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The noise of the week is behind us.

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The record is spinning.

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It's time to stop interviewing and start listening.

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Welcome to Sunday Brunch.

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Good morning, good afternoon and good evening, you beautifully brilliant browsers of boundless bandwidth.

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Welcome to the second serving of Sunday Brunch.

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And today is, you guessed it, Sunday.

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It is the 18th of January and very much brunch time on the east coast of the United States,

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which can only mean one thing.

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Your favorite music on the lightning-laced airwaves.

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This is not your regular podcast.

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I don't have any questions prepared.

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I don't have a sermon, and I won't be asking our guest about Austrian economics.

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There's just a table, some coffee, and a record player.

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The guest is the DJ here.

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This is a Valley for Value production, which means your support through streams and boosts,

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or by subscribing to the show on Fountain, is what keeps the mic warm and the podcast ad-free.

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90% of the sats streamed or boosted during the songs will go directly to the artist.

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When no song is playing, half the sats go to the guest and the other half to the show.

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And for those listening on the live stream today, if you stick around after the show,

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I will be screening episode 3 of Finding Home.

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That's the newest Paraguay episode at 2pm Eastern 1900 UTC.

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It will be broadcast from my personal account, not Plep Chain Radio, and will be available on any of your favorite live streaming NOSTA clients.

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And if you missed that, you can always catch it on IndieHub.

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Now, on with the show.

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My guest today is a man containing multiple multitudes.

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Rod Palmer from the Bitcoin Bugle is here, and he's brought his own playlist with him.

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We're going to spin some tracks.

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We're going to talk about whatever topics emerge in the silences between the music

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and give everyone listening a chance to enter this decompression chamber after a long week.

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So, crack open that bottle of bubbly and top up your mimosa.

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Rod Palmer, welcome to Sunday Brunch.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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I want to know, is the multiple multitudes, is that a compliment or is that a comment on the weight?

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On my weight.

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You are.

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I did watch Mr. Greaser's video on heroes.

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and it did appear that you skipped a few of your gym sessions, Mr. Palmer.

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Well, I don't skip the gym session.

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I skip the cardio.

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Ah, so it's mostly muscle then underneath that suit.

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Right, you know, it's the fourth turn.

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But you need to be strong.

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You need to have the strength and the endurance, yeah.

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Love it.

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Well, so Rod, what does a typical Sunday

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look like in the Palmer household?

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Sunday's a great day for podcasting.

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Sunday's a great day for

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clearing your head

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and doing some work

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when there's no expectations.

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There's no meetings.

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You just get a lot of time.

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if they ever ask.

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and it's good for all those things,

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just working on you, like to just...

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On the one hand, there is the pull

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of listening to 40 hours of podcasts a week,

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but there's also the pull of needing to create

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almost 40 hours of podcasts a week,

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or if not, at least spending 40 hours

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how does uh how do you deal with that it's time the time management's very important

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some people start the week on sunday some people end it on sunday i'm a it's the end of the week

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sometimes to the late at night so by the time i get to the weekend it's it's almost like a wild

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card um i can kind of i can record i can create i can listen to extra bonus hours uh it's it's

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really a clean slate it is just kind of depends on my mood but if you're newer to it it's you

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really just got to lock down the habits um and just get a really disciplined routine of listening

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and recording um you kind of like to find the the right rhythm for yourself sometimes some people

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like to do one hour listening one hour recording one hour listening one hour recording and some

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people are able to really uh switch contexts very quickly and seamlessly that way i'm not i have to

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some cases to balance this incredibly challenging weight of being a podcaster and podcast listener.

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And I think you're doing a great job.

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But Rod, today you've come with a playlist.

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and to those listening to the live stream

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you can see that in the screen share

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our podcast audience will not be able to

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so do you want to talk about the first song

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that you'd like to play for us?

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Yes, the Remnant will subscribe

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so the Remnant is a

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it's a concept or a meme

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or an idea that is

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written about it's met down multiple places in history and mythology and cultures um and one of

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the common ones it's if people are familiar with the book of isaiah and the bible the rend it's a

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small group who survive the judgment and they will be restored this symbolizes hope and uh

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like the enduring promise and so it's kind of like in this industry if you if you've been around

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for a long time it's it was a small group of people who kind of got it the 40 hours listeners

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right and as as things become more as the culture becomes more mainstream as it is it grows and

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there's more people that come in it kind of the some people notice or maybe they gripe about it

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they think that the the message gets watered down a little bit it becomes a little bit um

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to to normie or whatever you want to call it right it it maybe they call it plebslop

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it's sloppified there's a million different ways that you can look at it but if you if you stay on

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a frontier kind of a pioneering with the technology pioneering with the advancement of

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um the culture in general the you'll there will always be this friend who kind of survives each

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wave uh there'll be you know bear markets there'll be these events that kind of wash people out take

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the um the detached walls or the tourists and they'll lose interest they disappear

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but the remnant will subscribe

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they will continue to

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kind of be there and survive each of these

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you know quote unquote

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mass extinction events

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where most of the people kind of

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lose interest move on or just something

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happens and they just they don't make

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it like these like the

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the um the trove

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like and then ngmi

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you're not going to make it that's most

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people but the but the remnant

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kind of sticks around and that kind of

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is a pattern that repeats all throughout history um and if you keep that in mind if you feel kind

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of like sometimes you get dis disheartened or frustrated and you feel like it's it's such a

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small group and you in it's you wonder if this message is going to really survive into the future

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it's kind of one of those

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memes or ideas that you can fall back on

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and be reminded of

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Rod that's

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that is a profound thought

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to get our Sunday brunch

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started and this is one of your

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songs correct

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yes it is

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yes it is

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we'll get into it I guess

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the difference between the Rod Palmer and the eCash Sailor.

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But this is one of mine.

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I think it came out roughly back in September, August.

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So it's not brand new, but it's not real old either.

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Excellent.

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Well, this is Remnant Will Subscribe by none other than Rod Palmer himself.

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I heard a voice in the static

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Whom shall I send to the supine crowd?

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So I let the signal tune the dial

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Whisper the truth out loud

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Prophecy wrapped in feedback

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A corpressed to restless lives

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Most will wander deaf and blind

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But a revenant waits for this

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Though the silence answers no

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Still every echo's a sacred sign

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Every rhythm a holy line

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This is the sound of the ram and our life

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Humming along on a midnight drive

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Everyone else fades into the night

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But the faithful few still catch the light

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The remnants will subscribe

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The remnants will subscribe

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We speak in riddles and thunder

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Dreams disguise this melody

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The multitudes laugh in their slumber

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But the remnant leans in carefully

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The nation's scattered blind and still

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Hearts too heavy, ears too filled

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But somewhere out there, the shadow's gone

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A chosen few still sing along

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They won't get it, they never will

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The heart of the masses stays dark and still

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But somewhere out there, headphones on

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A chosen few know the familiar song

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I said, send me, I'll go, though the world may never know.

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Not here for crowns, not here for fame, just a chorus without a name.

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This is the sound of the remnant born, echoes of truth in the digital storm.

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Everyone else strips out of range

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But the faithful few replay again

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The red net will subscribe The red Nets will subscribe

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Ooh, ooh, ooh!

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That was Remnant Will Subscribe

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by Rod Palmer.

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Rod, is that you on vocals?

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And if so, did you have to use a voice changer

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to get that smooth, natural tone?

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to let the voice, the vocal cords relax,

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so I can sing.

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everybody's using a little bit of auto tune a little bit of digital you know production to

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make things sound a little smoother a little bit better so um yeah i did i do have i do have some

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some banging chords now did you do you play guitar do you play any other instruments

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guitar play the uh play in the face do the drums somebody to hit the keyboard um they're they're

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Great group down in Austin.

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Right next to some of the best barbecue in all the countries.

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So that's partially why I've got a multitude of multitudes.

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which our friend Shadrach is the pointy end of the spear on that.

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Are you involved in that at all?

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I'm not. I've not been invited.

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I love Shadrach.

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He's one of my boys who smoke non-KYC cigarettes all the time.

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but you know i'm very busy i've got journalism i got podcasting i've got music i've got a lot

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going on but uh when things slow down a little bit i'm sure i will be able or hopefully able

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to collab with shadrach some more yeah well richard greaser in the stream chat uh just said

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that he was invited to web5 i think that might make for an awkward conversation rod

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at your next podcast.

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Richard, that's interesting.

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He didn't even tell me about that.

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to find out about something.

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But not until Zap.stream, right?

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You could have at least told me in the group chat.

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It was, yes, it was posted in a public forum

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on Zap.stream.

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So it's only the 20, 30 odd people listening now who know that.

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In the feds, you might be recording it.

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I did forget about that.

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By the way, Rod, as you can see, I'm screen sharing a Fountain playlist.

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Did you know you could make playlists in Fountain?

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I knew you could make podcast playlists in Fountain.

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I was unaware until you told me about this, that you could do the music playlists.

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I don't typically use Fountain for the music streaming quite as much because when I first, you know, was exposed to it or when I first found it, the UX was a little bit rough around.

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So I just I was like, well, this is what seemed like it's all kind of propagating from Wavelake or some other source.

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So I just continued to use Wavelate.

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But now that I have used the fountain music,

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like the chart,

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and I found all the artist profiles

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and saw that you can make playlists,

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I definitely will be using that more often.

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Yeah, you know, this is not a particularly well-known fact.

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I had Oscar on last week as the first guest for Sunday Brunch.

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And I was mentioning to him the same thing,

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that not too many people know

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that Fountain's actually a pretty good

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independent music app

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apart from being a podcasting app as well.

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And any music in this open music ecosystem, right?

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Value for value ecosystem,

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if you push it to podcast index,

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if you push it to Wavelake,

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it will show up in Fountain

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because it's over RSS.

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And I think they're building

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a lot of cool artist onboarding tools

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as well. So it's really interesting to see all of these apps coming up, Wave Lake, Fountain,

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competing not just in the podcast space, but in the open music space as well.

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Now, maybe you can correct me if I'm wrong. Last I checked, you weren't able to boost

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songs on Fountain, like you could do, for example, on a podcast episode. Is that coming soon or is

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that available now i think that's an important feature right is being able to uh these your

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favorite songs and then having those show up like in the activity feed to other people and say oh

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this is people like this song i should check this out well why don't we try a hands-on experiment

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right now rod and uh i'll have to describe it because our podcast audience cannot see the

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screen share, but I will go to

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but a live audience can

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so let me go to the playlist that I have

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open, let me see what I

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could do, I'm going to click on

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one of your songs

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I'm going to click on

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Remnant will subscribe

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and I'm going to see if I can

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see there's a

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if you can see the screen

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there's a lightning emoji

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this is promising

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so I'm going to

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type, I clicked on the lightning emoji

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I clicked on 1000 sats

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and I'm going to say testing

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boost

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boost for songs

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on fountain

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so

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the podcast audience can go to the remnant

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will subscribe song and if this

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actually works

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but this is on my computer so this is going to be

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interesting I probably have the

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here hold on I'm going to pull up

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a lightning invoice

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the revolution will have

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bad UX, Rod.

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Somebody on

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Zapp.stream might get to this

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before you do.

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Is the invoice showing?

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Well, let me just do it.

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No, it's not showing. It doesn't look. Let me see.

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It's all right. I'm going to do it.

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It is. It is showing you.

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Well, I've done it. There you go, Rod.

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There you go. You can see

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the 1000SAT

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boost went through

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and it says testing boost

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for songs on Fountain.

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they found needs to uh to make to market this a little bit more to post about it a little bit more

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the i did i remember i think it was osfer was on what they coined did and this was

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probably close to two years ago maybe longer and they were talking about bringing in music into the

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app into the experience and that it was going to they were going to have music shows like music

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podcasts and it was they were going to create which is you can do now so you can split the

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the boosts um you can already do payment splits for like an episode but you can set it up so that

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depending on whose music is playing or whatever content is streaming into your ears and when you

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boost it or when you're boosting automatically as you listen like those sets go to for example

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the artist whose music is playing while you're zapping it or while you're basing it i thought

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that was very interesting right and so that's how i learned about it um but it seems like there's

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been a lot of new features that they in functionality and the apps really improved the

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experience has improved um you know i know they i know those guys do work hard i know they are

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they do market when they can but um hey they should they should do it they should be proud

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of what they're building.

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They should throw us about it a little more often.

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Yeah.

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Oscar, if you're listening, you heard it here.

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But Rod, what you said about the artist,

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the boost going to the artist.

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So that's exactly how this podcast,

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Sunday Brunch, is set up.

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And even the flagship podcast that I do,

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the Friday's Plep Chain Radio main show,

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I've started playing music on there.

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And what I do is when I'm uploading the episode,

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and I use Fountain as my hosting provider,

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So in the podcast, I guess, terminal, I add a music reference.

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I just, all I have to do is say what, type in what timestamp the song begins.

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It's very simple.

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And I'm going to do this for this episode as well.

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Once we're done, I'll give the timestamp for all of the songs.

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So if someone is streaming sats, for instance, right?

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If they're streaming, let's just say 100 sats a minute.

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when you and I are talking right now,

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at this point, you will get 50 of those sats

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and I will get 50 of those sats.

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The show will.

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But when the song is playing,

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90 of the sats go to the musician

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for the three or four minutes the song's playing

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and then the remaining 10 sats will be split

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five and five between you and the show.

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So it's actually a pretty cool feature.

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I think this is more of an RSS feature.

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It's called Value Time Splits.

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And it's really cool. I think more people should be doing that.

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I've started doing that on Black Chain Radio about a month or so ago.

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And one of the goals for this show is to support independent artists that way.

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I think it's really interesting. I think it's really innovative.

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I think it's very early, obviously.

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We say it's a stereotype at this point, but it is very early.

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but I think that there's so many creative ways that you can,

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you can support artists, support creators, um,

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and just find ways to stream value.

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But like the way that it works with the way it is,

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like it's split up based on the content. I don't know.

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It's I'll have to think about it more, but it's, it is.

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anytime I go down this rabbit hole

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is very intriguing.

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Yeah, you're right.

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I mean, maybe there could be

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some kind of logic engine in the background

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that's listening to the transcript

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or something for the content

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and comes up with splits.

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The other interesting thing

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that Oscar mentioned is coming

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is for,

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so they're going to start having live streams

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directly from Fountain, right?

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Now, this one that I'm doing

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is actually on my personal,

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my home instance of Zap.stream that I'm running.

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But because of Nostra's interoperability,

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it goes all over Nostra.

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You can listen or watch this on Primal.

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You can watch it on Fountain.

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You can watch it wherever else.

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But Fountain's going to roll out native live streams.

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Again, these will be Nostra live streams.

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So they'll be available all over Nostra.

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But because you're doing it natively through Fountain,

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I think they're coming up with a feature

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that's going to allow the zaps

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that come in during the live stream

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to be split as well.

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So that's interesting

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because I was looking into,

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so for example,

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we've had some folks on the live stream

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zappers already,

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but all of those zaps,

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I'm sorry to say, Rod,

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are going straight to me.

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But it would be cool

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if I could figure out how to do that split

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so that when,

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like at this point in the conversation,

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right, if someone sends a big zap

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on zap.stream,

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half of it goes to you, half of it goes to me.

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And then when the song's playing,

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we mimic that 90% split that happens.

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So really cool stuff coming down the pike.

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Rod, why don't we move on to your next song on the list?

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And I think this one is called Looking For Real Ones And this is another one of yours Do you want to talk a little bit about this now Or should we wait for the song to play and you want to talk about it then i just wanted to say about the found thing real quick ben looking forward to the ability to do live streams directly to the

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found app we'll be doing that as soon as it's available um but i think from looking for real

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ones let's listen to it first you know we can talk about it afterwards and then i let you tell

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me if you think that you understand a theme because this one has, you know, people like it,

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but I just, I don't know if enough people kind of grasped the message when I put it out.

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All right. This is Looking for Real Ones by Rod Palmer.

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I've been scrolling through the network like a ghost in chains

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Nose talk tough, but they sound the same

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Every wallet got a bio, every pleb got a lane

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But I can't tell who's human or just train that way

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Yeah, yeah, I'm in search of real ones

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Lost in the manpool, swimming through reruns

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Fake notes everywhere, claiming we're peers

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But the seagulls in the mirror, whispering cheers

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Yeah, yeah, I'm in search of real ones

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Move for life in the field of reruns

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Fake peers, fake fear, fake love, fake deal

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Don't know who's real or what's revealed

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They tokenized trauma, meant it for clout

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Algorithmic empathy, now it's sold out

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AI profit spitting white paper songs

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While the devs debug dreams in Solana palms

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I remember when the blocks fell warm

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Now it's cold bots running all this storms

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It's like truth's too slow for the feet to show

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And the hardest money can't buy a soul

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Everything's verified, nothing's true

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Even Satoshi couldn't sign this view

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Consensus can't save what the crowd misreads

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When our hearts offline and the cold can't bleed

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Yeah, I'm in search of real ones

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Lost in a menpool, swimming through reruns

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Fake notes everywhere, claiming we're peers

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But the symbols in the mirror, whispering cheers

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Yeah, yeah, I'm in search of real ones

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Proof of life in a field of reruns

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Fake peers, fake fear, fake love, fake yield

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Don't know who's real or what's revealed

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One minute you're building sovereignty.

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Next thing you know, your nose talking back with a personality.

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They said, don't trust, verify.

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Now I don't trust anything I've verified.

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Maybe that's the vibe, maybe that's the block space high.

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Or maybe it's just me trying to find real ones before I die.

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If you're out there, blink once.

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If you're cold, don't front.

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This change long, this mind's numb.

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But I still believe in someone.

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Yeah, I'm still in search of real ones.

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That was Looking for Real Ones by Rod Palmer.

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And Rod, you will have to tell me what the song is about.

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Sure.

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I think I know.

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but I'd love to hear your view on it.

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I think, I can't remember the term,

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maybe you guys use a different term,

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but it was something you guys were really exploring

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on Planet Chain and on Noster in general

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a few months ago or sometime last year.

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It was kind of related to the dead internet theory.

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Are you familiar with dead internet theory?

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00:31:28,820 --> 00:31:29,600
Absolutely, yeah.

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That was the dark Noster and dead internet theory period.

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I think that was sometime in the summer or late spring of last year.

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Right.

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Yes.

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Then in our theory, it's this idea that the internet's just interacting with bots, NTCs.

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There's a lot of different terms for it.

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And then sometime in the early spring of last year, on the Bugle, we talked a lot about,

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and this was actually even going into the you know late 2024 was the it was going to be like this

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information war on social media and it really um wrapped up during the election like the political

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cycle of 2024 where it was and then they made likes on x private so you didn't know

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it gave any content like the the amount of engagements retweets etc like it looked

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very popular but it was like is this a civil attack is this if it seems like there's a large

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civil attack going on in social media on the internet in general and then it really revved

498
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:48,220
up again with questions of is this a civil sort of campaign with the knots nodes um where it's like

499
00:32:48,220 --> 00:32:56,460
are these people are this is this many users running knots or is are these numbers for core

500
00:32:56,460 --> 00:33:04,160
legitimate or are people spinning up a bunch of nodes on uh you know like aws for example to make

501
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,920
it seem like there's a lot of people running one of these flavors of these node clients

502
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:14,180
and it's hard to know it's hard to know that it takes a lot of like critical self-awareness and

503
00:33:14,180 --> 00:33:21,040
like it just looked like an example on x right is you might see something that has a hundred thousand

504
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:29,100
likes and tens of thousands of retreats but maybe 20 replies and 19 of those 20 replies are all

505
00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:33,880
telling the person the original post whatever it's critical of it they're telling they're calling

506
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:39,120
them idiots they're saying this sucks we hate you blah blah and it's like a hundred thousand people

507
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:46,160
like this 25 000 people retweeted it but only 20 people took the time to reply and all of those

508
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:51,220
replies were negative that's interesting that's suspicious to me and so the song is just kind of

509
00:33:51,220 --> 00:33:58,600
about it's a it's a light satirical take on i'm looking for real signal i'm looking for real

510
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:08,320
interactions um on the internet because it all feels fake and and i will say rod x twitter is

511
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:15,920
now the poster child and it has been for the last year or more for the dead internet theory and and

512
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:22,160
and the thing is with llms now uh if they if an llm composes a long enough post you can

513
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:29,820
you can spot the telltale signs right too many m dashes uh the the sort of rhetorical contrast

514
00:34:29,820 --> 00:34:37,760
clauses like it's not x semicolon it's y or speaking in threes right or saying things like

515
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,420
those sets of threes, right?

516
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,960
No X, no Y, no Z

517
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,460
just some

518
00:34:47,460 --> 00:34:50,020
typical templates

519
00:34:50,020 --> 00:34:53,040
you can spot that in long enough LLM writing

520
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,340
but when it's short and compressed

521
00:34:55,340 --> 00:34:56,820
it gets a little harder

522
00:34:56,820 --> 00:34:59,040
because there's not enough breathing room

523
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,400
for these telltale signs to come out

524
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:07,000
and a lot of these open source LLMs especially

525
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,280
are almost free at this point to use,

526
00:35:10,420 --> 00:35:12,340
especially for short text notes.

527
00:35:13,340 --> 00:35:19,220
So it does feel like X is a complete barren wasteland.

528
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:25,020
The engagement seems hollow, if it exists at all.

529
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:31,320
And I've got to say, you know, look, NOSTA has its issues.

530
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:38,060
primarily the primary issue being there are not enough people on it

531
00:35:38,060 --> 00:35:39,920
but the few who are here

532
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,200
the conversations feel a lot more authentic

533
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:48,140
and I don't know if there are too many other places on the internet

534
00:35:48,140 --> 00:35:49,120
where this happens

535
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,400
Totally, yeah

536
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,220
and something I forgot to mention in the explanation

537
00:35:56,220 --> 00:35:58,000
was that as you mentioned

538
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,900
And AI has exacerbated the problem.

539
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,660
I mean, infinitely, right?

540
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,460
And it's only going to get worse.

541
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:09,480
And you talked about, like, there are telltale signs.

542
00:36:10,140 --> 00:36:14,540
Somebody like myself or you, we listen to 40 hours of Bitcoin podcasts per week,

543
00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:17,420
constantly online monitoring the situation.

544
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,740
We're very skinny.

545
00:36:20,020 --> 00:36:20,960
Even I can get fooled.

546
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,960
Even the best, or like not even, I wouldn't even put it as the best,

547
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:33,260
but the most experienced the most aware to be fooled by this stuff and if you're a normie if

548
00:36:33,260 --> 00:36:38,920
you're a boomer on facebook for example like these guys are going to get one-shotted by these civil

549
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:47,020
campaigns these dead internet theory you know ai bots who are intentionally trying to rile them up

550
00:36:47,020 --> 00:36:54,440
mislead them emotionally manipulate them demoralize them like this is all it's all part of the mix

551
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,480
And you're right, X is, it's terrible.

552
00:36:57,140 --> 00:37:03,820
But part of the reason for that is that's where the most, that's where the most people are.

553
00:37:03,940 --> 00:37:11,940
That's where the most competition for attention and platform awareness is at right now.

554
00:37:12,060 --> 00:37:14,280
But it's definitely seeped over.

555
00:37:15,220 --> 00:37:16,140
YouTube is terrible.

556
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:24,020
I mean, YouTube, if you just kind of let the algorithm play videos for you, like you start to just get into pure AI slop.

557
00:37:24,020 --> 00:37:32,140
and is very low effort, some sort of underhanded agenda

558
00:37:32,140 --> 00:37:33,960
to manipulate your mind.

559
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,460
I think it's just the beginning.

560
00:37:37,620 --> 00:37:39,820
I think it's going to get a lot worse.

561
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:47,180
And I think this is where Nostra has an opportunity to shine.

562
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,740
Right now with the limited user base, limited daily active users,

563
00:37:52,740 --> 00:37:54,480
is probably a few thousand at best.

564
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,560
I know if you look at some stats website,

565
00:37:56,700 --> 00:37:58,100
it's going to tell you it's 20, 30,000.

566
00:37:58,340 --> 00:37:59,860
I don't think it's that high.

567
00:37:59,940 --> 00:38:03,240
I probably think it's the few thousand range.

568
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,620
But there is far more authentic interaction there.

569
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,320
And then if you look at the quality of engagement

570
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,560
in general on the internet, right?

571
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,240
I think the two things to be wary of

572
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:19,320
is one, spams and scams, these civil attacks.

573
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,220
But the other is discovery and curation,

574
00:38:22,220 --> 00:38:23,860
finding things that you actually like.

575
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:27,800
And there are efforts on Noster to build out

576
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:32,120
Web of Trust infrastructure that will, I think,

577
00:38:32,180 --> 00:38:36,300
be able to filter out spams and scams pretty easily

578
00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:41,740
and also create a better discovery and curation experience

579
00:38:41,740 --> 00:38:43,160
along with it.

580
00:38:43,580 --> 00:38:45,520
So I think there's the early days,

581
00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:49,260
but I think there's a lot to be optimistic about.

582
00:38:49,260 --> 00:38:57,640
yes i am i'm bullish on web of trust and i'm bullish i i think to be bullish on nostr

583
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:02,940
requires a lower time preference and i think going back to the first song the remnant and

584
00:39:02,940 --> 00:39:10,800
the idea behind the remnant is right now nostr is it at least you can think of it even if you're

585
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:16,080
maybe frustrated about it's uh the time it has taken to really take off and to grow to be a

586
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:25,660
a little bit more popular it is a great place for the remnant to organize and to stay connected

587
00:39:25,660 --> 00:39:33,060
and to communicate and to continue uh working on things in the meat space uh and stay connected

588
00:39:33,060 --> 00:39:40,140
that way um while the you know the civil you know world war three or whatever you want to call it

589
00:39:40,140 --> 00:39:43,620
that internet theory is just raging on these other platforms.

590
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:46,360
Yeah.

591
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:51,760
I think authentic content will become such a rare commodity.

592
00:39:53,460 --> 00:39:55,080
Authentic conversations even,

593
00:39:56,340 --> 00:40:00,820
that there is an opportunity for any platform,

594
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,760
any protocol to seize upon that.

595
00:40:03,660 --> 00:40:04,260
All right, Rod.

596
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,580
So why don't we move on to the third song on your list.

597
00:40:08,580 --> 00:40:09,940
This is not by you, though.

598
00:40:09,940 --> 00:40:15,440
This is by a character called, or a person called E. Cash Sailor.

599
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:20,040
And the song is called Plebs Slop Pity Party.

600
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,960
But before we get into it, who is E. Cash Sailor?

601
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:26,920
E. Cash Sailor is a young man.

602
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:35,840
We like to refer to Zoomers, they add the characteristic broccoli haircut hairstyle.

603
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:44,140
And E. Cash Sailor is, if people are familiar with a former core maintainer, Shinobi, it's his nephew.

604
00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:57,540
And Shinobi's nephew, E. Cash Sailor, he's somebody that he saw with myself and Richard and people on Tinder and some of this value for value in the music community were doing.

605
00:40:57,540 --> 00:41:08,160
And he wanted to get into it. He wanted to produce some music that was trendy and like would be well received by his generation, the broccoli haircuts.

606
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:14,880
So I've been mentoring you cash sailor and helping him produce his own his own music.

607
00:41:15,180 --> 00:41:19,720
And it's all it's all on Wave Lake and obviously on Fountain as well.

608
00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:25,280
Um, so if you're, if you know somebody who's, you know, a young, a young individual, early

609
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:30,680
twenties, late teens, and they're kind of into the, like the SoundCloud rapper or the

610
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:49,090
TikTok rap that type of music um you can put them on the eCash Sailor and eCash Sailor is you know it not he not rapping about drugs and partying and like nihilistic things He is rapping about you know sound money the value for value community the Bitcoin culture

611
00:41:49,090 --> 00:41:52,650
So it's it's it's something that they can listen to and not have brain rot.

612
00:41:55,110 --> 00:41:55,670
Excellent.

613
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:58,810
and Glen Slop Pity Party, just for a little bit of background,

614
00:41:59,330 --> 00:42:06,230
is the broccoli hair consumers kind of take on the plebs battling it out,

615
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:09,310
gore versus not, the spam fights.

616
00:42:09,970 --> 00:42:12,990
It's just kind of a younger person's and outsider's perspective.

617
00:42:14,930 --> 00:42:19,710
This is Glen Slop Pity Party by E. Cash Saylor.

618
00:42:20,930 --> 00:42:22,190
Is Bitcoin dead?

619
00:42:23,730 --> 00:42:25,190
Did somebody spam a block?

620
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:27,130
Should we throw a funeral?

621
00:42:28,910 --> 00:42:30,490
Nah, fam, it's a pity party

622
00:42:30,490 --> 00:42:33,370
Bring your slot buckets and your block explorers

623
00:42:33,370 --> 00:42:38,070
OMG, there's JPEGs in my blockchain suit

624
00:42:38,070 --> 00:42:40,530
Better call the V squad, rally up the troops

625
00:42:40,530 --> 00:42:44,050
Some kid paid 30 sats to ride a frog in the chain

626
00:42:44,050 --> 00:42:46,790
Now Twitter's crying doom like the sky's spilling rain

627
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:49,890
Max is losing sleep cause a meme coin's vibing

628
00:42:49,890 --> 00:42:52,530
No still sync though, so why y'all diving?

629
00:42:52,530 --> 00:42:55,170
Our fees are too high, it's the end, it's the end

630
00:42:55,170 --> 00:42:57,750
Nah bro, go touch grass or at least a girlfriend

631
00:42:57,750 --> 00:43:00,850
You say it's dying, I say you're coping

632
00:43:00,850 --> 00:43:03,650
Locks still flowing, laser eyes still open

633
00:43:03,650 --> 00:43:06,290
Bitcoin's broken, wow such a side

634
00:43:06,290 --> 00:43:09,070
Did you learn that from Reddit overnight fry?

635
00:43:09,350 --> 00:43:11,790
So welcome to the pleb slot pity party

636
00:43:11,790 --> 00:43:14,610
Everyone's invited, even Matt and Marty

637
00:43:14,610 --> 00:43:17,370
Chain's still clean, world keeps spinning

638
00:43:17,370 --> 00:43:20,110
No, stay winning, Bitcoin not quitting

639
00:43:20,110 --> 00:43:23,830
Pleb slot pity party, crying to your balls

640
00:43:23,830 --> 00:43:26,730
Spam ain't the threat, your vibes took the toll

641
00:43:26,730 --> 00:43:33,390
Remember when they said TikTok would kill us?

642
00:43:33,690 --> 00:43:36,050
Now they're mad, ordinal's got gorillas

643
00:43:36,050 --> 00:43:39,150
McDonald's is hiring, tweeted out enraged

644
00:43:39,150 --> 00:43:42,630
Bro, Bitcoin's fine, you just stuck in a cage

645
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:45,170
Fees go up, cool miners eating steak

646
00:43:45,170 --> 00:43:48,110
Meanwhile you starve on takes you can't fix

647
00:43:48,110 --> 00:43:50,750
Spam attack, they scream from the basement

648
00:43:50,750 --> 00:43:53,530
I'm filming this rap in a sponsored statement

649
00:43:53,530 --> 00:43:58,530
So raise a glass of your salty tears

650
00:43:58,530 --> 00:44:04,730
To the fragile boys and their phantom fear

651
00:44:04,730 --> 00:44:07,610
Blocks ain't full of problems, they're full of life

652
00:44:07,610 --> 00:44:10,350
Build something real, you're log off alright

653
00:44:10,350 --> 00:44:13,510
Slap, slap, pity party, welcome to the weave

654
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:16,130
You can cry about fees or go build something deep

655
00:44:16,130 --> 00:44:19,310
Blockchain still solid, your takes are just fake

656
00:44:19,310 --> 00:44:22,230
Bitcoin don't break, cause you're having a shake

657
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:28,710
Slap, slap, pity party

658
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:30,170
Welcome to the weep

659
00:44:30,170 --> 00:44:31,590
You can cry about fees

660
00:44:31,590 --> 00:44:33,290
Or go build something deep

661
00:44:33,290 --> 00:45:02,810
Bitcoin doesn't care about your feelings

662
00:45:03,290 --> 00:45:04,630
Only your keys.

663
00:45:06,010 --> 00:45:07,370
Stay mad, stay broke.

664
00:45:08,650 --> 00:45:09,470
Stay blocked.

665
00:45:11,730 --> 00:45:16,910
That was Pleb Slop Pity Party by E-Cash Sailor.

666
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:21,470
Rod, I do have a question about broccoli haircuts.

667
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:24,450
Are they the same as Edgar's?

668
00:45:25,650 --> 00:45:31,150
So, the Edgar haircut is the broccoli haircut of the global staff.

669
00:45:31,150 --> 00:45:41,290
So, you know, American Zoomers, they have typically, if you have a broccoli haircut, they typically have like a wavier, curlier hair.

670
00:45:42,270 --> 00:45:47,590
Places like El Salvador, Latin America, people tend to have straighter hair.

671
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:51,410
So the Edgar is like a slight variation of the broccoli haircut.

672
00:45:52,850 --> 00:45:53,970
Ah, I see.

673
00:45:56,470 --> 00:46:01,050
So basically, the broccoli haircut is the Edgar with curly hair.

674
00:46:01,150 --> 00:46:31,130
That makes sense.

675
00:46:31,150 --> 00:46:34,610
speaking, Edgar or Broccoli-Hair kind of Zimmers,

676
00:46:35,310 --> 00:46:38,610
they're just a little bit wild.

677
00:46:38,730 --> 00:46:40,010
They're like the wild Mustang.

678
00:46:40,130 --> 00:46:41,130
She got to break them a little bit.

679
00:46:41,950 --> 00:46:47,270
Was that, did he finally buckle to the pressure from the IMF with the ban?

680
00:46:48,410 --> 00:46:52,590
It's hard to know because they allegedly did,

681
00:46:52,590 --> 00:46:57,750
and the IMF said they did, but then QKLA and the, you know,

682
00:46:57,750 --> 00:47:03,450
So the government announced out where they still post that they buy a Bitcoin every day

683
00:47:03,450 --> 00:47:04,730
and then they've been buying Bitcoin.

684
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:06,410
So in defiance of the IMF.

685
00:47:06,530 --> 00:47:08,670
So it's, I don't know the situation, honestly.

686
00:47:08,670 --> 00:47:11,610
I only know what I get from headlines from Simply Bitcoin.

687
00:47:13,490 --> 00:47:17,970
Yeah, it is hard to know what to believe anymore,

688
00:47:18,030 --> 00:47:22,230
especially when you're dealing with the dead internet on top of everything else.

689
00:47:22,770 --> 00:47:24,970
Rod, why don't we move on to your next song?

690
00:47:24,970 --> 00:47:33,090
this one is another e-cash sailor number and it's called glazed and confused and for

691
00:47:33,090 --> 00:47:41,010
gen xers like myself who might be somewhat unfamiliar with an increasingly popular term

692
00:47:41,010 --> 00:47:50,470
that's uh enter the vernacular called glaze or it's past tense glazed could you help uh fill that

693
00:47:50,470 --> 00:48:02,650
gap yeah glazing is like when you're just you're you're speaking up a person some content an idea

694
00:48:02,650 --> 00:48:10,110
you're just you're acting like a cheerleader or a public relations um professional whose job it is

695
00:48:10,110 --> 00:48:17,170
to make it seem painted in the best light possible even if that doesn't tell the whole truth of the

696
00:48:17,170 --> 00:48:22,610
whole story sometimes you could consider it lying by omission glazed also it's kind of a

697
00:48:22,610 --> 00:48:30,770
it's like a a double meaning it can kind of have a like you're glazing somebody it sounds like you're

698
00:48:30,770 --> 00:48:37,550
uh you know blowing them or you know it's got like a sexual thing to it where it's kind of an

699
00:48:37,550 --> 00:48:43,110
insult like why would you glaze that or why would you glaze that person so it's it's it's a very

700
00:48:43,110 --> 00:48:50,530
broad term again very popular with uh the tiktok generation but this song glazed and confused and

701
00:48:50,530 --> 00:49:01,890
like the the broader uh use of the word glaze by e-cash is about this unnatural dynamic especially

702
00:49:01,890 --> 00:49:09,330
like in the bitcoin industry and in broader industry where it seems like to get to be on the

703
00:49:09,330 --> 00:49:18,170
end to succeed in pod comp, to have your product or your work be featured and, um, supported by

704
00:49:18,170 --> 00:49:23,630
like the, the popular community or the mainstream, it's, it requires you to do a lot of glazing.

705
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:29,130
You got to glaze the right people. You have to, the conversation has to be kind of fake,

706
00:49:29,130 --> 00:49:36,610
inorganic and just unnecessarily polite. And then there's a lot of, a lot of problems and a lot of

707
00:49:36,610 --> 00:49:42,550
second order effects that kind of happen in the industry in your life and community when

708
00:49:42,550 --> 00:49:47,230
people cease to tell the truth and be honest and focus on glazing

709
00:49:47,230 --> 00:49:57,730
i think that makes sense we did need a new word for it i think it's a it's a i'm surprised we

710
00:49:57,730 --> 00:50:02,810
didn't come up with a with a german word for it because in german you have these incredibly long

711
00:50:02,810 --> 00:50:04,470
compound words that can mean

712
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:06,530
really complicated feelings.

713
00:50:07,530 --> 00:50:09,230
Well, this is the beauty of the English

714
00:50:09,230 --> 00:50:09,770
language.

715
00:50:10,670 --> 00:50:12,810
It ends up in the stream, in the chat.

716
00:50:13,370 --> 00:50:14,490
Richard Greaser says,

717
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:16,270
Avi glazes Noster.

718
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:18,290
So that's an example, I guess.

719
00:50:19,810 --> 00:50:20,490
Excellent.

720
00:50:21,050 --> 00:50:22,230
Excellent. Alright.

721
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:25,390
Glazed and Confused

722
00:50:25,390 --> 00:50:26,970
by E. Cash Sailor.

723
00:50:32,810 --> 00:50:37,810
Everybody smile that like it's mandatory Copy paste the slop, same inventory

724
00:50:37,810 --> 00:50:42,810
Love this, you're doing great Nobody mean it but we participate

725
00:50:42,810 --> 00:50:48,810
Pop song stuck in my head like blue Every brand talking like they know me too

726
00:50:48,810 --> 00:50:53,810
He a star but he's a template to you Same hoodie, same tape, same sponsor, truth

727
00:50:53,810 --> 00:50:59,810
Yeah, blaze, hey, he's stuck in them days Avoid the reality just bitchin' for praise

728
00:50:59,810 --> 00:51:02,250
Plenty of facts, but where's the honesty?

729
00:51:02,550 --> 00:51:04,970
Just searching for more high constantly

730
00:51:04,970 --> 00:51:07,970
Blaze, hey, boomer malaise

731
00:51:07,970 --> 00:51:10,770
No self-awareness when plebs love pays

732
00:51:10,770 --> 00:51:13,390
Plays inflation, but we can't get a rate

733
00:51:13,390 --> 00:51:16,430
Same song, I repeat every single day

734
00:51:16,430 --> 00:51:18,550
Whole time, lines smell like flattery

735
00:51:18,550 --> 00:51:21,150
Polite, lights tag like a charity

736
00:51:21,150 --> 00:51:24,430
Everybody valid, everybody's seen

737
00:51:24,430 --> 00:51:27,170
Nobody's saying what they actually think

738
00:51:27,170 --> 00:51:29,350
If you disagree, do it quietly

739
00:51:29,350 --> 00:51:32,130
That a heart emoji, softened the honesty

740
00:51:32,130 --> 00:51:34,830
It's not faith, it's community

741
00:51:34,830 --> 00:51:37,590
Say less, not more, protect the unity

742
00:51:37,590 --> 00:51:40,890
Glazed haze, caught in a mane

743
00:51:40,890 --> 00:51:43,630
Not feeling bullish, better find a way

744
00:51:43,630 --> 00:51:46,290
Smiling through things that feel untrue

745
00:51:46,290 --> 00:51:49,150
Call it gross, call it good vibes too

746
00:51:49,150 --> 00:51:51,850
Glazed haze, more lit a phase

747
00:51:51,850 --> 00:51:54,730
Don't mean to offend, let me rephrase

748
00:51:54,730 --> 00:51:57,250
Truth hits heart, so we mute, mute, mute

749
00:51:57,250 --> 00:51:59,330
No harsh perspectives, keep it light

750
00:51:59,330 --> 00:52:00,050
Keep it small.

751
00:52:00,150 --> 00:52:02,330
I don't want to be brave online.

752
00:52:02,550 --> 00:52:05,150
I just want to say not sometimes.

753
00:52:05,330 --> 00:52:07,690
But every thought got a pass from you.

754
00:52:08,010 --> 00:52:10,370
By the group chat and the comic queue.

755
00:52:10,530 --> 00:52:11,410
They say be real.

756
00:52:11,850 --> 00:52:12,930
But not like that.

757
00:52:12,990 --> 00:52:13,550
Be authentic.

758
00:52:13,810 --> 00:52:15,670
Just don't make it awkward, man.

759
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:16,910
So we glaze it up.

760
00:52:16,910 --> 00:52:18,690
Instead of keep it real.

761
00:52:18,830 --> 00:52:21,750
Forget that we're just cogs in the wheel.

762
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:23,670
Yeah.

763
00:52:24,370 --> 00:52:25,470
Everybody glowing.

764
00:52:25,810 --> 00:52:27,330
Nobody home.

765
00:52:27,330 --> 00:52:30,650
Confused by me

766
00:52:30,650 --> 00:52:34,730
Love me

767
00:52:34,730 --> 00:52:37,530
Love me

768
00:52:37,530 --> 00:52:39,930
Love me

769
00:52:39,930 --> 00:52:50,130
That was Glazed and Confused by E-Cash Sailor.

770
00:52:50,130 --> 00:52:57,030
So Rod, what is the trajectory you think

771
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:58,790
E-Cash Sailor is going to take?

772
00:52:59,410 --> 00:53:01,230
And how many songs does he have so far?

773
00:53:04,130 --> 00:53:07,150
E-Cash Sailor's got tons of potential.

774
00:53:07,350 --> 00:53:11,590
Let me find his way for it here so he can see his song.

775
00:53:11,630 --> 00:53:14,010
Because he actually got a new song that just came out today

776
00:53:14,010 --> 00:53:17,670
that we didn't get in time for the stream,

777
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:19,430
but it's called Slap Culture.

778
00:53:20,130 --> 00:53:25,670
And it's a take on pop culture has become slop culture.

779
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:29,710
Everything is A.I. slop, some sort of slop, easy slop.

780
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:32,330
And it's it's not just the culture, right?

781
00:53:32,330 --> 00:53:36,730
It's from politics, economics, corporate governance.

782
00:53:36,890 --> 00:53:38,390
Everything is just lazy.

783
00:53:40,570 --> 00:53:43,190
The pessimist pessimism is every it's just sloppy.

784
00:53:43,330 --> 00:53:44,230
Everything's sloppy.

785
00:53:44,370 --> 00:53:46,430
And it's it's it's bleeding out into our culture.

786
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:48,870
And unfortunately, people love slop.

787
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:51,250
So it's not going away anytime soon.

788
00:53:51,570 --> 00:53:55,530
But eCash has nine songs now.

789
00:53:56,070 --> 00:54:01,490
And the album Broccoli Flows is actually going to be coming out this month.

790
00:54:01,610 --> 00:54:02,410
So look for that.

791
00:54:02,490 --> 00:54:03,910
It's going to be on the broader.

792
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:07,570
You're going to be able to get it on Spotify, Amazon Music, et cetera.

793
00:54:07,770 --> 00:54:16,570
So you can share with friends and family who are a little bit afraid of the user experience on the value for value platforms as they're developing.

794
00:54:16,570 --> 00:54:18,490
but you can also have a chance to say,

795
00:54:18,610 --> 00:54:22,150
if you want to listen to this stuff and you want to get the new stuff,

796
00:54:22,210 --> 00:54:23,390
you don't want to wait for the next album,

797
00:54:23,690 --> 00:54:25,090
check out found and check out wave,

798
00:54:25,150 --> 00:54:27,210
like check out these other alternative platforms,

799
00:54:27,290 --> 00:54:28,050
get on Nostra.

800
00:54:28,770 --> 00:54:30,830
So hopefully that will be a,

801
00:54:30,830 --> 00:54:31,830
you know,

802
00:54:31,850 --> 00:54:34,070
an onboarding funnel to get people,

803
00:54:34,070 --> 00:54:36,830
more people checking out the value for value community.

804
00:54:37,770 --> 00:54:38,650
But yeah,

805
00:54:38,730 --> 00:54:38,910
I mean,

806
00:54:38,970 --> 00:54:39,450
he cash,

807
00:54:39,650 --> 00:54:40,010
he's,

808
00:54:40,130 --> 00:54:41,810
he's just cranking out content.

809
00:54:42,270 --> 00:54:43,370
He's got a lot of energy.

810
00:54:43,450 --> 00:54:45,230
That's as broccoli here can tend to do.

811
00:54:46,570 --> 00:55:10,090
Yeah. Well, it's being channeled in a constructive direction. So all is not lost for the youth after all. But I want to go back to something you said, which is the people seem to love slop. And there is, we were talking about the dead internet theory, which is almost everything on X and these other platforms.

812
00:55:10,090 --> 00:55:16,230
You know, I was looking at, I don't have a Facebook account, but my wife does.

813
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:22,430
And she was scrolling her feed and she was showing me some of the videos that just show up there.

814
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:26,330
And apparently this is popular on Facebook for whatever reason.

815
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:29,090
Oh, boomers love it.

816
00:55:31,090 --> 00:55:33,210
It's these crazy animal.

817
00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:42,440
attack things where you know some giant uh saber-toothed tiger jumps out jumps into a home

818
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:51,380
and attacks someone uh or you know deer running through a glass window and it's it's clearly fake

819
00:55:51,380 --> 00:55:57,120
it's good but people jumping on a trampoline in the backyard somebody's like recording up there

820
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:02,700
and they got bears jumping on a trampoline or they got it's a lot animal cute animals doing

821
00:56:02,700 --> 00:56:10,320
goofy stuff like my mom loves you know cats or boys they start dancing in the kitchen and yo yeah

822
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:15,400
my my point that people love slop is that the timeline and you see this on facebook just like

823
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:24,420
you mentioned real content real art real news etc like it's being replaced by sora 2 videos like

824
00:56:24,420 --> 00:56:31,320
vo3 videos anything that people can make with slop that kind of it at first i thought maybe

825
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,840
would have to seem really realistic to fool people.

826
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:38,080
But I think that just like other forms of content,

827
00:56:38,220 --> 00:56:40,600
like television shows, sitcoms, movies,

828
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,020
people are willing to suspend disbelief

829
00:56:44,020 --> 00:56:46,200
and enjoy a little bit of slop.

830
00:56:47,140 --> 00:56:49,660
Enjoy the fear of having a polar bear, like you said,

831
00:56:49,780 --> 00:56:52,920
crash through your picture window in your home

832
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,660
and eat your Christmas presents while you're watching

833
00:56:56,660 --> 00:56:58,000
Home Alone 2 or something.

834
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:06,140
yeah and and let's not forget music as well right with murica and suno and some of these other ones

835
00:57:06,140 --> 00:57:12,380
yudio i think is another one um a lot of the music out there uh is slop as well

836
00:57:12,380 --> 00:57:20,260
it's a sloppy world slop culture i'm telling you slop culture is is the is the next wave

837
00:57:20,260 --> 00:57:24,320
but what do real artists do though what do real filmmakers

838
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:31,680
but uh real musicians yeah that's the that's the question right because slop is the new orory

839
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:38,680
if you're a pop artist or you're the music industry the traditional music industry and it

840
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:47,260
costs you millions of dollars to to find these artists to develop them and to put out an album

841
00:57:47,260 --> 00:57:54,400
and it's no better than sunoslop you're not going to make it so it's it's going to compress

842
00:57:54,400 --> 00:58:02,120
the the price of of music for example and a lot of content is going to be it's going to go to zero

843
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:09,660
so you're going to have to find new ways to stand out and to be popular to be interesting um it

844
00:58:09,660 --> 00:58:15,720
doesn't i don't think that traditional artists are necessarily screwed from i mean they can use

845
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:21,720
these tools as well like if there are their content their ideas the the care the personalities

846
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:29,500
that they cultivate are just going to have to compete with the slot yeah and and that's actually

847
00:58:29,500 --> 00:58:37,200
a good point rod that slop is the new hurdle rate and art will collapse to the marginal cost of

848
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:46,840
utility whatever that might be you see yeah the the cost of art is now measured in in gpus instead

849
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:56,680
of um you know being condensed around like los angeles or nashville or any of these other cultural

850
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:01,460
centers and i know the ones in the united states the one day and you know it's they they're all

851
00:59:01,460 --> 00:59:06,320
over the world but i said if that doesn't matter anymore you can be anywhere and you can create

852
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:11,200
slop and if you're talented you can create slop that's as good as the professionals are making

853
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:16,140
and i think you know we've gotten this app upstream you've got to like uh you've got

854
00:59:16,140 --> 00:59:22,580
exceptions to this um scardust is it in his exception to this it's a legacy it's an

855
00:59:22,580 --> 00:59:29,040
an artist a band that existed before the slop and they're going to exist after the slop because it's

856
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:36,180
it's it's a unique sound it's real talent it's that's going to survive but like taylor swift

857
00:59:36,180 --> 00:59:41,240
luckily she you know she's married she's probably gonna start a family because her career is going

858
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:45,960
to be hard to keep up with her personality may sustain her for a while because the fans are

859
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:53,920
really fans of her and her music is arguably just you know you could switch it out with anything but

860
00:59:53,920 --> 01:00:02,700
if you don't have that like it's going to be tough and that is another good point rod which is

861
01:00:02,700 --> 01:00:06,500
the average person creating AI slop,

862
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,900
whether it's music, film, websites,

863
01:00:09,260 --> 01:00:11,480
it's going to be obvious that it is AI.

864
01:00:11,660 --> 01:00:12,820
It's going to be low effort.

865
01:00:13,260 --> 01:00:16,420
It's going to follow a handful of templates.

866
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,020
But there will be folks who,

867
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:23,320
and you can see this with AI websites as well, right?

868
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,920
They vibe-coded websites.

869
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:27,380
They all tend to look the same

870
01:00:27,380 --> 01:00:30,660
because they use the same JavaScript libraries

871
01:00:30,660 --> 01:00:33,120
and CSS templates and what have you.

872
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:34,680
It's derivative, yeah.

873
01:00:35,380 --> 01:00:36,800
Yeah, but there are some people

874
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,480
who figured out how to hack that system

875
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,480
and work around that.

876
01:00:41,620 --> 01:00:44,860
And even though they're vibe coding these websites,

877
01:00:45,420 --> 01:00:47,400
they don't look vibe coded.

878
01:00:47,660 --> 01:00:50,180
And the same is going to be true for music.

879
01:00:50,300 --> 01:00:53,000
The same is going to be true for film and other media.

880
01:00:53,660 --> 01:00:55,480
Majority of pleb slop,

881
01:00:55,780 --> 01:00:57,520
majority of slop, I should say,

882
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,400
is going to be slop.

883
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:00,780
and fairly obvious,

884
01:01:00,900 --> 01:01:02,060
but there will be a few people

885
01:01:02,060 --> 01:01:04,800
with just that little bit of effort

886
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:06,960
who are going to use AI

887
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,660
as that force multiplier,

888
01:01:09,380 --> 01:01:11,040
but still do the,

889
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:12,760
you know, not do the work

890
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,900
that a real artist would have to do, right?

891
01:01:17,020 --> 01:01:19,040
Still be able to produce something on par.

892
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,040
And that's really not that different

893
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,380
from what I guess is it today

894
01:01:24,380 --> 01:01:25,700
or from yesterday, right?

895
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,660
Like anybody could write a poem.

896
01:01:27,660 --> 01:01:34,580
anybody can write lyrics to a song anybody could write a movie script the production that goes into

897
01:01:34,580 --> 01:01:41,700
it um it caught it is a much higher cost and it's it's much difficult more difficult for the average

898
01:01:41,700 --> 01:01:47,040
person with especially with no funding to be able to produce like the end product that they could

899
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:53,180
sell whether it's a song or have a poem published or write a book and have it published then it

900
01:01:53,180 --> 01:01:56,020
to bring it to market, the production

901
01:01:56,020 --> 01:01:57,980
costs have been collapsed down

902
01:01:57,980 --> 01:01:59,860
so now anybody can make something that kind of

903
01:01:59,860 --> 01:02:02,240
sounds professionally produced

904
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:03,780
but like you said, like

905
01:02:03,780 --> 01:02:05,980
the average person, even with the

906
01:02:05,980 --> 01:02:07,140
access to these tools,

907
01:02:07,740 --> 01:02:09,940
I've met multiple people

908
01:02:09,940 --> 01:02:11,760
or I know multiple people who have

909
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:13,920
discovered this new craze and they've created their

910
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,760
own slop and it is

911
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,300
low quality slop.

912
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:18,740
So it's

913
01:02:18,740 --> 01:02:21,540
not as

914
01:02:23,180 --> 01:02:29,000
apocalyptic for real artists as it may seem on the surface because at the end of the day

915
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:37,800
the real artists or their contents just always going to be that elite level is going to be much

916
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:44,560
better than everything else yeah but popular artists are pretty much doomed i think that

917
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:52,500
that is a that is a very interesting point um all right rod why don't we speaking of slop uh

918
01:02:52,500 --> 01:02:55,140
your next song is called

919
01:02:55,140 --> 01:02:56,780
Jingle Bell Slop

920
01:02:56,780 --> 01:02:59,300
and it's by you

921
01:02:59,300 --> 01:03:01,540
do you want to talk a little bit

922
01:03:01,540 --> 01:03:02,180
about this song?

923
01:03:02,900 --> 01:03:04,320
Sure, this last one is just

924
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,080
also a plug for

925
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,160
the Bubel, we created

926
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,260
a collection of

927
01:03:11,260 --> 01:03:12,980
Christmas album

928
01:03:12,980 --> 01:03:14,900
that's not available

929
01:03:14,900 --> 01:03:25,970
on Spotify or Waverly because it a condensed product we working on maybe doing that for youtube and finding some other way maybe it the playlist here on fountain but um

930
01:03:25,970 --> 01:03:33,370
jingle bell slop is a is this a christmas song and it's a it's a commentary on what we've just

931
01:03:33,370 --> 01:03:40,230
been talking about for the past 20 minutes which is slop culture slop content and it's a

932
01:03:40,230 --> 01:03:43,010
most Christmas songs at this point,

933
01:03:43,090 --> 01:03:44,370
especially the popular ones,

934
01:03:44,790 --> 01:03:47,110
it's like trad slop.

935
01:03:48,030 --> 01:03:52,330
And so it's kind of a meta commentary satire

936
01:03:52,330 --> 01:03:54,610
on that, and it's a Christmas song.

937
01:03:54,890 --> 01:03:56,890
And I know we're a little past Christmas here,

938
01:03:57,070 --> 01:04:01,030
but I think it's still funny to play today.

939
01:04:02,950 --> 01:04:06,690
This is Jingle Bell Slop by Rod Barber.

940
01:04:10,230 --> 01:04:20,970
Jingle bell, jingle bell, jingle bell slop

941
01:04:20,970 --> 01:04:23,510
Content farm Christmas that just won't stop

942
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:25,890
Scrolling through cheer like a dopamine drop

943
01:04:25,890 --> 01:04:28,390
Yeah, Santa's optimized for clicks on top

944
01:04:28,390 --> 01:04:30,950
Snowflakes fall like algorithm tricks

945
01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:33,390
Influencer elves doing brand new kicks

946
01:04:33,390 --> 01:04:35,810
Buy more joy is the corporate fix

947
01:04:35,810 --> 01:04:38,370
A mistletoe kiss with a paywall twist

948
01:04:38,370 --> 01:04:41,130
Oh, what fun it is to see

949
01:04:41,130 --> 01:04:43,690
The plebslops serve so merrily

950
01:04:43,690 --> 01:04:45,870
Wrapped in bows of irony

951
01:04:45,870 --> 01:04:48,350
A hallmark heart with no battery

952
01:04:48,350 --> 01:04:53,030
Jingle bell, jingle bell, jingle bell slop

953
01:04:53,030 --> 01:04:55,470
Bobbles of nonsense you can't unstop

954
01:04:55,470 --> 01:04:57,950
We deck these halls till we all just drop

955
01:04:57,950 --> 01:05:00,470
A Christmas made from recycled pop

956
01:05:00,470 --> 01:05:09,170
Jingle bells flop in a sleigh ride haze

957
01:05:09,170 --> 01:05:11,510
Masked ennui with a candy cane glaze

958
01:05:11,510 --> 01:05:14,010
We're singing old songs in new cliché ways

959
01:05:14,010 --> 01:05:16,550
Tinsel on truth but the shine decays

960
01:05:16,550 --> 01:05:18,830
Grandma says honey enjoy the night

961
01:05:18,830 --> 01:05:21,370
But I'm doomed scroll lit by LED lights

962
01:05:21,370 --> 01:05:23,910
It's chestnuts roasting in corporate rights

963
01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:26,470
A festive fight for the cheapest flights

964
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:29,170
Oh what fun it is to see

965
01:05:29,170 --> 01:05:31,710
The plebs love surf so merrily

966
01:05:31,710 --> 01:05:33,950
Chain and perfect 1080

967
01:05:33,950 --> 01:05:36,570
Sponsored joy from A to D

968
01:05:36,570 --> 01:05:38,850
Jingle bell, jingle bell, jingle bell

969
01:05:38,850 --> 01:05:41,390
Slop, buy one spirit, get one free hop

970
01:05:41,390 --> 01:05:43,650
We toast a hope at the photoshop shop

971
01:05:43,650 --> 01:05:46,430
Merry memes that never quite pop

972
01:05:46,430 --> 01:05:53,570
Ring-a-ling, hear them sing

973
01:05:53,570 --> 01:05:55,870
Tastic angels on a plastic string

974
01:05:55,870 --> 01:05:58,230
If Christmas is a mood, I'm buffering

975
01:05:58,230 --> 01:06:00,810
But the slop still hits like everything

976
01:06:00,810 --> 01:06:03,250
Deck the beat, repeat, repeat

977
01:06:03,250 --> 01:06:05,630
Holiday highs from a peppermint tweet

978
01:06:05,630 --> 01:06:08,170
We chase that cheer like a limited seat

979
01:06:08,170 --> 01:06:14,450
Even our longing sounds offbeat

980
01:06:14,450 --> 01:06:19,710
Oh, what fun it is to be

981
01:06:19,710 --> 01:06:21,950
A slop-fed choir of irony

982
01:06:21,950 --> 01:06:24,470
Laughing through obscurity

983
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:26,890
Cause Christmas sold the warranty

984
01:06:26,890 --> 01:06:29,590
Jingle bell, jingle bell, jingle bell flop

985
01:06:29,590 --> 01:06:31,870
A merry mess we can't photoshop

986
01:06:31,870 --> 01:06:34,070
But raise your glass till the algorithms stop

987
01:06:34,070 --> 01:06:37,150
Here's to Christmas in all our slop

988
01:06:37,150 --> 01:06:42,370
Kiss her flop

989
01:06:42,370 --> 01:06:53,090
That was Jingle Bell Slop by Rod Palmer

990
01:06:53,090 --> 01:07:00,670
Rod, have you considered playing music on the Bugle this way from the open music ecosystem?

991
01:07:02,050 --> 01:07:03,470
Yeah, we've talked about it.

992
01:07:03,590 --> 01:07:04,070
We do.

993
01:07:04,810 --> 01:07:15,250
We usually feature one of our songs or one of the Catch Sailor songs kind of at the end of every show or maybe at the beginning.

994
01:07:15,370 --> 01:07:16,250
But we sprinkle it.

995
01:07:16,270 --> 01:07:18,110
We've been doing that for quite a while now.

996
01:07:18,110 --> 01:07:22,630
But this format, kind of like what you're doing here, which is really cool.

997
01:07:23,090 --> 01:07:27,650
is, yeah, it's definitely something we're thinking about,

998
01:07:27,690 --> 01:07:32,450
especially on the Intellectual Silk Road series of our podcast

999
01:07:32,450 --> 01:07:35,870
or the behind the podcast when we have a guest on to interview.

1000
01:07:36,490 --> 01:07:40,630
So if anybody, like, we have a guest on who's got their own music

1001
01:07:40,630 --> 01:07:44,390
or their own content like this, it'd be a great way to feature it.

1002
01:07:46,290 --> 01:07:50,190
Yeah, and the other thing is once Fountain has the live streams as well,

1003
01:07:50,230 --> 01:07:52,870
you could do a combination of both, right?

1004
01:07:52,870 --> 01:07:57,290
That way the musician gets zapped or boosted during their song.

1005
01:07:57,730 --> 01:07:58,690
You can set the splits.

1006
01:08:00,290 --> 01:08:07,650
Lahav from Scardust in the live stream says he loves Jingle Bell Slop.

1007
01:08:09,010 --> 01:08:12,110
I told you the people who are going to love Slop.

1008
01:08:14,010 --> 01:08:20,990
Lahav is a man, by the way, who is a true artisan, a craftsman.

1009
01:08:20,990 --> 01:08:27,270
and I think his work will easily pass the hurdle rate of slop.

1010
01:08:28,370 --> 01:08:29,670
No, no doubt about that.

1011
01:08:30,150 --> 01:08:30,330
Yeah.

1012
01:08:31,390 --> 01:08:31,610
Yeah.

1013
01:08:32,930 --> 01:08:35,810
So Rod, you know, you played five of your songs.

1014
01:08:35,810 --> 01:08:37,830
I actually brought one of my own

1015
01:08:37,830 --> 01:08:39,890
and I think I did that last episode

1016
01:08:39,890 --> 01:08:41,790
and I think I'm going to make it a recurring theme

1017
01:08:41,790 --> 01:08:43,850
where the guest brings five

1018
01:08:43,850 --> 01:08:46,810
and then I have one of my own.

1019
01:08:47,490 --> 01:08:50,590
So, you know, Sundays are usually for rest

1020
01:08:50,590 --> 01:08:56,370
but they're also for reflection is that one day of the week we actually have time to look around

1021
01:08:56,370 --> 01:09:03,930
at the world and ask how did we get here steve thorne is a musician from southampton and i've

1022
01:09:03,930 --> 01:09:09,330
featured him on an earlier show on pleb chain radio a couple of weeks ago and he has a theory

1023
01:09:09,330 --> 01:09:17,550
this track is called malice in plunderland it starts with a clip from jfk that feels

1024
01:09:17,550 --> 01:09:20,990
more relevant today than it did in 1961.

1025
01:09:21,790 --> 01:09:24,510
It's a smooth ride, easy on the ears,

1026
01:09:25,250 --> 01:09:26,890
and perfect for a Sunday drive,

1027
01:09:27,090 --> 01:09:29,750
but don't let the melody fool you.

1028
01:09:30,430 --> 01:09:33,210
The message is a wake-up call.

1029
01:09:33,210 --> 01:09:35,270
We are opposed around the world

1030
01:09:35,270 --> 01:09:37,590
by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy

1031
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:40,490
that relies primarily on covet means

1032
01:09:40,490 --> 01:09:42,650
for expanding its sphere of influence,

1033
01:09:43,350 --> 01:09:45,970
on infiltration instead of invasion,

1034
01:09:45,970 --> 01:09:49,250
On subversion instead of elections.

1035
01:09:49,950 --> 01:09:52,890
On intimidation instead of free choice.

1036
01:09:53,370 --> 01:10:08,650
It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tight-knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations.

1037
01:10:08,650 --> 01:10:11,810
Its preparations are concealed, not published.

1038
01:10:12,670 --> 01:10:14,970
The stakes are buried, not headlined.

1039
01:10:14,970 --> 01:10:18,450
Its dissenters are silenced, not praised.

1040
01:10:44,970 --> 01:10:49,270
Who said let's rearrange the gallows

1041
01:10:50,270 --> 01:10:53,890
We'll have them swaying round the clock

1042
01:10:53,890 --> 01:10:58,350
As they fall

1043
01:10:58,350 --> 01:11:01,770
Down a hole

1044
01:11:01,770 --> 01:11:19,580
Programmed To malice and plunderland Let them all bring that to malice and plunderland

1045
01:11:19,580 --> 01:11:26,860
This alone, just so you know

1046
01:11:26,860 --> 01:11:34,080
The whistleblowers fear exposure

1047
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:40,220
Maybe a bullet between the eyes

1048
01:11:40,220 --> 01:11:44,100
Don't look to my strength for disclosure

1049
01:11:44,100 --> 01:11:50,100
Is there the Bastion's of lies?

1050
01:11:50,100 --> 01:11:52,460
Watch them fall

1051
01:11:52,460 --> 01:11:57,640
Down a hole

1052
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,580
Provelled

1053
01:12:00,580 --> 01:12:04,760
To Paris and Plunderland

1054
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:07,820
Let them all

1055
01:12:07,820 --> 01:12:10,580
Be damned

1056
01:12:10,580 --> 01:12:14,580
To Paris and Plunderland

1057
01:12:14,580 --> 01:12:18,020
This unknown

1058
01:12:18,020 --> 01:12:23,240
Just say no

1059
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:31,220
We've all been living in the Truman Show

1060
01:12:31,220 --> 01:12:34,580
On cover on TV

1061
01:12:34,580 --> 01:12:40,320
I love to say it's getting better

1062
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:45,640
But I've just been fooling me

1063
01:12:45,640 --> 01:13:15,620
Oh, oh, oh, oh

1064
01:13:15,620 --> 01:13:21,320
For malice in plunderland

1065
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:27,160
And let them all bring down

1066
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:32,120
To malice in plunderland

1067
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,900
Just so long

1068
01:13:34,900 --> 01:13:44,660
Just so long

1069
01:13:44,660 --> 01:13:58,820
That was Malice in Plunderland by Steve Thorne.

1070
01:13:58,820 --> 01:14:01,100
I love the contrast in that track.

1071
01:14:01,340 --> 01:14:03,020
Musically, it's pretty polished.

1072
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,380
It's got that easygoing melodic rock feel.

1073
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:08,220
But then you catch the lyrics.

1074
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,620
The sewer rats are getting reckless.

1075
01:14:12,380 --> 01:14:14,500
The whistleblowers fear exposure.

1076
01:14:14,660 --> 01:14:21,000
and then the song's name itself malice in plunderland it certainly describes that feeling

1077
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:27,020
of falling down the rabbit hole only to realize the people running the show aren't just mad hatters

1078
01:14:27,020 --> 01:14:34,920
they're looting the place this is a heavyish topic i know for a sunday but steve makes it sound good

1079
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:42,480
the 90 boost splits are in place for this song and every other song played today so make sure you

1080
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:49,700
help support the open music ecosystem with your boosts and streams rod uh what did you think of

1081
01:14:49,700 --> 01:14:56,700
the song and have you heard of steve thorne before i have not heard of steve but uh i i definitely

1082
01:14:56,700 --> 01:15:07,140
enjoyed the song and it it reminded me of kind of a 90s alt sound which is kind of like where

1083
01:15:07,140 --> 01:15:11,880
I was coming to the age in the nineties and like, that was the, the kind of music I liked.

1084
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:19,500
Um, and it takes me back to that time before the slop for, you know, smartphones for social media.

1085
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:30,940
Um, and dad's also, that's like the kind of, the kind of stuff that, um, that sound that you just, you're not going to get from the modern tools we have today.

1086
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:36,080
Um, kind of takes you away from the modern sloppy world we live in.

1087
01:15:37,140 --> 01:15:43,380
yeah i was going to say i think it's going to be a bit of a challenge for ai to come up with

1088
01:15:43,380 --> 01:15:48,440
something like that and you know i've ever since i started doing music not just on this show but

1089
01:15:48,440 --> 01:15:56,580
on on the main blockchain radio show i've been and obviously can't play copyright music

1090
01:15:56,580 --> 01:16:02,300
i would love to play scar dust but i can't because they have a label and so i can only play

1091
01:16:02,300 --> 01:16:04,540
songs from the open music ecosystem.

1092
01:16:05,500 --> 01:16:07,060
And finding music

1093
01:16:07,060 --> 01:16:10,900
that you like is really hard

1094
01:16:10,900 --> 01:16:11,780
because there are,

1095
01:16:12,820 --> 01:16:14,600
you know, it's like the internet

1096
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:16,100
of the early days, right?

1097
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:17,540
How do you search for things?

1098
01:16:18,500 --> 01:16:19,700
There's no algorithm.

1099
01:16:20,900 --> 01:16:22,880
Maybe Web of Trust or Nostro

1100
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,220
will fix that at some point.

1101
01:16:25,480 --> 01:16:26,740
But today it's very hard

1102
01:16:26,740 --> 01:16:28,260
to find good music

1103
01:16:28,260 --> 01:16:30,080
unless, you know,

1104
01:16:30,100 --> 01:16:31,480
someone has told you about it

1105
01:16:31,480 --> 01:16:33,640
or it's just pure serendipity,

1106
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,660
you're just hitting play on a bunch of tracks

1107
01:16:36,660 --> 01:16:38,080
and you just find one.

1108
01:16:39,060 --> 01:16:41,220
And that's pretty much how I found Steve.

1109
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,600
And I played two of his songs on an episode

1110
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:44,740
from a couple of weeks back

1111
01:16:44,740 --> 01:16:48,680
where I was doing the read of Max Hillebrand's articles

1112
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:50,180
on The Sovereign Departure.

1113
01:16:51,460 --> 01:16:53,460
So you should listen to those, Rubble and Dust

1114
01:16:53,460 --> 01:16:57,780
and Who Are, Where You Are.

1115
01:16:58,340 --> 01:16:59,740
Those are the two songs I played.

1116
01:16:59,740 --> 01:17:04,520
but i was rod i was doing some research on this guy because those two songs are amazing in fact

1117
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:09,320
they're even better than malice and plunderland and i said who is this guy i love this music is

1118
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:14,820
like you said it has that 90s alt rock feel and those two other songs i played were actually more

1119
01:17:14,820 --> 01:17:22,540
prog rock and i wasn't able to find much info on this guy uh maybe some passing reference that he

1120
01:17:22,540 --> 01:17:29,600
collaborated with genesis and emerson lake palmer in the 80s and 90s but nothing more than that

1121
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:37,480
And apparently this guy suddenly decided to put his albums up on Wavelake a couple of years ago.

1122
01:17:37,780 --> 01:17:39,020
So it is interesting.

1123
01:17:41,100 --> 01:17:42,240
How do you...

1124
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:53,600
I wonder if you think about some of these artists, these bands or whatever from, you know, maybe the 1980s, even the early 2000s,

1125
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:56,820
that they were like huge commercial successes.

1126
01:17:56,820 --> 01:18:03,700
maybe there's not a real label that maybe still has that owns the rights or something like if

1127
01:18:03,700 --> 01:18:08,920
people fans of that type of content are gonna like start uploading it on value for value

1128
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:17,000
platforms like wave lake hopefully not uh to take any money or any uh these they get for themselves

1129
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:21,380
hopefully even give it to the artist but i mean let's be realistic i just wonder if that can

1130
01:18:21,380 --> 01:18:29,180
that will be a way to help people find and discover some of this good music from the past

1131
01:18:29,180 --> 01:18:36,700
that just got buried under everything else in time and uh just in slop every there's just going

1132
01:18:36,700 --> 01:18:43,560
to be a whole lot of stuff that people are going to want to go back that authentic that true

1133
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:59,630
or that true feel of music like you just played And there a lot of ways to find it Yeah And I think and this is a common theme not just for music Rod

1134
01:19:00,270 --> 01:19:03,850
So I went through a phase in my early 20s

1135
01:19:03,850 --> 01:19:09,630
when I watched, and this is back in the late stages

1136
01:19:09,630 --> 01:19:12,130
of video cassettes and early stages of,

1137
01:19:13,210 --> 01:19:14,650
actually there was Laserdiscs

1138
01:19:14,650 --> 01:19:17,810
made a brief appearance around that time.

1139
01:19:17,810 --> 01:19:19,190
and then, of course, DVDs.

1140
01:19:19,610 --> 01:19:22,950
This is before Blu-ray and certainly well before streaming.

1141
01:19:23,950 --> 01:19:25,790
And I went through this phase

1142
01:19:25,790 --> 01:19:30,510
when I was watching a lot of the French New Wave classics,

1143
01:19:30,790 --> 01:19:37,330
the Italian neorealist movies from the 50s, 60s, and 70s.

1144
01:19:37,990 --> 01:19:41,870
And my university had a video library.

1145
01:19:42,370 --> 01:19:44,510
And there was also, in New York back then,

1146
01:19:44,510 --> 01:19:45,790
there was this Kim's video,

1147
01:19:45,790 --> 01:19:48,290
one of those cult locations

1148
01:19:48,290 --> 01:19:50,490
where you just go down,

1149
01:19:50,590 --> 01:19:52,650
you browse the cassette tapes

1150
01:19:52,650 --> 01:19:54,990
and you find just about everything you want.

1151
01:19:57,390 --> 01:19:59,170
Maybe a few months back,

1152
01:19:59,310 --> 01:20:00,730
I told my wife that,

1153
01:20:00,830 --> 01:20:02,990
hey, it'll be nice if you watch one of those classics,

1154
01:20:02,990 --> 01:20:05,190
one of those French new wave things.

1155
01:20:05,310 --> 01:20:06,770
So we went to Netflix, nothing.

1156
01:20:06,970 --> 01:20:08,470
Went to Amazon Prime, nothing.

1157
01:20:08,650 --> 01:20:10,290
Went to Apple TV, nothing.

1158
01:20:10,930 --> 01:20:12,470
I don't know how you find these things.

1159
01:20:12,750 --> 01:20:13,850
And these are, you know,

1160
01:20:14,090 --> 01:20:14,910
Jean-Luc Godard,

1161
01:20:14,910 --> 01:20:23,190
François Truffaut, Federico Fellini, amazing filmmakers made these incredible works of art.

1162
01:20:23,570 --> 01:20:28,350
It's really hard to find them on these modern streaming services.

1163
01:20:29,110 --> 01:20:36,530
And that is part of the magic, part of the experience, part of the joy.

1164
01:20:36,530 --> 01:20:44,070
before the streaming services even before like napster and like the um quarantine was

1165
01:20:44,070 --> 01:20:52,250
finding good music finding new good artists on film things like that he you used to have to go

1166
01:20:52,250 --> 01:20:59,510
to like a library or a record store in probably not like one at the mall maybe like something with

1167
01:20:59,510 --> 01:21:05,230
old records or old cassettes and he had to like he had to search and if you found something great

1168
01:21:05,230 --> 01:21:10,550
and it was like wow this i can almost do this whole album and it's just good from it nobody

1169
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:15,090
knows about this and you would you could share it with your friends you could share it with people

1170
01:21:15,090 --> 01:21:20,610
maybe on the internet in the early days you could share it on uh you know irc chat or some kind of

1171
01:21:20,610 --> 01:21:28,030
message group and it was it was the joy and the magic of discovering of digging through slop or

1172
01:21:28,030 --> 01:21:34,090
quote-unquote slop uh to discover like real good artists or good film and then the joy of being

1173
01:21:34,090 --> 01:21:39,730
able to bring that and share that with people that you know will appreciate it that's kind of

1174
01:21:39,730 --> 01:21:44,710
gone now it's like music has just become a commodified film is like you can get on any of

1175
01:21:44,710 --> 01:21:50,130
these streaming services you have so many options some of it's good some of it's awful some of it's

1176
01:21:50,130 --> 01:21:57,810
just whatever uh but that just that that experience has changed drastically and i think if you do this

1177
01:21:57,810 --> 01:22:03,950
if you go back and you do make an effort to find what's still out there that is undiscovered

1178
01:22:03,950 --> 01:22:09,330
maybe not even in digital format these days uh that's the only way you can get it but like i

1179
01:22:09,330 --> 01:22:14,510
i don't know if we'll ever get that truly bad i don't know if young people will ever experience

1180
01:22:14,510 --> 01:22:20,770
like what we did growing up um but i hope they can because it was it used to have to sit and wait

1181
01:22:20,770 --> 01:22:24,910
if you wanted even hear a populate sign you'd have to sit by the radio all day and hope they

1182
01:22:24,910 --> 01:22:31,490
played it or request it yourself and it's just it's not like that anymore yeah did you know rod

1183
01:22:31,490 --> 01:22:35,170
that there is a small but growing niche market

1184
01:22:35,170 --> 01:22:37,450
for nostalgia, right?

1185
01:22:37,490 --> 01:22:38,670
It's the nostalgia niche,

1186
01:22:38,910 --> 01:22:44,150
which includes things like vinyl, cassette tapes,

1187
01:22:44,570 --> 01:22:45,090
and so on.

1188
01:22:45,130 --> 01:22:46,050
It's actually growing.

1189
01:22:46,350 --> 01:22:47,550
I was looking at the numbers

1190
01:22:47,550 --> 01:22:52,050
and I think they doubled in the last,

1191
01:22:52,250 --> 01:22:54,570
actually almost 10x in sales.

1192
01:22:54,570 --> 01:22:57,710
Now, these are minuscule compared to streaming

1193
01:22:57,710 --> 01:22:58,570
and everything else.

1194
01:22:58,570 --> 01:23:11,710
But the fact that between 2017 and 2025, the sales for these niche nostalgia items, physical media essentially, has 10xed, you know, it's kind of cool.

1195
01:23:12,770 --> 01:23:14,030
That is really interesting.

1196
01:23:14,170 --> 01:23:18,670
I know that nostalgia has replaced creativity in like the mainstream.

1197
01:23:18,910 --> 01:23:22,650
I mean, they don't make new interesting films anymore.

1198
01:23:22,810 --> 01:23:26,150
They just try to remake something from the past that was successful.

1199
01:23:26,690 --> 01:23:28,070
Most of the time it sucks.

1200
01:23:28,570 --> 01:23:41,850
So I know that the demand for a nostalgia fix exists, but it's good to see that it's actually growing and people are going back and finding some of this stuff.

1201
01:23:42,810 --> 01:23:42,950
Yeah.

1202
01:23:43,850 --> 01:23:54,990
I don't know if it'll ever become mainstream again just because the convenience of modern tools for the majority is a little too high.

1203
01:23:55,490 --> 01:23:57,850
Rod, any closing thoughts for this Sunday?

1204
01:23:58,570 --> 01:24:10,670
i think i i think it's just uh there is a lot of pessimism and maybe doom right when it comes to

1205
01:24:10,670 --> 01:24:19,410
things like ai and the implications and the slop that's coming down uh our way but i think if you

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just slow down a little bit and you think about it and you can wade through all the slop and stay

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of flow right it's almost like surfing like don't fight it right um i think that you can find a lot

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of optimism and i think you can find a lot of really good stuff really good artists and there's

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like i said that the good stuff from the past there's so much good art film using everything

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from the past that you have never been exposed to you've never heard of that you could still go back

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and find and you can still enjoy and like that's not gone so the there's just there's plenty of

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reasons to be optimistic you don't have to be it is not all negative that is a great note to close

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on thank you rod uh and thank you to our live stream audience for listening i kept the chat

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lively with your participation and i do appreciate that if you can stick around i will be airing

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finding home paraguay on another live stream in a very short while in just under half an hour

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at 2 p.m. Eastern, that's 1900 UTC.

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If you are listening to the recorded episode,

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generosity go a long way in keeping the show ad free. Until next Sunday, it's happy Monday through

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Saturday. Farewell.

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Thank you.