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Welcome to Pleb Chain Radio, a live show brought to you by Plebs for Plebs, which focuses

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on the intersection of NOSTER and Bitcoin protocols.

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Join QW and Avi as they run down the weekly news and developments, breaking down the current

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thing and the future frontier with the foundation of decentralization, the builders, thinkers,

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doers, and plebs.

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All right, we are live.

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Welcome, gentle pioneers, to the lightning-laced airwaves.

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Today is Friday, the 14th of November, and it is 10.59am on the east coast of the United States at the time of recording.

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This is episode 137 of PlepJane Radio.

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We have a fun one ahead of you today.

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LadyBlockJane, a.k.a. Yenna

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Artist and pioneer

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Joins us to talk about her artistic journey

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And much, much more

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And a reminder folks

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If you are listening to this show on Apple or Spotify

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First of all, thank you for listening

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But I would urge you to hit pause

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And switch over to the Fountain Podcasting app

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Where you can earn some sats

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And support the value-for-value revolution

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While you listen

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And while you're there

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on Fountain, we would appreciate it if you hit that subscribe button. Your support helps keep

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our mics warm and this podcast ad-free. The show is streamed live on zap.stream and any other Noster

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client that supports streaming such as Amethyst, Noster, Fountain and Primal. And folks, my new

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novel, the sequel to my first one, 24, this one is called July 18th, July 18, will be released this

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Sunday, November 16th. That is two days from the time of recording. I did not write a book about

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Bitcoin. I wrote a surrealist literary and philosophical epic about the world it makes

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possible. A story of a young man's brutal psychological transformation, a Joyce-ian

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dive into the soul and the search for a truth that endures. I do hope you get a copy. It will

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be available on all the fiat platforms like Amazon, Barnes & Noble, etc. And I'm working on setting up

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Bitcoin payments to purchase it directly from my website. That one's going to take a few weeks as

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it's a somewhat involved process. I will be at BitFest in Manchester next week. That one runs

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from November 21st to 23rd. And there I will be doing the first book signing for July 18.

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21 copies only, and they will all contain a handwritten correction due to a minor publishing

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issue that I ran into. It's just six extra words in there, handwritten, that possibly,

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possibly mean everything.

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And BitFest itself will be three days of amazing

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Nostra, Bitcoin, film and art.

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And I'm genuinely looking forward to being there,

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participating on the panels and the talks

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and meeting friends old and making new ones.

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I hope to see some or many of you there.

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Please use discount code PLEBCHAINRADIO, one word,

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for Lab Chain Radio for 10% off tickets.

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And Nosfabrica, the company I founded with Vitor Pamplona, John Gordon,

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and recently David Strahorn, is kicking off its second hackathon of the year.

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And we're calling this one a Whatathon.

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We're inviting builders from all walks of Noster to participate

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and build open source web of trust solutions.

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The prize pool is 50 million sats.

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You heard that right, 50, 5-0, million sats,

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or as the kids these days like to call it, 50 million bitcoins.

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This, I believe, is the largest bitcoin prize pool that I'm aware of in recent memory.

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For more info on Nosfabrica and the Wattathon,

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please go to nosfabrica.com slash Wattathon.

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That's W-O-T-A-T-H-O-N

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To learn more about Nosfabrica itself

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You can listen to my Plep Chain Radio episode number 133

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From just about a month ago in mid-October

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When I had David Strayhorn on the show

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And for our sermon today

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I'd like to talk about the Hegelian arc of art

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I want to talk about art not as an academic exercise, but as a living thing that keeps trying to remember what it is.

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If you zoom out, you see a kind of Hegelian arc to the last couple of centuries.

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So first, here is the thesis.

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You can call it, and I certainly do, classicalism.

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This is the long age leading up to, oh, let's pick a random year, 1913.

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I wonder why I picked that year.

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Anyway, in that classicalist world leading up to 1913, art was about the pursuit of beauty.

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Painters, composers, architects, poets, they were all in some way in service to the beautiful.

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But that beauty came wrapped in dogma

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Rules about perspective, rules about subject matter

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Rules about who got to speak and how

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Beauty yes, but beauty in a corset

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Then came the antithesis, modernism

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Dali melting clocks

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Breton's manifestos

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Bunuel's razor slicing the eye of polite society

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cutting holes in narrative itself

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Again, let's just pick another random date

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I wonder why I picked that random date

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The rebellion ossified into its own dogma

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The cutting edge discovered that it was easier to destroy than to build

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Easier to sneer than to sing

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The pursuit of beauty gave way to the performance of boredom

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So that's where we are now, surrounded by content, starving for beauty.

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So what's the synthesis?

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The synthesis is what I call true postmodernism

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Not the academic word salad we've been sold

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But a genuine third stage

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A Bitcoin renaissance

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The dogma of classicalism is gone

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The nihilism of late stage modernism has burned itself out

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What's left is the possibility of a clean slate

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A new unbridled pursuit of beauty

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built on hope, aspiration, and low time preference.

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Low time preference means we plant trees whose shade we may never sit under.

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It means cathedrals and temples, not pop-up booths.

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It means songs and stories and films that might still matter in 50 years,

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not just for the algorithm's next refresh cycle.

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Bitcoin is teaching us to think in those terms again,

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to build on bedrock instead of quicksand.

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In this synthesis, we don't go back.

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We don't pretend the 20th century didn't happen.

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We keep the technical mastery of the classical,

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the experimental courage of the modern,

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and we throw away the fear, the despair,

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the cynicism, and the hollow irony.

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We dare to say, without embarrassment,

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that art should be beautiful and that beauty should be true.

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If money can be fixed, culture can be healed.

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And when culture heals, beauty comes roaring back.

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And on today's show, I'm happy to talk to someone who is a pioneer in this new synthesis.

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Yenna, welcome to Pleb Chain Radio.

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Hello, Avi.

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Well, it's great to have you.

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Sorry, go ahead.

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Yes, can you hear me?

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Yeah, hello.

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Yes, can hear you loud and clear.

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So, Yenna, for people who might know your art, but not your story, how would you introduce yourself these days?

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Who is Yenna or Lady Blockchain?

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Jane.

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I live in Switzerland, and my background is I'm a tattoo artist since school time, actually

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since 21 years.

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And I had to stop and close my shop, and because I always lived from an art.

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I just a painter and I do Bitcoin artworks that I expose on conferences now since two years

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Love it.

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So, you know, you said you're Swiss,

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and you move from these very grounded European roots,

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let's say,

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to this almost cosmic Bitcoin art vibe.

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how did you first fall in love with art and then how did bitcoin come into that story

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i maybe was not so like studying art history or falling in love with art that way but

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i found i had a talent and i could find ways to make my life with it

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and I can't say it was just one special moment it's just my way of being and

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it's more other people than saying oh you are the artist and it's just like

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feel like I more accepted it than and it's something that I choose for myself but then was

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like yeah it's also a good choice to to accept it to have a talent and and everyone sees it in you

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and then gives you this way to be an artist

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and you just say, okay then.

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And I am an artist, you know.

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So do you remember the moment

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when Bitcoin came into the picture for you

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and it maybe went from,

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this is an interesting idea to,

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oh my god this changed everything uh of course um i had like like two access

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one like two different ways also how my pieces of art in bitcoin were created and i think this

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It's really interesting because one was like when I studied Bitcoin, this was like a choice.

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You hear about it and you get interested in it and then you choose, you want to know more.

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And even before this, there was something that happened that was really surprisingly,

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it was like a visionary experience in a dream no drugs involved but i can tell you the story

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later also exactly that um for me was like uh an orange peeling and i did not understand it at first

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and then discovered but that this was a bitcoin experience i understood much much later

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after the studies.

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And this was because I have a brother

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that's using computer techniques.

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He's an engineer

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and presented Bitcoin to me.

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And then I learned a lot about it

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by videos and podcasts.

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You know, Jana, you can't just say

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it came to me in a dream

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and we'll talk about it later.

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I think we need to hear about that dream now.

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Right now, okay.

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I kind of started this really complex story.

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And how you say it was for me, it was like life-changing from the first moment.

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But I didn't know what was happening.

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So I can explain to you that you understand it.

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Maybe just not mixing the dream and what was happening in my life.

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At this time, I was working in a record store from a local record label.

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And I wrote graffiti, you know.

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I had a graffiti crew and I had my tattoo shop.

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So then I found out that because my artist name is Jena,

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and there is a city in Germany called Jena.

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and for me as a um yeah graffiti artist that's fun because my name is already written everywhere

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you know and then I was like my plan was I have to go to Jena and like discover myself

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it's like a story before the story and I found out there is a band from the label I work for

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they're going to play in Jena.

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And I asked them if they can take me on tour with them.

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And I made some tattoos on stage with a punk band,

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and we went to Jena.

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And my idea was I'm going to discover myself.

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And what then happened was like literally the night before,

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we were in another city before Jena.

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I had really this dream that contained really this.

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For me, it was Bitcoin, the first touch of Bitcoin, but I didn't know it.

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So you want to hear the dream, but it will take a moment.

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We have more than one moment, Jena. Go ahead.

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You have a time limit with this podcast, actually.

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I forgot to ask. Yes.

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So in this dream, now I just talk about the dream so you will not be confused, okay?

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What is real and what's the dream?

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And imagine, I was not a Bitcoiner, I was really a pre-coiner, no-coiner.

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I had no idea about all the memes and everything.

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So it's really unbelievable how it can happen like this.

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And yeah, in this dream, it started with me having a pill.

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and for me it was totally clear

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like in this dream I came out of

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kind of a hospital I run away because this pill was really

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a dangerous pill because it was

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the last of a whole series

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you know the last existing one and it could

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when you take it it could make like this super super flash or it kills you

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And it's like, I didn't know why I have it, but I had it.

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And it was not easy to have it because I knew you cannot just give it away.

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Someone would take it.

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And I have to destroy it, but I cannot.

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And I have to find a place where to put it.

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And then in this dream, a friend of mine came and wanted to have it.

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You see the Bitcoin symbols, like a pill.

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it's rare

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what was the color of this pill

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I can't say

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it was orange

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it was just

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all these

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things I knew about it that was connected

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the meaning you know

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and then a friend came

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a friend that I really had in real

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but it was in a dream and he wanted

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to take the pill and I could not give it to him

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because I knew it would maybe kill him

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we started a fight.

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And he said, if you love me, you give it to me.

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And I said, because I love you, I cannot give it to you.

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And, you know, we broke up.

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And it was like really emotional, like real.

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It felt like real.

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And then I think

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because I was absent-minded

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by this conflict, and this is also really symbolic,

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because when you're absent-minded

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in your mind, you cannot

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often, you don't live in the moment.

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So then to find a place for this pill, maybe I

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thought I'm going to dig it in the ground and walked into a forest

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and I lost my way because I wasn't paying attention.

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This for me is the symbol of the entropy.

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A symbol that I use in a painting that we can take

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as an example then when the story is finished.

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But, yes, and I lost my way.

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And all of a sudden, I, like, ended up in a little house, like a witch house.

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You know the Baba Yaga story?

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It's this witch house in a forest.

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And it was, like, really cozy and comfortable.

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And it looked like someone just left the room.

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There was maybe a fire.

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and can you imagine like a hot tea on the table or something?

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And I was like, oh, damn, shoot.

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I end up in someone's private prophecy, you know, no invitation, no permission.

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I shouldn't be here.

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Someone lives here and I lost my way.

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And now like, oh, damn, shoot.

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And I still have this pill, you know.

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And then I was, my thinking was like, I just leave by the back door

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before someone sees me.

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And maybe this was like a philosophy because I was a house quarter for eight years.

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And we always took the back door, you know, it's like a way of living also.

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And then I could not walk away because suddenly there was like an entity, a person.

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For me, she was a healer.

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It was a woman with, I could say, like pure energy or pure love.

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but symbolically it was a woman and what really was um impressing was she has red lips and two

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orange dots painted on on her cheeks like left and right from the mouth you see

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and then I was like saying excuses oh sorry I shouldn be here I know sorry that I do this invasion in your house and I just leaving You didn see me I gone And the answer came telepathically

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And she said, like in Swiss German, I can say in Swiss German,

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and then translate.

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She said,

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That means there is no more back door.

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There has been renovation.

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You have to leave by the front.

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it's what I did

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it's almost finished

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and when I came

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there was a fence around her house

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you know

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and I can also describe how it was

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it was like a little bit of stone

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then there was a metal fence

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and some plants

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and when I was at the door

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from this fence she suddenly appeared

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behind me like

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out of nothing

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again like before

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and here she was like

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the best friend, you know, like your soulmate.

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And then she told me, but she asked me, yeah, but, you know, look, you say you lost your

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way, but actually, what is the real reason?

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Why are you really here?

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That was amazing.

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And then I told her the whole story, you know, I shut out my heart and said, oh, I had this

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fight with my friend because of this pill and came up with the whole story.

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and she's just loved.

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And then she told me something that I forgot

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because I woke up,

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and I woke up still in the city in Germany

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the day before Jena, the city,

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and I was really confused.

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I don't know if you can imagine.

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Now as a Bitcoiner, it's a logic story,

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but for me it was like, what?

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And the energy of it was so intense

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that it never left me.

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And it took four years

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that I realized.

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And all these symbols came back

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as soon as I went to the conferences.

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And it made me then understood

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because I started to learn Bitcoin.

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But how I learned it in real,

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it came from a totally other side.

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You know, it was my brother giving me a letter one day

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in summer 19,

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and I was learning everything on my balcony.

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I listened to all the podcasts of Andreas Antonopoulos.

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So his Bitcoin diet was my Bitcoin sunburn.

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Yes, and this was amazing then to find out the meanings and all this.

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Yeah, this unbelievable story made me like crazy and suddenly made sense.

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sense. And then I started to paint

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the first really Bitcoin-inspired

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artworks as soon as I understood the connection

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of all this. And here is where

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for me it starts the really artworks that I

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made that has really a meaning and are really

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the good ones. The other access is just

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I learn about it.

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Then I learn, I take notes.

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I think it's really important.

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I make the note bigger.

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I add some decoration.

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And there comes an artwork out of it.

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You see the two different ways of approach that I mean.

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So, Yana, basically what happened was you were, a few years back, you were on your way to this town called Yana in Germany.

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Yes.

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And you had the dream in which you had all of the symbolism that you could not interpret.

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But then once you started learning about it.

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It looked like Bitcoin invited myself.

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Yes.

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Right.

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Yes.

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So all of the symbolism.

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Then later, like two years later, I learned, I studied Bitcoin.

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And two years later, I started to go to the meetups.

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And there, all these symbols, I like recognized them.

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And then all of a sudden, it was like an orange hammer on my head.

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That was a Bitcoin dream.

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And she told me something like 1-0-0-1-1-1-0 or something like digital dignity.

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I'm the goddess of truth, which is all seed words.

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And I have to find out myself.

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So that's why I also forgot what she said.

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Yeah, no, that's quite the story.

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What do you think about it?

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No, it's, there's, you know, things coming in dreams, great bursts of creativity and almost, you know, serendipity that can't quite be explained.

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I mean, this has happened, right?

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There's stories of mathematicians having dreams in which that allowed them to solve.

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And it's not the first time for me that things like this happen.

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The other interesting thing for me was a similar story in a similar vein was Douglas Adams, the guy who wrote Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

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He was before he had the idea for the book.

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He was in Innsbruck with some friends and they got very, very drunk.

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And then he got so drunk that he left the group.

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He stumbled into a field.

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This must have been maybe sometime in the 70s or 80s.

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I can't remember.

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I think 70s.

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You wrote it in the early 70s.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So this is before the book existed.

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So then in Innsbruck, he just, or so the story goes,

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he collapsed onto a field and basically fell asleep drunk.

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And then he had a dream, either a combination of a dream

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or a drunken vision where he was looking up at the sky

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and he saw all of these things and then that's where the idea for the hitchhiker's guide was born

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in his mind. Oh nice but I was not drunk at the moment and there was no drugs involved

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I have to say it happened just like that. So let's yeah do you think maybe that Satoshi had like a

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vision for this dream because when some coincidence is like this happens how can you explain you know

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to someone that it was a coincidence.

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For a research later, he would say, no, that's not possible.

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Because another author of a film, I don't know his name,

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but the film was Laura Lenz said, the difference between the film

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and the reality is if I tell the story in the film,

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how it was in real, when you look at the film,

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you would say, no, that's not possible.

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That cannot happen.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, well, look, many such cases, hard to explain it in the language that sounds rational, some of these things.

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But let's continue, Yana, on the topic of synchronicity.

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Yes, also the Bitcoin art.

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Then maybe the story contains like this.

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Then I painted.

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I used to try to use symbols for showing Bitcoin themes

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because I thought there are not a lot of symbols to show it.

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It's something totally new.

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Maybe that's my habit as a tattoo artist,

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so to find a symbol for someone's story or a tattoo,

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and it was like Bitcoin became my tattoo client,

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so I created a lot of, I tried out symbols,

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and ways how you can tell these more mathematical logics

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and other things about Bitcoin in a painting.

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Do you have an example of one of your paintings

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where you describe some of this mathematical structure of Bitcoin through art?

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Yeah, there's one I like to add as an example.

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And so it's sad we have an audio-only show.

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You cannot see the picture.

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But if the listeners want to see it at the same time,

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they can go on my Instagram page.

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There is it.

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It's called Dressed in Entropy.

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I sent you a picture before.

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You may know which one.

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I do, yes.

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It's a beautiful painting.

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Describe it.

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It's a woman in front of some trees, like in a forest.

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It's held in orange and red, like purple-red.

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And she has a knot on her head, can you say, like a gordy knot,

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and her eyes are turned up.

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You can better describe it.

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And the symbol I use there is, remember when I said in the dream, when you walk upset-mindedly in a forest, imagine each rencontre, if you step in front of a tree, actually, it makes you a decision go left or go right.

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so

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let's say

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left creates zero

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and right creates one

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so as soon as you walk

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absentmindedly you create it like

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entropic

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binary code

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actually and

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you can make the

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metaphor

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on the life when you go away

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that is not planned ahead

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or not sure

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or just the adventure, as you say.

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And this is why I also painted her dress

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in a way that the colour is applied by hazard I used the vapor dryer and the hair dryer And it an animated work isn it

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I'm looking at...

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No, it's just the animation I made was just a fun app

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that makes portraits sing.

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And you can add a text.

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But normally it's a painting, acrylic on canvas.

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It's like 16 on 120 centimeters big.

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And it's a physical artwork that I have shown on different conferences this year,

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like in Lugano, in Glasgow, in Ireland, in last year also in Switzerland, in France,

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different conferences here.

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yeah no it's a beautiful work for sure but you know i want to go back to the topic of

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synchronicity and coincidences i think this is we met through a coincidence via our friend

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a common friend fractal encrypt uh you know this is uh it's this is one of the things i love about

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bitcoin right is these synchronicities and coincidences that come up this happened

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in Madeira.

469
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Yeah, a lot of people say they have to.

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I would love to hear how the story was for you

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from your side to hear it.

472
00:32:40,218 --> 00:32:42,958
Well, why don't we start with you, Jana?

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Because that's fractal.

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Okay, I can tell you how it was.

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Yeah, go ahead.

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I heard about the conference

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from some Belgian Bitcoin friends

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when we were in Lugano.

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And I just wanted to meet them again.

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And the ticket was for me too expensive.

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and I just thought, oh, I have these paintings,

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so why should we ask them to show them

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so that I can get a ticket?

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Actually, it was this.

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And then I looked at Telegram

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and I found the Prima Deren Bitcoin Group.

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I don't remember his name.

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He was an organizer of the gallery.

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And I sent him the painting and said,

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hey, I have some art.

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Can I show it?

492
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And he said, yeah, the gallery is this fractal entry,

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you know our friend and he said at the artist call is tomorrow i was like okay it's tomorrow

494
00:33:37,638 --> 00:33:45,278
so i wrote to tractor and i said the same look this is my paintings can i show them and he just

495
00:33:45,278 --> 00:33:53,558
said would love to have you for me it was like wow easy i'm gonna go to madeira and um

496
00:33:53,558 --> 00:34:00,918
when he was preparing the gallery and doing the work just he sent me like a mail he was

497
00:34:00,918 --> 00:34:10,038
so excited yeah did you see avi's book he said what book what avi no i didn't see anything

498
00:34:10,038 --> 00:34:16,738
and then he said oh it's so crazy um you should totally read it and there will be the presentation

499
00:34:16,738 --> 00:34:25,419
of the book at the conference just next to the gallery and I was like what what's going on

500
00:34:25,419 --> 00:34:30,978
and then I was thinking look if he doesn't tell me because he said I promise I'm gonna offer you

501
00:34:30,978 --> 00:34:35,959
one of the books and you have to read it there is something a coincidence with your painting and the

502
00:34:35,959 --> 00:34:43,718
book and I was really curious and then I thought myself yeah look we're in the age of internet I

503
00:34:43,718 --> 00:34:45,478
I can't ask Avi.

504
00:34:46,518 --> 00:34:48,598
And I just wrote you a message.

505
00:34:49,318 --> 00:34:50,598
And then you told me why.

506
00:34:51,959 --> 00:35:00,018
So it seems like in your book, you describe a painting that looks really similar,

507
00:35:00,198 --> 00:35:03,318
or mine looks really similar to how you describe it.

508
00:35:03,318 --> 00:35:07,198
I call it secret seed phrase.

509
00:35:07,198 --> 00:35:15,198
and hidden some like 24 little silver balls in flowers.

510
00:35:15,598 --> 00:35:18,939
And I painted a lady with a cube in her hand.

511
00:35:19,419 --> 00:35:22,298
And I don't know if you're aware of the detail.

512
00:35:22,298 --> 00:35:25,298
I was thinking about to paint a flame,

513
00:35:25,778 --> 00:35:30,118
but it looked to me like a flame is not Bitcoin symbolic enough, however.

514
00:35:32,118 --> 00:35:33,678
And then I made a cube.

515
00:35:33,678 --> 00:35:37,518
and I called it secret seed phrase

516
00:35:37,518 --> 00:35:39,598
and second name

517
00:35:39,598 --> 00:35:41,518
was like, you know, made you a crepe

518
00:35:41,518 --> 00:35:43,478
because there was a moon in the background

519
00:35:43,478 --> 00:35:45,238
looking like an omelette

520
00:35:45,238 --> 00:35:47,698
and in your book

521
00:35:47,698 --> 00:35:49,258
I never read it actually

522
00:35:49,258 --> 00:35:51,038
I didn't get it because

523
00:35:51,038 --> 00:35:52,798
they couldn't deliver it

524
00:35:52,798 --> 00:35:55,078
or what happened to them in Madeira

525
00:35:55,078 --> 00:35:56,998
I actually never got it

526
00:35:56,998 --> 00:35:59,538
yeah, there was shipping delays

527
00:35:59,538 --> 00:36:00,718
with the book

528
00:36:00,718 --> 00:36:02,798
well, not even shipping

529
00:36:02,798 --> 00:36:07,118
So what's in your book you have to describe because I cannot read it yet.

530
00:36:07,298 --> 00:36:10,198
Yeah, there are two paintings in that book.

531
00:36:10,678 --> 00:36:11,158
There are two.

532
00:36:11,318 --> 00:36:15,318
One of them, obviously I have to describe it because, you know,

533
00:36:15,338 --> 00:36:16,658
they're not real paintings, right?

534
00:36:16,778 --> 00:36:18,018
They're fictional paintings.

535
00:36:18,538 --> 00:36:21,198
But one of them is, you know, the myrtle tree, right?

536
00:36:21,198 --> 00:36:24,398
It's a type of myrtle flowers.

537
00:36:24,838 --> 00:36:29,419
And I described a wreath that was made of myrtle flowers,

538
00:36:29,419 --> 00:36:34,398
but it's actually inspired by a merkle tree, right?

539
00:36:34,538 --> 00:36:38,718
So it's the way the flower structure and all of that is set up.

540
00:36:39,018 --> 00:36:42,238
I wrote a lot of stats, but not in these paintings, yes.

541
00:36:42,758 --> 00:36:45,618
So that was one thing which I think Fractal caught.

542
00:36:45,678 --> 00:36:47,838
And the other was you talked about the second painting

543
00:36:47,838 --> 00:36:52,718
has a flame in the palm of someone's hand.

544
00:36:54,198 --> 00:36:54,898
Oh, yes.

545
00:36:55,238 --> 00:36:58,638
Yeah, so I think that's what Fractal caught on to.

546
00:36:58,638 --> 00:37:00,638
And obviously you and I didn't...

547
00:37:00,638 --> 00:37:03,939
A seed phrase hidden in a painting?

548
00:37:04,258 --> 00:37:05,078
Was that something?

549
00:37:05,178 --> 00:37:10,078
Yes, there was in the book, there's a seed phrase hidden in the painting.

550
00:37:11,378 --> 00:37:14,578
Yeah, because in my painting, it's the title of the painting.

551
00:37:14,878 --> 00:37:22,138
And there is also, it's not really a seed phrase, but it's the number of the words that you have in a seed phrase.

552
00:37:23,018 --> 00:37:23,538
Right.

553
00:37:23,538 --> 00:37:28,198
By the way, the painting, I sold it last year in Gano.

554
00:37:31,078 --> 00:37:32,959
This is the orange woman, right?

555
00:37:33,038 --> 00:37:34,298
I'm looking at it right now.

556
00:37:34,378 --> 00:37:35,459
She's wearing an orange hat.

557
00:37:35,738 --> 00:37:37,558
The cube is sort of floating above.

558
00:37:37,798 --> 00:37:38,698
Oh, it's like she's throwing it out.

559
00:37:38,718 --> 00:37:45,498
Yeah, she's like really similar to the one that was in my visionary dream experience.

560
00:37:46,238 --> 00:37:47,618
But I made one before.

561
00:37:47,758 --> 00:37:49,138
That was the second one.

562
00:37:49,318 --> 00:37:50,498
I made one before.

563
00:37:50,498 --> 00:37:52,398
I didn't send you, probably.

564
00:37:53,538 --> 00:37:59,818
with gray cubes in the background and also a lady holding a cube.

565
00:38:00,178 --> 00:38:04,439
And for me, it's like the actual block of Bitcoin.

566
00:38:04,838 --> 00:38:08,258
If you see this block as a beating heart in her hand,

567
00:38:08,258 --> 00:38:11,358
like the doom, it becomes bigger, smaller.

568
00:38:13,858 --> 00:38:15,478
And you can say in the background,

569
00:38:15,658 --> 00:38:20,439
it's your gray Piat depression past story.

570
00:38:23,538 --> 00:38:40,118
So, let's talk about another coincidence that you'd mentioned to me a couple of weeks back, Yena, which is something to do, and I don't know this, you just said that something happened in Vegas with a UFO decoration, Area 21. So, can you tell that story?

571
00:38:41,939 --> 00:38:44,978
Yes, of course. That was even more crazy.

572
00:38:44,978 --> 00:38:57,318
um i made some artworks with modiatek we do uh create art on electric secret boards

573
00:38:57,318 --> 00:39:05,018
have you seen his work it's amazing he like invented a new art form with this and um

574
00:39:05,018 --> 00:39:12,858
me i was in ireland with my paintings and him he was in vegas already with

575
00:39:12,858 --> 00:39:15,298
his work and those two pieces

576
00:39:15,298 --> 00:39:16,919
of art that we made together.

577
00:39:17,258 --> 00:39:19,058
So it means I made the design

578
00:39:19,058 --> 00:39:20,838
and he made the hardware.

579
00:39:21,419 --> 00:39:22,959
It's artwork with a bit

580
00:39:22,959 --> 00:39:24,998
axe in the middle and it

581
00:39:24,998 --> 00:39:26,178
makes those special lights.

582
00:39:26,419 --> 00:39:28,518
If a block is mined

583
00:39:28,518 --> 00:39:31,038
or if even

584
00:39:31,038 --> 00:39:32,959
yourself found one, it starts

585
00:39:32,959 --> 00:39:33,419
to blink.

586
00:39:35,098 --> 00:39:36,398
And I was

587
00:39:36,398 --> 00:39:37,858
creating this.

588
00:39:38,858 --> 00:39:40,459
Had different ideas.

589
00:39:41,018 --> 00:39:42,459
I choose one because I

590
00:39:42,459 --> 00:39:43,998
I thought, oh, it's in Vegas.

591
00:39:44,218 --> 00:39:45,658
I do something with a UFO.

592
00:39:47,258 --> 00:39:52,298
I put a UFO on it and a text written.

593
00:39:52,598 --> 00:39:53,959
They came for the hash rate.

594
00:39:54,558 --> 00:39:56,678
Then in the middle is the spit axe.

595
00:39:57,238 --> 00:40:00,818
And, of course, in a desert with two cactus.

596
00:40:01,698 --> 00:40:03,858
And the name was Area 21.

597
00:40:05,118 --> 00:40:06,678
And I had really no idea.

598
00:40:06,798 --> 00:40:07,578
I had no idea.

599
00:40:07,578 --> 00:40:15,959
And so if the listeners were in Vegas and saw the decoration, it was the same, literally the same name.

600
00:40:16,498 --> 00:40:21,598
And when you looked from one side and took a picture and held it next to the artwork, it was the same.

601
00:40:23,578 --> 00:40:25,278
I don't know how it could happen.

602
00:40:25,278 --> 00:40:31,718
I even asked some other Bitcoin friends what text we could use, what ideas they liked the most.

603
00:40:31,919 --> 00:40:33,238
And that's what came out.

604
00:40:33,238 --> 00:40:40,358
so it was not planned me going to wiggas but when i saw this i took the next flight from ireland

605
00:40:40,358 --> 00:40:44,878
to wiggas to see it in real that was amazing

606
00:40:44,878 --> 00:40:54,178
yeah that is a that is quite the coincidence couple couple of big ones right there so you know

607
00:40:54,178 --> 00:40:58,858
it was strange for me it was like really meaningful or it really was

608
00:40:58,858 --> 00:41:02,698
touched me and emotionally touched me that it happened.

609
00:41:03,058 --> 00:41:07,278
But when I told the story to some people at the conference,

610
00:41:08,939 --> 00:41:13,939
they didn't look like so really touched by it like myself, you know.

611
00:41:14,518 --> 00:41:16,538
Just, yeah, it's an artwork. It looks the same.

612
00:41:16,678 --> 00:41:20,038
Okay, maybe she knew it before and just tells the story, you know.

613
00:41:20,959 --> 00:41:22,459
There was not the same feedback.

614
00:41:22,459 --> 00:41:27,078
The artwork at the conference itself became a whole other content

615
00:41:27,078 --> 00:41:30,558
because it's another energy

616
00:41:30,558 --> 00:41:33,358
than...

617
00:41:33,358 --> 00:41:37,959
So you could not remark that it happened.

618
00:41:38,278 --> 00:41:38,818
There was just...

619
00:41:38,818 --> 00:41:39,919
Sargwaj was looking this

620
00:41:39,944 --> 00:41:49,564
yeah so let's talk about another work of art of yours yana and this one we we had shadrach

621
00:41:49,564 --> 00:41:55,444
on the show a couple of weeks back and he was talking about trying to get your art you're a

622
00:41:55,444 --> 00:42:04,524
swiss artist get your art to lugano in switzerland and running into absurd issues uh with transporting

623
00:42:04,524 --> 00:42:13,124
So why don't we start with hearing your perspective on, we heard Shadrach's, but from your perspective, how did that story play out?

624
00:42:15,164 --> 00:42:17,944
Play out means how it happened.

625
00:42:18,364 --> 00:42:18,764
What happened?

626
00:42:19,324 --> 00:42:28,024
Yeah, what happened is the challenge is always the transport of my arteries because they are quite big.

627
00:42:28,024 --> 00:42:31,584
and for

628
00:42:31,584 --> 00:42:33,164
let's say for

629
00:42:33,164 --> 00:42:35,384
international flights

630
00:42:35,384 --> 00:42:36,464
for local flights

631
00:42:36,464 --> 00:42:38,984
airplanes are too small

632
00:42:38,984 --> 00:42:41,324
or FedEx cars

633
00:42:41,324 --> 00:42:42,784
are too small

634
00:42:42,784 --> 00:42:44,144
or it's too expensive

635
00:42:44,144 --> 00:42:46,084
so what I tried

636
00:42:46,084 --> 00:42:46,844
or what we tried

637
00:42:46,844 --> 00:42:49,464
is all by Bitcoin

638
00:42:49,464 --> 00:42:51,864
by the Bitcoin networks

639
00:42:51,864 --> 00:42:53,704
mostly Telegram groups

640
00:42:53,704 --> 00:42:56,004
I organized the transport

641
00:42:56,004 --> 00:42:57,124
from the paintings

642
00:42:57,124 --> 00:42:58,764
from one to the other conference.

643
00:42:59,664 --> 00:43:05,604
It means they came back from Glasgow to Lugano.

644
00:43:06,804 --> 00:43:10,064
This is because if I had them in Switzerland,

645
00:43:10,304 --> 00:43:12,184
we have no problem, you know.

646
00:43:12,364 --> 00:43:15,544
It's because they came back, and they came back over France,

647
00:43:15,544 --> 00:43:19,544
and there was a driver who took them from Paris to Lugano.

648
00:43:22,304 --> 00:43:24,204
And, yeah, the border controls.

649
00:43:25,024 --> 00:43:26,604
Actually, they can be glad.

650
00:43:26,604 --> 00:43:29,524
They make the best money out of my art at the moment.

651
00:43:30,104 --> 00:43:33,244
They earn the best because they make money.

652
00:43:33,884 --> 00:43:40,084
They make just pay because the point was they needed a stamp from the export

653
00:43:40,084 --> 00:43:43,144
because I say they came just back home.

654
00:43:44,704 --> 00:43:49,524
And they asked, so when did you import them to France?

655
00:43:49,564 --> 00:43:52,544
And I could not say, no, we imported them to Glasgow.

656
00:43:52,544 --> 00:43:56,864
So I had no proof.

657
00:43:58,564 --> 00:43:59,624
That's what went wrong.

658
00:43:59,824 --> 00:44:06,444
But anyway, the regulations, I don't understand how really to do it.

659
00:44:07,004 --> 00:44:10,524
Because before you send them, you can make a hundred of calls.

660
00:44:10,684 --> 00:44:14,504
No one really tells you what you have to do.

661
00:44:14,504 --> 00:44:20,204
But as soon as you are in this situation, they know exactly.

662
00:44:20,724 --> 00:44:21,664
And then they tell you.

663
00:44:21,664 --> 00:44:22,864
And it's like too late.

664
00:44:23,004 --> 00:44:23,964
Yeah, thank you.

665
00:44:24,044 --> 00:44:26,364
It's not that I didn't ask before, but thank you.

666
00:44:26,464 --> 00:44:26,984
Now we know.

667
00:44:29,144 --> 00:44:29,664
Finally.

668
00:44:31,424 --> 00:44:35,924
Yeah, they almost stuck in the border controls just to pay.

669
00:44:37,944 --> 00:44:39,764
And they came too late.

670
00:44:41,224 --> 00:44:42,724
It was really stressful.

671
00:44:43,024 --> 00:44:44,084
It was really stressful.

672
00:44:44,684 --> 00:44:51,584
If I hadn't this really emotional engagement with this story,

673
00:44:51,664 --> 00:44:53,504
behind it, it would not be worth it.

674
00:44:54,644 --> 00:44:55,804
And Yenna, which painting

675
00:44:55,804 --> 00:44:56,384
was this?

676
00:44:58,924 --> 00:44:59,744
Not just

677
00:44:59,744 --> 00:45:01,944
one. It was like a package

678
00:45:01,944 --> 00:45:03,044
of paintings.

679
00:45:04,104 --> 00:45:04,204
Like

680
00:45:04,204 --> 00:45:07,024
ten paintings?

681
00:45:08,144 --> 00:45:09,124
Biggers and smallest?

682
00:45:09,744 --> 00:45:12,004
Like almost all that I have.

683
00:45:13,124 --> 00:45:13,724
So

684
00:45:13,724 --> 00:45:14,444
let's

685
00:45:14,444 --> 00:45:17,904
replay the story because

686
00:45:17,904 --> 00:45:19,704
you're an artist.

687
00:45:20,184 --> 00:45:21,304
You're from there.

688
00:45:21,664 --> 00:45:25,004
your paintings went to Glasgow to be displayed,

689
00:45:25,244 --> 00:45:27,164
just to be displayed, not to be told nothing.

690
00:45:27,364 --> 00:45:28,764
Yes, to be displayed, yes.

691
00:45:29,844 --> 00:45:32,784
And then they were being brought back to...

692
00:45:32,784 --> 00:45:35,844
Then they were being brought back by Bitcoiners, yes.

693
00:45:36,884 --> 00:45:39,664
Someone brought them from Paris to Lugano.

694
00:45:40,944 --> 00:45:44,484
He came to the French border

695
00:45:44,484 --> 00:45:47,384
and they called me

696
00:45:47,384 --> 00:45:55,264
and asked if I'm going to display them commercially.

697
00:45:56,264 --> 00:45:57,984
And I said, no, they come back.

698
00:45:58,784 --> 00:46:01,504
So I was, okay, I hope they don't listen now.

699
00:46:01,584 --> 00:46:02,164
I was lying.

700
00:46:06,164 --> 00:46:12,644
And then I had to send them a paper that I just can prove.

701
00:46:12,744 --> 00:46:16,104
They needed a paper to make a stamp on it.

702
00:46:16,104 --> 00:46:18,404
And this was okay then.

703
00:46:18,824 --> 00:46:21,284
Then he came to the Swiss border.

704
00:46:22,744 --> 00:46:29,364
And because his phone did not work, he had the idea where I asked myself,

705
00:46:29,504 --> 00:46:35,644
because that was not the best idea to ask at the border controls for an eSIM card for Switzerland.

706
00:46:35,824 --> 00:46:40,324
And I told him there is a silent link, you know, you know, silent link.

707
00:46:41,404 --> 00:46:42,904
ESIM card for Bitcoin.

708
00:46:42,904 --> 00:46:47,064
and of course they didn't have any

709
00:46:47,064 --> 00:46:49,624
in the border control and as he came back

710
00:46:49,624 --> 00:46:53,184
he told me there was

711
00:46:53,184 --> 00:46:58,664
an officer, I don't know how he said it, one year

712
00:46:58,664 --> 00:47:02,124
from the border control, a guy who just came back from lunch

713
00:47:02,124 --> 00:47:06,264
and he saw the cartons, the package in the car

714
00:47:06,264 --> 00:47:10,244
and he said, what do you transport? And there he had to show

715
00:47:10,244 --> 00:47:15,804
everything and they wanted to validate the paintings that I was dressed.

716
00:47:15,924 --> 00:47:20,744
So I deleted all the posts that I made on social medias that I showed them

717
00:47:20,744 --> 00:47:22,504
officially because I was paranoid.

718
00:47:23,724 --> 00:47:25,284
They're going to find prizes.

719
00:47:27,984 --> 00:47:29,024
Oh, it's remarkable.

720
00:47:29,204 --> 00:47:32,484
They wanted 20% of the whole value.

721
00:47:33,624 --> 00:47:33,764
Yeah.

722
00:47:34,564 --> 00:47:36,004
And this is just odd.

723
00:47:36,004 --> 00:47:40,404
But only because I had no stamp for the import, you know.

724
00:47:40,644 --> 00:47:40,824
Yeah.

725
00:47:43,224 --> 00:47:44,344
Now I know it.

726
00:47:44,624 --> 00:47:48,684
If I export them, I need to tell them,

727
00:47:48,684 --> 00:47:53,724
and then I have to declare a temporary export and give the prices.

728
00:47:54,064 --> 00:47:57,824
And if I come back with everything, it's okay.

729
00:47:58,084 --> 00:47:59,324
Even price doesn't matter.

730
00:47:59,584 --> 00:48:02,744
And if I sell something, I have to pay taxes on the sale.

731
00:48:03,844 --> 00:48:05,204
That's actually the point.

732
00:48:06,004 --> 00:48:11,424
Well, this is the absurdity of fiat world, right?

733
00:48:11,564 --> 00:48:12,724
It's totally absurd.

734
00:48:13,444 --> 00:48:15,444
And they added another bill and another bill.

735
00:48:15,544 --> 00:48:20,864
In the end, it was like much more than Shadrach mentioned in the other podcast.

736
00:48:21,384 --> 00:48:24,944
Just when he said it, the next day came another bill.

737
00:48:25,944 --> 00:48:29,124
We talk about numbers.

738
00:48:29,984 --> 00:48:31,144
Oh, we don't have to.

739
00:48:31,944 --> 00:48:32,744
But it's a lot.

740
00:48:32,744 --> 00:48:33,924
It's a lot.

741
00:48:33,924 --> 00:48:35,184
it's a lot

742
00:48:35,184 --> 00:48:36,984
it can't pay

743
00:48:36,984 --> 00:48:37,784
the art itself

744
00:48:37,784 --> 00:48:38,664
does not pay it

745
00:48:38,664 --> 00:48:39,504
so we

746
00:48:39,504 --> 00:48:40,004
really

747
00:48:40,004 --> 00:48:40,804
need to

748
00:48:40,804 --> 00:48:41,544
find a way

749
00:48:41,544 --> 00:48:44,224
how

750
00:48:44,224 --> 00:48:46,204
how to do

751
00:48:46,204 --> 00:48:46,504
this

752
00:48:46,504 --> 00:48:47,204
and also

753
00:48:47,204 --> 00:48:47,784
where is the

754
00:48:47,784 --> 00:48:48,864
place for the

755
00:48:48,864 --> 00:48:50,624
for the art

756
00:48:50,624 --> 00:48:51,644
at conferences

757
00:48:51,644 --> 00:48:52,724
because I also

758
00:48:52,724 --> 00:48:53,404
realized

759
00:48:53,404 --> 00:48:54,504
there are a lot

760
00:48:54,504 --> 00:48:55,844
of big sponsors

761
00:48:55,844 --> 00:48:56,884
paying for the

762
00:48:56,884 --> 00:48:57,464
visibility

763
00:48:57,464 --> 00:48:59,324
and art is

764
00:48:59,324 --> 00:48:59,704
another

765
00:48:59,704 --> 00:49:00,704
category

766
00:49:00,704 --> 00:49:02,204
you cannot

767
00:49:02,204 --> 00:49:02,944
make us

768
00:49:02,944 --> 00:49:03,784
pay the same

769
00:49:03,784 --> 00:49:11,604
amount because it will never pay out by art itself and um yeah also

770
00:49:11,604 --> 00:49:22,364
stand for this discussion you talk a lot about the culture but where does the culture gets the place

771
00:49:22,364 --> 00:49:26,524
for it you know and we have to to really um

772
00:49:26,524 --> 00:49:32,184
I don't know the expression in English.

773
00:49:32,364 --> 00:49:34,584
Yeah, like the pioneers are charged, you know.

774
00:49:35,184 --> 00:49:35,504
Right.

775
00:49:36,884 --> 00:49:39,804
So I think without this really special meaning,

776
00:49:40,024 --> 00:49:43,864
I would even stop to do it and just paint because I have a nice day.

777
00:49:44,604 --> 00:49:47,584
I don't have to share it when it's such a struggle.

778
00:49:48,144 --> 00:49:53,264
So I look for ways to make it easier to find solutions for the artists

779
00:49:53,264 --> 00:49:56,464
and for the conferences, of course.

780
00:49:56,524 --> 00:49:58,884
or maybe even take them away from conferences.

781
00:49:59,764 --> 00:50:00,344
We'll see.

782
00:50:02,004 --> 00:50:06,504
So, Yenna, let's talk about another piece of yours.

783
00:50:06,864 --> 00:50:08,164
I don't know if there's a recent one.

784
00:50:09,084 --> 00:50:12,804
I suspect it's your latest piece, which is I'll Take Yours True.

785
00:50:12,824 --> 00:50:13,304
There it is.

786
00:50:13,864 --> 00:50:14,944
Right? The Mermaid.

787
00:50:14,944 --> 00:50:18,124
The Mermaid. Yes.

788
00:50:19,544 --> 00:50:20,944
Yeah, talk about that.

789
00:50:20,944 --> 00:50:34,884
it's so sad the listeners can't see it the mermaid it's a funny painting that reminds you how safe

790
00:50:34,884 --> 00:50:42,504
is your kiss or actually it's about fears of losing and all this a little bit

791
00:50:42,504 --> 00:50:50,264
things that can make you nightmares in bitcoin are in this painting but also as a joke

792
00:50:50,264 --> 00:50:59,564
a lot say lost my keys in a boating accident and i just think that okay what

793
00:50:59,564 --> 00:51:05,724
why do we have so much boating accidents so what happened what did they cause

794
00:51:05,724 --> 00:51:14,624
and then i think it could be these mermaids that stack sets from the boating accidents

795
00:51:14,624 --> 00:51:18,544
it's maybe more a mythologic idea

796
00:51:18,544 --> 00:51:22,804
at least the mermaid stands for a mythologic figure

797
00:51:22,804 --> 00:51:24,024
like in all stories

798
00:51:24,024 --> 00:51:30,364
that gets something in promise when it's born

799
00:51:30,364 --> 00:51:32,804
like there is a story where there's a fisherman

800
00:51:32,804 --> 00:51:34,904
who is a pure fisherman

801
00:51:34,904 --> 00:51:37,484
and he goes fishing

802
00:51:37,484 --> 00:51:39,924
and then he is fishing a mermaid

803
00:51:39,924 --> 00:51:49,484
and she gives him a piece of gold in exchange of his youngest child that was just born.

804
00:51:50,404 --> 00:51:55,064
And he took the gold but did not want to give the child because he was afraid, of course.

805
00:51:55,844 --> 00:52:11,031
And these themes that I took into this Bitcoin meme because he then runs away with the child and the mermaid says but you can do what you want Any day it will be mine anyway because it was promised

806
00:52:11,031 --> 00:52:13,891
So I was thinking because we are not limited.

807
00:52:14,511 --> 00:52:16,351
Our lifetime is not limited.

808
00:52:16,751 --> 00:52:20,091
So anyway, our keys will live longer than us.

809
00:52:20,191 --> 00:52:22,851
So she will get them anyway one day.

810
00:52:22,851 --> 00:52:27,231
that's quite the thought

811
00:52:27,231 --> 00:52:28,491
Iana that all

812
00:52:28,491 --> 00:52:31,131
Bitcoin, all 21 million of them

813
00:52:31,131 --> 00:52:32,451
will one day belong to a mermaid

814
00:52:32,451 --> 00:52:35,171
maybe a mermaid

815
00:52:35,171 --> 00:52:36,931
will just be lost

816
00:52:36,931 --> 00:52:39,051
or in the fears

817
00:52:39,051 --> 00:52:39,571
of

818
00:52:39,571 --> 00:52:43,271
it must not be a mermaid, take it as a symbol

819
00:52:43,271 --> 00:52:45,351
well that's

820
00:52:45,351 --> 00:52:47,271
where all the lost Bitcoin go, right?

821
00:52:47,651 --> 00:52:47,891
it goes

822
00:52:47,891 --> 00:52:51,091
of course, it's stacking mermaids

823
00:52:51,091 --> 00:52:51,771
that like

824
00:52:51,771 --> 00:52:54,271
sit in the cold waters like,

825
00:52:54,351 --> 00:52:56,891
and I'll take yours too.

826
00:52:58,791 --> 00:53:01,871
Then they sing and the ship arrives

827
00:53:01,871 --> 00:53:03,091
and they make a storm.

828
00:53:03,231 --> 00:53:04,571
Yeah, of course.

829
00:53:06,491 --> 00:53:07,391
So beware.

830
00:53:08,611 --> 00:53:11,851
Would you hang it in your living room

831
00:53:11,851 --> 00:53:13,911
or maybe for a company

832
00:53:13,911 --> 00:53:17,371
that sends seat phrase protection?

833
00:53:18,631 --> 00:53:19,251
Well, you know,

834
00:53:19,431 --> 00:53:21,031
the way you've described it, Yana,

835
00:53:21,031 --> 00:53:24,891
It's a terrifying painting now that I think about it this way.

836
00:53:25,491 --> 00:53:29,331
If I were to hang it in my living room, I'd look at it and I'd be terrified,

837
00:53:29,451 --> 00:53:31,371
saying, oh my God, all my Bitcoin.

838
00:53:31,731 --> 00:53:32,771
Well, thankfully, I don't have any.

839
00:53:32,831 --> 00:53:36,471
I think the mermaid has it already because I lost mine in a boating accident too.

840
00:53:36,631 --> 00:53:41,051
But just the thought, the average person who has Bitcoin and he stares at that mermaid

841
00:53:41,051 --> 00:53:49,411
with this slow, dawning, terrifying realization that his or her Bitcoin doesn't belong to them.

842
00:53:49,411 --> 00:53:52,011
it eventually will go to the mermaid.

843
00:53:54,411 --> 00:53:55,371
Eventually, yes.

844
00:53:55,391 --> 00:53:55,671
Anyway.

845
00:53:56,651 --> 00:54:00,691
Have you never had a dream that you lost all your Bitcoin

846
00:54:00,691 --> 00:54:02,591
or thought about it?

847
00:54:04,311 --> 00:54:05,191
Well, I already did.

848
00:54:05,431 --> 00:54:06,691
That's what I'm going to tell you.

849
00:54:06,691 --> 00:54:07,791
I don't have this.

850
00:54:10,671 --> 00:54:12,611
I don't want to make people say this.

851
00:54:12,811 --> 00:54:14,491
You need more humor to look at it.

852
00:54:14,591 --> 00:54:17,791
It's more like a joke, but it's also serious, of course.

853
00:54:19,411 --> 00:54:45,631
Yeah. No, that's great. So let's talk about conferences and just the art circuit, the Bitcoin art circuit. You've been, what is it, exhibiting your art for a couple of years now, right at different conferences. What has that journey been like, you know, both as an artist and as a Bitcoiner watching the culture evolve in your time exhibiting your art?

854
00:54:45,631 --> 00:54:54,591
yes so i started when a little bit more than two years

855
00:54:54,591 --> 00:55:00,071
and first i was in local conferences because

856
00:55:00,071 --> 00:55:09,991
i found a little um local groups around me the meetups they do and just wanted to add something

857
00:55:09,991 --> 00:55:12,851
also what I can do

858
00:55:12,851 --> 00:55:14,831
because I

859
00:55:14,831 --> 00:55:16,631
support the

860
00:55:16,631 --> 00:55:18,551
Bitcoin idea of course

861
00:55:18,551 --> 00:55:21,051
and often

862
00:55:21,051 --> 00:55:23,211
I was like the first one to ask

863
00:55:23,211 --> 00:55:25,011
to

864
00:55:25,011 --> 00:55:27,131
add some artworks

865
00:55:27,131 --> 00:55:31,131
now it

866
00:55:31,131 --> 00:55:32,611
developed because it has

867
00:55:32,611 --> 00:55:34,571
a lot more artists

868
00:55:34,571 --> 00:55:38,851
and it's

869
00:55:38,851 --> 00:55:39,931
It's hard to overview.

870
00:55:40,111 --> 00:55:41,591
It happens so fast, changing.

871
00:55:42,591 --> 00:55:45,011
Some things work, others not.

872
00:55:46,411 --> 00:55:49,011
It's pretty wide to describe.

873
00:55:52,291 --> 00:55:54,911
And I see some galleries.

874
00:55:57,211 --> 00:55:59,891
Let me also help to organize.

875
00:56:00,451 --> 00:56:04,091
When it's smaller, I can do something myself and add something.

876
00:56:05,631 --> 00:56:06,591
This is cool.

877
00:56:06,591 --> 00:56:09,731
and bigger becomes there is more structure in it.

878
00:56:09,731 --> 00:56:16,531
And for my experience to make the art, it goes more and more ways.

879
00:56:16,871 --> 00:56:23,411
So it can be also, I need time to recover as artist from the conferences,

880
00:56:23,591 --> 00:56:27,071
but as a person, I love it because it brings the connections

881
00:56:27,071 --> 00:56:32,911
and all the new projects I work on with other Bitcoiners and with my story.

882
00:56:32,911 --> 00:56:40,191
I also create a reaction in the person who listens.

883
00:56:40,531 --> 00:56:44,711
And for me, it's like an orange peeling test.

884
00:56:44,831 --> 00:56:50,671
And then I can see with whom I want to work and not how they react on it with someone thinking.

885
00:56:52,871 --> 00:56:54,071
It's really different.

886
00:56:54,971 --> 00:56:56,631
It can be super cool.

887
00:56:56,731 --> 00:56:59,111
It can be horrible when someone steals me an artwork.

888
00:56:59,111 --> 00:57:04,191
but I also come in contact with the projects I want to work for.

889
00:57:04,671 --> 00:57:05,471
It has both.

890
00:57:08,511 --> 00:57:12,511
Was there any conference in the last two years

891
00:57:12,511 --> 00:57:15,691
where you had a moment,

892
00:57:15,991 --> 00:57:18,371
you were looking at the Bitcoin art on display saying,

893
00:57:18,371 --> 00:57:20,711
wow, this is finally real, right?

894
00:57:20,791 --> 00:57:22,991
This is no longer a concept.

895
00:57:23,351 --> 00:57:24,911
Bitcoin art is a real thing.

896
00:57:24,911 --> 00:57:30,471
I'm not sure if I understand the question

897
00:57:30,471 --> 00:57:32,351
can you say it in other words?

898
00:57:33,071 --> 00:57:33,371
Sure

899
00:57:33,371 --> 00:57:36,731
you know

900
00:57:36,731 --> 00:57:39,451
maybe two, three years ago

901
00:57:39,451 --> 00:57:41,191
if someone said Bitcoin art

902
00:57:41,191 --> 00:57:44,011
it almost sounded like a fictitious idea

903
00:57:44,011 --> 00:57:44,711
right

904
00:57:44,711 --> 00:57:47,591
but in those last two, three years

905
00:57:47,591 --> 00:57:48,771
we've seen so many

906
00:57:48,771 --> 00:57:51,711
art galleries attached to conferences

907
00:57:51,711 --> 00:57:55,411
and people displaying their artworks.

908
00:57:55,411 --> 00:57:58,351
Actually, maybe in the last three, four years, I would say, right?

909
00:57:58,751 --> 00:58:01,871
So in your travels, as you've been going to these galleries

910
00:58:01,871 --> 00:58:03,151
and these conferences,

911
00:58:04,491 --> 00:58:08,851
did you feel that this concept of Bitcoin art

912
00:58:08,851 --> 00:58:14,891
has moved from almost this fictitious concept to real, right?

913
00:58:15,311 --> 00:58:19,851
There are actually many artists who are displaying physical artworks

914
00:58:19,851 --> 00:58:22,231
at these conferences and this is an actual movement?

915
00:58:24,691 --> 00:58:26,311
Okay, very interesting question.

916
00:58:26,471 --> 00:58:30,391
I have to think more about it to really answer on it.

917
00:58:31,651 --> 00:58:34,091
To be honest, I don't know what to say right now.

918
00:58:36,151 --> 00:58:38,251
Yeah, we can come back to this.

919
00:58:39,091 --> 00:58:39,911
You know, why don't we talk?

920
00:58:41,131 --> 00:58:42,771
I think you'd mentioned to me, Yana,

921
00:58:43,131 --> 00:58:46,671
about the art panel at Paradigm Bitcoin

922
00:58:46,671 --> 00:58:50,951
and something about laser eyes being illegal.

923
00:58:51,871 --> 00:58:53,751
So what is that story?

924
00:58:55,471 --> 00:58:59,791
Laser eyes can be illegal in Fiat Clown World, yes.

925
00:59:01,231 --> 00:59:05,151
Because this Bitcoin story that I have,

926
00:59:05,231 --> 00:59:07,771
this orange peeling story to me looks so exciting.

927
00:59:07,771 --> 00:59:12,751
I wanted to get to tell it to the people on a conference.

928
00:59:12,751 --> 00:59:22,351
I started to work with them, the Paradigma Bitcoin conference in French Switzerland.

929
00:59:23,891 --> 00:59:31,531
And they rented a really, really beautiful theater in a Jugendstil.

930
00:59:31,931 --> 00:59:33,551
How do you say Jugendstil in English?

931
00:59:35,911 --> 00:59:37,031
Art Deco.

932
00:59:37,031 --> 00:59:46,390
so my idea was I'm gonna tell this story on stage with a little show effects and my idea was that it

933
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:53,591
was like a the painting would talk would tell the story itself and there should be a moment where

934
00:59:53,591 --> 01:00:01,691
in the story I come into this house and there should be then laser pointers pointing on the

935
01:00:01,691 --> 01:00:09,291
painting that she gets laser eyes the woman on the painting you know what i mean and then the

936
01:00:09,291 --> 01:00:19,211
technique guys should like on the right moment and we had a sign um put these lasers on the painting

937
01:00:19,211 --> 01:00:26,311
but because it was really a big distance and the construction was a little bit improvised

938
01:00:26,311 --> 01:00:31,231
it turned out that these lasers were not on the ice

939
01:00:31,231 --> 01:00:39,331
but it was maybe like it looked like laser nipples or something

940
01:00:39,331 --> 01:00:46,471
like reacted not the way I expected and I looked back and I see it went totally wrong

941
01:00:46,471 --> 01:00:50,011
and I think they even did not understand what I wanted to tell them

942
01:00:50,011 --> 01:00:54,651
so in this point went totally wrong

943
01:00:54,651 --> 01:00:56,471
but I was happy to

944
01:00:56,471 --> 01:00:58,631
they gave me the chance

945
01:00:58,631 --> 01:01:00,551
to make a panel

946
01:01:00,551 --> 01:01:02,271
and

947
01:01:02,271 --> 01:01:05,331
I think most of people said

948
01:01:05,331 --> 01:01:08,511
yeah but we did not get what you wanted to tell us

949
01:01:08,511 --> 01:01:11,331
and then after the conference

950
01:01:11,331 --> 01:01:12,351
there was a

951
01:01:12,351 --> 01:01:13,771
concert

952
01:01:13,771 --> 01:01:16,751
and as a hazard

953
01:01:16,751 --> 01:01:18,611
I saw a friend of mine

954
01:01:18,611 --> 01:01:19,431
who said

955
01:01:20,011 --> 01:01:28,071
tattoo client from me and i told him the whole story that it went like wrong with his lasers and

956
01:01:28,071 --> 01:01:38,671
what i forgot is that this guy was by hazard the technique guy of the biggest theater in geneva

957
01:01:38,671 --> 01:01:47,871
that's his job wow and his answer on my on my story that oh i had some lasers in a theater

958
01:01:47,871 --> 01:01:49,471
and they didn't work out.

959
01:01:50,571 --> 01:01:53,251
He like took a card out of his pocket,

960
01:01:53,791 --> 01:01:55,851
like in a size of a credit card,

961
01:01:55,971 --> 01:01:58,011
and held it in front of my head.

962
01:01:58,451 --> 01:02:01,131
And I was like, what's that card?

963
01:02:01,411 --> 01:02:02,231
And then he said,

964
01:02:02,771 --> 01:02:05,591
do you know that laser pointers are illegal

965
01:02:05,591 --> 01:02:07,831
because you need a permission?

966
01:02:08,811 --> 01:02:09,991
Once in a lifetime,

967
01:02:10,171 --> 01:02:13,131
you pay like a thousand Swiss francs or something,

968
01:02:13,131 --> 01:02:17,071
and then you have a permission officially to install lasers.

969
01:02:17,071 --> 01:02:22,951
And if you use them with public, you need even a permission to install them.

970
01:02:23,051 --> 01:02:32,797
And you have to tell them how you install it and in what direction and how long you use them and for what And then he said and I the controller

971
01:02:37,497 --> 01:02:39,437
You can imagine this guy.

972
01:02:39,957 --> 01:02:43,277
He's really punky.

973
01:02:43,417 --> 01:02:46,217
And then he told me, you know, I don't care about it,

974
01:02:46,217 --> 01:02:50,757
but I have this card because then I can go to concerts and don't pay

975
01:02:50,757 --> 01:02:54,517
and can stand in front of it because I have to control the lasers.

976
01:02:54,917 --> 01:02:58,597
so he told me

977
01:02:58,597 --> 01:03:03,037
why didn't I tell it to the wrong person

978
01:03:03,037 --> 01:03:06,357
looks like some years ago

979
01:03:06,357 --> 01:03:08,157
some young German

980
01:03:08,157 --> 01:03:10,357
just random dudes were playing

981
01:03:10,357 --> 01:03:11,957
around with laser pointers

982
01:03:11,957 --> 01:03:12,957
and there were some

983
01:03:12,957 --> 01:03:15,857
literally some airplanes

984
01:03:15,857 --> 01:03:17,877
getting disturbed by it

985
01:03:17,877 --> 01:03:19,717
and since then you have this regulation

986
01:03:19,717 --> 01:03:21,737
that you need permission

987
01:03:21,737 --> 01:03:24,177
and you pay for it for laser

988
01:03:24,177 --> 01:03:25,997
laser eyes

989
01:03:25,997 --> 01:03:26,837
in fact

990
01:03:26,837 --> 01:03:29,977
well you heard it here

991
01:03:29,977 --> 01:03:31,017
first folks

992
01:03:31,017 --> 01:03:34,277
there are parts of the world where laser eyes

993
01:03:34,277 --> 01:03:35,257
are in the middle

994
01:03:35,257 --> 01:03:37,717
yes

995
01:03:37,717 --> 01:03:39,957
it's true

996
01:03:39,957 --> 01:03:42,077
yeah

997
01:03:42,077 --> 01:03:44,317
but the controller is not serious about it

998
01:03:44,317 --> 01:03:46,497
they just want to go to free concerts

999
01:03:46,497 --> 01:03:48,317
right

1000
01:03:48,317 --> 01:03:50,117
so

1001
01:03:50,117 --> 01:03:51,817
Jena what

1002
01:03:51,817 --> 01:03:59,197
What role do you think Bitcoin art plays in onboarding people,

1003
01:03:59,377 --> 01:04:01,637
you know, growing this movement, right, driving adoption?

1004
01:04:02,077 --> 01:04:03,437
And I don't just mean technically,

1005
01:04:03,757 --> 01:04:07,397
but at an emotional or potentially even spiritual level.

1006
01:04:11,337 --> 01:04:16,297
I think this really for each one has so much his personal story.

1007
01:04:17,077 --> 01:04:20,037
Some people like more to read,

1008
01:04:20,037 --> 01:04:24,217
It's other like more to look at the painting, but it depends.

1009
01:04:24,217 --> 01:04:29,477
If we show them only on conferences where they already are orange peeled to people,

1010
01:04:31,617 --> 01:04:36,357
makes no difference, no.

1011
01:04:36,917 --> 01:04:45,297
But for me, to share Bitcoin content in a painting is like a lovely way for me

1012
01:04:45,297 --> 01:04:48,797
when I try to talk to people about Bitcoin.

1013
01:04:50,037 --> 01:04:52,237
I feel like rejected.

1014
01:04:52,937 --> 01:04:55,217
And then I think maybe I'm not good in explaining.

1015
01:04:59,157 --> 01:05:01,357
But it's not only explaining,

1016
01:05:01,477 --> 01:05:04,157
maybe it's more to give support

1017
01:05:04,157 --> 01:05:08,217
for those who already know about it.

1018
01:05:10,537 --> 01:05:13,817
But the spiritual aspect is really important

1019
01:05:13,817 --> 01:05:16,597
because the question is also how you connect

1020
01:05:16,597 --> 01:05:22,917
this really pragmatic, pragmatical, mathematical Bitcoin theme,

1021
01:05:23,037 --> 01:05:24,577
the protocol, the numbers,

1022
01:05:25,217 --> 01:05:33,237
with creativity and a philosophical meaning

1023
01:05:33,237 --> 01:05:36,197
and spiritual way of living.

1024
01:05:37,797 --> 01:05:39,917
Here is my English, not so good.

1025
01:05:39,917 --> 01:05:46,557
I could better tell you in French or German.

1026
01:05:46,597 --> 01:05:53,617
I love to question. I can't tell what I am all thinking because of the language barrier right now.

1027
01:05:54,117 --> 01:05:57,817
Yeah, no, no, all good, Anna. I think that makes sense.

1028
01:05:59,457 --> 01:06:06,837
And unfortunately, if you did explain it in French or German, I and a lot of our listeners might not be able to understand.

1029
01:06:06,837 --> 01:06:11,477
I wish it could give a great support

1030
01:06:11,477 --> 01:06:14,097
but I ask myself

1031
01:06:14,097 --> 01:06:16,837
actually where is the place to share it

1032
01:06:16,837 --> 01:06:19,177
or it's also devastating

1033
01:06:19,177 --> 01:06:21,877
if so much people go to the conferences

1034
01:06:21,877 --> 01:06:24,477
so less buy the artworks

1035
01:06:24,477 --> 01:06:29,137
maybe I just don't want to answer

1036
01:06:29,137 --> 01:06:30,997
because I have a little bit

1037
01:06:30,997 --> 01:06:33,657
negative perspective on it

1038
01:06:33,657 --> 01:06:34,937
we need sponsors

1039
01:06:34,937 --> 01:06:36,637
we cannot leave from it

1040
01:06:36,637 --> 01:06:39,637
It's not a business that you can make out of it.

1041
01:06:39,697 --> 01:06:41,417
It does not fix on the models.

1042
01:06:42,097 --> 01:06:45,697
Even to have it presented on social media.

1043
01:06:46,297 --> 01:06:48,517
It's something else like the art.

1044
01:06:48,657 --> 01:06:51,377
You have to do another job on top of it.

1045
01:06:51,517 --> 01:06:52,917
And I just stopped that.

1046
01:06:52,917 --> 01:06:57,177
I took the pressure out of my talents to monetize it.

1047
01:06:58,317 --> 01:07:02,177
And maybe I'm just more interested for each one personally

1048
01:07:02,177 --> 01:07:03,997
how he can live this in his life.

1049
01:07:03,997 --> 01:07:06,977
and if we can show an example

1050
01:07:06,977 --> 01:07:09,177
but actually

1051
01:07:09,177 --> 01:07:11,557
a lot about thinking about

1052
01:07:11,557 --> 01:07:12,837
what's the meaning also

1053
01:07:12,837 --> 01:07:15,697
if before in fiat world

1054
01:07:15,697 --> 01:07:17,537
artworks got by it

1055
01:07:17,537 --> 01:07:18,817
as a story of value

1056
01:07:18,817 --> 01:07:20,717
and in Bitcoin not

1057
01:07:20,717 --> 01:07:23,737
I did not really understand

1058
01:07:23,737 --> 01:07:25,617
yet what on

1059
01:07:25,617 --> 01:07:27,557
more generations it will mean

1060
01:07:27,557 --> 01:07:29,497
to buy a Bitcoin artwork early

1061
01:07:29,497 --> 01:07:31,697
because you know the price

1062
01:07:31,697 --> 01:07:33,557
will not be

1063
01:07:33,557 --> 01:07:39,017
worth it as jack maler said on stage in madeira his biggest mistake was to buy an artwork four

1064
01:07:39,017 --> 01:07:46,117
years ago for one bitcoin so why is it right it's it's a difficult question we cannot know

1065
01:07:46,117 --> 01:07:52,517
on the top i don't know really what i do actually also this uh how do you think about it

1066
01:07:52,517 --> 01:08:01,257
yeah i think this is a tough one right um i certainly am not a fan of thinking about art

1067
01:08:01,257 --> 01:08:02,437
as a store of value.

1068
01:08:03,057 --> 01:08:04,957
I think, you know, I talked about it

1069
01:08:04,957 --> 01:08:07,317
in my opening monologue in the sermon.

1070
01:08:08,537 --> 01:08:14,917
Art to me is a self-contained entity, right?

1071
01:08:14,997 --> 01:08:17,057
It's the pursuit of beauty in and of itself.

1072
01:08:17,917 --> 01:08:21,517
And the reason people have been using art

1073
01:08:21,517 --> 01:08:23,117
as a store of value

1074
01:08:23,117 --> 01:08:24,917
or even thinking about it along those lines

1075
01:08:24,917 --> 01:08:26,197
is because our money is broken.

1076
01:08:26,337 --> 01:08:27,537
So when money is broken,

1077
01:08:28,417 --> 01:08:30,897
you find the closest thing

1078
01:08:30,897 --> 01:08:32,777
you can find to make it money, like

1079
01:08:32,777 --> 01:08:34,657
a piece of land or

1080
01:08:34,657 --> 01:08:36,957
potentially a work. And artists do art

1081
01:08:36,957 --> 01:08:38,297
because their heart is broken.

1082
01:08:38,977 --> 01:08:40,717
Something like that. Right.

1083
01:08:41,357 --> 01:08:42,897
But let me ask you this,

1084
01:08:43,597 --> 01:08:44,677
Yana, about...

1085
01:08:44,677 --> 01:08:46,917
Yeah, but imagine when also, when it means

1086
01:08:46,917 --> 01:08:48,537
that also the AI and B fan

1087
01:08:48,537 --> 01:08:50,917
and then makes that we have all more

1088
01:08:50,917 --> 01:08:53,117
free time and to find out what we want,

1089
01:08:53,257 --> 01:08:55,017
a lot of more people will do

1090
01:08:55,017 --> 01:08:56,817
art and it will change

1091
01:08:56,817 --> 01:08:57,537
also the

1092
01:08:57,537 --> 01:09:00,877
way of art in the

1093
01:09:00,897 --> 01:09:02,777
society

1094
01:09:02,777 --> 01:09:03,597
what it

1095
01:09:03,597 --> 01:09:06,757
place it is.

1096
01:09:07,217 --> 01:09:09,237
I'm just curious to discover

1097
01:09:09,237 --> 01:09:10,757
I can have any idea to

1098
01:09:10,757 --> 01:09:12,897
do in advance.

1099
01:09:13,717 --> 01:09:15,037
I'm looking forward to that

1100
01:09:15,037 --> 01:09:16,977
world too, Yenna, where AI

1101
01:09:16,977 --> 01:09:19,117
does all the boring

1102
01:09:19,117 --> 01:09:21,177
things so that we can focus on

1103
01:09:21,177 --> 01:09:23,157
poetry and art. Right now

1104
01:09:23,157 --> 01:09:25,357
what I'm seeing is AI is making poetry

1105
01:09:25,357 --> 01:09:27,397
and art, terrible stuff, but it's still doing

1106
01:09:27,397 --> 01:09:28,997
it and humans are doing the

1107
01:09:28,997 --> 01:09:36,777
boring work so i'm waiting for that yeah the flippening yeah what i would love to to see also

1108
01:09:36,777 --> 01:09:42,237
is that you know for me it was really struggle because you know i told you i had my tattoo shop

1109
01:09:42,237 --> 01:09:52,117
and i live from my art since years and but finally for me was also the changing point of bitcoin was

1110
01:09:52,117 --> 01:09:58,037
that I understood that I can take out the pressure really

1111
01:09:58,037 --> 01:10:03,597
to give the sense in it, the value only comes from it

1112
01:10:03,597 --> 01:10:05,477
when I can sell it and live from it

1113
01:10:05,477 --> 01:10:11,837
because this pressure is making that also my brain is blocked,

1114
01:10:11,977 --> 01:10:17,417
but I cannot really do what would be the best that I can imagine

1115
01:10:17,417 --> 01:10:20,817
that I can do and no one else that I can give to the world.

1116
01:10:20,817 --> 01:10:26,957
But as soon as you have more time for yourself, you come to think about it, each one.

1117
01:10:27,577 --> 01:10:30,757
And that's also what we love about Bitcoin now.

1118
01:10:31,757 --> 01:10:34,857
But still, these two worlds for me totally collide.

1119
01:10:35,177 --> 01:10:38,297
In fiat world, I smash it against the wall.

1120
01:10:38,817 --> 01:10:42,157
And in Bitcoin Arch, you call me a pioneer.

1121
01:10:42,717 --> 01:10:46,717
Some days I cannot yet bring it together, all this.

1122
01:10:46,717 --> 01:10:53,637
let's talk about your plans for 2026

1123
01:10:53,637 --> 01:10:56,417
I have a feeling you have big plans

1124
01:10:56,417 --> 01:10:57,237
is that correct?

1125
01:10:59,337 --> 01:11:00,497
still this year

1126
01:11:00,497 --> 01:11:02,037
I have more plans

1127
01:11:02,037 --> 01:11:04,397
I heard you go to Manchester

1128
01:11:04,397 --> 01:11:07,577
I will be there in a week, yes

1129
01:11:07,577 --> 01:11:10,917
yes, when you're in Manchester

1130
01:11:10,917 --> 01:11:12,837
I'm in Ansi in France

1131
01:11:12,837 --> 01:11:14,657
at the only conference

1132
01:11:14,657 --> 01:11:18,257
with some other artists also.

1133
01:11:18,717 --> 01:11:21,497
But I met the organizer, what's his name again,

1134
01:11:21,637 --> 01:11:25,557
from Manchester in Glasgow, and I could be there,

1135
01:11:25,617 --> 01:11:26,837
but it's the same date.

1136
01:11:28,837 --> 01:11:32,157
So I'm really sad I cannot come if you see him say hello.

1137
01:11:32,897 --> 01:11:34,217
Which one?

1138
01:11:34,217 --> 01:11:37,137
There are a few, yeah, nice date of one day.

1139
01:11:38,817 --> 01:11:41,257
What was his name?

1140
01:11:41,477 --> 01:11:43,197
I should have looked up before.

1141
01:11:44,657 --> 01:11:47,197
I don't know if I remember his name.

1142
01:11:47,457 --> 01:11:47,717
All right.

1143
01:11:47,777 --> 01:11:49,117
Well, I'll tell them when I see them.

1144
01:11:51,137 --> 01:11:51,617
Yes.

1145
01:11:51,917 --> 01:11:53,317
And so I'll be in France.

1146
01:11:53,437 --> 01:11:56,737
This is the third time now at the B-Only conference.

1147
01:11:56,877 --> 01:11:58,037
A really nice team.

1148
01:11:59,497 --> 01:12:02,317
A really great conference for all the French speakers.

1149
01:12:04,337 --> 01:12:07,337
And then will be the Bitcoin Baden in December.

1150
01:12:10,197 --> 01:12:11,937
Next year, there are so many plans.

1151
01:12:11,937 --> 01:12:13,397
I have to make my schedule.

1152
01:12:13,397 --> 01:12:17,357
but a lot of conferences repeat.

1153
01:12:18,657 --> 01:12:23,617
That may become some new, but I have not planned yet.

1154
01:12:23,717 --> 01:12:25,897
I have planned till December and then let's see.

1155
01:12:27,437 --> 01:12:33,457
What about projects and artworks for 2026?

1156
01:12:37,137 --> 01:12:40,377
Right now, looking more for the structure,

1157
01:12:40,377 --> 01:13:00,743
how to present them because we need really solutions for how to transport them how to finance it how to show them That is more now in my mind that really be inspired for painting

1158
01:13:00,883 --> 01:13:06,183
I have one that I'm working on it right now that is in my mind since longer time.

1159
01:13:07,003 --> 01:13:10,003
And then I will see when it's finished.

1160
01:13:11,663 --> 01:13:18,143
But the organization around how to transport the art between conferences,

1161
01:13:18,143 --> 01:13:20,843
if you have an exposition every month or every two months,

1162
01:13:20,963 --> 01:13:22,583
they are always on the road.

1163
01:13:24,863 --> 01:13:25,983
Maybe I'll be more

1164
01:13:25,983 --> 01:13:31,123
occupied by organizing this, I'm afraid.

1165
01:13:32,603 --> 01:13:34,303
Well, you talk about transportation

1166
01:13:34,303 --> 01:13:37,843
and we talked about Shadrach and A2B.

1167
01:13:38,063 --> 01:13:40,643
What is your involvement in A2B?

1168
01:13:42,583 --> 01:13:43,723
A2B, yes.

1169
01:13:43,723 --> 01:13:48,663
This was an idea that I had on the road to a conference.

1170
01:13:49,283 --> 01:13:52,443
It was Lugano last year, no, two years ago.

1171
01:13:54,583 --> 01:14:00,663
Because I always asked in telegram groups of the Bitcoiners that anyway go to the conferences

1172
01:14:00,663 --> 01:14:03,243
if they can help me find the transport.

1173
01:14:04,843 --> 01:14:11,463
And there were some, I mentioned before, Belgian Bitcoin friends picking me up in Switzerland

1174
01:14:11,463 --> 01:14:13,403
And you go to Lugano.

1175
01:14:13,883 --> 01:14:22,263
And on the way, in the Gotthard tunnel precisely, I just had the idea,

1176
01:14:22,783 --> 01:14:26,583
hey, there should be a webpage where I can have a map.

1177
01:14:26,583 --> 01:14:28,243
And I say, I'm here.

1178
01:14:28,523 --> 01:14:32,883
I have this box to transport.

1179
01:14:33,123 --> 01:14:34,183
And I want to go there.

1180
01:14:34,343 --> 01:14:35,523
And someone else can look.

1181
01:14:35,983 --> 01:14:39,243
And then those guys said, yeah, and this should be a Noster.

1182
01:14:39,243 --> 01:14:41,683
and another said, yeah, and I could program it.

1183
01:14:41,823 --> 01:14:46,483
And I understood the power of the community in this moment.

1184
01:14:47,583 --> 01:14:51,303
But now it's other people that we are realizing the idea.

1185
01:14:51,843 --> 01:14:57,063
Just because I have my position is that I really have the real problem

1186
01:14:57,063 --> 01:14:59,103
that I need the solution for.

1187
01:15:00,523 --> 01:15:01,943
I have a use case.

1188
01:15:02,243 --> 01:15:03,683
I transport art.

1189
01:15:05,263 --> 01:15:08,363
In your case, you just need to get it from point A to point B

1190
01:15:08,363 --> 01:15:11,443
without paying these absurd fees.

1191
01:15:11,443 --> 01:15:13,543
That's why I hate to be here from HVM.

1192
01:15:13,763 --> 01:15:14,063
Yes.

1193
01:15:14,863 --> 01:15:16,283
And you don't,

1194
01:15:16,523 --> 01:15:18,143
why should you be paying money

1195
01:15:18,143 --> 01:15:20,783
to transport beauty across the world

1196
01:15:20,783 --> 01:15:21,683
just for display?

1197
01:15:22,103 --> 01:15:23,383
It's not even like you're selling it,

1198
01:15:23,483 --> 01:15:25,543
which even if you were selling it,

1199
01:15:25,583 --> 01:15:26,763
why is it anyone's business?

1200
01:15:27,443 --> 01:15:29,443
What you're selling it for is you created it,

1201
01:15:29,463 --> 01:15:30,043
you're selling it,

1202
01:15:30,083 --> 01:15:30,883
why should they take money?

1203
01:15:31,263 --> 01:15:32,003
It's not even that.

1204
01:15:32,083 --> 01:15:32,963
You're not even selling it.

1205
01:15:33,303 --> 01:15:33,863
I don't know,

1206
01:15:33,923 --> 01:15:35,463
because people are not motivated

1207
01:15:35,463 --> 01:15:36,603
if you don't pay them.

1208
01:15:36,923 --> 01:15:38,103
Or it's, I don't know,

1209
01:15:38,103 --> 01:15:41,363
It's more the charges around it that we pay.

1210
01:15:41,583 --> 01:15:44,083
It's not even the thing itself.

1211
01:15:44,583 --> 01:16:02,483
It's more for the rental cars, the whatever, the taxes, the border control payments, the art itself to expose.

1212
01:16:02,643 --> 01:16:04,463
You just hang it on a wall, it's done, you know.

1213
01:16:04,463 --> 01:16:05,143
Mm-hmm.

1214
01:16:06,583 --> 01:16:07,143
Yeah.

1215
01:16:07,523 --> 01:16:08,003
Yes.

1216
01:16:08,103 --> 01:16:10,263
So she's paid more things around it.

1217
01:16:10,443 --> 01:16:16,403
So because if not someone else drives there, then he has also the cost.

1218
01:16:16,403 --> 01:16:22,343
Because it's like in the logic of the heads of the people that we ask.

1219
01:16:24,903 --> 01:16:29,403
And who has time, you know, they all have their fiat shops and I have to make compromises.

1220
01:16:29,883 --> 01:16:35,783
So the art has to arrive a day before the visitors of a conference.

1221
01:16:35,783 --> 01:16:41,623
And so it's not so easy to find someone that wants to pay an extra hotel or, you know.

1222
01:16:42,603 --> 01:16:42,843
Yeah.

1223
01:16:45,403 --> 01:16:46,523
One night more.

1224
01:16:46,943 --> 01:16:47,183
Yeah.

1225
01:16:47,543 --> 01:16:57,443
Well, that's interesting, you know, that A to B, you know, potentially came from an idea you had to solve a very real problem.

1226
01:16:58,723 --> 01:16:59,583
Yes, yes.

1227
01:16:59,583 --> 01:17:05,123
Because it was always, I was in these chat groups and asking all the big ones, can you help me for this?

1228
01:17:05,783 --> 01:17:07,863
And, you know, I can pay.

1229
01:17:08,083 --> 01:17:12,563
And, you know, it was not easy for me also always ask and say that it's hard for me.

1230
01:17:12,743 --> 01:17:17,543
And because I was thinking, like, who's interested in that?

1231
01:17:17,723 --> 01:17:22,363
You know, who should even do it for free?

1232
01:17:22,483 --> 01:17:23,163
I don't know.

1233
01:17:23,723 --> 01:17:29,383
That's one of the really things we turn around to find out.

1234
01:17:30,623 --> 01:17:31,103
Yeah.

1235
01:17:31,103 --> 01:17:34,183
why should it even

1236
01:17:34,183 --> 01:17:36,483
be paid for just showing the art

1237
01:17:36,483 --> 01:17:37,463
I don't know

1238
01:17:37,463 --> 01:17:40,203
well that's

1239
01:17:40,203 --> 01:17:41,143
that's the

1240
01:17:41,143 --> 01:17:43,783
consequences

1241
01:17:43,783 --> 01:17:45,523
that come with it

1242
01:17:45,523 --> 01:17:48,483
the driver needs a place

1243
01:17:48,483 --> 01:17:49,323
to stay

1244
01:17:49,323 --> 01:17:51,423
he needs to

1245
01:17:51,423 --> 01:17:53,863
to make the

1246
01:17:53,863 --> 01:17:55,423
he needs petrol

1247
01:17:55,423 --> 01:17:57,423
you know that's the things

1248
01:17:57,423 --> 01:18:00,483
so yeah

1249
01:18:00,483 --> 01:18:02,063
not someone to organize it.

1250
01:18:03,303 --> 01:18:06,463
Yeah, that's what we build on systems to find the solutions.

1251
01:18:07,023 --> 01:18:07,803
Love it.

1252
01:18:09,163 --> 01:18:14,243
So, Yana, if everything goes perfectly for you in the next few years,

1253
01:18:14,663 --> 01:18:20,023
how would you like people to look back on all of your works?

1254
01:18:20,683 --> 01:18:22,023
Let's say 2030.

1255
01:18:22,543 --> 01:18:26,843
What do you want Lady Block Jane to stand for?

1256
01:18:30,483 --> 01:18:32,843
the artworks.

1257
01:18:33,903 --> 01:18:34,423
Right.

1258
01:18:35,423 --> 01:18:37,203
Let's say everything you want to do,

1259
01:18:37,323 --> 01:18:38,843
you are able to achieve

1260
01:18:38,843 --> 01:18:40,763
from now till 2030.

1261
01:18:41,063 --> 01:18:41,843
Good question.

1262
01:18:42,203 --> 01:18:43,143
So in 2030,

1263
01:18:43,523 --> 01:18:44,723
if people are looking back

1264
01:18:44,723 --> 01:18:46,083
at all of your artworks,

1265
01:18:46,103 --> 01:18:48,023
at Lady Blockjane's artworks,

1266
01:18:48,343 --> 01:18:49,803
what would you like them to

1267
01:18:49,803 --> 01:18:53,903
think that your work represents,

1268
01:18:54,023 --> 01:18:54,963
what it stands for?

1269
01:18:56,703 --> 01:18:58,203
I should say Bitcoin.

1270
01:18:59,203 --> 01:19:00,323
Satoshi, is it you?

1271
01:19:00,483 --> 01:19:09,763
I should think about that

1272
01:19:09,763 --> 01:19:11,623
because I come out of something

1273
01:19:11,623 --> 01:19:12,963
I discover myself

1274
01:19:12,963 --> 01:19:14,983
and it was not a concept

1275
01:19:14,983 --> 01:19:16,323
that I planned that I made

1276
01:19:16,323 --> 01:19:18,623
and I can say I want it stands for this

1277
01:19:18,623 --> 01:19:21,823
it's art

1278
01:19:21,823 --> 01:19:23,643
at the moment it's inspired by Bitcoin

1279
01:19:23,643 --> 01:19:25,123
and of course

1280
01:19:25,123 --> 01:19:27,443
I would love that it would be

1281
01:19:27,443 --> 01:19:29,483
remarked or I think

1282
01:19:29,483 --> 01:19:31,503
maybe if more

1283
01:19:31,503 --> 01:19:33,463
people get involved in Bitcoin and really

1284
01:19:33,463 --> 01:19:35,463
implement it in their life

1285
01:19:35,463 --> 01:19:37,643
and go on Bitcoin standard

1286
01:19:37,643 --> 01:19:39,463
or all in, maybe

1287
01:19:39,463 --> 01:19:41,343
my paintings will be more understood

1288
01:19:41,343 --> 01:19:43,583
than even now. We have

1289
01:19:43,583 --> 01:19:45,503
time. We've got time.

1290
01:19:50,743 --> 01:19:52,843
So for

1291
01:19:52,843 --> 01:19:55,663
listeners who are artists

1292
01:19:55,663 --> 01:19:56,843
or aspiring artists

1293
01:19:56,843 --> 01:19:58,803
in the Bitcoin space,

1294
01:19:58,803 --> 01:20:01,283
what's one piece of advice

1295
01:20:01,283 --> 01:20:05,783
you would give them that you wish someone had given you

1296
01:20:05,783 --> 01:20:07,143
when you were starting out

1297
01:20:07,143 --> 01:20:10,063
an artist

1298
01:20:10,063 --> 01:20:12,643
yes, aspiring artist

1299
01:20:12,643 --> 01:20:14,983
in the Bitcoin space

1300
01:20:14,983 --> 01:20:17,843
what is the one piece of advice you would give them

1301
01:20:17,843 --> 01:20:20,243
which would have helped you

1302
01:20:20,243 --> 01:20:22,383
if someone had given it to you when you were beginning

1303
01:20:22,383 --> 01:20:39,803
yeah to actually maybe i gave the advice to myself sure what would you what is the advice

1304
01:20:39,803 --> 01:20:47,863
like really meets meets the community meets the people do not just wait in your

1305
01:20:47,863 --> 01:20:53,123
shop and add a Bitcoin accepted shield on the door,

1306
01:20:53,703 --> 01:20:54,743
nothing will happen.

1307
01:20:57,603 --> 01:21:02,043
You have to see and go to places and meet the people

1308
01:21:02,043 --> 01:21:05,163
and then share the story.

1309
01:21:05,703 --> 01:21:09,963
There's always someone better or not better than you,

1310
01:21:10,103 --> 01:21:13,823
but the importance is to bring it out and share it.

1311
01:21:14,883 --> 01:21:16,603
But I know it, someone told me.

1312
01:21:16,603 --> 01:21:18,303
someone told me

1313
01:21:18,303 --> 01:21:23,443
that's great

1314
01:21:23,443 --> 01:21:26,563
and so is there anything else

1315
01:21:26,563 --> 01:21:28,303
Yana that we didn't talk about

1316
01:21:28,303 --> 01:21:30,683
any particular work

1317
01:21:30,683 --> 01:21:32,363
or events that you want to

1318
01:21:32,363 --> 01:21:33,423
highlight

1319
01:21:33,423 --> 01:21:39,083
it's okay

1320
01:21:39,083 --> 01:21:41,163
we talked about

1321
01:21:41,163 --> 01:21:43,003
what was in my mind

1322
01:21:43,003 --> 01:21:43,743
to tell you

1323
01:21:43,743 --> 01:21:53,823
and that's fine thank you no that's great so where can where can uh people find your work

1324
01:21:53,823 --> 01:21:59,123
how can they support you maybe buy your work and bring it into their homes

1325
01:21:59,123 --> 01:22:10,563
yes so i'm in a change here i had a project that we started btc for art where i sell my paintings

1326
01:22:10,563 --> 01:22:15,703
but I'm not sure if this project is still running.

1327
01:22:16,503 --> 01:22:20,983
So first, I need the help to make a new webpage maybe

1328
01:22:20,983 --> 01:22:24,123
or a way to present my art

1329
01:22:24,123 --> 01:22:26,923
if someone that wants to help me can help me.

1330
01:22:27,343 --> 01:22:32,503
If not, they can contact me on the social medias,

1331
01:22:33,503 --> 01:22:38,043
Lady Blockchain, I'm on X, I'm on Noster,

1332
01:22:38,043 --> 01:22:40,103
I want Instagram

1333
01:22:40,103 --> 01:22:42,123
and

1334
01:22:42,123 --> 01:22:45,283
yeah I should

1335
01:22:45,283 --> 01:22:46,783
thinking about what's the best way

1336
01:22:46,783 --> 01:22:49,043
maybe the webpage or do we

1337
01:22:49,043 --> 01:22:50,923
do something with the art guild

1338
01:22:50,923 --> 01:22:53,503
with A2B

1339
01:22:53,503 --> 01:22:54,603
we'll see

1340
01:22:54,603 --> 01:22:56,343
I have a meet up next week

1341
01:22:56,343 --> 01:22:58,583
with someone who maybe can help me

1342
01:22:58,583 --> 01:23:00,823
or if some listeners here

1343
01:23:00,823 --> 01:23:02,643
have some solutions

1344
01:23:02,643 --> 01:23:04,743
please

1345
01:23:04,743 --> 01:23:05,863
let me know

1346
01:23:05,863 --> 01:23:09,323
Well, I do see a website, BTC for Art.

1347
01:23:10,623 --> 01:23:12,983
BTC for Art, there are a lot of my paintings.

1348
01:23:13,243 --> 01:23:13,863
Some are missing.

1349
01:23:15,063 --> 01:23:16,943
I have to add the new ones.

1350
01:23:18,383 --> 01:23:19,863
And this is a little bit sad because...

1351
01:23:19,889 --> 01:23:22,249
since Lugano, I was

1352
01:23:22,249 --> 01:23:24,249
stressed out. The border control was

1353
01:23:24,249 --> 01:23:28,249
after my paintings

1354
01:23:28,249 --> 01:23:29,569
I deleted a lot.

1355
01:23:31,229 --> 01:23:32,269
So those

1356
01:23:32,269 --> 01:23:33,749
are really hard to find now.

1357
01:23:35,269 --> 01:23:36,349
They are rare.

1358
01:23:37,209 --> 01:23:37,889
Yeah, I will

1359
01:23:37,889 --> 01:23:39,429
make an effort here.

1360
01:23:40,449 --> 01:23:42,249
So the next year I can

1361
01:23:42,249 --> 01:23:43,809
tell you exactly, they can

1362
01:23:43,809 --> 01:23:45,249
look there and

1363
01:23:45,249 --> 01:23:47,529
they can contact me

1364
01:23:47,529 --> 01:23:49,969
on Lady Blockchain.

1365
01:23:51,829 --> 01:23:54,749
Excellent. Well, I'll have your social links up in the show notes.

1366
01:23:54,869 --> 01:23:59,329
I'll have BTC for Art linked in the show notes and also A to B.

1367
01:24:00,669 --> 01:24:04,049
You can add the Nostro and the A to B link.

1368
01:24:04,769 --> 01:24:07,009
I mean, the X link in the show notes, yeah, of course.

1369
01:24:07,509 --> 01:24:11,149
Yeah, will do. Will do. So, Jenna, I appreciate it.

1370
01:24:11,149 --> 01:24:15,229
If someone's at the conferences and see these little tattoo stickers,

1371
01:24:15,229 --> 01:24:26,264
temporary tattoo stickers This is also my business card Just turn it around and there my link to it Great

1372
01:24:27,484 --> 01:24:28,844
Jenna, appreciate

1373
01:24:28,844 --> 01:24:31,044
you taking the time and sharing

1374
01:24:31,044 --> 01:24:33,124
all these stories and coincidences

1375
01:24:33,124 --> 01:24:34,964
in your journey with

1376
01:24:34,964 --> 01:24:37,244
us. Thank you

1377
01:24:37,244 --> 01:24:38,404
to our listeners.

1378
01:24:38,904 --> 01:24:40,864
I hope you were listening on

1379
01:24:40,864 --> 01:24:42,264
Fountain. If not,

1380
01:24:43,044 --> 01:24:44,804
please do for the next episode.

1381
01:24:44,804 --> 01:24:47,184
And while you're there, hit the subscribe button.

1382
01:24:47,864 --> 01:24:50,284
Your support genuinely helps us.

1383
01:24:51,024 --> 01:24:54,184
For next week, I will be away at BitFest.

1384
01:24:54,504 --> 01:24:55,984
So I will not be on the episode.

1385
01:24:56,104 --> 01:25:00,484
QW comes back from his break, from his brief hiatus.

1386
01:25:01,084 --> 01:25:03,464
In fact, actually, I think it's a hiatus from his hiatus

1387
01:25:03,464 --> 01:25:06,544
before he goes off for a couple of weeks after.

1388
01:25:06,644 --> 01:25:11,104
But he will be back next week for the next episode of LabChain Radio.

1389
01:25:11,104 --> 01:25:13,764
but until next time

1390
01:25:13,764 --> 01:25:15,424
thank you all

1391
01:25:15,424 --> 01:25:17,964
thank you