1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,980 The noise of the week is behind us. 2 00:00:16,740 --> 00:00:18,260 The feed is off. 3 00:00:19,060 --> 00:00:20,840 The record is spinning. 4 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:36,360 It's time to stop interviewing and start listening. 5 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,720 Welcome to Sunday Brunch. 6 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:57,580 Good morning, good afternoon and good evening, you indubitably inspiring instigators of intergalactic insurrections. 7 00:00:57,580 --> 00:01:04,580 Welcome to the 10th serving, or sorry, the 11th serving of Sunday Brunch. 8 00:01:05,100 --> 00:01:07,980 And today is, you guessed it, Sunday. 9 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:16,360 It is the 22nd of March and very much brunch time on the east coast of the United States. 10 00:01:16,960 --> 00:01:18,160 Which can only mean one thing. 11 00:01:18,900 --> 00:01:22,240 Your favorite music on the lightning-laced airwaves. 12 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:24,540 Now, settle in. 13 00:01:24,540 --> 00:01:27,340 This is not your regular podcast. 14 00:01:28,380 --> 00:01:29,720 I don't have any questions prepared. 15 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:31,340 I don't have a sermon. 16 00:01:32,100 --> 00:01:39,680 And I won't be asking our guest about central bank digital currencies being used to track your grocery list. 17 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:44,240 There's just a table, some coffee, and a record player. 18 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,220 The guest is the DJ here. 19 00:01:47,220 --> 00:01:52,120 and because there is no corporate sponsor in the booth 20 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,880 you are the ones keeping the coffee pot full 21 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,980 this is a valley for value production 22 00:01:58,980 --> 00:02:00,820 I don't run ads 23 00:02:00,820 --> 00:02:03,500 this show runs on Vibe 24 00:02:03,500 --> 00:02:05,880 if you enjoyed the selection today 25 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,540 you can throw some sats in the digital tip jar 26 00:02:09,540 --> 00:02:10,940 by boosting on Fountain 27 00:02:10,940 --> 00:02:13,200 or your favorite podcasting 2.0 app 28 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,120 or zapping on Noster 29 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,140 Here's the house rule 30 00:02:18,140 --> 00:02:22,500 When the needle drops, the sets follow 31 00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:29,820 90% of everything you stream or boost during a song goes directly to the artist 32 00:02:29,820 --> 00:02:32,300 You are tipping the band 33 00:02:32,300 --> 00:02:36,220 When the music fades and we're just chatting 34 00:02:36,220 --> 00:02:38,920 You're buying a round for the guest and me 35 00:02:38,920 --> 00:02:44,320 And my guest today is someone who cares deeply about the arts 36 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,360 and more importantly, does something about it. 37 00:02:48,100 --> 00:02:49,400 Buttercup Roberts is here, 38 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,840 and she's brought her own playlist with her. 39 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:53,680 We're going to spin some tracks, 40 00:02:54,140 --> 00:02:56,560 we're going to talk about whatever topics emerge 41 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,420 in the silences between the music, 42 00:02:58,940 --> 00:03:01,460 and give everyone listening a chance 43 00:03:01,460 --> 00:03:05,000 to enter this decompression chamber after a long week. 44 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:09,620 So, let that butter melt into the waffle. 45 00:03:10,340 --> 00:03:10,940 Take your time. 46 00:03:10,940 --> 00:03:14,360 Buttercup, welcome to Sunday Brunch. 47 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,720 Thank you very much, Javi. It's very nice to be here with you. 48 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:28,760 Absolutely, Buttercup. I think this might be the first time, well, we've been on a call or two in the past, 49 00:03:28,820 --> 00:03:33,340 which we can get into when we talk about Biccon for the Arts. 50 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,580 But I think this is certainly the first time you're on my podcast, 51 00:03:37,580 --> 00:03:43,500 and you've been a fairly active participant and user of Noster 52 00:03:43,500 --> 00:03:48,680 and the general art scene, the Bitcoin art scene, 53 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,700 the Valley for Valley scene for a while now. 54 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:52,620 Isn't that right? 55 00:03:54,060 --> 00:03:58,880 Yeah, I mean, I first heard about Noster like three years ago 56 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:03,460 when on Twitter Jack made the march off Twitter, 57 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,020 hashtag go public. 58 00:04:07,580 --> 00:04:13,100 And ever since, it's been a very interesting discovery and it really clicked a lot for me. 59 00:04:13,660 --> 00:04:22,480 Like on one side, the discovery of what owning your own identity could mean. 60 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,480 and on the other side 61 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,860 I think that many Bitcoiners have found in Noster 62 00:04:28,860 --> 00:04:32,080 an easy proof of concept 63 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,900 of what Bitcoin on rails 64 00:04:35,900 --> 00:04:39,040 in social media 65 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:40,080 if you want to call it that 66 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,200 even though it's much more than that could do 67 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:46,860 so yeah it's been an interesting years of exploration 68 00:04:46,860 --> 00:04:49,980 especially since the space has grown 69 00:04:49,980 --> 00:04:54,580 so much and so much other stuff has grown from it as well. 70 00:04:56,220 --> 00:04:57,720 Yeah, certainly. 71 00:04:58,260 --> 00:05:00,740 And you have a background in the arts, isn't that right? 72 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:07,960 Yeah, I like the art scene in many fields. 73 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,580 I come from a film background. 74 00:05:11,220 --> 00:05:14,240 I've also done some VR pieces. 75 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:20,820 I just like writing as well. 76 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:29,620 Now I'm writing a story that I'm hoping that I can finish at some point this year. 77 00:05:30,020 --> 00:05:33,620 I'm very envious of you and your prolific writing. 78 00:05:34,340 --> 00:05:37,060 By the way, I finished the sequel to 24. 79 00:05:37,340 --> 00:05:39,180 I finished July 2018. 80 00:05:40,300 --> 00:05:42,040 What did you think of it, by the way? 81 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,200 This is not about my book, but I'm just curious. 82 00:05:44,980 --> 00:05:46,360 I really enjoyed it. 83 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:47,460 I really enjoyed it. 84 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,080 And as I did with the first one, I'm going to be writing the review soon. 85 00:05:51,460 --> 00:05:52,880 So you will definitely know it. 86 00:05:52,940 --> 00:06:06,500 But I really love the way that you weave in storytelling concepts that are very dear to the Bitcoin community, the ethos around it. 87 00:06:06,500 --> 00:06:19,680 And I think it's a pulsating story that leads you through a key concept that maybe, for lack of another word, normie literature doesn't really take you through. 88 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,460 So I really enjoyed it. 89 00:06:22,620 --> 00:06:23,760 Congratulations on the work. 90 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:25,360 No, no. 91 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:26,040 Thank you. 92 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,380 And thank you for reading and being a supporter of my work. 93 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:30,780 By the way, just a quick aside. 94 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,040 Again, I really don't want to make this about my writing. 95 00:06:33,700 --> 00:06:34,840 But it is about the arts. 96 00:06:34,840 --> 00:06:36,080 So it makes sense. 97 00:06:36,500 --> 00:06:37,680 That we talk about it. 98 00:06:38,820 --> 00:06:39,940 I'm actually writing. 99 00:06:40,580 --> 00:06:44,900 I know for anyone who's read July 18th, obviously it does not end. 100 00:06:45,020 --> 00:06:45,960 The story does not end. 101 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:47,200 So there needs to be book three. 102 00:06:48,980 --> 00:06:56,580 But I'm actually close to completing a book, another book under a pseudonym, which has nothing to do with Bitcoin. 103 00:06:56,580 --> 00:06:59,340 because one of the things I noticed is, 104 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,800 I mean, anyone who's read these two books, 105 00:07:03,340 --> 00:07:05,400 they tend to be Bitcoiners. 106 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,880 I would say they're 95 to 99% Bitcoiners, right? 107 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:10,240 And they get it. 108 00:07:10,660 --> 00:07:14,380 But it's really hard for a book like 24 July 18 109 00:07:14,380 --> 00:07:16,040 to break into the mainstream 110 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,260 because it's so esoterically Bitcoin related. 111 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,960 And I really liked my archetypes 112 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,460 and some of the narrative arcs. 113 00:07:25,460 --> 00:07:30,160 And I want more people in the world to read it and not be put off by the B word. 114 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:37,760 So I've decided to, something you know a thing or two about, buttercup under a pseudonym. 115 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:40,280 Right. 116 00:07:40,420 --> 00:07:42,420 And so I'm throwing down the gauntlet. 117 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:43,020 It'll be out. 118 00:07:43,100 --> 00:07:45,120 I suspect it'll do really well, actually. 119 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:46,360 I don't even suspect. 120 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:47,240 I'm almost certain. 121 00:07:47,540 --> 00:07:52,940 I've written it basically for Netflix or Amazon streaming, right? 122 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:53,520 One of those. 123 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,560 it's that type of story. 124 00:07:56,220 --> 00:07:58,460 So throwing down the challenge to folks 125 00:07:58,460 --> 00:08:00,180 to see if you can figure out who, 126 00:08:00,820 --> 00:08:03,160 what my identity is, my pseudonym is, 127 00:08:04,220 --> 00:08:05,180 it'll be interesting. 128 00:08:05,500 --> 00:08:07,500 But anyway, that aside, 129 00:08:08,260 --> 00:08:10,800 so let's talk about your film background. 130 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,120 Did you go to film school? 131 00:08:14,140 --> 00:08:16,420 Yeah, I went to film school. 132 00:08:16,420 --> 00:08:18,240 I, since I was little, 133 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:22,200 I was very enamored by what film 134 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:30,540 had been able to do in me the way that watching films had opened up worlds and had impacted me 135 00:08:30,540 --> 00:08:35,640 so much. So I knew that I wanted to study something that could have an impact 136 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:45,100 in people in the same way that films had had an impact in me. And as I learned filmmaking, 137 00:08:45,420 --> 00:08:52,040 I was for many years in the film industry doing films and being part of the creative process, 138 00:08:52,040 --> 00:09:01,380 as well but i did grow a little bit uh disenchanted with what i saw the industry to be versus what you 139 00:09:01,380 --> 00:09:09,900 feel movies when you're watching them so and i also feel that everything has has changed so much 140 00:09:09,900 --> 00:09:17,020 in the way that people watch movies and i'm gonna word use the word consume content now more than 141 00:09:17,020 --> 00:09:25,260 let themselves like be captivated and drawn by a story during one hour and a half two hours 142 00:09:25,260 --> 00:09:33,200 so then I after having spent a lot of years in the film industry I wanting to broaden my horizons 143 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:42,500 and seeing what other artistic fields could do in terms of that impact um filmmaking is always 144 00:09:42,500 --> 00:09:47,760 something that is very close to me and I still have projects that have to do with the film 145 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:55,280 industry right now I'm developing two projects in my fiat life to call it a way that that that 146 00:09:55,280 --> 00:10:03,440 will probably land in the in in that world but but I did notice at some point that 147 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:09,580 that I wanted more than just to stay inside that field 148 00:10:09,580 --> 00:10:21,100 yeah do you know zach mahoney from indie hub uh i mean i don't know him but i heard an interview 149 00:10:21,100 --> 00:10:28,600 that you did uh with him and i i empathize a lot with the with with what he was talking about 150 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:36,900 actually uh i did a a series on on the the bridge on the bridge um end pub that i have where i used 151 00:10:36,900 --> 00:10:43,020 a couple of character and cartoon characters who comments on this stuff or thoughts. 152 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:50,340 I did a series that had to do with the initiatification of the movie industry that was inspired by 153 00:10:50,340 --> 00:10:51,680 the talk that you had with them. 154 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:53,600 Oh, wow. 155 00:10:54,220 --> 00:10:55,420 I did not know that. 156 00:10:55,420 --> 00:10:57,260 I want to talk about The Bridge. 157 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:04,940 And so we'll circle back to this because I think where you started going with your background 158 00:11:04,940 --> 00:11:11,360 and firm it just reminded me of what zach was saying um and i've and and also not just on the 159 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:16,240 podcast but on in private conversations i've had with him but before we do that buttercup 160 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:25,260 uh you've got a playlist you've picked out five songs and i want to play the first one on it and 161 00:11:25,260 --> 00:11:31,760 It is Moments by a band called Citron Grau. 162 00:11:32,260 --> 00:11:37,560 So tell me a little bit about this band and the song that you picked. 163 00:11:38,420 --> 00:11:38,780 Okay. 164 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:45,800 Out of my entire playlist, this one, Moments by Citron Grau, 165 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:50,980 was the first band that I heard on Wavelake 166 00:11:50,980 --> 00:11:54,200 when I discovered Wavelake a few months back. 167 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:59,160 and I started browsing and checking some things. 168 00:11:59,300 --> 00:12:01,620 Citroen Grau was someone who had been in my feed 169 00:12:01,620 --> 00:12:04,460 and I had spoken with them on Noster at some point 170 00:12:04,460 --> 00:12:07,800 and I saw that they had music 171 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:12,900 and it's music that really just gave me some vibes 172 00:12:12,900 --> 00:12:14,840 that I really enjoyed 173 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,880 and I found myself playing it and playing it 174 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,280 and I think that it was the first time 175 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,360 that I actually felt that click of 176 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:30,560 I'm going to zap this person because I'm just enjoying this song so much that I just want to zap them because it's giving me value. 177 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:32,420 I'm putting it all the time. 178 00:12:32,420 --> 00:12:39,000 So I guess that it's the first one that really created that spark in me. 179 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:51,560 All of the playlists that I've selected for today has been more of many of the other ones were just trying to find and perusing Wavelake, trying to hear what different things were. 180 00:12:51,560 --> 00:13:12,920 But I guess that moments by Sih Tung Rao, the first one, was the one that months ago really made me understand the quick value for value element with music and how powerful it could be to really thank the person who has made you feel something with a song with an instant zap. 181 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:21,400 it sounds so simple and yet it's it's actually profound in a sense that to have that direct 182 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:31,180 connection especially in light of um fiat music or the fiat music industry that really we we have 183 00:13:31,180 --> 00:13:35,360 to deal with right and and if you're not a biker and if you're not part of this world that that's 184 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:42,300 all you know which is there is no way you will ever be in any form of contact with the musician 185 00:13:42,300 --> 00:13:45,060 who's inspired you with their art 186 00:13:45,060 --> 00:13:46,960 because there are layers and layers and layers 187 00:13:46,960 --> 00:14:01,916 of wrench seekers in between you and them So it is quite a profound moment when this clicks saying hey I can directly express my gratitude by zapping them value 188 00:14:01,916 --> 00:14:02,936 and they will see it. 189 00:14:03,036 --> 00:14:04,716 I can put a message on it. 190 00:14:04,876 --> 00:14:07,116 And oftentimes they actually reply to it 191 00:14:07,116 --> 00:14:09,296 if there's a nice message as well. 192 00:14:09,416 --> 00:14:10,516 So yeah, really cool. 193 00:14:12,676 --> 00:14:16,616 This is Moments by Citron Grau. 194 00:14:18,316 --> 00:14:48,296 Thank you. 195 00:14:48,316 --> 00:15:18,296 Thank you. 196 00:15:18,316 --> 00:15:48,296 Thank you. 197 00:15:48,316 --> 00:16:18,296 Thank you. 198 00:16:18,316 --> 00:16:48,296 Thank you. 199 00:16:48,316 --> 00:17:10,236 That was Moments by Citron Grau. 200 00:17:10,236 --> 00:17:14,676 And Buttercup, that was a beautiful atmospheric piece, 201 00:17:14,676 --> 00:17:24,596 um a nice melancholic arpeggiated i'm going to say keyboard uh evokes the piano uh 202 00:17:25,876 --> 00:17:34,956 yeah in a sense but uh yeah that was nice very smooth song yeah kind of instrumental that you 203 00:17:34,956 --> 00:17:41,416 could imagine being the soundtrack for something soundtrack of your life soundtrack since i think 204 00:17:41,416 --> 00:17:48,896 still think in film you know i can easily envision stuff happening to that music oh yeah yeah 205 00:17:48,896 --> 00:17:57,836 definitely a film soundtrack maybe in one of those um who uh not gaspard noe who was the guy who 206 00:17:57,836 --> 00:18:08,676 who made emily uh of the the french director um it's not gaspard noe i will i'll look it up when 207 00:18:08,676 --> 00:18:14,936 the next song is playing it'll come back to me yes i can't remember his name i have a blackout 208 00:18:14,936 --> 00:18:20,136 right now but no definitely not gaspard very different kind of movies very different yes 209 00:18:20,136 --> 00:18:27,316 amelie and irreversible are probably polar opposite uh movies in in many ways 210 00:18:27,316 --> 00:18:35,316 although gaspard has has a movie that's called climax that has an incredible soundtrack 211 00:18:35,316 --> 00:18:44,556 okay all right i don't think i've seen that i did see another one that he made which speaking 212 00:18:44,556 --> 00:18:52,696 of polar opposite of irreversible uh is it's that it's like a slow pastoral type movie and it even 213 00:18:52,696 --> 00:19:00,176 might have again the audrey tattoo that's the name of the actress in in amelie i think it has 214 00:19:00,176 --> 00:19:06,776 audrey tattoo in it um that sort of slow pastoral kind of movie if you see irreversible and you see 215 00:19:06,776 --> 00:19:14,836 that in like what this cannot be the same director yeah no very different kind of french filmmaking 216 00:19:14,836 --> 00:19:25,616 let's see amelie i'm trying to remember but he also made um he's made a few movies the director 217 00:19:25,616 --> 00:19:29,256 of Amelie. Jean-Pierre Jeunet. Jean-Pierre Jeunet. That's it. 218 00:19:29,436 --> 00:19:33,496 Jean-Pierre Jeunet. Yes. So I can imagine this in a 219 00:19:33,496 --> 00:19:34,836 Jean-Pierre Jeunet movie. 220 00:19:37,476 --> 00:19:40,196 It's a soundtrack to, you know, one of those slightly 221 00:19:40,196 --> 00:19:45,236 not one of the action sequences, but maybe when the protagonist 222 00:19:45,236 --> 00:19:49,296 is sort of trying to find out or is about to find a crucial 223 00:19:49,296 --> 00:19:53,336 piece of information and they're sort of tiptoeing down an alleyway 224 00:19:53,336 --> 00:19:54,896 and going down some stairs. 225 00:19:55,576 --> 00:19:56,016 Anyway. 226 00:19:57,216 --> 00:19:59,696 I can, without making any spoilers, 227 00:19:59,916 --> 00:20:05,136 I can imagine this being a soundtrack to the last month, 228 00:20:05,356 --> 00:20:09,936 the month that gives a title to your second book, 229 00:20:10,756 --> 00:20:14,256 when characters are going to a place, a very special place. 230 00:20:14,876 --> 00:20:15,536 This could be sound. 231 00:20:17,356 --> 00:20:19,616 Yeah, very possibly, very possibly. 232 00:20:19,616 --> 00:20:22,716 Because that's instrumental music, right? 233 00:20:22,716 --> 00:20:25,576 You can really just place it in so many places. 234 00:20:27,556 --> 00:20:28,116 Yeah. 235 00:20:29,316 --> 00:20:38,076 So, Batacab, let's talk about the bridge which you brought up, which is a second Nostra account that you run. 236 00:20:38,276 --> 00:20:40,256 And I keep seeing it on the feed. 237 00:20:40,356 --> 00:20:50,296 And I know you're focused quite a bit on things like privacy and data controls and that sort of you're educating the public on that. 238 00:20:50,296 --> 00:20:57,536 what was the your thinking behind creating the bridge because you are as you said a film person 239 00:20:57,536 --> 00:21:03,736 and here you are talking about data rights talking about you know stuff actually i said we're not 240 00:21:03,736 --> 00:21:09,476 going to talk about central bank digital currencies but you do talk about stuff like that on that 241 00:21:09,476 --> 00:21:15,576 account yes that's true i mean the bridge is something that is not a project that is only my 242 00:21:15,576 --> 00:21:22,696 own. I do it with someone else that created an MPub called Security Breach, but they are not 243 00:21:22,696 --> 00:21:30,896 very active on Nostrid. They just lurk from time to time. But it's a project that came from, 244 00:21:30,896 --> 00:21:43,456 I guess, when you start going down the many rabbit holes that privacy, Bitcoin, and all that opens, 245 00:21:43,456 --> 00:21:55,476 you start putting together a worldview that suddenly you have plenty of concepts of things 246 00:21:55,476 --> 00:22:00,796 that you want to try to see if you can actually explain them to your friends, 247 00:22:01,176 --> 00:22:07,896 you know, to just regular people who don't spend any time thinking about this. 248 00:22:07,896 --> 00:22:13,316 And maybe sometimes when you try to bring up some of these concepts, 249 00:22:13,456 --> 00:22:23,836 Like if you have to talk to someone about Bitcoin and you need seven hours to make them go through what you spent years going down, it's probably not a very good approach. 250 00:22:24,076 --> 00:22:42,336 So in that spirit, we wanted to create an account where different topics and things that had risen that either had to do with, sometimes it had to do with Bitcoin and sometimes it just had to do with, I don't know, for example, in Europe right now, we have chat control. 251 00:22:42,336 --> 00:23:03,416 In the U.S., there is the Kids Online Safety Act and understanding all these initiatives worldwide of how ID verification was affecting how people and users worldwide are going to be able to access and experience the web. 252 00:23:03,416 --> 00:23:09,316 and when you start figuring out what all this means you want to know if you really understand 253 00:23:09,316 --> 00:23:13,856 it and they always say that if you really understand something you have to be able to 254 00:23:13,856 --> 00:23:23,196 explain it to a five-year-old and really um bring the concepts down to stuff that is digestible and 255 00:23:23,196 --> 00:23:30,976 clear and so the bridge came out of that of wanting to with these kinds of sometimes it's 256 00:23:30,976 --> 00:23:38,976 just a poster sometimes it's a comic vignette um at some point um i did do an article as well 257 00:23:38,976 --> 00:23:46,356 that had to do with the noster that the the original one was in in spanish because i wanted 258 00:23:46,356 --> 00:23:52,836 to have an article to draw to my friends too of um they quiero mudate conmigo a noster which is 259 00:23:52,836 --> 00:24:01,156 I love you, move in with me to Noster, you know, of not wanting to just leave behind people. 260 00:24:01,356 --> 00:24:09,336 No, I see so, so much people in this space like, oh, well, if they don't understand, then then I don't have time to educate you. 261 00:24:09,336 --> 00:24:22,016 And I am an educator. I teach. I come from the film storytellers, I think, that have a natural tendency of trying to grab stuff that are important to them 262 00:24:22,016 --> 00:24:24,516 and make it digestible and emotional for people. 263 00:24:24,996 --> 00:24:32,596 So I guess that the bridge was trying to have a space on one side 264 00:24:32,596 --> 00:24:37,276 to not crowd my end pub with stuff that had to do only with that. 265 00:24:37,396 --> 00:24:39,496 So it was like, okay, I'm going to create an end pub 266 00:24:39,496 --> 00:24:41,216 that is going to be for the bridge. 267 00:24:41,216 --> 00:24:43,956 And every time that there is a topic that I find important 268 00:24:43,956 --> 00:24:46,116 or something that I want to make a reflection about 269 00:24:46,116 --> 00:24:50,376 or that we talk about with this colleague that we do stuff with, 270 00:24:50,376 --> 00:24:53,576 then it will be that vehicle. 271 00:24:54,116 --> 00:24:56,436 And so that's how The Bridge was born. 272 00:24:56,956 --> 00:24:59,336 I think it was born in July of last year 273 00:24:59,336 --> 00:25:04,716 and been trying to figure out its identity. 274 00:25:05,136 --> 00:25:08,616 We always knew that we wanted it to be with these two characters, 275 00:25:08,616 --> 00:25:14,716 this cat bat, a bat cat, or however you want to call it. 276 00:25:15,116 --> 00:25:19,616 But it's an animated character that is a half cat, half bat. 277 00:25:20,376 --> 00:25:26,776 black and another one which is like a turtle dragon and they are both facing the world where 278 00:25:26,776 --> 00:25:33,396 some ostriches wants to want to keep their their head in the ground and not see the world for what 279 00:25:33,396 --> 00:25:40,636 it is and some other ostriches are open to to seeing new things no so it's kind of like a vehicle 280 00:25:40,636 --> 00:25:51,236 for that. I wonder if, you know, largely going the animated route, given your background in film, 281 00:25:51,476 --> 00:25:59,796 right? I mean, you presumably have more insight in how to think about frames, how to think about 282 00:25:59,796 --> 00:26:06,636 scenes and all of that stuff, right? And I don't think you're, you're not, you don't have an 283 00:26:06,636 --> 00:26:07,816 animation background, do you? 284 00:26:08,656 --> 00:26:10,096 I don't. No. 285 00:26:10,276 --> 00:26:12,776 I don't, but I do love animation. 286 00:26:13,476 --> 00:26:14,796 And there is 287 00:26:14,796 --> 00:26:16,216 a project that 288 00:26:16,216 --> 00:26:18,496 I mean, here for example 289 00:26:18,496 --> 00:26:20,636 for the bridge, it's not something that 290 00:26:20,636 --> 00:26:22,556 we feel is so far off of this 291 00:26:22,556 --> 00:26:24,816 ending up being something 292 00:26:24,816 --> 00:26:26,856 that ends up being 293 00:26:26,856 --> 00:26:28,436 animation in some style. 294 00:26:29,416 --> 00:26:30,776 Well, and I 295 00:26:30,776 --> 00:26:32,676 think where I was going with this is 296 00:26:32,676 --> 00:26:34,796 that AI tools are getting so good 297 00:26:34,796 --> 00:26:40,636 this that you all you have to do is put the frames static frames together and it'll be able to stitch 298 00:26:40,636 --> 00:26:47,136 stuff interpolate uh movements and and fairly natural movements between frames the static frames 299 00:26:47,136 --> 00:26:56,956 uh and i i think this is a hypothesis a strong one i dare say that if you go down the two to three 300 00:26:56,956 --> 00:27:05,536 minute animated vignette route where it's sort of packed information right you you know the story 301 00:27:05,536 --> 00:27:09,896 you want to tell uh or you know you you know the message you want to give whether it's about chat 302 00:27:09,896 --> 00:27:15,716 control whether it's about you know whatever it is data rights privacy uh and then you just figure 303 00:27:15,716 --> 00:27:19,776 out the story because it's two three minutes it's not that much work to come up with a story and you 304 00:27:19,776 --> 00:27:25,756 have your two characters and as you know as you you've what the account's been around for a few 305 00:27:25,756 --> 00:27:26,896 You said July of last year. 306 00:27:27,036 --> 00:27:29,576 So by now they have their own personas, right? 307 00:27:29,576 --> 00:27:33,836 So they have their own voices. 308 00:27:35,516 --> 00:27:39,716 I think, you know, where Nostra is with that, 309 00:27:39,916 --> 00:27:53,652 with the two three minute animated vignette with a powerful message obviously you need subtitles because a lot of people watch these things on mute But maybe for those who don you can have music like this 310 00:27:54,152 --> 00:27:57,732 like the Citron Grout, what we listen to. 311 00:27:57,872 --> 00:28:00,452 You can maybe bake in some value-for-value splits 312 00:28:00,452 --> 00:28:01,892 for the musician. 313 00:28:02,972 --> 00:28:06,572 That's something that I feel very interesting of how, 314 00:28:06,572 --> 00:28:10,292 I mean, even the way that you have this whole show set up 315 00:28:10,292 --> 00:28:11,752 of the splits and everything. 316 00:28:12,612 --> 00:28:15,852 That's something that has really piqued my attention 317 00:28:15,852 --> 00:28:19,672 of seeing how we can really create a new distribution model 318 00:28:19,672 --> 00:28:24,292 with Noster that really empowers artists 319 00:28:24,292 --> 00:28:28,712 to share splits of the value that they create. 320 00:28:29,952 --> 00:28:30,172 Yeah. 321 00:28:30,772 --> 00:28:35,292 You know, I gave myself the goal at the beginning of this year 322 00:28:35,292 --> 00:28:38,832 where I sort of recast the show with Plep Chain Radio. 323 00:28:38,832 --> 00:28:43,712 he changed the background music, changed the format, had Sunday brunch, 324 00:28:43,792 --> 00:28:47,652 that this is the year I'm going to crack Valley for Value and prove. 325 00:28:50,072 --> 00:28:54,652 I'm laughing because at this point, it's still absurd. 326 00:28:55,132 --> 00:28:58,152 Prove that you can make a living of Valley for Value. 327 00:28:59,652 --> 00:29:06,632 So three months into the year, I'm going to be really generous to myself 328 00:29:06,632 --> 00:29:09,092 and say that I've been met with limited success. 329 00:29:12,312 --> 00:29:19,472 We're not yet at the point where these splits are windfalls of revenue for musicians. 330 00:29:20,772 --> 00:29:23,272 I mean, I think that we're not there yet. 331 00:29:24,812 --> 00:29:29,612 And I mean, let's be honest, how many do people make really at Spotify, right? 332 00:29:30,252 --> 00:29:31,632 In terms of musicians. 333 00:29:31,632 --> 00:29:40,552 So there are few who can really live out of the current model, just out of what they get of streams, right? 334 00:29:40,652 --> 00:29:57,872 But if the Rails work and the value proposition is successful, right now, I remember the other day, I think, I don't remember if it was UTXO or who was saying that there is only really 5,000 active users on Noster. 335 00:29:57,872 --> 00:30:12,692 I mean, if this is the results that we're getting from 5,000 people, if we really get this going, and you did talk about it before, we do know that the B word turns off a lot of people. 336 00:30:12,692 --> 00:30:18,332 the b word turns off a lot of people and we're a lot of people talking about the b word constantly 337 00:30:18,332 --> 00:30:26,852 on monster but i think that little by little if this really ends up growing that's where 338 00:30:26,852 --> 00:30:35,232 scale matters and right now scale for making a living matters um right now i feel that we're 339 00:30:35,232 --> 00:30:41,152 mostly just setting the rails and making sure i mean until a few months ago doing splits properly 340 00:30:41,152 --> 00:30:44,832 was still very much a hurdle. 341 00:30:45,152 --> 00:30:45,872 And I don't even know, 342 00:30:45,952 --> 00:30:51,292 I know that Fountain has made huge advances for music, 343 00:30:51,292 --> 00:30:57,192 but there is still a lot to be worked on on those rails 344 00:30:57,192 --> 00:31:01,492 to make it so that the experience that you're offering 345 00:31:01,492 --> 00:31:04,492 is just better than what's out there. 346 00:31:05,672 --> 00:31:05,812 Yeah. 347 00:31:06,112 --> 00:31:11,092 I do want to come back and talk about the active user 348 00:31:11,092 --> 00:31:14,152 on NOSTA, the B word, and how do we drive adoption? 349 00:31:14,392 --> 00:31:15,652 Because it's an important topic. 350 00:31:16,072 --> 00:31:19,652 By the way, I agree that it's in that 5,000-ish ballpark. 351 00:31:19,792 --> 00:31:22,852 My company, NOS Fabrica, we're working on Web of Trust 352 00:31:22,852 --> 00:31:25,272 and how to filter out a lot of the spam and bots. 353 00:31:25,352 --> 00:31:27,692 We're coming to that similar ballpark as well 354 00:31:27,692 --> 00:31:29,692 through our analysis of the network. 355 00:31:29,792 --> 00:31:31,112 So I don't want to come back to that. 356 00:31:31,732 --> 00:31:35,852 Why don't we play your second song on the playlist, 357 00:31:36,132 --> 00:31:38,432 which the folks on the live stream can see 358 00:31:38,432 --> 00:31:39,672 because I'm doing a screen share. 359 00:31:39,672 --> 00:31:42,132 but for the benefit of 360 00:31:42,132 --> 00:31:44,912 the audience listening to the podcast 361 00:31:44,912 --> 00:31:46,712 it's Hit and Run 362 00:31:46,712 --> 00:31:48,532 by Amber Sweeney 363 00:31:48,532 --> 00:31:50,792 now I have to confess Buttercup 364 00:31:50,792 --> 00:31:52,192 this is a name I've heard 365 00:31:52,192 --> 00:31:54,292 a few times on Nostra, Amber Sweeney 366 00:31:54,292 --> 00:31:57,052 I haven't really scratched the surface 367 00:31:57,052 --> 00:31:58,452 or listened to any of the music 368 00:31:58,452 --> 00:31:59,572 before 369 00:31:59,572 --> 00:32:03,132 can you tell us a little bit 370 00:32:03,132 --> 00:32:03,872 or tell me actually 371 00:32:03,872 --> 00:32:05,152 maybe the audience knows already 372 00:32:05,152 --> 00:32:07,892 but can you tell me a little bit about Amber Sweeney 373 00:32:07,892 --> 00:32:32,672 I have to confess I can't really tell you a lot about Amber Sweeney because she has been a discovery of searching for songs for the show for you. I really went on a deep dive on Wavelake and I just started listening at people randomly that when we come back from Amber's song we can go back to talking about this onboarding thing because it has to do with it. 374 00:32:32,672 --> 00:32:43,092 But I just heard her music and I, I, this song made me reminisce of a kind of music that, that I, that I used to listen to. 375 00:32:43,092 --> 00:32:48,152 And I thought it was fun and, and the title screamed for my attention. 376 00:32:48,952 --> 00:33:01,912 And, but I know that I looked her up and I saw that she was active on her, but it was like, I don't, I don't remember if it was months ago or a year ago or something like that. 377 00:33:01,912 --> 00:33:09,092 But I did see that they were active on Nostra until a certain point and that she had a dog. 378 00:33:10,112 --> 00:33:11,532 That's all that I can say. 379 00:33:11,912 --> 00:33:15,592 Just the music spoke to me, but I don't really know much about her. 380 00:33:15,772 --> 00:33:17,392 It's just the music that spoke. 381 00:33:18,512 --> 00:33:18,872 Excellent. 382 00:33:19,352 --> 00:33:23,112 Well, this is Hit and Run by Amber Sweeney. 383 00:33:31,912 --> 00:33:34,012 To be sold 384 00:33:34,012 --> 00:33:36,452 And what she's made of 385 00:33:36,452 --> 00:33:40,712 There was a blinding light 386 00:33:40,712 --> 00:33:44,292 Followed by the terror of the night 387 00:33:44,292 --> 00:33:46,552 Well, no one saw it 388 00:33:46,552 --> 00:33:49,372 But we all could hear the sound 389 00:33:49,372 --> 00:33:52,972 Of love breaking down 390 00:33:52,972 --> 00:34:11,212 It was a hit and run 391 00:34:11,212 --> 00:34:15,052 She couldn't take it as she came undone 392 00:34:15,052 --> 00:34:18,012 He took her money and her pride 393 00:34:18,012 --> 00:34:20,012 But the devil in her mind 394 00:34:20,012 --> 00:34:22,812 Said she wasn't worth the fight 395 00:34:22,812 --> 00:34:26,772 She packed a loaded gun 396 00:34:26,772 --> 00:34:30,432 And knew they'd find her when the morning comes 397 00:34:30,432 --> 00:34:33,752 But they would listen to her words 398 00:34:33,752 --> 00:34:39,552 She'd make sure they heard what he'd done 399 00:34:39,552 --> 00:34:42,152 I let him hold my heart 400 00:34:42,152 --> 00:34:44,112 Then he took me for granted 401 00:34:44,112 --> 00:34:49,832 He said he'd leave the grave 402 00:34:49,832 --> 00:34:51,652 Then he left us stranded 403 00:34:51,652 --> 00:34:55,872 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh 404 00:34:55,872 --> 00:34:59,512 He put me in chains and he took my name 405 00:34:59,512 --> 00:35:02,292 Said he'd never know me 406 00:35:02,292 --> 00:35:07,812 So I took back what was mine 407 00:35:07,812 --> 00:35:10,952 With a hit and run 408 00:35:10,952 --> 00:35:12,632 Hit and run 409 00:35:12,632 --> 00:35:14,812 With a hit and run 410 00:35:14,812 --> 00:35:16,592 Hit and run 411 00:35:16,592 --> 00:35:20,172 Hit and run 412 00:35:20,172 --> 00:35:33,612 It was a hit and run 413 00:35:33,612 --> 00:35:37,612 She couldn't take it and she came on down 414 00:35:37,612 --> 00:35:40,592 He took her money under pride 415 00:35:40,592 --> 00:35:42,572 With the devil in her mind 416 00:35:42,572 --> 00:35:45,292 Said she wasn't worth the fight 417 00:35:45,292 --> 00:35:49,292 And with the morning light 418 00:35:49,292 --> 00:35:52,832 She knew her age had been satisfied 419 00:35:52,832 --> 00:35:56,112 They surrounded her with guns 420 00:35:56,112 --> 00:35:57,812 But she wouldn't run 421 00:35:57,812 --> 00:36:01,612 Cause she knew what she'd done 422 00:36:01,612 --> 00:36:04,692 I let him hold my heart 423 00:36:04,692 --> 00:36:06,592 Then I took him for granted 424 00:36:06,592 --> 00:36:12,352 I said I'd leave the way 425 00:36:12,352 --> 00:36:14,192 Then I left us stranded 426 00:36:14,192 --> 00:36:18,452 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh 427 00:36:18,452 --> 00:36:22,112 Put on chains and remove my name 428 00:36:22,112 --> 00:36:24,992 All because I love it soon 429 00:36:24,992 --> 00:36:29,452 Then I blew it all away 430 00:36:29,452 --> 00:36:33,492 With a hit and run 431 00:36:33,492 --> 00:36:35,232 Hit and run 432 00:36:35,232 --> 00:36:37,372 With a hit and run 433 00:36:37,372 --> 00:36:39,072 Hit and run 434 00:36:39,072 --> 00:36:40,992 With a hit and run 435 00:36:40,992 --> 00:36:42,752 Hit and run 436 00:36:42,752 --> 00:36:44,572 It was a hit and run. 437 00:36:51,112 --> 00:36:55,312 That was Hit and Run by Amber Sweeney. 438 00:36:55,672 --> 00:37:00,732 A little bit of just a passing resemblance to Amy Winehouse there. 439 00:37:01,452 --> 00:37:03,952 I don't know if you caught that, Buttercup. 440 00:37:04,652 --> 00:37:08,592 Now that you say there may be a little bit of hint of that yet, 441 00:37:08,592 --> 00:37:13,132 But it just really, I don't know, it just seemed fun. 442 00:37:13,272 --> 00:37:18,992 But I didn't know anything about Amber's music until I did this Wavelake dive. 443 00:37:21,072 --> 00:37:27,812 So what I'm hearing is this music world, right? 444 00:37:28,432 --> 00:37:29,572 Diving at Wavelake. 445 00:37:30,072 --> 00:37:32,952 By the way, did you look at the Fountain Music Catalog as well? 446 00:37:33,972 --> 00:37:34,652 I didn't. 447 00:37:34,652 --> 00:37:36,092 I tried to find it. 448 00:37:36,092 --> 00:37:41,712 I only use Fountain to listen to my podcast 449 00:37:41,712 --> 00:37:45,712 And when we spoke about doing this 450 00:37:45,712 --> 00:37:49,752 And bringing you music for the show 451 00:37:49,752 --> 00:37:54,812 I started to look into my app 452 00:37:54,812 --> 00:37:56,232 My Fountain app 453 00:37:56,232 --> 00:37:59,352 And I only found the music feed 454 00:37:59,352 --> 00:38:03,312 And I didn't find it very easy to find the music 455 00:38:03,312 --> 00:38:04,252 And all that 456 00:38:04,252 --> 00:38:09,492 So I just thought I'm going back to Wavelake and see what I found there. 457 00:38:09,712 --> 00:38:18,532 But maybe it was just because I spent a few minutes and just couldn't see it in a catalog format. 458 00:38:19,352 --> 00:38:23,472 But it may be just that I didn't click where I had to click, you know. 459 00:38:24,452 --> 00:38:27,892 Well, no, it's actually good feedback to the Fountain team, right? 460 00:38:28,312 --> 00:38:32,072 Which is, you are a fairly sophisticated NOSTA user. 461 00:38:32,072 --> 00:38:34,112 You've been using NOSTA for a while, right? 462 00:38:34,112 --> 00:38:50,772 And so Oscar, Nick, Davidas, if you guys are listening, just some food for thought here, which is it wasn't immediately obvious for Buttercup to how to search for music when she went to Fountain. 463 00:38:50,772 --> 00:39:06,632 You could see the trending tracks and at least, you know, in the same way that in Wavelake you have like the top 40. But whenever you wanted to really just go into finding a catalog and seeing what is there. 464 00:39:06,632 --> 00:39:09,292 I say this from the love 465 00:39:09,292 --> 00:39:10,952 because I know that the team 466 00:39:10,952 --> 00:39:13,012 that Fountain and the team at Wavelake 467 00:39:13,012 --> 00:39:14,052 in the end they are 468 00:39:14,052 --> 00:39:17,172 working on stuff that we all benefit from 469 00:39:17,172 --> 00:39:18,832 but I do feel that 470 00:39:18,832 --> 00:39:20,692 I found it hard to 471 00:39:20,692 --> 00:39:22,272 be able to really 472 00:39:22,272 --> 00:39:24,732 explore the music 473 00:39:24,732 --> 00:39:27,352 and find the catalogs 474 00:39:27,352 --> 00:39:29,192 and navigate 475 00:39:29,192 --> 00:39:30,812 for example genres 476 00:39:30,812 --> 00:39:33,312 of trying to know what I was going for 477 00:39:33,312 --> 00:39:34,952 you know I found myself 478 00:39:34,952 --> 00:39:46,952 For example, in Wavelake, if I wanted to go beyond the top 40, I had to go to the catalog and the catalog was a list of names that I really didn't know anything about. 479 00:39:46,952 --> 00:39:59,412 And suddenly, you know, I actually posted on Nostra about it and I tagged Wavelake like, hey, I think it would really benefit the user experience. 480 00:39:59,412 --> 00:40:07,472 You know how we're used in a music store to just browse covers, you know, album covers or stuff like that. 481 00:40:07,592 --> 00:40:21,872 I think that there is still some stuff in terms of user experience and what we were talking before the song as well of bringing people over who are used to the Spotify's and the band cams and the SoundCloud. 482 00:40:21,872 --> 00:40:24,372 of making it easy for them. 483 00:40:24,552 --> 00:40:32,872 Discovery, I feel, is something that still can be a little perfected. 484 00:40:33,772 --> 00:40:34,892 Absolutely, right? 485 00:40:34,972 --> 00:40:39,052 I think one of the areas where NOSTA in general, right, 486 00:40:39,172 --> 00:40:41,172 and music is, you can feel it acutely, 487 00:40:41,952 --> 00:40:45,232 but data on NOSTA in general would benefit from 488 00:40:45,232 --> 00:40:47,252 is better curation and better discovery. 489 00:40:47,252 --> 00:40:54,912 obviously a fairly complicated problem to solve in a decentralized system it's very easy in a 490 00:40:54,912 --> 00:41:00,792 centralized system there's one database one database so you can build whatever an elastic 491 00:41:00,792 --> 00:41:08,332 search or something like that that helps people find stuff easily but i think people are it's it's 492 00:41:08,332 --> 00:41:15,572 you raise a great point and i and people are aware of it and i think the reason it's taking this long 493 00:41:15,572 --> 00:41:18,012 is because it's such a complicated problem to solve 494 00:41:18,012 --> 00:41:19,872 in a decentralized way. 495 00:41:21,272 --> 00:41:21,832 Yeah, absolutely. 496 00:41:21,992 --> 00:41:23,452 And I think that this kind of show 497 00:41:23,452 --> 00:41:25,832 really helps a lot with the discovery, for example. 498 00:41:26,032 --> 00:41:28,192 I mean, some of the songs that I've discovered 499 00:41:28,192 --> 00:41:30,252 have to do with listening to it 500 00:41:30,252 --> 00:41:32,392 in a value-for-value show 501 00:41:32,392 --> 00:41:34,692 where they put you songs there 502 00:41:34,692 --> 00:41:45,128 and suddenly there is people recommending it But it something that obviously is a very complicated task and there not one single solution 503 00:41:46,028 --> 00:41:51,168 And it's something that it's still going to take us time to get there. 504 00:41:51,968 --> 00:41:52,568 Yeah. 505 00:41:53,068 --> 00:41:55,888 I think shows like this, and there are others as well, right? 506 00:41:55,888 --> 00:42:01,488 The list is growing recently, especially for Valley for Valley music shows. 507 00:42:01,488 --> 00:42:06,048 they're not necessarily as plugged into NOSTA as I am. 508 00:42:06,348 --> 00:42:10,048 I just bring my NOSTA baggage with me wherever I go. 509 00:42:10,728 --> 00:42:18,168 But in an ideal world, shows like this are one arm of the flywheel, 510 00:42:18,268 --> 00:42:19,008 giving it momentum. 511 00:42:20,228 --> 00:42:24,868 And what I mean by that is this is what should happen ideally. 512 00:42:24,968 --> 00:42:26,208 I don't think it's quite happening yet. 513 00:42:26,208 --> 00:42:31,868 is we do the work and on this show, 514 00:42:31,948 --> 00:42:35,008 the guest does the work to find the songs. 515 00:42:35,688 --> 00:42:37,628 But they get featured here. 516 00:42:38,628 --> 00:42:40,828 The people who listen to this show, 517 00:42:41,108 --> 00:42:43,988 how many other people listen to it? 518 00:42:44,708 --> 00:42:47,468 And ideally, they start boosting the songs 519 00:42:47,468 --> 00:42:49,768 using these splits, which are baked in. 520 00:42:50,888 --> 00:42:54,488 Those boosts and potentially zaps even 521 00:42:54,488 --> 00:42:59,988 make the song trend on Fountain and Wavelake. 522 00:43:01,088 --> 00:43:03,008 And once they do, they come to the top 523 00:43:03,008 --> 00:43:05,568 and make the discovery easier. 524 00:43:06,288 --> 00:43:08,828 That's what should be happening in an ideal world. 525 00:43:08,948 --> 00:43:11,808 Now, as we've been finding in general 526 00:43:11,808 --> 00:43:13,168 in the Valley for Valley space, 527 00:43:14,308 --> 00:43:17,168 money doesn't flow that easily, right? 528 00:43:18,328 --> 00:43:20,028 Or it's very non-uniform. 529 00:43:20,188 --> 00:43:22,188 There are a certain number of shows 530 00:43:22,188 --> 00:43:23,968 that get boosted and zapped a lot, 531 00:43:23,968 --> 00:43:27,428 and then there's a long tail that just kind of get, you know, 532 00:43:28,008 --> 00:43:31,588 it dwindles over those shows. 533 00:43:33,248 --> 00:43:38,748 Yeah, and I think as well, I know that there has been many ideas 534 00:43:38,748 --> 00:43:44,408 about how to incentivize that people that spend time curating 535 00:43:44,408 --> 00:43:48,968 and doing playlists and sharing can really add to that discovery 536 00:43:49,548 --> 00:43:50,868 and in a way it does. 537 00:43:50,868 --> 00:43:55,228 but I guess that we're just on the 538 00:43:55,228 --> 00:43:59,028 road right and it's what you were saying that for the moment 539 00:43:59,028 --> 00:44:02,348 it's still something that 540 00:44:02,348 --> 00:44:06,188 I have to say it's pretty new you know 541 00:44:06,188 --> 00:44:10,688 it's pretty new it's still rough at the edges 542 00:44:10,688 --> 00:44:14,908 in some places but I think that little by little 543 00:44:14,908 --> 00:44:18,868 as well I remember when I was hearing one of your interviews 544 00:44:18,868 --> 00:44:38,228 I think that it was with Open Mic, I think, that had a lot to do with the limitations that artists that have other contractual commitments face when being able to really not share music on Noster or not premiere music here. 545 00:44:38,228 --> 00:44:55,908 So I think that we're also on one side, we have to perfect the UX and the UI to make it so that artists that have nothing to do with Noster and just not artists, but the users who could be wanting to discover new music can do it easily. 546 00:44:55,908 --> 00:45:10,828 But on the other side, we are facing a very big leviathan of contractual law that makes it so that the access to the music is very fractured. 547 00:45:12,828 --> 00:45:14,848 So, yeah, I don't know. 548 00:45:15,128 --> 00:45:20,888 Many, many things that we that we must prevail against. 549 00:45:20,888 --> 00:45:47,128 But since Spotify is going in this trend of having so much AI music and using their algorithms to get more money for the AI music, then maybe we end up having some more human driven, smaller, like Noster now with the 5000 people, smaller with a lot of generous souls wanting to make value for value work, you know? 550 00:45:47,128 --> 00:45:53,508 Yeah. Narrow and deep rather than shallow and wide. 551 00:45:54,248 --> 00:45:54,808 Yep. 552 00:45:55,688 --> 00:45:57,128 As you get, but, but, okay. 553 00:45:57,128 --> 00:46:01,168 So you mentioned the 5,000 users and growing Nostra. 554 00:46:01,908 --> 00:46:04,968 And one of the things we were talking about was, 555 00:46:04,968 --> 00:46:10,288 was talking the B word Bitcoin and how that's a big turnoff to quote unquote 556 00:46:10,288 --> 00:46:11,188 normies, right? 557 00:46:11,208 --> 00:46:14,028 They're like, Oh, who are these crypto crazies? 558 00:46:14,088 --> 00:46:15,708 What are they talking about? I don't want to be here. 559 00:46:15,708 --> 00:46:18,588 I'm going to go back to Blue Sky where we're talking about, 560 00:46:18,608 --> 00:46:20,588 I don't know what they talk about on Blue Sky. 561 00:46:22,428 --> 00:46:24,748 One of the, so in the early, 562 00:46:25,348 --> 00:46:27,888 for the first year or two, I was on Noster. 563 00:46:28,668 --> 00:46:30,888 And this is a topic that came up a lot, right? 564 00:46:30,908 --> 00:46:31,888 Oh, we need to grow Noster. 565 00:46:31,988 --> 00:46:33,368 We need to stop talking about Bitcoin. 566 00:46:34,148 --> 00:46:38,748 And my counter argument always was, 567 00:46:38,948 --> 00:46:41,248 look, I came to Noster to be myself. 568 00:46:41,428 --> 00:46:43,088 It's the one place on the internet 569 00:46:43,088 --> 00:46:44,688 where you can be your authentic self 570 00:46:44,688 --> 00:46:46,408 and you will be heard. 571 00:46:47,028 --> 00:46:50,088 I mean, now, if your authentic self is an absolutely horrible human being, 572 00:46:50,188 --> 00:46:51,388 chances are you'll be muted. 573 00:46:52,088 --> 00:46:55,848 But within an acceptable range, 574 00:46:55,988 --> 00:46:59,568 and that's a fairly broad range of human behaviors, 575 00:46:59,568 --> 00:47:05,608 if you're your authentic self, chances are you'll find the people, 576 00:47:05,788 --> 00:47:09,188 you'll find your tribe, even if it's two or three or ten people, right? 577 00:47:09,308 --> 00:47:10,248 You'll find them. 578 00:47:10,248 --> 00:47:18,188 so me being my authentic self is talking about bitcoin i came to nostril to be my authentic self 579 00:47:18,188 --> 00:47:22,348 and now you're telling me i should stop being my authentic self which is what i was having to do on 580 00:47:22,348 --> 00:47:28,948 these fiat platforms right to try and game the algorithm to to be heard so that was always my 581 00:47:28,948 --> 00:47:34,668 pushback that look i i'm here because i can be myself and being myself is talking about bitcoin 582 00:47:34,668 --> 00:47:35,668 So I'm going to talk about Bitcoin. 583 00:47:37,528 --> 00:47:39,468 I agree. 584 00:47:39,628 --> 00:47:48,628 I think that it's a fish that bites its tail because we want to be able to talk about things that we care about. 585 00:47:49,168 --> 00:47:55,208 Most Bitcoiners care about these kinds of the stuff that your intro says we weren't going to talk about. 586 00:47:55,308 --> 00:47:56,908 So we're not going to go deep into that. 587 00:47:57,768 --> 00:47:59,908 But we do care about these kind of things. 588 00:47:59,908 --> 00:48:01,068 And we care about privacy. 589 00:48:01,628 --> 00:48:03,448 And we care about monetary freedom. 590 00:48:03,448 --> 00:48:05,628 and all of that jazz. 591 00:48:06,208 --> 00:48:10,028 And that makes it so that on one side, 592 00:48:10,148 --> 00:48:13,688 that is the kind of post and engagement and content 593 00:48:13,688 --> 00:48:15,288 that gets the most zapped. 594 00:48:15,808 --> 00:48:18,568 Because in the end, it's also Bitcoiners 595 00:48:18,568 --> 00:48:19,908 who care about that content. 596 00:48:19,908 --> 00:48:23,668 And it's them who see the value of sending you sats 597 00:48:23,668 --> 00:48:26,908 and sending you a money that for Bitcoiners 598 00:48:26,908 --> 00:48:29,048 is like the best tip you can get, right? 599 00:48:29,048 --> 00:48:33,608 It's the, you'd rather get SATs than get anything else. 600 00:48:34,228 --> 00:48:38,348 So people who come, I've tried to onboard many people into Noster. 601 00:48:38,908 --> 00:48:44,948 And what I've found is that they maybe try to put in the effort of, oh, wow, there is 602 00:48:44,948 --> 00:48:47,008 this potential of earning SATs. 603 00:48:47,228 --> 00:48:51,808 And they feel that they are being themselves as well in the other platforms. 604 00:48:51,808 --> 00:48:56,488 It's not like they feel that they are not, you know, but suddenly they see that maybe 605 00:48:56,488 --> 00:49:03,968 the content that they are putting out is not getting the same acceptance as other content is. 606 00:49:04,448 --> 00:49:10,228 Also, the barrier of entry for Noster, like literally you start from a blank page, you know, 607 00:49:10,568 --> 00:49:15,948 if you don't know who anyone is and you start from scratch, you basically follow the friend 608 00:49:15,948 --> 00:49:22,548 who onboarded you to Noster and you either let yourself be recommended by the algorithm that 609 00:49:22,548 --> 00:49:27,628 primal recommends at the beginning or yakihon recommends at the beginning and suddenly you have 610 00:49:27,628 --> 00:49:34,948 a feed full of stuff that that you're not really interested in um but it's true that it's a fish 611 00:49:34,948 --> 00:49:42,088 that buys a sale because the ones that really find value in that stuff and are willing to part 612 00:49:42,088 --> 00:49:48,828 with their sats and tip you are people who are going to be in this and i mean this in as being 613 00:49:48,828 --> 00:49:54,648 part of the Bitcoin eco-chamber. No, but it's the people from the eco-chamber that finally have 614 00:49:54,648 --> 00:50:00,488 people like them that like to talk about this stuff, that miss being able to talk about that 615 00:50:00,488 --> 00:50:10,688 maybe in their real life. So I don't know. I feel that for the moment, people feel like they have to 616 00:50:10,688 --> 00:50:16,388 leave too much stuff behind in their regular platforms for something that doesn't really 617 00:50:16,388 --> 00:50:23,388 give them that much value back and many people who haven't really gone down the rabbit hole and 618 00:50:23,388 --> 00:50:31,528 only think bitcoin is this uh speculative asset that hopefully can be a rich get rich quick scheme 619 00:50:31,528 --> 00:50:37,848 when you start talking to them about it it can be that that it turns them off because it feels 620 00:50:37,848 --> 00:50:46,368 like you're trying to sell them something you know i think there is a way out um which is 621 00:50:46,368 --> 00:50:49,308 is, and this probably will take time, 622 00:50:49,848 --> 00:50:52,548 which is you get a handful of people in 623 00:50:52,548 --> 00:50:54,388 who can tolerate Bitcoin, 624 00:50:54,508 --> 00:50:55,908 and they need to be artists, right? 625 00:50:55,928 --> 00:50:57,188 They need to be filmmakers, musicians, 626 00:50:57,288 --> 00:50:57,988 or whatever it is. 627 00:50:58,068 --> 00:50:59,428 They're like, yeah, that's fine. 628 00:50:59,528 --> 00:51:00,548 You know, I'm not a Bitcoiner, 629 00:51:00,788 --> 00:51:02,228 but I don't mind it. 630 00:51:02,248 --> 00:51:03,148 They could talk about it. 631 00:51:03,188 --> 00:51:03,908 And they come in, 632 00:51:03,968 --> 00:51:06,728 and they have a large following, 633 00:51:07,448 --> 00:51:10,328 and they start bringing some of their followers 634 00:51:10,328 --> 00:51:13,988 who absolutely don't care about Bitcoin. 635 00:51:14,348 --> 00:51:16,008 But they're there because this person 636 00:51:16,008 --> 00:51:19,828 that they support, this artist that they support is there. 637 00:51:19,908 --> 00:51:22,408 And then they start having these little side conversations 638 00:51:22,408 --> 00:51:24,428 that might not be about Bitcoin at all. 639 00:51:25,248 --> 00:51:28,248 And so then it permeates that way, right? 640 00:51:28,308 --> 00:51:31,428 So it needs to start with this sort of in-between type person 641 00:51:31,428 --> 00:51:32,788 who's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I'll come. 642 00:51:32,948 --> 00:51:34,608 It seems fun, whatever. 643 00:51:34,768 --> 00:51:35,688 Let them talk about Bitcoin. 644 00:51:35,828 --> 00:51:36,688 I'll just do my thing. 645 00:51:37,328 --> 00:51:38,548 And then they bring their people 646 00:51:38,548 --> 00:51:40,608 and then slowly these circles start forming. 647 00:51:42,548 --> 00:51:44,968 I mean, that's a hope, right? 648 00:51:46,008 --> 00:51:56,628 That's the hope. And I think that that you raise this. And I think, for example, with with Bitcoin for the arts, but we're helping Dion build. 649 00:51:56,628 --> 00:52:05,888 There can be something very interesting because I do think that there is something about onboarding artists that can make this on one side, bring their following. 650 00:52:06,308 --> 00:52:15,248 And on the other side, make art that even if it doesn't use the word Bitcoin introduces you to the ethos behind it. 651 00:52:15,248 --> 00:52:22,628 know of elements of the fact that um dion when we were talking about bitcoin for the arts and in 652 00:52:22,628 --> 00:52:30,368 in some of the calls that we've been together in um the fact of wanting to do grants where it 653 00:52:30,368 --> 00:52:37,828 doesn't have to be about bitcoin but if we know that for for for us it's important to talk about 654 00:52:37,828 --> 00:52:45,908 the power of, I don't know, decentralization or the power of other elements that we tie to the 655 00:52:45,908 --> 00:52:52,408 Bitcoin ethos. Maybe artists will come and we'll just see a way for Bitcoin being just this thing 656 00:52:52,408 --> 00:52:59,548 that, hey, they see a grant call. The topic doesn't have to do with Bitcoin to them, but they can 657 00:52:59,548 --> 00:53:06,188 find a way to create a project where they earn this thing. They never knew they could look at it 658 00:53:06,188 --> 00:53:12,388 as a grant form that could help them go through whatever times work. 659 00:53:13,068 --> 00:53:17,608 And little by little, people start seeing out their art 660 00:53:17,608 --> 00:53:20,748 that it's not about Bitcoin, but it is. 661 00:53:21,088 --> 00:53:23,028 And the subtext is Bitcoin. 662 00:53:23,028 --> 00:53:29,108 So that in the end, it just starts being part of the discourse. 663 00:53:30,168 --> 00:53:30,268 Yeah. 664 00:53:31,788 --> 00:53:34,868 This is a sly roundabout way, for sure. 665 00:53:36,188 --> 00:53:40,148 I want to get back to Bitcoin for the Arts, 666 00:53:40,328 --> 00:53:43,928 but you still have a playlist that we're not yet halfway through. 667 00:53:44,528 --> 00:53:46,788 So let's move on to song number three. 668 00:53:47,828 --> 00:53:51,408 So you've picked I Need a Little by The Retrograde. 669 00:53:52,128 --> 00:53:55,888 So The Retrograde, I started playing Valley for Valley music 670 00:53:55,888 --> 00:53:59,148 on both my podcasts on Plep Chain Radio and on Sunday Branch. 671 00:53:59,208 --> 00:54:02,908 Sunday Branch obviously is dedicated entirely to Valley for Valley music. 672 00:54:02,908 --> 00:54:08,508 Like Plep Chain Radio, it's a nice little breather in between at the one hour mark. 673 00:54:08,848 --> 00:54:12,688 And that was the first show I started playing Valley for Valley Music three or four months ago. 674 00:54:13,408 --> 00:54:16,348 And the first song I picked was by the Retrograde. 675 00:54:16,568 --> 00:54:17,848 It wasn't this one. 676 00:54:18,388 --> 00:54:19,768 I picked Closer to Somewhere. 677 00:54:20,068 --> 00:54:22,628 But yes, I do like the Retrograde. 678 00:54:23,548 --> 00:54:24,208 They're fun. 679 00:54:25,088 --> 00:54:25,668 They are fun. 680 00:54:27,348 --> 00:54:28,048 They are fun. 681 00:54:28,048 --> 00:54:32,468 A couple of weeks back, I had Butt Tender from Hash Power Music. 682 00:54:32,908 --> 00:54:42,568 And so Hashpower Music onboards these musicians, independent artists, into the value for value open music ecosystem. 683 00:54:43,748 --> 00:54:52,048 So he was the guy, or Hashpower Music was the entity that brought the retrograde over here. 684 00:54:52,648 --> 00:54:54,588 So let's listen. 685 00:54:54,848 --> 00:54:58,208 This is I Need a Little by the Retrograde. 686 00:55:02,908 --> 00:55:25,708 I make the music in my head that makes you want to tap your shoe. 687 00:55:25,708 --> 00:55:33,228 I paint the fillings in my shed 47, 80, cobalt blue 688 00:55:33,264 --> 00:55:40,724 Ooh, my love, I'm thinking of the things we used to do. 689 00:55:41,804 --> 00:55:47,584 Ooh, my love, oh, my heart, I guess that's over too. 690 00:55:48,504 --> 00:55:50,264 One time. 691 00:55:52,544 --> 00:55:56,404 I need a little, I need to get up. 692 00:55:56,544 --> 00:55:59,724 Something over nothing keeps me by your side. 693 00:55:59,724 --> 00:56:03,664 I need a little, I need to get up 694 00:56:03,664 --> 00:56:06,744 Try to race the summer, joke and never hide 695 00:56:06,744 --> 00:56:09,064 Till you tell me that you want it 696 00:56:09,064 --> 00:56:13,224 Always thinking of it, never leaving it behind 697 00:56:13,224 --> 00:56:18,204 I need a little, I need to get up 698 00:56:18,204 --> 00:56:19,824 Never mind 699 00:56:29,724 --> 00:56:38,924 In prison now for choosing 700 00:56:38,924 --> 00:56:41,124 You never wanted me 701 00:56:41,124 --> 00:56:42,684 You're all in shame 702 00:56:42,684 --> 00:56:46,984 And now I don't know what to do 703 00:56:46,984 --> 00:56:49,584 When you tell me I'm the one to blame 704 00:56:49,584 --> 00:56:52,684 Ooh, my love 705 00:56:52,684 --> 00:56:54,684 I'm thinking of 706 00:56:54,684 --> 00:56:57,184 The things we used to do 707 00:56:57,184 --> 00:57:01,824 Ooh, my love, oh, my heart 708 00:57:01,824 --> 00:57:06,624 I guess that's over too, too tight 709 00:57:06,624 --> 00:57:12,784 I need a little, I need to get up 710 00:57:12,784 --> 00:57:16,184 Something over nothing keeps me by the side 711 00:57:16,184 --> 00:57:20,044 I need a little, I need to get up 712 00:57:20,044 --> 00:57:23,124 Try to raise the sun but you can never hide 713 00:57:23,124 --> 00:57:25,304 Till you die without your woman 714 00:57:25,304 --> 00:57:29,744 I was thinking of it, never leaving it behind 715 00:57:29,744 --> 00:57:36,344 I need a little, I need to get out, but never mind 716 00:57:36,344 --> 00:57:42,544 Till you take it back to say 717 00:57:42,544 --> 00:57:49,804 That we'll never find a way 718 00:57:49,804 --> 00:57:57,704 No, no, I won't take all the blame 719 00:57:57,704 --> 00:58:05,264 It's because I need a little 720 00:58:05,264 --> 00:58:07,304 I need to get up 721 00:58:07,304 --> 00:58:10,624 Something over nothing keeps me by your side 722 00:58:10,624 --> 00:58:12,584 I need a little 723 00:58:12,584 --> 00:58:14,584 I need to get up 724 00:58:14,584 --> 00:58:17,704 Try to race a storm but you can never hide 725 00:58:17,704 --> 00:58:19,984 Till you told me that you want it 726 00:58:19,984 --> 00:58:21,824 Always thinking of me 727 00:58:21,824 --> 00:58:24,304 Gotta believe in me behind 728 00:58:24,304 --> 00:58:27,264 I need a little 729 00:58:27,264 --> 00:58:30,884 I need to get out of my mind 730 00:58:30,884 --> 00:58:50,764 I need a little, I need a little 731 00:58:50,764 --> 00:58:58,284 I need a little, I need a little 732 00:59:00,884 --> 00:59:10,544 That was I Need a Little by The Retrograde. 733 00:59:10,824 --> 00:59:12,744 Really fun song, Buttercup. 734 00:59:13,004 --> 00:59:14,024 I can... 735 00:59:14,024 --> 00:59:15,764 Retrograde, they do this, right? 736 00:59:15,784 --> 00:59:18,604 They kind of transport you back to a happier time. 737 00:59:19,164 --> 00:59:20,044 Maybe the 80s. 738 00:59:20,044 --> 00:59:24,324 This is like a theme song for a college movie from the 1980s. 739 00:59:24,764 --> 00:59:27,304 I can totally see that, yes. 740 00:59:27,304 --> 00:59:29,484 when I discovered this 741 00:59:29,484 --> 00:59:31,704 I had a lot of fun listening to it 742 00:59:31,704 --> 00:59:33,764 I've played it a couple 743 00:59:33,764 --> 00:59:35,204 of times since it just 744 00:59:35,204 --> 00:59:37,584 brings back to 745 00:59:37,584 --> 00:59:39,764 kind of that 80s 746 00:59:39,764 --> 00:59:41,244 80s vibe I guess 747 00:59:41,244 --> 00:59:45,764 so our live chat has been 748 00:59:45,764 --> 00:59:47,484 lively I'm going to read 749 00:59:47,484 --> 00:59:49,664 some of the comments some of the more recent 750 00:59:49,664 --> 00:59:51,684 comments Paul in the 751 00:59:51,684 --> 00:59:52,824 jungle friend of the show 752 00:59:52,824 --> 00:59:55,564 says buttercup 753 00:59:55,564 --> 00:59:58,464 was my favorite Powerpuff Girl. 754 00:59:58,664 --> 01:00:00,084 Is that where the name comes from? 755 01:00:01,424 --> 01:00:05,344 No, actually, but I'm glad that Buttercup 756 01:00:05,344 --> 01:00:06,804 was his favorite Powerpuff Girl. 757 01:00:07,404 --> 01:00:11,844 It actually comes from the film The Princess Bride. 758 01:00:13,024 --> 01:00:15,624 I started having this name 759 01:00:15,624 --> 01:00:17,784 when I started to contribute 760 01:00:17,784 --> 01:00:20,064 to the Ross Ulbricht defense campaign. 761 01:00:21,384 --> 01:00:25,464 And since he had this Dread Pirate Roberts, 762 01:00:25,564 --> 01:00:31,964 characters that had the was a pseudonym that he went through with the whole silk road thing 763 01:00:31,964 --> 01:00:38,564 when i started to contribute i just uh uh it made it was fun for me to okay then 764 01:00:38,564 --> 01:00:44,944 my name is going to be buttercup roberts and it just stick and i just stayed with it 765 01:00:44,944 --> 01:00:53,804 nice and then we have intuitive guy hello intuitive guy long time supporter of the show 766 01:00:53,804 --> 01:00:56,704 actually from the very first episode of Plep Chain Radio 767 01:00:56,704 --> 01:01:00,024 back over three years ago, actually, 768 01:01:00,104 --> 01:01:01,084 now that I think about it, 769 01:01:01,184 --> 01:01:04,044 back in early March of 2023. 770 01:01:05,424 --> 01:01:07,604 So Intuitive Guy says, 771 01:01:07,764 --> 01:01:10,164 artists should come and explore NOSTA 772 01:01:10,164 --> 01:01:12,344 for content sovereignty 773 01:01:12,344 --> 01:01:14,444 and stay for money sovereignty, 774 01:01:14,804 --> 01:01:15,724 learning about Bitcoin. 775 01:01:16,884 --> 01:01:19,964 I think that, yes, I agree there. 776 01:01:20,564 --> 01:01:23,104 We have Bitcoin for the Arts saying, 777 01:01:23,804 --> 01:01:25,704 giving us three heart emojis. 778 01:01:26,284 --> 01:01:27,184 Hello, Bitcoin for the Arts. 779 01:01:27,404 --> 01:01:28,884 I suspect that's... 780 01:01:28,884 --> 01:01:31,044 Is that Dion running the account, Buttercup? 781 01:01:31,444 --> 01:01:32,184 Or is that you? 782 01:01:32,204 --> 01:01:32,704 I think so. 783 01:01:33,064 --> 01:01:33,944 I think it's Dion. 784 01:01:34,184 --> 01:01:35,924 I did a couple of memes for it, 785 01:01:35,964 --> 01:01:37,924 and I do some memes at some point 786 01:01:37,924 --> 01:01:39,724 to bring people to the end pub. 787 01:01:39,864 --> 01:01:42,364 But other than that, I think it must be Dion. 788 01:01:44,384 --> 01:01:46,044 Hello, Dion, if you're still listening. 789 01:01:48,644 --> 01:01:50,504 So let's talk about Bitcoin for the Arts 790 01:01:50,504 --> 01:01:53,844 and your involvement with it. 791 01:01:54,484 --> 01:01:56,124 Why don't you do this, Vardika? 792 01:01:56,444 --> 01:01:58,684 We might be having some fresh listeners here. 793 01:01:58,784 --> 01:02:02,424 I did have Dion on Plep Chain Radio a couple of months back 794 01:02:02,424 --> 01:02:05,284 where we talked in depth about Bitcoin for the Arts. 795 01:02:05,944 --> 01:02:11,164 But for those who are tuning in with fresh ears, 796 01:02:11,864 --> 01:02:16,904 do you want to give your view of what Bitcoin for the Arts is 797 01:02:16,904 --> 01:02:19,704 and where you think we're heading this year? 798 01:02:20,504 --> 01:02:38,304 Sure. Bitcoin for the Arts is an initiative that I found out about this because Dion was posting on Nostra that he was looking for people interested in the arts and that were part of the Bitcoin ethos. 799 01:02:38,304 --> 01:02:42,864 and to try to create an initiative that would fund artists. 800 01:02:44,284 --> 01:02:52,704 They could do their art and as well so that people who wanted to donate money for the arts 801 01:02:52,704 --> 01:02:55,464 could find a vehicle through this initiative. 802 01:02:56,124 --> 01:03:02,524 So it's something that I think that it's something, I don't know how early it started. 803 01:03:02,884 --> 01:03:07,044 I guess around the end of last year was the first time that I heard about it. 804 01:03:07,104 --> 01:03:07,924 I don't know about you. 805 01:03:07,924 --> 01:03:22,844 I know that you've been talking with Dion earlier than I was, but it's something that we're going to be launching in a way the first grants around mid-year this year. 806 01:03:22,844 --> 01:03:29,324 and there's a website available where people can see whether they want to become on one side a 807 01:03:29,324 --> 01:03:37,484 supporter and just be part of the just of the circle of people who want to contribute and any 808 01:03:37,484 --> 01:03:42,524 money that people donate and any bitcoin that people donate is stuff that is going to go to 809 01:03:42,524 --> 01:03:51,124 generate grants for artists with an idea of of being able to grant artists for many different 810 01:03:51,124 --> 01:03:56,684 artistic fields and disciplines but always with a little bit of that sense of what we were talking 811 01:03:56,684 --> 01:04:04,244 before of it doesn't have to be bitcoin art because we want it to be art that can travel and 812 01:04:04,244 --> 01:04:09,564 impact many people but i do think that it's going to be art that is going to have a little bit of 813 01:04:09,564 --> 01:04:18,664 that bitcoin ethos in it and it's going to be a great way for us to onboard artists into a new way 814 01:04:18,664 --> 01:04:20,784 of earning their lives. 815 01:04:21,084 --> 01:04:22,184 So earning a living. 816 01:04:23,544 --> 01:04:26,504 So let's play out a hypothetical scenario here. 817 01:04:27,344 --> 01:04:30,304 A hypothetical scenario that we will hopefully, 818 01:04:30,384 --> 01:04:33,904 not hopefully, we will plan to make real this year. 819 01:04:34,044 --> 01:04:35,304 But let's just say we raised, 820 01:04:36,244 --> 01:04:38,824 so I am, by the way, for folks who are unaware, 821 01:04:39,024 --> 01:04:41,544 I am part of the board of Bitcoin for the Arts. 822 01:04:42,124 --> 01:04:45,364 And I was working with Dion Wilson, 823 01:04:45,364 --> 01:04:48,884 and the creator of Bitcoin for the Arts. 824 01:04:48,984 --> 01:04:51,644 We've been working for quite a few months now 825 01:04:51,644 --> 01:04:52,884 to get this thing off the ground. 826 01:04:52,964 --> 01:04:55,844 Obviously, Dion's doing the lion's share of the work 827 01:04:55,844 --> 01:04:57,244 in doing this. 828 01:04:57,324 --> 01:05:02,004 But let's think about this ideal scenario. 829 01:05:03,104 --> 01:05:05,444 We've raised 10 Bitcoin. 830 01:05:06,104 --> 01:05:06,844 I'm just, right? 831 01:05:06,924 --> 01:05:07,304 Why not? 832 01:05:08,184 --> 01:05:08,964 We've raised 10 Bitcoin. 833 01:05:08,984 --> 01:05:09,524 Let's be optimistic. 834 01:05:09,924 --> 01:05:10,404 Hell yeah. 835 01:05:10,404 --> 01:05:10,624 Yeah. 836 01:05:12,584 --> 01:05:15,324 We've raised 10 Bitcoin because, hey, 837 01:05:15,364 --> 01:05:23,004 The community realizes the need for art and how art really is architecture of this parallel city that we're building. 838 01:05:23,844 --> 01:05:25,404 There is no inspiration. 839 01:05:25,644 --> 01:05:38,584 There is no parallel city in any meaningful sense if there isn't a robust and inspiring, soaring artistic framework to hold it up. 840 01:05:38,584 --> 01:05:41,564 So we raised time Bitcoin because people realized that. 841 01:05:42,364 --> 01:05:44,764 You come from a film background, Buttercup. 842 01:05:44,764 --> 01:05:55,104 So let's take the example of a filmmaker who wants to make, it's not a Bitcoin movie, right? 843 01:05:55,204 --> 01:05:57,864 But something that sort of aligns with the values. 844 01:05:58,104 --> 01:06:03,104 It's a story about the human condition, about reclaiming sovereignty, something along those lines. 845 01:06:03,464 --> 01:06:05,124 And it's a one and a half hour movie. 846 01:06:05,764 --> 01:06:06,724 And they want to get it made. 847 01:06:06,884 --> 01:06:08,904 What would that ideal scenario look like? 848 01:06:08,904 --> 01:06:16,324 they find out about Bitcoin for the Arts and then to getting funded whatever amount they're trying to raise for that movie. 849 01:06:17,704 --> 01:06:24,204 I mean, in that sense, we haven't launched it yet, but I guess that the idea would be that there would be some grants. 850 01:06:24,464 --> 01:06:30,624 And I know that Dion has been speaking about different timings for launching the grants. 851 01:06:30,764 --> 01:06:33,384 I don't know if it's going to be monthly grants that are going to be. 852 01:06:33,384 --> 01:06:38,664 some of them are going to be more micro grants targeted to things that would be not as expensive 853 01:06:38,664 --> 01:06:44,084 as a film in the characteristics that you were talking about. And then there are going to be 854 01:06:44,084 --> 01:06:53,244 other grants that are going to be for bigger slices of grant and the money. And that being said, 855 01:06:53,364 --> 01:07:00,284 even with 10 Bitcoin to the value that we have today of what a Bitcoin can earn you would still 856 01:07:00,284 --> 01:07:06,184 be for a film in the conditions that you're talking about and having a crew having actors 857 01:07:06,184 --> 01:07:14,584 having all of the process of doing a film is still something that would be low budget right now 858 01:07:14,584 --> 01:07:22,344 very very low budget so it it has we need to be able to define very well if what we want from 859 01:07:22,344 --> 01:07:29,664 bitcoin for the arts is for it to be something that are only grants for stuff that can be done 860 01:07:29,664 --> 01:07:36,264 and finished with the entire grant, which suddenly, you know, you go more to music albums, 861 01:07:36,704 --> 01:07:44,964 stories, novel formats, dance choreographies, stuff that are different. If we want people to 862 01:07:44,964 --> 01:07:51,404 be able to do a full film and deliver the full film, I think it's much easier for the grant to 863 01:07:51,404 --> 01:07:58,144 be. Sometimes films need that kickoff money, you know, the first money in the window that allows you 864 01:07:58,144 --> 01:08:05,784 to do a teaser, to go to markets, to try to pay the screenwriter so that you can have a solid 865 01:08:05,784 --> 01:08:14,764 script that you're going to be financing off of. So I think that depending on the road that we 866 01:08:14,764 --> 01:08:21,324 really want to take with this, if we really want to be able to have big impact projects that have 867 01:08:21,324 --> 01:08:30,024 this ethos um maybe we we want to be able to have grants that require having a full a full 868 01:08:30,024 --> 01:08:38,484 the end of that grand time and others that are about kicking off big um big production value 869 01:08:38,484 --> 01:08:44,224 projects what do you think yeah no i think probably didn't pick the best example there 870 01:08:44,224 --> 01:08:51,544 buttercup film is just so fucking expensive you know it is it is and i'm making a travel show i 871 01:08:51,544 --> 01:08:59,004 feel the pinch right and um with finding home that's expensive i can't even imagine what a 872 01:08:59,004 --> 01:09:05,844 full budget film would be like but actually let me ask you this have you been to the warsaw film 873 01:09:05,844 --> 01:09:11,804 festival i think they've had three editions of you haven't okay i haven't and i haven't been to 874 01:09:11,804 --> 01:09:18,404 Bitcoin Frog where they told me that the film festival, the people who run the film festival 875 01:09:18,404 --> 01:09:32,874 are usually go there Am I mistaken But I heard that the whole community is there Yeah that where I met Tomek and Pierre Pierre Corban And Tomek I not going to try and pronounce his last name 876 01:09:33,574 --> 01:09:35,234 I mean, I have a Polish wife, 877 01:09:35,394 --> 01:09:38,474 but his name has way too many consonants 878 01:09:38,474 --> 01:09:41,514 without enough breathing room for vowels in between. 879 01:09:41,654 --> 01:09:43,854 So I'm not even going to bother pronouncing it. 880 01:09:44,614 --> 01:09:46,334 But great guys, Tomek and Pierre. 881 01:09:46,594 --> 01:09:49,074 And then, of course, I had Aza on this show last week. 882 01:09:49,134 --> 01:09:49,854 She helps out. 883 01:09:51,574 --> 01:09:56,054 And several other volunteers, Kasia and others. 884 01:09:56,214 --> 01:09:58,234 So, yeah, usually they're in Prague. 885 01:09:58,734 --> 01:10:00,534 No, well, actually, I'm digressing here. 886 01:10:00,614 --> 01:10:03,034 The reason I brought up the Bitcoin Film Fest, Buttercup, 887 01:10:03,094 --> 01:10:09,634 was because the time I was there, which was not last year, but in 2024, 888 01:10:10,974 --> 01:10:15,674 there were a lot of – actually, these guys are not necessarily Bitcoiners, 889 01:10:15,694 --> 01:10:16,734 the ones who come and present. 890 01:10:16,734 --> 01:10:20,314 Of course, you have Bitcoiners presenting, showing their movies, 891 01:10:20,314 --> 01:10:24,934 like the shorts and animations and some even long features, right? 892 01:10:26,174 --> 01:10:29,434 But there were others who heard about it. 893 01:10:29,514 --> 01:10:30,054 They're filmmakers. 894 01:10:30,294 --> 01:10:31,014 They show up. 895 01:10:31,254 --> 01:10:36,314 They kind of like the idea of Bitcoin and some of the sovereignty stuff and whatever. 896 01:10:36,674 --> 01:10:38,474 And there's this pitch contest. 897 01:10:39,894 --> 01:10:45,074 And one of the things they do is – so I saw a couple of examples of this. 898 01:10:45,994 --> 01:10:48,694 This guy says, look, I've put my own money in. 899 01:10:48,694 --> 01:10:50,074 I've 900 01:10:50,074 --> 01:10:51,394 you know 901 01:10:51,394 --> 01:10:52,294 have my own camera 902 01:10:52,294 --> 01:10:53,254 I went around 903 01:10:53,254 --> 01:10:54,614 this place 904 01:10:54,614 --> 01:10:55,734 and I filmed this 905 01:10:55,734 --> 01:10:57,354 this XYZ person 906 01:10:57,354 --> 01:10:58,134 for this documentary 907 01:10:58,134 --> 01:10:58,834 I'm making 908 01:10:58,834 --> 01:11:01,314 and here's the footage 909 01:11:01,314 --> 01:11:01,894 and they show 910 01:11:01,894 --> 01:11:02,234 you know 911 01:11:02,234 --> 01:11:02,774 some footage 912 01:11:02,774 --> 01:11:03,474 that they've captured 913 01:11:03,474 --> 01:11:04,714 they've done the editing 914 01:11:04,714 --> 01:11:05,214 themselves 915 01:11:05,214 --> 01:11:05,834 and it's not 916 01:11:05,834 --> 01:11:06,174 you know 917 01:11:06,174 --> 01:11:07,194 it's good 918 01:11:07,194 --> 01:11:08,534 but it needs that 919 01:11:08,534 --> 01:11:09,994 next step of 920 01:11:09,994 --> 01:11:11,494 maybe capturing 921 01:11:11,494 --> 01:11:12,094 more footage 922 01:11:12,094 --> 01:11:12,594 maybe some 923 01:11:12,594 --> 01:11:13,834 really high quality 924 01:11:13,834 --> 01:11:14,374 B-roll 925 01:11:14,374 --> 01:11:15,894 and then 926 01:11:15,894 --> 01:11:16,774 putting it through 927 01:11:16,774 --> 01:11:17,734 really professional 928 01:11:17,734 --> 01:11:22,254 editing, color grading, sound, and so on. 929 01:11:22,594 --> 01:11:25,674 And I say, look, I need to raise another $5,000, 930 01:11:26,194 --> 01:11:27,314 whatever the number is, right? 931 01:11:27,354 --> 01:11:29,254 Something a little more reasonable than 932 01:11:29,254 --> 01:11:33,194 a million dollars you would need 933 01:11:33,194 --> 01:11:36,054 for a full-fledged proper film, right? 934 01:11:36,714 --> 01:11:39,454 So I think there are those types of scenarios 935 01:11:39,454 --> 01:11:42,894 where people have shown the proof of work, 936 01:11:43,394 --> 01:11:44,954 burned their own capital 937 01:11:44,954 --> 01:11:49,074 to produce something that's, you know, not quite there, 938 01:11:49,154 --> 01:11:50,834 but at least you can see the proof of concept. 939 01:11:51,374 --> 01:11:54,214 And then they're asking for something to go to the next stage. 940 01:11:54,274 --> 01:11:58,414 I think that's a possibility where Bitcoin for the Arts can step in. 941 01:11:58,474 --> 01:12:00,354 And that can be a milestone-based thing, right? 942 01:12:00,694 --> 01:12:02,094 Here's the first part of your grant. 943 01:12:02,394 --> 01:12:04,994 Get to the stage two that you're saying that you want to get to. 944 01:12:05,394 --> 01:12:05,974 Then we'll see. 945 01:12:07,254 --> 01:12:07,614 Absolutely. 946 01:12:07,614 --> 01:12:13,894 I mean, I think that in that sense, that's the kind of scenario of what I mean 947 01:12:13,894 --> 01:12:15,974 when I say that for that kind of 948 01:12:15,974 --> 01:12:17,994 bigger projects it can be the 949 01:12:17,994 --> 01:12:19,934 kickoff money you know because it's 950 01:12:19,934 --> 01:12:21,934 very important when you go with already some 951 01:12:21,934 --> 01:12:23,834 proof of work stuff and you can go to 952 01:12:23,834 --> 01:12:25,934 pitching sessions and you can have meetings 953 01:12:25,934 --> 01:12:27,914 with streaming companies and 954 01:12:27,914 --> 01:12:29,854 with even big 955 01:12:29,854 --> 01:12:31,654 production houses 956 01:12:31,654 --> 01:12:33,934 if you have something 957 01:12:33,934 --> 01:12:36,154 to show for and you have a proof of concept 958 01:12:36,154 --> 01:12:38,014 then the 959 01:12:38,014 --> 01:12:39,934 conversation is completely different 960 01:12:39,934 --> 01:12:42,034 than when you only have like the 961 01:12:42,034 --> 01:12:49,454 the the a script that you've worked on by yourself uh that you've paid for by doing your fiat work 962 01:12:49,454 --> 01:12:55,574 at the same time if you've done everything else no i think that something that is that that i think 963 01:12:55,574 --> 01:13:01,274 that is very valuable what bitcoin for the arts is bringing is giving not the young always says 964 01:13:01,274 --> 01:13:11,434 that he wants artists to be able to work on that um different uh um time frame no of uh going back 965 01:13:11,434 --> 01:13:16,034 to the concept of having low time preference 966 01:13:16,034 --> 01:13:17,354 or high time preference 967 01:13:17,354 --> 01:13:20,874 and how everything now is for so fast 968 01:13:20,874 --> 01:13:21,854 and fast consumption 969 01:13:21,854 --> 01:13:25,034 and artists aren't able to make a living in many cases 970 01:13:25,034 --> 01:13:29,454 just because of how that time preference is. 971 01:13:29,654 --> 01:13:33,874 So if suddenly having some donation, 972 01:13:34,154 --> 01:13:35,194 earning some grant, 973 01:13:35,334 --> 01:13:37,014 even if, like you say, 974 01:13:37,214 --> 01:13:39,914 milestones for bigger, longer, 975 01:13:39,914 --> 01:13:48,114 more expensive projects then then maybe it can be a solution to just fragment it or just make 976 01:13:48,114 --> 01:13:54,754 sure that at least that that they always say that when you're doing a film the hardest money to be 977 01:13:54,754 --> 01:14:01,074 able to fund is the first one that gets in the door and the gap funding in the end you know it's 978 01:14:01,074 --> 01:14:08,014 the hardest ones the first one so that you can prove that somebody already believes in you and 979 01:14:08,014 --> 01:14:14,634 the last one so that you can close that gap for those final elements that are just that thing that 980 01:14:14,634 --> 01:14:21,794 are going to take it to the next level you know the last one because you've run out of money uh 981 01:14:21,794 --> 01:14:29,594 trying to finish it exactly right yeah maybe shouldn't have done that nice shot in the french 982 01:14:29,594 --> 01:14:36,174 riviera should have picked a different spot um yeah but the production value of the french 983 01:14:36,174 --> 01:14:42,134 trivia you know i'm sure that there are some things that in the end really really really make 984 01:14:42,134 --> 01:14:47,374 the difference i think but even for the for example for the project that you were talking 985 01:14:47,374 --> 01:14:52,074 at the beginning of the show and you were saying that you had written another story under a pseudonym 986 01:14:52,074 --> 01:14:57,834 and hopefully for it to be a potential you know kind of netflix kind of project and kind of film 987 01:14:57,834 --> 01:15:05,054 ideally it's something where um i really believe in this concept you know of uh how alex gladstein 988 01:15:05,054 --> 01:15:11,274 usually is always the analogy of the Trojan horse affecting stories that doesn't look like Bitcoin, 989 01:15:11,514 --> 01:15:15,034 but there's a Trojan horse there and it's putting you the elements there. 990 01:15:15,334 --> 01:15:23,074 And Bitcoin for the Arts can fund some of these tiny Trojan horses to be on one side funding artists 991 01:15:23,074 --> 01:15:26,214 so that they can see that they can make a living out of Bitcoin. 992 01:15:26,214 --> 01:15:31,474 And on the other side, we just keep putting art pills that touch people emotionally, 993 01:15:31,474 --> 01:15:36,474 that bring them to some of the ideas that has all of us worked up, 994 01:15:36,914 --> 01:15:38,654 then it's win-win, right? 995 01:15:38,854 --> 01:15:43,654 And hopefully these kind of projects can be huge Netflix projects. 996 01:15:44,214 --> 01:15:49,034 I remember I heard an interview on a Nat Brunel show of an actor 997 01:15:49,034 --> 01:15:51,554 that I can't for the life of me remember his name, 998 01:15:51,794 --> 01:15:57,034 but he was a Hollywood actor who had been in the Silicon Valley show, I think. 999 01:15:57,714 --> 01:16:01,214 And he was talking how he wanted to do a heist movie about Bitcoin, 1000 01:16:01,214 --> 01:16:06,214 like a very big budget film of a big heist that had to do with Bitcoin. 1001 01:16:06,574 --> 01:16:07,854 And I just thought it was like, 1002 01:16:08,134 --> 01:16:11,294 it has all the elements of being able to be this, 1003 01:16:11,294 --> 01:16:12,094 this, 1004 01:16:12,274 --> 01:16:12,954 this great, 1005 01:16:13,094 --> 01:16:13,894 you know, 1006 01:16:14,034 --> 01:16:15,534 oceans 11 kind of film, 1007 01:16:15,534 --> 01:16:19,874 but just having that Bitcoin layer and having those elements that even you 1008 01:16:19,874 --> 01:16:21,334 weave into your stories, 1009 01:16:21,434 --> 01:16:24,534 no of the seed phrases and finding the words. 1010 01:16:24,734 --> 01:16:24,894 And, 1011 01:16:24,994 --> 01:16:26,814 and I don't know. 1012 01:16:29,014 --> 01:16:29,834 By the way, 1013 01:16:29,834 --> 01:16:30,834 speaking of heist, 1014 01:16:31,214 --> 01:16:34,034 films on Bitcoin and Spanish language. 1015 01:16:34,254 --> 01:16:35,894 Have you seen Hotel Bitcoin? 1016 01:16:36,974 --> 01:16:39,894 I haven't. I haven't. Should I? 1017 01:16:39,994 --> 01:16:40,734 Have you heard of it? 1018 01:16:41,614 --> 01:16:41,874 No. 1019 01:16:41,894 --> 01:16:42,914 It's an interesting movie. 1020 01:16:43,174 --> 01:16:46,394 I don't think it was made by Bitcoiners, or maybe it was, 1021 01:16:46,494 --> 01:16:48,194 but it's a Spanish language movie. 1022 01:16:48,694 --> 01:16:52,274 And the only reason I know it is I'm on the jury at the Bitcoin Film Fest. 1023 01:16:52,874 --> 01:16:56,114 So I think two years back, it was one of the movies I had to watch. 1024 01:16:56,114 --> 01:17:03,314 it was um it was part of the thing uh i guess part of the lineup there um and it's it's an 1025 01:17:03,314 --> 01:17:09,494 interesting movie uh it's i wouldn't go so far as to call it a heist movie but it's an action 1026 01:17:09,494 --> 01:17:17,814 movie that has a lot to do with with bitcoin yeah where where can one watch it well i'll look i'll 1027 01:17:17,814 --> 01:17:25,994 look it up yeah yeah i think you might have to buy it i don't know i i don't but hotel bitcoin 1028 01:17:25,994 --> 01:17:27,954 in Spanish. It's a Spanish language movie, 1029 01:17:28,114 --> 01:17:28,254 so 1030 01:17:28,254 --> 01:17:31,194 you should be able to find it. 1031 01:17:31,834 --> 01:17:33,754 Okay. Alright. So, 1032 01:17:33,754 --> 01:17:35,714 let's move on to your next song, 1033 01:17:35,814 --> 01:17:37,234 Buttercup. This is 1034 01:17:37,234 --> 01:17:39,734 a band called Epoch Native 1035 01:17:39,734 --> 01:17:41,814 and the 1036 01:17:41,814 --> 01:17:43,114 song is called Lost in Whispers. 1037 01:17:43,434 --> 01:17:45,814 Is this part of your Wavelake 1038 01:17:45,814 --> 01:17:47,834 browsing that led you 1039 01:17:47,834 --> 01:17:49,414 here or is there more? 1040 01:17:49,414 --> 01:17:51,634 It was part of my 1041 01:17:51,634 --> 01:17:53,874 Wavelake browsing 1042 01:17:53,874 --> 01:17:55,714 but this was 1043 01:17:55,714 --> 01:17:57,774 part of when I started to browse 1044 01:17:57,774 --> 01:17:59,794 the top 40 I saw that 1045 01:17:59,794 --> 01:18:01,514 there were like five songs 1046 01:18:01,514 --> 01:18:03,794 in this group and I was like who are 1047 01:18:03,794 --> 01:18:05,834 they so I started to browse them 1048 01:18:05,834 --> 01:18:07,994 because I saw that a lot of their music 1049 01:18:07,994 --> 01:18:09,834 had a lot of 1050 01:18:09,834 --> 01:18:11,594 zaps and they were in the top 40 1051 01:18:11,594 --> 01:18:13,834 and it was like I'm just gonna go down this 1052 01:18:13,834 --> 01:18:15,614 road and see where it leads me so 1053 01:18:15,614 --> 01:18:17,714 I noticed that they had some 1054 01:18:17,714 --> 01:18:20,174 I think it has a very interesting 1055 01:18:20,174 --> 01:18:21,534 mystical sound 1056 01:18:21,534 --> 01:18:27,514 This is Lost in Whispers by Epoch Native 1057 01:18:51,534 --> 01:18:57,654 Soaring through the endless skies 1058 01:18:57,654 --> 01:19:05,854 My spirit's free and forever fly 1059 01:19:05,854 --> 01:19:13,754 An ancient song that's lived so long 1060 01:19:13,754 --> 01:19:22,534 Where everything's good and nothing's wrong 1061 01:19:22,534 --> 01:19:28,874 Stars align, they're on my side 1062 01:19:28,874 --> 01:19:32,854 And I can see no need to hide 1063 01:19:32,854 --> 01:19:36,714 Lost in whispers on the tide 1064 01:19:36,714 --> 01:19:40,554 All is one with no divide 1065 01:19:40,554 --> 01:19:49,014 Stars align, they're on my side and I can see no need to hide 1066 01:19:49,014 --> 01:19:56,474 Lost in whispers on the tide, all is one with no divine 1067 01:20:10,554 --> 01:20:18,214 To roam no more, I am back home 1068 01:20:18,214 --> 01:20:25,634 To grow anew in the gardens lone 1069 01:20:25,634 --> 01:20:33,974 To live in harmony within the high 1070 01:20:33,974 --> 01:20:41,854 It is just the way I live and thrive 1071 01:20:41,854 --> 01:20:48,274 Strolling down near the bay 1072 01:20:48,274 --> 01:20:52,274 Such a wonderful and magical day 1073 01:20:52,274 --> 01:20:55,794 The feeling inside wells up to flow 1074 01:20:55,794 --> 01:20:58,194 A piece falls over me 1075 01:20:58,194 --> 01:21:02,014 I'm all aglow, tired to fade 1076 01:21:02,014 --> 01:21:04,654 Forever flow 1077 01:21:04,654 --> 01:21:09,274 As above it is so below 1078 01:21:09,274 --> 01:21:20,114 Stars align, they're on my side 1079 01:21:20,114 --> 01:21:24,274 And I can see no need to hide 1080 01:21:24,274 --> 01:21:27,954 Lost in whispers on the tide 1081 01:21:27,954 --> 01:21:31,654 All is one with no device 1082 01:21:31,654 --> 01:21:35,914 Stars align there on my side 1083 01:21:35,914 --> 01:21:40,054 And I can see no need to hide 1084 01:21:40,054 --> 01:21:43,474 Lost in whispers on the tide 1085 01:21:43,474 --> 01:21:47,474 All is one with no device 1086 01:21:57,954 --> 01:22:08,254 The astral plane is clear out here 1087 01:22:08,254 --> 01:22:16,294 A new dimension void of fear 1088 01:22:16,294 --> 01:22:24,994 The ancient rite that gives new sight 1089 01:22:24,994 --> 01:22:32,734 That takes away the doubt and fright 1090 01:22:32,734 --> 01:22:38,774 As above, so below 1091 01:22:38,774 --> 01:22:43,234 Eternal tides in ceaseless flow 1092 01:22:43,234 --> 01:22:46,914 Silent vows and the rites acclaim 1093 01:22:46,914 --> 01:22:51,214 It's time to shine, become the flame, become the spark 1094 01:22:51,214 --> 01:22:59,214 Stars align, they're on my side And I can see no need to hide 1095 01:22:59,214 --> 01:23:06,714 Lost in whispers on the tide All is one with no divide 1096 01:23:06,714 --> 01:23:23,884 Stars align they on my side And I can see no need to hide Lost in whispers on the tide All is one and in here I hide 1097 01:23:44,884 --> 01:24:02,844 that was lost in whispers by epoch nation a nice soothing almost hypnotic rhythm there 1098 01:24:02,844 --> 01:24:11,424 i like that yeah i love the floaty vibe and like the combination of their voices and their vocals 1099 01:24:11,424 --> 01:24:15,444 It's just very, very hypnotizing, yeah, how you said. 1100 01:24:16,704 --> 01:24:21,904 I can, again, talking about setting this as a soundtrack to something, 1101 01:24:22,104 --> 01:24:28,444 I can imagine a sort of a floaty ballet dance, 1102 01:24:29,584 --> 01:24:32,704 sort of a dreamlike ballet dance, right, 1103 01:24:32,724 --> 01:24:36,864 a ballerina and dancing in nature, 1104 01:24:36,984 --> 01:24:39,764 almost floating in the air gracefully. 1105 01:24:39,764 --> 01:24:41,984 something like that 1106 01:24:41,984 --> 01:24:45,704 it's a music that is very evocative 1107 01:24:45,704 --> 01:24:47,784 of taking you to a very 1108 01:24:47,784 --> 01:24:48,644 floaty place 1109 01:24:48,644 --> 01:24:50,284 it's really cool 1110 01:24:50,284 --> 01:24:53,984 let's play the next one 1111 01:24:53,984 --> 01:24:55,064 as well 1112 01:24:55,064 --> 01:24:57,484 because we are 1113 01:24:57,484 --> 01:24:59,884 approaching the 90 minute 1114 01:24:59,884 --> 01:25:01,904 mark and we can 1115 01:25:01,904 --> 01:25:03,904 I mean I'm happy to 1116 01:25:03,904 --> 01:25:04,964 make this a 1117 01:25:04,964 --> 01:25:07,064 three hour show but 1118 01:25:07,064 --> 01:25:13,564 But I try to keep it to between the 90 minute and two hour mark. 1119 01:25:14,384 --> 01:25:19,824 This one is actually a favorite of the of this show, at least the artist. 1120 01:25:20,104 --> 01:25:22,144 It's it's by Longhi. 1121 01:25:22,264 --> 01:25:25,704 Have you heard much Longhi or was Longhi a new discovery for you? 1122 01:25:25,904 --> 01:25:36,644 I have to say that I knew of Longhi because I've heard him in many podcast interviews and I've heard about what he's been doing to onboard people into the Valley for Valley. 1123 01:25:36,644 --> 01:25:43,064 ecosystem and I took the opportunity of doing my dive of really going into what he was doing 1124 01:25:43,064 --> 01:25:49,484 and I really loved a lot of the tracks I had like many options out of what I heard but 1125 01:25:49,484 --> 01:25:56,724 I'm still here it's just the one that really spoke to me the most but I I knew of him and 1126 01:25:56,724 --> 01:26:02,384 I just made it a conscious effort of going not even an effort like a conscious choice of 1127 01:26:02,384 --> 01:26:09,004 going to learn more about Longhi since I knew who he was, but I just hadn't really had the 1128 01:26:09,004 --> 01:26:12,804 opportunity to really dive into what he was doing. 1129 01:26:14,924 --> 01:26:21,744 And for those who want to learn more about Longhi, you can listen to Sunday Brunch episode 7, 1130 01:26:21,744 --> 01:26:29,764 where guest host Aaron, Aaron of Essex, had basically a two-hour long interview with Longhi, 1131 01:26:29,764 --> 01:26:32,384 and they were playing his music, talking about his background, 1132 01:26:33,124 --> 01:26:37,184 how he found value for value, his journey into music and so on. 1133 01:26:37,224 --> 01:26:38,064 Fascinating stuff. 1134 01:26:38,744 --> 01:26:40,304 Sunday Brunch, Episode 7. 1135 01:26:40,304 --> 01:26:46,364 But for now, this is I'm Still Here by Longhi. 1136 01:26:59,764 --> 01:27:05,864 I'm waking up early morning 1137 01:27:05,864 --> 01:27:12,644 But you ain't by my side 1138 01:27:12,644 --> 01:27:18,024 Why's this love so torn? 1139 01:27:20,544 --> 01:27:23,424 Going late all night 1140 01:27:23,424 --> 01:27:28,244 I'm still here 1141 01:27:28,244 --> 01:27:33,984 Something's wrong 1142 01:27:33,984 --> 01:27:43,484 I feel like reaching the road 1143 01:27:43,484 --> 01:27:50,524 I think of us in the sun 1144 01:27:50,524 --> 01:27:56,044 Why'd you have to cut me off? 1145 01:27:58,244 --> 01:28:01,244 I hope this gets to you 1146 01:28:01,244 --> 01:28:06,244 Somehow I'm still here 1147 01:28:06,244 --> 01:28:12,244 Something's wrong 1148 01:28:12,244 --> 01:28:22,144 Oh, I know, I know I hurt you so 1149 01:28:22,144 --> 01:28:28,044 You know I won't let go 1150 01:28:28,044 --> 01:28:34,764 I know, I know I want you so 1151 01:28:34,764 --> 01:28:42,144 You know I won't let go 1152 01:28:42,144 --> 01:28:48,144 I will wait for you 1153 01:28:48,144 --> 01:28:54,424 I will wait for you 1154 01:28:54,424 --> 01:29:00,724 I will wait for you 1155 01:29:00,724 --> 01:29:07,724 I will wait for you 1156 01:29:07,724 --> 01:29:17,644 That was I'm Still Here by Longhi. 1157 01:29:17,644 --> 01:29:23,324 What a great choice. Beautiful, longy song, as longy songs tend to be. 1158 01:29:23,844 --> 01:29:32,084 Yeah, I love how he carries the longness of how he carries the words and how his voice breaks. 1159 01:29:32,184 --> 01:29:36,864 I think that it's a very, very beautiful and very powerful way to sing. 1160 01:29:38,904 --> 01:29:41,424 Yeah, for sure. 1161 01:29:41,424 --> 01:29:50,104 So we were talking about Bitcoin for the arts, and I think we focused quite a bit on film. 1162 01:29:51,044 --> 01:29:54,564 That's primarily because I'm a film buff. 1163 01:29:54,664 --> 01:30:01,684 Your background is your fiat background and your, I guess, your passion is film. 1164 01:30:02,084 --> 01:30:10,564 But we should, I mean, Bitcoin for the arts is open to all forms of art, all media, you know, painters. 1165 01:30:10,564 --> 01:30:12,644 it could be murals, right? 1166 01:30:13,764 --> 01:30:18,684 Let's say someone has a crazy idea of painting 1167 01:30:18,684 --> 01:30:19,424 and they get the, 1168 01:30:19,824 --> 01:30:21,564 unfortunately you have to get the permits 1169 01:30:21,564 --> 01:30:22,524 for these types of things. 1170 01:30:22,624 --> 01:30:26,744 But let's say you get a permit from your local authority 1171 01:30:26,744 --> 01:30:29,024 or whatever it is to paint a giant mural 1172 01:30:29,024 --> 01:30:32,424 on a wall in the center of town. 1173 01:30:33,044 --> 01:30:34,204 And you say, you know what? 1174 01:30:34,944 --> 01:30:36,104 I've got the permit. 1175 01:30:36,104 --> 01:30:45,144 I want to subliminally incorporate a Bitcoin message into this mural I'm going to paint. 1176 01:30:45,724 --> 01:30:52,224 But I do need the materials, you know, the paint costs money and whatever the number is, right? 1177 01:30:52,624 --> 01:30:57,984 In theory, they could come to Bitcoin for the Arts and put in an application. 1178 01:30:58,484 --> 01:31:00,944 Then that application would be evaluated. 1179 01:31:00,944 --> 01:31:08,484 It obviously depends on the prior proof of work of the artist 1180 01:31:08,484 --> 01:31:10,024 when it comes to that sort of thing. 1181 01:31:11,564 --> 01:31:15,804 Indeed, but they could absolutely try to get this kind of art. 1182 01:31:17,324 --> 01:31:20,424 Murals in the end, it's great to have that kind of artist 1183 01:31:20,424 --> 01:31:22,904 also want to apply for the arts 1184 01:31:22,904 --> 01:31:26,024 because in the end it's the art that people run into 1185 01:31:26,024 --> 01:31:27,184 when they are in the street. 1186 01:31:28,764 --> 01:31:29,244 Yeah. 1187 01:31:29,244 --> 01:31:35,224 I think a mural is a really cool way of orange pilling. 1188 01:31:35,644 --> 01:31:39,224 Honestly, it's just, you have this subliminal message right there. 1189 01:31:39,604 --> 01:31:41,244 I don't know if I ever told you this. 1190 01:31:42,984 --> 01:31:47,564 I had this idea for, you'll recognize where this is going. 1191 01:31:48,164 --> 01:31:53,304 I had this idea for commissioning 24 murals. 1192 01:31:53,484 --> 01:31:55,284 By the way, I don't have the money to commission anything. 1193 01:31:55,404 --> 01:31:56,704 I'm just saying, right? 1194 01:31:56,704 --> 01:32:02,064 Someone, I would put the idea out and then someone would raise the money to commission it. 1195 01:32:02,504 --> 01:32:16,524 24 murals in different parts of the world, each containing a little something that would then, whoever cracked it, right, would be able to get the money. 1196 01:32:17,204 --> 01:32:24,644 So a bounty hidden around the world, geographically distributed in murals. 1197 01:32:24,644 --> 01:32:30,624 so on the one hand you're orange pilling by having this sort of bitcoin giant bitcoin art 1198 01:32:30,624 --> 01:32:34,424 in 24 different locations in the world and on the other hand you're creating a fun 1199 01:32:34,424 --> 01:32:41,764 global treasure hunt for people you actually have to be there um to i i mean the mural would have to 1200 01:32:41,764 --> 01:32:47,464 be set up in such a way that just taking a photo of it and then sharing it digitally would not be 1201 01:32:47,464 --> 01:32:56,204 enough to to to crack it but i think that would be a very fun even not only just putting the idea 1202 01:32:56,204 --> 01:33:02,524 out there to see if any generous donor wants to do this but also this could be something even i 1203 01:33:02,524 --> 01:33:06,984 think that we can find very playful ways with bitcoin for the arts to just the way that we 1204 01:33:06,984 --> 01:33:13,304 launch grants like imagine if one of the grants was like this is a grant for 24 murals and we're 1205 01:33:13,304 --> 01:33:21,044 going to give grant money to 24 mural artists around the world. And it's all going to be part 1206 01:33:21,044 --> 01:33:26,844 of a concept that the artists are going to be working together, decentralized, but it's all 1207 01:33:26,844 --> 01:33:31,724 going to have with this kind of Easter egg that when we launch it, everyone's going to benefit from 1208 01:33:31,724 --> 01:33:37,884 everyone else's work. And I don't know, I think that the good thing with Bitcoin for the Arts is 1209 01:33:37,884 --> 01:33:41,004 that it allows us to envision creating grants. 1210 01:33:41,304 --> 01:33:49,304 Like I've always admired, Avi, how you marketed and put that Easter egg of a marketing experience 1211 01:33:49,304 --> 01:33:56,504 into your first launch with 24 and having the seed phrase and the scavenger hunt in 1212 01:33:56,504 --> 01:33:56,964 the book. 1213 01:33:56,964 --> 01:34:05,284 And I think that it's a great way to get more people talking as well about these kinds of 1214 01:34:05,284 --> 01:34:05,684 initiatives. 1215 01:34:05,864 --> 01:34:06,484 So why not? 1216 01:34:06,484 --> 01:34:11,564 I mean, yes, maybe somebody is listening to this and wants to fund this grant. 1217 01:34:11,724 --> 01:34:14,424 Please get in touch with Bitcoin for the Arts, if that's you. 1218 01:34:14,904 --> 01:34:18,684 But if not, I'm sure that we can find a way to make it happen at some point. 1219 01:34:19,724 --> 01:34:19,904 Yeah. 1220 01:34:20,084 --> 01:34:21,224 Look, it's a bear market. 1221 01:34:21,504 --> 01:34:22,784 People are getting depressed. 1222 01:34:23,184 --> 01:34:24,224 People are fighting. 1223 01:34:25,184 --> 01:34:27,004 Why not do something fun? 1224 01:34:28,884 --> 01:34:29,364 Precisely. 1225 01:34:29,944 --> 01:34:33,004 What's more fun than a global treasure hunt? 1226 01:34:34,864 --> 01:34:35,344 Yes. 1227 01:34:35,344 --> 01:34:39,064 And you're going to have to collaborate with other people who are in those places. 1228 01:34:39,284 --> 01:34:43,064 Maybe you're going to have to split whatever is the treasure hunt in there. 1229 01:34:43,384 --> 01:34:44,564 Who knows how this goes? 1230 01:34:45,024 --> 01:34:51,544 Because we don't want only people who can afford to travel to the 24 places to be the only ones who can claim the price. 1231 01:34:51,544 --> 01:34:53,664 but I would totally 1232 01:34:53,664 --> 01:34:55,984 date for a kind of grant that goes in this direction 1233 01:34:55,984 --> 01:34:57,484 and that ends with 1234 01:34:57,484 --> 01:34:59,284 24 murals that are like 1235 01:34:59,284 --> 01:35:01,564 tiny orange pills into 1236 01:35:01,564 --> 01:35:02,944 this 1237 01:35:02,944 --> 01:35:05,924 beautiful value for value ecosystem 1238 01:35:05,924 --> 01:35:08,124 yeah 1239 01:35:08,124 --> 01:35:10,124 alright whales 1240 01:35:10,124 --> 01:35:12,264 all the whales who are listening 1241 01:35:12,264 --> 01:35:13,684 either on the live stream 1242 01:35:13,684 --> 01:35:16,464 or to the podcast 1243 01:35:16,464 --> 01:35:18,484 you can reach out to 1244 01:35:18,484 --> 01:35:20,104 Dionne Wilson at BankOnForTheHours 1245 01:35:20,104 --> 01:35:24,984 You can reach out to Buttercup or me as well, since we're all part of Bitcoin for the Arts. 1246 01:35:25,384 --> 01:35:27,584 And let's get this thing going. 1247 01:35:27,884 --> 01:35:28,704 It'll be a fun game. 1248 01:35:29,984 --> 01:35:38,224 So, Buttercup, one other thing I do on the show, if you've heard it before, is obviously the guests play their songs. 1249 01:35:38,884 --> 01:35:42,124 And then the last song is the one I play. 1250 01:35:43,704 --> 01:35:48,604 I try and pick one that's a little different from what the guest has picked. 1251 01:35:50,104 --> 01:35:52,044 I think this one does kind of do it. 1252 01:35:52,044 --> 01:35:53,924 It's not a full-fledged curveball, 1253 01:35:54,224 --> 01:35:57,484 but it is a little different from the ones you picked. 1254 01:35:57,484 --> 01:36:01,524 I came across this band just last week, actually. 1255 01:36:01,904 --> 01:36:05,084 I believe they're out of South Dakota, 1256 01:36:06,144 --> 01:36:10,364 and they're a psychedelic rock band, 1257 01:36:10,424 --> 01:36:12,704 and that immediately got my attention. 1258 01:36:13,924 --> 01:36:15,644 So the band is called Steared. 1259 01:36:15,984 --> 01:36:17,144 I really love their music. 1260 01:36:17,144 --> 01:36:21,164 They have that nice melancholy vibe. 1261 01:36:21,344 --> 01:36:27,104 It's guitar forward in general and interesting chord progressions. 1262 01:36:27,944 --> 01:36:33,804 So I definitely see where the psychedelic rock label is coming from. 1263 01:36:33,884 --> 01:36:37,444 By the way, before I do that, I think it's Dion again, 1264 01:36:37,664 --> 01:36:39,364 Bitcoin for the Arts said, we love it. 1265 01:36:39,964 --> 01:36:41,524 I'm assuming he's talking about it. 1266 01:36:41,584 --> 01:36:45,024 Dion, you're talking about the 24-year-old concept. 1267 01:36:45,024 --> 01:36:46,904 Our 24-year-old scavenger hunt. 1268 01:36:47,144 --> 01:36:50,944 so 1269 01:36:50,944 --> 01:36:53,704 alright so let's listen to my song 1270 01:36:53,704 --> 01:36:54,644 this is 1271 01:36:54,644 --> 01:36:56,584 let's have a listen and discover 1272 01:36:56,584 --> 01:36:59,064 pulling me over 1273 01:36:59,064 --> 01:37:00,904 by stared 1274 01:37:17,144 --> 01:37:23,034 In the mirror pull over now 1275 01:37:38,194 --> 01:38:08,174 guitar solo 1276 01:38:08,194 --> 01:38:10,374 on the dash 1277 01:38:10,374 --> 01:38:12,194 what the hell 1278 01:38:12,194 --> 01:38:13,334 you do 1279 01:38:13,334 --> 01:38:18,354 questions drill like 1280 01:38:18,354 --> 01:38:19,594 bullets 1281 01:38:19,594 --> 01:38:22,414 eyes scan for 1282 01:38:22,414 --> 01:38:23,554 the score 1283 01:38:23,554 --> 01:38:26,094 engine 1284 01:38:26,094 --> 01:38:28,134 ticks down cold 1285 01:38:28,134 --> 01:38:30,274 trapped in this 1286 01:38:30,274 --> 01:38:31,154 chore 1287 01:38:31,154 --> 01:38:34,194 officers 1288 01:38:34,194 --> 01:38:38,074 pulling me 1289 01:38:38,074 --> 01:38:42,014 Over lights burn through the dark 1290 01:38:42,014 --> 01:38:45,814 Officer, what's the charge? 1291 01:38:45,954 --> 01:38:47,874 Pinnin' me to the mark 1292 01:38:47,874 --> 01:38:49,654 No runnin' from the stair 1293 01:38:49,654 --> 01:38:53,054 Truth or lie, pick your part 1294 01:39:08,074 --> 01:39:13,654 Flashlight rips the cap 1295 01:39:13,654 --> 01:39:17,794 Paper shaking grip 1296 01:39:17,794 --> 01:39:22,294 Smell the fear ignite 1297 01:39:22,294 --> 01:39:25,834 Lips tight on the trip 1298 01:39:25,834 --> 01:39:31,694 Radio crackles low 1299 01:39:31,694 --> 01:39:36,274 Back up on the line 1300 01:39:36,274 --> 01:39:44,274 One room switched away from crossing that line 1301 01:39:44,274 --> 01:39:51,274 Officer, pulling me over 1302 01:39:51,274 --> 01:39:54,534 Lights burned through the dark 1303 01:39:54,534 --> 01:39:58,334 Officer, what's the charge? 1304 01:39:58,454 --> 01:40:00,394 Pending me to the mark 1305 01:40:00,394 --> 01:40:02,134 No running from the stair 1306 01:40:02,134 --> 01:40:05,694 Truth or lie, pick your part 1307 01:40:06,274 --> 01:40:23,934 Fuck your ticket book 1308 01:40:23,934 --> 01:40:28,874 Fuck your loaded pen 1309 01:40:28,874 --> 01:40:34,274 I'm the judge of my head 1310 01:40:34,274 --> 01:40:38,314 This ends when I say win 1311 01:40:38,314 --> 01:40:42,214 Push back or break down 1312 01:40:42,214 --> 01:40:47,274 Choose your poison then 1313 01:40:47,274 --> 01:40:59,854 Lights in the mirror 1314 01:40:59,854 --> 01:41:04,674 Pull over 1315 01:41:04,674 --> 01:41:07,654 Over 1316 01:41:29,854 --> 01:41:59,834 We'll be right back. 1317 01:41:59,854 --> 01:42:28,014 That was pulling me over by Steard. 1318 01:42:28,014 --> 01:42:29,454 What do you think, Buttercup? 1319 01:42:29,854 --> 01:42:59,194 I loved it. It's great. It's, you know, the kind of music that really wakes you up in the morning. And I don't know exactly why, but it took me to a mental state. Sometimes I played, you know, a video game that's called Need for Speed, and you just need to speed in the car and get away from the police. I could see myself running away from the police in the car as I was listening to this. It's like, it's a lot of fun. It's very, very, very energetic. Very fun. 1320 01:42:59,194 --> 01:43:06,674 yeah if you're doing movie scene backgrounds again i would have this as a car chase scene 1321 01:43:06,674 --> 01:43:12,494 like you said but not in a not in a regular movie though you know in one of those slightly 1322 01:43:12,494 --> 01:43:18,914 sort of sci-fi surrealist movie where where whoever's being chased if it's a good guy or 1323 01:43:18,914 --> 01:43:24,594 bad guy whoever it is disappears into some kind of time warp and everyone's like what what's 1324 01:43:24,594 --> 01:43:32,474 happening where did he go yeah a very very cool very cool song yeah i i just found out about them 1325 01:43:32,474 --> 01:43:38,374 a week ago uh and they have about five or six songs i think up on um you can find them on fountain 1326 01:43:38,374 --> 01:43:46,454 or wave lake um you know similar vibe sort of that yeah that psychedelic rock you could call it 1327 01:43:46,454 --> 01:43:52,094 so actually before we wrap up 1328 01:43:52,094 --> 01:43:58,434 as a one film person one film buff to an actual film person 1329 01:43:58,434 --> 01:44:05,774 such as yourself who if I if I asked you to name five of 1330 01:44:05,774 --> 01:44:10,074 your favorite directors in no particular order who would they be 1331 01:44:10,074 --> 01:44:16,434 oh favorite directors in no particular order that's a that's a complicated 1332 01:44:16,434 --> 01:44:25,414 question um the thing is that there are like the directors that have been there like for my 1333 01:44:25,414 --> 01:44:30,414 my whole life and that I've loved you know like Robert Zemeckis uh Back to the Future 1334 01:44:30,414 --> 01:44:36,294 that kind of film has been someone who I've always enjoyed but then there are some films that you 1335 01:44:36,294 --> 01:44:42,754 love and then there are others that you just uh that you don't really understand why 1336 01:44:42,754 --> 01:44:45,814 why I guess they had to pay rent 1337 01:44:45,814 --> 01:44:47,894 I 1338 01:44:47,894 --> 01:44:49,774 always loved 1339 01:44:49,774 --> 01:44:51,934 I think that I've loved everything 1340 01:44:51,934 --> 01:44:53,974 that James Cameron has done 1341 01:44:53,974 --> 01:44:55,234 I 1342 01:44:55,234 --> 01:44:57,874 on one side everything that 1343 01:44:57,874 --> 01:44:59,514 had to do with obviously the 1344 01:44:59,514 --> 01:45:01,874 80s and 90s Terminator 1345 01:45:01,874 --> 01:45:03,534 the Abyss but even 1346 01:45:03,534 --> 01:45:06,034 even just watching the 1347 01:45:06,034 --> 01:45:07,874 technical prowess of 1348 01:45:07,874 --> 01:45:09,774 what he's been doing with Avatar 1349 01:45:09,774 --> 01:45:11,214 and with the Avatar saga 1350 01:45:11,214 --> 01:45:24,694 I just think he's a very interesting mind that I would love to talk with for a very long time, for many conversations. 1351 01:45:26,954 --> 01:45:32,874 Then I'm not sure about other directors that I could say. 1352 01:45:32,874 --> 01:45:46,094 I recently, for example, when I think about films that have brought me some spark of, oh, wow, I haven't seen this before. 1353 01:45:46,254 --> 01:45:46,894 It's surprising. 1354 01:45:46,894 --> 01:45:50,134 You know, I think of everything everywhere all at once. 1355 01:45:51,554 --> 01:46:03,694 And suddenly you find the kind of filmmaking that comes from a lot of it, you know, that music, video kind of vibe. 1356 01:46:05,394 --> 01:46:09,714 And even if it's not just director in general, I love animation. 1357 01:46:10,814 --> 01:46:16,454 So I don't know if you saw, for example, there's many different kinds of animation, you know. 1358 01:46:16,894 --> 01:46:21,294 tied these Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse world. 1359 01:46:21,534 --> 01:46:25,074 But then last year, I remember I saw a movie called Flow, 1360 01:46:25,974 --> 01:46:31,574 which is a movie just, you know, with animals and no dialogue 1361 01:46:31,574 --> 01:46:41,374 and just a very powerful, poetic kind of way to talk about, 1362 01:46:41,374 --> 01:46:46,134 you know the the way the world is going with just 1363 01:46:46,134 --> 01:46:55,014 animals experiencing kind of like the end of the world no so i don't know there's i just i feel that 1364 01:46:55,014 --> 01:47:01,654 i had like my favorite directors when i was you know growing up and studying film school and 1365 01:47:01,654 --> 01:47:08,234 and all that and lately it's more less about the the following a specific director and more about 1366 01:47:08,234 --> 01:47:18,014 letting myself be surprised by some of them i don't know how about you what are your your 1367 01:47:18,014 --> 01:47:23,074 directors or kinds of films like i don't know alex garland has surprised me a lot as well 1368 01:47:23,074 --> 01:47:34,954 what am i mean i i i like directors who pay a lot of attention to the human condition and and 1369 01:47:34,954 --> 01:47:38,354 and that they understand their characters 1370 01:47:38,354 --> 01:47:40,734 at a very, very deep level, right? 1371 01:47:40,734 --> 01:47:46,174 And so, it doesn't have to be, you know, normal movie. 1372 01:47:46,314 --> 01:47:48,274 Like David Lynch is a guy who just, 1373 01:47:48,574 --> 01:47:50,474 so his first one comes to mind. 1374 01:47:51,454 --> 01:47:55,474 I think Francois Truffaut was an incredible director 1375 01:47:55,474 --> 01:47:58,974 who's more, I mean, obviously there's Godard and Truffaut, 1376 01:47:59,314 --> 01:48:04,494 right, the two, Godard was, he's interesting, 1377 01:48:04,494 --> 01:48:05,974 but I think he's a nihilist. 1378 01:48:06,534 --> 01:48:07,274 And that was... 1379 01:48:07,274 --> 01:48:07,434 Yes. 1380 01:48:08,954 --> 01:48:11,374 And so that gets a little tricky with Godard. 1381 01:48:11,694 --> 01:48:14,814 But Truffaut, you know how much he cares 1382 01:48:14,814 --> 01:48:16,734 about humanity, right? 1383 01:48:16,754 --> 01:48:17,274 About people. 1384 01:48:17,334 --> 01:48:20,274 And even though he was part of the same new wave 1385 01:48:20,274 --> 01:48:23,334 as Godard, Truffaut's... 1386 01:48:23,334 --> 01:48:25,694 I mean, if you follow that 400 Blows series, 1387 01:48:26,534 --> 01:48:28,814 it's remarkable. 1388 01:48:28,994 --> 01:48:29,434 So there's that. 1389 01:48:29,614 --> 01:48:31,334 There's Federico Fellini is another one. 1390 01:48:31,334 --> 01:48:33,454 just 1391 01:48:33,454 --> 01:48:36,634 you know such a deep understanding 1392 01:48:36,634 --> 01:48:38,694 of himself 1393 01:48:38,694 --> 01:48:39,714 honestly because 1394 01:48:39,714 --> 01:48:42,654 Marcelo Maserani was his muse 1395 01:48:42,654 --> 01:48:43,434 right and he kept 1396 01:48:43,434 --> 01:48:46,234 casting him as himself 1397 01:48:46,234 --> 01:48:50,294 I'm trying to think 1398 01:48:50,294 --> 01:48:51,194 that was what was that 1399 01:48:51,194 --> 01:48:53,254 so it's usually stuff like that 1400 01:48:53,254 --> 01:48:54,514 I do like Tarantino 1401 01:48:54,514 --> 01:48:57,894 if you're talking US directors 1402 01:48:57,894 --> 01:48:59,994 Christopher Nolan 1403 01:48:59,994 --> 01:49:02,134 really interesting 1404 01:49:02,134 --> 01:49:03,514 mind 1405 01:49:03,514 --> 01:49:05,274 especially if you watched 1406 01:49:05,274 --> 01:49:07,234 his earlier movies 1407 01:49:07,234 --> 01:49:09,034 following in Memento 1408 01:49:09,034 --> 01:49:11,414 yeah absolutely 1409 01:49:11,414 --> 01:49:13,174 yeah 1410 01:49:13,174 --> 01:49:15,034 Memento was 1411 01:49:15,034 --> 01:49:16,394 insane 1412 01:49:16,394 --> 01:49:18,234 Memento was insane I know 1413 01:49:18,234 --> 01:49:21,454 yes 1414 01:49:21,454 --> 01:49:22,894 and you can see 1415 01:49:22,894 --> 01:49:25,034 a bit of that in Tenet 1416 01:49:25,034 --> 01:49:27,014 I mean Tenet is also 1417 01:49:27,014 --> 01:49:28,694 insane I don't know if you've seen it 1418 01:49:28,694 --> 01:49:35,254 I haven't I haven't no it's on the list yeah you should I you should no you should absolutely watch 1419 01:49:35,254 --> 01:49:40,894 it I mean it's it's a similar kind of insane as Memento and you can see that with Tenet he was 1420 01:49:40,894 --> 01:49:48,794 like okay I could have done this in Memento so I'm going to do it in Tenet okay yeah nice 1421 01:49:48,794 --> 01:49:55,694 no I think that in in in the sense of well of what you were saying of understanding their 1422 01:49:55,694 --> 01:50:03,454 character and just um you know humanity there is a a director that is called the ruben oslund 1423 01:50:03,454 --> 01:50:11,014 he's a director behind his latest film is the triangle of sadness and he did two previous films 1424 01:50:11,014 --> 01:50:21,474 that are just very very cool uh he he does good satire with interesting characters and and and 1425 01:50:21,474 --> 01:50:23,614 finds, I don't know, comedy 1426 01:50:23,614 --> 01:50:25,854 in dramatic 1427 01:50:25,854 --> 01:50:27,434 situations in a very interesting 1428 01:50:27,434 --> 01:50:29,334 way. More in a 1429 01:50:29,334 --> 01:50:31,094 European director, kind of. 1430 01:50:31,094 --> 01:50:33,094 Mm-hmm. 1431 01:50:34,494 --> 01:50:35,094 Yeah. 1432 01:50:36,534 --> 01:50:38,894 But now there are so many films 1433 01:50:38,894 --> 01:50:40,754 coming out. I mean, it's just 1434 01:50:40,754 --> 01:50:43,054 insane to try to 1435 01:50:43,054 --> 01:50:44,854 keep up with everything 1436 01:50:44,854 --> 01:50:46,294 that comes out. 1437 01:50:46,914 --> 01:50:48,554 Yeah, but not out of Hollywood, though. 1438 01:50:49,334 --> 01:50:51,054 The independent ones are... 1439 01:50:51,054 --> 01:50:54,214 We know there are obviously a lot coming out of Hollywood and it's impossible. 1440 01:50:54,534 --> 01:50:56,714 At this point, Hollywood has become slop, right? 1441 01:50:56,834 --> 01:50:59,254 I mean, you were talking about n-shittification. 1442 01:51:00,014 --> 01:51:06,274 I think the step two of n-shittification is n-slopification, which is happening. 1443 01:51:06,504 --> 01:51:14,984 yeah i feel like the fact that that that so much has to end in the streaming platform i always say 1444 01:51:14,984 --> 01:51:21,704 that that streaming platforms have this incentive with subscribers to stay there to put new content 1445 01:51:21,704 --> 01:51:26,364 up every week and when you need to be put in content up every week then it's very difficult 1446 01:51:26,364 --> 01:51:33,544 that that content can maintain a level of quality and it's more of the fast food of film than 1447 01:51:33,544 --> 01:51:35,324 than really giving 1448 01:51:35,324 --> 01:51:37,724 giving things the time that 1449 01:51:37,724 --> 01:51:40,004 they really need to have in order to 1450 01:51:40,004 --> 01:51:41,464 really mature 1451 01:51:41,464 --> 01:51:44,284 and bring out the 1452 01:51:44,284 --> 01:51:46,044 the really 1453 01:51:46,044 --> 01:51:47,904 outstanding stuff that 1454 01:51:47,904 --> 01:51:49,484 comes from reworking 1455 01:51:49,484 --> 01:51:51,824 and having time to go over the 1456 01:51:51,824 --> 01:51:52,924 stories that you want to tell 1457 01:51:52,924 --> 01:51:54,484 yeah 1458 01:51:54,484 --> 01:51:57,544 for sure, alright 1459 01:51:57,544 --> 01:51:59,084 Barakab, anything 1460 01:51:59,084 --> 01:52:01,564 you think we've missed 1461 01:52:01,564 --> 01:52:07,184 today we talked about become for the arts we talked about the bridge your other project on 1462 01:52:07,184 --> 01:52:13,284 so folks if you're listening do follow the bridge really cool account that's uh telling stories 1463 01:52:13,284 --> 01:52:27,754 about freedom tech um and sovereignty and other aspects through animation through through cartoons and so on Very informative So we talked about that Anything you think we missed 1464 01:52:29,074 --> 01:52:32,614 No, I think we went through a lot of it. 1465 01:52:32,734 --> 01:52:37,114 I think that I guess that both of us are here and many of the people who are on the live stream 1466 01:52:37,114 --> 01:52:45,354 and listening to this have been an interest in seeing how this Nostra and value for value ecosystem grows. 1467 01:52:45,354 --> 01:52:56,054 Now I'm also dedicating a lot of time and contributing to a project called Pipe Talk, which has to do with video conferencing and trying to figure out a new way to do video conferencing. 1468 01:52:56,054 --> 01:53:15,514 And I just try to I try to see how I can contribute not being a technical person inside of this space and and trying to I just appreciate you inviting me to have this conversation, because I just think that these conversations are are very worth having, seeing how how we get there. 1469 01:53:15,514 --> 01:53:19,014 What are the frictions that we are encountering? 1470 01:53:19,134 --> 01:53:31,374 How do we make projects and products better so that they drive more people to see the value of the stuff that we are seeing the value for, right? 1471 01:53:33,034 --> 01:53:45,764 Yeah absolutely Well thank you for everything you do for all your contributions to NOSTA and Bitcoin culture And I appreciate you taking the time 1472 01:53:47,144 --> 01:53:49,844 Thank you, Avi. It was great to have this conversation. 1473 01:53:49,844 --> 01:54:01,604 Absolutely. 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