1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,080 Welcome to Pleb Chain Radio, a live show brought to you by Plebs for Plebs, which focuses 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,940 on the intersection of Nostra and Bitcoin protocols. 3 00:00:11,700 --> 00:00:16,700 Join QW and Avi as they run down the weekly news and developments, breaking down the current 4 00:00:16,700 --> 00:00:21,600 thing and the future frontier with the foundation of decentralization, the builders, thinkers, 5 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:22,780 doers and plebs. 6 00:00:26,620 --> 00:00:28,860 All right, we are live. 7 00:00:28,860 --> 00:00:36,640 Welcome, gentle plebs, to episode number 125 of Pleb Chain Radio. 8 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:46,420 This is the Lightning Laced Airwaves and today is Friday the 15th of August and it is 1.42pm 9 00:00:46,420 --> 00:00:50,800 on the east coast of the United States at the time of recording. 10 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,400 A slightly different show here for you. 11 00:00:54,140 --> 00:00:57,760 No guests today because of an unfortunate last minute cancellation. 12 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,180 so it will just be QW and myself 13 00:01:01,180 --> 00:01:04,380 prattling on for about an hour or so 14 00:01:04,380 --> 00:01:06,820 Oh, an hour, man? 15 00:01:06,980 --> 00:01:08,180 You got enough to talk about? 16 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,300 We'll see. We'll find out. 17 00:01:10,500 --> 00:01:12,380 There is no script. There is nothing. 18 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:16,080 And a reminder, folks, 19 00:01:16,140 --> 00:01:18,980 if you are listening to this show on Apple or Spotify, 20 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:20,820 first of all, thank you for listening, 21 00:01:20,820 --> 00:01:22,720 but I would urge you to hit pause 22 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,920 and switch over to the Fountain podcasting app 23 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:27,340 where you can earn some sats 24 00:01:27,340 --> 00:01:31,960 and support the value for value revolution while you listen. 25 00:01:32,500 --> 00:01:35,900 And while you're there, if you could hit that subscribe button, 26 00:01:36,820 --> 00:01:47,080 you will get access to bonus content and help QW and me keep our mics warm and the show ad free. 27 00:01:47,860 --> 00:01:54,520 The show is streamed live on zap.stream and any other NOSTA client that supports streaming 28 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,320 such as Amethyst or Nostr. 29 00:01:59,220 --> 00:02:00,760 And QW, this is a different show, 30 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,280 so I don't know if you have Culture Corner prepared. 31 00:02:04,780 --> 00:02:07,960 Have you been paying attention to Bitcoin and Nostr culture in the last week? 32 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:12,560 Part of this show is kind of talking about culture in a way. 33 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,480 And what I've been kind of noticing, obviously, the big meme, 34 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,680 I kind of base culture sometimes just off the meme trends 35 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,780 because it's a week-over-week type of thing. 36 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:34,200 And it started with American HODL doing a one vlog, video blog. 37 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:39,680 And then yesterday, Marty Bent joined with a video blog. 38 00:02:39,820 --> 00:02:41,800 So we have two video bloggers. 39 00:02:41,920 --> 00:02:42,900 And here's the caveat. 40 00:02:43,100 --> 00:02:44,300 It's Noster only. 41 00:02:44,940 --> 00:02:48,380 So, Avi, is this going to drive the adoption, 42 00:02:48,380 --> 00:02:54,000 the hyper-gnostrification that we've been all talking about for the years. 43 00:02:54,920 --> 00:02:59,300 It depends on what they talk about, but it might, if it's interesting stuff. 44 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:05,320 I'm picturing in, let's say, one month time, and this vlog thing really catches on. 45 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,060 You open up your Primal app, Bobby, and you start scrolling, 46 00:03:09,260 --> 00:03:13,960 and it's just a string of dudes with their video cameras just ranting 47 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:19,000 or telling their life, you know, their diary, their verbal diary. 48 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:20,880 Just dudes everywhere. 49 00:03:21,220 --> 00:03:22,900 With a verbal diarrhea, more like it. 50 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:32,380 Yeah, it will be interesting to watch, KW, 51 00:03:32,380 --> 00:03:38,960 if this trend catches on and it somehow drives normies in droves to Noster. 52 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:40,480 It will be something. 53 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,020 I will say Noshole 54 00:03:43,020 --> 00:03:44,200 that account Noshole 55 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,180 she's been 56 00:03:47,180 --> 00:03:48,980 in Noster for a while 57 00:03:48,980 --> 00:03:50,980 I feel like she was one of the first 58 00:03:50,980 --> 00:03:53,460 kind of vloggers and I don't know if it was 59 00:03:53,460 --> 00:03:55,360 yeah I mean I guess it was basically 60 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,080 vlogging but she 61 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,060 was hilarious it was good 62 00:03:59,060 --> 00:04:01,120 and I 63 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,420 don't think I've seen that on Noster 64 00:04:03,420 --> 00:04:04,940 but then again it's 65 00:04:04,940 --> 00:04:06,220 it's 66 00:04:06,220 --> 00:04:09,180 it's going to be interesting because there's 67 00:04:09,180 --> 00:04:16,400 not a lot of diversity in the pleb culture, what's mainly talked about, uh, what, uh, you know, 68 00:04:16,420 --> 00:04:21,740 the genders, uh, it's just something that it could get redundant and it could get kind of weird. 69 00:04:21,740 --> 00:04:25,860 Like for someone just like, let's say my wife joins now or jumps on her nostril account. She'd 70 00:04:25,860 --> 00:04:32,180 be like, what is this? Just a bunch of guys doing videos. Uh, you know, if, if it's not as bad as 71 00:04:32,180 --> 00:04:38,500 podcasters, uh, you know, uh, uh, what do you, what do you say? It's a split screen of a bunch of 72 00:04:38,500 --> 00:04:43,580 Bitcoiners talking about Bitcoin. What's that phrase you say? 73 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:49,100 Bitcoiners talking to Bitcoiners about Bitcoin on a Zoom split screen. 74 00:04:50,860 --> 00:04:56,940 Yeah. So it's just going to be another extension of that, I suppose. But we'll see. I mean, 75 00:04:56,940 --> 00:05:03,220 it's good to try stuff new. I think Korn had an interesting post yesterday talking about how 76 00:05:03,220 --> 00:05:12,520 Noster or the clients themselves don't actually compress the video. So if you're watching this, 77 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:20,100 let's just say you're downloading 300 megabytes per second watching this video of a dude talking. 78 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:27,640 That's a problem, isn't it? Well, again, it depends on what the dude is talking about. 79 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:42,820 You don't know. But no, I'm just saying like, you know, if you have your cell phone service and, you know, 300 megabytes is a lot of megabytes and you're just watching it like it's a YouTube video or something and it's not compressed and you have no idea, right? 80 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:44,600 Yeah. 81 00:05:45,060 --> 00:05:48,300 Maybe it'll push the clients to add more compression. 82 00:05:48,300 --> 00:05:59,620 You know, what might work is if they live stream these vlogs on Zap.Stream, because I believe Zap.Stream does do the transcoding and compression and so on. 83 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,020 Maybe that would work. 84 00:06:01,260 --> 00:06:13,720 But yes, these pre-recorded vlogs, I suspect, will suffer from the fate that you are, or at least the viewers, on limited bandwidth plans might end up paying the price. 85 00:06:13,900 --> 00:06:17,480 And I could say that I might be wrong on this. 86 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,180 I am trusting Cornelorian's research. 87 00:06:20,380 --> 00:06:21,540 He's pretty good at homework. 88 00:06:21,860 --> 00:06:25,540 So I'm assuming that that's absolutely correct. 89 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,660 But maybe there is a client that does compress or something, but who knows. 90 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:31,680 So yeah, that was happening. 91 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:42,220 The big launch of Proto, Jack's long-awaited ASIC mining, U.S. manufactured competition to the Bitmain. 92 00:06:42,220 --> 00:06:53,240 So it was something I, for some reason, I thought it was going to be much more like at home miner, something that can be offered to, let's say, me. 93 00:06:53,380 --> 00:06:55,140 I'm staring at both of my bid axes. 94 00:06:55,520 --> 00:07:06,140 I got a Canon Avalon Nano 3S next to me, something that would just kind of decentralize from the pleb state of point, from the pleb state of mind. 95 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,380 But it turned out it was a larger unit. 96 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:11,680 It's got great efficiency. 97 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,480 It's got all the things you would expect, the maintenance standpoint of it. 98 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,320 You can swap things out in 30 seconds down the road. 99 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:20,480 It's easy to upgrade. 100 00:07:20,980 --> 00:07:25,840 It's very genius the way it was created, and it makes a lot of sense. 101 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:34,960 But when it says contact sales for price, then I know it's not for me, man. 102 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:48,400 Well, I think that is a good move, all set in UnQW, because Bitcoin mining hardware, that's been a big problem, right? 103 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:48,740 Oh, yeah. 104 00:07:48,740 --> 00:07:53,240 For folks who are concerned about decentralization, backdoors, and so on. 105 00:07:53,300 --> 00:07:55,920 And Bitmain's pulled some bad stuff in the past. 106 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:02,000 We've had a few shows where we call them the Bit... well, our guests call them the Bitmain Mafia. 107 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:02,760 Right. 108 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,400 That can never mean a good thing. 109 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:19,520 And that's on the pool side, but even on the hardware side, it's been a few years now, but they've pulled some bad stuff, withholding information, new developments, them using it first before rolling it out, that kind of stuff. 110 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,380 So I think that was rife for disruption. 111 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:32,060 So Jack and Proto targeting the B2B market rather than the retail market to start with anyway makes sense. 112 00:08:32,060 --> 00:08:38,220 Maybe they will roll out some kind of Bitaxe type thing as well, targeted more at home users. 113 00:08:38,500 --> 00:08:40,280 But I think it's a smart move. 114 00:08:41,060 --> 00:08:42,220 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 115 00:08:42,420 --> 00:08:46,500 I don't know why I assumed it was going to be for me, Avi. 116 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,180 Everything's for me, Avi, you know. 117 00:08:49,680 --> 00:08:52,120 And I was just, it was Christmas morning. 118 00:08:52,220 --> 00:08:55,580 I didn't get the Red Ryder BB gun in, you know. 119 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:57,360 Someone else did, but that's okay. 120 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:58,460 I'm happy for them. 121 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,600 Decentralize the chips and let's rock. 122 00:09:02,060 --> 00:09:08,140 Yeah, and I don't know if there's any other trends right now. 123 00:09:08,420 --> 00:09:09,840 That was kind of the big two things. 124 00:09:11,180 --> 00:09:12,400 And, you know, my time's... 125 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,240 One quick thing, QW. 126 00:09:16,300 --> 00:09:18,780 Fountain rolled out their new update. 127 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,900 Now, it was out on TestFlight, 128 00:09:22,860 --> 00:09:24,820 and there are a lot of changes. 129 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,120 They've written a blog post, I think it was released today, 130 00:09:29,740 --> 00:09:31,300 that outlines all the changes. 131 00:09:31,300 --> 00:09:33,320 I'm not going to just go through every single one of them. 132 00:09:34,100 --> 00:09:38,480 Just a couple that stood out was they've switched to Nostra likes, 133 00:09:39,340 --> 00:09:45,220 and that's going to feed into their trending algo on Fountain. 134 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:51,500 But the most interesting one for me is the Nostra live streams now show up on Fountain. 135 00:09:51,660 --> 00:09:54,140 So I logged in the other day on my test flight, 136 00:09:54,960 --> 00:10:00,260 and I saw Scardust's 24-7 live stream on Fountain. 137 00:10:00,260 --> 00:10:01,760 and it was pretty cool. 138 00:10:01,900 --> 00:10:05,200 I was able to go in, post a few comments from Fountain 139 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,940 that showed up on Zap.stream and elsewhere. 140 00:10:08,460 --> 00:10:11,880 Basically any client that supports the NIF 53. 141 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,380 We're live right now on Fountain. 142 00:10:13,740 --> 00:10:14,560 I see it. 143 00:10:14,860 --> 00:10:15,420 I see it. 144 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,060 We've been waiting for this. 145 00:10:17,560 --> 00:10:19,500 And yeah, it was like two days ago. 146 00:10:20,060 --> 00:10:23,760 I noticed the Scardust TV 24-7 was on 147 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,540 and you noticed, I guess, the day before. 148 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,620 So that's great. 149 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:30,920 That's exciting. 150 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:31,940 We've been waiting for that. 151 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:38,540 And I think we've, you know, the other thing we've been waiting for is more clients doing the live stream within the app. 152 00:10:38,660 --> 00:10:39,840 But you know what? 153 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,840 Fountain is, there's a reason they're trailblazing. 154 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,420 And it seems like it's, I haven't actually tried to use it. 155 00:10:46,740 --> 00:10:48,740 I did comment on that Scardust. 156 00:10:49,700 --> 00:10:52,840 My zap didn't work, but maybe their wallet isn't configured correctly. 157 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,780 Well, it's probably because it's not configured through Fountain. 158 00:10:56,540 --> 00:10:58,040 But that's something to look at too. 159 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:02,220 yeah I think there probably is an issue 160 00:11:02,220 --> 00:11:03,740 with the zaps 161 00:11:03,740 --> 00:11:05,160 via fountain 162 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,060 maybe that's I mean I suspect that'll change 163 00:11:08,060 --> 00:11:09,940 once they add Nostra Wallet Connect 164 00:11:09,940 --> 00:11:12,400 but you can certainly post comments 165 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,500 which show up on all of the streams 166 00:11:14,500 --> 00:11:16,740 I'm sending 10 sats 167 00:11:16,740 --> 00:11:17,980 to our show right now 168 00:11:17,980 --> 00:11:19,020 and 169 00:11:19,020 --> 00:11:22,460 zap it zap it zap it pay with lightning 170 00:11:22,460 --> 00:11:23,560 and 171 00:11:23,560 --> 00:11:26,480 there it went so it does 172 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:31,940 work so that that answers that it just comes down to how they set it up so 173 00:11:31,940 --> 00:11:53,832 awesome and anybody in the audience test out to see if your wallet works are you connected to the fountain oh yeah mine went through as well so maybe something to do with the scar dust um yeah because they set it up on the zap dot stream side uh whereas we are integrated 174 00:11:53,832 --> 00:12:03,812 i don't know i i don't know yeah yeah something to uh talk to lahav about huh yes for sure yeah 175 00:12:03,812 --> 00:12:06,032 Anything else, Avi? 176 00:12:07,472 --> 00:12:08,452 On Culture Corner? 177 00:12:08,592 --> 00:12:10,012 No, and I cut you off, QW. 178 00:12:10,092 --> 00:12:12,552 You were about to say something else when I started talking about Phantom. 179 00:12:14,972 --> 00:12:15,792 I don't know. 180 00:12:16,052 --> 00:12:16,492 I don't know. 181 00:12:16,652 --> 00:12:18,492 We're just rolling with this one today, Avi. 182 00:12:20,212 --> 00:12:20,892 That's right. 183 00:12:21,632 --> 00:12:26,932 I got excited about actually opening up the app and seeing if we're live stream, and it happened. 184 00:12:27,312 --> 00:12:27,972 And it happened. 185 00:12:27,972 --> 00:12:28,632 That's something. 186 00:12:28,832 --> 00:12:31,492 I mean, I can't stress how big that is. 187 00:12:31,652 --> 00:12:32,932 I've been waiting for that one. 188 00:12:32,932 --> 00:12:38,212 I wanted to see our show live via fountain because I'm a fountain enjoyer. 189 00:12:38,932 --> 00:12:40,272 So it's a big day. 190 00:12:41,312 --> 00:12:42,792 For me, it's a big day. 191 00:12:43,332 --> 00:12:44,912 And my Zabwalk too. 192 00:12:45,592 --> 00:12:50,112 It was made up for my proto-rugging that I mentally had. 193 00:12:52,512 --> 00:12:57,532 So thanks to the two Zappers that have zapped our show live right now, 194 00:12:57,792 --> 00:13:01,892 QW and Avi, testing fountain zap and test. 195 00:13:01,892 --> 00:13:03,592 We appreciate your support. 196 00:13:07,492 --> 00:13:09,252 You got a meme or anything? 197 00:13:09,352 --> 00:13:11,232 Anything, any other intro? 198 00:13:11,972 --> 00:13:13,352 A half-assed sermon? 199 00:13:13,612 --> 00:13:13,832 Anything? 200 00:13:14,392 --> 00:13:15,772 I got nothing, man. 201 00:13:15,892 --> 00:13:18,732 You know, these sermons take a while to write. 202 00:13:19,532 --> 00:13:21,952 And it's been that kind of week, QW. 203 00:13:22,952 --> 00:13:25,172 I was looking forward to having our guest on. 204 00:13:25,172 --> 00:13:28,252 And I suspect we will reschedule because it's a great topic. 205 00:13:29,312 --> 00:13:31,272 Unfortunately, they had a last-minute thing come up. 206 00:13:31,892 --> 00:13:38,512 And here we are. We are just two dudes with an acute case of Donning Kruger at it yet again. 207 00:13:39,292 --> 00:13:41,872 Hey, what Italian holiday is it today? 208 00:13:43,312 --> 00:13:46,372 I don't know. The feast of something. 209 00:13:46,572 --> 00:13:56,992 I know in New York City, around this time of year, there's an Italian carnival and it's a feast of some saint or the other. 210 00:13:56,992 --> 00:13:59,512 and it's always great fun 211 00:13:59,512 --> 00:14:01,412 they have these 212 00:14:01,412 --> 00:14:04,652 quickly assembled roundabouts 213 00:14:04,652 --> 00:14:05,612 and what not 214 00:14:05,612 --> 00:14:08,772 and then they have the fried Oreos 215 00:14:08,772 --> 00:14:10,912 and that kind of stuff 216 00:14:10,912 --> 00:14:13,052 which I'm sure would get you shot 217 00:14:13,052 --> 00:14:14,032 if you did that in Italy 218 00:14:14,032 --> 00:14:15,752 but I remember that 219 00:14:15,752 --> 00:14:18,192 I suspect it's something like that 220 00:14:18,192 --> 00:14:19,192 Feast of Some Saint 221 00:14:19,192 --> 00:14:21,852 The Feast of Saint Mark 222 00:14:21,852 --> 00:14:23,612 I think it's a 223 00:14:23,612 --> 00:14:26,932 it could be a woman's saint 224 00:14:26,932 --> 00:14:31,732 if I'm not okay so they're just they're just rocking all the they're just basically any 225 00:14:31,732 --> 00:14:36,052 of the saints they'll have a feast for hey man you you gotta have a feast 226 00:14:36,052 --> 00:14:41,572 it's the middle of summer it's like Americans just looking for reasons to drink 227 00:14:41,572 --> 00:14:49,912 the drinking holidays yeah so hey let's talk about some uh some big things because 228 00:14:49,912 --> 00:14:58,132 I'm super interested in your journey right now, Avi, because you quit your fiat job. 229 00:14:59,112 --> 00:15:05,532 The fiat minds are behind you for now. And tell me, how much time do you really have to make 230 00:15:05,532 --> 00:15:13,272 things happen before you start worrying? Number one. It feels like I have no time these days, 231 00:15:13,272 --> 00:15:16,052 I am busier than I ever have been. 232 00:15:16,712 --> 00:15:19,652 And I'm having the best time of my life 233 00:15:19,652 --> 00:15:23,692 because every single thing I do, I choose to do. 234 00:15:24,492 --> 00:15:26,912 I do these things because I want to do them, 235 00:15:27,012 --> 00:15:28,972 not because someone's telling me to do them, 236 00:15:29,172 --> 00:15:31,352 not because I'm doing it out of a sense of obligation 237 00:15:31,352 --> 00:15:36,832 to fulfill some contract that I had forced myself to sign. 238 00:15:37,272 --> 00:15:39,052 I'm talking about employment contracts, obviously, 239 00:15:39,332 --> 00:15:40,772 which I had forced myself to sign 240 00:15:40,772 --> 00:15:44,912 because I had convinced myself I needed that to support family 241 00:15:44,912 --> 00:15:46,652 or whatever it might be, right? 242 00:15:47,792 --> 00:15:50,212 Ever since I quit my job on July 4th, 243 00:15:50,292 --> 00:15:56,272 I've been, my calendar is full and it doesn't feel like work. 244 00:15:56,432 --> 00:16:00,952 It's incredibly rewarding and it's been a great experience. 245 00:16:02,152 --> 00:16:04,072 And there's a lot going on, QW. 246 00:16:04,072 --> 00:16:13,812 you. I'm working on the sequel to 24. The book's called July 18. And let's stop right there. Let's 247 00:16:13,812 --> 00:16:22,032 talk about that. So did you work on that book before July 4th? I had written maybe 248 00:16:22,032 --> 00:16:30,852 30 pages of that book or 40 pages of that book. And I just crambled some time together between 249 00:16:30,852 --> 00:16:34,372 the beginning of this year and till I quit. 250 00:16:34,632 --> 00:16:36,232 Yeah, let's just call it about 50 pages. 251 00:16:37,072 --> 00:16:40,152 So in that 30 to 50 pages, 252 00:16:40,592 --> 00:16:44,672 how difficult is it to be in that headspace 253 00:16:44,672 --> 00:16:48,132 of the fiat slavery, essentially, 254 00:16:48,752 --> 00:16:50,172 when you're trying to make something, 255 00:16:50,172 --> 00:16:54,152 you're trying to create, have a mindset 256 00:16:54,152 --> 00:16:57,952 where you're essentially building this story. 257 00:16:57,952 --> 00:17:11,172 uh and what what page are you at now 340 and so what was harder the uh 260 or the uh the the 40 258 00:17:11,172 --> 00:17:17,792 before that oh the the the first 40 or 50 were definitely the hardest it would be two or three 259 00:17:17,792 --> 00:17:25,292 pages in in you know i'd find a day or two a week i'd be able to carve out and then write two or 260 00:17:25,292 --> 00:17:31,432 three pages on each of those days. And that was it. And it was hard, man. And here's the other 261 00:17:31,432 --> 00:17:37,312 thing, right? I wrote 24, which is a 400-page book, or a little over 400 pages. I wrote that 262 00:17:37,312 --> 00:17:43,232 when I still had the same fiat job, but the circumstances were a little different. 263 00:17:44,512 --> 00:17:52,032 It wasn't as stressful at that time. You know, it hadn't become toxic. 264 00:17:52,032 --> 00:17:59,812 and then and so I was able to find the headspace obviously not ideal right you say yeah there would 265 00:17:59,812 --> 00:18:04,772 be days when I'd sit down write about 10 pages which is a good day 10 pages is really solid right 266 00:18:04,772 --> 00:18:10,092 it's about three between three and four thousand words a solid three four hour stretch of writing 267 00:18:10,092 --> 00:18:15,932 and I'd be able to do that there would be interruptions obviously I'd have to go 268 00:18:15,932 --> 00:18:22,412 take a call, but I was able to delegate things and wasn't dealing with any fiat toxicity at that 269 00:18:22,412 --> 00:18:30,672 point. My job became way more toxic in the last year, year and a half. So whenever I tried in 270 00:18:30,672 --> 00:18:37,152 writing in January, yeah, I think it was early this year when I began writing the sequel, it was 271 00:18:37,152 --> 00:18:45,292 just, it was impossible. Constantly getting pinged, dealing with some made up crisis or the other. 272 00:18:45,932 --> 00:18:48,832 Um, so yeah, it was really hard to get into the headspace. 273 00:18:48,832 --> 00:18:52,792 And then July 4th happened and I was, I was a free man. 274 00:18:52,912 --> 00:18:58,292 It took me a while to, uh, to realize how free I was before I started writing. 275 00:18:58,472 --> 00:19:03,312 Um, maybe it took me about a week or so, but yeah, but it's been, you know, in the last, 276 00:19:03,392 --> 00:19:12,112 so let's just say in the last month I've written about a solid 260 to 270 pages. 277 00:19:12,112 --> 00:19:19,612 that's that's a lot of hours uh and when you write those uh do you 278 00:19:19,612 --> 00:19:28,592 i think about like doc how he's he he vibe coded his our buddy doc he vibe coded his uh power app 279 00:19:28,592 --> 00:19:35,652 but he got to a point where he rebuilt it got to a point and then rebuilt it uh do you ever when 280 00:19:35,652 --> 00:19:42,392 you're writing in a book, writing a novel, do you get to a chapter, you get to the next one, 281 00:19:42,432 --> 00:19:49,112 you're like, wait a second, I have a better idea and have to actually rewrite, you know, 282 00:19:49,112 --> 00:19:55,292 go back a couple chapters and rebuild the story? I think for me, most of the going back and 283 00:19:55,292 --> 00:20:00,612 rewriting has been, oh, I could have worded that better. So I go back and change the wording. Now, 284 00:20:00,612 --> 00:20:02,872 without giving too much away, right? 285 00:20:03,792 --> 00:20:07,612 For folks who read 24, incredibly convoluted plot 286 00:20:07,612 --> 00:20:09,792 and lots of moving parts. 287 00:20:10,492 --> 00:20:15,092 I think July 18th, the sequel is even more complicated 288 00:20:15,092 --> 00:20:16,052 and convoluted. 289 00:20:18,072 --> 00:20:23,092 And there have been moments when I said, 290 00:20:23,212 --> 00:20:24,772 oh crap, maybe I should, 291 00:20:25,272 --> 00:20:27,672 I've just had a new idea for the plot arc. 292 00:20:27,672 --> 00:20:34,672 but for that I need to change something that happened in the past right in the previous chapter 293 00:20:34,672 --> 00:20:39,752 so that it actually lines up with how this new idea will take off so I've had to do that two or 294 00:20:39,752 --> 00:20:46,792 three times it hasn't been a massive rewrite so anytime I I would say the bulk of the big rewrites 295 00:20:46,792 --> 00:20:51,772 have been I'm writing a new chapter and I'm thinking about uh you know part of my mind 296 00:20:51,772 --> 00:20:55,612 wanders to how I phrased something in the previous chapter I was like ah you know what I could have 297 00:20:55,612 --> 00:21:02,392 set it better and go back and change that. So not, not, not, not a tremendous amount. 298 00:21:02,452 --> 00:21:08,472 Cause I think about like, uh, you know, if you're writing 40 pages in a, let's say a month's time, 299 00:21:08,472 --> 00:21:16,012 you have a lot of time to reflect on that. Um, whereas it is, I, I do, but also, you know, 300 00:21:16,012 --> 00:21:21,612 this plot is like a Rube Goldberg, uh, machine because of the number of moving parts. So I'm 301 00:21:21,612 --> 00:21:26,532 taking great pains to make sure that I don't have to go back and change because if I go 302 00:21:26,532 --> 00:21:33,112 back five steps and I pull one of those little whatever egg beaters or whatever it is out or I'm 303 00:21:33,112 --> 00:21:40,072 drawing the parallel to Rube Goldberg then the whole structure potentially collapses so 304 00:21:40,072 --> 00:21:49,872 I'm trying to be very deliberate and slow and I plan the entire chapter arc out before writing it 305 00:21:49,872 --> 00:21:55,992 I take, you know, map all the scenes, and then within a scene, I have them mapped out in beats. 306 00:21:57,092 --> 00:22:02,792 So I take great care, just because it's so complicated. 307 00:22:02,952 --> 00:22:06,792 If I make a small change in the back, it might, you know, the whole structure might collapse. 308 00:22:06,792 --> 00:22:07,892 So, yeah. 309 00:22:09,792 --> 00:22:15,552 So you're working on something else, and obviously we've touched on it. 310 00:22:15,772 --> 00:22:18,452 And I think he even did a show with Walker. 311 00:22:18,452 --> 00:22:21,032 he got the exclusive I believe 312 00:22:21,032 --> 00:22:23,292 but you talked about 313 00:22:23,292 --> 00:22:25,212 finding a home on that show 314 00:22:25,212 --> 00:22:26,592 but you're on 315 00:22:26,592 --> 00:22:28,032 you're trying to raise money 316 00:22:28,032 --> 00:22:29,472 you're at what 84% now? 317 00:22:30,152 --> 00:22:32,892 It's gone up to 87 or 88 318 00:22:32,892 --> 00:22:34,332 in the last year too 319 00:22:34,332 --> 00:22:36,532 You're closing in on 320 00:22:36,532 --> 00:22:39,452 full funding but not quite there yet 321 00:22:39,452 --> 00:22:40,312 in this 322 00:22:40,312 --> 00:22:43,212 when is this in this episode 3 323 00:22:43,212 --> 00:22:43,552 correct? 324 00:22:44,512 --> 00:22:46,212 The funding is for episode 3 325 00:22:46,212 --> 00:22:46,812 that's right 326 00:22:46,812 --> 00:22:50,652 Right. So talk to me about finding home and where you're at now. 327 00:22:51,832 --> 00:23:00,572 Yeah. Finding home is an idea I had actually two years ago, which is part of it was a, 328 00:23:01,292 --> 00:23:05,952 it wasn't entirely based on this, right? But part of it came from a rebellion against, 329 00:23:06,572 --> 00:23:13,592 and even two years ago, right? The state of Bitcoin podcasting. And actually the joke about 330 00:23:13,592 --> 00:23:16,772 Bitcoin podcasters talking to Bitcoin podcasters 331 00:23:16,772 --> 00:23:19,532 on a Bitcoin podcast about Bitcoin podcasting 332 00:23:19,532 --> 00:23:31,604 right on a Zoom split screen To me that it just it is emblematic of not every single Bitcoin podcast Obviously there are some very good ones but a lot of them 333 00:23:32,364 --> 00:23:33,504 And this is in 2023. 334 00:23:33,744 --> 00:23:35,784 And I said, there's got to be something different. 335 00:23:36,104 --> 00:23:39,304 And look, this is part of the reason why we do an audio-only show. 336 00:23:39,544 --> 00:23:45,564 We don't want to fit into that Zoom split-screen mold that we see so much of. 337 00:23:45,604 --> 00:23:47,384 That's why we don't talk about NGO. 338 00:23:47,384 --> 00:23:49,504 We're trying to avoid that topic as much as we can. 339 00:23:49,504 --> 00:24:00,124 And we don't talk about a lot of topics that are talked about in these replicator, Zoom split screen podcasts. 340 00:24:00,124 --> 00:24:01,984 We focus on culture and so on. 341 00:24:02,144 --> 00:24:14,464 But I wanted to see if there was a way of sort of breaking through that and creating Bitcoin content that was in a completely separate medium. 342 00:24:14,624 --> 00:24:18,884 So one uncompromising thing was it would have to be high quality. 343 00:24:18,884 --> 00:24:24,984 Not YouTube quality. It would have to be Netflix, Apple TV, Amazon Prime, streaming quality. 344 00:24:25,724 --> 00:24:26,804 And there is a distinction. 345 00:24:27,384 --> 00:24:29,464 That's not to say YouTube videos are bad. 346 00:24:29,804 --> 00:24:31,264 There's some really good YouTube stuff. 347 00:24:31,484 --> 00:24:37,664 But you're making that with a very different frame of mind than you are with, let's say, a chef's table on Netflix. 348 00:24:37,904 --> 00:24:39,944 Or an Anthony Bourdain type show. 349 00:24:40,244 --> 00:24:41,464 He predates Netflix. 350 00:24:41,464 --> 00:24:50,824 But that style of show, the production value is front and center there and the storytelling and so on. 351 00:24:52,504 --> 00:24:55,904 So that was one of the motivations. 352 00:24:56,404 --> 00:24:59,524 And I did want to tell stories about Bitcoiners. 353 00:24:59,664 --> 00:25:01,464 Bitcoiners are doing incredible things. 354 00:25:01,564 --> 00:25:03,044 They're leading these incredible lives. 355 00:25:03,044 --> 00:25:10,784 And wouldn't it be nice if the rest of the world was able to hear these stories in a way that was approachable to them? 356 00:25:10,784 --> 00:25:22,744 So that would mean not being lectured about Bitcoin, but listening to stories of people finding home, right? 357 00:25:22,884 --> 00:25:28,944 Expats, immigrants, whatever you want to call them, adapting to a new culture. 358 00:25:29,684 --> 00:25:32,944 What parts of their childhood culture have they brought with them? 359 00:25:33,004 --> 00:25:36,904 The cuisine, the music, whatever it is. 360 00:25:36,904 --> 00:25:43,724 so there are some really compelling stories to tell and there's a there's a nice parallel here 361 00:25:43,724 --> 00:25:52,064 as well just as the expat or the immigrant is searching for a physical home right find and 362 00:25:52,064 --> 00:25:57,744 therefore the name finding home they're also bitcoiners and bitcoiners have this metaphorical 363 00:25:57,744 --> 00:26:03,904 search for a sovereign home oh that bitcoiners are immigrants from fiat and they're looking for 364 00:26:03,904 --> 00:26:10,824 a home in this sovereign and sound money. So I wanted to mirror those two stories and tell them. 365 00:26:11,844 --> 00:26:19,824 And that was the idea two years ago. And then it took a while to get to a point where I was able 366 00:26:19,824 --> 00:26:24,904 to tell myself, you know what, you can just do things, right? Getting outside of my own head, 367 00:26:25,164 --> 00:26:31,144 my own brain, which would keep telling me, well, there's so many reasons why this won't work. 368 00:26:31,144 --> 00:26:32,964 how are you going to raise the money 369 00:26:32,964 --> 00:26:35,144 where are you going to find the right camera person 370 00:26:35,144 --> 00:26:36,744 how are you going to get this edited 371 00:26:36,744 --> 00:26:37,884 who's going to watch it 372 00:26:37,884 --> 00:26:41,044 all the surface level reasons 373 00:26:41,044 --> 00:26:42,924 that the human brain is really good at 374 00:26:42,924 --> 00:26:43,984 coming up with 375 00:26:43,984 --> 00:26:46,364 all the hows and the buts 376 00:26:46,364 --> 00:26:48,204 for why you cannot do something 377 00:26:48,204 --> 00:26:50,004 so it took me a while to step out of that 378 00:26:50,004 --> 00:26:51,344 and say you know what I'm just doing it 379 00:26:51,344 --> 00:26:52,404 because I can do it 380 00:26:52,404 --> 00:26:56,864 and so I filmed the first show 381 00:26:56,864 --> 00:26:58,364 in October of last year 382 00:26:58,364 --> 00:27:04,524 it took a while to get it edited and and so on again this is a shoestring budget right 383 00:27:04,524 --> 00:27:11,184 and I was fully self-funding it so it took a while for that to come out and finally it was 384 00:27:11,184 --> 00:27:17,364 out on IndieHub a few weeks ago we had Zach from IndieHub a couple of weeks back to talk about 385 00:27:17,364 --> 00:27:24,944 you know what that platform is about the in June I filmed the second episode when I was in Prague 386 00:27:24,944 --> 00:27:29,124 that is being edited and is in post-production 387 00:27:29,124 --> 00:27:33,124 by our dear friends Lahav and Noah from Scardust. 388 00:27:34,504 --> 00:27:39,024 Hopefully, we'll release that episode sometime in October, 389 00:27:39,164 --> 00:27:39,784 early October. 390 00:27:39,984 --> 00:27:40,604 That's the hope. 391 00:27:41,124 --> 00:27:42,704 Wow, they're doing it? 392 00:27:43,264 --> 00:27:44,164 They're doing it, yeah. 393 00:27:47,424 --> 00:27:49,484 Noah is quite the editor. 394 00:27:49,484 --> 00:27:53,244 Blockchain radio has been pretty good to you, I'll tell you. 395 00:27:53,244 --> 00:27:59,344 The amount of networking that we've done, just by conversation, you know what I mean? 396 00:28:00,664 --> 00:28:04,324 It's really a beautiful web that gets spun. 397 00:28:04,904 --> 00:28:09,644 Do you feel like you'd have met them if not for this show? 398 00:28:11,304 --> 00:28:17,944 Yeah, I don't know if the relationship would have deepened if he hadn't done the show. 399 00:28:18,424 --> 00:28:22,224 Now, I should give a big shout out to Richard Greaser from The Bugle. 400 00:28:22,224 --> 00:28:23,084 Yeah, yeah. 401 00:28:23,244 --> 00:28:26,324 who was the one who introduced me to this band in the first place. 402 00:28:26,624 --> 00:28:28,364 He did that show with them. 403 00:28:28,484 --> 00:28:30,244 It wasn't part of their regular show. 404 00:28:30,304 --> 00:28:31,844 It was behind the podcast, I think. 405 00:28:32,224 --> 00:28:35,484 Or I think he was doing a music offshoot in the Bugle. 406 00:28:35,864 --> 00:28:40,124 And I happened to listen to that episode, and I said, this is incredible. 407 00:28:40,544 --> 00:28:42,404 It so happened it's my favorite genre of music. 408 00:28:42,544 --> 00:28:45,904 And then hearing Lahav and Noah speak so eloquently, 409 00:28:46,164 --> 00:28:49,284 not just about the music and the video, but about Bitcoin itself, 410 00:28:49,364 --> 00:28:51,744 I was like, I really want these people on my show. 411 00:28:51,744 --> 00:28:57,044 So then having them on the show certainly helped deepen that friendship and that relationship. 412 00:28:57,504 --> 00:28:58,524 And yeah, here we are. 413 00:28:59,384 --> 00:29:01,264 Yeah, that's cool. 414 00:29:01,564 --> 00:29:07,604 And when you say expat, does it have to be out of the country? 415 00:29:09,424 --> 00:29:12,284 At least for season one, QW, that's what I'm thinking. 416 00:29:12,284 --> 00:29:16,984 If I was in the deep south, let's say I was Yowlin and I went to New York City. 417 00:29:18,604 --> 00:29:21,184 It's kind of a big culture change, right? 418 00:29:21,184 --> 00:29:24,604 I feel like it's at a cultural level 419 00:29:24,604 --> 00:29:25,904 That the contrast 420 00:29:25,904 --> 00:29:28,704 And how you kind of create your life 421 00:29:28,704 --> 00:29:30,384 Around being 422 00:29:30,384 --> 00:29:32,904 Basically culture shocked 423 00:29:32,904 --> 00:29:33,324 Right? 424 00:29:33,864 --> 00:29:36,484 Yeah, I think something like that could work 425 00:29:36,484 --> 00:29:38,584 I think that would land a lot better with 426 00:29:38,584 --> 00:29:39,944 An American audience 427 00:29:39,944 --> 00:29:41,964 Which is a lot more familiar with the 428 00:29:41,964 --> 00:29:43,944 Crocodile Dundee 429 00:29:43,944 --> 00:29:45,244 Right 430 00:29:45,244 --> 00:29:48,584 You said 431 00:29:48,584 --> 00:29:49,804 Deep South, Kitabi 432 00:29:49,804 --> 00:30:06,584 So our Prague episode, the Prague episode was with Grafton, a man from Mississippi who has made Prague, who has found home in Prague and in the cypherpunk web of trust that he's creating with a lot of others in that town. 433 00:30:06,684 --> 00:30:09,604 So that's going to be an interesting story as well. 434 00:30:09,664 --> 00:30:13,364 But yes, just going back to your earlier question, I'm certainly open to that. 435 00:30:13,364 --> 00:30:20,144 my only hesitation, especially in season one, is that would certainly resonate with an American 436 00:30:20,144 --> 00:30:25,944 audience, maybe not so much with an international audience who are, who would be unfamiliar, 437 00:30:26,404 --> 00:30:32,344 let's say, with the nuances of, you know, Southern culture versus Northern culture. I might say, 438 00:30:32,404 --> 00:30:38,044 hey, it's just Americans, man. What are you doing? Yeah. I mean, when I moved to Florida, 439 00:30:38,044 --> 00:30:40,644 I was really trying to find home. 440 00:30:40,744 --> 00:30:43,044 And what I mean by that is Sonoran Mexican food. 441 00:30:43,464 --> 00:30:44,564 I couldn't find it anywhere. 442 00:30:44,744 --> 00:30:49,324 And that was my staple, my heart and my soul food. 443 00:30:50,064 --> 00:30:53,464 And I was trying to find Sonoran Mexican food. 444 00:30:53,704 --> 00:30:56,644 That would be the closest to finding home I've ever gotten, Avi. 445 00:30:57,184 --> 00:30:58,064 And did you find it? 446 00:30:59,304 --> 00:31:01,104 Oh, man, it was sad. 447 00:31:01,444 --> 00:31:02,104 It was sad. 448 00:31:02,104 --> 00:31:05,164 It was, yeah, no, no. 449 00:31:05,164 --> 00:31:08,824 I ended up having to fly home to get it. 450 00:31:09,144 --> 00:31:11,284 So there you go. 451 00:31:12,004 --> 00:31:14,324 But no, that's great, man. 452 00:31:15,344 --> 00:31:21,284 So how do you go about, so this, obviously you have connections with episode one and two, 453 00:31:21,464 --> 00:31:28,984 but this is where you're funding, you're getting the funding for your, and where's the third one at? 454 00:31:29,484 --> 00:31:31,284 It's in South America. 455 00:31:31,784 --> 00:31:34,364 It's in Paraguay, in Asuncion. 456 00:31:35,244 --> 00:31:37,424 Yeah, so how do you go about budgeting this? 457 00:31:37,524 --> 00:31:39,384 How do you even know where you're going to go? 458 00:31:39,824 --> 00:31:43,724 Obviously, you find the point of contact, and it kind of starts from there, correct? 459 00:31:44,724 --> 00:31:45,164 Yes. 460 00:31:47,804 --> 00:31:54,784 When I was in Prague filming the episode with Grafton, there was no Paraguay episode, right? 461 00:31:56,604 --> 00:31:57,424 Nothing planned. 462 00:31:57,524 --> 00:31:59,964 I didn't even know it was going to happen. 463 00:31:59,964 --> 00:32:06,104 And then in Prague, I was introduced to this guy who's organizing a Bitcoin conference there. 464 00:32:06,664 --> 00:32:15,604 And he's from the Czech Republic and he's moved to Asuncion and he's made a life of a young guy and really dynamic, doing amazing stuff. 465 00:32:16,484 --> 00:32:21,144 And he wanted someone to talk about Bitcoin and Nostra and he invited me to speak. 466 00:32:21,204 --> 00:32:23,424 And I said, you know what, your story sounds fascinating. 467 00:32:23,804 --> 00:32:24,864 You're a young Czech guy. 468 00:32:24,864 --> 00:32:35,544 You've made Asuncion your home, Asuncion, the capital of Paraguay, and you're building this incredible sort of Bitcoin movement there, along with several others, by the way. 469 00:32:35,624 --> 00:32:37,004 There is quite the scene there. 470 00:32:38,984 --> 00:32:41,524 So I said, you know what, I'd love to do it. 471 00:32:42,344 --> 00:32:49,944 I reached out to a few folks and they said, yeah, we'll be happy to support you. 472 00:32:50,864 --> 00:32:54,144 I reached out to the Angor folks because I wanted to set up a fundraiser. 473 00:32:54,584 --> 00:32:55,964 They were incredibly generous. 474 00:32:57,084 --> 00:32:58,744 And because, I mean, it was a bit of a, 475 00:32:58,944 --> 00:33:01,124 I suppose you could think of it as value for value, QW. 476 00:33:01,664 --> 00:33:02,864 Angora is a new platform. 477 00:33:03,784 --> 00:33:06,924 I, you know, I'm doing this up and coming film series. 478 00:33:07,224 --> 00:33:08,944 So they were happy to feature me. 479 00:33:09,883 --> 00:33:12,784 And obviously I'm happy to be on a platform 480 00:33:12,784 --> 00:33:13,804 where I can raise funding. 481 00:33:14,664 --> 00:33:18,504 And they were generous in being one of the donors. 482 00:33:18,684 --> 00:33:20,544 And then a few other of our Bitcoin friends. 483 00:33:21,504 --> 00:33:23,024 Isn't that called the pleb wheel, Avi? 484 00:33:23,024 --> 00:33:25,883 I suppose it is, yes 485 00:33:25,883 --> 00:33:28,383 Shout out Open Mike 486 00:33:28,383 --> 00:33:29,604 He came through yesterday 487 00:33:29,604 --> 00:33:31,084 With a generous donation 488 00:33:31,084 --> 00:33:32,044 Thank you Open Mike 489 00:33:32,044 --> 00:33:34,304 Ben Howard 490 00:33:34,304 --> 00:33:35,324 A few others 491 00:33:35,324 --> 00:33:37,624 The way I set it up is 492 00:33:37,624 --> 00:33:39,004 Over a certain number 493 00:33:39,004 --> 00:33:41,184 I can't remember the exact number 494 00:33:41,184 --> 00:33:44,324 I'm trying to raise 6 million sats there 495 00:33:44,324 --> 00:33:45,624 For Paraguay 496 00:33:45,624 --> 00:33:48,764 There are some other costs 497 00:33:48,764 --> 00:33:50,084 That are being covered offline 498 00:33:50,084 --> 00:33:51,624 So 6 million sats 499 00:33:51,624 --> 00:33:53,164 which is, you know, about $7,000, 500 00:33:53,984 --> 00:33:54,804 will, believe it or not, 501 00:33:54,844 --> 00:33:56,924 actually covers the whole filming post-production. 502 00:33:57,383 --> 00:33:59,364 Incredibly, we're talking about hundreds of hours 503 00:33:59,364 --> 00:34:00,664 of work here, KW, right? 504 00:34:01,104 --> 00:34:03,264 You know this is the top, though, right now, 505 00:34:03,444 --> 00:34:04,804 the cycle top. 506 00:34:05,304 --> 00:34:07,284 The men are vlogging on Noster, 507 00:34:07,524 --> 00:34:09,304 so that's top signal right there. 508 00:34:10,264 --> 00:34:11,024 Are you worried? 509 00:34:11,144 --> 00:34:13,204 Are you trying to get these sats quicker than, 510 00:34:13,804 --> 00:34:15,844 you know, let's say you wait two or three months, 511 00:34:16,044 --> 00:34:18,284 we could be down to 58K, gang. 512 00:34:18,504 --> 00:34:20,484 Hey, man, one sat equals one sat. 513 00:34:20,484 --> 00:34:30,724 No, but honestly, though, 58K puts me in a really tough spot, QW, because I quit my job thinking that I have a few years, you know, a couple of years of runway. 514 00:34:31,464 --> 00:34:34,364 And that couple of years suddenly becomes six months. 515 00:34:35,444 --> 00:34:37,204 Max bidding, Avi, max bidding. 516 00:34:37,904 --> 00:34:38,064 Yeah. 517 00:34:39,424 --> 00:34:43,024 Hey, here's, you know what, just going back to the fiat job thing. 518 00:34:43,024 --> 00:34:46,584 I saw someone post a meme the other day 519 00:34:46,584 --> 00:34:48,024 but this is exactly my thinking 520 00:34:48,024 --> 00:34:51,383 which is the real risk is not taking a risk 521 00:34:51,383 --> 00:34:53,804 and I'd found myself in that spot 522 00:34:53,804 --> 00:34:55,224 you know early 40s 523 00:34:55,224 --> 00:34:58,904 just incredibly bitter, angry and resentful 524 00:34:58,904 --> 00:35:00,224 with being in the fiat world 525 00:35:00,224 --> 00:35:02,124 feeling like I was trapped 526 00:35:02,124 --> 00:35:04,084 you know we had Brandon Carpelle's 527 00:35:04,084 --> 00:35:17,555 Plebian on talking about this as well right guy you know just the standard almost seems like the standard formula for a male Bitcoiner in their late 30s early 40s 528 00:35:17,555 --> 00:35:19,916 who is in the fiat job. 529 00:35:21,295 --> 00:35:24,155 They just hit this existential wall 530 00:35:24,155 --> 00:35:25,495 and they're like, what am I doing? 531 00:35:25,595 --> 00:35:28,936 I feel like I have to do this to support my family. 532 00:35:28,936 --> 00:35:30,735 I don't want to rug pull my family. 533 00:35:30,735 --> 00:35:34,456 and you create all these walls around yourself. 534 00:35:34,595 --> 00:35:36,615 You live in the cage that you've built for yourself. 535 00:35:36,615 --> 00:35:42,175 And at some point, I reached that point where I said, 536 00:35:42,495 --> 00:35:45,635 the real risk I'm taking here is by not taking a risk 537 00:35:45,635 --> 00:35:51,675 and quitting fiat because I might die of stress or something, right? 538 00:35:52,135 --> 00:35:55,235 Who knows what's, I'm so miserable, I'm so stressed out. 539 00:35:55,295 --> 00:35:57,755 Who the hell knows what this is doing to me? 540 00:35:57,755 --> 00:36:08,635 um but yeah uh so going back to asuncion and paraguay uh so yeah big shout out to 541 00:36:08,635 --> 00:36:15,956 angor for coming through uh with a big donation uh there's another person i don't know if he wants 542 00:36:15,956 --> 00:36:21,255 to be named or not he's going to be the executive producer i can check with him but he's he's he's 543 00:36:21,255 --> 00:36:27,735 by far the biggest donor because he's doing some of the offline uh non-angor uh help as well with 544 00:36:27,735 --> 00:36:37,436 the filmography. So the way it's set up is 2 million sats gets you an executive producer title 545 00:36:37,436 --> 00:36:46,755 on the show. 1 million sats gets you associate producer. And then anything below that is you 546 00:36:46,755 --> 00:36:52,696 get a special thanks in the credit. But yeah, that's kind of where I am with Paraguay. It's 547 00:36:52,696 --> 00:36:57,376 in mid-September. It's going to coincide with the Accelerating Bitcoin Conference. 548 00:36:58,896 --> 00:37:04,675 And yeah. Accelerating Bitcoin Conference. Is that in? 549 00:37:05,715 --> 00:37:09,595 It is in Ascension. Yes. And I'll be speaking at that conference as well. 550 00:37:09,595 --> 00:37:19,815 Oh, nice. Nice. Some other big news happened, Avi. And I just read on MSN this morning 551 00:37:19,815 --> 00:37:24,775 that crypto lobbyists unveil Bitcoin policy think tank 552 00:37:24,775 --> 00:37:26,975 to mark India's independence day. 553 00:37:27,956 --> 00:37:30,335 Did it actually say crypto lobbyists? 554 00:37:30,495 --> 00:37:31,416 And was it actually Amazon? 555 00:37:31,416 --> 00:37:33,115 Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. 556 00:37:33,275 --> 00:37:34,416 I can put it in there. 557 00:37:34,936 --> 00:37:35,635 No, please don't. 558 00:37:37,975 --> 00:37:42,515 This is from a story by Cryptopolitan News. 559 00:37:43,175 --> 00:37:47,436 So I'm sure you've already signed up, 560 00:37:47,535 --> 00:37:49,095 subscribed to Cryptopolitan. 561 00:37:49,095 --> 00:37:50,475 news, Avi. 562 00:37:53,055 --> 00:37:55,555 But there was, you're actually quoted in this. 563 00:37:55,615 --> 00:37:56,575 So all I did was 564 00:37:56,575 --> 00:37:58,396 search 565 00:37:58,396 --> 00:38:00,275 Avi Burra 566 00:38:00,275 --> 00:38:02,876 and India 567 00:38:02,876 --> 00:38:05,595 and Bitcoin. And there it came. 568 00:38:06,416 --> 00:38:07,356 So you're quoted 569 00:38:07,356 --> 00:38:08,696 in this article, Avi. 570 00:38:10,575 --> 00:38:11,615 The point is 571 00:38:11,615 --> 00:38:13,436 you quit your fiat job and now you're 572 00:38:13,436 --> 00:38:14,575 getting quoted in 573 00:38:14,575 --> 00:38:16,896 Cryptopolitan news. 574 00:38:16,896 --> 00:38:20,675 So are you going up or down, Avi? 575 00:38:22,916 --> 00:38:23,475 Cryptopolitan. 576 00:38:23,675 --> 00:38:25,335 I've never heard of this publication. 577 00:38:25,655 --> 00:38:28,015 Maybe they mean cryptography. 578 00:38:29,295 --> 00:38:29,775 Clearly. 579 00:38:30,356 --> 00:38:30,755 Yeah, of course. 580 00:38:31,575 --> 00:38:34,315 They're enthusiasts of elliptic cryptography. 581 00:38:34,456 --> 00:38:35,475 That's where they got the name from. 582 00:38:35,735 --> 00:38:37,115 I will give them the benefit of doubt. 583 00:38:37,275 --> 00:38:44,715 Hey, but the actual cover art is the flag of India and a Bitcoin, an actual Bitcoin. 584 00:38:44,715 --> 00:38:46,595 So a tangible one. 585 00:38:46,896 --> 00:38:52,055 So there's no, if you're just looking based off of that, it's a very direct message. 586 00:38:52,995 --> 00:38:56,735 So talk about the Bitcoin Policy Institute. 587 00:38:57,515 --> 00:38:57,876 Yes. 588 00:38:57,876 --> 00:39:03,235 So just to refresh folks' memory, all for folks who are unaware of this, I was born in India. 589 00:39:03,376 --> 00:39:08,956 I spent my childhood, most of my young adulthood there before moving to the US. 590 00:39:09,155 --> 00:39:10,515 So I am Indian American. 591 00:39:10,515 --> 00:39:14,416 and one of the things, 592 00:39:14,995 --> 00:39:18,575 I've always been curious about Bitcoin adoption in India. 593 00:39:19,356 --> 00:39:21,135 Fiat Live just sucked everything out of me 594 00:39:21,135 --> 00:39:24,936 so the only thing I was able to focus on is this show 595 00:39:24,936 --> 00:39:27,535 and 24 while I was writing it 596 00:39:27,535 --> 00:39:30,275 and that's pretty much it from a Bitcoin standpoint. 597 00:39:30,515 --> 00:39:34,095 A little bit of shit posting on NOSTA every now and again 598 00:39:34,095 --> 00:39:35,936 but nothing beyond that. 599 00:39:35,936 --> 00:39:47,235 once I liberated myself from my fiat job, suddenly I had this vast green field of ideas that I could 600 00:39:47,235 --> 00:39:54,295 either create or existing ideas that I could explore. One of them was the idea of driving 601 00:39:54,295 --> 00:40:00,916 Bitcoin adoption in the country of my birth in India. So pretty much the day or two after I quit, 602 00:40:00,916 --> 00:40:17,916 I started reaching out to folks in the Indian Bitcoin scene to see if there had been any efforts underway in driving Bitcoin adoption, maybe a Bitcoin Policy Institute type idea as well. 603 00:40:19,916 --> 00:40:25,735 And, you know, there are Bitcoin grassroots efforts for Bitcoin education. 604 00:40:25,735 --> 00:40:31,976 there's BitShala and you know if uh in our layer two series QW I've had a couple of interviews 605 00:40:31,976 --> 00:40:38,335 with folks who who are part of BitShala there BitShala is this non-profit organization they've 606 00:40:38,335 --> 00:40:45,335 received grants from HRF and a few other of uh you know the the standard bitcoin donors and they're 607 00:40:45,335 --> 00:40:50,615 doing an amazing job of teaching people about bitcoin about self-custody and so on at a very 608 00:40:50,615 --> 00:40:57,995 very grassroots level. So there was that, and there have been some rumblings about we need to 609 00:40:57,995 --> 00:41:04,175 start educating politicians. There's a lot of stranded energy in India for mining. There's, 610 00:41:04,275 --> 00:41:13,535 you know, a few other areas. Obviously, QWS, as cypherpunks, or at least as people who resonate 611 00:41:13,535 --> 00:41:19,715 with the cypherpunk ethos, both you and I, right, the medium of exchange use cases, 612 00:41:19,715 --> 00:41:20,795 the closest to our hearts. 613 00:41:20,995 --> 00:41:24,335 I suspect I can speak for you when I say that as well. 614 00:41:26,115 --> 00:41:27,896 And I would love to do that. 615 00:41:28,896 --> 00:41:31,115 However, there are some unique challenges, 616 00:41:31,956 --> 00:41:34,175 primarily on the UX front. 617 00:41:35,155 --> 00:41:37,956 You know, our revolution has a bad UX, QW. 618 00:41:38,255 --> 00:41:41,195 Unfortunately, India's existing payment rails 619 00:41:41,195 --> 00:41:43,235 have an incredibly good UX. 620 00:41:43,356 --> 00:41:45,675 If you satisfy the fact that it's on fiat currency 621 00:41:45,675 --> 00:41:48,396 that's getting debased by the day, 622 00:41:48,396 --> 00:41:51,115 the UX itself is remarkable. 623 00:41:51,376 --> 00:41:54,456 You go to a coconut vendor, like a stall, 624 00:41:55,155 --> 00:41:58,155 one of those push carts in a little village 625 00:41:58,155 --> 00:42:00,956 and they have a QR code on the stall. 626 00:42:01,135 --> 00:42:05,035 All you have to do is open up one of your payment apps, 627 00:42:05,115 --> 00:42:06,575 you scan the QR code and boom, 628 00:42:06,956 --> 00:42:09,655 the rupees land in a fraction of a second. 629 00:42:09,655 --> 00:42:13,896 And all of this is possible because of a coordinated 630 00:42:13,896 --> 00:42:16,155 and centralized effort by the government of India 631 00:42:16,155 --> 00:42:22,856 to roll out these APIs as part of what they call the unified payment interface in India, the UPI. 632 00:42:23,315 --> 00:42:28,295 So it is a government initiative to create API standards 633 00:42:28,295 --> 00:42:31,735 so that private companies could then build against those standards. 634 00:42:31,735 --> 00:42:38,356 So you can think of, I don't think there's actually an analogy in the US, right? 635 00:42:38,835 --> 00:42:42,835 I don't see Washington, D.C. rolling out a centralized payment standard 636 00:42:42,835 --> 00:42:46,015 that companies like Stripe and others would build against. 637 00:42:46,155 --> 00:42:55,275 But basically what it is, is it's payment rails, completely centralized, but any private company can build an interface to those rails. 638 00:42:55,575 --> 00:43:01,456 So you can download that private company's app and it's connected to your bank account. 639 00:43:01,615 --> 00:43:07,856 Wherever you see one of these QR codes, you scan them, boom, you know, the payment happens. 640 00:43:07,856 --> 00:43:12,916 So long way of saying the UX is excellent when it comes to payments. 641 00:43:12,916 --> 00:43:23,135 So I think it will be a challenge to introduce Lightning, which arguably has a slightly worse UX just in terms of lag. 642 00:43:24,155 --> 00:43:27,075 You know, there's two or three second lag sometimes in Lightning. 643 00:43:27,275 --> 00:43:31,135 You get the occasional failed payment, right, because it is decentralized. 644 00:43:31,515 --> 00:43:33,856 And it's just hard to get right every single time. 645 00:43:34,115 --> 00:43:39,876 It's way better than Venmo and anything else that we have in the U.S., better than credit cards and so on. 646 00:43:39,876 --> 00:43:42,495 But it's not better than from a UX standpoint. 647 00:43:42,916 --> 00:43:49,535 what exists in India today. So that, while I would love to do that, I think that one 648 00:43:49,535 --> 00:43:55,675 is lowered down in the priority list. And by the way, I want to make a distinction between 649 00:43:55,675 --> 00:44:01,356 priority and importance. Something can be incredibly important from this revolution, 650 00:44:01,495 --> 00:44:08,555 from this culture standpoint. But priority means what is the easiest one we can get over the line 651 00:44:08,555 --> 00:44:09,635 to drive adoption, right? 652 00:44:09,995 --> 00:44:11,775 Just because we prioritize something 653 00:44:11,775 --> 00:44:14,615 ahead of something else 654 00:44:14,615 --> 00:44:16,715 doesn't mean it's any more or less important. 655 00:44:16,815 --> 00:44:18,035 It just means this is probably 656 00:44:18,035 --> 00:44:20,275 the lower hanging fruit to attack. 657 00:44:20,715 --> 00:44:22,595 So it's like Dave Ramsey. 658 00:44:22,735 --> 00:44:24,255 When you pay off your debt, 659 00:44:24,495 --> 00:44:25,976 you take the smallest one first, 660 00:44:26,255 --> 00:44:27,495 the debt snowball. 661 00:44:27,896 --> 00:44:29,635 It's really the priority snowball. 662 00:44:30,396 --> 00:44:30,995 Right, exactly. 663 00:44:31,896 --> 00:44:34,856 So yeah, so I've talked to a whole bunch of folks, 664 00:44:35,015 --> 00:44:36,456 understood the issues that were there, 665 00:44:36,456 --> 00:44:44,215 and then put our heads together and launched the Bitcoin Policy Institute of India. 666 00:44:44,835 --> 00:44:51,476 It was launched yesterday at 2.30 p.m. Eastern time on August 14th, 667 00:44:51,476 --> 00:44:54,376 which seems like a fairly innocuous time. 668 00:44:55,175 --> 00:44:56,795 You know, there was an article in Bitcoin magazine. 669 00:44:57,535 --> 00:45:04,595 A good friend, my good friend Frank Korva wrote that article covering this issue 670 00:45:04,595 --> 00:45:08,235 like a press release type thing. 671 00:45:10,015 --> 00:45:13,295 And 2.30 Eastern time on August 14th 672 00:45:13,295 --> 00:45:14,775 seems fairly innocuous, 673 00:45:14,995 --> 00:45:17,055 but in Indian Standard Time, 674 00:45:17,175 --> 00:45:21,635 it was the stroke of midnight on August 15th, 675 00:45:21,635 --> 00:45:24,595 which is India's Independence Day. 676 00:45:25,035 --> 00:45:29,055 So 78 or 79 years ago on August, 677 00:45:29,795 --> 00:45:30,876 or 78 years ago, 678 00:45:31,615 --> 00:45:34,416 on August 15th at the stroke of midnight 679 00:45:34,416 --> 00:45:41,495 in 1947, India gained its independence from the British Empire. And the first Prime Minister of 680 00:45:41,495 --> 00:45:49,695 India, Jawaharlal Nehru, he got up in Parliament and made a speech, again, at the stroke of midnight, 681 00:45:49,795 --> 00:45:54,916 a very famous speech, probably one of the most famous ones in recent Indian history. 682 00:45:56,075 --> 00:46:02,575 So that symbolic time was chosen to launch the Bitcoin Policy Institute India, right? On the day 683 00:46:02,575 --> 00:46:08,055 India gained its independence, we're launching this effort for India to gain its financial 684 00:46:08,055 --> 00:46:16,995 sovereignty. Independence days are big for you, Avi. That's right. It's been a theme in 2025. 685 00:46:17,936 --> 00:46:25,396 I gained my freedom from fiat and I launched with a few others, the Bitcoin Policy Institute 686 00:46:25,396 --> 00:46:31,775 of India. So just real quick on that, the five pillars that we're going to be targeting 687 00:46:31,775 --> 00:46:40,075 and again these are roughly in order of priority again i should underline priority and not importance 688 00:46:40,075 --> 00:46:46,795 right so the first is a sovereign mining initiative and we're going to work at the 689 00:46:46,795 --> 00:46:52,055 state by state level to come up with ways in which they can convert stranded energy 690 00:46:52,447 --> 00:46:55,527 essentially use that for mining. 691 00:46:55,907 --> 00:46:57,267 And here's a fun fact, QW. 692 00:46:58,747 --> 00:47:01,167 It actually blew my mind when I read this. 693 00:47:01,687 --> 00:47:03,847 The amount of stranded and wasted energy in India, 694 00:47:03,987 --> 00:47:06,427 if that was all diverted into Bitcoin mining 695 00:47:06,427 --> 00:47:08,387 in this halving epoch, 696 00:47:08,427 --> 00:47:09,707 right in the current one that we're in, 697 00:47:10,347 --> 00:47:12,767 it would result in 150,000, 698 00:47:12,987 --> 00:47:14,927 give or take, Bitcoin per year. 699 00:47:16,507 --> 00:47:18,747 That's how much is being left on the table 700 00:47:18,747 --> 00:47:19,787 in this wasted energy. 701 00:47:19,787 --> 00:47:24,707 Which happens to be your project's production goal by 2030. 702 00:47:25,307 --> 00:47:26,307 Right, yes. 703 00:47:29,067 --> 00:47:30,047 150,000. 704 00:47:30,067 --> 00:47:34,327 Per the cryptopolitan. 705 00:47:35,007 --> 00:47:36,507 I need to hear from you, Avi. 706 00:47:37,287 --> 00:47:43,127 I don't know if that's the project's goal, to get that much Bitcoin for ourselves. 707 00:47:43,207 --> 00:47:44,647 It's a non-profit, after all. 708 00:47:44,667 --> 00:47:46,187 No, yeah, of course, no. 709 00:47:46,187 --> 00:48:00,687 The goal is to be able to mobilize as much of this, right, if the TAM, right, if the total addressable market here is 150,000 Bitcoin, by the way, that will drop to 75,000, right, in a couple of years. 710 00:48:01,207 --> 00:48:05,007 And those projections are based off the current hash rate and the price. 711 00:48:05,947 --> 00:48:10,067 I mean, the difficulty, blah, blah, blah, you know. 712 00:48:10,067 --> 00:48:16,967 So it's tough to really be completely, you know, it's the goal. 713 00:48:17,607 --> 00:48:18,167 It's the goal. 714 00:48:18,607 --> 00:48:20,227 It's to lock that in. 715 00:48:20,467 --> 00:48:20,787 Yes, yes. 716 00:48:21,247 --> 00:48:24,707 Even if you did half of that, that'd be incredible, you know. 717 00:48:25,267 --> 00:48:26,227 Oh, yeah, yeah. 718 00:48:26,327 --> 00:48:28,407 It's more about pushing that. 719 00:48:28,547 --> 00:48:31,927 And then the second thing is, you know, this is a BRICS nation, right? 720 00:48:32,427 --> 00:48:33,287 Mm-hmm, that's correct. 721 00:48:33,967 --> 00:48:39,007 Yeah, so, and I don't think there's any other BRICS nations that, you know, I did notice, 722 00:48:39,007 --> 00:48:40,467 I know Russia's part of it. 723 00:48:40,527 --> 00:48:43,387 There was a lot of Bitcoin Google searches. 724 00:48:43,907 --> 00:48:48,207 I saw some statistics where Russia is really high up there. 725 00:48:48,207 --> 00:48:59,667 But I'm trying to think of other states that have countries that have any kind of Bitcoin adoption, really, especially being contrary to the U.S. dollar. 726 00:49:01,087 --> 00:49:07,447 I'm sure there are education initiatives and little cypherpunk holdouts in all of these countries, right? 727 00:49:07,447 --> 00:49:12,407 But yeah, I don't think there's any widespread adoption 728 00:49:12,407 --> 00:49:16,727 or even talk at the government level about taking this up. 729 00:49:16,827 --> 00:49:18,647 There isn't yet in India either, right? 730 00:49:19,347 --> 00:49:24,187 So this is part of that, to get that conversation going 731 00:49:24,187 --> 00:49:26,647 through data-driven research, right? 732 00:49:26,927 --> 00:49:31,547 This is not about dunking on people on X with memes 733 00:49:31,547 --> 00:49:33,567 and fun as that can be. 734 00:49:33,567 --> 00:49:41,867 this is about putting logic data evidence in front of folks saying and and this is why the 735 00:49:41,867 --> 00:49:47,027 mining thing is just is a no-brainer you go you go to a government and say look how much money 736 00:49:47,027 --> 00:49:51,787 you're leaving on the table and they're going to say oh yeah how do we get that so that's again 737 00:49:51,787 --> 00:49:57,367 just to clarify here it's such a litmus test because people are so about being green and then 738 00:49:57,367 --> 00:50:03,227 you have this option to you know stabilize your your power grid by taking excess you know you're 739 00:50:03,227 --> 00:50:09,647 going to even put power back into the grid you can take your waste or your uh your methane or your 740 00:50:09,647 --> 00:50:15,067 and turn that into there's all this stranded energy and it's like we can be producing 741 00:50:15,067 --> 00:50:25,087 i mean economically and also solving a real world problem and it's really a litmus test of 742 00:50:25,087 --> 00:50:26,487 Why aren't you doing it? 743 00:50:27,107 --> 00:50:27,227 Yeah. 744 00:50:28,027 --> 00:50:28,507 Yeah. 745 00:50:28,627 --> 00:50:46,627 And, you know, I'm sure you've heard about Bhutan, Kira Bibi, the little Himalayan nation that's essentially through mining, all their excess hydroelectric power has built up a bit on strategic reserve, which they're using to, I think they paid down a bunch of their debt. 746 00:50:46,927 --> 00:50:47,887 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 747 00:50:47,907 --> 00:50:49,967 They've been the secret miners for years. 748 00:50:50,767 --> 00:50:51,207 For years. 749 00:50:51,207 --> 00:50:53,447 So Bhutan is a neighboring country of India. 750 00:50:53,447 --> 00:50:58,327 So there are a couple of states that are right there, very similar geographies, very similar. 751 00:50:58,727 --> 00:51:03,967 I think it might even be the same river that flows through, that creates all the hydroelectric power. 752 00:51:05,427 --> 00:51:07,567 So there are opportunities like that. 753 00:51:07,627 --> 00:51:15,427 There's a major sun belt in the center of the country with potential for solar, right? 754 00:51:15,487 --> 00:51:19,107 I mean, solar has its own issues, but there is that potential, right? 755 00:51:19,687 --> 00:51:21,027 There's a lot of sun there. 756 00:51:21,027 --> 00:51:24,207 so yeah I think mining is one 757 00:51:24,207 --> 00:51:26,207 I do want to clarify one thing Kirabi 758 00:51:26,207 --> 00:51:28,427 which is this Bitcoin Policy Institute 759 00:51:28,427 --> 00:51:30,167 India is a think tank right 760 00:51:30,167 --> 00:51:32,207 so we will not be doing any of these 761 00:51:32,207 --> 00:51:34,407 activities there will not be a product 762 00:51:34,407 --> 00:51:35,447 developed 763 00:51:35,447 --> 00:51:38,847 it's going to be 764 00:51:38,847 --> 00:51:40,867 research, reports 765 00:51:40,867 --> 00:51:41,547 guidance 766 00:51:41,547 --> 00:51:44,667 and education on these topics 767 00:51:44,667 --> 00:51:46,347 yeah 768 00:51:46,347 --> 00:51:47,727 like green peas 769 00:51:47,727 --> 00:51:52,007 Orange piece 770 00:51:52,007 --> 00:51:55,467 One UTXO transaction drains a swimming pool 771 00:51:55,467 --> 00:52:02,907 So sovereign mining is the first pillar we're going to tackle 772 00:52:02,907 --> 00:52:05,487 But it's also going to be policy, advocacy and research 773 00:52:05,487 --> 00:52:15,847 We will start working with both state and federal ministers, regulators, bureaucrats 774 00:52:15,847 --> 00:52:18,767 to start the education process, 775 00:52:19,007 --> 00:52:23,747 conversation around better tax treatment and so on. 776 00:52:23,887 --> 00:52:24,927 So there's that. 777 00:52:25,047 --> 00:52:27,387 There's the Strategic Reserve Initiative. 778 00:52:27,867 --> 00:52:28,767 This is the third pillar, 779 00:52:29,527 --> 00:52:31,847 which is both at the corporate level. 780 00:52:32,787 --> 00:52:35,607 And there is one company that's public in India. 781 00:52:35,707 --> 00:52:36,547 It's called Jet King. 782 00:52:36,687 --> 00:52:39,227 And they're trying to emulate the micro strategy playbook. 783 00:52:39,227 --> 00:52:43,667 But maybe our goal is to come up with a CFO playbook 784 00:52:43,667 --> 00:52:45,667 that's applicable to other such companies 785 00:52:45,667 --> 00:52:48,547 that want to go down the corporate treasury route, 786 00:52:48,547 --> 00:52:53,127 but also to the states and the federal government as well 787 00:52:53,127 --> 00:52:55,127 that might be thinking about a strategic reserve. 788 00:52:55,307 --> 00:52:57,347 I mean, we have states doing it, 789 00:52:57,407 --> 00:53:00,927 or at least attempting to do strategic reserves in the U.S. 790 00:53:01,347 --> 00:53:05,047 Did Arizona's just get vetoed recently, KW? 791 00:53:05,927 --> 00:53:08,627 Yeah, it's a joke. Yeah, it was all a joke. 792 00:53:09,427 --> 00:53:14,667 But, you know, it's similar in thinking, right? 793 00:53:14,667 --> 00:53:21,567 You can have a federal strategic reserve, which is what sort of Besant, Treasury Secretary Besant hinted at yesterday, I think. 794 00:53:22,247 --> 00:53:24,187 And then you can have the state level reserve. 795 00:53:24,187 --> 00:53:30,167 And then you can extend that to private company reserves. 796 00:53:30,407 --> 00:53:32,167 So that's the strategic reserve initiative. 797 00:53:32,527 --> 00:53:39,727 Then just the general education, grassroots efforts, working with the existing folks at Bitshala and others. 798 00:53:39,727 --> 00:53:46,807 right more public-minded education promoting financial literacy and then the last one is 799 00:53:46,807 --> 00:53:54,687 the medium of exchange which is integration with this upi the unified payments interface 800 00:53:54,687 --> 00:53:58,907 which i just mentioned earlier you know these qr codes wouldn't it be nice if he could 801 00:53:58,907 --> 00:54:05,587 now these government apis are not as far as i understand not open source uh why would they be 802 00:54:05,587 --> 00:54:06,607 their government APIs. 803 00:54:07,367 --> 00:54:11,167 But if there was a way in which we could integrate Lightning, 804 00:54:11,427 --> 00:54:13,667 so when you scan the QR code, you get two options. 805 00:54:13,767 --> 00:54:16,267 You say pay with your Fiat app or pay with Lightning. 806 00:54:17,007 --> 00:54:18,687 Wouldn't that be cool if you could do that? 807 00:54:19,367 --> 00:54:23,007 But I think that one, while I think is the big one for me, 808 00:54:23,467 --> 00:54:26,247 from an impact standpoint, from a priority standpoint, 809 00:54:26,467 --> 00:54:28,927 today I suspect it's a non-starter. 810 00:54:29,307 --> 00:54:34,147 I think we need the domino effect of the first four pillars 811 00:54:34,147 --> 00:54:37,347 to fall into place before we can even approach this conversation. 812 00:54:40,767 --> 00:54:42,707 So those are big ideas, Avi. 813 00:54:43,147 --> 00:54:49,507 And it's, do you, how big is the team, I suppose, in the institute? 814 00:54:50,247 --> 00:55:02,122 It so I the only one based in the US Everyone else but there about six or seven in the core team who actually committed time 815 00:55:02,122 --> 00:55:05,102 to building out the assets on the website, 816 00:55:05,282 --> 00:55:06,982 who are going to be working on the report. 817 00:55:07,782 --> 00:55:09,462 So our immediate next step is we're going to put out 818 00:55:09,462 --> 00:55:15,042 a mining report in the next month, let's just say, right? 819 00:55:16,542 --> 00:55:18,322 So they're going to be helping out with that. 820 00:55:18,882 --> 00:55:20,022 There's about six or seven folks. 821 00:55:20,022 --> 00:55:29,842 And then there's a much broader group of advisors and others who have been part of phone calls and who have been adding their input as well. 822 00:55:29,922 --> 00:55:33,522 I mean, that's in the 20s or maybe even up to 30 people. 823 00:55:34,122 --> 00:55:37,762 So think of it as two concentric circles as things stand. 824 00:55:38,382 --> 00:55:47,382 The core group of six or seven folks, myself included, and then the next concentric circle, next layer outside, is the advisors and the people who want this to succeed. 825 00:55:47,382 --> 00:55:51,482 but maybe can't commit as much time as some of the others are. 826 00:55:54,142 --> 00:56:00,122 So between the India series, Layer 2, Club Chain Radio, 827 00:56:00,862 --> 00:56:05,842 and now this, how much are you finding home, Avi? 828 00:56:09,522 --> 00:56:11,622 I'll have to make the show to find out, QW. 829 00:56:11,902 --> 00:56:15,502 I think this show is my journey to find my home. 830 00:56:15,502 --> 00:56:24,722 um so we'll see yeah yeah it's interesting uh and and you know july 4th of july was your 831 00:56:24,722 --> 00:56:32,922 independence day and now you're just hitting on all cylinders uh hopefully this all works out 832 00:56:32,922 --> 00:56:38,022 um yeah if only i can get paid for all of this amazing work that i'm doing you know wouldn't 833 00:56:38,022 --> 00:56:43,062 be nice it's right now it's just these are passion projects which now but but no but jokes aside 834 00:56:43,062 --> 00:56:45,602 I think this is one of the things with Bitcoin. 835 00:56:45,782 --> 00:56:48,682 I wish Bitcoin was at a million and I could have said, 836 00:56:48,802 --> 00:56:54,482 hey, now I am truly, truly, I don't need a job ever in my life. 837 00:56:54,582 --> 00:56:55,942 If Bitcoin stays above a million. 838 00:56:56,822 --> 00:56:59,722 At 100K, it's a big risk that I've taken 839 00:56:59,722 --> 00:57:03,602 and the Bitcoin will run out in the not too distant future. 840 00:57:04,522 --> 00:57:05,842 But it's still fun, man. 841 00:57:06,082 --> 00:57:11,142 It's fun doing this and we'll see how it goes. 842 00:57:13,062 --> 00:57:17,182 How many more projects can you take on right now before you leave me? 843 00:57:21,202 --> 00:57:23,322 So I'll answer the first part of the question. 844 00:57:23,482 --> 00:57:29,102 The second part is I probably have another one or two in me. 845 00:57:29,202 --> 00:57:32,462 Now, it's got to be something that truly, oh, there's Nosfabrica. 846 00:57:32,682 --> 00:57:33,822 Let's not forget Nosfabrica. 847 00:57:34,682 --> 00:57:39,122 My healthcare or NOSTA thing, that's still active and going. 848 00:57:39,682 --> 00:57:40,862 So I've still got that one. 849 00:57:40,862 --> 00:57:42,082 but 850 00:57:42,082 --> 00:57:46,662 yeah I think I still have 851 00:57:46,662 --> 00:57:48,362 two more in the tank 852 00:57:48,362 --> 00:57:50,722 if they do come by, if they resonate 853 00:57:50,722 --> 00:57:51,482 and they're meaningful 854 00:57:51,482 --> 00:57:53,282 wow 855 00:57:53,282 --> 00:57:56,822 that's incredible man 856 00:57:56,822 --> 00:57:58,722 my biggest update 857 00:57:58,722 --> 00:58:00,962 yeah let's talk about you 858 00:58:00,962 --> 00:58:02,362 I started building out 859 00:58:02,362 --> 00:58:05,042 this cabinet around my 860 00:58:05,042 --> 00:58:07,142 refrigerator and I found 861 00:58:07,142 --> 00:58:07,862 out what a 862 00:58:07,862 --> 00:58:10,702 basically 863 00:58:10,702 --> 00:58:18,442 using a, not a table saw, but a, I can't even think of the name of it anymore. But that's, 864 00:58:18,522 --> 00:58:22,722 that's what I'm doing. I got a two and a half year old. I'm trying to do woodworking while he 865 00:58:22,722 --> 00:58:29,922 takes naps, which doesn't work. I'm congregating a community for the Alliance so we can do 866 00:58:29,922 --> 00:58:36,842 BIDACs, you know, solo miners that actually come together and create a community of learning, 867 00:58:36,842 --> 00:58:44,082 having fun. But yeah, I mean, really, I'm just kind of the average Joe right now. 868 00:58:44,582 --> 00:58:49,842 Currently, family business. I'm in the process of kind of migrating to 869 00:58:50,602 --> 00:59:00,362 take it on fully. So there's a lot of hats I wear. And I guess I'm just your blue collar 870 00:59:00,362 --> 00:59:02,622 podcaster right now. 871 00:59:03,022 --> 00:59:04,042 Now, hold on, QW. 872 00:59:04,182 --> 00:59:06,402 So you've been involved 873 00:59:06,402 --> 00:59:08,282 or you've been getting involved quite a bit 874 00:59:08,282 --> 00:59:10,562 on two fronts on the Bitcoin side, right? 875 00:59:10,582 --> 00:59:11,662 And you've been doing a lot of work. 876 00:59:11,762 --> 00:59:14,222 One is on the, let's just call it 877 00:59:14,222 --> 00:59:16,122 the sovereign mining, sovereign hashing, 878 00:59:16,722 --> 00:59:18,182 right, at the individual level. 879 00:59:18,462 --> 00:59:19,802 And then, and then, 880 00:59:19,982 --> 00:59:21,582 and you've been digging in quite a bit 881 00:59:21,582 --> 00:59:23,002 on the privacy side. 882 00:59:23,202 --> 00:59:24,822 So why don't you talk about, 883 00:59:25,382 --> 00:59:27,662 maybe we start with all the work you're doing 884 00:59:27,662 --> 00:59:29,982 on the Bitax and on the Wrigley side. 885 00:59:29,982 --> 00:59:31,202 and then we can move to the privacy. 886 00:59:32,002 --> 00:59:34,542 Yeah, so it all started with one. 887 00:59:34,542 --> 00:59:37,082 I think anybody that gets a bid axe, 888 00:59:38,122 --> 00:59:43,322 it's something that mining has always been out of touch. 889 00:59:43,462 --> 00:59:44,742 It's always been something like, 890 00:59:44,842 --> 00:59:47,262 if I was doing this 10 years ago, it would make sense. 891 00:59:48,122 --> 00:59:49,422 You get an ASIC, 892 00:59:49,782 --> 00:59:52,022 and once they switched over to ASIC mining, 893 00:59:52,642 --> 00:59:54,162 everything's loud, it's hot. 894 00:59:54,522 --> 00:59:57,502 It's not something you would just have at your home 895 00:59:57,502 --> 01:00:00,102 with a toddler sleeping in the next room. 896 01:00:00,422 --> 01:00:03,462 So really what the game changer for me was, 897 01:00:03,462 --> 01:00:08,842 was these silent, you know, 10, 1.2, 1.5 terahash, 898 01:00:08,962 --> 01:00:10,562 just silent little hashers. 899 01:00:10,822 --> 01:00:13,102 But the process of setting it up, 900 01:00:13,422 --> 01:00:14,642 actually choosing your pool, 901 01:00:15,322 --> 01:00:18,082 understanding your, you know, your joules per terahash, 902 01:00:18,242 --> 01:00:21,042 your terahash, the different speeds 903 01:00:21,042 --> 01:00:22,522 or the different hash rates. 904 01:00:23,402 --> 01:00:26,402 It's just really neat to actually learn more about it. 905 01:00:26,402 --> 01:00:32,642 Just like when you first did your first transaction sending to a cold storage wallet, you start to understand, oh, wow, that's neat. 906 01:00:32,702 --> 01:00:33,902 Or you set up your node. 907 01:00:34,782 --> 01:00:38,822 These are all votes in the network, and you can participate in it. 908 01:00:38,822 --> 01:00:47,242 When we look at that 51% attack on Monero, and maybe that was testing or maybe it wasn't a 51% attack. 909 01:00:47,502 --> 01:00:47,782 I don't know. 910 01:00:47,822 --> 01:00:50,082 I've seen multiple different ideas on it. 911 01:00:50,122 --> 01:00:55,662 But the fact that people can sit back and be complacent in a way is very compliant. 912 01:00:55,662 --> 01:01:11,122 So if you're not putting your vote out there in the network using a miner, running a node and choosing your core, nots, or maybe you want to run your own instance of Bitcoin core, these are ways you can participate, but no one does. 913 01:01:11,122 --> 01:01:17,842 They'll just keep their money on Coinbase or they'll just float it around, whatever. 914 01:01:19,602 --> 01:01:21,402 That's not going to protect the network. 915 01:01:21,542 --> 01:01:24,042 That's not going to protect Bitcoin in the future. 916 01:01:24,042 --> 01:01:29,402 and the more we can participate or find little ways that, you know, the little average Joe can 917 01:01:29,402 --> 01:01:36,422 participate. That's what's important to me. And I think, you know, when I look at the long-term 918 01:01:36,422 --> 01:01:41,682 of it, when I see the cost of energy, when I think about the next halving going to one point, 919 01:01:42,222 --> 01:01:50,182 you know, to whatever the hell 3.125 divided by two is, there's a lot of pain involved for the 920 01:01:50,182 --> 01:01:55,942 future of centralized mining. And what that does is create an opportunity for these little guys to, 921 01:01:56,622 --> 01:02:02,282 you know, your vote gets more and more powerful over time because we essentially have nothing to 922 01:02:02,282 --> 01:02:07,762 lose. When I say nothing to lose, it's the cost of a light bulb. It's buying a bid axe for $90. 923 01:02:08,482 --> 01:02:11,842 You know, you can get them for even cheaper than that. It doesn't necessarily have to be a bid axe 924 01:02:11,842 --> 01:02:16,962 either, but you're casting your vote. You have nothing to lose besides the cost of a light bulb. 925 01:02:16,962 --> 01:02:20,222 and you're going up against these centralized forces 926 01:02:20,222 --> 01:02:22,182 that have a lot to lose. 927 01:02:22,362 --> 01:02:23,922 They're worried about the next halving. 928 01:02:24,102 --> 01:02:27,562 They're worried about the kilowatt hour price. 929 01:02:28,282 --> 01:02:30,482 They're worried about their local jurisdictions, 930 01:02:31,042 --> 01:02:34,882 whatever might change the shift, their future. 931 01:02:35,262 --> 01:02:37,662 They're worried about their stockholders, their shareholders. 932 01:02:38,662 --> 01:02:42,662 And all these things that come with that conglomerate 933 01:02:42,662 --> 01:02:45,322 is something that Bitcoin is beautiful about 934 01:02:45,322 --> 01:02:49,762 because we can just be decentralized and hash away. 935 01:02:50,002 --> 01:02:52,662 And I think there's something very powerful the same way 936 01:02:53,222 --> 01:03:03,518 when I started running a bit axe was the same way I felt when I started running a node And it very possible for anybody to do it now And I want to share that I want to share that feeling 937 01:03:03,678 --> 01:03:05,358 I want to be part of the community. 938 01:03:05,578 --> 01:03:06,918 I want to help people do it. 939 01:03:07,418 --> 01:03:11,158 And that's just, I think it's a very pure stance. 940 01:03:11,518 --> 01:03:13,298 And it's very principled. 941 01:03:14,058 --> 01:03:18,918 You know, one of the things you do really well, KW, is you rally the troops, right? 942 01:03:18,918 --> 01:03:20,918 You've shown this with the Zapathon. 943 01:03:21,118 --> 01:03:22,938 You've shown this with, actually, before the Zapathon. 944 01:03:23,038 --> 01:03:25,938 with the blockchain hashtag on Noster. 945 01:03:26,098 --> 01:03:28,198 And I think you're taking that skill 946 01:03:28,198 --> 01:03:32,758 and applying it to these Bitax folks 947 01:03:32,758 --> 01:03:37,898 who might otherwise have just been pieces of driftwood 948 01:03:37,898 --> 01:03:39,978 doing their own thing, 949 01:03:40,098 --> 01:03:41,338 but you're sort of bringing them together. 950 01:03:41,698 --> 01:03:43,898 You're bringing these hashes on Wrigley together. 951 01:03:43,898 --> 01:03:49,198 Maybe they don't want to have a Bitax, 952 01:03:49,198 --> 01:03:55,678 but they're willing to buy hash from a farm somewhere in Africa, for instance. 953 01:03:55,938 --> 01:03:58,618 We're currently, like if we look at our pool right now, 954 01:03:58,658 --> 01:04:04,218 we're about 125 workers and almost 500, around 500 terahash. 955 01:04:05,418 --> 01:04:08,097 And these are all just regular people. 956 01:04:08,718 --> 01:04:12,278 We have a telegram group that has over 300 people in it now. 957 01:04:12,638 --> 01:04:13,638 This was nothing. 958 01:04:14,218 --> 01:04:16,538 There was like, you know, there was nothing. 959 01:04:16,538 --> 01:04:24,058 when it wasn't a block party, it was nothing. It was very minimal in this pool. So creating this 960 01:04:24,058 --> 01:04:28,858 environment where number one, so if you have a bid X and you just joined public pool, which is 961 01:04:28,858 --> 01:04:34,138 your standard solo mining pool that kind of comes with the bid X, you put it in your corner, it's a 962 01:04:34,138 --> 01:04:38,758 talking piece. And, you know, Avi, you would put one up and you just have it in the corner. What's 963 01:04:38,758 --> 01:04:44,678 that? Oh, it's a mining Bitcoin. Well, how much you making? And you're like, really, that's all it 964 01:04:44,678 --> 01:04:50,458 is. It's just a talking piece. And you have your lotto. But when you can actually communicate and 965 01:04:50,458 --> 01:04:58,398 put this into a bigger group, we have our bounty rules. We have our bounty. So when it's not a 966 01:04:58,398 --> 01:05:04,798 block party, whoever finds in this pool, whoever finds the Bitcoin or solves it, gets one Bitcoin. 967 01:05:04,938 --> 01:05:10,878 The rest is spread out with the pool. Never found one yet. We will one day, hopefully. But 968 01:05:10,878 --> 01:05:17,238 you know, that's cool. So that bounty area is neat. The community is neat. But then you have 969 01:05:17,238 --> 01:05:24,658 that every second Saturday or twice, you know, basically every second Saturday, we have the 970 01:05:24,658 --> 01:05:33,978 block party, which surges a hash rate into the pool for like six hours. So it kind of gamifies 971 01:05:33,978 --> 01:05:39,818 mining. So it makes it fun. You can update your rigs and you, you know, get ready for the next 972 01:05:39,818 --> 01:05:48,498 block party. But it really draws in the community. And the thing is, we're all just plebs. It's not 973 01:05:48,498 --> 01:05:54,418 like a bunch of people with heavy jargon. You know, we're trying to help everyone. We're trying 974 01:05:54,418 --> 01:06:00,938 to get people onto the pool. And, you know, we share pictures. We share updates on what we're 975 01:06:00,938 --> 01:06:06,858 finding out. We're calibrating our devices. We're just really learning through experience on 976 01:06:06,858 --> 01:06:18,298 And not your freaking ASIC farm type of learning, but your bid acts or whatever solo mining you're doing. 977 01:06:18,638 --> 01:06:19,298 So I don't know. 978 01:06:19,818 --> 01:06:20,738 That's really it. 979 01:06:20,738 --> 01:06:21,798 I'm kind of ranting about it. 980 01:06:21,878 --> 01:06:23,558 But it is neat. 981 01:06:23,558 --> 01:06:29,738 And I think it was definitely a moment where you're like, wow, I never knew this. 982 01:06:29,738 --> 01:06:33,938 and I can actually take part in this dark side of Bitcoin 983 01:06:33,938 --> 01:06:37,138 that seemed like it was always for corporations at this point. 984 01:06:37,918 --> 01:06:43,438 And a lot of these folks seem like diehard radicals, 985 01:06:43,498 --> 01:06:46,178 but I mean that in a good way, 986 01:06:46,178 --> 01:06:49,478 but they just seem pretty hardcore folks 987 01:06:49,478 --> 01:06:50,758 when it comes to these things, right? 988 01:06:51,078 --> 01:06:54,318 It does tend to gravitate the BitX community, 989 01:06:54,638 --> 01:06:57,958 especially both because it started really on Noster, 990 01:06:57,958 --> 01:07:04,458 but we definitely get some pretty good hardcore cypherpunk type minds 991 01:07:04,458 --> 01:07:06,858 and people that actually care about Bitcoin. 992 01:07:07,438 --> 01:07:08,898 It's never really number go up. 993 01:07:09,158 --> 01:07:14,337 Really blockchain radio style culture that we try to gravitate to. 994 01:07:14,878 --> 01:07:19,998 I do say CryptoCloaks, our buddy Rick, he created that alliance stand 995 01:07:19,998 --> 01:07:27,658 and now he's actually laser engraving onto BitX motherboards. 996 01:07:27,958 --> 01:07:35,078 uh, the Alliance grows stronger. Uh, he's, he's, he's, he's going above and beyond, uh, for the 997 01:07:35,078 --> 01:07:39,878 community because he's like, this is a great community. I really want to do things for it. 998 01:07:40,258 --> 01:07:46,718 Um, but he's doing a bit X get a giveaway today on X. It was an Alliance bit X. It says Alliance 999 01:07:46,718 --> 01:07:52,018 grows stronger right on the motherboard. Uh, it's a really sweet unit. And he's, he's doing a 1000 01:07:52,018 --> 01:07:57,718 giveaway today and thank you, Rick, because you didn't have to do it. No one asked you to do it. 1001 01:07:57,958 --> 01:08:12,358 He just been a freaking monster. And you know, Avi, there's something funny about that, too, because Rick is kind of at odds with the OSMU, the open source mining at this point. 1002 01:08:12,398 --> 01:08:15,918 He just got removed from the approved vendor list. 1003 01:08:16,778 --> 01:08:17,658 Why is that? 1004 01:08:17,658 --> 01:08:37,718 Well, he's been calling it out. So essentially, if you buy a bid X, there's like a, I don't know if it's 10%, 20% fee that goes towards open source mining, this OSMU. And, you know, they're calling it a donation, but if it's mandatory, isn't it a fee? 1005 01:08:37,718 --> 01:08:44,378 so that whole deal is uh is something that he calls out and uh you know just like anything 1006 01:08:44,378 --> 01:08:50,398 if you call something out maybe you're not on the good side but uh that's that's a whole story in 1007 01:08:50,398 --> 01:08:55,378 itself and i don't think he'll really get on to talk about it either but it's pretty much open 1008 01:08:55,378 --> 01:09:01,998 you can see on x between um on the twitter side because twitter's all about arguing these days 1009 01:09:01,998 --> 01:09:09,558 I'm sure. But you can see some open discussion about why he was removed from the approved vendors. 1010 01:09:09,978 --> 01:09:15,978 But you know what? BidX is an open source project and there's no stopping it essentially. So, 1011 01:09:16,638 --> 01:09:21,138 you know, you can be approved vendor, but to me, that's just a slap in a Better Business Bureau 1012 01:09:21,138 --> 01:09:29,178 sticker, you know, on your website. And, you know, people love us on Yelp type of thing. 1013 01:09:29,178 --> 01:09:37,198 it's just it's it's kind of meaningless that's great and qw before we wrap this up there's one 1014 01:09:37,198 --> 01:09:43,118 other area right i mentioned it that you are you've been focused on quite a bit and you you're 1015 01:09:43,118 --> 01:09:49,597 trying to spread the word about is the privacy side so do you want to talk about that yeah well 1016 01:09:49,597 --> 01:09:55,498 i mean if we have microphones obby um you know we we should i i and i've been mentioning to you 1017 01:09:55,498 --> 01:09:59,038 We should probably talk about it more, focus on it more. 1018 01:09:59,337 --> 01:10:03,738 I'm not some privacy guru, but it means so much to me. 1019 01:10:04,458 --> 01:10:07,478 I've had my identity stolen. 1020 01:10:07,678 --> 01:10:15,638 I've had my, you know, get the credit card in the mail that says your name on it, but you never actually signed up for it. 1021 01:10:16,018 --> 01:10:22,278 During COVID, someone was taking out unemployment for my name. 1022 01:10:22,278 --> 01:10:29,278 you know there's just I've just been so compromised and all I see looking forward is more and more 1023 01:10:29,278 --> 01:10:36,218 rights being stripped I look at you know I mean really anything other everything wants KYC everything 1024 01:10:36,218 --> 01:10:41,918 wants to the road isn't getting any better and I've already seen the road behind me and it was 1025 01:10:41,918 --> 01:10:47,978 shit so it's something where like where does it end does anybody care I mean have you spent hours 1026 01:10:47,978 --> 01:10:54,398 and hours and hours trying to fight something, uh, that you didn't apply for. 1027 01:10:54,398 --> 01:11:09,173 So like it it it just it eats away at you and I see it in the future and it going to eat away at my son and I feel like we should just shine lights on it I want to do more and more privacy conversations 1028 01:11:10,093 --> 01:11:10,893 And you know what? 1029 01:11:10,993 --> 01:11:20,793 It needs to be a roadmap like I did with Ghost, where it's just like a roadmap for simple people, simple things you can do to kind of protect yourself. 1030 01:11:21,373 --> 01:11:23,453 And I want to learn more about that. 1031 01:11:23,453 --> 01:11:34,753 One of the big reasons I got into Bitcoin and really stuck was the cypherpunk movement and separating money from state and privacy as a human right. 1032 01:11:35,193 --> 01:11:37,733 All those things that really hits home to me. 1033 01:11:38,013 --> 01:11:39,413 So I don't know. 1034 01:11:39,633 --> 01:11:40,733 How can I contribute? 1035 01:11:40,953 --> 01:11:42,453 How can I take my community building? 1036 01:11:43,093 --> 01:11:51,573 Some of the things I've done in the past, whether it's PubChain, Zapathon or even this alliance, even Nostra PHX and Culture Shock. 1037 01:11:51,573 --> 01:11:54,633 I mean, how can I apply that to privacy? 1038 01:11:55,573 --> 01:12:00,333 Because privacy is another odd one that you try to bring to your local conversation. 1039 01:12:00,693 --> 01:12:03,973 And it's just not normie friendly, right? 1040 01:12:05,353 --> 01:12:07,533 Well, you've got to show up in a mask, right? 1041 01:12:07,893 --> 01:12:09,353 You've got to practice what you preach. 1042 01:12:09,953 --> 01:12:11,253 Well, that's it, right? 1043 01:12:11,373 --> 01:12:18,293 So, you know, you've got to be a privacy advocate with your mask off because you've got to vlog about it. 1044 01:12:18,293 --> 01:12:21,793 Privacy vlogs 1045 01:12:21,793 --> 01:12:25,673 That is what will lead to hyper-nostrification 1046 01:12:25,673 --> 01:12:26,133 QW 1047 01:12:26,133 --> 01:12:30,033 Yeah, but I think one of our shows 1048 01:12:30,033 --> 01:12:30,973 With Max Hillebrand 1049 01:12:30,973 --> 01:12:33,413 The one we did with him 1050 01:12:33,413 --> 01:12:35,153 Was very revealing to me 1051 01:12:35,153 --> 01:12:36,593 As far as getting lost in the crowd 1052 01:12:36,593 --> 01:12:37,693 It's stuck with me 1053 01:12:37,693 --> 01:12:40,513 So it's kind of meshing today's world 1054 01:12:40,513 --> 01:12:41,493 With privacy 1055 01:12:41,493 --> 01:12:43,573 Not being in the bunker 1056 01:12:43,573 --> 01:12:44,973 But being open 1057 01:12:44,973 --> 01:12:48,193 But also decentralizing the things you do 1058 01:12:48,193 --> 01:12:54,753 to compartmentalize, which spreading your privacy around, I suppose, to make it harder to 1059 01:12:54,753 --> 01:13:01,993 attain. But yeah, it's kind of scary when you think about how much you try to protect your 1060 01:13:01,993 --> 01:13:07,473 privacy and how much big tech wants more and more information from you. So it's just, 1061 01:13:07,853 --> 01:13:13,493 and there's zero liability. You know, I talk about that Waymo that almost ran me off the road and 1062 01:13:13,493 --> 01:13:17,393 you call the phone call, you call Waymo and it's just a robot. 1063 01:13:18,293 --> 01:13:20,213 That's what the future is going to be. 1064 01:13:20,213 --> 01:13:24,333 You get your identity jacked and your money's gone 1065 01:13:24,333 --> 01:13:27,353 and you call a number and it's a robot. 1066 01:13:28,293 --> 01:13:32,533 So it seems like humans are, you know, 1067 01:13:32,593 --> 01:13:34,693 being a human right is important 1068 01:13:34,693 --> 01:13:37,133 and I think we're getting trampled at this point. 1069 01:13:39,573 --> 01:13:42,393 Are these privacy shows that you're planning to do, 1070 01:13:42,393 --> 01:13:44,053 are they going to be uplifting? 1071 01:13:44,333 --> 01:13:45,873 Because if I remember correctly, 1072 01:13:46,153 --> 01:13:47,633 we've had about seven or eight. 1073 01:13:48,233 --> 01:13:49,813 And I know you had the one with Ghost, 1074 01:13:49,913 --> 01:13:51,453 which you did in layer two. 1075 01:13:51,593 --> 01:13:52,913 But outside of that, 1076 01:13:53,353 --> 01:13:55,733 we've had about, I would say five, six, 1077 01:13:55,953 --> 01:13:58,693 maybe seven, eight privacy focus shows. 1078 01:13:59,133 --> 01:14:00,833 And I think every single one of them, 1079 01:14:00,913 --> 01:14:03,733 we came out of it feeling utterly depressed, 1080 01:14:04,273 --> 01:14:05,893 saying we're screwed. 1081 01:14:06,693 --> 01:14:09,353 Well, and I think that's where that loss in the crowd comes. 1082 01:14:09,673 --> 01:14:11,053 Because if you can, 1083 01:14:11,053 --> 01:14:18,853 And just like this, Avi, I already know Bitcoin's going to go up over time, so I don't care about price. 1084 01:14:19,293 --> 01:14:22,633 When people say, oh, all-time high, I'm like, well, it's always going to go up. 1085 01:14:22,713 --> 01:14:28,373 So if I can remove that portion of the emotions of that, and I focus on what I can actually do in Bitcoin, 1086 01:14:28,973 --> 01:14:33,393 what I can touch, what I can affect, who I conversate with, spreading the good word, 1087 01:14:33,973 --> 01:14:37,513 we know privacy is going to keep getting stripped, stripped, stripped. 1088 01:14:37,693 --> 01:14:40,253 So take that emotion out so it's not depressing. 1089 01:14:40,253 --> 01:14:44,093 What can you actually do to fix what's going on around you right now? 1090 01:14:44,433 --> 01:14:50,453 And I think that's really the ultimate approach with any of this is focusing on what you can do. 1091 01:14:51,153 --> 01:14:53,433 And it doesn't have to be complicated. 1092 01:14:54,133 --> 01:14:59,633 So, you know, understand, you know, have a conversation about truly the privacy is getting stripped. 1093 01:15:00,393 --> 01:15:06,233 You know, what's going on in the world, the projections, you know, AI and whatever is going to happen. 1094 01:15:06,233 --> 01:15:10,813 But what can we do, you know, to kind of counter that? 1095 01:15:11,213 --> 01:15:13,653 And it is what it is, you know. 1096 01:15:17,173 --> 01:15:17,613 Indeed. 1097 01:15:19,253 --> 01:15:22,453 Anything else, QW, that we haven't talked about? 1098 01:15:23,153 --> 01:15:25,333 Look, we've made it to an hour and 15 minutes. 1099 01:15:25,793 --> 01:15:27,993 An hour and 15 minutes, no guests, no sermon. 1100 01:15:28,793 --> 01:15:30,413 You know, I'm ready to go. 1101 01:15:30,413 --> 01:15:36,413 And I thought you were going to read the first 300 pages of July 24th. 1102 01:15:36,953 --> 01:15:37,773 July 18. 1103 01:15:38,613 --> 01:15:39,453 July 18. 1104 01:15:41,713 --> 01:15:43,133 I'll get it once it's, yeah. 1105 01:15:43,193 --> 01:15:45,993 I mean, hey, Avi, you haven't even sent this to the editor 1106 01:15:45,993 --> 01:15:48,693 to see if that cover's acceptable, right? 1107 01:15:49,153 --> 01:15:50,893 You might have to change it. 1108 01:15:51,513 --> 01:15:52,253 We'll see. 1109 01:15:52,333 --> 01:15:54,293 It'll be Juneteenth by the time you're done. 1110 01:15:54,293 --> 01:16:02,153 and bitcoin replaced with a with a green version xrc 1111 01:16:02,153 --> 01:16:10,713 yeah and only then uh will be it will be next netflix worthy you know 1112 01:16:10,713 --> 01:16:19,673 uh but no that's it um it was a i i kind of like shows like this i mean kind of the state of the 1113 01:16:19,673 --> 01:16:24,253 union um but you've had a lot going on and i've been interested in and you know it's funny 1114 01:16:24,253 --> 01:16:29,493 because I have to hear from the, let's see the name of it again, 1115 01:16:30,053 --> 01:16:33,213 the Cryptopolitan, what Avi's been up to, you know, 1116 01:16:33,313 --> 01:16:34,933 and we do this show every week. 1117 01:16:35,473 --> 01:16:43,733 So it just kind of goes to show that we live far away 1118 01:16:43,733 --> 01:16:45,573 and we're on different time zones. 1119 01:16:45,813 --> 01:16:49,113 And sometimes the only time we actually talk is during the show. 1120 01:16:49,213 --> 01:16:50,133 And I think that's pretty cool. 1121 01:16:50,833 --> 01:16:53,733 And we live our own rich, rewarding lives. 1122 01:16:53,733 --> 01:16:58,953 And when we do talk to you in the show, we're talking to someone else about the rich, rewarding things that they're doing. 1123 01:16:59,333 --> 01:17:07,473 So I think it's good that maybe once every few months we have this sort of reflection on what's happened. 1124 01:17:07,973 --> 01:17:13,353 Yeah. Well, I tell you, another big thing coming up, Avi, it's a big, big, big thing in our world. 1125 01:17:14,173 --> 01:17:20,833 My son's doing soccer. So if you've ever seen football in your world. 1126 01:17:20,833 --> 01:17:26,973 But if you've ever seen two-and-a-half-year-olds run around chasing a ball, I'm really looking forward to this one. 1127 01:17:27,753 --> 01:17:28,353 Oh, yeah. 1128 01:17:29,733 --> 01:17:30,673 It'll be fun. 1129 01:17:33,073 --> 01:17:36,193 But, yeah, that's where my world is right now. 1130 01:17:36,273 --> 01:17:37,853 That's my risk assessment. 1131 01:17:38,313 --> 01:17:39,433 I'm going to grind. 1132 01:17:40,953 --> 01:17:44,193 I'm a slave in many ways right now. 1133 01:17:44,593 --> 01:17:45,073 So that's it. 1134 01:17:47,613 --> 01:17:48,333 All right. 1135 01:17:48,373 --> 01:17:48,593 Good. 1136 01:17:48,593 --> 01:17:49,153 Yeah. 1137 01:17:49,153 --> 01:17:49,293 Yeah. 1138 01:17:50,973 --> 01:17:54,033 Well, folks, thank you for listening to, again, 1139 01:17:54,493 --> 01:17:57,233 two dudes, two middle-aged dudes with an acute case 1140 01:17:57,233 --> 01:17:59,133 of the Dunning-Kruger effect, 1141 01:17:59,333 --> 01:18:02,373 Pratt-Lawn about life, the universe, and everything. 1142 01:18:02,933 --> 01:18:04,633 I hope this was enjoyable to you. 1143 01:18:05,193 --> 01:18:06,773 QW, any last words? 1144 01:18:07,833 --> 01:18:09,613 Yeah, you think it was enjoyable, Avi? 1145 01:18:10,013 --> 01:18:12,993 I mean, we did, it's really us talking about it. 1146 01:18:12,993 --> 01:18:15,493 I'd be interested, because the last time we did 1147 01:18:15,493 --> 01:18:18,553 two dudes with acute case, it did really well. 1148 01:18:18,553 --> 01:18:19,573 The show is really good. 1149 01:18:19,953 --> 01:18:22,313 It's actually one of our most watched shows. 1150 01:18:23,013 --> 01:18:23,293 Yeah. 1151 01:18:23,453 --> 01:18:30,253 We're over here stressing about who's the guest going to be and all those different things you think about week over week and time zones. 1152 01:18:30,493 --> 01:18:35,453 And what if the most popular thing is the easiest thing? 1153 01:18:36,033 --> 01:18:38,853 So that might be something to think about. 1154 01:18:38,933 --> 01:18:40,233 But no, that's all. 1155 01:18:40,493 --> 01:18:44,293 I'm interested to see if this show does numbers. 1156 01:18:44,893 --> 01:18:47,413 But thank you for tuning in to Pleb Chain Radio. 1157 01:18:47,413 --> 01:18:50,573 if you appreciate it as much as we appreciate you 1158 01:18:50,573 --> 01:18:52,193 listen on Fountain App 1159 01:18:52,193 --> 01:18:54,133 and consider hitting the subscribe button 1160 01:18:54,133 --> 01:18:56,193 until next week 1161 01:18:56,193 --> 01:18:57,433 gentle plebs, farewell 1162 01:18:57,433 --> 01:18:59,413 goodbye