The noise of the week is behind us.
The feed is off.
The record is spinning.
It's time to stop interviewing and start listening.
Welcome to Sunday Brunch.
Right, a big GM to everybody.
Welcome everyone to Sunday Brunch.
I have a small note here from Avi that says,
GM Aaron, I've set the controls to the heart of the sun.
Enjoy.
so there you go let's carry on let's travel to the sun the format is very simple i've been tasked
with bringing a special guest onto the show with me and they can bring five value for value tracks
and we give them a spin they can tell me a little bit about the origin story present day and future
optics and while these songs are on you have the opportunity to zap and boost the music of which
the artist will receive at least 90 percent so today my special guest is someone i've known for
less than 12 months and is the owner of at least six aliases and possibly more but he is the mentor
of the new music economy so please welcome nat cole to the show nat welcome
hey whoa cue applause cue applause thank you very much thank you very much so morning that
how are you first of all yeah i'm good you know like you can't complain when the sun's out in the
uk in it like you know someone said to me yesterday we could get all the seasons in one day in the uk
it's the only country in the world isn't it yeah i mean it's freezing though it is freezing even
though the sun's out don't let it fool you so nat very simply first of all we're here and we're
going to be talking all things value for value the music and things like that but tell me what
is the new music economy oh right oh this is this is there's many many terminologies i would say
right for this but um but basically from my perspective the new music economy is a uh
a new music industry built on a bitcoin standard right if i was to put it into one line you know
and the reason why we call it the new music economy,
I think to Bitcoiners is pretty obvious, right?
But to normies, it sounds a lot better than,
hey, look, put your music on Bitcoin, right?
Hey, we're using Bitcoin and music
or we're creating decentralized music spaces, right?
Because all of that just,
I think it signals to them crypto NFTs, right?
Like through lots of the conversations
that I have with artists over the years.
You know, I mean, I've been talking about Bitcoin being paired with music since like 2015.
Like, you know, so obviously during my shitcoiner days, you know, like that was like an era of always exploration for me.
And I think that coming back around to starting what we started with this movement is, you know, and 2140 music is really kind of coming back around to creating a terminology for it.
doesn't say shitcoiner or some random stuff,
you know, or lead to some other thoughts, right?
It just leads to, I would say, musicians' reactions
are normally like, what is the new music economy?
They are interested because it sounds interesting.
But the term and the phrase itself is not something
that I want to say that I came up with
because I didn't necessarily coin it for the first time
within the music space.
It was something that we were in a meeting saying,
how how can we put this message across in one line without having to say you know the bitcoin
the bad b word to these musicians and um i just randomly said new music economy and we were all
like oh that sounds like really really good like we should use that and then i went into research
and it found out that it had been used before i think the the the original founder of pandora was
the one who coined the phrase new music economy. And the meaning, the classical meaning of new
music economy is musicians utilizing technology to further their independent music careers.
So I was like, I've got to challenge that slightly because it just sounds like a new music
ecosystem. You know, like you come up with Spotify. I'm not, you know, I know we say fuck
spotify right but uh but but we've got to look at it from from just a perspective of the applications
that have been built over the years for musicians right and platforms that have been built and
things that musicians are using so things like spotify apple music so on and so forth have all
classically been classed as new music economy platforms however my argument is that they are
not new music economies or part of even a new music economy they are new music ecosystems because
they are closed ecosystems in which these musicians are participating right when you have
the new music economy you have a way for musicians to participate no matter which level that they're
on and also have economic access without having to ask for permission and that's where bitcoin
comes in and V4V and Podcasting 2.0 and all the wonderful things that have been built with this.
So, yeah, so that's what I would call the new music economy. If you're utilizing Bitcoin in
any way, I don't, you know, I know we like to say spam, right? But I don't disinclude the
ordinals crowd, the guys who are working with music and ordinals, right? Because it's still
allowing musicians to utilize, again, an access,
have that access to putting their music out in a permissionless manner, right?
And they're using Bitcoin.
So it's on a Bitcoin standard, regardless of whether or not, you know,
I agree that it's spam or not.
So, yeah, so that's my roundabout definition of it.
Yeah, I think you're absolutely right.
I mean, when we go to, like, market our gigs now, you know,
we don't really want to talk about the Bitcoin aspect of it.
We want people to be there for the music first and foremost,
because live music is what we all passionate and share a love for.
And, you know, we just want to kind of show.
So having a beautiful little term like new music economy,
it kind of does wrap it up.
And obviously having the NME, that's quite a famous phrase in the UK, isn't it?
With obviously the famous paper, the New Musical Express from back in the day.
so there's kind of like a nice like um circular yeah synergy of it all kind of coming back around
together so i know in the chat uh or in the intro i said um i've only known you for less than 12
months um and you're the owner of at least six aliases you know so that was the funny thing
because i remember when we started chatting about it all of a sudden i'm replying to big rpc over
here and then i'm g-o-l-g-o-l-d over here and then i'm chatting to coin scrum over here and 20
and then we finally meet and i'm like it's all the same guy it's the same guy so you are an absolute
whirlwind when it comes to like you know putting putting this out there and i want to commend you
for that so even though i've known you for less than 12 months you know we've been lucky well i
mean you've been unlucky enough to work with me i suppose on creating the whole bit fest thing last
dear um where do you see where we are right now in the new music economy where are we
i think of is uh well you know we're all gonna say this right in the bitcoin space that we're
all early we're all still very very very extremely early um however in terms of the evolution of the
tooling and the technologies right i think we're kind of at that phase now where um where peer-to-peer
music it's funny as you said it's kind of like a round circle right we've kind of circled back
right because we're here back at peer-to-peer music sharing right where you know like uh the
the bit torrent kazar um lime wire days i would say that we're kind of back there right but um
in the terms of it's all updated now so so so musicians now have easier access to this stuff
and it's more presentable right like back then you know you have to download the the the client
and then find the links and then seed the links
or find somebody else's seeding it or whatever
to be able to actually get access to the music
and then be an MP3 format,
like really low bit rate and whatever else.
But now I think where we're at now
is like we've updated all of that.
So now it's like a beautiful landing page
with an embedded music player
and I have a way to be able to share the music
in a gated fashion, right?
even though it's still available for peer-to-peer sharing,
you know, if I wish to do so and host the songs myself, right,
from a node or from a hard drive on a computer or a server or whatever.
So where I kind of feel that we're at now is we're at that period
where we're just waiting for the Spotify of this era almost, yeah?
And I don't want to say that in a way that conflates things
with it being Spotify, right, because Spotify is, again,
closed-loop music ecosystem, right?
I think that where we're at now is just like the killer app kind of phase, right?
And that's what we're waiting for.
Not even waiting for, I'd say that people are proactively building towards that.
So when we see that killer app with the killer UI that works for the musicians
and also works for the listeners, yeah, and they have the functionality
and kind of feeling that this is something new
in a new way to interact with music, right?
Then when we have that en masse,
we essentially are back at Spotify,
but nice and open and free and, you know,
less restrictions, I would say.
Yeah, I mean, that is the task
for a lot of development at the moment.
I mean, you go back to, I think,
Is it the Mars Attacks film that's still got their website up that they built in like 1997?
Do you know what I mean?
So there's a prime example there of going to have a look at UI back in 1997 and what it was then to how it is now.
And well, this is the thing, isn't it?
This is the beautiful thing with these decentralized protocols that we can all build on top of.
You know, if anyone has an idea, they can go out and vibe code it or create it, put it out there to the world.
and what syncs, syncs, and what swims, swims.
At the end of the day, we have quite a few platforms at the moment
that are built on top.
Obviously, Wavlake or Wavelake, if you like,
they've obviously got that system kind of going,
and the UI was very good on that.
Back in 23, when I started introducing people to the Valueverse,
Wavelake did have a really crisp UI,
and it looked kind of like compelling to people.
People were kind of willing to join it
and it was like looking at it quite nicely.
But now we have things like, you know, Fountain
and we have all the different podcast players
which obviously toe the line or kind of tiptoe the line
either side of podcasting and music.
But now we've got people like Stablecraft.app,
we've got V4V Music, we've got LN Beats,
We've got these standalone music players now that are being developed.
So, you know, I suppose bit by bit, we're getting closer, aren't we,
to that kind of app that has a big marketing budget
that can really kind of get out there.
But this is what I say to people in the biz.
It's like, well, yeah, of course, we've got to get the artists there first.
Do you know what I mean?
So where I'd say we are in the industry is we've got quite a lot of artists.
We've got quite a lot of different genres of music.
there's something for everyone now we need the fans do you know i mean we need to follow through
and bring fans into the the space and listening to the shows and i think the music shows do a great
job of curating music and putting it out there in a compact like hour show and they can show you the
best of the new music that's i've been uploaded that week or they can do throwbacks and things
like that so i think the radio shows are important but unfortunately we still not got one in the uk
Nat, how do we encourage people
to start their own
music shows in the UK?
Well, I think the first
thing is, I think we've got
we do have, let's say, generally
on general
legacy music industry platforms, right?
There are people that are still doing it
and I think
it goes to these
two problems that are presented with getting the fans which is for me what I see is the first problem is is that Bitcoiners that already hold Bitcoin
a lot of them don't even know that this stuff exists, right?
And because Bitcoin's so...
Even though it's like a very kind of a tight-knit
or small space, shall we say, small world almost, right?
Like not everyone's heard of everything
because there's such a breadth of things that can be enabled with Bitcoin, right?
So you could speak to somebody who's like a super duper Bitcoin OG
and they've never even known that anything was going on with music and Bitcoin, right?
And I've had those conversations, right?
So that's one side of the fan kind of equation.
Then the other side of it is how do we get people that are regular people,
aren't normies as we say, right?
how do we get those people because those are the mass right how do we get those people to use these
applications if they're already used to paying 9.99 a month you know me and you talk about this
all the time you've already used to pay 9.99 a month and get everything for seemingly free
which which um which also on the v4v side of things obviously they're not they're not
specifically taking ownership right either of the things so we could argue that okay cool you pay
sats to stream or whatever but you never have actually ownership so that problem still exists
right um just as a note but but it's like um those people come here and they listen for free
like in essence right because they're not going to have any sats yeah so you still got to kind of
find a way to to hit them with the impact of uh using bitcoin on the platforms like why should
they use Bitcoin? Why not just pay 9.99 in fiat or 10 quid in fiat to use some other platform or go
to band camp and support the artists that way, right? Why shouldn't they do that? And that message
is more complex than being able to communicate in a one-liner that says, this is something new,
right? It's something where I think ideologically you need to be able to win the fans over, right?
um and and you know me and k mayfield have this conversation every now and again right it's like
are music fans even really like music fans anymore right like that because again they can access all
of this stuff for basically free yeah so how many of these people are going to go back and actually
want to uh you know pay the artist directly and how many of these people um you know as kane would
say you know kane doesn't like to call call them fans he says collectors you know i like to serve
collectors right people who are going to value my art in the way that they would like to own
it yeah right um and i think that that's still not i think it's being tackled in the new music
economy as a whole but it's not being tackled on the v4v side of things right and um yeah i know
we could say hey value sharing and open source everything and all the rest of it but that ain't
paying a single musician's bills or their studio sessions right like or their master it sessions so
like um yeah we just gotta find a happy medium i suppose between between between these things
on both the side of as i said uh you know people who who are in the bitcoin space will they be
happy to to to to start you know using these platforms and supporting artists that are using
Bitcoin, right? And then
on the other side, you know, how can
we educate the average
music listener or average music
fan or collector
in a way that they
will also support musicians.
Because if their favorite musician joins,
like, you know, as you said, you've got
this mass, right, of marketing,
crazy marketing budget, right?
So if you've got, like, I don't know, like,
I'm going to say 50 cent
out of the blue, right? Like, if you've got that 50 cent
or Eminem says,
hey,
you know,
I'm joining Wavelick,
right?
My new album is coming out on Wavelick.
It's good.
They're all going to go to Wavelick,
but they're all just going to listen to it free.
Right?
Yeah.
And essentially they can,
if they wanted to download it for free,
if they wanted to.
Yeah.
Cause we never get around the problem of people being able to record stuff
directly.
You know,
like I could just set up a internal loop on my computer and just record
through an audio channel into a door or something like that.
And then I've got your song for free anyway.
Right?
so we're never going to that that's never ever going to go away right can't combat that but um
but uh but just because m&m decides to use wave lake does it mean that those users are going to
come and use bitcoin no it doesn't yeah they're all just going to come and listen to it for free
yeah so we need to find a way to be able to kind of um not enforce i don't like to say enforce
but what i would say because that sounds like you're forcing them right but i would say we need
to find a way to quietly educate them on why they should support M&M, right, through using
Bitcoin in this platform, right?
You know, or 50 Cent or whatever.
And it's funny that I said 50 Cent at the beginning because, you know, he is one of the
people who have historically used Bitcoin to sell an album, right?
So there's different ways, there's variations of ways to basically, I think, use all of
this technology.
and there are some downsides to it, you know, to each different thing,
you know, each different portion.
I'm just thinking has that message got to come from the artists themselves,
direct to the fans, you know, it's all very well you and I standing up there
and, you know, presenting a live show and saying, yeah, everyone, you know,
download this app and, you know, support artists directly.
But I think that that message is a lot more powerful when it comes
from the actual artists themselves.
Do you think artists will eventually get tired of the whole Spotify monopoly
and start withdrawing their music from there just due to the fact that,
you know, if my music is so readily available over here on Spotify,
then I can't actually bring anybody over here because they're just going to go
and do, you know, the path of least resistance, which is, oh,
I'm just going to tune into Spotify.
Or do we need to really progress the message that Spotify is almost literally killing the industry and it's killing new music's hopes and ambition because of obviously all the AI, all the terms and conditions.
You know, when it comes to, you know, you upload your music to Spotify,
we can basically remix it and feed that into AI and change the song completely,
but take elements from it.
Oh, and by the way, we're going to give you zero credit for it.
You know, has that movement got to start with the artists?
Artists like you say, Eminem going and Snoop Dogg,
Snoop Dogg turning around saying, they don't pay me for this.
You know, why am I putting it out there?
Why am I putting it on there?
Has there got to be
A kind of an exit
From the artist
Will that encourage people to come over
Do you think
I think yes
I think the more noise that artists make about
The disparities
In the traditional industry
And start obviously pointing people
Elsewhere
Then they will do because we can see that even now
We're just direct to fan
People just setting up their own website
And just selling music directly
we can see that there is a hunger from fans
to want to be a part of an experience
as we were saying the other days
not always just about the music
so I think it is largely down to the artist
to communicate the actual messages
I think what you find
or just in my personal research
when I'm speaking to artists
is that a lot of them are still kind of
hazed by the the um the unit bias yeah right like that appears from saying hey i put my stuff on
spotify spotify is like has the most listeners right um so i'm going to get lots of discovery
right and that's what they seem to think they never kind of like uh you know look at it from
the angle of uh well you know if i'm a small fish and i enter into the ocean which has lots of sharks
and whales and uh and loads of other fish in it loads of other small fish and there's like actually
you know what is it like uh it's like 1 million 1.5 million small fish interacting here a day
yeah like or is it an hour i think it's an hour on youtube isn't it right like so um so you know
like how do you you know it's like you're trying to kind of enter the marketplace and just trying
to grab anybody because there's loads of people around you're just trying to you know grab anyone
that's around right and i get that right i get that because you know there's it as the visibility
shall i say right or the number of impressions that you you're likely to get is going to be higher
right however if you go into if you look at from i'm a small fish and i enter into a pond
with just a few other small fish in it yeah and maybe there's you know one or two slightly bigger
medium-sized fish in there, right?
But there's actually, like,
lots of people that are interested
in these fishes, like,
because they can't be interested
in anything else.
If there's me and five other artists,
yeah, right,
if people start discovering this platform,
I'm likely to,
way more likely to be listened to.
But it's how many people
are going to actually discover the platform.
Like you said,
that comes back to the kind of
million dollar marketing campaign budget again right you know um if these platforms can get in
front of these people then these people might start to use them and that gives the artist the
same level of discovery and that's where the artist says hey i would now love to use the new
music economy stuff because i can get the same discovery that i or a similar discovery that i
can get on or even a better discovery right um and that's a message that obviously with myself
with yourself other people that are doing uh music within this new music economy are trying
to push forward to people is that you're going to spotify yeah you might get this thousand play
uh threshold that you need to even get a red cent on there right but if you come into this smaller
pond this smaller pond has got only 10 000 people here right basically so you might find uh the same
thousand people might be you're basically you can find the same thousand people it might be a little
uh bit more of a grind because you know or feel like a little bit more of a grind because you're
coming to a smaller place and you feel like you need to tell more people about and people are not
interacting straight away and all the rest of it but once you do get people to interact in this
smaller crowd of 10 000 people yeah right it's much easier to go from 100 to a thousand from a
thousand to ten thousand right because there's only those people so so yeah and i suppose even
that would get flipped on its head one day right if we if we have this killer app as we said right
like and everyone just goes and starts using let's say wave lake or fountain or whatever
right then you have exactly the same problem right again but but the difference is with
a new music economy standard what you would have yeah is the fact that the person could switch the
client that's what we have with like nostal right so the person could easily switch the client again
they don't like what fountain is doing okay cool i'll just go and use wavelength i don't like what
wavelength is doing cool i'll go and use lmbs oh i'm tired you know of uh these music platforms
because they haven't got some feature that I feel is really important to people.
And then you just build your own one.
And there is just no one that you have to ask permission for this stuff, right?
So, yeah, it's a wide dynamic.
But, like, yeah, to look at it from that angle, that's what I would say, right?
Like, we need to get the message out there from our perspective as the professionals
or the people are educating or the platform builders is that, you know,
this is not just a new platform with new features and a new music economy,
so to speak, but the listener base here actually care, basically, right?
And it's a smaller listener base.
So your probability of getting a long-term listener base is going to be much higher.
Yeah, not the easiest thing to explain, obviously, to somebody who's just like,
hey, I just want to pay my $9.99 and listen.
Yeah, totally.
I mean, I think Hash Power Music, Bittish,
I think they paid for or they did some research into listeners to Spotify,
like the value of one listener on Spotify is nowhere near as high
as the value of one listener in the V4V space.
You know, something like 144 times more valuable.
do you know what i mean in terms of like the economy well that's so it's pretty it's pretty
plain because if somebody sends you like 10 sats even yeah use quite a lot of listens on spotify
to get 10 yeah 100 and and of course the underlying thing they paying you in is is fiat so by the time you get it it probably lost another 10 value Do you know what I mean Anyway should we go into the first track that you chosen today Nat
Should we play the first bit of music?
I'm sure there's people out there.
Have we got them in any particular order?
I don't think we had them in any particular order.
Well, I've put them in an order just easier for me to, like, navigate.
So this first track is called Italian Job and it's by Air Clips.
the same when they're in the ground our sounds rock the same when you're in the sound i lost
bread and found love seeking it first was surfing then was submarine deep in it i tried to keep it
under wraps end up leaking it they said i couldn't break the spell without speaking it the meek visit
blessings on the strong for protection from the wild but that's where we all belong in the song
of the rigid the notes aren't often wrong just unnecessary but you don't notice until they're
wanna go, go, of dreams
yeah
Strollin' in the afternoon I'm proxy dabbin'
See feds with sniffer dogs, there'll be a lot to grabbin'
Used to fight with fists, now there's a lot of stabbins
We catch a contact high from all them drugs we baggin'
I live a lavish life compared to where I come from
And blind leading blind, there was bare assumption
Them older brothers pussy cause they fear the truncheon
And we become them older brothers down there in the dungeon
I had to mix legit with my road credentials
Cause being prepared to bullshit it's so essential
And being prepared to steal from the ones who stole
It's sometimes the only way to make him whole
I find a way to grow, relinquish control
Start listening to your soul, this isn't your role
Stop rapping about them stacks you were meant to hold
Or that massive mansion that you live in with a centerfold
Big Eclipse
Cheers!
Mr. Crips, jack my beat
Sulla traccia per il 2025
Uomo, uomo
Cazzo, boy
Uomo, we siamo beat boys
Inguottati, incazzati, incazzati
Sempre per strada
Strada, questa è la strada
Uomo, uomo, sai com'è
Fun life, rank life
Babe life, deep life
Check it out, show
Back before the fucking beat
Right, that was Italian Job
by Air Clips.
Do you want to tell us a little bit about that track
and why you chose it?
Do you know what, Rack?
What I actually did for the choice of this list of tracks
is I spoke to each artist
and I asked them what they thought
would probably represent them the best.
There's another track that we've got for later,
obviously, that Clips had originally chose.
But I said to him that he should try and choose something
that is more towards him in it,
like what he wants with just him on it, mate.
basically.
And something that maybe people haven't,
haven't have heard yet.
So,
so yeah,
so I'm probably better off speaking more about each artist as they come up.
Right.
But with Eclipse,
he's been a friend of mine,
you know,
and a collaborator for many,
many,
many years now,
best part of 20 years.
And,
you know,
I like to call him the hardest working MC in the UK.
Right.
And the reason why I say this is because he went on a long streak of just putting out albums, just putting out albums, just like it's inspired by like a few like kind of American rappers as well.
You know, that we all were fans of. And he was like, you know what, I'm just going to just try and put an album every month.
and then that just turned into him doing like albums and eps uh so frequently that he
in 2024 i think he put out about 20 projects like or something like that in 2024 so
like um 2025 i think he did maybe about 15 um and even this year alone i think he's recorded like
eight projects already or something like that right so like he's very prolific in those
terms and he just continues to record like every single day he's got you know like new things coming
out um but yeah i mean his his background generally uh as i said has been both a producer
and also uh you know a rapper in the hip-hop space he's very popular amongst the london and
the uk underground uh quite a lot of people people know about him but we've been talking about bitcoin
forever right so like back in 2014 i was like hey bro look you should start doing this bitcoin stuff
right like you know with me and whatever and like we think that it could change the music game one
day like because of you know by that time we'd learned about blockchain and we'd like okay yeah
blockchain uh you know uh in the terms of its basis could change the way how music royalties
are paid and and stuff so um again very early days nobody don't shoot me for if uh if it sounds
shit coinery right but but um yeah so that's that's how we thought of things so you know we
were we used to discuss it all the time you know like and back then he was uh he bought a little
bit of bitcoin and some litecoin and monero and stuff and you know like messing around with stuff
right like so um so he wasn't he's not new to this stuff so when when i kind of had this idea
to put together this thing uh as 2140 music it was like you know are you interested in
utilizing this stuff, bro.
Like for the first time,
here's some stuff where it could be utilized
in a very easy way.
You haven't got to do this, you know,
Bitcoin degree, basically, right?
Like to understand how it works.
Like, do you want to start using some of this stuff
and testing it out?
And he was like, yeah, of course.
Like, you know, if it's another avenue
to put my music on, then 100%.
And if it's like Bitcoin,
then I'm moving away from this legacy system bullshit.
right so i was like yeah cool and um you know since then he's just started to slowly move over
to putting his stuff on wave lake um using nostar a little bit as well um and yeah he's just he's
just trying to find his way in having the time between recording and putting stuff out to actually
um to actually you know learn more about bitcoin and just become more involved right so uh so yeah
so that's the track that he chose the italian job um as you can hear from from from what uh
air clips does and all of us kind of uh at the moment with 2140 music we're uh into that boom
back era of hip-hop you know the golden age um you know very lyric heavy bassline drums heavy
uh hip-hop and um yeah man that's it go and check him out man air clips a i r k l i p z
yeah wicked i want to give eclips a shout out as well i met him for the first time at the
halloween thing you did a bricks london last year and then obviously we worked together on the bit
fest show last year which um there is a full highlight video up on youtube that people can
go and check out and you can see um basically all of these artists i think that we're featuring
in today you can you can see and hear them live in the flesh as well um yeah i think the the
beautiful thing about hip-hop and rap is like lyrically the social commentary that you guys
provide do you know what i mean tends to like with rock and roll and things like that it's you know
be a bit more love songs and a bit more but i think with with a lot of the lyrics i'd say it's
the same i'd say it's the same like literally right lyrics again going back to the conversation
that me and you always have right this these form formats hip-hop you know rock punk blues jazz
yeah right like reggae you know like dancehall music drum and bass house these are all rebel
music like this is like establishment yeah exactly the musicians are here and we're fucking putting
our message across and everyone's going to fucking listen because you know we've made it sound
fucking beautiful in it we've we've we've made it um we've made it vibrate along with your
uh human vibration your frequency yeah that's it right so so yeah yeah that's the thing isn't it
because um was it was it p diddy that said you know um about the a and the b side like literally
on the a side give them what they want to hear and then like make your b side something uh profound
and and the message that you want to get get out and that that's the thing isn't it you know
music in itself can be a vehicle and a trojan horse to put in a point across you know and i
think that's a lot of the time people dismiss that oh it's got a nice beat or it's got a bit
of a jingle or it makes me feel good or whatever but there's there's an underlying message isn't
there do you know what i mean to a lot of like a lot of the most powerful powerful songs ever been
made so so you spoke about 2140 give us a little breakdown of what that actually is and and what
you've created there so so 2140 music is a sub community really but of something that i started
back in 2023 now.
And really and truthfully,
it came off the back of this idea, 2140R.
And 2140R originally was just me
putting new music out there.
And, you know, you've got DistroKid or Spotify,
whatever, it will ask you what label,
you know, was this released under.
And I just didn't want to put anything
that sounded even remotely Bitcoin
to a normie yeah um i could have put bitcoin music you know bitcoin this or you know btc
something right like these are all the things that i just and i just typed in 2140 art right
like that like i was like it's not just music it's art like because i'm not just interested
in doing music like and music itself is an art form right um so yeah i did that and then that
gave me a fault uh from just doing that like hey nobody actually is talking about this as though
it is these different facets of bitcoin that it's all an art right like it's the code is an art
the understanding of the monetary aspect of it is an art form within itself yeah community uh
getting together based on this message, right?
You know, like, and then also you have that,
the music and the actual art, right?
Like let's say that, you know,
painting so-and-so for visual art, right?
And then it just culminated in this thought of,
hey, again, is there a way to actually
put all of these messages across in that format
that is very friendly to the average person?
Again, without saying Bitcoin, right?
So I took that 2140 art and was like,
I'm going to create an online zine, yeah, that is talking about these different aspects. So,
you know, we have money, culture, which obviously encapsulates community. We have art, you know,
music, right? So we talk about these different things. And that way, people are kind of, you know,
the people who are looking at Bitcoin from a monetary aspect still end up on the site, right?
and then now they discover this culture that exists within Bitcoin.
People are looking at it from a community perspective.
We can say, hey, we're doing all these grassroots community works
that we know so many great Bitcoin communities do.
So when they go there, they start reading about things
that are community-based grassroots projects, right?
And then they tie it back to Bitcoin, not being like they come there
and it goes Bitcoin, Bitcoin, Bitcoin, all the way on the front page.
They look at culture and it's about all these community initiatives
and then they realize that these community initiatives
are powered by Bitcoin.
And then, you know, music for obvious reasons, right?
As we've discussed.
And then art itself,
like what people were doing with Bitcoin art.
And this was obviously not ordinals everywhere
and whatever, right?
This is that what people are doing
with physical Bitcoin art,
what people are doing with ordinals,
what people are doing with Bitcoin layer twos with art,
you know, NFTs, it doesn't matter,
whatever it is, right?
If it's art, it's art, right?
so um so that's where it kind of started from right and i was writing for a couple of months
and it just got on top right to the point that i was like oh bloody hell man i'm doing all these
other things and then i got to write these articles like and then i got to now find other people to write other articles and thanks to like people like susie and other people because a few people have already started to contribute to the site by this time So I was like okay cool Um this is cool but it taken me
it's kind of like me doing the same thing that I'm always doing.
Like I don't want to do this at the moment.
I want to kind of pivot it a little bit.
And obviously I was still doing stuff with, with Coin Scrum at the time.
And Nick, who I was working with at Coin Scrum was like,
you should really try and tap back into the music side of it because that's kind of your first idea
that you had when you got him right and it's all very accessible now obviously not as we said the
easiest for the average user but for somebody who's in the bitcoin space it's super accessible
and for an average musician who has you know is uploading their stuff as you said on spotify
That's technical enough, right, for the average person.
So they should be able to grasp it with the tools that exist now.
And that's what made me kind of spin it off and say,
okay, I'm going to focus on 2140 music,
and I'm going to start speaking to the musicians that I know
from being around the industry and in the industry for a period of time.
And yeah, just all the musicians that were around me,
like, hey, would you guys be interested in doing this?
like and as you said because hip-hop predominantly is like you know uh
uh social commentary as you said and and and anti-establishment to some degree right
uh rebel music it's like um hey guys how about learning about this and fuck the system at the
same time right like instead of just talking about it um and yeah that was it so it was like
okay cool i want to make this something separate i don't want to keep it as maybe i'll keep it under
the same banner for for you know social media stuff like that but i want to make it something
separate because it focuses on just music and just musicians and that led me to obviously dive in
deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole on as i've said to you both sides of things because at the
time obviously ordinal stuff had been popping off right so people were discovering what they could do
on chain with music and then you have this kind of uh you know what what what um adam curry's built
with uh uh this long-standing v for v space so as i've said to you in other conversations that
we've had one side kind of solves one set of problems and the other side solves another set
of problems right um but ultimately they all again fall under uh the new music economy as
we said at the beginning like they both fall under that bitcoin standard so so yeah so 2140
music was born and from there it was like how can we find ways to educate people but then also
entertain them at the same time right um and throughout utilizing this technology just all
the way through um so yeah so then that's when we started then we set up our first event first event
was literally like we have two rooms in that venue so shout out to brixtonia lounge in brixton
you know like the guy in there
Ahmad was pretty helpful
and gave us that venue for free
so we had
upstairs as like a kind of
classroom set up
and people come in, musicians come in
in the first hour or so
we give them a talk about what we're doing, who we are
and what the new music economy
is about, keep it very basic
and like you know
surface level and then
after that we'd all go downstairs
and people would still be coming in.
So we'd have that environment
and we'd have all of these performances.
And the artists would give a quick speech
maybe about why they came
or why they think that the new music economy
is interesting to them.
And then we just continued doing it.
So yeah, that's the birth of it.
So you're saying like 2140 is more of a kind of event
slash education slash, is it a website?
Do you have a website for it?
yeah we do have a website it's music.2140art.com okay uh and and at the moment i would say we're
we're we're kind of just really more facilitator yeah right and that's where our place place us
because you we our main kind of things are around education yeah uh activation so doing you know
live events and everything else, as you said, utilizing the technology.
And then it is curation, I would say, is the next thing, right?
And then we have bookings as well, right?
Because the artists that are utilizing this technology,
we feel that they need to have some help in bridging the gap between them
and gigs that they could potentially find within this space
or people that are supporting this technology.
So, you know, they're not going to know about some club, pub or bar in Poland
or something that is, you know, a Bitcoiner place where Bitcoiners go
and they could probably set up a gig over there, right?
So our kind of role in that sense is to be able to go back and forth
between promoter, venue and the artist and try and find a reasonable booking,
you know, for the artist as well.
So there's all of these different things that we could do.
And I suppose that might expertise.
I've done event curation.
I've done event promoter.
I've done event manager.
I've managed my own catalogue.
So I understand in terms of music manager, how that works, distribution.
I've done a little bit of everything.
All right.
Well, let's dive into a bit more about you after this next track.
The next track, we've got Blow Out the Candles.
And this is by Andy Prince.
cold listening to dark and cold mixtapes always rewind my favorite bits that resonate with the
life i was living then giving friends a way to make a living and others on ends felt jealous so
i brought them in we was making way more than tennis eating pizza with the fennel sausage on
it teenage boss always running shit wanted to spit that chronic on the drum patterns i was loving
but as a youngin i had something and nothing yet i hadn't met eclipse or kenny beers and many things
hadn't happened holding cells and losing friends acting a fool and being beaten by my dad through
the ends for stupid shit but if he knew the shit i was really doing i probably wouldn't be doing this
you gotta go for what you want in life you gotta go for what you need in time you'll find the light
was inside you to design how you define your mind through the streams of lies you gotta go for what
you want in life you gotta go for what you need in time you'll find the light was inside you to
design how you define your mind through the streams of lies these dreams of mine planted
like a seed in time to feed the feed of me that breeds a rhyme peace and line together with ease
to bind the treasure to free the mind i can't leave it behind on done into court i'm still on
it and sure i got something to share but i honestly thought no one would care so the record wasn't put
out there but now i'm out here without a doubt announcing i was keen to find the means to keep
the dreams alive keep them on the toe the gatekeeper froze keen to keep the codes of these
calculated flows i'm about to make it gold through aims and goals but how long is it taking is it
taking its toll i was placed in the road displaced from my home but now that i'm grown i'm breaking
the mold embracing my foes stay in the zone and pray for their souls you gotta go for what you
One in life? You gotta go for what you need and time.
You'll find the light was inside you to design how you define your mind through the streams of lies.
You gotta go for what you want in life?
You gotta go for what you need and time.
You'll find the light was inside you to design how you define your mind.
So keep dreaming bright. Stop impeding the shine.
It's in fashion to free your mind and the rest will follow.
So smell the flowers and blow out the candles.
That was Blow Out the Candles by Andy Prince.
And remember, you can boost that track.
The artist will get 90% of the zap.
So make sure you give it a boost if you like it and send Andy a message and let him know that you're listening to it.
So then, Nat, like you were talking earlier about 2140 being a vehicle for you to push the culture.
You know, it's a culture maxi kind of train that you've built to, like you say, bridge the gap between legacy system and the Bitcoin system through not only education, but events and artists and all of that, which is all like powerful stuff.
And trust me, I don't know where you find the time to squeeze all this in because, you know, with the amount of artists that you're kind of representing and the amount of events that need to be planned and pre-planned and promotion and all that, I take my hat off to you.
But I want to know a little bit more about Nat, the man, the artist.
I mean, obviously, I don't want you to dox yourself too much, but are you a family man?
You know, where do you come from?
who your inspiration is and i suppose most importantly who got you into bitcoin as well
yeah yeah thank you i mean and i gotta take uh my hat off to you as well because again i don't
know where you find the time because it is it is a lot more work than people think that it actually
is right like to have these conversations and to put together and formulate even just we love it
don't we we love it yeah yeah we're fully immersed in it we wouldn't we wouldn't have it any other
i'd say i'd say i'd say where we synergize most are and and where bitcoiners i think just generally
synergize is the freedom aspect of it it's the sovereignty right you know so um so that is the
big driver i would say right the big driver so um without kind of going into a super long history
of things with me.
On my side, yeah, I mean, I'm just a regular guy, right?
Like anybody else, to be honest.
As you said, family man, you know,
like I've always been into music and computing.
Those, since I was a child, those have been my two things, yeah?
Like music and computing.
So when it comes to the music side, like I've had many, many roles.
I have a lot of family that are, you know,
always been kind of in and around the music industry.
My dad's prior to, my background is primarily Jamaica,
my mum and my dad's side.
But my dad, you know, when he came to the UK,
he had already been, you know, an electronics engineer in Jamaica,
you know, building speaker boxes, sound systems,
and running sounds and stuff like that.
That is a big heritage thing for Jamaica, you know, in Jamaica, right?
So sound systems is massive.
So when he first came over, he was a record collector.
He was a DJ, a technician, and, you know, he went into electronics engineering.
So as I was growing up, all I had in my house was TVs, videos, speakers, like everywhere, like literally everywhere.
You just open a cupboard and circuitry would fall on you.
Right. So, so, yes, I've always had kind of that interest as well, because it's always been around me.
Right. And I suppose that's what led me maybe to computing.
Right. But two of my uncles, especially, you know, were big in computing.
And, you know, they got me introduced to like MS-DOS and stuff and Unix and stuff like that, like really, really, really early.
right like um using like um they use it in scratch now in the schools i've noticed but using like
turtle and a lot of people might really remember that right if you're showing your age right um
you know so so like i always fast was fascinated by computers always fascinated by computers
and uh let me just interject your old man was he was he ever involved in like notting hill carnival
and doing things like that back in the day or not?
Probably, probably.
Like, I've never heard stories of him directly.
Like, one of his mates, right, like, he went on to be, like,
a really kind of involved big DJ in, like,
North West London and North London,
and they had a really decent sound.
And, again, when my dad first came over, they were doing that.
So it wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't, right?
like I've just never had any
direct stories of him saying
hey he was at Notting Hill
Carnival doing this.
Is he still with us?
No he's not.
That's a shame.
So yeah my dad passed
just literally as I was kind of at tools coming towards the end of my teens.
And we never had the best relationship either.
So, you know, we lived together, but we never had like the best relationship.
So, you know, I learned a lot of the stuff looking over his shoulder
rather than it being taught to me by him.
And it's the same with computing.
So I think it's just, you know, me and my other cousin,
we always make jokes about this because there's quite a lot of engineers
in that side of the family.
and we're like, it's just like a tinkerer's thing, isn't it?
You just pick it up maybe from your DNA, right?
And just seeing it around you.
So I just started doing that stuff.
Like I started tinkering with stuff in my bedroom.
Like, you know, like I remember those all-in-one stereos
you used to get with the little deck on top of it, yeah?
Like I remember like I used to take off the old MDF
off the back of those, yeah?
We used to rewire it so that we could wire it
into another cassette recorder
and record multiple cassettes at the same time
and all of these crazy little things, right?
These little experiments that I used to run.
And by the time I got to like 10 years old,
I started ordering computer parts.
So, you know, I'd fake that I was an 18-year-old
because back then mail order, you know,
you used to have the signature part.
They'd say, oh, you know, you have to be over 18 or whatever.
So I used to like write checks and postal orders
and send to buy computer parts, right?
I wanted to put together my own computer.
and then my uncle came and he said uh look you know like he's got a mate that he'll take us over
to and his mate will help us to you know put together the computer or whatever so i start
putting together my own computer i didn't go over there i choose all of these parts that i want
uh from this guy mr sing right he used to call him and he used to be the guy that
he was like the cypherpunk right my uncle's mates right like so uh so he he built this computer for
me and I had like latest graphics card like latest everything and it was like a birthday present from
my dad basically and then I got home and I was like right now how do I how do I dismantle this
right if any if anyone um that's listening has ever read the book Miles and the Screwdriver
yeah like I used that was my favorite book growing up like and it's about a boy who finds a screwdriver
one day um like and he just starts to dismantle everything till he's about to actually pull a
massive screw out of the middle of the world and god kind of comes out of the blue and says
you can't remove that screw bro no you can't remove that screw like if you remove that screw
like you undo so much different things and uh like miles obviously the moral of the story is that
miles learns that there are some things that you can undo and fix yourself and other things that
you shouldn't just really shouldn't undo right but like it was the tinkering aspect of it that
made me like say yeah so um so yeah anyway as i said i got that computer i started then
faffing around with that computer and at the same time i was like you know recording like little
demos like rapping myself i was making beats like on i've been doing that forever like on
little casio keyboard me and my other cousin and um so again it's just like all of this stuff has
just been around me all of this time right so um so going into my teenage years was more
um more just doing like just rapping and production and stuff like that um and you know i used to go
around like doing talent contests and you know like with rap you know you do a lot of like
freestyling and battling and you know cyphers as we call them so we do like a lot of that as well
and then yeah just kind of like got really really known around that the local area for like doing
like being that kind of guy who raps like that right so so then I kind of it kind of tied back
to to the to the music industry in my later teams because I was a naughty kid and I got kicked out
of school and when I got kicked out of school you know back in the day in South London there
were so many different community projects that were like uh black owned community projects right
like it was a lot of like rastafarian community and stuff would run these things so i used to go
to a saturday school right called uh the famous place in dettford called moonshot right um and uh
that was run by like uh these rastafarians right and they introduced me uh palmer uh everyone again
if you're from south london and you hear these names and places you're gonna know exactly what
talking about what i'm talking about but uh palmer the guy who owned the actual moonshot and was
running it he introduced me to this other guy uh steve and steve uh ran this uh community
organization called pma positive mental attitude and what they actually did was teach youth about
sound engineering and video uh editing and stuff like that right so um so i was kicked out of
school nothing else better to do um and ended up started to go to pma so in whilst i was at pma i
mean i've been in studios again i tinkered and all of that other stuff and i was a dj you know
like kid dj throughout all of this time uh used to dj at the youth clubs using our parents decks
and stuff right like in a mixer that we bought from tandy right so um so i was pretty involved
But what that gave me was the actual sound engineering qualification.
So I actually learned studio engineering in that time that I was kicked out of school.
I got a City and Guilds intermediate level City and Guilds qualification from that.
I learned video editing as well.
I actually was interacting with reel-to-reel because this was before Cubase VST.
So I'm an Atari Cubase person.
Yeah.
Like I've used the reel to reel.
I've done the vinyl.
I've done the tape.
You know, I was here in the mini disc era.
So I like to say, like, I've experienced so many different facets of the music industry again, and just music creation through that.
But then again, on the other side, on the computing side, I had the Internet very early as well.
I convinced my uncle is again.
right so i convinced my dad like we got a 14 kb modem and here i was disrupting everybody's
cool time every day right like you know just discovering the internet um you know and uh
then we got a 56k modem like i think i saved up for that one um then i went to dixon's and bought
it right where dixon's and curry's used to exist right like yeah so went to dixon's bought myself
a 56kb modem
installed it and that was
like oh my days
that was like
one TV internet
one GB internet sorry back
then
yeah oh my god like the image is loaded
in under 10 minutes
yeah
and then someone used to pick up the
landline didn't they and then obviously
it would all go haywire right
remember when those filters came
out where you could like that was
innovation i can use the telephone and access the internet at the same time you know something as
simple as that do you know what i mean yeah so so so that's my teenage years right that's my my
childhood teenage formulative years yeah constantly back and forth between the two music
computing music computing and um so if we fast forward is that 90s is that early double o's
Yeah, this is 80s, 90s.
Okay, so who are the musical actors?
I'm an early 80s baby, just put it that way.
So who you're early at that time, who you're listening to?
Like who's inspiring you musically and sonically at that time?
I mean, obviously there's, I would say being in the UK, right,
you had Top of the Pops and the Chacha, right?
So the influence was obviously heavily Britpop and punk music
and stuff that was still going on in the British scene.
But let's say culturally in the household,
it was Peter Tosh, Bob Marley, Bunny Whaler.
Yeah, right.
We had the Dancehall era was obviously kicking off.
So Shabba Ranks and Budja Banton and Beanie Man and Bounty Killer.
you know um and then you have the hip-hop era so like run dmc you know um later on it was uh
what we had run dmc the early days run dmc nwa ist uh meli mel marley mara kim you know that's
all the early days and then later on it became um obviously hip-hop became the thing that i kind of
gravitated towards most but um but you know my cousins well i've got a pretty big family on both
sides my cousins used to come around and then those guys at that age they were like going out
to like the drum and bass raves and that they were like part of the early drum and bass scene and
and everything else and the house rave scene right so i was listening to all of that stuff as well i
was just in taking all of it right and it was just all one melting pot of music um and then my dad
he was more reggae and reg groove and soul and funk like he was very heavy on the funk as well
my dad like so you know i've got lots of family in california as well west coast so
very heavily influenced by the west coast music uh american music as well at the time
um and jazz as well you know um so yeah just everything man like my mom as well she's the
same way she listens to everything i mean she's got her own radio show up until this day right like
she still uh still does all of this stuff she collects everything she listens to everything
like even the stuff that i listen to like my dad would my dad you know we he would he would be like
oh you know that turn off that shit or whatever right like with the hip-hop but my mom was never
like that my mom would be a bit more like she didn't really like the explicit stuff so much but
you know she understood that they got a message right to put across right so um
she wasn't really so much on this business.
She would always be saying like,
oh,
why they got to be saying bitch this or fuck this or whatever.
Like why they got to be saying all that shit.
She's like,
it's good music,
but they just,
why are they swearing?
That's what I always say.
After that we're in this debate,
literally two days ago,
we were having this debate again.
And we were like,
it's the emphasis,
mom,
like,
you know,
when you're putting your fucking heart and soul into the music,
like I've just said,
fucking,
you want to fucking say,
fuck it.
Like you don't want to,
you don't want to replace it with some other,
softcore word right that is what we say fuck spotify yeah instead of cancel spotify um so
did i catch that right did you just say that your mum does a radio show roge yeah yeah my mum still
still runs a radio show now she uh she's legacy uh no way why don't you get her to play some v4v
and create a she is she is going to be hooked up and that's what i'm saying as i'm just because
you know obviously i'm doing the studio next door yeah so i'm rebuilding i'm rebuilding the studio
next door as as you know right like and once i've got the studio rebuilt next door and i've done my
own hookup and set it up and i've got i've ironed out the kinks shall i say right because if i go to
her now and talk about it it's just going to be like every two seconds she'll be calling me with
some problem right so i've got to iron out the kinks and find a way to make it very easy to
on board her but um i will be bringing her to the v4v space so that she can um she can have her show
you know bounced off for the fountain or that'll be epic i can't wait to hear that and that's mum
presenting a v4v show i mean that'd be awesome i'd love that love that so um so yeah so basically
this is why you're a bitcoiner that book that favorite book child's book what did you say it
was andy and his screwdriver miles and the screwdriver like unscrewing that final screw
you know you're unplugging the fiat world aren't we i mean basically that is a metaphor
for where we are right now right you are you're staring at that final screw
and you're wanting to unscrew it and and exactly and and that's where you where you just said that
discovery of bitcoin i didn't get to that part but the discovery of bitcoin for me and i was
literally talking to again in the same conversation i was having my mom funny enough
and um we i was going back and forth on like what i learned from being in both households
mom and dad split up when i was pretty young so from being in each household i learned different
things in my dad's side of the family everybody's like very qualified kind of like you know uh go to
school go to uni you know study get your phd you know get a job whatever right kind of thing
um and that's my dad's side of the family but my mom's side of the family is more like rebels it's
like all creative and like do your own thing and build your own be your own self right like um
and don't get me wrong there's loads of people that are very highly qualified in my mom's side
of the family as well but you know my aunties my uncles they've always run grassroots uh
organizations right they still do up until now like my my granddad was a you know the qualified
lawyer right had his own law firm for um you know uh the rights the civil rights era right like during
the civil rights era that's what he started that for like i learned uh you know like i literally
had like black panther style education in my mom's household yeah right and in my dad's household it
was a pretty much like hey we in the uk now let kind of like get along you know like and my Mum household was pretty much like we still have to kind of fight for our rights in this country as well Right And we have a similar plight everywhere right
As black and brown people. Right.
So the freedom aspect of things that very, very easily hit me, right.
Like, you know, as I said, during my younger days in my teens,
now I was a naughty boy. Right.
So like I've always been kind of anti-established,
I've known the difference between being anti-establishment
for the sake of being anti-establishment.
I suppose in your teens and your early 20s, you do that.
You're just anti-establishment for the sake of being anti-establishment.
But I suppose I've always had the upbringing of learning
why you should be somewhat anti-establishment
or why you should be establishment-wary, yeah?
Not necessarily anti-establishment.
So discovering Bitcoin and then kind of realizing what it was, I mean, obviously I palmed it off as most of us do the first couple of times.
But as I came down to the realization, I read the white paper, read the white paper and then really understand what this is.
Then it's like, wow, we do have something, a tool that we can use to actually fight back against all of this control.
yeah right and um this mindset that we've all been fed from you know stepping on each other's
heads all the time right from from birth um so yeah and that's that that instantly made me a
bitcoiner like just instantly at that time even though i didn't understand everything about it
still it was that the freedom aspect mostly that resonated with me i was like we can really say
fuck the system with this shit right like so yeah i think my computing my knowledge of computing
enabled me to get over the hill of of is it something real that can it actually work right
um whereas most people don't get over that hill for a very long time because they don't
technically understand what it is right um you know but my understanding technically of it was
very i wouldn't say like a developer level right or anything at the time but you know i understood
enough to know that this is really really real and i understood i understand pgp signatures right
So downloaded a copy of the QT wallet, downloaded a copy of the chain,
verified PGP keys, bro, it works the way it's supposed to work.
It's as simple as that.
So, yeah, I was happy with that from that time.
Yeah, that's what they say, don't they?
You know, people come for the number go up and then they stay for the kind of principle
and, like you say, that freedom aspect of it and the fact that it can unleash the shackles
and it can fix many things.
But yeah, it's the greed aspect.
It's a number go up technology that kind of, you know,
makes people like aware of it, hyper aware of it.
But then once they're in it for a little while and they actually go,
you know what, there's potential for this,
for doing like really profound things.
That's what I love.
Anyway, so we've learned a little bit about the man.
How about we check out some of his tunes?
So the next song we've got lined up is The Scope of Hope.
This is from the Just Jewels album
And this is from the man himself
G-O-L-D
Ah
Gold
Ace
Another one
Enyark
You know I always gotta put the truth in the bars right
Just listen you'll understand
Don't give up hope
Thought word actualize
Come alive and metamorphosize right in front of your eyes
That prize, a lucky lotto
Is the recipe nice or is it possibly all lies?
Poisoning the growth of what will be molded to become all life
Sparked from an idea, wasn't really one being's ideal
Can't be sleeping, gotta be peeping
With your third eye still
Dreaming, scheming on yourself should be your worst nightmare
Sleeping on yourself, you ain't awake
Walking dead, food for somebody hawking
End up stuck between the lines, drawn and chalking by the feds
Started off small now everything is a test
To stress your best
Till you step into some shit and slip into a vipers nest
Or a crab barrel
Better be a straight shooter
Ready to strike the Hydra
Like an arrow or lightning bolt
Possibly a little shot with something from the folks
In their minds is where they really need to vote
Fuck a sound bite and quote
If you're reading these notes
A cast from a pod in the future
At the edge of where the next dimension envelopes
What's the scope?
You've given up all hope, you've given up all time on some treepope
Those who concocted the whole scheme, see us as a joke
Our people went from the end of to walking on the very tight rope
You've given up all hope, you've given up all time on some treepope
Those who concocted the whole scheme, see us as a joke
People went from the end of to walking on the very tight rope
And still can't see that every point is choked
No airtime, I don't play, life is not fair time
In 24, people still want me on their time
Wasted, I manifest dreams, I don't chase them
The manuscript man made over generations
Most of these man just copy pasted
Cookie cut and re-rolled
We rolled up and set the pace
Eh, behold how we mold
They like raw, he's top of the card
Yeah, even with the hallmark
He still could've be gold
In the lab, flaming the pad, the pen
Bun, son, bars, I got a ton
Yours are just tungsten
Took a long time to flip the method of hustling
So now it's not how, it's just when
It's not how, it's just when
Listen
You've given up all hope
You've given up all time on some tree poke
Those who concocted a whole scheme
See us as a joke
Our people went from the end of
To walking on a very tight rope
You've given up all hope
You've given up all time on some tree poke
Those who concocted a whole scheme
See us as a joke
The people went from the end of
To walking on a very tight rope
So what's the scope?
This ain't a joke.
You ain't never going to get out by fighting the power.
The only way you're going to do it is by taking the power.
And it's our hour.
Listen.
And the thing is that central authorities and money traditionally are used as levers of power.
Either to inflate a currency and cause it to lose value, which is essentially a form of confiscation or hidden taxation.
when your savings account depletes in its purchasing power
because the central government is printing money to finance its own activities.
So, you know, the idea of a decentralized currency is important
because it removes those levers of power that people can exploit to corrupt a currency.
that was the scope of hope from the just jewels album from g-o-l-d so then g-o-l-d is your is that
is that your performing name is that you know what people in your your area your local community know
you as yeah yeah like um it's had evolution over time right uh a bit of a funny story is when i was
a kid and i was writing and then you know i was rapping and stuff i used to uh my aunt bought me
a sovereign ring once you know as your aunts do right one of those big old gold rings yeah
so so as as your your your uncle does in the uk and in ireland right especially in ireland right
Like, you know, they buy you a bit of gold, right?
Like, you know, as you're growing up.
And my auntie bought me a sovereign ring.
And they were all the rage at that time, weren't they, in the 90s, right?
So she bought me this sovereign ring, and then I started to collect them.
So people, they just started calling me, like, Goldfinger.
Like, it was funny, right?
So I ran with that name for a little while.
I must have been about 10 or 11 at this point, right?
So I ran with that name for a little while.
But everyone just used to call me Gold.
didn't it for sure so they were just like yeah gold man gold gold right like and uh you know i
kind of kept it into probably my early teens and then when i was uh you know doing my my kind of
like uh as i said my my bad teen uh uh things it kind of changed right so people weren't calling me
gold anymore for for a minute um and then so it was like the people that who knew that i did music
would call me gold but everybody else would call me something else right like i had a different
nickname i'm not gonna get into that but yeah so um so anyway so uh years later i decided that i
would go back to using that name because i didn't really like the other the street name kind of one
right and it was funny enough i have a cousin who has a cousin on his side that had the same
street name as me and because we lived in the same vicinity people would get people mixed up like do
you know this guy right like but like um so you know it almost ended ended up in us not getting
into problems with each other because i was actually rolling with the crew that he didn't
his crew didn't really get on with and we didn't really get on with them right but then we ended up
kind of meeting each other through mutual cousin and uh it was like yeah so then we both ended up
changing our names later for, for music, right?
Because it was like, we can't,
because everyone's going to think it's that one,
it's the other guy or whatever, right?
So it's funny how that came all about.
So, so at the time I just broke it down.
I took the gold and just broke it into an acronym instead.
So the acronym stands for getting over, living dangerously.
Cause I felt like I was at the other side of that kind of street,
you know, kind of being, this was, it went into my twenties, right?
Like I'd had my daughter by this time, my first daughter and everything.
And I was like, yeah, I'm still in touch with that life,
but I'm trying to move away from it, you know?
So it made me break it down into an acronym.
And that was it from there, really and truthfully.
That's how that kind of came about, yeah, in terms of identity.
Yeah, you've just brought up a horrible moment, Sovereign Rings,
because I remember there was this guy at school called James Farden,
and he was an athletic guy.
I think he was a javelin thrower.
He was an athlete.
Basically, he was a really tall,
one of these guys that developed really early at school,
really tall, really strong.
And he could punch really hard.
Because you know at school,
we used to punch each other on the arms, didn't we?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Pinch punch.
Yeah, all of that.
Basically, he was like one of two people
that wore a sovereign ring.
So if the punch didn't hurt enough already,
do you know what I mean?
He'd go around and go, bang!
He had the sovereign ring on there as well.
Oh, my God, it would bend your arm for weeks.
Do you know what I mean?
Anyway, apologies to Andy Prince.
We didn't actually go back and talk about his track.
We played Blow Out the Candles earlier.
So I just want to circle back and go back to Andy Prince.
Tell me a little bit about Andy Prince, how you met the dude.
I obviously met him at Bricks London as well.
He was one of the performers last year.
He's a top fella.
and he's got penchant for wearing bright orange Bitcoin hoodies
because I think every time I've met him, he's wore his Bitcoin hoodie.
Yeah, he's representing through the culture.
Again, every facet of the culture, you've got to represent somehow.
But yeah, man, Andy, I actually crossed paths with Andy previously.
I met him through Eclipse officially.
right however i crossed paths with him previously because one of my cousins that i work with
musically jimmy screech um he had done some work with him in the past and uh you know the label
that jimmy was signed to uh matt music north northwest london uh record label uh basically
jimmy screech is the protege of roots maneuver yeah right so um so it's all that kind of northwest
London crowd and and you know Andy um Andy grew up around that crowd so we'd cross paths through
you know work of his work with Jimmy but we'd never um because he's an instrumentalist as well
he plays like uh I think it's uh the trumpet um and some other instruments as well so um so he was
doing like a lot of band stuff at that time when we'd crossed paths originally so yeah that was it
and we met we met again through clips and you know um I was finally able to understand that this was
the guy that was also the same guy and uh you know got to talking and stuff and um yeah like he's just
he's just been very passionate i mean he he discovered bitcoin and through ethereum in 2017
but he just never really gotten back into it he started getting and getting into the nft stuff
when it started popping off but he never launched anything and he was just like you know he just
couldn't get his head around everything so once i explained to him like hey bitcoin bruv you know
not crypto went and had he studied his own research and he came back and he was just like
yeah i'm in bro like what do you want me to do you know what we've got to do and and up to now
he's very instrumental in that a lot of the stuff that we do 21 fully music as well right he throws
a lot of ideas into the table and helps to to admin some stuff in the background so um so yeah
that's handy but that blow out the candles i know to him is represents his upbringing and him as a
person yeah right so i know that why he chose the track person yeah i know um longy speaks of him highly as well i guess it must be the trumpet thing as well and i think they they crossed paths you know quite a few years ago as well So I know Lange speaks highly of him So yeah no thanks for that explanation
So tell us a bit about your tune that we just played,
The Scope of Hope.
So Scope of Hope, obviously, in all of my time being around music,
I was the guy that never put stuff out, right?
like so i've got like tons of stuff but um it got to a point where i wasn't really rapping as much
i wanted to do production and i wanted to do stuff in the background because i realized that the
rapper is you know again learning in that era of um the 90s uh learning the sound engineering
i learned that the rapper kind of doesn't see the bigger picture all the time the rapper kind of
comes in they're like they get exploited in other words right like many musicians do from all
different genres um you know and it happens a lot in the pop industry with singers right you know
they have a lot of songwriters come in write all the songs they don't own any of the song lyrics
they don't own anything right so learning about music business while i was at pma right so you
know copyright um you know trademarking uh patent in like prs mcps like ppl all of that stuff i
learned when i was a teenager right in the 90s so like i knew about all that stuff for a very long
time then my my elder sister right my she's like the eldest of us on my mom's side um she was like
she's considered like one of the earliest female rappers right she had like um she did a lot of
work you know she had a top 40 song did a lot of work um during in in the 80s and the 90s with lots
of musicians so i grew up around all of the rappers you know with uh um the um uh the concert in in
manchester i bought blade up there right like blade is like the guy when it comes to independent
uk music and i think independent music globally because he was the first guy to pre-sell his music
independently right like ever right so um so but all of these people i grew up around right because
of my sisters um and my cousin jimmy because of that they're a bit older than me so their
affiliation and their work here within the space and then me learning all of what i learned at a
young age just put me around all of the people that i needed to be around right um so with so
it brings me back to like again like this scope of hope idea right when i put out this this this
this album
Josh Jules
yeah
it's me kind of saying
okay here's a few gems
right
here's a few gems
it's not
this is not the
this is not like
the album album yet
this is not even the debut
because that is a collaborative album
that I did with a label
called Enyark Music
right
who we work with
quite frequently
and that's run by a guy
called DJ Trickstar
who used to run
an agency called
Park Street PR
so he's very well known
in the UK hip hop industry
you know like
and they've got a crew
of guys putting out stuff,
Eclipse was working with them
and he was like,
bro,
like we still haven't done
nothing together,
you know,
like let's do a project.
So this Josh Jules project
for me,
putting this out
is like,
I'm rapping again,
yeah,
I'm putting out stuff now,
yeah,
but it's just gems
I'm putting in this.
I'm not,
I'm not like,
this isn't everything yet.
This isn't like
what I'm putting out there as,
I think some people
view music to a degree
as,
oh,
I'm putting this out there
it's my big bang project or whatever, right?
And I wouldn't say that it's that,
but what I'd say is it's a body of work in which I decided to start putting the
message in, as we said, right, in there.
But it's for more underground hip hop perspective.
Whereas my kind of, um, my kind of personal music flavor, I can flip,
I can be on hip hop, the most underground hip hop beat,
and you can throw in a dance hall and I'll jump on that.
You can throw in some reggae, I'll jump on that.
You throw in some grime, I'll jump on that.
you're throwing some dmb i can do this on anything like it doesn't matter like and when we were
growing up that was like a big thing for us you know like we'll come to your rave mate like and
you know you got your mcs there or whatever bro throw on whatever beat without a beat we can still
do it bro it don't matter like we're not gonna run out of lyrics for now right so um so yeah so
with the just jewels project it's about throwing those gems in so with scope of hope specifically
like the song for me is about kind of like saying to people like there is the scope of hope is there
right you have there is a scope for all this hope that people have got because people i think
when they're voting and trying to liaise with politicians or whatever it's just pure hoping
bro pure trust me bro that you're relying on right like so in that track i wanted to kind of describe
Like that, look, you know, they've given you that scope.
Yeah, they've given you that scope.
And that's what you believe that the scope is, right?
It's all just printed money and that's all about that, right?
Like, but that's not actually what it is.
If you actually flipped it over and saw what was happening on the inside,
you'd realize you've got a much wider scope here, yeah?
And, you know, Bitcoin obviously is the underlying tool
that we can use to put that forward, you know?
So, yeah, so that's what that track is generally about and the project itself, yeah.
So is there like a Bitcoin-inspired philosophy behind it then, beyond that track?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, the first two lines, obviously, in the hook is like,
you've given up all hope, you've given up all time on some tree pulp, yeah, right?
So, you know, you're giving up all your time for this, yeah, right?
And that is a constructed system, like it's been constructed like that.
and that's what the song is really about, right?
And then throughout the song,
it's kind of like a flip and forth back
between kind of like a bit of wordplay
and throwing in those concepts,
just like sprinkling those concepts
throughout the track itself.
So yeah.
Cool, cool.
Right, okay.
And you'll find I'm pretty big on that as well.
Like referencing stuff in tracks
is something that I just do.
Yeah.
Yeah, so it's like I've got a way of...
And probably if you listen to everything that I've put out or that I've featured on, even since doing this stuff under the 2140 art kind of umbrella, you'll find that you'll always find at least one line that is about Bitcoin in every single song.
The song could be about love, right?
And I'd find the line.
I'd find a way to throw Bitcoin in there.
So, yeah.
Yeah, got to get in the subconscious somehow, mate, haven't we?
Do you know what I mean?
Right, let's go on to that next track then, mate.
The next track is from an artist called Sights,
and this tune is called Built for This,
and it's featuring Rush Jucks and Jabba the Cut.
Manchester. I got skills like an inspector. Reveal the truth. Many flavors to consume like a
dispenser. Stick ass neck and neck like it's parallel. Got my mind going around these houses
like a carousel. The final destination. My destinies are waiting. Feels like I'm playing
the long game, man. I've been patient. I'm adding up these split seconds invested. Hit me with some
dope beats or I ain't even interested. Headshot. Midsection. It's time to clean your clock.
Windexing, take a hit like an injection
Out here finessing, I put my stamp on it, leave an impression
Too many want a front like they be on the illest shit
Chooks and sights, bars and knives, we be on that killer shit
Too many want a front like they be on the illest shit
Chooks and sights, bars and knives, we be on that killer shit
That shit is ill.
I spit dope and you been the finna.
Yo, you ain't built for this.
Trust me, I done killed for this.
Drain seven seas, put the planet on chill for this.
I get you moving like a motivator.
I take the land, resources, and the women like an overtaker.
If you were smart, you would stand click.
My money make money like I had shears in the tank.
You might sound deranged, we'll surround your range.
I made a pound of change off a sound exchange.
I've been an ASCAP member since a young composer
Before the world tours and the industry exposure
A preteen with a killer pen
Busting rhymes and murdering men that I was iller than
If you was hot, I was the earth's core
There's never been a catalog this potent that was worth more
I'll shatter any record into pieces
Got fans spending their checks on my releases
That shit is ill
It's a dummy move to fuck with me, you know that ain't smart
Too many want to front like they be on the illest shit
Chooks and sights, bars and knives, we be on that killer shit
That shit is ill
Been built for this, since day one
Too many want to front like they be on the illest shit
Chooks and sights, bars and knives, we be on that killer shit
That shit is ill
I spit dope when you've been a habit
I stay sharp and I'm on point
Come on!
Right, that was built for this
from the artist known as Sights
and that's from the album The Ninth Hour.
So tell us a little bit about that track, mate.
I know Acme Cool Beats obviously
appears in that album as well.
Yeah, so that song there was chosen by Acme, actually.
And I think we went back and forth
on what he was going to choose.
Acme is the creative director at 2140 Music.
He's also a brilliant fucking artist and graffiti artist and tattoo artist.
And yeah, but he's a producer, right?
So he produced the entirety of that album with Sites.
And we decided to choose that because Sites is recently just literally jumped onto the V4V platforms and started doing his thing.
with that track in particular
you know sites
in the track it's just basically sites
speaking about
look you know I've been doing this
rap thing I've been doing this hip hop thing
like I'm built to do this
right do you understand kind of thing
and what makes the track
even more interesting is like the
collaboration with Rusty Jokes
and Jabba the Cut because
those guys are like underground legends
like UK like not even
UK sorry but hip-hop underground legends those two guys right there um so you know it was very
fitting that he was releasing that track at the same time that he started you know because he
he joined Wavelake actually last year right um but he just hadn't had the time to really sit down
with us because you know he's doing other things in life as well hadn't had time to sit down with
us and kind of understand everything and and start utilizing it so uh he wanted he went out of his way
to actually call me to say hey bro like i'm really now interested i've been reading up on a lot of
stuff and i'm i really want to get down with what you guys are doing um and i've got this track that
i've done with rusty jokes and um it's coming out soon and i want to release it kind of like to these
platforms exclusively for the first two weeks so it was like all right cool you know let's go
um so that's where the idea well again not so much the idea around the track but the idea of
it being there and us presenting it within this show is uh you know acme made the beat yeah uh we
could have picked a number of projects and a number of uh different songs um but he produced
this album this whole entire album and um yeah you know sites is is a new addition to the value
verse right so so yeah that's the reason for picking that one so we need to give him a bit
of a v4v welcome then don't we so if you want to rewind this podcast go back to that track and make
sure that you boost while that track is playing then the artist will get 90 of those earnings so
let's incentivize these people that you know this isn't a ghost town over here there is people
listening and there is people willing to you know send a little bit of monetary value back
to the artists themselves this is a new artist um you know radio shows music shows music podcasts
They should all be kind of like playing this like different genres of music just so we can kind of like welcome everyone to this space just to really prove to everyone that this space is for everybody.
Do you know what I mean?
As you know, I've been trying very hard to get Right Said Fred onto the scene.
Is there an equivalent person in your genre that you would love?
I mean, obviously having Blade speak at the BitFest conference,
obviously I wasn't actually – it's so funny how this works, isn't it?
Because when he come up on stage, I wasn't really aware of who he was.
It was only when I followed him on Instagram that he put a post up
basically playing one of his tracks with Mark B.
Now I think Mark B.
I remember.
I commented straight away.
I'm like, shit, I do know who you are.
Jesus.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah yeah But yeah having someone like Blade you know embracing this context and maybe sharing the message is there somebody else that we can get from your I think the thing is right like we all trying to do it right
Like, you know, like lots of us, the people are building the platforms, you know, me and you, we're all trying to get that like that kind of almost big name, so to speak, artist who's going to, you know, represent with us, right?
um you know and connect with them and show them the the benefits right so i i wouldn't say that
there's anyone in particular what i would say though is that between us obviously it doesn't
even not even genre specific it doesn't matter to me right like um if it's genre specific and
that person comes in but um i would say that there's a few people around us who we're kind of
like speaking to in the background yeah so blade obviously is one of them blade will be eventually
having he says he wants to do it but he's got a lot going on because he's building out a new
platform for all of his videos and the interviews and all of the stuff that he's been doing with his
youtube channel he's putting out all in his own website so once that first build is done and he's
got let's say the fiat build done right then there is going to be like an ostracized version of it
built right and this is what me and him have been talking about in the background blade is very
interested also in doing stuff with his legacy catalog because he owns all of his legacy catalog
right so he's um he's very big on trying to do something there with his legacy catalog
and making it available to the v4v space um we've talked about obviously doing future projects
as well together you know um and even physical stuff as well which is only uh available for
Bitcoin um you know so so there's a breadth of things with Blade um but like I just said I mean
with sites as well sites and that conversation with Rusty and and that that that's conversation
that's I know sites has kind of put into the air and now that it's on Wave Lake it's kind of like
a real thing so that's kind of going on back in the background um and there's there's yeah there's
so many people around us like especially when it comes to like the UK music scene if we're talking
about like UK hip-hop like I mean it's pick pick pick a pick a number pick a person pick a name
sorry right do you understand as I said all of us have connected in some way Dizzy Rascal if you're
listening right Dizzy Rascal if you're listening like I know Coach Carbon is has tried to bridge
me with Wiley and Wiley has kind of liked a few tweets here and there that me and Coach Carbon
have been putting out right like so wiley clearly can see something um you know i spoke to a guy that
was i know skepta and those guys were supposed to be doing like some kind of nft project at one
point and i spoke to a guy that was working with them and i kind of orange peeled him a little bit
into you know like uh wave lake and stuff whether whether or not he carried that forward i don't
know but i mean uh yeah i mean no one's there's not apart from the like younger generation ones
because I don't necessarily know all of the guys
in the younger generation or whatever.
But when it comes to the generation before me
and my generation, like the OGs guys,
I can practically get in touch with anybody
in this kind of age range
through some means or another.
But I think the way that I'm approaching it
is I'm not so bothered about that at the moment.
I'm more bothered about that we have something
for them to see when they get here.
Not that we're saying to them,
hey look sign up for a wallet over here get some bitcoin from centralized exchange over here
do this over that i want it to just be very seamless experience so at the moment the people
who i would say that i'm more aiming for people that i know i have immediate direct contact with
right um you know and again i don't want to say too many names too many names here but
i will say obviously i mentioned roots maneuver very early on in the conversation
and there is a multitude of connections there
but I haven't seen him, I haven't spoken to him for a long time
and I'm not really sure what's going on with him
so I can't really speak for him.
But I know that that's definitely a conversation that I've tried to have already
and I've tried to reach out and get that conversation going.
Yeah, because there is a little bit of an argument, isn't there,
about, oh, you know, leave the legacy guys over there
and this is a movement for new music
and new artists to kind of discover themselves.
Where do you sit in that?
I mean, for me personally, I just think it's for everyone,
but I just see there have been so many restrictions
surrounding like the legacy platforms
or the record companies and the deals
that they're all tied up to.
It would just be impossible.
So, you know, maybe there is a line in the sand
where we draw and we just say,
look, this is the place for new music and new artists
and this is a breeding ground, you know, for people with something to say
and people with, you know, ambition to change the world
or to change what they see in the world, you know?
Exactly, exactly.
And that's what I would say.
When you say, where do I fit in?
I'm like you, it's for everyone.
It's for everyone in the end of the day, right?
There's no age limit.
there's no you know cultural limit or race limit or anything like that right like anyone can
could come here and start using this stuff and yeah and as i said i think it's going to appeal
most to those people who are musicians that are actually doing whatever they say on them in their
music right like and they are they do hold those principles i mean like guys like the kneecap guys
right i'd love to get in touch with those guys right like on those guys using this stuff and
bob villain right like they should be using this shit right like low-key as well like low-key is
another person who i've really really if you say from my genre like low-key is like probably the
best person because he has experienced a lot of de-platforming over his stance on you know um
you know israel and gaza and everything else over the years right um and the fact that he's very
outspoken politically someone like akala as well right you know that that would be a very cool guy
because these people are actually doing on the ground what they are saying in their lyrics right
so um so yeah those would be really cool additions to the v4v space i reckon right and then and the
new music economy yeah yeah 100 i mean yeah you'd you'd think someone that is so anti-establishment
like you say, Bob Villan, for example,
who mainstream headlines after his performance in Glastonbury last year.
There was such a high level of hypocrisy around it
because you had a lot of commentators saying,
he shouldn't be allowed to say this.
And it doesn't matter.
The whole kind of freedom of expression and freedom of speech aspect of it
is defending his right to say whatever he wants to say.
me defending his right to say whatever he wants to say doesn't um endorse his message doesn't mean
that i agree with what he's saying but he should be if he feels a certain way he should be able to
do it but then there's things like that that are just like yeah okay now bob's got this this vein
of um yeah infamy if you like then he should put his money where his mouth is and go yeah i'm taking
off Spotify and I'm coming because obviously they're all the platforms which are you know
funding a lot of this nonsense which is going on in in the Middle East as you know I did my bit
about you know Spotify essentially being a vehicle for war companies how does that make you feel
your 22 pounds a month is going to an organization whose CEO is openly and actively investing in you
know war companies do you know what i mean it just seems hypocritical i know massive attack
were one band who took their music off of the platform because of that and i i find it quite
hard to take any of these real art these artists seriously who still sit on that platform and
basically say oh yeah you know gaza israel and all of that but then they're actually feeding the
machine that's part of it as well you know i don't understand why there's this disconnect
the guy's got a level of fame now well surely now he's got that platform to go you know what
i've been wrong and now i'm taking my stuff off spotify and i'm going over him for everyone that
loves my music follow me i think i think i think yeah yeah i think for most artists it kind of
proposes like a conundrum for them right because again it's like finding the fans right finding
And as you said, at that certain status, you should be able to kind of say, hey, I'm removing myself from it all.
Right. You know, but I think that that is primarily I think that that is.
that comes from those artists not really understanding economics at the high level
that bitcoin or somebody who learns about bitcoin begins to understand how economics works right
like um so for instance you know like i mean as as you said like these companies you know are
funding certain things and whatever but when you speak to the the normal artists they're going to
kind of say like well how else do i get my music out there and then you're going to say all right
well you know maybe you build your own platform and then they're going to go well i still got to
get people to come to my platform and discoveries happening on all of these these platforms and then
you know like you know um then you've got to get over the hill of uh kind of like oh well maybe uh
i'm not calling out paypal or saying that they're involved or anything like that i'm just saying
that then you've got to get over the hump of uh let's say paypal are involved and now they've got
now for their ideological reason and now no longer use PayPal,
like then what do they do?
How do they have payments?
Right.
Like,
you know,
we talk about BlackRock,
like in the banks,
right.
You know,
like you're going to have the bank,
the bank's going to be involved,
bro.
Like,
you know,
you're not going to choose who handles the payment process.
You've got a very limited scope of who handles the payment process.
Can you?
So you're caught up in any way of the ladder.
Yeah.
No,
I understand that.
obviously but it'll be it'll be amazing if like somebody did actually take that principle all the
way you know to the end of the spectrum and go yeah you know i'm gonna try and limit as much
exposure to that i ain't got i ain't got nothing on spotify like that like i mean on apple i've
still got stuff on apple and other platforms like you know because i say to musicians like when i
try to talk to musicians i say to them i'm not telling you come off of all of those platforms
and start using this i'm saying to you add this to your stack yeah right because you i still
understand that you need to be as many places as possible for people to be able to discover you as
a musician right um but me personally i've done spotify in particular i have removed all of the
releases that i have put on spotify so anything that has me on it on spotify is a collaborative
release so you can find just jewels on spotify because i didn't upload it right it's not it's
a collaborative release it was uploaded uh through another through the enyark account so you can opt
out you can say i don't want to upload to spotify i'll upload to amazon music or youtube music you
can choose what platform so yeah you can make a statement you can you could make a statement like
that couldn't you and it could get you yeah you could if you if you're like i said going back to
where we started if you was like a 50 cent or an m&m that you could easily make that statement i
believe for that because you if you especially if you own all your catalog and there's no
it's not a record label account that's uploading
right if you're owning all your catalog
and like someone if it is like in
blade's position yeah
they never need to use any of those
platforms if they wanted to they could remove everything
and just go yeah we're just going to do it
all v4v I'm just going to slap it on a node
yeah like on a hard drive just
connect it to a node and just run it all from my
node right like and
bam that's it like you've exited
yeah right it's completely exited
right you know I'll set up a blossom server
for a
for you know like any
any kind of errors if anything goes down
then you know we've got a secondary mirror over
with a Blossom server
then you know you're doing your own thing
isn't it like your infrastructure you own
the entire infrastructure at that point
right like and that's what
I think that is you know
this speed that we were just talking about that's what I think
the musicians are saying
fuck the infrastructure
and oh we shouldn't do this
and they'll do that with this platform because
you know this and that platform we don't own the infrastructure or we don't own any slice of the
pie or whatever right like so cool so here's the tools to own your own infrastructure yeah what are
you gonna do with it yeah are you gonna go down that route yeah you know like that's it me and
you were speaking about like continuing like the the the new music economy show stuff right like
and i haven't done it for months why haven't i done it for months because i'm tired of using
other platforms so what i'll do is i'll take my time and i'll build in a way that is able to get
me to do it you know in a more sovereign manner right like if it means that at the beginning i'm
using let's say fountain server and then eventually i would build into serving it all myself the whole
thing is like is building into that sovereignty right like and as you understand it you you are
able to grab more of that sovereignty for yourself now i think artists don't even have the slightest
it's a clue that that kind of shit exists.
Yeah.
Right.
So you won't see them do stuff like what we just said,
removing all of their stuff in this completely legacy industry.
They won't do it because it's a transitional process.
It's going to take time.
It's like small government.
We can't get rid of the whole government,
but just get rid of 1%.
1% this year and then 1% next year.
Do you know what I mean?
I suppose that is probably the correct way to do it.
So shall we move on to our fifth and final track from yourself today?
This is a tune that we all heard at Bitfest last year.
Resonates very, very loudly with myself.
This is Buffalo Gals and this is by Acme.
We came to change the game
Represent the pain
Andy
Prince
We came to change the game
Some social studies
Represent the pain
We came to change the game
We represent the pain
Came in the station with no ticket
No opposition sound, I'm hearing crickets
I plop a breader's head just like I'm batting for a wicket or a home run
Get your known funds or withdrawn out or stolen
In my ends where it often goes wrong
A known scum, never visually but DNA
Will grasp my arse up quick, they taking me away
So I don't participate unless the pay is per seat
Cause I'm all about them London drugs like Jay Worthy
Breaders fixated on the curvy, I just get the cake
The time to leave it in the oven just to let it bake
I medicate so regularly that I'm always easy
And make noises when I move like I'm young Jeezy
The reason that I can hustle is that I often have to
My older saw me shot and taught me, said he caught a natural
I catch a snake in me, I leave you to the youngest though
Cause they'll do anything for food, they're stuck on hunger mode
You ain't pencil but I'm clean with my verb skills
Real urban city person with a cursed chill
You serpents already lurking so I can't perch still
Burst your purse if we dirt cursive that much shrill
Pussyholes that chuck words like birds that think they words real
You better splurge till you're in a hearse
Ill thoughts of a maniac, this ain't some mangy rap
This some take me back, play it back, not some lately samey samey crap
I'm interchanging, interchanging what aims to grab
So I'm changing maps, taking trains to estranged places
So I'm trained for that, gonna claim the bag
Already named the tag, Andy Prince on the waves to brag
So many crazy slags
Wanna hook, hook, hook
On my brazy sack
Baby's bad lady
Back it up
Make me snack
On your filet me snatch
Dick and dash
I'm sick and brash
The slick is at this rhythm slash
Poetic villain clash
We came to change the game
Represent, represent, represent the pain
We came to change the game
We represent the pain
That's real talk
Right, that was Buffalo Gals by Acme.
So tell us a little bit about that tune, please, Nat.
Okay, so that's off of, I think it may be off of the AA LP,
which was like Acme Eclipse.
I think it's off of that LP.
But yeah, those guys will obviously correct me if I'm wrong with that one.
but yeah that was a track that
Acme had
made the beat you know Eclipse
and Andy Prince jumped on the beat
and it's just essentially
just like them rapping you know
like they're different you know like they're different
they're bringing something different to the
table
and it uses like a
scratch sample obviously
that you hear in there like we came to change
the game right so it's
kind of become our mascot tune for like
2140 music which we use on a lot of posting and stuff like that um and it obviously sits and
resonates very well just the start of it straight away is like you know as you said when you perform
it like in front of a crowd and you're the crowd already understands where we're coming from with
what we're doing you know it represents very very well you know because that's exactly what we came
to fucking do like we came to change the game we we haven't come to fucking do what like the last
fucking 10 shows that you went to, right, or whatever,
we come to show you something completely different, right?
So, yeah, it just resonates really, really well with all of us.
So we've just kept it as, like, the mascot,
the real mascot tree of the camp.
100%.
Now I want to talk about projects that are happening this year, Nat.
So we're in April now.
Tell us a bit about some of the things you've got planned
for the rest of 2026, mate.
So we've got, last year we did an event called the Bitcoin Graffiti Jam, which we hired out at a legal graffiti space in London and shouts out to SW9 because they are the people who helped us to get that space ultimately.
we found that speaking to a lot of the other legal graffiti spaces once we told them what
the event was kind of in celebration of which was you know we added the bitcoin onto the graffiti
jam they were like no or they wanted to charge us a really stupid exorbitant amount of money
and didn't see it as a community-led organization um you know all of a sudden it was bitcoin so we're
either ideologically not aligned with it um and i'm not going to name the space that said that but
just know that the biggest space in London,
the biggest legal graffiti space in London,
you can go and look it up.
They declined us because they said it doesn't align
in their email.
And they haven't responded to any other emails
that I've sent them to find out
what they actually meant by that.
So I think I'm taking that as you saw Bitcoin
and you said no.
So anyway, we put on this event,
Bitcoin Graffiti Jam, last year.
And we'll be doing it again in 2026
in Brixton, Stockwell, to be exact.
Legal graffiti space.
Acme did a massive, gigantic,
it was like a 12-foot bloody Bitcoin mural.
You know, we had kids down there.
So it's lots of fun down there.
It's like really kids-friendly environment.
We're going to have a few vendors down there this year.
There's musical performances as well happening down there.
But yeah, if you're an artist,
you're into art, you're into graffiti art,
you want to come down and just bring the kids out for the day,
just to run around and do a bit of art
because we've got paper colouring in
and all of these kind of stuff and activities, workshops
for kids. So yeah, if you want
to do that, then get involved.
Do we have a date on that?
We're aiming
for the 21st of June.
We were supposed to do the 21st of June last year,
but that date ended up getting kicked all the way back to September
so we had a bit of rain on the day and everything.
But
it's funny that we chose the 21st of June
randomly for the 21 appeal
obviously like last year and then i found out that the 21st of june is the first day of summer
in the united kingdom right so it's like yeah if you want something to do for the first day of summer
this year will be on a sunday um as well so something nice and like i said relax you can
bring the kids down just have a good time listen to some music meet some other bitcoiners meet some
musicians meet some artists get involved the longest day of the year as well june 21st yeah
So yeah, that's good.
That's good.
So, and it is an all-day event as well.
It runs from, we open at about 9.30 in the morning, right?
So it's running all day up until 7 o'clock in the evening.
Wicked.
Yeah, so there's that.
We have obviously Poland, Bitcoin Film Festival.
You know, we did something there last year as well.
That was explosive.
And it will be good to bring that back as well to Poland.
It was a really good time we all had in Poland.
You know, so definitely going to go back there.
And that's working with the other 2140 crew as well,
with Mad Monkey and Anon, you know, for that one as well.
And I know, you know, you're involved with that.
We're looking at getting Longy out there as well.
So that's going to be really, really interesting this year.
That's June the 4th, right?
Yeah.
And then aside from that, I wouldn't say,
aside from like us reconfiguring how we're doing events.
So last year from 2024 and November 2024,
we were doing events every two weeks up until february of 2025 and then we started doing the
events monthly so those are the events i spoke about previously in the conversation where we have
a bit of education and also meet up style event and also we have the live music performances all
happening in one site right so um so there's there's that we haven't necessarily planned all
of those out this year right because we said in the first quarter that we'd launch do the first
event of the year do the second event of the year and then we'd concentrate more on curating and
seeing how we can get the artists to more things um and then on a local level there's a few things
that i'm looking at doing there's a place called the tram shed in woolwich yeah which is a local
community arts theater uh center so we're looking to do a few kind of smaller meetups down there
you know where we just have a meet up just to talk about new music economy and you know bring
some new artists and musicians and stuff into the space like that so those ones are going to be a lot
more intimate no live music or anything like that just you know just talking and just getting
together really so yeah a few different things and then yeah I mean there there so many different things because I don know where it is around here as I know know that me and you and Monkey you know because there an alliance going on here just to let everybody know right
Like, we're not all working siloed, right?
Aaron's doing some stuff.
We're doing some stuff.
2140 are doing some stuff.
And then, you know,
Roger is like a powerhouse machine on his own, right?
So I know Roger's involved in the conversation as well.
Shout out Roger 9000.
Yeah, shout out to Roger 9000.
definitely he he is the og of attending every single bitcoin uh conference and pushing the
world yeah that is it so so yeah um and i shout out to ainsley as well because she's another person
doing that you know on the us side and it was great to meet her as well bit fest you know like
um but yeah so there's that stuff and and of course bit fest yeah we got to talk about
BitFest for a minute, right?
I mean, I take my hat off to you, Nind and Nathan Day,
for putting together a fantastic conference.
If you've not seen any of the footage from BitFest,
take what you know about Bitcoin conferences
and throw that straight out the window.
This was nothing like it.
We had speakers and we had all the art, we had all the culture,
but it was such an exciting conference to be involved in because it was the you had the social
aspect you know we didn't have 24 guests all talking about the macro economics of bitcoin
and the 21 million and all of that we didn't have that we had actual real life people getting on
stage talking about how they're utilizing bitcoins and making their local community better
and it was such a roaring success.
Like I say, I take my hat off to you and the team
for putting all that together and all the volunteers that got involved.
BitFest really was an amazing, amazing, amazing event.
And yes, I think we're happening in Manchester again this year, aren't we?
And we're doing it in November again.
So if any of you listening from Europe, even the US,
you've got a festival to come and visit in Europe,
make sure BitFest is a thing because like I say,
culturally there's nothing like it anywhere in the world is in my opinion i know i got tons of
positive feedback from the costellos from shadrach from a lot of the guys uh from avi bure himself
you know who came and witnessed bitfest and for a first event it was phenomenal so yeah well done
can't wait thank you very much to see it again and all of those people that you mentioned uh again
because this is how we do, right, in Bitcoin, right?
All those people, again, including even yourself, right,
were part of making that experience happen, right?
Like, you know, and that's what we wanted to almost reach out to, right?
Like, we do this all differently on a small scale with meetups, right?
And we all speak at bigger events, right?
And we all try to bring kind of like, obviously, in the UK,
we don't have any Bitcoin conference, right?
We don't have a major Bitcoin event that is happening on a regular basis.
So we wanted to bring all of that together, but not deliver it, like you said, like it's.
We wanted to deliver it in between a conference, an unconference, and a festival.
And that's exactly why, if you look at the BitFest site, it is called a conference festival.
It's not just a conference.
So yeah, it's just putting all of those things together and just thank you and hats off to everybody else as well.
I don't know, Avi's got some footage.
He's got his own footage from BitFest that will be coming out at some point.
So yeah, shouts out to Avi as well and Jimmy Chiba,
who done all of the filming and the video work,
because he really made it look like how it felt.
And Pete as well.
Yeah, and Peter as well.
Lots of hard work went into the conference.
But like I said, it's fantastic.
it having the factory around the corner putting on a live gig there um who was i listening to the
other day he was talking about making uh oh it was nathan i was listening to avi interviewed nathan
and he was talking about how the sunday everyone was fairly wrecked and no one really was that
motivated to do any competition everyone had such an amazing time on the friday and the saturday
that sunday you know there's a lot of people missing first thing in the morning of course
So I think they're going to do something slightly differently where there's going to be a lot more chilled out, relaxed kind of things happening.
You know, maybe the Bitcoin Film Fest guys are set up there on the Sunday and we'll put some films on and things like that, you know, where people can just be a bit more lazy, I suppose, on the Sunday and kind of recover their thoughts.
So, yeah. So that's a really powerful thing. So, yeah. Once again, what's the website for that, mate? BitFest.UK?
Yeah, bitfest.uk.
So at the moment, you'll still see the old website up there, right?
And you can kick me in machines if you want to,
because I'm actually the person responsible for making sure
the new website goes up, right?
So, yeah, as I said, wearing many hats as usual, yeah,
the different alias again.
So, yeah, so I'm just working now on a landing page
that's going to go up for 2026.
So everyone can go, once that's up,
people can go and register their interest and then we'll be dropping some early bird ticket
prices um you know pretty soon afterwards right um so yeah and and and all of your favorite bitcoin
communities just like last year every if you're part especially in the uk if you're part of a
local bitcoin community in the uk they will receive a discount code a 21 discount code on tickets
um you know and um yeah you know anybody who who we do work with if you're interested in in working
with us or whatever you also get a one of those tickets uh codes for your community yeah that's
it really just reach out if you're interested in it or go and check it out do we have a date
tied up for that yet now i believe they're going to be roughly around the same date so it's going
to be like the 20th and the 21st i believe which is the friday and the saturday if if if so so as
nathan uh had said right like we're not gonna do like a full-on three days this time there will be
it will be kind of like four days, right?
Like in total.
However, full on, like the conference,
as you said, side of it, like, you know,
speaking all the rest of that
is going to be condensed into two days.
So it will be, first day will be Nostar Shal
as it was last year.
And that will be all about Nostar.
And then the second day will be, you know,
like the main BitFest conference.
But obviously the two of them together
are still come under the BitFest wrapper.
So we're just thinking about what we could do
the night before as kind of like a pre-event at the moment.
And as Nathan said, you know,
what we do on the Sunday is a little bit more relaxed.
And if you've got the time to be around, you know,
then, you know, you can stick around and take the time.
Yeah, the pre-event would be great to have a steak night, right?
Yeah.
A steak night on the pre-event.
But no, like I say, BitFest really is that
all-encompassing community festival for the hackers,
the privacy maxes, the BTC maxes, you know, the guys that are into hardware,
the guys that are into software.
Do you know what I mean?
The music, the art, the film.
Your mum, your dad, your kids.
Your mum, your dad.
You've got your kids zone as well.
So there was loads of kids running around as well trying to extract sats
from the adult folk by stealing popcorn and stuff like that.
Oh, yeah.
Kids were sat hunting.
They were.
Yeah, they understand.
Yeah, I think the kids are going to be all right.
Right, okay.
So I'm going to show a couple of events that I'm involved in as well
and that you're involved in as well.
April the 30th, we have a showcase.
It's almost like an industry showcase that we're doing in conjunction
with Fountain and Antidote, BTC, in London, in Shoreditch,
where we are putting on a gig.
three acts we've got we've got longy and we've got a couple of legacy acts as well paisley days
and a guy called sylvain sylvain unchained was it sylvain unchained i think his name yes that's
right um they're going to be performing we're going to be live streaming the whole event as
well so that everyone can be able uh be able to watch it on noster once again we're not necessarily
promoting this gig as a Bitcoin gig.
It's going to be an industry showcase.
I know that they've invited some labels, some legacy artists,
some distributors that are all based in London.
They're all inviting them to the gig.
And it's just going to be a very interesting show to really show them what's
going on and how this new ecosystem is quietly building.
and I suppose at the same time
will they get the realisation
it will probably eat their lunch
eventually unless if they dismiss it
do you know what I mean
so I'm obviously
got to be on my best behaviour
not to alienate too many people
in the audience
and I promise not to do that
I'll try and do it in a subtle way
the thing is like you said
there's two parts to it right
so the event on the night
we've got
The first part of the event is going to be held at antidote offices, isn't it?
So that is the industry.
That explaining the tech isn it That going to be more If you a musician with a manager or you a music manager or you a record label owner a distributor a record shop owner anything like that
You run a podcast, you're a DJ, you want to go to that industry part of that event.
Like because you're going to learn how this stuff works, kind of like a bit of the background.
Process and all that.
yeah yeah and then for everyone just generally like you know all different walks of life the
concert uh you know at the part side of it is going to be really cool just a cool place to go
and discover people meet people meet then we're going to do a gig and we're going to show them how
it works in in real life basically um yeah and and i hope they all get that wow moment you know
when we start receive receiving zaps in from our our american brothers and sisters over there
because I know they're obviously very proactive on this, you know,
but once messages start coming in from Nashville and from Texas
and from California and from New York, do you know what I mean?
I think that would open their eyes, I think, a little bit to the value
that we're bringing to the space.
So, yeah, so that will be April the 30th.
So if you're in London, tickets are available.
I'm sure we'll try and add a ticket link into the bottom of this as well.
but also I want to shill the event as well that we are doing in well I was going to say the one
in Belgrade we're going to Belgrade on the 19th 20th and we're doing that Avi's going to be part
of that I know open mic and tunester are involved in that as well but that's going to be right on
the tail end of the Bitcoin Prague thing so any of that you any of you Americans Australians you
You know, wherever you're coming from, if you come to Europe for that chunk, you've got Warsaw at the beginning of June.
Then you've got Prague, I think 13th, 14th.
And then the weekend after that, you've got Belgrade, where we're basically going to be throwing a music festival.
We're on the Friday. We've got six or seven acts, including Longy, including Joe Martin.
I did have a whole line up here, but I've mislaid it.
I'm sure Avi will be talking about that a lot on this show in the coming months.
But we've also got one of Serbia's biggest metal bands as well called Scardust.
And they're going to be ensuring that the 800 capacity on this barge is rocking.
Do you know what I mean?
So I'm going to be your consummate host again in that environment.
So please go easy on me.
Hopefully there's not going to be too much of a language barrier.
I'm not really that good at Serbians.
I'm just really praying that the Serbians are half decent at English.
Certainly my Cockney Essex style of English.
Hopefully they've heard enough of that over the years through Lockstock and Two Smoking Barrels and all them movies that come out of our neck of the woods.
So they can gather what's going on.
So, yeah, so that's going to be Belgrade.
That's going to be a wicked show as well.
I can't wait for that.
We've also potentially got, and I've been talking to Joe Martin because in July,
I think he's just off the back of an album release as well.
He's going to be back living in Isle of Man.
We're talking about maybe doing something in the Isle of Man because obviously
that's where it's a very unique jurisdiction in the Isle of Man.
You know, I know the UK's biggest exchange, Coin Corner, is based there.
So I know we're trying to figure something out,
trying to make that viable in July, something in the Isle of Man as well.
That would be sick.
And then I think we have lots of little plans.
As you know, I've managed Orange Pill local music venue to me called Peggy's.
so I'll be doing monthly open mic slash Bitcoin Essex meetups there which are always good fun
because we have a we have a split of Bitcoiners and Normies in the same room and you know they're
kind of wowed by what we're doing with the musicians and we're having QRs on the screens
and stuff like that so that's all good and then obviously November like you say we've we're
building everything up into Bitfest so yeah can't wait for that yeah and just touching
on what you just said there.
I mean, another thing that,
obviously, just to kind of throw it out there,
I know, you know,
we can't reveal too much yet,
but obviously me, you and Mad Monkey
and Ninda, you know,
we're having these consistent chats
around introducing this
to other event hosts, right?
So, you know, that's another thing
that is slowly kind of making,
well, I know on my side
and I know on your side as well,
as you said, venues
and making headway
with other event hosts right like hey guys you should be implementing this stack in what you're
doing right like um you know and and see how it works for your audience right like um and i think
that that as well is also a big thing because having lots of different events around london
or the uk that are all implementing you know this kind of stack it means that people see it and it
kind of becomes the new thing like oh yeah that guy's performing what's why have you got the qr
code or what's all of these uh uh messages that i can't wait how do i send the message oh well you
need to kind of like have a bit of bitcoin like and then you know the artists get it and then
you have these different event hosts now that can now explain it in the same same way that we can
they might not know as much about bitcoin as we do right like but they can still explain it on a
very basic and simple level right and when you get that happening and like you've got 12 or 20
different as i said uh event promoters or hosts using exactly the same method that's when you
actually start to hit that mass crowd again right like because the mass crowds are saying
this is oh i went to one gig and you know in the gig they had all of these great visualizations and
stuff and it was really slamming gig and you know what you can do you can send them bitcoin
and it goes straight to the artist yeah and the guy told me that you know that you could you could
buy stuff at the bar with Bitcoin. So we were buying beers
with it. And they gave us five
quid when we worked through the door and
we got a beer and we gave some money to
the artist and I've got still a little
bit of it and it's gone up.
So back to the whole price
figure game.
And that's it. They're
in the rabbit hole. My thing
always as an educator has been
bring the people to the
rabbit hole. That's what you've got to do. You've got to bring
the people to the rabbit hole and show them what's inside.
like you know you can't just bring them to the rabbit hole and go oh yeah bye like because if
you do that like then they go crypto route and they start going all crazy but when you bring
them to the rabbit hole and you show them what's inside you actually show them what works right
then they stay there and they they they they they they they they they use that as their first
experience so showing them that bitcoin that's the advantage bitcoin has over everything bitcoin
fucking works like and that's it uh so showing them these facets of how bitcoin works is the real
way to to to bring them in right and yeah so so yeah so look out for that people there's going to
be a lot of little events that you might see popping up and you're probably gonna know that
me aaron or monkey would have had some kind of interaction with them right like around the uk so
100%
right okay
so this is the part
of the show
where
I introduce
my last song
I get a choice
as well
and it was really difficult
because I was like
trying to figure out
now obviously
you know
Nat's going to be bringing
lots of hip hop
and lots of rap
to the game
and can I match it up
match it genre specific
but I thought
it's you know
it's
futile
for me to do that
so I'm just going to go
straight in
with one of
one of the artists
that I brought into the space
And I just really wanted to share a story if there are any artists or there are any people listening as to this isn't just about money, what we're doing here.
This is about freedom of freedom of expression and getting your art out there and discovery fundamentally.
This band is somebody that I've known for over 20 years.
and over the last couple of years he's gone through a few health issues.
I'm not going to elaborate too much on that, but he was in a very kind of down state.
I think it broke up his relationship and I think he's just been struggling with life over the last couple of years.
However, he's a phenomenal singer, he's a phenomenal songwriter.
some of you may know him um from you know my my uh neck of the woods uh but his name's nolan abba
and when i approached him and i said because i'd already brought his brother nathan who had all
this solo work but they was in a band together called the 54 plates a few years ago and basically
i because i'd shown nathan this like nathan was like oh yeah you know you need to get onto
Nolan, he's kind of like withdrawn from society a little bit.
He's kind of like disappeared a little bit.
Do you know what I mean?
And it's a shame.
And we got to try and get him, get his, you know, get his, his vigor, you know, get his
spark for life back again.
So I obviously approached him.
I said, look, Nolan, you've got an amazing like record.
Literally all 10 tracks are amazing.
Inspired by the 90s, by the grunge scene, by the Seattle scene, you know, by all of that.
You notice who he sounds like when I play the tunes But basically I just want to let people know that since this has come out their band has had like three or four number ones in the open music RSS scene He getting
contact from people all over the planet. He's been sent Bitcoin from people all over the planet.
And having his music heard has inspired him enough to get back on the guitar. He's starting
posting little stories on TikTok and Instagram stories and things like that.
So this music scene and basically this kind of act of like doing good for people
and exposing people for the talent they've got, I cannot reiterate how powerful
this feeling is, the fact that you're being heard and people are acknowledging you.
for the mental health, for the inspiration, for igniting something,
being a catalyst of something, you know,
so much more profound than just number go up.
This is about discovering people.
This is about meritocracy.
This is about people engaging with things that they would never have been able
to engage with before because they would never have had any access to it.
Well, this song is 10 Feet. It's by The 54 Plates. I want to play it for you today because it's one of my favourite songs of theirs. So I hope you enjoy it too. This is 10 Feet.
Whispering words that resemble my fear
As I've been bruised, beaten and batted down over the years
I scream, I believe myself all the pain.
How much do you think I know?
How much do you care?
When God pictured beautiful, he had you in his mind.
It's not a common stuff, make me live
I'm running out of time
I'll always be there
I'm here till the end
How much do you think I know?
Won't you pretend
I breathe
I see
I feel no pain
In love
Out love
Do we feel the same
Do you feel the same?
I believe my body's down
Ten feet below the ground
Oh, I think I love you
Oh, I believe it's almost this true
I breathe, I sing, I feel no pain
In love, in love, oh love, oh love
Do you feel the same?
I've laid my body down
Ten feet below the ground
I breathe, I see, I feel no pain
In love, out love
Do you feel the same?
I believe my body's down
Ten feet below the ground
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
Thank you.
Right, that was 10 feet by the 54 plates.
Once again, please boost the tracks.
Please send us some Bitcoin.
Please send every single artist you've heard today.
Send them a message.
Let them know that they've been heard,
that their music is getting out there.
Add to the message where you're listening from as well
because it always blows their mind.
We had listeners to our show in BitFest from Venezuela.
do you know what I mean how how mad is that when we was playing playing uh on stage at Bitfest that
we had sats being sent from Venezuela mate it blew my mind do you know what I mean with what's going
on over there so yeah send the artists a boost send them a message let them know where you're
listening from and you know let's go forward together let's kind of like build these new
these new networks let's build these new um bridges from the fiat legacy world into the bitcoin world
and let's protect each other enough so that we never have a situation like what we experience
with spyify and all of that that we don't have to go back into they won't be able to capture this
network and that's what they're most afraid of do you know what i mean anyway that's enough about
all of that stuff i hope you've enjoyed the show all it's left for me to say is nat just tell us a
little bit about where we can follow you follow your work um big r pics or b i g r p i c on x
um on nostalgene atlas cole um yeah like uh with with 2140 music i mean with 2140 music on
everything basically or 2140 art on everything um yeah and then the website for 2140 music as i
said earlier music.2140art.com and that's it really wicked yeah right well i've been your host
of this hijacked takeover of the sunday brunch i'm aaron of essex you can follow me on nosta
as well, Aaron of Essex. I also run
a new music nudge unit, which is my
nimm for nudging
musicians into
the value verse. You can follow me on there.
But yeah, thanks a lot for today,
Nat. I hope to see you soon
and yeah, take care.
Thanks for inviting me.
You're welcome.
Thanks for listening, everyone. Over and out.
Until next time, see you soon.
Bye-bye.
Thank you.