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Today is Sunday, February 15th, and I am joined by the one and only, the man, the myth, the legend, Tatum Turnip.
Now, Tatum needs no introduction, but you may know him as the creator and host of Between
Two Asics and an OG in the space.
I want to welcome Tatum to the show here and I'm excited for this conversation.
How's it going, Tatum?
It is going well.
I'm excited to be here, happy to be.
This is my first, I guess, radio show that I've done and I'm really excited for it.
So I've, uh, I got some good tracks that I've picked out and yeah, this is, uh, it's going to be fun.
Yeah, man. I mean, I got to ask, you got the, you've got the killer, the killer playlist.
Are you wearing the vest right now?
Uh, uh, I don't know if I should lie or not.
Uh, no, I will admit I'm not wearing the vest right now after I, uh, I, I, I mean, honestly, if we're being transparent, I think the vest was, uh,
one of the worst things to ever happen to me.
And what I mean is that while one,
it is hilarious and very rememberable or memorable,
sorry.
Once you actually do that at like at a conference,
it,
and you realize you're stuck with it.
It really sucks because like,
I remember the first time I had it at a conference at the conference in
Miami.
I mean,
I had to wear it.
It's my brand.
and I would take it off and there would just be like still a vest,
but made of sweat on my shirt.
And also this might be a little TMI, but my nipples,
they do not like the vest either.
It is rough.
Those things are heavy.
Well, this one, okay.
This one is not, it does not have any plates in it.
People always ask me.
So yes, it is a little LARPy, but it is hot.
It's hot and itchy, but it is not that heavy.
Luckily.
tell me tell me a bit about the uh the origin i'm always like i love the show i actually
i met you for the first time i remember at the uh the first ever irl nostrich flock when we all
got together in miami for the uh the karaoke night at uh what was it called kill rock stars i think
i can't remember what it was called but i i do it was a cool spot the whole the whole night was a
little bit of a blur let me say i think yeah i think we yeah everybody was uh having a good time
and uh also have you hear any rumors about derrick ross in a pole dancing pole i yeah and it was
a very prominently placed pole up above looking over the whole venue
um i just remember you jamming to sugar hill gang yeah and they played the long version yeah
and i realized it i was like wait a second this one is nine minutes long and i i was like okay
guys can y'all cut it but you stuck with it though man you were you were jamming i was i
there was something a longer portion of it than normal yeah it was it was real fun um but yeah the
the origin of the vest is way it it's a lot more uh it's not as exciting as people want it to be
i think but it's still kind of fun i uh i think it started i was watching a music video or something
where the guy where the guy in the video had a bulletproof vest on in a situation he definitely
didn't need one on. And I thought to myself, that's sick. I want one. And so I went on Amazon,
you know, where you can get anything. And I saw one that was like 30 bucks or something. And
I knew it wasn't going to be actually bulletproof. And I ordered it. And I honestly forgot about it
within like five days it took to get to me. And I opened it. I was like, oh, sick. And I took it
out of the package put it on once looked in the mirror and I was like cool uh where am I going to
wear this and so it kind of just sat like in the corner of my office for a very long time and um
then I one day I had a a call for work and it I was working remotely so I had you know my
sweatpants on but then I had a button-up shirt and a tie um and then right after that I had another
call uh that was non-work related and I was like oh wait this will be funny let me put the vest on
over this and so I put the vest on over my button-up and and tie and it first of all it was
hilarious um and someone grabbed a screenshot of it and I was like well this is my personality now
and so it was my profile picture for a while uh and then i decided that i wanted to do between two
asics and i don't really know why i thought to have the vest as my uniform but i did and now
it's stuck so uh yeah that vest is is part of me now that's awesome did anybody uh i'm looking at
the original you've got quite an impressive lineup of guests um did anybody just come right
out of the gate and ask why you're wearing it or they just accept it they just accept this as the
guy everyone and and so i knew that that was going to be a common question and so i i i thought of
a few different routes to go with that so one of my favorite streamers is grand poo bear and
it never fails in most of his streams and YouTube videos.
Someone in his chat asked where his name comes from.
And the reality is no one actually knows,
but he so confidently tells a different story every single time and makes it
seem very legitimate.
And so I thought about that,
but then I was like,
I don't know if I can make up like a funny story on the spot every single
time on why I wear this quote unquote bulletproof vest.
And so the second line of thought was just in case.
And if anyone asks anything further, just in case of what I explain no further, it's
just in case.
And so I'm on the record of saying that I think I want to say Peter McCormick might
have asked me just in case of what.
And I said, just in case.
and then we got into like
I think in that one I said
I live in America this is like normal or something
but yeah it's literally just in case
what was the inspiration
I mean obviously the satire
spoof on the original show
but what was your inspiration
for putting together the program
and how did you pull it all together
you had some I mean
but some pretty incredible guests uh jack dorsey episode 10 was that down in nasta rica yep that
was uh my first uh filming abroad um yeah it really just started as me i've always kind of
been like the class clown uh and kind of just the fun loving goofy guy that will find the the humor
and whatever it is no matter how morbid um and yes that has gotten me in trouble sometimes but uh
I got in the Bitcoin space, and this is a little longer winded, but I'll try to abbreviate it a little bit.
But when I got into the Bitcoin space, I was working in TradFi, which is ironically what radicalized me.
And then I, long story short, I quit my TradFi job with no plan whatsoever, except that I wanted to work in the Bitcoin space somehow.
and I really did not know what I wanted to do.
I thought at first I wanted to use my TradFi background
to kind of see if I can work on some sort of integration
between Bitcoin and traditional finance.
That didn't work.
I didn't even want to be in TradFi, honestly.
But then I was like, you know what?
I'm going to try to show my proof of work.
I don't know what that's going to be.
And of course, everyone had a podcast and I was seeing all these people.
This is when I started like I started getting a little bigger on Bitcoin Twitter, not like
big, big, but like I was making some meaningful connections with people and actually learning
and asking questions and stuff.
So I started a blog called Explain Bitcoin Like I'm Five, where, as you could assume, I explained Bitcoin in like five-year-old terms, basically.
And I did that for probably two or three posts, I want to say.
But then I realized, like, I'm not a long-form writer.
and so while I did feel a little success there I didn't see any returns or anything not necessarily
financially or anything like that but like I didn't get any satisfaction from it and it was
too difficult for me to be a long-form rider then I uh tried to do some hardware wallet tutorial
videos which I did one on uh Trezor which might still be on my YouTube I can't remember
but I realized that because I did have a deep fascination with hardware wallets and I still do
they're extremely cool but filming that that and like the amount of takes the amount of mess ups
the amount of uh just going in circles was so long like the video ended up being maybe 20 minutes
But it took me probably, I'd say, a collective five hours to film it.
And then that turned into another maybe five hours to edit it.
And it was just, it was not sustainable at all.
And then, of course, I went down the podcast route, or at least tried.
That didn't even get off the ground.
And I kind of just realized, I think I was watching, I think the moment was,
I was watching Dylan LeClaire on a mainstream media outlet. And I said to myself, like,
if I ever interviewed him, I'd ask, I can't even remember what it was now. But like,
it was something that wasn't like an actual question. It was like a satirical, silly,
stupid question. And I started just kind of like making a little little notes on like jokes
targeted towards Bitcoiners that people know and listen to. And I realized, wait a second,
I can do something out of this. And I've always loved Between Two Ferns. It is one of my favorite
pieces of entertainment because so many reasons why. But I was like, you know what, I'm going to
Bitcoinize this. And I just had this, I still have the screenshot of the discord message I sent in a
group of some Bitcoiners that I hadn met It said something like I have a stupid idea It might work It might not And I just started working on it and I wrote an entire script for
uh,
or I think I can't remember if it,
if I wrote the scripts first or no,
I think that I was,
I just started reaching out to people.
Uh,
I started a Geyser fund.
Oh,
excuse me.
And luckily I would not be where I am right now without Geyser.
Uh,
and I'm eternally thankful for them.
This was before you could actually just publish your own and you had to
submit projects for crowdfunding.
And they had actually closed their,
their crowdfunding or their submissions for like a revamp or whatever.
But I reached out to them and I can't remember if it was Stelios,
Mick,
or both of them reached back out and was like,
Hey,
this is actually really good.
And we want to make one for you.
So we're going to do that.
I was like, oh, nice. And so I was doing these promos and stuff. I got I got my dad, who's a photographer, to it.
It was really difficult to explain what I wanted him to do. I said, hey, man, I need to come up to your studio in this bulletproof vest and have these miners.
I need you to take some pictures. He goes, all right, I'll just do whatever.
And so he did that. I was making these promos, putting them on Geyser. And one of the cool side stories of it was I did some incentive structures where if you donated X amount of sats, I would put you in the credits or X amount of sats, I would give you a shout out. X amount of sats, I put a sticker on one of the ASICs.
And then as like a Hail Mary, when I said like, I want to say it was if you send me a million sats, I'll get the.
Oh, no, it was a timed thing.
I said, if I make a million sats towards this in the matter of X amount of days or whatever, I'll get the supply formula tattooed on my arm.
And Brad Mills donated a metric buttload of sats.
I don't remember how much it was, but it just blew that goal out of the water.
And so I was like, all right, well, I got to go get this tattoo.
So I did get the tattoo.
It wasn't until I'm kind of skipping forward, but it wasn't until a couple months later,
I was on a space with him.
And I said, Brad, did you know that you're responsible for my tattoo?
He goes, what are you talking about?
And I explained it all to him.
He goes, I had no idea.
And so Brad Mills is the reason that I have a supply formula tattoo.
But from there, I literally once I got enough money to kind of plan out a trip because it wasn't going to be I knew that it could not be virtual.
It had to be in person because that's how the jokes would land.
I literally just started cold emailing people.
I'm talking I reach out to Sailor.
I reach out to I reach out to several people and some of them I don't really want to mention right now because of the.
Just some reasons.
But I also reached out to Anthony Pompliano, and he didn't respond to me, obviously.
I mean, it wasn't expected.
The turning point was, so previously, I was in Anthony Pompliano's Crypto Academy,
which, ironically enough, is what fully orange-pilled me.
I was a large-scale crypto bro in the shitcoinery and stuff,
But some of his coaches who are still some of my best friends helped me understand what actually being a Bitcoiner was.
And so I had been, you know, shit posting on Twitter all the time on my birthday in 2022.
I post on Twitter for no reason whatsoever at a Pompliano.
Do you have something to tell me?
And just because it was my birthday and I knew he wasn't going to see it.
well, I go check my DMs and I see Anthony Pompliano in him.
And he said, what do I need to tell you?
And I go, okay, hold on.
I didn't expect to get this far.
And so I like kind of explained like that was just like a shit post.
I'm sorry.
I was, it's my birthday and that's what I meant by it.
And so he goes back and responds and says, happy birthday.
And I was like, you know what?
Hell yeah.
and so I went back to the DM since I was now in there and I was like by the way uh I don't know
I sent an email to your media inquiry or whatever he goes send it to my personal and I was like oh
my god it's happening and so I sent him a script an idea everything and he was like you know what
that sounds great let's do it so I booked a flight to Miami and filmed with him and that was that was
the start and then he subsequently got Peter McCormick my second guest uh I filmed that while
I was in Miami because Peter was in Miami too he texted Peter and said hey you got to do this show
and so I've got to no matter what your opinion is on Anthony Pompliano I owe him so much he he
was one of the reasons I'm still here um and got got where I am same with Geyser yeah that long
winded but yeah that was how it kind of started and it's it's just a really fun story that i'm
really glad that that happened like it's it's one of those things that i'm going to tell my kids and
it it's kind of just it's a big moment it was a big moment in my life that's awesome i'm glad
you shared that because i look at your i looked at the history of between two asics and i'm like
how did you come out of the gate with that one i still don't even know man i guess just being
an idiot on Twitter sometimes works.
That's great.
So what do you got?
I mean, this is, yeah, it's incredible.
A lineup.
Anthony Pompliano, McCormick, Sessions, Joe Consori, Dennis Porter, Eric Yakes, Jack Dorsey,
Max and Stacey, Mark Goodwin, double dip with McCormick.
Yeah, McCormick was the first one that had two appearances.
And it was crazy because he actually wanted to film again with me.
He asked me while we were at the Bitcoin conference.
When I filmed with him the first time and Pomp, that was just me traveling to them.
But the second time was at the conference.
And he was like, him and Danny were like, hey, are you filming?
We want to do another episode.
I was like, yes, absolutely.
I still think people ask me who my favorite guest is.
And of course I have to be like, Oh, I love all my guests.
I have some guests that are good. Some guests that are bad.
And my,
my two best guests that I've ever had are Peter and Jack Dorsey.
Cause in both of them, at least the first one with Peter in both of them,
I legitimately thought that I had pissed them off while we were filming.
And as we kept going, I,
I was fighting in my head of do I need to cut this right now?
no I need to just finish it out we're here let's do it and it wasn't until the cameras cut that
they both were like oh dude that was hilarious that's gonna cut great I was like oh thank god
I think I think I actually got both their reactions um Peter the first time walked off
as I was doing the closer and picked up his phone and started talking to someone
and I was like I just got to do this
this outro uh thanks for
watching whatever yada yada and
I was like alright I think we're good
I'm sorry if that was too much
and he goes oh no mate that was hilarious
and I was like oh thank
god um and
same thing with Jack I he was like
oh man that was really funny so
yeah that's great
well I'm gonna cut to your first song I wanna
pick this up when we get off the
the uh V4V
DJ here, but tell me about
the Tokyo Citadel
remix that you picked. Yeah, this is
Man Like Quecks, and it's a
remix by Richard,
and I think
I first heard this
at the
at the having, I want to say,
on one of
the websites, I can't remember, but
I was like, and it was also a video as
well, I was like, this is the coolest thing
I've ever seen, and I really like electronic
music as well so uh this this kind of scratched all the areas of my brain love it well everybody
enjoy this is tokyo citadel remix we are getting reports that man like quakes has left tanzania
authorities believe he is starting a citadel on a different continent he is still at large
for owning his private keys
Tokyo drifting, what Nakimoto gifted
These dollars don't make sense, no longer on the fence
Bitcoin only, homie, Michael Saylor told me
Ain't no second best, it's my one and only
Fear taking L's, Bitcoin doing well
I'm in Tokyo, at the Ciddell
Konichiwa, wife like red dot GTI
DCA to BTC, stacking sats, it's my name, sure
Hey, call DTY, white flight red dot GTI
DCA to BTC, stack and status manager
Tick tock, next block, this is a major epoch
My C phrase, I keep locked, don't worry about what we got
Tick tock, next block, tick tock, next block
Tick tock, next block
Yes.
No second best, best.
This is a major epop
Tick tock, next block
This is a major epop
Tick tock, next block
Don't worry about what we've done
Tick tock, tick tock
ED
The whereabouts of man-like Quakes is still unknown.
Authorities are still unsure of his motives for promoting banned words such as self-custody and sovereignty.
Love it. Love it.
Excellent banger.
I was just texting with Quakes yesterday, and I still have never met him in person because he's in Tanzania.
and uh feel like feel like i know him well i do know him but um he's gonna be in prog this year
so anybody who's making their making their way to that conference um get a chance to see him
perform potentially in person i really need to i need to reach back out to him we we were we were
really close for a little while and uh i mean i still think we are but we just both got busy and
stuff but he uh he's doing some great things down in africa i i almost we've had a couple of close
encounters where we were gonna possibly meet each other in person but it still hadn't happened but
that man is extremely talented he's extremely passionate and i just i can't wait to see him
headlining these massive festivals and and shows and stuff he's he's he's the man i love quags
yeah he is great the academy that he's doing and oh yeah he did the dance uh the dance festival
event i mean so creative so such a great influence
so back back to the show qa6
we've got it started started what like three years ago yeah four years ago i'll address the elephant
in the room it hasn't published yeah what do you got in the hopper what do you got in the hopper
for us the people are waiting there's there's been a lot of uh i i i'm notorious also for
hyping something up and then not delivering uh but not out not in my control like i i've had a lot of
bumps in the road with a lot of the stuff that i have been uh trying to do and i know that i was
doing a big promotion for season two which was going to be the same same idea but it was going
to be based on the eric andre show rather than between two ferns um and i still do have some of
those uh i i mean i i need to connect with my uh producer which i also hadn't talked to him in a
while either um we've both been going our own ways too like that's one thing like when you're doing
this stuff and it not um like it a passion project and it not your livelihood it kind of is it really difficult um and but i still have those i one i planning on releasing all of the unreleased between two asics that i filmed several years ago uh and all the
ones that i the between or the eric andre shows aka the tatum turnip show in vegas this last year
um i still plan on doing all that but i had some production issues i i signed with the company
and they just did not deliver.
And it kind of put me just in a really bad spot
to where I just couldn't do it.
But it's not completely over.
And I do have some plans on bringing it back,
hopefully relatively soon.
But I've learned in the past that
Real G's move in silence.
So I'm kind of just building quietly.
And Rulg's moving silence like lasagna.
That doesn't make sense unless you add the last part.
Sorry.
But I am building and I hope to come back very soon with it.
And if it works out how I want it to, the return episode very well could break the internet as we know it.
And when I say that, I mean just the people who are chronically online in the Bitcoin sphere.
But it will shake Bitcoiners to their core if they've been following along.
So super excited for it when it does happen.
But I'm just kind of taking it easy and not trying to force it.
Because I want it, not if, when it comes back, I want it to be what I want it to be.
and I don't want it to feel rushed.
And that's the biggest thing that I need to focus on.
So I'm not putting any hard deadlines or anything.
I gave a lot of deadlines in the past that I just did not deliver on.
Because, I mean, when you think about it,
and I might get flamed for this,
but I kind of am running a production company,
But by that, I mean, I don't know how to and I'm not is the is what I'm saying.
Like it it's not as it's not something I can just like film, edit, post like it's it's got a whole business around it that I don't know how to run.
And so I'm learning about it.
I'm talking to some people and have some really heavy hitters in my corner that want to help me out.
So I'm hopefully going to at least have some funding.
That's the one of the main things that makes this so difficult is the funding, because like I said, the it can't be virtual.
That's just not how the comedy I want to do works.
It's got to be in person.
It's got to that's how the jokes land.
And so the funding is the main issue.
And I think that I might be close to solving that permanently.
and from there
hopefully it will snowball
but that's
pretty ambiguous and
intentionally so
Do you run
any of the
value for value rails on
when you broadcast?
I know that they're on YouTube
that's where I originally
found them because that's
you know that was before all of these
Noster streams were up
um have you had any success raising any support that way honestly no but it's because i have not
leaned into it like i i need to um like you said i post them all on youtube that was before
a lot of um the nostreverse was was uh expanding to where i could post those on a
nostril equivalent uh youtube platform or something like that um and by the time like
i haven't posted in in a very long time but uh by the time it started getting easier to do that
i just didn't have anything to post um so it was kind of just like i was a little earlier
than i needed to be as far as the nostril nostril side of things go um yeah but that that's definitely
I mean, that's on my radar. I've been Nostra since December 2022. And I mean, I've taken a few breaks here and there. But I mean, I love the mission of what Nostra wants to do and taking that middleman out and giving that value for value is what what this is supposed to be.
I started it because like the reason that I went through with it once I had those ideas of like making a comedy Bitcoin show was that we were in the depths of a bear market.
And I didn't like, yeah, I would have loved to make some money off of it.
But my primary goal was I wanted to meet people that I looked up to.
And when I did that, I wanted to make people smile because people were not smiling.
It was just knives on Twitter and everything.
It was just everyone's ripping each other apart and we needed something to, you know, lighten the mood a little bit.
And so that's what I tried to set out and do.
So, I mean, if that's the value that I'm giving, I don't really care if I don't receive any monetary value from it.
It would definitely help.
But, you know, I just want to make people smile.
um that's i think that's my life mission is to make people remember that you know things aren't
so serious uh and you lighten up every now and then so uh that that that's definitely on the
radar when it comes back though um and i've been doing some streaming lately on zap zap.stream
uh kind of trying to reintegrate with the whole nostraverse since it i i kind of took a step back
after uh some some hell threads and some it basically made my user experience hell um but
i've been trying to get back on it and it's so fun the development is is crazy i've met some of
my best friends on nostr um and they still are my best friends like uh it's it's such a cool
technology, an idea, and having a whole ecosystem around it where you can share content, where you
can talk to people, that means everything. So I want to use it to make people smile.
I love it. Yeah, I co-sign all of that that you said. The technology is awesome, and then
And then by nature just attracts a certain type of person that you tend to have more in common with and connect with.
And you see the world, at least in certain aspects, similar.
And it just breeds all of these really interesting conversations and really interesting relationships.
And we hop on planes, travel all over the world just to go hang out for two nights together.
So going to Costa Rica was the first time that I've been abroad, aside from like a cruise to the Bahamas with my family for like a couple hours or something like that.
I don't even consider that.
But I was later on, I was talking to my mom and I was saying I was talking about going to Costa Rica.
And I said something about Walker, Walker America.
and I said Walker America and she's like hold on is that his real name I said of course not
and she looks at me just weird and says she's like do you know his real name I said no and she
looks at me even weirder and says so you're traveling across the world to hang out with
these people that you don't even know their name and I said yeah absolutely and that's just sounds
about right what we're doing it's been going great that's awesome well let's hop into your
next song here we've got inhale exhale from just loud what do you want to tell the people about
this one yeah this is a this is just a really good vibe song um i i found just loud on wave lake
uh and i looked at him on spotify and he's actually pretty big on spotify i i had not
I heard of him prior to me just kind of stumbling upon him,
which is also just another cool feature of Noster and the network effect that it has
and how algorithms are not necessarily forcing what they want down our throats.
So I think it's really cool that I found him on the platform that he's less popular on.
But it's just a really good, vibey song.
So, yeah, I just I enjoyed it.
Yeah, let's take a listen. This is Inhale, Exhale by Just Loud.
I'm so excited.
Thank you.
It's more than a thrill
It's a different kind
I'll see you next time.
Thank you.
Outro Music
So to say, mind to mind, mind to mind
Mind to bodies, eye to eyes
So to say, mind to mind
All right.
yeah that was i i love that song like i just was grooving back here like it the his vocal range in that song alone is just really fun Like he starts really deep and can get all the way up high
It really gives me some Alabama Shakes vibes.
It's just grungy, rocky.
Like, I really, like, I'm glad I stumbled upon him,
because I'm going to definitely start listening on the reg.
That's awesome.
Do you know the backstory behind him?
No, I don't.
interesting yeah so um really cool story he actually um he played at our venue at first
avenue with ainsley in 2023 it was our first value for value like big blowout live concert
and they ended up it was wild they ended up getting like 19 million sats over two days
it was nuts yeah but uh just loud um he was a a signed artist on a major label um my by total
happenstance um in my day job one of my lawyers represent like went to a show at lalapalooza
and just loud was performing on one of the side stages and he just went on a rant about
he couldn't get out of this bad record deal
and you know
it was a big
damn the man
he basically rage quit on stage
that's awesome
and my buddy
gave him a business
card and never thought he'd hear from him
and then a couple months later
JL reached out
to him and they helped him get out of a
bad record deal and so he went
fully independent
and
And that's when Adam, the lawyer's name, told me about him.
And I said, well, he sounds like a perfect candidate for Noster and Value for Value.
Let's go.
And so we started meeting with him and told him about what was going on.
And he agreed to give it a whirl.
So he's really into the idea of the space.
He's not a power user by any means.
He's, you know, when we do something.
that really especially yeah yeah from a big record deal and going full independent with value for
value like it i definitely don't expect someone to just completely port over everything and
pour all their resources into this maybe it works maybe it doesn't thing but it's very cool that he
gave it a try um and i hope that it gives some more artists uh some some opportunity and some
ideas. I mean, this is what, at WhatFest in Wyoming, what we were kind of promoting was,
like, I, whenever I was walking around giving people the primal cards, I was telling them that,
hey, we're taking the middleman from between artists and their audience. You know, they,
they deserve what you want to give them, not, you know, what their label wants to decide what they
deserve like it i that's one thing that that i think is just failed in this capitalistic society
that we have is is just agency uh whether it be you know music or um or even media other forms of
media like acting and stuff like that i know that i i know that media or sorry music is a little more
problematic. Just look at, you know, Britney Spears and Taylor Swift. Like, each story is
different, but kind of has that same center point of, you know, I want to make music for whatever
reason, and someone else wants to help me make music for money. And it just kind of, it takes a
tolling people.
There's a rookie on the
switchboard
back here laughing at you.
That's funny.
Oh, that's great.
But yeah, WhatFest.
I'm glad you brought that up. I think that was the last
time we hung out in person. Yeah.
That was a blast, man.
And what a good... So fun.
Kind of came out of nowhere.
Yeah, it was completely spur of the moment for me, and I do not regret a single bit of it.
It was awesome.
Yeah, and haven't heard any of the details about 26, but I know it's in late July in Wyoming again, and I say we do it.
It was fun.
And those guys, the best part about it was when we're talking about growing value for value, growing the space, these people were all into it.
Like they, you know, the big difference when I see, you know, like Just Loud, for example, he was he was all into it as long as I was pushing the buttons.
Right. You know, getting getting somebody totally up and running and then just doing it on their own.
is really the goal and so as soon as like the coach or the guide stops helping them it it
loses traction but those people out at what fest um they were talking about it on stage like the
organizers of the conference were like hey go check out the tent there go go learn about this
and then they're putting it on uh wyoming public radio on the actual broadcast and you know that
was really promising so i think that's that's something we gotta put some more energy into also
for the listeners that aren't familiar what fest is uh you might be able to do a better job
explaining it but it was it's a small little music festival in wyoming that was kind of just
it embraces independent artistry is that right yeah it was super fun like people camp out
there was rv camping that that was actually the first time that i had i'd been wanting to do
some camping and stuff since I had moved out to Colorado, um, but didn't really have too much of
an opportunity, and then I was, I can't remember how I got roped into, uh, WhatFest, but I was like,
wait a second, I can do a little camping, have a little fun, you know, promote some freedom money,
promote some good, uh, good value for value, and, uh, camped out with, uh, you know, on my car,
from a car to a tree and had a couple days of just some really good music,
really fun vibes, sat around a fire and just had jam sessions, man.
It was so great.
Yeah, I think we should get more Nostrages out there this year.
For sure.
And it's the 21st anniversary of WhatFest, so why not?
And then we ran into, what is his name?
Jay?
John Nevin?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just randomly.
He was like hanging around us and I was glad that he was interested in what we were doing.
And then I was like, we figured out that he's been on Nostra for a while.
I was like, yo, this is sick.
Yeah, he's already chatting with us online.
It definitely felt kind of like...
But didn't know who he was in the real world.
It kind of felt like Nostra Rica, like a side event kind of.
Like in a way, it was just a very small little community of people just hanging out, sharing art and fun.
And it was it was super like that.
That's just like a great if I could have the crowd that I'm cool with on Noster go out to Wyoming for a couple of days and camp out there.
That would make my entire year like it's great.
oh and not to underplay the event
either they had a couple
thousand people there
it was a big proper
it was a music festival
but it was also like their communities
like you know
weekend getaway where everybody stays
and camps on site
yeah it wasn't any
just mom and pop like
let's put a stage here
it was a full production
and it was
really great
Yeah. I love it. Well, let's get into your next song here. We've got Ainsley Costello, the OG, the OG one million sat wonder on Wavelake with Cherry on top. How did you, I mean, I think everybody, everybody caught this one by storm.
Our value for value queen, as I like to call her.
We've spoken a few times, and I just have so much respect for her.
She's extremely talented.
She's extremely brave and bold doing this.
And she's also a great example of for other artists that, you know, maybe maybe they don't know what other options there are than the traditional route.
And she is showing that, like, I mean, she I do not like making comparisons, but like she she's like she's like our own little chapel room.
She is just, she's got a crazy voice.
She's crazy talented.
And this is one of those songs that I will never admit that I scream in my car, but I do.
And yeah, she's great.
She's our value for value queen.
I love it.
And I love seeing her.
She's been out on the road quite a bit.
I noticed she's been at Noster Valley in Pennsylvania.
She was over in the UK for BitFest.
fest um she's going to dc uh i think she just announced that she was going to dc for oh yeah
in march uh nostril run or something i can't remember what it was yeah and she did a thing
at the new pub key out there she was down in florida for um what was that the natalie brunell
thing she's she's a beast it's awesome yeah she's she's slept on like i i need her to hit
even more exit velocity because people are missing out uh if they don't know Ainsley Costello
absolutely well let's get let's get into this song
I'm not as dense as you think I am
I know that you didn't know
That I knew about your little plan
But you had to go and tell everyone
about my attention that you hadn't won.
But I bet you're wondering why cute little knife
doesn't hurt my back like you thought it would.
Well, thankfully, you did the hard fight for me,
and I just think it's good.
You put the cheerios off for the mess you made,
but I'll leave it out for wrong.
Won't say a lot, won't give you the reaction that you want.
Do you tear it on your top?
Oh, oh, oh, oh
You tear it on your top
Cause I knew that if I did
Your eyes would sneak away to the corner of the room
Cause I knew that you weren't used to having it all given back to you
And though it might be something to see your face red and cry like a little boy
You might deserve it but it don't serve a purpose
And though I'm five-two, I'm still the bigger person
You tear yourself up for the mess you made
But I'll leave it out to rock
We'll see a lot won't give you the reaction
That you want to tear your arms up
Up, up
You tear your arms up
Up, up
Well, honey, I hope you know that I wish you well
Well, maybe I don't, but you know that I never tell
Cause either way you can't say you didn't handle it with grace
Cause at the end of the day
I'm not the one who put the cherry on top of the mess you made
But I'll leave it out to rot
Won't say a lie, won't give you the reaction that you want
You put your cherry on top for the mess you made
But I'll leave it out for right
Won't say a lie, won't give you the reaction that you want
And your cherry on top
Your cherry on top
It's very awesome
like making comparisons and then compared Chapel Rhone,
but she's better than Chapel Rhone.
I mean, I'll say it.
Like, I don't know what it was listening to that,
but like there's more passion in Ainsley's voice than Chapel Rhone.
Like she, you could tell that this girl, like, oh my God, I love her.
Like she, she just knows she's got it.
She's got that secret sauce.
and hopefully one day I am on the rail of her headlining a music festival or something.
That girl can sing.
She is fantastic, and the space is extremely lucky to have her here running around the world
and spreading the good word and the great music.
I just got a message from Ainsley's number one superfan, Heather Larson, here,
showing us the next appearance opportunity.
March 15th, 2026, Hanes Point, Washington, D.C.
Ainsley will be at the Pub Key event and the Runster sponsored event.
That's what it is, Runster. Okay.
Yeah, so make sure you get out there.
It looks like we've got a half day of events
followed by a music showcase in the afternoon.
So that's going to be awesome.
Sweet. Yeah, I...
And speaking of music showcases, let's talk about the next Tatum Turnip music showcase.
You've got something cooking here in, I mean, it's under two months almost.
Oh, jeez. That is approaching faster than...
Las Vegas, Las Vegas Part Deux.
Dude, I'm super excited. I did my debut DJ set last year, and all things considered, I think it went really well.
uh it was my first time like club DJing I had done you know smaller stuff at the frat house and
and things like that but uh never in Vegas I mean great I do like saying it like I headlined a Vegas
show um because it sounds really cool um but I I'd never done like a a club party where I like go
and they have an actual bigger setup or anything like that.
And I really enjoy doing it, and I'm cooking up a new set,
and I'm super excited for it.
All I can say is that, like, this, you don't want to,
if you go to Vegas for anything around the Bitcoin conference,
it needs to be for my set because I'm going to melt your face off.
It's going to be super high energy, super, super fun, super bouncy.
Just, I mean, I want to bring the people together.
I told you that, you know, my main goal in life is to make people smile.
And whether that's through comedy or, you know, just mixing tracks and reading that energy
and delivering that energy to a crowd, I love doing it.
So I'm super excited about that.
It's sad that Val won't be there with me.
Shout out to Val, who also got me,
really got me out of my little smaller ideas of DJing
and gave me the confidence to kind of do it more publicly.
She's a goat, and I love her, miss her so much.
I hadn't seen her in a while.
But yeah, it's going to be real fun.
uh i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna melt some faces hopefully absolutely can't wait and yeah val val
was on the sunday brunch last week so check that out if you you hadn't gotten to it yet um it's
really fun to hear what she's working on and again wish wish we could have her in vegas again this
year but you know we got to make room for the tatum you know i guess i'll just have to do a
longer set you know and and have it even higher energy to make up for it but um she'll be there
absolutely and that's uh tuesday april 28th that we all scream in the uh same same location as last
year and we're going to blow it out of the water this year so we'll have live performers um doing
some value for value music sets on the back patio like last year during the early hours and then as
the night transitions more into the later evening tatum takes over the party and burns it all down
figuratively i don't i don't know if there's any pyrotechnics or not but uh you know we'll see
it is vegas you are headlining in vegas after all exactly i remember um one thing in my childhood
that I often think back to playing Guitar Hero 3
that whenever you're loading in a song,
there's like little comedic little snippets or whatever.
And one of them always, one of them said something like
never trust homemade pyrotechnics or something like that.
I just think back to that every now and then
when I'm like watching a DJ set or something,
like I can figure this out.
But then I think back to that loading screen,
I'm like, no, no, I need to leave that up to the professionals.
Yeah.
have some just absolute gas cannons but yeah i'm super excited are you doing anything else in
vegas are you just attend are you going to any of the conference or i think i last year i didn't go
to a single panel i don't think we were all running around doing nostor events i was i was
at the conference but i also did not go to a single speaker and quite frankly had the best
time in my life and i i urge everyone like look you're going to be able to see those speeches
again if you're going to if you're going to any conference related to bitcoin nostre or anything
not necessarily nostre actually that's completely different story and i'll go into that but
if you're going to like a bitcoin conference um you're going to see those speakers again and again
they're probably going to be regurgitating the same exact thing everyone says they have a huge
announcement and it is never as big as it seems. And if it's just the fact of seeing
them in the meet space, you can still probably do that outside of the panels. The best way to
maximize your experience at a Bitcoin conference is to just mingle with as many people as you can
outside of the speaker halls. Now, I mean, don't get me wrong. There are some of the...
that really kind of goes for like headliners.
I'm talking to Michael Saylor,
Jack Dorsey.
Don't get me wrong.
I,
I love,
love them death.
Um,
especially Jack.
Jack is so cool and has been very helpful to me as well.
Um,
but some,
sometimes like on the smaller stages,
the ones that don't get publicity,
those are the ones that you also might want to go to.
I remember,
uh,
shoot,
was it,
I can't remember when it was,
but it was,
I think it was the open source stage.
I can't remember if it was Miami or it had to be Vegas.
I want to say,
um,
it was the first Noster panel really.
And I think it was,
uh,
will,
uh,
rockstar.
I can't remember who else it was,
but I remember that it was standing room only.
And I mean,
that was really cool to see.
Not because like,
like I knew what they were talking about,
but there were several people in there that had no idea.
what Nostra even was. They came to the conference for other reasons. Maybe they were even waiting on
something else in that room and just wanted to secure their seat, but had to sit through that.
Those are great. The ones that are really close-knit, those are awesome. The ones with the
cameras and the spotlights and the LED screens, I'm just going to be completely honest, you don't
have to go to those. The best value you can get out of those conferences is going to side events,
mingling in the expo hall, visiting different booths, and just exploring what else there is
other than what you primarily thought you wanted to go see. And the thing about NOSR conferences
that I was alluding to was those, granted, the only one that I've been to, been able to go to
is Nostarica, but I've followed closely on all the ones following that. Those aren't conferences.
Those aren't, those are, I mean, we called Nostarica the unconference and it was so close
and knit there there weren't several hundred people walking around outside buying merch and
stuff like that while there was uh jack was speaking on a keynote or something in this room
or whatever everyone was really kind of doing the same thing on their own granted but like if there
was a talk most everyone was there maybe they were sitting all the way up front taking notes or they
were coding on the spot shout out uh pablo um then they also could have just been hanging out
in the back like me and walker and carla and suzy and and then the most important part of it was
that they were almost every single one of them was hands-on crowd participation like i was at a
i was in a building where i could directly talk to jack dorsey and ask him a question in front of
several tens, maybe a hundred. I can't remember how many people were there.
Wasn't too many, but in front of all these people and he answered me and then do the same thing for
someone else. And, and then in the back of the tent, when I was talking to him, he showed me a
bit key before it even came out, which was one of the coolest things that has ever happened to me.
That's awesome. But like that, that goes for, you can kind of translate that. Like
If you go to these conferences, do not go for yourself and to soak in talks.
You need to go to mingle, ask questions and learn and just really soak it all in because you can get so much more.
In fact, I'll say it. I'm going to get in trouble for saying this, but you don't even have to buy a ticket to the conference to get a lot of value out of going to Vegas that week.
So I'm not promoting the Bitcoin conference or anything like that.
I'm just saying, like, definitely get out of your bubble.
I know it's kind of hard to do sometimes, especially if you're not if you're not that type of person.
But get out of your bubble and make those connections.
And that's how you're going to succeed and grow in the space if that's something that you want to do.
There are people that have gone before you doing whatever it may be.
And the best way to navigate a minefield is following the footsteps of someone who already went through.
So, yeah.
Yeah, I co-signed that, too.
I went to my first conferences.
I just went solo.
and I'm an introvert so I don't
like just run around I'm a sober
introvert even better right so I'm not
like running around like
buying drinks and you know
meeting people but you
just you just go there and
you have
no plan you know you just
show up
you know generally
pick a couple
places that you want to be and then just
trust the process like you're going to run
into people and like
I just remember that even that first Noster karaoke night, I didn't know what anybody looked like in the real world.
That's another barrier, though, that I think is really funny.
I respect it 100%, but also it makes things a little difficult.
I like saying this.
Some of my best friends in the Bitcoin space, I don't know what they even look like.
but I talk to them all the time
and it's
great that we have this community where
we can respect that privacy and stuff
like that but
I mean there are ways to do like if
you're on Noster just post
hey is there any events
that I should go to or something like some we have some of the most welcoming people here if you I I I going to put them on blast If you message Derek Ross and say Hey I don know what to
expect in Vegas or something like that. Can you help me out? I guarantee you, he's going to give
you the white glove treatment on how to like get involved with everything. And Derek, if you're
listening, I'm sorry that I'm promoting you on that, but I just know who you are as a person.
and you are one of the greatest marketers
and one of the most easy people to talk to.
And it's very rare what Derek has,
and he's helped a ton of people get into Noster and Bitcoin.
And, you know, even the legend of...
I love thinking about him explaining to his wife
while he's talking to all these OnlyFans girls,
telling them what Noster is and stuff.
Oh, man, that was such a great period right there.
That is a classic story.
All right, well, next song we've got
High Through the Lows by Ollie.
Tell me about this one.
This is another one that I just randomly stumbled upon on Wavelake.
and um i uh it's one of those like it's it feels like a like a cozy it's it's cold and rainy here
today in mississippi and this is the perfect song for that i feel like it's not like a sad song
really but like it's it's a good vibey vibe song like you you kind of want to like put it on a
blanket and listen to it play some play your Nintendo Switch or something so imagine you're
doing that while you listen to this all right here we go High Through the Lows by Ollie
nothing comes cheap especially when it free a lot of people talk but they really ain't speak
I was blind to it all, last night see
Careful who you trust, who you give your energy
Made some paper when it goes, but only one of those
Only thing I'm trying is to feed the family
That shit all that I know, yeah
I got high through the lows
Nothing come cheap, especially when it's free
Lot of people talk, but they really ain't speak
I was blind to it all, last night see
Careful who you trust, who you give your energy
Make some paper when it goes, but don't even wanna doze
Only thing I'm trying is to feed the family
The shit off that I know, yeah
I got high through the lows
Put my head down, really did the work
Never took a dollar, not a penny for a verse
Shredding on my sick strength, tell my fingers hurt
Life can be a bitch, but our trust could be worse
Put the team all on my shoulders, I'm a soldier
Feel like this shit my collar duty, don't need no controller
It ain't hard to spot the bullshit, it's got an order
Couple pennies for my thoughts, I ain't need to pop
Blowing on my phone, trying to speak, but don't really talk
Lot of people out here for themselves, it's a big facade
I think that it's wise to forgive, but I ain't forgot
Cause nothing comes cheap, especially when it's free
Lot of people talk, but they really ain't speak
I was blind to it all, last night's seat
Careful who you trust, who you give your energy
Make some paper when it goes, but only one of those
Only thing I'm trying is to feed the family
That shit all that I know, yeah
I got high through the lows
Nothing come cheap, especially when it's free
Lot of people talk, but they really ain't speak
I was blind to it all, last night see
Careful who you trust, who you give your energy
Make some paper when it goes, but only one of those
Only thing I'm trying is to feed the family
the shit off that i know yeah i got hot through the lows
okay maybe i lied it maybe is a little sadder than i remember the first time i listened to it
but still a great song.
That is a great song.
Good pick.
So, coming up to your final song here,
we gotta lead up into the banger.
It's the Quex and Tatum Turnip collab.
Well, kind of collab.
I did actually collab on one of his songs.
he asked me to
record
something
that I posted
I can't even remember exactly what it was
but it was basically like me just like
raging and he
sampled it and I was like oh that's cool
but this one this is actually how
I got
introduced to Quex
I had just hit
a thousand subs on
YouTube and
I mean, I didn't ask for this or anything, but within
like a couple of minutes of me posting
it on Noster, I feel like it was straight up
a couple of minutes or a couple hours something. It was very quick. I see that
this guy, Man Like Quicks, made a song
with the cover art was a screenshot of my YouTube channel
and I was like, what? And I listened to it and it was
insane it was i mean i'll let you i won't spoil anything but i mean quex is just so like this man
is this man is awesome um he is great he also oh wait hold on what was the
oh yeah i also forgot he made a song about uh another one kind of including me he so
crazy how it all worked out
I can't remember if I did it
or he did it but
we were the sender and the receiver
of the one millionth zap on
Noster
I can't remember if I sent it to him or he sent it
but he made a song about
that too
Quags is just like he's one of those guys
that he can make
a song about anything
really
and that goes
so does this and he gives some shout outs here in this song uh including our man derrick ross uh
dude this is this is one of my favorite songs and i it's a little shorter but like i i love it i also
put it after he released it i showed it to carl my producer and he was like this song bangs i was
like hey we're putting this in the credits of my next episode rather than uh the ghost face
killer song that i usually do i love it well here it is man like quakes and tatum turn up
live on sunday brunch yo it's my like quakes in tanzania let's go
my like yeah
yeah my like quakes turn up yo congrats bro let's get it yeah
Yo, mama, I made it
Between two ASICs, yo
Tatum got a thousand subs
So out here celebrating
And I'm Nostapleb, verified
Derrick Ross, certified
I orange-pilled my barber
Now he's getting zapped worldwide
From Nostarica all the way to Nostania
Nostasia is next
No good making custom gear
And it hasn't been a year
Join Feb 23
I'm a sass millionaire
From just rapping on beats
Dropping songs every week
Zapathon every week
It's midnight in Tanzania, man.
I should really be asleep.
But I'm back, bro.
I'm back, bro.
Come through.
Got your zaps, yo.
Post a zap meme and zap, zap, zap, zap, yo.
Just like that, yo.
Thursday, Friday, every week.
Bring a stack of sats and some zap-a-thon memes, yo.
I'm repping for my team.
Nostra Plebs, what up, yo?
I'm repping for the team.
We repping for the team.
Nostra Plebs, what up, man?
We repping for the team.
man i i just had a huge smile on my on my face the entire time listening to that
Because like it's it's less like it's not even as much celebration.
Congratulations to me as it's kind of a time capsule now of like Nostra culture, which like back then, that was when Zapathons were happening like every single week.
And if you posted any sort of meme, like you were just getting sats, it was a sats faucet.
And, and Corndelorian, my man is the best Nostrum memer of all time.
He even shouted out No Good.
And I'm super excited for No Good's book that he's releasing.
No Good's a great artist.
And he, he, he has some wallpaper packs that I, that I downloaded.
uh he has no good radio on on zap.stream um dude listening to that again it feels just so different
because it's like a time capsule like i said and uh the nostril culture has changed so much but it
also is still rooted where it it began and and i love that song and of course i just do love
hearing my name,
it's great.
Whenever I first heard
Mama, I made it
Between Two Asics,
I was like,
oh, hold on.
Yeah, coming back
to Between Two Asics,
have you ever looked
into Indie Hub?
Indie Hub?
That sounds familiar, maybe?
I just thought of that
as we were
in between songs there.
Since when you started the program, none of these tools were available.
There's a Noster-based platform called IndieHub.
That's what Avi uses for his Finding Home series for releasing videos and episodes of that.
That could be something worth looking into.
Get some zaps.
Get some value-for-value love on those.
Because I know people love those episodes, man.
Yeah, I don't know if I've actually explored that one yet. Like I said, I took a few breaks and the development while I was gone has been just amazing. And I'll be forever grateful for people who built on Noster.
and I feel guilty sometimes because I did take breaks and go back to Twitter
because that was where I got engagement and I was trying to monetize there
and it seemed easier and looking back it was easier to monetize on Noster
even if it was a few sats here and there
I didn't have to get a bunch of impressions
which I mean, I found myself making kind of AI slop articles to try to get garner impressions.
And I look at myself really, and it was like, that's not you.
Like you're being someone else for money, which is what you don't want to do.
Like that's the whole mission of all this.
And the people who never left, they're stronger than me.
And I have so much respect for the people who just like, like Will Kasser and
Oh, I also feel so bad when I think about Will because this is just so messed up of me.
I tried to start Between Two Nodes.
This was after I started Between Two Asics but the people that I interviewed on Between Two Asics I was there for comedy and mainly satirical questions stuff like that But a lot of them I still did look up to like I said like that why I wanted
to reach out to them because they did X, Y, or Z or whatever. And I looked up to them and learned
from them. And so I wanted to have a different show that was longer form, more raw conversations
between me, Carl, and a guest. And, uh, I only released, I think either two or three episodes
because it ended up just kind of being not really my shtick. Um, and also production was a little,
little difficult as well. Um, but I recorded one with Will Kassarin and it was not until
I was reviewing the footage after like an hour and a half, two hours of recording that I did
not record any of his audio um it wasn't even i was like i would have been okay if it was
my audio that was gone but it was his and so i really couldn't do anything um but i did record
a between two asics with him in vegas uh two years ago um and hopefully that will come out
at some point too and i feel so bad because vanessa asked me all the time about it and
I've lied to her saying it's coming out
it's coming out
unintentionally it never was like
just I need her to shut up
no like it was
yeah but Vanessa is also one of those
that like she's
she's great I love
Vanessa so much
100%
well I just looked it up it's
IndieHub
IndieHub.studio
check that out
awesome yeah I'll definitely play around with that today
Yeah, that's where Avi's dropping all of his episodes, and I've checked out a few other things on there and met Zach over there.
Really cool project.
Sweet.
There's so much projects happening.
Yeah.
This is the part of the show where we turn the microphone or the record player over to Avi, and he gets to play his song.
so neither one of us have listened to this song yet
so we're going to get to play it
and react to it at the same time
and he's going to expect some review comments from us
I'm sorry to disappoint ahead of time
but let's get it
so here it is
this is Who or Where You Are
by Steve Thorne
There is a similar establishment of the Illuminati in England,
operating under the name of the British Institute of International Affairs.
There are similar secret Illuminati organizations in France, Germany, and other nations,
operating under different names in all these organizations.
The CFR continues to be settled over a subsidiary for the United States.
We're the fall from the Bible
The angels in the dust
The creators of a world of greed and lust
There's a government
And virus
And objects
Of the blind
From the Oxford
Eats and clowns
And the crop you blind
In the
Got you spinning round a star
You don't know who or where you are
So the tyrants of the structure
Are the vampires to the mass
There are ruthless breed of loveless bureaucrats
Out beyond the thorough horizon
There's some axes we've acquired
And now's the time to cut the razor wire
Thank God she's spinning round the stars
You don't know who or where you are
Who the hell is anyone
To block the road to somewhere
As they throw you around the sun
They know you're going nowhere
Think of a shoe spinning round a star
You don't know who or where you are
The reason for this unawareness and frightening danger to our country, the entire free world, is simple.
The masterminds behind the great conspiracy have absolutely full of our master's education,
especially television, radio, press, and holiday.
Thank you.
The yield.
guitar solo
The ocean will rise
One hundredth of one percent
Over the next three hundred
Fucking years
Man, that felt like what I imagined, like dead concerts.
It was just a nice, jammy... I really liked that a lot.
Yeah, that instrumental was great.
It's funny, if you've been listening to all the shows,
the obvious song is usually the like the jolt it's like the heavy prog rock and so you just
you never know what you're gonna get that was uh that was right in the middle that was really
pleasant um really good song so that was uh steve thorn for anybody who wants to check him out
um so yeah tell me what what are you streaming these days tatum on a zap stream yeah so yeah
I, uh, so I used to be a Twitch affiliate, uh, damn, probably seven years ago.
Um, and Twitch sucks.
I just want to go ahead and put that out there.
Uh, it sucked from the beginning and it's somehow gotten worse.
It's one of those walled gardens that people talk about where like you really need a stroke
of luck and to get even a chance of being successful.
um and those strokes of luck that you need to do that are very rare and it also breeds a culture of
doing extreme things to try to get noticed uh which it's all that's a whole rabbit hole
i won't go down but the main issue with with it is that i mean on top of it being just a
walled garden where creators are not able to monetize what they're doing um once you're able
to monetize twitch takes a ridiculous portion uh and there's so many nuances and everything that go
around it around with it as well um so whenever i heard about zap.stream um i was super excited
because it kind of fixed all of the problems, really,
that you were seeing with Twitch.
And so all I say, if you are playing video games and want to stream,
definitely check out Zapstream.
So I primarily, I did a lot of Minecraft when I was back living in Denver.
and that was really fun i actually got some fun clips of me trying to uh make a cow farm and it
took me like 20 minutes and then it all fell apart like right when it started working um that was
oh man i'm still i still have ptsd from that thinking about it um but i've been back into
kaizo rom hacks uh are you familiar with those i'm not tell me you're about to go down
deep rabbit hole.
So this is also where
Graham Pooh Bear
comes back into the
equation that I
mentioned earlier.
He an inspiration of mine but Kaizo ROM hacks are basically people figured out how to
modify uh game mods are not no like that's a common thing that people do but what people don't
think about is like mods of older games like you see people playing like a uh i don't know like
Minecraft with super skyscrapers that pop out of nowhere, something like that, or GTA
with, but you can breathe fire, something like that.
But the way that Kaizo ROM hacks work is that they modified Super Mario World for the Super
Nintendo Entertainment System.
and I don't know the origins of Kaizo,
but it's basically super tight,
super difficult.
You use everything on screen.
There's no real standing still
and it's really fast.
There's a huge community around it too
and so people are,
there are thousands of fan-made games
and some of them are like,
some of them are just moved around different pieces
like the they might put a bunch of koopas in the first world or something like that but then there's
some that are just straight up completely different games it feels like but with the same mario mechanics
um and the the possibilities of it are all endless like uh i watched one yesterday a stream of
someone playing one where they they created the uh sprites from donkey kong country the barrels
that shoot you and so mario literally is jumping in these barrels and it's still just like it looks
and feels just like a super mario world but you can also make different gimmicks each level usually
has a gimmick like um one of them was uh a shell jump level where you have to do a bunch of shell
jumps and which is bouncing a shell off of a wall and and getting on higher ground or something um
there's all sorts of stuff and super customizable and so i've been streaming that it's it's really
it's difficult and there's a lot of deaths but that's expected uh but sometimes it's really fun
when you get it you get it so uh if if anyone wants to go down that rabbit hole feel free to
follow me on nostr and see whenever i i go live to to come chat with me and and see about it and
also look up uh grand poo bear is the guy i was mentioning he he's a red bull uh athlete actually
um he's the only mario streamer that signed with red bull uh but he's super super cool super
talented people have made rom hacks dedicated to him grand poo world uh grand poo world grand
world 2 and grand poo world 3 um by barbers king i i could go on for hours talking about the history
of this stuff but it the community was very um very welcoming and very helpful for me uh in a
dark time in my life back in uh around the pandemic um a little before i it was just like
that was when things were you know shutting down and and i was going through some personal stuff
And the fact that I was having to close off my social life too wasn't helping.
And, uh, and so I got intertwined in that community and realized that I'm a sicko because
I like really hard Mario levels.
Um, and so I, I was playing Mario maker and, and also if you want to learn about ROM hacks
too, like you can, as long as you have a keyboard or a computer and a keyboard, I guess, usually
Usually people get a USB SNES controller.
That's what I do.
But you can also do it with mouse and keyboard, but you can key bind.
But you can do all of this for free.
It's a little difficult.
I mean, if anyone wants, I can just hit me up and I can help you out.
But it's kind of hard to learn how to do it because there's some weird copyright stuff.
You can't promote it or something.
It's weird.
but apparently the game genie lawsuit in 92 allowed this to happen super weird but and it's
all completely legal but um yeah it's it's so much fun there's a a world that you don't even
know exist in the mario community um and i would love if anyone wants to come watch and
because I by no means am I a good Kaizo Mario player like if you go look up some of it and if
you want to look it up it's K-A-I-Z-O Mario if you look at those people that are playing it when you
that pop up when you look it up on YouTube like those guys are masters but there's plenty of like
intermediate smaller stuff uh that people have made the to kind of train people on it and so
i'm doing that kind of trying to just build my skill set and uh it it's a real it's it's like a
nice little satisfaction uh dopamine hit after you die uh 150 times but you know it's super fun
so how how often are you on zap stream with that i i'm a little sporadic right now um i'm doing a
little bit of traveling back and forth uh to my hometown but um i'll typically do it like
at the very least on friday nights i will i'll be streaming um around like five o'clock central
uh but i'll always post it on nostr as well whenever i whenever i go live so uh i i probably
should try to get a stream schedule because that would make things a lot easier but sometimes you
know just you don't you don't want to do it yeah yeah no it helps but it is uh it's binding yeah
like i know like my deadlines for between two asics that never came true yeah yeah i mean i
know like sunday brunch i know when it is so i you know wake up on sunday and then realize all right
it's 11 let's go and then like pcr on friday afternoons you just kind of know your shows and
when they come on you can always catch the recorded one but it's it's not as fun yeah yeah
and the live is really fun too because like a lot of the um the big players when they stream
they they're really strict about no spoilers um but they also have a ton of viewers so like it's
really fun for them to kind of like uh not necessarily give hints but kind of oh you you're
not ready for this next section or something that they have seen it before but like with me where i
don't have many viewers it's fun for people to help me out because sometimes like the way that
kaizo mario hacks are set up is that there is a singular way to do something 99 of the time
um and sometimes it's kind of hard to see that like it's if you're an experienced player it's
kind of easy to read i'd say 75 of the time but that 25 of the time i might need to look at chat
and say hey y'all know what i need to do here um and it's its own journey it's it's super fun because
no one would like you don't tune into someone playing an old school platformer mario game and
expect to sit there for a couple of hours like that's just a game that people grew up on but
Like this one, Kaizo hacks are ones like I can, I still haven't beat a single full Kaizo Mario hack that I've downloaded.
So it's a grind fest.
It's really fun.
And then they get like, some are made to be torture where like only the top 0.01% can do it.
Like there's one called Thumb Shredder.
and I have not even attempted to do that because as you can imagine by the name it's built to make
your thumbs die um because there's so many backwards inputs and all this stuff but uh
yeah I I it's it's something that like it's a weird kind of passion that I that I have but I
want other people to look into it not necessarily play it but see if see if you like watching it
Because it's really fun to see creators make their own versions of Super Mario World.
Or maybe they make it something else.
I watched one where this guy made Super Cindy World for his wife.
And it was a whole hack dedicated to his wife with custom sprites and stuff of her and all this.
And it's a weird calming thing sometimes, too.
But also, it can be stressful.
i'll have to check that out this is a whole new world for me it's it's so much fun and i i never
thought that i would like ask people to get into it but like i need more people to talk about it too
because it's it's there's a world it's not even like super mario world came out in i think 92
i want to say there are still the hacks that were coming out in like the 2018-ish era they were kind
of basic and then you come back a couple years later and people have learned a little more on
the hacky side of things to make it a little more customized and then now people are still pushing
out hacks and like I said they're almost completely different games with Mario mechanics and it's uh
it's it's really fun and it also just kind of brings me back to childhood too it's like it's
like Mario grew with me because when I was a kid playing Mario like that was difficult at times
now as an adult
I'm still playing those levels and it's
you know easier it's way easier
but with Kaizo it kind of
it's like hey this game that you
loved when you were younger
it's now even more
difficult and you can kind of pick and choose
what difficulty you want to do it with
yeah
very cool
so check me out on zap.stream
love it yeah make sure you
send the message far and wide
when you go live absolutely
well Tatum
anything else that you want to
touch on on the
the first guest host
Sunday brunch
I think we covered most of it but I'll leave some
parting words
sacrifice convenience
until then you're not free
and
just
make the world a better place
whether you get reward from it or not
do something to make someone else smile
and pay it forward.
So that's my parting words.
I love that.
And make sure you check out Tatum performing on April 28th,
the Tuesday of the Bitcoin conference in Vegas.
We all scream on Fremont Street.
There'll be some posts going around.
So book yourself for that night.
And we're going to keep him accountable to this
between two ASICs release schedule.
so we're going to keep trolling them
until we get more episodes
one day
alright man well this has been so much fun
thanks for joining me
thanks for coming on to
Pleb Chain Radio Network
and
look forward to seeing you in the near future
here brother
absolutely
alright have a great day everyone
and until next week
we have
Aaron of Essex
and Longy will be guest host, guest host and guest theme this show next week. So make sure
to tune in for that. Thank you, everybody. Cheers, everyone. Bye.
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