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That's it, Hudson. That's it, O'Him.

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The signal is here. This is Blood Channel Radio.

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Welcome, gentle pioneers, to the lightning-laced airwaves.

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Today is Friday the 27th of February and it is 2.10pm on the east coast of the United States at the time of recording.

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This is episode 153 of Plep Chain Radio.

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And this promises to be a fun one.

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Red Tail Hawk.

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is my guest today, and we are going to get into his backstory

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and all the exciting things that he is working on.

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If you are hearing my voice right now on Spotify or Apple,

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thank you for listening, but also welcome to the Legacy Feed.

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It's a reliable signal, but it's read-only.

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Over here on Fountain and Noster, the frequency is open.

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This is a Valley for Value broadcast.

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There are no corporate scripts and no algorithmic nudges here

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because the producers of the show, that's you, fuel the engine.

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If you want to move from passive listener to active participant,

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come join the signal on the V4V side.

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Now, let's set the table for the final word.

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The executive producer chair for next week is currently empty.

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As always, the top booster secures the title and the right to close out the show

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The rules of the board are simple

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Ratify or rectify

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In a few minutes, I'm going to lay out the sermon

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If the message resonates, boost in to ratify it

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Add your comment and back it up

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If I miss the mark, boost in to rectify it

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and set the record straight.

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The board is in session, and the top supporter gets the mic.

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Let's get into it.

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The sermon is, Fix Yourself to Fix the World.

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We chant, fix the money, fix the world, like a daily incantation.

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We carve it into our digital monuments.

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The phrase carries a profound gravity,

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serving as a rallying cry for a generation exhausted by the endless erosion of value.

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We rightly recognize that writing the ledger is a vital step in correcting the trajectory of human history.

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Yet the equation remains incomplete.

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We've engineered a flawless mirror of mathematical truth,

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a network demanding honesty from a deeply complex species.

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We often expect the protocol to perform alchemy on the human soul.

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We anticipate that a perfect system will automatically heal a fractured operator.

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The protocol functions as an immaculate instrument, but it requires a conscious and steady hand to guide it.

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A sound monetary standard requires a sound human foundation.

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Before we can fully realize the promise of a rebuilt global economy, we must navigate the wilderness of our own internal landscapes

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The time chain demands perfect accountability

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We must bring that same rigorous auditing to our personal lives

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We must excavate our deepest anxieties, face the quiet fears that stir our daily reactions and undertake the painstaking work of personal integration

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True alignment begins in the quiet chambers of the mind

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Long before a transaction ever reaches the mempool

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Sovereign networks demand truly sovereign individuals

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An unhealed mind will inevitably stumble

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Even when handled the most powerful tool ever conceived

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When we carry unexamined pain into a censorship-resistant space

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We risk amplifying the chaos we initially sought to escape

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We must focus on healing the substrate of the self.

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We must actively cultivate resilience, clarity, and a deep internal peace.

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As we forge this new epoch, let us turn the lens inward.

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Let us mend the vessel so it might properly hold the magnitude of our new capabilities.

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An individual who has achieved internal alignment,

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wielding an incorruptible tool,

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becomes an unstoppable force for human flourishing.

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The world undeniably needs our money.

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More crucially, it waits for a healed and grounded humanity ready to wield it.

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And with that, it's time to welcome our guest, Red Tail Hawk.

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Welcome to Plep Chain Radio.

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Thank you. It's great to be here.

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And I got some chills listening to you just now.

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Well, thank you.

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Yeah, I appreciate you saying that, Red.

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So Red, you know, we've interacted a little bit on Noster.

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We were connected by a common friend, also from Noster.

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But for the folks, for the listeners who might be unfamiliar with you and your work,

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why don't you give us a little bit of a background?

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How did you get into this world, into Bitcoin, into Noster?

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And then we could talk about some of the things you're working on.

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Yeah, so I graduated in winter of 2007 with a degree in applied mathematics.

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I had an excellent school career, good grades, high-level testing on standardized testing.

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And then all of a sudden, I flopped coming out of college into the working world because of the subprime financial crisis, the bubble bursting with all the, you know, it's like in that movie, The Big Short and whatnot.

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I had no idea what was going on.

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That wasn't my focus.

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I'd never taken any econ classes.

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I didn't pay attention to CNBC or anything like that.

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So I wasn't really sure what was going on.

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But eventually that led me to, you know, cobbling together an income with multiple part time job, just sleeping on relatives' couches, eventually sleeping in my own car or on a cot that I would set up each night in a back room at work.

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uh, I, you know, would eat whatever food I could get my hands on for free. Oftentimes expired food

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or food that had been discarded, but with still sanitary enough, you know, like it was still

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wrapped up. It hadn't touched anything else in the trash can or I would salvage what I could.

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beneath my means and scrimp and save. And eventually I landed in a corporate job that

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offered me good pay and benefits. And when that happened, I sort of carried forward those personal

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austerity measures and saved, got my credit score rehabbed, started learning about the Ron

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palm movement and the Fed and started learning about precious metals and started investing in

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some boring stocks like mining companies and whatnot. It was around 2017 that I started really

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seriously looking at Bitcoin. It wasn't my first exposure. My first exposure was when it was around

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like four, maybe $500 a coin. And I think I almost literally quoted Satoshi when I said,

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oh yeah, that looks interesting. I might get one of those just as kind of like a lottery ticket

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in case it ever catches on, you know? And then fast forward, you know, 4X the price roughly

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from there is when I finally jumped in. I think I watched it go from 1200 to 1800 US in,

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the span of a work week, at which point it was that Futurama gif where Fry is saying,

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shut up and take my money. Like, okay, I'm into this. At that point, though, I still was just

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kicking the tires on what this whole Bitcoin thing was. And any Bitcoiner who has been around for

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more than a year or two realizes just how much of a complex of rabbit holes this subject is.

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So I did my thing. I listened to my 40 hours per week and I did somewhere between 5,000 and 10,000 hours of listening to Bitcoin podcasts and YouTube videos and reading books and going to meetups and conferences.

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So yeah, I think then around 2021, late 2021, early 2022, I was orange pilling this libertarian discord server. And that's how I wound up earning my name.

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Red Tail Hawk was a woman there, was really enjoying the ways that I was able to stretch her mind out talking about various subjects, economics, networking, and Bitcoin, and all of these types of subjects.

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and so she arranged for an encounter a remote encounter with her medicine man who was like 90

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plus years old unfortunately he's no longer with us as of september of last year but he definitely

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changed my life by helping to resolve what was for me at that time a 53 month long ongoing personal

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mystery. Um, receiving that name really lit a fire underneath me. Uh, it helped me to,

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well, I guess it really catalyzed my ongoing, uh, 37 month long research bender into

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every religious tradition, every esoteric wisdom, tradition, cultural traditions,

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occult traditions. I'm just trying to figure out, you know, the weird stuff that's out there.

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Why do people glom onto these things? And it's been an incredible journey. That research and

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that desire to share that message led me to make an account on X back in 2023. But then later on

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And in 2025, that account got run-pulled.

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So our mutual friend helped me out.

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I was already on Noster.

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And of course, I only found Noster as a result of having been on Naxx and being sort of in the Bitcoin community there.

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But I started building a presence on Noster.

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And that's been my primary social media for probably the last year or so.

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you know red i mean there's a lot there um we just want to go back to your story on the one hand

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an absolutely harrowing tale of what you had to go through during the financial crisis but also

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on the other hand an inspiring one because you were able to dig yourself out of it and

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and build something up right through the sort of slow and i suppose boring process of putting one

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step in front of the other, which surprisingly works.

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It's one of the best things one can do when you find yourself in such situations.

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But the crisis, the financial crisis itself, how exactly did it cause you to essentially

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be on the streets, right, homeless, from what you're saying?

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So a lot of times graduates are faced with a catch-22 where employers want somebody who has five years of experience.

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But how are you supposed to get five years of experience if everyone wants someone who has five years of experience and you're just starting out from college with no experience other than, like I said, part-time jobs that I worked through high school and college.

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So nobody was hiring during that time period because of all the uncertainty.

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I mean, anyone who's watched The Big Short knows that it was just absolutely absurd to consider the idea that the housing market would crash.

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So this was something that was rather unprecedented.

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And when negative unprecedented things occur people tend to panic and then they start to you know tighten up things keep their cards close to the vest And you know they were downsizing not really bringing new people on because they weren sure

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Right. That uncertainty led to a lack of opportunities in the job market.

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So I was all of a sudden my grace period for my student loans ran out and I'm sitting there working a part time job at a grocery store.

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And eventually I got work at a supplemental learning center that kids wouldn't get sent to by their parents for supplemental enrichment outside above and beyond their regular school.

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And that was really, really good as an experience. But again, it didn't pay incredibly well. There was no benefits package. I had no vacation time, that kind of thing. So it was a combination of the markets being down and not being able to find a job that could float my student loan obligations as well as rent and general living expenses.

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yeah that is uh that catch 22 is rough and it's it's uh especially surprising or maybe not that

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surprising given that it was a financial crisis but um you said you were you were studying applied

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mathematics in college right yeah i mean that is applied mathematics is a fairly powerful

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subject right you could you you can apply it to i mean you could you could have gotten into

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banking as well. I mean, that was, people were doing things on the regulatory side, they were

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trying to comply with Basel and all of that stuff. And they were looking for mathematicians,

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presumably. But yeah, that is the weird paradox of the American university education system,

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where you have students taking these massive loans for these colleges, and then the employers

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demanding that you have experience.

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But how on earth are you going to have experience

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without a job?

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So it is a strange place to be in.

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And just thinking about it,

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there is such a big element of luck involved

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in being in the right place at the right time,

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right interview, right?

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And just getting that first job

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just to get you off the ground

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so that you can start paying your,

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paying the interest on your student loans.

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It is a, I mean, it seems like such an absurd system and yet people just get into it like lemmings.

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Yeah, there's so many people out there.

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I just can't imagine what they're going through with, you know, perhaps degrees that are even less marketable.

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That was actually one of the reasons that I got the math degree.

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I initially began my collegiate career by pursuing a degree in mechanical engineering, which I didn't stop enjoying that.

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It's just that at a certain point, it was like, that's not the only thing that I enjoy doing.

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And so I took a step back into applied mathematics, which sort of offers a larger umbrella, if you will.

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It covers more things.

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So I figured that I could always do mechanical engineering if I wanted to, or I could, you know, do consulting work, or I could teach, or I could do accounting or something like that.

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So, and I did wind up doing basically all of those things.

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And, you know, I want to go back to another thing you mentioned, and to the extent you're comfortable talking about this.

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You talked about the 53-month mystery that the medicine man was able to help you unravel.

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What was that?

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So this gets into subjects of a religious and spiritual nature.

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At the time, I didn't really realize this fully.

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I would say that I had an inclination that I had just had some kind of an experience that might have been spiritual.

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But there was a friend of mine who she's brilliant.

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She had just graduated her undergrad and was in chemistry and she was about to go pursue a PhD down in the research triangle in North Carolina.

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And I had visited her and her boyfriend down there the summer of 2018.

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We all had a great time.

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um they had you know again just moved down there so he was looking for work she was starting a new

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phd program in a completely new city where she basically knew nobody except for her boyfriend

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and there was this hurricane florence that was rolling into town and so i have a little bit of a

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prepper mindset like a you know the doomsday prepper show i just frankly think it's responsible

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adulting to be prepared for things. And so I was, you know, in contact with them, helping them plan

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how to deal with the hurricane that was planned or scheduled to make landfall.

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It was September 12th of 2018. And like I said, she and I were very close friends.

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I love her very much. And she and I typically would text one another. But that morning,

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after we had already exchanged a few text messages, she called me. And that was kind of like,

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oh, what's going on? This is sort of abnormal. And she was in absolute shambles because the police

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had just called her and informed her that they had found her boyfriend dead. And this was not

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the first time that she hadn't been involved in a relationship with someone who wound up dead.

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and the first one she actually found him.

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So this, I knew, was going to be a very big trigger for her.

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And with the hurricane rolling in, I knew very well that, you know,

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opportunities to just sort of let the hurricane wash away her worries,

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you know, just go sit out in a park and wait for a yield sign to land in her spleen

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or a Volkswagen to pin her to a tree or something.

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And that's one of those moments where someone is completely fragile and might just choose to punch the exit button.

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And I didn't want that.

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But I left work that day knowing I couldn't really focus on anything but her situation.

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And I drove over to her parents' house.

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they were going to go meet her at the hotel that they hadn't reserved for her and her boyfriend

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so that they couldn't get out of Raleigh. And so I knew that, you know, help was on the way, but

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no one's going to fly me into the path of a hurricane. I didn't have time to drive from

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St. Louis to Raleigh to go get her and, you know, help get her out of there safe and sound and just

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let her be depressed and silk in the passenger seat while I drove. She was going to have to get

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out of here on her own. And as I'm driving around looking for, you know, some sort of a

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place to chill and gather my thoughts. And I was crossing over an interstate highway on

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another interstate highway in my old 93 Ford pickup truck in the left lane doing 70 miles an

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hour when all of a sudden my entire body lit up with the most intense pins and needles sensation

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I've ever had. And the, uh, I remember moments before that started thinking to myself, you know,

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there's nothing you can do. You just need to be at peace with the machinations of the universe

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and her free will. And whatever comes out of that is what will be. And you just need to,

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you know, accept that right now. And it was a moment where my honesty and my surrender sort of

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were overriding the unconditional love that I felt towards her. And I remember

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that intense feeling of pins and needles throughout my entire body, you know, head to

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toe, fingertip to fingertip lasted maybe 10 or 15 seconds. And at the same time, I was unable to

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curl my fingers down and grasp the steering wheel. In sort of India, like the Hindu tradition,

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they talk about like these hand hoses that are called mudras. And it was almost like I was

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experiencing involuntary mudras during this event. And at the time I was agnostic, leaning

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deist. So the idea that, you know, there's something that's a higher power. I don't know

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what I'm unwilling to put a label on it. I had been raised in the Roman Catholic tradition. So

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I was pretty well steeped in that tradition, but I had also sort of taken a step back from that

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in college when philosophy 101 sort of blew my mind. And I found myself honestly having to admit

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that I could not refute a lot of these philosophies that we were studying. And so my confidence that I

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sort of falsely acquired from having been steeped in only one tradition for the first two decades of

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my life sort of evaporated quickly. And so I took a step back to a place of like an open-minded

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agnostic, right? If somebody wanted to invite me to their church or their temple or something,

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I would go. If somebody wanted to evangelize me about something, I would hear them out. But

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I had decided at that point in time that, you know, there was so many like options out there

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for sort of belief sets, I had no idea where to start looking. So it was like paralysis by analysis.

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And so I didn't really pursue it. But in that moment, in that truck driving down that highway,

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right after sort of the pins and needles sensation went away, I remember leaning forward and just

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screaming at the sky through the windshield, what do you want from me? So I have a sense that in

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that moment, I realized that this was some kind of a message from above. I just didn't know how

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to interpret it. So I started doing research online. You know, I looked up enlightenment

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stories. I looked up stories of, I learned about what Kundalini awakening was to a limited extent,

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read a couple of testimonials about that. None of that stuff really seemed to line up with my

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experience and being a math mathematically minded person, we're pretty particular about

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definitions and whatnot. It's, uh, you know, if two sometimes equaled three, the whole system would

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kind of collapse. Right. So I didn't want to misspeak. I didn't want to push false things

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out into the world. So I didn't, you know, make any claims about what had happened.

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it didn't feel like it was a stroke or anything. I don't feel like my cognitive

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processing has been impaired in any way. People tell me I'm, you know, rather eloquent speaker

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and a good writer. I can do triple digit multiplication in my head as like a party trick.

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So I don't think I'm working with any sort of impaired cognition. So I didn't know what it was.

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I even went to some local temples to seek out answers from gurus.

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I went to a local Hindu temple.

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I went to a local Buddhist temple.

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I wound up going back to that Buddhist temple once a month for like a guided meditation and a little bit of a lecture on the tenets of Buddhism, which was good because I was already into like Alan Watts.

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And my favorite band is Wookiee Foot.

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And they draw from a lot of different traditions.

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So I was somewhat familiar with the Buddhist tradition from that vantage point.

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But yeah, when Medicine Man gave me that name, number one, the way that he did it was something that I probably would have been dismissive of in my earlier life.

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It was a palm reading, but it wasn't the type of palm reading where you're geometrically assessing the creases in the flesh.

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That's been part of my research is discovering what was going on there.

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At this point, my sense of what was going on is that he was reading my spirit body, my aura, magneto receptively, magneto sensitively.

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So there was a study in 1998 done and granted it was a small sample size, but a three for three is a good batting average.

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When you got a rookie who goes three for three at the plate you trot them back out there for another game and hope for similar results So they had three participants trip on the psychedelic substance called LSD in a completely black laboratory setting

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pitch black, no lights on, with two horseshoe magnets rotating at half a hertz.

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and all three subjects reported seeing diffuse blobs of colored light.

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The researchers believed that these results were similar to reports from the scientist von Reichenbach in 1851,

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who reported seeing magnet light.

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And they believe that those that experience, those results were ergot induced.

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So, you know, ergot is what Brian Murarescu in The Immortality Key found to have been a psychedelic component of the drink that was consumed by the initiates of the Eleusinian Mysteries.

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So I'm thinking that essentially what was going on at Eleusis and what Medicine Man had been able to do for me was view the spirit body.

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and specifically like if you look into some of the asian energy healing traditions like qigong

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and reiki you know there's the sort of core energy centers of the spirit body the hindus

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refer to them as chakras in these energy healing systems there are also like lesser energy centers

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and there's an energy center that's located in the palm of each hand.

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This is one of the ways that Reiki masters and Qigong masters

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will engage in healing practices is by the use of those palm energy centers.

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There's a book by Jacobo Grinberg who was brilliant,

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but unfortunately he disappeared in the 90s.

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He wrote about the shamans of Mexico.

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one of those shamans was Pachita, and she could visually assess a person from a distance.

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She could also do the palm reading thing too, to figure out what was going on with a person,

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but she couldn't figure out what was going on in mind, body, and spirit, what was afflicting a

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person from a distance, which to me affirms the idea that people who can read auras, if they can

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discern the subtleties of what they're seeing from aura to aura, then they can use that to

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diagnose, to treat, to identify, um, you know, spiritual awakenings, et cetera.

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So that's what medicine man would do. He wouldn't visually assess the energy body via the Lao

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Gong Qi Palm Energy Center, as it's known in the Qi Gong tradition. One other guy got his name and

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got his palm read that day. The name he was given was Stoneface. The name I was given was Redtail

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Hawk. And as I began to look up the meaning of that name, number one, it seemed to fit me

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like a dovetail joint, you know, hand in glove, which kind of knocked my socks off because I've

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never shared a conversation with this guy. I've never been in the same room with him. I've never

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been in the same state knowingly with him. We've never embraced, we've never shared a meal.

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So how could he give me a name that fit me this well? That blew my mind for starters. But

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eventually, as I was looking up this name, it seemed like it had a lot of honor baked into it.

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And so I started, I started experiencing imposter syndrome. Like, are you, are you sure that I have earned this name? And I asked my friend, like, you know, does your medicine man usually give out names like that? And she, you know, she responded, no. And frankly, I'm kind of intimidated by, you know, like, oh my gosh.

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Um, okay. So I started taking this very seriously. And one of the videos that I was looking at on

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YouTube mentioned that red tail hawk people oftentimes have a, you know, a Kundalini

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relationship. Kundalini is a Sanskrit word. It means coiled. And essentially it's talking about

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the divine feminine, the spark of the divine, there's a component of the spirit body that's

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wrapped three and a half times around the root chakra. And when higher dormant chakras are

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activated, the serpent ceases to remain coiled around the root chakra and it rises up through

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what could be analogized as the spine of the spirit body, which runs in very close proximity

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to, if not, you know, interpenetrating the actual physical spine. Now, if LSD and ergot and certain

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psychedelics afford a person magnetoreceptive vision, and if, you know, like hippies are talking

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about being able to see people's aura, and if medicine man who, you know, you think about the

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medicine man tradition, there's a, people know that there's a traditional consumption of psychedelics

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typically associated with that tradition. It would make sense then that the spirit body is in some

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way, shape or form magnetic, probably electromagnetic. And so that serpentine component

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of the spirit body would also likely be magnetic. It's probably plasma, but you know,

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Scientists control plasma in laboratory settings using magnetic fields.

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if you make the hitchhiker's thumb with your right hand, the current is flowing in the direction of your thumb

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and it induces a magnetic field in the direction that your fingers are pointing.

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it's going to induce electrical current to flow in that copper wire.

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Well, the electrical system of the human body is the central nervous system,

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and the spine is the core manifold of that system.

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So when that serpentine component is moving upwards,

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because it's activating higher chakras that were dormant,

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you've got a magnetic field moving along that manifold,

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inducing electrical activity, inducing polarity in that system.

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I think that's essentially what I was experiencing with that intense pins and needles sensation

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throughout my entire body.

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I think that's essentially why the baptism of the Holy Spirit is described as fiery.

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It's why jinn in Islam are said to be related to smokeless fire.

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it's uh why you know dragons are said to have fiery breath you know dragons are basically just

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serpents draco was a big serpent it's a serpent with wings basically there's a lot of you know

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spiritual fire references and that tends to be how people describe these kundalini awakening

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moments is that it's internal fire or it's like electrical fire being struck by spiritual lightning

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or as I described it as intense pins and needles throughout my entire body.

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But that led me to start researching Kundalini.

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But then the thought came to mind like, yeah, but if this is true,

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if this aspect of the Hindu faith is true,

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why do billions of people worldwide adhere to the teachings of Judaism or Christ or, you know,

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in Islam of Muhammad or Buddhism or all of these different traditions. And then I remembered that,

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you know, having learned about this serpentine component of the spirit body that,

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You know, serpents were actually revered all around the world.

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I mean, look at Graham Hancock's show.

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He's constantly talking about that subject.

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Then I remembered one passage from the New Testament, Matthew 10, 16.

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Jesus told the disciples, be therefore wise as serpents and harmless as doves.

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And I'm like, OK, that's it.

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He knew about this.

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And then I remembered there are people who've suggested that Jesus traveled during the missing years.

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And so I started looking back into the idea that Jesus traveled.

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And so basically that turned into studying all of these different faith traditions, looking for the common ground that they shared.

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and that's essentially what my research turned into was i guess you could call it an apologia

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an apology of the perennial philosophy perennial like perennial flowers they just keep popping up

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right it's uh everywhere i look i just see the same lessons being taught there there's differences

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too but you know there's there's probably distortions in every tradition there's baby

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and there's bath water.

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So I try not to throw anything out

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and just study everything with an open mind,

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be loving and receptive to my neighbors

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and learn the words and ways that they use

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to express reverence for the Creator.

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That's amazing stuff, Red.

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I mean, the fact that you realized

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it was a kundalini awakening

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while you were driving down,

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driving in that truck.

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So did you figure out if that happened because you were in such a heightened state of anxiety about – was it your friend or your sister in Florida?

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Friend.

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Your friend.

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Because you were in such a heightened state of anxiety about her condition?

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I loved her so much unconditionally that I didn't want her to cease to exist on this earth.

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I said that that was the component that helped me to unlock or activate the heart chakra.

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It requires unconditional universal love, which is love without expectation of return.

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Then the wisdom chakra in the throat corresponds with honesty and clear communications.

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And in that moment, I was being honest and clear with myself about my ability to do anything whatsoever about that situation.

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I knew that I couldn't drive halfway across the country in time to go get her out of the path of the hurricane.

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It was going to be making landfall that day, and it would have taken me too much time to get there.

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And no airplane, no airliner was going to fly me into the path of a hurricane.

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So I just, I had to surrender and, you know, again, different faiths teach, you know, let go and let God, right?

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That's what I hear oftentimes in like evangelical communities, or for example, the very name of Islam itself means submission to the will of Allah.

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Submission and surrender are very much the same thing.

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When you listen to like enlightenment stories like Eckhart Tolle or Sadhguru or Adi Ashanti, oftentimes there is a component of just total surrender.

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And yeah, so that's been my understanding is that the combination of sort of those three things coupled with sort of my, I guess, karmic bank account balance, if you will, was sufficient to make that experience happen.

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I think probably my best deposits into that sort of karmic bank account occurred when I was teaching at a learning center as the math and critical thinking lead.

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This experience occurred around the same time that I was homeless or leading up to being homeless.

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I remember at this learning center, we used to teach kids in a manner that was golden rule

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compliant. We didn't talk about it that way. That's a realization that I've had in the last

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few years while doing all this research. But basically what we did is we tailored

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the education experience to each child based on a neurological profile that we put together

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for each child. And so we were making clear the path. We were, you know, relying on strengths

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while developing weaknesses We were you know like that salesman that you know who really makes you feel seen and loved you know when they talk to you like Oh Hey how the wife How that plantar fasciitis

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You told me she was dealing with, Oh, how's, how's the kids? Is your son still really enjoying

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boy scouts? Like they're familiar with your life and what's going on with you. And when they talk

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to you they make you feel seen and heard that's the golden rule in action and so that's what we

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were doing but you know we were using it to educate children on important subjects math and

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critical thinking which would arm them with the tools that they needed to sort of navigate the

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challenges of life on earth so i don't want to talk about golden uh using the golden rule to

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orangeville but let's just close the loop on the story what happened to your friend

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she wound up dropping out of that phd program to come home and um she wound up entering into

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another PhD program locally after, you know, she sort of was able to go through some recovery

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processes and, you know, come to grips with having lost her boyfriend that day.

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And she did survive the hurricane, obviously.

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Yes.

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Okay, great. I suppose in the grand scheme of things, a happy ending there.

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so let's talk about the golden rule for orange pilling i know you mentioned this

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just before we stopped i started recording uh give an example maybe an illustrative example red

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of how you would go about doing that yeah so first you have to learn about the person that

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your orange pilling, right? And learn what makes them tick, what is interesting to them.

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What are they passionate about? So if you're talking to somebody who is a military person

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or law enforcement or a hunter or a Second Amendment rights activist, Jason Lowry's

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work, software is probably going to be much more appealing to them than anything else that's out

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there. So if you're trying to talk with them about Bitcoin, know your audience and feed them

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something that is going to be appropriate to them based on their interests. If you're talking to

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someone who is a gardener or a permaculturalist or an eco-hippie, a biologist, an ecologist,

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something like that. Brandon Quittam's work on Bitcoin as a pioneer species or Bitcoin as the

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mycelium of money would be far more appropriate to give to them. It's all about meeting the other

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person where they're at. Every tradition seems to have a variant of the golden rule, but my favorite

409
00:44:47,668 --> 00:44:54,708
came from the anthropocifist Rudolf Steiner, who frankly, I don't even think was trying to

410
00:44:54,708 --> 00:45:00,188
articulate a variation of the golden rule when he said, all you have to do is look from the

411
00:45:00,188 --> 00:45:06,808
perspective of the other. Right. And Rudolf Steiner is the person who started the Waldorf

412
00:45:06,808 --> 00:45:13,608
schools. Is that right? Correct. Yeah. Now, all of this involves, to some extent,

413
00:45:13,608 --> 00:45:19,568
some pre-work, like being able to look through the perspective of the other means you need to

414
00:45:19,568 --> 00:45:26,428
know something about them. So in a setting where you're just, you've bumped into someone and you

415
00:45:26,428 --> 00:45:31,748
think they might be a good fit for Bitcoin, how would you go about it? Or is it just,

416
00:45:31,968 --> 00:45:38,068
is the golden rule for orange billing best reserved for a scenario in which you actually

417
00:45:38,068 --> 00:45:44,048
have the time to understand your audience? That's a great question and a really great

418
00:45:44,048 --> 00:45:52,808
observation. Um, you know, there's no use in trying to pitch a Ford man on a Chevy, right?

419
00:45:52,808 --> 00:45:59,108
Uh, so if somebody is just straight up, not interested, why spin your wheels in the mud and,

420
00:45:59,348 --> 00:46:06,708
you know, let, let them go on their journey. Um, they're not ready for the, uh, the, that,

421
00:46:06,808 --> 00:46:13,468
the orange pill conversation. But, you know, if you notice that someone is complaining about

422
00:46:13,468 --> 00:46:20,668
the economy or inflation and prices at the grocery store or something. At that point,

423
00:46:20,948 --> 00:46:29,848
it's fair game to ask them if they're interested in having a discussion about that and if they're

424
00:46:29,848 --> 00:46:40,168
interested in learning potentially some things that they've never learned before that might,

425
00:46:40,168 --> 00:46:49,748
I don't know, you'll shed some light on what they're experiencing. And if they are, then maybe

426
00:46:49,748 --> 00:46:57,268
you first spend at least a few minutes finding out what makes them tick, if you don't already know

427
00:46:57,268 --> 00:47:07,308
that. But yeah, qualifying your leads is a good sales tactic. And frankly, sales is really just

428
00:47:07,308 --> 00:47:12,768
transfer of belief and that's really what the orange pilling process is so it seems like a

429
00:47:12,768 --> 00:47:19,688
reasonable thing to do is to you know avoid the the prospects who aren't really prospects right

430
00:47:19,688 --> 00:47:27,688
and just look for the low-hanging fruit look it's okay to shake the tree but uh you know

431
00:47:27,688 --> 00:47:31,608
shake it gently and just look for the fruit that's ripe to fall

432
00:47:31,608 --> 00:47:34,708
and

433
00:47:34,708 --> 00:47:36,928
they're not that many

434
00:47:36,928 --> 00:47:38,648
at least from my experience

435
00:47:38,648 --> 00:47:41,568
the people who are ready to have that conversation

436
00:47:41,568 --> 00:47:43,348
are rare

437
00:47:43,348 --> 00:47:44,728
they're the rare fruit

438
00:47:44,728 --> 00:47:47,768
and I'm just talking about ready to have

439
00:47:47,768 --> 00:47:48,428
the conversation

440
00:47:48,428 --> 00:47:51,428
I'm not even talking about actual conversions

441
00:47:51,428 --> 00:47:53,268
but

442
00:47:53,268 --> 00:47:55,688
it is where we are

443
00:47:55,688 --> 00:47:56,268
right now

444
00:47:56,268 --> 00:47:59,668
hopefully things will change over time

445
00:47:59,668 --> 00:48:03,108
you'd mentioned

446
00:48:03,108 --> 00:48:06,068
just going back to something you said earlier

447
00:48:06,068 --> 00:48:08,368
that you spent some time studying

448
00:48:08,368 --> 00:48:13,268
the years in which Jesus is believed to have traveled

449
00:48:13,268 --> 00:48:17,788
and I've heard different theories about it

450
00:48:17,788 --> 00:48:21,308
and I'm curious to hear what your research

451
00:48:21,308 --> 00:48:22,448
uncovered for you

452
00:48:22,448 --> 00:48:27,608
well I mean I think even in the canonical Bible

453
00:48:27,608 --> 00:48:32,548
They talk about how, you know, the quote unquote, holy family, right?

454
00:48:32,628 --> 00:48:41,788
Jesus, Mary and Joseph had to flee to Egypt for some time to escape some persecution or some danger.

455
00:48:42,088 --> 00:48:48,868
So obviously, Egypt, they have serpent symbolism all over the place.

456
00:48:48,868 --> 00:49:00,128
You've got the, what is it, the ureus, I think, the headdress that made it appear as though a serpent was emerging from the third eye position in the forehead.

457
00:49:00,468 --> 00:49:06,868
And you've got sort of the cobra hood style of dress that they would wear.

458
00:49:07,568 --> 00:49:17,568
You've got, even in the Rosetta Stone, you've got the asp hieroglyph, which corresponds with like femininity and divinity.

459
00:49:17,568 --> 00:49:40,408
So it corresponds with the divine feminine there. You've got the Druids up in the United Kingdom. According to past life regression, hypnotherapy, pioneer Dolores Cannon's work, Jesus traveled with Joseph of Arimathea to various places.

460
00:49:40,408 --> 00:49:44,408
And Arimathea was basically Elon Musk level wealthy.

461
00:49:44,588 --> 00:49:46,708
He was a metals magnate.

462
00:49:47,648 --> 00:49:53,528
And, you know, the UK is known as the like the Tin Island, I want to say.

463
00:49:54,008 --> 00:49:57,688
There's some pretty rich sources of tin located there.

464
00:49:57,688 --> 00:50:07,508
So if that's where he was getting his tin for his metals trade, then being a wealthy man engaging in commerce there,

465
00:50:07,508 --> 00:50:14,008
would stand to reason that he would have likely been in contact with the druids at that time.

466
00:50:14,728 --> 00:50:17,768
They were also associated with serpents.

467
00:50:18,588 --> 00:50:21,508
So then you've got the...

468
00:50:22,568 --> 00:50:23,568
Oh, what is it?

469
00:50:23,928 --> 00:50:28,188
There's a book that Dolores Cannon mentions.

470
00:50:29,328 --> 00:50:29,508
It's...

471
00:50:30,308 --> 00:50:31,148
Oh, gosh.

472
00:50:31,668 --> 00:50:31,988
Let me see.

473
00:50:32,148 --> 00:50:33,668
I'm going to look on my bookshelf real quick.

474
00:50:34,268 --> 00:50:35,948
It is...

475
00:50:37,508 --> 00:50:40,328
The Essene Heritage by Larson.

476
00:50:41,988 --> 00:50:47,168
And her books about Jesus were Jesus and the Essenes,

477
00:50:47,248 --> 00:50:48,708
and they walked with Jesus.

478
00:50:49,708 --> 00:50:52,888
And they talk about how even still today,

479
00:50:53,288 --> 00:50:57,748
there are people who sing very old traditional songs

480
00:50:57,748 --> 00:51:01,028
about how Joseph of Arimathea was a tin man.

481
00:51:02,068 --> 00:51:03,868
So that all lines up.

482
00:51:04,908 --> 00:51:06,808
Then there's Nicholas Notovich,

483
00:51:06,808 --> 00:51:10,048
who is a Russian explorer.

484
00:51:10,248 --> 00:51:14,668
He wrote a book called The Unknown Life of St. Issa.

485
00:51:15,368 --> 00:51:18,648
And Issa is another way of pronouncing Jesus.

486
00:51:19,788 --> 00:51:24,988
The author found himself with a broken leg

487
00:51:24,988 --> 00:51:31,868
getting mended in the Hymes Monastery near Ladakh.

488
00:51:31,868 --> 00:51:41,288
and while he was there they brought a scroll to him that they mentioned uh he he had interest in

489
00:51:41,288 --> 00:51:47,448
the first time he was at the monastery they talked about this scroll but they weren't sure where it

490
00:51:47,448 --> 00:51:54,208
was then he left and he like all right i'll come back here on my way you know back on my return

491
00:51:54,208 --> 00:52:00,668
trip well he didn't make it very far he got bucked from his horse and uh broke his leg and so they

492
00:52:00,668 --> 00:52:06,008
they went back to that monastery and the monastery took care of him until he

493
00:52:06,008 --> 00:52:06,268
could,

494
00:52:06,308 --> 00:52:06,628
uh,

495
00:52:06,628 --> 00:52:06,928
you know,

496
00:52:07,748 --> 00:52:10,668
make his way back home while he was there.

497
00:52:10,728 --> 00:52:13,688
They brought him the manuscript and they translated it.

498
00:52:13,688 --> 00:52:20,688
And basically it talked about how Jesus traveled through India and Persia and

499
00:52:21,308 --> 00:52:21,848
Tibet.

500
00:52:22,388 --> 00:52:23,108
And,

501
00:52:23,108 --> 00:52:23,768
you know,

502
00:52:23,828 --> 00:52:29,848
it talked about run-ins with the Brahmins and with the Buddhists and basically

503
00:52:29,848 --> 00:52:37,788
just my interpretation of this was that, you know, wow, this is actually consistent with the golden

504
00:52:37,788 --> 00:52:43,828
rule that he taught. He's actually loving his neighbors as himself. He's not treating his

505
00:52:43,828 --> 00:52:51,128
neighbors who have unique words and ways of expressing reverence for the creator as though

506
00:52:51,128 --> 00:52:58,128
they are sirens of Satan, which nobody likes to be treated that way. He's treating them in loving

507
00:52:58,128 --> 00:53:04,828
ways and with curiosity and wanting to learn what they have to say. And I know when people

508
00:53:04,828 --> 00:53:14,188
treat me like that, I feel loved. So that seemed appropriate and consistent to me with his

509
00:53:14,188 --> 00:53:21,588
teachings. So basically, yeah, I think that during the missing years, the missing chapters,

510
00:53:21,588 --> 00:53:29,248
so to speak, of the canonical gospels. There is evidence out there that Christ traveled.

511
00:53:29,668 --> 00:53:36,288
And it wasn't just Nicholas Notovitch, by the way, who found that scroll at the Himis Monastery

512
00:53:36,288 --> 00:53:46,608
near Ladakh. Swami Abhad-Ananda actually objected to Notovitch's book and decided to go,

513
00:53:46,608 --> 00:53:54,148
you know, verify what Notovich was reporting. And so he went to the Hemi's monastery and

514
00:53:54,148 --> 00:54:01,688
sure enough, he found the same scroll. Later on, a Russian architect, Nicholas Rorich,

515
00:54:02,468 --> 00:54:08,748
went and did the same thing. And they all found it and reported that, you know, this was a real

516
00:54:08,748 --> 00:54:14,088
document. And, you know, they were actually all also able to see one another's sign-ins,

517
00:54:14,088 --> 00:54:31,248
They had to sign in in order to enter the monastery or whatever. Unfortunately, the scrolls are now lost. I want to say this had something to do with the Maoist forces in 1950 doing their thing.

518
00:54:31,248 --> 00:54:55,168
However, it seems that even still today, there are, you know, fragments of manuscripts floating around that area of the world. What would happen is monks would go to, you know, monasteries that weren't their home monastery to learn from the other monks that were there to read what they had in their libraries, etc.

519
00:54:55,168 --> 00:55:10,028
And then they would oftentimes make a copy of some scroll that was in that monastery's library and then bring it back home with them as a gift to their home monastery.

520
00:55:10,268 --> 00:55:22,748
So there was some decentralization for the win there that, you know, keeps sort of the memory, the validity, I guess, maybe of that story alive.

521
00:55:22,748 --> 00:55:26,628
But I think some of it was lost due to the destructive forces of communism.

522
00:55:28,788 --> 00:55:33,108
And Ladakh, of course, is on the Indian side of the India-Tibet border.

523
00:55:33,264 --> 00:55:36,844
Correct. It's in the mountains, the Himalayas.

524
00:55:37,344 --> 00:55:38,084
I believe so.

525
00:55:39,024 --> 00:55:39,184
Yeah.

526
00:55:41,524 --> 00:55:46,084
None of this is accepted in mainstream Christianity, correct?

527
00:55:46,204 --> 00:55:51,304
I mean, I'm not a Christian, so I'm just sort of reacting to things I hear from people.

528
00:55:51,644 --> 00:55:53,504
It's not something I grew up with.

529
00:55:54,304 --> 00:55:58,404
Is that true, Red, that this is not accepted, right?

530
00:55:59,084 --> 00:55:59,784
That's true.

531
00:55:59,784 --> 00:56:10,624
And, you know, I'm sure that like dogmatistic, exoteric Christians wouldn't definitely disagree with me.

532
00:56:10,744 --> 00:56:19,964
But like I have a difficult time as a Bitcoiner, you know, with the way that we regard fiat as a concept.

533
00:56:20,204 --> 00:56:22,904
You know, it's because some authority said so.

534
00:56:23,004 --> 00:56:26,084
Why does this currency unit have value?

535
00:56:26,404 --> 00:56:28,524
Well, it's because some authority said so.

536
00:56:28,524 --> 00:56:35,584
Well, why are these books in the canonical Bible, but these other books are not?

537
00:56:35,664 --> 00:56:37,904
Like we know that the Dead Sea Scrolls are a thing.

538
00:56:38,004 --> 00:56:40,504
We know that the Nag Hammadi Library is a thing.

539
00:56:40,784 --> 00:56:44,064
There were other books that were out there.

540
00:56:44,604 --> 00:56:46,384
Why were they not included?

541
00:56:47,184 --> 00:56:52,344
Well, to me, the word canonical means the same thing as fiat.

542
00:56:52,344 --> 00:56:59,104
It's just because this particular group of supposed authorities said so.

543
00:56:59,764 --> 00:57:07,304
And that particular group of authorities existed 300 years after Christ walked the earth.

544
00:57:07,864 --> 00:57:16,164
I mean, look at us in America, 250 years after the founding of the country, and look at how far things have changed in that amount of time.

545
00:57:16,164 --> 00:57:25,184
it's you know in my opinion a lot of distortion can creep into a movement in a rather short period

546
00:57:25,184 --> 00:57:34,764
of time even 2 000 years ago so i'm skeptical of you know the idea that people who walked the earth

547
00:57:34,764 --> 00:57:45,584
300 years after christ have you know the the right um mindset the you know flawless discernment

548
00:57:45,584 --> 00:57:52,684
to be able to declare for everyone else, oh, these books are okay, but these books are not.

549
00:57:53,324 --> 00:58:03,644
So I largely reject the idea of canonical, and I am at the point where I'm going to look at

550
00:58:03,644 --> 00:58:09,724
everything that I want to look at, and I'm going to verify and look for truth wherever it can be

551
00:58:09,724 --> 00:58:14,784
found. I'm going to knock on every door and look under every rock. And it does seem to be a bit of

552
00:58:14,784 --> 00:58:18,604
growing movement from what I'm seeing, right,

553
00:58:18,644 --> 00:58:21,344
which is looking at these non-dogmatic

554
00:58:21,344 --> 00:58:23,584
interpretations and explorations.

555
00:58:23,744 --> 00:58:25,784
I mean, there's this whole thing

556
00:58:25,784 --> 00:58:27,344
that I was hearing about recently

557
00:58:27,344 --> 00:58:31,404
about the Mary Magdalene and all of that stuff, right?

558
00:58:31,404 --> 00:58:34,184
And then you're talking about these,

559
00:58:34,384 --> 00:58:38,524
I guess, the non-canonical interpretations.

560
00:58:39,504 --> 00:58:41,944
Is that something you've noticed as well,

561
00:58:41,944 --> 00:58:48,824
that there's a growing, I guess, groundswell in some sense of these alternative.

562
00:58:50,784 --> 00:58:56,564
But at the same time, you know, none of these are preaching or teaching anything wrong.

563
00:58:56,644 --> 00:58:59,024
It's all about love, right, from what I've seen.

564
00:59:00,364 --> 00:59:03,704
But yeah, curious, what is your perspective on that?

565
00:59:04,084 --> 00:59:09,644
Yeah, I think, you know, it's no news.

566
00:59:09,984 --> 00:59:11,924
I'm not breaking any news when I say that,

567
00:59:11,944 --> 00:59:20,684
religions are on the decline, generally speaking. People like the exoteric, you know,

568
00:59:20,784 --> 00:59:27,904
mainstream branches of these religions are generally speaking on the decline. And I think

569
00:59:27,904 --> 00:59:37,544
it's because, and actually on the rise, I think is the SVNR, the spiritual but not religious

570
00:59:37,544 --> 00:59:42,464
sort of denomination or faith tradition, whatever you want to call that.

571
00:59:43,464 --> 00:59:55,364
I think that people, there's a lot more people realizing just how culty the mainstream exoteric

572
00:59:55,364 --> 01:00:02,624
traditions are. There's a lot of goodness in them. Yeah, there's baby, but there's also a lot

573
01:00:02,624 --> 01:00:11,844
of bathwater. There's a lot of strange distortions and rules and beliefs that, you know, are kind of

574
01:00:11,844 --> 01:00:17,864
odd. And, you know, I remember going to churches and thinking to myself, it's, it's kind of weird

575
01:00:17,864 --> 01:00:23,264
how, you know, everybody stands at the same time and everybody sits at the same time and we're all

576
01:00:23,264 --> 01:00:31,624
chanting the same thing at the same time. It just, it had a kind of a cold mechanical culty feel to

577
01:00:31,624 --> 01:00:38,184
it. And I kind of always wondered like, why don't we go to a soup kitchen and feed the homeless

578
01:00:38,184 --> 01:00:43,564
instead of this? I feel like I would be more fulfilled from engaging with people in need

579
01:00:43,564 --> 01:00:48,564
and being of service to them than, you know, just going through a bunch of motions.

580
01:00:48,564 --> 01:00:59,184
I think that people are noticing that dogmatistic, like divisiveness is antithetical

581
01:00:59,184 --> 01:01:05,584
to the golden rule. How can you love your neighbor as yourself while you're also regarding your

582
01:01:05,584 --> 01:01:10,884
neighbor as this, again, siren of Satan? And if you even listen to what they have to say,

583
01:01:11,004 --> 01:01:17,164
that somehow that's going to taint you and render you incompatible with heaven or something like

584
01:01:17,164 --> 01:01:24,924
that. It boggles my mind, the levels of cognitive dissonance that are harbored in order to think

585
01:01:24,924 --> 01:01:32,264
that way. It's very much an egotistical thing to think that, oh, well, the tradition that I was

586
01:01:32,264 --> 01:01:36,404
raised with that my mommy and my daddy, well, they were the best, right? That I'm obviously

587
01:01:36,404 --> 01:01:40,684
the pinnacle of creation. My mommy and my daddy, they were the best and they would have taught me

588
01:01:40,684 --> 01:01:45,444
all the most correct things. It's like, well, you know, kill your heroes, right? Slay your heroes.

589
01:01:45,844 --> 01:01:51,864
They're, uh, they're imperfect. They're just winging it and trying to fake it till they make

590
01:01:51,864 --> 01:01:59,384
just like everyone else. So it's good to love and honor our parents. They did a lot to bring us to

591
01:01:59,384 --> 01:02:04,664
the point where we could operate as independent actors in this world, but at the same time,

592
01:02:04,744 --> 01:02:09,744
acknowledge that they are imperfect, flawed beings who maybe didn't know everything that

593
01:02:09,744 --> 01:02:14,704
they needed to know. And it's okay to question what they taught us. I think more and more people

594
01:02:14,704 --> 01:02:17,164
are sort of on that train nowadays.

595
01:02:18,784 --> 01:02:18,864
Yeah.

596
01:02:20,224 --> 01:02:23,724
It is interesting to watch,

597
01:02:23,944 --> 01:02:25,784
and I do hope more people,

598
01:02:26,264 --> 01:02:29,744
again, with that overarching view

599
01:02:29,744 --> 01:02:34,644
of unconditional love as the end goal, right?

600
01:02:35,044 --> 01:02:38,884
Sort of break these dogmatic viewpoints.

601
01:02:39,764 --> 01:02:41,344
Red, we're at the one-hour mark,

602
01:02:41,464 --> 01:02:42,404
so I think we'll,

603
01:02:43,224 --> 01:02:44,644
why don't we pause here

604
01:02:44,644 --> 01:02:48,324
But pause, I say pause, but I want to keep the momentum going.

605
01:02:49,224 --> 01:02:53,424
We have a track from a band called Jaded Jester.

606
01:02:54,384 --> 01:02:56,744
The song is called Nothing Left to Say.

607
01:02:57,444 --> 01:03:00,344
Sometimes you reach a point where the debates are over.

608
01:03:01,164 --> 01:03:03,104
Not here, our debate continues.

609
01:03:03,104 --> 01:03:09,624
But in other points, the debates are over and you just have to let the work speak for itself.

610
01:03:09,844 --> 01:03:14,324
So this track captures that exact feeling with a lot of raw energy.

611
01:03:14,644 --> 01:03:16,564
Turn this one up.

612
01:03:44,644 --> 01:03:47,084
So I look back and I find

613
01:03:47,084 --> 01:03:49,324
That I can leave you behind

614
01:03:49,324 --> 01:03:51,584
Lock that door

615
01:03:51,584 --> 01:03:53,504
Loose the key

616
01:03:53,504 --> 01:03:55,104
Cause I've got

617
01:03:55,104 --> 01:03:57,504
Nothing left to say

618
01:03:57,504 --> 01:03:59,804
Look the other way

619
01:03:59,804 --> 01:04:03,084
I'm not gonna play

620
01:04:03,084 --> 01:04:06,664
All your power gains

621
01:04:06,664 --> 01:04:08,944
Dancing with my brain

622
01:04:08,944 --> 01:04:12,584
You can't keep the shame

623
01:04:12,584 --> 01:04:14,324
It's the time

624
01:04:14,324 --> 01:04:18,704
Crowded space, no surprise

625
01:04:18,704 --> 01:04:21,244
You take no blame

626
01:04:21,244 --> 01:04:25,844
There's no blood thick enough

627
01:04:25,844 --> 01:04:30,304
To keep me from choosing myself

628
01:04:30,304 --> 01:04:32,724
But no one knows who you are

629
01:04:32,724 --> 01:04:35,004
The way you take it too far

630
01:04:35,004 --> 01:04:39,584
Justified in your rage

631
01:04:39,584 --> 01:04:41,884
Thing is I know I'm good at that

632
01:04:41,884 --> 01:04:44,164
Tell me I'm too so far away

633
01:04:44,164 --> 01:04:46,544
No goodbyes

634
01:04:46,544 --> 01:04:48,364
Disengage

635
01:04:48,364 --> 01:04:52,324
Cause I've got nothing left to say

636
01:04:52,324 --> 01:04:54,664
Look the other way

637
01:04:54,664 --> 01:04:58,004
I'm not gonna play

638
01:04:58,004 --> 01:05:01,544
All your power games

639
01:05:01,544 --> 01:05:03,784
Basing with my brain

640
01:05:03,784 --> 01:05:07,444
You can't keep the shame

641
01:05:11,884 --> 01:05:41,864
guitar solo

642
01:05:41,884 --> 01:05:47,204
Nothing left to say

643
01:05:47,204 --> 01:05:49,504
Look the other way

644
01:05:49,504 --> 01:05:52,784
I'm not gonna play

645
01:05:52,784 --> 01:05:56,384
All your power gains

646
01:05:56,384 --> 01:05:58,644
Dancing with my brain

647
01:05:58,644 --> 01:06:02,324
You can't give a shame

648
01:06:02,324 --> 01:06:05,484
Nothing left to say

649
01:06:05,484 --> 01:06:07,804
Look the other way

650
01:06:07,804 --> 01:06:10,984
I'm not gonna play

651
01:06:10,984 --> 01:06:14,664
All your power gains

652
01:06:14,664 --> 01:06:16,904
Dancing with my brain

653
01:06:16,904 --> 01:06:20,744
You can keep the shame

654
01:06:20,744 --> 01:06:28,484
That was Nothing Left to Say by Jada Jester

655
01:06:28,484 --> 01:06:31,624
who I believe is a relatively new entrant

656
01:06:31,624 --> 01:06:34,324
into the open music ecosystem.

657
01:06:35,124 --> 01:06:36,524
So welcome Jada Jester.

658
01:06:37,164 --> 01:06:40,804
I enjoyed that straightforward driving energy on that song.

659
01:06:40,984 --> 01:06:47,264
and you know what when you've said your piece and the noise gets too loud you just have to put your

660
01:06:47,264 --> 01:06:56,824
head down and move forward the guitars drive that point home perfectly i have 90 splits open for this

661
01:06:56,824 --> 01:07:05,204
music chapter send jaded jester some sats if the track gave you the energy you needed to close out

662
01:07:05,204 --> 01:07:13,464
the week let's keep the signal flowing red are you are you plugged in at all into the

663
01:07:13,464 --> 01:07:23,564
valley for value open music ecosystem um i mean through nostr i'm aware of a few artists that are

664
01:07:23,564 --> 01:07:30,744
like bitcoin or artists and i wouldn't assume that that you know is there's overlap between

665
01:07:30,744 --> 01:07:38,984
the open music ecosystem and the Bitcoin music making community. I think I've contributed to

666
01:07:38,984 --> 01:07:45,564
adding an artist to that community. I don't know if you've heard of Anik Malcolm. He's a Bitcoiner

667
01:07:45,564 --> 01:07:52,884
artist who I orange-pilled. I met him on X in 2023, but he's on Noster now. He's a Bitcoiner

668
01:07:52,884 --> 01:07:59,124
now. He's made a splash in the Bitcoin art scene. He's made a couple of songs. One was Be the Change,

669
01:07:59,124 --> 01:08:08,004
um btc right be the change and the whole song is pretty much lyrics that are it's a b word

670
01:08:08,004 --> 01:08:13,704
followed by a t word followed by a c word and it's uh it's brilliant he speaks like

671
01:08:13,704 --> 01:08:19,564
five languages or something he's a classically trained artist he's a rapper brilliant guy

672
01:08:19,564 --> 01:08:28,384
anik malcolm you said yes okay i will check him out maybe feature him on

673
01:08:28,384 --> 01:08:29,604
a future episode

674
01:08:29,604 --> 01:08:32,144
awesome

675
01:08:32,144 --> 01:08:34,864
alright so let's get back

676
01:08:34,864 --> 01:08:36,444
Red and I want to play

677
01:08:36,444 --> 01:08:51,352
devil advocate for for a second even though my heart really not in this devil advocate question but you were talking about um uh you know well i i believe that you know or you know

678
01:08:51,352 --> 01:08:58,732
a hypothetical person saying i believe that despite the accident of birth my views right

679
01:08:58,732 --> 01:09:03,792
what my parents instilled in me these are the only right ones everyone else's is wrong right

680
01:09:03,792 --> 01:09:18,692
And, you know, a lot of religions or religious people, especially the dogmatically religious ones do tend to take that view, which, you know, doesn't lend itself well to constructive debate.

681
01:09:19,272 --> 01:09:20,212
But there you have it.

682
01:09:20,752 --> 01:09:29,632
How would you contrast that with a Bitcoiner saying, I know that Bitcoin is the only thing that makes sense.

683
01:09:29,632 --> 01:09:35,292
and all this other, by the way, I'm one of those dogmatic people, so just FYI,

684
01:09:36,332 --> 01:09:41,632
versus XRP is nonsense, Ethereum is nonsense, the scams, blah, blah, blah.

685
01:09:41,772 --> 01:09:42,472
It's only Bitcoin.

686
01:09:43,032 --> 01:09:45,972
What is the distinction in your mind between those two?

687
01:09:46,892 --> 01:09:54,092
So I think that oftentimes people from sort of the legacy mainstream dogmatistic religious camps

688
01:09:54,092 --> 01:09:57,752
have only ever studied their religion.

689
01:09:57,752 --> 01:10:02,972
maybe they're a convert, and so they've studied two religions, whatever they grew up with and

690
01:10:02,972 --> 01:10:08,552
whatever they converted to. I would say that having studied one or two religions tends to be

691
01:10:08,552 --> 01:10:15,972
sort of the norm in those conversations. To differentiate that from the Bitcoiner experience,

692
01:10:15,972 --> 01:10:23,732
I mean, Bitcoiners study all forms of money. I mean, we study the rye stone currency of the

693
01:10:23,732 --> 01:10:33,912
we study wampum, we study glass beads, we study, you know, altcoins, we study gold, we study fiat paper money.

694
01:10:34,552 --> 01:10:47,112
So we've done our due diligence in the same way that sort of, you know, one would need to do one's due diligence with studying different religious traditions.

695
01:10:47,112 --> 01:10:57,132
But more often than not, the people who are, again, in these legacy mainstream dogmatistic religious camps haven't done that legwork.

696
01:10:57,132 --> 01:11:24,932
And so, frankly, their position, their opinion is founded in some amount of ignorance, whereas the opinion of the Bitcoiner tends to be founded in knowledge, in having done the due diligence of studying all of these alternative forms of money and deciding after all of that study that Bitcoin is the king.

697
01:11:27,132 --> 01:11:38,412
yeah fair enough so and you're someone red who's um studied uh for what you're saying uh you studied

698
01:11:38,412 --> 01:11:46,412
multiple religions um include and you raised as a catholic and as a roman catholic and then you

699
01:11:46,412 --> 01:11:55,192
went on the buddhism hinduism and um some of these other religions where did that journey take you

700
01:11:55,192 --> 01:11:59,712
Was there a realization there in, well, this path makes a little more sense?

701
01:12:00,432 --> 01:12:05,072
Or did you end up with, well, you know, a hybrid or something along those lines?

702
01:12:05,812 --> 01:12:08,412
Yeah, a hybrid is a reasonable term.

703
01:12:09,512 --> 01:12:16,472
I think the perennial philosophy is a term that I sort of hang my hat on now,

704
01:12:16,652 --> 01:12:20,332
is that, you know, like a perennial flower just keeps popping up year after year.

705
01:12:21,472 --> 01:12:24,692
Same is true with all of these traditions that I've studied,

706
01:12:24,692 --> 01:12:27,872
is that I just keep seeing the same lessons popping up.

707
01:12:27,992 --> 01:12:32,932
Now, it's not perfect overlap, but there is overlap.

708
01:12:32,932 --> 01:12:38,732
And sometimes a tradition has something that another tradition lacks,

709
01:12:38,952 --> 01:12:44,752
but it still all works together in a coherent way.

710
01:12:45,512 --> 01:12:50,372
So at this point, I mean, I'm pretty sure that I've figured out

711
01:12:50,372 --> 01:12:58,872
the origin and the science behind the original baptism ritual and how that links into everything.

712
01:12:59,132 --> 01:13:04,532
I mentioned Brian Murarescu's book, The Immortality Key, earlier. I think that I figured

713
01:13:04,532 --> 01:13:13,052
out the teleology, like the purpose behind what he wrote about. He maybe speculates,

714
01:13:13,052 --> 01:13:18,972
but he's somewhat hesitant to speculate on why the Eleusinian mystery initiates were consuming

715
01:13:18,972 --> 01:13:27,072
beer laced with ergot or you know what lsd is derived from um he speculated on the idea of

716
01:13:27,072 --> 01:13:31,532
you know if you die before you die you won't die when you die what does that mean

717
01:13:31,532 --> 01:13:40,092
um he speculated somewhat on you know why there are hypogeums these underground chambers that

718
01:13:40,092 --> 01:13:46,572
people used to go down into and like lay down in like pythagoras or like why does the osiris shaft

719
01:13:46,572 --> 01:13:55,392
in Egypt exist? Why are caves considered to be sort of spiritual places? I've got science to

720
01:13:55,392 --> 01:14:05,112
explain these things. And so I think my work in some ways complements his, but also sort of if his

721
01:14:05,112 --> 01:14:12,032
is focused on the Eucharistic sacraments of the Christian faith, you know, the bread and the wine

722
01:14:12,032 --> 01:14:30,112
He thinks that the wine was basically part of the lineage of the Eleusinian Mysteries and the Dionysian Mysteries that Christ got the wine from Dionysus. Dionysus got that sort of psychedelic wine from the Eleusinian Mysteries psychedelic beer.

723
01:14:30,112 --> 01:14:44,832
At this point, I'm well over 200 pages into having written a book that is called What's in a Name? The Language of the Birds.

724
01:14:44,832 --> 01:15:03,692
The language of the birds is basically a no language language that is, it's like a riddle to be solved and etymology and sort of phonetic assonance is part of solving that.

725
01:15:03,692 --> 01:15:16,452
So like noticing, for example, this is something I used to work with my math students on to help them remember concepts better is breaking words down into word roots, doing the word math.

726
01:15:16,592 --> 01:15:18,252
I called it like perimeter.

727
01:15:18,412 --> 01:15:19,152
What does that mean?

728
01:15:19,252 --> 01:15:19,392
Right.

729
01:15:19,452 --> 01:15:20,532
Well, it's got meter in it.

730
01:15:20,592 --> 01:15:21,192
What is meter?

731
01:15:21,552 --> 01:15:22,572
Meter is measure.

732
01:15:22,912 --> 01:15:25,372
Meter and measure sound really, really similar.

733
01:15:25,672 --> 01:15:29,132
If you make the T sound and extend it, you get the S sound.

734
01:15:29,132 --> 01:15:43,492
And so like metcher, metcher, you can almost hear the fork, if you will, in that one word at a certain point in history, that one word forked off into two words.

735
01:15:43,492 --> 01:15:48,432
So there's been a lot of linguistic analysis that's in play.

736
01:15:48,772 --> 01:15:58,552
And at this point, my goal is to assist Bitcoin in moving mankind closer to world peace.

737
01:15:58,952 --> 01:16:10,152
We talk about how Bitcoin makes war unaffordable, but I don't think that Bitcoin necessarily is going to fix everyone's values hierarchy.

738
01:16:10,152 --> 01:16:24,272
So there's still going to be those religious extremists in the world who, you know, their religious views supersede any economic calculus that might be generally deemed as unwise.

739
01:16:24,272 --> 01:16:30,952
And they may still choose to allocate capital resources towards, you know, religiously motivated violence.

740
01:16:30,952 --> 01:16:37,072
So my goal is to show that all traditions have common ground.

741
01:16:37,072 --> 01:16:52,872
I want to build bridges or perhaps rehabilitate bridges that already exist between these various traditions and show people how they can converse lovingly with their neighbors about the creator.

742
01:16:55,252 --> 01:16:56,932
And this is in your book, correct?

743
01:16:57,612 --> 01:16:57,852
Yes.

744
01:16:58,592 --> 01:17:04,132
So, okay, for a brief, and you said it was called Language of the Birds, right?

745
01:17:04,592 --> 01:17:04,932
Yes.

746
01:17:04,932 --> 01:17:22,732
Okay, for a brief second, I thought it was a literal title, but I think it's more of a metaphor, right? The way you're going. Because if it was literal, I mean, you are a red-tailed hawk. So hey, what do I know? Maybe you are trying to decipher the language of birds.

747
01:17:22,732 --> 01:17:26,552
no I'm actually really glad you brought that up read

748
01:17:26,552 --> 01:17:30,512
about Bitcoin fixing the world

749
01:17:30,512 --> 01:17:34,612
using Bitcoin to fix the world and it kind of ties in neatly

750
01:17:34,612 --> 01:17:37,272
into my opening sermon

751
01:17:37,272 --> 01:17:42,712
which I've come to the point it is a mantra that I used to parrot

752
01:17:42,712 --> 01:17:46,772
myself fix the money fix the world but I mean it's just over the last

753
01:17:46,772 --> 01:17:49,332
couple of years the realization has dawned that

754
01:17:49,332 --> 01:17:55,532
there is a lot of work that people need to do on themselves, right?

755
01:17:55,732 --> 01:18:01,332
And I'm someone who has, I'm a very different person than I was five years ago.

756
01:18:01,472 --> 01:18:02,832
And that's not by accident.

757
01:18:03,312 --> 01:18:05,752
Maybe there were a few accidents involved in that,

758
01:18:05,752 --> 01:18:10,972
but most of it was a very deliberate and conscious work that I put into myself,

759
01:18:11,052 --> 01:18:17,692
into confronting a lot of things that were difficult and so on and so forth.

760
01:18:17,812 --> 01:18:19,132
So there's a lot of inner work.

761
01:18:19,132 --> 01:18:24,332
And I think inner work is one of the highest forms of proof of work.

762
01:18:25,412 --> 01:18:32,012
And unless people are able to do that, Bitcoiners or anyone else for that matter,

763
01:18:32,152 --> 01:18:36,372
I don't know if having a perfect money is going to make that much of a difference.

764
01:18:36,532 --> 01:18:39,532
Maybe it will on the periphery.

765
01:18:40,532 --> 01:18:44,072
But unless people find that alignment,

766
01:18:44,072 --> 01:18:53,212
unclear to me how far we can go as a as a culture as a society i don't know what you

767
01:18:53,212 --> 01:19:00,292
i think that uh like for example um i talk about something called the bitcoin metanoia it's

768
01:19:00,292 --> 01:19:04,272
something that a lot of people have noticed i know john ballas talks about it a lot in fact

769
01:19:04,272 --> 01:19:09,892
in his personal notes he calls it the bitnoia um the portmanteau of bitcoin and metanoia metanoia

770
01:19:09,892 --> 01:19:12,012
is just like a total change of mind and heart,

771
01:19:12,332 --> 01:19:15,132
where you're looking one way for your whole life,

772
01:19:15,152 --> 01:19:18,712
and then all of a sudden you have cause to start looking in another direction.

773
01:19:19,872 --> 01:19:23,272
I think that going back to sort of the golden rule thing,

774
01:19:24,272 --> 01:19:30,272
Bitcoin being sort of Austrian economics approved,

775
01:19:30,272 --> 01:19:32,912
it has the blessing of Austrian economists.

776
01:19:34,572 --> 01:19:39,372
The sister science to Austrian economics is praxeology,

777
01:19:39,372 --> 01:19:44,652
the study of human action. I think praxeology is one of these golden rule disciplines.

778
01:19:45,612 --> 01:19:52,272
So I think a lot of Bitcoiners are, you know, through the learning of Austrian economics and

779
01:19:52,272 --> 01:20:00,292
praxeology, they're gaining insights into how other people think and how market actors behave.

780
01:20:00,552 --> 01:20:08,612
And that's similar to learning about psychology or neurological profiling or, you know, the big

781
01:20:08,612 --> 01:20:14,692
five ocean personality model or Myers-Briggs or the Enneagram. There's all these different ways

782
01:20:14,692 --> 01:20:21,172
that we can learn one another and who we are and what we are, what our personality types are like,

783
01:20:21,272 --> 01:20:26,932
Wolfpack archetypes, all that kind of thing. So I think when people start falling down the Bitcoin

784
01:20:26,932 --> 01:20:34,612
rabbit hole, they tend to start studying praxeology, which is a golden rule discipline.

785
01:20:34,612 --> 01:20:43,312
And I think that sort of opens their mind to ideas that are more spiritual and religious in nature.

786
01:20:43,492 --> 01:20:49,252
And that's what we oftentimes see people after some amount of time in Bitcoin.

787
01:20:49,552 --> 01:20:56,092
They just begin to turn or return to some form of spirituality or religion.

788
01:20:59,292 --> 01:21:04,152
Well, I've seen some Bitcoiners return to a dogmatic form of religion.

789
01:21:04,612 --> 01:21:09,092
especially in this country, it's fairly common.

790
01:21:09,612 --> 01:21:13,332
I don't think I've seen it as much in Europe or Asia

791
01:21:13,332 --> 01:21:18,972
with Bitcoin or down south, down under in Australia.

792
01:21:21,132 --> 01:21:24,232
Yes, I mean, I accept that.

793
01:21:24,232 --> 01:21:27,252
I mean, there's a transformation that begins

794
01:21:27,252 --> 01:21:28,832
as an intellectual transformation.

795
01:21:29,432 --> 01:21:33,752
And for some, that transmutes into a spiritual transformation as well,

796
01:21:33,752 --> 01:21:35,692
which I think is the key part here.

797
01:21:35,872 --> 01:21:38,072
Spiritual or, I guess, I mean,

798
01:21:38,172 --> 01:21:40,572
if spiritual is a divisive word,

799
01:21:40,732 --> 01:21:43,792
maybe something that goes beyond just the intellect itself,

800
01:21:43,972 --> 01:22:00,680
a soul level transformation I mean I don know what a good framing for that is right But something beyond just your pure cognition that transforms And I think that good if that happens I don

801
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:05,240
know if it happens for everyone. And I don't think... Go ahead.

802
01:22:05,740 --> 01:22:10,000
I was going to say, I think maybe a neutral expression of it comes from Abraham Maslow's

803
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:16,600
hierarchy of needs. I mean, I don't want to suggest that, you know, in order to, I guess,

804
01:22:17,060 --> 01:22:22,700
become spiritual or religious, one must have wealth, because obviously, that's not true.

805
01:22:22,700 --> 01:22:27,560
There are plenty of monks and clergy members around the world who have taken vows of poverty,

806
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:34,240
who are quite spiritual or religious. But, you know, having your your base level needs met

807
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:42,160
by being in possession of significant amounts of purchasing power affords one the sort of

808
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:49,040
mental resources to focus on sort of higher order pursuits like career accomplishments,

809
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:56,720
love, etc. And at the top of that pyramid is self-actualization. So I think that self-actualization

810
01:22:56,720 --> 01:23:01,960
may be an appropriate synonym for things like enlightenment.

811
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:23,600
Yeah. Now, that makes sense. But I guess one of my reasons for sort of writing that sermon for today was I see a lot of Bitcoin, and this is not everyone, right?

812
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:26,780
There are obviously exceptions to this.

813
01:23:27,580 --> 01:23:33,880
But a lot of Bitcoiners tend to get consumed by the darkness.

814
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:44,720
They have the answer or one powerful answer in this neutral tool that is Bitcoin, this perfect money.

815
01:23:46,180 --> 01:23:53,580
But they start looking at the questions to that answer and then they get consumed by the darkness in those questions.

816
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:58,900
and that's what sort of led me to believe that look

817
01:23:58,900 --> 01:24:04,080
that darkness, being consumed by the darkness

818
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:06,640
is not a good place to be in

819
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:08,620
it's one thing to acknowledge it

820
01:24:08,620 --> 01:24:11,600
we're not bypassing here

821
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:13,960
I'm not talking about bypassing any of these things

822
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:16,220
or minimizing or pretending they don't exist

823
01:24:16,220 --> 01:24:18,320
you acknowledge it but ultimately

824
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:21,440
I think the constructive way to approach this is

825
01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:24,680
You focus on the light rather than get sucked into the darkness.

826
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:41,220
And I fear that a lot of Bitcoiners have not reached a level of emotional maturity, or spiritual maturity, if you want to call it that, where they are able to wriggle free of the siren call of the darkness.

827
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:49,080
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of toxicity in the Bitcoin space.

828
01:24:49,080 --> 01:25:02,700
I think that Bitcoin, if it's not, I think it's both an attractor of sigma personality types and a forger of sigma personality types.

829
01:25:03,060 --> 01:25:11,480
And I think it's very easy for sigma personality types who like that's a wolf pack archetype that is sort of off to the side of the hierarchy.

830
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:14,880
You know, alpha is at the top, beta is below them, et cetera, et cetera.

831
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:18,180
And then you have the sigmas that are off to the side and rolling solo.

832
01:25:18,180 --> 01:25:19,260
They're the lone wolves.

833
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:26,760
And generally speaking, the Sigmas are alpha level competent, but have no interest in playing

834
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:30,460
society's games that whatever society thinks is the game to play.

835
01:25:31,020 --> 01:25:32,060
Sigmas are like, yeah, that's nice.

836
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:33,720
I'm going to go do my own thing over here.

837
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:43,200
So I think it's easy to become jaded after, you know, weathering the criticisms of no

838
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:50,440
coiners and, you know, people who are ignorant of Bitcoin, who have whatever opinions they have

839
01:25:50,440 --> 01:26:01,060
born of that ignorance. And so it's very easy to sort of decide to just pull away from all of that

840
01:26:01,060 --> 01:26:08,420
stuff and go hide in some hermit hole somewhere and, you know, stack sats, focus on your craft and

841
01:26:08,420 --> 01:26:13,760
just ignore everything else, which, you know, if that's what people want to do, you know,

842
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:14,400
have at it.

843
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:20,920
I think that to your point, there is always love to be found in each moment.

844
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:27,420
So in every situation, even when you're dealing with some sort of obstinate no-coiner, there's

845
01:26:27,420 --> 01:26:30,100
a way to deal with it that is loving.

846
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:31,980
It's challenging.

847
01:26:32,340 --> 01:26:35,080
I myself am not a perfect practitioner of this.

848
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:43,020
So it's definitely a good, I guess, practice to work on pursuing.

849
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:48,740
Yeah, I mean, same here, right?

850
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:59,820
It is, I mean, especially in these, I guess you could call them fraught times with the Epstein emails and having some Bitcoiners getting caught up.

851
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:04,920
Well, when I say caught up, I mean, you know, being mentioned in the emails or whatever it is.

852
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:21,820
And it's not that hard to dive headlong into that world and into the, I mean, just the abject atrocities that are outlined in those emails and get consumed by that.

853
01:27:21,820 --> 01:27:35,920
And so, yeah, it's, you know, no one's, not too many people I know are fully focused on the constructive thing.

854
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:37,540
I think we all have our weaknesses.

855
01:27:39,180 --> 01:27:41,540
Red, I know we covered a lot of ground here.

856
01:27:41,540 --> 01:27:45,480
And part of it is all of these topics,

857
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:49,520
I'm afraid of scratching beyond the surface too much

858
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,280
because we'll be here for like two or three hours on each topic.

859
01:27:53,020 --> 01:27:56,160
So I know we've, and we're trying to just keep it to the,

860
01:27:57,020 --> 01:28:00,360
under two hours for sure, maybe the 90 minute mark even.

861
01:28:01,380 --> 01:28:07,980
So I just wanted to make sure there was any other topics

862
01:28:07,980 --> 01:28:09,160
that you wanted to talk about.

863
01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:15,720
Again, I don't think we can go too far beyond scratching the surface.

864
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:20,800
But I'm just curious to see if there are other things we might have missed in this conversation.

865
01:28:23,140 --> 01:28:24,980
Well, I mean, yeah, you're right.

866
01:28:25,220 --> 01:28:34,060
I just did a show with Bitcoiners United on Wednesday night, and we did the longest show he's ever done.

867
01:28:34,300 --> 01:28:36,780
And he wants me to come back and do another show.

868
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:37,980
I think it was three and a half hours.

869
01:28:37,980 --> 01:28:47,060
so we definitely could talk for a long time um i uh did another show with bitcoin nova recently i'm

870
01:28:47,060 --> 01:28:51,880
doing a series with caleb from bitcoin consciousness where i'm laying out all my research in a series

871
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:58,620
of episodes if people are interested and um they can do a deeper dive i've done three episodes with

872
01:28:58,620 --> 01:29:04,740
daniel prince on once bitten i think it was episodes four four four five one four and the

873
01:29:04,740 --> 01:29:15,060
most recent was 562. Daniel's big takeaway from 562 was, you know, the cover up that occurred

874
01:29:15,060 --> 01:29:21,720
with somebody who I think was really important as Itzhak Bentov. Bentov was this brilliant polymath

875
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:29,860
who didn't go to college at all. He, you know, had patents, inventions, etc. He wrote this book

876
01:29:29,860 --> 01:29:36,640
in 1977 called stalking the wild pendulum on the mechanics of consciousness amazing book uh i'd

877
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:40,980
highly recommend it i actually only bought it to read the appendix and wound up reading the whole

878
01:29:40,980 --> 01:29:48,440
book in the appendix he gave me an important piece of the puzzle that helped me link a lot of things

879
01:29:48,440 --> 01:29:55,060
together like uh we talk about how hippies are oftentimes talking about grounding right and and

880
01:29:55,060 --> 01:30:17,360
It's not just hippies, spiritual people. I hear people on social media talking about touching grass. That's all talking about grounding. That's actually an important component of sort of the spiritual awakening process is that theta oscillations, theta frequencies between four and eight hertz are super important to that process.

881
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:20,120
Dr. Joe Dispenza affirms that in his work.

882
01:30:20,980 --> 01:30:32,860
It seems to be a key thing, even like the Wachowskis figured it out and, you know, baked it into the follow the white rabbit scene in the matrix early on.

883
01:30:33,020 --> 01:30:40,580
When Neo is talking about that area between being asleep and being awake, that's theta neural oscillation states.

884
01:30:40,580 --> 01:30:53,780
I think that there's some really, really low-hanging fruit that is worth digging into for people on that subject.

885
01:30:54,340 --> 01:30:56,360
Hypnosis subjects go into theta states.

886
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:59,960
Children between the ages of two and seven are in a theta state.

887
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:02,400
It's like you mentioned the Waldorf schools earlier.

888
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:06,700
They break out the education process into multiple seven-year chunks.

889
01:31:07,420 --> 01:31:09,000
That first seven years is key.

890
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:22,440
That's when I think like your prodigies are formed is because they're immersed in something at that age when they're basically a sponge, when they can soak up all this information.

891
01:31:22,440 --> 01:31:30,760
But theta waves seem to be related to past life memory experiences.

892
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:38,700
It seems to be related to, you know, activation of sort of spiritual awakening experiences, too.

893
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:41,540
It's a really interesting subject.

894
01:31:41,540 --> 01:31:49,200
And of course, the powers that be in this world, and you mentioned the Epstein stuff earlier, they're always trying to pull strings and cover things up.

895
01:31:49,580 --> 01:31:58,360
I think that's actually a benefit to those of us who are positively polarized, the good guys, the service to others oriented people.

896
01:31:58,740 --> 01:32:05,040
Because it's like you're not going to grow your muscles unless you encounter resistance.

897
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:11,260
so with these cover-ups it's almost like they're you know creating an obstacle course

898
01:32:11,260 --> 01:32:18,440
that we have to figure out how to overcome and then run through so yeah it's uh i think that

899
01:32:18,440 --> 01:32:27,120
they were responsible for bentov's death he uh he was one of the 270 people or something that died

900
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:34,280
on american airlines flight 191 which if you look into it there there are reasons to be suspicious

901
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:36,040
that that wasn't simply an accident.

902
01:32:36,380 --> 01:32:39,040
I mean, there's a guy in Oklahoma

903
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:42,380
who was apparently in charge of the maintenance procedures

904
01:32:42,380 --> 01:32:45,240
at O'Hare Airport, where this flight took off from

905
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:47,200
and crashed shortly after takeoff.

906
01:32:48,060 --> 01:32:50,340
And he unalived himself.

907
01:32:50,580 --> 01:32:54,160
And that seems as suspicious as the idea

908
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:56,880
that Epstein unalived himself, too.

909
01:32:57,620 --> 01:33:00,540
I think that that was done probably

910
01:33:00,540 --> 01:33:02,540
for the sake of operational security.

911
01:33:02,540 --> 01:33:11,800
four years after bentov died in that crash he was the most heavily cited source in what was at the

912
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:19,540
time classified military intelligence uh communications on the subject of paranormal

913
01:33:19,540 --> 01:33:24,320
espionage it's called the gateway experience and the gateway experience is related to like

914
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:29,460
remote viewing astral projection that type of thing the monroe institute is probably the premier

915
01:33:29,460 --> 01:33:38,360
organization in the private sector focused on that subject. And Bentov was cited more often

916
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:43,960
than Robert Monroe was in those documents. So Bentov was a pretty important person.

917
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:49,120
And I just love talking about him. I think he deserves more attention.

918
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:58,220
So Bentov was a guy who, just to summarize here, Red, was doing a lot of work in Theta,

919
01:33:58,220 --> 01:34:04,340
in the Theta's state, Theta's healing, maybe some kind of psychic projections, that sort of thing.

920
01:34:04,440 --> 01:34:05,280
Is that correct?

921
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:10,340
It was only a brief mention of it in the appendix,

922
01:34:10,580 --> 01:34:17,120
but his appendix was about what he called the Physio Kundalini Syndrome or whatever.

923
01:34:17,780 --> 01:34:26,060
And in that appendix, he wrote about how something called transcranial magnetic stimulation,

924
01:34:26,060 --> 01:34:37,660
which is the use of magnetic pulses and magnetic frequencies applied to the cranium can trigger spontaneous spiritual awakenings.

925
01:34:38,500 --> 01:34:49,200
And so, you know, the Schumann resonance of the earth, for example, which is another thing that Benton has talked about, is a high band theta frequency.

926
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:50,760
It's about seven and a half hertz.

927
01:34:50,760 --> 01:35:16,428
So the idea of for example sitting in the lotus position with the receptive root chakra in contact with the earth or the idea of walking outside barefoot or the idea of immersing yourself in this resonant frequency by sitting in a cave or in a hypogeum where you surrounded by earth and materials that are all vibrating at this Schumann resonance

928
01:35:18,048 --> 01:35:23,368
Basically, what's happening is something called rhythm entrainment.

929
01:35:23,608 --> 01:35:29,928
So your body, mind, and spirit are all, you know, affected by oscillators.

930
01:35:29,928 --> 01:35:36,008
The body, you've got electrons that are oscillating the atomic nuclei that you're composed of, right?

931
01:35:36,568 --> 01:35:43,028
Your aura is a frequency that's probably contributed to by the electromagnetic effect of those electrons moving.

932
01:35:43,528 --> 01:35:49,588
The mind has something called a frequency following response where if you are experiencing, you know,

933
01:35:49,588 --> 01:35:58,768
each time I'm saying that dot, that's triggering a new neural impulse in your mind. And so the brain

934
01:35:58,768 --> 01:36:03,888
winds up falling into that same frequency pattern as whatever the dot dot dot was.

935
01:36:04,608 --> 01:36:11,328
So basically, if you took like some soda cans, and line them up on a flat surface,

936
01:36:11,328 --> 01:36:16,848
and then you put a wooden plank on top of them so that that plank couldn't shift back and forth

937
01:36:16,848 --> 01:36:22,948
side to side in one direction and then you took a bunch of oscillators like metronomes that

938
01:36:22,948 --> 01:36:29,228
pianists use in order to keep tempo while they're playing the piano and you gather a bunch of

939
01:36:29,228 --> 01:36:34,588
metronomes of the same make and model same size same pendulum length all that stuff you set them

940
01:36:34,588 --> 01:36:42,428
to swing on top of that wooden plank but you you set them swinging out of phase with one another

941
01:36:42,428 --> 01:36:50,388
What will eventually happen within a few minutes is that all of those metronomes will sync up with one another.

942
01:36:50,628 --> 01:36:52,188
It's called rhythm entrainment.

943
01:36:52,448 --> 01:36:54,588
This happens to all oscillators.

944
01:36:55,288 --> 01:37:11,388
So I think that what Bentov figured out with those theta frequency tests with transcranial magnetic stimulation is the key to why people talk about why grounding is so important and why are caves so spiritual.

945
01:37:11,388 --> 01:37:15,468
Again, Brian Murarescu talked about cave incubation as a thing.

946
01:37:16,848 --> 01:37:21,488
And certainly the Greeks knew about the kundalini serpent.

947
01:37:21,708 --> 01:37:25,928
They might have shown it differently with the Orphic egg.

948
01:37:26,028 --> 01:37:32,068
But the Orphic egg, which I think represents the root chakra, it has a serpent coiled around it,

949
01:37:32,128 --> 01:37:37,368
just like the Hindus talk about with the kundalini serpent coiled around the root chakra.

950
01:37:38,688 --> 01:37:40,068
A lot of dots connect.

951
01:37:41,388 --> 01:38:02,908
Interesting. Is there anyone out there who is today, who is using these techniques to, I guess, to, I mean, I wouldn't say supernatural things, but look, I see videos on YouTube, right?

952
01:38:02,908 --> 01:38:06,928
of people talking about they're doing channeling and whatnot.

953
01:38:07,728 --> 01:38:09,448
And the thing is, it's a YouTube video.

954
01:38:09,628 --> 01:38:10,328
Who knows?

955
01:38:10,748 --> 01:38:14,208
Anyone can be an actor and they change their voice

956
01:38:14,208 --> 01:38:18,388
when they're channeling and assume a rigid posture

957
01:38:18,388 --> 01:38:21,668
and create all the appearances of these types of things.

958
01:38:21,908 --> 01:38:24,408
But I guess my question is,

959
01:38:24,808 --> 01:38:27,808
are you aware of anyone who's using these techniques today

960
01:38:27,808 --> 01:38:30,928
to effectuate real change, real meaningful change?

961
01:38:30,928 --> 01:38:37,868
yeah i think uh dr joe dispensa he's a chiropractor i think as opposed to a medical

962
01:38:37,868 --> 01:38:42,908
doctor or whatever but i think chiropractic is legitimate i've definitely got a lot of

963
01:38:42,908 --> 01:38:51,328
relief from that through my life um he talks about theta neural oscillations gamma neural

964
01:38:51,328 --> 01:38:57,088
oscillations and the importance of those when it comes to things like you know spiritual awakenings

965
01:38:57,088 --> 01:39:05,488
and activating higher energy centers, he tends to avoid talking about that subject using,

966
01:39:05,488 --> 01:39:13,048
you know, religious terminology, because he knows as well as we both do that that terminology

967
01:39:13,048 --> 01:39:20,388
can be regarded as divisive. And so he tends to stick to scientific terms as much as possible.

968
01:39:21,248 --> 01:39:26,828
But yeah, he's definitely out there in the world making waves. He's got, you know,

969
01:39:26,828 --> 01:39:35,508
his niche following of people who are interested in spiritual awakenings. And, you know, he's

970
01:39:35,508 --> 01:39:42,548
definitely doing good work on that front. There are others out there doing work with theta waves.

971
01:39:43,188 --> 01:39:51,268
I think that healing modalities like Qigong and Reiki are very meditative in nature. I've

972
01:39:51,268 --> 01:39:58,448
dabbled a little bit in Reiki, but more in Qigong. And I've noticed that as a similarity,

973
01:39:58,708 --> 01:40:04,828
it's very meditative. Oftentimes there's music at play or there's sort of sound healing techniques.

974
01:40:05,668 --> 01:40:14,188
So typically, there's a meditative component to these practices beforehand, which again,

975
01:40:14,648 --> 01:40:21,248
leads me back to the idea of rhythm and trainment in meditation and trying to get oneself into a

976
01:40:21,248 --> 01:40:23,228
a theta-dominant neural oscillation state.

977
01:40:25,688 --> 01:40:31,588
I guess maybe the question that's burning on the lips of our audience is,

978
01:40:31,948 --> 01:40:35,328
how can we use this to stack more corn?

979
01:40:37,928 --> 01:40:43,688
I think that, you know, anytime we can provide value to people,

980
01:40:43,688 --> 01:40:56,528
value is going to tend to flow back to us in return so there you know everyone has their own

981
01:40:56,528 --> 01:41:06,968
unique values hierarchy and so every person we encounter is kind of like a you know a problem

982
01:41:06,968 --> 01:41:15,648
to be solved uh like a home diy do-it-yourself issue that needs to be fixed requires tools

983
01:41:15,648 --> 01:41:22,528
and you've got lots of different tools generally speaking in one's tool set that one can pull out

984
01:41:22,528 --> 01:41:30,548
when one needs that tool right so i think that uh learning about lots of different things including

985
01:41:30,548 --> 01:41:37,328
the subjects that we've been talking about is like adding tools to your tool set. And, you know,

986
01:41:37,368 --> 01:41:45,728
when the time is right, when the right problem manifests in your sphere of influence, then you

987
01:41:45,728 --> 01:41:52,488
have the right tool that you can pull out for that situation and provide value to that person. And

988
01:41:52,488 --> 01:41:56,428
perhaps that causes value to flow back to you in return.

989
01:41:56,428 --> 01:42:05,508
in other words do the work red there is no escaping doing the work putting one foot in

990
01:42:05,508 --> 01:42:12,328
front of the other and uh moving moving ahead great uh anything yeah go ahead i was just gonna

991
01:42:12,328 --> 01:42:16,068
say you gotta eat the elephant one bite at a time you have no one's gonna go to the gym for you

992
01:42:16,068 --> 01:42:26,188
yeah indeed uh anything else uh red you want to talk about um any uh you know any other

993
01:42:26,188 --> 01:42:30,208
the work that our audience can find,

994
01:42:30,728 --> 01:42:35,628
or where can they find all of these things that we've talked about today?

995
01:42:37,008 --> 01:42:39,008
I mean, I've talked about the book.

996
01:42:39,208 --> 01:42:40,868
Again, it's not out yet,

997
01:42:40,948 --> 01:42:44,608
but I have approached a publishing house's imprint about it.

998
01:42:44,848 --> 01:42:46,928
They're currently working their way through it.

999
01:42:49,108 --> 01:42:51,208
The name of that book is

1000
01:42:51,208 --> 01:42:55,388
What's in a Name, Colon, the Language of the Birds.

1001
01:42:56,188 --> 01:43:03,968
If anyone is interested, I've been emceeing a weekly study group.

1002
01:43:04,748 --> 01:43:10,368
It currently takes place on Clubhouse because I'm a bit of a tech noob.

1003
01:43:10,468 --> 01:43:16,548
I'm working on setting up a website, and I plan to pivot over to a podcast format for those study group sessions.

1004
01:43:16,808 --> 01:43:22,668
But for the time being, the study group is called Flight Club, and it can be found on Clubhouse.

1005
01:43:22,668 --> 01:43:31,788
we meet on Sundays at noon Eastern time US. So if anyone's interested in getting together to

1006
01:43:31,788 --> 01:43:37,488
discuss any of the sort of spiritual and esoteric topics that are a part of my research,

1007
01:43:38,068 --> 01:43:44,368
when we're in those sessions, we cover a logical fallacy every week. And then we read through some

1008
01:43:44,368 --> 01:43:49,968
planned material that's spiritual, esoteric, or religious in nature, we comment on it,

1009
01:43:49,968 --> 01:43:58,728
and we gather to share any cool stuff that we as individual seekers have learned in the week between study group sessions.

1010
01:43:59,648 --> 01:44:02,028
So, yeah, people can find me there.

1011
01:44:02,128 --> 01:44:03,328
They can find me on Noster.

1012
01:44:03,588 --> 01:44:07,328
They can find me on X at Redtailhawk19.

1013
01:44:08,228 --> 01:44:12,448
I would list my end pub, but it's a little more difficult to list.

1014
01:44:12,448 --> 01:44:13,468
I'll link all of it.

1015
01:44:14,468 --> 01:44:15,508
I'll link all of that.

1016
01:44:15,508 --> 01:44:18,188
I will need the link for your study group, Red.

1017
01:44:18,188 --> 01:44:22,708
As it turns out, it is at the exact same time as my Sunday brunch show.

1018
01:44:23,008 --> 01:44:29,188
So I think I would recommend my more spiritually minded value for value enjoyers.

1019
01:44:29,908 --> 01:44:34,688
Do check out Red's study group.

1020
01:44:34,928 --> 01:44:37,448
You could always catch Sunday brunch as a recording.

1021
01:44:39,488 --> 01:44:41,168
Likewise, we have replays.

1022
01:44:41,168 --> 01:44:46,468
We do record them, so if anybody misses it because they want to attend your Sunday brunch,

1023
01:44:46,648 --> 01:44:49,588
you can also check out the recordings of Flight Club.

1024
01:44:51,488 --> 01:44:52,128
Excellent.

1025
01:44:53,328 --> 01:44:54,308
All right, Red.

1026
01:44:54,528 --> 01:44:55,628
This is great.

1027
01:44:57,028 --> 01:45:07,468
Thank you for taking the time and enlightening the audience and me, for that matter, on all of this.

1028
01:45:07,468 --> 01:45:09,948
honestly, this is like

1029
01:45:09,948 --> 01:45:12,148
each topic that we picked

1030
01:45:12,148 --> 01:45:14,188
is probably a two or three hour discussion

1031
01:45:14,188 --> 01:45:16,228
in and of itself. So I don't know

1032
01:45:16,228 --> 01:45:18,148
how much justice we did to it, but

1033
01:45:18,148 --> 01:45:19,188
at least I hope

1034
01:45:19,188 --> 01:45:21,928
we gave people a taste of

1035
01:45:21,928 --> 01:45:24,028
some of the fascinating

1036
01:45:24,028 --> 01:45:25,888
things that you're involved in.

1037
01:45:26,848 --> 01:45:28,108
Likewise, you're a great interviewer

1038
01:45:28,108 --> 01:45:30,148
and I'm grateful and appreciative of the

1039
01:45:30,148 --> 01:45:31,708
opportunity. Thank you for having me.

1040
01:45:32,248 --> 01:45:34,228
Of course. And thank you to

1041
01:45:34,228 --> 01:45:36,248
our live stream audience for listening and

1042
01:45:36,248 --> 01:45:42,028
for your zaps. If you are listening to the recording, as always, notice what you didn't

1043
01:45:42,028 --> 01:45:47,628
hear today. You didn't hear me shilling an overpriced mattress you don't need, and you didn't

1044
01:45:47,628 --> 01:45:54,528
hear me reading a script for a VPN that's probably logging your data anyway. I don't do that here.

1045
01:45:54,948 --> 01:46:01,568
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1046
01:46:01,568 --> 01:46:08,648
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podcasting 2.0 app, or you can just become a monthly subscriber to the show on Fountain

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to keep the signal strong. There is no executive producer this week, but I do want to give the

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final word to friend of the show, Rev Hoddle, who boosted in with this thoughtful comment on the last

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episode with Ben Justman. Rev says, at Ben Justman, friction with earning Bitcoin is a good example

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of how running a business in a highly regulated fiat industry and simultaneously living on a

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Bitcoin standard don't mix. Essentially, he, meaning Ben, has to risk everything to truly

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operate outside the fiat system. And that is a good point, Rev. And it's an uncomfortable truth

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that some Bitcoin accepting merchants might have to grapple with fairly soon. There might not be

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a beautiful union in those rebellious opposites of fiat regulation and being on a Bitcoin standard.

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One can only hope the future proves me wrong.

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And for those of you who want to shape the next show, the mic is open.

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Whether you want to ratify the sermon with your own story or rectify it with a counterpoint,

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the executive producer slot is waiting for you.

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The minutes are open for next week.

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Until then, stay sovereign.

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Thank you.