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are we live you know what ash we are live welcome to another episode of to the unknown pod

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uh we are we are glad to have you here uh my name is jordan i'm here with ashwa ryan and matt

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we are friends we are bitcoiners we are uh either or or have been in ministry in in various

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ways. We're small business owners. We do a bunch of things. And basically, again, to give you an

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idea of this podcast, what we do, we come in every week and we spend time on Twitter. And so rather

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than just let that time just fall into the abyss, we want to redeem that time. And so we take it,

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we bring tweets that we found that we think would be helpful, whether on the level of a father,

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as husbands, as just men, as business owners, whatever it is, we bring them here, we kind of

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share them and then just get each other's opinions on them. And we enjoy it. So we're

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just going to jump right into things. We're going to stop doing so much introduction like we've done

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in the past. One of the first things that we want to mention here, for those of you who might not

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know, we have one little bit of business and that is that, let me share this here because I share

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here it goes, the shill. Here comes the shill. We have to start with the shill, of course. We have

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the Orange Umbrella Kickstarter. This is the first kids book offered by Thank God for Bitcoin,

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TGFB Media, where I am the director. We are, look at this, 86% of the way funded. We have six days

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to go. Hop over here if this interests you at all. It's a Bitcoin kids book that doesn't

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mention the B word. It's designed to be a covert orange pill for those of you who have family

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members, nieces and nephews who you want to help understand Bitcoin. It's a great little book,

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The whole thing rhymes.

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It's got Christian undertones for those of you who, again, want to and value that as well.

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So come over here.

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We've got over 104 backers.

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We really want to get this up to $12,500 so that we can get this funded.

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It's an all or nothing thing with Kickstarter.

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So, hey, Jordan, come clean.

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Is there a hidden Jesus pill in there too?

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Oh, well, this is there.

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Yes, there absolutely is a hidden Jesus pill.

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If you're a Christian and you read this book, you're going to be like, oh, my gosh, this is fantastic.

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So, yeah, this is one of these things.

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Again, all of it's subtle.

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All of it's subtle, but it's very clear.

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And so, yeah, I just think if you have Bitcoiners in your life who, you know, you want to hear a good story, then it's great.

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If you have, again, just Christians in your life, they're going to appreciate the Jesus level of the story as well.

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Again, it stands alone.

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Even if you didn't know there was anything about Bitcoin, it's a great story.

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We'd love to get it into more people's hands.

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So that's one way you can support the pod.

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You can support what we're doing.

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Go subscribe or grab your copy today.

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We've got a bunch of different options that are denominated in sats.

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Go grab that and denominate your whole life in Bitcoin.

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And again, shill over.

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Go for it.

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Shill over.

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Guys, what are we going to talk about today?

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I believe we've talked about this.

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We have this nailed down.

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The forgotten cost or the forgotten foundations of wealthy families.

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That's kind of what we decided to talk about.

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So let's just hop right in.

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Here we go.

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We found this tweet from one of our favorite Twitter follows of recent weeks.

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Has been the DeChristian Life.

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I don't know why they chose that name.

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I need to hear more.

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What does that even mean?

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I do not know.

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But it is a fantastic account.

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just about, I mean, so many of the things that they're posting are just fantastic,

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very helpful, challenging to us as men. And so here we are, we're going to share this here.

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Well, the biggest difference between your family and a wealthy family is something that's been

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forgotten now for about three generations. And that is that the wealthy families band and bind

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themselves together to build wealth. But now we've been programmed by media. And in fact,

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the same wealth of people that don't want competition,

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we should strike out on our own.

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We should do it together.

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Leave family.

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Let them fend for themselves.

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You're an independent.

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You're on your own.

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You're powerful that way.

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No.

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No.

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You're weak in that way.

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How does that make any sense that you're powerful by yourself?

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Only together, in partnership, in community, in family,

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does that make any sense that we can band together

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and win in this very, very difficult game called commercial likes?

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And is it any wonder that all the rich came from family money?

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Some of these families have been going on for hundreds and hundreds of years, generations

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of wealth.

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They're handed down.

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It kind of doesn't matter whether it's the corporate structure method or the trust method

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or the waterfall method.

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It's that they've all banded together.

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And some of you are like, I hate my family.

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Well, that's your personal problem that you should probably solve that or get yourself

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a new family because it's so impossible for the average person to get ahead by themselves.

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but with a family together, not your family, but in a family environment, that's when you

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multiply your chances of massive success for not just you, but for them and your entire community.

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Yeah, no, I think that the thing that just appealed to me on this front is we, again,

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some of it's, there's this famous story from David Foster Wallace, who's a writer, you know,

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a couple of decades ago. And he basically told a story about these two fish that are swimming in

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the water and this older fish is swimming by them and says to them, Hey boys, how's the water today?

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And the two fish go, what's water? And it just talks about the fact that there's these, there's,

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you know, for, especially those of us who are younger, when we're younger, there's these

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realities that exist that we're, that are just pervade. They're so pervasively effective on us,

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um, influence us in so pervasively that we don't even recognize they're, they're there. We just

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take for granted that this is just reality. This is just all we've ever known. And one of the ways

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in which you can apply this is that we live in a super individualistic culture right now.

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And part of that is just by virtue of the, at least in the United States and the West,

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by virtue of the wealth that we have and the fact that we have monetary stability

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to degrees that has, I mean, rarely been and scarcely been experienced throughout all of human

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history. And so we're able to survive and get by ourselves with one income or as a family with

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two incomes between husband and wife. We can live in many ways without needing to rely

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monetarily to the same extent that many other people did in the past. And so I think one of

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things that this brings out is just the fact that, again, although that's possible, you still

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leave a ton of things on the table, a ton of, you know, things are a lot harder than they would

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necessarily need to be because of that. And so I think that just hearing somebody speak to

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just the reality of how things actually still work today at the wealthiest levels and how things

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have worked all throughout human history is just a very good and needed reminder or lesson to those

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of us who haven't grown up where those kind of dynamics are understood. So anybody else? What

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do y'all think about that? Dude, I have a story that kind of illustrates it well.

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after high school and after I started life.

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And it was tough, you know, just like in a sense,

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starting from scratch, I didn't like,

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I didn't go into the family business.

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My dad was a dentist.

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But yeah, I didn't, I wasn't interested in doing that.

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And so in a sense, I was,

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it was like I was starting all over again

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and I didn't have, you know,

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there was no family enterprise to jump into.

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but I had a buddy of mine who was in the same situation and so we're I remember we're talking

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on the phone one day and he was telling me that he was you know he was just about done with college

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and he was going to be a an investment advisor you know like Edward Jones or something like that

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and I was just like am I dude have you ever thought about just going to school for a couple

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more years and just taking over your dad's dental practice and he's just like literally had this

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massive light bulb moment right as we're talking i'm like yeah it's pretty crazy i mean if you're

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like i i'm not i don't want to do it personally but like if if you're interested that's like one

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of the like best opportunities you could imagine because like that's the hardest thing about

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getting started um in a medical career is like if you have a family member like if your parent

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owns the practice and you're just taking it over. You work with him first, you get free training

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and then you buy him out. And it's like an incredible thing. Dude, he like literally one

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month later, he was enrolled in dental school, meets his wife at dental school. Now they're both,

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they both came back and took over the dad's practice. It was probably one of the most profound,

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but like it illustrated it because I'd have other friends who also went into that path. And it's

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like they end up signing themselves up for, you know, 10, 20 years of debt just to even get started.

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And people don't understand like those hurdles, like they can set a person back a decade or two

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trying to get over those initial hurdles where a family that's intentional about how they do things

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can help their own children like skip that 10 or 20 year period.

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And that's not a bad thing.

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like we've and it's what's crazy i've yeah i kind of feel like we've we've turned it into this

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uh it's almost like we've shamed we shame people for talking about it and it's like no like it's

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there's nothing shameful about being you know like strong position financially and being able

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to provide for your family and um it's literally just like being physically healthy like there's

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nothing shameful about it like take care of your um anyways yeah so i a hundred percent agree i

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think um but yeah it's hard to learn it all learn everything for the first time like if you if you

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know you weren't born into a family where like your parents had that vision um i think probably

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i don't know all four of us are probably somewhere in that camp um but yeah there's no time like

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today to change the course for our children so yeah and i think another thing is it's just like

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i think about all these farmers right there's there's all these people who were farmers

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over the last 40, 50 years.

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They have all these farms.

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They have all this land.

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the story that you hear over and over again

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is that they get to the second generation.

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Their kids stayed on the farm.

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Their kids helped.

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Their kids made that their career.

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that doesn't want to stay there.

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That has seen,

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it has been indoctrinated

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with this message of,

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you have to go to college.

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You have to go.

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this is how you get ahead. And in so many cases, it's literally just here, no, here, I want to put

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shackles on you and, and, you know, enslave you into debt. And actually this is the one type of

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debt that you can't actually declare bankruptcy on. So we're going to take the one kind of debt

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that you can't declare bankruptcy on and give it to the most vulnerable people right at their,

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right as they're launching off into the world. It's like, it's, it's insane. It's just like when

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you actually objectively take a step back and look at it, you're just like, what in the world?

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And so to turn down, like being part of your, you know, turning down this legacy that your family has left for you and just basically selling it off and saying, I don't want that.

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And then they're selling it, you know, selling it off either to strangers or to large corporations.

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Like it is just a staggeringly sad reality.

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It is just so frustrating in terms of just, yeah, in terms of this source of wealth and source of experience that, you know, again, that's the other side of things is so much of experience is so much of a life lived.

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And the goal of that is that you're able to pass down these lessons and be able to take what you've learned and help people who are coming behind you, especially your kids, you know, learn things about the world as a result.

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And this kind of dynamic just completely breaks that.

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And it's basically like it teaches kids to look at their parents as like, oh, there's this, they're just, they think in this old way.

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You know, I don't, I don't, you know, it basically renders these parents and grandparents as, you know, irrelevant or renders their experience irrelevant.

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And it renders, you know, it just creates this temptation to despise all of this real life, you know, experience that has provided for generations of your family.

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I just it's super frustrating especially when you see again all the debt that that results in

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just the long-term consequences of this thinking it's just frustrating I want to add one more thing

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I will say that it wasn't just that that third generation rejected like like took it for granted

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and rejected it there was also a very real um there were some very big mistakes that those

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older generations made in how they balanced their time like they were extremely hard like

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so i'll say it was the greatest they call it the greatest generation it was like our grandparents

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basically they were extremely hard working but they worked too much and sacrificed their families

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oftentimes uh like uh working 16 8 you know 16 8 16 hours a day kind of a thing yeah like

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seven days a week and ground themselves into the ground you know like uh with working uh even up

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until they died sometimes and i've actually had conversations with a local farmer multi-generational

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farmer who said straight up, I will not go down the path that my grandfather and father went down.

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And it was this thing. But so it is. But that's also sad because they they were doing well,

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but they could have done much better in the sense that, you know, it's balancing like

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you can't work too much like you, you know, you have to work on your family more.

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and so it could have been different

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where it was balancing those things

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but ultimately the end result is

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if you don't do it well, then the kids will just say

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I don't want this at all. I want a completely different life

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and they reject it all and

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that's also literally just as sad

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because like you said, it all doesn't get passed down

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they miss out on the benefits

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There's, you know, yeah, but.

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Yeah, I just, I feel like one of the examples you look at in the ancient world, and I'll use Jesus and Paul as an example, but it wasn't just them.

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It was the vibe back then.

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They had a trade when they were teenagers.

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and um and so that i think this ties into some of our previous discussions where

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some of the entrapment even in the spiritual community in the pastoral community missionaries

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all that kind of stuff i haven't lived it but i've i've talked to people who are just like

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i need a break my family needs a break um this and that but you're in the uh sort of church

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industrial system you know and it's like unless you go back to school for another degree unless

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you change your mission field, unless you change, you know, your church or whatever,

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you went through and you're trapped in it. And, um, and just to say that's the spiritual side,

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ministry side, but that's true in every area is they had a bankable skill probably by the time

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they were like 16 or 17. And that hasn't actually gone away. Uh, both Osh and Ryan know, uh, Dean

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Krakauer and other people in on the island here who have mentored up welders and carpenters and

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stuff like that from 13 and on and their own kids from younger than that who have gone on to start

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their own businesses heavy machinery tree cutting you know all these other things which offer

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a freedom to in Paul's case for instance to minister and and full-time you know do his thing

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spiritually or on the other hand to say these guys won't trust me if I ask for money so I'm

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going to work like all like all the rest of the people and set an example and he tells I think

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it's the Ephesians he tells them we never ate a piece of bread without paying for it you know

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and my my way of looking at I believe it's in Ephesians no I'm sorry uh I think it's in Acts 20

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when he did when he talks to the church that he's about to leave I think he brought in his his guys

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Timothy Titus, those kind of guys into his business because he says, neither I nor anyone

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who came with me took anything from you, but we provided for ourself and I'm set to set you an

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example. So maybe I don't know if that's, that's not too much of a bunny trail to say something's

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wrong with the idea that like from a young age, people are not being raised up with skills and

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these trade skills are not antithetical to an intellectual life. You know, they're not

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antithetical at all, they can

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lay the foundation for the freedom,

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maybe even the freedom to speak the truth when it's

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uncomfortable, when you might be pressured

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otherwise.

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Jordan, could you share the Dale Partridge

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post that just goes right alongside

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this? Oh, shoot. Which one? I didn't

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see that one. I just put it in the studio chat.

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Okay, gotcha.

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Coming at you.

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Okay, I'll start reading this.

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Do it.

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So he says, the reason most children

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move away is because their parents never gave them a reason to stay. If you want your children

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to grow up, stay local and build upon your family legacy, here's how to do it. One, provide them a

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faithful and deeply connected local church When children are members of the same congregation throughout their childhood they develop strong relational bonds making it difficult to imagine leaving when they grow up

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Two, provide them with real estate. Whether it's a home, land, or down payment, giving your children

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a place to live will encourage them to stay close. Ideally, purchase a larger family property, 15 plus

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acres, to host a few generations. Three, provide them with a business to take over. You can't hand

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down a job. So it's wise to build a successful business that your children can inherit and scale

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for future generations. And then finally, four, provide them with an educational experience or

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school for their children that allows them to share in the same traditions, moments, and milestones

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that once shaped their own lives. A church, a home, a business, and a school, these are the building

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blocks of life. A strong, multi-generational-minded patriarch will thoughtfully provide these for his

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children and grandchildren. So yeah, I found out this week, a lot of what we've already been

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talking about. I think the school piece, I mean, if you choose to home educate, you still need an

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educational community. I think having other young people where you can learn around and having other

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educating moms to support, uh, uh, you, the, the mother of your kids that's trying to educate them

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really goes a long way. Um, so I would say I agree with all this. And I think that that business

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idea, like having gone into the ministry where it is, where I could hand, hand off like things I

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learned, but it's not actually, I can't hand over a ministry necessarily. Right. So, um,

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there's just so much to be said for having a business and the value of, of inviting the family

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into that and then having something to give your, your kids. Um, and then just one last thought

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related to, I mean, real estate and how generous you are with your kids when you're young.

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I was hanging out with his other family

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and they have

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we're talking about college

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and how much they give to their kids

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and all that

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and they're like oh yeah

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like on their own

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they're going to have to pay for it

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they're going to figure it out

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they're going to take out their loans

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and all that

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and there's certainly ways

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that you can

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you can not require enough of your

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of your kids

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and make it too easy for them

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and trust baby

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kind of pacifier action.

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But I would commend setting up your kids well

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to the best of your ability.

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And I think helping them buy a house,

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I mean, it goes to the real estate conversation

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to what if Bitcoin is your hurdle rate

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and is the thing that you're like,

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well, why would I be in real estate

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if I can buy in Bitcoin?

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But what if real estate wasn't an investment?

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What if it was really about having that sanctuary for multi-generational living, multi-generational legacy?

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So I think in that reason, you want real estate.

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The problem is it's monetized as a savings mechanism.

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So it's overpriced, right?

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Right. So I'm curious to hear your guys thoughts about this post, as well as how you weigh the, not the investment value of things like business and real estate, but the intrinsic, non-tangible family value of those kind of things.

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I would just add real quick one of the one of the things like when I when I hear somebody say that

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they're not going to like somebody who's got money who says that they're not going to give their

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the kids are on their own like one of the things that comes to mind is is the the um the instruction

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to fathers not to provoke their children to wrath and I just think like there there's a whole

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generation of of baby boomers and the people who come you know they're people coming behind them

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I don't know who that is, Generation X, whoever.

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But just coming behind them who,

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a lot of the baby boomers don't understand

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the economic realities with currency devaluation

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and what that's done.

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They don't understand those dynamics.

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And so they just assume that,

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oh, well then my kid's experience

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and my grandkids' experience is just like mine.

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And it's like, no.

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I mean, literally all you had to do was buy a house

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at dirt cheap prices and just not be an idiot.

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and you pretty much could be a millionaire.

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That's really true.

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You don't even need a business.

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Yeah, just stick money in the stock market

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and don't be an idiot and you can be a millionaire.

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That's literally what was able to happen

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for a whole generation of people.

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And so to act like, you know, I did this

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and so now you're on your own

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and I'm not giving you anything.

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I just would have issues with that.

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Like that just seems like you're potentially

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beyond how reasonable is it also just like it seems like a real way to you know to to provoke

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your children by you know if they see if they see their dad and their mom like sitting on all this

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money and you know they just recognize like you're not really willing to to help me out obviously

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now again I'm there's there's a hundred ways in which you know you could caveat this and

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situations in which you know the opposite would need to be true like no one debates this but like

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the attitude is kind of what I'm getting at more than anything. Like you, if you are, if you are a

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parent, like one of the ways in which you, one of the things that you're called to do is to embody

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God, God as father, like God is the father from whom every family in heaven and earth is named.

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And so for, for you to take this authority that in, in this, you know, biological reality that

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God has given you, this role that God has given you and to steward it in that way seems completely

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out of touch with how God operates with us. Like he doesn't just, uh, you know, just demand that we

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operate on, on, on our own. Like, in fact, he, that's one of the things he wrestles with us to

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do is to depend on him. Uh, and so again, there's obviously there's ways in which it can go wrong,

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um, that you want, you do want to be careful about, but I just, I think some of the attitude

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that I've heard from a lot of people, it seems like you're, they're missing the mark.

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yeah i think the i think the raising up too is is not just a lump thing like here's a house

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congratulations here's a business congratulations that's not even necessarily what they need they

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may need especially as a young family that's the highest stress for a young family is finances

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yeah and if you can say hey we're gonna you know we're gonna be mom and dad are gonna come watch

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the kids you guys can go on dates and make more babies we're gonna help you with a down payment

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on a house, you know, maybe not the house. We're going to help you by transferring the business to

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you on payments, but we're going to show you how to succeed so you can make those payments. You know,

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that's an example where it can be still discipling, still requiring that level of work and showing up

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in management, which I've said before many times, you know, the parables Jesus gave, it's the good

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manager, the good steward, the good manager, God leaves us his, uh, his garden. God leaves us his,

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um, in fact, one of the parables, you know, how do you treat your workers? He returns for judgment

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and he goes, Oh, look, you've been taking care of my property and you've been treating that you're

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there. You've been managing while you've been treating people well. And for those who didn't,

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they're cut up into pieces and thrown into outer darkness. If you want to look that one up, but,

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But to not just give it is not even what they necessarily need, but to make them empowered to be able to do it.

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Yeah, I had a conversation with an elder in our church a couple weeks ago about this because he is that patriarch who had that vision for his family.

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And he bought a very large property that several of his kids are living on now and even his grandkids.

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And he had some interesting comments.

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I don't remember everything you said, but one thing that did stick out is it doesn't always work out to have a multi-generational property in the long term.

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But that piece of property can definitely be used on the short term as a massive blessing.

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So, for example, one of his grandsons just got married.

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And they're living on the property in, you know, like a, you know, it's kind of like a Puna style starter shack kind of cabin type of situation.

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But like when you can live basically rent free for maybe a year or two or three, like you can save up an enormous amount of money for maybe to build your own house, you know?

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So it's like, it's not, it's, it's, and what is that?

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That's like, it's helping free them up to flourish.

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And I would say that's part of God's creation mandate for us.

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Like we innovate and we improve things in this world to make it so that the next generation doesn't exactly have to like that their work looks a little bit differently.

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And, you know, and as you were talking, the illustration that popped into my head was like, well, like we created plumbing.

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So like, like that, so people didn't have to walk down to a river and spend half the day doing laundry and like washing clothes.

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Like, should we want the next generation to still have to do that?

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Or are we okay with like having plumbing where the water gets like piped up to the house?

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But then, oh, but they're not going to learn how to work.

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We still need to raise our children to be good stewards and work hard and be faithful.

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But that frees them up to like spend a half a day like training their kids or having kids or doing other like higher, more noble tasks.

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And we should celebrate that.

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But for some reason, there's this disconnect, I feel like.

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And it's, again, it's like one of those things, like the first video we were watching, you get shamed.

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Like it's this shameful thing that like, it's so weird.

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But it's like the families would actually work together for each other's flourishing.

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And you're just like, no, that's like, you're a cult, you know.

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And it's like, no, no, actually, you're just doing what God's created us to do.

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and yeah, anyways.

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I got a quick anecdote.

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So I reached out to,

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shout out one-legged Canadians,

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Dave Warren,

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who was a...

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He literally only has one leg.

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Okay.

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I was going to say,

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I need a little bit more explanation

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on the fact of like,

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what is a one-legged Canadian?

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Okay, so,

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and he was a patron.

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I would call him a patron

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for my family

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where we didn't ask, we didn't try.

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We were just, they came alongside us in the church,

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saw what we were doing with our small business.

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No aspirations to open a restaurant.

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We were just there doing community

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and came alongside and said,

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hey, we want to talk to you guys.

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What do you think about opening a shop

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right in the village?

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You know, you have three days to respond.

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And that's Dave.

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So we said yes.

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And this is a good example where they went out,

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they bought this,

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They put a bid down that they're like, only if the Lord wills will we ever get this.

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They got it.

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Over time, they handed off the process to me where I was responsible for building it up,

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for getting the permits, for all this other stuff.

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And in the end, they signed over the rest of the property to us.

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Wow.

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Which, by the way, we still had to come up and pay that thing off $3,000 plus a month.

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So it wasn't like it was a lump sum.

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Here's like a million dollars.

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It was like, here's an opportunity.

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Yeah.

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And if you rise to the occasion, then you can.

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And look, at this point, we own the property outright.

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And I'm working with someone to try and to take over what we did.

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And if God wills, I'll try to be generous in the same way that Dave was generous to me.

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And I just chatted with him yesterday to come out and visit us and take one of my pulpit days.

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And it looks like he's going to do that.

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So he's going to come visit us after a decade.

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But this is something that we can, it's real.

437
00:31:03,476 --> 00:31:08,636
And I want to try to solve a little bit of the demographic crisis right now in America.

438
00:31:09,676 --> 00:31:12,776
I know it's not arithmetic, guys.

439
00:31:12,936 --> 00:31:20,456
But if you're out there and you're afraid of having kids, these kind of opportunities come at you as you have kids, not before, usually.

440
00:31:20,876 --> 00:31:22,676
So start doing righteous deeds.

441
00:31:23,216 --> 00:31:24,556
Start having those kids.

442
00:31:24,976 --> 00:31:28,776
And you'll be surprised there actually are a lot of people out there that want to help you.

443
00:31:28,776 --> 00:31:33,816
And this speaks to the video, how he said, if it isn't your family, find a new family.

444
00:31:33,896 --> 00:31:36,136
I don't think he means abandon your family in the video.

445
00:31:36,356 --> 00:31:38,716
It's like there's still people out there that want to help.

446
00:31:40,136 --> 00:31:46,776
And what is the rare, my little call almost every time we get together, the good steward

447
00:31:46,776 --> 00:31:48,816
is the rarest thing in the world.

448
00:31:48,896 --> 00:31:49,756
It's not real estate.

449
00:31:49,856 --> 00:31:50,516
It's not money.

450
00:31:50,856 --> 00:31:55,056
And if you make yourself into a good steward, I think you'll find out that these kind of

451
00:31:55,056 --> 00:31:58,636
things come your way just by getting out there.

452
00:31:58,776 --> 00:32:13,896
Hmm. It's like the Naval quote. It's not the information or it's not that. Yeah, it's not information that's scarce. It's the stewards of the, it's the stewards that are scarce or the stewards of information that are scarce.

453
00:32:14,356 --> 00:32:19,196
Well, that's, I mean, that's Jesus. I mean, sorry. Sorry, Naval. You know, the labor.

454
00:32:19,536 --> 00:32:22,736
Yeah, he's gay. Yeah, he gets it from Jesus. He borrows it.

455
00:32:23,376 --> 00:32:27,096
Yeah. Naval, we still love to have you in the pod. Go for it. We'll get it at some point.

456
00:32:27,096 --> 00:32:37,516
But speaking of that, speaking of working and of just an opportunity being the thing that we can be called to give to people.

457
00:32:38,336 --> 00:32:40,176
Let me just share this right here.

458
00:32:41,076 --> 00:32:44,076
It is, oh my gosh, my children are doing something.

459
00:32:44,216 --> 00:32:45,676
I don't know what it is, but it is very loud.

460
00:32:45,876 --> 00:32:46,336
Here we go.

461
00:32:47,396 --> 00:32:52,736
My favorite quote outside of the Bible is a quote by Marcus Aurelius.

462
00:32:52,736 --> 00:32:54,736
Marcus Aurelius, one of the five great Caesars.

463
00:32:55,976 --> 00:32:56,296
Right?

464
00:32:57,096 --> 00:33:00,476
And I'm one of the co-founders of the Stoic philosophy.

465
00:33:01,096 --> 00:33:02,716
And he said in 600 BC.

466
00:33:02,796 --> 00:33:04,636
Okay, he did not say this in 600 BC.

467
00:33:04,816 --> 00:33:07,356
His timing is incorrect, but the quote apparently is real.

468
00:33:07,496 --> 00:33:10,596
So just want to preemptively say that.

469
00:33:11,216 --> 00:33:16,696
See, that the impediment to action advances the action.

470
00:33:17,456 --> 00:33:22,056
What stands in the way becomes the way.

471
00:33:22,756 --> 00:33:26,096
In other words, the obstacle is the way.

472
00:33:26,096 --> 00:33:29,656
I just think this is a brilliant quote.

473
00:33:30,736 --> 00:33:36,336
It's a brilliant idea of just thinking about so many of the things that are in your life.

474
00:33:36,716 --> 00:33:39,316
You're like, ah, man, I wish I could just get rid of this thing.

475
00:33:40,356 --> 00:33:48,636
And many times, again, it's almost like there's a God who's just putting these things in your life to help you to grow.

476
00:33:49,276 --> 00:33:52,136
And to help you to learn to just continue to fight harder.

477
00:33:52,136 --> 00:33:56,996
and then and again like there are obviously our times where uh you know you will come up against

478
00:33:56,996 --> 00:34:01,416
things and there'll be something in your life that you're it is it is just like man i just need this

479
00:34:01,416 --> 00:34:07,116
thing to move and you know but the the lesson that you're taking from this is like i'm fighting

480
00:34:07,116 --> 00:34:11,116
against this thing i'm trying i'm trying to push this boulder up the hill it's not working it's

481
00:34:11,116 --> 00:34:14,616
not working but again throughout this process of trying to push this giant boulder up the hill

482
00:34:14,616 --> 00:34:19,096
you're getting stronger you know you're getting stronger you're learning more about you know about

483
00:34:19,096 --> 00:34:23,336
yourself. You're learning more about all these different things. And, uh, and so again, just

484
00:34:23,336 --> 00:34:29,156
this, this reality, it just spoke to me and I just thought it was just such an encouraging and true

485
00:34:29,156 --> 00:34:35,696
thing. I've, I've listened to so many business stories cause it's interesting to me on like the,

486
00:34:35,696 --> 00:34:42,256
how I built this podcast, for instance, and I haven't seen one without the wilderness and without

487
00:34:42,256 --> 00:34:47,036
the dark night of the soul, not even one. And a lot of times the story, like there's one with

488
00:34:47,036 --> 00:34:50,956
Starbucks. I won't take a whole pod to talk about it, but he came to where he was going to lose it,

489
00:34:50,996 --> 00:34:55,896
period. Someone outbid him. Man. And literally out of the blue, you must know this story. Yeah,

490
00:34:56,216 --> 00:35:02,156
it's a good one. Out of the blue, one of the Microsoft founder guys calls him up into his

491
00:35:02,156 --> 00:35:07,056
office. You know, is this all true? What I heard? Guy says, yeah, it's true. Tells him the story.

492
00:35:07,116 --> 00:35:12,276
He says, okay. Walks in the other room, does whatever, makes a phone call. He calls the guy

493
00:35:12,276 --> 00:35:17,476
who had outbid, I can't remember the Starbucks founder's name right at the moment, but he calls

494
00:35:17,476 --> 00:35:21,196
Howard Schultz. Howard Schultz. Yeah, it was Howard Schultz. And the guy who he's talking to

495
00:35:21,196 --> 00:35:26,856
was Bill Gates's dad. Oh yeah. Yeah. So he calls the guy, you know, rich guy to other rich guy,

496
00:35:27,016 --> 00:35:34,936
you're not buying this. You know, he outbid him. He walked into his office, him and Howard Schultz.

497
00:35:35,016 --> 00:35:39,956
So Bill Gates's dad and Howard Schultz walked into the dude's office who had stolen this,

498
00:35:39,956 --> 00:35:43,076
who had stolen this bid from him, like stolen this.

499
00:35:43,076 --> 00:35:44,116
Say, outbid him.

500
00:35:44,196 --> 00:35:44,616
It's fair.

501
00:35:44,736 --> 00:35:45,256
It's the market.

502
00:35:45,456 --> 00:35:45,756
He did not.

503
00:35:45,756 --> 00:35:46,216
Exactly.

504
00:35:46,356 --> 00:35:47,156
Okay, let's be nice.

505
00:35:47,516 --> 00:35:49,676
And so whatever, Bill Gates' dad walked in there and said,

506
00:35:49,936 --> 00:35:51,696
you're not going to buy this.

507
00:35:52,236 --> 00:35:53,956
Looked at him and said, do you understand?

508
00:35:54,176 --> 00:35:56,036
And he goes, yeah, I understand.

509
00:35:56,116 --> 00:35:58,856
Because again, Bill Gates' dad was super influential in Seattle or whatever.

510
00:35:59,136 --> 00:36:01,016
And that was like a $6 million buy.

511
00:36:01,116 --> 00:36:06,476
That's $6 million without that one completely out of the blue interaction.

512
00:36:06,756 --> 00:36:07,276
No Starbucks.

513
00:36:07,276 --> 00:36:12,756
so um no starbucks no other cafes that was the thing that made america have cafes so

514
00:36:12,756 --> 00:36:17,696
uh we can hate on the big doggy all we want but that was the story when they weren't big and and

515
00:36:17,696 --> 00:36:23,716
by the way that's like that's the story and going back to the script to to bible how often is

516
00:36:23,716 --> 00:36:31,236
steadfastness considered like one of the highest uh qualities um and i can't help but think of the

517
00:36:31,236 --> 00:36:36,936
fruits of the spirit end off with self-control which i'm not a greek guy like osh but as i

518
00:36:36,936 --> 00:36:42,716
understand it that can be translated um self-mastery also so men we should be aspiring to

519
00:36:42,716 --> 00:36:48,416
self-mastery so that we can push through when other people fall fall back because dudes like

520
00:36:48,416 --> 00:36:52,076
that guy are watching you don't know they're watching but they're watching and at some point

521
00:36:52,076 --> 00:36:56,636
they'll um they'll come and do the assist yes be a master of your domain

522
00:36:56,636 --> 00:37:04,076
all right we have another one i fell there i still like a little seinfeld oh oh man to those

523
00:37:04,076 --> 00:37:09,136
who have ears let them hear i didn't pick that one up all right we have another one about family

524
00:37:09,136 --> 00:37:14,956
we have another tweet about families from michael foster pastor of a church in ohio author uh one of

525
00:37:14,956 --> 00:37:19,516
the best twitter follows if you're not following him he he does these fantastic super long either

526
00:37:19,516 --> 00:37:34,513
tweets or tweet threads uh that i just really appreciated the last couple years he drops foster fire that right he also a friend he also a friend of the program i spoken out the tgfb at the TGFP conference a couple years ago So here it is right here

527
00:37:35,213 --> 00:37:37,093
I'll just read this.

528
00:37:37,813 --> 00:37:38,832
Or Ash, was this yours?

529
00:37:41,073 --> 00:37:41,933
I mean, it is.

530
00:37:41,953 --> 00:37:42,733
I already read one, though.

531
00:37:43,013 --> 00:37:43,293
Okay.

532
00:37:43,453 --> 00:37:43,673
All right.

533
00:37:43,673 --> 00:37:44,033
I'll read it.

534
00:37:44,073 --> 00:37:44,373
Here we go.

535
00:37:44,893 --> 00:37:47,433
The kids in a big family don't all grow up with the same parents,

536
00:37:47,573 --> 00:37:49,153
even when they share the same mom and dad.

537
00:37:49,733 --> 00:37:51,173
Time is a way of working on people.

538
00:37:51,613 --> 00:37:52,553
Parents aren't exempt.

539
00:37:52,553 --> 00:37:57,493
By the time the youngest arrives, mom and dad are changed, sometimes softer, sometimes harder, sometimes both.

540
00:37:57,893 --> 00:37:58,793
That can help or hurt.

541
00:37:58,953 --> 00:38:00,453
Usually it does a little bit of each.

542
00:38:00,993 --> 00:38:02,013
Our kids came in waves.

543
00:38:02,093 --> 00:38:03,832
I think he's got like seven, seven or eight kids.

544
00:38:04,313 --> 00:38:05,393
Our kids came in waves.

545
00:38:05,493 --> 00:38:07,473
The first three were boys born about two years apart.

546
00:38:07,613 --> 00:38:08,293
That was wave one.

547
00:38:08,493 --> 00:38:10,793
Then came Nicaea, our daughter.

548
00:38:10,933 --> 00:38:11,413
She died.

549
00:38:11,973 --> 00:38:13,093
Her death split the timeline.

550
00:38:13,253 --> 00:38:16,373
It created a silence between the children that we had and the ones that are still to come.

551
00:38:16,893 --> 00:38:18,373
Then to our surprise, another girl.

552
00:38:18,473 --> 00:38:19,533
She began wave two.

553
00:38:20,053 --> 00:38:21,832
After her came Cedar, then Cyprian.

554
00:38:21,832 --> 00:38:28,473
last came the ones we call we thought we were done wave uh serene and fox from our oldest to

555
00:38:28,473 --> 00:38:33,633
our youngest nearly 18 years span the age or span the gap long enough for the for a family to become

556
00:38:33,633 --> 00:38:38,453
a living record each child carries a piece of who we were and we carry the weight of who we've become

557
00:38:38,453 --> 00:38:43,533
because of them in the early years we were wide-eyed and wound tight we didn't we didn't

558
00:38:43,533 --> 00:38:48,273
want to mess it up our kids got our time but the fuel behind it wasn't just love it was fear i'd

559
00:38:48,273 --> 00:38:53,313
play with them for hours, then lie in bed convinced I hadn't done enough. One of my bigger regrets is

560
00:38:53,313 --> 00:38:58,553
how often we spanked. That's how we were taught. It wasn't the only tool we used, but it was the

561
00:38:58,553 --> 00:39:03,373
one always within reach. And while I see strength and loyalty in our older children, I also see

562
00:39:03,373 --> 00:39:08,693
attention in them. I need to control things, a current of anxiety. I can't pretend it isn't

563
00:39:08,693 --> 00:39:12,933
connected to how often we reach for the rod. I've had to tell them more than once when they asked

564
00:39:12,933 --> 00:39:18,133
why the younger kids don't get spanked as much. I had to say it plain, we spanked you too much.

565
00:39:18,273 --> 00:39:19,033
Please forgive us.

566
00:39:19,613 --> 00:39:20,852
Still, a lot went right.

567
00:39:21,013 --> 00:39:23,433
They ran wilding creeks through balls and open fields,

568
00:39:23,553 --> 00:39:25,352
listened to bedtime stories almost every night.

569
00:39:25,973 --> 00:39:27,693
Though not with the orange umbrella, I will say that.

570
00:39:27,753 --> 00:39:28,573
Maybe that was part of the problem.

571
00:39:29,213 --> 00:39:30,513
They were raised in the church.

572
00:39:30,633 --> 00:39:32,053
They learned the Bible and the catechism.

573
00:39:32,713 --> 00:39:35,433
And they had a dad who somehow kept going on five hours of sleep.

574
00:39:35,433 --> 00:39:37,573
I was strong then and stubborn and driven,

575
00:39:37,753 --> 00:39:39,213
but we were young and scared.

576
00:39:39,513 --> 00:39:41,313
That fear shaped more than we saw at the time.

577
00:39:42,213 --> 00:39:44,373
The world splits history between AD and BC.

578
00:39:44,832 --> 00:39:47,073
Our family splits before and after Nicaea.

579
00:39:47,073 --> 00:39:52,233
I said it a lot about her already. So i'll just say this her death broke some something in me

580
00:39:52,233 --> 00:39:54,413
And that break let in something deeper

581
00:39:54,413 --> 00:39:58,593
I learned how to hurt how to sit with sorrow how to hold grief and not try to fix it

582
00:39:58,593 --> 00:40:02,013
And that changed how we raised our children. We grew slower to anger

583
00:40:02,013 --> 00:40:04,793
We didn't stop spanking altogether, but it wasn't the go-to anymore

584
00:40:04,793 --> 00:40:10,953
We started reasoning more taking things away explaining not just reacting and yes, we probably overcorrected

585
00:40:10,953 --> 00:40:12,133
That's what people do

586
00:40:12,133 --> 00:40:16,852
Our younger ones are looser a little messier, but I don't see the same nervous energy in them

587
00:40:16,852 --> 00:40:17,713
They breathe easier.

588
00:40:18,073 --> 00:40:20,593
I'm not as one-on-one attentive as I used to be.

589
00:40:20,713 --> 00:40:21,273
I can't be.

590
00:40:21,713 --> 00:40:24,313
I'm outnumbered, but I found new ways to stay close.

591
00:40:24,613 --> 00:40:27,413
Family dinners, family movie nights, rides to work.

592
00:40:27,673 --> 00:40:31,953
I've traded intensity for steadiness, and something better has grown in its place.

593
00:40:32,433 --> 00:40:35,173
If you age right, you mellow in some places and sharpen in others.

594
00:40:35,693 --> 00:40:37,313
When you're young, everything feels big.

595
00:40:37,713 --> 00:40:40,573
You chase every little thing, but age teaches you what matters.

596
00:40:41,053 --> 00:40:43,393
You see men you once looked up to raise vipers.

597
00:40:43,393 --> 00:40:48,233
You watch good intentions rot under pride and you realize you don't have the bandwidth to do it all

598
00:40:48,233 --> 00:40:51,852
So you start pruning you cut what doesn't bear fruit and you cling to what does

599
00:40:51,852 --> 00:40:56,213
Pareto's principle shows up 20 of what you do brings 80 of the fruit

600
00:40:56,213 --> 00:41:01,433
You learn to keep the main things and let the rest go. That's how you settle down without giving up

601
00:41:01,433 --> 00:41:03,393
That's how you get sharp without becoming brittle

602
00:41:03,393 --> 00:41:08,933
Every good parent carries regret anyone who says otherwise is lying or too proud to know better. Don't trust them

603
00:41:08,933 --> 00:41:12,913
We have regrets. I'll write more later, but we don't let them win

604
00:41:12,913 --> 00:41:16,852
My parents failed me in ways. I forgave them. I will fail my kids

605
00:41:16,852 --> 00:41:21,413
I hope they do the same if not their day will come they'll ask for forgiveness from their own children

606
00:41:21,413 --> 00:41:24,673
Years from now my oldest will tell stories to my youngest stories

607
00:41:24,673 --> 00:41:29,413
The little one never heard and the little one will tell different story or will tell stories back different ones

608
00:41:29,413 --> 00:41:30,773
They're both time capsules

609
00:41:30,773 --> 00:41:34,573
They carry pieces of who I was good and bad light and shadow

610
00:41:34,573 --> 00:41:38,332
But if I keep repenting if I keep leaning into grace, they'll look back with love

611
00:41:38,332 --> 00:41:41,593
No one starts out knowing how to do this. So don't freeze up

612
00:41:41,593 --> 00:41:46,773
your kids don't need pristine parents there's no such thing as the old saying goes god writes

613
00:41:46,773 --> 00:41:51,573
straight with crooked sticks by grace he makes saints out of sinners children so give them what

614
00:41:51,573 --> 00:41:55,873
you've got and keep chasing christ with everything in you ask him to make your efforts count if he

615
00:41:55,873 --> 00:42:00,273
can soak us if he can set a soaked altar on fire he can work through your imperfect parenting

616
00:42:00,273 --> 00:42:04,733
keep going mom and dad you're not alone god is with you and that's enough

617
00:42:04,733 --> 00:42:10,352
dang bro that is that is a good word

618
00:42:10,352 --> 00:42:20,173
oh i i feel like that does describe um you know it describes my oldest pretty well i am i'm super

619
00:42:20,173 --> 00:42:27,173
proud of her and she's uh she's very aware of you know even that even what was described there

620
00:42:27,173 --> 00:42:33,273
how we've changed over time uh this the whole how it's administered method is is a good point

621
00:42:33,273 --> 00:42:37,613
that it's not, well, I mean, this is my point. I don't know if it's his point. It's not exactly

622
00:42:37,613 --> 00:42:43,633
what you do exactly. It's, I think it's about being real and about repenting to your kids

623
00:42:43,633 --> 00:42:48,513
whenever you have to. It doesn't have to be about spanking. It could be about being too harsh,

624
00:42:48,973 --> 00:42:54,273
you know, or, or too lenient. Yeah. Or, or, yeah, that's right. Or too lenient. Or, you know,

625
00:42:54,273 --> 00:42:58,433
we have one who's definitely neurologically just different from the rest. They're all different,

626
00:42:58,433 --> 00:43:03,493
but she's especially different. And I have to tell her when I, when I ask her forgiveness,

627
00:43:03,673 --> 00:43:06,933
you know, I don't want you to be anything different. I want you to be just who you are,

628
00:43:07,013 --> 00:43:13,813
who God made you. Um, and, and I think for me growing in as a dad is also growing in like

629
00:43:13,813 --> 00:43:20,113
sympathy for what it's like to be them, you know? And if I, if I, for instance, if I provoke my child

630
00:43:20,113 --> 00:43:27,413
to, um, to anger, or if I provoke them by not giving them a nap when they needed to have a nap,

631
00:43:27,413 --> 00:43:32,153
and then I took them on a long trip and then I took them to a wedding like yesterday took them

632
00:43:32,153 --> 00:43:36,673
to a wedding which uh then it got rained out so we're all trying to hide under little bushes to

633
00:43:36,673 --> 00:43:41,713
stay out of the rain and then and then I don't show patience to them when we have to walk half

634
00:43:41,713 --> 00:43:47,573
a mile back to the car which yesterday I think I did pretty good actually but I you know okay well

635
00:43:47,573 --> 00:43:53,273
that's another way of provoking them I didn't recognize how difficult it would be to be in

636
00:43:53,273 --> 00:43:58,133
their position and say, well, you still have to obey. Well, it's not so easy though. So, um,

637
00:43:58,332 --> 00:44:03,693
and I also think kids are so, um, they're so much smarter than we give them credit for,

638
00:44:03,773 --> 00:44:10,973
even as babies that they do understand if we explain and if we remain humble and say, um,

639
00:44:11,513 --> 00:44:16,533
you know, I'm sorry, I stole this, uh, this is what happened. This is what I should have done.

640
00:44:16,533 --> 00:44:21,373
they are so able to forgive and able to move on.

641
00:44:21,513 --> 00:44:23,953
You're not destroying them by making mistakes.

642
00:44:24,332 --> 00:44:27,153
But if you're proud, you might be destroying them.

643
00:44:29,733 --> 00:44:34,173
Yeah, just what you just said brings to mind Psalm 103.

644
00:44:35,073 --> 00:44:40,033
And it says this, Psalm 103, verse 10 through, we'll read 10 through 14.

645
00:44:40,033 --> 00:44:43,213
It says, he, God, does not deal with us according to our sins,

646
00:44:43,293 --> 00:44:44,913
nor repay us according to our iniquities.

647
00:44:44,913 --> 00:44:47,073
for as high as the heavens are above the earth.

648
00:44:47,173 --> 00:44:49,533
So great is his steadfast love toward those who fear him.

649
00:44:49,653 --> 00:44:51,453
As far as the East is from the West,

650
00:44:51,533 --> 00:44:53,633
so far does he remove our transgressions from us.

651
00:44:53,993 --> 00:44:56,133
As a father shows compassion to his children.

652
00:44:56,633 --> 00:44:58,933
So the Lord shows compassion to those who fear him

653
00:44:58,933 --> 00:45:00,053
for he knows our frame.

654
00:45:00,513 --> 00:45:01,913
He remembers that we are dust.

655
00:45:02,933 --> 00:45:04,832
And yeah, I just think that is a,

656
00:45:05,053 --> 00:45:08,793
that is just a, such a, just a sobering reality

657
00:45:08,793 --> 00:45:11,493
of just like, there are, there are so many times

658
00:45:11,493 --> 00:45:13,613
where I don't, I like, where I get impatient,

659
00:45:13,613 --> 00:45:15,313
where I'm like, I'm not thinking about their frame.

660
00:45:15,393 --> 00:45:17,993
I'm thinking about, you know, no, you didn't listen.

661
00:45:18,133 --> 00:45:18,852
You didn't do this.

662
00:45:19,352 --> 00:45:21,113
And obviously there are situations

663
00:45:21,113 --> 00:45:23,613
with that, that is the correct approach.

664
00:45:23,793 --> 00:45:25,832
But there's other times, again, to your point

665
00:45:25,832 --> 00:45:27,513
where like, actually upon reflection,

666
00:45:27,513 --> 00:45:30,113
I did not, I didn't put them,

667
00:45:30,193 --> 00:45:31,433
I didn't set them up to succeed.

668
00:45:31,633 --> 00:45:35,193
I set them up to, and I required things of them

669
00:45:35,193 --> 00:45:38,493
that aren't reasonable for a four-year-old

670
00:45:38,493 --> 00:45:40,933
when I'm a 34-year-old or 37-year-old man.

671
00:45:41,073 --> 00:45:42,433
And sometimes I have problems.

672
00:45:42,613 --> 00:45:43,453
I have issues.

673
00:45:43,613 --> 00:45:48,493
you know, maintaining that standard. And so I think there's a lot of wisdom in what you're saying,

674
00:45:48,593 --> 00:45:55,653
Matt. So I found this post and then shared it with my wife this morning. She read it and

675
00:45:55,653 --> 00:46:00,633
I think it, I don't know which part of it brought her to tears, but she had a little bit of

676
00:46:00,633 --> 00:46:07,533
tears in her eyes. And we reflected a bit on this idea of storytelling. And when you have a lot of

677
00:46:07,533 --> 00:46:15,453
kids so our 18 year old and our so we started our family in hawaii and so the olders have memories

678
00:46:15,453 --> 00:46:22,473
of hawaii right and and we're realizing we have a almost six month old now and then an 18 year old

679
00:46:22,473 --> 00:46:29,573
that's going to uh is moving out to go to school and so they're gonna experience different things

680
00:46:29,573 --> 00:46:35,493
they're gonna have different stories to tell and my wife and i really are different people than we

681
00:46:35,493 --> 00:46:41,673
were when we were like 23 and 24 year old newlywed church planters. Like it's just a different world.

682
00:46:42,673 --> 00:46:49,332
And, and each of our kids has a name that has a deep meaning that speaks to what God was teaching

683
00:46:49,332 --> 00:46:55,093
us and doing in our life at the time. And, uh, a, just the tradition and rhythm that we have as a

684
00:46:55,093 --> 00:47:02,033
family is every, every year on their birthday, we tell the story of their birth and of their name.

685
00:47:02,033 --> 00:47:09,013
and and we we speak that truth and that reality into them that god has a purpose in your life

686
00:47:09,013 --> 00:47:16,013
that that you you are a purposeful part of our life and and then but all the siblings get to hear

687
00:47:16,013 --> 00:47:23,613
it they know each of the stories um so yeah i just i think storytelling is so important

688
00:47:23,613 --> 00:47:34,113
and it's kind of like just one of those um like the the post just has so many elements that connect

689
00:47:34,113 --> 00:47:41,593
to the to the deeper things in life i i feel like yeah it just is a lot more to chew on

690
00:47:41,593 --> 00:47:44,453
and reflect on but i'm i'm definitely thankful for it

691
00:47:44,453 --> 00:47:48,852
I think the thing that hit

692
00:47:48,852 --> 00:47:49,773
I mean

693
00:47:49,773 --> 00:47:55,053
I think his main point is

694
00:47:55,053 --> 00:47:58,713
stay humble

695
00:47:58,713 --> 00:48:00,313
I think that's probably

696
00:48:00,313 --> 00:48:02,593
stay humble

697
00:48:02,593 --> 00:48:03,733
stack kids

698
00:48:03,733 --> 00:48:06,933
yeah stay humble stack kids

699
00:48:06,933 --> 00:48:08,633
but I would say

700
00:48:08,633 --> 00:48:11,053
I think I'd like to pass on

701
00:48:11,053 --> 00:48:12,893
a nugget of wisdom looking back

702
00:48:12,893 --> 00:48:21,352
you know as i ponder what he wrote so i have a 19 almost 20 year old and the youngest is six

703
00:48:21,352 --> 00:48:30,613
and if i could encourage a young father today it's easy as dads to compartmentalize things and like

704
00:48:30,613 --> 00:48:40,113
and and to pick areas of life that that we didn't uh like that didn't go well for us when we were

705
00:48:40,113 --> 00:48:47,473
growing up like like i wasn't disciplined enough when i was a kid and you know and you suffer

706
00:48:47,473 --> 00:48:51,393
because of that for decades right because you didn't learn a lot of lessons you should have

707
00:48:51,393 --> 00:48:56,093
and you didn't you weren't trained maybe the way you completely should have been and so we try to

708
00:48:56,093 --> 00:49:01,073
focus on oh i'm going to make sure my kids are disciplined it's like a garden like their kids

709
00:49:01,073 --> 00:49:06,233
are like gardens and that's like laser focusing on all their weeds you know and going around always

710
00:49:06,233 --> 00:49:12,013
making sure that you're super diligent to sniff out and pluck those weeds up, which would be like

711
00:49:12,013 --> 00:49:19,253
the spanking. But at the end of the day, it's all a balance. We have to love our kids.

712
00:49:20,313 --> 00:49:28,173
And if I had advice to pass on, it would be like, love your kids tangibly with time as much as

713
00:49:28,173 --> 00:49:35,073
possible from the earliest age possible all the way until they're out of your house. And to not

714
00:49:35,073 --> 00:49:41,513
think that it only matters when they're older and wiser and you can have deep conversations

715
00:49:41,513 --> 00:49:41,893
with them.

716
00:49:42,133 --> 00:49:45,073
It's extremely important even when they're young.

717
00:49:45,832 --> 00:49:52,973
So I would just say those disciplines probably wouldn't have been so frequent as they were

718
00:49:52,973 --> 00:49:59,633
if we were more faithful or if I was more faithful when I was first a father.

719
00:50:00,193 --> 00:50:04,453
Spending more time with my children, leading them in devotions more faithfully.

720
00:50:05,073 --> 00:50:21,433
Um, yeah. And there's nothing at the end of the day, there's nothing that, that, um, you can't, um, nothing, um, yeah, nothing can replace just the time spent with them.

721
00:50:21,433 --> 00:50:34,733
It's like, like it's, it's really that important. So like do whatever you can to spend time with each of your kids and pour into them and disciple them. And, um, and I think that that really helps balance everything else out.

722
00:50:35,073 --> 00:50:36,893
You shouldn't have to discipline as much,

723
00:50:36,993 --> 00:50:39,893
and there should be a deep affection from each of your kids,

724
00:50:40,493 --> 00:50:41,613
you know, if things are healthy.

725
00:50:41,613 --> 00:50:48,553
And, yeah, and be humble in front of your kids

726
00:50:48,553 --> 00:50:51,313
and ask for forgiveness as you realize these things.

727
00:50:55,873 --> 00:50:58,393
Yeah, they can really understand what's going on.

728
00:50:58,513 --> 00:50:59,913
Sorry, Jordan, you started, but you're muted.

729
00:50:59,913 --> 00:51:05,352
I'll give you an example

730
00:51:05,352 --> 00:51:08,913
I lay down with my kids most nights

731
00:51:08,913 --> 00:51:10,633
And let them all take the baby

732
00:51:10,633 --> 00:51:13,073
And so many times

733
00:51:13,073 --> 00:51:15,673
I've got work, I want to pound out maybe another hour or two of work

734
00:51:15,673 --> 00:51:16,453
Before I go to bed

735
00:51:16,453 --> 00:51:18,832
And one of them will say, can you lay with me tonight

736
00:51:18,832 --> 00:51:21,373
And a lot of times when I take that time

737
00:51:21,373 --> 00:51:24,093
They actually have something they're thinking about

738
00:51:24,093 --> 00:51:26,593
Oftentimes related to the Lord even

739
00:51:26,593 --> 00:51:28,013
Or something that happened earlier

740
00:51:28,013 --> 00:51:38,773
or they'll say things to the point of this tweet about, you love me, and that's why you correct me, and that's why you discipline me.

741
00:51:38,813 --> 00:51:41,993
And if you didn't love me, then you wouldn't do that.

742
00:51:42,273 --> 00:51:51,553
And little things like that, that's like it was in their mind, and they want me to lay next to them and talk about it for a little bit, even if it was five or ten minutes.

743
00:51:51,553 --> 00:52:12,713
And so just to encourage myself as well as anyone listening, they are really little people. I mean, they're little full-orbed people. They're not like a sub-adult. They're a child. They have all the emotions. Maybe intellectually, they're not grown, but they have all the intellect too.

744
00:52:12,713 --> 00:52:20,753
so yeah it's powerful um it's powerful to think about just be be honest be real repent probably

745
00:52:20,753 --> 00:52:27,493
almost every day you know to your child that'll keep you humble too and uh and i'm i'm enjoying

746
00:52:27,493 --> 00:52:32,053
my sixth more than i enjoyed my first not because she's better but just because i've grown to

747
00:52:32,053 --> 00:52:40,613
enjoy children more too so yeah there's like i've had that realization where something like that

748
00:52:40,613 --> 00:52:47,273
happens where you know i'm like they're asking for one thing but they they want something different

749
00:52:47,273 --> 00:52:52,073
like they're not asking for the thing that they actually want and it's like okay dude yeah it's

750
00:52:52,073 --> 00:52:57,113
because they're four years old or five years old like they they don't know you know they're not

751
00:52:57,113 --> 00:53:01,293
going to lay out for you the whole case of like what they're thinking so you you have to kind of

752
00:53:01,293 --> 00:53:06,393
you have to do the work you know in your on your part of just being like all right is there something

753
00:53:06,393 --> 00:53:11,213
more here. And like, I was, I can't remember who was, I think it was, it might've been Michael

754
00:53:11,213 --> 00:53:16,293
yesterday too. He's like, if, if any of your kids is saying, dad, dad, look at this, dad, look,

755
00:53:16,832 --> 00:53:20,993
you probably better look. And it was just one of those things where I was like, yeah, okay.

756
00:53:21,332 --> 00:53:25,313
You have to kind of take, you have to let them come to us on their own terms.

757
00:53:26,173 --> 00:53:31,073
And by virtue of doing that, we're going to, we might see like by virtue of trusting to go there,

758
00:53:31,073 --> 00:53:36,793
you're going to see. It's like the faith proceeds, proceeds sight in this example.

759
00:53:37,593 --> 00:53:42,053
It's not that the game that they want to play, it's not that they really actually want to play

760
00:53:42,053 --> 00:53:47,852
it that much versus they actually just want to be with you and play it with you. They want to do

761
00:53:47,852 --> 00:53:53,273
anything with you. But yeah, it's easy for us. Like we can be a little bit blockheaded at times,

762
00:53:53,373 --> 00:53:58,573
occasionally. Blockheaded. Occasionally. That's what Moses is telling me.

763
00:53:58,573 --> 00:54:03,852
Yeah, every day.

764
00:54:04,553 --> 00:54:09,753
I think this kind of hyperlinks over to the legacy thing earlier too,

765
00:54:09,852 --> 00:54:12,813
because it's like, I think my folks, to give you an example,

766
00:54:12,973 --> 00:54:16,193
set a pretty good example in front of me in terms of how they treated one another,

767
00:54:16,313 --> 00:54:18,713
in terms of like steady Christian faith.

768
00:54:19,133 --> 00:54:21,073
But I don't feel like I got the theology,

769
00:54:21,073 --> 00:54:24,433
and I don't feel like I understood what they were doing, you know?

770
00:54:24,433 --> 00:54:38,173
And so I think part of that, you know, one caveat I'll throw into that legacy thing is I don't think everybody is built to be a business owner. I could be wrong, but I think that there's a certain stresses there that is not for everybody.

771
00:54:38,173 --> 00:54:51,613
Yeah. But having but still, if I can do more things with my kids side by side or have them help me as they get older with things or, you know, our kid, we operate short term rentals, which we use for hospitality.

772
00:54:51,613 --> 00:54:56,352
also. My kids clean. They know how to, they know how to, they're, they're really involved in,

773
00:54:56,433 --> 00:55:02,073
in that, you know, um, I, I pray that I'll be helping my son build things and fix things,

774
00:55:02,073 --> 00:55:08,713
uh, as, as he continues to grow side by side that is not so abstract, but it's something where they

775
00:55:08,713 --> 00:55:14,573
can see, Oh, I could see how this would be me when I'm a big daddy, you know, or a dad, you're so

776
00:55:14,573 --> 00:55:18,253
strong. Yeah, I'm strong. Guess what? I think you're even going to be stronger than me. You

777
00:55:18,253 --> 00:55:24,553
know, um, just, just things that are, um, related to the legacy and that, and that includes,

778
00:55:24,553 --> 00:55:29,393
um, you know, bookkeeping and tax preparation and things like that, that are sort of abstract

779
00:55:29,393 --> 00:55:30,113
when you're young.

780
00:55:30,673 --> 00:55:34,352
But, um, yeah, just trying to say those things hyperlink together.

781
00:55:34,352 --> 00:55:39,533
How can they see your example and follow it rather than just dad provides?

782
00:55:39,633 --> 00:55:41,053
That's all I know, you know?

783
00:55:42,433 --> 00:55:42,873
Yeah.

784
00:55:43,653 --> 00:55:45,633
Um, all right.

785
00:55:45,693 --> 00:55:46,753
Well, I'm just trying to think.

786
00:55:46,753 --> 00:55:48,013
Asha's got 10 more minutes.

787
00:55:48,453 --> 00:55:50,433
I'm just trying to think where should we go here.

788
00:55:50,593 --> 00:55:52,913
Do we want to, I mean, we've already been going for about an hour.

789
00:55:53,073 --> 00:55:56,332
Do we want to, Matt, you want to save the Schellenberger stuff,

790
00:55:56,613 --> 00:55:58,233
the homelessness stuff for the next one maybe?

791
00:55:59,013 --> 00:55:59,633
Yeah, no problem.

792
00:55:59,893 --> 00:56:00,313
All right, cool.

793
00:56:00,433 --> 00:56:02,533
We'll do one closing one here.

794
00:56:03,213 --> 00:56:05,053
Now it's Zinn and Epstein last.

795
00:56:05,293 --> 00:56:07,573
Well, way to bury the lead.

796
00:56:07,693 --> 00:56:08,332
Goodness gracious.

797
00:56:08,533 --> 00:56:21,449
Yeah so we won go Zinn We save that one But we will do you know we spend a little time on some Epstein Okay all it So we just found out yesterday That apparently guys Listen no big deal JK LOL

798
00:56:21,449 --> 00:56:23,269
There actually was no

799
00:56:23,269 --> 00:56:25,289
There was no

800
00:56:25,289 --> 00:56:26,329
Nothing really

801
00:56:26,329 --> 00:56:28,589
Epstein wasn't trafficking kids for anybody

802
00:56:28,589 --> 00:56:29,769
Just

803
00:56:29,769 --> 00:56:32,429
It was all just a big misunderstanding

804
00:56:32,429 --> 00:56:33,809
For the last seven years

805
00:56:33,809 --> 00:56:34,789
No big deal

806
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:37,249
The tweet that we have here

807
00:56:37,249 --> 00:56:38,189
Comes from our friend

808
00:56:38,189 --> 00:56:38,949
Friend of the program

809
00:56:38,949 --> 00:56:39,689
Sovereign Bra

810
00:56:39,689 --> 00:56:41,629
I need to get him on here at some point.

811
00:56:42,149 --> 00:56:43,209
He's a real good dude.

812
00:56:43,469 --> 00:56:45,049
But he basically shared this.

813
00:56:45,869 --> 00:56:47,309
Breaking Department of Justice.

814
00:56:47,549 --> 00:56:49,849
Considered Jeffrey Epstein case now closed.

815
00:56:50,369 --> 00:56:52,009
No further documents to be released.

816
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:55,629
To which the Sovereign Brah remarks, wow.

817
00:56:56,149 --> 00:56:59,269
And that is definitely, I mean, it is just staggering.

818
00:56:59,969 --> 00:57:01,909
The level of things, I mean, just the other day,

819
00:57:02,229 --> 00:57:06,769
a video purportedly outside of Jeffrey Epstein's cell was released.

820
00:57:07,749 --> 00:57:11,149
Ironically, somehow they didn't think this was going to be caught.

821
00:57:11,509 --> 00:57:14,689
One minute of footage is removed from that video.

822
00:57:16,209 --> 00:57:17,989
Yeah, I don't know what just happened, guys.

823
00:57:18,109 --> 00:57:18,689
Sorry about that.

824
00:57:18,909 --> 00:57:20,649
But yeah, so we're talking about Epstein.

825
00:57:20,849 --> 00:57:26,329
We're talking about the fact that apparently this was all the last seven years of Epstein stuff has been totally in vain.

826
00:57:26,429 --> 00:57:27,589
They're really psyched.

827
00:57:27,709 --> 00:57:31,909
There wasn't actually any trafficking of children for anybody going on.

828
00:57:32,289 --> 00:57:35,329
We don't know why Ghislaine Maxwell is in prison.

829
00:57:35,329 --> 00:57:37,309
And I mean, just it's all a big mystery to it.

830
00:57:37,409 --> 00:57:37,629
It was long.

831
00:57:37,709 --> 00:57:38,489
Nothing to see here.

832
00:57:38,609 --> 00:57:39,309
Nothing to see here.

833
00:57:39,409 --> 00:57:41,129
Not droids that you're looking for.

834
00:57:41,429 --> 00:57:41,789
Exactly.

835
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:46,309
Ash was mentioning the fact that Trump was in a meeting today.

836
00:57:46,449 --> 00:57:48,549
Somebody brought it up, asked him a question.

837
00:57:49,169 --> 00:57:52,689
And Trump was like, are we really still talking about Epstein?

838
00:57:52,849 --> 00:57:55,069
This guy, you know, he's not a good guy.

839
00:57:55,529 --> 00:57:55,749
Why?

840
00:57:55,889 --> 00:57:56,869
You know, what's the big deal?

841
00:57:57,649 --> 00:57:58,769
Why are we talking about this?

842
00:57:58,809 --> 00:57:59,689
Let me see if I can show this.

843
00:57:59,689 --> 00:57:59,889
Yeah.

844
00:58:00,029 --> 00:58:02,949
And then Pam Bondi said, oh, the missing minute.

845
00:58:03,649 --> 00:58:05,229
Every video has that.

846
00:58:05,329 --> 00:58:06,729
It's something to do with the clocks.

847
00:58:06,969 --> 00:58:09,189
We'll show you how that is normal.

848
00:58:11,029 --> 00:58:11,929
So, wait.

849
00:58:12,189 --> 00:58:13,589
Well, the jury's still out on that one.

850
00:58:13,849 --> 00:58:14,429
Yeah, here we go.

851
00:58:14,649 --> 00:58:15,409
We'll see this.

852
00:58:15,469 --> 00:58:18,249
One of the biggest ones is whether he ever worked

853
00:58:18,249 --> 00:58:21,469
for an American or foreign intelligence agency.

854
00:58:22,189 --> 00:58:25,909
The former labor secretary, who was Miami U.S. Attorney,

855
00:58:27,169 --> 00:58:31,189
Alex Costa, he allegedly said that he did work for an intelligence agency.

856
00:58:31,709 --> 00:58:33,709
So, could you resolve whether or not he did?

857
00:58:33,709 --> 00:58:37,769
And also, can you say why there was a minute missing from the jailhouse tape on the day?

858
00:58:37,909 --> 00:58:38,549
Yeah, sure.

859
00:58:38,689 --> 00:58:40,109
Did I just say so?

860
00:58:41,329 --> 00:58:43,809
Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein?

861
00:58:44,189 --> 00:58:46,289
This guy's been talked about for years.

862
00:58:46,749 --> 00:58:47,489
This is Eurocringe.

863
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:48,129
I'm sorry.

864
00:58:48,489 --> 00:58:49,689
We have this.

865
00:58:49,809 --> 00:58:50,829
We have all of the things.

866
00:58:51,869 --> 00:58:54,789
And are people still talking about this guy, this creep?

867
00:58:55,949 --> 00:58:56,549
That is.

868
00:58:56,749 --> 00:58:58,669
They're talking about the lack of prosecutions.

869
00:58:58,809 --> 00:59:01,309
You want to waste the time and you feel like answering?

870
00:59:01,369 --> 00:59:02,529
I don't mind answering.

871
00:59:02,529 --> 00:59:12,189
I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question on Epstein at a time like this where we're having some of the greatest success and also tragedy with what happened.

872
00:59:12,389 --> 00:59:12,809
Good catch.

873
00:59:12,909 --> 00:59:15,869
It just seems like a desecration.

874
00:59:16,089 --> 00:59:17,049
But you go ahead.

875
00:59:17,529 --> 00:59:17,709
Sure.

876
00:59:17,889 --> 00:59:18,149
Sure.

877
00:59:18,289 --> 00:59:28,769
First, to back up on that, in February, I did an interview on Fox, and it's been getting a lot of attention because I said I was asked a question about the client list.

878
00:59:28,769 --> 00:59:37,189
And my response was, it's sitting on my desk to be reviewed, meaning the file along with

879
00:59:37,189 --> 00:59:40,569
the JFK, MLK files as well.

880
00:59:40,749 --> 00:59:42,029
That's what I meant by that.

881
00:59:42,489 --> 00:59:48,329
Also to the tens of thousands of video, they turned out to be child porn downloaded by that

882
00:59:48,329 --> 00:59:49,869
disgusting Jeffrey Epstein.

883
00:59:50,449 --> 00:59:51,869
Child porn is what they were.

884
00:59:52,029 --> 00:59:53,149
Never going to be released.

885
00:59:53,329 --> 00:59:54,729
Never going to see the light of day.

886
00:59:55,029 --> 00:59:58,169
To him being an agent, I have no knowledge about that.

887
00:59:58,169 --> 00:59:59,829
We can get back to you on that.

888
00:59:59,949 --> 01:00:07,589
And the minute missing from the video, we released the video showing definitively the

889
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:15,989
video was not conclusive, but the evidence prior to it was showing he committed suicide.

890
01:00:16,509 --> 01:00:19,349
And what was on that, there was a minute that was off the counter.

891
01:00:19,629 --> 01:00:25,689
And what we learned from Bureau of Prisons was every year, every night, they redo that

892
01:00:25,689 --> 01:00:25,929
video.

893
01:00:25,929 --> 01:00:27,249
It was old from like 1999.

894
01:00:27,249 --> 01:00:33,829
so every night the video is reset and every night should have the same minute missing so we're

895
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:38,089
looking for that video to release that as well showing that a minute is missing every night

896
01:00:38,089 --> 01:00:46,909
yeah so that's that's one of these things that's what they're deciding to go with uh i mean just

897
01:00:46,909 --> 01:00:50,989
absolutely staggering that you're gonna try to gaslight people with this we know that epstein

898
01:00:50,989 --> 01:00:55,369
had cameras in his home in New York City.

899
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:57,249
Cameras all throughout this thing.

900
01:00:57,469 --> 01:00:58,989
A bunch of people have testified to it.

901
01:00:59,209 --> 01:01:02,769
Bunch of women who were abused, trafficked,

902
01:01:03,029 --> 01:01:06,789
including one of them, Virginia Jufri,

903
01:01:06,909 --> 01:01:08,489
or however you pronounce her last name,

904
01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:12,229
who just died, was killed a couple months ago.

905
01:01:13,089 --> 01:01:15,289
Again, just the whole crazy thing.

906
01:01:15,569 --> 01:01:18,949
This is just a really weird angle to go on this one,

907
01:01:18,949 --> 01:01:25,649
especially when you know that Ghislaine Maxwell's dad was a, I mean, very likely was an agent for

908
01:01:25,649 --> 01:01:31,549
the nation of Israel and did, did suffer that. He was buried in Israel, you know, had, had a whole

909
01:01:31,549 --> 01:01:35,429
lot of things. He died under suspicious circumstances as well, fell off of a yacht.

910
01:01:36,389 --> 01:01:42,909
Again, lots, lots of really weird things going on. And so just to try to act like this is just

911
01:01:42,909 --> 01:01:49,549
going to go away out of nowhere when this is a humongous part of Trump's, I would say a huge

912
01:01:49,549 --> 01:01:55,849
part of his support, but a lot of his supporters were, you know, really wanted to know more about

913
01:01:55,849 --> 01:02:02,669
this and to have it kind of just hushed up and, you know, put away in the way that it has been,

914
01:02:03,149 --> 01:02:09,449
especially the timing of this is super suspicious. It's just a really, really weird thing. And I

915
01:02:09,449 --> 01:02:11,469
would argue, and I'm sure some of you guys

916
01:02:11,469 --> 01:02:13,449
would agree with me, it's going

917
01:02:13,449 --> 01:02:15,489
to, the effect that this is

918
01:02:15,489 --> 01:02:17,409
going to have and this has on people's

919
01:02:17,409 --> 01:02:19,329
trust, even people who voted

920
01:02:19,329 --> 01:02:20,769
for Trump are

921
01:02:20,769 --> 01:02:22,969
aligned with him

922
01:02:22,969 --> 01:02:25,269
ideologically.

923
01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:27,269
Their willingness to trust him

924
01:02:27,269 --> 01:02:29,349
when this is kind of the way things

925
01:02:29,349 --> 01:02:31,409
have gone down, it's

926
01:02:31,409 --> 01:02:32,709
not going to do him any favors.

927
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:35,509
So, yeah, just the whole wild

928
01:02:35,509 --> 01:02:37,129
thing. How much of

929
01:02:37,129 --> 01:02:39,149
Cash's support was due to that also?

930
01:02:39,449 --> 01:02:41,829
Well, there's a whole weird thing about that.

931
01:02:41,949 --> 01:02:45,869
Kash Patel, his girlfriend is like 23 years younger than he is.

932
01:02:45,949 --> 01:02:48,269
And she's also from Israel.

933
01:02:49,229 --> 01:02:56,369
And so, again, just like this, Israel has this history of basically putting people around.

934
01:02:57,309 --> 01:02:58,229
In a way, it's all spies.

935
01:02:58,349 --> 01:02:59,409
Like spies, this is what they do.

936
01:02:59,469 --> 01:03:04,169
They get next to people who are influential in order to steer them in certain directions and stuff.

937
01:03:04,249 --> 01:03:08,609
And so, again, just a whole, just a whole weird, whole bunch of weird stuff going on here.

938
01:03:09,449 --> 01:03:14,109
I feel like I put a post up there that I responded to.

939
01:03:14,169 --> 01:03:15,349
I don't know if you want to pull that one up,

940
01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:18,589
but it has to do with C.S. Lewis's Space Trilogy.

941
01:03:18,789 --> 01:03:19,889
Have you guys read that one?

942
01:03:21,449 --> 01:03:24,629
So the third one takes place on Earth,

943
01:03:25,429 --> 01:03:29,229
and it has to do with that the scientists and politicians

944
01:03:29,229 --> 01:03:31,569
are literally interacting with demons.

945
01:03:32,829 --> 01:03:38,389
And so my post is like, okay, the theory that's being presented to us is,

946
01:03:38,389 --> 01:03:44,349
for Epstein, it was just the love of the game. It wasn't money. It wasn't influence. It wasn't

947
01:03:44,349 --> 01:03:50,689
that he was an agent. He just loved that, you know, pervert game. And, uh, so I present an

948
01:03:50,689 --> 01:03:58,289
alternate, which is people literally acting with demons theory. Um, it's, it's, which is, uh,

949
01:03:58,669 --> 01:04:02,869
you know, I'm too lazy to change the meme. I just posted on there. It says scientists, but

950
01:04:02,869 --> 01:04:08,209
someone else made that one. This book is getting off to a slow start, which it does get off to a

951
01:04:08,209 --> 01:04:13,269
slow start compared to the other parts of the trilogy and then by the end you have uh you know

952
01:04:13,269 --> 01:04:19,629
um merlin coming back from the ancient past and like sicking animals on all the politicians and

953
01:04:19,629 --> 01:04:26,369
all this really awesome c.s lewis stuff um but it had but but within it it's like they're literally

954
01:04:26,369 --> 01:04:30,689
in the scientists and the leaders are literally interacting with the spirit realm so there's

955
01:04:30,689 --> 01:04:37,409
another theory just to put out there you guys and um just as a sympathetic human being it's really

956
01:04:37,409 --> 01:04:41,529
like, let's just say that everything they said was true. Turns out there was no list,

957
01:04:41,649 --> 01:04:48,629
turns out such and such. Like, I don't appreciate being spoken to as if we should just, oh,

958
01:04:49,029 --> 01:04:53,489
I thought there was one. How weird. There isn't one after all. Let me go on with my life.

959
01:04:53,889 --> 01:04:59,669
You know, there needs to be a little bit more like, I understand why you would be so surprised

960
01:04:59,669 --> 01:05:04,409
about this. And let me show you everything that's possible to show you. And let me bring in a

961
01:05:04,409 --> 01:05:10,369
separate, you know, investigator to also confirm like what we've done, you know, something to at

962
01:05:10,369 --> 01:05:16,709
least let us know that you understand why we would be pretty suspicious. And instead of that,

963
01:05:16,709 --> 01:05:21,529
there's not even, there's not even the courtesy of. They're not, they're not respectful levels

964
01:05:21,529 --> 01:05:31,029
of lies. Like they're, it's, it's a dishonoring to, to us to lie at such a, yeah. Yeah. We don't

965
01:05:31,029 --> 01:05:35,249
know where his money comes from. We don't know why he got special treatment when he actually got

966
01:05:35,249 --> 01:05:42,009
arrested and convicted of, you know, sex crimes earlier when he lived in Miami. He was able to,

967
01:05:42,089 --> 01:05:47,789
like, come and go. You know, just had, he had literally women coming and going when he was in

968
01:05:47,789 --> 01:05:52,649
prison. Like, there's all kinds of special treatment that he got that, again, we just don't

969
01:05:52,649 --> 01:05:56,629
have any way to account for why things happened. There were, like, judgments that were given

970
01:05:56,629 --> 01:05:59,009
that just were totally off the wall.

971
01:05:59,289 --> 01:06:01,829
And so, again, all of these things are pointing to intelligence,

972
01:06:02,529 --> 01:06:05,749
like to him being him heading up some sort of intelligence honeypot.

973
01:06:06,489 --> 01:06:09,769
And now we're just going to hand wave that for whatever reason,

974
01:06:09,849 --> 01:06:12,649
whether it's got to do with the names that would go down.

975
01:06:13,929 --> 01:06:18,549
Again, just the complete 180 from Trump and from Patel.

976
01:06:18,929 --> 01:06:20,389
Like Patel seems like scared.

977
01:06:20,729 --> 01:06:23,029
That's what I've kind of seen some interviews with him.

978
01:06:23,029 --> 01:06:31,389
He's just like a totally different person now than he was, you know, in the months leading up before he was ever affiliated with the administration and stuff.

979
01:06:32,649 --> 01:06:35,849
It's just really a weird, really weird situation.

980
01:06:36,169 --> 01:06:43,949
And so what I wonder is how does Elon Musk have special access?

981
01:06:44,469 --> 01:06:49,729
So he keeps throwing out, well, Trump's on the Epstein client list.

982
01:06:49,789 --> 01:06:51,189
That's why we're not going to see it.

983
01:06:51,189 --> 01:06:56,609
And of course that came out when the big hubblub breakup that they had.

984
01:06:57,209 --> 01:07:03,609
And then Musk, I think, deleted that tweet and apologized or said, I spoke rashly.

985
01:07:04,789 --> 01:07:07,909
He recently posted, I think, I saw one about Steve Bannon.

986
01:07:08,269 --> 01:07:09,829
He's like, Steve Bannon's on the list.

987
01:07:10,389 --> 01:07:14,009
And then in another interview, he says Reid Hoffman's on the list.

988
01:07:15,229 --> 01:07:16,429
I just want to read.

989
01:07:16,429 --> 01:07:30,529
The richest man in the world has access or is just whatever, just likes talking crap about people and is lying through his teeth to shame these ultra-wealthy, powerful people.

990
01:07:30,749 --> 01:07:33,049
Like literally the most powerful man in the world.

991
01:07:33,169 --> 01:07:34,029
Oh, yeah, he's on the list.

992
01:07:34,709 --> 01:07:35,569
A fellow billionaire.

993
01:07:35,829 --> 01:07:37,069
Oh, yeah, he's on the list.

994
01:07:37,589 --> 01:07:38,129
Steve Bannon.

995
01:07:38,509 --> 01:07:38,869
Yep.

996
01:07:39,729 --> 01:07:40,609
Where's that coming from?

997
01:07:40,749 --> 01:07:43,829
Elon is a prolific vibe pedo tweeter.

998
01:07:44,209 --> 01:07:45,109
He's impressive.

999
01:07:45,749 --> 01:07:46,849
Very few like him.

1000
01:07:47,689 --> 01:07:53,089
And then I saw recently Melinda Gates actually explicitly said

1001
01:07:53,089 --> 01:07:56,669
that that relationship was part of their divorce.

1002
01:07:57,129 --> 01:07:58,809
That was an old interview too.

1003
01:07:59,149 --> 01:07:59,349
Yeah.

1004
01:07:59,509 --> 01:07:59,849
Yeah.

1005
01:08:00,369 --> 01:08:03,669
Yeah, and that's, I mean, again, to walk away, to walk away.

1006
01:08:03,689 --> 01:08:05,209
Now, again, she became a gazillionaire,

1007
01:08:05,329 --> 01:08:08,149
but a multi-multi-multi-billionaire as a result of divorcing.

1008
01:08:08,309 --> 01:08:14,189
But just to walk away from being married to one of the richest five people on earth,

1009
01:08:14,189 --> 01:08:16,549
not just something you're probably going to do

1010
01:08:16,549 --> 01:08:17,369
just on the lark.

1011
01:08:18,249 --> 01:08:20,509
Again, she's also incentivized to keep quiet

1012
01:08:20,509 --> 01:08:22,589
to a certain degree, but the fact

1013
01:08:22,589 --> 01:08:24,429
that she's willing to, and the fact that she would

1014
01:08:24,429 --> 01:08:26,589
mention that Epstein is part

1015
01:08:26,589 --> 01:08:27,849
of why is just

1016
01:08:27,849 --> 01:08:30,569
bonkers. But again, these are not the

1017
01:08:30,569 --> 01:08:31,649
pedos you're looking for.

1018
01:08:32,189 --> 01:08:34,429
Don't worry about that. We're good.

1019
01:08:34,469 --> 01:08:35,089
Don't ask questions.

1020
01:08:35,929 --> 01:08:38,169
I think the most concerning

1021
01:08:38,169 --> 01:08:40,449
part about

1022
01:08:40,449 --> 01:08:41,929
this whole thing is that

1023
01:08:41,929 --> 01:08:43,589
it obviously

1024
01:08:43,589 --> 01:08:46,649
they're covering it up.

1025
01:08:47,009 --> 01:08:49,209
I mean, if you have half a brain,

1026
01:08:49,689 --> 01:08:51,769
this isn't a complicated thing.

1027
01:08:51,909 --> 01:08:53,629
It's not a conspiracy theory.

1028
01:08:56,069 --> 01:08:58,769
And it's pretty apparent that it's

1029
01:08:58,769 --> 01:09:03,089
either a foreign intelligence agency or our own

1030
01:09:03,089 --> 01:09:04,669
or they were working together.

1031
01:09:05,449 --> 01:09:08,789
And they were so successful at honeypotting

1032
01:09:08,789 --> 01:09:12,509
so many powerful politicians and billionaires

1033
01:09:12,509 --> 01:09:17,689
and this people in positions of power

1034
01:09:17,689 --> 01:09:20,749
that it was too big to prosecute.

1035
01:09:21,749 --> 01:09:27,009
And we're already at an all-time low level of trust

1036
01:09:27,009 --> 01:09:30,409
in the system, in our government, in our leaders.

1037
01:09:30,929 --> 01:09:34,769
And I don't doubt that releasing the list

1038
01:09:34,769 --> 01:09:37,709
would explode the last little shred of trust

1039
01:09:37,709 --> 01:09:38,929
that people have in the system.

1040
01:09:38,929 --> 01:09:45,549
um but i don't think they're going to get the result they're after like because by literally

1041
01:09:45,549 --> 01:09:50,449
treating everyone like they're completely retarded and covering it up the way they are

1042
01:09:50,449 --> 01:09:55,909
it's i mean you just go onto twitter and look at how people are reacting these are these are like

1043
01:09:55,909 --> 01:10:02,029
diehard supporters like literally that like their supporters elected them to deal with this because

1044
01:10:02,029 --> 01:10:08,249
we've spent our whole lives being lied to by worthless politicians that are apparently above

1045
01:10:08,249 --> 01:10:17,749
the law still you know rules for thee but not for me and like my trust is now lower today than it

1046
01:10:17,749 --> 01:10:25,149
was yesterday and it will probably lower tomorrow as more it gets revealed and yeah for i mean it's

1047
01:10:25,149 --> 01:10:34,269
this fourth turning like it's uh i don't know uh i feel like if i can jump in with a pastor thing

1048
01:10:34,269 --> 01:10:38,569
I live in like a center for conspiracy theories.

1049
01:10:38,689 --> 01:10:41,969
We have multiple families that we know that are flat earthers, for instance.

1050
01:10:42,309 --> 01:10:45,309
And so I'm always talking people off the ledge.

1051
01:10:45,429 --> 01:10:46,969
I'm not like Mr. Conspiracy.

1052
01:10:47,089 --> 01:10:53,649
I'm Mr. Step back from the ledge and consider it, you know, consider it again.

1053
01:10:54,069 --> 01:11:02,869
And look at Isaiah who says, do not call conspiracy all that the people call conspiracy, nor be in dread, but let God be your fear and let God be your dread.

1054
01:11:02,869 --> 01:11:22,229
So to me, that's like my foundational message about conspiracy. And so it's sad to have to go, okay, as Ryan said, let's just say in my personal family life, all my children are going to be told because of my experience, you can't trust the government.

1055
01:11:22,229 --> 01:11:47,149
You can't even trust the IRS to give you money that they owe you. And so every single one of my six kids, all my grandkids, and anyone else that I have the opportunity to influence, that's going to be the message. Not the primary message. It's going to be about Jesus, but that's going to be the message. So I'm always going to pay the absolute minimum tax without evading tax forever.

1056
01:11:47,149 --> 01:11:49,389
I would rather burn money

1057
01:11:49,389 --> 01:11:51,789
I'm exaggerating a little bit

1058
01:11:51,789 --> 01:11:53,169
but I would rather

1059
01:11:53,169 --> 01:11:55,529
Listen, if you get extra money, you can just

1060
01:11:55,529 --> 01:11:57,389
buy Bitcoin with it and send it my way

1061
01:11:57,389 --> 01:11:58,729
I'll help you, Matt

1062
01:11:58,729 --> 01:12:01,809
I look at Uncle Sam as a beloved uncle

1063
01:12:01,809 --> 01:12:03,769
who keeps trying to get money

1064
01:12:03,769 --> 01:12:05,869
to do fentanyl and die on the street

1065
01:12:05,869 --> 01:12:07,729
and so the loving thing is

1066
01:12:07,729 --> 01:12:10,049
not to give him the money

1067
01:12:10,049 --> 01:12:11,049
to destroy himself

1068
01:12:11,049 --> 01:12:13,329
Now he's a pervy uncle

1069
01:12:13,329 --> 01:12:14,589
That's who Uncle Sam is now

1070
01:12:14,589 --> 01:12:23,129
He's going to take those dollars and use it for dying, for killing himself.

1071
01:12:23,409 --> 01:12:25,689
And so you have to say, you know, turn around.

1072
01:12:26,169 --> 01:12:30,609
But I'm not encouraging evading taxes or lying about your sats or anything like that.

1073
01:12:30,669 --> 01:12:37,029
I'm just saying short of those things, that's what anyone I influence is going to get that from me.

1074
01:12:37,369 --> 01:12:39,509
And that's probably times millions of people now.

1075
01:12:39,509 --> 01:12:49,369
So how can you have a country where the people absolutely do not trust their government, you know, and now we've taken a turn?

1076
01:12:50,029 --> 01:12:58,069
I think a big part of this, again, because you can – it might be somebody who listened to the first 45 minutes of this podcast and then you're like, why are you spending the end of this talking about Epstein?

1077
01:12:58,069 --> 01:12:59,749
Like we, one of you guys joked about this.

1078
01:13:00,069 --> 01:13:05,589
It's like, okay, here's the problem is like you, like you, we are called as Christians

1079
01:13:05,589 --> 01:13:12,109
from day one, literally from page one, page three of the Bible, like to be wise as serpents

1080
01:13:12,109 --> 01:13:13,329
and innocent as doves.

1081
01:13:13,769 --> 01:13:18,309
And part of the, part of being wise as serpents and innocent as doves is understanding when

1082
01:13:18,309 --> 01:13:19,809
people are trying to lie to you.

1083
01:13:20,469 --> 01:13:25,349
And so you have an obligation to not be lied to and like, to not like, especially when

1084
01:13:25,349 --> 01:13:30,989
it's blatant. Like you have an obligation to follow, like follow. So if there's sowing leading

1085
01:13:30,989 --> 01:13:35,609
to reaping, like you need to see, wait a second. They, I was told this and this and this and this

1086
01:13:35,609 --> 01:13:40,669
and this. And what are they, if someone is now going completely, like going 180 degrees

1087
01:13:40,669 --> 01:13:43,689
different, like what are the, what are the things that would incentivize somebody to do that?

1088
01:13:44,189 --> 01:13:49,089
And so like, you have an obligation to, to be wise. And, and, and so like, this is just like

1089
01:13:49,089 --> 01:13:53,649
the Epstein thing. Like it's, it's one, this is like one test case. This is one place where you

1090
01:13:53,649 --> 01:14:01,109
can work out and exercise your reasoning abilities and just basically come to the conclusion that,

1091
01:14:01,189 --> 01:14:06,009
wait a second, there's so many things here that don't make any sense. And so, yeah, I think that's

1092
01:14:06,009 --> 01:14:15,349
a big part of why I think this matters beyond, obviously, the implications for what it says

1093
01:14:15,349 --> 01:14:22,329
about political processes and all kinds of different things. We need to raise up another

1094
01:14:22,329 --> 01:14:29,129
generation of leaders and politicians that won't take a bribe and that won't give into temptations

1095
01:14:29,129 --> 01:14:36,229
and honeypots like this uh that are blackmail proof yes like that's the thing is like if you

1096
01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:40,349
like the reason why people are able to be blackmailed is because they have their they have

1097
01:14:40,349 --> 01:14:44,569
deficient character they've done things that they're scared of people finding out about and

1098
01:14:44,569 --> 01:14:49,369
so the easiest way to avoid that is by not having those things if you learn to you know tell on

1099
01:14:49,369 --> 01:14:51,109
yourself before stuff gets in,

1100
01:14:51,229 --> 01:14:52,449
gets to this level where,

1101
01:14:52,529 --> 01:14:52,749
you know,

1102
01:14:52,749 --> 01:14:52,969
you're,

1103
01:14:53,029 --> 01:14:53,949
you're ashamed of it.

1104
01:14:54,469 --> 01:14:54,869
Um,

1105
01:14:55,249 --> 01:14:55,449
you know,

1106
01:14:55,509 --> 01:14:56,149
the famous,

1107
01:14:56,289 --> 01:14:57,449
the famous,

1108
01:14:57,529 --> 01:14:59,189
famous person who talks about the fact that,

1109
01:14:59,309 --> 01:14:59,869
uh,

1110
01:14:59,905 --> 01:15:02,365
They're like, you know, I don't care what anybody else says about me.

1111
01:15:02,445 --> 01:15:04,345
I sing worse things about myself on Sundays.

1112
01:15:04,545 --> 01:15:07,985
You know, it's one of those in our hymns on Sunday.

1113
01:15:08,105 --> 01:15:11,825
It's one of those things where, yeah, like this is Christians are basically, we are set

1114
01:15:11,825 --> 01:15:16,425
up to be blackmail proof.

1115
01:15:16,765 --> 01:15:17,385
Like this is God.

1116
01:15:17,465 --> 01:15:18,825
God wants us to be blackmail proof.

1117
01:15:19,645 --> 01:15:25,365
I think one of the hard things, and it's a reality in all power structures is there's

1118
01:15:25,365 --> 01:15:28,425
actually a glass ceiling for people who don't have dirt, you know?

1119
01:15:28,505 --> 01:15:28,685
Yeah.

1120
01:15:28,685 --> 01:15:47,445
And I mean, if you think about a mafia example, I don't know if you've ever seen Donnie Brasco, the movie Donnie Brasco, but true story, you know, made into a Hollywood movie. And you get welcomed into the big power structures by becoming dirty.

1121
01:15:47,445 --> 01:15:53,345
you know so like in the in the mafia example it's like first he's he's a cop who's infiltrating the

1122
01:15:53,345 --> 01:15:58,685
mafia so first they go and they kill some guys but he's in the car outside so he can't be a witness

1123
01:15:58,685 --> 01:16:03,585
to the murders uh but he was there right he was there with him he's getting a little bit dirty

1124
01:16:03,585 --> 01:16:09,825
and then like on another occasion like they kill the guys he's not with them but then he comes in

1125
01:16:09,825 --> 01:16:15,065
and he has to help them cut the bodies out you know so that's like level level number two and then

1126
01:16:15,065 --> 01:16:19,605
now you're getting introduced into more now you might have into the finances and now you understand

1127
01:16:19,605 --> 01:16:23,805
what's going on next and stuff like that and next thing you know you have to participate in murders

1128
01:16:23,805 --> 01:16:30,605
stuff like that so so i'm not saying all our politicians are murders but uh it's it there's

1129
01:16:30,605 --> 01:16:35,345
a glass ceiling so how do you how do you how do you break how do you break through the glass ceiling

1130
01:16:35,345 --> 01:16:41,665
um you know the lord knows the sins and all those sins will be uncovered as he says in in luke 12

1131
01:16:41,665 --> 01:16:48,365
yep but uh we can't see it but that's the that's like and you know for for all these my entire adult

1132
01:16:48,365 --> 01:16:53,205
life even when i was 18 20 years old i was reading about or watching videos about you know the

1133
01:16:53,205 --> 01:16:58,305
bohemian grove video that alex jones put out you know years and years ago and i i haven't looked

1134
01:16:58,305 --> 01:17:03,125
into that since i never saw anything that disproved any of that and then there's like the skull and

1135
01:17:03,125 --> 01:17:08,565
bro the skull and bones group in um is that yale or heart harvard i can't remember and how many

1136
01:17:08,565 --> 01:17:12,425
leaders came out of this thing where they're like doing terrible things to each other just

1137
01:17:12,425 --> 01:17:28,277
in the name of like breaking down your conscience but also sharing in something that puts you kind of in this club other stuff about Bill Clinton like 25 years ago I was learning about you know so um I don it it honestly hard for me to

1138
01:17:28,277 --> 01:17:34,637
imagine what the list contains that would make everybody shut up. I mean, I'm just saying as a

1139
01:17:34,637 --> 01:17:40,757
person, it's hard for me to imagine. Cause I don't believe that everyone is buyable, you know? So

1140
01:17:40,757 --> 01:17:45,877
it's, it's a bit crazy. And that's part of the reason why I threw out the, uh, the, the C.S. Lewis

1141
01:17:45,877 --> 01:17:51,597
thing is like, it's got to be, it's spiritual, it's political, it's financial. But I mean,

1142
01:17:51,617 --> 01:17:56,277
what are they going to threaten people with that every single person stays quiet, except maybe,

1143
01:17:56,397 --> 01:18:01,437
you know, people who disappear? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, again, what you're describing is like

1144
01:18:01,437 --> 01:18:08,917
mutually assured destruction. You know, you get something that is, you know, incriminates everybody

1145
01:18:08,917 --> 01:18:14,297
so that there's no incentive for them to reveal it. Now, at the same time, again, this is like,

1146
01:18:14,297 --> 01:18:26,757
I mean, you can Trump Trump's own ascent politically came out of nowhere and thwarted a lot of evil things that were that were, you know, wanted that people wanted to do.

1147
01:18:26,757 --> 01:18:36,537
And so I get I just keep Scott. God cares more about his glory and the good of, you know, the good of people than than we are committed to anything that any wicked person is committed to anything.

1148
01:18:36,977 --> 01:18:39,677
So, yeah, all it takes is one. I'll take this one whistleblower.

1149
01:18:39,677 --> 01:18:44,337
yeah you know like we we saw this with snowden we see this all these things you're only one

1150
01:18:44,337 --> 01:18:49,577
one whistleblower away or one of these guys makes a mistake the hubris leads to downfall

1151
01:18:49,577 --> 01:18:55,397
um or again the ghost grabs somebody that's the other thing we get right is uh you know like you

1152
01:18:55,397 --> 01:18:59,777
get you get somebody who's like yeah i know this is going to completely destroy my life but uh i

1153
01:18:59,777 --> 01:19:04,997
fear the lord and so i'm going to tell the truth like it's like we're we're not that that's not

1154
01:19:04,997 --> 01:19:11,057
outside the realm of possibility either so it's it's also like um i think something that i don't

1155
01:19:11,057 --> 01:19:23,257
think a lot of people are talking about is um this is like how many leaders in the last 40 or 50 years

1156
01:19:23,257 --> 01:19:30,057
like and how many like politicians can we look up to and be like man that like that is a man or

1157
01:19:30,057 --> 01:19:32,497
that is a man worth emulating.

1158
01:19:32,497 --> 01:19:36,357
Like almost like that is a person I looked up to as a hero.

1159
01:19:36,357 --> 01:19:52,808
And it like one by one And you like even those that are like doing some good things and like pushing back on certain things like maybe correcting certain evils in our culture right now down they go

1160
01:19:52,968 --> 01:20:02,328
And just one after one, it's like, dude, I've spent my whole life being let down by like all these national leaders.

1161
01:20:02,568 --> 01:20:03,988
It's pretty crazy.

1162
01:20:03,988 --> 01:20:07,468
and I think part of that's an illustration

1163
01:20:07,468 --> 01:20:09,468
that like our hope does have to be

1164
01:20:09,468 --> 01:20:10,188
in Christ alone

1165
01:20:10,188 --> 01:20:12,688
but it is a bummer

1166
01:20:12,688 --> 01:20:15,048
it's just sad

1167
01:20:15,048 --> 01:20:15,588
right?

1168
01:20:15,848 --> 01:20:16,688
I mean it's like a

1169
01:20:16,688 --> 01:20:19,948
it's just sad

1170
01:20:19,948 --> 01:20:21,268
there's no other way to put it

1171
01:20:21,268 --> 01:20:21,748
it's like

1172
01:20:21,748 --> 01:20:22,988
yep

1173
01:20:22,988 --> 01:20:24,108
I can't like

1174
01:20:24,108 --> 01:20:25,668
it's just not

1175
01:20:25,668 --> 01:20:27,608
that's just not how a man's supposed to be

1176
01:20:27,608 --> 01:20:29,468
it's not how we're supposed to deal with wickedness

1177
01:20:29,468 --> 01:20:30,988
it needs to be called out

1178
01:20:30,988 --> 01:20:32,208
it needs to be brought into the light

1179
01:20:32,208 --> 01:20:33,928
and like to the victims

1180
01:20:33,928 --> 01:20:37,828
and all the people like, it's like, sorry, our leaders are so terrible.

1181
01:20:37,948 --> 01:20:42,728
Like if anyone's listening to this podcast right now, you know, and they're sorry that

1182
01:20:42,728 --> 01:20:48,968
they won't apologize, but they've been compromised and they're terrified or who knows what.

1183
01:20:49,028 --> 01:20:53,228
It's just like the whole, but the whole thing is like, yet again, our leaders are letting

1184
01:20:53,228 --> 01:20:53,728
us down.

1185
01:20:53,728 --> 01:21:01,808
So, um, the, the gospel, the gospel is like such a good answer to this because Jesus describes

1186
01:21:01,808 --> 01:21:06,968
in a lot of different ways, but he describes it as like yeast or as seeds that are being thrown

1187
01:21:06,968 --> 01:21:12,528
around and depending on where the soil it lands in. Or using the yeast analogy, it's like,

1188
01:21:13,108 --> 01:21:18,648
it's pervasively all around us, but it's actually the gospel itself is a message.

1189
01:21:19,068 --> 01:21:25,288
It's not a political movement and it's not even a church institution. And it's not a particular

1190
01:21:25,288 --> 01:21:31,448
tradition either. It's the message of what Jesus accomplished on the cross and all the other things

1191
01:21:31,448 --> 01:21:40,508
he taught and did and this this spreads organically and in some cases it might spread in a special way

1192
01:21:40,508 --> 01:21:47,888
when the trust in institutions in religion in traditions are failing uh if god wills

1193
01:21:47,888 --> 01:21:54,808
because it's it's you can't stop a grassroots movement which has to do with um it's data not

1194
01:21:54,808 --> 01:21:59,968
to say it in a not to say that in a crude way it's data it's truth it's knowledge it's information

1195
01:21:59,968 --> 01:22:11,360
not based on what institution you belong to but based on something that was done in history And so you know I love what you said earlier Jordan

1196
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:14,380
On another pod, I said, you know,

1197
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,380
the gospel power is for us to convince people,

1198
01:22:17,480 --> 01:22:18,620
but not to coerce them.

1199
01:22:19,100 --> 01:22:20,620
But you mentioned the Holy Spirit,

1200
01:22:20,700 --> 01:22:22,140
and I thought after that pod, I'm like,

1201
01:22:22,180 --> 01:22:24,700
well, actually, I do think the Holy Spirit coerces us.

1202
01:22:24,820 --> 01:22:26,760
But just not, it's not for us to coerce,

1203
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:30,140
but I do think God is a little bit coercive in a loving way.

1204
01:22:30,140 --> 01:22:31,440
that could be an entire another thing.

1205
01:22:31,540 --> 01:22:32,720
I'll just throw a bombshell out there.

1206
01:22:32,940 --> 01:22:35,600
But yeah, from a human perspective,

1207
01:22:35,900 --> 01:22:39,720
the power is just to share and to spread the truth.

1208
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:40,460
Yep.

1209
01:22:41,820 --> 01:22:42,500
All right.

1210
01:22:42,660 --> 01:22:44,480
That is our last tweet for today.

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01:22:44,620 --> 01:22:46,500
In this divided episode,

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01:22:46,860 --> 01:22:48,260
we'll stitch this together.

1213
01:22:48,380 --> 01:22:49,420
And so those of you who are listening

1214
01:22:49,420 --> 01:22:53,680
to this unpurely audio and after the fact,

1215
01:22:53,900 --> 01:22:56,240
you won't even know anything went wrong.

1216
01:22:56,460 --> 01:22:57,540
Hopefully this will all be,

1217
01:22:57,540 --> 01:23:00,120
It'll just seamlessly fix itself.

1218
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:01,900
So enjoy that.

1219
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:06,380
Again, we just want to close by reminding people that The Orange Umbrella, our kids book that

1220
01:23:06,380 --> 01:23:10,600
myself and a buddy wrote, we are about 86% of the way funded.

1221
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:12,760
We got 14% to go in six days left.

1222
01:23:13,300 --> 01:23:19,880
Go, you know, hop, grab your kid or your nieces and nephews, a copy or multiple copies.

1223
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:28,1000
Again, it's a Christian Bitcoin kids book that doesn't mention the B word or the J word if you're Christian.

1224
01:23:29,180 --> 01:23:33,940
But it's unmistakably Bitcoin-related and unmistakably Christian.

1225
01:23:34,100 --> 01:23:36,520
So go grab yourself a copy, multiple copies.

1226
01:23:36,940 --> 01:23:40,260
And again, that will be a huge help to getting that project over the line.

1227
01:23:40,620 --> 01:23:41,620
We are grateful for you guys.

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01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:45,360
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1229
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:50,040
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1230
01:23:50,540 --> 01:23:55,100
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1231
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1232
01:23:57,660 --> 01:24:02,420
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1233
01:24:03,100 --> 01:24:05,640
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1234
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:09,860
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1235
01:24:10,420 --> 01:24:13,780
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1236
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