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The signal is here.

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This is Blood Chain Radio.

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All right, we are live.

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Welcome, gentle pioneers, to the Lightning Laced Airwaves.

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This is the first episode of 2026, episode 144 of Pleb Chain Radio.

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Today is Friday, the 2nd of January, and it is 12.15 p.m.

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on the East Coast of the United States

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at the time of recording.

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We have a fun one ahead of you.

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Noah Grumman and Lahav Cliffshark,

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I'm pretty sure that's his last name,

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my good friends from Scardust are here

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and looking forward to that conversation.

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Don't miss our Value for Value music segment

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coming up later in the show.

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90% of your boosts during the song

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will go directly to the artist.

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And all the more reason, folks,

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that if you are listening to the show

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on Apple or Spotify,

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switch over to the Fountain Podcasting app

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where you can earn some stats

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and support the value for value revolution

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while you listen.

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And while you're there,

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I would appreciate it

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if you hit that subscribe button.

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Your support goes a long way

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in keeping my mic warm

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and this podcast ad-free.

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This show is being streamed live from my self-hosted streaming server and because of the magic of NIP53, is available on any NOSTA client that supports streaming such as Amethyst, NOSTA, Fountain, Primal and NOSTA.

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If you've been listening to the show for a while, you probably noticed that the intro was different today.

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That is by design

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Over the last few weeks

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I realized that for too long

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This show has felt like we were broadcasting from a polite hotel lobby

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Safe, clean, comfortable

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But 2026 isn't about comfort

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It's about signal

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This year, Plep Chain Radio will evolve from a single show into a network

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First, I'm launching a new show under the Plep Chain Radio umbrella called Sunday Brunch on January the 11th.

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This is a weekly format where I invite a guest to be the DJ.

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They pick their favorite value-for-value tracks and we just hang out.

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We talk life, philosophy, and culture in the gaps between the music.

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It's the decompression chamber for your week.

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much like a conversation you would expect to have at brunch on a Sunday.

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Second, for the builders, I'm introducing a new show again under the Plep Chain Radio umbrella

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called Say What?

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A fortnightly technical deep dive dedicated exclusively to Web of Trust.

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Stay tuned for the first episode of that series.

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And finally, I'm opening the doors.

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You're going to hear new voices on this feed as I bring in guest hosts to take the mic.

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I'm building a decentralized signal, and that means more than just my voice.

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Of course, the regular Friday show will carry on, as always.

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Speaking of changing things up, last week I launched a new segment for the show, Your Dissenting Sats.

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This is where if you, the listener, disagrees with anything I say in the sermon, you let me hear it through a boost.

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If you think I'm naive or I missed a fatal flaw, boost in and attack the argument.

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The highest value counterpoints get airtime on the next episode.

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So let's hear last week's entries.

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That sermon was about how RSS and NOSTA are two complementary halves of a sovereign nervous system.

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The first one, Chad F. with 33,333 sats, who says,

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RSS will always be superior because it lets you do live concerts like this

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and then upload them to the feed so they live forever.

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The live concert here is SoBig January 9th at 7 Central

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And the URL is BoostBeach.live

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B-O-O-S-T-B-E-A-C-H dot live

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Chad F. understands your dissenting sats

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And how we're converting the boost segment into Fight Club

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Well played Chad

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And the second boost is from the Two Angry Cuts podcast with 2,222 sats, who says,

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It's very simple. Musicians require exposure by all means.

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Never decentralize oneself into oblivion and poverty.

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Use all the tools, and the tools require simplicity for larger scale usage.

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My two sats. Thank you for that boost.

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And for our sermon today, it is the architecture of awe.

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Welcome to 2026.

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The calendar has rolled over.

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The block height has sticked up as it always does.

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And we stand here once again at the foot of a mountain called the future.

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In the fiat world, this is the season of empty resolutions.

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Cheap promises made to be broken by February.

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It's a culture obsessed with the minimum viable product

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Fast food, fast fashion, fast content

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We are drowning in a sea of good enough

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We're told that efficiency is the highest virtue

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That if we could do it quicker, cheaper, and with less friction, you won

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So we flattened our architecture into glass boxes

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We flattened our money into digital entries on a central server

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We flattened our art into 15-second loops designed to be consumed while scrolling on a toilet.

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But the human spirit starves on a diet of efficiency.

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The cathedrals of Europe weren't built because they were efficient.

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The great symphonies weren't composed because they were the path of least resistance.

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They were done to manifest awe.

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Awe is expensive.

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Awe requires proof of work.

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It requires a low time preference, the willingness to plant trees whose shade you might never sit under, and lay foundations for towers you might not see finished.

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So let this be the rallying cry for this year then.

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Let 2026 be the year we reject the minimum viable and return to the maximum possible.

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Hope is not a passive emotion.

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Hope is not sitting around waiting for the world to get better.

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Hope is a construction project.

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It is the act of looking at the chaos, the noise, and the entropy of the world,

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and imposing a beautiful, undeniable order upon it.

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To create something lasting, whether it's a sovereign money, a censorship-resistant protocol,

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or a piece of art that moves the soul, you have to reject the shortcut.

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You have to be willing to weave a thousand threads of sound into a single harmony.

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You have to look at the raw, messy footage of reality and have the patience to cut and grade and refine until the truth shines through in 4K resolution.

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We're here to build the cathedral again, to make things that are heavy, intense, beautiful, things that command your attention rather than just stealing it.

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We're starting this year with high resolution.

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And to help us set that standard, we're joined by my good friends, two builders who embody that vision.

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Noah and Lahav, welcome back to Pleb Chain Radio.

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Hello.

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Hello. Good morning.

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It is good morning somewhere.

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Yes, on the lightning-laced airwaves, which is the best phrase.

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that's great so how was maybe we'll start with you know how was 2025 for you looking back

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a roller coaster for sure so a lot of uh fresh starts and

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uh evolution of uh a lot of my musical endeavors

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A lot of heartbreaks as well.

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So it was not boring, that's for sure.

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I think that sums it up, actually.

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Noah, you've returned from a massive tour just a couple of weeks back

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where you were playing in front of, what, 20,000, 30,000 people in the audience.

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How was that?

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It was one of the projects I call a fresh start

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because it was a first tour, hopefully, out of more to come.

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Nothing official has yet to be announced,

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but we all want this to continue.

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It's called The Legendary Orchestra,

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and it's a project by the band Sabaton,

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a power metal band from Sweden

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who's been around for, I think, around 25 years.

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like you say, 15, 20, 25,000 people per show, per evening.

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And they always come up with these grandiose ideas

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and give them life.

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And this was one of them.

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So they had this idea to start an orchestra.

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And the orchestra plays sabaton songs.

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And the orchestra has a choir.

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And it has three soloists.

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You have a folk musician, Patty Gertie.

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You have a violinist, Mia Asano.

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and you have me on lead vocals and conducting.

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And so we built this, you know, full Sabaton evening

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where you have the orchestra performing around 70 minutes,

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then a smooth transition into a big theater show with actors

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and, you know, costumes and all kinds of pyrotechnics and crazy stuff.

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And then it moves on to the Sabaton set where the choir from the orchestra and myself join in.

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And it's just a full three hours long evening, every single evening and all over Europe.

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Yeah, so definitely an adventure.

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And I just came back like a couple of weeks ago.

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Were you playing at these packed amphitheaters or theaters even on a daily basis?

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Almost, yeah

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That must have been exhausting

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So you kind of wire yourself

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to this touring mode, which I love.

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and I don't think you could play the music, right,

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because of rights, presumably.

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But the photos looked incredible.

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Thank you.

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Great. Well, congratulations on that.

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Lahav, how was your 2025?

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Wow. What a question. I haven't even thought about it. Well, between which war and which war? It's like the Bitcoin price, I think. It goes all over the place and then it just dies and plateaus.

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then you have a huge stupid thing that sets you back in life Yeah So we had three wars and one Bitcoin Film Fest And it seems like a decade ago really

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Getting into Nostra.

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Was it only this year?

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I mean, wow.

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I mean, last year.

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Last year.

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Yeah, wow.

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And I don't know, here we are.

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we're just continuing.

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We just need to file taxes for last year, I guess.

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And keep pioneering like we want to.

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You know, it was only last year that both of you

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and then Skardust, the band itself, joined Nostra.

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It was fresh from the epic music video for R.I.P.

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that you'd created.

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2025, I think.

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That was actually a year ago.

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No, it was January.

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January and then it came out in April? I don't remember.

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It came out in January.

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I'm almost certain, but let me

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double check.

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are already ready and they sit on the

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shelf for a few months.

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Did you know that you...

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January 28th.

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Wow. Well, time...

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2025.

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I think I said that last time we were on Plep Chain Radio.

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I don't remember time by time.

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It's only the Bitcoin price.

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So there's no dates.

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Block time and the price.

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Remember when it was...

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Well, if you remember time by Bitcoin price,

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we're back in late 2024 then.

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Yeah, memories, yeah.

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so how you know that that video came out in january i only saw it sometime in march

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i think and that was because uh our friend richard greaser featured it on his podcast

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or might have been sometime in february actually and then had both of you on that's how i found

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out about it and found out about scardust actually shout out to richard

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richard greaser he's a good man yes yes that is for sure yes i actually had the pleasure of

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meeting him in person um a few months back and uh he looks exactly like his profile pic and sounds

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like it too uh so you know what surprised me most about that video which i loved by the way so if

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anyone who's listening who hasn't seen that video,

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you can go to YouTube, type in Scardust, RIP,

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two separate words,

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and I'm pretty sure the video will be at the top there.

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And it tells the story, as you imagine it,

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of Satoshi Nakamoto's Last Days.

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And it's a brilliant song just by itself.

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And I think both the song and the video go very well together.

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But what really surprised me...

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Yeah, no.

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I said this when we had you on the show.

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When was it?

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Sometime in April of last year.

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Well, what has surprised me is that video and the song itself,

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they've not captured the Bitcoiner imagination

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as much as I expected it would.

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I mean, you know, we've had a few months to sort of sit on it

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and think about it and observe trends and so on.

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Why do you think that happened?

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It's funny, you know.

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I wanted to say when you said go watch it.

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I mean, we do know about quite a few high profile individuals who have seen the video and are aware of it, but no one seems to be talking about it or spreading it around, which I guess is to do with the not not everyone's cup of tea of type of music it is.

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But still, we do know that it has been watched by people.

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But yeah.

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Yeah, I was about to say when you said go watch it, disclaimer, this is our most extreme song out there.

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And Scardist has a pretty wide range of, how would you call that, colors.

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So we can go super pop ballad Disney Princess all the way to extreme songs like Rip, where you get time signature changes, key changes, extreme vocals like growls and screams and all kinds of technical shenanigans on all the instruments.

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And so we know that this is not everyone's cup of tea, but it kind of goes hand in hand with Bitcoin for us.

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So, yeah, this is why this and the lyrics, obviously, are why we picked this to be the Bitcoin video for now.

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Yeah, right.

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Yeah, so I'd say this might be the reason why it's not reached a wider audience, because I don't think there is a wide audience to this kind of music yet.

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And I'm emphasizing the word yet, because this is what they also said about Bohemian Rhapsody, right?

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Yes, like Richard said.

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too long it's too complicated there is too many parts um and look at it now right it's the the

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most legendary song in rock history or one of the top you know so this is why i emphasize the word

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yet so you're saying no the rip was the tree you planted whose shade you might never sit in

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sit on though um let's see you know but we have a lot more um ideas that you know new music that

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we're working on um and like i said scardist has many many different colors and a lot of

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like i said a lot of ideas so there is a lot to look forward to and you know maybe maybe some more

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Bitcoin or

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you know, Bitcoin inspired

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songs in the future

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Oh, I love that

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I just still want to get back to what you were saying about

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RIP. Maybe it's just because

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I've been listening to this style

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of music for so long that I'm

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I don't notice these things

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It didn't seem

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extreme to me

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But it's interesting that you think that could

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be the reason why

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why it wasn't shared

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more broadly amongst Bitcoiners

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because of the time signatures,

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because of the strange

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chord progressions or the non-standard

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chord progression and the growls

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and so on.

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Are you saying

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that Bitcoin is not metal?

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Oh, Bitcoin is definitely

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metal.

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What are the people doing then? This is not a metal mindset.

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I think they need some time.

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I'm like you

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I mean I heard

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Scarlet for the first time it sounded just regular

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normal I mean it was great

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nothing odd about it

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but yeah it took me a lot of time

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to get to the realization

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most people just find it

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jarring at first

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maybe you need to listen to it a few times

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at least if you're not into it

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and then you maybe start

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understanding it which is not very

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first-listen-oriented, I guess.

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Yeah.

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We did a little experiment a few days or weeks ago.

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I don't remember.

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But we asked the fans on some social media platforms,

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what was your gateway to Scardust?

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What was the first song who got you into Scardust?

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And most of them, or a big part of them,

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wrote some ballad.

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So they started out with like a more ear-friendly

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kind of wider audience kind of song.

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But then, you know, they built their way up

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to songs like Rip, for example.

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Yeah, it's certainly fascinating to me.

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I thought you were about to say

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the evolution of the Disney princess

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was the song that

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was the gateway for people

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for some yeah for some

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for sure

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oh wow I was actually joking

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yeah

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but for anybody who's

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a little rock oriented

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Arrowhead is the

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gateway

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and Lahav you said

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something about that

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So the song Arrowhead, which is on your Sands of Time album, correct, Noah?

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Yes.

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There's a beginning and I've heard it so many times now.

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And I'd never really thought about the opening sound in Arrowhead.

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And Lahav, you said that was crickets.

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That blew my mind.

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I said, wow.

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I've listened to this so many times.

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It never struck me that the song starts with crickets.

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I think it was a cricket simulation, but yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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not actual creepers supposed to give the vibe of a nighttime attack or something yeah

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nice well so you know in 2025 you also know you launched um through scardust right which

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fair to say that's your main band right you were touring with uh with sabaton and the legendary

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orchestra but scardust is your primary band correct it is yes uh you you released your

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third album is that correct yeah or third and a half depend depends on how you look at it because

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we also have a an ep so yeah third album third full album but fourth release

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and how was how is the reception for that one been yeah so uh the title of the album is souls

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and we released it in July.

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Not this year, no, 2025.

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I'm so used to saying this year.

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And so reactions have been great.

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There is a but though,

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because normally when a band releases an album,

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they tour to promote it.

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And then they get, you know, there is like, they build a hype around the release of the album.

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And we didn't really get to do that, unfortunately.

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So hopefully this will happen in 2026.

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Do you want to talk about why you couldn't tour?

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Well, it's been...

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You don't have to.

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Yeah, but we can. We can mention that, you know, it's been, it's okay. It's unpopular to be where we're from at the moment. We're from Israel and a lot of promoters and booking agents.

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it's just not

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it's just not financially

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it doesn't make sense financially

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for them to

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work with

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you know an Israeli band

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it doesn't matter what they

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feel about it

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it just matters whether they'll sell tickets or not

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or whether they will need to hire more

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security

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at their venues

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etc

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luckily

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or, you know, I don't know if luck has anything to do with it, actually,

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but things have started to get a bit better,

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or so I want to believe, at least.

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So we already have some touring plans for 26.

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So hopefully this was just a matter of a little hurdle that we can now...

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For us, it feels like another COVID.

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Yeah, or worse than COVID because we're the only ones who really suffered from it.

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But yeah.

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Same vibe.

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So you would have plans for tours and then at the last minute,

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the promoter would say we're actually canceling it.

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Was it that extreme?

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It was even worse.

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I mean, you just get cold shoulder everywhere and you, yeah.

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Yeah, well, I say the world kind of divided into two types of people.

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Those who just, you know, told to our faces,

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we cannot work with you right now because of the situation.

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And the other half were just cold shoulders

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and people who started ghosting us or just you know disappeared which is worse I think

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And I'd rather just, you know, hear the reason and then at least know what the problem is.

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but then for

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26 we

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realized that

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we have to

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just do it ourselves for now

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it's not easy but building

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a DIY kind of

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tour and

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it is coming up in Europe

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so stay tuned

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because it's going to be

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announced soon, this is an announcement

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of an announcement

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wait so when you say diy as you know maybe for my benefit uh noab because i i don't understand how

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band tours and all of that work right the machinery behind so are they typically some

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kind of promoters or fixers who take care of everything and when and so when you say diy

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you have to play the part of the promoter and fixer and all of that basically yeah yeah so i'm

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not an expert, but in most cases you have an agent, a booking agent, and they work with

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the promoters and the promoters work with the venues. So the band doesn't have to deal

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with any of these. They just basically show up. When you do a DIY tour, you need to have

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all these different hats yourself or, you know, your team has to at least. And then

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the problem is that a lot of the venues don't want to work with bands. They want to work with

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the promoter and the promoter wants to work with the booking agent. So that's why it's way more

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challenging, at least in Europe. I don't know how it is in the US actually, but I know in Israel,

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it's pretty easy, but in Europe, it's very challenging. So it sounds like a complicated

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network of intermediaries who have their own way of operating. Very fiat, no?

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Oh, extremely fiat. We can get to that.

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Well, let's get to it.

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Wow.

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Music industry fiat.

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Maybe I'll start with saying that, yeah, there are a lot of plans for 2026.

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If you asked about 2025 and we had no answers, I mean, everything built up to 26.

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Maybe it sounds familiar.

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Yeah.

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So there's also the U.S., Noah.

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First show in the U.S. for Scardust.

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First show in Prague Power U.S. in September.

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And when it sold out.

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Sorry, it sold out.

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is it really?

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oh yeah

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maybe we should try and get

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invited to stuff

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in the area

431
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for sure, so yeah we are

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actually, we are looking for more

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shows around the date

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yeah it's in

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Atlanta and I cannot

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wait

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so wait, if I show up

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in Atlanta in September

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for your show, I won't be able

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I'll get bounced off

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Avi, you'll be on the guest list.

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Come on.

443
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That's great.

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Well, congratulations on securing that US tour.

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And I don't know how many promoters or booking agents listen to this podcast.

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But if you are, there are any in the audience.

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Scardust is looking for more venues to play in the US when they're here in September.

448
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Definitely.

449
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Awesome.

450
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So Lahav, let's continue.

451
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Yes.

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Fiat.

453
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We had a conversation about this all day, actually.

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So, yes, thinking about,

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remember we were speaking about how expensive it is here where we live.

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Yeah.

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So it's even worse here than anywhere else, I think.

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Probably the most expensive country right now.

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And people here have to make ends meet, right?

460
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So doing music, trying to make a living off of music in this fiat environment is first of all crazy because you're stuck in the fiat environment.

461
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And the second reason is you have to participate in all this fiat nonsense industry.

462
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So you get stuck in this loop.

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Maybe Noah.

464
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Yeah, so I mean, you're a musician.

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what can you do to support your family?

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You can teach, you can play gigs,

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you can take jobs that have nothing to do with music,

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like part-time things.

469
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So you end up having like three different jobs

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and your wife has her full-time job

471
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and you need to support your family together.

472
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when exactly will you have time for your band?

473
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Now, you could say, okay, so at some point the band starts making money

474
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because the band is getting bigger, right?

475
00:33:16,980 --> 00:33:17,280
Exactly.

476
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So at some point the band will be able to support you,

477
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but how can you reach a point where the band is big enough to support you

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if you don't spend enough time for your band?

479
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because you work three jobs, right?

480
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And when you don't work, you need to babysit and so on and so on.

481
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And you're stuck in this loop.

482
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Also, if the band doesn't get recognition from the industry

483
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and actually opportunities.

484
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So you have to play that game as well.

485
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Meaning you can't play authentic music?

486
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You have to play for the crowd?

487
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I mean, catering to specific promoters or, I mean, you need to be financially, I mean, make sense for them.

488
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And that means you have to put in the time in the band and you have to make some stuff that is, I don't know, more for the masses.

489
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But putting that aside, yeah.

490
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Sorry, no.

491
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Yes, go ahead.

492
00:34:20,020 --> 00:34:30,800
Yeah, no, and it also goes back to what we said earlier, that being where we're from, I feel, you know, and I've learned it the really hard way.

493
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I feel like I have to work like a hundred times harder than people who live in other places just to get the same kind of opportunities.

494
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And unfortunately, this is true.

495
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So you find yourself, just work yourself to death, basically.

496
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Not really, but you know what I mean.

497
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:06,100
And not even able to get your band to a place where it can support you.

498
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,740
This is very sad to hear.

499
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,580
I recognize this is a fairly common pattern.

500
00:35:15,740 --> 00:35:17,600
It's not unique to Skardust.

501
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:28,420
I think there's the added complication in your case, right, with Israel and so on, which you faced in 2025 and hopefully are not going to face as much in 2026.

502
00:35:29,580 --> 00:35:38,320
But, you know, as someone, as an enjoyer of good music, good art, when I listen to stuff like this, it's like,

503
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:48,200
if a society wants to have beautiful things like art, like music, you know, painting and so on,

504
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:57,680
there has to be a way in which we can sustainably sustain the creators, right?

505
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:06,260
There are true talents who can produce this so that they don't have to burn themselves out effectively.

506
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,220
And I wonder if that's where patrons come in, right?

507
00:36:11,740 --> 00:36:16,600
People who've been fortunate in life

508
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:17,640
and then they step in and say,

509
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,000
look, I want to see this.

510
00:36:19,780 --> 00:36:21,240
I want to see more of this, right?

511
00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:24,620
I want to see more art and beauty in the world.

512
00:36:24,620 --> 00:36:27,780
So I will step in and help out

513
00:36:27,780 --> 00:36:31,860
because is there a sustainable business model

514
00:36:31,860 --> 00:36:34,100
for a talented musician

515
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:36,740
to be able to support themselves

516
00:36:36,740 --> 00:36:38,040
and do what they love?

517
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,260
That's the big question.

518
00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:42,660
Yeah, if somebody, if you get an angel investor,

519
00:36:42,980 --> 00:36:46,100
how is it financially logical?

520
00:36:48,060 --> 00:36:48,980
It's a big question.

521
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,900
I think when you get to, you know,

522
00:36:51,220 --> 00:36:53,320
sides like Sabaton, for example,

523
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,860
then yes, then it's a really good investment paid off,

524
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,540
but, you know, you need to get there.

525
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,700
And you cannot if everybody's stuck in the Fiat prison

526
00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:06,540
and the band is stuck in the Fiat prison

527
00:37:06,540 --> 00:37:11,340
and everything's just a loop of you can't get stuff to launch, I guess.

528
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,080
Yeah, bands that managed to get out of this loop are,

529
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,140
if I have to take an educated guess,

530
00:37:21,060 --> 00:37:27,280
are bands who managed to do this either early on in their lives, age-wise,

531
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:38,160
or earlier when money was easier, I guess,

532
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,720
because we do live in an extremely expensive time.

533
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,940
And supporting a family in Israel is, like I said,

534
00:37:47,940 --> 00:37:51,880
it's six full-time jobs, basically.

535
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,360
And I also wanted to bring up, sorry, Avi,

536
00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:01,520
the topic of the podcasting 2.0 and Wavelake

537
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,460
and all the independent stuff that's going on

538
00:38:03,460 --> 00:38:04,520
with the value for value.

539
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,200
Maybe if that's for later, then...

540
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,020
I was going to bring it up just as you...

541
00:38:10,020 --> 00:38:10,320
Okay, yes.

542
00:38:12,260 --> 00:38:13,080
Then yes.

543
00:38:14,380 --> 00:38:16,880
Yeah, so actually let me ask you a question on that.

544
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,580
Because with Scardust,

545
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,380
you're in a slightly different position.

546
00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:22,960
Exactly.

547
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,340
You have a label, right?

548
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:35,460
But there's so many independent artists, and I've had many on the show as well, who don't have a label and maybe have made a conscious choice in some cases.

549
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:41,180
I think there's Longhi, a British musician.

550
00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:53,580
So Aaron of Essex was telling me that Longhi's actually made the conscious choice not to sign on to a label because of all the things in his specific case that he would have had to compromise.

551
00:38:53,580 --> 00:38:55,960
in doing so, right?

552
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,440
And so people like that turn to some of these new tools

553
00:38:58,440 --> 00:38:59,340
that are available,

554
00:39:00,780 --> 00:39:03,160
Podcasting 2.0, Value for Value, right?

555
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:04,860
Fountain, where you could put your,

556
00:39:05,020 --> 00:39:08,440
I don't know if you knew this, Lahav or Noah,

557
00:39:08,540 --> 00:39:10,620
but you could actually put your music up on Fountain now.

558
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,080
They have a separate offering for musicians.

559
00:39:15,820 --> 00:39:19,180
But it's probably the same problem that we're getting to, yeah.

560
00:39:20,020 --> 00:39:22,280
I think it's a very similar problem,

561
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,520
which is you're relying on the generosity of your listeners.

562
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:31,240
And you might find one or two people who'll zap you 10,000, 20,000 sats,

563
00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:35,500
but most people are going to be at the 100, 200 sats level, right?

564
00:39:35,620 --> 00:39:40,480
So at most you'll make per song a few hundred dollars.

565
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,700
And also there's the whole side of if you have a label,

566
00:39:44,020 --> 00:39:46,900
then the label is supposed to do all the distribution

567
00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:51,860
and actually agree to post stuff on Wave Lake O'Fountain.

568
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,420
with that model of revenue.

569
00:39:55,260 --> 00:40:00,440
And, you know, that's a pitch that we're far from maybe.

570
00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:02,820
But yeah, that makes it a problem.

571
00:40:02,980 --> 00:40:05,420
And it creates this little chicken and egg, actually,

572
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,140
that you can't get masses to use the tools,

573
00:40:09,860 --> 00:40:12,120
which are amazing tools.

574
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,160
And because they don't have who to,

575
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,160
I mean, the bands with all the followers

576
00:40:19,780 --> 00:40:22,100
and all the fans are not on that

577
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:23,180
because of all the labels.

578
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,640
So you can't get masses over there.

579
00:40:26,740 --> 00:40:28,420
You can't get it to actually take off.

580
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:32,260
So yeah, I think it's actually like what Baba said

581
00:40:32,260 --> 00:40:37,580
that you read out early on, which is a problem.

582
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,500
It's a discussion, I think, we should have.

583
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,380
But in the case of your label,

584
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,100
or if you don't want to specifically talk about your label now,

585
00:40:50,100 --> 00:40:52,040
or we could maybe make it hypothetical.

586
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:57,740
But could there be a scenario in which you talk to them and say,

587
00:40:57,740 --> 00:41:01,160
look, we want more distribution on these independent platforms.

588
00:41:01,700 --> 00:41:03,360
We want to try out value for value.

589
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:07,120
Can we work out some kind of boost or zap split?

590
00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:09,720
So you come in and you take X percent,

591
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:10,840
and then the rest of it.

592
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,160
And all of that can be set up at the back end, by the way.

593
00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:16,780
So if you, for example, onboard onto Fountain,

594
00:41:16,780 --> 00:41:20,440
your label gets a Lightning address

595
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,820
and then you basically set up the splits there.

596
00:41:24,820 --> 00:41:28,260
So every time people send you sets for Scardust songs,

597
00:41:29,060 --> 00:41:31,920
they just show up with the split.

598
00:41:32,020 --> 00:41:34,380
Your label gets whatever percentage pre-assigned

599
00:41:34,380 --> 00:41:47,270
and then the band gets the rest Would you like to join the conversation asking them and explaining to them about the Lightning wallet I don think that the problem I think the problem is to put it out there for free

600
00:41:48,450 --> 00:41:48,850
Also.

601
00:41:50,290 --> 00:41:52,150
And Noah, what are the things?

602
00:41:52,270 --> 00:41:56,850
I mean, you told me earlier today about labels having all sorts of different...

603
00:41:57,890 --> 00:42:00,850
Yeah, well, for us, it's...

604
00:42:00,850 --> 00:42:08,710
I mean, labels do a lot of things and different artists get different contracts with different deals.

605
00:42:09,250 --> 00:42:29,370
But for us personally, I think the two main reasons to even have a label, because I also know a lot of independent artists and I relate to a lot of their reasons.

606
00:42:30,850 --> 00:42:52,630
And for a symphonic progressive metal band like Scardust, it's very important, I think, to have the stamp of approval from a record label, especially when it's our label is called Frontiers.

607
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:58,510
It's been around for decades. It's worked with some of the biggest names in rock and metal.

608
00:42:58,510 --> 00:43:02,390
so the fact that we are signed with them

609
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:04,290
it says something

610
00:43:04,290 --> 00:43:09,770
before people even get to listen to any of our music

611
00:43:09,770 --> 00:43:12,490
they just see, okay, it's a frontiers band

612
00:43:12,490 --> 00:43:13,970
let's look at them

613
00:43:13,970 --> 00:43:17,770
instead of just, oh, they're an independent band

614
00:43:17,770 --> 00:43:21,190
they must be small or nobody wanted to sign them

615
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:23,630
maybe that's not interesting

616
00:43:23,630 --> 00:43:27,270
and also sometimes it's a condition for festivals

617
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:29,490
you have to have a label.

618
00:43:30,110 --> 00:43:31,850
Yeah, yeah, that's true.

619
00:43:32,010 --> 00:43:32,410
That's true.

620
00:43:32,650 --> 00:43:35,630
And the other reason is, like Lahav said,

621
00:43:36,670 --> 00:43:40,730
people who do the distribution work,

622
00:43:41,210 --> 00:43:43,370
so both physical and digital,

623
00:43:44,070 --> 00:43:47,590
but they also print out all the physical products

624
00:43:47,590 --> 00:43:50,290
and they ship them all around the world.

625
00:43:50,290 --> 00:43:54,950
So you can find Scardust CDs and LPs anywhere in the world.

626
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:57,530
plus all the streaming

627
00:43:57,530 --> 00:43:58,810
you know the digital

628
00:43:58,810 --> 00:44:00,170
not all of them but

629
00:44:00,170 --> 00:44:03,370
Spotify, Apple Music and so on

630
00:44:03,370 --> 00:44:05,490
which is

631
00:44:05,490 --> 00:44:06,570
something that

632
00:44:06,570 --> 00:44:09,570
we the five

633
00:44:09,570 --> 00:44:10,990
of us the band members

634
00:44:10,990 --> 00:44:12,570
we don't have the

635
00:44:12,570 --> 00:44:15,210
ability to do that

636
00:44:15,210 --> 00:44:17,310
ourselves in terms

637
00:44:17,310 --> 00:44:17,890
of

638
00:44:17,890 --> 00:44:21,150
knowledge but also

639
00:44:21,150 --> 00:44:22,390
even if we

640
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:24,790
learn how to do it ourselves

641
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:26,530
and get all the tools.

642
00:44:27,170 --> 00:44:31,390
We don't want to spend another five full-time jobs

643
00:44:31,390 --> 00:44:34,530
distributing our music, you know?

644
00:44:37,410 --> 00:44:40,090
But I want to go back to something you said earlier, Noah,

645
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:41,950
which is giving it away for free, right?

646
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:44,370
Which would be a consideration

647
00:44:44,370 --> 00:44:49,490
if you were going into the value world.

648
00:44:51,790 --> 00:44:54,230
So let's say one of your songs,

649
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:57,410
And again, we can make it a hypothetical example

650
00:44:57,410 --> 00:45:00,770
if we don't want to be specific about your label and the song.

651
00:45:00,890 --> 00:45:03,930
But let's just say one of your songs from this album

652
00:45:03,930 --> 00:45:06,750
gets a million streams on Apple or Spotify.

653
00:45:07,630 --> 00:45:12,490
How much does Car Dust end up seeing in value for a million streams?

654
00:45:12,690 --> 00:45:13,270
Good question.

655
00:45:13,970 --> 00:45:17,170
I actually don't know the answer to this question.

656
00:45:17,830 --> 00:45:23,250
I know we get a statement from the label twice a year.

657
00:45:23,250 --> 00:45:30,510
And I know what is our share for that period of time.

658
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:38,130
But this holds in the physical sales and the digital sales.

659
00:45:38,510 --> 00:45:42,590
So I don't know the exact numbers for each.

660
00:45:44,990 --> 00:45:46,610
So it's hard to say.

661
00:45:47,850 --> 00:45:52,110
But presumably the label makes some money on those million streams and something is shared.

662
00:45:52,110 --> 00:45:59,590
some percentage of that comes to you yeah okay as they should because they work you know right

663
00:45:59,590 --> 00:46:04,930
they they work in distributing the music and printing it out and so on so i guess my question

664
00:46:04,930 --> 00:46:11,610
is how is that really that different from setting them up with zap or boost splits on fountain

665
00:46:11,610 --> 00:46:19,070
that's the question yeah when there is when there is revenue to to share of course that's you know

666
00:46:19,070 --> 00:46:21,130
that's a no-brainer.

667
00:46:21,730 --> 00:46:23,010
But I think for them,

668
00:46:23,150 --> 00:46:25,390
I would guess.

669
00:46:25,470 --> 00:46:26,130
I don't know.

670
00:46:26,370 --> 00:46:27,270
This is a conversation

671
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:28,530
we need to have.

672
00:46:29,010 --> 00:46:30,450
But I would guess that

673
00:46:30,450 --> 00:46:31,530
they would not want

674
00:46:31,530 --> 00:46:32,570
to put it out for free.

675
00:46:33,930 --> 00:46:36,130
Well, I will guarantee revenue, right?

676
00:46:36,210 --> 00:46:37,650
So if you put it up on Fountain

677
00:46:37,650 --> 00:46:40,010
or let's just say Fountain

678
00:46:40,010 --> 00:46:41,070
because I think that distributes

679
00:46:41,070 --> 00:46:43,470
across the value-for-value ecosystem.

680
00:46:44,490 --> 00:46:45,690
So, you know, in a few minutes,

681
00:46:45,830 --> 00:46:47,470
I'm going to be playing

682
00:46:47,470 --> 00:46:50,870
a value for value song.

683
00:46:52,050 --> 00:46:55,470
The way it's set up is if anyone boosts,

684
00:46:55,530 --> 00:46:57,830
so anyone is streaming the sats, right,

685
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:58,970
listening to the whole episode,

686
00:46:59,910 --> 00:47:04,270
there's going to be one split leading up to the song.

687
00:47:04,270 --> 00:47:05,630
Then in the song's duration,

688
00:47:06,350 --> 00:47:08,350
90% of the sats go to the band.

689
00:47:08,490 --> 00:47:09,170
That's how I set it.

690
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:10,770
I could set it up at 100%,

691
00:47:10,770 --> 00:47:12,430
whatever number I picked, right?

692
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:14,110
So I chose 90%.

693
00:47:14,110 --> 00:47:15,730
And if someone boosts during,

694
00:47:15,730 --> 00:47:17,570
So that's for streaming and listening.

695
00:47:17,890 --> 00:47:20,510
If someone boosts during that part of the song,

696
00:47:20,750 --> 00:47:22,290
it's still the 90% formula, right?

697
00:47:22,510 --> 00:47:25,390
Someone sends a 10,000 sat boost,

698
00:47:26,210 --> 00:47:28,930
9,000 sats are going to go to the band.

699
00:47:30,410 --> 00:47:33,490
So if Scardust puts stuff up on Fountain,

700
00:47:33,690 --> 00:47:36,550
I guarantee you I will be playing Scardust songs

701
00:47:36,550 --> 00:47:39,970
on a fairly regular basis on the show.

702
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:42,450
So I'm guaranteeing revenue right then.

703
00:47:43,690 --> 00:47:44,750
That's super cool.

704
00:47:44,750 --> 00:47:46,750
but what if no one boosts?

705
00:47:51,070 --> 00:47:53,130
This is what they will ask.

706
00:47:54,410 --> 00:47:56,290
This is what the label will ask.

707
00:47:59,110 --> 00:48:00,130
I just had a thought.

708
00:48:00,510 --> 00:48:01,070
Sorry, Avi.

709
00:48:01,850 --> 00:48:03,550
Can I just follow up on that?

710
00:48:03,790 --> 00:48:04,930
Isn't that the same as saying

711
00:48:04,930 --> 00:48:07,490
what if no one listens on iTunes or Spotify?

712
00:48:08,110 --> 00:48:09,790
What is the difference in the question?

713
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:11,950
Because people do listen.

714
00:48:12,270 --> 00:48:13,530
That's the difference.

715
00:48:14,750 --> 00:48:17,910
I'm advocating

716
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:20,970
the devil

717
00:48:20,970 --> 00:48:23,190
here but I have to

718
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:25,090
because I have to run these conversations

719
00:48:25,090 --> 00:48:27,070
in my head all the time when I think

720
00:48:27,070 --> 00:48:27,890
about these things

721
00:48:27,890 --> 00:48:31,370
but Lahav, you said you had an idea

722
00:48:31,370 --> 00:48:32,850
It sounded familiar

723
00:48:32,850 --> 00:48:34,810
because last time we were on PlepChain

724
00:48:34,810 --> 00:48:36,390
Avian QW

725
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:39,010
managed to finally shove us onto

726
00:48:39,010 --> 00:48:40,990
Noster after I procrastinated

727
00:48:40,990 --> 00:48:41,850
on it for two years

728
00:48:41,850 --> 00:48:44,450
and now we're shoving it onto

729
00:48:44,450 --> 00:48:50,250
fountain so next time we're on here we're like asking about the next thing that we're still not

730
00:48:50,250 --> 00:48:56,310
on it should be fun giving us the motivation to do these pitches but yeah we would need help with

731
00:48:56,310 --> 00:49:04,450
these kind of pitches i mean we're not the nostre and the lightning-laced airwaves best salesman i

732
00:49:04,450 --> 00:49:11,190
think to the fiat world well i'm happy to volunteer if you think it makes sense to have a conversation

733
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:12,470
with them. I'm happy to volunteer.

734
00:49:13,350 --> 00:49:15,130
I don't want to speak for

735
00:49:15,130 --> 00:49:17,050
my friend, Open Mike, but I

736
00:49:17,050 --> 00:49:19,130
suspect if I mentioned it to him, he'd be happy

737
00:49:19,130 --> 00:49:19,890
to join the call.

738
00:49:21,850 --> 00:49:23,170
And maybe he's

739
00:49:23,170 --> 00:49:25,070
a better guy to be part of such a

740
00:49:25,070 --> 00:49:27,050
conversation. Well, we can try. I mean, we

741
00:49:27,050 --> 00:49:29,050
don't even have direct connection.

742
00:49:29,230 --> 00:49:31,070
It's through our lawyer always.

743
00:49:31,290 --> 00:49:32,850
But yeah, we can try.

744
00:49:33,050 --> 00:49:35,050
I mean, ask again.

745
00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:36,730
I've already asked twice.

746
00:49:39,790 --> 00:49:40,230
Yeah.

747
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:43,510
It will be cool though.

748
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:44,190
It would.

749
00:49:45,410 --> 00:49:46,290
And pioneering.

750
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:50,190
Yeah, the first label, think about, yeah, exactly.

751
00:49:50,310 --> 00:49:53,510
The first label on the value for value ecosystem.

752
00:49:53,530 --> 00:49:53,890
Is it?

753
00:49:54,010 --> 00:49:57,950
Isn't there any like little label that already came on?

754
00:49:59,850 --> 00:50:02,730
I'm not, well, you know, if anyone's listening

755
00:50:02,730 --> 00:50:03,850
and they're aware of a label,

756
00:50:04,810 --> 00:50:07,170
boost in and tell me why I'm wrong.

757
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:13,930
Yes, so that's that.

758
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:17,190
We did find a middle ground with the stream, sorry,

759
00:50:17,490 --> 00:50:18,210
with the live stream.

760
00:50:18,530 --> 00:50:20,570
We found this middle ground where we did get into

761
00:50:20,570 --> 00:50:21,750
a little conversation with them,

762
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:24,810
and anywhere with that, we share with them.

763
00:50:25,290 --> 00:50:28,370
But because it's live and it doesn't stay,

764
00:50:28,510 --> 00:50:33,930
so it's more of a, let's call it, exposure thing.

765
00:50:37,310 --> 00:50:39,250
But, I mean, they were open to that.

766
00:50:40,250 --> 00:50:41,970
Well, okay.

767
00:50:42,750 --> 00:50:44,910
Let's leave it to that, yes.

768
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:47,270
Okay.

769
00:50:47,770 --> 00:50:49,810
We were willing to take the chance on that.

770
00:50:50,530 --> 00:50:52,290
After a little conversation, yes.

771
00:50:55,350 --> 00:50:56,150
All right.

772
00:50:56,570 --> 00:50:57,870
Let's switch tracks.

773
00:50:59,170 --> 00:51:01,810
Noah, you've been posting on X.

774
00:51:01,810 --> 00:51:04,550
I actually just deleted X from my phone

775
00:51:04,550 --> 00:51:08,190
because it was ruining my life.

776
00:51:09,250 --> 00:51:14,390
Even if I just log in for a couple of minutes just to see what's up, it would ruin my mood.

777
00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:16,630
Just scrolling past 10 posts.

778
00:51:17,730 --> 00:51:19,470
Noah's ex is hilarious.

779
00:51:20,250 --> 00:51:24,450
Yeah, I was actually very close to doing the same today.

780
00:51:24,450 --> 00:51:26,450
I posted a...

781
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:29,090
Sorry, were you about to ask something?

782
00:51:29,730 --> 00:51:32,450
I was leading up to when Noster, but...

783
00:51:33,350 --> 00:51:36,530
Oh, I'm on Noster, but I don't post anything.

784
00:51:37,850 --> 00:51:38,930
Skardust is on Noster.

785
00:51:38,930 --> 00:51:42,510
So I just, it's too many platforms for me to operate.

786
00:51:44,310 --> 00:51:51,690
I just, you know, copy paste everything on X just because, you know, just to have it on X, I guess.

787
00:51:51,690 --> 00:51:52,810
But it is funny.

788
00:51:52,950 --> 00:52:04,930
Like I just posted a video today on Instagram and got 33K views and 2,500, over 2,500 likes.

789
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:07,050
How many on X?

790
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:08,910
Let's see.

791
00:52:08,930 --> 00:52:11,490
I think there's like one there or something.

792
00:52:11,710 --> 00:52:12,410
Like two.

793
00:52:14,330 --> 00:52:16,890
It's completely ridiculous.

794
00:52:18,170 --> 00:52:19,850
Yeah, I don't know what's going on.

795
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:23,370
I'm just blindly copy pasting everything to be honest.

796
00:52:23,930 --> 00:52:31,570
You know, to be honest because managing so many social media accounts,

797
00:52:31,570 --> 00:52:43,850
It's just, I rather spend my time, you know, writing music or practicing vocals or coming up with more creative ideas.

798
00:52:47,210 --> 00:52:56,490
Well, if you delete your X app, Noah, and just instead of copy pasting to X from your Instagram, you do it to Nostra.

799
00:52:56,490 --> 00:52:58,250
I will boost

800
00:52:58,250 --> 00:53:00,650
whenever I see a post I will repost it

801
00:53:00,650 --> 00:53:01,510
I'll zap it

802
00:53:01,510 --> 00:53:04,950
and we'll get your numbers up on Nostra

803
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:08,030
do it

804
00:53:08,030 --> 00:53:10,090
do it

805
00:53:10,090 --> 00:53:10,790
we also

806
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:13,490
you had the zap stream thing

807
00:53:13,490 --> 00:53:15,070
that you wanted to bring back

808
00:53:15,070 --> 00:53:16,770
yeah I will

809
00:53:16,770 --> 00:53:18,990
I will for sure because I loved it

810
00:53:18,990 --> 00:53:20,070
it was super fun

811
00:53:20,070 --> 00:53:22,570
I did this a couple of times

812
00:53:22,570 --> 00:53:25,210
where I just do my

813
00:53:25,210 --> 00:53:26,170
vocal practice

814
00:53:26,170 --> 00:53:28,830
but on ZapDot stream.

815
00:53:29,330 --> 00:53:37,670
I just put on my camera and click go live, basically,

816
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:39,170
while practicing my vocals.

817
00:53:39,410 --> 00:53:46,690
And then there is the whole fun thing with talking with the people who hop by.

818
00:53:46,690 --> 00:53:52,750
And yeah, I stopped because I had to start the Sabaton project full time.

819
00:53:52,750 --> 00:53:56,550
and I just, I had to do this

820
00:53:56,550 --> 00:53:59,750
like, you know, not even

821
00:53:59,750 --> 00:54:04,070
eight hours a day, but more like 16 hours a day for a few months.

822
00:54:06,290 --> 00:54:08,110
But I'm back now and

823
00:54:08,110 --> 00:54:10,890
yeah, I'll definitely

824
00:54:10,890 --> 00:54:14,910
do that. That could be a very nice lightning waves,

825
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:18,650
laced airwaves, zap stream

826
00:54:18,650 --> 00:54:22,110
into your stream, into your zaps.

827
00:54:22,750 --> 00:54:26,390
So I remember there was one time you did it.

828
00:54:26,530 --> 00:54:28,250
No, this must have been five or six months back.

829
00:54:28,510 --> 00:54:30,210
And yeah, that was lots of fun.

830
00:54:30,270 --> 00:54:32,950
You were taking requests, right?

831
00:54:33,070 --> 00:54:35,470
And you were, I don't think you were singing all of them

832
00:54:35,470 --> 00:54:40,490
because you didn't take my request on that one.

833
00:54:40,970 --> 00:54:44,590
Was it Pink Floyd?

834
00:54:45,290 --> 00:54:45,770
Yes.

835
00:54:46,110 --> 00:54:46,490
Yes.

836
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:47,290
Yeah.

837
00:54:47,290 --> 00:54:59,370
Yeah. It's still one that I need to take on and do the next time, maybe.

838
00:55:00,010 --> 00:55:06,210
Yeah. We just have a comment come in on the live chat, Noah, from Shadrach, friend of the show,

839
00:55:06,550 --> 00:55:10,910
who said, Nostra is hard right now. Anything to boost visibility is great.

840
00:55:11,490 --> 00:55:15,210
We will all pitch in. I don't want Nostra without Scardust.

841
00:55:15,790 --> 00:55:16,970
You heard it here, Noah.

842
00:55:17,290 --> 00:55:18,330
Wow, that's great.

843
00:55:20,010 --> 00:55:23,790
You know, I remember a tweet by Odell

844
00:55:23,790 --> 00:55:25,910
that you should repost more on Noster

845
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:27,990
because there's no algorithm

846
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:30,770
and you just need to repost more people's stuff.

847
00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:41,060
yeah so that that zap stream would be great actually lahav let's speaking of zap stream

848
00:55:41,060 --> 00:55:48,200
right we didn't actually address this because there was no 24-hour live stream when both of

849
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:53,320
you were last on the show now there is and i think it's a in a nost of there have been other 24-hour

850
00:55:53,320 --> 00:56:00,520
live streams i've seen but none of a band uh that's been playing non-stop what like what

851
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,400
inspired you to do that and how's that been?

852
00:56:03,180 --> 00:56:03,560
Well,

853
00:56:04,340 --> 00:56:06,720
that was my first Nostra Tinkerer

854
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:08,660
project, which I had a lot of fun

855
00:56:08,660 --> 00:56:10,480
with and it's still going live, which is great

856
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,020
as long as there's no DDoS

857
00:56:12,020 --> 00:56:14,780
on Zapstream, because I, like you,

858
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,560
I'm not running a sovereign node,

859
00:56:17,100 --> 00:56:17,560
a sovereign

860
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,780
streaming

861
00:56:19,780 --> 00:56:22,600
server.

862
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:24,000
Why not?

863
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,320
Why not? Well,

864
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:27,800
DMCA,

865
00:56:28,220 --> 00:56:29,500
I think it's called,

866
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,060
If I'm streaming copyright music on my own server,

867
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,940
I don't want to get in trouble, basically.

868
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,900
And on Zapstream, it's fine.

869
00:56:42,140 --> 00:56:45,760
Because nothing is saved there, it just gets deleted.

870
00:56:47,420 --> 00:56:53,200
So I was trying to figure out and tinker with a personal server.

871
00:56:54,100 --> 00:56:56,060
And I was already getting there installing Zapstream,

872
00:56:56,060 --> 00:57:00,920
and I also tried my own little hack to host HLS streams

873
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,460
off of a regular web host server

874
00:57:03,460 --> 00:57:09,480
that might be in a off jurisdiction hosting.

875
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,480
But it was too much and then the DDoS stopped

876
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,160
and Zapstream started working great again.

877
00:57:16,580 --> 00:57:18,080
So just put it on pause.

878
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:21,900
But yeah, that's the story.

879
00:57:21,900 --> 00:57:26,400
if your node or whatever

880
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:27,760
is on DigitalOcean

881
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,180
does the DMCA

882
00:57:30,180 --> 00:57:31,000
things still apply?

883
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:31,340
yeah

884
00:57:31,340 --> 00:57:37,160
but that's

885
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:38,920
something that could work for

886
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,880
NOAA's vocal

887
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:41,420
training

888
00:57:41,420 --> 00:57:45,360
we could do that

889
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:46,400
but also ZappStream

890
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,220
as long as the server is good it's great

891
00:57:48,220 --> 00:57:50,840
you can have a contingency plan

892
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,500
I guess. Maybe I'll just call Avi

893
00:57:52,500 --> 00:57:54,280
and I'll ask him for his stream key

894
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:55,880
and I'll use his server

895
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,260
if that stream goes down.

896
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:00,960
Yeah, I don't know.

897
00:58:01,020 --> 00:58:02,900
I'm not sure my setup

898
00:58:02,900 --> 00:58:04,520
can handle concurrent streams.

899
00:58:05,980 --> 00:58:06,880
One at a time

900
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,400
I think is what

901
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,640
what's going on.

902
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,320
Yeah, let me actually look at the dashboard

903
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:13,300
and see what we're at.

904
00:58:13,300 --> 00:58:15,560
It's probably the two cores or something.

905
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:16,420
Not enough.

906
00:58:16,660 --> 00:58:19,020
Yeah, it's two cores. I'm at 50% right now.

907
00:58:19,020 --> 00:58:20,380
So I think we've had a second stream.

908
00:58:20,380 --> 00:58:21,180
Yeah, it's not enough.

909
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:22,680
And also for video.

910
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,460
And also you're using a tunnel.

911
00:58:24,620 --> 00:58:25,480
We talked about that.

912
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,100
They don't like it on, what's their name?

913
00:58:29,900 --> 00:58:30,500
Cloudflare.

914
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,080
That you use their tunnels for streaming video

915
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:34,420
for a long period of time.

916
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,280
And 24-7 is a long period of time.

917
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:38,860
So you need, I don't know, reverse proxy.

918
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,180
It's all tinkering and setting it up.

919
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,180
I'm not even from this world.

920
00:58:43,180 --> 00:58:46,220
I'm not a dev, but it's fun.

921
00:58:46,220 --> 00:58:52,200
Yeah, and your videos are not transcoded, right?

922
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,260
I think you're using the basic endpoint of Zapstream.

923
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,900
Well, because I'm transcoding it when I'm sending it,

924
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,780
so I've already set the quality,

925
00:58:59,940 --> 00:59:01,520
and then it just defaults to the same thing.

926
00:59:03,340 --> 00:59:06,680
You get one quality, which is optimized.

927
00:59:07,900 --> 00:59:08,860
I think it works great.

928
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,180
I mean, you tell me.

929
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,000
Yeah, it works great.

930
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:15,660
It looks good.

931
00:59:16,220 --> 00:59:16,740
Yeah.

932
00:59:17,460 --> 00:59:19,840
I didn't realize you were transcoding it at your end

933
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:20,600
and sending it over.

934
00:59:20,860 --> 00:59:24,440
It's just the stream settings you can adjust.

935
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:30,420
All right.

936
00:59:30,420 --> 00:59:37,080
So maybe this is a good time to listen to our value-for-value

937
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,780
independent track of the day.

938
00:59:40,780 --> 00:59:46,520
and we're keeping it in the family for the segment.

939
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:48,900
One of the best feelings in the world

940
00:59:48,900 --> 00:59:51,360
is when a friend hands you a track

941
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,000
and you press play and you realize,

942
00:59:54,260 --> 00:59:56,360
wait, this is actually incredible.

943
00:59:57,060 --> 00:59:59,600
So this song is by my friend Joe Martin.

944
01:00:00,260 --> 01:00:02,760
He's managed to capture the very specific,

945
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,200
lonely feeling of chasing a dream

946
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:06,940
that might not exist anymore.

947
01:00:06,940 --> 01:00:13,020
It's got that classic 90s, almost alt-rock nostalgia

948
01:00:13,020 --> 01:00:16,140
that feels like someone's lived in it.

949
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,560
The track is called Empty Passenger Seat.

950
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:21,760
Turn it up.

951
01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:33,740
Big city lights are shining down on me

952
01:00:33,740 --> 01:00:35,860
Death from walls and yesterday

953
01:00:35,860 --> 01:00:40,080
And although they don't spell my name

954
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,840
I know that they will someday

955
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:48,040
Drinking all the backstage beer

956
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,380
Trying to drown out your tears

957
01:00:51,380 --> 01:00:53,960
Man, it's been a long time

958
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,540
Since I've been home

959
01:00:55,540 --> 01:00:57,880
God, it feels like it leaves

960
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:02,180
Forgive me for my confusion

961
01:01:02,180 --> 01:01:05,880
I got sold a rock and roll delusion

962
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,560
Now it's taking its toll

963
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,740
It's catching up with me

964
01:01:11,740 --> 01:01:14,980
Got my foot to the floor

965
01:01:14,980 --> 01:01:17,220
Going nowhere fast

966
01:01:17,220 --> 01:01:20,980
Don't see how I can make this last

967
01:01:20,980 --> 01:01:22,780
Was convinced

968
01:01:22,780 --> 01:01:26,320
That my life would be complete

969
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:30,940
Beside an empty passenger seat

970
01:01:30,940 --> 01:01:37,820
Beside an empty passenger seat

971
01:01:37,820 --> 01:01:42,800
Another service stop

972
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:46,620
Oh, another train to hop

973
01:01:46,620 --> 01:01:49,580
Another corner street busker

974
01:01:49,580 --> 01:01:52,360
Singing in the rain

975
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:57,200
Stringing my J45

976
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:01,560
I've stinks, I've nerves, make me feel alive

977
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:07,080
But I think of you to try and keep me sane

978
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:12,260
Oh, forgive me for my confusion

979
01:02:12,260 --> 01:02:15,960
I got a soul to rock or roll illusion

980
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:21,920
Now it's taking its toll, it's catching up with me

981
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:25,180
Got my foot to the floor

982
01:02:25,180 --> 01:02:27,420
Going nowhere fast

983
01:02:27,420 --> 01:02:31,160
Don't see how I can make this last

984
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:32,920
Was convinced

985
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,600
That my life would be complete

986
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:41,020
This island empty passenger seat

987
01:02:41,020 --> 01:02:48,440
This island empty passenger seat

988
01:02:48,440 --> 01:03:07,720
Forgive me for my confusion

989
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,420
I got sold to rock and roll delusion

990
01:03:11,420 --> 01:03:14,200
Now it's taking its toll

991
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,540
And it's catching up with me

992
01:03:17,540 --> 01:03:20,700
Got my fault to the floor

993
01:03:20,700 --> 01:03:22,820
Now I'm nowhere fast

994
01:03:22,820 --> 01:03:26,740
Don't see what can make this last

995
01:03:26,740 --> 01:03:28,320
Now I know

996
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:32,000
That my life won't become free

997
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,820
Beside an empty passage to see

998
01:03:35,820 --> 01:03:43,820
Beside an empty passage to see

999
01:03:43,820 --> 01:03:50,720
Beside an empty passenger seat

1000
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:57,920
Beside an empty passenger seat

1001
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:07,720
That was Empty Passenger's Seat by Joe Martin.

1002
01:04:08,140 --> 01:04:10,000
I have to talk about that chorus.

1003
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:13,660
The line, I got sold a rock and roll delusion.

1004
01:04:13,820 --> 01:04:22,140
that hits hard joe i suspect is singing about the music industry there but that sentiment applies

1005
01:04:22,140 --> 01:04:29,600
to everything right now the promise versus the reality musically is just solid comfort food

1006
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:37,500
it reminds me of those driving songs you'd play with the windows down in 1998 thinking you're the

1007
01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:39,020
main character in a movie.

1008
01:04:40,060 --> 01:04:41,600
Since Joe is a friend of the show,

1009
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:43,520
let's show him the

1010
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,680
power of value for value.

1011
01:04:46,420 --> 01:04:47,460
I've got 90%

1012
01:04:47,460 --> 01:04:49,080
splits set up in the chapter.

1013
01:04:49,900 --> 01:04:51,220
If you've ever felt

1014
01:04:51,220 --> 01:04:53,480
that delusion he's thinking about,

1015
01:04:54,100 --> 01:04:54,780
send a boost

1016
01:04:54,780 --> 01:04:56,860
and let him know.

1017
01:04:57,980 --> 01:04:58,820
So, have you,

1018
01:04:59,580 --> 01:05:01,160
Noah and Lahav,

1019
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,120
have you heard Joe Martin

1020
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:03,480
before?

1021
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:09,760
I have a few times in the past

1022
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:10,900
I haven't heard this one

1023
01:05:10,900 --> 01:05:12,280
I was listening to this

1024
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:13,040
it was great

1025
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:16,340
I'm already imagining how the music video looks

1026
01:05:16,340 --> 01:05:17,560
don't know if it has one

1027
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:22,460
I imagined it exactly like you described it

1028
01:05:22,460 --> 01:05:24,520
with the windows open

1029
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:25,540
driving

1030
01:05:25,540 --> 01:05:27,080
yeah

1031
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:29,460
no, it was great

1032
01:05:29,460 --> 01:05:32,140
yeah, great singing

1033
01:05:32,140 --> 01:05:36,240
and it had the iconic break on the last chorus,

1034
01:05:36,940 --> 01:05:39,260
which is like a kind of moment.

1035
01:05:39,580 --> 01:05:39,720
Yeah.

1036
01:05:40,340 --> 01:05:40,800
Great.

1037
01:05:44,020 --> 01:05:44,660
Awesome.

1038
01:05:45,700 --> 01:05:51,980
Lahav, you are the videographer for,

1039
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:53,620
the filmmaker, I should say,

1040
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,040
for all of Skardust's videos, right?

1041
01:05:57,580 --> 01:05:59,480
Including the iconic Rip one.

1042
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,940
In the past three years or so, yes.

1043
01:06:02,140 --> 01:06:04,260
In the past three years, gotcha.

1044
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:07,640
Yeah, what's the next one that's lined up?

1045
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:13,160
We have plans, we have plans, yeah.

1046
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,060
We're working on it.

1047
01:06:17,060 --> 01:06:19,500
Which cannot be disclosed in a public forum?

1048
01:06:20,220 --> 01:06:21,280
Not yet.

1049
01:06:24,460 --> 01:06:27,060
Is it from the current album?

1050
01:06:28,980 --> 01:06:29,380
No.

1051
01:06:30,020 --> 01:06:30,760
No, no.

1052
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,160
No, we're working on new music.

1053
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:34,160
Mm-hmm.

1054
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:35,160
Yeah.

1055
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:36,160
Nice.

1056
01:06:36,160 --> 01:07:01,826
Because we do have music videos for almost all of the songs from this last album I just realized that Baby Long Forgotten isn on the live stream but maybe it is And I just don remember Yeah so I can maybe only say that it going to be a video before the next album at least

1057
01:07:02,346 --> 01:07:05,726
I mean, something.

1058
01:07:05,726 --> 01:07:11,346
Yeah, because we have talked, so producing new music takes time.

1059
01:07:11,346 --> 01:07:18,226
especially like I don't want to sound like a broken record but especially when you're stuck

1060
01:07:18,226 --> 01:07:28,766
in this fiat loop and everybody is so so freaking busy um we're now trying to to find solutions out

1061
01:07:28,766 --> 01:07:35,266
of this loop but so far you know we're still this is still our reality so things take time

1062
01:07:35,266 --> 01:07:43,626
and we are an albums kind of band for the most part we we love you know releasing

1063
01:07:43,626 --> 01:07:54,126
I call it chapters so it's like a chapter in a band's life but in the meantime we're thinking

1064
01:07:54,126 --> 01:08:03,566
what music can we release in the meantime before we release this album that will take time so

1065
01:08:03,566 --> 01:08:06,046
we have a lot of

1066
01:08:06,046 --> 01:08:08,426
ideas and plans

1067
01:08:08,426 --> 01:08:10,126
and I personally

1068
01:08:10,126 --> 01:08:12,266
I came back from this tour with

1069
01:08:12,266 --> 01:08:14,166
Sabaton a few weeks ago

1070
01:08:14,166 --> 01:08:15,666
super motivated

1071
01:08:15,666 --> 01:08:17,946
to do

1072
01:08:17,946 --> 01:08:18,666
you know

1073
01:08:18,666 --> 01:08:21,966
with so many creative

1074
01:08:21,966 --> 01:08:24,086
ideas because I watched this

1075
01:08:24,086 --> 01:08:26,626
awesome group of people

1076
01:08:26,626 --> 01:08:28,546
I'm talking

1077
01:08:28,546 --> 01:08:30,386
about the Sabaton band but also

1078
01:08:30,386 --> 01:08:31,926
the entire crew and

1079
01:08:31,926 --> 01:08:41,666
And, you know, basically everyone on this tour, but especially the people in charge of this whole thing and how they work.

1080
01:08:41,666 --> 01:08:55,346
And it's just so inspiring to see how they always think outside the box and how they always aim to do bigger things or things nobody else thought of.

1081
01:08:55,426 --> 01:08:59,046
It's a really pioneer mindset.

1082
01:08:59,046 --> 01:09:02,886
and I'm drawn to it

1083
01:09:02,886 --> 01:09:07,006
and it just gave me a lot of inspiration.

1084
01:09:08,486 --> 01:09:12,046
This was a very long answer to a very short question.

1085
01:09:12,726 --> 01:09:13,906
One thing I noticed

1086
01:09:13,906 --> 01:09:18,286
is that also those people

1087
01:09:18,286 --> 01:09:22,686
really appreciated you for being real.

1088
01:09:22,686 --> 01:09:25,726
I mean, for being authentic.

1089
01:09:25,726 --> 01:09:30,666
it's like real people not NPCs

1090
01:09:30,666 --> 01:09:32,886
because in the music industry

1091
01:09:32,886 --> 01:09:34,846
you get a lot of kind of

1092
01:09:34,846 --> 01:09:36,846
people who try to

1093
01:09:36,846 --> 01:09:40,666
take advantage

1094
01:09:40,666 --> 01:09:43,086
yeah but also

1095
01:09:43,086 --> 01:09:44,946
fit into

1096
01:09:44,946 --> 01:09:46,486
a box right

1097
01:09:46,486 --> 01:09:48,946
and I think they appreciated that

1098
01:09:48,946 --> 01:09:49,966
I don't

1099
01:09:49,966 --> 01:09:52,966
yeah but also you personally

1100
01:09:52,966 --> 01:09:54,486
yeah

1101
01:09:54,486 --> 01:10:01,686
So Noah, you know, we didn't get to see too many videos from that,

1102
01:10:01,886 --> 01:10:04,306
presumably for obvious reasons, right?

1103
01:10:04,386 --> 01:10:08,226
Which is, I guess you can't, it's copyright material, whatever it is, right?

1104
01:10:10,306 --> 01:10:11,506
Funny, I'm not sure.

1105
01:10:11,706 --> 01:10:11,946
Sorry.

1106
01:10:13,526 --> 01:10:19,826
There was a TV broadcast piece on the national TV channel here

1107
01:10:19,826 --> 01:10:21,886
just three hours ago.

1108
01:10:21,886 --> 01:10:24,906
It was aired about Noah on this Sabaton tour.

1109
01:10:26,046 --> 01:10:28,106
It's in Israel, it's in Hebrew, but yeah.

1110
01:10:29,226 --> 01:10:29,546
Yeah.

1111
01:10:29,986 --> 01:10:34,306
There is actually some live footage out there.

1112
01:10:35,606 --> 01:10:37,746
So if you check the legendary orchestra,

1113
01:10:37,926 --> 01:10:41,426
I think it's just on Instagram and that's why maybe.

1114
01:10:42,486 --> 01:10:45,826
But if you check the legendary orchestra on Instagram,

1115
01:10:45,826 --> 01:10:52,706
there is quite a bit of videos with audio and on all.

1116
01:10:52,966 --> 01:11:00,146
And also on the Sabaton channels, which are everywhere almost.

1117
01:11:00,426 --> 01:11:01,826
I don't think they're on Oster, but...

1118
01:11:03,286 --> 01:11:04,826
Maybe that's why I missed it.

1119
01:11:04,946 --> 01:11:08,226
No, because I saw a few of the photos that you'd posted on X

1120
01:11:08,226 --> 01:11:13,926
and I had to use my imagination based on those photos to think what the show...

1121
01:11:13,926 --> 01:11:23,546
But it did look like it was, you know, incredible coordination to put, you know, to talk about this mythological type or, you know, grand.

1122
01:11:24,726 --> 01:11:26,106
I guess it's not just the music, right?

1123
01:11:26,126 --> 01:11:27,426
There's more to it than just the music.

1124
01:11:27,626 --> 01:11:27,906
It's the.

1125
01:11:27,946 --> 01:11:28,166
Yeah.

1126
01:11:29,066 --> 01:11:29,346
Yeah.

1127
01:11:29,386 --> 01:11:31,106
It's a whole theater act.

1128
01:11:34,046 --> 01:11:34,826
Yeah, that is.

1129
01:11:35,106 --> 01:11:38,346
I can imagine how something like that is inspiring.

1130
01:11:38,346 --> 01:11:42,826
I think on New Year's Eve, I went with my family.

1131
01:11:43,866 --> 01:11:46,726
We were visiting New York City for the break.

1132
01:11:47,466 --> 01:11:50,046
And we went to one of the local theaters here.

1133
01:11:51,046 --> 01:11:56,746
And there's an acrobatic dance and theater company,

1134
01:11:57,326 --> 01:12:00,626
might be the best way of describing them, called Momix.

1135
01:12:00,786 --> 01:12:02,746
And it's reasonably famous, actually.

1136
01:12:03,066 --> 01:12:06,326
The creative director is a guy called Moses Pendleton.

1137
01:12:06,326 --> 01:12:11,246
and they did their version of Alice in Wonderland.

1138
01:12:11,366 --> 01:12:13,346
I mean, it's completely their version, right?

1139
01:12:13,346 --> 01:12:18,506
But it's like a combination of a circus act, ballet,

1140
01:12:19,426 --> 01:12:23,326
and amazing music.

1141
01:12:24,166 --> 01:12:27,186
And to see that level of coordination,

1142
01:12:28,106 --> 01:12:30,206
that was proof of work for me, right?

1143
01:12:30,246 --> 01:12:34,206
You cannot pull something so coordinated

1144
01:12:34,206 --> 01:12:37,446
where even the slightest change

1145
01:12:37,446 --> 01:12:39,026
can throw the whole piece off.

1146
01:12:39,726 --> 01:12:41,006
Someone could die in this case

1147
01:12:41,006 --> 01:12:45,106
because there are people jumping from ropes and stuff.

1148
01:12:45,366 --> 01:12:47,846
But this is incredibly elegant dancing.

1149
01:12:48,846 --> 01:12:51,346
And really, the word that keeps coming back to me

1150
01:12:51,346 --> 01:12:53,426
is coordination and performance art.

1151
01:12:54,206 --> 01:12:57,006
And it was truly inspiring to see

1152
01:12:57,006 --> 01:13:01,426
how much human creativity can push the envelope.

1153
01:13:01,726 --> 01:13:02,606
That was one thing.

1154
01:13:02,606 --> 01:13:08,266
And I've been thinking about how can I, you know, obviously a podcast is a very different medium from theater.

1155
01:13:08,926 --> 01:13:17,546
But is there a way of, but at the end of the day, it's a medium, which means it can be an art form, right?

1156
01:13:17,606 --> 01:13:22,146
So I'm just thinking about how performance art via podcasting can work.

1157
01:13:22,286 --> 01:13:24,166
That was the one thing that struck me.

1158
01:13:24,166 --> 01:13:27,266
But the other thing was watching something so beautiful.

1159
01:13:27,266 --> 01:13:30,286
it almost gave me hope

1160
01:13:30,286 --> 01:13:30,986
which is

1161
01:13:30,986 --> 01:13:32,326
in thinking

1162
01:13:32,326 --> 01:13:34,886
is the culture reviving somehow?

1163
01:13:35,146 --> 01:13:36,926
Because a lot of things

1164
01:13:36,926 --> 01:13:38,366
over the last few years

1165
01:13:38,366 --> 01:13:39,546
have been incredibly nihilistic

1166
01:13:39,546 --> 01:13:41,086
in the name of art.

1167
01:13:42,086 --> 01:13:43,386
And I wonder

1168
01:13:43,386 --> 01:13:45,326
if there's a push

1169
01:13:45,326 --> 01:13:47,806
into creating beautiful things again

1170
01:13:47,806 --> 01:13:49,826
or maybe it was a one-off.

1171
01:13:50,006 --> 01:13:50,966
I don't know if you

1172
01:13:50,966 --> 01:13:53,026
have you noticed that

1173
01:13:53,026 --> 01:13:55,346
a sort of a revival happening?

1174
01:13:55,346 --> 01:13:58,366
that's a good question I think

1175
01:13:58,366 --> 01:14:06,266
yeah that's a

1176
01:14:06,266 --> 01:14:09,906
that's a very nice point to make because

1177
01:14:09,906 --> 01:14:13,626
with all the you know AI era

1178
01:14:13,626 --> 01:14:17,466
now you want to see

1179
01:14:17,466 --> 01:14:20,746
real things and

1180
01:14:20,746 --> 01:14:31,506
And there is nothing that can, you know, no artificial thing can replace a real live experience, right?

1181
01:14:32,406 --> 01:14:33,126
Yet.

1182
01:14:35,246 --> 01:14:35,966
Yet.

1183
01:14:37,326 --> 01:14:38,046
Yeah.

1184
01:14:38,406 --> 01:14:43,166
Yeah, but I can relate to the coordination part is very inspiring.

1185
01:14:43,166 --> 01:14:51,406
and witnessing this every single day for five weeks.

1186
01:14:51,406 --> 01:14:57,306
Now, not only on stage, but actually especially off stage,

1187
01:14:57,966 --> 01:15:02,246
the way everything is just ticking.

1188
01:15:04,086 --> 01:15:07,686
And also watching it kind of evolve into that

1189
01:15:07,686 --> 01:15:12,246
because it's a one-of-a-kind kind of production.

1190
01:15:12,946 --> 01:15:15,506
Nobody has really done anything like this before.

1191
01:15:16,286 --> 01:15:26,746
So, and we had to build, we, I say we, I mean, they had to build a freaking castle every single evening in a different arena, in a different city.

1192
01:15:27,686 --> 01:15:33,086
And then you have all the pyrotechnics and the, you know, different outfits.

1193
01:15:33,826 --> 01:15:36,146
And I don't know what else, you know, goes in there.

1194
01:15:36,206 --> 01:15:39,766
Like all the light, sound, there is a bridge.

1195
01:15:39,766 --> 01:15:40,406
The bridge.

1196
01:15:40,406 --> 01:16:04,186
LED screens. There is a bridge that floats on the ceiling. There is all kinds of stuff. And there is, you know, the musicians, the actors, the instruments, the tech people. Like, it's a huge machine that every single part of it needs to be coordinated with all the rest.

1197
01:16:04,186 --> 01:16:11,226
And it took a few days for this whole production to figure itself out.

1198
01:16:11,746 --> 01:16:15,646
So the first few shows I remember were like, where should I go?

1199
01:16:15,766 --> 01:16:16,806
What's happening now?

1200
01:16:16,926 --> 01:16:18,026
Things are delaying.

1201
01:16:18,106 --> 01:16:18,566
Oh, my God.

1202
01:16:18,686 --> 01:16:21,526
I remember the second show in Berlin.

1203
01:16:22,266 --> 01:16:27,626
I didn't have my stage outfit on until seven minutes before the show.

1204
01:16:27,726 --> 01:16:30,906
And it takes me 35 minutes to get into costume.

1205
01:16:33,266 --> 01:16:33,826
Wow.

1206
01:16:34,186 --> 01:16:42,526
because, you know, times changed and nobody let the right people know about it.

1207
01:16:42,526 --> 01:16:46,686
And people were already in the venue and it was just a whole thing.

1208
01:16:46,786 --> 01:16:53,586
So I found myself with three wardrobe people all over me behind the stage,

1209
01:16:54,146 --> 01:16:56,266
seven minutes before the show.

1210
01:16:56,326 --> 01:16:59,046
And I somehow made it on time with, you know,

1211
01:16:59,106 --> 01:17:03,346
like a little piece of jewelry hanging off of my hair or something.

1212
01:17:04,186 --> 01:17:13,226
but it all somehow came together they pulled it off it did yeah definitely definitely

1213
01:17:13,226 --> 01:17:18,726
so is that just practice and repetition that gets the that level of coordination or is that

1214
01:17:18,726 --> 01:17:24,066
something else it's also it's also in my opinion a very good eye in selecting people

1215
01:17:24,066 --> 01:17:29,286
and uh you know people you work with it's very good management

1216
01:17:29,286 --> 01:17:41,986
Yeah, and that was, to me, one of the most inspiring parts, just seeing how they operate, the people on top, how they work, how they operate, what do they prioritize.

1217
01:17:43,126 --> 01:17:49,386
They prioritize, for example, good behavior, you know?

1218
01:17:49,386 --> 01:17:55,686
that was incredibly surprising in a good way to see

1219
01:17:55,686 --> 01:17:58,766
because that creates like when you have a nice work environment

1220
01:17:58,766 --> 01:18:17,392
everybody is more motivated and then things just work smoother right So this is something I actually i actually did not expect um who made the who so when you say management is that the band sabaton or is it someone else actually is

1221
01:18:17,392 --> 01:18:21,812
yeah it is they own their own thing they own their own production and stuff

1222
01:18:21,812 --> 01:18:30,072
wow so i have to confess i'd never heard of this band until you'd mentioned that you were going on

1223
01:18:30,072 --> 01:18:31,552
with them.

1224
01:18:31,932 --> 01:18:34,452
So you said they're a Scandinavian,

1225
01:18:34,572 --> 01:18:35,532
Swedish, I think you said,

1226
01:18:35,652 --> 01:18:37,072
symphonic metal band.

1227
01:18:37,672 --> 01:18:40,312
They call themselves power metal band.

1228
01:18:40,532 --> 01:18:41,952
They sing about

1229
01:18:41,952 --> 01:18:44,292
historical events mainly.

1230
01:18:44,712 --> 01:18:46,492
So it's all very epic and cinematic.

1231
01:18:48,832 --> 01:18:49,612
Got it.

1232
01:18:49,932 --> 01:18:51,152
And that's why they need an orchestra

1233
01:18:51,152 --> 01:18:52,992
just to create that grandeur.

1234
01:18:53,332 --> 01:18:54,832
I don't think they need it.

1235
01:18:55,792 --> 01:18:57,592
I mean, they've done pretty well

1236
01:18:57,592 --> 01:18:59,032
without any orchestras.

1237
01:19:00,072 --> 01:19:04,932
to this point, but, um, it's a, it's a whole different thing.

1238
01:19:04,952 --> 01:19:06,632
It's like, it's like a different project.

1239
01:19:06,952 --> 01:19:10,072
So the orchestra plays their songs without the band.

1240
01:19:10,212 --> 01:19:12,812
It's not that the orchestra joins the band.

1241
01:19:12,892 --> 01:19:15,712
It's that the orchestra is a standalone thing.

1242
01:19:15,852 --> 01:19:18,652
It elevates the music to a different thing altogether.

1243
01:19:20,192 --> 01:19:20,872
I see.

1244
01:19:20,872 --> 01:19:25,252
Yeah. And, and there will be, uh, there will be video content coming up.

1245
01:19:25,532 --> 01:19:27,312
So like official video content.

1246
01:19:27,692 --> 01:19:29,352
I know they're working on it.

1247
01:19:30,072 --> 01:19:36,152
so the orchestra so for these shows you would go and you were the conductor of this orchestra right

1248
01:19:36,152 --> 01:19:42,432
and you were singing as well yeah i was both i had uh i had two roles i had three roles actually

1249
01:19:42,432 --> 01:19:48,552
it was the half the time i was facing the orchestra and you know my back was facing the

1250
01:19:48,552 --> 01:19:54,532
audience and i was conducting and then half the time i was facing the crowd singing the lead parts

1251
01:19:54,532 --> 01:19:59,192
and in between the songs, I talked to the audience.

1252
01:19:59,492 --> 01:20:03,612
I did the whole, good evening Berlin and make some noise and all that.

1253
01:20:05,232 --> 01:20:08,672
Who was conducting the orchestra when your back was turned to them?

1254
01:20:09,852 --> 01:20:10,952
The vibes.

1255
01:20:14,472 --> 01:20:18,632
Sometimes I would conduct a little bit while singing,

1256
01:20:18,632 --> 01:20:27,592
but we picked it in a strategic kind of way that less conducting is needed when I do the lead parts

1257
01:20:27,592 --> 01:20:38,112
got it so you'd so you and the orchestra would come on you'd perform and then the band would

1258
01:20:38,112 --> 01:20:44,412
come after that and they would play their thing is that how the concerts worked so you had the

1259
01:20:44,412 --> 01:20:51,992
orchestra act which was 70 minutes then it transitioned into a theater act because uh they

1260
01:20:51,992 --> 01:20:57,952
they were um they had to promote their they they still are promoting an album called legends

1261
01:20:57,952 --> 01:21:03,432
that talks about different legends in history so you have napoleon and you have caesar

1262
01:21:03,432 --> 01:21:10,832
and all those you know big characters in history so you have actual actors that come on stage and do

1263
01:21:10,832 --> 01:21:12,892
their act.

1264
01:21:13,472 --> 01:21:15,332
And this transitions into

1265
01:21:15,332 --> 01:21:17,252
a Sabaton show

1266
01:21:17,252 --> 01:21:19,172
where after

1267
01:21:19,172 --> 01:21:19,992
around

1268
01:21:19,992 --> 01:21:22,192
nine songs,

1269
01:21:22,892 --> 01:21:24,832
the choir from the orchestra

1270
01:21:24,832 --> 01:21:26,892
and myself go back

1271
01:21:26,892 --> 01:21:28,852
on stage and perform the second

1272
01:21:28,852 --> 01:21:31,112
half of the show with Sabaton.

1273
01:21:33,032 --> 01:21:34,032
I see.

1274
01:21:34,992 --> 01:21:36,612
So this is, what are we talking,

1275
01:21:36,712 --> 01:21:38,372
three hours? Yeah.

1276
01:21:39,052 --> 01:21:40,652
Around three hours. Wow.

1277
01:21:40,832 --> 01:21:42,972
So that's a dedicated audience.

1278
01:21:44,592 --> 01:21:46,952
And right for them to be able to see.

1279
01:21:46,952 --> 01:21:47,292
Yeah.

1280
01:21:48,732 --> 01:21:49,532
Yeah, yeah.

1281
01:21:49,572 --> 01:21:53,332
But they get a lot of different things in those three hours.

1282
01:21:53,332 --> 01:21:54,972
It's not boring.

1283
01:21:55,292 --> 01:21:56,752
Not even for one moment.

1284
01:21:57,592 --> 01:21:59,952
There's also cannons going off in the middle.

1285
01:22:01,312 --> 01:22:03,492
Oh, the pyrotechnics are insane.

1286
01:22:04,152 --> 01:22:04,272
Yeah.

1287
01:22:06,212 --> 01:22:06,572
Yeah.

1288
01:22:06,572 --> 01:22:12,992
You know, I mentioned this in a comment, unfortunately, it must have been on X.

1289
01:22:13,892 --> 01:22:15,532
I might have said it on Nostra too.

1290
01:22:16,152 --> 01:22:18,012
But, you know, you posted the photos.

1291
01:22:18,152 --> 01:22:21,932
There were 20,000, 25,000 people in these packed arenas.

1292
01:22:22,692 --> 01:22:27,972
You're probably, Noah, the first Bitcoiner to be in front of that many people.

1293
01:22:28,172 --> 01:22:32,392
I don't think even Michael Saylor, when he's spoken, has spoken in front of that many people.

1294
01:22:34,272 --> 01:22:35,192
I'm not sure.

1295
01:22:35,192 --> 01:22:47,992
I would argue that maybe there are more Bitcoiners hidden, you know, in different groups of people who perform in front of many people, but they don't, maybe they don't speak out about it.

1296
01:22:48,292 --> 01:22:49,092
It's still taboo.

1297
01:22:51,132 --> 01:22:58,572
So you're the most, you're the first out of the closet Bitcoiner to perform in front of that many people.

1298
01:23:01,092 --> 01:23:03,292
Actually, let's go back to something we were talking earlier.

1299
01:23:03,292 --> 01:23:06,952
I think Lahav, you and I, this is not on the podcast,

1300
01:23:07,212 --> 01:23:09,392
but I think a couple of weeks back we were chatting about this,

1301
01:23:10,112 --> 01:23:14,332
which is about accessibility of music, right?

1302
01:23:14,392 --> 01:23:16,572
I personally like songs like Rip.

1303
01:23:16,972 --> 01:23:20,192
I like songs like Searing Echoes on your latest album.

1304
01:23:22,872 --> 01:23:27,332
But I guess I can understand when people say,

1305
01:23:27,412 --> 01:23:29,552
well, you know, this is too hard for me to listen to.

1306
01:23:29,552 --> 01:23:31,212
There's too much noise.

1307
01:23:31,412 --> 01:23:33,192
Why is the beat not regular?

1308
01:23:33,292 --> 01:23:35,372
why there's so many instruments.

1309
01:23:35,532 --> 01:23:37,412
I mean, whatever reasons they have.

1310
01:23:39,432 --> 01:23:44,352
And that, in theory, could make the music inaccessible.

1311
01:23:45,512 --> 01:23:47,352
Is that...

1312
01:23:47,352 --> 01:23:49,232
So what are your thoughts on that?

1313
01:23:49,352 --> 01:23:53,912
Well, this is just a realization that hit me, actually, lately.

1314
01:23:54,572 --> 01:23:58,812
I was a bit naive up until a few weeks ago,

1315
01:23:59,152 --> 01:24:01,992
maybe during this Sabaton tour, which I visited,

1316
01:24:01,992 --> 01:24:03,512
just a weekend of.

1317
01:24:04,572 --> 01:24:06,112
And yeah, and it struck me that

1318
01:24:06,112 --> 01:24:08,572
when you try to

1319
01:24:08,572 --> 01:24:12,392
make it financially

1320
01:24:12,392 --> 01:24:17,872
logical, you have to cater to a much bigger

1321
01:24:17,872 --> 01:24:19,292
and wider audience.

1322
01:24:19,892 --> 01:24:22,972
So you have to capture them

1323
01:24:22,972 --> 01:24:25,872
and not like push them away right at the beginning

1324
01:24:25,872 --> 01:24:28,112
and things like that.

1325
01:24:28,172 --> 01:24:29,772
You have to take that into account.

1326
01:24:29,772 --> 01:24:36,252
And I'm not saying you have to sell out and be, you know, slop.

1327
01:24:37,132 --> 01:24:42,712
But you can have some normie introductions into the music,

1328
01:24:42,852 --> 01:24:45,052
then you can do whatever you fucking like.

1329
01:24:45,312 --> 01:24:46,992
Sorry for my French.

1330
01:24:47,892 --> 01:24:52,752
I think the stream is down, Avi, but we are still connected.

1331
01:24:56,332 --> 01:24:57,532
Is the stream down?

1332
01:24:58,192 --> 01:25:01,272
My Amethyst, it's like dead.

1333
01:25:01,412 --> 01:25:04,412
On Zapstream, it's still going.

1334
01:25:04,632 --> 01:25:06,052
It says it's still up.

1335
01:25:07,292 --> 01:25:08,572
On my Zap, well.

1336
01:25:09,892 --> 01:25:11,552
Oh, yes, yes, it's still up.

1337
01:25:11,892 --> 01:25:12,572
Yes, it's back.

1338
01:25:12,732 --> 01:25:13,492
No, it's loading.

1339
01:25:14,752 --> 01:25:15,072
Okay.

1340
01:25:16,172 --> 01:25:17,612
I'm looking at my dashboard,

1341
01:25:18,132 --> 01:25:21,252
and dashboard says all is well.

1342
01:25:21,272 --> 01:25:22,672
Well, we're still recording, aren't we?

1343
01:25:23,432 --> 01:25:24,892
Yeah, we're still recording, yeah.

1344
01:25:27,532 --> 01:25:29,432
Yeah, that was my answer.

1345
01:25:30,712 --> 01:25:39,452
What do you think, Noah, as one of the people who actually creates this music, on the idea of accessibility of music?

1346
01:25:41,812 --> 01:25:44,952
It's an interesting question.

1347
01:25:45,772 --> 01:25:56,372
Because I'm the kind of person who likes the over-the-top complicated stuff, but also the very simple and eye-level stuff.

1348
01:25:56,372 --> 01:26:02,312
and I could love, you know, the two extremes equally.

1349
01:26:04,712 --> 01:26:09,012
So it's hard for me to have an opinion.

1350
01:26:10,572 --> 01:26:15,612
What I can say is that I do think it's much harder

1351
01:26:15,612 --> 01:26:18,372
or I don't really like this word hard,

1352
01:26:18,512 --> 01:26:23,072
but maybe more challenging to write a simple song

1353
01:26:23,072 --> 01:26:26,232
that really hits hard.

1354
01:26:26,372 --> 01:26:34,452
You know, the complex ability gives us endless options to express ourselves.

1355
01:26:34,832 --> 01:26:48,872
So writing a more simple song, you kind of limit yourself to less tools to express yourself in a way, but you still want it to have a strong impact.

1356
01:26:48,872 --> 01:26:52,652
so recently

1357
01:26:52,652 --> 01:26:54,772
I've been challenging myself

1358
01:26:54,772 --> 01:26:57,352
into writing simpler songs

1359
01:26:57,352 --> 01:26:58,672
just because of that

1360
01:26:58,672 --> 01:26:59,912
because I like challenges

1361
01:26:59,912 --> 01:27:03,532
and I'm not saying

1362
01:27:03,532 --> 01:27:05,512
I write simple songs

1363
01:27:05,512 --> 01:27:07,012
but simpler

1364
01:27:07,012 --> 01:27:08,432
and

1365
01:27:08,432 --> 01:27:13,072
we recently had

1366
01:27:13,072 --> 01:27:15,192
Ole leaving the band

1367
01:27:15,192 --> 01:27:17,472
Ole was the co-writer

1368
01:27:17,472 --> 01:27:25,932
with me up to, you know, basically until he left the band. So now it's kind of the entire

1369
01:27:25,932 --> 01:27:33,172
dynamics of writing and composing music in the band has changed in a way that fascinates me

1370
01:27:33,172 --> 01:27:41,372
because it's the five of us, but I kind of, I'm the person who gives the final word or the final

1371
01:27:41,372 --> 01:27:53,212
stamp of approval. So, um, I tried to let the music dictate the music, if that makes sense.

1372
01:27:53,872 --> 01:28:05,012
What does the song want? And it creates a simpler, I'm not, again, I'm not saying simple

1373
01:28:05,012 --> 01:28:11,052
because it would still be proggy as hell and epic and all that.

1374
01:28:11,052 --> 01:28:17,272
But maybe more ear-friendly kind of music.

1375
01:28:18,552 --> 01:28:20,772
That was, yeah, the idea.

1376
01:28:23,792 --> 01:28:27,512
What does the process of songwriting look like for you?

1377
01:28:27,652 --> 01:28:31,472
Do you just sit with a guitar or a piano, just start strumming chords?

1378
01:28:31,992 --> 01:28:34,292
How does that work for a brand new song?

1379
01:28:35,012 --> 01:28:50,732
It depends if we work as a group or if I work alone or if I work as a pair, you know, because the dynamics change the way, you know, the work method.

1380
01:28:53,232 --> 01:29:01,852
But it would normally start with, for me, it would normally start with lyrics, melody and basic harmony.

1381
01:29:01,852 --> 01:29:05,192
and sorry, before that,

1382
01:29:05,192 --> 01:29:07,852
before that it would start with a spark.

1383
01:29:07,852 --> 01:29:09,352
I have to have a spark.

1384
01:29:09,352 --> 01:29:14,352
I have to have like a wow moment in my head

1385
01:29:14,352 --> 01:29:19,352
where I am so passionate about a lyric or a line

1386
01:29:21,352 --> 01:29:34,998
or a chord progression that I have to make it into a song So there has to be a spark And then it the lyrics melody and chord progression or harmony

1387
01:29:34,998 --> 01:29:37,598
to a part of the song.

1388
01:29:38,518 --> 01:29:43,518
I put that into either a phone recording with just vocals and piano,

1389
01:29:43,518 --> 01:29:49,618
or straight into Cubase, which is the DAW I work with.

1390
01:29:51,358 --> 01:29:54,158
And then everything else evolves around that.

1391
01:29:55,358 --> 01:29:58,658
It's kind of an organic process.

1392
01:30:01,798 --> 01:30:06,578
And so for a simple song versus a complex song,

1393
01:30:07,358 --> 01:30:10,058
how would that, is the thought process different?

1394
01:30:10,858 --> 01:30:12,238
No, it's exactly the same.

1395
01:30:12,398 --> 01:30:14,718
We can take Dazzling Darkness, for example,

1396
01:30:14,838 --> 01:30:20,258
because that, I think, falls into the simpler song kind of category, right?

1397
01:30:21,358 --> 01:30:28,118
I knew, like, the spark was the chorus for me.

1398
01:30:28,998 --> 01:30:33,218
I had this chorus in my head and I had to make it into a song.

1399
01:30:34,078 --> 01:30:39,838
So I had the chord progression, I had the lyrics, the catchphrase,

1400
01:30:39,838 --> 01:30:44,138
the dazzling darkness, that was the spark.

1401
01:30:44,138 --> 01:30:54,638
um yeah i just put the i think i recorded a simple uh phone recording uh with vocals and piano

1402
01:30:54,638 --> 01:31:03,578
then transferred it into cubase then um it evolved from there and then normally we would start with

1403
01:31:03,578 --> 01:31:10,538
drums and bass but not always not always but you know normally drums and bass and then build

1404
01:31:10,538 --> 01:31:11,598
everything else around that.

1405
01:31:12,498 --> 01:31:17,398
Unless we have, you know, like an idea for a very cool piano line

1406
01:31:17,398 --> 01:31:20,118
or a very cool guitar riff, and then that would come first.

1407
01:31:20,298 --> 01:31:21,958
So there is really no rules.

1408
01:31:25,018 --> 01:31:25,698
That's great.

1409
01:31:26,078 --> 01:31:27,298
Every time I hear about it.

1410
01:31:29,718 --> 01:31:34,578
Yeah, now I recently wrote a song just by myself

1411
01:31:34,578 --> 01:31:37,498
or like a version of a song right by myself.

1412
01:31:37,498 --> 01:31:41,398
and it was super chaotic.

1413
01:31:42,258 --> 01:31:47,858
It grew into the Cubase gradually

1414
01:31:47,858 --> 01:31:50,878
with no actual rules.

1415
01:31:51,198 --> 01:31:51,898
It just happened.

1416
01:31:53,678 --> 01:31:54,278
Amazing.

1417
01:31:54,438 --> 01:31:57,218
It's just fascinating to hear the creative process

1418
01:31:57,218 --> 01:31:59,218
and I suspect it's completely different

1419
01:31:59,218 --> 01:32:01,278
for other songwriters as well.

1420
01:32:01,278 --> 01:32:02,518
Yeah, for sure, for sure.

1421
01:32:02,518 --> 01:32:02,958
Yeah.

1422
01:32:05,818 --> 01:32:13,698
Lahab, for filmmaking, what is your approach when you are, yeah, to creating?

1423
01:32:13,878 --> 01:32:17,518
Well, you know, maybe not the post-production part,

1424
01:32:17,638 --> 01:32:20,518
but let's say for making one of Scott's videos.

1425
01:32:20,738 --> 01:32:20,878
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1426
01:32:20,878 --> 01:32:21,998
How do you approach that?

1427
01:32:22,098 --> 01:32:27,618
I have a mental process I do with everything I approach video-wise.

1428
01:32:27,618 --> 01:32:33,718
if it's a song, I listen to it in loops and learn it and listen to the lyrics

1429
01:32:33,718 --> 01:32:41,398
and basically meditate and imagine what it could be, what it should be, what it wants.

1430
01:32:42,838 --> 01:32:46,398
And if the idea is good enough, make it happen.

1431
01:32:47,778 --> 01:32:50,958
On other things like, for example, finding home,

1432
01:32:52,058 --> 01:32:56,998
it builds itself, but it's not like you have no vision.

1433
01:32:56,998 --> 01:33:00,958
You lay everything and then you start sifting

1434
01:33:00,958 --> 01:33:04,358
until you have something very pure.

1435
01:33:06,058 --> 01:33:07,358
So that's a different process.

1436
01:33:09,118 --> 01:33:12,358
Also, you match it with music and you build it up.

1437
01:33:13,178 --> 01:33:15,338
That's just intuition.

1438
01:33:16,278 --> 01:33:17,258
Can't explain it.

1439
01:33:19,138 --> 01:33:19,378
Oh, yeah.

1440
01:33:19,538 --> 01:33:23,358
But it all magically comes together, right?

1441
01:33:23,758 --> 01:33:24,918
But you have to start somewhere.

1442
01:33:24,918 --> 01:33:30,518
I mean, it's either with meditation and trying to envision something, imagining it,

1443
01:33:30,718 --> 01:33:36,518
or either having everything in front of you and having to cut it down.

1444
01:33:40,518 --> 01:33:41,418
That's awesome.

1445
01:33:41,878 --> 01:33:42,078
That's the process.

1446
01:33:44,278 --> 01:33:44,698
All right.

1447
01:33:44,978 --> 01:33:47,018
We should wrap up soon.

1448
01:33:48,178 --> 01:33:51,798
But Lahav, do you want to talk about Serbia?

1449
01:33:51,798 --> 01:33:55,638
what to look forward to

1450
01:33:55,638 --> 01:33:57,178
has it been

1451
01:33:57,178 --> 01:33:59,518
announced

1452
01:33:59,518 --> 01:34:00,678
no it hasn't

1453
01:34:00,678 --> 01:34:02,178
nobody knows about Serbia

1454
01:34:02,178 --> 01:34:05,818
maybe this is the opportunity to talk about Serbia

1455
01:34:05,818 --> 01:34:07,538
is this an

1456
01:34:07,538 --> 01:34:09,138
announcement of an announcement

1457
01:34:09,138 --> 01:34:11,598
if we don't

1458
01:34:11,598 --> 01:34:13,618
say anything further Noah then yes

1459
01:34:13,618 --> 01:34:15,778
but we can make it a real announcement

1460
01:34:15,778 --> 01:34:18,118
yeah

1461
01:34:18,118 --> 01:34:19,198
be my guest

1462
01:34:19,198 --> 01:34:21,678
alright well

1463
01:34:21,678 --> 01:34:35,878
We are planning a live NOSTA streaming value for value show in Serbia, in Belgrade, on the 18th of June, if I'm not mistaken.

1464
01:34:36,058 --> 01:34:40,718
I'll get the dates right, but it's the week right after BTC Prague.

1465
01:34:41,598 --> 01:34:43,018
Scardust is going to be a headliner.

1466
01:34:44,518 --> 01:34:46,898
And there's going to be several other bands.

1467
01:34:46,998 --> 01:34:49,418
We're just working through some of the logistics.

1468
01:34:49,418 --> 01:34:50,758
it's open mic

1469
01:34:50,758 --> 01:34:53,278
he's part of the team

1470
01:34:53,278 --> 01:34:56,018
we have our good friends in Serbia

1471
01:34:56,018 --> 01:34:57,098
who are helping us

1472
01:34:57,098 --> 01:34:59,018
with the logistics on the ground

1473
01:34:59,018 --> 01:35:02,138
and of course really happy to have

1474
01:35:02,138 --> 01:35:04,118
Skardas

1475
01:35:04,118 --> 01:35:05,938
Lahav and others

1476
01:35:05,938 --> 01:35:07,338
all participate

1477
01:35:07,338 --> 01:35:09,118
in the show

1478
01:35:09,118 --> 01:35:10,978
and be part of the core team

1479
01:35:10,978 --> 01:35:12,518
we should start hyping it up

1480
01:35:12,518 --> 01:35:14,178
it's in a really cool venue

1481
01:35:14,178 --> 01:35:16,118
it's floating on the river

1482
01:35:16,118 --> 01:35:20,478
it is a really cool venue

1483
01:35:20,478 --> 01:35:22,558
we will probably be in Prague as well

1484
01:35:22,558 --> 01:35:24,738
maybe not all of Scarlett

1485
01:35:24,738 --> 01:35:26,298
but I think me and Noah

1486
01:35:26,298 --> 01:35:28,238
are planning to

1487
01:35:28,238 --> 01:35:30,778
as long as no ballistic missiles

1488
01:35:30,778 --> 01:35:32,698
from the sky prevent that

1489
01:35:32,698 --> 01:35:33,338
oh god

1490
01:35:33,338 --> 01:35:36,598
well I cannot wait to

1491
01:35:36,598 --> 01:35:38,458
play in Serbia

1492
01:35:38,458 --> 01:35:40,798
it sounds like such a fun

1493
01:35:40,798 --> 01:35:41,858
event

1494
01:35:41,858 --> 01:35:44,638
hopefully

1495
01:35:44,638 --> 01:35:45,978
first

1496
01:35:45,978 --> 01:35:48,478
out of more to come.

1497
01:35:48,898 --> 01:35:53,018
But yeah, very looking forward to it.

1498
01:35:55,178 --> 01:35:55,738
Excellent.

1499
01:35:57,398 --> 01:35:59,858
What else do you have planned?

1500
01:36:00,318 --> 01:36:02,978
We talked about the new album that's coming up.

1501
01:36:03,818 --> 01:36:06,618
But what else do we look forward to

1502
01:36:06,618 --> 01:36:09,458
from you, Noah, for 2026?

1503
01:36:09,618 --> 01:36:12,018
And then Lahav, we'll talk about your list

1504
01:36:12,018 --> 01:36:12,698
if you have one.

1505
01:36:12,698 --> 01:36:22,798
So, 2026 is the year where Skardest is back on the roads.

1506
01:36:24,318 --> 01:36:31,098
Yeah, we love our local audience, but we really missed the audience abroad.

1507
01:36:31,338 --> 01:36:35,478
So, we finally get to play outside of Israel.

1508
01:36:35,478 --> 01:36:43,538
So we're planning a little tour in Europe in March, which will be announced soon.

1509
01:36:43,798 --> 01:36:45,438
I think I mentioned that at some point.

1510
01:36:46,498 --> 01:36:49,778
We have the Serbia event.

1511
01:36:50,078 --> 01:36:53,098
We have another festival booked in Poland.

1512
01:36:55,598 --> 01:36:59,318
I don't remember the exact date, but it's like late July.

1513
01:36:59,318 --> 01:37:05,658
And we have the Prague Power USA in September in Atlanta.

1514
01:37:07,658 --> 01:37:08,498
Yeah.

1515
01:37:08,738 --> 01:37:19,118
And then personally, I really want to go back to doing the live streams here on Zap.Stream.

1516
01:37:19,118 --> 01:37:29,618
and keep growing my two projects, my choir, Hellscore,

1517
01:37:30,118 --> 01:37:34,518
that is now also preparing for a big concert

1518
01:37:34,518 --> 01:37:38,318
and new arrangements and new upcoming recordings.

1519
01:37:39,498 --> 01:37:42,338
And Skardest, like we've mentioned already,

1520
01:37:43,198 --> 01:37:47,338
yeah, that sums it up.

1521
01:37:47,338 --> 01:37:51,538
Awesome. Lots to look forward to.

1522
01:37:52,138 --> 01:37:53,338
Lahav, what about you?

1523
01:37:54,138 --> 01:37:57,578
Well, apart from tagging along to all of those events,

1524
01:37:58,418 --> 01:38:00,758
filming and documenting,

1525
01:38:01,398 --> 01:38:07,378
I hope 2026 will be the year I finally start a Bitcoin podcast.

1526
01:38:10,238 --> 01:38:11,838
What is stopping you?

1527
01:38:11,838 --> 01:38:17,578
the doxing situation

1528
01:38:17,578 --> 01:38:22,098
but you could do an audio only one no

1529
01:38:22,098 --> 01:38:23,098
well

1530
01:38:23,098 --> 01:38:25,118
we will see

1531
01:38:25,118 --> 01:38:30,318
well looking forward to

1532
01:38:30,318 --> 01:38:32,278
that well will that be in English though

1533
01:38:32,278 --> 01:38:34,978
probably not probably cater to a

1534
01:38:34,978 --> 01:38:36,878
market that hasn't been tapped yet

1535
01:38:36,878 --> 01:38:38,918
there's a vacuum here

1536
01:38:38,918 --> 01:38:41,598
in that case I'm not

1537
01:38:41,598 --> 01:38:43,278
looking forward to it that much.

1538
01:38:43,778 --> 01:38:46,258
But I hope you do it anyway.

1539
01:38:47,218 --> 01:38:47,818
That'd be great.

1540
01:38:49,198 --> 01:38:49,678
Awesome.

1541
01:38:49,858 --> 01:38:51,318
Well, Noah, Lahav,

1542
01:38:51,398 --> 01:38:53,658
thank you for coming back to the show.

1543
01:38:54,118 --> 01:38:55,538
This was a fun conversation.

1544
01:38:56,338 --> 01:38:57,618
I'm sure we'll get you back

1545
01:38:57,618 --> 01:38:59,558
again

1546
01:38:59,558 --> 01:39:01,498
at some point. Maybe this year.

1547
01:39:01,558 --> 01:39:03,618
We'll see. Well, you know, I am launching that

1548
01:39:03,618 --> 01:39:06,118
music show on Sundays

1549
01:39:06,118 --> 01:39:07,418
where it's just

1550
01:39:07,418 --> 01:39:09,338
you come with your five favorite

1551
01:39:09,338 --> 01:39:11,258
independent songs,

1552
01:39:11,258 --> 01:39:13,058
which we can actually play on the show.

1553
01:39:13,358 --> 01:39:14,578
And then we'll just play them in chat.

1554
01:39:14,838 --> 01:39:19,218
So maybe you guys could come for that one at some point.

1555
01:39:19,638 --> 01:39:20,298
That'd be cool.

1556
01:39:21,438 --> 01:39:22,598
This was very fun.

1557
01:39:23,478 --> 01:39:24,518
Yeah, super fun.

1558
01:39:24,598 --> 01:39:25,858
And thank you for having us again.

1559
01:39:25,938 --> 01:39:27,358
Always happy to be here.

1560
01:39:28,198 --> 01:39:28,678
Awesome.

1561
01:39:29,138 --> 01:39:32,258
And thank you to our live stream listeners.

1562
01:39:32,698 --> 01:39:34,118
I think, Lahav, you were right.

1563
01:39:34,238 --> 01:39:36,798
The stream did die at some point towards the end.

1564
01:39:36,898 --> 01:39:38,698
We lost the last 10 minutes.

1565
01:39:39,478 --> 01:39:41,038
So, I mean, I'm going to thank them.

1566
01:39:41,038 --> 01:39:44,218
but there's no one to hear me, at least on the live stream.

1567
01:39:45,038 --> 01:39:49,178
And then thank you to our listeners of the podcast.

1568
01:39:49,458 --> 01:39:55,118
I hope you are listening on a podcasting 2.0 app like Fountain.

1569
01:39:55,638 --> 01:39:58,738
And if you are on Fountain, we would appreciate it

1570
01:39:58,738 --> 01:40:00,078
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1571
01:40:00,598 --> 01:40:02,578
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1572
01:40:03,058 --> 01:40:08,038
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1573
01:40:08,038 --> 01:40:10,658
Joe Martin hit that boost button

1574
01:40:10,658 --> 01:40:12,298
when the song is playing

1575
01:40:12,298 --> 01:40:14,698
and 90% of your

1576
01:40:14,698 --> 01:40:16,218
sats will go to Joe

1577
01:40:16,218 --> 01:40:18,258
thank you everyone

1578
01:40:18,258 --> 01:40:20,838
and I will see you next week

1579
01:40:38,038 --> 01:40:42,038
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