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And we are live. Welcome to episode 26 of To the Unknown Pod. This is the podcast where,

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again, we who are just dads and Bitcoiners and husbands and friends get together and just hang

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out and talk about things that we found helpful on Twitter. My name is Jordan Bush. I am the

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executive director of TGFP Media, which exists to help Christians understand and use Bitcoin

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for the glory of God and the good of people everywhere. Today, I am joined by two-thirds

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of the normal Tuesday crew, Oshawa Hawthorne, Ryan Finley. I'll allow you guys to introduce

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yourselves just this once.

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What's up, Jordan? Oshawa Hawthorne, executive director of Brilliance Labs. We're a startup

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incubator for kingdom-focused projects in Portland, Oregon, and we're working on some

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global projects with Bitcoin as well.

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Hi, Jordan. Great to be here. My name is Ryan Finley, father of six. I'm an entrepreneur. I work with my kids a lot on their ventures. And yeah, it's good to be here.

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grateful for you guys Ryan for those of you who who may have heard from the last episode we still

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have uh have just opened we're just decided he's just kind of abandoned us so we're you can submit

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your resume if you'd like to replace him if you think you do a good job make a video for us and

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uh and we will we'll have that ready and consider Matt sorry who'd I say Ryan right yes Matt yeah

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Matt, we miss you.

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Bob, there's open auditions.

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No, I was kidding.

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Matt is in Italy with his wife and six kids, so they're having lots of fun over there.

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Again, we'll have lots to talk about when he gets back.

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He's been shooting us tweets, and what's going on there is pretty wild.

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But today, guys, we are talking about low-time preference parenting.

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This has become a pretty common theme on this podcast,

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given how many kids we have between the four of us.

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I believe as of last count, what was it?

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Is it 20, 25?

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I think 24 going at 25.

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So yeah, just to get everybody up to speed.

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Oh, go ahead.

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Almost 25?

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Are we almost to 25?

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Well, we're pro-life people here, so we are 25, Ryan.

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I don't know what's going on in Portland, okay, but what's going on in Portland, Kim?

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so for those of you who are not keeping track at home

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I have four kids with number five

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due in about three weeks

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Asho has eight kids

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he has one who's about I guess

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three months old and they just are getting

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ready to drop off their oldest at college

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six months old and then almost 19

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wild and then

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Ryan's got his oldest is 19 as well

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youngest is four

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Elijah just turned 19

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oldest is almost 20

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Yeah, I was 20. Okay. And then youngest is six?

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Yeah. And then obviously, as we mentioned, Matt has six as well. So we have a bunch of kids. So

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parenting is something that comes up a lot. And so we are blessed to be joined by two of the

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speakers from the Bitcoin for Everyone conference, the Bitcoin conference in Portland a couple weeks

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ago. Ryan and Ashwa had the opportunity to present about this exact topic. So we just thought,

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you know what, this would be a great thing to talk about in more detail. And so I don't know,

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well, I'll let you guys kind of take the floor and just kind of take it where you will.

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Yeah. Well, first, as we get into that, I'd love to introduce my oldest,

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who we're actually in South Bend, Indiana right now. We took the whole crew in our big transit van

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driving east on a road trip to bring my oldest, Abigail, to college in Michigan.

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So she's going to Hillsdale, which creates the most interesting conversations.

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Either there's a blank look of like, okay, Michigan, okay, whatever, great, happy for you,

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or sorry it happened.

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like they just have no reference or or or there's two other common like extreme responses

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one is like the wow you're i get to like they want to shake my hand you're a parent of a

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hillsdale student what and like wow how do you do that or like oh i hear that's the that's where

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all the future christian elite go to so like apparently there's some like secret elite club

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that you get to join when you walk down the,

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when you graduate from Hillsdale or something.

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Or it's the opposite.

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And this is actually, so my mom is not a believer.

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She has some different perspectives on life and politics

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than I have.

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But she did her own little research

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of where her granddaughter's going.

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And apparently if you Google Hillsdale,

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you find out that it's basically Donald Trump's school.

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and uh and she's going to like the this is like uh or right indoctrination camp

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uh and and i had to explain to her i said mom actually hillsdale's been around longer than

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donald trump i've been like it's literally like as old as as like harvard and yale like it's been

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around a long time donald trump will come and go um by god's grace hillsdale will still be there

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so so yeah so she's going off to to school she's she's with me i don't know how much i gotta move

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over the camera for her to say hi hey abigail hey abigail but how about this let's let's do

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just a short interview i'll ask her a a single question actually about our our parenting

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um session because she was there we had the whole crew like filling the room

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with all our kids.

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At the conference, yeah.

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what stood out to you

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about our parenting talk?

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Was there anything helpful or interesting

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or totally inconsistent

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with how we actually have parented

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and lived our lives?

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I'm trying to say,

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what's easier for me to narrate

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what you talked about

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than to...

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Off the top of my head, answer that.

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We're going to need you to speak in your presentation voice, Adelio.

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I mean, I think the strangest part was hearing him,

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because I'm not as familiar with the Bitcoin community

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and the people that were in the room.

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It was as though he was talking to all of his friends

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and people that all agreed with him,

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but he was doing it in Portland, Oregon.

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And so for me sitting there, it's like, okay, yeah,

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this is all normal for dad to be saying this.

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But has he quite realized who he's talking to?

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So I don't know who it was.

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I don't know if you noticed this, Ryan.

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So there was at least one gal who walked out in the middle of our session.

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It may have been before or after you said that women should stay at home.

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And raise the kids while the dads go off and work.

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We did say that.

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But no, I think that's a great point,

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is that we brought to it a Christian worldview

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and a worldview that some would say is very traditional

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in the sense that, yeah, dads should provide for their wives and kids.

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and that if you want to not outsource parenting to the state and the government

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and not have kids that are raised as essentially autonomous midwit,

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then you actually have to invest in parenting them.

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I mean, I think that's not a wrong conversation to have with people,

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but it might have been a little easier if you'd had more time in which to explain your assumptions

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and explain why they were good assumptions.

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Because otherwise, you have to be talking to an audience that is either willing to listen to you

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to see what on earth you're trying to get at or agrees with you.

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I think she's right.

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Yeah, I was, you know, yeah, I absolutely agree.

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I think we were limited to, was it 20 minutes?

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Five minutes?

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Yeah, that was challenging.

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My main point there was just that there's nobody better in the world to raise their children than the mothers of those children.

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And, yeah, there's a lot of voices in our culture that downplay that.

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And I was just kind of sharing, not just from a Bitcoin perspective, because I think one of the things that parents who educate their own kids, they get to impart to those kids is like a high agency and an ability to think for themselves and really, really wrestle with things.

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yeah just what's actually best for those kids

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and what's best for them long term

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I don't think our culture understands

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how much harm they do to kids

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just sending them away from their parents

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even from a really young age

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so I was like

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encouraging

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yeah hoping to have an impact there

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I just think it's one of these things, I mean, as somebody who was sitting there and thoroughly enjoying it, it was funny just to think about these things that you're saying, which would have been the most normal vanilla things in the entire world up until like five minutes ago.

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they come across as very bracing like when you when you hear them like espouse and and again like

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you guys weren't advocating radical things you're just basically again saying something like uh mom

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should stay home like with their kids which again everybody practiced you know and everyone knew this

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but i think one of the things that just yeah it was bracing hearing it all at at one time uh but

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again, I'm, I'm, and this is a topic for another episode is I'm fully of the, I mean, I think this

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is one of the things you see throughout the scriptures is you see like God's, God's people,

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uh, speaking in very bracing ways that are very, uh, non PC and that, uh, are often offensive.

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And, and again, you guys weren't even, you guys weren't even offensive at all in your presentation

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or your manner or anything like that,

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but just the content of what you were saying,

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there definitely were people who were offended by it.

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But again, actually, to the contrary, at the same time,

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I think I was actually surprised about how little pushback you guys got.

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And there were actually a fair number of people in the audience

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who had had public school educations

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who basically said it was the worst thing that ever happened to them.

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And so I think that I, yeah, I do think that we're kind of getting to a point where you've had people who've experienced, they've experienced public school education, they've experienced a lot of the stuff that comes with that.

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And because of how bad it was, they're willing to hear critiques of it and they're willing to consider alternatives to a degree that maybe they wouldn't have been before the kind of the cultural moment that we've been in early for the first time in recent cultural memory.

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if if i 100 and if i could have if i could redo it i would have given you know a very applicable

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illustration and i would have so portland is a huge animal city like everyone has dogs and cats

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it's like and animal adoption is like the biggest thing in the world there and like i would have

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brought up the fact that in general in nature um it is not controversial to say that uh baby

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animals, baby birds and wildlife and dogs and cats and things like that are best raised by their

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mothers. And it's not controversial. And actually, I mean, you literally will get people that will go

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to war fighting for animals to be able to be raised by their mothers. But then when it comes

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to humans, it's offensive to say in our culture today that children should be raised by their

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mothers yeah now that's just absolutely insane and it's just so um and how we got there obviously

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that's a longer discussion but um yeah anyways yeah awesome any other questions or ryan do you

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have any questions for abigail any other things you want to you want to ask her

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while you're thinking i'll ask one so abigail i mean you you've been you were homeschooled up

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until what grade nine up until ninth grade and then you went to like a catholic school right

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yeah technically not a catholic school but there were a lot of catholics there

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okay so there's like a classical classical christian school okay um so what was what was

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that transition like, did you feel, you know, equipped for that, you know, with, with homeschool?

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I think one of the, one of the things that you hear, one of the pushbacks that you hear

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from people who don't have any history with, with, uh, homeschooling is, well, what are you

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going to do for social activities? Like what, you know, what are you, how are you going to

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know how to talk to people basically, if you've been, you know, put in a closet for up until

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you're in ninth grade? Uh, so, you know, what did, what did that look like? Uh, you know,

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what were your, how did you feel, I guess, maybe leading up to that year about homeschool? Was it

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something you enjoyed? Is it something that was, you know, wasn't your favorite or, you know,

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and then when you did make the transition, what did, what did that, what was that like for you?

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Yeah. Okay. So I have to explain a few things first before I can quite answer that question.

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First, you have to consider that right before my ninth grade year was COVID. And so while we were,

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and i'm in oregon and portland and so they lock down pretty much everything so and then also i'm

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slightly more introverted than some people and i have a very large family yeah and so

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the introvertedness means that i'm not your social butterfly that wants to be with people

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all of the time and that doesn't have anything to do with me being homeschooled second is that i

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I have such a large family that, I mean, my family was the size of my class when I did end up going to school.

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So, that's a bunch of a difference.

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And, okay, with the COVID thing, so I was homeschooled up until ninth grade.

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And depending on the year, we do different homeschool co-ops, whether that was classical conversations or another one that we just, a bunch of moms started and has since faded away.

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But once a week, I would have that school classroom-esque thing.

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And then outside of school, there would be church or there'd be sports or there'd be friends' houses.

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So I had that interaction.

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I also had books, which are, believe it or not, especially if they're old books, actually good for that sort of thing.

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Because you learn how to think and how people talk and you learn interesting things And then you being me you want to go tell everyone about those books And so it a helpful conversation starter

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So you're saying you didn't need Taylor Swift in order to learn how to converse with your friends.

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That wasn't a required travel to capture.

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Whether it was a mixture of COVID or my being an introvert or...

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You guys all had to wear masks your first video and masks.

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No, there was no video.

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That was only if people got sick.

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But yes.

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So the transition between homeschool to five days a week, eight hours a day with lots of people I don't know.

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School the whole day long.

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Was a big transition.

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And it took me an entire year to process all the teenage emotions.

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It wasn't drama. I'm very thankful for that, but it was as it felt like drama because I was used to laid back homeschool kids.

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Correct. Well, great. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. And so then what's the second part of that?

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Second part was, you know, once you're, once you were in school, it took you a year to get adjusted.

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You know, what was your, you know, how did you, you know, like the rest of your, your school year?

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And then how do you feel like it prepared you for college?

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Do you feel like it, I mean, are you happy?

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Do you feel like you're prepped to go?

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Or are you going to kind of be chasing your parents down the street in the van when they're pulling out of there?

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I think I would have been far less prepared for college without it because it would have been that adjustment to five day a week school.

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Maybe it's not actually eight hours a day because for some reason college is, for some reason you're like classes each day.

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I'm not quite sure why.

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maybe I'll discover the workload is actually more than I think it is

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from what I've heard other alumni from my school saying

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in general the first two years of college are supposedly much easier than they are for most people

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given the rigor of the high school I went to

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but then again Hillsdale is also known for its rigor

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so we'll see what that is like

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Ryan, any questions?

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Hmm. Yeah, I would say, yeah, we talk a lot about, uh, I'd be, Abigail, I'd be curious to hear, um, things that you're most, um, encouraged by your generation and things you're most concerned about, uh, from your generation.

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Just as, you know, you're out of high school now going into college and just kind of, it's like a moment of reflection between the two seasons of life.

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Yeah, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on those two.

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Or maybe you could start with the negative, maybe the concerned and then encouraged.

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So we can end on a positive.

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Yeah, it's easier to think of.

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So here's a school-wise one.

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So in school, we had to read both the Iliad and the Odyssey, as well as a bunch of other philosophical works and all sorts of stuff. But the Iliad, I think it's, it must have been the Odyssey. And so I'm an avid reader and the curriculum at the school builds you up to such a point that these books aren't as overwhelmingly hard as they might be if you just crack them open.

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on your own.

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Yeah.

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But I remember hearing

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as we were in the middle of the Odyssey

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that there were other classical schools in our area

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that didn't actually read the Iliad and Odyssey,

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but they read graphic novelizations of them

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because they had found that they were too difficult to read

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for their 11th and 12th grade students.

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And while I do understand that our culture has, our reading capabilities have dwindled, yet there was an entire classroom of us that could do it.

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And I was reading the Iliad at 12 with a whole other class people.

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And so I love books.

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And the lack of appreciation as well as the lack of ability for some of these older, more complex books is disappointing, sad.

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it's also it's their loss for not being able to read these books that were

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staples of curriculums set for centuries yeah it's an issue with thinking do you like that

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the generation isn't being trained to think is it attention span is it vocabulary like what what is

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i think it's probably all of them i don't know how much to lay at the foot of the teacher

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for not being able to guide the class through it.

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And depending on the translation you read,

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some will be easier to read than others.

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And in ages past, people wrote English grammar

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in the same way the Romans used Latin grammar.

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And as people have written more and more books,

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we've stopped doing that and used more simpler language construction.

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and so an older book will often be harder to follow because the verbs are in strange places

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yeah but i do i do think this is one of those constant i mean you could see you see this

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principle being fleshed out in like a hundred different places you see this in churches as

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well you have churches who will again they'll try to dumb everything down to the lowest common

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denominator and then they'll they'll present it you have other churches that again or they just

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kind of, this is the standard, you know, we're not saying anybody who isn't up to this, you know,

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is dumb or like, we're not making fun of them, but like, we're not going to, we're not going to

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lower. And, and so, and, you know, there's just variety of philosophies and there's, there's

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ideas that go with that. But I do think, yeah, the danger with just constantly trying to dumb

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everything down for everyone is, I mean, it's going to have societal consequences and it is.

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Uh, and then also, again, I think, so one of the things you're talking about is just the,

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you know, you, your body nutritionally can get, can adapt itself to really whatever you're eating,

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which is actually an extraordinary capability of the body. Like God has designed your body to be

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able to get used to eating just utterly atrocious things and make do with it. Uh, and so you, you

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see that just with the, the, you know, the, uh, you see that reflected in a similar way with the

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people's, uh, the diet of their mind, right? Like, so if you, if you're consuming, uh, Taylor Swift

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and, you know, her banal takes on romance and all these things, and if you're, you know, you're

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consuming, uh, videos and all these kinds of things, you're, you're training your body and

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your mind to expect and to desire and to enjoy certain things, uh, and, you know, training your

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mind to, to, you know, be accustomed to a certain sort of thing and to not be accustomed to other

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things. And, and so, yeah, I mean, you, you do want to like, that's something that doesn't change

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quickly. Uh, and it's something that given that that's true, you, you should be want to, especially

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in your, in your most formative years, you should be wanting, wanting to help students and, you know,

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young people, you know, move along this process and, and be challenged to grow as much as they

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can during that period. Uh, because if, if you're not, then it's just going to get harder once you

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involve having to work for a living and all these other things, there's going to be the tendency to

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just kind of drift with time, not sharpen up as time goes on. Yeah. I just pulled up that tweet

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that said 25% of American high school students are functionally illiterate. Share that joker there,

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Ryan. Share that joker on your list. I put it down. I put it down in the chat. Okay. Yeah.

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40 to 60 percent of college freshmen need remedial math, English or both.

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Like I almost equate it to like exercising, like running.

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And I would say the majority of kids aren't reading books at all.

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And so it's like functionally not being able to run or jog.

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And then all of a sudden, yeah, it's that that's one thing that scares me.

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And I've actually just even recently I've.

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uh yeah i've been on a big push like encouraging all of our kids all six of them to be reading

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multiple books at a time um and now even more consciously pushing them off their phones

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less twitter less like uh especially the younger ones like no social media but the older ones

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way like just weaning themselves off of it just uh just because it's not helpful at all and uh

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Yeah, we're in a very dangerous trajectory when it comes to that.

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Because, yeah, some of the most valuable things we can learn are A, God's Word, but also from dead authors who wrote really incredible books a long time ago.

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But if people don't read, then they're not filling their mind with those books.

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So, yeah, it's kind of a dangerous trend.

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yeah and again just this go ahead run go ahead ash i was i'll find the the tweet um but

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elon musk had uh several months ago he tweeted on um on the iliad

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um or yeah so he just is this 8 24 24 um here actually i'll i will do let me put these

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what's the best way to share i'll i'll put them in the i'll put them in the signal um

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because some people might be listening and they're like like okay how irrelevant can you be or like

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how just, okay, nerdy, irrelevant.

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Okay, great.

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You read the Iliad, but how helpful, how relevant is that?

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And so here you have the richest man in the world saying,

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can't recommend the Iliad enough.

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Best is Penguin Audiobook.

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and then I shared one more tweet

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where he's listing other audiobook recommendations

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and most of these are like the ancient literature

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the story of civilization by Durant

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I mean the Gaelic Wars by Caesar

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Genghis Khan by Weatherford

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Like, these are meaty, weighty books.

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And I think it's easy to just imagine, like, Elon Musk is this technologist that spends all his day just, like, trolling on Twitter and doing these crazy, like, sprints to build a rocket ship and, like, taking risks and all this.

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but surely he's not an intellectual.

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Surely he's not sitting down reading

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or listening to the audiobook of the Iliad

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or the Gaelic Wars.

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But maybe that's not what he's doing today.

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Maybe that was a part of his formation

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as a younger man.

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I don't know for sure.

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But either way,

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these are the audiobooks he listens to.

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These are the big ideas

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and the thinkers that influenced him.

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and for us to raise up the next generation.

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I remember having this, it was a call, Ryan was on it.

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Jordan, I don't think you were on this.

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We were talking to a certain Bitcoin influencer guy

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that has really strong opinions about parenting and Bitcoin

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and a lot of things.

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I won't mention his name,

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but he was arguing against college

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and there's really good reasons

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why you won't send your kids to college.

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In fact, the short list that I have of approved colleges, I can count on one hand, right?

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So there's a lot of huge problems in higher education, including Christian higher education.

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You're taking risks as you send your kids across the country.

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There's huge advantages of building your home and family network near you, especially if you have a home business and a home farm and those various things.

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but this guy was arguing for why like you need to just train your kids in becoming full stack

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developers and you need to just press into computer programming and that's where all the

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money is that's where they're going to be most like uh productive and efficient in their work and

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and and i'm like dude if you have a whole community of like christian coders and that's all you have

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you're going to be maybe very wealthy, but you're not going to influence society in the long term.

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You're not going to have deep thinkers.

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Who are going to be your pastors?

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Who are going to be your philosophers and your theologians and your storytellers and your myth makers?

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Like these are all these important culture-making elements of society that we still need in building a Christian society, even, lo, a Christian nation.

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But that's for another conversation.

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Yeah, it is.

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But no, I think the pushback though would be, but Ashwa, we can make so much money and get our work done in such a small amount of time that we still have time to do other work.

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You know, like I was just reading this article or it was listening to a video where these guys were talking about how the vast majority, some crazy percentage of just people who've influenced the world, including people who were experts in science and experts and other things.

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Like most of them had like a lot of authors.

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Churchill was one of them.

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There's a bunch of authors who they basically wrote for three to four hours a day on average.

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Like that was their work day.

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And then they would move on to other aspects.

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They'd work at other things.

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And so, again, I don't know.

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I can see.

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I see exactly what you're saying.

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It is true that if you're just basically saying, hey, all we needed to know is how to code.

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And then that will fix everything.

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And it's like, no.

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At the same time, I do think, because I think, and this is a conversation for another day,

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I think that we're getting to a point where people are going to have to, by necessity,

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work multiple jobs.

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I think a higher percentage, and I think you're going to have a higher percentage of pastors

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specifically, because you mentioned that one.

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I think you're going to have to, we're going to have an increasing percentage of pastors

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who are going to be forced to, you know, forced into bivocational work, or at least to consider

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those things and at least as part-time things just because of things like currency devaluation

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and a lot of these effects. So yeah, I don't know. I think there's some truth there that I think is

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worth considering but I definitely don think it as straightforward as yeah coding fixes everything because we looking at I just had a call this morning with one of our brothers uh in the the Christian in this we have this uh text group with a bunch of Christian Bitcoin guys

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And he basically was like, Hey, I'm looking at like, he's a programmer, full stack developer.

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And he's like, yeah, I'm looking at like four more years of being able to do my job and get,

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you know, being able to get paid for my job. And then I'm, I'm like preparing my extra strategy for

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when the AI programming is to the point

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where they don't need me anymore.

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And so I think that that's another real wake-up call

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for the techno-optimists or the programming optimists

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who just think that you can do that

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and then forget about having to really do anything else

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outside of that.

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Yeah.

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Well, awesome.

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Abigail, thank you so much.

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You are free to hang out or free to...

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Wait, wait.

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What was the optimistic thing?

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Oh, okay.

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What was, what, we, we can't leave people hanging.

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We gotta.

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What are you optimistic about with your generation, Abigail?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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The funny thing is, is that I'm actually not on social media a lot.

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And so I don't, most of the things I draw on are from my own experience.

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And it's hard to say a lot about the culture as a whole or the generation as a whole.

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because of that.

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I mean...

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What about like, I know you do your

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current events or current

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popular issues

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class last year and you guys spent a lot of time

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thinking about current events.

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We wrote the Code of Hammurabi.

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The Code of Hammurabi.

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Yes, it wasn't current events.

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It's

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world issues. That's not even

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country issues

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or global issues.

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that's in the sense of world as in you have like car world or family world or it's more the group

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of people thing idea and so the social like the social fabric issue that you would then go right

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about was actually find uh find something that helps the social fabric here i i have even maybe

441
00:34:29,648 --> 00:34:33,008
a perhaps more interesting question

442
00:34:33,008 --> 00:34:36,588
that will tell you to our audience about Bitcoin.

443
00:34:36,968 --> 00:34:38,928
And this is a hopeful thing.

444
00:34:39,468 --> 00:34:40,408
So Abigail,

445
00:34:41,008 --> 00:34:43,168
so we've spent time talking about Bitcoin.

446
00:34:43,368 --> 00:34:46,668
You actually listen in a lot to like Uncle Ryan and I

447
00:34:46,668 --> 00:34:47,968
when we're talking about Bitcoin

448
00:34:47,968 --> 00:34:49,808
and when Jordan comes over and hangs out.

449
00:34:51,508 --> 00:34:55,068
How has Bitcoin shaped your view of the future?

450
00:34:55,068 --> 00:34:59,848
and how are you using Bitcoin in your life

451
00:34:59,848 --> 00:35:01,948
as you're going off to college?

452
00:35:03,488 --> 00:35:09,288
Well, I mean, it's such a topic of conversation in the household

453
00:35:09,288 --> 00:35:10,828
that you can't get away from it.

454
00:35:11,608 --> 00:35:13,328
And so you have to become a couple.

455
00:35:13,328 --> 00:35:14,148
Well done, Ash.

456
00:35:15,048 --> 00:35:20,988
And so that then means that it's an automatic part

457
00:35:20,988 --> 00:35:23,348
of how I think about finances.

458
00:35:23,348 --> 00:35:25,048
and so

459
00:35:25,048 --> 00:35:27,628
yeah

460
00:35:27,628 --> 00:35:28,328
it's

461
00:35:28,328 --> 00:35:31,128
how do we teach you kids about

462
00:35:31,128 --> 00:35:32,908
investing and how

463
00:35:32,908 --> 00:35:35,108
did that lead into

464
00:35:35,108 --> 00:35:36,128
having a week time?

465
00:35:36,128 --> 00:35:39,808
We were given a weekly and then it was

466
00:35:39,808 --> 00:35:41,668
a monthly and then it was a sometimes

467
00:35:41,668 --> 00:35:43,688
I don't know when allowance

468
00:35:43,688 --> 00:35:45,828
and it had three

469
00:35:45,828 --> 00:35:47,828
jars and they had

470
00:35:47,828 --> 00:35:49,748
construction paper wrapped around them and

471
00:35:49,748 --> 00:35:51,868
taped on and had names on them and one

472
00:35:51,868 --> 00:35:58,328
was giving, one was spending, one was savings. And I don't quite remember the dibbing up portion,

473
00:35:58,548 --> 00:36:03,068
but it was 50% or more was in savings. And then the giving and spending might have been equal.

474
00:36:03,168 --> 00:36:08,908
I don't remember. But for the longest while, the savings jar was never touched. And then,

475
00:36:09,068 --> 00:36:16,468
I don't know how old I was, but we started talking about Apple stocks and investing money.

476
00:36:16,468 --> 00:36:23,368
And then at one point, he wanted to convince me to help you buy an iPad for education purposes, and I didn't want to.

477
00:36:24,148 --> 00:36:33,648
And then Bitcoin became a topic of conversation, and by that point, there was no allowance, and it was just money I'd made by working.

478
00:36:34,148 --> 00:36:36,288
But, yes.

479
00:36:36,448 --> 00:36:39,068
And has saving in Bitcoin served you well?

480
00:36:39,528 --> 00:36:40,768
Very well, yes.

481
00:36:43,508 --> 00:36:43,988
Yes.

482
00:36:44,108 --> 00:36:45,308
So how much Bitcoin do you have?

483
00:36:45,308 --> 00:36:46,688
I'm not going to tell you that

484
00:36:46,688 --> 00:36:49,068
Well done

485
00:36:49,068 --> 00:36:51,328
But I have to test

486
00:36:51,328 --> 00:37:00,628
I'd also like to know the opportunity cost of that iPad purchase

487
00:37:00,628 --> 00:37:02,508
If you would have just purchased Bitcoin

488
00:37:02,508 --> 00:37:05,828
What would be worth like 20 grand

489
00:37:05,828 --> 00:37:12,808
How much would an iPad have been like $300?

490
00:37:13,148 --> 00:37:14,488
Yeah, I don't even remember that

491
00:37:14,488 --> 00:37:16,128
It was a random conversation.

492
00:37:16,428 --> 00:37:17,888
I don't think you really won an iPad.

493
00:37:18,448 --> 00:37:26,148
When I was orange-pilling Osh, my main foe was Apple stock.

494
00:37:26,688 --> 00:37:31,588
That was the giant that I had to slay to convince Osh.

495
00:37:32,408 --> 00:37:35,668
I was buying Apple stock since before the iPhone came out.

496
00:37:36,688 --> 00:37:38,108
It served me well.

497
00:37:38,108 --> 00:37:38,368
Yeah.

498
00:37:38,368 --> 00:37:39,888
yeah

499
00:37:39,888 --> 00:37:42,208
and we had to get over

500
00:37:42,208 --> 00:37:44,568
Benjamin Graham might not have

501
00:37:44,568 --> 00:37:46,388
encouraged people to buy

502
00:37:46,388 --> 00:37:47,768
Bitcoin

503
00:37:47,768 --> 00:37:50,428
above $1,000 investor

504
00:37:50,428 --> 00:37:52,108
ask me Benjamin Graham

505
00:37:52,108 --> 00:37:58,688
alright well thank you again Abigail we appreciate you

506
00:37:58,688 --> 00:38:00,548
and we're praying for you as you go off to school

507
00:38:00,548 --> 00:38:01,608
yeah

508
00:38:01,608 --> 00:38:04,428
talk soon Abigail

509
00:38:04,428 --> 00:38:05,228
good luck

510
00:38:05,228 --> 00:38:10,708
Yeah, and next time, Ryan, you're going to bring a couple of your boys on, or Jordan.

511
00:38:11,248 --> 00:38:11,488
Yeah.

512
00:38:11,568 --> 00:38:13,788
I'm going to bring someone on.

513
00:38:14,048 --> 00:38:15,888
Yeah, my oldest is sick right now.

514
00:38:15,968 --> 00:38:19,748
But yeah, we need to get at least one or two men in here.

515
00:38:20,668 --> 00:38:21,888
Ash, how much more time do you have, man?

516
00:38:23,128 --> 00:38:24,728
I can do like 20 minutes.

517
00:38:25,668 --> 00:38:26,268
Okay, cool.

518
00:38:27,208 --> 00:38:27,588
All right.

519
00:38:27,888 --> 00:38:32,288
So in terms of other things, so I mean, you guys, I know you guys have your presentation

520
00:38:32,288 --> 00:38:34,608
that you guys gave at the conference.

521
00:38:34,608 --> 00:38:36,568
is there anything that you guys want to just share from that

522
00:38:36,568 --> 00:38:38,528
I mean just things you feel like

523
00:38:38,528 --> 00:38:40,488
would be given the conversations we've already had

524
00:38:40,488 --> 00:38:41,048
that you guys want to

525
00:38:41,048 --> 00:38:43,048
play or show up

526
00:38:43,048 --> 00:38:46,488
Ryan you want to talk about the goal and kind of break down

527
00:38:46,488 --> 00:38:48,168
that the Lewis quote

528
00:38:48,168 --> 00:38:49,288
does that sound good

529
00:38:49,288 --> 00:38:52,428
I'm going to pull it up

530
00:38:52,428 --> 00:38:53,208
yeah

531
00:38:53,208 --> 00:38:56,128
that Lewis quote

532
00:38:56,128 --> 00:38:58,128
what we tried to do

533
00:38:58,128 --> 00:39:00,388
so I kind of laid the philosophical

534
00:39:00,388 --> 00:39:01,108
foundation

535
00:39:01,108 --> 00:39:03,888
of low time preference parenting

536
00:39:03,888 --> 00:39:08,708
and then Ryan worked through the practical how-tos.

537
00:39:09,728 --> 00:39:12,388
So I asked this question.

538
00:39:12,468 --> 00:39:15,108
I said, what is the goal of low-time preference parenting?

539
00:39:15,708 --> 00:39:20,828
What do we want our kids to be like as adults, right?

540
00:39:20,828 --> 00:39:25,648
And the issue that I observe is we know, okay,

541
00:39:25,668 --> 00:39:28,608
we don't just want to breed NPCs and midwits,

542
00:39:29,388 --> 00:39:33,128
but we go about the process very haphazardly

543
00:39:33,128 --> 00:39:42,268
and not intentionally. And there's not a clear goal that parents have. And so I tried to lay out

544
00:39:42,268 --> 00:39:48,548
what we thought was a foundational goal. And you'll notice it's not explicitly Christian,

545
00:39:48,868 --> 00:39:55,708
because we didn't have a particularly Christian audience. But at the same time, it is built on a

546
00:39:55,708 --> 00:40:00,788
Christian worldview. And so this is a quote. It's actually from the Hillsdale College Honor Code.

547
00:40:00,788 --> 00:40:07,828
and we think this is a pretty good goal to shoot towards in in raising kids and it uh it goes like

548
00:40:07,828 --> 00:40:15,628
this that this the student is honorable in conduct honest in word and deed dutiful in study and

549
00:40:15,628 --> 00:40:22,008
service and respectful of the rights of others through education the student rises to self

550
00:40:22,008 --> 00:40:29,528
government and that was this idea that we we keyed in on and in particular i think that there's a

551
00:40:29,528 --> 00:40:36,048
a good bridge to your average Bitcoiner where they're like, yes, sovereign individual,

552
00:40:36,808 --> 00:40:43,248
self-government. That sounds great. But I don't think, I think Bitcoin only gets you half of the

553
00:40:43,248 --> 00:40:49,828
way there. Libertarianism only gets you half of the way there. It helps you not be the, just the

554
00:40:49,828 --> 00:40:59,368
state kind of cookie cutter midwit, but it doesn't get you the root of self-government, which is

555
00:40:59,368 --> 00:41:06,368
virtue, which is what the honor code calls the liberty of the soul. So here's a little bit more

556
00:41:06,368 --> 00:41:11,748
unpacking of that honor code. Self-government is a challenge with the promise of a rich reward,

557
00:41:12,308 --> 00:41:19,168
liberty of the soul. A soul enjoys liberty when it is ordered, when its passions are ruled by

558
00:41:19,168 --> 00:41:25,948
reason and its habit is virtue. The college exists for the improvement and ultimate happiness

559
00:41:25,948 --> 00:41:35,908
of its students. So here they're arguing that this idea of self-government has a foundation to it.

560
00:41:36,508 --> 00:41:41,528
It has a reward to it, which is liberty of the soul, and it has a foundation. And that foundation

561
00:41:41,528 --> 00:41:50,208
is passions that are ruled by reason and a habit of virtue. And that that leads to this ultimate

562
00:41:50,208 --> 00:41:55,108
happiness. And then this is the quote that we actually didn't have time to really tease out,

563
00:41:55,108 --> 00:41:57,268
but I think it'll be really interesting to talk about on this.

564
00:41:57,268 --> 00:41:57,648
Hey, Ash.

565
00:41:57,928 --> 00:41:58,248
Yeah.

566
00:41:59,088 --> 00:42:00,488
Hey, Ash, go back a little bit.

567
00:42:00,548 --> 00:42:02,768
Go back to that last, because you were breaking up a little bit.

568
00:42:02,848 --> 00:42:04,748
So I just want to, for the sake of the audio, I just want to read it.

569
00:42:04,768 --> 00:42:06,188
Because if people are watching, then they can see it.

570
00:42:06,228 --> 00:42:09,748
But if they're just listening, there you go.

571
00:42:09,968 --> 00:42:12,128
So the last part, so I'll read the last two sentences.

572
00:42:12,128 --> 00:42:14,068
It says, a soul enjoys liberty when it is ordered,

573
00:42:14,168 --> 00:42:17,108
when its passions are ruled by reason and its habit is virtue.

574
00:42:17,688 --> 00:42:21,688
The college exists for the improvement and ultimate happiness of its students.

575
00:42:21,688 --> 00:42:30,388
so yeah that's i mean it's excellent okay next page yeah so the reward of of self-government is

576
00:42:30,388 --> 00:42:39,188
liberty of the soul and the the path to it the foundation of it is is a rightly ordered soul

577
00:42:39,188 --> 00:42:47,408
right with passions ruled with virtue as a habit now here's that lewis quote he says i believe man

578
00:42:47,408 --> 00:42:55,828
is happier and happy in a richer way if he yeah my my connection keeps disconnecting you're you're

579
00:42:55,828 --> 00:43:03,468
breaking up you sound like you're in the what are you what are you robotic my connections in and out

580
00:43:03,468 --> 00:43:14,868
go for you read it you you're speaking in tongues uh okay i'll read it i believe man is happier

581
00:43:14,868 --> 00:43:24,348
This is C.S. Lewis. I believe man is happier and happier in a richer way if he has the, quote, the freeborn, sorry, the freeborn mind, end quote.

582
00:43:24,708 --> 00:43:30,488
But I doubt whether he can have this without economic independence, which the new society is abolishing.

583
00:43:30,948 --> 00:43:34,808
For economic independence allows an education not controlled by government.

584
00:43:35,108 --> 00:43:42,968
And in adult life, it is the man who needs and asks nothing of the government who can criticize its acts and snap his fingers at its ideology.

585
00:43:42,968 --> 00:43:47,528
who will talk like that when the state is everyone's schoolmaster and employer

586
00:43:47,528 --> 00:43:55,168
i mean this quote is just absolutely bonkers i mean this is uh we one of my one of my favorite

587
00:43:55,168 --> 00:44:01,028
uh sayings is that the logic is a time machine and it is literally like c.s lewis got in a time

588
00:44:01,028 --> 00:44:07,108
machine and teleported to year of our lord 2025 took a look took a quick peek around and then hop

589
00:44:07,108 --> 00:44:11,828
back in and went back and bend this because i mean this is we're seeing this all over the place

590
00:44:11,828 --> 00:44:18,088
You know, before before what's it called? What was the big funding apparatus? America.

591
00:44:18,708 --> 00:44:23,068
Big, beautiful bill. No, the one that got revealed to be just like slush fund for.

592
00:44:23,228 --> 00:44:29,528
Oh, USAID. USAID. Before that kind of got found out. I mean, you have all these people who are on the government dime.

593
00:44:29,748 --> 00:44:35,668
They're sitting there and again, they're terrified of losing this money. So they're not going to say anything against the government to risk losing it.

594
00:44:36,208 --> 00:44:41,168
And there's a whole host of whole host more examples where this exact principle is at work.

595
00:44:41,168 --> 00:44:44,748
Like whoever, if you take the king's coin, you are the king's man.

596
00:44:44,888 --> 00:44:47,008
Like that's how this works in a lot of cases.

597
00:44:47,768 --> 00:44:49,888
And so, again, Lewis understood this.

598
00:44:50,008 --> 00:44:51,688
He articulated the danger in this.

599
00:44:52,128 --> 00:44:53,788
And so, yeah, who will talk?

600
00:44:53,868 --> 00:44:55,408
Who will tell the government that they disagree?

601
00:44:55,548 --> 00:44:59,108
And who will stand up to the government when the government's paying their bills?

602
00:45:00,028 --> 00:45:03,248
At the end of the day, Lewis basically said, yeah, it's going to be tough to do that.

603
00:45:03,248 --> 00:45:08,148
and you're going to basically have the,

604
00:45:08,928 --> 00:45:12,348
basically people are going to be able to call you

605
00:45:12,348 --> 00:45:13,468
if it's true or not.

606
00:45:13,528 --> 00:45:14,008
They're going to be able to say,

607
00:45:14,088 --> 00:45:15,348
hey, you're being hypocritical.

608
00:45:15,568 --> 00:45:16,808
You're telling me not to depend the state

609
00:45:16,808 --> 00:45:19,268
while you're taking, you're on the stage.

610
00:45:20,348 --> 00:45:23,748
Which is a huge reason why we're Bitcoiners

611
00:45:23,748 --> 00:45:28,488
because the state has been allowed to get as big as it is

612
00:45:28,488 --> 00:45:30,388
because of monetary debasement

613
00:45:30,388 --> 00:45:32,248
and they're printing unlimited amounts of money

614
00:45:32,248 --> 00:45:36,788
to fund the ever-growing deficit,

615
00:45:37,328 --> 00:45:40,768
which if people were straight taxed

616
00:45:40,768 --> 00:45:42,148
for all the money that they were spending,

617
00:45:42,548 --> 00:45:44,888
there would have already been several revolutions

618
00:45:44,888 --> 00:45:48,708
between when they first started this debacle,

619
00:45:49,008 --> 00:45:52,608
whatever it was, 125 years ago.

620
00:45:52,688 --> 00:45:53,128
112.

621
00:45:53,668 --> 00:45:54,808
112 years ago.

622
00:45:55,528 --> 00:45:55,708
Yeah.

623
00:45:56,428 --> 00:45:56,648
Yeah.

624
00:45:56,788 --> 00:46:00,468
And that really is the issue, right?

625
00:46:00,468 --> 00:46:02,068
It's this, and we've talked about this before,

626
00:46:02,068 --> 00:46:06,588
It's this passive aggressive form of taxation, secret taxation.

627
00:46:06,588 --> 00:46:08,428
So we're just going to call it something different.

628
00:46:09,308 --> 00:46:14,868
We're going to, I mean, there's, this is, this is very, it's very ancient, right?

629
00:46:14,888 --> 00:46:18,388
This is, this is, I mean, when you see Satan in the garden, what does he do?

630
00:46:18,468 --> 00:46:22,988
He literally, you know, basically, basically says, did God really say that?

631
00:46:23,688 --> 00:46:25,628
You know, he asked Eve, like what God has told them.

632
00:46:25,648 --> 00:46:27,028
And then he says, did God really say that?

633
00:46:27,048 --> 00:46:28,748
And so he's, he's playing with the words.

634
00:46:28,748 --> 00:46:49,868
He's redefining language. And this is this is what you see governments doing. You see governments doing the same thing. They're changing the nature of tax. Oh, this isn't really a tax. You know, we're not going to treat this like a tax. And that means that it's not a tax. It's like, no, that's not how that works. You know, this still this still is a tax. It functions just like a tax.

635
00:46:49,868 --> 00:46:58,208
So even if you don't want to call it that because it's unpopular and will help people to see the reality of what's going on, it still hasn't changed the underlying reality.

636
00:47:00,748 --> 00:47:01,788
Ash, welcome back.

637
00:47:02,468 --> 00:47:02,868
Thank you.

638
00:47:03,188 --> 00:47:03,588
Sorry.

639
00:47:04,288 --> 00:47:04,728
Try again.

640
00:47:06,388 --> 00:47:07,048
You're good.

641
00:47:07,508 --> 00:47:11,308
Do we want to rapid fire through some of those end slides or what do you guys think?

642
00:47:13,708 --> 00:47:14,188
Yeah.

643
00:47:14,448 --> 00:47:14,868
Let's do it.

644
00:47:14,868 --> 00:47:19,588
I can go, you can just, just touch on.

645
00:47:19,868 --> 00:47:22,388
I do want to say one more thing because this is,

646
00:47:22,448 --> 00:47:26,988
and this is worthy of its own episode too, is all of us as,

647
00:47:27,128 --> 00:47:29,708
as Americans and people in the West, like we,

648
00:47:29,828 --> 00:47:33,208
we want practical solutions. Okay. And there,

649
00:47:33,308 --> 00:47:36,328
there absolutely is a place for this, especially in,

650
00:47:36,328 --> 00:47:39,288
in Christian circles. I think there's like, there's, I know for me,

651
00:47:39,288 --> 00:47:43,468
like one of the things that I started looking for practical resources around

652
00:47:43,468 --> 00:47:50,208
parenting and practical resources, meaning like resources that could give me practices that I

653
00:47:50,208 --> 00:47:55,708
could start implementing into my home, into my family. So, you know, that will help produce the

654
00:47:55,708 --> 00:48:01,548
type of outcomes that we see the scriptures say that we should seek and just that will produce

655
00:48:01,548 --> 00:48:06,128
good outcomes. And so there's nothing wrong with desiring those and we do need lots of those.

656
00:48:06,548 --> 00:48:09,248
At the same time, and so there's one group of people who needs to hear that.

657
00:48:09,248 --> 00:48:30,342
At the same time there is you know there a danger to only looking for pragmatic things and for always looking for these very again dumbed down lowest common denominator you know solutions rather than you know being going reading deeply and thinking deeply

658
00:48:30,342 --> 00:48:37,501
and becoming a different type of person. You know, God, he does want us to have practical things and

659
00:48:37,501 --> 00:48:43,501
we do need to implement practical solutions and practical, you know, practices in our lives,

660
00:48:43,501 --> 00:48:53,181
But it's not, you should be very suspicious of your desire to want that too much.

661
00:48:53,181 --> 00:49:01,362
because again, there's a lot of this where a lot of parenting and a lot of marriage and a lot of

662
00:49:01,362 --> 00:49:06,701
just being a human is just, it's got to do with relationship. It's got to do with, you know,

663
00:49:06,742 --> 00:49:11,842
reading and changing as you read the scriptures and changing as you spend time with other people

664
00:49:11,842 --> 00:49:16,421
and spend time with other books as Abigail was mentioning. So I think that, you know,

665
00:49:16,421 --> 00:49:22,102
those are both dangers to be aware of. And it's for you to have the wisdom to distinguish which

666
00:49:22,102 --> 00:49:28,541
of those you are more naturally bent towards appreciating. And, you know, once you figure out

667
00:49:28,541 --> 00:49:32,421
which one you're more naturally bent towards appreciating, then, hey, then maybe, okay, I'm

668
00:49:32,421 --> 00:49:38,322
going to intentionally spend more time over here. So, yeah, I just want to say that because these

669
00:49:38,322 --> 00:49:43,262
are very practical solutions that Ryan talked about at the end. And there's, for some people,

670
00:49:43,262 --> 00:49:47,302
it's like, yeah, you definitely need these. And so, you know, free yourself by finding these and,

671
00:49:47,302 --> 00:49:53,602
and being able to have the wisdom of other people who've walked before you in order to help implement some things.

672
00:49:54,142 --> 00:49:54,721
Yeah. Thank you.

673
00:49:54,822 --> 00:49:55,842
Just like a philosophy.

674
00:49:55,842 --> 00:49:59,721
I would say that. Yeah.

675
00:50:00,242 --> 00:50:03,762
We were reading, we were finishing up Ecclesiastes this morning.

676
00:50:04,102 --> 00:50:08,421
And yeah, the challenge to fear God and obey his commandments is like,

677
00:50:08,642 --> 00:50:13,701
ultimately, if you want the fountain and the source of a lot of these encouragements,

678
00:50:13,941 --> 00:50:16,581
a lot of these, yeah, that's where they came from.

679
00:50:16,581 --> 00:50:28,921
And it was like I said at the beginning of the talk, like almost all the topics that we were bringing up in our very quick talk, you could talk about each one of them for an hour or three, you know.

680
00:50:29,061 --> 00:50:41,221
So it's just like, if anything, yeah, they're just, they were there, put in there to encourage and maybe it'd be helpful to some who are watching, listening.

681
00:50:41,221 --> 00:50:47,382
So I'll read the assumptions really quick and then hand it over to Ryan.

682
00:50:47,642 --> 00:50:50,481
If I break up, you guys just start talking.

683
00:50:52,362 --> 00:50:54,282
Because, yeah, I don't know when the connection comes.

684
00:50:54,282 --> 00:50:54,981
Sounds good now.

685
00:50:55,762 --> 00:51:00,782
But the assumptions we had is stacking kids is even more rewarding than stacking sats.

686
00:51:02,041 --> 00:51:03,742
We believe that children are a blessing.

687
00:51:04,242 --> 00:51:07,282
The efficiencies of scale also apply to having kids.

688
00:51:08,081 --> 00:51:09,282
Above three is free.

689
00:51:09,282 --> 00:51:11,981
is how I like to say it.

690
00:51:12,342 --> 00:51:16,102
Now, the reality of how expensive my life is right now

691
00:51:16,102 --> 00:51:18,122
kind of begs to differ,

692
00:51:18,402 --> 00:51:20,382
but there are efficiencies of scale

693
00:51:20,382 --> 00:51:22,242
and it's not as hard as you people think.

694
00:51:22,342 --> 00:51:23,941
They usually tap out too early.

695
00:51:25,021 --> 00:51:26,201
And as long as you,

696
00:51:26,681 --> 00:51:30,102
I mean, you've stewarded well the health of your wife

697
00:51:30,102 --> 00:51:32,882
and I'll be controversial

698
00:51:32,882 --> 00:51:34,322
and you don't vaccinate your kids

699
00:51:34,322 --> 00:51:37,481
so that they don't get all jacked up and crazy.

700
00:51:37,481 --> 00:51:42,701
like if you're able to set trajectories of discipline well and you teach authority to

701
00:51:42,701 --> 00:51:46,262
your kids this is what i say there's good and bad authority you need to teach the difference

702
00:51:46,262 --> 00:51:52,021
um and and then finally if you start with discipline before they are two you can trust

703
00:51:52,021 --> 00:51:58,561
them with freedom when they are 16 by god's grace we've never had a terrible twos and

704
00:51:58,561 --> 00:52:05,802
like yes the kids get moody kids have ups and downs and and going through puberty is always

705
00:52:05,802 --> 00:52:15,701
going to be a challenge, but it doesn't have to be a catastrophe. And you can open up the options

706
00:52:15,701 --> 00:52:21,001
and provide freedom because you can trust your 16-year-old because you've taught them discipline

707
00:52:21,001 --> 00:52:27,602
and wisdom from when they were young. So those are my assumptions that I shared. And then here's

708
00:52:27,602 --> 00:52:31,501
some practical advice. Ryan, you can just tell me if you want me to go forward or not.

709
00:52:31,501 --> 00:52:59,541
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, be consistently low time preference yourself. You know, the reality is, uh, you don't expect your kids to be something that you're not. Like, if you have weaknesses, your kids are going to have those same weaknesses. And so, yeah, it's a good, um, yeah. I said the kids will copy what we do much more than what we say. Um, yeah, we got to take care of ourselves, our culture, the things that love is, you know, completely forgetting about yourself.

710
00:52:59,541 --> 00:53:00,441
and it's actually not.

711
00:53:00,642 --> 00:53:04,662
Like, you know, it's the whole, the plane's going down,

712
00:53:05,041 --> 00:53:07,001
you know, the oxygen mask, put it on yourself first.

713
00:53:07,081 --> 00:53:09,282
It enables you to take care of others around you.

714
00:53:09,322 --> 00:53:10,421
And it's the same thing with parents.

715
00:53:10,682 --> 00:53:14,081
Like, father and mother, like, you need to take care of yourself,

716
00:53:14,302 --> 00:53:16,561
you know, physically, emotionally, and spiritually.

717
00:53:18,081 --> 00:53:21,701
And if you don't, you don't have anything to pour out into your children.

718
00:53:21,701 --> 00:53:26,561
And that has massive implications for the rest of their life.

719
00:53:26,742 --> 00:53:29,001
And it changes your home.

720
00:53:29,001 --> 00:53:34,501
it changes their you know everything so just encourage parents to to take care of themselves

721
00:53:34,501 --> 00:53:40,862
and um yeah life's a race it's a journey aspire to finish well so think about the end often and

722
00:53:40,862 --> 00:53:49,242
pace yourself and uh yeah encouraging you know a happy marriage good marriages are you know it's

723
00:53:49,242 --> 00:53:55,701
a result of proof of work and not somehow finding a perfect match i mean our culture through trash

724
00:53:55,701 --> 00:54:01,862
movies uh you know that everyone's been deceived into thinking oh you know there's this perfect

725
00:54:01,862 --> 00:54:07,822
person out there that's going to complete me and it's the exact opposite um marriage is a refining

726
00:54:07,822 --> 00:54:14,021
incredible institution that god created and um they take a ton of work um but

727
00:54:14,021 --> 00:54:24,642
so like we proof of work like for bitcoiners um but yeah but it's one of the most like uh the

728
00:54:24,642 --> 00:54:29,122
biggest things that children need. They need a stable, like they need their parents to have a

729
00:54:29,122 --> 00:54:36,742
stable marriage. Um, I know this is a hard truth. Divorce is the ultimate rug pull on children. Um,

730
00:54:37,362 --> 00:54:43,782
man, the most painful thing a child could possibly go through. Um, yeah, just encouraging,

731
00:54:43,782 --> 00:54:51,581
uh, you know, couples to date their spouse weekly, guard that time, huge, huge long-term payoff.

732
00:54:51,581 --> 00:54:59,021
yeah this is where I got to walk out at this point where I was encouraging mom to stay home

733
00:54:59,021 --> 00:55:04,541
and I'm just like I when I say this I'm you know I'm not trying to jump into the culture war I'm

734
00:55:04,541 --> 00:55:09,001
just literally you know I'm thinking about like the two three four five year old kids I think about

735
00:55:09,001 --> 00:55:16,642
my six-year-old daughter she's as happy as you could possibly imagine and it's because she gets

736
00:55:16,642 --> 00:55:21,901
to spend an enormous amount of time with my wife every day. And so I say that with, you know,

737
00:55:21,921 --> 00:55:28,262
with that on my heart. And maybe I can encourage a couple of parents out there to just to revisit it.

738
00:55:28,882 --> 00:55:33,461
There is a cost to it. You have to like budget around it and you have to reduce your expenses.

739
00:55:33,882 --> 00:55:38,081
And somehow, you know, the Lord will provide, you know, if your goal is to honor him. And

740
00:55:38,081 --> 00:55:45,941
yeah, dad has the freedom and the flexibility to be in children's life. I think that that's

741
00:55:45,941 --> 00:55:51,021
such a big one like literally redesign your life backwards figure out how to pull that off it's you

742
00:55:51,021 --> 00:55:57,221
know the more that that that could happen or if it's a even like in choosing career i mean there's

743
00:55:57,221 --> 00:56:01,721
careers that pull dads away from their families for six months at a time and i'm like dude that's

744
00:56:01,721 --> 00:56:13,622
that's tough like uh yeah yeah it just it is and it again i've got buddies uh you know i've got

745
00:56:13,622 --> 00:56:17,142
buddies who are in the military, you know, again, this is, this is like something where,

746
00:56:17,701 --> 00:56:21,501
you know, again, they're people, people make decisions and they're in situations. And so

747
00:56:21,501 --> 00:56:25,221
like there, there's two sets of things, right? Like there's, there's prescriptive and there's

748
00:56:25,221 --> 00:56:28,762
descriptive. There's a lot of the things that are talked about here that you're talking about,

749
00:56:28,762 --> 00:56:31,981
where it's like, all right, Hey, these things are just true. Like these things are just

750
00:56:31,981 --> 00:56:36,142
actually true. If with mom staying home, Hey, someone's going to be influencing your kids

751
00:56:36,142 --> 00:56:41,201
all day long. Like it's either going to be somebody who is, who cares about them and whose

752
00:56:41,201 --> 00:56:44,901
well-being is directly tied to their well-being.

753
00:56:45,021 --> 00:56:46,561
And so you have mutual incentive alignment.

754
00:56:47,122 --> 00:56:49,822
Or it's going to be somebody who doesn't necessarily have that.

755
00:56:50,142 --> 00:56:51,822
And so there's going to be other things.

756
00:56:52,122 --> 00:56:53,941
So this is not to be like personal.

757
00:56:54,102 --> 00:56:55,642
This is not like any of these kind of things.

758
00:56:56,541 --> 00:56:58,842
There just really are consequences to these things.

759
00:56:59,421 --> 00:57:01,822
And then there's obviously going to be people listening to this

760
00:57:01,822 --> 00:57:04,041
who because of their decisions up to this point,

761
00:57:04,461 --> 00:57:05,041
they're going to be like,

762
00:57:05,162 --> 00:57:08,122
all right, well, I do have to be gone for a few months at a time

763
00:57:08,122 --> 00:57:08,802
or something like that,

764
00:57:08,862 --> 00:57:10,941
depending on a few times every couple of years

765
00:57:10,941 --> 00:57:15,282
just something like that. And so, you know, this really is just something to, it's like, all right,

766
00:57:15,541 --> 00:57:21,682
so, you know, maybe this is, maybe this is an opportunity to, you know, to rethink my, and to

767
00:57:21,682 --> 00:57:27,802
rethink career trajectory, or maybe this is an opportunity to, you know, to basically compensate

768
00:57:27,802 --> 00:57:33,561
and be like, okay, you know, if I'm absolutely in this situation, there's nothing I can do about it

769
00:57:33,561 --> 00:57:38,362
for the next, you know, this, for at least the next year and a half or something, you know, where

770
00:57:38,362 --> 00:57:42,081
I'm going to be gone for a couple months or a few months or whatever, then how can I,

771
00:57:42,441 --> 00:57:46,581
you know, as I'm presenting this to the Lord and basically saying, Lord, this was not a good

772
00:57:46,581 --> 00:57:52,041
choice. Like I recognize like, this is not producing, uh, this is all, this is incentivizing

773
00:57:52,041 --> 00:57:58,541
outcomes that I, that are not good. Uh, please help me to find a way out. Uh, and then please

774
00:57:58,541 --> 00:58:02,302
help me to be faithful with what the situation that I'm in right now. And in the meantime,

775
00:58:02,302 --> 00:58:07,561
uh, you know, this is not like, this is not a, what you guys are describing is not something

776
00:58:07,561 --> 00:58:12,441
where it's like, all right, well, you know, we're, the ship has sailed on this, on this idea. Like

777
00:58:12,441 --> 00:58:16,581
it's not like that at all. And I know that you guys aren't saying that at all, but for people who,

778
00:58:16,642 --> 00:58:22,921
who are, you know, listening, like this is not some sort of rigid, uh, you know, one size fits

779
00:58:22,921 --> 00:58:27,322
all. If you're not, if you're not a hundred percent perfect at this, then, you know, forget you.

780
00:58:27,382 --> 00:58:31,142
Like that's not what's going on here. Like these are just, this is wisdom, practical wisdom,

781
00:58:31,142 --> 00:58:37,901
you know, from, you know, millennia. Yeah. Yeah. And coming out of like, yeah, I just,

782
00:58:38,142 --> 00:58:44,421
we put those down there. Like I've been a dad for 20, almost 20 years now. I still a lot to learn,

783
00:58:44,521 --> 00:58:51,162
obviously. I don't have everything figured out. Yeah. But it's just, in general, it's just,

784
00:58:51,541 --> 00:58:58,581
it's encouraging parents to consider the incredible treasure that children are,

785
00:58:58,581 --> 00:59:03,822
an incredible responsibility that we have as fathers and mothers to raise our kids well,

786
00:59:04,481 --> 00:59:11,901
to fear God and to love Him and obey His commandments, and also to take on the responsibility

787
00:59:11,901 --> 00:59:17,221
of training them, educating them, and discipling them. And those are huge, like, those are the

788
00:59:17,221 --> 00:59:24,521
most important tasks in our life. And at the end of our lives, like, realistically, they will be,

789
00:59:24,521 --> 00:59:26,581
like our greatest accomplishments in the world.

790
00:59:27,102 --> 00:59:27,581
And,

791
00:59:27,662 --> 00:59:29,182
and in,

792
00:59:29,342 --> 00:59:30,561
in light of that,

793
00:59:30,701 --> 00:59:33,682
wrestle with each area of life,

794
00:59:33,682 --> 00:59:35,001
like what is most helpful,

795
00:59:35,501 --> 00:59:35,862
you know,

796
00:59:35,901 --> 00:59:37,221
to my wife and my kids,

797
00:59:37,602 --> 00:59:39,302
not making them an idol,

798
00:59:39,401 --> 00:59:41,182
but just being a good steward of them.

799
00:59:41,182 --> 00:59:43,501
And yeah.

800
00:59:44,041 --> 00:59:46,262
And I think there's just too often we,

801
00:59:46,742 --> 00:59:47,401
yeah,

802
00:59:47,461 --> 00:59:47,581
we,

803
00:59:47,662 --> 00:59:48,041
we,

804
00:59:48,162 --> 00:59:49,682
we get tempted to,

805
00:59:49,682 --> 00:59:51,182
yeah,

806
00:59:51,721 --> 00:59:53,001
to treasure other things and,

807
00:59:53,061 --> 00:59:54,501
and to make other things more important.

808
00:59:54,521 --> 00:59:59,322
And, you know, and we just, yeah, we should always be fighting back.

809
00:59:59,441 --> 01:00:11,282
And I would say our culture is probably one of the, is the biggest, the culture in this world is the biggest source of endless temptations to divide our time and, yeah, and our efforts.

810
01:00:12,662 --> 01:00:15,961
Hey, guys, I got to run and pick up my brother-in-law from the airport.

811
01:00:16,342 --> 01:00:22,122
I emailed you guys the slides if you want to keep talking about them or if you want to do part two next week.

812
01:00:22,981 --> 01:00:24,501
Yeah, we're going to get it closed down here.

813
01:00:24,521 --> 01:00:27,262
But Ash, before you go, we do have one question from Juradical.

814
01:00:28,162 --> 01:00:30,682
He's wondering if Hillsdale accepts Bitcoin.

815
01:00:32,102 --> 01:00:38,461
Yeah, so I actually tagged them on Twitter to talk about that.

816
01:00:38,521 --> 01:00:39,742
I haven't got an answer yet.

817
01:00:40,762 --> 01:00:43,162
So I will be looking into it.

818
01:00:45,102 --> 01:00:46,941
Help them make it happen.

819
01:00:48,642 --> 01:00:53,701
Yeah, I mean, so by God's grace, student debt is a big issue.

820
01:00:54,521 --> 01:01:00,001
And I strongly encourage my older kids, if they want to consider college, they got to do it without debt.

821
01:01:00,961 --> 01:01:07,001
She basically, I don't want to, yeah.

822
01:01:07,662 --> 01:01:10,302
I'll just say, well, she's going to get out of school without debt.

823
01:01:10,541 --> 01:01:11,762
I'll just say it like that.

824
01:01:13,001 --> 01:01:16,001
And so that's a huge gift.

825
01:01:16,001 --> 01:01:22,021
And Bitcoin is a small part of that being able to be an option for her.

826
01:01:22,021 --> 01:01:29,322
um so so yeah whether they accept it or whether whether daddy accepts it and then

827
01:01:29,322 --> 01:01:36,021
pays for the other i think i yeah i we should we should talk in the future kind of what you were

828
01:01:36,021 --> 01:01:41,441
describing to me of like kind of your your plan for her handling her her bitcoin stuff i feel like

829
01:01:41,441 --> 01:01:45,382
excuse me i feel like people would really benefit from hearing that if you're if you're willing to

830
01:01:45,382 --> 01:01:51,142
share um but yeah so geradical great question uh we will we'll get back to you uh please hold our

831
01:01:51,142 --> 01:01:56,842
feed to the fire, we will report back. Again, we are super grateful for you guys. If you guys are

832
01:01:56,842 --> 01:02:03,182
not following Ash, Ryan, and I, and Matt as well on Twitter, go follow us over there. If you have

833
01:02:03,182 --> 01:02:08,461
not, if you're watching this on YouTube, like and subscribe. This is one way you can incentivize

834
01:02:08,461 --> 01:02:17,221
our benevolent overlord algorithm overlords to continue to lead the faithful to more of this

835
01:02:17,221 --> 01:02:23,182
content we uh again follow us on twitter as well you can find us there you can follow tgfb

836
01:02:23,182 --> 01:02:30,642
it's thank god for btc on twitter and we will be back soon on the next episode hey hey big big day

837
01:02:30,642 --> 01:02:37,941
today was the vice president of brazil hold hold in a copy of thank god for bitcoin that was quite

838
01:02:37,941 --> 01:02:44,602
the yeah i was trying to find it right yeah dude you can go if you need to go um it says that oh

839
01:02:44,602 --> 01:02:45,642
But yeah, we've just set up.

840
01:02:47,561 --> 01:02:48,401
Oh, gosh.

841
01:02:48,802 --> 01:02:50,401
Well, can you leave it open?

842
01:02:52,342 --> 01:02:52,782
Yeah.

843
01:02:53,921 --> 01:02:54,362
Yeah.

844
01:02:54,721 --> 01:02:55,362
Here we go.

845
01:02:55,421 --> 01:02:59,481
We've got Vice President of Brazil spotted with Thank God for Bitcoin book.

846
01:02:59,481 --> 01:03:03,701
I believe it's the Brazilian copy or the Portuguese translation.

847
01:03:04,581 --> 01:03:05,162
That's amazing.

848
01:03:05,721 --> 01:03:06,921
Yeah, just wild.

849
01:03:07,142 --> 01:03:07,561
So that means...

850
01:03:07,561 --> 01:03:08,041
Did you know?

851
01:03:08,162 --> 01:03:08,541
Do you know?

852
01:03:08,981 --> 01:03:09,662
I don't...

853
01:03:09,662 --> 01:03:10,041
Do you know?

854
01:03:10,262 --> 01:03:10,742
I do not.

855
01:03:11,262 --> 01:03:12,642
I know that was...

856
01:03:12,642 --> 01:03:12,842
That's amazing.

857
01:03:12,842 --> 01:03:15,862
That was one of the first translations was Portuguese.

858
01:03:16,802 --> 01:03:17,162
Wow.

859
01:03:17,802 --> 01:03:19,242
So, yeah, that's the vice president of Brazil.

860
01:03:19,481 --> 01:03:23,862
We do know, I believe Greg Abbott, the governor of Texas, has at least two copies.

861
01:03:24,001 --> 01:03:25,322
I want to say he has three copies.

862
01:03:26,142 --> 01:03:28,182
We've had a number of people give him the book.

863
01:03:30,021 --> 01:03:32,041
Yeah, we're, oh, man, should we announce this?

864
01:03:32,302 --> 01:03:34,302
Who got that into their hands?

865
01:03:35,102 --> 01:03:36,122
I honestly don't know.

866
01:03:36,201 --> 01:03:38,541
Whoever got that translation, I would imagine.

867
01:03:38,822 --> 01:03:41,421
Like, there's a pretty passionate, pretty passionate.

868
01:03:41,421 --> 01:03:42,441
We're going to split them out.

869
01:03:42,842 --> 01:03:45,561
Yeah, we need to get them a shout out.

870
01:03:45,762 --> 01:03:52,682
Yeah, we do have a very interesting and very exciting announcement

871
01:03:52,682 --> 01:03:58,061
that we're going to be making about TGFB, the book here,

872
01:03:58,322 --> 01:03:59,961
should be within the next couple of months.

873
01:04:00,061 --> 01:04:00,921
Oh, awesome.

874
01:04:01,461 --> 01:04:05,041
So, yeah, we are just crazy, something that's going on.

875
01:04:05,041 --> 01:04:08,162
So we are grateful for that, and we'll have more news in the future.

876
01:04:08,662 --> 01:04:10,282
So, again, we'll see you on Thursday.

877
01:04:10,282 --> 01:04:15,742
We'll be back with the Mountain Presby's on episode 27 of To the Unknown Pod.

878
01:04:15,802 --> 01:04:16,521
We'll talk to you guys later.