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Our sermon today is Weaponized Escapism.
The desire to flee is the most rational response to an architecture designed for extraction.
We exist within a system that systematically harvests our time and our attention.
This machinery traps human potential in endless loops of manufactured outrage and quiet despair.
The walls of this digital and economic enclosure feel suffocating.
The instinct to locate an exit is a clear sign of a surviving spirit.
We must recognize that the nature of the escape determines its ultimate value.
There is a destructive path outward,
characterized by the desperate attempt to simply numb the friction of modern existence.
We see this retreat in the application of chemical salves and anesthetics used to quiet an anxious mind.
We witness it in the surrender to the artificial achievements of video games, the shallow spectacles of pop culture, and the tribal distractions of mass sports.
It manifests most insidiously in the passive consumption of digital feeds, trading our remaining agency for a fleeting dopamine response.
This form of retreat simply hands the system a different kind of victory.
It leaves the individual tethered to the very engine they sought to evade, mistaking a temporary cessation of pain for true freedom.
A radically different trajectory exists.
We can practice constructive escapism by exiting the noise through a state of profound, deliberate creation.
Retreating into your craft severs the connection to the extraction machine.
You reclaim the sovereignty of your own attention and redirect it toward building the world that comes next.
The technologist writing code for decentralized networks is actively escaping the enclosure.
They channel their desire for freedom into the immutable logic of new infrastructure.
Every line of an open protocol acts as a brick in a new unassailable fortress.
They build the lifeboats while the old ship takes on water
The artist executes a parallel maneuver through a different medium
The writer, the filmmaker and the musician retreat into the quiet spaces of their imagination to forge something beautiful
By blending narrative with deep emotional texture
They counter the despair of the matrix with a generative meaning
A transcendent piece of art serves as a vital reminder of the human soul
we are fighting to preserve that it provides the weary traveler with the inspiration required to
keep moving forward turning away from the daily chaos is a requirement for survival
we simply need to ensure our retreat is generative the impulse to escape can either dissolve your
spirit or fuel your masterpiece choose to build the tools of our liberation or choose to create
the beauty that makes that liberation worthwhile. The true exit is found through the uncompromising
pursuit of your craft. And joining us today is a man who, at least the last time I checked,
has indeed weaponized his escapism by focusing on his craft. Source Node, welcome back to
Plep Chain Radio. Thank you. That was beautiful. Had a lot of good thoughts come up during that.
I'm doing my best to
liberate myself from the fiat matrix
but I'm noticing more and more these days
how many layers there are
it's not as simple as dropping fiat currency
it's a deep process
oh yeah
last week I did a sermon on how fixing the money is
or just fixing the money is not going to fix the world
you actually need to fix yourself first
Right. Yes. Exactly. I'm actually writing a book and that's a big piece of it. Bitcoin doesn't fix anything. It gives us the tools that we can use to fix things, but it's up to each individual human spirit to do those things.
and that is
talking about that
source note that is a form of escapism
in and of itself which is
you know in a sense
giving your agency away to this
messianic figure of
Satoshi or Bitcoin right
this sort of ethereal force
actually no pun intended there I promise
this sort of otherworldly force of
Bitcoin and saying
yes Bitcoin is here
I'm on a Bitcoin standard I'm saved
and that's not quite how it works you have to face your demons you have to do the work
right yeah exactly i mean uh over the last two or three weeks i've been diving deep into the
node debate that's going on and uh the conclusion i've reached is that we have just as much
politics going on inside bitcoin as there is outside of bitcoin and uh it's up to us
as a collective software community,
if you want to put it that way,
to figure out new ways to decentralize further
so that this isn't possible.
Yeah, that's a rabbit hole I've tried to avoid on the show.
First of all, there are enough shows
that are taking sides or not taking sides
or playing both sides, whatever it is.
And, you know, most of them doing it in good faith, thinking that their side or their position is the right one.
But I actually don't see much constructive value at this point to lean into that debate in any manner.
But let's actually talk about, you know, I was looking at the history of this podcast.
because it felt like when we talked about you coming back on the show,
I said, we've had him recently, haven't we?
And I look back, it was August 2024.
Can you believe that?
What?
It's been that long?
That's wild.
Isn't that crazy?
I feel like it was not that long.
I would have guessed maybe eight months if you had asked me off the cuff.
Yeah.
It's more like 16 months.
That's crazy.
I didn't know I was on Nostra that long.
people ask me how long I've been on and I actually don't know. I know that I have never had an X
account. I deleted my Twitter account when it was still called Twitter. So that gives me a general
idea of when I joined. And I love the name of this podcast, PlebChain, because I remember that was
early on. That's how I found everybody. I think I was still using astral.ninja or something to
find everybody that I was following on Twitter. And the PlebChain was the way that. And honestly,
i expected more bitcoiners to jump onto nostr i i've been continuously kind of surprised
by the amount of resistance in the bitcoin community to nostr because it seems to me
intuitively such such a great idea you know something i was waiting for for a long time
so yeah i'm glad you're keeping the pleb chain alive you know i'm that's on the on more bitcoiners
not joining NOSTA. It's something that mystifies
me, honestly,
because these two protocols are so
aligned, so complementary.
So you would think there'd be more
of that. I mean, some
of it could be
perhaps some misguided
technical
concerns about NOSTA
around relay centralization or that NOSTA
is actually a distraction from
Bitcoin and we should be focusing
on Bitcoin. I've heard those arguments.
you know yeah NOSTA
it doesn't work in theory
well it doesn't work in theory it works in practice
we're here
and we're using it
but I'm sorry
to say Sosno there is also an element
of
a lot of these big earners who don't want
to come to NOSTA is because they don't want to give up
the influence that they've
built for themselves on X
and that is
in other words they are
fiat wolves in sheep's clothing.
Yeah, I guess it's kind of,
it's like the golden handcuffs, right?
You don't want to leave your corporate job
because you can't find the same quality of life anywhere else,
even if you've sold your soul.
Yeah.
But yeah, it's been a year and a half, man.
It's quite, that's quite something since the last trip.
Because even to me, it felt fairly recent,
our last conversation.
I remember we were talking about mattresses.
You were looking for mattresses.
And I sent you a video right before the podcast about, I think it was Max DeMarco who made a video about sleeping on the floor.
And you'd given it a try, hadn't you?
I did give it a try.
And then I gave it a try and I posted a picture and people said that Max was trolling me.
But then I contacted Max and he's like, no, I'm not trolling you.
I really do this.
But I should check in with him and see if he's still sleeping on the floor.
That would be interesting to know if you stuck with it.
You know, I get occasional lower back pain.
And I tried the theory of sleeping on the floor.
It didn't work.
It didn't really work out.
I mean, it wasn't better or worse.
It just lying down isn't great when you have lower back pain.
It just traps your back in that position.
But I will say one thing that does make a difference,
which is soft mattresses versus hard mattresses. Hard mattresses are a game changer. And I honestly
think the entire mattress industry is a scam selling you all of these different levels of,
you know, whatever it is they say, they try and upsell you on.
Yeah, I've got a pretty firm mattress. I don't know where I would rank it, but
I don't have much back pain now because I'm not as stressed. I think that was a big,
the big piece for me, I read this book called the mind body prescription by John Sarno. And because
I'd had this chronic back pain, I couldn't fix it. And I tried different mattresses. I tried all
kinds of different wacky medical attempts. And it turned out it was just a internalized anger
that was causing my back pain. That was the case for me. I mean, different people have different,
different setups, but I think you're right. There there's definitely, I mean, we live in an economy
that's mostly predicated on upselling things that people don't need.
So it would make sense that mattresses were the same way.
Yeah but on your point about lower back pain being a symptom of some sort of in your case it was stress or anger but for others it could be some other negative type emotion that manifesting in the form of back
pain. I mean, you know, I was reading, I think it could be Joe Dispenza who talks about this.
Maybe I'm getting the exact person wrong, but back pain is a somatic expression of
of the feeling of carrying a burden right it's like when you feel burdened by things in life
um too much responsibility whatever it is it does manifest uh as back pain so
interesting how joe talk about it people are becoming much more aware of the link between
their physical health their emotional health their mental health and right back to what we
were talking about earlier this is why i'm only on nostre because i remember what my nervous system
felt like on the day to day using X all the time.
It was like I was constantly in fight or flight.
I, and I don't actually know why.
I don't know if it was the algorithm, if it was the culture of the site.
But it doesn't really matter because I know what it's like over there and it's still like
that.
So, uh, and every Bitcoiner that I talked to, cause I do see a lot of Bitcoiners in person.
I tell them, Hey, I'm not on Nostra.
Do you think I'm missing anything?
And not a single one of them has tried to convince me to come back to X.
they've all told me that they wish they could do what i'm doing
why didn't you do it it's not that hard well some of them run businesses and in that case like i
could understand but uh yeah many of them i think are just addicted to the to the roller coaster
yeah i you know and i try to uh keep my you know i've i have done i've done quite a bit of inner
work on myself speaking of fixing yourself to before you even think about fixing the money and
fixing the world yeah um and it's an ongoing process by no means a completed project uh one of
that uh one of the aspects of that inner work was a recognition that something like a twitter feed
the just the non-stop negativity the rage bait and so on um or being plugged into mainstream news
whereas it really what is it it's all about war whether it's outside war internal civil war or
someone fighting about something you know transgender this that uh i tend to internalize
those things and it has a very significant impact on to start with my mood but then that manifests
in my ability to actually do stuff,
my productivity later on.
And one of the unfortunate traps
I fell into just this week,
speaking of this inner work
being a nonstop ongoing process
for a lifetime,
I plugged into the war that broke out.
I was like, I need to find out
what the hell's going on.
Partly because we were,
my family and I,
we were transiting through Dubai
just a week ago,
just maybe five days before this nonsense began.
Wow.
And we'd spent some time there.
And it was just, it was almost like this morbid curiosity saying,
oh my God, we just survived.
The bomb hit the airport or whatever, the shrapnel or whatever it was,
hit the airport.
We were there like four or five days ago.
We were by that, you know, we had about a 12-hour break in Dubai during our transit.
So we went through the city.
We went to that Palm Jumeirah.
where one of the hotels was hit.
So out of this sort of morbid fascination,
I kept plugging into the war just to see what was happening.
And I did that for two days,
and I just found myself getting angry and upset,
snapping at people.
It's not good, man.
Talking about escapism, it's not good.
Yeah, I definitely do find it interesting.
There's many things about it that I think are important,
And I do care about other people and history and all these things.
But at the same time, I do monitor my attachment to outcomes, right?
It's like I can see all the information, but it's when I suddenly get this idea that I know what needs to happen next.
That's when I start or rather I don't want something to affect me negatively.
One of those two things.
That's when I can get out of whack personally.
and uh yeah in general if i want to avoid um falling into those traps then i just don't
take in that much information like i know it's happening if something's important i will know
about it and and that's enough i don't need to think about it all day every day i have plenty
of things to work on yeah for sure all right so let's talk about what you've been up to since
last time you were on the show? What was the, I guess, the second half of 2024 and the whole of
2025 like for you? Wow. Okay. So yeah, I moved to Austin, Texas to help Tor Demeester start a
podcast, which was really fun. We built a studio. We got a few episodes in the can. It was really
great getting to know the Austin Bitcoin scene. But then Tor and I both basically realized that
podcasting is show business and we didn't want to be in show business. And also on top of that,
uh, if you want to be successful with a podcast in, in other words, to make any, uh, income off
of it, you need to bend to the algorithms. And so that was requiring, you know, clickbaity
titles and cringe soy boy thumbnails. And, uh, so yeah, neither of us really felt great about that.
And, uh, then at the end of my lease, I decided to move back to where I was living before. So
I've been across the country and back and now I'm back on the East coast and, um, yeah, I don't know.
Life is, is good. I'm writing a book. So that, that idea came to me when I was in Austin.
and I'm probably two-thirds of the way through it, I would say,
but it's kind of writing itself slowly.
And beyond that, I started working with a Bitcoin consulting company
called Sovereign, and we helped to educate and onboard.
Shout out Brandon Carpelli.
Yes.
Played the piano.
Yes, great guy.
Thank you.
Yeah, he is a great guy.
um yeah he uh he met me in nashville i'd done a panel there with some guys and when he found out
that i had a sales background he invited me onto the team so now i'm working with sovereign and
we're helping to teach businesses about bitcoin um yeah so lots of lots of little developments
that kind of culminate into me basically living exactly the life that i set out to live five years
ago, which is nice.
That's great, man.
So we'll get into your book and maybe what you're seeing with Sovereign.
But before that, I just want to go back to what you said about the podcasting industry.
You're absolutely right.
If you want to make money, make any kind of a living off podcasting, you cannot do, and
if you're a semi-sentient, semi-intelligent individual who wants to talk about, you know,
intelligent topics you actually can't do that right you you have to cater to uh clickbait and
and all of that nonsense and it's there's no way you can make money if you just get up and start
talking about philosophy and uh um and you know all all the topics that uh you're interested in
which is why this podcast doesn't make any money it's something i've not compromised on um which is
You know, look, it's value for value and people who appreciate it do send the value back.
And I do appreciate that.
I am grateful for that.
But I've, you know, avoided sponsors for that very reason.
You know, it's just too much.
It's too much of an undertaking if you're trying to do something you actually enjoy.
yeah um yeah we never got to the point where we were actually taking on sponsors i didn't do
sponsors on my lecture series i don't have any ads on it i really like the idea of bitcoin as
basically a common stock in humanity right and so if we're holding that common stock and we do
things that are good for humanity then the roi is in the collective benefit that we all get
from it and and that is where i focus my time and energy now because it feels much more aligned to
my values um and and engaging in advertising uh if it was a product that i cared about or that i
used or something that i might consider it but otherwise i i stay away from it personally so
and and you're doing the same thing yeah and that's not to say that every single sponsor out
there is, you know, demands, you know, certain numbers and so on, right? I think there are,
I have heard from other podcasters who take on, you know, Bitcoin only sponsors, and they largely
have a free reign to do it. The sponsors come in because they know that the show is aligned with
their values, and you know, the show's uncompromising in its principles, and they like that.
And, you know, we're not talking millions of dollars here, right? We're talking about a couple
a thousand bucks a month.
You're not making millions of dollars doing this?
That's weird.
Once we have sat,
sent,
or dollar sat parity,
maybe,
on my zaps,
on my zaps and boosts,
that's where we would be.
But no.
So,
obviously there are sponsors
who are principled
and don't expect
any kind of compromises.
from the podcasters.
But those are few and far between, I'd say.
Right, right.
So the book, you touched upon it a little bit.
Maybe you're going to talk about fixing the money.
Fixing the money doesn't automatically fix the world.
But talk about the general premise.
Do you have a working title?
I do have a working title.
I haven't announced it on a podcast yet.
I've told a couple of close friends about it, but I'm waiting. I'm waiting to, to release the title
because I feel like it needs to come out with the book. That's, that's the way that the title
feels at the moment. And it'll make sense when you see it. But yeah, so I, I'm coming at the topic
of, well, I'm coming at Bitcoin and life in general through the lens of integral theory,
which is a term coined by Ken Wilber.
He's kind of a psychologist, philosopher, spiritual Buddhist guy.
Interesting dude.
Wacky dude.
Not somebody that I necessarily look up to, but I did learn a lot from him.
And I think that his theory, integral theory, has a lot of value to share with the Bitcoin space.
And so I'm like weaving, I'm weaving integral theory in.
Then I'm talking about ethics.
And then that's the second chapter.
First chapter is integral theory.
Second chapter is ethics.
Third chapter is about hyper Bitcoinization on a personal level.
And the fourth chapter is kind of about where that could go.
Because at a certain point, collecting money to pass on to your children isn't the highest goal of humanity, right?
There are things that we could do right now in this moment to make the world a better place.
and giving your children money does not necessarily make their lives better.
So what can we focus on to really build capital in a more holistic sense for the future?
Building farms, creating community that supports people,
creating child care and elder care and hospice solutions that are more...
focused on the human element and less about making money, creating business models that are local,
that are not about expanding, but rather about creating quality products. You know,
these are the kind of ideas that I'm that I'm working with at the moment. And just to
solidify that vision into my own head. So the the process of writing the book, in part is
manifesting for myself the next goal, right? Because I said, if I if I look back five years
ago, I've achieved all my goals. So now what I'm doing is I'm clarifying my goals as best as I
possibly can in this book, while simultaneously sharing those goals with other people that might
want to coordinate in reaching those goals So that really the purpose of the book but it just a meme I mean all books are memes you know You know I want to talk about the topic of personal
oh, hyper-bitconization at a personal level, because this is a really important one.
And I think there are bitconers who get caught up in HODL culture and generational wealth.
Those are memes too, right?
Sure.
And I think there's a danger that those terms are so broad that they can lose their original meaning and sort of transition into a weird kind of dogma.
And so you talked about passing on wealth to your children.
Is that always a good thing?
And in my mind, right, it's sure you can work yourself to the bone in a fiat job.
scrape your excess, you know, live well within your means, forego vacations, outings with your
kids and so on and so forth. And then whatever excess sats you have, you sort of put them in
Bitcoin, right? Keep hodling and saying, you know, when my kid turns 30 or 40, pick a number, right?
then this one Bitcoin I've scraped together with my blood, sweat, and tears
is going to be enough to set them free for life.
And while that might be true,
I think a bigger question is,
like, you're here on this planet right now.
You have kids.
What kind of a life do you want to live as a parent,
as someone who has a relationship,
with your children? Do you want them to remember you as the dad who was working nonstop and
scraping away money? And then when they finally inherited it, he was dead because he worked
himself to the bone? Or do you want to be remembered, not even remembered, do you just
want to live that life in the moment, being there for your children, maybe going on that
that occasional vacation, all that outing, right?
And maybe spending some of your stack while you're doing it.
And I think that that's, to me, it's a no-brainer.
I'd rather be a good father, right, who's present.
Yeah, yeah.
As opposed to a dead father who's left my child, whatever, one Bitcoin.
That's worth 10 million when he turns 40.
Yeah, there are many different things that we pass on to the next generation.
One of them is is money. Another one might be property. Another one might be skills and knowledge. Another one might be emotional imprinting slash trauma, you know, so looking at the broad picture of our impact on the next generation, I think is easier when we're not scrambling for survival. Right.
and um of course i don't think there's anything wrong with inheritance i think inheritance is good
um and it's funny i was just listening to an audiobook by carnegie i forget his first name
the the famous steel magnate carnegie and um uh i think dale carnegie is the one who wrote
andrew there you go i think so yeah dale's the one who wrote how to influence people or something
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, yeah. Carnegie wrote this book that was like weirdly socialist and my girlfriend and I were talking to her, we're listening to it. She might be listening right now. I sent her a link. So anyway, shout out to girlfriend. Um, I was kind of disappointed in Carnegie cause he was sounding very socialist, but now I just heard myself speak essentially the same sentiment of don't look at the same.
leave your money in an endowment, try to utilize it because you're the one who accumulated that
capital. Try to utilize it effectively in your lifetime. Um, I think he was arguing against
passing it on to kids though. So it was, uh, it was, yeah, it was a different kind of argument,
but is that a socialist sentiment though? Uh, what was he saying? Um, he said, there's three
options you can pass it on to your kids like a monarch you can give it to the state oh no he was
he was arguing that the state should increase the um inheritance tax that was his argument he said
that's socialist yeah those people who are passing their generational wealth down from from family
member to family member they should be punished by the state through taxes that's what he was arguing
and i totally fundamentally disagree with that oh yeah it's not a good solution but i i do
understand the sentiment about allocating capital yourself rather than trying to leave it to an
endowment or something i get that yeah it makes complete sense and you know you talked about
the things the productive things you could do with your capital right i'll
really taking matters into your own hands to some extent um you're talking about uh farming and
some of the other things i would add art to the list as well because art has uh an incredible
ability to inspire people to do amazing things right so in there's a first order effect which is
you look at it as beautiful and that's that's great right assuming that this is we're not talking
about, you know, this late stage fiat modernist art. But, you know, classical or maybe what I
like to call postmodern, which is sort of this, if you follow the Hegelian arc, there was classicalism,
then there was modernism, which we're kind of in the late stage of now. And then the synthesis is
going to be actual post-modernism uh that's my coinage by the way which is you know you strip
away the dogma that classicalism had but you respect that pursuit of beauty um and um and
you know you have this beautiful confluence beautiful synthesis um so let's so i think art
if it's if it's along those lines has this ability to inspire the first order of fact being just
the appreciation of something beautiful but the second order effect being that appreciation has
led to inspiration which then you know allows people to do more productive and constructive
things yeah i i actually that's uh that's brilliant i don't think about it very much but
if there's any addiction i have beyond stacking sats it's uh collecting art there's there's
certain pieces of artwork that I really, really love. And I, and my house is full of art and I
don't regret buying any of it. I don't think about the trade-offs because I love having it. And I
know it's a unique piece. It's a real NFT. And it doesn't inspire me. I like being around beauty,
of course. So like right now I'm looking at this, this 3d printed Shrectopus, which inspired me to
learn how to use cad so that i could i can make its legs all the same length
nice so what kind of art do you have you collected recently most of the art that i have is somewhere
between in um rather like pre-traditional
uh ornamental art so let's say like aboriginal dot art or um i really like
tibetan mandalas i really like stuff that
looks almost psychedelic but it's not over the top psyche psychedelic 60s looking you know what i
mean it's like it's got some class and some structure to it but it is kind of a window into
the other side if that makes sense kind of like my looking profile picture i was gonna ask it's
just gonna go there i was looking at your profile pic and and it seems it does appear like a mandala
yeah it's actually a church window i think the photographer took a two took two mirrors
and their camera and took a picture between the two mirrors to make that shape.
But it's made from a stained glass window in a church somewhere.
Actually, on that point, on church windows,
and just in general some of these more ancient monuments five, six hundred years ago, right?
And you see these incredible geometric patterns
whether it's in the sculptures themselves, the architecture itself,
or the stained glass windows, right, like your profile pic.
And it just makes you wonder, how was it possible without modern precise instruments
that these civilizations, 500, maybe even 1,000 years ago in some cases,
were able to create these incredibly intricate geometric shapes.
Is that something you've looked into?
Because I know there are people with some interesting theories
about how all of that came about.
You know, I hadn't thought too much about the means by which they did that.
I do know that if you look at like a mosque,
a really old mosque in Iran or a really old church in Boston,
you're going to see similarly kind of psychedelic patterns on, on both of those structures.
And I find them absolutely beautiful. It's also in all the fiat money. I don't know if you've
looked at fiat money from all over the world, but they all have these kinds of sacred geometry
structures in them. I have a friend, um, in Ireland, who's very, very into sacred geometry.
he would probably be the person I would go to to ask right away.
If you ask me that question, how did they do this?
You know, did they do it through Pythagorean mathematics?
Were they just basically closer to the veil?
And so they're tripping all the time and they didn't need to draw lines.
They just could see the patterns.
I don't know.
You know, yeah.
Yeah, there are some interesting theories about it.
I mean, I haven't really gone down that rabbit hole.
But, you know, talk about these ancient civilizations possessing tools and processes that for whatever reason have been suppressed over the last few hundred years by the powers that be.
I'm trying to remember what, there's a, it's slipping my mind right now, but there's a name for those, there's a name for that civilization.
and the technology itself.
I mean, all complete speculation, right?
And some would even call it conspiracy theories.
I don't know if it's a conspiracy theory,
but it's interesting stuff,
interesting stuff to ponder, that's for sure.
Yeah, I think it communicates value
in a way that we,
on a very deep intuitive level,
we understand it.
when you see a very intricate ornamented carving on a wall,
there's something more valuable.
Maybe it's the proof of work that we see in it,
but it's more than that.
It's also the beauty of the curves and mimicking nature
and even adding on top of it in a way that can be preserved over time.
Yeah, it's amazing.
I'd love to see more of that.
In fact, I think that when children doodle in class, for example,
it's basically like that urge kind of like pouring out of them
while we're instead forcing them to learn things they don't need to know
oh yeah and probably they get their wrists smacked for why i don't know
they do that literally these days but essentially told not to do it all right
right yeah it's a shame yeah it is a shame uh you know you were talking
you touched upon the
node debate, the coordinates debate
that you sort of were looking into
we don't have to get into the debate
itself. Yeah, I understand
we don't need to get into it
we're only going to talk about it from a high
level. Yeah, yeah
yeah, and that's kind of where I want to go
which is
I think one of the things you
we were chatting about offline is
you're thinking about how
Bitcoiners choose to
treat each other on the internet, right? And then ultimately how that ends up impacting the protocol.
And it appears that's something you've put some thought into. Yeah, yeah. I really like
Marshall Rosenberg's work on nonviolent communication. I know that the term nonviolent
communication grates against people sometimes. And I was saying to somebody recently, it could
just as easily be called cut the bullshit communication And it would mean the same thing It basically a way to get to the heart of the issue rather than talking around beating around the bush hurling accusations all of this
And so that's one avenue. And then the other avenue would be going down the philosophical route
and looking at a discussion from the perspective of logic in an argument. And right now, I would
love to see more of either, but I'm not seeing, I'm not seeing either one in, in most conversations
that are happening around that topic. It's, um, it's a lot of ad hominem, meaning personal attacks
against one's character, uh, rather than making an actual argument. And the meme that has, has
been in my head about this is kind of like the, the two dogs barking at each other through a fence
that's Bitcoiners on the internet, largely on X. And then when the fence opens and they just stand
there, that's Bitcoiners in person. And that has been my experience most of the time. Um, I honestly,
I think the reason for this is because number one, there's a lot of people who are very passionate
about this and rightly so it's maybe the most important thing that's happening on the planet
right now. And there's a small minority of humans that understand that and are working on it. Um,
And then number two, I think that a lot of Bitcoiners are more sensitive maybe than they realize to being told what to do.
Bitcoiners, people in general, I don't think like being told what to do, and especially Bitcoiners.
And then also, I think there's a there's a I mean, I think I know there's a paranoia streak that drives through the Bitcoin community.
And I think it's a good thing. I think that it's there's a balance to be had between being completely naive and allowing things to just fall where they are and then constantly being on alert that everybody's out to get you. Right. Because both sides can have their own level of neuroticism. And so these are the different elements I'm looking at. And I'm watching these tendencies in myself and I'm watching these tendencies in others.
And I'm like, oh, OK, maybe if we could facilitate more directive, productive conversations, we could cut through a lot of this without half the amount of drama.
You know, that's that's what I'm thinking right now.
And at the same time, I'm thinking that completely on my own and not forcing that opinion on anybody else, because that's fundamentally against what I'm after.
Yeah.
Yeah. And you know, just on a related note, this is a thought that, you know, I've been noodling over for a while now, which is, especially on the internet, people speak with incredible conviction and certainty about their side of the debate.
I mean, and I wonder if they are actually like that in real life or maybe they temper their certainty a little bit in real life.
Maybe not.
But it's – and this is another reason why I don't jump headlong into not just this debate but other sort of –
All the debates where there's, you know, you have two sides who, when you distill down the arguments that there is validity to both sides at some level.
And then it's just a matter of finding which one works.
But if you show someone three, let's say you show them three points on a graph, right?
And they're able to draw a straight line through it.
and and they're going to be like you know what that's it there's this is a straight line it is
y equals mx plus b it's a mathematical representation of it there is absolutely
nothing more to it than that and anyone who says uh otherwise is a heretic and at one level
that is right now it's you know throw in a fourth point that falls on on that same line and they're
going to say that pattern is going to be locked into their mind saying look every point i see
is on this line y equals mx plus b it is a straight line period end of story again from that
perspective the pattern recognition that they've done is completely valid but there are also
possibly limits to their cognition what they're perceiving as a two-dimensional surface and these
things as points and the line that's connecting them could actually be an n-dimensional surface
which they are they're not able to perceive any dimensions above one and two right and what they're
actually looking at is a hyperplane that just happens to create a straight line in the in the
two-dimensional plane but over multi-dimensions it's something completely different and that's
kind of i the you know that sort of broad thinking idea is what gives me pause before i dive headlong
into it which is what are the limits of my cognition yes i'm able to see a pattern and
and everything i've learned deductive reasoning what a praxeology whatever you want to call it
is screaming at me that this is this is it but i also acknowledge that my cognition has
limitations and maybe i'm not able to perceive the higher dimensions in this thing so maybe it
could be something else right yeah i think uh remaining open to the possibility that i'm missing
information is like a first principle for me because i know i don't know everything
in fact i know very little um but yeah a lot of people do come at discussions in general
with a lot of certainty and i'm not sure if it's connected but so does the ai when i talk to
an LLM, it will often give you an answer with a lot of certainty and it's often wrong. So, uh,
it could be that people are just copy pasting stuff from their LLM. I have no idea. Um, I don't
know what's going on, but I think that humility is very important. I think that knowing that we don't
know the answers is very important. And also I think faith is very important and knowing that
there, there is an awareness, whatever you want to call it, there's an awareness that's greater
than us that can see everything that's going on that, that we have no idea.
We can't even comprehend that awareness.
And, um, I, I remind myself of that constantly as I'm navigating these difficult conversations
and people are screaming at me for both sides and I'm irritating them.
And I'm like, well, I know like zooming out a bit, I know that this emotional experience
that people are having is exactly what they need.
and it's going to resolve itself in whatever way needs to happen.
But I think also that if every Bitcoiner gets into a position
where they're super arrogant and they think they're right about everything,
it's not going to turn out well.
It's just not a recipe for success.
So let's, there's a related thread to this,
which is, so you have the Dunning, in some sense,
that's what we're talking about,
a variant of the Dunning-Kruger effect, right?
Where people are, they don't actually know what they don't know,
but because they don't know, they think they know everything.
And that's a problem because it just leads to
not particularly constructive conversations.
But then there's the reverse of the Dunning-Kruger effect,
which is, I guess, some form of imposter syndrome, if you will,
which is, because again, the scenario I described to you, right, where I pause because the first
thought is, well, I'm looking at a two-dimensional space, maybe what if I'm not able to perceive the
other end dimensions that are out there, right? And that can lead, it can lead to a form of
paralysis, which is, well, what is the point? What is the point of taking a stand on anything?
I don't know anything anyway. What are your thoughts on that?
well the way that i tend to look at that is i have a flow chart i'm putting in my book and it's
basically this okay everything that exists is right now in the present moment there are from
based on my value system there are um things that are there are outcomes that are more favorable
than others what can i do in this moment what do i have control over that can move me towards a
more favorable outcome, something that I know is favorable, right? Like less suffering on the
planet. Okay. What can I do in this exact moment to move me closer to that outcome? And that's
basically how I plan every day now. I just, that's every moment of every day, unless I get distracted,
you know, sometimes I get in my head or, uh, things aren't going great that day, but when I'm
present, that's what I'm doing. Um, every moment that's happening, I'm minimizing nonsense and
adding value as much as possible. So, um, it, it really does when you stick to the present moment,
uh, limit the options to the point where I, I don't get paralyzed.
Yeah, that is a, probably the wisest approach because I mean, the future doesn't really exist
and the past is gone.
All you have is the present.
And you can actually shape the future
by being present in the present.
Yeah.
And you can shape it more favorably.
Yeah.
And sometimes people really want you
out of your present moment.
You know, I'll get contacted by somebody
who just really wants me to pick a side on something.
And I say, no, no, I'm not.
I'm not engaging in that, you know.
what are you some kind of wuss come on man they'll accuse me of being too an agreeable wuss and i'm
like well right now i'm disagreeing with you so is that agreeable or you know so what's what's
happening i'm not necessarily disagreeing with you i'm just refusing to play that game that tribal
yeah i'm jumping into a camp because somebody that i respect said something game you've got
hey you got to pick a side man you are are you with us or are you with the terrorists come on
oh man yeah exactly that i had that conversation with somebody this week who uh yeah
it's it's entertaining at this point it doesn't irritate me anymore it's just
because i see myself in it you know and i and i get it
isn't it interesting that once you've if you're again a semi-sentient
being who's with, you know,
possible cognitive skills
and you've sort of been on the planet long enough
to start noticing these patterns.
All it takes to get peace
or as you said, you know,
take a step that would be more beneficial
is to notice the pattern.
You see, you just notice it.
Oh, I see what's happening.
And that's enough.
A lot of people noticing a lot these days, yeah.
the noticing is happening and I, and I like it. Um, yeah. And once we'll noticing the pattern,
I don't think it's quite enough necessarily. You have to notice the pattern underneath the pattern
and then just keeps going infinitely. It's patterns all the way down, uh, like a fractal
universe. But the, the number one pattern and the one that I bring myself back to all the time
is that my emotional attachment to things is what creates them. Uh, whether that's good or bad,
and so i really focus on what am i focusing on you know um and i don't always do a good job like
i think yesterday i played resident evil for four hours um probably not the best thing for me to
focus on but i'm still you know i'm imperfect and i allow myself to have fun here and there
or escape here and there when i want
yeah a lot of noticing going on indeed um but maybe i don't know if but you're right i think
you have to notice the noticing and then notice no yeah yeah noticing the noticing in myself
and noticing that the more i notice the more other people notice
and just following the noticing deeper deeper internally get until you get to the source node
right right exactly i mean i i was i was laying awake at night trying to think of what my nym was
going to be and i was like well what am i and uh what what what am i that's that's not about me at
all you know source node that's what we all are so yeah it's just uh it's just two words that
you know encapsulate my understanding of humanity yeah all right so source node let's shift the
atmosphere just for a moment. We're kind of approaching the one hour mark and it's time
for our Valley for Valley music segment. This next track is called Paper Bird and it's by a musician
called Justin Lantrip, I believe from Idaho. And when I first listened to it, I immediately got
some strong Jeff Buckley vibes. The vocal delivery has that soaring emotional depth that completely
commands your attention. Just...
like Jeff Buckley. So sit back and let this one take over.
Oh, my thoughts wander past
Oh, them snakes in the grass
And when this is my man
Maybe Abe will make a cave
I'll just know that I am
As much beast as man
And I can climb my teeth
Throw emotions to the breeze
Before they get ahead of me
I try and I'll split my wings
If I were a paper bird
I'd write these words inside
Falls in my chest
Catch the wind
If I do fast
You can hold me in your hands
Feed me letters, love and hand
I will eat them one by one
Singing back to you, darling
I say in that taste
I have much to extirate
And I don't speak true as I can
How will I know work to defend?
Make you take a timber in time
And sprinkle salt on your mind
Don't ask why
You see how deep I can die
Power paper bird
I write these words
Inside the folds of my chest
Cast the wind and fire you fast
Yeah, yeah, yeah
guitar solo
Oh, I want it to change. So I call out to me. How much longer must I wait?
Look I crawl in
A little thin
So pretty on high
See you swing your legs
All proof I need
I call your name
Cause I feel afraid
No, I want it to change
So I call out to pray
How much longer must I wait?
support incredible independent art on the network source note have you heard justin
landtrip before i had not but i really enjoyed that it was good music to feed and pet my dogs
too during the break yeah did you uh i don't know if you got that jeff buckley vibe with the
vocals obviously jeff buckley has an incredible range uh but for me something about the vocal
quality evoke that truthfully i don't know who jeff buckley is but i do need to get on wave lake
and hear more of the value for value artists i think um yeah thanks for inspiring me to check
that out no there's there's quite a bit happening now and there's some really good talent out there
wave lake is a great place fountain uh the you know the once upon a time just a podcasting app
is now pushing very hard into the Valley for Valley music space.
The good news is it's mostly interoperable across Fountain, Wave Lake.
There are several others as well.
And now people are vibe coding these things.
So it's kind of cool.
And if you like a musician, you support them with Bitcoin, man.
That's fantastic.
Yeah, I'm definitely going to dive down the rabbit hole there.
Cool.
All right, so let's get back.
Actually, let's talk about something else.
we connected about offline a few days back.
And you're talking about the idea of,
is Bitcoin truly immutable
or is it only as immutable as the market participants
who choose to run the software
and store their energy on the ledger is?
And I suspect this is also coming out
with some of the research
that you've been doing into the node debate.
You want to talk about that?
Yeah, yeah.
So what it comes down to for me is the matter of trust, right?
We refer to Bitcoin as a trustless currency.
But in reality, we have to trust people to use Bitcoin.
We need to...
Well, there are those among us who don't.
Jimmy Song comes to mind.
I mean, he wrote programming Bitcoin.
He knows how the code works.
He's not the only one.
But anybody who doesn't know how the code works, we do have to trust.
We trusting that the game theory is not going to allow the code to get corrupted But do we really know Do we really know what the code says what it does who involved in funding it and writing it and all these things I don And I don think anybody really does fully It not as decentralized and transparent as it could be And I don think that the outcome of this particular node battle is going to change that
um it's it's just the way it is in terms of uh node implementations and so
we what it comes down to and even let's assume that everything is decentralized right let's assume
that everybody's running their own unique vibe coded implementation of their node software which
actually could be a nightmare uh right now but in the future that could happen even then you're
still relying on humanity to remain rational enough to continue running Bitcoin and not to
mess it up. And so there is trust involved. And where that trust exists is in the rationality of
the individuals who choose Bitcoin. And I do put my trust in that. But I'm not sure that that many
other people would put it that way or say that they would also put their trust in that,
if that makes sense.
So you brought up the human element there, and that's an important one.
But maybe I'll make a broader point.
It could have been Der Gigi who wrote about this a few years back, that Bitcoin is not
actually trustless, right?
As we know, it's trust minimized and probably the most trust minimized of all of these protocols
that's out there.
Because, I mean, you're trusting a lot of things.
How do you know the hardware wallet you're using doesn't have some kind of backdoor in it?
How do you know the ASIC you're mining with doesn't have some issues there?
And so on and so forth.
But at some level, you're making a judgment there because you cannot verify every single thing by yourself.
It's just not possible.
No, there's a division of labor for a reason.
Carl Sagan famously said, if you want to make a cherry pie from scratch, you have to invent the universe first.
Right. That's right. So, I think that there is that overarching idea that Bitcoin is not actually fully trustless. It's trust minimized and probably of everything out there, the most trust minimized. Now, the question is, is that good enough? At least you and I have made that call and we've said yes for now.
So, yeah, I've said yes enough to put 99% of my net worth into the protocol and I don't have any plans of changing that.
So I would say I trust it that much and I trust it that much more than anything else.
Yeah.
so how did you your uh i guess your uh research or whatever you want to call it into the node
debate sort of inform um this idea right that did it impact that level of trust at all yeah i would
say it did because once I found myself in two telegram groups, one with core people and one
with knots people and talking to both of them, I realized we're all just people. Right. And I think
that, um, the, a lot of Bitcoiners, um, all across the spectrum from influencer to pleb, whatever
spectrum you want to imagine for yourself, the, uh, a lot of people kind of lose sight of that.
And they think this is an, uh, immutable thermodynamic law of nature, you know, and in
some ways it is, but actually it's not, it's a software program. It's an open source software
program that is being written and run by individuals with names and flesh and bones.
And I think there maybe is an argument for ossification.
And I and I enjoyed that conversation because, frankly, everything that Bitcoin needed to do for me was achieved five years ago.
And sometimes, you know, adding more paint to a painting, you ruin it.
And so it could be that it's time.
It's time for us to just focus on other things.
when you're a hammer everything looks like a nail and when you're a dev everything looks like a
technology problem um and and there are there are still bugs in the code that are coming up i think
in year 2100 or something there's a bug that needs to be fixed but beyond that um i'm more in favor of
just leaving things how they are so that's uh that's that's kind of where i've landed with it
and at the same time i haven't come across anything leaning one way or another that gives
me the impression that bitcoin is under actual threat and that anything fun is fundamentally
broken or going to break and so i'm not actually worried about anything um yeah yeah on the
technology side i'd agree with you i think there's a there is a risk at the social layer if you will
because ultimately
Bitcoin can be
what it is
but if
all of the operators or a large enough
number of the operators
and when I say operators it could be anyone
people who just transact in it
are
locked into a pattern
that
is
not beneficial
I guess we'll have to qualify what I mean
by not beneficial
I'll do that in a second.
So I'll give an example here.
With all this treasury company, ETF, and financial engineering
that's been going on for the last year, year and a half now, right?
A lot of the human layer, especially the new folks who've come into Bitcoin,
have almost been siphoned into this mindset that Bitcoin is just a,
you know just like any other asset uh and let's you know do do all these fancy things let's put it in
in these different special purpose vehicles slice and dice it create or financialize it
will financialize it as opposed to use it in its as you said what you referred to which is bitcoin
doing what you needed it to do which is being accepted as money right and it works it works
lightning does work
yes it can you know
you need some refinements and
those are coming but the base
layer itself works
as money so
I don't know if
this new human
or social layer of Bitcoin
that's pushing
more into financialization is the most
beneficial thing and if that becomes
the prevalent
largely prevalent way Bitcoin's being used.
I don't know if Bitcoin survives that.
Yeah I do worry about one of the three uses for money becoming too pervasive except for the means of accounting because that one I think is universally good But the fight is between means of exchange and store value And we need both in my opinion
we need both. And that's what Sovereign's focusing on. We're focusing on a lot of vendor adoption at
the moment. Well, there's other things, but I think it's important to be able to spend Bitcoin
and stack bitcoin and it's not an it's not an or it's uh it's both you know to me i think it's
really important for certain the currency needs to circulate if we just hold on to it and hoard it
that doesn't really help the ecosystem or the liquidity is interesting that you phrased it
that way that this being a sort of a tension between store value and medium exchange uh so
Because in your mind, the financialization of Bitcoin is a second order effect of it being a store of value?
Yeah, I think so.
Because that's people, if you think of it strictly as an asset, that's people that just want to hold on to it.
They don't think of it as a currency.
But at the same time, bigger picture, this financialization trend to me is a Trojan horse.
It's Bitcoin entering Wall Street.
It's people thinking they can play these financial games with Bitcoin.
And some of them probably can.
In fact, I think Saylor's doing a good job at what he's doing.
A lot of these other guys that came after him have been very disappointing.
Specifically, I'm thinking of Nakamoto right now, which maybe was just a blatant pump and dump.
I don't know.
I haven't looked into the details, but it doesn't look good on the price chart.
So where was I going with that?
Basically, yes, people that are financializing Bitcoin don't necessarily want it to be money.
They want it to operate underneath money and then for money to be a higher order above Bitcoin.
I don't think they're going to I don't think that particular way of viewing Bitcoin is going to age well.
I think a lot of people are going to start to see through it.
The bear market is a good opportunity for them to do that.
And volatility will be another good opportunity for them to do that.
And then, of course, all the other values that having self-custody Bitcoin gives you, like the ability to travel as you will and to not be KYC'd all the time and all these other things.
Yeah.
Yeah, might need a few of these big players to get actually completely wiped out.
probably
so let's talk about Sovereign
I had Brandon on the show
I can't remember now
7-8 months ago
maybe summer
sometime in the summer of last year
and you know he was
he'd taken it on just a few months earlier
the role of CEO there
and he was talking about
all the exciting things
that he had planned
And we've, you know, we connected off the just, you know, between the two of us a few times since then, just on progress and what's happening with Sovereign.
So where do things stand now with Sovereign?
What is the hit rate like with merchant adoption?
Where are you seeing more traction?
Has the bear market impacted that at all?
Yeah.
Yeah. So any Bitcoin business, I think, is affected by the price. People are not as excited
about Bitcoin when the price is flat. And then they're scared when it's going down and they
don't really get excited until it's going up. But so what I'm focused on personally, I mean,
I really can't speak strategy for the whole company, although we do have a really great
team of people that's all over the place. We've got people in Europe. We've got a lot of people
in the US. There is activity happening. What I'm doing personally is connecting with
meetup hubs and with Bitcoin businesses to let them know that we exist and what we do,
which is basically educating and onboarding businesses to Bitcoin, whether they want to do
means of exchange or store value. We also have other referral partners. We have somebody who
does taxes. We have somebody who's a financial advisor that's like a Bitcoin-focused financial
advisor. So the way I'm looking at it is basically a network where if you call us, we can get you in
touch with the right person. And if somebody calls them, they can get that person in touch
with the right person. Sovereign is one node in the Bitcoin ecosystem that I'm hoping is going to
be, if you look at it like a lightning channel, it's going to be a thick channel. It's going to
be a channel through which a lot of data and sats are flowing. And that would put us in a position
where we can educate businesses that are crypto or Bitcoin curious to help them save a lot of time
for themselves. In fact, that's what I'm focusing on currently is kind of catching these financial
institutions, if I can, that are setting up blockchain departments and just let them know
that they might not, they might spend a lot of time and money without getting much benefit from
that. And, and we can help educate them as to why and how to avoid that and how to strategize for
that, which would put them ahead of their competition, you know, um, who are, I know
most of the large financial institutions in the country all have blockchain departments now.
Are they still doing that? Because I was part of that world in 2016, 2017, when it was all the rage, blockchain, not Bitcoin. I thought the thing had died down by now.
Well, I think at the time, a lot of people thought they could create their own blockchain.
That has fizzled out largely.
But now what's going on is they're trying to figure out how to integrate the stock market into Ethereum or something.
They're trying to tokenize the stock market.
You can hear Larry Fink and all these guys talking about it.
And they all think it's a good idea because they want the stock market to run 24-7.
You know what?
I do too.
I think the free market needs to be 24-7.
However, you don't need a blockchain to do that, and you certainly don't need a shitcoin to do that.
So you can do it with TradFi, or you can do that with FinTech, and you don't need any of this crypto stuff.
It's not necessary.
Yeah, I know. I was about to launch into it. We could stay away from that.
The less said about tokenizing and blockchain stuff, the better.
So it sounds like then Sovereign has become a more general purpose consulting as opposed to like strictly merchant adoption. Is that correct?
Yeah, merchant adoption is only one area. I mean, I heard Jeff, he's our chief revenue officer. He was talking about an idea for helping a business implement basically a 401k type retirement plan that uses Bitcoin.
So you could basically educate your employees about why it good to stack sats help them stack sats help them retire as opposed to just throwing it into some mutual fund And I think there definitely a market for that I think that for employee retention
specifically, there's all kinds of programs that could be set up using Bitcoin. And those programs
would be attractive, I think, to high agency talent. I'd put it that way. People who are very
informed about AI and all these things are going to want Bitcoin. So yeah, I see a lot of
opportunities for all kinds of businesses, not just people who are public facing.
Great. So what else you got, SourceNode? We talked about your book. We had our philosophical
detail, which I appreciated. And then talked about Sovereign. Anything else on your plate?
well yeah uh i want to thank you for doing what you're doing because i think that you are putting
your values on clear display with club chain radio without the ads and uh i think it's great
and uh yeah i that's definitely like i'm feeling a lot of gratitude for you i'm glad to be here i
love these conversations no i appreciate you saying that source note uh you know it can get
a little disheartening every now and then,
where it feels like it's screaming into the void.
I mean, look, people listen, right?
The show's been running for three years now.
So, you know, built up enough of our audience
over the course of those three years or so.
But the numbers have dropped,
especially since December or November,
pretty much when the bear market set in,
when people realized it was a bear market,
the numbers of, so it can get disheartening. So hearing you say that does mean a lot. So I
appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So here's something I've been thinking about for my own
podcast, right? Because I have the Holotropic Renaissance lecture series. It's posted. I think
that the most listened to episode is probably somewhere around 500 listens, which is great for
me, it's nothing in comparison to a bigger channel or YouTube or anything. But what the way I've
thought about it is like, we get programmed to look for likes or shares or listeners or whatever.
If something that I create has a deep, meaningful impact on one human, and that human goes out into
the world and does something a little bit better because of something that I created, then it was
totally worth it. And I do know the bear market or the appearance of a bear market can be
disheartening. Personally, I am looking at the gold. I'm looking at Bitcoin priced in gold chart.
And I think we hit the bottom. So I could be wrong about that, but I'm super optimistic. And
even if that's not true, I'm still optimistic because I think that there are many things in
life right now that are looking very bleak. But if I just keep focusing on what's good and spending
time around people that are focusing on what's good, then things are going to get better. So
that's why I'm glad to chat with you, man. I think you do that really well.
Now, once again, appreciate you saying that. Appreciate you posting that note on Noster.
It did put a smile on my face because it was a happy line on a chart, a line that was sloping
upwards and to the right, which I like.
And a little bounce, a squiggly line bouncing off a line.
You know what I'm talking about.
Yeah, let's not get afraid of the lines, right?
Then maybe it's just a heuristic.
But there has been a general shaming around NGU
and people who celebrate NGU.
And I think that is a shame in itself
because NGU is just part of what makes Bitcoin successful.
And it's nothing to be ashamed of or run from.
I think that's our destiny.
So I would encourage people to embrace it.
Embrace the NGU indeed.
So thank you, SourceNode.
Appreciate you taking the time.
Appreciate this conversation and all the kind words that you said.
And thank you to our live stream audience for listening and for your zaps.
If you are listening to the recording, as always, notice what you didn't hear today.
You didn't hear me shilling a green powder made of industrial sludge.
And you didn't hear me selling pills for problems you don't actually have.
I don't do that here.
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This week, the EP chair and the final word belongs to Rev Hoddle, friend of the show, coming in with a typically thoughtful boost about last week's sermon on fixing yourself to fix the world.
Rev ratifies that sermon with this.
I agree completely that this idea of fix the money, fix the world has to begin from the individual.
Fix the money, fix the world is a meme, a nugget of cultural capital.
Fix the money, fix the world is simply an ideal, not a formula.
And by sharing this meme, fix the money, fix the world, it's a short, compact way of communicating that ideal.
It's a way for Bitcoiners to come into alignment culturally that Bitcoin will be used to the benefit of all.
Thank you for that comment and for your generosity, Rev. Indeed, Fix the Money, Fix the World is a nugget of cultural capital that can only realize its true mimetic potential in the hands of an individual who has fixed themselves.
and for those of you who want to shape the next show
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whether you want to ratify the sermon
as Rev just did
with your own story or rectify it
with the counterpoint
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until then
stay sovereign
Bye.