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The noise of the week is behind us.

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The record is spinning.

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It's time to stop interviewing and start listening.

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Welcome to Sunday Brunch.

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Right, hello everybody.

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Welcome to Sunday Brunch.

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I'm your guest host today, Aaron of Essex,

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and joining me is the Prince of the Valueverse,

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the international musical street brawler, the one and only rock and roll hurricane,

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which is known by the name of Longy.

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Longy, how are you, mate?

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How are we doing? Are you okay? All good?

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All good, mate. All good.

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So I just want to go through the format of today's show just for everyone.

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So I've asked Longy to bring five of his songs for the show,

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which we will play and discuss thus giving you the listening audience the ability to participate

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in the show by boosting the songs and sending us a message i've also brought one song for the end

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of the show that means a lot to me which we can talk about um and yeah so on with the show so

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then Longy. What's

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going on then mate? How are you?

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I'm good, I'm good. We're just getting ready for

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the show at the

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weekend. Me and

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Tommy and a few other little special guests

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just getting to it

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really, seeing what we've got

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mate, looking forward to just playing loads of new

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material to be fair.

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Yeah, heading the books

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as they say.

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100% mate

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100%

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I mean at the end of the day

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live music will never die

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so that's surely got to be

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the lifeblood of the industry

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in 2026 right

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I think it's going to get more apparent

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that the ones that can't play live

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are going to get found out

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will pull through

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I think it's always

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the live scene

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it really does show

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you exactly what you've got

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and especially with new songs and stuff like that

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so yeah absolutely

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I've not got the full band

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those that are playing um they fucking they love it so it's as simple as that

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so that's a really interesting situation how does how does today differ from like your early career

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like to talk to us about when it all started for you when you had these visions of wanting to play

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guitar for a living and your first bands and like take us right back to teenage longy what was it

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that got you into it um wearing wearing a blue army top in a garage and pretend I'm Kirk a Bane

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that was basically the uh the first mode then um I picked up a guitar because of Buddy Holly I

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went to Buddy Holly store when I was a kid so that's where I started and then through there

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I think I was kicked out of most of the bands that would happen in school.

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but I never sung. I never really sung until I was a little bit older.

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I've always sung, but I've never, I never kind of sat in front.

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just properly writing and really

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really honing and crafting songs

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because that's all I've really cared about since

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so it was like True Love Ways and

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I Guess It Don't Matter Anymore by Buddy Holly.

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Them songs just really spoke to me,

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and that was kind of what got me into true,

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That's what I would say.

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So what age are you then when you go and see Buddy Holly?

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Oh, man, seven.

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that was the first tune I learned.

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because he was just like, man, he was just picking up bad habits

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because you're just like, well, he's boring me and making me want to do,

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you know, pentatonic scours.

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and I was like, no, I wanted to go and rip the guitar up.

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then I suppose the true labour starts there, really,

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you know, listening to the greats and just listening to records

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and just, you know, I was very, very lucky.

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but in terms of, you know, vinyl and stuff like that,

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and I'd be able to record me singing with Buddy Holly.

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all the theory for you.

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uh yeah i was i was never that i was never that person do you know i mean i was i don't think i've

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got the attention span to um probably look at look at um to look at i don't know certain certain

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theories of music i think it's more for me it's just feel and color so um i love it because

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and although it's taken me years to hone it means what's coming out is is is the purest it can be

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for me because you know i'm not i'm not writing i'm not writing it um i'm not writing it into

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bars and stuff like that so and i'm not saying you know i'd love to get composing and stuff like

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that but i don't think i'm ready for it just yet sure so do you pick up a guitar at seven

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and how long was it before you like got into your first band then oh man what 11 12 as soon as i

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going to school.

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and stuff like that.

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and they kind of verged.

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you're what, 16, 17, and you're like, okay, we're going to carry this on.

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now it was it was all done by the live thing it was all done by live music because we didn't really

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we had a couple of demos but they were pretty shocking uh they were all right though they were

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all right for to get us you know to get us to a to a place but again it was all about when people

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saw us and we were that kind of band it was more it was more like you know we we it was all right

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life we were all right life and um and yeah we said in energy i wouldn't sound as brilliant the

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best and best of music but it was definitely it definitely had an energy to it and i think when

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you when you see that with in a young band that's that's the most exciting thing ever

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it's like it's working on oh sorry no no i was gonna say that's why i'm you know me and you me

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and you and the likes of everyone always look at young bands coming through and it's because because

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it's you hope that they're holding on to that pure thing 100 100 so let's talk about the timelines

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then so like you're leaving school or you're you're you're kind of getting into your first

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bands it's probably around the mid-90s right so the the guitar band scene in the UK especially

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and America I suppose you know you've got the grunge scene formulating you've got Nirvana

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Stone Temple Pilots Pearl Jam you've got MTV haven't you which is obviously you know kind

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of a new generational thing for a lot of us kids growing up in the 90s yeah and then in the UK

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you've got Oasis, Blur, Radiohead, Supergrass, Ocean Colour Scene,

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Do you know what I mean?

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So it really was an amazing period of, like, guitar music, weren't it?

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I mean, I'll call the back end of, like, when we were back end of, like,

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when was it, our British Babylon tour for the Rolling Stones?

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We, yeah, the Verve.

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So it was like Led Zeppelin, obviously, you know, my band.

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But obviously once I heard The Verve, I was like, well, that's that for me in the 90s.

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And then, yeah, from there it was like we kind of, those bands, I suppose,

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in the early 2000s were just dying out in 2001.

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managed to jump on a tour

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which went brilliantly

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but again we just didn't have the right people

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group to know where we wanted to go

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I was certainly breaking away

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and starting to get quite selfish

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what they feel, I think that's hard for other players and band members to maybe get in with

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and get around unless they really understand what they are to the organism,

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if you know what I'm saying.

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It's got to be so concentrated with knowing of each other's skills

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and, you know, where they want to go as well.

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You know what I mean?

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I was just always new.

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I was always like, well, I find it quite easy.

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I've always found songwriting and playing guitar and piano just,

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I've never found it.

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It is literally a beautiful outlet for me.

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I'm really intrigued by that 90s period because I think, you know,

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when you are teenagers, that really kind of shapes your musical taste,

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I think, for the rest of your life, you know.

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So when you went on tour with Ocean Colour Scene,

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because obviously that was one of my favourite bands,

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you know, is it the Molesley Shoals?

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Is it that whole album?

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So you've got Riverboat Song.

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I don't think I'd have had much already as well by then.

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So they would have had the second, or sorry, their what?

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They had a weird first album, didn't they?

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I mean, you listen to them songs today, like,

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get away you've got it bad that's I put it on the other day and I was blown away by it so you know I

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think that's the great thing about songs in it and a lot of those 90s bands and obviously you know

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dare anyone say it but the reason you just had Oasis and Radiohead you know just had comebacks this year or not comebacks but just playing live It because their songs are so fucking good It as simple as that isn it

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It really is as simple as that.

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And I think it's brilliant, you know,

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the kids go into them shows and whatever,

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but there's just, you know, there's so many 90s bands, isn't there?

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When we used to do the Fezzies over at V and stuff like that,

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you know, you've got bands like Space, you know,

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super furry animals

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like

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honestly mate

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me and you

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could go on

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and on

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for

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honestly

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and like

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little

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little songs

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as well

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like

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those

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those

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those songs

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that

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you get one

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you know

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you get that

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dodgy

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you know what I mean

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like

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yeah

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the seahorse

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yeah

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you just get those bands

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that's just got like

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those

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oh mate

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it's just endless

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I think in the 90s

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so

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I think

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I was incredibly

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spoiled

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and especially

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having

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you know

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I'm a brother.

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It was kind of, he got me into all of that kind of thing.

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I was good friends as well that got me into that.

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And then obviously my mom and pa has always listened to great music

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from the likes of Motown through to rock.

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So it's love.

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I've just had, I always feel like I've had an amazing upbringing,

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a brilliant university moment for me.

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Yeah, it's true, isn't it?

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Like we were kind of spoiled in the 90s.

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for me it feels like that that was really the last scene not saying that no great new bands

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have come out since like 1990 of course they have you know you've got arcade fire you've got arctic

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monkeys you've got you know some huge huge black keys is another one of my favorite bands that

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but that sound 1950s 60s but they're you know the song songwriting is just like excellent

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yeah I think the Strokes done that whole

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they bridged that whole

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they bridged it over didn't they

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coming out of

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coming out of like the 90s

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2000s

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and then they kind of bridged

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all the new bands that were coming through

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I think the Strokes just kind of

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don't know

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as soon as

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as soon as

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I was what 17, 18

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when the Strokes come on

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we were car surfing

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down in Pips Hill Estate

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so it was terrible for us

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but we just whacked Strokes on

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I suppose you'd get stunned

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and have a few drinks and that would be that simple.

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Yeah, I mean, it was not only a technological change,

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obviously because the internet went kind of really mainstream in 94

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and then obviously 97 we had Napster, didn't we,

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which completely disrupted the industry 100%.

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It kind of made music sharing.

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To those in the know, I suppose, you know,

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all of a sudden we had access to music that you never had access before.

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You know what I mean?

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You would have to go to Virgin or HMV, you know, the record stores,

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and to go and buy the Beatles albums would cost you hundreds of pounds.

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Do you know what I mean?

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And you couldn't listen.

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Like, it wasn't as abundant as it is today.

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You know, you've got hundreds of different streaming channels, YouTube.

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You can go and listen to any song you want on now.

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We're quite spoiled.

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in the 90s if you wanted to listen to a song you had to physically get off your ass didn't you go

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to the store buy the cd the cd would cost 15 quid and it's always been the same like out of that 15

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quid the artist really is only getting probably what 50p pounds of that 15 pound if if that yeah

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is that how it all worked i think so i mean i've never i've never obviously i suppose every deal

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was different in it i think when prince went on to um the talk show uh probably which one it was

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but and he said about how much you actually get i think that's when it all started to open up and

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i think that's you know i remember with napster and stuff like that you'd have to wait for the

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computer to dial up and shit like that and the thing is i think if you love music like and

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especially if you've been born into it like i was then you will always want to feel it you'll

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always want to buy vinyl you'll always want to buy a cd in those in those times but vinyl is still

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i think like when you see a cool vinyl still oh man i want to smell it i want to rip it apart

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so i don't think that can ever leave you and i don't think also you know it's a different i know

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it's slightly different when you listen to a vinyl over something like on spotify or wherever

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wherever you do it but i just think it's a really interesting time for where all this is because

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Someone was telling me the other day, you know, they were selling tape,

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and I was like, mate, can I be bothered to, you know, go and buy a tape

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and do that again?

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I personally probably couldn't, but in terms of collecting vinyl,

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I've got loads, and I always will have,

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because I just think it's just the most genuinely pure, it's beautiful.

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I still find it beautiful.

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I still find it just that it comforts me in every way.

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And, yeah, I think it's so important.

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I just think it's so important.

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really do yeah i think with the whole vinyl thing as well it's not just the music is it it's it's

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the artwork it's the the the liner notes you know there's literally creative creativity in every

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single page of a vinyl album isn't there so yeah so much thought goes into it definitely um i'm

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kind of glad that vinyl still exists now you know you can still kind of get vinyl out there whether

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many people have vinyl record players anymore um i know my daughter has one um so i can still play

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vinyl but in terms of like tape players cd players i mean there's my car's nearly 10 years old it

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doesn't have a cd player in it anymore mate well yeah yeah yeah completely barely a radio so yeah

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i completely get you anyway let's have a bit of an interlude in our first track now longy this

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first track is

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Back From The Abyss.

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It's a very popular song in the

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Valueverse.

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It's been on numerous shows, been in the top

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10, of course.

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Before we play it, do you want to tell us a little

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bit about it?

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I think it was, I didn't have enough money to get

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the train back from Benfleet to

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when was that time?

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Lee? Christ, it's only like one

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stop. It's one stop.

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It's one stop, so I had to run it

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and that is a horrible,

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horrible run

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on a

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on a rainy day

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and

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my daughter

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had just been born

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and

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I literally just wrote

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all the lyrics

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from

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Benfleet to

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Leon C

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where I was living at the time

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and

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and

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yeah

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that was basically

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what it's about

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so it's just

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I don't know

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it's quite a

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it's quite a

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yes

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something

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you know

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a song about hope really

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I think

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that's what

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That's where I kind of bronched it.

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Right, well, let's play this one then.

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This is Longy with Back From The Abyss.

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I know it's been too long, but I refuse to stand aside.

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Peer from the rocks as my girl shines a light

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Listen, sometimes in life you'll slip but high

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You're gonna turn it around

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I see endless streams of butterflies

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Guiding me in sound

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So I just come to tell you

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That I found my way

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I just come to show you

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Climbing out this hole

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On to this mountain, trying to find home

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Along this mountain, climbing out this hole

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On to this mountain, trying to find home

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I'm back from the abyss

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I'm back from the abyss

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Out of the shadows I come walking serpentine

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Sea vultures circling me above

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Trying to catch me blind

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Well I cradle by the river

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Sharpening my knives

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I walk Texas, it's all been said

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I'm running like Rocky and I'm waking the dead

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No, well let's get straight to the heart

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You burn, I'll be done with it

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I've wasted enough time talking about it

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Crossed heavy terrain

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Shame, the demons in me still fucking remain an asshole

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I just come and tell ya

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Life found my own way

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I just come and show ya

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Climbing out this hole

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Onto this mountain

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Trying to find home

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On this mountain

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Climbing out this hole

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Onto this mountain

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Trying to find home

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I'm back from the abyss

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I'm back from the abyss

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And I know I'm nearly home

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Shedding out this skin I'm born

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Climbing out this hole into the light

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And it's pain when you ever gotta leave me alone

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I'm turning this spirit back from stone

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Climbing out this hole into the light

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So I just come and tell ya

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I found my way

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I just come and show ya

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Well, I just come to tell you

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I found my way

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I just come to show you

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Climbing out this hole

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To this mountain

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Trying to find hope

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Along this path

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Climbing out this hole

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To this mountain

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Trying to find all back from me

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Climb in my kiss

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Trying to find all back from me

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Climb in my kiss

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Trying to find all back from me

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Climbing at this goal

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Back from me trying to follow

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Back from me climbing at this goal

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Back from me trying to follow

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Back from me abyss

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Right, so that was Back from the Abyss by Longy.

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Remember, you can boost these tracks while you're listening.

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90% I think goes to the artist

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10% goes to the running of the show

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and etc etc

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so make sure you hit that boost button

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and support original music

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this is the goal of what we're trying to create

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in the value verse

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it is to the longevity of live music

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and original artists

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so we don't have to endure AI slop

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for the rest of our lives

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till we're kicking and screaming till the day we die.

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So, right.

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Okay.

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So what I want to talk to you now about, Longy,

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is like, can you walk us through the legacy system?

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I mean, obviously we're over here at the New Music Nudge Unit.

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We are here in Bitcoin.

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Because we're trying to change things through technology,

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we're trying to decentralize everything.

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But obviously the legacy music industry

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is one of the most centralized industries probably on the planet.

521
00:26:40,616 --> 00:26:43,796
And I mean in terms of the amount of middlemen,

522
00:26:44,596 --> 00:26:50,676
the amount of reward that the actual creators of the music and the art get

523
00:26:50,676 --> 00:26:56,616
is disproportionate to those running things from the labels and distributors

524
00:26:57,216 --> 00:26:59,496
and radio shows and all that.

525
00:26:59,496 --> 00:27:06,216
So can you go through the whole format of I'm an artist, I've got a song,

526
00:27:06,676 --> 00:27:12,636
I'm going to record it in the studio with a producer,

527
00:27:12,896 --> 00:27:14,156
I'm then going to get it mixed.

528
00:27:14,856 --> 00:27:16,696
Then he gives you the final mix.

529
00:27:17,216 --> 00:27:18,436
What do you do with it then?

530
00:27:19,096 --> 00:27:22,116
What happens in the legacy system, in the theater system?

531
00:27:22,116 --> 00:27:26,456
Like you said, the easiest thing would be to grab your demo,

532
00:27:26,456 --> 00:27:28,956
give it to your A&R man

533
00:27:28,956 --> 00:27:30,676
then obviously

534
00:27:30,676 --> 00:27:32,676
he's got to speak to his boss

535
00:27:32,676 --> 00:27:34,376
so there's another person

536
00:27:34,376 --> 00:27:37,096
so there's two people you're up against straight away

537
00:27:37,096 --> 00:27:39,496
and then

538
00:27:39,496 --> 00:27:51,352
then you got to call it so you go in with an engineer a record producer and then that another two people It four we got so far We not even got that fucking trap yet

539
00:27:52,732 --> 00:27:56,612
So then, obviously, once you've gone through all of that

540
00:27:56,612 --> 00:27:57,652
and you've got the song,

541
00:28:01,432 --> 00:28:05,992
then goes to, obviously, the rest of the label, I imagine.

542
00:28:05,992 --> 00:28:11,052
it's hard because I think some of these

543
00:28:11,052 --> 00:28:13,072
sometimes I've purposely

544
00:28:13,072 --> 00:28:15,212
not gone into some of these label meetings because of

545
00:28:15,212 --> 00:28:17,292
I don't think I'm the best person to talk to

546
00:28:17,292 --> 00:28:18,192
when it comes to

547
00:28:18,192 --> 00:28:21,572
kind of where they see it and where I see it

548
00:28:21,572 --> 00:28:23,372
because I don't know I've always

549
00:28:23,372 --> 00:28:25,552
this is the best

550
00:28:25,552 --> 00:28:26,032
system

551
00:28:26,032 --> 00:28:28,712
any artist could hope for ever

552
00:28:28,712 --> 00:28:30,832
the fact that

553
00:28:30,832 --> 00:28:33,452
we're on I think we're on the first wave

554
00:28:33,452 --> 00:28:35,352
of this happening and the

555
00:28:35,352 --> 00:28:40,692
revolution of it um it's literally here i mean we're in it when we're talking about it right now

556
00:28:40,692 --> 00:28:47,552
um so in terms of getting ice over i think this is that that's what's hard about that

557
00:28:47,552 --> 00:28:54,052
this this because of obviously it because it's a new system people don't they're going to take

558
00:28:54,052 --> 00:29:00,492
a while to get over but yeah in the old system man you had you had so many people to go through

559
00:29:00,492 --> 00:29:05,332
it was unbelievable and i think i just think you know it is as easy now and it you know the

560
00:29:05,332 --> 00:29:08,872
how many people do we see every day uploading their music straight onto

561
00:29:08,872 --> 00:29:11,032
streaming platforms? I get it.

562
00:29:11,212 --> 00:29:15,532
But also I think you sound the right people around you to tell you,

563
00:29:15,532 --> 00:29:18,892
have a look at that. And are they doing it for the right reason?

564
00:29:19,072 --> 00:29:22,932
Is the song better with that middle eight or a longer middle eight or a

565
00:29:22,932 --> 00:29:28,792
shorter middle eight, short intro? In terms of, you know, a legacy, my God,

566
00:29:28,992 --> 00:29:32,912
well, it literally just does come down to what you just said. There is,

567
00:29:32,912 --> 00:29:37,572
it would feel sometimes that you'd have 20 people to have to go through.

568
00:29:38,212 --> 00:29:39,052
And I don't know.

569
00:29:39,132 --> 00:29:40,532
I don't think that's healthy at all.

570
00:29:41,292 --> 00:29:43,692
You know, people that don't really care about the artist,

571
00:29:43,772 --> 00:29:46,392
don't really care about music, you know.

572
00:29:46,592 --> 00:29:48,432
I suppose it's as simple as if they like a song.

573
00:29:49,012 --> 00:29:49,252
Wicked.

574
00:29:49,532 --> 00:29:50,292
I think that's great.

575
00:29:50,372 --> 00:29:51,052
It goes on radio.

576
00:29:51,212 --> 00:29:53,992
And you've got, you know, radio pluggers, marketeers.

577
00:29:53,992 --> 00:29:58,192
You've got, you know, all of these people that advertise

578
00:29:58,192 --> 00:30:01,372
as it's just an endless, endless.

579
00:30:01,372 --> 00:30:07,392
It feels like an endless trap of middlemen, you know, like you said.

580
00:30:07,812 --> 00:30:14,592
So I think it's just the case of, really, I don't know,

581
00:30:14,632 --> 00:30:16,632
it's just obviously you've got to play the game.

582
00:30:16,892 --> 00:30:18,392
You've got to play both sides.

583
00:30:20,252 --> 00:30:22,792
And I would say, really, that, you know, I don't know,

584
00:30:22,792 --> 00:30:28,552
I just find this way of the value verse, I just find it,

585
00:30:28,552 --> 00:30:30,412
it's so simple as well.

586
00:30:30,412 --> 00:30:33,672
There's not a lot of butter, that's what I'd say.

587
00:30:35,112 --> 00:30:38,612
So, yeah, so currently with the V4V music,

588
00:30:39,272 --> 00:30:47,192
essentially you take an MP3, you upload it, no permission required.

589
00:30:47,772 --> 00:30:50,432
You let people know that you've released a new song

590
00:30:50,432 --> 00:30:55,612
and people have the ability to send Bitcoin payments straight to the artist,

591
00:30:55,772 --> 00:30:57,012
including a little message.

592
00:30:57,012 --> 00:31:04,832
there's no kind of legal wranglings there's no negotiation with a record contract as to like you

593
00:31:04,832 --> 00:31:10,612
know a one-year plan of what date we want to we want to release this record or release that record

594
00:31:10,612 --> 00:31:16,452
and i think with this system as well just getting it out there because there is so little money

595
00:31:16,452 --> 00:31:26,832
in the fiat system like through spotify anymore um there's the you you're i suppose in a way you're

596
00:31:26,832 --> 00:31:31,572
you're basically releasing something out into the atmosphere for free,

597
00:31:31,732 --> 00:31:32,912
expecting nothing.

598
00:31:33,372 --> 00:31:38,492
But now because you're basically giving everybody the opportunity to grab it,

599
00:31:39,292 --> 00:31:43,052
people now can add it to their podcast shows.

600
00:31:43,052 --> 00:31:46,872
People can kind of use it in their advertising and things like that.

601
00:31:46,952 --> 00:31:51,992
And if they're getting value from it, they can reward you directly.

602
00:31:52,472 --> 00:31:54,532
And rather than the old legacy system,

603
00:31:54,532 --> 00:31:57,672
where I suppose you would rely on things like PRS, right?

604
00:31:58,052 --> 00:32:00,192
So if a radio station played your song,

605
00:32:00,252 --> 00:32:04,812
it would take three to six months for you to get a royalty for that song.

606
00:32:05,332 --> 00:32:08,512
Now, because obviously all of your Bitcoin wallet address

607
00:32:08,512 --> 00:32:11,932
is embedded kind of into the song itself,

608
00:32:12,112 --> 00:32:14,692
when somebody sends Bitcoin to that song,

609
00:32:14,792 --> 00:32:18,112
it goes directly into your pocket, right?

610
00:32:19,232 --> 00:32:20,212
That's it, isn't it?

611
00:32:20,212 --> 00:32:21,012
It's just really quick.

612
00:32:21,152 --> 00:32:22,792
It's really transparent.

613
00:32:22,792 --> 00:32:24,992
and it's really, it's just,

614
00:32:25,172 --> 00:32:27,132
surely it's just the way that we should be doing stuff

615
00:32:27,132 --> 00:32:29,652
over anything really, I think.

616
00:32:30,852 --> 00:32:38,452
Yeah, just a logical and fair way of doing things.

617
00:32:40,812 --> 00:32:43,032
Yeah, I think it's important as well.

618
00:32:43,412 --> 00:32:46,632
Like we're talking about, we're talking about,

619
00:32:47,632 --> 00:32:50,492
so we went through a stage, didn't we?

620
00:32:50,492 --> 00:32:53,132
Obviously, in the 90s, there's lots of guitar bands.

621
00:32:53,252 --> 00:32:54,372
There's lots of inspiration.

622
00:32:54,732 --> 00:32:56,272
They're all getting played on the radio.

623
00:32:57,312 --> 00:33:03,272
And then you come into the 2000s where we had the whole pop idol X Factor generation.

624
00:33:03,512 --> 00:33:15,792
And now it was like, oh, in order to get a recording contract, all I got to do is queue up outside the XL all day and hopefully get five seconds in front of Simon Cowell.

625
00:33:16,072 --> 00:33:19,832
And it's a bit like the Julius Caesar in the Coliseum thing, isn't it?

626
00:33:19,832 --> 00:33:22,072
you know, he can put his thumb up or thumb down.

627
00:33:22,252 --> 00:33:22,832
Do you know what I mean?

628
00:33:23,312 --> 00:33:30,112
And he really, like, is one dude that has your entire career in his hands.

629
00:33:30,112 --> 00:33:32,992
And if he wants to destroy you, he can.

630
00:33:33,652 --> 00:33:35,992
And if he wants to promote you, he can.

631
00:33:36,172 --> 00:33:36,612
Do you know what I mean?

632
00:33:36,732 --> 00:33:37,932
The gatekeepers.

633
00:33:38,652 --> 00:33:39,072
Exactly.

634
00:33:39,492 --> 00:33:44,272
So now we're at a situation where you're just putting your songs out there,

635
00:33:44,552 --> 00:33:47,612
and if they resonate with people, if people like them,

636
00:33:47,772 --> 00:33:49,232
they reward you directly.

637
00:33:49,832 --> 00:33:50,752
It's as simple as that.

638
00:33:50,892 --> 00:33:57,592
I mean, it's probably the purest form of connection that you can get to a fan

639
00:33:57,592 --> 00:34:02,552
as you can get because it's a direct line straight from you to them

640
00:34:02,552 --> 00:34:09,592
without being manipulated or corporatized or, you know,

641
00:34:09,692 --> 00:34:12,272
there's no essence of, like, muckiness.

642
00:34:12,272 --> 00:34:17,132
It's like literally you and the fan talking to each other.

643
00:34:17,132 --> 00:34:20,672
and I think you know in this day and age

644
00:34:20,672 --> 00:34:22,932
that's a beautiful thing right

645
00:34:22,932 --> 00:34:26,292
yeah I think you know if you want to

646
00:34:26,292 --> 00:34:29,732
if you want to talk about certain stuff

647
00:34:29,732 --> 00:34:35,072
then it feels like it's more

648
00:34:35,072 --> 00:34:38,352
it's more about the stuff that you like

649
00:34:38,352 --> 00:34:40,952
instead of having to do you know sponsorships

650
00:34:40,952 --> 00:34:43,132
and all that stuff where you know

651
00:34:43,132 --> 00:34:46,512
if you didn't want to do it you were contracted in

652
00:34:46,512 --> 00:34:50,212
with a record label or whatever.

653
00:34:50,352 --> 00:34:51,912
I think with something like this,

654
00:34:52,552 --> 00:34:55,692
when you do do podcasts or you do do stuff like that,

655
00:34:55,972 --> 00:34:59,272
you can literally just go to a company and say,

656
00:34:59,372 --> 00:35:00,452
look, I love your stuff.

657
00:35:00,952 --> 00:35:01,992
Can I bum it on?

658
00:35:02,292 --> 00:35:04,772
And, you know, again, you want them to win as well.

659
00:35:06,512 --> 00:35:07,952
I just think it's, honestly,

660
00:35:07,952 --> 00:35:11,992
I think it's the amount of people that you meet in this game

661
00:35:11,992 --> 00:35:16,332
that for some reason, they still don't believe.

662
00:35:16,332 --> 00:35:20,812
they still don't believe this is happening it baffles me like it literally baffles i speak to

663
00:35:20,812 --> 00:35:27,692
people and they're like they when i start mentioning this side you know the um value for value verse

664
00:35:27,692 --> 00:35:32,292
they they literally they they turn off you can literally i can see them i mean they're they just

665
00:35:32,292 --> 00:35:37,012
go no no no no it's not a real thing it's like oh right okay so then why is it working for me then

666
00:35:37,012 --> 00:35:42,432
why why you know i'm putting songs up and i'm getting a response i'm talking to people all over

667
00:35:42,432 --> 00:35:49,232
across the world it's amazing it's amazing what um you know when people get fair unfortunately

668
00:35:49,232 --> 00:35:56,312
it's going to show a lot of people up in it yeah 100 i mean you know what i'm doing with peggy's

669
00:35:56,312 --> 00:36:02,372
music bar we've just orange peeled a local music bar close to us and they're having open mic sessions

670
00:36:02,372 --> 00:36:10,412
and i was there the other night and uh our friend kate west was performing and on the screen behind

671
00:36:10,412 --> 00:36:16,292
I put her QR code and as there was other musicians in the room,

672
00:36:16,872 --> 00:36:20,292
they're literally seeing me open my wallet of Satoshi,

673
00:36:20,852 --> 00:36:24,672
zapping her some money and they're actually seeing it in action

674
00:36:24,672 --> 00:36:25,472
for the first time.

675
00:36:25,552 --> 00:36:27,652
So I'm not even going on and explaining it.

676
00:36:27,872 --> 00:36:29,252
I'm just doing it in front of them.

677
00:36:29,312 --> 00:36:31,532
They're like, what's going on there?

678
00:36:31,592 --> 00:36:32,192
Do you know what I mean?

679
00:36:32,192 --> 00:36:39,592
I think with a lot of artists, they are so used to this kind of

680
00:36:39,592 --> 00:36:50,392
you know, vampiric legacy system that they can't believe that something like this can exist without having to ask somebody's permission.

681
00:36:50,732 --> 00:36:58,372
You know, so what we're doing with the open mic nights and this is because I've always had this idea that,

682
00:36:58,372 --> 00:37:01,312
yeah, OK, so we're going to have to build the value verse out.

683
00:37:01,512 --> 00:37:04,072
What do we need to do that? We need to get artists in there.

684
00:37:04,072 --> 00:37:27,552
So the artists coming on board and then hopefully when the fans or when the artists start talking to their legacy fans, if you like, they're no kind of fans, they can turn around and say, oh, rather than listen to me on Spotify, I'd much rather you download a modern podcast app and send me your support, send us a message on there because obviously it goes straight to me and it goes a lot further.

685
00:37:27,552 --> 00:37:31,112
because, you know, as a performing artist,

686
00:37:31,312 --> 00:37:35,332
you've still got to fund getting in the studio to record tunes.

687
00:37:35,332 --> 00:37:37,992
I suppose you've still got to fund paying a producer,

688
00:37:38,832 --> 00:37:42,132
paying somebody to kind of master it and edit it,

689
00:37:42,252 --> 00:37:44,832
paying session musicians, backing singers.

690
00:37:45,372 --> 00:37:45,912
Do you know what I mean?

691
00:37:45,992 --> 00:37:50,432
So in order for you to continue to make music

692
00:37:50,432 --> 00:37:52,852
at the standard and the levels you want it,

693
00:37:52,912 --> 00:37:56,032
you've got to have some kind of revenue stream coming in, right?

694
00:37:56,572 --> 00:37:57,232
Yeah, of course.

695
00:37:57,232 --> 00:37:59,912
you just got to try and find a way of doing it.

696
00:38:00,332 --> 00:38:02,092
I think live is getting harder.

697
00:38:03,012 --> 00:38:06,112
I don't know why I've not actually looked into it yet,

698
00:38:06,132 --> 00:38:10,192
because to be fair, the gigs that I've booked up in the next six months,

699
00:38:10,332 --> 00:38:13,692
I've kind of, they're all more, you know,

700
00:38:13,712 --> 00:38:18,512
obviously in the fiat world of just, you know,

701
00:38:19,152 --> 00:38:21,812
turning up, getting a fee and going.

702
00:38:21,992 --> 00:38:23,332
So it's not like I'm on tour or anything.

703
00:38:23,332 --> 00:38:27,312
I think someone like Kate Nash, who has been quite vocal about it lately,

704
00:38:27,512 --> 00:38:29,432
got to Parliament about it.

705
00:38:29,592 --> 00:38:30,332
I think she's brilliant.

706
00:38:30,652 --> 00:38:32,552
I think we need more of it.

707
00:38:34,512 --> 00:38:40,092
But I think, yeah, I've not been out properly just yet.

708
00:38:40,192 --> 00:38:44,512
So this start of the year, when we play on Sunday at Peggy's,

709
00:38:46,032 --> 00:38:51,252
it's going to be a really good kind of call to see how we get on

710
00:38:51,252 --> 00:38:52,872
and see how it goes down.

711
00:38:52,872 --> 00:38:57,472
Because, again, you know, like you said, we've orange-pilled Peggy Sue's,

712
00:38:58,032 --> 00:38:59,872
and we'll see how that works.

713
00:39:00,032 --> 00:39:03,352
We'll see what people are interacting and go from there, really.

714
00:39:04,812 --> 00:39:06,932
I just think it's taken a massive shift.

715
00:39:07,532 --> 00:39:13,932
And, yes, of course, places are closing down, small venues, but I don't know.

716
00:39:14,132 --> 00:39:17,092
I mean, that could just be getting ready for something else that's coming.

717
00:39:17,092 --> 00:39:18,172
So I don't know.

718
00:39:18,172 --> 00:39:25,332
But it'd be an interesting time to see how we get on with playing live.

719
00:39:27,012 --> 00:39:27,772
For sure.

720
00:39:27,912 --> 00:39:29,972
Right, we're going to go into your second song now, mate.

721
00:39:30,112 --> 00:39:34,412
Now, you have chosen Love Schizophrenia.

722
00:39:34,892 --> 00:39:37,652
Do you want to tell us a little bit about this song?

723
00:39:37,852 --> 00:39:41,692
As a side note, this was the very first one we uploaded to the Valueverse.

724
00:39:43,012 --> 00:39:46,172
Love Schizophrenia, it really does say what it does.

725
00:39:46,172 --> 00:39:49,312
however I chose this because

726
00:39:49,312 --> 00:39:51,432
obviously we

727
00:39:51,432 --> 00:39:52,212
we

728
00:39:52,212 --> 00:39:54,952
are bringing out

729
00:39:54,952 --> 00:39:57,352
I'm just doing I'm putting out loads of live music

730
00:39:57,352 --> 00:39:59,532
at the moment and the version

731
00:39:59,532 --> 00:40:00,652
that we did at the railway

732
00:40:00,652 --> 00:40:03,512
it was actually the second

733
00:40:03,512 --> 00:40:05,012
attempt of doing it like to

734
00:40:05,012 --> 00:40:07,572
when we played it live I actually had to stop

735
00:40:07,572 --> 00:40:08,632
because

736
00:40:08,632 --> 00:40:11,292
I messed up the second verse so

737
00:40:11,292 --> 00:40:12,992
we actually had to stop the song

738
00:40:12,992 --> 00:40:14,552
and then go again

739
00:40:14,552 --> 00:40:17,612
it's not a short song

740
00:40:17,612 --> 00:40:19,292
so yeah

741
00:40:19,292 --> 00:40:19,872
that's

742
00:40:19,872 --> 00:40:22,312
it does what it says with Tin

743
00:40:22,312 --> 00:40:22,932
and

744
00:40:22,932 --> 00:40:26,812
I love and hate this song

745
00:40:26,812 --> 00:40:27,832
at the same time

746
00:40:27,832 --> 00:40:31,152
this is Love Schizophrenia

747
00:40:31,152 --> 00:40:32,072
by Longy

748
00:40:44,552 --> 00:41:00,952
They say you only get one you truly know

749
00:41:00,952 --> 00:41:05,372
Don't you stop, don't you stop

750
00:41:05,372 --> 00:41:09,292
I'd sit and watch the bloom, the spot we made to grow

751
00:41:09,292 --> 00:41:13,672
Don't you stop, don't you stop

752
00:41:13,672 --> 00:41:20,032
You tricked the switch, the one I never thought that anyone would find

753
00:41:20,032 --> 00:41:25,832
Now see the color of my poison running through

754
00:41:25,832 --> 00:41:30,012
Don't you start, don't you start

755
00:41:30,012 --> 00:41:50,488
You stormed me to the war in any way You can this love on fire I I try to shelter us from storm So we walk this road together

756
00:41:50,488 --> 00:41:54,848
But the signs, they point in different ways

757
00:41:54,848 --> 00:41:58,688
And yes, I fall apart forever

758
00:41:58,688 --> 00:42:03,048
But no, it's just love, it's a dream

759
00:42:04,948 --> 00:42:15,268
Smashed all the pictures, left them burning in the rage

760
00:42:15,268 --> 00:42:19,688
I even threw the claws you brought and spat into the flames

761
00:42:19,688 --> 00:42:23,968
Did I ever feel the souls I lay by your side?

762
00:42:23,968 --> 00:42:28,108
At least love is like a phantom trying to bury me alive

763
00:42:28,108 --> 00:42:30,828
Well now you're gonna play my game, bitch

764
00:42:30,828 --> 00:42:34,488
And I'll show you what it means to always work the soul

765
00:42:34,488 --> 00:42:36,708
Into every cut that bleeds

766
00:42:36,708 --> 00:42:39,068
Like a rabbit in the headlights

767
00:42:39,068 --> 00:42:40,728
You got it coming true

768
00:42:40,728 --> 00:42:43,028
We'll never trust your instincts

769
00:42:43,028 --> 00:42:45,028
Even they lie to you

770
00:42:45,028 --> 00:42:47,188
You know you stoned me to

771
00:42:47,188 --> 00:42:49,848
The war here anyway

772
00:42:49,848 --> 00:42:53,368
You can, this love's on fire

773
00:42:53,368 --> 00:42:59,488
I, I'll try to shelter us from storm

774
00:42:59,488 --> 00:43:05,288
So we walk this road together

775
00:43:05,288 --> 00:43:09,668
But the signs they point in different ways

776
00:43:09,668 --> 00:43:14,828
And yes, I fall apart forever but no

777
00:43:14,828 --> 00:43:21,768
So we walk this road together

778
00:43:21,768 --> 00:43:26,088
But the signs they point in different ways

779
00:43:26,088 --> 00:43:31,748
And he asked, I fought a bad for never but long

780
00:43:31,748 --> 00:43:34,488
It's just love schizophrenia

781
00:43:34,488 --> 00:43:42,728
Oh, it's just love schizophrenia

782
00:43:42,728 --> 00:43:51,208
Oh, it's just love schizophrenia

783
00:43:51,208 --> 00:43:58,308
That was Love Schizophrenia by Longy.

784
00:43:58,508 --> 00:44:02,128
So going back to the whole legacy system thing then, Longy,

785
00:44:02,328 --> 00:44:06,348
why aren't you famous?

786
00:44:10,308 --> 00:44:12,188
I don't think that.

787
00:44:12,328 --> 00:44:15,008
I've never even thought about it.

788
00:44:15,708 --> 00:44:17,188
And it's not something I don't think about.

789
00:44:17,288 --> 00:44:19,748
I don't think it's for other people to look at

790
00:44:19,748 --> 00:44:22,968
and then kind of judge of where it's at, I suppose,

791
00:44:23,068 --> 00:44:24,828
once I'm starting to fill out venues.

792
00:44:25,608 --> 00:44:30,108
I mean, I'm 25 years down the line and probably, yeah,

793
00:44:30,248 --> 00:44:32,028
and I still can't fill places out.

794
00:44:32,368 --> 00:44:33,368
Don't know, couldn't tell you.

795
00:44:33,368 --> 00:44:41,628
I mean, I'm, you know, I do everything myself in terms of when it comes

796
00:44:41,628 --> 00:44:46,848
to having someone to sort out recording and obviously having to organise

797
00:44:46,848 --> 00:44:48,908
gigs in the bands and all that.

798
00:44:48,908 --> 00:44:55,048
So, yeah, that's just a strange question for me to even take in, to be fair.

799
00:44:55,148 --> 00:45:00,568
I don't really, I don't know if I'm the best person to, you know,

800
00:45:00,628 --> 00:45:03,448
I'm sure there'll be people along the way in the industry that have said,

801
00:45:03,548 --> 00:45:08,088
well, you know, I've been signed a couple of times and stuff like that,

802
00:45:08,108 --> 00:45:10,588
and it's just never, I don't know, you know,

803
00:45:10,988 --> 00:45:16,408
it's certainly not down to the amount of songs that I've wrote and stuff like that,

804
00:45:16,408 --> 00:45:17,588
because I'm always writing.

805
00:45:19,488 --> 00:45:21,968
It's certainly down to consistency of putting them out.

806
00:45:22,388 --> 00:45:25,708
But then I've always, you know, I've always wanted to do something

807
00:45:25,708 --> 00:45:32,388
where there was something around it, around the music.

808
00:45:32,388 --> 00:45:36,788
Like, you know, when we've done 500 shows in one year,

809
00:45:37,188 --> 00:45:42,468
I kind of wanted that to blow up, and it didn't go the way I planned it to.

810
00:45:42,468 --> 00:45:49,208
um i don't you know we still got ding walls and stuff like that which is what 500 capacity so

811
00:45:49,208 --> 00:45:55,288
it's you know that that can all work but i don't know i think it's after that it's that consistency

812
00:45:55,288 --> 00:45:59,028
of putting music out and stuff like that for me i think i just i just don't think i've been

813
00:45:59,028 --> 00:46:07,128
consistent enough in actually um putting the music out there well it's good that you're taking that

814
00:46:07,128 --> 00:46:12,368
perspective you know you're not blaming others you're not you know saying record label this

815
00:46:12,368 --> 00:46:18,028
record label that i mean to be famous or to be successful maybe famous is the wrong word but to

816
00:46:18,028 --> 00:46:22,728
be successful but i know me like many others listening to this show now that have seen you

817
00:46:22,728 --> 00:46:28,808
play live that have heard your songs have digested your songs over the last couple of years

818
00:46:28,808 --> 00:46:35,848
we all look at each other and we all talk about you and we say i've got no idea why he's never

819
00:46:35,848 --> 00:46:42,308
never made it like is back in the early days like 20 years ago when you was first getting into this

820
00:46:42,308 --> 00:46:50,268
this bandwagon are the record companies that powerful that unless you have a backing of a

821
00:46:50,268 --> 00:46:55,908
record company you've got no chance you know unless you start do that deal with the devil

822
00:46:55,908 --> 00:47:02,168
and hand over all the rights because i mean talk to me about the the contracts that you've signed

823
00:47:02,168 --> 00:47:06,128
Like, did they give you money up front to record?

824
00:47:06,288 --> 00:47:07,688
Did you already have recordings?

825
00:47:08,068 --> 00:47:09,468
You know, was there percentages?

826
00:47:09,928 --> 00:47:13,888
I don't know if you can divulge any of that, whether you remember any of it.

827
00:47:14,008 --> 00:47:21,728
But ultimately, my question is, does someone get famous because of Bloodlines and who they know and record company?

828
00:47:22,968 --> 00:47:24,308
Or is it talent?

829
00:47:24,308 --> 00:47:27,908
because I look at the halftime Super Bowl show the other day,

830
00:47:27,988 --> 00:47:30,348
which was Bad Bunny, and you're like,

831
00:47:30,448 --> 00:47:33,328
that's kind of everything that's wrong with the industry today.

832
00:47:33,448 --> 00:47:37,328
Like 20 years ago, you had Prince, multi-instrumentalists,

833
00:47:37,908 --> 00:47:42,508
prolific songwriter, like just dripping with talent in the rain

834
00:47:42,508 --> 00:47:45,928
doing a halftime Super Bowl show.

835
00:47:46,528 --> 00:47:51,308
And now you have, you know, different genres coming up.

836
00:47:51,308 --> 00:47:57,108
but to me they just don't feel as if they're as talented as a bygone era.

837
00:47:57,388 --> 00:47:57,968
Do you know what I mean?

838
00:47:58,208 --> 00:47:58,828
Yeah, completely.

839
00:47:59,128 --> 00:48:03,888
I think it's been a bit of a massive, I love Kendrick Lamar,

840
00:48:04,008 --> 00:48:07,368
and I think his producer, when he was coming up, Derek Ali,

841
00:48:08,008 --> 00:48:13,088
he said how because of all the genres emerging,

842
00:48:13,688 --> 00:48:16,148
all the genres now are just falling into each other.

843
00:48:16,148 --> 00:48:21,188
So we don't really know what, you know, I think, you know,

844
00:48:21,188 --> 00:48:24,208
certain artists that they play a rock song,

845
00:48:24,268 --> 00:48:27,488
then they play a folk song and they play a country song and they play a hip,

846
00:48:27,608 --> 00:48:28,648
a hip hop song.

847
00:48:28,968 --> 00:48:29,128
And they,

848
00:48:29,268 --> 00:48:29,488
I mean,

849
00:48:29,508 --> 00:48:29,848
it's like,

850
00:48:29,888 --> 00:48:31,748
it's endless of what they can do,

851
00:48:31,868 --> 00:48:32,768
which is brilliant.

852
00:48:33,048 --> 00:48:33,808
But I think,

853
00:48:34,228 --> 00:48:34,848
you know,

854
00:48:34,888 --> 00:48:37,968
through the nineties and certainly through every decade that me and you have

855
00:48:37,968 --> 00:48:38,208
loved,

856
00:48:38,308 --> 00:48:38,928
certainly from,

857
00:48:39,468 --> 00:48:39,808
you know,

858
00:48:39,868 --> 00:48:40,668
all the times we've,

859
00:48:40,668 --> 00:48:41,068
we've,

860
00:48:41,068 --> 00:48:42,328
we've heard our,

861
00:48:42,328 --> 00:48:42,708
our,

862
00:48:42,708 --> 00:48:43,328
our,

863
00:48:43,328 --> 00:48:44,668
our heroes and,

864
00:48:44,708 --> 00:48:45,348
and bands,

865
00:48:46,168 --> 00:48:49,968
they've always just stuck to just one thing and they've done it really,

866
00:48:50,128 --> 00:48:50,588
really well.

867
00:48:50,588 --> 00:48:54,188
and then obviously where you grow with that person,

868
00:48:54,448 --> 00:48:59,908
obviously, you know, you then see the growth of where they're going.

869
00:49:00,348 --> 00:49:03,808
But I think now it's just I don't really know what I'm looking at anymore.

870
00:49:04,088 --> 00:49:06,228
I don't, and I certainly don't, you know,

871
00:49:06,268 --> 00:49:09,948
I still listen to the likes of Nina Simone and put those records on

872
00:49:09,948 --> 00:49:10,928
and lose myself.

873
00:49:11,468 --> 00:49:14,168
I don't really listen to a lot of stuff that's about now.

874
00:49:15,448 --> 00:49:17,108
And it's hurt me on.

875
00:49:17,168 --> 00:49:20,308
I'm sure there'll be, you know, there'll be a song here or there.

876
00:49:20,308 --> 00:49:26,548
definitely um but yeah i don't i don't know i mean our record labels of course they're powerful

877
00:49:26,548 --> 00:49:30,988
that's exactly that's exactly you know they are the gatekeepers that is you look at the brits

878
00:49:30,988 --> 00:49:36,528
it's guaranteed it's good it's that's the that's the record labels that's basically a record labels

879
00:49:36,528 --> 00:49:43,888
night night in a room where everyone just you know says well we've got a bigger artist than you

880
00:49:43,888 --> 00:49:51,208
it's as simple as that and and it is i just think it's um it's it's easy to see of course when you've

881
00:49:51,208 --> 00:49:57,168
been in it for so long but yeah i think i think you know you can blame people all day long about

882
00:49:57,168 --> 00:50:03,668
why you haven't i think i always just look at the things that i've done wrong in the past and then

883
00:50:03,668 --> 00:50:08,948
go right how can i how can i put it right or how can i do it differently this time that's all i care

884
00:50:08,948 --> 00:50:14,028
about now i don't i don't i'm certainly never look at um look at anyone to blame because i just

885
00:50:14,028 --> 00:50:19,748
think that's that's a it's a silly game and you're plus you'll beat yourself up you know you can beat

886
00:50:19,748 --> 00:50:26,068
yourself up a thousand times over it you know i mean so no there's no bit of this um here at all

887
00:50:26,068 --> 00:50:32,708
if anything i just want people to win if they're really really good it's that simple yeah it's

888
00:50:32,708 --> 00:50:38,548
interesting what you say about like the award shows for example like the brit awards um it does

889
00:50:38,548 --> 00:50:45,368
feel like you know it's almost like wwf wrestling where you know a script's been written you know

890
00:50:45,368 --> 00:50:51,348
for adele to take home seven brit awards and you know not taking anything away from her but it does

891
00:50:51,348 --> 00:50:59,288
seem like it's a little bit kind of scripted for these things to happen to like push certain people

892
00:50:59,288 --> 00:51:04,688
along the line but um yeah no it's quite it's quite interesting it literally is scripted

893
00:51:04,688 --> 00:51:08,768
to the point where it's not like, I don't think it's like, you know,

894
00:51:09,868 --> 00:51:13,888
everyone knows where, you know, the 1%,

895
00:51:13,888 --> 00:51:17,668
getting to the 1% of the music industry is, of course, the hardest thing.

896
00:51:17,668 --> 00:51:20,628
But you're normally, you know, you've got to go look this way

897
00:51:20,628 --> 00:51:22,568
or you've got to look that way or you've got to have this

898
00:51:22,568 --> 00:51:25,448
or you've got to have that or it's like, I don't know.

899
00:51:25,648 --> 00:51:30,308
I just find it, you know, remember when NME Awards used to be exciting?

900
00:51:30,668 --> 00:51:32,388
You'd be like, oh, mate, it's going to kick off this year.

901
00:51:32,388 --> 00:51:34,488
and now you're just like

902
00:51:34,488 --> 00:51:35,048
Christ

903
00:51:35,048 --> 00:51:36,548
take that again up

904
00:51:36,548 --> 00:51:37,568
my God

905
00:51:37,568 --> 00:51:38,048
like

906
00:51:38,048 --> 00:51:39,068
it's just

907
00:51:39,068 --> 00:51:40,048
it's just gone

908
00:51:40,048 --> 00:51:40,548
for me

909
00:51:40,548 --> 00:51:41,128
it's just that

910
00:51:41,128 --> 00:51:41,548
that

911
00:51:41,548 --> 00:51:43,128
and so that's why I hold on to it

912
00:51:43,128 --> 00:51:43,648
to be fair

913
00:51:43,648 --> 00:51:44,648
that's why I tried to

914
00:51:44,648 --> 00:51:46,868
you know

915
00:51:46,868 --> 00:51:48,488
not try and do

916
00:51:48,488 --> 00:51:50,428
too many things

917
00:51:50,428 --> 00:51:51,788
in terms of

918
00:51:51,788 --> 00:51:53,528
I love talking

919
00:51:53,528 --> 00:51:54,868
on podcasts

920
00:51:54,868 --> 00:51:55,668
and stuff like that

921
00:51:55,668 --> 00:51:56,168
but I don't

922
00:51:56,168 --> 00:51:56,828
you know

923
00:51:56,828 --> 00:51:57,968
in terms of

924
00:51:57,968 --> 00:51:58,348
God

925
00:51:58,348 --> 00:51:58,948
I don't know

926
00:51:58,948 --> 00:52:00,068
I just think it's

927
00:52:00,068 --> 00:52:00,668
the way

928
00:52:00,668 --> 00:52:00,968
where

929
00:52:00,968 --> 00:52:01,888
where

930
00:52:02,388 --> 00:52:04,868
where the youth is with their music today,

931
00:52:05,128 --> 00:52:05,448
I just,

932
00:52:05,988 --> 00:52:08,348
they're worried about saying the wrong thing and they're worried about who's

933
00:52:08,348 --> 00:52:08,988
listening to it.

934
00:52:09,148 --> 00:52:09,808
And it's just like,

935
00:52:10,028 --> 00:52:10,868
that's never going to,

936
00:52:10,968 --> 00:52:11,488
it's never,

937
00:52:11,488 --> 00:52:13,388
it's never going to get your blood rushing ever,

938
00:52:13,908 --> 00:52:14,428
you know?

939
00:52:16,108 --> 00:52:16,588
Yeah.

940
00:52:16,688 --> 00:52:18,008
So going back to the awards,

941
00:52:18,348 --> 00:52:24,088
do you know who the British male act who's won the most Brit awards is?

942
00:52:24,368 --> 00:52:24,668
No.

943
00:52:26,268 --> 00:52:31,648
So considering like the amount of musical artists this country's produced,

944
00:52:31,648 --> 00:52:42,868
from Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Robert Plant, Paul Weller, Sid Vicious, Johnny Rotten.

945
00:52:44,388 --> 00:52:47,208
Robbie Williams has won 18 Brit Awards.

946
00:52:47,808 --> 00:52:49,508
He's the record holder.

947
00:52:50,108 --> 00:52:54,108
Well, I mean, maybe it's his ridiculous outfits.

948
00:52:55,768 --> 00:52:57,428
I've got to pull him through.

949
00:52:57,588 --> 00:52:57,988
I don't know.

950
00:52:57,988 --> 00:53:04,708
he really is the albanian version of um what's his name norman wisdom

951
00:53:04,708 --> 00:53:12,368
brilliant so yeah so i mean i can imagine like you know it's it's one big club you know it goes

952
00:53:12,368 --> 00:53:16,848
back to that george carlin thing doesn't it the music industry is one big club and you know you

953
00:53:16,848 --> 00:53:24,048
ain't in it it's as simple as that um i mean i find that quite offensive the fact that i mean

954
00:53:24,048 --> 00:53:30,068
as you know I'm a hairdresser by trade and we have the British Hairdressing Awards every single

955
00:53:30,068 --> 00:53:36,088
year and I always find it really really difficult to look at awards for art because obviously it's

956
00:53:36,088 --> 00:53:42,548
all subjective how can you say one song's better than another you know how can you say one hairdo

957
00:53:42,548 --> 00:53:49,748
is better than another so I've always found it like quite um what's the word just a bit hypocritical

958
00:53:49,748 --> 00:53:54,488
do you know what i mean you know you're looking at like one person's but one person's opinion over

959
00:53:54,488 --> 00:54:00,128
another um so yeah when it comes to awards and things like that it does seem like i say very

960
00:54:00,128 --> 00:54:06,328
scripted a little bit like wwf like yeah we're gonna allow this person to win this year you know

961
00:54:06,328 --> 00:54:10,908
and they're gonna get fame that's right i suppose there's a bit of that in the mercury awards as

962
00:54:10,908 --> 00:54:16,788
well isn't there the mercury awards is kind of something that is a little bit more supposedly

963
00:54:16,788 --> 00:54:23,348
industry based you know like from the journalist's point of view isn't it the mercuries but you still

964
00:54:23,348 --> 00:54:30,528
get some like random albums and random acts in there and and you just feel sometimes oh they're

965
00:54:30,528 --> 00:54:37,048
just putting this this act forward because they're edgy do you know what i mean like once again like

966
00:54:37,048 --> 00:54:43,388
not based on talent it just seems to be based on like an agenda filling or something like that

967
00:54:43,388 --> 00:54:45,088
yeah I mean it just

968
00:54:45,088 --> 00:54:46,488
it just feels like a toy shop

969
00:54:46,488 --> 00:54:47,548
for the big fat kids

970
00:54:47,548 --> 00:54:49,308
that's what it feels like to me

971
00:54:49,308 --> 00:54:50,728
there's a toy

972
00:54:50,728 --> 00:54:52,088
the toy shop or sweet shop

973
00:54:52,088 --> 00:54:52,308
and

974
00:54:52,308 --> 00:54:54,408
and they all just want to eat the sweets

975
00:54:54,408 --> 00:54:55,448
and get the biggest toys

976
00:54:55,448 --> 00:54:57,028
and leave

977
00:54:57,028 --> 00:54:57,808
I don't know

978
00:54:57,808 --> 00:54:58,728
just leave maybe

979
00:54:58,728 --> 00:54:59,228
you know

980
00:54:59,228 --> 00:55:01,748
there's so much amazing music

981
00:55:01,748 --> 00:55:02,548
that never gets

982
00:55:02,548 --> 00:55:04,388
to see the light of day

983
00:55:04,388 --> 00:55:05,108
and

984
00:55:05,108 --> 00:55:06,088
yeah

985
00:55:06,088 --> 00:55:07,928
it's a sad state of affairs

986
00:55:07,928 --> 00:55:08,208
but

987
00:55:08,208 --> 00:55:10,068
I don't think it's ever been different

988
00:55:10,068 --> 00:55:10,868
any different

989
00:55:10,868 --> 00:55:11,628
and I don't think

990
00:55:11,628 --> 00:55:12,108
you know

991
00:55:12,108 --> 00:55:18,568
So I think it's going to take a hell of a long time for that side to catch up on here of where we are.

992
00:55:18,728 --> 00:55:24,048
And I think as long as we keep on listening to great music and put it forward, then I'm in a good place.

993
00:55:24,308 --> 00:55:26,868
I know you are, so that's all we can do.

994
00:55:28,028 --> 00:55:33,228
So currently, yeah, the system we're talking about for those people who are joining in,

995
00:55:33,264 --> 00:55:36,104
with the show and don't really understand what we're talking about.

996
00:55:36,204 --> 00:55:41,004
So basically, let me give a quick rundown of what it is.

997
00:55:41,684 --> 00:55:45,544
When we talk about Spotify and we talk about YouTube

998
00:55:45,544 --> 00:55:50,604
and we talk about basically Amazon Music and all of those kind of things,

999
00:55:51,424 --> 00:55:54,744
we're talking about them being centralized systems.

1000
00:55:55,504 --> 00:55:59,244
You have to adhere to those kind of rules and those platforms

1001
00:55:59,244 --> 00:56:04,364
and they have the ability to kind of throttle your content if necessary.

1002
00:56:05,264 --> 00:56:06,344
Those are platforms.

1003
00:56:06,764 --> 00:56:09,924
Now, basically, what we're building over here, the Valueverse,

1004
00:56:10,024 --> 00:56:12,164
it runs on top of three protocols.

1005
00:56:12,484 --> 00:56:14,644
Now, the difference between a platform and a protocol

1006
00:56:14,644 --> 00:56:17,824
is a platform is essentially owned by someone,

1007
00:56:17,824 --> 00:56:22,944
whereas a protocol is just a rule set which anybody can take part in,

1008
00:56:23,204 --> 00:56:25,104
and it's open source and free.

1009
00:56:25,104 --> 00:56:34,284
So basically the three protocols that we are using in the value verse is obviously our favorite, Bitcoin, because that's the monetary layer.

1010
00:56:34,404 --> 00:56:36,144
That's the monetary protocol of the Internet.

1011
00:56:36,664 --> 00:56:50,924
We have RSS, which is essentially the media catalog protocol of the Internet, which is decentralized as well.

1012
00:56:50,924 --> 00:57:06,384
And then the third one, which is obviously a new invention, is called NOSTA, which is a decentralized communications protocol, which essentially is the first iteration of it has really been social media.

1013
00:57:07,084 --> 00:57:11,124
So for anyone that is listening to this show, don't know what NOSTA is.

1014
00:57:11,904 --> 00:57:17,744
NOSTA, once again, it's a decentralized protocol where you control the content you put out,

1015
00:57:17,744 --> 00:57:22,544
you control your audience, and you have the keys for it.

1016
00:57:23,004 --> 00:57:27,724
So this is the kind of the future that we're trying to push.

1017
00:57:27,724 --> 00:57:36,164
I'm trying to nudge new musicians into this ecosystem

1018
00:57:36,164 --> 00:57:38,004
so that we can build it out.

1019
00:57:38,904 --> 00:57:44,704
So when I'm listening to the radio, I often think of,

1020
00:57:45,744 --> 00:57:48,824
I think, how does this song get radio play?

1021
00:57:49,044 --> 00:57:49,584
Do you know what I mean?

1022
00:57:49,584 --> 00:57:55,124
I hear a lot better music in the value verse than I hear on the radio now.

1023
00:57:55,124 --> 00:58:01,104
this is what we're trying to do so basically because all of this music gets put in the value

1024
00:58:01,104 --> 00:58:07,264
verse for free people are now able to create their own music shows and music podcasts and

1025
00:58:07,264 --> 00:58:12,304
they have the ability to go through a curate an hours long show where they're playing all this new

1026
00:58:12,304 --> 00:58:18,424
music and generally this is music that you've never heard before it's multi-genres as well

1027
00:58:18,424 --> 00:58:24,584
so i'd implore any of you that doesn't know about the value verse we've got plenty of shows

1028
00:58:24,584 --> 00:58:27,644
in the V4V space now.

1029
00:58:28,244 --> 00:58:29,444
Go and check them out.

1030
00:58:29,504 --> 00:58:31,404
If you've got the Fountain app, they're there.

1031
00:58:31,864 --> 00:58:34,464
I'm just going to run a few of my favourites off.

1032
00:58:34,544 --> 00:58:35,564
We've got Upbeats.

1033
00:58:35,844 --> 00:58:37,364
We've got Homegrown Hits.

1034
00:58:37,484 --> 00:58:39,124
We've got Radio Detox.

1035
00:58:39,264 --> 00:58:41,444
We've got Mutton Mead and Music.

1036
00:58:43,124 --> 00:58:47,724
They are essentially radio music podcasts,

1037
00:58:47,884 --> 00:58:50,244
music radio podcasts, whatever you want to call them.

1038
00:58:50,244 --> 00:58:53,064
But what I've noticed lately, Longy,

1039
00:58:53,064 --> 00:58:58,624
is long-form podcasts, you know, where they have guests on and they have two-hour chats.

1040
00:58:59,024 --> 00:59:06,024
They are now starting to use Valueverse songs as like little interludes, you know, in between

1041
00:59:06,024 --> 00:59:10,104
like one segment of the show and the next segment of the show, or they'll play a song.

1042
00:59:10,524 --> 00:59:17,204
So they're giving spotlight to musicians as well. So we are in a really good space at the moment.

1043
00:59:17,204 --> 00:59:25,284
We just need to get more people aware of this space, this ecosystem, and more people participating in it.

1044
00:59:25,964 --> 00:59:30,204
And like I say, I think the timeline is artists on board, get the material.

1045
00:59:31,004 --> 00:59:32,984
The material will speak for itself.

1046
00:59:33,164 --> 00:59:34,704
Then the fans will come on board.

1047
00:59:34,804 --> 00:59:47,184
And then hopefully the fans will then become Bitcoiners and they will start seeing Bitcoin in a really positive light rather than all the negative press and fub that has accompanied Bitcoin for the last, you know, seven, eight years.

1048
00:59:47,204 --> 00:59:53,624
years like it murdering babies and you know causing cancer and all those kind of things and

1049
00:59:53,624 --> 01:00:00,264
boiling oceans so anyway that's that was that i'm going to go on for the third song now longy if you

1050
01:00:00,264 --> 01:00:06,064
don't mind now this is a little bit of a treat for me because i've not heard this song before this is

1051
01:00:06,064 --> 01:00:13,704
called hamlet court blues now hamlet court road is a famous street in west cliff in essex that we

1052
01:00:13,704 --> 01:00:15,384
both know very, very well.

1053
01:00:16,384 --> 01:00:18,664
Do you want to tell us a little bit about this song?

1054
01:00:20,884 --> 01:00:25,904
It's my undying love for Margot Robbie if she lived on the streets of Southend.

1055
01:00:28,344 --> 01:00:29,604
Well, there you go, mate.

1056
01:00:29,704 --> 01:00:31,844
So this is like a love letter to Margot Robbie.

1057
01:00:33,304 --> 01:00:37,664
Yeah, which is amusing for obviously the fact that we've just gone past Valentine's

1058
01:00:38,244 --> 01:00:41,244
and obviously her new film's out.

1059
01:00:41,244 --> 01:00:50,144
But no, she, I suppose you just get certain people that you look at and you go, okay, I can put their stick, their name in.

1060
01:00:50,404 --> 01:00:52,304
And they're kind of full front.

1061
01:00:52,424 --> 01:00:54,104
But no, there is real, it's a real road.

1062
01:00:54,404 --> 01:00:56,004
There's real, there's real character.

1063
01:00:56,624 --> 01:00:58,384
It's a brilliant, it's a brilliant place.

1064
01:00:58,764 --> 01:01:04,584
And I suggest that everybody at least goes and has breakfast down at Madeira.

1065
01:01:07,164 --> 01:01:10,064
This is Hamlet Court Blues by Longing.

1066
01:01:11,244 --> 01:01:41,224
Thank you.

1067
01:01:41,244 --> 01:01:51,524
She look like 74, shuffling past the old snooker hall, trying to catch the light from the sun.

1068
01:01:53,644 --> 01:02:03,664
Her dreams come in tin cans, cell phones after her old man would knock her until she's black and blue.

1069
01:02:03,664 --> 01:02:11,904
You think that's easy? This ain't easy for me

1070
01:02:11,904 --> 01:02:17,604
And I don't want to put myself on anybody

1071
01:02:17,604 --> 01:02:24,444
On the surface you can hide, but it don't match what's inside

1072
01:02:24,444 --> 01:02:28,764
The chameleon on the street is to be

1073
01:02:28,764 --> 01:02:33,724
With a cigarette in hand

1074
01:02:33,724 --> 01:02:36,664
Try to understand

1075
01:02:36,664 --> 01:02:38,664
You wanna go

1076
01:02:38,664 --> 01:02:42,804
You're just running for tomorrow

1077
01:02:42,804 --> 01:02:46,004
Well you can cover up the lies

1078
01:02:46,004 --> 01:02:48,924
You have to face in time

1079
01:02:48,924 --> 01:02:50,904
When you wanna go

1080
01:02:50,904 --> 01:02:55,104
You're just running for tomorrow

1081
01:02:58,764 --> 01:03:14,244
She looked like 54, with leather skin and eyes that tore right through you

1082
01:03:14,244 --> 01:03:17,784
She lies in a cherry shop, ancient store

1083
01:03:17,784 --> 01:03:25,504
She once was the glam and glitter that I haven't put up Hamlet call

1084
01:03:25,504 --> 01:03:28,744
It was no one that didn't know her

1085
01:03:28,744 --> 01:03:31,584
She smiled and you were born

1086
01:03:31,584 --> 01:03:35,164
She finds a no-foot jack in Victoria Road

1087
01:03:35,164 --> 01:03:38,144
Dances in the moonlight, falls and goes

1088
01:03:38,144 --> 01:03:40,324
Shots like Michael Robbie

1089
01:03:40,324 --> 01:03:43,364
In a reflection of a window

1090
01:03:43,364 --> 01:03:46,704
And a straightened catwalk from freaks to show

1091
01:03:46,704 --> 01:03:49,804
And they don't stand where they go

1092
01:03:49,804 --> 01:03:52,464
So vote without the money

1093
01:03:52,464 --> 01:03:55,704
As you try to find the exit though

1094
01:03:55,704 --> 01:03:58,144
With a single rain plan

1095
01:03:58,144 --> 01:04:00,904
You try to understand

1096
01:04:00,904 --> 01:04:02,824
Where you wanna go

1097
01:04:02,824 --> 01:04:06,864
You're just running for tomorrow

1098
01:04:06,864 --> 01:04:10,004
You cover up the lies

1099
01:04:10,004 --> 01:04:12,724
Yeah, after passing time

1100
01:04:12,724 --> 01:04:14,624
Where you wanna go

1101
01:04:14,624 --> 01:04:18,504
You're just running for tomorrow

1102
01:04:22,464 --> 01:04:52,444
Thank you.

1103
01:04:52,464 --> 01:05:07,824
When you see you're raging

1104
01:05:07,824 --> 01:05:11,264
You try to understand

1105
01:05:11,264 --> 01:05:13,164
Where you wanna go

1106
01:05:13,164 --> 01:05:17,124
You're just running for tomorrow

1107
01:05:17,124 --> 01:05:20,444
In cover of your eyes

1108
01:05:20,444 --> 01:05:23,064
You have the best in time

1109
01:05:23,064 --> 01:05:24,904
Where you wanna go

1110
01:05:24,904 --> 01:05:28,964
You're just running for tomorrow

1111
01:05:28,964 --> 01:05:32,024
When you see the rain in

1112
01:05:32,024 --> 01:05:34,464
You're trying to understand

1113
01:05:34,464 --> 01:05:36,524
Where you wanna go

1114
01:05:36,524 --> 01:05:40,784
You're just running for tomorrow

1115
01:05:40,784 --> 01:05:44,044
You can cover up your eyes

1116
01:05:44,044 --> 01:05:46,624
You have the best in time

1117
01:05:46,624 --> 01:05:48,464
Where you wanna go

1118
01:05:48,464 --> 01:05:52,464
You're just running for tomorrow

1119
01:06:18,464 --> 01:06:29,644
So that was Hamlet Court Blues live by Longy.

1120
01:06:30,864 --> 01:06:32,884
Really stunning track, mate.

1121
01:06:32,964 --> 01:06:35,164
I did hear the Margot Robbie shout out.

1122
01:06:35,244 --> 01:06:36,004
That would be incredible.

1123
01:06:36,244 --> 01:06:38,644
You saw Margot Robbie walking up Hamlet Court Road.

1124
01:06:38,864 --> 01:06:39,444
It'd be quite amazing.

1125
01:06:39,604 --> 01:06:41,504
Sean, how would react to that?

1126
01:06:41,504 --> 01:06:43,004
But Southend is quite famous.

1127
01:06:43,124 --> 01:06:44,964
We do welcome the odd Hollywood celeb.

1128
01:06:44,964 --> 01:06:49,824
I know Danny DeVito and Liv Tyler were at the end of the pier one year

1129
01:06:49,824 --> 01:06:51,564
in Jamie Oliver's restaurant, weren't they?

1130
01:06:52,184 --> 01:06:53,444
Yeah, there's quite a few people down there.

1131
01:06:53,504 --> 01:06:56,544
Yeah, I heard that.

1132
01:06:56,604 --> 01:06:57,164
I heard that.

1133
01:06:57,224 --> 01:06:58,104
I heard that as well.

1134
01:06:58,264 --> 01:06:59,444
There's quite a few people down there.

1135
01:06:59,684 --> 01:07:00,704
But it should be.

1136
01:07:00,944 --> 01:07:08,964
It's a brilliant, vibrant, colourful, uncolourful, crazy, messed up place.

1137
01:07:09,384 --> 01:07:13,064
And there should be more places like this because I think that's where

1138
01:07:13,064 --> 01:07:13,904
all the stories are.

1139
01:07:13,904 --> 01:07:21,564
you know it's our very own blackpool 100 100 so looking at your like style you obviously play

1140
01:07:21,564 --> 01:07:29,604
guitar you tinkle the ivories um but the horn plays quite or the trumpet i mean what is that

1141
01:07:29,604 --> 01:07:38,744
is that trumpet yeah the trumpet plays quite an important role in uh quite a few of your tracks

1142
01:07:38,744 --> 01:07:45,104
why is that is there something that inspired you to use that i mean tell me

1143
01:07:45,104 --> 01:07:52,744
uh before i met the feral child um his real name is adam foran and he's now in the army

1144
01:07:52,744 --> 01:07:57,004
um he's in the army band that's why he's gone there um

1145
01:07:57,004 --> 01:08:04,084
i when i was well i can't remember when what was i doing i was doing i was i was there was

1146
01:08:04,084 --> 01:08:05,164
some song that I had,

1147
01:08:06,704 --> 01:08:07,224
oh man,

1148
01:08:07,264 --> 01:08:07,904
I wish I knew it,

1149
01:08:07,964 --> 01:08:09,044
I can't remember what it's called anyway,

1150
01:08:09,404 --> 01:08:10,244
and I just remember,

1151
01:08:10,444 --> 01:08:10,744
I don't know,

1152
01:08:10,744 --> 01:08:11,304
I don't know what,

1153
01:08:11,404 --> 01:08:13,004
I don't know where that has actually come from,

1154
01:08:13,004 --> 01:08:13,264
that,

1155
01:08:13,664 --> 01:08:14,004
that,

1156
01:08:14,384 --> 01:08:15,504
I think it's the Go Team,

1157
01:08:15,744 --> 01:08:16,184
when I was a kid,

1158
01:08:16,284 --> 01:08:18,344
I was in a band called The Go Team,

1159
01:08:18,444 --> 01:08:19,004
from Brighton,

1160
01:08:19,344 --> 01:08:21,104
and they always had this real,

1161
01:08:21,924 --> 01:08:23,564
this big,

1162
01:08:23,644 --> 01:08:24,444
they'd always play the,

1163
01:08:24,584 --> 01:08:24,804
you know,

1164
01:08:24,844 --> 01:08:26,624
they'd always play big brass parts,

1165
01:08:26,724 --> 01:08:28,064
but I suppose just from,

1166
01:08:28,404 --> 01:08:28,684
you know,

1167
01:08:28,744 --> 01:08:29,764
just Phil Spector,

1168
01:08:29,864 --> 01:08:30,484
Phil Spector,

1169
01:08:31,584 --> 01:08:32,324
as a kid,

1170
01:08:32,784 --> 01:08:32,944
you know,

1171
01:08:32,944 --> 01:08:33,284
all those,

1172
01:08:33,284 --> 01:08:37,704
all those great songs of just big brass Motown and just,

1173
01:08:37,844 --> 01:08:39,844
there would always be those moments that you just go,

1174
01:08:39,944 --> 01:08:40,064
oh,

1175
01:08:40,124 --> 01:08:40,284
mate,

1176
01:08:40,304 --> 01:08:42,104
that sounds amazing.

1177
01:08:42,624 --> 01:08:43,104
Springsteen's,

1178
01:08:43,104 --> 01:08:43,404
you know,

1179
01:08:43,864 --> 01:08:46,964
Clowns Plements on the saxophone,

1180
01:08:47,164 --> 01:08:49,604
I suppose that had a part of it to do with it,

1181
01:08:49,624 --> 01:08:50,044
I suppose.

1182
01:08:50,784 --> 01:08:51,144
So yeah.

1183
01:08:51,144 --> 01:08:52,404
And then obviously once I,

1184
01:08:52,604 --> 01:08:53,464
once I met,

1185
01:08:53,524 --> 01:08:55,004
met Adam,

1186
01:08:55,344 --> 01:08:59,244
then we just really started to cement a good,

1187
01:08:59,344 --> 01:09:01,604
a good music form.

1188
01:09:01,924 --> 01:09:03,204
They had an amazing friendship.

1189
01:09:03,284 --> 01:09:03,924
and then

1190
01:09:03,924 --> 01:09:07,324
yeah so it just kind of

1191
01:09:07,324 --> 01:09:09,464
become a pillar of the music really

1192
01:09:09,464 --> 01:09:11,524
because it just adds

1193
01:09:11,524 --> 01:09:13,364
so much to it and it's just

1194
01:09:13,364 --> 01:09:14,204
an amazing instrument

1195
01:09:14,204 --> 01:09:17,404
yeah I miss the boy, I do miss it

1196
01:09:17,404 --> 01:09:19,604
I'm just so

1197
01:09:19,604 --> 01:09:21,484
glad the feral child didn't play

1198
01:09:21,484 --> 01:09:33,260
the banjo that would have affected that would have affected me yeah I figured it would affect most people to be fair right okay

1199
01:09:33,260 --> 01:09:33,1000
alright well look

1200
01:09:33,1000 --> 01:09:34,940
let's go straight

1201
01:09:34,940 --> 01:09:35,780
into another track

1202
01:09:35,780 --> 01:09:37,420
this is your

1203
01:09:37,420 --> 01:09:38,320
fourth choice

1204
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:39,600
and this is also

1205
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:40,300
a live track

1206
01:09:40,300 --> 01:09:41,060
as well right

1207
01:09:41,060 --> 01:09:42,560
you say you're a

1208
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:43,120
warrior yeah

1209
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:43,540
I don't

1210
01:09:43,540 --> 01:09:44,940
yeah it's just a

1211
01:09:44,940 --> 01:09:45,540
bit of a funk

1212
01:09:45,540 --> 01:09:47,040
bit of a funk

1213
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:47,700
honestly really

1214
01:09:47,700 --> 01:09:48,340
to be fair

1215
01:09:48,340 --> 01:09:49,280
we just wanted to

1216
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:50,460
I don't know why

1217
01:09:50,460 --> 01:09:51,240
I don't know why

1218
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:52,260
I don't know where it comes from.

1219
01:09:52,380 --> 01:09:53,600
I can't remember what I was listening to at the time.

1220
01:09:54,220 --> 01:09:58,520
It would have been like, I don't know, again,

1221
01:09:58,1000 --> 01:10:05,100
it would have been kind of listening to a bit of James Brown

1222
01:10:05,100 --> 01:10:07,920
or something like that where you just get those, I don't know,

1223
01:10:08,100 --> 01:10:13,260
those sly guitar nicks and stuff like that where, I don't know,

1224
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,520
everyone loves a bit of funk.

1225
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:17,020
So that's where this comes from, really.

1226
01:10:18,020 --> 01:10:20,860
Okay, well, this is You Say You're a Warrior.

1227
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,240
For a long week.

1228
01:10:51,240 --> 01:11:01,880
But if you dance to the end like a hurricane

1229
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:05,160
Staring at your pain, shadow of pain and grief

1230
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:06,360
I can with me

1231
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:10,720
Still swimming in the deep, crawling

1232
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:14,240
Say what you feel is to be an amenity pouring

1233
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:21,840
Sometimes it feels you can't move on

1234
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:27,340
Sometimes it feels you can't move on

1235
01:11:27,340 --> 01:11:30,420
You say you're a warrior, I, yeah

1236
01:11:30,420 --> 01:11:35,020
You say you're a warrior, I, yeah

1237
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:48,080
Yeah, on your feet, may I choose from a factory

1238
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:52,740
On Monday morning, a car in a 72

1239
01:11:52,740 --> 01:11:56,840
Ain't got time to realign, to redefine

1240
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:58,640
I'll change what you've got in mind

1241
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,160
And breathe, are you with me?

1242
01:12:03,220 --> 01:12:05,260
Be the one who find this goal

1243
01:12:05,260 --> 01:12:07,740
Be the one, beat the one, be good

1244
01:12:07,740 --> 01:12:10,240
And breathe, are you with me?

1245
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:14,340
Look through the constellations

1246
01:12:14,340 --> 01:12:16,280
Higher vibrations

1247
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,540
And the only way to do it

1248
01:12:18,540 --> 01:12:19,580
Be bare and to prove it

1249
01:12:19,580 --> 01:12:21,640
Be the same around what do I go

1250
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,020
Sometimes it fills you

1251
01:12:24,020 --> 01:12:25,680
Yeah, move on

1252
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:28,700
Sometimes it fills you

1253
01:12:28,700 --> 01:12:30,540
Yeah, move on

1254
01:12:30,540 --> 01:12:32,920
You say you're a warrior

1255
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:33,940
Higher

1256
01:12:33,940 --> 01:12:37,420
You say you're a warrior

1257
01:12:37,420 --> 01:12:39,740
Higher, higher

1258
01:12:39,740 --> 01:12:40,580
Rock, rock!

1259
01:13:09,740 --> 01:13:34,740
This is where the seaside sounds like to child

1260
01:13:34,740 --> 01:13:36,700
Three o'clock in the morning brothers and sisters

1261
01:13:39,740 --> 01:13:46,760
Intro

1262
01:13:46,760 --> 01:14:04,940
To say you're a warrior ah

1263
01:14:04,940 --> 01:14:05,940
Ah yeah

1264
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:09,400
She said you're a warrior

1265
01:14:09,480 --> 01:14:10,160
Ah yeah

1266
01:14:12,260 --> 01:14:13,880
She said you're a warrior

1267
01:14:14,060 --> 01:14:16,400
Ah yeah

1268
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:16,560
Yeah

1269
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,300
She said you're a warrior

1270
01:14:18,300 --> 01:14:19,480
Ah yeah

1271
01:14:19,480 --> 01:14:20,500
Ah yeah

1272
01:14:20,700 --> 01:14:21,480
Uh

1273
01:14:21,500 --> 01:14:22,940
She said you're a warrior

1274
01:14:22,940 --> 01:14:24,340
Ah yeah

1275
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:27,440
She said you're a warrior

1276
01:14:27,620 --> 01:14:28,540
Ah yeah

1277
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:30,560
Oh

1278
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,020
She said you're a warrior

1279
01:14:32,220 --> 01:14:33,260
Ah yeah

1280
01:14:33,260 --> 01:14:58,160
Do you...ogi do you say you're a warrior.

1281
01:15:03,260 --> 01:15:15,260
you say you're a warrior are you are you

1282
01:15:15,260 --> 01:15:30,180
that was you say you're a warrior by longy so then longy talk to me a little bit about the

1283
01:15:30,180 --> 01:15:37,500
value verse how you see it what the next 12 months 18 months are going to be like for you

1284
01:15:37,500 --> 01:15:43,840
i'm just i'm just going to be putting out loads and loads of records um i've got a little trick

1285
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:51,320
up a sleeve for that a little bit of a um just yeah i just i just want to get i just want to get

1286
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:58,580
really really consistent in releasing so i think it's more a case of um of

1287
01:15:58,580 --> 01:16:01,040
just pushing it out there

1288
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:02,300
as much as I can

1289
01:16:02,300 --> 01:16:02,960
and

1290
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:04,340
you know

1291
01:16:04,340 --> 01:16:06,460
saying how I feel about it

1292
01:16:06,460 --> 01:16:07,800
I think it's that simple

1293
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:09,380
I think the songs are pretty evident

1294
01:16:09,380 --> 01:16:10,040
that they

1295
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:10,600
you know

1296
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:11,000
they talk

1297
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:12,140
they talk for themselves

1298
01:16:12,140 --> 01:16:13,660
I always think it's

1299
01:16:13,660 --> 01:16:14,340
it's pretty bad

1300
01:16:14,340 --> 01:16:15,740
when you have to talk a song up

1301
01:16:15,740 --> 01:16:18,020
so

1302
01:16:18,020 --> 01:16:19,560
that's what it's looking for

1303
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:19,940
for me

1304
01:16:19,940 --> 01:16:20,540
for next year

1305
01:16:20,540 --> 01:16:21,460
literally from about

1306
01:16:21,460 --> 01:16:22,700
I'd say from June onwards

1307
01:16:22,700 --> 01:16:24,520
there's going to be

1308
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:25,460
a hell of a lot of music

1309
01:16:25,460 --> 01:16:26,180
and

1310
01:16:26,180 --> 01:16:28,180
hopefully loads and loads

1311
01:16:28,180 --> 01:16:33,180
touring as well because you know we've got some you know i know obviously i don't know how much i

1312
01:16:33,180 --> 01:16:38,980
could say but with what we've got coming up abroad and uh some of the things that are coming up but

1313
01:16:38,980 --> 01:16:47,800
you know it's an incredibly exciting time for for for us to be doing this um and it's just that it's

1314
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:54,540
just a brilliant platform i think just to just to uh iron out the creases of of how it should really

1315
01:16:54,540 --> 01:17:02,040
be that's how i look at it so obviously with um publishing your music into the value verse you're

1316
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:08,300
obviously picking up new fans from different parts of the planet which you know if you was to rely on

1317
01:17:08,300 --> 01:17:13,400
spotify for example you know they would never have never have heard you in a million years do you know

1318
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:23,960
what i mean so talk to an artist a musician out there that's listening to this um that's completely

1319
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:29,600
like wet around the ears doesn't really know how much this can affect like would you recommend

1320
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:37,100
a new artist with their first ep to just self-publish yeah i'm saying it takes it takes so

1321
01:17:37,100 --> 01:17:44,640
long on on all the um all the mainstream um platforms it takes so long for you know when i

1322
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:50,940
say so long all right 14 days i think the most it can take on it by the time by the time they're

1323
01:17:50,940 --> 01:17:53,020
trying to distribute it out to all the streaming platforms,

1324
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:54,600
all of that palaver.

1325
01:17:55,100 --> 01:17:55,860
Like with,

1326
01:17:55,860 --> 01:17:56,280
with,

1327
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:57,660
with V2B,

1328
01:17:57,740 --> 01:18:00,920
you're literally uploading and it's like,

1329
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:01,740
we're doing the same,

1330
01:18:01,860 --> 01:18:02,680
we're doing the same tonight.

1331
01:18:02,820 --> 01:18:02,940
Wait,

1332
01:18:03,180 --> 01:18:04,800
me and you are literally just going to get you and bang,

1333
01:18:04,900 --> 01:18:05,660
bang it straight up.

1334
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:07,980
It will be up in five minutes and you put it up.

1335
01:18:08,460 --> 01:18:08,820
Like,

1336
01:18:09,440 --> 01:18:10,840
surely that's the way to do it.

1337
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:11,140
It's like,

1338
01:18:11,140 --> 01:18:12,800
surely that's the easiest and the most,

1339
01:18:13,060 --> 01:18:13,480
just,

1340
01:18:13,660 --> 01:18:14,120
just,

1341
01:18:14,300 --> 01:18:15,200
there's no,

1342
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:15,620
there's no,

1343
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:16,720
there's no bollocks involved.

1344
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:17,900
And that's what I think is,

1345
01:18:17,900 --> 01:18:19,320
is the best part about it all.

1346
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:20,300
there's no one

1347
01:18:20,300 --> 01:18:21,140
getting in the way of it

1348
01:18:21,140 --> 01:18:21,940
it's like

1349
01:18:21,940 --> 01:18:22,740
it's pure

1350
01:18:22,740 --> 01:18:23,400
it's raw

1351
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,000
and it's just

1352
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:26,680
such an easy way

1353
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:27,160
to do it

1354
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:27,960
so yeah

1355
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:28,800
any artist

1356
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:29,940
any band

1357
01:18:29,940 --> 01:18:30,880
absolutely anyone

1358
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:32,540
your first EP

1359
01:18:32,540 --> 01:18:33,200
or single

1360
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:34,140
or you know

1361
01:18:34,140 --> 01:18:34,720
who cares

1362
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:36,040
500th

1363
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:37,480
500th EP

1364
01:18:37,480 --> 01:18:38,920
just bum it out there

1365
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:40,180
don't be too precious

1366
01:18:40,180 --> 01:18:41,020
get it out there

1367
01:18:41,020 --> 01:18:41,840
and you'll be

1368
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:42,140
you know

1369
01:18:42,140 --> 01:18:42,940
you'll be ready to go

1370
01:18:42,940 --> 01:18:44,420
and if people like it

1371
01:18:44,420 --> 01:18:45,020
they'll

1372
01:18:45,020 --> 01:18:46,720
they'll support it

1373
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:48,060
it's like anything

1374
01:18:48,060 --> 01:18:48,420
isn't it

1375
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:51,420
100%

1376
01:18:51,420 --> 01:18:52,660
I mean we've got

1377
01:18:52,660 --> 01:18:55,380
Tottenham are still shy

1378
01:18:55,380 --> 01:18:57,060
yeah I'm still supporting them

1379
01:18:57,060 --> 01:18:59,660
so there's not a lot

1380
01:18:59,660 --> 01:19:00,680
I can say about that

1381
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:03,440
but the good thing is that with music it's incredibly

1382
01:19:03,440 --> 01:19:05,240
subjective and you know

1383
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,340
if you like it you're always going to

1384
01:19:07,340 --> 01:19:09,560
love it I think it's I really do

1385
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:11,660
think it's that simple and I just think like I said

1386
01:19:11,660 --> 01:19:13,360
it takes so long for

1387
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,280
you to get on those

1388
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,640
platforms it just takes too

1389
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:24,260
the time it takes for you to upload it, you know, it's got to then be certified.

1390
01:19:25,020 --> 01:19:26,340
Someone's got to give it a yes.

1391
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:27,860
What is that about?

1392
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:29,800
Just put it out there.

1393
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:30,840
Just get it out there and go.

1394
01:19:33,060 --> 01:19:33,420
100%.

1395
01:19:33,420 --> 01:19:36,140
Yeah, I mean, we did it the other day, didn't we, with Healing Hand.

1396
01:19:36,260 --> 01:19:38,480
You was like, oh, can you get this out for 8 o'clock?

1397
01:19:38,540 --> 01:19:42,080
And I think I pressed publish at 7.57.

1398
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:44,220
I'm like, we've just got to wait a couple of minutes.

1399
01:19:44,220 --> 01:19:49,560
And then like literally within three minutes, it was there on Fountain and I sent you the link to it, didn't I?

1400
01:19:49,660 --> 01:19:50,240
Do you know what I mean?

1401
01:19:50,540 --> 01:19:54,880
So that's the one thing that most normies don't understand.

1402
01:19:55,020 --> 01:20:03,500
They think, you know, once you've got your distributor, once you've got your song and you've got your distributor, which, you know, you have to pay a distributor, right?

1403
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:05,080
That's how the legacy system works.

1404
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:06,780
You have to pay them an annual fee.

1405
01:20:06,780 --> 01:20:09,440
and sometimes over the course of the year,

1406
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:11,680
the amount of money you actually get back from Spotify,

1407
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:15,920
YouTube barely covers the fee of the distributor.

1408
01:20:16,780 --> 01:20:16,920
Yeah.

1409
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:20,220
It is ridiculous.

1410
01:20:20,220 --> 01:20:23,700
You know, like, of course, I don't want to,

1411
01:20:23,900 --> 01:20:26,620
no one wants to bore everyone about numbers and all that,

1412
01:20:26,700 --> 01:20:30,160
but the numbers are, they, you know, they're 20x.

1413
01:20:30,380 --> 01:20:31,860
It's ridiculous.

1414
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:35,500
On this kind of thing, it's like, I just find it madness,

1415
01:20:35,500 --> 01:20:36,520
this but you know

1416
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:37,080
that's the whole

1417
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:37,760
point of being here

1418
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:38,320
isn't it and

1419
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:39,080
obviously getting

1420
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:39,520
out there and

1421
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:40,960
speaking to bands

1422
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:41,740
and artists to

1423
01:20:41,740 --> 01:20:42,860
tell them what

1424
01:20:42,860 --> 01:20:43,200
we're doing

1425
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:44,960
because I

1426
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:46,000
honestly can't

1427
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:46,460
see it going

1428
01:20:46,460 --> 01:20:47,080
any other way

1429
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:48,360
and it will be

1430
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:49,120
so interesting to

1431
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:50,320
see what how

1432
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:51,680
labels do this

1433
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:52,460
when labels get

1434
01:20:52,460 --> 01:20:53,140
hold of all this

1435
01:20:53,140 --> 01:20:53,660
and see where

1436
01:20:53,660 --> 01:20:54,380
they take it all

1437
01:20:54,380 --> 01:20:56,080
but I feel

1438
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:56,820
incredibly honoured

1439
01:20:56,820 --> 01:20:58,400
and lucky to be

1440
01:20:58,400 --> 01:20:58,960
in a situation

1441
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:00,660
where I feel

1442
01:21:00,660 --> 01:21:01,200
like I've just

1443
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:02,600
got a huge

1444
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:03,360
canvas so I

1445
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:04,720
can go and

1446
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:05,220
let loose on

1447
01:21:05,220 --> 01:21:12,640
yeah fantastic so what do you think about some of the controversies that spotify have been involved

1448
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:20,060
in i mean i was talking to 2140 music the other day you know our mutual friend nat shout out nat

1449
01:21:20,060 --> 01:21:28,060
if you're listening um and he was obviously he's he's very um adept and he keeps his finger to the

1450
01:21:28,060 --> 01:21:35,260
pulse and all that and he he was sharing a story with me about spotify how drake um drake has

1451
01:21:35,260 --> 01:21:43,460
essentially had his numbers inflated so much so that essentially it means that they're basically

1452
01:21:43,460 --> 01:21:50,100
posting fake numbers for drake so that drake is going to get more streaming money and hence he's

1453
01:21:50,100 --> 01:21:56,040
essentially that streaming money is being given to drake rather than given to all of the other

1454
01:21:56,040 --> 01:22:01,680
artists you know every single other artist what do you feel about these kind of things that spotty

1455
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:10,200
fire involved in uh they're gatekeepers so you're either you either you know you're getting with

1456
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:17,100
them and you and you nod your head politely or you or you don't um that it's just none of the

1457
01:22:17,100 --> 01:22:24,060
stories ever surprised me and i just think he's going to keep on going until it um kind of implodes

1458
01:22:24,060 --> 01:22:25,540
because that's all it can do.

1459
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,240
How is that good for anyone else?

1460
01:22:28,940 --> 01:22:30,840
You know, what is that even about?

1461
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:33,620
Like, I don't know.

1462
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:35,400
Again, it's the 1%.

1463
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:39,200
And that's where I suppose everyone's trying to,

1464
01:22:39,980 --> 01:22:42,080
I don't know, I always get this sense that that's what,

1465
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:45,160
you know, of course you want to try and be as big as you can be.

1466
01:22:45,620 --> 01:22:47,620
But I think it's for the public to always decide

1467
01:22:47,620 --> 01:22:51,000
if the souls are brilliant and they catch a moment

1468
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:52,640
and they relate to you,

1469
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:58,820
and that's what it should be about but I think you tend to try to you know inflate your numbers

1470
01:22:58,820 --> 01:23:05,740
just so it's just I just find it it's madness me like I said it's a toy shop for kids really is

1471
01:23:05,740 --> 01:23:14,180
yeah once again it's the fiat legacy system being able to be manipulated by the 0.1% so basically

1472
01:23:14,180 --> 01:23:26,036
how I understand it is normally when a new artist or any artist will release a song the numbers will go up steadily over the first few days first week or so

1473
01:23:26,156 --> 01:23:29,996
But then obviously after, say, a week or so, the numbers will start tailing off

1474
01:23:29,996 --> 01:23:33,176
as people have listened to it and there'll be new music coming out.

1475
01:23:34,416 --> 01:23:41,816
Whereas Drake's songs, he releases them and literally the numbers just carry on going up and right forever.

1476
01:23:41,816 --> 01:23:48,816
so basically what that means in a streaming platforms royalty is that because they're

1477
01:23:48,816 --> 01:23:54,636
inflating his numbers he's essentially taking money out of the pockets of every other artist

1478
01:23:54,636 --> 01:24:02,116
that's on that platform so that is essentially why it's so egregious which is hopefully as people

1479
01:24:02,116 --> 01:24:08,816
learn about these little stories you know these um these manipulators are up to you know this is

1480
01:24:08,816 --> 01:24:15,776
why this system over here where I'm sending a direct boost straight to the artist with a message

1481
01:24:15,776 --> 01:24:23,996
and I know 100% that that money is going directly to the artist and it's not being siphoned off

1482
01:24:23,996 --> 01:24:29,916
anywhere else to be paying people that basically don't deserve it. That is where value for value

1483
01:24:29,916 --> 01:24:37,076
comes from. I'm providing value by giving you a song. Give me some of your value so I can keep

1484
01:24:37,076 --> 01:24:38,336
giving you more songs.

1485
01:24:38,496 --> 01:24:38,976
Do you know what I mean?

1486
01:24:39,036 --> 01:24:40,636
It's a beautiful thing.

1487
01:24:41,096 --> 01:24:41,256
Yeah.

1488
01:24:41,556 --> 01:24:43,056
And so it's just so easy.

1489
01:24:43,776 --> 01:24:45,416
I think because it's so easy

1490
01:24:45,416 --> 01:24:46,976
and because obviously, you know,

1491
01:24:47,016 --> 01:24:48,376
it's something new and fresh.

1492
01:24:49,296 --> 01:24:50,256
People just don't believe, you know,

1493
01:24:50,276 --> 01:24:51,996
artists and bands are scared of it

1494
01:24:51,996 --> 01:24:53,336
and they're just not going to it.

1495
01:24:53,856 --> 01:24:55,316
I was lucky enough to have, you know,

1496
01:24:55,336 --> 01:24:57,156
someone like you to talk me through it.

1497
01:24:57,696 --> 01:25:01,316
And to be fair, even when you talk me through it,

1498
01:25:01,376 --> 01:25:02,676
I've still got to get the logic of it.

1499
01:25:02,996 --> 01:25:05,296
And the logic for me is, like you've just said,

1500
01:25:05,756 --> 01:25:06,796
it's value for value.

1501
01:25:06,796 --> 01:25:09,496
I just don't understand how you can't.

1502
01:25:09,636 --> 01:25:14,416
If you don't get that, I don't understand what other way it can be explained to you.

1503
01:25:16,416 --> 01:25:17,016
Sure.

1504
01:25:17,216 --> 01:25:21,216
Right, let's go on to your fifth choice of song.

1505
01:25:21,976 --> 01:25:24,996
This one is Pent Houses and Pavement.

1506
01:25:24,996 --> 01:25:30,856
Now, I'm going to play the live version from our Fickle Pickle gig,

1507
01:25:31,576 --> 01:25:36,156
which, as you know, Longy, was the first ever Bitcoin-powered gig in the UK.

1508
01:25:36,156 --> 01:25:38,056
took place last May.

1509
01:25:38,676 --> 01:25:41,856
We got a full video as well as the whole live album.

1510
01:25:42,616 --> 01:25:46,156
You might want to give a shout out to Joe Martin and Nathan Abbott

1511
01:25:46,156 --> 01:25:49,036
who were also performing on that set that night.

1512
01:25:49,136 --> 01:25:51,636
But is there anything you want to say about this song,

1513
01:25:51,736 --> 01:25:52,996
Penthouses and Pavements?

1514
01:25:53,516 --> 01:25:55,216
What was the headspace you was in?

1515
01:25:55,316 --> 01:25:56,036
Who's it about?

1516
01:25:56,036 --> 01:26:00,836
And is there any other beautiful blonde Australians that feature in it?

1517
01:26:01,396 --> 01:26:05,116
There's not, but there's the greatest female artist, I think,

1518
01:26:05,116 --> 01:26:06,036
of all time

1519
01:26:06,036 --> 01:26:06,656
it's about

1520
01:26:06,656 --> 01:26:07,436
the chorus is about

1521
01:26:07,436 --> 01:26:08,116
anyone else

1522
01:26:08,116 --> 01:26:08,636
and

1523
01:26:08,636 --> 01:26:10,276
I was in LA

1524
01:26:10,276 --> 01:26:11,276
just doing some writing

1525
01:26:11,276 --> 01:26:11,776
for someone

1526
01:26:11,776 --> 01:26:12,636
over in LA

1527
01:26:12,636 --> 01:26:13,176
at the time

1528
01:26:13,176 --> 01:26:13,716
and

1529
01:26:13,716 --> 01:26:15,536
we were walking down

1530
01:26:15,536 --> 01:26:16,396
Homewood Boulevard

1531
01:26:16,396 --> 01:26:16,956
and

1532
01:26:16,956 --> 01:26:18,056
obviously

1533
01:26:18,056 --> 01:26:18,996
Scientology

1534
01:26:18,996 --> 01:26:20,396
is a

1535
01:26:20,396 --> 01:26:21,396
is a real thing

1536
01:26:21,396 --> 01:26:22,196
in

1537
01:26:22,196 --> 01:26:23,296
that strip

1538
01:26:23,296 --> 01:26:23,996
and

1539
01:26:23,996 --> 01:26:25,456
we got bombarded

1540
01:26:25,456 --> 01:26:26,036
into this

1541
01:26:26,036 --> 01:26:27,016
hilarious

1542
01:26:27,016 --> 01:26:28,716
cinema

1543
01:26:28,716 --> 01:26:29,416
cinema

1544
01:26:29,416 --> 01:26:31,836
and they wanted to see

1545
01:26:31,836 --> 01:26:32,816
if we wanted to become

1546
01:26:32,816 --> 01:26:33,576
Scientologists

1547
01:26:33,576 --> 01:26:34,116
or sorry

1548
01:26:34,116 --> 01:26:34,576
me my mate

1549
01:26:34,576 --> 01:26:35,096
wanted to see

1550
01:26:35,096 --> 01:26:35,876
we wanted to

1551
01:26:35,876 --> 01:26:36,356
we wanted to

1552
01:26:36,356 --> 01:26:37,016
we wanted to

1553
01:26:37,016 --> 01:26:37,736
we wanted to see

1554
01:26:37,736 --> 01:26:38,396
what it was all about

1555
01:26:38,396 --> 01:26:39,236
so we walked in there

1556
01:26:39,236 --> 01:26:39,616
and then

1557
01:26:39,616 --> 01:26:40,656
and then

1558
01:26:40,656 --> 01:26:41,156
I don't know

1559
01:26:41,156 --> 01:26:42,256
I can't remember what happened

1560
01:26:42,256 --> 01:26:42,796
obviously we went out

1561
01:26:42,796 --> 01:26:43,316
a couple of beers

1562
01:26:43,316 --> 01:26:44,776
and then my mate said

1563
01:26:44,776 --> 01:26:47,716
it's literally

1564
01:26:47,716 --> 01:26:49,216
from the penthouses

1565
01:26:49,216 --> 01:26:49,956
to the pavements

1566
01:26:49,956 --> 01:26:50,496
because of

1567
01:26:50,496 --> 01:26:51,556
I was waiting for someone

1568
01:26:51,556 --> 01:26:52,576
that had a penthouse

1569
01:26:52,576 --> 01:26:53,056
at the time

1570
01:26:53,056 --> 01:26:53,596
and

1571
01:26:53,596 --> 01:26:54,916
he was

1572
01:26:54,916 --> 01:26:55,576
he's a

1573
01:26:55,576 --> 01:26:56,036
he's

1574
01:26:56,036 --> 01:26:57,356
I think he's a crazy wolf

1575
01:26:57,356 --> 01:26:58,616
but that story

1576
01:26:58,616 --> 01:26:59,516
is for another time

1577
01:26:59,516 --> 01:27:01,576
so did you actually

1578
01:27:01,576 --> 01:27:02,856
meet Ron Hubbard?

1579
01:27:04,576 --> 01:27:06,036
thankfully no

1580
01:27:06,036 --> 01:27:07,376
Tom Cruise

1581
01:27:07,376 --> 01:27:08,296
any of them

1582
01:27:08,296 --> 01:27:08,676
Tom was there

1583
01:27:08,676 --> 01:27:09,396
Tom was there

1584
01:27:09,396 --> 01:27:10,096
we had a few beers

1585
01:27:10,096 --> 01:27:10,776
with Tom after

1586
01:27:10,776 --> 01:27:12,796
no not at all

1587
01:27:12,796 --> 01:27:15,256
but I just love that

1588
01:27:15,256 --> 01:27:16,116
I just love how

1589
01:27:16,116 --> 01:27:17,076
wacky and mad

1590
01:27:17,076 --> 01:27:18,776
LA's crazy

1591
01:27:18,776 --> 01:27:19,556
it's a crazy

1592
01:27:19,556 --> 01:27:19,856
crazy

1593
01:27:19,856 --> 01:27:20,236
that was

1594
01:27:20,236 --> 01:27:24,096
right well this is

1595
01:27:24,096 --> 01:27:25,416
Penthouses and Pavements

1596
01:27:25,416 --> 01:27:26,136
by Long E

1597
01:27:26,136 --> 01:27:27,316
live from the

1598
01:27:27,316 --> 01:27:27,996
Fickle Pickle

1599
01:27:34,576 --> 01:27:57,136
I cannot say it's been the best of times

1600
01:27:57,136 --> 01:28:01,656
Trying to hold on my hand whilst looking for the signs

1601
01:28:01,656 --> 01:28:03,876
I'll save you from this darkness

1602
01:28:03,876 --> 01:28:05,836
Your self-destruction body

1603
01:28:05,836 --> 01:28:09,896
Seems it just don't work no more

1604
01:28:09,896 --> 01:28:12,056
I've been psychosomatic

1605
01:28:12,056 --> 01:28:14,256
The comeback of a maverick

1606
01:28:14,256 --> 01:28:18,216
The reoccurring dream I had last night

1607
01:28:18,216 --> 01:28:20,276
Your self-destruction body

1608
01:28:20,276 --> 01:28:22,316
I've walked this in a station

1609
01:28:22,316 --> 01:28:26,036
Where those trains don't walk no more

1610
01:28:26,036 --> 01:28:28,596
I'll resist me

1611
01:28:28,596 --> 01:28:29,436
Don't listen

1612
01:28:29,436 --> 01:28:31,356
You already know

1613
01:28:31,356 --> 01:28:35,316
Your eyes are caged, you cannot grow

1614
01:28:35,316 --> 01:28:37,776
You have to bury those memories

1615
01:28:37,776 --> 01:28:40,716
You won't let go of now

1616
01:28:40,716 --> 01:28:48,056
Life you shine, lives on forever

1617
01:28:48,056 --> 01:28:52,236
In time you find, we'll make this together

1618
01:28:52,236 --> 01:28:55,676
In line you find, we'll back to

1619
01:28:55,676 --> 01:28:57,716
Mark or Tommy, wait a minute, I'll go there, boy

1620
01:29:01,356 --> 01:29:09,936
It's for too many times now

1621
01:29:09,936 --> 01:29:12,336
A scam now, a cardinal scene

1622
01:29:12,336 --> 01:29:14,956
It's a clockwork to the end, my friend

1623
01:29:14,956 --> 01:29:16,396
And something's dying

1624
01:29:16,396 --> 01:29:18,836
There ain't no teardrop, no pecking

1625
01:29:18,836 --> 01:29:20,576
I could not say again

1626
01:29:20,576 --> 01:29:23,576
It's a life you'd get just once

1627
01:29:23,576 --> 01:29:27,056
The cold in my till, no

1628
01:29:27,056 --> 01:29:28,556
I've got no feeling

1629
01:29:28,556 --> 01:29:30,736
It's a clock right to the end

1630
01:29:30,736 --> 01:29:38,736
Something's dying, it probably means I need to find you the more things you want

1631
01:29:40,736 --> 01:29:44,736
I've a system, don't listen, you're already home

1632
01:29:44,736 --> 01:29:48,736
Your eyes are cage, you cannot grow

1633
01:29:48,736 --> 01:29:53,736
You have to bury those memories you won't let go of now

1634
01:29:53,736 --> 01:29:55,736
Now

1635
01:29:57,736 --> 01:30:01,736
The light you shine lives on forever

1636
01:30:01,736 --> 01:30:05,736
In time you'll find we make this together

1637
01:30:05,736 --> 01:30:09,736
The light you shine lives on forever

1638
01:30:09,736 --> 01:30:13,736
In time you'll find we make this together

1639
01:30:23,736 --> 01:30:53,716
Thank you.

1640
01:30:53,736 --> 01:31:23,716
guitar solo

1641
01:31:23,736 --> 01:31:25,416
It's over, it's over

1642
01:31:25,416 --> 01:31:27,036
It's you that's given in

1643
01:31:27,036 --> 01:31:28,416
I am your soldier

1644
01:31:28,416 --> 01:31:29,616
It's blacked off

1645
01:31:29,616 --> 01:31:31,236
It's locked as shorty skin

1646
01:31:31,236 --> 01:31:34,376
When the wind is just barely starting

1647
01:31:34,376 --> 01:31:37,876
The light you shine

1648
01:31:37,876 --> 01:31:39,516
Lives on forever

1649
01:31:39,516 --> 01:31:41,716
In time you find

1650
01:31:41,716 --> 01:31:43,556
We make this together

1651
01:31:43,556 --> 01:31:45,956
The light you shine

1652
01:31:45,956 --> 01:31:47,556
Lives on forever

1653
01:31:47,556 --> 01:31:49,716
In time you find

1654
01:31:49,716 --> 01:31:51,676
We make this together

1655
01:31:53,736 --> 01:32:11,416
The light you shine lives on forever

1656
01:32:11,416 --> 01:32:15,556
In time you'll find we make this together

1657
01:32:15,556 --> 01:32:19,596
The light you shine lives on forever

1658
01:32:19,596 --> 01:32:23,696
In time you'll find we make this together

1659
01:32:23,696 --> 01:32:28,896
Make this together

1660
01:32:28,896 --> 01:32:32,956
We make this together

1661
01:32:32,956 --> 01:32:50,056
That was Penthouses and Pavements by Longy, live at the Fickle Pickle.

1662
01:32:50,056 --> 01:33:00,936
So let's take you back to May the 23rd, I believe it was, wasn't it, May, when we managed to pull off the first ever Bitcoin Powered Live show.

1663
01:33:01,156 --> 01:33:04,876
It was live streamed on NOSTA, on Zapstream.

1664
01:33:05,556 --> 01:33:08,496
It went all around the world, our friends in America.

1665
01:33:08,836 --> 01:33:16,176
We had people in Australia tuning in, Holland, South America, Venezuela even we had people tuning in from.

1666
01:33:16,176 --> 01:33:24,916
what do you remember about that whole gig um and yeah what what have you got anything

1667
01:33:24,916 --> 01:33:32,216
interesting you can tell us about that gig um i'm pretty sure that that's the first time i've ever

1668
01:33:32,216 --> 01:33:37,716
ever played that that venue and it was i'm sure it was was it club rega it was what it

1669
01:33:37,716 --> 01:33:43,616
it used to be club rega yeah um and i swear it didn't i mean i never saw it so i wouldn't know

1670
01:33:43,616 --> 01:33:45,476
but it was more like literally what it says,

1671
01:33:45,696 --> 01:33:49,636
like a bit more kind of like tables and chairs out and all that, didn't it?

1672
01:33:49,916 --> 01:33:50,516
I don't know.

1673
01:33:50,656 --> 01:33:53,816
I swear, like, I've not known a lot about that place,

1674
01:33:53,916 --> 01:33:55,176
but what a venue.

1675
01:33:55,716 --> 01:33:57,916
There's only a couple of venues, I'd say, around South Bend

1676
01:33:57,916 --> 01:33:59,456
that you fit to yourself.

1677
01:33:59,696 --> 01:34:01,156
They're good places to play.

1678
01:34:02,416 --> 01:34:04,996
And, of course, all gigs, they're brilliant to play.

1679
01:34:05,236 --> 01:34:08,416
But when you get on stage and you've got good, you know,

1680
01:34:08,456 --> 01:34:09,896
you've got good foldbacks and stuff like that,

1681
01:34:09,916 --> 01:34:10,796
and you can hear a lot.

1682
01:34:10,796 --> 01:34:19,976
so yeah it was a good it was a good gig um joe martin um he he played he was brilliant nathan's

1683
01:34:19,976 --> 01:34:25,836
always good obviously a good good friend of ours so he's always he's always brilliant um

1684
01:34:25,836 --> 01:34:29,376
i can just remember going through the smallest stamp i've ever gone through

1685
01:34:29,376 --> 01:34:36,656
it was literally just i plugged into a machine no bigger than my phone and uh joe lamb who's always

1686
01:34:36,656 --> 01:34:38,716
done sound down there

1687
01:34:38,716 --> 01:34:40,136
he just said

1688
01:34:40,136 --> 01:34:42,256
listen to how funny this amp is

1689
01:34:42,256 --> 01:34:44,716
so I learned a lot

1690
01:34:44,716 --> 01:34:45,976
that night and

1691
01:34:45,976 --> 01:34:48,316
I'm pretty sure we went to

1692
01:34:48,316 --> 01:34:50,136
a ridiculous house party

1693
01:34:50,136 --> 01:34:52,836
next to the chapel where we rehearse

1694
01:34:52,836 --> 01:34:55,756
so yeah

1695
01:34:55,756 --> 01:34:57,536
it was a good night for all

1696
01:34:57,536 --> 01:35:00,436
but in terms of the first night for what we did

1697
01:35:00,436 --> 01:35:01,436
around the world

1698
01:35:01,436 --> 01:35:04,016
I think

1699
01:35:04,016 --> 01:35:06,536
it done what you said it out to be

1700
01:35:06,536 --> 01:35:12,196
and that was make sure that it kind of just gets out to as many people as possible.

1701
01:35:12,396 --> 01:35:14,456
People still ain't doing enough of that stuff, I don't think,

1702
01:35:14,576 --> 01:35:16,456
but it will come round.

1703
01:35:16,556 --> 01:35:17,136
It will come good.

1704
01:35:19,076 --> 01:35:22,296
Yeah, this is something I hope to change this year

1705
01:35:22,296 --> 01:35:25,216
with there being so many Bitcoin conferences

1706
01:35:25,216 --> 01:35:28,536
and Bitcoin-focused events happening, not just in the UK,

1707
01:35:28,836 --> 01:35:30,476
but in Europe and the rest of the world.

1708
01:35:30,476 --> 01:35:34,776
I do hope to create more of these proper gigs

1709
01:35:34,776 --> 01:35:39,036
that are connected to the Bitcoin conferences around the country.

1710
01:35:39,036 --> 01:35:43,636
Because I think music really has the power not just to connect,

1711
01:35:43,776 --> 01:35:46,876
but it really has the power to get your juices flowing, right?

1712
01:35:47,056 --> 01:35:50,756
It's full of passion, emotion, all of these things.

1713
01:35:51,016 --> 01:35:53,236
And everyone loves a live performance.

1714
01:35:53,796 --> 01:35:57,256
You look at we've had 10 years of Bitcoin conferences,

1715
01:35:57,456 --> 01:35:59,276
and they're all largely the same.

1716
01:35:59,616 --> 01:36:03,156
They're people, macro finance guys, tech bros.

1717
01:36:03,156 --> 01:36:17,096
They're all on stage. They're talking, talking, talking, talking. Whereas, you know, connecting the live show to these Bitcoin conferences, I think will get people to, you know, discover their inner animal and let their hair down.

1718
01:36:17,316 --> 01:36:21,896
And do you know what I mean? And dance and just feel a bit more primal. Do you know what I mean?

1719
01:36:21,896 --> 01:36:27,736
So, yeah, we hope there's going to be more of those. But yeah, like you say, the Fickle Pickle, fantastic venue.

1720
01:36:27,736 --> 01:36:30,016
I mean, I learned a lot that night as well.

1721
01:36:30,936 --> 01:36:37,736
Shout out to INPC as well, who, bizarrely, I mean, because do you remember what happened?

1722
01:36:38,516 --> 01:36:46,716
So basically, we was talking to the Costellos, weren't we, about doing a big show at Dingwalls in London or Water Rats, you know, one of the big venues in London.

1723
01:36:47,176 --> 01:36:55,196
And obviously, for one reason or another, Ainsley Costello and all those guys, they couldn't get over from America to the UK.

1724
01:36:55,196 --> 01:37:21,352
You know it was just financially just impossible to do And I was kind of hoping they were going to come over because you know these were the guys that did the first show in Texas in six months before we did our show because I was really hoping just to give Jim jim the microphone uh jim could you know emcee it the her their crew their team would deal with all the live streaming aspect of it you know

1725
01:37:21,352 --> 01:37:27,552
and all the sound i was hoping to just oh well my job is simple i just got to get longy in the room

1726
01:37:27,552 --> 01:37:33,632
which is you know no mean feat but for example just getting longy actually in the room where we

1727
01:37:33,632 --> 01:37:40,652
needs to be at the right time uh that's um harder work than it looks but no for me um when they

1728
01:37:40,652 --> 01:37:43,852
turned around and said oh you know we're not going to be able to come it was like

1729
01:37:43,852 --> 01:37:50,452
fuck do you know what i mean i was a bit like well i've told people we're going to do it now

1730
01:37:50,452 --> 01:37:56,632
so i'm going to have to like figure all this out i then put a shout out on nostra basically saying

1731
01:37:56,632 --> 01:38:01,992
has anybody got any kind of live streaming experience we want to put on the first gig

1732
01:38:01,992 --> 01:38:04,552
and there was a INPC.

1733
01:38:05,072 --> 01:38:12,272
He miraculously saw my note on Nostra and he says, well, yeah, I'm in Kent.

1734
01:38:12,472 --> 01:38:15,692
I'll come down and maybe we can figure it out.

1735
01:38:15,912 --> 01:38:18,332
And basically we just figured it out.

1736
01:38:18,332 --> 01:38:22,912
And from a technological standpoint, Longy, it worked beautifully.

1737
01:38:23,112 --> 01:38:25,312
We was having messages coming through all night.

1738
01:38:25,452 --> 01:38:29,452
It live streamed on Fountain as well because we had Oscar Mary

1739
01:38:29,452 --> 01:38:31,592
from Fountain there as well, didn't we?

1740
01:38:31,592 --> 01:38:39,472
them and Azteco they donated um you know a couple of hundred vouchers with five pound of bitcoin on

1741
01:38:39,472 --> 01:38:44,332
so everyone that turned up they could basically get fountain on their phone and load it with some

1742
01:38:44,332 --> 01:38:49,552
bitcoin so they could support the artist but we had all the american our american brothers and

1743
01:38:49,552 --> 01:38:54,772
sisters like heather boo berry chad f all of them got they all turned up in the live chat

1744
01:38:54,772 --> 01:39:04,372
and yeah we managed to turn one night into essentially three revenue streams didn't we

1745
01:39:04,372 --> 01:39:09,892
because we had the the bitcoin that was earned on the night that obviously went to all the performers

1746
01:39:09,892 --> 01:39:16,612
we had the ticket money on the door which barely covered the venue to be honest the ticket money

1747
01:39:16,612 --> 01:39:22,972
on the door covered the venue but not only that we managed to then create a live album from it

1748
01:39:22,972 --> 01:39:26,052
which we then uploaded, which still to this day,

1749
01:39:26,332 --> 01:39:28,752
all the crew that was involved and the artists,

1750
01:39:28,952 --> 01:39:32,852
including the photographer, the sound guy, the tech boys,

1751
01:39:33,652 --> 01:39:37,612
are still getting paid to this day.

1752
01:39:37,872 --> 01:39:42,312
So essentially we're putting on – this is why I love this technology

1753
01:39:42,312 --> 01:39:46,852
because we have the power using NOSTA, using Bitcoin,

1754
01:39:46,852 --> 01:39:52,652
to not only save music venues but actually make them thrive.

1755
01:39:52,652 --> 01:39:59,032
Do you know what I mean? Just like a musician on a Bitcoin standard, a venue can be on a Bitcoin standard too.

1756
01:39:59,532 --> 01:40:15,112
Using Bitcoin that they make through these shows as a buffer, as insulation from the legacy system that's constantly adding more rules and regulations to their operating costs every single month.

1757
01:40:15,112 --> 01:40:22,392
Do you know what I mean? So I was really pleased that we did it. And the fact that it was the first one obviously made it historic.

1758
01:40:22,652 --> 01:40:24,992
but the fact it went so successful,

1759
01:40:25,732 --> 01:40:29,172
it led on to us going to perform, didn't it,

1760
01:40:29,192 --> 01:40:34,672
at Factory last year as part of the Bitfest conference in Manchester.

1761
01:40:35,212 --> 01:40:36,812
Tell us a bit about that, Longy.

1762
01:40:36,872 --> 01:40:37,872
How was that for you?

1763
01:40:38,372 --> 01:40:39,152
Brilliant night.

1764
01:40:40,732 --> 01:40:41,672
Different genres.

1765
01:40:42,852 --> 01:40:48,012
I think we were probably getting mildly too drunk on the Saturday afternoon,

1766
01:40:48,012 --> 01:40:50,672
but we had been probably drinking for the last 24 hours.

1767
01:40:51,412 --> 01:40:52,472
But it's Manchester.

1768
01:40:52,652 --> 01:40:53,592
and it should be that way

1769
01:40:53,592 --> 01:40:53,932
and

1770
01:40:53,932 --> 01:40:55,332
unfortunately

1771
01:40:55,332 --> 01:40:57,092
Manny Boy

1772
01:40:57,092 --> 01:40:58,032
out of Stone Rose

1773
01:40:58,032 --> 01:40:58,692
has just passed

1774
01:40:58,692 --> 01:40:59,172
so it was

1775
01:40:59,172 --> 01:40:59,772
I think it was

1776
01:40:59,772 --> 01:41:00,212
literally

1777
01:41:00,212 --> 01:41:01,752
the day after that

1778
01:41:01,752 --> 01:41:02,692
I think it was

1779
01:41:02,692 --> 01:41:03,752
he died on the Friday

1780
01:41:03,752 --> 01:41:04,112
didn't he

1781
01:41:04,112 --> 01:41:04,472
and then we

1782
01:41:04,472 --> 01:41:05,452
we played on the Saturday

1783
01:41:05,452 --> 01:41:05,832
so

1784
01:41:05,832 --> 01:41:07,552
just a

1785
01:41:07,552 --> 01:41:08,232
just a great

1786
01:41:08,232 --> 01:41:08,892
I miss Manchester

1787
01:41:08,892 --> 01:41:09,532
so it's just

1788
01:41:09,532 --> 01:41:09,852
you know

1789
01:41:09,852 --> 01:41:10,732
they're always up for

1790
01:41:10,732 --> 01:41:11,572
a good night

1791
01:41:11,572 --> 01:41:12,112
and

1792
01:41:12,112 --> 01:41:13,052
they're always looking

1793
01:41:13,052 --> 01:41:14,032
to find something

1794
01:41:14,032 --> 01:41:14,992
you know new

1795
01:41:14,992 --> 01:41:16,092
the fact it was in factory

1796
01:41:16,092 --> 01:41:17,272
even better

1797
01:41:17,272 --> 01:41:18,092
what a venue

1798
01:41:18,092 --> 01:41:20,432
good people

1799
01:41:20,432 --> 01:41:21,252
solid people

1800
01:41:21,252 --> 01:41:26,332
a lot of good people you were hosting that night which i thought you'd done a superb job considering

1801
01:41:26,332 --> 01:41:31,872
that i was running up and down the streets of manchester trying to find my guitar effects um

1802
01:41:31,872 --> 01:41:37,112
so apart from that it was yeah it was good it was very very good and then

1803
01:41:37,112 --> 01:41:42,992
and then it's just the only yeah i mean obviously it's always running in manchester but that was

1804
01:41:42,992 --> 01:41:47,972
that was that was probably my only my only soreness about it but yeah apart from that

1805
01:41:47,972 --> 01:41:51,992
Yeah, it was a unique occasion.

1806
01:41:52,272 --> 01:41:55,092
I've got to shout out to Nat and Nind, Nathan Day,

1807
01:41:55,152 --> 01:41:56,752
all the organisers of BitFest.

1808
01:41:56,752 --> 01:42:01,292
They put on a fantastic show during the day conference.

1809
01:42:01,772 --> 01:42:05,532
And like I say, the after party itself had the desired effect

1810
01:42:05,532 --> 01:42:08,712
of people getting out, letting their hair down,

1811
01:42:09,472 --> 01:42:12,612
watching great music, just experiencing it all.

1812
01:42:13,212 --> 01:42:17,192
And some people say that Liverpool is the capital of culture

1813
01:42:17,192 --> 01:42:18,952
and music in this country.

1814
01:42:19,032 --> 01:42:19,532
I disagree.

1815
01:42:19,692 --> 01:42:20,652
I think it's Manchester.

1816
01:42:21,172 --> 01:42:24,532
When you look at the calibre of the bands that have come out of Manchester,

1817
01:42:24,872 --> 01:42:30,652
all the way from Joy Division to Happy Mondays to Doves to Oasis,

1818
01:42:31,492 --> 01:42:32,232
do you know what I mean?

1819
01:42:32,232 --> 01:42:36,072
It's like the scene in Manchester is so, so strong.

1820
01:42:36,192 --> 01:42:41,272
The Stone Roses, just incredible, incredible bands came out of Manchester.

1821
01:42:41,272 --> 01:42:47,812
and I made a point on the night to say that, you know, obviously R.I.P. Manny,

1822
01:42:48,452 --> 01:42:52,512
but this show is really dedicated to someone called Tony Wilson.

1823
01:42:52,512 --> 01:42:55,772
And if you don't know who Tony Wilson is, he was somebody that was,

1824
01:42:56,072 --> 01:42:57,792
he was quite a fiat normie.

1825
01:42:57,912 --> 01:43:01,832
He was somebody that would promote local music and Manchester music.

1826
01:43:01,932 --> 01:43:03,872
He was a TV presenter and journalist,

1827
01:43:04,112 --> 01:43:08,532
but he really was the driving force behind that Manchester scene

1828
01:43:08,532 --> 01:43:10,632
and getting these bands out there.

1829
01:43:10,632 --> 01:43:14,972
and not to mention the Sex Pistols, even though they were from London,

1830
01:43:15,872 --> 01:43:20,472
they played that ultimate gig, didn't they, in Manchester?

1831
01:43:20,692 --> 01:43:23,032
They were kind of really discovered in Manchester

1832
01:43:23,032 --> 01:43:27,912
and the Sex Pistols inspired all these bands to come out of Manchester

1833
01:43:27,912 --> 01:43:28,532
at the time.

1834
01:43:28,692 --> 01:43:31,172
So, yeah, Manchester was a beautiful, beautiful thing.

1835
01:43:31,772 --> 01:43:34,892
Bitfest, I believe, is going to go on again this year.

1836
01:43:34,892 --> 01:43:36,852
So, who knows?

1837
01:43:37,112 --> 01:43:39,492
Factory Part 2 could happen.

1838
01:43:40,452 --> 01:43:40,772
Beautiful.

1839
01:43:41,412 --> 01:43:42,332
Let's make it happen.

1840
01:43:43,692 --> 01:43:44,492
Indeed, indeed.

1841
01:43:44,612 --> 01:43:46,272
Right, let's go on to the last song.

1842
01:43:46,372 --> 01:43:48,372
Right, you've had your five songs, Longy.

1843
01:43:48,372 --> 01:43:54,012
So this is my song of yours that I've chosen to bring to the party.

1844
01:43:55,752 --> 01:43:58,112
First of all, we're going to play the song,

1845
01:43:58,592 --> 01:44:01,172
and then I'm going to tell you a little story

1846
01:44:01,172 --> 01:44:03,952
about why I've chosen this song after the song.

1847
01:44:04,152 --> 01:44:07,872
So The Underclass, can you elaborate?

1848
01:44:07,872 --> 01:44:11,672
Tell us where you was, what you was thinking when you wrote it,

1849
01:44:11,712 --> 01:44:12,852
and why did you write it?

1850
01:44:12,892 --> 01:44:13,412
What's it about?

1851
01:44:15,712 --> 01:44:17,212
When was I about that tune?

1852
01:44:18,872 --> 01:44:19,392
When was I?

1853
01:44:19,452 --> 01:44:20,272
You put me on the spot.

1854
01:44:20,432 --> 01:44:28,212
But, yeah, I think it's, mate, it's, you know, it's a diehard, you know,

1855
01:44:28,272 --> 01:44:33,912
call to arms, get out there, and you've just got to, it'll turn around.

1856
01:44:33,912 --> 01:44:37,352
As long as you stay in there, it will turn around 100%.

1857
01:44:37,352 --> 01:44:39,972
It might hurt, but it will definitely turn around.

1858
01:44:40,292 --> 01:44:45,832
So that for me is what it's about, you know, fundamentally.

1859
01:44:46,472 --> 01:44:48,972
And I just love the first line.

1860
01:44:49,412 --> 01:44:52,272
It's my favourite line to sing a song.

1861
01:44:52,552 --> 01:44:53,632
So, yeah, love it.

1862
01:44:53,752 --> 01:44:54,432
Love that you chose it.

1863
01:44:55,292 --> 01:44:55,672
Thank you.

1864
01:44:55,672 --> 01:44:58,712
Well, this is The Underclass by Longy.

1865
01:45:07,352 --> 01:45:11,512
I can't believe that you believe these fucking fake hearts

1866
01:45:11,512 --> 01:45:15,012
Time to stir me up and cook these very headaches

1867
01:45:15,012 --> 01:45:19,132
What goes around will come around in time, believe me

1868
01:45:19,132 --> 01:45:22,652
They say you play to live your day and live it well

1869
01:45:22,652 --> 01:45:27,292
They've got you tripping cause you're part of the underclass

1870
01:45:27,292 --> 01:45:32,352
They've got you tripping

1871
01:45:32,352 --> 01:45:36,792
Like I know in time

1872
01:45:36,792 --> 01:45:38,792
I'm making it right

1873
01:45:38,792 --> 01:45:41,532
And these cracks are healing

1874
01:45:41,532 --> 01:45:44,432
Life, I know in time

1875
01:45:44,432 --> 01:45:46,352
I'm making it right

1876
01:45:46,352 --> 01:45:49,152
And these cracks are healing

1877
01:45:49,152 --> 01:45:57,032
You choose to lose, it's up to you to turn it round

1878
01:45:57,032 --> 01:46:00,992
Think you could win your boy or play the same one sound

1879
01:46:00,992 --> 01:46:04,472
Flash is the punch, she hits the bed and now you're naked

1880
01:46:04,472 --> 01:46:08,452
Time that you took to rewrite the book that you waited

1881
01:46:08,452 --> 01:46:13,072
They've got me tripping cause you're part beyond the glass

1882
01:46:13,072 --> 01:46:18,072
They've got me tripping

1883
01:46:18,072 --> 01:46:22,592
Love, I know it's hard

1884
01:46:22,592 --> 01:46:24,492
I'm making it right

1885
01:46:24,492 --> 01:46:27,192
Oh, these cracks are here

1886
01:46:27,192 --> 01:46:30,212
Love, I know it's hard

1887
01:46:30,212 --> 01:46:32,092
I'm making it right

1888
01:46:32,092 --> 01:46:36,172
And these crabs are boundaries

1889
01:46:36,172 --> 01:47:00,792
Yes, yes I want it

1890
01:47:00,792 --> 01:47:03,352
Yes, I feel it rising

1891
01:47:03,352 --> 01:47:05,752
Inside of me

1892
01:47:05,752 --> 01:47:08,272
Keep, keep on moving

1893
01:47:08,272 --> 01:47:14,112
Just keep your head above those troubled waters in life

1894
01:47:14,112 --> 01:47:17,732
Yes, it's on and yes, it's not

1895
01:47:17,732 --> 01:47:21,672
Just keep moving in life

1896
01:47:21,672 --> 01:47:23,452
Yes, it's on

1897
01:47:23,452 --> 01:47:29,312
Keep your head above those troubled waters in life

1898
01:47:29,312 --> 01:47:31,072
I'm ready to die

1899
01:47:31,072 --> 01:47:33,072
I'm making it right

1900
01:47:33,072 --> 01:47:38,072
And these cracks are healing

1901
01:47:38,072 --> 01:48:01,072
Laurie K先 두부

1902
01:48:03,072 --> 01:48:10,852
Okay, that was The Underclass by Longy.

1903
01:48:11,612 --> 01:48:16,792
And that was my choice in this little collection of Longy tunes that we're talking about today.

1904
01:48:17,272 --> 01:48:20,432
Now, the reason why I wanted to bring that one to the party,

1905
01:48:20,432 --> 01:48:24,692
and I was kind of quite glad that you didn't choose it in your five, to be honest.

1906
01:48:25,152 --> 01:48:27,492
I think overall, looking at the charts,

1907
01:48:27,492 --> 01:48:35,192
I think The Underclass has possibly been your most successful V4V release so far.

1908
01:48:35,452 --> 01:48:36,292
Would that be right?

1909
01:48:36,992 --> 01:48:38,312
I'm pretty sure it is, isn't it?

1910
01:48:38,552 --> 01:48:41,132
It was one of the first ones we put up as well.

1911
01:48:42,092 --> 01:48:44,592
Yeah, I think it was the second tune we put up.

1912
01:48:44,732 --> 01:48:53,292
And we put your first song, Love Schizophrenia, that went up, I believe, in June 2023 now, can you believe?

1913
01:48:53,432 --> 01:48:55,212
So that's like over two and a half years ago.

1914
01:48:55,212 --> 01:49:01,112
but the underclass we put up and you know when i come to you and i said well just give us one song

1915
01:49:01,112 --> 01:49:06,192
we'll put it up i'll show you how it works and we'll just see what happens but then we got on

1916
01:49:06,192 --> 01:49:11,012
this you know you're talking earlier about like consistency and releasing and i just said to you

1917
01:49:11,012 --> 01:49:16,212
we you know you've got so many songs let's just release one a week for the next however long do

1918
01:49:16,212 --> 01:49:23,792
you know what i mean yeah and um so we we started on this um kind of schedule of dropping a new song

1919
01:49:23,792 --> 01:49:29,212
into the value verse every Friday. And I think the second one was the underclass. Now we have to take

1920
01:49:29,212 --> 01:49:36,292
our hats off to people like Dave Jones and Adam Curry, because they have really been two of the

1921
01:49:36,292 --> 01:49:45,532
leading lights of developing the RSS protocol to enable music to be shared on the same podcast

1922
01:49:45,532 --> 01:49:51,792
players that, you know, their podcast shows go out on. Now, I remember you saying to me,

1923
01:49:51,792 --> 01:49:57,792
yeah I don't know what's going on Aaron but my wallet's just been going off all night and I was

1924
01:49:57,792 --> 01:50:02,492
like I don't know mate I you know I don't know and you know what it's like when you you listen

1925
01:50:02,492 --> 01:50:07,272
to podcasts they can be in a queue and you might not actually hear them for a week or so because

1926
01:50:07,272 --> 01:50:10,972
they're backed up and you don't get a chance to listen to them anyway so I was listening to Adam

1927
01:50:10,972 --> 01:50:18,012
Curry's podcast in 2.0 show about a week after you told me that your your wallet was blowing up

1928
01:50:18,012 --> 01:50:21,492
and I realized what had happened.

1929
01:50:21,812 --> 01:50:25,192
Basically, Adam Curry was talking about V4V

1930
01:50:25,192 --> 01:50:27,192
and the wallet switching technology

1931
01:50:27,192 --> 01:50:30,192
and all of these little developments to the protocol

1932
01:50:30,192 --> 01:50:35,472
which enabled this ecosystem to appear.

1933
01:50:36,252 --> 01:50:41,592
He had basically played that song, The Underclass, on his show,

1934
01:50:42,332 --> 01:50:47,352
and that was essentially why you was getting so many boosts

1935
01:50:47,352 --> 01:50:50,032
because Adam Curry was like, we're going to play this song.

1936
01:50:50,112 --> 01:50:51,352
This is a really upbeat song.

1937
01:50:51,432 --> 01:50:52,432
I think you'll like it.

1938
01:50:52,492 --> 01:50:52,832
Do you know what I mean?

1939
01:50:52,872 --> 01:50:54,172
And then obviously it came on.

1940
01:50:54,672 --> 01:50:57,472
I immediately got goosebumps, mate.

1941
01:50:57,472 --> 01:51:01,232
Like literally the hairs on my arms, the back of my neck was standing up

1942
01:51:01,232 --> 01:51:03,592
because I was like, holy shit.

1943
01:51:03,732 --> 01:51:04,192
Do you know what I mean?

1944
01:51:04,272 --> 01:51:06,512
It was like everything I had...

1945
01:51:06,528 --> 01:51:11,788
kind of said to you and promised to you in kind of blind optimism

1946
01:51:11,788 --> 01:51:15,428
and blind hope from my perspective, like, fingers crossed,

1947
01:51:15,568 --> 01:51:19,768
let's hope something good happens, happened within, like, the first month.

1948
01:51:19,768 --> 01:51:26,628
And Adam Curry basically showed that his podcast essentially had the ability

1949
01:51:26,628 --> 01:51:30,768
to put your track number one on Wav Lake, and it did.

1950
01:51:30,868 --> 01:51:32,828
It went straight to number one on Wav Lake.

1951
01:51:32,968 --> 01:51:36,268
The amount of, like, Satoshis that were streaming through was insane.

1952
01:51:36,528 --> 01:51:45,748
So, yeah, that's why I wanted to bring this because it really was the concrete proof that this is the way this could go.

1953
01:51:45,928 --> 01:51:48,168
You know, podcasts can play songs.

1954
01:51:48,488 --> 01:51:52,088
You know, the wallets will switch in the background underneath.

1955
01:51:52,468 --> 01:51:55,248
You know, you don't even know it's happening and it just works.

1956
01:51:55,788 --> 01:52:04,688
And tacking that onto the extension of doing the live show and doing the live stream, the technology just works.

1957
01:52:04,688 --> 01:52:05,808
Do you know what I mean?

1958
01:52:05,808 --> 01:52:11,708
Once they've written this code, it just seems to just keep working and working.

1959
01:52:12,308 --> 01:52:15,808
We've got a phrase in Bitcoin, nothing stops this train.

1960
01:52:16,308 --> 01:52:26,108
And I believe anything that Bitcoin touches gives it that potential energy to a snowball rolling downhill.

1961
01:52:26,828 --> 01:52:32,788
Now, basically, we have literally just started forming a snowball at the top of the hill.

1962
01:52:32,788 --> 01:52:52,848
We've not reached escape velocity yet. We've not killed Spotify just yet. But who knows? 5, 10, 15 years down the road, why would people upload to Spotify? You know, I sincerely believe Spotify is probably somewhere you would go if you want to listen to the Beatles.

1963
01:52:52,848 --> 01:53:00,928
but how many people are listening to you know beethoven and mozart and you know rock and roll

1964
01:53:00,928 --> 01:53:07,268
start well not that rock and roll was a thing a hundred years ago it probably just ends up

1965
01:53:07,268 --> 01:53:19,898
kind of fading and dying do you know what i mean like what that line from neil young song um russ never sleeps you know it better to burn out than to fade away Well I think Spotify will fade away

1966
01:53:21,198 --> 01:53:22,118
What's your thoughts?

1967
01:53:25,238 --> 01:53:27,598
Can't see it for a while, but let's hope so.

1968
01:53:29,398 --> 01:53:37,038
Because of, you know, it's the 0.0000001p that people get,

1969
01:53:37,578 --> 01:53:39,518
and I just don't understand how that's fair

1970
01:53:39,518 --> 01:53:40,858
how you can survive on that.

1971
01:53:41,178 --> 01:53:44,478
And, you know, it doesn't bode well, I don't think,

1972
01:53:44,578 --> 01:53:46,998
for youngsters to come through on that platform.

1973
01:53:49,418 --> 01:53:52,438
It's just as simple as that, really.

1974
01:53:52,858 --> 01:53:53,478
It really is.

1975
01:53:54,998 --> 01:53:58,558
Yeah, we'd just be stuck in this perpetual loop of AI slop.

1976
01:53:59,678 --> 01:54:02,998
For those that have ever watched the movie Demolition Man,

1977
01:54:03,078 --> 01:54:04,078
have you seen Demolition Man?

1978
01:54:04,598 --> 01:54:06,058
I have many moons ago,

1979
01:54:06,158 --> 01:54:07,978
but I don't think I can even remember the story anymore.

1980
01:54:07,978 --> 01:54:14,878
yeah well sylvester salone basically hygienically frozen and because everything's got so woke

1981
01:54:14,878 --> 01:54:21,778
and so kind of weak um that a criminal comes back and he basically takes over the place but obviously

1982
01:54:21,778 --> 01:54:27,038
all the they've not had to deal with any kind of criminality or any kind of like testosterone for

1983
01:54:27,038 --> 01:54:33,698
quite a while so they have to ask sylvester salone come back and basically take charge of this guy

1984
01:54:33,698 --> 01:54:38,698
They have to fight that fire with that same era's fire.

1985
01:54:39,418 --> 01:54:42,278
And basically there's a scene in there where they're driving in the cop car

1986
01:54:42,278 --> 01:54:44,318
and there's no music anymore.

1987
01:54:44,498 --> 01:54:47,758
It's just radio jingles and they're singing along to a radio jingle

1988
01:54:47,758 --> 01:54:51,258
because the only music that can exist in that time

1989
01:54:51,258 --> 01:54:55,918
is music that's being paid for to advertise some muck.

1990
01:54:56,138 --> 01:54:56,698
Do you know what I mean?

1991
01:54:57,498 --> 01:55:00,678
And, yeah, this is why we're doing what we're doing

1992
01:55:00,678 --> 01:55:05,758
because we don't want to be at the behest of corporations and bigwigs.

1993
01:55:06,278 --> 01:55:10,458
And we want music and original music to live forever, right?

1994
01:55:12,878 --> 01:55:15,278
I'm certainly going to re-watch that film tonight, I think,

1995
01:55:15,818 --> 01:55:30,768
just to fire up some burning light that might have tilted slightly in me So yeah Is Wesley Slugs in that film That the one yeah Yeah beautiful Yeah I can wait It a great movie

1996
01:55:30,828 --> 01:55:32,228
They've got a lot of things right in that.

1997
01:55:32,368 --> 01:55:32,808
They've got...

1998
01:55:32,808 --> 01:55:33,648
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1999
01:55:33,928 --> 01:55:36,568
Is it one where someone swears in the street

2000
01:55:36,568 --> 01:55:38,448
and literally someone comes up to you and gives you a fine?

2001
01:55:38,448 --> 01:55:40,568
Yeah, you know, that's where, you know,

2002
01:55:41,148 --> 01:55:43,728
they're basically two-tier society.

2003
01:55:43,888 --> 01:55:46,308
You've got those that live in the utopia above ground.

2004
01:55:46,708 --> 01:55:48,648
They're not allowed to sort on their food.

2005
01:55:48,648 --> 01:55:53,008
They're not allowed to, you know, they're not allowed to procreate with a woman.

2006
01:55:53,188 --> 01:55:54,488
There's machines that do everything.

2007
01:55:55,028 --> 01:55:58,068
And then you had Dennis Leary below ground, you know,

2008
01:55:58,128 --> 01:56:00,768
where you could get your rat burgers and your things like that.

2009
01:56:01,228 --> 01:56:04,728
Well, I think, you know, if there's an anthem for the underground,

2010
01:56:04,988 --> 01:56:06,448
I think the underclass is it.

2011
01:56:06,708 --> 01:56:11,788
The underclass, that last song, it basically goes out to all those people

2012
01:56:11,788 --> 01:56:14,368
that are living below ground because they don't want to,

2013
01:56:14,368 --> 01:56:16,968
they don't want to exist in a

2014
01:56:16,968 --> 01:56:19,528
in a beige society

2015
01:56:19,528 --> 01:56:20,688
that's just

2016
01:56:20,688 --> 01:56:21,288
you know

2017
01:56:21,288 --> 01:56:24,228
devoid of emotion and personality

2018
01:56:24,228 --> 01:56:25,108
do you know what I mean?

2019
01:56:25,108 --> 01:56:25,948
and also

2020
01:56:25,948 --> 01:56:26,628
I took that

2021
01:56:26,628 --> 01:56:28,268
the front cover of the underclass

2022
01:56:28,268 --> 01:56:29,588
is a

2023
01:56:29,588 --> 01:56:31,068
it's a real picture

2024
01:56:31,068 --> 01:56:32,288
I literally walked past KFC

2025
01:56:32,288 --> 01:56:33,648
and I saw these three hoodlums

2026
01:56:33,648 --> 01:56:35,168
and they were just bogging at me

2027
01:56:35,168 --> 01:56:35,588
so I thought

2028
01:56:35,588 --> 01:56:36,248
get my camera out

2029
01:56:36,248 --> 01:56:37,328
and then obviously what you see

2030
01:56:37,328 --> 01:56:38,548
of them sticking their fingers up

2031
01:56:38,548 --> 01:56:38,808
is

2032
01:56:38,808 --> 01:56:40,128
is really real

2033
01:56:40,128 --> 01:56:40,648
so

2034
01:56:40,648 --> 01:56:41,328
yeah

2035
01:56:41,328 --> 01:56:42,968
it's for them as well

2036
01:56:42,968 --> 01:56:43,868
it's for them

2037
01:56:43,868 --> 01:56:49,248
you know say something can stay true i think that's the uh that's the way it's got to go

2038
01:56:49,248 --> 01:56:56,188
fantastic fantastic right well we're gonna um wrap this show up thanks so much for joining us

2039
01:56:56,188 --> 01:57:02,688
thanks for having me and we can talk into you as ever hopefully we can get your music out to a load

2040
01:57:02,688 --> 01:57:10,208
more people around the planet and people can discover you now obviously um how can people

2041
01:57:10,208 --> 01:57:12,028
like learn more about you

2042
01:57:12,028 --> 01:57:13,628
how can they reach out to you

2043
01:57:13,628 --> 01:57:14,728
are you on NOSTA

2044
01:57:14,728 --> 01:57:16,368
I think I am

2045
01:57:16,368 --> 01:57:17,308
but to be fair

2046
01:57:17,308 --> 01:57:18,388
I'm on Damason

2047
01:57:18,388 --> 01:57:20,008
I should know all my tags by now

2048
01:57:20,008 --> 01:57:20,968
but best thing

2049
01:57:20,968 --> 01:57:21,808
just to go on Fountain

2050
01:57:21,808 --> 01:57:22,968
look under

2051
01:57:22,968 --> 01:57:24,068
Lommie

2052
01:57:24,068 --> 01:57:25,448
and then go from there

2053
01:57:25,448 --> 01:57:26,168
and I'll be on there

2054
01:57:26,168 --> 01:57:27,188
with most

2055
01:57:27,188 --> 01:57:28,548
I think

2056
01:57:28,548 --> 01:57:29,648
Christ

2057
01:57:29,648 --> 01:57:39,958
my library my library starting to get quite big on Fountain so yeah yeah just get on there DM me do what you need to do and let go Indeed

2058
01:57:40,278 --> 01:57:40,538
Right.

2059
01:57:40,658 --> 01:57:42,398
Well, thanks for listening, everyone.

2060
01:57:42,858 --> 01:57:45,018
We're going to call it a wrap now.

2061
01:57:46,258 --> 01:57:47,978
Is there anything else you want to tell people?

2062
01:57:48,058 --> 01:57:50,558
You got any gigs coming up soon?

2063
01:57:51,338 --> 01:57:53,838
Weird enough, Pickle Pickle on March the 28th.

2064
01:57:54,338 --> 01:57:55,338
We're back there, aren't we?

2065
01:57:55,338 --> 01:58:03,698
so um yeah march the 28th um friday night west cliff on sea get down to the pickle pickle um

2066
01:58:03,698 --> 01:58:07,718
and let's get a beer down us and watch some brilliant brilliant music i'm pretty sure

2067
01:58:07,718 --> 01:58:15,158
we're gonna live stream that as well around the planet so people can enjoy that all right well

2068
01:58:15,158 --> 01:58:25,118
that's fantastic yeah so all right well wicked nice one longy i've been aaron of essex

2069
01:58:25,118 --> 01:58:27,218
It's part of the New Music Nudge Unit,

2070
01:58:27,578 --> 01:58:32,178
decentralising music without labels, without Spotify, without permission.

2071
01:58:33,358 --> 01:58:34,198
So check us out.

2072
01:58:34,258 --> 01:58:35,078
We're all on NOSTA.

2073
01:58:35,478 --> 01:58:36,678
New Music Nudge Unit.

2074
01:58:36,998 --> 01:58:38,038
Long is on NOSTA.

2075
01:58:38,918 --> 01:58:43,798
Go and check out the new music that's entering this scene.

2076
01:58:45,298 --> 01:58:45,898
Yeah.

2077
01:58:46,258 --> 01:58:49,778
And thanks to Avi for letting me hijack your show.

2078
01:58:49,938 --> 01:58:51,118
I hope you enjoyed it.

2079
01:58:51,118 --> 01:58:53,338
Hopefully this is the first of many.

2080
01:58:53,338 --> 01:58:55,358
if you want me to interview

2081
01:58:55,358 --> 01:58:57,718
any of the other artists in the space

2082
01:58:57,718 --> 01:58:58,618
about music

2083
01:58:58,618 --> 01:59:00,978
then obviously give us a shout out

2084
01:59:00,978 --> 01:59:02,638
remember to boost the show

2085
01:59:02,638 --> 01:59:05,498
so we can kind of

2086
01:59:05,498 --> 01:59:08,058
spread the love and spread the value

2087
01:59:08,058 --> 01:59:09,598
across the value verse

2088
01:59:09,598 --> 01:59:10,218
to everybody

2089
01:59:10,218 --> 01:59:13,778
thanks again for listening

2090
01:59:13,778 --> 01:59:15,238
everyone, over and out

2091
01:59:15,238 --> 01:59:16,158
cheers Longy

2092
01:59:16,158 --> 01:59:19,498
speak soon

2093
01:59:19,498 --> 01:59:20,078
bye mate

2094
01:59:23,338 --> 01:59:53,318
Thank you.