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This is Blood Channel Radio.

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Welcome, gentle pioneers, to the lightning-laced airwaves.

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Today is Friday the 16th of January, and it is 4.05pm on the east coast of the United States at the time of recording.

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This is episode 146 of Plep Chain Radio, and we have a fun one in store.

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My guest today is Dion Wilson, a man who has left behind the glitz and glamour of Broadway for the guts and glory of Bitcoin.

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He's the founder of the newly created Bitcoin for the Arts initiative, and we will be talking all about that and much, much more.

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Don't miss our open music segment coming up in the show.

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will go to the artist

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and all the more reason folks

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that if you are listening to the show on Apple or Spotify

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but I would urge you to hit pause

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The third episode of my travel show, Finding Home, was released earlier this week

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and is now available for viewing on IndieHub.

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In this episode, I travel to Asuncion, Paraguay, where I spend a few days with Jan Kotas,

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a young Czech expat who has learned how to hack life

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and embody the sovereign way in the new frontier that is Paraguay.

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Lots of wine, lots of steak,

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I'm pretty sure this is a first-of-its-kind event,

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Tune in to the stream at 6 p.m. Eastern.

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and it will be available on any of your favorite live streaming NOSTA clients.

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I will also be airing a rerun at 2 p.m. Eastern, that's 1900, UTC this Sunday, January 18th,

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right after my Sunday brunch show.

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folks i was reflecting on the episode from last week when i read four essays from max hillebrand

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on the topic of the sovereign departure and then i spoke to a recently minted bitcoin a friend of

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mine who mentioned how none of his fiat friends for lack of a better term want to hear about his

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newfound obsession, namely Bitcoin. And that is the topic for today's sermon.

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Embrace the outsider in you. There is a moment in every quiet departure when you realize the door

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was never locked, only socially enchanted. You step through anyway, and suddenly you're standing

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in a new jurisdiction, one carried in your pocket, written in keys, not committees.

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There is no applause from the old world when this happens, however.

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Instead, it recoils.

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So if your orange pilling feels like it's failing, good.

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That is evidence.

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That is not failure.

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You have become an outsider, and outsiders don't get invited to defend their thesis at the banquet table.

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The legacy system survives on participation, not persuasion.

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When you stop asking permission and start building, you're withdrawing oxygen.

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It's not a debate anymore.

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And yes, the old world will reject you.

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Not because your arguments are weak, but because your existence is an indictment.

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Your calm is contagious.

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Your exit is heresy.

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So don't be surprised when the conversations get weird, when the room changes temperature,

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when the nice people suddenly sound like bureaucrats.

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The door is open, but not everyone wants to walk through it.

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which is why the mission is not to win the courtroom drama of dinner table politics.

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The mission is to build the parallel city and light it well.

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Be a beacon through your actions rather than through your words.

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And in that parallel city, art is infrastructure.

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music, film, theatre, painting, novels, posters, memes

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the strange little songs that make a movement feel like a home

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this is how a sovereign culture metabolizes truth

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without turning it into a pamphlet

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but art doesn't run on applause

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it runs on patrons

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So the builders with sats become the Medici of the protocol age.

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Don't just fund code, fund the chorus.

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Keep the candle lit and keep the artists fed.

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As Max Hillebrand said, the candle doesn't chase people through the room, it stays lit.

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And with that, it is time to bring on a man who hopes to light a million such candles.

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Dion Wilson, welcome to Pleb Chain Radio.

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Why, thank you, Avi. It is a pleasure to be here.

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Dion, you know, we've met a few times. You're in New York.

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Every time I visit, I'm not too far away.

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We've had a chance to chat a few times.

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And, you know, I'm actually looking forward to this conversation

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because I've only gotten snippets of your story

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through these fragmented conversations behind a pub key or some other place.

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But you are from Broadway and you've exited Broadway

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and you're now a full-time Bitcoin.

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Is that correct?

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That is correct.

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Yes.

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So we can go through the whole story if you like.

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Let's do it.

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All right.

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So from the top, I moved to New York back in the late 90s to go to college.

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I went to SUNY Purchase.

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Got a BFA in dance.

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From there, I started dancing with professional dance companies.

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I danced with a company in Philadelphia for a few years.

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I moved back to New York.

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I danced with a few dance companies in New York for about 10 years.

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And then I joined the national tour of Disney's The Lion King, where I stayed on the tour for about six years.

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So I've had pretty much from the time I was about 11 years old, fully engaged in the arts.

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Went to a performing arts high school was where I got my training.

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And that was my life.

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until it was time to retire when I got about 35 years of age.

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And, you know, for dancers, the transition is not usually a smooth process.

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Some of us have a really hard time to, you know, find out, figure out where we want to put our energy next.

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because, as you know, being an artist, it takes an overwhelming amount of dedication

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to the point where you're literally just focused heavily on your art

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if that is what you want to pursue as your full-time passion, which is exactly what I did.

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So coming out of the arts for me was definitely a little bit of a challenge.

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so the first thing I thought to do was because you know being a dancer is of a very physical

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nature your your artistry is your in your body is your instrument that you're using for your

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artistry so it's a very physical realm for me so a natural fit for me was to move into personal

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training because as a dancer you have to maintain a certain physique it's all about movement and

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being shaped and, you know, conditioning the body. So it was a natural fit for me to become

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a personal trainer, which is what I did after performing. Somewhere along that line, as I was

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trying to, you know, expand my business, I started learning more about how we operate,

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you know, as a country, our financial structure, the way businesses operate, as opposed to, you know,

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working for a nonprofit, going into corporate America, it's a different setup. And you start

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to learn that, okay, there are challenges that we face in the system, depending on how you are set

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up in the monetary system, your form of operation, your form of creating income, how you're spending

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your energy. And along that journey of learning, I found Bitcoin. And lo and behold, it was not an

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easy journey. As you all know, I'm sure everyone had the same story. I found Bitcoin around late

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2017. Didn't quite understand it. Number go up was what caught my attention. So later on in my

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journey, as I'm starting to delve into what is money, how does money really work and how we

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should all economize in our system. And you learn that, boy, there is a lot of deception.

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it. And as an artist, you come from a profession where, you know, being an artist, I was fortunate

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enough to work full time as an artist. But there are many artists, like a lot of my colleagues,

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who, you know, it's gig to gig. It's not full time. You're supplementing your income

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with different outlets and different jobs in order to sustain yourself.

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and you realize that it's really not that easy.

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So it takes a lot of tenacity.

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It takes a lot of discipline to even want to be an artist.

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So coming into Bitcoin, you learn that,

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boy, we spend a lot of energy creating but not preserving.

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The system that we live in is very detrimental to the artists and how we perceive and economize.

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Artists create, rebuild, and we want to preserve the things that we create.

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Well, I slowly begin to learn that that is not an option in the fiat system.

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It is not an option for an artist to create especially an artist who doesn have the outlet to create on a full term where they doing you know part time artistry working here working there So in order to really Home your craft and be the best artist you can be

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You need to be a part of a system that preserves your value.

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And understanding that Bitcoin gives an artist that option, it's pretty much a no-brainer on where artists need to be, on how we need to sustain ourselves, on what it takes to get the best of our work.

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and be in a position to sustain ourselves and not have to do 900 jobs so that you can spend

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one hour a day being a creator. So it has been a long journey for me, 15 years as a professional

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dancer, 10 years plus in the personal training space. And now I have arrived to really where I

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want to be in life. And that is a Bitcoiner creating culture on a Bitcoin standard, which is

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what artists need to be as successful as they can possibly be. And I consider myself to be

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fortunate and blessed to have come to Bitcoin in 2017, which is not the earliest, but it certainly

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isn't what we call late. No one is late at this point, but having a little bit of more insight.

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And now I am in a position where I can share that insight with the rest of the arts world,

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with all of my colleagues and the people that I know who are dedicated to their passion in the art,

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but don't necessarily have the resources to achieve the level of success that their talent

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will provide for them. So I felt a moral obligation to do something for the group of

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people that matter the most to me because I can relate to them wholeheartedly what it takes

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to be a successful artist. And now understanding that Bitcoin gives us the ability to spend more

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time and more energy being the best creators that we can possibly be, there is no second answer.

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If you are an artist, the Bitcoin standard is the only way for you to sustain yourself and propel yourself to the next level of your artistry.

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So that's pretty much my story in a nutshell.

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No, that's great, Dion.

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And there's a lot there.

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And, you know, this is a recurring theme on the show.

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I've had painters on.

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I've had several musicians on.

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And now, you know, someone from the theater world, such as yourself, Dionne.

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And it's always the same story, right?

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Look, we are craftsmen and craftswomen.

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We've spent our lives honing these skills.

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And then we have to become accountants and hedge fund managers and do a whole bunch of odd jobs on the side.

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Right.

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And then where does that leave us time with what we feel we were on this planet for, our purpose, which is creating this art?

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But before we get into all of that and how Bitcoin fixes this and what you're doing to fix this, I do want to go back to your Broadway days, Dion.

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So, you know, you're talking about dance.

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So I'm imagining these grand Broadway productions with these numbers and, you know, this entire troupe of dancers.

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Was that essentially what you were doing?

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You were part of one of those dancers in these grand Broadway productions.

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Yeah, exactly.

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That's exactly what I was doing.

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And for me, I was in the touring cast, which is a little more brutal than waking up and being in stationary and going to the same theater every day.

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You're going to the same theater for a period of time and then you're packing up your bags and you're going to the next city to do the same setup and the same thing again.

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So the schedule is a little more brutal.

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But that's essentially what I was doing.

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There's a large group of actors, dancers.

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We're living out of a suitcase.

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We're traveling place to place.

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And we're performing in usually the main opera house theater in most of the major metropolitan cities across America.

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and we play these theaters for like two to six weeks at a time and we go to the next city and so

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on and so on and there is no breaks we get you know a few days off holidays here or there

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but it's a it's a constant schedule it's not like uh sports where you have a down season you know

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it's all year long

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I can imagine it's physically demanding

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as well, right? I mean, it's not like

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you're just walking around, I mean, even

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if you're part of the, if it's a

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you know, non-musical, just

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an actual play and people walking

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around talking, even that's

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especially if you're touring

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it's a whole different

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ball game there

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yeah it's extremely you know it's it's a lot and then you have the fact that we get injured

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so you have injuries that happen just like uh any you know basketball football player

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so when that happens sometimes you you might have to do your role plus somebody else's role right

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so now we have to fill in for each other we have the cover role so it's it's there is not

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essentially a bitch, but what we call we have multiple casts. So like, let's say there is a

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particular ballet, we call them, that is 20 to 30 minutes, and it's maybe 10 dancers in that ballet.

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Well, we may have 20 dancers in the company. So we have 10 in that cast, and then the other 10

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are going to learn it just in case they may have to fill in, or we'll rotate the cast. So we have

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more than one cast or you have more than one person learn a particular role.

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So that way you always have a backup or we can switch out the roles and give

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someone a break.

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So that's pretty much what every role, because, you know,

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there's the saying that the show must go on.

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So we have to cover everything to make sure the show goes on.

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Was New York home base?

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Yes, New York was home base.

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For the production company as well.

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Yes, New York was home base.

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So, you know, we live out of the road.

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You come back to New York every two or three months.

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We come back.

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We rehearse here in studio.

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So we're here for a few months.

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You rehearse for maybe a month or two, depending on the schedule.

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It changes a little bit.

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And then you're back on the road.

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What were some of the big plays?

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Oh, sorry, big productions that you were involved in?

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So for me, I was in the Broadway, the touring cast of Disney's The Lion King.

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And that right now is the largest touring Broadway production ever.

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It's a pretty big show.

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A lot of moving parts.

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Significant cast size.

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And it's a lot of people involved.

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So you have your stage crew that's in charge of setting up this production, obviously.

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setting up the set, lights, making sure everything works.

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You have costumes, wardrobe department that's in charge of that,

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making sure that we've got everything that we need to be on the stage.

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You have your hair and makeup department.

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You have your musicians.

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All the shows are orchestrated live.

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And then you have your actors.

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And we all classify the singers, dancers, actors as all as actors.

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So it's large moving productions with different parts and everybody's got a role to play.

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And another thing that happens is that they're all different unions.

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So sometimes that can make things a little convoluted when you have different unions that all have different rules working together at the same time.

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Everybody's got to get a break at a certain time and your break might not be aligned with the musician's break.

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The musician's break might not be aligned with the stage crew's break.

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How does anything get done?

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Believe it or not, it still gets done.

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One way or another, it does get done.

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I thought, and maybe this is a film thing,

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I thought they were called guilds.

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Do you have that in theaters?

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Yes.

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There is the, which I was a part of as well,

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the American Guild of Musical Artists.

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They represent most of the orchestras that you see around the country and a lot of the dance companies that you see and a lot of the smaller theater companies.

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They all are a part of the American Gail Musical Artists.

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And you have a few unions.

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And then for Broadway, you have what they call the Actors' Equity Association.

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So that is for the Broadway actors.

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That is the union that represents them.

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And then for television, you have the Screen Actors Guild that represents the television actors.

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And they also combine that with AFRA, which represents the television actors.

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So you have the movies, television union, you have the Broadway theater union,

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and then you have your regional production companies, shows, theater, dance, musical orchestras, a part of the other union.

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And despite all of this, somehow magic happens.

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And somehow magic happens. Yes. Somehow magic happens because artists are creators. Right.

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And everybody wants to perform and showcase their talent. So we make it happen, you know.

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And once it's usually the initial process, the, you know, the beginning, building the foundation for each production.

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Once the productions are up and running, everything is set.

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Now it's just a matter of maintaining the schedule.

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Everybody show up at the right time, do your part, and the show goes on.

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Yeah, I can just – that is something.

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You know, Dionne, I was in the city between Christmas and New Year,

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and one of the things I did with family – actually, it was on New Year's Eve.

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was we went to the Joyce Theater in Chelsea.

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And do you know Moses Pendleton?

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Is the name familiar?

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I know the name.

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I haven't met him.

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So Moses Pendleton created this theater.

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I guess it's more of an acrobatic dance group called Momix.

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Yes, I know Momix.

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Okay, yeah.

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So Moses Pendleton is the creative director.

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and I guess the creator of it.

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So they were doing their take on Alice in Wonderland.

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It was just called Momix Alice.

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And it's very, very loosely based on Alice in Wonderland.

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And it was just remarkable witnessing that.

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Because this is sort of almost a circus level of physical feats,

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but with a very surreal take on Alice in Wonderland

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set to some incredible music.

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Really inspiring, honestly.

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I mean, this is the beauty of art, right?

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You never know.

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Like you could be walking through the Met

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and you stop in the Monet section

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and you just dissolve into those paintings

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for about an hour

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and you come out with this incredible inspiration.

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Or you go to, like what happened to me,

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I went in some Alice and just looking at that level of coordination and how, you know, all of these people came together to pull off this incredible work of art, truly inspiring.

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And, you know, that is for me the importance of having art, right?

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It's, you know, a lot of people, especially technical people say art is a waste of time.

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But I think it just it has this incredible ability to inspire people.

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And that why I think it critically important that it preserved Absolutely Art is all about inspiration The artists are inspired by something to create it

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And hopefully the viewer, reader, the watcher, they're all inspired by what they've just witnessed.

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And that is where we get culture. That is how we create our culture.

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we as the people

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we learn from each other

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we inspire each other

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and we create

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from our inspirations

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and that is exactly what makes art

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and that is what makes our culture

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and that is what makes us unique

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that is what makes us individuals

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that is what makes the world go around

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and we need that

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because it provides us

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with the ability

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to feel like we are a part of something or that we can be inspired to create something.

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We feel like we can contribute.

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Everybody wants to contribute in some way and feel that their contribution was important

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enough for at least one other person.

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And that's what it means to be an artist, is to inspire, to create.

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Artists are agents of change.

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We want to recreate the world that we want to see.

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Dion, on that point, let's just talk about the trajectory art has taken over the last few decades.

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I was maybe three or four years ago.

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I was at the Guggenheim with my family.

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and it was so bad they had they had a massive installation result it was all contemporary art

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and i walked out being the opposite of inspired because it was so nihilistic

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right uh and it felt to me at the time like this is this has got to be the late or final stage of

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fiat culture right it's it's people's spirits have been crushed and they're creating these

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horrible grotesque things that are not meant to inspire uh as what one would expect from from art

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as you know like like i mentioned monet paintings right they're just your your soul wants to fly

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when you're you spend some time looking at a money or music that you like or good theater

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whatever it is right and and art seemed to have taken this trajectory um where it became increasingly

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nihilistic over the last few decades, almost certainly a symptom of the Fiat disease.

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Did you notice that with theater as well, that sort of decline?

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Absolutely.

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This is all a part of my inspiration, Avi.

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I have literally watched in the last year alone so many stories and articles and people

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that I know who have been impacted by this fiat catastrophe. Artists are not being funded.

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Artists are losing funding. And in return, like you just said, artists are creating work that

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did not require a lot of time and innovation and creativity. And that's because they're

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creating on a fiat standard. And I've had this conversation before. Fiat does not allow for

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long-term creation because it is a system that inflates your value away. So time is of the

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essence on a fiat standard when it comes to being an artist. You can see it in the culture. You can

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see it all around as you can see it in the architect.

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We're now building homes with 3D printers.

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That's not art.

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You know, we so this is what

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Fiat has done to us. The architecture that

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we took years and struck the first civilization in

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Egypt is a beautiful art canvas that

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It took centuries to build. And now we want to build it with a printer.

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So this goes to show you what fiat has done to our society.

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And the sad part is we don't quite understand what's happening.

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A lot of us see it, but they can't pinpoint what it is.

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they're looking to the left they're looking to the right but no one is looking at the system

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itself and how it's designed it is designed in a way where our value has no choice

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but to evaporate to be taken away from us there is no correct answer in this system

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yeah and you know and this is kind of the reason why i was so pleasantly surprised by the by the

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momix production because in in the midst of all this nihilism you see something beautiful you're

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like is this happening is there is there a chance of a revival i don't think they're on a bitcoin

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standard dion so i don't know if that's what's maybe it's not on a bitcoin standard

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but let's talk about new york uh for a bit because you know just the decline and revival and so on

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that topic. And New York really

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is the

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or one of the, if not the, seat of

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art and culture in the world.

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Certainly the country, but probably the

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world as well, right? Especially in the

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last 50 to 100

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years.

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Every artist that

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considers himself an

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artist wants

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to experience what art is like in

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New York City. Every

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artist wants to

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be on display, on showcase, on a stage in New York City.

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Every artist wants to propel themselves to the top in the mecca of the arts capital.

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But unfortunately, the system that we're in is destroying it.

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the artists in new york 60 of artists in new york live below the poverty line

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that is a catastrophe wow living we already know that new york is one of the most expensive cities

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to live in in the world in general so imagine being an artist not working full-time as an artist

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and trying to survive in New York City,

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it's not easy.

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It's not for the faint of heart.

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You know, in order to be an artist,

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you also have to have courage.

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You know, artists have to be brave souls.

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You have to really step out.

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You're stepping out and you're taking a serious chance

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with your survival.

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Because your art, your passion for what you do

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Is that great that you're willing to sacrifice almost everything?

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And when I say almost everything, I literally mean almost everything, because I know artists that have lost relationships with their families, with their friends, because they have distanced themselves and isolated themselves in spaces where they could just hone in on their craft.

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At the expense of everything else that matters to them.

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so being an artist it really you know it it takes a lot and bitcoin can really help us

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but you know on on the topic of new york itself i talked about this all a few months back that

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new york almost has this 40 30 to 40 year difficulty adjustment type thing built into it where

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you know you have a boom and uh usually driven by artists right because they build up the culture

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then and things get better and then your money starts coming in you have all the yuppies from

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new jersey usually that's what happens they move in they they price everyone out uh the artist can't

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afford it anymore and and then for you know whatever happened for whatever reason there's a

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bust, the rents crash, and then the artists can move back in.

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But, you know, these cycles take 30 to 40 years to play out almost like it's kind of

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akin to Bitcoin's difficulty adjustment, right?

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If there's too much hash rate, then the difficulty ramps up.

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If the hash rate drops off, then the difficulty drops.

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But, you know, I've actually been pleasantly surprised, I have to say, Dion, with New York

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in the last six to eight months, maybe even one year.

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Because I thought the crash was coming, right?

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It was after the pandemic.

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This is it.

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This is, you know, the city is going to hit rock bottom

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and then it's going to bounce back up.

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But that rock bottom never seemed to come.

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And, you know, the city seems reasonably safe, honestly.

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And, you know, I was able to experience some good art

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and theater and all of that.

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But I don't know if that's just a lull before the storm.

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What do you think now there's a new administration in the city with some very interesting views, let's just say, on how to fix some of the problems in the city.

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Do you see a resurgence anytime soon or is there this slow, inexorable decline to rock bottom and then we move back?

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I mean, that is such a good question and such a hard question to answer.

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Because, like, I really believe that we are in the quiet before the storm.

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And I'll tell you why.

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The reason that we don't have a lot of the violence or, you know, crime rate seems to be down is because we are becoming a sick, ill society.

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and it's hard to be violent

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and enraged when you're sick.

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You can't be both at the same time.

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What I'm noticing is that

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there's a rise in mental health issues.

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There's a rise in the homeless population.

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We all know there's a rise in the unemployment levels.

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so we've become a sick nation too weak for even violence

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this fiat is eroding us

458
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but at some point people will break right at some point people will break when they come to the

459
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,420
point where it's now about, do I have anything to eat

460
00:39:29,420 --> 00:39:32,240
today? That's when we get the other side.

461
00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:36,820
That's when we get the civil chaos.

462
00:39:38,060 --> 00:39:39,980
And hopefully we won't get there.

463
00:39:41,460 --> 00:39:45,200
Hopefully the decision makers that have been

464
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,340
recently elected will start making better decisions

465
00:39:49,340 --> 00:39:53,500
and looking at the results of the past

466
00:39:53,500 --> 00:40:00,080
decisions, because I think that's one of the biggest problems that we have in our state

467
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:07,780
operations is that there's not enough research on the past decisions and the outcomes of the

468
00:40:07,780 --> 00:40:08,700
past decisions.

469
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:16,140
We focus heavily on what to do next, but we never look back and say, well, what was the

470
00:40:16,140 --> 00:40:17,760
outcome of the last decision?

471
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,160
And I think that is something that we've got to start doing more of.

472
00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:29,920
because, yeah, like you said, we have not hit the bottom.

473
00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:32,320
There is definitely hope.

474
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,120
You see it.

475
00:40:34,420 --> 00:40:35,420
Artists are resilient.

476
00:40:35,420 --> 00:40:40,080
One thing about artists is that it's hard to know if we're at rock bottom anyway

477
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,260
because artists are very good at pretending.

478
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:49,840
That's kind of second nature to their industry.

479
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:58,140
so sometimes it's very hard to tell what the real underlying truth might be

480
00:40:58,140 --> 00:41:06,980
but at some point it will show itself so i don't know when that time will be like you said we're

481
00:41:06,980 --> 00:41:13,040
doing some smooth sailing right now we're hiding a lot of bruises and a lot of bumps and we're

482
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:19,600
keeping the train moving but i don't know i feel like there's a possibility we could jump the track

483
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:20,500
sooner than later.

484
00:41:22,020 --> 00:41:23,520
And when we jump the track, you know,

485
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:24,460
go ahead.

486
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:25,680
No, no.

487
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,160
We won't see it coming.

488
00:41:29,220 --> 00:41:29,380
Yeah.

489
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:30,500
Yeah.

490
00:41:30,740 --> 00:41:33,540
You know, I have this fantasy,

491
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:47,550
and maybe it not a fantasy Dion Maybe this will become reality in the next few years that there will be a cultural revival driven by Bitcoin and Harlem will be the epicenter of it

492
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:52,070
Because it feels like anywhere downtown,

493
00:41:52,070 --> 00:41:55,850
whether it's the West Village, East Village, Lower East Side,

494
00:41:56,690 --> 00:41:59,690
Tribeca, all of these, Chelsea, whatever it is, right?

495
00:41:59,690 --> 00:42:07,070
Soho, which you would associate with, I guess, cultural movements.

496
00:42:07,530 --> 00:42:08,830
They seem a bit saturated.

497
00:42:09,410 --> 00:42:11,870
And I think it's time for Harlem to have that moment.

498
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:12,790
I mean, what is it?

499
00:42:12,810 --> 00:42:16,710
It's been about 100 years since the last major country.

500
00:42:17,710 --> 00:42:19,950
Yes, I agree.

501
00:42:20,090 --> 00:42:22,750
I can see that happening in Harlem as well,

502
00:42:23,310 --> 00:42:27,610
because Harlem has definitely become a very diverse community,

503
00:42:27,610 --> 00:42:32,530
as it was previously, you know, many, many, many, many, many, many years ago.

504
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:34,610
And now it's coming back.

505
00:42:34,670 --> 00:42:38,610
And you can see there's a lot of different culture happening in Harlem.

506
00:42:39,290 --> 00:42:42,990
And it's a very trending neighborhood.

507
00:42:42,990 --> 00:42:51,410
So, yes, it would be wonderful to see the arts renaissance come back and happen in Harlem.

508
00:42:53,090 --> 00:42:57,490
But I think it's going to happen on the Bitcoin standard.

509
00:42:57,610 --> 00:43:07,990
I believe Bitcoin isn't going to lead the way because we're using, obviously, a sound money to create sound culture.

510
00:43:08,730 --> 00:43:11,230
And that's what we have to show the world.

511
00:43:12,450 --> 00:43:16,950
Artists have to show the world how to move forward.

512
00:43:18,050 --> 00:43:20,810
We have to show them the best way to move forward.

513
00:43:20,810 --> 00:43:26,910
It is up to the world of art to create the culture, to inspire the people.

514
00:43:28,330 --> 00:43:30,290
It's not the politicians.

515
00:43:31,370 --> 00:43:34,990
Politicians are supposed to represent our interests.

516
00:43:35,550 --> 00:43:38,130
Well, the artists are here to create our interests.

517
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:43,450
And we have to represent that.

518
00:43:43,570 --> 00:43:44,410
We have to show it.

519
00:43:44,410 --> 00:43:54,330
We have to give that to the people so the people will be inspired and know that Bitcoin gives us an opportunity and a way to preserve ourselves.

520
00:43:55,250 --> 00:43:59,130
We don't understand the significance of having preservation.

521
00:43:59,990 --> 00:44:03,770
And artists will allow us to do that because we love artwork.

522
00:44:04,270 --> 00:44:05,110
We love art.

523
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:06,350
We love old artwork.

524
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:08,590
We love classic work.

525
00:44:09,070 --> 00:44:10,790
What makes a word classic?

526
00:44:11,470 --> 00:44:13,050
The ability to preserve.

527
00:44:13,050 --> 00:44:30,450
And how do we get the ability to preserve? We have to have a sound culture and a sound system to allow that type of behavior. Right now, we are losing our ability to preserve. We won't have any classics.

528
00:44:30,450 --> 00:44:36,090
but Bitcoin gives us that potential to bring that back

529
00:44:36,090 --> 00:44:38,550
to create the next renaissance in art

530
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:42,550
and this is where my inspiration

531
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:45,450
for the Bitcoin for the art comes in

532
00:44:45,450 --> 00:44:48,890
Let's talk about that Dion

533
00:44:48,890 --> 00:44:51,050
I was actually going to get to that as well

534
00:44:51,050 --> 00:44:57,370
Let's talk about what was the driving force behind it

535
00:44:57,370 --> 00:44:59,730
where Bitcoin for the Arts,

536
00:44:59,850 --> 00:45:01,470
well, what is Bitcoin for the Arts

537
00:45:01,470 --> 00:45:03,370
and then where it stands today

538
00:45:03,370 --> 00:45:04,670
and what are your plans for it

539
00:45:04,670 --> 00:45:06,010
or this year?

540
00:45:07,130 --> 00:45:08,970
So as of right now,

541
00:45:09,070 --> 00:45:10,170
Bitcoin for the Arts

542
00:45:10,170 --> 00:45:13,910
is a pending 501c3

543
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:16,810
that is going to support artists,

544
00:45:17,630 --> 00:45:18,710
arts institutions

545
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:20,550
and nonprofits alike

546
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:23,610
with micro grants

547
00:45:23,610 --> 00:45:24,690
as of now

548
00:45:24,690 --> 00:45:26,870
with Bitcoin.

549
00:45:27,370 --> 00:45:35,830
What we want to do is create the next renaissance in art on the Bitcoin standard.

550
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:38,290
What is our vision?

551
00:45:38,830 --> 00:45:47,870
To replace and be the national endowment for the arts on the Bitcoin standard.

552
00:45:47,870 --> 00:46:17,850
The way we are going to structure this organization will allow us to eventually be able to self-supplement our artists and allow us to continue to create from previous preserved funding that does not lose value over time.

553
00:46:17,870 --> 00:46:35,870
We are starting as a domestic U.S.-based company, but we want to be completely aligned with Bitcoin on a global standard to eventually support artists around the globe using Bitcoin.

554
00:46:35,870 --> 00:46:58,770
Because Bitcoin gives us the ability to transact and interact and inspire peer to peer on a global scale without any intermediaries, without any third parties, without any agencies in the middle of the artists and the patron.

555
00:47:00,330 --> 00:47:04,090
So that is what Bitcoin for the Arts will represent.

556
00:47:04,090 --> 00:47:28,010
My inspiration comes purely from me being a passionate artist and understanding the overwhelming amount of energy, time, creativity, passion, discipline it takes to make it as an artist.

557
00:47:28,010 --> 00:47:40,570
and then understanding the landscape of the economy, of the ecosystem that the artists have to deal with when we go out into the world and how people treat artists.

558
00:47:40,570 --> 00:47:58,870
Artists are the most exploited group of people on this planet, constantly being taken advantage of, constantly losing value, never truly owning their own creations.

559
00:47:58,870 --> 00:48:21,030
I mean, I can't tell you what it feels like, but for the general population, if you're not an artist, can I tell you what it feels like to be passionate and take your time and energy to create something only for someone else to be in charge of it?

560
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:27,250
I mean, that is like the bottom of the pit for an artist.

561
00:48:27,950 --> 00:48:32,790
And still we rise, still we fight, still we go on to create the next creation.

562
00:48:33,570 --> 00:48:43,630
Well, Bitcoin is going to allow us to take control over the things that we create for us to be in possession of those things,

563
00:48:43,630 --> 00:48:51,410
To not have to sell our souls in order to survive because we now have the ability to preserve.

564
00:48:52,110 --> 00:48:57,630
I can create this piece of work and I can take my time and I can work on it.

565
00:48:57,890 --> 00:49:07,010
I can make it better. I can modify it because I have time to use my energy and to use my thoughts to create the best thing possible.

566
00:49:07,570 --> 00:49:10,270
That's what Bitcoin is going to allow us to do.

567
00:49:10,270 --> 00:49:19,270
And I also want to use this organization to help artists understand how to survive economically.

568
00:49:20,490 --> 00:49:24,530
Artists, we spend so much time working on our craft.

569
00:49:25,090 --> 00:49:28,490
90% of artists are financially illiterate.

570
00:49:28,970 --> 00:49:33,170
It is another reason why artists are highly taken advantage of.

571
00:49:33,370 --> 00:49:39,530
Because they're so passionate about their work that they literally sell their souls.

572
00:49:39,530 --> 00:49:43,490
They give up everything just to have their work shown.

573
00:49:44,910 --> 00:50:02,910
Bitcoin gives us the ability to not have to understand all of the languages, all of the characters, all of the nuances, all of the strategies, all of these different conglomerate things that they put together in the fiat structured economy.

574
00:50:03,770 --> 00:50:06,390
We can avoid all of that.

575
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:14,490
We can preserve our value, focus our energy on our creations, which is already what we're doing.

576
00:50:14,750 --> 00:50:20,350
But at the same time, be economically savvy. That is what I want to do.

577
00:50:20,610 --> 00:50:23,710
That is what I want to teach artists how to do.

578
00:50:24,270 --> 00:50:32,770
So one of the main things that we want to do in addition to providing artists with grants is we want to educate artists on why Bitcoin.

579
00:50:32,770 --> 00:50:42,130
We have an exception in our website dedicated to why Bitcoin, because artists really need to understand.

580
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:45,710
Because once they understand.

581
00:50:46,590 --> 00:50:47,550
There will be.

582
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:51,090
No excuses, no exceptions.

583
00:50:51,770 --> 00:50:57,230
You understand that in order for you to do the best work you want to do, you're going to have to be on a Bitcoin standard.

584
00:50:59,270 --> 00:51:00,870
So this is where we are.

585
00:51:00,870 --> 00:51:23,470
This is why we need Bitcoin for the arts on a global scale to publicly get the message of what Bitcoin is, why Bitcoin matters, and allow Bitcoin to create the next renaissance in art on sound money and a sound culture.

586
00:51:23,950 --> 00:51:25,630
That's what we're here to do.

587
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:28,030
I love that, Dion.

588
00:51:28,250 --> 00:51:29,750
And I think this is much needed.

589
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:40,990
So let's talk about, you mentioned you want this to be the next or eventually evolve into the next endowment, national endowment for the arts.

590
00:51:41,330 --> 00:51:44,350
But it needs to start somewhere, right?

591
00:51:44,530 --> 00:51:45,550
It needs to start somewhere.

592
00:51:46,610 --> 00:51:53,050
And we'll talk about the mechanism for funding and we can make a concrete example.

593
00:51:53,050 --> 00:51:59,970
But before we even get to that, have you talked to people, potential patrons?

594
00:52:00,190 --> 00:52:04,610
In the sermon, I talked about the Medici of this era need to step forth.

595
00:52:05,490 --> 00:52:10,510
Are there people stepping forward saying we want to be part of this revolution, this renaissance?

596
00:52:11,170 --> 00:52:14,630
We will contribute to this endowment?

597
00:52:16,370 --> 00:52:20,370
As of right now, I have a lot of artists who are highly interested.

598
00:52:20,370 --> 00:52:22,950
Obviously, artists, you know, they want to be funded.

599
00:52:23,770 --> 00:52:28,690
But what I focused on in the last month, Avi, is really building the structure.

600
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:38,490
So now we are at a point now where I want to really fully engage those patrons who can help us get to that standard.

601
00:52:39,730 --> 00:52:46,750
Now we are ready to fully engage those patrons to help them understand what artists need.

602
00:52:47,710 --> 00:52:49,690
The artists have already been coming.

603
00:52:49,690 --> 00:53:04,510
They've seen the message. They know we're here. They're asking questions. They want to know when. They want to know how long do they have to wait. They're highly excited. They got ideas. They want to fund. They want to put on showcases.

604
00:53:04,510 --> 00:53:12,370
We've got tons of ideas for Artist Bitcoin Night, for Artist Education Seminars, for Teaching Youth.

605
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:20,490
So that is in place. But what we do not have is those patrons that we really, really need.

606
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:24,810
To help us get to that level that we want to get to.

607
00:53:24,810 --> 00:53:42,750
And I need these patrons to really understand that what we are offering is the only inflation proof, censorship resistant funding pipeline for culture that has ever existed.

608
00:53:44,270 --> 00:53:49,370
We would love you, patronage, but we don't want you to think of us as a charity.

609
00:53:49,370 --> 00:53:57,310
we want you to think of us as the way forward to creating the next renaissance and we want you to

610
00:53:57,310 --> 00:54:07,490
be a part of that this is what we need no that makes complete sense right it's uh and and you

611
00:54:07,490 --> 00:54:12,870
know for most people who understand this who get this idea it's then it's not about the return on

612
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:18,770
investment certainly not right if they have that medici mindset especially it's about creating and

613
00:54:18,770 --> 00:54:24,070
shaping the culture and their legacy enduring as well in the process.

614
00:54:24,550 --> 00:54:32,250
So, yes, you're creating a lifetime legacy because you're funding art that will outlive us all.

615
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:36,410
And your name will be there as a representative of it.

616
00:54:37,890 --> 00:54:38,830
Yeah, absolutely.

617
00:54:39,330 --> 00:54:45,150
So are you looking primarily at Bitcoiners who will get it immediately, right?

618
00:54:45,150 --> 00:54:51,230
If someone's a Bitcoiner and they're in a position to be a patron, they'll understand this and they'll be willing to step forward.

619
00:54:51,650 --> 00:55:00,570
Or are you looking to talk to general art patrons and tell them the Bitcoin story and make them understand that this is the only way forward?

620
00:55:01,890 --> 00:55:04,550
I'm looking for all artists.

621
00:55:05,630 --> 00:55:06,970
We want all artists.

622
00:55:06,970 --> 00:55:16,030
The Bitcoin artists are our prime examples of what it could be like on a Bitcoin standard for artists.

623
00:55:16,530 --> 00:55:27,370
So we want to partner with the artists who have found Bitcoin and use them to highlight for the other artists who have not found Bitcoin,

624
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:33,210
which is the majority of the arts world, and help them understand how.

625
00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:37,840
how Bitcoin can better serve them and what they do.

626
00:55:38,340 --> 00:55:43,060
So we're going to use and help our Bitcoin artists,

627
00:55:43,500 --> 00:55:47,600
but we want our Bitcoin artists to help us expand the horizon.

628
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:53,640
Well, Dion, my question, and that makes complete sense as well.

629
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,900
What I was trying to get at is more on the patron side, right?

630
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:01,100
There are people on Bitcoiners with deep pockets

631
00:56:01,100 --> 00:56:03,220
who will understand the vision, right?

632
00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:04,520
once it's presented to them.

633
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:06,560
And they might be willing to,

634
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:08,660
I think they'll be happy to contribute.

635
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,700
I suspect some of them listen to the show as well.

636
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,400
But so is that your, for patronage,

637
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:20,920
are you looking for folks like those Bitcoiners to participate?

638
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,780
Or are you looking at maybe people

639
00:56:23,780 --> 00:56:26,220
in the broader art patronage world

640
00:56:26,220 --> 00:56:27,900
who might not be familiar with Bitcoin,

641
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,540
but you can then sell them the vision of patronage

642
00:56:31,540 --> 00:56:32,760
on a Bitcoin standard.

643
00:56:33,240 --> 00:56:36,520
and how that is the only way forward, and try to get them into the fold.

644
00:56:37,660 --> 00:56:40,280
My goal, Avi, is to meet everyone where they are.

645
00:56:41,140 --> 00:56:42,780
I love my Bitcoiners.

646
00:56:43,380 --> 00:56:46,080
I'm looking to you for support right off the top.

647
00:56:47,460 --> 00:56:52,480
And then we need to branch off into our fiat lovers

648
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:56,300
and help them understand, we will take your fiat.

649
00:56:56,740 --> 00:56:59,540
I'm not going to tell people that fiat is not usable.

650
00:56:59,540 --> 00:57:03,080
It certainly is usable because I can use fiat to buy Bitcoin.

651
00:57:03,240 --> 00:57:11,320
So we love you to donate in whatever form suits you best.

652
00:57:13,260 --> 00:57:16,300
Bitcoiners, please lead the way.

653
00:57:17,220 --> 00:57:26,660
Help us get influence, the fiat patrons who are patrons of the art but have never used Bitcoin.

654
00:57:26,660 --> 00:57:31,280
Obviously those are probably the biggest art supporters

655
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,300
So we definitely want those people

656
00:57:34,300 --> 00:57:37,660
But what I'm looking for is to

657
00:57:37,660 --> 00:57:41,300
Support from the Bitcoin community

658
00:57:41,300 --> 00:57:44,060
Financial support

659
00:57:44,060 --> 00:57:48,420
And examples of what it's like

660
00:57:48,420 --> 00:57:51,260
We need to lead by example

661
00:57:51,260 --> 00:57:53,920
I'm looking for Bitcoiners to lead by example

662
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:58,400
to show the FI community what it would be like

663
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,320
to donate to art on a Bitcoin standard.

664
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:08,200
Your donations are not only transparent

665
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:09,460
because now they're on Bitcoin,

666
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,900
but we're going to make it so that you can see

667
00:58:11,900 --> 00:58:13,500
exactly what you're funding.

668
00:58:15,060 --> 00:58:17,920
And your value is being preserved.

669
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,600
It's not a project that you funded

670
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:28,320
for, you know, a 15 minute showcase that you've never seen, you never heard of, you don't know

671
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:34,100
exactly where the money went, you know, you just heard about something. Now we're going to give you

672
00:58:34,100 --> 00:58:45,480
access to our donation wallet. We want our patrons to see exactly what their funding is going towards

673
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:52,680
so that maybe they will be inspired to give more because now they can actually see

674
00:58:52,680 --> 00:59:02,380
how they're helping, how they are helping build this culture and create the change agents that

675
00:59:02,380 --> 00:59:12,000
we need to get us to a Bitcoin standard. You know, we want to change the entire landscape of

676
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:23,340
donating. So it's not just a tax write-off, but it is an idea that you are supporting,

677
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:31,640
that you can witness, that you can actually see building. You can see it being created.

678
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:41,840
You can go back to it later. It's there. The value has been preserved. It was not done in a quick

679
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:48,940
in a hurry timeframe because if we didn't get it done now, the funding is going to dry up and it's

680
00:59:48,940 --> 00:59:55,740
not going to be worth as much. No, we're going to keep the value. So that gives us the ability

681
00:59:55,740 --> 01:00:04,240
to make it really worth something. So add a lot of quality and density into what we're doing.

682
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:18,220
So we want to be the transparent organization that you can see your funding building, creating everlasting projects and work.

683
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:30,580
From Bitcoiners, from the fiat patrons, from the, you know, met season ticket holders who've never dialed into Bitcoin.

684
01:00:30,580 --> 01:00:46,720
Well, we want to invite you to an artist Bitcoin night featuring an artist who's already found Bitcoin and allow them to share their story with you on how Bitcoin has sustained them and changed their life.

685
01:00:47,740 --> 01:00:53,840
And then allow these patrons to slowly begin to understand that we love art.

686
01:00:54,420 --> 01:00:59,180
But are we supporting art in the best way we can possibly support artists?

687
01:00:59,180 --> 01:01:12,160
Once they understand that there is a better way for them to contribute to the artists that work that they've already been doing, man, I think we've got the golden ticket.

688
01:01:14,220 --> 01:01:16,240
Yeah, that sounds like it.

689
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:24,880
Dion, we're just a little over the hour mark, and I think this is a good time for our Value for Value music segment.

690
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:35,160
And, you know, we've been talking about some of the absurdity that arises because of fiat in the art world.

691
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,660
I mean, just in the broader culture, even.

692
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:43,760
And then sometimes you find a track that just captures it, right?

693
01:01:43,940 --> 01:01:46,420
Captures the absurdity of the timeline we're living in.

694
01:01:46,860 --> 01:01:53,860
This song, which I'm about to play, is certainly not rock and is decidedly not pop.

695
01:01:53,860 --> 01:01:55,840
it's something else entirely

696
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:57,540
it's theatrical

697
01:01:57,540 --> 01:01:58,960
it's dissonant

698
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,840
and it's called Nonsensical

699
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,500
by Frankie Peroni

700
01:02:04,500 --> 01:02:06,240
open your mind

701
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:06,940
for this one

702
01:02:06,940 --> 01:02:09,060
it's about to get weird

703
01:02:23,860 --> 01:02:43,740
Waiting for the oxymoron man

704
01:02:43,740 --> 01:02:49,680
Arriving in his paper machine van

705
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:55,840
Holding on to handles made of sand

706
01:02:55,840 --> 01:03:01,680
While eating Marmite monkeys from a can

707
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:07,800
The Sherpard Bon Bon Jelly Baby wore

708
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:13,240
A multi-coloured biscuit dinosaur

709
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:18,240
Standing in high

710
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,180
Waiting in time

711
01:03:21,180 --> 01:03:25,920
Watching champagne penguins drinking wine

712
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:29,980
Outside in

713
01:03:29,980 --> 01:03:32,800
The ending now begins

714
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,400
A camel urine cocktail

715
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,020
Predominantly gin

716
01:03:39,020 --> 01:03:44,380
Oh, I'm being home

717
01:03:44,380 --> 01:03:50,320
Sensified, beyond control

718
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:59,120
CNC wood

719
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:29,100
MUSIC PLAYS

720
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:30,320
I'm not a nut.

721
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:34,760
An every vicious educator grant.

722
01:04:36,900 --> 01:04:40,480
The alligator's graduation day.

723
01:04:40,500 --> 01:04:42,360
Congratulations, sir.

724
01:04:42,900 --> 01:04:45,940
The custom bacon sandwich hat.

725
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:47,780
You're a scullo.

726
01:04:48,540 --> 01:04:54,260
Standing around, waiting in time.

727
01:04:54,260 --> 01:05:12,022
Watching campaign penguins drinking cream I sign in The ending of me I can Stinking coin outside in in in out we go A camel a wine cocktail predominantly chin

728
01:05:13,082 --> 01:05:22,662
Oh, I'm being alone, satisfied, behind control.

729
01:05:22,662 --> 01:05:28,122
I'm not sensitive

730
01:05:52,662 --> 01:06:03,222
Standing in line, waiting in time

731
01:06:03,222 --> 01:06:09,102
Watching champagne penguins drinking wine

732
01:06:09,102 --> 01:06:14,862
Outside in, the ending of the game

733
01:06:14,862 --> 01:06:21,022
A camelline cocktail, predominantly gin

734
01:06:21,022 --> 01:06:25,862
Oh, I'm being alone

735
01:06:25,862 --> 01:06:29,242
Satisfied

736
01:06:29,242 --> 01:06:32,622
Beyond your joy

737
01:06:32,622 --> 01:06:37,762
Nonsense to you

738
01:06:51,022 --> 01:07:21,002
guitar solo

739
01:07:21,022 --> 01:07:40,182
That was Nonsensical by Frankie Peroni.

740
01:07:40,182 --> 01:07:48,802
if David Bowie and the Cardiacs grudgingly got together to compose a background score for a

741
01:07:48,802 --> 01:07:58,742
torture scene in a David Lynch movie in 1989 this is what it would have sounded like and I mean that

742
01:07:58,742 --> 01:08:06,922
as the highest possible compliment it sounds like 1989 it sounds like a fever dream it's bold

743
01:08:06,922 --> 01:08:14,442
artistic choices like that, the willingness to be jarring that I love about this open music

744
01:08:14,442 --> 01:08:24,322
ecosystem. No algorithm would ever recommend that to you, but a human curator would. I've got 90%

745
01:08:24,322 --> 01:08:32,642
splits set up for the song. If you enjoyed that trip into the surreal, hit that rewind button by

746
01:08:32,642 --> 01:08:42,102
a minute or two and send Frankie a big fat boost. Dion, what did you think of that?

747
01:08:43,102 --> 01:08:51,322
I actually loved it. I honestly have to say, you know, as a dancer, immediately,

748
01:08:51,322 --> 01:08:58,682
when you hear those single chords right off the top, the boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,

749
01:08:58,682 --> 01:09:01,062
you almost start choreographing.

750
01:09:01,102 --> 01:09:02,742
I start choreographing right away in my head.

751
01:09:03,942 --> 01:09:06,142
So this is what I mean about being an artist.

752
01:09:06,262 --> 01:09:07,502
Artists inspire each other.

753
01:09:08,062 --> 01:09:09,202
So thank you, Frankie.

754
01:09:09,382 --> 01:09:10,322
I don't know you,

755
01:09:10,482 --> 01:09:12,462
but I've just been inspired by your music.

756
01:09:13,702 --> 01:09:16,262
And if I had a stage in front of me

757
01:09:16,262 --> 01:09:18,002
or if I was in a studio,

758
01:09:18,422 --> 01:09:20,242
I would have created some movement

759
01:09:20,242 --> 01:09:22,362
to go along with that music.

760
01:09:23,062 --> 01:09:23,922
Well, you know,

761
01:09:24,002 --> 01:09:25,722
I was thinking that too

762
01:09:25,722 --> 01:09:27,022
as I was listening to the song.

763
01:09:27,022 --> 01:09:31,122
is that this could have been part of maybe not a Broadway show,

764
01:09:31,642 --> 01:09:35,522
maybe an off-Broadway or an off-off-Broadway with people wearing,

765
01:09:36,082 --> 01:09:39,922
right, one of those surreal productions with people wearing rabbit ears

766
01:09:39,922 --> 01:09:40,842
and dancing around.

767
01:09:41,102 --> 01:09:42,142
Yeah, absolutely.

768
01:09:42,422 --> 01:09:44,502
I mean, I could create a whole scene off of it.

769
01:09:44,522 --> 01:09:44,942
Absolutely.

770
01:09:45,182 --> 01:09:46,142
You just did it, yes.

771
01:09:48,642 --> 01:09:49,362
Great stuff.

772
01:09:49,362 --> 01:09:51,162
This is what I love about art, you know.

773
01:09:51,762 --> 01:09:54,302
So on a Bitcoin standard, I could work with Frankie

774
01:09:54,302 --> 01:09:58,182
and we can take time to develop this into a whole production.

775
01:09:59,942 --> 01:10:06,782
I think he was brought into this open music ecosystem,

776
01:10:06,942 --> 01:10:09,542
this value-for-value ecosystem by Aaron of Essex,

777
01:10:09,642 --> 01:10:10,442
who's a friend of the show.

778
01:10:11,242 --> 01:10:15,042
Aaron, if you're listening, you heard what Dion said.

779
01:10:15,182 --> 01:10:16,322
The offer is open.

780
01:10:17,162 --> 01:10:19,282
Reach out to your friend Frankie Peroni

781
01:10:19,282 --> 01:10:21,882
and ask him if he wants to work with Dion

782
01:10:21,882 --> 01:10:25,402
to make nonsensical into a dance production.

783
01:10:27,062 --> 01:10:28,122
There we go.

784
01:10:28,722 --> 01:10:33,122
You know, I mentioned Off-Broadway Dion,

785
01:10:33,302 --> 01:10:34,642
and that reminded me,

786
01:10:34,782 --> 01:10:38,562
I moved to New York as a boy, really,

787
01:10:38,802 --> 01:10:41,162
a very young man in 2002.

788
01:10:42,502 --> 01:10:45,002
And one of the earliest things,

789
01:10:45,142 --> 01:10:47,162
I was in university then,

790
01:10:47,762 --> 01:10:49,882
one of the things I was exploring

791
01:10:49,882 --> 01:10:52,302
was theater, right?

792
01:10:52,362 --> 01:10:53,702
Because where I came from,

793
01:10:53,802 --> 01:10:54,762
there wasn't that much theater

794
01:10:54,762 --> 01:10:57,022
and I obviously heard all about

795
01:10:57,022 --> 01:10:58,462
the amazing theater in New York.

796
01:10:59,142 --> 01:11:02,122
Broadway as a student was completely out of,

797
01:11:02,402 --> 01:11:03,602
even back then, right?

798
01:11:03,862 --> 01:11:05,062
20, 25 years ago,

799
01:11:05,662 --> 01:11:07,702
was financially out of reach.

800
01:11:08,542 --> 01:11:10,582
Off-Broadway was still,

801
01:11:11,182 --> 01:11:11,962
I mean, you know,

802
01:11:12,062 --> 01:11:13,882
we're talking about 8th Avenue at this point, right?

803
01:11:13,942 --> 01:11:15,762
Which is Broadway's, you know,

804
01:11:15,842 --> 01:11:17,302
Broadway and 7th is where the big,

805
01:11:17,602 --> 01:11:19,242
7th Avenue is where the, you know,

806
01:11:19,242 --> 01:11:24,602
the big production theaters are and then off broadway is eighth avenue which is supposed to be

807
01:11:24,602 --> 01:11:31,962
a little cheaper but not really right not really uh and and then you get into the the the i guess

808
01:11:31,962 --> 01:11:37,022
the i don't know if any anyone really calls it off off broadway and off off off broadway when you get

809
01:11:37,022 --> 01:11:43,242
into the 11th and 12th avenue but that's where i would go and back i don't know if you remember

810
01:11:43,242 --> 01:11:51,002
Hell's Kitchen back in, or Clinton, back in 2002, was not a good neighborhood.

811
01:11:51,742 --> 01:11:53,142
No, not at all.

812
01:11:54,422 --> 01:11:58,922
I had to step over drug addicts with needles sticking out of their arms to get into the theater.

813
01:11:58,922 --> 01:12:02,422
And I watched some of the best plays I've ever seen.

814
01:12:02,422 --> 01:12:04,202
Yes, exactly.

815
01:12:04,962 --> 01:12:11,242
You literally, you just said it, stepping over drug addicts to get to the theater to watch the best shows in town.

816
01:12:11,242 --> 01:12:14,282
I mean, that's New York.

817
01:12:14,942 --> 01:12:17,122
That's the fiat standard.

818
01:12:19,922 --> 01:12:28,202
When you have something beautiful right next to a failing situation,

819
01:12:28,622 --> 01:12:31,862
that can only happen on a fiat standard.

820
01:12:34,922 --> 01:12:38,982
But there's been an interesting evolution of Hell's Kitchen and that area, right,

821
01:12:38,982 --> 01:12:40,562
in the last 20 years,

822
01:12:40,642 --> 01:12:43,582
because it got very gentrified.

823
01:12:44,082 --> 01:12:45,162
The other side of the ad,

824
01:12:45,242 --> 01:12:46,242
which is you had all the money

825
01:12:46,242 --> 01:12:49,122
from the Gulf countries and Russia

826
01:12:49,122 --> 01:12:51,382
and all these high rises came up there,

827
01:12:51,562 --> 01:12:52,362
luxury high rises,

828
01:12:52,562 --> 01:12:54,262
which no one lives in, by the way, right?

829
01:12:54,382 --> 01:12:56,902
Ghost apartments, penthouses

830
01:12:56,902 --> 01:12:58,482
that go for whatever,

831
01:12:58,682 --> 01:13:00,782
$100 million, which no one lives in.

832
01:13:02,282 --> 01:13:04,482
Has that sort of the development

833
01:13:04,482 --> 01:13:06,622
of Hell's Kitchen and the Clinton area

834
01:13:06,622 --> 01:13:13,302
had an impact on Broadway and, you know, off Broadway and so on?

835
01:13:14,662 --> 01:13:15,402
Yeah, absolutely.

836
01:13:15,682 --> 01:13:18,602
I mean, you know, like you said, the gentrification of the neighborhood

837
01:13:18,602 --> 01:13:22,942
has obviously allowed different groups to now be exposed

838
01:13:22,942 --> 01:13:24,822
to what's happening in the neighborhood.

839
01:13:25,942 --> 01:13:31,742
Because if you weren't maybe an artist or, you know,

840
01:13:31,862 --> 01:13:35,042
someone who supported the art, maybe you'd have even really went to that,

841
01:13:35,042 --> 01:13:41,842
You know, a lot of the Hell's Kitchen, you know, those 47th, 8th, 9th, 10th Avenue walking over towards that direction.

842
01:13:42,522 --> 01:13:44,922
Most people, you know, they stay in a Times Square block.

843
01:13:45,642 --> 01:13:49,382
So, you know, having those neighborhoods be gentrified.

844
01:13:49,722 --> 01:13:57,422
And then even like you said, they moved a lot of the opera shows now on 42nd Street going towards 10th Avenue.

845
01:13:57,822 --> 01:14:00,602
There's a few theaters right there and they made them nice.

846
01:14:00,842 --> 01:14:04,822
They've integrated them into some of the new construction buildings there.

847
01:14:05,042 --> 01:14:07,802
So it's nice.

848
01:14:08,022 --> 01:14:09,082
It's more presentable.

849
01:14:09,882 --> 01:14:17,602
And one thing else that you mentioned, you know, you said that the ticket prices are pretty much in line, you know, not really that much of a difference.

850
01:14:18,002 --> 01:14:19,142
That's very true.

851
01:14:19,142 --> 01:14:26,262
And at the very same time that those ticket prices are about the same, the artist's pay is not.

852
01:14:28,442 --> 01:14:44,564
There a significant difference Where the money going Where that money going that the question prices are the same but the artists are not reaping the same benefits so this is what i mean when i say

853
01:14:44,564 --> 01:14:52,944
artists are highly exploited it's things of this nature and because we love what we do so much

854
01:14:52,944 --> 01:14:54,864
we take it

855
01:14:54,864 --> 01:14:56,524
we take it

856
01:14:56,524 --> 01:15:00,084
because we want that opportunity

857
01:15:00,084 --> 01:15:02,064
that opportunity which is hard

858
01:15:02,064 --> 01:15:03,984
to come by because there's so

859
01:15:03,984 --> 01:15:06,344
many of us especially here in New York

860
01:15:06,344 --> 01:15:07,964
that we

861
01:15:07,964 --> 01:15:10,304
sacrifice it all just for that opportunity

862
01:15:10,304 --> 01:15:11,964
for that

863
01:15:11,964 --> 01:15:14,044
moment of an opportunity

864
01:15:14,044 --> 01:15:16,104
because that moment may not

865
01:15:16,104 --> 01:15:18,124
even be beneficial in the long run

866
01:15:18,124 --> 01:15:20,104
it just may just be a

867
01:15:20,104 --> 01:15:21,624
specific moment in time

868
01:15:21,624 --> 01:15:23,624
that makes you feel great.

869
01:15:24,424 --> 01:15:26,824
But as an artist, you want that moment in time

870
01:15:26,824 --> 01:15:29,184
to help you create the next moment in time.

871
01:15:30,624 --> 01:15:34,184
That's the goal, but it doesn't always happen like that.

872
01:15:36,644 --> 01:15:37,164
Yeah.

873
01:15:37,424 --> 01:15:40,084
So Dion, let's go back to what we were talking about

874
01:15:40,084 --> 01:15:42,404
with Bitcoin for the Arts.

875
01:15:42,404 --> 01:15:44,684
And let's say you find the patrons

876
01:15:44,684 --> 01:15:48,224
and you're able to raise a certain amount of money

877
01:15:48,224 --> 01:15:52,624
that can, let's say, support different media, right?

878
01:15:53,084 --> 01:15:54,324
We're not just talking about theater.

879
01:15:54,464 --> 01:15:55,124
We're talking about painters.

880
01:15:55,264 --> 01:15:57,344
We're talking about musicians and so on.

881
01:15:57,684 --> 01:15:59,884
So let's take a concrete example.

882
01:16:00,664 --> 01:16:01,744
Let's say there's an, you know,

883
01:16:01,784 --> 01:16:03,784
we just played an independent musician.

884
01:16:03,944 --> 01:16:06,004
There's so many incredibly talented

885
01:16:06,004 --> 01:16:08,264
independent musicians that are out there.

886
01:16:08,744 --> 01:16:11,364
And, you know, maybe they have a little bit of equipment,

887
01:16:11,364 --> 01:16:14,304
but they can't afford a studio, right?

888
01:16:14,444 --> 01:16:16,224
I mean, to rent a studio,

889
01:16:16,324 --> 01:16:17,464
especially in a place like New York

890
01:16:17,464 --> 01:16:21,324
or any other big cities is out of reach the average musician.

891
01:16:21,884 --> 01:16:24,704
And maybe you need a week of studio time

892
01:16:24,704 --> 01:16:28,464
to be able to do a proper recording session.

893
01:16:29,444 --> 01:16:32,104
And let's just, I'm going to make some numbers up.

894
01:16:32,224 --> 01:16:36,984
Let's say that to get an album from concept to release,

895
01:16:37,484 --> 01:16:39,904
making sure the recording is of a high quality,

896
01:16:39,904 --> 01:16:41,644
then you need to pay someone to do the mixing

897
01:16:41,644 --> 01:16:43,124
and the mastering and all of that, right?

898
01:16:43,264 --> 01:16:44,624
You can't expect the guitar player

899
01:16:44,624 --> 01:16:46,584
to be able to do all of those things as well.

900
01:16:47,464 --> 01:16:50,084
It is a very complicated process.

901
01:16:51,144 --> 01:16:56,284
Let's just say it costs, I'm just making a number of five grand, right?

902
01:16:58,984 --> 01:17:04,824
And so how does a band who, let's say they're trying to raise that to release their album,

903
01:17:04,924 --> 01:17:06,424
they come to Bitcoin for the Arts.

904
01:17:07,904 --> 01:17:10,304
How does that conversation work?

905
01:17:10,364 --> 01:17:15,084
They say they put their application in front of you or in front of the decision-making committee.

906
01:17:15,144 --> 01:17:16,124
It's not just going to be you.

907
01:17:16,124 --> 01:17:18,504
It's going to be like an open sat thing, right?

908
01:17:18,584 --> 01:17:23,164
But it's going to be, you know, a certain number of people who evaluate applications.

909
01:17:24,004 --> 01:17:28,004
So walk me through how you're envisioning that process.

910
01:17:28,744 --> 01:17:31,244
So the way I envision that process, this is very good.

911
01:17:31,464 --> 01:17:32,504
I'm glad you mentioned this.

912
01:17:33,484 --> 01:17:35,304
They fill out the application.

913
01:17:36,264 --> 01:17:38,884
So these are artists that want to do an album.

914
01:17:39,364 --> 01:17:40,804
They've got their budget.

915
01:17:41,104 --> 01:17:45,224
They know exactly how much it's going to cost them.

916
01:17:45,224 --> 01:17:53,744
these different items that they've got to pay for, the producer, the studio time, the sound engineer.

917
01:17:56,164 --> 01:17:59,804
I want to see what have you previously done?

918
01:18:01,404 --> 01:18:08,184
What work have you done on your own that you've been able to get to full production?

919
01:18:08,184 --> 01:18:29,444
From there, our committee, which we'll start off with, you know, if we select board members because we're small, but eventually we want to open this up to allow our members, patrons, to be a part of the selection process because we're like Bitcoin.

920
01:18:29,564 --> 01:18:30,244
We're decentralized.

921
01:18:30,664 --> 01:18:33,804
We're open to everyone's participation.

922
01:18:34,884 --> 01:18:37,224
This is Bitcoin for the Arts for everyone.

923
01:18:37,224 --> 01:18:40,604
I just so happen to be the person that brought it to the forefront.

924
01:18:41,764 --> 01:18:44,124
But it is for every artist.

925
01:18:44,324 --> 01:18:50,644
It is for every patron to decide what type of projects they would like to fund.

926
01:18:51,044 --> 01:18:54,024
So these artists, they come to us and they've got a list.

927
01:18:54,184 --> 01:18:56,084
They've got previous projects.

928
01:18:56,204 --> 01:18:57,424
They've shown us their work.

929
01:18:57,684 --> 01:18:58,784
They have a budget.

930
01:18:58,984 --> 01:19:01,944
They know what they need and they know what they're missing.

931
01:19:02,264 --> 01:19:05,084
So we consider all of those things.

932
01:19:05,084 --> 01:19:19,044
And then depending on where we are in our ability to give, we can decide how much of that particular project can we afford to fund.

933
01:19:19,044 --> 01:19:32,404
If it's a studio project, like you mentioned, that takes maybe a couple of weeks or, you know, to do sometimes these projects and maybe even take a couple of months.

934
01:19:33,084 --> 01:19:37,704
You know, it could take a you could spend a month just putting together one song.

935
01:19:38,284 --> 01:19:41,764
So you might need funding over a period of time.

936
01:19:41,764 --> 01:19:53,764
So another thing we would want to do with a project like this is maybe we give you some initial Bitcoin funding to help you get the project going.

937
01:19:53,924 --> 01:20:01,644
You're in the studio, you're creating. Now you've reached a point where you need to pay for more studio time.

938
01:20:01,644 --> 01:20:05,764
You need to re-up your balances with all of your team and these people.

939
01:20:05,764 --> 01:20:14,004
So now we're in a position we can maybe offer you more funding to help along with the project.

940
01:20:14,484 --> 01:20:20,584
And like I said, this is all hypothetical because we don't know exactly what our numbers may be.

941
01:20:20,584 --> 01:20:44,884
But what I would like to be able to do is if we believe that artist has a project that is in line with creative, long-term thinking that will, this music that we could see, like Frankie's music, you said it sounds like it's from 1980s.

942
01:20:44,884 --> 01:20:54,344
and it's relevant in 2025, which would be 40, 35 years later,

943
01:20:55,004 --> 01:20:58,804
well, that's the kind of project that we want to participate in.

944
01:20:59,404 --> 01:21:02,284
That aligns with the Bitcoin ethos.

945
01:21:03,044 --> 01:21:06,644
That's the kind of stuff that Bitcoin for the Arts wants to say,

946
01:21:06,764 --> 01:21:08,324
we helped create this.

947
01:21:09,904 --> 01:21:14,024
So that's how I would initially look at funding a project like this.

948
01:21:14,884 --> 01:21:17,724
So actually, so you mentioned giving the artists Bitcoin.

949
01:21:17,924 --> 01:21:28,664
And before that, a short while back, you said there's going to be an entire sort of arm of the organization that's going to be about educating artists about Bitcoin.

950
01:21:29,624 --> 01:21:41,384
But a ground reality here is a lot of the bills, the studio bills, like a sound engineer, the studio rental itself, they don't accept Bitcoin.

951
01:21:41,384 --> 01:21:46,044
So let's say you give the artist $5,000 in Bitcoin, whatever that is.

952
01:21:46,744 --> 01:21:50,664
Let's just say roughly 5 million sats at today's conversion price.

953
01:21:51,304 --> 01:22:01,324
They'll then have to, for many of their bills, likely have to convert it into fiat to pay their vendors, suppliers, and so on, correct?

954
01:22:02,204 --> 01:22:02,804
That's correct.

955
01:22:03,004 --> 01:22:05,984
And we want to help them understand all the tools.

956
01:22:07,024 --> 01:22:10,624
Now, this is where the education comes in.

957
01:22:11,384 --> 01:22:19,164
There are multiple tools right now that will allow artists to live on a Bitcoin standard.

958
01:22:20,624 --> 01:22:29,284
And that's where the education comes in for us to not just fund these artists, but help show them the way.

959
01:22:29,764 --> 01:22:35,284
Because, yes, these other people that they're working with, they may have zero interest in Bitcoin.

960
01:22:36,364 --> 01:22:41,024
OK, so we're going to take those Bitcoin. We're going to show you this option is called BitRefill.

961
01:22:41,384 --> 01:22:56,024
Maybe there's a prepaid card that the studio will take, prepaid visa that we can use to pay them with a credit card.

962
01:22:58,004 --> 01:23:05,604
Maybe there's some tools or supplies that you need that we could purchase on Amazon.

963
01:23:05,604 --> 01:23:11,444
And we could use Bitcoin to buy an Amazon gift card.

964
01:23:12,164 --> 01:23:17,504
And now we can use that gift card to purchase the supplies that you need.

965
01:23:19,204 --> 01:23:27,744
Maybe there is somebody that you need to fly in to be a part of this production.

966
01:23:28,464 --> 01:23:31,244
And they need funding to pay for a flight.

967
01:23:31,244 --> 01:23:34,804
The flight, the airline does not take Bitcoin.

968
01:23:35,604 --> 01:23:40,184
Well, there are options for airlines that have prepaid cards.

969
01:23:41,124 --> 01:23:44,144
We can use Bitcoin to buy a British Airways card.

970
01:23:44,864 --> 01:23:48,304
We can use Bitcoin to buy American Airlines card.

971
01:23:49,604 --> 01:23:54,644
So there are workarounds to make a lot of these things happen.

972
01:23:55,564 --> 01:24:10,466
And that where educating the artist is so important on how to use Bitcoin Because right now there are some challenges There are some things that makes Bitcoin not as a one easy just go

973
01:24:11,806 --> 01:24:13,126
But we're going to help you.

974
01:24:13,906 --> 01:24:21,246
And then along the way, there are other Bitcoiners that are working to advance Bitcoin.

975
01:24:21,246 --> 01:24:27,326
So at some point, things will be going to be more easy to use.

976
01:24:27,946 --> 01:24:32,126
There'll be better operating standards, better ways of transferring Bitcoin.

977
01:24:32,986 --> 01:24:44,026
Maybe at some point when these other people that are working with you on your team see how you are conducting and operating on a Bitcoin standard.

978
01:24:44,506 --> 01:24:47,286
Well, maybe you just might orange pill someone.

979
01:24:47,286 --> 01:24:54,046
maybe we might just create a little bit of a mass adoption

980
01:24:54,046 --> 01:24:56,866
by being artists on a Bitcoin standard

981
01:24:56,866 --> 01:24:58,966
and people seeing how we operate.

982
01:25:00,206 --> 01:25:04,466
So there are tools that we can use to help those artists

983
01:25:04,466 --> 01:25:08,926
truly take advantage of Bitcoin all the way around.

984
01:25:11,266 --> 01:25:13,326
Yeah, I think it's a great opportunity

985
01:25:13,326 --> 01:25:17,406
for even Bitcoin developers

986
01:25:17,406 --> 01:25:19,506
to showcase their tools as well

987
01:25:19,506 --> 01:25:21,646
and then educate the artists.

988
01:25:22,246 --> 01:25:23,686
Everything you mentioned, right?

989
01:25:24,086 --> 01:25:24,966
Gift cards, airline.

990
01:25:26,186 --> 01:25:27,206
Right, yeah.

991
01:25:27,966 --> 01:25:29,066
But speaking of tools,

992
01:25:29,166 --> 01:25:30,846
I was just thinking about it.

993
01:25:31,106 --> 01:25:33,026
Because we're in the Bitcoin world

994
01:25:33,026 --> 01:25:36,946
and there's so many options here.

995
01:25:37,846 --> 01:25:40,306
I wonder, I mean, I know it's a non-profit,

996
01:25:40,706 --> 01:25:42,786
so this is probably a little bit of thought.

997
01:25:42,786 --> 01:25:44,946
but in that musician example

998
01:25:44,946 --> 01:25:46,266
it's easy to

999
01:25:46,266 --> 01:25:49,206
envision right and they release their music

1000
01:25:49,206 --> 01:25:51,146
as in this open music

1001
01:25:51,146 --> 01:25:53,086
ecosystem value for value ecosystem

1002
01:25:53,086 --> 01:25:55,126
and the song automatically goes

1003
01:25:55,126 --> 01:25:57,166
on Fountain it goes on Wavelick it goes

1004
01:25:57,166 --> 01:25:57,946
on all these other

1005
01:25:57,946 --> 01:26:01,166
value for value music apps and then when they get

1006
01:26:01,166 --> 01:26:01,606
zapped

1007
01:26:01,606 --> 01:26:05,126
you know maybe

1008
01:26:05,126 --> 01:26:07,066
there's something to think about is

1009
01:26:07,066 --> 01:26:09,246
think about a zap split

1010
01:26:09,246 --> 01:26:11,106
or something or a

1011
01:26:11,106 --> 01:26:13,026
boost split so that when the

1012
01:26:13,026 --> 01:26:15,306
sats come in, a small percentage

1013
01:26:15,306 --> 01:26:17,146
goes back into the foundation

1014
01:26:17,146 --> 01:26:18,766
itself. I don't know.

1015
01:26:19,586 --> 01:26:20,526
Here's the thing, right?

1016
01:26:20,786 --> 01:26:23,246
Because we're using tools

1017
01:26:23,246 --> 01:26:24,966
that are open source tools that are

1018
01:26:24,966 --> 01:26:27,106
outside of the fiat system, there's

1019
01:26:27,106 --> 01:26:28,986
any number of ways in which you

1020
01:26:28,986 --> 01:26:30,326
could take this?

1021
01:26:32,266 --> 01:26:32,746
Avi,

1022
01:26:32,946 --> 01:26:34,966
you just came up with a beautiful idea.

1023
01:26:35,686 --> 01:26:36,986
This is what I

1024
01:26:36,986 --> 01:26:39,006
love about being a big coiner and

1025
01:26:39,006 --> 01:26:41,046
being involved with

1026
01:26:41,046 --> 01:26:50,146
creators. I can't do this by myself. So this is what we need. We need a team of people to come up

1027
01:26:50,146 --> 01:26:56,306
with all the different ideas and ways that we can use Bitcoin, bring it back to us, send it out to

1028
01:26:56,306 --> 01:27:04,106
them. So that's wonderful. Absolutely. That's a great idea. That gives the artists more exposure.

1029
01:27:04,106 --> 01:27:09,406
That gives Bitcoin for the arts more exposure. That gives Bitcoin more exposure.

1030
01:27:10,566 --> 01:27:16,066
So eventually we get to sell money on sound culture all the way around.

1031
01:27:18,886 --> 01:27:22,186
We get there. All of these things.

1032
01:27:24,006 --> 01:27:30,926
The tools to pay for things in Bitcoin, the platforms, the Zap streams, the things, the nostras.

1033
01:27:30,926 --> 01:27:54,626
Yes, these are outlets for artists. More artists need to come to these outlets. More artists need to use Nostrum. I don't think most of them know about it. So they don't know about Bitcoin. There's certainly only a fraction of them that understand what Nostrum is and how that tool can be used to better serve them.

1034
01:27:54,626 --> 01:28:01,646
so there is a lot of corners for us to uncover there's a lot of this oh

1035
01:28:01,646 --> 01:28:08,566
yeah i could talk for another hour about all the different ways we could probably try to engage

1036
01:28:08,566 --> 01:28:15,466
people and these artists in the bitcoin space no yeah we certainly can but i will say this though

1037
01:28:15,466 --> 01:28:22,666
that i i just don't see how this happens without nostr nostr is the place right and it's it's

1038
01:28:22,666 --> 01:28:24,026
growing, the tools are improving.

1039
01:28:25,026 --> 01:28:25,246
Yes.

1040
01:28:25,846 --> 01:28:28,606
It's like, you know, all the benefits.

1041
01:28:28,606 --> 01:28:30,346
We have to use these tools to our advantage.

1042
01:28:30,946 --> 01:28:31,166
Definitely.

1043
01:28:31,386 --> 01:28:34,206
These tools are there to help propel the artist.

1044
01:28:34,406 --> 01:28:34,866
Absolutely.

1045
01:28:35,346 --> 01:28:36,606
We have to use Nostra.

1046
01:28:37,506 --> 01:28:37,726
Yeah.

1047
01:28:38,146 --> 01:28:39,266
We have to use Lightning.

1048
01:28:39,466 --> 01:28:40,586
We have to use BitCore.

1049
01:28:40,666 --> 01:28:41,986
We have to use these tools.

1050
01:28:42,966 --> 01:28:43,846
And we will.

1051
01:28:44,306 --> 01:28:44,666
And we will.

1052
01:28:44,666 --> 01:28:45,326
And we will.

1053
01:28:45,706 --> 01:28:47,026
They're there for us.

1054
01:28:47,786 --> 01:28:48,226
Yes.

1055
01:28:48,226 --> 01:28:48,726
All right.

1056
01:28:50,006 --> 01:28:51,986
Dion, I appreciate you taking the time.

1057
01:28:51,986 --> 01:28:54,586
without realizing it, in the blink of an eye,

1058
01:28:54,706 --> 01:28:55,906
we're at the 90-minute mark.

1059
01:28:56,926 --> 01:28:57,886
How about it?

1060
01:28:59,286 --> 01:29:02,446
Now, really appreciate this conversation

1061
01:29:02,446 --> 01:29:04,066
and really appreciate what you're doing,

1062
01:29:04,146 --> 01:29:06,366
taking the initiative the way you are,

1063
01:29:06,766 --> 01:29:10,626
bringing this much-needed Bitcoin for the Arts,

1064
01:29:11,426 --> 01:29:14,846
this nonprofit into existence.

1065
01:29:16,486 --> 01:29:21,206
I'm going to do everything I can to help you with this.

1066
01:29:21,986 --> 01:29:23,546
I help you find patrons.

1067
01:29:23,806 --> 01:29:27,946
If there are patrons listening to this show, which I suspect there are,

1068
01:29:28,386 --> 01:29:33,866
please consider participating in this renaissance, really.

1069
01:29:34,006 --> 01:29:35,606
And then you can reach out to Dion.

1070
01:29:35,686 --> 01:29:36,446
You can reach out to me.

1071
01:29:36,626 --> 01:29:37,966
I can help connect.

1072
01:29:38,866 --> 01:29:41,086
And let's make this happen.

1073
01:29:41,806 --> 01:29:44,666
Dion, I really appreciate everything you're doing in this space.

1074
01:29:46,006 --> 01:29:47,106
It's inspiring.

1075
01:29:48,806 --> 01:29:49,406
Thank you.

1076
01:29:49,406 --> 01:30:10,846
I'm just inspired by the people around me. And I'm doing this because I have the support from other Bitcoiners. I wouldn't be doing this if this was not a Bitcoin space. I wouldn't be doing this without the support of the Bitcoin community. That's what makes all of this worth it.

1077
01:30:10,846 --> 01:30:14,446
Like, I don't even feel like I'm doing anything.

1078
01:30:14,646 --> 01:30:28,886
I feel like this is, like I said, a moral obligation of being a good person and understanding that if I know and have access to a better way, then you should share that with the next person.

1079
01:30:30,246 --> 01:30:30,806
Indeed.

1080
01:30:31,626 --> 01:30:35,766
Any final thing for our audience, Dion?

1081
01:30:35,766 --> 01:30:38,806
Where can they find out more about Big Gun for the Arts?

1082
01:30:39,066 --> 01:30:40,186
Any call to action?

1083
01:30:40,186 --> 01:30:54,786
If someone listening here has been inspired by this conversation and says, yes, I want to be part of this, whether they're the patron, whether they're an artist, whether there's someone who can just lend a hand, their labor in making this real, what can they do?

1084
01:30:54,966 --> 01:30:56,066
Where do you want to send them?

1085
01:30:56,686 --> 01:30:59,466
Please go to BitcoinForTheArts.org.

1086
01:31:00,066 --> 01:31:03,826
We have a form that you can fill out to volunteer.

1087
01:31:03,826 --> 01:31:09,746
we have a form that you can fill out to nominate someone who you think that they would be a great

1088
01:31:09,746 --> 01:31:16,886
fit to work with us and of course you can donate and you can reach out to me on

1089
01:31:16,886 --> 01:31:25,946
Nostra you can reach out to me on x at orange pill man um I am readily here available you can

1090
01:31:25,946 --> 01:31:33,066
reach out to Avi on all of his platforms and we will get in touch with you one way or another

1091
01:31:33,066 --> 01:31:40,446
we need your support artists bitcoiners let's chase the world

1092
01:31:40,446 --> 01:31:48,626
love it thank you dion appreciate that and thank you to our live stream audience for listening

1093
01:31:48,626 --> 01:31:56,046
if you can stick around i will be airing a nostra premiere of finding home the paraguay episode

1094
01:31:56,046 --> 01:32:00,606
in a short while, just a little over 20 minutes at 6 p.m. Eastern.

1095
01:32:01,026 --> 01:32:06,586
That's 2300 UTC, which I'm pretty certain is a first ever for NOSTA

1096
01:32:06,586 --> 01:32:10,246
to have a show, a TV show premiere here.

1097
01:32:10,926 --> 01:32:13,026
And if you are listening to the recorded episode,

1098
01:32:13,466 --> 01:32:17,446
and I hope you're doing so on a podcasting 2.0 app such as Fountain,

1099
01:32:18,046 --> 01:32:21,966
you can either catch a rerun of this Finding Home stream

1100
01:32:21,966 --> 01:32:30,886
this Sunday, January 18 at 1900 UTC, 2 p.m. Eastern Time, airing right after my episode of

1101
01:32:30,886 --> 01:32:35,626
Sunday Brunch. Rod Palmer from The Bitcoin Bugle is going to be my guest for that one.

1102
01:32:36,386 --> 01:32:43,166
And folks, this is a value for value production. If you enjoyed what you heard, if you were inspired,

1103
01:32:43,166 --> 01:32:50,626
amused, or otherwise transported to a more desirable state of being than before you hit play,

1104
01:32:50,626 --> 01:32:56,246
please consider zapping the show on Noster or boosting the episode on your favorite

1105
01:32:56,246 --> 01:33:04,646
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1106
01:33:04,646 --> 01:33:07,626
until next week stay sovereign

1107
01:33:20,626 --> 01:33:21,126
you