The noise of the week is behind us.
The feed is off.
The record is spinning.
It's time to stop interviewing and start listening.
Welcome to Sunday Brunch.
Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening, you enthusiastic explorers of electronic enlightenment.
Welcome to the fifth serving of Sunday Brunch.
and today is, you guessed it, Sunday.
It is the 8th of February and very much brunch time on the east coast of the United States,
which can only mean one thing, your favorite music on the lightning-laced airwaves.
Now settle in. This is not your regular podcast.
I don't have any questions prepared.
I don't have a sermon and I won't be asking our guest about how fiat culture is being puppeteered
by shape-shifting lizards.
There's just a table, some coffee, and a record player.
The guest is the DJ here.
And because there is no corporate sponsor in the booth,
you are the ones keeping the coffee pot full.
This is a Valley for Valley production.
I don't run ads.
This show runs on Vibe.
If you enjoyed the selection today,
you can throw some sats in the digital tip jar
by boosting on Fountain,
or zapping on Noster.
Here is the house rule.
When the needle drops, the sets follow.
90% of everything you stream during a song
goes directly to the artist.
You're tipping the band.
When the music fades and we're just chatting,
you're buying a round for me and the guest.
And my guest today is an actual DJ,
not a pretend one like me.
My good friend DJ Valerie is here and she's brought her own playlist with her.
We're going to spin some tracks.
We're going to talk about whatever emerges in the silences between the music
and give everyone listening a chance to enter this decompression chamber after a long week.
So, don't be shy with that all on days.
DJ Valerie, welcome to Sunday Brunch.
Hey, aloha, Avi. Aloha, everybody.
happy sunday thanks for having me and uh yeah dude i'm stoked i loved your your intro smooth jazz
let's chill i some of the music i picked from the value for value artist is not smooth jazz so
hopefully that's okay it might well be val that the the shoes on the other foot because uh what
i've typically been doing with the shows that i tell the guests it's a brunch show so they show up
with a diligently curated brunch playlist.
And then they have five songs typically.
And then I have mine, which is a curveball.
So I do have a curveball,
but it sounds like you've come
with some surprises of your own.
I've got some curveballs and lightning rods
and heart openers and all sorts of good stuff.
It's going to be fun.
Awesome.
But how have you been, Val?
I think you were on the flagship,
as I call it, Plep Chain Radio,
which is typically the Friday show, what is it, almost two years ago now.
I think it was right before.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's been a minute.
Yeah, how is everything going?
Like you guys are crushing it over here in Valueverse and Noster and Plugchain Radio.
Like what's been developing for you?
Well, I mean, one of the developments is that starting this year, starting early January,
I spun this into a network.
So there's the main show, which I do on Fridays.
And then there's Sunday Brunch.
And then I have a more technical show called Say What.
It's about web of trust.
But really, it's mostly, it scratches my engineer itch.
But this show is definitely culture-focused.
Maybe the Plep Chain Radio main show has become more philosophy, also culture,
but not in the way this is.
this is definitely a more chill music show.
So it's been fun.
It's been fun.
But Val, the last time you came on the show,
it was right before,
you know what, you were doing that thing in the summer.
It was a virtual summit, right?
And it was for Bitcoin, Nosta, Lightning, and artists.
You had a whole series of talks scheduled through the day.
and it was in a sense value for value, right?
You had people zapping and you'd set up the splits,
which two years back were not in as good a shape,
the technology anyway, as it is today.
How was that experience?
Oh man, it was awesome.
It was a lot to do a live summit,
but it was the creator's virtual summit.
So our goal, obviously as you were there
And we really wanted to start bringing different types of artists, creatives into the fold of what is Nostra, what's Bitcoin, what's value for value.
So we had some training, you know, opportunities there and then just people telling their stories about how they were using value for value.
Because, I mean, as you know, Avi, like we're watching the decimation of independent artists.
Right. And there's, you know, a few people.
people who can make some money up at the very, very 0.001% top, but the rest of the artists are
around the world in many, you know, mediums are, it's very challenging to make a living,
you know, cause we're inundated with millions of songs, millions of pieces of content,
millions of videos, millions of articles, millions of poems, millions of books.
And it's like, how do you, how do you stand out when you don't have, you know,
a multi-million dollar marketing machine behind you, you know, to get your, your messages and
stuff out there. And so, you know, what I think is super important for artists to consider and
keep moving forward for all of us is like, what's the community layer of our, our fan bases, you
know, and the people who support us and the patrons who appreciate what we do. And it's, you know,
the value for value model is obviously, um, I think a very important layer of your financial
model as a creative, um, you know, my, all my work, you know, my podcast, my music, the courses
that I create, the experiments and stuff that I do, anything that's digital is all value for value.
I'm working on the 11X love code, which is a, a lifestyle program to, you know, redesign your
life. It's all value for value. And I want people to be able to, you know, have it, enjoy it,
expend, you know, give it to other people so that they can, you know, really create the life of their
dreams with all of these things. And I, you know, I put God at the center and I say, God, love,
universe, spirit. But, you know, to me, the way for all of us artists to think it's like, what
will people pay for now? You know, cause they're so used to getting, you know, Netflix or Spotify
or Audible for, you know, 15 bucks a month and they can have 5 million, you know, tracks, labels.
How do we compete with all of that to get people to enjoy what we have? And to me, it's micro
communities, it's micro fan clubs, it's, you know, meetups, it's all of these ways that like,
we really want to be more engaged as creators with the people who appreciate what we create.
and um and i think that's what's so cool about value for value because you know who your people
are you know you know who zapped you you know who's your highest you know supporter and so
there's all sorts of fun tools out there whether it's through you know francis and those guys are
making the thing for the live events where you can the zap boards and stuff so there's a lot of
really neat tools that i think mainstream creatives don't even have a clue that they exist
you know and so doing that summit was just a little you know effort to try to like okay what
could we do and i think we need a hundred more of them but what i would love to see avi is like
let's get out of the bitcoin echo chamber and hit up all the other mainstream conferences
and festivals you know and get going there because like i think we've all got the message
We've got a bag of tools in our toolkit.
Now let's go deploy them where there's other people who can benefit from them.
Because, you know, the reality is a lot of people are not going to come to a Bitcoin conference.
They're not going to go to a Bitcoin meetup.
They're not going to understand.
So it's like we need to bring Noster and Lightning and Value for Value on Bitcoin to them on their turf, on their terms, in ways that make sense for them and their communities.
So, yeah, that's blah, blah, blah.
No, I completely agree, right?
And we've got to, I don't even want to say dumb it down because that's condescending to the people, like to regular people.
I think we just need to make it so simple.
And this is on some of, you know, folks like us who are storytellers, right, who are evangelists and then people who actually build.
And, hey, we have tools now too, right, with Vibe coding.
We can start building too.
But even the actual technologists themselves who are building tools just to make the user experience so seamless that a regular person who might not be interested in Bitcoin, who just wants to express themselves and find a fair marketplace, right, where they're not taken advantage of by these predatory platforms, they can connect directly and engage with their community and build communities that way.
Just make it easy for them.
And I think we're getting there.
So, you know, you did that virtual summit, I think that was May of 2024, almost two years
ago at this point.
Yeah, it was a minute ago.
But have you found, but honestly, just an honest question here, Val, how much have things
changed from a technology and ease of use standpoint since then?
And how much of it has been for the better?
Great question.
And, you know, when I did that summit, the back end to try to just do any of the lightning splits was very for me.
I'm not a coder.
Ben from I think it was Alan Bits.
He helped me set it up so we could get all the splits going in the wallet.
So anybody would go, you know, donate to the wallet or, you know, zap the wallet.
It would go to all the, you know, the people who are in the panels and the whole event.
And, you know, again, these aren't like major moneymakers, but the whole point is to kind of demonstrate how technology works.
Um, but now we can, you know, I think it's getting a little bit more easy, but still,
I still feel like we haven't made the, the breakthrough to the mainstream to make it
super easy.
Cause every people, even just the minute you say like, and pub and NSEC, they, they're
like, what, what is that?
And what do you mean?
All these digits and numbers.
It's like, I can't just say, you know, purple kitty for my password, you know?
And so, so we have to, you know, and I don't think it's about dumbing anything down. It's really just about meeting people where they're at with the way that they're typically using technology and, you know, making a lot of, you know, when we communicate using analogies so that it makes it less, you know, people aren't as afraid. Right.
And so, you know, we're used to this stuff as Bitcoiners because we're like, okay, yeah, here's a private key and this is, you know, so we're kind of used to this vernacular, but these other new people are not.
So it's kind of like we have to give them, you know, the language that they resonate with in order for it not to feel so foreign.
Right.
And touching and feeling and showing it to them in real time is like, oh, look, you can get sats.
Like, I think one of the, you know, as we know, a lot of, like, I originally got into Bitcoin during COVID because, you know, I'm home.
I got to make some money.
What do I do?
What is this crypto stuff, you know?
And I remember a couple of years prior, a friend of mine took me to a blockchain conference in L.A.
Steve Wozniak was speaking and, you know, and she was just all like, oh, you can make your own token and this and that and that.
And I'm just sort of like, you know, this is bullshit.
right? Like, this is fake, you know, like, who's going to give me money for a VAL token? How,
you know, sorry, that's just, that's lame. And so I didn't know the difference between Bitcoin
and the other 20,000 shit coins out there. At the time, I just assumed it was all the same and just
kind of wrote it off. You know, fast forward to COVID and, you know, Beeple made the $69 million
sale of this NFT And I was like oh what an NFT And you know and oh cool art And what is of stuff So so I started learning about it and you know being a complete noob you know and not having anybody other than the dudes on YouTube Right And um I you know
dove in and was learning and it wasn't until I was listening to Alex Gladstein, you know,
really talking about the human rights uses of Bitcoin. And that's really caught my attention
to like, Oh, this is a totally different thing. And this is sound money. And of course, reading,
you know, Bitcoin standard and all. So it was just this like, kind of,
I had to go into that realm thinking like,
this is going to be great for artists and yay and la la la.
But then realizing like all this other stuff that these are, you know,
these shit coins are just rug pulls and what a disservice to your fan base to
do that to them. You know? And so I was really like, okay,
I just need to, I don't have bandwidth to study 20,000 tokens.
I'm just going to focus on this Bitcoin thing. And I just went full on and it just made so much
sense on so many levels. And from a spiritual perspective, like that sound money has been the
missing ingredient for me because I've always been on this spiritual journey as an explorer
and consciousness seeker and, you know, mental health and mindfulness, psychedelics, the whole
thing. And I could never really wrap my head around the money stuff, even though I've started
successful businesses. It's been just that mental block of like money is bad. Money is evil. It's
the root of all evil, you know, that old code and the old programs from when I grew up. And so
when I started learning that it's not the money that's evil, it's the type of money and it's the
mentality around it, you know? And so it was such a, it was a missing puzzle piece for my,
my picture, you know, and part of this 11 X love method that I teach money is obviously one of the
components. And so it was so important to, to start really getting that and for creatives and
artists and activists and healers, they still have that old program that they're running,
you know? And, and so I think Bitcoin as a tool for, you know, spiritual growth and awakening
is something that's difficult to convey.
But if you get people who are open to having a conversation
and taking time and not just spewing things
and then moving forward,
like people need to have one-on-one connection
and talking about this stuff.
It's confusing and it's overwhelming
and they've lost trust.
So it's like, well, why am I going to trust this crypto chick
or this crypto bro?
I'm like, I'm not a crypto chick.
It's Bitcoin, dude.
But, but, but so I just, I kind of feel like it's until we have like an aha, like, you know,
Jack obviously did the thing with Cash App and we were just talking about this, you know,
before we hit record, Avi, but like Jack Dorsey, if you're listening, please put a zap button on
Tidal and it's not going to demolish and cannibalize your business model for subscriptions.
Like we can just get zaps to the creatives.
And if you want to take your 10%, take your 10%, but get zap buttons on the places where
people already are, you know, like, wouldn't that be phenomenal if everybody put that on
Spotify and Apple and, uh, you know, YouTube and all of it.
I mean, Rumble's trying, but I'm, you know, I don't, I'm not feeling it over there yet.
It's just like, just use lightning.
We don't need Tether and all this other crap, you know.
So to me, it just, it kind of polluted the value prop when they did that.
I mean, what are your thoughts on the whole Rumble thing?
Yeah, look, it's a Tether thing.
I'm a little skeptical.
Let's just say that.
Honestly, I'm doubling down on NOSTA this year, Val.
Yes, it's small, but it's a tight group.
And, you know, just create as much value as possible.
here. It feels, I guess, purer in some sense, right? It's Bitcoin only. It's value for value.
So double down here and just keep making, creating things. And eventually, if people want,
if people want to listen to it or watch it or whatever it might be, they'll come here.
But it takes time. It takes patience. But Val, before we proceed, there's lost on this topic and
other topics to talk about. You have a lot of songs as well. So why don't we listen to your
first song. It's called Keep Asking Questions. And you want to tell us a little bit about this
song? Yeah, this is something, you know, I saw in a meme from after Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
And I didn't agree with Charlie Kirk on everything. Of course, nobody agrees with any human on
everything that would be, you know, unheard of. But I loved, I really got into Charlie Kirk over
the last couple of years, because I really appreciated the long form and the, the, the,
the power of giving people who don't agree with you microphones and, you know, that he would go
to college campuses all over the country and debate kids who would come up and, you know,
bring up all these points that were of concern to them, you know, and it wasn't just like a 30
second here, come and give me something that you're angry about and let's get some clickbait.
Like he would have conversations with these kids for 10, 15, 20 minutes sometimes. And,
and it was, it was remarkable to me because no one else does that. You know, nobody goes to where
the kids are, who are our future, who deserve to be heard. And whether you agree with everything
they think or say or not. It's like having conversations is so important. Like I said
earlier, like the human connection right now, we're starting to see all this disconnection with
media and we don't know who to believe and who to trust. And then the epidemic of loneliness,
right? And so people are literally developing these emotional relationships with their chatbots.
Um, we're seeing suicides happen because of, uh, the chat bots and chat GPTs telling kids
to go kill themselves.
Like what?
And so if we're not face to face with each other, literally face to face, not just even,
you know, through a zoom call or a video or whatever, a text, if you're not in real human
form with each other, so much gets lost energetically.
And, and it's like, you can see like, this person's not my enemy.
They're just a person, you know, and we may disagree, but we can be respectful and cool.
And so it kind of takes away that, you know, the veil, the cloak that we have where certainly, you know, we can get into that hostility over the Internet a lot.
And, oh, it's us versus them and the bad guys and whatever.
And so to me, Charlie Kirk represented what that part of his life to me represented something that I very much believe in, which is, you know, transparent dialogue and communication.
And so when Charlie was murdered, instantly, I knew that this isn't some random loner guy on the roof. Like he got murdered because he was asking questions and he was speaking the truth about stuff. And he was about to expose some things and disassociate himself with some very unsavory people. And they murdered him.
And so keep asking questions was something that I live by.
Like I'm never going to not ask questions and be told to shut up because it doesn't work for your comfort level.
It's like this doesn't add up.
And if something doesn't feel right in your system, you should keep asking questions and keep asking questions until you get the truth.
And what we're seeing right now with the, you know, the limited revelation with the Epstein files and everything, like that's literally like a speck of sand on the beach of what is going on out there.
And so I want people to like spiritually brace yourself and I have to keep doing it every single moment because it's easy to get toppled by the darkness.
It's like we are in a spiritual war right now.
and whatever God you believe in, if you don't believe in God and you believe in the universe
or quantum physics or Buddha or Bob Marley, like focus on whatever you can do to stay
in that love and that heart vibration, because the darkness is, it's like, we're lifting
up the rocks right now and all the worms are squirreling.
They don't like to have that light shown on them.
And so that's what's happening.
And they're taking people out who report the truth.
And so that's what they did to him.
And that's why this song.
And just FYI, I just prompted this. This was made in Suno. So I give all the credit to the machines. But the last song, the last song that we talk about, I'm going to share some really cool, neat stuff that we've been working on there, too. And but yeah, this is just the song that I thought was cool. And I prompted it. And, you know, after a little a couple iterations, this is what I liked. And it's short.
This is Keep Asking Questions by Suno.
So
Thank you.
Conversations vibed by Val in Suno.
And really, Val, it's like a mantra to keep you grounded, right?
Yep.
I like that.
Yeah, and it's just something to like, I think, you know, we are inundated right now with so much stimulus in all these different directions, right?
And I don't believe that our nervous system is evolved enough and equipped enough yet to stay in a grounded state.
That's why we're seeing, you know, such a rise in anxiety and depression and, you know, people on medications for these things because it's like not being able to keep up with the frenetic pace of what's getting thrown at us.
And so to me as a Bitcoiner, I believe that that's by design. And I believe that it's to keep us just activated enough and producing enough taxes and contributing to the Borg, the blob, the Kraken, and just keeping our noses above water so that we can not really fight the system.
and those of us who were lucky enough to have been tapped on the shoulder by the big orange
coin and the spirit of satoshi is it's like a blessing to me and i maybe for you too because
i know you've been creating so much and it's like oh it's like bucky fuller you know his philosophy
it was like you can't you know go from within the system and change you must just design the new
system. And that's what Bitcoiners do is like we build. And, and that's a very hopeful and
empowering feeling. And, you know, when you don't feel like you're empowered, and you feel like this
big giant thing is so big, and you can't even hardly catch a breath. Like, that's what leads
to violence. That's what leads to self destruction. That's what leads to, you know, family and
community destruction, your health gets destroyed. And so Bitcoin to me has been such a lifesaver
because of the community and the people here. Like so many people I've not met in person,
but I feel like I'm very, I'm close to you. Like they could always stay at my house, you know,
like you, you and your wife could always have a place to stay. And so it's this like
network of love, you know, and that's what I like to think about Bitcoin is. And it's the thing that
I think our hearts, our souls have craved, you know, and, but we've been living in this alternate
reality over here in the matrix. And I believe Bitcoin is this beautiful, um, it is, it's beautiful,
but it, it does require work. It's not just because we have this cool utopian idea. It's
like, no, it's going to be challenging and it's going to take time. And, you know, it's going to
be sad to watch the people who don kind of come on the the the journey to continue to suffer And and so that hurts my heart when I see that But it like you can only do so much right
And so just build.
And like how cool is it we can vibe code stuff?
Yeah.
It is cool.
But Val, you know, I want to go back to something you said.
And, you know, we actually touched upon this right before we started recording.
when you talk about a friend or someone you knew
who was really having a hard time with the Epstein revelations
because they weren't Bitcoiners, obviously.
And they were suddenly exposed to something.
The world was shattered in some sense, right?
All of these names in the revelation.
You know, I've been asked, I occasionally get asked by folks,
I get accused actually of spiritual bypassing, right?
Oh, why aren't you dealing with these difficult topics?
Why are you talking about art?
Why are you talking about all of these things?
And I know it can seem like spiritual bypassing,
that you're not addressing the issues like this, right?
And the thing is, this can weigh you down.
And I see a lot of Bitcoiners as well who've seen the light,
but they get so wrapped up in the darkness
that they can't focus on the light anymore,
even though they've seen it.
And it's not an easy balance to strike.
On the one hand, acknowledging everything that's wrong
with the fiat world, with the matrix, right?
And then saying, what is the constructive thing I can do?
The Buckminster Fuller way,
which is build that parallel city, right?
With the new tools,
not the tools that are contaminated by the old one.
So it's a constant balance of not getting sucked in to that darkness, while at the same time not bypassing it, acknowledging its existence, right?
Because it's very real.
We can't minimize it.
And at the same time, maintaining that positive mindset and the builder mindset.
Is that something you sort of have a challenge with as well?
I think we've spoken before.
it's like I get into these cycles sometimes where it's like, oh my gosh, I have to go down this
rabbit hole and I'll go learn and get, you know, knocked off my center sometimes. And then it's
like, nope, that's, I can't stay there. And I'm, I'm really training myself because it is a practice,
you know, to have awareness of what's going on, spread some of that awareness a little bit here
in there, make some sarcastic remarks, cause I love doing that. Um, and, and then also spread
some light cause I love doing that too. Like both things can be true. Um, you know, and I think one
of the things that is the step that has helped me and has saved my life in many ways is, you know,
my connection to, to God, to spirit, to universe. And, um, and instead of thinking that it's this
separate entity and I have to kind of like, you know, I am the light. I'm not just seeing the
light. I am the light. You're the light. We are all the light. And, you know, so I changed my legal
name to Valerie B. Love after my divorce, you know, almost 10 years ago. And it was before I
was a Bitcoiner. So how cool is my middle name is the letter B. But when I changed my name,
I knew like, and I was doing my Kundalini Yoga teacher training and I was sort of in this like,
okay, what's my new identity? Right. And so to me, our identities are, you know,
are the driving force of how we operate in the world. And so if you say, I'm an addict,
I'm a loser, I'm a billionaire, I'm a this, I'm a that, like, it's true because you're
programming your subconscious to be whatever it is you say. And so I was like, well, what do I want
to be? You know, and Ram Dass was my very first spiritual teacher when I was 19. And I read,
you know, remember, be here now. And then the second book he wrote was be love now. And that
was really more focusing on his guru's life, which was Maharaji and which that was his message was
like, be, tell the truth and be kind, you know, and be love. And, um, so I was like, well, what
do I want to be? You know, who am I? I know love. And so I was like, what if be love? And then,
so I have to ask myself in so many times when I start to find the old programs and the code is
running my old code and programming. I'm like, what would love do right now? How would love feel?
How would love show up? What would it feel like if I were love right now? And my whole vibration
can change and my whole demeanor. And it's something I sometimes have to do five times a day.
And it's sometimes I have to do it 5,000 times a day because so many things are coming at me and I
have to keep like being like Wonder Woman with those bracelets, like pew, pew, like getting the
the shit off me. So, but it's like, it's not, I think this is where I think a lot of people miss,
I do psychedelic integration with people and work with folks on a long term basis. Cause a lot of
times people will go have their ayahuasca or whatever, you know, I did acid and mushrooms
or Ibogaine or whatever, and DMT. And, you know, they think like, yeah, I'm going to have this,
you know, talk with the shaman before and do my experience and maybe have one or two calls after.
I'm like, no, dude, like this is a life shattering experience.
And it takes a lot of time to reorient yourself.
If you want to have like sticky lasting results with your consciousness shift, it requires
you developing a new daily perspective with that consciousness.
So because I'm saying that because earlier you said something like a lot of people have
seen the light, but then they get stuck and go fall backwards.
And so I've been there.
I've fallen backwards so many times.
I can't even count.
and sometimes I pick myself up and sometimes I'm down there face down in the mud for quite a while
I'm like fuck help someone I've fallen in I can't get up but um you know it's it's it takes a village
and that's why I think having a beautiful community of people who you trust to call you out and just
be like yo what's up man I see you're kind of over there hanging out in the mud pit again Val
like let's get over here reel it in and so i think that's going to be how we continue to develop
nostr and bitcoin and lightning so that it's more personal you know and so i'm hoping to see a lot
more of that and i'm really excited with what you know soapbox and shakespeare are doing um you know
so it's funny because my dj band you know group was valerie and the vibe tribe and my dj name was
Valerie the vibe goddess so it's kind of funny now that I'm vibe songing and vibe coding and all
this so it's like serendipitous I'm so stoked yeah it is a fun time uh playing tinkering around
with these uh vibe coding tools I actually uh might as well let the live stream audience
in on a bit of a secret uh not much of a secret my x account is basically 90 percent
an open claw bot.
I've given it my API credentials
and I trained it on my,
on the X algorithm and on my stuff.
And it's just posting, you know,
a couple of times a day,
just post some random stuff on it.
Because why not?
It's X.
I don't care actually.
But I think, how do you like talk to the audience
as they're, you know, whoever's listening right now?
Because I'm still, you know,
I notice obviously we have a ton of bots
on Noster. We have a ton of bots everywhere. Some of them are just, you know, ridiculous and some
are, okay, cool. I'm going to post some of, you know, somebody's philosophy. Hold on. Excuse me.
Thank you. How, how do we, again, this is an inundation of information overload, right? And
obviously we want to have privacy. We want to have, you know, no KYC, all that stuff.
how do we as creatives and builders build so that the user experience is pure to the most degree that
we can make it pure like the web of trust right like i want to learn more about that like how do
i say these are the only this is who i want to follow but then you know yeah can you talk more
about that about web of trust itself uh well just like how how does a web of trust if it does like
how can it help to lead to a more wholesome experience,
a user experience in Nostar?
Oh, yeah.
I'm happy to.
So, you know, the good thing with a lot of these open source web of trust tools
that are coming out is it allows the user to calculate, essentially, right?
You're quantifying trust relationships from your perspective.
so that it's not a central platform saying for uh this is the global view this person has a score
of 100 this person has a score of 50 and and then based on what the numbers we assign to people
uh you as a user get a filtered feed right you you'll see everything that a user with a score
of 100 posts you'll only see half the stuff score a score of 50 posts and we as the platform assign
this. That's not how it works on Noster, especially
with a lot of the new open source tools
that people are developing. It'll be
completely personalized to you, your
interactions
with people on Noster
and then their interactions
with the people they
follow, right? So the
weights get assigned purely
from that perspective, each user's
perspective. So you will see
so
you can have, and anyone can
build these algorithms right so you can create an algorithm that says you know what let me assign
a certain weight if someone for is following someone that has that gives that person a certain
weight if someone's muted someone it gives them a negative weight if it's someone has reported them
as a bot or whatever that gives them a much higher negative weight right so uh and and all of these
weights come from a individual's perspective not assigned by a platform these are personalized
scores. So based on that, you get to see and filter and curate content that way. I think it'll
make a lot more sense once these tools roll out for use, and it's going to happen sometime this
year. Amethyst rolled out a very early stage version of it, where you can filter your DMs based
on trust scores.
And these trust scores are,
you can choose a provider
who calculates these.
Amethyst doesn't impose any of this.
It just says,
hey, you pick your provider,
you pick your algorithm,
all we're going to do
is display the score
based on how you've chosen
to get these calculated.
And then if you get a DM
or a reply from some random person
with a score of like 50
calculated from your perspective,
then you're like,
I don't know who this person is. I'm not going to bother. Probably a bot.
So you'll see more and more of these roll out over the next five, six months, Val, and it'll make a lot more sense.
It'll make a lot more sense for curating music as well.
But I guess my question to Avi, and this is what I've noticed on any platform, right?
And certainly on X. But, you know, if there's like a bot swarm out there, right?
Now we're seeing obviously a thing with OpenClaw and, you know, these like we've seen the bot farms, right?
The images of what bot farms look like in, you know, different parts of the world.
And so, again, like you could have a whole bot swarm that is just, OK, we're going to keep, you know, blocking or reporting a certain actually legitimate profile because we don't believe in what they're saying or they're trying to attack this cause or blah, blah, blah.
whatever the thing might be right and so we've seen that can happen so it's like how do we
again and so i'm not for like oh show me your driver's license and id i don't want to see any
of that crap but how do we know somehow over time that it's not just a bunch of bots you know
having a strategic attack on a certain profile yeah so this is a far meatier uh topic well we
you spent hours talking about it but real quick on the on the bots themselves right if a bot has
just spun up from nowhere it'll have a score of zero from your perspective right because you have
zero association with it the only time that bot will have a score or a weight so that its actions
actually reflect your reality will be if someone in your trusted circle is interacting with that
bot in a positive way and positive interactions are typically zaps or they're following them
but why would someone you trust follow a bad actor bot right the odds of that are incredibly low
so if you can have a bot swarm and they can do they can start muting people reporting and all of
that it'll have zero impact on your perspective because their actions carry zero weight well but
and again i'm just from adversarial thinking perspective like if i were a bad guy i might
I want to pretend I a good guy for quite a while so that I can get my trust score up And then I turn into the bad guy And then I have a whole bunch of bots like me and then the bots get better trust scores and then they go wreak havoc
like the little gremlins. They can but at some point that behavior fairly soon will be noticed
and then they'll start getting reported or whatever they'll have some negative engagement
and that'll collapse their score over a fairly short period but yes look this is a complicated
to topic, Val.
We're here to talk about music.
And I think the next one's going to lift the mood up
just by looking at the name.
It will lift the mood up for sure.
It's super fun and cute. I like it.
Awesome. It's called Disco Swag
and it's by The Doorfuls.
Awesome.
I can't respire on you
When you just do what you wanna do
You're free, like a wannabe
Tapped into your energy
I can feel you spark from across the room
And I never make the first move
But it's different with you
Out here on my own, won't you dance with me?
Pips 100, prove you'd be a shot
Come on, take my hand, won't you set me free?
Show me all the moves you got
Wrap my hands around your waist
Lips so close that I can taste
Show me what I need to do
Show me what you do
Feel the beat inside, take me for a ride
Show me what I miss before I mess with you
So move with me slow
It'll take you where you want to go
Out here on my own, won't you dance with me?
Tips 100 prove you'll be a shot
Come on, take my hand, won't you set me free
Show me all the moves you got
Show me what you got girl
I need all my own, would you dance with me?
Hips 100, put me a shot
Come on, take my hand, hold your second feet
Show me all the moves you got
Show me what you got, girl
Show me what you got
Show me what you got, girl
That was Disco Swag by the Dwarfels.
And that did not disappoint, Val.
That was fun.
Who are the Dwarfels?
What is this band?
I don't know.
I'm still learning.
I forget.
Somebody sent me this on Nostar because I was like, you guys send me some value.
You know, who are my value for value artists out there?
and somebody had sent this and I apologize.
I forget who did.
I'm sure I could look it up.
But it's so fun, right?
I'm so glad to see some different styles of artists.
Every song I picked for this playlist is completely different.
So it's kind of fun to just see the variety of talent
that is coming on over here to the purple side,
the purple and the orange side.
For sure.
There are a lot of songs in the Valley for Valley world.
I think several thousand.
I mean, I think hundreds of thousands, actually.
A few thousand artists and maybe 10, 20 songs on average each.
So close to 100,000 songs out there.
You were talking earlier, Avi, just about how do we get more people to use this
and how do we think the interface has been and the user experience?
Like it still has quite a ways to go.
Cause again, we're not dealing with these big, heavily funded companies.
Like, you know, Oscar and Nick over at Fountain are awesome and they're doing the best they
can to like try to create a user experience that is parallel to what we're all used to.
Right.
It's like instant.
We know how stuff is organized, dah, dah, dah.
And then of course let's zap everybody.
So I think it's going to still take some time to get the interfaces up to the, the,
the user experience that we have. Cause like one of the things I like about Spotify and, you know,
I do have Spotify cause I love all, I love their catalog. I love all the suggestions. I love the
playlists. I love how I can make a playlist from a playlist from a playlist. You know, I do not
love their business model, but it's one of those, like, we don't have the catalog over here and I
love music and I'm not going to just not have music in my life yet because of, of this. So,
So I think, you know, we want to bring people over to Noster as much as possible, you know.
And that's why I feel like going to different conferences that are more mainstream and, you know, applying to be a speaker or set up a booth or something so that other artists know what else is possible for them out there would be really, really, I think, one of the next steps for more adoption.
No, for sure.
And I know the Fountain guys, Oscar, Nick, and Dovidas,
they officially launched their music onboarding and all of that
just about a month or so ago.
I know there had been bands putting up their music on Fountain before then,
but they officially launched it very recently.
I think they're getting close to being ready for primetime,
but to your point, Val, it can be easier, right?
And I think I tend to look at the trajectory,
and compared to where we were a year ago,
I think we're in a better place now.
Is it as fast as all of us want?
Probably not.
But it's moving and it seems to be moving in the right direction.
It is.
And I think the vibe coding and what's happening with, I mean, again, I'm not a coder, but I know people who really can get in and use this as a way to elevate their ships, right?
Like they can ship faster when you're able to vibe code stuff.
And so, um, so I think it's really, really cool.
And like what you're doing, you know, with open claw and I don't, I, you know, I've been
waiting, like I got hung up on that for like maybe five or six days when everybody was going
nuts two weeks ago, two weekends ago.
And I was like, fuck yeah, I'm going to do this.
It's going to be so cool.
And then, you know, I was like, Val, you don't know shit about if you install this thing
on your computer and it just eats the whole thing up.
Like just wait for everybody to like, you know, kick the tires a little.
And then, of course, you know, within 48 hours, it's just like it erased my hard drive and, you know, all this stuff.
So I was like, I'm going to just I'm going to sit over here for a minute and be, you know, I'm not the super duper early adopter, but I'm like the second layer of early adopter.
I'm running it in the cloud, Val, in a digital ocean droplet.
Yeah, I did not want to put that on my machine and give it root access.
Well, and it's just like giving it access to.
I mean, obviously we've got, you know, things that people already use like Zapier or other integration.
So, but it just, there's something about like these little agents that, that are just, I don't know what they're going to do.
If, you know, if you give them water kind of thing, are they going to turn into the little monster gremlins?
We'll find out.
But let's, there are a few more songs to get through here, Val.
So let's maybe go to your next one.
It's by a guy, Matt Finlay, who's relatively new to Nostra.
I think he's from, if I'm not mistaken, he's from Australia.
A new entrant into the Nostraverse and the Valley for Value world.
He's been very enthusiastic in supporting a lot of the shows and supporting a lot of the artists.
And I think, did this come up when you asked on Nostra for suggestions?
um you know i i don't know if it was you avi or somebody else but it was i don't know maybe a month
ago when he first got on nostr and someone was like oh you know give this guy follow and and
then i listened to some of his music i was like fuck yeah this is cool um so i thought that was
that was i i gotta i gotta learn more about this cat so i think are we i just want to look at the
playlist here yeah the government is the enemy so yeah that's a great one so let's play government
Your government is your enemy.
I think that's a perfect one.
And it's hard.
So brace yourself, my friends.
It is good.
I'm really glad to see him.
Excellent.
So this is Government.
Your Government is Your Enemy by Matt Finlay.
Yeah.
Think in herds, move in flux
Not the sharpest in the box
This old game, it never stops
This old penny never drops
Choose your colour, kick a box
You're dead easy to have flops
Choose which puppet rips you off
Your government is your enemy
Pay those nurses, pay those docs
To shoot you with those poison shots
And fill your body full of clots
You won't move to join the docks
Abundant plans and endless blocks
To keep their slaves in their box
Ways to steal their bright lives
And your government is your enemy
Your government is your enemy
That you'll never see
Minnow Q, red or blue
A super sucker, green for you
With bodies only, one thing's true
Your government is your enemy
It's a government
Yeah!
That was good.
That was Your Government Is Your Enemy
by Matt Finlay.
Matt, thank you for being a friend of NOSTA,
a friend of Valley for Value,
and just being such an enthusiastic entrant
into this space.
Love the energy you bring.
yeah me too man keep rocking brother and keep keep speaking truth through rhythm and rhymes it's
really really good awesome so val let's talk about a topic i know we were going back and forth a
little bit on nasta one of the things i want to understand is the concept of ip or intellectual
property and copyright around art but maybe specifically music as well um because uh i mean
for several reasons but i had jim costello from phantom power media on the show last week and he
was expressing some concern about how you know these platforms don't or these new tools don't
fully address intellectual property for music, right?
They don't protect it because it's just so open.
I mean, there is no intellectual property protection
out of the box at Nost,
other than saying, I signed this note first, right?
And here's cryptographic proof.
And then even in the broad RSS world,
unclear what kind of copyright protections there are.
But what is your perspective on this?
Because I know there are two sides to it.
a lot of the value for value folks
say look just put it out there
put it out
and you'll get value for it
right
don't worry about things like
IP and copyright
and then there's
The other side, we say, oh, absolutely.
Artists have, we have to protect artists and so on and so forth.
Well, I think you're right.
There are two sides and there's probably more even.
And, you know, we spoke about this at the beginning of the show.
It's like, how do we, with this new technology that continues to evolve on a, you know, second by second basis, that's gobbling up bits and bytes of information.
how do we as creatives like put work out there and not feel like well okay they just gobbled it up
and regurgitated it out into something new and so you know that model of the old model of thinking
that like we're going to have copyright protections on everything and that is it's just it's out the
window as far as i'm concerned you know because even just like playing with suno or mid journey
or anything, you can, you can hack the machine to, to pull in like, um, information and you can say,
cool, I want like an Android Jones, uh, you know, image, right. Or I want, you know, you're not
supposed to say the name of the artist when you're working in Suno, it'll say, you're not supposed to
say this, but you can go hack the thing. You can go rerecord it and tweak it a little and then
upload it. So there's all these hacks and workarounds that people who truly want to go,
I want to take Gainsley Costello's music and do something with it. They're going to do something
with it. And so to me, you're, you're trying to, you know, bail out the Titanic with a thimble.
It's not going to work. And so what could work? Well, that's where I think value for value and
community building come in and live performances come in. And really like getting back into the
mentality, you know, I've been talking about this for years is like in the old days, like the,
really the old days, like you would have patrons that really supported your work and your art
because they believed that you were good. And they're like, cool, here's a place to stay. Come
make your art. I'll do an art gallery for you. The whole thing. Obviously that's, you know,
you're relying on rich patrons. Now what we see obviously is like, holy cow, I can have like
10,000 people, you know, give me a dollar a month. Could you imagine what an artist could do on a
dollar a month from 10,000 people? Like you could support yourself in a, you know, not a fancy
lifestyle, but you could pay for your gear, you could pay for electricity. So it depends on where
in the world as well. In New York City, 10,000 a month, you're probably below the poverty line,
But in Buenos Aires, it's like you're living like a king at that point, right?
Exactly. And it's relative, right?
And so we're competing with technology that, you know, is getting used against us, as we've seen with, you know, Spotify and Apple and Netflix and YouTube, the whole thing.
So it's kind of like we have to build a new way to train our audiences to become part of our tribe, you know.
And, and so it's up to us as artists, not to just sit in our studios and crank out work,
which, you know, the reality of many artists, and I don't know if this is the same for you.
I mean, I obviously used to travel around the world on stages and perform in front of
thousands and thousands of people.
The reality of who I am is I'm a complete introvert and I go out on stage because it's
really fun.
Cause it's like, yeah, I get to dance with all these people and raise their vibration
and I raise mine and woohoo.
Yay, let's party.
But like, I'm not somebody who is like, I'm not Willie Nelson. I'm not 99 years old and going out there on the road again. Like, you know, like, that's a different kind of animal as an artist. Like, he's just like, what the heck, dude? Like, he's such a legend. And he just boggles my mind with, wow.
um and so some artists are stuck in the dilemma i think of the introvert you know on the spectrum
i know i'm on the spectrum somewhere i'm like i'm full fucking spectrum but um
it's like a lot of people are going to struggle because if you don't know how to communicate and
engage with your human audience and get them to open up their you know their lightning wallets or
the real wallets to help you, it's going to be a challenge. And the, the, what we look at in the
old industry, right. And, you know, you need to have an agent, you need to have, you know, a
producer, you need to have a business manager, la la la, the lawyers, the whole teams, like you
don't need any of that stuff. Now, you know, you can do a lot of that stuff yourself if you know
how to do it. But so that's where obviously the Spotify's and all, you know, record labels and
stuff came in because they know that artists are artists. They're not necessarily the best business
people. And so that's why we've seen so many artists get ripped off by the labels. I mean,
look at what happened with Prince, you know, the whole thing. So we're at this place where
if you want to have reach, you're going to put your music up on Spotify and YouTube and all the
stuff. But if you want to have depth and you really want to grow that your thousand true fans,
like Kevin Kelly talks about, like you have to learn how to create that, that micro community.
And, you know, and I've talked about this, this was a couple of years ago, I wanted to create this
like super fan wallet, you know, and, and I, we could probably build it at this point. I don't
know, but you'd still have to have permissions and APIs and stuff. But I wanted to build something
where, um, if you have like, cause the problem with the patron model is in same thing with the
streaming and whatever. Like if I have, let's say, you know, $20 a month content consumption budget,
and I want to stream it to my favorite artists or podcasters or whatever. Well, let's say I caught
a cold and I'm home and all I'm doing is listening to podcasts and music. And in the first two days
of the month, I blew my $20 budget. Now what? Do I not consume content because I want to,
you know, stream or how does that work? And so I was like, can we make something
where we have like the super wallet that is like, you just put your monthly budget in it
and you attach it to all the platforms and services where you consume content,
whether it's a video or an article or a song or a podcast. And then, you know, you can assign like,
okay, videos are going to get, you know, two sats per minute, or they're going to get weighted a
certain way. It wouldn't even be per minute. And then at the end of the month, you look at what
your consumption was on an analytics board and be like, cool, push the button. It goes to every
piece of content that you consumed. So maybe one month, it's like, all your content is like,
wow, that was a lot of content. So they're going to get less per consumption. But then if there's
one month where you're like, I didn't do much, you still these people might get more. So it's
kind of this way that you can protect yourself from a overspending problem, and not limiting
yourself with what you can consume. Like for me, as a creative, I'd be so happy to know that like,
I'm in the lineup of somebody's stuff. And, and I think, you know, that micro friction that Gigi
was talking about with micropayments is, is like, if you have to think about it and every time you
want to boost and zap, you know, I forget half the time I'm listening to a podcast or music in my car
and I'm not going to remember to go back and boost, you know, Matt, who's great song I just
listened to, you know? And so I want the machines to do that for me. And then I want it to be
transparent and I don't want to accidentally go over budget. And so I think we're probably at a
point right now that that could get built, you know, and why not? Like, why wouldn't you want
to have the data of, of like, who's listening? And then you can send your people messages and
thanks for listening to my stuff over on Apple or whatever. I just feel like the, the machines
should do the talking for us and the computation of how to get this value to each other.
But I don't know.
Did I answer any of your questions?
I know I went off on a tangent there.
No, I think that's certainly one approach to it.
There needs to be, you're right, right?
I mean, there are times when, especially when you're driving and you're listening to a podcast
and a song, you're not going to remember to go back and boost it.
Even though you got value out of it while you were driving, you're like, okay, I'm going to remember.
This is great.
I want to send them a nice boost.
And then you get to your destination.
You start chatting about something else and it's gone at that point, right?
And then you move on to the next podcast.
Yeah.
There needs to be some kind of automation there for sure.
Wouldn't that be cool though?
Because it's like maybe your budget is $100 a month for content consumption.
And maybe, you know, so it's like you're really truly paying on a per use basis and it's going to the artist, you know, and it's still if you can build that in a way that doesn't cannibalize the existing subscription models that other, you know, platforms use.
I mean, they're big, they're distribution models.
It's fine.
You know, we don't want it's like people wouldn't have that kind of reach if they didn't exist.
So I'm really happy to see what the guys at Fountain are cooking up, you know.
and hopefully this will be another, I mean, wouldn't it be neat if we had the whole catalogs
of Tidal and Spotify guys over here? You know, like, wow, what a game changer that would be for
the artists. Maybe it's coming. It's just a lot slower than we hope. We'll see. Well,
let's play your next song. It's got an interesting title.
The title is Tatum Turnup, who's a friend of ours.
But it's a song by Man Like Quacks.
So perfect.
And Man Like Quacks is the bomb, you guys.
Make sure you follow Tatum.
Make sure you follow Man Like Quacks.
These guys are the shit.
I love you too.
Awesome.
Tatum Turnup by Man Like Quacks.
Yo, it's Malak Quakes in Tanzania, let's go
Malak, yeah
Yeah, Malak Quakes, Tatum, turn up
Yo, congrats bro, let's get it, yeah
Yo, mama, I made it
Between two ASICs, yo
Tatum got a thousand subs
So out here celebrating
And I'm Nostapleb, verified
Derek Ross, certified
I orange-pilled my barber
Now he's getting zapped worldwide
From Nostarica all the way to Nostania
Nostasia is next
No good making custom gear
And it hasn't been a year
To join Feb 23
I'm a sass millionaire
From just rapping on beats
Dropping songs every week
Zapathon every week
It's midnight in Tanzania
Man I should really be asleep
But I'm back bro
I'm back bro
Come through got your zaps yo
Post a zap mean
And zap zap zap zap yo
Just like that yo
Thursday, Friday, every week
Bring a stack of sats
And some Zapathon memes, yo
Yeah
I'm rappin' for my team
Nostra Plebs, what up, yo
I'm rappin' for the team
Yeah
We rappin' for the team
Nostra Plebs, what up, man
We rappin' for the team
Yo
My life hoop
My life quakes
Nostra Plebs, what up, yo
Take him turn up, turn up
Take him turn up, yeah
Take him turn up, turn up
Take him turn up, yeah
That was Tatum Turn Up by Man Like Quicks.
What is he up to these days?
I'm sure he's a music machine.
He just keeps dropping new tracks left, right and center.
I don't know. I just love it every time I hear him and his heart is made of pure gold and love.
And same with Tatum, super gold and love. So sad Tatum moved. He was here in Colorado and he had to,
he had to skedaddle elsewhere. And I miss you, Tatum, my brother. We got to DJ together
in Las Vegas last year on the roof at the Nostra party.
Oh, nice.
yeah it was awesome like I love being able to like DJ with my friends and not you know and I
got to DJ at another I don't know one of those big old clubs and I didn't know the guy before
or after me fuck he was so good I was like what is your name again and of course I forget
but he was so good but when you get to play music with friends it's the coolest it's so much fun
and you know dancing with your buddies and yeah so thanks open mic for putting that whole big
giant party together and inviting us to play. That was such an honor and such a fun time.
Nice. Yeah, I unfortunately could not make it out to Vegas. And I know Val, you, Open Mic,
Derek Ross and a few others were involved in the Noster booth or the Noster lounge that they had
last year. Yeah, I was just a little helper. I mean, that was all, you know, Derek and Mike and
Tanya and just a bunch of other people were so like you know and Heather and everybody they completely made that happen I just volunteered a couple of sessions And so yeah it was it great man
It's such a cool community of people who just want to see freedom technology flourish, you know, and we're all different.
You know what I mean? And that's what's I think so cool.
And like everybody's invited.
And I think we all have something like a little thumbprint that we can put on the tapestry or the sculpture of it, you know, and I look at that about life, right?
Like to me, I think about life as a divine masterpiece, you know, and we have a hand in it.
You know, the spirit universe, God has a hand in it.
And then all the people and the things around us have a hand in it.
And it's kind of like make your life the most beautiful expression that you can.
You know, why wouldn't we?
And so I think that's just like a neat thing that Bitcoiners just don't ask permission.
We just start doing it like, yeah, fuck yeah, let's go do this thing.
I don't need to check with HR.
For sure.
Are you planning to be at Vegas this year?
I'm not.
This year I'm taking a break from all the travel and the talks and the music and everything.
And I'm focusing on building.
And I want to get back out and do more travel.
Just this year is a big, uh, last year was a really rough year for me.
And I went through a bunch of different stuff.
I'll be posting about it at some point.
And, uh, I'm, I'm on the mend.
Let's put it that way.
Congratulations.
In a very, very great way.
So, so, but yeah, so I'm not going to be doing a whole lot of, a lot of traveling.
I'm definitely in the, the creative zone and the business zone.
I've got to, you know, got to stack some sats here and pay some, pay some electric bills.
bear markets are for building i mean and let's not kid anyone especially ourselves we are in a
bear market now yeah it's definitely it was a i was like are we gonna get down to 58k is the 58k
close and it might happen again it was a little like oh man i gotta start selling some kidneys here
get some money well i'm living off my stats right now it's it's been brutal and i when i get my fiat
job we were over 100k and even then it was a slightly uncomfortable decision i didn't have
enough runway you know i'm not like one of those guys who are like 500 bitcoin like okay that's it
it's let me retire my yacht i was like okay i had to get out of fiat and i was like 100k i can just
squeak through maybe a year if i'm super if i tighten my belt maybe two years and here we are
flirting with 58k again and uh yeah it's been it's like what do i do like become a janitor now
I know. I was talking with Tomer the other day and I was like, dude, I think I'm going to have to put an Uber sign on my car and start driving Uber. But so, okay, can we segue into this last song? I want to talk about the project that we're working on again.
Yeah, absolutely.
Exactly. So talk about that.
Yeah.
Is that cool?
Yeah.
Okay, cool. So I think you were there. I think when we met at Pacific Bitcoin a few years back, it was when the cyber opera was just starting. Remember?
Yeah, I do. Yeah.
Okay. So, so that Pacific Bitcoin, so we, you know, we'd made, so Tomer basically wrote, you know, the legendary treasure of Satoshi Nakamoto. And I was like, you know, and him and I are buddies. And I was like, dude, we need to turn this into a cyber opera. And he was like, well, what the heck is that? And I'm like, I don't know. But what if we made something that like, was, you know, this based on your story? And then it was sort of like a Cirque du Soleil meets Burning Man meets Hamilton meets Tommy, the rock opera.
meets Queen, you know, I'm like, we can make this fusion experience, you know, for people on stages.
Because when I used to do the Vibe Tribe, like Valerie and the Vibe Tribe, we had
performance artists and stilt walkers and aerialists and VJs and video and fire and the
whole thing, right? And I would have different, you know, drummers or flute players or whatever,
you know, whatever the budget was, we would always just blow it out and try to make the stage,
you know, really fun in addition to, of course, great music. So I was like, what if we told this
story, you know, and used a lot of that plus more even, you know, and do something cool.
So he's like, okay, let's do it. And so we started working on the story together.
And then we made the trailer, like Murph, thank you Murph, like made a really cool trailer for us.
And then, you know, I brought it to Pacific Bitcoin, brought it down to El Salvador.
And it was just this cool, like momentum of like, what if we made it this kind of like
open source vibe thing where the story was there, but then we had different musicians
and creatives that can come in and like remix it. And this was before, you know, so it was like
three years ago. So this was before we had all the Suno and the vibe coding and, you know,
mid journey, I think may have been around. I don't even know. It was around actually,
because I made some artwork for it. Yeah. But so we didn't have the push button tools that we have
right now, which we've been using to kind of create a sketch. But so a whole bunch of people
got together, you know, and started doing weekly meetings turned into two, three, four, five,
six times a week. We're meeting, you know, and you know, like Marissa and TJ, Murph, Carla,
all these people, Anonymous, we were putting all this time and love into like, let's build this
story. Like Terrence Michael was helping us with some story development. Just a ton of other people
were helping in the background with like legal and what do we do? And, and we turned it into this,
like, holy cow, this could really be a cool project. And do we take it on stages? Does it go to,
you know, Bonnaroo? Is it going to go to, you know, the different festivals? Or is it more of
like a Broadway thing? Or what are we doing? You know, so it was just this fun, creative
unraveling that we were working on together. And everybody was just, you know, obviously,
We're all just volunteering, putting our time in.
And it really consumed so much of my life and time for months and months and months, right?
And same with everybody else.
And it got to a point where we were in a hardcore bear market.
So I think it was three years ago, was it like 17, 18?
It was something that was ridiculous.
Pacific Bitcoin was when FTX happened, right?
That was the bottom of the bear, wasn't it?
17.
Well, but months later, like in the next year is when we were working on stuff.
And it was, and I think we were, I don't know, we were, I don't know if we were in a bear market.
You were in the early twenties or something around then.
Something.
And so we were just like, no one's going to fund this.
We need to get more money.
We ended up meeting with a trademark copyright lawyer guy or whatever, IP lawyer.
And meeting with the IP lawyer, just basically, it just let the air out of our enthusiasm.
You know, it kind of just killed the vibe. And we were just like, fuck, you know, because he was just, you know, a lawyer. He did what lawyers do, which is kill the vibe. Because it was like, oh, you got to do this and this and this kind of copyright and this, all this shit. And so just that layered on the bear market. And, you know, Tomer and I separately, you know, we were kind of the main people who started on this.
We both had some personal stuff going on. So we needed to go all go take care of our own lives and families and things happening. And so the whole project just kind of got a thumbtack in it, right? Like, we'll come back to this, you guys. Let's see what happens. Well, meanwhile, behind the scenes, Mr. TJ Murphy, rock star that he is and super artist. He's like, fuck that, man. This needs to go on.
So God bless TJ. He decided to do all this watercolor artwork, which was really awesome.
And he made a bunch of poems. And, you know, so the poems started getting converted into songs
because we had like most of the story outline done. We had some ideas of what we wanted to do,
you know, and I started talking to different people about funding. And so many people were
just so discouraging, like, you're not going to make any money doing this. People aren't going to
put money towards it. It needs to be something that they're going to get a return on. And so it
was just this negative after negative after negative. And it was just like, I need a break
mentally. I need to pull back from this for a little bit. And I just always hoped like, okay,
maybe one day when Bitcoin reaches a hundred K or a million, like we'll bring the opera back.
But TJ in the whole time was rocking and rolling and he was just using his beautiful creative
talents and, um, and creating the opera. And so God bless him. He was reached out to Tomer and I
again, and he was just like, look at what I made. And I'm like, fuck yeah, dude, this is awesome.
He made like a print book. He's got, um, uh, you know, just these songs that he started making and
making in Suno, you know, and vibe, vibe composing, I guess we call it now. I don't know what we call
it. So it was just really nice. And I was like, yay, TJ, this is great. So he's like, do you guys
want to start working on this again? And Tomer and I were like, fuck yeah, dude, let's do it.
And what we noticed is the first round of creative process was like, we just opened the doors to
everybody. Okay, everybody come to the meetings, everybody show up. And it was really, really
wonderful to have all that enthusiasm. But in the writer's room, when you're writing and creating,
it's, it's like the kitchen, right? You can't have too many people. And so what's been really,
really nice. So since, I don't know, TJ, like when was, when did we start back with you? Like
November maybe? Um, you know, he'll know, I think he's listening, so he'll know, but, um,
it's just been so nice because it's just been the three of us and the three of us bring completely
unique perspectives to the, the storytelling process. And, you know, so from a creative lens,
It's just been so cool to really drop in with these gentlemen and have fun, like really getting the story pulled out and pulled out and tweaking the words and tweaking the vibe and tweaking the scenes and really just dreaming up what could this story look like?
Because obviously we're embellishing.
We don't know who Satoshi is.
And so we're creating this, you know, experience that we want to deliver and all these different formats, whether it's on screen or on stages or, you know, just music, just video, et cetera, just art.
And so it's been this fun, like it's helped me as an artist, you know, pull out some things that because, you know, when you create sometimes, I don't know about you, Avi, but like if you're just solo creating.
you know, you're in, you have a lot of blind spots as a creative, you know, and you're like,
isn't this great? And people around you will be like, yeah, it's, it's nice. Hey, good. You know,
but when you're really sitting in a, um, in the cauldron of the writer's room and the creative
room with others who aren't afraid to tell you like that idea sucks and you in a nice way, of
course, it really like it forces you to justify your creative positions, you know, and to
me, I love it because it's like, and I'm very much into like, okay, how can I make this
better?
Is this just good enough?
Or am I really pulling out excellence out of myself?
And sometimes it takes the other people to like push you and same thing.
So I think the three of us have been in this really nice flow of, you know, creative expansion.
And we will call out like, yeah, no, no, no, that's got to go on the cutting room floor down there, you know.
And so it's been like really interesting.
And then what's interesting, too, is just, again, the technical skills that we each bring.
um you know tj is a master like organizer so he's got everything like just meticulously project
managed and just it's wonderful he's so good at this and um you know and and tomers got a lot more
um historical wisdom around what happened in bitcoin you know and so what we want to do is
eventually reach out to you know the cyber punks and people who were in bitcoin way before us and
validate like, is this kind of how it went down? You know, so that in addition to the creative
embellishments that we've created, we want to make sure we do have some facts that are,
you know, correct, you know, on the timeline. You know, and then obviously it's just like,
I have stage experience. I have experience with audiences and performance and a feminine
perspective. So it's just been this beautiful, beautiful kaleidoscope working with these guys.
And so it's just really fun to see what's moving forward, you know, and so it's cool.
So what we're going to play, it's a song called Wonder, you know, and TJ wrote it and it was one of his poems that he turned into the songs.
And so, you know, so we're creating this as a three act performance and, you know, all the songs that we had been working on a couple of years ago, TJ just took them and did a bunch of other stuff.
And now we're even adding more, subtracting the whole thing.
So it's just, it's been a really, really nice gift of my heart to get to work on this.
So thank you, TJ.
And thank you, Tomer.
I'm so grateful to do this process with you and everybody else who's participated, you
know, in the past, like, thank you so much.
And I can't wait to like get everybody else reengaged and make this come to life.
And so basically the process has been you know that original work that we did TJ took Soka did a lot of you know work of his own on it Then he started plugging a lot of stuff into Suno and you know using all these cool video tools and art tools to make the music videos
And so, you know, we really, our goal is to have human performers, human singers, human musicians, and really turn this into something that's beautiful on stage. But like right now, what we've been doing is just having a lot of fun playing with AIs. And I haven't played a ton with it, but this is something that I just pushed a couple buttons and prompts and remixed, you know, the song that TJ started with.
Um, so it's called wonder and, you know, we really want to think about this performance
and this experience to be, you know, this cool psychedelic journey mixed with, you know,
technology and the cypher punks and the evil cracking villain and, um, some other surprise
elements that I'm not going to say, but, uh, you'll find out when you guys watch.
so but that's this is wonder and you know this is originally tj's work and again i i give him
mad props and gratitude and same with tomer for writing the original inspiration and then
you know and i give all the credit to god because god gives us this gift of music and love so
there you go so this is this is one of the many many iterations of wonder and we you know if you
know somebody who could sing this and acquire like let us know let's listen to Wanda
The world is full of wonder
There's joy in all I see
I wonder what lies under
These wired forces flowing free
Through energy and patterns
Nature weaves her works
In language and mathematics
We can walk with her and converse
Indistinguishable from magic
Fruit of science and industry
Transarms ourselves from tragedy
Ah-ah!
To be guns of self-sovereignty
Ah-ah!
Nature sings in waves and light
We answer back in sound and sight
A harmony of matter and will unseen, forces moving still
Though our tools are so mighty
Still there's so much left to do
I'll shape the world that might be
And build our strength anew
Indistinguishable from magic
Fruit of science and industry
Transforms ourselves from tragic
To beacons of self-sovereignty
Indistinguishable from magic
Fruits of science and industry
Transforms ourselves from tragic
To beacons of self-sovereignty
That was Wonder by TJ and Val and Tomer and everyone else involved in the cyber opera.
Wow. I can see this, Val, as a Lion King version of Bitcoin or something like that.
It definitely has a real Broadway vibe to it, doesn't it?
Well, it's so funny you said that because we were talking the other day at a Friday meeting
And when there was a different song, you know, Tomer was like, oh, it's like this.
We can make it a Kuno Matata meets this and that.
And, you know, and in this song, Wonder, you know, it's got so many versions of it.
Right. And so I was like, all right, let's, you know, prompt Suno and have it remix the, you know, the song into something that's got more chorus in it that has more of a, you know, a worldly flavor kind of thing.
And so that's kind of what it spit out.
So it's just, it's, it's so much fun to like, kind of, it's like pulling the slot machine.
That's how I look at vibe coding for me.
Cause it's like, you, you know, as I've worked in Ableton and I've done a lot of different
types of music production and I'm not great at it cause I don't have the patience for
the granular, um, NIS that needs to go into like every note needs this, here's the effect.
It needs to be panned left, right, la la la, you know?
So, um, and that's why I'm a DJ and I love getting to be a DJ cause I get to be the,
the tastemaker and the selector of like, okay, this goes with this, this is going to create
this vibe.
Okay.
This is going to create tension.
This is going to make people feel scared.
Give them the relief.
Yay.
Ooh, this makes people feel juicy and yummy, you know?
So, so I'm really, really good at that.
That's like one of my, one of my special gifts.
And so having the AIs come in and do this stuff is, is so cool. Cause it's like, okay, these elements are cool. And, you know, inside of Suno and I haven't done it yet, but you can rip the stems apart so you can have the strings and the vocal and the trumpet and blah, blah, blah, and go, you know, manipulate it in a DAW.
which you know my hope is that you know the way that we've been approaching this is it's a
it's the initial outline in canvas for the and and you know we to um tj wanted to rename this
the cypher opera instead of cyber opera so we're like okay that makes more sense because of the
cypher punks and everything and uh so so now it's the cypher opera but i think it's like it's been
so fun, you know, and, and being able to like, think about the music representing some hope
for the future.
And obviously what you're doing this morning, right, is like doing the Sunday brunch and
trying to highlight all the different artists who are value for value artists and stuff.
So I think we want to get more people on stages.
We want to get more people's voices heard.
We want to see their art.
We want to blend their, their brilliance into something like this, you know, and hopefully
it inspires people to take it. Cause like our goal, you know, we were in, when I was in El
Salvador, originally I was at, um, you know, I showed the trailer at Adopting Bitcoin. And then
we went to this like, um, lightning workshop that was at a kid's school. And, um, and I was so
inspired by these children, you know, and you could just tell like these kids have talent and
like, I want to hear children's voices singing in the opera. I want to hear the future of our
world, you know, cause to me, that's who we're fighting for, you know, and that's why we're
putting all this energy in. We could all just go live our own little small lives and not worry about,
you know, building a future, but like, so creating this, this opera with the children's voices in it
and having, of course, a whole bunch of other stuff. So it's, that's one flavor that you just
heard. Like we want it to have rock and roll components and techno and beautiful, sacred,
you know, psychedelic kind of music we want, you know, so all of these flavors are going to get
somehow expressed through the journey that we want to take people on. And so it, I love
unpredictability when I'm listening to music and I love music that challenges me and, and makes me
want to keep listening. Cause I'm, I'm hooked and like, Whoa, what's going to happen next? You know?
And that's why I love Spongle, Raja Ram and Simon Posford are just two of the best producers, I think, in the world.
And so my dream is to get Simon.
I don't even know if Raja is still producing.
He was on the podcast years ago.
But to get their input of like, how would you design this, you know, or even just you guys remix the whole thing and Spongle-ify it.
And then we're going to have, you know, another artist who's a Bitcoiner who's maybe country, you know, Ainsley will go remix it in an Ainsley way or something, you know.
But what we our goal is to really, really make sure that the foundation of the story is ultra solid, you know, and that continues to unfold each session that we have, you know.
And so that's what we've been working on the last few months.
But TJ has really taken a lot of time to go dive into the AIs and make some really, really neat work, you know, that I think will get built upon when we have the artists and stuff.
So I'm super grateful to get to do this project with these gentlemen and hopefully all the other artists in Bitcoin world.
Love that.
Yeah, certainly something to look forward to, Val.
And sorry, there was one point earlier when I chuckled out loud because I opened Mike in the live chat.
We just said Zapkuna Satata.
It's totally Zapkuna Matata.
Satata.
I love it.
Love you, Mike.
God bless you.
Oh, my God.
It's so fun.
And like, it's like, and that's the funnest part, right?
Because we can take cultural things that we're excited and inspired about and remix them,
right?
And so, you know, I'm hoping that we can continue to support value for value artists and help
artists get comfortable developing their micro communities, those thousand true fans who
will give them $10 a month or whatever, right?
Or if we can get the super fan wallet built, like that would be another way, right?
To help artists.
And so, so I'm just, I'm so hopeful and curious and excited to see what the future holds for
creativity, you know, and self-expression.
Um, it's, it's mind boggling.
It's just so fun to see.
Like I love pushing buttons and seeing what comes out, you know, and, um, and I love having
it fine tuned really nicely as well.
So it's just, it's really fun.
And I think, you know, dive into it.
Don't be afraid.
Everybody, to me, everybody's a creative, you know, if you can
create a business, you're an artist. If you can create food, you're an artist. So it's like,
let your inner artist shine. Absolutely. All right, Val. So we've reached the part of the show
where I get to play my song. And this is usually where I've been throwing a curveball so far. I've
played some symphonic metal. I've played some dissonant prog rock just to make sure the audience
is still awake. And of course they are. But since you've done that already today, Val, I'm going to
do something different i'm actually going to play a song that fits the sunday vibe perfectly it's
upbeat it's melodic it's called piccolo steve by a band called mystical dank but as you listen
you val and everyone else listening in the live stream and whoever was listening to the recording
i want you to ask yourself one question does something feel slightly off not bad off
just uncanny.
Let's see if you can spot the ghost
in the machine.
This is Piccolo Steve
by Mystical Denk.
Piccolo Steve
We get the knees, pursing his lips at the carnage.
Sows lumbar, cringing along, tasting the fruit of the might of the gong.
We don't even know all a human can do.
Look at your soul for an eternal clue.
Wasted away, piling for gold.
Drinking the juice
Selling your soul
Satsang on Jen
Laughing again Takes what she can Loves that exotic phlegm Bongo de Ney twerking away leaving behind what the new world can pay
We don't even know all a human can do.
Look in your soul for an eternal clue.
Wasted away, pining for gold
Drinking the juice, selling your soul
Safety and danger, one and the same
Run from the anger, just to find pain
Many things broken, many things new
Looking for something you already knew
We don't even know all a human can actually do
Look in your soul for a subtle clue
Wasting away, pining for gold
Drinking the juice, selling your soul
That was Piccolo Steve by Mystical Dank. Val, your thoughts?
I love the polka rap klezmer vibe. I remember people would always ask me, like, what kind of
music do you need, Jay? And I would say polka rap. And they were like, what the fuck is that?
I'm like, I made it up.
Yeah, it's my own genre, you know.
But I think this was a fun song.
It was definitely interesting.
What was the hidden thing that you were referring to?
Here's my theory, Val.
I don't think Mystical Denk actually exists.
Ah, okay.
I'm almost certain this is a 99,
I'm 99% certain that this is AI.
I because if you if you listen to maybe it's it's hard to tell on this song there are a few clues
you don't really hear a fret noise the vocalist doesn't take a breath in in a weird place anywhere
right so it's a little too clean and the the beat and the rhythm are just so flawless and perfect
right so you take all of that in and that forms the initial suspicion at least it did for me
and then i went through mystical dank's catalog on wave lake they played rest of their songs and
the voice is different everything's different so it's like there's no way right there's one band
that's producing these perfect songs one after the other different vocalist each time different style
this is almost like yeah whatever this genre was i don't know like spanish polka whatever you want
call it um and yeah so that's my theory i i think this is an ai song and it's it just goes to show
how quickly the space is moving with ai music you were talking about suno
i mean this did it did it strike you that it might be ai when you were listening to it
i i'm at the point right now with listening to some of this song especially like you know the
stuff that uh has i've been listening to with you know tj and then the remixes that i've been just
sort of, you know, minimally playing with, it's like, okay, these could be people, you know, I
mean, there's, there's, there's that. And it's also like, oh, this saccharin could be sugar.
And cause it's sweet, you know, it doesn't mean it's sugar. And so, so there's, this is where I
think, you know, obviously we're going to have more bots, more AI music, more AI art, more all
of it. And, and I think, you know, what humans love is humans. And so this is why having
performances with real people that you can see, and you know, that they're them on the
screen and the stage or whatever is so invaluable, you know, because it's one thing to have a
bot sing a song, you know, and it's trying to sing about heartbreak or it's trying to
sing about pain or it's trying to sing about love or whatever. And you can give it some
words and you can give it some notes to play and you can do all this stuff. There's something
missing when AI is doing this, you know, because it's like, it's not coming from lived experiences.
And I think that's the, yeah, there's no soul, but it's okay. You know, I'm like, okay, that's
good. I listened, same thing with the song I played, the wonder song. It's okay. You know,
but like when you have a choir singing it and you've got a singer, it's going to be a whole
lot different in an orchestra or a band or whatever, like it's going to be a whole different
experience, you know, playing the exact same thing. And so I think artists, I don't want to,
I hope artists don't get super lazy and just spit out AI slop just because they can, you know,
but we're going to, we see that and we're going to see it. And so I feel like Nick from Fountain
told me to listen to the, um, I forget the, the, it's an audio book I'm listening to about the
origins of Spotify. And, um, and it talks about like the Muzak catalog and everything that you
listen to, you know, and then the, so there was all these artists that were, um, had much lower
deals than regular artists on Spotify so that they could pad all the playlists with like cheap
music. And because they made it to sound pretty similar to the other stuff that people actually
liked, what they did was they, they padded their pockets because they weren't really having, um,
you know, like when the playlist came out years ago. So, so to me, that's kind of like a,
you know, wham, bam, thank you, ma'am philosophy of, of the industry that I think is not healthy
for really good art to get created, you know? Um, so it just, you know, it is what it is. We're
going to see this. We're going to see people, you know, you see people writing, you can just tell
like that's AI slop writing. Like that's not a human that wrote that that's chat GPT. Um,
but it's going to get trickier as they, you know, cause you're training your agent, right. To go
post on X, the more information the agents get about us and the more do's and don'ts we tell them,
the better they're going to continue to process bits
you know and replicate us
and so we're in for a
we're just at the beginning Avi I think
and I'm excited but I'm also like what are humans going to do
if the machines can do it so good
yeah I think we're going to be separated by the people
who outsource their agency, intelligence, everything
entirely to AI versus those who use it as a force multiplier
for their existing skills that they have.
You know, one thing on the AI music front,
and I've played around quite a bit
with this other one called Mureka,
which is, you know, you soon know Mureka.
And if you try to make it do vocals
or heavy guitars or drums especially,
it's fairly easy to tell.
The vocals sound too artificial,
even though, I mean, they sound human,
but you can tell.
The drums are too steady, right?
The baseline is too steady.
However, if you can make it do slow,
instrumental, classical music,
and with a little bit of prompting,
I've created a lot of background music
for some of the readouts that I do
and for some of the short videos that I do.
And it's really hard to tell.
And some of these are beautiful classical sounding pieces.
And even if I don't, I'm not a musician.
So if I need music, I either pay someone a lot of money
to use their music or I use
Mureka to create it, right?
But I can see
a world in which some, especially some of these
beautiful classical sounding pieces that Mureka
has created, and artists use that
as a starting point, right?
Oh, right, okay, yeah, yeah. And then they take that
and they can riff off of that
and create something else. So
just like writers,
I mean, a lot of times when I'm stuck
on a topic, I go to
Gemini or Chachibiri and I just
say, hey, give me some ideas for blah, blah, blah.
And it throws a few things at me. It's like, oh, okay, yeah, I actually didn't think about this that way. So I take that and then I write something riffing off of that. So I think to me, that is using AI as a force multiplier versus completely outsourcing your intelligence and your agency.
I agree. And I, and I think again, that this is a, um, younger people, you know, who are growing up
with this in their, their lives as a teenager right now, everything they turn into school
is AI generated. You know, my son a couple of years ago gave me an AI birthday card and I just
looked at him. I was like, you didn't write this, did you? He's like, oh yeah, I totally did. And I'm
I'm like, bullshit, dude. And I'm like, it's okay. Like, it's really nice. Thank you. And
thanks for printing it out and giving it to me. It's, I love it, but it's just the younger
generation I think is going to be at a uniquely different, um, mindset than, than we are,
you know, because we, we grew up with, you know, three channels on the TV and cable where you,
oh boy, we got the HBO. And, you know, so it was like, we were used to just having limited
things around us. The antennas are the wrong angle. The channel's gone.
Totally, right. Hold it right there. Go on the roof and the whole thing. So it's like,
they can't relate to that, you know? So I don't fault anybody for like thinking like, yeah,
of course, why wouldn't I use this? You know, just like right now we use, you know, obviously
We use the internet and now we're all using AI and, and, but the outsourcing of agency
and the outsourcing of thinking and creativity is it's proliferating, you know?
And, and I think it's going to be really weird, you know, once the microchips happen,
that's all I got to say, because they're happening.
I'm not getting one.
I hope my kids don't get one, but their kids will, hands down.
It's no avoiding that next future trip thing.
Think about it.
Look at the huge problem of prescription drug use at colleges and universities with Adderall.
And what's the other one?
Something like Adderall.
And so it's for performance.
You see this in Silicon Valley.
What can I do to, you know, biohack and, you know, stay up for three days straight and code or stay up and do this.
So people are already using the shortcuts, which are absolutely detrimental to your health.
It's meth.
Like these kids are getting addicted to meth.
Like what's his name?
Sam, the bankman fraud was addicted to that shit.
And so, you know, people are taking, they're just programmed to take shortcuts.
And, and I hope, you know, for the sake of just there's everyone's love and souls that we don't totally just turn into, um, idiocracy, you know, and, and have people like just glued to their TVs or just plugged in because they've got their implant in their brain.
And I mean, think about it. If you're a kid, right. Or you're a young man for, you know, I have so much empathy for men. And you have to go out in the world and compete against all these other people, places and things that are way more powerful than you. And somebody says, Hey, I got this little chip. You just got to put it under your, you know, your right temple or your arm or whatever. And it's going to give you access to the entire internet.
at, you know, you can blink your eye and have the answers to everything and you can out
compete your peers and your competitors and you can make a lot of money doing that.
Would you want to do it?
And the kid's sitting there with his fucked up shoes.
He's eating top ramen.
He's hungry.
He's like, yeah, hook me up.
Do you know how many people are going to be getting hooked up?
And so it's just like, of course, they're going to do the shortest of shortcuts.
And now they're slaves to this giant blob.
So it's something to watch out for, especially as parents, you know, and I don't know how to protect my kids from this because they're older now, you know, they don't listen to mommy.
I don't know.
What are your thoughts on that?
Well, not quite a chip, but there was a Bradley Cooper movie from 10 years ago, I think.
It's called Limitless.
Limitless.
Yeah.
Limitless.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Remember that NZT or whatever that thing was?
Hell yeah.
Yeah.
That's exactly what it is.
And it's not a chemical, obviously, but this will be, you know, we're having a small version of that, again, with the kids on the Adderall and everything.
And then they're just, it's so hard to envision a bright future too.
And this is where I, you know, I talk about Bitcoin and mental health a lot, because if
you don't have hope for the future, you know, you get into that apathetic state, right?
And well, I better just do something good for me now because I need to eat today.
So you're not sitting there saying, yeah, I'm going to hodl.
It's like, no, I need to feed the screaming kid here.
I'm going to do whatever I have to.
And so because the fiat system is so messed up, it's creating these short term thinkers because it's a survival mechanism.
It's not their fault. It's not anyone's fault. You know, it's the system.
And so when it continues to get even more messed up, which we see every day, people are going to take more drastic measures to survive.
You know, and sometimes that might be implanting yourself with a chip or taking a drug that you think you can get some superpowers for 36 hours from.
Well, that's why we're building the parallel city, Val, right?
This is the escape hatch.
And maybe if we're successful, well, not maybe, when we're successful,
our children's children won't have to eat bugs and get a chip implant.
And they could just exit as we did.
I want to have a Star Trek future, not a Terminator future.
I think, I don't know, Elon or Peter Diamandis talks about that.
And I think it's up to us, you know, and I mean, I pray for people to stay grounded in love and keep moving forward, you know, but it is scary out there.
It is definitely like the headlines are really making people angry and doing things that aren't in alignment with who they really are as humans.
So, so hopefully some music and some good things and art will inspire them and remind them who they are and why they're here.
that is the plan
yeah that why we chipping away yeah well so well I know we been going close to two hours now so we should wrap up Any last things you want to point people to us
Obviously, you talked about the opera, the cypher opera.
No longer the cyber opera.
It's got an upgrade.
Yeah, it's gotten remixed.
It's going to keep getting remixed.
It's got some more work.
And it's so beautiful.
I'm so grateful to get to participate in this.
And yeah, I mean, we'll have, you know, just follow me on wherever X or Noster at DJ Valerie
be love.
And I'll be posting stuff in the future once we get, you know, we'll probably do a geyser
fund, you know, but we're going to be doing like an art jam, kind of like a, like a hackathon
for artists.
So we want to have different Bitcoin musicians and different Bitcoin artists and video people.
And maybe you're a performer.
So we want to start thinking about kind of casting for the human element of this.
because that's going to be cool. So I'm not sure we were looking at March maybe, but I think we'll
probably kick it down a couple more months. Um, but yeah, I think, you know, stay tuned on, on all
that and just stay love. And, you know, if you guys know anybody who needs help with psychedelic
integration and some coaching, that's what I'm really focusing on right now for my, my business
is, uh, just helping people really who's come out of hell basically and remodel their lives.
And that's something that's very important to me to help people through, you know, from a spiritual lens with these 11 areas.
And of course, Bitcoin is included in there.
So that's one thing I've learned over the last, oh, my God, only 56, like 40, no, 37 years of my work, my spiritual work and personal growth is like things are not connected a lot of times in our lives.
And I think that creates a lot of overwhelm because like your business isn't talking to your kids, isn't talking to your spirit, isn't talking to your health.
And so you're trying to solve for all these problems and they don't take the other parts of your life into consideration.
And so a lot of times, you know, your life is a system.
Obviously, if you're not paying attention to one area, it can bring your whole system down.
And that's happened to me a couple of times in my life.
And and I don't want that to happen to other people.
So that's kind of where my mission is right now is to help people recover from, from really
tough times.
So, so yeah.
And I specifically love working with moms.
You know I work with different people but moms are like my favorite to work with because obviously they don get a lot of support in a lot of ways And I know your wife works with a lot of different wonderful people
So give her a hug for me, will you?
Absolutely.
Yeah, I think it was really fun hanging out in, when was the last time all of us hung out, Val?
I know I might have seen you probably sometime last year, but Madera?
It couldn't have been Madera.
Madera, yeah, it was in Madera.
Oh my God.
But see, that to me, that's where I've got to like rally myself and get myself back there when they do Bitcoin Atlantis too.
That's going to be great.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
But I just can't believe it's almost been two years.
I mean, that was March, actually late February of 2024.
So it's been almost two years.
It's crazy.
Kind of wild.
These two years, literally, like they've been really painful and they've gone by really quick.
So I'm like, yeah, goodbye.
but yeah a lot has happened man so much so I'm looking forward to seeing you again too Avi and
thanks for having me I really really appreciate the time and I'm so glad you're out there spreading
the good vibes and create building the future yeah that's got to do it but by the way Val and
we can chat more about this soon but I just wanted to say it on air as well everything you're doing
I want to put you in touch with this guy, Dion Wilson.
I'm helping him out with Bitcoin for the Arts.
I know you got tagged on a Noster note,
which was unfortunately inarticulately phrased,
the note itself, because it used the word crypto.
I'm involved in that project.
Oh, good.
Okay, yes.
Please put me in touch with him.
Yeah, there's no crypto there.
It must have been some glitch.
There's no crypto there.
He said he was like, my AI wrote it.
And I was like, okay, well, here's a note to stealth.
Okay, cool.
yeah please put me in touch with him that'd be super yeah awesome yeah that'd be great a
collaborator for the opera like how fun he's a broadway guy by the way he and speaking of lion
king he was a dancer on lion king he had no way oh my gosh heck yes okay cool yeah yeah yeah put
me in touch for sure and that will be a nice a nice hello um thank you so much that would be great
awesome um yay well thanks avi yeah of course uh thank you val and thank you to our
live stream audience for listening and for the zaps yeah thanks for zapping the artist you guys
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