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Today is Friday the 10th of October, and it is 1.17pm on the East Coast of the United States.
At the time of recording, this is episode 132 of Pleb Chain Radio, and it promises to be a good one.
Rob Brindad, author of the brand new mind-bending book, Glitch, returns to the show to talk about that and much, much more.
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and QW, you've been paying attention to Bitcoin and NostiCulture this week.
What have you witnessed?
Avi, that episode is actually streaming on Zap.Stream
from SirSleepy's account.
So I'm rugged again.
I can only hope that he will share some of those Zaps with me.
You really will in that Pioneer.
Pioneer chain is the promo code, or the discount code, I suppose.
All right.
Hey, I did notice something that I've been kind of waiting for.
It was announced, I think, last, like a couple of days ago.
Looks like the Square terminals are going to be initiating, I think, November 10th.
We'll be accepting Bitcoin.
I'm curious about that.
Are you familiar with anybody that uses Square terminals, Avi?
Well, I am, but they're all in New York State where there is no lightning on Cash App.
So that Square is as good as, the Square Terminal is as good as a brick that accepts fiat currency.
Yeah. So my wife uses it. I'm very curious.
So I'm going to have to, I'll have to test that on that date and see what kind of hurdles we, you know, you want it to be frictionless, right?
So we'll see how that goes.
But that's been the big news of the week.
I think it was probably shared the most was that announcement.
So good stuff there.
Nostra Valley 2.0, they did drop the agenda.
Are you going, Avi?
I will not be able to attend Nostra Valley, unfortunately.
My son's soccer season is in the playoff stage, so I need to be here.
Okay, so that's confirmed.
Avi will be there.
So, yeah.
So October 18th, next Saturday, State College PA.
The agenda dropped.
Looks like there's going to be the usual suspects, maybe Derek, Heather, Open Mike, friends of the show, even Arkanox I saw is on the agenda.
I've actually met him a few times.
So a lot of people that have been on the PCR show, the Pioneer Chain Radio, Avi.
So it's good to see.
I hope there's some fresh minds, fresh ideas, you know, some bullishness going on in the Noster world.
So I'm very curious about how the turnout is year over year.
So it's something to watch.
And anybody in the Pennsylvania State College area or in the region itself, drive down.
Go say what's up to the fellow Nostrages.
And that's it for Culture Corner, Avi.
I do want to talk in my sermon today.
And it's really a reflection of kind of what I've been witnessing or watching in the past few months.
I mean, whether it's the factions of the core versus knots, the people kind of injecting their own personal beliefs or emotions into protocols.
It's something I've kind of looked into.
And this is especially people that are really in touch.
So it tapped into the Nostra world or the Twitter world or they're, you know, they spend a lot of their online, a lot of their lives online in this online community, this digital playground.
So the sermon today is Owning Your Freedom Mindset.
My journey through freedom technology has ignited a deep passion for change.
I'm captivated by the potential of Bitcoin and Nostra protocol.
And I often find myself frustrated, wondering why others, normies as I call them, can't see the truth that seems so clear to me, plain as day.
Then it hit me.
Bitcoin and Nostra don't need me to champion them.
Their true strength will emerge when we need them.
I see narratives forming self-proclaimed main characters advocating for protocol updates, tweaks, or overhauls.
All fueled by the bullish case for Bitcoin.
But the protocols stand resolute, unshaken.
The real change isn't needed in the code, it's needed in us.
It turns out that you are the one who needs the shift, not protocols.
Too often we project our insecurities, short-term thinking, or grandiose ideas onto these impartial decentralized systems.
This realization grounds me, pulling me back to the heart of their mission.
Diversity of thought is inevitable, yet our shared purpose, crafting tools for true freedom, holds unparalleled power.
Let go of the illusion that Bitcoin or Nostra depends on your advocacy.
We're building the foundation for a future where these protocols will thrive,
not because we force their adoption,
but because they'll shine brightest when the world needs them the most.
True empowerment comes when necessity drives change,
and that's the legacy we're creating today.
What do you think, Avi?
Yeah, and the time will come when they are needed.
Well said, QW.
And with that, I think it's time to welcome our guest back to the show, Rob Brindett.
Welcome back.
Thanks, Harvey.
Love the, did you call it a sermon?
QW?
Yes.
Yeah, we're spreading the gospel.
Yeah.
I love that.
Change from within.
Yeah.
It's oftentimes, you know, your reality is a mirror.
so it's really about you
not your perception
100%
So Rob, first and foremost
congratulations on the release
of your new book
Glitch, how has the reception been so far?
Yeah
the reception's been really good
what
I haven't
my first book
was like my first attempt
and it was
probably not the best written. And, you know, I learned a lot from that. And this one's been
a year in the writing. And I'm very, very pleased with it, because I think what I wanted to do was
create something that people could use immediately to for themselves. So it's each and every one of
us are self-sovereign and our own authority. And so the only way to be free is to take responsibility
and do the work yourself. You can't follow anyone. So I wanted the book to be there as a sort of
open protocol or a framework to help people do the work. And what I'm seeing, you know,
in the meat space because I have friends or people I know that have been buying it and
clients and they're like, wow, you know, immediately it's changing me, how I interact
with my family, with the garage owner, you know, even physical pain and stress.
And then online I'm seeing people posting things even with the core knots debate like
you're caught in your hamster wheel. And so I think there's a, because it's something that I've
seen to be true, and then I have tested it and seen it to be true with many clients and others,
then it seems to be, you know, there's this thing in the mind that can be seen. And then
And everyone immediately can relate to that.
So in terms of marketing, everyone's doing it for me.
So, yeah, it's going to be a marathon.
This is my life's work.
So I'm jumping on podcasts when I can and getting the message out there.
The people don't need to suffer.
You know, you can hold your own keys.
You can hold your own, you know, inner child.
so to speak, and resolve your own glitchy coding.
So Rob, we'll dig into your book in a lot more detail,
but I want to focus on something you said,
which is, you know, you've written your second book, right?
And your mind has wandered back to your first book.
And it's sort of looking at it saying,
oh, you know, I could have done a better job or whatever.
By the way, I loved your first book, right?
But it's interesting that you're, you know, once,
obviously with the second book,
your writing would have improved.
It's only natural, right?
When you've spent time writing, you do improve.
And then you look back at your prior work.
Have you considered writing a second edition saying,
ah, you know what?
I could have written this.
Knowing what I know now, let me go back
and fix those little things that are annoying me
about the first one.
Yeah, yeah.
I think when I was, I have thought about doing that,
but and I may do that but what I excited about is is this work now the you know helping people to understand how their minds work
And so the other book was more my musings a little bit on, first of all,
my journey into understanding how, you know, everything's interrelated
and, you know, you must be looking at the mind when it comes to the body.
So it is important, but it was much more of a take on how Bitcoin is this yin energy that changes people.
And so I may come back to it.
As you said, I think once you've written a second book, then you start to become more comfortable.
I've started writing daily that I write every day of the week, sort of an email and I post it on Nostra.
And I'm enjoying that and I'm getting good feedback.
So again, it's that cumulative effect of writing and stacking words
that I feel is bringing out the writer in me.
So I'm observing my behavior about the first book.
Yeah, and I ask Rob because I find myself in the exact same boat.
After having finished my second book, which is now in editing now,
I've actually, I've sort of taken, I've gone back, taken the first book and I'm rewriting it.
I'm halfway through the second edition of the first book and I know the feeling exactly.
Awesome.
Is it going to be called 25?
It's a thought for sure.
so what i mean i guess what what i would like to know because i mean i'm i'm i'm not an author i'm
someone that uh you know i'm i'm in awe when people can sit down and uh uh build this project
out think about it you said you've been writing it for a year now rob yeah yeah so when when you
finally, you know, when it finally goes to editor, the editor, and maybe to print, I mean, what?
That's it. I mean, there's no changing it after that. So how hard is it to click send?
So what I found, it was fascinating. So I started reading, I started writing, and then I saw
like an unable, like, I watch my behavior very carefully. And so when I start something new,
it's going to bring up new awareness to deep conditioning.
So it brought up old conditioning from school, you know, not good enough and stuff.
So I had to kind of work through that and I do that by and I explain how I do that in the book.
So I kind of went through, you know, sort of some rough patches where maybe things dried up.
But those were important for me to work through and then explain in the book when I was writing it.
When it came to the final, what I thought was kind of the first final, I gave it to people.
People cried, but it was a mess.
It's like when I talk, I'm kind of a bit dyslexic.
So I hold lots of thoughts and come back to them back and forth.
But people who like that style of writing, they found it extremely emotional.
but I realized I gave everything away in the first chapter and so working with an with an editor
I had to really start to think actually I don't want to give it away in the first chapter I need
to explain it you know sort of a la Jeff Booth like this point goes to this point and I don't
want people coming to point three and going huh where did he jump from here so I wanted to take
the very logical people very you know the skeptics and explain step by step and I did that a little
bit by explaining my own experiences as a kid and I edited it 10 I did more than 10 edits like
I went through it and then I went through it and then I finally self-published and then someone
said to me oh there's a big mistake and I hadn't seen it I've been through it again and again so I
had to go through it again and and completely re-upload and republish and then some I printed
it and then someone said all the things wrong and I had to republish six or seven times so when it
came to the editing part it was the most it was the best learning experience for me because I went
through that book line by line by line and made sure that it was as good as as as good as I thought
it could be and then when I launched it I was exhausted like it it was much more demanding than
thought it could ever be someone said it's like giving birth but I didn't tell my wife that
but I was exhausted and I took a holiday went to Paris and I really realized that I was physically
drained from it but I knew I had to I was excited beyond words because I feel like I have something
here that is important and for other people and you know it's helped me massively in my clients
but I want people to be able to have access to it for you know like 10 bucks on a kindle and then
they can immediately go away and they're there it's like they have their own keys you know they
can they don't need a guru or a therapist they can start working on themselves
so Rob you were last on the show on November 1st of 2024 so almost a year ago for episode 85
and one of the things we talked about was your work with a place to be right the unschooling
venture that you've started in Madeira with with your wife yeah what what's what's been happening
with a place to be in the last year okay so I I don't know if it was about that time but I kind
of stepped back I told I said Sylvia you're the boss here you you need to run with this in you
know it's not good as a I don't think as good as a couple working on the same thing um you know you
you two CEOs type thing she was the she it was her dream and and she her drive was there right
I could see it so I kind of step back and I I am her you know advisor when it comes to concerns
and worries we we do um you know hamster wheel work when she has a something um you know she
she needs to work on so she's been driving this she's done amazingly well we we have um
sylvia and the place to be has merged with citadel gardens and they have um just recently
bought the land that we've been preparing for for months uh all of us and the founders working on
there with chainsaws and clearing tools to get the topography done um so we have a 500 000 meter
squared piece of beautiful um like semi-rain forest forest with the most spectacular view
of the end of the island um and so we're at we're at the point of just getting um
getting planning permission to go ahead and the projects.
I don't know if I talked about it, how big the project was back then,
but now, you know, it's going to be 25 houses,
spa, gym, barbecue sites.
It'll be an outdoor gym, tatami, workshops,
AI and robotics lab, horses, cattle.
There'll be an organic farm, an outdoor creek, swimming pool.
You name it, it'll be there.
Sauna.
And so it's because of the amazing joining with Citadel Gardens, we've become a part of a decentralized community of like-minded people, mainly Bitcoiners.
that, you know, there's places, I think there's a place in Georgia, there's Croatia,
we're looking at South America, possibly Vietnam, possibly Namibia, there's an island off
Alaska that are going to be like decentralized communities. And Madeira is very much an
unschooling community and so we've already got a lot of people signing up for that so
it's gone from Sylvia's small idea of a place where the community comes together and
children learn as part of a community and they're completely free and self-directed
so it takes a village you know community to raise kids and so people have really warmed
and they love the idea and they see you know obviously the problem with the schooling system
so it's it's uh it sells itself it's like you know the meme you know take my money is people are
you know absolutely uh want it want to come on board and and obviously it's because of sylvia's
deep
you know she's very
there's no bullshit
it's really an authentic
what's a you know
passion play and so
when she talks about it
all the mothers get it and in
fact sometimes it's the fathers
that get it and they're Bitcoiners
and they have to try and persuade their wives
that I've seen that quite a
bit so
So it's not always the mums that are drawn to this.
It's the husbands getting into Bitcoin first and then the mums.
And it seems to be the same here.
It's a great project, Rob.
I'm really looking forward to it.
I'm reading about Citadel Garden right now on their website.
It's pretty amazing stuff there.
Is that Rahim's company, Rob?
Yes.
that's correct okay yeah and rahim's in croatia portugal uh that's the one underway i see the
over i'm going to put this uh link in the show notes too because that's that's i think it's
really neat for anybody listening to to visualize this yeah there's a lot more with citadel garden
So Raheem's a really smart guy and he's kind of doing the sailor play, which is using fiat to buy hard assets with Bitcoin loans.
And so it's super smart and he's got lots of other ideas.
But when he looks at a location so you can there will be a possibility I think just to stay you know um come and stay at some of the places for two weeks but if you want to join and join the fund then you
get um you you know you you can literally move between sites um you know you put a certain amount
of Bitcoin, you do a call with Sylvia and you put a certain amount of Bitcoin into the fund
and then you get access to all the sites. So, and there's, yeah, so dig into the site.
Sylvia knows more about it than I do, but just super grateful for Rahim and his partner
who saw the, you know, obviously the value in A Place to Be. And I think A Place to Be is going to
really you know the the it's a very special project and it's going to make um citadel gardens even more
special yeah for sure rob uh and i had a couple of really good conversations with rahim i met him
in prague earlier this year and then he was in paraguay last month um we spent some time talking
about all of these things. Great guy, for sure. So let's sort of dig a little bit into your book,
Rob. You've talked about the core thesis just now, but you have some primary inspirations,
people who have inspired you, right, in this book. There's Krishnamurti, there's Gabor Mate,
there's Marley Robbins, and Paul Cech. Now, for folks who are unfamiliar with them, I personally
know of Krishnamurti and Gabor Mate.
Very well.
I've studied that.
But the other two I'm unfamiliar with.
So do you want to maybe talk about briefly about each of them,
what their primary philosophy is and how it inspired the book?
Yeah.
So I talked about Paul.
I studied with Paul in the 90s.
And he, when I was working in elite sport, I thought I was the dog's bollocks.
and so you know I'd walk into a conference with my initials on my tracksuit from you know the
pro club where I was at and I went to a conference someone told me about Paul Cech who's from San
Diego and he gave a talk and I it was like it was a slap in the face I realized that I knew
1% of what he was talking about. And also, he was looking at how the emotions affect the
limbic system. He was talking about how scars affect the body. I was like,
you know, I'd never learned anything about this at uni. And so I studied with him in depth for
a number of years and he helped me to understand the connection between the mind and the body
and to you know and and kind of that mind body spirit connection in terms of high performance
and he worked with you know a lot of the very famous athletes and he was using this methodology
with them and so I I dived in that and he really helped me really flourish in sport and you know I
took a lot of his stuff and then I started branching out and taking other like the French
posterology system I studied in Paris with Dr. Bernard Brico so he's the one that sort of
took me to the next level so I talked about him in the book and I really appreciate that
Krishnamurti, I was looking for an answer to why I couldn't change
with all the work I had done and I was working with people
I was getting amazing results
I was also seeing some clients that weren't changing
as in their deep personality
so maybe they were an addict
I resolved the drive for, say, alcohol, but they'd come back a year later and the same patterns were there.
And so I remember asking, I said, there's something I'm missing here.
Please, you know, this is what I do personally.
I kind of just say, I want to know what this is now.
And I send it out there.
I'm not talking too woo-woo.
I just have this deep knowing that when I'm ready to receive the information, I receive it.
Like, you know, the teacher arrives and I was took a few months and I was really watching, you know, seeing it more and more in my clients.
And then I a video of Christian Murthy popped up and it was just a short one and something clicked inside.
And I got this feeling that I know that, you know, my hairs go up and I go, that's it.
And I deep dived on his work.
And immediately when I understood as much as I could, because Krishnamurti's work is profound, I understood at my level.
And I knew that I had to start to observe my own behavior.
so I actually started doing that first of all when I started writing my first book so I've been
doing it for quite a while and and what what I realized was um I was observing and then I was
observing with my clients and it started and I talk about it in the book and I find it fascinating
that I started to really listen to my clients and pick out words and see patterns and then I started
drawing it out on a whiteboard with my clients and then I started to see these kind of rules
and these laws and they were um uh reproducible in every client and I could I started to see that
some people were on the right of this circle and some people on the left and depending on their
struggles or you know it could be an elite Olympic athlete it could have been a cleaner I don't you
know i quite like variety in my work but it um i saw this pattern emerging and i the more i went
into it the more i started to realize that it seemed like there are just these five programs in
running on this sort of open protocol which is the mind and everyone has is running the same
conditioned protocol and it works like a hamster wheel and i started to talk to people about this
And it changed them. It changed them quite quickly. And it changed me massively.
So with Krishnamurti, what I think I've done, and this might be blasphemous and I might be way off the mark,
is David Bohm, the Einstein student who was close with Krishnamurti,
He kind of was slightly critical at some point and said that Krishnamurti's work is so deep and complex that it's very difficult to understand.
So he came up with his own method, so to speak.
That's David Bohm's work, Discourse.
and what I've done for myself and others
I think I've given an easier framework by seeing these patterns
and they help to show you the illusion that is the mind
and that it is, as David Bohm says
it's just like a computer with scripts
and they're not intelligent
and they're very mechanical
and they just run on loops
and so when people can see them for what they are
and not get caught in them, then they can be free, truly free.
So Christian Murthy is, oh man, I'd love to have met him.
Fortunately, there's quite a lot of content of his on the web,
but fundamentally it comes down to you have to observe yourself,
your own self, to understand it, to be free.
And I think with Morley Robbins,
he made me understand the importance of how our minerals make up the battery so I've always known
the body is an electrical battery and I introduced Meridian work and Tai Chi Chi Gong into
kind of the premiership with Chelsea and I brought in an acupuncturist back in the 90s
And that was seen as woo-woo and I was mocked.
But now that's mainstream.
All sports teams.
I've even seen people using some, you know, like cleaning the energy of a basketball court.
It's sort of much more open and talked about.
But back in the day, it was, you know, I was in the closet with the energy work.
and but uh now it's kind of um douglas wallace dr douglas wallace the lead mitochondrial
researcher in the world american amazing guy um i watched one of his lectures and at the end
he flippantly says oh and i'm opening up a clinic in china because i believe the mitochondrial
system is the meridian system and i was like what and so you know you um so with morley
made me understand that he is a researcher in minerals. But when he started talking about fear
attracts iron, iron is the most pro-oxidant element in the universe. And the fantastic science TM
had decided to add iron filings to our food system and fortify it. And this thing is,
it rusts us from the inside so the the chapter that i put in on minerals was to help people
understand that if you're not getting enough minerals in your food which we're not
and with pesticides that are chelating some of the minerals like copper
and and you know processed foods and things that will have an effect on the mind
And so Morley, you know, Morley's the like him because he looks at very old research.
And when you get into that area, you can see that the pharma, the pharma industry really is not seeing the body as what it is, which is a complex system.
And it tries to isolate everything down.
And if you want to go that route, it's very feared.
you know um it's like the fed thinking that they control the levers of the economy and
so i i've kind of morley helped me step back again to understand that the body is
is holistic it's it's um very complex and if you add things that are not natural if you're not
balancing it you know like a garden then you're going to pay the price you're going to gain
something but as with the hamster wheels you're going to lose.
And there was Gabor Mate as well Yeah I love Gabor When I was working with when I was explaining with the Krishnamurti I started drawing the circles and starting to see the patterns One client or a few clients asked me why why why do why is this behavior there And that I caught that question I thought that a very good question And again I asked I need to work that out
one of the sessions I talk about in the book I drew the big circle I started plotting the behavior
and then I drew a little circle in the bottom left hand corner and the client said what's that
and I said I don't know and but I knew that there was something there and then a few days later I
watched a very short clip of Gabby and I've read his books before that but something clicked again
And he said all behaviors, all aberrant behaviors and addictions comes from that initial trauma of the disconnect with the family, the parents.
And that clicked.
And then, you know, if you've got a lot of experience in something and then someone just gives you that little key, it kind of just instantly connects all the dots.
And then you go, oh, that's why. And so I started to draw in that little circle my client's first name, but in small letter because it signifies them as a little child.
And the script, the program that was created at the time is remarkable. So there's the compassion that Gabor Mate talks about.
he says you you need to understand that your the the programs came no other way and show compassion
and that that helped me explain to my clients that when they're seeing these patterns that we all have
whoever you are you're being driven by the mind and the mind is a defense mechanism or system
the operating system that is a defense system trying to get you love but it's it's a plastic
love and it's not getting your needs met and you're focused on being valuable and that's because
that disconnect signifies worthlessness in when you're a little child so part of the
that i talk about in the book is understanding that the the little child that wrote your
programming you need to treat that child with compassion and in doing so in trusting
and giving trust to that little child that enables the programs to dissolve
and and the book rob has four parts right it's uh you start with the awakening
then you map the operating system which is the five hamster wheels then you talk about the
solution which you call the admin mode and then you talk about the broader implications which you
call the living free section.
I feel like in your last appearance,
we talked a lot about the awakening, right?
You told us a story about the Chelsea player
who's weight shifted.
So I would urge anyone listening,
check out episode 85 of Plep Chain Radio.
We cover a lot of the section one.
Presumably, Rob, you were working on it, right?
It must've been simmering.
You must've been writing
when we spoke about a year ago.
this bit.
But
let's maybe
let's just talk about one of the premises
that I, in reading the book that I saw
which is
people see this as a rigged game.
Like life as a rigged game.
Everything is rigged.
And you say the more
empowering perspective
you know, it's
seeing it and sort of exiting it, right?
Instead of trying to fix the
what's rigged itself right the awareness of the rig game is what is what helps uh
not trying to fix the things that make it rigged yeah yeah um so when the the the code the coded
programs or the these operating systems let's say able and unable so um you we all want to be able
to be free and able more able to win and gain and um if the more you try and energize that and react
to it so you don't think you're able enough so you you spend all your time trying to be better
it has an opposite effect so you you create an unableness so if you're balanced if you're
that didn't i didn't explain that way if you're if you're based on the left so you're left-sided
dweller which means that you lack confidence you're probably a bit of a people pleaser you support
others um you want to be able but you feel unable and so that's more of a yin feminine energy and
It's a non-doing.
And that actually feeling unable and wrong and ignored is actually safe for you.
That's the child programming kind of unconsciously that you stay there and you stay safe.
So you're kind of fearful of success and you never fail because you never do anything.
So the more that client, let's say, or I'm more like that, me personally, the more I try and be able,
the more I'm unable the more it's just because it's a closed system the more I try and affect
change and become better I've seen it cycle so many times that I just end up feeling unable
nothing ever changes if you're on the right you're you're very able you support yourself and you like
to be supported you always think you're right and you need to constantly do and work to be valuable
in the eyes of others and your worst nightmare is to flip to the left and be unable but inevitably
the wheel always corrects itself because that you're jammed up on both sides so the person on
the right is extremely fearful of failure and so that drives them always you can see it in Michael
Jordan as an extreme or Ronaldo or to Esther Sloan but there are just degrees of it but you can never
stop and you will i always get that client when they swing back the other side and they
attract a disease or or depression or they're a complete burnout and so on an individual level
changing yourself will never work because the program underneath is controlling it and then
when it comes to um i'm gonna go and say the israel situation because it's just popped into
I'm not going to go, I'm not taking a side or other, but what I've seen is that if you look at Israel, what they've always tried to do is they've said never again.
So they've put everything in place to keep themselves safe.
Right. So APAC and controlling the narratives.
And I can see why they're doing that.
However, in doing that, you can now see that people are becoming aware of what they've done to try and stay safe.
And you can see a narrative change, which means they're being blamed for everything.
And so that's one example of they're trying to, ironically, in trying to keep themselves safe, they're going to make themselves more vulnerable.
um i can you know there are many different things well actually can we pause on that one rob because
maybe we can use a different example right but but the same framework of trying to say stay safe
which which then creates that unsafeness how does one solve that other i mean well actually
especially at a collective level right you mentioned the country maybe at an individual
level i think last time you were here you said just the awareness itself of the hamster wheel
is what dissolves it.
But how does that work at a collective level?
Well, so I haven't really...
So if I was to look at that situation,
you can see that because there was so much trauma with Israel
and what happened with the Jewish people,
they said never again.
So instead of dealing with the trauma,
they went into defense and attack.
So it became...
They said, we will go out of our way
and we will defend so hard.
There was no understanding and going into forgiveness and observing their trauma and that they were reacting to the trauma.
And so they created this extreme right-sided, you know, anyone who criticizes is cancelled, you know, to an extreme, you know, assassination.
You know, Mossad's very good at assassinating threats to Israel.
and so in doing so they're defending themselves but they've actually created more more danger
because everyone's hating them for their what they've been doing and they've only been trying
to keep themselves safe so what i think they um should do is start to instead of attacking to
defend is to observe their own aggressiveness and why they're so angry and aggressive why they're so
fearful underneath because it's fear right and then look at the fear and start to reconcile that
and and in understanding that they're fearful a dog when it's scared attacks and bites right
so in understanding they're fearful but quite rightly because of the way people have said you
know and what they've done then on a collective level they need to on an you know each individual
person maybe on a collective say look we need to forgive what happened and be more loving and
compassionate to our neighbors and you know it's a bit corny but when you start to compassion comes
from understanding so if you understand your own hamster wheels and the fear that drives them
and you know this aggressive action then you'll understand your neighbors and so in understanding
that they're also fearful and attacking because of you know hatred then that's the only way that
that can be solved so on an individual level each person and me included when I see that situation
I work on myself if I if I see something terrible on social media and I feel angry I work on my own
trauma that is the only way to change the world is to work on your own trauma because as you can
see it hasn't really worked with religion and other modes of trying to bring about peace
because we've had wars for thousands of years so i would say and you know on a collective level
could it work quite possibly if the um you know if people are
hopefully you're still hearing me
yep
yeah
and
so I hadn't really thought about that but that's
how it would work maybe in South
Africa you know they did
a
you know like a coming
together and apologies
for the atrocities
done and people had to listen
to the trauma that
others had created and that was
amazing but then you have a fiat system that um you know is reinforcing the hamster wheels and
some some people are uh closest to the spigot and they are doing fine the small percentage and the
rest are finding it harder and harder and when you're stressed and therefore fearful
you're you're in no state to start really observing yourself
yeah and go ahead qw i think that's interesting um you know because because life is getting harder
right now and uh you know i'm i'm in the construction realm so uh when the tide goes out
uh money gets tight uh and and you know i can see in myself where you know i need to kind of just
take check myself i suppose because it seems like uh when finances start stressing you then i find
other things are less manageable, I suppose.
Yeah, and you burn through your minerals faster, 100%.
I came back to, there's an example I give for the hamster wheel.
It's going to, from the Israeli thing, it's going to be a bit of a shock.
But it brings it to two guys.
When you, the more you try and impress a woman,
the more she's unimpressed that that's one of the examples i give to my clients the men
that the the guy who doesn't care in the bar about the women is the one the women are attracted to
and the man who's desperately trying to get attention will be ignored do you you'd agree with
that is that like that nice guy finishes last uh type of uh stereotype then we get into the left
and right because the right side are naturally supportive of the self and so that that's
attractive to uh women because they're providers whereas left-sided men would be more people
pleasing and so they would attract a more dominant woman but that's going into the hands but it's
that idea of um the buddhist idea of the more you try and gain the zenith the more you will get the
nadir the more you try and get something within the mind the more you will get the opposite that's
that's why this closed loop system is um is so important to understand and see and then as i said
in my first book that decentralized mind is to be able to understand that you're not your mind
it's just old scripts and there's nothing to be gained from using that mind other than
using it to you know from problem solving and logic but you shouldn't listen to it you people
say listen to your gut yeah not not your mind right because the mind is just old scripts written
by a four-year-old so just understanding that it's quicksand uh and uh the more you fight it
just walk around the quicksand.
Yeah. And I think in the book with the chapter, I did a Trojan horse kind of for Bitcoin.
I wanted to, I got a lot of pushback from some early readers and from people saying,
you know, you shouldn't write about Bitcoin in a sort of a therapy book, but you have to understand
how the economic system and that kind of massive hamster wheel um the the more you stay in that the
more it crumbles uh the more you're going to be running faster and faster and you're going to
struggle and as jeff booth says you know you step out of the system and you energize you you choose
another system you can't change the system from within the system that created it and that's what
I'm saying with when you understand these hamster wheels are you know primitive and they just keep
you in this loop but most people work from that and and that's it's extremely tricky to see it
in action that's the decentralizing you have to step away and not energize your mind that's
meditation. So Rob when you were here last time you gave us a basic framework for the hamster
wheels and you talked about one or two but in the book you've laid out all five uh there's the gain
loss hamster wheel able unable right wrong support let down and attention ignore yeah do you can you
go through i mean that's we don't need to spend hours on each one but maybe a quick explainer on
each one of them and then a simple relatable example yeah so um i'll give you an example i
try and always give examples from when i when when i was triggered just got a big mosquito
sorry um so uh sylvia cooked a stew today it was lovely and i'm eating mainly carnivore
and so I knew I wouldn't be able to get enough to fill me up with the stew you know the whole
family eating it so it I felt myself get a bit annoyed and there was an emotion there and so I
observed and what I do is I'm looking for which hamster wheel bothers me and so I look at the
wording I've done this a lot but so if you imagine if you're starting out I'm annoyed why am I annoyed
Well, I've told her before, I need more meat.
And she's not listening.
That's what bothered me.
And so then I go, which wheel is that?
Paying attention to ignore.
She's not paying attention to what I said.
I pay attention to her.
She's ignoring.
And so that triggers the little four-year-old's program of paying attention to ignore.
The moment I realize that is not me, but an old program that is conditioned within me, I instantly go, it's OK.
Quite literally, I picture little Rob getting hurt because I feel ignored.
And maybe I was ignored by my mom.
You don't need to go into the why.
You just need to see the simplified script.
and then it dissolves because I see that it's not the reality but it's an old program so that
dissolves that so that's paying attention to ignore it comes up a lot people on the right
really like to pay attention to what's valuable they get annoyed with people
wives get ignored with a right-sided husband because he sort of only pays attention to his
work and they the the wife or the husband feels ignored so when i'm working relationships that
could come up a lot as a main driver of arguments um funny enough top uh really high level um
you know very very wealthy um high net worth individual clients i work with they
really can pay attention to valuableness and they work all day on it but then they can be
scammed because they ignore things that are actually quite valuable they they i've had quite
a few that get scammed because they're not they're ignoring what is valuable or they ignore their
family and so that creates the imbalance for them they you know they spend too much time
paying attention to valuable things so that's paying attention to ignore right wrong is you
know obvious um brings up a lot of anger in people they you know i'm right they're wrong um
that that's a critical criticism judgment blame thing that comes up in relationships
um for instance with myself i'd be more saying like with the book i was talking about with urv
earlier you know i didn't do it the right way i did it wrong and you know and so um donald trump
I was listening to him earlier saying, you know, something about, you know, the Israel thing.
And he said, yeah, the press even loved me on this one.
You know, I'm doing so well.
So he's on the right.
He always wants to be right and seen as right.
It's kind of almost caricature.
So that's a right and wrong.
That comes up a lot.
then you have gain and loss which is the classic um you know people want to gain um gain more
freedom bitcoiners gain more certainty um and the more they try and gain that the more they feel
they lose that's classic playing out with core and knots at the moment um people's hamster wheels
are getting triggered that people feel that they're losing you know they're losing bitcoin
and others are gaining control over the network.
It's classic and it's bringing up a lot of division and anger.
Unable, enable.
When a Bitcoiner starts to feel unable, that's a big problem.
So on Twitter, a lot of the movement now is you've got digital IDs coming in.
It's triggering that wheel.
people are starting to feel scared that they're going to be unable to do things
and so it's bringing up a lot of fear and big bitcoiners especially like to be able to make
their own decisions and so that triggers them a lot and so they will rail around rail against that
and um you know conspiracy theorists and usually they're right but you know the rabbit hole types
that really go down the rabbit holes.
What they're doing is they're trying to be able to find the truth
and they don't like being lied to, which makes them feel unable.
And then we have, what's the one I'm missing, Avi?
Was it, you did able, unable, right, wrong.
Was it a support letdown?
Yeah, that's the one.
Yeah, support letdown.
I mean, you know, being able to support your family and not let them down as a man, like that comes up a lot.
If you're on the left, if I have, say, a wife of a very wealthy husband, she'll come to me and says, you know, I support him all the time and all I get is let down.
I in football I supported everyone but then I just got let down it's inevitable this is what I have
to these these these programs they're brilliant for four-year-old but they're kind of rigged
they you can never they always rebalance that the glitch and so with the support let down the more you support like let say the more i support sylvia the you know she the more i try and people please her by supporting her and
not supporting myself she won't have any respect for me and so she will you kind of feel let down
that i don't support myself um i'm i'm giving you like quick examples but um if everyone looks
if you ever get annoyed it's going to be one of those five and if you really watch them closely
you're going to see it's like a fairground ride they're just built not to pay out and you you're
going to be running on that hamster wheel and getting exhausted or flipping yourself over at
some point so it's just inevitable if you start watching them you're going to see them play out
And then you're going to realize, okay, I need to find another way.
You might need to stop supporting her so much and your meat intake might increase in that.
Yeah.
Hey, I heard something that when men spend too much time with their family, they start to convert too much of their testosterone into estrogen.
who actually lowers testosterone.
I'm in trouble right now.
Yeah, me too.
I got a two and a half year old.
I love being with my family,
but men need to be able to go away to chop wood
or be alone to balance out.
So the testosterone is on the right.
It's a yang, a doing hormone.
estrogen is the feminine you know non-doing it and so it's just interesting um how everything
you know interrelates with balance what happens if you if the man finds time for himself
chopping wood but he's eating soy jerky
then he needs to ask himself why why is he doing that he's probably trying to make the planet more
able and do the right thing so the the you know we're the propaganda conditioning our minds is
as you know it is as old as history whoever controls the the ether the airwaves controls the
the attention of humans and you put whatever you want in there as you can see with the backlash to
netflix and disney um that we're very careful with what our children um you know absorb into
their minds because the marketing machine and the propaganda hooks the hamster wheels
and plays with the populace via that.
I just want to say, Rob, that it's got to be pretty cool because you pretty much have
an answer for anything and it always comes back to the wheels, right?
You have some sort of a protocol in place when people ask you something.
you can instantly go to one of the five and kind of dissect from there.
I just think it's really neat that you put this together.
You're the first person to say that.
That is so true.
That's such a – for me, it's just so freeing because I don't have to take –
like you don't take responsibility for the client.
You just – you draw it out.
It's, you know, and it's fascinating because you can see I can sometimes if I want to show off, I'll say, I bet you do this for a living, you know, because you can deduce from the hamster wheels what the person does for a living and how they spend their time.
so it's fascinating and very rewarding when you see the penny drop and they go oh my god or
you know they go on they send me a message like i do this thousands of times a day and i go yeah
you know welcome to the greatest show and uh you're you're quite right but you you imagine how
i feel about getting the book out it's very unusual for me because i'm like for once in my life i i
feel like I've created something kind of unique or I've discovered something and I'm getting it out
to people and I don't have to take responsibility anymore I can just chill and people can do the
work themselves I think it's powerful that every answer has a starting point and it's one of the
five yes yeah and that's a protocol that if say QW say you you go away now and I think you've done
work already by the way you're speaking um but if if you go away and you work say with your wife
or your child you you can see their hamster wheels and also but the most most powerful
thing is the more you see yours you'll change your family yeah and you call this admin mode
right which is the solution to this is getting into admin mode which i suppose boils down to
just an awareness yes of what these wheels are so what does that actually feel like let's just
take a regular person right what does it feel like to be in admin mode versus just a player in the
game right and what yes like yeah go ahead it's like the matrix like you're completely unaware and
you're a boat without a rudder if you're asleep and you spend most of your time in the past or
the future looking for dopamine, avoiding pain, trying to get more certain, distracting yourself
with social media, vices, you know, hoping and feeling powerless. And so that's why, you know,
Bitcoin can have quite an effect on someone like that.
If they can hook into it, it starts to make them question things.
And then it brings them closer to questioning their own thinking because they would see that they made mistakes and thought the world was like this.
So when you're in admin mode, you start to see your reactions to people.
and it's like you're playing a VR game
and instead of actually trying to get to the next level
by smashing things and reacting,
you're literally going,
oh, I can see what's going on here,
almost like looking at the code.
And you start going, oh, I do this,
and then that happens.
And I know why it happens
because I've got a behavior
that I've been copying since I was a little boy and I haven't ever really observed it and so you
start becoming extremely peaceful and and much more quiet and not needing to need attention
you you it's it's actually like living a new life for me so it's like a game I call it the game
and all you're doing is whenever someone triggers you,
if someone's being an asshole or something,
you're going, oh, awesome, I can find out something about myself.
Or if I'm, you know, it depends how much you want to play the game.
And for being a father, it's absolutely liberating
because your kid's going to trigger you for sure.
And then it enables you to do something about it on the spot.
you can pick up your, you know, you go to your own coder, and that's what I call admin mode,
and not react. Or if you do react, immediately realize that you've been triggered by a hamster
wheel, you know which one, and then it enables you to apologize and explain what happened. So I
tell my children, I'm sorry, I got triggered because I, you know, this hamster wheel. So my
kids kind of to some degree understand hamster wheels but they will very much so understand them
by the time they're um you know an adult did ask answer your question that avi yeah and there's but
i mean that brings up brings up a follow-up though which is in the book you talk about five different
ways i think of getting into admin mode i can't remember every single one of them yeah there's
inner child work and there's somatic observation there are a couple of them right now for someone
listening right that can be especially the new to this it can be completely overwhelming but what
are these new concepts in a child work somatic so what do you think is the most accessible entry
point for someone saying okay i get it there are these patterns that i'm hardwired the best way to
get out of it is to become an observer right just to get uh bring that bring an awareness to them
and and then you've you've given this map of how to do it with these five methodologies which is
the most accessible one it's a great question avi uh you know just observing is difficult
like people go i don't know what the hell you're talking about i i think one of the the most
accessible ones is what you're doing is you're trying to become aware of a pattern so i like to
call it the song so for instance i call myself earlier i i'm usually okay in podcasts until i
bring up israel in on a podcast i'm like what and then i was just i caught myself thinking like oh
what what were you thinking so let down i let myself down yeah zap dot stream went down when
you said it yeah just kidding it was never yeah yeah uh and um so i caught myself and then
And so what I did was I instantly went, hey, it's OK.
You know, I know it's, you know, the little coda.
But what I could do is in that situation, let's say I'm scared of disappointing, being a disappointment or people finding me a disappointment.
A lot of people can relate to that.
So you could call it a song.
It is literally a jukebox.
You've got five songs and one starts playing.
Don't dance.
realize that you you've only got all the songs that stuck down you've only got five that keep
popping up annoying so you know and so uh you know i talk about in the book the song where
there was this guy that kept on saying he was scared of people attacking him or something
so what i want what i want him just because he's finding it so difficult to
not get caught in the behavior is to go oh i know that song and so what you're doing in in saying
that one you're recognizing a behavior a repeat song behavior and if you're recognizing the
behavior it's giving a bit of distance between you and the behavior yeah so giving someone the
task of looking for that song is kind of, for me, the simplest thing I've come up with,
but I'm open to, always open to better ways.
I think the trick there is people get so involved in their feelings and the situation they in right It almost it like you asking them to do a psychic severing especially for people who have not done any work right and and you lay this on them like how do i
cut myself off this is a part of me i'm in this how do i cut myself off from this yeah yeah i mean
if you look at the matrix you've got was it cyrus he's like just stick i don't want to know about
this anymore just stick me back in and you know this steak tastes so good even though i know it's
an illusion um there are people i've worked with who are not ready and maybe will never be ready
to see this to be sort of it's a bit sort of uh dramatic but you know like the the scene where he's
pulled out of the matrix um i had a i talk about a uh an elite athlete who who you know i was
explaining that that they were so able and they were so constantly trying to be able that they
had inevitably attracted unableness and it usually comes in the universe or the game sends you
a challenge where it makes you completely unable that is my experience of 30 years you have to
don't don't trust me on that one just verify start observing this and uh when i said when she said um
you know i'm going to fight this i'm going to war with it i'm going to be able to get over it i was
like no no no you're back in the wheel you need to um you don't don't keep doing what you're doing
you've got to see that you you find it extremely difficult to be unable it scares you so much
and she just folded her arms and I knew that was it I could have ended it like I only carried on
nice conversation till the end of the session because I knew and then she passed um because
I knew when the call went I said she's not going to understand this this uh deep consciousness play
And there's this game that has rules, if you look closely enough that, you know, there's that outside world. Do we get caught in chemtrails and, you know, Epstein files and getting angry with that? And then Bitcoin, like everyone, you're completely, you know, shouting and sending your emotional energy to charge that system.
but then if you catch yourself it's that's not freedom there's no it's not you're just fighting
and there's an you can't be at peace right so um some people are not ready
you know you brought up uh you mentioned cam trails and epstein and all of that and
there is an interesting irony here with a lot of big partners not every single one
but a lot of them, which is, you know, there's talk about escaping the matrix, right?
That's when you're taking the orange bill and you're out of the fiat matrix.
And if Twitter has anything to go by, which probably isn't,
but I mean, there is a large cacophony of voices on Twitter or X.
You see so many Bitcoiners get caught up in this stuff
and the rage that comes from all these seeming violations of what,
you know, like, yeah, why are they spraying stuff in the sky?
They're trying to kill us.
They're trying to poison our food and water.
Or, oh, yeah, of course they wouldn't release their Steam files.
And who knows what sorts of nonsense is in those files,
what kind of horrors are in there.
And they get caught up in these things.
It's very much part of the Matrix, isn't it?
100% and if you cannot know the truth like you just can't it's just the way it's set up like
you will never know the true no one or it won't you know maybe in a hundred years or thousand
years or whatever but even then who writes the truth how no one can never know the real truth
but what is 100% true is those bitcoiners and myself included uh you know everyone gets
triggered by something um is when you get angry and you fight it like even if it's your thoughts
and your energy the frequency going in you you're not helping your body you are
being brutal you're dumping the anger into your liver you're burning through your minerals you're
it's not healthy and you can't do anything anyway you're you're what triggers the people is it makes
them feel helpless and so in them shouting and uh capital capital letters you know and they they
they feel more able but they are extremely uncomfortable with being unable um so what
you're seeing there is uh are just hamster wheels getting triggered and so if people um when like
jeff booth is very always very calm he when he sees things he understands the system there's no
need to get emotional you just yeah well it's you know this is why this is happening and when you
know sort of more of a higher altitude picture of why something's happened there's no need to get
angry about it so when you get angry and emotional it's because your own wounds are being triggered
yeah i will say though rob and this might sound like the arrogance of a bitcoiner
it really helps that bitcoin exists because if bitcoin didn't and we were seeing all these things
around us, oh man, I mean, I would be in a way worse place. I think what helps me personally
detach is the fact that Bitcoin exists. It's like, okay, yeah, we have an exit. Yes, I acknowledge
that there's darkness, but that's okay. I'm not going to let that consume me. Let's just focus on
what we can do to make things better. I couldn't agree more. If it wasn't for Bitcoin, that's why
you know i put the chapter in my book that's that's why um through understanding the fiat system
we you can understand what bitcoin is and you when it dips down and everyone's selling you can buy
more um you know on the roller coaster the guy you know the meme on the roller coaster you're
just calm because you understand what's taking place so um you know out of uh the fiat system
and the debasement and the the money printing came a thing on the left this non-doing thing
that changes everything and balances the wheel so it was kind of inevitable that bitcoin would come
and be there as a balancing for this completely out of control, broken system.
Rob, you share in, I think it was about the right-wrong wheel.
I think you shared a deeply personal story.
I think where you perceived you attracted a threat to your family.
Do you want to talk about that one?
Yeah.
Was that the one when I had someone come in to my home?
Yeah.
You know, we all have minds and we're all running glitchy software.
And I was always extremely overprotective of my kids and, you know, constantly, you know, monitoring for threat.
I don't know if anyone else can relate to that, but, you know, I'll be at a playground.
I'm like monitoring every movement, every male.
You know, is there a weirdo here?
Is there, you know, any possible danger?
And so I knew I was like that.
And we, you know, we kind of set up and we were very protective, but we invited someone into our home as part of something that was happening over here who is going to help with the project.
and um he there was a moment where you know he's really nice guy and everything but
i i walked into the room one time and his his leg was over lima's leg sort of
spread wide and and i was like like my you know my uh pattern recognition is really good i was like
what that that doesn't that's weird and then the same day he was we were all around lima sylvia
myself and this guy and then he stroked her arm and said you're such a beautiful woman and
immediately i knew then that um you know my gut my gut feeling was was correct that this guy was a
threat so i kind of said in the book that you know i'd tried to you know control any threat
around my family and then i'd invited them in so but i also know that i caught that earlier than
sylvia i knew there was something wrong within the first day and so i told her i went and told
her and it was such a difficult moment what we had to do was keep the girls away from him and then
when he left i uh there was a call that was set up with um sylvia and i said when he calls
at some point he will ask about lima and ask to spend time with her
and towards the end of the call he said oh how's lima um when i come can i take her to the playground
and she looked to me like a bit shaken and um then she asked him where are you staying
and he said i'm staying here so i knew that he if he's a predator he would already be planning
the you know that's what they do they and so i found that he booked an apartment across the road
from the playground and yeah yeah and i kind of um so i knew that in advance i kind of knew like
if he's a predator and so in the end we had to you know tell some people and he was kind of
kicked off the island um or not not welcome back it was extremely difficult and i said that when you
tell him your concerns he will attack he will not be um he won't because if it was a normal like a
normal person like you or i we you we would go oh my god i'm so sorry you know i i would never want
I would never have wanted to make you feel uncomfortable,
but a predator will attack you and say,
you're crazy, and that's what he did.
So it kind of just,
what came out of that was an understanding,
I kind of maybe contradicting myself like I was too protective and I pulled that in But I also know that you can be unaware
And so you can't walk around with your eyes closed.
You have to have some awareness.
It's just a balance.
And so we did a course in child protection online.
I highly recommend if you have kids that you should do it because it's absolutely mind-bending.
and shocking at these statistics that are not talked about.
That's another rabbit hole.
You don't really need to go down it,
but just know that it's not even, you know,
a fraction of what's actually happening is talked about
and how the most important thing is that there's a father figure.
They know which children are not loved.
They're vulnerable.
so they don't know you know it's usually a man so they they um you know single families are
they're ripe for for for for the predator and then if you uh so at a place to be we have a child
protection uh thing on the we'll have a child protection and we will offer it as a as a course
if you come in if you know you we're not forcing anyone but so that predators don't go where people
know about that type of thing they so in educating yourself and educating everyone that is they won't
go there they they just so you you you let people know that you know and the man needs to be with his
kids that's another thing so it's a bit a little bit off track but it's it's um you know it's an
absolutely horrifying story for any parent to hear and it and it the most important thing is the
you know the the family is a loving family that doesn't attract them um and you know if if they
do come close you you tell them you you always you always know what you have to know you never
let your child go to somewhere where you don't know who's there so we always say um you know if
if lima does a sleepover um one of us will uh well sylvia usually go and we always say who will be
there and who are they so you have in knowing and educating yourself the the you know you massively
lower the risk so again it's awareness and understanding the system and the risks
is the understanding is the way to not allow that to happen but in blocking it and not looking at
that that's when you leave yourself open right so let's let's just talk i guess let's change
track here and get back to some happy stuff yeah uh what does you know moving from this finite i
think you call it the finite game an infinite game right yeah um the finite game of winning
and winning and losing and moving from that to the infinite game of authentic living right what
does that look like for a regular person on let's say a tuesday um i can only so if i can give an
example from my actual life that happened quite recently i think i could because i can't really
talk for others but the infinite game is with I realized that with the book I would have to market
it so I started to get worried about it so I'm worrying I hate marketing I hate social media
I don't want to do it but I have to you know that type of conversation that so that's you're in the
game you're you're not in the game you're being run by the game and you're struggling and you're
you feel helpless right and there's conflict and and you're you're trying to use will and
discipline to do something but you're confused about the direction so that's the you know that's
the the matrix so what what i did was well i know what to do is i become i start to watch
this behavior around marketing and i start to map it out i feel unable it's very much to do with
paying attention to being paid attention to you know posting something and then being ignored
will trigger that so also consistency of the marketing i realized that i've never been
consistent so i watched that and what that involves is every day i can purposely focus in on it and
say oh marketing for my business and then the thoughts come up and i can write them down
or I don't normally do that.
I usually go for a walk and I just observe them.
And what happens is each time they come up,
they feel less strong until they don't come up at all.
So that took me a week.
So it didn't come up and I'd gone blank on it, nothing coming up.
And then I'm in the shower and I suddenly have the thought,
do you remember that marketer guy that you found
that was completely the opposite of what everyone did.
It's really counterintuitive.
I need to use that guy as my advisor on Claude.
It wasn't my mind thinking about it.
It just came up.
It was a creative thought out of nothing.
It wasn't based on the wheels.
And so what I did was I immediately went and said,
hey, I want you to be this marketer.
And I gave it a prompt.
And I said, can you be my advisor? And, you know, I put that in the project. And then he gave me, you know, he said, when you should do this and stop doing that. And I want you to do you do this every day. And I did it and I'm doing it.
And without any discipline or difficulty, it's an absolute enjoyment.
So I've gone from hating it to enjoying it with no discipline.
That's what it looks like.
Yeah, love it.
So Rob, if there is one message, right, like the single most important realization you hope anyone reading,
or actually everyone reading glitch takes away what would it be oh that's a tricky one i i for
me i i don't know if people really can get this but i've come to understand that i create my reality
so my from the admin from that coding i create my reality so if i don't if i'm struggling and i'm
unhappy and I'm distracted and I'm fearful it's not out there it's coming from my coding
which is like a VR game creating this reality in front of me that is my experience so
when there's something that's you know the marketing or silver comes to me
and there's a problem with the the project or this or that or we're worried about limo or something
we go in and do the work and in doing so it changes the outcome i had a client
from la yesterday telling me she's kind of giggling and she said my husband's changed
he's becoming more supportive of me and it's weird and and i said yeah but i told you it's
inevitable if you play the game you change the code the game changes you're able to move from
stuck levels where you keep repeating the same behavior you it changes your reality that's why
i want people to understand so she has a husband that she hasn't told anything she's changed
through her own work he's now giving her and she feels uncomfortable with it and so i suppose what
i want people to realize is you're not helpless it's a game start to play the game it's it's so
amazing and wonderful and you don't have to trust me i'm just pointing a finger i've found this
the mind seems to work as a open source protocol of five programs you can use that or don't just
start to observe your behaviors and the more you understand them the more they will you will be
free and your life will completely change and the life out there is either hell or heaven
So if you want heaven on earth and be peaceful and free, then the only way towards that is this work and stacking sats.
Indeed. Rob, so where can people get the book? If they want to pay in sats, if they want to pay in fiat, where would they go?
So the website is www.glitchthebook.co. I have an instant download paid in lightning. I also have links to Amazon. There's a quiz on there forward slash quiz where you can go straight away now and find out which side of the hamster wheel you're on.
and then you get a guide to get you started,
show you where you are and what you need to do.
So the book you can get Kindle, paperback and hardback
and I also do my email daily, which I think is very valuable
and you can sign up for that at robbrinder.com.
Great.
Anything else you'd like to share, Rob?
How can the audience support your work apart from buying the book itself?
Yeah, just support my work is doing it themselves.
So don't buy the book and not read it.
Like take responsibility, you know, and the more you work on yourself, the more you change the world.
So that's how they could support me is just by actually doing the work.
And, you know, if you get something out of it, pop on Noster and say something about the book.
So others will spend their energy on something that's priceless.
Apart from Bitcoin.
Excellent.
And let me just say, I'm really excited for the years to come to see the humans that are kind of created at a place to be.
And then in unison with the Citadel Garden, because a lot of your work is discussing that inner child and the unschooling aspect of things.
I always wonder what would...
would I be like if I was unschooled? And, you know, and how much would that affect my hamster
wheel over time? It's just a very unique, interesting kind of case study over time.
So I'm very much looking forward to the long game on this.
Yeah, QW, that's, I was just talking with Sylvia about it. My daughter this morning,
she went with some friends who are both my daughters to dog walking. We walk the dogs
at a local pound while the other kids who are all unschooled go surfing and then they played at the
beach and then they came back here and have um they were dancing doing choreograph then lego
then they went down to the pool and they have laughed they've been laughing all day and i said
I said what is that doing They stacking laughter I said their brains are not they not at school being suppressed and forced into mind numbing you know mechanical learning and having to do tests
And you can see the difference between the kids schooling, like when they're together, people go, how's your daughter?
What? She talks to me like she's an adult, like not in a rude way, but she respects herself.
And I'm excited. When I look at the schooling system, I just wonder what I would have become if I hadn't of, you know, if I'd spent all my childhood playing and learning through experiencing and problem solving.
I, you know, QW, I talk to a lot of people and it brings up quite a lot of sadness for the adults when they wonder what could have been.
But all I can do now is love my daughter and be there and allow her to be self in her learning and you know allow her to be who she is and and that what we doing in a place to be people can do what they
want you know we don't there's no forcing but there is a community of like-minded people who
are very loving and who respect children and treat them as they would an adult and that allows
children to flourish in freedom as sylvia says i would say hi rob hi hello how you doing
the other co-host uh my two and a half year old
rob the question to ask is would you have been the author of glitch the book no i wouldn't if
No, right.
Yeah.
Avi you just come in there with some absolute some altitude of wisdom there Yeah If I hadn gone through the pain I went through I would have never produced the book So you quite it could never have been another way
Yeah. Life happened for you, Rob.
Yeah.
As it does for everyone.
True. Very true.
Well, listen, Rob, really appreciate you coming back to the show, sharing your wisdom once again.
I thoroughly enjoyed reading Glitch.
I would urge everyone listening to check it out.
We will put up the links in the show notes.
Please get Rob's book.
It will change your life.
I guarantee it.
Thanks, Rob.
Yeah, thank you very much.
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