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Welcome to Pleb Chain Radio, a live show brought to you by Plebs for Plebs, which focuses

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on the intersection of NOSTER and Bitcoin protocols.

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Join QW and Avi as they run down the weekly news and developments, breaking down the current

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thing and the future frontier with the foundation of decentralization, the builders, thinkers,

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doers, and plebs.

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All right, we are live.

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Welcome, gentle plebs, to episode number 112 of Plebs Chain Radio.

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Today is Friday the 16th of May, and we have a fun show ahead of you today.

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Rick from CryptoCloaks, solo miner and 3D printer extraordinaire,

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joins us to talk about everything solo mining, 3D printing, and much, much more.

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and just a reminder folks

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if you are listening to this show on Apple or Spotify

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first of all thank you for listening

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but I would urge you to hit pause

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and switch over to the Fountain Podcasting app

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where we can earn some sats

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and support the value for value revolution

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as you listen

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this show is streamed live on zap.stream

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and any other Nostra client that supports streaming

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such as Amethyst and Nostra

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and qw this is conference season but there is no second best bitcoin conference because btc

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is it and you can go there between the 19th and the 21st of june this year and save some sats

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on tickets if you use the discount code NOSTR, N-O-S-T-R, 10% off in fiat and 15% off if you pay

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in Bitcoin. And for our meme readout today, QW, it is one of our old reliables,

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the they don't know meme. This is the party in which you have couples happily dancing and

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frolicking around, and our hero standing all by himself in the corner, looking at these

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couples enjoying themselves, saying, they don't know, I have teeth.

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And QW, you have been paying attention to Bitcoin and Nostoculture this past week.

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What have you seen?

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This last week, teeth equals scarcity, right?

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Certainly.

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I have teeth. Why aren't they worth a billion dollars or something like that? They're scarce. Yeah, that was a fun one. Great meme. Let's talk about sat-ter day. So tomorrow, Avi, we have three events on Nostra going on.

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We have the, so number one, the Shredder live from 7th Street Entry, Minneapolis downtown, open mic on Toonster.

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That actually got moved to tomorrow night.

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So tomorrow, 10 p.m. Eastern time, that Shredder event on Toonster and maybe Fountain as well.

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The live event will be streaming.

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We have a dance party streaming live, Avi, from Arusha, Tanzania.

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Our friend of the show, Man Like Quex.

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Man Like who?

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Quex.

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12 p.m. tomorrow, 12 noon.

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So a little dance party.

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I think this might be their second or third one.

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So keep a lookout for that.

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The up-endo block party, it seems to be a very,

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it's kind of a Nostra thing now.

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So that's going on for six hours, trying to hit a block.

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Avi will hit a block one day.

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It's just a matter of time.

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Vegas is around the corner.

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It's like, I don't know, a couple less than two weeks away.

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And we have the side quests that we've talked about many times.

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Bitcoin Golf Championship, the 26th.

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Golf starts at 8 a.m.

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Kickoff party, 11 to 5.

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The Bali High.

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I said buy high last time, Avi.

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And it's Bali High.

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So let's correct myself.

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I will be there on stage from 12 to 1.30.

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Schilling Noster and Value for Value and all the beautiful things we're doing in the space.

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NOS Vegas, 7 p.m. to 1 p.m. or Wednesday the 28th at We All Scream.

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That's 7 p.m. to 1 a.m.

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That'd be interesting, 7 p.m. to 1 p.m.

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But that's going to be with your buddy Derek Ross, our buddy Derek Ross.

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everybody that's involved we've done this show many times or talked about it many times but we

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all scream i recommend checking it out and then again 300 feet away from there is satirize the

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system the bugle boys bugle news rod palmer richard greaser they have announced that there's going to

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be some some guests arriving i think maybe caitlin long will be there so we might have some political

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influence or a somewhat political influence.

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Then Nostra Bama, we'll keep talking about it, but as we get closer, we'll talk about

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it more July 14th through the 17th.

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And that is all.

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QW, that is quite the lineup right there.

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Let's just focus on tomorrow, right?

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We got three events.

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Yes, indeed.

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But that said, QW, for our top zapper roast.

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Well, Alvi, we might get to the point where we don't have enough time to talk about the culture.

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And is that hyper-Bitcoinization?

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That's right.

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The whole show, we either do an entire show talking about all the events.

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And that might well be it.

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But QW, we found ourselves in a rather strange situation with our top zapper.

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A person who I cannot name, zapped us very generously, I should say, during the live stream on Zap.Stream last week.

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And she ended up being the top zapper over the course of the week.

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And when I went to look up her NPUB so that I could write a nice roast, turns out she's disappeared.

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So, folks, we've got a mystery worthy of a Bitcoin noir this week.

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Our top zapper pulled in more sats than a lightning node on steroids,

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then vanished into the digital ether faster than you can say hodl.

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One minute, she's boosting like a boss.

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The next, gone without a trace.

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She's the ghost of Satoshi's past,

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slipping through the mempool like a phantom in designer headphones.

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No profile pic, no bio, not even a breadcrumb to follow.

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Just a big fat zap that hit our wallets and then silence.

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If she ever reappears, we promise to roll out the red carpet and maybe a few extra sats.

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Until then, mad props to our stealthy benefactor.

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You may be out of sight, but your generosity is still echoing through the show.

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Just don't be surprised if we start calling you, the lady vanishes every time someone asks who the real MVP is.

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And QW, you have got a sermon in store for us today.

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I love the fact that before the show, you're like, hey, man, I can't find this account.

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And I look it up on Nostra.

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Of course, well, actually, we looked through the Zap wallet,

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and it just said unknown or account deleted.

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And that's probably the most random thing.

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And she had a lot of replies, so she's been around a while,

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but maybe, I don't know, Avi, maybe she gave you some sats,

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and then she just instantly regretted it and disappeared herself.

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Could well be.

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All right.

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So sermon today, printing the future, finding Bitcoin, finding Noster, finding Freedom Tech in the FOSS community creates a sense of hope.

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So it really does create a sense of hope.

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And the way you find yourself within this and expands your consciousness, expands your will to be a part of something bigger than yourself.

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I know it's happened to me.

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It did happen at the same time as becoming a father as well.

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So a lot of that goes hand in hand.

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But Bitcoin, Noster, and the culture and community surrounding these tools, they really inspire you to be your better self.

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And maybe it's just kind of alleviating that darkness, that dark cloud of inflation, dark cloud of government, or, you know, I'm helpless in this situation.

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It really inspires you to create a blueprint for yourself, print yourself.

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Healthy living, family, passions, creativity.

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creativity, it's all incorporated in the culture we have built. And another thing about our culture,

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our community, it really inspires you. It really supports you. So if you ever go in IRL to pleb

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events, everyone's on the same page. You know, we're all looking very, it's just the progress

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goes where energy flows and we just have such a positive community. It's much different than

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really anything I've experienced in the past. In a way, we are obviously 3D printing ourselves.

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Imagine that. We're laying out the blueprint of our future where we're prior, you know, where we

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were, where we want to be prior to becoming a pleb and now in the future. I mean, before, I never

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thought really further than the night out on Friday or the sporting event on Sunday. We're truly now

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and enjoying what we have and paving the road for tomorrow.

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So printing that future.

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And I don't know about you, Avi, but for me, this mission has bypassed myself.

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I'm to that point where I'm a sacrificial lamb with my time preference and have moved

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on to my son and my son's son.

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And I think we've talked about this before.

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I'm, I don't think you're at the sacrificial lamb stage yet, Avi, but, uh, you know, how

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are you printing your, their future?

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well by stacking

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a stack that is prone to maritime

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misadventures

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printing the future it's something where

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the further you go in the further you zoom out

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of adopting yourself too Avi

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well said QW

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Speaking of 3D printing, I think it's time to bring our guest on.

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Welcome CryptoCloaks.

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Thanks for joining us.

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Hey, thanks for having me.

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I'm sorry I was late.

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All good.

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Yeah, all good.

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You're a busy man.

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You've got to fill all those.

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I mean, you basically run an Amazon warehouse, don't you?

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I wish.

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People think I do.

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Yeah that what you mentioned before So we have a burning question There an earthquake where you are you you are and after you sort through the rubble so there an earthquake and you sorting through this rubble

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you realize that your 3d printer has somehow become a 4d printer what do you do oh man that

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means i can travel time and space right so i could go back to like 2009 talk to satoshi i see where

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and like really stack way early

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right 4D you can travel through time then right

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that is right different universes man you could hop like actual like

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Rick and Morty that'd be wild

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not hop back and talk to Satoshi that'd be that'd be pretty crazy I'm not gonna

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lie that's what I would do you'd have to

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find him that is the problem right we still don't even know where he ever was

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at least i could get early with bitcoin just don't hurt him all right

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absolutely not man i mean we kind of need him at this point or we needed him at that at that stage

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oh god yeah i mean it's where we are now and how bitcoin gave me like hope for my family and the

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future i mean i would never change a thing to be honest so let's talk about your backstory um

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You know, what drew you to Bitcoin beyond the NGU that we all seem to, before we can truly grasp what Bitcoin is?

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Yeah, man, I think I don't think I have too original of a story.

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I know like most people back in like 2017, we kind of, a buddy introduced cryptocurrencies to me.

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And I went down the shitcoin rabbit hole of trying to always get the latest one.

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And, oh, this one's better than Bitcoin and whatnot.

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And then eventually after like six months, you just run out of time and getting sick of like rug pulled or realizing, oh, it's not finite supplies and stuff.

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And that's where it really, really hit me is like after six months of just kind of gambling and playing the game, I just realized why I don't have this time to do this.

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I'm just going to buy Bitcoin, stack it.

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And it kind of all started from that.

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love it and then you started crypto cloaks talk a little bit about that yeah so crypto cloaks

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actually got started because after i got into the whole cryptocurrency thing right away about a

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ledger obviously we all know that ledger is absolute trash nowadays but i mean back then i

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mean it was pretty reputable so i got one of their hardware wallets and i got sick of it sitting on

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my desk because that's just a terrible spot to even store that so I figured why not make a mount

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so I can mount it under the desk and just get it out of eyesight so nobody knows that it's there

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and I when I graduated college I had a 3d printer so I figured maybe I'd just

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design my own mount and once I got it done I figured maybe maybe other people would want to

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do that and so I kind of started an Etsy store and started selling on Etsy and after six months

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of running an Etsy store,

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I said, why am I giving all this money to Etsy?

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It was like 35% of the time

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for every sale they would take.

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And I was like, well, I'll just start my own website.

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And now we're almost eight years later

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and things are cooking.

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It's pretty wild.

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this is obviously an audio show,

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you'd realize that Avi's wearing

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his Ledger necklace right now.

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I mean, you can show off your bling

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if you want to.

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Did he tuck it in when he said that, Avi?

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It's a leisure with 69 ETH on it.

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That's all I have.

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Oh, my God.

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Yeah, if they take that, man, why not?

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That's super funny.

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No, it's just, it is pretty wild to see where the journey has taken me, to be honest.

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Even talking about it, it feels like it's forever ago now.

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so i know you have a hard stop so i'm gonna be uh i'm trying to gauge that what uh what's your

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how much time can you give us today i got about 20 minutes okay all right kids man i know uh and

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congratulations hey thanks yeah yeah i'm uh i'm harboring a two-year-old that's napping in the

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next room right now nice my kid just turned one this year so i'm pretty jacked just wait till they

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start running. He's almost walking and it's starting to get scary because I'm like, oh God,

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this kid is going to get into so much stuff. So why is 3D printing such a pleb adjacent phenomenon

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in the community? So my whole thing on 3D printing and Bitcoin is they go hand in hand.

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Bitcoin is freedom money. You can do whatever you want. You can send money wherever you want.

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it's fuck you money and 3d printers i don't know if i can swear on here so sorry for that

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uh you can okay perfect um so that is fu money and then 3d printing is a whole different self

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sovereignty aspect in itself right um you can design anything and print it and have it you're

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not always relying on somebody to make it for you you can download files that are already made

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online and print it yourself or design whatever whatever your imagination can come up with and

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you can have it printed in a couple hours or a day.

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And for me, it's really self-sovereignty on a different level

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than just where Bitcoin is that for money.

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And that's what I try to tell everybody is,

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if you're into Bitcoin, you should look into getting a 3D printer

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because it is self-sovereignty on a whole different level.

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Yeah, I think about, you know, when I think about self-sovereignty

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and 3D printing, I think about,

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And this was just headlines in the news over the years, ghost guns.

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Yeah.

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I mean, the one thing that has a serial number on an AR is typically the main chamber.

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Yeah, your lower.

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Yeah, the lower.

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But anybody that doesn't know what that is, it's pretty much the handle, the trigger assembly, and that's about it.

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But if you print that and you can basically build your whole thing and they call it a ghost gun.

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But it's like the technology is getting in the way of a lot of what the government tries to regulate, right?

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Absolutely. And I've printed so many of those lowers on ARs to SD40s to Glocks.

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And I had to unfortunately get rid of all mine because Colorado became a very commie state.

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and said if you own any ghost lowers, which they can't technically track,

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but I'm not willing to risk it with a family and everything to even have them in my house.

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But it's wild.

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They're untraceable.

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You can just literally print it on your printer, take a couple supports off,

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put your barrel and your handle on, and you're ready to go.

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And I've shot ARs and clocks, all 3D printed frames, and none of them exploded in my hand.

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And they were pumping rounds through.

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and and that film how how does that filament hold up is it like a polymer or is there different

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styles a different different kinds that you would use in more of a high compression or yeah so there's

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combustion environment there's specific filaments that you would use that are um less brittle than

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pla and more heat resistant up to the elements uh you can use petg pla pro uh abs and it it's crazy

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Like I said, I had an AR-15 lower that I had, and I pumped probably 300 to 500 rounds through it, and it didn't have a crack or a flaw at it at all.

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And that was pretty wild to me, because that was the first one that I ever printed.

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You know, CryptoCloaks, the Bitcoin Film Festival is coming up in about a week or so in Warsaw.

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I was fortunate enough to be at the last edition in Warsaw again in 2024.

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And one of the films featured there was Death Athletic by Jessica Solce.

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She's a Bitcoiner.

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And it's about, so the movie Death Athletic follows Cody Wilson,

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who's one of the pioneers in 3D printed guns.

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And it follows his story over the course of several years, actually.

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I think almost seven or eight years.

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Are you familiar with Cody Wilson and what happened there?

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I'm not.

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Is Cody Wilson Jay Stark?

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Is that his real name?

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I'm not sure.

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Okay.

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I'm trying to figure out.

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I know Jay Stark got busted, and he was one of the huge pioneers behind it all.

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It could be the same person.

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Sorry.

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I was trying to figure out if that's his real name or that was because his handle was Jay Stark,

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and I don't know if Cody Wilson's his actual real name.

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I should check out that film.

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So hand-in-hand with kind of the ghost gun is an open-source community,

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and I feel like 3D printing has a huge open-source community as well.

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Is that true?

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Oh, yeah.

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I mean, just go to thingiverse.com or printables,

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and there are millions and millions and millions of files out there

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that you can just download and print, modify, remix.

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It's wild.

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That's the basis of a lot of the whole ethos

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besides running a business and selling specific goods,

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but there is a lot of stuff that is also open source

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that you can just download and print whatever you want with no limitations.

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and I just looked it up

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yes it's JSTARC1809

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that was his handle

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the same guy

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I didn't know his real name

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I just knew Stark

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Avi docks his people here

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actually half of our audience

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left after the USAID

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funding ran up

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so we should be alright now

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I think Jessica's movie

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did a far better job of doxing him than I did right now.

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Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story, Albie.

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So, yeah, the FOSS community, how involved are you in the community?

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I mean, are you just live, ride or die open source?

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Is that something you hold near and dear to your heart?

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Are there, you know, I think at one point if you get,

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Well, I guess answer that. Is that something that you live by?

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I love open source, but I also hate it.

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Yeah, that's kind of what I want to understand because you're running a market.

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You're running an online market.

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You'd like to open source everything, but at the same time, you want to feed the kid, right?

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Yeah, exactly. So that's the tough part, right?

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Basically, with 3D printing, no matter what, if you open source it or not,

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somebody can easily just whip up a design of what you build.

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and then just say, oh, this is open sourced and change one thing and give it out to the world.

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So that's a whole different, it's a much, it's like a crazy ball game that I'm in.

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And I just don't even, I can't even explain the environment.

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It is absolutely wild because everybody with a 3D printer,

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there so many like remarkable designers out there that they can just whip something up in like 15 20 minutes even if it open source or not just be like here it is here the world right and the whole gun gun ethos is

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absolutely wild um and just every every aspect of it it's open source

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open sources i mean closed source really doesn't exist in 3d printing

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because you anybody can just design it and print it but it kind of also sucks when you try to run

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a business in that and just hope that nobody like constantly rips off your stuff and sells it it's

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just like if you get dyes or molds made in china they will literally take that mold and start

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selling that product within like six months on amazon so you have to be careful of even getting

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anything made in china half the time it's wild and there's i've heard about that too because uh

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Whether you're getting a solo miner, let's say you're getting a bid axe from Amazon, maybe talk about that.

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Trust is a huge thing.

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And when I originally bought my bid axe from you, I knew who you were.

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I knew your game for the last eight years.

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I just trusted you.

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And I didn't know you, but I trusted your brand.

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And that's a big thing, especially when you're dealing with something as intricate as ASIC chips and motherboards and, you know, all the way down to even nodes or raspy pies or maybe don't sell those.

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But, you know, those are things you I just don't want to buy it from Amazon.

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Yeah, no, I totally get that.

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And we used to sell nodes all the time.

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We used to build raspy blitz.

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We still make custom cases for all of those.

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but yeah it's it's really tough running a business in bitcoin because we always say don't trust

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verify but you really have to find the good companies that really are trying their best to

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always put the best foot forward and never screw over customers and i i've always put that as like

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my number one priority is i want people to trust me like i trust other companies where i buy products

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for in Bitcoin because it is really that important.

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Is there a distinction?

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I just want to go back to what you said earlier about open source hardware.

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That's not a world I'm familiar with at all.

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What is the distinction between the open source hardware world and the open source software

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world?

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That's a great point.

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For me, there really is no difference.

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It's just, open source for me is basically the Wild West,

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and anybody can do anything.

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And you just hope that if you don't open source your product,

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somebody doesn't just Wild West it and design your stuff

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and be like, here it is for the world,

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especially when you're trying to design things and feed a family.

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it's crazy

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there is no difference between software and hardware

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it's the same thing

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if you code and build software

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and then somebody comes along and literally codes and builds

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the exact same thing

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and gives it out for free

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that's a tough world

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you've seen large entities

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manage to capitalize on open source software

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yep

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but what about individuals

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small businesses uh how what what is the playbook there if you're building open source

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the big thing is donations because we we open source a lot of our stuff that anybody can

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download it and print um you basically just hope that people are willing to pay or donate

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sats for the hard work you put out there it might not happen but our file factory we have like a

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limit of like you you can download our stuff and print yourself and do all this stuff for a thousand

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sats but you can literally make it one sat which is basically less than a penny or maybe it's more

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than a penny now at the price but it's uh it comes down to hoping you get donations or huge entities

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that actually have the capital to donate or help fund those things

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one of your uh top products i'd say well tell me about the bidx rage i mean everything seems to be

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bidx bidx bidx and i i know there's other uh competitors out there and it seems like

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anything that launches it sells out or uh you know they're looking for the it's always the

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next one's coming the next one's coming yeah like the bid x touch i mean i've been hearing that

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thing's been coming forever yeah it's just it's uh it's one of those things and how and how do you

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get in front of that product because obviously if a product comes out you're gonna have to put a

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molding out it's kind of like an apple case right uh when you have your phone case and they already

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have the the cases available for it but how do you design for it when you don't know what the shape

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is totally yeah it's it's wild so we i just tried to talk with the people that are designing those

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products and work with them be like hey is there any way i can get a test board to even start

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designing around so like the nerd nerd xq plus plus and stuff like that i would just get a board

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and start designing as fast as i can around stuff like that and and with the whole home mining space

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it's really blown up in the last year uh it's it's absolutely wild and i think the whole lottery

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miner thing is here to stay because everybody instead of just buying a lottery ticket everybody

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has now this little device that takes up barely any power and can do the same thing and you you

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basically are just gambling or hoping that your little solo miner will hit a block and all of a

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sudden you get three three bitcoin and it's uh and if the news says every day that the hash rate

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is hitting all times highs do just everyday plebs say screw it i'm just going for the lotto

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I mean, doing their part, decentralization, foundry, foundry, ant, ant pool, ant pool, foundry, foundry.

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It's got to piss people off.

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It's almost our way of saying, you know, fuck you.

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Yeah.

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And the only way is getting home miners to be just like trying to compete with the big boys like Bitmain and stuff.

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It's, I don't think we're, we're so far away from decentralizing it with home miners because there's not enough, there's not enough out there, first of all.

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And second of all, it, it's hard to keep up with the huge mining entities that are pumping out new, new miners that are like S21 XPs or whatever that are pumping out 300 plus tera hash for like four grand now.

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and three three years ago i i bought an s19j pro for 12 and a half grand and that was like 96

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terahash and that's just like a three-year span so it's gonna be really really tough and the

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movement needs to get really big to truly decentralize it with home mining i think it's

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definitely possible as the tech and the the devices that we're seeing come out where you

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are getting more terahash your wattage is way lower and just more people are getting into it

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it's a it's a wild game of like cat and mouse at this point but you can't stick it to the man the

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man here being the large mining pools that seem to win every second block uh without coordinating

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right i mean if everyone becomes a solo lottery man i mean achieves very little other than the

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occasional block that they win.

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So how many terahash is...

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That's their block at that point, Avi.

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That's a big win, man.

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But if they coordinate, that's true, but they have a better shot with coordination.

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How many terahash is a standard bitx?

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So just a bitx gamma for $150 is 1.2 terahash.

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so you would need a million

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of those to hit the exahash

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range correct yes so you

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you're looking at even like the can and nano

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threes that you can get for 340

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bucks are 6.3

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terahash

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we're still talking about hundreds of

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thousands yes

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coordinating to get into the

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exahash range it's not much

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but it's honest work

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and that's that's exactly what i'm saying

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that it needs to the whole space

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really does need to grow because you're competing with the big boys and these guys have endless

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capital and are constantly making new machines that are pumping out 300 terahash and next the

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next gen whatever bitmain comes out will probably be 500 terahash at way lower watts and it's yeah

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it's it's a cat and mouse game but i think what i like about it though what we have nothing to lose

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Exactly. You know, you know, a couple bucks on my power bill every month spread out by a million people.

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It's it's really nothing for for us. Whereas they're over leveraged.

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They're always trying to compete with each other with machines, always trying to repurpose machines, trying to dump more shares on their on their their stockholders.

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Absolutely.

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Whatever it is, it just seems like, I think BitFarms is getting into AI now.

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They just gave up or something.

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So it's just funny to me that we have nothing to lose.

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They have everything.

448
00:33:16,430 --> 00:33:19,691
And it seems like I would never want to be in that position having to figure out,

449
00:33:19,851 --> 00:33:22,371
oh, the Bitcoin price just dipped 50%.

450
00:33:22,371 --> 00:33:23,851
Now we're not profitable anymore.

451
00:33:24,391 --> 00:33:28,091
It's like sleepless nights and just over-leveraging, in my opinion.

452
00:33:28,491 --> 00:33:30,051
Yeah, we'll definitely win with numbers.

453
00:33:30,231 --> 00:33:31,491
That's the only way we can win.

454
00:33:32,251 --> 00:33:34,791
Just remain hopeful, Avi. Come on.

455
00:33:35,091 --> 00:33:37,930
Millions of people running one BitX.

456
00:33:38,011 --> 00:33:39,251
That's what we have to hope for.

457
00:33:39,391 --> 00:33:40,751
Yes, it's a long shot.

458
00:33:41,351 --> 00:33:45,571
But you're just basically hoping that they over-leverage themselves

459
00:33:45,571 --> 00:33:48,651
more than you just chilling on the sideline.

460
00:33:49,891 --> 00:33:52,691
There is that scenario that they're over-leveraged,

461
00:33:52,811 --> 00:33:53,911
which means they go out of business,

462
00:33:54,011 --> 00:33:55,471
which means the hash rate drops.

463
00:33:56,191 --> 00:33:59,391
And then maybe you don't need 10 million plebs in a pool.

464
00:34:00,191 --> 00:34:01,831
Maybe you could get away with one.

465
00:34:02,251 --> 00:34:02,571
right?

466
00:34:02,930 --> 00:34:03,091
Yep.

467
00:34:04,831 --> 00:34:05,451
And also,

468
00:34:05,771 --> 00:34:06,171
also,

469
00:34:06,311 --> 00:34:06,551
Avi,

470
00:34:06,811 --> 00:34:07,971
lower your time preference,

471
00:34:08,190 --> 00:34:08,431
please.

472
00:34:09,951 --> 00:34:11,030
We're talking about,

473
00:34:11,151 --> 00:34:12,411
you're talking about today,

474
00:34:12,491 --> 00:34:14,171
I'm talking about in 2050,

475
00:34:14,451 --> 00:34:14,811
you know.

476
00:34:15,251 --> 00:34:17,190
When the hash rate is,

477
00:34:17,431 --> 00:34:18,591
I don't even know what's up.

478
00:34:18,591 --> 00:34:18,951
10x from now?

479
00:34:20,171 --> 00:34:21,091
Zeta hash,

480
00:34:21,690 --> 00:34:23,091
thousand Zeta hash,

481
00:34:23,171 --> 00:34:23,971
whatever that is.

482
00:34:25,351 --> 00:34:27,190
And everyone's competing for,

483
00:34:27,331 --> 00:34:27,971
you know,

484
00:34:28,010 --> 00:34:30,431
a block reward of like 0.2 or something.

485
00:34:31,131 --> 00:34:31,991
You are forgetting,

486
00:34:31,991 --> 00:34:35,471
QW that CryptoCloaks has a 4D printer now.

487
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:37,771
Anything is possible.

488
00:34:38,071 --> 00:34:39,131
Yeah, I'm going to time travel, man.

489
00:34:39,931 --> 00:34:41,050
You guys are on your own.

490
00:34:41,091 --> 00:34:41,931
I'm going to get those blocks.

491
00:34:42,391 --> 00:34:45,971
Let us know how many BitXs are out there in that time.

492
00:34:45,991 --> 00:34:46,231
Right.

493
00:34:48,371 --> 00:34:52,811
But it's important to know that BitX is not the actual manufacturer.

494
00:34:53,351 --> 00:34:55,231
It's an open source project.

495
00:34:55,471 --> 00:34:58,451
And when I first heard about BitX, I'm like, okay, cool.

496
00:34:58,591 --> 00:35:00,611
Like that's created by somebody.

497
00:35:00,611 --> 00:35:03,271
but maybe talk about the open source project

498
00:35:03,271 --> 00:35:15,276
or just how BIDX came about maybe Yeah so BIDX is definitely an open source project There a bunch of people working on on the sidelines and then you have distributors that are getting either buying the

499
00:35:15,276 --> 00:35:20,536
boards pre-made like what we do because i just don't have the machinery to build the boards or

500
00:35:20,536 --> 00:35:27,216
you have also people that are building the boards and selling them like ixtech you got plebsource

501
00:35:27,216 --> 00:35:32,036
that's now going to start making their own boards and selling them and then you have people like

502
00:35:32,036 --> 00:35:37,236
public pool that are making the boards sell them for uh retailers where you're buying like hundreds

503
00:35:37,236 --> 00:35:48,596
at a time um but yeah the the ethos is great it's uh it's just a tough one right you're i just

504
00:35:48,596 --> 00:35:54,336
i hope that we can continue the advancement and i'm watching all the new projects come out like

505
00:35:54,336 --> 00:35:59,136
the nerd axe which is like an offshoot of the bid axe and projects like that that are pulling

506
00:35:59,136 --> 00:36:00,216
the more terahash.

507
00:36:01,396 --> 00:36:03,716
And the big game is going to be

508
00:36:03,716 --> 00:36:06,016
if you can try to get the open source project

509
00:36:06,016 --> 00:36:10,056
to be as cheap as the closed source projects

510
00:36:10,056 --> 00:36:13,876
with the same amount of terahash and power usage.

511
00:36:14,496 --> 00:36:17,596
That'll be the gameplay for sure.

512
00:36:20,336 --> 00:36:24,476
I wonder if there's a parallel here, Cryptocloaks,

513
00:36:24,856 --> 00:36:27,316
with what's happening with AI models

514
00:36:27,316 --> 00:36:31,276
where the open source models are only a couple of months

515
00:36:31,276 --> 00:36:33,716
behind the closed source models.

516
00:36:33,976 --> 00:36:35,256
And they're catching up, right?

517
00:36:35,256 --> 00:36:37,256
Because there is power in those numbers.

518
00:36:37,576 --> 00:36:39,316
And I wonder if we'll see a similar parallel

519
00:36:39,316 --> 00:36:42,496
where these chipsets or whatever it is, right?

520
00:36:43,156 --> 00:36:44,976
I'm not an expert on hardware,

521
00:36:45,176 --> 00:36:48,396
but whatever is open source in the BitEx,

522
00:36:48,636 --> 00:36:52,396
that's going to catch up to the closed source stuff,

523
00:36:52,656 --> 00:36:53,896
the bit mains and what have you.

524
00:36:54,156 --> 00:36:56,016
Yeah. No, I definitely think it is.

525
00:36:56,016 --> 00:36:57,916
it just comes down to numbers, right?

526
00:36:58,076 --> 00:36:59,996
Every open source project

527
00:36:59,996 --> 00:37:02,096
versus closed source, it will literally come

528
00:37:02,096 --> 00:37:03,936
down to the

529
00:37:03,936 --> 00:37:06,176
amount of people putting effort

530
00:37:06,176 --> 00:37:07,116
into the project.

531
00:37:08,496 --> 00:37:10,416
Closed source has endless finances

532
00:37:10,416 --> 00:37:12,276
where open source is usually people

533
00:37:12,276 --> 00:37:13,896
donating their time or money

534
00:37:13,896 --> 00:37:14,816
to make it happen.

535
00:37:16,516 --> 00:37:17,836
There's endless passion

536
00:37:17,836 --> 00:37:19,776
depending on the project. Basically.

537
00:37:20,336 --> 00:37:22,096
Yep. I love

538
00:37:22,096 --> 00:37:24,076
the trend. I love the eyes on the

539
00:37:24,076 --> 00:37:35,376
projects. I love the discussion of the mempool and the block templates, everything we didn't

540
00:37:35,376 --> 00:37:42,736
really, that was kind of put on pause for the past few years. And I think the BIDX or the BIDX

541
00:37:42,736 --> 00:37:49,116
project is going to really reinvigorate people that just didn't even think about mining because

542
00:37:49,116 --> 00:37:55,436
is so out of reach, and it really puts passion into understanding.

543
00:37:55,896 --> 00:38:01,436
Yeah, I definitely love home miners for the fact that you get to learn about Bitcoin mining

544
00:38:01,436 --> 00:38:05,776
and everything that it involves without dumping a lot of cash.

545
00:38:09,216 --> 00:38:13,116
Yeah, so you said you have to leave soon.

546
00:38:13,116 --> 00:38:17,176
Before you leave us, anything you want to plug?

547
00:38:19,116 --> 00:38:23,616
Anything I want to plug? Oh, man. Okay. If you're going to Vegas, come see our booth in the Bazaar.

548
00:38:23,776 --> 00:38:27,336
We literally don't sell anything, and we just give stuff out the entire time.

549
00:38:28,116 --> 00:38:34,896
So we show you all about 3D printing, why it's awesome, and we just give stuff that we've printed out the entire conference there.

550
00:38:34,896 --> 00:38:40,636
And just to say hi to the community and everyone that has supported us for now almost eight years.

551
00:38:40,796 --> 00:38:45,596
So that's how we give back a little bit. So definitely stop by there.

552
00:38:46,156 --> 00:38:49,876
If you are looking for a Bidax or a home miner, we definitely sell them.

553
00:38:50,276 --> 00:38:55,616
There's also other good retailers out there, but we do have them if you're ever looking to get one.

554
00:38:58,016 --> 00:39:00,176
Avi, they have Bidax earrings.

555
00:39:01,036 --> 00:39:01,876
Yeah, we do.

556
00:39:02,416 --> 00:39:03,056
They don't work.

557
00:39:03,716 --> 00:39:05,156
Avi only wears one earring.

558
00:39:05,236 --> 00:39:06,936
It's a dangly one, but it's perfect.

559
00:39:07,196 --> 00:39:07,736
There we go.

560
00:39:09,916 --> 00:39:10,956
We do indeed.

561
00:39:10,956 --> 00:39:18,496
tell me i saw something um one conference that you were at that your sign was handwritten what

562
00:39:18,496 --> 00:39:24,616
did it say oh uh so that happened because we were very cheap the very first bitcoin conference we

563
00:39:24,616 --> 00:39:29,836
went to with we didn't have any money and uh we found a piece of cardboard and a big sharpie

564
00:39:29,836 --> 00:39:35,836
and we literally hand drew crypto cloaks and then we said sold the real sign stack sats instead

565
00:39:35,836 --> 00:39:40,176
and that's pretty much where the whole tradition has been born from.

566
00:39:40,676 --> 00:39:43,296
So now every conference we go to, we don't have flashy stuff.

567
00:39:43,396 --> 00:39:49,396
Our booth literally has nothing but a big, giant cardboard sign that says crypto cloaks on it.

568
00:39:50,516 --> 00:39:52,756
And what are the space moldings?

569
00:39:52,756 --> 00:39:55,936
I saw some 3D printed astronauts.

570
00:39:56,616 --> 00:39:57,016
Oh, yeah.

571
00:39:57,096 --> 00:40:01,696
So we have those astronauts that we usually, we just give those out, right?

572
00:40:01,696 --> 00:40:06,136
And then we're also just showing even more prints that we're doing.

573
00:40:06,556 --> 00:40:07,816
So we have astronauts.

574
00:40:08,396 --> 00:40:13,496
We'll bring some BitXs just to show those off, show people what they're like.

575
00:40:13,696 --> 00:40:15,196
We'll bring Bitcoin grenades.

576
00:40:15,356 --> 00:40:19,076
We'll bring a whole bunch of different things that we even sell and print ourselves.

577
00:40:20,776 --> 00:40:27,756
And any space heater, 3D-printed space heaters for like S9s?

578
00:40:28,156 --> 00:40:30,836
Oh, I didn't even think about bringing one of those.

579
00:40:30,836 --> 00:40:35,316
I might, yeah, my truck is already getting really full for the drive down.

580
00:40:35,756 --> 00:40:37,556
But I will try to bring a space heater.

581
00:40:37,676 --> 00:40:41,196
I know last year and the year before we actually did bring one just to show it off.

582
00:40:41,296 --> 00:40:42,596
So thank you for the reminder.

583
00:40:42,776 --> 00:40:43,636
I'll put that in my notes.

584
00:40:43,756 --> 00:40:44,196
I'll bring one.

585
00:40:44,816 --> 00:40:46,816
Are you taking Route 66 there?

586
00:40:46,876 --> 00:40:47,396
Getting your kicks?

587
00:40:48,636 --> 00:40:49,076
I don't.

588
00:40:49,756 --> 00:40:52,176
Do I take Route 66 from Colorado?

589
00:40:53,416 --> 00:40:54,356
It's right there.

590
00:40:54,436 --> 00:40:56,216
It goes right through Flagstaff.

591
00:40:57,176 --> 00:40:59,736
God, I think I actually do take Route 66.

592
00:41:00,836 --> 00:41:08,496
Well, hit a diner up, you know, maybe take your just channel your 40 printer going back in time.

593
00:41:09,116 --> 00:41:10,056
Hell yeah, man.

594
00:41:11,336 --> 00:41:16,596
Well, hey, I know time is scarce and I appreciate you making time for us today.

595
00:41:17,816 --> 00:41:18,896
Anything else, Javi?

596
00:41:20,056 --> 00:41:22,336
No, I appreciate you taking the time.

597
00:41:22,456 --> 00:41:24,076
This could have gone on for a lot longer.

598
00:41:24,636 --> 00:41:28,496
Maybe next time, cloaks, when your kid's a little more grown up.

599
00:41:28,496 --> 00:41:35,656
and uh yeah definitely next time i will i would love to come back and like talk more about 3d

600
00:41:35,656 --> 00:41:40,916
printing and all of this because i i really do enjoy it and thank you for having me i wish i

601
00:41:40,916 --> 00:41:45,616
could stay longer but we we've never had a show like this so um i mean obviously it's

602
00:41:46,296 --> 00:41:51,216
all of our shows are pleb or nostre adjacent but uh you know we have not gotten a 3d printing

603
00:41:51,216 --> 00:41:57,776
and i think that open source uh 3d printing is a very intriguing topic that we can dive into yeah

604
00:41:57,776 --> 00:42:00,316
If you guys will have me, I'll definitely come back after the conference.

605
00:42:01,856 --> 00:42:02,576
All right.

606
00:42:02,716 --> 00:42:05,076
Well, until next time, thank you very much.

607
00:42:05,856 --> 00:42:07,836
Avi, we're going to do something a little different today.

608
00:42:07,936 --> 00:42:08,896
We're going to keep talking.

609
00:42:10,476 --> 00:42:11,656
Indeed, we are, QW.

610
00:42:11,976 --> 00:42:17,076
And I have to say, it is an interesting show we have today

611
00:42:17,076 --> 00:42:23,816
because our top zapper has disappeared from Noster.

612
00:42:23,816 --> 00:42:28,236
so the roast was for

613
00:42:28,236 --> 00:42:29,796
an anonymous

614
00:42:29,796 --> 00:42:31,136
vanished person

615
00:42:31,136 --> 00:42:34,076
and we're going to do our conversation

616
00:42:34,076 --> 00:42:35,956
in two parts, one before the guest segment

617
00:42:35,956 --> 00:42:38,116
and one after. There is always a first

618
00:42:38,116 --> 00:42:38,456
time

619
00:42:38,456 --> 00:42:41,396
Yes

620
00:42:41,396 --> 00:42:44,196
And there is

621
00:42:44,196 --> 00:42:46,036
a first time for something

622
00:42:46,036 --> 00:42:47,056
else, QW

623
00:42:47,056 --> 00:42:50,056
We will get into more

624
00:42:50,056 --> 00:42:51,576
detail on the show

625
00:42:51,576 --> 00:42:55,516
next week when we will have Oscar from Fountain

626
00:42:55,516 --> 00:42:58,576
and Davidas from RSS Blue join us

627
00:42:58,576 --> 00:43:01,116
to talk about something exciting.

628
00:43:02,156 --> 00:43:06,316
But as some of you might have noticed on Fountain,

629
00:43:06,596 --> 00:43:10,136
there is now a little subscribe button

630
00:43:10,136 --> 00:43:15,736
next to the, or right under the Plep Chain Radio page.

631
00:43:16,336 --> 00:43:21,196
And yes, we are going to offer subscriptions

632
00:43:21,196 --> 00:43:23,876
the

633
00:43:23,876 --> 00:43:27,336
Avi, is that a highly controversial

634
00:43:27,336 --> 00:43:28,516
button?

635
00:43:29,176 --> 00:43:31,116
I was going to say, it appears

636
00:43:31,116 --> 00:43:33,036
to have kicked off a bit of a

637
00:43:33,036 --> 00:43:34,776
hornet's nest

638
00:43:34,776 --> 00:43:37,156
QW

639
00:43:37,156 --> 00:43:37,616
because

640
00:43:37,616 --> 00:43:40,576
we got some pushback

641
00:43:40,576 --> 00:43:43,016
apparently this is not value

642
00:43:43,016 --> 00:43:44,956
for value and we have failed

643
00:43:44,956 --> 00:43:46,276
the movement somehow

644
00:43:46,276 --> 00:43:48,616
yeah

645
00:43:48,616 --> 00:43:50,456
it's, you know, honestly

646
00:43:50,456 --> 00:43:57,856
when we when we first talked about you know jumping into this fountain deal a lot of it

647
00:43:57,856 --> 00:44:03,036
just comes down to how we like to trailblaze we like to try stuff new we like to be on the

648
00:44:03,036 --> 00:44:09,896
let's just look let's be honest we we have a very lightweight show Avi we don't we can bounce

649
00:44:09,896 --> 00:44:15,936
around we're not someone that's uh we we definitely you know we're not on video we don't have our

650
00:44:15,936 --> 00:44:22,356
background set up with our neon signs and all those bells and whistles that you see with kind of,

651
00:44:23,016 --> 00:44:29,956
you know, your typical shows. But that also allows us a lot of movement. You know, we're audio only.

652
00:44:30,516 --> 00:44:38,736
We've been with, we went from rss.com to RSS Blue. That was seamless. We've gone from Nostra

653
00:44:38,736 --> 00:44:45,736
Nest where we've endured. We endured there. And now we're at Zap.Stream. We have no

654
00:44:45,736 --> 00:44:50,736
problem jumping in a way we're kind of like those people that sell their house every two years and

655
00:44:50,736 --> 00:44:55,676
just or maybe just rearrange the living room and make just to make you feel like it's a new room

656
00:44:55,676 --> 00:45:04,776
right yeah indeed we are so do you want to talk a little bit about what what the subscription

657
00:45:04,776 --> 00:45:13,296
entails yeah so the the subscription with uh fountain basically uh you know what they're

658
00:45:13,296 --> 00:45:22,736
offering, let's say, everyday podcasters out there. A lot of podcasts have commercials. We do

659
00:45:22,736 --> 00:45:29,016
not do that. So the easiest thing for these other podcasts would be, well, I'm going to sell you

660
00:45:29,016 --> 00:45:34,376
premium and you're not going to have commercials, kind of like you see with Netflix, where, okay,

661
00:45:34,376 --> 00:45:40,876
here's your Netflix subscription for 10 bucks, but it's got half of its commercials. So we'll

662
00:45:40,876 --> 00:45:47,916
just offer you this other package which doesn't have commercials. Well, that's just not even an

663
00:45:47,916 --> 00:45:58,056
option. We would never do that to listeners. So what premium gets you is early access. That's one

664
00:45:58,056 --> 00:46:03,936
thing. But what I'm finding, Avi, after we kind of discussed about what could be premium,

665
00:46:03,936 --> 00:46:10,016
is we start to create our off branch, our offshoots of of PubChain Radio.

666
00:46:10,296 --> 00:46:14,276
So maybe I dive into more value for value music.

667
00:46:14,656 --> 00:46:18,436
Maybe I dive into, you know, swimming with dolphins.

668
00:46:18,436 --> 00:46:26,816
Who knows, Avi, whatever your passion is, maybe you start to we kind of branch off into kind of a subset of PubChain Radio.

669
00:46:27,336 --> 00:46:32,256
I know you're a writer. I know you, you know, you have different inspirations than I do.

670
00:46:32,256 --> 00:46:41,996
And I think discovering those and creating content around that, at the very least, it's a beautiful experiment.

671
00:46:42,636 --> 00:46:42,776
Yeah.

672
00:46:43,356 --> 00:46:43,716
Yeah.

673
00:46:44,236 --> 00:46:45,096
Agreed, QW.

674
00:46:45,416 --> 00:46:49,676
So really, these would be bonus episodes for subscribers only.

675
00:46:49,816 --> 00:46:52,356
Maybe we'll play 10 or 20 minutes afterwards.

676
00:46:52,421 --> 00:46:56,441
so that people can get a taste of what's in a bonus episode.

677
00:46:56,581 --> 00:46:59,121
But for the rest of it, we'll be subscriber only.

678
00:46:59,221 --> 00:47:00,041
These will be one-off.

679
00:47:00,101 --> 00:47:01,561
Maybe we'll do one or two a month.

680
00:47:01,981 --> 00:47:04,201
You do one solo, one bonus episode.

681
00:47:04,281 --> 00:47:06,521
I do a solo bonus episode.

682
00:47:07,021 --> 00:47:09,601
We'll release it every other week.

683
00:47:10,021 --> 00:47:12,281
Makes it a couple a month.

684
00:47:12,381 --> 00:47:15,161
And then, of course, our regular cadence doesn't change.

685
00:47:15,301 --> 00:47:15,981
It's still on Friday.

686
00:47:15,981 --> 00:47:21,241
It's still, honestly, going to be free and live on Zap.stream.

687
00:47:21,241 --> 00:47:46,301
Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, you're still getting the same thing. If you don't want to, you know, throw sats and you just want to listen, you just want to listen on Spotify. Shame on you, but you can. We're not changing anything. So we're just creating another avenue. And maybe people want to pay with a fiat rail. Burn it. Burn it because it'll go right to sats.

688
00:47:46,301 --> 00:47:53,121
mm-hmm well they will have to come to fountain to purchase the subscription if they want early

689
00:47:53,121 --> 00:48:00,881
access and the bonus episodes well and another unique thing about that obvious uh 90 our stat

690
00:48:00,881 --> 00:48:07,401
line is is crazy as far as our analytics we're like 90 fountain listeners uh i don't know if

691
00:48:07,401 --> 00:48:13,501
there's a show out there that's got that then again we are highly promotive of nostor client

692
00:48:13,501 --> 00:48:21,001
fountain that's kind of our base but it's a unique experience experiment and I think

693
00:48:21,001 --> 00:48:27,241
ultimately we're also providing feedback to fountain because we appreciate what they've done

694
00:48:27,241 --> 00:48:32,921
as they've created a social environment they made podcasting social

695
00:48:32,921 --> 00:48:40,521
Oscar's always been there he's a friend of the show Dovidas was freaking amazing when we switched

696
00:48:40,521 --> 00:48:44,501
to RSS Blue, we somewhat have some loyalty there

697
00:48:44,501 --> 00:48:48,501
that, you know, it was hard to say no, right?

698
00:48:49,821 --> 00:48:51,021
Oh, it certainly was.

699
00:48:51,021 --> 00:48:55,181
And I will add, QW, we are the very first podcast

700
00:48:55,181 --> 00:48:56,841
to be on Fountain Premium.

701
00:48:58,701 --> 00:48:59,941
Or I should say Plep Chain,

702
00:49:00,061 --> 00:49:02,561
taking this subscription offering from Fountain,

703
00:49:02,921 --> 00:49:04,101
Plep Chain Radio Premium.

704
00:49:05,201 --> 00:49:05,761
Godspeed.

705
00:49:06,021 --> 00:49:07,221
Yeah, we'll see how this goes.

706
00:49:09,121 --> 00:49:10,301
We'll see how it goes.

707
00:49:10,521 --> 00:49:12,801
It just started to kick the Horton's nest.

708
00:49:15,021 --> 00:49:15,461
Yeah.

709
00:49:15,661 --> 00:49:16,581
And you know what?

710
00:49:16,801 --> 00:49:19,241
I would love to see Avi in the future.

711
00:49:19,721 --> 00:49:20,761
And I don't know.

712
00:49:20,861 --> 00:49:21,461
I don't know.

713
00:49:21,601 --> 00:49:25,441
I mean, I can't wait till our show with Dovidas and Oscar.

714
00:49:25,701 --> 00:49:28,941
Because I think there's features that we aren't talking about.

715
00:49:29,101 --> 00:49:30,361
And I'd love to learn more.

716
00:49:30,981 --> 00:49:34,401
So I'm sure there's some other stuff that's...

717
00:49:34,401 --> 00:49:37,241
I mean, there's one thing Fountain's always been doing is evolving.

718
00:49:37,241 --> 00:49:40,921
and I love what they've been doing with the live streaming.

719
00:49:41,541 --> 00:49:45,001
So typically, Toonster will be live streaming

720
00:49:45,001 --> 00:49:46,761
and you have your boost for Zaps.

721
00:49:48,181 --> 00:49:51,381
I just love that they've supported music,

722
00:49:51,621 --> 00:49:54,541
they've supported creators, they've supported musicians.

723
00:49:55,341 --> 00:49:58,561
It's a space that, at the very least,

724
00:49:59,301 --> 00:50:03,881
it's an alternative to what we're used to,

725
00:50:03,881 --> 00:50:09,001
Spotify, Apple, where it's really a contender at this point.

726
00:50:09,261 --> 00:50:10,801
And it's a real product.

727
00:50:11,161 --> 00:50:13,341
And I'm just happy to be a part of it.

728
00:50:13,801 --> 00:50:16,221
And I'm excited.

729
00:50:16,581 --> 00:50:19,141
And maybe it sucks, Avi.

730
00:50:19,441 --> 00:50:21,761
Maybe we're just, it sucks.

731
00:50:22,021 --> 00:50:23,841
But at least we're trying.

732
00:50:24,941 --> 00:50:25,401
No, certainly.

733
00:50:26,321 --> 00:50:28,241
There's always that chance, QW.

734
00:50:29,061 --> 00:50:30,361
And that's Nostra, right?

735
00:50:30,361 --> 00:50:33,181
We are at the tip of the spear of experimentation.

736
00:50:33,881 --> 00:50:36,361
And this is a grand experiment we're undertaking.

737
00:50:36,861 --> 00:50:40,641
We've already gotten some pushback on it.

738
00:50:41,841 --> 00:50:44,101
So we'll see how it plays out.

739
00:50:44,521 --> 00:50:47,661
One other thing I'd add about Fountain is they will have streaming.

740
00:50:47,781 --> 00:50:49,161
I don't think it's available just yet.

741
00:50:49,441 --> 00:50:50,881
I know you mentioned the tunes for streams,

742
00:50:50,881 --> 00:50:55,561
but for the podcast itself, that is something that should be available.

743
00:50:55,761 --> 00:50:59,501
So there'll be a second avenue for folks to listen live.

744
00:51:00,921 --> 00:51:02,881
And again, listening live is free, right?

745
00:51:02,881 --> 00:51:06,421
you just have to be there at the time the show's been recorded.

746
00:51:06,861 --> 00:51:10,881
One is on zap.stream, and the other one will be on Fountain

747
00:51:10,881 --> 00:51:11,821
once that's available.

748
00:51:12,281 --> 00:51:16,221
And I wonder if they're going to be synergetic in regards to the comments.

749
00:51:16,561 --> 00:51:21,141
Because Avi, I know right now you have your Nostr on your one phone up.

750
00:51:21,321 --> 00:51:23,201
You have your Amethyst chat up.

751
00:51:23,721 --> 00:51:25,201
You have your zap.stream.

752
00:51:26,381 --> 00:51:30,861
I mean, you're clearly talking with everybody as you normally do.

753
00:51:30,861 --> 00:51:32,981
but I wonder if we're going to need

754
00:51:32,981 --> 00:51:34,981
Fountain Up too to make

755
00:51:34,981 --> 00:51:37,021
sure we're on top of all the chats that are

756
00:51:37,021 --> 00:51:52,928
going on How many phones do you want me to buy Kid Ovi Looking like yeah just got a lab in front of you But I would like to see them all kind of combined So you wouldn be able to tell

757
00:51:52,928 --> 00:51:58,808
who's chatting from, let's say, Fountain or, I mean, essentially, that's what Nostra is.

758
00:51:59,368 --> 00:52:05,288
So how does that, hopefully there's cohesion there. This should be, Nostra does a pretty good

759
00:52:05,288 --> 00:52:07,208
job of bringing it all together.

760
00:52:08,468 --> 00:52:11,268
When we used to be on NostraNess

761
00:52:11,268 --> 00:52:13,068
and stream live to

762
00:52:13,068 --> 00:52:14,948
Zap.Stream simultaneously via

763
00:52:14,948 --> 00:52:17,208
NIP53, we used to get

764
00:52:17,208 --> 00:52:19,248
the comments from everywhere in

765
00:52:19,248 --> 00:52:21,068
Nostra, whether

766
00:52:21,068 --> 00:52:23,348
people were listening on Nostra and sending comments

767
00:52:23,348 --> 00:52:25,288
in the chat there, whether they

768
00:52:25,288 --> 00:52:26,908
were listening in on NostraNess

769
00:52:26,908 --> 00:52:29,168
and commenting there or on

770
00:52:29,168 --> 00:52:31,128
Zap.Stream, they would all funnel

771
00:52:31,128 --> 00:52:33,228
in on the Nostra

772
00:52:33,228 --> 00:52:35,268
feed. I'm talking about N-O-S-T-E

773
00:52:35,268 --> 00:52:46,628
the ios app um shout out fabian shout out fabian indeed the swiss army dev the swiss army knife

774
00:52:46,628 --> 00:52:53,868
of nostril development uh but yeah so i i suspect it should be possible if there is a separate

775
00:52:53,868 --> 00:53:01,188
fountain chat as long as it follows the same standard the same nip that the chats here follow

776
00:53:01,188 --> 00:53:03,848
I think we should all merge in.

777
00:53:04,328 --> 00:53:07,268
Maybe we'll find out next week, right, Avi?

778
00:53:08,488 --> 00:53:13,688
Well, it is a fitting show to be our first episode of that sort.

779
00:53:14,628 --> 00:53:15,428
Yeah, yeah.

780
00:53:15,828 --> 00:53:17,108
So, I don't know.

781
00:53:17,188 --> 00:53:18,248
Do you have any remorse?

782
00:53:19,248 --> 00:53:22,268
When you got that first pushback,

783
00:53:22,568 --> 00:53:24,488
what was kind of your initial reaction?

784
00:53:26,728 --> 00:53:29,708
Well, I was somewhat expecting it, QW.

785
00:53:29,708 --> 00:53:33,128
Is there a definition of value for value?

786
00:53:33,128 --> 00:53:34,848
No, there is.

787
00:53:35,208 --> 00:53:36,928
This is the issue.

788
00:53:37,048 --> 00:53:41,848
You're going to run into the no true Scotsman fallacy anywhere, right?

789
00:53:42,008 --> 00:53:42,748
It's a pure.

790
00:53:43,288 --> 00:53:47,508
It is going to be impossible to pass a value for value purity test for anyone.

791
00:53:47,768 --> 00:53:57,908
Because just if someone comes and says, well, I have the purest interpretation of value for value, there's going to be one other person is going to say, ah, but you said X, Y, Z.

792
00:53:57,908 --> 00:54:02,028
So therefore, I have a purer definition of value for value.

793
00:54:02,328 --> 00:54:04,788
No true Scotsman, no true value for value, right?

794
00:54:05,048 --> 00:54:11,768
So that is, I have no interest in getting into conversations

795
00:54:11,768 --> 00:54:15,408
that will end up in some kind of reductive absurdity.

796
00:54:16,488 --> 00:54:19,468
So yeah, that was my reaction when I saw it.

797
00:54:19,728 --> 00:54:21,348
Avi, do you even run your own relay?

798
00:54:22,268 --> 00:54:23,548
I do, I do.

799
00:54:24,308 --> 00:54:26,528
Do you run your own node and your relay?

800
00:54:26,528 --> 00:54:29,788
what's your sovereign stack for using Noster?

801
00:54:31,088 --> 00:54:32,428
Nice try, Fed.

802
00:54:34,768 --> 00:54:37,728
But no, I mean, we see this in the culture no matter if,

803
00:54:37,768 --> 00:54:39,748
and that's why I think there's so much synergy too

804
00:54:39,748 --> 00:54:43,728
with value for value all the way to the pleb,

805
00:54:44,148 --> 00:54:47,228
Bitcoin pleb and run your own node.

806
00:54:48,688 --> 00:54:51,748
If you have a miner, you need to be mining to your own node.

807
00:54:51,748 --> 00:54:56,528
You need to go to decentralized stratum mining pool.

808
00:54:56,888 --> 00:55:00,648
All these things, you get in this kind of,

809
00:55:01,168 --> 00:55:04,488
just get pulled in to where you need to be doing everything correct

810
00:55:04,488 --> 00:55:06,408
to be a perfect pleb.

811
00:55:07,368 --> 00:55:11,848
But what I'm saying is that is a losing game

812
00:55:11,848 --> 00:55:13,748
because you will never be perfect.

813
00:55:13,888 --> 00:55:15,508
There's always that next thing you could be doing.

814
00:55:16,428 --> 00:55:16,608
Yeah.

815
00:55:18,008 --> 00:55:19,588
Not to knock Odell,

816
00:55:19,588 --> 00:55:26,748
But remember when he was just ragging on Waller Satoshi back in the day when we were first on Noster?

817
00:55:27,888 --> 00:55:34,268
And everything was, it's just like, you know, custodial this, custodial that for pocket change, really.

818
00:55:34,848 --> 00:55:40,768
But eventually, you know, even Odell is at primal.net now.

819
00:55:40,988 --> 00:55:41,888
So there you go.

820
00:55:43,228 --> 00:55:47,928
Custodial and soft KYC, which Waller Satoshi did not have.

821
00:55:49,588 --> 00:56:02,328
so yeah uh john smith from uh costa rica soft kyc so kw what are you thinking about for your bonus

822
00:56:02,328 --> 00:56:10,128
episodes oh like i said i think um one one thing i'm i'm kind of hobbying right now and maybe it's

823
00:56:10,128 --> 00:56:15,968
just hobby stuff maybe it's things i'm kind of playing with so i got my bid axe uh i would like

824
00:56:15,968 --> 00:56:20,548
I'm kind of passionate about this whole mining deal

825
00:56:20,548 --> 00:56:23,908
and uniting the clans, getting miners together.

826
00:56:23,908 --> 00:56:37,254
I know Heather just posted in our chat we have 29 workers now in our pool And what we did with our pool is we doing a one Bitcoin bounty If anybody finds that block then the rest would be spread through our pool

827
00:56:37,254 --> 00:56:49,154
But we also have, like tomorrow, the same pool is going to be run with 150, 250 petahash block party.

828
00:56:50,034 --> 00:56:51,674
So there's things like that.

829
00:56:51,834 --> 00:56:52,754
I think it's intriguing.

830
00:56:53,094 --> 00:56:54,314
It's fun to talk about.

831
00:56:54,314 --> 00:56:57,714
just making it more of a creative space

832
00:56:57,714 --> 00:57:01,274
and really talk about, you know, even like Man Like Quex

833
00:57:01,274 --> 00:57:06,654
and what he's doing with Poa in Tanzania in the dance battle.

834
00:57:07,154 --> 00:57:10,454
Maybe not the mainstream, but maybe the niche stuff.

835
00:57:10,594 --> 00:57:14,174
I mean, obviously mainstream, we're already pretty niche,

836
00:57:14,414 --> 00:57:16,854
but maybe even micro niche.

837
00:57:19,694 --> 00:57:20,254
Yeah.

838
00:57:20,814 --> 00:57:23,114
What about you, calligraphy or something?

839
00:57:24,314 --> 00:57:33,634
You know, with our shows, I mean, we have fantastic guests, but I think we are limited by the fact that it's a once a week show.

840
00:57:33,834 --> 00:57:38,454
And there are so many topics and so many people to have these conversations with.

841
00:57:38,454 --> 00:57:51,474
So I think I will focus on some of those conversations, perhaps more on the philosophy side, maybe more on the deeply technical side of either Bitcoin or Nostra.

842
00:57:51,474 --> 00:57:57,714
And I don't think about it, but I think those two seem immediately compelling to me.

843
00:57:58,054 --> 00:58:01,014
We haven't had enough philosophers on the show.

844
00:58:01,074 --> 00:58:03,534
We've had a few, but in my mind, not enough.

845
00:58:03,634 --> 00:58:07,054
And again, it's just a factor of this being a once a week show.

846
00:58:07,174 --> 00:58:12,694
And there's too many amazing people and not enough shows to have them on.

847
00:58:13,234 --> 00:58:18,214
What if one of my episodes gets 10,000 views and yours gets 100?

848
00:58:18,214 --> 00:58:23,314
You know, I would be really happy because that would mean we have 10,000 subscribers.

849
00:58:28,914 --> 00:58:30,154
There's a rising tide.

850
00:58:31,394 --> 00:58:33,654
Truth to light, dark to light.

851
00:58:34,674 --> 00:58:43,814
Well, in fairness, QW, I suspect you gravitate towards topics that people resonate with a lot more than I do.

852
00:58:44,734 --> 00:58:46,394
I mean, think about it.

853
00:58:46,414 --> 00:58:51,354
If I got some guy or gal and we spent an hour talking about Kierkegaard,

854
00:58:51,614 --> 00:58:56,174
how many views do you think that would get versus you talking about Valley for Valley music?

855
00:58:56,814 --> 00:59:01,634
Yeah, I definitely lean to the very emotional side of things.

856
00:59:02,374 --> 00:59:05,814
A little bit of philosophical, but mainly positive emotions.

857
00:59:06,814 --> 00:59:12,814
And you do too, but you certainly have a different background in education.

858
00:59:12,814 --> 00:59:16,754
education, I'd say, and engineering.

859
00:59:18,614 --> 00:59:21,254
Yeah, so lots to look forward to.

860
00:59:22,134 --> 00:59:26,654
Obviously, the Friday shows will always be the main focal point

861
00:59:26,654 --> 00:59:30,294
where we will get, well, I mean, it's just math, right?

862
00:59:30,754 --> 00:59:34,274
I don't think we will have as many subscribers

863
00:59:34,274 --> 00:59:38,654
as subscribers plus non-subscribers.

864
00:59:38,654 --> 00:59:42,754
so this will be the focal point

865
00:59:42,754 --> 00:59:46,854
the Friday shows will always be the ones that get the most listens

866
00:59:46,854 --> 00:59:50,634
and the most downloads but it's an interesting experiment

867
00:59:50,634 --> 00:59:54,094
and it's the new chapter in PCR, I'm looking forward to it

868
00:59:54,094 --> 00:59:57,574
Yeah, I just need to negotiate time

869
00:59:57,574 --> 00:59:59,734
that's the one with the toddler

870
00:59:59,734 --> 01:00:04,514
if this project can afford a babysitter

871
01:00:04,514 --> 01:00:08,414
during my extra time I have to use, that would be amazing

872
01:00:08,414 --> 01:00:15,154
You know, it's nice to not pay for a babysitter while you're doing the Lord's work there.

873
01:00:15,894 --> 01:00:18,374
According to Lorian just said, greetings from Noster.

874
01:00:18,774 --> 01:00:23,294
Looks like Fabian has revamped the integrated live stream experience.

875
01:00:24,094 --> 01:00:28,154
So he must have, we were already talking about N-O-S-T-U-R, Fabian,

876
01:00:28,394 --> 01:00:33,634
but it sounds like there's been an update in the live stream experience is that much better.

877
01:00:33,634 --> 01:00:41,214
So anybody that has iOS, check out Noster, especially during the live shows.

878
01:00:42,354 --> 01:00:47,454
I would say the most versatile Noster app I've used.

879
01:00:47,634 --> 01:00:52,734
Now, granted, I've never used Android, so I don't know what Amethyst is like.

880
01:00:52,794 --> 01:00:54,234
I've heard good things.

881
01:00:54,234 --> 01:00:56,754
but from my experience

882
01:00:56,754 --> 01:01:02,094
the velocity with which Fabian ships

883
01:01:02,094 --> 01:01:05,734
features and he's got his ear to the ground

884
01:01:05,734 --> 01:01:09,974
all it takes is for someone to make a comment about some missing feature

885
01:01:09,974 --> 01:01:13,814
and not even directed at him but he picks it up and

886
01:01:13,814 --> 01:01:25,461
it in the app within the next build in a couple of days not only that it it not as it not it seems like whenever he updates there not a lot of errors you know bugs

887
01:01:26,281 --> 01:01:28,421
It seems just pretty smooth.

888
01:01:29,701 --> 01:01:30,521
It does.

889
01:01:31,201 --> 01:01:38,541
Hey, so Fabian, if you are listening, all you have to do is fix your UI to make it look

890
01:01:38,541 --> 01:01:39,901
slick and smooth.

891
01:01:39,901 --> 01:01:44,861
And I promise you, I will, Nostra will become my number one app.

892
01:01:44,861 --> 01:01:48,621
Oh, and you need Zaps, which I think now that Apple is...

893
01:01:48,621 --> 01:01:49,181
It's all Rostr Wallet Connect.

894
01:01:49,681 --> 01:01:51,021
Yeah, you can do it.

895
01:01:51,501 --> 01:01:53,361
Yeah, but that's true.

896
01:01:53,601 --> 01:01:54,641
Don't tell anybody.

897
01:01:57,401 --> 01:01:59,461
Yeah, I saw someone today on Noster.

898
01:01:59,641 --> 01:02:03,421
They're like, just got Zapping set up with Noster.

899
01:02:04,321 --> 01:02:06,161
It took a little bit, but I got it.

900
01:02:06,261 --> 01:02:06,661
Wow.

901
01:02:07,461 --> 01:02:09,501
So, yeah, if there's a will, there's a way,

902
01:02:09,701 --> 01:02:11,281
but there absolutely is a way.

903
01:02:11,281 --> 01:02:15,861
yeah and Korn says use the

904
01:02:15,861 --> 01:02:17,481
new black and white theme

905
01:02:17,481 --> 01:02:19,381
Kornelorian's

906
01:02:19,381 --> 01:02:22,201
he's quite the Noster salesman

907
01:02:22,201 --> 01:02:24,261
he is

908
01:02:24,261 --> 01:02:26,161
some say QW he's on

909
01:02:26,161 --> 01:02:28,321
primal's payroll how can someone

910
01:02:28,321 --> 01:02:30,221
who praises Noster so much be on

911
01:02:30,221 --> 01:02:32,321
primal's payroll it's opsec

912
01:02:32,321 --> 01:02:34,181
Javi that is true

913
01:02:34,181 --> 01:02:35,761
it's a clever decoy

914
01:02:35,761 --> 01:02:39,681
just for the record folks

915
01:02:39,681 --> 01:02:43,121
Condolorin is not on Primal's payroll.

916
01:02:43,601 --> 01:02:45,721
I saw someone post that on Nostra the other day.

917
01:02:46,221 --> 01:02:48,601
And frankly, utterly absurd thing to say.

918
01:02:50,081 --> 01:02:51,201
I'm here for it.

919
01:02:51,361 --> 01:02:52,401
Embrace the chaos, Avi.

920
01:02:55,101 --> 01:02:56,841
Well, I think that's it.

921
01:02:56,961 --> 01:02:58,821
I mean, we extended it to...

922
01:02:58,821 --> 01:03:02,121
What happened here is our guest was set up

923
01:03:02,121 --> 01:03:06,421
and he had a little family stuff to get to.

924
01:03:06,421 --> 01:03:08,501
So we roll with it.

925
01:03:08,501 --> 01:03:15,501
We wanted to give a solid hour plus, give you the respect, respect your eardrums.

926
01:03:18,681 --> 01:03:22,401
Anything else you want to talk about, Avi, or you want to wrap it up?

927
01:03:22,901 --> 01:03:23,901
No, I think I'm good.

928
01:03:24,141 --> 01:03:26,401
This was, I have to say, a unique show, QW.

929
01:03:26,561 --> 01:03:28,501
I don't think we've done anything like this.

930
01:03:28,641 --> 01:03:34,281
An anonymous top zapper or, I guess, a redacted top zapper.

931
01:03:34,761 --> 01:03:35,921
I don't even know what to call it.

932
01:03:35,921 --> 01:03:37,441
plus our guest

933
01:03:37,441 --> 01:03:38,641
I just can't get those zaps back

934
01:03:38,641 --> 01:03:39,921
I'm sorry about that

935
01:03:39,921 --> 01:03:41,501
not to account it's been deleted

936
01:03:41,501 --> 01:03:42,721
that is true

937
01:03:42,721 --> 01:03:46,581
and then having this filler section

938
01:03:46,581 --> 01:03:49,041
which I'm glad we got a chance to talk about

939
01:03:49,041 --> 01:03:52,381
the subscription and so on

940
01:03:52,381 --> 01:03:54,641
but much more on that

941
01:03:54,641 --> 01:03:56,821
on next week's episode

942
01:03:56,821 --> 01:03:59,141
when we will have

943
01:03:59,141 --> 01:04:00,941
Oscar and Dovidas

944
01:04:00,941 --> 01:04:04,181
talk about their exciting new upgrade

945
01:04:04,181 --> 01:04:05,241
that is coming to Fountain

946
01:04:05,241 --> 01:04:12,141
you know i was just thinking the one of our best performing episodes avi was just you and i talking

947
01:04:12,141 --> 01:04:18,221
uh i don't know why but maybe it was because it was our hundredth show uh but we had no guests

948
01:04:18,221 --> 01:04:24,721
and uh it seemed like it uh we we didn't we had no notes we just kind of we just went along with

949
01:04:24,721 --> 01:04:31,261
it right uh today just two dudes with an acute case of the dunning kruger effect episode number

950
01:04:31,261 --> 01:04:39,741
100 yes indeed i i think the the noah and lahav scardust episode i think just overtook that

951
01:04:39,741 --> 01:04:45,421
recently that's another one of our big performers but i would say in the last six months the two of

952
01:04:45,421 --> 01:04:50,981
us chit-chatting on that on show number 100 was the second most popular episode so that is something

953
01:04:50,981 --> 01:04:57,541
yeah maybe something to think about no i don't think people want to i think that was uh is pent

954
01:04:57,541 --> 01:05:04,601
up demand and if the more we talk the the more the uh dunning kruger comes out that is true that is

955
01:05:04,601 --> 01:05:14,361
true all right well i think that's it for today yeah uh thank you crypto cloaks uh awesome i i i

956
01:05:14,361 --> 01:05:20,441
really wanted to talk more um i think it's an intriguing uh guest i think that space itself

957
01:05:20,441 --> 01:05:21,261
with 3D printing.

958
01:05:22,961 --> 01:05:25,381
You can't get more competitive than that.

959
01:05:25,901 --> 01:05:28,981
And good luck governments or regulators

960
01:05:28,981 --> 01:05:31,821
trying to figure out how to get in front of that technology

961
01:05:31,821 --> 01:05:33,521
because the printers just keep getting better.

962
01:05:34,621 --> 01:05:38,421
Shout out to the BIDAX solo miners out there.

963
01:05:38,901 --> 01:05:40,101
I love the movement.

964
01:05:41,341 --> 01:05:44,401
The trend is in the right way, so let's keep rocking.

965
01:05:45,201 --> 01:05:48,721
And thank you very much, everyone listening live.

966
01:05:48,721 --> 01:05:50,721
if you're going to listen to the recording

967
01:05:50,721 --> 01:05:53,181
please please please listen on

968
01:05:53,181 --> 01:05:55,241
Fountain maybe even hit the

969
01:05:55,241 --> 01:05:55,841
subscribe

970
01:05:55,841 --> 01:05:58,161
hit that

971
01:05:58,161 --> 01:06:00,721
hornet's nest a little bit

972
01:06:00,721 --> 01:06:03,361
hit the subscribe and we'll see you next week

973
01:06:03,361 --> 01:06:05,461
goodbye

974
01:06:05,461 --> 01:06:06,821
and

975
01:06:06,821 --> 01:06:08,441
printer is coming