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This is episode 153 of Plep Chain Radio.
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Red Tail Hawk.
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The sermon is, Fix Yourself to Fix the World.
We chant, fix the money, fix the world, like a daily incantation.
We carve it into our digital monuments.
The phrase carries a profound gravity,
serving as a rallying cry for a generation exhausted by the endless erosion of value.
We rightly recognize that writing the ledger is a vital step in correcting the trajectory of human history.
Yet the equation remains incomplete.
We've engineered a flawless mirror of mathematical truth,
a network demanding honesty from a deeply complex species.
We often expect the protocol to perform alchemy on the human soul.
We anticipate that a perfect system will automatically heal a fractured operator.
The protocol functions as an immaculate instrument, but it requires a conscious and steady hand to guide it.
A sound monetary standard requires a sound human foundation.
Before we can fully realize the promise of a rebuilt global economy, we must navigate the wilderness of our own internal landscapes
The time chain demands perfect accountability
We must bring that same rigorous auditing to our personal lives
We must excavate our deepest anxieties, face the quiet fears that stir our daily reactions and undertake the painstaking work of personal integration
True alignment begins in the quiet chambers of the mind
Long before a transaction ever reaches the mempool
Sovereign networks demand truly sovereign individuals
An unhealed mind will inevitably stumble
Even when handled the most powerful tool ever conceived
When we carry unexamined pain into a censorship-resistant space
We risk amplifying the chaos we initially sought to escape
We must focus on healing the substrate of the self.
We must actively cultivate resilience, clarity, and a deep internal peace.
As we forge this new epoch, let us turn the lens inward.
Let us mend the vessel so it might properly hold the magnitude of our new capabilities.
An individual who has achieved internal alignment,
wielding an incorruptible tool,
becomes an unstoppable force for human flourishing.
The world undeniably needs our money.
More crucially, it waits for a healed and grounded humanity ready to wield it.
And with that, it's time to welcome our guest, Red Tail Hawk.
Welcome to Plep Chain Radio.
Thank you. It's great to be here.
And I got some chills listening to you just now.
Well, thank you.
Yeah, I appreciate you saying that, Red.
So Red, you know, we've interacted a little bit on Noster.
We were connected by a common friend, also from Noster.
But for the folks, for the listeners who might be unfamiliar with you and your work,
why don't you give us a little bit of a background?
How did you get into this world, into Bitcoin, into Noster?
And then we could talk about some of the things you're working on.
Yeah, so I graduated in winter of 2007 with a degree in applied mathematics.
I had an excellent school career, good grades, high-level testing on standardized testing.
And then all of a sudden, I flopped coming out of college into the working world because of the subprime financial crisis, the bubble bursting with all the, you know, it's like in that movie, The Big Short and whatnot.
I had no idea what was going on.
That wasn't my focus.
I'd never taken any econ classes.
I didn't pay attention to CNBC or anything like that.
So I wasn't really sure what was going on.
But eventually that led me to, you know, cobbling together an income with multiple part time job, just sleeping on relatives' couches, eventually sleeping in my own car or on a cot that I would set up each night in a back room at work.
uh, I, you know, would eat whatever food I could get my hands on for free. Oftentimes expired food
or food that had been discarded, but with still sanitary enough, you know, like it was still
wrapped up. It hadn't touched anything else in the trash can or I would salvage what I could.
And, uh, it was not the most pleasant experience, but, um, it definitely taught me how to live
beneath my means and scrimp and save. And eventually I landed in a corporate job that
offered me good pay and benefits. And when that happened, I sort of carried forward those personal
austerity measures and saved, got my credit score rehabbed, started learning about the Ron
palm movement and the Fed and started learning about precious metals and started investing in
some boring stocks like mining companies and whatnot. It was around 2017 that I started really
seriously looking at Bitcoin. It wasn't my first exposure. My first exposure was when it was around
like four, maybe $500 a coin. And I think I almost literally quoted Satoshi when I said,
oh yeah, that looks interesting. I might get one of those just as kind of like a lottery ticket
in case it ever catches on, you know? And then fast forward, you know, 4X the price roughly
from there is when I finally jumped in. I think I watched it go from 1200 to 1800 US in,
the span of a work week, at which point it was that Futurama gif where Fry is saying,
shut up and take my money. Like, okay, I'm into this. At that point, though, I still was just
kicking the tires on what this whole Bitcoin thing was. And any Bitcoiner who has been around for
more than a year or two realizes just how much of a complex of rabbit holes this subject is.
So I did my thing. I listened to my 40 hours per week and I did somewhere between 5,000 and 10,000 hours of listening to Bitcoin podcasts and YouTube videos and reading books and going to meetups and conferences.
So yeah, I think then around 2021, late 2021, early 2022, I was orange pilling this libertarian discord server. And that's how I wound up earning my name.
Red Tail Hawk was a woman there, was really enjoying the ways that I was able to stretch her mind out talking about various subjects, economics, networking, and Bitcoin, and all of these types of subjects.
and so she arranged for an encounter a remote encounter with her medicine man who was like 90
plus years old unfortunately he's no longer with us as of september of last year but he definitely
changed my life by helping to resolve what was for me at that time a 53 month long ongoing personal
mystery. Um, receiving that name really lit a fire underneath me. Uh, it helped me to,
well, I guess it really catalyzed my ongoing, uh, 37 month long research bender into
every religious tradition, every esoteric wisdom, tradition, cultural traditions,
occult traditions. I'm just trying to figure out, you know, the weird stuff that's out there.
Why do people glom onto these things? And it's been an incredible journey. That research and
that desire to share that message led me to make an account on X back in 2023. But then later on
And in 2025, that account got run-pulled.
So our mutual friend helped me out.
I was already on Noster.
And of course, I only found Noster as a result of having been on Naxx and being sort of in the Bitcoin community there.
But I started building a presence on Noster.
And that's been my primary social media for probably the last year or so.
you know red i mean there's a lot there um we just want to go back to your story on the one hand
an absolutely harrowing tale of what you had to go through during the financial crisis but also
on the other hand an inspiring one because you were able to dig yourself out of it and
and build something up right through the sort of slow and i suppose boring process of putting one
step in front of the other, which surprisingly works.
It's one of the best things one can do when you find yourself in such situations.
But the crisis, the financial crisis itself, how exactly did it cause you to essentially
be on the streets, right, homeless, from what you're saying?
So a lot of times graduates are faced with a catch-22 where employers want somebody who has five years of experience.
But how are you supposed to get five years of experience if everyone wants someone who has five years of experience and you're just starting out from college with no experience other than, like I said, part-time jobs that I worked through high school and college.
So nobody was hiring during that time period because of all the uncertainty.
I mean, anyone who's watched The Big Short knows that it was just absolutely absurd to consider the idea that the housing market would crash.
So this was something that was rather unprecedented.
And when negative unprecedented things occur people tend to panic and then they start to you know tighten up things keep their cards close to the vest And you know they were downsizing not really bringing new people on because they weren sure
Right. That uncertainty led to a lack of opportunities in the job market.
So I was all of a sudden my grace period for my student loans ran out and I'm sitting there working a part time job at a grocery store.
And eventually I got work at a supplemental learning center that kids wouldn't get sent to by their parents for supplemental enrichment outside above and beyond their regular school.
And that was really, really good as an experience. But again, it didn't pay incredibly well. There was no benefits package. I had no vacation time, that kind of thing. So it was a combination of the markets being down and not being able to find a job that could float my student loan obligations as well as rent and general living expenses.
yeah that is uh that catch 22 is rough and it's it's uh especially surprising or maybe not that
surprising given that it was a financial crisis but um you said you were you were studying applied
mathematics in college right yeah i mean that is applied mathematics is a fairly powerful
subject right you could you you can apply it to i mean you could you could have gotten into
banking as well. I mean, that was, people were doing things on the regulatory side, they were
trying to comply with Basel and all of that stuff. And they were looking for mathematicians,
presumably. But yeah, that is the weird paradox of the American university education system,
where you have students taking these massive loans for these colleges, and then the employers
demanding that you have experience.
But how on earth are you going to have experience
without a job?
So it is a strange place to be in.
And just thinking about it,
there is such a big element of luck involved
in being in the right place at the right time,
right interview, right?
And just getting that first job
just to get you off the ground
so that you can start paying your,
paying the interest on your student loans.
It is a, I mean, it seems like such an absurd system and yet people just get into it like lemmings.
Yeah, there's so many people out there.
I just can't imagine what they're going through with, you know, perhaps degrees that are even less marketable.
That was actually one of the reasons that I got the math degree.
I initially began my collegiate career by pursuing a degree in mechanical engineering, which I didn't stop enjoying that.
It's just that at a certain point, it was like, that's not the only thing that I enjoy doing.
And so I took a step back into applied mathematics, which sort of offers a larger umbrella, if you will.
It covers more things.
So I figured that I could always do mechanical engineering if I wanted to, or I could, you know, do consulting work, or I could teach, or I could do accounting or something like that.
So, and I did wind up doing basically all of those things.
And, you know, I want to go back to another thing you mentioned, and to the extent you're comfortable talking about this.
You talked about the 53-month mystery that the medicine man was able to help you unravel.
What was that?
So this gets into subjects of a religious and spiritual nature.
At the time, I didn't really realize this fully.
I would say that I had an inclination that I had just had some kind of an experience that might have been spiritual.
But there was a friend of mine who she's brilliant.
She had just graduated her undergrad and was in chemistry and she was about to go pursue a PhD down in the research triangle in North Carolina.
And I had visited her and her boyfriend down there the summer of 2018.
We all had a great time.
um they had you know again just moved down there so he was looking for work she was starting a new
phd program in a completely new city where she basically knew nobody except for her boyfriend
and there was this hurricane florence that was rolling into town and so i have a little bit of a
prepper mindset like a you know the doomsday prepper show i just frankly think it's responsible
adulting to be prepared for things. And so I was, you know, in contact with them, helping them plan
how to deal with the hurricane that was planned or scheduled to make landfall.
It was September 12th of 2018. And like I said, she and I were very close friends.
I love her very much. And she and I typically would text one another. But that morning,
after we had already exchanged a few text messages, she called me. And that was kind of like,
oh, what's going on? This is sort of abnormal. And she was in absolute shambles because the police
had just called her and informed her that they had found her boyfriend dead. And this was not
the first time that she hadn't been involved in a relationship with someone who wound up dead.
and the first one she actually found him.
So this, I knew, was going to be a very big trigger for her.
And with the hurricane rolling in, I knew very well that, you know,
opportunities to just sort of let the hurricane wash away her worries,
you know, just go sit out in a park and wait for a yield sign to land in her spleen
or a Volkswagen to pin her to a tree or something.
And that's one of those moments where someone is completely fragile and might just choose to punch the exit button.
And I didn't want that.
But I left work that day knowing I couldn't really focus on anything but her situation.
And I drove over to her parents' house.
they were going to go meet her at the hotel that they hadn't reserved for her and her boyfriend
so that they couldn't get out of Raleigh. And so I knew that, you know, help was on the way, but
no one's going to fly me into the path of a hurricane. I didn't have time to drive from
St. Louis to Raleigh to go get her and, you know, help get her out of there safe and sound and just
let her be depressed and silk in the passenger seat while I drove. She was going to have to get
out of here on her own. And as I'm driving around looking for, you know, some sort of a
place to chill and gather my thoughts. And I was crossing over an interstate highway on
another interstate highway in my old 93 Ford pickup truck in the left lane doing 70 miles an
hour when all of a sudden my entire body lit up with the most intense pins and needles sensation
I've ever had. And the, uh, I remember moments before that started thinking to myself, you know,
there's nothing you can do. You just need to be at peace with the machinations of the universe
and her free will. And whatever comes out of that is what will be. And you just need to,
you know, accept that right now. And it was a moment where my honesty and my surrender sort of
were overriding the unconditional love that I felt towards her. And I remember
that intense feeling of pins and needles throughout my entire body, you know, head to
toe, fingertip to fingertip lasted maybe 10 or 15 seconds. And at the same time, I was unable to
curl my fingers down and grasp the steering wheel. In sort of India, like the Hindu tradition,
they talk about like these hand hoses that are called mudras. And it was almost like I was
experiencing involuntary mudras during this event. And at the time I was agnostic, leaning
deist. So the idea that, you know, there's something that's a higher power. I don't know
what I'm unwilling to put a label on it. I had been raised in the Roman Catholic tradition. So
I was pretty well steeped in that tradition, but I had also sort of taken a step back from that
in college when philosophy 101 sort of blew my mind. And I found myself honestly having to admit
that I could not refute a lot of these philosophies that we were studying. And so my confidence that I
sort of falsely acquired from having been steeped in only one tradition for the first two decades of
my life sort of evaporated quickly. And so I took a step back to a place of like an open-minded
agnostic, right? If somebody wanted to invite me to their church or their temple or something,
I would go. If somebody wanted to evangelize me about something, I would hear them out. But
I had decided at that point in time that, you know, there was so many like options out there
for sort of belief sets, I had no idea where to start looking. So it was like paralysis by analysis.
And so I didn't really pursue it. But in that moment, in that truck driving down that highway,
right after sort of the pins and needles sensation went away, I remember leaning forward and just
screaming at the sky through the windshield, what do you want from me? So I have a sense that in
that moment, I realized that this was some kind of a message from above. I just didn't know how
to interpret it. So I started doing research online. You know, I looked up enlightenment
stories. I looked up stories of, I learned about what Kundalini awakening was to a limited extent,
read a couple of testimonials about that. None of that stuff really seemed to line up with my
experience and being a math mathematically minded person, we're pretty particular about
definitions and whatnot. It's, uh, you know, if two sometimes equaled three, the whole system would
kind of collapse. Right. So I didn't want to misspeak. I didn't want to push false things
out into the world. So I didn't, you know, make any claims about what had happened.
it didn't feel like it was a stroke or anything. I don't feel like my cognitive
processing has been impaired in any way. People tell me I'm, you know, rather eloquent speaker
and a good writer. I can do triple digit multiplication in my head as like a party trick.
So I don't think I'm working with any sort of impaired cognition. So I didn't know what it was.
I even went to some local temples to seek out answers from gurus.
I went to a local Hindu temple.
I went to a local Buddhist temple.
I wound up going back to that Buddhist temple once a month for like a guided meditation and a little bit of a lecture on the tenets of Buddhism, which was good because I was already into like Alan Watts.
And my favorite band is Wookiee Foot.
And they draw from a lot of different traditions.
So I was somewhat familiar with the Buddhist tradition from that vantage point.
But yeah, when Medicine Man gave me that name, number one, the way that he did it was something that I probably would have been dismissive of in my earlier life.
It was a palm reading, but it wasn't the type of palm reading where you're geometrically assessing the creases in the flesh.
That's been part of my research is discovering what was going on there.
At this point, my sense of what was going on is that he was reading my spirit body, my aura, magneto receptively, magneto sensitively.
So there was a study in 1998 done and granted it was a small sample size, but a three for three is a good batting average.
When you got a rookie who goes three for three at the plate you trot them back out there for another game and hope for similar results So they had three participants trip on the psychedelic substance called LSD in a completely black laboratory setting
pitch black, no lights on, with two horseshoe magnets rotating at half a hertz.
and all three subjects reported seeing diffuse blobs of colored light.
The researchers believed that these results were similar to reports from the scientist von Reichenbach in 1851,
who reported seeing magnet light.
And they believe that those that experience, those results were ergot induced.
So, you know, ergot is what Brian Murarescu in The Immortality Key found to have been a psychedelic component of the drink that was consumed by the initiates of the Eleusinian Mysteries.
So I'm thinking that essentially what was going on at Eleusis and what Medicine Man had been able to do for me was view the spirit body.
and specifically like if you look into some of the asian energy healing traditions like qigong
and reiki you know there's the sort of core energy centers of the spirit body the hindus
refer to them as chakras in these energy healing systems there are also like lesser energy centers
and there's an energy center that's located in the palm of each hand.
This is one of the ways that Reiki masters and Qigong masters
will engage in healing practices is by the use of those palm energy centers.
There's a book by Jacobo Grinberg who was brilliant,
but unfortunately he disappeared in the 90s.
He wrote about the shamans of Mexico.
one of those shamans was Pachita, and she could visually assess a person from a distance.
She could also do the palm reading thing too, to figure out what was going on with a person,
but she couldn't figure out what was going on in mind, body, and spirit, what was afflicting a
person from a distance, which to me affirms the idea that people who can read auras, if they can
discern the subtleties of what they're seeing from aura to aura, then they can use that to
diagnose, to treat, to identify, um, you know, spiritual awakenings, et cetera.
So that's what medicine man would do. He wouldn't visually assess the energy body via the Lao
Gong Qi Palm Energy Center, as it's known in the Qi Gong tradition. One other guy got his name and
got his palm read that day. The name he was given was Stoneface. The name I was given was Redtail
Hawk. And as I began to look up the meaning of that name, number one, it seemed to fit me
like a dovetail joint, you know, hand in glove, which kind of knocked my socks off because I've
never shared a conversation with this guy. I've never been in the same room with him. I've never
been in the same state knowingly with him. We've never embraced, we've never shared a meal.
So how could he give me a name that fit me this well? That blew my mind for starters. But
eventually, as I was looking up this name, it seemed like it had a lot of honor baked into it.
And so I started, I started experiencing imposter syndrome. Like, are you, are you sure that I have earned this name? And I asked my friend, like, you know, does your medicine man usually give out names like that? And she, you know, she responded, no. And frankly, I'm kind of intimidated by, you know, like, oh my gosh.
Um, okay. So I started taking this very seriously. And one of the videos that I was looking at on
YouTube mentioned that red tail hawk people oftentimes have a, you know, a Kundalini
relationship. Kundalini is a Sanskrit word. It means coiled. And essentially it's talking about
the divine feminine, the spark of the divine, there's a component of the spirit body that's
wrapped three and a half times around the root chakra. And when higher dormant chakras are
activated, the serpent ceases to remain coiled around the root chakra and it rises up through
what could be analogized as the spine of the spirit body, which runs in very close proximity
to, if not, you know, interpenetrating the actual physical spine. Now, if LSD and ergot and certain
psychedelics afford a person magnetoreceptive vision, and if, you know, like hippies are talking
about being able to see people's aura, and if medicine man who, you know, you think about the
medicine man tradition, there's a, people know that there's a traditional consumption of psychedelics
typically associated with that tradition. It would make sense then that the spirit body is in some
way, shape or form magnetic, probably electromagnetic. And so that serpentine component
of the spirit body would also likely be magnetic. It's probably plasma, but you know,
Scientists control plasma in laboratory settings using magnetic fields.
Now, if you're familiar with like electromagnets and the right hand rule from electromagnetism,
if you make the hitchhiker's thumb with your right hand, the current is flowing in the direction of your thumb
and it induces a magnetic field in the direction that your fingers are pointing.
So if there's a magnetic field moving along a copper wire,
it's going to induce electrical current to flow in that copper wire.
Well, the electrical system of the human body is the central nervous system,
and the spine is the core manifold of that system.
So when that serpentine component is moving upwards,
because it's activating higher chakras that were dormant,
you've got a magnetic field moving along that manifold,
inducing electrical activity, inducing polarity in that system.
I think that's essentially what I was experiencing with that intense pins and needles sensation
throughout my entire body.
I think that's essentially why the baptism of the Holy Spirit is described as fiery.
It's why jinn in Islam are said to be related to smokeless fire.
it's uh why you know dragons are said to have fiery breath you know dragons are basically just
serpents draco was a big serpent it's a serpent with wings basically there's a lot of you know
spiritual fire references and that tends to be how people describe these kundalini awakening
moments is that it's internal fire or it's like electrical fire being struck by spiritual lightning
or as I described it as intense pins and needles throughout my entire body.
But that led me to start researching Kundalini.
But then the thought came to mind like, yeah, but if this is true,
if this aspect of the Hindu faith is true,
why do billions of people worldwide adhere to the teachings of Judaism or Christ or, you know,
in Islam of Muhammad or Buddhism or all of these different traditions. And then I remembered that,
you know, having learned about this serpentine component of the spirit body that,
You know, serpents were actually revered all around the world.
I mean, look at Graham Hancock's show.
He's constantly talking about that subject.
Then I remembered one passage from the New Testament, Matthew 10, 16.
Jesus told the disciples, be therefore wise as serpents and harmless as doves.
And I'm like, OK, that's it.
He knew about this.
And then I remembered there are people who've suggested that Jesus traveled during the missing years.
And so I started looking back into the idea that Jesus traveled.
And so basically that turned into studying all of these different faith traditions, looking for the common ground that they shared.
and that's essentially what my research turned into was i guess you could call it an apologia
an apology of the perennial philosophy perennial like perennial flowers they just keep popping up
right it's uh everywhere i look i just see the same lessons being taught there there's differences
too but you know there's there's probably distortions in every tradition there's baby
and there's bath water.
So I try not to throw anything out
and just study everything with an open mind,
be loving and receptive to my neighbors
and learn the words and ways that they use
to express reverence for the Creator.
That's amazing stuff, Red.
I mean, the fact that you realized
it was a kundalini awakening
while you were driving down,
driving in that truck.
So did you figure out if that happened because you were in such a heightened state of anxiety about – was it your friend or your sister in Florida?
Friend.
Your friend.
Because you were in such a heightened state of anxiety about her condition?
Yeah.
I loved her so much unconditionally that I didn't want her to cease to exist on this earth.
I said that that was the component that helped me to unlock or activate the heart chakra.
It requires unconditional universal love, which is love without expectation of return.
Then the wisdom chakra in the throat corresponds with honesty and clear communications.
And in that moment, I was being honest and clear with myself about my ability to do anything whatsoever about that situation.
I knew that I couldn't drive halfway across the country in time to go get her out of the path of the hurricane.
It was going to be making landfall that day, and it would have taken me too much time to get there.
And no airplane, no airliner was going to fly me into the path of a hurricane.
So I just, I had to surrender and, you know, again, different faiths teach, you know, let go and let God, right?
That's what I hear oftentimes in like evangelical communities, or for example, the very name of Islam itself means submission to the will of Allah.
Submission and surrender are very much the same thing.
When you listen to like enlightenment stories like Eckhart Tolle or Sadhguru or Adi Ashanti, oftentimes there is a component of just total surrender.
And yeah, so that's been my understanding is that the combination of sort of those three things coupled with sort of my, I guess, karmic bank account balance, if you will, was sufficient to make that experience happen.
I think probably my best deposits into that sort of karmic bank account occurred when I was teaching at a learning center as the math and critical thinking lead.
This experience occurred around the same time that I was homeless or leading up to being homeless.
I remember at this learning center, we used to teach kids in a manner that was golden rule
compliant. We didn't talk about it that way. That's a realization that I've had in the last
few years while doing all this research. But basically what we did is we tailored
the education experience to each child based on a neurological profile that we put together
for each child. And so we were making clear the path. We were, you know, relying on strengths
while developing weaknesses We were you know like that salesman that you know who really makes you feel seen and loved you know when they talk to you like Oh Hey how the wife How that plantar fasciitis
You told me she was dealing with, Oh, how's, how's the kids? Is your son still really enjoying
boy scouts? Like they're familiar with your life and what's going on with you. And when they talk
to you they make you feel seen and heard that's the golden rule in action and so that's what we
were doing but you know we were using it to educate children on important subjects math and
critical thinking which would arm them with the tools that they needed to sort of navigate the
challenges of life on earth so i don't want to talk about golden uh using the golden rule to
orangeville but let's just close the loop on the story what happened to your friend
she wound up dropping out of that phd program to come home and um she wound up entering into
another PhD program locally after, you know, she sort of was able to go through some recovery
processes and, you know, come to grips with having lost her boyfriend that day.
And she did survive the hurricane, obviously.
Yes.
Okay, great. I suppose in the grand scheme of things, a happy ending there.
so let's talk about the golden rule for orange pilling i know you mentioned this
just before we stopped i started recording uh give an example maybe an illustrative example red
of how you would go about doing that yeah so first you have to learn about the person that
your orange pilling, right? And learn what makes them tick, what is interesting to them.
What are they passionate about? So if you're talking to somebody who is a military person
or law enforcement or a hunter or a Second Amendment rights activist, Jason Lowry's
work, software is probably going to be much more appealing to them than anything else that's out
there. So if you're trying to talk with them about Bitcoin, know your audience and feed them
something that is going to be appropriate to them based on their interests. If you're talking to
someone who is a gardener or a permaculturalist or an eco-hippie, a biologist, an ecologist,
something like that. Brandon Quittam's work on Bitcoin as a pioneer species or Bitcoin as the
mycelium of money would be far more appropriate to give to them. It's all about meeting the other
person where they're at. Every tradition seems to have a variant of the golden rule, but my favorite
came from the anthropocifist Rudolf Steiner, who frankly, I don't even think was trying to
articulate a variation of the golden rule when he said, all you have to do is look from the
perspective of the other. Right. And Rudolf Steiner is the person who started the Waldorf
schools. Is that right? Correct. Yeah. Now, all of this involves, to some extent,
some pre-work, like being able to look through the perspective of the other means you need to
know something about them. So in a setting where you're just, you've bumped into someone and you
think they might be a good fit for Bitcoin, how would you go about it? Or is it just,
is the golden rule for orange billing best reserved for a scenario in which you actually
have the time to understand your audience? That's a great question and a really great
observation. Um, you know, there's no use in trying to pitch a Ford man on a Chevy, right?
Uh, so if somebody is just straight up, not interested, why spin your wheels in the mud and,
you know, let, let them go on their journey. Um, they're not ready for the, uh, the, that,
the orange pill conversation. But, you know, if you notice that someone is complaining about
the economy or inflation and prices at the grocery store or something. At that point,
it's fair game to ask them if they're interested in having a discussion about that and if they're
interested in learning potentially some things that they've never learned before that might,
I don't know, you'll shed some light on what they're experiencing. And if they are, then maybe
you first spend at least a few minutes finding out what makes them tick, if you don't already know
that. But yeah, qualifying your leads is a good sales tactic. And frankly, sales is really just
transfer of belief and that's really what the orange pilling process is so it seems like a
reasonable thing to do is to you know avoid the the prospects who aren't really prospects right
and just look for the low-hanging fruit look it's okay to shake the tree but uh you know
shake it gently and just look for the fruit that's ripe to fall
and
they're not that many
at least from my experience
the people who are ready to have that conversation
are rare
they're the rare fruit
and I'm just talking about ready to have
the conversation
I'm not even talking about actual conversions
but
it is where we are
right now
hopefully things will change over time
you'd mentioned
just going back to something you said earlier
that you spent some time studying
the years in which Jesus is believed to have traveled
and I've heard different theories about it
and I'm curious to hear what your research
uncovered for you
well I mean I think even in the canonical Bible
They talk about how, you know, the quote unquote, holy family, right?
Jesus, Mary and Joseph had to flee to Egypt for some time to escape some persecution or some danger.
So obviously, Egypt, they have serpent symbolism all over the place.
You've got the, what is it, the ureus, I think, the headdress that made it appear as though a serpent was emerging from the third eye position in the forehead.
And you've got sort of the cobra hood style of dress that they would wear.
You've got, even in the Rosetta Stone, you've got the asp hieroglyph, which corresponds with like femininity and divinity.
So it corresponds with the divine feminine there. You've got the Druids up in the United Kingdom. According to past life regression, hypnotherapy, pioneer Dolores Cannon's work, Jesus traveled with Joseph of Arimathea to various places.
And Arimathea was basically Elon Musk level wealthy.
He was a metals magnate.
And, you know, the UK is known as the like the Tin Island, I want to say.
There's some pretty rich sources of tin located there.
So if that's where he was getting his tin for his metals trade, then being a wealthy man engaging in commerce there,
would stand to reason that he would have likely been in contact with the druids at that time.
They were also associated with serpents.
So then you've got the...
Oh, what is it?
There's a book that Dolores Cannon mentions.
It's...
Oh, gosh.
Let me see.
I'm going to look on my bookshelf real quick.
It is...
The Essene Heritage by Larson.
And her books about Jesus were Jesus and the Essenes,
and they walked with Jesus.
And they talk about how even still today,
there are people who sing very old traditional songs
about how Joseph of Arimathea was a tin man.
So that all lines up.
Then there's Nicholas Notovich,
who is a Russian explorer.
He wrote a book called The Unknown Life of St. Issa.
And Issa is another way of pronouncing Jesus.
The author found himself with a broken leg
getting mended in the Hymes Monastery near Ladakh.
and while he was there they brought a scroll to him that they mentioned uh he he had interest in
the first time he was at the monastery they talked about this scroll but they weren't sure where it
was then he left and he like all right i'll come back here on my way you know back on my return
trip well he didn't make it very far he got bucked from his horse and uh broke his leg and so they
they went back to that monastery and the monastery took care of him until he
could,
uh,
you know,
make his way back home while he was there.
They brought him the manuscript and they translated it.
And basically it talked about how Jesus traveled through India and Persia and
Tibet.
And,
you know,
it talked about run-ins with the Brahmins and with the Buddhists and basically
just my interpretation of this was that, you know, wow, this is actually consistent with the golden
rule that he taught. He's actually loving his neighbors as himself. He's not treating his
neighbors who have unique words and ways of expressing reverence for the creator as though
they are sirens of Satan, which nobody likes to be treated that way. He's treating them in loving
ways and with curiosity and wanting to learn what they have to say. And I know when people
treat me like that, I feel loved. So that seemed appropriate and consistent to me with his
teachings. So basically, yeah, I think that during the missing years, the missing chapters,
so to speak, of the canonical gospels. There is evidence out there that Christ traveled.
And it wasn't just Nicholas Notovitch, by the way, who found that scroll at the Himis Monastery
near Ladakh. Swami Abhad-Ananda actually objected to Notovitch's book and decided to go,
you know, verify what Notovich was reporting. And so he went to the Hemi's monastery and
sure enough, he found the same scroll. Later on, a Russian architect, Nicholas Rorich,
went and did the same thing. And they all found it and reported that, you know, this was a real
document. And, you know, they were actually all also able to see one another's sign-ins,
They had to sign in in order to enter the monastery or whatever. Unfortunately, the scrolls are now lost. I want to say this had something to do with the Maoist forces in 1950 doing their thing.
However, it seems that even still today, there are, you know, fragments of manuscripts floating around that area of the world. What would happen is monks would go to, you know, monasteries that weren't their home monastery to learn from the other monks that were there to read what they had in their libraries, etc.
And then they would oftentimes make a copy of some scroll that was in that monastery's library and then bring it back home with them as a gift to their home monastery.
So there was some decentralization for the win there that, you know, keeps sort of the memory, the validity, I guess, maybe of that story alive.
But I think some of it was lost due to the destructive forces of communism.
And Ladakh, of course, is on the Indian side of the India-Tibet border.
Correct. It's in the mountains, the Himalayas.
I believe so.
Yeah.
None of this is accepted in mainstream Christianity, correct?
I mean, I'm not a Christian, so I'm just sort of reacting to things I hear from people.
It's not something I grew up with.
Is that true, Red, that this is not accepted, right?
That's true.
And, you know, I'm sure that like dogmatistic, exoteric Christians wouldn't definitely disagree with me.
But like I have a difficult time as a Bitcoiner, you know, with the way that we regard fiat as a concept.
You know, it's because some authority said so.
Why does this currency unit have value?
Well, it's because some authority said so.
Well, why are these books in the canonical Bible, but these other books are not?
Like we know that the Dead Sea Scrolls are a thing.
We know that the Nag Hammadi Library is a thing.
There were other books that were out there.
Why were they not included?
Well, to me, the word canonical means the same thing as fiat.
It's just because this particular group of supposed authorities said so.
And that particular group of authorities existed 300 years after Christ walked the earth.
I mean, look at us in America, 250 years after the founding of the country, and look at how far things have changed in that amount of time.
it's you know in my opinion a lot of distortion can creep into a movement in a rather short period
of time even 2 000 years ago so i'm skeptical of you know the idea that people who walked the earth
300 years after christ have you know the the right um mindset the you know flawless discernment
to be able to declare for everyone else, oh, these books are okay, but these books are not.
So I largely reject the idea of canonical, and I am at the point where I'm going to look at
everything that I want to look at, and I'm going to verify and look for truth wherever it can be
found. I'm going to knock on every door and look under every rock. And it does seem to be a bit of
growing movement from what I'm seeing, right,
which is looking at these non-dogmatic
interpretations and explorations.
I mean, there's this whole thing
that I was hearing about recently
about the Mary Magdalene and all of that stuff, right?
And then you're talking about these,
I guess, the non-canonical interpretations.
Is that something you've noticed as well,
that there's a growing, I guess, groundswell in some sense of these alternative.
But at the same time, you know, none of these are preaching or teaching anything wrong.
It's all about love, right, from what I've seen.
But yeah, curious, what is your perspective on that?
Yeah, I think, you know, it's no news.
I'm not breaking any news when I say that,
religions are on the decline, generally speaking. People like the exoteric, you know,
mainstream branches of these religions are generally speaking on the decline. And I think
it's because, and actually on the rise, I think is the SVNR, the spiritual but not religious
sort of denomination or faith tradition, whatever you want to call that.
I think that people, there's a lot more people realizing just how culty the mainstream exoteric
traditions are. There's a lot of goodness in them. Yeah, there's baby, but there's also a lot
of bathwater. There's a lot of strange distortions and rules and beliefs that, you know, are kind of
odd. And, you know, I remember going to churches and thinking to myself, it's, it's kind of weird
how, you know, everybody stands at the same time and everybody sits at the same time and we're all
chanting the same thing at the same time. It just, it had a kind of a cold mechanical culty feel to
it. And I kind of always wondered like, why don't we go to a soup kitchen and feed the homeless
instead of this? I feel like I would be more fulfilled from engaging with people in need
and being of service to them than, you know, just going through a bunch of motions.
I think that people are noticing that dogmatistic, like divisiveness is antithetical
to the golden rule. How can you love your neighbor as yourself while you're also regarding your
neighbor as this, again, siren of Satan? And if you even listen to what they have to say,
that somehow that's going to taint you and render you incompatible with heaven or something like
that. It boggles my mind, the levels of cognitive dissonance that are harbored in order to think
that way. It's very much an egotistical thing to think that, oh, well, the tradition that I was
raised with that my mommy and my daddy, well, they were the best, right? That I'm obviously
the pinnacle of creation. My mommy and my daddy, they were the best and they would have taught me
all the most correct things. It's like, well, you know, kill your heroes, right? Slay your heroes.
They're, uh, they're imperfect. They're just winging it and trying to fake it till they make
just like everyone else. So it's good to love and honor our parents. They did a lot to bring us to
the point where we could operate as independent actors in this world, but at the same time,
acknowledge that they are imperfect, flawed beings who maybe didn't know everything that
they needed to know. And it's okay to question what they taught us. I think more and more people
are sort of on that train nowadays.
Yeah.
It is interesting to watch,
and I do hope more people,
again, with that overarching view
of unconditional love as the end goal, right?
Sort of break these dogmatic viewpoints.
Red, we're at the one-hour mark,
so I think we'll,
why don't we pause here
But pause, I say pause, but I want to keep the momentum going.
We have a track from a band called Jaded Jester.
The song is called Nothing Left to Say.
Sometimes you reach a point where the debates are over.
Not here, our debate continues.
But in other points, the debates are over and you just have to let the work speak for itself.
So this track captures that exact feeling with a lot of raw energy.
Turn this one up.
So I look back and I find
That I can leave you behind
Lock that door
Loose the key
Cause I've got
Nothing left to say
Look the other way
I'm not gonna play
All your power gains
Dancing with my brain
You can't keep the shame
It's the time
Crowded space, no surprise
You take no blame
There's no blood thick enough
To keep me from choosing myself
But no one knows who you are
The way you take it too far
Justified in your rage
Thing is I know I'm good at that
Tell me I'm too so far away
No goodbyes
Disengage
Cause I've got nothing left to say
Look the other way
I'm not gonna play
All your power games
Basing with my brain
You can't keep the shame
guitar solo
Nothing left to say
Look the other way
I'm not gonna play
All your power gains
Dancing with my brain
You can't give a shame
Nothing left to say
Look the other way
I'm not gonna play
All your power gains
Dancing with my brain
You can keep the shame
That was Nothing Left to Say by Jada Jester
who I believe is a relatively new entrant
into the open music ecosystem.
So welcome Jada Jester.
I enjoyed that straightforward driving energy on that song.
and you know what when you've said your piece and the noise gets too loud you just have to put your
head down and move forward the guitars drive that point home perfectly i have 90 splits open for this
music chapter send jaded jester some sats if the track gave you the energy you needed to close out
the week let's keep the signal flowing red are you are you plugged in at all into the
valley for value open music ecosystem um i mean through nostr i'm aware of a few artists that are
like bitcoin or artists and i wouldn't assume that that you know is there's overlap between
the open music ecosystem and the Bitcoin music making community. I think I've contributed to
adding an artist to that community. I don't know if you've heard of Anik Malcolm. He's a Bitcoiner
artist who I orange-pilled. I met him on X in 2023, but he's on Noster now. He's a Bitcoiner
now. He's made a splash in the Bitcoin art scene. He's made a couple of songs. One was Be the Change,
um btc right be the change and the whole song is pretty much lyrics that are it's a b word
followed by a t word followed by a c word and it's uh it's brilliant he speaks like
five languages or something he's a classically trained artist he's a rapper brilliant guy
anik malcolm you said yes okay i will check him out maybe feature him on
a future episode
awesome
alright so let's get back
Red and I want to play
devil advocate for for a second even though my heart really not in this devil advocate question but you were talking about um uh you know well i i believe that you know or you know
a hypothetical person saying i believe that despite the accident of birth my views right
what my parents instilled in me these are the only right ones everyone else's is wrong right
And, you know, a lot of religions or religious people, especially the dogmatically religious ones do tend to take that view, which, you know, doesn't lend itself well to constructive debate.
But there you have it.
How would you contrast that with a Bitcoiner saying, I know that Bitcoin is the only thing that makes sense.
and all this other, by the way, I'm one of those dogmatic people, so just FYI,
versus XRP is nonsense, Ethereum is nonsense, the scams, blah, blah, blah.
It's only Bitcoin.
What is the distinction in your mind between those two?
So I think that oftentimes people from sort of the legacy mainstream dogmatistic religious camps
have only ever studied their religion.
maybe they're a convert, and so they've studied two religions, whatever they grew up with and
whatever they converted to. I would say that having studied one or two religions tends to be
sort of the norm in those conversations. To differentiate that from the Bitcoiner experience,
I mean, Bitcoiners study all forms of money. I mean, we study the rye stone currency of the
we study wampum, we study glass beads, we study, you know, altcoins, we study gold, we study fiat paper money.
So we've done our due diligence in the same way that sort of, you know, one would need to do one's due diligence with studying different religious traditions.
But more often than not, the people who are, again, in these legacy mainstream dogmatistic religious camps haven't done that legwork.
And so, frankly, their position, their opinion is founded in some amount of ignorance, whereas the opinion of the Bitcoiner tends to be founded in knowledge, in having done the due diligence of studying all of these alternative forms of money and deciding after all of that study that Bitcoin is the king.
yeah fair enough so and you're someone red who's um studied uh for what you're saying uh you studied
multiple religions um include and you raised as a catholic and as a roman catholic and then you
went on the buddhism hinduism and um some of these other religions where did that journey take you
Was there a realization there in, well, this path makes a little more sense?
Or did you end up with, well, you know, a hybrid or something along those lines?
Yeah, a hybrid is a reasonable term.
I think the perennial philosophy is a term that I sort of hang my hat on now,
is that, you know, like a perennial flower just keeps popping up year after year.
Same is true with all of these traditions that I've studied,
is that I just keep seeing the same lessons popping up.
Now, it's not perfect overlap, but there is overlap.
And sometimes a tradition has something that another tradition lacks,
but it still all works together in a coherent way.
So at this point, I mean, I'm pretty sure that I've figured out
the origin and the science behind the original baptism ritual and how that links into everything.
I mentioned Brian Murarescu's book, The Immortality Key, earlier. I think that I figured
out the teleology, like the purpose behind what he wrote about. He maybe speculates,
but he's somewhat hesitant to speculate on why the Eleusinian mystery initiates were consuming
beer laced with ergot or you know what lsd is derived from um he speculated on the idea of
you know if you die before you die you won't die when you die what does that mean
um he speculated somewhat on you know why there are hypogeums these underground chambers that
people used to go down into and like lay down in like pythagoras or like why does the osiris shaft
in Egypt exist? Why are caves considered to be sort of spiritual places? I've got science to
explain these things. And so I think my work in some ways complements his, but also sort of if his
is focused on the Eucharistic sacraments of the Christian faith, you know, the bread and the wine
He thinks that the wine was basically part of the lineage of the Eleusinian Mysteries and the Dionysian Mysteries that Christ got the wine from Dionysus. Dionysus got that sort of psychedelic wine from the Eleusinian Mysteries psychedelic beer.
At this point, I'm well over 200 pages into having written a book that is called What's in a Name? The Language of the Birds.
The language of the birds is basically a no language language that is, it's like a riddle to be solved and etymology and sort of phonetic assonance is part of solving that.
So like noticing, for example, this is something I used to work with my math students on to help them remember concepts better is breaking words down into word roots, doing the word math.
I called it like perimeter.
What does that mean?
Right.
Well, it's got meter in it.
What is meter?
Meter is measure.
Meter and measure sound really, really similar.
If you make the T sound and extend it, you get the S sound.
And so like metcher, metcher, you can almost hear the fork, if you will, in that one word at a certain point in history, that one word forked off into two words.
So there's been a lot of linguistic analysis that's in play.
And at this point, my goal is to assist Bitcoin in moving mankind closer to world peace.
We talk about how Bitcoin makes war unaffordable, but I don't think that Bitcoin necessarily is going to fix everyone's values hierarchy.
So there's still going to be those religious extremists in the world who, you know, their religious views supersede any economic calculus that might be generally deemed as unwise.
And they may still choose to allocate capital resources towards, you know, religiously motivated violence.
So my goal is to show that all traditions have common ground.
I want to build bridges or perhaps rehabilitate bridges that already exist between these various traditions and show people how they can converse lovingly with their neighbors about the creator.
And this is in your book, correct?
Yes.
So, okay, for a brief, and you said it was called Language of the Birds, right?
Yes.
Okay, for a brief second, I thought it was a literal title, but I think it's more of a metaphor, right? The way you're going. Because if it was literal, I mean, you are a red-tailed hawk. So hey, what do I know? Maybe you are trying to decipher the language of birds.
no I'm actually really glad you brought that up read
about Bitcoin fixing the world
using Bitcoin to fix the world and it kind of ties in neatly
into my opening sermon
which I've come to the point it is a mantra that I used to parrot
myself fix the money fix the world but I mean it's just over the last
couple of years the realization has dawned that
there is a lot of work that people need to do on themselves, right?
And I'm someone who has, I'm a very different person than I was five years ago.
And that's not by accident.
Maybe there were a few accidents involved in that,
but most of it was a very deliberate and conscious work that I put into myself,
into confronting a lot of things that were difficult and so on and so forth.
So there's a lot of inner work.
And I think inner work is one of the highest forms of proof of work.
And unless people are able to do that, Bitcoiners or anyone else for that matter,
I don't know if having a perfect money is going to make that much of a difference.
Maybe it will on the periphery.
But unless people find that alignment,
unclear to me how far we can go as a as a culture as a society i don't know what you
i think that uh like for example um i talk about something called the bitcoin metanoia it's
something that a lot of people have noticed i know john ballas talks about it a lot in fact
in his personal notes he calls it the bitnoia um the portmanteau of bitcoin and metanoia metanoia
is just like a total change of mind and heart,
where you're looking one way for your whole life,
and then all of a sudden you have cause to start looking in another direction.
I think that going back to sort of the golden rule thing,
Bitcoin being sort of Austrian economics approved,
it has the blessing of Austrian economists.
The sister science to Austrian economics is praxeology,
the study of human action. I think praxeology is one of these golden rule disciplines.
So I think a lot of Bitcoiners are, you know, through the learning of Austrian economics and
praxeology, they're gaining insights into how other people think and how market actors behave.
And that's similar to learning about psychology or neurological profiling or, you know, the big
five ocean personality model or Myers-Briggs or the Enneagram. There's all these different ways
that we can learn one another and who we are and what we are, what our personality types are like,
Wolfpack archetypes, all that kind of thing. So I think when people start falling down the Bitcoin
rabbit hole, they tend to start studying praxeology, which is a golden rule discipline.
And I think that sort of opens their mind to ideas that are more spiritual and religious in nature.
And that's what we oftentimes see people after some amount of time in Bitcoin.
They just begin to turn or return to some form of spirituality or religion.
Well, I've seen some Bitcoiners return to a dogmatic form of religion.
especially in this country, it's fairly common.
I don't think I've seen it as much in Europe or Asia
with Bitcoin or down south, down under in Australia.
Yes, I mean, I accept that.
I mean, there's a transformation that begins
as an intellectual transformation.
And for some, that transmutes into a spiritual transformation as well,
which I think is the key part here.
Spiritual or, I guess, I mean,
if spiritual is a divisive word,
maybe something that goes beyond just the intellect itself,
a soul level transformation I mean I don know what a good framing for that is right But something beyond just your pure cognition that transforms And I think that good if that happens I don
know if it happens for everyone. And I don't think... Go ahead.
I was going to say, I think maybe a neutral expression of it comes from Abraham Maslow's
hierarchy of needs. I mean, I don't want to suggest that, you know, in order to, I guess,
become spiritual or religious, one must have wealth, because obviously, that's not true.
There are plenty of monks and clergy members around the world who have taken vows of poverty,
who are quite spiritual or religious. But, you know, having your your base level needs met
by being in possession of significant amounts of purchasing power affords one the sort of
mental resources to focus on sort of higher order pursuits like career accomplishments,
love, etc. And at the top of that pyramid is self-actualization. So I think that self-actualization
may be an appropriate synonym for things like enlightenment.
Yeah. Now, that makes sense. But I guess one of my reasons for sort of writing that sermon for today was I see a lot of Bitcoin, and this is not everyone, right?
There are obviously exceptions to this.
But a lot of Bitcoiners tend to get consumed by the darkness.
They have the answer or one powerful answer in this neutral tool that is Bitcoin, this perfect money.
But they start looking at the questions to that answer and then they get consumed by the darkness in those questions.
and that's what sort of led me to believe that look
that darkness, being consumed by the darkness
is not a good place to be in
it's one thing to acknowledge it
we're not bypassing here
I'm not talking about bypassing any of these things
or minimizing or pretending they don't exist
you acknowledge it but ultimately
I think the constructive way to approach this is
You focus on the light rather than get sucked into the darkness.
And I fear that a lot of Bitcoiners have not reached a level of emotional maturity, or spiritual maturity, if you want to call it that, where they are able to wriggle free of the siren call of the darkness.
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of toxicity in the Bitcoin space.
I think that Bitcoin, if it's not, I think it's both an attractor of sigma personality types and a forger of sigma personality types.
And I think it's very easy for sigma personality types who like that's a wolf pack archetype that is sort of off to the side of the hierarchy.
You know, alpha is at the top, beta is below them, et cetera, et cetera.
And then you have the sigmas that are off to the side and rolling solo.
They're the lone wolves.
And generally speaking, the Sigmas are alpha level competent, but have no interest in playing
society's games that whatever society thinks is the game to play.
Sigmas are like, yeah, that's nice.
I'm going to go do my own thing over here.
So I think it's easy to become jaded after, you know, weathering the criticisms of no
coiners and, you know, people who are ignorant of Bitcoin, who have whatever opinions they have
born of that ignorance. And so it's very easy to sort of decide to just pull away from all of that
stuff and go hide in some hermit hole somewhere and, you know, stack sats, focus on your craft and
just ignore everything else, which, you know, if that's what people want to do, you know,
have at it.
I think that to your point, there is always love to be found in each moment.
So in every situation, even when you're dealing with some sort of obstinate no-coiner, there's
a way to deal with it that is loving.
It's challenging.
I myself am not a perfect practitioner of this.
So it's definitely a good, I guess, practice to work on pursuing.
Yeah, I mean, same here, right?
It is, I mean, especially in these, I guess you could call them fraught times with the Epstein emails and having some Bitcoiners getting caught up.
Well, when I say caught up, I mean, you know, being mentioned in the emails or whatever it is.
And it's not that hard to dive headlong into that world and into the, I mean, just the abject atrocities that are outlined in those emails and get consumed by that.
And so, yeah, it's, you know, no one's, not too many people I know are fully focused on the constructive thing.
I think we all have our weaknesses.
Red, I know we covered a lot of ground here.
And part of it is all of these topics,
I'm afraid of scratching beyond the surface too much
because we'll be here for like two or three hours on each topic.
So I know we've, and we're trying to just keep it to the,
under two hours for sure, maybe the 90 minute mark even.
So I just wanted to make sure there was any other topics
that you wanted to talk about.
Again, I don't think we can go too far beyond scratching the surface.
But I'm just curious to see if there are other things we might have missed in this conversation.
Well, I mean, yeah, you're right.
I just did a show with Bitcoiners United on Wednesday night, and we did the longest show he's ever done.
And he wants me to come back and do another show.
I think it was three and a half hours.
so we definitely could talk for a long time um i uh did another show with bitcoin nova recently i'm
doing a series with caleb from bitcoin consciousness where i'm laying out all my research in a series
of episodes if people are interested and um they can do a deeper dive i've done three episodes with
daniel prince on once bitten i think it was episodes four four four five one four and the
most recent was 562. Daniel's big takeaway from 562 was, you know, the cover up that occurred
with somebody who I think was really important as Itzhak Bentov. Bentov was this brilliant polymath
who didn't go to college at all. He, you know, had patents, inventions, etc. He wrote this book
in 1977 called stalking the wild pendulum on the mechanics of consciousness amazing book uh i'd
highly recommend it i actually only bought it to read the appendix and wound up reading the whole
book in the appendix he gave me an important piece of the puzzle that helped me link a lot of things
together like uh we talk about how hippies are oftentimes talking about grounding right and and
It's not just hippies, spiritual people. I hear people on social media talking about touching grass. That's all talking about grounding. That's actually an important component of sort of the spiritual awakening process is that theta oscillations, theta frequencies between four and eight hertz are super important to that process.
Dr. Joe Dispenza affirms that in his work.
It seems to be a key thing, even like the Wachowskis figured it out and, you know, baked it into the follow the white rabbit scene in the matrix early on.
When Neo is talking about that area between being asleep and being awake, that's theta neural oscillation states.
I think that there's some really, really low-hanging fruit that is worth digging into for people on that subject.
Hypnosis subjects go into theta states.
Children between the ages of two and seven are in a theta state.
It's like you mentioned the Waldorf schools earlier.
They break out the education process into multiple seven-year chunks.
That first seven years is key.
That's when I think like your prodigies are formed is because they're immersed in something at that age when they're basically a sponge, when they can soak up all this information.
But theta waves seem to be related to past life memory experiences.
It seems to be related to, you know, activation of sort of spiritual awakening experiences, too.
It's a really interesting subject.
And of course, the powers that be in this world, and you mentioned the Epstein stuff earlier, they're always trying to pull strings and cover things up.
I think that's actually a benefit to those of us who are positively polarized, the good guys, the service to others oriented people.
Because it's like you're not going to grow your muscles unless you encounter resistance.
so with these cover-ups it's almost like they're you know creating an obstacle course
that we have to figure out how to overcome and then run through so yeah it's uh i think that
they were responsible for bentov's death he uh he was one of the 270 people or something that died
on american airlines flight 191 which if you look into it there there are reasons to be suspicious
that that wasn't simply an accident.
I mean, there's a guy in Oklahoma
who was apparently in charge of the maintenance procedures
at O'Hare Airport, where this flight took off from
and crashed shortly after takeoff.
And he unalived himself.
And that seems as suspicious as the idea
that Epstein unalived himself, too.
I think that that was done probably
for the sake of operational security.
four years after bentov died in that crash he was the most heavily cited source in what was at the
time classified military intelligence uh communications on the subject of paranormal
espionage it's called the gateway experience and the gateway experience is related to like
remote viewing astral projection that type of thing the monroe institute is probably the premier
organization in the private sector focused on that subject. And Bentov was cited more often
than Robert Monroe was in those documents. So Bentov was a pretty important person.
And I just love talking about him. I think he deserves more attention.
So Bentov was a guy who, just to summarize here, Red, was doing a lot of work in Theta,
in the Theta's state, Theta's healing, maybe some kind of psychic projections, that sort of thing.
Is that correct?
It was only a brief mention of it in the appendix,
but his appendix was about what he called the Physio Kundalini Syndrome or whatever.
And in that appendix, he wrote about how something called transcranial magnetic stimulation,
which is the use of magnetic pulses and magnetic frequencies applied to the cranium can trigger spontaneous spiritual awakenings.
And so, you know, the Schumann resonance of the earth, for example, which is another thing that Benton has talked about, is a high band theta frequency.
It's about seven and a half hertz.
So the idea of for example sitting in the lotus position with the receptive root chakra in contact with the earth or the idea of walking outside barefoot or the idea of immersing yourself in this resonant frequency by sitting in a cave or in a hypogeum where you surrounded by earth and materials that are all vibrating at this Schumann resonance
Basically, what's happening is something called rhythm entrainment.
So your body, mind, and spirit are all, you know, affected by oscillators.
The body, you've got electrons that are oscillating the atomic nuclei that you're composed of, right?
Your aura is a frequency that's probably contributed to by the electromagnetic effect of those electrons moving.
The mind has something called a frequency following response where if you are experiencing, you know,
each time I'm saying that dot, that's triggering a new neural impulse in your mind. And so the brain
winds up falling into that same frequency pattern as whatever the dot dot dot was.
So basically, if you took like some soda cans, and line them up on a flat surface,
and then you put a wooden plank on top of them so that that plank couldn't shift back and forth
side to side in one direction and then you took a bunch of oscillators like metronomes that
pianists use in order to keep tempo while they're playing the piano and you gather a bunch of
metronomes of the same make and model same size same pendulum length all that stuff you set them
to swing on top of that wooden plank but you you set them swinging out of phase with one another
What will eventually happen within a few minutes is that all of those metronomes will sync up with one another.
It's called rhythm entrainment.
This happens to all oscillators.
So I think that what Bentov figured out with those theta frequency tests with transcranial magnetic stimulation is the key to why people talk about why grounding is so important and why are caves so spiritual.
Again, Brian Murarescu talked about cave incubation as a thing.
And certainly the Greeks knew about the kundalini serpent.
They might have shown it differently with the Orphic egg.
But the Orphic egg, which I think represents the root chakra, it has a serpent coiled around it,
just like the Hindus talk about with the kundalini serpent coiled around the root chakra.
A lot of dots connect.
Interesting. Is there anyone out there who is today, who is using these techniques to, I guess, to, I mean, I wouldn't say supernatural things, but look, I see videos on YouTube, right?
of people talking about they're doing channeling and whatnot.
And the thing is, it's a YouTube video.
Who knows?
Anyone can be an actor and they change their voice
when they're channeling and assume a rigid posture
and create all the appearances of these types of things.
But I guess my question is,
are you aware of anyone who's using these techniques today
to effectuate real change, real meaningful change?
yeah i think uh dr joe dispensa he's a chiropractor i think as opposed to a medical
doctor or whatever but i think chiropractic is legitimate i've definitely got a lot of
relief from that through my life um he talks about theta neural oscillations gamma neural
oscillations and the importance of those when it comes to things like you know spiritual awakenings
and activating higher energy centers, he tends to avoid talking about that subject using,
you know, religious terminology, because he knows as well as we both do that that terminology
can be regarded as divisive. And so he tends to stick to scientific terms as much as possible.
But yeah, he's definitely out there in the world making waves. He's got, you know,
his niche following of people who are interested in spiritual awakenings. And, you know, he's
definitely doing good work on that front. There are others out there doing work with theta waves.
I think that healing modalities like Qigong and Reiki are very meditative in nature. I've
dabbled a little bit in Reiki, but more in Qigong. And I've noticed that as a similarity,
it's very meditative. Oftentimes there's music at play or there's sort of sound healing techniques.
So typically, there's a meditative component to these practices beforehand, which again,
leads me back to the idea of rhythm and trainment in meditation and trying to get oneself into a
a theta-dominant neural oscillation state.
I guess maybe the question that's burning on the lips of our audience is,
how can we use this to stack more corn?
I think that, you know, anytime we can provide value to people,
value is going to tend to flow back to us in return so there you know everyone has their own
unique values hierarchy and so every person we encounter is kind of like a you know a problem
to be solved uh like a home diy do-it-yourself issue that needs to be fixed requires tools
and you've got lots of different tools generally speaking in one's tool set that one can pull out
when one needs that tool right so i think that uh learning about lots of different things including
the subjects that we've been talking about is like adding tools to your tool set. And, you know,
when the time is right, when the right problem manifests in your sphere of influence, then you
have the right tool that you can pull out for that situation and provide value to that person. And
perhaps that causes value to flow back to you in return.
in other words do the work red there is no escaping doing the work putting one foot in
front of the other and uh moving moving ahead great uh anything yeah go ahead i was just gonna
say you gotta eat the elephant one bite at a time you have no one's gonna go to the gym for you
yeah indeed uh anything else uh red you want to talk about um any uh you know any other
the work that our audience can find,
or where can they find all of these things that we've talked about today?
I mean, I've talked about the book.
Again, it's not out yet,
but I have approached a publishing house's imprint about it.
They're currently working their way through it.
The name of that book is
What's in a Name, Colon, the Language of the Birds.
If anyone is interested, I've been emceeing a weekly study group.
It currently takes place on Clubhouse because I'm a bit of a tech noob.
I'm working on setting up a website, and I plan to pivot over to a podcast format for those study group sessions.
But for the time being, the study group is called Flight Club, and it can be found on Clubhouse.
we meet on Sundays at noon Eastern time US. So if anyone's interested in getting together to
discuss any of the sort of spiritual and esoteric topics that are a part of my research,
when we're in those sessions, we cover a logical fallacy every week. And then we read through some
planned material that's spiritual, esoteric, or religious in nature, we comment on it,
and we gather to share any cool stuff that we as individual seekers have learned in the week between study group sessions.
So, yeah, people can find me there.
They can find me on Noster.
They can find me on X at Redtailhawk19.
I would list my end pub, but it's a little more difficult to list.
I'll link all of it.
I'll link all of that.
I will need the link for your study group, Red.
As it turns out, it is at the exact same time as my Sunday brunch show.
So I think I would recommend my more spiritually minded value for value enjoyers.
Do check out Red's study group.
You could always catch Sunday brunch as a recording.
Likewise, we have replays.
We do record them, so if anybody misses it because they want to attend your Sunday brunch,
you can also check out the recordings of Flight Club.
Excellent.
All right, Red.
This is great.
Thank you for taking the time and enlightening the audience and me, for that matter, on all of this.
honestly, this is like
each topic that we picked
is probably a two or three hour discussion
in and of itself. So I don't know
how much justice we did to it, but
at least I hope
we gave people a taste of
some of the fascinating
things that you're involved in.
Likewise, you're a great interviewer
and I'm grateful and appreciative of the
opportunity. Thank you for having me.
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of how running a business in a highly regulated fiat industry and simultaneously living on a
Bitcoin standard don't mix. Essentially, he, meaning Ben, has to risk everything to truly
operate outside the fiat system. And that is a good point, Rev. And it's an uncomfortable truth
that some Bitcoin accepting merchants might have to grapple with fairly soon. There might not be
a beautiful union in those rebellious opposites of fiat regulation and being on a Bitcoin standard.
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