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Today is Friday, the 23rd of January.
It is 3.01pm on the East Coast of the United States.
At the time of recording, this is episode 147 of Plep Chain Radio,
and we have a fun one in store for you.
Tom Tabor returns to the show
a man who lives closer to the soil
than I would ever dare to.
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earlier last week, I dropped episode 3 of Finding Home.
I traveled to Asuncion, Paraguay
to track down a real-life example of what we talk about on this show.
I spent days with Jan Kotas,
A young guy who hacked the system to live strictly on his own terms.
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It is the perfect visual companion, I think,
to what Tom and I are going to discuss in a little bit.
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At the beginning of this year,
I decided to set aside a block of airtime every week
for what I was calling dissenting sats.
This is the slot where the highest value booths
that disagree with me get the microphone.
For the last two weeks, the throne was empty.
No one stepped up to challenge the narrative.
So the slot is open right now.
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Don't let me get away with being comfortable.
And that brings us to today's sermon, The Return of the Local Oracle.
We live in an age of outsourced knowing, outsourced to labels and institutions, outsourced to experts with perfect lighting,
outsourced to algorithms that tell you what to crave, what to fear, what to buy, what to believe.
The modern spell is convenience and the price is amnesia.
Because the more we outsource, the less we remember how to read reality.
We forget how to listen to the oldest dashboard we've got, the body.
We forget how to trust our own discernment,
calibrated by seasons, sunlight, sleep, community, and honest work.
We forget how to ask the simple questions that used to keep us alive.
Where did this come from?
Who made it?
What did it cost the land?
What did it cost the animal?
What did it cost the human?
And when you can't answer those questions,
you've stopped being a consumer and become someone who's being managed.
So I've been thinking about the return of the local oracle.
Not the oracle of grand predictions and cosmic hot takes,
but the kind that stands in mud, knows your name,
and tells the truth in plain language.
The oracle that hands you a relationship.
The rancher.
The butcher.
The neighbor with a garden.
the person who can look you in the eye and say
here's what this is
here's how it was raised
and here's what it took
it's the reconnection protocol
a way back to source
a way back to trust
that doesn't require a priesthood of certification
or a cathedral of corporate branding
it's sovereignty with fingerprints on it
the local oracle lives in a supply chain
you can trace with your actual life.
It's a network of people whose incentives are visible,
whose values are testable,
whose reputation travels at the speed of community.
And here's the twist.
Once you rebuild that kind of trust in food,
you start noticing where else
you've been living off secondhand reality.
You start wanting the unfiltered signal in everything,
in money, in media, in medicine, in spirit.
Because the path back is always the same.
Fewer intermediaries, more integrity.
So tonight, I want to hold that question in the center of the room.
What would change if he stopped asking distant systems for permission to know
and started rebuilding the small, local, human ways of truth?
And joining me today is my dear friend Tom Tabor, a man who I suspect has the answer to that question.
Tom, welcome back to Plep Chain Radio.
Thank you, Avi. Wow. You are just such an amazing artist and creative mind. I'm just so in awe.
Actually, I love being your friend, but if I wasn't, I'd want to figure out how to become your friend because I'm such a fan of your novel, 24.
I'm looking forward to the upcoming release of it.
And that was a stunning piece of poetry that speaks directly to what we're doing at the Beef Initiative.
The conversations the Texas Lemon are having just this morning in this pickup truck in the back 40, actually.
This is, yeah, I would say the oracle is actually being your brother's keeper.
And that's something we've been talking about, just having each other's back.
and a friend isn't a friend that says hey you're doing great even when you're not a friend is a
friend that says hey i see this is happening and you may want to take a look at this you may want
to change something about this or you may want to wake up to something that's not quite right about
what's going on in your life and man ranching has everything to do with this the there's something
i've been learning quite a bit by basically living with texas slim for months now is the cowboy code
And it's the cowboy way of looking at life, responding to life, not reacting to life, but actually treating life with great sacredness and having integrity in everything that you do.
And when you fall out of that integrity, you get called out in the cowboy circles and the real cowboy circles and the ones that are real ranchers.
If you show up as a clown and as a fool, you're going to be thrown out and cast aside very quickly.
and so there's no tolerance for bs and and and the bs that you're talking about in this media
in this fake world that with this fake society that is put upon our earth it's getting more and
more disgusting every day um and it's a psyop and it's a psyop that's that's dark it doesn't it's
not happy go lucky there's uh you're just talking about the tonality of commercials if you look at
Listen to commercials.
There's like this happy-go-lucky, almost Stepford Wives tonality to it of like, everything is great.
Please buy our product.
We are just wonderful.
And it's like, whoa, man, that shit's dark.
Real dark.
But I've been talking.
Respond to that, please.
You know, it's funny.
So my son, who you met, Tom.
Yes, who's an amazing man.
He's done, well, yes.
Well, thank you for saying that.
He is.
Amazing.
He's turning into quite a fine young man.
He had a test for his broadcasting class.
And it's one of the few good classes he has at the local state-run school.
And the assignment, believe it or not, was to watch the Truman Show.
So we all watched it together.
It's been about 20 years since I've watched it.
And it's funny how far ahead of its time that movie was.
Have you seen it?
Yes, absolutely.
It is telling the truth about where we live.
It is very much.
It's a documentary to the future or the present.
Absolutely, right?
And as you were saying that about the Stafford wives and all of that,
it just reminded me of the movie I rewatched again just a day or two ago.
But Tom, you know, you have big news.
You're talking about you joined the Beef Initiative, and we'll get into that in a second.
But, you know, I just realized, Tom, the last time we had you on the show was in January of 2024, early January.
So it's been a little over two years.
It does not feel that long.
And we haven't seen each other in person in such a long time, or your family, who I just adore.
Um, yeah, it's been a while.
Uh, I've been doing some things.
I can talk about what we've been doing though.
Uh, I live in, uh, in the mountains and it's a beautiful place and it's nice to be up there.
And then just in August of this year, there are some big changes in what I was doing and
the people I was working with and stuff.
And so I decided, you know, now's the time where I have a break in responsibilities and
obligations.
I'm going to go travel again.
I traveled for, let's see, I traveled for about a year, 17 years ago.
And I came back to the United States for just a quick check-in.
And that check-in took 17 years.
It was kind of a long, winding one.
And so this August, I kind of, I put on my travel, just loaded up a suitcase and just went kind of on world travels again.
Kind of solo, but also meeting up with friends around the world.
I'm going to Bitcoin events around the world and kind of doing a survey of what is actually going on in the world.
We hear so much on this, you know, curated feed that's put into us that, hey, there's all this death and destruction in the world.
There's all these problems. Is it really happening?
And I got to see with my own eyes where there's problems, where there's not.
But there are quite a few problems around the world.
And I was shocked and appalled like what I came across throughout Europe.
I haven't been back to Asia lately, but I've been in Central America and South America,
and there's encouraging things as well.
I would say that El Salvador is a place that's been deeply encouraging to me
and inspiring, actually, that country compared to almost every other one I went to.
So that's part of it.
And I actually haven't been home.
And since early August, I've only been home one week
and then a few days here and there sprinkled throughout that,
but mostly been on the road, pretty hardcore.
last time we spoke Tom
you lived in a place
with a lot of yurts
is that still the case?
that is still the case
and it's getting more and more magical
there in the mountains
and we have tiny houses
we have a community there
we be of service to people
healing
we have a podcast over there
that we actually have 78 episodes of
called Wide Awaken America
or Wide Awaken Babylon
I always say it wrong sometimes.
I'm a subscriber.
Right?
Yeah.
And it kind of speaks to the Babylon.
What you're speaking to in your beautiful poem opening is this Babylonian sort of dystopia, game-like, curated, psyop thing that's put upon us through social media, TV.
Even just the whole city structure is kind of part of it as well And I love to talk about that Just the sprawl of suburbs and this kind of cookie cutter non restaurants And I know you just an amazing foodie with your
wonderful Bitcoin food show, which I'm a huge fan of. How many more Taco Bells do we need?
You know, how many more? And I see it all over the world, actually. It's like,
whoa where's that like even in Italy where's the beautiful food of Italy it's like it's just carbs
some fried chicken gelato there's no real beef and I said this to a bitcoin or rather big bitcoin
he scoffed at me as if I was an idiot I was like no I just went back again and checked and was in
Venice which is a beautiful city but also in some ways it's a fiat slum it's tragically so it's all
these people have rents they have to pay and so they're selling little trinkets and the trinkets
are sometimes ten thousand dollar watches or just cheap souvenir plastic souvenirs and it's like
boy this feels like a a really dystopian carnival and then there's there's magic there there's also
it has a very dark past that's quite evident through its art and through its history i don't
know it's just there's a disappointment in that that i'd love to hear your thoughts on that because
you are deeply in this as well.
Yeah.
You know, so one of the things, Tom,
I'm just hearing you talk about all of that, right,
is, and this is one of the things I try to do
with this show and with my TV show as well,
which is try and tell the stories of people
who are building the parallel systems.
Because I think one of the things we,
one of the patterns, we as Bitconners especially, right,
the ones who've awoken from the matrix can fall into
is to dwell on the existing system and the ills of it
where we have an opportunity.
And, you know, you're at the pointy end of the spear on this,
especially now with your new role
of building these parallel systems
where we can peacefully exit, right?
We've looked around at what we have.
We never really, and I'm sure this is the case with you, Tom,
Before you found Bitcoin, this is certainly true for me.
I always had the sense of unease and not fitting in, but not really knowing why.
And then finding Bitcoin just clarified all of that for me.
I said, oh, okay, now I get it.
Now I know why I never belonged.
My question has been answered.
But we have this tool now.
We have hope, I think, which is the truest fuel, even more than the technology itself.
the hope that the technology engenders is the true fuel that allows us to first build these parallel systems and then second, exit peacefully.
Yeah, I actually, I concur with that, that the not fitting in thing has been a theme throughout my life.
And I guess I've overcome that before Bitcoin in some ways.
And after Bitcoin, there's definitely a deep relaxation of my nervous system in a way that I think life gives us.
Well, there's certainly this angst within our society that everybody's pretending as if they don't die.
That is part of this false narrative that you'll just live forever.
And it's like, oh, no, you better deal with that existential question of death at some point.
And sooner is better than later.
And part of that fear of death is, will I have enough money to continue to live comfortably,
or at least with a roof over my head for the rest of my life?
And I was just saying this in Colombia at the Medellin Bitcoin conference there.
You could have a billion dollars in fiat, and you won't know if that answer is yes or no.
Like a billion dollars today, they can debase that right out of your fingers,
and you could be homeless on the streets because you don't have real money.
And that's shocking. That's funds greed, because you don't feel like you have enough, then you're always constantly having to figure out ways to get more. And often those ways are not very aligned with morality. So you're actually finding any ways possible. But with Bitcoin, even just a small amount of Bitcoin, and that you can stash it away. And if you don't have to touch it for a while, wow, you just know you have security for the rest of your life.
And that radically changes your perspective on life, your interaction with the world around you, the people around you.
Your kindness and generosity can blossom in a way that's unbelievable.
So I think that's part of that answer there.
What else you got there?
Well, no, I think that certainly makes sense, right?
that sense of knowing that the fruits of your labor
aren't being stolen as quickly from you
as they would be in the system.
But no, I want to go back to your observations
around food and architecture as well.
Were these travels recent, Tom?
Yeah, I was just in Venice maybe a month and a half ago.
I can't quite remember exactly those details, but it's about a month and a half ago.
I was traveling with two of my friends through Venice, and that was really nice.
We stayed right on one of the canals and that sort of thing.
And talking to the man who was running the beautiful hotel, it was an older hotel.
It had been kind of run down, but they were doing what they could with it.
And I was just talking to him about, hey, what's going on in this town?
What's the deal? What's the deal with money and that sort of thing?
And as we talked, I started bringing up Bitcoin as a solution.
And he got real curious, real interested.
I mean, you don't really, I don't, I told somebody the other day, I probably tried to
orange fill a thousand or 2000 people.
And my success rate, they said, I said, guess what my success rate is?
They said, a hundred percent.
Cause I was, he perceived I was doing well.
I said, no, it's probably about eight people total.
So that's discouraging.
It's discouraging to actually even spend time.
So now when I do it, I only pick the people that I really want to perform an act of love on because that's how I see it.
When you're orange pilling or even purple pilling, you know, which I think is phenomenal as well with Noster.
And then my most recent thing is meat pilling, you know.
Let's actually meat pill people to this new idea of a food, sovereign food system as well.
Yeah.
You know, on the topic of orange pilling, it's actually something I've given up on, Tom.
I'm going to be very honest with you.
Okay.
Most people are not ready for it.
What I do think,
there are two things that actually do work, I think.
One is, just live your life, right?
Live your life as a Bitcoin.
And if people see how you're living,
they're like, by the way, why are you so happy?
How do you find a sense of meaning and purpose
in a world that's so dark and despairing?
And then maybe through that,
the conversation can begin.
But let them come to you
rather than me going to someone, right?
But there are others, like you said,
who might be on,
who show enough curiosity
or have the right pathways that are open.
And then you can give them a slight nudge
that gets them there.
But beyond that,
I found myself in a strange situation.
It was in, I was in Warsaw.
Actually, I was there for the Film Fest
a couple of years back, the Bitcoin Film Fest.
You invited me, I remember.
Yeah, and I couldn't go.
That was nice of you.
I remember that.
No, and it's a lovely event.
And I was in the hotel one of the evenings,
hotel lobby with my wife,
and we went to the bar,
and there was one of the Bitcoiners there from the conference
who had absolutely cornered some poor, hapless guy.
It was an American tourist who was passing by.
Nothing to do with the conference.
Sure, sure, sure.
and he was just telling him how he you know he didn't get it like bitcoin's a thing for him
so and and then he sees me so this bitcoin knows me and he sees me coming and says
avi tell him tell him why he's wrong why he's uh right so i looked at the guy and i saw he like
from the body language you could tell he was completely cornered and defensive right and i
said i said to him are you happy are you happy with where your life is today uh and where your
finances i say yeah man i'm a businessman i have savings i travel the world i'm happy i said well
then you don't need bitcoin you could see the guy visibly relax and at that point he got curious
yeah yeah he's like oh what do you mean i don't need it right right it's actually a very subtle
technique for uh getting people attracted is push it away and then suddenly there is some
attraction there for it. That's interesting. Yeah. No, but that's, it is interesting how that's
evolved. Well, let me, I kind of want to address this more because this is actually one of the
points I wanted to talk about today and you've just brought up in a beautiful way. That notion
of what that fellow is doing is something I've done a lot of in my past, which I call fire hosing
people with Bitcoin, which is just a cruel thing to do, as you mentioned. And as you go down the
Bitcoin path, you become more mature with it, then it often evolves into the strategy and the
attitude that you have exactly, Avi. But I think there's times when we actually do need to do it.
And what I've come across is this. And we're going to talk about the Beef Initiative and what we're
doing there. But to jump ahead just a little bit here is one of the groups that really, really
desperately needs Bitcoin, but they don't understand it, they don't know it yet, is the
independent ranchers, particularly here in America. And when they've come in contact with
the Bitcoiners, they've been really appalled by them. Like really appalled. Kind of the behavior
you're saying. It's not just the fire hosing, but it's also just this kind of a weak man that's
coming before them telling them they're wrong. And they're going, why would I ever listen to
this guy who's acting like a clown and tell him about Bitcoin? Why would I listen to him?
like this person obviously doesn't have the right answer because he would be living his life with
more integrity and it's almost always a man right like look at bitcoin look at the conferences
how much even though we have women in bitcoin a good chunk of it is men and the interesting the
good chunk of men that we have in bitcoin were it's very common that almost all of us are in
some sort of spectrum here right like that is a common thread through bitcoin something i didn't
know when I got into the beef initiative is that it's also common within the cowboy community as
well. But there's this, there's this spectrum like thing and, and the way it manifests itself in
cowboys is really with protocols, like a procedure. When you actually have a ranch and a farm,
you get up at four in the morning, you listen to the cattle report in the morning. Then you have
your chores that are set in order. There's a procedure. It's very military like in order. And
a lot of farmers and ranchers went through the military experience as well, because there's a
parallel there. And I see it in special forces because I'm deep friends with the Bitcoin veterans
and they let me come be part of them as well, even though I'm not a veteran. And you see that
same sort of protocol-like behavior. And so we've done the disservice to the ranchers by
not showing up and speaking to them with respect, with humility, and with a deep desire to actually
be of service to them because they're in desperate, desperate, dire straits. So this is the one place
where I'm making this exception that,
hey, I'm not just going to live my life
and not tell anybody.
I'm going to be targeted in who I'm telling,
why I'm telling them,
and how I'm telling them.
And that's a really big difference.
And then just bombarding waitresses at restaurants,
which we see happen,
particularly with new Bitcoiners quite a bit,
or taxi drivers.
And I don't play that game either.
I think it's too much.
Although in one case,
I'm talking a lot.
I hope you don't mind.
In one case,
I was in the beautiful country of Finland, and a lot of my Uber drivers there were from Africa.
And I came across quite a few Nigerian cab drivers.
And you talk to a Nigerian about Bitcoin, you don't fire hose them.
You just start talking.
First, you respect the place they come from.
You respect the intelligence of the Nigerian people.
I usually bring up the Nigerian email scam as an example of, hey, I know this is the thing that we Americans think of you people, but that's not what I think.
and then I quickly talk about government corruption and that sort of thing and within five minutes
I have people that are doing forex trading is their previous name said drop the forex trading
tomorrow spend two days looking into bitcoin and you'll never go back to forex trading ever again
and you'll actually help yourself out and that's the whole that's the whole orange pill right there
and it's like wow and then to follow up I uh one lady I I said send me send me your thing
download this wallet or whatever
it didn't happen I said here's my
WhatsApp send me a message and I'll send you a dollar
in Bitcoin and she hit me up like a week later
actually did and I sent her a dollar
in Bitcoin and she downloaded
the Satoshi wallet and it was like dude
that felt really good for both of us
that was actually successful
it was no high pressure thing it was just like
I really am going to send this to you and I
stood by my word with it and it felt
really cool actually
That great Were you in Finland There was a conference there There was I had gone to I missed because you for years have been trying to get me to Bitcoin Prague And I so wanted to as well
And this year, I just couldn't.
We're in the middle of a construction project.
And I couldn't go.
And I was like, all right, darn, I still want to go to Europe because I had this longing.
So as a backup, I went to Riga in Latvia.
And that was really nice.
I was there.
It was a really cool conference.
As I was there, one of the fellows came up to me and says, we're having another conference in Finland next weekend.
I was like, well, I already have plane tickets to the Czech Republic and all this stuff.
He says, no, come anyway.
I said, you know what?
I'm going to because it's first year and supporting it.
I went to it.
I actually did go to Czech Republic for a day, got flights back over to Finland for a little bit.
And then and I stayed an extra day or day and a half, actually, and then and then continued on my travels to Czech Republic.
And that was a real changer.
I met an American in Finland who was married to a Finnish wife, and we became really good friends.
And I got to know his family really well, and they live in Missouri, and I visited them.
And they're actually great Bitcoiners.
The town of Farmington, Missouri, is kind of a secret Bitcoin circular economy that nobody knows about.
But they're having a permaculture conference coming up that these Bitcoiners are putting on.
And that's really cool.
And all this was like magic that happened on the road.
And I'm so grateful for it because I have some new dear friends that I feel as close as I do to you and your family, actually.
That's amazing.
And speaking of, you mentioned the permaculture.
I don't think I know the permaculture folks from Missouri, but that entire belt starting around there and then heading into Michigan and all of that, right?
That region, Midwest and maybe a little bit into the South.
there is such an amazing bitcoin permaculture the mesh to del scene uh there i mean it honestly
puts the east coast the northeast and many other parts of the country to to shame uh the uh you
know the level of the network that they have in that part of the country i was stunned with it i
i'd been to st louis before and but i'd never found this country that it's just like two hours
south of there. And it's a magical little part of America that is, I don't want to blow it, but hey,
we're all Bitcoiners Noster folks here. This is a beautiful part of our country where it's very
family centric, very agriculturally based. People are smart there. People, I mean, I think a lot of
agricultural people get a lot of grief for not being college educated. I'm like, no, college
education is a horrible psyop and I have, I went to undergrad and grad school. So, and I'm the one
saying this, that please don't put your children through that. Do something better with them. Get
them in the trade school, get them close to land, get them farming, get them ranching. This is a
much better education and homeschool, please. Like do, do you and your family such a favor and
And, yeah, I don't know.
So that part of Missouri, I highly recommend it as a place to visit if you like family.
Where your kids can play in the street still in places like that you don't see that in big cities in America.
They're quite dangerous, scary kind of places.
And this is not that.
it's all part of the
sort of sovereign exit
the quiet exit, the homeschooling
everything you're talking about, homesteading, permaculture
that's how you step out of the system
and you do it peacefully
but Tom, let's
you've mentioned the Beef Initiative
you're part of that now, how did that happen?
you said around August
of last year you decided to travel
the world, you went to Venice
you went to South and Central
America and then the Beef Initiative happened. So what's the story there? That's a good story.
Thanks for asking. I actually met Texas Slim maybe five years ago or so and he was having his
first event was in Kerrville, Texas and those guys from Missouri they actually showed up to
the first event and that's how they got to know Slim and I was at the second event which is in
Crawford, Colorado, at a ranch who's now a great friend, Jason Rick, and it's spelled W-R-I-C-H.
So it's kind of an interesting spelling, but his ranch is called the Rick Ranch.
And he's a Bitcoiner and a first generation cattle rancher.
And it was being held there.
And it's kind of the idea was to bring together ranchers that didn't know about Bitcoin and
Bitcoiners that didn't necessarily know about ranching and get together and mash it up and
actually have conversations.
And it was genius.
I loved it. It was kind of hand of God thing that got me there. I had no plans to. A friend
from Bitcoin Magazine had sent me a message, hey, Tom, I think you'd really like this. Check it out.
I waited until the night before at midnight to buy my ticket. And in the morning, I just hopped
in my car and drove. It's like a five hour drive to get there. And it was really cool. I showed up.
I met people that became big parts of my life there and that still reverberate through my life today.
But the biggest thing was I got a vision of this.
And Slim and I have stayed in touch and been friends ever since.
And he's always like, Tom, why don't you come over and do more with us over at the Be Finishing?
And I was like, well, I have a busy, full life.
I don't really see how I can let any of that go to actually help out with this in a meaningful way.
And so I was always very resistant.
And as I went off on my travels in August, I didn't have any plan to be part of the Beef Initiative, even at that moment.
It was actually really interesting.
I just was kind of going off on this adventure.
I went to a Bitcoin event in New York City.
And right after that, I dropped in on my friend I'd just met in Finland.
I said, hey, I'll come over because he's having a farmer Bitcoin event in Farmington.
Farmington. And so I was like, I'm going to make that happen. I want to see you and your family.
This would be great. See where you live. And so I dropped on that. And sure enough, who was at the
event, but Texas Slim again. And so we reconnected and got a couple of days, even maybe more than a
couple, maybe five days to really hang out together and talk about what was going on. And I was like,
okay, this is interesting. Things have really progressed farther than when I last checked in
with you and things are going ever happened in El Salvador. And I was like, okay, this is great.
I still wasn't committed, but we had this playful banner that we still have to this day where we,
we just tickle each other with jokes that we do very serious work, but we also have a way of,
of lightening it up throughout our work because the work is actually very serious. It's very dark.
And if you don't have some levity inside of all of that, then it's going to be,
it's going to be really crushing on you. So we have that to this day.
And then I went back to my travels. I went, you know,
back to Europe and did some more things there.
And then it came around where there was a adopting Bitcoin was happening in
El Salvador. And Steve Williams has been just right by,
by a slim side for quite a couple of years now,
really helping out a genius man at cattle breeding, cattle genetics,
feeding systems for cattle and has just been a great supporter of slim he invited me to come to
el salvador and stay in the airbnb with him in slim and i was like okay well that's interesting
let's do that and so i said i said sure so let me know how much it is and he put me on the thing
they got the airbnb and when i landed there we spent about 10 days together and it became like
this intense man camp of ideas and strategy and where we can take what was it really going because
I was like, what's really going on? What is the whole point of this beef initiative?
Because it seems much deeper than what I'm understanding. And it was, it actually was
much deeper than what I thought it was. And I didn't really truly understand it till that trip.
I was like, wow, Slim, holy mackerel. This is actually what I've been looking for. I've been
looking for my spot in Bitcoin. And this probably goes to your first question. What have I been doing
for two years? In some ways I've been hiding out from Bitcoin because I didn't know where I fit in.
And I almost launched a podcast and it didn't feel right.
I think Walker's podcast is amazing.
He's a good friend as well.
And I was just on his podcast two days ago.
And he does a phenomenal job.
He does the job I'd want to do if I could do it.
But boy, he has the energy that's unbelievable.
So I didn't want to be that.
I didn't want to work for a company.
That didn't seem right.
But I kind of want to...
My big thing is fighting tyranny.
fighting tyranny and raising consciousness have always been like the two things that are my bedrock
of what I want to do in my life and that trip hanging out with Steve and Slim is when I actually
saw the beef initiative was more than just selling beef boxes to bitcoiners it was way more than it
was actually a whole thing designed to to go and actually peacefully take down tyranny because we
have Bitcoin that can take down tyranny. We have this asymmetric tool of Bitcoin, which is phenomenal.
But if that tool is not used on a purposeful way on the ground, actually doing real work that
actually changes the built world around us, then we're just hodling and waiting for the world to
fall apart so that we can be the rich ones. That seems really awful. That seems really foolish.
And with the Beef Initiative, I saw the thing I wanted most, which is how do we actually bring
down tyrants and raise up the people and actually build sovereignty for all and peace for all.
So Tom, let's actually dig into that. Yeah. Because clearly there's two levels to the
beef initiative. One is the superficial level of understanding, which is, like you said,
shipping boxes of beef to Bitcoiners. And then there's this second layer, this depth that you
found yourself attracted to which is why you made the move there so maybe let's unpack both of those
yeah at the surface what is the beef initiative
the beef initiative is actually very multi-layered it's very complex it's confusing
not necessarily on purpose but it just is because it hasn't had this um it's had a centralized
founder, Texas Slim is definitely, he's a research analyst. He looks like a cowboy and is a cowboy.
He's from Amarillo or near Amarillo, Texas, and he's right from the heart of the ranching world
and knows it deeply and well. But what's not so obvious about Texas Slim is that he's a data
analyst. He actually left his hometown when he was young, when he was college age, went to Austin,
Texas and got deep into the, the, the net, what was happening in high tech at that time,
he got into that basically. He found, landed himself into, he actually got an education from
the University of Texas education system, not by enrolling, but actually just sneaking into
classes and taking the classes he wanted to take and getting the education for free and working
bars at night and uh and actually getting that and becoming so good at that that him and his
friends became hackers that got hired by really smart businessmen that were doing profound things
with technology and got into kind of the prodigy era and working with that prodigy sort of uh
technology that was happening in the the 90s mid 90s and understood what was happening at the
society, the society we're talking, your poem at the beginning is talking to this, what is this,
this game, this Truman show that we're living in. And he was understanding that, but also being
asked to be part of it. And at some point he said, this disgusts me and I'm walking away.
And he did. Um, so he's kind of been the foundation of it for the last seven years.
He's been driving around in pickup trucks. He's gone through several of them all over the country,
collecting data about how this Truman Show actually works, what's driving it, what is the
impetus of it, what is the, why do you desire what you desire? He says this quite often, and
it's an interesting question for each of us to actually look into. Why do I desire what I desire?
Is it my own desire, or has it been programmed into me by this Truman Show?
So the Beef Initiative is, at first, when I first joined it, it was getting ranchers and
Bitcoiners together, it developed into how can we actually change the world through beef?
And that's been a long play, a long game, and it hasn't been well understood.
Maybe kind of on purpose, because Slim's not going to give you easy answers. He's going to
question, he's going to challenge you if you really want to know, here's a tease, go down
this rabbit hole. If you're willing to go down that rabbit hole, then come back to me and I'll
give you another rabbit hole to go down and there's a lot of rabbit holes those before we go
down those rabbit holes tom yeah again for folks who are listening who only have a passing familiarity
with the reef initiative right right so initially the idea was there all of these ranchers independent
ranchers who didn't want to be part of the big meat sort of supply chain and all the nonsense that
actually it's more than nonsense right the insidious insidious absolutely nefarious
and nefarious stuff
that's part of all
and we should probably
even talk about
what that actually entails but it these people who didn want to be part of the system these ranchers And they formed a loose network in which people could order boxes of I guess regenerative meat
All of them were regenerative ranchers.
Presumably grass-fed, grass-finished type of high-quality beef.
And they shipped these boxes of frozen meat to different parts of the country.
and correct me if I'm wrong, Tom,
people could pay in Bitcoin to get these boxes?
Yes, that part's right.
Actually, today, part of the beef initiative is called beefmaps.com
where you can actually go and find those ranchers that are local to you
or even across the country.
Just find who's attracted to you.
Just to say this grass-fed, grass-finished is kind of a sigh-up as well, by the way.
It's put on a lot of labels and pounds of beef in the supermarket
and it's not true and it's not real.
The mislabeling of meat is rampant.
Even if it says American, it's often not.
So, yeah, everybody thinks that they're buying the good stuff
by getting this grass-fed, grass-finished.
You're being psyoped, and that may be a reason to come to Beef Initiative
to actually find out why that is the case
because it's a big rabbit hole too.
But that's not to say grass-fed, grass-finished isn't the best kind of beef, right Tom?
It's not saying it's the best kind.
And actually, there's a lot to it, but I don't want to go down that one right now because we have so much to cover.
Okay.
Let's keep it a little bit more focused because I could easily be distracted down that one.
But I'll say this.
It's something to research, and we have a lot of content on the Beef Initiative Twitter handle that can educate people on that as well.
I would say this that it the beef initiative it is doing that it's connecting you know consumers
to ranchers that sort of thing but it was always moving in a direction that was bigger than that
and it wasn't obvious that was the case but just two days ago we could finally announce the big
move that we've been looking that slim has been working on for years and it's a major coup it's
It's a major asymmetric tool for freedom.
And that was that Texas Slim himself, the person, was able to acquire by himself the domain name Beef.com.
And that's a big deal.
If folks don't know about domain names, you can go out to any domain name company that slings those, and you can buy, you know, mybestbitcoinbeef.com for $12.
No problem.
The longer the domain name is, the less valuable it is.
The more words it has included in it, the less it is.
If they're not English words, it's not worth anything.
So if you have shortenglishwords.com, then it's an incredibly valuable piece of property.
And an example is Michael Saylor.
He has hope.com.
And he doesn't use it to make money.
He uses it to promote Bitcoin.
It's not even .com.
He uses .org in ways, but he knows that .com is more valuable.
So he puts that out there as kind of his front end of teaching about Bitcoin.
Bitcoin.beef has big implications, but I'll pause for a moment so you can steer me here.
No, no, that is a big deal, right?
And beef.com, I've got to imagine, had all sorts of competition.
All sorts of people tried to get their hands on that domain.
Yes.
Yes is a short answer.
There's a longer answer to that, but yes.
No, no, go. So what is the long answer? Because I can only imagine these large meat, industrial meat companies trying to get their hands on that.
You're exactly right. 85% of the meat in America is controlled by four companies. And you can imagine that level of centralization, they're as benevolent as Walmart is, as Amazon is. They're fierce. They're driving quality to the lowest possible levels to maximize the highest amount of profit.
and they were definitely after it.
There was people in the Middle East
with deep, deep reservoirs of capital that were after it.
It was a battle for years,
but for Texas Limit, it was about an 18-month battle.
And at the beginning, he went for it
and then the deal wasn't good.
He walked away from it, actually.
And the owners, I don't know who the owners were
and I don't want to, actually,
but they were good people.
They are good people
because they wanted to go in the hands of a good player,
and they saw that in Texas Slim.
And so they were patient and waited until the deal could be done
and it could actually be transferred to Texas Slim.
That was the most amazing thing possible,
and it was all based on trust, integrity,
and what the intent of using Beef.com was.
And so their belief in the Beef Initiative in Texas Slim
was a huge factor in all of that.
so is the goal then that uh this beef.com becomes the front end um to for education
it's way more than that that is way more than education it's um
i think the best way to say it is
we're talking about the truman show and how we're up against it digitally in so so many ways
this is a digital ranch that has a firewall protection around it that when people interact
with beef.com we will protect your data it will not be sourced out and used against you as a weapon
that transactions can occur here that of many different natures it's not just
ranchers independent ranchers to consumers but it's actually trading everything that's necessary
as capital inside of the ranching world can be traded on this, not just beef.
And that's a big thing.
So we actually have a marketplace that's not controlled.
The data attributes of that transactions are not controlled by the state or the big four
or those people that can create the Truman Show.
It's actually held within our own firewalls, within and protected,
and that we build a whole new index, a whole new database,
a whole new exchange that is fair, open, that can actually help ranchers and save ranchers.
Right now, when you take your cattle to the processing center to be taken from living animals to processed and packaged meat,
they don't get a choice about what price they pay.
They get the price the big boys tell them they get.
Hey, you come up here, it's very cartellish, we'll say, in nature.
And it's dangerous to say such things.
But that's the reality of the world.
And we're giving them a place that, hey, come to this new ranch, this new digital ranch,
and we can actually exchange in a fair way without manipulation, without a lot of the government programs.
Or another huge problem that you can't be a rancher these days, not easily, without taking government money.
And when you take government money, it comes with government obligations about how you do it,
the seeds you use, the fertilizers you use, how you apply those.
And it's not regenerative in nature at all.
There's some positive things.
Our new ag secretary, Brooke Rollins, that we have $700 million that are dedicated to regenerative ranching.
But you know what?
Do you believe that's going to be really done the right way?
I'm not so positive it is.
I hope it is.
And I hope that the Beef Initiative can be a big part of that because we're here to be honest players in actually having ranchers do regenerative ranching.
and not have it as a whitewash, a greenwash, whatever, a meatwash.
We don't want that.
We want the truth to be on the ground,
to actually rebuild soil in a truly regenerative way
using cattle as the best land tools that can be used to do that.
So when you talk about building a marketplace,
is that a consumer-facing marketplace
where consumers can directly source this regenerative beef?
it's both it can be b2c business to consumer it can also be b2b and that's probably the more
interesting side of it is the b2b um one of the huge problems that are in that's inside the ranching
industry is that um and this is the capture if you will that when you raise your cattle you have
to take it to a processing plant and which processing plants are available well it's a lot
of Walmarts and processing plants, the big boys, the big four are the ones, and that's where they
give you the price you get just like at Walmart. But what we've lost is the independent small
processing centers. It used to be in every Texas county, there was a small processing center.
And I grew up in Texas. It's a beautiful place, beautiful little small towns with the county seats
in the middle of the square.
And what changed was those were driven out Walmart-style
by the big boys coming in, and the little guys couldn't compete,
so their little processing plants have been shut down.
One of the goals of the Beef Initiative and Beef.com is,
hey, we're going to give a chance again to rebuild these small microprocessing centers,
and then suddenly everybody has a say as to how we do it,
why we do it, and at what price we do it.
and that's transformative, the thing that's missing,
the thing that's really important that Bitcoiners need to hear
is that there's only three places that this liquidity can come from.
They can either get it from the government,
and when the government comes in, the big boys are in charge
because they write the rules of the USDA.
They can also go to the local banker and beg,
hey, can you give us some money?
But if it's not a profitable business, they're not going to do it.
And the third one that's untapped, but the reason I'm talking to you today,
Avi, and I'm going to be on a lot more podcast in the Bitcoin space,
is that Bitcoiners have capital and they can utilize and deploy that capital to actually make a difference in this world.
And this is one of the places where a small microprocessing center, it may seem expensive to a rancher.
It's two, two and a half, three million dollars.
But to some Bitcoiners, that's nothing.
And doing something like that, even collectively, coming together in a crowdsource sort of way,
we can transform and secure our food systems in America and save the ranchers.
We're losing 47 ranches a day in America.
The suicide rate of ranches is higher than veterans right now because they're losing their family's farm.
And it's devastating.
And there's nothing they can do about it because of the fiat system and because of the trapped Truman Show they're in.
No, absolutely.
And, you know, this is actually Bitcoin as a source of capital, as the modern day Medici in some sense, is a recurring theme on the show, Tom.
whether you're talking to artists, whether you're talking to people
who are trying to break out of other industries as well
as you and Slim are doing with the Beef Initiative.
But would that, so this source of capital,
would that be treated as an investment or as patronage?
No, as an investment for sure.
This is, and the sooner it's done,
the higher that the return on that investment is
because these are early days.
We own what you just mentioned.
Beef.com is a very highly profitable or very valuable domain.
if you would want to help bring this liquidity then you're an early investor in a very lucrative
it's hey it's amazon.com early days and is this thing supposed to be a money maker that's not the
intent or the design of it but it will be because it will be the amazon of beef trading that's
outside of the system it finally gives a safe haven for ranchers and the ranchers are going
to bring capital as well but my invitation is to bitcoiners because i'm a bitcoiner you're a
Bitcoiner and I speak Bitcoiner language. And Slim, he's a Bitcoiner, understands it, but he
doesn't speak the language in the same way that you and I do. And so I'm really the voice, I'm the
director of executive outreach for the Beef Initiative. But what that really means is I'm
the Bitcoiner that talks to Bitcoiners and I'm the Bitcoiner that talks to ranchers and I'm the
Bitcoiner that talks to high net value individuals and to anybody really, because, you know, I'm fine
with that, but I'm really here to say, hey, we have an opportunity as an investment to do something
productive and one notion is save the money save the world i think there's a middle step that we're
missing there which is save the money change change the money change the world is change the money
do something useful with that capital and then we can actually save the world so right and it's great
that that's a running theme in here the the medicis this it's an interesting thing what they
did but it's also when you go to venice it's also really dark as to what happened in those times too
and we don't need that we don't need that darkness and and we should be working as bitcoiners to drive
out that darkness and i'm not asking bitcoiners to sell bitcoin either um that's not part of this
pitch if you will it's really we have banking partners and we have loan people that are
better than what's out there on the retail market of loans that can utilize your bitcoin in a way
that's a much better thing.
I can do testimony to that.
And I'm happy to talk to Bitcoiners
that are interested in doing this
and giving the details one-to-one in private.
But there is an opportunity there
to deploy without actually selling your Bitcoin.
So, Amy, anyone listening to the show,
if you need to reach out to Tom,
you can find him on Nostra.
You can obviously reach out to me
and I can connect you to Tom.
as well.
interested in participating in this revolution, honestly, Tom, what you're building.
But, you know, you're talking about a marketplace.
I'm guessing that means it's a nationwide marketplace, right?
It's not going to be localized to one state.
It'll be regenerative branches trying to step out of the system all over the country.
Nope, it will not be.
It will be global in nature.
Oh, global, even more so.
Okay.
I think so that makes actually my question even more interesting, which is how does quality assure?
I mean, ultimately, we can't have this on a trust me bro basis.
No, we cannot.
So how do you, you're running the marketplace and you have ranches from Australia, Uruguay, Paraguay, wherever,
reaching out to you saying, we want to use this. How do you know that they're telling the truth?
Right, right. And it's a tricky problem. The actual investment will be shares and the details
of how those shares are actually distributed and secured. We're not revealing that right now,
but if we're having talks with serious investors, we can reveal more about that then.
So it's something we need to keep close to the chest at this moment because
we are under high scrutiny right now.
So we can't reveal that right now.
But again, there is no trust me bro here
because I would not be involved in this
if it was a trust me bro pump and dump scam.
I wouldn't put my reputation and my life on the line for this.
One thing I'd throw out there, Tom,
is Nostra is actually really good for this, right?
You have people with NPubs, right?
a key pair essentially, a cryptographic key pair
that their reputation is tied to.
And there are people building marketplaces on Nostra,
not for beef, obviously, but for other things.
And it will use the reputation system
that comes out of Nostra by default, right?
Because it is the same key pair that you use
not just to post on Primal,
but to buy something on the Nostra marketplace app.
or to listen to a podcast and support it on Fountain, right?
And so on and so forth.
Your reputation is tied to that key pair.
It might be an interesting thing to consider a Nostra integration.
I don't know if you've thought about that, Tom,
but there are a lot of tools within the Nostra ecosystem,
such as Web of Trust,
that are really well suited for solving these slightly gnarly problems, right?
The Trust Me Bro problem, which is what Fiat is, right?
How fiat solved the trust me role problem is by saying, no, if you don't trust me, I'm going to kill you or something, or you're out, right?
Whereas here, you can have people verify the reputations of their counterparties just by the behavior that's tied to their keeper.
Fortunately, you're preaching to the choir here, Avi, that Nostra is a huge part of our strategy already.
And we haven't revealed that because we've just revealed that we have beef.com.
So this is an unveiling over time as to exactly what our plan is.
It's not just using NOSR.
It's not just using keys, but also a secure, private, international communication system that's physically untied from the Internet.
That actually has a way to communicate around the world in a trusted way, definitely using NOSR technology as part of that.
And at all levels.
We're deeply involved in El Salvador.
I can talk a little bit about that, but I know we're taking a break here soon.
We can maybe hit on that after a break. Is that right?
Yes. Thank you, Tommy.
I was actually so engrossed in the conversation, I completely forgot that we are at the hour mark.
So we're heading back into the trenches for this one.
I know you guys loved it when I played Polanski a few weeks ago.
So I had to bring them back.
this band has mastered that specific gritty 90s frequency that feeling of raw instruments
pushing air into a damp room so this track by polanski is called through and honestly it's
almost the motto for the show this episode even the only way out of the relentless noise of the
fiat matrix is through so check your volume level folks this baseline is going to rattle your desk
let's go
Weigh like a stone
A misbelief
Unumbring like a mist
All tied around
What used to be
Discretion
A proposition
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To beat
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Lord
How small the world has made you
I'm coming through
Big house of bones
I come and meet for a lead to bend the ghost
Up to my cross
Because you don't know what to do
Oh, so small the world has made you
Enough with what you have your guns
It's almost starting
Attempted revolution
I'm coming through
Through you
I'm coming through
Through you
That was through by Polanski
If the last Polanski song I played was Stone Temple Pilots, then this one is definitely Alice in Chains.
The guitar tone sounds like a bus saw cutting through the mix.
And the way the vocals are buried just slightly under that wall of distortion,
it gives this claustrophobic, desperate energy that just drives you forward.
It's the perfect soundtrack for the build.
when number go down then the multi-generational savings you thought you had will now only last
until next tuesday and then you just put your head down and you power through polanski is keeping
that raw alternative spirit alive in the open music ecosystem i've got 90 splits set up in this
chapter if that track gave you the adrenaline you needed to finish the week strong then hit that
rewind button by a minute or two and send them a boost tom we were talking about uh you being in
finland this is actually a finnish grunge band that somehow sounds like they're from seattle
you're right in point these guys are alice and change very like great vocals great guitar yeah
that's that's some serious stuff uh one of one of texas slum's really good friends is adam curry
who's the known as the father of podcasting but he's also for us older folks we remember back in
the beginnings of mtv as a video dj and uh he he started the whole value for value concept which i
think is phenomenal i think it's the way we incentivize good behavior in this world because
part of this Truman Show we keep pointing back to is they're stealing your data through likes,
and likes are crap. Zaps are so much better because it's true value for value, and the
centralized systems don't have any authority or any ability to steal it. So heck yeah,
give props to those folks. They're rocking it, man. That's awesome.
Yeah. And Adam Curry obviously started this. I think he has this boostogram ball.
That might have been one of the very first shows
where on RSS and podcasting 2.0,
where there'd be songs playing from these independent artists
and people could boost the artist directly.
So certainly taking a leaf out of his book,
maybe three of how many ever years after he started this trend.
But we were talking about, you know,
building these resilient decentralized systems for the marketplace, right?
with this really priced asset that you have in the domain, beef.com.
I know there a lot under wraps but I just want to put it out there We talked about it Nostoy so maybe that definitely something that under consideration There are you know speaking of the Meshtadel communities these permaculturists
and these people who are building these mesh networks that are outside of the existing Internet,
there are folks, Tom, a friend of the show, Shadrach, and several others,
doing amazing things in Austin in building these resilient parallel systems
that are not reliant on the existing internet, existing infrastructure.
So if you're interested, more than happy to connect with that.
We're very interested in talking to those folks, actually.
And I personally am a mesh-tastic tinker as well around the property that I have as well.
So, yeah, if you guys have interest in doing core level communication network stuff, we have some real work that things that we're already working on.
And if there's suggestions, hit us up.
Hit me up personally.
I'd love to talk to you more about it for sure.
So, Shadrach, if you're listening, I don't know if you're on the live stream, but I'm sure you'll listen to the podcast.
I think we may have reached out or somehow I think there we have there's some minimal connection, but an actual true connection would be really great.
Yeah. And they're doing some amazing stuff out in Austin.
Perfect.
And more news coming out on that soon. So, yeah, happy to to bring that connection.
Let's see. I'm trying to go back to the thread.
Well, I can I can pick up some of this, actually.
I mentioned right before the music break El Salvador, and there's some big news for the Beef Initiative there as well.
There's been several countries that reached out to Texas Slim and said, hey, we would like to build a new cattle system within our country, a new food security system.
And, you know, Slim's traveled kind of all over to North Thailand.
He's been to Africa.
He's been to Australia.
South America, Central America, Canada, the U.S., of course.
And the thing that just kind of bubbled to the surface, bubbled to the top was El Salvador as the place to really get started.
And it wasn't just because it was Bitcoin country, but that's certainly a nice thing.
It was more than that.
It was actually having President V. Kelly as this person who's willing to do anything to make his country a better place.
You know, and Bitcoin's part of that, but really he's doing transformative things to really lift up his people, to invite in a reverse brain drain is the way I've heard it described.
But I think just a brain magnet is a better way to say it to his country.
And Westerners from all over the world have landed there.
There's a strong community.
I've been part of that community on the number of trips I've been there now.
And it's pretty amazing what's going on.
It's exciting.
It's transformative.
If you're a Bitcoiner that wants to be in development and you don't know what to do, find your way to El Salvador.
You know, there's open arms for people that have great big ideas and want to collaborate on those ideas.
But as part of that, it was really slim.
He negotiated with the country of El Salvador a contract to actually launch a whole new cattle industry in their country.
The country's been ravaged by civil war and then the cartel or just the gangs that have been there for however long.
It's over 20 years and it's been devastating in so many ways.
And I've talked to so many Salvadorans that have returned from the United States there and so many that actually lived through it as well.
And the stories are heartbreaking.
The fortitude of the people is stunning.
The shape of the country is quite amazing.
There's a lot of infrastructure problems still, but I've spent a lot of time in Peru specifically.
And in Peru, there's a lot of similar problems, but all the problems are getting worse in Peru.
And in El Salvador, I see those same problems getting better and better each time I go back.
And so that's pretty stunning and encouraging.
The hope there is off the charts more so than any other country I've seen in the world.
and this contract is actually we're bringing cattle from america down to el salvador to
relaunch it and a lot of the bitcoiners have had that i've talked to that that heard about this
kind of misunderstands well the beef in el salvador is just not very good at all why is that
and there is some weird rumor that it was due to the grass or the water or the soil or something
and it's like no no it's just due to the genetics of bad cows and why would they have bad cows there
Well, if they'd had good cows there, those would have been stolen or killed.
And that's exactly what happened.
We talked to a lady.
Steve actually talked to this lady a few weeks ago.
And she had hundreds of head of cows.
She's a wonderful cattle rancher woman there.
And the gangs came with machine guns.
And they slaughtered, shot down in cold blood right in front of her face.
Hundreds of cows with machine guns.
And just what a heartbreaking, devastating.
off, just to be stolen from is just a devastating thing. But to have the animals you've cared for
and loved just killed right in front of you, just, you can imagine.
Why did they do that, Joe?
They did it because that's what evil does. Evil kills food systems. When you kill the food system,
you control the population. And that's what tyranny does. We see it over and over again
throughout the world. When tyranny rises up, the first thing they do is kill the food,
and then the people can't resist because they can't eat.
I was in Cambodia many years ago
and when Pol Pot came up there,
the devastation that came behind that revolution
was outrageous.
The Bolshevik revolution, just throughout,
you see this devastation and it's tyranny does.
And it's happening right now, today.
It's not some far off in the future,
maybe this will happen.
We see an attack on the U.S. food system.
this losing the ranches 57 a day is not by accident it's by design it's centralization
it's cbdc it's track and trace control it's the truman show but not the funny go happy lucky
truman show it's the dystopian hunger games show that we're talking about and we're really facing
that and that's what beef.com is here to do is to actually fight against that with true power of
having a name that's recognized that can speak truth because there's so many lies and deceptions
out there around beef and the beef industry.
Is it fair to think of these large industrial producers
and the state as essentially one entity?
Of course. Come on. Let's look at government. Come on.
Do you think our congressmen have any choice in the bills they do?
They don't. They're captured.
A congressperson, their only choice is whoever put them in office,
they pass it off, and it doesn't really matter what color they are.
They're captured by corporate interest.
The laws that get passed are not for the benefit of the American people.
It just isn't.
And that's what's happening in these regulations as well.
They're captured.
Does the medical industry, is the controlling boards over the medical field, is it being influenced by the medical pharmaceutical companies?
Yes.
Is the food being controlled by those big producers?
Yes.
is the military industrial complex do the military contractors the companies that make all those
weapons have any influence on government yes we're under attack and we the people we the people have
the right to have a government and we the people do not want to rise up with guns we want to rise
up with better non-violent ideas bitcoin nostr and beef.com are examples of that and i'm here to just
Let you guys know.
And if you don't think it's right, don't trust.
Verify.
Actually, come verify.
Please do.
Please come.
Bring your research.
Actually, Ken, I would, not to verify, Tom,
but I'd actually just love to visit to see.
Yeah.
But what would be a good place just to come and see things that are happening?
The place that you can actually get the most information is our Twitter feed
called The Beef Initiative.
So the Beef Initiative has a long string of content that kind of demonstrates this, shows this.
Beef News is another one of our Twitter handles.
Check that out as well.
Beefmaps.com, of course, if you're looking for beef, that's a good place there.
Or if you're a rancher looking to get involved, ask us about how to get involved in that.
Modern T-Man is Texas Slim's Twitter handle.
My Twitter handle is TomTaberHodl, so T-O-M-T-A-B-E-R-H-O-D-L.
And then Beef.com, right now it's pretty sparse.
It has a video and an email, like put your email there.
Because on the back end, we just actually transferred the domain.
So when you transfer domain, it can be rather risky.
There's nefarious actors that want to grab such things.
so we're taking our time with security and making sure that when we launch the real thing that we're
doing it the right way and we'll do it our own time because there's a lot of ideas that are that
are behind that we would love to have bitcoiners and developers that are interested in and being
part of this movement hey we could really use some really good people and if you have really
high technical skills in in all all those areas that that we would love to have a conversation
with you. So you can reach out to me directly
or go
through the forums on the website too.
Yeah, and I'll put all the stuff in the show notes
so that people can get it.
We're not at the end yet, but I'm kind of putting the end stuff in the middle
here a little bit.
You know, you're talking
about
the big ag or big beef
and essentially the state being
one entity. Yes, I mean that's
in every industry that is the case. The big banks
are the state. For all intents and purposes,
there is no difference.
But if you think about
that entity, right?
We can just talk about the
beef in this case.
And let's play
out their endgame, as
it appears anyway,
and assume they're successful.
To me,
they're no different from a
virus, because a virus's endgame
is the host body dies.
and if they're successful that's what's going to happen and then what happens i mean as as
bitcoiners we kind of know what we're up against what's the only thing keeping the government from
implementing a cbdc it's it's it's bitcoin and it's nostr because we both have to have free money
and we have to have free communications and if we didn't have those two things they would have
implemented cbdc it'd be an open-air prison for all and we they they don't have to actually put
in actual prisons because they just control your money and your food. Hey, you act up,
you say the wrong thing. You talk like we're talking right now. Hey, you're cut off. Your
bank account is closed. You've actually been subversive. You've talked, you've spoken ill
against the government as they do in England. And what do they do in England? We're already
seeing it happen there. It would happen everywhere. Without Bitcoin, without Nostra, it all would
be lost But the next attack is on the food systems And that where the battle is really happening on the ground in real time in physical space It not a technological thing It in physical space And we need to physically go secure
our beef because, okay, so Bitcoiners, you can go to beefmount.com. You can shake your rancher's
hand. Who's your neighbor? You can order beef from him. But if his ranch goes under, where's
your beef now? You become a beef beggar and it's gone. Do you, can you make your own beef? Can,
do you have it in your backyard? Do you have your cow in your backyard? If you don't, then it's all
lost. So what I'm talking about is quite serious. You can build citadels. If you have your permaculture
citadel, great. You have your air, your food, your water, your shelter, your security, your
communications all secured. But if it all goes to Mad Max, are you going to eat carrots and potatoes
for the rest of your life? Where's your beef going to come from? You can eat chickens, but do you
have your own cow? Maybe you ought to. And if you have your own cow, do you have the whole
infrastructure and network to support that cow. And then the real deal is have your own ranch.
And, you know, that's what part of the VF initiative. Slim has a whole thing called Texas
Slim's Land and Cattle Company, which we could actually build turnkey ranches. And this would
be great for Bitcoiners that want to build that kind of citadel that don't know how to do it.
We have teams all over Texas that have all the skills to do that. And we're happy to do that.
but that's not going to be available to all Bitcoiners.
If you can help out in whatever ways,
with whatever resources you can,
this is the real battle against tyranny
is right here in our food system.
And it's not about carrots and potatoes.
It's about beef because beef is the only,
the only food that has high density saturated fats.
And the government just corrected the food pyramid
and turned it upside down and saturated fats.
They're talking about beef.
That's the healthy food, the healthy food forever.
but they lied to us about the food pyramid.
So if you really want to secure our freedom as Americans,
let's really secure our food network,
and the ranchers could really use our help technologically,
liquidity-wise, whatever ways, communications-wise, all of it.
This is a serious call to action that I'm here for.
It's great that you're talking about this, Tom.
And I do want to actually at some point today talk about beef versus venison versus lamb,
which are also good sources.
But I'm curious to hear your view on that.
Before we get there, right, just talking about this sovereign exit to a parallel system that we're building,
the Meshtadel, Citadels, your own network of ranchers and so on and so forth.
Those are all things you can control who you transact with,
who you interact with, and what media,
what forms of media you use for both transacting
and for interacting, Bitcoin, what have you.
There are certain things that you don't control,
however sovereign you are as an individual.
And I was watching this podcast.
Actually, it was a Rogan podcast from like two or three years back now.
And there was a guy, one of, I suspect he's,
and I can't remember now, but his older gent,
I think he's part of this whole broader movement anyway.
And he was talking about the genetically modified seeds.
You can have a perfect farm and grow the perfect crop
and all of that stuff, right, cattle feed and so on.
The guy next door is doing GMO stuff.
Those seeds blow over in the wind,
and because they're genetically modified,
they're I guess sturdier or more resilient
and they take over even on your patch of land
and it's just the wind that did it
so that's one example of stuff that's not entirely in
a rancher's control
no matter how sovereign you are
the other is like geoengineering
what do you do about that
there's cloud seeding
there's solar radiation
there's spraying aerosols to reflect
the sunlight back because they want to prevent,
the ostensible reason is to prevent climate change
or mitigate climate change.
But that leads to, you know, rain
that potentially contains some of this aerosol material
that goes into the soil and that stuff travels.
Who knows what that does?
We don't know, right?
The fact is this is happening without our consent.
How do you fully exit when they're these uncontrollables?
well let's talk about it this way um definitely good on the gmo they're not more resilient seeds
what they really are is they interact with another product they sell called roundup so that's actually
the the psyop in those seeds it's not that they're better seeds they just happen to be able to sell
roundup and use it that way so that's the glyphosate is another the the scientific name for it for the
Seeding and all that, well, that's going to be a problem.
But if your family is in a hostage situation, you don't worry about that because your family's in a hostage situation.
So we have a hostage situation here where our ranchers are being held hostage.
And so, yeah, there's other problems in the world also.
And those may not be fully, like, figured out.
But if you have a hostage situation, you deal with that first.
It's triage.
and so we need to help our ranchers get out of the situation there because if we don't there's
no more beef at the supermarket there's no more beef on beefmaps.com there's no more beef to be
found anywhere um and beef is by far in a way the highest saturated fat on earth including lambs you
can go do your research don't trust verify go do the research and see what has the highest saturated
fat and that's what that's what jfk is talking about they want saturated fats is the new healthy
thing. It's actually beef. We would love to be part of what they're doing and actually show the
right way. Here's one way. El Salvador. We have a government that's actually friendly to us.
We actually have a government that's working hand in hand with us to rebuild cattle country.
And they're saying, let's do this the right way. Let's not do it with GMOs. What's the right way?
Let's not do it with the captured USDA programs. And we have the ability to prove to the world
that true regenerative ranching happens there and happens there first. It becomes a model that
It becomes wildly successful and wants to be replicated around the world.
And so the world then comes to El Salvador and says, how can we do this too?
Countries that are interested are Ireland, Uganda, Kenya, and some in South America as well.
So, yeah, there's going to be other problems.
But the biggest problem is if we lose our ranchers, if we lose our land, what are we losing our land to?
Subdivisions, AI data centers.
they're stealing not just the land but the water and the electricity this is a takeover that's
happening this is this is a big deal and the little things are still going to be there if
they're still there i guess the way to really get rid of them is to defund all the fiat so we'll know
we've won when we've wiped out fiat and only bitcoin nostre free communications are out there
that's how we actually do it but is that going to happen in our lifetime i don't know i don't think
so, but let's actually make the best effort because we're at the line that's been drawn
in the sand and we're at it.
We have to do something.
And I'm not trying to be fear-mongering.
I'm actually trying to say, hey, it's time to wake up and do something really useful.
How can someone who's listening, who maybe until now, other than being a beef enjoyer,
a steak enjoyer, wasn't fully aware of all of this and is listening to this and saying,
holy crap, I want to help.
What can they do?
I mean,
beef.com
is going to be our, what do you call it,
aircraft carrier for beef.
It's our defensive weapon.
Type in your email there
and also put in a comment of how can
you help. And we're going to be reading those
and actually helping.
We're developing programs. We have a lot of programs
in the works already.
Things like Beef to Schools
is one of the ones we're working on in El Salvador.
women that are suffering
that would love to actually be near horses
and horses that are suffering
putting women and horses together
not necessarily suffering
but women that want to be with horses
there's something
there's a special magic
that's called the Windy Whispers program
that's a place you can actually participate
actually Tom
could I stop you real quick
yeah yeah
so my wife who you also met
yes
who I adore
considers you dear friend
she has recently started doing equine
so she's a psychotherapist
that's what I'm talking about
that's exactly what I'm talking about
equine therapy
and it seems handmade for women and horses
I'm sure she's
having a wonderful time with it
and I know several women that are involved in that
and it's just a perfect match
she's doing the therapy side of it but yes a lot of the people
who do show up are women
as it turns out
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But also veterans with PTSD.
Precisely.
Exactly, exactly.
There's so much help that can be done through that.
Yeah, precisely.
And so I think there's, bring your ideas,
just raise your hand.
And one way to raise your hand is drop your email
into beef.com.
We have the form there now.
I believe we have a comment section too.
You can say in what way or ask questions,
whatever that is.
And we're collecting those.
Those are the new database that's secured.
We're not passing that on to the Truman State.
That's protected.
That's an index that we have of our allies that we wish to actually help change the world for the better.
And so be it.
I mean, even the phones that are in the cataloging that are doing the wrong thing,
you know, there's some people that are feeling really bad about what they're doing to their hometown,
what they're doing to their country, that they too may want to raise their hand and say,
hey, I too want to see how I can help.
And that's great.
we're looking to change the world
and we don't change it unless we change it for everyone
well said Tom
is there anything you think you've missed
that you wanted to cover about the beef initiative
it seems like it was a really dense session even to me
so I think we can leave it there
yeah we need a longer one
but I did actually want to
one thing I wanted to talk to you
a rabbit hole we didn't go down
Maybe we shouldn't go down.
We'll just talk about it at a high level.
Is the beef versus lamb versus venison, elk, bison, all of that stuff, right?
Yeah?
What do you got?
Go ahead, Tom.
No, no.
They're all good, right?
I think they're all good.
But go dig into them and just do even an AI quick query.
What are the saturated fat contents of all those products?
and that'll answer the question.
So dairy-owned research, you'll see.
And we're talking.
I mean, I love those things as well
in many different forms.
Venice and sausage, I grew up on,
I think it's phenomenal.
It's usually mixed with pork, by the way,
in order to give it the fatty content.
I love gyros.
I love Middle Eastern kebabs.
I think those are great I love Indian food and those have all different aspects of those But nutritionally look at the nutritional value and look at the saturated fats
I guess another thing, the grass-fed, grass-finished, just to push back on another one.
One of the ways that the beef that we're actually, the ranchers that we're working with,
that's different in the way that it's different in El Salvador,
we're going to bring better genetics from the cattle we bring down,
but also there's input controls.
There's the way that you feed the cattle at the end of the life.
The fiat system is really cruel to these animals.
It fattens them up basically on sugar from corn.
And there's a way to actually add all natural things with different plant products that are all natural,
but bring in omega-3s that are healthy for the cows and also healthy for the humans that consume them.
So basically it's like the turning beef having the nutritional qualities that you'd get from salmon as well.
So like really high quality salmon.
So that's the thing to really look at.
It's not, it's been price per pound and it's really price per density of value.
So price per acre.
How many cattle are you putting in an acre and what's the density value you can bring to the cow and then the human that consumes it afterwards?
Or not even human.
It could actually be really high quality dog food that comes from the processing of cows as well.
and there's a whole opportunity there for it that's not just human healthy,
but it's for all of our loving animals,
like the dogs that we love in our lives as well.
I think, so just going back to the grass-fed, grass-finished,
I think one of the arguments there,
and I understand that the marketing
and there could be a lot of chicanery on that front, right?
But if you just take the principle behind it.
Oh, the principle is great.
The principle is great.
but the reality is different than the principle right right yeah and that's dig into that rabbit
hole like go do the research find out what's wrong with labeling around that um when it's a commodity
product um and a pound of that grass-fed grass-finished beef how many cows are how many
cows are inside that pound they go into huge vats there may be hundreds of cows
and that's kind of gross and disgusting and then if one of those has issues that's throughout a
larger network if you get directly from a rancher you know that's a single source single cow ground
beef that you have because you had that cow processed for you another way that that bitcoiners
could do this is actually providing liquidity to host their own cattle on pastures from ranchers so
I was talking to Walker about this the other day that you can actually, same as like Bitcoin mining, where you have a company actually host your miners for you in their server farms in Uruguay or Ethiopia or wherever it is, that you could actually have ranchers host your cattle and actually care for them throughout their life.
but you're providing the upfront liquidity to have those cattle there and then that's one way
to not be a beef beggar that you actually have invested in a farm in a way that's profoundly
like it's profoundly changing for that farm that just having the liquidity from bitcoiners in that
way it has nothing to do with us you just shake your rancher's hand and say hey can i buy some
cattle to put on your land and can we be partners in those cows and you deliver those whenever i want
And it's like, yeah, let's do that partnership together.
And so that's another way that's not millions of dollars.
It's like whatever you're going to invest, you can actually have it secured in a way.
I often say it's securing your beef in cold storage on pasture.
And that in beef, KYC means know your cattle, know your cow.
I like that.
So a couple more things on this related topic, Tom.
Sure.
We're talking about, you know, we're using the term beef, but I assume you're talking nose to tail carnivory, right?
Including organs and everything else.
Yeah, when we're talking about microprocessing, nothing's actually thrown away.
Nothing is trash.
Everything is a real product.
And one of the cool products you can get out of this is called primal ground beef.
And I've got it from my ranches in the past where when they make the beef, they actually put some of those organs,
like particularly the liver in there, that you're actually getting just super dense nutrients from that meat.
The other thing is the raw, the actual hide from this cow too.
There's a way that they process those that you turn it into really high quality leather products.
And we're looking in El Salvador how we can relaunch the leather industry in El Salvador,
not just the meat, but the leathers as well and leather goods.
And so suddenly having high quality, if you have high quality cows, guess what?
you have high quality leather. If you have really low quality cows, you have really low quality
leather. So bringing high quality cows there that it could, El Salvador might become the Milan
of the world, truly, and have some of the finest leather products coming out of there.
We have leather people, fine leather craftsmen from Texas that will be helping train and educate
Salvadorans in how to do that and building that whole infrastructure for that down there.
Tallow is another huge one.
You know, Steak and Shake was there at Bitcoin Historico.
They made a big presence.
They've really committed themselves to Bitcoin, but also using tallow.
And tallow is nothing more than taking the fat from cows and turning that into this product that's used like a butter or it's used as a grease in frying.
But it's deeply helpful.
It's deeply saturated fats, a healthy product.
and there may be some shenanery in the tallow industry as well so having really honest tallow
that is backed by where did it come from what cows did it come from how is that actually processed
is all really important as well and that's another place with nostr that we can actually verify
uh through uh one of the technologies is a gps cow collar so it's like a dog collar
but it has gps in it and so it can track where that cow is throughout its life which pastures
it was on um just all the information about it and that can be uh time stamped with the time
stamps from bitcoin and verified that the meat you're actually eating is the came from this cow
and here's its whole life history love it yeah and tala's good for the skin too indeed my friends
that born to be free are fantastic they're actually part of the beef initiative they're in new york
And I recommend them, but there's other great Bitcoiners that are doing lots of great Bitcoiners, tallow skincare products.
So one other thing a lot of Bitcoiners and, you know, the Bitcoin adjacent sort of primal lifestyle folks are into is raw dairy.
Yes.
Does this, you know, raw cheese, even raw milk, which is fantastic.
is that something that's within the beef initiatives mandate or is it just meat
well we don't have mandates we just have initiatives actually there's no dogma here
there's actually the dogma is do it right at least don't do it wrong um well one of the ways
that bitcoiners can actually have cows on their own property and one of the easier ways to do it is
if you don't have a lot of depth of experiences having a dairy cow and with a dairy cow then you
have access, you've actually secured your raw milk on your own pasture again. And you don't have to
have a ton of acreage for that. You could have, you know, an acre or less, slightly less than that,
and have a dairy cow that there's breeds now that are both great for dairy and also great as meat at
the end of their life as well. And in order to have a dairy cow and to have it produce milk,
it has to have a calf so that you have a regenerative system right there in itself,
a small one but a regenerative system where you're actually getting your raw milk you're making
wonderful cheeses from it and kefir kefir kefir i can't remember how to say it at this moment
oh thanks kefir kefir i've had both okay yeah and that's another phenomenal product that's a
milk product and i'm a raw milk we've been part of a co-op uh in in in my in my community and it's
been phenomenal just to have that availability to that and yeah I think that's definitely a great
way to go as well. And A1 versus A2 any thoughts on that? No I don't have any thoughts because I'm
not deep down that rabbit hole but we have other people on our team that are so I'm the
bitcoiner so I'm still learning my all my ranching and dairy terms so yeah. Okay cool well Tom this
is great uh in there's a new segment on the show where i give um someone from the audience who
boosted in or zapped in on nostra the final word um and really it's the idea is for it to
to be dissent and we called it dissenting stats uh i didn't get any dissent but i did i will give
the final word on today's episode to long-time listener and in fact 40 hours of podcast a week
legend Pies, who said about last week's episode where I had Dion Wilson, he's just launched the
Bitcoin for the Arts initiative. He's based in New York and he's trying to create this nonprofit
that promotes, that helps artists and educates them about Bitcoin and maybe fund some of their
artworks. So Pies says, great interview. I hate NYC since COVID, but the energy Dion comes with
I used to be out there
but love the energy Dion comes with
I used to be out in NYC often
maybe someday when the commies are pushed out
I'll come back
but I doubt that
anyway, thank you gentlemen
no bias, thank you
you get the final word
today, and Tom, thank you
for this educational experience
it's good to see you buddy
or rather good to talk to you
you too, thank you so much for the opportunity
for coming on here and I hope to see you
your family soon.
No, I'd love to do that.
In fact, you know,
I'll ask my wife
to connect with you.
Please do.
About the equine therapy stuff.
Absolutely.
It's been way too long.
I think the last time I saw you
was Madeira in 2024,
which is kind of insane.
I think so.
That is too far.
Thank you.
Yeah.
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