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Hello and welcome to another episode of To The Unknown Pod, a TGFB podcast. My name is

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Jordan Bush. I'm the executive director of TGFB Media, which exists to help Christians

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understand and use Bitcoin for the glory of God and good of people everywhere. I am joined

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by two-thirds of the Iowan boys. We may be joined by the third-third of the Iowan boys

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here momentarily. Ryan, go ahead and introduce yourself.

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The fourth, fourth.

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The fourth.

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I'm not an island boy.

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I don't count myself.

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Yeah, hey, I'm Ryan Finley, father of six.

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I'm still working on projects with my children, businesses.

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And, yeah, my son uses AI all day long for his software development.

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And, yeah, I do as well.

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Ryan, jump in the shark here.

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We're not talking about the episode title yet.

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My goodness.

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Sorry.

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Matt, introduce yourself.

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Go for it.

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Yeah, I'm a pastor in Hawaii and where these other island boys used to be, hence the name.

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And I've also been a serial entrepreneur and have just kind of walked that road of business as mission, business as activism, even, I like to say.

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And also a father of six, just made 18 years married.

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Woo woo.

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Let's go.

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Yes, Ryan, actually one of the inventors of Frosted Mini Wheats.

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Oh, no, that's a different cereal.

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Okay.

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All right. We are moving on. So today, as Ryan mentioned, so today is an AI, I wouldn't say the AI episode, but partially, I guess it'll be in some ways, the AI episode that we've done so far.

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And so we're calling this Bitcoin and the rehumanizing effects of AI.

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Obviously, in some circles, and especially I think even more in Christian circles, we've seen discussion about the dehumanizing effects of AI, the scary effects of AI.

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And there are lots of those.

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But there's also in lots of surprising ways in which that we're going to talk about in which we think AI has a ton of potential to rehumanize a lot of places in a lot of areas of our life that have been to this point, have gotten to the point just given what the existing tech stack and the existing world that we live in, it's been really dehumanizing.

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And so, again, everyone acknowledges that AI is tremendously beneficial in some ways, but it's those edge cases that people are rightfully afraid of or at least unsure about.

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So we want to kind of address some of this and some of the ways that we have, some of the ways that we're seeing in our own lives and experimenting with in ways that we think will, again, be beneficial to you guys out there.

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So before we launch into that, though, I do want to mention a couple of things.

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So as you can see over my right and left shoulders, we have the full stable of TGFB books.

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Over here, we have Thank Out for Bitcoin.

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The second edition is going to be coming out very soon.

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We're basically Amazon is ruining our lives.

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We are working on getting it uploaded there.

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So you can order the second edition with a much better type setting, much more professional, much more professional looking cover as well.

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So we are thrilled to have those.

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There's been a couple pre-orders at store.tgfb.com.

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So you can go over and pre-order those right now.

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We also have our kids book on offer.

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We finally, just the other day, I think I posted a picture on Twitter.

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We got, this is the paperback version.

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Very pretty, very great.

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We also have a hardcover version.

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We ended up, yeah, man, these are just great quality versions.

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We just kind of decided to pony up and do these things right with the first iteration

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at the very least.

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Um, and so again, they're not going to be bad in future generations, but these are,

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these are just fantastic quality, very good quality, better than you're going to find

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with most kids books, um, especially the hard cover.

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So you can run over to store.tgfb.com and scoop those up.

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Those are not pre-orders anymore.

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I need to, I need to take the words.

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I think I might've taken the words off.

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I can't remember, but I'm going to take off the words pre-order because they are fully

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ready to order.

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I have several thousand of them sitting on the other side of the screen in my office.

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So please go order those.

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we actually have some really cool things that we're going to be announcing relative to that

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in the next few days in relation to things that might motivate many of you to go out and order

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a bunch of them for friends and family. So we'll be looking out for more of those. Over the shoulder,

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we have the gospel according to Bitcoin. We might have some news about that in the next few weeks

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as well. That's to help Jesus pill your Bitcoin friends. Again, a very niche book, a very specific

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use case, but either for your own edification and ways that you can more truly and more fully

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give thanks for, thank God for Bitcoin. That's a great resource. So go scoop those up. We also have

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tickets for our TGFB event in Fort Worth, April 9th. We're going to be doing this the day before

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Bitblock Boom. So if you're going to be in the area or you want to be in the area for that,

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go grab your tickets for that you can scoop them up right now you can you can either get

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let's see here you can either get the just a regular ticket let me share this so you guys

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can see what I'm talking about here you can either just get a normal ticket for yourself

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or you can get there we are get a normal ticket or you can get a ticket with a merch bundle

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so we're going to be ordering some this is going to have like a specific TGFB hat that's relative

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or that's designed only for this event.

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It'll only be available there.

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It's gonna look great.

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And then we'll also have a custom t-shirt.

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And so you can order those right now.

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The tickets are only gonna go up over time to the event.

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So go grab those right now.

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We will offer discounts for pastors,

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missionaries and things like that.

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So if you want to invite members of your leadership team

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at your church or NGO, that would be,

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we'd love to have them.

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So go get those today.

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Beyond that, guys,

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Let's get back to the topic for today.

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Let's see here.

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So, yes, so we're going to talk about AI.

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So I guess let's kind of talk about given our different relationship with technology.

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Ryan, you have a son who's a programmer.

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You have another son who's making some of the most groundbreaking and revolutionary AI videos out there.

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So shout out to Elijah.

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He's also doing a bang-up job with doing some video clips for TGFP.

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So, you know, in my opinion, the much more important work that he's doing.

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So you have two sons who are leveraging AI as much as they can.

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So let's just start with Ryan.

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Ryan, where are you, you know, in terms of your boys and then you as well, where are you guys, how are you thinking about AI in ways that maybe aren't as, in a way that you see it as not so doomsday as maybe some others might?

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Yeah. So, I mean, I guess you could probably call me a little bit like maybe a techno optimist.

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I don't approach things like this with like a bent towards being afraid of it.

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I, you know, maybe it's just my age and generation, but I've lived through pre-computer and pre-internet.

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And so I've seen the world before all those things and I've seen it afterwards.

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and obviously there's pros and cons.

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But yeah, the reality is,

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is we can't live in the past.

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Obviously there's things that have changed

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about our culture that aren't good

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because of technology,

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but that doesn't mean that we can just

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call technology bad and just give up in a sense.

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Like it is the new reality in a sense in this world.

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And like, so I think when you view it as a tool, you use it to the glory of God and use it to do your job the best you can.

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You use it to add as much value to other people's lives as you can.

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And at the same time as Christians, like using wisdom at the same time.

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So all that said, several years ago, I was very optimistic about, like, I thought I was going to have a pretty big impact on culture or on our society.

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It's going to have, like, 10 times more of an impact than I even first imagined.

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And I was, like, way on the bullish side of things.

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I'll start off with my oldest son.

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He's a software developer.

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he went from not using it at all to me badgering him and my good you need to get on this like you

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need to you need to be starting to use all these tools as much as you can just to stay up on them

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fast forward to today this is literally just in the last two years i was started really badgering

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him on it um he uses ai software development tools and he's also i would say he's an expert

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in software development he's spent he's over 10 years learning like so he was pre-ai completely

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So he learned the entire trade or the, um, yeah, the, the entire profession has completely

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just been revolutionized.

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And, and now software developers are using AI nonstop all day, every day.

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And like, what is that looking like?

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Tools that used to be prohibitively expensive for a normal person because they didn't have

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unlimited capital to build are now buildable within a couple of days. It's so mind boggling.

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We can easily bring him on and talk a whole episode just on what he's seen. But all that to

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say, it's going to lower the barrier to entry for people wanting to build good things or tools that

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just weren't profitable enough to build or to justify the capital expense to build so um yeah

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i'm excited about that it's going to add enormous amounts of value so like and um what does that

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mean for christians it means they're going to be able to build like you're going to it's going to

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be um yeah it's just going to be easier to build products that help people's lives um so

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yeah and as far as yeah the same thing with elijah i mean the reality is is they're both

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um i thank god that they're as young as they are because like the pace of change in in a lot of

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these industries is so fast it's like it's head spinning and the first uh ai native you know we

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were uh our i'm 46 we were i remember the first home computers like you said ryan so i'm the first

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generation in history of home computing native, you know, maybe even a little not native. Cause

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I remember my childhood before, you know, then you had the internet natives cause the computer

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didn't mean internet. Then you had, uh, social media natives. And if you notice the social media

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native kids, uh, they're not, I guess they're not kids anymore. They're in their twenties,

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but the social media kids don't have like a lot of public social media. They learned,

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you know, they actually know how to use social media better than boomers.

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of them. And, uh, and then now it's, now it's the AI natives and it's just amazing to think about,

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you know? Um, yeah, go ahead, Jordan. Yeah, no. So, I mean, this is, I mean,

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I can just kind of speak to my own thing. Like I am not a programmer at all. I am not. And so like

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my, I'm hearing, you know, Jimmy's song, I'm hearing other people say like, this is one of

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the most revolutionary things you've ever seen. Uh, you know, just like the, the pace of change,

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Obviously, there's tons of money that's just in a way that's very reminiscent of the dot-com bubble.

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Anything you just put AI on, you're selling it.

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People are throwing money at you just because they're seeing dollar signs.

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So again, there's going to be a ton of misallocated capital just by scam artists and by people who probably have good intentions but who just aren't going to generate anything of value.

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Um, and yet at the same time, I mean, it, it, like, I will say Google has been all but eliminated from my daily usage just by virtue of, of AI.

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Now, again, there's a bunch of different companies.

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There's, um, you know, there's, there's, there's companies that, I mean, somebody like, uh, open AI, like I just, they seem like awful actors.

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Uh, and so I, I try to minimize my usage of them, but I, I kind of already built them into my,

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into like my, my daily routine to where I use them more than, than I want to. Um, but like,

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even then, like there's other, so like I, I prioritize using like Grok over chat GBT on

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like ideological reasons. Um, also because again, you're the reality is whichever site you're using,

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you're breathing life into this, you're breathing and you're like, you're, you're breathing life

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into them, you're also exhaling out your own life in terms of the products you're using,

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the cars you're using, like all of this stuff, you're giving it data on you. And so there are,

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you know, so we can talk about a number of these different products. I'm also a subscriber to

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Maple AI, which is like a private AI. It's like self locally hosted. And so I do use that,

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but it's still, it's like, it's not as, I'm not finding it as helpful as some of these other

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things. And so I, it's like, I have to purposefully intentionally remember that it exists and then try

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to use it. So like I use that for stuff. If I'm going to use, if I'm going to be working with,

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um, like personal data, like if I'm going to be giving away something, or if I have questions

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about something more specific, I go to the, I go and I use that. I don't plug that just into

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chat QBT. I don't, I'm less likely to definitely way less likely to plug it into chat QBT. I don't

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give it like personal uh you know like identifying information um i made a post i want to just throw

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in there i made a post like a couple months ago and i had to renew my grok or my whole uh x profile

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because the prices went up steep you know yeah and i posted like wow i can't afford these i said

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i couldn't afford the x premium anymore so i canceled my chat gpt membership yeah yeah yeah

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it's like your, your dollars a vote. And I'm like, you know, there, and by the way,

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Chad GBT did certain things the best. I love how they could, I love how they could export,

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export PDFs, export, uh, those are things that the other ones aren't doing. So there's certain

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things that they still do the best, but yeah, I'm, uh, if my dollar, I can still get some of it free.

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And if my dollars a vote, I'm going to vote for, uh, the thing I believe in more, you know?

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Yeah. And so, I mean, so, I mean, that's kind of, I guess the, the biggest way,

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you know the biggest way that I'm currently using it is I mean again it'll be like a google it'll be

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a google plus type thing where I'm like all right you know I'm looking for this or I have these

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questions and I'll just throw it in there the thing that kills me is the like you still can't

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like it'll still get rid of your stuff over time that's something that I didn't factor in so like

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there's chats that I searched for three months ago four months ago that aren't there anymore

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and and I'm just like oh no because I had like all this really cool stuff that I had developed

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that is now just not there anymore. So I'm like, now I have to go back and, and redo it. And then

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I'm like, okay, now I know that I need to download this information. I need to, you know, do whatever

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with it. Um, so again, there's just things that you're, there's limitations, there's things to

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learn. Um, I mean, one of the areas, and let's just kind of talk through some of the other usages.

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One of the things is in ways that we think this is going to rehumanize, right? Like I understand

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this is a potentially a controversial opinion. I will fully acknowledge that some of this,

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it is difficult to calculate, to like put a number on, all right, where are we going to be in terms of

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beneficial versus potentially harmful, right? It's like, are you guys picking up nickels?

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There's a potential, are we just picking up nickels in front of the steamroller? We're like,

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oh, look, here's this nickel and look at this cool little, this little shiny bobble that this

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thing can do. And meanwhile, like we're walking into a panopticon, like I fully recognize the

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danger of that happening. You know, but at the same time, you're like, all right, like what do

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we actually, I mean, there is some of that that's like, what do we actually do about this?

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Is this just something that is going to happen?

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Um with that being said I mean one of the places that I I found myself using this a lot uh is in relation to auto care So I am not full disclosure Uh this is going to surprise probably a lot of our of our audience

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Um, I know nothing about cars.

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I, uh, I am not an engineer, uh, in terms of just temperament.

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And at the same time, I just find it fascinating.

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You just find it just fascinating to find and try to understand the underlying logic or to realize that there is an underlying logic, that this isn't just completely haphazard by the way that my car works or the way that computers work.

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There is an underlying logic.

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These things do make sense.

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There are systems that make sense that you can follow, that once you have a basic understanding, you can figure all this out.

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And so one of the places that I've used AI is in relation to auto care.

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So I was driving probably four months ago. I was driving a car four or five months ago. I was driving this car that I have, and the check engine light starts flashing. I'm thinking to myself, oh, no, I know that this is a good way to blow up your cars if you drive with the check engine light flashing.

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so I you know pull over uh just I start telling JGBT I think it was uh these are the symptoms

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and it basically says hey the overwhelmingly more likely most likely thing that's wrong with your

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car is either a spark plug or the ignition coil that the the spark plug I found out is housed in

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and and so they're like so again it was helpful it got me it's like hey the overwhelming majority

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of the cases this is what's likely very likely wrong and yet that got me to the point where I

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I was like, okay, I still need to go to an expert.

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I still need to go to the auto parts store to a guy who has a computer that he can plug

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in and confirm that this is what the problem is.

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So I did that, ended up going, the guy's like, yep, it's a spark plug.

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So all you got to do is just take this.

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Is this something that I can do myself?

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And he goes, yeah, you can do this.

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So I just proceeded to go home.

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I proceeded to take pictures, plug those into ChatGPT.

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and just, it might've been Grock, one of the two,

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and just kind of said what was happening,

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said that, told the issue I was having.

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And it just systematically walked me right through.

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I replaced it, you know, replaced the spark plug

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and the car worked like new.

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It's worked like new.

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And I just remember just walking away from that

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and just being blown away.

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Just blown away that, and again,

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the more information you give it,

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the more helpful it was.

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I was with my kids. My kids like to skateboard. So we were at a skate park. I'm parked out there

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working on my computer. Uh, and after two hours of sitting there, just idling the car, the, the

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ignition or the check engine light starts flashing again. And so I look at this and I'm like, Oh no.

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And I, again, I didn't think about the previous time that this had happened with my other car.

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And so I ended up turning the car off thinking like, Oh, that's going to magically do anything.

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It obviously didn't. I turned it back on, the light flashes on. And so I proceed to start to

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open up either, I think it was Grok and start to just outline the problems. Hey,

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I was sitting here for two hours. The check engine light is flashing. And I gave it as much

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information as I could think about. And it was like, it just basically said to me, oh, that's

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super helpful. So given the parameters, given the information that you gave, and if there's anything

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else that comes to mind, just let me know. It's very likely that it's either the spark plug or

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the ignition coil. And I was like, okay, you know, but again, still had the same problem of

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yes, but I don't have a way to close that gap between it's 99% most likely this, but how do I

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bridge that 1% gap of certainty without, you know, risking blowing up a card. And so, yeah. And so

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like it was helpful, got it. And I had a buddy who was there with his kids. I went over to him

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and just basically I called AAA. They were going to come just, you know, tow me somewhere. And the

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buddy who I talked to has like the same van that I do, but one year newer. And he just basically

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said, Hey man, based on what you're describing, uh, I do think it is the, the spark plug or the

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ignition coil. And if you want me to like, I'll just, my wife is bringing my tools right now.

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I'm happy to help you. And so within an hour, we had gone and bought the parts, we'd replaced them.

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We had found something else that was wrong with the van. I had like my, uh, like the air,

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there's like some sort of uh air tube or whatever that air intake tube or something like that that

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had this giant crack in it that i just hadn't seen vacuum line yeah and so i just basically got that

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got that part and within an hour we had replaced everything and the car was looking like new

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and so so really what i you know we were talking before you have done the call like what i realized

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is okay so what i need to do is i in order to close that 99% gap or 95% this is in 95% of the

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cases, this is the problem. The one thing that I need to do to be more able to solve this problem

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is I just need one of those computers. I just need one of the computers for my car. And then again,

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I can just diagnose it right away with that. And those aren't very expensive at all. And so,

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so between those two things, again, the biggest thing that I lacked was not even information.

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to go out and spend, literally it would have been a thousand dollars at least to between parts and

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labor and time, whatever, not to mention the time that I wouldn't have had the vehicle, not to

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mention the inconvenience of all these other things, all the other things that would compound,

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you know, AI and, you know, these other things ended up AI and good friends. Like we're still

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in a world where we need both of them. They're not sufficient in on their own. And so, yeah,

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There's a couple examples where I just have found this very helpful.

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Now, again, could I have done the same thing with YouTube or with Google or YouTube?

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To a degree, it would have taken way longer, right?

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Like I could have looked and found a video of somebody doing this.

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It's possible.

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I've got a good follow-up to that, Jordan.

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And I know we should talk about fixing cars the whole time because I could.

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But it's perfect.

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I think it's a good other side, right?

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How do you balance it with local experts and friends?

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And it's a perfect example because I had on my truck and actually yesterday I repaired on my Escalade a tie rod end for the first time in my life.

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And it made my steering on my wife's vehicle.

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That's actually a safety issue.

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Made the steering better and I diagnosed one other problem.

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But this one was on my F-150 and it blew a transmission line.

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And so I was searching on AI for so long.

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It's so hard to find this thing because it's like a long steel piece that goes back like

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six feet and you have to wiggle it all through.

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And somewhere in my human intuition, I'm like, there's got to be a simpler thing than this.

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You know, and I'm trying to look up like, is this line pressurized?

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Is there, are there any ways people, and sometimes I'll say, search Reddit.

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Are there anything people do to like temporarily fix it?

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Finally, I probably spent two hours, you know, cause I'm trying to get this thing.

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My truck is down.

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I can't use it.

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Got to haul trash, everything like that.

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finally, I had this intuition, like, I'll bet you I can just put a hose in there.

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You know, I go into the old timey shop. It's not even, it's called Pahoa Auto Parts.

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You know, my town is like owned by one guy, his house is in the back.

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His, you know, that's the kind of guy he is. And I'm like, Hey, I got this thing.

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You know, I think, can I just swap a tube on here? He's like, Oh yeah.

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You just need a, you just need a fuel line. You know, he's like DOT.

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They want you to have the steel lines, but as long as you're not,

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it's not hitting a fan or something, you're good. And I'm like, I knew it.

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I knew it, but all I needed, but all I needed was 10 seconds with this guy.

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I'd already spent two hours on AI and that's a perfect reversal where I'm like, I think,

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and so what I've learned to do, and I just repaired, actually, let me share my screen.

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I just repaired something yesterday that I tested before this call and it's a solar panel.

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So my solar panel stopped working.

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this runs a water pump at a farm if our church and I pump punched in the numbers and um it said

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oh when that happens you know it's this diode and it won't allow the power to come through and you

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know I think it was like eight dollars for 20 of these or something like that and last night you

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know I just soldered this on here and tested today and it's working and that is not my specialty

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whatsoever, you know? So, so the human, the human part, I I've kind of learned, especially on

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important things, because I have had AI lie to me too. It lied to me about my timing chain.

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So if, so if I do a little AI lesson, as I understand it here, LLMs are super powerful

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for certain things and other things they're not as powerful for. And so vehicles to the point of

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vehicles, F-150s, there's like 50 million of them or something. You know, I made that number up,

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but there's like millions and millions and millions of them.

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Your car, whatever your car is,

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most cars have like three to five things

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that typically go out.

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That's a problem.

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And oftentimes there's like an upgrade that fixes it, you know?

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So LLMs are so good at that

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because this problem has happened hundreds of thousands of times.

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So LLM stands for large language model.

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That means they can go out and scrape the info

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and bring you back the information back.

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and I don't know if that's a lesson for anybody out there because part of what I think the

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humanizing part we're trying to talk about, my brother-in-law asked me this about music because

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he's a musician. One of the things I said, AI creeps us out because it seems like it's a person.

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That's why it's creepy. But it isn't a person. It is just another tech. It's just another form

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of tech. And I think thinking about it biblically, thinking about it philosophically, there's really

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no tech that people should be ultimately afraid of because a discovery of something new is just

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a discovery of more truth in the world, if that makes sense. Tech in a certain sense is truth.

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So we humans didn't invent electricity. We discovered it. We humans didn't invent anything

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that really matters. We discovered air conditioning, right? We discovered that if

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something goes from compressed and it goes from something that's compressed to decompressed,

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it causes coldness here and hotness here, right? That happens with storms. That happens with

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whoever. We took that and we made refrigeration. We took that and we made air conditioning.

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There's probably a thousand cities in the world that wouldn't exist if there wasn't air

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conditioning without even joking. I've heard someone talk about that. Atlanta wouldn't exist.

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Atlanta wouldn't exist. Las Vegas wouldn't exist, period. That city's not there

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except for this invention. So those are not really like humans invented it. Those are like,

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we discovered a principle of the universe. And trying to bring that to AI is a little more

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challenging because AI is built upon huge data sets, which came from other technology,

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which came from like being able to have huge data sets due to like data storage technology

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and high levels of computation. And you took high levels of computation and huge data sets.

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And someone said, you know, together as a community, as a world community, we go, wow,

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what if we could figure out with the computation, how to really access what we need in the data sets.

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And essentially, you guys can correct me if you think I went off anywhere, but essentially that's

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LLMs. That's LLMs. It's not, it's not a person. It seems like a person because it sounds kind of

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like that and it interfaces with you in that way. But, um, it's not, even if you feel like it's

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creepy, you have to understand it's not even a matter of, do I like having this in the world or

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not? It's here. Yeah. And it, and it isn't something we invented. It's something that was

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there to discover in a certain way. Yeah. And this, man, this really is, this is a,

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it's something that I think about a lot. I do think it's, it's, there's a ton of things I,

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we should have make a, we should make a running list. This should be something, a gag that we do

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over and over again is just keeping track of things that have been presented. Oh, this is just

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the future. This is the future. You know, it's going to be just like this. There, you know,

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there's no way you can get around this. And then there's those things that then just disappear.

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like there's been a lot of things that people have been like, Oh,

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it's going to be the future. No, this is going to be it.

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And then it's just gone because a lot,

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it just all these things were based on faulty understandings of either reality

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or faulty understandings of people or faulty understandings of overestimating,

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you know, the, you know, certain things. And yeah,

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I do think that we, we don't have a good understanding of technology.

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This has been something that we've, we've done more work. The,

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the Thank God for Noster podcast is on a, is on a extended hiatus right now.

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And so, but that's something that we, over the, you know, year and a half that we were,

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you know, for the first year and a half, we, we talked a ton about philosophy of technology

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and just trying to think about like, how do we rightly think about this?

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Because there's people who go, oh, well, technology, you know, technology is neutral.

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And it's like, there's, it depends on the technology.

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Like there are neutral technologies, you know, like there are things that are, there are tools, but at the same time, there are tools that shape the way that you see the world in ways that are not neutral.

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And so, for example, like one of the, one of the things that there's a guy named Alistair Roberts, who's a theologian and just friend, he's a, he's a good dude.

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But one of the things that he talks about is like the most damaging thing that ever happened for church membership was the, it was the creation of the automobile.

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because whereas in the past, basically travel was much more difficult and costly for time,

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the automobile allowed you to travel and move away from communities in ways that were much more

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difficult, that there was a cost to using them. And so something like church discipline, right?

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Uh, this is something where if somebody goes off the rails, again, the church tries to,

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tries to, you know, reach out to them and minister to them to, to convince them to abandon their

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harmful, you know, pattern of life. Uh, but in the age of the automobile, uh, you can basically,

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you can disappear from, you know, going to a church in your local town. You can drive to another

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church that's in your town. That's, that's could be up to an hour away. So you could be 60, 70

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miles. It allows you to access towns at distances where nobody knows you. Nobody knows what you've

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been involved with. And so then you could potentially, or whoever this person is, could

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00:31:21,780 --> 00:31:29,440
be harmful to that spiritual community. And so we can acknowledge that technology can be neutral,

407
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:34,220
but there's also a limit to that understanding because it can shape, it can present a different

408
00:31:34,220 --> 00:31:40,761
world, it can alter and shape and affect the way that we see and live in the world in ways that are

409
00:31:40,761 --> 00:31:47,520
very anti-human and in ways that are at odds with how, you know, God intended us to live.

410
00:31:48,180 --> 00:31:53,860
And so, yeah, I just think there's, I mean, yeah, there's other ways you can think about this too,

411
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,840
right? It's, I mean, you can think about electricity, which, you know, God created us

412
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:03,020
to need sleep. He created, you know, he put a light in the sky and it's up for a certain amount

413
00:32:03,020 --> 00:32:08,340
of time per day for the majority of us, depending on where we live, it's up for a certain period of

414
00:32:08,340 --> 00:32:14,120
time and then it's gone. And that's instructive. That's a good gift from the Lord. And so something

415
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:21,160
like electricity can fundamentally shape the world that we live in, right? Our experience of

416
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:28,280
the world by enabling us to, if we wanted to, live in perpetual sunshine for all day long.

417
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,900
and there's been all kinds of studies done to how, you know, that, that affects our circadian

418
00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:37,620
rhythms and affects all kinds of other things. So again, I do think that we're still trying to

419
00:32:37,620 --> 00:32:43,480
reconcile and figure out, you know, the, the effect and how to think about AI in this, in this context.

420
00:32:44,220 --> 00:32:48,920
There's always going to be, yeah, go ahead. If I could stand up for the neutrality position,

421
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,960
and I'm not even saying that's my position, but just to, just to stand in place of that.

422
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,440
Yeah. It's like the example you gave is a great example of community,

423
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,480
and church membership and stuff.

424
00:33:00,580 --> 00:33:02,241
And I actually walked to my church.

425
00:33:03,300 --> 00:33:05,020
And some other people do too.

426
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,780
There was this, my car broke down at the grocery store.

427
00:33:08,420 --> 00:33:10,100
I see Carl from church.

428
00:33:10,540 --> 00:33:11,460
He drives me home.

429
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,400
Then now his car is broken down.

430
00:33:13,501 --> 00:33:44,641
He walked to church because he close enough And after church I like you want to ride home Anyway the point is I wanted to make is it kind of like all tech is a force multiplier you know So it multiplies in a sense what in your heart and gives you more power where that person who doesn want to hear that he done anything wrong wanted to leave anyway but he didn want to suffer the social cost of like just being like I don go to church anymore Why Because you said that I not perfect right

431
00:33:44,961 --> 00:33:50,081
Uh, and, uh, and so, or I asked you for money and you said, what do you need it for?

432
00:33:50,501 --> 00:33:51,561
I don't have to take this.

433
00:33:51,621 --> 00:33:52,661
I'm going somewhere else.

434
00:33:52,741 --> 00:33:53,261
You know what I mean?

435
00:33:53,661 --> 00:33:57,541
I'm going to ask for money over there, which happens all the time, by the way, as a pastor,

436
00:33:57,541 --> 00:33:59,961
I've had, I've had the conversation both ways.

437
00:33:59,961 --> 00:34:02,121
Like, Hey, I heard so-and-so might be going to your church.

438
00:34:02,321 --> 00:34:05,921
Just so you know, they might be asking you for money soon and I'll, you know, leave it

439
00:34:05,921 --> 00:34:07,441
up to you what you should do about that.

440
00:34:08,041 --> 00:34:12,421
And, um, that's, that's the modern world if you have healthy inter-church relationships.

441
00:34:12,421 --> 00:34:38,201
But yeah, that person would have probably stayed on the threat of not spiritual things, but of like these social things. But now they have the power to just like disappear and make up a new story and, you know, blah, blah, blah. And in the same way, you know, guns from arrows and everything else just multiplies it to a higher level. That's kind of, I think that's kind of the neutrality argument. And it goes along with what really is tech.

442
00:34:38,201 --> 00:34:45,021
You know, now that we have guns, unless every single person on earth is wiped out, the knowledge of how to do it exists.

443
00:34:45,561 --> 00:34:46,981
It can never, we can never go back.

444
00:34:47,381 --> 00:34:49,581
It's because it isn't, it isn't the steel.

445
00:34:49,801 --> 00:34:51,041
It isn't the machines.

446
00:34:51,241 --> 00:34:52,221
It's the knowledge.

447
00:34:52,921 --> 00:34:53,381
Yeah.

448
00:34:53,561 --> 00:35:05,321
I have a, I wanted to just talk about a positive change that I see happening and I don't, I'm not sure that it's very commonly seen.

449
00:35:05,321 --> 00:35:14,481
And so as we've been talking about how AI is helping us interact with the real world more often now.

450
00:35:14,561 --> 00:35:18,501
So it's like we're constantly coming across problems every day.

451
00:35:18,821 --> 00:35:26,421
When you have instant access to almost any information, it does enable it.

452
00:35:26,421 --> 00:35:31,221
It encourages you to take on the car project, the appliance project, the home project,

453
00:35:31,221 --> 00:35:37,061
like a million different things that maybe you don't have someone that was an expert

454
00:35:37,061 --> 00:35:40,381
that you actually had really quick, like you had access to.

455
00:35:41,601 --> 00:35:49,701
But for better, I mean, at the end of the day, AI tools are helping push us forward

456
00:35:49,701 --> 00:35:52,941
in the sense that like, I'm doing more things with my car now.

457
00:35:52,941 --> 00:35:58,361
I'm taking on more car projects, more home projects, more like I'm actually getting back into the appliance trade.

458
00:35:58,361 --> 00:36:06,041
So it's like it's causing me to branch out and repair different types of appliances, brands that I didn't use to deal with before.

459
00:36:08,061 --> 00:36:10,221
And that's a good development.

460
00:36:10,561 --> 00:36:12,881
And it's happening to millions of people.

461
00:36:12,881 --> 00:36:20,681
and one again back to what i was originally starting with um people have no idea how disruptive

462
00:36:20,681 --> 00:36:27,561
ai is going to be to most white well i'll say most jobs period but i'll especially i'm going

463
00:36:27,561 --> 00:36:34,001
to start with white collar like information related desk jobs like we're about over the

464
00:36:34,001 --> 00:36:40,181
next 10 years we're gonna there's going to be the biggest shift in employment like i mean probably

465
00:36:40,181 --> 00:36:48,461
easily back to like the industrial revolution it's going to be absolutely massive like how capable

466
00:36:48,461 --> 00:36:54,541
um the ai tools are right now are again they're they're a hundred times more advanced than people

467
00:36:54,541 --> 00:37:01,681
understand uh it we're literally in this weird uh catch-up phase where business owners they just

468
00:37:01,681 --> 00:37:05,601
literally don't most of them don't have a clue but they're going to very quickly because their

469
00:37:05,601 --> 00:37:12,821
competitors are going to. And anyways, I don't think that that's necessarily a bad thing. There's

470
00:37:12,821 --> 00:37:16,961
a lot of people that are going to be changing careers and a lot of jobs that are going to go

471
00:37:16,961 --> 00:37:23,301
away. But if you look out across the United States, for example, there's a lot. And I would say what?

472
00:37:24,241 --> 00:37:30,041
There's an enormous amount of jobs that I would say are a net negative for our society.

473
00:37:30,041 --> 00:37:37,001
uh and again a much longer discussion uh money printing has enabled the misallocation of resources

474
00:37:37,001 --> 00:37:44,501
at a scale like we've never seen before in the history of the world and ai ironically is going

475
00:37:44,501 --> 00:37:49,461
to be a big giant bubble burster when it comes to a lot of those like worthless jobs they're just

476
00:37:49,461 --> 00:37:54,881
not going to be necessary and as companies have to be they're going to be forced into becoming more

477
00:37:54,881 --> 00:38:00,201
efficient and not wasteful um all those jobs are going away i'll just say that straight up

478
00:38:00,201 --> 00:38:05,541
and it's going to be a lot faster than people recognize so and i don't say i don't think that's

479
00:38:05,541 --> 00:38:13,781
a bad thing and then at the same time um i see well so younger generation i think they are they're

480
00:38:13,781 --> 00:38:17,421
getting they're wisening up and they're getting back into the trades more than ever so they're

481
00:38:17,421 --> 00:38:22,441
actually um they're going back into physically making things building things repairing things

482
00:38:22,441 --> 00:38:31,021
which is ultimately what the world and our society has needed as, again, it's misallocated resources.

483
00:38:31,221 --> 00:38:33,361
Humans are the most valuable resources we have.

484
00:38:33,521 --> 00:38:38,381
And when you take them and you put them into jobs that are completely meaningless, completely worthless,

485
00:38:39,381 --> 00:38:47,241
just that's not an improvement to the world, even though they technically got a salary.

486
00:38:47,241 --> 00:38:53,241
It's like, that's not doing the job that an automaton could do.

487
00:38:54,481 --> 00:38:54,581
Yep.

488
00:38:55,361 --> 00:38:58,061
You know, and can I throw, yeah.

489
00:38:58,881 --> 00:39:02,921
I just want to say a philosophical thing and we can leave it be or go into it.

490
00:39:03,001 --> 00:39:08,381
But I think, imagine you had all power, you know, technology gave you all power.

491
00:39:08,461 --> 00:39:09,541
Now you're kind of God, right?

492
00:39:09,561 --> 00:39:10,641
Like God's eye of you.

493
00:39:11,301 --> 00:39:16,301
The real question that AI can't answer for us is like, what's good for humans?

494
00:39:16,301 --> 00:39:22,501
right what's good for humans and on another sense in the market sense what do humans want what do

495
00:39:22,501 --> 00:39:28,341
humans need you know that's more of a market part and that's where all humans but especially

496
00:39:28,341 --> 00:39:36,121
we fellow christians uh should be saying technology should be used including ai for things which are

497
00:39:36,121 --> 00:39:42,741
help human flourishing and those things are 10 000 different things but knowing what those are

498
00:39:42,741 --> 00:39:47,121
there's going to be an edge in business. There's going to be an edge in entertainment and media.

499
00:39:47,621 --> 00:39:52,621
There's going to be an edge in, you know, imagine, I love the thoughts of solving the simplest things,

500
00:39:52,961 --> 00:39:56,921
water in places no one has drinking water. It's like the simplest thing you can imagine.

501
00:39:57,241 --> 00:40:03,221
They don't have drinking water. Now they have water. Now their death at childbirth is reduced

502
00:40:03,221 --> 00:40:09,081
by like 500%. You know what I mean? So even things like that, and I don't want to go on and on,

503
00:40:09,081 --> 00:40:16,841
But the point being, humans have to direct what is good, what do we want, what do we need, and what is good for humanity?

504
00:40:17,241 --> 00:40:25,041
And those are questions that can't be answered in an LLM other than comparing and contrasting like comparative religion, comparative philosophy.

505
00:40:26,421 --> 00:40:38,021
Yeah, somebody, Nick Carter posted, like it was like last week, was like, it was something about, it's never been a better time to be an ideas guy.

506
00:40:38,021 --> 00:40:45,181
he's like because like i like it's like up to this point the limitation for an ideas guy which

507
00:40:45,181 --> 00:40:49,441
is what i'm like i'm an ideas guy like the the limitation for me was i don't know how to build

508
00:40:49,441 --> 00:40:54,881
anything like i i'm just not a programmer i'm not a developer and he just basically like that's just

509
00:40:54,881 --> 00:40:59,041
gone out the window like now if you have ideas and again it takes time to learn all these things

510
00:40:59,041 --> 00:41:05,101
but like if you have ideas and and like a basic you spend some basic time just to understand these

511
00:41:05,101 --> 00:41:10,201
tools, you can, you can create things that would have been, that would have taken, you know, a

512
00:41:10,201 --> 00:41:16,301
dozen people and tens of thousands, if not more of dollars. Um, and so like that, that kind of

513
00:41:16,301 --> 00:41:22,741
thing is, I mean, just that reality is, is going to be really good. Now, again, the, the problem is

514
00:41:22,741 --> 00:41:27,161
we're at, um, if we're going to go as much as we've said, this is going to be the, the, the

515
00:41:27,161 --> 00:41:33,481
rehumanizing thing, uh, re rehumanizing effective AI. It does, as I say that the, the verse that

516
00:41:33,481 --> 00:41:38,781
comes to mind is, uh, you know, the, the scariest, one of the scariest things in the scriptures,

517
00:41:38,781 --> 00:41:44,761
which is God's evaluation of the tower of Babel. Now, nothing that they want to do will be impossible

518
00:41:44,761 --> 00:41:50,861
for them. Right. Like when God says that one, yeah. Like when God says that nothing they will

519
00:41:50,861 --> 00:41:54,921
want to do, he he's not meaning that as a compliment he's, but he's saying like, and again,

520
00:41:54,921 --> 00:41:59,521
he's not saying like anything, anything, but like the, like human, human collaboration,

521
00:41:59,521 --> 00:42:15,161
Exactly. Like human collaboration can be a terrifying thing when it allows them to deny certain fundamental realities of, you know, whether they're biological realities or spiritual realities or whatever.

522
00:42:15,161 --> 00:42:21,241
um but i do think i do think that you know like one again to bring this full circle to bitcoin

523
00:42:21,241 --> 00:42:26,941
one of the things that is so revolutionary about bitcoin is just the bringing it brings up the

524
00:42:26,941 --> 00:42:32,401
reality that everything is grounded in energy and and energy is is grounded in reality like it's

525
00:42:32,401 --> 00:42:38,721
this real thing at the end of the day energy costs are the most basic uh you know the most basic uh

526
00:42:38,721 --> 00:42:44,261
level most basic need of all businesses whether they're individuals whether they're yeah you can't

527
00:42:44,261 --> 00:42:48,361
fake it. You, you know, you can't fake it. You can try to shortcut it so you can drink your monster

528
00:42:48,361 --> 00:42:53,201
energy drink and, you know, like over the short term, you can get a short term benefit, but then

529
00:42:53,201 --> 00:42:57,321
you're going to crash. You're going to pay the piper, um, you know, physically or, you know,

530
00:42:57,361 --> 00:43:03,601
mentally, whatever it is. And so, um, so I just think like a world, a world where we, again,

531
00:43:03,641 --> 00:43:08,541
with the world goes like this, we cycle through, you know, things where we acknowledge and we,

532
00:43:08,541 --> 00:43:12,841
you know, acknowledge the reality, physical reality, spiritual reality, whatever. And then,

533
00:43:12,841 --> 00:43:19,821
by virtue of benefiting, we benefit by acknowledging those realities. And then technology can allow us

534
00:43:19,821 --> 00:43:26,261
to kind of, it can lengthen the gap between when we feel the effects of a denial of reality.

535
00:43:26,821 --> 00:43:32,901
And so money printing is the way that this happens. Money printing has allowed all kinds of

536
00:43:32,901 --> 00:43:41,081
anti-human, anti-real reality technologies, whatever it is, ideologies, it's allowed them

537
00:43:41,081 --> 00:43:48,081
to exist because we can create money out of thin air in a world where money printed out of thin air

538
00:43:48,081 --> 00:43:52,621
goes the way of the dinosaur, right? Like where people, nobody wants to accept it.

539
00:43:53,081 --> 00:43:56,701
Isn't it interesting that a new technology is the thing that's checking that?

540
00:43:57,461 --> 00:43:58,241
Yeah. Yeah.

541
00:43:58,301 --> 00:44:04,021
Satoshi releasing Bitcoin into the world was like an atomic bomb going off in a war against

542
00:44:04,021 --> 00:44:09,201
fiat currency and their unlimited money printing. And it's like, do you see?

543
00:44:09,201 --> 00:44:15,281
Like, so like I do like the roller coaster of like, oh, I was, I was, I remember being back.

544
00:44:15,361 --> 00:44:20,121
It was like 2012 or 13, 14, something right there.

545
00:44:20,201 --> 00:44:21,581
This is after Bitcoin had been released.

546
00:44:21,661 --> 00:44:22,941
I had barely been on my radar.

547
00:44:23,221 --> 00:44:28,081
I was like in despair because I'm like, oh, our one chance to become fiscally responsible.

548
00:44:28,581 --> 00:44:30,401
And they bailed out all the banks again.

549
00:44:30,481 --> 00:44:33,081
The whole thing from the great financial crash, 2008.

550
00:44:33,441 --> 00:44:37,381
They didn't learn their lessons, punting again, screwing everyone over again.

551
00:44:37,381 --> 00:44:39,401
and it's like, dude, what?

552
00:44:39,521 --> 00:44:40,881
I was like, how in the world

553
00:44:40,881 --> 00:44:43,021
are we ever going to fight back against this?

554
00:44:43,421 --> 00:44:44,361
Literally nobody even,

555
00:44:44,481 --> 00:44:45,761
like nobody's even paying attention,

556
00:44:45,961 --> 00:44:47,401
which is one of the biggest issues.

557
00:44:47,561 --> 00:44:49,861
And all of a sudden Satoshi sneaks on the scene,

558
00:44:50,081 --> 00:44:52,441
just quietly releases some code.

559
00:44:53,401 --> 00:44:55,801
But it's literally, it was like a bomb going off.

560
00:44:56,221 --> 00:44:57,961
So we have to be careful about,

561
00:44:58,121 --> 00:45:00,821
again, it's like, it's so easy to demonize technology.

562
00:45:00,941 --> 00:45:02,361
And it's like, no, God uses technology.

563
00:45:02,621 --> 00:45:05,441
He also uses it to check the wickedness in the world.

564
00:45:05,441 --> 00:45:17,341
And I do actually, even though there's going to be wickedness that's going to come from AI, I actually see some of the advances that AI is going to, that it's happening.

565
00:45:17,541 --> 00:45:27,701
It is going to check some of the worthless debauchery that is going on in our culture in the work world, in the misallocation of resources.

566
00:45:28,281 --> 00:45:30,221
And yeah, anyways.

567
00:45:30,561 --> 00:45:33,901
I can see a paradigm like, I'm sorry, go ahead, Jordan, if you had something.

568
00:45:33,901 --> 00:45:35,021
No, go ahead, Ryan, you're good.

569
00:45:35,441 --> 00:45:38,141
You mean that? Yeah. I'm so sorry, Matt.

570
00:45:38,521 --> 00:45:52,901
I was going to say, here's a paradigm. 20 years ago, I would have said, I don't want cars being driven by robots. I don't want robot cars. They're already talking about it 20 years ago. That's creepy. Who's going to be responsible in the case of an accident? All the same arguments you hear today.

571
00:45:52,901 --> 00:45:59,941
and then I drove around people for a while so you don't like you don't want to have robot cars

572
00:45:59,941 --> 00:46:06,461
have you ever tried driving around people they're the worst people are a hundred times worse um and

573
00:46:06,461 --> 00:46:13,721
so I'll take one in 10 million but yeah but the problem is like see this is where I'm gonna

574
00:46:13,721 --> 00:46:16,961
disagree with you we know we don't get enough disagreement on this podcast so let's do it

575
00:46:16,961 --> 00:46:21,181
Like the problem is, it's like, it's one thing to say.

576
00:46:21,261 --> 00:46:23,161
I mean, I don't think humans are 100% worse.

577
00:46:23,281 --> 00:46:26,621
I think humans with phones are 100% worse.

578
00:46:27,181 --> 00:46:27,941
Like that's the thing.

579
00:46:28,001 --> 00:46:32,161
I've almost died in the last three weeks because of people who I think were on their phones.

580
00:46:32,501 --> 00:46:33,501
Like, and so it's like.

581
00:46:33,561 --> 00:46:34,581
I had one time when I was.

582
00:46:34,581 --> 00:46:35,681
Humans without self.

583
00:46:35,821 --> 00:46:37,941
I had a time when I was hitchhiking, you guys.

584
00:46:38,021 --> 00:46:39,121
Just, it was kind of for fun.

585
00:46:39,181 --> 00:46:40,961
I wasn't that broke, but my car was broken down.

586
00:46:40,981 --> 00:46:43,821
And I'm like, I'm going to hitchhike like some of the people around here do, which they do here.

587
00:46:43,821 --> 00:46:50,381
and I got picked up by pretty much like 75% people drinking beers, you know? So it's like,

588
00:46:50,461 --> 00:46:53,961
there's way more people out there drinking and driving than you even think about, you know? And

589
00:46:53,961 --> 00:46:59,001
I'm talking about like a 30 cans on the seat and they're the ones picking me up for hitchhiking.

590
00:46:59,301 --> 00:47:07,401
Anyway, so, and I guess what I'm trying to say is in a way, this was always the best is to not

591
00:47:07,401 --> 00:47:12,061
make the driving the thing that we do, but the thing we do is why are we driving there for a

592
00:47:12,061 --> 00:47:16,141
meeting? Why are we driving there to see our family? And I think if we can switch it, so driving

593
00:47:16,141 --> 00:47:21,141
is one of those things and I'm fine with the disagreement. So other things like art we talked

594
00:47:21,141 --> 00:47:27,421
about, okay, art, media, et cetera. People think, well, this is creepy. Now you're going to be

595
00:47:27,421 --> 00:47:32,361
seeing all AI art. Well, guess what? None of it's going to be compelling unless it's put together

596
00:47:32,361 --> 00:47:37,081
by a very creative mind, period. It's not going to be compelling. You might be able to get some

597
00:47:37,081 --> 00:47:42,441
stuff that will entice your two-year-old to watch for four hours long because it's just like

598
00:47:42,441 --> 00:47:48,141
dinosaurs bumping around the screen or something like that with a dumb plot. But no, it's not going

599
00:47:48,141 --> 00:47:52,941
to become the next big thing unless a person directs it and makes it good. And I've been

600
00:47:52,941 --> 00:47:59,441
watching recently like the three, four minutes PSYOP anime group. I don't know if you've seen

601
00:47:59,441 --> 00:48:05,961
that yet, but it's pretty incredible. Yes. It's insane. But guess what? Those guys are all anime

602
00:48:05,961 --> 00:48:12,421
guys. Those guys are guys who worked on physical anime. I don't know if all of them did. That's why

603
00:48:12,421 --> 00:48:17,301
it's so good. And I looked up on both details on what they did. It's a combination between AI

604
00:48:17,301 --> 00:48:21,781
and then they're cutting it and they're putting in the audio themselves. That's why it's so good.

605
00:48:22,221 --> 00:48:26,901
That's why it's not slop. And I'm not saying it will get better. It will get even more powerful

606
00:48:26,901 --> 00:48:30,481
where you can do the cuts and everything. I'm not saying it won't change, but in the end,

607
00:48:31,261 --> 00:48:35,401
to be that person, let's say you want to be that person. You're an amazing creator. You have amazing

608
00:48:35,401 --> 00:48:42,061
idea is amazing storyteller 30 years ago. Now you have to start off when you're like 17,

609
00:48:42,301 --> 00:48:48,381
making like $4 an hour in like a manga studio, drawing trees or something like that. And you

610
00:48:48,381 --> 00:48:52,181
have to work your way from this and you have to work it. And, and this is true in music. This is

611
00:48:52,181 --> 00:48:57,161
true in movies. And, you know, talk about the pipeline being filthy in Hollywood. You want,

612
00:48:57,201 --> 00:49:01,381
you wanted to get into Hollywood and make movies. Talk about the filth you have to go through and

613
00:49:01,381 --> 00:49:05,381
the parties you have to attend and the people you have to impress and all this other stuff you

614
00:49:05,381 --> 00:49:09,921
have to go through. And that goes back to my, oh, you don't like working with computers? Try

615
00:49:09,921 --> 00:49:15,381
working with people. Try working with the people in those industries. And even the church community,

616
00:49:15,381 --> 00:49:21,481
I knew a guy who had been in multiple churches, the lead worship leader for like 3,000, 5,000,

617
00:49:21,621 --> 00:49:28,761
Ryan knows him too. And the stuff he told me about back scenes over there, horrible, horrible.

618
00:49:28,961 --> 00:49:34,481
Because of that position, there's so much bad that goes on even within the Christian community.

619
00:49:34,481 --> 00:50:07,521
Because once something is attractive in a worldly sense it attracts the wrong kind of people as well as the right people So now you have this tool and AI is such an interesting cousin of Bitcoin in a way We could talk about that too but AI Now you have this tool where if you have a good idea and like 300 bucks you could make an epic three minute compelling video which will get you noticed get you on the scene And in the past that would have had to be part of it Luck part of its skill part of it like a decade of work

620
00:50:07,521 --> 00:50:12,561
and gatekeepers all along the way who they might not like you because you didn't do drugs with them.

621
00:50:12,781 --> 00:50:16,701
They might be like, this guy's judgmental because he wouldn't do cocaine when I laid it out for him.

622
00:50:16,821 --> 00:50:21,121
Now he's not going to get the position, right? That's the kind of stuff that's happened all this

623
00:50:21,121 --> 00:50:25,921
time. So to me, there's a parallel with the driving thing. It was always terrible. And one

624
00:50:25,921 --> 00:50:29,561
more thing on that that I'd love to bring up, deep fakes. People were like, no one's going to

625
00:50:29,561 --> 00:50:32,781
believe what they see. And you can't tell if it's deep fake. I'm like, you never should have

626
00:50:32,781 --> 00:50:37,421
believed what you saw in the first place. That's the lesson. You should have seen the news and be

627
00:50:37,421 --> 00:50:41,941
like, I don't know about that. It doesn't matter that there was no deep fakes. It was already fake.

628
00:50:42,081 --> 00:50:46,001
It was already fake. You shouldn't have believed it. I mean, you should have tested it. I'm not

629
00:50:46,001 --> 00:50:49,961
saying absolute. I'm saying- I don't, but here's the problem though. The problem is there's only

630
00:50:49,961 --> 00:50:54,721
so much time in the day like that's where like there's always going to be ways for scammers to

631
00:50:54,721 --> 00:51:00,141
win in the short term but like what you're because like you there's only so much time that you have

632
00:51:00,141 --> 00:51:04,841
it there's only so much attention that you have all these things are actually scarce like scarcity

633
00:51:04,841 --> 00:51:10,341
is actually built into the way that the world operates and we we still like we're getting to

634
00:51:10,341 --> 00:51:15,061
the point where we're more offended by people wasting our time and wasting our but like we're

635
00:51:15,061 --> 00:51:20,081
still nowhere near as offended as we should be. Like we're still nowhere near as, as frustrated

636
00:51:20,081 --> 00:51:27,681
as we ought to be. Uh, and so, but again, I still think as, as the margin that, I mean, again,

637
00:51:27,681 --> 00:51:31,921
I feel like people around the world get are, are, are less tolerant of it because they have less

638
00:51:31,921 --> 00:51:37,021
margin. One of the reasons why, like one of the things that's waking people up in the, in the

639
00:51:37,021 --> 00:51:41,601
United States finally is like the lack of margin that they're having. And so like when their lives

640
00:51:41,601 --> 00:51:45,661
were destroyed because of lies about COVID or their lives were destroyed because of, you know,

641
00:51:46,201 --> 00:51:50,241
you know, vaccine, whatever, all these kinds of things. Like it's, it's when you get to the point

642
00:51:50,241 --> 00:51:55,241
where it actually costs you something that it can, that you are moved to actually care and actually

643
00:51:55,241 --> 00:52:00,221
act. And so I think that's part of the problem is we've been so fat and comfortable and people

644
00:52:00,221 --> 00:52:04,101
were just like, I just don't want to lose my job or I don't want to do this, but you're getting,

645
00:52:04,221 --> 00:52:09,281
like, there's a tipping point where it actually, you realize, oh, I've already lost my job because

646
00:52:09,281 --> 00:52:15,721
I, you know, I got canceled because of whatever, whatever I did, or, you know, I, I got, um,

647
00:52:15,961 --> 00:52:19,741
you know, in the UK or something, Oh, I, I lost my job because I posted on Twitter.

648
00:52:19,841 --> 00:52:26,481
Like it's stuff like that, that it's like that level of, of overreach and insanity is

649
00:52:26,481 --> 00:52:27,481
paradoxically.

650
00:52:27,481 --> 00:52:32,481
And ironically, the thing that will actually move people to act with, with like reckless

651
00:52:32,481 --> 00:52:33,281
abandon, right?

652
00:52:33,341 --> 00:52:35,581
Like you have people, one of the, I can't remember what they call it.

653
00:52:35,581 --> 00:52:40,061
like they're not blade runners but it's people who are going around and they they smash the little

654
00:52:40,061 --> 00:52:46,781
uh the cameras that are uh like the these like surveillance that are in the uk camera it's not

655
00:52:46,781 --> 00:52:51,521
blade runner they send automatic tickets and stuff like that yes exactly and so there's people going

656
00:52:51,521 --> 00:52:55,441
around they they like dress up and then they go and they smash these things or they take like a

657
00:52:55,441 --> 00:53:00,321
saw and they like you know like a reciprocating saw and like cut down these cut down these things

658
00:53:00,321 --> 00:53:05,361
And it's just like, you wouldn't, you wouldn't do this unless like, there's like 25 insane

659
00:53:05,361 --> 00:53:08,601
steps that had to happen for the, for the, for anyone to get to the point where they're

660
00:53:08,601 --> 00:53:12,821
just like, I'm willing to risk whatever comes with this to, to take this out.

661
00:53:12,941 --> 00:53:19,221
And so again, all of these things, like the worst, like the worst abuses, they're, they're

662
00:53:19,221 --> 00:53:20,961
only going to have a limited shelf life.

663
00:53:21,061 --> 00:53:21,461
Right.

664
00:53:21,521 --> 00:53:23,341
And so that, that can, that ought to be encouraging.

665
00:53:23,561 --> 00:53:30,101
But the problem is even like that shelf life can still be catastrophic, AKA, you know, some

666
00:53:30,101 --> 00:53:33,721
of the things that happened in Nazi Germany, some of the things that happened in China today,

667
00:53:34,061 --> 00:53:38,561
like it, like the fact that there was a shelf life, like Christians can be way too dismissive

668
00:53:38,561 --> 00:53:42,821
of like, well, God's on the throne, brother, God's on the throne. Like it's like, yes,

669
00:53:43,081 --> 00:53:47,441
he can still be on the throne. And, and that's, that ought not to be something that just motivates

670
00:53:47,441 --> 00:53:53,761
you to inaction or just to, you know, just to, to, you know, marginalize or minimize the damage

671
00:53:53,761 --> 00:53:57,781
that can be done. So I think that like, you know, that one of the things that I see is just again,

672
00:53:57,781 --> 00:54:02,901
to your point, to the point that we talked about, like AI can be great. Some of the greatest harm

673
00:54:02,901 --> 00:54:09,161
that can be done is because of centralized AI. And so like, there ought to be, there ought to be

674
00:54:09,161 --> 00:54:13,321
people taking that seriously and then investing in companies, you know, investing in supporting

675
00:54:13,321 --> 00:54:18,301
companies like a Maple AI, uh, or there's a number of other ones. I think Jameson Lopp has one that

676
00:54:18,301 --> 00:54:23,121
he supports that's a, or he's invested in or something that's a, you know, a private AI where

677
00:54:23,121 --> 00:54:25,341
It's locally hosted AI is what it is.

678
00:54:26,141 --> 00:54:28,141
But again, all of these things, it takes time to use them.

679
00:54:28,221 --> 00:54:29,501
It takes time to understand them.

680
00:54:30,001 --> 00:54:32,161
And so there's going to be learning curves.

681
00:54:33,761 --> 00:54:41,821
I think there's a lurking point that is underneath some of what you were saying, Jordan, and maybe even Ryan, where the word reputation.

682
00:54:42,741 --> 00:54:46,221
And so like what I said, you should have never trusted them, right?

683
00:54:46,221 --> 00:54:48,101
I'm using that as an extreme case.

684
00:54:48,101 --> 00:54:57,941
But you trusted them because they had a reputation and they built a reputation on, we make sure our journalism is correct and we double check it, we fact check it.

685
00:54:58,101 --> 00:55:01,601
And this one newscaster has been on for like 20 years.

686
00:55:01,661 --> 00:55:04,321
He's not going to risk his career for a lie, right?

687
00:55:04,941 --> 00:55:11,141
And little by little, that started deteriorating until now, no one trusts the MSM practically, the mainstream media.

688
00:55:12,141 --> 00:55:21,201
And one of the things that tech, not only AI, but also just social media and all that kind of stuff, in a weird way, it's, and I think we see this with college degrees.

689
00:55:21,201 --> 00:55:22,421
I'm trying to lump all these together.

690
00:55:22,541 --> 00:55:25,381
College degrees, you know, Elon's like, don't even go for getting a degree.

691
00:55:25,621 --> 00:55:27,101
You know, a lot of people, same thing.

692
00:55:27,461 --> 00:55:29,661
What were those degrees for in the first place?

693
00:55:29,801 --> 00:55:33,881
And my way of thinking about it is those are a proxy for your reputation.

694
00:55:34,181 --> 00:55:41,001
In other words, if I built 20 homes and people can go look at my homes and my community and go, Matt builds good homes, right?

695
00:55:41,141 --> 00:55:44,821
now I have a reputation, I'm going to have unlimited work, but that's on a local scale.

696
00:55:45,341 --> 00:55:51,641
So we say as a country, you need to be a contractor. So everyone knows you've gone

697
00:55:51,641 --> 00:55:55,181
through this much schooling, you've done this much hours of work and you're certified and you're

698
00:55:55,181 --> 00:56:01,881
insured. But all of those things are like large scale proxies for just having a good personal

699
00:56:01,881 --> 00:56:07,061
reputation. What I think I see happening in this day and age is we are, I'm not saying you shouldn't

700
00:56:07,061 --> 00:56:12,021
be a contractor. I'm just saying we are now being able to go back to the personal reputation

701
00:56:12,021 --> 00:56:16,041
because people are out there. A lot of people are there with their real names online on X and stuff

702
00:56:16,041 --> 00:56:21,421
like that. This is me. You can choose to trust me or not trust me, but I'm going to build my

703
00:56:21,421 --> 00:56:27,341
reputation on telling the truth, on admitting it when I made a mistake, on the work that I'm doing.

704
00:56:27,921 --> 00:56:30,821
And I think that's a really, really good thing because the personal reputation

705
00:56:30,821 --> 00:56:37,441
was the real thing and the certification was like a second best proxy and that's one of the

706
00:56:37,441 --> 00:56:46,121
positives about the modern era with ai and bitcoin and everything is we can rebuild personal um

707
00:56:46,121 --> 00:56:51,561
reputations even if we have certifications and degrees and stuff like that they they injected

708
00:56:51,561 --> 00:56:56,601
themselves into the equation like credit card companies just to extract yep to to be the

709
00:56:56,601 --> 00:57:04,401
arbiters of credentialism and it wasn't necessary. And yeah, it's, it's interesting. Like I want to

710
00:57:04,401 --> 00:57:11,721
say one, I want to jump back into that, the, the, the car thing, um, strictly from a human flourishing

711
00:57:11,721 --> 00:57:20,021
perspective, like self-driving cars in 10 or 15 years, even five years, they're going to save so

712
00:57:20,021 --> 00:57:25,081
many hundreds of thousands of lives per year. Like it's literally going to blow people's minds.

713
00:57:25,081 --> 00:57:31,601
and obviously there's going to be there'll be some privacy trade-offs and all that kind of stuff

714
00:57:31,601 --> 00:57:38,861
but at the end of the day I I have a really really hard time seeing it being a net negative and it's

715
00:57:38,861 --> 00:57:44,101
also one of the hardest jobs in the world okay if you just literally consider the the well-being

716
00:57:44,101 --> 00:57:50,321
and the flourishing of a family fathers who are long-haul truck drivers like that's a really

717
00:57:50,321 --> 00:57:53,081
really hard job on a family, right?

718
00:57:53,201 --> 00:57:55,121
The dad has to drive so far,

719
00:57:55,161 --> 00:57:56,421
he's just gone for a long time.

720
00:57:56,541 --> 00:57:58,581
It's like, and it's a dangerous job.

721
00:57:58,821 --> 00:58:00,301
Like, that would be incredible

722
00:58:00,301 --> 00:58:01,281
if there's long haul.

723
00:58:01,361 --> 00:58:01,481
Yeah.

724
00:58:01,801 --> 00:58:02,001
Dude.

725
00:58:02,201 --> 00:58:03,761
There's prostitutes at truck stops.

726
00:58:03,881 --> 00:58:04,921
Like there's lots of things.

727
00:58:05,221 --> 00:58:05,881
Yeah, yeah.

728
00:58:07,181 --> 00:58:09,341
And so prices will come down.

729
00:58:09,461 --> 00:58:10,921
It'll be better for those families.

730
00:58:11,061 --> 00:58:11,361
Why?

731
00:58:11,481 --> 00:58:12,741
Because it's not like,

732
00:58:13,141 --> 00:58:15,081
oh, my dad's never going to have a job again.

733
00:58:15,221 --> 00:58:16,381
No, he'll just like,

734
00:58:16,381 --> 00:58:18,401
if he's willing to work hard,

735
00:58:18,481 --> 00:58:19,941
there's like a hundred other things he can do

736
00:58:19,941 --> 00:58:26,941
So it's going to reshuffle around labor like we've never seen it before.

737
00:58:27,241 --> 00:58:34,701
Like the self-driving stuff is going to completely be – dude, Moses went to Texas.

738
00:58:35,281 --> 00:58:36,901
But wrong city in Texas.

739
00:58:37,081 --> 00:58:40,441
Up $50 Uber fee just to go to the airport to his hotel.

740
00:58:41,001 --> 00:58:44,321
And it's like, dude, give it two years.

741
00:58:44,321 --> 00:58:47,921
and the Tesla self-driving taxis are going to be there

742
00:58:47,921 --> 00:58:50,541
and it'll be $4 or $5 or something like that.

743
00:58:50,601 --> 00:58:52,541
And it's just like perfectly drive.

744
00:58:52,821 --> 00:58:54,361
Like it's just stuff I get.

745
00:58:54,421 --> 00:58:56,341
It's just extraction, you know, and all that like.

746
00:58:58,661 --> 00:58:59,321
It is.

747
00:58:59,781 --> 00:59:01,201
It is so hard though.

748
00:59:01,441 --> 00:59:02,481
Because you're just like, all right.

749
00:59:02,521 --> 00:59:04,581
So for example, the truck driving example,

750
00:59:04,821 --> 00:59:07,461
you're like, okay, so now it's,

751
00:59:07,821 --> 00:59:08,521
I mean, again, you just,

752
00:59:08,521 --> 00:59:10,401
the problem is like with all of these things,

753
00:59:10,461 --> 00:59:11,501
you're trying to weigh,

754
00:59:11,501 --> 00:59:18,681
you're just trying to weigh the cost because you're like okay so on the and let's say let's

755
00:59:18,681 --> 00:59:27,241
say 99 of the time right like 99 of the time it's going to be fantastic right to have a self-driving

756
00:59:27,241 --> 00:59:31,721
car okay it's going to be great there's obviously still going to be accidents there's still going

757
00:59:31,721 --> 00:59:36,141
to be things where the where the car computer gets confused or whatever like so but like let's

758
00:59:36,141 --> 00:59:40,641
say 99 of the time but the problem is the one percent of the time we're like the one you know

759
00:59:40,641 --> 00:59:43,661
the 0.1% of the time is a situation like Jason,

760
00:59:43,801 --> 00:59:45,441
the guy who works for Ocean, right?

761
00:59:45,961 --> 00:59:48,601
Who he, he on his spare time,

762
00:59:48,641 --> 00:59:50,121
he was like Bitcoin or 2010.

763
00:59:50,421 --> 00:59:51,901
Like the guy's been in Bitcoin forever.

764
00:59:52,201 --> 00:59:53,241
He doesn't need to work,

765
00:59:53,301 --> 00:59:54,781
but he just does it for the love of the game.

766
00:59:55,281 --> 00:59:57,041
And he, and one of the things he likes to do

767
00:59:57,041 --> 00:59:59,881
in his spare time is do bug bounties for Teslas.

768
01:00:01,161 --> 01:00:03,181
And so he ended up finding a bug

769
01:00:03,181 --> 01:00:05,321
that gave him owner,

770
01:00:05,321 --> 01:00:09,061
like gave him control over Tesla's entire fleet.

771
01:00:09,061 --> 01:00:14,921
so he got like passed up the up the chain of command at tesla to like the third in command guy

772
01:00:14,921 --> 01:00:20,041
and said to this guy are you near a tesla the guy said yes he said give me the last three or four of

773
01:00:20,041 --> 01:00:25,301
the vin the guy after asking him some question gave it to him and he turned the car on remotely

774
01:00:25,301 --> 01:00:32,421
and moved it and the guy was abjectly terrified and says who is this who are you because like he

775
01:00:32,421 --> 01:00:39,441
just recognized this guy one guy had the power to turn on every like access to every tesla car

776
01:00:39,441 --> 01:00:45,921
crash them all send them off cliffs like everyone could be destroyed at one time and so just like

777
01:00:45,921 --> 01:00:51,841
that reality it's like okay this is very convenient and yet like the edge case of this like the worst

778
01:00:51,841 --> 01:00:56,161
case scenario is worse than any situation that we've ever been like that's more damage than

779
01:00:56,161 --> 01:01:02,241
nuclear warfare. That's like, potentially like it's, it's crazy. Like the, the, the edge case,

780
01:01:02,381 --> 01:01:05,861
like the worst case scenario in some of these things. Now, again, you can, this has been the

781
01:01:05,861 --> 01:01:09,241
case with nukes. I guess it's not as bad as nukes. You could, if everyone nuked at the same time,

782
01:01:09,241 --> 01:01:14,121
we'd all be wiped out. And, um, yeah, this would only wipe out people who had Teslas and then

783
01:01:14,121 --> 01:01:21,581
people who are in their immediate vicinity. Um, but like just this type of that level of, um,

784
01:01:21,581 --> 01:01:43,461
Yeah, I just think we're not prepared. There's people who are only thinking about the best case scenarios for these things. And they're primarily thinking about the best case scenarios because those best case scenarios can make them a lot of money.

785
01:01:43,461 --> 01:01:49,781
or again the companies that are the i companies are only present they're incentivized to only

786
01:01:49,781 --> 01:01:54,181
present the rosiest picture because of the amount of money that they can make in the short term

787
01:01:54,181 --> 01:02:00,501
while you know while putting off the the worst case scenarios and like downplaying them or

788
01:02:00,501 --> 01:02:04,981
whatever and so that's where again even though we're trying to present a sunnier picture i i just

789
01:02:04,981 --> 01:02:11,901
still you know it still is one of these things where it's like this is just a very poor decision

790
01:02:11,901 --> 01:02:17,641
making process, anti-human decision making process to just be like, oh, look at all the

791
01:02:17,641 --> 01:02:24,301
cool stuff we can do while still, you know, not putting as much emphasis on the real risks that

792
01:02:24,301 --> 01:02:28,681
I think, I mean, just the existential risks that I think are still there.

793
01:02:29,481 --> 01:02:34,881
And I wonder if it's a temporary thing until it matures, but yeah, your point of

794
01:02:34,881 --> 01:02:40,621
centralization and control is definitely. Yeah. Centralization is always, it's always going to be,

795
01:02:40,621 --> 01:02:45,001
you know, a problem. It's, it's, but again, so I, again, what we're saying is there are

796
01:02:45,001 --> 01:02:50,821
decentralized ways to, you know, to use AI. Uh, but again, all of these things just create huge

797
01:02:50,821 --> 01:02:56,381
honeypots, right? So Tesla is going to be like, let's say Tesla continues to grow. Let's say

798
01:02:56,381 --> 01:03:02,461
Tesla's end up being, I mean, there's all kinds of news about China's, uh, China's electric car

799
01:03:02,461 --> 01:03:06,541
thing being like a house of cards, like their, their businesses are crashing and all kinds of

800
01:03:06,541 --> 01:03:11,821
stuff um so let's say like tesla continues to get market share it ends up where one of every four

801
01:03:11,821 --> 01:03:18,081
cars on the road is a tesla uh you know you get to a thing it's a giant honeypot it's just a giant

802
01:03:18,081 --> 01:03:23,501
honeypot for a nation state actor who actually has the resources to hack i mean again jason this guy

803
01:03:23,501 --> 01:03:28,881
from motion he's one dude he's just one dude just surfing surfing the internet just he figures this

804
01:03:28,881 --> 01:03:35,581
out on his own owns the entire fleet so like what could happen if you have if you have like nation

805
01:03:35,581 --> 01:03:41,341
states that put meaningful resources into doing something like this like it's just did you guys

806
01:03:41,341 --> 01:03:47,221
ever see minority report oh yeah did you ever see minority report so like that's a great example of

807
01:03:47,221 --> 01:03:52,501
his he's trying to escape and all the cars are automated and they're all on the highway and that's

808
01:03:52,501 --> 01:03:57,461
the highway goes like vertical and he has to like dive out of the car yeah yeah and so but but the

809
01:03:57,461 --> 01:04:02,701
cars are controlled they're all like you know robot controlled cars and so the traffic there's

810
01:04:02,701 --> 01:04:09,001
like again in the future maybe we only need 25 of the cars that exist now the traffic will be twice

811
01:04:09,001 --> 01:04:16,301
as fast la traffic in in the middle of the rush hour will just be going 55 you know yeah three

812
01:04:16,301 --> 01:04:20,021
feet away from each other like perfectly synchronized so that part of it is nice and then

813
01:04:20,021 --> 01:04:26,241
but then in that case he's uh he's trying to escape like uh you know false thing and and the

814
01:04:26,241 --> 01:04:30,081
cops or if he if he gets in a car it's going to be controlled immediately by the police and just

815
01:04:30,081 --> 01:04:34,581
stop you know anyway it's a it's a great visual of what you're describing it is it's just like

816
01:04:34,581 --> 01:04:39,381
efficiency is this double-edged sword it it really is this double-edged sword somebody i can't remember

817
01:04:39,381 --> 01:04:43,541
if it was um chesterton or somebody like one of the worst he basically said something to the

818
01:04:43,541 --> 01:04:46,401
effect that one of the worst things that could happen is for there to be an efficient government

819
01:04:46,401 --> 01:04:52,561
and it's like because like if you if you had an efficient government like and obviously there's

820
01:04:52,561 --> 01:04:57,361
gradations to this but like they're like the people wouldn't want to dismantle it well no not

821
01:04:57,361 --> 01:05:02,061
even that but it's just like an efficient government could do an atrocities that we've

822
01:05:02,061 --> 01:05:06,401
never even imagined right like if you could i mean like this is already true we're we're already on

823
01:05:06,401 --> 01:05:10,181
list somewhere bro like the fact that we're discussing these things like we're we're on

824
01:05:10,181 --> 01:05:15,361
list somewhere of like all right you know i mean just think about it like right now it has never

825
01:05:15,361 --> 01:05:22,241
been easier in human history to systematically eliminate the quote-unquote problematic people

826
01:05:22,241 --> 01:05:27,481
right like you could just eliminate that because you have we're talking online we're doing all

827
01:05:27,481 --> 01:05:32,081
these things you could systematically find the people who are talking about i mean what let's

828
01:05:32,081 --> 01:05:35,561
just try to do this what subjects would you need to talk about all right if you're talking about

829
01:05:35,561 --> 01:05:42,341
um sovereignty if you're talking about government overreach if you're talking about uh 3d printed

830
01:05:42,341 --> 01:05:49,281
things if you're talking about uh you know bitcoin so money outside the state basically if you there's

831
01:05:49,281 --> 01:05:54,421
like a you could probably take like 20 different topics and if somebody has overlap in their search

832
01:05:54,421 --> 01:05:59,981
history on like three of them the government could just pretty safely go like an oppressive

833
01:05:59,981 --> 01:06:04,181
government could pretty safely just go all right we're just going to preemptively wipe those guys

834
01:06:04,181 --> 01:06:08,821
out just preemptively now again what percentage of the population would that be no it wouldn't

835
01:06:08,821 --> 01:06:12,941
have to be big like let's say small yeah like it's it's like let's say it's let's say it's like

836
01:06:12,941 --> 01:06:18,221
a quarter of a percent like that could be catastrophic and it's never been easier it's

837
01:06:18,221 --> 01:06:23,241
never been easier to do. And that could eliminate so many problems. Again, that's probably not going

838
01:06:23,241 --> 01:06:27,781
to happen in the United States, but- Well, can I, can I give an anecdote real quick?

839
01:06:28,881 --> 01:06:32,321
Can I give an anecdote? Sorry, Ryan, this is so fits into what you're saying. So the picture

840
01:06:32,321 --> 01:06:39,701
behind me is Afghanistan when I traveled in 2018 and I went to Afghanistan, Tajikistan, and, um,

841
01:06:39,922 --> 01:06:46,502
Turkey. And in all three cases, one of my big takeaways was all three countries,

842
01:06:46,622 --> 01:06:52,162
they're super duper aware of their phones. They are aware of their phones like it's

843
01:06:52,162 --> 01:06:58,102
literally the government listening. And so when I was in Tajikistan, we were not allowed to say

844
01:06:58,102 --> 01:07:03,742
the word Afghanistan. There was like a code word if we wanted to refer to, oh yeah, we just came

845
01:07:03,742 --> 01:07:09,302
from, and I think it was 5.1 because that was its danger scale, something like that. So we don't say

846
01:07:09,302 --> 01:07:14,002
the word Afghanistan. When I was in Afghanistan, we don't say the word mission among others,

847
01:07:14,442 --> 01:07:18,142
because there's a bunch of missionaries there, but mission is like military too,

848
01:07:18,222 --> 01:07:23,382
a military term, right? So we don't say the word mission. And if you look in the skies,

849
01:07:23,962 --> 01:07:30,842
in Kabul, there's like blimps and those blimps are there. And I don't know the details. I think

850
01:07:30,842 --> 01:07:35,582
it's mostly similar to how it is with us. It's mostly through the internet, right? But the blimps

851
01:07:35,582 --> 01:07:38,662
are also there and they're there for signals. They're like picking up, they're like little

852
01:07:38,662 --> 01:07:42,942
small blimps and they're like electronic thingies. So if you say the word mission,

853
01:07:43,322 --> 01:07:48,862
they may not come and arrest you, but it's like, boop. Now keep in mind, this is 2018. This is not

854
01:07:48,862 --> 01:07:54,482
2026. This is 2018. In Turkey, my friend was telling me about the revolution. He takes his

855
01:07:54,482 --> 01:07:59,862
phone, he turns it off, he puts it under his leg while we're driving the car. So he can tell me

856
01:07:59,862 --> 01:08:06,362
about the revolution that was happening two years before. So 2016. Because even then,

857
01:08:06,362 --> 01:08:12,882
those nations who will use it for against you will flag you. And if it, and, and, and, and using,

858
01:08:13,022 --> 01:08:18,562
and speaking as a Christian, every single Christian in like, um, Istanbul is pretty much

859
01:08:18,562 --> 01:08:22,802
being monitored. And it's not that they're being all captured and tortured, but there's a, it's a

860
01:08:22,802 --> 01:08:26,922
small enough number. 100% of them are being monitored. And I mean, people on the phone,

861
01:08:27,042 --> 01:08:30,562
listening to their conversations. Yeah. So, and he, but he, and here's what I'm trying to say

862
01:08:30,562 --> 01:08:35,362
is in like 20 years ago, right. So like we knew, we knew nine 11 was going to happen,

863
01:08:35,362 --> 01:08:40,182
right right we knew it like they the fbi knew it was going to happen knew there were guys who were

864
01:08:40,182 --> 01:08:45,782
preparing but there was so much information it was like there they didn't have a way to filter

865
01:08:45,782 --> 01:08:51,482
like the information fast enough and quickly enough to basically to make use of all the

866
01:08:51,482 --> 01:08:57,762
information they had with ai you now can do that yeah and so like what you just pointed out like

867
01:08:57,762 --> 01:09:03,242
you just said um they they use these code words right they use it well now once you know the code

868
01:09:03,242 --> 01:09:08,782
word you can retroactively go back and just like plug it it's like all right here we're gonna filter

869
01:09:08,782 --> 01:09:13,882
through now some anytime you see this word the cover for no i was gonna yeah exactly but no but

870
01:09:13,882 --> 01:09:19,042
like seriously and so like that's the thing what i'm talking about is like again this is gonna be

871
01:09:19,042 --> 01:09:25,502
it's like it's this is where i don't have a i don't feel like i have a good grasp on whether or

872
01:09:25,502 --> 01:09:30,422
not even this kind of an episode where we're trying to talk about the benefits of it is this just

873
01:09:30,422 --> 01:09:36,822
picking up nickels in front of a steamroller like is this just so is this just so obviously going to

874
01:09:36,822 --> 01:09:44,502
go awfully yeah we should just cast it into the fire just yeah i think we have to remember that

875
01:09:44,502 --> 01:09:52,442
um yeah there is a spiritual war going on and there are people that are using the technology

876
01:09:52,442 --> 01:09:58,842
to bring things into the light and i'll use just one example from this last week so it's easy and

877
01:09:58,842 --> 01:10:04,502
I 100% agree with you. There's a lot of negative things, negative ways that this technology can be

878
01:10:04,502 --> 01:10:11,962
used. But think about Nick Shirley, for example. He ended Tim Walz's political career. This is the

879
01:10:11,962 --> 01:10:18,502
almost vice president of the United States he's ended in. And so this is a single individual

880
01:10:18,502 --> 01:10:24,662
that did more work than like Pulitzer Prize journalists in the past, more work than our

881
01:10:24,662 --> 01:10:30,222
huge news networks and totally blew up his career and it deserved to be blown up.

882
01:10:30,222 --> 01:10:37,522
So like individuals now have the power to like bring things into the light that like

883
01:10:37,522 --> 01:10:47,145
never would have seen the light in the past So it like technology that used for evil technology that used for righteousness and justice

884
01:10:48,045 --> 01:10:48,985
Perfect example.

885
01:10:50,025 --> 01:10:52,565
So it just, like, I think as believers,

886
01:10:52,565 --> 01:10:55,225
we can't get, like, we can't,

887
01:10:55,225 --> 01:10:59,105
we can't get dejected and defeated in the sense of,

888
01:10:59,345 --> 01:11:01,625
especially because we have, we actually have hope.

889
01:11:01,945 --> 01:11:04,385
And we do, I know it sounds super cheesy,

890
01:11:04,445 --> 01:11:05,565
but we do know the ending.

891
01:11:05,725 --> 01:11:07,225
Like, we do know the ending.

892
01:11:07,225 --> 01:11:10,525
And so I think we need to remain optimistic.

893
01:11:11,665 --> 01:11:20,845
Also, one more thing about the – I think a lot of the critics – this has just been an observation of mine.

894
01:11:21,045 --> 01:11:24,905
I do – I'm not ignoring all the potential perils of AI.

895
01:11:25,685 --> 01:11:36,845
From my observation, some of the biggest, loudest critics of AI and how bad it's going to be for humanity have been coming from those who are obviously being –

896
01:11:36,845 --> 01:11:42,345
they're having their jobs, professions, crafts disrupted the first.

897
01:11:42,545 --> 01:11:45,085
It's like the artist is shaking his fist.

898
01:11:45,185 --> 01:11:47,805
I spent 30 years learning how to water color,

899
01:11:47,905 --> 01:11:49,365
and this AI is going to steal all my stuff,

900
01:11:49,405 --> 01:11:52,485
and it's just like, chill out.

901
01:11:52,885 --> 01:11:54,665
Like, there's going to be disruptions.

902
01:11:54,665 --> 01:11:58,485
It's not going to destroy your craft.

903
01:12:00,125 --> 01:12:00,605
Yeah.

904
01:12:01,245 --> 01:12:06,825
And, yeah, so anyways, all I have to say, it's emotional both ways.

905
01:12:06,845 --> 01:12:10,885
and where is it actually going to land?

906
01:12:10,945 --> 01:12:13,125
It's going to be somewhere in the middle, like it always does,

907
01:12:13,365 --> 01:12:18,325
because in a sense it's a tool that can be used for good, used for evil.

908
01:12:19,385 --> 01:12:23,105
And Trump commuted someone's sentence too, right, just recently.

909
01:12:23,365 --> 01:12:25,705
Like someone said, what was the samurai wallet guy?

910
01:12:26,545 --> 01:12:29,225
I don't think he's done it yet, but they're trying to get him.

911
01:12:29,225 --> 01:12:30,025
Yeah, they're trying to.

912
01:12:30,105 --> 01:12:34,645
But anyway, the pressure for that, like this guy could just be in a dark hole for eternity

913
01:12:34,645 --> 01:12:36,285
if it was 30 years later.

914
01:12:36,845 --> 01:12:37,925
you would never know about him.

915
01:12:38,265 --> 01:12:41,165
But the pressure for that is...

916
01:12:41,165 --> 01:12:43,265
Well, and think about, I mean, just to that point,

917
01:12:43,425 --> 01:12:47,125
think about the reason why, like, why is Ross free?

918
01:12:47,825 --> 01:12:48,045
Yeah.

919
01:12:48,325 --> 01:12:50,065
And maybe this is where we can close this,

920
01:12:50,205 --> 01:12:51,025
we can bring this episode,

921
01:12:51,125 --> 01:12:52,825
because we've been going for about an hour and a half

922
01:12:52,825 --> 01:12:53,845
or hour and a quarter here.

923
01:12:54,185 --> 01:12:55,785
Like, why is Ross free?

924
01:12:56,545 --> 01:13:01,485
Because Bitcoin, because like combination of Bitcoin

925
01:13:01,485 --> 01:13:04,425
gave money and political sway

926
01:13:04,425 --> 01:13:06,605
to people who never would have had it otherwise

927
01:13:06,605 --> 01:13:12,385
and then that got like that money and that influence got them got really good people access

928
01:13:12,385 --> 01:13:19,085
to Trump and access to his people and so like I was in when I was in New York City the uh Angela

929
01:13:19,085 --> 01:13:23,265
McArdle or I think I think it's her name uh who basically was the one working behind the scenes

930
01:13:23,265 --> 01:13:28,985
to get Ross Free who I think is actually a Christian um she spoke at the at PubKey when I

931
01:13:28,985 --> 01:13:36,485
was there and she it was wild hearing her talk and she just basically said yeah like Trump he you

932
01:13:36,485 --> 01:13:40,565
know, he appreciated the Bitcoin people and like the support that they gave him. And so that bought

933
01:13:40,565 --> 01:13:45,045
credibility and he was in, like, he just was like, all right, what can I do? And he was willing to do

934
01:13:45,045 --> 01:13:50,265
whatever, you know, whatever it took. And, um, and again, like that was a pretty low, low bar

935
01:13:50,265 --> 01:13:55,785
actually, you know, because the risk reward was pretty, pretty low. Uh, but again, it's one of

936
01:13:55,785 --> 01:14:00,505
these things where like Bitcoin really does matter. Like it really, it really does change

937
01:14:00,505 --> 01:14:05,405
the incentives. It really does, uh, you know, be even beyond the immediate short-term stuff like

938
01:14:05,405 --> 01:14:11,405
that that even that's just a low bar like low hanging fruit like there's much bigger um you

939
01:14:11,405 --> 01:14:17,265
know much bigger higher level yeah things that it reorganizes and incentivizes incentives that it

940
01:14:17,265 --> 01:14:24,485
changes uh that again we're just going to see more and more fleshing out over time yeah and it also

941
01:14:24,485 --> 01:14:32,945
it's also united a group of people around the truth around because bitcoin represents uh

942
01:14:32,945 --> 01:14:35,945
true money and honest money.

943
01:14:35,945 --> 01:14:51,729
And again so it like when it came to the injustice the Bitcoin community who loves truth absolutely rallied around that cause And I think that a beautiful thing I mean I think obviously Christians should be doing the same thing

944
01:14:53,589 --> 01:14:56,589
But yeah, and so again, I think we're going to see it.

945
01:14:56,629 --> 01:14:57,829
And it's happening with Nostra.

946
01:14:57,909 --> 01:14:59,789
It's happening with decentralized communications.

947
01:15:01,009 --> 01:15:03,969
Again, because you have a huge community that actually cares about truth.

948
01:15:04,829 --> 01:15:08,709
And yeah, so this is another side benefit.

949
01:15:08,709 --> 01:15:23,069
But yeah, it's going to allow individual creators and small, you know, it says about in the Bible calls the little people, meaning just people without power, people without prestige, people that aren't connected to be able to do things that they never could have done.

950
01:15:23,069 --> 01:15:30,969
And Nick Shirley is such a great example of like, it's like he is an investigative journalist, period.

951
01:15:31,509 --> 01:15:36,129
Why? Because he investigatively journalized something. That's it, right?

952
01:15:36,129 --> 01:15:37,789
but he didn't have the

953
01:15:37,789 --> 01:15:38,969
but he didn't have a degree

954
01:15:38,969 --> 01:15:39,969
from Harvard Matt

955
01:15:39,969 --> 01:15:41,129
surely he can't be

956
01:15:41,129 --> 01:15:41,889
considered a journalist

957
01:15:41,889 --> 01:15:42,229
right

958
01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:43,289
so that

959
01:15:43,289 --> 01:15:43,669
and that's

960
01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:44,229
that's the

961
01:15:44,229 --> 01:15:45,109
they ended on the

962
01:15:45,109 --> 01:15:46,249
positive humanization

963
01:15:46,249 --> 01:15:46,909
part

964
01:15:46,909 --> 01:15:47,269
yeah

965
01:15:47,269 --> 01:15:48,189
try to

966
01:15:48,189 --> 01:15:48,609
try to

967
01:15:48,609 --> 01:15:48,969
try to

968
01:15:48,969 --> 01:15:50,229
try to find some dirt on him

969
01:15:50,229 --> 01:15:50,449
you know

970
01:15:50,449 --> 01:15:51,229
maybe he has some

971
01:15:51,229 --> 01:15:52,109
but the point is like

972
01:15:52,109 --> 01:15:52,789
you can't find

973
01:15:52,789 --> 01:15:54,089
you can't find a problem

974
01:15:54,089 --> 01:15:55,369
he's up to infinite scrutiny

975
01:15:55,369 --> 01:15:56,869
and it's just clear

976
01:15:56,869 --> 01:15:58,109
that what he found is true

977
01:15:58,109 --> 01:15:58,489
the

978
01:15:58,489 --> 01:15:59,409
the Daniel

979
01:15:59,409 --> 01:16:00,389
modern day Daniel

980
01:16:00,389 --> 01:16:01,529
dude it's the same thing

981
01:16:01,529 --> 01:16:02,149
that's happened with the

982
01:16:02,149 --> 01:16:03,049
Oregon vote by mail

983
01:16:03,049 --> 01:16:03,969
that was another big story

984
01:16:03,969 --> 01:16:04,689
that happened today

985
01:16:04,689 --> 01:16:05,089
yeah

986
01:16:05,089 --> 01:16:06,849
Well, it's like, wait a minute.

987
01:16:06,949 --> 01:16:07,689
How did that happen?

988
01:16:07,749 --> 01:16:22,629
Again, it's just random individuals who are able to like sleuth stuff up now, obviously using technology and then the bullhorn of technology to like, dude, like we have a huge tight governor race coming up in Oregon.

989
01:16:22,629 --> 01:16:27,309
And Republican barely lost to the Democrat last time.

990
01:16:27,409 --> 01:16:32,089
We've been under Democrat rule in Oregon for 45 years or something like that, like my entire life.

991
01:16:32,089 --> 01:16:38,649
Oh, now they have to scrape 800,000 voters off the rolls in Oregon they just announced.

992
01:16:38,809 --> 01:16:39,989
It's like, oh, what's that going to do?

993
01:16:40,449 --> 01:16:40,929
Who knows?

994
01:16:41,449 --> 01:16:41,549
Yeah.

995
01:16:41,989 --> 01:16:42,989
That can shift the election.

996
01:16:43,209 --> 01:16:45,009
Which represents like 30%.

997
01:16:45,009 --> 01:16:45,909
We're going to go just came to Texas, baby.

998
01:16:46,049 --> 01:16:46,469
Let's go.

999
01:16:47,589 --> 01:16:53,589
Anyways, like if that ends up flipping the state and so that it goes back to a Republican

1000
01:16:53,589 --> 01:16:56,789
government and a whole bunch of nonsense in Oregon gets flipped back.

1001
01:16:56,789 --> 01:17:04,349
Again, I would submit that is, you know, article A of like, dude, that is unbelievable.

1002
01:17:04,569 --> 01:17:12,409
That's like if that, I mean, I'm not saying it's going to happen, but my entire life we've been under Democrat rule and it's been terrible in Oregon.

1003
01:17:12,769 --> 01:17:19,009
And then it's to flip just for the sake of like there needs to be a contrast and not unlimited power.

1004
01:17:19,009 --> 01:17:37,089
I will say again, to combat some of what I've been saying, like, I do think that one of the things you can, you can doom and gloom and catastrophize some of these things, you know, and look about, think about, only think about the worst case scenario and miss a lot of the good that can be done.

1005
01:17:37,089 --> 01:17:42,709
and yeah, I do think that, I do think that's one of these examples of what you're talking about.

1006
01:17:42,769 --> 01:17:47,129
So like there is no, to put it another way, there is no substitute. There's no escaping

1007
01:17:47,129 --> 01:17:53,209
the need to trust the Lord with your life and just with, with things like it'd be easy to say,

1008
01:17:53,209 --> 01:17:56,589
oh, but you just get rid of AI, then everything would be fixed. It's like, no, we've lived that

1009
01:17:56,589 --> 01:17:59,789
life. Uh, it actually got pretty horrible and there's nothing that we could, you know, very

1010
01:17:59,789 --> 01:18:03,869
limited things that we could do about it. Um, and so, yeah, I do think that's a valuable,

1011
01:18:03,869 --> 01:18:09,189
a valuable takeaway is, you know, whether, no matter what's going on externally, whether things

1012
01:18:09,189 --> 01:18:15,029
look great or they look poor, uh, they look dire, like we still need to trust the Lord. We need to,

1013
01:18:15,029 --> 01:18:22,429
um, you know, just give ourselves to him and, uh, you know, just try to, you know, carry out what he

1014
01:18:22,429 --> 01:18:27,709
would have us to do, uh, prioritize what he prioritizes and, and just trust him in the in-between

1015
01:18:27,709 --> 01:18:34,869
gaps of what could or, you know, what might happen. Um, and maybe to the general general public,

1016
01:18:34,869 --> 01:18:39,469
like learn a little bit about what LLMs actually are. Not that you have to become an expert,

1017
01:18:39,469 --> 01:18:54,273
but you need to understand it just it just a computer doing stuff It isn a person So um you know if you learn what it is you be better at it You be less creeped out and you might have good ideas

1018
01:18:54,273 --> 01:18:55,213
for how it can be used

1019
01:18:55,213 --> 01:18:56,193
for righteousness sake.

1020
01:18:57,953 --> 01:18:58,833
Well, I think that's

1021
01:18:58,833 --> 01:19:00,153
a pretty good place to stop.

1022
01:19:00,613 --> 01:19:01,493
Again, Oshawa,

1023
01:19:01,613 --> 01:19:02,213
love you too, bro.

1024
01:19:02,333 --> 01:19:03,493
He didn't come meet us.

1025
01:19:03,613 --> 01:19:04,053
Oh, Ryan,

1026
01:19:04,173 --> 01:19:04,673
were you going to add something?

1027
01:19:05,133 --> 01:19:06,753
I was going to let Scott Adams

1028
01:19:06,753 --> 01:19:07,713
have the last word.

1029
01:19:08,293 --> 01:19:08,553
Do it.

1030
01:19:08,693 --> 01:19:12,813
The very end of his final writing

1031
01:19:12,813 --> 01:19:17,613
where he was just challenging everyone to be helpful.

1032
01:19:17,793 --> 01:19:18,333
And it's like, yeah.

1033
01:19:20,913 --> 01:19:22,233
He also, yeah.

1034
01:19:25,093 --> 01:19:27,193
He also professed belief in Christ

1035
01:19:27,193 --> 01:19:31,213
or at least kind of in his final words.

1036
01:19:31,373 --> 01:19:33,033
We'll talk more about that next episode.

1037
01:19:33,253 --> 01:19:34,353
I think that's a great episode.

1038
01:19:34,573 --> 01:19:36,073
It'd be a great food for thought.

1039
01:19:36,853 --> 01:19:38,393
Let me just put this in the public chat

1040
01:19:38,393 --> 01:19:39,133
just as we close.

1041
01:19:39,213 --> 01:19:40,593
Again, thank you guys for your support.

1042
01:19:41,033 --> 01:19:48,533
If you are not a subscriber to the podcast on Apple, Spotify, or Fountain, which is,

1043
01:19:48,673 --> 01:19:49,633
we appreciate those guys.

1044
01:19:49,693 --> 01:19:50,973
That's where we host our podcast.

1045
01:19:51,493 --> 01:19:53,833
Or if you're not a subscriber on YouTube, please go do that.

1046
01:19:53,893 --> 01:19:55,473
It is a huge way to help us.

1047
01:19:55,873 --> 01:20:01,093
We are up to 1,140, I think, something like that, subscribers.

1048
01:20:01,393 --> 01:20:03,573
That's, again, we've been growing slowly.

1049
01:20:03,873 --> 01:20:04,673
We want to get bigger.

1050
01:20:04,773 --> 01:20:05,753
We'd love to get to the point.

1051
01:20:05,813 --> 01:20:07,873
We'd love to have 10,000 subscribers by the end of this year.

1052
01:20:08,353 --> 01:20:12,333
So if this is something that you're benefiting from, go right now.

1053
01:20:12,533 --> 01:20:13,533
Share this link.

1054
01:20:13,933 --> 01:20:15,733
Share it with maybe three people from church.

1055
01:20:16,233 --> 01:20:17,853
Three people that you appreciate.

1056
01:20:18,433 --> 01:20:20,273
We would love to get to 10,000 subscribers.

1057
01:20:20,693 --> 01:20:21,013
I'm trying to think.

1058
01:20:21,053 --> 01:20:22,313
We'll have to figure out something we can do.

1059
01:20:22,373 --> 01:20:27,613
If we get to 10,000 subscribers by the end of the year, we'll give away a certain amount of Bitcoin or something like this.

1060
01:20:27,773 --> 01:20:29,053
Maybe we'll try to set it.

1061
01:20:29,273 --> 01:20:31,193
We'll host a podcast from Hawaii.

1062
01:20:32,313 --> 01:20:32,713
Okay.

1063
01:20:33,033 --> 01:20:36,633
Well, see, this is something we're actually going to be doing more of is live and in-person events.

1064
01:20:36,633 --> 01:20:38,433
maybe here's what we'll do

1065
01:20:38,433 --> 01:20:41,573
we'll have to plan this better never mind we'll have a conversation

1066
01:20:41,573 --> 01:20:43,433
about this we will reward

1067
01:20:43,433 --> 01:20:44,813
those the person

1068
01:20:44,813 --> 01:20:47,293
if we could figure out somebody if we could figure out some way

1069
01:20:47,293 --> 01:20:48,273
to quantify

1070
01:20:48,273 --> 01:20:51,433
who shared the most we could figure out how to do

1071
01:20:51,433 --> 01:20:53,353
a live episode in the

1072
01:20:53,353 --> 01:20:55,353
town closest to

1073
01:20:55,353 --> 01:20:56,193
whoever this person is

1074
01:20:56,193 --> 01:20:59,053
so we'll see what we can do to

1075
01:20:59,053 --> 01:21:01,533
figure that out referral system

1076
01:21:01,533 --> 01:21:03,473
something like that use AI to build it

1077
01:21:03,473 --> 01:21:05,273
exactly okay yeah

1078
01:21:05,273 --> 01:21:06,893
Yeah, bring it full circle.

1079
01:21:07,053 --> 01:21:07,713
Way to go, Ryan.

1080
01:21:08,173 --> 01:21:10,333
I will say, let's see, let me share this real quick.

1081
01:21:11,213 --> 01:21:13,413
Again, for all of you, go support us.

1082
01:21:13,493 --> 01:21:16,933
Go grab the books, the Orange Umbrella books specifically.

1083
01:21:17,273 --> 01:21:18,253
We've got tons of those.

1084
01:21:18,333 --> 01:21:20,553
Help me to clear out my office of all these books.

1085
01:21:21,053 --> 01:21:23,973
We also have here, I put it in the chat,

1086
01:21:24,353 --> 01:21:26,913
link to where you can actually buy

1087
01:21:26,913 --> 01:21:29,293
and receive like an actual ticket for the event

1088
01:21:29,293 --> 01:21:31,733
that you can interact with your ticket app

1089
01:21:31,733 --> 01:21:33,433
on your iPhone or wherever it is

1090
01:21:33,433 --> 01:21:38,733
I'm putting it in the chat over here on the YouTube link.

1091
01:21:39,393 --> 01:21:43,253
It might be, I don't know if it's going to go into the chat on like Twitter and stuff like that,

1092
01:21:43,293 --> 01:21:44,213
but you can find that there.

1093
01:21:44,673 --> 01:21:45,613
Go grab your tickets.

1094
01:21:46,273 --> 01:21:50,773
We would love to see you there, meet up with you, and have more of these type of conversations.

1095
01:21:51,373 --> 01:21:56,833
Again, we'll also be doing much more specific Bitcoin conversations at that point or at that event.

1096
01:21:57,333 --> 01:22:00,333
We're going to do a lot more hands-on stuff than we've done in the past,

1097
01:22:00,333 --> 01:22:07,913
So at least for part of the day, specifically how to do transactions in, you know, just how to handle wallets, how to do that kind of stuff.

1098
01:22:07,973 --> 01:22:13,113
So it's going to be very hands on for more, a larger percentage than it's been to this point.

1099
01:22:13,193 --> 01:22:14,373
So we would love to see you.

1100
01:22:14,453 --> 01:22:20,473
We'd love to have your support in those ways to help us continue to help people understand you use Bitcoin for the glory of God and the good of people everywhere.

1101
01:22:21,013 --> 01:22:25,653
We will see you later this week on another episode of the Thank God for Bitcoin podcast.

1102
01:22:26,853 --> 01:22:29,533
It's probably going to be a Thank God for Bitcoin podcast and not a To the End on Pod.

1103
01:22:29,533 --> 01:22:32,793
So we'll get you more info on that in the next couple of days.

1104
01:22:33,913 --> 01:22:34,753
We'll chat soon.