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Welcome, gentle plebs, to the 129th show of Pleb Chain Radio.
Avi is finding home right now.
Actually, he's been in Paraguay for the last two weeks filming.
Looking forward to that episode.
And I'm sure we'll talk more about his journey in finding home next week, next Friday.
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A little bit about culture right now.
We had a big event happen last week and I couldn't even record last week.
My whole family was sick.
so I was the bigger man and I said you know what I gotta cancel this recording
and here I am this week so it's been two weeks but last week was a kind of a shit show in regards
in my opinion of social media so it's something that maybe it was meant to be that I took a week
off but that doesn't matter when it comes to the alliance I want to shout out to the alliance which
is the group of solo miners that actually are coming together for the upendo block party
for the bounty mining that we do on a daily basis, 24-7.
So we're approaching about 420 members.
And I just want to take a moment to appreciate that
because there's a lot of people that want to get into mining,
spread the hash around, and they have no idea where to start.
Let's make it a community thing.
So we created the alliance.
It's fun.
We learn.
And we have a common goal.
Take down the fortress that is foundry and ant pool.
and all these other just hogs in the mempool.
So any way we can decentralize the hash, have some fun, gamify it.
That's what Alliance is all about.
Shout out Wrigley and the up-end-o block party.
The next block party is going to be not this Saturday, but next.
I believe that is the 27th.
But it's biweekly, and we just start channeling hash
and try to hit a block for a good cause.
So more on that.
You can just reach me on Noster or you'll see Alliance.
In regards to the sermon this week, I really kind of reflected having social kind of off Noster for the past week.
A lot of shit going on in my life, and that's great.
It is what it is.
Embrace the chaos.
But I do want to talk about breaking the wedge.
I believe there is something bigger than the noise, and that's purpose.
It always has, and it always will be.
But right now I see a wedge driving through the heart of our purpose. Division is creeping in, splitting the greatest assets to Bitcoin. And I think that's the human layer. Core versus knots, red versus blue, and this relentless tide of what appears to be gore going on at Nostra.
a lot of videos that maybe I don't want to see, outrage flooding our feeds. And, you know,
whether it's the Kirk thing, that girl that got stabbed in the neck on the subway. I mean,
this is just stuff that, you know, it's very polarizing. And it's just, it's not something
I came to Nostra for, but it is something that we deal with. So I think it's something where we got
to stop letting things wedge us. Again, I mean, we have a higher purpose. So it's just not,
noise. It's a weapon, a wedge designed to tear us from each other to make us forget who we are.
You know, and I'm used to seeing that on X. X is where everyone scrolls or feed.
Basically, when you scroll your feed on X, it's like stepping into a ring.
Posts flying like punches, anger amplified until it drowns out reason. That's been the X way.
But when I turned to Nostra and I remember what we built, a haven home for our beloved pleb
culture. Nostra is a place where ideas could breathe, where we could be human together. So
when I see like the last two weeks, what's changing, when did the wedge start slipping
into even our safest place? I see multiple accounts taking breaks or pumping the brakes.
I see a lot of knots versus core arguments. And really, it just gets to a point where it's not
even an argument anymore. It's just a very, it's a passionate faction of just anger, I suppose. So
So, you know, the truth is, it's not just the platform.
It's us.
We're letting the wedge do its work, letting the volume of rage, letting the volume of
anger rise until it drowns out our better selves.
The algorithm, the hot takes, the endless scroll, they're built to push us apart to
make us enemies instead of neighbors.
But we don't have to let that wedge divide us.
We can certainly choose to break it.
Let love prevail.
When we refuse to let division win, it's in the small acts.
listening when we want to shout, building when we're tempted to tear down, holding space for each
other when we don't agree. Our pleb culture, this vibrant, defiant, beautiful thing we've created
is stronger than any wedge. It's ours to protect, to nurture, to rebuild brick by brick,
heart by heart. So just stop. And in closing, I'm asking you to choose purpose, to turn down the
volume on the division and pick up the tools of connection. Let's break the wedge before it breaks
us. Let's build, let's keep building that unshakable foundation for our culture, our community,
our children together, undivided, break the wedge. So that's really it. You know, and whether, you
know, people are angry about things or you, you know, you've been involved in it, or you just
turned off the socials for a couple of weeks. I think there was a lot of people that are just
kind of reflecting, even our buddy Korn DeLorean. It's just an interesting time. So, you know,
the best thing we do is never shift focus from what our purpose is.
And that's kind of what I wanted to say today.
So anyways, let's get to the guest segment.
We have the wonderful, the one and only highly credentialed Rod Palmer from the Bugle.
And we have the one, the only less credentialed open mic.
But he does come with an open wallet.
So that does add to credentials.
Welcome, boys.
hey thanks for having me this is great i'm working on i want to talk about your uh credentials
open mic um where did you go to school we need all the the real credentials you know
uh university of phoenix at all wildly uncredentialed so i'm here i'm here to learn
and the key is when you when you don't have credentials you hang out with people that do
That way you kind of, you know, that merit rubs off.
Does merit rub off, Rod?
Well, I want to say, despite credentials, Open Mike is an avid Bitcoin podcast listener.
And if you don't have credentials, the next best thing you can do is listen to Bitcoin podcast.
Yeah, yeah.
The HPW is definitely something.
And maybe that builds into, you know, NOS or our online identity, that circle of the web of trust where you can log those hours and it kind of levels you up like you're a role player or something.
Yeah, I mean, it's proof of work.
You know, this is what I see.
If you listen to, you can't fake the hours that you listen to, especially if you listen on Fountain, your phone will literally get too hot, like it's burning battery.
So there's like real work that has to go into listening to 40 hours per week.
And aside from that, it's like the Grand Canyon.
When you get to the Grand Canyon, you see it with your own eyes.
The erosion, the weathering that took place over, you know, centuries, millennia, like that cannot be faked.
And the same is inherent when you see a Bitcoin podcast listener, just the way they carry themselves, the macro, the education, the thermodynamics, the way that they can communicate.
It's the proof of work is inherent when you see them.
And do you feel like that is true to you, Mike?
You know, it's fake it till you make it, right?
Maybe you can catch some credentials through Osmosis, hang out with the credentialed, and onward.
How many Bitcoin podcast t-shirts do you own, Mike?
Ooh, that's a pretty sizable number.
I've even got the Bugle crewneck sweatshirt for up here in Minnesota.
I have a Who is Richard Greaser t-shirt.
Nice.
I got from a pleb along the way.
And, you know, I couldn't tell you if it was Richard or not, but someone did hand me that.
So shout out to them.
The comply, the comply sweatshirt is nice to wear around and confuse people.
So I guess there's a burning question that I have.
And let's start with you, Rod.
Are you core or not?
Well, to be honest with you, neither.
I run Bugle Core, which is a fork of Libra relay.
We were the first to actually merge the pull request that was so controversial last May.
So I actually run my own node, my own version, my own node client custom.
So neither side of this.
Your own instance?
uh yeah yeah you can go to it's richard greasers actually github profile and you can see bugle core
um what here we're gonna be adding more to it making a little bit more you know we're not we're
certainly not changing consensus we're not even changing policy we're just gonna be changing a
few other quirks on there um to make it you know more distinct more more something a pioneer would
run. Nice. Nice. And what about you, Mike? Are you core or knots? You know, I'm going to stick,
I'm going to deflect and stick to your sermon. I really appreciated that message and not to.
It's been a weird couple of weeks in social, man. Yeah. You know, whether, whether I jump
void, there was always a distinction between when you, when you scroll X and then when you scroll
Noster. It was never kind of like, there was never really an overlap. And I'm just kind of
saw that in like the last couple, like the last 10 days, two weeks, whatever. And I'm like, man,
these, these arguments are actually going, starting at X and then ending in Noster.
And then we getting screenshots of X. It's like, what is going on here?
We can do better. Right. Yeah. I mean, it's just, it's so,
I mean I think I don think it a surprise that your your intro sermon lands close because I think it a shared experience that most people are going through right now
with whatever your views are
on core knots
or broader society.
But I mean,
if you're on Noster...
It's easy to lose focus.
Yeah, if you're on Noster
and you're in Bitcoin,
I mean,
we're pretty goddamn close
to like being like-minded, right?
Like, can we just behave that way?
And, you know, hang out here and stay focused on the purpose?
I think there's a bigger question.
Are humans programmed to be one or the other?
Like there's a certain draw to be in a faction, right?
And there's always a draw to, you know, be the mean girls.
And maybe Rod, if you have any insight on that too,
like, you know, is there a human,
is human nature just draw you into being a gang you know and then all of a sudden it's
red is blue yes yeah i think so um last week you talked about last week was a big week
and i think here's the thing i don't have to even say what videos two main videos that uh
defined last week you already know what those are because you can't avoid them and i think
i have a little bit different perspective i think that you might as well look at that stuff now
because you can't avoid it anymore and i think that the attempt to suppress one side's always
trying to suppress the other the we don't have to get into to the argument of left versus right
knots versus core but you just the trying to like suppress that volatility in the conflict
and the necessity to kind of pick maybe a tribe or pick a uh a way of life or pick
just how do we you know we thought it's a fourth turning everything kind of boils down to this
you have to make a choice at a certain point and if you the reason i think that it's gotten
so extreme and so to this point where it does some of these absolute statements of you have to
eventually choose i think it's gotten to this point and it's evidence of that that it's even
on nostr it's even on these more niche or more narrow focus like he talked about when people
are on nostr mostly because they're a bitcoin or a bitcoin adjacent or they're
align with scythe or punk ethos or something and it's if it's the that conflict is bled over to
this point uh how much i mean how how much more redlined could it be if everybody's
arguing at every end of the internet i i it's it's the uh are these even real people
is this the dead internet theory uh we've talked about right that's right well that's the other
thing is the the dead internet theory it's that's we kind of noticed that but now it's the point
where i don't know if somebody could be so i don't think a bot could be this triggered you know i
mean it's like it's hard to trigger the bots and you can start to separate them when you get to
that point when it's so emotional yeah anything to add to that mike no i mean i was i was just
watching an interview with Adam Carolla yesterday where he was, he was talking about the, um,
Jimmy Kimmel situation and, you know, he, he talks about the, the cartoonification of everyone.
And so it's just like, all right, Jimmy Kimmel is now this, um, this role in, in society and
culture and i thought adam carol did a really nice job of describing his lifelong relationship
with jimmy and how he disagrees with largely everything politically and yeah they went from
the man show together too yeah you know and it was him right it was it was adam carol yes i'm
pretty sure not norma donald oh yeah it was adam it was adam yeah i'm conflating him so it was
It was really interesting, though.
He's just like everybody's reduced to just this little like meme character of good, bad, left, right, blue, red.
And then, you know, when that's the only thing that you know, then you can pretty easily simplify your position and hate on someone and drive you to a really terrible action.
Yeah.
Open mic with the noncompliant Internet.
Are you getting 56K right now open mic?
Can you hear me now?
All right.
Well, I'm going to shift gears and let's talk about it.
Is summer over officially, Rod?
I'm glad you did this because this ties back to my final statement.
of from the last question is a lot of people who follow us you know we know this little rivalry
with our friend planetor and planetor kind of crashed out from x a few like a month or two ago
and he he went to nostor he was going that was going to be his uh escape 24 hours
we were yeah we we found him on nostril we sent him some paper bitcoin summer videos and he came
back to X and complained about how it was still poisoned with paper Bitcoins. And people thought
we were bullying Predator. And that is not the case. We were letting him know there's nowhere
that he could go, no protocol, no corner in the internet where we wouldn't find him
and invite him to join us in paper Bitcoin summer. It was actually an outreach. But
But, you know, paper Bitcoin summer was all the rage in June and July.
And it's, you know, the weather kind of started to rain, so to speak.
But it looks like, you know, paper Bitcoin summer is not officially gone.
It's just a lot of people.
The party is not as big as it was at the beginning.
And it's people just need to zoom out and lower their time preference.
are you talking about the charts uh of these companies or exactly exactly
the the party was hot and then you know the the pipe investors the pipe investors they sold their
shares and you know the pre-mines yeah the eggs of liquidity is right now the eggs of liquidity
is just a little grumpy um but you know everybody's still hopeful long term you know it takes a long
time for summer to get to finally switch seasons you have a lot of uh give and take and they call
it indian summer right yeah we're due for it i hate their bitcoin indian summer should they
decouple from bitcoin i mean is aren't they supposed to be inherently together
yeah well it's like you've been all this leverage and i'm a credentialed journalist i'm not a
credentialed finance or a Mac or a person. So I don't, I don't play with leverage and I don't
know how to explain it. I just know that if you're are, if you're really rich, you can get really
richer with leverage. And that's what people, that's what favorite Bitcoiners are chasing.
Yeah. So, I mean, we, we might have to wait till next summer, uh, 2026, you know, and, and for me,
uh phoenix is very very hot in the summer um you know i'm poolside uh but most for the most part
i'm in the air conditioning because i'm just sweating bullets all my life there's no way to
run from that heat uh so it's it's interesting to see the paper bitcoin summer i love the videos
by the way uh rod i think you made a couple maybe some songs and some videos uh oh yeah
that is the thing and the best part of paper bitcoin is the hype is the commercials it is
the marketing the advertising so if you're if you're thinking about you know i don't i don't
give financial advice i'm a big one only guy i'm only covering paper bitcoin summer i don't
participate in the in the paper bitcoin mean stocks but if you are thinking about it just know
that the best part of paper Bitcoin that you're ever going to find,
that you're ever going to be able to participate in,
is the commercials, the advertising, the hype.
And it was very reminiscent of like Miami Vice.
I lived in South Florida for three years.
I drive down to Miami pretty often.
I can say I don't think I've seen very many, you know,
the white pants and the flower shirts and things like that you'd normally see on a
paper bitcoin summer type of advertisement but there certainly is kind of a draw to that
that beach life in the summer it was that an inspiration yeah well yeah it was also the
maybe not the actual fashion but the vibes you know the 80s wall street remember the wall street
movie and the stock market took off.
Well, like there's a amongst paper Bitcoiners, there is a feeling or a vibe that there's
this new trend, this new movement that's coming to Wall Street, that's coming to the regulated
financial markets in the, in the Western United States.
That's going to be very, you know, similar to the eighties when the stock market was
reborn in the eighties.
That's what they're kind of chasing.
That's why they call them the seat corners.
And Mike, did you catch any of that paper, Bitcoin Summer?
What's kind of a user's point of view or a listener's point of view?
I know you're a big Bitcoin trading card guy.
So I am.
You have some elements of shame.
Well, you know, I mean, that was that the original Bitcoin paper?
Was that that really?
Yeah, I caught the end of that. I got the pop-up from my browser that I wasn't being divisive enough, so I got kicked off the internet.
Oh, man. Thank you, Riverside.
Did they celebrate the Bitcoin summer that far north? Mike?
Yeah, we actually did have Jeff Walton come and speak at our meetup, and he lit the fire all over Minnesota.
Hey, give me an update on your meetup. How's it going?
It's great. We're trying to get Avi up here, so now this is on the record, on the show.
We should have a broadcast here, QW.
but um yeah are they finding is he trying to find home up there uh we are looking at doing an episode here so um that great they got got a great diversity of food up there Kind of like Phoenix
It's a melting pot plus a lot of different foods.
I can see that being a great location for finding home.
Yeah, the meetup is great.
We have just a surprising, I mean, to a lot of people, a very surprising community here.
I actually was an anon for so long in Bitcoin that when I finally doxed myself, I went to the Miami conference a few years ago.
I didn't learn about the Minneapolis meetup until somebody down at the conference told me about it.
and yeah we go you know 30 i don't know sometimes 50 deep and it's every month have a speaker
almost every month and really solid bit devs uh justin was on citadel dispatch the other day
um he's one of our he runs our bit devs here um we have a nostor meetup um all kinds of groups
that kind of break off and um it's how many are in your nostril meetup it's usually
six to twelve somewhere in there yeah i mean that's pretty good yeah roster yeah rods was a
early adopter uh he was kind of the nostril nostril rod at the bugle uh i don't i don't i
think he was one of the one of the first that actually started becoming a heavy user uh you
want to talk about that rod yeah yeah i was i i think i created my my end pub and started using
through iris the client uh but it was particularly to to come on and be a guest for the first time
on blockchain um and i i just i like being where i like i like the idea of being an early adopter
and something that has potential and nostr to you had potential and it was interesting and it was
the user experience was just it was not great still isn't but it was just good enough for a
journalists like me to figure out how to get to you know the point where i was able to tell people
good morning and give 40 good mornings a week um and it just getting in the the routine and
seeing how much people appreciate credential journalism on nostr as compared to these other
platforms um it was it was it was a good experience and it was a great place to kind of spread the
word about compliance and some of these other things that that people were not talking about
on other platforms yeah the i mean when we when you talk about the experience i think the one of
the biggest things that's been going on now and i'm not even sure if it's working right now but
the true potential, I think, is starting to get tapped in when you look at that zap.stream
and you think about these live shows that you can actually broadcast across Fountain,
across Noster in general. I mean, it seems like we can, that's the, if you want IRL or real time,
I suppose, shows where you can have comments, you can do, you know, just like you would see on
YouTube or maybe even Twitter, but you have the monetization added to it. I think that's just so
powerful and it really just utilizes how important Noster can be. If I'm on Fountain, I can see, oh,
look at the Bugle's live right now, or I'm on Primal. Oh, look, the Bugle's live right now. So
you don't have to necessarily follow the Bugle and set your calendar for when their show is.
you literally can just be doing what you do in your daily life and say, oh, wow, look at this.
They're on right now. So I think it's kind of powerful in that point. It's just like turning
on the TV back in the day. And we had cable and you just kind of scroll through the channels and
you know, there's the bugle. So you catch whatever, 15 minutes of it, whatever, but
you're not necessarily planning your life around it. So I think just those little things like that.
But then I look at like an event like Toonster, a Toonster event.
You know, those are ones that you kind of set your schedule because it's going to be kind of a maybe a different time.
Maybe it's a Wednesday at 9 p.m. for me.
You know, those those kind of things, they can cater to to the live player as well.
But, Mike, the ZapDot stream, you know, obviously Toonster is a fork of ZapDot stream.
but is it something that plays live on Primal?
Or is it something that, I think I've seen it on Fountain only.
Tell me about how that kind of works on the back end or what you have planned.
Yeah, so it does.
That might have been a long rant.
So if you have anything to add to that, go for it.
No, I love it.
I'm obviously very dialed into the live stream.
and it's great to log into Primal and Fountain
and just see a half dozen active broadcasts going.
And that's the same for Toonster.
When we go live, we show up on the ribbon just like that on those apps.
So it's an interesting time.
It's an interesting form of content to spread the culture.
And I think obviously I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing if I wasn't, you know, a perma bull on this.
But we're also in a weird spot with the zaps and, you know, everybody's, you know, saving Bitcoin spending dollars and like the traditional, you know, paper Bitcoin summer messages are really getting out there.
And it's kind of eyebrow raised right now in that point from my perspective.
We really got to get, you know, the Toonster challenges are we've got a ton of people excited.
But to your point, QW, it's a point in time.
So if you don't set your schedule and you don't make it a deliberate effort to be there,
it's really hit or miss on what the results are going to be for these artists.
And if it's somebody coming in for the first time, like the Doomtree guys or
some of these other traditional musicians that were trying to really get excited about it,
to have that be a meaningful number and a really lively chat room is so critical for
for getting getting the results we need to to bring in that outside culture and not just be
in our own echo chamber yeah i i think that's really well said i think my perspective um kind of
is thinking about well i guess i've heard a lot of people talk about
that they think that Noster's kind of maybe in a bear market
or some of the activity's dropping off
or it's gotten somewhat divisive
and it's kind of tuned people away.
But I think my perspective on that is more that
we're in a very special time right now
and it's similar to 2020,
but it's not exactly the same as 2020
where Bitcoin podcasts and the Bitcoin message
and adoption really picked up steam in 2020 because of the unique circumstances and the
problems that people were starting to notice and how Bitcoin could be a solution or tool
to benefit them in that situation or like in this circumstance.
And so there was a lot of people turned to, you know, they were on Clubhouse, they got
on social media and that's how they found Bitcoin Twitter.
And their attention was really focused and they were looking for solutions.
And I think we're kind of entering a moment like that again, where we're entering unique circumstances for political reasons, you know, stuff that's happening in our communities, our societies, in our countries.
And people are really starting to bring their attention, looking for answers, looking for good information, good signal.
and right now all that attention is really on on twitter or you know x and a few other uh platforms
where it's like youtube where it's very podcast where it's very timely like people are streaming
or talking about or having an event or raising awareness and discussing very specific situations
that are unfolding very quickly and that a lot of people's attention are on all over the world
And I think that trying to be cognizant of that and trying to, if you have a unique perspective, an interesting perspective, a helpful perspective to share, sharing that and kind of targeting the content that you create and the messages in the communication that you're having with the public to these more timely, relevant avenues.
I think that there's a lot of opportunity for the value for value kind of ecosystem and ethos and tools for the people who are interested in that and are capable of providing helpful and useful content and information at these times to cure to that audience and try to bring them into the value for value economy.
because I think that the audience has,
you know, the masses want what the masses want.
Like they're incentivized
towards a certain type of content.
And I think it's instead of trying to change
their behaviors and their habits right now,
it's give them an alternative to the psyops
and the channels that they're being kind of
herded to right now
and give them a better opportunity, a better example.
We're trying to do that at the Bugle.
But I think that, you know, our platform is still growing.
And I think there's so much opportunity for bigger platforms.
And you're seeing it somewhat.
That's just kind of my perspective on it, I think.
Is any plan for a Bugle token launch?
No, no Bugle tokens.
We only accept stats for cigarette money.
Yeah. So, I mean, you guys always have taken that angle of satire, satirize the system. And, you know, it's kind of easy to do right now, the way everything's going.
You have these I mean if I look at the factions or if I I mean there nothing more boring to me honestly than listening to someone talk about a Bitcoin treasury company And I think that just turns me off I think it not a value add to the culture So you need these
kind of escape valves, whether it's the bugle or just memes or shitposting. I mean, whatever it is,
it's, you know, I go to Noster to maybe make some memes. Maybe something happened that day that was
funny so there's your trend so now corn's making memes uh we're making jokes about it i mean it's
kind of a a community thing where you have fun with it because you know we are in low time
preference it's a very slow moving process um but maybe that's why outrage and engagement is
is so popular because they need to have something for the day uh maybe because they're not touching
of grass i don't know well my kind of particular uh perspective on the satire's side of it is
there's a lot of things going on every day whether you're you boil it down to the knots versus core
debate or you take it all the way up to the national or global political scale that uh
people are being bombarded with and they don't know how seriously they should take it and if you
can satirize something well um in a timely fashion you're essentially helping people figure out
oh i don't have to take this so seriously like this is silly this is stupid people
shinobi is calling everybody retarded right now um i i don't have to worry about this it's um
you're right like a like a pressure or an escape valve or not an escape valve but a release valve
that's what that's what a lot of people need a release valve something to let them know
it's gonna be they lower their time preference and they listen to 40 hours per week
it can chill out and just enjoy their life go touch grass be with their family they don't have
to worry about this stuff all of it at least yeah i mean that's really similar to the way
we approach live events and concerts and entertainment is that that's an opportunity
for everybody to step out and um not worry about that stuff for a period of time and even that is
it's been you know in the current times it's even challenging to accomplish that because
it's creeping into the to the concert space to the you know what people say on stage to what
policies you have to put in place for xyz and it it's just a bizarre time so i i think the satire
I for one appreciate it and
I think it's critical
when you said bizarre time in satire
I was thinking about
I think it was yesterday
the 12 foot golden Donald Trump
Bitcoin statue unveiled
outside the US Capitol
was that even real?
we're in this world where
satire becomes reality
and that's kind of what it seemed to me
I'm like is this fucking thing real?
Well, that's the problem is you kind of made a comment that it's so easy to do satire and satirize this world.
Why? I think it's the opposite.
I think it's harder now because now there's nothing.
There's no story.
There's no meme.
There's no headline that is too ridiculous for people to believe it.
And with the ability with like AI tools to create realistic looking videos, music, mood, everything, it's getting harder and harder to tell the truth or harder and harder to relay valuable information without people being distracted by AI slot.
and the you know to think about it from an artist or content creator's perspective
ai slot's not going anywhere there's only going to be more ai slot and if people liked
uh big bang theory and young sheldon they're gonna love ai slot um and it doesn't
you could say that it may brew in or make music and and media worse i think it just raises the
hurl rate of it if your music's not better than ai slop if your movies aren't better than ai slop
if your information or news whatever it is that you're putting out there if it's not better than
ai slop it's going to get buried in ai slop open mic is uh ai slop going to save independent
venues.
Oh, don't get me started.
I will say like on a serious note, it, it, no, but it's, it's concerning what's going
on in the, in the, in the world of an independent artist and an independent venue, like the
whole independent ecosystem because of, you know, the broken money.
Right.
So it costs so much money to hit the road and go on tour.
And so if you want to go present that true in-person authentic music experience, you got to have the numbers add up so that you can get a tour bus, hire a manager, hopefully sleep in a hotel and get all your travel expenses paid.
And it's, you know, it's tough to sell 250 tickets in a foreign city. Like if you're not in your home turf and you're traveling around, it's, you know, that's a solid established band. If you could sell out a 250 cap room and doing the math on a show like that, it's just, that's just not that much money to pay for all the stuff that you need to get around in this world right now.
And, you know, the people just turning to all digital, not necessarily AI slop, but just staying home and not being able to hit the road.
And it is a problem, but not as a result of AI.
You just reminded me, Mike, shout out to our buddy Sam.
Sam Means, a.k.a. Lightning Store, a.k.a. Wave Lake.
They sold out all four of their shows.
the reunion tour for the format. So no AI slop there. There's going to be a lot of memories being
rekindled. And I love to see those reunion tours because the age group is almost guaranteed.
When they say it's a 20-year tour, 25-year album release reunion, it's funny because it's a capsule
of time that gets opened up in a, in a, in a concert venue.
Have you experienced that when you, when you see these,
I think you just went to dead Prez actually. Yeah.
That was 20 years from let's be free.
Dead Prez 25th anniversary and that's kind of funny to,
to go and see a show like that with a bunch of people who are listening to it
25 years ago. Cause we're, we're not moving the same pace as we were then.
But I mean, they, they just, you know, they hit so hard and, and like it, it's the same
message.
It's the same passion.
It's the same authentic voice.
And you see a lot of that now.
You've seen that a lot in the independent.
It's like they're, it's, it's almost like redoing a movie.
You know, it's a guaranteed base.
Just, just, it'll, it'll a hundred percent sell your, your kind of bottom line.
And then everything else is gravy from there.
But I just, I think it's cool.
I like that.
But what's different about movies, they're not trying to change the actual movie.
It's literally just doing albums.
So I'm an appreciator.
I'm an appreciator of that.
But there's another big thing that happened recently.
DOJ and Live Nation preparing for the trial.
What's your thoughts on that?
I know you're not credentialed, but if you were to put yourself in the position of, let's say, Rod, what's your journalistic view on that?
Yeah, it's, you know, we work, I'm on a couple of the committees at NEVA, and I just posted NEVA's official statement earlier today.
you know it's we've been fighting for stuff like this for years um so i it's it's it's
i feel conflicted right because of course it's a it's a clear monopoly when you when you own
the ticketing platform when you own the resale market when you own venues when you could buy
tours, when you manage artist relationships. I mean, there's no way. And it's so further down
in how devious and problematic it is that you really get into nuanced conflicts of interest
on top of just those basic business relationships. But it is odd for people in
Noster and Bitcoin when you think about decentralized solutions and you think about
protocols, not platforms, those kinds of themes. And you're just,
you're running to the bigger centralized authority to take out the other centralized monopoly.
And I, of course, think that, you know, I support all of it. I'm involved in it. I think it's
important that people understand it and we do something about it but i i don't see necessarily
like a lasting solution like if they just break up ticketmaster and live nation and set a few
guardrails out there um there's still going to be a fortune 500 company and there's going to be
indies you know trying to rub a couple nickels together um so it it is um i think it's just
something that requires the as i say the the opt-out model of like i think slowly but surely
people need to figure out ways to opt out of this massive goliath of a ecosystem and if you really
want to support. It's the same thing that I always yap about on stage with value for value. Like if
you want to, if you want to virtue signal and just beat the drum and post about V for V hashtags
online, that's great. But you really got to like walk with, you know, talk with your feet, you know,
open up, you know, open up your wallet, zap a few artists. If you, if we really want to incentivize
people and get all of the true backbone to this to get some organic momentum because it is the long
game, but that's really what I see is authentic solutions in a competitive way that you can
actually address the Live Nation problem without just slapping more regulations and going to
the government to try to fix it.
Is there a correlation, Rod, between Live Nation and PodConf?
Oh, absolutely. PodConf is nothing new. It's nothing unique. It's only unique to the Bitcoin and Bitcoin podcast. These industrial complex type industries, they're everywhere.
And all it does is it rewards AI slot and it discourages non-compliant content.
That's really all it does, but it exists across the spectrum.
Yeah.
So when we talk about creating content and streaming content, I mean, right now I have Rod, who is a content creator.
myself, I suppose I am too. Open Mike is a little bit because he's been a big guest and he's been,
he's been on his, his value for value tour, but the streaming side of things, you know,
you're the big salesman, open Mike, you're the face of the streaming, the Toonster.
What's the vibe on the, and maybe I'll start with you, Rod, what's the vibe on the consumer end? So
I know you can look into your analytics, you can see maybe growth or ebbs and flows,
Maybe there's cycles in it. Maybe one show does better than another and maybe you know why. What do you see or what do you feel about the vibe on the consumer end?
What do they want?
Everything has already been said.
Everybody's already been offended about everything.
Everybody's already grifted off of everything.
It's everything's been said.
Even like, even without getting into specifics, you know, people are canceling their favorite conspiracy theorists because they don't automatically assume that a popular conspiracy theory is, you know, at play.
when something bad happens,
people are just ready for something new.
Consumers want something fresh, new,
something that hasn't been said before,
which is very difficult to come up with,
or something that is said in a way
and a new perspective that is actually useful.
I think that's, for right now,
what I would boil it down to.
People just want something.
they need entropy they need entropy in their content
yeah and mike i think you touched on this um you know we need the users the whole uh chicken or the
egg uh so you know is there some celebrations on the consumer end or the maybe i mean you're
talking to artists you're talking to maybe people that are using toonster um what's kind of the
highs and lows if you want to be real about it. Yeah. I mean, I think on the consumer side to,
to get a more robust circular zapping economy going no surprise here that we're all playing
the long game on, on the development side and we don't have big VC funds like investing in our,
you know in our tools so we got to make these things really easy so that you know we just did
the show at bitcoin park um a couple months ago and you know to a group of sophisticated users who
are there at bitcoin park it's still challenging to to just you you want to be able to just pick up
and, you know, single tap something and then just go back to watching the show.
And so that's a barrier that, you know, I'm exploring how to make Toonster easier to use
and going further, you know, actually fork further from Zapstream rather than just...
It's currently more or less a cosmetic fork.
there are a whole lot of user differences between the Zapstream code and what Toonster does other
than just provide a familiar vibe so that artists can log in and see it and be like,
oh yeah, I kind of know what's going on here. This makes sense. There's a whole bunch of other
content creators here and it seems like I understand why they're doing what they're doing.
But I really would like to get it further into the UX of a music experience.
I had a really big victory in an artist onboarding, and we did a show, and the turnout was okay.
We had to bump the day at the last second, but it was Doomtree in Minneapolis here, a really great hip-hop group.
Sell thousands of tickets.
Wasn't that kind of a late arrival, though, on the news?
Yeah, it was a surprise.
I wasn't actively pitching Laserbeak.
He's the business manager, and he also is on stage.
doing the beats for the hip-hop group on stage.
And we weren't just totally sure we'd pull it off
and wanted to make sure we did it right.
So we didn't go full bore on the promotion and the marketing.
But, I mean, these guys are big voices in the Minneapolis music community.
They would sell probably 10,000 tickets if we announced the show coming up
because they're a super group.
They all have individual careers
and they only get together so often as a group.
I love when you can actually tap it
from the other side though.
For instance, like Scardust,
who already understood Bitcoin.
They were super into the ethos of it.
Then they got into Nostra.
Then they decided to join Nostra with their content.
We have two different ways of selling it.
you're trying to explain to them Bitcoin and maybe they gasp that.
Then you're trying to explain to them Noster and you,
you end up looking like that meme of the guy pointing at the board with all
the scribbles on it. You know what I mean?
So it's kind of like, it's how much easier is it if they're already on Noster?
It is. I love, I love scar dust and they're, they're just,
they're doing great things and we're, we're actually talking to them.
thanks to the Bugles intro
getting them
hopefully some gigs here
stateside
they're playing at a festival in Atlanta
next fall
so they'll already be over here
and it would be awesome to do a little routing
of independent venues
so they could
the travel visas are definitely an issue
right now
they have a visa
that might be your in on
Avi too
obviously super fan. And so, yeah, it's interesting to have that.
There you go. Yeah. I think he probably forked up for that 20, the,
the limited edition 21, uh, scardust, uh, uh,
Noster promo that was going on. That's right. So it's only baby. I liked it.
And an interesting hybrid was a what fest,
which was another one that came up and we did not,
and we intentionally didn't go nuts like advanced marketing it because none of
us had been to the site. You know,
we didn't have a production team in Wyoming there.
But we had Manny Tatum, the Daniel,
myself all went out there and the,
the nice hybrid there was the, the producer,
the organizer of the event was really into Bitcoin and Noster as a concept. And he just
was like, he just let us kind of run, you know, run free with our, with our crazy ideas. And he
set us up with a tent right next to the production booth that was running the whole festival. And
this is a festival that had been going on for 20 years. So we got to do our thing and they already
had the traditional artists and a couple of them were bitcoiners um but for the most part they were
regular artists and we streamed you know we streamed the whole thing and kind of treated it as a
as a beta run because next year of course is the 21st and so we want to be back out there and really
go full tilt but having the big difference there it's going to be djing djing next year i hope so
Him and Richard.
It's an awesome spot.
Hell yeah.
Plan it for the next Bitcoin summer.
The really cool thing about that event was that since it was the organizer who had contracted all of these artists and set up the whole event, he had the authority to just get up and do whatever he wanted.
So he got up on stage and would announce every couple sets what was going on online and talk about Toonster and talk about Noster and Bitcoin.
And it was actually being broadcast live on Wyoming Public Radio.
So I was really very interested in that sort of an approach where having those endorsements.
There's something special about that.
Having those endorsements on stage or from the people presenting the content, that's what matters.
If Doomtree would have gotten on stage as somebody like Scardust who already understood it and they said,
if you really want to support me, do this, that's where this thing could really go to the next level as far as the artists are bringing on their fans
rather than us bringing a whole bunch of new fans to the artists.
And tapping into that internet where people are sending zaps or boostergrams via the world while you at an event just live when you announce that hey everyone here thank you but we also have all these people from all over the world tuning in right now
It not only gives a sense of, I don't know, it's a powerful thing because people that are there know that they're in it.
It's like reaffirming that they're in a special place that people would even be tuning in to even be somewhat close to where they are right now.
I just think that's really cool.
Yeah.
Rod, you went to, did you go to Lake Satoshi?
I did.
Yeah, it was a great time.
Yeah.
Open mic.
are you are you gonna make it out there one year you know i've been in contact with those guys i
wanted to it's just what's the drive how long you got to go all the way down and back up and
yeah it's i think it's like 16 hours or something crazy and
you know open mic is i'm not flying in a long drive list and driving with no open mic is also
pretty indoorsy so
to drive 16 hours
camping. Don't worry. I'll bring
you a raccoon hat and you can
just hold my hand.
It looks awesome though.
I loved all the
information I saw
coming out of there.
Yeah, so tell me about it Rod.
Give me the boots on the ground.
If you fly
into Detroit it should be about
maybe an hour
drive from detroit so it's not too bad but you can't fly right in um it's great it's but that's
a feature not a bug right i mean yes exactly yeah exactly it is next to the airport nobody nobody
shows up to wake satoshi that is you know too casual it's too hard to get to it's too much of
a pain there's not enough influencers there's not enough uh pizzazz it's just you know it's for
people who like to go and go camping with,
with other Bitcoin podcasters with, you know,
with the ungovernable misfits, you know, with Bubba,
with Augie, with Otis Bitmeyer,
with that, with those guys, with Bitcoin miners, with, you know,
people who are really, they're really bought in
and they know how to get out in the middle of nowhere
to this private lake named after Stoshi.
And by the time you get to those people, it's a pretty great experience.
It's a pretty unique experience.
Yeah.
I'm going to probably, the way I can see it making sense for me is doing one of those fly-ins.
I already have an RV rented and do the old tourist RV deal over there.
Because you're not going to Walmart to grab a tent and just abandon it out there, you know.
Right.
it's it's it's like a it's like nostril in a way uh or even maybe some of the smaller corners of
nostrils like nobody's ends up there on accident nobody ends up there because they're they're
dallying um and it's you know if a fed does show up there they stick out like a sore phone
yeah how many did you see
i always saw a dozen that's that's good man and there's
There's like 200 people there, I think, around the ratio.
Yeah, that's what ratio.
Yeah, it's a better ratio than that.
That Governor Whitmer.
Yeah, right.
Our group chats.
Honey pot that was so hot.
And it's a better it's definitely a better ratio than, you know, the coin values.
Yeah.
How about that, man?
Nothing like having a podconf improved event in one of the places where there's cameras everywhere.
You know, it's it's most compliant conference ever.
Security line.
All to see your TSA politicians.
Take off your shoes and go through the scanner machine to see your favorite.
Yeah.
Bitcoin podcaster interview a politician.
Yeah.
Who's your favorite politician right now, Mike?
Nice.
Nice transition.
So, yeah, how do we get Nostra to grow?
And, you know, we've been talking about all these mini apps, micro apps, you know, and a lot of it was just replication of current apps.
The ecosystem is exploding.
But, you know, it seems like what's working now is something like what Primal is doing where your app becomes multiple things.
It's now your wallet to zap.
It's your video streamer.
You know, you can toggle over to the photo side.
You can be a creator and actually have Primal Studio.
You know, where is the decentralization happening?
I don't know if I've really seen that take off on the, you know, the mini app side.
How are you using right now, Mike?
How are you using Nostra, I guess?
And what would you like to see?
Yeah, I want to see more things that are just very easy and simple to just present to a total newcomer.
So things that work?
Yeah, that would be a good start.
but no I mean just things that are um like obscuring the keys for example you know like
I like that you don't have to talk about key pairs right out of the gate or or wallets right
out of the gate in order to use it um that's something that I've watched conversations die
quickly. You were handing out those 2100 sats, weren't you at the what fest? Yeah. And how did
they receive that? I'm just curious from a person actually handing them out. We're like, wait,
this is Bitcoin. And then you get into the whole, this is sats. It's a denomination of Bitcoin. And
And then you look like the guy pointing to the poster with the scribbles on it.
Yeah.
But no, so you just tell them, download the app.
Tell me that onboarding process.
I'm just generally curious.
Yeah, like 10, I'd say 25% of the people would come over and you'd have a long enough engaging conversation
where they'd ask some questions and you'd get to that point of talking about what's actually going on here.
25% just want to take the card and like go try to figure it out at home.
You know what I mean?
Like they're just, okay, interesting.
I'll just go, I'll download it later.
But my go-to lately has been getting somebody on Primal right away
so that you can have the wallet and the social kind of in one app download.
And then you got to make sure you get the second one.
And for me, what makes it compelling is you get somebody to download Fountain or Wavelake or maybe both if you've got enough time.
And then you immediately show them how to take their identity and port it from one to the other.
Even like when you install the second app and they say sign up and create an account.
You're like, no, no, no.
Log in with existing.
That's a good conversation piece right there.
because they just assume they're getting the next app.
And so then you go in and my go-to is then usually to pull up a song
or a podcast on Fountain or Wave Lake and zap it
and make sure the broadcast to Noster button is clicked on
so that then you go back to Primal and show them how it cross-posted.
And then that is a couple of pretty good light bulb moments that give you an opportunity to have a longer conversation if they care at those points in time.
Yeah.
Yeah, and that's a big thing.
It's like, do people care?
When do people care?
What's going to push them to care?
you know and that's kind of society's role half the time is is actually being in a position where
they feel threatened i suppose like maybe their free speech isn't isn't is actually getting
dwindled i can see like where the uk and i mean they've got the good stop at the door because you
made a a social post uh so i mean that that's definitely part of it they they want to and
sometimes when life is good no one wants change they're not actually actively trying to change
anything because, hey, I woke up happy, breakfast was good, and now I'm at a concert.
Yeah.
So it's one of those things where unless they recognize a problem, they don't see the solution
that you're offering, even if it's 2,100 sats on a card.
Rod, what's your sovereign stack?
How do you Noster?
well the sovereign stack is uh fountain nostr uh chat gbt and that's like the podcaster stack
right there and that's how you that's how you do content um but i think you guys are talking you
have an important question or conversation here which is the way to grow in my opinion uh people
using Noster is A, it's a very boomer app, as I like to call it, Noster app. It's very boomer.
And you need younger people because the boomers, they're going to retirement homes. They're not
going to have fast enough internet to access the slow, primal app. They've got too much time.
They've got to raise their kids. Their grandkids and their kids are living at their house with them
because they can't afford to have their own uh they just don't have as much time to use the app
and young people are finding new and creative ways to communicate with each other and they're
the ones making the the real viral memes that are really growing some of these platforms but also
and i think this is important i tell you i don't think that it's gonna work
if you have to make everybody care about the decentralization and the freedom and the censorship Like not Everybody got a lot of things to worry about right now They don have there terrible things going on around the world
And people are like, I don't have time to care about this right now.
Or something's happening in politics.
I do not have time to care about this right now.
Well, it's like, well, we need to decentralize this abstract idea of decentralization communication.
It's like, I don't have time to care about that right now.
But there are people, like you said, that like, they don't really see the problems in the world.
They're just kind of NPCs and they just wake up and they're happy and they go to a concert or they they're just doing their lives.
But those people are still finding new tools, finding new apps, finding new platforms, finding and adopting new technologies all the time.
people are adopting you know ai and nobody's has to explain to them why it's the most you know all
these principles that it solves and why it's good for humanity they just use it even if they think
it's bad for humanity actually um and uses too much energy and i think that noser's just gotta
like and i think if you bring more people and especially young people uh who are just creative
and ambitious just create new apps and new features and new things that make people want to
use them and if the incentives are aligned correctly you don't have to lecture them at
every corner about like this is good for decentralization or this is good for censorship
reason what if the government comes and tries to say they don't have to care about that stuff
um and the problem is you just want to solve later problems uh people the censorship resistance and
decentralization or of communication are problems but not everybody thinks that that's their biggest
problem right now um but they have a lot of a million other problems that might still align
with this decentralization censorship resistance um you know ethos that you can bring them in that
way and this is kind of like why like paper bitcoin summer is it's so many people have
adopted it ironically is it's the same problem with bitcoin um constantly being
lectured about, well, if you do it this way, or if you use this app, or if you use this wall,
this isn't good for Bitcoin decentralization. This isn't the right way to do this. And it's
kind of a blowback or a reaction to like, stop lecturing the, I'm just going to do whatever I
want. And I don't think there's that many people. I mean, obviously there's not that many people
participating in paper Bitcoin somewhere, or the prices wouldn't be where they are,
but there's a lot of people who say they are, and it's just kind of to troll
everybody who lectures them all the time
I'm curious because you
you mentioned I mean it's a good point
I think Noster there's
a good amount of boomers on there
I think we're all a strong
majority
Ron Paul libertarians
yeah right right
do you see analytics
on the X side I mean because you guys
have a are you blue chap
yeah I've got
Do you see ages, age groups? I think like, you know, Facebook and stuff, you can kind of get that kind of data. But does X have that kind of data?
Where you can see like people ages from between 18 and 25 or this percentage of your engagement?
i'm checking right now i don't recall that being one of the things is just really like
raw numbers over time but i haven't really dug deep into it to try to find if i can so i'm looking
at that now but i don't i don't know it's so hard to use this nostre is definitely going to be
between 30 and 50 you know right exactly exactly and i i think that that's still
probably going to be there's going to be a lot of people in threes but there's going to be a lot
more people younger on x and some of these other places especially tiktok right like that's where
the broccoli haircuts hang out and have you penetrated that market yet there's that's a
difficult we're gonna have to create a tiktok if we want to penetrate that market but
you start with facebook and work your way up yeah oh gosh uh i think i i i don't know if you
could put tiktok on the officer i guess you could but it's there's something to be said about you
know you don't necessarily have to go to tiktok and be on tiktok but you might have to go on tiktok
long enough to realize what's popular and what's trendy and what's viral with a demographic
and use that as a creative resource to bring to your protocol and try to attract them.
Were you following the, what the hell is it called?
The vlog, the vlogster, the V-logs?
Yeah, yeah.
I made a remark.
It was somebody, or a video, there's a clip out there.
um i haven't heard anybody say vlog in like 20 years and i was and i was making fun of the fact
that it was like a bunch of 50 year olds making vlogs again on nostril uh and i thought that was
i was i was just remarking on that yeah not i mean and i i love the fact that uh it was
like uncompressed video so it was like 250 megabytes yeah just full-on 4k yeah
of some dude with a vlog. Yeah. Yeah, totally. In a way it's kind of like spam on a node. You
know, I'm sitting here with my Raspberry Pi trying to get through the block 70% to 75 and that's the
full on node spam. In a way I'm trying to use Noster and my, my, my, my, my, my phone is glitching
because the video is so damn large.
It's interesting.
Yeah, Mike, do you have any plans for vlogging,
or have you already done that?
I have not vlogged.
I was interested in the TikTok discussion, though,
because that brought me back to talking about growing Noster.
What's the next thing?
I like to think about the carrot or the stick.
Is it because we've got the best content, the best experience, the best opportunity for an additional revenue stream for creators?
Interestingly, when you have bad things happen in Web 2, then you get these influx.
and I've been noticing the TikTok headlines are ramping back up
with our government trying to broker a sale to make it a U.S. company, right?
And that brought me back to that, wasn't it like inauguration day?
It was like right around then when TikTok went down for two days.
Oh, yeah.
It was a whole people's livelihood.
Yeah.
They made you think about your social graph that you built, that your business is entirely built on this walled garden.
And it just was like.
And that's one of those life is good until it isn't instances.
And that's where like I just thought that was such an under under reported and under discussed, not in Noster, of course, but in like the real world, like outside of the normie land.
how that just,
just went right back to kind of like the financial crisis was like, Oh yeah,
this is, you know, AIG is failing, but I'm sure we'll figure it out. Right.
You know, like, you know, somebody is going to bail them out.
It's all good. SVB that worked out just fine.
And, and that's kind of this,
that was like the Noster version for me because I was in meetings where
the music world was talking about like,
what are the alternatives to, to TikTok? You know, we've got, you know,
and they literally were going to the Chinese app,
like the native app that was actually from China as kind of like a protest.
But I'm sitting there just watching all this happen and you just,
kind of go to the next level of partial solution and that you know nostor was so
i mean we still are so early but that was such a perfect moment such a perfect narrative
and then it was it was really approached by all of the all of the people who built their entire
livelihoods on their tiktok following it was approached the exact same way as as people who
had you know bank accounts with first republic or svb and then you know just kind of you know it's
it's not bitcoin's not the answer it's just we'll fix it you know the the bailout will happen
and i i was actually thinking about tiktok today um it was because in light of that kimmel
shit that went down where he's apparently getting deplatformed or canceled whatever
uh i was looking at their uh because there's some arguments that uh that the coveted
18 to 49 demographic um kimmel was averaging 129 000 views in that demographic uh which i thought
was just nuts um and i thought about it it's like it's just not you know when people want to see
their celebrities. You know, if they want to see Rod Palmer, you know, they're going to go to
TikTok. They're going to go to Instagram. They're not going to turn on Jimmy Kimmel and see an
interview. They're going to go to the Bugle and listen to the interview there. They're going to
go to the Rogans, you know, and see, watch it, watch the interview. It's just a dying breed.
And it just kind of goes to show that that 18 to 49, they're just, I mean, I don't even know how
129,000 ended up there. It seems like they had their antenna and it was just,
it was just something to put on while they were cleaning the house or something, you know?
It's because we're so inundated with, with all these different options now. And they're very
personal. If you look at the music industry, you know, they have to get that X amount of followers
before they're even taken seriously. You know, Rod on, on Noster, I mean, his first hundred,
100 followers.
I mean, it was the heart.
And now he's up to like 300, which is just amazing to see.
I thought it was like 500.
You so short I would be disappointed if you know Jimmy Kimmel now is looking for a platform
What if Jimmy Kimmel came to DOS and started making vlogs?
We're here, man.
You know, 4K, Ultra UHD, you know, maybe even 3D.
Get it up to a one gigabyte vlog.
You know, make it really get those phones burning like they do on 40 hours per week.
Test those media servers and those caching services on Primal.
If your internet provider hasn't emailed you that you've reached your 50% limit with 30 days left, you're not nostring hard enough.
yeah that's real though i've ever since so when i first got on noster um i've never approached
anything on my wi-fi's internet service provider but there was times when like it was just eating
and i think thomas was one of the the big ones for me when i was heavy into thomas is like
dude this thing is like taking a lot of data and it's i guess it's because i'm pulling from
all these relays, trying to draw on all this data that I'm not actually even consuming.
So it was just an interesting point.
But like you said, Mike, we're so early, right?
So early.
So anything else?
What's coming up with you, Mike?
Any plans in the future?
You taking a little break?
What's next for you?
yeah we're doing um there will be an event in late october at bitcoin park
i i'm not quite ready to throw all the details out there yet but um
we are excited for it um it'll be a saturday night and um
that'll be that'll be the next toonster event i'm i'm going down to austin to
meet with some of the plebs down there in November.
And yeah, we'll see what's next. We're looking a lot at
next year and been talking to the WhatFest team
about the 21st anniversary and
the hashtag Nostropalooza has been floating around the
Nostroverse the last few days. So that's been a discussion item in the
chat rooms. Have you reapplied
for open stats you love that uh trolling trolling
those fuckers dude that's all i gotta say
uh rod speaking of open stats how many applications have you put in
no i i send one per day um uh it's kind of like andy dufresne and uh shaw shank he writes
You rushed the government one letter constantly until they finally give him a library.
That's it, man.
Next thing you know, he's scraped his way out with a rusty spoon.
So what's up, Rod?
So I guess tell me what you did today, because this is your second episode.
Your voice.
I mean, you have to be consuming cigarettes in between these just to make sure your voice stays proper.
there we we interviewed matt odell we got confronted about his grumpiness and and asked
him about his support of the core devs in this uh controversial time um yeah it was there was a
good one it's it's always you know football players calling two a days uh podcasters also
calling two days when you do a couple podcasts in one day yeah when's that gonna drop
it's uh it was live so i think it is already available on x on the timeline air might be on
youtube uh probably on fountain and the other podcast platforms tomorrow uh when when on facebook
they're at the house richard greaser he's got the uh the insect to facebook
yeah so what what else you guys brewing um are you doing satirize the system again next year
because it already has been announced that it's back in Vegas.
We are not doing Sathrae's system this year, or 2026.
We've got a much bigger, much bigger buil event going on next year.
That is, to me, determined.
We can't announce that one yet, but trust me, it's big.
Next year is going to be more for the Buked Wives shows.
we're going to be doing that more often right now we're just focused on we've got the subscription
so you can subscribe uh i think it's you know five dollars or you know a little over five thousand
sets per month for exclusive content and we're creating more just more audio and video and
live stream content uh going forward yeah and speaking of how how's that how's that been to
what does it when you when you because we're in the same boat um when you take on that you say
okay, you know, we're going to, you know, offer this, uh, you can subscribe and, uh, people can
pay you sats, uh, for extra content. Uh, does it feel like there's a little bit of pressure or a
little thing in the back of your head? Like, you know what, I need to make sure my content, uh,
is valuable or just kind of pressure you a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. I think it can. I think it should.
Um, I think you should, if you're gonna offer paid subscribe content, things like that,
um wait a little while build an audience kind of find your your voice so to speak um and because
the way we're kind of approaching it at least i am um is that we're trying to grow and we're trying
to reach a broader audience but we don't want to sacrifice this like the type of content that are
um you know our our diehards people have been there we want to give them and they've already
shown us that they'll pay for our content they'll boost us 10 20 30 dollars worth of sats um each
episode so instead of just doing that it's like why don't we make content specifically tailored
where we don't have to hold back at all for you because you get what we're talking about and we
can still kind of grow the bugleverse through the uh the free free content that we put out there on
a regular basis yeah makes sense so any call to action boys uh start with you mike or any last
words my my call to action is always get out there and zap that that really is that's the
most important signal in in nostre in the content creation is that that is such a differentiating
feature that every artist finds interesting and every artist looks at and it's like wow that
you can get into all the technical stuff about like how profound it is that we're sending magic
internet money across borders and da da da da but just having the little zap button right next to
the heart or the, or the, uh, thumbs up instead of just your normal likes.
It really does.
Um, it does matter.
And when people see those, those, uh, transactions go through, if, if we had a broader community
of people just seeking out songs that they love and deliberately zapping them, that's
a pretty cool.
community to be a part of.
It's definitely powerful.
Rod?
To go back to the sermon at the beginning,
I think your listeners and people
on NOSRA have noticed that all this stuff is happening.
It's coming all to the corners of the internet. It's coming to the niche
community on a niche protocol.
I would say that it's good that we've identified and admitted that it's the conflict has come here.
I would just put it like an analogy of when the conflict and this kind of stuff makes it to your citadel, it's at a certain point you got to take personal responsibility to kind of be the leader and the peacemaker on your part of the network.
So I think if it's getting to that point where everybody's kind of seeing this stuff boil over, it's stepped up.
And if you can, be the leader, the peacemaker, the defender, whatever it is of your community.
Yeah, well said. Totally agree.
And I did see, you know, last week, it seemed like a lot of people were trying to kind of be the main characters and weigh in on their optics.
And it was just, it's kind of like, come on, dude.
Like, I don't know.
We just don't pick a side and weigh in.
Just, you know, we can have discussions and we can, you know, the ideas, it's a place for ideas, it's a place for conversation.
Arguments are great.
Friction builds diamonds.
But, you know, it's just something that we need to, I say we, but, you know, I'm just talking about myself.
It's just let's never, never, never, never forget the bigger purpose, the bigger picture.
And for me, that's money from state and better for humanity.
So it's easy to get caught in the reality TV that we see every day.
So, yeah.
All right.
Well, thank you, boys.
I appreciate it.
It's kind of a, just let's throw together a little round table.
I think we touched on a lot of things, you know,
and I really appreciate you guys coming.
I consider you friends.
And Rod, I look forward to meeting you in real life one day.
Me and Open Mike are like brothers when we unite.
Yes, yes.
It's going to happen soon for sure.
Me and the, who's got the kids in the background?
You?
You got kids?
No, I hear it sounds like baby goats.
No, no, that's just your alter ego there, Rod.
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