1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,740 That was Disco Girl by Ben Kai. 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:05,060 And you're right, Oscar. 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:10,780 It's one of those relaxed Sunday driving songs. 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:15,520 You get into the car, you're going to, I don't know, the mall or something. 5 00:00:16,240 --> 00:00:19,500 So a 10 or 15 minute drive and you turn the song on. 6 00:00:19,500 --> 00:00:22,580 And the drive passes quickly and easily. 7 00:00:25,980 --> 00:00:27,980 Yeah, yeah, that's why I like it. 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:37,100 so sundays we were talking about your typical sunday oscar like watching a bit of football 9 00:00:37,100 --> 00:00:42,080 maybe going to the pub what does sunday brunch look like 10 00:00:42,740 --> 00:00:58,000 um sunday brunch sunday brunch probably um going to a caf to avoid having to to cook on a sunday 11 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:03,100 and getting some, you know, just some nice healthy breakfast 12 00:01:03,100 --> 00:01:04,580 and just chilling out. 13 00:01:06,660 --> 00:01:07,080 Yeah. 14 00:01:08,180 --> 00:01:09,820 Are you much of a cook? 15 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,020 Not really, no, not really. 16 00:01:13,220 --> 00:01:17,180 I would love to be, but I'm just not too, 17 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:22,080 I don't have the creative ability to come up with interesting things. 18 00:01:22,180 --> 00:01:23,860 But there's a few things I can cook. 19 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,840 I can cook a good, I'm all right with Thai food. 20 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:33,540 So Thai curry, you know, pad thai, stuff like that. 21 00:01:33,780 --> 00:01:36,640 But other than that, not really too much. 22 00:01:38,900 --> 00:01:43,820 How come? Is that something self-taught or did you spend some time in Thailand? 23 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,420 I spent some time in Thailand, yeah. 24 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:52,160 I've been a few times over the years, but yeah, love Thai food, love the country. 25 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:58,440 I actually went just before COVID lockdown. 26 00:01:58,900 --> 00:02:09,040 That was, yeah, I went there to do some Muay Thai training with a friend of mine who lived out there. 27 00:02:10,060 --> 00:02:13,480 And yeah, it was a really cool experience. 28 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,720 And then it was literally on the way back. 29 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:24,200 I remember COVID was kicking off and people were already wearing masks in the airport and stuff. 30 00:02:24,500 --> 00:02:29,400 So kind of a shame I didn't get locked down in Thailand and had to come back to London. 31 00:02:32,500 --> 00:02:33,060 Yeah. 32 00:02:34,420 --> 00:02:43,360 I think the lockdowns were brief but brutal out in that part of the world, if I remember correctly. 33 00:02:45,020 --> 00:02:47,400 Do you mean in Thailand? 34 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:48,660 In Southeast Asia, yeah. 35 00:02:48,720 --> 00:03:02,900 Yeah, I'm not sure, to be honest. I don't think they went on as long as the UK, although we were more of a stop and start lockdown here in London. 36 00:03:06,500 --> 00:03:13,400 Oscar, we were talking earlier about football, and you're actually a pretty good football player, amateur football player. 37 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:23,220 I've seen you play as I said that uh that day in Madeira um what what happened with the with the 38 00:03:23,220 --> 00:03:30,140 aspiring well actually was there ever an aspiring football career and if so what happened 39 00:03:30,140 --> 00:03:38,760 not really no not really I played a lot as a kid as I said I played at uh Highbury the Arsenal 40 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:44,300 stadium but that wasn't really like a kind of precursor to the actual arsenal team it was more 41 00:03:44,300 --> 00:03:49,780 just like a summer thing for like kids in the local area so i don't think there was ever a you 42 00:03:49,780 --> 00:03:54,820 know i wasn't ever that good at football it's more i actually more just enjoy it as a hobby just 43 00:03:54,820 --> 00:04:01,200 because it's a lot of fun you get to play with your friends and it's kind of if you compare it to 44 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:10,900 other exercise like running or swimming or going to the gym or anything like that 45 00:04:10,900 --> 00:04:19,500 it's I find football is more it's easier to totally switch off your brain if you're going 46 00:04:19,500 --> 00:04:25,060 for a run you might be mulling over some problem that you need to deal with or if you're in the gym 47 00:04:25,060 --> 00:04:31,140 you might um you know receive a text from somebody that you look at in between a set 48 00:04:31,140 --> 00:04:38,360 um whereas if you're playing football there's just nothing to think about and it's very fun 49 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:47,380 it's competitive it's a team sport and yeah also it's you know it's football I love watching 50 00:04:47,380 --> 00:04:51,860 football as well so it's linked to something that you watch as well and a team that you follow so 51 00:04:51,860 --> 00:04:56,440 So yeah, it's more just something that I've done later in life. 52 00:04:57,740 --> 00:05:03,080 I think the advantage with playing it as a hobby is you don't have to go through, you 53 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:03,840 don't have to train. 54 00:05:04,840 --> 00:05:05,440 Yeah, exactly. 55 00:05:06,140 --> 00:05:17,062 And therefore avoid the injury stuff that happens to so many football players Because I mean it the training It just takes a toll on the body right 56 00:05:18,102 --> 00:05:18,882 Yeah, exactly. 57 00:05:18,882 --> 00:05:22,122 And, yeah, if you're just playing with mates, you know, 58 00:05:22,262 --> 00:05:25,982 five a side, eight a side, whatever it is, then it's much more chill. 59 00:05:26,262 --> 00:05:29,942 And, you know, occasionally you'll come across a team or a player 60 00:05:29,942 --> 00:05:36,202 that, you know, is a bit too aggressive, but mostly you can avoid injury. 61 00:05:37,762 --> 00:05:46,462 so have you lived in london for most of your life yeah pretty much yeah pretty much my whole life 62 00:05:46,462 --> 00:05:56,142 how would you say london has changed in the last five or ten years i mean i guess pre-pandemic 63 00:05:56,142 --> 00:06:03,182 immediately post-pandemic and now and and the reason i'm asking is i you know living in america 64 00:06:03,182 --> 00:06:05,982 you read all sorts of 65 00:06:05,982 --> 00:06:07,382 things in the media 66 00:06:07,382 --> 00:06:09,282 about things that are happening in the UK 67 00:06:09,282 --> 00:06:10,542 things that are happening in London 68 00:06:10,542 --> 00:06:13,682 and I visited London 69 00:06:13,682 --> 00:06:15,302 for the first time in 20 years 70 00:06:15,302 --> 00:06:19,262 I met you in Manchester 71 00:06:19,262 --> 00:06:20,242 but it was that trip 72 00:06:20,242 --> 00:06:22,142 I was in London for a couple of days 73 00:06:22,142 --> 00:06:23,482 before that 74 00:06:23,482 --> 00:06:25,162 and I loved it 75 00:06:25,162 --> 00:06:27,782 the food was great 76 00:06:27,782 --> 00:06:28,822 it wasn't too expensive 77 00:06:28,822 --> 00:06:30,022 especially coming from New York 78 00:06:30,022 --> 00:06:31,622 things were half the price 79 00:06:31,622 --> 00:06:38,962 really high quality the transit system i mean largely worked like a charm 80 00:06:38,962 --> 00:06:50,042 things looked clean for the most part uh i mean you know i went in with one image based on what 81 00:06:50,042 --> 00:06:55,142 i'd been reading in the news and found something completely different i was pleasantly surprised 82 00:06:55,142 --> 00:06:59,182 how have you found the evolution of london in the last few years 83 00:06:59,182 --> 00:07:06,702 yeah it's a great question um i mean i would agree i'm glad you had that experience because i 84 00:07:06,702 --> 00:07:14,522 i do agree that there is this kind of like you know portrayal of the decline of london that you 85 00:07:14,522 --> 00:07:23,062 see on uh social media um because that's what you know gets attention on these uh social media 86 00:07:23,062 --> 00:07:28,782 algorithms these days but it's not the case and obviously there are issues in london like there 87 00:07:28,782 --> 00:07:37,062 are issues in any western city whether that's you know homelessness um or you know drug addiction 88 00:07:37,062 --> 00:07:42,362 and stuff but that exists in every city and actually compared to somewhere like you know 89 00:07:42,362 --> 00:07:49,622 san francisco the situation in london is you know a million times better so yeah i i think it's it's 90 00:07:49,622 --> 00:07:55,402 it's pretty good um it's it's an amazing place it's there's so much going on here you've got the 91 00:07:55,402 --> 00:08:03,762 history which is amazing um there's so much to see so much to learn about um and yeah great food 92 00:08:03,762 --> 00:08:09,302 there's lots to do so yeah i love it here i've lived here my whole life and this this narrative 93 00:08:09,302 --> 00:08:16,662 that london has become you know like a terrible place to live is just in my view it's totally 94 00:08:16,662 --> 00:08:22,942 false there are a lot of issues here um that there are and we need to deal with those issues and 95 00:08:22,942 --> 00:08:29,802 you know the people in charge here are uh not doing a good enough job but the narrative that 96 00:08:29,802 --> 00:08:35,822 london is kind of this terrible place is totally false so i'd encourage anyone to come here and 97 00:08:35,822 --> 00:08:40,842 yeah i'll take you around and show you the place i think the other thing that i would say though 98 00:08:40,842 --> 00:08:49,962 is and it's and it links all the way back to um bitcoin really is that the in the uk 99 00:08:49,962 --> 00:08:58,202 there is a cost of living crisis and everything is very very expensive and the salaries 100 00:08:58,202 --> 00:09:06,182 have not gone up um outside of a very few you know select industries um like the tech industry 101 00:09:06,182 --> 00:09:13,842 salaries have not you know gone up at all so i i get the sense that many people in london 102 00:09:13,842 --> 00:09:23,362 are struggling um financially because of the cost of food the cost of just living and the cost of 103 00:09:23,362 --> 00:09:29,942 you know energy so i'd say that is one thing that i notice people just seem to be a little bit more 104 00:09:29,942 --> 00:09:35,982 kind of like on edge and stressed um so i'd say that's the biggest change but overall it's still 105 00:09:35,982 --> 00:09:43,162 a great place to live and yeah come and visit it's interesting you talk about the cost of living 106 00:09:43,162 --> 00:09:50,722 uh and i did get that sense from just from taxi drivers uh when i was taking ubers there but 107 00:09:50,722 --> 00:09:58,442 the funny thing was what i found going to restaurants both in london and manchester and 108 00:09:58,442 --> 00:10:05,842 you know we'd had as we do when bitcoiners tend to meet we tend to have fairly uh 109 00:10:05,842 --> 00:10:08,242 you know, elaborate meals, let's just say. 110 00:10:09,702 --> 00:10:13,782 And I, well, I mean, during conferences, right, 111 00:10:13,802 --> 00:10:15,162 we tend to let go a little bit. 112 00:10:15,522 --> 00:10:17,922 And I'd look at the bill at the end, 113 00:10:18,162 --> 00:10:38,324 and it would be it far less than what it was in New York Close to half the food especially Even the Ubers were about 20 30 cheaper This mind you factoring in the fact that the pound was when I was there 114 00:10:38,624 --> 00:10:41,904 factoring all of that in, compared to New York at least, 115 00:10:42,464 --> 00:10:44,484 it felt a lot, food was almost half, 116 00:10:45,024 --> 00:10:47,844 taxis and other things were 20, 30% cheaper. 117 00:10:47,844 --> 00:10:56,764 and in fact we had friends shortly after i got back from london had friends from the uk visit 118 00:10:56,764 --> 00:11:02,944 and we spent a couple of days in new york and they were just saying this is insane how do people live 119 00:11:02,944 --> 00:11:10,904 with this cost of living um so that is a that is curious that and and perhaps that that has to do 120 00:11:10,904 --> 00:11:17,104 as you said oscar with salaries not going up more than anything else yeah i i think it i think it is 121 00:11:17,104 --> 00:11:23,964 the salaries i think if you look at the equivalent salaries in the u.s you know it may be maybe food 122 00:11:23,964 --> 00:11:31,744 uh and and the stuff you mentioned is you know 20 30 cheaper but if you look at equivalent salaries 123 00:11:31,744 --> 00:11:39,464 in the u.s they're you know way more than 20 30 percent um so i think it's just that yeah many 124 00:11:39,464 --> 00:11:46,904 people in the uk just that the costs have just massively outpaced their salary growth over the 125 00:11:46,904 --> 00:11:53,424 past you know five ten years and that's why people it's subtle but that's why people just feel 126 00:11:53,424 --> 00:11:57,364 uh in a in a difficult position 127 00:11:57,364 --> 00:12:07,564 and london has the cypher monk house that was one of the high points of my trip i just 128 00:12:07,564 --> 00:12:15,604 i i loved visiting that place yeah in in an only i got yelled at for for just uh disclosing the 129 00:12:15,604 --> 00:12:21,504 location on a previous podcast so in an undisclosed location in a beautiful part well i think i'm 130 00:12:21,504 --> 00:12:29,444 allowed to say bloomsbury um bloomsbury clerkenwell area which is a very nice part of london 131 00:12:29,444 --> 00:12:39,744 southern london um and it's this beautiful four-story victorian home um and and you know 132 00:12:39,744 --> 00:12:41,584 the BitConers have taken it over. 133 00:12:42,184 --> 00:12:43,964 It's mostly an art space. 134 00:12:44,304 --> 00:12:46,464 They do have a little bit of co-working 135 00:12:46,464 --> 00:12:50,864 and they have workshops on Lightning, Noster, and what have you. 136 00:12:52,584 --> 00:12:53,804 So if anyone's in London, 137 00:12:53,884 --> 00:12:55,984 they should definitely check out the Cypher Monk House. 138 00:12:56,364 --> 00:12:58,224 Is that something you've looked into, Oscar? 139 00:12:58,684 --> 00:13:00,924 Well, first of all, have you visited the Cypher Monk House, 140 00:13:00,984 --> 00:13:01,504 being in London? 141 00:13:01,904 --> 00:13:05,544 But secondly, given that there is that potential element of co-working, 142 00:13:05,544 --> 00:13:09,564 have you thought about doing some of the fountain, 143 00:13:09,744 --> 00:13:15,944 work from there and that'll be there's a nice osmosis with the other bitcoin and nosta companies 144 00:13:15,944 --> 00:13:22,104 that are operating out of there as well yeah i actually haven't been uh i feel bad saying it but 145 00:13:22,104 --> 00:13:26,164 it's been one thing on my list for a while definitely need to get down there so yeah 146 00:13:26,164 --> 00:13:32,024 hopefully hopefully you can do so soon i know they they have like regular meetups there and stuff but 147 00:13:32,024 --> 00:13:41,784 yeah i haven't actually been down and this do you work out of home or i think i heard you say you 148 00:13:41,784 --> 00:13:48,364 have fountain has an office space or yeah we have space yeah we have a we have an office space in a 149 00:13:48,364 --> 00:13:58,404 in a co-working in in central london how many people are on fountain now yeah so we are uh 150 00:13:58,404 --> 00:14:10,124 Four full-time people and we have one person that helps us part-time, you know, two days a week, particularly on the music side, actually. 151 00:14:11,204 --> 00:14:20,644 So, yeah, small team, but we feel like we have, you know, we have the team in place to do what we want to do this year. 152 00:14:20,644 --> 00:14:26,524 And obviously the hosting part of what we do was a big change last year. 153 00:14:26,524 --> 00:14:36,244 um dovidas from rss blue joined us and uh he's been an amazing addition to the team and has um 154 00:14:36,244 --> 00:14:43,804 you know helped us make this transition into also uh serving content creators directly with our 155 00:14:43,804 --> 00:14:48,824 hosting product um and and we knew that would be the case because we've worked with him for many 156 00:14:48,824 --> 00:14:58,104 years but um yeah that's been a big change and we're I feel like in 2025 that was our main focus 157 00:14:58,104 --> 00:15:05,224 was you know designing building launching and you know onboarding our first customers on the hosting 158 00:15:05,224 --> 00:15:12,464 side we've done that now and um it's really good to go into 2026 with that kind of baseline 159 00:15:12,464 --> 00:15:22,624 product and now we can you know start thinking about more exciting new features on the listener 160 00:15:22,624 --> 00:15:30,884 side because ultimately you that's what you want you want people that don't care about bitcoin or 161 00:15:30,884 --> 00:15:48,346 the technical fundamentals of NOSTA just to come to an app like Fountain because it an amazing listening experience And in 2025 although we released a whole bunch of really really I think 162 00:15:48,906 --> 00:15:55,046 solid quality of life improvements to the Fountain app, we were more focused on hosting. 163 00:15:55,046 --> 00:15:57,946 So yeah, excited for this, yeah. 164 00:15:57,946 --> 00:16:10,626 yep likewise uh so oscar well let's move on to your last song and this is hosanna by 165 00:16:10,626 --> 00:16:19,486 what is the artist's name yeah uh i'm not 100 on this pronunciation but this song is hosanna by 166 00:16:19,486 --> 00:16:30,026 Banzi Banero and yeah the reason that I picked this song this is quite an old one it's it's hosted on 167 00:16:30,026 --> 00:16:39,846 Wavelake and I think it was one of the early tracks that was uploaded to Wavelake and it just 168 00:16:39,846 --> 00:16:49,786 happened to be when we were first working on um the music features in the fountain app 169 00:16:49,786 --> 00:16:58,326 there was a very small selection of music available i think wave lake had just um kind of launched 170 00:16:58,326 --> 00:17:06,486 their you know their kind of artist upload feature there are a few um independent 171 00:17:06,486 --> 00:17:13,646 music feeds out there self-hosted feeds out there but there was very little music 172 00:17:13,646 --> 00:17:21,826 available to actually test the development of the music player and the music features in the 173 00:17:21,826 --> 00:17:29,426 fountain app and this was just one of the songs that I came across and really loved the song it 174 00:17:29,426 --> 00:17:33,946 was a song that didn't really get boring I could just listen to it again and again 175 00:17:33,946 --> 00:17:37,346 similar to the Disco Girl song 176 00:17:37,346 --> 00:17:39,106 it gave me like a certain energy 177 00:17:39,106 --> 00:17:40,926 but not a relaxed energy 178 00:17:40,926 --> 00:17:41,726 kind of like a 179 00:17:41,726 --> 00:17:42,666 you know 180 00:17:42,666 --> 00:17:44,866 an energetic energy 181 00:17:44,866 --> 00:17:46,606 and yeah 182 00:17:46,606 --> 00:17:47,446 I just think it's 183 00:17:47,446 --> 00:17:48,386 it's a great 184 00:17:48,386 --> 00:17:49,206 great song 185 00:17:49,206 --> 00:17:50,666 it's a fun song 186 00:17:50,666 --> 00:17:51,206 and 187 00:17:51,206 --> 00:17:52,266 yeah 188 00:17:52,266 --> 00:17:54,686 I think everyone will enjoy it 189 00:17:54,686 --> 00:17:57,086 well let's give it a listen 190 00:17:57,086 --> 00:17:58,486 this is Hosanna 191 00:17:58,486 --> 00:18:00,446 by Banzi Bonero 192 00:18:03,946 --> 00:18:33,926 I 193 00:18:33,946 --> 00:18:36,566 I'm not getting here. 194 00:18:36,886 --> 00:18:38,306 I'm not getting here. 195 00:18:39,106 --> 00:18:41,486 I'm not getting here. 196 00:18:41,486 --> 00:18:43,666 I'm not getting here. 197 00:18:44,026 --> 00:18:45,426 I'm not getting here. 198 00:18:45,786 --> 00:18:48,886 My voices in my head telling me to surrender. 199 00:18:49,286 --> 00:18:52,506 If I should surrender, water go chop, oh my brother. 200 00:18:52,886 --> 00:18:56,026 Inky, tiki, tiki, I dream many days, but we never say never. 201 00:18:56,386 --> 00:18:59,706 Negative thoughts in my head saying make a justice like a war. 202 00:18:59,946 --> 00:19:01,506 Many things my eyes are seen. 203 00:19:01,766 --> 00:19:03,226 My mouth no the do complaining. 204 00:19:03,226 --> 00:19:05,026 I got wounds on my body I'm healing 205 00:19:05,026 --> 00:19:06,806 Spiritually battles I'm facing 206 00:19:06,806 --> 00:19:08,426 With a trap trap in the bandeau 207 00:19:08,426 --> 00:19:10,166 With a fight like Taekwondo 208 00:19:10,166 --> 00:19:11,946 Bruce Lee in the commando 209 00:19:11,946 --> 00:19:13,966 Now we see we fall a show 210 00:19:13,966 --> 00:19:15,806 Oh I keep hearing voices 211 00:19:15,806 --> 00:19:17,286 Weeding, weeding 212 00:19:17,286 --> 00:19:19,486 Asking me do I trust them 213 00:19:19,486 --> 00:19:20,706 Believe, believe 214 00:19:20,706 --> 00:19:22,446 Better this a dear 215 00:19:22,446 --> 00:19:24,306 T-Sera, Sera 216 00:19:24,306 --> 00:19:26,026 We not give you no brother 217 00:19:26,026 --> 00:19:27,846 No give you no brother 218 00:19:27,846 --> 00:19:30,526 Ozy, Ozy, Ozy 219 00:19:30,526 --> 00:19:31,886 Ozy, Ozy 220 00:19:31,886 --> 00:19:33,446 Oh, I'm not getting here. 221 00:19:33,706 --> 00:19:35,206 Oh, I'm not getting here. 222 00:19:36,106 --> 00:19:38,586 Oh, Z, O, Z, O, Z. 223 00:19:39,046 --> 00:19:40,546 Oh, I'm not getting here. 224 00:19:40,926 --> 00:19:42,286 Oh, I'm not getting here. 225 00:19:42,606 --> 00:19:44,126 Love me every day, they will stay change. 226 00:19:44,226 --> 00:19:45,926 Sometimes get up and change your seat. 227 00:19:46,186 --> 00:19:47,686 Watch who you call your homies. 228 00:19:47,766 --> 00:19:49,246 Cause some homies tend to zoom. 229 00:19:49,746 --> 00:19:51,106 Vampires on the roof, they walking. 230 00:19:51,386 --> 00:19:52,866 For your blood, they wanna be suffering. 231 00:19:53,286 --> 00:19:54,686 Are you praying or you joking? 232 00:19:55,126 --> 00:19:56,486 You praying or you joking? 233 00:19:56,826 --> 00:19:58,846 Where they sing melodies to kill our sorrows. 234 00:19:59,066 --> 00:20:00,666 Acts busy, we stand and toast. 235 00:20:00,666 --> 00:20:02,446 I realize we don't fold 236 00:20:02,446 --> 00:20:04,186 D2D will speed on the road 237 00:20:04,186 --> 00:20:05,786 Better days I get in there 238 00:20:05,786 --> 00:20:07,306 Yeah the best thing he knows 239 00:20:07,306 --> 00:20:09,006 Talk to me, you're listening 240 00:20:09,006 --> 00:20:10,886 Talk to me, I'm listening 241 00:20:10,886 --> 00:20:12,566 Why keep hearing voices 242 00:20:12,566 --> 00:20:14,166 Weeding, weeding 243 00:20:14,166 --> 00:20:16,346 Asking me do I trust them 244 00:20:16,346 --> 00:20:17,806 Believe, believe 245 00:20:17,806 --> 00:20:19,626 Better days I get in there 246 00:20:19,626 --> 00:20:21,086 He said, I said 247 00:20:21,086 --> 00:20:23,186 We not giving up with her 248 00:20:23,186 --> 00:20:25,266 No giving up with her 249 00:20:25,266 --> 00:20:27,446 Ozy, Ozy, Ozy 250 00:20:27,446 --> 00:20:28,766 Ozy, Ozy 251 00:20:28,766 --> 00:20:29,266 Ozy, Ozy 252 00:20:29,266 --> 00:20:50,986 Thank you.