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Welcome, gentle plebs, to another dose of Plep Chain Radio Layer 2.

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Today's guest is the ever-curious Daniel Prince, husband, father, host of the Once Bitten Podcast, and author of Choose Life.

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we'll wander through three rabbit holes he's been mapping in recent years

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and I might toss in a surprise detour of my own

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all set let's dive in daniel welcome to pleb chain radio layer two thank you for having me mate

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excited to do this great to see you in prague again in person yes always always mate uh it's

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always great to hang out with you and family uh it's getting fewer and further in between

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mostly because i have become a little reclusive since prague of last year and i think prague of

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This year was probably one of my very few conferences since then.

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But I think hanging out with you, the wife and kids,

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is one of the highlights for me.

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Thank you very much, mate.

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Yeah, it was great to see you.

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And, yeah, don't be a recluse anymore.

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We need more Avi out and about and your wife and Ishan as well

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at the conferences.

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Always fun.

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Yes, I think that is about to change, mate.

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But Daniel, we wanted to talk about rabbit holes.

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And rabbit holes are something you are especially a connoisseur of.

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You spent a lot of time studying these things that would, frankly,

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setting aside even normies who would certainly be stunned at the type of,

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I can only imagine they'd be stunned at the type of research that you do in these incredibly difficult topics in some cases.

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But even some Bitcoiners aren't quite ready for the type of questions that you ask and the detours that you find and you go into.

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So before we dive into any specific rabbit hole, what was it that made you jump into this?

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Because you are a successful podcaster.

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You could have just been spinning out NGU hopium, especially now, and the sponsors will come pouring in.

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It's NGU season. It's paper Bitcoin summer, as people like to call it.

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You can make bank made.

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And instead, you're dealing with topics that, in fact, in some cases, would make people turn the podcast off.

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Yeah, yes.

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good question why

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it's funny I saw

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our close friend Joe

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Nakamoto tweet something out

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just yesterday or today

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something along the lines of what you just said

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I think he said

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find every number go up

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hopium chart

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drawing technical

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analyst

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price pumping

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guru and put them on mute

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and your Twitter feed will be much better.

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But you're right.

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If you play that game, that clickbait game,

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you attract what you put out there, right?

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And if that's all you're talking about,

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like the charts, this, that, and the other thing,

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and you're mesmerizing people with weird words

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and financial engineering and lines on graphs,

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people get intoxicated by that kind of stuff.

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And that's not what we're here for.

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That's certainly not what I'm here for.

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Number go up.

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It was in the beginning.

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Let's all be very honest with ourselves.

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You see an investment opportunity and you realize that you need to hold this asset and as much of it as you possibly can, as quickly as you possibly can, and carry on building that conviction.

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A lot of people get lost along the way and don't build the conviction.

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and by not building the conviction, that's when you sell out

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and end up with less Bitcoin than you should have had

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if you'd have just carried on reading the books or reading the articles,

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listening to the podcast, watching the videos of the people

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that aren't just chilling the number-go-up stuff.

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I don't know.

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It's probably because of my career in foreign exchange.

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I was a foreign exchange broker for currency options desks in London and Singapore.

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And I've seen people chase riches and get wrecked.

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And I don't want anybody to end up in these scenarios where they just end up losing everything,

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not just the money, but their families and their lives and their lifestyle.

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And that's all because they're chasing a quick buck.

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So when people tune into the podcast, I'd like for them to understand that Bitcoin, give it four to eight years.

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All you've got to do is keep your foot in, keep your dollar cost average going, self-custody your Bitcoin, buy peer-to-peer whenever you can, and keep building that conviction and you'll be fine.

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And through that, through those people I've met like you, you realize you go through a persona change.

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You go through something deeply profound happens.

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And that's why I used to love listening to John Vallis's podcast back in the day.

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He used to talk about this on almost every episode.

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And that helped me build my conviction.

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And it helped give me social proof as well as to the emotions I was going through.

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Why was I waking up at 3 a.m. with epiphanies?

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every other night you know this that never used to happen in my fiat lifetime what's changed why is

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why is my brain suddenly thinking longer term why am i why am i getting pulled into thinking in

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certain different ways and knut was another great inspiration listening to uh to his books or his

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interviews or reading his books and his thoughts on things you know philosophical questions uh gg

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another great person that brought a lot to my table,

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reading his work and having him on the podcast as well in the early days.

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Incredible insights from people.

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And then you kind of, once you let your mind wander to where it is pulled,

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goodness knows where you're going to end up.

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You know, you've ended up writing a book.

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yourself. You've been drawn towards the arts. There's certainly a reason for that somewhere,

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I suppose. You can tell us all about that. For whatever reason, I've been more drawn towards

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who set this whole system up. And I guess that's probably, again, I spent 18 years in the belly of

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the beast i guess my subconscious is trying to figure out why were you there what was that thing

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you know where did it all come from so i get attracted to books like the secrets of the

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federal reserve and the the work of eustace mullins and then i read eustace's work and then

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that puts me onto his book the uh murder by injection and he uncovers the the way that the

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medical system has been put together and then you realize this is the same cast of characters

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and then you get drawn down the rabbit hole of the education system and you've got John Taylor

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Gatto writing incredible books about how that was set up from the inside he was a state teacher in

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New York for 30 years and he just blows the lid off it and you know it tells you how this system

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was set up and you're like wait a minute that's the same cast of characters so you have the same

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cast of characters that captured the energy and then they captured the education and they captured

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the monetary system and they captured the health system and you have all of those livers to pull

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and that's how society is controlled uh and then you from there the the myriad of rabbit holes

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um we can we can go wherever you like mate but uh that's uh i and i guess just having an inquisitive

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mind and um willing to learn uh is something i think is inherent in all of us it just needs

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unlocking yeah and you'd mentioned education that's the first rabbit hole i want to start

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with but before that daniel you'd you'd mentioned a few names and their works knuth gg john ballas

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and a few others.

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And certainly I've benefited as much

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from their writings, their philosophy

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in helping me understand not just Bitcoin,

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but the world and these different complex systems

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and interconnectedness and so on.

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That said, a lot of what we see today,

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just going back to the earlier point,

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is NGU charts and so on.

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So do you get the sense that Bitcoin culture today,

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in the summer of 2025 is suffering a crisis of authenticity?

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Certainly in certain pockets, yes.

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Yeah, I guess it's a good thing that we're not all singing

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from the same hymn sheet, though.

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I've always found it quite amusing when people accuse us Bitcoiners

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of being stuck inside an echo chamber.

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You're like, what?

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An echo chamber is when you shout an idea into the echo chamber

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and you get reinforcing feedback.

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You throw an idea out into the Bitcoin space

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and you're going to get wrecked pretty soon from multiple directions.

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You'll have some people agree with you,

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but you'll have others just tear you down for what you're putting out there.

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and this is a good thing right we're supposed to uh uh attack the idea and not the person also

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we certainly forgotten about that in the last 18 months or so with the knots and core debate because that what makes us stronger And that what hones your thinking and that what hones your ideas

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And we need that discourse.

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We need that pushback.

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Otherwise, we would be stuck in an echo chamber and we'd all be doing the Kumbaya.

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Here we are, $123,000.

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And, you know, let's all go out and buy our Lambos.

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that certainly what you find, I guess, over time is that,

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but this goes in cycles, doesn't it?

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So the people at the moment that are singing the number go up siren song

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are going to attract the next lot of retail investors

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and they're going to be following that siren song

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and they're going to be making decisions on the back of what that person

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or people are saying and they're not going to hear the other people like yourself or like myself or

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you know perhaps other other podcasters out there that are like guy who does all the reading and

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he he's not going to do a number go up reading right he's not going to read the the standard

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charted report that by end of q3 bitcoin is going to be 130 000 but he is going to read you the book

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The Great Taking by David Rogers Webb, which is absolutely incredible and is going to give you a completely different perspective.

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You're probably not going to find that work for another 18 months.

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And by then, Bitcoin is going to have halved and you've probably sold out because you've been following the wrong kind of people.

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How do we break the cycle? I don't know.

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How do we help people ignore the number go up?

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I don't think we can. It is what it is.

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And we just have to be there with a solid voice and keep doing the work that we're doing to put out the signal rather than contribute to the noise.

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Yeah.

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Fair enough.

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I think my worry, and I guess it shouldn't be a worry, it should just be it is what it is, is NGU adoption.

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Yes, for sure.

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It's maybe one of the quickest ways of getting folks in.

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I just wonder how sticky that adoption is.

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But that said, Daniel, let's move on to the rabbit holes themselves.

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Enough of this meta-analysis.

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You talked about education, and of course you are well-known for your book, Choose Life,

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in which you talked about exiting the fiat matrix both as an adult, quitting their fiat job,

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but also for kids, right?

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For your kids, you pull them out of traditional fiat education.

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You world schooled for a while.

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So what set you off on that path?

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Yeah, that was reading a book called The 4-Hour Workweek by Tim Ferriss

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at the back end of 2013.

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Whilst I was at my desk,

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reading a book of how to escape your fiat job

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basically. And that just turned my head upside down. It made me realize I was living a deferred

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lifestyle and time is our ultimate currency. And I was spending it in all the wrong places.

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I wasn't spending it where I needed to be spending my time. And that was with my wife,

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with my four children, you know, with my family. Instead, I was locking myself away in a cubicle

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or in meetings and then dinners or drinks two or three nights a week

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or golf weekends with clients, you know, all of the fiat corporate stuff.

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And I was living an upside-down life,

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and it was that book that helped me see that and really shook me awake

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and made me start trying to put a plan together, think differently.

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how can I live a different life and all of this happened like I said back in 2013 by

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March no excuse me May 2014 I'd quit and we'd taken the kids out of school and we'd started

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traveling with them we we just uh upped sticks we left Singapore uh a country that had been our home

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for 15 years at that point all the children had been born there and we built I'd built the the

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You know, the thick end of my career there and all of our friends were there.

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Our network was there.

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And all of a sudden we were gone and we were just traveling and we were bouncing around with four kids aged under eight, going from experience to experience and just just living.

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And this was pretty Bitcoin as well.

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So I thank you again to Tim Ferriss.

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And for anybody that's not read that book, it's definitely worth checking out.

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So you pulled your kids out of school and started world schooling even before you had, well, of course, as you said before Bitcoin, but even before you had started questioning the schooling system.

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Is that correct?

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Yeah.

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Up until that point, my wife had questioned it.

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She didn't like the way that it was run in Singapore.

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We'd started the kids off in international schools,

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but they were just so expensive,

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inhibitively so,

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especially when you start having multiple children.

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And the state school there,

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she wasn't fond of the way that they were very strict

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and streamlined on certain subjects.

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You have the, like the,

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I'm sure you're very familiar, Alvi,

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with the idea of a tiger mum.

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Sure.

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Yeah, where the kids just get pushed so hard

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from a very, very early age

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because the mothers and the parents

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are on the children to outperform and overperform

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and you create this horrible, competitive, toxic environment

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and the kids are just, they're so oppressed.

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They can't just be children.

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they have to be on the top of their game

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they have to be top of their math class

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and they have to be picked up from school

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at half past one in the afternoon

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because that's when it would finish

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because it's tropical heat

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so schools are early

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like 7am to 1pm whatever it was

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and then they're off to extra math classes

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or off to a classical musical instrument class

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or something as a backup

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if you couldn't make it as a mathematician

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then you damn well make it as a classical musician

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or engineer was the other thing

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but that went with math

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so this created pretty toxic environments

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and Claire certainly wasn't happy with the way

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that was being rubbed off onto the kids

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she didn't want that life for her kids

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and of course I didn't question it

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I was in the office all day Avi

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I'd get home and I wouldn't want to listen to the moaning

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you know i i've been busy at work all day woman like don't lay this on my table as soon as i walk

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through the door i'm the provider you know you have a shelter you have food the kids are they're

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clothed they have school what else do you want from me uh but um yeah it was all about thinking

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deeper and thinking differently and then when we did start thinking about um changing our life

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the big question obviously was over how's it going to affect the kids and you're so brainwashed into

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believing that the only way children learn is in a school setting which is absolute insanity when

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you look at the the history and the timeline of our species like if you take a 30 centimeter ruler

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for example if you want to picture it in your mind that the schooling system as we know it is the last

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millimeter everything else that come before it like that was natural learning the last millimeter

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is you know funneling children into a 30 person class and having them all sit down together and

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read from the same book together and stand up together and walk down the corridor and dress

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the same as each other and into the next lesson and force feed them this information it's that's

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it's madness when I look back at it

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that I thought that was the only way that children learn

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and that's the only way that you're going to get ahead in life

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and get a job and be able to

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function in society

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it's insanity

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and it was taking the kids out of school

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starting the journey

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starting the travels, unplugging from the system

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seeing with my own eyes the way that we were all growing

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not just the kids, that we were all growing and we were all learning and how learning happens naturally and how learning happens at completely different stages for completely different people, completely different levels, completely different speed.

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And it's all linked to interest. It's all linked to experience.

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And it just shattered everything I ever knew.

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Then I started digging deeper, found the works of John Taylor Gatto and Sir Ken Robinson were probably the most influential.

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And yeah, more than happy to keep delving into that wherever the conversation leads us.

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Well, it's interesting that you mentioned you pulled them out of school in Singapore and your wife was having misgivings about the system there because Singapore is often held up as the shining example of an excellent educational system.

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I think it's typically Singapore and one of the Nordics.

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It could be Finland.

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Finland, yeah.

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and you didn't see

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especially in retrospect

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you didn't see

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any marvellous education

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there either

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no and ask Nico

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who runs

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Consensus Network about the education

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system in Finland because he's Finnish

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and yeah

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what we're told these are just narratives

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and the narrative out of Singapore

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would be one of the best

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education systems in the world and they're just basing that on the level of uh of of past grades

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that's all it's based on so you're literally diminishing the the child the children two numbers

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or letters depending on whether you're getting marked out of a hundred or if you're being given

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an a b or c you're literally just putting a uh a number or a letter on their head which is

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is so degrading you know it which is weird because you know that's their grade right

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they are graded and and i the way i think about it is like any form of grading is degrading because

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you you love art avi how on earth can somebody like an art teacher give a grade to a piece of

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art to a child that has spent goodness knows how long you don't know how long they spent at home

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working on that piece of art you don know what it truly actually physically and metaphysically means to them what what being you know transferred from their subconscious onto that piece of paper and

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then handed into their teacher to get an e whilst the person next to them gets an a that's it is

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antithetical to art to grade art the way i understand it at least uh but that teacher is

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sitting there objectively grading the the artwork and but yet you can go off and get an art degree

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uh and maybe that's the study of art and rather than being graded on you know what what you're

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producing so i don't know riff on that with me how does that hit home no i think the art one

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makes sense because it's so subjective now in some cases not all in some cases you can't spot

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a low effort work, right?

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And by the way, if you're talking about five, six-year-olds,

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it's madness, absolute madness to grade anything.

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Now, if you're talking about slightly older kids,

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14, 13, 14, 15, the age of our kids, Daniel,

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I think it is possible to spot a lazy effort,

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although it's not guaranteed, right?

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It could just be a style.

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Now, so I think grading art in general

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does sound mad to me.

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But what about mathematics, though?

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That is an objective discipline, right?

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There is a certain rigor and method

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that you apply to solving problems.

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And then at the end of that method,

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there is an answer.

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And the answer can either be right

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or it's wrong.

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So that can be graded, correct?

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Yes, I would say absolutely.

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and um it's and again the way the education system is set up with math in particular and

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if you look at math it's like the be all and end all right this is what everybody wants every

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parent is just praying that they gave birth to a math genius and they're not going to have to go

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through the same stigma that they went through through their own traumatic 15 year experience of

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of uh of school and math and the reason again the education system is set up in a certain way

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to get certain results and to cream the crop to cream those math geniuses because

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it is literally the only only people that can get like the real top marks in uh yes of course

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there's a lot of hard work but there is a certain natural brain wiring that uh people are attracted

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to math or engineering. For example, an artist is not going to be your math genius generally,

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right? Your linguist is not going to be your math genius generally. It's going to be the

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engineering types, the physics types, the people that just love getting lost in those numbers and

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seeing it as a puzzle and can keep up with the pace at which it spat out at you in the classroom.

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and to be asking an 11 year old to 12 year old to be you know jumping from primary school straight

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into a secondary school straight into algebra uh is a big ask especially when you're only doing

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two maybe three classes a week of math at the same time you know you you might walk in on a

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monday morning you've had the weekend and you're hit with math and you're like looking at all these

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numbers and letters on the paper all of a sudden like what the hell is this and you've got an hour

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and a half to grok that then the bell goes and you walk down the corridor then you're in an english

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lesson then the bell goes then you've got a lunch break then the bell goes then you're in a geography

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lesson then the bell goes then you're in a science lesson then the bell goes and you can walk home

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and you get home you're like what the fuck just happened i've got another four days of that coming

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at me you can never get into a flow state on anything you can't even find out what your true

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interest is and that's by design and this is what john taylor gatto tells this is this is what he

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he helped me understand by reading his book uh he realized he had been trained to do this he's like

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i had been trained instead of mentoring children i had been trained which is something he was a

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passionate about and wanted to do like any other teacher he had been trained to confuse

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and that was a very dark place for him to to find himself in because if you are that kid

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like let's say you're you're you're an hour into your math lesson and you're just you're just

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grasping it you're just getting it and you want more and you want more and you want to up your

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just give me an extra line on this equation let's see if I can go there and then the bell goes and

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you're gone and you're not back for another three days and you're left on your own devices for the

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next three days because you don't have time to revisit it because you've got everything else

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that's going on in your life you've got your family life once you get home or you've got to

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smash out some kind of school project that's been landed in your lap from a different subject

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it's um it's a real shame uh because how many more math genuses could we have

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and what what would that look like for everybody you know this like this language of truth as you

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so rightly said that the foundation for perhaps understanding our universe in a much more

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clarified way but instead it it gets rushed over glossed over and that those those people that do

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have just a natural aptitude that they get put in the higher sets and this is how this is how it

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worked in singapore you know if you at the age of six they tested them avi six math exams and

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if you showed aptitude you were top top set for everything you'd be top set for english

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you'd be top set for art you'd be top set for music whatever it was all based on that math

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exam and to be putting children through this is i i think honestly i think it's child abuse

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yeah it's it it certainly is dangers and before we get into the why because that can very quickly

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take us to a dark place and we'll go there let's just let's linger on the what for a little bit

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longer because I think it's worth

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looking at the absurdity of this

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as well. And we'll stay on mathematics.

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An incredibly

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beautiful discipline, if taught

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right. And I, you know,

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I went through the...

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So I actually benefited from going to school, Daniel,

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where I did not have exams

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until 8th grade, late in 8th

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grade, which is still bad,

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right? Why have exams at 14

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where you haven't, you know... But at least

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I avoided them up until that age

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because it was based on

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Jiddha Krishnamurti's philosophy. But that said, you know, looking back, I've studied mathematics,

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I'm an engineer, went all the way through grad school, so it's been a fairly integral part of my

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life. And looking back at the way I was taught, such a missed opportunity. Now, I was somehow

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able to figure out that mathematics is indeed an incredibly beautiful language of the universe,

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in some sense.

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But it starts so poorly.

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I mean, just think about a 13 or 14-year-old

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having to learn about the volume of a cone,

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4 by 3 pi r cube or whatever that formula is.

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They look at that.

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They give them half the variable or, you know, yeah.

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Or they give them all the variables and say,

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well, find the volume.

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How is this relevant to their lives?

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And they would be completely right in saying,

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what the hell is pi?

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And the answer would be, oh, it's just a thing.

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don't worry about it. It's approximately

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3.14159. Just plug

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it in.

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But why? Where did this pie come from?

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And why am I measuring the volume of

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a cone? And so it's

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taught in such an incredibly

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detached way. It's not just that.

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Even logarithms, even calculus, which is

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really

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in theory can be the gateway

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to magic, to truly

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unlocking the magical secrets

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of the universe. It's taught

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in an utterly dogmatic and nonsensical way.

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And let me ask you this, Daniel.

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Here's how I've been thinking.

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If I were given the opportunity

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to rethink the education system,

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I would make it 100% project and outcome-based.

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So you find a group of kids and say,

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hey, build an app end to end, right?

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An app that does X, Y, Z,

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or even give them a choice.

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Give them a broad sort of set of things

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and say, choose from here

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what kind of app you want to build.

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you have to do everything including pitching it right and then they'd say okay now i have to learn

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how to code oh wait a second uh you how do i code now it's uh oh i have to learn a little bit of

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mathematics so i have to put it in a loop i have to you know what for this app for some reason i

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need to calculate the you know surface areas and volumes of just so that i can come up with some

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mathematical approximation so working back from that real world outcome and project you then figure

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out what you need to learn. You learn it because you have an end goal in sight. And you can apply

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that not just to an engineering project, but, you know, biological project, a geographic project,

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right? It's always outcome. And then that way, the kid knows why they're doing something. They

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know where it applies instead of today's completely detached, dogmatic and abstract

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system that we have.

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Yeah, and your example is so perfect.

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Like, you know, Pi.

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Like, just throw a number out there,

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use that equation, and let's go.

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What a story you could attach to that.

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Like, who was Pythagoras?

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Where did he come from?

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What was he thinking?

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What led him here?

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Why do we still use it?

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What were his teachings?

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Who did he teach?

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who did he mentor and what you like imagine how deep you could get make it tangible otherwise

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just like here's here's a shape on a paper uh circumference diameter radius pie you know draw

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a circle what's the area within that like who wants to learn that and like the you can't that's

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just forced information that's there's that's teaching not learning and there's no and by the

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way you have to keep up with like the teacher is so powerless in in this situation because they're

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just following the curriculum or let's change that word to agenda and they have to there's a

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beat to that drum as well they've got to have this delivered by week six and they've got to move on to

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something by week eight and that's got to be delivered by week nine and then tested for

461
00:34:48,571 --> 00:34:57,391
the understanding of the classroom as a whole by week 11. All of this, it's so systematic.

462
00:34:58,391 --> 00:35:18,916
Learning isn systematic Learning is a beautiful wonderful process that should happen at one own pace when one is you know like I said we learn through stories right When you hear that story you might get pulled into all kinds of different rabbit holes

463
00:35:18,916 --> 00:35:22,816
of that particular story and that particular person's life. And that might bring you back

464
00:35:22,816 --> 00:35:28,156
to their mathematic equations and that might unlock so much more. Like Fibonacci's spiral

465
00:35:28,156 --> 00:35:35,136
is another absolute perfect example of understanding that and how that applies to the natural world

466
00:35:35,136 --> 00:35:46,456
the learnings you can get from that it's just unbelievable but what do we do instead we just

467
00:35:46,456 --> 00:35:52,256
learn we just teach kids like number patterns and you try and you know like the little game is

468
00:35:52,256 --> 00:35:56,436
how many numbers of the fibonacci spiral can you remember and then figure out and blah blah blah

469
00:35:56,436 --> 00:36:01,956
or how many digits of the Pythagoras infinite number string can you remember?

470
00:36:02,556 --> 00:36:05,396
And all of these little tricks, these rote memory games,

471
00:36:05,396 --> 00:36:13,276
which are traps in the education system to pull you into rote-based learning

472
00:36:13,276 --> 00:36:20,776
and rote-based memory rather than exploring the actual beauty of the thing

473
00:36:20,776 --> 00:36:25,296
that you have the opportunity to be exposing yourself to.

474
00:36:26,436 --> 00:36:43,896
And you have these students who are forced, as you said, forced to be in these, whatever, 45-minute, one-hour periods until the bell rings, forced to listen to these completely abstract concepts that they see no applicability to.

475
00:36:43,896 --> 00:36:47,236
and then they have to immediately switch context

476
00:36:47,236 --> 00:36:48,156
into the next period

477
00:36:48,156 --> 00:36:51,436
like switching from Pythagoras to geography

478
00:36:51,436 --> 00:36:54,096
learning about some river flowing through

479
00:36:54,096 --> 00:36:55,996
or deltas or igneous rocks

480
00:36:55,996 --> 00:36:56,976
or whatever it might be

481
00:36:56,976 --> 00:37:00,096
and again just taught at

482
00:37:00,096 --> 00:37:01,276
spoken to

483
00:37:01,276 --> 00:37:03,716
and it's no wonder that

484
00:37:03,716 --> 00:37:07,216
any curious mind that's in there

485
00:37:07,216 --> 00:37:08,656
that youthful spark

486
00:37:08,656 --> 00:37:09,556
which is still there

487
00:37:09,556 --> 00:37:11,076
until it's completely beaten out

488
00:37:11,076 --> 00:37:12,656
and most people by 18

489
00:37:12,656 --> 00:37:16,416
but we're talking about 10, 11, 12-year-olds.

490
00:37:16,876 --> 00:37:19,156
That joy of youth is still there.

491
00:37:19,656 --> 00:37:23,676
And their mind, that joy takes them to staring outside the window,

492
00:37:24,576 --> 00:37:25,456
looking at the birds.

493
00:37:25,496 --> 00:37:28,256
That is your subconscious screaming at you.

494
00:37:29,936 --> 00:37:31,036
Screaming at you.

495
00:37:31,056 --> 00:37:31,236
Right.

496
00:37:31,636 --> 00:37:34,476
I remember vividly staring out the window,

497
00:37:35,236 --> 00:37:39,096
like sat halfway through a classics lesson

498
00:37:39,096 --> 00:37:41,016
or a religious education lesson.

499
00:37:41,016 --> 00:37:46,356
you know one of these filler lessons that you just absolutely had to do or a drama lesson you

500
00:37:46,356 --> 00:37:53,056
know something even like English literature your teacher might be spouting out some

501
00:37:53,056 --> 00:37:59,496
old yee English you know in the style of Shakespeare and you're like what am I doing here

502
00:37:59,496 --> 00:38:04,196
and you're looking out the window that is your subconscious yelling at you like you are trapped

503
00:38:04,196 --> 00:38:12,036
here for no reason there's no reason at all that you should be here and where could we be

504
00:38:12,036 --> 00:38:19,456
Avi if if we weren't locked away for 15 years in these classrooms away from the family unit

505
00:38:19,456 --> 00:38:25,256
and you were allowed to explore what you wanted to explore you know somebody like yourself you

506
00:38:25,256 --> 00:38:30,616
you might have laid on the field outside and just watched the clouds roll by and philosophized in

507
00:38:30,616 --> 00:38:36,236
your mind where would we be if you were allowed to do that where would we be if the kids that just

508
00:38:36,236 --> 00:38:43,556
wanted to go and play football or rugby or tennis or where would our sports be where would our arts

509
00:38:43,556 --> 00:38:50,536
be where would the theater be where would poetry be where would our writing if we were all just

510
00:38:50,536 --> 00:38:57,516
left alone instead of being frog marched into these tiny little cubicle rooms and taught at

511
00:38:57,516 --> 00:39:05,756
for hours and hours a day until that spark is diminished and until you do become just this

512
00:39:05,756 --> 00:39:13,896
autobot just what's going on in schools now and i hear this when i meet other friends and families

513
00:39:13,896 --> 00:39:17,456
around going at the bitcoin conferences you know these friends you know these friends and families

514
00:39:17,456 --> 00:39:22,736
that they're your friends and families too um you hear these horror stories inside the schools

515
00:39:22,736 --> 00:39:30,276
like solitary confinement is a thing now you know it used to just be called detention where if you

516
00:39:30,276 --> 00:39:34,576
were being the naughty if you were looking out the window rv and i caught you and you weren't

517
00:39:34,576 --> 00:39:40,556
paying attention i could keep you 20 minutes behind class now they have like an actual room

518
00:39:40,556 --> 00:39:48,836
that gets locked they have something called silent corridors where you're not if you are

519
00:39:48,836 --> 00:39:55,976
where the teachers stand outside their classroom doors like sentries and police the noise in the

520
00:39:55,976 --> 00:40:04,956
corridor and when people get triggered when i when i compare state schooling to state penitentiary

521
00:40:04,956 --> 00:40:09,916
systems jails and oh you can't do that there's nothing like that what are you talking about

522
00:40:09,916 --> 00:40:15,756
have you seen a playground recently it's completely concrete and it's completely fenced in and it's

523
00:40:15,756 --> 00:40:21,156
locked and you have sentries walking around with whistles and you're generally not allowed to you

524
00:40:21,156 --> 00:40:28,496
know play any any kind of uh ball sports in there because somebody might get hit in the head and uh

525
00:40:28,496 --> 00:40:36,456
yeah that's and in in certainly in this country uh everybody's forced to dress the same you know

526
00:40:36,456 --> 00:40:45,396
uniform one form it's telling you it's telling you what's happening uh it's um it's wild mate

527
00:40:45,396 --> 00:40:48,376
that we still do it.

528
00:40:48,516 --> 00:40:49,736
It gets worse, though,

529
00:40:50,396 --> 00:40:52,216
because these days,

530
00:40:52,736 --> 00:40:53,796
with the wandering mind

531
00:40:53,796 --> 00:40:55,356
and the solitary confinement,

532
00:40:55,576 --> 00:40:57,696
that's just horrific as it is.

533
00:40:58,116 --> 00:40:59,896
They have school psychiatrists now

534
00:40:59,896 --> 00:41:01,196
who, quote-unquote,

535
00:41:01,336 --> 00:41:03,616
diagnose the child with ADHD

536
00:41:03,616 --> 00:41:06,036
and all sorts of conditions

537
00:41:06,036 --> 00:41:07,276
and put them on medication.

538
00:41:07,676 --> 00:41:08,716
And the hapless parents,

539
00:41:09,336 --> 00:41:11,876
I mean, if they're not inquisitive,

540
00:41:12,016 --> 00:41:14,296
if the parents are part of the system too,

541
00:41:14,796 --> 00:41:15,276
they listen.

542
00:41:15,276 --> 00:41:17,136
They say, oh, I guess there's something wrong.

543
00:41:17,236 --> 00:41:20,616
I guess he's not, my child, he or she is not paying attention in class.

544
00:41:20,716 --> 00:41:22,436
Maybe they do have ADHD.

545
00:41:22,876 --> 00:41:32,636
Let's put them on whatever medication, which is, you know, it's a subscription, right, to a pharmaceutical, lifetime subscription to a pharmaceutical company at that point.

546
00:41:32,756 --> 00:41:36,816
And same cast of characters designed both systems.

547
00:41:36,816 --> 00:41:38,116
So you can see how it works.

548
00:41:38,236 --> 00:41:40,256
There's a lady I've had on the podcast.

549
00:41:40,256 --> 00:41:42,096
Her name is Dr. Naomi Fisher.

550
00:41:42,836 --> 00:41:44,576
And she's written two books.

551
00:41:45,276 --> 00:41:50,596
this particular subject that we've touched on right now. She talks about this in her book,

552
00:41:50,756 --> 00:41:59,776
Changing Our Minds. And Naomi was a clinical child psychologist. She was working with inside

553
00:41:59,776 --> 00:42:06,176
the belly of the beast at the National Health System as one of the doctors who would give out

554
00:42:06,176 --> 00:42:14,576
these prescriptions, the diagnoses. And she one day realized, hang on a minute, how do I have

555
00:42:14,576 --> 00:42:23,836
a two-year waiting list of parents bringing their children in in pure desperation she saw

556
00:42:23,836 --> 00:42:32,516
the desperation and she called it she coined it the uh the brain or blame trap because the the

557
00:42:32,516 --> 00:42:41,756
the parent would come in and almost begging for the diagnosis so the child can get back to school

558
00:42:41,756 --> 00:42:47,116
so they can get back to their work because the monetary system, as you know it,

559
00:42:47,236 --> 00:42:53,096
has bankrupted everybody into having two parents work at all times

560
00:42:53,096 --> 00:42:57,436
because they might have ADHD or something.

561
00:42:57,516 --> 00:43:00,236
They're just looking. They need that diagnosis.

562
00:43:01,276 --> 00:43:03,376
And she suddenly flipped the question.

563
00:43:03,536 --> 00:43:06,736
She's like, well, what if it's not the kids?

564
00:43:07,476 --> 00:43:09,116
What if it's the system?

565
00:43:09,116 --> 00:43:11,016
So that sent her down the rabbit hole.

566
00:43:11,016 --> 00:43:13,736
And what she realized with the brain or blame was the parents were coming.

567
00:43:14,996 --> 00:43:16,336
Just tell me, please.

568
00:43:17,056 --> 00:43:19,116
It's something wrong with their brain.

569
00:43:19,916 --> 00:43:22,996
So I don't have to take the blame.

570
00:43:24,276 --> 00:43:29,636
It wasn't me giving them up at the age of one to a daycare.

571
00:43:29,896 --> 00:43:34,876
It wasn't me walking them to their first day at school at the age of three.

572
00:43:35,736 --> 00:43:39,436
And then spending no time with them ever since.

573
00:43:39,436 --> 00:43:44,916
because when you put that on a mother you put that on a parent any parent but specifically a

574
00:43:44,916 --> 00:43:53,856
mother when you realize how this system is set up to for the state to take your children to make

575
00:43:53,856 --> 00:43:58,176
them their property and they've said this before even the uh that the head of harvard has said

576
00:43:58,176 --> 00:44:04,936
something very much along these lines when she she came out uh very aggressively against homeschooling

577
00:44:04,936 --> 00:44:11,596
during the COVID because the pandemic that was going on and locked us all down and more and more

578
00:44:11,596 --> 00:44:17,676
kids were being taken out of school and weren't returning to school because parents were realizing

579
00:44:17,676 --> 00:44:21,916
that it was a damaging place for them and they were much happier within the family unit.

580
00:44:22,476 --> 00:44:28,156
God forbid, right? Who would have figured that one out? She came out and completely smashed the idea

581
00:44:28,156 --> 00:44:32,936
of homeschooling. And you have to remember, I'm paraphrasing, you have to remember that your

582
00:44:32,936 --> 00:44:39,296
children are the the property of the state and for us to uh create a working society they have

583
00:44:39,296 --> 00:44:45,276
to come into school and learn how to act i mean she basically said the quiet part out loud uh and

584
00:44:45,276 --> 00:44:52,916
so so back to back to what you said about um begging almost for this diagnosis and this

585
00:44:52,916 --> 00:44:58,136
subscription the same like the same people set it up the same people set up the education system

586
00:44:58,136 --> 00:45:00,036
that set up the medical system.

587
00:45:00,436 --> 00:45:01,256
And the same people,

588
00:45:02,036 --> 00:45:04,336
the only way you can become a psychologist,

589
00:45:04,796 --> 00:45:05,636
a school psychologist,

590
00:45:06,036 --> 00:45:08,436
or a doctor to prescribe these drugs

591
00:45:08,436 --> 00:45:10,716
is to go through their education system.

592
00:45:11,896 --> 00:45:13,076
You need their certificate

593
00:45:13,076 --> 00:45:16,476
to be able to make this diagnosis,

594
00:45:16,856 --> 00:45:19,076
to be able to be ordained

595
00:45:19,076 --> 00:45:21,356
to push their drugs,

596
00:45:21,356 --> 00:45:23,796
to peddle their drugs onto kids.

597
00:45:25,316 --> 00:45:26,496
It's sick.

598
00:45:28,136 --> 00:45:37,696
So let's get into the why here, Daniel, because I would like to believe far more people in this world are good.

599
00:45:38,876 --> 00:45:43,956
And in fact, very few people other than pure psychopaths are actually evil.

600
00:45:44,356 --> 00:45:50,996
And to be evil, and in fact, we were in Prague, what was it, about a month ago, Daniel,

601
00:45:51,136 --> 00:45:57,336
and there was an amazing fireside chat between our friend Max Hellebrand and Paul Rosenberg,

602
00:45:57,336 --> 00:46:00,456
who is the author of A Lodging of Wayfaring Men.

603
00:46:01,796 --> 00:46:04,476
And Paul Rosenberg, if you haven't heard him speak,

604
00:46:04,676 --> 00:46:07,016
is just such an uplifting.

605
00:46:08,356 --> 00:46:11,896
He's like this warm uncle who, when you listen to him,

606
00:46:11,936 --> 00:46:13,676
is like, everything is going to be okay.

607
00:46:13,856 --> 00:46:14,816
Oh, that's great.

608
00:46:14,816 --> 00:46:20,096
So A Lodging of Wayfaring Men is sort of this cypherpunk Bible,

609
00:46:20,276 --> 00:46:21,096
if you will, right?

610
00:46:21,736 --> 00:46:23,496
It was a book written before Bitcoin,

611
00:46:23,496 --> 00:46:27,276
but it might as well have been a Bitcoin book.

612
00:46:27,276 --> 00:46:30,496
But in any event, in that fireside chat,

613
00:46:30,496 --> 00:46:33,276
Paul said something that really resonated with me,

614
00:46:33,276 --> 00:46:37,236
which is most, if not all people are not evil,

615
00:46:37,236 --> 00:46:39,936
but to do evil, they need to be tricked.

616
00:46:39,936 --> 00:46:41,436
It's good people who've been tricked

617
00:46:41,436 --> 00:46:42,636
into doing something bad.

618
00:46:42,636 --> 00:46:45,056
And I would like to believe that.

619
00:46:45,056 --> 00:46:49,136
So if you go back to why this education system is set up,

620
00:46:49,136 --> 00:46:52,376
set up the way it is, you think about the teachers,

621
00:46:52,421 --> 00:46:58,081
administrators, I think they're all, at some level, they're well-intentioned people. They want the best

622
00:46:58,081 --> 00:47:04,201
for kids, yet they're carrying out instructions. And then, and they're bosses. And then, then we

623
00:47:04,201 --> 00:47:10,641
move into the unseen layers of people who are setting the curriculum. I would hate to think,

624
00:47:10,641 --> 00:47:17,001
Daniel, that these, these are some kind of evil puppet masters who want to destroy society, but

625
00:47:17,001 --> 00:47:22,081
rather, it's just the incentives have been laid out in such a way that they've been tricked into

626
00:47:22,081 --> 00:47:26,381
believing this is the right thing to do but i would love to hear your thoughts on this you've

627
00:47:26,381 --> 00:47:32,221
done way more yeah look the the people in the schools they are of course they're they're lovely

628
00:47:32,221 --> 00:47:39,361
people right they want to make a difference to uh children's lives they they they want to mentor

629
00:47:39,361 --> 00:47:47,141
children and i want i would love for uh there to be open opt-in classes

630
00:47:47,141 --> 00:47:54,941
think about let's just take a general town right let's take a town of i don't know 50 000 people

631
00:47:54,941 --> 00:48:00,501
and there's one school there that serves the 11 to 18 year olds so what have you done you've just

632
00:48:00,501 --> 00:48:07,321
monopolized math teaching to two or three people right the only math teachers that can live in that

633
00:48:07,321 --> 00:48:12,521
area are two or three people because that's as much as the school is going to employ that's

634
00:48:12,521 --> 00:48:16,881
that's crazy and that goes the same with the science same with english that you've

635
00:48:16,881 --> 00:48:23,781
it's completely centralized so you've centralized the talent and you control the talent through the

636
00:48:23,781 --> 00:48:29,501
mechanisms that you have above because you get to write as the creator of these systems you get to

637
00:48:29,501 --> 00:48:36,741
write the curriculums or the agendas as i said that they have to um you know pedal basically and

638
00:48:36,741 --> 00:48:46,661
that it is a trap it is a trap what would a history teacher that studied history to a very

639
00:48:46,661 --> 00:48:52,061
very deep it's a funny funny that i should pick that subject considering what we were talking

640
00:48:52,061 --> 00:48:58,341
about before that how you cannot verify history um because what we're taught through through

641
00:48:58,341 --> 00:49:07,781
schools uh we're taught very much a biased view of history so let's stick with this example a a

642
00:49:07,781 --> 00:49:15,881
teacher has gone through and for even got a phd in history in victorian england but knows it inside

643
00:49:15,881 --> 00:49:24,201
out all the way down sideways up you know like it's unbelievable their knowledge and they want

644
00:49:24,201 --> 00:49:30,101
to teach history so they become a history teacher to teach the second world war from a book at the

645
00:49:30,101 --> 00:49:35,781
same at the same pace as every other history teacher in that country and they're one of two

646
00:49:35,781 --> 00:49:44,061
history teachers in that town so if i want to tap into her knowledge of victorian england

647
00:49:44,061 --> 00:49:51,941
specifically i have to first seek her out and find her and then pay her privately uh but that would

648
00:49:51,941 --> 00:49:56,561
be of course what's that that's moonlighting right you're not allowed to do that you see how

649
00:49:56,561 --> 00:50:04,061
the whole trap sets up and when you look at the the the formation so this is what taylor gatto

650
00:50:04,061 --> 00:50:12,041
talks about in his book anybody should read this um it's called the uh the the underground history

651
00:50:12,041 --> 00:50:18,081
of the american education system how did that come to be because here we have a young country

652
00:50:18,081 --> 00:50:23,041
that's being built up from disparate people from all over the world

653
00:50:23,041 --> 00:50:29,481
that are being attracted to this new land where there's a promise of freedom

654
00:50:29,481 --> 00:50:33,421
and you're not going to be oppressed for your beliefs

655
00:50:33,421 --> 00:50:35,721
and you can carve out a living for yourself.

656
00:50:36,341 --> 00:50:39,001
Well, that's no good if you're a monopolist.

657
00:50:39,001 --> 00:50:42,141
You can't have all of these melting pots of different ideas.

658
00:50:42,741 --> 00:50:45,761
And God forbid should we have melting pots of entrepreneurism

659
00:50:45,761 --> 00:50:47,921
because that needs to be squashed.

660
00:50:48,081 --> 00:50:50,981
We can't have free market open competition.

661
00:50:51,341 --> 00:50:54,761
This is not what a monopolist and a control freak would want.

662
00:50:56,461 --> 00:50:59,841
Then you look into how was the General Education Board set up,

663
00:51:00,681 --> 00:51:02,001
and when was it set up?

664
00:51:02,081 --> 00:51:05,461
Well, it was set up in 1902 by a secret meeting.

665
00:51:06,181 --> 00:51:07,061
Does that sound familiar?

666
00:51:07,321 --> 00:51:10,281
Well, I think most people have read the secrets of the Federal Reserve

667
00:51:10,281 --> 00:51:11,941
or a creature from the Jekyll Island.

668
00:51:12,441 --> 00:51:14,761
There was a secret meeting between six or seven people

669
00:51:14,761 --> 00:51:17,801
where they got together and they hashed out the idea

670
00:51:17,801 --> 00:51:21,081
of a centralized and centrally planned,

671
00:51:21,241 --> 00:51:23,201
for the good of the people and the good of the nation,

672
00:51:24,741 --> 00:51:27,361
you know, education is good, all of these fluffy words,

673
00:51:27,521 --> 00:51:28,761
you know, no child left behind,

674
00:51:29,181 --> 00:51:31,041
all of these, they've always got a tagline,

675
00:51:31,701 --> 00:51:36,261
to create this system where everybody gets the same opportunity.

676
00:51:37,221 --> 00:51:39,921
And that was named the General Education Board,

677
00:51:39,921 --> 00:51:44,341
and that was funded by a personal donation of $1 million

678
00:51:44,341 --> 00:51:45,741
by John D. Rockefeller.

679
00:51:45,741 --> 00:51:54,341
and then you fast forward to 1913 so that was 1902 and like i said same cast of characters right so

680
00:51:54,341 --> 00:51:58,801
he'd already monopolized the energy now he's setting out to monopolize the education system

681
00:51:58,801 --> 00:52:04,401
where you're going to um you know it's a social engineering project basically because you get to

682
00:52:04,401 --> 00:52:09,161
you get to choose what people get to learn and you get to choose what certificates people get

683
00:52:09,161 --> 00:52:14,441
and you get to choose uh therefore what those certificates are going to carry uh them into

684
00:52:14,441 --> 00:52:18,201
other careers and further down the line in their lives.

685
00:52:19,081 --> 00:52:26,561
Fast forward to 1913, where he had Frederick T. Gates, who was a reverend originally, running

686
00:52:26,561 --> 00:52:30,901
his philanthropic, in very loose air quotes, endeavors.

687
00:52:31,581 --> 00:52:34,861
He wrote a paper for the General Education Board.

688
00:52:36,381 --> 00:52:42,681
By the way, Daniel, before you continue, the date of 1913, no coincidence.

689
00:52:42,961 --> 00:52:43,161
Right.

690
00:52:43,581 --> 00:52:43,841
Right?

691
00:52:44,441 --> 00:52:51,401
okay the same year as the federal reserve was was created absolutely no coincidence at all

692
00:52:51,401 --> 00:52:57,581
and no coincidence that the same playbook was played to set it up secret meeting 1910 and uh

693
00:52:57,581 --> 00:53:02,841
you know 1913 people people think well rockefeller wasn't part of that meeting you know he had

694
00:53:02,841 --> 00:53:07,941
nothing to do with the formation of the federal reserve until you realize that his son john d

695
00:53:07,941 --> 00:53:14,001
rockefeller jr had been married off to nelson aldrich's daughter at the back end of the 1800s

696
00:53:14,001 --> 00:53:28,901
So he was very much involved with that meeting There a reason Nelson Rockefeller full name is Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller because he was named after his grandfather who chaired the meeting at Jekyll Island in 1910

697
00:53:29,241 --> 00:53:34,321
and managed to get the act through after three years of dog and pony showing around the US to

698
00:53:34,321 --> 00:53:41,701
get public opinion on board. And then, you know, the rest is history. So yes, no coincidence at all

699
00:53:41,701 --> 00:53:45,361
that this paper should drop in 1913, General Education Board,

700
00:53:45,961 --> 00:53:49,701
and it was called The Country School of Tomorrow.

701
00:53:50,901 --> 00:53:53,641
And this is, I'm going to read directly from this paper,

702
00:53:54,081 --> 00:53:59,921
and it's the philosophy of the people on the General Education Board,

703
00:53:59,921 --> 00:54:04,061
of the founders, and at this stage it was already 10 years old,

704
00:54:04,261 --> 00:54:05,401
so it's gathering steam.

705
00:54:06,141 --> 00:54:07,981
And this was the, I'll read it verbatim.

706
00:54:07,981 --> 00:54:19,501
In our dream, we have limitless resources and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our moulding hand.

707
00:54:20,281 --> 00:54:27,961
The present educational conventions fade from their minds and, unhampered by tradition,

708
00:54:28,801 --> 00:54:35,021
we work our own goodwill upon a grateful and responsive rural folk.

709
00:54:35,021 --> 00:54:44,321
We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers, or men of learning, or men of science.

710
00:54:44,901 --> 00:54:52,081
We have not to raise up from among them authors, editors, poets, or men of letters.

711
00:54:52,081 --> 00:55:04,061
We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians, nor lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, or statesmen.

712
00:55:04,061 --> 00:55:07,421
of whom we have an ample supply.

713
00:55:08,061 --> 00:55:12,461
The task we set before ourselves is very simple,

714
00:55:12,821 --> 00:55:15,041
as well as a very beautiful one,

715
00:55:15,481 --> 00:55:19,401
to train these people, as we find them,

716
00:55:19,781 --> 00:55:23,401
to a perfectly ideal life, just where they are.

717
00:55:24,001 --> 00:55:28,821
So we will organise our children into a little community

718
00:55:28,821 --> 00:55:32,101
and teach them to do in a perfect way

719
00:55:32,101 --> 00:55:39,941
the things their fathers and mothers are doing in an imperfect way in the homes in the shops

720
00:55:39,941 --> 00:55:47,941
and on the farm they fucking wrote that shit man amazing like that is in the white paper

721
00:55:47,941 --> 00:55:56,081
when when i present this to people like the cognitive dissonance that rings in people's

722
00:55:56,081 --> 00:56:02,381
minds is you can almost hear it it's like guys please just just take that in

723
00:56:02,381 --> 00:56:12,041
can i ask daniel again based on your research and your interpretation of the phrase ample supply

724
00:56:12,041 --> 00:56:16,841
we said we have an ample supply of these leaders and philosophers and what have you how do you

725
00:56:16,841 --> 00:56:23,781
think or what do you think he thought would continue that supply of these this amp that

726
00:56:23,781 --> 00:56:30,061
that ample supply of entrepreneurs and creatives over the next few generations well the the family

727
00:56:30,061 --> 00:56:35,781
lineage lineage that's it that's all they want that's all they have right that's pretty much

728
00:56:35,781 --> 00:56:41,941
what they've managed uh you know what what what he's saying is we have enough we you know that

729
00:56:41,941 --> 00:56:48,301
this is this is literally from the mind of let's not call them evil or psychopaths or whatever

730
00:56:48,301 --> 00:57:01,141
let's call them a control freak a monopolist a um a eugenicist uh that's what we're looking at

731
00:57:01,141 --> 00:57:08,221
uh and what like i said all the way back probably 15 25 minutes ago when we're talking about when

732
00:57:08,221 --> 00:57:14,301
you're caught looking out the window you know what that's your subconscious screaming at you

733
00:57:14,301 --> 00:57:23,121
And where could we be if we could have people out there philosophizing, writing, singing, dancing, preaching, politicizing?

734
00:57:24,201 --> 00:57:28,761
We would have a completely different world to what we have now.

735
00:57:29,581 --> 00:57:30,561
So different.

736
00:57:31,481 --> 00:57:33,361
We would have art we wouldn't recognize.

737
00:57:35,481 --> 00:57:37,741
Look at a foundation of art that we came from.

738
00:57:38,301 --> 00:57:39,541
You've visited Europe.

739
00:57:39,541 --> 00:57:47,321
I mean, Prague is a perfect example of the incredible architecture and the incredible artwork.

740
00:57:48,461 --> 00:57:49,661
Look what we have today.

741
00:57:50,961 --> 00:57:58,541
It's all been that spark has been completely snuffed out by very...

742
00:57:59,601 --> 00:58:08,901
Well, today we have really, and this is the culmination of, I still call it modernism, Daniel.

743
00:58:08,901 --> 00:58:11,321
I don't think we're in the post-modernist world yet.

744
00:58:11,581 --> 00:58:12,861
In fact, that's a whole different conversation.

745
00:58:13,321 --> 00:58:16,481
But I think Bitcoin is what ushers the post-modernist revolution.

746
00:58:16,981 --> 00:58:18,721
I think we're in late-stage modernism.

747
00:58:18,981 --> 00:58:33,041
And the dying gasp, the rigor mortis is climate protesters throwing cans of soup, defiling these absolutely priceless works from that era of beauty that predates all of this.

748
00:58:34,341 --> 00:58:36,401
That's what we have today, the destruction of beauty.

749
00:58:37,721 --> 00:58:38,681
It's crazy.

750
00:58:38,901 --> 00:58:51,541
And it is all downstream of the 15 to 20 years that you are – it is again.

751
00:58:51,621 --> 00:58:52,541
It's like a prison sentence.

752
00:58:52,641 --> 00:58:53,721
You're doing 15 to 20.

753
00:58:53,721 --> 00:59:00,321
You've got a 15 to 20 stretch from the age of five or in some cases even earlier, right?

754
00:59:00,321 --> 00:59:10,041
in America, I know, Avi, it's very common to have your kids enrolled in the right kindergarten to

755
00:59:10,041 --> 00:59:14,741
make sure they're on the right school career path. This is how.

756
00:59:15,321 --> 00:59:20,441
There is. Let me tell you another absurd thing, and this is true in New York, perhaps other big

757
00:59:20,441 --> 00:59:27,961
cities. We were in a position where we, and we were caught in the rat race when Ishan, who's 14

758
00:59:27,961 --> 00:59:33,121
now is about to turn 15 when he was around three or four where there was this whole idea of a gifted

759
00:59:33,121 --> 00:59:39,521
and talented program and it was all the rage everyone's kid at four or five daniel think about

760
00:59:39,521 --> 00:59:54,801
that for a second getting so not the regular preschool which honestly there no need for a kid to go to school of any kind till they six or seven and even then you know maybe something like a project uh Montessori or something along those lines would be more

761
00:59:54,801 --> 01:00:01,261
beneficial but at three or four there are people in New York City caught up in the rat race of

762
01:00:01,261 --> 01:00:06,301
sending their kids to these academies that train them for a gifted and talented exam

763
01:00:06,301 --> 01:00:07,621
Can you believe that?

764
01:00:08,921 --> 01:00:10,721
It's so saddening.

765
01:00:12,501 --> 01:00:17,381
It's when you really deeply think about it.

766
01:00:19,221 --> 01:00:22,601
And again, I point, who's another great guy?

767
01:00:23,301 --> 01:00:26,241
If anyone's interested in digging into this deeper,

768
01:00:27,301 --> 01:00:30,561
Seb Bunny, he's got a brilliant chapter in his book,

769
01:00:30,641 --> 01:00:31,941
The Hidden Cost of Money, about this.

770
01:00:33,021 --> 01:00:34,921
And it's definitely worth checking out.

771
01:00:36,301 --> 01:00:40,601
Dr. Gabor Marte, I think, is another excellent resource.

772
01:00:40,741 --> 01:00:42,241
There's a book called Hold On To Your Kids.

773
01:00:43,321 --> 01:00:47,221
And, you know, he talks about how it's all like trauma-based.

774
01:00:49,421 --> 01:01:01,901
Giving up your child at the age of three, four or five does not understand why you walk away from them at a very strange building

775
01:01:01,901 --> 01:01:05,601
and leave them with very strange people on a random Monday morning.

776
01:01:06,301 --> 01:01:10,521
and all of a sudden their life has changed forever

777
01:01:10,521 --> 01:01:16,841
you know yesterday they were playing with their dolls in their cars

778
01:01:16,841 --> 01:01:22,401
and the next day even though you've told little johnny or little katie whatever their names are

779
01:01:22,401 --> 01:01:26,821
that oh tomorrow you're going to school and you know you're going to be a big girl now and a big

780
01:01:26,821 --> 01:01:32,701
boy now they're just words they don't understand it's not hitting home and they get up the next

781
01:01:32,701 --> 01:01:35,841
morning they're putting the back of a car and they're wearing shit they've never worn before

782
01:01:35,841 --> 01:01:37,041
and they've got a bag

783
01:01:37,041 --> 01:01:39,441
and I don't know what that's for

784
01:01:39,441 --> 01:01:40,041
and they've got pens

785
01:01:40,041 --> 01:01:42,701
and then you walk them to this place

786
01:01:42,701 --> 01:01:44,921
that's surrounded by a chain link fence

787
01:01:44,921 --> 01:01:46,461
and you're just like

788
01:01:46,461 --> 01:01:48,081
okay, have a nice day

789
01:01:48,081 --> 01:01:52,261
and parents wonder why the kids cry

790
01:01:52,261 --> 01:01:53,861
and then

791
01:01:53,861 --> 01:01:55,301
what's even worse

792
01:01:55,301 --> 01:01:56,861
I'll be back to the teachers

793
01:01:56,861 --> 01:01:58,841
the teachers who are there

794
01:01:58,841 --> 01:02:01,301
to mentor these children

795
01:02:01,301 --> 01:02:02,041
and look after them

796
01:02:02,041 --> 01:02:03,001
and make sure they're safe

797
01:02:03,001 --> 01:02:05,581
they're trained to take the kid by the hand

798
01:02:05,581 --> 01:02:07,121
and walk them away from the parent.

799
01:02:08,301 --> 01:02:10,241
Walk them away from the safe harbor

800
01:02:10,241 --> 01:02:15,241
into a classroom with 29 other strangers.

801
01:02:17,941 --> 01:02:18,761
It's mad.

802
01:02:19,641 --> 01:02:19,741
Yeah.

803
01:02:22,741 --> 01:02:26,321
I guess Bitcoin, so we'll end this one,

804
01:02:26,721 --> 01:02:30,161
this rabbit hole on a positive note to the extent we can, Daniel.

805
01:02:30,941 --> 01:02:32,421
We should do, actually.

806
01:02:32,421 --> 01:02:34,821
And, you know, there are answers.

807
01:02:34,821 --> 01:02:37,721
There's homeschooling, there's unschooling, there's world schooling.

808
01:02:38,141 --> 01:02:43,301
And people will say, well, that's fine for you to say because I've got to work and I've got to.

809
01:02:43,681 --> 01:02:45,661
Yeah, you probably do.

810
01:02:45,801 --> 01:02:48,861
But you've also got a little baby.

811
01:02:49,321 --> 01:02:52,341
You've got a little boy or girl, four or five years of age.

812
01:02:52,461 --> 01:02:55,061
And you do not want to be passing that trauma down.

813
01:02:55,161 --> 01:02:57,521
If you can break the cycle, that's on you.

814
01:02:57,981 --> 01:03:01,121
And if that means changing your life, then you're going to have to change it.

815
01:03:01,121 --> 01:03:02,941
You're going to have to step up, especially Bitcoiners.

816
01:03:03,061 --> 01:03:04,261
You've got to be more sovereign.

817
01:03:04,261 --> 01:03:08,981
separate education from state if you've separated money from state there are ways to do it there are

818
01:03:08,981 --> 01:03:15,261
communities out there you can connect with these people like what rob and um sylvia are doing in uh

819
01:03:15,261 --> 01:03:23,221
in madeira a place to be uh you know as a bitcoiner you can relocate and there are initiatives they've

820
01:03:23,221 --> 01:03:28,341
got a place to be over there which is an unschooling community where uh families are bringing

821
01:03:28,341 --> 01:03:33,501
kids together and it's all project-based learning like you said avi but what they're interested in

822
01:03:33,501 --> 01:03:40,821
that's the project and as parents or as teachers as mentors as the real words you know the definition

823
01:03:40,821 --> 01:03:47,561
of the word mentor to to help basically teach that um to put the tools that they need in their way

824
01:03:47,561 --> 01:03:52,761
that's all we need to do and then get out of the way again so if a child is shown interest in a

825
01:03:52,761 --> 01:03:55,721
specific thing and that could be playing a guitar that could be drawing pictures

826
01:03:55,721 --> 01:04:03,101
buy a nice drawing pad and some half decent pencils and just leave them on their bed

827
01:04:03,101 --> 01:04:04,941
buy a second hand guitar

828
01:04:04,941 --> 01:04:06,461
and just leave it on their bed

829
01:04:06,461 --> 01:04:08,561
this is

830
01:04:08,561 --> 01:04:10,421
this is just

831
01:04:10,421 --> 01:04:13,001
putting the tools in their hands

832
01:04:13,001 --> 01:04:14,361
and don't be disappointed

833
01:04:14,361 --> 01:04:16,781
if they change tack in two weeks time

834
01:04:16,781 --> 01:04:19,101
that is the art

835
01:04:19,101 --> 01:04:19,621
of learning

836
01:04:19,621 --> 01:04:21,641
you have to

837
01:04:21,641 --> 01:04:25,061
we've got to think about it completely

838
01:04:25,061 --> 01:04:27,241
differently but there is support

839
01:04:27,241 --> 01:04:28,921
there are ways to do this

840
01:04:28,921 --> 01:04:31,001
and going forward the next

841
01:04:31,001 --> 01:04:32,941
10 to 15 years lots of Bitcoin

842
01:04:32,941 --> 01:04:37,701
that we know of, you're having babies, they're building families. And it's just amazing to see

843
01:04:37,701 --> 01:04:45,141
that we're seeing so many of them lean towards a natural birth, a home birth, rather than going

844
01:04:45,141 --> 01:04:53,441
through the medical system birth, which is a very traumatic, you know, entry into this realm. And we

845
01:04:53,441 --> 01:04:59,421
have an uptick in homeschooling, unschooling and homesteading and things like this, which is

846
01:04:59,421 --> 01:05:00,721
way more wholesome.

847
01:05:01,541 --> 01:05:03,541
So there is a bright orange

848
01:05:03,541 --> 01:05:04,421
future ahead of us.

849
01:05:05,241 --> 01:05:06,181
But we do need to

850
01:05:06,181 --> 01:05:09,561
lift the veil on these things to help people

851
01:05:09,561 --> 01:05:09,881
see.

852
01:05:12,161 --> 01:05:13,481
I think with

853
01:05:13,481 --> 01:05:15,101
Bitcoiners, especially, I

854
01:05:15,101 --> 01:05:17,501
suspect they will make up the bulk

855
01:05:17,501 --> 01:05:18,501
of the first wave.

856
01:05:19,321 --> 01:05:21,661
But for any Bitcoiners on the fence,

857
01:05:21,761 --> 01:05:23,181
I think the message

858
01:05:23,181 --> 01:05:25,561
I'm getting from everything

859
01:05:25,561 --> 01:05:26,921
you've talked about, Daniel, is

860
01:05:26,921 --> 01:05:30,421
we are living in a cage of our own making.

861
01:05:30,801 --> 01:05:31,861
We have the key.

862
01:05:32,601 --> 01:05:33,461
You can exit.

863
01:05:33,801 --> 01:05:34,741
There is an exit.

864
01:05:35,041 --> 01:05:37,281
And there are already examples of these exits.

865
01:05:37,441 --> 01:05:40,001
I mean, you embodied that example with your family

866
01:05:40,001 --> 01:05:42,161
even before you became a Bitcoin, Daniel.

867
01:05:42,161 --> 01:05:45,641
But now you have folks like Rob and Sylvia

868
01:05:45,641 --> 01:05:48,681
in Madeira with a place to be

869
01:05:48,681 --> 01:05:50,681
and others popping up, right?

870
01:05:51,161 --> 01:05:52,321
Unschooling, homesteading.

871
01:05:52,341 --> 01:05:53,121
Walker and Carla.

872
01:05:53,381 --> 01:05:54,021
All of that stuff.

873
01:05:54,101 --> 01:05:55,281
They're another perfect example.

874
01:05:55,281 --> 01:05:58,021
that the young boy is going to be homeschooled

875
01:05:58,021 --> 01:06:00,521
and he's very vocal about it on his podcast.

876
01:06:01,161 --> 01:06:02,621
Walker was homeschooled himself.

877
01:06:04,321 --> 01:06:07,641
So it's, yeah, there's some great,

878
01:06:08,601 --> 01:06:11,281
there's positives for sure.

879
01:06:11,501 --> 01:06:12,821
And I want people to understand that.

880
01:06:14,821 --> 01:06:26,241
All right Daniel So that was a hopeful note to end the first rabbit hole which i think went a little longer than i had planned and i suspect we could have probably spent another hour at least

881
01:06:26,241 --> 01:06:33,101
continuing that specific conversation but let's move on to the second rabbit hole that you've

882
01:06:33,101 --> 01:06:40,641
spent a lot of time studying and that's geoengineering now was this something that

883
01:06:40,641 --> 01:06:52,341
began when you just looked up? I can't believe how willfully blind I had been, to be honest,

884
01:06:52,721 --> 01:06:58,161
because I'd seen the lions in the sky. And like everybody else, I just, you know,

885
01:06:58,161 --> 01:07:05,361
parked them to the back of my mind. Yeah, whatever. It's just water crystal and water

886
01:07:05,361 --> 01:07:10,461
vapor and ice crystals, bro. Nothing to worry about. You know, more more air traffic in the

887
01:07:10,461 --> 01:07:18,241
in the skies these days and you know that kind of thing no it was it was i was i was pulled down

888
01:07:18,241 --> 01:07:25,501
this rabbit hole kicking and screaming mate i didn't want any part of this uh it's it's so bad

889
01:07:25,501 --> 01:07:32,041
when when you realize what's been going on for for so long no it was a friend of mine another

890
01:07:32,041 --> 01:07:39,781
bitcoiner um in portugal and we were in porto and we met up with him and we went on a walk and he

891
01:07:39,781 --> 01:07:44,741
kept pointing this stuff out and I just went home and I kind of parked it and we met him again about

892
01:07:44,741 --> 01:07:53,161
a year later and he'd keep he'd keep messaging me certain things and I obviously kept looking up and

893
01:07:53,161 --> 01:08:00,141
then two other guys Bitcoiners that that I know who I know also like going down these rabbit holes

894
01:08:00,141 --> 01:08:05,641
and you know I bought this one up with them and they're like yeah there's something there I can't

895
01:08:05,641 --> 01:08:10,161
tell you exactly what it is but so we all started digging in a little deeper as well at the same

896
01:08:10,161 --> 01:08:15,721
time and so you find a little bit of camaraderie and then you start reading the books and watching

897
01:08:15,721 --> 01:08:21,601
the documentaries and reading the articles and uh the the science papers that have been hidden

898
01:08:21,601 --> 01:08:29,201
behind paywalls somehow and uh and using your own eyes and then it all starts unraveling in front of

899
01:08:29,201 --> 01:08:39,901
that uh yeah this this thing is going on and and has been for for a long time and it's so

900
01:08:39,901 --> 01:08:47,601
like the cognitive dissonance on this one for me was it just rang so loud in my ears

901
01:08:47,601 --> 01:08:56,841
like you know no this can't be true this this one has to be like uh completely like nobody could

902
01:08:56,841 --> 01:09:06,781
ever surely believe that they could you know control the weather and uh and blame it on you

903
01:09:06,781 --> 01:09:11,201
know blame climate change that was another thing right that the whole climate change thing that

904
01:09:11,201 --> 01:09:19,321
was unraveling at the same time uh that this was kind of presenting itself uh no i yeah i give

905
01:09:19,321 --> 01:09:28,521
credit to two or three close friends for pulling me into this one. It wasn't me just looking up.

906
01:09:30,761 --> 01:09:37,701
So let's set the stage on this, Daniel. What exactly is geoengineering? And we're talking,

907
01:09:37,841 --> 01:09:45,161
it starts off by looking at the lines in the sky that the aeroplanes leave, which we're told are

908
01:09:45,161 --> 01:09:48,061
water vapor, right,

909
01:09:48,841 --> 01:09:51,621
or condensation or whatever it is from the planes.

910
01:09:51,761 --> 01:09:55,641
But however, you see these lines sort of persist

911
01:09:55,641 --> 01:09:57,901
and there's a whole lattice of these lines

912
01:09:57,901 --> 01:10:01,561
and soon it just becomes like this gray covering of the sky

913
01:10:01,561 --> 01:10:02,841
and then the sun disappears.

914
01:10:03,741 --> 01:10:05,201
But set the stage, though.

915
01:10:05,261 --> 01:10:06,601
What exactly is it?

916
01:10:08,141 --> 01:10:13,841
Well, geoengineering is basically just a way

917
01:10:13,841 --> 01:10:21,781
or there are several ways that people have tried to influence the weather

918
01:10:21,781 --> 01:10:27,121
over the last, from what I can tell, has been going back.

919
01:10:27,361 --> 01:10:34,441
Certainly the 40s and the 50s before that as well.

920
01:10:34,681 --> 01:10:35,361
There's evidence.

921
01:10:35,361 --> 01:10:39,001
I'm reading a book at the moment by Peter A. Kirby.

922
01:10:39,801 --> 01:10:41,721
It's his second edition of this book.

923
01:10:41,721 --> 01:10:49,041
And it's a clickbait title, Chemtrails Exposed, a new Manhattan project.

924
01:11:11,721 --> 01:11:19,041
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926
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927
01:11:35,441 --> 01:11:37,781
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928
01:11:37,781 --> 01:11:39,561
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929
01:11:39,561 --> 01:11:41,021
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01:11:41,021 --> 01:11:44,101
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931
01:11:44,101 --> 01:11:45,361
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932
01:11:45,361 --> 01:11:47,021
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933
01:11:47,021 --> 01:11:49,841
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934
01:11:49,841 --> 01:11:51,541
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935
01:11:51,541 --> 01:11:53,061
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936
01:11:53,061 --> 01:11:55,401
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937
01:11:55,401 --> 01:11:57,001
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938
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01:12:38,581 --> 01:12:44,261
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