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The noise of the week is behind us.

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The feed is off.

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The record is spinning.

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It's time to stop interviewing and start listening.

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Welcome to Sunday Brunch.

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Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening, you enthusiastic explorers of electronic enlightenment.

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Welcome to the fifth serving of Sunday Brunch.

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and today is, you guessed it, Sunday.

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It is the 8th of February and very much brunch time on the east coast of the United States,

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which can only mean one thing, your favorite music on the lightning-laced airwaves.

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Now settle in. This is not your regular podcast.

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I don't have any questions prepared.

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I don't have a sermon and I won't be asking our guest about how fiat culture is being puppeteered

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by shape-shifting lizards.

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There's just a table, some coffee, and a record player.

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The guest is the DJ here.

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And because there is no corporate sponsor in the booth,

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you are the ones keeping the coffee pot full.

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This is a Valley for Valley production.

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I don't run ads.

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This show runs on Vibe.

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If you enjoyed the selection today,

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you can throw some sats in the digital tip jar

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by boosting on Fountain,

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or zapping on Noster.

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Here is the house rule.

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When the needle drops, the sets follow.

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90% of everything you stream during a song

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goes directly to the artist.

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You're tipping the band.

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When the music fades and we're just chatting,

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you're buying a round for me and the guest.

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And my guest today is an actual DJ,

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not a pretend one like me.

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My good friend DJ Valerie is here and she's brought her own playlist with her.

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We're going to spin some tracks.

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We're going to talk about whatever emerges in the silences between the music

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and give everyone listening a chance to enter this decompression chamber after a long week.

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So, don't be shy with that all on days.

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DJ Valerie, welcome to Sunday Brunch.

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Hey, aloha, Avi. Aloha, everybody.

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happy sunday thanks for having me and uh yeah dude i'm stoked i loved your your intro smooth jazz

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let's chill i some of the music i picked from the value for value artist is not smooth jazz so

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hopefully that's okay it might well be val that the the shoes on the other foot because uh what

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i've typically been doing with the shows that i tell the guests it's a brunch show so they show up

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with a diligently curated brunch playlist.

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And then they have five songs typically.

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And then I have mine, which is a curveball.

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So I do have a curveball,

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but it sounds like you've come

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with some surprises of your own.

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I've got some curveballs and lightning rods

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and heart openers and all sorts of good stuff.

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It's going to be fun.

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Awesome.

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But how have you been, Val?

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I think you were on the flagship,

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as I call it, Plep Chain Radio,

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which is typically the Friday show, what is it, almost two years ago now.

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I think it was right before.

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Yeah, it's been a minute.

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Yeah, how is everything going?

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Like you guys are crushing it over here in Valueverse and Noster and Plugchain Radio.

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Like what's been developing for you?

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Well, I mean, one of the developments is that starting this year, starting early January,

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I spun this into a network.

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So there's the main show, which I do on Fridays.

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And then there's Sunday Brunch.

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And then I have a more technical show called Say What.

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It's about web of trust.

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But really, it's mostly, it scratches my engineer itch.

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But this show is definitely culture-focused.

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Maybe the Plep Chain Radio main show has become more philosophy, also culture,

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but not in the way this is.

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this is definitely a more chill music show.

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So it's been fun.

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It's been fun.

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But Val, the last time you came on the show,

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it was right before,

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you know what, you were doing that thing in the summer.

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It was a virtual summit, right?

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And it was for Bitcoin, Nosta, Lightning, and artists.

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You had a whole series of talks scheduled through the day.

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and it was in a sense value for value, right?

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You had people zapping and you'd set up the splits,

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which two years back were not in as good a shape,

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the technology anyway, as it is today.

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How was that experience?

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It was a lot to do a live summit,

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but it was the creator's virtual summit.

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So our goal, obviously as you were there

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And we really wanted to start bringing different types of artists, creatives into the fold of what is Nostra, what's Bitcoin, what's value for value.

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So we had some training, you know, opportunities there and then just people telling their stories about how they were using value for value.

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Because, I mean, as you know, Avi, like we're watching the decimation of independent artists.

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Right. And there's, you know, a few people.

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people who can make some money up at the very, very 0.001% top, but the rest of the artists are

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around the world in many, you know, mediums are, it's very challenging to make a living,

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you know, cause we're inundated with millions of songs, millions of pieces of content,

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millions of videos, millions of articles, millions of poems, millions of books.

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And it's like, how do you, how do you stand out when you don't have, you know,

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a multi-million dollar marketing machine behind you, you know, to get your, your messages and

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stuff out there. And so, you know, what I think is super important for artists to consider and

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keep moving forward for all of us is like, what's the community layer of our, our fan bases, you

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know, and the people who support us and the patrons who appreciate what we do. And it's, you know,

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the value for value model is obviously, um, I think a very important layer of your financial

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model as a creative, um, you know, my, all my work, you know, my podcast, my music, the courses

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that I create, the experiments and stuff that I do, anything that's digital is all value for value.

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I'm working on the 11X love code, which is a, a lifestyle program to, you know, redesign your

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life. It's all value for value. And I want people to be able to, you know, have it, enjoy it,

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expend, you know, give it to other people so that they can, you know, really create the life of their

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dreams with all of these things. And I, you know, I put God at the center and I say, God, love,

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universe, spirit. But, you know, to me, the way for all of us artists to think it's like, what

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will people pay for now? You know, cause they're so used to getting, you know, Netflix or Spotify

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or Audible for, you know, 15 bucks a month and they can have 5 million, you know, tracks, labels.

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How do we compete with all of that to get people to enjoy what we have? And to me, it's micro

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communities, it's micro fan clubs, it's, you know, meetups, it's all of these ways that like,

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we really want to be more engaged as creators with the people who appreciate what we create.

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and um and i think that's what's so cool about value for value because you know who your people

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are you know you know who zapped you you know who's your highest you know supporter and so

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there's all sorts of fun tools out there whether it's through you know francis and those guys are

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making the thing for the live events where you can the zap boards and stuff so there's a lot of

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really neat tools that i think mainstream creatives don't even have a clue that they exist

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you know and so doing that summit was just a little you know effort to try to like okay what

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could we do and i think we need a hundred more of them but what i would love to see avi is like

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let's get out of the bitcoin echo chamber and hit up all the other mainstream conferences

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and festivals you know and get going there because like i think we've all got the message

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We've got a bag of tools in our toolkit.

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Now let's go deploy them where there's other people who can benefit from them.

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Because, you know, the reality is a lot of people are not going to come to a Bitcoin conference.

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They're not going to go to a Bitcoin meetup.

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They're not going to understand.

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So it's like we need to bring Noster and Lightning and Value for Value on Bitcoin to them on their turf, on their terms, in ways that make sense for them and their communities.

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So, yeah, that's blah, blah, blah.

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No, I completely agree, right?

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And we've got to, I don't even want to say dumb it down because that's condescending to the people, like to regular people.

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I think we just need to make it so simple.

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And this is on some of, you know, folks like us who are storytellers, right, who are evangelists and then people who actually build.

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And, hey, we have tools now too, right, with Vibe coding.

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We can start building too.

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But even the actual technologists themselves who are building tools just to make the user experience so seamless that a regular person who might not be interested in Bitcoin, who just wants to express themselves and find a fair marketplace, right, where they're not taken advantage of by these predatory platforms, they can connect directly and engage with their community and build communities that way.

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Just make it easy for them.

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And I think we're getting there.

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So, you know, you did that virtual summit, I think that was May of 2024, almost two years

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ago at this point.

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Yeah, it was a minute ago.

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But have you found, but honestly, just an honest question here, Val, how much have things

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changed from a technology and ease of use standpoint since then?

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And how much of it has been for the better?

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And, you know, when I did that summit, the back end to try to just do any of the lightning splits was very for me.

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I'm not a coder.

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Ben from I think it was Alan Bits.

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He helped me set it up so we could get all the splits going in the wallet.

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So anybody would go, you know, donate to the wallet or, you know, zap the wallet.

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It would go to all the, you know, the people who are in the panels and the whole event.

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And, you know, again, these aren't like major moneymakers, but the whole point is to kind of demonstrate how technology works.

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Um, but now we can, you know, I think it's getting a little bit more easy, but still,

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I still feel like we haven't made the, the breakthrough to the mainstream to make it

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super easy.

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Cause every people, even just the minute you say like, and pub and NSEC, they, they're

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like, what, what is that?

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All these digits and numbers.

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It's like, I can't just say, you know, purple kitty for my password, you know?

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And so, so we have to, you know, and I don't think it's about dumbing anything down. It's really just about meeting people where they're at with the way that they're typically using technology and, you know, making a lot of, you know, when we communicate using analogies so that it makes it less, you know, people aren't as afraid. Right.

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And so, you know, we're used to this stuff as Bitcoiners because we're like, okay, yeah, here's a private key and this is, you know, so we're kind of used to this vernacular, but these other new people are not.

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So it's kind of like we have to give them, you know, the language that they resonate with in order for it not to feel so foreign.

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And touching and feeling and showing it to them in real time is like, oh, look, you can get sats.

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Like, I think one of the, you know, as we know, a lot of, like, I originally got into Bitcoin during COVID because, you know, I'm home.

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I got to make some money.

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What do I do?

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What is this crypto stuff, you know?

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And I remember a couple of years prior, a friend of mine took me to a blockchain conference in L.A.

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Steve Wozniak was speaking and, you know, and she was just all like, oh, you can make your own token and this and that and that.

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And I'm just sort of like, you know, this is bullshit.

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right? Like, this is fake, you know, like, who's going to give me money for a VAL token? How,

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you know, sorry, that's just, that's lame. And so I didn't know the difference between Bitcoin

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and the other 20,000 shit coins out there. At the time, I just assumed it was all the same and just

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kind of wrote it off. You know, fast forward to COVID and, you know, Beeple made the $69 million

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sale of this NFT And I was like oh what an NFT And you know and oh cool art And what is of stuff So so I started learning about it and you know being a complete noob you know and not having anybody other than the dudes on YouTube Right And um I you know

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dove in and was learning and it wasn't until I was listening to Alex Gladstein, you know,

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really talking about the human rights uses of Bitcoin. And that's really caught my attention

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to like, Oh, this is a totally different thing. And this is sound money. And of course, reading,

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you know, Bitcoin standard and all. So it was just this like, kind of,

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I had to go into that realm thinking like,

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this is going to be great for artists and yay and la la la.

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But then realizing like all this other stuff that these are, you know,

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these shit coins are just rug pulls and what a disservice to your fan base to

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do that to them. You know? And so I was really like, okay,

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I just need to, I don't have bandwidth to study 20,000 tokens.

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I'm just going to focus on this Bitcoin thing. And I just went full on and it just made so much

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sense on so many levels. And from a spiritual perspective, like that sound money has been the

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missing ingredient for me because I've always been on this spiritual journey as an explorer

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and consciousness seeker and, you know, mental health and mindfulness, psychedelics, the whole

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thing. And I could never really wrap my head around the money stuff, even though I've started

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successful businesses. It's been just that mental block of like money is bad. Money is evil. It's

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the root of all evil, you know, that old code and the old programs from when I grew up. And so

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when I started learning that it's not the money that's evil, it's the type of money and it's the

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mentality around it, you know? And so it was such a, it was a missing puzzle piece for my,

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my picture, you know, and part of this 11 X love method that I teach money is obviously one of the

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components. And so it was so important to, to start really getting that and for creatives and

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artists and activists and healers, they still have that old program that they're running,

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you know? And, and so I think Bitcoin as a tool for, you know, spiritual growth and awakening

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is something that's difficult to convey.

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But if you get people who are open to having a conversation

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and taking time and not just spewing things

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and then moving forward,

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like people need to have one-on-one connection

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and talking about this stuff.

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It's confusing and it's overwhelming

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and they've lost trust.

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So it's like, well, why am I going to trust this crypto chick

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or this crypto bro?

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I'm like, I'm not a crypto chick.

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It's Bitcoin, dude.

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But, but, but so I just, I kind of feel like it's until we have like an aha, like, you know,

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Jack obviously did the thing with Cash App and we were just talking about this, you know,

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before we hit record, Avi, but like Jack Dorsey, if you're listening, please put a zap button on

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Tidal and it's not going to demolish and cannibalize your business model for subscriptions.

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Like we can just get zaps to the creatives.

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And if you want to take your 10%, take your 10%, but get zap buttons on the places where

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people already are, you know, like, wouldn't that be phenomenal if everybody put that on

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Spotify and Apple and, uh, you know, YouTube and all of it.

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I mean, Rumble's trying, but I'm, you know, I don't, I'm not feeling it over there yet.

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It's just like, just use lightning.

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We don't need Tether and all this other crap, you know.

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So to me, it just, it kind of polluted the value prop when they did that.

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I mean, what are your thoughts on the whole Rumble thing?

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Yeah, look, it's a Tether thing.

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I'm a little skeptical.

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Let's just say that.

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Honestly, I'm doubling down on NOSTA this year, Val.

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Yes, it's small, but it's a tight group.

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And, you know, just create as much value as possible.

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here. It feels, I guess, purer in some sense, right? It's Bitcoin only. It's value for value.

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So double down here and just keep making, creating things. And eventually, if people want,

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if people want to listen to it or watch it or whatever it might be, they'll come here.

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But it takes time. It takes patience. But Val, before we proceed, there's lost on this topic and

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other topics to talk about. You have a lot of songs as well. So why don't we listen to your

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first song. It's called Keep Asking Questions. And you want to tell us a little bit about this

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song? Yeah, this is something, you know, I saw in a meme from after Charlie Kirk was assassinated.

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And I didn't agree with Charlie Kirk on everything. Of course, nobody agrees with any human on

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everything that would be, you know, unheard of. But I loved, I really got into Charlie Kirk over

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the last couple of years, because I really appreciated the long form and the, the, the,

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the power of giving people who don't agree with you microphones and, you know, that he would go

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to college campuses all over the country and debate kids who would come up and, you know,

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bring up all these points that were of concern to them, you know, and it wasn't just like a 30

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second here, come and give me something that you're angry about and let's get some clickbait.

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Like he would have conversations with these kids for 10, 15, 20 minutes sometimes. And,

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and it was, it was remarkable to me because no one else does that. You know, nobody goes to where

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the kids are, who are our future, who deserve to be heard. And whether you agree with everything

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they think or say or not. It's like having conversations is so important. Like I said

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earlier, like the human connection right now, we're starting to see all this disconnection with

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media and we don't know who to believe and who to trust. And then the epidemic of loneliness,

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right? And so people are literally developing these emotional relationships with their chatbots.

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Um, we're seeing suicides happen because of, uh, the chat bots and chat GPTs telling kids

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to go kill themselves.

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Like what?

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And so if we're not face to face with each other, literally face to face, not just even,

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you know, through a zoom call or a video or whatever, a text, if you're not in real human

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form with each other, so much gets lost energetically.

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And, and it's like, you can see like, this person's not my enemy.

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They're just a person, you know, and we may disagree, but we can be respectful and cool.

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And so it kind of takes away that, you know, the veil, the cloak that we have where certainly, you know, we can get into that hostility over the Internet a lot.

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And, oh, it's us versus them and the bad guys and whatever.

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And so to me, Charlie Kirk represented what that part of his life to me represented something that I very much believe in, which is, you know, transparent dialogue and communication.

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And so when Charlie was murdered, instantly, I knew that this isn't some random loner guy on the roof. Like he got murdered because he was asking questions and he was speaking the truth about stuff. And he was about to expose some things and disassociate himself with some very unsavory people. And they murdered him.

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And so keep asking questions was something that I live by.

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Like I'm never going to not ask questions and be told to shut up because it doesn't work for your comfort level.

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It's like this doesn't add up.

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And if something doesn't feel right in your system, you should keep asking questions and keep asking questions until you get the truth.

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And what we're seeing right now with the, you know, the limited revelation with the Epstein files and everything, like that's literally like a speck of sand on the beach of what is going on out there.

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And so I want people to like spiritually brace yourself and I have to keep doing it every single moment because it's easy to get toppled by the darkness.

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It's like we are in a spiritual war right now.

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and whatever God you believe in, if you don't believe in God and you believe in the universe

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or quantum physics or Buddha or Bob Marley, like focus on whatever you can do to stay

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in that love and that heart vibration, because the darkness is, it's like, we're lifting

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up the rocks right now and all the worms are squirreling.

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They don't like to have that light shown on them.

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And so that's what's happening.

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And they're taking people out who report the truth.

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And so that's what they did to him.

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And that's why this song.

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And just FYI, I just prompted this. This was made in Suno. So I give all the credit to the machines. But the last song, the last song that we talk about, I'm going to share some really cool, neat stuff that we've been working on there, too. And but yeah, this is just the song that I thought was cool. And I prompted it. And, you know, after a little a couple iterations, this is what I liked. And it's short.

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This is Keep Asking Questions by Suno.

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Thank you.

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Conversations vibed by Val in Suno.

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And really, Val, it's like a mantra to keep you grounded, right?

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Yep.

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I like that.

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Yeah, and it's just something to like, I think, you know, we are inundated right now with so much stimulus in all these different directions, right?

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And I don't believe that our nervous system is evolved enough and equipped enough yet to stay in a grounded state.

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That's why we're seeing, you know, such a rise in anxiety and depression and, you know, people on medications for these things because it's like not being able to keep up with the frenetic pace of what's getting thrown at us.

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And so to me as a Bitcoiner, I believe that that's by design. And I believe that it's to keep us just activated enough and producing enough taxes and contributing to the Borg, the blob, the Kraken, and just keeping our noses above water so that we can not really fight the system.

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and those of us who were lucky enough to have been tapped on the shoulder by the big orange

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coin and the spirit of satoshi is it's like a blessing to me and i maybe for you too because

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i know you've been creating so much and it's like oh it's like bucky fuller you know his philosophy

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it was like you can't you know go from within the system and change you must just design the new

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system. And that's what Bitcoiners do is like we build. And, and that's a very hopeful and

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empowering feeling. And, you know, when you don't feel like you're empowered, and you feel like this

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big giant thing is so big, and you can't even hardly catch a breath. Like, that's what leads

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to violence. That's what leads to self destruction. That's what leads to, you know, family and

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community destruction, your health gets destroyed. And so Bitcoin to me has been such a lifesaver

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because of the community and the people here. Like so many people I've not met in person,

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but I feel like I'm very, I'm close to you. Like they could always stay at my house, you know,

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like you, you and your wife could always have a place to stay. And so it's this like

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network of love, you know, and that's what I like to think about Bitcoin is. And it's the thing that

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I think our hearts, our souls have craved, you know, and, but we've been living in this alternate

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reality over here in the matrix. And I believe Bitcoin is this beautiful, um, it is, it's beautiful,

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but it, it does require work. It's not just because we have this cool utopian idea. It's

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like, no, it's going to be challenging and it's going to take time. And, you know, it's going to

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be sad to watch the people who don kind of come on the the the journey to continue to suffer And and so that hurts my heart when I see that But it like you can only do so much right

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And so just build.

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And like how cool is it we can vibe code stuff?

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Yeah.

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It is cool.

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But Val, you know, I want to go back to something you said.

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And, you know, we actually touched upon this right before we started recording.

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when you talk about a friend or someone you knew

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who was really having a hard time with the Epstein revelations

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because they weren't Bitcoiners, obviously.

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And they were suddenly exposed to something.

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The world was shattered in some sense, right?

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All of these names in the revelation.

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You know, I've been asked, I occasionally get asked by folks,

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I get accused actually of spiritual bypassing, right?

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Oh, why aren't you dealing with these difficult topics?

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Why are you talking about art?

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Why are you talking about all of these things?

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And I know it can seem like spiritual bypassing,

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that you're not addressing the issues like this, right?

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And the thing is, this can weigh you down.

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And I see a lot of Bitcoiners as well who've seen the light,

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but they get so wrapped up in the darkness

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that they can't focus on the light anymore,

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even though they've seen it.

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And it's not an easy balance to strike.

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On the one hand, acknowledging everything that's wrong

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with the fiat world, with the matrix, right?

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And then saying, what is the constructive thing I can do?

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The Buckminster Fuller way,

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which is build that parallel city, right?

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With the new tools,

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not the tools that are contaminated by the old one.

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So it's a constant balance of not getting sucked in to that darkness, while at the same time not bypassing it, acknowledging its existence, right?

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Because it's very real.

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We can't minimize it.

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And at the same time, maintaining that positive mindset and the builder mindset.

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Is that something you sort of have a challenge with as well?

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I think we've spoken before.

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it's like I get into these cycles sometimes where it's like, oh my gosh, I have to go down this

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rabbit hole and I'll go learn and get, you know, knocked off my center sometimes. And then it's

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like, nope, that's, I can't stay there. And I'm, I'm really training myself because it is a practice,

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you know, to have awareness of what's going on, spread some of that awareness a little bit here

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in there, make some sarcastic remarks, cause I love doing that. Um, and, and then also spread

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some light cause I love doing that too. Like both things can be true. Um, you know, and I think one

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of the things that is the step that has helped me and has saved my life in many ways is, you know,

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my connection to, to God, to spirit, to universe. And, um, and instead of thinking that it's this

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separate entity and I have to kind of like, you know, I am the light. I'm not just seeing the

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light. I am the light. You're the light. We are all the light. And, you know, so I changed my legal

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name to Valerie B. Love after my divorce, you know, almost 10 years ago. And it was before I

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was a Bitcoiner. So how cool is my middle name is the letter B. But when I changed my name,

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I knew like, and I was doing my Kundalini Yoga teacher training and I was sort of in this like,

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okay, what's my new identity? Right. And so to me, our identities are, you know,

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are the driving force of how we operate in the world. And so if you say, I'm an addict,

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I'm a loser, I'm a billionaire, I'm a this, I'm a that, like, it's true because you're

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programming your subconscious to be whatever it is you say. And so I was like, well, what do I want

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to be? You know, and Ram Dass was my very first spiritual teacher when I was 19. And I read,

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you know, remember, be here now. And then the second book he wrote was be love now. And that

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was really more focusing on his guru's life, which was Maharaji and which that was his message was

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like, be, tell the truth and be kind, you know, and be love. And, um, so I was like, well, what

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do I want to be? You know, who am I? I know love. And so I was like, what if be love? And then,

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so I have to ask myself in so many times when I start to find the old programs and the code is

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running my old code and programming. I'm like, what would love do right now? How would love feel?

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How would love show up? What would it feel like if I were love right now? And my whole vibration

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can change and my whole demeanor. And it's something I sometimes have to do five times a day.

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And it's sometimes I have to do it 5,000 times a day because so many things are coming at me and I

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have to keep like being like Wonder Woman with those bracelets, like pew, pew, like getting the

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the shit off me. So, but it's like, it's not, I think this is where I think a lot of people miss,

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I do psychedelic integration with people and work with folks on a long term basis. Cause a lot of

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times people will go have their ayahuasca or whatever, you know, I did acid and mushrooms

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or Ibogaine or whatever, and DMT. And, you know, they think like, yeah, I'm going to have this,

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you know, talk with the shaman before and do my experience and maybe have one or two calls after.

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I'm like, no, dude, like this is a life shattering experience.

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And it takes a lot of time to reorient yourself.

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If you want to have like sticky lasting results with your consciousness shift, it requires

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you developing a new daily perspective with that consciousness.

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So because I'm saying that because earlier you said something like a lot of people have

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seen the light, but then they get stuck and go fall backwards.

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And so I've been there.

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I've fallen backwards so many times.

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I can't even count.

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and sometimes I pick myself up and sometimes I'm down there face down in the mud for quite a while

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I'm like fuck help someone I've fallen in I can't get up but um you know it's it's it takes a village

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and that's why I think having a beautiful community of people who you trust to call you out and just

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be like yo what's up man I see you're kind of over there hanging out in the mud pit again Val

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like let's get over here reel it in and so i think that's going to be how we continue to develop

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nostr and bitcoin and lightning so that it's more personal you know and so i'm hoping to see a lot

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more of that and i'm really excited with what you know soapbox and shakespeare are doing um you know

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so it's funny because my dj band you know group was valerie and the vibe tribe and my dj name was

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Valerie the vibe goddess so it's kind of funny now that I'm vibe songing and vibe coding and all

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this so it's like serendipitous I'm so stoked yeah it is a fun time uh playing tinkering around

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with these uh vibe coding tools I actually uh might as well let the live stream audience

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in on a bit of a secret uh not much of a secret my x account is basically 90 percent

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an open claw bot.

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I've given it my API credentials

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and I trained it on my,

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on the X algorithm and on my stuff.

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And it's just posting, you know,

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a couple of times a day,

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just post some random stuff on it.

416
00:35:21,312 --> 00:35:23,152
Because why not?

417
00:35:23,732 --> 00:35:24,272
It's X.

418
00:35:24,512 --> 00:35:25,312
I don't care actually.

419
00:35:27,212 --> 00:35:30,772
But I think, how do you like talk to the audience

420
00:35:30,772 --> 00:35:32,752
as they're, you know, whoever's listening right now?

421
00:35:32,812 --> 00:35:33,912
Because I'm still, you know,

422
00:35:33,912 --> 00:35:35,952
I notice obviously we have a ton of bots

423
00:35:35,952 --> 00:35:41,112
on Noster. We have a ton of bots everywhere. Some of them are just, you know, ridiculous and some

424
00:35:41,112 --> 00:35:47,932
are, okay, cool. I'm going to post some of, you know, somebody's philosophy. Hold on. Excuse me.

425
00:35:47,932 --> 00:35:56,092
Thank you. How, how do we, again, this is an inundation of information overload, right? And

426
00:35:56,092 --> 00:36:02,312
obviously we want to have privacy. We want to have, you know, no KYC, all that stuff.

427
00:36:02,312 --> 00:36:12,412
how do we as creatives and builders build so that the user experience is pure to the most degree that

428
00:36:12,412 --> 00:36:16,472
we can make it pure like the web of trust right like i want to learn more about that like how do

429
00:36:16,472 --> 00:36:22,392
i say these are the only this is who i want to follow but then you know yeah can you talk more

430
00:36:22,392 --> 00:36:29,712
about that about web of trust itself uh well just like how how does a web of trust if it does like

431
00:36:29,712 --> 00:36:34,312
how can it help to lead to a more wholesome experience,

432
00:36:34,392 --> 00:36:36,072
a user experience in Nostar?

433
00:36:36,672 --> 00:36:37,052
Oh, yeah.

434
00:36:37,312 --> 00:36:38,272
I'm happy to.

435
00:36:38,272 --> 00:36:45,312
So, you know, the good thing with a lot of these open source web of trust tools

436
00:36:45,312 --> 00:36:52,412
that are coming out is it allows the user to calculate, essentially, right?

437
00:36:52,512 --> 00:36:58,772
You're quantifying trust relationships from your perspective.

438
00:36:58,772 --> 00:37:07,272
so that it's not a central platform saying for uh this is the global view this person has a score

439
00:37:07,272 --> 00:37:13,172
of 100 this person has a score of 50 and and then based on what the numbers we assign to people

440
00:37:13,172 --> 00:37:19,892
uh you as a user get a filtered feed right you you'll see everything that a user with a score

441
00:37:19,892 --> 00:37:25,672
of 100 posts you'll only see half the stuff score a score of 50 posts and we as the platform assign

442
00:37:25,672 --> 00:37:27,752
this. That's not how it works on Noster, especially

443
00:37:27,752 --> 00:37:29,732
with a lot of the new open source tools

444
00:37:29,732 --> 00:37:31,772
that people are developing. It'll be

445
00:37:31,772 --> 00:37:33,672
completely personalized to you, your

446
00:37:33,672 --> 00:37:34,432
interactions

447
00:37:34,432 --> 00:37:37,872
with people on Noster

448
00:37:37,872 --> 00:37:40,012
and then their interactions

449
00:37:40,012 --> 00:37:41,672
with the people they

450
00:37:41,672 --> 00:37:43,712
follow, right? So the

451
00:37:43,712 --> 00:37:45,812
weights get assigned purely

452
00:37:45,812 --> 00:37:47,692
from that perspective, each user's

453
00:37:47,692 --> 00:37:49,792
perspective. So you will see

454
00:37:49,792 --> 00:37:51,012
so

455
00:37:51,012 --> 00:37:53,472
you can have, and anyone can

456
00:37:53,472 --> 00:37:59,812
build these algorithms right so you can create an algorithm that says you know what let me assign

457
00:37:59,812 --> 00:38:06,332
a certain weight if someone for is following someone that has that gives that person a certain

458
00:38:06,332 --> 00:38:11,692
weight if someone's muted someone it gives them a negative weight if it's someone has reported them

459
00:38:11,692 --> 00:38:18,152
as a bot or whatever that gives them a much higher negative weight right so uh and and all of these

460
00:38:18,152 --> 00:38:22,492
weights come from a individual's perspective not assigned by a platform these are personalized

461
00:38:22,492 --> 00:38:33,352
scores. So based on that, you get to see and filter and curate content that way. I think it'll

462
00:38:33,352 --> 00:38:39,492
make a lot more sense once these tools roll out for use, and it's going to happen sometime this

463
00:38:39,492 --> 00:38:46,652
year. Amethyst rolled out a very early stage version of it, where you can filter your DMs based

464
00:38:46,652 --> 00:38:48,472
on trust scores.

465
00:38:49,072 --> 00:38:50,132
And these trust scores are,

466
00:38:50,292 --> 00:38:52,372
you can choose a provider

467
00:38:52,372 --> 00:38:53,432
who calculates these.

468
00:38:54,572 --> 00:38:56,792
Amethyst doesn't impose any of this.

469
00:38:57,372 --> 00:38:59,132
It just says,

470
00:38:59,232 --> 00:39:00,292
hey, you pick your provider,

471
00:39:00,392 --> 00:39:01,252
you pick your algorithm,

472
00:39:01,512 --> 00:39:02,252
all we're going to do

473
00:39:02,252 --> 00:39:03,772
is display the score

474
00:39:03,772 --> 00:39:04,872
based on how you've chosen

475
00:39:04,872 --> 00:39:06,232
to get these calculated.

476
00:39:06,952 --> 00:39:08,432
And then if you get a DM

477
00:39:08,432 --> 00:39:10,292
or a reply from some random person

478
00:39:10,292 --> 00:39:13,032
with a score of like 50

479
00:39:13,032 --> 00:39:14,992
calculated from your perspective,

480
00:39:14,992 --> 00:39:15,592
then you're like,

481
00:39:15,592 --> 00:39:19,692
I don't know who this person is. I'm not going to bother. Probably a bot.

482
00:39:20,332 --> 00:39:28,912
So you'll see more and more of these roll out over the next five, six months, Val, and it'll make a lot more sense.

483
00:39:29,012 --> 00:39:32,112
It'll make a lot more sense for curating music as well.

484
00:39:32,852 --> 00:39:38,432
But I guess my question to Avi, and this is what I've noticed on any platform, right?

485
00:39:38,432 --> 00:39:44,692
And certainly on X. But, you know, if there's like a bot swarm out there, right?

486
00:39:44,692 --> 00:39:51,552
Now we're seeing obviously a thing with OpenClaw and, you know, these like we've seen the bot farms, right?

487
00:39:51,632 --> 00:39:55,132
The images of what bot farms look like in, you know, different parts of the world.

488
00:39:55,772 --> 00:40:13,632
And so, again, like you could have a whole bot swarm that is just, OK, we're going to keep, you know, blocking or reporting a certain actually legitimate profile because we don't believe in what they're saying or they're trying to attack this cause or blah, blah, blah.

489
00:40:13,632 --> 00:40:19,332
whatever the thing might be right and so we've seen that can happen so it's like how do we

490
00:40:19,332 --> 00:40:25,052
again and so i'm not for like oh show me your driver's license and id i don't want to see any

491
00:40:25,052 --> 00:40:31,792
of that crap but how do we know somehow over time that it's not just a bunch of bots you know

492
00:40:31,792 --> 00:40:39,492
having a strategic attack on a certain profile yeah so this is a far meatier uh topic well we

493
00:40:39,492 --> 00:40:44,152
you spent hours talking about it but real quick on the on the bots themselves right if a bot has

494
00:40:44,152 --> 00:40:49,172
just spun up from nowhere it'll have a score of zero from your perspective right because you have

495
00:40:49,172 --> 00:40:55,992
zero association with it the only time that bot will have a score or a weight so that its actions

496
00:40:55,992 --> 00:41:02,172
actually reflect your reality will be if someone in your trusted circle is interacting with that

497
00:41:02,172 --> 00:41:07,552
bot in a positive way and positive interactions are typically zaps or they're following them

498
00:41:07,552 --> 00:41:14,072
but why would someone you trust follow a bad actor bot right the odds of that are incredibly low

499
00:41:14,072 --> 00:41:19,572
so if you can have a bot swarm and they can do they can start muting people reporting and all of

500
00:41:19,572 --> 00:41:27,092
that it'll have zero impact on your perspective because their actions carry zero weight well but

501
00:41:27,092 --> 00:41:32,972
and again i'm just from adversarial thinking perspective like if i were a bad guy i might

502
00:41:32,972 --> 00:41:45,548
I want to pretend I a good guy for quite a while so that I can get my trust score up And then I turn into the bad guy And then I have a whole bunch of bots like me and then the bots get better trust scores and then they go wreak havoc

503
00:41:45,548 --> 00:41:51,668
like the little gremlins. They can but at some point that behavior fairly soon will be noticed

504
00:41:51,668 --> 00:41:56,488
and then they'll start getting reported or whatever they'll have some negative engagement

505
00:41:56,488 --> 00:42:01,768
and that'll collapse their score over a fairly short period but yes look this is a complicated

506
00:42:01,768 --> 00:42:02,428
to topic, Val.

507
00:42:03,868 --> 00:42:05,128
We're here to talk about music.

508
00:42:05,368 --> 00:42:07,248
And I think the next one's going to lift the mood up

509
00:42:07,248 --> 00:42:08,908
just by looking at the name.

510
00:42:09,508 --> 00:42:10,908
It will lift the mood up for sure.

511
00:42:11,028 --> 00:42:13,268
It's super fun and cute. I like it.

512
00:42:13,468 --> 00:42:16,208
Awesome. It's called Disco Swag

513
00:42:16,208 --> 00:42:17,688
and it's by The Doorfuls.

514
00:42:18,828 --> 00:42:19,188
Awesome.

515
00:42:31,768 --> 00:42:41,888
I can't respire on you

516
00:42:41,888 --> 00:42:45,728
When you just do what you wanna do

517
00:42:45,728 --> 00:42:49,088
You're free, like a wannabe

518
00:42:49,088 --> 00:42:51,008
Tapped into your energy

519
00:42:51,008 --> 00:42:53,888
I can feel you spark from across the room

520
00:42:53,888 --> 00:42:58,388
And I never make the first move

521
00:42:58,388 --> 00:43:01,868
But it's different with you

522
00:43:01,868 --> 00:43:06,648
Out here on my own, won't you dance with me?

523
00:43:07,448 --> 00:43:09,768
Pips 100, prove you'd be a shot

524
00:43:09,768 --> 00:43:14,508
Come on, take my hand, won't you set me free?

525
00:43:15,248 --> 00:43:17,528
Show me all the moves you got

526
00:43:17,528 --> 00:43:21,688
Wrap my hands around your waist

527
00:43:21,688 --> 00:43:23,648
Lips so close that I can taste

528
00:43:23,648 --> 00:43:25,448
Show me what I need to do

529
00:43:25,448 --> 00:43:27,708
Show me what you do

530
00:43:27,708 --> 00:43:30,908
Feel the beat inside, take me for a ride

531
00:43:30,908 --> 00:43:34,128
Show me what I miss before I mess with you

532
00:43:34,128 --> 00:43:38,108
So move with me slow

533
00:43:38,108 --> 00:43:43,248
It'll take you where you want to go

534
00:43:43,248 --> 00:43:46,668
Out here on my own, won't you dance with me?

535
00:43:47,448 --> 00:43:49,768
Tips 100 prove you'll be a shot

536
00:43:49,768 --> 00:43:54,488
Come on, take my hand, won't you set me free

537
00:43:54,488 --> 00:43:57,548
Show me all the moves you got

538
00:43:57,548 --> 00:44:20,548
Show me what you got girl

539
00:44:27,548 --> 00:44:34,548
I need all my own, would you dance with me?

540
00:44:34,548 --> 00:44:37,548
Hips 100, put me a shot

541
00:44:37,548 --> 00:44:42,548
Come on, take my hand, hold your second feet

542
00:44:42,548 --> 00:44:45,548
Show me all the moves you got

543
00:44:45,548 --> 00:44:46,548
Show me what you got, girl

544
00:44:46,548 --> 00:44:51,548
Show me what you got

545
00:44:51,548 --> 00:44:56,548
Show me what you got, girl

546
00:44:56,548 --> 00:45:09,388
That was Disco Swag by the Dwarfels.

547
00:45:09,748 --> 00:45:11,948
And that did not disappoint, Val.

548
00:45:12,108 --> 00:45:12,828
That was fun.

549
00:45:13,288 --> 00:45:14,468
Who are the Dwarfels?

550
00:45:14,728 --> 00:45:15,368
What is this band?

551
00:45:15,368 --> 00:45:15,748
I don't know.

552
00:45:16,168 --> 00:45:17,168
I'm still learning.

553
00:45:17,408 --> 00:45:18,068
I forget.

554
00:45:18,188 --> 00:45:22,228
Somebody sent me this on Nostar because I was like, you guys send me some value.

555
00:45:22,348 --> 00:45:24,528
You know, who are my value for value artists out there?

556
00:45:24,528 --> 00:45:27,568
and somebody had sent this and I apologize.

557
00:45:27,748 --> 00:45:28,328
I forget who did.

558
00:45:28,428 --> 00:45:29,428
I'm sure I could look it up.

559
00:45:30,788 --> 00:45:32,208
But it's so fun, right?

560
00:45:32,368 --> 00:45:35,208
I'm so glad to see some different styles of artists.

561
00:45:35,388 --> 00:45:37,768
Every song I picked for this playlist is completely different.

562
00:45:38,048 --> 00:45:42,908
So it's kind of fun to just see the variety of talent

563
00:45:42,908 --> 00:45:46,948
that is coming on over here to the purple side,

564
00:45:47,368 --> 00:45:48,648
the purple and the orange side.

565
00:45:49,728 --> 00:45:50,348
For sure.

566
00:45:50,348 --> 00:45:55,008
There are a lot of songs in the Valley for Valley world.

567
00:45:56,208 --> 00:45:57,648
I think several thousand.

568
00:45:58,128 --> 00:46:00,508
I mean, I think hundreds of thousands, actually.

569
00:46:01,228 --> 00:46:07,088
A few thousand artists and maybe 10, 20 songs on average each.

570
00:46:07,488 --> 00:46:10,068
So close to 100,000 songs out there.

571
00:46:10,788 --> 00:46:15,908
You were talking earlier, Avi, just about how do we get more people to use this

572
00:46:15,908 --> 00:46:18,668
and how do we think the interface has been and the user experience?

573
00:46:18,668 --> 00:46:21,428
Like it still has quite a ways to go.

574
00:46:21,528 --> 00:46:24,548
Cause again, we're not dealing with these big, heavily funded companies.

575
00:46:24,748 --> 00:46:29,468
Like, you know, Oscar and Nick over at Fountain are awesome and they're doing the best they

576
00:46:29,468 --> 00:46:35,588
can to like try to create a user experience that is parallel to what we're all used to.

577
00:46:35,648 --> 00:46:35,868
Right.

578
00:46:35,908 --> 00:46:36,628
It's like instant.

579
00:46:36,828 --> 00:46:38,788
We know how stuff is organized, dah, dah, dah.

580
00:46:38,908 --> 00:46:40,568
And then of course let's zap everybody.

581
00:46:41,368 --> 00:46:48,108
So I think it's going to still take some time to get the interfaces up to the, the,

582
00:46:48,108 --> 00:46:53,108
the user experience that we have. Cause like one of the things I like about Spotify and, you know,

583
00:46:53,148 --> 00:46:58,888
I do have Spotify cause I love all, I love their catalog. I love all the suggestions. I love the

584
00:46:58,888 --> 00:47:04,088
playlists. I love how I can make a playlist from a playlist from a playlist. You know, I do not

585
00:47:04,088 --> 00:47:10,088
love their business model, but it's one of those, like, we don't have the catalog over here and I

586
00:47:10,088 --> 00:47:15,748
love music and I'm not going to just not have music in my life yet because of, of this. So,

587
00:47:15,748 --> 00:47:22,368
So I think, you know, we want to bring people over to Noster as much as possible, you know.

588
00:47:22,448 --> 00:47:39,828
And that's why I feel like going to different conferences that are more mainstream and, you know, applying to be a speaker or set up a booth or something so that other artists know what else is possible for them out there would be really, really, I think, one of the next steps for more adoption.

589
00:47:40,508 --> 00:47:40,988
No, for sure.

590
00:47:41,368 --> 00:47:44,868
And I know the Fountain guys, Oscar, Nick, and Dovidas,

591
00:47:45,448 --> 00:47:50,948
they officially launched their music onboarding and all of that

592
00:47:50,948 --> 00:47:52,188
just about a month or so ago.

593
00:47:52,368 --> 00:47:55,468
I know there had been bands putting up their music on Fountain before then,

594
00:47:55,548 --> 00:47:58,568
but they officially launched it very recently.

595
00:47:58,828 --> 00:48:01,168
I think they're getting close to being ready for primetime,

596
00:48:01,468 --> 00:48:03,728
but to your point, Val, it can be easier, right?

597
00:48:03,728 --> 00:48:06,328
And I think I tend to look at the trajectory,

598
00:48:06,928 --> 00:48:09,748
and compared to where we were a year ago,

599
00:48:09,828 --> 00:48:11,888
I think we're in a better place now.

600
00:48:12,388 --> 00:48:14,468
Is it as fast as all of us want?

601
00:48:14,568 --> 00:48:15,248
Probably not.

602
00:48:15,448 --> 00:48:18,788
But it's moving and it seems to be moving in the right direction.

603
00:48:20,468 --> 00:48:21,268
It is.

604
00:48:21,388 --> 00:48:33,968
And I think the vibe coding and what's happening with, I mean, again, I'm not a coder, but I know people who really can get in and use this as a way to elevate their ships, right?

605
00:48:34,028 --> 00:48:38,068
Like they can ship faster when you're able to vibe code stuff.

606
00:48:38,068 --> 00:48:41,868
And so, um, so I think it's really, really cool.

607
00:48:41,868 --> 00:48:46,388
And like what you're doing, you know, with open claw and I don't, I, you know, I've been

608
00:48:46,388 --> 00:48:50,648
waiting, like I got hung up on that for like maybe five or six days when everybody was going

609
00:48:50,648 --> 00:48:52,448
nuts two weeks ago, two weekends ago.

610
00:48:52,608 --> 00:48:54,388
And I was like, fuck yeah, I'm going to do this.

611
00:48:54,428 --> 00:48:55,088
It's going to be so cool.

612
00:48:55,328 --> 00:48:59,768
And then, you know, I was like, Val, you don't know shit about if you install this thing

613
00:48:59,768 --> 00:49:01,948
on your computer and it just eats the whole thing up.

614
00:49:01,948 --> 00:49:05,548
Like just wait for everybody to like, you know, kick the tires a little.

615
00:49:05,548 --> 00:49:11,008
And then, of course, you know, within 48 hours, it's just like it erased my hard drive and, you know, all this stuff.

616
00:49:11,068 --> 00:49:20,368
So I was like, I'm going to just I'm going to sit over here for a minute and be, you know, I'm not the super duper early adopter, but I'm like the second layer of early adopter.

617
00:49:20,668 --> 00:49:23,728
I'm running it in the cloud, Val, in a digital ocean droplet.

618
00:49:23,908 --> 00:49:27,568
Yeah, I did not want to put that on my machine and give it root access.

619
00:49:28,288 --> 00:49:30,868
Well, and it's just like giving it access to.

620
00:49:30,868 --> 00:49:35,468
I mean, obviously we've got, you know, things that people already use like Zapier or other integration.

621
00:49:35,888 --> 00:49:43,088
So, but it just, there's something about like these little agents that, that are just, I don't know what they're going to do.

622
00:49:43,148 --> 00:49:47,688
If, you know, if you give them water kind of thing, are they going to turn into the little monster gremlins?

623
00:49:49,688 --> 00:49:50,708
We'll find out.

624
00:49:51,228 --> 00:49:57,328
But let's, there are a few more songs to get through here, Val.

625
00:49:57,328 --> 00:49:59,148
So let's maybe go to your next one.

626
00:49:59,248 --> 00:50:03,488
It's by a guy, Matt Finlay, who's relatively new to Nostra.

627
00:50:03,608 --> 00:50:06,308
I think he's from, if I'm not mistaken, he's from Australia.

628
00:50:06,928 --> 00:50:11,328
A new entrant into the Nostraverse and the Valley for Value world.

629
00:50:12,148 --> 00:50:17,768
He's been very enthusiastic in supporting a lot of the shows and supporting a lot of the artists.

630
00:50:18,308 --> 00:50:22,428
And I think, did this come up when you asked on Nostra for suggestions?

631
00:50:22,428 --> 00:50:30,028
um you know i i don't know if it was you avi or somebody else but it was i don't know maybe a month

632
00:50:30,028 --> 00:50:35,088
ago when he first got on nostr and someone was like oh you know give this guy follow and and

633
00:50:35,088 --> 00:50:39,948
then i listened to some of his music i was like fuck yeah this is cool um so i thought that was

634
00:50:39,948 --> 00:50:45,088
that was i i gotta i gotta learn more about this cat so i think are we i just want to look at the

635
00:50:45,088 --> 00:50:50,108
playlist here yeah the government is the enemy so yeah that's a great one so let's play government

636
00:50:50,108 --> 00:50:51,288
Your government is your enemy.

637
00:50:52,588 --> 00:50:54,188
I think that's a perfect one.

638
00:50:54,468 --> 00:50:55,508
And it's hard.

639
00:50:55,648 --> 00:50:57,408
So brace yourself, my friends.

640
00:51:00,528 --> 00:51:01,688
It is good.

641
00:51:01,768 --> 00:51:02,928
I'm really glad to see him.

642
00:51:04,088 --> 00:51:04,288
Excellent.

643
00:51:04,608 --> 00:51:05,808
So this is Government.

644
00:51:06,148 --> 00:51:08,428
Your Government is Your Enemy by Matt Finlay.

645
00:51:09,368 --> 00:51:09,648
Yeah.

646
00:51:20,108 --> 00:51:35,248
Think in herds, move in flux

647
00:51:35,248 --> 00:51:40,328
Not the sharpest in the box

648
00:51:42,448 --> 00:51:45,308
This old game, it never stops

649
00:51:45,308 --> 00:51:50,428
This old penny never drops

650
00:51:50,428 --> 00:51:55,268
Choose your colour, kick a box

651
00:51:55,268 --> 00:51:57,848
You're dead easy to have flops

652
00:51:57,848 --> 00:52:02,508
Choose which puppet rips you off

653
00:52:02,508 --> 00:52:06,348
Your government is your enemy

654
00:52:06,348 --> 00:52:11,428
Your government is your enemy

655
00:52:11,428 --> 00:52:25,708
Pay those nurses, pay those docs

656
00:52:25,708 --> 00:52:30,848
To shoot you with those poison shots

657
00:52:30,848 --> 00:52:35,808
And fill your body full of clots

658
00:52:37,888 --> 00:52:40,808
You won't move to join the docks

659
00:52:40,808 --> 00:52:45,768
Abundant plans and endless blocks

660
00:52:45,768 --> 00:52:48,308
To keep their slaves in their box

661
00:52:48,308 --> 00:52:51,488
Ways to steal their bright lives

662
00:52:51,488 --> 00:52:56,868
And your government is your enemy

663
00:52:56,868 --> 00:53:01,928
Your government is your enemy

664
00:53:01,928 --> 00:53:03,708
That you'll never see

665
00:53:03,708 --> 00:53:10,968
Minnow Q, red or blue

666
00:53:10,968 --> 00:53:13,528
A super sucker, green for you

667
00:53:13,528 --> 00:53:16,448
With bodies only, one thing's true

668
00:53:16,448 --> 00:53:23,428
Your government is your enemy

669
00:53:23,428 --> 00:53:28,488
Your government is your enemy

670
00:53:28,488 --> 00:53:33,508
Your government is your enemy

671
00:53:33,508 --> 00:53:38,328
It's a government

672
00:53:38,328 --> 00:53:39,508
It's a government

673
00:53:39,508 --> 00:53:43,748
Yeah!

674
00:53:45,328 --> 00:53:46,588
That was good.

675
00:53:46,828 --> 00:53:49,108
That was Your Government Is Your Enemy

676
00:53:49,108 --> 00:53:51,268
by Matt Finlay.

677
00:53:51,568 --> 00:53:54,708
Matt, thank you for being a friend of NOSTA,

678
00:53:54,828 --> 00:53:56,868
a friend of Valley for Value,

679
00:53:57,508 --> 00:54:00,588
and just being such an enthusiastic entrant

680
00:54:00,588 --> 00:54:01,468
into this space.

681
00:54:01,968 --> 00:54:03,168
Love the energy you bring.

682
00:54:03,508 --> 00:54:10,648
yeah me too man keep rocking brother and keep keep speaking truth through rhythm and rhymes it's

683
00:54:10,648 --> 00:54:20,148
really really good awesome so val let's talk about a topic i know we were going back and forth a

684
00:54:20,148 --> 00:54:29,928
little bit on nasta one of the things i want to understand is the concept of ip or intellectual

685
00:54:29,928 --> 00:54:39,448
property and copyright around art but maybe specifically music as well um because uh i mean

686
00:54:39,448 --> 00:54:46,308
for several reasons but i had jim costello from phantom power media on the show last week and he

687
00:54:46,308 --> 00:54:53,268
was expressing some concern about how you know these platforms don't or these new tools don't

688
00:54:53,268 --> 00:54:59,228
fully address intellectual property for music, right?

689
00:54:59,248 --> 00:55:01,808
They don't protect it because it's just so open.

690
00:55:02,488 --> 00:55:05,208
I mean, there is no intellectual property protection

691
00:55:05,208 --> 00:55:06,248
out of the box at Nost,

692
00:55:06,308 --> 00:55:08,468
other than saying, I signed this note first, right?

693
00:55:08,528 --> 00:55:10,148
And here's cryptographic proof.

694
00:55:10,908 --> 00:55:13,968
And then even in the broad RSS world,

695
00:55:14,208 --> 00:55:18,328
unclear what kind of copyright protections there are.

696
00:55:18,408 --> 00:55:20,088
But what is your perspective on this?

697
00:55:20,128 --> 00:55:21,948
Because I know there are two sides to it.

698
00:55:21,948 --> 00:55:24,968
a lot of the value for value folks

699
00:55:24,968 --> 00:55:26,028
say look just put it out there

700
00:55:26,028 --> 00:55:26,608
put it out

701
00:55:26,608 --> 00:55:28,848
and you'll get value for it

702
00:55:28,848 --> 00:55:29,048
right

703
00:55:29,048 --> 00:55:30,608
don't worry about things like

704
00:55:30,608 --> 00:55:32,108
IP and copyright

705
00:55:32,108 --> 00:55:33,128
and then there's

706
00:55:33,264 --> 00:55:34,604
The other side, we say, oh, absolutely.

707
00:55:34,724 --> 00:55:38,184
Artists have, we have to protect artists and so on and so forth.

708
00:55:39,644 --> 00:55:41,064
Well, I think you're right.

709
00:55:41,124 --> 00:55:43,304
There are two sides and there's probably more even.

710
00:55:43,944 --> 00:55:48,344
And, you know, we spoke about this at the beginning of the show.

711
00:55:48,344 --> 00:56:00,644
It's like, how do we, with this new technology that continues to evolve on a, you know, second by second basis, that's gobbling up bits and bytes of information.

712
00:56:00,644 --> 00:56:08,884
how do we as creatives like put work out there and not feel like well okay they just gobbled it up

713
00:56:08,884 --> 00:56:17,504
and regurgitated it out into something new and so you know that model of the old model of thinking

714
00:56:17,504 --> 00:56:22,224
that like we're going to have copyright protections on everything and that is it's just it's out the

715
00:56:22,224 --> 00:56:27,804
window as far as i'm concerned you know because even just like playing with suno or mid journey

716
00:56:27,804 --> 00:56:37,464
or anything, you can, you can hack the machine to, to pull in like, um, information and you can say,

717
00:56:37,544 --> 00:56:43,784
cool, I want like an Android Jones, uh, you know, image, right. Or I want, you know, you're not

718
00:56:43,784 --> 00:56:47,864
supposed to say the name of the artist when you're working in Suno, it'll say, you're not supposed to

719
00:56:47,864 --> 00:56:53,844
say this, but you can go hack the thing. You can go rerecord it and tweak it a little and then

720
00:56:53,844 --> 00:56:58,004
upload it. So there's all these hacks and workarounds that people who truly want to go,

721
00:56:58,584 --> 00:57:02,884
I want to take Gainsley Costello's music and do something with it. They're going to do something

722
00:57:02,884 --> 00:57:08,844
with it. And so to me, you're, you're trying to, you know, bail out the Titanic with a thimble.

723
00:57:09,144 --> 00:57:15,624
It's not going to work. And so what could work? Well, that's where I think value for value and

724
00:57:15,624 --> 00:57:24,624
community building come in and live performances come in. And really like getting back into the

725
00:57:24,624 --> 00:57:29,524
mentality, you know, I've been talking about this for years is like in the old days, like the,

726
00:57:29,744 --> 00:57:35,124
really the old days, like you would have patrons that really supported your work and your art

727
00:57:35,124 --> 00:57:39,844
because they believed that you were good. And they're like, cool, here's a place to stay. Come

728
00:57:39,844 --> 00:57:43,484
make your art. I'll do an art gallery for you. The whole thing. Obviously that's, you know,

729
00:57:43,484 --> 00:57:48,604
you're relying on rich patrons. Now what we see obviously is like, holy cow, I can have like

730
00:57:48,604 --> 00:57:54,084
10,000 people, you know, give me a dollar a month. Could you imagine what an artist could do on a

731
00:57:54,084 --> 00:57:59,684
dollar a month from 10,000 people? Like you could support yourself in a, you know, not a fancy

732
00:57:59,684 --> 00:58:05,384
lifestyle, but you could pay for your gear, you could pay for electricity. So it depends on where

733
00:58:05,384 --> 00:58:10,004
in the world as well. In New York City, 10,000 a month, you're probably below the poverty line,

734
00:58:10,004 --> 00:58:15,504
But in Buenos Aires, it's like you're living like a king at that point, right?

735
00:58:16,064 --> 00:58:18,004
Exactly. And it's relative, right?

736
00:58:18,124 --> 00:58:30,444
And so we're competing with technology that, you know, is getting used against us, as we've seen with, you know, Spotify and Apple and Netflix and YouTube, the whole thing.

737
00:58:30,524 --> 00:58:39,084
So it's kind of like we have to build a new way to train our audiences to become part of our tribe, you know.

738
00:58:39,084 --> 00:58:44,504
And, and so it's up to us as artists, not to just sit in our studios and crank out work,

739
00:58:44,504 --> 00:58:49,144
which, you know, the reality of many artists, and I don't know if this is the same for you.

740
00:58:49,224 --> 00:58:52,704
I mean, I obviously used to travel around the world on stages and perform in front of

741
00:58:52,704 --> 00:58:54,084
thousands and thousands of people.

742
00:58:54,404 --> 00:59:00,344
The reality of who I am is I'm a complete introvert and I go out on stage because it's

743
00:59:00,344 --> 00:59:00,904
really fun.

744
00:59:00,904 --> 00:59:04,544
Cause it's like, yeah, I get to dance with all these people and raise their vibration

745
00:59:04,544 --> 00:59:06,004
and I raise mine and woohoo.

746
00:59:06,124 --> 00:59:06,704
Yay, let's party.

747
00:59:06,704 --> 00:59:28,024
But like, I'm not somebody who is like, I'm not Willie Nelson. I'm not 99 years old and going out there on the road again. Like, you know, like, that's a different kind of animal as an artist. Like, he's just like, what the heck, dude? Like, he's such a legend. And he just boggles my mind with, wow.

748
00:59:28,024 --> 00:59:38,884
um and so some artists are stuck in the dilemma i think of the introvert you know on the spectrum

749
00:59:38,884 --> 00:59:43,304
i know i'm on the spectrum somewhere i'm like i'm full fucking spectrum but um

750
00:59:43,304 --> 00:59:50,484
it's like a lot of people are going to struggle because if you don't know how to communicate and

751
00:59:50,484 --> 00:59:56,444
engage with your human audience and get them to open up their you know their lightning wallets or

752
00:59:56,444 --> 01:00:03,104
the real wallets to help you, it's going to be a challenge. And the, the, what we look at in the

753
01:00:03,104 --> 01:00:08,004
old industry, right. And, you know, you need to have an agent, you need to have, you know, a

754
01:00:08,004 --> 01:00:13,244
producer, you need to have a business manager, la la la, the lawyers, the whole teams, like you

755
01:00:13,244 --> 01:00:17,804
don't need any of that stuff. Now, you know, you can do a lot of that stuff yourself if you know

756
01:00:17,804 --> 01:00:24,244
how to do it. But so that's where obviously the Spotify's and all, you know, record labels and

757
01:00:24,244 --> 01:00:30,184
stuff came in because they know that artists are artists. They're not necessarily the best business

758
01:00:30,184 --> 01:00:34,564
people. And so that's why we've seen so many artists get ripped off by the labels. I mean,

759
01:00:34,564 --> 01:00:40,224
look at what happened with Prince, you know, the whole thing. So we're at this place where

760
01:00:40,224 --> 01:00:47,304
if you want to have reach, you're going to put your music up on Spotify and YouTube and all the

761
01:00:47,304 --> 01:00:52,164
stuff. But if you want to have depth and you really want to grow that your thousand true fans,

762
01:00:52,164 --> 01:00:58,104
like Kevin Kelly talks about, like you have to learn how to create that, that micro community.

763
01:00:58,724 --> 01:01:02,684
And, you know, and I've talked about this, this was a couple of years ago, I wanted to create this

764
01:01:02,684 --> 01:01:08,744
like super fan wallet, you know, and, and I, we could probably build it at this point. I don't

765
01:01:08,744 --> 01:01:14,464
know, but you'd still have to have permissions and APIs and stuff. But I wanted to build something

766
01:01:14,464 --> 01:01:21,824
where, um, if you have like, cause the problem with the patron model is in same thing with the

767
01:01:21,824 --> 01:01:28,044
streaming and whatever. Like if I have, let's say, you know, $20 a month content consumption budget,

768
01:01:28,044 --> 01:01:34,004
and I want to stream it to my favorite artists or podcasters or whatever. Well, let's say I caught

769
01:01:34,004 --> 01:01:38,564
a cold and I'm home and all I'm doing is listening to podcasts and music. And in the first two days

770
01:01:38,564 --> 01:01:43,584
of the month, I blew my $20 budget. Now what? Do I not consume content because I want to,

771
01:01:43,884 --> 01:01:48,064
you know, stream or how does that work? And so I was like, can we make something

772
01:01:48,064 --> 01:01:52,884
where we have like the super wallet that is like, you just put your monthly budget in it

773
01:01:52,884 --> 01:01:57,324
and you attach it to all the platforms and services where you consume content,

774
01:01:57,424 --> 01:02:04,024
whether it's a video or an article or a song or a podcast. And then, you know, you can assign like,

775
01:02:04,024 --> 01:02:08,184
okay, videos are going to get, you know, two sats per minute, or they're going to get weighted a

776
01:02:08,184 --> 01:02:12,304
certain way. It wouldn't even be per minute. And then at the end of the month, you look at what

777
01:02:12,304 --> 01:02:17,304
your consumption was on an analytics board and be like, cool, push the button. It goes to every

778
01:02:17,304 --> 01:02:22,604
piece of content that you consumed. So maybe one month, it's like, all your content is like,

779
01:02:22,684 --> 01:02:27,764
wow, that was a lot of content. So they're going to get less per consumption. But then if there's

780
01:02:27,764 --> 01:02:32,424
one month where you're like, I didn't do much, you still these people might get more. So it's

781
01:02:32,424 --> 01:02:38,864
kind of this way that you can protect yourself from a overspending problem, and not limiting

782
01:02:38,864 --> 01:02:44,504
yourself with what you can consume. Like for me, as a creative, I'd be so happy to know that like,

783
01:02:44,504 --> 01:02:50,504
I'm in the lineup of somebody's stuff. And, and I think, you know, that micro friction that Gigi

784
01:02:50,504 --> 01:02:55,684
was talking about with micropayments is, is like, if you have to think about it and every time you

785
01:02:55,684 --> 01:03:01,544
want to boost and zap, you know, I forget half the time I'm listening to a podcast or music in my car

786
01:03:01,544 --> 01:03:07,584
and I'm not going to remember to go back and boost, you know, Matt, who's great song I just

787
01:03:07,584 --> 01:03:12,684
listened to, you know? And so I want the machines to do that for me. And then I want it to be

788
01:03:12,684 --> 01:03:18,424
transparent and I don't want to accidentally go over budget. And so I think we're probably at a

789
01:03:18,424 --> 01:03:26,364
point right now that that could get built, you know, and why not? Like, why wouldn't you want

790
01:03:26,364 --> 01:03:33,024
to have the data of, of like, who's listening? And then you can send your people messages and

791
01:03:33,024 --> 01:03:39,064
thanks for listening to my stuff over on Apple or whatever. I just feel like the, the machines

792
01:03:39,064 --> 01:03:44,764
should do the talking for us and the computation of how to get this value to each other.

793
01:03:44,904 --> 01:03:45,884
But I don't know.

794
01:03:46,124 --> 01:03:47,824
Did I answer any of your questions?

795
01:03:47,904 --> 01:03:49,184
I know I went off on a tangent there.

796
01:03:49,564 --> 01:03:54,924
No, I think that's certainly one approach to it.

797
01:03:55,984 --> 01:03:57,824
There needs to be, you're right, right?

798
01:03:57,904 --> 01:04:02,024
I mean, there are times when, especially when you're driving and you're listening to a podcast

799
01:04:02,024 --> 01:04:06,264
and a song, you're not going to remember to go back and boost it.

800
01:04:06,264 --> 01:04:10,684
Even though you got value out of it while you were driving, you're like, okay, I'm going to remember.

801
01:04:10,804 --> 01:04:11,364
This is great.

802
01:04:11,544 --> 01:04:12,904
I want to send them a nice boost.

803
01:04:13,024 --> 01:04:15,324
And then you get to your destination.

804
01:04:15,464 --> 01:04:19,224
You start chatting about something else and it's gone at that point, right?

805
01:04:19,224 --> 01:04:21,004
And then you move on to the next podcast.

806
01:04:22,644 --> 01:04:22,844
Yeah.

807
01:04:23,584 --> 01:04:28,604
There needs to be some kind of automation there for sure.

808
01:04:29,824 --> 01:04:31,124
Wouldn't that be cool though?

809
01:04:31,124 --> 01:04:35,344
Because it's like maybe your budget is $100 a month for content consumption.

810
01:04:35,344 --> 01:04:51,744
And maybe, you know, so it's like you're really truly paying on a per use basis and it's going to the artist, you know, and it's still if you can build that in a way that doesn't cannibalize the existing subscription models that other, you know, platforms use.

811
01:04:51,844 --> 01:04:54,824
I mean, they're big, they're distribution models.

812
01:04:54,904 --> 01:04:55,404
It's fine.

813
01:04:55,544 --> 01:04:59,744
You know, we don't want it's like people wouldn't have that kind of reach if they didn't exist.

814
01:04:59,744 --> 01:05:04,344
So I'm really happy to see what the guys at Fountain are cooking up, you know.

815
01:05:04,344 --> 01:05:10,344
and hopefully this will be another, I mean, wouldn't it be neat if we had the whole catalogs

816
01:05:10,344 --> 01:05:16,464
of Tidal and Spotify guys over here? You know, like, wow, what a game changer that would be for

817
01:05:16,464 --> 01:05:25,604
the artists. Maybe it's coming. It's just a lot slower than we hope. We'll see. Well,

818
01:05:25,764 --> 01:05:31,964
let's play your next song. It's got an interesting title.

819
01:05:34,344 --> 01:05:38,364
The title is Tatum Turnup, who's a friend of ours.

820
01:05:40,684 --> 01:05:44,184
But it's a song by Man Like Quacks.

821
01:05:47,004 --> 01:05:48,124
So perfect.

822
01:05:48,364 --> 01:05:50,344
And Man Like Quacks is the bomb, you guys.

823
01:05:50,444 --> 01:05:51,544
Make sure you follow Tatum.

824
01:05:51,624 --> 01:05:53,184
Make sure you follow Man Like Quacks.

825
01:05:53,264 --> 01:05:54,464
These guys are the shit.

826
01:05:55,064 --> 01:05:55,944
I love you too.

827
01:05:57,664 --> 01:05:58,004
Awesome.

828
01:05:58,924 --> 01:06:01,744
Tatum Turnup by Man Like Quacks.

829
01:06:04,344 --> 01:06:08,864
Yo, it's Malak Quakes in Tanzania, let's go

830
01:06:08,864 --> 01:06:13,344
Malak, yeah

831
01:06:13,344 --> 01:06:17,884
Yeah, Malak Quakes, Tatum, turn up

832
01:06:17,884 --> 01:06:21,424
Yo, congrats bro, let's get it, yeah

833
01:06:21,424 --> 01:06:24,384
Yo, mama, I made it

834
01:06:24,384 --> 01:06:26,164
Between two ASICs, yo

835
01:06:26,164 --> 01:06:27,604
Tatum got a thousand subs

836
01:06:27,604 --> 01:06:28,944
So out here celebrating

837
01:06:28,944 --> 01:06:30,804
And I'm Nostapleb, verified

838
01:06:30,804 --> 01:06:32,404
Derek Ross, certified

839
01:06:32,404 --> 01:06:33,764
I orange-pilled my barber

840
01:06:33,764 --> 01:06:35,624
Now he's getting zapped worldwide

841
01:06:35,624 --> 01:06:38,484
From Nostarica all the way to Nostania

842
01:06:38,484 --> 01:06:40,124
Nostasia is next

843
01:06:40,124 --> 01:06:41,724
No good making custom gear

844
01:06:41,724 --> 01:06:43,384
And it hasn't been a year

845
01:06:43,384 --> 01:06:44,844
To join Feb 23

846
01:06:44,844 --> 01:06:46,344
I'm a sass millionaire

847
01:06:46,344 --> 01:06:48,204
From just rapping on beats

848
01:06:48,204 --> 01:06:49,784
Dropping songs every week

849
01:06:49,784 --> 01:06:51,344
Zapathon every week

850
01:06:51,344 --> 01:06:52,844
It's midnight in Tanzania

851
01:06:52,844 --> 01:06:54,524
Man I should really be asleep

852
01:06:54,524 --> 01:06:55,544
But I'm back bro

853
01:06:55,544 --> 01:06:56,384
I'm back bro

854
01:06:56,384 --> 01:06:58,024
Come through got your zaps yo

855
01:06:58,024 --> 01:06:59,664
Post a zap mean

856
01:06:59,664 --> 01:07:01,164
And zap zap zap zap yo

857
01:07:01,164 --> 01:07:02,804
Just like that yo

858
01:07:02,804 --> 01:07:04,984
Thursday, Friday, every week

859
01:07:04,984 --> 01:07:06,304
Bring a stack of sats

860
01:07:06,304 --> 01:07:08,624
And some Zapathon memes, yo

861
01:07:08,624 --> 01:07:09,344
Yeah

862
01:07:09,344 --> 01:07:11,444
I'm rappin' for my team

863
01:07:11,444 --> 01:07:13,204
Nostra Plebs, what up, yo

864
01:07:13,204 --> 01:07:14,704
I'm rappin' for the team

865
01:07:14,704 --> 01:07:15,004
Yeah

866
01:07:15,004 --> 01:07:17,844
We rappin' for the team

867
01:07:17,844 --> 01:07:19,604
Nostra Plebs, what up, man

868
01:07:19,604 --> 01:07:21,104
We rappin' for the team

869
01:07:21,104 --> 01:07:22,164
Yo

870
01:07:22,164 --> 01:07:23,384
My life hoop

871
01:07:23,384 --> 01:07:24,264
My life quakes

872
01:07:24,264 --> 01:07:25,904
Nostra Plebs, what up, yo

873
01:07:25,904 --> 01:07:27,044
Take him turn up, turn up

874
01:07:27,044 --> 01:07:28,584
Take him turn up, yeah

875
01:07:28,584 --> 01:07:30,364
Take him turn up, turn up

876
01:07:30,364 --> 01:07:31,864
Take him turn up, yeah

877
01:07:31,864 --> 01:07:40,324
That was Tatum Turn Up by Man Like Quicks.

878
01:07:42,584 --> 01:07:52,984
That was Tatum Turn Up by Man Like Quicks.

879
01:07:54,044 --> 01:07:55,604
What is he up to these days?

880
01:07:56,024 --> 01:07:57,784
I'm sure he's a music machine.

881
01:07:57,904 --> 01:08:00,444
He just keeps dropping new tracks left, right and center.

882
01:08:00,444 --> 01:08:08,144
I don't know. I just love it every time I hear him and his heart is made of pure gold and love.

883
01:08:08,364 --> 01:08:14,084
And same with Tatum, super gold and love. So sad Tatum moved. He was here in Colorado and he had to,

884
01:08:14,084 --> 01:08:19,704
he had to skedaddle elsewhere. And I miss you, Tatum, my brother. We got to DJ together

885
01:08:19,704 --> 01:08:23,024
in Las Vegas last year on the roof at the Nostra party.

886
01:08:23,904 --> 01:08:24,264
Oh, nice.

887
01:08:24,264 --> 01:08:31,384
yeah it was awesome like I love being able to like DJ with my friends and not you know and I

888
01:08:31,384 --> 01:08:34,884
got to DJ at another I don't know one of those big old clubs and I didn't know the guy before

889
01:08:34,884 --> 01:08:39,844
or after me fuck he was so good I was like what is your name again and of course I forget

890
01:08:39,844 --> 01:08:46,304
but he was so good but when you get to play music with friends it's the coolest it's so much fun

891
01:08:46,304 --> 01:08:52,604
and you know dancing with your buddies and yeah so thanks open mic for putting that whole big

892
01:08:52,604 --> 01:08:57,904
giant party together and inviting us to play. That was such an honor and such a fun time.

893
01:08:59,104 --> 01:09:06,784
Nice. Yeah, I unfortunately could not make it out to Vegas. And I know Val, you, Open Mic,

894
01:09:06,884 --> 01:09:12,004
Derek Ross and a few others were involved in the Noster booth or the Noster lounge that they had

895
01:09:12,004 --> 01:09:20,304
last year. Yeah, I was just a little helper. I mean, that was all, you know, Derek and Mike and

896
01:09:20,304 --> 01:09:33,720
Tanya and just a bunch of other people were so like you know and Heather and everybody they completely made that happen I just volunteered a couple of sessions And so yeah it was it great man

897
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:42,820
It's such a cool community of people who just want to see freedom technology flourish, you know, and we're all different.

898
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,260
You know what I mean? And that's what's I think so cool.

899
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:46,580
And like everybody's invited.

900
01:09:46,580 --> 01:09:55,840
And I think we all have something like a little thumbprint that we can put on the tapestry or the sculpture of it, you know, and I look at that about life, right?

901
01:09:55,940 --> 01:10:02,560
Like to me, I think about life as a divine masterpiece, you know, and we have a hand in it.

902
01:10:02,700 --> 01:10:06,400
You know, the spirit universe, God has a hand in it.

903
01:10:06,460 --> 01:10:10,040
And then all the people and the things around us have a hand in it.

904
01:10:10,060 --> 01:10:14,640
And it's kind of like make your life the most beautiful expression that you can.

905
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,180
You know, why wouldn't we?

906
01:10:16,580 --> 01:10:21,1000
And so I think that's just like a neat thing that Bitcoiners just don't ask permission.

907
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:25,180
We just start doing it like, yeah, fuck yeah, let's go do this thing.

908
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:27,500
I don't need to check with HR.

909
01:10:29,860 --> 01:10:30,580
For sure.

910
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,700
Are you planning to be at Vegas this year?

911
01:10:34,420 --> 01:10:35,120
I'm not.

912
01:10:35,740 --> 01:10:40,940
This year I'm taking a break from all the travel and the talks and the music and everything.

913
01:10:41,060 --> 01:10:42,100
And I'm focusing on building.

914
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,080
And I want to get back out and do more travel.

915
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:48,920
Just this year is a big, uh, last year was a really rough year for me.

916
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,280
And I went through a bunch of different stuff.

917
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,140
I'll be posting about it at some point.

918
01:10:53,140 --> 01:10:56,060
And, uh, I'm, I'm on the mend.

919
01:10:57,100 --> 01:10:58,080
Let's put it that way.

920
01:10:58,080 --> 01:10:58,420
Congratulations.

921
01:10:58,420 --> 01:11:00,280
In a very, very great way.

922
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:04,320
So, so, but yeah, so I'm not going to be doing a whole lot of, a lot of traveling.

923
01:11:04,460 --> 01:11:08,040
I'm definitely in the, the creative zone and the business zone.

924
01:11:08,100 --> 01:11:13,100
I've got to, you know, got to stack some sats here and pay some, pay some electric bills.

925
01:11:13,100 --> 01:11:19,100
bear markets are for building i mean and let's not kid anyone especially ourselves we are in a

926
01:11:19,100 --> 01:11:27,120
bear market now yeah it's definitely it was a i was like are we gonna get down to 58k is the 58k

927
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:34,1000
close and it might happen again it was a little like oh man i gotta start selling some kidneys here

928
01:11:34,1000 --> 01:11:42,720
get some money well i'm living off my stats right now it's it's been brutal and i when i get my fiat

929
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:48,280
job we were over 100k and even then it was a slightly uncomfortable decision i didn't have

930
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:52,940
enough runway you know i'm not like one of those guys who are like 500 bitcoin like okay that's it

931
01:11:52,940 --> 01:11:58,980
it's let me retire my yacht i was like okay i had to get out of fiat and i was like 100k i can just

932
01:11:58,980 --> 01:12:03,920
squeak through maybe a year if i'm super if i tighten my belt maybe two years and here we are

933
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:11,020
flirting with 58k again and uh yeah it's been it's like what do i do like become a janitor now

934
01:12:11,020 --> 01:12:29,940
I know. I was talking with Tomer the other day and I was like, dude, I think I'm going to have to put an Uber sign on my car and start driving Uber. But so, okay, can we segue into this last song? I want to talk about the project that we're working on again.

935
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:31,100
Yeah, absolutely.

936
01:12:31,100 --> 01:12:32,480
Exactly. So talk about that.

937
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:33,280
Yeah.

938
01:12:33,540 --> 01:12:34,620
Is that cool?

939
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:35,360
Yeah.

940
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:47,480
Okay, cool. So I think you were there. I think when we met at Pacific Bitcoin a few years back, it was when the cyber opera was just starting. Remember?

941
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:48,920
Yeah, I do. Yeah.

942
01:12:48,920 --> 01:13:18,840
Okay. So, so that Pacific Bitcoin, so we, you know, we'd made, so Tomer basically wrote, you know, the legendary treasure of Satoshi Nakamoto. And I was like, you know, and him and I are buddies. And I was like, dude, we need to turn this into a cyber opera. And he was like, well, what the heck is that? And I'm like, I don't know. But what if we made something that like, was, you know, this based on your story? And then it was sort of like a Cirque du Soleil meets Burning Man meets Hamilton meets Tommy, the rock opera.

943
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:24,820
meets Queen, you know, I'm like, we can make this fusion experience, you know, for people on stages.

944
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:28,220
Because when I used to do the Vibe Tribe, like Valerie and the Vibe Tribe, we had

945
01:13:28,220 --> 01:13:33,220
performance artists and stilt walkers and aerialists and VJs and video and fire and the

946
01:13:33,220 --> 01:13:39,380
whole thing, right? And I would have different, you know, drummers or flute players or whatever,

947
01:13:39,540 --> 01:13:42,880
you know, whatever the budget was, we would always just blow it out and try to make the stage,

948
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:47,620
you know, really fun in addition to, of course, great music. So I was like, what if we told this

949
01:13:47,620 --> 01:13:52,100
story, you know, and used a lot of that plus more even, you know, and do something cool.

950
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:57,000
So he's like, okay, let's do it. And so we started working on the story together.

951
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:03,900
And then we made the trailer, like Murph, thank you Murph, like made a really cool trailer for us.

952
01:14:03,940 --> 01:14:08,120
And then, you know, I brought it to Pacific Bitcoin, brought it down to El Salvador.

953
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:12,700
And it was just this cool, like momentum of like, what if we made it this kind of like

954
01:14:12,700 --> 01:14:17,180
open source vibe thing where the story was there, but then we had different musicians

955
01:14:17,180 --> 01:14:22,700
and creatives that can come in and like remix it. And this was before, you know, so it was like

956
01:14:22,700 --> 01:14:27,420
three years ago. So this was before we had all the Suno and the vibe coding and, you know,

957
01:14:27,480 --> 01:14:31,180
mid journey, I think may have been around. I don't even know. It was around actually,

958
01:14:31,180 --> 01:14:37,920
because I made some artwork for it. Yeah. But so we didn't have the push button tools that we have

959
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:43,320
right now, which we've been using to kind of create a sketch. But so a whole bunch of people

960
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:49,040
got together, you know, and started doing weekly meetings turned into two, three, four, five,

961
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:55,580
six times a week. We're meeting, you know, and you know, like Marissa and TJ, Murph, Carla,

962
01:14:55,780 --> 01:15:01,000
all these people, Anonymous, we were putting all this time and love into like, let's build this

963
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:06,380
story. Like Terrence Michael was helping us with some story development. Just a ton of other people

964
01:15:06,380 --> 01:15:13,140
were helping in the background with like legal and what do we do? And, and we turned it into this,

965
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:18,500
like, holy cow, this could really be a cool project. And do we take it on stages? Does it go to,

966
01:15:18,500 --> 01:15:25,440
you know, Bonnaroo? Is it going to go to, you know, the different festivals? Or is it more of

967
01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:29,200
like a Broadway thing? Or what are we doing? You know, so it was just this fun, creative

968
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:34,660
unraveling that we were working on together. And everybody was just, you know, obviously,

969
01:15:34,660 --> 01:15:36,540
We're all just volunteering, putting our time in.

970
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:42,720
And it really consumed so much of my life and time for months and months and months, right?

971
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,280
And same with everybody else.

972
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,560
And it got to a point where we were in a hardcore bear market.

973
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:54,460
So I think it was three years ago, was it like 17, 18?

974
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:56,260
It was something that was ridiculous.

975
01:15:57,180 --> 01:16:01,220
Pacific Bitcoin was when FTX happened, right?

976
01:16:01,380 --> 01:16:03,420
That was the bottom of the bear, wasn't it?

977
01:16:03,740 --> 01:16:03,980
17.

978
01:16:03,980 --> 01:16:09,260
Well, but months later, like in the next year is when we were working on stuff.

979
01:16:09,480 --> 01:16:12,620
And it was, and I think we were, I don't know, we were, I don't know if we were in a bear market.

980
01:16:12,620 --> 01:16:15,100
You were in the early twenties or something around then.

981
01:16:15,380 --> 01:16:15,620
Something.

982
01:16:16,220 --> 01:16:18,860
And so we were just like, no one's going to fund this.

983
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:19,960
We need to get more money.

984
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:25,040
We ended up meeting with a trademark copyright lawyer guy or whatever, IP lawyer.

985
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:33,560
And meeting with the IP lawyer, just basically, it just let the air out of our enthusiasm.

986
01:16:33,980 --> 01:16:56,720
You know, it kind of just killed the vibe. And we were just like, fuck, you know, because he was just, you know, a lawyer. He did what lawyers do, which is kill the vibe. Because it was like, oh, you got to do this and this and this kind of copyright and this, all this shit. And so just that layered on the bear market. And, you know, Tomer and I separately, you know, we were kind of the main people who started on this.

987
01:16:56,720 --> 01:17:20,160
We both had some personal stuff going on. So we needed to go all go take care of our own lives and families and things happening. And so the whole project just kind of got a thumbtack in it, right? Like, we'll come back to this, you guys. Let's see what happens. Well, meanwhile, behind the scenes, Mr. TJ Murphy, rock star that he is and super artist. He's like, fuck that, man. This needs to go on.

988
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:28,380
So God bless TJ. He decided to do all this watercolor artwork, which was really awesome.

989
01:17:28,380 --> 01:17:34,020
And he made a bunch of poems. And, you know, so the poems started getting converted into songs

990
01:17:34,020 --> 01:17:39,420
because we had like most of the story outline done. We had some ideas of what we wanted to do,

991
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:43,420
you know, and I started talking to different people about funding. And so many people were

992
01:17:43,420 --> 01:17:47,160
just so discouraging, like, you're not going to make any money doing this. People aren't going to

993
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:51,100
put money towards it. It needs to be something that they're going to get a return on. And so it

994
01:17:51,100 --> 01:17:56,660
was just this negative after negative after negative. And it was just like, I need a break

995
01:17:56,660 --> 01:18:01,860
mentally. I need to pull back from this for a little bit. And I just always hoped like, okay,

996
01:18:01,860 --> 01:18:06,900
maybe one day when Bitcoin reaches a hundred K or a million, like we'll bring the opera back.

997
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:12,820
But TJ in the whole time was rocking and rolling and he was just using his beautiful creative

998
01:18:12,820 --> 01:18:22,380
talents and, um, and creating the opera. And so God bless him. He was reached out to Tomer and I

999
01:18:22,380 --> 01:18:26,900
again, and he was just like, look at what I made. And I'm like, fuck yeah, dude, this is awesome.

1000
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:32,880
He made like a print book. He's got, um, uh, you know, just these songs that he started making and

1001
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:37,960
making in Suno, you know, and vibe, vibe composing, I guess we call it now. I don't know what we call

1002
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:44,080
it. So it was just really nice. And I was like, yay, TJ, this is great. So he's like, do you guys

1003
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:49,000
want to start working on this again? And Tomer and I were like, fuck yeah, dude, let's do it.

1004
01:18:49,440 --> 01:18:55,100
And what we noticed is the first round of creative process was like, we just opened the doors to

1005
01:18:55,100 --> 01:18:59,260
everybody. Okay, everybody come to the meetings, everybody show up. And it was really, really

1006
01:18:59,260 --> 01:19:04,460
wonderful to have all that enthusiasm. But in the writer's room, when you're writing and creating,

1007
01:19:04,460 --> 01:19:09,200
it's, it's like the kitchen, right? You can't have too many people. And so what's been really,

1008
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:14,900
really nice. So since, I don't know, TJ, like when was, when did we start back with you? Like

1009
01:19:14,900 --> 01:19:20,300
November maybe? Um, you know, he'll know, I think he's listening, so he'll know, but, um,

1010
01:19:21,100 --> 01:19:25,940
it's just been so nice because it's just been the three of us and the three of us bring completely

1011
01:19:25,940 --> 01:19:33,960
unique perspectives to the, the storytelling process. And, you know, so from a creative lens,

1012
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:51,840
It's just been so cool to really drop in with these gentlemen and have fun, like really getting the story pulled out and pulled out and tweaking the words and tweaking the vibe and tweaking the scenes and really just dreaming up what could this story look like?

1013
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:52,980
Because obviously we're embellishing.

1014
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:55,560
We don't know who Satoshi is.

1015
01:19:55,560 --> 01:20:07,840
And so we're creating this, you know, experience that we want to deliver and all these different formats, whether it's on screen or on stages or, you know, just music, just video, et cetera, just art.

1016
01:20:07,980 --> 01:20:21,480
And so it's been this fun, like it's helped me as an artist, you know, pull out some things that because, you know, when you create sometimes, I don't know about you, Avi, but like if you're just solo creating.

1017
01:20:21,480 --> 01:20:26,500
you know, you're in, you have a lot of blind spots as a creative, you know, and you're like,

1018
01:20:26,540 --> 01:20:31,360
isn't this great? And people around you will be like, yeah, it's, it's nice. Hey, good. You know,

1019
01:20:31,380 --> 01:20:37,640
but when you're really sitting in a, um, in the cauldron of the writer's room and the creative

1020
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:43,980
room with others who aren't afraid to tell you like that idea sucks and you in a nice way, of

1021
01:20:43,980 --> 01:20:51,840
course, it really like it forces you to justify your creative positions, you know, and to

1022
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:57,560
me, I love it because it's like, and I'm very much into like, okay, how can I make this

1023
01:20:57,560 --> 01:20:57,880
better?

1024
01:20:58,020 --> 01:20:59,160
Is this just good enough?

1025
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:01,880
Or am I really pulling out excellence out of myself?

1026
01:21:02,220 --> 01:21:06,160
And sometimes it takes the other people to like push you and same thing.

1027
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:15,060
So I think the three of us have been in this really nice flow of, you know, creative expansion.

1028
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:21,860
And we will call out like, yeah, no, no, no, that's got to go on the cutting room floor down there, you know.

1029
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:24,640
And so it's been like really interesting.

1030
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:28,920
And then what's interesting, too, is just, again, the technical skills that we each bring.

1031
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:36,320
um you know tj is a master like organizer so he's got everything like just meticulously project

1032
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:43,120
managed and just it's wonderful he's so good at this and um you know and and tomers got a lot more

1033
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:48,900
um historical wisdom around what happened in bitcoin you know and so what we want to do is

1034
01:21:48,900 --> 01:21:55,320
eventually reach out to you know the cyber punks and people who were in bitcoin way before us and

1035
01:21:55,320 --> 01:22:00,340
validate like, is this kind of how it went down? You know, so that in addition to the creative

1036
01:22:00,340 --> 01:22:04,520
embellishments that we've created, we want to make sure we do have some facts that are,

1037
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:10,520
you know, correct, you know, on the timeline. You know, and then obviously it's just like,

1038
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:15,940
I have stage experience. I have experience with audiences and performance and a feminine

1039
01:22:15,940 --> 01:22:21,920
perspective. So it's just been this beautiful, beautiful kaleidoscope working with these guys.

1040
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:28,740
And so it's just really fun to see what's moving forward, you know, and so it's cool.

1041
01:22:28,860 --> 01:22:35,960
So what we're going to play, it's a song called Wonder, you know, and TJ wrote it and it was one of his poems that he turned into the songs.

1042
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:45,880
And so, you know, so we're creating this as a three act performance and, you know, all the songs that we had been working on a couple of years ago, TJ just took them and did a bunch of other stuff.

1043
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:49,280
And now we're even adding more, subtracting the whole thing.

1044
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:57,620
So it's just, it's been a really, really nice gift of my heart to get to work on this.

1045
01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:58,440
So thank you, TJ.

1046
01:22:58,700 --> 01:22:59,500
And thank you, Tomer.

1047
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:04,580
I'm so grateful to do this process with you and everybody else who's participated, you

1048
01:23:04,580 --> 01:23:07,320
know, in the past, like, thank you so much.

1049
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:13,040
And I can't wait to like get everybody else reengaged and make this come to life.

1050
01:23:13,100 --> 01:23:32,256
And so basically the process has been you know that original work that we did TJ took Soka did a lot of you know work of his own on it Then he started plugging a lot of stuff into Suno and you know using all these cool video tools and art tools to make the music videos

1051
01:23:32,256 --> 01:23:58,056
And so, you know, we really, our goal is to have human performers, human singers, human musicians, and really turn this into something that's beautiful on stage. But like right now, what we've been doing is just having a lot of fun playing with AIs. And I haven't played a ton with it, but this is something that I just pushed a couple buttons and prompts and remixed, you know, the song that TJ started with.

1052
01:23:58,056 --> 01:24:03,796
Um, so it's called wonder and, you know, we really want to think about this performance

1053
01:24:03,796 --> 01:24:09,956
and this experience to be, you know, this cool psychedelic journey mixed with, you know,

1054
01:24:10,016 --> 01:24:16,236
technology and the cypher punks and the evil cracking villain and, um, some other surprise

1055
01:24:16,236 --> 01:24:20,536
elements that I'm not going to say, but, uh, you'll find out when you guys watch.

1056
01:24:20,536 --> 01:24:29,656
so but that's this is wonder and you know this is originally tj's work and again i i give him

1057
01:24:29,656 --> 01:24:35,476
mad props and gratitude and same with tomer for writing the original inspiration and then

1058
01:24:35,476 --> 01:24:41,056
you know and i give all the credit to god because god gives us this gift of music and love so

1059
01:24:41,056 --> 01:24:47,456
there you go so this is this is one of the many many iterations of wonder and we you know if you

1060
01:24:47,456 --> 01:24:53,916
know somebody who could sing this and acquire like let us know let's listen to Wanda

1061
01:25:17,456 --> 01:25:37,356
The world is full of wonder

1062
01:25:37,356 --> 01:25:42,416
There's joy in all I see

1063
01:25:42,416 --> 01:25:47,056
I wonder what lies under

1064
01:25:47,056 --> 01:25:50,776
These wired forces flowing free

1065
01:25:50,776 --> 01:25:54,616
Through energy and patterns

1066
01:25:54,616 --> 01:25:56,556
Nature weaves her works

1067
01:25:56,556 --> 01:25:58,456
In language and mathematics

1068
01:25:58,456 --> 01:26:02,136
We can walk with her and converse

1069
01:26:02,136 --> 01:26:08,636
Indistinguishable from magic

1070
01:26:08,636 --> 01:26:12,576
Fruit of science and industry

1071
01:26:12,576 --> 01:26:16,576
Transarms ourselves from tragedy

1072
01:26:17,056 --> 01:26:18,056
Ah-ah!

1073
01:26:18,056 --> 01:26:21,056
To be guns of self-sovereignty

1074
01:26:21,056 --> 01:26:22,056
Ah-ah!

1075
01:26:42,056 --> 01:26:44,056
Nature sings in waves and light

1076
01:26:44,056 --> 01:26:46,056
We answer back in sound and sight

1077
01:26:46,056 --> 01:26:52,056
A harmony of matter and will unseen, forces moving still

1078
01:26:52,056 --> 01:26:58,056
Though our tools are so mighty

1079
01:26:58,056 --> 01:27:05,056
Still there's so much left to do

1080
01:27:05,056 --> 01:27:09,056
I'll shape the world that might be

1081
01:27:09,056 --> 01:27:18,056
And build our strength anew

1082
01:27:18,056 --> 01:27:22,056
Indistinguishable from magic

1083
01:27:22,056 --> 01:27:26,056
Fruit of science and industry

1084
01:27:26,056 --> 01:27:30,056
Transforms ourselves from tragic

1085
01:27:30,056 --> 01:27:35,056
To beacons of self-sovereignty

1086
01:27:35,056 --> 01:27:39,056
Indistinguishable from magic

1087
01:27:39,056 --> 01:27:43,056
Fruits of science and industry

1088
01:27:43,056 --> 01:27:47,056
Transforms ourselves from tragic

1089
01:27:47,056 --> 01:27:53,056
To beacons of self-sovereignty

1090
01:28:05,056 --> 01:28:16,256
That was Wonder by TJ and Val and Tomer and everyone else involved in the cyber opera.

1091
01:28:16,876 --> 01:28:23,036
Wow. I can see this, Val, as a Lion King version of Bitcoin or something like that.

1092
01:28:23,036 --> 01:28:29,136
It definitely has a real Broadway vibe to it, doesn't it?

1093
01:28:29,216 --> 01:28:34,576
Well, it's so funny you said that because we were talking the other day at a Friday meeting

1094
01:28:34,576 --> 01:28:38,796
And when there was a different song, you know, Tomer was like, oh, it's like this.

1095
01:28:38,956 --> 01:28:41,576
We can make it a Kuno Matata meets this and that.

1096
01:28:41,836 --> 01:28:46,076
And, you know, and in this song, Wonder, you know, it's got so many versions of it.

1097
01:28:46,076 --> 01:28:59,056
Right. And so I was like, all right, let's, you know, prompt Suno and have it remix the, you know, the song into something that's got more chorus in it that has more of a, you know, a worldly flavor kind of thing.

1098
01:28:59,096 --> 01:29:00,356
And so that's kind of what it spit out.

1099
01:29:00,356 --> 01:29:05,876
So it's just, it's, it's so much fun to like, kind of, it's like pulling the slot machine.

1100
01:29:06,036 --> 01:29:07,856
That's how I look at vibe coding for me.

1101
01:29:08,556 --> 01:29:13,576
Cause it's like, you, you know, as I've worked in Ableton and I've done a lot of different

1102
01:29:13,576 --> 01:29:18,116
types of music production and I'm not great at it cause I don't have the patience for

1103
01:29:18,116 --> 01:29:24,616
the granular, um, NIS that needs to go into like every note needs this, here's the effect.

1104
01:29:24,696 --> 01:29:26,876
It needs to be panned left, right, la la la, you know?

1105
01:29:26,876 --> 01:29:32,776
So, um, and that's why I'm a DJ and I love getting to be a DJ cause I get to be the,

1106
01:29:32,776 --> 01:29:37,416
the tastemaker and the selector of like, okay, this goes with this, this is going to create

1107
01:29:37,416 --> 01:29:37,996
this vibe.

1108
01:29:38,096 --> 01:29:38,456
Okay.

1109
01:29:38,456 --> 01:29:39,616
This is going to create tension.

1110
01:29:39,616 --> 01:29:41,336
This is going to make people feel scared.

1111
01:29:41,956 --> 01:29:42,956
Give them the relief.

1112
01:29:43,076 --> 01:29:43,276
Yay.

1113
01:29:43,396 --> 01:29:45,596
Ooh, this makes people feel juicy and yummy, you know?

1114
01:29:45,596 --> 01:29:47,936
So, so I'm really, really good at that.

1115
01:29:48,016 --> 01:29:50,196
That's like one of my, one of my special gifts.

1116
01:29:50,196 --> 01:30:09,196
And so having the AIs come in and do this stuff is, is so cool. Cause it's like, okay, these elements are cool. And, you know, inside of Suno and I haven't done it yet, but you can rip the stems apart so you can have the strings and the vocal and the trumpet and blah, blah, blah, and go, you know, manipulate it in a DAW.

1117
01:30:09,196 --> 01:30:15,316
which you know my hope is that you know the way that we've been approaching this is it's a

1118
01:30:15,316 --> 01:30:22,856
it's the initial outline in canvas for the and and you know we to um tj wanted to rename this

1119
01:30:22,856 --> 01:30:27,376
the cypher opera instead of cyber opera so we're like okay that makes more sense because of the

1120
01:30:27,376 --> 01:30:34,316
cypher punks and everything and uh so so now it's the cypher opera but i think it's like it's been

1121
01:30:34,316 --> 01:30:42,416
so fun, you know, and, and being able to like, think about the music representing some hope

1122
01:30:42,416 --> 01:30:43,156
for the future.

1123
01:30:43,156 --> 01:30:47,396
And obviously what you're doing this morning, right, is like doing the Sunday brunch and

1124
01:30:47,396 --> 01:30:51,856
trying to highlight all the different artists who are value for value artists and stuff.

1125
01:30:51,856 --> 01:30:55,836
So I think we want to get more people on stages.

1126
01:30:56,216 --> 01:30:58,036
We want to get more people's voices heard.

1127
01:30:58,176 --> 01:30:59,156
We want to see their art.

1128
01:30:59,296 --> 01:31:03,576
We want to blend their, their brilliance into something like this, you know, and hopefully

1129
01:31:03,576 --> 01:31:08,556
it inspires people to take it. Cause like our goal, you know, we were in, when I was in El

1130
01:31:08,556 --> 01:31:14,756
Salvador, originally I was at, um, you know, I showed the trailer at Adopting Bitcoin. And then

1131
01:31:14,756 --> 01:31:23,436
we went to this like, um, lightning workshop that was at a kid's school. And, um, and I was so

1132
01:31:23,436 --> 01:31:28,116
inspired by these children, you know, and you could just tell like these kids have talent and

1133
01:31:28,116 --> 01:31:33,496
like, I want to hear children's voices singing in the opera. I want to hear the future of our

1134
01:31:33,496 --> 01:31:38,776
world, you know, cause to me, that's who we're fighting for, you know, and that's why we're

1135
01:31:38,776 --> 01:31:43,696
putting all this energy in. We could all just go live our own little small lives and not worry about,

1136
01:31:43,796 --> 01:31:50,056
you know, building a future, but like, so creating this, this opera with the children's voices in it

1137
01:31:50,056 --> 01:31:55,196
and having, of course, a whole bunch of other stuff. So it's, that's one flavor that you just

1138
01:31:55,196 --> 01:32:01,596
heard. Like we want it to have rock and roll components and techno and beautiful, sacred,

1139
01:32:01,596 --> 01:32:07,276
you know, psychedelic kind of music we want, you know, so all of these flavors are going to get

1140
01:32:07,276 --> 01:32:14,276
somehow expressed through the journey that we want to take people on. And so it, I love

1141
01:32:14,276 --> 01:32:20,956
unpredictability when I'm listening to music and I love music that challenges me and, and makes me

1142
01:32:20,956 --> 01:32:25,956
want to keep listening. Cause I'm, I'm hooked and like, Whoa, what's going to happen next? You know?

1143
01:32:25,956 --> 01:32:35,196
And that's why I love Spongle, Raja Ram and Simon Posford are just two of the best producers, I think, in the world.

1144
01:32:35,836 --> 01:32:38,016
And so my dream is to get Simon.

1145
01:32:38,356 --> 01:32:40,096
I don't even know if Raja is still producing.

1146
01:32:40,196 --> 01:32:42,096
He was on the podcast years ago.

1147
01:32:43,276 --> 01:32:51,676
But to get their input of like, how would you design this, you know, or even just you guys remix the whole thing and Spongle-ify it.

1148
01:32:51,676 --> 01:32:59,816
And then we're going to have, you know, another artist who's a Bitcoiner who's maybe country, you know, Ainsley will go remix it in an Ainsley way or something, you know.

1149
01:33:00,136 --> 01:33:10,356
But what we our goal is to really, really make sure that the foundation of the story is ultra solid, you know, and that continues to unfold each session that we have, you know.

1150
01:33:10,356 --> 01:33:12,776
And so that's what we've been working on the last few months.

1151
01:33:12,776 --> 01:33:26,756
But TJ has really taken a lot of time to go dive into the AIs and make some really, really neat work, you know, that I think will get built upon when we have the artists and stuff.

1152
01:33:26,856 --> 01:33:33,676
So I'm super grateful to get to do this project with these gentlemen and hopefully all the other artists in Bitcoin world.

1153
01:33:34,716 --> 01:33:35,496
Love that.

1154
01:33:35,736 --> 01:33:38,576
Yeah, certainly something to look forward to, Val.

1155
01:33:38,576 --> 01:33:45,636
And sorry, there was one point earlier when I chuckled out loud because I opened Mike in the live chat.

1156
01:33:46,536 --> 01:33:49,436
We just said Zapkuna Satata.

1157
01:33:49,996 --> 01:33:55,876
It's totally Zapkuna Matata.

1158
01:33:56,556 --> 01:33:57,296
Satata.

1159
01:33:58,476 --> 01:33:59,156
Satata.

1160
01:33:59,316 --> 01:33:59,956
Satata.

1161
01:34:00,236 --> 01:34:00,976
I love it.

1162
01:34:01,776 --> 01:34:03,056
Love you, Mike.

1163
01:34:03,196 --> 01:34:04,016
God bless you.

1164
01:34:04,176 --> 01:34:04,836
Oh, my God.

1165
01:34:04,896 --> 01:34:05,896
It's so fun.

1166
01:34:05,896 --> 01:34:09,096
And like, it's like, and that's the funnest part, right?

1167
01:34:09,116 --> 01:34:13,896
Because we can take cultural things that we're excited and inspired about and remix them,

1168
01:34:13,936 --> 01:34:14,136
right?

1169
01:34:14,196 --> 01:34:21,256
And so, you know, I'm hoping that we can continue to support value for value artists and help

1170
01:34:21,256 --> 01:34:26,976
artists get comfortable developing their micro communities, those thousand true fans who

1171
01:34:26,976 --> 01:34:29,576
will give them $10 a month or whatever, right?

1172
01:34:29,576 --> 01:34:34,396
Or if we can get the super fan wallet built, like that would be another way, right?

1173
01:34:34,436 --> 01:34:35,356
To help artists.

1174
01:34:35,356 --> 01:34:41,556
And so, so I'm just, I'm so hopeful and curious and excited to see what the future holds for

1175
01:34:41,556 --> 01:34:44,296
creativity, you know, and self-expression.

1176
01:34:44,656 --> 01:34:47,416
Um, it's, it's mind boggling.

1177
01:34:47,516 --> 01:34:48,976
It's just so fun to see.

1178
01:34:48,976 --> 01:34:54,516
Like I love pushing buttons and seeing what comes out, you know, and, um, and I love having

1179
01:34:54,516 --> 01:34:57,036
it fine tuned really nicely as well.

1180
01:34:57,036 --> 01:34:58,436
So it's just, it's really fun.

1181
01:34:58,436 --> 01:35:00,736
And I think, you know, dive into it.

1182
01:35:00,796 --> 01:35:01,516
Don't be afraid.

1183
01:35:01,956 --> 01:35:05,296
Everybody, to me, everybody's a creative, you know, if you can

1184
01:35:05,296 --> 01:35:09,516
create a business, you're an artist. If you can create food, you're an artist. So it's like,

1185
01:35:09,516 --> 01:35:16,176
let your inner artist shine. Absolutely. All right, Val. So we've reached the part of the show

1186
01:35:16,176 --> 01:35:23,176
where I get to play my song. And this is usually where I've been throwing a curveball so far. I've

1187
01:35:23,176 --> 01:35:27,936
played some symphonic metal. I've played some dissonant prog rock just to make sure the audience

1188
01:35:27,936 --> 01:35:34,776
is still awake. And of course they are. But since you've done that already today, Val, I'm going to

1189
01:35:34,776 --> 01:35:40,376
do something different i'm actually going to play a song that fits the sunday vibe perfectly it's

1190
01:35:40,376 --> 01:35:48,436
upbeat it's melodic it's called piccolo steve by a band called mystical dank but as you listen

1191
01:35:48,436 --> 01:35:54,176
you val and everyone else listening in the live stream and whoever was listening to the recording

1192
01:35:54,176 --> 01:36:02,916
i want you to ask yourself one question does something feel slightly off not bad off

1193
01:36:02,916 --> 01:36:04,776
just uncanny.

1194
01:36:05,456 --> 01:36:07,296
Let's see if you can spot the ghost

1195
01:36:07,296 --> 01:36:08,416
in the machine.

1196
01:36:09,116 --> 01:36:10,396
This is Piccolo Steve

1197
01:36:10,396 --> 01:36:11,936
by Mystical Denk.

1198
01:36:30,256 --> 01:36:31,636
Piccolo Steve

1199
01:36:31,636 --> 01:36:38,376
We get the knees, pursing his lips at the carnage.

1200
01:36:39,496 --> 01:36:47,136
Sows lumbar, cringing along, tasting the fruit of the might of the gong.

1201
01:36:47,736 --> 01:36:51,536
We don't even know all a human can do.

1202
01:36:52,236 --> 01:36:55,776
Look at your soul for an eternal clue.

1203
01:36:56,776 --> 01:37:00,856
Wasted away, piling for gold.

1204
01:37:00,856 --> 01:37:03,016
Drinking the juice

1205
01:37:03,016 --> 01:37:05,436
Selling your soul

1206
01:37:05,436 --> 01:37:07,636
Satsang on Jen

1207
01:37:07,636 --> 01:37:23,132
Laughing again Takes what she can Loves that exotic phlegm Bongo de Ney twerking away leaving behind what the new world can pay

1208
01:37:23,552 --> 01:37:27,392
We don't even know all a human can do.

1209
01:37:28,072 --> 01:37:31,572
Look in your soul for an eternal clue.

1210
01:37:31,572 --> 01:37:36,672
Wasted away, pining for gold

1211
01:37:36,672 --> 01:37:41,232
Drinking the juice, selling your soul

1212
01:37:41,232 --> 01:37:50,592
Safety and danger, one and the same

1213
01:37:50,592 --> 01:37:59,252
Run from the anger, just to find pain

1214
01:37:59,252 --> 01:38:07,912
Many things broken, many things new

1215
01:38:07,912 --> 01:38:16,752
Looking for something you already knew

1216
01:38:29,252 --> 01:38:48,512
We don't even know all a human can actually do

1217
01:38:48,512 --> 01:38:52,332
Look in your soul for a subtle clue

1218
01:38:52,332 --> 01:38:57,232
Wasting away, pining for gold

1219
01:38:57,232 --> 01:39:01,872
Drinking the juice, selling your soul

1220
01:39:27,232 --> 01:39:36,132
That was Piccolo Steve by Mystical Dank. Val, your thoughts?

1221
01:39:38,512 --> 01:39:48,592
I love the polka rap klezmer vibe. I remember people would always ask me, like, what kind of

1222
01:39:48,592 --> 01:39:54,012
music do you need, Jay? And I would say polka rap. And they were like, what the fuck is that?

1223
01:39:54,012 --> 01:39:55,232
I'm like, I made it up.

1224
01:39:55,292 --> 01:39:56,892
Yeah, it's my own genre, you know.

1225
01:39:58,232 --> 01:40:01,052
But I think this was a fun song.

1226
01:40:01,132 --> 01:40:02,452
It was definitely interesting.

1227
01:40:02,612 --> 01:40:06,832
What was the hidden thing that you were referring to?

1228
01:40:07,092 --> 01:40:08,492
Here's my theory, Val.

1229
01:40:08,572 --> 01:40:11,192
I don't think Mystical Denk actually exists.

1230
01:40:11,932 --> 01:40:12,732
Ah, okay.

1231
01:40:13,032 --> 01:40:14,832
I'm almost certain this is a 99,

1232
01:40:15,172 --> 01:40:19,092
I'm 99% certain that this is AI.

1233
01:40:19,092 --> 01:40:28,592
I because if you if you listen to maybe it's it's hard to tell on this song there are a few clues

1234
01:40:28,592 --> 01:40:36,532
you don't really hear a fret noise the vocalist doesn't take a breath in in a weird place anywhere

1235
01:40:36,532 --> 01:40:42,792
right so it's a little too clean and the the beat and the rhythm are just so flawless and perfect

1236
01:40:42,792 --> 01:40:50,612
right so you take all of that in and that forms the initial suspicion at least it did for me

1237
01:40:50,612 --> 01:40:55,852
and then i went through mystical dank's catalog on wave lake they played rest of their songs and

1238
01:40:55,852 --> 01:41:00,692
the voice is different everything's different so it's like there's no way right there's one band

1239
01:41:00,692 --> 01:41:06,512
that's producing these perfect songs one after the other different vocalist each time different style

1240
01:41:06,512 --> 01:41:12,172
this is almost like yeah whatever this genre was i don't know like spanish polka whatever you want

1241
01:41:12,172 --> 01:41:20,352
call it um and yeah so that's my theory i i think this is an ai song and it's it just goes to show

1242
01:41:20,352 --> 01:41:24,372
how quickly the space is moving with ai music you were talking about suno

1243
01:41:24,372 --> 01:41:29,132
i mean this did it did it strike you that it might be ai when you were listening to it

1244
01:41:29,132 --> 01:41:34,612
i i'm at the point right now with listening to some of this song especially like you know the

1245
01:41:34,612 --> 01:41:39,912
stuff that uh has i've been listening to with you know tj and then the remixes that i've been just

1246
01:41:39,912 --> 01:41:45,852
sort of, you know, minimally playing with, it's like, okay, these could be people, you know, I

1247
01:41:45,852 --> 01:41:52,412
mean, there's, there's, there's that. And it's also like, oh, this saccharin could be sugar.

1248
01:41:52,752 --> 01:41:59,392
And cause it's sweet, you know, it doesn't mean it's sugar. And so, so there's, this is where I

1249
01:41:59,392 --> 01:42:06,272
think, you know, obviously we're going to have more bots, more AI music, more AI art, more all

1250
01:42:06,272 --> 01:42:14,412
of it. And, and I think, you know, what humans love is humans. And so this is why having

1251
01:42:14,412 --> 01:42:18,332
performances with real people that you can see, and you know, that they're them on the

1252
01:42:18,332 --> 01:42:24,792
screen and the stage or whatever is so invaluable, you know, because it's one thing to have a

1253
01:42:24,792 --> 01:42:28,672
bot sing a song, you know, and it's trying to sing about heartbreak or it's trying to

1254
01:42:28,672 --> 01:42:33,192
sing about pain or it's trying to sing about love or whatever. And you can give it some

1255
01:42:33,192 --> 01:42:37,892
words and you can give it some notes to play and you can do all this stuff. There's something

1256
01:42:37,892 --> 01:42:44,172
missing when AI is doing this, you know, because it's like, it's not coming from lived experiences.

1257
01:42:44,592 --> 01:42:50,612
And I think that's the, yeah, there's no soul, but it's okay. You know, I'm like, okay, that's

1258
01:42:50,612 --> 01:42:55,032
good. I listened, same thing with the song I played, the wonder song. It's okay. You know,

1259
01:42:55,032 --> 01:43:00,532
but like when you have a choir singing it and you've got a singer, it's going to be a whole

1260
01:43:00,532 --> 01:43:05,292
lot different in an orchestra or a band or whatever, like it's going to be a whole different

1261
01:43:05,292 --> 01:43:12,772
experience, you know, playing the exact same thing. And so I think artists, I don't want to,

1262
01:43:13,172 --> 01:43:19,752
I hope artists don't get super lazy and just spit out AI slop just because they can, you know,

1263
01:43:19,932 --> 01:43:27,292
but we're going to, we see that and we're going to see it. And so I feel like Nick from Fountain

1264
01:43:27,292 --> 01:43:32,852
told me to listen to the, um, I forget the, the, it's an audio book I'm listening to about the

1265
01:43:32,852 --> 01:43:39,672
origins of Spotify. And, um, and it talks about like the Muzak catalog and everything that you

1266
01:43:39,672 --> 01:43:47,652
listen to, you know, and then the, so there was all these artists that were, um, had much lower

1267
01:43:47,652 --> 01:43:52,932
deals than regular artists on Spotify so that they could pad all the playlists with like cheap

1268
01:43:52,932 --> 01:43:57,992
music. And because they made it to sound pretty similar to the other stuff that people actually

1269
01:43:57,992 --> 01:44:04,452
liked, what they did was they, they padded their pockets because they weren't really having, um,

1270
01:44:04,772 --> 01:44:10,532
you know, like when the playlist came out years ago. So, so to me, that's kind of like a,

1271
01:44:10,532 --> 01:44:18,072
you know, wham, bam, thank you, ma'am philosophy of, of the industry that I think is not healthy

1272
01:44:18,072 --> 01:44:24,132
for really good art to get created, you know? Um, so it just, you know, it is what it is. We're

1273
01:44:24,132 --> 01:44:28,332
going to see this. We're going to see people, you know, you see people writing, you can just tell

1274
01:44:28,332 --> 01:44:33,112
like that's AI slop writing. Like that's not a human that wrote that that's chat GPT. Um,

1275
01:44:33,972 --> 01:44:38,452
but it's going to get trickier as they, you know, cause you're training your agent, right. To go

1276
01:44:38,452 --> 01:44:44,492
post on X, the more information the agents get about us and the more do's and don'ts we tell them,

1277
01:44:44,492 --> 01:44:48,492
the better they're going to continue to process bits

1278
01:44:48,492 --> 01:44:51,232
you know and replicate us

1279
01:44:51,232 --> 01:44:53,812
and so we're in for a

1280
01:44:53,812 --> 01:44:56,312
we're just at the beginning Avi I think

1281
01:44:56,312 --> 01:45:00,172
and I'm excited but I'm also like what are humans going to do

1282
01:45:00,172 --> 01:45:02,792
if the machines can do it so good

1283
01:45:02,792 --> 01:45:06,232
yeah I think we're going to be separated by the people

1284
01:45:06,232 --> 01:45:09,072
who outsource their agency, intelligence, everything

1285
01:45:09,072 --> 01:45:12,872
entirely to AI versus those who use it as a force multiplier

1286
01:45:12,872 --> 01:45:15,552
for their existing skills that they have.

1287
01:45:15,652 --> 01:45:17,532
You know, one thing on the AI music front,

1288
01:45:18,532 --> 01:45:20,472
and I've played around quite a bit

1289
01:45:20,472 --> 01:45:21,972
with this other one called Mureka,

1290
01:45:22,152 --> 01:45:23,812
which is, you know, you soon know Mureka.

1291
01:45:24,592 --> 01:45:28,652
And if you try to make it do vocals

1292
01:45:28,652 --> 01:45:32,212
or heavy guitars or drums especially,

1293
01:45:32,572 --> 01:45:34,172
it's fairly easy to tell.

1294
01:45:34,852 --> 01:45:36,612
The vocals sound too artificial,

1295
01:45:37,772 --> 01:45:39,032
even though, I mean, they sound human,

1296
01:45:39,032 --> 01:45:40,072
but you can tell.

1297
01:45:40,832 --> 01:45:42,752
The drums are too steady, right?

1298
01:45:42,872 --> 01:45:43,972
The baseline is too steady.

1299
01:45:44,332 --> 01:45:47,552
However, if you can make it do slow,

1300
01:45:47,692 --> 01:45:49,132
instrumental, classical music,

1301
01:45:49,292 --> 01:45:51,032
and with a little bit of prompting,

1302
01:45:51,872 --> 01:45:53,932
I've created a lot of background music

1303
01:45:53,932 --> 01:45:56,112
for some of the readouts that I do

1304
01:45:56,112 --> 01:45:59,072
and for some of the short videos that I do.

1305
01:45:59,352 --> 01:46:01,132
And it's really hard to tell.

1306
01:46:01,352 --> 01:46:04,012
And some of these are beautiful classical sounding pieces.

1307
01:46:04,592 --> 01:46:07,232
And even if I don't, I'm not a musician.

1308
01:46:07,232 --> 01:46:12,232
So if I need music, I either pay someone a lot of money

1309
01:46:12,232 --> 01:46:14,012
to use their music or I use

1310
01:46:14,012 --> 01:46:15,772
Mureka to create it, right?

1311
01:46:16,752 --> 01:46:18,172
But I can see

1312
01:46:18,172 --> 01:46:20,212
a world in which some, especially some of these

1313
01:46:20,212 --> 01:46:22,212
beautiful classical sounding pieces that Mureka

1314
01:46:22,212 --> 01:46:24,072
has created, and artists use that

1315
01:46:24,072 --> 01:46:25,492
as a starting point, right?

1316
01:46:25,852 --> 01:46:28,272
Oh, right, okay, yeah, yeah. And then they take that

1317
01:46:28,272 --> 01:46:29,772
and they can riff off of that

1318
01:46:29,772 --> 01:46:31,952
and create something else. So

1319
01:46:31,952 --> 01:46:33,272
just like writers,

1320
01:46:34,092 --> 01:46:35,752
I mean, a lot of times when I'm stuck

1321
01:46:35,752 --> 01:46:38,372
on a topic, I go to

1322
01:46:38,372 --> 01:46:40,192
Gemini or Chachibiri and I just

1323
01:46:40,192 --> 01:46:42,212
say, hey, give me some ideas for blah, blah, blah.

1324
01:46:42,232 --> 01:47:00,292
And it throws a few things at me. It's like, oh, okay, yeah, I actually didn't think about this that way. So I take that and then I write something riffing off of that. So I think to me, that is using AI as a force multiplier versus completely outsourcing your intelligence and your agency.

1325
01:47:00,292 --> 01:47:09,992
I agree. And I, and I think again, that this is a, um, younger people, you know, who are growing up

1326
01:47:09,992 --> 01:47:17,272
with this in their, their lives as a teenager right now, everything they turn into school

1327
01:47:17,272 --> 01:47:22,712
is AI generated. You know, my son a couple of years ago gave me an AI birthday card and I just

1328
01:47:22,712 --> 01:47:25,932
looked at him. I was like, you didn't write this, did you? He's like, oh yeah, I totally did. And I'm

1329
01:47:25,932 --> 01:47:32,052
I'm like, bullshit, dude. And I'm like, it's okay. Like, it's really nice. Thank you. And

1330
01:47:32,052 --> 01:47:37,392
thanks for printing it out and giving it to me. It's, I love it, but it's just the younger

1331
01:47:37,392 --> 01:47:46,092
generation I think is going to be at a uniquely different, um, mindset than, than we are,

1332
01:47:46,152 --> 01:47:52,352
you know, because we, we grew up with, you know, three channels on the TV and cable where you,

1333
01:47:52,352 --> 01:47:56,772
oh boy, we got the HBO. And, you know, so it was like, we were used to just having limited

1334
01:47:56,772 --> 01:48:00,852
things around us. The antennas are the wrong angle. The channel's gone.

1335
01:48:01,352 --> 01:48:05,952
Totally, right. Hold it right there. Go on the roof and the whole thing. So it's like,

1336
01:48:06,472 --> 01:48:12,052
they can't relate to that, you know? So I don't fault anybody for like thinking like, yeah,

1337
01:48:12,052 --> 01:48:15,852
of course, why wouldn't I use this? You know, just like right now we use, you know, obviously

1338
01:48:15,852 --> 01:48:22,632
We use the internet and now we're all using AI and, and, but the outsourcing of agency

1339
01:48:22,632 --> 01:48:27,652
and the outsourcing of thinking and creativity is it's proliferating, you know?

1340
01:48:27,652 --> 01:48:33,812
And, and I think it's going to be really weird, you know, once the microchips happen,

1341
01:48:34,212 --> 01:48:37,012
that's all I got to say, because they're happening.

1342
01:48:37,372 --> 01:48:38,532
I'm not getting one.

1343
01:48:38,812 --> 01:48:42,792
I hope my kids don't get one, but their kids will, hands down.

1344
01:48:42,792 --> 01:48:48,252
It's no avoiding that next future trip thing.

1345
01:48:48,652 --> 01:48:49,252
Think about it.

1346
01:48:49,672 --> 01:48:58,092
Look at the huge problem of prescription drug use at colleges and universities with Adderall.

1347
01:48:59,252 --> 01:49:00,492
And what's the other one?

1348
01:49:00,992 --> 01:49:02,512
Something like Adderall.

1349
01:49:03,732 --> 01:49:06,372
And so it's for performance.

1350
01:49:06,372 --> 01:49:08,332
You see this in Silicon Valley.

1351
01:49:08,332 --> 01:49:15,232
What can I do to, you know, biohack and, you know, stay up for three days straight and code or stay up and do this.

1352
01:49:15,432 --> 01:49:21,212
So people are already using the shortcuts, which are absolutely detrimental to your health.

1353
01:49:22,132 --> 01:49:22,872
It's meth.

1354
01:49:22,972 --> 01:49:24,592
Like these kids are getting addicted to meth.

1355
01:49:24,672 --> 01:49:26,032
Like what's his name?

1356
01:49:26,132 --> 01:49:30,612
Sam, the bankman fraud was addicted to that shit.

1357
01:49:30,792 --> 01:49:36,432
And so, you know, people are taking, they're just programmed to take shortcuts.

1358
01:49:36,432 --> 01:49:55,892
And, and I hope, you know, for the sake of just there's everyone's love and souls that we don't totally just turn into, um, idiocracy, you know, and, and have people like just glued to their TVs or just plugged in because they've got their implant in their brain.

1359
01:49:55,892 --> 01:50:23,092
And I mean, think about it. If you're a kid, right. Or you're a young man for, you know, I have so much empathy for men. And you have to go out in the world and compete against all these other people, places and things that are way more powerful than you. And somebody says, Hey, I got this little chip. You just got to put it under your, you know, your right temple or your arm or whatever. And it's going to give you access to the entire internet.

1360
01:50:23,092 --> 01:50:27,372
at, you know, you can blink your eye and have the answers to everything and you can out

1361
01:50:27,372 --> 01:50:32,492
compete your peers and your competitors and you can make a lot of money doing that.

1362
01:50:32,572 --> 01:50:33,292
Would you want to do it?

1363
01:50:33,992 --> 01:50:37,052
And the kid's sitting there with his fucked up shoes.

1364
01:50:37,312 --> 01:50:38,552
He's eating top ramen.

1365
01:50:38,672 --> 01:50:39,152
He's hungry.

1366
01:50:39,272 --> 01:50:40,892
He's like, yeah, hook me up.

1367
01:50:41,772 --> 01:50:44,032
Do you know how many people are going to be getting hooked up?

1368
01:50:44,032 --> 01:50:47,812
And so it's just like, of course, they're going to do the shortest of shortcuts.

1369
01:50:48,072 --> 01:50:51,132
And now they're slaves to this giant blob.

1370
01:50:51,132 --> 01:51:01,652
So it's something to watch out for, especially as parents, you know, and I don't know how to protect my kids from this because they're older now, you know, they don't listen to mommy.

1371
01:51:03,232 --> 01:51:04,232
I don't know.

1372
01:51:04,352 --> 01:51:05,432
What are your thoughts on that?

1373
01:51:06,528 --> 01:51:13,228
Well, not quite a chip, but there was a Bradley Cooper movie from 10 years ago, I think.

1374
01:51:14,368 --> 01:51:15,628
It's called Limitless.

1375
01:51:15,628 --> 01:51:16,148
Limitless.

1376
01:51:16,388 --> 01:51:16,748
Yeah.

1377
01:51:16,948 --> 01:51:17,428
Limitless.

1378
01:51:17,608 --> 01:51:18,328
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1379
01:51:18,328 --> 01:51:20,708
Remember that NZT or whatever that thing was?

1380
01:51:21,088 --> 01:51:21,928
Hell yeah.

1381
01:51:22,288 --> 01:51:22,808
Yeah.

1382
01:51:23,128 --> 01:51:23,408
Yeah.

1383
01:51:24,608 --> 01:51:26,228
That's exactly what it is.

1384
01:51:26,228 --> 01:51:35,168
And it's not a chemical, obviously, but this will be, you know, we're having a small version of that, again, with the kids on the Adderall and everything.

1385
01:51:35,168 --> 01:51:42,008
And then they're just, it's so hard to envision a bright future too.

1386
01:51:42,268 --> 01:51:46,968
And this is where I, you know, I talk about Bitcoin and mental health a lot, because if

1387
01:51:46,968 --> 01:51:52,088
you don't have hope for the future, you know, you get into that apathetic state, right?

1388
01:51:52,188 --> 01:51:56,968
And well, I better just do something good for me now because I need to eat today.

1389
01:51:57,128 --> 01:51:59,448
So you're not sitting there saying, yeah, I'm going to hodl.

1390
01:51:59,568 --> 01:52:01,908
It's like, no, I need to feed the screaming kid here.

1391
01:52:02,268 --> 01:52:03,488
I'm going to do whatever I have to.

1392
01:52:03,488 --> 01:52:12,708
And so because the fiat system is so messed up, it's creating these short term thinkers because it's a survival mechanism.

1393
01:52:12,928 --> 01:52:16,068
It's not their fault. It's not anyone's fault. You know, it's the system.

1394
01:52:16,288 --> 01:52:24,948
And so when it continues to get even more messed up, which we see every day, people are going to take more drastic measures to survive.

1395
01:52:24,948 --> 01:52:32,788
You know, and sometimes that might be implanting yourself with a chip or taking a drug that you think you can get some superpowers for 36 hours from.

1396
01:52:33,488 --> 01:52:37,788
Well, that's why we're building the parallel city, Val, right?

1397
01:52:38,028 --> 01:52:40,168
This is the escape hatch.

1398
01:52:41,088 --> 01:52:44,968
And maybe if we're successful, well, not maybe, when we're successful,

1399
01:52:45,888 --> 01:52:52,668
our children's children won't have to eat bugs and get a chip implant.

1400
01:52:53,328 --> 01:52:55,588
And they could just exit as we did.

1401
01:52:56,108 --> 01:52:59,088
I want to have a Star Trek future, not a Terminator future.

1402
01:52:59,088 --> 01:53:03,068
I think, I don't know, Elon or Peter Diamandis talks about that.

1403
01:53:03,068 --> 01:53:14,068
And I think it's up to us, you know, and I mean, I pray for people to stay grounded in love and keep moving forward, you know, but it is scary out there.

1404
01:53:14,308 --> 01:53:22,128
It is definitely like the headlines are really making people angry and doing things that aren't in alignment with who they really are as humans.

1405
01:53:23,728 --> 01:53:31,188
So, so hopefully some music and some good things and art will inspire them and remind them who they are and why they're here.

1406
01:53:31,188 --> 01:53:32,928
that is the plan

1407
01:53:32,928 --> 01:53:46,596
yeah that why we chipping away yeah well so well I know we been going close to two hours now so we should wrap up Any last things you want to point people to us

1408
01:53:46,676 --> 01:53:49,596
Obviously, you talked about the opera, the cypher opera.

1409
01:53:49,756 --> 01:53:51,176
No longer the cyber opera.

1410
01:53:51,376 --> 01:53:52,556
It's got an upgrade.

1411
01:53:53,596 --> 01:53:55,096
Yeah, it's gotten remixed.

1412
01:53:55,236 --> 01:53:56,416
It's going to keep getting remixed.

1413
01:53:56,496 --> 01:53:57,376
It's got some more work.

1414
01:53:57,616 --> 01:53:58,816
And it's so beautiful.

1415
01:53:59,016 --> 01:54:01,936
I'm so grateful to get to participate in this.

1416
01:54:01,936 --> 01:54:08,456
And yeah, I mean, we'll have, you know, just follow me on wherever X or Noster at DJ Valerie

1417
01:54:08,456 --> 01:54:08,876
be love.

1418
01:54:09,156 --> 01:54:14,136
And I'll be posting stuff in the future once we get, you know, we'll probably do a geyser

1419
01:54:14,136 --> 01:54:18,836
fund, you know, but we're going to be doing like an art jam, kind of like a, like a hackathon

1420
01:54:18,836 --> 01:54:19,536
for artists.

1421
01:54:19,536 --> 01:54:24,716
So we want to have different Bitcoin musicians and different Bitcoin artists and video people.

1422
01:54:24,956 --> 01:54:26,516
And maybe you're a performer.

1423
01:54:26,516 --> 01:54:31,716
So we want to start thinking about kind of casting for the human element of this.

1424
01:54:31,716 --> 01:54:35,856
because that's going to be cool. So I'm not sure we were looking at March maybe, but I think we'll

1425
01:54:35,856 --> 01:54:41,736
probably kick it down a couple more months. Um, but yeah, I think, you know, stay tuned on, on all

1426
01:54:41,736 --> 01:54:48,376
that and just stay love. And, you know, if you guys know anybody who needs help with psychedelic

1427
01:54:48,376 --> 01:54:53,616
integration and some coaching, that's what I'm really focusing on right now for my, my business

1428
01:54:53,616 --> 01:55:00,796
is, uh, just helping people really who's come out of hell basically and remodel their lives.

1429
01:55:00,796 --> 01:55:08,216
And that's something that's very important to me to help people through, you know, from a spiritual lens with these 11 areas.

1430
01:55:08,336 --> 01:55:10,076
And of course, Bitcoin is included in there.

1431
01:55:10,256 --> 01:55:25,836
So that's one thing I've learned over the last, oh, my God, only 56, like 40, no, 37 years of my work, my spiritual work and personal growth is like things are not connected a lot of times in our lives.

1432
01:55:25,836 --> 01:55:34,456
And I think that creates a lot of overwhelm because like your business isn't talking to your kids, isn't talking to your spirit, isn't talking to your health.

1433
01:55:34,616 --> 01:55:41,136
And so you're trying to solve for all these problems and they don't take the other parts of your life into consideration.

1434
01:55:41,456 --> 01:55:44,136
And so a lot of times, you know, your life is a system.

1435
01:55:44,236 --> 01:55:48,016
Obviously, if you're not paying attention to one area, it can bring your whole system down.

1436
01:55:48,116 --> 01:55:50,816
And that's happened to me a couple of times in my life.

1437
01:55:50,856 --> 01:55:53,236
And and I don't want that to happen to other people.

1438
01:55:53,236 --> 01:55:58,776
So that's kind of where my mission is right now is to help people recover from, from really

1439
01:55:58,776 --> 01:55:59,696
tough times.

1440
01:56:00,036 --> 01:56:01,956
So, so yeah.

1441
01:56:02,196 --> 01:56:05,756
And I specifically love working with moms.

1442
01:56:06,316 --> 01:56:17,204
You know I work with different people but moms are like my favorite to work with because obviously they don get a lot of support in a lot of ways And I know your wife works with a lot of different wonderful people

1443
01:56:17,384 --> 01:56:18,964
So give her a hug for me, will you?

1444
01:56:19,624 --> 01:56:19,984
Absolutely.

1445
01:56:22,064 --> 01:56:27,964
Yeah, I think it was really fun hanging out in, when was the last time all of us hung out, Val?

1446
01:56:27,964 --> 01:56:32,284
I know I might have seen you probably sometime last year, but Madera?

1447
01:56:32,524 --> 01:56:33,244
It couldn't have been Madera.

1448
01:56:33,244 --> 01:56:34,604
Madera, yeah, it was in Madera.

1449
01:56:34,904 --> 01:56:35,004
Oh my God.

1450
01:56:35,004 --> 01:56:35,584
Oh my God.

1451
01:56:35,584 --> 01:56:43,164
But see, that to me, that's where I've got to like rally myself and get myself back there when they do Bitcoin Atlantis too.

1452
01:56:43,264 --> 01:56:43,984
That's going to be great.

1453
01:56:44,504 --> 01:56:45,804
Oh, yeah, for sure.

1454
01:56:45,884 --> 01:56:47,964
But I just can't believe it's almost been two years.

1455
01:56:48,044 --> 01:56:51,044
I mean, that was March, actually late February of 2024.

1456
01:56:51,384 --> 01:56:52,684
So it's been almost two years.

1457
01:56:53,384 --> 01:56:53,964
It's crazy.

1458
01:56:53,964 --> 01:56:54,464
Kind of wild.

1459
01:56:55,664 --> 01:57:00,404
These two years, literally, like they've been really painful and they've gone by really quick.

1460
01:57:00,484 --> 01:57:01,364
So I'm like, yeah, goodbye.

1461
01:57:01,364 --> 01:57:09,964
but yeah a lot has happened man so much so I'm looking forward to seeing you again too Avi and

1462
01:57:09,964 --> 01:57:14,604
thanks for having me I really really appreciate the time and I'm so glad you're out there spreading

1463
01:57:14,604 --> 01:57:19,724
the good vibes and create building the future yeah that's got to do it but by the way Val and

1464
01:57:19,724 --> 01:57:26,404
we can chat more about this soon but I just wanted to say it on air as well everything you're doing

1465
01:57:26,404 --> 01:57:29,624
I want to put you in touch with this guy, Dion Wilson.

1466
01:57:29,884 --> 01:57:31,744
I'm helping him out with Bitcoin for the Arts.

1467
01:57:32,104 --> 01:57:34,724
I know you got tagged on a Noster note,

1468
01:57:34,844 --> 01:57:38,784
which was unfortunately inarticulately phrased,

1469
01:57:39,144 --> 01:57:40,724
the note itself, because it used the word crypto.

1470
01:57:41,544 --> 01:57:42,524
I'm involved in that project.

1471
01:57:42,524 --> 01:57:42,664
Oh, good.

1472
01:57:42,764 --> 01:57:43,184
Okay, yes.

1473
01:57:43,244 --> 01:57:44,364
Please put me in touch with him.

1474
01:57:44,464 --> 01:57:45,644
Yeah, there's no crypto there.

1475
01:57:45,804 --> 01:57:47,284
It must have been some glitch.

1476
01:57:47,524 --> 01:57:48,444
There's no crypto there.

1477
01:57:48,784 --> 01:57:50,404
He said he was like, my AI wrote it.

1478
01:57:50,404 --> 01:57:53,184
And I was like, okay, well, here's a note to stealth.

1479
01:57:55,504 --> 01:57:56,164
Okay, cool.

1480
01:57:56,164 --> 01:58:01,164
yeah please put me in touch with him that'd be super yeah awesome yeah that'd be great a

1481
01:58:01,164 --> 01:58:06,464
collaborator for the opera like how fun he's a broadway guy by the way he and speaking of lion

1482
01:58:06,464 --> 01:58:12,964
king he was a dancer on lion king he had no way oh my gosh heck yes okay cool yeah yeah yeah put

1483
01:58:12,964 --> 01:58:18,064
me in touch for sure and that will be a nice a nice hello um thank you so much that would be great

1484
01:58:18,064 --> 01:58:25,884
awesome um yay well thanks avi yeah of course uh thank you val and thank you to our

1485
01:58:25,884 --> 01:58:32,464
live stream audience for listening and for the zaps yeah thanks for zapping the artist you guys

1486
01:58:32,464 --> 01:58:50,552
that so cool and it so great keep keep the zaps flowing for sure uh and now a look ahead at the next couple of weeks so when i expanded pleb chain radio earlier this year the vision was always to bring different curators to this table So starting next week that becomes reality

1487
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So next Sunday, I'm handing the keys of the studio over to Open Mike,

1488
01:58:56,832 --> 01:58:59,872
who will step into the host chair to drive the session.

1489
01:59:00,472 --> 01:59:05,532
And then the Sunday after that, Aaron of Essex takes the controls,

1490
01:59:05,532 --> 01:59:09,692
and he has a banger lined up with Longhi as his guest.

1491
01:59:10,252 --> 01:59:14,152
I'll be tuning in right alongside you for both of these.

1492
01:59:14,312 --> 01:59:17,072
They promise to be absolute beauties.

1493
01:59:17,072 --> 01:59:20,572
And if you're listening to this as a recorded episode

1494
01:59:20,572 --> 01:59:24,252
and this session added a little flavor to your day,

1495
01:59:24,912 --> 01:59:29,492
if it helped you reset, relax, or discover a new favorite track,

1496
01:59:30,072 --> 01:59:31,872
please consider returning the value.

1497
01:59:32,612 --> 01:59:34,872
Check your podcast app right now.

1498
01:59:34,872 --> 01:59:39,252
If you're streaming sets, you just helped an independent musician get paid.

1499
01:59:39,712 --> 01:59:42,852
If you want to help keep this table open for next week,

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01:59:43,272 --> 01:59:46,412
hit that boost button or subscribe on Fountain.

1501
01:59:46,872 --> 01:59:50,032
You are the producers of this vibe.

1502
01:59:50,592 --> 01:59:55,952
And speaking of producers, the final word goes to the executive producer of this episode,

1503
01:59:56,252 --> 01:59:59,292
and that's the top booster from last week.

1504
01:59:59,532 --> 02:00:04,152
If you want to claim this spot next Sunday and have your message read over the air,

1505
02:00:04,152 --> 02:00:10,692
you know what to do. Check the leaderboard. This week, the EP chair belongs to Shadrach,

1506
02:00:11,192 --> 02:00:18,532
coming in with a beautifully symmetric 9393, that's 9,393 sats, who says,

1507
02:00:19,152 --> 02:00:24,252
thank you both so much for your integrity and mission. Music is powerful medicine,

1508
02:00:24,532 --> 02:00:29,532
and the factories that produce it like to fiddle with the recipe. Get it from the source,

1509
02:00:29,532 --> 02:00:33,832
shake your musician's hand and tell them what it means to you

1510
02:00:33,832 --> 02:00:42,972
hashtag 40 hpw headphone emoji thank you shadrach roger that the next musician i meet

1511
02:00:42,972 --> 02:00:50,532
will find their hand thoroughly shaken until next sunday folks it's happy monday through saturday

1512
02:00:50,532 --> 02:00:51,352
farewell

1513
02:00:59,532 --> 02:01:29,512
Thank you.