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Welcome to Sunday Brunch.
Good morning, good afternoon and good evening, you beautifully brilliant browsers of boundless bandwidth.
Welcome to the second serving of Sunday Brunch.
And today is, you guessed it, Sunday.
It is the 18th of January and very much brunch time on the east coast of the United States,
which can only mean one thing.
Your favorite music on the lightning-laced airwaves.
This is not your regular podcast.
I don't have any questions prepared.
I don't have a sermon, and I won't be asking our guest about Austrian economics.
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Now, on with the show.
My guest today is a man containing multiple multitudes.
Rod Palmer from the Bitcoin Bugle is here, and he's brought his own playlist with him.
We're going to spin some tracks.
We're going to talk about whatever topics emerge in the silences between the music
and give everyone listening a chance to enter this decompression chamber after a long week.
So, crack open that bottle of bubbly and top up your mimosa.
Rod Palmer, welcome to Sunday Brunch.
Thank you so much for having me.
I want to know, is the multiple multitudes, is that a compliment or is that a comment on the weight?
On my weight.
You are.
I did watch Mr. Greaser's video on heroes.
and it did appear that you skipped a few of your gym sessions, Mr. Palmer.
Well, I don't skip the gym session.
I skip the cardio.
Ah, so it's mostly muscle then underneath that suit.
Right, you know, it's the fourth turn.
But you need to be strong.
You need to have the strength and the endurance, yeah.
Love it.
Well, so Rod, what does a typical Sunday
or a Sunday brunch for that matter
look like in the Palmer household?
Sunday's a great day for podcasting.
Sunday's a great day for
clearing your head
and doing some work
when there's no expectations.
There's no meetings.
There's no work calls.
You just get a lot of time.
Some people use it for
if they ever ask.
Some people,
and it's good for all those things,
but I like to be in the
like to be in the studio or the office,
just working on you, like to just...
Now, it is an interesting duality
that any podcaster faces.
On the one hand, there is the pull
of listening to 40 hours of podcasts a week,
but there's also the pull of needing to create
almost 40 hours of podcasts a week,
or if not, at least spending 40 hours
on creating a podcast.
how does uh how do you deal with that it's time the time management's very important
some people start the week on sunday some people end it on sunday i'm a it's the end of the week
for me um so i have no problem getting the 40 hours in monday through friday uh sometimes early
uh just listening hardcore every day early morning start early morning and then go throughout the day
sometimes to the late at night so by the time i get to the weekend it's it's almost like a wild
card um i can kind of i can record i can create i can listen to extra bonus hours uh it's it's
really a clean slate it is just kind of depends on my mood but if you're newer to it it's you
really just got to lock down the habits um and just get a really disciplined routine of listening
and recording um you kind of like to find the the right rhythm for yourself sometimes some people
like to do one hour listening one hour recording one hour listening one hour recording and some
people are able to really uh switch contexts very quickly and seamlessly that way i'm not i have to
kind of bash it together and to take blocks of one or the other.
Yeah, well, I mean, you do need to be a bit of a renaissance man or renaissance woman in
some cases to balance this incredibly challenging weight of being a podcaster and podcast listener.
And I think you're doing a great job.
But Rod, today you've come with a playlist.
and to those listening to the live stream
you can see that in the screen share
our podcast audience will not be able to
so do you want to talk about the first song
that you'd like to play for us?
Yes, the Remnant will subscribe
so the Remnant is a
it's a concept or a meme
or an idea that is
written about it's met down multiple places in history and mythology and cultures um and one of
the common ones it's if people are familiar with the book of isaiah and the bible the rend it's a
small group who survive the judgment and they will be restored this symbolizes hope and uh
like the enduring promise and so it's kind of like in this industry if you if you've been around
for a long time it's it was a small group of people who kind of got it the 40 hours listeners
right and as as things become more as the culture becomes more mainstream as it is it grows and
there's more people that come in it kind of the some people notice or maybe they gripe about it
they think that the the message gets watered down a little bit it becomes a little bit um
to to normie or whatever you want to call it right it it maybe they call it plebslop
it's sloppified there's a million different ways that you can look at it but if you if you stay on
a frontier kind of a pioneering with the technology pioneering with the advancement of
um the culture in general the you'll there will always be this friend who kind of survives each
wave uh there'll be you know bear markets there'll be these events that kind of wash people out take
the um the detached walls or the tourists and they'll lose interest they disappear
but the remnant will subscribe
they will continue to
kind of be there and survive each of these
you know quote unquote
mass extinction events
where most of the people kind of
lose interest move on or just something
happens and they just they don't make
it like these like the
the um the trove
like and then ngmi
you're not going to make it that's most
people but the but the remnant
kind of sticks around and that kind of
is a pattern that repeats all throughout history um and if you keep that in mind if you feel kind
of like sometimes you get dis disheartened or frustrated and you feel like it's it's such a
small group and you in it's you wonder if this message is going to really survive into the future
it's kind of one of those
memes or ideas that you can fall back on
and be reminded of
well
Rod that's
that is a profound thought
to get our Sunday brunch
started and this is one of your
songs correct
yes it is
we'll get into it I guess
the difference between the Rod Palmer and the eCash Sailor.
But this is one of mine.
I think it came out roughly back in September, August.
So it's not brand new, but it's not real old either.
Excellent.
Well, this is Remnant Will Subscribe by none other than Rod Palmer himself.
I heard a voice in the static
Whom shall I send to the supine crowd?
So I let the signal tune the dial
Whisper the truth out loud
Prophecy wrapped in feedback
A corpressed to restless lives
Most will wander deaf and blind
But a revenant waits for this
Though the silence answers no
Still every echo's a sacred sign
Every rhythm a holy line
This is the sound of the ram and our life
Humming along on a midnight drive
Everyone else fades into the night
But the faithful few still catch the light
The remnants will subscribe
We speak in riddles and thunder
Dreams disguise this melody
The multitudes laugh in their slumber
But the remnant leans in carefully
The nation's scattered blind and still
Hearts too heavy, ears too filled
But somewhere out there, the shadow's gone
A chosen few still sing along
They won't get it, they never will
The heart of the masses stays dark and still
But somewhere out there, headphones on
A chosen few know the familiar song
I said, send me, I'll go, though the world may never know.
Not here for crowns, not here for fame, just a chorus without a name.
This is the sound of the remnant born, echoes of truth in the digital storm.
Everyone else strips out of range
But the faithful few replay again
The red net will subscribe The red Nets will subscribe
Ooh, ooh, ooh!
That was Remnant Will Subscribe
by Rod Palmer.
Rod, is that you on vocals?
And if so, did you have to use a voice changer
to get that smooth, natural tone?
Yeah, before I record any new music,
I have to take a week off of the Maru Perets
to let the voice, the vocal cords relax,
smooth out a little bit,
so I can sing.
Let's be honest,
everybody's using a little bit of auto tune a little bit of digital you know production to
make things sound a little smoother a little bit better so um yeah i did i do have i do have some
some banging chords now did you do you play guitar do you play any other instruments
uh i i played the the uh the harmonica and the uh uh the the accordion for the most part
but i've got a team of you know excellent rockers who come in to do my background uh you know play
guitar play the uh play in the face do the drums somebody to hit the keyboard um they're they're
They're a great group.
Great group down in Austin.
Nice.
Is that where you're based?
Yes, yes.
Right next to some of the best barbecue in all the countries.
So that's partially why I've got a multitude of multitudes.
Now, there is some...
I mean, there's obviously the Bitcoin Park,
which is formerly known as Bitcoin Commons in Austin,
but there's also the Web5 initiative that's happening in Austin,
which our friend Shadrach is the pointy end of the spear on that.
Are you involved in that at all?
I'm not. I've not been invited.
I love Shadrach.
He's one of my boys who smoke non-KYC cigarettes all the time.
but you know i'm very busy i've got journalism i got podcasting i've got music i've got a lot
going on but uh when things slow down a little bit i'm sure i will be able or hopefully able
to collab with shadrach some more yeah well richard greaser in the stream chat uh just said
that he was invited to web5 i think that might make for an awkward conversation rod
at your next podcast.
Richard, that's interesting.
He didn't even tell me about that.
Sometimes it's a little awkward
to find out about something.
But not until Zap.stream, right?
You could have at least told me in the group chat.
It was, yes, it was posted in a public forum
on Zap.stream.
The good news is the chats are ephemeral
on Zap.stream.
So it's only the 20, 30 odd people listening now who know that.
In the feds, you might be recording it.
And then, of course, all the people who are going to be listening to this on Fountain, which will be...
Oh, yeah.
I did forget about that.
By the way, Rod, as you can see, I'm screen sharing a Fountain playlist.
Did you know you could make playlists in Fountain?
I knew you could make podcast playlists in Fountain.
I was unaware until you told me about this, that you could do the music playlists.
I don't typically use Fountain for the music streaming quite as much because when I first, you know, was exposed to it or when I first found it, the UX was a little bit rough around.
So I just I was like, well, this is what seemed like it's all kind of propagating from Wavelake or some other source.
So I just continued to use Wavelate.
But now that I have used the fountain music,
like the chart,
and I found all the artist profiles
and saw that you can make playlists,
I definitely will be using that more often.
Yeah, you know, this is not a particularly well-known fact.
I had Oscar on last week as the first guest for Sunday Brunch.
And I was mentioning to him the same thing,
that not too many people know
that Fountain's actually a pretty good
independent music app
apart from being a podcasting app as well.
And any music in this open music ecosystem, right?
Value for value ecosystem,
if you push it to podcast index,
if you push it to Wavelake,
it will show up in Fountain
because it's over RSS.
And I think they're building
a lot of cool artist onboarding tools
as well. So it's really interesting to see all of these apps coming up, Wave Lake, Fountain,
competing not just in the podcast space, but in the open music space as well.
Now, maybe you can correct me if I'm wrong. Last I checked, you weren't able to boost
songs on Fountain, like you could do, for example, on a podcast episode. Is that coming soon or is
that available now i think that's an important feature right is being able to uh these your
favorite songs and then having those show up like in the activity feed to other people and say oh
this is people like this song i should check this out well why don't we try a hands-on experiment
right now rod and uh i'll have to describe it because our podcast audience cannot see the
screen share, but I will go to
but a live audience can
so let me go to the playlist that I have
open, let me see what I
could do, I'm going to click on
one of your songs
I'm going to click on
Remnant will subscribe
and I'm going to see if I can
see there's a
if you can see the screen
there's a lightning emoji
this is promising
so I'm going to
type, I clicked on the lightning emoji
I clicked on 1000 sats
and I'm going to say testing
boost
boost for songs
on fountain
so
the podcast audience can go to the remnant
will subscribe song and if this
actually works
but this is on my computer so this is going to be
interesting I probably have the
here hold on I'm going to pull up
a lightning invoice
the revolution will have
bad UX, Rod.
Somebody on
Zapp.stream might get to this
before you do.
Is the invoice showing?
Well, let me just do it.
No, it's not showing. It doesn't look. Let me see.
It's all right. I'm going to do it.
It is. It is showing you.
Well, I've done it. There you go, Rod.
There you go. You can see
the 1000SAT
boost went through
and it says testing boost
for songs on Fountain.
they found needs to uh to make to market this a little bit more to post about it a little bit more
the i did i remember i think it was osfer was on what they coined did and this was
probably close to two years ago maybe longer and they were talking about bringing in music into the
app into the experience and that it was going to they were going to have music shows like music
podcasts and it was they were going to create which is you can do now so you can split the
the boosts um you can already do payment splits for like an episode but you can set it up so that
depending on whose music is playing or whatever content is streaming into your ears and when you
boost it or when you're boosting automatically as you listen like those sets go to for example
the artist whose music is playing while you're zapping it or while you're basing it i thought
that was very interesting right and so that's how i learned about it um but it seems like there's
been a lot of new features that they in functionality and the apps really improved the
experience has improved um you know i know they i know those guys do work hard i know they are
they do market when they can but um hey they should they should do it they should be proud
of what they're building.
They should throw us about it a little more often.
Yeah.
Oscar, if you're listening, you heard it here.
But Rod, what you said about the artist,
the boost going to the artist.
So that's exactly how this podcast,
Sunday Brunch, is set up.
And even the flagship podcast that I do,
the Friday's Plep Chain Radio main show,
I've started playing music on there.
And what I do is when I'm uploading the episode,
and I use Fountain as my hosting provider,
So in the podcast, I guess, terminal, I add a music reference.
I just, all I have to do is say what, type in what timestamp the song begins.
It's very simple.
And I'm going to do this for this episode as well.
Once we're done, I'll give the timestamp for all of the songs.
So if someone is streaming sats, for instance, right?
If they're streaming, let's just say 100 sats a minute.
when you and I are talking right now,
at this point, you will get 50 of those sats
and I will get 50 of those sats.
The show will.
But when the song is playing,
90 of the sats go to the musician
for the three or four minutes the song's playing
and then the remaining 10 sats will be split
five and five between you and the show.
So it's actually a pretty cool feature.
I think this is more of an RSS feature.
It's called Value Time Splits.
And it's really cool. I think more people should be doing that.
I've started doing that on Black Chain Radio about a month or so ago.
And one of the goals for this show is to support independent artists that way.
I think it's really interesting. I think it's really innovative.
I think it's very early, obviously.
We say it's a stereotype at this point, but it is very early.
but I think that there's so many creative ways that you can,
you can support artists, support creators, um,
and just find ways to stream value.
But like the way that it works with the way it is,
like it's split up based on the content. I don't know.
It's I'll have to think about it more, but it's, it is.
anytime I go down this rabbit hole
is very intriguing.
Yeah, you're right.
I mean, maybe there could be
some kind of logic engine in the background
that's listening to the transcript
or something for the content
and comes up with splits.
The other interesting thing
that Oscar mentioned is coming
is for,
so they're going to start having live streams
directly from Fountain, right?
Now, this one that I'm doing
is actually on my personal,
my home instance of Zap.stream that I'm running.
But because of Nostra's interoperability,
it goes all over Nostra.
You can listen or watch this on Primal.
You can watch it on Fountain.
You can watch it wherever else.
But Fountain's going to roll out native live streams.
Again, these will be Nostra live streams.
So they'll be available all over Nostra.
But because you're doing it natively through Fountain,
I think they're coming up with a feature
that's going to allow the zaps
that come in during the live stream
to be split as well.
So that's interesting
because I was looking into,
so for example,
we've had some folks on the live stream
zappers already,
but all of those zaps,
I'm sorry to say, Rod,
are going straight to me.
But it would be cool
if I could figure out how to do that split
so that when,
like at this point in the conversation,
right, if someone sends a big zap
on zap.stream,
half of it goes to you, half of it goes to me.
And then when the song's playing,
we mimic that 90% split that happens.
So really cool stuff coming down the pike.
Rod, why don't we move on to your next song on the list?
And I think this one is called Looking For Real Ones And this is another one of yours Do you want to talk a little bit about this now Or should we wait for the song to play and you want to talk about it then i just wanted to say about the found thing real quick ben looking forward to the ability to do live streams directly to the
found app we'll be doing that as soon as it's available um but i think from looking for real
ones let's listen to it first you know we can talk about it afterwards and then i let you tell
me if you think that you understand a theme because this one has, you know, people like it,
but I just, I don't know if enough people kind of grasped the message when I put it out.
All right. This is Looking for Real Ones by Rod Palmer.
I've been scrolling through the network like a ghost in chains
Nose talk tough, but they sound the same
Every wallet got a bio, every pleb got a lane
But I can't tell who's human or just train that way
Yeah, yeah, I'm in search of real ones
Lost in the manpool, swimming through reruns
Fake notes everywhere, claiming we're peers
But the seagulls in the mirror, whispering cheers
Yeah, yeah, I'm in search of real ones
Move for life in the field of reruns
Fake peers, fake fear, fake love, fake deal
Don't know who's real or what's revealed
They tokenized trauma, meant it for clout
Algorithmic empathy, now it's sold out
AI profit spitting white paper songs
While the devs debug dreams in Solana palms
I remember when the blocks fell warm
Now it's cold bots running all this storms
It's like truth's too slow for the feet to show
And the hardest money can't buy a soul
Everything's verified, nothing's true
Even Satoshi couldn't sign this view
Consensus can't save what the crowd misreads
When our hearts offline and the cold can't bleed
Yeah, I'm in search of real ones
Lost in a menpool, swimming through reruns
Fake notes everywhere, claiming we're peers
But the symbols in the mirror, whispering cheers
Yeah, yeah, I'm in search of real ones
Proof of life in a field of reruns
Fake peers, fake fear, fake love, fake yield
Don't know who's real or what's revealed
One minute you're building sovereignty.
Next thing you know, your nose talking back with a personality.
They said, don't trust, verify.
Now I don't trust anything I've verified.
Maybe that's the vibe, maybe that's the block space high.
Or maybe it's just me trying to find real ones before I die.
If you're out there, blink once.
If you're cold, don't front.
This change long, this mind's numb.
But I still believe in someone.
Yeah, I'm still in search of real ones.
That was Looking for Real Ones by Rod Palmer.
And Rod, you will have to tell me what the song is about.
Sure.
I think I know.
but I'd love to hear your view on it.
I think, I can't remember the term,
maybe you guys use a different term,
but it was something you guys were really exploring
on Planet Chain and on Noster in general
a few months ago or sometime last year.
It was kind of related to the dead internet theory.
Are you familiar with dead internet theory?
Absolutely, yeah.
That was the dark Noster and dead internet theory period.
I think that was sometime in the summer or late spring of last year.
Right.
Yes.
Then in our theory, it's this idea that the internet's just interacting with bots, NTCs.
There's a lot of different terms for it.
And then sometime in the early spring of last year, on the Bugle, we talked a lot about,
and this was actually even going into the you know late 2024 was the it was going to be like this
information war on social media and it really um wrapped up during the election like the political
cycle of 2024 where it was and then they made likes on x private so you didn't know
it gave any content like the the amount of engagements retweets etc like it looked
very popular but it was like is this a civil attack is this if it seems like there's a large
civil attack going on in social media on the internet in general and then it really revved
up again with questions of is this a civil sort of campaign with the knots nodes um where it's like
are these people are this is this many users running knots or is are these numbers for core
legitimate or are people spinning up a bunch of nodes on uh you know like aws for example to make
it seem like there's a lot of people running one of these flavors of these node clients
and it's hard to know it's hard to know that it takes a lot of like critical self-awareness and
like it just looked like an example on x right is you might see something that has a hundred thousand
likes and tens of thousands of retreats but maybe 20 replies and 19 of those 20 replies are all
telling the person the original post whatever it's critical of it they're telling they're calling
them idiots they're saying this sucks we hate you blah blah and it's like a hundred thousand people
like this 25 000 people retweeted it but only 20 people took the time to reply and all of those
replies were negative that's interesting that's suspicious to me and so the song is just kind of
about it's a it's a light satirical take on i'm looking for real signal i'm looking for real
interactions um on the internet because it all feels fake and and i will say rod x twitter is
now the poster child and it has been for the last year or more for the dead internet theory and and
and the thing is with llms now uh if they if an llm composes a long enough post you can
you can spot the telltale signs right too many m dashes uh the the sort of rhetorical contrast
clauses like it's not x semicolon it's y or speaking in threes right or saying things like
those sets of threes, right?
No X, no Y, no Z
just some
typical templates
you can spot that in long enough LLM writing
but when it's short and compressed
it gets a little harder
because there's not enough breathing room
for these telltale signs to come out
and a lot of these open source LLMs especially
are almost free at this point to use,
especially for short text notes.
So it does feel like X is a complete barren wasteland.
The engagement seems hollow, if it exists at all.
And I've got to say, you know, look, NOSTA has its issues.
primarily the primary issue being there are not enough people on it
but the few who are here
the conversations feel a lot more authentic
and I don't know if there are too many other places on the internet
where this happens
Totally, yeah
and something I forgot to mention in the explanation
was that as you mentioned
And AI has exacerbated the problem.
I mean, infinitely, right?
And it's only going to get worse.
And you talked about, like, there are telltale signs.
Somebody like myself or you, we listen to 40 hours of Bitcoin podcasts per week,
constantly online monitoring the situation.
We're very skinny.
Even I can get fooled.
Even the best, or like not even, I wouldn't even put it as the best,
but the most experienced the most aware to be fooled by this stuff and if you're a normie if
you're a boomer on facebook for example like these guys are going to get one-shotted by these civil
campaigns these dead internet theory you know ai bots who are intentionally trying to rile them up
mislead them emotionally manipulate them demoralize them like this is all it's all part of the mix
And you're right, X is, it's terrible.
But part of the reason for that is that's where the most, that's where the most people are.
That's where the most competition for attention and platform awareness is at right now.
But it's definitely seeped over.
YouTube is terrible.
I mean, YouTube, if you just kind of let the algorithm play videos for you, like you start to just get into pure AI slop.
and is very low effort, some sort of underhanded agenda
to manipulate your mind.
I think it's just the beginning.
I think it's going to get a lot worse.
And I think this is where Nostra has an opportunity to shine.
Right now with the limited user base, limited daily active users,
is probably a few thousand at best.
I know if you look at some stats website,
it's going to tell you it's 20, 30,000.
I don't think it's that high.
I probably think it's the few thousand range.
But there is far more authentic interaction there.
And then if you look at the quality of engagement
in general on the internet, right?
I think the two things to be wary of
is one, spams and scams, these civil attacks.
But the other is discovery and curation,
finding things that you actually like.
And there are efforts on Noster to build out
Web of Trust infrastructure that will, I think,
be able to filter out spams and scams pretty easily
and also create a better discovery and curation experience
along with it.
So I think there's the early days,
but I think there's a lot to be optimistic about.
yes i am i'm bullish on web of trust and i'm bullish i i think to be bullish on nostr
requires a lower time preference and i think going back to the first song the remnant and
the idea behind the remnant is right now nostr is it at least you can think of it even if you're
maybe frustrated about it's uh the time it has taken to really take off and to grow to be a
a little bit more popular it is a great place for the remnant to organize and to stay connected
and to communicate and to continue uh working on things in the meat space uh and stay connected
that way um while the you know the civil you know world war three or whatever you want to call it
that internet theory is just raging on these other platforms.
Yeah.
I think authentic content will become such a rare commodity.
Authentic conversations even,
that there is an opportunity for any platform,
any protocol to seize upon that.
All right, Rod.
So why don't we move on to the third song on your list.
This is not by you, though.
This is by a character called, or a person called E. Cash Sailor.
And the song is called Plebs Slop Pity Party.
But before we get into it, who is E. Cash Sailor?
E. Cash Sailor is a young man.
We like to refer to Zoomers, they add the characteristic broccoli haircut hairstyle.
And E. Cash Sailor is, if people are familiar with a former core maintainer, Shinobi, it's his nephew.
And Shinobi's nephew, E. Cash Sailor, he's somebody that he saw with myself and Richard and people on Tinder and some of this value for value in the music community were doing.
And he wanted to get into it. He wanted to produce some music that was trendy and like would be well received by his generation, the broccoli haircuts.
So I've been mentoring you cash sailor and helping him produce his own his own music.
And it's all it's all on Wave Lake and obviously on Fountain as well.
Um, so if you're, if you know somebody who's, you know, a young, a young individual, early
twenties, late teens, and they're kind of into the, like the SoundCloud rapper or the
TikTok rap that type of music um you can put them on the eCash Sailor and eCash Sailor is you know it not he not rapping about drugs and partying and like nihilistic things He is rapping about you know sound money the value for value community the Bitcoin culture
So it's it's it's something that they can listen to and not have brain rot.
Excellent.
and Glen Slop Pity Party, just for a little bit of background,
is the broccoli hair consumers kind of take on the plebs battling it out,
gore versus not, the spam fights.
It's just kind of a younger person's and outsider's perspective.
This is Glen Slop Pity Party by E. Cash Saylor.
Is Bitcoin dead?
Did somebody spam a block?
Should we throw a funeral?
Nah, fam, it's a pity party
Bring your slot buckets and your block explorers
OMG, there's JPEGs in my blockchain suit
Better call the V squad, rally up the troops
Some kid paid 30 sats to ride a frog in the chain
Now Twitter's crying doom like the sky's spilling rain
Max is losing sleep cause a meme coin's vibing
No still sync though, so why y'all diving?
Our fees are too high, it's the end, it's the end
Nah bro, go touch grass or at least a girlfriend
You say it's dying, I say you're coping
Locks still flowing, laser eyes still open
Bitcoin's broken, wow such a side
Did you learn that from Reddit overnight fry?
So welcome to the pleb slot pity party
Everyone's invited, even Matt and Marty
Chain's still clean, world keeps spinning
No, stay winning, Bitcoin not quitting
Pleb slot pity party, crying to your balls
Spam ain't the threat, your vibes took the toll
Remember when they said TikTok would kill us?
Now they're mad, ordinal's got gorillas
McDonald's is hiring, tweeted out enraged
Bro, Bitcoin's fine, you just stuck in a cage
Fees go up, cool miners eating steak
Meanwhile you starve on takes you can't fix
Spam attack, they scream from the basement
I'm filming this rap in a sponsored statement
So raise a glass of your salty tears
To the fragile boys and their phantom fear
Blocks ain't full of problems, they're full of life
Build something real, you're log off alright
Slap, slap, pity party, welcome to the weave
You can cry about fees or go build something deep
Blockchain still solid, your takes are just fake
Bitcoin don't break, cause you're having a shake
Slap, slap, pity party
Welcome to the weep
You can cry about fees
Or go build something deep
Bitcoin doesn't care about your feelings
Only your keys.
Stay mad, stay broke.
Stay blocked.
That was Pleb Slop Pity Party by E-Cash Sailor.
Rod, I do have a question about broccoli haircuts.
Are they the same as Edgar's?
So, the Edgar haircut is the broccoli haircut of the global staff.
So, you know, American Zoomers, they have typically, if you have a broccoli haircut, they typically have like a wavier, curlier hair.
Places like El Salvador, Latin America, people tend to have straighter hair.
So the Edgar is like a slight variation of the broccoli haircut.
Ah, I see.
So basically, the broccoli haircut is the Edgar with curly hair.
That makes sense.
speaking, Edgar or Broccoli-Hair kind of Zimmers,
they're just a little bit wild.
They're like the wild Mustang.
She got to break them a little bit.
Was that, did he finally buckle to the pressure from the IMF with the ban?
It's hard to know because they allegedly did,
and the IMF said they did, but then QKLA and the, you know,
So the government announced out where they still post that they buy a Bitcoin every day
and then they've been buying Bitcoin.
So in defiance of the IMF.
So it's, I don't know the situation, honestly.
I only know what I get from headlines from Simply Bitcoin.
Yeah, it is hard to know what to believe anymore,
especially when you're dealing with the dead internet on top of everything else.
Rod, why don't we move on to your next song?
this one is another e-cash sailor number and it's called glazed and confused and for
gen xers like myself who might be somewhat unfamiliar with an increasingly popular term
that's uh enter the vernacular called glaze or it's past tense glazed could you help uh fill that
gap yeah glazing is like when you're just you're you're speaking up a person some content an idea
you're just you're acting like a cheerleader or a public relations um professional whose job it is
to make it seem painted in the best light possible even if that doesn't tell the whole truth of the
whole story sometimes you could consider it lying by omission glazed also it's kind of a
it's like a a double meaning it can kind of have a like you're glazing somebody it sounds like you're
uh you know blowing them or you know it's got like a sexual thing to it where it's kind of an
insult like why would you glaze that or why would you glaze that person so it's it's it's a very
broad term again very popular with uh the tiktok generation but this song glazed and confused and
like the the broader uh use of the word glaze by e-cash is about this unnatural dynamic especially
like in the bitcoin industry and in broader industry where it seems like to get to be on the
end to succeed in pod comp, to have your product or your work be featured and, um, supported by
like the, the popular community or the mainstream, it's, it requires you to do a lot of glazing.
You got to glaze the right people. You have to, the conversation has to be kind of fake,
inorganic and just unnecessarily polite. And then there's a lot of, a lot of problems and a lot of
second order effects that kind of happen in the industry in your life and community when
people cease to tell the truth and be honest and focus on glazing
i think that makes sense we did need a new word for it i think it's a it's a i'm surprised we
didn't come up with a with a german word for it because in german you have these incredibly long
compound words that can mean
really complicated feelings.
Well, this is the beauty of the English
language.
It ends up in the stream, in the chat.
Richard Greaser says,
Avi glazes Noster.
So that's an example, I guess.
Excellent.
Excellent. Alright.
Glazed and Confused
by E. Cash Sailor.
Everybody smile that like it's mandatory Copy paste the slop, same inventory
Love this, you're doing great Nobody mean it but we participate
Pop song stuck in my head like blue Every brand talking like they know me too
He a star but he's a template to you Same hoodie, same tape, same sponsor, truth
Yeah, blaze, hey, he's stuck in them days Avoid the reality just bitchin' for praise
Plenty of facts, but where's the honesty?
Just searching for more high constantly
Blaze, hey, boomer malaise
No self-awareness when plebs love pays
Plays inflation, but we can't get a rate
Same song, I repeat every single day
Whole time, lines smell like flattery
Polite, lights tag like a charity
Everybody valid, everybody's seen
Nobody's saying what they actually think
If you disagree, do it quietly
That a heart emoji, softened the honesty
It's not faith, it's community
Say less, not more, protect the unity
Glazed haze, caught in a mane
Not feeling bullish, better find a way
Smiling through things that feel untrue
Call it gross, call it good vibes too
Glazed haze, more lit a phase
Don't mean to offend, let me rephrase
Truth hits heart, so we mute, mute, mute
No harsh perspectives, keep it light
Keep it small.
I don't want to be brave online.
I just want to say not sometimes.
But every thought got a pass from you.
By the group chat and the comic queue.
They say be real.
But not like that.
Be authentic.
Just don't make it awkward, man.
So we glaze it up.
Instead of keep it real.
Forget that we're just cogs in the wheel.
Yeah.
Everybody glowing.
Nobody home.
Confused by me
Love me
That was Glazed and Confused by E-Cash Sailor.
So Rod, what is the trajectory you think
E-Cash Sailor is going to take?
And how many songs does he have so far?
E-Cash Sailor's got tons of potential.
Let me find his way for it here so he can see his song.
Because he actually got a new song that just came out today
that we didn't get in time for the stream,
but it's called Slap Culture.
And it's a take on pop culture has become slop culture.
Everything is A.I. slop, some sort of slop, easy slop.
And it's it's not just the culture, right?
It's from politics, economics, corporate governance.
Everything is just lazy.
The pessimist pessimism is every it's just sloppy.
Everything's sloppy.
And it's it's it's bleeding out into our culture.
And unfortunately, people love slop.
So it's not going away anytime soon.
But eCash has nine songs now.
And the album Broccoli Flows is actually going to be coming out this month.
So look for that.
It's going to be on the broader.
You're going to be able to get it on Spotify, Amazon Music, et cetera.
So you can share with friends and family who are a little bit afraid of the user experience on the value for value platforms as they're developing.
but you can also have a chance to say,
if you want to listen to this stuff and you want to get the new stuff,
you don't want to wait for the next album,
check out found and check out wave,
like check out these other alternative platforms,
get on Nostra.
So hopefully that will be a,
you know,
an onboarding funnel to get people,
more people checking out the value for value community.
But yeah,
I mean,
he cash,
he's,
he's just cranking out content.
He's got a lot of energy.
That's as broccoli here can tend to do.
Yeah. Well, it's being channeled in a constructive direction. So all is not lost for the youth after all. But I want to go back to something you said, which is the people seem to love slop. And there is, we were talking about the dead internet theory, which is almost everything on X and these other platforms.
You know, I was looking at, I don't have a Facebook account, but my wife does.
And she was scrolling her feed and she was showing me some of the videos that just show up there.
And apparently this is popular on Facebook for whatever reason.
Oh, boomers love it.
It's these crazy animal.
attack things where you know some giant uh saber-toothed tiger jumps out jumps into a home
and attacks someone uh or you know deer running through a glass window and it's it's clearly fake
it's good but people jumping on a trampoline in the backyard somebody's like recording up there
and they got bears jumping on a trampoline or they got it's a lot animal cute animals doing
goofy stuff like my mom loves you know cats or boys they start dancing in the kitchen and yo yeah
my my point that people love slop is that the timeline and you see this on facebook just like
you mentioned real content real art real news etc like it's being replaced by sora 2 videos like
vo3 videos anything that people can make with slop that kind of it at first i thought maybe
would have to seem really realistic to fool people.
But I think that just like other forms of content,
like television shows, sitcoms, movies,
people are willing to suspend disbelief
and enjoy a little bit of slop.
Enjoy the fear of having a polar bear, like you said,
crash through your picture window in your home
and eat your Christmas presents while you're watching
Home Alone 2 or something.
yeah and and let's not forget music as well right with murica and suno and some of these other ones
yudio i think is another one um a lot of the music out there uh is slop as well
it's a sloppy world slop culture i'm telling you slop culture is is the is the next wave
but what do real artists do though what do real filmmakers
but uh real musicians yeah that's the that's the question right because slop is the new orory
if you're a pop artist or you're the music industry the traditional music industry and it
costs you millions of dollars to to find these artists to develop them and to put out an album
and it's no better than sunoslop you're not going to make it so it's it's going to compress
the the price of of music for example and a lot of content is going to be it's going to go to zero
so you're going to have to find new ways to stand out and to be popular to be interesting um it
doesn't i don't think that traditional artists are necessarily screwed from i mean they can use
these tools as well like if there are their content their ideas the the care the personalities
that they cultivate are just going to have to compete with the slot yeah and and that's actually
a good point rod that slop is the new hurdle rate and art will collapse to the marginal cost of
utility whatever that might be you see yeah the the cost of art is now measured in in gpus instead
of um you know being condensed around like los angeles or nashville or any of these other cultural
centers and i know the ones in the united states the one day and you know it's they they're all
over the world but i said if that doesn't matter anymore you can be anywhere and you can create
slop and if you're talented you can create slop that's as good as the professionals are making
and i think you know we've gotten this app upstream you've got to like uh you've got
exceptions to this um scardust is it in his exception to this it's a legacy it's an
an artist a band that existed before the slop and they're going to exist after the slop because it's
it's it's a unique sound it's real talent it's that's going to survive but like taylor swift
luckily she you know she's married she's probably gonna start a family because her career is going
to be hard to keep up with her personality may sustain her for a while because the fans are
really fans of her and her music is arguably just you know you could switch it out with anything but
if you don't have that like it's going to be tough and that is another good point rod which is
the average person creating AI slop,
whether it's music, film, websites,
it's going to be obvious that it is AI.
It's going to be low effort.
It's going to follow a handful of templates.
But there will be folks who,
and you can see this with AI websites as well, right?
They vibe-coded websites.
They all tend to look the same
because they use the same JavaScript libraries
and CSS templates and what have you.
It's derivative, yeah.
Yeah, but there are some people
who figured out how to hack that system
and work around that.
And even though they're vibe coding these websites,
they don't look vibe coded.
And the same is going to be true for music.
The same is going to be true for film and other media.
Majority of pleb slop,
majority of slop, I should say,
is going to be slop.
and fairly obvious,
but there will be a few people
with just that little bit of effort
who are going to use AI
as that force multiplier,
but still do the,
you know, not do the work
that a real artist would have to do, right?
Still be able to produce something on par.
And that's really not that different
from what I guess is it today
or from yesterday, right?
Like anybody could write a poem.
anybody can write lyrics to a song anybody could write a movie script the production that goes into
it um it caught it is a much higher cost and it's it's much difficult more difficult for the average
person with especially with no funding to be able to produce like the end product that they could
sell whether it's a song or have a poem published or write a book and have it published then it
to bring it to market, the production
costs have been collapsed down
so now anybody can make something that kind of
sounds professionally produced
but like you said, like
the average person, even with the
access to these tools,
I've met multiple people
or I know multiple people who have
discovered this new craze and they've created their
own slop and it is
low quality slop.
So it's
not as
apocalyptic for real artists as it may seem on the surface because at the end of the day
the real artists or their contents just always going to be that elite level is going to be much
better than everything else yeah but popular artists are pretty much doomed i think that
that is a that is a very interesting point um all right rod why don't we speaking of slop uh
your next song is called
Jingle Bell Slop
and it's by you
do you want to talk a little bit
about this song?
Sure, this last one is just
also a plug for
the Bubel, we created
a collection of
Christmas album
that's not available
on Spotify or Waverly because it a condensed product we working on maybe doing that for youtube and finding some other way maybe it the playlist here on fountain but um
jingle bell slop is a is this a christmas song and it's a it's a commentary on what we've just
been talking about for the past 20 minutes which is slop culture slop content and it's a
most Christmas songs at this point,
especially the popular ones,
it's like trad slop.
And so it's kind of a meta commentary satire
on that, and it's a Christmas song.
And I know we're a little past Christmas here,
but I think it's still funny to play today.
This is Jingle Bell Slop by Rod Barber.
Jingle bell, jingle bell, jingle bell slop
Content farm Christmas that just won't stop
Scrolling through cheer like a dopamine drop
Yeah, Santa's optimized for clicks on top
Snowflakes fall like algorithm tricks
Influencer elves doing brand new kicks
Buy more joy is the corporate fix
A mistletoe kiss with a paywall twist
Oh, what fun it is to see
The plebslops serve so merrily
Wrapped in bows of irony
A hallmark heart with no battery
Jingle bell, jingle bell, jingle bell slop
Bobbles of nonsense you can't unstop
We deck these halls till we all just drop
A Christmas made from recycled pop
Jingle bells flop in a sleigh ride haze
Masked ennui with a candy cane glaze
We're singing old songs in new cliché ways
Tinsel on truth but the shine decays
Grandma says honey enjoy the night
But I'm doomed scroll lit by LED lights
It's chestnuts roasting in corporate rights
A festive fight for the cheapest flights
Oh what fun it is to see
The plebs love surf so merrily
Chain and perfect 1080
Sponsored joy from A to D
Jingle bell, jingle bell, jingle bell
Slop, buy one spirit, get one free hop
We toast a hope at the photoshop shop
Merry memes that never quite pop
Ring-a-ling, hear them sing
Tastic angels on a plastic string
If Christmas is a mood, I'm buffering
But the slop still hits like everything
Deck the beat, repeat, repeat
Holiday highs from a peppermint tweet
We chase that cheer like a limited seat
Even our longing sounds offbeat
Oh, what fun it is to be
A slop-fed choir of irony
Laughing through obscurity
Cause Christmas sold the warranty
Jingle bell, jingle bell, jingle bell flop
A merry mess we can't photoshop
But raise your glass till the algorithms stop
Here's to Christmas in all our slop
Kiss her flop
That was Jingle Bell Slop by Rod Palmer
Rod, have you considered playing music on the Bugle this way from the open music ecosystem?
Yeah, we've talked about it.
We do.
We usually feature one of our songs or one of the Catch Sailor songs kind of at the end of every show or maybe at the beginning.
But we sprinkle it.
We've been doing that for quite a while now.
But this format, kind of like what you're doing here, which is really cool.
is, yeah, it's definitely something we're thinking about,
especially on the Intellectual Silk Road series of our podcast
or the behind the podcast when we have a guest on to interview.
So if anybody, like, we have a guest on who's got their own music
or their own content like this, it'd be a great way to feature it.
Yeah, and the other thing is once Fountain has the live streams as well,
you could do a combination of both, right?
That way the musician gets zapped or boosted during their song.
You can set the splits.
Lahav from Scardust in the live stream says he loves Jingle Bell Slop.
I told you the people who are going to love Slop.
Lahav is a man, by the way, who is a true artisan, a craftsman.
and I think his work will easily pass the hurdle rate of slop.
No, no doubt about that.
Yeah.
So Rod, you know, you played five of your songs.
I actually brought one of my own
and I think I did that last episode
and I think I'm going to make it a recurring theme
where the guest brings five
and then I have one of my own.
So, you know, Sundays are usually for rest
but they're also for reflection is that one day of the week we actually have time to look around
at the world and ask how did we get here steve thorne is a musician from southampton and i've
featured him on an earlier show on pleb chain radio a couple of weeks ago and he has a theory
this track is called malice in plunderland it starts with a clip from jfk that feels
more relevant today than it did in 1961.
It's a smooth ride, easy on the ears,
and perfect for a Sunday drive,
but don't let the melody fool you.
The message is a wake-up call.
We are opposed around the world
by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy
that relies primarily on covet means
for expanding its sphere of influence,
on infiltration instead of invasion,
On subversion instead of elections.
On intimidation instead of free choice.
It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tight-knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations.
Its preparations are concealed, not published.
The stakes are buried, not headlined.
Its dissenters are silenced, not praised.
Who said let's rearrange the gallows
We'll have them swaying round the clock
As they fall
Down a hole
Programmed To malice and plunderland Let them all bring that to malice and plunderland
This alone, just so you know
The whistleblowers fear exposure
Maybe a bullet between the eyes
Don't look to my strength for disclosure
Is there the Bastion's of lies?
Watch them fall
Down a hole
Provelled
To Paris and Plunderland
Let them all
Be damned
To Paris and Plunderland
This unknown
Just say no
We've all been living in the Truman Show
On cover on TV
I love to say it's getting better
But I've just been fooling me
Oh, oh, oh, oh
For malice in plunderland
And let them all bring down
To malice in plunderland
Just so long
That was Malice in Plunderland by Steve Thorne.
I love the contrast in that track.
Musically, it's pretty polished.
It's got that easygoing melodic rock feel.
But then you catch the lyrics.
The sewer rats are getting reckless.
The whistleblowers fear exposure.
and then the song's name itself malice in plunderland it certainly describes that feeling
of falling down the rabbit hole only to realize the people running the show aren't just mad hatters
they're looting the place this is a heavyish topic i know for a sunday but steve makes it sound good
the 90 boost splits are in place for this song and every other song played today so make sure you
help support the open music ecosystem with your boosts and streams rod uh what did you think of
the song and have you heard of steve thorne before i have not heard of steve but uh i i definitely
enjoyed the song and it it reminded me of kind of a 90s alt sound which is kind of like where
I was coming to the age in the nineties and like, that was the, the kind of music I liked.
Um, and it takes me back to that time before the slop for, you know, smartphones for social media.
Um, and dad's also, that's like the kind of, the kind of stuff that, um, that sound that you just, you're not going to get from the modern tools we have today.
Um, kind of takes you away from the modern sloppy world we live in.
yeah i was going to say i think it's going to be a bit of a challenge for ai to come up with
something like that and you know i've ever since i started doing music not just on this show but
on on the main blockchain radio show i've been and obviously can't play copyright music
i would love to play scar dust but i can't because they have a label and so i can only play
songs from the open music ecosystem.
And finding music
that you like is really hard
because there are,
you know, it's like the internet
of the early days, right?
How do you search for things?
There's no algorithm.
Maybe Web of Trust or Nostro
will fix that at some point.
But today it's very hard
to find good music
unless, you know,
someone has told you about it
or it's just pure serendipity,
you're just hitting play on a bunch of tracks
and you just find one.
And that's pretty much how I found Steve.
And I played two of his songs on an episode
from a couple of weeks back
where I was doing the read of Max Hillebrand's articles
on The Sovereign Departure.
So you should listen to those, Rubble and Dust
and Who Are, Where You Are.
Those are the two songs I played.
but i was rod i was doing some research on this guy because those two songs are amazing in fact
they're even better than malice and plunderland and i said who is this guy i love this music is
like you said it has that 90s alt rock feel and those two other songs i played were actually more
prog rock and i wasn't able to find much info on this guy uh maybe some passing reference that he
collaborated with genesis and emerson lake palmer in the 80s and 90s but nothing more than that
And apparently this guy suddenly decided to put his albums up on Wavelake a couple of years ago.
So it is interesting.
How do you...
I wonder if you think about some of these artists, these bands or whatever from, you know, maybe the 1980s, even the early 2000s,
that they were like huge commercial successes.
maybe there's not a real label that maybe still has that owns the rights or something like if
people fans of that type of content are gonna like start uploading it on value for value
platforms like wave lake hopefully not uh to take any money or any uh these they get for themselves
hopefully even give it to the artist but i mean let's be realistic i just wonder if that can
that will be a way to help people find and discover some of this good music from the past
that just got buried under everything else in time and uh just in slop every there's just going
to be a whole lot of stuff that people are going to want to go back that authentic that true
or that true feel of music like you just played And there a lot of ways to find it Yeah And I think and this is a common theme not just for music Rod
So I went through a phase in my early 20s
when I watched, and this is back in the late stages
of video cassettes and early stages of,
actually there was Laserdiscs
made a brief appearance around that time.
and then, of course, DVDs.
This is before Blu-ray and certainly well before streaming.
And I went through this phase
when I was watching a lot of the French New Wave classics,
the Italian neorealist movies from the 50s, 60s, and 70s.
And my university had a video library.
And there was also, in New York back then,
there was this Kim's video,
one of those cult locations
where you just go down,
you browse the cassette tapes
and you find just about everything you want.
Maybe a few months back,
I told my wife that,
hey, it'll be nice if you watch one of those classics,
one of those French new wave things.
So we went to Netflix, nothing.
Went to Amazon Prime, nothing.
Went to Apple TV, nothing.
I don't know how you find these things.
And these are, you know,
Jean-Luc Godard,
François Truffaut, Federico Fellini, amazing filmmakers made these incredible works of art.
It's really hard to find them on these modern streaming services.
And that is part of the magic, part of the experience, part of the joy.
before the streaming services even before like napster and like the um quarantine was
finding good music finding new good artists on film things like that he you used to have to go
to like a library or a record store in probably not like one at the mall maybe like something with
old records or old cassettes and he had to like he had to search and if you found something great
and it was like wow this i can almost do this whole album and it's just good from it nobody
knows about this and you would you could share it with your friends you could share it with people
maybe on the internet in the early days you could share it on uh you know irc chat or some kind of
message group and it was it was the joy and the magic of discovering of digging through slop or
quote-unquote slop uh to discover like real good artists or good film and then the joy of being
able to bring that and share that with people that you know will appreciate it that's kind of
gone now it's like music has just become a commodified film is like you can get on any of
these streaming services you have so many options some of it's good some of it's awful some of it's
just whatever uh but that just that that experience has changed drastically and i think if you do this
if you go back and you do make an effort to find what's still out there that is undiscovered
maybe not even in digital format these days uh that's the only way you can get it but like i
i don't know if we'll ever get that truly bad i don't know if young people will ever experience
like what we did growing up um but i hope they can because it was it used to have to sit and wait
if you wanted even hear a populate sign you'd have to sit by the radio all day and hope they
played it or request it yourself and it's just it's not like that anymore yeah did you know rod
that there is a small but growing niche market
for nostalgia, right?
It's the nostalgia niche,
which includes things like vinyl, cassette tapes,
and so on.
It's actually growing.
I was looking at the numbers
and I think they doubled in the last,
actually almost 10x in sales.
Now, these are minuscule compared to streaming
and everything else.
But the fact that between 2017 and 2025, the sales for these niche nostalgia items, physical media essentially, has 10xed, you know, it's kind of cool.
That is really interesting.
I know that nostalgia has replaced creativity in like the mainstream.
I mean, they don't make new interesting films anymore.
They just try to remake something from the past that was successful.
Most of the time it sucks.
So I know that the demand for a nostalgia fix exists, but it's good to see that it's actually growing and people are going back and finding some of this stuff.
Yeah.
I don't know if it'll ever become mainstream again just because the convenience of modern tools for the majority is a little too high.
Rod, any closing thoughts for this Sunday?
i think i i think it's just uh there is a lot of pessimism and maybe doom right when it comes to
things like ai and the implications and the slop that's coming down uh our way but i think if you
just slow down a little bit and you think about it and you can wade through all the slop and stay
of flow right it's almost like surfing like don't fight it right um i think that you can find a lot
of optimism and i think you can find a lot of really good stuff really good artists and there's
like i said that the good stuff from the past there's so much good art film using everything
from the past that you have never been exposed to you've never heard of that you could still go back
and find and you can still enjoy and like that's not gone so the there's just there's plenty of
reasons to be optimistic you don't have to be it is not all negative that is a great note to close
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