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Welcome, gentle plebs, to episode number 125 of Pleb Chain Radio.
This is the Lightning Laced Airwaves and today is Friday the 15th of August and it is 1.42pm
on the east coast of the United States at the time of recording.
A slightly different show here for you.
No guests today because of an unfortunate last minute cancellation.
so it will just be QW and myself
prattling on for about an hour or so
Oh, an hour, man?
You got enough to talk about?
We'll see. We'll find out.
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And QW, this is a different show,
so I don't know if you have Culture Corner prepared.
Have you been paying attention to Bitcoin and Nostr culture in the last week?
Part of this show is kind of talking about culture in a way.
And what I've been kind of noticing, obviously, the big meme,
I kind of base culture sometimes just off the meme trends
because it's a week-over-week type of thing.
And it started with American HODL doing a one vlog, video blog.
And then yesterday, Marty Bent joined with a video blog.
So we have two video bloggers.
And here's the caveat.
It's Noster only.
So, Avi, is this going to drive the adoption,
the hyper-gnostrification that we've been all talking about for the years.
It depends on what they talk about, but it might, if it's interesting stuff.
I'm picturing in, let's say, one month time, and this vlog thing really catches on.
You open up your Primal app, Bobby, and you start scrolling,
and it's just a string of dudes with their video cameras just ranting
or telling their life, you know, their diary, their verbal diary.
Just dudes everywhere.
With a verbal diarrhea, more like it.
Yeah, it will be interesting to watch, KW,
if this trend catches on and it somehow drives normies in droves to Noster.
It will be something.
I will say Noshole
that account Noshole
she's been
in Noster for a while
I feel like she was one of the first
kind of vloggers and I don't know if it was
yeah I mean I guess it was basically
vlogging but she
was hilarious it was good
and I
don't think I've seen that on Noster
but then again it's
it's
it's going to be interesting because there's
not a lot of diversity in the pleb culture, what's mainly talked about, uh, what, uh, you know,
the genders, uh, it's just something that it could get redundant and it could get kind of weird.
Like for someone just like, let's say my wife joins now or jumps on her nostril account. She'd
be like, what is this? Just a bunch of guys doing videos. Uh, you know, if, if it's not as bad as
podcasters, uh, you know, uh, uh, what do you, what do you say? It's a split screen of a bunch of
Bitcoiners talking about Bitcoin. What's that phrase you say?
Bitcoiners talking to Bitcoiners about Bitcoin on a Zoom split screen.
Yeah. So it's just going to be another extension of that, I suppose. But we'll see. I mean,
it's good to try stuff new. I think Korn had an interesting post yesterday talking about how
Noster or the clients themselves don't actually compress the video. So if you're watching this,
let's just say you're downloading 300 megabytes per second watching this video of a dude talking.
That's a problem, isn't it? Well, again, it depends on what the dude is talking about.
You don't know. But no, I'm just saying like, you know, if you have your cell phone service and, you know, 300 megabytes is a lot of megabytes and you're just watching it like it's a YouTube video or something and it's not compressed and you have no idea, right?
Yeah.
Maybe it'll push the clients to add more compression.
You know, what might work is if they live stream these vlogs on Zap.Stream, because I believe Zap.Stream does do the transcoding and compression and so on.
Maybe that would work.
But yes, these pre-recorded vlogs, I suspect, will suffer from the fate that you are, or at least the viewers, on limited bandwidth plans might end up paying the price.
And I could say that I might be wrong on this.
I am trusting Cornelorian's research.
He's pretty good at homework.
So I'm assuming that that's absolutely correct.
But maybe there is a client that does compress or something, but who knows.
So yeah, that was happening.
The big launch of Proto, Jack's long-awaited ASIC mining, U.S. manufactured competition to the Bitmain.
So it was something I, for some reason, I thought it was going to be much more like at home miner, something that can be offered to, let's say, me.
I'm staring at both of my bid axes.
I got a Canon Avalon Nano 3S next to me, something that would just kind of decentralize from the pleb state of point, from the pleb state of mind.
But it turned out it was a larger unit.
It's got great efficiency.
It's got all the things you would expect, the maintenance standpoint of it.
You can swap things out in 30 seconds down the road.
It's easy to upgrade.
It's very genius the way it was created, and it makes a lot of sense.
But when it says contact sales for price, then I know it's not for me, man.
Well, I think that is a good move, all set in UnQW, because Bitcoin mining hardware, that's been a big problem, right?
Oh, yeah.
For folks who are concerned about decentralization, backdoors, and so on.
And Bitmain's pulled some bad stuff in the past.
We've had a few shows where we call them the Bit... well, our guests call them the Bitmain Mafia.
Right.
That can never mean a good thing.
And that's on the pool side, but even on the hardware side, it's been a few years now, but they've pulled some bad stuff, withholding information, new developments, them using it first before rolling it out, that kind of stuff.
So I think that was rife for disruption.
So Jack and Proto targeting the B2B market rather than the retail market to start with anyway makes sense.
Maybe they will roll out some kind of Bitaxe type thing as well, targeted more at home users.
But I think it's a smart move.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't know why I assumed it was going to be for me, Avi.
Everything's for me, Avi, you know.
And I was just, it was Christmas morning.
I didn't get the Red Ryder BB gun in, you know.
Someone else did, but that's okay.
I'm happy for them.
Decentralize the chips and let's rock.
Yeah, and I don't know if there's any other trends right now.
That was kind of the big two things.
And, you know, my time's...
One quick thing, QW.
Fountain rolled out their new update.
Now, it was out on TestFlight,
and there are a lot of changes.
They've written a blog post, I think it was released today,
that outlines all the changes.
I'm not going to just go through every single one of them.
Just a couple that stood out was they've switched to Nostra likes,
and that's going to feed into their trending algo on Fountain.
But the most interesting one for me is the Nostra live streams now show up on Fountain.
So I logged in the other day on my test flight,
and I saw Scardust's 24-7 live stream on Fountain.
and it was pretty cool.
I was able to go in, post a few comments from Fountain
that showed up on Zap.stream and elsewhere.
Basically any client that supports the NIF 53.
We're live right now on Fountain.
I see it.
We've been waiting for this.
And yeah, it was like two days ago.
I noticed the Scardust TV 24-7 was on
and you noticed, I guess, the day before.
So that's great.
That's exciting.
We've been waiting for that.
And I think we've, you know, the other thing we've been waiting for is more clients doing the live stream within the app.
But you know what?
Fountain is, there's a reason they're trailblazing.
And it seems like it's, I haven't actually tried to use it.
I did comment on that Scardust.
My zap didn't work, but maybe their wallet isn't configured correctly.
Well, it's probably because it's not configured through Fountain.
But that's something to look at too.
yeah I think there probably is an issue
with the zaps
via fountain
maybe that's I mean I suspect that'll change
once they add Nostra Wallet Connect
but you can certainly post comments
which show up on all of the streams
I'm sending 10 sats
to our show right now
and
zap it zap it zap it pay with lightning
and
there it went so it does
work so that that answers that it just comes down to how they set it up so
awesome and anybody in the audience test out to see if your wallet works are you connected to the fountain oh yeah mine went through as well so maybe something to do with the scar dust um yeah because they set it up on the zap dot stream side uh whereas we are integrated
i don't know i i don't know yeah yeah something to uh talk to lahav about huh yes for sure yeah
Anything else, Avi?
On Culture Corner?
No, and I cut you off, QW.
You were about to say something else when I started talking about Phantom.
I don't know.
We're just rolling with this one today, Avi.
That's right.
I got excited about actually opening up the app and seeing if we're live stream, and it happened.
And it happened.
That's something.
I mean, I can't stress how big that is.
I've been waiting for that one.
I wanted to see our show live via fountain because I'm a fountain enjoyer.
So it's a big day.
For me, it's a big day.
And my Zabwalk too.
It was made up for my proto-rugging that I mentally had.
So thanks to the two Zappers that have zapped our show live right now,
QW and Avi, testing fountain zap and test.
We appreciate your support.
You got a meme or anything?
Anything, any other intro?
A half-assed sermon?
Anything?
I got nothing, man.
You know, these sermons take a while to write.
And it's been that kind of week, QW.
I was looking forward to having our guest on.
And I suspect we will reschedule because it's a great topic.
Unfortunately, they had a last-minute thing come up.
And here we are. We are just two dudes with an acute case of Donning Kruger at it yet again.
Hey, what Italian holiday is it today?
I don't know. The feast of something.
I know in New York City, around this time of year, there's an Italian carnival and it's a feast of some saint or the other.
and it's always great fun
they have these
quickly assembled roundabouts
and what not
and then they have the fried Oreos
and that kind of stuff
which I'm sure would get you shot
if you did that in Italy
but I remember that
I suspect it's something like that
Feast of Some Saint
The Feast of Saint Mark
I think it's a
it could be a woman's saint
if I'm not okay so they're just they're just rocking all the they're just basically any
of the saints they'll have a feast for hey man you you gotta have a feast
it's the middle of summer it's like Americans just looking for reasons to drink
the drinking holidays yeah so hey let's talk about some uh some big things because
I'm super interested in your journey right now, Avi, because you quit your fiat job.
The fiat minds are behind you for now. And tell me, how much time do you really have to make
things happen before you start worrying? Number one. It feels like I have no time these days,
I am busier than I ever have been.
And I'm having the best time of my life
because every single thing I do, I choose to do.
I do these things because I want to do them,
not because someone's telling me to do them,
not because I'm doing it out of a sense of obligation
to fulfill some contract that I had forced myself to sign.
I'm talking about employment contracts, obviously,
which I had forced myself to sign
because I had convinced myself I needed that to support family
or whatever it might be, right?
Ever since I quit my job on July 4th,
I've been, my calendar is full and it doesn't feel like work.
It's incredibly rewarding and it's been a great experience.
And there's a lot going on, QW.
you. I'm working on the sequel to 24. The book's called July 18. And let's stop right there. Let's
talk about that. So did you work on that book before July 4th? I had written maybe
30 pages of that book or 40 pages of that book. And I just crambled some time together between
the beginning of this year and till I quit.
Yeah, let's just call it about 50 pages.
So in that 30 to 50 pages,
how difficult is it to be in that headspace
of the fiat slavery, essentially,
when you're trying to make something,
you're trying to create, have a mindset
where you're essentially building this story.
uh and what what page are you at now 340 and so what was harder the uh 260 or the uh the the 40
before that oh the the the first 40 or 50 were definitely the hardest it would be two or three
pages in in you know i'd find a day or two a week i'd be able to carve out and then write two or
three pages on each of those days. And that was it. And it was hard, man. And here's the other
thing, right? I wrote 24, which is a 400-page book, or a little over 400 pages. I wrote that
when I still had the same fiat job, but the circumstances were a little different.
It wasn't as stressful at that time. You know, it hadn't become toxic.
and then and so I was able to find the headspace obviously not ideal right you say yeah there would
be days when I'd sit down write about 10 pages which is a good day 10 pages is really solid right
it's about three between three and four thousand words a solid three four hour stretch of writing
and I'd be able to do that there would be interruptions obviously I'd have to go
take a call, but I was able to delegate things and wasn't dealing with any fiat toxicity at that
point. My job became way more toxic in the last year, year and a half. So whenever I tried in
writing in January, yeah, I think it was early this year when I began writing the sequel, it was
just, it was impossible. Constantly getting pinged, dealing with some made up crisis or the other.
Um, so yeah, it was really hard to get into the headspace.
And then July 4th happened and I was, I was a free man.
It took me a while to, uh, to realize how free I was before I started writing.
Um, maybe it took me about a week or so, but yeah, but it's been, you know, in the last,
so let's just say in the last month I've written about a solid 260 to 270 pages.
that's that's a lot of hours uh and when you write those uh do you
i think about like doc how he's he he vibe coded his our buddy doc he vibe coded his uh power app
but he got to a point where he rebuilt it got to a point and then rebuilt it uh do you ever when
you're writing in a book, writing a novel, do you get to a chapter, you get to the next one,
you're like, wait a second, I have a better idea and have to actually rewrite, you know,
go back a couple chapters and rebuild the story? I think for me, most of the going back and
rewriting has been, oh, I could have worded that better. So I go back and change the wording. Now,
without giving too much away, right?
For folks who read 24, incredibly convoluted plot
and lots of moving parts.
I think July 18th, the sequel is even more complicated
and convoluted.
And there have been moments when I said,
oh crap, maybe I should,
I've just had a new idea for the plot arc.
but for that I need to change something that happened in the past right in the previous chapter
so that it actually lines up with how this new idea will take off so I've had to do that two or
three times it hasn't been a massive rewrite so anytime I I would say the bulk of the big rewrites
have been I'm writing a new chapter and I'm thinking about uh you know part of my mind
wanders to how I phrased something in the previous chapter I was like ah you know what I could have
set it better and go back and change that. So not, not, not, not a tremendous amount.
Cause I think about like, uh, you know, if you're writing 40 pages in a, let's say a month's time,
you have a lot of time to reflect on that. Um, whereas it is, I, I do, but also, you know,
this plot is like a Rube Goldberg, uh, machine because of the number of moving parts. So I'm
taking great pains to make sure that I don't have to go back and change because if I go
back five steps and I pull one of those little whatever egg beaters or whatever it is out or I'm
drawing the parallel to Rube Goldberg then the whole structure potentially collapses so
I'm trying to be very deliberate and slow and I plan the entire chapter arc out before writing it
I take, you know, map all the scenes, and then within a scene, I have them mapped out in beats.
So I take great care, just because it's so complicated.
If I make a small change in the back, it might, you know, the whole structure might collapse.
So, yeah.
So you're working on something else, and obviously we've touched on it.
And I think he even did a show with Walker.
he got the exclusive I believe
but you talked about
finding a home on that show
but you're on
you're trying to raise money
you're at what 84% now?
It's gone up to 87 or 88
in the last year too
You're closing in on
full funding but not quite there yet
in this
when is this in this episode 3
correct?
The funding is for episode 3
that's right
Right. So talk to me about finding home and where you're at now.
Yeah. Finding home is an idea I had actually two years ago, which is part of it was a,
it wasn't entirely based on this, right? But part of it came from a rebellion against,
and even two years ago, right? The state of Bitcoin podcasting. And actually the joke about
Bitcoin podcasters talking to Bitcoin podcasters
on a Bitcoin podcast about Bitcoin podcasting
right on a Zoom split screen To me that it just it is emblematic of not every single Bitcoin podcast Obviously there are some very good ones but a lot of them
And this is in 2023.
And I said, there's got to be something different.
And look, this is part of the reason why we do an audio-only show.
We don't want to fit into that Zoom split-screen mold that we see so much of.
That's why we don't talk about NGO.
We're trying to avoid that topic as much as we can.
And we don't talk about a lot of topics that are talked about in these replicator, Zoom split screen podcasts.
We focus on culture and so on.
But I wanted to see if there was a way of sort of breaking through that and creating Bitcoin content that was in a completely separate medium.
So one uncompromising thing was it would have to be high quality.
Not YouTube quality. It would have to be Netflix, Apple TV, Amazon Prime, streaming quality.
And there is a distinction.
That's not to say YouTube videos are bad.
There's some really good YouTube stuff.
But you're making that with a very different frame of mind than you are with, let's say, a chef's table on Netflix.
Or an Anthony Bourdain type show.
He predates Netflix.
But that style of show, the production value is front and center there and the storytelling and so on.
So that was one of the motivations.
And I did want to tell stories about Bitcoiners.
Bitcoiners are doing incredible things.
They're leading these incredible lives.
And wouldn't it be nice if the rest of the world was able to hear these stories in a way that was approachable to them?
So that would mean not being lectured about Bitcoin, but listening to stories of people finding home, right?
Expats, immigrants, whatever you want to call them, adapting to a new culture.
What parts of their childhood culture have they brought with them?
The cuisine, the music, whatever it is.
so there are some really compelling stories to tell and there's a there's a nice parallel here
as well just as the expat or the immigrant is searching for a physical home right find and
therefore the name finding home they're also bitcoiners and bitcoiners have this metaphorical
search for a sovereign home oh that bitcoiners are immigrants from fiat and they're looking for
a home in this sovereign and sound money. So I wanted to mirror those two stories and tell them.
And that was the idea two years ago. And then it took a while to get to a point where I was able
to tell myself, you know what, you can just do things, right? Getting outside of my own head,
my own brain, which would keep telling me, well, there's so many reasons why this won't work.
how are you going to raise the money
where are you going to find the right camera person
how are you going to get this edited
who's going to watch it
all the surface level reasons
that the human brain is really good at
coming up with
all the hows and the buts
for why you cannot do something
so it took me a while to step out of that
and say you know what I'm just doing it
because I can do it
and so I filmed the first show
in October of last year
it took a while to get it edited and and so on again this is a shoestring budget right
and I was fully self-funding it so it took a while for that to come out and finally it was
out on IndieHub a few weeks ago we had Zach from IndieHub a couple of weeks back to talk about
you know what that platform is about the in June I filmed the second episode when I was in Prague
that is being edited and is in post-production
by our dear friends Lahav and Noah from Scardust.
Hopefully, we'll release that episode sometime in October,
early October.
That's the hope.
Wow, they're doing it?
They're doing it, yeah.
Noah is quite the editor.
Blockchain radio has been pretty good to you, I'll tell you.
The amount of networking that we've done, just by conversation, you know what I mean?
It's really a beautiful web that gets spun.
Do you feel like you'd have met them if not for this show?
Yeah, I don't know if the relationship would have deepened if he hadn't done the show.
Now, I should give a big shout out to Richard Greaser from The Bugle.
Yeah, yeah.
who was the one who introduced me to this band in the first place.
He did that show with them.
It wasn't part of their regular show.
It was behind the podcast, I think.
Or I think he was doing a music offshoot in the Bugle.
And I happened to listen to that episode, and I said, this is incredible.
It so happened it's my favorite genre of music.
And then hearing Lahav and Noah speak so eloquently,
not just about the music and the video, but about Bitcoin itself,
I was like, I really want these people on my show.
So then having them on the show certainly helped deepen that friendship and that relationship.
And yeah, here we are.
Yeah, that's cool.
And when you say expat, does it have to be out of the country?
At least for season one, QW, that's what I'm thinking.
If I was in the deep south, let's say I was Yowlin and I went to New York City.
It's kind of a big culture change, right?
I feel like it's at a cultural level
That the contrast
And how you kind of create your life
Around being
Basically culture shocked
Right?
Yeah, I think something like that could work
I think that would land a lot better with
An American audience
Which is a lot more familiar with the
Crocodile Dundee
Right
You said
Deep South, Kitabi
So our Prague episode, the Prague episode was with Grafton, a man from Mississippi who has made Prague, who has found home in Prague and in the cypherpunk web of trust that he's creating with a lot of others in that town.
So that's going to be an interesting story as well.
But yes, just going back to your earlier question, I'm certainly open to that.
my only hesitation, especially in season one, is that would certainly resonate with an American
audience, maybe not so much with an international audience who are, who would be unfamiliar,
let's say, with the nuances of, you know, Southern culture versus Northern culture. I might say,
hey, it's just Americans, man. What are you doing? Yeah. I mean, when I moved to Florida,
I was really trying to find home.
And what I mean by that is Sonoran Mexican food.
I couldn't find it anywhere.
And that was my staple, my heart and my soul food.
And I was trying to find Sonoran Mexican food.
That would be the closest to finding home I've ever gotten, Avi.
And did you find it?
Oh, man, it was sad.
It was sad.
It was, yeah, no, no.
I ended up having to fly home to get it.
So there you go.
But no, that's great, man.
So how do you go about, so this, obviously you have connections with episode one and two,
but this is where you're funding, you're getting the funding for your, and where's the third one at?
It's in South America.
It's in Paraguay, in Asuncion.
Yeah, so how do you go about budgeting this?
How do you even know where you're going to go?
Obviously, you find the point of contact, and it kind of starts from there, correct?
Yes.
When I was in Prague filming the episode with Grafton, there was no Paraguay episode, right?
Nothing planned.
I didn't even know it was going to happen.
And then in Prague, I was introduced to this guy who's organizing a Bitcoin conference there.
And he's from the Czech Republic and he's moved to Asuncion and he's made a life of a young guy and really dynamic, doing amazing stuff.
And he wanted someone to talk about Bitcoin and Nostra and he invited me to speak.
And I said, you know what, your story sounds fascinating.
You're a young Czech guy.
You've made Asuncion your home, Asuncion, the capital of Paraguay, and you're building this incredible sort of Bitcoin movement there, along with several others, by the way.
There is quite the scene there.
So I said, you know what, I'd love to do it.
I reached out to a few folks and they said, yeah, we'll be happy to support you.
I reached out to the Angor folks because I wanted to set up a fundraiser.
They were incredibly generous.
And because, I mean, it was a bit of a,
I suppose you could think of it as value for value, QW.
Angora is a new platform.
I, you know, I'm doing this up and coming film series.
So they were happy to feature me.
And obviously I'm happy to be on a platform
where I can raise funding.
And they were generous in being one of the donors.
And then a few other of our Bitcoin friends.
Isn't that called the pleb wheel, Avi?
I suppose it is, yes
Shout out Open Mike
He came through yesterday
With a generous donation
Thank you Open Mike
Ben Howard
A few others
The way I set it up is
Over a certain number
I can't remember the exact number
I'm trying to raise 6 million sats there
For Paraguay
There are some other costs
That are being covered offline
So 6 million sats
which is, you know, about $7,000,
will, believe it or not,
actually covers the whole filming post-production.
Incredibly, we're talking about hundreds of hours
of work here, KW, right?
You know this is the top, though, right now,
the cycle top.
The men are vlogging on Noster,
so that's top signal right there.
Are you worried?
Are you trying to get these sats quicker than,
you know, let's say you wait two or three months,
we could be down to 58K, gang.
Hey, man, one sat equals one sat.
No, but honestly, though, 58K puts me in a really tough spot, QW, because I quit my job thinking that I have a few years, you know, a couple of years of runway.
And that couple of years suddenly becomes six months.
Max bidding, Avi, max bidding.
Yeah.
Hey, here's, you know what, just going back to the fiat job thing.
I saw someone post a meme the other day
but this is exactly my thinking
which is the real risk is not taking a risk
and I'd found myself in that spot
you know early 40s
just incredibly bitter, angry and resentful
with being in the fiat world
feeling like I was trapped
you know we had Brandon Carpelle's
Plebian on talking about this as well right guy you know just the standard almost seems like the standard formula for a male Bitcoiner in their late 30s early 40s
who is in the fiat job.
They just hit this existential wall
and they're like, what am I doing?
I feel like I have to do this to support my family.
I don't want to rug pull my family.
and you create all these walls around yourself.
You live in the cage that you've built for yourself.
And at some point, I reached that point where I said,
the real risk I'm taking here is by not taking a risk
and quitting fiat because I might die of stress or something, right?
Who knows what's, I'm so miserable, I'm so stressed out.
Who the hell knows what this is doing to me?
um but yeah uh so going back to asuncion and paraguay uh so yeah big shout out to
angor for coming through uh with a big donation uh there's another person i don't know if he wants
to be named or not he's going to be the executive producer i can check with him but he's he's he's
by far the biggest donor because he's doing some of the offline uh non-angor uh help as well with
the filmography. So the way it's set up is 2 million sats gets you an executive producer title
on the show. 1 million sats gets you associate producer. And then anything below that is you
get a special thanks in the credit. But yeah, that's kind of where I am with Paraguay. It's
in mid-September. It's going to coincide with the Accelerating Bitcoin Conference.
And yeah. Accelerating Bitcoin Conference. Is that in?
It is in Ascension. Yes. And I'll be speaking at that conference as well.
Oh, nice. Nice. Some other big news happened, Avi. And I just read on MSN this morning
that crypto lobbyists unveil Bitcoin policy think tank
to mark India's independence day.
Did it actually say crypto lobbyists?
And was it actually Amazon?
Yeah, I'm looking at it right now.
I can put it in there.
No, please don't.
This is from a story by Cryptopolitan News.
So I'm sure you've already signed up,
subscribed to Cryptopolitan.
news, Avi.
But there was, you're actually quoted in this.
So all I did was
search
Avi Burra
and India
and Bitcoin. And there it came.
So you're quoted
in this article, Avi.
The point is
you quit your fiat job and now you're
getting quoted in
Cryptopolitan news.
So are you going up or down, Avi?
Cryptopolitan.
I've never heard of this publication.
Maybe they mean cryptography.
Clearly.
Yeah, of course.
They're enthusiasts of elliptic cryptography.
That's where they got the name from.
I will give them the benefit of doubt.
Hey, but the actual cover art is the flag of India and a Bitcoin, an actual Bitcoin.
So a tangible one.
So there's no, if you're just looking based off of that, it's a very direct message.
So talk about the Bitcoin Policy Institute.
Yes.
So just to refresh folks' memory, all for folks who are unaware of this, I was born in India.
I spent my childhood, most of my young adulthood there before moving to the US.
So I am Indian American.
and one of the things,
I've always been curious about Bitcoin adoption in India.
Fiat Live just sucked everything out of me
so the only thing I was able to focus on is this show
and 24 while I was writing it
and that's pretty much it from a Bitcoin standpoint.
A little bit of shit posting on NOSTA every now and again
but nothing beyond that.
once I liberated myself from my fiat job, suddenly I had this vast green field of ideas that I could
either create or existing ideas that I could explore. One of them was the idea of driving
Bitcoin adoption in the country of my birth in India. So pretty much the day or two after I quit,
I started reaching out to folks in the Indian Bitcoin scene to see if there had been any efforts underway in driving Bitcoin adoption, maybe a Bitcoin Policy Institute type idea as well.
And, you know, there are Bitcoin grassroots efforts for Bitcoin education.
there's BitShala and you know if uh in our layer two series QW I've had a couple of interviews
with folks who who are part of BitShala there BitShala is this non-profit organization they've
received grants from HRF and a few other of uh you know the the standard bitcoin donors and they're
doing an amazing job of teaching people about bitcoin about self-custody and so on at a very
very grassroots level. So there was that, and there have been some rumblings about we need to
start educating politicians. There's a lot of stranded energy in India for mining. There's,
you know, a few other areas. Obviously, QWS, as cypherpunks, or at least as people who resonate
with the cypherpunk ethos, both you and I, right, the medium of exchange use cases,
the closest to our hearts.
I suspect I can speak for you when I say that as well.
And I would love to do that.
However, there are some unique challenges,
primarily on the UX front.
You know, our revolution has a bad UX, QW.
Unfortunately, India's existing payment rails
have an incredibly good UX.
If you satisfy the fact that it's on fiat currency
that's getting debased by the day,
the UX itself is remarkable.
You go to a coconut vendor, like a stall,
one of those push carts in a little village
and they have a QR code on the stall.
All you have to do is open up one of your payment apps,
you scan the QR code and boom,
the rupees land in a fraction of a second.
And all of this is possible because of a coordinated
and centralized effort by the government of India
to roll out these APIs as part of what they call the unified payment interface in India, the UPI.
So it is a government initiative to create API standards
so that private companies could then build against those standards.
So you can think of, I don't think there's actually an analogy in the US, right?
I don't see Washington, D.C. rolling out a centralized payment standard
that companies like Stripe and others would build against.
But basically what it is, is it's payment rails, completely centralized, but any private company can build an interface to those rails.
So you can download that private company's app and it's connected to your bank account.
Wherever you see one of these QR codes, you scan them, boom, you know, the payment happens.
So long way of saying the UX is excellent when it comes to payments.
So I think it will be a challenge to introduce Lightning, which arguably has a slightly worse UX just in terms of lag.
You know, there's two or three second lag sometimes in Lightning.
You get the occasional failed payment, right, because it is decentralized.
And it's just hard to get right every single time.
It's way better than Venmo and anything else that we have in the U.S., better than credit cards and so on.
But it's not better than from a UX standpoint.
what exists in India today. So that, while I would love to do that, I think that one
is lowered down in the priority list. And by the way, I want to make a distinction between
priority and importance. Something can be incredibly important from this revolution,
from this culture standpoint. But priority means what is the easiest one we can get over the line
to drive adoption, right?
Just because we prioritize something
ahead of something else
doesn't mean it's any more or less important.
It just means this is probably
the lower hanging fruit to attack.
So it's like Dave Ramsey.
When you pay off your debt,
you take the smallest one first,
the debt snowball.
It's really the priority snowball.
Right, exactly.
So yeah, so I've talked to a whole bunch of folks,
understood the issues that were there,
and then put our heads together and launched the Bitcoin Policy Institute of India.
It was launched yesterday at 2.30 p.m. Eastern time on August 14th,
which seems like a fairly innocuous time.
You know, there was an article in Bitcoin magazine.
A good friend, my good friend Frank Korva wrote that article covering this issue
like a press release type thing.
And 2.30 Eastern time on August 14th
seems fairly innocuous,
but in Indian Standard Time,
it was the stroke of midnight on August 15th,
which is India's Independence Day.
So 78 or 79 years ago on August,
or 78 years ago,
on August 15th at the stroke of midnight
in 1947, India gained its independence from the British Empire. And the first Prime Minister of
India, Jawaharlal Nehru, he got up in Parliament and made a speech, again, at the stroke of midnight,
a very famous speech, probably one of the most famous ones in recent Indian history.
So that symbolic time was chosen to launch the Bitcoin Policy Institute India, right? On the day
India gained its independence, we're launching this effort for India to gain its financial
sovereignty. Independence days are big for you, Avi. That's right. It's been a theme in 2025.
I gained my freedom from fiat and I launched with a few others, the Bitcoin Policy Institute
of India. So just real quick on that, the five pillars that we're going to be targeting
and again these are roughly in order of priority again i should underline priority and not importance
right so the first is a sovereign mining initiative and we're going to work at the
state by state level to come up with ways in which they can convert stranded energy
essentially use that for mining.
And here's a fun fact, QW.
It actually blew my mind when I read this.
The amount of stranded and wasted energy in India,
if that was all diverted into Bitcoin mining
in this halving epoch,
right in the current one that we're in,
it would result in 150,000,
give or take, Bitcoin per year.
That's how much is being left on the table
in this wasted energy.
Which happens to be your project's production goal by 2030.
Right, yes.
150,000.
Per the cryptopolitan.
I need to hear from you, Avi.
I don't know if that's the project's goal, to get that much Bitcoin for ourselves.
It's a non-profit, after all.
No, yeah, of course, no.
The goal is to be able to mobilize as much of this, right, if the TAM, right, if the total addressable market here is 150,000 Bitcoin, by the way, that will drop to 75,000, right, in a couple of years.
And those projections are based off the current hash rate and the price.
I mean, the difficulty, blah, blah, blah, you know.
So it's tough to really be completely, you know, it's the goal.
It's the goal.
It's to lock that in.
Yes, yes.
Even if you did half of that, that'd be incredible, you know.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
It's more about pushing that.
And then the second thing is, you know, this is a BRICS nation, right?
Mm-hmm, that's correct.
Yeah, so, and I don't think there's any other BRICS nations that, you know, I did notice,
I know Russia's part of it.
There was a lot of Bitcoin Google searches.
I saw some statistics where Russia is really high up there.
But I'm trying to think of other states that have countries that have any kind of Bitcoin adoption, really, especially being contrary to the U.S. dollar.
I'm sure there are education initiatives and little cypherpunk holdouts in all of these countries, right?
But yeah, I don't think there's any widespread adoption
or even talk at the government level about taking this up.
There isn't yet in India either, right?
So this is part of that, to get that conversation going
through data-driven research, right?
This is not about dunking on people on X with memes
and fun as that can be.
this is about putting logic data evidence in front of folks saying and and this is why the
mining thing is just is a no-brainer you go you go to a government and say look how much money
you're leaving on the table and they're going to say oh yeah how do we get that so that's again
just to clarify here it's such a litmus test because people are so about being green and then
you have this option to you know stabilize your your power grid by taking excess you know you're
going to even put power back into the grid you can take your waste or your uh your methane or your
and turn that into there's all this stranded energy and it's like we can be producing
i mean economically and also solving a real world problem and it's really a litmus test of
Why aren't you doing it?
Yeah.
And, you know, I'm sure you've heard about Bhutan, Kira Bibi, the little Himalayan nation that's essentially through mining, all their excess hydroelectric power has built up a bit on strategic reserve, which they're using to, I think they paid down a bunch of their debt.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
They've been the secret miners for years.
For years.
So Bhutan is a neighboring country of India.
So there are a couple of states that are right there, very similar geographies, very similar.
I think it might even be the same river that flows through, that creates all the hydroelectric power.
So there are opportunities like that.
There's a major sun belt in the center of the country with potential for solar, right?
I mean, solar has its own issues, but there is that potential, right?
There's a lot of sun there.
so yeah I think mining is one
I do want to clarify one thing Kirabi
which is this Bitcoin Policy Institute
India is a think tank right
so we will not be doing any of these
activities there will not be a product
developed
it's going to be
research, reports
guidance
and education on these topics
yeah
like green peas
Orange piece
One UTXO transaction drains a swimming pool
So sovereign mining is the first pillar we're going to tackle
But it's also going to be policy, advocacy and research
We will start working with both state and federal ministers, regulators, bureaucrats
to start the education process,
conversation around better tax treatment and so on.
So there's that.
There's the Strategic Reserve Initiative.
This is the third pillar,
which is both at the corporate level.
And there is one company that's public in India.
It's called Jet King.
And they're trying to emulate the micro strategy playbook.
But maybe our goal is to come up with a CFO playbook
that's applicable to other such companies
that want to go down the corporate treasury route,
but also to the states and the federal government as well
that might be thinking about a strategic reserve.
I mean, we have states doing it,
or at least attempting to do strategic reserves in the U.S.
Did Arizona's just get vetoed recently, KW?
Yeah, it's a joke. Yeah, it was all a joke.
But, you know, it's similar in thinking, right?
You can have a federal strategic reserve, which is what sort of Besant, Treasury Secretary Besant hinted at yesterday, I think.
And then you can have the state level reserve.
And then you can extend that to private company reserves.
So that's the strategic reserve initiative.
Then just the general education, grassroots efforts, working with the existing folks at Bitshala and others.
right more public-minded education promoting financial literacy and then the last one is
the medium of exchange which is integration with this upi the unified payments interface
which i just mentioned earlier you know these qr codes wouldn't it be nice if he could
now these government apis are not as far as i understand not open source uh why would they be
their government APIs.
But if there was a way in which we could integrate Lightning,
so when you scan the QR code, you get two options.
You say pay with your Fiat app or pay with Lightning.
Wouldn't that be cool if you could do that?
But I think that one, while I think is the big one for me,
from an impact standpoint, from a priority standpoint,
today I suspect it's a non-starter.
I think we need the domino effect of the first four pillars
to fall into place before we can even approach this conversation.
So those are big ideas, Avi.
And it's, do you, how big is the team, I suppose, in the institute?
It so I the only one based in the US Everyone else but there about six or seven in the core team who actually committed time
to building out the assets on the website,
who are going to be working on the report.
So our immediate next step is we're going to put out
a mining report in the next month, let's just say, right?
So they're going to be helping out with that.
There's about six or seven folks.
And then there's a much broader group of advisors and others who have been part of phone calls and who have been adding their input as well.
I mean, that's in the 20s or maybe even up to 30 people.
So think of it as two concentric circles as things stand.
The core group of six or seven folks, myself included, and then the next concentric circle, next layer outside, is the advisors and the people who want this to succeed.
but maybe can't commit as much time as some of the others are.
So between the India series, Layer 2, Club Chain Radio,
and now this, how much are you finding home, Avi?
I'll have to make the show to find out, QW.
I think this show is my journey to find my home.
um so we'll see yeah yeah it's interesting uh and and you know july 4th of july was your
independence day and now you're just hitting on all cylinders uh hopefully this all works out
um yeah if only i can get paid for all of this amazing work that i'm doing you know wouldn't
be nice it's right now it's just these are passion projects which now but but no but jokes aside
I think this is one of the things with Bitcoin.
I wish Bitcoin was at a million and I could have said,
hey, now I am truly, truly, I don't need a job ever in my life.
If Bitcoin stays above a million.
At 100K, it's a big risk that I've taken
and the Bitcoin will run out in the not too distant future.
But it's still fun, man.
It's fun doing this and we'll see how it goes.
How many more projects can you take on right now before you leave me?
So I'll answer the first part of the question.
The second part is I probably have another one or two in me.
Now, it's got to be something that truly, oh, there's Nosfabrica.
Let's not forget Nosfabrica.
My healthcare or NOSTA thing, that's still active and going.
So I've still got that one.
but
yeah I think I still have
two more in the tank
if they do come by, if they resonate
and they're meaningful
wow
that's incredible man
my biggest update
yeah let's talk about you
I started building out
this cabinet around my
refrigerator and I found
out what a
basically
using a, not a table saw, but a, I can't even think of the name of it anymore. But that's,
that's what I'm doing. I got a two and a half year old. I'm trying to do woodworking while he
takes naps, which doesn't work. I'm congregating a community for the Alliance so we can do
BIDACs, you know, solo miners that actually come together and create a community of learning,
having fun. But yeah, I mean, really, I'm just kind of the average Joe right now.
Currently, family business. I'm in the process of kind of migrating to
take it on fully. So there's a lot of hats I wear. And I guess I'm just your blue collar
podcaster right now.
Now, hold on, QW.
So you've been involved
or you've been getting involved quite a bit
on two fronts on the Bitcoin side, right?
And you've been doing a lot of work.
One is on the, let's just call it
the sovereign mining, sovereign hashing,
right, at the individual level.
And then, and then,
and you've been digging in quite a bit
on the privacy side.
So why don't you talk about,
maybe we start with all the work you're doing
on the Bitax and on the Wrigley side.
and then we can move to the privacy.
Yeah, so it all started with one.
I think anybody that gets a bid axe,
it's something that mining has always been out of touch.
It's always been something like,
if I was doing this 10 years ago, it would make sense.
You get an ASIC,
and once they switched over to ASIC mining,
everything's loud, it's hot.
It's not something you would just have at your home
with a toddler sleeping in the next room.
So really what the game changer for me was,
was these silent, you know, 10, 1.2, 1.5 terahash,
just silent little hashers.
But the process of setting it up,
actually choosing your pool,
understanding your, you know, your joules per terahash,
your terahash, the different speeds
or the different hash rates.
It's just really neat to actually learn more about it.
Just like when you first did your first transaction sending to a cold storage wallet, you start to understand, oh, wow, that's neat.
Or you set up your node.
These are all votes in the network, and you can participate in it.
When we look at that 51% attack on Monero, and maybe that was testing or maybe it wasn't a 51% attack.
I don't know.
I've seen multiple different ideas on it.
But the fact that people can sit back and be complacent in a way is very compliant.
So if you're not putting your vote out there in the network using a miner, running a node and choosing your core, nots, or maybe you want to run your own instance of Bitcoin core, these are ways you can participate, but no one does.
They'll just keep their money on Coinbase or they'll just float it around, whatever.
That's not going to protect the network.
That's not going to protect Bitcoin in the future.
and the more we can participate or find little ways that, you know, the little average Joe can
participate. That's what's important to me. And I think, you know, when I look at the long-term
of it, when I see the cost of energy, when I think about the next halving going to one point,
you know, to whatever the hell 3.125 divided by two is, there's a lot of pain involved for the
future of centralized mining. And what that does is create an opportunity for these little guys to,
you know, your vote gets more and more powerful over time because we essentially have nothing to
lose. When I say nothing to lose, it's the cost of a light bulb. It's buying a bid axe for $90.
You know, you can get them for even cheaper than that. It doesn't necessarily have to be a bid axe
either, but you're casting your vote. You have nothing to lose besides the cost of a light bulb.
and you're going up against these centralized forces
that have a lot to lose.
They're worried about the next halving.
They're worried about the kilowatt hour price.
They're worried about their local jurisdictions,
whatever might change the shift, their future.
They're worried about their stockholders, their shareholders.
And all these things that come with that conglomerate
is something that Bitcoin is beautiful about
because we can just be decentralized and hash away.
And I think there's something very powerful the same way
when I started running a bit axe was the same way I felt when I started running a node And it very possible for anybody to do it now And I want to share that I want to share that feeling
I want to be part of the community.
I want to help people do it.
And that's just, I think it's a very pure stance.
And it's very principled.
You know, one of the things you do really well, KW, is you rally the troops, right?
You've shown this with the Zapathon.
You've shown this with, actually, before the Zapathon.
with the blockchain hashtag on Noster.
And I think you're taking that skill
and applying it to these Bitax folks
who might otherwise have just been pieces of driftwood
doing their own thing,
but you're sort of bringing them together.
You're bringing these hashes on Wrigley together.
Maybe they don't want to have a Bitax,
but they're willing to buy hash from a farm somewhere in Africa, for instance.
We're currently, like if we look at our pool right now,
we're about 125 workers and almost 500, around 500 terahash.
And these are all just regular people.
We have a telegram group that has over 300 people in it now.
This was nothing.
There was like, you know, there was nothing.
when it wasn't a block party, it was nothing. It was very minimal in this pool. So creating this
environment where number one, so if you have a bid X and you just joined public pool, which is
your standard solo mining pool that kind of comes with the bid X, you put it in your corner, it's a
talking piece. And, you know, Avi, you would put one up and you just have it in the corner. What's
that? Oh, it's a mining Bitcoin. Well, how much you making? And you're like, really, that's all it
is. It's just a talking piece. And you have your lotto. But when you can actually communicate and
put this into a bigger group, we have our bounty rules. We have our bounty. So when it's not a
block party, whoever finds in this pool, whoever finds the Bitcoin or solves it, gets one Bitcoin.
The rest is spread out with the pool. Never found one yet. We will one day, hopefully. But
you know, that's cool. So that bounty area is neat. The community is neat. But then you have
that every second Saturday or twice, you know, basically every second Saturday, we have the
block party, which surges a hash rate into the pool for like six hours. So it kind of gamifies
mining. So it makes it fun. You can update your rigs and you, you know, get ready for the next
block party. But it really draws in the community. And the thing is, we're all just plebs. It's not
like a bunch of people with heavy jargon. You know, we're trying to help everyone. We're trying
to get people onto the pool. And, you know, we share pictures. We share updates on what we're
finding out. We're calibrating our devices. We're just really learning through experience on
And not your freaking ASIC farm type of learning, but your bid acts or whatever solo mining you're doing.
So I don't know.
That's really it.
I'm kind of ranting about it.
But it is neat.
And I think it was definitely a moment where you're like, wow, I never knew this.
and I can actually take part in this dark side of Bitcoin
that seemed like it was always for corporations at this point.
And a lot of these folks seem like diehard radicals,
but I mean that in a good way,
but they just seem pretty hardcore folks
when it comes to these things, right?
It does tend to gravitate the BitX community,
especially both because it started really on Noster,
but we definitely get some pretty good hardcore cypherpunk type minds
and people that actually care about Bitcoin.
It's never really number go up.
Really blockchain radio style culture that we try to gravitate to.
I do say CryptoCloaks, our buddy Rick, he created that alliance stand
and now he's actually laser engraving onto BitX motherboards.
uh, the Alliance grows stronger. Uh, he's, he's, he's, he's going above and beyond, uh, for the
community because he's like, this is a great community. I really want to do things for it.
Um, but he's doing a bit X get a giveaway today on X. It was an Alliance bit X. It says Alliance
grows stronger right on the motherboard. Uh, it's a really sweet unit. And he's, he's doing a
giveaway today and thank you, Rick, because you didn't have to do it. No one asked you to do it.
He just been a freaking monster. And you know, Avi, there's something funny about that, too, because Rick is kind of at odds with the OSMU, the open source mining at this point.
He just got removed from the approved vendor list.
Why is that?
Well, he's been calling it out. So essentially, if you buy a bid X, there's like a, I don't know if it's 10%, 20% fee that goes towards open source mining, this OSMU. And, you know, they're calling it a donation, but if it's mandatory, isn't it a fee?
so that whole deal is uh is something that he calls out and uh you know just like anything
if you call something out maybe you're not on the good side but uh that's that's a whole story in
itself and i don't think he'll really get on to talk about it either but it's pretty much open
you can see on x between um on the twitter side because twitter's all about arguing these days
I'm sure. But you can see some open discussion about why he was removed from the approved vendors.
But you know what? BidX is an open source project and there's no stopping it essentially. So,
you know, you can be approved vendor, but to me, that's just a slap in a Better Business Bureau
sticker, you know, on your website. And, you know, people love us on Yelp type of thing.
it's just it's it's kind of meaningless that's great and qw before we wrap this up there's one
other area right i mentioned it that you are you've been focused on quite a bit and you you're
trying to spread the word about is the privacy side so do you want to talk about that yeah well
i mean if we have microphones obby um you know we we should i i and i've been mentioning to you
We should probably talk about it more, focus on it more.
I'm not some privacy guru, but it means so much to me.
I've had my identity stolen.
I've had my, you know, get the credit card in the mail that says your name on it, but you never actually signed up for it.
During COVID, someone was taking out unemployment for my name.
you know there's just I've just been so compromised and all I see looking forward is more and more
rights being stripped I look at you know I mean really anything other everything wants KYC everything
wants to the road isn't getting any better and I've already seen the road behind me and it was
shit so it's something where like where does it end does anybody care I mean have you spent hours
and hours and hours trying to fight something, uh, that you didn't apply for.
So like it it it just it eats away at you and I see it in the future and it going to eat away at my son and I feel like we should just shine lights on it I want to do more and more privacy conversations
And you know what?
It needs to be a roadmap like I did with Ghost, where it's just like a roadmap for simple people, simple things you can do to kind of protect yourself.
And I want to learn more about that.
One of the big reasons I got into Bitcoin and really stuck was the cypherpunk movement and separating money from state and privacy as a human right.
All those things that really hits home to me.
So I don't know.
How can I contribute?
How can I take my community building?
Some of the things I've done in the past, whether it's PubChain, Zapathon or even this alliance, even Nostra PHX and Culture Shock.
I mean, how can I apply that to privacy?
Because privacy is another odd one that you try to bring to your local conversation.
And it's just not normie friendly, right?
Well, you've got to show up in a mask, right?
You've got to practice what you preach.
Well, that's it, right?
So, you know, you've got to be a privacy advocate with your mask off because you've got to vlog about it.
Privacy vlogs
That is what will lead to hyper-nostrification
QW
Yeah, but I think one of our shows
With Max Hillebrand
The one we did with him
Was very revealing to me
As far as getting lost in the crowd
It's stuck with me
So it's kind of meshing today's world
With privacy
Not being in the bunker
But being open
But also decentralizing the things you do
to compartmentalize, which spreading your privacy around, I suppose, to make it harder to
attain. But yeah, it's kind of scary when you think about how much you try to protect your
privacy and how much big tech wants more and more information from you. So it's just,
and there's zero liability. You know, I talk about that Waymo that almost ran me off the road and
you call the phone call, you call Waymo and it's just a robot.
That's what the future is going to be.
You get your identity jacked and your money's gone
and you call a number and it's a robot.
So it seems like humans are, you know,
being a human right is important
and I think we're getting trampled at this point.
Are these privacy shows that you're planning to do,
are they going to be uplifting?
Because if I remember correctly,
we've had about seven or eight.
And I know you had the one with Ghost,
which you did in layer two.
But outside of that,
we've had about, I would say five, six,
maybe seven, eight privacy focus shows.
And I think every single one of them,
we came out of it feeling utterly depressed,
saying we're screwed.
Well, and I think that's where that loss in the crowd comes.
Because if you can,
And just like this, Avi, I already know Bitcoin's going to go up over time, so I don't care about price.
When people say, oh, all-time high, I'm like, well, it's always going to go up.
So if I can remove that portion of the emotions of that, and I focus on what I can actually do in Bitcoin,
what I can touch, what I can affect, who I conversate with, spreading the good word,
we know privacy is going to keep getting stripped, stripped, stripped.
So take that emotion out so it's not depressing.
What can you actually do to fix what's going on around you right now?
And I think that's really the ultimate approach with any of this is focusing on what you can do.
And it doesn't have to be complicated.
So, you know, understand, you know, have a conversation about truly the privacy is getting stripped.
You know, what's going on in the world, the projections, you know, AI and whatever is going to happen.
But what can we do, you know, to kind of counter that?
And it is what it is, you know.
Indeed.
Anything else, QW, that we haven't talked about?
Look, we've made it to an hour and 15 minutes.
An hour and 15 minutes, no guests, no sermon.
You know, I'm ready to go.
And I thought you were going to read the first 300 pages of July 24th.
July 18.
I'll get it once it's, yeah.
I mean, hey, Avi, you haven't even sent this to the editor
to see if that cover's acceptable, right?
You might have to change it.
We'll see.
It'll be Juneteenth by the time you're done.
and bitcoin replaced with a with a green version xrc
yeah and only then uh will be it will be next netflix worthy you know
uh but no that's it um it was a i i kind of like shows like this i mean kind of the state of the
union um but you've had a lot going on and i've been interested in and you know it's funny
because I have to hear from the, let's see the name of it again,
the Cryptopolitan, what Avi's been up to, you know,
and we do this show every week.
So it just kind of goes to show that we live far away
and we're on different time zones.
And sometimes the only time we actually talk is during the show.
And I think that's pretty cool.
And we live our own rich, rewarding lives.
And when we do talk to you in the show, we're talking to someone else about the rich, rewarding things that they're doing.
So I think it's good that maybe once every few months we have this sort of reflection on what's happened.
Yeah. Well, I tell you, another big thing coming up, Avi, it's a big, big, big thing in our world.
My son's doing soccer. So if you've ever seen football in your world.
But if you've ever seen two-and-a-half-year-olds run around chasing a ball, I'm really looking forward to this one.
Oh, yeah.
It'll be fun.
But, yeah, that's where my world is right now.
That's my risk assessment.
I'm going to grind.
I'm a slave in many ways right now.
So that's it.
All right.
Good.
Yeah.
Well, folks, thank you for listening to, again,
two dudes, two middle-aged dudes with an acute case
of the Dunning-Kruger effect,
Pratt-Lawn about life, the universe, and everything.
I hope this was enjoyable to you.
QW, any last words?
Yeah, you think it was enjoyable, Avi?
I mean, we did, it's really us talking about it.
I'd be interested, because the last time we did
two dudes with acute case, it did really well.
The show is really good.
It's actually one of our most watched shows.
Yeah.
We're over here stressing about who's the guest going to be and all those different things you think about week over week and time zones.
And what if the most popular thing is the easiest thing?
So that might be something to think about.
But no, that's all.
I'm interested to see if this show does numbers.
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