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This is Blood Channel Radio.

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Welcome, gentle pioneers, to the lightning-laced airwaves.

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Today is Friday, the 23rd of January.

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It is 3.01pm on the East Coast of the United States.

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At the time of recording, this is episode 147 of Plep Chain Radio,

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and we have a fun one in store for you.

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Tom Tabor returns to the show

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a man who lives closer to the soil

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than I would ever dare to.

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Don't miss our open music segment

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coming up in the show.

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90% of your boosts and streams during the song

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will go directly to the artist.

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If you are hearing my voice right now

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on Spotify or Apple

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you're getting the legacy feed.

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It works, but it's a one-way street.

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Over here on Fountain and Noster,

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we're building a two-way radio.

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This is a Valley for Value broadcast.

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There are no corporate ads here

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because the producers of the show,

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that's you, keep the mic hot.

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If you want to upgrade your experience,

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earn stats while you listen

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and actually have a say in the direction of the show,

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I'll see you over on the V4V side.

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Speaking of the sovereign way,

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earlier last week, I dropped episode 3 of Finding Home.

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I traveled to Asuncion, Paraguay

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to track down a real-life example of what we talk about on this show.

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I spent days with Jan Kotas,

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A young guy who hacked the system to live strictly on his own terms.

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If you want to see what sovereignty with fingerprints on it actually looks like,

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go watch that episode on IndieHub.

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And you can use code PIONEER21, P-I-O-N-E-E-R 21, for the listener discount.

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It is the perfect visual companion, I think,

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to what Tom and I are going to discuss in a little bit.

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Now, I have an opening in the show lineup.

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At the beginning of this year,

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I decided to set aside a block of airtime every week

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for what I was calling dissenting sats.

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This is the slot where the highest value booths

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that disagree with me get the microphone.

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For the last two weeks, the throne was empty.

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No one stepped up to challenge the narrative.

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So the slot is open right now.

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Listen to the sermon I'm about to give.

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If you think I'm romanticizing the past,

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if you think I'm missing the benefits of the algorithm,

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boost in and tell me why I'm wrong.

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Or zap in on Noster.

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The best counter-arguments get the final word on next week's show.

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Don't let me get away with being comfortable.

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And that brings us to today's sermon, The Return of the Local Oracle.

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We live in an age of outsourced knowing, outsourced to labels and institutions, outsourced to experts with perfect lighting,

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outsourced to algorithms that tell you what to crave, what to fear, what to buy, what to believe.

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The modern spell is convenience and the price is amnesia.

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Because the more we outsource, the less we remember how to read reality.

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We forget how to listen to the oldest dashboard we've got, the body.

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We forget how to trust our own discernment,

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calibrated by seasons, sunlight, sleep, community, and honest work.

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We forget how to ask the simple questions that used to keep us alive.

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Where did this come from?

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What did it cost the land?

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you've stopped being a consumer and become someone who's being managed.

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So I've been thinking about the return of the local oracle.

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Not the oracle of grand predictions and cosmic hot takes,

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but the kind that stands in mud, knows your name,

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and tells the truth in plain language.

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The oracle that hands you a relationship.

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The rancher.

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The butcher.

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The neighbor with a garden.

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the person who can look you in the eye and say

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here's how it was raised

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it's the reconnection protocol

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a way back to source

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that doesn't require a priesthood of certification

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it's sovereignty with fingerprints on it

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the local oracle lives in a supply chain

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you can trace with your actual life.

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whose values are testable,

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whose reputation travels at the speed of community.

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Once you rebuild that kind of trust in food,

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you've been living off secondhand reality.

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You start wanting the unfiltered signal in everything,

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in money, in media, in medicine, in spirit.

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Because the path back is always the same.

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Fewer intermediaries, more integrity.

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So tonight, I want to hold that question in the center of the room.

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What would change if he stopped asking distant systems for permission to know

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and started rebuilding the small, local, human ways of truth?

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And joining me today is my dear friend Tom Tabor, a man who I suspect has the answer to that question.

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Tom, welcome back to Plep Chain Radio.

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Thank you, Avi. Wow. You are just such an amazing artist and creative mind. I'm just so in awe.

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Actually, I love being your friend, but if I wasn't, I'd want to figure out how to become your friend because I'm such a fan of your novel, 24.

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I'm looking forward to the upcoming release of it.

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And that was a stunning piece of poetry that speaks directly to what we're doing at the Beef Initiative.

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The conversations the Texas Lemon are having just this morning in this pickup truck in the back 40, actually.

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This is, yeah, I would say the oracle is actually being your brother's keeper.

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And that's something we've been talking about, just having each other's back.

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and a friend isn't a friend that says hey you're doing great even when you're not a friend is a

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friend that says hey i see this is happening and you may want to take a look at this you may want

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to change something about this or you may want to wake up to something that's not quite right about

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what's going on in your life and man ranching has everything to do with this the there's something

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i've been learning quite a bit by basically living with texas slim for months now is the cowboy code

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And it's the cowboy way of looking at life, responding to life, not reacting to life, but actually treating life with great sacredness and having integrity in everything that you do.

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And when you fall out of that integrity, you get called out in the cowboy circles and the real cowboy circles and the ones that are real ranchers.

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If you show up as a clown and as a fool, you're going to be thrown out and cast aside very quickly.

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and so there's no tolerance for bs and and and the bs that you're talking about in this media

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in this fake world that with this fake society that is put upon our earth it's getting more and

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more disgusting every day um and it's a psyop and it's a psyop that's that's dark it doesn't it's

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not happy go lucky there's uh you're just talking about the tonality of commercials if you look at

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There's like this happy-go-lucky, almost Stepford Wives tonality to it of like, everything is great.

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We are just wonderful.

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And it's like, whoa, man, that shit's dark.

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Real dark.

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But I've been talking.

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Respond to that, please.

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You know, it's funny.

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So my son, who you met, Tom.

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Yes, who's an amazing man.

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He's done, well, yes.

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Well, thank you for saying that.

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He is.

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Amazing.

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He's turning into quite a fine young man.

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He had a test for his broadcasting class.

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And it's one of the few good classes he has at the local state-run school.

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And the assignment, believe it or not, was to watch the Truman Show.

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So we all watched it together.

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It's been about 20 years since I've watched it.

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And it's funny how far ahead of its time that movie was.

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Have you seen it?

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Yes, absolutely.

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It is telling the truth about where we live.

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It is very much.

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It's a documentary to the future or the present.

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Absolutely, right?

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And as you were saying that about the Stafford wives and all of that,

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it just reminded me of the movie I rewatched again just a day or two ago.

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But Tom, you know, you have big news.

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You're talking about you joined the Beef Initiative, and we'll get into that in a second.

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But, you know, I just realized, Tom, the last time we had you on the show was in January of 2024, early January.

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So it's been a little over two years.

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It does not feel that long.

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It does not feel that long.

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And we haven't seen each other in person in such a long time, or your family, who I just adore.

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Um, yeah, it's been a while.

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Uh, I've been doing some things.

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I can talk about what we've been doing though.

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Uh, I live in, uh, in the mountains and it's a beautiful place and it's nice to be up there.

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And then just in August of this year, there are some big changes in what I was doing and

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the people I was working with and stuff.

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And so I decided, you know, now's the time where I have a break in responsibilities and

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obligations.

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I'm going to go travel again.

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I traveled for, let's see, I traveled for about a year, 17 years ago.

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And I came back to the United States for just a quick check-in.

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And that check-in took 17 years.

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It was kind of a long, winding one.

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And so this August, I kind of, I put on my travel, just loaded up a suitcase and just went kind of on world travels again.

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Kind of solo, but also meeting up with friends around the world.

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I'm going to Bitcoin events around the world and kind of doing a survey of what is actually going on in the world.

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We hear so much on this, you know, curated feed that's put into us that, hey, there's all this death and destruction in the world.

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There's all these problems. Is it really happening?

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And I got to see with my own eyes where there's problems, where there's not.

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But there are quite a few problems around the world.

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And I was shocked and appalled like what I came across throughout Europe.

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I haven't been back to Asia lately, but I've been in Central America and South America,

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and there's encouraging things as well.

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I would say that El Salvador is a place that's been deeply encouraging to me

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and inspiring, actually, that country compared to almost every other one I went to.

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So that's part of it.

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And I actually haven't been home.

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And since early August, I've only been home one week

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and then a few days here and there sprinkled throughout that,

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but mostly been on the road, pretty hardcore.

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last time we spoke Tom

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you lived in a place

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with a lot of yurts

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is that still the case?

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that is still the case

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and it's getting more and more magical

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and we have tiny houses

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we have a community there

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we be of service to people

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we have a podcast over there

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that we actually have 78 episodes of

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called Wide Awaken America

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or Wide Awaken Babylon

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I always say it wrong sometimes.

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I'm a subscriber.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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And it kind of speaks to the Babylon.

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What you're speaking to in your beautiful poem opening is this Babylonian sort of dystopia, game-like, curated, psyop thing that's put upon us through social media, TV.

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Even just the whole city structure is kind of part of it as well And I love to talk about that Just the sprawl of suburbs and this kind of cookie cutter non restaurants And I know you just an amazing foodie with your

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wonderful Bitcoin food show, which I'm a huge fan of. How many more Taco Bells do we need?

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You know, how many more? And I see it all over the world, actually. It's like,

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whoa where's that like even in Italy where's the beautiful food of Italy it's like it's just carbs

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some fried chicken gelato there's no real beef and I said this to a bitcoin or rather big bitcoin

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he scoffed at me as if I was an idiot I was like no I just went back again and checked and was in

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Venice which is a beautiful city but also in some ways it's a fiat slum it's tragically so it's all

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these people have rents they have to pay and so they're selling little trinkets and the trinkets

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are sometimes ten thousand dollar watches or just cheap souvenir plastic souvenirs and it's like

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boy this feels like a a really dystopian carnival and then there's there's magic there there's also

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it has a very dark past that's quite evident through its art and through its history i don't

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know it's just there's a disappointment in that that i'd love to hear your thoughts on that because

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you are deeply in this as well.

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I'm just hearing you talk about all of that, right,

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is, and this is one of the things I try to do

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with this show and with my TV show as well,

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which is try and tell the stories of people

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who are building the parallel systems.

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Because I think one of the things we,

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one of the patterns, we as Bitconners especially, right,

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the ones who've awoken from the matrix can fall into

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is to dwell on the existing system and the ills of it

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where we have an opportunity.

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And, you know, you're at the pointy end of the spear on this,

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especially now with your new role

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of building these parallel systems

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where we can peacefully exit, right?

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We've looked around at what we have.

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We never really, and I'm sure this is the case with you, Tom,

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Before you found Bitcoin, this is certainly true for me.

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I always had the sense of unease and not fitting in, but not really knowing why.

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And then finding Bitcoin just clarified all of that for me.

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I said, oh, okay, now I get it.

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Now I know why I never belonged.

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My question has been answered.

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But we have this tool now.

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We have hope, I think, which is the truest fuel, even more than the technology itself.

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the hope that the technology engenders is the true fuel that allows us to first build these parallel systems and then second, exit peacefully.

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Yeah, I actually, I concur with that, that the not fitting in thing has been a theme throughout my life.

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And I guess I've overcome that before Bitcoin in some ways.

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And after Bitcoin, there's definitely a deep relaxation of my nervous system in a way that I think life gives us.

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Well, there's certainly this angst within our society that everybody's pretending as if they don't die.

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That is part of this false narrative that you'll just live forever.

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And it's like, oh, no, you better deal with that existential question of death at some point.

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And sooner is better than later.

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And part of that fear of death is, will I have enough money to continue to live comfortably,

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or at least with a roof over my head for the rest of my life?

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And I was just saying this in Colombia at the Medellin Bitcoin conference there.

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You could have a billion dollars in fiat, and you won't know if that answer is yes or no.

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Like a billion dollars today, they can debase that right out of your fingers,

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and you could be homeless on the streets because you don't have real money.

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And that's shocking. That's funds greed, because you don't feel like you have enough, then you're always constantly having to figure out ways to get more. And often those ways are not very aligned with morality. So you're actually finding any ways possible. But with Bitcoin, even just a small amount of Bitcoin, and that you can stash it away. And if you don't have to touch it for a while, wow, you just know you have security for the rest of your life.

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And that radically changes your perspective on life, your interaction with the world around you, the people around you.

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Your kindness and generosity can blossom in a way that's unbelievable.

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So I think that's part of that answer there.

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What else you got there?

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Well, no, I think that certainly makes sense, right?

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that sense of knowing that the fruits of your labor

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aren't being stolen as quickly from you

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as they would be in the system.

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But no, I want to go back to your observations

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around food and architecture as well.

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Were these travels recent, Tom?

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Yeah, I was just in Venice maybe a month and a half ago.

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I can't quite remember exactly those details, but it's about a month and a half ago.

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I was traveling with two of my friends through Venice, and that was really nice.

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We stayed right on one of the canals and that sort of thing.

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And talking to the man who was running the beautiful hotel, it was an older hotel.

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It had been kind of run down, but they were doing what they could with it.

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And I was just talking to him about, hey, what's going on in this town?

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What's the deal? What's the deal with money and that sort of thing?

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And as we talked, I started bringing up Bitcoin as a solution.

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And he got real curious, real interested.

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I mean, you don't really, I don't, I told somebody the other day, I probably tried to

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orange fill a thousand or 2000 people.

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And my success rate, they said, I said, guess what my success rate is?

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They said, a hundred percent.

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Cause I was, he perceived I was doing well.

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I said, no, it's probably about eight people total.

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So that's discouraging.

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It's discouraging to actually even spend time.

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So now when I do it, I only pick the people that I really want to perform an act of love on because that's how I see it.

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When you're orange pilling or even purple pilling, you know, which I think is phenomenal as well with Noster.

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And then my most recent thing is meat pilling, you know.

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Let's actually meat pill people to this new idea of a food, sovereign food system as well.

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Yeah.

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You know, on the topic of orange pilling, it's actually something I've given up on, Tom.

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I'm going to be very honest with you.

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Okay.

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Most people are not ready for it.

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What I do think,

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there are two things that actually do work, I think.

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One is, just live your life, right?

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Live your life as a Bitcoin.

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And if people see how you're living,

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they're like, by the way, why are you so happy?

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How do you find a sense of meaning and purpose

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in a world that's so dark and despairing?

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And then maybe through that,

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the conversation can begin.

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But let them come to you

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rather than me going to someone, right?

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But there are others, like you said,

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who might be on,

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who show enough curiosity

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or have the right pathways that are open.

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And then you can give them a slight nudge

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that gets them there.

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But beyond that,

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I found myself in a strange situation.

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It was in, I was in Warsaw.

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Actually, I was there for the Film Fest

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a couple of years back, the Bitcoin Film Fest.

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You invited me, I remember.

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Yeah, and I couldn't go.

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That was nice of you.

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I remember that.

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No, and it's a lovely event.

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And I was in the hotel one of the evenings,

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hotel lobby with my wife,

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and we went to the bar,

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and there was one of the Bitcoiners there from the conference

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who had absolutely cornered some poor, hapless guy.

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It was an American tourist who was passing by.

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Nothing to do with the conference.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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and he was just telling him how he you know he didn't get it like bitcoin's a thing for him

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so and and then he sees me so this bitcoin knows me and he sees me coming and says

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avi tell him tell him why he's wrong why he's uh right so i looked at the guy and i saw he like

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from the body language you could tell he was completely cornered and defensive right and i

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said i said to him are you happy are you happy with where your life is today uh and where your

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finances i say yeah man i'm a businessman i have savings i travel the world i'm happy i said well

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then you don't need bitcoin you could see the guy visibly relax and at that point he got curious

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yeah yeah he's like oh what do you mean i don't need it right right it's actually a very subtle

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technique for uh getting people attracted is push it away and then suddenly there is some

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attraction there for it. That's interesting. Yeah. No, but that's, it is interesting how that's

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evolved. Well, let me, I kind of want to address this more because this is actually one of the

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points I wanted to talk about today and you've just brought up in a beautiful way. That notion

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of what that fellow is doing is something I've done a lot of in my past, which I call fire hosing

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people with Bitcoin, which is just a cruel thing to do, as you mentioned. And as you go down the

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Bitcoin path, you become more mature with it, then it often evolves into the strategy and the

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attitude that you have exactly, Avi. But I think there's times when we actually do need to do it.

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And what I've come across is this. And we're going to talk about the Beef Initiative and what we're

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doing there. But to jump ahead just a little bit here is one of the groups that really, really

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desperately needs Bitcoin, but they don't understand it, they don't know it yet, is the

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independent ranchers, particularly here in America. And when they've come in contact with

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the Bitcoiners, they've been really appalled by them. Like really appalled. Kind of the behavior

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you're saying. It's not just the fire hosing, but it's also just this kind of a weak man that's

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coming before them telling them they're wrong. And they're going, why would I ever listen to

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this guy who's acting like a clown and tell him about Bitcoin? Why would I listen to him?

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like this person obviously doesn't have the right answer because he would be living his life with

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more integrity and it's almost always a man right like look at bitcoin look at the conferences

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how much even though we have women in bitcoin a good chunk of it is men and the interesting the

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good chunk of men that we have in bitcoin were it's very common that almost all of us are in

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some sort of spectrum here right like that is a common thread through bitcoin something i didn't

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know when I got into the beef initiative is that it's also common within the cowboy community as

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well. But there's this, there's this spectrum like thing and, and the way it manifests itself in

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cowboys is really with protocols, like a procedure. When you actually have a ranch and a farm,

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you get up at four in the morning, you listen to the cattle report in the morning. Then you have

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your chores that are set in order. There's a procedure. It's very military like in order. And

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a lot of farmers and ranchers went through the military experience as well, because there's a

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parallel there. And I see it in special forces because I'm deep friends with the Bitcoin veterans

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and they let me come be part of them as well, even though I'm not a veteran. And you see that

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same sort of protocol-like behavior. And so we've done the disservice to the ranchers by

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not showing up and speaking to them with respect, with humility, and with a deep desire to actually

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be of service to them because they're in desperate, desperate, dire straits. So this is the one place

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where I'm making this exception that,

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hey, I'm not just going to live my life

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and not tell anybody.

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I'm going to be targeted in who I'm telling,

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why I'm telling them,

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and how I'm telling them.

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And that's a really big difference.

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And then just bombarding waitresses at restaurants,

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which we see happen,

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particularly with new Bitcoiners quite a bit,

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or taxi drivers.

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And I don't play that game either.

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I think it's too much.

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Although in one case,

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I'm talking a lot.

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I hope you don't mind.

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In one case,

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I was in the beautiful country of Finland, and a lot of my Uber drivers there were from Africa.

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And I came across quite a few Nigerian cab drivers.

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And you talk to a Nigerian about Bitcoin, you don't fire hose them.

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You just start talking.

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First, you respect the place they come from.

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You respect the intelligence of the Nigerian people.

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I usually bring up the Nigerian email scam as an example of, hey, I know this is the thing that we Americans think of you people, but that's not what I think.

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and then I quickly talk about government corruption and that sort of thing and within five minutes

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I have people that are doing forex trading is their previous name said drop the forex trading

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tomorrow spend two days looking into bitcoin and you'll never go back to forex trading ever again

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and you'll actually help yourself out and that's the whole that's the whole orange pill right there

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and it's like wow and then to follow up I uh one lady I I said send me send me your thing

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download this wallet or whatever

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it didn't happen I said here's my

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WhatsApp send me a message and I'll send you a dollar

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in Bitcoin and she hit me up like a week later

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actually did and I sent her a dollar

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in Bitcoin and she downloaded

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the Satoshi wallet and it was like dude

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that felt really good for both of us

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that was actually successful

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it was no high pressure thing it was just like

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I really am going to send this to you and I

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stood by my word with it and it felt

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really cool actually

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That great Were you in Finland There was a conference there There was I had gone to I missed because you for years have been trying to get me to Bitcoin Prague And I so wanted to as well

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And this year, I just couldn't.

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We're in the middle of a construction project.

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And I couldn't go.

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And I was like, all right, darn, I still want to go to Europe because I had this longing.

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So as a backup, I went to Riga in Latvia.

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And that was really nice.

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I was there.

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It was a really cool conference.

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As I was there, one of the fellows came up to me and says, we're having another conference in Finland next weekend.

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I was like, well, I already have plane tickets to the Czech Republic and all this stuff.

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He says, no, come anyway.

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I said, you know what?

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I'm going to because it's first year and supporting it.

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I went to it.

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I actually did go to Czech Republic for a day, got flights back over to Finland for a little bit.

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And then and I stayed an extra day or day and a half, actually, and then and then continued on my travels to Czech Republic.

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And that was a real changer.

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I met an American in Finland who was married to a Finnish wife, and we became really good friends.

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And I got to know his family really well, and they live in Missouri, and I visited them.

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And they're actually great Bitcoiners.

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The town of Farmington, Missouri, is kind of a secret Bitcoin circular economy that nobody knows about.

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But they're having a permaculture conference coming up that these Bitcoiners are putting on.

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And that's really cool.

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And all this was like magic that happened on the road.

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And I'm so grateful for it because I have some new dear friends that I feel as close as I do to you and your family, actually.

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That's amazing.

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And speaking of, you mentioned the permaculture.

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I don't think I know the permaculture folks from Missouri, but that entire belt starting around there and then heading into Michigan and all of that, right?

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That region, Midwest and maybe a little bit into the South.

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there is such an amazing bitcoin permaculture the mesh to del scene uh there i mean it honestly

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puts the east coast the northeast and many other parts of the country to to shame uh the uh you

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know the level of the network that they have in that part of the country i was stunned with it i

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i'd been to st louis before and but i'd never found this country that it's just like two hours

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south of there. And it's a magical little part of America that is, I don't want to blow it, but hey,

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we're all Bitcoiners Noster folks here. This is a beautiful part of our country where it's very

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family centric, very agriculturally based. People are smart there. People, I mean, I think a lot of

462
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agricultural people get a lot of grief for not being college educated. I'm like, no, college

463
00:30:26,812 --> 00:30:32,672
education is a horrible psyop and I have, I went to undergrad and grad school. So, and I'm the one

464
00:30:32,672 --> 00:30:37,072
saying this, that please don't put your children through that. Do something better with them. Get

465
00:30:37,072 --> 00:30:42,672
them in the trade school, get them close to land, get them farming, get them ranching. This is a

466
00:30:42,672 --> 00:30:48,452
much better education and homeschool, please. Like do, do you and your family such a favor and

467
00:30:48,452 --> 00:30:50,392
And, yeah, I don't know.

468
00:30:50,652 --> 00:30:58,112
So that part of Missouri, I highly recommend it as a place to visit if you like family.

469
00:30:58,532 --> 00:31:05,172
Where your kids can play in the street still in places like that you don't see that in big cities in America.

470
00:31:05,172 --> 00:31:07,932
They're quite dangerous, scary kind of places.

471
00:31:08,112 --> 00:31:08,992
And this is not that.

472
00:31:08,992 --> 00:31:14,312
it's all part of the

473
00:31:14,312 --> 00:31:16,692
sort of sovereign exit

474
00:31:16,692 --> 00:31:18,472
the quiet exit, the homeschooling

475
00:31:18,472 --> 00:31:20,672
everything you're talking about, homesteading, permaculture

476
00:31:20,672 --> 00:31:22,872
that's how you step out of the system

477
00:31:22,872 --> 00:31:23,772
and you do it peacefully

478
00:31:23,772 --> 00:31:25,772
but Tom, let's

479
00:31:25,772 --> 00:31:28,032
you've mentioned the Beef Initiative

480
00:31:28,032 --> 00:31:30,512
you're part of that now, how did that happen?

481
00:31:30,672 --> 00:31:32,712
you said around August

482
00:31:32,712 --> 00:31:34,092
of last year you decided to travel

483
00:31:34,092 --> 00:31:36,272
the world, you went to Venice

484
00:31:36,272 --> 00:31:38,772
you went to South and Central

485
00:31:38,772 --> 00:31:44,652
America and then the Beef Initiative happened. So what's the story there? That's a good story.

486
00:31:44,772 --> 00:31:56,472
Thanks for asking. I actually met Texas Slim maybe five years ago or so and he was having his

487
00:31:56,472 --> 00:32:00,612
first event was in Kerrville, Texas and those guys from Missouri they actually showed up to

488
00:32:00,612 --> 00:32:04,652
the first event and that's how they got to know Slim and I was at the second event which is in

489
00:32:04,652 --> 00:32:12,692
Crawford, Colorado, at a ranch who's now a great friend, Jason Rick, and it's spelled W-R-I-C-H.

490
00:32:12,792 --> 00:32:15,972
So it's kind of an interesting spelling, but his ranch is called the Rick Ranch.

491
00:32:16,612 --> 00:32:19,752
And he's a Bitcoiner and a first generation cattle rancher.

492
00:32:20,732 --> 00:32:22,852
And it was being held there.

493
00:32:22,952 --> 00:32:27,432
And it's kind of the idea was to bring together ranchers that didn't know about Bitcoin and

494
00:32:27,432 --> 00:32:31,812
Bitcoiners that didn't necessarily know about ranching and get together and mash it up and

495
00:32:31,812 --> 00:32:32,952
actually have conversations.

496
00:32:32,952 --> 00:32:34,212
And it was genius.

497
00:32:34,212 --> 00:32:41,432
I loved it. It was kind of hand of God thing that got me there. I had no plans to. A friend

498
00:32:41,432 --> 00:32:45,832
from Bitcoin Magazine had sent me a message, hey, Tom, I think you'd really like this. Check it out.

499
00:32:46,332 --> 00:32:50,152
I waited until the night before at midnight to buy my ticket. And in the morning, I just hopped

500
00:32:50,152 --> 00:32:58,092
in my car and drove. It's like a five hour drive to get there. And it was really cool. I showed up.

501
00:32:58,092 --> 00:33:06,012
I met people that became big parts of my life there and that still reverberate through my life today.

502
00:33:06,352 --> 00:33:11,772
But the biggest thing was I got a vision of this.

503
00:33:12,032 --> 00:33:15,772
And Slim and I have stayed in touch and been friends ever since.

504
00:33:16,212 --> 00:33:19,012
And he's always like, Tom, why don't you come over and do more with us over at the Be Finishing?

505
00:33:19,012 --> 00:33:22,652
And I was like, well, I have a busy, full life.

506
00:33:22,652 --> 00:33:28,172
I don't really see how I can let any of that go to actually help out with this in a meaningful way.

507
00:33:28,372 --> 00:33:29,572
And so I was always very resistant.

508
00:33:30,552 --> 00:33:36,032
And as I went off on my travels in August, I didn't have any plan to be part of the Beef Initiative, even at that moment.

509
00:33:36,272 --> 00:33:38,352
It was actually really interesting.

510
00:33:38,512 --> 00:33:40,272
I just was kind of going off on this adventure.

511
00:33:41,352 --> 00:33:44,132
I went to a Bitcoin event in New York City.

512
00:33:44,312 --> 00:33:47,692
And right after that, I dropped in on my friend I'd just met in Finland.

513
00:33:48,152 --> 00:33:51,652
I said, hey, I'll come over because he's having a farmer Bitcoin event in Farmington.

514
00:33:51,652 --> 00:33:55,752
Farmington. And so I was like, I'm going to make that happen. I want to see you and your family.

515
00:33:55,892 --> 00:34:00,352
This would be great. See where you live. And so I dropped on that. And sure enough, who was at the

516
00:34:00,352 --> 00:34:07,292
event, but Texas Slim again. And so we reconnected and got a couple of days, even maybe more than a

517
00:34:07,292 --> 00:34:12,112
couple, maybe five days to really hang out together and talk about what was going on. And I was like,

518
00:34:12,112 --> 00:34:17,092
okay, this is interesting. Things have really progressed farther than when I last checked in

519
00:34:17,092 --> 00:34:24,512
with you and things are going ever happened in El Salvador. And I was like, okay, this is great.

520
00:34:24,572 --> 00:34:30,272
I still wasn't committed, but we had this playful banner that we still have to this day where we,

521
00:34:30,372 --> 00:34:35,692
we just tickle each other with jokes that we do very serious work, but we also have a way of,

522
00:34:35,692 --> 00:34:41,212
of lightening it up throughout our work because the work is actually very serious. It's very dark.

523
00:34:41,472 --> 00:34:45,792
And if you don't have some levity inside of all of that, then it's going to be,

524
00:34:45,792 --> 00:34:48,772
it's going to be really crushing on you. So we have that to this day.

525
00:34:51,512 --> 00:34:54,252
And then I went back to my travels. I went, you know,

526
00:34:54,292 --> 00:34:57,092
back to Europe and did some more things there.

527
00:34:57,652 --> 00:35:02,212
And then it came around where there was a adopting Bitcoin was happening in

528
00:35:02,212 --> 00:35:07,932
El Salvador. And Steve Williams has been just right by,

529
00:35:07,992 --> 00:35:10,692
by a slim side for quite a couple of years now,

530
00:35:10,692 --> 00:35:15,032
really helping out a genius man at cattle breeding, cattle genetics,

531
00:35:15,032 --> 00:35:20,512
feeding systems for cattle and has just been a great supporter of slim he invited me to come to

532
00:35:20,512 --> 00:35:24,572
el salvador and stay in the airbnb with him in slim and i was like okay well that's interesting

533
00:35:24,572 --> 00:35:30,412
let's do that and so i said i said sure so let me know how much it is and he put me on the thing

534
00:35:30,412 --> 00:35:37,232
they got the airbnb and when i landed there we spent about 10 days together and it became like

535
00:35:37,232 --> 00:35:44,252
this intense man camp of ideas and strategy and where we can take what was it really going because

536
00:35:44,252 --> 00:35:47,852
I was like, what's really going on? What is the whole point of this beef initiative?

537
00:35:48,172 --> 00:35:52,532
Because it seems much deeper than what I'm understanding. And it was, it actually was

538
00:35:52,532 --> 00:35:57,572
much deeper than what I thought it was. And I didn't really truly understand it till that trip.

539
00:35:57,652 --> 00:36:02,432
I was like, wow, Slim, holy mackerel. This is actually what I've been looking for. I've been

540
00:36:02,432 --> 00:36:06,592
looking for my spot in Bitcoin. And this probably goes to your first question. What have I been doing

541
00:36:06,592 --> 00:36:11,712
for two years? In some ways I've been hiding out from Bitcoin because I didn't know where I fit in.

542
00:36:11,712 --> 00:36:15,592
And I almost launched a podcast and it didn't feel right.

543
00:36:15,892 --> 00:36:18,512
I think Walker's podcast is amazing.

544
00:36:18,672 --> 00:36:19,792
He's a good friend as well.

545
00:36:19,912 --> 00:36:22,012
And I was just on his podcast two days ago.

546
00:36:22,892 --> 00:36:24,632
And he does a phenomenal job.

547
00:36:24,672 --> 00:36:26,312
He does the job I'd want to do if I could do it.

548
00:36:26,352 --> 00:36:28,392
But boy, he has the energy that's unbelievable.

549
00:36:29,312 --> 00:36:30,992
So I didn't want to be that.

550
00:36:32,012 --> 00:36:34,132
I didn't want to work for a company.

551
00:36:34,332 --> 00:36:35,652
That didn't seem right.

552
00:36:36,312 --> 00:36:37,612
But I kind of want to...

553
00:36:37,612 --> 00:36:39,832
My big thing is fighting tyranny.

554
00:36:39,832 --> 00:36:46,232
fighting tyranny and raising consciousness have always been like the two things that are my bedrock

555
00:36:46,232 --> 00:36:51,972
of what I want to do in my life and that trip hanging out with Steve and Slim is when I actually

556
00:36:51,972 --> 00:36:57,592
saw the beef initiative was more than just selling beef boxes to bitcoiners it was way more than it

557
00:36:57,592 --> 00:37:04,572
was actually a whole thing designed to to go and actually peacefully take down tyranny because we

558
00:37:04,572 --> 00:37:10,272
have Bitcoin that can take down tyranny. We have this asymmetric tool of Bitcoin, which is phenomenal.

559
00:37:10,652 --> 00:37:16,652
But if that tool is not used on a purposeful way on the ground, actually doing real work that

560
00:37:16,652 --> 00:37:22,612
actually changes the built world around us, then we're just hodling and waiting for the world to

561
00:37:22,612 --> 00:37:27,292
fall apart so that we can be the rich ones. That seems really awful. That seems really foolish.

562
00:37:27,952 --> 00:37:33,892
And with the Beef Initiative, I saw the thing I wanted most, which is how do we actually bring

563
00:37:33,892 --> 00:37:39,712
down tyrants and raise up the people and actually build sovereignty for all and peace for all.

564
00:37:40,292 --> 00:37:45,972
So Tom, let's actually dig into that. Yeah. Because clearly there's two levels to the

565
00:37:45,972 --> 00:37:51,072
beef initiative. One is the superficial level of understanding, which is, like you said,

566
00:37:51,972 --> 00:37:58,932
shipping boxes of beef to Bitcoiners. And then there's this second layer, this depth that you

567
00:37:58,932 --> 00:38:05,552
found yourself attracted to which is why you made the move there so maybe let's unpack both of those

568
00:38:05,552 --> 00:38:09,152
yeah at the surface what is the beef initiative

569
00:38:09,152 --> 00:38:16,152
the beef initiative is actually very multi-layered it's very complex it's confusing

570
00:38:16,152 --> 00:38:22,932
not necessarily on purpose but it just is because it hasn't had this um it's had a centralized

571
00:38:22,932 --> 00:38:29,732
founder, Texas Slim is definitely, he's a research analyst. He looks like a cowboy and is a cowboy.

572
00:38:29,872 --> 00:38:34,372
He's from Amarillo or near Amarillo, Texas, and he's right from the heart of the ranching world

573
00:38:34,372 --> 00:38:40,672
and knows it deeply and well. But what's not so obvious about Texas Slim is that he's a data

574
00:38:40,672 --> 00:38:46,032
analyst. He actually left his hometown when he was young, when he was college age, went to Austin,

575
00:38:46,032 --> 00:38:55,032
Texas and got deep into the, the, the net, what was happening in high tech at that time,

576
00:38:55,072 --> 00:39:00,712
he got into that basically. He found, landed himself into, he actually got an education from

577
00:39:00,712 --> 00:39:05,732
the University of Texas education system, not by enrolling, but actually just sneaking into

578
00:39:05,732 --> 00:39:10,952
classes and taking the classes he wanted to take and getting the education for free and working

579
00:39:10,952 --> 00:39:16,352
bars at night and uh and actually getting that and becoming so good at that that him and his

580
00:39:16,352 --> 00:39:22,932
friends became hackers that got hired by really smart businessmen that were doing profound things

581
00:39:22,932 --> 00:39:30,872
with technology and got into kind of the prodigy era and working with that prodigy sort of uh

582
00:39:30,872 --> 00:39:37,692
technology that was happening in the the 90s mid 90s and understood what was happening at the

583
00:39:37,692 --> 00:39:42,212
society, the society we're talking, your poem at the beginning is talking to this, what is this,

584
00:39:42,212 --> 00:39:48,312
this game, this Truman show that we're living in. And he was understanding that, but also being

585
00:39:48,312 --> 00:39:52,552
asked to be part of it. And at some point he said, this disgusts me and I'm walking away.

586
00:39:52,692 --> 00:39:58,452
And he did. Um, so he's kind of been the foundation of it for the last seven years.

587
00:39:58,452 --> 00:40:03,712
He's been driving around in pickup trucks. He's gone through several of them all over the country,

588
00:40:03,712 --> 00:40:10,752
collecting data about how this Truman Show actually works, what's driving it, what is the

589
00:40:10,752 --> 00:40:16,572
impetus of it, what is the, why do you desire what you desire? He says this quite often, and

590
00:40:16,572 --> 00:40:21,712
it's an interesting question for each of us to actually look into. Why do I desire what I desire?

591
00:40:21,712 --> 00:40:25,852
Is it my own desire, or has it been programmed into me by this Truman Show?

592
00:40:27,432 --> 00:40:31,932
So the Beef Initiative is, at first, when I first joined it, it was getting ranchers and

593
00:40:31,932 --> 00:40:37,032
Bitcoiners together, it developed into how can we actually change the world through beef?

594
00:40:37,592 --> 00:40:42,852
And that's been a long play, a long game, and it hasn't been well understood.

595
00:40:44,872 --> 00:40:49,432
Maybe kind of on purpose, because Slim's not going to give you easy answers. He's going to

596
00:40:49,432 --> 00:40:54,672
question, he's going to challenge you if you really want to know, here's a tease, go down

597
00:40:54,672 --> 00:40:57,752
this rabbit hole. If you're willing to go down that rabbit hole, then come back to me and I'll

598
00:40:57,752 --> 00:41:02,672
give you another rabbit hole to go down and there's a lot of rabbit holes those before we go

599
00:41:02,672 --> 00:41:08,892
down those rabbit holes tom yeah again for folks who are listening who only have a passing familiarity

600
00:41:08,892 --> 00:41:14,912
with the reef initiative right right so initially the idea was there all of these ranchers independent

601
00:41:14,912 --> 00:41:22,192
ranchers who didn't want to be part of the big meat sort of supply chain and all the nonsense that

602
00:41:22,192 --> 00:41:27,632
actually it's more than nonsense right the insidious insidious absolutely nefarious

603
00:41:27,632 --> 00:41:28,972
and nefarious stuff

604
00:41:28,972 --> 00:41:30,052
that's part of all

605
00:41:30,052 --> 00:41:31,832
and we should probably

606
00:41:31,832 --> 00:41:33,172
even talk about

607
00:41:33,172 --> 00:41:48,068
what that actually entails but it these people who didn want to be part of the system these ranchers And they formed a loose network in which people could order boxes of I guess regenerative meat

608
00:41:48,168 --> 00:41:49,888
All of them were regenerative ranchers.

609
00:41:50,768 --> 00:41:56,668
Presumably grass-fed, grass-finished type of high-quality beef.

610
00:41:56,868 --> 00:42:00,388
And they shipped these boxes of frozen meat to different parts of the country.

611
00:42:00,388 --> 00:42:02,728
and correct me if I'm wrong, Tom,

612
00:42:02,908 --> 00:42:05,688
people could pay in Bitcoin to get these boxes?

613
00:42:06,448 --> 00:42:07,748
Yes, that part's right.

614
00:42:08,748 --> 00:42:13,108
Actually, today, part of the beef initiative is called beefmaps.com

615
00:42:13,108 --> 00:42:15,968
where you can actually go and find those ranchers that are local to you

616
00:42:15,968 --> 00:42:16,948
or even across the country.

617
00:42:17,128 --> 00:42:18,948
Just find who's attracted to you.

618
00:42:20,028 --> 00:42:24,608
Just to say this grass-fed, grass-finished is kind of a sigh-up as well, by the way.

619
00:42:25,208 --> 00:42:29,408
It's put on a lot of labels and pounds of beef in the supermarket

620
00:42:29,408 --> 00:42:31,468
and it's not true and it's not real.

621
00:42:31,808 --> 00:42:34,188
The mislabeling of meat is rampant.

622
00:42:34,288 --> 00:42:36,648
Even if it says American, it's often not.

623
00:42:37,348 --> 00:42:40,668
So, yeah, everybody thinks that they're buying the good stuff

624
00:42:40,668 --> 00:42:42,348
by getting this grass-fed, grass-finished.

625
00:42:42,808 --> 00:42:45,888
You're being psyoped, and that may be a reason to come to Beef Initiative

626
00:42:45,888 --> 00:42:47,908
to actually find out why that is the case

627
00:42:47,908 --> 00:42:50,428
because it's a big rabbit hole too.

628
00:42:51,768 --> 00:42:56,028
But that's not to say grass-fed, grass-finished isn't the best kind of beef, right Tom?

629
00:42:56,408 --> 00:42:59,308
It's not saying it's the best kind.

630
00:42:59,408 --> 00:43:05,308
And actually, there's a lot to it, but I don't want to go down that one right now because we have so much to cover.

631
00:43:05,948 --> 00:43:06,168
Okay.

632
00:43:07,428 --> 00:43:11,328
Let's keep it a little bit more focused because I could easily be distracted down that one.

633
00:43:11,328 --> 00:43:13,268
But I'll say this.

634
00:43:13,348 --> 00:43:20,468
It's something to research, and we have a lot of content on the Beef Initiative Twitter handle that can educate people on that as well.

635
00:43:20,468 --> 00:43:30,228
I would say this that it the beef initiative it is doing that it's connecting you know consumers

636
00:43:30,228 --> 00:43:35,028
to ranchers that sort of thing but it was always moving in a direction that was bigger than that

637
00:43:35,028 --> 00:43:40,488
and it wasn't obvious that was the case but just two days ago we could finally announce the big

638
00:43:40,488 --> 00:43:47,648
move that we've been looking that slim has been working on for years and it's a major coup it's

639
00:43:47,648 --> 00:43:50,768
It's a major asymmetric tool for freedom.

640
00:43:51,728 --> 00:43:59,428
And that was that Texas Slim himself, the person, was able to acquire by himself the domain name Beef.com.

641
00:44:00,888 --> 00:44:02,908
And that's a big deal.

642
00:44:02,908 --> 00:44:15,568
If folks don't know about domain names, you can go out to any domain name company that slings those, and you can buy, you know, mybestbitcoinbeef.com for $12.

643
00:44:15,928 --> 00:44:16,428
No problem.

644
00:44:16,428 --> 00:44:19,928
The longer the domain name is, the less valuable it is.

645
00:44:19,988 --> 00:44:22,068
The more words it has included in it, the less it is.

646
00:44:22,128 --> 00:44:23,888
If they're not English words, it's not worth anything.

647
00:44:24,608 --> 00:44:31,108
So if you have shortenglishwords.com, then it's an incredibly valuable piece of property.

648
00:44:31,388 --> 00:44:32,988
And an example is Michael Saylor.

649
00:44:33,068 --> 00:44:33,908
He has hope.com.

650
00:44:34,388 --> 00:44:35,668
And he doesn't use it to make money.

651
00:44:35,828 --> 00:44:37,108
He uses it to promote Bitcoin.

652
00:44:37,448 --> 00:44:38,788
It's not even .com.

653
00:44:39,588 --> 00:44:43,568
He uses .org in ways, but he knows that .com is more valuable.

654
00:44:43,568 --> 00:44:47,488
So he puts that out there as kind of his front end of teaching about Bitcoin.

655
00:44:48,408 --> 00:44:53,308
Bitcoin.beef has big implications, but I'll pause for a moment so you can steer me here.

656
00:44:54,508 --> 00:44:57,068
No, no, that is a big deal, right?

657
00:44:58,408 --> 00:45:03,668
And beef.com, I've got to imagine, had all sorts of competition.

658
00:45:04,488 --> 00:45:07,108
All sorts of people tried to get their hands on that domain.

659
00:45:08,088 --> 00:45:08,488
Yes.

660
00:45:09,868 --> 00:45:10,968
Yes is a short answer.

661
00:45:11,068 --> 00:45:12,488
There's a longer answer to that, but yes.

662
00:45:12,488 --> 00:45:20,628
No, no, go. So what is the long answer? Because I can only imagine these large meat, industrial meat companies trying to get their hands on that.

663
00:45:20,628 --> 00:45:44,568
You're exactly right. 85% of the meat in America is controlled by four companies. And you can imagine that level of centralization, they're as benevolent as Walmart is, as Amazon is. They're fierce. They're driving quality to the lowest possible levels to maximize the highest amount of profit.

664
00:45:44,568 --> 00:45:48,708
and they were definitely after it.

665
00:45:49,028 --> 00:45:50,188
There was people in the Middle East

666
00:45:50,188 --> 00:45:53,268
with deep, deep reservoirs of capital that were after it.

667
00:45:53,748 --> 00:45:55,528
It was a battle for years,

668
00:45:55,728 --> 00:45:59,028
but for Texas Limit, it was about an 18-month battle.

669
00:45:59,928 --> 00:46:02,148
And at the beginning, he went for it

670
00:46:02,148 --> 00:46:03,748
and then the deal wasn't good.

671
00:46:03,808 --> 00:46:05,188
He walked away from it, actually.

672
00:46:05,408 --> 00:46:07,748
And the owners, I don't know who the owners were

673
00:46:07,748 --> 00:46:09,168
and I don't want to, actually,

674
00:46:09,808 --> 00:46:11,668
but they were good people.

675
00:46:12,148 --> 00:46:12,948
They are good people

676
00:46:12,948 --> 00:46:15,528
because they wanted to go in the hands of a good player,

677
00:46:15,768 --> 00:46:17,468
and they saw that in Texas Slim.

678
00:46:18,008 --> 00:46:23,308
And so they were patient and waited until the deal could be done

679
00:46:23,308 --> 00:46:28,188
and it could actually be transferred to Texas Slim.

680
00:46:28,608 --> 00:46:30,608
That was the most amazing thing possible,

681
00:46:30,608 --> 00:46:33,168
and it was all based on trust, integrity,

682
00:46:33,928 --> 00:46:37,828
and what the intent of using Beef.com was.

683
00:46:37,988 --> 00:46:40,848
And so their belief in the Beef Initiative in Texas Slim

684
00:46:40,848 --> 00:46:42,808
was a huge factor in all of that.

685
00:46:42,948 --> 00:46:53,948
so is the goal then that uh this beef.com becomes the front end um to for education

686
00:46:53,948 --> 00:46:59,648
it's way more than that that is way more than education it's um

687
00:46:59,648 --> 00:47:03,708
i think the best way to say it is

688
00:47:03,708 --> 00:47:10,768
we're talking about the truman show and how we're up against it digitally in so so many ways

689
00:47:10,768 --> 00:47:18,928
this is a digital ranch that has a firewall protection around it that when people interact

690
00:47:18,928 --> 00:47:24,568
with beef.com we will protect your data it will not be sourced out and used against you as a weapon

691
00:47:24,568 --> 00:47:31,048
that transactions can occur here that of many different natures it's not just

692
00:47:31,048 --> 00:47:38,568
ranchers independent ranchers to consumers but it's actually trading everything that's necessary

693
00:47:38,568 --> 00:47:42,908
as capital inside of the ranching world can be traded on this, not just beef.

694
00:47:43,608 --> 00:47:45,648
And that's a big thing.

695
00:47:45,948 --> 00:47:48,428
So we actually have a marketplace that's not controlled.

696
00:47:48,568 --> 00:47:54,408
The data attributes of that transactions are not controlled by the state or the big four

697
00:47:54,408 --> 00:47:56,808
or those people that can create the Truman Show.

698
00:47:57,308 --> 00:48:00,988
It's actually held within our own firewalls, within and protected,

699
00:48:01,488 --> 00:48:04,648
and that we build a whole new index, a whole new database,

700
00:48:04,648 --> 00:48:12,148
a whole new exchange that is fair, open, that can actually help ranchers and save ranchers.

701
00:48:12,528 --> 00:48:19,828
Right now, when you take your cattle to the processing center to be taken from living animals to processed and packaged meat,

702
00:48:20,628 --> 00:48:22,568
they don't get a choice about what price they pay.

703
00:48:22,668 --> 00:48:24,688
They get the price the big boys tell them they get.

704
00:48:25,008 --> 00:48:30,028
Hey, you come up here, it's very cartellish, we'll say, in nature.

705
00:48:30,888 --> 00:48:32,768
And it's dangerous to say such things.

706
00:48:33,448 --> 00:48:35,508
But that's the reality of the world.

707
00:48:36,108 --> 00:48:40,928
And we're giving them a place that, hey, come to this new ranch, this new digital ranch,

708
00:48:41,268 --> 00:48:47,108
and we can actually exchange in a fair way without manipulation, without a lot of the government programs.

709
00:48:47,108 --> 00:48:53,248
Or another huge problem that you can't be a rancher these days, not easily, without taking government money.

710
00:48:53,428 --> 00:48:57,108
And when you take government money, it comes with government obligations about how you do it,

711
00:48:57,468 --> 00:49:01,208
the seeds you use, the fertilizers you use, how you apply those.

712
00:49:01,208 --> 00:49:03,288
And it's not regenerative in nature at all.

713
00:49:04,548 --> 00:49:06,028
There's some positive things.

714
00:49:06,228 --> 00:49:13,128
Our new ag secretary, Brooke Rollins, that we have $700 million that are dedicated to regenerative ranching.

715
00:49:13,488 --> 00:49:14,508
But you know what?

716
00:49:14,788 --> 00:49:18,288
Do you believe that's going to be really done the right way?

717
00:49:18,468 --> 00:49:19,908
I'm not so positive it is.

718
00:49:20,108 --> 00:49:21,068
I hope it is.

719
00:49:21,108 --> 00:49:28,068
And I hope that the Beef Initiative can be a big part of that because we're here to be honest players in actually having ranchers do regenerative ranching.

720
00:49:28,068 --> 00:49:34,988
and not have it as a whitewash, a greenwash, whatever, a meatwash.

721
00:49:35,968 --> 00:49:37,108
We don't want that.

722
00:49:37,168 --> 00:49:38,648
We want the truth to be on the ground,

723
00:49:38,728 --> 00:49:41,688
to actually rebuild soil in a truly regenerative way

724
00:49:41,688 --> 00:49:45,728
using cattle as the best land tools that can be used to do that.

725
00:49:47,008 --> 00:49:49,888
So when you talk about building a marketplace,

726
00:49:50,808 --> 00:49:54,308
is that a consumer-facing marketplace

727
00:49:54,308 --> 00:49:58,028
where consumers can directly source this regenerative beef?

728
00:49:58,068 --> 00:50:04,948
it's both it can be b2c business to consumer it can also be b2b and that's probably the more

729
00:50:04,948 --> 00:50:11,528
interesting side of it is the b2b um one of the huge problems that are in that's inside the ranching

730
00:50:11,528 --> 00:50:19,188
industry is that um and this is the capture if you will that when you raise your cattle you have

731
00:50:19,188 --> 00:50:25,068
to take it to a processing plant and which processing plants are available well it's a lot

732
00:50:25,068 --> 00:50:29,688
of Walmarts and processing plants, the big boys, the big four are the ones, and that's where they

733
00:50:29,688 --> 00:50:35,928
give you the price you get just like at Walmart. But what we've lost is the independent small

734
00:50:35,928 --> 00:50:43,068
processing centers. It used to be in every Texas county, there was a small processing center.

735
00:50:43,628 --> 00:50:48,628
And I grew up in Texas. It's a beautiful place, beautiful little small towns with the county seats

736
00:50:48,628 --> 00:50:49,948
in the middle of the square.

737
00:50:51,148 --> 00:50:56,128
And what changed was those were driven out Walmart-style

738
00:50:56,128 --> 00:50:59,188
by the big boys coming in, and the little guys couldn't compete,

739
00:50:59,308 --> 00:51:01,408
so their little processing plants have been shut down.

740
00:51:02,008 --> 00:51:05,508
One of the goals of the Beef Initiative and Beef.com is,

741
00:51:05,948 --> 00:51:10,428
hey, we're going to give a chance again to rebuild these small microprocessing centers,

742
00:51:10,708 --> 00:51:14,208
and then suddenly everybody has a say as to how we do it,

743
00:51:14,588 --> 00:51:16,828
why we do it, and at what price we do it.

744
00:51:16,828 --> 00:51:20,308
and that's transformative, the thing that's missing,

745
00:51:20,688 --> 00:51:23,048
the thing that's really important that Bitcoiners need to hear

746
00:51:23,048 --> 00:51:27,048
is that there's only three places that this liquidity can come from.

747
00:51:27,588 --> 00:51:29,008
They can either get it from the government,

748
00:51:29,148 --> 00:51:31,408
and when the government comes in, the big boys are in charge

749
00:51:31,408 --> 00:51:33,668
because they write the rules of the USDA.

750
00:51:34,368 --> 00:51:36,868
They can also go to the local banker and beg,

751
00:51:36,968 --> 00:51:38,048
hey, can you give us some money?

752
00:51:38,488 --> 00:51:40,528
But if it's not a profitable business, they're not going to do it.

753
00:51:40,608 --> 00:51:43,988
And the third one that's untapped, but the reason I'm talking to you today,

754
00:51:44,148 --> 00:51:46,748
Avi, and I'm going to be on a lot more podcast in the Bitcoin space,

755
00:51:46,828 --> 00:51:54,088
is that Bitcoiners have capital and they can utilize and deploy that capital to actually make a difference in this world.

756
00:51:54,728 --> 00:52:00,308
And this is one of the places where a small microprocessing center, it may seem expensive to a rancher.

757
00:52:00,448 --> 00:52:02,668
It's two, two and a half, three million dollars.

758
00:52:03,128 --> 00:52:05,128
But to some Bitcoiners, that's nothing.

759
00:52:05,348 --> 00:52:10,528
And doing something like that, even collectively, coming together in a crowdsource sort of way,

760
00:52:11,008 --> 00:52:15,528
we can transform and secure our food systems in America and save the ranchers.

761
00:52:15,528 --> 00:52:19,068
We're losing 47 ranches a day in America.

762
00:52:19,528 --> 00:52:25,168
The suicide rate of ranches is higher than veterans right now because they're losing their family's farm.

763
00:52:25,508 --> 00:52:26,348
And it's devastating.

764
00:52:26,508 --> 00:52:31,688
And there's nothing they can do about it because of the fiat system and because of the trapped Truman Show they're in.

765
00:52:33,088 --> 00:52:34,088
No, absolutely.

766
00:52:34,888 --> 00:52:44,768
And, you know, this is actually Bitcoin as a source of capital, as the modern day Medici in some sense, is a recurring theme on the show, Tom.

767
00:52:44,768 --> 00:52:47,208
whether you're talking to artists, whether you're talking to people

768
00:52:47,208 --> 00:52:49,548
who are trying to break out of other industries as well

769
00:52:49,548 --> 00:52:53,348
as you and Slim are doing with the Beef Initiative.

770
00:52:54,288 --> 00:52:56,608
But would that, so this source of capital,

771
00:52:56,728 --> 00:52:59,288
would that be treated as an investment or as patronage?

772
00:52:59,688 --> 00:53:01,228
No, as an investment for sure.

773
00:53:01,228 --> 00:53:04,148
This is, and the sooner it's done,

774
00:53:04,408 --> 00:53:07,068
the higher that the return on that investment is

775
00:53:07,068 --> 00:53:09,028
because these are early days.

776
00:53:09,268 --> 00:53:10,728
We own what you just mentioned.

777
00:53:10,888 --> 00:53:14,728
Beef.com is a very highly profitable or very valuable domain.

778
00:53:14,768 --> 00:53:20,688
if you would want to help bring this liquidity then you're an early investor in a very lucrative

779
00:53:20,688 --> 00:53:27,328
it's hey it's amazon.com early days and is this thing supposed to be a money maker that's not the

780
00:53:27,328 --> 00:53:33,528
intent or the design of it but it will be because it will be the amazon of beef trading that's

781
00:53:33,528 --> 00:53:38,188
outside of the system it finally gives a safe haven for ranchers and the ranchers are going

782
00:53:38,188 --> 00:53:42,868
to bring capital as well but my invitation is to bitcoiners because i'm a bitcoiner you're a

783
00:53:42,868 --> 00:53:48,228
Bitcoiner and I speak Bitcoiner language. And Slim, he's a Bitcoiner, understands it, but he

784
00:53:48,228 --> 00:53:52,768
doesn't speak the language in the same way that you and I do. And so I'm really the voice, I'm the

785
00:53:52,768 --> 00:53:56,648
director of executive outreach for the Beef Initiative. But what that really means is I'm

786
00:53:56,648 --> 00:54:00,768
the Bitcoiner that talks to Bitcoiners and I'm the Bitcoiner that talks to ranchers and I'm the

787
00:54:00,768 --> 00:54:06,968
Bitcoiner that talks to high net value individuals and to anybody really, because, you know, I'm fine

788
00:54:06,968 --> 00:54:11,968
with that, but I'm really here to say, hey, we have an opportunity as an investment to do something

789
00:54:11,968 --> 00:54:18,248
productive and one notion is save the money save the world i think there's a middle step that we're

790
00:54:18,248 --> 00:54:22,908
missing there which is save the money change change the money change the world is change the money

791
00:54:22,908 --> 00:54:29,748
do something useful with that capital and then we can actually save the world so right and it's great

792
00:54:29,748 --> 00:54:34,588
that that's a running theme in here the the medicis this it's an interesting thing what they

793
00:54:34,588 --> 00:54:38,788
did but it's also when you go to venice it's also really dark as to what happened in those times too

794
00:54:38,788 --> 00:54:44,368
and we don't need that we don't need that darkness and and we should be working as bitcoiners to drive

795
00:54:44,368 --> 00:54:50,908
out that darkness and i'm not asking bitcoiners to sell bitcoin either um that's not part of this

796
00:54:50,908 --> 00:54:56,308
pitch if you will it's really we have banking partners and we have loan people that are

797
00:54:56,308 --> 00:55:02,568
better than what's out there on the retail market of loans that can utilize your bitcoin in a way

798
00:55:02,568 --> 00:55:05,188
that's a much better thing.

799
00:55:05,188 --> 00:55:07,748
I can do testimony to that.

800
00:55:08,328 --> 00:55:09,908
And I'm happy to talk to Bitcoiners

801
00:55:09,908 --> 00:55:11,228
that are interested in doing this

802
00:55:11,228 --> 00:55:13,548
and giving the details one-to-one in private.

803
00:55:14,088 --> 00:55:15,848
But there is an opportunity there

804
00:55:15,848 --> 00:55:18,088
to deploy without actually selling your Bitcoin.

805
00:55:20,468 --> 00:55:23,148
So, Amy, anyone listening to the show,

806
00:55:23,748 --> 00:55:26,628
if you need to reach out to Tom,

807
00:55:26,728 --> 00:55:27,668
you can find him on Nostra.

808
00:55:27,748 --> 00:55:30,328
You can obviously reach out to me

809
00:55:30,328 --> 00:55:31,948
and I can connect you to Tom.

810
00:55:32,568 --> 00:55:33,228
as well.

811
00:55:33,264 --> 00:55:39,104
interested in participating in this revolution, honestly, Tom, what you're building.

812
00:55:39,344 --> 00:55:41,464
But, you know, you're talking about a marketplace.

813
00:55:43,444 --> 00:55:46,684
I'm guessing that means it's a nationwide marketplace, right?

814
00:55:46,744 --> 00:55:49,204
It's not going to be localized to one state.

815
00:55:49,604 --> 00:55:54,604
It'll be regenerative branches trying to step out of the system all over the country.

816
00:55:55,384 --> 00:55:56,824
Nope, it will not be.

817
00:55:57,364 --> 00:55:59,484
It will be global in nature.

818
00:56:00,084 --> 00:56:01,304
Oh, global, even more so.

819
00:56:01,304 --> 00:56:01,544
Okay.

820
00:56:03,264 --> 00:56:16,204
I think so that makes actually my question even more interesting, which is how does quality assure?

821
00:56:16,384 --> 00:56:21,544
I mean, ultimately, we can't have this on a trust me bro basis.

822
00:56:21,824 --> 00:56:22,844
No, we cannot.

823
00:56:23,364 --> 00:56:31,924
So how do you, you're running the marketplace and you have ranches from Australia, Uruguay, Paraguay, wherever,

824
00:56:31,924 --> 00:56:38,384
reaching out to you saying, we want to use this. How do you know that they're telling the truth?

825
00:56:39,164 --> 00:56:46,404
Right, right. And it's a tricky problem. The actual investment will be shares and the details

826
00:56:46,404 --> 00:56:51,184
of how those shares are actually distributed and secured. We're not revealing that right now,

827
00:56:51,184 --> 00:56:55,144
but if we're having talks with serious investors, we can reveal more about that then.

828
00:56:56,004 --> 00:57:00,004
So it's something we need to keep close to the chest at this moment because

829
00:57:00,004 --> 00:57:03,124
we are under high scrutiny right now.

830
00:57:03,324 --> 00:57:04,924
So we can't reveal that right now.

831
00:57:05,864 --> 00:57:08,084
But again, there is no trust me bro here

832
00:57:08,084 --> 00:57:09,804
because I would not be involved in this

833
00:57:09,804 --> 00:57:12,144
if it was a trust me bro pump and dump scam.

834
00:57:12,524 --> 00:57:16,584
I wouldn't put my reputation and my life on the line for this.

835
00:57:17,804 --> 00:57:19,744
One thing I'd throw out there, Tom,

836
00:57:19,984 --> 00:57:23,544
is Nostra is actually really good for this, right?

837
00:57:23,544 --> 00:57:27,964
You have people with NPubs, right?

838
00:57:27,964 --> 00:57:30,824
a key pair essentially, a cryptographic key pair

839
00:57:30,824 --> 00:57:33,104
that their reputation is tied to.

840
00:57:34,244 --> 00:57:38,484
And there are people building marketplaces on Nostra,

841
00:57:38,564 --> 00:57:40,864
not for beef, obviously, but for other things.

842
00:57:42,104 --> 00:57:45,944
And it will use the reputation system

843
00:57:45,944 --> 00:57:48,764
that comes out of Nostra by default, right?

844
00:57:48,764 --> 00:57:52,224
Because it is the same key pair that you use

845
00:57:52,224 --> 00:57:53,564
not just to post on Primal,

846
00:57:54,104 --> 00:57:57,804
but to buy something on the Nostra marketplace app.

847
00:57:57,964 --> 00:58:01,364
or to listen to a podcast and support it on Fountain, right?

848
00:58:01,484 --> 00:58:02,964
And so on and so forth.

849
00:58:03,764 --> 00:58:05,824
Your reputation is tied to that key pair.

850
00:58:06,504 --> 00:58:10,884
It might be an interesting thing to consider a Nostra integration.

851
00:58:11,004 --> 00:58:12,284
I don't know if you've thought about that, Tom,

852
00:58:12,344 --> 00:58:16,704
but there are a lot of tools within the Nostra ecosystem,

853
00:58:16,704 --> 00:58:18,224
such as Web of Trust,

854
00:58:18,824 --> 00:58:24,124
that are really well suited for solving these slightly gnarly problems, right?

855
00:58:24,184 --> 00:58:26,784
The Trust Me Bro problem, which is what Fiat is, right?

856
00:58:26,784 --> 00:58:33,564
How fiat solved the trust me role problem is by saying, no, if you don't trust me, I'm going to kill you or something, or you're out, right?

857
00:58:33,564 --> 00:58:42,244
Whereas here, you can have people verify the reputations of their counterparties just by the behavior that's tied to their keeper.

858
00:58:43,084 --> 00:58:48,724
Fortunately, you're preaching to the choir here, Avi, that Nostra is a huge part of our strategy already.

859
00:58:49,344 --> 00:58:53,524
And we haven't revealed that because we've just revealed that we have beef.com.

860
00:58:53,524 --> 00:58:58,484
So this is an unveiling over time as to exactly what our plan is.

861
00:58:58,904 --> 00:59:00,364
It's not just using NOSR.

862
00:59:00,444 --> 00:59:10,664
It's not just using keys, but also a secure, private, international communication system that's physically untied from the Internet.

863
00:59:10,984 --> 00:59:18,324
That actually has a way to communicate around the world in a trusted way, definitely using NOSR technology as part of that.

864
00:59:19,304 --> 00:59:21,124
And at all levels.

865
00:59:21,264 --> 00:59:22,984
We're deeply involved in El Salvador.

866
00:59:22,984 --> 00:59:25,924
I can talk a little bit about that, but I know we're taking a break here soon.

867
00:59:26,104 --> 00:59:29,104
We can maybe hit on that after a break. Is that right?

868
00:59:29,984 --> 00:59:32,024
Yes. Thank you, Tommy.

869
00:59:32,164 --> 00:59:37,604
I was actually so engrossed in the conversation, I completely forgot that we are at the hour mark.

870
00:59:38,744 --> 00:59:43,104
So we're heading back into the trenches for this one.

871
00:59:44,444 --> 00:59:49,864
I know you guys loved it when I played Polanski a few weeks ago.

872
00:59:50,224 --> 00:59:51,424
So I had to bring them back.

873
00:59:51,424 --> 00:59:59,804
this band has mastered that specific gritty 90s frequency that feeling of raw instruments

874
00:59:59,804 --> 01:00:07,864
pushing air into a damp room so this track by polanski is called through and honestly it's

875
01:00:07,864 --> 01:00:14,884
almost the motto for the show this episode even the only way out of the relentless noise of the

876
01:00:14,884 --> 01:00:23,324
fiat matrix is through so check your volume level folks this baseline is going to rattle your desk

877
01:00:23,324 --> 01:00:25,184
let's go

878
01:00:44,884 --> 01:00:48,904
Weigh like a stone

879
01:00:48,904 --> 01:00:53,224
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880
01:00:53,224 --> 01:00:56,004
Unumbring like a mist

881
01:00:56,004 --> 01:00:58,524
All tied around

882
01:00:58,524 --> 01:01:02,184
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883
01:01:02,184 --> 01:01:04,944
Discretion

884
01:01:04,944 --> 01:01:09,324
A proposition

885
01:01:09,324 --> 01:01:10,684
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886
01:01:10,684 --> 01:01:14,004
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887
01:01:14,004 --> 01:01:14,164
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888
01:01:14,164 --> 01:01:14,764
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889
01:01:14,764 --> 01:01:16,204
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890
01:01:16,204 --> 01:01:16,484
Up

891
01:01:16,484 --> 01:01:16,744
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892
01:01:16,884 --> 01:01:18,044
People

893
01:01:18,044 --> 01:01:19,164
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894
01:01:19,704 --> 01:01:20,464
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895
01:01:20,464 --> 01:01:21,244
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896
01:01:21,244 --> 01:01:22,284
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897
01:01:22,284 --> 01:01:35,244
Sincere

898
01:01:36,024 --> 01:01:37,244
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899
01:01:37,244 --> 01:01:37,404
If

900
01:01:37,984 --> 01:01:38,704
Lord

901
01:01:38,704 --> 01:01:48,604
How small the world has made you

902
01:01:48,604 --> 01:01:54,664
I'm coming through

903
01:01:54,664 --> 01:02:00,384
I'm coming through

904
01:02:00,384 --> 01:02:05,704
I'm coming through

905
01:02:05,704 --> 01:02:16,564
Big house of bones

906
01:02:16,564 --> 01:02:24,144
I come and meet for a lead to bend the ghost

907
01:02:24,144 --> 01:02:26,704
Up to my cross

908
01:02:26,704 --> 01:02:32,104
Because you don't know what to do

909
01:02:32,104 --> 01:02:43,064
Oh, so small the world has made you

910
01:03:02,104 --> 01:03:12,344
Enough with what you have your guns

911
01:03:12,344 --> 01:03:15,884
It's almost starting

912
01:03:15,884 --> 01:03:20,524
Attempted revolution

913
01:03:20,524 --> 01:03:27,624
I'm coming through

914
01:03:27,624 --> 01:03:33,124
I'm coming through

915
01:03:33,124 --> 01:03:38,624
I'm coming through

916
01:03:38,624 --> 01:03:44,364
Through you

917
01:03:44,364 --> 01:03:49,124
I'm coming through

918
01:03:49,124 --> 01:03:54,624
I'm coming through

919
01:03:54,624 --> 01:04:00,724
I'm coming through

920
01:04:00,724 --> 01:04:05,624
Through you

921
01:04:05,624 --> 01:04:22,544
That was through by Polanski

922
01:04:22,544 --> 01:04:30,804
If the last Polanski song I played was Stone Temple Pilots, then this one is definitely Alice in Chains.

923
01:04:31,244 --> 01:04:35,044
The guitar tone sounds like a bus saw cutting through the mix.

924
01:04:35,544 --> 01:04:40,524
And the way the vocals are buried just slightly under that wall of distortion,

925
01:04:40,944 --> 01:04:46,364
it gives this claustrophobic, desperate energy that just drives you forward.

926
01:04:47,184 --> 01:04:49,624
It's the perfect soundtrack for the build.

927
01:04:49,624 --> 01:04:57,884
when number go down then the multi-generational savings you thought you had will now only last

928
01:04:57,884 --> 01:05:05,644
until next tuesday and then you just put your head down and you power through polanski is keeping

929
01:05:05,644 --> 01:05:13,884
that raw alternative spirit alive in the open music ecosystem i've got 90 splits set up in this

930
01:05:13,884 --> 01:05:21,644
chapter if that track gave you the adrenaline you needed to finish the week strong then hit that

931
01:05:21,644 --> 01:05:30,464
rewind button by a minute or two and send them a boost tom we were talking about uh you being in

932
01:05:30,464 --> 01:05:36,584
finland this is actually a finnish grunge band that somehow sounds like they're from seattle

933
01:05:36,584 --> 01:05:43,524
you're right in point these guys are alice and change very like great vocals great guitar yeah

934
01:05:43,524 --> 01:05:50,324
that's that's some serious stuff uh one of one of texas slum's really good friends is adam curry

935
01:05:50,324 --> 01:05:56,124
who's the known as the father of podcasting but he's also for us older folks we remember back in

936
01:05:56,124 --> 01:06:03,484
the beginnings of mtv as a video dj and uh he he started the whole value for value concept which i

937
01:06:03,484 --> 01:06:08,504
think is phenomenal i think it's the way we incentivize good behavior in this world because

938
01:06:08,504 --> 01:06:14,204
part of this Truman Show we keep pointing back to is they're stealing your data through likes,

939
01:06:14,444 --> 01:06:19,344
and likes are crap. Zaps are so much better because it's true value for value, and the

940
01:06:19,344 --> 01:06:24,344
centralized systems don't have any authority or any ability to steal it. So heck yeah,

941
01:06:24,524 --> 01:06:27,344
give props to those folks. They're rocking it, man. That's awesome.

942
01:06:28,284 --> 01:06:33,144
Yeah. And Adam Curry obviously started this. I think he has this boostogram ball.

943
01:06:33,784 --> 01:06:36,264
That might have been one of the very first shows

944
01:06:36,264 --> 01:06:39,784
where on RSS and podcasting 2.0,

945
01:06:39,844 --> 01:06:42,204
where there'd be songs playing from these independent artists

946
01:06:42,204 --> 01:06:44,944
and people could boost the artist directly.

947
01:06:45,564 --> 01:06:49,184
So certainly taking a leaf out of his book,

948
01:06:49,464 --> 01:06:53,484
maybe three of how many ever years after he started this trend.

949
01:06:54,344 --> 01:06:58,544
But we were talking about, you know,

950
01:06:58,584 --> 01:07:02,844
building these resilient decentralized systems for the marketplace, right?

951
01:07:02,844 --> 01:07:07,264
with this really priced asset that you have in the domain, beef.com.

952
01:07:08,624 --> 01:07:23,490
I know there a lot under wraps but I just want to put it out there We talked about it Nostoy so maybe that definitely something that under consideration There are you know speaking of the Meshtadel communities these permaculturists

953
01:07:23,490 --> 01:07:29,190
and these people who are building these mesh networks that are outside of the existing Internet,

954
01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:36,150
there are folks, Tom, a friend of the show, Shadrach, and several others,

955
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:41,050
doing amazing things in Austin in building these resilient parallel systems

956
01:07:41,050 --> 01:07:44,110
that are not reliant on the existing internet, existing infrastructure.

957
01:07:45,010 --> 01:07:48,770
So if you're interested, more than happy to connect with that.

958
01:07:49,010 --> 01:07:53,070
We're very interested in talking to those folks, actually.

959
01:07:53,450 --> 01:08:00,750
And I personally am a mesh-tastic tinker as well around the property that I have as well.

960
01:08:00,750 --> 01:08:12,850
So, yeah, if you guys have interest in doing core level communication network stuff, we have some real work that things that we're already working on.

961
01:08:12,930 --> 01:08:15,730
And if there's suggestions, hit us up.

962
01:08:15,790 --> 01:08:16,630
Hit me up personally.

963
01:08:16,790 --> 01:08:18,830
I'd love to talk to you more about it for sure.

964
01:08:19,470 --> 01:08:26,290
So, Shadrach, if you're listening, I don't know if you're on the live stream, but I'm sure you'll listen to the podcast.

965
01:08:26,290 --> 01:08:32,590
I think we may have reached out or somehow I think there we have there's some minimal connection, but an actual true connection would be really great.

966
01:08:33,330 --> 01:08:36,470
Yeah. And they're doing some amazing stuff out in Austin.

967
01:08:37,330 --> 01:08:37,610
Perfect.

968
01:08:37,830 --> 01:08:43,910
And more news coming out on that soon. So, yeah, happy to to bring that connection.

969
01:08:46,910 --> 01:08:50,830
Let's see. I'm trying to go back to the thread.

970
01:08:51,130 --> 01:08:53,890
Well, I can I can pick up some of this, actually.

971
01:08:53,890 --> 01:09:01,670
I mentioned right before the music break El Salvador, and there's some big news for the Beef Initiative there as well.

972
01:09:03,030 --> 01:09:13,310
There's been several countries that reached out to Texas Slim and said, hey, we would like to build a new cattle system within our country, a new food security system.

973
01:09:14,490 --> 01:09:20,270
And, you know, Slim's traveled kind of all over to North Thailand.

974
01:09:20,270 --> 01:09:22,190
He's been to Africa.

975
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:23,310
He's been to Australia.

976
01:09:23,890 --> 01:09:28,490
South America, Central America, Canada, the U.S., of course.

977
01:09:29,330 --> 01:09:36,150
And the thing that just kind of bubbled to the surface, bubbled to the top was El Salvador as the place to really get started.

978
01:09:36,430 --> 01:09:39,850
And it wasn't just because it was Bitcoin country, but that's certainly a nice thing.

979
01:09:39,950 --> 01:09:42,310
It was more than that.

980
01:09:42,350 --> 01:09:50,730
It was actually having President V. Kelly as this person who's willing to do anything to make his country a better place.

981
01:09:50,730 --> 01:10:02,150
You know, and Bitcoin's part of that, but really he's doing transformative things to really lift up his people, to invite in a reverse brain drain is the way I've heard it described.

982
01:10:02,270 --> 01:10:06,070
But I think just a brain magnet is a better way to say it to his country.

983
01:10:06,290 --> 01:10:09,290
And Westerners from all over the world have landed there.

984
01:10:09,770 --> 01:10:10,750
There's a strong community.

985
01:10:10,930 --> 01:10:14,430
I've been part of that community on the number of trips I've been there now.

986
01:10:14,570 --> 01:10:16,990
And it's pretty amazing what's going on.

987
01:10:17,730 --> 01:10:18,790
It's exciting.

988
01:10:18,930 --> 01:10:19,590
It's transformative.

989
01:10:19,590 --> 01:10:24,710
If you're a Bitcoiner that wants to be in development and you don't know what to do, find your way to El Salvador.

990
01:10:25,090 --> 01:10:30,670
You know, there's open arms for people that have great big ideas and want to collaborate on those ideas.

991
01:10:32,710 --> 01:10:35,530
But as part of that, it was really slim.

992
01:10:35,690 --> 01:10:44,650
He negotiated with the country of El Salvador a contract to actually launch a whole new cattle industry in their country.

993
01:10:44,650 --> 01:10:51,850
The country's been ravaged by civil war and then the cartel or just the gangs that have been there for however long.

994
01:10:51,970 --> 01:10:55,670
It's over 20 years and it's been devastating in so many ways.

995
01:10:55,750 --> 01:11:01,070
And I've talked to so many Salvadorans that have returned from the United States there and so many that actually lived through it as well.

996
01:11:01,150 --> 01:11:03,370
And the stories are heartbreaking.

997
01:11:04,430 --> 01:11:06,530
The fortitude of the people is stunning.

998
01:11:07,850 --> 01:11:10,530
The shape of the country is quite amazing.

999
01:11:10,530 --> 01:11:15,830
There's a lot of infrastructure problems still, but I've spent a lot of time in Peru specifically.

1000
01:11:16,250 --> 01:11:20,510
And in Peru, there's a lot of similar problems, but all the problems are getting worse in Peru.

1001
01:11:21,090 --> 01:11:25,490
And in El Salvador, I see those same problems getting better and better each time I go back.

1002
01:11:25,590 --> 01:11:28,730
And so that's pretty stunning and encouraging.

1003
01:11:28,990 --> 01:11:33,690
The hope there is off the charts more so than any other country I've seen in the world.

1004
01:11:33,690 --> 01:11:41,470
and this contract is actually we're bringing cattle from america down to el salvador to

1005
01:11:41,470 --> 01:11:46,590
relaunch it and a lot of the bitcoiners have had that i've talked to that that heard about this

1006
01:11:46,590 --> 01:11:52,010
kind of misunderstands well the beef in el salvador is just not very good at all why is that

1007
01:11:52,010 --> 01:11:56,470
and there is some weird rumor that it was due to the grass or the water or the soil or something

1008
01:11:56,470 --> 01:12:02,610
and it's like no no it's just due to the genetics of bad cows and why would they have bad cows there

1009
01:12:02,610 --> 01:12:06,450
Well, if they'd had good cows there, those would have been stolen or killed.

1010
01:12:06,750 --> 01:12:08,050
And that's exactly what happened.

1011
01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:10,130
We talked to a lady.

1012
01:12:10,610 --> 01:12:12,870
Steve actually talked to this lady a few weeks ago.

1013
01:12:13,350 --> 01:12:15,210
And she had hundreds of head of cows.

1014
01:12:15,310 --> 01:12:18,950
She's a wonderful cattle rancher woman there.

1015
01:12:19,490 --> 01:12:22,210
And the gangs came with machine guns.

1016
01:12:22,410 --> 01:12:25,950
And they slaughtered, shot down in cold blood right in front of her face.

1017
01:12:26,290 --> 01:12:27,730
Hundreds of cows with machine guns.

1018
01:12:27,730 --> 01:12:31,130
And just what a heartbreaking, devastating.

1019
01:12:31,130 --> 01:12:37,190
off, just to be stolen from is just a devastating thing. But to have the animals you've cared for

1020
01:12:37,190 --> 01:12:40,790
and loved just killed right in front of you, just, you can imagine.

1021
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:41,830
Why did they do that, Joe?

1022
01:12:41,830 --> 01:12:47,810
They did it because that's what evil does. Evil kills food systems. When you kill the food system,

1023
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:52,150
you control the population. And that's what tyranny does. We see it over and over again

1024
01:12:52,150 --> 01:12:57,250
throughout the world. When tyranny rises up, the first thing they do is kill the food,

1025
01:12:57,250 --> 01:13:01,090
and then the people can't resist because they can't eat.

1026
01:13:01,630 --> 01:13:04,310
I was in Cambodia many years ago

1027
01:13:04,310 --> 01:13:06,230
and when Pol Pot came up there,

1028
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:09,310
the devastation that came behind that revolution

1029
01:13:09,310 --> 01:13:10,370
was outrageous.

1030
01:13:10,710 --> 01:13:13,630
The Bolshevik revolution, just throughout,

1031
01:13:13,810 --> 01:13:16,430
you see this devastation and it's tyranny does.

1032
01:13:16,990 --> 01:13:18,410
And it's happening right now, today.

1033
01:13:18,530 --> 01:13:20,090
It's not some far off in the future,

1034
01:13:20,170 --> 01:13:20,910
maybe this will happen.

1035
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:23,830
We see an attack on the U.S. food system.

1036
01:13:23,830 --> 01:13:29,950
this losing the ranches 57 a day is not by accident it's by design it's centralization

1037
01:13:29,950 --> 01:13:36,090
it's cbdc it's track and trace control it's the truman show but not the funny go happy lucky

1038
01:13:36,090 --> 01:13:42,110
truman show it's the dystopian hunger games show that we're talking about and we're really facing

1039
01:13:42,110 --> 01:13:48,770
that and that's what beef.com is here to do is to actually fight against that with true power of

1040
01:13:48,770 --> 01:13:53,390
having a name that's recognized that can speak truth because there's so many lies and deceptions

1041
01:13:53,390 --> 01:13:55,350
out there around beef and the beef industry.

1042
01:13:56,890 --> 01:14:00,970
Is it fair to think of these large industrial producers

1043
01:14:00,970 --> 01:14:04,890
and the state as essentially one entity?

1044
01:14:05,670 --> 01:14:09,770
Of course. Come on. Let's look at government. Come on.

1045
01:14:10,290 --> 01:14:13,410
Do you think our congressmen have any choice in the bills they do?

1046
01:14:13,930 --> 01:14:15,370
They don't. They're captured.

1047
01:14:15,970 --> 01:14:18,670
A congressperson, their only choice is whoever put them in office,

1048
01:14:18,670 --> 01:14:21,550
they pass it off, and it doesn't really matter what color they are.

1049
01:14:21,550 --> 01:14:23,530
They're captured by corporate interest.

1050
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:28,110
The laws that get passed are not for the benefit of the American people.

1051
01:14:28,610 --> 01:14:29,350
It just isn't.

1052
01:14:30,190 --> 01:14:32,910
And that's what's happening in these regulations as well.

1053
01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:33,810
They're captured.

1054
01:14:34,050 --> 01:14:43,570
Does the medical industry, is the controlling boards over the medical field, is it being influenced by the medical pharmaceutical companies?

1055
01:14:44,030 --> 01:14:44,450
Yes.

1056
01:14:45,090 --> 01:14:48,690
Is the food being controlled by those big producers?

1057
01:14:48,970 --> 01:14:49,330
Yes.

1058
01:14:49,330 --> 01:14:55,890
is the military industrial complex do the military contractors the companies that make all those

1059
01:14:55,890 --> 01:15:02,550
weapons have any influence on government yes we're under attack and we the people we the people have

1060
01:15:02,550 --> 01:15:07,010
the right to have a government and we the people do not want to rise up with guns we want to rise

1061
01:15:07,010 --> 01:15:15,590
up with better non-violent ideas bitcoin nostr and beef.com are examples of that and i'm here to just

1062
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:16,530
Let you guys know.

1063
01:15:16,590 --> 01:15:18,470
And if you don't think it's right, don't trust.

1064
01:15:18,610 --> 01:15:18,970
Verify.

1065
01:15:19,150 --> 01:15:20,010
Actually, come verify.

1066
01:15:20,270 --> 01:15:20,810
Please do.

1067
01:15:21,430 --> 01:15:22,010
Please come.

1068
01:15:22,850 --> 01:15:23,790
Bring your research.

1069
01:15:25,790 --> 01:15:28,710
Actually, Ken, I would, not to verify, Tom,

1070
01:15:28,770 --> 01:15:30,690
but I'd actually just love to visit to see.

1071
01:15:31,410 --> 01:15:31,610
Yeah.

1072
01:15:32,650 --> 01:15:37,390
But what would be a good place just to come and see things that are happening?

1073
01:15:37,390 --> 01:15:41,330
The place that you can actually get the most information is our Twitter feed

1074
01:15:41,330 --> 01:15:42,490
called The Beef Initiative.

1075
01:15:43,230 --> 01:15:49,550
So the Beef Initiative has a long string of content that kind of demonstrates this, shows this.

1076
01:15:50,250 --> 01:15:53,090
Beef News is another one of our Twitter handles.

1077
01:15:53,470 --> 01:15:54,310
Check that out as well.

1078
01:15:54,930 --> 01:15:57,790
Beefmaps.com, of course, if you're looking for beef, that's a good place there.

1079
01:15:57,790 --> 01:16:01,750
Or if you're a rancher looking to get involved, ask us about how to get involved in that.

1080
01:16:03,150 --> 01:16:05,990
Modern T-Man is Texas Slim's Twitter handle.

1081
01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:13,290
My Twitter handle is TomTaberHodl, so T-O-M-T-A-B-E-R-H-O-D-L.

1082
01:16:14,810 --> 01:16:19,990
And then Beef.com, right now it's pretty sparse.

1083
01:16:20,250 --> 01:16:23,230
It has a video and an email, like put your email there.

1084
01:16:23,710 --> 01:16:27,050
Because on the back end, we just actually transferred the domain.

1085
01:16:27,230 --> 01:16:29,410
So when you transfer domain, it can be rather risky.

1086
01:16:29,590 --> 01:16:32,610
There's nefarious actors that want to grab such things.

1087
01:16:32,610 --> 01:16:37,790
so we're taking our time with security and making sure that when we launch the real thing that we're

1088
01:16:37,790 --> 01:16:41,930
doing it the right way and we'll do it our own time because there's a lot of ideas that are that

1089
01:16:41,930 --> 01:16:47,610
are behind that we would love to have bitcoiners and developers that are interested in and being

1090
01:16:47,610 --> 01:16:52,830
part of this movement hey we could really use some really good people and if you have really

1091
01:16:52,830 --> 01:16:59,210
high technical skills in in all all those areas that that we would love to have a conversation

1092
01:16:59,210 --> 01:17:01,030
with you. So you can reach out to me directly

1093
01:17:01,030 --> 01:17:03,170
or go

1094
01:17:03,170 --> 01:17:04,830
through the forums on the website too.

1095
01:17:07,050 --> 01:17:09,050
Yeah, and I'll put all the stuff in the show notes

1096
01:17:09,050 --> 01:17:10,390
so that people can get it.

1097
01:17:10,390 --> 01:17:13,190
We're not at the end yet, but I'm kind of putting the end stuff in the middle

1098
01:17:13,190 --> 01:17:13,950
here a little bit.

1099
01:17:14,750 --> 01:17:17,210
You know, you're talking

1100
01:17:17,210 --> 01:17:17,690
about

1101
01:17:17,690 --> 01:17:21,110
the big ag or big beef

1102
01:17:21,110 --> 01:17:23,230
and essentially the state being

1103
01:17:23,230 --> 01:17:24,750
one entity. Yes, I mean that's

1104
01:17:24,750 --> 01:17:27,290
in every industry that is the case. The big banks

1105
01:17:27,290 --> 01:17:29,630
are the state. For all intents and purposes,

1106
01:17:29,770 --> 01:17:30,490
there is no difference.

1107
01:17:30,970 --> 01:17:33,050
But if you think about

1108
01:17:33,050 --> 01:17:34,630
that entity, right?

1109
01:17:34,930 --> 01:17:37,270
We can just talk about the

1110
01:17:37,270 --> 01:17:38,930
beef in this case.

1111
01:17:39,630 --> 01:17:41,290
And let's play

1112
01:17:41,290 --> 01:17:43,130
out their endgame, as

1113
01:17:43,130 --> 01:17:44,190
it appears anyway,

1114
01:17:44,990 --> 01:17:46,490
and assume they're successful.

1115
01:17:47,250 --> 01:17:48,010
To me,

1116
01:17:49,530 --> 01:17:51,350
they're no different from a

1117
01:17:51,350 --> 01:17:53,270
virus, because a virus's endgame

1118
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:54,730
is the host body dies.

1119
01:17:54,730 --> 01:18:00,470
and if they're successful that's what's going to happen and then what happens i mean as as

1120
01:18:00,470 --> 01:18:05,190
bitcoiners we kind of know what we're up against what's the only thing keeping the government from

1121
01:18:05,190 --> 01:18:12,590
implementing a cbdc it's it's it's bitcoin and it's nostr because we both have to have free money

1122
01:18:12,590 --> 01:18:18,150
and we have to have free communications and if we didn't have those two things they would have

1123
01:18:18,150 --> 01:18:23,930
implemented cbdc it'd be an open-air prison for all and we they they don't have to actually put

1124
01:18:23,930 --> 01:18:28,770
in actual prisons because they just control your money and your food. Hey, you act up,

1125
01:18:28,810 --> 01:18:33,050
you say the wrong thing. You talk like we're talking right now. Hey, you're cut off. Your

1126
01:18:33,050 --> 01:18:38,010
bank account is closed. You've actually been subversive. You've talked, you've spoken ill

1127
01:18:38,010 --> 01:18:41,090
against the government as they do in England. And what do they do in England? We're already

1128
01:18:41,090 --> 01:18:46,470
seeing it happen there. It would happen everywhere. Without Bitcoin, without Nostra, it all would

1129
01:18:46,470 --> 01:19:00,156
be lost But the next attack is on the food systems And that where the battle is really happening on the ground in real time in physical space It not a technological thing It in physical space And we need to physically go secure

1130
01:19:00,156 --> 01:19:05,936
our beef because, okay, so Bitcoiners, you can go to beefmount.com. You can shake your rancher's

1131
01:19:05,936 --> 01:19:10,856
hand. Who's your neighbor? You can order beef from him. But if his ranch goes under, where's

1132
01:19:10,856 --> 01:19:17,896
your beef now? You become a beef beggar and it's gone. Do you, can you make your own beef? Can,

1133
01:19:17,896 --> 01:19:22,456
do you have it in your backyard? Do you have your cow in your backyard? If you don't, then it's all

1134
01:19:22,456 --> 01:19:27,636
lost. So what I'm talking about is quite serious. You can build citadels. If you have your permaculture

1135
01:19:27,636 --> 01:19:32,776
citadel, great. You have your air, your food, your water, your shelter, your security, your

1136
01:19:32,776 --> 01:19:37,496
communications all secured. But if it all goes to Mad Max, are you going to eat carrots and potatoes

1137
01:19:37,496 --> 01:19:41,436
for the rest of your life? Where's your beef going to come from? You can eat chickens, but do you

1138
01:19:41,436 --> 01:19:45,496
have your own cow? Maybe you ought to. And if you have your own cow, do you have the whole

1139
01:19:45,496 --> 01:19:50,696
infrastructure and network to support that cow. And then the real deal is have your own ranch.

1140
01:19:51,076 --> 01:19:55,636
And, you know, that's what part of the VF initiative. Slim has a whole thing called Texas

1141
01:19:55,636 --> 01:20:02,136
Slim's Land and Cattle Company, which we could actually build turnkey ranches. And this would

1142
01:20:02,136 --> 01:20:05,356
be great for Bitcoiners that want to build that kind of citadel that don't know how to do it.

1143
01:20:05,776 --> 01:20:10,176
We have teams all over Texas that have all the skills to do that. And we're happy to do that.

1144
01:20:10,176 --> 01:20:13,896
but that's not going to be available to all Bitcoiners.

1145
01:20:14,076 --> 01:20:15,776
If you can help out in whatever ways,

1146
01:20:15,896 --> 01:20:17,676
with whatever resources you can,

1147
01:20:18,116 --> 01:20:20,076
this is the real battle against tyranny

1148
01:20:20,076 --> 01:20:21,516
is right here in our food system.

1149
01:20:21,716 --> 01:20:23,376
And it's not about carrots and potatoes.

1150
01:20:23,376 --> 01:20:25,316
It's about beef because beef is the only,

1151
01:20:25,496 --> 01:20:28,636
the only food that has high density saturated fats.

1152
01:20:28,976 --> 01:20:31,736
And the government just corrected the food pyramid

1153
01:20:31,736 --> 01:20:34,436
and turned it upside down and saturated fats.

1154
01:20:34,536 --> 01:20:35,536
They're talking about beef.

1155
01:20:35,936 --> 01:20:38,576
That's the healthy food, the healthy food forever.

1156
01:20:38,576 --> 01:20:40,856
but they lied to us about the food pyramid.

1157
01:20:41,596 --> 01:20:45,796
So if you really want to secure our freedom as Americans,

1158
01:20:46,336 --> 01:20:48,036
let's really secure our food network,

1159
01:20:48,156 --> 01:20:50,636
and the ranchers could really use our help technologically,

1160
01:20:51,316 --> 01:20:55,776
liquidity-wise, whatever ways, communications-wise, all of it.

1161
01:20:56,376 --> 01:20:58,936
This is a serious call to action that I'm here for.

1162
01:21:03,036 --> 01:21:04,836
It's great that you're talking about this, Tom.

1163
01:21:04,836 --> 01:21:13,456
And I do want to actually at some point today talk about beef versus venison versus lamb,

1164
01:21:13,616 --> 01:21:15,196
which are also good sources.

1165
01:21:15,416 --> 01:21:17,616
But I'm curious to hear your view on that.

1166
01:21:17,616 --> 01:21:24,636
Before we get there, right, just talking about this sovereign exit to a parallel system that we're building,

1167
01:21:25,696 --> 01:21:34,076
the Meshtadel, Citadels, your own network of ranchers and so on and so forth.

1168
01:21:34,076 --> 01:21:37,296
Those are all things you can control who you transact with,

1169
01:21:37,376 --> 01:21:39,896
who you interact with, and what media,

1170
01:21:40,376 --> 01:21:43,156
what forms of media you use for both transacting

1171
01:21:43,156 --> 01:21:46,716
and for interacting, Bitcoin, what have you.

1172
01:21:47,656 --> 01:21:49,316
There are certain things that you don't control,

1173
01:21:49,776 --> 01:21:51,916
however sovereign you are as an individual.

1174
01:21:52,116 --> 01:21:54,036
And I was watching this podcast.

1175
01:21:54,036 --> 01:21:57,896
Actually, it was a Rogan podcast from like two or three years back now.

1176
01:21:58,456 --> 01:22:01,816
And there was a guy, one of, I suspect he's,

1177
01:22:01,816 --> 01:22:04,556
and I can't remember now, but his older gent,

1178
01:22:05,776 --> 01:22:08,976
I think he's part of this whole broader movement anyway.

1179
01:22:10,016 --> 01:22:13,716
And he was talking about the genetically modified seeds.

1180
01:22:14,196 --> 01:22:18,416
You can have a perfect farm and grow the perfect crop

1181
01:22:18,416 --> 01:22:20,636
and all of that stuff, right, cattle feed and so on.

1182
01:22:21,076 --> 01:22:25,456
The guy next door is doing GMO stuff.

1183
01:22:25,776 --> 01:22:28,196
Those seeds blow over in the wind,

1184
01:22:28,996 --> 01:22:31,156
and because they're genetically modified,

1185
01:22:31,156 --> 01:22:35,236
they're I guess sturdier or more resilient

1186
01:22:35,236 --> 01:22:38,856
and they take over even on your patch of land

1187
01:22:38,856 --> 01:22:41,116
and it's just the wind that did it

1188
01:22:41,116 --> 01:22:44,456
so that's one example of stuff that's not entirely in

1189
01:22:44,456 --> 01:22:46,536
a rancher's control

1190
01:22:46,536 --> 01:22:48,436
no matter how sovereign you are

1191
01:22:48,436 --> 01:22:49,996
the other is like geoengineering

1192
01:22:49,996 --> 01:22:51,476
what do you do about that

1193
01:22:51,476 --> 01:22:53,796
there's cloud seeding

1194
01:22:53,796 --> 01:22:56,896
there's solar radiation

1195
01:22:56,896 --> 01:23:00,536
there's spraying aerosols to reflect

1196
01:23:00,536 --> 01:23:03,836
the sunlight back because they want to prevent,

1197
01:23:04,836 --> 01:23:07,936
the ostensible reason is to prevent climate change

1198
01:23:07,936 --> 01:23:09,596
or mitigate climate change.

1199
01:23:09,796 --> 01:23:12,936
But that leads to, you know, rain

1200
01:23:12,936 --> 01:23:16,496
that potentially contains some of this aerosol material

1201
01:23:16,496 --> 01:23:18,536
that goes into the soil and that stuff travels.

1202
01:23:19,396 --> 01:23:20,936
Who knows what that does?

1203
01:23:21,036 --> 01:23:22,056
We don't know, right?

1204
01:23:22,136 --> 01:23:24,496
The fact is this is happening without our consent.

1205
01:23:25,296 --> 01:23:29,916
How do you fully exit when they're these uncontrollables?

1206
01:23:30,536 --> 01:23:38,436
well let's talk about it this way um definitely good on the gmo they're not more resilient seeds

1207
01:23:38,436 --> 01:23:44,176
what they really are is they interact with another product they sell called roundup so that's actually

1208
01:23:44,176 --> 01:23:49,236
the the psyop in those seeds it's not that they're better seeds they just happen to be able to sell

1209
01:23:49,236 --> 01:23:56,056
roundup and use it that way so that's the glyphosate is another the the scientific name for it for the

1210
01:23:56,056 --> 01:24:00,036
Seeding and all that, well, that's going to be a problem.

1211
01:24:00,036 --> 01:24:07,256
But if your family is in a hostage situation, you don't worry about that because your family's in a hostage situation.

1212
01:24:07,836 --> 01:24:13,036
So we have a hostage situation here where our ranchers are being held hostage.

1213
01:24:13,996 --> 01:24:16,116
And so, yeah, there's other problems in the world also.

1214
01:24:16,456 --> 01:24:19,336
And those may not be fully, like, figured out.

1215
01:24:19,556 --> 01:24:23,236
But if you have a hostage situation, you deal with that first.

1216
01:24:23,356 --> 01:24:23,976
It's triage.

1217
01:24:23,976 --> 01:24:29,476
and so we need to help our ranchers get out of the situation there because if we don't there's

1218
01:24:29,476 --> 01:24:33,556
no more beef at the supermarket there's no more beef on beefmaps.com there's no more beef to be

1219
01:24:33,556 --> 01:24:41,476
found anywhere um and beef is by far in a way the highest saturated fat on earth including lambs you

1220
01:24:41,476 --> 01:24:47,136
can go do your research don't trust verify go do the research and see what has the highest saturated

1221
01:24:47,136 --> 01:24:52,316
fat and that's what that's what jfk is talking about they want saturated fats is the new healthy

1222
01:24:52,316 --> 01:24:57,076
thing. It's actually beef. We would love to be part of what they're doing and actually show the

1223
01:24:57,076 --> 01:25:02,816
right way. Here's one way. El Salvador. We have a government that's actually friendly to us.

1224
01:25:03,076 --> 01:25:06,516
We actually have a government that's working hand in hand with us to rebuild cattle country.

1225
01:25:06,876 --> 01:25:10,636
And they're saying, let's do this the right way. Let's not do it with GMOs. What's the right way?

1226
01:25:10,696 --> 01:25:16,096
Let's not do it with the captured USDA programs. And we have the ability to prove to the world

1227
01:25:16,096 --> 01:25:20,816
that true regenerative ranching happens there and happens there first. It becomes a model that

1228
01:25:20,816 --> 01:25:23,836
It becomes wildly successful and wants to be replicated around the world.

1229
01:25:24,316 --> 01:25:27,556
And so the world then comes to El Salvador and says, how can we do this too?

1230
01:25:28,056 --> 01:25:34,656
Countries that are interested are Ireland, Uganda, Kenya, and some in South America as well.

1231
01:25:35,596 --> 01:25:38,396
So, yeah, there's going to be other problems.

1232
01:25:38,556 --> 01:25:43,296
But the biggest problem is if we lose our ranchers, if we lose our land, what are we losing our land to?

1233
01:25:44,176 --> 01:25:46,396
Subdivisions, AI data centers.

1234
01:25:46,396 --> 01:25:53,696
they're stealing not just the land but the water and the electricity this is a takeover that's

1235
01:25:53,696 --> 01:25:59,576
happening this is this is a big deal and the little things are still going to be there if

1236
01:25:59,576 --> 01:26:04,656
they're still there i guess the way to really get rid of them is to defund all the fiat so we'll know

1237
01:26:04,656 --> 01:26:10,376
we've won when we've wiped out fiat and only bitcoin nostre free communications are out there

1238
01:26:10,376 --> 01:26:15,476
that's how we actually do it but is that going to happen in our lifetime i don't know i don't think

1239
01:26:15,476 --> 01:26:22,056
so, but let's actually make the best effort because we're at the line that's been drawn

1240
01:26:22,056 --> 01:26:23,196
in the sand and we're at it.

1241
01:26:23,756 --> 01:26:24,596
We have to do something.

1242
01:26:24,756 --> 01:26:26,596
And I'm not trying to be fear-mongering.

1243
01:26:27,016 --> 01:26:30,916
I'm actually trying to say, hey, it's time to wake up and do something really useful.

1244
01:26:33,416 --> 01:26:39,696
How can someone who's listening, who maybe until now, other than being a beef enjoyer,

1245
01:26:40,176 --> 01:26:44,676
a steak enjoyer, wasn't fully aware of all of this and is listening to this and saying,

1246
01:26:44,676 --> 01:26:46,676
holy crap, I want to help.

1247
01:26:47,256 --> 01:26:47,816
What can they do?

1248
01:26:50,136 --> 01:26:50,616
I mean,

1249
01:26:51,736 --> 01:26:52,636
beef.com

1250
01:26:52,636 --> 01:26:54,616
is going to be our, what do you call it,

1251
01:26:54,616 --> 01:26:56,116
aircraft carrier for beef.

1252
01:26:56,476 --> 01:26:58,116
It's our defensive weapon.

1253
01:26:58,596 --> 01:26:59,796
Type in your email there

1254
01:26:59,796 --> 01:27:02,636
and also put in a comment of how can

1255
01:27:02,636 --> 01:27:04,696
you help. And we're going to be reading those

1256
01:27:04,696 --> 01:27:06,016
and actually helping.

1257
01:27:06,376 --> 01:27:08,476
We're developing programs. We have a lot of programs

1258
01:27:08,476 --> 01:27:09,516
in the works already.

1259
01:27:10,356 --> 01:27:12,756
Things like Beef to Schools

1260
01:27:12,756 --> 01:27:14,496
is one of the ones we're working on in El Salvador.

1261
01:27:14,676 --> 01:27:18,436
women that are suffering

1262
01:27:18,436 --> 01:27:21,496
that would love to actually be near horses

1263
01:27:21,496 --> 01:27:23,076
and horses that are suffering

1264
01:27:23,076 --> 01:27:25,056
putting women and horses together

1265
01:27:25,056 --> 01:27:26,096
not necessarily suffering

1266
01:27:26,096 --> 01:27:27,756
but women that want to be with horses

1267
01:27:27,756 --> 01:27:28,296
there's something

1268
01:27:28,296 --> 01:27:29,456
there's a special magic

1269
01:27:29,456 --> 01:27:31,076
that's called the Windy Whispers program

1270
01:27:31,076 --> 01:27:33,216
that's a place you can actually participate

1271
01:27:33,216 --> 01:27:35,736
actually Tom

1272
01:27:35,736 --> 01:27:37,436
could I stop you real quick

1273
01:27:37,436 --> 01:27:38,136
yeah yeah

1274
01:27:38,136 --> 01:27:40,776
so my wife who you also met

1275
01:27:40,776 --> 01:27:41,416
yes

1276
01:27:41,416 --> 01:27:42,716
who I adore

1277
01:27:42,716 --> 01:27:44,096
considers you dear friend

1278
01:27:44,096 --> 01:27:48,836
she has recently started doing equine

1279
01:27:48,836 --> 01:27:50,176
so she's a psychotherapist

1280
01:27:50,176 --> 01:27:52,016
that's what I'm talking about

1281
01:27:52,016 --> 01:27:54,856
that's exactly what I'm talking about

1282
01:27:54,856 --> 01:27:55,696
equine therapy

1283
01:27:55,696 --> 01:27:58,596
and it seems handmade for women and horses

1284
01:27:58,596 --> 01:28:00,616
I'm sure she's

1285
01:28:00,616 --> 01:28:02,436
having a wonderful time with it

1286
01:28:02,436 --> 01:28:04,356
and I know several women that are involved in that

1287
01:28:04,356 --> 01:28:05,916
and it's just a perfect match

1288
01:28:05,916 --> 01:28:08,476
she's doing the therapy side of it but yes a lot of the people

1289
01:28:08,476 --> 01:28:10,556
who do show up are women

1290
01:28:10,556 --> 01:28:11,316
as it turns out

1291
01:28:11,316 --> 01:28:12,436
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1292
01:28:12,676 --> 01:28:16,036
But also veterans with PTSD.

1293
01:28:16,036 --> 01:28:16,276
Precisely.

1294
01:28:16,736 --> 01:28:18,016
Exactly, exactly.

1295
01:28:18,096 --> 01:28:19,796
There's so much help that can be done through that.

1296
01:28:20,996 --> 01:28:22,036
Yeah, precisely.

1297
01:28:22,276 --> 01:28:25,456
And so I think there's, bring your ideas,

1298
01:28:25,796 --> 01:28:27,336
just raise your hand.

1299
01:28:27,736 --> 01:28:29,656
And one way to raise your hand is drop your email

1300
01:28:29,656 --> 01:28:31,756
into beef.com.

1301
01:28:31,816 --> 01:28:32,936
We have the form there now.

1302
01:28:33,496 --> 01:28:35,096
I believe we have a comment section too.

1303
01:28:35,176 --> 01:28:37,836
You can say in what way or ask questions,

1304
01:28:37,976 --> 01:28:38,776
whatever that is.

1305
01:28:39,276 --> 01:28:40,116
And we're collecting those.

1306
01:28:40,116 --> 01:28:41,876
Those are the new database that's secured.

1307
01:28:42,096 --> 01:28:46,496
We're not passing that on to the Truman State.

1308
01:28:46,696 --> 01:28:47,516
That's protected.

1309
01:28:47,676 --> 01:28:53,176
That's an index that we have of our allies that we wish to actually help change the world for the better.

1310
01:28:53,736 --> 01:28:54,436
And so be it.

1311
01:28:55,176 --> 01:28:58,296
I mean, even the phones that are in the cataloging that are doing the wrong thing,

1312
01:28:58,916 --> 01:29:02,016
you know, there's some people that are feeling really bad about what they're doing to their hometown,

1313
01:29:02,176 --> 01:29:05,136
what they're doing to their country, that they too may want to raise their hand and say,

1314
01:29:05,216 --> 01:29:07,396
hey, I too want to see how I can help.

1315
01:29:07,516 --> 01:29:08,276
And that's great.

1316
01:29:08,276 --> 01:29:10,416
we're looking to change the world

1317
01:29:10,416 --> 01:29:12,996
and we don't change it unless we change it for everyone

1318
01:29:12,996 --> 01:29:16,936
well said Tom

1319
01:29:16,936 --> 01:29:20,076
is there anything you think you've missed

1320
01:29:20,076 --> 01:29:22,936
that you wanted to cover about the beef initiative

1321
01:29:22,936 --> 01:29:26,116
it seems like it was a really dense session even to me

1322
01:29:26,116 --> 01:29:28,856
so I think we can leave it there

1323
01:29:28,856 --> 01:29:31,276
yeah we need a longer one

1324
01:29:31,276 --> 01:29:32,356
but I did actually want to

1325
01:29:32,356 --> 01:29:35,436
one thing I wanted to talk to you

1326
01:29:35,436 --> 01:29:37,396
a rabbit hole we didn't go down

1327
01:29:37,396 --> 01:29:38,756
Maybe we shouldn't go down.

1328
01:29:38,896 --> 01:29:41,976
We'll just talk about it at a high level.

1329
01:29:42,236 --> 01:29:51,216
Is the beef versus lamb versus venison, elk, bison, all of that stuff, right?

1330
01:29:52,276 --> 01:29:52,576
Yeah?

1331
01:29:52,796 --> 01:29:53,196
What do you got?

1332
01:29:53,236 --> 01:29:53,656
Go ahead, Tom.

1333
01:29:54,136 --> 01:29:54,596
No, no.

1334
01:29:55,536 --> 01:29:56,656
They're all good, right?

1335
01:29:56,836 --> 01:29:57,996
I think they're all good.

1336
01:29:57,996 --> 01:30:02,916
But go dig into them and just do even an AI quick query.

1337
01:30:03,436 --> 01:30:06,076
What are the saturated fat contents of all those products?

1338
01:30:06,076 --> 01:30:08,356
and that'll answer the question.

1339
01:30:08,736 --> 01:30:10,516
So dairy-owned research, you'll see.

1340
01:30:11,856 --> 01:30:12,456
And we're talking.

1341
01:30:12,676 --> 01:30:15,176
I mean, I love those things as well

1342
01:30:15,176 --> 01:30:16,196
in many different forms.

1343
01:30:16,296 --> 01:30:18,096
Venice and sausage, I grew up on,

1344
01:30:18,156 --> 01:30:19,056
I think it's phenomenal.

1345
01:30:19,716 --> 01:30:21,856
It's usually mixed with pork, by the way,

1346
01:30:21,856 --> 01:30:23,756
in order to give it the fatty content.

1347
01:30:24,356 --> 01:30:25,736
I love gyros.

1348
01:30:25,976 --> 01:30:28,956
I love Middle Eastern kebabs.

1349
01:30:29,176 --> 01:30:40,282
I think those are great I love Indian food and those have all different aspects of those But nutritionally look at the nutritional value and look at the saturated fats

1350
01:30:40,662 --> 01:30:44,582
I guess another thing, the grass-fed, grass-finished, just to push back on another one.

1351
01:30:44,842 --> 01:30:49,602
One of the ways that the beef that we're actually, the ranchers that we're working with,

1352
01:30:49,782 --> 01:30:52,042
that's different in the way that it's different in El Salvador,

1353
01:30:52,342 --> 01:30:56,002
we're going to bring better genetics from the cattle we bring down,

1354
01:30:56,102 --> 01:30:57,842
but also there's input controls.

1355
01:30:57,842 --> 01:31:01,042
There's the way that you feed the cattle at the end of the life.

1356
01:31:01,282 --> 01:31:03,942
The fiat system is really cruel to these animals.

1357
01:31:04,222 --> 01:31:06,382
It fattens them up basically on sugar from corn.

1358
01:31:07,002 --> 01:31:13,762
And there's a way to actually add all natural things with different plant products that are all natural,

1359
01:31:13,882 --> 01:31:18,962
but bring in omega-3s that are healthy for the cows and also healthy for the humans that consume them.

1360
01:31:19,042 --> 01:31:26,062
So basically it's like the turning beef having the nutritional qualities that you'd get from salmon as well.

1361
01:31:26,062 --> 01:31:28,142
So like really high quality salmon.

1362
01:31:28,362 --> 01:31:30,482
So that's the thing to really look at.

1363
01:31:30,562 --> 01:31:36,822
It's not, it's been price per pound and it's really price per density of value.

1364
01:31:37,002 --> 01:31:37,942
So price per acre.

1365
01:31:38,102 --> 01:31:44,322
How many cattle are you putting in an acre and what's the density value you can bring to the cow and then the human that consumes it afterwards?

1366
01:31:44,462 --> 01:31:45,562
Or not even human.

1367
01:31:45,642 --> 01:31:51,002
It could actually be really high quality dog food that comes from the processing of cows as well.

1368
01:31:51,002 --> 01:31:54,862
and there's a whole opportunity there for it that's not just human healthy,

1369
01:31:55,002 --> 01:31:56,582
but it's for all of our loving animals,

1370
01:31:56,782 --> 01:31:59,922
like the dogs that we love in our lives as well.

1371
01:32:02,402 --> 01:32:05,262
I think, so just going back to the grass-fed, grass-finished,

1372
01:32:05,362 --> 01:32:07,282
I think one of the arguments there,

1373
01:32:07,942 --> 01:32:10,082
and I understand that the marketing

1374
01:32:10,082 --> 01:32:13,182
and there could be a lot of chicanery on that front, right?

1375
01:32:13,182 --> 01:32:16,802
But if you just take the principle behind it.

1376
01:32:17,022 --> 01:32:17,962
Oh, the principle is great.

1377
01:32:18,302 --> 01:32:19,182
The principle is great.

1378
01:32:19,182 --> 01:32:26,062
but the reality is different than the principle right right yeah and that's dig into that rabbit

1379
01:32:26,062 --> 01:32:32,382
hole like go do the research find out what's wrong with labeling around that um when it's a commodity

1380
01:32:32,382 --> 01:32:39,082
product um and a pound of that grass-fed grass-finished beef how many cows are how many

1381
01:32:39,082 --> 01:32:43,702
cows are inside that pound they go into huge vats there may be hundreds of cows

1382
01:32:43,702 --> 01:32:50,582
and that's kind of gross and disgusting and then if one of those has issues that's throughout a

1383
01:32:50,582 --> 01:32:56,762
larger network if you get directly from a rancher you know that's a single source single cow ground

1384
01:32:56,762 --> 01:33:02,522
beef that you have because you had that cow processed for you another way that that bitcoiners

1385
01:33:02,522 --> 01:33:09,242
could do this is actually providing liquidity to host their own cattle on pastures from ranchers so

1386
01:33:09,242 --> 01:33:27,342
I was talking to Walker about this the other day that you can actually, same as like Bitcoin mining, where you have a company actually host your miners for you in their server farms in Uruguay or Ethiopia or wherever it is, that you could actually have ranchers host your cattle and actually care for them throughout their life.

1387
01:33:27,342 --> 01:33:31,642
but you're providing the upfront liquidity to have those cattle there and then that's one way

1388
01:33:31,642 --> 01:33:37,362
to not be a beef beggar that you actually have invested in a farm in a way that's profoundly

1389
01:33:37,362 --> 01:33:42,262
like it's profoundly changing for that farm that just having the liquidity from bitcoiners in that

1390
01:33:42,262 --> 01:33:47,202
way it has nothing to do with us you just shake your rancher's hand and say hey can i buy some

1391
01:33:47,202 --> 01:33:52,902
cattle to put on your land and can we be partners in those cows and you deliver those whenever i want

1392
01:33:52,902 --> 01:33:55,342
And it's like, yeah, let's do that partnership together.

1393
01:33:55,522 --> 01:33:59,282
And so that's another way that's not millions of dollars.

1394
01:33:59,422 --> 01:34:03,962
It's like whatever you're going to invest, you can actually have it secured in a way.

1395
01:34:04,462 --> 01:34:09,082
I often say it's securing your beef in cold storage on pasture.

1396
01:34:10,102 --> 01:34:14,082
And that in beef, KYC means know your cattle, know your cow.

1397
01:34:15,822 --> 01:34:16,702
I like that.

1398
01:34:17,822 --> 01:34:21,082
So a couple more things on this related topic, Tom.

1399
01:34:21,302 --> 01:34:21,682
Sure.

1400
01:34:21,682 --> 01:34:29,002
We're talking about, you know, we're using the term beef, but I assume you're talking nose to tail carnivory, right?

1401
01:34:29,062 --> 01:34:30,762
Including organs and everything else.

1402
01:34:31,982 --> 01:34:36,702
Yeah, when we're talking about microprocessing, nothing's actually thrown away.

1403
01:34:36,802 --> 01:34:37,582
Nothing is trash.

1404
01:34:37,682 --> 01:34:39,662
Everything is a real product.

1405
01:34:40,002 --> 01:34:44,322
And one of the cool products you can get out of this is called primal ground beef.

1406
01:34:44,322 --> 01:34:50,022
And I've got it from my ranches in the past where when they make the beef, they actually put some of those organs,

1407
01:34:50,022 --> 01:34:56,202
like particularly the liver in there, that you're actually getting just super dense nutrients from that meat.

1408
01:34:56,822 --> 01:35:02,042
The other thing is the raw, the actual hide from this cow too.

1409
01:35:02,482 --> 01:35:06,722
There's a way that they process those that you turn it into really high quality leather products.

1410
01:35:06,902 --> 01:35:11,442
And we're looking in El Salvador how we can relaunch the leather industry in El Salvador,

1411
01:35:11,562 --> 01:35:14,262
not just the meat, but the leathers as well and leather goods.

1412
01:35:14,902 --> 01:35:19,742
And so suddenly having high quality, if you have high quality cows, guess what?

1413
01:35:19,742 --> 01:35:23,822
you have high quality leather. If you have really low quality cows, you have really low quality

1414
01:35:23,822 --> 01:35:29,482
leather. So bringing high quality cows there that it could, El Salvador might become the Milan

1415
01:35:29,482 --> 01:35:34,462
of the world, truly, and have some of the finest leather products coming out of there.

1416
01:35:34,922 --> 01:35:41,862
We have leather people, fine leather craftsmen from Texas that will be helping train and educate

1417
01:35:41,862 --> 01:35:47,762
Salvadorans in how to do that and building that whole infrastructure for that down there.

1418
01:35:48,622 --> 01:35:50,102
Tallow is another huge one.

1419
01:35:51,242 --> 01:35:53,482
You know, Steak and Shake was there at Bitcoin Historico.

1420
01:35:53,582 --> 01:35:54,482
They made a big presence.

1421
01:35:55,242 --> 01:35:58,962
They've really committed themselves to Bitcoin, but also using tallow.

1422
01:35:59,562 --> 01:36:10,502
And tallow is nothing more than taking the fat from cows and turning that into this product that's used like a butter or it's used as a grease in frying.

1423
01:36:10,502 --> 01:36:11,982
But it's deeply helpful.

1424
01:36:12,182 --> 01:36:14,782
It's deeply saturated fats, a healthy product.

1425
01:36:14,782 --> 01:36:21,202
and there may be some shenanery in the tallow industry as well so having really honest tallow

1426
01:36:21,202 --> 01:36:25,982
that is backed by where did it come from what cows did it come from how is that actually processed

1427
01:36:25,982 --> 01:36:31,222
is all really important as well and that's another place with nostr that we can actually verify

1428
01:36:31,222 --> 01:36:39,222
uh through uh one of the technologies is a gps cow collar so it's like a dog collar

1429
01:36:39,222 --> 01:36:44,622
but it has gps in it and so it can track where that cow is throughout its life which pastures

1430
01:36:44,622 --> 01:36:52,402
it was on um just all the information about it and that can be uh time stamped with the time

1431
01:36:52,402 --> 01:36:57,562
stamps from bitcoin and verified that the meat you're actually eating is the came from this cow

1432
01:36:57,562 --> 01:37:05,642
and here's its whole life history love it yeah and tala's good for the skin too indeed my friends

1433
01:37:05,642 --> 01:37:10,682
that born to be free are fantastic they're actually part of the beef initiative they're in new york

1434
01:37:10,682 --> 01:37:17,522
And I recommend them, but there's other great Bitcoiners that are doing lots of great Bitcoiners, tallow skincare products.

1435
01:37:18,382 --> 01:37:26,742
So one other thing a lot of Bitcoiners and, you know, the Bitcoin adjacent sort of primal lifestyle folks are into is raw dairy.

1436
01:37:27,762 --> 01:37:28,062
Yes.

1437
01:37:28,762 --> 01:37:34,702
Does this, you know, raw cheese, even raw milk, which is fantastic.

1438
01:37:34,702 --> 01:37:40,742
is that something that's within the beef initiatives mandate or is it just meat

1439
01:37:40,742 --> 01:37:45,702
well we don't have mandates we just have initiatives actually there's no dogma here

1440
01:37:45,702 --> 01:37:51,142
there's actually the dogma is do it right at least don't do it wrong um well one of the ways

1441
01:37:51,142 --> 01:37:55,962
that bitcoiners can actually have cows on their own property and one of the easier ways to do it is

1442
01:37:55,962 --> 01:38:00,962
if you don't have a lot of depth of experiences having a dairy cow and with a dairy cow then you

1443
01:38:00,962 --> 01:38:06,462
have access, you've actually secured your raw milk on your own pasture again. And you don't have to

1444
01:38:06,462 --> 01:38:10,862
have a ton of acreage for that. You could have, you know, an acre or less, slightly less than that,

1445
01:38:11,322 --> 01:38:17,542
and have a dairy cow that there's breeds now that are both great for dairy and also great as meat at

1446
01:38:17,542 --> 01:38:22,382
the end of their life as well. And in order to have a dairy cow and to have it produce milk,

1447
01:38:22,562 --> 01:38:26,982
it has to have a calf so that you have a regenerative system right there in itself,

1448
01:38:26,982 --> 01:38:31,442
a small one but a regenerative system where you're actually getting your raw milk you're making

1449
01:38:31,442 --> 01:38:37,302
wonderful cheeses from it and kefir kefir kefir i can't remember how to say it at this moment

1450
01:38:37,302 --> 01:38:44,442
oh thanks kefir kefir i've had both okay yeah and that's another phenomenal product that's a

1451
01:38:44,442 --> 01:38:53,162
milk product and i'm a raw milk we've been part of a co-op uh in in in my in my community and it's

1452
01:38:53,162 --> 01:39:00,702
been phenomenal just to have that availability to that and yeah I think that's definitely a great

1453
01:39:00,702 --> 01:39:10,642
way to go as well. And A1 versus A2 any thoughts on that? No I don't have any thoughts because I'm

1454
01:39:10,642 --> 01:39:15,442
not deep down that rabbit hole but we have other people on our team that are so I'm the

1455
01:39:15,442 --> 01:39:22,802
bitcoiner so I'm still learning my all my ranching and dairy terms so yeah. Okay cool well Tom this

1456
01:39:22,802 --> 01:39:29,182
is great uh in there's a new segment on the show where i give um someone from the audience who

1457
01:39:29,182 --> 01:39:34,962
boosted in or zapped in on nostra the final word um and really it's the idea is for it to

1458
01:39:34,962 --> 01:39:42,522
to be dissent and we called it dissenting stats uh i didn't get any dissent but i did i will give

1459
01:39:42,522 --> 01:39:50,082
the final word on today's episode to long-time listener and in fact 40 hours of podcast a week

1460
01:39:50,082 --> 01:40:00,522
legend Pies, who said about last week's episode where I had Dion Wilson, he's just launched the

1461
01:40:00,522 --> 01:40:04,662
Bitcoin for the Arts initiative. He's based in New York and he's trying to create this nonprofit

1462
01:40:04,662 --> 01:40:11,422
that promotes, that helps artists and educates them about Bitcoin and maybe fund some of their

1463
01:40:11,422 --> 01:40:19,442
artworks. So Pies says, great interview. I hate NYC since COVID, but the energy Dion comes with

1464
01:40:19,442 --> 01:40:21,502
I used to be out there

1465
01:40:21,502 --> 01:40:23,642
but love the energy Dion comes with

1466
01:40:23,642 --> 01:40:25,642
I used to be out in NYC often

1467
01:40:25,642 --> 01:40:28,362
maybe someday when the commies are pushed out

1468
01:40:28,362 --> 01:40:29,722
I'll come back

1469
01:40:29,722 --> 01:40:30,742
but I doubt that

1470
01:40:30,742 --> 01:40:32,962
anyway, thank you gentlemen

1471
01:40:32,962 --> 01:40:35,542
no bias, thank you

1472
01:40:35,542 --> 01:40:37,062
you get the final word

1473
01:40:37,062 --> 01:40:39,362
today, and Tom, thank you

1474
01:40:39,362 --> 01:40:41,862
for this educational experience

1475
01:40:41,862 --> 01:40:43,342
it's good to see you buddy

1476
01:40:43,342 --> 01:40:44,842
or rather good to talk to you

1477
01:40:44,842 --> 01:40:47,222
you too, thank you so much for the opportunity

1478
01:40:47,222 --> 01:40:49,062
for coming on here and I hope to see you

1479
01:40:49,062 --> 01:40:49,822
your family soon.

1480
01:40:51,262 --> 01:40:52,822
No, I'd love to do that.

1481
01:40:52,882 --> 01:40:53,442
In fact, you know,

1482
01:40:53,502 --> 01:40:54,842
I'll ask my wife

1483
01:40:54,842 --> 01:40:55,982
to connect with you.

1484
01:40:56,042 --> 01:40:56,582
Please do.

1485
01:40:56,822 --> 01:40:58,582
About the equine therapy stuff.

1486
01:40:58,942 --> 01:40:59,282
Absolutely.

1487
01:40:59,282 --> 01:41:00,262
It's been way too long.

1488
01:41:00,482 --> 01:41:01,882
I think the last time I saw you

1489
01:41:01,882 --> 01:41:03,082
was Madeira in 2024,

1490
01:41:03,402 --> 01:41:04,482
which is kind of insane.

1491
01:41:04,482 --> 01:41:04,702
I think so.

1492
01:41:05,042 --> 01:41:05,982
That is too far.

1493
01:41:06,322 --> 01:41:06,762
Thank you.

1494
01:41:06,762 --> 01:41:06,902
Yeah.

1495
01:41:08,182 --> 01:41:08,962
All right.

1496
01:41:09,062 --> 01:41:09,982
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1497
01:41:09,982 --> 01:41:11,682
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1498
01:41:11,682 --> 01:41:12,222
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1499
01:41:12,522 --> 01:41:14,042
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1500
01:41:14,042 --> 01:41:14,822
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1501
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1505
01:41:25,422 --> 01:41:29,362
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