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Welcome to Pleb Chain Radio, 130th show.
Today is Friday, 926, 2025.
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Today's guest is Rick with CryptoCloaks.
We had a brief show last time, and it looks like we're going to dive into some more topics.
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Culture Corner, the Alliance Upindo Block Party next Saturday, October 4th.
If you're not in the block party, if you're not solo mining, I recommend it.
You know, we like to bring our solo miners together for these block parties.
It's a way to kind of unite a rebellion against the behemoths in the mempool.
So join the fun, join the community.
It's educational, and we'll get into that later in the show.
Noster Valley 2.0. It's coming back. State College, Pennsylvania. If you're in the Pennsylvania
area, October 18th, that's a Saturday. I'm sure you'll hear all about it on Noster.
An account like Derek Ross probably won't stop talking about it until that day comes.
So it's a big event. It's also going to be a value for value event. I think the Costellos,
Ainsley, I think even Heather Larson, my local friend will be there.
So I highly recommend Nostra Valley 2.0.
Love to see that it's coming back.
And today's sermon, Keeping Bitcoin Real.
Gentle plebs, hodlers, cypherpunks, everyday folks, gather round this flickering ledger flame.
Bitcoin's true spirit, that wild lightning bolt from Satoshi's forge, is being smothered under a blanket of big money fog.
ETFs like silent sentinels stifling the thunder of our private keys,
company treasuries chaining the untamed stallion of sovereignty.
Where are all the cypherpunks?
Those digital nomads slinging arrows at the fiat dragon.
The warriors demanding money as a free river, unbound from the government's dam.
Many have slipped into Noster's vast shadow, uncharted wilderness,
a relay-rooted rebellion where echoes can't be erased.
Is X now a parrot in the state's gilded cage, squawking edicts from the storm cloud turned to drizzle?
It feels like the river's inevitable bend as Bitcoin swelled from a spark to a roaring inferno.
The endless dilution of penny stock posers and Satoshi-cloaked grifters has to end.
The centralization of hash rate has to end.
The greatest mechanism against the grift is a strong community built on a protocol with a sovereign heartbeat.
a rebellion of solar miners a rebellion of nostriges a rebellion of node runners a rebellion
of decentralization slay your heroes and keep bitcoin real that's my sermon and i would like
to bring on our special guest rick with crypto cloaks what's up my brother yeah i'm just happy
we made this happen to be honest can we talk about this for a second so both of us battle
Both of us have little warriors, little ones.
So we always try to plan these meetings.
I mean, essentially the show, this conversation.
And it's amazing how tough it is to actually just have one hour of free time to talk.
And I try, man.
But I'm on the part, and I think you understand too, like family first always.
So anything in the Bitcoin space can always take a sideline.
no matter how rough it is. And yeah, it's a, it's wild. Like just trying to balance out
because we, me and my wife, we don't do daycare and I love that aspect. And it's a battle because
we both work from home. So we always trade back and forth on when we have meetings and trying to
do podcasts. Sometimes it doesn't line up ever. How many times did we try to like reschedule this
thing? Yeah. Well, in two weeks ago, I, I, I got, uh, my, my wife was sick. My son was sick. I mean,
we were snorting Tylenol and, uh, no, but, uh, really it was, it was one of those moments where
I'm like, I can't do this. I mean, I, you know, I, I understand I have a purpose. I want to deliver,
uh, you know, for, for people, I want to do my part for the community, whatnot, but
family first. And sometimes that just, that's just the way it is. And it, and it seems like my son's
two, two and a half, and he's just, he's chaos, man. So it's, it's really, and he, and he loves
his daddy so if he's in the house and he knows i'm in the house the the the door's just just
getting in his way you know oh yeah dude i love it my kid's a year and a half now so little little
dude's on fire he's running around everywhere and it's it's a whole different ball game i love it
have you 3d printed him anything uh yeah what the hell have i 3d printed them little toys i literally
uh so he just got a bunch of like duplo blocks that uh grandma brought over and he didn't have
any like platforms to build on so i was like screw it man just found a file online and 3d printed
like green grass that he can build on so we've been having fun with that that was the latest thing
it's just like shit like that man i freaking love it yeah i mean i i don't have a 3d printer it's
something that i'd probably have some fun with but i am the one that he so my son breaks everything
yeah he just comes up he's like daddy fits it daddy fits it like he just assumes i'm gonna fix
it uh but i'm like glue some wood glue i got a little wood shop printer brother i could fix some
things but uh yeah i can't recreate things that are absolutely destroyed so um oh yeah that's neat
and then you can upgrade them you know you can upgrade i'm sure every time you see something
you're like hmm i found like a kit i found a kit for like squirt guns that look like tech nines and
you can do like everything on them and i was like oh man i bought the kit for like the water part
and electronics and so i can 3d print him his own like custom squirt gun so that's that's on my list
of things to do and he's like one and a half like he has no idea what the hell i'm even planning for
him yet remember growing up when we we had those uh those plastic guns and and they didn't have the
little red tips on them so like they actually looked real uh the good old days man you know
what i mean we're never going back to that now it looks like it's a shooter from a toy story or
something it's all green and white and it's like obviously this is a this is this is whack but
that's the best part about 3d printers man you can make them look pretty realistic and then people
are like why the hell are you doing this and you're like i don't know it's fun dude so you've
been 3d printing um for a long time and we talked about it a bit in our last show um but you you've
taken on a role of kind of uh so we built this alliance a solo mining alliance and um you know
It's really just to make solo mining fun, kind of bring a community together, have our gamified block parties.
But you didn't have to do it, and you did, printing the stands for the alliance.
But what is it about the communities that you see in Bitcoin?
Because I'm sure you've seen a lot of them pop up over the years.
What is it about that you want to help them?
I don't know, man.
I feel like as time goes on and you can really see in this last like a couple of years, like
Wall Street entering the game, everything fucking changes. Basically, you see almost
like a Bitcoin culture dying. And when you see like small pop ups happening, you're like,
holy shit. Honestly, it's nostalgia. Like it's crazy, like in an eight year span, which
is nothing like normally you think nostalgia 20, 30 years ago or 40 years ago, but it's
like eight years like and for me nostalgia is five years ago back in like 2018 or 2021
i i see everything happening it's it comes in cycles but every time you see it come in a cycle
you're like holy shit like this is awesome and that's that's where i get the passion from and
it always has been and especially since like wall street has entered the game and now all of a sudden
And you just, all you see is influencers talking about paper Bitcoin, which nobody gives a fuck.
Truly.
Everyone's just trying to meet the rich and famous.
And in the long run, like, I really don't give a shit about any of that.
I never have.
And when I see little, little places pop up, like the Alliance, and all of a sudden I'm like, oh, what are these guys doing?
And I kind of dive in.
I'm like, oh shit, this is fun.
Like solo mining, it's kind of lonely.
Like that's to be expected.
So like the alliance that you got, like the alliance, the group mining thing that you kind of have built, I kind of love because I joined in it.
And now like if I win, everyone wins.
And like it's this tiny little community of us just like trying to mine a block.
And like we all get hyped up during the block parties.
And if we don't get a block, whatever, but we still have fun.
And then eventually, like when we do or like when we hit a block, it's going to be the greatest thing ever.
Yeah. Yeah.
And, you know, you say nostalgia, but I think I feel like the solo mining, you know, these small, inexpensive devices that basically you cast your hash, one chip, one vote.
All these newcomers into Bitcoin don't know what that nostalgia, don't know what Bitcoin mining was eight years ago.
And that the barrier for entry to be an actual profitable miner, everything today with the hash rate going nuts, it's almost just out of touch for just your everyday person that wants to understand.
So I'm speaking from experience.
It's nostalgia because maybe you actually participated back then.
But a lot of us, we just have no idea.
We're in like this state of bliss where like we're learning, we're growing, and we're actually interacting with a part of the Bitcoin network that we never would have even known about unless we got these little, just like a raspy pie and a node type of thing.
Yeah, man.
No, I totally understand.
And I kind of love that whole aspect of the Bitcoin mining space with all these little mini miners that you can buy.
And you can just have fun lottery mining or like group mining with like your friends or you find a group and you're like, oh, shit, let's let's have some fun and just try to get a block.
I totally understand that aspect because like beyond like before back in like 2018 I mean I bought S19J Pros for 20 grand I barely got my money back back in the day And that was like 96 terahash And I was heating my house and I was building shrouds and stuff
And nowadays you can get the S21s that are I don't even know how many terahash anymore for like six grand.
And you're like, holy shit.
You just can't compete.
It's wild.
I look at all this and I look at the power.
And so inflation is obviously going to keep going up.
The power bill is going to keep going up.
I look at a halving coming where the block reward is going to be split in half.
I look at paper Bitcoin summer turning into this cycle's demise as a possibility.
I don't see, and maybe it's all state funded or maybe it's something where it's subsidized,
but I do not see a world where the hash rate continues to keep doing what it's doing with all those three things happening.
So the cycle going down, the halving halving, so your block reward split in two, and the power just continue to be more expensive.
I think the rise of the pleb is definitely a real possibility in the future because we have nothing to lose.
And I think that's a very powerful thing.
When I buy something from CryptoCloaks, I buy, you know, well, let's see here, the Nano 3S right next to me or these two Alliance bid axes.
is I really have nothing to lose.
I mean, I'm powering a few light bulbs, essentially,
is what I'm giving to the hash.
So it's something where, you know, I can kind of smile
and watch this centralization panic.
I sleep well at night.
I don't have to worry about it.
And, you know, install, and especially how quiet these are,
my wife doesn't even know.
So it's something I'm, you know, I got this hidden rebellion going on.
Yeah, you guys have no idea what it's like plugging in an S19J Pro into your furnace system, flipping it on for the first two minutes, and then all of a sudden you start hearing pounding from upstairs.
And your wife's going, what the fuck is that?
And I go, oh, shit.
Are you watching Top Gun down there?
What the hell's going on?
And then you go through all this shit to try to make these things as quiet as possible.
You don't hear this loud-ass industrial hum into your furnace.
And, oh, man, I mean, that's that's definitely the nostalgia part for me is like plugging in that first giant ASIC into the house.
And your wife is just like, you're not fucking running that.
And you go, well, I just spent 20 grand on this thing.
I need to fucking run this thing.
Yeah, I need to run this thing.
So I need to figure out ways.
And that's wild, man.
Yeah, I couldn't.
I mean, it was there was always out of touch.
I mean, always out of reach.
And, you know, my where I'm sitting right now, I have three miners and about 15 feet away.
My son sleeps at night.
So, you know, I'm trying to keep the keep my miners safe.
So I'm using the the appropriate power supplies.
I'm keeping them at eco mode, essentially, unless it's block party and I'm here and then I ramp them up.
Oh, yeah. But it's just something that it's quiet as a church mouse.
I mean, I got my microphone right here and I have three miners around me.
So that's the state of the state of mining for these these gentle plebs out there.
Yeah, it's it's awesome to see.
It's definitely the next generation type stuff.
And it's it's really it's a really cool aspect of it, to be honest.
I don't have to deal with the noise.
I'm not going to act like you're a professional miner or you have, you know, this.
I'm nowhere near.
I'll tell you that right now.
Yeah, but I'm looking at all these chips are just from China, right?
They're all just ASICs from China.
Yeah.
Except for the new ones that Dorsey made.
That we're going to kind of watch that one.
And then Intel was supposed to get in the game, and they kind of like, I don't know what the fuck they did.
Yeah, they left.
Well, I think that was all just a chart-pumping ruse, honestly.
They just wanted to, I don't know.
What's new, man?
Yeah, yeah.
I take everything with a grain of salt, to be honest.
Yeah.
So, you know, with that said, I've noticed in the community, you know, I've been into Discord groups.
I've noticed other people, they really love their open source.
And I don't know if I see the value in open source as much in mining as I do in like wallets, as in, you know, at the end of the day, these are Chinese ASICs.
and they're just trying to pump, you're just trying to pump terahash into the network, right?
So I don't know how that really, I don't know if there's an attack vector there,
or I mean, do you happen to know if there's any reason it needs to be open source versus like,
let's say my cold card, I'd like to know that's open source.
I'd like to be air gapped.
Be able to verify the code and everything around, yeah.
Yeah, so it's something to me, I don't know.
And I don't even know if jacks are open source.
so it you know it's it's kind of a larp to me there's a lot of puritans out there but i'll just
leave it at that i i don't really know but it's it's funny because i i do every time i join these
kind of subcultures i look into it and then there's always these people that are super super
extreme about it then there's these ones that are kind of the the i don't know jpeg people so as time
As time goes along, you will realize that there are an unlimited amount of purity tests and you will never be able to satisfy any of them.
God, I couldn't tell you how many that I've went through.
And it's really funny.
So you're at the Bitcoin and chill stage.
Yeah, like I really don't give a shit anymore.
I did what I needed to do in the past.
I helped a lot of people out.
And now I literally just sit back and I'm at the I don't give a fuck stage.
in my Bitcoin journey. It took me eight years to get here, but you like, sometimes you care too
much. Well, that's it. It's gotta be sustainable, right? Yeah. And then it's just, it's not,
and you have to, I, I just had to take a look inward on honestly and just be like,
there will always be bullshit. There will always be scammers. I've been in this far too long to
waste my time. I have a family I'd rather deal with than all this other bullshit. Somebody else
can take the torch and tear it down if they see something they need and purity tests are like the
biggest larp on the fucking planet um there will always be a new one that you need to follow or
somebody will rip you or rip your nuts off for it i just laugh at every purity test i see
the only ones that i get are like yeah jpegs on the blockchain like we don't fucking need that
shit like yeah if that's if that's a purity test sure that's one that i'll pass i'm certainly not
looking to make my money transmitter a data storage for uh nor should it like uh i want to
send money peer-to-peer that's what it's for that's what i've always wanted it as and that's
what it should stay as i mean that's the simple are you following that whole knots verse core
i muted all that bullshit man it's just wild it's it's literally to me i watch both sides
and i go this is literally the left first right politics there's so much propaganda and bullshit
i can't even keep up with it and like it's escalated text messages it's like what are we
doing right now like what part of literally just escalate nothing there's nothing about it anymore
it's literally a larp fest on both sides it's just it's getting out of control so i laughed and i
just muted it all and i go the best part is bitcoin honestly if you truly understand bitcoin
it doesn't give a fuck about both of these sides and it will continue anybody that's saying bitcoin
will die from any aspect of what they're arguing is retarded in my mind and i will say that and
that's where my line is um we've watched it in the past bitcoin will survive it doesn't give a fuck
i muted it all and it's just wild it's like watching politics it you know because because
you do you do get tribalism you get the factions and and and humans are kind of always like
Bloods versus Crips, but really
if we can get more
options, more instances
Oh yeah, there should be a third option
Why are we still doing this two party bullshit
in Bitcoin? What are we doing here?
I mean, I was always a libertarian
growing up, you know, God bless
Ron Paul, but I never thought I was a Republican
but that was where I had
to be, you know
Exactly, I think that's the whole thing with Corn Knots
It's like, okay, so we're back to the two party bullshit
system that everyone hates in politics
great where's the third option or the fourth let's do it like that's that's the truth let's get the
green party you know let's get the i want as much energy usage as possible i want to drain your pool
party uh bitcoin but like seriously in the long run like i am at the bitcoin and chill stage where
i love bitcoin i will keep stacking bitcoin and i just sit back i don't care about all the
arguments anymore, to be honest. Like, yeah, I really don't. I love the fact that, you know,
getting into mining, I'm casting my vote, um, running a node, I'm casting my vote, uh, using
open source, uh, uh, using a, let's say a cold card, uh, and seeds, seeds, like stamping, uh,
onto washers or something. I love that part of, of a Bitcoin. And I think that's the focus on.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, roll some dice, get some entropy. Let's, let's, you know,
it's amazing to explore that world of bitcoin uh not this papered over culture uh where i kind of
feel bad for this generation to be honest like the the newbies from like 2021 and on like you guys
you guys don't have people on x and everywhere else just spouting what we got to enjoy in 2018
is like stack sats hold your own keys cold storage be sovereign like you don't see that anymore and
it's like, I feel bad. Well, look at the mempool, man. No one's moving Bitcoin.
Yeah, I know. It's wild. There's theories that some of these shitcoin
companies, these, well, they're treasury companies, but they're really just penny stocks
that like have one hotel and they just basically a shell company that has a treasury. But I don't
know, maybe OGs are getting on the board and they're moving the Bitcoin that way.
That's the problem.
They're joining fucking boards of BTS.
It's not actually moving on chain.
Nothing's really happening.
And yeah, it's just dilution, man.
And it's interesting because, you know, everyone looks at these cycles and they're supposed to keep going up, up, up.
But we keep BART heading.
Oh, dude, I know.
It's hilarious.
So it's just going to be interesting, man.
And then on the flip side, you know, we got ourself a global recession.
No one's really doing well.
And Bitcoin's never been in that.
Fuck, pal.
Bitcoin was born from that.
So it's interesting to see this first ride through a little bit of global poverty.
And I mean, I think we're doing pretty good if Bitcoin's still at $109, $110.
I think so too.
With a recession and people are bearish.
I go, Jesus Christ, you guys have no idea.
Yeah, World War III.
I think there was like 100 generals meeting today to get there.
Yeah, it gets wild.
Undisclosed location.
uh i mean we used to just deal with the china china man uh banning mining you know so like that
was the biggest fun on the planet that would tank bitcoin by 10 20 percent now look at us we in a recession and nobody spending money and we at 109 and you fucking bearish What are we what are we doing here That what I that what I always
ask. Speaking of spending money, how's crypto cloaks doing as a business? How many locations
do you have? How many Amazon depots do you have? So we sell on Amazon Mopar mining out of Florida.
He runs our crypto cloaks, Florida shop. He runs all of our Amazon orders and we're still doing
good i mean we're still pulling in 60 to 150 orders a month on there which is honestly just
like extra money for us which is great um overall business i mean it's just it's miners right it's
wild like uh home mining is how much is this mining kind of just gave you a second wind
i mean it's been nuts so home mining allows me to basically get revenue to do what whatever the
hell I want and build what I want on the long run on like products, which before I would have to
focus on certain products because they would get money in. And now I can like have home miners sell
on the side while doing what I want and doing what the community wants to see designing that and just
like releasing those 3d printed things. So I'm having a blast. I've literally taken a step back.
I've kind of like refocused my business, refocused myself, my thoughts on Bitcoin and like
going back to the roots of what crypto cloaks really was and just building. I want to build
more shit. I want to 3d print more shit. Home mining is awesome. And I'll continue to sell
home miners and the newest ones, but I really want to like folk, like my passion is design work
and 3d printing. And I, for like the last month and a half to two months, I've kind of
refocused on that aspect and trying to get people to like understand 3d printers and
get their own because that was my mission back in the day and i kind of veered off from that and i
kind of want to go back yeah because i saw you gave away one and uh dude i want to give away more
i love it i love giving people sovereignty but you've been established enough to where
yeah they might even send you one just to get uh accessories or something like kind of mapped out
because I think a lot of these companies aren't like,
it's not like they're selling to millions and millions of people.
It's a proprietary market, right?
Yep.
So do you ever get free stuff just to build a shroud or build a case?
I think you actually shipped off your cold card.
Oh, God, dude.
That thing's gone, man.
That you used as a mold, essentially.
Yeah, that thing's gone.
Uh, yeah. So cold card is nice enough to send me a cue to design, uh, sleeves around to make custom
sleeves. And I've had that thing for two years, just like test fitting before I would ship out
the products. And I think I accidentally left it in one of the sleeves. It's crazy. You get all
your Bitcoin on that too. All of it's on there guys. So yeah, that's what I would do. I would
totally use a hardware wall to test fit shit. It's a 3D printed world of boat accidents.
basically yeah that's the next boat accident uh no but it's gone and whoever got it i mean you can
use it it's brand new it's i don't even think i turn it on or put batteries in it but if you want
to return it back that'd be great because that's how i used to test fit q cases before shit yeah
i so what do you make for the q well i guess i should start with uh i saw the mx was it mx4
is that what it's called mk4 mk4s yep um you you've been doing laser engraving or what's this
new technology that you're a new toy i should say that you've been having fun with yeah so
i found this by accident uh i was laser engraving a bit axe pcb board and the the engraving or
engraving went past the board onto black pla plastic and and it turned it white and i go holy
shit that's cool uh i could probably use this so then i started using just black pla and now i can
laser engrave the black pla and put in any design i want so like all of the cases and sleeves that i
make i can laser engrave and now people have full customization options and i'm like this is some
next level shit this is fun because now people can do whatever they want with these just an accidental
happy little accident man and that's just me going back to like building and fucking around
and it pays off because that's that's where i want to be that's where i find cool stuff that
happens and yeah it's been it's been fun you you've been uh engraving uh the alliance grows
is that correct on on the alliance yeah yeah on the pcb boards yeah there's a rumor that
that engraving actually adds one tera hash to that's what i heard too i can't advertise that
because i'd be liable but that's what i heard too the rumors going around man hey i've been getting
a lot of uh so i noticed on your store that the the power supply is upgraded for the bid acts um
what tell me about what kind of shit you've been dealing with on the the unupgraded ones and what
made you change that and then okay that's old now yeah yeah so that's old that i should technically
take away the upgraded ones because what happened is way before like when gammas were going like
skyrocketing and gaining popularity and selling like tens of thousands of units everybody was
first using five amp plugs well that wasn't working well um you would have defaults and power power
issues so then all of a sudden they went to six amps and that's what that upgraded power supply
is you got one more amp of power that could draw and normally you'd see like on your your pcb uh
bit x os you'd see like it draws like 5.1 or whatever now and that's what you want and
before it was like low power drop because it was technically not able to get as much power as that
board needed in cases because especially if you like start overclocking and start messing around
with that i mean you're done that that piece that psu is basically stock and if you touch it it won't
have enough power to do anything and the six amp allows you to at least yeah yeah so the six amp
allows you to at least overclock it a little bit but then that's a whole nother ball game because
then all of a sudden people in like a month go, Hey, my board doesn't work. And I go, okay, well,
I have, I have no way to ever see if you overclock that board and people were frying boards and I
had to start doing different policies because I mean, even Altair tech was showed, uh, his,
a bid X board he got back from like an Amazon order. And it was basically just completely
fried up. And you're like, Holy shit. Like what, what are we doing? That's, uh, that it's,
it's gotta be a tough market to be a retailer in, uh, when you're, when you're, it's not like,
uh, you know, when people, when you ship it out, because it's such an experimental market,
uh, and people don't really know what they're doing. So they start tinkering.
Uh, and as soon as you tinker, you could fuck something up and then, and then you're like,
my board doesn't work. And I'm like, really? Okay. What did you do? And they tell me something.
I go, well, you just fried your board, but they're like, well, I'm going to return it.
There is trends and issues, right?
So you kind of notice, okay, this lot or this style,
it seems like my number one feedback is overheating.
Oh, God, dude.
Yeah.
Just stop.
I just plugged it in.
That was the biggest fucking thing, man,
and the biggest pain in the ass, to be honest.
And those just came straight from the manufacturer,
and people were bitching for six months to a year
until they finally changed it and those are for like the main manufacturers in the u.s so now they
have like the black the black uh heat sink on them now on the new ones i don't buy those anymore but
yeah man it was wild uh the biggest factor was when you got the boards and you ship them
since it only had two prongs in there and those orange heat sinks yeah if if they moved a little
bit the paste the thermal paste on the bottom would come off the it could rock it a little bit
to where it would create a separation so as soon as they plugged them in well now you don't have a
a perfect line of thermal paste so it's going to overheat instantly
yeah it's it we all learn the hard way like when i all of the distributors when i took that heat
sink off um or you know the yep the the two little toggle i don't even know spring loaded
deals when i put it back on it's like so it just i plug it in overheat so i'm like okay let me just
take it off again you have to like be very very careful how you seed it um and then once you get
it right then just be careful don't be careful and the problem is when you buy like a hundred
to a thousand at a time and they come in boxes right yeah and all of a sudden you have to test
every single one and when they come to the shop you're like oh thank god all these work all these
ones don't so i'll repaste them and then as soon as you ship it off the worked one ups or usps could
be kicking that thing like ace ventura the customer gets it and he goes this thing doesn't
work it overheats within two minutes you're like jesus christ the the fucking thing rocked or
something happened with the thermal paste again and it's like okay well you can return and i'll
give you a full refund they're like well i just want a new one it's like i got so sick of sending
new ones out at the beginning for refunds because it would just constantly be the same issue
and i finally hit a point where i said fuck it i'm almost going to stop selling bid access
altogether and i go no i'm just going to do ice towers and that's what i have officially swapped
all my stuff to is just ice towers my come they're they're screwed into the board i set them myself
with thermal paste zero issues sending those things out zero overheating it's honestly it's
It's been amazing because, God, the amount of time you'd waste on overheating on this stock heat sinks was just a nightmare, dude.
It's funny because it's such a rabbit hole getting a big X because eventually you're just going to start tinkering.
There's too many accessories.
There's all this fun.
So why not start with a great upgrade like that?
You know, something that you're eventually going to have to decide between what kind of heat sink you want, what, you know, getting a Noctua fan is just make it quieter.
Yep.
All those little tiny things that you're just, you know, you might say, oh, this is $90.
I'm going to save, you know, I'm going to save this money.
But then you end up, you look at your unit after you're done with your, you know, custom Honda car and the amount of money you put into it.
And that's honestly the thing is I don't think people understand this.
Yeah, like you can buy. So that's what I did for a while. We just sold bid X's like 100 bucks for a while. And it was stock heat sinks. And then like we go buy. Eventually, I just started saying buy these at 100 bucks if you plan on modding them. The problem is a lot of people just bottom and working to bottom. And I was like, okay, well, you run the risk of the same shit that I've dealt with for years. And eventually I was just like, no, I'm not going to do that anymore. I'm going to I'm going to make it easier for the community.
I'm going to save myself a million emails, pissed off customers. Cause I hate having pissed off
customers. And the fact that people get mad at me when I say, I'll just give you a full refund.
They go, I don't want a refund. I want the board. And I go, okay, well I get that, but this could
happen five more times. Cause it was basically a 25% chance when you sent a board out that you'd
have to return it send out a new one And after after I saw the percentages I go this is just this is stupid This isn consistent We have to fix something from the base I think the ultimate goal with the BIDX project was really trying to make the lowest barrier of entry
Making it as affordable as possible to get your hash on there.
But at the same time, you need to make sure your user experience is sticky.
You don't want people like that.
Because BitX has became like the normie tool to learn mining.
And that's what you want, right?
You need a tool for normies.
But the problem is a lot of normies aren't going to be like, oh my God, I'm going to tear this heat sink off, reapply thermal paste, follow this guide or video to do it and have a new heat sink.
Like that's not going to happen.
Yeah.
We would love to think, but the cypherpunk age of Bitcoin is dying and there will be few that do it on the tail end.
But now you have an influx of just the normies coming in and that's what you want.
That's how Bitcoin succeeds, right?
That's how they understand money and the power of it.
But you won't have tinkers that literally built PC gaming rigs from scratch.
You won't have people coding their own electronics.
You just won't have that in like the mainstream.
So when you sell a product, you really have to take a step back because that's what I learned during this whole process.
It was definitely the greatest learning experience I've had on like home mining in a very long time.
very humbling is normies are entering the game and it's not going to be, Hey, they'll be able to
figure it out on their own. Back in the node days, when we were reckless with lightning,
every single node case I'd sell, every single full built node I'd sold, everybody was okay
with like learning if they had to tear things apart or recode things or reflash. Um, that's
just not the case anymore um and i learned that the hard way a lot of pissed off customers but i
tried to like make sure that they were still happy in the end and if they still weren't happy when i
gave them a full refund after swapping out a couple of boards i mean there's that's just the
name of the game you know and you have to learn from those experiences and you have to figure out
how can you give a normie or people that aren't modders a really good experience without having to
deal with that and it just comes down to tinkering and kind of learning as you go how much has canon
help with this as an option the nano i i don't think there's anything bad i can say about it
other than there's just when you go from a bidaxe to an avalon uh nano 3s like there's no
customization really so it just kind of sits there it's it's like one of those that's a game
where you want to play right come on do something i think can ans are better for normies to be honest
because it's it's plug play here's here you go done yeah bit x's are for tinkerers but i think
they were marketed for normies when in in reality they're not they're not for normies bit x's are
not for normies they're for tinkerers the cypherpunks um because there was just so much that
you could do to them right and in reality you want the most basic shit where normie can plug
something in type a few things in off to the races set it and forget it that's what they want
i love i love that there's so many different uh you know there's etsy and uh there's a lot of 3d
printed parts for this is trying to retrofit basically raspy pie uh heat sinks and fans and
everything you would normally see on a yeah like everybody using ice towers on bit axis we were
doing this shit back in raspberry pi four days on reckless nodes back in like 2018 2020 and it's
hilarious like we're literally just using them now on bit axis so it is really fun to kind of watch
it because you get all the stuff that you've had pi manufacturers like why the hell are these all
of a sudden selling and you find out oh these people are retro it's bitcoin again it's it's
the plebs again they they're not doing nodes anymore they're now doing miners now they're
doing like mini miners yeah it's wild man like the geek pies though back in the day those things
were selling out you could never get them on amazon because people were like building so many
lightning nodes and i sold i was selling custom cases on lightning nodes through the roof and
people were buying and they're like hey what what would you put as a cooler on here i'm like ice
towers like and all of a sudden like that that like the fad of building your own node kind of
died and now all of a sudden you can't buy ice towers anymore because they're selling out for
bid axes and it's actually pretty cool like if there's a will there's a way man yeah and you're
just seeing that over and over and over again in the in the lowest common denominator uh just these
cheap these cheap mods uh just trying to get them out globally uh i think that's the best part
BitX even has one for Africa.
And I think it's in Swahili or something, BitX.
Yeah.
That's great.
And you know what?
That goes to our other point of making Bitcoin nodes only process peer-to-peer.
You're basically pricing out these people all over the world based off of your own beliefs in your first world.
So it just kind of makes me sickening away with that.
But I love the revolution. And you know what? With all that that tinkering, the difference between this and that, that's what that telegram group that we're in, Alliance, the Wrigley community, that's what it's for.
I mean, you can come in there and just ask the dumbest question.
Then we'll throw about three stickers at you.
And then we'll give you an honest answer and you'll come away a better man.
But it's a great learning experience.
So anybody, I definitely recommend it.
Of course, man, because my biggest thing is all hash matters.
It doesn't matter if it's open source or closed source.
That's the biggest LARP on the fucking planet.
All hash matters.
If you join the game as a home miner and you're throwing it at the hash and you're lottery mining, you're a winner.
That's all I got to say.
And there's, it's, it's funny because, you know, there's the lottery miner.
So, you know, let's just, I'm going to point this at, you know, solo pool or whatever.
And, you know, I'll have my, maybe I'll get that block and it'll be 3.15 plus fees.
And I'll just be, you know, just totally with myself.
But the chance of that happening is like, oh, my God.
Might as well have a little fun, pull it together with just friends.
And if one person hits, you get the bounty of one Bitcoin.
The rest is split.
But having that community is empowering.
And I think that's sustainable longer than just forgetting about your miner in the corner of your room.
and another thing i like about the block party while i'm adding to this is it gives me a it makes
sure i go over there and i actually you know juice them up maybe i'll overclock them for six hours
but it makes me aware because these units can overheat these units need a little they can shut
off and if you're not watching that shit that thing could not be running for like a week and
you're like oh shit it says overheat i wonder how long that is like i just leave for three months and
And I love the fact that I can see my miners in the pool hashing away no matter where I am.
So I'm like, all right, I know they're kicking along.
But yeah, this Nano 3S, I mean, this thing is a heat source.
I can't imagine not cleaning out this filter over time.
All those little things that it's easy to forget.
I'm looking at my gaming PC right now.
And my GeForce RTX has a little layer of dust on it.
bro my shop pc is covered in fucking dust i i'm as soon as he said that i looked over real quick
i was like holy shit i need to dust that fucker off i can't treat my minors like i treated my
gaming pc no no no no no they'll overheat way easier yeah so that whole you know being lonely
and and not actually participating in and actually engaging with your minor you know that it does add
a little bit it's just it's it's better to be in a community in my opinion but you know to each
their own everyone can do their thing and if you really want to solo mine you just like set a couple
miners or like one miner to solo block but then you can still have like another one and like join
the community and still be a part of it where you're throwing yeah say the same amount of hash
at the pool with everyone else and and you're just having a good time because my whole thing is it
got boring doing it by yourself yeah well how many uh the last uh block party how many uh miners did
you put online was it a record amount so i was failing i only had like one swapped over for like
months and months and months while we were doing this and i was like all right i got really hyped
for one block party i go fuck it i'm gonna swap over everything over so i swapped over like 25
and i think i just plugged in two more nerd q plus pluses that got returned and said they were
broken but they really weren't so i got like i got 50 terahash now on just bid x's nerd queues
i got a canon nano 3s i have an s9 i got a brains 101 pointed at the at the thing now and they're
just they're just spinning man i just have fun how's your cable management oh fuck dude you
should see the va it's bad it's hanging off a wall right now and got it my shop is a disaster
so you expect my cable management to look good you're just tripping in the dark yeah basically
man it's like holy shit it's tough i mean these things so you know these things aren't necessary
like the fans they give you like eight inch cable eight inch cables uh yeah you know everything is
just kind of you know you want some hodgepodge together the wires uh because you're running some
some some serious voltage through them uh you know for for what they are uh it's it's one of
the toughest things I think is in Bitcoin mining is, uh, is cable management. And I think that's
with any kind of computer nerd type of a setup too. Uh, you know, and wireless just isn't the
same in my opinion. I do have my, uh, you know, the bid axes are only a wireless only. So they're
on the, the wireless network, but, uh, by the way, they only connect to 2.4 gigahertz wifi signals.
If you don't know that I have gotten so many bid axes back going, this doesn't work.
and they were trying to connect it to a 5g and i'll go you guys i literally tell you this but i
will shout it right here it only connects to 2.4 so keep that in mind i i doubt it took me about 45
minutes to get mine on and i even tried the trick where you walk distances away to uh so you oh so
you get out of the 5g range to get to the 2.4 to the 2.4 because the 2.4 is a longer uh band or
whatever but yeah man just go to your router once you got it on then you're good uh and you're good
uh you know and you want to add to the pool i don't know it's it's interesting but the nano
three this nano 3s i could never get it to actually do my wi-fi so i i wanted to do the usb
conversion to uh ethernet so yeah i did it and then that was that was clean i think did it actually
work yeah oh yeah mine's mine's hashing away and i've plugged with an ethernet cable what's that
You're with an Ethernet cable?
Let's see here.
Yep, yep, 100%.
So I can share that with you.
You should definitely share that because I think I'd like to share it with everybody.
It should come with an adapter.
It's dumb, but yeah.
It should.
but they come with a little usb wireless stick is yeah the dongle yeah yeah the dongle
didn't they call you i did not know in high school i don't know what that means but what
i didn't know they actually i didn't know you could actually do ethernet with the
that's smart dude holy shit all right yeah yeah i would like to know yeah send me a picture of it
okay yeah i'll just send you the like the one i bought um it was uh because i know people ask me
And I'm like, I don't know.
It was like eight bucks or 10 bucks on Amazon.
Oh, yeah.
It's nothing.
Yeah.
I forget the name, but it was one of the main manufacturers.
I learn something every day, man.
Yeah.
But the cues.
So obviously, you know, you have your solo miners.
You have your, okay, I'm just going to be doing home mining, which I equate to like, you know, in your back room, a standard 15 amp plug.
Yeah.
um you know but then you get to the q range where you know the actual efficiency and 100 what 90
terahash god what i think it's 96 i think it's just 96 terash or 90 but you can go but once you
get to that now you're at like 1800 watts or something now you're in that range of you need
to be upgrading to a 220 um or 240 uh you need to so you don't have to you don't have to you don't
have to upgrade to 240 so the canon q is literally on the highest end that you can run a 15 amp fuse
with a 12 gauge wire but that's if you're if that is literally the only lag right yes so yeah don't
get me wrong so if you are running this you are you better be only running this if you're running
this thing in high yeah so the normal mode there's like uh eco mode there's low mode and high mode if
you run high you better be on a 20 amp breaker uh you only have this thing plugged into it
like that's it um if you're running like the lower modes even like the mid the regular one
you better be on a 15 amp and you better not have anything else um besides that if you do the low
eco mode i think you can run i would have to look at the watts because i've actually looked into this
a lot it's kind of like running 3d printers where i think it was like 800 watts yeah 800 watts the
eco um yeah it's it's pretty crazy though because i i don't know if you know i live in phoenix my
yeah i don't have a winter really so but there's places where you're you're plugging in a space
heater and you start looking at the watts and you're like oh shit you know that's the same
and i can be profitable yeah so like that's where back in the day i built the space heaters out of
s9s and i built a full 30 page guide where people could i go if you're running an electric space
heater. So what it actually all stemmed from is my wife at night in our bedroom would run a 1500
watt space heater at night during the winter to keep our bedroom like warm. And I looked at,
I go, what the fuck are we doing? This is 1500 Watts. I'm burning electricity on this thing.
Anyways, why don't I run an S nine? And then people go, well, you can't run an S nine. That
thing's a lot of shit. And I go, yeah, but there's gotta be ways to run this thing and still heat.
so then I went through a whole different aspect of like fine tuning it at different watts running
the minor at and I did hold all different fan combinations and I got to the point where I got
this thing run an S9 at 800 watts and it was under 42 decibels it was it was less than the space
heater and noise it ran at 800 watts so it was more efficient and it heated the same as a regular
electric space heater and i and i've had that guide up for like three years and that was before
like can and actually just entered the space with all these home mining things that basically
changed everything right you don't need the s9 anymore the efficiencies are ridiculous out of the
water now yeah yeah it's it's crazy because like the amount of heat you know with with with chips
you're always thinking okay i need to contain the heat i need to contain the heat i need to bring it
down and you disperse it but on the flip side utilizing it and just having a nice slow fan
roll that out uh dispersing the heat as a as a resource um it's just changed everything
so it's like like avalon if you go on the app i mean they're marketed as space heaters essentially
yeah like the mini 3 from avalon is literally a space heater and it has a uh thermostat in it
So you can set the thermostat and once it hits the power, it like slows down.
Right.
It's nuts.
Yeah.
And when I plug in so when I plug in my Avalon I name which room it in So you can literally have heaters in every room It like a smart house with heaters yeah they gone all in on the heat the heat aspect of it and i love it but if you look back
at like so like heating with bitcoin as a as like a gain right is nothing new because like back in
the day satoshi actually said it in august of 2010 i brought it up because this is very important
Like he knew the heat from your computer is not wasted.
If you need to heat your home,
if you're using electric heat where you live,
then your computer's heat isn't a waste.
It's an equal cost.
If you generate heat with your computer.
And that was back in the day when people were mining Bitcoin with just CPUs.
So like he knew how important it was for Bitcoin mining heat reuse.
And you're really starting to see people understand it with space heaters
mining Bitcoin.
because if you're running an electric space heater at 1500 watts why the hell are you not
just running a bitcoin miner gaining sats or solo mining while gaining that heat in the long run
what about what about bitcoin cash what do you think
i don't i don't even think we need to go there man
there's there's seriously though if i if i look at some of the forums because i've i've dove down
this rabbit hole it's like you you got this you should do bch bro and you're bs me or yeah like
the last block party whatever somebody's like why don't we we could have mined two bch blocks and i
go i don't give a fuck about that like what are we talking about here that's not that's not what
we're here for stay on the stand course man it's not gonna end well i mean if you want to mine bch
blocks and get revenue sure go ahead like more power to you i don't give a shit but like i'm here
to mine and add hash to the network of Bitcoin because it secures the network. And I might
actually hit the block. Like that's what I'm here for. Yeah, that was hilarious.
Go to the Amazon reviews and look at like for the bid access. So number one, I don't ever
recommend buying a bid axe from anywhere that's not reputable. But like, hey man, that legit list
is super legit and I'm not allowed to be on it anymore. Well, it's just so funny because the
reviews are like you know i'm doing doge i'm doing this it's like oh man and but you know what
i mean i get it though right yeah yeah you're you're in it for the uh the gains they want the
gains and you have a better you have better odds right yeah so yeah yeah it's for me it's not about
that for me it's a learning tool and just like just like man if you hit a fucking solo block
Holy shit. Like that's, yeah, that'd be the ultimate, ultimate win, man.
So talk to me about the Bitcoin bonanza.
Oh yeah. Our Christmas bonanza.
Yeah. Tell me how it started, how it's going, um, how it's progressing, everything.
Yeah. So a couple of years back, I had this grandiose idea that I kind of want to like
throw a giant festival in December for Christmas and just give stuff away to the community as a,
as a thank you for always coming to us for buying stuff and just giving back
because yeah,
fiat's nice and like Bitcoin's awesome when you stack,
but it's also nice to give back to the people that support you.
And I can't like,
if I never had the help of all these bigger accounts,
helping me spread my name across,
I wouldn't be where I am today.
And that's kind of what I,
what I look at as the Christmas bonanza.
I'm not a huge account,
but it's a way that I can give smaller businesses and Bitcoin or entrepreneurs
that are starting their own thing,
a way to show off their products to a bigger audience. So like two years back, we threw
our first Christmas Bonanza where I worked with, I think it was maybe like 20 different companies
and they all, they all sent stuff to the shop. I built 16 bundles of stuff with all of them. And we
did a bunch of marketing and showed off products and then we gave it all away through December.
So we had four weeks of giveaways of four bundles and it was probably three to four grand worth of
stuff that we gave away and everyone loved it. And I go, okay, well, this is going to be my new,
my new thing that I want to do. Cause I honestly love it. Um, you, you can be lonely in Bitcoin or
you can try to have fun with the communities and stuff. And that's, that's my favorite part.
So then I did the last year we had $10,000 and 50 companies worth of stuff to give away. It was,
it was insane. Like it was, what we were giving away was, was wild. We were giving away full.
How do you give away stuff?
So we do it on, so last year and the year before it was all on Twitter.
And this year I want to kind of tie in Nostra because people always give me shit.
Oh, I don't want to go on Twitter.
It fucking sucks.
I want to go on Nostra And I go okay well thank God Nostra saved my life And I guess I going to give away Amen brother Amen Yeah right Nostra saved my life completely And they go why And I go you don need to worry about that
All caps.
Nostra saved my life.
Nostra saved my life because that's how everyone acts on Nostra.
So this year I kind of want to give away some more stuff,
but I want to also allow people that are Nostra only to get in on that.
So we'll do where you like or retweet a Nostra post or just comment on it.
and you'll get entered.
So that's what we did on Twitter.
It was like a like, retweet,
follow every single one of the merchants
that's giving stuff away
because we wouldn't have had
such a crazy bonanza without them.
So I want to make sure they get their money's worth
on what they helped happen.
But yeah, we gave away like $10,000
worth of stuff last year and it was wild.
It was really, really nice stuff.
So we're doing it this year.
How do you pick it?
So we used, last year we used XPicker.
it's just a website
that you click the tweet
you type in what you want
for it was like follow you had to follow all
these companies you have to like and retweet
this tweet and then would choose a user randomly
this year if I do Noster
I'm going to have to figure out how I'm going to do it
where it's going to probably be more work
for me because I'll have to probably go through
and look at every comment on there
and they'll be like give a number to every
post and then select a random number
one through whatever posts are on
on there
have the little man or little yeah yeah right i'll have the little dude just like pick a number
yeah i might just do random shit like that and like twitter if this year's this year right now
we're already set up at like ten thousand eight hundred dollars worth of shit with like four
different companies and there's gonna be there's already like 20 companies still sending stuff out
so i'm hoping to hit like 15 20 grand worth of shit that we're gonna give away this year
so i really need to figure out how i can give stuff away easily where it's not too much work
well yeah because it's it's also you know holiday season where uh you know you're you're you're
filling i'm busy yeah like it's it's wild so yeah i'm really excited everyone should enter and keep
an eye out whether you're a nas or x uh i am working with a bunch of companies and trying to
get everyone in to just give stuff away this year and make this the biggest year yet uh right now
there was like 10 grand's worth of like bitcoin trading cards already given out by like the
legendberg he sent me full sets of like all of season three from like purple to gold it's it's
wild there's there's ten thousand dollars worth of bitcoin trading cards that i'm giving out already
let alone like four hundred dollars worth of other stuff and uh another four hundred dollars worth of
like board games and and that's just like four companies is there a crypto cloak sale bitcoin
trading card yet no but i think we might be in season four if everything works out you should
harass them and make sure that happens but i'm not worried about it it doesn't matter i'll be
honored if i get in if i don't whatever i actually just unplugged my uh one of my bid axes it was
overheating it's because i turned my fan off in here while i talk uh and then i have my computer
and everything running.
So there's a little bit more heat.
And I've been watching it.
It was like, it was going like 65, 70, 74.
So in the course of this hour,
it's gained 10 Celsius and hit the protector.
So I'm going to clearly need to return this.
Yeah, return it a year later and go,
this thing doesn't fucking work.
It overheated.
Yeah, send it over my way, man.
I can't wait for that call.
Oh, man.
well anything else because uh i think we got a solid hour and i know i gotta get back to my
little warrior absolutely you're doing the baton uh passing around like the baton right now
absolutely we're just daycare disrespecters dude i love that i okay the fact that you just said that
i'm gonna literally make a sticker and add it to orders that's fucking awesome i was just talking
to my wife about this because, you know, fiat is time theft and everyone's trying to get the same
standard of living, but afford it today. When the money printer goes and 40% of the USD is just
dumped on us in a year, over time, both the wife and husband and wife, typically what used to be
just the husband would work and bring home the bacon. Now it's both are working and both don't
have time And then the cost of daycare is continuing to go up Now we have all these sick kids And then on top of that we just dumping Tylenol on them because they overheating like a bid axe uh and and and then you look at this it just kind of i just had this little
epiphany and and maybe i'm wrong but uh it's like i feel like fiat is definitely adding to the autism
so well of course man it's all about fiat like all these fucking companies dump shit on kids
anyways because it's they want the fiat gains yeah it's gross yeah we get we could talk about
that for like another hour that whole thing about no daycare oh man i could just sit here and ramble
on and rant about all the bullshit that they push on that shit oh my god i'm uh i'm taking him to
soccer right now so it's my he's gone like two times and it's it's at this park and there's a
playground nearby and he just all he wants to do is run towards the playground the whole time oh
yeah uh and he you know he's two and a half at soccer and uh i asked him yesterday i'm like you
like soccer but he's like no i just keep bringing him to this thing that he doesn't like so then
it's like okay well we'll take you out of that next season and we'll find you something else
well and that's that whole unschooling thing right you kind of find what they're they're engaged in
um and i like the thing of like if they channel that yeah if they if they're really good at
something don't ever tell them no you need to study more fuck it like did you ever see the
thing where they're like oh man if they're really good at like playing piano why would you
waste all this money and like sending them to this instead of like dumping them into like something
they're passionate about and really good at because they could just be like the greatest
like composer ever i can't remember the exact quote and i go you know what
fuck man fiat really just messed up generations because you look at that and you go yeah
why do you need to shove this kid through school where it's a five-year-old boy or an eight-year-old
boy and he's stuck in a fucking classroom for eight hours and they're like oh man he's really
restless uh we should probably give he has adhd we need to give him meds and stuff and you're like
what the fuck yeah like yeah and and it's just uh it's i hate it man well i mean me historically
if i was into something i'd get an a plus if i didn't i'd get a c that's just the way i'd get
d's and f's man if i don't care i don't like it yeah yeah i would just do the bare minimum i mean
in Spanish class. I, uh, there was a, there was a Mexican kid that sat next to me. I had him do a
lot of my homework. So you find a way to get that C let's just put it that way. Oh yeah. I mean,
back in the day, uh, yeah, if like high school is easy after that, I was like, all right,
if I don't care about it, I really suck ass. But if I love it and passionate, I love doing it,
man. Like I'm, I'm all in it's wild. It's, it's a crazy world. Cause it's your first kid. My first
kid. Yeah. And we have a, we're just running blind at this point. So it's, it's something
we're going to, there's going to be, there's going to be a lot of decisions in the future.
Hell yeah, dude. Well, awesome, man. It's, it was great talking to you again. And we'll just
keep doing this every few months and maybe get it at other subjects, whatever. Yeah, man, I'm,
I'm down to talk about it.
Make sure to cancel a few shows.
Yeah, right.
But other than that, man, anything else, anywhere you want to send people?
Yeah, I got one more thing.
Everyone that is a Bitcoiner and wants more self-sovereignty, buy a 3D printer for the love of God.
If you buy a 3D printer and you want help, reach out.
I will help you, and it'll be the greatest tool in your life besides Bitcoin itself.
So don't feel, buy one, reach out to me for help.
That's what I'm here for.
That's what I love.
Yeah.
And I know Rick from two rooms on Telegram and I get it.
You know, Telegram centralized.
It's kind of bullshit.
It's the way we're kind of watched on there.
And maybe we'll find some sovereign way of creating these rooms in the future.
But Telegram, the crypto cloaks maker space, I believe they call it.
Is that what it is?
Yeah.
That seems to be where there's a lot of conversation going on.
And then that Wrigley community telegram.
I'll put both the links to those in the show notes.
So if you're interested in 3D printing, that crypto makerspace,
and then the Wrigley telegram community, which is our alliance,
you'll find Rick and I both on there actively engaged.
So let's rock.
Hell yeah.
Well, thank you very much, Rick.
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