1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,980 The noise of the week is behind us. 2 00:00:14,740 --> 00:00:16,260 The feed is off. 3 00:00:17,060 --> 00:00:18,840 The record is spinning. 4 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,360 It's time to stop interviewing and start listening. 5 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,720 Welcome to Sunday Brunch. 6 00:00:46,300 --> 00:00:54,600 Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening, you curious, cultured connoisseurs of captivating content. 7 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,540 Welcome to the third serving of Sunday Brunch. 8 00:00:58,540 --> 00:01:02,260 And today is, you guessed it, Sunday. 9 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:09,760 It is the 25th of January and very much brunch time on the east coast of the United States, 10 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:16,400 which can only mean one thing, your favorite music on the lightning-laced airwaves. 11 00:01:17,460 --> 00:01:18,680 Now settle in. 12 00:01:19,420 --> 00:01:21,160 This is not your regular podcast. 13 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,200 I don't have any questions prepared. 14 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:31,300 I don't have a sermon, and I won't be asking our guest about the imminent collapse of the Fiat Empire. 15 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,240 There's just a table, some coffee, and a record player. 16 00:01:36,820 --> 00:01:38,720 The guest is the DJ here. 17 00:01:39,820 --> 00:01:47,680 And because there is no corporate sponsor in the booth, you are the ones keeping the coffee pot full. 18 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,440 This is a Valley for Valley production. 19 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,740 I don't run ads. 20 00:01:52,740 --> 00:01:56,220 This show runs on vibe 21 00:01:56,220 --> 00:01:59,020 If you enjoy the selection today 22 00:01:59,020 --> 00:02:02,180 You can throw some sats in the digital tip jar 23 00:02:02,180 --> 00:02:06,040 By boosting on fountain or zapping on Noster 24 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,480 Here's the house rule 25 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,580 When the needle drops 26 00:02:10,580 --> 00:02:12,780 The sats follow 27 00:02:12,780 --> 00:02:17,580 90% of everything you stream during a song 28 00:02:17,580 --> 00:02:19,420 Goes directly to the artist 29 00:02:19,420 --> 00:02:21,840 You are tipping the band 30 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:29,060 When the music fades and we're just chatting, you're buying around for me and the guest. 31 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:39,020 And folks, episode three of my travel show, Finding Home, that's the newest Paraguay episode, is now available to watch. 32 00:02:39,500 --> 00:02:44,700 If you want to see what sovereignty with fingerprints on it actually looks like, 33 00:02:44,700 --> 00:02:52,700 Go watch that episode on IndieHub and use code PIONEER21 for the listener discount. 34 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:57,660 That's P-I-O-N-E-E-R and the number is 2-1. 35 00:02:58,420 --> 00:03:00,480 Now, on with the show. 36 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:08,000 My guest today is a man who many say is the face of the Valley for Value movement. 37 00:03:08,780 --> 00:03:11,840 Open Mike is here and he's brought his own playlist with him. 38 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:19,480 We're going to spin some tracks, we're going to talk about whatever topics emerged in the silences between the music 39 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:26,380 and give everyone listening a chance to enter this decompression chamber after a long week. 40 00:03:27,260 --> 00:03:32,940 So, send back that order of eggs benedict if the yolk isn't runny enough. 41 00:03:33,780 --> 00:03:40,120 And joining me from the warm, sunny and mostly peaceful streets of Minneapolis is Open Mike. 42 00:03:40,780 --> 00:03:42,700 Welcome to Sunday Brunch, good sir. 43 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:48,740 Hey, thanks Avi. Great to be here. Great way to start off the Sunday here. 44 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,160 How you been, man? How are things holding up where you are? 45 00:03:54,100 --> 00:04:02,300 Yeah, you know, you watch the default response to that question around here, 46 00:04:02,300 --> 00:04:05,520 because it's always, oh, it's good, and it isn't. 47 00:04:06,020 --> 00:04:08,380 But we're doing all right. 48 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:16,940 I'm trying to navigate this tense situation, 49 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:23,180 and the city and the people are really banding together 50 00:04:23,180 --> 00:04:27,520 and trying to figure out what to do in the next right step, right? 51 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,280 Are you safe, though? 52 00:04:31,340 --> 00:04:34,560 Because, I mean, it is looking a little gnarly out there 53 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,560 from some of the photos that are making there 54 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,020 and videos that are making their way on social media. 55 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:53,320 Yeah, I mean, I'm not a drama addict, but Bovino is three doors down from my house two days ago. 56 00:04:55,160 --> 00:05:02,660 That big 50,000 person march ended at our business's front door across the street. 57 00:05:02,660 --> 00:05:10,540 So we had a lot of, you know, it's been directly affected. 58 00:05:10,660 --> 00:05:21,120 We haven't done a show since Thursday because of cancellations between safety concerns or bands not wanting to play or all of the above. 59 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,640 So it's very real. 60 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:32,340 Um, it's, it's not a, it's not a comfortable situation, but, um, the people are, are being 61 00:05:32,340 --> 00:05:32,880 peaceful. 62 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:38,280 Uh, it's, it's interesting to hear what's reported in the news versus what we see on the ground 63 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:46,640 because it's, it's tense, but, um, I'm pretty amazed that there hasn't been any significant 64 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,000 violence, um, from the people. 65 00:05:51,460 --> 00:05:52,880 It's, it's scary though. 66 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:57,500 It's not going away. 67 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:09,780 We're going to have to figure out some compromise and some way to adjust to what's going on here and figure out how to live our lives without all this going on. 68 00:06:10,860 --> 00:06:17,160 You know, and you're, in some sense, you run these public venues, music venues. 69 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:23,160 how does that work on the evenings 70 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,800 do people actually show up to listen to live music 71 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:33,920 I only know what I see in the news 72 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,060 I'm not there on the ground 73 00:06:35,060 --> 00:06:36,640 that looks scary 74 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,220 I can only imagine if that is the case 75 00:06:39,220 --> 00:06:41,640 what it must be like when there's a public venue 76 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:42,920 and you have whatever it is 77 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,780 a few hundred people listening to music in a concert 78 00:06:46,780 --> 00:06:48,800 and you never know what could happen, right? 79 00:06:49,900 --> 00:06:54,920 Yeah, there is no right answer here 80 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,420 on how to run a public space in a time like this. 81 00:06:59,420 --> 00:07:06,440 You can get criticized or put yourself at risk 82 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,060 no matter what decision you make. 83 00:07:09,580 --> 00:07:12,380 At the end of the day, the artists are the customer. 84 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,640 So, for example, we had a touring band in town last night. 85 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:24,720 We've played, God, probably 50, I don't know, 30, 50 shows with them over the years. 86 00:07:24,980 --> 00:07:27,780 And it's a big jam band, kind of a party. 87 00:07:28,580 --> 00:07:30,280 Well, the band is Umphreys McGee. 88 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:31,480 A lot of people probably know him. 89 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:37,740 But, and, you know, they're in town. 90 00:07:37,940 --> 00:07:39,160 You know, they're not from here. 91 00:07:39,220 --> 00:07:40,140 They're traveling around. 92 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:41,060 They made plans. 93 00:07:41,220 --> 00:07:44,360 We made, we signed a contract with them to do the show. 94 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,460 And then this thing happens in your city. 95 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,680 And you're left with the situation of what do you do, right? 96 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,160 Is it safe for the band? Is it safe for the public? 97 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,200 Does the band want to play? 98 00:07:58,020 --> 00:08:04,600 And so yesterday the decision was made that the NBA across the street from us, 99 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,260 which is where the protest was the day before. 100 00:08:09,140 --> 00:08:13,360 So we're kind of, we're really are at ground zero of a lot of this stuff. 101 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:18,800 in the NBA, the Timberwolves made the decision to 102 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:23,360 postpone the game yesterday and so most of the public 103 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,300 facing businesses and gathering spaces made the same 104 00:08:27,300 --> 00:08:31,220 decision and so we just have to work it out with the band 105 00:08:31,220 --> 00:08:33,480 and then we reschedule and 106 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:39,660 look forward to better days but the tragedy of the situation 107 00:08:39,660 --> 00:08:42,040 is far, far, far more important than 108 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:50,440 a concert but it is you know some people music is medicine and that's how they grieve and that's 109 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:55,960 how they be in community and that that's a service to provide to open up your doors if you can do it 110 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:03,700 safely and let people get in there and and uh be together and that really that's what we've seen 111 00:09:03,700 --> 00:09:11,840 since the beginning of January, we have had some pressures to do things, 112 00:09:12,260 --> 00:09:19,160 whether it be in protest or in the spirit of safety or just solidarity. 113 00:09:20,260 --> 00:09:22,780 Friday, for example, was an economic blackout, 114 00:09:22,860 --> 00:09:28,780 and what that movement was is the schools shut down, 115 00:09:28,780 --> 00:09:30,960 so there's no school in Minneapolis. 116 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,240 most people closed their offices 117 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,960 that was a business by business decision 118 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:37,600 and then 119 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:43,300 the third one was like no shopping or something like that 120 00:09:43,300 --> 00:09:45,380 and so it was a true 121 00:09:45,380 --> 00:09:50,000 just an act of protest 122 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,000 and that's been something that 123 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,980 more and more businesses have been called upon 124 00:09:55,980 --> 00:10:00,380 to do in these times 125 00:10:00,380 --> 00:10:16,400 And so the interesting part of our experience is that we, you know, in the music industry, it always seemed kind of strange to me being, you know, I buy a ticket to a show, I'm going to it, right? 126 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:23,120 I'm pretty, but we typically have a 10 to 15% no-show rate, and that's called the drop count. 127 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:28,560 So our drop counts are usually 10 to 15% below the number of paid tickets. 128 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:35,720 and during this time when you'd think that maybe the drop counts would be falling they've actually 129 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:43,140 done the opposite so more people who buy tickets are going out to you know we don't interview them 130 00:10:43,140 --> 00:10:47,020 on the way in so i'm not sure if it's because they need to escape and they want to just do 131 00:10:47,020 --> 00:10:52,040 something to not watch the news or they just want to be with their friends and whatever but 132 00:10:52,040 --> 00:11:06,520 But in January, we've seen that despite being 20 degrees below zero the last couple of days and generally freezing this time of year, the drop counts have been high. 133 00:11:06,940 --> 00:11:11,500 So people want to be out and going to shows and being with one another. 134 00:11:12,260 --> 00:11:16,400 Isn't that interesting, Mike, that, you know, as you said, music is medicine. 135 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,120 but I think more broadly just art, culture, music included, obviously, 136 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,600 can be just a gentle form of escape for people. 137 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,380 And, you know, you can look at that and say, 138 00:11:27,460 --> 00:11:29,980 well, that's just escapism, you don't want to deal with reality. 139 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,540 But if that experience, whether it's, you know, 140 00:11:33,700 --> 00:11:36,380 walking through a gallery and looking at some beautiful art 141 00:11:36,380 --> 00:11:42,180 or going to a live show or watching a really nice movie or whatever it is, 142 00:11:42,180 --> 00:11:47,220 if that does put you in a better frame of mind for that short period, 143 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:52,460 then being in that constant state of stress, I guess, 144 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:56,200 especially in a difficult situation that's unfolding in Minneapolis, 145 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:57,900 then what's wrong with that? 146 00:11:57,900 --> 00:12:06,420 Maybe that translates into curbing potential violent impulses 147 00:12:06,420 --> 00:12:09,780 after you had that brief escape, that brief breather from it. 148 00:12:09,940 --> 00:12:11,520 I think it does serve a purpose. 149 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:32,620 Yeah, I 100% co-sign that. And additionally, for a lot of people, it's not escape. It's engagement. It's dialogue. Because you can say things in artistic expression that isn't as divisive as saying something from a podium. 150 00:12:32,620 --> 00:12:36,440 and it causes people to think and understand and communicate with one another. 151 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:43,260 And yeah, I think there's things in this world. 152 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:48,260 I think of Bitcoin as one of these too. 153 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,760 I've said it on various shows before, 154 00:12:51,860 --> 00:12:59,940 but I look at things that kind of split through the divisive Team Red versus Team Blue 155 00:12:59,940 --> 00:13:05,720 and kind of pierces that veil of bringing people together. 156 00:13:06,820 --> 00:13:12,000 And Bitcoin is one of those for sure for me and for a lot of people. 157 00:13:12,700 --> 00:13:17,120 Personally, I'm in recovery, so sobriety in that community is a huge one 158 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:21,900 where it's actually an explicit rule if you're in those rooms. 159 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:26,300 You do not talk about outside issues and you do not talk about anything divisive 160 00:13:26,300 --> 00:13:31,000 because you've formed a common bond with everybody and nothing else matters. 161 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,200 And music is another one. 162 00:13:34,980 --> 00:13:42,760 You can see some people that you would never expect listening to rage against the machine. 163 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,320 And you're like, do you know the lyrics here, guy? 164 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,020 You know? 165 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:59,056 But it kind of just cancels out and the beauty of the art forces people to deal with the differences and forces people to sing along to the same song 166 00:13:59,216 --> 00:14:00,096 It's pretty cool. 167 00:14:00,936 --> 00:14:02,956 So, Mike, hold that thought. 168 00:14:02,956 --> 00:14:18,016 I want to get back to the topic of artistic expression in music and film and saying things that you otherwise wouldn't say or would sound a lot different if you were just saying them in a conversation. 169 00:14:18,316 --> 00:14:20,336 So we'll get back to that. 170 00:14:20,996 --> 00:14:28,916 But why don't we start with your first song and looking at the Fountain playlists that we're sharing here. 171 00:14:29,536 --> 00:14:33,896 It is Little Mercy by a band called Doomtree. 172 00:14:33,996 --> 00:14:35,156 Do you want to talk a little bit about that? 173 00:14:35,816 --> 00:14:44,776 Yeah, so this was personally very, very exciting to see this on Fountain, on Wave Lake. 174 00:14:45,256 --> 00:14:47,636 And it's a funny story. 175 00:14:47,636 --> 00:14:54,436 And it weaves into all different parts of my life, so it's very special. 176 00:14:55,476 --> 00:14:59,916 But Doomtree is a Minneapolis supergroup. 177 00:15:00,716 --> 00:15:01,656 They're friends. 178 00:15:02,076 --> 00:15:04,456 They all have individual careers. 179 00:15:04,456 --> 00:15:17,516 It comprises of P.O.S., Dessa, Mike McClan, Sims, and Laserbeak, who you've seen on Noster. 180 00:15:17,716 --> 00:15:27,876 He's the one who's joined Noster as an individual, and he's posted some albums on to the Valueverse. 181 00:15:28,356 --> 00:15:33,436 And Doomtree is the supergroup that comes together, and they put out albums. 182 00:15:33,436 --> 00:15:44,716 This album is actually from 2014, which the album is called No Kings, which actually feels pretty timely in Minneapolis right now for a lot of the protests you see. 183 00:15:45,016 --> 00:15:47,376 They've had quite a resurgence in their merch, I know. 184 00:15:48,236 --> 00:15:59,716 But the Laserbeak, he's the CEO and a founding member of Doomtree and Doomtree Records. 185 00:15:59,716 --> 00:16:02,696 So he owns all of the IP. 186 00:16:02,996 --> 00:16:11,276 And so that's why we can put up their music into the Valueverse without any issues of rights and all of that. 187 00:16:11,716 --> 00:16:18,856 And he's really a pretty powerful voice here in the Minnesota, Minneapolis music community. 188 00:16:18,856 --> 00:16:25,216 if Doomtree was going to play a show here in Minneapolis next weekend, 189 00:16:25,336 --> 00:16:30,816 I bet we could sell 10,000 tickets over a weekend 190 00:16:30,816 --> 00:16:35,016 if we just said, get the band together, see what happens. 191 00:16:37,296 --> 00:16:43,396 He was actually Lizzo's first producer, which is also a fun little fact. 192 00:16:43,516 --> 00:16:47,016 So he produced Lizzo's first album about 12 years ago. 193 00:16:47,016 --> 00:16:55,436 and um yeah just an awesome dude so he he's dating he's dating a friend of mine and it 194 00:16:55,436 --> 00:17:03,576 um i didn't you know i didn't pitch him on any of this stuff so it's it's a very cool story of 195 00:17:03,576 --> 00:17:09,036 you know i think the nostor value for value bitcoin community like we're just 196 00:17:09,036 --> 00:17:14,076 we get really excited we go out and push this stuff to people and say you got to try this 197 00:17:14,076 --> 00:17:20,056 and like this one was the opposite he came to me he he heard about what what i was doing and what i 198 00:17:20,056 --> 00:17:29,136 was interested in and tunster and it came up through a dinner with his girlfriend and actually 199 00:17:29,136 --> 00:17:36,036 my sister and then he asked about it and so we went out and started unpacking it a bit and then 200 00:17:36,036 --> 00:17:43,116 he did a he did a sold out show um at the seventh street entry at first avenue last may and did it 201 00:17:43,116 --> 00:17:48,876 on Tunester and it was pretty cool. This is one of my favorite songs that Doomtree did. 202 00:17:50,636 --> 00:17:58,136 This is from 2014. The main vocalists in this are... Oh, I left off a couple of band members. 203 00:17:58,256 --> 00:18:05,996 Cecil Otter and Paper Tiger are also in Doomtree. Cecil Otter and Dessa are the primary vocalists 204 00:18:05,996 --> 00:18:07,996 on this song. 205 00:18:08,816 --> 00:18:11,436 And Dessa is probably the individual 206 00:18:11,436 --> 00:18:15,236 with the most prominent solo career. 207 00:18:15,396 --> 00:18:16,896 She was on the Hamilton mixtape 208 00:18:16,896 --> 00:18:20,876 and got well over a million streams on that song. 209 00:18:21,376 --> 00:18:24,836 So it's a good track and it's even better live. 210 00:18:24,956 --> 00:18:25,796 So I'm rooting for that. 211 00:18:25,916 --> 00:18:27,696 I'm rooting for those reunion concerts. 212 00:18:31,276 --> 00:18:31,876 Awesome. 213 00:18:31,876 --> 00:18:36,236 This is Little Mercy by Doomtree. 214 00:19:01,876 --> 00:19:04,456 Bottom of the fifth and that shit is still burning. 215 00:19:31,876 --> 00:19:34,636 I'm building every wall and stairs sturdy. 216 00:19:34,636 --> 00:19:37,976 And when our work is done, then we'll call our shares worthy. 217 00:19:37,976 --> 00:19:41,276 In the land of milk and honey, too shy to say we're thirsty. 218 00:19:41,276 --> 00:19:45,116 We just make a little money and we buy a little merch. 219 00:19:45,116 --> 00:19:49,636 Oh, my Lord. 220 00:19:49,636 --> 00:19:56,236 Oh, my Lord. 221 00:19:56,236 --> 00:20:02,516 The car was turned back 222 00:20:02,516 --> 00:20:06,236 The car was turned back 223 00:20:06,236 --> 00:20:09,236 The car was turned back 224 00:20:09,236 --> 00:20:13,776 Now the candle's in the window when it's open 225 00:20:13,776 --> 00:20:17,076 We watch the frames duke it out with every gust 226 00:20:17,076 --> 00:20:19,596 And we're hoping no one must just burn 227 00:20:19,596 --> 00:20:22,896 To the bottom of the wick is the bottom of the fifth 228 00:20:22,896 --> 00:20:24,556 And that shit is still burning 229 00:20:24,556 --> 00:20:27,996 If you welcome every trespass and every tramp's a gift 230 00:20:27,996 --> 00:20:31,276 Give what they will take from you and every theft's a gift 231 00:20:31,276 --> 00:20:34,616 Hold so tightly to what's in your hands or in your chest 232 00:20:34,616 --> 00:20:38,136 In the future it won't open, our readers can't work this 233 00:20:38,136 --> 00:20:42,096 Broken bones are stronger for the breaking of the dangers in the bending 234 00:20:42,096 --> 00:20:44,676 Concessions that you never can take back 235 00:20:44,676 --> 00:20:47,996 Curl you around the cane, you're still intact but not quite lame 236 00:20:47,996 --> 00:20:51,276 Better to grit your teeth, ready to cast and let it stop 237 00:20:51,276 --> 00:20:55,016 We're always first to come running when we hit the ground 238 00:20:55,016 --> 00:20:56,476 We never do leave our leave 239 00:20:56,476 --> 00:20:58,556 Send sent to the lost and found 240 00:20:58,556 --> 00:21:00,516 We just make a little money 241 00:21:00,516 --> 00:21:01,676 And we 242 00:21:01,676 --> 00:21:03,756 We start that long walk into town 243 00:21:03,756 --> 00:21:05,456 Where we buy the mercy 244 00:21:05,456 --> 00:21:08,396 No more 245 00:21:08,396 --> 00:21:12,356 No more 246 00:21:12,356 --> 00:21:16,396 No more 247 00:21:16,396 --> 00:21:18,396 No more 248 00:21:18,396 --> 00:21:33,256 No more talk about the backfire. 249 00:21:33,256 --> 00:21:34,976 Since time we fire back. 250 00:21:35,196 --> 00:21:38,396 Light, imagine light the past up before it catches up. 251 00:21:38,976 --> 00:21:40,876 We'll raise a mask and cast off. 252 00:21:41,276 --> 00:21:44,916 Yeah, we'll break some legs, we'll mend them, and then we'll take the cast off. 253 00:21:45,296 --> 00:21:46,316 We've had our losses. 254 00:21:46,916 --> 00:21:47,936 We've had our victories. 255 00:21:48,396 --> 00:21:51,236 We sat across from every victim of their misery. 256 00:21:51,516 --> 00:21:54,496 That pounding in our chest was just a symptom of our sin. 257 00:21:54,616 --> 00:21:58,096 And we lay ourselves to rest with both our winnings and our injuries. 258 00:21:58,516 --> 00:21:59,676 We're so hungry. 259 00:22:00,196 --> 00:22:01,416 We're so thirsty. 260 00:22:01,916 --> 00:22:03,936 I'm gonna hunt until it hurts me. 261 00:22:04,076 --> 00:22:04,796 And it hurts me. 262 00:22:04,856 --> 00:22:05,476 And it's aching. 263 00:22:05,776 --> 00:22:06,356 It's aching. 264 00:22:06,436 --> 00:22:07,396 We're so thirsty. 265 00:22:07,396 --> 00:22:09,556 We're gonna make a little money. 266 00:22:09,876 --> 00:22:12,036 And we'll buy a little mercy. 267 00:22:18,396 --> 00:22:28,236 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. 268 00:22:28,316 --> 00:22:37,196 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. 269 00:22:37,776 --> 00:22:40,476 The candle's in the window when it's open. 270 00:22:40,896 --> 00:22:43,756 We watch the flames duke it out with every gust, 271 00:22:43,896 --> 00:22:47,716 and we're hoping no one must just burn to the bottom of the wick. 272 00:22:47,716 --> 00:22:51,236 It's the bottom of the fifth and that shit is still burning. 273 00:22:54,296 --> 00:22:58,036 That was Little Mercy by Doontree. 274 00:22:58,456 --> 00:22:59,416 Love it, Mike. 275 00:23:00,616 --> 00:23:02,136 Nice vibe. 276 00:23:03,596 --> 00:23:04,476 Definitely dug that. 277 00:23:05,116 --> 00:23:05,956 Yeah, they are great. 278 00:23:08,076 --> 00:23:10,736 So Laserbeak, you said, joined NOSTA. 279 00:23:11,516 --> 00:23:12,316 When was that? 280 00:23:12,956 --> 00:23:15,196 And you did a Laserbeak show, didn't you? 281 00:23:15,676 --> 00:23:16,196 Yeah, yeah. 282 00:23:16,196 --> 00:23:29,496 he has a so doom tree um desil now lives in in brooklyn um pos has a very solid solo career it's 283 00:23:29,496 --> 00:23:35,196 hard to get the whole group together now because they've had good success as a solo artist um 284 00:23:35,196 --> 00:23:42,176 but they have a subgroup called shredders which got together so it's the it's them 285 00:23:42,176 --> 00:23:49,956 minus Dessa basically and they did a they did a show in May and it was it was awesome it was great 286 00:23:49,956 --> 00:23:59,496 really exciting and trying to continue to keep the keep the momentum going but artists you know 287 00:23:59,496 --> 00:24:04,996 they got there's it's such a grind being an artist and just say hey you've got this new 288 00:24:04,996 --> 00:24:10,156 platform you've got to manage you've got another it's kind of like they already manage half a 289 00:24:10,156 --> 00:24:16,576 dozen social media handles and try to make ends meet it's it's tough to get them we really got to 290 00:24:16,576 --> 00:24:23,076 focus on getting you know getting these people zapped and boosted and getting some positive 291 00:24:23,076 --> 00:24:30,756 results to incentivize them to really go full force because they get it he sees the value prop 292 00:24:30,756 --> 00:24:38,676 he understands the problems but you know we got to get the we got to get the the listeners and 293 00:24:38,676 --> 00:24:44,956 the zappers and the community really pumped up to to get them pumped up and then create that flywheel 294 00:24:44,956 --> 00:24:52,256 that isn't it's always been an interesting one right mike which is there's two there's two sides 295 00:24:52,256 --> 00:24:58,056 to value for value one is the person providing the value whether it's the podcaster or the musician 296 00:24:58,056 --> 00:25:06,516 or whoever it might be and then the other side is the person consuming that who in an ideal world 297 00:25:06,516 --> 00:25:10,196 if they do get value out of what they've consumed, 298 00:25:10,716 --> 00:25:13,776 returns it in the form of a zap or a boost. 299 00:25:14,796 --> 00:25:15,976 And we do see that, right? 300 00:25:16,096 --> 00:25:18,756 There are, I mean, no, 301 00:25:18,856 --> 00:25:21,596 I don't think anyone's making a living off of this, 302 00:25:21,596 --> 00:25:25,596 but if you look at podcasts like Chris Fisher's 303 00:25:25,596 --> 00:25:29,536 This Week in Bitcoin and Linux Unplugged, right? 304 00:25:29,596 --> 00:25:34,116 I mean, he's far and away on the leaderboard 305 00:25:34,116 --> 00:25:39,596 when it comes to getting the boost and what have you. 306 00:25:39,816 --> 00:25:42,296 I mean, this is probably an order of magnitude 307 00:25:42,296 --> 00:25:44,076 more than anyone else, 308 00:25:44,296 --> 00:25:47,076 including any of the Plep Chain radio shows 309 00:25:47,076 --> 00:25:50,136 and others that you see on the front and top 10. 310 00:25:52,416 --> 00:25:54,816 There are people making some headway 311 00:25:54,816 --> 00:25:58,616 and obviously Chris Fisher is a veteran podcaster. 312 00:25:58,696 --> 00:26:00,576 He's been doing this for 15 years, I think. 313 00:26:00,576 --> 00:26:04,076 so I think he knows 314 00:26:04,076 --> 00:26:07,556 he knows how to 315 00:26:07,556 --> 00:26:10,236 craft his episodes 316 00:26:10,236 --> 00:26:11,636 and his asks and so on 317 00:26:11,636 --> 00:26:15,176 but it is a bit of a challenge 318 00:26:15,176 --> 00:26:18,096 because you have a lot of artists 319 00:26:18,096 --> 00:26:18,996 you have a lot of folks 320 00:26:18,996 --> 00:26:19,696 even on NOSTA 321 00:26:19,696 --> 00:26:21,616 putting up their artwork 322 00:26:21,616 --> 00:26:23,756 or whatever it might be 323 00:26:23,756 --> 00:26:26,156 and they spend hours 324 00:26:26,156 --> 00:26:27,396 making a nice video 325 00:26:27,396 --> 00:26:28,636 they put it up 326 00:26:28,636 --> 00:26:29,516 and then it's hit or miss 327 00:26:29,516 --> 00:26:32,716 sometimes you get 328 00:26:32,716 --> 00:26:34,716 the 100,000 sat 329 00:26:34,716 --> 00:26:37,296 zap, sometimes you get crickets 330 00:26:37,296 --> 00:26:39,116 I wonder 331 00:26:39,116 --> 00:26:40,536 what type of 332 00:26:40,536 --> 00:26:43,016 behavioral change it would 333 00:26:43,016 --> 00:26:43,496 need 334 00:26:43,496 --> 00:26:46,736 for this to work 335 00:26:46,736 --> 00:26:48,556 would it take artists to say 336 00:26:48,556 --> 00:26:50,116 look I'm done with this, I'm leaving 337 00:26:50,116 --> 00:26:52,456 I'm spending all this money 338 00:26:52,456 --> 00:26:54,816 and I'm getting nothing in return, almost nothing 339 00:26:54,816 --> 00:26:56,916 in return and then people realize 340 00:26:56,916 --> 00:26:58,516 wait a second, if you want 341 00:26:58,516 --> 00:27:03,316 this, then we actually need to step up and support it. 342 00:27:04,616 --> 00:27:09,776 Yeah, I mean, I think what I tell people, and maybe it's lost in context, because like, 343 00:27:10,856 --> 00:27:13,516 you know, Bitcoin years are like dog years, right? 344 00:27:13,516 --> 00:27:17,276 Like, it's like we think so, like, things move so fast here. 345 00:27:17,376 --> 00:27:22,916 But when I say I'm playing the long game, and I'm patient, I mean, I mean, the long game, 346 00:27:22,916 --> 00:27:31,156 because this is a, it's going to take, you know, 347 00:27:31,196 --> 00:27:33,036 we didn't get into the forest in a day 348 00:27:33,036 --> 00:27:34,896 and we're not going to get out in a day, right? 349 00:27:35,036 --> 00:27:39,856 Like we've got some deeply entrenched behaviors 350 00:27:39,856 --> 00:27:54,772 from customers and from bands that you know need to be adjusted and need to be broken And um you know you look at somebody like like you mentioned Finch and like Adam Curry he was doing value for value 351 00:27:54,772 --> 00:28:02,672 like 18 years ago. Like he was doing it on fiat rails and PayPal and like training his supporters 352 00:28:02,672 --> 00:28:08,532 and his customers. Like, if you want, if you want more of this content, if you like what I'm doing, 353 00:28:08,532 --> 00:28:12,132 put your money where your mouth is. 354 00:28:12,252 --> 00:28:14,512 And it takes the creator to do that. 355 00:28:14,512 --> 00:28:20,812 You know, it can't be like, it can't be the Bitcoiners and the devs. 356 00:28:20,932 --> 00:28:23,992 It's got to be the people who have the fan base. 357 00:28:24,772 --> 00:28:32,832 And the only time I've seen that really happen was at a music festival in Wyoming 358 00:28:32,832 --> 00:28:41,272 that the Daniel and Tatum Turnup and myself and Manny went out to. 359 00:28:42,752 --> 00:28:45,752 And it's called WhatFest. 360 00:28:46,512 --> 00:28:51,052 We put it together very quickly, so we didn't market it very well. 361 00:28:51,352 --> 00:28:54,272 And we were kind of just proof of concept kind of thing. 362 00:28:54,272 --> 00:29:00,192 And we got to the organizers of the festival, and they had it on Wyoming Public Radio. 363 00:29:00,192 --> 00:29:04,692 and the people on stage were the ones talking about it. 364 00:29:04,752 --> 00:29:05,552 It wasn't us. 365 00:29:05,772 --> 00:29:07,992 It was, you know, we'd tell them what we're doing 366 00:29:07,992 --> 00:29:09,312 and they'd say, this is awesome. 367 00:29:10,512 --> 00:29:13,652 And so they were telling normies how to do it 368 00:29:13,652 --> 00:29:15,412 and we had a tent set up in the back 369 00:29:15,412 --> 00:29:18,452 and people would come up and, you know, 370 00:29:18,772 --> 00:29:21,072 we'd give them the primal onboarding cards 371 00:29:21,072 --> 00:29:23,972 with the 2100 sats and, you know, get them set up 372 00:29:23,972 --> 00:29:29,632 and then they would boost from their own newly acquired wallets. 373 00:29:30,192 --> 00:29:41,872 And until we get an artist to bring their normie fan base in, that's going to be, you know, you think about at the Shredders concert. 374 00:29:42,572 --> 00:29:44,252 I mean, people were crying. 375 00:29:44,732 --> 00:29:48,672 Like, that's how excited they were about this band, you know, playing. 376 00:29:50,512 --> 00:29:58,612 And if those people had already been in our community, I mean, they probably would have made five grand. 377 00:29:58,712 --> 00:29:59,512 I'm not exaggerating. 378 00:30:00,192 --> 00:30:06,112 if you get the people who are really excited about the music and Bitcoin isn't the main attraction. 379 00:30:06,592 --> 00:30:10,592 And right now, like, you know, this is Bitcoiners in our little echo chamber. 380 00:30:10,592 --> 00:30:14,212 And it's kind of the technology is the main attraction to a lot of us. 381 00:30:14,212 --> 00:30:15,692 And it's kind of proof in the pudding. 382 00:30:15,952 --> 00:30:18,872 Like this playlist that I put up today, you'll hear is like, 383 00:30:19,292 --> 00:30:25,872 these are grown up artists from the outside world who came into our community 384 00:30:25,872 --> 00:30:30,492 and just dipped their toe in the water. 385 00:30:31,832 --> 00:30:34,892 And they're not screaming it from the stage 386 00:30:34,892 --> 00:30:36,792 and telling all of their fans to go, 387 00:30:37,352 --> 00:30:39,272 this is how I choose to be supported. 388 00:30:40,832 --> 00:30:44,432 I actually love, I use your intro line from PCR, 389 00:30:44,752 --> 00:30:45,612 from PubChain Radio, 390 00:30:45,892 --> 00:30:50,072 where you thank people for listening on the traditional platforms, 391 00:30:50,072 --> 00:30:52,112 but consider going over here. 392 00:30:52,112 --> 00:31:12,412 And I use that a lot in talking to artists and very gently just saying, I would never in my good conscious suggest that anybody just rips the cord and abandons all of their existing business models to come into value for value. 393 00:31:12,772 --> 00:31:15,792 Because it would be a really bad financial decision. 394 00:31:15,792 --> 00:31:25,392 I think that's the way that some of these things could be rebuilt, but we're talking years or decade away. 395 00:31:25,672 --> 00:31:26,452 It's not anything. 396 00:31:28,052 --> 00:31:33,212 You need people to start in this community and build their way up. 397 00:31:34,032 --> 00:31:39,212 It's hard to make the change full pivot if you're already in. 398 00:31:40,412 --> 00:31:42,932 Well, and the UX has got to catch up as well. 399 00:31:42,932 --> 00:31:43,492 100%. 400 00:31:43,492 --> 00:31:50,032 Yeah, we can't be talking about wallets and we can't be talking about key pairs with these people. 401 00:31:50,172 --> 00:31:54,612 It's got to just be like, you know, click, click, forget about it. 402 00:31:54,892 --> 00:31:57,812 Add it to your restream and just forget about it. 403 00:31:57,812 --> 00:31:58,372 Yeah. 404 00:31:59,652 --> 00:32:05,812 Boobery in the comments, in the live stream comments, has Adam Curry and John. 405 00:32:06,712 --> 00:32:11,272 Now, is it pronounced Dvorak or Dvorak like the Czech composer? 406 00:32:12,052 --> 00:32:13,092 I think it's Dvorak. 407 00:32:13,492 --> 00:32:25,452 Dvorak, okay. It's not the Czech pronunciation. And I think Boobry means they are also an example of a successful value for value model on their podcast. 408 00:32:25,452 --> 00:32:35,372 Yeah, they are the model. It's just that they built this before Bitcoin existed. 409 00:32:35,712 --> 00:32:44,852 They were asking and they were directly asking their supporters to do this behavior and then trained them over the years. 410 00:32:45,692 --> 00:32:47,232 And it worked. 411 00:32:47,232 --> 00:32:55,332 but that's a big ask if you look at at doom tree and you say i want all of my existing fans to 412 00:32:55,332 --> 00:33:01,792 change their behavior and it's a really confusing look to just be like why why are my favorite 413 00:33:01,792 --> 00:33:07,092 artists doing this like this doesn't make you know like it's it's the incentives aren't there 414 00:33:07,092 --> 00:33:14,772 for them to like create that that pivot or that divide unless unless the system truly isn't 415 00:33:14,772 --> 00:33:22,592 working for them. And you see it right on, if you look at the Fountain leaderboard, 416 00:33:22,952 --> 00:33:27,552 I'm sure there are other places where you can find these leaderboards, but I just happen to 417 00:33:27,552 --> 00:33:34,092 go to Fountain. You see Chris Fisher's podcast and you have people boosting 200K on an episode, 418 00:33:34,292 --> 00:33:41,632 right? And you see that on Adam Curry's podcast as well. So there are people out there who are 419 00:33:41,632 --> 00:33:50,452 willing to do it if you provide them the value 100 and if the if you're like i i make i made the 420 00:33:50,452 --> 00:33:57,672 joke like i'm glad i'm glad that doom tree didn't have this album on you know value for value when 421 00:33:57,672 --> 00:34:03,932 it came out because i would be broke like it was i mean i listened to this album so much in like 422 00:34:03,932 --> 00:34:08,172 the 2014 to, you know, well, to current, 423 00:34:08,552 --> 00:34:16,232 but to be able to impulsively just share, you know, 424 00:34:16,232 --> 00:34:18,412 my feelings or the, you know, 425 00:34:18,472 --> 00:34:21,412 the movement that I get out of a song with a quick, 426 00:34:21,512 --> 00:34:23,112 like economic button click. 427 00:34:24,512 --> 00:34:28,772 I would have been doing that like a maniac for, you know, 428 00:34:28,772 --> 00:34:29,692 all of these artists. 429 00:34:30,492 --> 00:34:30,592 Yeah. 430 00:34:31,752 --> 00:34:32,572 No, for sure. 431 00:34:32,832 --> 00:34:33,632 Same here, Mike. 432 00:34:33,932 --> 00:34:36,792 So let's listen to your next song first, 433 00:34:36,832 --> 00:34:38,072 and then we'll talk about it. 434 00:34:38,432 --> 00:34:38,652 Cool. 435 00:34:38,772 --> 00:34:41,252 This one is by Theo Katzman, 436 00:34:41,632 --> 00:34:44,772 and it's called You Could Be President. 437 00:34:45,292 --> 00:34:48,712 It's from a live show in Amsterdam. 438 00:34:50,032 --> 00:34:50,572 Yeah! 439 00:35:03,932 --> 00:35:15,632 Mama, mama, it's a madman world 440 00:35:15,632 --> 00:35:16,372 You know this one 441 00:35:16,372 --> 00:35:21,072 I feel bad for all the poison blues 442 00:35:21,072 --> 00:35:25,712 Falling in from the astral plane 443 00:35:25,712 --> 00:35:29,192 Out of the great unknown 444 00:35:29,192 --> 00:35:31,052 Into the grand insane 445 00:35:31,052 --> 00:35:35,792 I've got good news 446 00:35:35,792 --> 00:35:40,892 You don't have to play by the blues 447 00:35:40,892 --> 00:35:45,632 So step right up and just take your brain 448 00:35:45,632 --> 00:35:50,912 And I'm gonna teach you how to play the game 449 00:35:50,912 --> 00:35:56,992 Just throw your punches in 450 00:35:56,992 --> 00:35:58,032 Have no resistance 451 00:35:58,032 --> 00:35:59,292 Follow the mission 452 00:35:59,292 --> 00:36:00,792 In spite of evidence 453 00:36:00,792 --> 00:36:04,192 This owner is just a five-minute residence that you could be 454 00:36:04,192 --> 00:36:17,792 Mama, mama, I hate you, say 455 00:36:17,792 --> 00:36:22,792 Doggy dog seems like the only way 456 00:36:23,352 --> 00:36:28,172 Take your seat in the captain's gym 457 00:36:28,172 --> 00:36:30,572 Smell it, but it's a blood nose. 458 00:36:30,672 --> 00:36:33,272 The golden rule ain't gonna get you there. 459 00:36:34,972 --> 00:36:37,772 Don't be home and don't be calm. 460 00:36:40,272 --> 00:36:43,272 All that noise is just a waste of time. 461 00:36:43,672 --> 00:36:45,172 It's a waste of your time. 462 00:36:45,372 --> 00:36:47,772 I pay no mind on what the people say. 463 00:36:50,172 --> 00:36:53,172 So long as the people say your name. 464 00:36:53,172 --> 00:36:55,172 Keep saying your name. 465 00:36:55,172 --> 00:36:59,272 Just don't look what you said 466 00:36:59,272 --> 00:37:00,532 I have no hesitance 467 00:37:00,532 --> 00:37:01,332 Follow me 468 00:37:01,332 --> 00:37:03,172 In spite of evidence 469 00:37:03,172 --> 00:37:04,052 This whole life 470 00:37:04,052 --> 00:37:05,672 This is the private residence 471 00:37:05,672 --> 00:37:06,532 And you can be 472 00:37:25,172 --> 00:37:42,692 Mama, mama, it's hard to see 473 00:37:42,692 --> 00:37:47,372 That old lady called Liberty 474 00:37:47,372 --> 00:37:52,312 Whooping into that New York babe 475 00:37:52,312 --> 00:37:57,712 Well, if I could console it, this is what I'd say. 476 00:37:58,052 --> 00:37:59,952 Come on now, say. 477 00:38:01,712 --> 00:38:04,912 Just throw your punches and have no hesitance. 478 00:38:05,032 --> 00:38:07,472 Follow the punches in spite of evidence. 479 00:38:07,732 --> 00:38:10,052 This whole earth is just private residence. 480 00:38:10,292 --> 00:38:13,092 And it's all good, so you can make your mess of it. 481 00:38:13,192 --> 00:38:15,592 From your mouth and make all your messages. 482 00:38:15,592 --> 00:38:18,472 Just the truth until you can't make sense of it. 483 00:38:18,552 --> 00:38:19,332 You can't live. 484 00:38:19,332 --> 00:38:21,092 But you can keep on spending it. 485 00:38:21,092 --> 00:38:22,852 You can be president. 486 00:38:22,852 --> 00:38:25,572 Yes, you can be president. 487 00:38:25,572 --> 00:38:27,332 Yes, you can be president. 488 00:38:27,332 --> 00:38:32,012 Yes, you can be president. 489 00:38:32,012 --> 00:38:32,512 Yes! 490 00:38:49,332 --> 00:38:53,912 I love you! 491 00:38:59,552 --> 00:39:04,592 That was You Could Be President by Theo Kassman. 492 00:39:05,192 --> 00:39:06,892 Great song, Mike. Great choice. 493 00:39:06,892 --> 00:39:11,052 I was at Beko and Atlantis in Madeira. 494 00:39:11,832 --> 00:39:13,652 When was that? March of 2021. 495 00:39:14,032 --> 00:39:15,932 I can't believe it's been two years almost. 496 00:39:17,212 --> 00:39:19,232 And Theo Kassman played there. 497 00:39:19,332 --> 00:39:23,092 Joe Martin played, Theo Kassman played, a few others did. 498 00:39:23,452 --> 00:39:25,052 That was a great day. Great show. 499 00:39:25,812 --> 00:39:27,252 Yeah, I was so jealous. 500 00:39:27,252 --> 00:39:36,592 I was shocked when I saw that because we know Theo from the day job. 501 00:39:37,732 --> 00:39:41,192 Every show he's played with us has been obviously a big sellout. 502 00:39:41,712 --> 00:39:46,732 And I had no idea how he arrived in the community. 503 00:39:46,732 --> 00:40:11,732 I guess it came through Jeff Booth, and I've since connected with Theo and his manager and trying to just get a better understanding of what he's up to and how is he incorporating this into the existing career. 504 00:40:11,732 --> 00:40:17,952 career and the answer is he's he's just really passionate about the space but you know even like 505 00:40:17,952 --> 00:40:25,252 me i made the decision to to come out and to really be active in the community but it it's 506 00:40:25,252 --> 00:40:32,092 it's challenging it's challenging to like find this and incorporate it into your 507 00:40:32,092 --> 00:40:39,432 existing identity and product but he is i mean you can hear that energy that must 508 00:40:39,432 --> 00:40:45,432 have been awesome to see him in Madeira. Oh, it was great. It was a great show all around, 509 00:40:45,652 --> 00:40:52,452 actually. It was a beautiful, huge outdoor venue. And there were several hundred people there. 510 00:40:53,572 --> 00:40:58,912 And I saw they're doing it again in 28. Is that right? I can't wait. I'm already 511 00:40:58,912 --> 00:41:03,732 blocking it off. I'm blocking it off. I'm holding Andre to it if he's not planning on it. 512 00:41:03,732 --> 00:41:10,032 probably the best pick on conference i've been to mike uh i mean there's several good ones that 513 00:41:10,032 --> 00:41:18,032 are right up there but this one was special oh yeah theo i mean wolf pack is the band that he he's 514 00:41:18,032 --> 00:41:26,192 um a part of this is his solo album so he has all of the rights and ability to post 515 00:41:26,192 --> 00:41:33,612 um his own content to value for value but um if you don't know the band wolf pack v-u-l-f-p-e-c-k 516 00:41:33,612 --> 00:41:46,608 I mean everything they do sells out And I think they played three shows back here in Minneapolis 517 00:41:47,448 --> 00:41:51,428 including one of them, like a lunchtime matinee. 518 00:41:51,828 --> 00:41:53,728 And everything they did was just awesome. 519 00:41:54,188 --> 00:41:59,568 And so I was super excited to just see his name randomly pop up, 520 00:41:59,568 --> 00:42:02,088 and it was one of those moments where I was like, is this happening? 521 00:42:02,088 --> 00:42:12,048 you know is he a noster yeah okay folks look up theo catsman on noster 522 00:42:12,048 --> 00:42:16,388 and give him a follow i will too i didn't even know he was on noster 523 00:42:16,388 --> 00:42:19,808 yeah and that's what's funny is like you look at these 524 00:42:19,808 --> 00:42:28,648 these guys on my list the the disconnect is just absurd to me that like theo catsman has 350 525 00:42:28,648 --> 00:42:31,008 followers on Noster, Sam Means 526 00:42:31,008 --> 00:42:32,968 has 300, Laserbeak 527 00:42:32,968 --> 00:42:33,988 has a couple hundred 528 00:42:33,988 --> 00:42:35,588 and like 529 00:42:35,588 --> 00:42:37,048 yeah 530 00:42:37,048 --> 00:42:40,948 Sam is running 531 00:42:40,948 --> 00:42:42,988 we'll get to him in one of these future 532 00:42:42,988 --> 00:42:45,168 songs but they're selling thousands 533 00:42:45,168 --> 00:42:47,268 and thousands of tickets out in the real world 534 00:42:47,268 --> 00:42:49,388 and nobody knows who they are here 535 00:42:49,388 --> 00:42:50,448 yeah 536 00:42:50,448 --> 00:42:51,988 that is funny 537 00:42:51,988 --> 00:42:54,568 Mike, let's listen to your next song 538 00:42:54,568 --> 00:42:57,108 talk about it and then I do want to get back to 539 00:42:57,108 --> 00:42:59,788 one of the earlier open threads. 540 00:43:00,448 --> 00:43:01,628 Actually, speaking of Sam Means, 541 00:43:01,708 --> 00:43:03,108 your third song is by Sam Means. 542 00:43:03,108 --> 00:43:03,528 Oh, there you go. 543 00:43:04,088 --> 00:43:04,308 Yeah. 544 00:43:04,908 --> 00:43:09,608 So this one is Yeah, Yeah by Sam Means. 545 00:43:18,228 --> 00:43:20,308 Today was the day 546 00:43:20,308 --> 00:43:23,208 That I put everything in perspective 547 00:43:23,208 --> 00:43:26,008 I fell asleep when I woke up 548 00:43:26,008 --> 00:43:35,748 Everything changed and the skies turned on. That was before. That was before. 549 00:43:40,248 --> 00:43:46,328 You came along and you turned me on with a little bit of love and a little bit of yeah, yeah. 550 00:43:46,328 --> 00:43:53,628 Today is the day 551 00:43:53,628 --> 00:43:56,528 That I threw out everything that I wanted 552 00:43:56,528 --> 00:43:59,028 I was scared, but that's alright 553 00:43:59,028 --> 00:44:02,108 Who needs a ride that's taking too long? 554 00:44:02,368 --> 00:44:03,188 That was before 555 00:44:03,188 --> 00:44:09,008 That was before 556 00:44:09,008 --> 00:44:16,548 Came along and he played me a song 557 00:44:16,548 --> 00:44:19,728 With a little bit of love and a little bit of yeah, yeah 558 00:44:39,008 --> 00:44:40,008 Yeah. 559 00:45:09,008 --> 00:45:15,528 That was Yeah, Yeah by Sam Means. 560 00:45:15,728 --> 00:45:18,928 And Mike, it is interesting that in the Nostra and Bitcoin world, 561 00:45:19,648 --> 00:45:24,888 Sam is known as the lightning store and the wave lake guy. 562 00:45:25,328 --> 00:45:31,268 When in reality, he's actually, his biggest project is his music. 563 00:45:32,068 --> 00:45:35,388 And his band, the format and some of his solo work as well. 564 00:45:35,388 --> 00:45:46,468 yeah it is um it's it's funny you um and even that like he i knew sam i mean i'd say through 565 00:45:46,468 --> 00:45:53,968 i met him i made all these connections through bitcoin but not knowing so i had actually done 566 00:45:53,968 --> 00:46:01,488 work with sam in two different contexts before wave lake because he's also running a very 567 00:46:01,488 --> 00:46:08,628 substantial successful merch business called hello merch which does um the fulfillment and 568 00:46:08,628 --> 00:46:16,108 production and art and and anything you want for um independent artists uh merchandise operations 569 00:46:16,108 --> 00:46:22,208 so they they are the official merchandiser of neva the national independent venue association 570 00:46:22,208 --> 00:46:27,448 which you'll see me wearing their their stuff all over the place at conferences and 571 00:46:27,448 --> 00:46:31,968 And I'm on a couple of the committees and one of the founding members of NEVA. 572 00:46:32,728 --> 00:46:36,688 And so it's kind of funny to me. 573 00:46:37,228 --> 00:46:44,568 Sam just played a show in Minneapolis with the format about a month ago. 574 00:46:44,708 --> 00:46:45,388 It was mid-December. 575 00:46:46,608 --> 00:46:50,548 And I tell you what, it was easily the toughest ticket in town to get. 576 00:46:50,548 --> 00:47:03,308 Like it was, it was a, again, it was an afternoon show because it was, it was a last second kind of tour that they put together and we were booked everywhere. 577 00:47:04,448 --> 00:47:08,148 But I mean, those tickets were going for hundreds of dollars. 578 00:47:08,608 --> 00:47:13,808 And if you pull up the formats touring page, they did their, their reunion show in Phoenix. 579 00:47:13,808 --> 00:47:17,888 They sold out an arena in, at the state fairgrounds. 580 00:47:17,888 --> 00:47:23,988 And I know Heather and QW and a lot of the Noster PHX folks were down there. 581 00:47:23,988 --> 00:47:35,188 And if you're in the music business and you pull up their tour right now, I mean, they sold out the Ryman in Nashville. 582 00:47:36,108 --> 00:47:39,588 They're playing all the big places. 583 00:47:39,588 --> 00:47:47,988 so it's kind of funny to me when I hear people just assume you know Sam from Wavelake I'm like 584 00:47:47,988 --> 00:47:55,008 yeah like he is Sam from Wavelake but he's he's too humble to to beat his own chest but 585 00:47:55,008 --> 00:48:01,728 he's a big deal everybody knows him in music and they're playing uh Jimmy Kimmel on Thursday for 586 00:48:01,728 --> 00:48:08,568 example so mark your calendars for if you want to see their their new album Boycott Heaven just 587 00:48:08,568 --> 00:48:17,668 dropped uh two days ago so they are it's really exciting and they have a label right mike they 588 00:48:17,668 --> 00:48:23,608 won't be dropping it on wave lake for instance right and that's another it's another great 589 00:48:23,608 --> 00:48:30,468 example isn't that kind of telling of how hard this space is is that the founder of wave lake 590 00:48:30,468 --> 00:48:38,248 and and his band are playing jimmy kimmel and it's not on wave lake like that's that's kind 591 00:48:38,248 --> 00:48:44,948 of the obstacles that we're up against though as a community you know i had this conversation on 592 00:48:44,948 --> 00:48:53,808 just a few weeks back with uh noah and lahav from scardust about and they have a label too 593 00:48:53,808 --> 00:49:00,228 right and and the conversation was how do you how is there a way in which we can get 594 00:49:00,228 --> 00:49:06,068 their amazing music sam's amazing music all of these other amazing bands into 595 00:49:06,068 --> 00:49:09,228 this open music ecosystem 596 00:49:09,228 --> 00:49:10,788 at Fountain, Wave Lake, 597 00:49:11,028 --> 00:49:12,428 all the other Valley for Value 598 00:49:12,428 --> 00:49:16,968 apps that are out there. 599 00:49:17,868 --> 00:49:18,308 And 600 00:49:18,308 --> 00:49:20,788 it probably has to start with 601 00:49:20,788 --> 00:49:21,588 orange pilling 602 00:49:21,588 --> 00:49:24,628 the labels themselves and then 603 00:49:24,628 --> 00:49:26,748 trying to convince the labels that, look, you can take a 604 00:49:26,748 --> 00:49:27,068 split. 605 00:49:28,188 --> 00:49:30,428 Just put the music up on these 606 00:49:30,428 --> 00:49:32,608 as an RSS feed or 607 00:49:32,608 --> 00:49:34,568 whatever it is, as long as it's available 608 00:49:34,568 --> 00:49:36,688 on all of these apps. 609 00:49:36,788 --> 00:49:40,408 And then for every boost, every zap, every stream, 610 00:49:40,648 --> 00:49:43,368 the label gets whatever percent, 50%, 611 00:49:43,368 --> 00:49:44,728 and then the rest goes to the band. 612 00:49:47,008 --> 00:49:49,308 I think the conversation has to be that, right? 613 00:49:50,448 --> 00:49:53,068 Yeah, I mean, I wanted to put... 614 00:49:53,068 --> 00:49:58,068 Yeah, I wanted to put Scardust on my playlist. 615 00:49:58,068 --> 00:49:59,968 And I was like, this sucks, right? 616 00:50:00,388 --> 00:50:01,068 You can't... 617 00:50:01,068 --> 00:50:07,248 like, why can't these songs be, you know, on both places? 618 00:50:07,248 --> 00:50:10,248 And I know the legalities and the contracts, everything, 619 00:50:10,548 --> 00:50:13,608 there are very good reasons why you can't. 620 00:50:15,248 --> 00:50:22,068 But it's something that a lot of people are working really hard on, 621 00:50:22,068 --> 00:50:26,408 and I'm not sure, I don't deal with the recorded space. 622 00:50:26,408 --> 00:50:46,448 I'm not going to pretend to be an expert in those areas, but it is fraught with a lot of very litigious people and a lot of threats and very limiting contracts. 623 00:50:46,708 --> 00:50:47,588 But I think it is. 624 00:50:47,588 --> 00:50:57,808 how much money do these labels make from spotify or itunes or apple music i guess it's on itunes 625 00:50:57,808 --> 00:51:03,148 anymore yeah it's it's a black box because you know the way for example the way it works 626 00:51:03,148 --> 00:51:08,168 in our venues you know you you have 627 00:51:08,168 --> 00:51:17,228 um all of your pro's the the royalty companies so if say you know avi puts out a 628 00:51:17,228 --> 00:51:23,668 puts out a single and you don't know how to monetize it you'll sign with either ASCAP, 629 00:51:23,808 --> 00:51:33,248 BMI, CSAC, GMR, one of these agencies and their job is to go be the you know the enforcers that 630 00:51:33,248 --> 00:51:41,348 when your content is being played the people playing it are paying for it and so we've got 631 00:51:41,348 --> 00:51:47,868 six venues and two restaurants, for example, here in Minneapolis, and they could just walk 632 00:51:47,868 --> 00:51:54,648 into your door, hear that you're playing ambient music, like something that's not instrumental. 633 00:51:54,988 --> 00:51:59,128 It's like you're playing the radio. And if you're playing the radio, then you have to 634 00:51:59,128 --> 00:52:05,528 pay them. You have to pay them an annual fee and it could be 10 grand. If you're a ticketed venue, 635 00:52:05,528 --> 00:52:09,088 It's based on a percent of your ticket revenue. 636 00:52:09,368 --> 00:52:12,268 So it's just, you know, it adds up real fast. 637 00:52:12,268 --> 00:52:20,248 But then once we write the check to ASCAP, BMI, or CSEC, we have no idea as a customer of the music, right? 638 00:52:20,288 --> 00:52:25,388 Like if we're playing Sam Means song, I have no idea how much is going to the artists. 639 00:52:25,668 --> 00:52:30,428 I just know that I've paid my ransom to BMI and ASCAP, and that's it. 640 00:52:30,428 --> 00:52:36,608 and then they run it through their machine of overhead and lawyers and all that 641 00:52:36,608 --> 00:52:40,508 and whatever's left over presumably goes to the artists. 642 00:52:41,208 --> 00:52:47,128 And with something like Spotify or Apple Music, there's a paper trail, so to speak. 643 00:52:47,208 --> 00:52:51,108 They know how many times a song has been played because they track it. 644 00:52:51,568 --> 00:52:55,508 And that's how the old radio stations used to work is they'd have to submit their playlists. 645 00:52:55,508 --> 00:53:04,728 we have to submit our playlists too like our set lists when when a band plays so they do their best 646 00:53:04,728 --> 00:53:10,888 to track how many times a song is getting played but that's part of the big problem where like it's 647 00:53:10,888 --> 00:53:16,708 the haves and the have-nots because the ones that have a really good paper trail are the huge 648 00:53:16,708 --> 00:53:22,408 platforms and those are the ones that are playing taylor swift and and the big names that are 649 00:53:22,408 --> 00:53:23,528 already doing just fine. 650 00:53:26,608 --> 00:53:32,288 Yeah, every time this type of topic comes up, it's just, it's disgusting, Mike. 651 00:53:32,288 --> 00:53:38,448 It's a disgusting mess of rent seekers and vested interests. 652 00:53:38,748 --> 00:53:43,468 And it's always the listener and the artist who end up getting shafted and everyone else 653 00:53:43,468 --> 00:53:44,568 makes off like a bandit. 654 00:53:45,268 --> 00:53:46,488 It's a big problem. 655 00:53:46,488 --> 00:54:01,708 It really has changed our relationships with artists in the booking side, too, because even when I was growing up, I'd bike over to Sam Goody and get my CDs. 656 00:54:02,368 --> 00:54:09,888 And that's how I consumed music, because I'd pay 15 bucks to listen to the favorite songs that I had heard on the radio. 657 00:54:09,888 --> 00:54:15,348 and artists would mainly you know they'd go on tour they'd make money on tour but 658 00:54:15,348 --> 00:54:23,148 the tour was to promote the album and sell more discs and now it's flipped so now they 659 00:54:23,148 --> 00:54:29,828 they need to make all their money on tour and they give away the album so to speak to sell 660 00:54:29,828 --> 00:54:38,188 tickets on tour and well that puts that puts a different strain on the on the live side of like 661 00:54:38,188 --> 00:54:49,408 How do you run a venue and pay artists what they're worth and cut fair deals and keep the lights on? 662 00:54:50,648 --> 00:54:55,528 It's just as hard to be the venue and compete with all these huge interests. 663 00:54:55,928 --> 00:54:57,648 In our case, it's Live Nation. 664 00:54:58,468 --> 00:55:01,968 In their case, it's the PROs and Spotify. 665 00:55:04,208 --> 00:55:06,568 The little guy's getting squeezed on both sides. 666 00:55:08,188 --> 00:55:10,548 well that's why 667 00:55:10,548 --> 00:55:13,928 the hope is that we spread the word 668 00:55:13,928 --> 00:55:15,188 well we need better UX 669 00:55:15,188 --> 00:55:16,288 that's for sure 670 00:55:16,288 --> 00:55:19,548 and just the broader open music ecosystem side 671 00:55:19,548 --> 00:55:21,448 better UX for 672 00:55:21,448 --> 00:55:23,668 booths and zaps and streams 673 00:55:23,668 --> 00:55:25,608 and onboarding 674 00:55:25,608 --> 00:55:26,088 even 675 00:55:26,088 --> 00:55:28,588 and we just try and 676 00:55:28,588 --> 00:55:30,948 chip away I guess 677 00:55:30,948 --> 00:55:32,788 until a critical mass is reached 678 00:55:33,264 --> 00:55:36,944 Mike, before we play the next song 679 00:55:36,944 --> 00:55:38,984 I do want to go back to the topic 680 00:55:38,984 --> 00:55:40,124 we were talking about in the beginning 681 00:55:40,124 --> 00:55:43,344 which is music and art in general 682 00:55:43,344 --> 00:55:49,184 allowing people to express themselves 683 00:55:49,184 --> 00:55:52,304 in a way that would be more confrontational 684 00:55:52,304 --> 00:55:54,304 if they did it in a normal conversation 685 00:55:54,304 --> 00:55:56,004 now having said that though 686 00:55:56,004 --> 00:55:58,364 and I happen to agree with that in general 687 00:55:58,364 --> 00:55:59,564 but having said that 688 00:55:59,564 --> 00:56:03,104 if you look at what's the trajectory 689 00:56:03,104 --> 00:56:05,144 of culture in the last 15-20 years 690 00:56:05,144 --> 00:56:07,204 so much preachiness 691 00:56:07,204 --> 00:56:09,104 and I guess, you know, wokeism 692 00:56:09,104 --> 00:56:10,704 if you will, right, has crept in 693 00:56:10,704 --> 00:56:13,044 into the messaging 694 00:56:13,044 --> 00:56:14,484 right, movies are 695 00:56:14,484 --> 00:56:17,264 they're basically trying to teach people 696 00:56:17,264 --> 00:56:19,184 a lesson on what a good 697 00:56:19,184 --> 00:56:20,664 moral human being is 698 00:56:20,664 --> 00:56:22,964 it's kind of crept into music as well 699 00:56:22,964 --> 00:56:24,964 it is a hard balance to strike 700 00:56:24,964 --> 00:56:27,204 which is being able to speak 701 00:56:27,204 --> 00:56:28,024 about an injustice 702 00:56:28,024 --> 00:56:30,364 through your art 703 00:56:30,364 --> 00:56:31,604 without 704 00:56:31,604 --> 00:56:37,044 you know just making it completely moralizing and preachy to the point where the art is 705 00:56:37,044 --> 00:56:40,824 completely submerged in this uh ideological message 706 00:56:40,824 --> 00:56:53,384 yeah it i guess it it's for me it's it's authenticity you know that's the divide that's 707 00:56:53,384 --> 00:57:00,984 the the differentiation is is if if you're just expressing yourself and speaking your truth and 708 00:57:00,984 --> 00:57:06,324 and representing your own reality, that's one thing. 709 00:57:06,424 --> 00:57:11,224 But if you're being influenced by an outside interest or, you know, 710 00:57:11,224 --> 00:57:17,704 you're doing something subversive to like instill a specific message or using 711 00:57:17,704 --> 00:57:21,824 your platform for ulterior motives, that's different, obviously. And, 712 00:57:22,004 --> 00:57:26,144 you know, without specifics and like this, 713 00:57:26,144 --> 00:57:34,044 underlying culture and message in art. 714 00:57:34,284 --> 00:57:35,704 It's tough, but I think 715 00:57:35,704 --> 00:57:40,944 in the indie, I'm fortunate that in the indie 716 00:57:40,944 --> 00:57:44,764 music scene that we're in, it largely is 717 00:57:44,764 --> 00:57:49,304 pretty authentic, unless I just give the benefit of the doubt to too many people. 718 00:57:52,724 --> 00:57:53,324 But 719 00:57:53,324 --> 00:57:58,864 it is a sneaky way to get subliminal messaging across, right? 720 00:57:59,224 --> 00:58:03,224 Through film and music and pop culture. 721 00:58:05,264 --> 00:58:07,984 Yeah, I think if it's authentic, completely agree. 722 00:58:08,064 --> 00:58:10,544 But I guess just to play devil's advocate here, Mike, for a second, 723 00:58:11,864 --> 00:58:14,304 people can be manipulated, including artists, 724 00:58:14,304 --> 00:58:21,544 by interests that want to shape culture in a certain way to their benefit. 725 00:58:21,544 --> 00:58:25,564 and they can be psychologically manipulated 726 00:58:25,564 --> 00:58:28,104 into believing that what they're about to say, 727 00:58:28,224 --> 00:58:30,904 the cause that they're championing through their art, 728 00:58:31,144 --> 00:58:33,044 is their authentic voice, 729 00:58:33,884 --> 00:58:38,584 when it might be subtle manipulation through a psyop 730 00:58:38,584 --> 00:58:40,924 or something like that. 731 00:58:41,404 --> 00:58:44,304 Yeah, it's a question of who are those people behind the scenes? 732 00:58:44,444 --> 00:58:46,984 How truly independent is the voice that you're hearing? 733 00:58:48,624 --> 00:58:48,864 Yeah. 734 00:58:51,544 --> 00:59:00,364 So, Mike, let's move on to your next song, which is by Henry Invisible, and it's called Do It Good. 735 00:59:00,524 --> 00:59:02,984 Why don't we play it first and then you can talk about it. 736 00:59:03,344 --> 00:59:03,604 Sure. 737 00:59:03,604 --> 00:59:18,684 Sometimes I put my head into my hands 738 00:59:18,684 --> 00:59:22,684 And think about a bright tomorrow 739 00:59:22,684 --> 00:59:29,044 I keep on wondering about the world 740 00:59:29,044 --> 00:59:33,224 Cause you can feel there's so much sorrow 741 00:59:33,224 --> 00:59:35,664 Then I'll remember 742 00:59:35,664 --> 00:59:37,944 There's no more 743 00:59:37,944 --> 00:59:40,764 If I could, I would 744 00:59:40,764 --> 00:59:43,664 Because I can 745 00:59:43,664 --> 00:59:47,324 I'd sing you this message 746 00:59:47,324 --> 00:59:50,904 May resonate, yeah 747 00:59:50,904 --> 00:59:53,864 With every human being 748 00:59:53,864 --> 00:59:55,044 Here we are 749 00:59:55,044 --> 00:59:57,384 Do it good, yeah 750 00:59:57,384 --> 01:00:00,184 And do what you can 751 01:00:00,184 --> 01:00:01,404 Cause you should 752 01:00:01,404 --> 01:00:06,804 Got to do it good 753 01:00:06,804 --> 01:00:10,644 Do what you can 754 01:00:10,644 --> 01:00:12,184 Cause you should 755 01:00:12,184 --> 01:00:25,084 Say it like this 756 01:00:25,084 --> 01:00:30,684 No need to ever wonder why 757 01:00:30,684 --> 01:00:35,744 Things in the world are that way 758 01:00:35,744 --> 01:00:42,084 Why there's so much magic in this world 759 01:00:42,084 --> 01:00:47,104 And you can tell that every day in many ways 760 01:00:47,104 --> 01:00:49,984 There's you and me 761 01:00:49,984 --> 01:00:55,444 And we can be everything we want to be. 762 01:00:55,884 --> 01:00:58,904 Well, how do you do it good? 763 01:01:00,844 --> 01:01:04,024 You got to do what you can, cause you should. 764 01:01:07,884 --> 01:01:09,284 Do it good. 765 01:01:11,124 --> 01:01:14,464 You got to do what you can, cause you should. 766 01:01:18,304 --> 01:01:19,784 Do it good. 767 01:01:19,984 --> 01:01:27,084 You gotta do what you can cause you should 768 01:01:27,644 --> 01:01:28,804 Now... 769 01:01:28,804 --> 01:01:30,144 Do it good 770 01:01:30,144 --> 01:01:35,364 Yeah, I gotta do what you can cause you should 771 01:01:35,364 --> 01:01:37,104 Now... 772 01:01:38,824 --> 01:01:39,024 Now... 773 01:01:39,724 --> 01:01:40,024 Do it good 774 01:01:40,024 --> 01:01:41,624 Yeah 775 01:01:41,624 --> 01:01:42,584 Yeah 776 01:01:42,584 --> 01:01:46,104 You gotta do what you can cause you should 777 01:01:46,104 --> 01:01:48,224 Now... 778 01:01:48,224 --> 01:01:48,864 do it 779 01:01:48,864 --> 01:01:51,384 you gotta do it 780 01:01:51,384 --> 01:01:52,504 but you can't 781 01:01:52,504 --> 01:01:53,364 when you can 782 01:01:53,364 --> 01:02:04,704 that was 783 01:02:04,704 --> 01:02:05,644 Do It Good 784 01:02:05,644 --> 01:02:07,784 by Henry Invisible 785 01:02:07,784 --> 01:02:10,324 Mike, I don't think I'm familiar 786 01:02:10,324 --> 01:02:12,444 with this act, I love that song, it had that nice 787 01:02:12,444 --> 01:02:14,424 upbeat energy, a perfect brunch 788 01:02:14,424 --> 01:02:16,484 song, but tell me a little 789 01:02:16,484 --> 01:02:17,484 bit about Henry Invisible 790 01:02:17,484 --> 01:02:43,124 Yeah, Henry, he's so much fun. He's a staple in the Austin music community. So I met him last year for the first time. And he was recommended to me by actually somebody affiliated with South by Southwest down in Austin when we were working on this show with Adam Curry. I guess it was 2024 now. It's 2026. 791 01:02:43,124 --> 01:02:50,984 um and so i started um just chatting with him in you know the summer fall of 2024 792 01:02:50,984 --> 01:03:00,364 and he was fascinated by this value for value nostr creator economy he just he's ate it up and um 793 01:03:00,364 --> 01:03:08,764 so we booked him to play on that um the show with uh with adam curry and ainsley and all the 794 01:03:08,764 --> 01:03:17,044 you know that that great night sats by southwest down there and um he's still posting on nostor 795 01:03:17,044 --> 01:03:23,664 he loves it he's he posts all these fun little shorts in his studio where he's just jamming and 796 01:03:23,664 --> 01:03:29,164 um you know saying hi and it's it's always kind of funny and endearing when you hear like somebody 797 01:03:29,164 --> 01:03:36,184 coming in new and they you know they mistake you know the the app for the protocol you know they're 798 01:03:36,184 --> 01:03:44,044 like hey primal fan fam and uh you know he's but he's into it and um i keep in touch with him and 799 01:03:44,044 --> 01:03:50,444 he's he's he's doing a weekly residency down in austin and selling a lot of tickets he does he 800 01:03:50,444 --> 01:03:56,284 does live shows and dj sets and um he's just you can tell from this from the music he just 801 01:03:56,284 --> 01:04:03,164 he's great at getting the crowd going and um just a fun voice very positive guy 802 01:04:03,164 --> 01:04:10,104 and he's on Nostra as well so here's what I'll do Mike in the show notes uh for the podcast itself 803 01:04:10,104 --> 01:04:19,384 I will include the npubs or or a link to their uh Nostra profile for all of these artists who 804 01:04:19,384 --> 01:04:24,724 are on Nostra I mean Sam everyone knows is on Nostra but I'll include that as well um Theo 805 01:04:24,724 --> 01:04:32,544 Katzman uh and these are on all of the people I put are on Nostra now for Doomtree would that be 806 01:04:32,544 --> 01:04:39,164 laser beak or doom tree has okay yeah it'd be laser beak okay yeah i'll make sure i get all of 807 01:04:39,164 --> 01:04:45,884 those into the show notes uh and you were talking about austin mike and that reminded me a couple of 808 01:04:45,884 --> 01:04:51,804 months back you both from i think from your account and the teenster account you were posting 809 01:04:51,804 --> 01:05:00,044 videos of this venue uh on sixth street in austin right across the street from 810 01:05:00,044 --> 01:05:07,024 Rogan's Comedy Club. It's called Maggie Mays. And then I think you said that they've joined Nostra. 811 01:05:07,864 --> 01:05:15,244 And that was interesting to see. But what is the story behind Maggie Mays and what's happening in 812 01:05:15,244 --> 01:05:25,344 Austin? Yeah. You know, for forever, it'll sound kind of funny from a guy who runs venues for a 813 01:05:25,344 --> 01:05:32,004 living, but I've been looking for a permanent home for Toonster, like a place where we just, 814 01:05:32,504 --> 01:05:37,404 it becomes just the standard of operations, right? Like you, you just have it set up. 815 01:05:37,904 --> 01:05:44,564 And if, if you give the, you give artists the 30 second elevator pitch of, Hey, I've got this 816 01:05:44,564 --> 01:05:50,224 thing, you know, you want to turn the cameras on and see if you get any free money. That's 817 01:05:50,224 --> 01:05:59,824 essentially the the layman's term like no no risk pitch that i give and um you know i tried to do it 818 01:05:59,824 --> 01:06:05,644 at the vinyl lounge in nashville and they had a change of ownership and they just they weren't 819 01:06:05,644 --> 01:06:11,444 doing it like the phantom power team was just working their butts off and doing all the work 820 01:06:11,444 --> 01:06:18,344 for them and we need somebody who's actually on site to do it and invest in it with time like i'll 821 01:06:18,344 --> 01:06:28,164 put in, I'll put in the capital and the equipment, whatever, and help out. But we need somebody to 822 01:06:28,164 --> 01:06:34,264 run with it and to buy in. And so the owner of Maggie Mays had heard about Toonster from, 823 01:06:34,424 --> 01:06:41,824 from the Sats by Southwest show in, in 2024. And he just cold called me basically and said, 824 01:06:41,824 --> 01:06:49,104 what do I got to do to, to do this? And I thought it was BS. I was like, yeah, right. Like I thought 825 01:06:49,104 --> 01:06:55,504 it was, you know, like a fake account, you know, on Huster, you know? And, um, and one of his 826 01:06:55,504 --> 01:07:03,644 friends down in, in Austin was at, you know, at Bitcoin park, he's a based Bitcoiner. I'm not 827 01:07:03,644 --> 01:07:10,804 going to dox him because he's very private. Um, but he, he made the connection to us and we started 828 01:07:10,804 --> 01:07:16,564 talking and and i was like yeah let's do that and i went down there and visited and he's literally 829 01:07:16,564 --> 01:07:21,964 his front door faces rogan's comedy club like you walk right out the door and it's there's the 830 01:07:21,964 --> 01:07:29,044 mothership and it's right on sixth street about what two or three blocks from bitcoin park austin 831 01:07:29,044 --> 01:07:37,624 and you know that's arguably one of the busiest music streets in the country and so um that being 832 01:07:37,624 --> 01:07:44,424 said, Sixth Street's, you know, like downtowns in a lot of cities, it's seen better days and it's, 833 01:07:44,424 --> 01:07:50,224 business is tough. And so we're working with him to come up with ideas to, 834 01:07:50,224 --> 01:07:56,704 to, you know, revitalize the business and differentiate him from other, 835 01:07:56,844 --> 01:08:04,584 you know, just standard bars on the street. And, um, I know Shadrach's been on PCR. He's been 836 01:08:04,584 --> 01:08:12,044 incredibly helpful and he's been engaged with the project too and um you know we're trying to 837 01:08:12,044 --> 01:08:17,664 it has the potential to be a really beautiful bitcoin and noster story because that street 838 01:08:17,664 --> 01:08:25,024 is iconic like maggie mays itself was once an iconic live music venue 839 01:08:25,024 --> 01:08:33,724 and it's since become much more of just a bar with covers and you know generic entertainment and 840 01:08:33,724 --> 01:08:53,380 of you know maybe I don know if it not tourist but you know 6th Street is is kind of tourist or college vibes And you know incorporating in a tasteful subtle way you know I always say you know bury the tech 841 01:08:53,380 --> 01:09:02,340 if you could embrace this culture and kind of stick in Bitcoin payments 842 01:09:02,340 --> 01:09:06,760 by using the payment terminals that Shadrack's working on 843 01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:11,100 and helping coach the owner on how to educate people 844 01:09:11,100 --> 01:09:18,760 on all of the ethos of our community and value for value and the music space. 845 01:09:18,860 --> 01:09:20,440 It's a huge, huge venue. 846 01:09:20,440 --> 01:09:30,480 It has multiple rooms, multiple stages, and it's not a foregone conclusion that it's going to succeed. 847 01:09:30,700 --> 01:09:35,420 But if it does and we can turn it around, he's all in. 848 01:09:35,540 --> 01:09:41,160 He's all in on this community, and it's pretty cool in the location. 849 01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:51,380 You could just stumble into Bitcoin and Noster by accident just because you're on 6th Street if we get this place humming. 850 01:09:52,580 --> 01:09:54,200 That would be incredible, Mike. 851 01:09:54,500 --> 01:10:00,200 A Noster hub, of course, Bitcoin, I mean, with Noster, there's obviously going to be Bitcoin baked in in the background. 852 01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:04,800 a Noster hub for, and essentially a headquarters for TuneStir 853 01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:09,200 in the heart of downtown Austin, 854 01:10:09,620 --> 01:10:12,260 across the street from Joe Rogan's Comedy Club. 855 01:10:12,620 --> 01:10:13,300 That'd be huge. 856 01:10:14,300 --> 01:10:14,480 Yeah. 857 01:10:14,860 --> 01:10:18,260 I mean, it's a Hail Mary. 858 01:10:18,580 --> 01:10:21,900 I'm not going to say this is, again, a foregone conclusion, 859 01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:27,920 but just to simply have an owner who makes the decisions 860 01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:36,020 and calls the shots this open and excited and motivated, I haven't seen that yet. 861 01:10:36,180 --> 01:10:43,100 So I'm doing everything I can to support him and, you know, consult him even on the operating 862 01:10:43,100 --> 01:10:47,620 side of the business of like, how do we, let's, let's just, let's write the ship. 863 01:10:47,820 --> 01:10:49,500 Let's get the, let's get the book straight. 864 01:10:49,540 --> 01:10:50,840 Let's get the finances straight. 865 01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:57,520 Let's not, you know, you're not going to get rich off of just posting on Noster right 866 01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:06,100 now but we're playing the long game let's let's put our flag in the ground let's say who we are 867 01:11:06,100 --> 01:11:10,100 why we're doing what we're doing but we really got to focus on blocking and tackling on your just 868 01:11:10,100 --> 01:11:16,040 basic food and bev business and you're you know getting people into your business so you can keep 869 01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:22,160 the lights on and then and then let's get cranking on on all the fun stuff too so i'm trying to 870 01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:22,900 balance the two. 871 01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,220 That, yeah, that would be something, Mike. 872 01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,540 You know, physical outpost, a physical embassy 873 01:11:28,540 --> 01:11:35,080 that's accessible, that's non-corporate and accessible, right? 874 01:11:35,100 --> 01:11:37,980 I think one of the risks that a lot of these physical embassies, 875 01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:42,220 Bitcoin outposts, run into is at some point 876 01:11:42,220 --> 01:11:44,040 they realize they need to start making money. 877 01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:48,120 And they open the doors to these treasury company, 878 01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,880 the, you know, financial engineering stuff. 879 01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:54,260 and they start having more and more of those types of events. 880 01:11:54,440 --> 01:11:57,480 And we don't need to name the existing physical outposts 881 01:11:57,480 --> 01:11:58,800 that are out there, 882 01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,860 but some of them tend to fall into that. 883 01:12:03,420 --> 01:12:06,320 No, you could say it's a rational financial decision. 884 01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,1000 But what happens with that is with that corporatization 885 01:12:09,1000 --> 01:12:16,360 is it loses that raw energy of a revolution, right? 886 01:12:16,380 --> 01:12:17,1000 Where people can wander in, 887 01:12:17,1000 --> 01:12:19,960 like cypherpunks can wander in 888 01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:24,080 and have conversations about all sorts of things 889 01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:25,600 and maybe make connections 890 01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,140 and start building the next big thing, 891 01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:31,040 the next instrument of the revolution. 892 01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,460 And then you can have artists and musicians. 893 01:12:34,620 --> 01:12:36,1000 I think the one place that sort of sustained this, 894 01:12:37,180 --> 01:12:38,840 the physical outpost that sustained this, 895 01:12:38,900 --> 01:12:40,840 is the Cypher Monk House in London. 896 01:12:41,380 --> 01:12:42,960 Truly fantastic place. 897 01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:46,780 I would recommend anyone who's planning a visit to London, 898 01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:49,220 who hasn't been to the Cypher Monk House, 899 01:12:49,220 --> 01:12:50,580 to go check it out. 900 01:12:50,700 --> 01:12:52,700 The location, you need to figure out where it is. 901 01:12:52,820 --> 01:12:55,260 I think that's part of the charm there. 902 01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:57,260 You need to figure out where it is and then show up there. 903 01:12:57,960 --> 01:12:58,960 And they will take you in. 904 01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:00,220 If you're a Bitcoin or you're not... 905 01:13:00,220 --> 01:13:02,020 Anyone, they'll take you in. 906 01:13:02,260 --> 01:13:04,940 And you can chat and you can learn about things. 907 01:13:05,500 --> 01:13:08,300 They have lots of events there. 908 01:13:08,420 --> 01:13:11,760 So they've maintained that cypherpunk ethos. 909 01:13:12,140 --> 01:13:14,680 Some of the other ones are losing it. 910 01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:16,360 But I think, Mike, if you're involved, 911 01:13:16,460 --> 01:13:17,540 if Shadrach is involved, 912 01:13:17,540 --> 01:13:33,180 I can rest assured that there will be a physical outpost on this side of the Atlantic that will maintain that ethos and not get corporatized like some of the others, unfortunately, have had to allow themselves to become. 913 01:13:33,180 --> 01:13:54,180 I mean, that's the problem is we get, you get the, I say, you know, you write the newest person in the community or like, you know, relatively speaking, you know, you can ride that wave of volunteer passion and adrenaline for a while, you know, and then they're like, wait a second, the numbers don't add up. 914 01:13:54,180 --> 01:13:55,200 I need to get sponsors. 915 01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:56,200 I need to do, do, do, do, do. 916 01:13:56,260 --> 01:14:02,320 And then all of a sudden, it doesn't always happen, but it can happen where it just gets diluted. 917 01:14:02,540 --> 01:14:07,360 And it just gets, you know, you miss the mark on the message or the purpose. 918 01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:15,140 Because you need to decide between passion and making a business out of it. 919 01:14:15,740 --> 01:14:22,980 And so that's where I'm hopeful that my, you know, Toonstir doesn't have to be self-supporting. 920 01:14:22,980 --> 01:14:50,580 I don't make any money. I spend quite, quite, quite the contrary. I spend quite a bit of money, um, because I think it's fun. It's important. And, um, it's the long game. It's the, it's the flag in the ground. And so having, having the ability to consult Maggie Mays on just how to run a struggling business is like, that's my day job. 921 01:14:50,580 --> 01:14:52,700 How do you make the numbers work? 922 01:14:52,860 --> 01:14:58,100 And then also having that perspective of keeping to your values 923 01:14:58,100 --> 01:15:00,940 and keeping to what you want this place to be and not losing, 924 01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:03,320 trying not to sacrifice too much. 925 01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:10,180 Does that mean, Mike, that you will be leaving the warm shores of Minneapolis 926 01:15:10,180 --> 01:15:14,160 to the even warmer shores of Austin sometime soon? 927 01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:16,960 I hope to be spending more time there, that's for sure. 928 01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:21,000 So I talk to them regularly. 929 01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:30,740 I was talking to him daily before some of the craziness in Minneapolis really spiked up after the new year. 930 01:15:30,860 --> 01:15:35,120 It's just been far more demanding on my time here in Minneapolis. 931 01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:42,940 But I was talking to him almost daily and now probably weekly. 932 01:15:42,940 --> 01:15:46,700 but there's such a good 933 01:15:46,700 --> 01:15:48,980 Bitcoin community down there 934 01:15:48,980 --> 01:15:52,740 we got him to an event at Bitcoin Park 935 01:15:52,740 --> 01:15:55,160 introduced him to the ZapRite team 936 01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:57,100 and Parker Lewis down there 937 01:15:57,100 --> 01:16:01,880 Andrew and Jack from Bitcoin Park 938 01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:03,220 and Rod, we've all been 939 01:16:03,220 --> 01:16:05,840 going back and forth on email threads 940 01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:08,400 so he's plugged into the group 941 01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:17,760 And it's just a matter of like, it's a matter that's bigger than this space right now. 942 01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:25,820 Like, what are the economics of fiat nightclubs on 6th Street right now? 943 01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:32,120 That's really what it boils down to is like, if nobody's going to 6th Street because they don't feel like it's a safe place to go out. 944 01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:38,580 and that's something that Bitcoin isn't going to fix, 945 01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:39,800 at least on his timeline. 946 01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:42,380 So we got to get through that right now. 947 01:16:43,540 --> 01:16:45,560 Yeah, for sure. 948 01:16:45,620 --> 01:16:46,600 Well, I'm rooting for you, Mike, 949 01:16:46,660 --> 01:16:48,380 and I will tell you if you're successful, 950 01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:52,340 I mean, even if it, success is never guaranteed, right? 951 01:16:52,340 --> 01:16:55,700 And it might take years for something like this to play out. 952 01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:59,580 But if that flag gets planted in the ground there, 953 01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:01,860 I will be there. 954 01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:04,980 will be there in Austin very often hanging out. 955 01:17:05,580 --> 01:17:09,280 I mean, that would be an incredibly powerful flag 956 01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:14,000 if that street gets back to its glory days, 957 01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,180 if that venue gets back to its glory days 958 01:17:16,180 --> 01:17:18,320 across the street from Rogan. 959 01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:22,840 I mean, you could go all the way down, 960 01:17:23,660 --> 01:17:25,920 you know, the pipe dream of like, 961 01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,440 okay, you know, think big, right? 962 01:17:28,620 --> 01:17:30,160 You don't even need to say it out loud. 963 01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:35,500 just the foot traffic and the exposure that you could get 964 01:17:35,500 --> 01:17:37,200 by doing something in that location. 965 01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:40,760 Pretty cool to think about. 966 01:17:41,820 --> 01:17:42,220 For sure. 967 01:17:43,420 --> 01:17:46,040 All right, Mike, let's, almost fitting, 968 01:17:46,660 --> 01:17:48,240 let's move to your next song, 969 01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,420 because I can say I knew all along that it was going to happen. 970 01:17:51,980 --> 01:17:52,540 Nice. 971 01:17:53,220 --> 01:17:56,940 The song is New All Along by Suzanne Santo. 972 01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:30,140 We'll be right back. 973 01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:41,100 I know you feel bothered and you're gonna get far, but it's gonna hurt forever being who you are. 974 01:18:42,020 --> 01:18:47,820 But you knew all along that you weren't like the other ones. 975 01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:53,500 You knew all along that half the time you have to run. 976 01:18:53,500 --> 01:18:56,200 You do all alone 977 01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:59,020 There's love beneath your star 978 01:18:59,020 --> 01:19:01,760 Maybe another level down 979 01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:05,680 From leveling up 980 01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:09,980 She said they're crowning you a queen 981 01:19:09,980 --> 01:19:12,900 Thought you're turning your back 982 01:19:12,900 --> 01:19:16,080 Do you know what I mean? 983 01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:18,640 When I say you're living in lack 984 01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:21,440 But you don't need to suffer, honey 985 01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:24,820 you can just realize 986 01:19:24,820 --> 01:19:27,900 cause you knew all along 987 01:19:27,900 --> 01:19:30,960 you weren't like the other ones 988 01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,740 you knew all along 989 01:19:33,740 --> 01:19:36,980 half the time you left to run 990 01:19:36,980 --> 01:19:39,560 you knew all along 991 01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:42,240 that luck would leave you stunned 992 01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:45,240 then you'd be another level down 993 01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:48,180 from leveling up 994 01:19:48,180 --> 01:19:50,520 leveling up 995 01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:53,420 For leveling up 996 01:19:53,420 --> 01:19:56,860 For leveling up 997 01:19:56,860 --> 01:20:26,840 guitar solo 998 01:20:26,860 --> 01:20:32,100 You would have to ride 999 01:20:32,100 --> 01:20:34,420 You knew all along 1000 01:20:34,420 --> 01:20:37,120 The luck would leave you stunned 1001 01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:40,080 Then you'd be another level down 1002 01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:43,660 Leveling down 1003 01:20:43,660 --> 01:20:47,800 You're gonna have to level up 1004 01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,860 You're gonna have to level up 1005 01:20:50,860 --> 01:20:55,100 You're gonna have to level up 1006 01:20:55,100 --> 01:20:58,300 You knew I was wrong 1007 01:21:25,100 --> 01:21:55,436 That was New All Along by Suzanne Santo Lovely song Mike Another really good brunch choice And Suzanne Santo the name is familiar I think she on Noster correct 1008 01:21:56,336 --> 01:21:56,696 Yes. 1009 01:21:57,416 --> 01:22:02,236 So she played at the Sats by Southwest 1010 01:22:02,236 --> 01:22:03,636 show with Adam Curry, 1011 01:22:03,636 --> 01:22:09,276 Boost the Grand Ball Live at Antone's Nightclub in 2024. 1012 01:22:09,276 --> 01:22:15,436 and she's into it. 1013 01:22:15,436 --> 01:22:17,316 I think she's new. 1014 01:22:17,456 --> 01:22:21,396 She also has the funny, like we're talking about with Henry, 1015 01:22:21,636 --> 01:22:25,476 where they don't quite know exactly what's going on, 1016 01:22:25,796 --> 01:22:30,016 but they're really interested and they love the engagement. 1017 01:22:30,316 --> 01:22:35,816 She posts occasionally, and this is her latest single. 1018 01:22:35,816 --> 01:22:40,096 but she was in a band called Honey Honey back in the day. 1019 01:22:41,236 --> 01:22:44,376 And I had admittedly not made that connection, 1020 01:22:44,736 --> 01:22:49,636 but Adam Curry really wanted her to play in Austin. 1021 01:22:49,876 --> 01:22:52,096 So he's friends with Suzanne, 1022 01:22:52,616 --> 01:22:56,496 and she's been a guest on the Joe Rogan podcast. 1023 01:22:57,656 --> 01:22:59,016 She's friends with Joe. 1024 01:22:59,016 --> 01:23:05,796 I believe the story is Adam met her at the opening of Rogan's club in Austin. 1025 01:23:05,816 --> 01:23:10,216 and that's when they originally met each other and have become good friends. 1026 01:23:11,296 --> 01:23:15,476 But she has several singles on Spotify that are over a million streams. 1027 01:23:16,676 --> 01:23:20,316 Honey Honey has tens of thousands of monthly listeners, 1028 01:23:20,656 --> 01:23:25,516 and her solo work is 30,000 monthly listeners on Spotify. 1029 01:23:27,376 --> 01:23:30,496 So she's active in Austin. 1030 01:23:30,536 --> 01:23:31,276 She's from Austin. 1031 01:23:31,276 --> 01:23:44,556 She's another great asset to have in the community and another one that I just, I want to see all of these people just get zapped like crazy and go tell their friends about it. 1032 01:23:44,616 --> 01:23:44,716 Right. 1033 01:23:44,736 --> 01:23:50,896 That's where the rubber hits the road as much as, you know, we can scream about how cool this technology is. 1034 01:23:51,036 --> 01:23:55,916 Like having the artists tell other artists, that's where the credibility comes from. 1035 01:23:57,096 --> 01:23:57,616 Yeah. 1036 01:23:57,616 --> 01:24:06,556 another austin connection like it's ominous um no but that's that's really cool uh that uh 1037 01:24:06,556 --> 01:24:12,296 she's uh she's on austin and she's willing to stick it through our bad ux 1038 01:24:12,296 --> 01:24:18,576 improving ux i should say yeah yeah well it's gotta it's gotta be a shout out to 1039 01:24:18,576 --> 01:24:23,596 phantom power for for really coaching her and bringing her through all of the 1040 01:24:23,596 --> 01:24:30,956 the tech because she she's into it she's just not going to study it like we do and so somebody's got 1041 01:24:30,956 --> 01:24:37,236 to really um step up and our community does that but they really they lead the way in that front 1042 01:24:37,236 --> 01:24:43,476 yeah speaking of phantom power mike uh jim jim costello is going to be the my guest on sunday 1043 01:24:43,476 --> 01:24:49,176 brunch next oh yeah love that guy he's he's awesome yeah he's so great and he's looking 1044 01:24:49,176 --> 01:24:51,316 more and more like David Lynch with each 1045 01:24:51,316 --> 01:24:53,496 passing day. I'll certainly talk to him 1046 01:24:53,496 --> 01:24:54,256 about that. 1047 01:24:55,316 --> 01:24:57,396 But you know Mike, I want to go back to something you just 1048 01:24:57,396 --> 01:24:57,776 said. 1049 01:24:59,696 --> 01:25:00,176 With 1050 01:25:00,176 --> 01:25:02,716 Suzanne Santo, with 1051 01:25:02,716 --> 01:25:04,436 I think 1052 01:25:04,436 --> 01:25:06,876 what was it, Henry Invisible, right? 1053 01:25:06,956 --> 01:25:08,616 Saying primal instead of Noster. 1054 01:25:09,996 --> 01:25:11,016 I don't think 1055 01:25:11,016 --> 01:25:13,256 that shouldn't matter. 1056 01:25:13,536 --> 01:25:15,156 I get it, right? For us who are 1057 01:25:15,156 --> 01:25:16,196 so deep in the weeds, 1058 01:25:16,196 --> 01:25:19,256 these distinctions make a difference 1059 01:25:19,256 --> 01:25:21,616 I think things need to be so easy 1060 01:25:21,616 --> 01:25:22,916 that it's almost irrelevant 1061 01:25:22,916 --> 01:25:24,436 it all should be buried 1062 01:25:24,436 --> 01:25:26,196 yeah, completely buried 1063 01:25:26,196 --> 01:25:29,156 musicians here because this is a place for them 1064 01:25:29,156 --> 01:25:30,496 to connect with their audience 1065 01:25:30,496 --> 01:25:32,676 directly 1066 01:25:32,676 --> 01:25:34,616 without any intermediaries 1067 01:25:34,616 --> 01:25:37,416 share their music and then get feedback 1068 01:25:37,416 --> 01:25:38,456 build that community 1069 01:25:38,456 --> 01:25:40,896 which they wouldn't be able to do anywhere else 1070 01:25:40,896 --> 01:25:41,936 so whether it's primal 1071 01:25:41,936 --> 01:25:45,096 none of that stuff should matter 1072 01:25:45,096 --> 01:25:55,216 yeah i think that is a bit of a blind spot in our in our community of like the technology is this 1073 01:25:55,216 --> 01:26:01,076 is the main show right for us for you know i'm speaking for the people who are probably on the 1074 01:26:01,076 --> 01:26:06,636 live stream because i don't think i don't think i have a plethora of indie musicians tuning in to 1075 01:26:06,636 --> 01:26:16,616 this but hey come on man hopefully yeah i mean i hope so but you know we we see the potential of 1076 01:26:16,616 --> 01:26:23,136 all the tech and are so excited for it and that's great and that's important but if you if you put 1077 01:26:23,136 --> 01:26:30,956 yourself in the shoes of the musician even me as like the cfo of a music company i mean i get pitched 1078 01:26:30,956 --> 01:26:36,156 all the time on the latest piece of crap that's going to change the world. 1079 01:26:36,156 --> 01:26:42,956 And I just watch these music tech startups come in and fail and promise the world and 1080 01:26:42,956 --> 01:26:43,436 under deliver. 1081 01:26:44,136 --> 01:26:54,156 And so we need to know what we look and sound like and just how it's not going to be... 1082 01:26:55,596 --> 01:26:57,616 It's like Bitcoiners. 1083 01:26:57,656 --> 01:26:58,896 We say don't trust Verify. 1084 01:26:59,056 --> 01:27:00,176 Well, that's kind of what they're doing. 1085 01:27:00,956 --> 01:27:01,636 Yeah. 1086 01:27:04,456 --> 01:27:07,356 So, Mike, we've played your list. 1087 01:27:07,716 --> 01:27:12,596 As with other episodes, I have a song of my own. 1088 01:27:13,116 --> 01:27:19,276 And given your pleasant brunch playlist, Mike, this is going to be a bit of a detour. 1089 01:27:19,676 --> 01:27:20,296 Yeah, bring it. 1090 01:27:21,176 --> 01:27:25,416 Sometimes you're sitting at brunch and you have the pancakes. 1091 01:27:25,816 --> 01:27:30,316 You're feeling a little sleepy and you need a double shot of espresso to wake you up. 1092 01:27:30,316 --> 01:27:33,896 I'm not saying this brunch, but there are certain brunches where that happens. 1093 01:27:34,536 --> 01:27:36,276 So this band is called Dirt Moon. 1094 01:27:36,656 --> 01:27:44,816 And they have this gritty, fuzzy desert rock sound that feels like driving an old muscle car down a dusty road. 1095 01:27:45,016 --> 01:27:45,936 That's what it feels like. 1096 01:27:46,176 --> 01:27:46,556 Love it. 1097 01:27:46,556 --> 01:27:48,696 And the track is called Palanopsia. 1098 01:27:49,696 --> 01:27:56,656 And that's actually a medical term for when you see a visual trail after an image has moved away, like a ghost image. 1099 01:27:56,656 --> 01:28:00,436 and trust me, this riff is going to stick in your brain 1100 01:28:00,436 --> 01:28:01,896 just like that. 1101 01:28:02,016 --> 01:28:03,496 So let's clear the cobwebs. 1102 01:28:04,216 --> 01:28:07,076 Here is Dirt Moon. 1103 01:28:26,656 --> 01:28:35,896 On the love we take 1104 01:28:35,896 --> 01:28:42,656 We blame on vultures and snakes 1105 01:28:42,656 --> 01:28:49,196 Revenge was all we had 1106 01:28:49,196 --> 01:28:52,796 When we were animals 1107 01:28:52,796 --> 01:29:00,036 When we were at a ball 1108 01:29:22,796 --> 01:29:28,636 Smaller than before 1109 01:29:28,636 --> 01:29:32,156 This car can't persist 1110 01:29:32,156 --> 01:29:41,916 I see and I feel 1111 01:29:41,916 --> 01:29:45,596 Things that can't exist 1112 01:29:45,596 --> 01:29:55,296 Smaller than before 1113 01:29:55,296 --> 01:29:58,856 This talk can persist 1114 01:29:58,856 --> 01:30:08,636 I see and I feel 1115 01:30:08,636 --> 01:30:13,776 I know it's true 1116 01:30:13,776 --> 01:30:17,776 That if I do this I'm lost forever 1117 01:30:17,776 --> 01:30:20,776 And change will destroy my frame 1118 01:30:20,776 --> 01:30:23,776 My heart and fists tethered together 1119 01:30:23,776 --> 01:30:29,776 No start to one or end to none 1120 01:30:29,776 --> 01:30:38,776 This palinopsy I will swallow you whole 1121 01:30:38,776 --> 01:30:45,576 Smaller than before this talk can persist 1122 01:30:45,576 --> 01:30:58,936 I see and feel things that can't exist 1123 01:30:58,936 --> 01:31:08,616 Smaller than before 1124 01:31:08,616 --> 01:31:12,256 This corn can persist 1125 01:31:12,256 --> 01:31:23,056 I see anger fail 1126 01:31:28,936 --> 01:31:38,936 Hey, hey, hey 1127 01:31:38,936 --> 01:31:44,936 Hey, hey, hey 1128 01:31:44,936 --> 01:31:48,936 Hey, hey, hey 1129 01:31:48,936 --> 01:31:54,936 Smaller than before 1130 01:31:54,936 --> 01:31:58,896 This calm can't persist 1131 01:31:58,896 --> 01:32:12,336 I see and feel things that can't exist 1132 01:32:12,336 --> 01:32:21,876 Smaller than before 1133 01:32:21,876 --> 01:32:24,636 This concave process 1134 01:32:24,636 --> 01:32:35,576 I'll say in the field 1135 01:32:35,576 --> 01:32:42,316 I know it's not real 1136 01:32:42,316 --> 01:32:51,716 That was Palenopsia by Dirt Moon. 1137 01:32:51,996 --> 01:32:53,296 I love that guitar tone. 1138 01:32:53,476 --> 01:32:54,696 It's thick, it's fuzzy, 1139 01:32:55,156 --> 01:32:58,836 and it's got just enough attitude to shake up the timeline. 1140 01:32:58,836 --> 01:33:04,416 I know a little heavier than what you would expect for Sunday brunch, 1141 01:33:04,656 --> 01:33:08,436 but I think Dirt Moon fits the aesthetic perfectly for me. 1142 01:33:09,076 --> 01:33:09,796 It's not aggressive. 1143 01:33:10,356 --> 01:33:12,096 Yeah, it just feels grounded, right? 1144 01:33:12,096 --> 01:33:13,736 It feels analog. It feels human. 1145 01:33:15,756 --> 01:33:21,376 I just noticed we're heading from the negative to the positive temps here. 1146 01:33:21,556 --> 01:33:25,156 So maybe I'm going to be inspired to go out for a run now after that charge. 1147 01:33:27,116 --> 01:33:27,956 Yeah, it is. 1148 01:33:29,116 --> 01:33:34,236 You know, the one good thing about being in and I'm in the negatives, Mike. 1149 01:33:34,296 --> 01:33:38,476 I'm getting hammered by the storm out here in the mountains, upstate New York. 1150 01:33:38,476 --> 01:33:43,236 and I think we're expecting 18 to 20 inches of snow. 1151 01:33:44,056 --> 01:33:46,836 And it's a little below zero right now. 1152 01:33:47,156 --> 01:33:51,156 But the good thing with zero or negative 10 weather, 1153 01:33:51,696 --> 01:33:53,756 it makes you appreciate 10 degree weather. 1154 01:33:54,656 --> 01:33:55,216 Yeah. 1155 01:33:55,876 --> 01:33:57,996 When it gets to 10 degrees, there's nothing like it. 1156 01:33:58,436 --> 01:34:02,296 We were double digit negatives the last two days 1157 01:34:02,296 --> 01:34:04,716 and if it gets positive, I'm going for a run. 1158 01:34:04,716 --> 01:34:05,596 It's decided. 1159 01:34:07,756 --> 01:34:08,276 Yeah. 1160 01:34:08,476 --> 01:34:11,376 I just want to remind folks 1161 01:34:11,376 --> 01:34:13,576 that I've got 90% boost set up 1162 01:34:13,576 --> 01:34:15,096 for this song, Palinopsia 1163 01:34:15,096 --> 01:34:17,596 but also all the other songs we've played 1164 01:34:17,596 --> 01:34:19,996 so make sure you support 1165 01:34:19,996 --> 01:34:21,096 these amazing artists 1166 01:34:21,096 --> 01:34:22,736 with your sats 1167 01:34:22,736 --> 01:34:25,456 Mike, anything else you want to talk about? 1168 01:34:25,636 --> 01:34:25,956 like what's 1169 01:34:25,956 --> 01:34:28,436 any updates on TuneStar? 1170 01:34:29,296 --> 01:34:30,716 anything more on Austin? 1171 01:34:34,256 --> 01:34:35,596 how about Serbia? 1172 01:34:36,856 --> 01:34:37,936 that's great 1173 01:34:37,936 --> 01:34:40,176 Why don't we talk about Serbia? 1174 01:34:40,296 --> 01:34:44,236 I mentioned it on a Pleb Chain Radio episode in passing. 1175 01:34:45,156 --> 01:34:50,136 But I'll set it up, Mike, and then you can give your view on it. 1176 01:34:50,716 --> 01:35:03,772 So Mike myself a few others Roger 9000 is part of it our friends Edo and Thunder from Bitcoiners from Serbia Aaron of Essex 1177 01:35:03,992 --> 01:35:08,452 Aaron of Essex and then Lahav from Scardust. 1178 01:35:09,292 --> 01:35:17,372 We are setting up a concert, a Valley for Valley Music Fest in Belgrade. 1179 01:35:17,732 --> 01:35:20,912 Is it the 18th of June, Mike, or is it the 19th of June? 1180 01:35:20,912 --> 01:35:23,912 Friday is the 18th 1181 01:35:25,532 --> 01:35:26,532 that's the concert 1182 01:35:26,532 --> 01:35:27,752 or no sorry 1183 01:35:27,752 --> 01:35:29,172 the 19th I think 1184 01:35:29,172 --> 01:35:31,452 yeah so it's that 1185 01:35:31,452 --> 01:35:33,232 Friday and Saturday 1186 01:35:33,232 --> 01:35:34,392 of that week 1187 01:35:34,392 --> 01:35:35,432 the 18th and 19th 1188 01:35:35,432 --> 01:35:36,472 and I'll get the dates right 1189 01:35:36,472 --> 01:35:38,012 I'll put those in the show notes 1190 01:35:38,012 --> 01:35:40,192 it's the week 1191 01:35:40,192 --> 01:35:41,772 right after BTC Prague 1192 01:35:41,772 --> 01:35:43,372 the first day is going to be 1193 01:35:43,372 --> 01:35:44,532 mostly 1194 01:35:44,532 --> 01:35:46,272 Valley for Valley music 1195 01:35:46,272 --> 01:35:46,812 it's some 1196 01:35:46,812 --> 01:35:48,772 some non-independent artists 1197 01:35:48,772 --> 01:35:49,512 like Skardust 1198 01:35:49,512 --> 01:35:50,552 playing as well 1199 01:35:50,552 --> 01:35:53,292 In fact, Sky Dust is going to be the headliner there. 1200 01:35:53,292 --> 01:35:59,792 And a few other big acts and then some of our beloved Valley Field Valley musicians, 1201 01:36:00,032 --> 01:36:02,572 especially from that side of the pond, will be there. 1202 01:36:02,952 --> 01:36:08,652 And then the next day, a few relevant conversations on that. 1203 01:36:08,752 --> 01:36:12,332 So mark your calendars for the 18th and 19th of June, I think. 1204 01:36:12,812 --> 01:36:16,332 It's one of those Friday and Saturday of that week. 1205 01:36:17,072 --> 01:36:19,512 Yeah, Mike, you've been deep in this as well. 1206 01:36:20,552 --> 01:36:21,752 You excited? 1207 01:36:22,572 --> 01:36:23,592 Well, very much so. 1208 01:36:23,812 --> 01:36:32,372 And for those of you who are going to be over in Europe for BTC Prague or the Bitcoin Film Festival in Poland, 1209 01:36:32,972 --> 01:36:37,532 I mean, just go ahead and extend your trip because this is going to be worth it. 1210 01:36:37,852 --> 01:36:38,712 I'm pretty excited. 1211 01:36:40,472 --> 01:36:42,612 The venue is right on the Danube. 1212 01:36:42,832 --> 01:36:46,692 It's like a floating nightclub. 1213 01:36:46,792 --> 01:36:47,972 It's a really cool spot. 1214 01:36:48,812 --> 01:36:50,252 The name is Zappa. 1215 01:36:50,252 --> 01:36:55,972 So there you go, right on brand with Noster and Zappa music. 1216 01:36:58,612 --> 01:37:02,272 And it's just an awesome team to be working with over there. 1217 01:37:02,592 --> 01:37:12,872 And Avi and having Aaron, you know, Avi, I love what you're doing with bringing all sides of, 1218 01:37:12,872 --> 01:37:23,292 Even using the word sides is stupid, but all communities of the value-for-value, independent, sovereign music, whatever we call it. 1219 01:37:23,412 --> 01:37:25,792 Open music, Mike. Open mic and open music. 1220 01:37:26,052 --> 01:37:29,892 No, that's great. We need something crisp and simple. Open music. There you go. 1221 01:37:29,892 --> 01:37:41,272 and just bringing in everybody who's working on the same problem into a into an event like what 1222 01:37:41,272 --> 01:37:49,192 what Aaron did with BitFest awesome you know it just it's I want to keep keep that momentum 1223 01:37:49,192 --> 01:37:57,132 and and this seems like it's heading in that direction we're going to have 1224 01:37:57,132 --> 01:38:02,192 some new faces, some familiar faces, some incredible support. 1225 01:38:04,492 --> 01:38:08,032 And just, it's a new, it's new turf, right? 1226 01:38:08,132 --> 01:38:12,372 It's not been done in Serbia before in this way. 1227 01:38:12,592 --> 01:38:15,192 So I'm thrilled. 1228 01:38:16,032 --> 01:38:16,312 Oh, yeah. 1229 01:38:16,412 --> 01:38:21,032 And Mike, you just blew my mind by telling me something that did not strike me at all. 1230 01:38:21,552 --> 01:38:24,572 That floating venue is called Zapa Bar. 1231 01:38:24,572 --> 01:38:30,372 And my mind is always, you know, when I hear Zappa, it's Frank Zappa, but it's Zappa. 1232 01:38:30,992 --> 01:38:32,732 It's so perfect for Nostro. 1233 01:38:32,952 --> 01:38:33,272 I know. 1234 01:38:33,352 --> 01:38:35,472 I was trying to play when we were looking for a name. 1235 01:38:35,632 --> 01:38:36,912 I was trying to play with it. 1236 01:38:38,032 --> 01:38:41,372 But also, it's like you don't want to. 1237 01:38:41,552 --> 01:38:47,392 It's kind of a metaphor of the same conversation we just had of, like, obscuring the technology. 1238 01:38:47,392 --> 01:38:53,012 And you don't want to, like, use Zappa's name to turn it into a technology reference, you know. 1239 01:38:53,012 --> 01:38:58,812 But it is like, you know, it doesn't seem coincidental to me. 1240 01:39:00,992 --> 01:39:06,772 The universe is conspiring to make this real. 1241 01:39:07,612 --> 01:39:15,852 This, by the way, Mike, I called you within – this idea was born on a drunken evening in a cigar bar in Prague. 1242 01:39:16,912 --> 01:39:17,692 I remember that. 1243 01:39:18,072 --> 01:39:18,892 You and Roger. 1244 01:39:18,892 --> 01:39:21,972 Roger, by the way, doesn't 1245 01:39:21,972 --> 01:39:24,552 he doesn't smoke and he doesn't drink at all 1246 01:39:24,552 --> 01:39:26,592 nothing, he's the cleanest 1247 01:39:26,592 --> 01:39:27,272 guy you'll meet 1248 01:39:27,272 --> 01:39:28,272 he's my man 1249 01:39:28,272 --> 01:39:32,272 of course when he hangs out with me 1250 01:39:32,272 --> 01:39:33,652 I drag him to all of these things 1251 01:39:33,652 --> 01:39:36,172 so he was patiently sitting with me as I was 1252 01:39:36,172 --> 01:39:37,792 blowing cigar smoke into his face 1253 01:39:37,792 --> 01:39:40,472 and we just came up 1254 01:39:40,472 --> 01:39:41,332 with this crazy idea 1255 01:39:41,332 --> 01:39:44,012 I must have been about 4 or 5 whiskeys down by then 1256 01:39:44,012 --> 01:39:45,772 and we said 1257 01:39:45,772 --> 01:39:47,992 we need to do a music fest, let's do it in Serbia 1258 01:39:47,992 --> 01:39:49,492 and I said, do you know any Serbians? 1259 01:39:49,572 --> 01:39:50,092 I said, yeah, I know. 1260 01:39:50,272 --> 01:39:51,792 So two of my good friends are Serbians, 1261 01:39:51,952 --> 01:39:52,612 Edo and Thunder, 1262 01:39:52,812 --> 01:39:54,152 who happened to be at BTC Prague. 1263 01:39:54,372 --> 01:39:56,132 And I messaged Edo 1264 01:39:56,132 --> 01:39:58,772 and he was three or four blocks away. 1265 01:39:58,932 --> 01:40:00,292 I mean, they're not blocks in Prague, 1266 01:40:00,412 --> 01:40:01,252 but whatever it is, 1267 01:40:01,312 --> 01:40:02,192 like three or four streets away. 1268 01:40:02,612 --> 01:40:03,972 And I said, hey, come here. 1269 01:40:04,172 --> 01:40:05,452 And so he and Thunder came 1270 01:40:05,452 --> 01:40:07,552 and then we said, 1271 01:40:07,912 --> 01:40:10,732 can you help us do this music fest in Serbia? 1272 01:40:10,952 --> 01:40:11,572 He said, yes. 1273 01:40:11,772 --> 01:40:12,872 And then I called you, Mike. 1274 01:40:13,432 --> 01:40:15,172 That's how it played out. 1275 01:40:15,172 --> 01:40:16,292 And now we're making it happen. 1276 01:40:16,292 --> 01:40:16,732 I remember it well. 1277 01:40:17,992 --> 01:40:21,352 Because you were not in Prague that year, but you will be this year. 1278 01:40:21,732 --> 01:40:27,812 I was in like a cabin in the Midwest, rural, far from Prague. 1279 01:40:28,712 --> 01:40:33,692 But actually, before we wrap up, Mike, you're doing something at BTC Prague. 1280 01:40:33,772 --> 01:40:34,652 Do you want to talk about that? 1281 01:40:36,112 --> 01:40:47,512 Well, Matthias and Derek Ross and I have been in conversation about helping coordinate and program the music over there. 1282 01:40:47,512 --> 01:40:57,452 And it's, I'm lending a hand. So it's, it's absolutely, um, Matthias and the conference 1283 01:40:57,452 --> 01:41:02,152 organizers vision. It's their, you know, they, they have made the decision they want to be, 1284 01:41:02,852 --> 01:41:09,732 um, featuring music and value for value and independent artists. Um, they're still working 1285 01:41:09,732 --> 01:41:15,892 on what direction exactly they want to take it. So I'm, I'm, I'm not going to speak on their behalf, 1286 01:41:15,892 --> 01:41:23,212 But I'm excited to go in any capacity that I haven't been to BTC Prague before. 1287 01:41:25,352 --> 01:41:26,212 I'm pumped. 1288 01:41:26,472 --> 01:41:31,032 I've been to Prague a few times, but it's been over a decade since I was there. 1289 01:41:32,412 --> 01:41:33,892 Incredible city, incredible conference. 1290 01:41:34,952 --> 01:41:37,472 Matthias and Martin, lovely, lovely people. 1291 01:41:37,672 --> 01:41:41,852 I've gotten to become good friends with them over the years just on the conference circuit. 1292 01:41:41,852 --> 01:41:45,352 In fact, I was one of the early believers in BTC Prague, 1293 01:41:45,452 --> 01:41:46,492 the very first one. 1294 01:41:46,932 --> 01:41:48,872 I remember Mathias approaching me. 1295 01:41:49,232 --> 01:41:52,232 We met at Bitcoin Amsterdam in 2022, 1296 01:41:52,592 --> 01:41:54,012 before BTC Prague was a thing. 1297 01:41:54,612 --> 01:41:55,592 And then he approached me and said, 1298 01:41:55,632 --> 01:41:57,072 hey, I'm doing a conference in Prague. 1299 01:41:57,612 --> 01:41:59,112 And I was like, who are you? Go away. 1300 01:41:59,992 --> 01:42:01,172 I don't want to go to Prague. 1301 01:42:01,552 --> 01:42:02,432 I don't know who you are. 1302 01:42:02,832 --> 01:42:05,092 I think you're trying to steal my Bitcoins. 1303 01:42:05,292 --> 01:42:08,412 But we got talking a little bit 1304 01:42:08,412 --> 01:42:11,692 and I got to become good friends with both him 1305 01:42:11,692 --> 01:42:13,252 and Martin and it was great. 1306 01:42:13,372 --> 01:42:14,832 Yeah, it should be a great event. 1307 01:42:14,912 --> 01:42:16,392 And if it's too early, that's fine, Mike. 1308 01:42:16,452 --> 01:42:19,452 We can talk about it when things materialize a little more. 1309 01:42:20,632 --> 01:42:24,092 Yeah, I just don't want to purport that it's my event, right? 1310 01:42:24,092 --> 01:42:29,012 I want to let them do the promotion 1311 01:42:29,012 --> 01:42:33,632 or at least approve the messaging. 1312 01:42:34,432 --> 01:42:39,252 But a conference of that pedigree and their reputation 1313 01:42:39,252 --> 01:42:46,232 to make the commitment and decision to dedicate time and resources 1314 01:42:46,232 --> 01:42:51,032 and space to music, I'm there for it, right? 1315 01:42:51,792 --> 01:42:52,352 Yeah. 1316 01:42:52,832 --> 01:42:54,272 It's going to be great. 1317 01:42:54,592 --> 01:42:56,092 It's crazy how fast it's coming up. 1318 01:42:56,252 --> 01:42:58,232 It's five months out. 1319 01:42:59,132 --> 01:43:00,212 It'll come fast. 1320 01:43:00,492 --> 01:43:00,692 Yeah. 1321 01:43:01,252 --> 01:43:03,172 Lots to look forward to in 2026, though. 1322 01:43:03,532 --> 01:43:03,992 Absolutely. 1323 01:43:03,992 --> 01:43:11,952 Austin might become a physical embassy, a place where we plant our flag for Bitcoin and Nostra. 1324 01:43:12,832 --> 01:43:15,032 There's Serbia happening, Prague. 1325 01:43:15,112 --> 01:43:16,392 The Film Fest is going to be great. 1326 01:43:16,672 --> 01:43:18,252 Lots to look forward to. 1327 01:43:19,052 --> 01:43:27,332 And we probably should talk about Nostra Fabrica and your support of Nostra Nights and that series. 1328 01:43:27,332 --> 01:43:32,492 It kicks off a week from tomorrow at Bitcoin Park Nashville. 1329 01:43:32,492 --> 01:43:34,652 Oh, yeah. Plug that one, Mike. 1330 01:43:34,792 --> 01:43:42,492 Yeah. So this is a much more Noster general event. 1331 01:43:43,232 --> 01:43:48,212 Derek Ross, Soapbox, Nos Fabrica, Toonster, myself. 1332 01:43:48,852 --> 01:43:56,432 We're bringing a quarterly series to the Nashville Bitcoin Park. 1333 01:43:56,432 --> 01:43:58,132 And it starts next Monday. 1334 01:43:58,132 --> 01:44:01,652 thanks to the support of Nos Fabrica 1335 01:44:01,652 --> 01:44:03,092 we're flying out 1336 01:44:03,092 --> 01:44:05,532 JB55 from 1337 01:44:05,532 --> 01:44:07,632 Damas, Will, and he's going to 1338 01:44:07,632 --> 01:44:08,292 be the 1339 01:44:08,292 --> 01:44:11,572 first guest that does a presentation 1340 01:44:11,572 --> 01:44:12,792 and we just talk about 1341 01:44:12,792 --> 01:44:15,012 all things Noster 1342 01:44:15,012 --> 01:44:17,712 whenever you 1343 01:44:17,712 --> 01:44:19,852 get me near the stage I'm going to talk about music 1344 01:44:19,852 --> 01:44:21,492 when you know it's going to be a little 1345 01:44:21,492 --> 01:44:22,652 free form 1346 01:44:22,652 --> 01:44:25,432 but obviously we're going to focus on Damas 1347 01:44:25,432 --> 01:44:25,912 and 1348 01:44:25,912 --> 01:44:31,172 and just the state of not Derek and I are going to talk about the state of 1349 01:44:31,172 --> 01:44:33,272 Noster, you know, what the community wants, 1350 01:44:33,392 --> 01:44:39,252 connecting the users to the devs and I'm pretty excited about it and thankful 1351 01:44:39,252 --> 01:44:41,792 for the support that the park has given us and, 1352 01:44:41,792 --> 01:44:46,052 and the space that they've given us to use. So we're not going to be live 1353 01:44:46,052 --> 01:44:49,412 streaming it deliberately. We want to focus on the IRL, but we are, 1354 01:44:49,412 --> 01:44:54,992 we're recording it so we can clip it and share it at a later date. But 1355 01:44:54,992 --> 01:45:02,772 So the Bitcoin Park meetup still has an RSVP link. 1356 01:45:03,272 --> 01:45:04,392 So get your tickets. 1357 01:45:04,492 --> 01:45:09,272 We're going to have a food truck and some concessions there. 1358 01:45:09,692 --> 01:45:11,192 So it's going to be great. 1359 01:45:11,492 --> 01:45:12,572 Always good to be at the park. 1360 01:45:13,792 --> 01:45:20,112 And Mike, David Strahan, my colleague at Nass Fabrica, is going to be there talking about Web of Trust as well. 1361 01:45:20,112 --> 01:45:23,112 He's, yeah, he's... 1362 01:45:23,112 --> 01:45:26,612 Maybe an opportunity there, Mike, 1363 01:45:26,652 --> 01:45:28,372 to talk about music discovery, 1364 01:45:28,892 --> 01:45:30,432 curation using Web of Trust. 1365 01:45:31,152 --> 01:45:31,712 100%. 1366 01:45:31,712 --> 01:45:32,172 Yeah. 1367 01:45:33,352 --> 01:45:34,112 Should be a good event. 1368 01:45:35,332 --> 01:45:35,712 Awesome. 1369 01:45:36,232 --> 01:45:37,712 Well, thank you, Mike. 1370 01:45:38,072 --> 01:45:39,272 This is a great conversation, 1371 01:45:39,752 --> 01:45:40,972 great choice of music. 1372 01:45:41,112 --> 01:45:42,192 I certainly feel relaxed 1373 01:45:42,192 --> 01:45:46,292 and in a very post-brunch mode after that. 1374 01:45:46,412 --> 01:45:48,652 I know my song, as they tend to be, 1375 01:45:48,652 --> 01:45:51,852 I picked Heartlight, which is symphonic metal, on the first episode. 1376 01:45:52,032 --> 01:45:54,652 And I can't remember which one I picked last week. 1377 01:45:55,452 --> 01:46:00,472 But that was, oh, I picked Steve Thorne for last week's episode. 1378 01:46:00,632 --> 01:46:03,492 And then Dirt Moon for this one. 1379 01:46:03,852 --> 01:46:09,332 So my choices, I suspect, will continue not to be particularly brunch friendly. 1380 01:46:09,852 --> 01:46:11,112 But that's what you get. 1381 01:46:11,532 --> 01:46:12,232 That's what you get. 1382 01:46:12,292 --> 01:46:13,152 So thank you, Mike. 1383 01:46:13,472 --> 01:46:16,632 And thank you to our live stream audience for listening. 1384 01:46:16,632 --> 01:46:19,652 and keeping the chat lively. 1385 01:46:19,752 --> 01:46:20,992 It was very lively. 1386 01:46:22,252 --> 01:46:24,452 And if you're listening to the recorded episode 1387 01:46:24,452 --> 01:46:27,592 and this session added a little flavor to your day, 1388 01:46:27,592 --> 01:46:30,152 if it helped you reset, relax, 1389 01:46:30,412 --> 01:46:32,852 or discover a new favorite track, 1390 01:46:33,392 --> 01:46:35,332 please consider returning the value. 1391 01:46:36,132 --> 01:46:38,332 Check your podcast app right now. 1392 01:46:38,752 --> 01:46:39,772 If you're streaming sats, 1393 01:46:40,112 --> 01:46:43,132 you just helped an independent musician get paid. 1394 01:46:43,132 --> 01:46:50,732 If you want to help keep this table open for next week, hit that boost button or subscribe on Fountain. 1395 01:46:51,392 --> 01:46:55,192 You are the producers of this vibe. 1396 01:46:55,672 --> 01:47:02,852 And speaking of producers, the final word goes to the executive producer of this episode. 1397 01:47:03,512 --> 01:47:06,112 And that's the top booster from last week. 1398 01:47:06,112 --> 01:47:14,432 If you want to claim this spot for yourself next Sunday and have your message read over the air, you know what to do. 1399 01:47:14,872 --> 01:47:16,312 Check the leaderboard. 1400 01:47:17,252 --> 01:47:24,332 This week, the EP chair belongs to Rod Palmer coming in with 21,000 sats. 1401 01:47:24,632 --> 01:47:29,812 And he says, fun podcast, bullish on Sunday brunch. 1402 01:47:30,512 --> 01:47:34,152 I agree, Rod. I am bullish on it too. 1403 01:47:34,152 --> 01:47:36,492 Until next Sunday folks 1404 01:47:36,492 --> 01:47:39,812 It's happy Monday through Saturday 1405 01:47:39,812 --> 01:47:41,012 Farewell 1406 01:48:04,152 --> 01:48:05,372 Thank you.