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It's time to stop interviewing and start listening.

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Welcome to Sunday Brunch.

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Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening, you dashing, daring discoverers of digital domains.

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Welcome to the fourth serving of Sunday Brunch.

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And today is, you guessed it, Sunday.

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It is the 1st of February and very much brunch time on the East Coast of the United States,

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which can only mean one thing, your favorite music or the lightning-laced airwaves.

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Now settle in. This is not your regular podcast.

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I don't have any questions prepared. I don't have a sermon.

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and I won't be asking our guest about the inherent nihilism of brutalist architecture.

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There's just a table, some coffee and a record player.

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The guest is the DJ here.

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And because there is no corporate sponsor in the booth,

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you are the ones keeping the coffee pot full.

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This is a Valley for Valley production.

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We don't run ads, we run on Vibe.

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If you enjoyed the selection today, you can throw some sats in the digital tip jar by boosting on fountain or zapping on Noster.

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Here's the house rule.

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When the needle drops, the sats follow.

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90% of everything you stream during the song goes directly to the artist.

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You're tipping the band.

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When the music fades and we're just chatting, you're buying a round for me and the guest.

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And my guest today is a man who is resembling David Lynch more and more with each passing day.

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Jim Costello is here and he's brought his own playlist with him.

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We're going to spin some tracks.

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We're going to talk about whatever topics bubble up in the silences between the music

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and give everyone listening a chance to enter this decompression chamber after a long week.

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So, uncock that moette.

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Your Bellini is running low.

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Jim Costello, welcome to Sunday Brunch.

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Good morning.

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How are you?

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Thank you for having me.

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I'm doing very well, Jim.

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Are you a David Lynch fan by any chance?

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Mulholland Drive definitely speaks to my time in L.A. a little bit.

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so I could never do

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what he's done but

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I mean you said Mulholland Drive

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one of his better ones

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if not his best

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oh that is a real mind bender

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if you think Mulholland Drive

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do you know who the music

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look at you Avi

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the music production on Lost Highway

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Bada Lamenti.

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That's the guy.

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I'm trying to look at...

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Wow. Born in 1937.

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Passed away in 22.

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Film, television, and scoring.

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Roy Orbison, that's the guy I was searching for.

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and there's this woman and the singer who gets up on stage and she sings this haunting song

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that's actually a roy orbison song uh which one is

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i am i'm just perusing through this dude and i'm like i'm i'm rather embarrassed that i don't know

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more about him. I mean, my God, he

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thank you man i love it when people drop buckets of music into my lap that i'm completely

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unfamiliar with and and this wouldn't have happened jim if you uh didn't start resembling

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david lynch how did you manage that it's not a conscious choice i just haven't had a haircut in

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probably three months i don't know i've been busy been busy but uh yeah i mean i definitely have the

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spiky gray hair thing going on.

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you started Phantom Power Media.

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who don't know what Phantom Power Media does,

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what's the story there?

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Well, the story is we wanted to

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take everything that we've learned

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on behalf of my daughter's success in this space

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and try to teach as many other artists as we can about this.

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And when I say we, I mean my wife Julie and I.

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It's been a wild ride ever since Ainsley met the guys from Wave Lake

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at Bitcoin Park back in the summer of, I think, 23, two and a half years now.

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And so everything that we have learned on behalf of her success, we have tried to teach

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other artists about it.

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And we have just been so fortunate to meet so many amazing people along the way.

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Everybody from, you know, Sam at WayBlake and Open Mic and Adam Curry and Oscar and Dobie Doss over there at Fountain and Sethi and yourself and QW and Heather and everybody.

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I mean, it's, you know, I kind of joked with Sam Means a year and a half ago or so the last time I saw him.

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I'm like, you know, like you guys changed my life and this is all your fault.

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you know, that, you know, we jumped in so deep with it. So we, you know, when Ainsley started

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having some success on Wave Lake and then on Adams Booster Graham Ball, you know, Open Mic

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reached out and then we did that first show up in Minneapolis in December of 23. And we took

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everything that we learned from that and just tried to do every gig bigger and better than the

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last one um you know we um i've played and toured um you know spent four years of my life on the

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road i was singer songwriter in la for a number of years before i met my wife and and uh and our

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daughter came along um and i still play today so i'm um you know i'm playing in bands around here

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in nashville so um i have a lot of live production experience live you know in in studio experience

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touring experience things like that so it's kind of a given that my daughter would get into this

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and with my audio knowledge and production knowledge and my wife's exceptional abilities

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in the tech space and in operation mindset you know we've we've just kind of really

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instead of fight the current of spotify and pay to play and and you know me not having a million

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dollars I met in my back pocket to push my daughter's music.

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We have, instead of fighting the wave, we've rode the current, I guess you could say.

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And it's been a great two and a half years in this space.

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We've done a lot of great gigs thanks to Open Mic and Adam and Wavelake.

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And we did the bands at Bitcoin when they had the big Bitcoin convention here in Nashville in 2024.

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You know, we had a three-day stage at the Embassy Suites right across the street.

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And we're fortunate enough to have a lot of great artists, you know, want to come in and play at that.

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And then we did a residency at the Vinyl Lounge for a month with a great band here in Nashville called the Blue House Band, where we broadcast that every Monday night on Toonster and Noster.

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and then we did launch festival in Pennsylvania last March or April where we brought in another

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20 bands or so three-day stage live streamed it sats flowing and then we did Vegas live gig in

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Vegas. So yeah, there's been a lot of activity. It's been a lot of fun. Never thought my life

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would go on this trajectory. So hope that gives you a good background.

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Oh, it does. And I actually want to talk about that a little more. But you mentioned your

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daughter Ainsley Costello. She's been on PlapChain Radio a few times. The first time she was on the

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show was right before that Minneapolis gig in December of 2023 that that open mic and

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others were involved in but she told an interesting story a funny story actually about how this entire

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thing started you mentioned her meeting Sam and and his partner the Wavelake partner in Bitcoin

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park michael michael yeah michael rhea yeah um you i think the story ainsley told us was

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even before that you so you live in nashville with your family you were passing by bitcoin

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park and i think you stopped by to sell mortgages or something to them and you ended up getting

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orange spilled somehow is that is that true or is is it a yeah no it's absolutely it's absolutely

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true. I've been, when we left LA, my wife and I in 2003, and I left being a full-time musician

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and I left the entertainment industry, I really just found myself in sales for lack of a better

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description right For what my day job is for what I do in the salt mines as they say in the fiat mines So when we came here and I got my mortgage license in Tennessee

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I made a habit, just because when you have a mortgage license, you're in sales,

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you're outside sales, you're knocking on every door you possibly can. And I would go to every

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tech meeting that I could possibly find in Nashville. I didn't care if it was Bitcoin,

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if it was C++, if it was weird architectural nihilistic stuff that you referenced at the

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top of the podcast, right? Like I'd just go out and go to as many events as I could

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as soon as COVID broke because we unfortunately moved here literally six weeks before COVID hit.

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um so i started going to bitcoin park because they had and they still have uh public events

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um and i had always been interested in bitcoin and it that was the lightning summit in um july

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of 2023 and i and i figured i'm like well shit excuse me i don't know if you can be vulgar on

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the show, but I figured what the hell, you know, there's bound to be some people with money at this

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place called Bitcoin Park. And maybe I can, you know, make some contacts and find some clients

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on the mortgage side of things. And of course, the script just got completely flipped. And

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after going to a couple of those public events, and then when the lightning summit was brought up,

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I'm like, oh, I can't miss this.

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I got to go check this out.

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Because at that point, I had been to several of the monthly meetings and just got more

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and more into it and really started to get orange-filled.

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And so, yeah, so I met Sam and one of his partners there during the Lightning Summit.

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And the way Ainsley tells it, I mean, she's spot on.

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I came home that night and I'm like, look, kiddo, just trust me on this.

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Like, you got nothing to lose.

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Give this a shot.

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why don't you and your mom go down there, sit in on this presentation of this website called

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Wave Lake. And, you know, and if you dig it, you got nothing to lose. You know, who knows what'll

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happen. So she and Jules went down and I remember, like I stopped by for a minute, but then I had to

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run. I had a meeting on the other side of town or something. And I remember Bobby Shell was in the

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room too. And they gave it a shot and boom, you know, that song took off and Adam Curry was nice

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enough to put it on Boost to Graham Ball. And then Julian Ainsley did a really good job of promoting

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it on X and she made more in the first six to eight weeks in the Bitcoin world than she had

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made in five years on Spotify. And that's when Julian and I were like, holy mackerel. All right,

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Let's really dive deep. Let's make sure we understand Bitcoin. Let's make sure we understand the payments. Let's make sure we understand the intellectual property. Let's make sure we're protecting her assets, not just the Bitcoin that she was earning, but making sure that the intellectual property and the publishing and all that kind of stuff was protected in space as well.

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So, yeah, the way Ainsley told it is spot on, but that's a more in-depth background to it.

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And that led me into doing podcasts and bringing in more artists because I had already – because during that time, mortgages really started to slow down.

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At the beginning of 23, the economy started to crack and crumble.

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and um well the interest rates started going up which had a knock-on effect or mortgage rates

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obviously and yeah yeah too much you know too much liquidity in the market um russia going into

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ukraine did not help uh our financial this country's financial situation at all so mortgages

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really slowed down and i had and um and i really had the time um to to spend to dive into this

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and and that's when i started doing a lot of podcasts at the time and and and i spent really

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the the better part of a year and a half just really diving deep into the space for musicians

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and get in in podcasts and shows and things like that so yeah and um and now my wife is is is the

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one who's really leading the charge in this space you know my wife and on behalf you know for ainsley

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and my wife are the ones that are really pushing the power all right we'll get back to that

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uh jim but uh why don't we play your first song it's called backwards sideways by jack femister

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is that am i pronouncing it right yeah um i'll give you a little background on it just because

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i'm such a music theory nut um jack is a wonderful bohemian kid from australia comes from a family

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of artists. He is part John Mayer, part Jeff Buckley. And if you listen to a lot of his heavier

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stuff, it's almost like he's part Frank Black, right? This is a beautiful track, key of F,

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nice waltz feel. The chord progression kills me. Floating bridge with the drums is fantastic. And

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then just wait for the horns and the flute to come in. It's a beautiful track by Jack Femister.

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Love it. And one of the things I try to do, Jim, on the show is not listen to the songs when they're sent to me before the show, just so that I can listen to them for the first time with fresh ears.

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So this is Backwards Sideways by Jack Famister.

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But when I look around, I'm ten days out of town

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When no line will be found

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I'm not making it wrong

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You're still sewing by myself

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Am I doing too well?

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At least as far as you can tell

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Say, wouldn't it be a fine night for a dream

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I'll be thrown back down the well

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I see a pinch in your sill

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By the time I'm inside out

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Backwards sideways

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Back round the right way

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All played along it

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This time

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so where will you be five years from me in a town by the sea

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now we'll let go in another 15 more when the last boat leaves the shore

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don't you know you're a door

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I hope that by then I'll be out of my head, no longer on the mend

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Don't know what I'll be or if I'll even agree with what I did way back when

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What I'll do with that then

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Mmm, by the time I'm inside out, backwards sideways

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We're back around the right way

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I'll play the long game this time

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Mmm, sailing in circles

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I'm wondering just why

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We never need a change

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But I guess that we all do

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Size is only so much

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Do we back the same way

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By the time

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By the time I

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By the time I

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By the time I'm inside

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I'm backwards sideways

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The background and the right way

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I'll play the long game

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Backwards sideways

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My background and the right way

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I'll play the long game this time

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I'm backwards sideways

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We're back round the right way

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I'll play the long game this time

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By the time I

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By my time

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I'll be fine

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That was Backwards Sideways by Jack Famister.

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And you were right, Jim.

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You know, it's such a nice brunch song

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because it has that easy vibe.

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But at the same time,

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it's not a simple chord progression.

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So it makes you think.

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Your brain is never fully like,

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oh, these are familiar patterns

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because they're not.

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So it's a beautiful balance right there.

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Yeah, I love his stuff.

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That's probably the most commercial of his tracks.

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I found him before we got into this whole Bitcoin thing.

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Phantom Power Music was actually a blog.

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I would go onto this website out of the UK called Muso Soup.

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and I would be writing reviews of independent artists.

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And Jack was one of the ones that I found.

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And I just absolutely fell in love with his stuff.

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So that whole record, which is called Death of the Closed-Minded,

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that whole record is up on Fountain,

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as well as his follow-up record is up there as well.

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But he's brilliant.

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He is absolutely brilliant.

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Last time I talked to him, he's living over in, I want to say Budapest.

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But it's been a while since I've spoken to him.

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But what a talent.

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What a talent.

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What a great kid.

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And he's funnier than hell, too.

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He's just a wacky bohemian, you know.

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Well, we should see if we can get him for one of these Valley for Valley events.

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oh I would oh my god I would love it if he could if he could do it I'll um yeah I'll reach out to

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him this week and it'll take like three weeks for him to respond just because you know he's like a

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he's a bit of a Luddite like that um but uh yeah so so Jack Femister is a guy that you brought

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into this open music ecosystem, correct?

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Through Phantom Power?

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Yeah.

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So we were talking about Phantom Power Media earlier

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and how it sort of,

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it started with,

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well, obviously it was a blog, you said,

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but then with Ainsley getting into this,

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it became this,

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almost like a one,

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I guess it's like a jack-of-all-trades type of entity

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that helps artists do whatever they need to

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to either do these live shows

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and get onboarded into the Valley for Valley ecosystem?

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Is that a fair sort of summary?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I'd say so.

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Yeah.

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I'd say so.

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How many artists have you brought on?

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Oh, my gosh.

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I'd have to go look at my spreadsheet.

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A couple dozen.

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Easy.

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there's another

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there's two more artists on this playlist

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that I gave you that I brought on

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Marina Osh

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who I also found

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from Musso Soup

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great jazz singer out of Iceland

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Abby Muir

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who I actually play

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Abby Muir is a pop artist from Australia

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I was hired by her family

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to play piano for her

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when she came up and did a gig up here

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brought her on uh the trusted um they were another uh independent band out of the uk that i wrote a

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blog on um and i onboarded them um tj wong um who who you're gonna hear in this podcast is one of

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actually ainsley's buddies from uh portland when we live in seattle he's great brought him on

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the guys from the blue house band um all the artists from launch honestly like i'd have to

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go back and look at my and I have a log of it somewhere It been a little while since I onboarded somebody but a couple dozen easy What does the process look like

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Do you see, is it that you actively go around

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looking for musicians and like,

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this one's a good fit, this one's independent,

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they don't have a place, let's bring them here,

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or is it more like they come to you now?

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It's a little bit of both.

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um and it's a sales pitch right you kind of have to as sean from uh amboss will always say you got

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to kind of meet them where they're at right um a lot of musicians are are i mean they're they're

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interested in tech but then again then i'd say probably 50 of them kind of like jack minister

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and Loathe and our Luddites.

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But you have to meet them where they're at

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and you have to tread carefully.

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You can't necessarily lead with Bitcoin.

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You have to, the way we phrase it is,

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hey, there's, let me show you something that exists

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that is a new way for you to monetize your music.

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and there's very, very few middlemen, if not any middlemen,

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and you're going to get the lion's share of the payments that are instantaneous.

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And then you just kind of ease them into it.

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And you have to bring up some real world examples and say, look,

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there's artists out here that are using this and are doing really well at it. And if you go hard

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in the paint, you can do well in this space. Manlike Quex, Joe Mark, Ainsley, like those are

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just a couple of them that are doing quite well in this space. And it's a little bumpy. You're

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going to need some patience. And oh, by the way, it's Bitcoin. But I mean, you don't lead with

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Bitcoin, right? You just have to say, look, there's better opportunities out there than

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getting screwed over by Spotify. As Joe Martin loves to say, like, you pay Spotify for the

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pleasure of them ripping you off. And I'm paraphrasing, but he's absolutely right. You

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pay these distribution companies $25, $10, $50, whatever your arrangement is for that particular

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release for, uh, for the privilege of being up on a massive website, that's going to ignore you

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and pay you 0.006 cents a spin. Right. Yeah. So, and artists are absolutely sick and tired of,

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of Spotify. They know it's rigged. They know it's pay to play.

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And if you can say, look, here's another opportunity for you. Here's a way where you

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can get paid directly. You're going to find a very open audience out here. You're going to

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over here in the Bitcoin world. You're going to find people that are passionate about

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wanting new artists. You're going to find people who are okay with sending you 25 cents, 50 cents,

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It's five bucks, 10 bucks, you know, when they like your stuff and you're going to get it instantaneously.

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But it's it it's a bit of a challenge, too, because there are a lot of a lot of artists.

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As soon as the word Bitcoin is dropped, they want nothing to do with it because of the image of politics.

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And we've actually onboarded a couple of people who have come back to us and said, look, this is too Trumpy.

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I want nothing to do with this.

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And it's heartbreaking because it's like, okay, you don't really necessarily understand it.

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And then as the person who brought them in, you kind of have to go back and reevaluate the pitch.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So this is an important topic, Jim.

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And I want to get back to this onboarding artists, how to craft that sales pitch.

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And there's lots more to this.

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But before we do that, why don't we listen to your second song, which is it's a song called Apple Pie by TJ Wong.

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I think you just mentioned her, correct?

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Him, TJ.

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Yeah.

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OK, great.

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He is an amazing blues guitar player.

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He's out of Portland.

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for anybody who is in the Pacific Northwest. Look up this kid. He is stunning. He and Ainsley go way

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back. They wrote some songs pre-COVID. It made it on her second record. Ainsley actually opened up

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for him last July when we were in Portland. This is just a great instrumental blues tune in B-flat.

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love the chord progression on this

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look out for the

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great Rhodes

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the great Rhodes tones on this track

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it's awesome

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this is Apple Pie by

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DJ Wong

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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That was Apple Pie

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by T.J. Wong.

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And, you know, Jim, the only thought I had

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as I was listening to this,

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and as I'm freezing here in this cold, snowy upstate New York,

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is this feels like a warm, late summer day

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driving down a country road with sunflowers on both sides,

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blowing gently in the wind,

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and this song playing in the background.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Right?

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I mean, it sounds like it's like a warm apple pie, the whole thing, right?

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Yeah.

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And his tone is so great.

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And I love, like, I don't know if you can hear this, but when they do that minor two and the major two on the five on the chord progression, it's such a great turn.

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I love that.

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And you should, TJ Wong is his blues name, but you should also look at him in the regular world as Timothy James.

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Like if you search Timothy James, Portland, Oregon, you'll find him.

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He's just such a good kid, brilliant player.

481
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Yeah, good stuff.

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Good stuff.

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Yeah.

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00:39:25,632 --> 00:39:26,552
Love that song.

485
00:39:26,592 --> 00:39:29,352
And I will definitely be checking more of his work out.

486
00:39:29,352 --> 00:39:32,372
so Jim we were talking about

487
00:39:32,372 --> 00:39:34,232
getting new artists

488
00:39:34,232 --> 00:39:35,112
into this world

489
00:39:35,112 --> 00:39:37,472
and it's getting easier

490
00:39:37,472 --> 00:39:39,512
but we're not quite there yet

491
00:39:39,512 --> 00:39:41,992
and one of the issues

492
00:39:41,992 --> 00:39:44,092
that I see as

493
00:39:44,092 --> 00:39:46,352
someone who's you know for this show

494
00:39:46,352 --> 00:39:47,252
for my other shows

495
00:39:47,252 --> 00:39:49,212
other show Plep Chain Radio where I

496
00:39:49,212 --> 00:39:51,292
play one song as well

497
00:39:51,292 --> 00:39:54,052
is I need to find

498
00:39:54,052 --> 00:39:55,772
music that I actually want to listen to

499
00:39:55,772 --> 00:39:57,132
and it's really hard

500
00:39:57,732 --> 00:40:00,092
It's hard because there's no simple way of discovering.

501
00:40:00,272 --> 00:40:04,852
Podcast Index is just a place that there's a dump of songs there.

502
00:40:06,032 --> 00:40:08,012
Fountains trying to build something, but there's no,

503
00:40:09,612 --> 00:40:12,592
I mean, you know, you're kind of looking at the charts

504
00:40:12,592 --> 00:40:13,972
and trying to pick something out.

505
00:40:14,292 --> 00:40:17,032
How would you know if there's someone you want,

506
00:40:17,472 --> 00:40:19,032
someone you'd like, right?

507
00:40:19,092 --> 00:40:23,032
And so part of it is the work I'm doing with my tech startup,

508
00:40:23,032 --> 00:40:30,772
hypnosfabrica is building on building web of trust tools that are applicable anywhere but in the

509
00:40:30,772 --> 00:40:35,952
context of music we could build an open source recommendation engine so i've been looking into

510
00:40:35,952 --> 00:40:45,832
that and i'll just take an example here a guy like longy great musician oh uh if someone had to find

511
00:40:45,832 --> 00:40:52,192
so if i'm building an app right that's trying to sort through music and categorize artists and

512
00:40:52,192 --> 00:40:54,692
and into genres and all of that.

513
00:40:55,632 --> 00:40:56,712
Longhi, I don't know,

514
00:40:57,112 --> 00:40:59,932
he must have come in in multiple different,

515
00:41:00,012 --> 00:41:01,172
different songs came in,

516
00:41:01,332 --> 00:41:02,512
were brought in by different people

517
00:41:02,512 --> 00:41:06,952
because there's no unique identifier

518
00:41:06,952 --> 00:41:09,952
to a Longhi as the musician.

519
00:41:10,552 --> 00:41:12,872
Typically, you look for something in the RSS block,

520
00:41:12,932 --> 00:41:14,452
you look for something called the Feed Good

521
00:41:14,452 --> 00:41:17,032
or some kind of global ID

522
00:41:17,032 --> 00:41:19,472
and Longhi has about five or six different ones.

523
00:41:19,472 --> 00:41:26,052
uh yeah and it that to me means how however he was onboarded those different times it was a

524
00:41:26,052 --> 00:41:30,512
different person and they were they just you know published an rss feed without checking

525
00:41:30,512 --> 00:41:46,528
for other things so you know that gets complicated as well right because because this is an open ecosystem there isn a single company that saying i will grant you a global identifier and that will be the one that tied to your identity

526
00:41:46,948 --> 00:41:51,488
You have this completely fragmented ecosystem that makes discovery and curation really hard.

527
00:41:51,908 --> 00:42:00,648
So I don't know if that's something you've thought about at all, Jim, as you bring these people on, how to streamline the tech side of it as well.

528
00:42:00,648 --> 00:42:06,508
yeah i mean it does get a little messy sometimes when you have duplicate feeds

529
00:42:06,508 --> 00:42:18,808
right um you know i there was a early on i definitely made that mistake um and i and i had to

530
00:42:18,808 --> 00:42:26,168
jump in with the assistance of doby das and dave jones from the index to try and you know clean up

531
00:42:26,168 --> 00:42:32,108
some of that stuff. But I agree with you. It's a little messy. And I also agree with you that

532
00:42:32,108 --> 00:42:41,528
discovery is hard. My wife's been working on something that we'll announce in the coming

533
00:42:41,528 --> 00:42:55,068
weeks that I hope, we hope, we believe can help change that. And the discovery aspect of it is

534
00:42:55,068 --> 00:43:02,368
difficult. And one of the things that I've tried to do when I've onboarded artists,

535
00:43:02,668 --> 00:43:13,688
quite frankly, is to be pretty picky about it. I obviously have an ear for this. I like to think

536
00:43:13,688 --> 00:43:22,688
that I'm pretty good at picking quality stuff. I'll pick stuff that I don't necessarily like,

537
00:43:22,688 --> 00:43:30,928
that I wouldn't listen to in my personal life, but I can tell, be like, okay, this was well-written,

538
00:43:31,548 --> 00:43:37,188
well-performed, and well-recorded. And those are three very different things.

539
00:43:38,468 --> 00:43:46,248
Because I know from having spent a lot of time parsing through the index and parsing through

540
00:43:46,248 --> 00:43:53,528
Wavelake, that in many respects, it's kind of like parsing through Spotify. And quite frankly,

541
00:43:54,248 --> 00:43:59,908
forgive me for saying this, but a majority of the stuff that's out there for public consumption

542
00:43:59,908 --> 00:44:07,368
shouldn't be. It's garbage. You know, there's so much competition out there, you know, because

543
00:44:07,368 --> 00:44:14,428
you know, everybody, any knucklehead can record a song at home. Well, that doesn't mean that they

544
00:44:14,428 --> 00:44:20,528
should release it that doesn't mean it was well written well performed and well recorded well now

545
00:44:20,528 --> 00:44:28,228
so there's a lot of so there's a lot of trash out there and it's hard to find good stuff that is

546
00:44:28,228 --> 00:44:35,428
well written well performed and well recorded that is worthy of people's time because like we don't

547
00:44:35,428 --> 00:44:42,548
want to create this wasteland of, you know, poor art.

548
00:44:43,268 --> 00:44:47,368
Well, one of the things that happened with Wavelake, while there were a lot of good songs

549
00:44:47,368 --> 00:44:55,108
and good musicians who got onboarded with Wavelake, there were also, there was such an

550
00:44:55,108 --> 00:44:58,568
influx of AI generated crap on there.

551
00:44:58,668 --> 00:44:58,908
Yeah.

552
00:44:59,568 --> 00:45:05,368
And it's really hard to, and, you know, people would game the top 40.

553
00:45:05,428 --> 00:45:12,308
list by zapping themselves yeah and i got and i got sucked into that too because i mean there was

554
00:45:12,308 --> 00:45:16,948
definitely a couple of artists where i was like oh wow this is really good i kind of like you know

555
00:45:16,948 --> 00:45:22,388
i like this and then i didn't realize and then i found out later on that it was ai i'm like damn

556
00:45:22,388 --> 00:45:29,748
it like that's you know it's it's gotten that good you know the the quality of it um i i don't

557
00:45:29,748 --> 00:45:36,448
know how to solve that other than, you know, you know, getting on a video call with the

558
00:45:36,448 --> 00:45:39,328
artist to go, all right, prove to me that this is your crap, right?

559
00:45:39,408 --> 00:45:47,328
Like, you know, but yeah, AI is a, AI is a, is a massive problem for artists, not, not

560
00:45:47,328 --> 00:45:53,128
just in, in our space, but also on the, in, in the fiat world.

561
00:45:53,188 --> 00:45:55,208
And it's, and it's just going to get worse.

562
00:45:55,428 --> 00:45:57,208
You know, it's just going to get worse.

563
00:45:57,208 --> 00:46:10,388
Well, one of the things that I'm trying to do with the people I'm working with, David Strahan, Vito Pamplona, and John Gordon, is with these web of trust tools, anyone can make AI music.

564
00:46:10,388 --> 00:46:19,128
But if someone who you trust picks a song and says, this is AI, this is, hey, actually, this is really good.

565
00:46:19,208 --> 00:46:20,668
It's a beautiful jazz piece.

566
00:46:21,168 --> 00:46:23,088
And you trust their musical taste.

567
00:46:23,428 --> 00:46:26,448
The chances are you will see more of that.

568
00:46:26,808 --> 00:46:28,908
And you will see the stuff that someone you trust.

569
00:46:29,468 --> 00:46:34,188
It can be multiple people, right, that they flag as AI.

570
00:46:34,428 --> 00:46:36,468
And you would avoid it.

571
00:46:37,328 --> 00:46:39,028
So it's still in the works.

572
00:46:39,028 --> 00:46:41,688
It's probably a few months away at this point, Jim,

573
00:46:41,768 --> 00:46:44,028
but we are trying to tackle that head on.

574
00:46:44,268 --> 00:46:47,208
Not by saying we ban AI music and we, you know,

575
00:46:47,348 --> 00:46:48,768
that's not the point, right?

576
00:46:48,828 --> 00:46:51,948
People should be able to, if they want to put crap out there,

577
00:46:52,208 --> 00:46:54,748
you know what, pay the bill and do it.

578
00:46:54,848 --> 00:46:56,028
It's fine, knock yourself out.

579
00:46:56,628 --> 00:47:02,668
But there will be human curators within people's personal webs of trust

580
00:47:02,668 --> 00:47:08,368
who will curate songs and chances are garbage will get filtered out.

581
00:47:09,028 --> 00:47:28,908
I hope so. I look forward to that, to what you're working on. I'll stay tuned. But yeah, discovery in this space is hard. I know that. But, you know, also artists need to be telling their Fiat fans, hey, come over here.

582
00:47:28,908 --> 00:47:36,308
come check me out over here. I don't care if you're Nate Jonovan, who is a brilliant rock

583
00:47:36,308 --> 00:47:40,868
songwriter out of Michigan, or if you're The Trusted, or if you're Abby Muir, or Man Like

584
00:47:40,868 --> 00:47:46,948
Quex. I don't care where you are in the world. If you have your music up in this space, you need to

585
00:47:46,948 --> 00:47:54,948
be telling your fiat friends, come over here. Come check me out over here. You can support me over

586
00:47:54,948 --> 00:48:00,068
here. You can support me directly. When you listen to my stuff on Spotify, thank you very much.

587
00:48:00,508 --> 00:48:07,548
But it really doesn't do anything for me. So artists need to be pulling their fiat friends

588
00:48:07,548 --> 00:48:15,728
over into this space. That's something that has to happen. Bitcoiners need to be cool with,

589
00:48:15,928 --> 00:48:21,448
you know, putting a crowbar in the wallet and spending a little bit of money in support of

590
00:48:21,448 --> 00:48:28,148
artists, you know, I certainly get the whole hodl thing. I certainly do it. We all do it here.

591
00:48:28,888 --> 00:48:36,988
But, you know, you got to share the love a little bit. And but yeah, I mean, those are just a couple

592
00:48:36,988 --> 00:48:41,148
of things that just pop off the top of my head. Artists need to tell their fiat friends, come over

593
00:48:41,148 --> 00:48:45,088
here. Artists need to promote themselves over here. They need to go hard in the paint. You know,

594
00:48:45,228 --> 00:48:50,168
Joe, Joe does a good job. Quex does a good job. Ainsley does a pretty good job. You know, if you're

595
00:48:50,168 --> 00:48:52,508
an artist in this space, go hard in the paint.

596
00:48:52,948 --> 00:48:53,908
Go hard in the paint.

597
00:48:54,148 --> 00:48:54,748
Promote it here.

598
00:48:56,048 --> 00:49:01,888
And what would be helpful is if onboarding is essentially a one or two click process,

599
00:49:01,988 --> 00:49:02,628
which is not quite.

600
00:49:02,648 --> 00:49:03,088
Oh, amen.

601
00:49:03,708 --> 00:49:03,948
Amen.

602
00:49:04,428 --> 00:49:05,548
So let's get to that.

603
00:49:05,708 --> 00:49:08,468
We'll get to that in a second, in a bit, Jim.

604
00:49:08,908 --> 00:49:10,708
But why don't we play your third song?

605
00:49:11,028 --> 00:49:13,968
This is, you'd mentioned the singer Marina Oshk.

606
00:49:14,368 --> 00:49:14,928
Is that how you put it?

607
00:49:14,928 --> 00:49:15,228
Oshk.

608
00:49:15,348 --> 00:49:15,788
Oshk.

609
00:49:15,848 --> 00:49:16,668
Yeah, from Iceland.

610
00:49:17,008 --> 00:49:19,508
Oh, yeah, you're going to love this one.

611
00:49:19,508 --> 00:49:40,188
Yeah, you're going to love this one. If you, forgive me for jumping in, but if you played in a jazz quartet, you would probably say to yourself, holy crap, this song deserves to be on page 141 of the real book. Like, it fits right in this vein.

612
00:49:40,188 --> 00:49:48,128
It is a great swing, D-flat, listen to her vocalizations.

613
00:49:48,928 --> 00:49:53,428
This is as good as anything you're going to hear in the great American songbook.

614
00:49:54,428 --> 00:49:57,428
And get ready for a great trumpet solo.

615
00:49:57,668 --> 00:49:58,488
You're going to love this one.

616
00:49:59,108 --> 00:50:02,568
This is Hey Love by Marina Oshk.

617
00:50:10,188 --> 00:50:25,948
Hey love, you caught me off guard Hey love, I took it quite hard

618
00:50:25,948 --> 00:50:33,088
Oh love, you got me good Wildest dreams aside, I never thought I'd dare admit it

619
00:50:33,088 --> 00:50:37,468
But hey love, I'm doing alright since love

620
00:50:37,468 --> 00:50:40,248
My head is all fried

621
00:50:40,248 --> 00:50:44,508
But love, I like the fact you stumbled my way

622
00:50:44,508 --> 00:50:50,608
I used to visit gay places and all then come what made

623
00:50:50,608 --> 00:50:53,648
Places seemed so charming and swell

624
00:50:53,648 --> 00:50:57,628
But since that fateful day

625
00:50:57,628 --> 00:51:01,128
I've been trying to stay away

626
00:51:01,128 --> 00:51:05,708
Hey love, I'm not used to this thing called love.

627
00:51:06,708 --> 00:51:13,348
It sure ain't no fling, but love, I like the fact you stumbled my way.

628
00:51:31,128 --> 00:51:48,068
All right, baby.

629
00:51:48,068 --> 00:52:18,048
guitar solo

630
00:52:18,068 --> 00:52:46,428
I used to visit gay places in Northern Cal, but my places seem so charming and swell.

631
00:52:48,068 --> 00:52:54,368
But since that fateful day, I've been trying to stay away.

632
00:52:54,528 --> 00:52:59,008
Hey, love, I'm not used to this thing called love.

633
00:53:00,008 --> 00:53:05,948
It sure ain't no fling, but love, I like the fact you stumbled my way.

634
00:53:18,068 --> 00:53:29,668
That was Hey Love by Marina Oshk.

635
00:53:30,088 --> 00:53:33,948
And Jim, I felt like I sat in a time machine

636
00:53:33,948 --> 00:53:38,348
and was transported back 50, 60, 70 years into the past.

637
00:53:38,768 --> 00:53:39,048
Wow.

638
00:53:39,648 --> 00:53:41,188
Yeah, isn't she great?

639
00:53:41,368 --> 00:53:42,228
Oh, my gosh.

640
00:53:43,548 --> 00:53:43,808
Yeah.

641
00:53:44,128 --> 00:53:45,948
I just adore her voice.

642
00:53:45,948 --> 00:53:48,248
It's just, it's perfect.

643
00:53:48,748 --> 00:53:49,608
Lovely stuff.

644
00:53:49,768 --> 00:53:58,088
She has a, like she got her master's in vocal performance, I think, from Copenhagen.

645
00:54:00,368 --> 00:54:11,008
And she's active and, you know, playing gigs and teaching in Reykjavik and does a lot of rock covers too.

646
00:54:11,148 --> 00:54:11,908
Like she's a hoot.

647
00:54:12,228 --> 00:54:13,528
She's a lot of fun.

648
00:54:13,528 --> 00:54:19,028
Yeah, that was a lot of fun for sure.

649
00:54:19,988 --> 00:54:23,108
So Jim, let's go back to the onboarding process.

650
00:54:23,208 --> 00:54:24,128
We talked about discovery,

651
00:54:24,388 --> 00:54:29,188
but there's the actual process of getting someone new.

652
00:54:29,268 --> 00:54:30,728
And you were talking about the sales pitch

653
00:54:30,728 --> 00:54:33,468
and how do we approach it without leading with Bitcoin

654
00:54:33,468 --> 00:54:34,928
because that could put people off.

655
00:54:35,028 --> 00:54:38,828
And then now there's people have political associations with it,

656
00:54:38,848 --> 00:54:42,648
which is completely unfortunate for a truly neutral technology.

657
00:54:43,528 --> 00:54:47,428
But surely there's got to be a way.

658
00:54:47,808 --> 00:54:50,268
And what the guys at Fountainhead are doing,

659
00:54:50,348 --> 00:54:52,328
Oscar, Dorvidas, Nick, and others,

660
00:54:54,168 --> 00:54:57,208
maybe Wave Lake 2.0 when Sam's back from tour

661
00:54:57,208 --> 00:54:59,228
and that gets launched.

662
00:55:00,808 --> 00:55:03,268
Hopefully it becomes as simple

663
00:55:03,268 --> 00:55:06,408
as the artist just fills in some very basic information,

664
00:55:07,148 --> 00:55:09,688
hits go, and the next thing they know,

665
00:55:09,788 --> 00:55:11,848
their feet set up, they're also on Noster,

666
00:55:11,848 --> 00:55:16,808
They have an NPUB, they have a wallet where you can receive either ZAPs or Boots.

667
00:55:17,188 --> 00:55:22,888
It's distributed across the entire system, the podcast index, wherever it is.

668
00:55:23,168 --> 00:55:24,228
No duplication.

669
00:55:25,568 --> 00:55:29,588
Feed IDs, try to NPUB, try to, you know, it's all one thing.

670
00:55:30,328 --> 00:55:32,568
We can't be that far away from this.

671
00:55:33,264 --> 00:55:40,024
I hope not. I completely agree with where you're going. And it's something that Julie and I talk

672
00:55:40,024 --> 00:55:45,644
about quite a bit. And that is, if it is not simple and elegant, it's not going to get used.

673
00:55:47,104 --> 00:55:54,404
You know, there's a lot of bumps and hurdles in this space. It has gotten better in the last two

674
00:55:54,404 --> 00:56:00,064
and a half years, for sure. It's gotten better. And the payment rails are getting better.

675
00:56:00,064 --> 00:56:03,084
the integration is getting better

676
00:56:03,084 --> 00:56:04,984
but yeah if it's not simple and elegant

677
00:56:04,984 --> 00:56:07,384
I don't care if it's

678
00:56:07,384 --> 00:56:09,084
if it's

679
00:56:09,084 --> 00:56:10,904
if it's Bitcoin if it's Noster

680
00:56:10,904 --> 00:56:13,364
if it's a car you're driving

681
00:56:13,364 --> 00:56:15,304
if it's a safety device

682
00:56:15,304 --> 00:56:17,264
you know

683
00:56:17,264 --> 00:56:18,004
if it's

684
00:56:18,004 --> 00:56:21,484
if it's a lawnmower

685
00:56:21,484 --> 00:56:23,224
like if it's not simple

686
00:56:23,224 --> 00:56:25,204
and elegant people aren't going to use it and that was

687
00:56:25,204 --> 00:56:26,204
something that was really

688
00:56:26,204 --> 00:56:29,344
beaten into me

689
00:56:30,064 --> 00:56:33,764
when I worked for an engineering firm in Seattle for five years.

690
00:56:34,604 --> 00:56:37,624
So, yeah, I completely agree with you.

691
00:56:37,704 --> 00:56:38,464
It's gotten better.

692
00:56:38,764 --> 00:56:40,964
It's gotten a lot better in the last two and a half years.

693
00:56:41,624 --> 00:56:45,164
But there's still some more to go, for sure.

694
00:56:45,444 --> 00:56:50,164
Well, I mean, you're talking about Ainsley going and talking to her musician friends

695
00:56:50,164 --> 00:56:52,784
who are completely outside of this world, but they're independent,

696
00:56:53,284 --> 00:56:55,404
to try and bring them in saying, hey, this is amazing.

697
00:56:55,404 --> 00:56:56,844
Joe Martin might be doing that.

698
00:56:56,924 --> 00:56:59,544
Others are possibly doing that.

699
00:56:59,544 --> 00:57:08,424
And then they come in and the first thing Ainsley has to tell her friend is, yeah, you know, there's this key send thing here and there's Ellen URL here.

700
00:57:08,624 --> 00:57:09,604
Some not all.

701
00:57:09,944 --> 00:57:12,844
I'll be helped is the only one that does both.

702
00:57:13,304 --> 00:57:17,684
And it just who is going to stay if that is the first conversation we're having.

703
00:57:18,344 --> 00:57:18,464
Yeah.

704
00:57:18,544 --> 00:57:22,664
And then you got to have like cash app or strike or blah, blah, blah, you know.

705
00:57:23,304 --> 00:57:26,264
And then, yeah, it's a lot.

706
00:57:26,924 --> 00:57:27,744
It's a lot.

707
00:57:27,744 --> 00:57:52,764
And what a lot of people in this space who are passionate about music in Bitcoin, whether you're self-hosting or you're hosting through Fountain or Wave Lake, however you're doing it, what a lot of people fail to recognize, they fail to put themselves in the shoes of the artist.

708
00:57:52,764 --> 00:58:06,624
And what I mean by that is artists today, singer-songwriters today, I don't care if it's Jack Themister, Marina Oshk, Joe Martin, Ainsley, Man Like Wex, I don't care who it is.

709
00:58:07,044 --> 00:58:12,284
They have to spend so much of their time just on the business side of things.

710
00:58:13,124 --> 00:58:14,704
With social media.

711
00:58:15,424 --> 00:58:16,724
With recording.

712
00:58:18,104 --> 00:58:20,384
With licensing.

713
00:58:20,664 --> 00:58:21,224
With publishing.

714
00:58:21,684 --> 00:58:22,524
With songwriting.

715
00:58:22,764 --> 00:58:32,144
they have to spend so much time doing that in addition most of them have one if not two

716
00:58:32,144 --> 00:58:41,344
day jobs or part-time jobs just so that they can make feet make enough fiat to support going into

717
00:58:41,344 --> 00:58:50,024
the studio at 2 000 bucks a song right a lot of people forget a lot of people in this space forget

718
00:58:50,024 --> 00:59:03,404
that musicians already have a really full plate. So asking them to completely dive into

719
00:59:03,404 --> 00:59:14,704
Noster or hosting or KeySend or LNURL or Cash App or whatever, they're already taxed physically

720
00:59:14,704 --> 00:59:17,664
and mentally in the fiat world.

721
00:59:18,524 --> 00:59:22,844
And now let's throw something that's pretty bumpy and complicated on top of it.

722
00:59:26,004 --> 00:59:34,024
It's hard to do, yet it's hard to find the right musicians who have the time and who

723
00:59:34,024 --> 00:59:40,364
understand the beauty of Bitcoin and understand the opportunity here, who are willing to go

724
00:59:40,364 --> 00:59:46,364
hard in the paint and promote themselves in this space and bring their fiat friends into this space.

725
00:59:47,444 --> 00:59:52,144
You know, again, if it's not simple and elegant, it's not going to succeed.

726
00:59:53,064 --> 01:00:00,544
No, it's it's I think that really is the call to action to anyone who's building these front ends

727
01:00:00,544 --> 01:00:07,824
for musicians and back ends for that matter. But really, it's the front end that from an artist

728
01:00:07,824 --> 01:00:08,904
presentation standpoint

729
01:00:08,904 --> 01:00:11,464
is what's going to make a difference.

730
01:00:12,004 --> 01:00:13,904
Where what I'm working on

731
01:00:13,904 --> 01:00:15,784
at Nosfabrica is really infrastructure.

732
01:00:15,944 --> 01:00:17,904
It's not just applicable to music. It's applicable to

733
01:00:17,904 --> 01:00:18,984
a broad range of things.

734
01:00:19,104 --> 01:00:21,784
We might end up leading with music just because

735
01:00:21,784 --> 01:00:23,744
this is such a pressing problem and it's so

736
01:00:23,744 --> 01:00:24,604
meaningful to people.

737
01:00:27,324 --> 01:00:29,024
How can we do

738
01:00:29,024 --> 01:00:31,664
how can we solve discovery

739
01:00:31,664 --> 01:00:33,824
and recommendation in a completely decentralized

740
01:00:33,824 --> 01:00:35,904
way without making it

741
01:00:35,904 --> 01:00:37,624
custodial or anything at all?

742
01:00:37,624 --> 01:00:38,304
I think we're close.

743
01:00:38,444 --> 01:00:39,224
We're getting there.

744
01:00:41,104 --> 01:00:43,404
But yes, it's got to be easy.

745
01:00:43,524 --> 01:00:46,664
It's got to be one click, two clicks, tops.

746
01:00:47,004 --> 01:00:49,364
No need to talk about any of these distinctions

747
01:00:49,364 --> 01:00:51,444
between key send, L and URL.

748
01:00:51,644 --> 01:00:53,664
Now, if the artist wants to dig in,

749
01:00:53,664 --> 01:00:56,504
then that's great.

750
01:00:57,424 --> 01:01:00,164
They can go to the advanced settings in their app

751
01:01:00,164 --> 01:01:03,204
and play around and click on the readmes and whatnot.

752
01:01:03,424 --> 01:01:05,344
But that needs to be their choice,

753
01:01:05,524 --> 01:01:07,064
not something that's forced upon them.

754
01:01:07,624 --> 01:01:20,004
You know, I'm very bullish and I'm very bearish on this opportunity for musicians. If I had this 30 years ago when I was, you know, making the rounds in L.A., I would have been all over it.

755
01:01:20,684 --> 01:01:25,984
So it kind of surprises me that it hasn't blown up yet.

756
01:01:25,984 --> 01:01:30,364
but that's why I'm still so passionate about it.

757
01:01:30,484 --> 01:01:30,724
Like I,

758
01:01:31,444 --> 01:01:32,564
you and I and,

759
01:01:32,564 --> 01:01:36,224
and Sam and open mic and my wife and,

760
01:01:36,224 --> 01:01:39,604
and Derek and Heather and everybody,

761
01:01:39,804 --> 01:01:40,104
Adam,

762
01:01:40,264 --> 01:01:41,504
everybody who's in this space,

763
01:01:41,504 --> 01:01:44,484
like we see it for what it is,

764
01:01:44,564 --> 01:01:45,784
is going to be.

765
01:01:45,984 --> 01:01:46,764
And I think that,

766
01:01:46,844 --> 01:01:47,004
you know,

767
01:01:47,024 --> 01:01:51,464
we can sit here and talk about the challenges that artists face in the

768
01:01:51,464 --> 01:01:54,784
fiat world and the challenges that they face when they're onboarding into

769
01:01:54,784 --> 01:01:55,164
this world.

770
01:01:55,164 --> 01:02:13,244
But I think we also need to recognize that I think that Bitcoin is going to need some sort of massive public moment that really kind of, you know, that pushes it over the edge for everybody else.

771
01:02:13,244 --> 01:02:21,924
And that's harder for people in this country, in the Western world, to see that possibility.

772
01:02:22,564 --> 01:02:32,244
You know, when you speak with people in developing nations who are into Bitcoin, you get it because they, you know, they got onto it so much faster because of the instability within their own countries.

773
01:02:32,244 --> 01:02:43,504
Over here, they don't necessarily see the opportunity as quickly as they should because of the relatively stable environment that we're all in.

774
01:02:45,024 --> 01:02:48,784
So, you know, but I'm bullish and I'm bearish on it.

775
01:02:49,284 --> 01:02:53,644
You know, I'm amazed that it hasn't blown up yet.

776
01:02:53,644 --> 01:03:01,584
I'm amazed we haven't had some C-level or B-level artist give the middle finger to the record companies and the distributors and say,

777
01:03:01,584 --> 01:03:07,524
screw it. I own my whole catalog and I'm going over here, you know? Um, but you know, that,

778
01:03:07,644 --> 01:03:12,084
that's another thing that, that I think would really help, you know, it's, you know, these are

779
01:03:12,084 --> 01:03:17,804
massive, uh, cultural and technological problems that we, that we need to overcome. And it's,

780
01:03:17,884 --> 01:03:22,444
and it's, it's never just one thing in life. I don't care if it's a car accident, a sales pitch

781
01:03:22,444 --> 01:03:29,804
or, or fixing something like it's never just one thing. And there's a lot, um, there's a lot of

782
01:03:29,804 --> 01:03:32,704
opportunity here, but there's still some bumps.

783
01:03:36,804 --> 01:03:42,404
Let's, I do want to come back to one of the things you've mentioned there, which is Bitcoin's

784
01:03:42,404 --> 01:03:48,064
perception in the West, especially these days in America, it's gotten sanitized with these

785
01:03:48,064 --> 01:03:53,904
treasury companies, politicized with what I was happening, strategic reserve and all of that stuff.

786
01:03:53,904 --> 01:03:56,164
but let's

787
01:03:56,164 --> 01:03:58,444
listen to the next song first

788
01:03:58,444 --> 01:04:00,684
this is from our mutual friend

789
01:04:00,684 --> 01:04:01,564
Joe Martin

790
01:04:01,564 --> 01:04:04,764
this I think might be the second or third time Joe Martin's made an appearance

791
01:04:04,764 --> 01:04:06,204
on the show

792
01:04:06,204 --> 01:04:07,304
on this young show

793
01:04:07,304 --> 01:04:09,904
and it is

794
01:04:09,904 --> 01:04:12,764
do you want to talk about it

795
01:04:12,764 --> 01:04:13,744
first Jim

796
01:04:13,744 --> 01:04:16,804
yeah just you know it's from his

797
01:04:16,804 --> 01:04:18,504
record called

798
01:04:18,504 --> 01:04:19,324
Small World

799
01:04:19,324 --> 01:04:22,664
you know to know Joe

800
01:04:22,664 --> 01:04:28,144
is to love him. I mean, he's just such, he's a great songwriter and such a sweet guy. Um,

801
01:04:28,244 --> 01:04:35,624
this track really, um, I, I, I'm, I'm so impressed with his songwriting ability, um,

802
01:04:36,724 --> 01:04:43,404
and, and how somebody from the, you know, the middle of the UK can sound like they grew up,

803
01:04:43,404 --> 01:04:50,024
uh, in the Laurel Canyon neighborhood of LA. Right. Um, but this is, this is one of my favorite

804
01:04:50,024 --> 01:04:56,544
tracks of his um for for two reasons number one the instrumentation of it i love i love his use

805
01:04:56,544 --> 01:05:04,784
of the double bass and the lap steel in this and number two um i love how he didn't edit himself

806
01:05:04,784 --> 01:05:12,084
lyrically in this song this is a hard topic breakups are hard right and it's it's just like

807
01:05:12,084 --> 01:05:18,504
you're just turning over a bucket of emotion on this um yeah that's all i'll say about this one

808
01:05:18,504 --> 01:05:25,484
It's one of my favorite Joe tracks, and I hope he's listening.

809
01:05:25,824 --> 01:05:27,044
He's such a good dude.

810
01:05:28,104 --> 01:05:28,704
For sure.

811
01:05:29,344 --> 01:05:32,284
This is Killing Me Slowly by Joe Martin.

812
01:05:32,284 --> 01:06:02,264
guitar solo

813
01:06:02,284 --> 01:06:04,284
Didn't want this anymore

814
01:06:05,284 --> 01:06:07,284
That's how we left it

815
01:06:08,284 --> 01:06:09,284
Last time

816
01:06:10,284 --> 01:06:14,284
I always seem to find my way back in your life

817
01:06:15,284 --> 01:06:18,284
And it's killing me

818
01:06:21,284 --> 01:06:25,284
Slowly

819
01:06:25,284 --> 01:06:36,144
Sitting on my porch smoking a fuck you cigarette

820
01:06:36,144 --> 01:06:40,844
Tortured by the memories I try so hard to forget

821
01:06:40,844 --> 01:06:45,704
Will you call me up that night and say that we ain't done just yet

822
01:06:45,704 --> 01:06:49,344
Then I'm running back to you again

823
01:06:49,344 --> 01:06:54,704
I say to the mirror, this is the last time

824
01:06:54,704 --> 01:07:00,384
But you always somehow making me change my damn mind

825
01:07:00,384 --> 01:07:08,024
You steal my heart and smash it apart

826
01:07:08,024 --> 01:07:17,284
I want out of this somehow

827
01:07:17,284 --> 01:07:25,984
We're one out of us

828
01:07:25,984 --> 01:07:30,724
Girl, I thought that I could handle

829
01:07:30,724 --> 01:07:33,564
A girl like you, but I can't

830
01:07:33,564 --> 01:07:38,824
Can you see that you're killing me slowly?

831
01:07:47,284 --> 01:07:51,284
Looking at you sleeping as a lion in your bed.

832
01:07:51,284 --> 01:07:55,284
And you'll be lying to yourself when I leave.

833
01:07:55,284 --> 01:08:07,782
Saying you be moving on to someone else instead You won just give in to all you need I could drink myself blind

834
01:08:07,782 --> 01:08:10,402
But I'd still walk right behind you

835
01:08:10,402 --> 01:08:14,042
Picking up the pieces of our lives

836
01:08:14,042 --> 01:08:16,742
And if that ain't enough

837
01:08:16,742 --> 01:08:19,442
I'll deny your love's a drug

838
01:08:19,442 --> 01:08:20,982
And I'm an addict

839
01:08:20,982 --> 01:08:24,822
And it's killing me slowly

840
01:08:24,822 --> 01:08:34,802
Well I want out of this somehow

841
01:08:34,802 --> 01:08:44,002
I want out of you and me

842
01:08:44,002 --> 01:08:49,742
Girl I thought that I could handle a girl like you

843
01:08:49,742 --> 01:08:52,122
But I can't, can't you see

844
01:08:52,122 --> 01:08:56,122
That you're killing me slowly

845
01:08:56,122 --> 01:09:02,702
You're gonna be the end of me, girl

846
01:09:02,702 --> 01:09:06,782
Killing me slowly

847
01:09:06,782 --> 01:09:11,262
Mmm

848
01:09:11,262 --> 01:09:13,262
Mmm

849
01:09:13,262 --> 01:09:25,082
That was Killing Me Slowly by Joe Martin.

850
01:09:25,622 --> 01:09:30,782
And Jim, you know, with a guy like Joe, such a soft-spoken, happy guy,

851
01:09:31,442 --> 01:09:35,842
and most of his songs are just beautiful and gentle.

852
01:09:35,842 --> 01:09:37,662
And this one is true, right?

853
01:09:37,782 --> 01:09:42,082
It's a soft, gentle song, but then you hear some of the lyrics,

854
01:09:42,082 --> 01:09:48,882
and you're like oh wow he felt it and yeah yeah yeah that's what i mean like i i love how he didn't

855
01:09:48,882 --> 01:09:54,162
edit himself on that you know like you know like rhyming couplets and making sure everything hits

856
01:09:54,162 --> 01:10:00,882
the right syllables and you know trying to be so scientific and and um uh you know an actuary with

857
01:10:00,882 --> 01:10:05,482
your songwriting and this is like oh this is a breakup song like i'm just gonna i'm just gonna

858
01:10:05,482 --> 01:10:11,582
bucket out my vomit on the floor here right like this is that's great i love that one yeah and yet

859
01:10:11,582 --> 01:10:12,942
somehow gentle in

860
01:10:12,942 --> 01:10:15,302
the classic

861
01:10:15,302 --> 01:10:16,222
Joe Martin way.

862
01:10:17,562 --> 01:10:18,882
Yeah, good kid.

863
01:10:19,202 --> 01:10:20,222
Yeah, for sure.

864
01:10:21,002 --> 01:10:23,482
He doesn't know this yet, but once he

865
01:10:23,482 --> 01:10:25,482
approaches the

866
01:10:25,482 --> 01:10:27,562
release, or when it's just

867
01:10:27,562 --> 01:10:29,182
about to be released, his new album,

868
01:10:29,802 --> 01:10:31,282
he's going to come on the show

869
01:10:31,282 --> 01:10:33,082
and he's going to play his songs.

870
01:10:33,842 --> 01:10:34,282
Yeah.

871
01:10:35,282 --> 01:10:37,742
Good. Yeah, I look forward to it.

872
01:10:38,022 --> 01:10:38,722
I look forward to it.

873
01:10:38,722 --> 01:10:40,762
Yeah, I saw him

874
01:10:40,762 --> 01:10:49,522
gosh i want to say it was autumn or late summer here he uh here in nashville he had just been here

875
01:10:49,522 --> 01:10:56,182
recording the record and caught him between sessions and it was a treat to see him so

876
01:10:56,182 --> 01:11:02,742
well he played the set with uh ainsley at bitcoin park and i was there for that one but when was

877
01:11:02,742 --> 01:11:07,842
that for nosterville wasn't it yeah that was the last time i saw him i i couldn't i couldn't make

878
01:11:07,842 --> 01:11:15,082
it that night for whatever reason. I think I had a gig that night. But I met him for lunch that day.

879
01:11:15,582 --> 01:11:20,382
And I do want to talk about your music as well, Jim. But let's talk about this topic first,

880
01:11:20,382 --> 01:11:28,042
which is what you mentioned right before we played the song. Bitcoin perhaps doesn't have that

881
01:11:28,042 --> 01:11:35,142
appeal in not yet anyway in the West that it does in countries that are suffering from

882
01:11:35,142 --> 01:11:40,182
hyperinflation that are suffering from authoritarian regimes that and you know people are using it as

883
01:11:40,182 --> 01:11:49,622
an escape hatch not not some shiny investment uh as tends to be the case here uh i think one of the

884
01:11:49,622 --> 01:11:55,162
interesting things with bitcoin is that look bitcoin was a money that was born out of rebellion

885
01:11:55,162 --> 01:11:59,962
right chancellor on the brink of bailout of the banks if it came out of the ashes of the 2008

886
01:11:59,962 --> 01:12:06,402
financial crisis. And it is, in some sense, a dissident money, right? It's a money that you can

887
01:12:06,402 --> 01:12:17,302
use without anyone's permission. And somehow, in the last two or three years, especially in the US,

888
01:12:18,102 --> 01:12:23,762
but that's kind of permeated to Western Europe as well, is this sanitized version of Bitcoin,

889
01:12:23,762 --> 01:12:25,082
where the suits have come in.

890
01:12:25,522 --> 01:12:30,122
And we have politicians talking about creating strategic reserves.

891
01:12:30,122 --> 01:12:36,202
And that, at least in the countries where this is happening,

892
01:12:36,462 --> 01:12:40,042
that dissident, rebellious nature of Bitcoin,

893
01:12:40,142 --> 01:12:44,782
which I honestly think is, that hasn't actually gone away, right?

894
01:12:44,822 --> 01:12:50,082
You can still use Bitcoin for exactly those reasons that it was created for,

895
01:12:50,082 --> 01:12:55,102
which is money that only you control and there's no third party involved.

896
01:12:56,782 --> 01:13:03,722
But that is not as apparent here because of the sanitization and politicization that's happened.

897
01:13:03,722 --> 01:13:11,162
And I'm sure, Jim, especially on the politicization front, you've run into issues trying to onboard musicians.

898
01:13:12,722 --> 01:13:14,522
Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure.

899
01:13:14,522 --> 01:13:23,542
And I think what you're talking about that's happening over here is just the standard fare for anything like this, for any cultural change like this.

900
01:13:23,642 --> 01:13:29,222
I don't care if it's, you know, a new technology or a new medicine or things like this.

901
01:13:29,362 --> 01:13:33,142
You know, at first it's evil and it's bad.

902
01:13:33,402 --> 01:13:41,742
And then as the truth and the quote unquote science behind it comes out, people are like, oh, maybe it's not so bad.

903
01:13:41,742 --> 01:13:51,562
Oh, maybe the state of Tennessee should put 10% of their budget into a Bitcoin reserve, which they started talking about openly, right?

904
01:13:52,522 --> 01:13:55,862
That doesn't, yeah, it doesn't really surprise me.

905
01:13:56,182 --> 01:14:01,742
It's just kind of like the standard progression of life, you know.

906
01:14:03,042 --> 01:14:10,742
Think back, I don't know why I just thought of this, but you think back 150, 200 years ago, and people thought that tomatoes were dangerous.

907
01:14:10,742 --> 01:14:12,802
and terrible, right?

908
01:14:12,902 --> 01:14:15,162
And then finally, I think that the old wives' tale

909
01:14:15,162 --> 01:14:17,442
is like some guy cut one open

910
01:14:17,442 --> 01:14:18,842
and stood up in front of a crowd

911
01:14:18,842 --> 01:14:19,962
and took a bite out of it.

912
01:14:20,102 --> 01:14:22,322
It was like, not a big deal.

913
01:14:23,682 --> 01:14:25,302
You know, so I don't, yeah,

914
01:14:25,382 --> 01:14:29,102
that whole side of it doesn't bother me.

915
01:14:29,202 --> 01:14:31,342
And I think in many respects it's needed

916
01:14:31,342 --> 01:14:36,102
so that the greater public, you know,

917
01:14:36,102 --> 01:14:39,822
will go, oh, well, if Jamie Dimon

918
01:14:39,822 --> 01:14:46,342
is now okay with it being part of their portfolio, or if this bank is now okay with Bitcoin being part

919
01:14:46,342 --> 01:14:53,082
of their portfolio, maybe it isn't a bad thing. Maybe it's not all drug money, like Elizabeth

920
01:14:53,082 --> 01:15:05,322
Warren said. Maybe it's not being nefariously used primarily around the world. So that's just

921
01:15:05,322 --> 01:15:10,342
kind of like the natural course of life for me i think it's i i i think it's it's good

922
01:15:10,342 --> 01:15:16,622
that it doesn't bother me it's getting it's getting washed over just if because if it helps

923
01:15:16,622 --> 01:15:24,582
the the the normies out in the middle of the world go oh well maybe i should buy 200 bucks and

924
01:15:24,582 --> 01:15:31,142
and start taking a look at it what i was saying is it's losing its punk rock element

925
01:15:31,142 --> 01:15:34,462
which had probably had that niche appeal.

926
01:15:35,422 --> 01:15:37,262
But yes, no, I see what you're saying, Jim.

927
01:15:37,502 --> 01:15:40,422
Yeah, but everything, but doesn't everything though, Avi?

928
01:15:40,622 --> 01:15:45,222
I mean, punk rock lost its appeal, its punk rock appeal, right?

929
01:15:45,482 --> 01:15:49,062
I mean, you know, tie-dye shirts.

930
01:15:49,422 --> 01:15:52,002
You see conservatives wearing tie-dye shirts.

931
01:15:53,382 --> 01:15:56,282
You know, you see, you know, I mean,

932
01:15:56,322 --> 01:15:59,142
I think everything loses its punk rock appeal

933
01:15:59,142 --> 01:16:00,862
until the next Jagged Edge appears.

934
01:16:01,142 --> 01:16:04,222
You know, that's just kind of like sociology, I think.

935
01:16:06,902 --> 01:16:09,222
So, Jim, let's play your last song.

936
01:16:09,422 --> 01:16:13,562
And then I want to talk about your musical career as well.

937
01:16:14,062 --> 01:16:14,582
Okay.

938
01:16:14,582 --> 01:16:22,122
So this one is Halfway to Houston by Alicia Stockton.

939
01:16:22,342 --> 01:16:22,802
Stockman?

940
01:16:22,962 --> 01:16:23,542
Did I get the name?

941
01:16:23,562 --> 01:16:23,842
Yeah.

942
01:16:24,282 --> 01:16:27,582
She, I found her on Wavelake.

943
01:16:28,762 --> 01:16:30,742
She played bands at Bitcoin here.

944
01:16:31,142 --> 01:16:41,722
2024. Alicia is the real deal. She is an independent artist based in Utah trying to

945
01:16:41,722 --> 01:16:48,702
make it work. And I love her writing and I love her voice. She's kind of like a cross between

946
01:16:48,702 --> 01:16:53,702
Patti Griffin and Emmylou Harris. This is a great arrangement. I think she recorded it

947
01:16:53,702 --> 01:16:57,622
out here in Nashville. Like she comes out once or twice a year and does tracks out here.

948
01:16:57,622 --> 01:17:04,702
listen to the vocal recording on this the compression and the reverb on her voice is just

949
01:17:04,702 --> 01:17:12,022
absolutely fantastic great lyrics lovely progression in the bridge like this is a great

950
01:17:12,022 --> 01:17:18,202
example of how I've always viewed songwriting as like building a house right like the chorus is

951
01:17:18,202 --> 01:17:22,862
the kitchen and the verses are the bedrooms that type of thing and then when you go into the bridge

952
01:17:22,862 --> 01:17:25,502
it's like, you know, you find this whole other room.

953
01:17:26,722 --> 01:17:29,222
But yeah, this song's called Halfway to Houston.

954
01:17:29,402 --> 01:17:32,242
It's from her record called These Four Walls.

955
01:17:32,362 --> 01:17:35,022
And she's a great artist from Utah

956
01:17:35,022 --> 01:17:36,162
and she's the real deal.

957
01:17:37,342 --> 01:17:40,642
Halfway to Houston by Alicia Stockman.

958
01:17:52,862 --> 01:18:00,282
I was up before the sun that morning

959
01:18:00,282 --> 01:18:08,282
Tiptoeing on eggshells and packing up my car

960
01:18:08,282 --> 01:18:16,242
The key was on the counter when I locked the door behind me

961
01:18:16,242 --> 01:18:23,162
So I wouldn't have the chance to change my mind

962
01:18:23,162 --> 01:18:31,642
I was halfway to Houston by the time he woke up

963
01:18:31,642 --> 01:18:38,522
Did he wonder was I coming back or was he glad to see me gone

964
01:18:38,522 --> 01:18:43,822
I was trying not to turn that car around

965
01:18:43,822 --> 01:18:49,322
I was halfway to Houston

966
01:18:49,322 --> 01:18:53,162
And I broke down

967
01:18:53,162 --> 01:19:03,702
I guess you could say that nothing happened

968
01:19:03,702 --> 01:19:10,522
It's not the same saying nothing was wrong

969
01:19:10,522 --> 01:19:16,162
And how could we not notice

970
01:19:16,162 --> 01:19:19,582
A tender touch turned cold

971
01:19:19,582 --> 01:19:26,602
It takes time to build a callus thick enough

972
01:19:26,602 --> 01:19:31,602
I was halfway to Houston

973
01:19:31,602 --> 01:19:35,242
By the time he woke up

974
01:19:35,242 --> 01:19:39,202
Did he wonder was I coming back

975
01:19:39,202 --> 01:19:42,022
Or was he glad to see me gone?

976
01:19:43,142 --> 01:19:47,302
I was trying not to turn that car around.

977
01:19:49,062 --> 01:19:52,802
I was halfway to Houston.

978
01:19:53,922 --> 01:19:56,402
And I broke down.

979
01:20:01,522 --> 01:20:04,062
For the first time.

980
01:20:05,222 --> 01:20:07,642
Oh, in a long time.

981
01:20:07,642 --> 01:20:11,962
I had the chance to ask myself

982
01:20:11,962 --> 01:20:14,102
Just what I needed

983
01:20:14,102 --> 01:20:18,022
Oh, the interstate

984
01:20:18,022 --> 01:20:22,182
Gave me space to see it

985
01:20:22,182 --> 01:20:25,182
And then every mile

986
01:20:25,182 --> 01:20:47,480
Hurt just a little less guitar solo I just knew less I was halfway to Houston

987
01:20:47,480 --> 01:20:51,160
By the time he woke up

988
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:55,060
Did he wonder was I coming back

989
01:20:55,060 --> 01:20:58,260
Or was he glad to see me gone

990
01:20:58,260 --> 01:21:03,220
And I knew that there was no turning around

991
01:21:03,220 --> 01:21:08,620
I was halfway to Houston

992
01:21:08,620 --> 01:21:12,380
Halfway to Houston

993
01:21:12,380 --> 01:21:15,840
Halfway to Houston

994
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:19,380
When I broke down

995
01:21:25,060 --> 01:21:39,700
That was Halfway to Houston by Alicia Stockman.

996
01:21:40,100 --> 01:21:42,040
Another great pick there, Jim.

997
01:21:42,540 --> 01:21:43,360
Love those.

998
01:21:43,380 --> 01:21:43,520
Nice, buddy.

999
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:45,720
Yeah, I like those guitars.

1000
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:48,380
I love that guitar tone, you know.

1001
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:55,020
It's a bit of the George Harrison type vibe as well.

1002
01:21:55,060 --> 01:21:56,580
yeah

1003
01:21:56,580 --> 01:21:58,660
yeah I can see that

1004
01:21:58,660 --> 01:22:01,380
early 70s

1005
01:22:01,380 --> 01:22:03,680
Harrison solo records type of stuff

1006
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:03,960
yeah

1007
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:07,380
so

1008
01:22:07,380 --> 01:22:09,160
Jim let's talk about

1009
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:11,200
we've spent this entire time

1010
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:11,760
with you

1011
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:15,340
talking about Ainsley who's a great musician

1012
01:22:15,340 --> 01:22:16,820
and all these other great musicians

1013
01:22:16,820 --> 01:22:18,840
that you've

1014
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:21,160
shared here but

1015
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:22,540
you're a musician yourself

1016
01:22:23,540 --> 01:22:28,940
So let's talk about that journey and what you're doing on that front these days.

1017
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:37,620
Well, for me, it's really just, I mean, it's more than a hobby.

1018
01:22:37,700 --> 01:22:40,480
Of course, it's my passion.

1019
01:22:42,220 --> 01:22:48,080
I am 55, but I'm still playing gigs actively.

1020
01:22:48,900 --> 01:22:50,660
I started when I was a kid.

1021
01:22:50,660 --> 01:22:59,260
I started playing piano when I was nine. Just about every day that I come down here in my studio, I've got my piano up.

1022
01:23:01,860 --> 01:23:07,180
I started writing when I was 15, started playing in bands when I was 13.

1023
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:14,780
Started at the University of Colorado as a piano composition major.

1024
01:23:14,780 --> 01:23:23,780
and left college for two and a half years to go on the road and play piano for a touring production.

1025
01:23:25,100 --> 01:23:31,380
And then I studied jazz piano and jazz guitar in Switzerland for half a year and loved it.

1026
01:23:31,380 --> 01:23:37,980
That was 93. Went back to the University of Colorado, got my undergrad in advertising.

1027
01:23:37,980 --> 01:23:45,680
I didn't, you know, after being in music school for a while, I was like, I don't want to be a,

1028
01:23:46,540 --> 01:23:49,400
you know, what the hell am I going to do with this degree? I don't want to be a teacher.

1029
01:23:51,100 --> 01:23:56,260
And I regret that decision now. I kind of wish I would have gotten my undergrad in music and

1030
01:23:56,260 --> 01:24:02,360
education, but moved out to LA, did the singer songwriter thing from 95 to 03,

1031
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:12,180
uh, had a lot of fun, um, got, got pretty close, um, but, uh, definitely learned a lot and had a

1032
01:24:12,180 --> 01:24:18,020
lot of great experiences. I was able to tour for another two years. I was able to, uh, record and

1033
01:24:18,020 --> 01:24:25,580
work, uh, in some of the best studios out there. Um, I played just about all the clubs on Sunset

1034
01:24:25,580 --> 01:24:30,340
Strip. I played the Whiskey, the Troubadour, uh, the Rainbow Room, House of Blues, um,

1035
01:24:30,340 --> 01:24:39,420
dragon lair uh genghis cohen like you name it um i had a lot of fun doing it um and then quite

1036
01:24:39,420 --> 01:24:47,900
frankly i got sober i've been sober now 25 years and um just had to walk away from it from my own

1037
01:24:47,900 --> 01:24:54,660
sanity um and um my wife and i just had to get the hell out of southern california so

1038
01:24:54,660 --> 01:25:03,920
we, we left, we moved to the East coast and, and I kind of put it down for about five years or so.

1039
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:10,280
And then I started playing and pick up bands again, just for fun. And then, and then we moved

1040
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:19,480
back to the West coast. We moved to Seattle and really quickly I started playing in bands out

1041
01:25:19,480 --> 01:25:27,380
there, my wife came across a group, a big band that was in need of a piano player. And before I

1042
01:25:27,380 --> 01:25:34,760
knew it, in Seattle, I was playing in like seven bands at one time. I was playing in two big bands,

1043
01:25:34,860 --> 01:25:42,540
a jazz quartet, an independent rock project that introduced me to a great scene in Seattle.

1044
01:25:42,540 --> 01:25:51,580
and I got really busy even though I had a great day job in Seattle I was I was doing like 60 70

1045
01:25:51,580 --> 01:25:57,120
gigs a year and just loving it and then and that's that's right about the time that my daughter caught

1046
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:02,100
the music bug and I really started working with her and just teaching her about running a band and

1047
01:26:02,100 --> 01:26:06,880
you know teaching her about how to be a musician and things like that and then

1048
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:14,340
she wanted to move here to support her career. And obviously, my wife and I were behind that.

1049
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:19,140
We felt at the time that, you know, there was really only one or two more things she could

1050
01:26:19,140 --> 01:26:26,120
have done in Seattle. So why wait? Let's just go. So we moved here to Nashville in January 2020.

1051
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:29,040
And then, of course, six weeks later, everything shut down.

1052
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:39,080
um but um i was lucky enough in my time as as a musician i i put out a solo record 95 and then

1053
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:48,340
that morphed into a band and we put out another 10 songs in like 2000 2001 um i had it i had

1054
01:26:48,340 --> 01:26:56,400
two dozen other tracks that i had um written up and recorded at home that i'm uh starting to release

1055
01:26:56,400 --> 01:27:02,580
re-release um and all of those were in the singer songwriter rock and roll vein with me on guitar

1056
01:27:02,580 --> 01:27:11,240
but uh as a um as a musician piano was my first love um and that that was in the very first record

1057
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:16,660
i ever wrote was all instrumental stuff on piano and i had i've gone back and re-recorded those

1058
01:27:16,660 --> 01:27:19,540
uh within the past year and and i put them up on um

1059
01:27:19,540 --> 01:27:28,520
fountain just instrumental piano pieces oh wow so yeah so you can like there's a there's 10 songs

1060
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:35,960
that's that's all instrumental piano um over on fountain that you can find um and i've and

1061
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:41,380
between you and me avi i've got two more records in my brain that i want to record before i die

1062
01:27:41,380 --> 01:27:46,380
and i gotta i probably got about 25 years to do it right like i want to do it i want to do another

1063
01:27:46,380 --> 01:27:48,280
singer-songwriter album

1064
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:49,320
with me on guitar.

1065
01:27:49,980 --> 01:27:52,360
And I have a couple dozen

1066
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:53,100
ideas,

1067
01:27:55,140 --> 01:27:56,200
instrumental ideas

1068
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:57,560
that I want to do

1069
01:27:57,560 --> 01:27:58,720
with a

1070
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:01,140
jazz quartet.

1071
01:28:02,820 --> 01:28:03,840
But, you know,

1072
01:28:04,060 --> 01:28:06,140
as the saying goes,

1073
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:07,900
life is what happens when you're busy

1074
01:28:07,900 --> 01:28:08,940
making other plans.

1075
01:28:10,340 --> 01:28:11,940
So I've just, you know,

1076
01:28:12,060 --> 01:28:13,900
music has been

1077
01:28:13,900 --> 01:28:23,800
the third greatest joy of my life, the first two being my family, right?

1078
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:34,480
And even today, I love going out and playing with other people. Ainsley does a podcast with a great

1079
01:28:34,480 --> 01:28:38,600
singer-songwriter here in town by the name of Catherine, and I've been playing piano for her

1080
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:45,660
at some gigs and it just love it, love doing it. Um, I go play the casinos up in, in, uh, Kentucky

1081
01:28:45,660 --> 01:28:52,560
and Indiana with this top 40 band. Um, and I love it, you know, and I, and I've been, uh, been playing,

1082
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:58,120
uh, like classic rock and classic country here with a bunch of, you know, with, with a bunch

1083
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:04,500
of good old boys. And, and it has taught me a whole other side of piano. So, um, you know,

1084
01:29:04,500 --> 01:29:07,740
some guys go hunting, some guys go boating, some guys go golfing.

1085
01:29:07,980 --> 01:29:11,500
For me, like if I'm not doing the day job thing,

1086
01:29:11,660 --> 01:29:15,500
I'm picking up a guitar or playing piano.

1087
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:17,220
Love that, Jim.

1088
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:20,980
And folks, make sure you check out Jim's music on Fountain.

1089
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:24,180
I will put a link to that in the show notes.

1090
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:29,680
And I'm always on the lookout for independent background music

1091
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:33,340
for whether it's podcasting or filmmaking or what have you.

1092
01:29:34,500 --> 01:29:40,780
Jim, so I've been turning to AI for that, which is actually, depending on how you prompt it.

1093
01:29:41,440 --> 01:29:42,880
You're breaking my heart, baby.

1094
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:53,360
But if there is independent instrumental music, especially piano pieces, then certainly worth looking into.

1095
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:55,820
So Jim, I'm going to play my song now.

1096
01:29:55,820 --> 01:30:02,340
And I think by now, people who have listened to the last few episodes kind of know that it's not quite going to be a branch song.

1097
01:30:02,340 --> 01:30:07,460
and we're going to drop the vocals for this one.

1098
01:30:08,540 --> 01:30:12,240
Sometimes the best way to reset on a Sunday

1099
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:15,260
is just to let the rhythm do the thinking for you.

1100
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:17,780
And the next track is a beautiful piece

1101
01:30:17,780 --> 01:30:19,060
of instrumental storytelling

1102
01:30:19,060 --> 01:30:23,420
from an avant-garde project called Shmooley Kraut.

1103
01:30:23,580 --> 01:30:24,860
I think I'm pronouncing that right.

1104
01:30:24,860 --> 01:30:26,320
And as the name suggests,

1105
01:30:26,620 --> 01:30:30,000
it has elements of the kraut rock tradition.

1106
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:32,100
the track is called

1107
01:30:32,100 --> 01:30:33,540
Carsis 3

1108
01:30:33,540 --> 01:30:36,520
it's repetitive

1109
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:38,700
but it's still rhythmic somehow

1110
01:30:38,700 --> 01:30:40,520
it's a fractal loop

1111
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:42,500
that pulls you inward

1112
01:30:42,500 --> 01:30:44,740
so stare out of the window

1113
01:30:44,740 --> 01:30:46,760
and make sure you add a splash

1114
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:47,960
of bourbon to your coffee

1115
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:50,440
you're going to need it

1116
01:30:50,440 --> 01:30:51,880
nice

1117
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:29,980
Thank you.

1118
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:59,980
Thank you.

1119
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:29,980
Thank you.

1120
01:32:30,000 --> 01:33:02,358
Thank you Thank you MUZIEK

1121
01:33:24,358 --> 01:33:25,358
***

1122
01:33:54,358 --> 01:34:04,358
MUZIEK

1123
01:34:24,358 --> 01:34:54,338
TV Gelderland 2021

1124
01:34:54,358 --> 01:35:24,338
TV Gelderland 2021

1125
01:35:24,358 --> 01:35:54,338
TV Gelderland 2021

1126
01:35:54,358 --> 01:36:24,338
TV Gelderland 2021

1127
01:36:24,358 --> 01:36:30,918
Dat was Karsus 3 by Schmooleykraut.

1128
01:36:31,078 --> 01:36:33,178
En wat on earth was dat?

1129
01:36:33,378 --> 01:36:35,878
Ik weet het niet, maar ik absoluut het.

1130
01:36:36,238 --> 01:36:36,878
Dit is het.

1131
01:36:36,978 --> 01:36:38,038
Ja, go ahead, Jim.

1132
01:36:38,638 --> 01:36:42,778
Ik was going to zeggen, ik ben zitten hier googel wat de helde Karsus is.

1133
01:36:43,358 --> 01:36:45,918
Ik ben, de song was in drie movements.

1134
01:36:46,098 --> 01:36:46,398
Yes.

1135
01:36:46,478 --> 01:36:48,338
Dat is probably waar de Rome manoeuvre 3 is.

1136
01:36:48,438 --> 01:36:49,438
Maar ja, ik agree met je.

1137
01:36:49,478 --> 01:36:50,338
Wat de helde was dat?

1138
01:36:50,338 --> 01:36:54,938
Dat was like Jethro Toll, Rick James, Daft Punk, Progressive Rock.

1139
01:36:55,358 --> 01:36:56,038
Like everything.

1140
01:36:56,218 --> 01:36:56,978
Dat was beautiful.

1141
01:36:57,138 --> 01:36:57,518
I loved it.

1142
01:36:57,518 --> 01:36:58,858
Yeah, so you nailed it there, Jim.

1143
01:36:58,938 --> 01:37:01,738
The song managed to squeeze three completely different,

1144
01:37:01,878 --> 01:37:04,998
but somehow cohesive movements into a five-minute span.

1145
01:37:06,178 --> 01:37:09,678
This is the kind of song that would happen if you got Robert Fripp

1146
01:37:09,678 --> 01:37:14,318
to do the string arrangements and sound mixing for a Stephen Wilson fever dream

1147
01:37:14,318 --> 01:37:15,998
rather than the other way around.

1148
01:37:15,998 --> 01:37:22,398
Het is een soundtrack to een 1970s sci-fi movie dat never werd gemaakt

1149
01:37:22,398 --> 01:37:25,818
omdat de director werd hart-attacht midwijd bij de CIA

1150
01:37:25,818 --> 01:37:27,938
voor het blijk de whistle op de moon landing.

1151
01:37:28,418 --> 01:37:30,798
Maar het zou hebben gemaakt door David Lynch.

1152
01:37:31,138 --> 01:37:36,498
Yes, er is ook de perfect thinking music.

1153
01:37:36,738 --> 01:37:41,598
Het is ook een long article, of just staring solemnly.

1154
01:37:42,418 --> 01:37:45,718
At Number Go Down, which is wat ik seem te doen deze dag,

1155
01:37:45,718 --> 01:37:49,498
Het is de kind van instrumental track dat helpt je lock in.

1156
01:37:51,658 --> 01:37:55,298
Je seem pretty astute aan music.

1157
01:37:55,458 --> 01:37:57,258
Do you play music at all?

1158
01:37:57,418 --> 01:37:58,658
Do you know music theory?

1159
01:37:59,718 --> 01:38:02,498
Only, so my brother's a musician.

1160
01:38:02,858 --> 01:38:04,038
And he's completely self-taught.

1161
01:38:04,038 --> 01:38:07,938
So when you were saying you taught yourself piano when you were nine,

1162
01:38:08,038 --> 01:38:09,158
it kind of reminded me of my brother,

1163
01:38:09,298 --> 01:38:11,418
who self-taught himself piano when he was six.

1164
01:38:12,778 --> 01:38:15,058
And then he has a band.

1165
01:38:15,058 --> 01:38:17,578
So he taught me a few chords on the guitar.

1166
01:38:17,718 --> 01:38:20,398
So I understand how chord progressions work.

1167
01:38:20,498 --> 01:38:23,518
I know how to construct, well, theoretically,

1168
01:38:24,238 --> 01:38:29,738
how the melody itself is sort of carried on the chord progressions

1169
01:38:29,738 --> 01:38:32,638
and you can sort of tweak things with that.

1170
01:38:32,718 --> 01:38:35,418
And I listen to a lot of prog rock, Jim.

1171
01:38:35,418 --> 01:38:39,898
So the odd time signature thing is like bread and butter for me.

1172
01:38:40,578 --> 01:38:43,478
Yeah, that's what got me in the first movement there.

1173
01:38:43,478 --> 01:38:47,198
Ik was zitten hier, je hebt me, ik ben counting uit de vijf,

1174
01:38:47,858 --> 01:38:51,098
want het was vijf, vijf, en dan ze een measure van vijf,

1175
01:38:51,978 --> 01:38:56,018
en dan een vijf, en dan een andere vijf, en dan ze drie meisjes van vijf.

1176
01:38:56,118 --> 01:38:57,578
Ik ben, wat de hel is er dan hier?

1177
01:38:57,718 --> 01:38:59,998
Ja, dat is het leuk.

1178
01:39:00,118 --> 01:39:02,338
Maar je bent een jazz musician, toch, right, Jim?

1179
01:39:03,158 --> 01:39:06,818
Ja, dat is mijn biggest passion.

1180
01:39:06,918 --> 01:39:10,238
Dat is wat ik hou van de vijf, want het meest challenges me.

1181
01:39:10,238 --> 01:39:10,678
de moest.

1182
01:39:11,238 --> 01:39:11,938
Het is gewoon,

1183
01:39:12,338 --> 01:39:14,558
playing in top 40

1184
01:39:14,558 --> 01:39:15,058
or country,

1185
01:39:15,358 --> 01:39:16,298
oké, het is fun,

1186
01:39:16,438 --> 01:39:17,078
find the pocket,

1187
01:39:17,678 --> 01:39:18,898
maar if I'm not

1188
01:39:18,898 --> 01:39:20,098
doing something

1189
01:39:20,098 --> 01:39:20,918
that's making me

1190
01:39:20,918 --> 01:39:22,118
a better musician,

1191
01:39:23,718 --> 01:39:25,098
I can get bored

1192
01:39:25,098 --> 01:39:25,618
pretty quickly.

1193
01:39:25,838 --> 01:39:26,878
Jazz never does that.

1194
01:39:26,998 --> 01:39:27,958
Jazz intimidates

1195
01:39:27,958 --> 01:39:28,838
the shit out of me.

1196
01:39:29,898 --> 01:39:31,158
The most fun

1197
01:39:31,158 --> 01:39:31,938
I've ever had

1198
01:39:31,938 --> 01:39:32,918
has been playing

1199
01:39:32,918 --> 01:39:33,838
in jazz quartets

1200
01:39:33,838 --> 01:39:34,378
and trios

1201
01:39:34,378 --> 01:39:36,198
because you're just

1202
01:39:36,198 --> 01:39:37,078
riding the rail

1203
01:39:37,078 --> 01:39:38,218
every gig.

1204
01:39:38,218 --> 01:39:43,438
??

1205
01:39:43,438 --> 01:39:46,358
Ik wil het meer dan anything else.

1206
01:39:46,618 --> 01:39:47,918
Het is mijn favorit genre.

1207
01:39:48,118 --> 01:39:49,298
In een vreerde woorden, ik wil eenや余 πολjeringen cole

1208
01:39:49,298 --> 01:39:51,518
vad further calls het jazz pianist.

1209
01:39:51,718 --> 01:39:53,458
Ik wil je voorle기 laten,

1210
01:39:53,458 --> 01:39:55,118
dan grant me dat label.

1211
01:39:55,238 --> 01:39:56,978
Ik wil WiFiavored� うwpez dat label.

1212
01:39:57,118 --> 01:39:58,398
Maar ik wil niet zeggen het aan mij.

1213
01:39:59,038 --> 01:40:03,458
En er is eenel Belblijat tussen pro het vonegages,

1214
01:40:03,598 --> 01:40:05,818
vanavadharen en Ger 63.

1215
01:40:05,818 --> 01:40:11,438
which is all about playing with time signatures and jazz.

1216
01:40:11,598 --> 01:40:15,938
In a strange way, they sort of connect horseshoe theory, as some say.

1217
01:40:16,378 --> 01:40:21,718
It moves so far away from the unstructured nature of jazz

1218
01:40:21,718 --> 01:40:23,118
that it comes all the way around,

1219
01:40:23,618 --> 01:40:27,798
sounding a bit like jazz at times.

1220
01:40:28,798 --> 01:40:34,858
Yes, in the same way that you can take Haydn's symphonies

1221
01:40:34,858 --> 01:40:38,198
Fox Brandenburg Concertos

1222
01:40:38,198 --> 01:40:40,258
en

1223
01:40:40,258 --> 01:40:42,078
draw

1224
01:40:42,078 --> 01:40:43,118
a straight line

1225
01:40:43,118 --> 01:40:46,138
to speed metal

1226
01:40:46,138 --> 01:40:48,478
draw a straight line

1227
01:40:48,478 --> 01:40:49,538
to

1228
01:40:49,538 --> 01:40:52,118
a lot of that really

1229
01:40:52,118 --> 01:40:53,698
fast paced

1230
01:40:53,698 --> 01:40:55,478
Yngwie Malmsteen type of

1231
01:40:55,478 --> 01:40:57,098
rock music

1232
01:40:57,098 --> 01:40:57,898
absolutely

1233
01:40:57,898 --> 01:41:01,558
so Jim

1234
01:41:01,558 --> 01:41:03,458
anything else you want to

1235
01:41:03,458 --> 01:41:05,558
de audience with? Wat kan we

1236
01:41:05,558 --> 01:41:07,598
look forward to from Phantom Power

1237
01:41:07,598 --> 01:41:09,618
media, from you personally, from

1238
01:41:09,618 --> 01:41:11,638
Ainsley, from Julie?

1239
01:41:14,978 --> 01:41:15,538
Well,

1240
01:41:15,738 --> 01:41:17,438
me personally, you can catch me at

1241
01:41:17,438 --> 01:41:19,498
Bally's Casino in Hemmingsville,

1242
01:41:19,598 --> 01:41:20,958
Indiana, at the end of the month.

1243
01:41:24,478 --> 01:41:25,758
I know Ainsley

1244
01:41:25,758 --> 01:41:27,658
and her buddy

1245
01:41:27,658 --> 01:41:29,798
Katie, they're doing the Snap podcast,

1246
01:41:30,138 --> 01:41:31,418
which is

1247
01:41:31,418 --> 01:41:33,398
cool. If you're a songwriter,

1248
01:41:33,458 --> 01:41:39,678
They talk about a lot of the stuff that you and I talked about in terms of Bitcoin and whatnot.

1249
01:41:41,038 --> 01:41:51,458
I think Ainsley has a gig in D.C. March 15th, right around the whole Runster event with PubKey, I think.

1250
01:41:51,658 --> 01:41:52,818
Don't quote me on that.

1251
01:41:54,338 --> 01:42:00,098
Hoping Frog happens, musically speaking.

1252
01:42:00,098 --> 01:42:02,478
Ik weet dat ze had een conversaties op dat.

1253
01:42:02,678 --> 01:42:04,598
Maar dat is niet mijn plekje om te zeggen.

1254
01:42:04,678 --> 01:42:07,238
Wanneer dat ze er niet mee is.

1255
01:42:07,458 --> 01:42:08,078
Ze zijn er niet mee.

1256
01:42:08,918 --> 01:42:11,178
Voor Ainslie's band, ik ben gewoon de bass player.

1257
01:42:14,038 --> 01:42:17,698
Ik denk we're going to be...

1258
01:42:17,698 --> 01:42:18,658
Of ze is er niet mee.

1259
01:42:18,658 --> 01:42:20,478
In Camp Nakamoto in New Hampshire.

1260
01:42:21,758 --> 01:42:22,538
Dat'll be fun.

1261
01:42:25,518 --> 01:42:29,878
Julie has started talking to some guys.

1262
01:42:29,878 --> 01:42:31,358
at Bitcoin for the Arts,

1263
01:42:31,598 --> 01:42:32,218
which is

1264
01:42:32,218 --> 01:42:35,218
based out of Chicago.

1265
01:42:35,498 --> 01:42:37,758
They support artists across

1266
01:42:37,758 --> 01:42:39,178
all disciplines

1267
01:42:39,178 --> 01:42:41,358
with Bitcoin for

1268
01:42:41,358 --> 01:42:43,118
microgrants and workshops.

1269
01:42:43,518 --> 01:42:45,938
It's not Dionne Wilson by any chance, is it?

1270
01:42:46,278 --> 01:42:47,278
I think it is.

1271
01:42:47,358 --> 01:42:49,478
Oh yeah, I'm working with him. They're based out of New York,

1272
01:42:50,018 --> 01:42:50,818
Jim. Oh, okay.

1273
01:42:51,418 --> 01:42:52,558
I'm involved in that.

1274
01:42:54,058 --> 01:42:54,518
Oh, good.

1275
01:42:54,518 --> 01:42:54,898
Yeah.

1276
01:42:55,098 --> 01:42:56,198
You know, I'm just

1277
01:42:56,198 --> 01:42:59,378
Ik ben gewoon voor de ride in

1278
01:42:59,378 --> 01:43:00,458
in sommige respect.

1279
01:43:02,158 --> 01:43:03,498
Maar ja, en Jules

1280
01:43:03,498 --> 01:43:04,318
has been working on

1281
01:43:04,318 --> 01:43:07,418
a project here for de past couple months

1282
01:43:07,418 --> 01:43:09,018
dat ik weet dat ze verkozen

1283
01:43:09,018 --> 01:43:09,638
is hier volgens her.

1284
01:43:10,758 --> 01:43:13,278
Dat is het. Angelica's got some gigs coming up

1285
01:43:13,278 --> 01:43:15,298
en goed stuff coming.

1286
01:43:16,118 --> 01:43:16,578
Awesome.

1287
01:43:17,158 --> 01:43:19,058
Great. Well, thank you for

1288
01:43:19,058 --> 01:43:21,458
stopping by, Jim, and thank you for

1289
01:43:21,458 --> 01:43:23,218
sharing this great music.

1290
01:43:24,058 --> 01:43:25,118
Good conversation.

1291
01:43:25,118 --> 01:43:27,138
looking forward to

1292
01:43:27,138 --> 01:43:29,658
everything that you

1293
01:43:29,658 --> 01:43:31,598
and your family, really super family

1294
01:43:31,598 --> 01:43:33,718
in the value space

1295
01:43:33,718 --> 01:43:35,038
has in store

1296
01:43:35,038 --> 01:43:38,018
and thank you

1297
01:43:38,018 --> 01:43:39,958
to our live stream audience for listening

1298
01:43:39,958 --> 01:43:41,178
and for the zaps

1299
01:43:41,178 --> 01:43:44,038
if you're listening to the recorded

1300
01:43:44,038 --> 01:43:46,198
episode and this session

1301
01:43:46,198 --> 01:43:48,078
added a little flavor

1302
01:43:48,078 --> 01:43:50,098
to your day, if it helped you

1303
01:43:50,098 --> 01:43:51,958
reset, relax or discover

1304
01:43:51,958 --> 01:43:54,278
a new favorite track, please consider

1305
01:43:54,278 --> 01:43:55,278
***

1306
01:44:24,278 --> 01:44:54,258
Dank u wel.

1307
01:44:54,278 --> 01:45:24,258
TV Gelderland 2021

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01:45:24,278 --> 01:45:54,258
TV Gelderland 2021