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And we are live. Welcome to episode 28 of To the Unknown Pod. My name is Jordan Bush.

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I'm the executive director of TGFB Media. And today I'm joined by two of the Island Boys,

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Oshawa Hawthorne and Ryan Finley. I'll let you guys introduce yourself.

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Hey, all. Oshawa Hawthorne, founder of Brilliance Labs. We're a Christian startup

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incubator and we like to pursue solutions for problems being faced in in the world and we think

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bitcoin's one of those uh those creative solutions hey i'm ryan finley uh entrepreneur uh father of

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six and yeah it's good to be here good to have you back os how many kids do you have jordan

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I have five as of this as of two days ago.

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So we have my little daughter who shall remain unnamed for the sake of online privacy.

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She was born.

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We are thrilled that she joined us.

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It was a surprise.

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My wife loves to wait till the very end or wait till the birth to find out the gender.

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And so we forced her gender upon her at about 2.30 a.m. on Sunday.

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So, yeah, it was great.

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My, let's see, my older daughter, so my second oldest, caught the baby as was planned.

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So she did a great job.

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And then prior to the new baby, my youngest cut the umbilical cord when it was time.

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So he was a stud.

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The oldest was the first one to hold her.

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And then I can't remember what my middle guy, I can't remember what his responsibility was.

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Everybody, we had like division of responsibility.

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so uh mom and babe you're doing well grateful for for you guys and for your prayers um so we are

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here we are here for episode 28 uh can you believe can you even believe it episode 28 matt is still

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not with us matt is with his family uh touring around italy he's just enjoying spending some

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good time out there just having lots of fun i believe he'll be there for a total of a month

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which he's got to be i think he's only like we got another two months this guy my word so yeah

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He's out there having a good time.

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He should join us again soon.

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But we are, again, for those of you who this is your first time stumbling across this, where in the world are you?

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We basically, what we do is we spend time on Twitter every week.

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And so rather than just have those periods just disappear into the ether, we try to redeem the time.

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And so we use this podcast as, or these podcast episodes as a way to kind of debrief and talk about things that we found, especially thought-provoking or helpful.

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And so this week, episode 28, we're going to be talking about atomized individualism and subsidized injustice.

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There has been a ton of stories in the news that intersect with both of these topics.

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And so we're just going to jump right in here and chat about them.

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So the first thing we have is a poll from NBC News.

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I know this is, for those of you who are regular listeners, NBC News is probably not a source of news you were anticipating coming across, anticipating us referencing.

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But listen, we love to surprise.

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So here we are.

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A new NBC poll gave Gen Z a list of choices of how to define personal success.

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Men who backed Donald Trump in 2024 rated having children at the top.

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Women who backed Kamala Harris rated it second to last.

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Okay, so let's take a look at this thing here.

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So women who voted for Kamala Harris or voted Democrat, they've rated having a job or a career you find fulfilling as the most important criteria of their determining success.

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Men who voted for Harris, very similar.

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Women who voted for Trump, achieving financial independence was their top thing.

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And then men who voted for Trump, you know, voted on having children as a sign of success.

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This is wild.

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We can see down here marriage is number four among those who voted for Trump, men who voted for Trump.

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Women, we finally see it mentioned at number six, they're having children.

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It's down for men who voted for Harris.

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We have down at nine and ten have anything to do with marriage and having children.

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And for women who voted for Harris, you have it down at 11 and 12.

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Ash, this is one of the tweets that you shared.

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Why did this stick out to you?

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I mean, just wow. So first I would say it's like not surprising as, as like the difference there,

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but the, how extreme it is, how stark the contrast is. And so I spent some time thinking about it

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after I saw that. And I was on a call with a couple other Christians, a guy and a gal,

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a little older than me. And they were talking about their adult kids. And they both happen to

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have daughters. And they mentioned that, and their daughters are, I think, mid-30s,

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down like the mid to lower 20s.

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And I don't remember how many were married,

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but only like the minority of them were married

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and none of them had kids.

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So two different Christian grandparent age people

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with no grandkids and seven kids among the two of them.

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And it just struck me like, wow, okay, no grandkids.

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And I shared these stats.

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with them. And I said, well, okay, this like, this kind of, um, confirm some of this. And there

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was a, another poll that came out a couple of weeks ago or like a month ago about how, uh,

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today 12% of 30 old, 30 year olds are married and own their house versus something like 50%

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back in the fifties. And so, so I, I shared this and I said, Hey, this, this kind of connects to

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your experience, right? You have daughters, uh, and I don't know their political affiliations. I

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don't know even what their parenting styles were, but what I found most interesting is when they saw

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these stats, which kind of confirmed the experience that they had of their adult daughters, the reasons

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that they gave. So the first, the mom says, well, you know, when she says, when I was young,

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we didn't think twice ever. You just assumed you got married young and you started having kids.

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That was just what everyone did. And she says, well, now the younger generations realizes that

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they have a choice. They can kind of do different things with their life. They can pursue a career

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and it's just not assumed that they need to get married and have kids.

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And so that was her perspective was just, oh, they have options now.

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They've been liberated.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And she put a positive tone and a spin on that reality.

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And then the guy, the potential grandfather who wasn't a grandfather yet,

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he says, well, it's essentially, he says, it's the fascism.

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It's Donald Trump taking away people's freedom.

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And so, of course, no one wants to have kids and bring kids into the world in such a hostile environment.

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And that's the reason that he gave.

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Now, my...

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It was climate change and climate doomerism back in the 70s, remember?

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No, that's exactly what I...

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So my response was, I mean, like...

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It's always different.

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I said fear-mongering.

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We've had fear-mongering of why you shouldn't have kids my entire life.

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And exactly.

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You go through all the reasons.

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For a while, it was nuclear war.

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Then it was global warming.

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Then it was holes in the ozone layers.

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Acid rain.

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Yeah, acid rain, peak oil.

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I mean, it's overpopulation.

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It's like think of the animals.

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There's always been all this.

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And then it's the wrong parties in charge.

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So you got to like move, move to Canada.

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Or if you're Rosie O'Donnell, I think she went to Germany or something like you got to you got to go somewhere else if the wrong party's in charge.

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So that's obviously not the real reason.

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And so I'm curious if it's not about just more options and better options and bad politics.

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Why? Why are particularly progressive young women making this decision to not have kids and get married?

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i i just think you we want to we want to pretend like we're all very intelligent and smart and and

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that the environment that we're in and the you know the educational environment and the music

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you listen to and the media you consume in the movies you consume like we want to act like we

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can totally separate separate and parse those things out and the reality is that you cannot

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like what you watch, what you like, the people who you are trained to respect, to look up to

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whatever, you will become them. Okay. Like it's not, again, if the only way in which that is not

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true. Now, again, how can I, how can I say that with uncertainty? Well, because sowing leads to

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reaping. Like you, God is not mocked. You reap what you sow. That is going to happen. The only

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way that that will not happen is if you are sowing other, if you're sowing other, sowing respect to

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other places. And those things are mutually exclusive. Like there's things, there's other

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people. So if you're sowing, for example, if you're sowing God, sowing seeds of respect and,

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you know, love for God, then those can produce fruit as well. Those will produce fruit that can,

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including in, even if they're not like disproportionately so, you know, they can

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still produce good fruit by the mercy and grace of God. I talked about this on one of our previous

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episodes, I went to public school. I had parents who loved the Lord, but I went to public school

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and I mean, I could, again, my mother, my mother, my mother, I was talking to her today about the

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baby. We introduced the baby over, over zoom or over, uh, you know, calls or video call. And, uh,

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she mentioned that she had been listening to one of my podcasts. And I immediately thought of the

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clip that I had seen, uh, mentioning that like my mother would be mortified if she knew half of the,

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like half of the worst things that happened in, in public school. And I just think like,

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when I, when I look back at my time in, in middle and high school and the things that went down and

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just the, you know, like it is, it is truly the mercy and grace of God. And again, we were involved

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in church. Uh, you know, my, my, my parents loved the Lord. They would, you know, they would talk

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about things with us, but still the sheer amount of time that I spent, you know, in the hands of

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And with my mind being submersed in, you know, with ideas that are completely hostile to reality, it is stunning to me.

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And it should be stunning to all of us that there isn't more damage being done.

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And with that being said, there still is tons of damage that's been done.

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You know, one of the things that the scriptures talk about is the need for the renewing of your mind.

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and obviously there's a component of that which happens supernaturally.

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When you come to faith in Christ, like, you know, the Lord opens up the eyes of your heart,

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opens up your mind, you know, and just basically starts to, you know,

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he basically moves you from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of his beloved son.

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He starts doing all the supernatural work.

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And at the same time, and so there's a temptation for especially certain denominations

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to put an emphasis on that supernatural work. And that's good to a point. The problem is the

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scriptures are also super clear about there being a reaping and sowing effect. And so if you continue

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to submerse your mind in falsehood and you continue to lend credence and allow yourself to be

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influenced by lies and just by people who are wrong about the way that the world works,

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You are going to see your mind conformed to the way that a lot of the world thinks, and you're going to be conformed to the falsehoods that the world falls into.

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And so, again, it's hilarious to me and heartbreaking at the same time that some of the people who claim, especially on the progressive side, again, there are plenty of falsehoods and errors on the right among those who would vote for Republican candidates or whatever.

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They have their own issues. But some of the people who claim to be the most enlightened, they all think the exact same thing.

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and for you to not believe what they believe,

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they cannot handle it.

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They will scream at you.

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They will try to get you canceled.

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They'll do all these kinds of things.

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And so again, all of these things,

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all these ideas are producing just a ton of danger

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and a ton of just groupthink and fear of people.

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We're gonna get to some of the consequences of that

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here in a little bit.

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But yeah, I just think we underestimate the degree to which we are influenced and shaped and led by our broader culture.

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oh man yeah no i i think it's um yeah it'd be very interesting uh i i don't know like we

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underestimate the the power of the world's influence both through education and through peers

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and um i thought it was i thought it was interesting that um

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it still seems like amongst conservative voters from that from that poll it still seems like

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women were influenced more by the world than than the young men uh you guys see that and i would

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I'm just throwing it out there that I feel like we might have hit this tipping point for young men that things have gotten so absurd, even in the public education space, that you have young men that, again, their parents, even conservative parents, have sent their kids to public school.

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And they're seeing things are so insane that they're like, this is like they're like throwing their hands up like, all right, I'm out.

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like and they're checking out and so it's it's it's skewing the numbers um towards young males

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which is which is awesome to see it's also sad because it's like dude that's a pretty crazy low

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to hit that on their own like through their own like this is like young men's nationals like

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like these are probably young men that were like encouraged to apologize for for being white for

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being for uh for having or for wanting to be masculine uh for wanting to lead things like that

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like at a certain point you're just like what in the heck are these guys talking what were these

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people talking about like i'm just i was born this way um anyways i think uh yeah so so more

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young men are just like are saying yeah this is this is bogus and rejecting it so we're just skewing

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the numbers in my opinion what one other thing that i would want to add i'm going to bring that

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chart back up here because what, again, this is a Bitcoin podcast, substantially. And so I do want

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to kind of, I don't, again, I don't feel like we have to tie everything back to Bitcoin, but one of

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the things that I would, I want to just point out is think about the time horizon. Think about the

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time preference being displayed by these things, by these values. So if, if having children, and

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again, even an even better indicator, I would say this could even be deficient because like raising

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children and you know like I mean you know like having children is a very long is a very low time preference activity You know the first the first few years the children are cute and you know difficult in one way but then they get more difficult

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in different ways as they grow older. And so, you know, thinking about marriage and thinking

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about having kids, you're focused on the long-term. Some of these other things, it's just like,

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I mean, like, look at this. I'm looking at the number three here. So having money to do the

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things that you want to do, it's like, okay, the things that I want to do over what time horizon,

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right? If you're talking about, I want to go have fun with my friends. Well, that's a very short,

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a very low time or very high time preference desire. Having a career job, you could argue

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that that's more of a long-term, you know, low, low time preference thing. You know, this takes

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time to get education. It takes your time to work, work your way up, whatever. So maybe that's not

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the worst. But I mean, a lot of these things, I just think you're the, yeah, a lot of these things,

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it's people thinking for the longer term. I mean, we've talked about this a number of times on the

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podcast, but just, again, I remember having a conversation with a friend of ours who's a

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believer, you know, loves the Lord and, you know, is married, already has kids. And we just were

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talking about the fact that, you know, one of the reasons historically why you've had kids

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is so that you could have someone to take care of you when you got older.

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That's not the only motivation that you would have kids,

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but it certainly was one of the motivations

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because, again, you're going to get old.

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The reality is that contrary to America,

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where we don't talk about getting old,

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we don't talk about dying at all,

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we're going to get old.

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the vast majority of people due to currency devaluation,

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the basement, all this kind of stuff,

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you're not going to have enough money to retire.

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You're not going to have enough, sorry,

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You're not going to necessarily have enough money to go into a retirement home and stay there for any length of period of time, nor are you going to want to do that.

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And so I just think so many people are just totally underestimating and have just been so gaslit and fed just high time preference lies.

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And, you know, you have to have this car.

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And you're literally missing out.

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the time period where you could be having kids at an age when you're young, you know, and where

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you're going to be able to enjoy each other and, you know, do a lot of these things. You're just

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totally being gaslit into missing out of some of these things that for all, so many people all

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throughout history, this has been a huge source of finding meaning and a huge source of joy and a

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huge source of, you know, a number of different things. And so again, I just look at this and

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it is just, it's heartbreaking. And again, the, the chickens are going to come home to roost.

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The chickens are going to come home to roost here within the next 10 years. People are going to

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realize, oh shoot, you know, I'm, I missed out on my, I missed out on my window or I'm still going

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to do this. And then they're going to, they're going to turn to increasingly dystopian, uh,

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ways to try to make up for lost time, which is, you know, some of the, uh, you know, a lot of the,

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you know, ways to have kids that are, that are, that exist and they're out there that

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are morally dubious that we can should we should get into in a future episode so the scriptures say

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where your treasure is there your heart will be also and i would argue that you can see the heart

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of this issue at what has replaced being married and having children in the lives of these women

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so it's entirely inverse it's upside down and they've stopped believing that children are a

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blessing and have instead put fulfilling job career and having money to do the things you want

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as number one and two, and then having emotional stability, self-care, right? So I've bought into

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the world's lie that I can be like a man. I can have a fulfilling meaning and identity through

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climbing the corporate ladder, getting rich, and then the unknown, unexpected consequence is

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I feel like I'm going crazy. I'm trying to live my life in a way I'm not designed to,

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and so I'm an emotional wreck. And so now that's why number three is emotional stability,

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because they feel unstable. If you're emotionally just fine, that doesn't even make the list,

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Right? So they're making themselves go crazy because they're living contrary to how God designed them. And their heart is in greed and finding a fulfilling life through what consumerism can purchase them.

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And I would argue, and Ryan, you can take on this if you want, it goes all the way back to the sexual revolution and into the late 60s, early 70s.

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And this whole idea of, okay, women need to not find identity.

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Sorry, I need to get some water.

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Here, okay, I got some water.

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I'll finish the thought and then you jump on.

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so what happened in 1971 okay every bitcoin is going to say well we got off the gold standard

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and then we're gonna they're gonna sync up all these charts to show all the the economic and

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social mayhem that emerged at that point well ryan what else happened right around around that time

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that could be another causation for the breaking down of society.

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Yeah, I mean, there was, you know, probably one of the biggest ones was no-fault divorce.

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I think it was, it says that California's 1969 law was a pioneer.

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The wave of states adopting no-fault divorce swept through the nation through the 70s.

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This allowed for the unilateral disillusion of marriage for vague reasons like irreconcilable differences, things like that.

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And I think at the root of it, the easier you make divorce, the more you undermine marriage itself as something that's just kind of optional.

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Like it's, and, but again, that's undermining God's design for families and it's undermining God's design for children to have two parents and to grow up in a safe, secure environment.

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And the destruction that that's caused is like incomprehensible.

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and so um yeah you had the breakdown of our money but you also had a serious breakdown of families

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um back then and and i wouldn't say that like we were talking about before we started that wasn't

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the beginning of it i mean satan's been out to destroy the family since the beginning of time

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and to separate, to destroy.

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And, I mean, you go back,

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like education of children used to be a thing

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that families took responsibility for.

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What happened with the public education?

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Oh, hey, hey, you do your thing.

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We'll take care of educating the kids.

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And it's like, ah.

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All of a sudden it's like, well, is it just education?

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and they're like, oh, well, it couldn't be so bad, right?

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I mean, they'll teach impartial things.

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They won't be in this.

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It's like, no.

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It was like the full force of the world went into that education

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and it had a devastating impact.

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I would say, you know, we've talked about it before,

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but it's like of the kids I went to church with,

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walked away from the Lord that went to public school.

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going to church, youth groups and all that kind of stuff.

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and Jordan was talking about, like, we vastly underestimate the impact

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of separating kids from their parents and how destructive that is

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and separating children from their dad or separating children from their mom.

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It's like, dude, it's an atomic bomb going off in the family.

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So, yeah, you, I mean, you've got, okay, so you, we had World War II,

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okay which world war ii what was it when was it was world war one started right after the creation

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of the federal reserve in 1930 and then uh world war ii we ended up having you know we we have to

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send men overseas and so women have to step up and you know they they start going to you know

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produce things for for the war effort which again you can debate you can debate that whole thing but

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you're like all right you know this is this is a this was ostensibly a good thing great okay great

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This is a good thing. We're all working together. And then you come home, right? And then the war ends. And you've given, you have a whole segment of society of women who've gotten this taste of productive, of working outside of the home and making money and contributing to something really important, which again, these are not trivial things at all.

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Like this is, this is, you know, the answer is not just stay home and get in front of a stove.

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Like this is, and CR Wiley has talked about this a lot.

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Like they're, you know, basically the households used to be economic, little economic engines.

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These were, you know, you have families that would have small businesses.

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And so you did have this, you know, working together, you know, husbands and wives who

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were united behind the common cause and, you know, working together to make that happen.

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So you have that happening.

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And then after the war goes on, you have the temptation and lots of incentivization by the government to – they're looking at this and saying, hey, look, if we can get wives into the workplace, we can significantly increase our GDP.

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And again, we can look at these stats and look how much more productive – look how much more money that we can make in these companies and all these different places.

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and so again it's this short term focus it's not looking at well what consequences is this

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going to have on family like if you know if parents aren't raising kids well then somebody's

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going to be raising the kids okay well yeah so it's going to be public schools or it's going to

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be family members or whatever and so you're completely outsourcing the formative years

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of your children's lives shaping not just their minds but also their hearts and their loves and

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all these kind of other things you're outsourcing that and putting them in putting those that shaping

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influence in the hands of people who do not have a well-aligned incentive structure to train them

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and raise them in a way, in the way that you would if you were there with them. And so this is

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something where I think, again, we significantly underestimate the role that that has played. I

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mean, we could mention the Roe versus Wade decision that happened in 1973. That was another

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thing that was right there that shaped- Something else right before that.

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72 was the legalization of contraception for unmarried people.

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Isn't that crazy?

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There was a day when only married people could buy contraception.

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And again, this sounds insane.

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And again, if this sounds insane to you, this is the crazy thing.

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If this sounds insane to you, first of all, you don't know history.

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And then second of all, it's just demonstrating how successful the brainwashing has been to act on the hands of our culture and governing influences to just train you in a way of looking at the world to the degree that it is unthinkable that the world could operate any other way.

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like that that is the thing that is is again and i think this is where again i really appreciate

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bitcoiners bitcoiners have started and more than a lot of people they have woken up to and see this

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brainwashing that's happened at certain levels at the level of money and then they see the

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downstream consequences um and i see a lot of bitcoiners who are having families and you know

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want to have kids quicker uh they don't want to you know they don't want to buy into these things

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And yet, like, again, I just would, the thing that I see is, listen, this rabbit hole goes very, very, very deep. It goes very, very deep. And again, I would argue that Christians have a lot, Christians have a lot to add, a lot to basically contribute in this way.

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because again, we have a view of the world

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that's existed for thousands of years.

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You know, we have, you know,

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just conceptions of what the good life looks like

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that are laid out for us

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that aren't just the result of convenience

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over a very short time horizon.

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You have God who's laid out the way

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that the world ought to work for thousands of years.

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We have thousands of years of examples,

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both positive and negative,

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of the consequences of either listening to and obeying his voice or disobeying and creating our

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own reality. And I think that this is something that people are going to, these chickens are

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going to come, they're coming home to roost and people are really, this is already what we see,

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people who you would never have expected. You know, 10 years ago, 15 years ago, Russell Brand,

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Joe Rogan, people who were just openly mocking religion, mocking Christianity, even just a few years ago, are now kind of just seeing the consequences of just being our own gods and are reacting against it.

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And so I think that, again, I'm encouraged by all these things, but it is, again, it's shocking to see the consequences.

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all right so let's see here ashua you've got a couple other a couple other uh tweets on this

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front let me share uh we've already done quite a bit but we'll just maybe we'll just just to see

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how long we want to spin on them here we go ashua let you read this one yeah here we go

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this is more to the video um okay so do the the lewis quote yes

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let's find it here share this tab instead okay this is quote from the four loves

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from an article by american reformer by joe rigney who we're trying to get on the program

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here in the near future yeah so i'll i'll just read it briefly um this is from lewis four loves

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it is therefore easy to see why authority frowns on friendship every real friendship is a sort of

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secession, even a rebellion. It may be a rebellion of serious thinkers against accepted claptrap,

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or of faddists against accepted good sense, of real artists against popular ugliness,

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or of charlatans against civilized taste, of good men against the badness of society,

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or of bad men against its goodness. Whichever it is, it will be unwelcome to top people.

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In each knot of friends there is a sectional public opinion

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Which fortifies its members against the public opinion of the community in general

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Each therefore is a pocket of potential resistance

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Men who have real friends are less easy to manage

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Or get at harder for good authorities to correct or for bad authorities to corrupt

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Hence if our masters by force or by propaganda about togetherness

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or by unobtrusively making privacy and unplanned leisure impossible,

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ever succeed in producing a world where all are companions and none are friends,

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they will have removed certain dangers and will also have taken from us

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what is almost our strongest safeguard against complete servitude.

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So my quick comment about this,

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And Rigini uses it in reference to this idea of masculine Christianity in the public sphere and exercising, kind of proactively making a difference and seeking to see Christ's kingdom and Christian ethics displayed in the public space.

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And he argues that it can be done alone You need friendships You need community And this is where we see the breaking apart of the family and the war on children is I would argue Satan primary strategy I love how Lewis uses this idea of the top people a the elites the secular pluralist elites that don have their own kids

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and so need to control yours and mine through governmental and social and media structures.

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the tools that they have to control only work when people are isolated.

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And when you have a strong family structure, a strong marriage, you have strong churches,

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and you have strong local neighborhoods, people stick together. There's a mutual benefit.

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They have symbiotic communities.

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And they don't have to all be, they don't have to be homogenous.

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They don't have to look the same.

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But they still have the same ends in mind.

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They succeed when those around them succeed.

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And that's what I would argue our culture and the secular society is trying to entirely separate people so that they're easier to control.

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yeah this go ahead ryan yeah no no i'd say yeah yeah you definitely see it with i i feel like

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the influence of the world especially on children is so strong that it's only intentional parents

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that can overcome it and i say that as i used to be a youth pastor and i had this realization i

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don't know it's probably a year or so in spending 60 hours a week pouring into my kids and i i had

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this realization that like it didn't matter how hard i worked and how much time i spent like it

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was almost impossible to overcome the enormous influence that parents have on their children or

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that they don't have like you know it's the vacuum of like if they're not influencing their kids

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the enormous influence that the world,

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the people they hang out with, their peers,

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where they're being educated,

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that influence is so great that it's just like,

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I literally, I know it wasn't all wasted,

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but it just felt like vanity.

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And yeah, yeah.

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So I see it.

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Who we hang out with every day

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is actually really, really important.

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Where we spend our time

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and who we spend our time with.

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Yeah, it really, I mean, just what we're all getting at

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is just the sense of identity

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and the sense of just, you know,

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the question of like, who am I?

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You know, and for a lot of us, we think as individuals,

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we think as individual men or women.

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And again, there's truth there.

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There's truth in that reality.

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We are individuals.

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We bear the image of God.

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We are individual people.

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who are called by God to live and be faithful with the individual gifts that we have.

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And so that's all true.

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00:36:39,477 --> 00:36:45,597
The problem is it's a partial truth because there are other elements to our identity

417
00:36:45,597 --> 00:36:54,777
that are equally as important, just as important as our individual identity.

418
00:36:55,717 --> 00:36:59,937
And I think part of this stems from the reality that we did not choose to be born.

419
00:37:01,077 --> 00:37:08,417
Like everything that is most important about you and most central to you maintaining your life, you had no part in choosing.

420
00:37:08,537 --> 00:37:11,637
You didn't choose when to be born, where to be born, to whom to be born.

421
00:37:12,657 --> 00:37:13,737
You know, just all of these things.

422
00:37:13,777 --> 00:37:20,537
You didn't choose to have a functioning heart, lungs, brain, you know, kidneys, all of these things.

423
00:37:20,537 --> 00:37:24,817
Everything that is most central to who you are, you did not choose.

424
00:37:24,817 --> 00:37:44,237
You had no part in choosing. You had no part in deciding about those things. And so again, part of the reason, I mean, another example of this is you didn't choose your parents. You didn't choose to be born. Your parents, to varying degrees, chose to have you.

425
00:37:44,237 --> 00:37:48,757
So, you know, your mother, again, this is a stark and sad reality.

426
00:37:48,837 --> 00:37:54,157
It's like we're seeing now more than ever, well, I don't know, that's even debatable,

427
00:37:54,297 --> 00:37:54,937
but now more than ever.

428
00:37:55,017 --> 00:38:00,277
But you're seeing just the choice that women have to kill their children.

429
00:38:01,037 --> 00:38:04,977
This is something that hasn't always existed, always existed.

430
00:38:04,977 --> 00:38:09,277
But now it's, you have a greater, I would say, I would imagine a greater percentage,

431
00:38:09,817 --> 00:38:12,337
you know, now happening than ever before.

432
00:38:12,337 --> 00:38:20,377
certainly the approval and applauding at high levels of society, you see it happening. And so,

433
00:38:20,737 --> 00:38:26,817
yeah, I just think the reality of the fact that, again, individuals are important,

434
00:38:27,737 --> 00:38:33,797
but the most important unit of measure within God's economy is the family. Like, you know,

435
00:38:33,797 --> 00:38:39,597
God, the first thing God did, yes, he created individuals, and then shortly thereafter,

436
00:38:39,597 --> 00:38:45,597
he made a family. And so again, we live in a culture that pits those two things against each

437
00:38:45,597 --> 00:38:51,537
other and acts like the individual identity is the identity that supersedes and is more important

438
00:38:51,537 --> 00:38:58,357
than everything else. And so the article that Rigney mentions quotes that C.S. Lewis. It also

439
00:38:58,357 --> 00:39:03,217
is kind of building off an idea that Pastor Doug Wilson has talked about, the idea of atomistic

440
00:39:03,217 --> 00:39:08,057
individualism, which is part of where our title comes from. So this idea of the fundamental model

441
00:39:08,057 --> 00:39:14,417
that we use to think about ourselves is very atomistic. As in like the atom is the smallest

442
00:39:14,417 --> 00:39:22,237
unit of the building block of all things. And so we think about that. And yet the metaphor that the

443
00:39:22,237 --> 00:39:28,577
scriptures go to over and over again to describe and to shape how we think about what it means to

444
00:39:28,577 --> 00:39:35,817
be human is much more organic than that. So it's something more of like a tree. People are called,

445
00:39:35,817 --> 00:39:41,957
And Psalm 1 talks about a righteous man is like a tree who produces fruit in its season.

446
00:39:42,497 --> 00:39:44,177
And so we see these metaphors.

447
00:39:44,277 --> 00:39:45,417
And so these are much more organic.

448
00:39:45,537 --> 00:39:47,177
These are much more interconnected.

449
00:39:47,497 --> 00:39:49,657
So a tree relies on its roots.

450
00:39:49,917 --> 00:39:51,657
It relies on soil.

451
00:39:51,657 --> 00:39:56,617
It relies on things that are outside of its control.

452
00:39:56,817 --> 00:39:58,617
It requires sunshine and rain.

453
00:39:58,617 --> 00:40:08,357
And so there's far more interconnectedness at the root of what it means to be human than the Adam metaphor actually conveys.

454
00:40:08,357 --> 00:40:15,497
And so this is something where, again, we need to find the freedom that comes with learning from God.

455
00:40:15,997 --> 00:40:17,797
What is an apt metaphor?

456
00:40:18,017 --> 00:40:31,897
What is a more truthful metaphor, a more broad and all-encompassing metaphor, and then allow him to train how we think about ourselves and how we think about what it means to be human?

457
00:40:35,617 --> 00:40:38,197
Ash, do you want to do this, Michael Foster?

458
00:40:38,357 --> 00:40:45,097
or do we want to kind of skip it because we've kind of already yeah i mean you could do uh the

459
00:40:45,097 --> 00:40:55,037
what i quoted from his yeah let's see here is that so just right at the end he he makes the point

460
00:40:55,037 --> 00:41:01,357
and he he so he talks about the different seasons in their family life and particularly

461
00:41:01,357 --> 00:41:07,297
times of poverty times where like like during the 08 crash they had to move back

462
00:41:07,297 --> 00:41:14,997
uh in with family and live in a basement and and just the the the struggles and the lean years

463
00:41:14,997 --> 00:41:24,017
and and how it's um as he looks back on it uh he shares this he says it all starts small

464
00:41:24,017 --> 00:41:30,217
it snowballs it grows so put your hand to the work and don't despise the day of small beginnings

465
00:41:30,217 --> 00:41:37,897
and and then i added to that from ecclesiastes better is the end of a thing than its beginning

466
00:41:37,897 --> 00:41:43,917
and the patient in spirit is better than the proud in spirit and it just it just struck me

467
00:41:43,917 --> 00:41:51,317
as i look back on my own family life so we'll celebrate 20 years this year and um i mean for

468
00:41:51,317 --> 00:41:53,817
the first time we're going to be able to get to travel we're going to go to switzerland

469
00:41:53,817 --> 00:41:59,437
and have some time as a couple together

470
00:41:59,437 --> 00:42:03,577
and just remembering some of the crazy lean years,

471
00:42:04,097 --> 00:42:05,797
very challenging seasons,

472
00:42:06,297 --> 00:42:08,997
and how faithfulness,

473
00:42:09,517 --> 00:42:12,297
or in its contrast, sinfulness,

474
00:42:13,297 --> 00:42:14,557
it starts small,

475
00:42:15,197 --> 00:42:19,617
and then the power of exponential growth,

476
00:42:19,617 --> 00:42:22,057
which as Bitcoiners, you understand that,

477
00:42:22,057 --> 00:42:28,937
of just hodling and how it's not a passive thing. It needs to be an active effort to work. And the

478
00:42:28,937 --> 00:42:34,857
same thing happens when you make decisions in your marriage, in your parenting of just like

479
00:42:34,857 --> 00:42:41,957
the small little things of faithfulness of what do you do when you get home from work? Or how do

480
00:42:41,957 --> 00:42:49,117
you tuck your kids in at night? How do you pray with your wife? Like there's just little things.

481
00:42:49,117 --> 00:42:50,897
How do you do family devotions?

482
00:42:51,817 --> 00:42:54,377
What's your pattern of church attendance?

483
00:42:54,957 --> 00:42:56,497
How do you discipline your kids?

484
00:42:56,857 --> 00:42:59,217
There's all these little things that you're like,

485
00:42:59,297 --> 00:43:03,097
I'm going to do this 50,000 times over my lifetime.

486
00:43:03,597 --> 00:43:09,317
But the exponential result of those 50,000 little faithfulnesses

487
00:43:09,317 --> 00:43:12,397
in the moment, what in the moment was an annoyance

488
00:43:12,397 --> 00:43:16,557
or like this is genuinely inconvenient,

489
00:43:16,557 --> 00:43:21,157
actually is what snowballs into a really fruitful life.

490
00:43:21,757 --> 00:43:27,077
So I'm thankful for him sharing that.

491
00:43:27,277 --> 00:43:29,317
And I know you guys have stories like that as well.

492
00:43:29,397 --> 00:43:30,237
I'd love to hear them.

493
00:43:32,177 --> 00:43:32,737
Yeah.

494
00:43:33,517 --> 00:43:38,237
Yeah, my wife and I just celebrated 21 years of marriage this last week.

495
00:43:39,237 --> 00:43:43,817
And yeah, I mean, that's a really powerful point.

496
00:43:43,817 --> 00:43:52,337
like uh things that are seemingly insignificant it's like it's the little it's like the little

497
00:43:52,337 --> 00:43:58,937
time of prayer with your wife uh it's how your family starts your day it's it's the little the

498
00:43:58,937 --> 00:44:04,377
moments that you you put into your schedule for your kids the conversations things like that

499
00:44:04,377 --> 00:44:08,777
in and of themselves each one it doesn't seem like oh it's this giant mountain of importance

500
00:44:08,777 --> 00:44:17,077
um but yeah you're right like what happens when that compounds over two three five ten years it's

501
00:44:17,077 --> 00:44:24,477
like it's i mean it's massive like if you want to talk about like where you're going to see fruit

502
00:44:24,477 --> 00:44:28,217
after five or ten years of faithfully doing something it's going to be those things that

503
00:44:28,217 --> 00:44:33,377
you faithfully do every day and so man if i could pass on and i think you guys would probably agree

504
00:44:33,377 --> 00:44:39,737
it's like pass on advice to younger couples especially all those things that seem kind of

505
00:44:39,737 --> 00:44:44,717
insignificant they're actually extremely important and like do whatever it takes to faithfully

506
00:44:44,717 --> 00:44:52,317
do them every single day like intentionally uh and it's it's exactly it's like stacking stats i

507
00:44:52,317 --> 00:44:56,237
mean one of the reasons we talk so much about parents parenting and kids and stuff on on this

508
00:44:56,237 --> 00:45:01,377
podcast is like our treasure isn't bitcoin and at the end of the day like we could stack all the

509
00:45:01,377 --> 00:45:08,797
bitcoin in the world and you know forfeit our soul like that's not where we're at and so like i i um

510
00:45:08,797 --> 00:45:13,277
anyways that's why we talk so much about all these other things because it's so much all these other

511
00:45:13,277 --> 00:45:22,237
things are so much more important than bitcoin um but yeah uh the small things do them do them

512
00:45:22,237 --> 00:45:29,397
faithfully um get into the habit the rhythm of doing them every day um and yeah just like stacking

513
00:45:29,397 --> 00:45:34,557
stacking sets are going to like, you're going to reap the reward of, of, of your faithfulness.

514
00:45:35,917 --> 00:45:40,657
And the other, I mean, again, I was just going to say the other thing that I, so like the,

515
00:45:40,657 --> 00:45:47,557
the, the temptation for people who, uh, who hear both of these excellent and very true and good

516
00:45:47,557 --> 00:45:53,517
points is it's one of going to be one of a couple of things could be, uh, frustrating. It could be

517
00:45:53,517 --> 00:45:57,877
just like mocking, like, okay, you know, that's, yeah, that's so easy for you, blah, blah, blah,

518
00:45:57,877 --> 00:46:02,457
which is all silly. Um, on top of that, it could also just be like, well, that's impossible. That's

519
00:46:02,457 --> 00:46:07,777
impossible for normal people. You don't know my situation. And, or you could be somewhat more

520
00:46:07,777 --> 00:46:12,197
heartbroken postured than that is like, well, Hey, I've mad, I've made bad decisions. You know,

521
00:46:12,457 --> 00:46:19,097
I've, I've sowed lots of bad seeds. And so what, you know, what do I do? And the thing that I would

522
00:46:19,097 --> 00:46:23,437
encourage you with as somebody who's made bad decisions, you know, for all my good ones, you

523
00:46:23,437 --> 00:46:29,817
know, I've, I've made bad ones too. And it's just like, don't underestimate, like, do not

524
00:46:29,817 --> 00:46:38,257
underestimate the joy that God gives and that God gets from, you know, basically from taking

525
00:46:38,257 --> 00:46:43,937
somebody who humbly comes and just basically confesses their utter lack of deservedness,

526
00:46:43,937 --> 00:46:49,237
uh, to, to make up for lost time. You know, there, there's a, one of the passage passages

527
00:46:49,237 --> 00:46:53,237
that in the scripture, it talks about God restoring the years that the locusts have eaten.

528
00:46:53,437 --> 00:47:01,437
And so again, it's just this idea of you've planted, you worked, the locust destroyed everything left, you just ravaged it, left nothing.

529
00:47:02,157 --> 00:47:10,657
And the Lord just loves, he loves to make up for lost time and to reap in ways that only he can.

530
00:47:10,657 --> 00:47:24,077
And so, again, just like pouring out your heart before the Lord in whatever area it is, whether it's your marriage or parenting or whatever it is, again, the Lord, he can do a lot with a little.

531
00:47:24,237 --> 00:47:26,417
And again, it's a similar thing compared to Bitcoin.

532
00:47:26,637 --> 00:47:29,037
There's people who are looking at Bitcoin at $112,000.

533
00:47:29,177 --> 00:47:29,977
They're like, well, this is pointless.

534
00:47:29,977 --> 00:47:30,577
Yeah, I missed it.

535
00:47:30,637 --> 00:47:31,117
I missed it.

536
00:47:31,177 --> 00:47:31,857
This is pointless.

537
00:47:31,997 --> 00:47:33,997
I screwed up Bitcoin.

538
00:47:34,317 --> 00:47:34,997
I missed it.

539
00:47:35,157 --> 00:47:35,957
I missed my opportunity.

540
00:47:36,417 --> 00:47:38,677
And they can just get jaded and just quit.

541
00:47:38,677 --> 00:47:43,937
and again it's never too late in the case of your family it's never too late to do the right thing

542
00:47:43,937 --> 00:47:50,277
you know this isn't just like uh i'm gonna i want this outcome in the end it's like no the lord is

543
00:47:50,277 --> 00:47:56,297
is good and true and worthy of your worship and worthy of your obedience and and trust and all

544
00:47:56,297 --> 00:48:05,477
these kind of things and uh he yeah there's he's he's fully capable of just doing way more than you

545
00:48:05,477 --> 00:48:14,097
can ask or think so take heart yeah did i had i had that that's what a big part of my um i want

546
00:48:14,097 --> 00:48:21,037
to say it was a fire five six years ago i had uh the lord really convicted me just in like areas

547
00:48:21,037 --> 00:48:26,797
that i had been lacking in leadership especially in our family and um it was super sobering because

548
00:48:26,797 --> 00:48:32,237
like my boys were becoming teenagers and i felt like dude what in the world i totally screwed up

549
00:48:32,237 --> 00:48:38,197
Like I missed out, like I blew it in a lot of these areas, just not, not being consistent, not leading well.

550
00:48:38,197 --> 00:48:43,337
And, um, but I, I humbled myself before the Lord and, and cried out for help.

551
00:48:43,557 --> 00:48:48,877
And, and you're a hundred percent right, Jordan, like the Lord loves to redeem the time.

552
00:48:49,117 --> 00:49:01,877
And I definitely would say the last five years, I was very intentional spending a lot of extra time with, with my kids and my family, just trying, trying to make up for, um,

553
00:49:01,877 --> 00:49:06,917
some of the years that I didn't do a good job. And, um, and I,

554
00:49:06,917 --> 00:49:10,237
and I feel like that that can be done at any age. I mean, don't,

555
00:49:10,237 --> 00:49:14,657
don't be discouraged, like, um, be encouraged that you're, you're,

556
00:49:14,857 --> 00:49:18,057
you're having things exposed in your heart and, um, yeah,

557
00:49:18,097 --> 00:49:21,617
trust the Lord to redeem things going forward.

558
00:49:23,037 --> 00:49:26,157
Yeah. All right. We are 50 minutes in here.

559
00:49:26,477 --> 00:49:28,877
I'm going to make it a executive call here.

560
00:49:28,877 --> 00:49:34,817
We're going to postpone the conversation about the Ukrainian girl.

561
00:49:35,277 --> 00:49:40,317
Man, if you guys have been following that story, just absolutely heartbreaking, infuriating.

562
00:49:41,377 --> 00:49:46,257
Just a lot of, honestly, downstream consequences of a lot of the things we've been talking about.

563
00:49:46,357 --> 00:49:51,137
So we'll push that until the next episode with the Island Boys here.

564
00:49:51,857 --> 00:49:53,657
In conclusion, I do.

565
00:49:53,737 --> 00:50:05,555
We got a couple other short ones we can do So one of them was this example here or was this tweet or this is a story I think somebody tweeted about it and then it ended up finding its way I don know I actually have

566
00:50:05,555 --> 00:50:11,815
the tweet. I have, let's see here. It is about the American dream. Let's look here. The American

567
00:50:11,815 --> 00:50:20,795
dream, the 2025 American dream will cost you $5 million. And thanks to the Opportunity Cost app,

568
00:50:20,795 --> 00:50:25,035
We can see that as of today, that would be 44.91 Bitcoin.

569
00:50:25,715 --> 00:50:28,735
Now, again, you may be thinking to yourself, what in the world does that consist of?

570
00:50:29,235 --> 00:50:30,415
Here we are right here.

571
00:50:30,935 --> 00:50:38,195
The America dream, including homeownership, retirement, raising children, a wedding, a wedding.

572
00:50:38,855 --> 00:50:39,655
Listen to these.

573
00:50:39,815 --> 00:50:42,435
Look at these people who have not reproduced at all.

574
00:50:42,815 --> 00:50:44,015
A wedding, my word.

575
00:50:45,075 --> 00:50:49,855
New cars, health care, pets, annual vacations, now roughly totals $5 million.

576
00:50:50,795 --> 00:51:18,835
Okay, ready? This is hilarious. Here we go. These calculations assume a college-educated dual income. Here we go. We just talked about. Assume college-educated dual income household capable of sustaining these ambitions. That's not all they're anticipating. Here we go. Retirement alone, $1.6 million. Look what they're accounting for. Accounting for a 2.5% annual inflation increase. Wouldn't that be nice? Wouldn't we all just kill for a 2.5% real inflation increase?

577
00:51:18,835 --> 00:51:27,115
um again this is bonkers we should we we've got to start at the top let's like let's let's look at

578
00:51:27,115 --> 00:51:33,475
starting at the title of this article down to some of the details how many things are anti-marriage

579
00:51:33,475 --> 00:51:40,595
anti-human yeah let's go here we go uh start at the top the five million figure it's literally

580
00:51:40,595 --> 00:51:44,735
the most sensational the american dream it's like well you're not going to be able to have a family

581
00:51:44,735 --> 00:51:45,495
you're not going to be able to do it.

582
00:51:45,495 --> 00:51:47,215
Your life is ruined, Ryan,

583
00:51:47,315 --> 00:51:48,275
unless you have $5 million.

584
00:51:48,275 --> 00:51:48,395
Defeated.

585
00:51:49,655 --> 00:51:50,915
You only live once,

586
00:51:51,015 --> 00:51:51,875
go on the cruise,

587
00:51:52,195 --> 00:51:52,895
go gambling.

588
00:51:53,215 --> 00:51:54,275
Like, you're not going to be able

589
00:51:54,275 --> 00:51:54,575
to do it.

590
00:51:54,575 --> 00:51:55,035
$5 million.

591
00:51:55,375 --> 00:51:56,755
It's like everyone just checks out.

592
00:51:57,055 --> 00:51:58,755
Anyone who's actually still paying attention

593
00:51:58,755 --> 00:51:59,815
to the mainstream media

594
00:51:59,815 --> 00:52:02,875
is like checked out right off the bat.

595
00:52:03,295 --> 00:52:03,555
Oh, yeah.

596
00:52:03,575 --> 00:52:04,675
And then scroll down where it lists

597
00:52:04,675 --> 00:52:06,375
raising kids and how expensive they are.

598
00:52:06,715 --> 00:52:07,355
Okay, yeah, yeah.

599
00:52:07,375 --> 00:52:07,995
It's going to be great.

600
00:52:08,155 --> 00:52:08,615
Hold on.

601
00:52:08,895 --> 00:52:09,915
So we've got, we already mentioned.

602
00:52:10,015 --> 00:52:10,915
Okay, so a wedding.

603
00:52:11,035 --> 00:52:11,455
Now, again,

604
00:52:11,895 --> 00:52:13,635
how many weddings are we going to have

605
00:52:13,635 --> 00:52:14,435
between the three of us

606
00:52:14,435 --> 00:52:23,875
lord willing uh let's see ashua's eight uh ryan's six and jordan's five so far so we're we're just

607
00:52:23,875 --> 00:52:29,395
we might as well just quit right now we might as well just give up guys uh it's doomed so so so so

608
00:52:29,395 --> 00:52:37,535
hold on well like go back up though every single one of these things is like i would i mean it's

609
00:52:37,535 --> 00:52:46,395
hard to like what is what some people spend on some of these things is like five to ten times

610
00:52:46,395 --> 00:52:52,095
more and obviously there's more even higher than what it can cost like being a part of a local

611
00:52:52,095 --> 00:52:56,915
church where like you have a community helping you pull off the wedding you can get sometimes you can

612
00:52:56,915 --> 00:53:01,935
get the venue you get married hey like actually getting married in your church like your church

613
00:53:01,935 --> 00:53:07,275
probably isn't going to charge you you know four or five thousand dollars like the whole thing about

614
00:53:07,275 --> 00:53:15,255
destination wedding but like new cars buy 30 20 30 year old cars health care uh that's like

615
00:53:15,255 --> 00:53:21,815
eat healthy food you you know by god's grace you won't need like again every single one of these

616
00:53:21,815 --> 00:53:27,555
don't like pets they're anti-human they're so stinking expensive there's literally if you

617
00:53:27,555 --> 00:53:32,035
somebody needs to do research on them the more pets people have the less kids they can have

618
00:53:32,035 --> 00:53:38,155
they're so stinking expensive and again they're just like i had i remember like 20 years ago i had

619
00:53:38,155 --> 00:53:43,655
a mentor of mine he was like super down on pets and i was like man it's so weird and it's like

620
00:53:43,655 --> 00:53:48,195
but he was super up on having kids and i actually see it they're at they're at war with each other

621
00:53:48,195 --> 00:53:53,355
like if push comes to shove and you have a whole bunch of pets like they're really really expensive

622
00:53:53,355 --> 00:53:58,935
it's like to take care of to feed you know that bills and stuff like that and it's like oh well

623
00:53:58,935 --> 00:54:00,455
we can't afford to have any more kids.

624
00:54:02,615 --> 00:54:03,015
Anyways.

625
00:54:03,195 --> 00:54:03,335
Yeah.

626
00:54:03,775 --> 00:54:04,395
But it,

627
00:54:04,395 --> 00:54:04,675
it,

628
00:54:04,795 --> 00:54:07,735
you just keep going and it's like every single one of them is just like,

629
00:54:07,775 --> 00:54:08,635
if you have this,

630
00:54:08,715 --> 00:54:11,715
like the world's view of all these things,

631
00:54:11,715 --> 00:54:12,055
like,

632
00:54:12,175 --> 00:54:12,575
yeah,

633
00:54:12,575 --> 00:54:14,755
it's extremely expensive unless you,

634
00:54:14,835 --> 00:54:15,875
you have other priorities.

635
00:54:16,875 --> 00:54:17,315
Yeah.

636
00:54:17,495 --> 00:54:17,815
Again,

637
00:54:17,855 --> 00:54:18,315
just the,

638
00:54:18,455 --> 00:54:18,955
you're like,

639
00:54:18,995 --> 00:54:20,435
who is setting these standards?

640
00:54:20,435 --> 00:54:20,855
Like who,

641
00:54:20,995 --> 00:54:22,015
who is saying this?

642
00:54:22,615 --> 00:54:23,135
You know,

643
00:54:23,155 --> 00:54:24,455
what is the measuring stick they're using?

644
00:54:24,535 --> 00:54:25,635
It's totally unsustainable.

645
00:54:26,155 --> 00:54:27,355
So there's healthcare,

646
00:54:27,355 --> 00:54:35,115
care. 414,000, Ash. If you don't have that, have fun staying poor. You're good to go. Again,

647
00:54:35,155 --> 00:54:39,155
this is just totally overlooking. Now, again, it is true that it is expensive to eat healthy.

648
00:54:39,415 --> 00:54:44,095
That's the sad reality. It is expensive to eat healthy, but there's ways to do this

649
00:54:44,095 --> 00:54:48,875
much more economically. If you, again, have prioritized and with your house, you bought a

650
00:54:48,875 --> 00:54:54,215
house that gives you a little bit of land, you can grow, even with relatively small amount of

651
00:54:54,215 --> 00:54:59,095
land, you can grow vegetables to significantly bring down your food costs.

652
00:55:00,375 --> 00:55:00,855
Chickens, eggs.

653
00:55:00,975 --> 00:55:01,695
Yeah, chickens, eggs.

654
00:55:01,915 --> 00:55:05,615
I mean, just a bunch of things that you can do to significantly chip away at this.

655
00:55:06,895 --> 00:55:09,715
Well, first of all, chip away at your food costs.

656
00:55:09,775 --> 00:55:12,715
But then also on top of that, the downstream effects is you can take care of your health

657
00:55:12,715 --> 00:55:15,615
care at the same time.

658
00:55:16,155 --> 00:55:24,155
So again, this is just like if you just fiat to the max, you just ignore causes of things

659
00:55:24,155 --> 00:55:30,535
ignore causation and uh and just try to solve everything with spending the most money possible

660
00:55:30,535 --> 00:55:34,655
this is what it would look like a lot of a lot i would probably what do you guys say

661
00:55:34,655 --> 00:55:41,335
the percentage of health care costs that are directly tied to eating just trash food

662
00:55:41,335 --> 00:55:49,695
i mean it's oh yeah 80 yeah 90 sure like just eat really really healthy and just go down the

663
00:55:49,695 --> 00:55:53,775
rabbit hole yeah you look at i mean look at the greatest causes of death right it'd be like heart

664
00:55:53,775 --> 00:55:59,735
disease. That's pretty much totally food. Uh, you've got cancers and stuff like that. That's

665
00:55:59,735 --> 00:56:04,355
what a lot of that has to do with food. Uh, another thing, like not, not fasting,

666
00:56:04,715 --> 00:56:09,695
like the fasting is one way to help these things. And you know, the scriptures talk about it a lot.

667
00:56:09,795 --> 00:56:15,175
Pretty much every religion talks about it a lot. Uh, the United States doesn't. And so that that's

668
00:56:15,175 --> 00:56:20,155
going to have downstream consequences, uh, homeownership. Check this out guys. Uh, you know

669
00:56:20,155 --> 00:56:21,255
that if you don't have a million dollars,

670
00:56:21,355 --> 00:56:22,675
you're not able to have a home.

671
00:56:26,995 --> 00:56:27,735
Here we are.

672
00:56:27,735 --> 00:56:28,015
That's crazy.

673
00:56:30,575 --> 00:56:31,055
Yeah.

674
00:56:31,335 --> 00:56:33,715
This is why, again,

675
00:56:34,495 --> 00:56:35,575
if you have a culture

676
00:56:35,575 --> 00:56:38,315
that puts up with an absolute

677
00:56:38,315 --> 00:56:40,155
100% broken housing system,

678
00:56:40,975 --> 00:56:42,055
they're putting up with

679
00:56:42,055 --> 00:56:43,695
our culture being anti-human.

680
00:56:43,915 --> 00:56:45,515
Because they're absolutely right.

681
00:56:45,635 --> 00:56:46,615
I mean, when you make housing

682
00:56:46,615 --> 00:56:50,235
too expensive for people

683
00:56:50,235 --> 00:56:52,475
and especially families to afford.

684
00:56:53,255 --> 00:56:54,035
Guess what?

685
00:56:54,635 --> 00:56:56,135
They have smaller families

686
00:56:56,135 --> 00:56:57,115
or no family at all.

687
00:56:58,455 --> 00:56:59,795
You guys want to mention anything

688
00:56:59,795 --> 00:57:01,855
about the raising children in college thing here?

689
00:57:02,515 --> 00:57:04,055
Well, I did the math on this

690
00:57:04,055 --> 00:57:06,475
and it's $40,000 a year per kid.

691
00:57:07,235 --> 00:57:10,475
Averaged out over 22 years

692
00:57:10,475 --> 00:57:12,415
if you're paying for college.

693
00:57:14,635 --> 00:57:15,195
Nice.

694
00:57:15,615 --> 00:57:16,075
How are we doing?

695
00:57:16,075 --> 00:57:18,495
Are we under or over budget?

696
00:57:19,815 --> 00:57:21,335
$40,000 a year per kid.

697
00:57:24,075 --> 00:57:30,715
So basically what you're saying is in order to be a parent, you have to have Bitcoin or else you're not going to be able to be a good parent.

698
00:57:30,995 --> 00:57:31,515
You can't.

699
00:57:32,695 --> 00:57:34,995
They're making the case for Bitcoin before our very eyes.

700
00:57:36,555 --> 00:57:43,535
The thing that killed me is when I found out that, because we've almost cooled our kids all the way through.

701
00:57:43,535 --> 00:57:53,135
I found out that the public education system gets like somewhere anywhere between like 15 and 20 something thousand dollars per student per year.

702
00:57:53,255 --> 00:57:54,195
And I'm just looking back.

703
00:57:54,575 --> 00:57:57,455
Honey, how much do we spend per kid per year?

704
00:57:57,495 --> 00:58:00,055
And it's like, it's like not even a hundred.

705
00:58:00,215 --> 00:58:03,315
It's like a hundred dollars maybe on a few workbooks and some books.

706
00:58:03,315 --> 00:58:16,975
It's like, but like, but then the results that we've gotten at like one, whatever it is, I don't even know the, one, one hundredth or one thousandth of the cost.

707
00:58:16,975 --> 00:58:27,855
Yeah. In Florida, there is a scholarship program that basically didn't...

708
00:58:27,855 --> 00:58:29,515
Whoever put it through is basically...

709
00:58:29,515 --> 00:58:34,955
It's not fair that homeschool families have to continue to contribute to public schools.

710
00:58:35,615 --> 00:58:38,635
We're not taking advantage of them. Why in the world are we paying for them?

711
00:58:39,115 --> 00:58:40,975
And so the solution was basically to say, all right...

712
00:58:41,595 --> 00:58:41,835
Amen.

713
00:58:41,835 --> 00:58:51,975
Yeah, but we're going to give homeschool families $7,500 per student in order to cover and help cover homeschool costs and stuff like that.

714
00:58:52,555 --> 00:58:55,735
And so there's a lot of this that's like, I mean, again, it makes sense.

715
00:58:55,795 --> 00:59:05,475
You're like, okay, we're like $2,500 short because the state still gives $10,000, I believe, a little bit more than that, $10,000 for every public school student.

716
00:59:05,575 --> 00:59:06,415
That's where that money goes.

717
00:59:07,255 --> 00:59:08,075
That's in Florida?

718
00:59:08,195 --> 00:59:08,695
That's in Florida.

719
00:59:08,695 --> 00:59:13,615
So the homeschool parents, it's 15 to 20 per student in Oregon.

720
00:59:13,795 --> 00:59:14,175
Yeah, exactly.

721
00:59:14,375 --> 00:59:16,595
And it's like every state's different, but it's like, it's insane.

722
00:59:17,055 --> 00:59:19,975
But so, so again, we're still getting jobs by about $2,500.

723
00:59:20,675 --> 00:59:24,815
But even still, I mean, it's, you just look at this and you're like, man, this is, this

724
00:59:24,815 --> 00:59:25,315
is our tax.

725
00:59:25,375 --> 00:59:29,315
This is how much money every year is, is that we're, we're spending on these things.

726
00:59:29,315 --> 00:59:30,135
Like it's crazy.

727
00:59:31,955 --> 00:59:32,875
Mishallocated resources.

728
00:59:33,255 --> 00:59:36,255
It's the biggest waste of money ever.

729
00:59:36,475 --> 00:59:37,675
Do we have any, anything else here?

730
00:59:37,675 --> 00:59:38,435
new cars.

731
00:59:38,695 --> 00:59:38,875
Yeah.

732
00:59:39,075 --> 00:59:39,615
How many

733
00:59:39,615 --> 00:59:42,095
have any of you guys

734
00:59:42,095 --> 00:59:43,335
bought a new car ever?

735
00:59:44,675 --> 00:59:44,935
No.

736
00:59:45,695 --> 00:59:46,175
Neither.

737
00:59:46,935 --> 00:59:47,975
Never bought a new car.

738
00:59:47,995 --> 00:59:48,535
I think when I least

739
00:59:48,535 --> 00:59:49,275
could afford it.

740
00:59:49,515 --> 00:59:49,735
I did.

741
00:59:49,855 --> 00:59:50,015
Yeah.

742
00:59:50,895 --> 00:59:52,095
As a college student

743
00:59:52,095 --> 00:59:52,935
I remember you had

744
00:59:52,935 --> 00:59:53,795
a nice tundra

745
00:59:53,795 --> 00:59:55,015
as like a

746
00:59:55,015 --> 00:59:55,595
a broke

747
00:59:55,595 --> 00:59:56,395
college student

748
00:59:56,395 --> 00:59:56,735
Ryan.

749
00:59:59,275 --> 01:00:00,695
He was car rich

750
01:00:00,695 --> 01:00:02,035
and portfolio poor.

751
01:00:02,035 --> 01:00:03,255
He's matured a lot

752
01:00:03,255 --> 01:00:04,055
over the years.

753
01:00:04,295 --> 01:00:05,055
I want to say that.

754
01:00:07,075 --> 01:00:07,555
Yeah.

755
01:00:07,675 --> 01:00:15,415
no i think our yeah our average car is 20 plus years old yeah we we we actually have a newer

756
01:00:15,415 --> 01:00:20,375
newer car we got back from the states but we literally bought at the worst the top of the

757
01:00:20,375 --> 01:00:27,275
vehicle market in 2021 or 2022 2022 i think the worst timing ever and so our mortgage our interest

758
01:00:27,275 --> 01:00:31,475
rate is awful on the loan like the whole thing it was just horrendous we just were thinking we

759
01:00:31,475 --> 01:00:35,195
don't want to get something that's not good quality and then have to owe a bunch on it whatever

760
01:00:35,195 --> 01:00:37,095
I would recommend

761
01:00:37,095 --> 01:00:37,995
again the

762
01:00:37,995 --> 01:00:39,315
the economics of this

763
01:00:39,315 --> 01:00:40,155
are getting not great

764
01:00:40,155 --> 01:00:40,355
but

765
01:00:40,355 --> 01:00:41,895
if you can afford

766
01:00:41,895 --> 01:00:42,915
one of those

767
01:00:42,915 --> 01:00:44,015
extended warranties

768
01:00:44,015 --> 01:00:44,495
our

769
01:00:44,495 --> 01:00:45,755
this saved our bacon

770
01:00:45,755 --> 01:00:46,195
with this

771
01:00:46,195 --> 01:00:46,975
with this van

772
01:00:46,975 --> 01:00:48,755
multiple times over

773
01:00:48,755 --> 01:00:49,495
we probably

774
01:00:49,495 --> 01:00:50,415
I think it cost us

775
01:00:50,415 --> 01:00:50,935
$2,500

776
01:00:50,935 --> 01:00:51,655
and

777
01:00:51,655 --> 01:00:54,155
I think we spent

778
01:00:54,155 --> 01:00:54,855
at least like

779
01:00:54,855 --> 01:00:56,435
$8,000 worth of repairs

780
01:00:56,435 --> 01:00:58,495
on this thing

781
01:00:58,495 --> 01:00:59,255
so it ended up being

782
01:00:59,255 --> 01:01:00,075
a tremendous deal

783
01:01:00,075 --> 01:01:01,775
I shared

784
01:01:01,775 --> 01:01:02,515
if anybody has

785
01:01:02,515 --> 01:01:02,955
to

786
01:01:02,955 --> 01:01:03,875
buy

787
01:01:03,875 --> 01:01:04,995
older Toyotas

788
01:01:04,995 --> 01:01:12,415
that's like the i think i shared a meme about it it's like the the mid-curve one it's like yeah

789
01:01:12,415 --> 01:01:18,895
yeah yeah bmws and jaguar all these things are in the middle and then on the both sides it's toyota

790
01:01:18,895 --> 01:01:23,775
they cost a little bit more money it's because they they basically never break and they last

791
01:01:23,775 --> 01:01:30,515
forever and so save yourself a mountain of of money by just buying older toyotas yeah and

792
01:01:30,515 --> 01:01:33,875
spend your resources elsewhere.

793
01:01:35,695 --> 01:01:36,835
Annual vacations.

794
01:01:37,175 --> 01:01:38,935
Ash, you just mentioned that you're taking your,

795
01:01:39,155 --> 01:01:40,655
I believe your first vacation with your wife.

796
01:01:41,875 --> 01:01:42,615
Is that right?

797
01:01:42,755 --> 01:01:43,475
That's what you're...

798
01:01:43,475 --> 01:01:44,455
No, no.

799
01:01:45,755 --> 01:01:47,495
We've done family vacations.

800
01:01:47,815 --> 01:01:52,155
I just came back from a road trip across the country for a month.

801
01:01:52,555 --> 01:01:52,775
Yes.

802
01:01:52,775 --> 01:01:56,015
I'm talking about what these people who wrote this article

803
01:01:56,015 --> 01:01:57,495
would consider a real vacation.

804
01:01:57,655 --> 01:01:58,795
You're taking your first one.

805
01:02:00,515 --> 01:02:03,455
We go to Hawaii too, but we like mooch off our friends there.

806
01:02:03,455 --> 01:02:05,495
You get one vacation for 20 years.

807
01:02:07,055 --> 01:02:08,415
I'm not saying this in judgment.

808
01:02:08,615 --> 01:02:14,395
I'm saying like, listen, we've never done like a proper, you know, like vacation, a thousand, you know, thousands of dollars vacation either.

809
01:02:16,415 --> 01:02:16,815
Yeah.

810
01:02:16,975 --> 01:02:17,795
But yeah, so there's that one.

811
01:02:18,135 --> 01:02:18,795
What else we got here?

812
01:02:18,915 --> 01:02:19,555
Owning pets.

813
01:02:19,695 --> 01:02:20,575
This is hilarious.

814
01:02:23,235 --> 01:02:23,835
Oh, dude.

815
01:02:24,915 --> 01:02:25,935
Oh my gosh.

816
01:02:27,235 --> 01:02:27,635
Yeah.

817
01:02:27,635 --> 01:02:42,775
So I think we need to talk about, on another call, early retirement extreme and some of those life hacks for living efficiently, for thinking frugally and being wise.

818
01:02:42,915 --> 01:02:46,315
So Bitcoin solves the excess cash flow and savings.

819
01:02:47,135 --> 01:02:54,915
But there's some other things there to think through of how not to just buy into the consumer system.

820
01:02:54,915 --> 01:03:00,235
And the honesty is, if we're advocating for large families, it really is expensive.

821
01:03:03,515 --> 01:03:04,795
It's expensive.

822
01:03:05,415 --> 01:03:08,335
I tell guys at my church, hey, above three is free.

823
01:03:09,075 --> 01:03:14,375
And there are efficiencies of scale within having kids.

824
01:03:15,935 --> 01:03:20,195
But it doesn't change the fact that life has gotten more and more expensive.

825
01:03:20,495 --> 01:03:23,375
And so how do you think through doing that well?

826
01:03:24,915 --> 01:03:26,135
It's worth talking about.

827
01:03:27,435 --> 01:03:27,875
Definitely.

828
01:03:28,275 --> 01:03:28,575
Yeah.

829
01:03:29,835 --> 01:03:30,395
Let's see.

830
01:03:30,435 --> 01:03:31,415
I think that's everything.

831
01:03:31,695 --> 01:03:34,015
Man, we have another fun topic to talk about.

832
01:03:34,155 --> 01:03:35,835
This is, what are these laws?

833
01:03:36,055 --> 01:03:37,435
Alienation of affection lawsuits.

834
01:03:37,555 --> 01:03:39,135
Man, we could get into so many things.

835
01:03:39,495 --> 01:03:44,575
Those are, basically, there's six states in these United States where you can sue.

836
01:03:44,575 --> 01:03:54,895
Like, if somebody, you know, cheats on your partner, if somebody, like, home wrecks your family, you can sue them and get, basically, the civil lawsuit and make money off of it.

837
01:03:54,915 --> 01:03:56,715
but this is something we were going to talk about.

838
01:03:56,755 --> 01:03:57,275
We don't have time.

839
01:03:57,775 --> 01:03:59,115
We'll have to save that for another day.

840
01:03:59,535 --> 01:04:00,615
We are grateful for you guys.

841
01:04:00,755 --> 01:04:03,695
Grateful for your listening to episode 28

842
01:04:03,695 --> 01:04:04,715
of To the Unknown Pod,

843
01:04:05,315 --> 01:04:07,355
part of the Thank God for Bitcoin podcast.

844
01:04:07,715 --> 01:04:08,875
We will join you.

845
01:04:08,955 --> 01:04:10,795
We'll be back, I believe, again this week.

846
01:04:11,295 --> 01:04:12,455
We'll have Tim and Jim.

847
01:04:12,615 --> 01:04:13,995
Tim is fret, or sorry,

848
01:04:14,135 --> 01:04:16,415
Jim will be fresh off of a retreat

849
01:04:16,415 --> 01:04:18,855
with some of the best and brightest in Bitcoin.

850
01:04:19,435 --> 01:04:21,275
He's been hanging out in the woods with these guys

851
01:04:21,275 --> 01:04:22,335
talking about who knows what.

852
01:04:22,335 --> 01:04:24,355
and so we'll be

853
01:04:24,355 --> 01:04:25,495
we'll get him back

854
01:04:25,495 --> 01:04:26,215
for a debrief

855
01:04:26,215 --> 01:04:27,835
and that'll be lots to find

856
01:04:27,835 --> 01:04:28,695
and who knows what Tim's doing

857
01:04:28,695 --> 01:04:29,495
Tim's reading books

858
01:04:29,495 --> 01:04:30,315
almost assuredly

859
01:04:30,315 --> 01:04:30,575
so

860
01:04:30,575 --> 01:04:32,435
those of you who look forward

861
01:04:32,435 --> 01:04:33,595
to our Mountain Presby's

862
01:04:33,595 --> 01:04:34,575
they'll be back on Thursday

863
01:04:34,575 --> 01:04:34,895
so

864
01:04:34,895 --> 01:04:35,835
grateful for you guys

865
01:04:35,835 --> 01:04:36,635
Ash, Ryan

866
01:04:36,635 --> 01:04:37,375
appreciate you guys

867
01:04:37,375 --> 01:04:38,115
I'll let you guys have

868
01:04:38,115 --> 01:04:38,855
the last word

869
01:04:38,855 --> 01:04:39,775
go for it

870
01:04:39,775 --> 01:04:44,255
thank God for Jesus

871
01:04:44,255 --> 01:04:46,835
amen

872
01:04:46,835 --> 01:04:47,515
yeah

873
01:04:47,515 --> 01:04:49,675
TGFJ

874
01:04:49,675 --> 01:04:56,795
um i actually i will do one more thing here so this coming this coming tuesday we are going to

875
01:04:56,795 --> 01:05:03,395
be sitting down for an episode with doug casey i'm sorry not not matt smith doug smith uh doug

876
01:05:03,395 --> 01:05:09,015
casey and matt smith wrote this book called the preparation uh we're talking about college and the

877
01:05:09,015 --> 01:05:13,755
cost of college these guys wrote this book uh they have a basically a different approach to

878
01:05:13,755 --> 01:05:18,355
the college years and what it looks like to prepare to go out into the world uh this is not

879
01:05:18,355 --> 01:05:23,855
anything what you're expecting. I listened to a couple of podcasts. Matt recorded a podcast with

880
01:05:23,855 --> 01:05:29,575
Tom Woods, who's an Austrian economist and Roman Catholic guy and super interesting.

881
01:05:30,695 --> 01:05:36,035
And what's his name? Tom Woods came away from this. There's a clip from this interview where

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he said, I have all the degrees, all the fancy education from all the places that anybody would

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want. I would trade it in a heartbeat to implement the plan that you guys have laid out in this book.

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And so I just reached out to Matt.

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I got the book and then reached out to him and he's like, hey, I'd love to come on.

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So he's going to come on on Tuesday, this coming Tuesday, a week from today.

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And we're going to talk about what that plan looks like, what it doesn't look like, and

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what his son's experience has been as kind of the guinea pig of this plan.

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So lots of really cool and thoughtful things, especially if you've appreciated anything that

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you've heard from these podcast episodes, you're going to love.

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I walked away just stunned.

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I was like, this is the coolest thing I've ever heard of in my life.

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so we'll talk to him

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on the next episode

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with

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of

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with the

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who are you

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the island boys

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on Tuesday

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so we'll see you guys then

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we appreciate y'all