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Welcome to the ninth serving of Sunday Brunch.
And today is, you guessed it, Sunday
It is the 8th of March
And very much brunch time on the east coast of the United States
Which can only mean one thing
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And my guest today is a man
who's doing tireless work onboarding musicians to the open music world.
Budtender from Hash Power Music is here
and has brought his own playlist with him.
We're going to spin some tracks.
We're going to talk about whatever topics emerge in the silences between the music
and give everyone listening a chance to enter this decompression chamber after a long week.
So, add a little more Tabasco to that Bloody Mary.
bartender welcome to sunday brunch hey abhi thanks for having me of course man so we met
once i believe it was at nosterville in 2023 the very first nosterville uh that's right 1.0
1.0 and uh there is a interesting uh coincidence or serendipity or synchronicity
with this show and that fateful event in Norsterville.
So it's been about three months or so
since I've started playing Valley for Valley music.
Well, this show is primarily for that,
but also on my Friday Plep Chain Radio show
where I play one song.
and the first song I picked was Closer to Somewhere
and then you pointed out that the song I played,
you were actually going to get recorded with the band
during Nostoville 2023
and I think, was it you wearing the Plep Chain Radio shirt
or was it someone from the band?
Yeah, no, that was me.
um this is this is kind of a crazy thing right so um you know my my journey into all of this started
you know before my professional music sort of uh situation however you want to call it right
um so uh i'm i'm i guess i'm i'm my background i've always been very musical so i've started
playing the violin when i was you know four or five years old um you know learned the piano
learned the guitar, learned the trumpet. You know, I was a band geek. I played in the marching band,
you know, did that in college as well. And so I, you know, and I always, I always joke, you know,
I've, I've failed at the guitar about a thousand times because I still can't play more than three
songs, even though I've tried it all my life. But, but that being said though, you know,
I've always been very musical, but I've never, you know, been in music. I've always been,
I've actually been in tech and finance for most of my career. And so, you know, I eventually found
Bitcoin and I found Noster and I ended up at Nosterville. And this is, you know, it was just
one of those happenstance coincidences that even found Noster in the first place and then ended up
there. So already it was very unlikely that I'd be at Nosterville. You know, I had never been
a Bitcoiner who went out and did stuff. I was always silent Bitcoiner. I just stacked on my own.
And then, but it wasn't until Nostra, I found Nostra and I said, oh man, like there's so much
more out here and there's so much more that we need to sort of give back to everybody, like all
this knowledge that we've accumulated, you know, and then just finding the community. So anyway,
so back to the story, right? So at Nostraville 1.0, you know, it just so happened that, you know,
it was, is in Nashville. And at the time we were about to go record for the retrograde. Um, and so
the, that was down in Muscle Shoals, Alabama, uh, just across the border. So I figured, you know
what, uh, let me just tack this onto the trip. Uh, you know, I'll hit Nosterville and then I'll
record right after that. It would be perfect. And so, yeah, so I ended up meeting Avi, um, hanging
out there, had an incredible time, um, 102,000%, uh, you know, bought into the whole Nostra vibe,
everything that's kind of going on here. Uh, you know, the community was just incredible.
So, um, you know, so I ended up going down there recording and we decided, Hey, let's just take a
photo. All right, cool. Well, you know, I just come from Nostraville. So I had the t-shirt on
and, uh, took a little photo and, you know, a few months later we go and start to put everything
together and the band's like, Hey, I'd like to get a, you know, one last photo at the very end of
the album, you know, cause we didn't have it in there originally. Um, we had like a whole different
setup and they were like, no, but we got to have this in there. Cause we got to have this in there.
Okay. And they insisted on it and it was that photo. And so when Avi played it, uh, you know,
on that, that, that, uh, the very first one, I thought, wow, this is incredible because not only
is this the first like the first signing that we had um the first single that we released um it's
the first record that we we recorded so a whole lot of firsts um and this is what i love about
naster it just feels like everything happens to happen at the right time the right place like
very synchronistic i don't know uh was that so that's your t-shirt then yeah yeah that's my t-shirt
That is a rare limited item one that does not exist anymore, but I might have a fairly high market value.
Now, that's the original grape purple Plep Chain radio shirt made by Lightning Store, which doesn't exist in that form anymore either.
It's screen printed and you're one of the few.
I mean, it's an incredibly high quality shirt.
The design is incredible.
I wear it to death and I know I can't get it again.
So I'm like trying to ration the amount of times I can wear it per day, per week, you know.
But yeah, it's one of those things now.
It's got additional meaning, you know.
Yeah, for sure.
and and and as you said uh that was the first song i played uh on plebs chain radio was uh
closer to somewhere by the retrograde really love that song so and you mentioned they were the first
band you onboarded so maybe let's take a step back bartender and talk about uh your company
hash power music what is the goal yeah so sure so we're i said to abhi earlier because it's funny
because he was like, what do I call you?
Because my identity is kind of all over the place
on Nostra and everything like that, right?
And so I'll start from where we are,
kind of work backwards and I don't know,
I'll try to make it logical as best I can.
But HashPower Music is kind of like our end game project.
HashPower Music is like,
this is the ultimate vision, right?
Like when Bitcoiners say hyper-Bitcoinization,
I'm talking the same thing with HashPower Music
in the music world, right?
because that's, it's, it's, it's really, it's just me and my partner. Let's be honest here.
Me and my partner out in LA, we, you know, we actually, we started cannabis records,
you know, years ago before I found Noster before all of this. Right. And we had basically said,
hey, we want to create a label that's, that's artist friendly because everything's broken and
totally fucked up. So he was, uh, his name is Johnny Castile. Uh, he played for a band called
Castile back in the eighties. Uh, he opened for bands like Motley Crue, um, Cinderella,
and like all of those like hair metal guys way back in the day. Um, and so he had gone,
come up with all of those guys, um, got signed and everything. Um, he then, you know, have went to,
Sony and as well as to Capitol Records doing A&R. And then he went on to do songwriting in Nashville.
So he was he wrote he has like Blake Shelton credits. He has Chris or Miley Cyrus and a whole
bunch of other like pretty high profile guys. And then he went to publishing and then he sort of
looked at himself and said, now what? Right. What's the next thing? So and part of that whole
journey for him was like, he was in, you know, in the depths of it all, right? And he saw all the
stuff that was happening. And we've got stories, I mean, he's got stories that, wow, you know,
that would blow your mind at like, how corrupt and screwed up this industry really is. There's
some really nasty stuff happening. And a lot of good people going down for bad things that
they didn't do. Because, because of, you know, the industry needs to take them down, and they will.
So those are the things that kind of happened back there.
And so we said, look, we got to change the whole game up.
We need to do something different.
We've got the connections and everything that we need that could make it happen.
We just need a technology and we just need, you know, the quote unquote platform to do it.
Right.
And I know that's kind of a dirty word around here, but we just need the ability to do this.
And so, you know, we racked our brains and we were trying the hardest we could.
And we thought, look, community is the way to do it.
Right.
Like that was our whole shtick, like, you know, coming out of COVID and everything like that, people were yearning for like face to face communication, people being IRL, like meeting people.
So we thought we're going to create a social club.
We're going to do cannabis records.
We're going to have like a smoking lounge where you can hang out, listen to music and there's artists hanging out.
Like it would be such a cool thing.
Right. So we want to our goal was create a community.
Well, we got to, you know, I went to Nosterville and then, you know, obviously I've been to Bitcoin and everything like that. And then, and during one of the talks, the Phantom Power stood up and he said something about Wavelake.
and I was kind of thinking like, oh man, um, this is exactly what I've been looking for,
right? Something that can help the artist to self-host to sort of like to, to sort of self-host
and have, have, have their own, um, sovereignty right over their own music and everything like
that, because there've been all these stories and I'd heard it multiple times and seen it happen
where, um, you know, artists, they don't even own their own music. They can't do anything. Like
they'll sign a contract and their stuff gets shelved. And then afterwards, you know, they
don't have all the full rights to it. And the whole thing becomes a huge mess. And we said,
screw all that. Like artists need to, you know, keep their own art. And so from there, right,
once we found Bitcoin, once we found Nostra, and we found RSS, and we found that holy cow,
there's this whole ecosystem out there that exists, this V4V music ecosystem, where
all the things that we wanted are here. It was just in its infancy. So, you know, the whole,
and what I love about Noster is you sort of get this vibe and this sort of type of people who say,
look, if things aren't the way I want them to be, I'm going to make them that way. I'm going to go
out and build and do it. And so, you know, we've been leveraging the community and doing everything
that we can to push things forward And you know and everybody kind of following us following along with us has been awesome um and doing their thing and making it happen And now we see this explosion of artists right
Um, you know, with everybody kind of coming on board, podcasters, artists, everyone, you
know, fans, all of it.
Um, and so, so long, long story short, what is hash power music, right?
Hash power.
We're like, like I said, that's the end game, right?
So all the things that we're doing, um, we also have a management company called Bass
entertainment where we, you know, manage ours, but we funnel everybody through, right? That's
the ultimate goal. So we get people excited about, you know, the traditional legacy guys excited
about a label, cannabis records coming on and being interested, right? We manage them through
Basset and then ultimately funnel them all through our live acts and everything like that
through the V4V music side of HashPower. So that's kind of like the way the plumbing works,
I guess, from our end.
So really, it is a modern take on the label, right?
To keep the intermediary as lightweight as possible and not the rent.
Yeah.
You know, we want to keep like there's something to be said about taking what worked and merging
that with what things should be.
Right.
Right. Like even though, you know, I lambast the legacy music industry all the time, there are certain things that made sense.
Right. And there's reasons that they did them that way and all that.
But the problem is with all of these sort of legacy structures is they don't change with the times.
And you saw that first happen with the music industry when, you know, Napster came on and digital music happened.
They didn't follow suit and they started to fight it. And when you fight it, you know, everybody else fights back.
and that started the downfall of the music industry.
And so we look at it today and here's a second chance, right?
Here's a second chance of doing right by technology,
merging music and technology in the right way
that actually helps artists and doesn't take advantage of them.
And so we said, look, how can we do this the right way?
We have a lot of these legacy connections,
so we're still sort of tied into the legacy world,
but how do we leverage that and bring that as a benefit
to this like V for V world where, you know, where things are better, where the pastures are greener.
And so, yeah. So like you said, that's a really great way to put it, right? It's a modern take
on a lightweight label. We're vertically integrated in the sense that, you know,
if you need artists, musicians sort of services, we can provide pretty much all of that. But our
main goal and our main thing is like, look, we want to empower you. We want to do what's right
for you and make it happen, you know, as an artist, because if you succeed, then everyone
else does, right?
If we are money grubbing and we take all of your rights and try to take all of your proprietary
stuff, that's killing the golden goose, right?
Like, why would I stifle creativity?
Like, that's not like what you have shown me to this point today isn't all that you'll
ever do.
But if I be like the traditional labels and, you know, try to basically run these guys down as fast and as hard as they can so that you can churn another artist, right?
That's sort of the legacy model.
Well, that kills all the creative music, all the good music.
And what do you end up with?
Well, you end up with AI slop.
You end up with, you know, songs that are exactly the same as the other one, you know, and they just change the genre or whatever.
And all your music just kind of becomes copy pasta.
And that's what we see today.
You know, it's just hearing you say that button, you know, it just makes me think about the general affliction of centralized fiat platforms.
There is always a ticking time bomb built in.
You can have people who are completely idealistic, right, who set up these structures within the existing system, right, within the existing legacy rails, and they want to do the right thing, so on and so forth.
The incentives are just not there for them to continue doing that because most of the money is through – I mean, it is the attention economy, right?
So it's advertising and so on.
So the ticking time bomb is at some point they realize they have to become predatory.
their interests start diverging
very quickly from the actual talent
the artist's interest
and you see this cannibalization
happening
you see the artist getting more and more sidelined
and it really is like a virus
because what is the end game here
like you were talking about cutting the goose that lays the golden eggs
but that's what happens
like a virus
the end game is the virus dies because it's fully consumed the host is it's killed the host and
that's what fiat is like right and it's we're talking about music right now it's true for
everything else yeah it's it's true for everything i mean it's kind of like a universal sort of truth
right like if you're if you're going to be a virus and you're going to consume your host at some
point that host will die um whether it be music whether it be money or you know whether it be
your relationships with other people, your, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's all of it.
At the end of the day, you know, I think like people have to realize that we're all a community,
we're all connected. As much as you like to be an individual and you like to be,
you know, have selfish thoughts and everything like that, you know, what you do affects everyone
else around you and vice versa. So like, why, why not live in a little bit more of a harmonious
community. Right. And let's, let's, let's, you know, sacrifice just a tiny bit for a larger,
greater good in the longterm. Right. It's just, it's, it's, it's the time, you know, lower your
time preference sort of thing. Um, you know, and it's like, look, we could, we could be going out
there and making a ton of money with all these artists that we've got, um, by locking them into
multiple years of contracts, uh, taking all the rights to their masters indefinitely for anything
that they create, you know, while we're there with us, um, you know, we can take 50% cut of
everything plus if we wanted to, of all their stuff and, you know, everything from what they
get from advertising all the way up to their music, uh, to their, you know, where they show
up anywhere, like all of those things, every time they get a dollar, you know, we can take half of
that if we wanted to, you know, if we set up those contracts that way. And the problem is,
there's so many artists out there in this world. And they're all super talented, right? There's so
many out there that are just absolutely mind-blowingly incredible. However, there's so
many people that, you know, a lot of them will just jump at it. Because look, musicians, the only
way to ever get to that top tier echelon of being a musician just from a skill perspective
is practice, practice, and then a little bit more practice and then some more practice after that,
right? You have to be hone your craft and you can't concentrate on anything else. You have to
be thousand percent music only. So when it comes to contracts and business and all that stuff,
it's so easy to take advantage of them, right? Because they don't know any better.
All they want is that signing so they can make more music, right? Thinking they can do,
you know, make bigger and bigger, better, um, better songs. But the thing is, you know,
once you sign a deal with the devil, they start to say, Hey, you know, I'm paying half of your,
of all of this. So I get half of the say in what kind of songs you make, what you're going to say
in these songs, you know, and, and you know what, this song is really good, but it's not going to
sell. So that's never going to see the light of day. Right. And they have full control over your
catalog and everything. Um, I could do all that, but I don't. Why? Because I think music is
important. I think, uh, you know, a human culture, uh, is passed down through generations, our
ancestors, all of that, uh, came through music, right? Because before there was written word,
before all of that, people sang songs and they told their stories that way. Um, that's embedded
into like human nature so if we corrupt music and we allow it to to be taken and morphed in such a
way um then then what are we what's our story right what's our human story like what what's
our legacy that we're leaving is it this like bullshit fucked up like fakeness or are we going
to allow like the passions of real artists shine through right and are we going to promote those
songs the ones where like there's real soul to it um and so that's what you're saying what you're
saying bartender is that you're not a virus because you're able to see that you will die if the host
dies so you're able to think long term um yeah exactly exactly you know like you have to be able
to see long term because like when i'm dead and gone all this music that we've created now is still
going to be here my kids are going to enjoy it and their kids are going to enjoy it right and so
we have to leave something positive and beautiful and incredible um and so you know i've been
droning on for a while and i don't know if you want to play this next song because it actually
yeah it's a decent segue to it um you know because this next song is um it's called favorite child
um and it's written by the velvix and we can talk a little bit more about the velvix because that's a
kind of a fun,
interesting,
kind of crazy story.
Yeah.
Why don't we play the song?
And then we'll,
we'll talk about the band and the song.
This is
Favorite Child by The Velvix.
Hold me by the hands
Hold them tight
Time, time, time.
Hmm.
Like if you'd hold up a...
Hmm.
And I'll stay.
I'll stay
Oh
You're my favorite child
Oh, somewhere else
Somewhere warm and safe
Somewhere closer to God
And I'll wait
Always
Thank you.
So why are you confronting me?
Hiding the beauty and the joy from it
Hidden places, nowhere to be found
And the more I sleep on it, the more I dodge the feeling of seeing you again
This can take away the pain from me
has all been contacted.
Lauren Hadnard Why are you
Come from to me
Place in the view
There's nowhere to be found
So why are you
Comforting me
Place in the healing
Nowhere to be found
So I, I, I
Comes from 10 minutes
Place in the building
Nowhere to be found
So what I hope
Comes from the dead
Place in the beauty
Nowhere to be found
That was Favorite Child by The Velviks.
And wow, what a song.
I haven't heard this one before.
I got really strong Division Bell vibes
that rospy David Gilmour type vocals, especially the first half, the way it builds up.
What an amazing song.
Yeah, we, you know, this is one of those songs where when we were kind of putting together
the album, we were kind of back and forth on it, not because of the track itself, because
it was an incredible track, but because we kind of ran into this quandary of what do
we do here? Do we, do we, uh, put this in this really long song that's like an absolute, you know,
it's just, it kind of draws and you need to pay attention and you need to sort of, you know,
be enveloped in the song to really appreciate it. Um, so it takes effort on the listener's part,
right? Um, do we put that in or do we swap it for just a happy go lucky sort of easy listening,
crazy rock, just, you know, get wild, but it's really short, easy tune. Right. And we thought
to ourselves, you know, what are we trying to do here? Right. Are we trying to sell albums
for the sake of selling albums? Or are we trying to create music? We're trying to create art.
And so that then quickly solidified our decision, like this has to go in.
Because it's funny, another synchronicity, because as we were sort of making this decision,
And one of the things that I, you know, I think soon after the, you know, make songs longer, Heather Larson, that's her username on there.
And so I kept seeing her pop up and I'm like, oh, shit, like, yeah, let's do that.
Let's make songs longer. Let's put real music in there, you know.
And so, so, yeah, so that we ended up sticking with this track.
And, you know, I love it because it's just it's such a stadium song.
I get Pink Floyd vibes.
I see Pompeii, their concert in Pompeii.
That's what's in my mind when this song's kind of going on.
Oh, yeah.
That's what I said.
The Division Bell, the David Gilmour rospy vocals
and that hypnotic pacing, absolutely Pink Floyd,
in the David Gilmour era especially.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
you know and and and it's it's that you know that's one of their major uh influences because
um so the velvics they were started by uh vic uh vic he's uh vic of the velvics he's um
he's like in his like mid to late 40s you know so he grew up around a lot of that that type of
you know, classic rock. Um, and so the influences are heavily there. Um, but, um, yeah, meeting him
actually. And it's funny because actually the Velviks are sort of pivotal for me, uh, in my
music career, uh, because Vic actually sort of kicked it all off for me, uh, from a professional
perspective. Um, if you, if you can indulge me, I can go into a little bit of a story here.
Yeah. But actually, can I ask you one thing before you do that? I don't want to hear the story.
is the rest of their music like this as well because i will be checking them out if that's
the case yeah so their their tracks are stadium built right so this is a big big band um they
with a big sound right um they they they're they're most actually this is so they kind of
have two sides and this is kind of the thing that we did with the album uh we we built it for vinyl
Right. So we created this knowing that we were going to put it on vinyl because we wanted to kind of bring back a lot of the old school and the physical media.
Right. That was all part of that whole physical community thing that we had going.
And so the first half, the first side, side A, is all just straight up upbeat, raunchy, sex filled, sex, drugs, rock and roll.
like you know it's it's feel good you know slam a shot you know do a line and and fucking rock out
that's side a side b is sort of like parties over um end of the night or next day you're reflecting
you know you're kind of in a you know sunday brunch time you're finally starting to wake up
a little bit and you're kind of reflecting on your life uh you're getting a little bit more
philosophical it's a lot softer it's slower it's a lot more of this sort of thing right it's a lot
um so you kind of get so it's it's it's you get you have kind of the foo fighters uh you know
nirvana well maybe not nirvana but more a lot more foo fighters on the first part first uh side a and
then it's like floyd on side b so it's a really cool sort of duality um and i think it sort of
wraps up the the the vinyl so well right because the whole album and the album was made to listen
to in order from front to back um and so this track is actually the ninth track um on the album
i love that description of of the side a and side b and you know probably one of the greatest
hangover songs you can i mean it was i actually think it's the greatest song ever written
rock song ever written uh or modern song ever written is uh shine on your crazy diamond
by Pink Floyd. And just listening to it when you're hungover on Sunday, it hits different, man.
But you were going to tell me a story about the Velvics. Go ahead.
Yeah, yeah, sure. So the Velvics, right? I guess so before that, you know, I live in white suburbia.
And I'm Asian, if anyone hasn't met me and doesn't know that. But so I'm kind of out of place,
Right. And I'm not the typical sort of super nerd looking Asian.
So I definitely stand out.
And so when my son was in preschool, you know, I was doing I was a state I was kind of work from home.
So I was doing all this, all the mom stuff. Right.
So schlepping to practices and to activities and daycare, blah, blah, blah, all that stuff.
and so one day I'm in I'm here I'm you know picking up uh from the daycare with all the
soccer moms and the yoga pants and everything like that right they're all blonde um and you
know the kids are outside hanging out playing and then up rocks this dude right he's got
ripped tight leather black jeans on tight leather tight shirt you know leather cuffs he's got long
ass hair and he's kind of got the strut going he's got the big old combat boots he walks into
this daycare, picks up the kids and then walks out. Like, who the hell was that? Right? Like,
he's out of place too. A few days later, I go into Taekwondo practice and, you know,
and my kids are doing their thing and I'm sitting there watching them. And who's sitting there on
the table? It's the same guy. I'm like, all right, I got to talk to this guy. I need to like, find
out what's his deal. And it turns out, you know, he's Vic from the Velvics and, you know, he's a
front man for a rock band coming out of New York. They somehow ended up in the middle of nowhere,
you know, suburbia, uh, for whatever reason. And we ended up being friends and we kind of talked
for a little while and, you know, you know, cause I love music and, and, you know, he's a musician
and we just kind of hit it off and we were kind of odd ducks, right. In this, this town. Um, and so
I, I'm an entrepreneur. I do a whole lot of things. I love, you know, I I'm a Jack of all
trades sort of master of none sort of situation. Um, and so one day he said, Hey, look, I've got
this agent. He's out in LA. He's a rock star from back in the day. He's got all of this music stuff
down, but he needs someone to help him with this business. He wants to make a label, you know,
that da da da da. And so I said, all right, I'm one of those people who when something comes my
way, I don't like to say no, only because I love discovery. I love, you know, kind of
finding something new and just like flying by the seat of my pants and seeing what happens,
because I think life comes at you that way. Right. So if you sort of sit there and you're like,
oh, yeah, but I don't know about getting into the music business. I don't know about this. I don't
know if I can do it. I don't know if I know the right people. I don't know if I know enough about
music. Right. Or all that sort of stuff. But sometimes when you just sort of say, fuck it,
let's go. Beautiful things can happen. And so this this is one of them.
amazing yeah amazing yeah yeah and and and one of the one of the you know and just just from a
playlist perspective we don't have to jump to it just now but you know the next song that i kind of
have queued up for us is is from a band that's not one of ours um or a singer that's not one of
ours uh abel james but i wanted to add him to my playlist because uh the song is called live while
I'm Alive and it sort of like reflects my whole philosophy on life and on just sort of like
just live like everyone's going to tell you no everyone's going to tell you that's stupid or
you're crazy but you know sometimes you just got to do what your heart tells you.
I think we found the perfect segue for that song then.
This is Live While I'm Alive by Abel James.
guitar solo
Cause I ain't worth a dime
They said, no you won't
No you won't
Boy, you must have lost your mind
They said, I just found a ride for me
An 85 Mercedes Benz
Couples cruise loose, needs some TLC
But she found herself a friend
They said, no you don't
No you don't
Son, you must have lost your mind.
You must have lost your mind.
Said, I'm gonna live while I'm alive.
Ain't nobody ever gonna change my mind.
No, no.
So I said bye-bye, baby.
Bye-bye.
Bye-bye, baby.
I'm gone.
Yeah I gone I said bye bye baby You know I got my walking shoes on
Yes, I do
I don't want this job no more
I'm gonna play guitar all day
Make my rent in smoky bars
Rockin' my blues away
They said no, you don't
No, you don't
Kid, you must have lost your mind. You must have lost your mind. I said I'm gonna live while I'm alive. Ain't nobody ever gonna change my mind.
Now I'm gonna drive across the country
Have myself a time
Gonna grab my girl and my guitar
Drop that old band into the night
They said no you won't
No, no, no, no you won't
Man, you must have lost your mind
You must have lost your mind
They said I'm gonna live while I'm alive
Ain't nobody ever gonna change my mind
No, they won't
So I said bye-bye, baby
Bye-bye, baby
I'm gone, yeah, I'm gone
I said bye-bye, baby
You know I got my walking shoes on
Yes, I do
Now I'm gonna live while I'm alive
Ain't nobody ever
ain't nobody ever
Gonna change my mind
Never gonna change my mind
It's all out of the line
You're never gonna change my mind
You're one, one, two, eight
You're gonna change my mind
You're never gonna change my mind
You're gonna change my mind
You're never gonna change my mind
Never gonna change my mind
My man
song uh makes you yeah i was i was bouncing in my chair as i was listening to that i like oh yeah
i i have a hard time not dancing uh when i hear songs like that you know because it i was up in
my room moving around and hopping because it's just you know it's one of those feel-good tracks
um that that really kind of gets you gets you ready for whatever's coming your way you know
But the message there is what, you know, I kind of live by a lot of the times because I find myself, you know, I'm very creative.
I have a lot of crazy ideas and a lot of things in my head all the time.
And so when I get these ideas, you know, and I'm also one of those people who are like, fuck it, I could do this.
You know, like I'm kind of fearless in that way.
Um, and so everybody else around me, those oftentimes, ah, you're crazy.
Why would you do that?
No, don't do that.
You know, like this whole V4V music thing.
You're going to start a record label now.
Really?
No.
Oh my God.
You're an idiot.
You know?
Oh, and then you're going to go into Bitcoin.
Oh, you're stupid.
Oh, wait, you're going to do Bitcoin music.
Yeah.
Okay.
Oh, and then you're going to do Noster.
Yeah.
Come on.
Right.
So, so everybody all along the way keeps telling me I'm crazy.
I'm an idiot.
you know, and you're just, you know, glutton for punishment. Maybe that's true. But you know what?
I'm happy. I love doing this. And I think it's making other people happy. And it's really
improving people's lives. So, you know, it's worth it. Do you think Bitcoiners live while they're
alive? Or are they living for some distant future when there will be hyper Bitcoinization?
and in the present they're just trying to stock sats and huddle yeah you know that's it's a really
interesting question because i think a lot of bitcoiners tend to go to the extreme um and and
that's fine we need people like that right like i said we need the people that are hey you're crazy
right um those are the people that are leading the way um so yeah i do think most bitcoiners
aren't living for today, they're living for tomorrow, which is completely opposite from the
fiat sort of mindset. And so that's great to have that sort of phase shift, because I think we need
more balance in this world, more people who are thinking about tomorrow, not for today.
But I would encourage a lot of Bitcoiners out there, tomorrow doesn't come if you can't get
past today. So I would encourage them to like, you know, live for today, just a little bit,
Right. Spend a little bit of your sats with other Bitcoiners, you know, tip the musicians that you hear, because all of this, you know, hyper Bitcoinization doesn't happen if all you do is hodl.
If you're the only one in the world stacking all the sats, who cares? Right.
The only way that money becomes money is if it's used as money.
So we need to use some of our Bitcoin.
We need to, you know, spread it out and create this economy, create this ecosystem that we
want.
And so, you know, we talk a lot about hyper Bitcoinization.
Well, what creates that?
Well, that's like a circular economy, right?
We have to cut out the fiat world.
We don't need them.
We don't want them.
So we need to be self-sufficient amongst ourselves.
So if we can create that self-sufficiency in a circular economy, well, you start drilling
down even further and you say, OK, what makes an economy, right?
What parts of it are there?
I mean, there's obvious stuff like food, shipping and all that.
But there's also, you know, all the other stuff, too.
There's music and everything else that goes with life, right?
There's entertainment and all that.
And so, you know, and it's tough because we're living in this world right now where everything's driven to the price of free in the music world.
And so artists are struggling, but, you know, they can't create if they're not being supported.
um and then obviously if you you know the the rest of the world the fiat world thinks they're
supporting them by streaming their music on spotify and i mean yeah they kind of are but
they're also feeding the virus right um and so v4v music is sort of like penicillin i think you
know it's sort of the this is the cure as uh ivy luthie uh had said on on your show last week um
You know, I think this is the music is the cure for your soul.
And so the reason why I wanted to bring Abel James onto this show,
a song onto this show is because actually,
and it's a little bit selfish on my part,
but he's actually going to be performing live on South by Worldwide on Saturday.
he's uh playing on saturday at uh from eight to ten on a super huge two-hour set he's also going
to be playing alongside of sob and the dangs which is another uh v4v uh band that we have on here um
and so the two of them are going to be doing saturday uh from eight to ten live set streaming
from south by worldwide um and and and for those of you who don't know what south by worldwide is
Um, it's this crazy project that, uh, we sort of took on, uh, on the 12th hour, uh, to put
together a four day music festival, um, in the midst of South by Southwest.
Um, so we're a side gig on the side.
We have a secret warehouse location, uh, where we will be streaming from.
Um, this whole show was put together by community members of Noster and Bitcoiners, no one else,
no one from the legacy world.
And I'm talking to everybody from top to bottom.
The venue is controlled by Bitcoiners. The MCs, DeLorean and Wolf of Kansas City, two of them are podcasters in this V4V space and the DMU space.
You know, they have bull after bull as well as Homegrown Hits. They're two major shows. Make sure you catch those.
You know, we're going to have a special Homegrown Hits live on location.
So they'll be our emcees.
All the artists, every single one of them are V4V musicians.
They're musicians that are either going to be live streamed or have sent in pre-recorded sets or are also going to be playing live on stage.
And so it's going to be this crazy, fun, musical extravaganza.
We're calling it a variety show, just trying to get anybody who wants to sort of, you know, from this V4V space that wants to get their sound out there, that wants to, you know, to be heard.
We want to be give you a voice and we want to give you a place to do that.
And then we're going to be. And the cool thing is, you know, as all V4V productions are, it's Bitcoin enabled, lightning enabled.
So you'll be able to tip your artists as you go.
The splits change as the music changes, the splits changes.
Whoever's on screen is going to be, you know, getting those stats that you tip.
And and it'll be played throughout, you know, the Austin area.
We've got a couple of different screens where it's going to be on.
So people will see it.
You know, normies will see it.
And that's that's kind of the key here.
And we're trying to do two different things. Right.
So for the normie side of things, the rest of the world, we want to show them like, hey, this world exists and there's incredible music and the technology is amazing.
So you just kind of have to, if this even interests you, come jump in and see what it's all about.
So we have it very friendly for that audience.
But we also have it for the Noster community, right?
For the Bitcoin community, for the V4V community, because these are our people.
you know it's it's coming from the inside and we're just building this out this is us against
the world sort of thing it's all it's a lot of my favorite music I'll be honest picked a lot of
bands that I liked and then but if anybody also and just kind of going out to any of the bands
that are out there right now you know if you want to send in a pre-recorded set there's still time
to get in before because because of our amazing technology you know we can just we can drop you
in pretty easily and make it happen. So, you know, any artists that are out there, but yeah,
yeah. Get ahold of me, DM us, hash power music. But I also wanted to shout out just a few people
that made this happen, you know, that really were integral because this was a 12 hour sort of
situation, you know, trying to put on 24 hours of full music, right. It's four days worth of music.
it's quite a bit of an undertaking. And so I couldn't have done it without people like
Eric PP, who's working on a lot of the boost boards and the leaderboards type stuff.
Booberry, who's been integral. He was the guy who did a lot of those satellite skirmishes and
everything like that, the satellite shows. So he's got a lot of the sort of very fun back end
plumbing sort of situations.
Chad F., who I think a lot of you guys know, he's just been such a big supporter.
He's been so helpful on the technology side of things and just making sure things work.
And then, of course, I have to shout out Sir Spencer, Wolf, Kansas City.
He's going to be one of our emcees.
And he's also been integral in, you know, getting the ground crew together, setting everything
up, you know, making sure our streams are working.
And same with DeLorean.
You know, she's making sure our feet is up, making sure that our
can get boosted, ours can get zapped, you know, like all the lightning addresses and
all that sort of back end stuff.
And then, you know, and I want to also shout out Shadrach for having the venue available
for us, creating this amazing space.
You guys will love it if you tune in and you can tune in at sxworldwide.xyz.
That's where we'll be streaming it right now.
The page is sort of info page, but then we'll swap it over to a watch page right before.
and uh but you can watch it there but the the venue is incredible it's this old warehouse um
that uh kind of got taken down and then converted into this super bohemian sort of gypsy vibe with
tapestries everywhere and like soft uh furniture all over the place um so it should be a really
really cool vibe so we're trying to make it like uh sort of a gypsy circus variety show theme
sort of thing. So it'll be a lot of fun. So I hope you guys show up and zap and boost and
there's comments enabled. There's a super chat. So, you know, make your voice heard.
This is going out to the world. Love it. Sounds like a fantastic event. And I was actually going
to ask you if this is you're doing this along with the Web5 folks, because on Friday, I'm going
to be joining. You mentioned Shadrach. I'm going to be joining a live stream to talk about not about
the podcast, but my TV show, Finding Home, some of the work I'm doing with the Indie Hub folks,
Zach Mahoney and others. So I think this is all part of the same thing.
Yep. Yeah. You're on the schedule. You're on the schedule and we're excited to have you.
That's part of the whole variety show of it, right? So we're going to have some panels and
interviews and obviously Avi's going to be there. I'm very excited to hear what you guys are going
to have to say about, you know, what you're doing with Indie Hub because, you know, say around Indie
because like, uh, and, and as, as, you know, and everything that you're doing, because it's,
it's, it's all about the entertainment side of it. Right. And so all these technology that we're
kind of building together, it's all going to mesh together and, and become the, build out our
ecosystem, right. This whole sort of circular music economy that we've got going on, not just
music, but circular entertainment economy. Yeah. Yeah. It's a whole culture, right. It's kind of
what we've been talking about. Um, and I just kind of want everything, anything that sort of pushes
this is forward you know i'm all about and supporting because it's it's that i think it's
the way right that's the way forward love it love it all right so why don't we play your next song
uh it's do you want to talk a little bit about that i believe it's spin yeah by the trusted
this next track is spin uh by the trusted we just released uh the real the original version
maybe like three-ish weeks ago, something like that.
The Trusted is actually a very interesting story.
And just real quick, they're, I think,
the first band ever to be discovered and signed
from the V4V world, from Valueverse.
So they were one of the bands that I, you know,
because after we uploaded the Velvix and the Retrograde,
you know, we started getting more ingrained in the community.
And I was listening to a lot of different tracks.
Abel James was one of the ones that I heard.
And The Trusted was one of them as well.
And so when we heard them, I thought, man, these guys kind of get it.
Now, you know, and they've got a great sound.
Brit Rock is kind of coming up.
And so, yeah, we signed them to management.
And, you know, we've been working with them on their new EP and everything.
So like I said, this is the second single off of their upcoming EP, Spin.
However, this is a little bit different.
This one is their live version, that acoustic live version that they played on the BBC introducing radio show somewhat recently.
So see what you think about this one.
Spin is normally kind of a festival song for bigger, larger crowds.
So it'd be kind of cool to bring it down acoustically.
This is Spin by The Trusted.
guitar solo
I found it sliding down the walls, throw me in the opera.
This paper cut glass is cutting through the system.
Nothing's built to last.
My vertigo head is stuffed with regret.
And I'm arguing with angels.
I hate that we exist, but sometimes I like it.
Sometimes I like it
Cause I wanna be your real thing
I wanna make you spin
I wanna be your real thing
My carousel of pins
I wanna be your real thing
I wanna make you spin
I wanna be your real thing
Real thing
Our autocratic love
Has always been corrupt
I have my shadows
Don't interrupt
This cheerleader on me
Is here to destroy
Everything you want
Everything you are
Cause I wanna be your real thing
I wanna make you spin
I wanna be your real thing
My carousel of pins
I wanna be your real thing
I wanna be your real thing I wanna make you spin
I wanna be yours I'm up in orbit
No, I can't ignore it I need some control
No, I won't take it No, I won't take it
Let's quietly revolve Let's quietly
My vertical head is like a high speed jet
I can't live without the trauma
So let's try to exist
And maybe we'll like it
Maybe we'll like it
Cause I wanna be your real thing
I wanna make you spin
I wanna be your real thing
My carousel of pins
I wanna be your real thing
I wanna make you spin
I wanna be your real thing
Wanna make you spin
I want to be your real thing
That was Spin by The Trusted.
Lovely acoustic version there.
Enjoy that.
Nice, pleasant song.
Yeah, you know, that track is one of those where
it really speaks to, I think, kind of like human interactions
and how things sort of are, you know, you want to find authenticity.
You want to find the real thing.
And you want to, you know, live an authentic life.
And a lot of times, you know, it takes finding that other person
and then kind of spinning out of control and going kind of a little bit crazy
with that person to really discover yourself and to find the truth.
Um, at least that's how I, I hear the song, you know, um, and, and that's how I interpret it
anyways. And so that kind of speaks to me as well, because, um, I, I, I'm, I'm very introspective.
Um, I like to think about, uh, myself from a philosophical level and like kind of what my
place in this world and what I'm doing, why I'm here, all that sort of stuff. Right. Um,
and so this song kind of, when I hear it, it makes me reflect. Um, it really makes me kind of think,
And that's why I think that's why I kind of put it on this Sunday brunch playlist here, because, you know, I think it's the perfect time.
You know, it's the end of the week. It's the sort of you're sitting down to a, you know, a late breakfast and early lunch, kind of hanging out.
And it's a great time to think about your life and think about the people in your life and their effects on you, your effects on them.
And, you know, all of you reflect on your relationships and, you know, how those people have brought you to where you are today.
Yeah. Definitely a lovely sentiment. Why don't we jump straight to your next song here? Do you want to talk a little bit about that? This is by an artist called Mookie, correct?
Yeah, yeah. So Mookie is a local artist to me, which was awesome. And I've got a kind of an interesting story, but I know we're a little bit pressed on time. But this song is a completely new song to DMU, to the Valleyverse. So was the Velvix's favorite child, actually. I uploaded these two tracks specifically for this show.
Um, and so, uh, this is one of the songs, one of the first early songs of Mookie's that I had heard.
Uh, he's one of the bands I, I, uh, signed to hash power, um, to try to see what we could do, you know, with what he had.
So I'll let you guys play the song first and then we'll, uh, we can talk about it after.
This is shotgun by Mookie.
Shy gun, suicide
Left your mom and your brother behind
Shy gun, bed you deny
If you saw your daddy crying for the first time
Shotgun suicide
Calling for a gun in the right
Shotgun suicide
My good friend died last year
To hold another cut
card
GREG regions
After the night you saw your daddy crying for the first time
Shotgun suicide
Calling for a gun or a ride
Shotgun suicide
Maybe you're well
Hoping you don't
Cigarette smoke
Feeling no, no, no
Choke
My heart and you're scared
Looking to kill you
Your smile's dying
But you're feeling too ill to cope
Thank you.
Hold on as it closes just goes by you be fine Hold on can help me it a hand up tight We will lie Just hold on
Hold on, hold on
Just hold on, hold on
Shotgun, suicide
Left your mom and your brother behind
Shotgun, edge of the knife
You saw your daddy crying for the first time
Shotgun, suicide
Calling for a gun on the right
Shotgun
Suicide
That was Shotgun by Mookie.
Beautiful song.
I think the thing that sticks out is the pronunciation of shotgun.
It does stand out.
Yeah, you know, Mookie is very quirky.
He's a really interesting dude.
His music is multifaceted.
I don't know if you've heard of any of his other tracks, but a lot of them aren't the same.
Let me say so.
I, you know, OK, so I believe in synchronicity and, you know, and serendipity and all that sort of stuff, like full heartedly, because I think there's you got to grab it when it comes to you.
Right. And so a few years ago, a horrible neighbor moved out right next to me.
And, um, after a long process, uh, a new guy moved in.
Um, and it turns out he's in the music business.
He's in sync licensing.
Um, he has two kids the same ages as mine.
Um, and so we became fast friends and it was perfect.
It was awesome.
Right.
And so one day he says, Hey man, uh, I've got this band, uh, Mookie, uh, check it out.
So he sends it to me and, you know, he knows me.
I like rock and roll.
It's just like awesome rock track.
I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm down with this.
The thing is, check this one out.
So he sends me this other track.
I remember it was Susie Brown.
It was just full on funk.
I mean, it was like the most funkalicious, dank ass song.
You know, like it was, you know, you could tell Susie was getting down on this one.
It's like, wow, this is the same guy, you know, and he sends me another track and it's
just a full on rap song.
I mean, like I'm talking like Ludacris.
He's going off and just like, I'm like, holy shit.
Right.
So I'm like, he's like, yes, dude's playing later tonight.
You want to go?
I'm like, you fucking kidding me?
Yeah.
I want to know what's going on here.
Like I need to find out.
So I get there, we get to the bar and this is the middle of nowhere.
I'm talking like it's in the ghetto.
It's real bad.
It's the most, you know, divey of dive bars.
We walk in and the first thing I hear, as soon as I walk in, I hear from the stage,
Hey, I'm Lee Cleveland.
I'm from Detroit.
and he starts playing and sorry this is in Cleveland right so I'm in Cleveland and he goes
I'm Lee Cleveland I'm from Detroit and he starts playing and then I look up and he's just belting
I look up and the dude's got one arm the guy's name his band is Lee Cleveland and the left hand
band he's missing his left arm and so he's got his guitar I'm talking he's got it you know Jimi
Hendrix style he's holding it and he's like strumming or strumming with his nub and he's got
he's fingering with his right hand playing this amazing track you know talking about somebody about
a robot arm or something it's pretty funny and then he goes and grabs the bass guitar flips it
over and starts fingering with his like what you know i don't mean to be offensive but like the the
nut part like and then he's you know and strumming with his fingers like holy shit what is going on
tonight right this band was incredible you know i had to go and talk to him and everything like that
But then Mookie gets on and his live performance.
And this is in my philosophy with music is if you're blown away by the live performance, then you have to like there's something there because, quote unquote, anyone can, you know, create an amazing studio track if you had enough auto tune and everything and all the technology.
Right. Had enough AI, you could probably do it real nice.
But you can't fake live.
And so when you hear real talent live, like that's it.
That's that, you know.
And so his repertoire, his whole range is just amazing.
So I urge you to check out Mookie's music on V4V.
There's tons of it out there.
Yeah, we'll definitely do so.
Let's talk a little bit about, go back and talk a little bit about Hashbar music.
So you said the Retrograde was the first band you onboarded, correct?
Yeah, that's right.
Okay.
And then the Velvix is another one.
So how many are you up to now?
Oh, that's a good question.
I'll list them off and you can count them.
So, yeah, we started with the retrograde.
Southern rock, you know, and the Velvix, just full on sort of classic rock styles.
From there, we found the Trusted.
So the Trusted, you know, is the Brit rock.
And then we also, I found Mookie.
you know so we found him locally but then we also have a band out in LA called Circle the Earth
and these guys are kind of actually one of the the bassist is an old friend and they have a band
that they've been trying to build up for quite a while and they've got a very interesting story
because their whole band is from all over the place right that's why they're Circle the Earth
and so we signed them and working with them on v4v stuff so we were they had we had them under
management for a while and then their guitarist uh kazuki takaji he went solo and so we picked up
his project as well and he's an incredible guitarist so if you ever go uh to any of the
podcasting apps view for view music or anything like that um you can find kazuki takaji um he's
the lead guitarist and he's just he has genius fingers i don't know how he does it um but he's
one of the best guitarists i've ever heard um he absolutely shreds so and then um yeah and then
let's see here i think who am i missing um this is that was six or seven i lost count
yeah i actually have to check my my nostril profile to see oh right and so we also have um
vicious clay uh so that that's another interesting one as well because um so the velvics and you know
that that's a band that doesn't exist anymore those guys broke up uh right after we cut their
album right before we developed it yeah so this is another oh no yeah so this was i mean this was
years ago like we we we you know we did we actually we cut their album at the foo fighter studio 606
studios um the foo fighters engineer was the one who put it all together um like their lead
engineer and all that and it was incredible and everything was was great um but you know as music
goes like things move very slowly sometimes um and it doesn't hit until it hits and so they were
kind of getting anxious.
And then one thing leads to another thing and then drama happens and there is a
Yoko Ono situation.
Um,
then there was a divorce and then there was a eloping and the band broke and
broke up.
And so,
uh,
the,
the guitarist,
uh,
for them,
he left and he said,
I'm going to start my own project.
And he's out in New York right now.
Um,
and that's a vicious clay.
So that's Vinny,
uh,
any of the Velvics will,
formerly of the Velviks. Um, he's Vicious Clay and he's an incredible guitarist as well. Uh,
yeah, definitely check out a lot of his, especially if you're kind of into that sort of,
um, nineties sort of rock. Yeah. He's really good. Um, we have right now. Um, but we're always kind
of looking to see what's that next thing. And always for us, you know, it's who can we empower,
You know, because that's what we try to do with the trusted, you know, who can we give a chance to that wouldn't otherwise, you know?
Yeah. So let's talk about the actual day to day of how you work with the bands.
You know, I know you touched upon some of it, but this is beyond just helping them get the RSS feed and out there and all of that.
Right. It's it's you do more than that, I'm assuming.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's a lot more than that.
Um, we, we work very closely with the artists that we sort of sign on.
Um, of course we do have services where we're like, yeah, we'll just, we'll set up your RSS feed and we'll get you up there.
And, you know, and that's sort of that.
Um, but what our focus is, you know, is really developing artists and kind of giving them that leg up that they need.
Uh, because look, it's, it's one of those industries where if you don't know somebody and they don't, you know, then, then you're not going to get very far quite honestly.
or at least it's very, very difficult.
And a lot of the times when you do get to a certain point
where you do get pretty far, you hit a wall
where it's a kind of a boys club, right?
You're going to need to know somebody to get in.
And that's on the legacy side, right?
And so the beauty of like this side,
you can kind of just do it yourself and figure it out, right?
But we're not big enough to do that.
And so part of what we try to do
is to help all the V4V artists that we can and promote them on the legacy side, wherever we can,
you know, to try to get their sound out there. And part of that is, right, we're putting our name on
that. So we're saying, hey, look, like this is somebody that we vet, somebody that we think are
incredible and that you should give a chance. And so as part of that, well, we need to develop them
and making sure and help them to, you know, be the best that they can be, to be, you know, to really
help you round out your sound and and help you with strategies on you know marketing and and and
promotion and publishing you know and all those sort of things and navigating the sharks in the
water because what ends up happening is as soon as you're you know your music starts to take off
uh you're gonna get a ton of offers from a ton of sharks from a ton of people who don't have your
best interest in mind um and so it's just helping these artists navigate those waters because it's
it's, it's really bad out there. Um, and it easily get taken advantage of. So, you know,
and, and so, so we, we, we help from all angles. Right. So like, and it really depends,
we work with artists based off of what they want and what they need from us. Right. Cause we're
not here to tell you, Hey, you got to do all a, B and C to make it. Um, there's no formula. Uh,
you know, you have to work with the music that you have, the audience that you have,
bring your fans along for the ride. And, you know, and then when the time comes in the right
circumstances happen put you in the right years you know and is the model uh that you you get
the boost or zap splits on um on the songs or is it beyond that i mean i'm assuming the music goes
on spotify and these other venues as well not just right so it goes it goes beyond um and it but it
depends on where you sign with us you know in what capacity um so you know our bands are all they all
kind of have different deals and different things going on and, you know, with different levels of
involvement. And that affects then, you know, what we do on the V4V side of things. So the way we sort
of look at it is this helps us make a better deal for those guys, because none of them, you know,
pretty much none of them were other than the trusted, like even knew what Bitcoin was before
kind of getting into all this stuff. Right. And, you know, they were willing to learn and listen
and hear it out. But they, they, you know, that Bitcoin is like a nothing thing to them, right?
It's magic internet money. So for them, like they're able to get a lot of services that they
were looking for, for quote unquote free to them, right? Because, you know, that's not money for
them right now, but at the start. And so we sign a deal with them. We take, you know, a certain
percentage of, of, of their V4V stuff. And usually for us, it's a little bit higher because around
like 20% or something, because part of that pays for what we're doing on the legacy side.
So they don't end up, you know, paying us a dollar out of pocket to start out. It's only,
only if they earn and we earn. Right. And so that's part of the model too, where we say like,
we don't want to gouge you because we know you need that money for other things. So let's,
you know, let's succeed together. And so we take a larger cut of their V4V streaming,
stuff. However,
streaming splits and everything.
But we provide a lot of free
service and a lot of sort of
add-on stuff. We do
almost all
the artwork for all of our
bands and everything like that, all the promotional
posters, all that
sort of stuff too.
We basically take on a whole lot We say look what do you need to succeed Where can we fill a gap That basically our model
Gotcha.
I'm actually looking at podcast index and I happen to go to the retrograde.
I actually don't see you in their split.
Oh, yeah.
So for them, the way we sort of set it up with them was, you know, they said, I don't want to deal with any of this.
Like, I don't want to deal with the Bitcoin side of things because I don't get it and I'm going to screw it up.
Right. So so they said, can you create a wallet for us where we just kind of have everything in there and then we can use as a band fund and all that sort of stuff?
And so when they were, you know, so they're not fine with us anymore.
They're independent now. They're kind of out there and they're getting bigger and better.
They're huge. And that's sort of our model as well. Right.
to kind of push them out so that they can get signed or onto a bigger label that can do more
for them, right? Because we have our limitations as well over here. And so, you know, we still have
a good relationship with them. And so we just kind of have all that sitting in a fund, a single one
just makes it easier. And we sort of, yeah, spend out of that one as we need. Gotcha. Yeah. I just
checked with the velvics and i now i i can see the split uh there yeah yeah so it depends on like
it depends on the you know the the band that we're at and the deal that we have with them
and so it sort of affects the setup on the wallet side
okay so let's play your last song uh do you want to talk a little bit about that before we play it
yeah so so so this is um the next song is going to be called blood perfume by survival guide
and she's one of my like recent finds for me uh that i'm absolutely in love with um i love her
sound she's dark she's moody um but she you know has a lot of soul in what she's trying to say
but she's also very unique and creative and i i i find myself gravitating towards weird creative
interesting quirky stuff right and so this um this album that i think it's her latest album
called Death Dreams.
But as part of this album,
she actually released a cocktail book called Death Drinks.
And that pairs with the album,
each track as a drink pairing with recipe
and a little bit of, you know, talk, talking,
whatever, talky bits about descriptions about the drink
and how it, you know, pairs with the song,
you know, tasting notes or whatever.
So I thought that was super cool, super creative.
it's available on our website if you want to go get it
she's not one of our bands
but I just love her music
to death and I love
her message in this one
is kind of
you'll hear it
yeah
this is Blood Perfume
by Survival Guide
all you gotta do is believe me
I love the way
Let you trust me
I love the way you're putting on a buff me
It's your turn
Prove that you love me
My words become your scriptures
Got the best
Evidential pictures
I know you better than you do
You know how much I protect you
You can't say no
To the brightest teeth in the room
You can't say no
When I slip a little bit of blood
Into my perfume
Just a little bit
Into my perfume
I'm in it, I'm gone
You wake first thing, wanna see me
I make it so so easy
Just kneel and kiss my feetsies
That's all you gotta do to appease me
So go and play the part now
I'll allow you to feel smart now
You think it's your decision
And as you execute my vision
You can't say no
To the brightest teeth in the room
You can't say no
When I slip a little bit of your blood
Into my love, you
Into my perfume
Just a little bit
Into my perfume
A bit of your mind
I will keep you safe
If you take my hand, do not look away.
Give me all you have.
You can't say no
To the brightest teeth in the room
You can't say no
When I slip a little bit of your blood
Into my love, you
You can't say no
When I slip a little bit of your blood into my fucking shoe
That was Blood Perfume by Survival Guide.
I love that.
In fact, the thing that kept recurring in my head
is Blood Perfume would have been a great name
for a Bond movie in the Pierce Brosnan era,
and this would have been a fantastic theme song
for that Bond movie.
I've got to go talk to my neighbor about this,
getting her into some movies,
because absolutely the atmosphere and everything,
oh, it's perfect.
It's absolutely 007.
Great.
Yeah, you know, so Survival Guide,
like I said, she's one of my new favorites recently
that I've been listening to on repeat forever.
She's actually going to be playing live as well
on South by Worldwide.
She's going to be on Saturday at 3 p.m. Central.
um so from three to four uh she'll be rocking it so definitely go and check her out um she's got
the full band with her this time um and then also you know i hope i didn't gloss over it but i think
i'm not sure if we confirm the time but uh yours you're coming on what friday at 1 p.m central
that is what uh i spoke to shadrach about yes i have it as as as to eastern um
is there a schedule up somewhere there is not yet i mean i've got a schedule here but we're still
sort of shifting acts around just a little bit because we have most of our music acts uh solidified
and everything like that um but we just want to move some interviews and panels and talky bits
um you know to round out the the programming uh to make sure you know it's interesting for
everybody the whole way through yeah and i know shadrach also wanted me to reach out to oscar
Oscar Mary from Fountain
if he wanted to be
part of one of those talks
so Oscar
if you're listening
then reach out to me
and I'll connect you to Shadrach
I don't think you have a direct line
to each other
or I don't know
would you be a good person to talk to?
Yeah, yeah, actually
I'm kind of working on all the programming
so yeah, absolutely
if he wants to reach out to me
I would absolutely love to have him on
we've got a music tech sort of panel that we're trying to put together with uh chad f uh so i
think oscar and chad f would have a great conversation oh yeah both great folks uh both
friends of the show uh actually since since we're talking about it we might as well take a minute to
talk about logistics my talk um when i on friday is that going to be um what is that is that a panel
or will someone be asking me questions about finding home?
How's that going to work?
How do you want it to work?
Yeah, I mean, we can make it happen how you would like it.
This one, I think Shadrack is sort of taking the charge on.
Okay, I'll talk to him.
We have you and I believe we do have someone from IndieHub also there.
Yeah, Zach.
So I'm thinking what we can do is we can have either DeLorean or Spencer, one of our emcees, interview the two of you in the sort of panel-ish type of setting.
And then, yeah, you guys can talk about your different projects and how they sort of align and everything like that.
And in fact, can you give a little preview about what you sort of want to talk about with that?
I think my understanding and
Shadrach's been busy so we've just exchanged
a few notes
one of the things they want
to do is highlight
the work they're doing with IndieHub
the Web5 and all of it
I don't know if they still call it Web5
whatever the technology stack
the folks out in Austin are building
the Bitcoin Noster stuff
they're working with IndieHub
and Finding Home
is the project on IndieHub
Finding Home is my travel show
So that's the project on IndieHub that they want to showcase as part of the whole technology stack.
Gotcha.
Yeah.
You know, like that's part of the whole like South by, you know, thing, right?
Like we're trying to showcase what we can do with technology, what we can do on the entertainment side of things over here.
And so, yeah, you know, IndieHub with all the movies and stuff like that.
They're also getting into music as well.
I think it'll, yeah, it'll be really cool.
yeah for sure anything else you want to plug on the south by worldwide um no i mean other than
other than look uh you know tune in because a lot of your nostril favorites are going to be on here
um i can even run through the quick list of what i've got um it'll be pretty interesting so we have
an open mic section set segment um we have a couple new bands like heuristic he's going to be doing
some Deep House techno stuff.
There's Fire Spinning.
Strangelove is going to be doing an interview.
We've got the whole Homegrown Hits show.
It's going to be a music video show.
That'll be really interesting.
There's Helene with some healing music.
We're going to have them on a talk
on a panel with Ivy Lumi.
And, Ivy, you're the reason that happened.
I was listening to your show last week
and Ivy shouted them out.
And I was like, well, that's a perfect pairing.
you know um great so i had to make that happen um you know bear sounds project uh like i said we've
got uh chad f abel james is going to be uh speaking uh anonymous sent in a pre-recorded set
from uh satconf um so that'll be really cool um then we're also then restreaming uh maggie mays so
so uh open mic he's got a show uh happening at maggie mays which is like a metal show he's got
two different stages um we're hopefully going to be switching cameras between the two because i
don't think they're streaming that on toonster um so we'll pick up that stream forum um and run it
on south by worldwide uh so that'll be going all friday night uh we've got uh hopefully fingers
crossed mad monkey and the 2140 boys uh in this set uh they've had some technical issues with their
equipment uh because they've been busy they're traveling all the time setting up uh you know
putting together equipment and putting it, taking it apart. Um,
so had some mishaps. So we'll see how that goes. Um,
a big chest to my brother, Mad monkey, if you're listening, my friend,
but carry on Yeah Yeah For sure man Mad monkeys he a man Um uh we also have a panel with open mic so he be coming on Um the higher low has sent in some some stuff We got Strange Love like I said and then we got Survival Guide who going to be playing live
We've also got a totally new guy, Cameron Shipwreck Bowman.
The two of them actually are going to...
Sorry, Cameron Shipwreck Bowman and Euristic are both going to be playing from Cambodia.
They're coming in on sunrise.
So it's 5 p.m. Central, but there will be a sunrise their time at an outdoor venue in Cambodia.
So that'll be insane.
Can't wait for that.
We also have a new artist, Josh Rogan.
He's one of our guys.
He'll be live streaming as well.
Hear My Roar and Abel James and SOB and the Dings.
And then still not done.
We still have Ravner Salinas, another new artist.
and then Fable, Sarah Jade, and Longhi.
And that's not even all of them.
We're still kind of getting people.
Wait, they're coming?
Longhi's coming?
And here am I wrong?
No, so unfortunately, those guys are all going to be sending in pre-recorded sets.
Yeah, most of the guys, and because it was just unfortunately
like the last minute nature of this,
a lot of the guys just couldn't make it out.
And it's South by Southwest tickets are like, you know, five, six hundred bucks,
you know, domestic on short hauls. So it's kind of crazy to get down there. But the cool thing is,
and this is, you know, the whole Nostra of it, right, is that this is what we're going to,
we're doing what we can and put this like amazing show together. This, you know, it's going to be
what it's going to be. And then we, because we're integrated as all Bitcoiners, it's all Nostra.
you know we have the venue we have all the artists here we have everything we can you know we're
going to be putting on more and more shows as we go and so as we sort of learn from the first uh
build it out to being the best that we can make it um you know the next one's going to be even
bigger and better and incredible so the the FOMO is something I really wish I could be there um
and and I know I mean both Zach Shadrach and others have been asking me to come I just
traveling is a bit of a bit of an issue for me right now which I need to solve through but
but yeah maybe the next one is now is this going to be streamed on zap.stream or
Noster live streaming so we will have Noster live streaming that's that's gonna that's definitely
in the books we're going to be creating an end pub for the for the venue because like I said
we're going to have more and more of this this is just the first of many so maybe in a little bit
smaller scale, you know, but we'll see. But this, you know, we'll have an end pub for it. And so
it'll be streaming on Noster. I think we're working on seeing how we can sort of hook it up
with ZapDop stream may and whatever else, you know, that's out there. So if anybody's got
suggestions on where else we should put it, let us know. We're, you know, like we're trying to get
it working everywhere we can because, you know, we want this heard worldwide.
Yeah. I mean, I would perhaps suggest doing a custom Zapstream setup, honestly. I mean, you can use the public Zapstream as well, but like this show, Sunday Brunch, my Plep Chain Radio, all my shows, I do it on my hosted Zapstream instance.
it'll take an hour or two to get it set up
and you should probably
invest in a somewhat beefy box
on DigitalOcean
when I say beefy
on DigitalOcean, 30-40 bucks a month
Are you able to run that
on a self-hosted server or anything like that?
Yeah, it's all self-hosted
that's what I'm saying
I could do it off a local machine
but I'm doing it on DigitalOcean
for the convenience
So, I mean, that just gives you, it removes the dependency on the public's app stream, because at that point, that's like, I mean, they have, it's gotten a lot better now, but they were having denial of service attacks day after day after day for the longest time.
I don't think that's an issue anymore.
But if you want to take matters entirely into your own hands, then, you know, if you have someone on the team who can spend the hour or two to get the DigitalOcean setup working and test it out, that's way more reliable, I think.
Yeah, we'll take a look at it for sure.
You know, one of the things that, you know, like you said, because this whole thing is, you know, self-custody, right?
That's the whole ethos of Bitcoin and everything like that, right?
Being able to do it on your own self-hosting and all that sort of stuff.
Right.
And so one of the things that we're using from the technology stack is called the split kit.
There's this cool thing created by Stephen B.
Shout out to him for putting that all together.
But it's like it has like an integrated sort of watch page and everything, too.
So it's also kind of a restream thing.
But its primary innovation is that we can switch wallets and everything live.
you know we can have it all sort of baked into the show based off of time stamps and everything
like that um and then you know we have all the sort of zap boost type um you know leaderboards
and all those little modules that we can throw in there and obviously the video and overlays and all
that sort of stuff um when people boost in it's going to be zap in uh obviously you can put a
comment right and so those comments will show up in like a super chat on the on the corner
or on the side.
And then they'll also sort of have a little graphic flash up.
We've got a cool little image that we created for it.
It'll sort of flash for a few minutes on screen
for all the viewers.
So you can get your voice out there
and people can see your messages and stuff.
And all that works through the split kit.
But because this is streaming
and because we have digital signals,
we can pipe it through a whole bunch of different feeds,
including like zapped off stream so yeah we'll definitely look into it and see what we can put
together in time awesome all right uh so it's come to the point of the show where i play my song
the one song that i choose um and i'm bringing back a band that uh i've played before uh it's
every now and then i play a song like this just to make sure people aren't falling asleep i mean i
doubt it. You had a really great
set list there.
But this one is called
The Marrow's
Chant by
Heartlight.
Where is break of the rock that will fall along the way?
What can she reach?
She's the dredgerish shore
In a forgotten place
Remnant of yore
The peasants these medicine times
Stroud and hide them and wait for the fight
The loneliest fight to save her
She lost the blood in the icy meanders
The long wishes her forgotten mother
She escaped the mad creatures
Over the seas they have sailed
To finally find the island of heaven
They will slain up as the gods
Cargol away, spread out the rocks that will sword along their way
Under the redress of the horizon
Fails the crew for its expedition
Of the long-league and barren coast
When it was just a ghost
The flame of seven guns
Fandered
And the brigands ascent from the bottom
Punished into
Through the turned circles
Of the god of elaboration
Over the seas
They have sailed
To finally find
The island of fear, they will slay opposite gods
Conquer the waves, break up the rise
Will fall along their way
I get up on a fateful day
Its mouth threatens to annihilate
When all we are dead, whose enchanted thread
Slaps into the beast and pierces it to the end
Lost in the pit of the slashed ground
The mirror is singing, living in sound
And made it cheerfully run on the door
They live from the light of the wind and the wind
Over the seas, they have sailed To finalize the anvil
They will slay against the gods
Over the seas, they have sailed To finalize the anvil
They will slay against the gods
Counter the waves, break off the wards
That could fall along their way
That was the Marrow's Chant by Heartlight, French symphonic metal band Purple Pilled and brought to the open music ecosystem by Scardust.
yeah holy cow that was that was a track uh man i love her vocal range uh like she's got
i've heard some of her other other tracks and you know she's got the lows she's got the high
this is incredible um and that guitar wow yeah you know that's so low with something else i felt
the heat from over here you know yeah um but uh you know they they have that very um evanescent
sort of feel, you know, um, but, but harder, you know? Yes. Yeah. I love it. I love their sound.
You know, we try to, we try to get them onto the South by worldwide. Uh, but unfortunately they're
playing a show, um, in, in Lyon on, uh, on the 14th. So if anyone's in France, you should definitely
go check them out and then, and then get back on the stream. Right. Great band. All right. Um,
so but and uh you know we've covered a lot is there anything you feel uh we didn't talk about
which you want to plug no i mean i think we talked about everything in under the sun um this is um
thanks thanks so much for having me on this has been so much fun um you know i just love kind of
hanging out and listening to music and just shooting the shit you know yeah for sure um
This is great. So folks, make sure you check out the South by Worldwide Festival that Bartender, Shadrach, so many others are involved in and organizing.
It promises to be an absolute banger. Of course, small plug for my talk on Friday, the 13th of March at 2 p.m. Eastern, 1 p.m. Central, 1 p.m. local time.
but there will be several other amazing things happening
in those four days you said, right?
That's right, Thursday through Sunday.
Four days of Friday.
Yeah, I mean truly just hats off to you
for taking something so massive on short notice
and it looks like you're going to nail the landing.
I sure hope so.
I mean we had about a month to put this thing together
and that's not a lot of time.
I mean, we were talking, you know, we were trying to figure out if we had enough speakers at the start of this.
So it's been put together like in Noster fashion, you know, by the seat of our pants with as much, you know, with all our heart and to create something beautiful.
So I hope everybody appreciates it and loves it and has, you know, such an amazing weekend with it.
Absolutely. I don't see why not.
All right.
Appreciate you taking the time.
Tender, this is great.
Loved all the stories about the bands
and thank you for all the work you do
to make, to bring, you know,
just to move the culture forward.
That's how we do it, right?
We move this culture forward,
break away from the legacy world
and we build a beautiful parallel city.
That's right.
Build the world you want to have.
Build the world you want to live in.
And live while you're alive.
That's right.
Awesome.
All right. Thank you, Bartender. And thank you to our live stream audience for listening
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