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Welcome to Pleb Chain Radio, a live show brought to you by Plebs for Plebs, which focuses

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on the intersection of NOSTER and Bitcoin protocols.

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Join QW and Avi as they run down the weekly news and developments, breaking down the current

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thing and the future frontier with the foundation of decentralization, the builders, thinkers,

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doers, and plebs.

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All right, we are live.

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Welcome, gentle pioneers, to the Lightning Laced Airwaves.

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Today is Friday the 10th of October, and it is 1.17pm on the East Coast of the United States.

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At the time of recording, this is episode 132 of Pleb Chain Radio, and it promises to be a good one.

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Rob Brindad, author of the brand new mind-bending book, Glitch, returns to the show to talk about that and much, much more.

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And a reminder, folks, if you are listening to the show on Apple or Spotify, first of all, thank you for listening.

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The show is streamed live on zap.stream, I think, and any other Noster client that supports streaming such as Amethyst, Noster, Fountain, and indeed, Primal.

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And one more thing, folks.

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The Prague episode of my travel show, Finding Home, is now available for streaming on IndieHub.

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It went live on Tuesday this week.

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And I have a special surprise for our listeners, only for listeners of the show.

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You can use the code PIONEERCHAIN21 for 21% off the streaming cost on IndieHub.

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and QW, you've been paying attention to Bitcoin and NostiCulture this week.

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What have you witnessed?

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Avi, that episode is actually streaming on Zap.Stream

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from SirSleepy's account.

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So I'm rugged again.

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I can only hope that he will share some of those Zaps with me.

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You really will in that Pioneer.

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Pioneer chain is the promo code, or the discount code, I suppose.

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All right.

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Hey, I did notice something that I've been kind of waiting for.

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It was announced, I think, last, like a couple of days ago.

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Looks like the Square terminals are going to be initiating, I think, November 10th.

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We'll be accepting Bitcoin.

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I'm curious about that.

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Are you familiar with anybody that uses Square terminals, Avi?

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Well, I am, but they're all in New York State where there is no lightning on Cash App.

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So that Square is as good as, the Square Terminal is as good as a brick that accepts fiat currency.

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Yeah. So my wife uses it. I'm very curious.

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So I'm going to have to, I'll have to test that on that date and see what kind of hurdles we, you know, you want it to be frictionless, right?

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So we'll see how that goes.

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But that's been the big news of the week.

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I think it was probably shared the most was that announcement.

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So good stuff there.

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Nostra Valley 2.0, they did drop the agenda.

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Are you going, Avi?

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I will not be able to attend Nostra Valley, unfortunately.

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My son's soccer season is in the playoff stage, so I need to be here.

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Okay, so that's confirmed.

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Avi will be there.

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So, yeah.

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So October 18th, next Saturday, State College PA.

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The agenda dropped.

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Looks like there's going to be the usual suspects, maybe Derek, Heather, Open Mike, friends of the show, even Arkanox I saw is on the agenda.

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I've actually met him a few times.

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So a lot of people that have been on the PCR show, the Pioneer Chain Radio, Avi.

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So it's good to see.

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I hope there's some fresh minds, fresh ideas, you know, some bullishness going on in the Noster world.

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So I'm very curious about how the turnout is year over year.

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So it's something to watch.

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And anybody in the Pennsylvania State College area or in the region itself, drive down.

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Go say what's up to the fellow Nostrages.

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And that's it for Culture Corner, Avi.

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I do want to talk in my sermon today.

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And it's really a reflection of kind of what I've been witnessing or watching in the past few months.

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I mean, whether it's the factions of the core versus knots, the people kind of injecting their own personal beliefs or emotions into protocols.

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It's something I've kind of looked into.

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And this is especially people that are really in touch.

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So it tapped into the Nostra world or the Twitter world or they're, you know, they spend a lot of their online, a lot of their lives online in this online community, this digital playground.

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So the sermon today is Owning Your Freedom Mindset.

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My journey through freedom technology has ignited a deep passion for change.

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I'm captivated by the potential of Bitcoin and Nostra protocol.

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And I often find myself frustrated, wondering why others, normies as I call them, can't see the truth that seems so clear to me, plain as day.

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Then it hit me.

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Bitcoin and Nostra don't need me to champion them.

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Their true strength will emerge when we need them.

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I see narratives forming self-proclaimed main characters advocating for protocol updates, tweaks, or overhauls.

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All fueled by the bullish case for Bitcoin.

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But the protocols stand resolute, unshaken.

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The real change isn't needed in the code, it's needed in us.

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It turns out that you are the one who needs the shift, not protocols.

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Too often we project our insecurities, short-term thinking, or grandiose ideas onto these impartial decentralized systems.

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This realization grounds me, pulling me back to the heart of their mission.

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Diversity of thought is inevitable, yet our shared purpose, crafting tools for true freedom, holds unparalleled power.

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Let go of the illusion that Bitcoin or Nostra depends on your advocacy.

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We're building the foundation for a future where these protocols will thrive,

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not because we force their adoption,

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but because they'll shine brightest when the world needs them the most.

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True empowerment comes when necessity drives change,

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and that's the legacy we're creating today.

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What do you think, Avi?

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Yeah, and the time will come when they are needed.

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Well said, QW.

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And with that, I think it's time to welcome our guest back to the show, Rob Brindett.

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Welcome back.

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Thanks, Harvey.

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Love the, did you call it a sermon?

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QW?

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Yes.

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Yeah, we're spreading the gospel.

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I love that.

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Change from within.

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It's oftentimes, you know, your reality is a mirror.

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so it's really about you

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not your perception

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100%

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So Rob, first and foremost

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congratulations on the release

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of your new book

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Glitch, how has the reception been so far?

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the reception's been really good

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my first book

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was like my first attempt

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probably not the best written. And, you know, I learned a lot from that. And this one's been

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a year in the writing. And I'm very, very pleased with it, because I think what I wanted to do was

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create something that people could use immediately to for themselves. So it's each and every one of

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us are self-sovereign and our own authority. And so the only way to be free is to take responsibility

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and do the work yourself. You can't follow anyone. So I wanted the book to be there as a sort of

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open protocol or a framework to help people do the work. And what I'm seeing, you know,

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in the meat space because I have friends or people I know that have been buying it and

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clients and they're like, wow, you know, immediately it's changing me, how I interact

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with my family, with the garage owner, you know, even physical pain and stress.

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And then online I'm seeing people posting things even with the core knots debate like

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you're caught in your hamster wheel. And so I think there's a, because it's something that I've

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seen to be true, and then I have tested it and seen it to be true with many clients and others,

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then it seems to be, you know, there's this thing in the mind that can be seen. And then

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And everyone immediately can relate to that.

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So in terms of marketing, everyone's doing it for me.

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So, yeah, it's going to be a marathon.

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This is my life's work.

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So I'm jumping on podcasts when I can and getting the message out there.

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The people don't need to suffer.

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You know, you can hold your own keys.

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You can hold your own, you know, inner child.

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so to speak, and resolve your own glitchy coding.

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So Rob, we'll dig into your book in a lot more detail,

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but I want to focus on something you said,

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which is, you know, you've written your second book, right?

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And your mind has wandered back to your first book.

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And it's sort of looking at it saying,

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oh, you know, I could have done a better job or whatever.

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By the way, I loved your first book, right?

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But it's interesting that you're, you know, once,

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obviously with the second book,

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your writing would have improved.

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It's only natural, right?

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When you've spent time writing, you do improve.

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And then you look back at your prior work.

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Have you considered writing a second edition saying,

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ah, you know what?

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I could have written this.

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Knowing what I know now, let me go back

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and fix those little things that are annoying me

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about the first one.

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I think when I was, I have thought about doing that,

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but and I may do that but what I excited about is is this work now the you know helping people to understand how their minds work

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And so the other book was more my musings a little bit on, first of all,

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my journey into understanding how, you know, everything's interrelated

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and, you know, you must be looking at the mind when it comes to the body.

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So it is important, but it was much more of a take on how Bitcoin is this yin energy that changes people.

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And so I may come back to it.

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As you said, I think once you've written a second book, then you start to become more comfortable.

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I've started writing daily that I write every day of the week, sort of an email and I post it on Nostra.

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And I'm enjoying that and I'm getting good feedback.

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So again, it's that cumulative effect of writing and stacking words

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that I feel is bringing out the writer in me.

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So I'm observing my behavior about the first book.

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Yeah, and I ask Rob because I find myself in the exact same boat.

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After having finished my second book, which is now in editing now,

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I've actually, I've sort of taken, I've gone back, taken the first book and I'm rewriting it.

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I'm halfway through the second edition of the first book and I know the feeling exactly.

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Awesome.

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Is it going to be called 25?

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It's a thought for sure.

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so what i mean i guess what what i would like to know because i mean i'm i'm i'm not an author i'm

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someone that uh you know i'm i'm in awe when people can sit down and uh uh build this project

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out think about it you said you've been writing it for a year now rob yeah yeah so when when you

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finally, you know, when it finally goes to editor, the editor, and maybe to print, I mean, what?

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That's it. I mean, there's no changing it after that. So how hard is it to click send?

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So what I found, it was fascinating. So I started reading, I started writing, and then I saw

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like an unable, like, I watch my behavior very carefully. And so when I start something new,

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it's going to bring up new awareness to deep conditioning.

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So it brought up old conditioning from school, you know, not good enough and stuff.

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So I had to kind of work through that and I do that by and I explain how I do that in the book.

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So I kind of went through, you know, sort of some rough patches where maybe things dried up.

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But those were important for me to work through and then explain in the book when I was writing it.

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When it came to the final, what I thought was kind of the first final, I gave it to people.

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People cried, but it was a mess.

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It's like when I talk, I'm kind of a bit dyslexic.

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But people who like that style of writing, they found it extremely emotional.

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but I realized I gave everything away in the first chapter and so working with an with an editor

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I had to really start to think actually I don't want to give it away in the first chapter I need

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to explain it you know sort of a la Jeff Booth like this point goes to this point and I don't

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want people coming to point three and going huh where did he jump from here so I wanted to take

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the very logical people very you know the skeptics and explain step by step and I did that a little

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bit by explaining my own experiences as a kid and I edited it 10 I did more than 10 edits like

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I went through it and then I went through it and then I finally self-published and then someone

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said to me oh there's a big mistake and I hadn't seen it I've been through it again and again so I

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had to go through it again and and completely re-upload and republish and then some I printed

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it and then someone said all the things wrong and I had to republish six or seven times so when it

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came to the editing part it was the most it was the best learning experience for me because I went

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through that book line by line by line and made sure that it was as good as as as good as I thought

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it could be and then when I launched it I was exhausted like it it was much more demanding than

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thought it could ever be someone said it's like giving birth but I didn't tell my wife that

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but I was exhausted and I took a holiday went to Paris and I really realized that I was physically

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drained from it but I knew I had to I was excited beyond words because I feel like I have something

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here that is important and for other people and you know it's helped me massively in my clients

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but I want people to be able to have access to it for you know like 10 bucks on a kindle and then

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they can immediately go away and they're there it's like they have their own keys you know they

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can they don't need a guru or a therapist they can start working on themselves

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so Rob you were last on the show on November 1st of 2024 so almost a year ago for episode 85

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and one of the things we talked about was your work with a place to be right the unschooling

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venture that you've started in Madeira with with your wife yeah what what's what's been happening

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with a place to be in the last year okay so I I don't know if it was about that time but I kind

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of stepped back I told I said Sylvia you're the boss here you you need to run with this in you

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know it's not good as a I don't think as good as a couple working on the same thing um you know you

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you two CEOs type thing she was the she it was her dream and and she her drive was there right

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I could see it so I kind of step back and I I am her you know advisor when it comes to concerns

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and worries we we do um you know hamster wheel work when she has a something um you know she

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she needs to work on so she's been driving this she's done amazingly well we we have um

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sylvia and the place to be has merged with citadel gardens and they have um just recently

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bought the land that we've been preparing for for months uh all of us and the founders working on

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there with chainsaws and clearing tools to get the topography done um so we have a 500 000 meter

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squared piece of beautiful um like semi-rain forest forest with the most spectacular view

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of the end of the island um and so we're at we're at the point of just getting um

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getting planning permission to go ahead and the projects.

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I don't know if I talked about it, how big the project was back then,

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but now, you know, it's going to be 25 houses,

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spa, gym, barbecue sites.

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AI and robotics lab, horses, cattle.

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There'll be an organic farm, an outdoor creek, swimming pool.

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You name it, it'll be there.

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Sauna.

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And so it's because of the amazing joining with Citadel Gardens, we've become a part of a decentralized community of like-minded people, mainly Bitcoiners.

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that, you know, there's places, I think there's a place in Georgia, there's Croatia,

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we're looking at South America, possibly Vietnam, possibly Namibia, there's an island off

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Alaska that are going to be like decentralized communities. And Madeira is very much an

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unschooling community and so we've already got a lot of people signing up for that so

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it's gone from Sylvia's small idea of a place where the community comes together and

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children learn as part of a community and they're completely free and self-directed

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so it takes a village you know community to raise kids and so people have really warmed

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and they love the idea and they see you know obviously the problem with the schooling system

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so it's it's uh it sells itself it's like you know the meme you know take my money is people are

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you know absolutely uh want it want to come on board and and obviously it's because of sylvia's

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there's no bullshit

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passion play and so

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when she talks about it

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all the mothers get it and in

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that get it and they're Bitcoiners

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and they have to try and persuade their wives

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that I've seen that quite a

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It's the husbands getting into Bitcoin first and then the mums.

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And it seems to be the same here.

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It's a great project, Rob.

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I'm really looking forward to it.

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I'm reading about Citadel Garden right now on their website.

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It's pretty amazing stuff there.

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Is that Rahim's company, Rob?

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that's correct okay yeah and rahim's in croatia portugal uh that's the one underway i see the

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over i'm going to put this uh link in the show notes too because that's that's i think it's

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really neat for anybody listening to to visualize this yeah there's a lot more with citadel garden

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So Raheem's a really smart guy and he's kind of doing the sailor play, which is using fiat to buy hard assets with Bitcoin loans.

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And so it's super smart and he's got lots of other ideas.

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But when he looks at a location so you can there will be a possibility I think just to stay you know um come and stay at some of the places for two weeks but if you want to join and join the fund then you

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get um you you know you you can literally move between sites um you know you put a certain amount

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of Bitcoin, you do a call with Sylvia and you put a certain amount of Bitcoin into the fund

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and then you get access to all the sites. So, and there's, yeah, so dig into the site.

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Sylvia knows more about it than I do, but just super grateful for Rahim and his partner

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who saw the, you know, obviously the value in A Place to Be. And I think A Place to Be is going to

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really you know the the it's a very special project and it's going to make um citadel gardens even more

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special yeah for sure rob uh and i had a couple of really good conversations with rahim i met him

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in prague earlier this year and then he was in paraguay last month um we spent some time talking

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about all of these things. Great guy, for sure. So let's sort of dig a little bit into your book,

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Rob. You've talked about the core thesis just now, but you have some primary inspirations,

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people who have inspired you, right, in this book. There's Krishnamurti, there's Gabor Mate,

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there's Marley Robbins, and Paul Cech. Now, for folks who are unfamiliar with them, I personally

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know of Krishnamurti and Gabor Mate.

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I've studied that.

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But the other two I'm unfamiliar with.

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So do you want to maybe talk about briefly about each of them,

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what their primary philosophy is and how it inspired the book?

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So I talked about Paul.

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I studied with Paul in the 90s.

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And he, when I was working in elite sport, I thought I was the dog's bollocks.

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and so you know I'd walk into a conference with my initials on my tracksuit from you know the

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pro club where I was at and I went to a conference someone told me about Paul Cech who's from San

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Diego and he gave a talk and I it was like it was a slap in the face I realized that I knew

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1% of what he was talking about. And also, he was looking at how the emotions affect the

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limbic system. He was talking about how scars affect the body. I was like,

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you know, I'd never learned anything about this at uni. And so I studied with him in depth for

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a number of years and he helped me to understand the connection between the mind and the body

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and to you know and and kind of that mind body spirit connection in terms of high performance

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and he worked with you know a lot of the very famous athletes and he was using this methodology

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with them and so I I dived in that and he really helped me really flourish in sport and you know I

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took a lot of his stuff and then I started branching out and taking other like the French

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posterology system I studied in Paris with Dr. Bernard Brico so he's the one that sort of

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took me to the next level so I talked about him in the book and I really appreciate that

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Krishnamurti, I was looking for an answer to why I couldn't change

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with all the work I had done and I was working with people

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I was getting amazing results

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I was also seeing some clients that weren't changing

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as in their deep personality

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so maybe they were an addict

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I resolved the drive for, say, alcohol, but they'd come back a year later and the same patterns were there.

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And so I remember asking, I said, there's something I'm missing here.

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Please, you know, this is what I do personally.

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I kind of just say, I want to know what this is now.

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And I send it out there.

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I'm not talking too woo-woo.

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I just have this deep knowing that when I'm ready to receive the information, I receive it.

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Like, you know, the teacher arrives and I was took a few months and I was really watching, you know, seeing it more and more in my clients.

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And then I a video of Christian Murthy popped up and it was just a short one and something clicked inside.

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And I got this feeling that I know that, you know, my hairs go up and I go, that's it.

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And I deep dived on his work.

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And immediately when I understood as much as I could, because Krishnamurti's work is profound, I understood at my level.

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And I knew that I had to start to observe my own behavior.

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so I actually started doing that first of all when I started writing my first book so I've been

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doing it for quite a while and and what what I realized was um I was observing and then I was

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observing with my clients and it started and I talk about it in the book and I find it fascinating

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that I started to really listen to my clients and pick out words and see patterns and then I started

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drawing it out on a whiteboard with my clients and then I started to see these kind of rules

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and these laws and they were um uh reproducible in every client and I could I started to see that

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some people were on the right of this circle and some people on the left and depending on their

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struggles or you know it could be an elite Olympic athlete it could have been a cleaner I don't you

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know i quite like variety in my work but it um i saw this pattern emerging and i the more i went

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into it the more i started to realize that it seemed like there are just these five programs in

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running on this sort of open protocol which is the mind and everyone has is running the same

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conditioned protocol and it works like a hamster wheel and i started to talk to people about this

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And it changed them. It changed them quite quickly. And it changed me massively.

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So with Krishnamurti, what I think I've done, and this might be blasphemous and I might be way off the mark,

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is David Bohm, the Einstein student who was close with Krishnamurti,

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He kind of was slightly critical at some point and said that Krishnamurti's work is so deep and complex that it's very difficult to understand.

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That's David Bohm's work, Discourse.

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and what I've done for myself and others

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I think I've given an easier framework by seeing these patterns

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and they help to show you the illusion that is the mind

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and that it is, as David Bohm says

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it's just like a computer with scripts

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and they're not intelligent

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and they're very mechanical

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and they just run on loops

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and so when people can see them for what they are

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and not get caught in them, then they can be free, truly free.

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So Christian Murthy is, oh man, I'd love to have met him.

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Fortunately, there's quite a lot of content of his on the web,

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but fundamentally it comes down to you have to observe yourself,

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your own self, to understand it, to be free.

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And I think with Morley Robbins,

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he made me understand the importance of how our minerals make up the battery so I've always known

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the body is an electrical battery and I introduced Meridian work and Tai Chi Chi Gong into

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kind of the premiership with Chelsea and I brought in an acupuncturist back in the 90s

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And that was seen as woo-woo and I was mocked.

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But now that's mainstream.

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All sports teams.

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I've even seen people using some, you know, like cleaning the energy of a basketball court.

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It's sort of much more open and talked about.

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But back in the day, it was, you know, I was in the closet with the energy work.

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and but uh now it's kind of um douglas wallace dr douglas wallace the lead mitochondrial

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researcher in the world american amazing guy um i watched one of his lectures and at the end

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he flippantly says oh and i'm opening up a clinic in china because i believe the mitochondrial

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system is the meridian system and i was like what and so you know you um so with morley

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made me understand that he is a researcher in minerals. But when he started talking about fear

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attracts iron, iron is the most pro-oxidant element in the universe. And the fantastic science TM

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had decided to add iron filings to our food system and fortify it. And this thing is,

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it rusts us from the inside so the the chapter that i put in on minerals was to help people

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understand that if you're not getting enough minerals in your food which we're not

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and with pesticides that are chelating some of the minerals like copper

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and and you know processed foods and things that will have an effect on the mind

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And when you get into that area, you can see that the pharma, the pharma industry really is not seeing the body as what it is, which is a complex system.

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you know um it's like the fed thinking that they control the levers of the economy and

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so i i've kind of morley helped me step back again to understand that the body is

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is holistic it's it's um very complex and if you add things that are not natural if you're not

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balancing it you know like a garden then you're going to pay the price you're going to gain

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something but as with the hamster wheels you're going to lose.

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And there was Gabor Mate as well Yeah I love Gabor When I was working with when I was explaining with the Krishnamurti I started drawing the circles and starting to see the patterns One client or a few clients asked me why why why do why is this behavior there And that I caught that question I thought that a very good question And again I asked I need to work that out

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one of the sessions I talk about in the book I drew the big circle I started plotting the behavior

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and then I drew a little circle in the bottom left hand corner and the client said what's that

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and I said I don't know and but I knew that there was something there and then a few days later I

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watched a very short clip of Gabby and I've read his books before that but something clicked again

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And he said all behaviors, all aberrant behaviors and addictions comes from that initial trauma of the disconnect with the family, the parents.

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And that clicked.

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And then, you know, if you've got a lot of experience in something and then someone just gives you that little key, it kind of just instantly connects all the dots.

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And then you go, oh, that's why. And so I started to draw in that little circle my client's first name, but in small letter because it signifies them as a little child.

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And the script, the program that was created at the time is remarkable. So there's the compassion that Gabor Mate talks about.

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he says you you need to understand that your the the programs came no other way and show compassion

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and that that helped me explain to my clients that when they're seeing these patterns that we all have

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whoever you are you're being driven by the mind and the mind is a defense mechanism or system

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the operating system that is a defense system trying to get you love but it's it's a plastic

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love and it's not getting your needs met and you're focused on being valuable and that's because

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that disconnect signifies worthlessness in when you're a little child so part of the

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that i talk about in the book is understanding that the the little child that wrote your

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programming you need to treat that child with compassion and in doing so in trusting

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and giving trust to that little child that enables the programs to dissolve

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and and the book rob has four parts right it's uh you start with the awakening

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then you map the operating system which is the five hamster wheels then you talk about the

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solution which you call the admin mode and then you talk about the broader implications which you

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call the living free section.

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I feel like in your last appearance,

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we talked a lot about the awakening, right?

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You told us a story about the Chelsea player

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who's weight shifted.

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So I would urge anyone listening,

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check out episode 85 of Plep Chain Radio.

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We cover a lot of the section one.

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Presumably, Rob, you were working on it, right?

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It must've been simmering.

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You must've been writing

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when we spoke about a year ago.

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this bit.

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00:38:44,135 --> 00:38:44,275
But

434
00:38:44,275 --> 00:38:46,856
let's maybe

435
00:38:46,856 --> 00:38:48,795
let's just talk about one of the premises

436
00:38:48,795 --> 00:38:51,436
that I, in reading the book that I saw

437
00:38:51,436 --> 00:38:51,956
which is

438
00:38:51,956 --> 00:38:55,095
people see this as a rigged game.

439
00:38:55,575 --> 00:38:57,095
Like life as a rigged game.

440
00:38:57,155 --> 00:38:57,936
Everything is rigged.

441
00:38:58,456 --> 00:39:00,835
And you say the more

442
00:39:00,835 --> 00:39:02,416
empowering perspective

443
00:39:02,416 --> 00:39:06,635
you know, it's

444
00:39:06,635 --> 00:39:08,815
seeing it and sort of exiting it, right?

445
00:39:08,916 --> 00:39:10,755
Instead of trying to fix the

446
00:39:10,755 --> 00:39:18,095
what's rigged itself right the awareness of the rig game is what is what helps uh

447
00:39:18,095 --> 00:39:31,495
not trying to fix the things that make it rigged yeah yeah um so when the the the code the coded

448
00:39:31,495 --> 00:39:41,255
programs or the these operating systems let's say able and unable so um you we all want to be able

449
00:39:41,255 --> 00:39:52,896
to be free and able more able to win and gain and um if the more you try and energize that and react

450
00:39:52,896 --> 00:39:58,235
to it so you don't think you're able enough so you you spend all your time trying to be better

451
00:39:58,235 --> 00:40:07,896
it has an opposite effect so you you create an unableness so if you're balanced if you're

452
00:40:07,896 --> 00:40:12,876
that didn't i didn't explain that way if you're if you're based on the left so you're left-sided

453
00:40:12,876 --> 00:40:18,976
dweller which means that you lack confidence you're probably a bit of a people pleaser you support

454
00:40:18,976 --> 00:40:27,095
others um you want to be able but you feel unable and so that's more of a yin feminine energy and

455
00:40:27,095 --> 00:40:28,115
It's a non-doing.

456
00:40:28,896 --> 00:40:35,735
And that actually feeling unable and wrong and ignored is actually safe for you.

457
00:40:35,856 --> 00:40:41,155
That's the child programming kind of unconsciously that you stay there and you stay safe.

458
00:40:41,635 --> 00:40:47,295
So you're kind of fearful of success and you never fail because you never do anything.

459
00:40:48,035 --> 00:40:55,735
So the more that client, let's say, or I'm more like that, me personally, the more I try and be able,

460
00:40:55,735 --> 00:41:02,976
the more I'm unable the more it's just because it's a closed system the more I try and affect

461
00:41:02,976 --> 00:41:09,195
change and become better I've seen it cycle so many times that I just end up feeling unable

462
00:41:09,195 --> 00:41:16,775
nothing ever changes if you're on the right you're you're very able you support yourself and you like

463
00:41:16,775 --> 00:41:24,035
to be supported you always think you're right and you need to constantly do and work to be valuable

464
00:41:24,035 --> 00:41:32,315
in the eyes of others and your worst nightmare is to flip to the left and be unable but inevitably

465
00:41:32,315 --> 00:41:38,956
the wheel always corrects itself because that you're jammed up on both sides so the person on

466
00:41:38,956 --> 00:41:45,495
the right is extremely fearful of failure and so that drives them always you can see it in Michael

467
00:41:45,495 --> 00:41:53,495
Jordan as an extreme or Ronaldo or to Esther Sloan but there are just degrees of it but you can never

468
00:41:53,495 --> 00:41:58,815
stop and you will i always get that client when they swing back the other side and they

469
00:41:58,815 --> 00:42:08,376
attract a disease or or depression or they're a complete burnout and so on an individual level

470
00:42:08,376 --> 00:42:13,476
changing yourself will never work because the program underneath is controlling it and then

471
00:42:13,476 --> 00:42:21,195
when it comes to um i'm gonna go and say the israel situation because it's just popped into

472
00:42:21,195 --> 00:42:33,055
I'm not going to go, I'm not taking a side or other, but what I've seen is that if you look at Israel, what they've always tried to do is they've said never again.

473
00:42:33,735 --> 00:42:37,595
So they've put everything in place to keep themselves safe.

474
00:42:38,436 --> 00:42:42,055
Right. So APAC and controlling the narratives.

475
00:42:42,055 --> 00:42:45,535
And I can see why they're doing that.

476
00:42:45,535 --> 00:42:54,535
However, in doing that, you can now see that people are becoming aware of what they've done to try and stay safe.

477
00:42:55,135 --> 00:42:59,195
And you can see a narrative change, which means they're being blamed for everything.

478
00:43:00,555 --> 00:43:11,555
And so that's one example of they're trying to, ironically, in trying to keep themselves safe, they're going to make themselves more vulnerable.

479
00:43:11,555 --> 00:43:18,815
um i can you know there are many different things well actually can we pause on that one rob because

480
00:43:18,815 --> 00:43:24,235
maybe we can use a different example right but but the same framework of trying to say stay safe

481
00:43:24,235 --> 00:43:30,795
which which then creates that unsafeness how does one solve that other i mean well actually

482
00:43:30,795 --> 00:43:34,675
especially at a collective level right you mentioned the country maybe at an individual

483
00:43:34,675 --> 00:43:39,755
level i think last time you were here you said just the awareness itself of the hamster wheel

484
00:43:39,755 --> 00:43:40,995
is what dissolves it.

485
00:43:41,215 --> 00:43:43,015
But how does that work at a collective level?

486
00:43:43,015 --> 00:43:45,356
Well, so I haven't really...

487
00:43:45,356 --> 00:43:47,055
So if I was to look at that situation,

488
00:43:47,515 --> 00:43:52,376
you can see that because there was so much trauma with Israel

489
00:43:52,376 --> 00:43:56,015
and what happened with the Jewish people,

490
00:43:56,735 --> 00:43:57,896
they said never again.

491
00:43:58,595 --> 00:44:00,515
So instead of dealing with the trauma,

492
00:44:01,195 --> 00:44:04,075
they went into defense and attack.

493
00:44:04,555 --> 00:44:05,396
So it became...

494
00:44:05,396 --> 00:44:07,135
They said, we will go out of our way

495
00:44:07,135 --> 00:44:09,135
and we will defend so hard.

496
00:44:09,135 --> 00:44:19,075
There was no understanding and going into forgiveness and observing their trauma and that they were reacting to the trauma.

497
00:44:20,135 --> 00:44:33,856
And so they created this extreme right-sided, you know, anyone who criticizes is cancelled, you know, to an extreme, you know, assassination.

498
00:44:34,376 --> 00:44:38,235
You know, Mossad's very good at assassinating threats to Israel.

499
00:44:38,235 --> 00:44:44,815
and so in doing so they're defending themselves but they've actually created more more danger

500
00:44:44,815 --> 00:44:49,476
because everyone's hating them for their what they've been doing and they've only been trying

501
00:44:49,476 --> 00:44:56,735
to keep themselves safe so what i think they um should do is start to instead of attacking to

502
00:44:56,735 --> 00:45:04,695
defend is to observe their own aggressiveness and why they're so angry and aggressive why they're so

503
00:45:04,695 --> 00:45:13,175
fearful underneath because it's fear right and then look at the fear and start to reconcile that

504
00:45:13,175 --> 00:45:20,396
and and in understanding that they're fearful a dog when it's scared attacks and bites right

505
00:45:20,396 --> 00:45:27,315
so in understanding they're fearful but quite rightly because of the way people have said you

506
00:45:27,315 --> 00:45:32,356
know and what they've done then on a collective level they need to on an you know each individual

507
00:45:32,356 --> 00:45:43,035
person maybe on a collective say look we need to forgive what happened and be more loving and

508
00:45:43,035 --> 00:45:50,396
compassionate to our neighbors and you know it's a bit corny but when you start to compassion comes

509
00:45:50,396 --> 00:45:57,476
from understanding so if you understand your own hamster wheels and the fear that drives them

510
00:45:57,476 --> 00:46:04,115
and you know this aggressive action then you'll understand your neighbors and so in understanding

511
00:46:04,115 --> 00:46:10,535
that they're also fearful and attacking because of you know hatred then that's the only way that

512
00:46:10,535 --> 00:46:17,356
that can be solved so on an individual level each person and me included when I see that situation

513
00:46:17,356 --> 00:46:25,835
I work on myself if I if I see something terrible on social media and I feel angry I work on my own

514
00:46:25,835 --> 00:46:33,195
trauma that is the only way to change the world is to work on your own trauma because as you can

515
00:46:33,195 --> 00:46:40,615
see it hasn't really worked with religion and other modes of trying to bring about peace

516
00:46:40,615 --> 00:46:46,476
because we've had wars for thousands of years so i would say and you know on a collective level

517
00:46:46,476 --> 00:46:52,396
could it work quite possibly if the um you know if people are

518
00:46:52,447 --> 00:46:55,007
hopefully you're still hearing me

519
00:46:55,007 --> 00:46:57,247
yep

520
00:46:57,247 --> 00:46:58,627
yeah

521
00:46:58,627 --> 00:46:59,587
and

522
00:46:59,587 --> 00:47:02,927
so I hadn't really thought about that but that's

523
00:47:02,927 --> 00:47:04,927
how it would work maybe in South

524
00:47:04,927 --> 00:47:06,167
Africa you know they did

525
00:47:06,167 --> 00:47:07,907
a

526
00:47:07,907 --> 00:47:10,967
you know like a coming

527
00:47:10,967 --> 00:47:12,087
together and apologies

528
00:47:12,087 --> 00:47:15,047
for the atrocities

529
00:47:15,047 --> 00:47:17,167
done and people had to listen

530
00:47:17,167 --> 00:47:18,687
to the trauma that

531
00:47:18,687 --> 00:47:21,107
others had created and that was

532
00:47:21,107 --> 00:47:28,467
amazing but then you have a fiat system that um you know is reinforcing the hamster wheels and

533
00:47:28,467 --> 00:47:36,367
some some people are uh closest to the spigot and they are doing fine the small percentage and the

534
00:47:36,367 --> 00:47:41,107
rest are finding it harder and harder and when you're stressed and therefore fearful

535
00:47:41,107 --> 00:47:45,147
you're you're in no state to start really observing yourself

536
00:47:45,147 --> 00:47:55,287
yeah and go ahead qw i think that's interesting um you know because because life is getting harder

537
00:47:55,287 --> 00:48:00,507
right now and uh you know i'm i'm in the construction realm so uh when the tide goes out

538
00:48:00,507 --> 00:48:06,407
uh money gets tight uh and and you know i can see in myself where you know i need to kind of just

539
00:48:06,407 --> 00:48:13,387
take check myself i suppose because it seems like uh when finances start stressing you then i find

540
00:48:13,387 --> 00:48:17,927
other things are less manageable, I suppose.

541
00:48:18,387 --> 00:48:23,127
Yeah, and you burn through your minerals faster, 100%.

542
00:48:23,127 --> 00:48:26,967
I came back to, there's an example I give for the hamster wheel.

543
00:48:27,247 --> 00:48:31,547
It's going to, from the Israeli thing, it's going to be a bit of a shock.

544
00:48:32,547 --> 00:48:34,967
But it brings it to two guys.

545
00:48:36,367 --> 00:48:39,707
When you, the more you try and impress a woman,

546
00:48:39,707 --> 00:48:48,907
the more she's unimpressed that that's one of the examples i give to my clients the men

547
00:48:48,907 --> 00:48:58,067
that the the guy who doesn't care in the bar about the women is the one the women are attracted to

548
00:48:58,067 --> 00:49:05,887
and the man who's desperately trying to get attention will be ignored do you you'd agree with

549
00:49:05,887 --> 00:49:15,307
that is that like that nice guy finishes last uh type of uh stereotype then we get into the left

550
00:49:15,307 --> 00:49:20,527
and right because the right side are naturally supportive of the self and so that that's

551
00:49:20,527 --> 00:49:25,987
attractive to uh women because they're providers whereas left-sided men would be more people

552
00:49:25,987 --> 00:49:32,647
pleasing and so they would attract a more dominant woman but that's going into the hands but it's

553
00:49:32,647 --> 00:49:38,947
that idea of um the buddhist idea of the more you try and gain the zenith the more you will get the

554
00:49:38,947 --> 00:49:45,887
nadir the more you try and get something within the mind the more you will get the opposite that's

555
00:49:45,887 --> 00:49:55,607
that's why this closed loop system is um is so important to understand and see and then as i said

556
00:49:55,607 --> 00:50:00,187
in my first book that decentralized mind is to be able to understand that you're not your mind

557
00:50:00,187 --> 00:50:07,167
it's just old scripts and there's nothing to be gained from using that mind other than

558
00:50:07,167 --> 00:50:14,587
using it to you know from problem solving and logic but you shouldn't listen to it you people

559
00:50:14,587 --> 00:50:21,487
say listen to your gut yeah not not your mind right because the mind is just old scripts written

560
00:50:21,487 --> 00:50:27,707
by a four-year-old so just understanding that it's quicksand uh and uh the more you fight it

561
00:50:27,707 --> 00:50:30,467
just walk around the quicksand.

562
00:50:31,067 --> 00:50:36,587
Yeah. And I think in the book with the chapter, I did a Trojan horse kind of for Bitcoin.

563
00:50:36,787 --> 00:50:43,327
I wanted to, I got a lot of pushback from some early readers and from people saying,

564
00:50:43,327 --> 00:50:50,087
you know, you shouldn't write about Bitcoin in a sort of a therapy book, but you have to understand

565
00:50:50,087 --> 00:50:59,367
how the economic system and that kind of massive hamster wheel um the the more you stay in that the

566
00:50:59,367 --> 00:51:04,667
more it crumbles uh the more you're going to be running faster and faster and you're going to

567
00:51:04,667 --> 00:51:11,167
struggle and as jeff booth says you know you step out of the system and you energize you you choose

568
00:51:11,167 --> 00:51:15,747
another system you can't change the system from within the system that created it and that's what

569
00:51:15,747 --> 00:51:22,967
I'm saying with when you understand these hamster wheels are you know primitive and they just keep

570
00:51:22,967 --> 00:51:31,727
you in this loop but most people work from that and and that's it's extremely tricky to see it

571
00:51:31,727 --> 00:51:38,067
in action that's the decentralizing you have to step away and not energize your mind that's

572
00:51:38,067 --> 00:51:44,507
meditation. So Rob when you were here last time you gave us a basic framework for the hamster

573
00:51:44,507 --> 00:51:50,547
wheels and you talked about one or two but in the book you've laid out all five uh there's the gain

574
00:51:50,547 --> 00:51:58,767
loss hamster wheel able unable right wrong support let down and attention ignore yeah do you can you

575
00:51:58,767 --> 00:52:05,107
go through i mean that's we don't need to spend hours on each one but maybe a quick explainer on

576
00:52:05,107 --> 00:52:15,387
each one of them and then a simple relatable example yeah so um i'll give you an example i

577
00:52:15,387 --> 00:52:20,907
try and always give examples from when i when when i was triggered just got a big mosquito

578
00:52:20,907 --> 00:52:30,567
sorry um so uh sylvia cooked a stew today it was lovely and i'm eating mainly carnivore

579
00:52:30,567 --> 00:52:36,527
and so I knew I wouldn't be able to get enough to fill me up with the stew you know the whole

580
00:52:36,527 --> 00:52:43,887
family eating it so it I felt myself get a bit annoyed and there was an emotion there and so I

581
00:52:43,887 --> 00:52:50,387
observed and what I do is I'm looking for which hamster wheel bothers me and so I look at the

582
00:52:50,387 --> 00:52:56,087
wording I've done this a lot but so if you imagine if you're starting out I'm annoyed why am I annoyed

583
00:52:56,087 --> 00:53:00,447
Well, I've told her before, I need more meat.

584
00:53:00,927 --> 00:53:02,247
And she's not listening.

585
00:53:03,187 --> 00:53:05,087
That's what bothered me.

586
00:53:05,667 --> 00:53:08,587
And so then I go, which wheel is that?

587
00:53:09,487 --> 00:53:10,827
Paying attention to ignore.

588
00:53:11,327 --> 00:53:13,367
She's not paying attention to what I said.

589
00:53:13,747 --> 00:53:14,967
I pay attention to her.

590
00:53:15,007 --> 00:53:15,787
She's ignoring.

591
00:53:16,487 --> 00:53:21,267
And so that triggers the little four-year-old's program of paying attention to ignore.

592
00:53:21,267 --> 00:53:30,687
The moment I realize that is not me, but an old program that is conditioned within me, I instantly go, it's OK.

593
00:53:31,947 --> 00:53:38,187
Quite literally, I picture little Rob getting hurt because I feel ignored.

594
00:53:39,267 --> 00:53:43,107
And maybe I was ignored by my mom.

595
00:53:44,107 --> 00:53:46,507
You don't need to go into the why.

596
00:53:46,587 --> 00:53:50,427
You just need to see the simplified script.

597
00:53:50,427 --> 00:53:58,427
and then it dissolves because I see that it's not the reality but it's an old program so that

598
00:53:58,427 --> 00:54:04,767
dissolves that so that's paying attention to ignore it comes up a lot people on the right

599
00:54:04,767 --> 00:54:10,547
really like to pay attention to what's valuable they get annoyed with people

600
00:54:10,547 --> 00:54:17,787
wives get ignored with a right-sided husband because he sort of only pays attention to his

601
00:54:17,787 --> 00:54:24,027
work and they the the wife or the husband feels ignored so when i'm working relationships that

602
00:54:24,027 --> 00:54:33,307
could come up a lot as a main driver of arguments um funny enough top uh really high level um

603
00:54:33,307 --> 00:54:40,727
you know very very wealthy um high net worth individual clients i work with they

604
00:54:40,727 --> 00:54:47,667
really can pay attention to valuableness and they work all day on it but then they can be

605
00:54:47,667 --> 00:54:54,367
scammed because they ignore things that are actually quite valuable they they i've had quite

606
00:54:54,367 --> 00:55:00,307
a few that get scammed because they're not they're ignoring what is valuable or they ignore their

607
00:55:00,307 --> 00:55:05,747
family and so that creates the imbalance for them they you know they spend too much time

608
00:55:05,747 --> 00:55:11,507
paying attention to valuable things so that's paying attention to ignore right wrong is you

609
00:55:11,507 --> 00:55:18,847
know obvious um brings up a lot of anger in people they you know i'm right they're wrong um

610
00:55:18,847 --> 00:55:24,847
that that's a critical criticism judgment blame thing that comes up in relationships

611
00:55:24,847 --> 00:55:31,247
um for instance with myself i'd be more saying like with the book i was talking about with urv

612
00:55:31,247 --> 00:55:38,807
earlier you know i didn't do it the right way i did it wrong and you know and so um donald trump

613
00:55:38,807 --> 00:55:47,627
I was listening to him earlier saying, you know, something about, you know, the Israel thing.

614
00:55:47,767 --> 00:55:52,367
And he said, yeah, the press even loved me on this one.

615
00:55:52,447 --> 00:55:54,387
You know, I'm doing so well.

616
00:55:54,727 --> 00:55:55,767
So he's on the right.

617
00:55:55,947 --> 00:55:58,827
He always wants to be right and seen as right.

618
00:55:58,987 --> 00:56:00,887
It's kind of almost caricature.

619
00:56:01,827 --> 00:56:03,687
So that's a right and wrong.

620
00:56:03,747 --> 00:56:04,707
That comes up a lot.

621
00:56:04,707 --> 00:56:11,627
then you have gain and loss which is the classic um you know people want to gain um gain more

622
00:56:11,627 --> 00:56:19,007
freedom bitcoiners gain more certainty um and the more they try and gain that the more they feel

623
00:56:19,007 --> 00:56:26,047
they lose that's classic playing out with core and knots at the moment um people's hamster wheels

624
00:56:26,047 --> 00:56:30,367
are getting triggered that people feel that they're losing you know they're losing bitcoin

625
00:56:30,367 --> 00:56:33,747
and others are gaining control over the network.

626
00:56:33,967 --> 00:56:37,067
It's classic and it's bringing up a lot of division and anger.

627
00:56:39,107 --> 00:56:40,187
Unable, enable.

628
00:56:43,007 --> 00:56:49,847
When a Bitcoiner starts to feel unable, that's a big problem.

629
00:56:50,327 --> 00:56:56,907
So on Twitter, a lot of the movement now is you've got digital IDs coming in.

630
00:56:56,987 --> 00:56:58,147
It's triggering that wheel.

631
00:56:58,147 --> 00:57:02,327
people are starting to feel scared that they're going to be unable to do things

632
00:57:02,327 --> 00:57:08,887
and so it's bringing up a lot of fear and big bitcoiners especially like to be able to make

633
00:57:08,887 --> 00:57:15,607
their own decisions and so that triggers them a lot and so they will rail around rail against that

634
00:57:15,607 --> 00:57:23,787
and um you know conspiracy theorists and usually they're right but you know the rabbit hole types

635
00:57:23,787 --> 00:57:25,547
that really go down the rabbit holes.

636
00:57:25,927 --> 00:57:28,947
What they're doing is they're trying to be able to find the truth

637
00:57:28,947 --> 00:57:32,727
and they don't like being lied to, which makes them feel unable.

638
00:57:34,507 --> 00:57:40,087
And then we have, what's the one I'm missing, Avi?

639
00:57:41,387 --> 00:57:45,407
Was it, you did able, unable, right, wrong.

640
00:57:45,527 --> 00:57:46,667
Was it a support letdown?

641
00:57:46,827 --> 00:57:47,767
Yeah, that's the one.

642
00:57:48,087 --> 00:57:49,107
Yeah, support letdown.

643
00:57:49,107 --> 00:57:59,407
I mean, you know, being able to support your family and not let them down as a man, like that comes up a lot.

644
00:57:59,607 --> 00:58:13,007
If you're on the left, if I have, say, a wife of a very wealthy husband, she'll come to me and says, you know, I support him all the time and all I get is let down.

645
00:58:13,007 --> 00:58:21,227
I in football I supported everyone but then I just got let down it's inevitable this is what I have

646
00:58:21,227 --> 00:58:27,227
to these these these programs they're brilliant for four-year-old but they're kind of rigged

647
00:58:27,227 --> 00:58:43,119
they you can never they always rebalance that the glitch and so with the support let down the more you support like let say the more i support sylvia the you know she the more i try and people please her by supporting her and

648
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:49,119
not supporting myself she won't have any respect for me and so she will you kind of feel let down

649
00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:57,059
that i don't support myself um i'm i'm giving you like quick examples but um if everyone looks

650
00:58:57,059 --> 00:59:03,879
if you ever get annoyed it's going to be one of those five and if you really watch them closely

651
00:59:03,879 --> 00:59:12,699
you're going to see it's like a fairground ride they're just built not to pay out and you you're

652
00:59:12,699 --> 00:59:18,379
going to be running on that hamster wheel and getting exhausted or flipping yourself over at

653
00:59:18,379 --> 00:59:23,019
some point so it's just inevitable if you start watching them you're going to see them play out

654
00:59:23,019 --> 00:59:26,579
And then you're going to realize, okay, I need to find another way.

655
00:59:28,379 --> 00:59:35,379
You might need to stop supporting her so much and your meat intake might increase in that.

656
00:59:35,379 --> 00:59:35,859
Yeah.

657
00:59:37,299 --> 00:59:52,839
Hey, I heard something that when men spend too much time with their family, they start to convert too much of their testosterone into estrogen.

658
00:59:52,839 --> 00:59:54,319
who actually lowers testosterone.

659
00:59:56,059 --> 00:59:57,559
I'm in trouble right now.

660
00:59:57,559 --> 00:59:58,299
Yeah, me too.

661
00:59:58,539 --> 01:00:00,019
I got a two and a half year old.

662
01:00:00,579 --> 01:00:02,099
I love being with my family,

663
01:00:02,299 --> 01:00:08,019
but men need to be able to go away to chop wood

664
01:00:08,019 --> 01:00:13,399
or be alone to balance out.

665
01:00:13,519 --> 01:00:15,399
So the testosterone is on the right.

666
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:20,499
It's a yang, a doing hormone.

667
01:00:20,499 --> 01:00:27,999
estrogen is the feminine you know non-doing it and so it's just interesting um how everything

668
01:00:27,999 --> 01:00:34,159
you know interrelates with balance what happens if you if the man finds time for himself

669
01:00:34,159 --> 01:00:37,179
chopping wood but he's eating soy jerky

670
01:00:37,179 --> 01:00:46,739
then he needs to ask himself why why is he doing that he's probably trying to make the planet more

671
01:00:46,739 --> 01:00:53,619
able and do the right thing so the the you know we're the propaganda conditioning our minds is

672
01:00:53,619 --> 01:01:02,739
as you know it is as old as history whoever controls the the ether the airwaves controls the

673
01:01:02,739 --> 01:01:08,219
the attention of humans and you put whatever you want in there as you can see with the backlash to

674
01:01:08,219 --> 01:01:15,959
netflix and disney um that we're very careful with what our children um you know absorb into

675
01:01:15,959 --> 01:01:21,699
their minds because the marketing machine and the propaganda hooks the hamster wheels

676
01:01:21,699 --> 01:01:28,439
and plays with the populace via that.

677
01:01:29,819 --> 01:01:37,099
I just want to say, Rob, that it's got to be pretty cool because you pretty much have

678
01:01:37,099 --> 01:01:40,799
an answer for anything and it always comes back to the wheels, right?

679
01:01:40,799 --> 01:01:45,479
You have some sort of a protocol in place when people ask you something.

680
01:01:45,479 --> 01:01:52,859
you can instantly go to one of the five and kind of dissect from there.

681
01:01:53,179 --> 01:01:56,319
I just think it's really neat that you put this together.

682
01:01:56,319 --> 01:01:56,719
You're the first person to say that.

683
01:01:57,179 --> 01:01:58,239
That is so true.

684
01:01:58,419 --> 01:02:04,959
That's such a – for me, it's just so freeing because I don't have to take –

685
01:02:04,959 --> 01:02:08,139
like you don't take responsibility for the client.

686
01:02:08,339 --> 01:02:10,019
You just – you draw it out.

687
01:02:10,019 --> 01:02:24,119
It's, you know, and it's fascinating because you can see I can sometimes if I want to show off, I'll say, I bet you do this for a living, you know, because you can deduce from the hamster wheels what the person does for a living and how they spend their time.

688
01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:34,219
so it's fascinating and very rewarding when you see the penny drop and they go oh my god or

689
01:02:34,219 --> 01:02:41,159
you know they go on they send me a message like i do this thousands of times a day and i go yeah

690
01:02:41,159 --> 01:02:47,319
you know welcome to the greatest show and uh you're you're quite right but you you imagine how

691
01:02:47,319 --> 01:02:53,579
i feel about getting the book out it's very unusual for me because i'm like for once in my life i i

692
01:02:53,579 --> 01:03:00,219
feel like I've created something kind of unique or I've discovered something and I'm getting it out

693
01:03:00,219 --> 01:03:05,539
to people and I don't have to take responsibility anymore I can just chill and people can do the

694
01:03:05,539 --> 01:03:12,639
work themselves I think it's powerful that every answer has a starting point and it's one of the

695
01:03:12,639 --> 01:03:21,019
five yes yeah and that's a protocol that if say QW say you you go away now and I think you've done

696
01:03:21,019 --> 01:03:27,879
work already by the way you're speaking um but if if you go away and you work say with your wife

697
01:03:27,879 --> 01:03:33,919
or your child you you can see their hamster wheels and also but the most most powerful

698
01:03:33,919 --> 01:03:45,479
thing is the more you see yours you'll change your family yeah and you call this admin mode

699
01:03:45,479 --> 01:03:52,939
right which is the solution to this is getting into admin mode which i suppose boils down to

700
01:03:52,939 --> 01:04:00,619
just an awareness yes of what these wheels are so what does that actually feel like let's just

701
01:04:00,619 --> 01:04:06,219
take a regular person right what does it feel like to be in admin mode versus just a player in the

702
01:04:06,219 --> 01:04:13,919
game right and what yes like yeah go ahead it's like the matrix like you're completely unaware and

703
01:04:13,919 --> 01:04:20,619
you're a boat without a rudder if you're asleep and you spend most of your time in the past or

704
01:04:20,619 --> 01:04:28,419
the future looking for dopamine, avoiding pain, trying to get more certain, distracting yourself

705
01:04:28,419 --> 01:04:38,939
with social media, vices, you know, hoping and feeling powerless. And so that's why, you know,

706
01:04:38,939 --> 01:04:42,799
Bitcoin can have quite an effect on someone like that.

707
01:04:43,079 --> 01:04:47,279
If they can hook into it, it starts to make them question things.

708
01:04:47,479 --> 01:04:55,799
And then it brings them closer to questioning their own thinking because they would see that they made mistakes and thought the world was like this.

709
01:04:57,159 --> 01:05:04,759
So when you're in admin mode, you start to see your reactions to people.

710
01:05:04,759 --> 01:05:08,639
and it's like you're playing a VR game

711
01:05:08,639 --> 01:05:12,839
and instead of actually trying to get to the next level

712
01:05:12,839 --> 01:05:14,839
by smashing things and reacting,

713
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:17,919
you're literally going,

714
01:05:18,119 --> 01:05:21,459
oh, I can see what's going on here,

715
01:05:21,519 --> 01:05:23,079
almost like looking at the code.

716
01:05:23,799 --> 01:05:26,339
And you start going, oh, I do this,

717
01:05:26,499 --> 01:05:27,699
and then that happens.

718
01:05:28,419 --> 01:05:30,039
And I know why it happens

719
01:05:30,039 --> 01:05:32,959
because I've got a behavior

720
01:05:32,959 --> 01:05:39,759
that I've been copying since I was a little boy and I haven't ever really observed it and so you

721
01:05:39,759 --> 01:05:48,959
start becoming extremely peaceful and and much more quiet and not needing to need attention

722
01:05:48,959 --> 01:05:59,579
you you it's it's actually like living a new life for me so it's like a game I call it the game

723
01:05:59,579 --> 01:06:03,399
and all you're doing is whenever someone triggers you,

724
01:06:03,779 --> 01:06:05,459
if someone's being an asshole or something,

725
01:06:05,859 --> 01:06:08,979
you're going, oh, awesome, I can find out something about myself.

726
01:06:09,899 --> 01:06:13,179
Or if I'm, you know, it depends how much you want to play the game.

727
01:06:13,579 --> 01:06:18,059
And for being a father, it's absolutely liberating

728
01:06:18,059 --> 01:06:22,019
because your kid's going to trigger you for sure.

729
01:06:22,319 --> 01:06:26,559
And then it enables you to do something about it on the spot.

730
01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:32,539
you can pick up your, you know, you go to your own coder, and that's what I call admin mode,

731
01:06:33,299 --> 01:06:41,359
and not react. Or if you do react, immediately realize that you've been triggered by a hamster

732
01:06:41,359 --> 01:06:46,399
wheel, you know which one, and then it enables you to apologize and explain what happened. So I

733
01:06:46,399 --> 01:06:52,659
tell my children, I'm sorry, I got triggered because I, you know, this hamster wheel. So my

734
01:06:52,659 --> 01:06:59,159
kids kind of to some degree understand hamster wheels but they will very much so understand them

735
01:06:59,159 --> 01:07:06,959
by the time they're um you know an adult did ask answer your question that avi yeah and there's but

736
01:07:06,959 --> 01:07:12,539
i mean that brings up brings up a follow-up though which is in the book you talk about five different

737
01:07:12,539 --> 01:07:16,979
ways i think of getting into admin mode i can't remember every single one of them yeah there's

738
01:07:16,979 --> 01:07:21,919
inner child work and there's somatic observation there are a couple of them right now for someone

739
01:07:21,919 --> 01:07:27,359
listening right that can be especially the new to this it can be completely overwhelming but what

740
01:07:27,359 --> 01:07:32,599
are these new concepts in a child work somatic so what do you think is the most accessible entry

741
01:07:32,599 --> 01:07:37,599
point for someone saying okay i get it there are these patterns that i'm hardwired the best way to

742
01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:43,259
get out of it is to become an observer right just to get uh bring that bring an awareness to them

743
01:07:43,259 --> 01:07:48,159
and and then you've you've given this map of how to do it with these five methodologies which is

744
01:07:48,159 --> 01:07:53,919
the most accessible one it's a great question avi uh you know just observing is difficult

745
01:07:53,919 --> 01:07:59,259
like people go i don't know what the hell you're talking about i i think one of the the most

746
01:07:59,259 --> 01:08:04,599
accessible ones is what you're doing is you're trying to become aware of a pattern so i like to

747
01:08:04,599 --> 01:08:12,499
call it the song so for instance i call myself earlier i i'm usually okay in podcasts until i

748
01:08:12,499 --> 01:08:19,739
bring up israel in on a podcast i'm like what and then i was just i caught myself thinking like oh

749
01:08:19,739 --> 01:08:26,419
what what were you thinking so let down i let myself down yeah zap dot stream went down when

750
01:08:26,419 --> 01:08:36,599
you said it yeah just kidding it was never yeah yeah uh and um so i caught myself and then

751
01:08:36,599 --> 01:08:40,039
And so what I did was I instantly went, hey, it's OK.

752
01:08:40,539 --> 01:08:43,679
You know, I know it's, you know, the little coda.

753
01:08:43,999 --> 01:08:51,879
But what I could do is in that situation, let's say I'm scared of disappointing, being a disappointment or people finding me a disappointment.

754
01:08:52,539 --> 01:08:54,779
A lot of people can relate to that.

755
01:08:55,339 --> 01:08:57,259
So you could call it a song.

756
01:08:57,759 --> 01:08:59,799
It is literally a jukebox.

757
01:08:59,799 --> 01:09:03,519
You've got five songs and one starts playing.

758
01:09:04,139 --> 01:09:05,059
Don't dance.

759
01:09:05,059 --> 01:09:11,959
realize that you you've only got all the songs that stuck down you've only got five that keep

760
01:09:11,959 --> 01:09:17,739
popping up annoying so you know and so uh you know i talk about in the book the song where

761
01:09:17,739 --> 01:09:24,659
there was this guy that kept on saying he was scared of people attacking him or something

762
01:09:24,659 --> 01:09:29,919
so what i want what i want him just because he's finding it so difficult to

763
01:09:29,919 --> 01:09:37,739
not get caught in the behavior is to go oh i know that song and so what you're doing in in saying

764
01:09:37,739 --> 01:09:46,319
that one you're recognizing a behavior a repeat song behavior and if you're recognizing the

765
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:54,019
behavior it's giving a bit of distance between you and the behavior yeah so giving someone the

766
01:09:54,019 --> 01:10:01,179
task of looking for that song is kind of, for me, the simplest thing I've come up with,

767
01:10:01,179 --> 01:10:05,179
but I'm open to, always open to better ways.

768
01:10:07,379 --> 01:10:25,291
I think the trick there is people get so involved in their feelings and the situation they in right It almost it like you asking them to do a psychic severing especially for people who have not done any work right and and you lay this on them like how do i

769
01:10:25,291 --> 01:10:32,991
cut myself off this is a part of me i'm in this how do i cut myself off from this yeah yeah i mean

770
01:10:32,991 --> 01:10:38,751
if you look at the matrix you've got was it cyrus he's like just stick i don't want to know about

771
01:10:38,751 --> 01:10:43,951
this anymore just stick me back in and you know this steak tastes so good even though i know it's

772
01:10:43,951 --> 01:10:50,211
an illusion um there are people i've worked with who are not ready and maybe will never be ready

773
01:10:50,211 --> 01:10:58,431
to see this to be sort of it's a bit sort of uh dramatic but you know like the the scene where he's

774
01:10:58,431 --> 01:11:09,331
pulled out of the matrix um i had a i talk about a uh an elite athlete who who you know i was

775
01:11:09,331 --> 01:11:15,671
explaining that that they were so able and they were so constantly trying to be able that they

776
01:11:15,671 --> 01:11:22,991
had inevitably attracted unableness and it usually comes in the universe or the game sends you

777
01:11:22,991 --> 01:11:29,631
a challenge where it makes you completely unable that is my experience of 30 years you have to

778
01:11:29,631 --> 01:11:37,631
don't don't trust me on that one just verify start observing this and uh when i said when she said um

779
01:11:37,631 --> 01:11:42,171
you know i'm going to fight this i'm going to war with it i'm going to be able to get over it i was

780
01:11:42,171 --> 01:11:50,931
like no no no you're back in the wheel you need to um you don't don't keep doing what you're doing

781
01:11:50,931 --> 01:11:57,111
you've got to see that you you find it extremely difficult to be unable it scares you so much

782
01:11:57,111 --> 01:12:03,511
and she just folded her arms and I knew that was it I could have ended it like I only carried on

783
01:12:03,511 --> 01:12:09,951
nice conversation till the end of the session because I knew and then she passed um because

784
01:12:09,951 --> 01:12:19,171
I knew when the call went I said she's not going to understand this this uh deep consciousness play

785
01:12:19,171 --> 01:12:42,031
And there's this game that has rules, if you look closely enough that, you know, there's that outside world. Do we get caught in chemtrails and, you know, Epstein files and getting angry with that? And then Bitcoin, like everyone, you're completely, you know, shouting and sending your emotional energy to charge that system.

786
01:12:42,031 --> 01:12:49,851
but then if you catch yourself it's that's not freedom there's no it's not you're just fighting

787
01:12:49,851 --> 01:12:56,371
and there's an you can't be at peace right so um some people are not ready

788
01:12:56,371 --> 01:13:02,411
you know you brought up uh you mentioned cam trails and epstein and all of that and

789
01:13:02,411 --> 01:13:06,891
there is an interesting irony here with a lot of big partners not every single one

790
01:13:06,891 --> 01:13:13,491
but a lot of them, which is, you know, there's talk about escaping the matrix, right?

791
01:13:13,571 --> 01:13:16,691
That's when you're taking the orange bill and you're out of the fiat matrix.

792
01:13:17,731 --> 01:13:21,151
And if Twitter has anything to go by, which probably isn't,

793
01:13:21,271 --> 01:13:27,591
but I mean, there is a large cacophony of voices on Twitter or X.

794
01:13:28,811 --> 01:13:32,751
You see so many Bitcoiners get caught up in this stuff

795
01:13:32,751 --> 01:13:40,651
and the rage that comes from all these seeming violations of what,

796
01:13:40,971 --> 01:13:43,851
you know, like, yeah, why are they spraying stuff in the sky?

797
01:13:43,931 --> 01:13:44,651
They're trying to kill us.

798
01:13:44,711 --> 01:13:46,371
They're trying to poison our food and water.

799
01:13:47,031 --> 01:13:49,511
Or, oh, yeah, of course they wouldn't release their Steam files.

800
01:13:49,811 --> 01:13:54,151
And who knows what sorts of nonsense is in those files,

801
01:13:54,531 --> 01:13:56,031
what kind of horrors are in there.

802
01:13:56,451 --> 01:13:58,671
And they get caught up in these things.

803
01:13:59,651 --> 01:14:01,811
It's very much part of the Matrix, isn't it?

804
01:14:01,811 --> 01:14:10,551
100% and if you cannot know the truth like you just can't it's just the way it's set up like

805
01:14:10,551 --> 01:14:16,531
you will never know the true no one or it won't you know maybe in a hundred years or thousand

806
01:14:16,531 --> 01:14:22,351
years or whatever but even then who writes the truth how no one can never know the real truth

807
01:14:22,351 --> 01:14:31,791
but what is 100% true is those bitcoiners and myself included uh you know everyone gets

808
01:14:31,791 --> 01:14:40,191
triggered by something um is when you get angry and you fight it like even if it's your thoughts

809
01:14:40,191 --> 01:14:47,071
and your energy the frequency going in you you're not helping your body you are

810
01:14:47,071 --> 01:14:54,811
being brutal you're dumping the anger into your liver you're burning through your minerals you're

811
01:14:54,811 --> 01:15:01,331
it's not healthy and you can't do anything anyway you're you're what triggers the people is it makes

812
01:15:01,331 --> 01:15:09,911
them feel helpless and so in them shouting and uh capital capital letters you know and they they

813
01:15:09,911 --> 01:15:17,791
they feel more able but they are extremely uncomfortable with being unable um so what

814
01:15:17,791 --> 01:15:24,311
you're seeing there is uh are just hamster wheels getting triggered and so if people um when like

815
01:15:24,311 --> 01:15:30,971
jeff booth is very always very calm he when he sees things he understands the system there's no

816
01:15:30,971 --> 01:15:36,871
need to get emotional you just yeah well it's you know this is why this is happening and when you

817
01:15:36,871 --> 01:15:43,691
know sort of more of a higher altitude picture of why something's happened there's no need to get

818
01:15:43,691 --> 01:15:49,431
angry about it so when you get angry and emotional it's because your own wounds are being triggered

819
01:15:49,431 --> 01:15:54,211
yeah i will say though rob and this might sound like the arrogance of a bitcoiner

820
01:15:54,211 --> 01:16:00,851
it really helps that bitcoin exists because if bitcoin didn't and we were seeing all these things

821
01:16:00,851 --> 01:16:07,811
around us, oh man, I mean, I would be in a way worse place. I think what helps me personally

822
01:16:07,811 --> 01:16:12,371
detach is the fact that Bitcoin exists. It's like, okay, yeah, we have an exit. Yes, I acknowledge

823
01:16:12,371 --> 01:16:17,611
that there's darkness, but that's okay. I'm not going to let that consume me. Let's just focus on

824
01:16:17,611 --> 01:16:25,831
what we can do to make things better. I couldn't agree more. If it wasn't for Bitcoin, that's why

825
01:16:25,831 --> 01:16:34,131
you know i put the chapter in my book that's that's why um through understanding the fiat system

826
01:16:34,131 --> 01:16:42,371
we you can understand what bitcoin is and you when it dips down and everyone's selling you can buy

827
01:16:42,371 --> 01:16:48,371
more um you know on the roller coaster the guy you know the meme on the roller coaster you're

828
01:16:48,371 --> 01:16:56,751
just calm because you understand what's taking place so um you know out of uh the fiat system

829
01:16:56,751 --> 01:17:04,571
and the debasement and the the money printing came a thing on the left this non-doing thing

830
01:17:04,571 --> 01:17:13,191
that changes everything and balances the wheel so it was kind of inevitable that bitcoin would come

831
01:17:13,191 --> 01:17:24,231
and be there as a balancing for this completely out of control, broken system.

832
01:17:29,511 --> 01:17:33,851
Rob, you share in, I think it was about the right-wrong wheel.

833
01:17:34,011 --> 01:17:36,311
I think you shared a deeply personal story.

834
01:17:37,311 --> 01:17:42,171
I think where you perceived you attracted a threat to your family.

835
01:17:42,171 --> 01:17:43,351
Do you want to talk about that one?

836
01:17:44,071 --> 01:17:44,311
Yeah.

837
01:17:44,491 --> 01:17:47,411
Was that the one when I had someone come in to my home?

838
01:17:48,311 --> 01:17:48,451
Yeah.

839
01:17:48,771 --> 01:17:49,251
Yeah.

840
01:17:52,751 --> 01:17:53,271
Yeah.

841
01:17:53,631 --> 01:18:00,151
You know, we all have minds and we're all running glitchy software.

842
01:18:00,151 --> 01:18:11,931
And I was always extremely overprotective of my kids and, you know, constantly, you know, monitoring for threat.

843
01:18:12,171 --> 01:18:15,471
I don't know if anyone else can relate to that, but, you know, I'll be at a playground.

844
01:18:15,651 --> 01:18:19,211
I'm like monitoring every movement, every male.

845
01:18:19,931 --> 01:18:21,591
You know, is there a weirdo here?

846
01:18:21,691 --> 01:18:24,391
Is there, you know, any possible danger?

847
01:18:24,391 --> 01:18:26,891
And so I knew I was like that.

848
01:18:27,531 --> 01:18:41,871
And we, you know, we kind of set up and we were very protective, but we invited someone into our home as part of something that was happening over here who is going to help with the project.

849
01:18:42,171 --> 01:18:51,051
and um he there was a moment where you know he's really nice guy and everything but

850
01:18:51,051 --> 01:18:59,091
i i walked into the room one time and his his leg was over lima's leg sort of

851
01:18:59,091 --> 01:19:07,031
spread wide and and i was like like my you know my uh pattern recognition is really good i was like

852
01:19:07,031 --> 01:19:15,531
what that that doesn't that's weird and then the same day he was we were all around lima sylvia

853
01:19:15,531 --> 01:19:23,211
myself and this guy and then he stroked her arm and said you're such a beautiful woman and

854
01:19:23,211 --> 01:19:33,071
immediately i knew then that um you know my gut my gut feeling was was correct that this guy was a

855
01:19:33,071 --> 01:19:41,571
threat so i kind of said in the book that you know i'd tried to you know control any threat

856
01:19:41,571 --> 01:19:50,291
around my family and then i'd invited them in so but i also know that i caught that earlier than

857
01:19:50,291 --> 01:19:57,031
sylvia i knew there was something wrong within the first day and so i told her i went and told

858
01:19:57,031 --> 01:20:04,191
her and it was such a difficult moment what we had to do was keep the girls away from him and then

859
01:20:04,191 --> 01:20:13,611
when he left i uh there was a call that was set up with um sylvia and i said when he calls

860
01:20:13,611 --> 01:20:20,291
at some point he will ask about lima and ask to spend time with her

861
01:20:20,291 --> 01:20:28,931
and towards the end of the call he said oh how's lima um when i come can i take her to the playground

862
01:20:28,931 --> 01:20:39,011
and she looked to me like a bit shaken and um then she asked him where are you staying

863
01:20:39,011 --> 01:20:46,591
and he said i'm staying here so i knew that he if he's a predator he would already be planning

864
01:20:46,591 --> 01:20:54,151
the you know that's what they do they and so i found that he booked an apartment across the road

865
01:20:54,151 --> 01:21:04,331
from the playground and yeah yeah and i kind of um so i knew that in advance i kind of knew like

866
01:21:04,331 --> 01:21:11,071
if he's a predator and so in the end we had to you know tell some people and he was kind of

867
01:21:11,071 --> 01:21:18,591
kicked off the island um or not not welcome back it was extremely difficult and i said that when you

868
01:21:18,591 --> 01:21:29,911
tell him your concerns he will attack he will not be um he won't because if it was a normal like a

869
01:21:29,911 --> 01:21:37,711
normal person like you or i we you we would go oh my god i'm so sorry you know i i would never want

870
01:21:37,711 --> 01:21:42,351
I would never have wanted to make you feel uncomfortable,

871
01:21:42,351 --> 01:21:45,811
but a predator will attack you and say,

872
01:21:45,811 --> 01:21:47,971
you're crazy, and that's what he did.

873
01:21:47,971 --> 01:21:49,891
So it kind of just,

874
01:21:49,891 --> 01:21:54,551
what came out of that was an understanding,

875
01:21:56,311 --> 01:22:08,243
I kind of maybe contradicting myself like I was too protective and I pulled that in But I also know that you can be unaware

876
01:22:09,103 --> 01:22:11,963
And so you can't walk around with your eyes closed.

877
01:22:12,083 --> 01:22:13,843
You have to have some awareness.

878
01:22:13,983 --> 01:22:14,863
It's just a balance.

879
01:22:16,203 --> 01:22:20,583
And so we did a course in child protection online.

880
01:22:20,583 --> 01:22:26,303
I highly recommend if you have kids that you should do it because it's absolutely mind-bending.

881
01:22:26,783 --> 01:22:31,343
and shocking at these statistics that are not talked about.

882
01:22:31,443 --> 01:22:32,463
That's another rabbit hole.

883
01:22:32,783 --> 01:22:34,403
You don't really need to go down it,

884
01:22:34,463 --> 01:22:37,743
but just know that it's not even, you know,

885
01:22:37,823 --> 01:22:41,643
a fraction of what's actually happening is talked about

886
01:22:41,643 --> 01:22:48,163
and how the most important thing is that there's a father figure.

887
01:22:49,123 --> 01:22:52,143
They know which children are not loved.

888
01:22:53,523 --> 01:22:54,703
They're vulnerable.

889
01:22:54,703 --> 01:23:02,723
so they don't know you know it's usually a man so they they um you know single families are

890
01:23:02,723 --> 01:23:12,563
they're ripe for for for for the predator and then if you uh so at a place to be we have a child

891
01:23:12,563 --> 01:23:19,283
protection uh thing on the we'll have a child protection and we will offer it as a as a course

892
01:23:19,283 --> 01:23:26,943
if you come in if you know you we're not forcing anyone but so that predators don't go where people

893
01:23:26,943 --> 01:23:36,043
know about that type of thing they so in educating yourself and educating everyone that is they won't

894
01:23:36,043 --> 01:23:43,623
go there they they just so you you you let people know that you know and the man needs to be with his

895
01:23:43,623 --> 01:23:52,403
kids that's another thing so it's a bit a little bit off track but it's it's um you know it's an

896
01:23:52,403 --> 01:23:59,303
absolutely horrifying story for any parent to hear and it and it the most important thing is the

897
01:23:59,303 --> 01:24:08,103
you know the the family is a loving family that doesn't attract them um and you know if if they

898
01:24:08,103 --> 01:24:17,963
do come close you you tell them you you always you always know what you have to know you never

899
01:24:17,963 --> 01:24:27,403
let your child go to somewhere where you don't know who's there so we always say um you know if

900
01:24:27,403 --> 01:24:35,743
if lima does a sleepover um one of us will uh well sylvia usually go and we always say who will be

901
01:24:35,743 --> 01:24:45,063
there and who are they so you have in knowing and educating yourself the the you know you massively

902
01:24:45,063 --> 01:24:51,743
lower the risk so again it's awareness and understanding the system and the risks

903
01:24:51,743 --> 01:25:03,063
is the understanding is the way to not allow that to happen but in blocking it and not looking at

904
01:25:03,063 --> 01:25:15,363
that that's when you leave yourself open right so let's let's just talk i guess let's change

905
01:25:15,363 --> 01:25:23,383
track here and get back to some happy stuff yeah uh what does you know moving from this finite i

906
01:25:23,383 --> 01:25:29,103
think you call it the finite game an infinite game right yeah um the finite game of winning

907
01:25:29,103 --> 01:25:37,423
and winning and losing and moving from that to the infinite game of authentic living right what

908
01:25:37,423 --> 01:25:46,723
does that look like for a regular person on let's say a tuesday um i can only so if i can give an

909
01:25:46,723 --> 01:25:53,743
example from my actual life that happened quite recently i think i could because i can't really

910
01:25:53,743 --> 01:26:03,263
talk for others but the infinite game is with I realized that with the book I would have to market

911
01:26:03,263 --> 01:26:10,683
it so I started to get worried about it so I'm worrying I hate marketing I hate social media

912
01:26:10,683 --> 01:26:17,923
I don't want to do it but I have to you know that type of conversation that so that's you're in the

913
01:26:17,923 --> 01:26:23,463
game you're you're not in the game you're being run by the game and you're struggling and you're

914
01:26:23,463 --> 01:26:29,723
you feel helpless right and there's conflict and and you're you're trying to use will and

915
01:26:29,723 --> 01:26:35,883
discipline to do something but you're confused about the direction so that's the you know that's

916
01:26:35,883 --> 01:26:42,923
the the matrix so what what i did was well i know what to do is i become i start to watch

917
01:26:42,923 --> 01:26:49,683
this behavior around marketing and i start to map it out i feel unable it's very much to do with

918
01:26:49,683 --> 01:26:54,963
paying attention to being paid attention to you know posting something and then being ignored

919
01:26:54,963 --> 01:27:02,703
will trigger that so also consistency of the marketing i realized that i've never been

920
01:27:02,703 --> 01:27:11,683
consistent so i watched that and what that involves is every day i can purposely focus in on it and

921
01:27:11,683 --> 01:27:17,683
say oh marketing for my business and then the thoughts come up and i can write them down

922
01:27:17,683 --> 01:27:19,623
or I don't normally do that.

923
01:27:19,743 --> 01:27:22,843
I usually go for a walk and I just observe them.

924
01:27:23,063 --> 01:27:25,103
And what happens is each time they come up,

925
01:27:25,183 --> 01:27:28,743
they feel less strong until they don't come up at all.

926
01:27:29,243 --> 01:27:31,123
So that took me a week.

927
01:27:31,383 --> 01:27:35,583
So it didn't come up and I'd gone blank on it, nothing coming up.

928
01:27:35,583 --> 01:27:39,663
And then I'm in the shower and I suddenly have the thought,

929
01:27:40,443 --> 01:27:45,283
do you remember that marketer guy that you found

930
01:27:45,283 --> 01:27:48,743
that was completely the opposite of what everyone did.

931
01:27:48,843 --> 01:27:50,023
It's really counterintuitive.

932
01:27:51,063 --> 01:27:54,703
I need to use that guy as my advisor on Claude.

933
01:27:55,943 --> 01:27:59,563
It wasn't my mind thinking about it.

934
01:27:59,583 --> 01:28:00,703
It just came up.

935
01:28:01,143 --> 01:28:04,103
It was a creative thought out of nothing.

936
01:28:04,803 --> 01:28:06,463
It wasn't based on the wheels.

937
01:28:07,403 --> 01:28:09,743
And so what I did was I immediately went and said,

938
01:28:09,743 --> 01:28:12,443
hey, I want you to be this marketer.

939
01:28:12,783 --> 01:28:14,863
And I gave it a prompt.

940
01:28:14,863 --> 01:28:31,303
And I said, can you be my advisor? And, you know, I put that in the project. And then he gave me, you know, he said, when you should do this and stop doing that. And I want you to do you do this every day. And I did it and I'm doing it.

941
01:28:31,303 --> 01:28:38,483
And without any discipline or difficulty, it's an absolute enjoyment.

942
01:28:39,003 --> 01:28:43,783
So I've gone from hating it to enjoying it with no discipline.

943
01:28:44,243 --> 01:28:45,503
That's what it looks like.

944
01:28:48,683 --> 01:28:50,643
Yeah, love it.

945
01:28:51,603 --> 01:28:59,883
So Rob, if there is one message, right, like the single most important realization you hope anyone reading,

946
01:28:59,883 --> 01:29:10,883
or actually everyone reading glitch takes away what would it be oh that's a tricky one i i for

947
01:29:10,883 --> 01:29:16,683
me i i don't know if people really can get this but i've come to understand that i create my reality

948
01:29:16,683 --> 01:29:27,303
so my from the admin from that coding i create my reality so if i don't if i'm struggling and i'm

949
01:29:27,303 --> 01:29:35,083
unhappy and I'm distracted and I'm fearful it's not out there it's coming from my coding

950
01:29:35,083 --> 01:29:42,143
which is like a VR game creating this reality in front of me that is my experience so

951
01:29:42,143 --> 01:29:47,503
when there's something that's you know the marketing or silver comes to me

952
01:29:47,503 --> 01:29:54,263
and there's a problem with the the project or this or that or we're worried about limo or something

953
01:29:54,263 --> 01:30:00,183
we go in and do the work and in doing so it changes the outcome i had a client

954
01:30:00,183 --> 01:30:06,603
from la yesterday telling me she's kind of giggling and she said my husband's changed

955
01:30:06,603 --> 01:30:13,663
he's becoming more supportive of me and it's weird and and i said yeah but i told you it's

956
01:30:13,663 --> 01:30:20,823
inevitable if you play the game you change the code the game changes you're able to move from

957
01:30:20,823 --> 01:30:28,603
stuck levels where you keep repeating the same behavior you it changes your reality that's why

958
01:30:28,603 --> 01:30:34,363
i want people to understand so she has a husband that she hasn't told anything she's changed

959
01:30:34,363 --> 01:30:42,143
through her own work he's now giving her and she feels uncomfortable with it and so i suppose what

960
01:30:42,143 --> 01:30:49,043
i want people to realize is you're not helpless it's a game start to play the game it's it's so

961
01:30:49,043 --> 01:30:56,023
amazing and wonderful and you don't have to trust me i'm just pointing a finger i've found this

962
01:30:56,023 --> 01:31:03,443
the mind seems to work as a open source protocol of five programs you can use that or don't just

963
01:31:03,443 --> 01:31:08,903
start to observe your behaviors and the more you understand them the more they will you will be

964
01:31:08,903 --> 01:31:15,643
free and your life will completely change and the life out there is either hell or heaven

965
01:31:15,643 --> 01:31:25,143
So if you want heaven on earth and be peaceful and free, then the only way towards that is this work and stacking sats.

966
01:31:29,223 --> 01:31:37,843
Indeed. Rob, so where can people get the book? If they want to pay in sats, if they want to pay in fiat, where would they go?

967
01:31:37,843 --> 01:32:02,103
So the website is www.glitchthebook.co. I have an instant download paid in lightning. I also have links to Amazon. There's a quiz on there forward slash quiz where you can go straight away now and find out which side of the hamster wheel you're on.

968
01:32:02,103 --> 01:32:06,463
and then you get a guide to get you started,

969
01:32:06,623 --> 01:32:08,803
show you where you are and what you need to do.

970
01:32:10,083 --> 01:32:14,043
So the book you can get Kindle, paperback and hardback

971
01:32:14,043 --> 01:32:20,163
and I also do my email daily, which I think is very valuable

972
01:32:20,163 --> 01:32:23,163
and you can sign up for that at robbrinder.com.

973
01:32:26,863 --> 01:32:27,423
Great.

974
01:32:28,963 --> 01:32:31,643
Anything else you'd like to share, Rob?

975
01:32:31,643 --> 01:32:36,703
How can the audience support your work apart from buying the book itself?

976
01:32:38,203 --> 01:32:43,243
Yeah, just support my work is doing it themselves.

977
01:32:43,723 --> 01:32:46,543
So don't buy the book and not read it.

978
01:32:46,743 --> 01:32:56,503
Like take responsibility, you know, and the more you work on yourself, the more you change the world.

979
01:32:56,503 --> 01:33:02,443
So that's how they could support me is just by actually doing the work.

980
01:33:02,663 --> 01:33:09,003
And, you know, if you get something out of it, pop on Noster and say something about the book.

981
01:33:09,083 --> 01:33:14,083
So others will spend their energy on something that's priceless.

982
01:33:15,203 --> 01:33:16,343
Apart from Bitcoin.

983
01:33:19,963 --> 01:33:20,563
Excellent.

984
01:33:20,563 --> 01:33:32,283
And let me just say, I'm really excited for the years to come to see the humans that are kind of created at a place to be.

985
01:33:32,563 --> 01:33:42,943
And then in unison with the Citadel Garden, because a lot of your work is discussing that inner child and the unschooling aspect of things.

986
01:33:42,943 --> 01:33:44,943
I always wonder what would...

987
01:33:44,895 --> 01:33:51,495
would I be like if I was unschooled? And, you know, and how much would that affect my hamster

988
01:33:51,495 --> 01:33:58,055
wheel over time? It's just a very unique, interesting kind of case study over time.

989
01:33:58,055 --> 01:34:01,815
So I'm very much looking forward to the long game on this.

990
01:34:02,375 --> 01:34:07,455
Yeah, QW, that's, I was just talking with Sylvia about it. My daughter this morning,

991
01:34:07,595 --> 01:34:12,595
she went with some friends who are both my daughters to dog walking. We walk the dogs

992
01:34:12,595 --> 01:34:19,955
at a local pound while the other kids who are all unschooled go surfing and then they played at the

993
01:34:19,955 --> 01:34:27,915
beach and then they came back here and have um they were dancing doing choreograph then lego

994
01:34:27,915 --> 01:34:34,515
then they went down to the pool and they have laughed they've been laughing all day and i said

995
01:34:34,515 --> 01:34:54,427
I said what is that doing They stacking laughter I said their brains are not they not at school being suppressed and forced into mind numbing you know mechanical learning and having to do tests

996
01:34:54,427 --> 01:35:02,607
And you can see the difference between the kids schooling, like when they're together, people go, how's your daughter?

997
01:35:03,307 --> 01:35:09,967
What? She talks to me like she's an adult, like not in a rude way, but she respects herself.

998
01:35:09,967 --> 01:35:27,967
And I'm excited. When I look at the schooling system, I just wonder what I would have become if I hadn't of, you know, if I'd spent all my childhood playing and learning through experiencing and problem solving.

999
01:35:27,967 --> 01:35:37,947
I, you know, QW, I talk to a lot of people and it brings up quite a lot of sadness for the adults when they wonder what could have been.

1000
01:35:38,067 --> 01:35:55,738
But all I can do now is love my daughter and be there and allow her to be self in her learning and you know allow her to be who she is and and that what we doing in a place to be people can do what they

1001
01:35:55,738 --> 01:36:01,838
want you know we don't there's no forcing but there is a community of like-minded people who

1002
01:36:01,838 --> 01:36:09,978
are very loving and who respect children and treat them as they would an adult and that allows

1003
01:36:09,978 --> 01:36:19,698
children to flourish in freedom as sylvia says i would say hi rob hi hello how you doing

1004
01:36:19,698 --> 01:36:24,078
the other co-host uh my two and a half year old

1005
01:36:24,078 --> 01:36:34,438
rob the question to ask is would you have been the author of glitch the book no i wouldn't if

1006
01:36:34,438 --> 01:36:35,298
No, right.

1007
01:36:35,758 --> 01:36:35,918
Yeah.

1008
01:36:36,518 --> 01:36:51,070
Avi you just come in there with some absolute some altitude of wisdom there Yeah If I hadn gone through the pain I went through I would have never produced the book So you quite it could never have been another way

1009
01:36:52,190 --> 01:36:53,690
Yeah. Life happened for you, Rob.

1010
01:36:53,810 --> 01:36:54,050
Yeah.

1011
01:36:54,110 --> 01:36:55,050
As it does for everyone.

1012
01:36:55,630 --> 01:36:57,030
True. Very true.

1013
01:36:57,030 --> 01:37:03,250
Well, listen, Rob, really appreciate you coming back to the show, sharing your wisdom once again.

1014
01:37:04,210 --> 01:37:07,230
I thoroughly enjoyed reading Glitch.

1015
01:37:07,490 --> 01:37:12,210
I would urge everyone listening to check it out.

1016
01:37:12,710 --> 01:37:15,350
We will put up the links in the show notes.

1017
01:37:16,130 --> 01:37:17,270
Please get Rob's book.

1018
01:37:17,370 --> 01:37:18,430
It will change your life.

1019
01:37:19,510 --> 01:37:20,790
I guarantee it.

1020
01:37:24,670 --> 01:37:25,450
Thanks, Rob.

1021
01:37:25,450 --> 01:37:27,350
Yeah, thank you very much.

1022
01:37:27,550 --> 01:37:32,310
And for the listeners, thank you for tuning in to Pioneer Chain Radio, Avi.

1023
01:37:32,670 --> 01:37:39,190
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1024
01:37:39,830 --> 01:37:41,530
Until next week, goodbye.

1025
01:37:43,190 --> 01:37:43,830
Goodbye.