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It's time to stop interviewing and start listening.

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Welcome to Sunday Brunch.

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Right, a big GM to everybody.

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Welcome everyone to Sunday Brunch.

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I have a small note here from Avi that says,

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GM Aaron, I've set the controls to the heart of the sun.

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so there you go let's carry on let's travel to the sun the format is very simple i've been tasked

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with bringing a special guest onto the show with me and they can bring five value for value tracks

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and we give them a spin they can tell me a little bit about the origin story present day and future

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optics and while these songs are on you have the opportunity to zap and boost the music of which

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the artist will receive at least 90 percent so today my special guest is someone i've known for

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less than 12 months and is the owner of at least six aliases and possibly more but he is the mentor

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of the new music economy so please welcome nat cole to the show nat welcome

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hey whoa cue applause cue applause thank you very much thank you very much so morning that

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how are you first of all yeah i'm good you know like you can't complain when the sun's out in the

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uk in it like you know someone said to me yesterday we could get all the seasons in one day in the uk

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it's the only country in the world isn't it yeah i mean it's freezing though it is freezing even

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though the sun's out don't let it fool you so nat very simply first of all we're here and we're

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going to be talking all things value for value the music and things like that but tell me what

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is the new music economy oh right oh this is this is there's many many terminologies i would say

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right for this but um but basically from my perspective the new music economy is a uh

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a new music industry built on a bitcoin standard right if i was to put it into one line you know

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and the reason why we call it the new music economy,

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I think to Bitcoiners is pretty obvious, right?

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But to normies, it sounds a lot better than,

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hey, look, put your music on Bitcoin, right?

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Hey, we're using Bitcoin and music

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or we're creating decentralized music spaces, right?

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Because all of that just,

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I think it signals to them crypto NFTs, right?

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Like through lots of the conversations

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that I have with artists over the years.

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You know, I mean, I've been talking about Bitcoin being paired with music since like 2015.

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Like, you know, so obviously during my shitcoiner days, you know, like that was like an era of always exploration for me.

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And I think that coming back around to starting what we started with this movement is, you know, and 2140 music is really kind of coming back around to creating a terminology for it.

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doesn't say shitcoiner or some random stuff,

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you know, or lead to some other thoughts, right?

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It just leads to, I would say, musicians' reactions

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are normally like, what is the new music economy?

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They are interested because it sounds interesting.

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But the term and the phrase itself is not something

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that I want to say that I came up with

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because I didn't necessarily coin it for the first time

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within the music space.

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It was something that we were in a meeting saying,

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how how can we put this message across in one line without having to say you know the bitcoin

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the bad b word to these musicians and um i just randomly said new music economy and we were all

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like oh that sounds like really really good like we should use that and then i went into research

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and it found out that it had been used before i think the the the original founder of pandora was

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the one who coined the phrase new music economy. And the meaning, the classical meaning of new

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music economy is musicians utilizing technology to further their independent music careers.

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So I was like, I've got to challenge that slightly because it just sounds like a new music

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ecosystem. You know, like you come up with Spotify. I'm not, you know, I know we say fuck

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spotify right but uh but but we've got to look at it from from just a perspective of the applications

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that have been built over the years for musicians right and platforms that have been built and

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things that musicians are using so things like spotify apple music so on and so forth have all

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classically been classed as new music economy platforms however my argument is that they are

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not new music economies or part of even a new music economy they are new music ecosystems because

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they are closed ecosystems in which these musicians are participating right when you have

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the new music economy you have a way for musicians to participate no matter which level that they're

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on and also have economic access without having to ask for permission and that's where bitcoin

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comes in and V4V and Podcasting 2.0 and all the wonderful things that have been built with this.

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So, yeah, so that's what I would call the new music economy. If you're utilizing Bitcoin in

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any way, I don't, you know, I know we like to say spam, right? But I don't disinclude the

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ordinals crowd, the guys who are working with music and ordinals, right? Because it's still

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allowing musicians to utilize, again, an access,

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have that access to putting their music out in a permissionless manner, right?

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And they're using Bitcoin.

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So it's on a Bitcoin standard, regardless of whether or not, you know,

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So, yeah, so that's my roundabout definition of it.

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I mean, when we go to, like, market our gigs now, you know,

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we don't really want to talk about the Bitcoin aspect of it.

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because live music is what we all passionate and share a love for.

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So having a beautiful little term like new music economy,

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it kind of does wrap it up.

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And obviously having the NME, that's quite a famous phrase in the UK, isn't it?

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so there's kind of like a nice like um circular yeah synergy of it all kind of coming back around

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together so i know in the chat uh or in the intro i said um i've only known you for less than 12

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months um and you're the owner of at least six aliases you know so that was the funny thing

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because i remember when we started chatting about it all of a sudden i'm replying to big rpc over

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here and then i'm g-o-l-g-o-l-d over here and then i'm chatting to coin scrum over here and 20

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and then we finally meet and i'm like it's all the same guy it's the same guy so you are an absolute

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whirlwind when it comes to like you know putting putting this out there and i want to commend you

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for that so even though i've known you for less than 12 months you know we've been lucky well i

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mean you've been unlucky enough to work with me i suppose on creating the whole bit fest thing last

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dear um where do you see where we are right now in the new music economy where are we

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i think of is uh well you know we're all gonna say this right in the bitcoin space that we're

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all early we're all still very very very extremely early um however in terms of the evolution of the

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tooling and the technologies right i think we're kind of at that phase now where um where peer-to-peer

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music it's funny as you said it's kind of like a round circle right we've kind of circled back

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right because we're here back at peer-to-peer music sharing right where you know like uh the

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the bit torrent kazar um lime wire days i would say that we're kind of back there right but um

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in the terms of it's all updated now so so so musicians now have easier access to this stuff

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and it's more presentable right like back then you know you have to download the the the client

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or find somebody else's seeding it or whatever

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to be able to actually get access to the music

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and then be an MP3 format,

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like really low bit rate and whatever else.

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with an embedded music player

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and I have a way to be able to share the music

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in a gated fashion, right?

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even though it's still available for peer-to-peer sharing,

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you know, if I wish to do so and host the songs myself, right,

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from a node or from a hard drive on a computer or a server or whatever.

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where we're just waiting for the Spotify of this era almost, yeah?

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with it being Spotify, right, because Spotify is, again,

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closed-loop music ecosystem, right?

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and kind of feeling that this is something new

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in a new way to interact with music, right?

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we essentially are back at Spotify,

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but nice and open and free and, you know,

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less restrictions, I would say.

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So there's a prime example there of going to have a look at UI back in 1997 and what it was then to how it is now.

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And well, this is the thing, isn't it?

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This is the beautiful thing with these decentralized protocols that we can all build on top of.

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You know, if anyone has an idea, they can go out and vibe code it or create it, put it out there to the world.

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and what syncs, syncs, and what swims, swims.

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that are built on top.

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they've obviously got that system kind of going,

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and the UI was very good on that.

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and it looked kind of like compelling to people.

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and it was like looking at it quite nicely.

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which obviously toe the line or kind of tiptoe the line

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either side of podcasting and music.

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we've got V4V Music, we've got LN Beats,

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to that kind of app that has a big marketing budget

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that can really kind of get out there.

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It's like, well, yeah, of course, we've got to get the artists there first.

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So where I'd say we are in the industry is we've got quite a lot of artists.

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there's something for everyone now we need the fans do you know i mean we need to follow through

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and bring fans into the the space and listening to the shows and i think the music shows do a great

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job of curating music and putting it out there in a compact like hour show and they can show you the

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best of the new music that's i've been uploaded that week or they can do throwbacks and things

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like that so i think the radio shows are important but unfortunately we still not got one in the uk

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music shows in the UK?

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legacy music industry platforms, right?

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two problems that are presented with getting the fans which is for me what I see is the first problem is is that Bitcoiners that already hold Bitcoin

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a lot of them don't even know that this stuff exists, right?

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And because Bitcoin's so...

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or small space, shall we say, small world almost, right?

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because there's such a breadth of things that can be enabled with Bitcoin, right?

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So you could speak to somebody who's like a super duper Bitcoin OG

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and they've never even known that anything was going on with music and Bitcoin, right?

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And I've had those conversations, right?

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So that's one side of the fan kind of equation.

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Then the other side of it is how do we get people that are regular people,

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aren't normies as we say, right?

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how do we get those people because those are the mass right how do we get those people to use these

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applications if they're already used to paying 9.99 a month you know me and you talk about this

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all the time you've already used to pay 9.99 a month and get everything for seemingly free

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which which um which also on the v4v side of things obviously they're not they're not

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specifically taking ownership right either of the things so we could argue that okay cool you pay

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sats to stream or whatever but you never have actually ownership so that problem still exists

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right um just as a note but but it's like um those people come here and they listen for free

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like in essence right because they're not going to have any sats yeah so you still got to kind of

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find a way to to hit them with the impact of uh using bitcoin on the platforms like why should

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they use Bitcoin? Why not just pay 9.99 in fiat or 10 quid in fiat to use some other platform or go

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to band camp and support the artists that way, right? Why shouldn't they do that? And that message

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is more complex than being able to communicate in a one-liner that says, this is something new,

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right? It's something where I think ideologically you need to be able to win the fans over, right?

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um and and you know me and k mayfield have this conversation every now and again right it's like

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are music fans even really like music fans anymore right like that because again they can access all

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of this stuff for basically free yeah so how many of these people are going to go back and actually

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want to uh you know pay the artist directly and how many of these people um you know as kane would

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say you know kane doesn't like to call call them fans he says collectors you know i like to serve

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collectors right people who are going to value my art in the way that they would like to own

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it yeah right um and i think that that's still not i think it's being tackled in the new music

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economy as a whole but it's not being tackled on the v4v side of things right and um yeah i know

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we could say hey value sharing and open source everything and all the rest of it but that ain't

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paying a single musician's bills or their studio sessions right like or their master it sessions so

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like um yeah we just gotta find a happy medium i suppose between between between these things

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on both the side of as i said uh you know people who who are in the bitcoin space will they be

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happy to to to to start you know using these platforms and supporting artists that are using

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Bitcoin, right? And then

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on the other side, you know, how can

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we educate the average

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music listener or average music

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fan or collector

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in a way that they

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will also support musicians.

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Because if their favorite musician joins,

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like, you know, as you said, you've got

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this mass, right, of marketing,

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crazy marketing budget, right?

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So if you've got, like, I don't know, like,

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I'm going to say 50 cent

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out of the blue, right? Like, if you've got that 50 cent

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or Eminem says,

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hey,

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you know,

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I'm joining Wavelick,

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right?

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My new album is coming out on Wavelick.

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It's good.

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They're all going to go to Wavelick,

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but they're all just going to listen to it free.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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And essentially they can,

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if they wanted to download it for free,

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if they wanted to.

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Yeah.

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Cause we never get around the problem of people being able to record stuff

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directly.

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You know,

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like I could just set up a internal loop on my computer and just record

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through an audio channel into a door or something like that.

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And then I've got your song for free anyway.

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Right?

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so we're never going to that that's never ever going to go away right can't combat that but um

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but uh but just because m&m decides to use wave lake does it mean that those users are going to

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come and use bitcoin no it doesn't yeah they're all just going to come and listen to it for free

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yeah so we need to find a way to be able to kind of um not enforce i don't like to say enforce

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but what i would say because that sounds like you're forcing them right but i would say we need

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to find a way to quietly educate them on why they should support M&M, right, through using

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Bitcoin in this platform, right?

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You know, or 50 Cent or whatever.

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And it's funny that I said 50 Cent at the beginning because, you know, he is one of the

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people who have historically used Bitcoin to sell an album, right?

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So there's different ways, there's variations of ways to basically, I think, use all of

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this technology.

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and there are some downsides to it, you know, to each different thing,

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you know, each different portion.

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I'm just thinking has that message got to come from the artists themselves,

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direct to the fans, you know, it's all very well you and I standing up there

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and, you know, presenting a live show and saying, yeah, everyone, you know,

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download this app and, you know, support artists directly.

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But I think that that message is a lot more powerful when it comes

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from the actual artists themselves.

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Do you think artists will eventually get tired of the whole Spotify monopoly

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and start withdrawing their music from there just due to the fact that,

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you know, if my music is so readily available over here on Spotify,

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then I can't actually bring anybody over here because they're just going to go

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and do, you know, the path of least resistance, which is, oh,

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I'm just going to tune into Spotify.

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Or do we need to really progress the message that Spotify is almost literally killing the industry and it's killing new music's hopes and ambition because of obviously all the AI, all the terms and conditions.

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You know, when it comes to, you know, you upload your music to Spotify,

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we can basically remix it and feed that into AI and change the song completely,

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but take elements from it.

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Oh, and by the way, we're going to give you zero credit for it.

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You know, has that movement got to start with the artists?

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Artists like you say, Eminem going and Snoop Dogg,

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Snoop Dogg turning around saying, they don't pay me for this.

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You know, why am I putting it out there?

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Why am I putting it on there?

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Has there got to be

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A kind of an exit

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From the artist

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Will that encourage people to come over

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Do you think

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I think yes

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I think the more noise that artists make about

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The disparities

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In the traditional industry

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And start obviously pointing people

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Elsewhere

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Then they will do because we can see that even now

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We're just direct to fan

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People just setting up their own website

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And just selling music directly

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we can see that there is a hunger from fans

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to want to be a part of an experience

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as we were saying the other days

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not always just about the music

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so I think it is largely down to the artist

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to communicate the actual messages

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I think what you find

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or just in my personal research

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when I'm speaking to artists

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is that a lot of them are still kind of

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hazed by the the um the unit bias yeah right like that appears from saying hey i put my stuff on

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spotify spotify is like has the most listeners right um so i'm going to get lots of discovery

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right and that's what they seem to think they never kind of like uh you know look at it from

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the angle of uh well you know if i'm a small fish and i enter into the ocean which has lots of sharks

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and whales and uh and loads of other fish in it loads of other small fish and there's like actually

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you know what is it like uh it's like 1 million 1.5 million small fish interacting here a day

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yeah like or is it an hour i think it's an hour on youtube isn't it right like so um so you know

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like how do you you know it's like you're trying to kind of enter the marketplace and just trying

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to grab anybody because there's loads of people around you're just trying to you know grab anyone

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that's around right and i get that right i get that because you know there's it as the visibility

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shall i say right or the number of impressions that you you're likely to get is going to be higher

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right however if you go into if you look at from i'm a small fish and i enter into a pond

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with just a few other small fish in it yeah and maybe there's you know one or two slightly bigger

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medium-sized fish in there, right?

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But there's actually, like,

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lots of people that are interested

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in these fishes, like,

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because they can't be interested

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in anything else.

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If there's me and five other artists,

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yeah, right,

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if people start discovering this platform,

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I'm likely to,

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way more likely to be listened to.

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But it's how many people

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are going to actually discover the platform.

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Like you said,

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that comes back to the kind of

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million dollar marketing campaign budget again right you know um if these platforms can get in

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front of these people then these people might start to use them and that gives the artist the

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same level of discovery and that's where the artist says hey i would now love to use the new

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music economy stuff because i can get the same discovery that i or a similar discovery that i

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can get on or even a better discovery right um and that's a message that obviously with myself

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with yourself other people that are doing uh music within this new music economy are trying

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to push forward to people is that you're going to spotify yeah you might get this thousand play

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uh threshold that you need to even get a red cent on there right but if you come into this smaller

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pond this smaller pond has got only 10 000 people here right basically so you might find uh the same

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thousand people might be you're basically you can find the same thousand people it might be a little

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uh bit more of a grind because you know or feel like a little bit more of a grind because you're

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coming to a smaller place and you feel like you need to tell more people about and people are not

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interacting straight away and all the rest of it but once you do get people to interact in this

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smaller crowd of 10 000 people yeah right it's much easier to go from 100 to a thousand from a

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thousand to ten thousand right because there's only those people so so yeah and i suppose even

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that would get flipped on its head one day right if we if we have this killer app as we said right

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like and everyone just goes and starts using let's say wave lake or fountain or whatever

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right then you have exactly the same problem right again but but the difference is with

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a new music economy standard what you would have yeah is the fact that the person could switch the

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client that's what we have with like nostal right so the person could easily switch the client again

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they don't like what fountain is doing okay cool i'll just go and use wavelength i don't like what

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wavelength is doing cool i'll go and use lmbs oh i'm tired you know of uh these music platforms

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because they haven't got some feature that I feel is really important to people.

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And then you just build your own one.

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And there is just no one that you have to ask permission for this stuff, right?

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So, yeah, it's a wide dynamic.

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But, like, yeah, to look at it from that angle, that's what I would say, right?

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Like, we need to get the message out there from our perspective as the professionals

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or the people are educating or the platform builders is that, you know,

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this is not just a new platform with new features and a new music economy,

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so to speak, but the listener base here actually care, basically, right?

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And it's a smaller listener base.

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So your probability of getting a long-term listener base is going to be much higher.

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Yeah, not the easiest thing to explain, obviously, to somebody who's just like,

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hey, I just want to pay my $9.99 and listen.

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Yeah, totally.

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I mean, I think Hash Power Music, Bittish,

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I think they paid for or they did some research into listeners to Spotify,

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like the value of one listener on Spotify is nowhere near as high

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as the value of one listener in the V4V space.

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You know, something like 144 times more valuable.

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do you know what i mean in terms of like the economy well that's so it's pretty it's pretty

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plain because if somebody sends you like 10 sats even yeah use quite a lot of listens on spotify

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to get 10 yeah 100 and and of course the underlying thing they paying you in is is fiat so by the time you get it it probably lost another 10 value Do you know what I mean Anyway should we go into the first track that you chosen today Nat

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Should we play the first bit of music?

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I'm sure there's people out there.

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Have we got them in any particular order?

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I don't think we had them in any particular order.

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Well, I've put them in an order just easier for me to, like, navigate.

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So this first track is called Italian Job and it's by Air Clips.

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the same when they're in the ground our sounds rock the same when you're in the sound i lost

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bread and found love seeking it first was surfing then was submarine deep in it i tried to keep it

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under wraps end up leaking it they said i couldn't break the spell without speaking it the meek visit

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blessings on the strong for protection from the wild but that's where we all belong in the song

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of the rigid the notes aren't often wrong just unnecessary but you don't notice until they're

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wanna go, go, of dreams

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yeah

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Strollin' in the afternoon I'm proxy dabbin'

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See feds with sniffer dogs, there'll be a lot to grabbin'

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Used to fight with fists, now there's a lot of stabbins

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We catch a contact high from all them drugs we baggin'

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I live a lavish life compared to where I come from

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And blind leading blind, there was bare assumption

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Them older brothers pussy cause they fear the truncheon

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And we become them older brothers down there in the dungeon

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I had to mix legit with my road credentials

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Cause being prepared to bullshit it's so essential

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And being prepared to steal from the ones who stole

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It's sometimes the only way to make him whole

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I find a way to grow, relinquish control

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Start listening to your soul, this isn't your role

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Stop rapping about them stacks you were meant to hold

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Or that massive mansion that you live in with a centerfold

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Big Eclipse

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Cheers!

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Mr. Crips, jack my beat

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Sulla traccia per il 2025

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Uomo, uomo

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Cazzo, boy

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Uomo, we siamo beat boys

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Inguottati, incazzati, incazzati

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Sempre per strada

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Strada, questa è la strada

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Uomo, uomo, sai com'è

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Fun life, rank life

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Babe life, deep life

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Check it out, show

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Check it out, show

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Back before the fucking beat

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Right, that was Italian Job

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by Air Clips.

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Do you want to tell us a little bit about that track

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and why you chose it?

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Do you know what, Rack?

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What I actually did for the choice of this list of tracks

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is I spoke to each artist

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and I asked them what they thought

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would probably represent them the best.

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There's another track that we've got for later,

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obviously, that Clips had originally chose.

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But I said to him that he should try and choose something

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that is more towards him in it,

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like what he wants with just him on it, mate.

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basically.

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And something that maybe people haven't,

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haven't have heard yet.

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So,

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so yeah,

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so I'm probably better off speaking more about each artist as they come up.

458
00:31:35,624 --> 00:31:35,784
Right.

459
00:31:37,004 --> 00:31:38,304
But with Eclipse,

460
00:31:38,564 --> 00:31:39,944
he's been a friend of mine,

461
00:31:40,144 --> 00:31:40,404
you know,

462
00:31:40,424 --> 00:31:41,864
and a collaborator for many,

463
00:31:41,924 --> 00:31:42,104
many,

464
00:31:42,224 --> 00:31:43,124
many years now,

465
00:31:43,564 --> 00:31:45,164
best part of 20 years.

466
00:31:45,904 --> 00:31:46,384
And,

467
00:31:46,484 --> 00:31:48,184
you know,

468
00:31:48,404 --> 00:31:52,644
I like to call him the hardest working MC in the UK.

469
00:31:53,064 --> 00:31:53,244
Right.

470
00:31:53,244 --> 00:31:53,404
Right.

471
00:31:54,424 --> 00:32:07,824
And the reason why I say this is because he went on a long streak of just putting out albums, just putting out albums, just like it's inspired by like a few like kind of American rappers as well.

472
00:32:07,824 --> 00:32:15,104
You know, that we all were fans of. And he was like, you know what, I'm just going to just try and put an album every month.

473
00:32:15,104 --> 00:32:21,664
and then that just turned into him doing like albums and eps uh so frequently that he

474
00:32:21,664 --> 00:32:30,184
in 2024 i think he put out about 20 projects like or something like that in 2024 so

475
00:32:30,184 --> 00:32:38,804
like um 2025 i think he did maybe about 15 um and even this year alone i think he's recorded like

476
00:32:38,804 --> 00:32:44,724
eight projects already or something like that right so like he's very prolific in those

477
00:32:44,724 --> 00:32:50,504
terms and he just continues to record like every single day he's got you know like new things coming

478
00:32:50,504 --> 00:32:58,624
out um but yeah i mean his his background generally uh as i said has been both a producer

479
00:32:58,624 --> 00:33:05,624
and also uh you know a rapper in the hip-hop space he's very popular amongst the london and

480
00:33:05,624 --> 00:33:11,684
the uk underground uh quite a lot of people people know about him but we've been talking about bitcoin

481
00:33:11,684 --> 00:33:17,604
forever right so like back in 2014 i was like hey bro look you should start doing this bitcoin stuff

482
00:33:17,604 --> 00:33:22,484
right like you know with me and whatever and like we think that it could change the music game one

483
00:33:22,484 --> 00:33:26,784
day like because of you know by that time we'd learned about blockchain and we'd like okay yeah

484
00:33:26,784 --> 00:33:32,384
blockchain uh you know uh in the terms of its basis could change the way how music royalties

485
00:33:32,384 --> 00:33:38,664
are paid and and stuff so um again very early days nobody don't shoot me for if uh if it sounds

486
00:33:38,664 --> 00:33:44,184
shit coinery right but but um yeah so that's that's how we thought of things so you know we

487
00:33:44,184 --> 00:33:47,964
were we used to discuss it all the time you know like and back then he was uh he bought a little

488
00:33:47,964 --> 00:33:53,724
bit of bitcoin and some litecoin and monero and stuff and you know like messing around with stuff

489
00:33:53,724 --> 00:33:59,884
right like so um so he wasn't he's not new to this stuff so when when i kind of had this idea

490
00:33:59,884 --> 00:34:06,284
to put together this thing uh as 2140 music it was like you know are you interested in

491
00:34:06,284 --> 00:34:08,704
utilizing this stuff, bro.

492
00:34:08,824 --> 00:34:09,924
Like for the first time,

493
00:34:10,204 --> 00:34:12,704
here's some stuff where it could be utilized

494
00:34:12,704 --> 00:34:13,784
in a very easy way.

495
00:34:13,904 --> 00:34:15,624
You haven't got to do this, you know,

496
00:34:16,084 --> 00:34:18,144
Bitcoin degree, basically, right?

497
00:34:18,264 --> 00:34:20,344
Like to understand how it works.

498
00:34:20,904 --> 00:34:23,684
Like, do you want to start using some of this stuff

499
00:34:23,684 --> 00:34:24,464
and testing it out?

500
00:34:24,524 --> 00:34:26,024
And he was like, yeah, of course.

501
00:34:26,024 --> 00:34:27,424
Like, you know, if it's another avenue

502
00:34:27,424 --> 00:34:30,084
to put my music on, then 100%.

503
00:34:30,084 --> 00:34:31,104
And if it's like Bitcoin,

504
00:34:31,284 --> 00:34:34,184
then I'm moving away from this legacy system bullshit.

505
00:34:34,184 --> 00:34:40,724
right so i was like yeah cool and um you know since then he's just started to slowly move over

506
00:34:40,724 --> 00:34:48,484
to putting his stuff on wave lake um using nostar a little bit as well um and yeah he's just he's

507
00:34:48,484 --> 00:34:54,784
just trying to find his way in having the time between recording and putting stuff out to actually

508
00:34:54,784 --> 00:35:01,064
um to actually you know learn more about bitcoin and just become more involved right so uh so yeah

509
00:35:01,064 --> 00:35:07,124
so that's the track that he chose the italian job um as you can hear from from from what uh

510
00:35:07,124 --> 00:35:12,444
air clips does and all of us kind of uh at the moment with 2140 music we're uh into that boom

511
00:35:12,444 --> 00:35:19,524
back era of hip-hop you know the golden age um you know very lyric heavy bassline drums heavy

512
00:35:19,524 --> 00:35:27,704
uh hip-hop and um yeah man that's it go and check him out man air clips a i r k l i p z

513
00:35:27,704 --> 00:35:34,444
yeah wicked i want to give eclips a shout out as well i met him for the first time at the

514
00:35:34,444 --> 00:35:39,664
halloween thing you did a bricks london last year and then obviously we worked together on the bit

515
00:35:39,664 --> 00:35:46,084
fest show last year which um there is a full highlight video up on youtube that people can

516
00:35:46,084 --> 00:35:50,984
go and check out and you can see um basically all of these artists i think that we're featuring

517
00:35:50,984 --> 00:35:59,744
in today you can you can see and hear them live in the flesh as well um yeah i think the the

518
00:35:59,744 --> 00:36:07,284
beautiful thing about hip-hop and rap is like lyrically the social commentary that you guys

519
00:36:07,284 --> 00:36:12,464
provide do you know what i mean tends to like with rock and roll and things like that it's you know

520
00:36:12,464 --> 00:36:18,324
be a bit more love songs and a bit more but i think with with a lot of the lyrics i'd say it's

521
00:36:18,324 --> 00:36:24,864
the same i'd say it's the same like literally right lyrics again going back to the conversation

522
00:36:24,864 --> 00:36:34,064
that me and you always have right this these form formats hip-hop you know rock punk blues jazz

523
00:36:34,064 --> 00:36:41,764
yeah right like reggae you know like dancehall music drum and bass house these are all rebel

524
00:36:41,764 --> 00:36:48,084
music like this is like establishment yeah exactly the musicians are here and we're fucking putting

525
00:36:48,084 --> 00:36:52,704
our message across and everyone's going to fucking listen because you know we've made it sound

526
00:36:52,704 --> 00:36:59,424
fucking beautiful in it we've we've we've made it um we've made it vibrate along with your

527
00:36:59,424 --> 00:37:06,524
uh human vibration your frequency yeah that's it right so so yeah yeah that's the thing isn't it

528
00:37:06,524 --> 00:37:15,224
because um was it was it p diddy that said you know um about the a and the b side like literally

529
00:37:15,224 --> 00:37:21,284
on the a side give them what they want to hear and then like make your b side something uh profound

530
00:37:21,284 --> 00:37:27,164
and and the message that you want to get get out and that that's the thing isn't it you know

531
00:37:27,164 --> 00:37:34,624
music in itself can be a vehicle and a trojan horse to put in a point across you know and i

532
00:37:34,624 --> 00:37:39,884
think that's a lot of the time people dismiss that oh it's got a nice beat or it's got a bit

533
00:37:39,884 --> 00:37:45,044
of a jingle or it makes me feel good or whatever but there's there's an underlying message isn't

534
00:37:45,044 --> 00:37:50,104
there do you know what i mean to a lot of like a lot of the most powerful powerful songs ever been

535
00:37:50,104 --> 00:37:57,804
made so so you spoke about 2140 give us a little breakdown of what that actually is and and what

536
00:37:57,804 --> 00:38:07,524
you've created there so so 2140 music is a sub community really but of something that i started

537
00:38:07,524 --> 00:38:10,124
back in 2023 now.

538
00:38:11,384 --> 00:38:13,224
And really and truthfully,

539
00:38:13,524 --> 00:38:17,164
it came off the back of this idea, 2140R.

540
00:38:18,224 --> 00:38:22,384
And 2140R originally was just me

541
00:38:22,384 --> 00:38:24,564
putting new music out there.

542
00:38:24,804 --> 00:38:28,404
And, you know, you've got DistroKid or Spotify,

543
00:38:28,604 --> 00:38:29,944
whatever, it will ask you what label,

544
00:38:29,944 --> 00:38:31,644
you know, was this released under.

545
00:38:32,544 --> 00:38:34,784
And I just didn't want to put anything

546
00:38:34,784 --> 00:38:36,844
that sounded even remotely Bitcoin

547
00:38:36,844 --> 00:38:45,604
to a normie yeah um i could have put bitcoin music you know bitcoin this or you know btc

548
00:38:45,604 --> 00:38:50,864
something right like these are all the things that i just and i just typed in 2140 art right

549
00:38:50,864 --> 00:38:55,784
like that like i was like it's not just music it's art like because i'm not just interested

550
00:38:55,784 --> 00:39:03,664
in doing music like and music itself is an art form right um so yeah i did that and then that

551
00:39:03,664 --> 00:39:11,864
gave me a fault uh from just doing that like hey nobody actually is talking about this as though

552
00:39:11,864 --> 00:39:18,944
it is these different facets of bitcoin that it's all an art right like it's the code is an art

553
00:39:18,944 --> 00:39:28,764
the understanding of the monetary aspect of it is an art form within itself yeah community uh

554
00:39:28,764 --> 00:39:31,504
getting together based on this message, right?

555
00:39:31,624 --> 00:39:34,624
You know, like, and then also you have that,

556
00:39:34,704 --> 00:39:36,164
the music and the actual art, right?

557
00:39:36,164 --> 00:39:37,084
Like let's say that, you know,

558
00:39:37,724 --> 00:39:39,524
painting so-and-so for visual art, right?

559
00:39:40,824 --> 00:39:44,264
And then it just culminated in this thought of,

560
00:39:44,644 --> 00:39:47,124
hey, again, is there a way to actually

561
00:39:47,124 --> 00:39:49,544
put all of these messages across in that format

562
00:39:49,544 --> 00:39:52,064
that is very friendly to the average person?

563
00:39:52,064 --> 00:39:54,084
Again, without saying Bitcoin, right?

564
00:39:54,164 --> 00:39:57,424
So I took that 2140 art and was like,

565
00:39:57,424 --> 00:40:03,484
I'm going to create an online zine, yeah, that is talking about these different aspects. So,

566
00:40:03,604 --> 00:40:12,524
you know, we have money, culture, which obviously encapsulates community. We have art, you know,

567
00:40:12,844 --> 00:40:19,684
music, right? So we talk about these different things. And that way, people are kind of, you know,

568
00:40:19,864 --> 00:40:23,284
the people who are looking at Bitcoin from a monetary aspect still end up on the site, right?

569
00:40:23,284 --> 00:40:26,664
and then now they discover this culture that exists within Bitcoin.

570
00:40:26,984 --> 00:40:29,684
People are looking at it from a community perspective.

571
00:40:29,824 --> 00:40:32,484
We can say, hey, we're doing all these grassroots community works

572
00:40:32,484 --> 00:40:35,144
that we know so many great Bitcoin communities do.

573
00:40:35,224 --> 00:40:38,304
So when they go there, they start reading about things

574
00:40:38,304 --> 00:40:42,784
that are community-based grassroots projects, right?

575
00:40:43,384 --> 00:40:47,064
And then they tie it back to Bitcoin, not being like they come there

576
00:40:47,064 --> 00:40:49,024
and it goes Bitcoin, Bitcoin, Bitcoin, all the way on the front page.

577
00:40:49,464 --> 00:40:52,784
They look at culture and it's about all these community initiatives

578
00:40:52,784 --> 00:40:54,884
and then they realize that these community initiatives

579
00:40:54,884 --> 00:40:56,044
are powered by Bitcoin.

580
00:40:57,224 --> 00:41:01,064
And then, you know, music for obvious reasons, right?

581
00:41:01,304 --> 00:41:02,304
As we've discussed.

582
00:41:02,484 --> 00:41:04,204
And then art itself,

583
00:41:04,304 --> 00:41:06,224
like what people were doing with Bitcoin art.

584
00:41:06,304 --> 00:41:09,184
And this was obviously not ordinals everywhere

585
00:41:09,184 --> 00:41:09,984
and whatever, right?

586
00:41:09,984 --> 00:41:11,244
This is that what people are doing

587
00:41:11,244 --> 00:41:12,424
with physical Bitcoin art,

588
00:41:12,704 --> 00:41:14,024
what people are doing with ordinals,

589
00:41:14,104 --> 00:41:16,224
what people are doing with Bitcoin layer twos with art,

590
00:41:16,624 --> 00:41:17,904
you know, NFTs, it doesn't matter,

591
00:41:18,004 --> 00:41:18,804
whatever it is, right?

592
00:41:18,824 --> 00:41:19,964
If it's art, it's art, right?

593
00:41:19,964 --> 00:41:26,444
so um so that's where it kind of started from right and i was writing for a couple of months

594
00:41:26,444 --> 00:41:32,444
and it just got on top right to the point that i was like oh bloody hell man i'm doing all these

595
00:41:32,444 --> 00:41:48,906
other things and then i got to write these articles like and then i got to now find other people to write other articles and thanks to like people like susie and other people because a few people have already started to contribute to the site by this time So I was like okay cool Um this is cool but it taken me

596
00:41:48,906 --> 00:41:52,046
it's kind of like me doing the same thing that I'm always doing.

597
00:41:52,346 --> 00:41:54,466
Like I don't want to do this at the moment.

598
00:41:54,526 --> 00:41:55,906
I want to kind of pivot it a little bit.

599
00:41:56,786 --> 00:42:01,046
And obviously I was still doing stuff with, with Coin Scrum at the time.

600
00:42:01,046 --> 00:42:03,606
And Nick, who I was working with at Coin Scrum was like,

601
00:42:03,606 --> 00:42:11,286
you should really try and tap back into the music side of it because that's kind of your first idea

602
00:42:11,286 --> 00:42:19,386
that you had when you got him right and it's all very accessible now obviously not as we said the

603
00:42:19,386 --> 00:42:25,306
easiest for the average user but for somebody who's in the bitcoin space it's super accessible

604
00:42:25,306 --> 00:42:31,706
and for an average musician who has you know is uploading their stuff as you said on spotify

605
00:42:31,706 --> 00:42:33,886
That's technical enough, right, for the average person.

606
00:42:34,126 --> 00:42:37,446
So they should be able to grasp it with the tools that exist now.

607
00:42:38,366 --> 00:42:41,386
And that's what made me kind of spin it off and say,

608
00:42:41,506 --> 00:42:44,946
okay, I'm going to focus on 2140 music,

609
00:42:45,066 --> 00:42:47,486
and I'm going to start speaking to the musicians that I know

610
00:42:47,486 --> 00:42:51,666
from being around the industry and in the industry for a period of time.

611
00:42:52,526 --> 00:42:55,306
And yeah, just all the musicians that were around me,

612
00:42:55,386 --> 00:42:58,106
like, hey, would you guys be interested in doing this?

613
00:42:58,106 --> 00:43:02,526
like and as you said because hip-hop predominantly is like you know uh

614
00:43:02,526 --> 00:43:11,386
uh social commentary as you said and and and anti-establishment to some degree right

615
00:43:11,386 --> 00:43:19,546
uh rebel music it's like um hey guys how about learning about this and fuck the system at the

616
00:43:19,546 --> 00:43:25,686
same time right like instead of just talking about it um and yeah that was it so it was like

617
00:43:25,686 --> 00:43:30,706
okay cool i want to make this something separate i don't want to keep it as maybe i'll keep it under

618
00:43:30,706 --> 00:43:36,666
the same banner for for you know social media stuff like that but i want to make it something

619
00:43:36,666 --> 00:43:43,266
separate because it focuses on just music and just musicians and that led me to obviously dive in

620
00:43:43,266 --> 00:43:47,146
deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole on as i've said to you both sides of things because at the

621
00:43:47,146 --> 00:43:52,966
time obviously ordinal stuff had been popping off right so people were discovering what they could do

622
00:43:52,966 --> 00:43:59,146
on chain with music and then you have this kind of uh you know what what what um adam curry's built

623
00:43:59,146 --> 00:44:06,686
with uh uh this long-standing v for v space so as i've said to you in other conversations that

624
00:44:06,686 --> 00:44:13,146
we've had one side kind of solves one set of problems and the other side solves another set

625
00:44:13,146 --> 00:44:22,906
of problems right um but ultimately they all again fall under uh the new music economy as

626
00:44:22,906 --> 00:44:27,866
we said at the beginning like they both fall under that bitcoin standard so so yeah so 2140

627
00:44:27,866 --> 00:44:35,006
music was born and from there it was like how can we find ways to educate people but then also

628
00:44:35,006 --> 00:44:41,466
entertain them at the same time right um and throughout utilizing this technology just all

629
00:44:41,466 --> 00:44:47,466
the way through um so yeah so then that's when we started then we set up our first event first event

630
00:44:47,466 --> 00:44:52,386
was literally like we have two rooms in that venue so shout out to brixtonia lounge in brixton

631
00:44:52,386 --> 00:44:54,626
you know like the guy in there

632
00:44:54,626 --> 00:44:56,746
Ahmad was pretty helpful

633
00:44:56,746 --> 00:44:58,706
and gave us that venue for free

634
00:44:58,706 --> 00:45:00,666
so we had

635
00:45:00,666 --> 00:45:02,666
upstairs as like a kind of

636
00:45:02,666 --> 00:45:03,766
classroom set up

637
00:45:03,766 --> 00:45:06,606
and people come in, musicians come in

638
00:45:06,606 --> 00:45:08,426
in the first hour or so

639
00:45:08,426 --> 00:45:11,006
we give them a talk about what we're doing, who we are

640
00:45:11,006 --> 00:45:12,746
and what the new music economy

641
00:45:12,746 --> 00:45:14,826
is about, keep it very basic

642
00:45:14,826 --> 00:45:16,486
and like you know

643
00:45:16,486 --> 00:45:18,466
surface level and then

644
00:45:18,466 --> 00:45:20,226
after that we'd all go downstairs

645
00:45:20,226 --> 00:45:22,546
and people would still be coming in.

646
00:45:22,706 --> 00:45:24,066
So we'd have that environment

647
00:45:24,066 --> 00:45:25,726
and we'd have all of these performances.

648
00:45:26,706 --> 00:45:30,066
And the artists would give a quick speech

649
00:45:30,066 --> 00:45:31,566
maybe about why they came

650
00:45:31,566 --> 00:45:34,046
or why they think that the new music economy

651
00:45:34,046 --> 00:45:35,086
is interesting to them.

652
00:45:36,166 --> 00:45:37,826
And then we just continued doing it.

653
00:45:38,046 --> 00:45:40,346
So yeah, that's the birth of it.

654
00:45:40,346 --> 00:45:43,866
So you're saying like 2140 is more of a kind of event

655
00:45:43,866 --> 00:45:47,566
slash education slash, is it a website?

656
00:45:47,866 --> 00:45:49,146
Do you have a website for it?

657
00:45:49,146 --> 00:45:58,166
yeah we do have a website it's music.2140art.com okay uh and and at the moment i would say we're

658
00:45:58,166 --> 00:46:04,366
we're we're kind of just really more facilitator yeah right and that's where our place place us

659
00:46:04,366 --> 00:46:13,606
because you we our main kind of things are around education yeah uh activation so doing you know

660
00:46:13,606 --> 00:46:17,706
live events and everything else, as you said, utilizing the technology.

661
00:46:19,186 --> 00:46:22,746
And then it is curation, I would say, is the next thing, right?

662
00:46:22,746 --> 00:46:27,286
And then we have bookings as well, right?

663
00:46:27,446 --> 00:46:31,026
Because the artists that are utilizing this technology,

664
00:46:31,326 --> 00:46:36,346
we feel that they need to have some help in bridging the gap between them

665
00:46:36,346 --> 00:46:41,726
and gigs that they could potentially find within this space

666
00:46:41,726 --> 00:46:44,486
or people that are supporting this technology.

667
00:46:45,306 --> 00:46:51,146
So, you know, they're not going to know about some club, pub or bar in Poland

668
00:46:51,146 --> 00:46:55,086
or something that is, you know, a Bitcoiner place where Bitcoiners go

669
00:46:55,086 --> 00:46:57,646
and they could probably set up a gig over there, right?

670
00:46:57,646 --> 00:47:02,406
So our kind of role in that sense is to be able to go back and forth

671
00:47:02,406 --> 00:47:09,366
between promoter, venue and the artist and try and find a reasonable booking,

672
00:47:09,526 --> 00:47:11,346
you know, for the artist as well.

673
00:47:11,346 --> 00:47:14,886
So there's all of these different things that we could do.

674
00:47:14,986 --> 00:47:16,306
And I suppose that might expertise.

675
00:47:16,526 --> 00:47:18,186
I've done event curation.

676
00:47:18,366 --> 00:47:19,606
I've done event promoter.

677
00:47:19,926 --> 00:47:21,166
I've done event manager.

678
00:47:21,826 --> 00:47:24,626
I've managed my own catalogue.

679
00:47:24,826 --> 00:47:29,086
So I understand in terms of music manager, how that works, distribution.

680
00:47:30,966 --> 00:47:32,426
I've done a little bit of everything.

681
00:47:33,006 --> 00:47:33,346
All right.

682
00:47:33,406 --> 00:47:38,026
Well, let's dive into a bit more about you after this next track.

683
00:47:38,026 --> 00:47:41,266
The next track, we've got Blow Out the Candles.

684
00:47:41,346 --> 00:47:43,386
And this is by Andy Prince.

685
00:48:11,346 --> 00:48:17,046
cold listening to dark and cold mixtapes always rewind my favorite bits that resonate with the

686
00:48:17,046 --> 00:48:22,566
life i was living then giving friends a way to make a living and others on ends felt jealous so

687
00:48:22,566 --> 00:48:28,066
i brought them in we was making way more than tennis eating pizza with the fennel sausage on

688
00:48:28,066 --> 00:48:33,386
it teenage boss always running shit wanted to spit that chronic on the drum patterns i was loving

689
00:48:33,386 --> 00:48:39,246
but as a youngin i had something and nothing yet i hadn't met eclipse or kenny beers and many things

690
00:48:39,246 --> 00:48:44,726
hadn't happened holding cells and losing friends acting a fool and being beaten by my dad through

691
00:48:44,726 --> 00:48:51,646
the ends for stupid shit but if he knew the shit i was really doing i probably wouldn't be doing this

692
00:48:51,646 --> 00:48:59,446
you gotta go for what you want in life you gotta go for what you need in time you'll find the light

693
00:48:59,446 --> 00:49:06,166
was inside you to design how you define your mind through the streams of lies you gotta go for what

694
00:49:06,166 --> 00:49:11,826
you want in life you gotta go for what you need in time you'll find the light was inside you to

695
00:49:11,826 --> 00:49:16,966
design how you define your mind through the streams of lies these dreams of mine planted

696
00:49:16,966 --> 00:49:23,026
like a seed in time to feed the feed of me that breeds a rhyme peace and line together with ease

697
00:49:23,026 --> 00:49:28,686
to bind the treasure to free the mind i can't leave it behind on done into court i'm still on

698
00:49:28,686 --> 00:49:34,386
it and sure i got something to share but i honestly thought no one would care so the record wasn't put

699
00:49:34,386 --> 00:49:40,346
out there but now i'm out here without a doubt announcing i was keen to find the means to keep

700
00:49:40,346 --> 00:49:45,246
the dreams alive keep them on the toe the gatekeeper froze keen to keep the codes of these

701
00:49:45,246 --> 00:49:51,406
calculated flows i'm about to make it gold through aims and goals but how long is it taking is it

702
00:49:51,406 --> 00:49:56,246
taking its toll i was placed in the road displaced from my home but now that i'm grown i'm breaking

703
00:49:56,246 --> 00:50:03,486
the mold embracing my foes stay in the zone and pray for their souls you gotta go for what you

704
00:50:03,486 --> 00:50:06,986
One in life? You gotta go for what you need and time.

705
00:50:07,086 --> 00:50:12,326
You'll find the light was inside you to design how you define your mind through the streams of lies.

706
00:50:13,386 --> 00:50:15,626
You gotta go for what you want in life?

707
00:50:16,486 --> 00:50:18,406
You gotta go for what you need and time.

708
00:50:18,486 --> 00:50:22,326
You'll find the light was inside you to design how you define your mind.

709
00:50:22,446 --> 00:50:26,126
So keep dreaming bright. Stop impeding the shine.

710
00:50:26,786 --> 00:50:29,846
It's in fashion to free your mind and the rest will follow.

711
00:50:29,846 --> 00:50:34,606
So smell the flowers and blow out the candles.

712
00:50:37,906 --> 00:50:41,906
That was Blow Out the Candles by Andy Prince.

713
00:50:42,026 --> 00:50:45,026
And remember, you can boost that track.

714
00:50:45,206 --> 00:50:47,226
The artist will get 90% of the zap.

715
00:50:47,386 --> 00:50:55,026
So make sure you give it a boost if you like it and send Andy a message and let him know that you're listening to it.

716
00:50:55,026 --> 00:51:04,106
So then, Nat, like you were talking earlier about 2140 being a vehicle for you to push the culture.

717
00:51:04,106 --> 00:51:23,266
You know, it's a culture maxi kind of train that you've built to, like you say, bridge the gap between legacy system and the Bitcoin system through not only education, but events and artists and all of that, which is all like powerful stuff.

718
00:51:23,266 --> 00:51:38,046
And trust me, I don't know where you find the time to squeeze all this in because, you know, with the amount of artists that you're kind of representing and the amount of events that need to be planned and pre-planned and promotion and all that, I take my hat off to you.

719
00:51:38,906 --> 00:51:44,786
But I want to know a little bit more about Nat, the man, the artist.

720
00:51:44,986 --> 00:51:49,546
I mean, obviously, I don't want you to dox yourself too much, but are you a family man?

721
00:51:49,946 --> 00:51:51,946
You know, where do you come from?

722
00:51:51,946 --> 00:51:59,126
who your inspiration is and i suppose most importantly who got you into bitcoin as well

723
00:51:59,126 --> 00:52:05,706
yeah yeah thank you i mean and i gotta take uh my hat off to you as well because again i don't

724
00:52:05,706 --> 00:52:12,746
know where you find the time because it is it is a lot more work than people think that it actually

725
00:52:12,746 --> 00:52:18,006
is right like to have these conversations and to put together and formulate even just we love it

726
00:52:18,006 --> 00:52:23,606
don't we we love it yeah yeah we're fully immersed in it we wouldn't we wouldn't have it any other

727
00:52:23,606 --> 00:52:29,286
i'd say i'd say i'd say where we synergize most are and and where bitcoiners i think just generally

728
00:52:29,286 --> 00:52:35,066
synergize is the freedom aspect of it it's the sovereignty right you know so um so that is the

729
00:52:35,066 --> 00:52:41,246
big driver i would say right the big driver so um without kind of going into a super long history

730
00:52:41,246 --> 00:52:43,806
of things with me.

731
00:52:44,506 --> 00:52:48,186
On my side, yeah, I mean, I'm just a regular guy, right?

732
00:52:48,186 --> 00:52:49,446
Like anybody else, to be honest.

733
00:52:49,446 --> 00:52:53,326
As you said, family man, you know,

734
00:52:53,486 --> 00:52:55,826
like I've always been into music and computing.

735
00:52:56,106 --> 00:53:00,706
Those, since I was a child, those have been my two things, yeah?

736
00:53:00,886 --> 00:53:02,466
Like music and computing.

737
00:53:03,426 --> 00:53:08,946
So when it comes to the music side, like I've had many, many roles.

738
00:53:08,946 --> 00:53:12,006
I have a lot of family that are, you know,

739
00:53:12,066 --> 00:53:15,286
always been kind of in and around the music industry.

740
00:53:16,026 --> 00:53:19,526
My dad's prior to, my background is primarily Jamaica,

741
00:53:19,626 --> 00:53:20,606
my mum and my dad's side.

742
00:53:21,766 --> 00:53:24,066
But my dad, you know, when he came to the UK,

743
00:53:24,586 --> 00:53:27,706
he had already been, you know, an electronics engineer in Jamaica,

744
00:53:28,386 --> 00:53:31,286
you know, building speaker boxes, sound systems,

745
00:53:31,506 --> 00:53:32,906
and running sounds and stuff like that.

746
00:53:32,926 --> 00:53:36,366
That is a big heritage thing for Jamaica, you know, in Jamaica, right?

747
00:53:36,706 --> 00:53:38,486
So sound systems is massive.

748
00:53:38,486 --> 00:53:42,746
So when he first came over, he was a record collector.

749
00:53:43,326 --> 00:53:49,946
He was a DJ, a technician, and, you know, he went into electronics engineering.

750
00:53:50,826 --> 00:53:59,286
So as I was growing up, all I had in my house was TVs, videos, speakers, like everywhere, like literally everywhere.

751
00:53:59,566 --> 00:54:01,966
You just open a cupboard and circuitry would fall on you.

752
00:54:01,966 --> 00:54:08,626
Right. So, so, yes, I've always had kind of that interest as well, because it's always been around me.

753
00:54:08,666 --> 00:54:11,606
Right. And I suppose that's what led me maybe to computing.

754
00:54:11,866 --> 00:54:17,406
Right. But two of my uncles, especially, you know, were big in computing.

755
00:54:18,766 --> 00:54:25,626
And, you know, they got me introduced to like MS-DOS and stuff and Unix and stuff like that, like really, really, really early.

756
00:54:25,626 --> 00:54:31,686
right like um using like um they use it in scratch now in the schools i've noticed but using like

757
00:54:31,686 --> 00:54:37,146
turtle and a lot of people might really remember that right if you're showing your age right um

758
00:54:37,146 --> 00:54:43,966
you know so so like i always fast was fascinated by computers always fascinated by computers

759
00:54:43,966 --> 00:54:50,506
and uh let me just interject your old man was he was he ever involved in like notting hill carnival

760
00:54:50,506 --> 00:54:53,566
and doing things like that back in the day or not?

761
00:54:53,866 --> 00:54:55,286
Probably, probably.

762
00:54:55,446 --> 00:54:59,186
Like, I've never heard stories of him directly.

763
00:54:59,446 --> 00:55:04,206
Like, one of his mates, right, like, he went on to be, like,

764
00:55:04,226 --> 00:55:07,126
a really kind of involved big DJ in, like,

765
00:55:07,146 --> 00:55:08,486
North West London and North London,

766
00:55:09,126 --> 00:55:11,706
and they had a really decent sound.

767
00:55:12,166 --> 00:55:16,606
And, again, when my dad first came over, they were doing that.

768
00:55:16,606 --> 00:55:19,746
So it wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't, right?

769
00:55:19,746 --> 00:55:22,126
like I've just never had any

770
00:55:22,126 --> 00:55:24,666
direct stories of him saying

771
00:55:24,666 --> 00:55:26,166
hey he was at Notting Hill

772
00:55:26,166 --> 00:55:27,226
Carnival doing this.

773
00:55:27,986 --> 00:55:28,706
Is he still with us?

774
00:55:29,706 --> 00:55:30,586
No he's not.

775
00:55:30,986 --> 00:55:31,546
That's a shame.

776
00:55:31,786 --> 00:55:33,246
So yeah my dad passed

777
00:55:33,288 --> 00:55:37,548
just literally as I was kind of at tools coming towards the end of my teens.

778
00:55:38,288 --> 00:55:40,768
And we never had the best relationship either.

779
00:55:41,288 --> 00:55:44,348
So, you know, we lived together, but we never had like the best relationship.

780
00:55:46,048 --> 00:55:49,928
So, you know, I learned a lot of the stuff looking over his shoulder

781
00:55:49,928 --> 00:55:52,708
rather than it being taught to me by him.

782
00:55:53,648 --> 00:55:55,188
And it's the same with computing.

783
00:55:55,428 --> 00:55:58,348
So I think it's just, you know, me and my other cousin,

784
00:55:58,488 --> 00:56:01,048
we always make jokes about this because there's quite a lot of engineers

785
00:56:01,048 --> 00:56:02,068
in that side of the family.

786
00:56:02,068 --> 00:56:04,368
and we're like, it's just like a tinkerer's thing, isn't it?

787
00:56:04,428 --> 00:56:06,808
You just pick it up maybe from your DNA, right?

788
00:56:07,828 --> 00:56:09,228
And just seeing it around you.

789
00:56:09,348 --> 00:56:10,768
So I just started doing that stuff.

790
00:56:10,848 --> 00:56:12,688
Like I started tinkering with stuff in my bedroom.

791
00:56:13,168 --> 00:56:16,648
Like, you know, like I remember those all-in-one stereos

792
00:56:16,648 --> 00:56:19,168
you used to get with the little deck on top of it, yeah?

793
00:56:19,588 --> 00:56:22,828
Like I remember like I used to take off the old MDF

794
00:56:22,828 --> 00:56:24,128
off the back of those, yeah?

795
00:56:24,548 --> 00:56:26,588
We used to rewire it so that we could wire it

796
00:56:26,588 --> 00:56:28,388
into another cassette recorder

797
00:56:28,388 --> 00:56:30,508
and record multiple cassettes at the same time

798
00:56:30,508 --> 00:56:32,768
and all of these crazy little things, right?

799
00:56:32,828 --> 00:56:35,388
These little experiments that I used to run.

800
00:56:35,388 --> 00:56:40,688
And by the time I got to like 10 years old,

801
00:56:41,128 --> 00:56:42,928
I started ordering computer parts.

802
00:56:43,248 --> 00:56:46,708
So, you know, I'd fake that I was an 18-year-old

803
00:56:46,708 --> 00:56:47,988
because back then mail order, you know,

804
00:56:48,028 --> 00:56:49,188
you used to have the signature part.

805
00:56:49,348 --> 00:56:51,348
They'd say, oh, you know, you have to be over 18 or whatever.

806
00:56:52,068 --> 00:56:55,308
So I used to like write checks and postal orders

807
00:56:55,308 --> 00:56:57,868
and send to buy computer parts, right?

808
00:56:57,988 --> 00:56:59,608
I wanted to put together my own computer.

809
00:56:59,608 --> 00:57:05,368
and then my uncle came and he said uh look you know like he's got a mate that he'll take us over

810
00:57:05,368 --> 00:57:10,968
to and his mate will help us to you know put together the computer or whatever so i start

811
00:57:10,968 --> 00:57:15,048
putting together my own computer i didn't go over there i choose all of these parts that i want

812
00:57:15,048 --> 00:57:19,768
uh from this guy mr sing right he used to call him and he used to be the guy that

813
00:57:19,768 --> 00:57:27,388
he was like the cypherpunk right my uncle's mates right like so uh so he he built this computer for

814
00:57:27,388 --> 00:57:32,168
me and I had like latest graphics card like latest everything and it was like a birthday present from

815
00:57:32,168 --> 00:57:39,648
my dad basically and then I got home and I was like right now how do I how do I dismantle this

816
00:57:39,648 --> 00:57:46,348
right if any if anyone um that's listening has ever read the book Miles and the Screwdriver

817
00:57:46,348 --> 00:57:51,208
yeah like I used that was my favorite book growing up like and it's about a boy who finds a screwdriver

818
00:57:51,208 --> 00:57:57,188
one day um like and he just starts to dismantle everything till he's about to actually pull a

819
00:57:57,188 --> 00:58:00,648
massive screw out of the middle of the world and god kind of comes out of the blue and says

820
00:58:00,648 --> 00:58:06,668
you can't remove that screw bro no you can't remove that screw like if you remove that screw

821
00:58:06,668 --> 00:58:12,688
like you undo so much different things and uh like miles obviously the moral of the story is that

822
00:58:12,688 --> 00:58:17,028
miles learns that there are some things that you can undo and fix yourself and other things that

823
00:58:17,028 --> 00:58:21,748
you shouldn't just really shouldn't undo right but like it was the tinkering aspect of it that

824
00:58:21,748 --> 00:58:27,448
made me like say yeah so um so yeah anyway as i said i got that computer i started then

825
00:58:27,448 --> 00:58:32,368
faffing around with that computer and at the same time i was like you know recording like little

826
00:58:32,368 --> 00:58:38,068
demos like rapping myself i was making beats like on i've been doing that forever like on

827
00:58:38,068 --> 00:58:44,268
little casio keyboard me and my other cousin and um so again it's just like all of this stuff has

828
00:58:44,268 --> 00:58:50,648
just been around me all of this time right so um so going into my teenage years was more

829
00:58:50,648 --> 00:58:58,808
um more just doing like just rapping and production and stuff like that um and you know i used to go

830
00:58:58,808 --> 00:59:03,048
around like doing talent contests and you know like with rap you know you do a lot of like

831
00:59:03,048 --> 00:59:09,368
freestyling and battling and you know cyphers as we call them so we do like a lot of that as well

832
00:59:09,368 --> 00:59:15,548
and then yeah just kind of like got really really known around that the local area for like doing

833
00:59:15,548 --> 00:59:22,908
like being that kind of guy who raps like that right so so then I kind of it kind of tied back

834
00:59:22,908 --> 00:59:29,888
to to the to the music industry in my later teams because I was a naughty kid and I got kicked out

835
00:59:29,888 --> 00:59:35,328
of school and when I got kicked out of school you know back in the day in South London there

836
00:59:35,328 --> 00:59:40,008
were so many different community projects that were like uh black owned community projects right

837
00:59:40,008 --> 00:59:44,208
like it was a lot of like rastafarian community and stuff would run these things so i used to go

838
00:59:44,208 --> 00:59:50,828
to a saturday school right called uh the famous place in dettford called moonshot right um and uh

839
00:59:50,828 --> 00:59:57,588
that was run by like uh these rastafarians right and they introduced me uh palmer uh everyone again

840
00:59:57,588 --> 01:00:01,388
if you're from south london and you hear these names and places you're gonna know exactly what

841
01:00:01,388 --> 01:00:07,008
talking about what i'm talking about but uh palmer the guy who owned the actual moonshot and was

842
01:00:07,008 --> 01:00:15,288
running it he introduced me to this other guy uh steve and steve uh ran this uh community

843
01:00:15,288 --> 01:00:21,108
organization called pma positive mental attitude and what they actually did was teach youth about

844
01:00:21,108 --> 01:00:28,148
sound engineering and video uh editing and stuff like that right so um so i was kicked out of

845
01:00:28,148 --> 01:00:35,608
school nothing else better to do um and ended up started to go to pma so in whilst i was at pma i

846
01:00:35,608 --> 01:00:41,028
mean i've been in studios again i tinkered and all of that other stuff and i was a dj you know

847
01:00:41,028 --> 01:00:46,068
like kid dj throughout all of this time uh used to dj at the youth clubs using our parents decks

848
01:00:46,068 --> 01:00:52,548
and stuff right like in a mixer that we bought from tandy right so um so i was pretty involved

849
01:00:52,548 --> 01:00:57,708
But what that gave me was the actual sound engineering qualification.

850
01:00:58,288 --> 01:01:04,388
So I actually learned studio engineering in that time that I was kicked out of school.

851
01:01:04,988 --> 01:01:11,188
I got a City and Guilds intermediate level City and Guilds qualification from that.

852
01:01:11,568 --> 01:01:14,528
I learned video editing as well.

853
01:01:15,528 --> 01:01:21,208
I actually was interacting with reel-to-reel because this was before Cubase VST.

854
01:01:22,548 --> 01:01:25,248
So I'm an Atari Cubase person.

855
01:01:25,548 --> 01:01:25,728
Yeah.

856
01:01:26,248 --> 01:01:27,928
Like I've used the reel to reel.

857
01:01:28,288 --> 01:01:29,208
I've done the vinyl.

858
01:01:29,648 --> 01:01:30,568
I've done the tape.

859
01:01:31,388 --> 01:01:33,308
You know, I was here in the mini disc era.

860
01:01:33,808 --> 01:01:40,828
So I like to say, like, I've experienced so many different facets of the music industry again, and just music creation through that.

861
01:01:42,208 --> 01:01:48,048
But then again, on the other side, on the computing side, I had the Internet very early as well.

862
01:01:48,508 --> 01:01:50,088
I convinced my uncle is again.

863
01:01:50,088 --> 01:01:55,708
right so i convinced my dad like we got a 14 kb modem and here i was disrupting everybody's

864
01:01:55,708 --> 01:02:02,608
cool time every day right like you know just discovering the internet um you know and uh

865
01:02:02,608 --> 01:02:08,668
then we got a 56k modem like i think i saved up for that one um then i went to dixon's and bought

866
01:02:08,668 --> 01:02:14,468
it right where dixon's and curry's used to exist right like yeah so went to dixon's bought myself

867
01:02:14,468 --> 01:02:16,488
a 56kb modem

868
01:02:16,488 --> 01:02:18,668
installed it and that was

869
01:02:18,668 --> 01:02:20,668
like oh my days

870
01:02:20,668 --> 01:02:21,348
that was like

871
01:02:21,348 --> 01:02:23,688
one TV internet

872
01:02:23,688 --> 01:02:26,548
one GB internet sorry back

873
01:02:26,548 --> 01:02:26,788
then

874
01:02:26,788 --> 01:02:30,728
yeah oh my god like the image is loaded

875
01:02:30,728 --> 01:02:31,908
in under 10 minutes

876
01:02:31,908 --> 01:02:33,308
yeah

877
01:02:33,308 --> 01:02:36,648
and then someone used to pick up the

878
01:02:36,648 --> 01:02:38,488
landline didn't they and then obviously

879
01:02:38,488 --> 01:02:40,048
it would all go haywire right

880
01:02:40,048 --> 01:02:42,548
remember when those filters came

881
01:02:42,548 --> 01:02:44,148
out where you could like that was

882
01:02:44,148 --> 01:02:51,348
innovation i can use the telephone and access the internet at the same time you know something as

883
01:02:51,348 --> 01:02:56,308
simple as that do you know what i mean yeah so so so that's my teenage years right that's my my

884
01:02:56,308 --> 01:03:02,108
childhood teenage formulative years yeah constantly back and forth between the two music

885
01:03:02,108 --> 01:03:09,668
computing music computing and um so if we fast forward is that 90s is that early double o's

886
01:03:09,668 --> 01:03:12,188
Yeah, this is 80s, 90s.

887
01:03:12,368 --> 01:03:14,508
Okay, so who are the musical actors?

888
01:03:14,508 --> 01:03:17,228
I'm an early 80s baby, just put it that way.

889
01:03:17,448 --> 01:03:20,468
So who you're early at that time, who you're listening to?

890
01:03:20,728 --> 01:03:24,808
Like who's inspiring you musically and sonically at that time?

891
01:03:26,328 --> 01:03:32,428
I mean, obviously there's, I would say being in the UK, right,

892
01:03:32,568 --> 01:03:34,968
you had Top of the Pops and the Chacha, right?

893
01:03:34,968 --> 01:03:41,928
So the influence was obviously heavily Britpop and punk music

894
01:03:41,928 --> 01:03:44,228
and stuff that was still going on in the British scene.

895
01:03:44,488 --> 01:03:47,768
But let's say culturally in the household,

896
01:03:48,488 --> 01:03:54,388
it was Peter Tosh, Bob Marley, Bunny Whaler.

897
01:03:55,328 --> 01:03:55,928
Yeah, right.

898
01:03:56,128 --> 01:03:58,328
We had the Dancehall era was obviously kicking off.

899
01:03:58,468 --> 01:04:02,988
So Shabba Ranks and Budja Banton and Beanie Man and Bounty Killer.

900
01:04:02,988 --> 01:04:11,528
you know um and then you have the hip-hop era so like run dmc you know um later on it was uh

901
01:04:11,528 --> 01:04:19,968
what we had run dmc the early days run dmc nwa ist uh meli mel marley mara kim you know that's

902
01:04:19,968 --> 01:04:24,928
all the early days and then later on it became um obviously hip-hop became the thing that i kind of

903
01:04:24,928 --> 01:04:30,948
gravitated towards most but um but you know my cousins well i've got a pretty big family on both

904
01:04:30,948 --> 01:04:36,748
sides my cousins used to come around and then those guys at that age they were like going out

905
01:04:36,748 --> 01:04:40,788
to like the drum and bass raves and that they were like part of the early drum and bass scene and

906
01:04:40,788 --> 01:04:46,068
and everything else and the house rave scene right so i was listening to all of that stuff as well i

907
01:04:46,068 --> 01:04:52,788
was just in taking all of it right and it was just all one melting pot of music um and then my dad

908
01:04:52,788 --> 01:05:01,328
he was more reggae and reg groove and soul and funk like he was very heavy on the funk as well

909
01:05:01,328 --> 01:05:06,608
my dad like so you know i've got lots of family in california as well west coast so

910
01:05:06,608 --> 01:05:12,548
very heavily influenced by the west coast music uh american music as well at the time

911
01:05:12,548 --> 01:05:20,208
um and jazz as well you know um so yeah just everything man like my mom as well she's the

912
01:05:20,208 --> 01:05:24,588
same way she listens to everything i mean she's got her own radio show up until this day right like

913
01:05:24,588 --> 01:05:29,608
she still uh still does all of this stuff she collects everything she listens to everything

914
01:05:29,608 --> 01:05:34,208
like even the stuff that i listen to like my dad would my dad you know we he would he would be like

915
01:05:34,208 --> 01:05:38,868
oh you know that turn off that shit or whatever right like with the hip-hop but my mom was never

916
01:05:38,868 --> 01:05:45,108
like that my mom would be a bit more like she didn't really like the explicit stuff so much but

917
01:05:45,108 --> 01:05:50,048
you know she understood that they got a message right to put across right so um

918
01:05:50,208 --> 01:05:52,568
she wasn't really so much on this business.

919
01:05:52,768 --> 01:05:53,808
She would always be saying like,

920
01:05:53,828 --> 01:05:53,968
oh,

921
01:05:53,988 --> 01:05:56,348
why they got to be saying bitch this or fuck this or whatever.

922
01:05:56,728 --> 01:05:58,348
Like why they got to be saying all that shit.

923
01:05:58,408 --> 01:05:58,748
She's like,

924
01:05:58,768 --> 01:05:59,588
it's good music,

925
01:05:59,788 --> 01:06:00,288
but they just,

926
01:06:00,688 --> 01:06:01,588
why are they swearing?

927
01:06:02,368 --> 01:06:03,348
That's what I always say.

928
01:06:03,508 --> 01:06:04,708
After that we're in this debate,

929
01:06:04,868 --> 01:06:06,208
literally two days ago,

930
01:06:06,268 --> 01:06:07,648
we were having this debate again.

931
01:06:07,808 --> 01:06:08,928
And we were like,

932
01:06:08,968 --> 01:06:09,688
it's the emphasis,

933
01:06:09,928 --> 01:06:10,008
mom,

934
01:06:10,088 --> 01:06:10,248
like,

935
01:06:10,348 --> 01:06:10,848
you know,

936
01:06:11,288 --> 01:06:13,528
when you're putting your fucking heart and soul into the music,

937
01:06:13,988 --> 01:06:14,848
like I've just said,

938
01:06:14,888 --> 01:06:15,148
fucking,

939
01:06:15,148 --> 01:06:16,068
you want to fucking say,

940
01:06:16,148 --> 01:06:16,428
fuck it.

941
01:06:16,528 --> 01:06:17,208
Like you don't want to,

942
01:06:17,228 --> 01:06:20,148
you don't want to replace it with some other,

943
01:06:20,208 --> 01:06:26,628
softcore word right that is what we say fuck spotify yeah instead of cancel spotify um so

944
01:06:26,628 --> 01:06:32,648
did i catch that right did you just say that your mum does a radio show roge yeah yeah my mum still

945
01:06:32,648 --> 01:06:39,468
still runs a radio show now she uh she's legacy uh no way why don't you get her to play some v4v

946
01:06:39,468 --> 01:06:45,488
and create a she is she is going to be hooked up and that's what i'm saying as i'm just because

947
01:06:45,488 --> 01:06:51,728
you know obviously i'm doing the studio next door yeah so i'm rebuilding i'm rebuilding the studio

948
01:06:51,728 --> 01:06:56,988
next door as as you know right like and once i've got the studio rebuilt next door and i've done my

949
01:06:56,988 --> 01:07:02,608
own hookup and set it up and i've got i've ironed out the kinks shall i say right because if i go to

950
01:07:02,608 --> 01:07:07,368
her now and talk about it it's just going to be like every two seconds she'll be calling me with

951
01:07:07,368 --> 01:07:11,688
some problem right so i've got to iron out the kinks and find a way to make it very easy to

952
01:07:11,688 --> 01:07:18,068
on board her but um i will be bringing her to the v4v space so that she can um she can have her show

953
01:07:18,068 --> 01:07:24,808
you know bounced off for the fountain or that'll be epic i can't wait to hear that and that's mum

954
01:07:24,808 --> 01:07:32,488
presenting a v4v show i mean that'd be awesome i'd love that love that so um so yeah so basically

955
01:07:32,488 --> 01:07:37,288
this is why you're a bitcoiner that book that favorite book child's book what did you say it

956
01:07:37,288 --> 01:07:44,688
was andy and his screwdriver miles and the screwdriver like unscrewing that final screw

957
01:07:44,688 --> 01:07:49,708
you know you're unplugging the fiat world aren't we i mean basically that is a metaphor

958
01:07:49,708 --> 01:07:56,208
for where we are right now right you are you're staring at that final screw

959
01:07:56,208 --> 01:08:03,868
and you're wanting to unscrew it and and exactly and and that's where you where you just said that

960
01:08:03,868 --> 01:08:08,788
discovery of bitcoin i didn't get to that part but the discovery of bitcoin for me and i was

961
01:08:08,788 --> 01:08:12,048
literally talking to again in the same conversation i was having my mom funny enough

962
01:08:12,048 --> 01:08:17,968
and um we i was going back and forth on like what i learned from being in both households

963
01:08:17,968 --> 01:08:22,868
mom and dad split up when i was pretty young so from being in each household i learned different

964
01:08:22,868 --> 01:08:29,488
things in my dad's side of the family everybody's like very qualified kind of like you know uh go to

965
01:08:29,488 --> 01:08:34,608
school go to uni you know study get your phd you know get a job whatever right kind of thing

966
01:08:34,608 --> 01:08:39,748
um and that's my dad's side of the family but my mom's side of the family is more like rebels it's

967
01:08:39,748 --> 01:08:45,568
like all creative and like do your own thing and build your own be your own self right like um

968
01:08:45,568 --> 01:08:49,308
and don't get me wrong there's loads of people that are very highly qualified in my mom's side

969
01:08:49,308 --> 01:08:55,248
of the family as well but you know my aunties my uncles they've always run grassroots uh

970
01:08:55,248 --> 01:09:01,688
organizations right they still do up until now like my my granddad was a you know the qualified

971
01:09:01,688 --> 01:09:08,828
lawyer right had his own law firm for um you know uh the rights the civil rights era right like during

972
01:09:08,828 --> 01:09:14,228
the civil rights era that's what he started that for like i learned uh you know like i literally

973
01:09:14,228 --> 01:09:19,468
had like black panther style education in my mom's household yeah right and in my dad's household it

974
01:09:19,468 --> 01:09:31,644
was a pretty much like hey we in the uk now let kind of like get along you know like and my Mum household was pretty much like we still have to kind of fight for our rights in this country as well Right And we have a similar plight everywhere right

975
01:09:31,644 --> 01:09:33,724
As black and brown people. Right.

976
01:09:33,724 --> 01:09:39,284
So the freedom aspect of things that very, very easily hit me, right.

977
01:09:39,344 --> 01:09:42,624
Like, you know, as I said, during my younger days in my teens,

978
01:09:43,144 --> 01:09:44,204
now I was a naughty boy. Right.

979
01:09:44,284 --> 01:09:48,984
So like I've always been kind of anti-established,

980
01:09:48,984 --> 01:09:53,144
I've known the difference between being anti-establishment

981
01:09:53,144 --> 01:09:55,644
for the sake of being anti-establishment.

982
01:09:55,724 --> 01:09:57,984
I suppose in your teens and your early 20s, you do that.

983
01:09:58,044 --> 01:10:00,504
You're just anti-establishment for the sake of being anti-establishment.

984
01:10:01,184 --> 01:10:05,004
But I suppose I've always had the upbringing of learning

985
01:10:05,004 --> 01:10:08,944
why you should be somewhat anti-establishment

986
01:10:08,944 --> 01:10:12,204
or why you should be establishment-wary, yeah?

987
01:10:12,544 --> 01:10:14,904
Not necessarily anti-establishment.

988
01:10:14,904 --> 01:10:23,864
So discovering Bitcoin and then kind of realizing what it was, I mean, obviously I palmed it off as most of us do the first couple of times.

989
01:10:24,404 --> 01:10:31,104
But as I came down to the realization, I read the white paper, read the white paper and then really understand what this is.

990
01:10:32,324 --> 01:10:41,664
Then it's like, wow, we do have something, a tool that we can use to actually fight back against all of this control.

991
01:10:41,664 --> 01:10:47,684
yeah right and um this mindset that we've all been fed from you know stepping on each other's

992
01:10:47,684 --> 01:10:54,164
heads all the time right from from birth um so yeah and that's that that instantly made me a

993
01:10:54,164 --> 01:10:57,984
bitcoiner like just instantly at that time even though i didn't understand everything about it

994
01:10:57,984 --> 01:11:04,804
still it was that the freedom aspect mostly that resonated with me i was like we can really say

995
01:11:04,804 --> 01:11:10,304
fuck the system with this shit right like so yeah i think my computing my knowledge of computing

996
01:11:10,304 --> 01:11:16,804
enabled me to get over the hill of of is it something real that can it actually work right

997
01:11:16,804 --> 01:11:21,704
um whereas most people don't get over that hill for a very long time because they don't

998
01:11:21,704 --> 01:11:28,004
technically understand what it is right um you know but my understanding technically of it was

999
01:11:28,004 --> 01:11:34,544
very i wouldn't say like a developer level right or anything at the time but you know i understood

1000
01:11:34,544 --> 01:11:39,764
enough to know that this is really really real and i understood i understand pgp signatures right

1001
01:11:39,764 --> 01:11:46,384
So downloaded a copy of the QT wallet, downloaded a copy of the chain,

1002
01:11:46,664 --> 01:11:49,724
verified PGP keys, bro, it works the way it's supposed to work.

1003
01:11:50,024 --> 01:11:51,224
It's as simple as that.

1004
01:11:52,184 --> 01:11:55,144
So, yeah, I was happy with that from that time.

1005
01:11:55,204 --> 01:11:56,284
Yeah, that's what they say, don't they?

1006
01:11:56,384 --> 01:12:01,284
You know, people come for the number go up and then they stay for the kind of principle

1007
01:12:01,284 --> 01:12:06,324
and, like you say, that freedom aspect of it and the fact that it can unleash the shackles

1008
01:12:06,324 --> 01:12:08,124
and it can fix many things.

1009
01:12:08,124 --> 01:12:10,784
But yeah, it's the greed aspect.

1010
01:12:10,944 --> 01:12:13,224
It's a number go up technology that kind of, you know,

1011
01:12:13,244 --> 01:12:16,824
makes people like aware of it, hyper aware of it.

1012
01:12:16,964 --> 01:12:20,044
But then once they're in it for a little while and they actually go,

1013
01:12:20,164 --> 01:12:22,304
you know what, there's potential for this,

1014
01:12:22,404 --> 01:12:24,224
for doing like really profound things.

1015
01:12:24,284 --> 01:12:24,944
That's what I love.

1016
01:12:25,304 --> 01:12:27,644
Anyway, so we've learned a little bit about the man.

1017
01:12:27,804 --> 01:12:30,204
How about we check out some of his tunes?

1018
01:12:30,464 --> 01:12:35,344
So the next song we've got lined up is The Scope of Hope.

1019
01:12:35,344 --> 01:12:37,664
This is from the Just Jewels album

1020
01:12:37,664 --> 01:12:39,624
And this is from the man himself

1021
01:12:39,624 --> 01:12:41,804
G-O-L-D

1022
01:12:41,804 --> 01:12:45,304
Ah

1023
01:12:45,304 --> 01:12:47,364
Gold

1024
01:12:47,364 --> 01:12:48,684
Ace

1025
01:12:48,684 --> 01:12:50,164
Another one

1026
01:12:50,164 --> 01:12:51,584
Enyark

1027
01:12:51,584 --> 01:12:55,924
You know I always gotta put the truth in the bars right

1028
01:12:55,924 --> 01:12:59,344
Just listen you'll understand

1029
01:12:59,344 --> 01:13:01,124
Don't give up hope

1030
01:13:01,124 --> 01:13:04,444
Thought word actualize

1031
01:13:04,444 --> 01:13:07,264
Come alive and metamorphosize right in front of your eyes

1032
01:13:07,264 --> 01:13:09,084
That prize, a lucky lotto

1033
01:13:09,084 --> 01:13:12,084
Is the recipe nice or is it possibly all lies?

1034
01:13:12,344 --> 01:13:15,564
Poisoning the growth of what will be molded to become all life

1035
01:13:15,564 --> 01:13:18,884
Sparked from an idea, wasn't really one being's ideal

1036
01:13:18,884 --> 01:13:21,084
Can't be sleeping, gotta be peeping

1037
01:13:21,084 --> 01:13:22,584
With your third eye still

1038
01:13:22,584 --> 01:13:25,584
Dreaming, scheming on yourself should be your worst nightmare

1039
01:13:25,584 --> 01:13:27,604
Sleeping on yourself, you ain't awake

1040
01:13:27,604 --> 01:13:30,204
Walking dead, food for somebody hawking

1041
01:13:30,204 --> 01:13:33,304
End up stuck between the lines, drawn and chalking by the feds

1042
01:13:33,304 --> 01:13:35,744
Started off small now everything is a test

1043
01:13:35,744 --> 01:13:36,864
To stress your best

1044
01:13:36,864 --> 01:13:40,344
Till you step into some shit and slip into a vipers nest

1045
01:13:40,344 --> 01:13:41,664
Or a crab barrel

1046
01:13:41,664 --> 01:13:43,344
Better be a straight shooter

1047
01:13:43,344 --> 01:13:44,984
Ready to strike the Hydra

1048
01:13:44,984 --> 01:13:46,784
Like an arrow or lightning bolt

1049
01:13:46,784 --> 01:13:49,704
Possibly a little shot with something from the folks

1050
01:13:49,704 --> 01:13:51,944
In their minds is where they really need to vote

1051
01:13:51,944 --> 01:13:53,504
Fuck a sound bite and quote

1052
01:13:53,504 --> 01:13:55,104
If you're reading these notes

1053
01:13:55,104 --> 01:13:57,104
A cast from a pod in the future

1054
01:13:57,104 --> 01:13:59,904
At the edge of where the next dimension envelopes

1055
01:13:59,904 --> 01:14:01,024
What's the scope?

1056
01:14:02,104 --> 01:14:03,224
What's the scope?

1057
01:14:03,304 --> 01:14:07,544
You've given up all hope, you've given up all time on some treepope

1058
01:14:07,544 --> 01:14:10,604
Those who concocted the whole scheme, see us as a joke

1059
01:14:10,604 --> 01:14:14,044
Our people went from the end of to walking on the very tight rope

1060
01:14:14,044 --> 01:14:17,764
You've given up all hope, you've given up all time on some treepope

1061
01:14:17,764 --> 01:14:20,824
Those who concocted the whole scheme, see us as a joke

1062
01:14:20,824 --> 01:14:24,264
People went from the end of to walking on the very tight rope

1063
01:14:24,264 --> 01:14:26,704
And still can't see that every point is choked

1064
01:14:26,704 --> 01:14:29,664
No airtime, I don't play, life is not fair time

1065
01:14:29,664 --> 01:14:32,124
In 24, people still want me on their time

1066
01:14:32,124 --> 01:14:34,624
Wasted, I manifest dreams, I don't chase them

1067
01:14:34,624 --> 01:14:37,124
The manuscript man made over generations

1068
01:14:37,124 --> 01:14:39,164
Most of these man just copy pasted

1069
01:14:39,164 --> 01:14:40,664
Cookie cut and re-rolled

1070
01:14:40,664 --> 01:14:42,584
We rolled up and set the pace

1071
01:14:42,584 --> 01:14:44,584
Eh, behold how we mold

1072
01:14:44,584 --> 01:14:46,644
They like raw, he's top of the card

1073
01:14:46,644 --> 01:14:48,444
Yeah, even with the hallmark

1074
01:14:48,444 --> 01:14:49,724
He still could've be gold

1075
01:14:49,724 --> 01:14:52,024
In the lab, flaming the pad, the pen

1076
01:14:52,024 --> 01:14:54,244
Bun, son, bars, I got a ton

1077
01:14:54,244 --> 01:14:55,444
Yours are just tungsten

1078
01:14:55,444 --> 01:14:57,884
Took a long time to flip the method of hustling

1079
01:14:57,884 --> 01:15:00,084
So now it's not how, it's just when

1080
01:15:00,084 --> 01:15:02,704
It's not how, it's just when

1081
01:15:02,704 --> 01:15:03,884
Listen

1082
01:15:03,884 --> 01:15:06,544
You've given up all hope

1083
01:15:06,544 --> 01:15:08,804
You've given up all time on some tree poke

1084
01:15:08,804 --> 01:15:10,744
Those who concocted a whole scheme

1085
01:15:10,744 --> 01:15:11,884
See us as a joke

1086
01:15:11,884 --> 01:15:13,664
Our people went from the end of

1087
01:15:13,664 --> 01:15:15,304
To walking on a very tight rope

1088
01:15:15,304 --> 01:15:16,744
You've given up all hope

1089
01:15:16,744 --> 01:15:18,964
You've given up all time on some tree poke

1090
01:15:18,964 --> 01:15:20,944
Those who concocted a whole scheme

1091
01:15:20,944 --> 01:15:22,084
See us as a joke

1092
01:15:22,084 --> 01:15:23,844
The people went from the end of

1093
01:15:23,844 --> 01:15:25,584
To walking on a very tight rope

1094
01:15:25,584 --> 01:15:26,624
So what's the scope?

1095
01:15:30,084 --> 01:15:31,744
This ain't a joke.

1096
01:15:34,484 --> 01:15:36,824
You ain't never going to get out by fighting the power.

1097
01:15:38,064 --> 01:15:40,384
The only way you're going to do it is by taking the power.

1098
01:15:41,204 --> 01:15:41,944
And it's our hour.

1099
01:15:42,464 --> 01:15:42,824
Listen.

1100
01:15:45,884 --> 01:15:50,764
And the thing is that central authorities and money traditionally are used as levers of power.

1101
01:15:51,404 --> 01:16:00,024
Either to inflate a currency and cause it to lose value, which is essentially a form of confiscation or hidden taxation.

1102
01:16:00,084 --> 01:16:03,684
when your savings account depletes in its purchasing power

1103
01:16:03,684 --> 01:16:07,424
because the central government is printing money to finance its own activities.

1104
01:16:08,164 --> 01:16:13,124
So, you know, the idea of a decentralized currency is important

1105
01:16:13,124 --> 01:16:18,064
because it removes those levers of power that people can exploit to corrupt a currency.

1106
01:16:18,064 --> 01:16:35,604
that was the scope of hope from the just jewels album from g-o-l-d so then g-o-l-d is your is that

1107
01:16:35,604 --> 01:16:41,224
is that your performing name is that you know what people in your your area your local community know

1108
01:16:41,224 --> 01:16:50,004
you as yeah yeah like um it's had evolution over time right uh a bit of a funny story is when i was

1109
01:16:50,004 --> 01:16:55,164
a kid and i was writing and then you know i was rapping and stuff i used to uh my aunt bought me

1110
01:16:55,164 --> 01:17:01,404
a sovereign ring once you know as your aunts do right one of those big old gold rings yeah

1111
01:17:01,404 --> 01:17:08,924
so so as as your your your uncle does in the uk and in ireland right especially in ireland right

1112
01:17:08,924 --> 01:17:11,664
Like, you know, they buy you a bit of gold, right?

1113
01:17:11,784 --> 01:17:13,424
Like, you know, as you're growing up.

1114
01:17:13,604 --> 01:17:15,424
And my auntie bought me a sovereign ring.

1115
01:17:15,864 --> 01:17:19,164
And they were all the rage at that time, weren't they, in the 90s, right?

1116
01:17:19,244 --> 01:17:23,464
So she bought me this sovereign ring, and then I started to collect them.

1117
01:17:23,884 --> 01:17:27,844
So people, they just started calling me, like, Goldfinger.

1118
01:17:28,124 --> 01:17:29,664
Like, it was funny, right?

1119
01:17:29,724 --> 01:17:32,024
So I ran with that name for a little while.

1120
01:17:32,024 --> 01:17:34,004
I must have been about 10 or 11 at this point, right?

1121
01:17:34,004 --> 01:17:35,684
So I ran with that name for a little while.

1122
01:17:37,304 --> 01:17:38,884
But everyone just used to call me Gold.

1123
01:17:38,924 --> 01:17:46,264
didn't it for sure so they were just like yeah gold man gold gold right like and uh you know i

1124
01:17:46,264 --> 01:17:52,524
kind of kept it into probably my early teens and then when i was uh you know doing my my kind of

1125
01:17:52,524 --> 01:18:01,764
like uh as i said my my bad teen uh uh things it kind of changed right so people weren't calling me

1126
01:18:01,764 --> 01:18:08,564
gold anymore for for a minute um and then so it was like the people that who knew that i did music

1127
01:18:08,564 --> 01:18:12,104
would call me gold but everybody else would call me something else right like i had a different

1128
01:18:12,104 --> 01:18:21,404
nickname i'm not gonna get into that but yeah so um so anyway so uh years later i decided that i

1129
01:18:21,404 --> 01:18:26,624
would go back to using that name because i didn't really like the other the street name kind of one

1130
01:18:26,624 --> 01:18:33,304
right and it was funny enough i have a cousin who has a cousin on his side that had the same

1131
01:18:33,304 --> 01:18:38,924
street name as me and because we lived in the same vicinity people would get people mixed up like do

1132
01:18:38,924 --> 01:18:44,764
you know this guy right like but like um so you know it almost ended ended up in us not getting

1133
01:18:44,764 --> 01:18:49,424
into problems with each other because i was actually rolling with the crew that he didn't

1134
01:18:49,424 --> 01:18:54,864
his crew didn't really get on with and we didn't really get on with them right but then we ended up

1135
01:18:54,864 --> 01:19:01,124
kind of meeting each other through mutual cousin and uh it was like yeah so then we both ended up

1136
01:19:01,124 --> 01:19:04,144
changing our names later for, for music, right?

1137
01:19:04,164 --> 01:19:05,524
Because it was like, we can't,

1138
01:19:05,784 --> 01:19:07,344
because everyone's going to think it's that one,

1139
01:19:07,504 --> 01:19:08,964
it's the other guy or whatever, right?

1140
01:19:08,984 --> 01:19:10,764
So it's funny how that came all about.

1141
01:19:11,244 --> 01:19:13,884
So, so at the time I just broke it down.

1142
01:19:13,984 --> 01:19:16,584
I took the gold and just broke it into an acronym instead.

1143
01:19:17,504 --> 01:19:20,264
So the acronym stands for getting over, living dangerously.

1144
01:19:20,264 --> 01:19:25,524
Cause I felt like I was at the other side of that kind of street,

1145
01:19:25,964 --> 01:19:30,424
you know, kind of being, this was, it went into my twenties, right?

1146
01:19:30,424 --> 01:19:32,984
Like I'd had my daughter by this time, my first daughter and everything.

1147
01:19:32,984 --> 01:19:37,844
And I was like, yeah, I'm still in touch with that life,

1148
01:19:38,144 --> 01:19:40,684
but I'm trying to move away from it, you know?

1149
01:19:40,844 --> 01:19:44,164
So it made me break it down into an acronym.

1150
01:19:45,564 --> 01:19:47,784
And that was it from there, really and truthfully.

1151
01:19:47,884 --> 01:19:52,504
That's how that kind of came about, yeah, in terms of identity.

1152
01:19:52,644 --> 01:19:56,564
Yeah, you've just brought up a horrible moment, Sovereign Rings,

1153
01:19:56,684 --> 01:20:00,344
because I remember there was this guy at school called James Farden,

1154
01:20:00,424 --> 01:20:02,304
and he was an athletic guy.

1155
01:20:02,384 --> 01:20:03,784
I think he was a javelin thrower.

1156
01:20:03,884 --> 01:20:04,604
He was an athlete.

1157
01:20:04,844 --> 01:20:06,164
Basically, he was a really tall,

1158
01:20:06,364 --> 01:20:08,924
one of these guys that developed really early at school,

1159
01:20:09,044 --> 01:20:10,524
really tall, really strong.

1160
01:20:11,364 --> 01:20:13,624
And he could punch really hard.

1161
01:20:13,684 --> 01:20:14,304
Because you know at school,

1162
01:20:14,364 --> 01:20:16,664
we used to punch each other on the arms, didn't we?

1163
01:20:16,744 --> 01:20:17,504
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1164
01:20:17,504 --> 01:20:18,064
Pinch punch.

1165
01:20:18,264 --> 01:20:19,104
Yeah, all of that.

1166
01:20:19,664 --> 01:20:22,044
Basically, he was like one of two people

1167
01:20:22,044 --> 01:20:24,524
that wore a sovereign ring.

1168
01:20:24,864 --> 01:20:27,284
So if the punch didn't hurt enough already,

1169
01:20:27,484 --> 01:20:27,924
do you know what I mean?

1170
01:20:27,964 --> 01:20:29,144
He'd go around and go, bang!

1171
01:20:29,144 --> 01:20:31,564
He had the sovereign ring on there as well.

1172
01:20:31,764 --> 01:20:34,364
Oh, my God, it would bend your arm for weeks.

1173
01:20:34,564 --> 01:20:35,044
Do you know what I mean?

1174
01:20:36,024 --> 01:20:38,364
Anyway, apologies to Andy Prince.

1175
01:20:38,424 --> 01:20:41,004
We didn't actually go back and talk about his track.

1176
01:20:41,104 --> 01:20:43,104
We played Blow Out the Candles earlier.

1177
01:20:43,284 --> 01:20:46,804
So I just want to circle back and go back to Andy Prince.

1178
01:20:46,804 --> 01:20:49,544
Tell me a little bit about Andy Prince, how you met the dude.

1179
01:20:50,104 --> 01:20:51,984
I obviously met him at Bricks London as well.

1180
01:20:52,104 --> 01:20:54,064
He was one of the performers last year.

1181
01:20:54,164 --> 01:20:54,824
He's a top fella.

1182
01:20:54,824 --> 01:21:00,204
and he's got penchant for wearing bright orange Bitcoin hoodies

1183
01:21:00,204 --> 01:21:03,444
because I think every time I've met him, he's wore his Bitcoin hoodie.

1184
01:21:04,584 --> 01:21:08,164
Yeah, he's representing through the culture.

1185
01:21:08,164 --> 01:21:11,704
Again, every facet of the culture, you've got to represent somehow.

1186
01:21:12,184 --> 01:21:17,564
But yeah, man, Andy, I actually crossed paths with Andy previously.

1187
01:21:18,084 --> 01:21:20,504
I met him through Eclipse officially.

1188
01:21:20,504 --> 01:21:26,764
right however i crossed paths with him previously because one of my cousins that i work with

1189
01:21:26,764 --> 01:21:33,084
musically jimmy screech um he had done some work with him in the past and uh you know the label

1190
01:21:33,084 --> 01:21:40,184
that jimmy was signed to uh matt music north northwest london uh record label uh basically

1191
01:21:40,184 --> 01:21:46,824
jimmy screech is the protege of roots maneuver yeah right so um so it's all that kind of northwest

1192
01:21:46,824 --> 01:21:52,584
London crowd and and you know Andy um Andy grew up around that crowd so we'd cross paths through

1193
01:21:52,584 --> 01:21:57,824
you know work of his work with Jimmy but we'd never um because he's an instrumentalist as well

1194
01:21:57,824 --> 01:22:04,784
he plays like uh I think it's uh the trumpet um and some other instruments as well so um so he was

1195
01:22:04,784 --> 01:22:10,164
doing like a lot of band stuff at that time when we'd crossed paths originally so yeah that was it

1196
01:22:10,164 --> 01:22:15,924
and we met we met again through clips and you know um I was finally able to understand that this was

1197
01:22:15,924 --> 01:22:22,344
the guy that was also the same guy and uh you know got to talking and stuff and um yeah like he's just

1198
01:22:22,344 --> 01:22:28,424
he's just been very passionate i mean he he discovered bitcoin and through ethereum in 2017

1199
01:22:28,424 --> 01:22:34,044
but he just never really gotten back into it he started getting and getting into the nft stuff

1200
01:22:34,044 --> 01:22:38,564
when it started popping off but he never launched anything and he was just like you know he just

1201
01:22:38,564 --> 01:22:43,764
couldn't get his head around everything so once i explained to him like hey bitcoin bruv you know

1202
01:22:43,764 --> 01:22:48,644
not crypto went and had he studied his own research and he came back and he was just like

1203
01:22:48,644 --> 01:22:53,124
yeah i'm in bro like what do you want me to do you know what we've got to do and and up to now

1204
01:22:53,124 --> 01:22:57,984
he's very instrumental in that a lot of the stuff that we do 21 fully music as well right he throws

1205
01:22:57,984 --> 01:23:03,704
a lot of ideas into the table and helps to to admin some stuff in the background so um so yeah

1206
01:23:03,704 --> 01:23:10,044
that's handy but that blow out the candles i know to him is represents his upbringing and him as a

1207
01:23:10,044 --> 01:23:25,920
person yeah right so i know that why he chose the track person yeah i know um longy speaks of him highly as well i guess it must be the trumpet thing as well and i think they they crossed paths you know quite a few years ago as well So I know Lange speaks highly of him So yeah no thanks for that explanation

1208
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,280
So tell us a bit about your tune that we just played,

1209
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:30,180
The Scope of Hope.

1210
01:23:31,660 --> 01:23:39,040
So Scope of Hope, obviously, in all of my time being around music,

1211
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:41,360
I was the guy that never put stuff out, right?

1212
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:50,080
like so i've got like tons of stuff but um it got to a point where i wasn't really rapping as much

1213
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:54,660
i wanted to do production and i wanted to do stuff in the background because i realized that the

1214
01:23:54,660 --> 01:24:01,680
rapper is you know again learning in that era of um the 90s uh learning the sound engineering

1215
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:07,280
i learned that the rapper kind of doesn't see the bigger picture all the time the rapper kind of

1216
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:12,740
comes in they're like they get exploited in other words right like many musicians do from all

1217
01:24:12,740 --> 01:24:18,460
different genres um you know and it happens a lot in the pop industry with singers right you know

1218
01:24:18,460 --> 01:24:23,320
they have a lot of songwriters come in write all the songs they don't own any of the song lyrics

1219
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:30,020
they don't own anything right so learning about music business while i was at pma right so you

1220
01:24:30,020 --> 01:24:39,780
know copyright um you know trademarking uh patent in like prs mcps like ppl all of that stuff i

1221
01:24:39,780 --> 01:24:44,520
learned when i was a teenager right in the 90s so like i knew about all that stuff for a very long

1222
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:51,860
time then my my elder sister right my she's like the eldest of us on my mom's side um she was like

1223
01:24:51,860 --> 01:24:58,720
she's considered like one of the earliest female rappers right she had like um she did a lot of

1224
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:05,260
work you know she had a top 40 song did a lot of work um during in in the 80s and the 90s with lots

1225
01:25:05,260 --> 01:25:12,960
of musicians so i grew up around all of the rappers you know with uh um the um uh the concert in in

1226
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:18,520
manchester i bought blade up there right like blade is like the guy when it comes to independent

1227
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:24,740
uk music and i think independent music globally because he was the first guy to pre-sell his music

1228
01:25:24,740 --> 01:25:31,600
independently right like ever right so um so but all of these people i grew up around right because

1229
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:37,540
of my sisters um and my cousin jimmy because of that they're a bit older than me so their

1230
01:25:37,540 --> 01:25:41,640
affiliation and their work here within the space and then me learning all of what i learned at a

1231
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:48,500
young age just put me around all of the people that i needed to be around right um so with so

1232
01:25:48,500 --> 01:25:54,400
it brings me back to like again like this scope of hope idea right when i put out this this this

1233
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:55,200
this album

1234
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:56,700
Josh Jules

1235
01:25:56,700 --> 01:25:57,180
yeah

1236
01:25:57,180 --> 01:25:58,900
it's me kind of saying

1237
01:25:58,900 --> 01:26:00,600
okay here's a few gems

1238
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:01,120
right

1239
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:02,020
here's a few gems

1240
01:26:02,020 --> 01:26:02,460
it's not

1241
01:26:02,460 --> 01:26:03,480
this is not the

1242
01:26:03,480 --> 01:26:04,760
this is not like

1243
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:05,1000
the album album yet

1244
01:26:05,1000 --> 01:26:07,260
this is not even the debut

1245
01:26:07,260 --> 01:26:08,760
because that is a collaborative album

1246
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:09,640
that I did with a label

1247
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:10,580
called Enyark Music

1248
01:26:10,580 --> 01:26:10,960
right

1249
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:12,040
who we work with

1250
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:13,140
quite frequently

1251
01:26:13,140 --> 01:26:14,120
and that's run by a guy

1252
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:15,040
called DJ Trickstar

1253
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:15,640
who used to run

1254
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:17,020
an agency called

1255
01:26:17,020 --> 01:26:17,780
Park Street PR

1256
01:26:17,780 --> 01:26:19,140
so he's very well known

1257
01:26:19,140 --> 01:26:20,660
in the UK hip hop industry

1258
01:26:20,660 --> 01:26:22,900
you know like

1259
01:26:22,900 --> 01:26:24,200
and they've got a crew

1260
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:25,420
of guys putting out stuff,

1261
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:26,720
Eclipse was working with them

1262
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:27,800
and he was like,

1263
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:28,020
bro,

1264
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:28,1000
like we still haven't done

1265
01:26:28,1000 --> 01:26:29,620
nothing together,

1266
01:26:29,700 --> 01:26:29,900
you know,

1267
01:26:29,900 --> 01:26:30,840
like let's do a project.

1268
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:33,680
So this Josh Jules project

1269
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:34,380
for me,

1270
01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:35,240
putting this out

1271
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:35,880
is like,

1272
01:26:36,620 --> 01:26:38,080
I'm rapping again,

1273
01:26:38,180 --> 01:26:38,400
yeah,

1274
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:39,720
I'm putting out stuff now,

1275
01:26:39,820 --> 01:26:40,080
yeah,

1276
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:42,220
but it's just gems

1277
01:26:42,220 --> 01:26:43,060
I'm putting in this.

1278
01:26:43,180 --> 01:26:43,420
I'm not,

1279
01:26:43,460 --> 01:26:43,820
I'm not,

1280
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:45,560
I'm not like,

1281
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:46,840
this isn't everything yet.

1282
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:47,560
This isn't like

1283
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:49,340
what I'm putting out there as,

1284
01:26:49,820 --> 01:26:50,580
I think some people

1285
01:26:50,580 --> 01:26:52,260
view music to a degree

1286
01:26:52,260 --> 01:26:52,440
as,

1287
01:26:52,540 --> 01:26:52,680
oh,

1288
01:26:52,700 --> 01:26:53,540
I'm putting this out there

1289
01:26:53,540 --> 01:26:55,740
it's my big bang project or whatever, right?

1290
01:26:55,860 --> 01:26:57,780
And I wouldn't say that it's that,

1291
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:01,880
but what I'd say is it's a body of work in which I decided to start putting the

1292
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:04,060
message in, as we said, right, in there.

1293
01:27:04,460 --> 01:27:07,340
But it's for more underground hip hop perspective.

1294
01:27:07,860 --> 01:27:13,180
Whereas my kind of, um, my kind of personal music flavor, I can flip,

1295
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:16,020
I can be on hip hop, the most underground hip hop beat,

1296
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:18,840
and you can throw in a dance hall and I'll jump on that.

1297
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:20,440
You can throw in some reggae, I'll jump on that.

1298
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:21,760
You throw in some grime, I'll jump on that.

1299
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:26,320
you're throwing some dmb i can do this on anything like it doesn't matter like and when we were

1300
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:30,900
growing up that was like a big thing for us you know like we'll come to your rave mate like and

1301
01:27:30,900 --> 01:27:35,780
you know you got your mcs there or whatever bro throw on whatever beat without a beat we can still

1302
01:27:35,780 --> 01:27:40,1000
do it bro it don't matter like we're not gonna run out of lyrics for now right so um so yeah so

1303
01:27:40,1000 --> 01:27:46,120
with the just jewels project it's about throwing those gems in so with scope of hope specifically

1304
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:53,860
like the song for me is about kind of like saying to people like there is the scope of hope is there

1305
01:27:53,860 --> 01:27:59,440
right you have there is a scope for all this hope that people have got because people i think

1306
01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:04,580
when they're voting and trying to liaise with politicians or whatever it's just pure hoping

1307
01:28:04,580 --> 01:28:11,440
bro pure trust me bro that you're relying on right like so in that track i wanted to kind of describe

1308
01:28:11,440 --> 01:28:14,400
Like that, look, you know, they've given you that scope.

1309
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:16,460
Yeah, they've given you that scope.

1310
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:19,540
And that's what you believe that the scope is, right?

1311
01:28:19,940 --> 01:28:22,880
It's all just printed money and that's all about that, right?

1312
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:25,700
Like, but that's not actually what it is.

1313
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:29,120
If you actually flipped it over and saw what was happening on the inside,

1314
01:28:29,500 --> 01:28:32,580
you'd realize you've got a much wider scope here, yeah?

1315
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:35,960
And, you know, Bitcoin obviously is the underlying tool

1316
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:39,700
that we can use to put that forward, you know?

1317
01:28:39,700 --> 01:28:44,760
So, yeah, so that's what that track is generally about and the project itself, yeah.

1318
01:28:44,900 --> 01:28:49,820
So is there like a Bitcoin-inspired philosophy behind it then, beyond that track?

1319
01:28:49,1000 --> 01:28:51,660
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1320
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:54,240
I mean, the first two lines, obviously, in the hook is like,

1321
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:58,660
you've given up all hope, you've given up all time on some tree pulp, yeah, right?

1322
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:03,840
So, you know, you're giving up all your time for this, yeah, right?

1323
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:08,980
And that is a constructed system, like it's been constructed like that.

1324
01:29:08,980 --> 01:29:12,640
and that's what the song is really about, right?

1325
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:14,500
And then throughout the song,

1326
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:16,100
it's kind of like a flip and forth back

1327
01:29:16,100 --> 01:29:18,680
between kind of like a bit of wordplay

1328
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:20,940
and throwing in those concepts,

1329
01:29:21,140 --> 01:29:22,800
just like sprinkling those concepts

1330
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:25,080
throughout the track itself.

1331
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:25,640
So yeah.

1332
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:26,160
Cool, cool.

1333
01:29:26,420 --> 01:29:27,040
Right, okay.

1334
01:29:27,480 --> 01:29:30,420
And you'll find I'm pretty big on that as well.

1335
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:32,300
Like referencing stuff in tracks

1336
01:29:32,300 --> 01:29:34,400
is something that I just do.

1337
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:34,720
Yeah.

1338
01:29:34,900 --> 01:29:38,500
Yeah, so it's like I've got a way of...

1339
01:29:38,980 --> 01:29:56,360
And probably if you listen to everything that I've put out or that I've featured on, even since doing this stuff under the 2140 art kind of umbrella, you'll find that you'll always find at least one line that is about Bitcoin in every single song.

1340
01:29:56,440 --> 01:29:58,740
The song could be about love, right?

1341
01:29:58,820 --> 01:30:00,020
And I'd find the line.

1342
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:02,260
I'd find a way to throw Bitcoin in there.

1343
01:30:02,500 --> 01:30:03,960
So, yeah.

1344
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:07,800
Yeah, got to get in the subconscious somehow, mate, haven't we?

1345
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:08,480
Do you know what I mean?

1346
01:30:08,480 --> 01:30:11,380
Right, let's go on to that next track then, mate.

1347
01:30:12,260 --> 01:30:15,100
The next track is from an artist called Sights,

1348
01:30:15,500 --> 01:30:18,060
and this tune is called Built for This,

1349
01:30:18,580 --> 01:30:21,300
and it's featuring Rush Jucks and Jabba the Cut.

1350
01:30:38,480 --> 01:30:44,020
Manchester. I got skills like an inspector. Reveal the truth. Many flavors to consume like a

1351
01:30:44,020 --> 01:30:49,280
dispenser. Stick ass neck and neck like it's parallel. Got my mind going around these houses

1352
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:54,260
like a carousel. The final destination. My destinies are waiting. Feels like I'm playing

1353
01:30:54,260 --> 01:30:59,700
the long game, man. I've been patient. I'm adding up these split seconds invested. Hit me with some

1354
01:30:59,700 --> 01:31:06,480
dope beats or I ain't even interested. Headshot. Midsection. It's time to clean your clock.

1355
01:31:06,480 --> 01:31:09,620
Windexing, take a hit like an injection

1356
01:31:09,620 --> 01:31:13,300
Out here finessing, I put my stamp on it, leave an impression

1357
01:31:13,300 --> 01:31:21,780
Too many want a front like they be on the illest shit

1358
01:31:21,780 --> 01:31:24,720
Chooks and sights, bars and knives, we be on that killer shit

1359
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:33,220
Too many want a front like they be on the illest shit

1360
01:31:33,220 --> 01:31:36,160
Chooks and sights, bars and knives, we be on that killer shit

1361
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:38,540
That shit is ill.

1362
01:31:38,780 --> 01:31:40,760
I spit dope and you been the finna.

1363
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:43,280
Yo, you ain't built for this.

1364
01:31:43,380 --> 01:31:44,700
Trust me, I done killed for this.

1365
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:47,740
Drain seven seas, put the planet on chill for this.

1366
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:49,840
I get you moving like a motivator.

1367
01:31:50,100 --> 01:31:53,460
I take the land, resources, and the women like an overtaker.

1368
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:55,500
If you were smart, you would stand click.

1369
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:58,680
My money make money like I had shears in the tank.

1370
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:01,480
You might sound deranged, we'll surround your range.

1371
01:32:01,540 --> 01:32:04,300
I made a pound of change off a sound exchange.

1372
01:32:04,300 --> 01:32:07,220
I've been an ASCAP member since a young composer

1373
01:32:07,220 --> 01:32:10,260
Before the world tours and the industry exposure

1374
01:32:10,260 --> 01:32:12,580
A preteen with a killer pen

1375
01:32:12,580 --> 01:32:16,120
Busting rhymes and murdering men that I was iller than

1376
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:18,260
If you was hot, I was the earth's core

1377
01:32:18,260 --> 01:32:21,880
There's never been a catalog this potent that was worth more

1378
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:24,520
I'll shatter any record into pieces

1379
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:27,400
Got fans spending their checks on my releases

1380
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:29,960
That shit is ill

1381
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:32,720
It's a dummy move to fuck with me, you know that ain't smart

1382
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:36,040
Too many want to front like they be on the illest shit

1383
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:39,000
Chooks and sights, bars and knives, we be on that killer shit

1384
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:41,400
That shit is ill

1385
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:43,800
Been built for this, since day one

1386
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:47,500
Too many want to front like they be on the illest shit

1387
01:32:47,500 --> 01:32:50,420
Chooks and sights, bars and knives, we be on that killer shit

1388
01:32:50,420 --> 01:32:52,840
That shit is ill

1389
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:55,440
I spit dope when you've been a habit

1390
01:32:55,440 --> 01:33:01,360
I stay sharp and I'm on point

1391
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:01,780
Come on!

1392
01:33:02,740 --> 01:33:04,400
Right, that was built for this

1393
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:07,840
from the artist known as Sights

1394
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:10,740
and that's from the album The Ninth Hour.

1395
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:13,140
So tell us a little bit about that track, mate.

1396
01:33:13,140 --> 01:33:16,240
I know Acme Cool Beats obviously

1397
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:18,860
appears in that album as well.

1398
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:24,780
Yeah, so that song there was chosen by Acme, actually.

1399
01:33:25,440 --> 01:33:27,040
And I think we went back and forth

1400
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:28,240
on what he was going to choose.

1401
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:32,360
Acme is the creative director at 2140 Music.

1402
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:38,520
He's also a brilliant fucking artist and graffiti artist and tattoo artist.

1403
01:33:39,100 --> 01:33:41,420
And yeah, but he's a producer, right?

1404
01:33:41,480 --> 01:33:44,800
So he produced the entirety of that album with Sites.

1405
01:33:46,020 --> 01:33:54,120
And we decided to choose that because Sites is recently just literally jumped onto the V4V platforms and started doing his thing.

1406
01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:57,640
with that track in particular

1407
01:33:57,640 --> 01:33:59,460
you know sites

1408
01:33:59,460 --> 01:34:01,560
in the track it's just basically sites

1409
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:03,540
speaking about

1410
01:34:03,540 --> 01:34:05,520
look you know I've been doing this

1411
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:07,540
rap thing I've been doing this hip hop thing

1412
01:34:07,540 --> 01:34:09,480
like I'm built to do this

1413
01:34:09,480 --> 01:34:11,040
right do you understand kind of thing

1414
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:13,540
and what makes the track

1415
01:34:13,540 --> 01:34:15,340
even more interesting is like the

1416
01:34:15,340 --> 01:34:16,980
collaboration with Rusty Jokes

1417
01:34:16,980 --> 01:34:19,280
and Jabba the Cut because

1418
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:21,460
those guys are like underground legends

1419
01:34:21,460 --> 01:34:22,980
like UK like not even

1420
01:34:22,980 --> 01:34:29,660
UK sorry but hip-hop underground legends those two guys right there um so you know it was very

1421
01:34:29,660 --> 01:34:34,480
fitting that he was releasing that track at the same time that he started you know because he

1422
01:34:34,480 --> 01:34:41,060
he joined Wavelake actually last year right um but he just hadn't had the time to really sit down

1423
01:34:41,060 --> 01:34:44,840
with us because you know he's doing other things in life as well hadn't had time to sit down with

1424
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:50,260
us and kind of understand everything and and start utilizing it so uh he wanted he went out of his way

1425
01:34:50,260 --> 01:34:55,320
to actually call me to say hey bro like i'm really now interested i've been reading up on a lot of

1426
01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:59,940
stuff and i'm i really want to get down with what you guys are doing um and i've got this track that

1427
01:34:59,940 --> 01:35:04,900
i've done with rusty jokes and um it's coming out soon and i want to release it kind of like to these

1428
01:35:04,900 --> 01:35:10,360
platforms exclusively for the first two weeks so it was like all right cool you know let's go

1429
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:16,060
um so that's where the idea well again not so much the idea around the track but the idea of

1430
01:35:16,060 --> 01:35:22,520
it being there and us presenting it within this show is uh you know acme made the beat yeah uh we

1431
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:28,260
could have picked a number of projects and a number of uh different songs um but he produced

1432
01:35:28,260 --> 01:35:34,380
this album this whole entire album and um yeah you know sites is is a new addition to the value

1433
01:35:34,380 --> 01:35:38,420
verse right so so yeah that's the reason for picking that one so we need to give him a bit

1434
01:35:38,420 --> 01:35:44,820
of a v4v welcome then don't we so if you want to rewind this podcast go back to that track and make

1435
01:35:44,820 --> 01:35:52,100
sure that you boost while that track is playing then the artist will get 90 of those earnings so

1436
01:35:52,100 --> 01:35:58,420
let's incentivize these people that you know this isn't a ghost town over here there is people

1437
01:35:58,420 --> 01:36:04,100
listening and there is people willing to you know send a little bit of monetary value back

1438
01:36:04,100 --> 01:36:10,900
to the artists themselves this is a new artist um you know radio shows music shows music podcasts

1439
01:36:10,900 --> 01:36:21,900
They should all be kind of like playing this like different genres of music just so we can kind of like welcome everyone to this space just to really prove to everyone that this space is for everybody.

1440
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:23,380
Do you know what I mean?

1441
01:36:24,100 --> 01:36:28,580
As you know, I've been trying very hard to get Right Said Fred onto the scene.

1442
01:36:28,860 --> 01:36:36,040
Is there an equivalent person in your genre that you would love?

1443
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:41,000
I mean, obviously having Blade speak at the BitFest conference,

1444
01:36:41,180 --> 01:36:44,880
obviously I wasn't actually – it's so funny how this works, isn't it?

1445
01:36:44,900 --> 01:36:48,940
Because when he come up on stage, I wasn't really aware of who he was.

1446
01:36:49,020 --> 01:36:52,180
It was only when I followed him on Instagram that he put a post up

1447
01:36:52,180 --> 01:36:56,840
basically playing one of his tracks with Mark B.

1448
01:36:57,380 --> 01:36:59,380
Now I think Mark B.

1449
01:36:59,380 --> 01:37:00,380
I remember.

1450
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:03,120
I commented straight away.

1451
01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:05,280
I'm like, shit, I do know who you are.

1452
01:37:05,380 --> 01:37:05,780
Jesus.

1453
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:06,860
Do you know what I mean?

1454
01:37:07,200 --> 01:37:22,616
Yeah yeah But yeah having someone like Blade you know embracing this context and maybe sharing the message is there somebody else that we can get from your I think the thing is right like we all trying to do it right

1455
01:37:22,756 --> 01:37:34,416
Like, you know, like lots of us, the people are building the platforms, you know, me and you, we're all trying to get that like that kind of almost big name, so to speak, artist who's going to, you know, represent with us, right?

1456
01:37:34,416 --> 01:37:41,576
um you know and connect with them and show them the the benefits right so i i wouldn't say that

1457
01:37:41,576 --> 01:37:48,816
there's anyone in particular what i would say though is that between us obviously it doesn't

1458
01:37:48,816 --> 01:37:54,716
even not even genre specific it doesn't matter to me right like um if it's genre specific and

1459
01:37:54,716 --> 01:38:01,516
that person comes in but um i would say that there's a few people around us who we're kind of

1460
01:38:01,516 --> 01:38:07,956
like speaking to in the background yeah so blade obviously is one of them blade will be eventually

1461
01:38:07,956 --> 01:38:11,576
having he says he wants to do it but he's got a lot going on because he's building out a new

1462
01:38:11,576 --> 01:38:15,516
platform for all of his videos and the interviews and all of the stuff that he's been doing with his

1463
01:38:15,516 --> 01:38:20,376
youtube channel he's putting out all in his own website so once that first build is done and he's

1464
01:38:20,376 --> 01:38:26,276
got let's say the fiat build done right then there is going to be like an ostracized version of it

1465
01:38:26,276 --> 01:38:31,076
built right and this is what me and him have been talking about in the background blade is very

1466
01:38:31,076 --> 01:38:36,596
interested also in doing stuff with his legacy catalog because he owns all of his legacy catalog

1467
01:38:36,596 --> 01:38:43,296
right so he's um he's very big on trying to do something there with his legacy catalog

1468
01:38:43,296 --> 01:38:49,276
and making it available to the v4v space um we've talked about obviously doing future projects

1469
01:38:49,276 --> 01:38:55,196
as well together you know um and even physical stuff as well which is only uh available for

1470
01:38:55,196 --> 01:39:02,056
Bitcoin um you know so so there's a breadth of things with Blade um but like I just said I mean

1471
01:39:02,056 --> 01:39:06,636
with sites as well sites and that conversation with Rusty and and that that that's conversation

1472
01:39:06,636 --> 01:39:11,376
that's I know sites has kind of put into the air and now that it's on Wave Lake it's kind of like

1473
01:39:11,376 --> 01:39:17,956
a real thing so that's kind of going on back in the background um and there's there's yeah there's

1474
01:39:17,956 --> 01:39:22,996
so many people around us like especially when it comes to like the UK music scene if we're talking

1475
01:39:22,996 --> 01:39:29,416
about like UK hip-hop like I mean it's pick pick pick a pick a number pick a person pick a name

1476
01:39:29,416 --> 01:39:35,396
sorry right do you understand as I said all of us have connected in some way Dizzy Rascal if you're

1477
01:39:35,396 --> 01:39:41,456
listening right Dizzy Rascal if you're listening like I know Coach Carbon is has tried to bridge

1478
01:39:41,456 --> 01:39:46,276
me with Wiley and Wiley has kind of liked a few tweets here and there that me and Coach Carbon

1479
01:39:46,276 --> 01:39:53,896
have been putting out right like so wiley clearly can see something um you know i spoke to a guy that

1480
01:39:53,896 --> 01:39:58,516
was i know skepta and those guys were supposed to be doing like some kind of nft project at one

1481
01:39:58,516 --> 01:40:03,096
point and i spoke to a guy that was working with them and i kind of orange peeled him a little bit

1482
01:40:03,096 --> 01:40:08,636
into you know like uh wave lake and stuff whether whether or not he carried that forward i don't

1483
01:40:08,636 --> 01:40:15,496
know but i mean uh yeah i mean no one's there's not apart from the like younger generation ones

1484
01:40:15,496 --> 01:40:17,496
because I don't necessarily know all of the guys

1485
01:40:17,496 --> 01:40:19,356
in the younger generation or whatever.

1486
01:40:19,776 --> 01:40:22,036
But when it comes to the generation before me

1487
01:40:22,036 --> 01:40:24,996
and my generation, like the OGs guys,

1488
01:40:25,476 --> 01:40:28,056
I can practically get in touch with anybody

1489
01:40:28,056 --> 01:40:30,256
in this kind of age range

1490
01:40:30,256 --> 01:40:32,576
through some means or another.

1491
01:40:32,736 --> 01:40:34,636
But I think the way that I'm approaching it

1492
01:40:34,636 --> 01:40:36,576
is I'm not so bothered about that at the moment.

1493
01:40:36,696 --> 01:40:39,476
I'm more bothered about that we have something

1494
01:40:39,476 --> 01:40:41,176
for them to see when they get here.

1495
01:40:41,636 --> 01:40:44,576
Not that we're saying to them,

1496
01:40:44,576 --> 01:40:50,336
hey look sign up for a wallet over here get some bitcoin from centralized exchange over here

1497
01:40:50,336 --> 01:40:55,736
do this over that i want it to just be very seamless experience so at the moment the people

1498
01:40:55,736 --> 01:41:03,056
who i would say that i'm more aiming for people that i know i have immediate direct contact with

1499
01:41:03,056 --> 01:41:09,256
right um you know and again i don't want to say too many names too many names here but

1500
01:41:09,256 --> 01:41:13,416
i will say obviously i mentioned roots maneuver very early on in the conversation

1501
01:41:13,416 --> 01:41:17,796
and there is a multitude of connections there

1502
01:41:17,796 --> 01:41:21,356
but I haven't seen him, I haven't spoken to him for a long time

1503
01:41:21,356 --> 01:41:25,376
and I'm not really sure what's going on with him

1504
01:41:25,376 --> 01:41:27,576
so I can't really speak for him.

1505
01:41:28,576 --> 01:41:31,776
But I know that that's definitely a conversation that I've tried to have already

1506
01:41:31,776 --> 01:41:34,136
and I've tried to reach out and get that conversation going.

1507
01:41:34,456 --> 01:41:37,316
Yeah, because there is a little bit of an argument, isn't there,

1508
01:41:37,436 --> 01:41:40,576
about, oh, you know, leave the legacy guys over there

1509
01:41:40,576 --> 01:41:43,276
and this is a movement for new music

1510
01:41:43,276 --> 01:41:46,176
and new artists to kind of discover themselves.

1511
01:41:46,296 --> 01:41:47,396
Where do you sit in that?

1512
01:41:47,676 --> 01:41:50,156
I mean, for me personally, I just think it's for everyone,

1513
01:41:50,356 --> 01:41:53,736
but I just see there have been so many restrictions

1514
01:41:53,736 --> 01:41:56,256
surrounding like the legacy platforms

1515
01:41:56,256 --> 01:41:58,256
or the record companies and the deals

1516
01:41:58,256 --> 01:41:59,996
that they're all tied up to.

1517
01:42:00,156 --> 01:42:01,296
It would just be impossible.

1518
01:42:01,796 --> 01:42:04,736
So, you know, maybe there is a line in the sand

1519
01:42:04,736 --> 01:42:06,336
where we draw and we just say,

1520
01:42:06,456 --> 01:42:10,396
look, this is the place for new music and new artists

1521
01:42:10,396 --> 01:42:16,656
and this is a breeding ground, you know, for people with something to say

1522
01:42:16,656 --> 01:42:23,736
and people with, you know, ambition to change the world

1523
01:42:23,736 --> 01:42:26,456
or to change what they see in the world, you know?

1524
01:42:28,316 --> 01:42:29,596
Exactly, exactly.

1525
01:42:29,816 --> 01:42:30,916
And that's what I would say.

1526
01:42:31,016 --> 01:42:32,236
When you say, where do I fit in?

1527
01:42:32,316 --> 01:42:33,976
I'm like you, it's for everyone.

1528
01:42:34,316 --> 01:42:35,876
It's for everyone in the end of the day, right?

1529
01:42:36,116 --> 01:42:37,236
There's no age limit.

1530
01:42:37,236 --> 01:42:42,096
there's no you know cultural limit or race limit or anything like that right like anyone can

1531
01:42:42,096 --> 01:42:47,836
could come here and start using this stuff and yeah and as i said i think it's going to appeal

1532
01:42:47,836 --> 01:42:53,976
most to those people who are musicians that are actually doing whatever they say on them in their

1533
01:42:53,976 --> 01:42:58,836
music right like and they are they do hold those principles i mean like guys like the kneecap guys

1534
01:42:58,836 --> 01:43:03,176
right i'd love to get in touch with those guys right like on those guys using this stuff and

1535
01:43:03,176 --> 01:43:08,976
bob villain right like they should be using this shit right like low-key as well like low-key is

1536
01:43:08,976 --> 01:43:14,596
another person who i've really really if you say from my genre like low-key is like probably the

1537
01:43:14,596 --> 01:43:22,356
best person because he has experienced a lot of de-platforming over his stance on you know um

1538
01:43:22,356 --> 01:43:28,336
you know israel and gaza and everything else over the years right um and the fact that he's very

1539
01:43:28,336 --> 01:43:34,256
outspoken politically someone like akala as well right you know that that would be a very cool guy

1540
01:43:34,256 --> 01:43:39,196
because these people are actually doing on the ground what they are saying in their lyrics right

1541
01:43:39,196 --> 01:43:46,316
so um so yeah those would be really cool additions to the v4v space i reckon right and then and the

1542
01:43:46,316 --> 01:43:53,876
new music economy yeah yeah 100 i mean yeah you'd you'd think someone that is so anti-establishment

1543
01:43:53,876 --> 01:43:56,316
like you say, Bob Villan, for example,

1544
01:43:56,636 --> 01:44:01,636
who mainstream headlines after his performance in Glastonbury last year.

1545
01:44:02,776 --> 01:44:06,156
There was such a high level of hypocrisy around it

1546
01:44:06,156 --> 01:44:08,376
because you had a lot of commentators saying,

1547
01:44:08,916 --> 01:44:11,336
he shouldn't be allowed to say this.

1548
01:44:12,096 --> 01:44:13,096
And it doesn't matter.

1549
01:44:13,536 --> 01:44:18,116
The whole kind of freedom of expression and freedom of speech aspect of it

1550
01:44:18,116 --> 01:44:21,396
is defending his right to say whatever he wants to say.

1551
01:44:21,396 --> 01:44:28,096
me defending his right to say whatever he wants to say doesn't um endorse his message doesn't mean

1552
01:44:28,096 --> 01:44:32,536
that i agree with what he's saying but he should be if he feels a certain way he should be able to

1553
01:44:32,536 --> 01:44:40,016
do it but then there's things like that that are just like yeah okay now bob's got this this vein

1554
01:44:40,016 --> 01:44:46,716
of um yeah infamy if you like then he should put his money where his mouth is and go yeah i'm taking

1555
01:44:46,716 --> 01:44:52,596
off Spotify and I'm coming because obviously they're all the platforms which are you know

1556
01:44:52,596 --> 01:44:58,036
funding a lot of this nonsense which is going on in in the Middle East as you know I did my bit

1557
01:44:58,036 --> 01:45:04,116
about you know Spotify essentially being a vehicle for war companies how does that make you feel

1558
01:45:04,116 --> 01:45:14,016
your 22 pounds a month is going to an organization whose CEO is openly and actively investing in you

1559
01:45:14,016 --> 01:45:18,896
know war companies do you know what i mean it just seems hypocritical i know massive attack

1560
01:45:18,896 --> 01:45:25,536
were one band who took their music off of the platform because of that and i i find it quite

1561
01:45:25,536 --> 01:45:30,896
hard to take any of these real art these artists seriously who still sit on that platform and

1562
01:45:30,896 --> 01:45:36,636
basically say oh yeah you know gaza israel and all of that but then they're actually feeding the

1563
01:45:36,636 --> 01:45:41,716
machine that's part of it as well you know i don't understand why there's this disconnect

1564
01:45:41,716 --> 01:45:48,076
the guy's got a level of fame now well surely now he's got that platform to go you know what

1565
01:45:48,076 --> 01:45:53,896
i've been wrong and now i'm taking my stuff off spotify and i'm going over him for everyone that

1566
01:45:53,896 --> 01:46:01,756
loves my music follow me i think i think i think yeah yeah i think for most artists it kind of

1567
01:46:01,756 --> 01:46:08,836
proposes like a conundrum for them right because again it's like finding the fans right finding

1568
01:46:08,836 --> 01:46:15,236
And as you said, at that certain status, you should be able to kind of say, hey, I'm removing myself from it all.

1569
01:46:15,236 --> 01:46:24,376
Right. You know, but I think that that is primarily I think that that is.

1570
01:46:24,376 --> 01:46:34,636
that comes from those artists not really understanding economics at the high level

1571
01:46:34,636 --> 01:46:41,276
that bitcoin or somebody who learns about bitcoin begins to understand how economics works right

1572
01:46:41,276 --> 01:46:48,596
like um so for instance you know like i mean as as you said like these companies you know are

1573
01:46:48,596 --> 01:46:53,696
funding certain things and whatever but when you speak to the the normal artists they're going to

1574
01:46:53,696 --> 01:46:57,716
kind of say like well how else do i get my music out there and then you're going to say all right

1575
01:46:57,716 --> 01:47:01,356
well you know maybe you build your own platform and then they're going to go well i still got to

1576
01:47:01,356 --> 01:47:06,436
get people to come to my platform and discoveries happening on all of these these platforms and then

1577
01:47:06,436 --> 01:47:13,316
you know like you know um then you've got to get over the hill of uh kind of like oh well maybe uh

1578
01:47:13,316 --> 01:47:17,236
i'm not calling out paypal or saying that they're involved or anything like that i'm just saying

1579
01:47:17,236 --> 01:47:21,836
that then you've got to get over the hump of uh let's say paypal are involved and now they've got

1580
01:47:21,836 --> 01:47:25,396
now for their ideological reason and now no longer use PayPal,

1581
01:47:25,616 --> 01:47:27,256
like then what do they do?

1582
01:47:27,396 --> 01:47:28,856
How do they have payments?

1583
01:47:29,036 --> 01:47:29,156
Right.

1584
01:47:29,216 --> 01:47:29,576
Like,

1585
01:47:29,616 --> 01:47:30,536
you know,

1586
01:47:30,556 --> 01:47:31,596
we talk about BlackRock,

1587
01:47:31,676 --> 01:47:32,436
like in the banks,

1588
01:47:32,536 --> 01:47:32,756
right.

1589
01:47:32,796 --> 01:47:33,016
You know,

1590
01:47:33,036 --> 01:47:35,276
like you're going to have the bank,

1591
01:47:35,316 --> 01:47:36,276
the bank's going to be involved,

1592
01:47:36,416 --> 01:47:36,536
bro.

1593
01:47:36,736 --> 01:47:37,096
Like,

1594
01:47:37,436 --> 01:47:38,276
you know,

1595
01:47:38,276 --> 01:47:42,136
you're not going to choose who handles the payment process.

1596
01:47:43,236 --> 01:47:46,876
You've got a very limited scope of who handles the payment process.

1597
01:47:46,876 --> 01:47:47,376
Can you?

1598
01:47:47,496 --> 01:47:49,656
So you're caught up in any way of the ladder.

1599
01:47:49,736 --> 01:47:49,956
Yeah.

1600
01:47:49,976 --> 01:47:50,236
No,

1601
01:47:50,316 --> 01:47:51,416
I understand that.

1602
01:47:51,416 --> 01:47:57,256
obviously but it'll be it'll be amazing if like somebody did actually take that principle all the

1603
01:47:57,256 --> 01:48:02,316
way you know to the end of the spectrum and go yeah you know i'm gonna try and limit as much

1604
01:48:02,316 --> 01:48:07,416
exposure to that i ain't got i ain't got nothing on spotify like that like i mean on apple i've

1605
01:48:07,416 --> 01:48:11,656
still got stuff on apple and other platforms like you know because i say to musicians like when i

1606
01:48:11,656 --> 01:48:14,976
try to talk to musicians i say to them i'm not telling you come off of all of those platforms

1607
01:48:14,976 --> 01:48:19,636
and start using this i'm saying to you add this to your stack yeah right because you i still

1608
01:48:19,636 --> 01:48:23,876
understand that you need to be as many places as possible for people to be able to discover you as

1609
01:48:23,876 --> 01:48:32,296
a musician right um but me personally i've done spotify in particular i have removed all of the

1610
01:48:32,296 --> 01:48:37,816
releases that i have put on spotify so anything that has me on it on spotify is a collaborative

1611
01:48:37,816 --> 01:48:42,216
release so you can find just jewels on spotify because i didn't upload it right it's not it's

1612
01:48:42,216 --> 01:48:46,676
a collaborative release it was uploaded uh through another through the enyark account so you can opt

1613
01:48:46,676 --> 01:48:53,696
out you can say i don't want to upload to spotify i'll upload to amazon music or youtube music you

1614
01:48:53,696 --> 01:48:59,376
can choose what platform so yeah you can make a statement you can you could make a statement like

1615
01:48:59,376 --> 01:49:03,216
that couldn't you and it could get you yeah you could if you if you're like i said going back to

1616
01:49:03,216 --> 01:49:08,696
where we started if you was like a 50 cent or an m&m that you could easily make that statement i

1617
01:49:08,696 --> 01:49:12,376
believe for that because you if you especially if you own all your catalog and there's no

1618
01:49:12,376 --> 01:49:14,796
it's not a record label account that's uploading

1619
01:49:14,796 --> 01:49:16,476
right if you're owning all your catalog

1620
01:49:16,476 --> 01:49:18,556
and like someone if it is like in

1621
01:49:18,556 --> 01:49:19,956
blade's position yeah

1622
01:49:19,956 --> 01:49:22,796
they never need to use any of those

1623
01:49:22,796 --> 01:49:24,756
platforms if they wanted to they could remove everything

1624
01:49:24,756 --> 01:49:26,696
and just go yeah we're just going to do it

1625
01:49:26,696 --> 01:49:28,736
all v4v I'm just going to slap it on a node

1626
01:49:28,736 --> 01:49:30,616
yeah like on a hard drive just

1627
01:49:30,616 --> 01:49:32,656
connect it to a node and just run it all from my

1628
01:49:32,656 --> 01:49:34,276
node right like and

1629
01:49:34,276 --> 01:49:36,376
bam that's it like you've exited

1630
01:49:36,376 --> 01:49:38,416
yeah right it's completely exited

1631
01:49:38,416 --> 01:49:40,476
right you know I'll set up a blossom server

1632
01:49:40,476 --> 01:49:41,036
for a

1633
01:49:41,036 --> 01:49:44,056
for you know like any

1634
01:49:44,056 --> 01:49:46,576
any kind of errors if anything goes down

1635
01:49:46,576 --> 01:49:48,516
then you know we've got a secondary mirror over

1636
01:49:48,516 --> 01:49:50,036
with a Blossom server

1637
01:49:50,036 --> 01:49:52,556
then you know you're doing your own thing

1638
01:49:52,556 --> 01:49:54,536
isn't it like your infrastructure you own

1639
01:49:54,536 --> 01:49:56,016
the entire infrastructure at that point

1640
01:49:56,016 --> 01:49:58,276
right like and that's what

1641
01:49:58,276 --> 01:50:00,276
I think that is you know

1642
01:50:00,276 --> 01:50:02,136
this speed that we were just talking about that's what I think

1643
01:50:02,136 --> 01:50:03,736
the musicians are saying

1644
01:50:03,736 --> 01:50:05,876
fuck the infrastructure

1645
01:50:05,876 --> 01:50:08,336
and oh we shouldn't do this

1646
01:50:08,336 --> 01:50:10,256
and they'll do that with this platform because

1647
01:50:10,256 --> 01:50:15,276
you know this and that platform we don't own the infrastructure or we don't own any slice of the

1648
01:50:15,276 --> 01:50:20,836
pie or whatever right like so cool so here's the tools to own your own infrastructure yeah what are

1649
01:50:20,836 --> 01:50:27,216
you gonna do with it yeah are you gonna go down that route yeah you know like that's it me and

1650
01:50:27,216 --> 01:50:32,076
you were speaking about like continuing like the the the new music economy show stuff right like

1651
01:50:32,076 --> 01:50:36,036
and i haven't done it for months why haven't i done it for months because i'm tired of using

1652
01:50:36,036 --> 01:50:41,116
other platforms so what i'll do is i'll take my time and i'll build in a way that is able to get

1653
01:50:41,116 --> 01:50:46,156
me to do it you know in a more sovereign manner right like if it means that at the beginning i'm

1654
01:50:46,156 --> 01:50:51,516
using let's say fountain server and then eventually i would build into serving it all myself the whole

1655
01:50:51,516 --> 01:50:56,776
thing is like is building into that sovereignty right like and as you understand it you you are

1656
01:50:56,776 --> 01:51:02,696
able to grab more of that sovereignty for yourself now i think artists don't even have the slightest

1657
01:51:02,696 --> 01:51:04,836
it's a clue that that kind of shit exists.

1658
01:51:04,836 --> 01:51:05,676
Yeah.

1659
01:51:05,676 --> 01:51:06,516
Right.

1660
01:51:06,552 --> 01:51:09,732
So you won't see them do stuff like what we just said,

1661
01:51:09,792 --> 01:51:12,632
removing all of their stuff in this completely legacy industry.

1662
01:51:13,132 --> 01:51:15,972
They won't do it because it's a transitional process.

1663
01:51:16,192 --> 01:51:17,792
It's going to take time.

1664
01:51:19,172 --> 01:51:20,472
It's like small government.

1665
01:51:21,772 --> 01:51:24,012
We can't get rid of the whole government,

1666
01:51:24,212 --> 01:51:26,732
but just get rid of 1%.

1667
01:51:26,732 --> 01:51:29,972
1% this year and then 1% next year.

1668
01:51:30,112 --> 01:51:30,512
Do you know what I mean?

1669
01:51:30,512 --> 01:51:33,752
I suppose that is probably the correct way to do it.

1670
01:51:33,752 --> 01:51:39,272
So shall we move on to our fifth and final track from yourself today?

1671
01:51:40,332 --> 01:51:45,612
This is a tune that we all heard at Bitfest last year.

1672
01:51:46,712 --> 01:51:49,452
Resonates very, very loudly with myself.

1673
01:51:49,592 --> 01:51:52,352
This is Buffalo Gals and this is by Acme.

1674
01:51:52,352 --> 01:51:55,452
We came to change the game

1675
01:51:55,452 --> 01:51:59,472
Represent the pain

1676
01:51:59,472 --> 01:52:02,152
Andy

1677
01:52:02,152 --> 01:52:03,552
Prince

1678
01:52:03,552 --> 01:52:07,812
We came to change the game

1679
01:52:07,812 --> 01:52:09,512
Some social studies

1680
01:52:09,512 --> 01:52:11,812
Represent the pain

1681
01:52:11,812 --> 01:52:13,932
We came to change the game

1682
01:52:13,932 --> 01:52:15,812
We came to change the game

1683
01:52:15,812 --> 01:52:16,372
We represent the pain

1684
01:52:16,372 --> 01:52:18,752
Came in the station with no ticket

1685
01:52:18,752 --> 01:52:21,052
No opposition sound, I'm hearing crickets

1686
01:52:21,052 --> 01:52:25,092
I plop a breader's head just like I'm batting for a wicket or a home run

1687
01:52:25,092 --> 01:52:28,012
Get your known funds or withdrawn out or stolen

1688
01:52:28,012 --> 01:52:30,572
In my ends where it often goes wrong

1689
01:52:30,572 --> 01:52:33,512
A known scum, never visually but DNA

1690
01:52:33,512 --> 01:52:36,672
Will grasp my arse up quick, they taking me away

1691
01:52:36,672 --> 01:52:39,932
So I don't participate unless the pay is per seat

1692
01:52:39,932 --> 01:52:43,012
Cause I'm all about them London drugs like Jay Worthy

1693
01:52:43,012 --> 01:52:45,952
Breaders fixated on the curvy, I just get the cake

1694
01:52:45,952 --> 01:52:49,012
The time to leave it in the oven just to let it bake

1695
01:52:49,012 --> 01:52:52,132
I medicate so regularly that I'm always easy

1696
01:52:52,132 --> 01:52:55,192
And make noises when I move like I'm young Jeezy

1697
01:52:55,192 --> 01:52:58,272
The reason that I can hustle is that I often have to

1698
01:52:58,272 --> 01:53:01,392
My older saw me shot and taught me, said he caught a natural

1699
01:53:01,392 --> 01:53:04,392
I catch a snake in me, I leave you to the youngest though

1700
01:53:04,392 --> 01:53:07,572
Cause they'll do anything for food, they're stuck on hunger mode

1701
01:53:07,572 --> 01:53:10,432
You ain't pencil but I'm clean with my verb skills

1702
01:53:10,432 --> 01:53:13,232
Real urban city person with a cursed chill

1703
01:53:13,232 --> 01:53:16,292
You serpents already lurking so I can't perch still

1704
01:53:16,292 --> 01:53:19,192
Burst your purse if we dirt cursive that much shrill

1705
01:53:19,192 --> 01:53:22,812
Pussyholes that chuck words like birds that think they words real

1706
01:53:22,812 --> 01:53:25,452
You better splurge till you're in a hearse

1707
01:53:25,452 --> 01:53:28,972
Ill thoughts of a maniac, this ain't some mangy rap

1708
01:53:28,972 --> 01:53:32,892
This some take me back, play it back, not some lately samey samey crap

1709
01:53:32,892 --> 01:53:35,832
I'm interchanging, interchanging what aims to grab

1710
01:53:35,832 --> 01:53:39,072
So I'm changing maps, taking trains to estranged places

1711
01:53:39,072 --> 01:53:41,732
So I'm trained for that, gonna claim the bag

1712
01:53:41,732 --> 01:53:45,192
Already named the tag, Andy Prince on the waves to brag

1713
01:53:45,192 --> 01:53:46,772
So many crazy slags

1714
01:53:46,772 --> 01:53:47,812
Wanna hook, hook, hook

1715
01:53:47,812 --> 01:53:49,012
On my brazy sack

1716
01:53:49,012 --> 01:53:50,172
Baby's bad lady

1717
01:53:50,172 --> 01:53:50,872
Back it up

1718
01:53:50,872 --> 01:53:51,752
Make me snack

1719
01:53:51,752 --> 01:53:53,032
On your filet me snatch

1720
01:53:53,032 --> 01:53:54,052
Dick and dash

1721
01:53:54,052 --> 01:53:55,052
I'm sick and brash

1722
01:53:55,052 --> 01:53:56,952
The slick is at this rhythm slash

1723
01:53:56,952 --> 01:53:58,632
Poetic villain clash

1724
01:53:58,632 --> 01:54:04,672
We came to change the game

1725
01:54:04,672 --> 01:54:08,732
Represent, represent, represent the pain

1726
01:54:08,732 --> 01:54:10,812
We came to change the game

1727
01:54:10,812 --> 01:54:13,412
We represent the pain

1728
01:54:13,412 --> 01:54:14,432
That's real talk

1729
01:54:14,432 --> 01:54:19,092
Right, that was Buffalo Gals by Acme.

1730
01:54:19,412 --> 01:54:22,252
So tell us a little bit about that tune, please, Nat.

1731
01:54:23,532 --> 01:54:28,932
Okay, so that's off of, I think it may be off of the AA LP,

1732
01:54:29,392 --> 01:54:30,792
which was like Acme Eclipse.

1733
01:54:32,472 --> 01:54:34,432
I think it's off of that LP.

1734
01:54:35,252 --> 01:54:38,912
But yeah, those guys will obviously correct me if I'm wrong with that one.

1735
01:54:38,912 --> 01:54:41,792
but yeah that was a track that

1736
01:54:41,792 --> 01:54:43,932
Acme had

1737
01:54:43,932 --> 01:54:45,872
made the beat you know Eclipse

1738
01:54:45,872 --> 01:54:48,232
and Andy Prince jumped on the beat

1739
01:54:48,232 --> 01:54:50,212
and it's just essentially

1740
01:54:50,212 --> 01:54:52,072
just like them rapping you know

1741
01:54:52,072 --> 01:54:54,272
like they're different you know like they're different

1742
01:54:54,272 --> 01:54:56,272
they're bringing something different to the

1743
01:54:56,272 --> 01:54:56,852
table

1744
01:54:56,852 --> 01:55:00,552
and it uses like a

1745
01:55:00,552 --> 01:55:02,292
scratch sample obviously

1746
01:55:02,292 --> 01:55:04,312
that you hear in there like we came to change

1747
01:55:04,312 --> 01:55:06,292
the game right so it's

1748
01:55:06,292 --> 01:55:08,332
kind of become our mascot tune for like

1749
01:55:08,332 --> 01:55:15,012
2140 music which we use on a lot of posting and stuff like that um and it obviously sits and

1750
01:55:15,012 --> 01:55:19,732
resonates very well just the start of it straight away is like you know as you said when you perform

1751
01:55:19,732 --> 01:55:24,452
it like in front of a crowd and you're the crowd already understands where we're coming from with

1752
01:55:24,452 --> 01:55:30,592
what we're doing you know it represents very very well you know because that's exactly what we came

1753
01:55:30,592 --> 01:55:37,032
to fucking do like we came to change the game we we haven't come to fucking do what like the last

1754
01:55:37,032 --> 01:55:39,392
fucking 10 shows that you went to, right, or whatever,

1755
01:55:39,532 --> 01:55:41,732
we come to show you something completely different, right?

1756
01:55:41,852 --> 01:55:45,712
So, yeah, it just resonates really, really well with all of us.

1757
01:55:45,812 --> 01:55:47,172
So we've just kept it as, like, the mascot,

1758
01:55:47,452 --> 01:55:49,552
the real mascot tree of the camp.

1759
01:55:50,312 --> 01:55:50,712
100%.

1760
01:55:50,712 --> 01:55:57,032
Now I want to talk about projects that are happening this year, Nat.

1761
01:55:57,252 --> 01:55:59,432
So we're in April now.

1762
01:56:00,652 --> 01:56:03,552
Tell us a bit about some of the things you've got planned

1763
01:56:03,552 --> 01:56:05,432
for the rest of 2026, mate.

1764
01:56:07,032 --> 01:56:24,212
So we've got, last year we did an event called the Bitcoin Graffiti Jam, which we hired out at a legal graffiti space in London and shouts out to SW9 because they are the people who helped us to get that space ultimately.

1765
01:56:24,212 --> 01:56:29,812
we found that speaking to a lot of the other legal graffiti spaces once we told them what

1766
01:56:29,812 --> 01:56:34,852
the event was kind of in celebration of which was you know we added the bitcoin onto the graffiti

1767
01:56:34,852 --> 01:56:39,972
jam they were like no or they wanted to charge us a really stupid exorbitant amount of money

1768
01:56:39,972 --> 01:56:47,452
and didn't see it as a community-led organization um you know all of a sudden it was bitcoin so we're

1769
01:56:47,452 --> 01:56:53,232
either ideologically not aligned with it um and i'm not going to name the space that said that but

1770
01:56:53,232 --> 01:56:55,892
just know that the biggest space in London,

1771
01:56:55,992 --> 01:56:57,652
the biggest legal graffiti space in London,

1772
01:56:57,772 --> 01:56:58,512
you can go and look it up.

1773
01:56:59,092 --> 01:57:02,312
They declined us because they said it doesn't align

1774
01:57:02,312 --> 01:57:04,512
in their email.

1775
01:57:04,852 --> 01:57:06,892
And they haven't responded to any other emails

1776
01:57:06,892 --> 01:57:08,152
that I've sent them to find out

1777
01:57:08,152 --> 01:57:09,272
what they actually meant by that.

1778
01:57:09,632 --> 01:57:12,092
So I think I'm taking that as you saw Bitcoin

1779
01:57:12,092 --> 01:57:13,032
and you said no.

1780
01:57:15,412 --> 01:57:17,752
So anyway, we put on this event,

1781
01:57:17,872 --> 01:57:19,332
Bitcoin Graffiti Jam, last year.

1782
01:57:19,652 --> 01:57:21,352
And we'll be doing it again in 2026

1783
01:57:21,352 --> 01:57:24,352
in Brixton, Stockwell, to be exact.

1784
01:57:24,692 --> 01:57:25,872
Legal graffiti space.

1785
01:57:26,032 --> 01:57:28,232
Acme did a massive, gigantic,

1786
01:57:28,432 --> 01:57:32,512
it was like a 12-foot bloody Bitcoin mural.

1787
01:57:33,052 --> 01:57:34,472
You know, we had kids down there.

1788
01:57:34,532 --> 01:57:35,632
So it's lots of fun down there.

1789
01:57:35,812 --> 01:57:37,572
It's like really kids-friendly environment.

1790
01:57:37,932 --> 01:57:40,072
We're going to have a few vendors down there this year.

1791
01:57:40,992 --> 01:57:43,792
There's musical performances as well happening down there.

1792
01:57:44,032 --> 01:57:45,112
But yeah, if you're an artist,

1793
01:57:45,552 --> 01:57:47,452
you're into art, you're into graffiti art,

1794
01:57:47,452 --> 01:57:50,072
you want to come down and just bring the kids out for the day,

1795
01:57:50,072 --> 01:57:52,432
just to run around and do a bit of art

1796
01:57:52,432 --> 01:57:54,292
because we've got paper colouring in

1797
01:57:54,292 --> 01:57:56,232
and all of these kind of stuff and activities, workshops

1798
01:57:56,232 --> 01:57:58,332
for kids. So yeah, if you want

1799
01:57:58,332 --> 01:58:00,232
to do that, then get involved.

1800
01:58:00,472 --> 01:58:02,092
Do we have a date on that?

1801
01:58:03,772 --> 01:58:04,332
We're aiming

1802
01:58:04,332 --> 01:58:05,612
for the 21st of June.

1803
01:58:05,992 --> 01:58:08,092
We were supposed to do the 21st of June last year,

1804
01:58:08,192 --> 01:58:10,432
but that date ended up getting kicked all the way back to September

1805
01:58:10,432 --> 01:58:12,472
so we had a bit of rain on the day and everything.

1806
01:58:13,172 --> 01:58:13,352
But

1807
01:58:13,352 --> 01:58:16,252
it's funny that we chose the 21st of June

1808
01:58:16,252 --> 01:58:18,352
randomly for the 21 appeal

1809
01:58:18,352 --> 01:58:24,012
obviously like last year and then i found out that the 21st of june is the first day of summer

1810
01:58:24,012 --> 01:58:28,812
in the united kingdom right so it's like yeah if you want something to do for the first day of summer

1811
01:58:28,812 --> 01:58:33,812
this year will be on a sunday um as well so something nice and like i said relax you can

1812
01:58:33,812 --> 01:58:38,432
bring the kids down just have a good time listen to some music meet some other bitcoiners meet some

1813
01:58:38,432 --> 01:58:43,052
musicians meet some artists get involved the longest day of the year as well june 21st yeah

1814
01:58:43,052 --> 01:58:43,832
So yeah, that's good.

1815
01:58:44,052 --> 01:58:44,572
That's good.

1816
01:58:44,792 --> 01:58:47,412
So, and it is an all-day event as well.

1817
01:58:47,512 --> 01:58:50,352
It runs from, we open at about 9.30 in the morning, right?

1818
01:58:50,412 --> 01:58:52,832
So it's running all day up until 7 o'clock in the evening.

1819
01:58:53,352 --> 01:58:53,472
Wicked.

1820
01:58:54,692 --> 01:58:55,712
Yeah, so there's that.

1821
01:58:56,232 --> 01:59:00,432
We have obviously Poland, Bitcoin Film Festival.

1822
01:59:00,992 --> 01:59:03,072
You know, we did something there last year as well.

1823
01:59:03,392 --> 01:59:04,492
That was explosive.

1824
01:59:05,252 --> 01:59:07,492
And it will be good to bring that back as well to Poland.

1825
01:59:07,612 --> 01:59:09,112
It was a really good time we all had in Poland.

1826
01:59:10,012 --> 01:59:12,612
You know, so definitely going to go back there.

1827
01:59:12,612 --> 01:59:14,992
And that's working with the other 2140 crew as well,

1828
01:59:15,132 --> 01:59:19,432
with Mad Monkey and Anon, you know, for that one as well.

1829
01:59:19,492 --> 01:59:21,172
And I know, you know, you're involved with that.

1830
01:59:21,252 --> 01:59:23,212
We're looking at getting Longy out there as well.

1831
01:59:23,312 --> 01:59:25,752
So that's going to be really, really interesting this year.

1832
01:59:25,752 --> 01:59:26,952
That's June the 4th, right?

1833
01:59:28,032 --> 01:59:28,392
Yeah.

1834
01:59:29,512 --> 01:59:32,732
And then aside from that, I wouldn't say,

1835
01:59:32,872 --> 01:59:36,812
aside from like us reconfiguring how we're doing events.

1836
01:59:36,812 --> 01:59:39,752
So last year from 2024 and November 2024,

1837
01:59:39,752 --> 01:59:48,252
we were doing events every two weeks up until february of 2025 and then we started doing the

1838
01:59:48,252 --> 01:59:52,792
events monthly so those are the events i spoke about previously in the conversation where we have

1839
01:59:52,792 --> 01:59:59,532
a bit of education and also meet up style event and also we have the live music performances all

1840
01:59:59,532 --> 02:00:05,292
happening in one site right so um so there's there's that we haven't necessarily planned all

1841
02:00:05,292 --> 02:00:10,052
of those out this year right because we said in the first quarter that we'd launch do the first

1842
02:00:10,052 --> 02:00:15,332
event of the year do the second event of the year and then we'd concentrate more on curating and

1843
02:00:15,332 --> 02:00:21,992
seeing how we can get the artists to more things um and then on a local level there's a few things

1844
02:00:21,992 --> 02:00:27,432
that i'm looking at doing there's a place called the tram shed in woolwich yeah which is a local

1845
02:00:27,432 --> 02:00:34,592
community arts theater uh center so we're looking to do a few kind of smaller meetups down there

1846
02:00:34,592 --> 02:00:40,312
you know where we just have a meet up just to talk about new music economy and you know bring

1847
02:00:40,312 --> 02:00:46,372
some new artists and musicians and stuff into the space like that so those ones are going to be a lot

1848
02:00:46,372 --> 02:00:50,992
more intimate no live music or anything like that just you know just talking and just getting

1849
02:00:50,992 --> 02:01:05,954
together really so yeah a few different things and then yeah I mean there there so many different things because I don know where it is around here as I know know that me and you and Monkey you know because there an alliance going on here just to let everybody know right

1850
02:01:05,994 --> 02:01:07,914
Like, we're not all working siloed, right?

1851
02:01:07,954 --> 02:01:09,134
Aaron's doing some stuff.

1852
02:01:09,474 --> 02:01:10,434
We're doing some stuff.

1853
02:01:11,134 --> 02:01:13,014
2140 are doing some stuff.

1854
02:01:13,014 --> 02:01:14,154
And then, you know,

1855
02:01:14,234 --> 02:01:17,974
Roger is like a powerhouse machine on his own, right?

1856
02:01:18,154 --> 02:01:20,854
So I know Roger's involved in the conversation as well.

1857
02:01:20,874 --> 02:01:22,274
Shout out Roger 9000.

1858
02:01:23,054 --> 02:01:24,794
Yeah, shout out to Roger 9000.

1859
02:01:24,794 --> 02:01:30,674
definitely he he is the og of attending every single bitcoin uh conference and pushing the

1860
02:01:30,674 --> 02:01:38,914
world yeah that is it so so yeah um and i shout out to ainsley as well because she's another person

1861
02:01:38,914 --> 02:01:43,414
doing that you know on the us side and it was great to meet her as well bit fest you know like

1862
02:01:43,414 --> 02:01:49,194
um but yeah so there's that stuff and and of course bit fest yeah we got to talk about

1863
02:01:49,194 --> 02:01:50,874
BitFest for a minute, right?

1864
02:01:51,094 --> 02:01:56,974
I mean, I take my hat off to you, Nind and Nathan Day,

1865
02:01:57,074 --> 02:01:59,854
for putting together a fantastic conference.

1866
02:02:00,454 --> 02:02:04,194
If you've not seen any of the footage from BitFest,

1867
02:02:05,194 --> 02:02:07,874
take what you know about Bitcoin conferences

1868
02:02:07,874 --> 02:02:10,774
and throw that straight out the window.

1869
02:02:11,034 --> 02:02:12,254
This was nothing like it.

1870
02:02:12,254 --> 02:02:15,614
We had speakers and we had all the art, we had all the culture,

1871
02:02:15,614 --> 02:02:22,814
but it was such an exciting conference to be involved in because it was the you had the social

1872
02:02:22,814 --> 02:02:30,634
aspect you know we didn't have 24 guests all talking about the macro economics of bitcoin

1873
02:02:30,634 --> 02:02:37,174
and the 21 million and all of that we didn't have that we had actual real life people getting on

1874
02:02:37,174 --> 02:02:41,654
stage talking about how they're utilizing bitcoins and making their local community better

1875
02:02:41,654 --> 02:02:45,554
and it was such a roaring success.

1876
02:02:45,974 --> 02:02:48,734
Like I say, I take my hat off to you and the team

1877
02:02:48,734 --> 02:02:51,614
for putting all that together and all the volunteers that got involved.

1878
02:02:51,814 --> 02:02:55,274
BitFest really was an amazing, amazing, amazing event.

1879
02:02:55,854 --> 02:02:59,494
And yes, I think we're happening in Manchester again this year, aren't we?

1880
02:02:59,534 --> 02:03:01,394
And we're doing it in November again.

1881
02:03:01,734 --> 02:03:05,334
So if any of you listening from Europe, even the US,

1882
02:03:05,634 --> 02:03:08,614
you've got a festival to come and visit in Europe,

1883
02:03:08,854 --> 02:03:11,414
make sure BitFest is a thing because like I say,

1884
02:03:11,414 --> 02:03:17,774
culturally there's nothing like it anywhere in the world is in my opinion i know i got tons of

1885
02:03:17,774 --> 02:03:24,754
positive feedback from the costellos from shadrach from a lot of the guys uh from avi bure himself

1886
02:03:24,754 --> 02:03:32,774
you know who came and witnessed bitfest and for a first event it was phenomenal so yeah well done

1887
02:03:32,774 --> 02:03:38,054
can't wait thank you very much to see it again and all of those people that you mentioned uh again

1888
02:03:38,054 --> 02:03:40,054
because this is how we do, right, in Bitcoin, right?

1889
02:03:40,094 --> 02:03:43,354
All those people, again, including even yourself, right,

1890
02:03:43,434 --> 02:03:46,194
were part of making that experience happen, right?

1891
02:03:46,314 --> 02:03:50,934
Like, you know, and that's what we wanted to almost reach out to, right?

1892
02:03:50,974 --> 02:03:55,794
Like, we do this all differently on a small scale with meetups, right?

1893
02:03:56,114 --> 02:03:58,574
And we all speak at bigger events, right?

1894
02:03:58,594 --> 02:04:02,834
And we all try to bring kind of like, obviously, in the UK,

1895
02:04:02,834 --> 02:04:05,254
we don't have any Bitcoin conference, right?

1896
02:04:05,254 --> 02:04:08,954
We don't have a major Bitcoin event that is happening on a regular basis.

1897
02:04:09,414 --> 02:04:15,134
So we wanted to bring all of that together, but not deliver it, like you said, like it's.

1898
02:04:15,674 --> 02:04:19,294
We wanted to deliver it in between a conference, an unconference, and a festival.

1899
02:04:19,554 --> 02:04:24,534
And that's exactly why, if you look at the BitFest site, it is called a conference festival.

1900
02:04:24,754 --> 02:04:25,914
It's not just a conference.

1901
02:04:26,434 --> 02:04:32,154
So yeah, it's just putting all of those things together and just thank you and hats off to everybody else as well.

1902
02:04:32,154 --> 02:04:33,854
I don't know, Avi's got some footage.

1903
02:04:34,814 --> 02:04:38,354
He's got his own footage from BitFest that will be coming out at some point.

1904
02:04:38,894 --> 02:04:43,934
So yeah, shouts out to Avi as well and Jimmy Chiba,

1905
02:04:44,094 --> 02:04:46,514
who done all of the filming and the video work,

1906
02:04:46,534 --> 02:04:49,794
because he really made it look like how it felt.

1907
02:04:50,254 --> 02:04:51,574
And Pete as well.

1908
02:04:52,774 --> 02:04:53,674
Yeah, and Peter as well.

1909
02:04:55,114 --> 02:04:58,554
Lots of hard work went into the conference.

1910
02:04:58,774 --> 02:04:59,914
But like I said, it's fantastic.

1911
02:04:59,914 --> 02:05:06,734
it having the factory around the corner putting on a live gig there um who was i listening to the

1912
02:05:06,734 --> 02:05:12,654
other day he was talking about making uh oh it was nathan i was listening to avi interviewed nathan

1913
02:05:12,654 --> 02:05:18,214
and he was talking about how the sunday everyone was fairly wrecked and no one really was that

1914
02:05:18,214 --> 02:05:25,254
motivated to do any competition everyone had such an amazing time on the friday and the saturday

1915
02:05:25,254 --> 02:05:29,334
that sunday you know there's a lot of people missing first thing in the morning of course

1916
02:05:29,334 --> 02:05:36,514
So I think they're going to do something slightly differently where there's going to be a lot more chilled out, relaxed kind of things happening.

1917
02:05:36,754 --> 02:05:49,914
You know, maybe the Bitcoin Film Fest guys are set up there on the Sunday and we'll put some films on and things like that, you know, where people can just be a bit more lazy, I suppose, on the Sunday and kind of recover their thoughts.

1918
02:05:50,254 --> 02:05:55,674
So, yeah. So that's a really powerful thing. So, yeah. Once again, what's the website for that, mate? BitFest.UK?

1919
02:05:55,674 --> 02:05:57,714
Yeah, bitfest.uk.

1920
02:05:58,074 --> 02:06:01,394
So at the moment, you'll still see the old website up there, right?

1921
02:06:01,434 --> 02:06:03,414
And you can kick me in machines if you want to,

1922
02:06:03,554 --> 02:06:06,834
because I'm actually the person responsible for making sure

1923
02:06:06,834 --> 02:06:08,154
the new website goes up, right?

1924
02:06:08,154 --> 02:06:12,474
So, yeah, as I said, wearing many hats as usual, yeah,

1925
02:06:12,674 --> 02:06:14,074
the different alias again.

1926
02:06:14,914 --> 02:06:20,274
So, yeah, so I'm just working now on a landing page

1927
02:06:20,274 --> 02:06:21,854
that's going to go up for 2026.

1928
02:06:22,414 --> 02:06:24,274
So everyone can go, once that's up,

1929
02:06:24,274 --> 02:06:28,174
people can go and register their interest and then we'll be dropping some early bird ticket

1930
02:06:28,174 --> 02:06:34,894
prices um you know pretty soon afterwards right um so yeah and and and all of your favorite bitcoin

1931
02:06:34,894 --> 02:06:40,194
communities just like last year every if you're part especially in the uk if you're part of a

1932
02:06:40,194 --> 02:06:46,314
local bitcoin community in the uk they will receive a discount code a 21 discount code on tickets

1933
02:06:46,314 --> 02:06:53,434
um you know and um yeah you know anybody who who we do work with if you're interested in in working

1934
02:06:53,434 --> 02:06:58,554
with us or whatever you also get a one of those tickets uh codes for your community yeah that's

1935
02:06:58,554 --> 02:07:02,574
it really just reach out if you're interested in it or go and check it out do we have a date

1936
02:07:02,574 --> 02:07:08,694
tied up for that yet now i believe they're going to be roughly around the same date so it's going

1937
02:07:08,694 --> 02:07:15,494
to be like the 20th and the 21st i believe which is the friday and the saturday if if if so so as

1938
02:07:15,494 --> 02:07:22,874
nathan uh had said right like we're not gonna do like a full-on three days this time there will be

1939
02:07:22,874 --> 02:07:24,954
it will be kind of like four days, right?

1940
02:07:25,094 --> 02:07:26,094
Like in total.

1941
02:07:26,854 --> 02:07:29,934
However, full on, like the conference,

1942
02:07:30,274 --> 02:07:31,874
as you said, side of it, like, you know,

1943
02:07:31,894 --> 02:07:33,034
speaking all the rest of that

1944
02:07:33,034 --> 02:07:34,394
is going to be condensed into two days.

1945
02:07:34,574 --> 02:07:37,474
So it will be, first day will be Nostar Shal

1946
02:07:37,474 --> 02:07:39,614
as it was last year.

1947
02:07:39,894 --> 02:07:41,134
And that will be all about Nostar.

1948
02:07:41,474 --> 02:07:44,134
And then the second day will be, you know,

1949
02:07:44,134 --> 02:07:45,634
like the main BitFest conference.

1950
02:07:46,034 --> 02:07:47,654
But obviously the two of them together

1951
02:07:47,654 --> 02:07:49,234
are still come under the BitFest wrapper.

1952
02:07:49,934 --> 02:07:52,074
So we're just thinking about what we could do

1953
02:07:52,074 --> 02:07:56,074
the night before as kind of like a pre-event at the moment.

1954
02:07:56,214 --> 02:07:57,254
And as Nathan said, you know,

1955
02:07:57,314 --> 02:07:59,714
what we do on the Sunday is a little bit more relaxed.

1956
02:08:00,214 --> 02:08:02,354
And if you've got the time to be around, you know,

1957
02:08:02,394 --> 02:08:04,834
then, you know, you can stick around and take the time.

1958
02:08:04,994 --> 02:08:07,814
Yeah, the pre-event would be great to have a steak night, right?

1959
02:08:09,034 --> 02:08:09,254
Yeah.

1960
02:08:09,254 --> 02:08:10,754
A steak night on the pre-event.

1961
02:08:10,954 --> 02:08:13,914
But no, like I say, BitFest really is that

1962
02:08:13,914 --> 02:08:18,714
all-encompassing community festival for the hackers,

1963
02:08:18,714 --> 02:08:24,994
the privacy maxes, the BTC maxes, you know, the guys that are into hardware,

1964
02:08:25,174 --> 02:08:26,414
the guys that are into software.

1965
02:08:26,694 --> 02:08:27,154
Do you know what I mean?

1966
02:08:27,194 --> 02:08:29,514
The music, the art, the film.

1967
02:08:30,554 --> 02:08:32,174
Your mum, your dad, your kids.

1968
02:08:32,174 --> 02:08:32,914
Your mum, your dad.

1969
02:08:33,014 --> 02:08:34,554
You've got your kids zone as well.

1970
02:08:34,654 --> 02:08:39,114
So there was loads of kids running around as well trying to extract sats

1971
02:08:39,114 --> 02:08:44,274
from the adult folk by stealing popcorn and stuff like that.

1972
02:08:44,474 --> 02:08:44,974
Oh, yeah.

1973
02:08:45,094 --> 02:08:46,694
Kids were sat hunting.

1974
02:08:46,694 --> 02:08:47,194
They were.

1975
02:08:47,554 --> 02:08:48,394
Yeah, they understand.

1976
02:08:48,714 --> 02:08:51,194
Yeah, I think the kids are going to be all right.

1977
02:08:51,314 --> 02:08:51,814
Right, okay.

1978
02:08:51,894 --> 02:08:56,214
So I'm going to show a couple of events that I'm involved in as well

1979
02:08:56,214 --> 02:08:58,094
and that you're involved in as well.

1980
02:08:58,794 --> 02:09:02,234
April the 30th, we have a showcase.

1981
02:09:02,414 --> 02:09:05,614
It's almost like an industry showcase that we're doing in conjunction

1982
02:09:05,614 --> 02:09:13,074
with Fountain and Antidote, BTC, in London, in Shoreditch,

1983
02:09:13,574 --> 02:09:16,054
where we are putting on a gig.

1984
02:09:16,054 --> 02:09:22,134
three acts we've got we've got longy and we've got a couple of legacy acts as well paisley days

1985
02:09:22,134 --> 02:09:31,394
and a guy called sylvain sylvain unchained was it sylvain unchained i think his name yes that's

1986
02:09:31,394 --> 02:09:35,774
right um they're going to be performing we're going to be live streaming the whole event as

1987
02:09:35,774 --> 02:09:40,714
well so that everyone can be able uh be able to watch it on noster once again we're not necessarily

1988
02:09:40,714 --> 02:09:44,074
promoting this gig as a Bitcoin gig.

1989
02:09:44,454 --> 02:09:47,194
It's going to be an industry showcase.

1990
02:09:47,354 --> 02:09:52,174
I know that they've invited some labels, some legacy artists,

1991
02:09:52,334 --> 02:09:54,694
some distributors that are all based in London.

1992
02:09:54,834 --> 02:09:56,534
They're all inviting them to the gig.

1993
02:09:56,534 --> 02:10:02,734
And it's just going to be a very interesting show to really show them what's

1994
02:10:02,734 --> 02:10:09,514
going on and how this new ecosystem is quietly building.

1995
02:10:09,514 --> 02:10:12,574
and I suppose at the same time

1996
02:10:12,574 --> 02:10:14,394
will they get the realisation

1997
02:10:14,394 --> 02:10:16,874
it will probably eat their lunch

1998
02:10:16,874 --> 02:10:19,274
eventually unless if they dismiss it

1999
02:10:19,274 --> 02:10:20,074
do you know what I mean

2000
02:10:20,074 --> 02:10:23,274
so I'm obviously

2001
02:10:23,274 --> 02:10:24,974
got to be on my best behaviour

2002
02:10:24,974 --> 02:10:27,194
not to alienate too many people

2003
02:10:27,194 --> 02:10:27,914
in the audience

2004
02:10:27,914 --> 02:10:31,914
and I promise not to do that

2005
02:10:31,914 --> 02:10:33,914
I'll try and do it in a subtle way

2006
02:10:33,914 --> 02:10:35,174
the thing is like you said

2007
02:10:35,174 --> 02:10:36,414
there's two parts to it right

2008
02:10:36,414 --> 02:10:38,654
so the event on the night

2009
02:10:38,654 --> 02:10:39,314
we've got

2010
02:10:39,514 --> 02:10:44,454
The first part of the event is going to be held at antidote offices, isn't it?

2011
02:10:44,634 --> 02:10:46,814
So that is the industry.

2012
02:10:46,914 --> 02:10:58,916
That explaining the tech isn it That going to be more If you a musician with a manager or you a music manager or you a record label owner a distributor a record shop owner anything like that

2013
02:10:58,976 --> 02:11:03,816
You run a podcast, you're a DJ, you want to go to that industry part of that event.

2014
02:11:04,056 --> 02:11:09,056
Like because you're going to learn how this stuff works, kind of like a bit of the background.

2015
02:11:09,376 --> 02:11:10,436
Process and all that.

2016
02:11:10,436 --> 02:11:15,836
yeah yeah and then for everyone just generally like you know all different walks of life the

2017
02:11:15,836 --> 02:11:20,856
concert uh you know at the part side of it is going to be really cool just a cool place to go

2018
02:11:20,856 --> 02:11:24,876
and discover people meet people meet then we're going to do a gig and we're going to show them how

2019
02:11:24,876 --> 02:11:31,616
it works in in real life basically um yeah and and i hope they all get that wow moment you know

2020
02:11:31,616 --> 02:11:37,216
when we start receive receiving zaps in from our our american brothers and sisters over there

2021
02:11:37,216 --> 02:11:41,076
because I know they're obviously very proactive on this, you know,

2022
02:11:41,136 --> 02:11:44,676
but once messages start coming in from Nashville and from Texas

2023
02:11:44,676 --> 02:11:47,616
and from California and from New York, do you know what I mean?

2024
02:11:47,616 --> 02:11:52,736
I think that would open their eyes, I think, a little bit to the value

2025
02:11:52,736 --> 02:11:54,096
that we're bringing to the space.

2026
02:11:54,556 --> 02:11:56,596
So, yeah, so that will be April the 30th.

2027
02:11:56,636 --> 02:11:59,276
So if you're in London, tickets are available.

2028
02:12:00,396 --> 02:12:03,896
I'm sure we'll try and add a ticket link into the bottom of this as well.

2029
02:12:03,896 --> 02:12:13,356
but also I want to shill the event as well that we are doing in well I was going to say the one

2030
02:12:13,356 --> 02:12:20,836
in Belgrade we're going to Belgrade on the 19th 20th and we're doing that Avi's going to be part

2031
02:12:20,836 --> 02:12:25,636
of that I know open mic and tunester are involved in that as well but that's going to be right on

2032
02:12:25,636 --> 02:12:33,056
the tail end of the Bitcoin Prague thing so any of that you any of you Americans Australians you

2033
02:12:33,056 --> 02:12:39,116
You know, wherever you're coming from, if you come to Europe for that chunk, you've got Warsaw at the beginning of June.

2034
02:12:39,716 --> 02:12:42,776
Then you've got Prague, I think 13th, 14th.

2035
02:12:42,776 --> 02:12:49,516
And then the weekend after that, you've got Belgrade, where we're basically going to be throwing a music festival.

2036
02:12:49,516 --> 02:12:55,076
We're on the Friday. We've got six or seven acts, including Longy, including Joe Martin.

2037
02:12:55,956 --> 02:12:58,616
I did have a whole line up here, but I've mislaid it.

2038
02:12:58,616 --> 02:13:04,496
I'm sure Avi will be talking about that a lot on this show in the coming months.

2039
02:13:05,116 --> 02:13:11,816
But we've also got one of Serbia's biggest metal bands as well called Scardust.

2040
02:13:12,376 --> 02:13:19,716
And they're going to be ensuring that the 800 capacity on this barge is rocking.

2041
02:13:19,976 --> 02:13:20,556
Do you know what I mean?

2042
02:13:20,556 --> 02:13:26,256
So I'm going to be your consummate host again in that environment.

2043
02:13:26,596 --> 02:13:28,216
So please go easy on me.

2044
02:13:28,216 --> 02:13:30,996
Hopefully there's not going to be too much of a language barrier.

2045
02:13:32,796 --> 02:13:37,016
I'm not really that good at Serbians.

2046
02:13:37,156 --> 02:13:41,156
I'm just really praying that the Serbians are half decent at English.

2047
02:13:41,676 --> 02:13:44,936
Certainly my Cockney Essex style of English.

2048
02:13:45,076 --> 02:13:53,196
Hopefully they've heard enough of that over the years through Lockstock and Two Smoking Barrels and all them movies that come out of our neck of the woods.

2049
02:13:53,936 --> 02:13:56,676
So they can gather what's going on.

2050
02:13:56,676 --> 02:13:58,436
So, yeah, so that's going to be Belgrade.

2051
02:13:58,796 --> 02:14:00,516
That's going to be a wicked show as well.

2052
02:14:00,616 --> 02:14:01,596
I can't wait for that.

2053
02:14:02,276 --> 02:14:08,436
We've also potentially got, and I've been talking to Joe Martin because in July,

2054
02:14:08,556 --> 02:14:11,616
I think he's just off the back of an album release as well.

2055
02:14:11,876 --> 02:14:14,096
He's going to be back living in Isle of Man.

2056
02:14:14,376 --> 02:14:19,636
We're talking about maybe doing something in the Isle of Man because obviously

2057
02:14:19,636 --> 02:14:23,516
that's where it's a very unique jurisdiction in the Isle of Man.

2058
02:14:23,516 --> 02:14:29,676
You know, I know the UK's biggest exchange, Coin Corner, is based there.

2059
02:14:30,176 --> 02:14:32,856
So I know we're trying to figure something out,

2060
02:14:32,976 --> 02:14:36,556
trying to make that viable in July, something in the Isle of Man as well.

2061
02:14:37,396 --> 02:14:38,416
That would be sick.

2062
02:14:38,696 --> 02:14:43,576
And then I think we have lots of little plans.

2063
02:14:44,136 --> 02:14:48,676
As you know, I've managed Orange Pill local music venue to me called Peggy's.

2064
02:14:48,676 --> 02:14:55,716
so I'll be doing monthly open mic slash Bitcoin Essex meetups there which are always good fun

2065
02:14:55,716 --> 02:15:02,916
because we have a we have a split of Bitcoiners and Normies in the same room and you know they're

2066
02:15:02,916 --> 02:15:07,296
kind of wowed by what we're doing with the musicians and we're having QRs on the screens

2067
02:15:07,296 --> 02:15:12,156
and stuff like that so that's all good and then obviously November like you say we've we're

2068
02:15:12,156 --> 02:15:18,656
building everything up into Bitfest so yeah can't wait for that yeah and just touching

2069
02:15:18,656 --> 02:15:19,696
on what you just said there.

2070
02:15:19,816 --> 02:15:20,916
I mean, another thing that,

2071
02:15:21,436 --> 02:15:24,096
obviously, just to kind of throw it out there,

2072
02:15:24,296 --> 02:15:25,396
I know, you know,

2073
02:15:25,456 --> 02:15:26,896
we can't reveal too much yet,

2074
02:15:26,956 --> 02:15:29,396
but obviously me, you and Mad Monkey

2075
02:15:29,396 --> 02:15:31,196
and Ninda, you know,

2076
02:15:31,236 --> 02:15:33,216
we're having these consistent chats

2077
02:15:33,216 --> 02:15:35,936
around introducing this

2078
02:15:35,936 --> 02:15:37,816
to other event hosts, right?

2079
02:15:37,936 --> 02:15:40,156
So, you know, that's another thing

2080
02:15:40,156 --> 02:15:43,016
that is slowly kind of making,

2081
02:15:43,476 --> 02:15:44,976
well, I know on my side

2082
02:15:44,976 --> 02:15:45,976
and I know on your side as well,

2083
02:15:46,016 --> 02:15:46,696
as you said, venues

2084
02:15:46,696 --> 02:15:48,056
and making headway

2085
02:15:48,056 --> 02:15:53,636
with other event hosts right like hey guys you should be implementing this stack in what you're

2086
02:15:53,636 --> 02:16:00,156
doing right like um you know and and see how it works for your audience right like um and i think

2087
02:16:00,156 --> 02:16:06,056
that that as well is also a big thing because having lots of different events around london

2088
02:16:06,056 --> 02:16:11,596
or the uk that are all implementing you know this kind of stack it means that people see it and it

2089
02:16:11,596 --> 02:16:16,196
kind of becomes the new thing like oh yeah that guy's performing what's why have you got the qr

2090
02:16:16,196 --> 02:16:21,796
code or what's all of these uh uh messages that i can't wait how do i send the message oh well you

2091
02:16:21,796 --> 02:16:25,656
need to kind of like have a bit of bitcoin like and then you know the artists get it and then

2092
02:16:25,656 --> 02:16:30,596
you have these different event hosts now that can now explain it in the same same way that we can

2093
02:16:30,596 --> 02:16:36,236
they might not know as much about bitcoin as we do right like but they can still explain it on a

2094
02:16:36,236 --> 02:16:42,696
very basic and simple level right and when you get that happening and like you've got 12 or 20

2095
02:16:42,696 --> 02:16:49,936
different as i said uh event promoters or hosts using exactly the same method that's when you

2096
02:16:49,936 --> 02:16:53,476
actually start to hit that mass crowd again right like because the mass crowds are saying

2097
02:16:53,476 --> 02:16:58,856
this is oh i went to one gig and you know in the gig they had all of these great visualizations and

2098
02:16:58,856 --> 02:17:02,596
stuff and it was really slamming gig and you know what you can do you can send them bitcoin

2099
02:17:02,596 --> 02:17:08,816
and it goes straight to the artist yeah and the guy told me that you know that you could you could

2100
02:17:08,816 --> 02:17:10,916
buy stuff at the bar with Bitcoin. So we were buying beers

2101
02:17:10,916 --> 02:17:12,796
with it. And they gave us five

2102
02:17:12,796 --> 02:17:14,416
quid when we worked through the door and

2103
02:17:14,416 --> 02:17:16,816
we got a beer and we gave some money to

2104
02:17:16,816 --> 02:17:18,836
the artist and I've got still a little

2105
02:17:18,836 --> 02:17:19,816
bit of it and it's gone up.

2106
02:17:21,136 --> 02:17:22,936
So back to the whole price

2107
02:17:22,936 --> 02:17:24,256
figure game.

2108
02:17:25,436 --> 02:17:26,396
And that's it. They're

2109
02:17:26,396 --> 02:17:28,856
in the rabbit hole. My thing

2110
02:17:28,856 --> 02:17:30,096
always as an educator has been

2111
02:17:30,096 --> 02:17:32,736
bring the people to the

2112
02:17:32,736 --> 02:17:34,816
rabbit hole. That's what you've got to do. You've got to bring

2113
02:17:34,816 --> 02:17:36,596
the people to the rabbit hole and show them what's inside.

2114
02:17:36,596 --> 02:17:42,456
like you know you can't just bring them to the rabbit hole and go oh yeah bye like because if

2115
02:17:42,456 --> 02:17:48,296
you do that like then they go crypto route and they start going all crazy but when you bring

2116
02:17:48,296 --> 02:17:51,976
them to the rabbit hole and you show them what's inside you actually show them what works right

2117
02:17:51,976 --> 02:17:58,316
then they stay there and they they they they they they they they they use that as their first

2118
02:17:58,316 --> 02:18:03,716
experience so showing them that bitcoin that's the advantage bitcoin has over everything bitcoin

2119
02:18:03,716 --> 02:18:10,196
fucking works like and that's it uh so showing them these facets of how bitcoin works is the real

2120
02:18:10,196 --> 02:18:15,736
way to to to bring them in right and yeah so so yeah so look out for that people there's going to

2121
02:18:15,736 --> 02:18:20,436
be a lot of little events that you might see popping up and you're probably gonna know that

2122
02:18:20,436 --> 02:18:26,336
me aaron or monkey would have had some kind of interaction with them right like around the uk so

2123
02:18:26,336 --> 02:18:27,016
100%

2124
02:18:27,016 --> 02:18:27,836
100%

2125
02:18:27,836 --> 02:18:28,996
right okay

2126
02:18:28,996 --> 02:18:30,296
so this is the part

2127
02:18:30,296 --> 02:18:30,776
of the show

2128
02:18:30,776 --> 02:18:31,376
where

2129
02:18:31,376 --> 02:18:32,696
I introduce

2130
02:18:32,696 --> 02:18:34,376
my last song

2131
02:18:34,376 --> 02:18:35,976
I get a choice

2132
02:18:35,976 --> 02:18:36,436
as well

2133
02:18:36,436 --> 02:18:37,376
and it was really difficult

2134
02:18:37,376 --> 02:18:38,076
because I was like

2135
02:18:38,076 --> 02:18:38,856
trying to figure out

2136
02:18:38,856 --> 02:18:39,556
now obviously

2137
02:18:39,556 --> 02:18:39,976
you know

2138
02:18:39,976 --> 02:18:40,796
Nat's going to be bringing

2139
02:18:40,796 --> 02:18:41,776
lots of hip hop

2140
02:18:41,776 --> 02:18:42,636
and lots of rap

2141
02:18:42,636 --> 02:18:43,256
to the game

2142
02:18:43,256 --> 02:18:44,776
and can I match it up

2143
02:18:44,776 --> 02:18:46,156
match it genre specific

2144
02:18:46,156 --> 02:18:47,176
but I thought

2145
02:18:47,176 --> 02:18:47,996
it's you know

2146
02:18:47,996 --> 02:18:48,676
it's

2147
02:18:48,676 --> 02:18:50,096
futile

2148
02:18:50,096 --> 02:18:51,036
for me to do that

2149
02:18:51,036 --> 02:18:51,776
so I'm just going to go

2150
02:18:51,776 --> 02:18:52,416
straight in

2151
02:18:52,416 --> 02:18:53,256
with one of

2152
02:18:53,256 --> 02:18:54,656
one of the artists

2153
02:18:54,656 --> 02:18:55,936
that I brought into the space

2154
02:18:55,936 --> 02:19:06,856
And I just really wanted to share a story if there are any artists or there are any people listening as to this isn't just about money, what we're doing here.

2155
02:19:06,936 --> 02:19:13,296
This is about freedom of freedom of expression and getting your art out there and discovery fundamentally.

2156
02:19:14,436 --> 02:19:20,936
This band is somebody that I've known for over 20 years.

2157
02:19:20,936 --> 02:19:25,736
and over the last couple of years he's gone through a few health issues.

2158
02:19:26,896 --> 02:19:32,896
I'm not going to elaborate too much on that, but he was in a very kind of down state.

2159
02:19:32,996 --> 02:19:39,056
I think it broke up his relationship and I think he's just been struggling with life over the last couple of years.

2160
02:19:40,056 --> 02:19:43,696
However, he's a phenomenal singer, he's a phenomenal songwriter.

2161
02:19:43,696 --> 02:19:52,816
some of you may know him um from you know my my uh neck of the woods uh but his name's nolan abba

2162
02:19:52,816 --> 02:19:57,496
and when i approached him and i said because i'd already brought his brother nathan who had all

2163
02:19:57,496 --> 02:20:05,236
this solo work but they was in a band together called the 54 plates a few years ago and basically

2164
02:20:05,236 --> 02:20:09,836
i because i'd shown nathan this like nathan was like oh yeah you know you need to get onto

2165
02:20:09,836 --> 02:20:13,576
Nolan, he's kind of like withdrawn from society a little bit.

2166
02:20:13,656 --> 02:20:15,576
He's kind of like disappeared a little bit.

2167
02:20:15,676 --> 02:20:16,256
Do you know what I mean?

2168
02:20:16,256 --> 02:20:17,336
And it's a shame.

2169
02:20:17,476 --> 02:20:22,756
And we got to try and get him, get his, you know, get his, his vigor, you know, get his

2170
02:20:22,756 --> 02:20:24,916
spark for life back again.

2171
02:20:25,616 --> 02:20:27,236
So I obviously approached him.

2172
02:20:27,296 --> 02:20:30,816
I said, look, Nolan, you've got an amazing like record.

2173
02:20:31,396 --> 02:20:33,736
Literally all 10 tracks are amazing.

2174
02:20:34,296 --> 02:20:39,096
Inspired by the 90s, by the grunge scene, by the Seattle scene, you know, by all of that.

2175
02:20:39,096 --> 02:20:54,058
You notice who he sounds like when I play the tunes But basically I just want to let people know that since this has come out their band has had like three or four number ones in the open music RSS scene He getting

2176
02:20:54,058 --> 02:21:00,358
contact from people all over the planet. He's been sent Bitcoin from people all over the planet.

2177
02:21:00,678 --> 02:21:06,978
And having his music heard has inspired him enough to get back on the guitar. He's starting

2178
02:21:06,978 --> 02:21:11,878
posting little stories on TikTok and Instagram stories and things like that.

2179
02:21:12,518 --> 02:21:20,718
So this music scene and basically this kind of act of like doing good for people

2180
02:21:20,718 --> 02:21:26,598
and exposing people for the talent they've got, I cannot reiterate how powerful

2181
02:21:26,598 --> 02:21:31,798
this feeling is, the fact that you're being heard and people are acknowledging you.

2182
02:21:31,798 --> 02:21:39,418
for the mental health, for the inspiration, for igniting something,

2183
02:21:39,618 --> 02:21:41,898
being a catalyst of something, you know,

2184
02:21:41,958 --> 02:21:44,918
so much more profound than just number go up.

2185
02:21:45,318 --> 02:21:47,558
This is about discovering people.

2186
02:21:47,818 --> 02:21:49,538
This is about meritocracy.

2187
02:21:49,538 --> 02:21:54,658
This is about people engaging with things that they would never have been able

2188
02:21:54,658 --> 02:21:59,118
to engage with before because they would never have had any access to it.

2189
02:21:59,118 --> 02:22:09,178
Well, this song is 10 Feet. It's by The 54 Plates. I want to play it for you today because it's one of my favourite songs of theirs. So I hope you enjoy it too. This is 10 Feet.

2190
02:22:29,118 --> 02:22:45,158
Whispering words that resemble my fear

2191
02:22:45,158 --> 02:22:55,418
As I've been bruised, beaten and batted down over the years

2192
02:22:59,118 --> 02:23:06,298
I scream, I believe myself all the pain.

2193
02:23:09,098 --> 02:23:12,938
How much do you think I know?

2194
02:23:13,698 --> 02:23:16,138
How much do you care?

2195
02:23:22,798 --> 02:23:29,098
When God pictured beautiful, he had you in his mind.

2196
02:23:29,118 --> 02:23:36,978
It's not a common stuff, make me live

2197
02:23:36,978 --> 02:23:39,258
I'm running out of time

2198
02:23:39,258 --> 02:23:47,378
I'll always be there

2199
02:23:47,378 --> 02:23:51,198
I'm here till the end

2200
02:23:54,078 --> 02:23:57,998
How much do you think I know?

2201
02:23:57,998 --> 02:24:01,118
Won't you pretend

2202
02:24:01,118 --> 02:24:10,798
I breathe

2203
02:24:10,798 --> 02:24:13,118
I see

2204
02:24:13,118 --> 02:24:18,038
I feel no pain

2205
02:24:18,038 --> 02:24:21,038
In love

2206
02:24:21,038 --> 02:24:23,698
Out love

2207
02:24:23,698 --> 02:24:27,598
Do we feel the same

2208
02:24:27,598 --> 02:24:32,698
Do you feel the same?

2209
02:24:34,038 --> 02:24:38,018
I believe my body's down

2210
02:24:38,018 --> 02:24:43,518
Ten feet below the ground

2211
02:24:43,518 --> 02:24:55,538
Oh, I think I love you

2212
02:24:55,538 --> 02:25:06,318
Oh, I believe it's almost this true

2213
02:25:25,538 --> 02:25:38,918
I breathe, I sing, I feel no pain

2214
02:25:38,918 --> 02:25:44,558
In love, in love, oh love, oh love

2215
02:25:44,558 --> 02:25:46,618
Do you feel the same?

2216
02:25:46,618 --> 02:25:48,318
Do you feel the same?

2217
02:25:48,318 --> 02:25:50,298
Do you feel the same?

2218
02:25:51,358 --> 02:25:54,218
I've laid my body down

2219
02:25:54,218 --> 02:26:00,718
Ten feet below the ground

2220
02:26:00,718 --> 02:26:20,378
I breathe, I see, I feel no pain

2221
02:26:20,378 --> 02:26:24,918
In love, out love

2222
02:26:24,918 --> 02:26:27,598
Do you feel the same?

2223
02:26:29,558 --> 02:26:31,238
Do you feel the same?

2224
02:26:32,238 --> 02:26:35,138
I believe my body's down

2225
02:26:35,138 --> 02:26:38,998
Ten feet below the ground

2226
02:26:38,998 --> 02:26:52,998
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh

2227
02:27:08,998 --> 02:27:38,978
Thank you.

2228
02:27:38,998 --> 02:27:47,038
Right, that was 10 feet by the 54 plates.

2229
02:27:47,198 --> 02:27:49,938
Once again, please boost the tracks.

2230
02:27:50,278 --> 02:27:51,298
Please send us some Bitcoin.

2231
02:27:51,618 --> 02:27:54,058
Please send every single artist you've heard today.

2232
02:27:54,198 --> 02:27:54,898
Send them a message.

2233
02:27:55,458 --> 02:27:56,898
Let them know that they've been heard,

2234
02:27:56,998 --> 02:27:58,638
that their music is getting out there.

2235
02:27:59,718 --> 02:28:02,378
Add to the message where you're listening from as well

2236
02:28:02,378 --> 02:28:04,098
because it always blows their mind.

2237
02:28:04,098 --> 02:28:07,818
We had listeners to our show in BitFest from Venezuela.

2238
02:28:07,818 --> 02:28:13,938
do you know what I mean how how mad is that when we was playing playing uh on stage at Bitfest that

2239
02:28:13,938 --> 02:28:19,698
we had sats being sent from Venezuela mate it blew my mind do you know what I mean with what's going

2240
02:28:19,698 --> 02:28:24,978
on over there so yeah send the artists a boost send them a message let them know where you're

2241
02:28:24,978 --> 02:28:32,278
listening from and you know let's go forward together let's kind of like build these new

2242
02:28:32,278 --> 02:28:38,978
these new networks let's build these new um bridges from the fiat legacy world into the bitcoin world

2243
02:28:38,978 --> 02:28:45,918
and let's protect each other enough so that we never have a situation like what we experience

2244
02:28:45,918 --> 02:28:51,258
with spyify and all of that that we don't have to go back into they won't be able to capture this

2245
02:28:51,258 --> 02:28:55,658
network and that's what they're most afraid of do you know what i mean anyway that's enough about

2246
02:28:55,658 --> 02:29:01,978
all of that stuff i hope you've enjoyed the show all it's left for me to say is nat just tell us a

2247
02:29:01,978 --> 02:29:12,278
little bit about where we can follow you follow your work um big r pics or b i g r p i c on x

2248
02:29:12,278 --> 02:29:25,438
um on nostalgene atlas cole um yeah like uh with with 2140 music i mean with 2140 music on

2249
02:29:25,438 --> 02:29:35,518
everything basically or 2140 art on everything um yeah and then the website for 2140 music as i

2250
02:29:35,518 --> 02:29:44,618
said earlier music.2140art.com and that's it really wicked yeah right well i've been your host

2251
02:29:44,618 --> 02:29:51,238
of this hijacked takeover of the sunday brunch i'm aaron of essex you can follow me on nosta

2252
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as well, Aaron of Essex. I also run

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a new music nudge unit, which is my

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nimm for nudging

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musicians into

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the value verse. You can follow me on there.

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But yeah, thanks a lot for today,

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Nat. I hope to see you soon

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and yeah, take care.

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Thanks for inviting me.

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You're welcome.

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Thanks for listening, everyone. Over and out.

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Until next time, see you soon.

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Bye-bye.

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Thank you.