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And we are live. Welcome back to episode 39 of To The Unknown Pod, a TGFB podcast. My name is

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Jordan Bush. I'm the director of TGFB Media, which exists to help all people, and especially

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Christians, use Bitcoin for the glory of God and the good of people everywhere. I am joined today

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by two thirds of the Iowan boys who I will allow to introduce themselves now. My name is Matt

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Purvis. I'm in the Big Island of Hawaii pastoring and also operating a business or two and have done

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that for many years and believe in business as mission. I'm Ryan Finley, a former resident of

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the Big Island of Hawaii, now in Oregon, father of six, doing a lot of entrepreneurial projects

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with my boys. For those of you who are just joining us today for the first time, that is why

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We call them the Island Boys.

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I have never lived or even been in Hawaii, but the other three guys who are normally on this podcast have all lived there and ministered there at various points.

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So we are back today.

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And I don't look very tan.

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Despite living in a sunny place, I spend most of my time inside writing or responding to things, email, all this kind of stuff.

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But I just got back from spending a week in El Salvador, Bitcoin country, Bitcoin Beach, all of the Bitcoin things.

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I had a great time with Ashwa Hawthorne.

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We both got invited to go down and take part in the Bitcoin Beach Global Circular Economy Summit that they did.

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And we are going to discuss the events and all the stuff that happened there and all of our takeaways on the next episode when Ashwa returns.

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Ashwa is taking care of some family business today.

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So look forward to that.

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Something that we just had a blast, saw the Lord do some really cool things.

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Just so much, so much that we could talk about.

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And so we want to save that for to have two minds who were there remembering the most salient bits rather than just mine.

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So look forward to that later.

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Um, before we get into this, today's episode, which I will, I mean, you can read the title

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there, uh, episode 39, hope in the face of despair, uh, Epstein and Bitcoin.

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And then later in a little bit.

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So that that's going to be, I mean, we, we're, I don't know if you can see behind me over

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here on this side, you can see the block clock shout out to Chester, uh, ginger Sherpa who

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made these things.

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Uh, if you haven't seen those, go check out block clock, Google it, you'll find it.

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but Bitcoin, there's blood in the streets

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blood in the streets

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did you ever think that you would say

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blood in the streets

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over $75,000 Bitcoin

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oh the sky is falling

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so there's a lot of people

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who have a lot of questions

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who are, a lot of us are fielding questions

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from friends, family members

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who are like

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is this quantum computing

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should we all just sell our Bitcoin?

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is Bitcoin crashing?

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this is literally what always happens

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the cycle theorists rejoiced

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we are, here we are back

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we were down 44% I believe from the all-time high so we're gonna you know talk about some of that

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here in a minute we're also a few days removed from another release of Epstein documents even

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more insane and disgusting than or every bit as insane and disgusting involving more explicit

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details about powerful people than we've ever had before so again we're not going to go super

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into detail and on a lot of the lurid details if you're listening to this with with little ones in

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the car so don't don't have any fear there uh but we're still just going to kind of just chat about

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that a little bit uh and just the overall just things that are going on a lot of um there's just

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a lot of stuff going on around the world and in our lives that you know could just you know because

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there's been nothing done about i've seen because you know of all these things in our lives it just

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to be easy to get overwhelmed and to despair.

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And so we're going to talk about how do we deal with that.

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So we will get there in a second.

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We're going to finish with a conversation with Moses Finley,

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the son of the offspring of one of the three of us sitting here.

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I'll let you try to figure out which one of it.

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And Moses is a friend of the program.

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Moses is a full stack developer who, for the last number of months,

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has been using AI to leverage his coding abilities.

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and so we're going to talk to him about the crazy story of this molt bot AI agent takeover

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that was dominating almost literally every single story on my feed a couple days ago.

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We're going to get his perspective on what is going on, what is real, how do we discern what was actually going on here

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versus what was just said to be going on, what are some of the incentives involved.

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Moses will be back at a future episode to kind of talk more about the AI programming revolution and his thoughts on that.

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So we're pumped to have him later in a little bit once he's working on something and he'll join us after we or once we get to that point.

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So I do want to just remind you of a couple of things that are coming up to ways to support TGFB.

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For those of you who did not know, maybe this is you've been under a rock and you've just emerged.

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Well, welcome. Welcome into the light.

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TGFB for the last three and a half years has been operating as a for-profit business.

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We've been doing our best not to, you know, our goal in starting this was, hey, let's go out there, go hard, try to make this into a successful, you know, for-profit business.

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And that way, you know, if we don't need to receive donations and that kind of stuff from other people, there can be donations that can go to all kinds of other deserving projects around the world.

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And so, you know, with that said, over the last few years, as we've tried to, you know, make this work and tried to just do things from a for-profit standpoint, there were things that just sacrifices that we weren't or trade-offs that we weren't willing to make in order in just the name of making as much profit as possible.

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And so a number of months ago, in talking with Jimmy and some of the other investors, we made the decision to go non-profit.

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And so TGFB is going to be coming under the wing of Brilliance Labs, which is a small innovation lab that's empowering, using Bitcoin to empower all kinds of projects across the world, as well as in the United States, in the town where Joshua lives.

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And so we are going to be working together.

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Could not be more excited about it, honestly.

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Working together with a team.

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I've been trying to do this, not all by myself.

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There's been plenty of people who have volunteered and helped along the way.

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So I'm not trying to insinuate that at all.

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But just it's, you know, being able to work together with other guys with corresponding

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skill sets where we can overlap for each other, some of each other's weaknesses.

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I could not be more excited about that.

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And so that, if you want to learn more about that decision, let's see here.

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You can go to decision what it entails and how to support us.

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you can go to brilliancelabs.com slash TGFB.

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We have a video.

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Again, in hindsight, it just was kind of amazing

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to see the Lord kind of repairing this decision.

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We actually did this incredible video together

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three years ago, two and a half years ago,

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or I guess two years ago,

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when Ashwa and I went to El Salvador.

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You can watch this video there.

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Just phenomenal job.

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Shout out to Caleb Goodnight.

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He's a friend of ours who made it.

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Went with us.

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And so then this is like an intro to Brilliance Labs, intro to me, what we're doing.

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And then here down here, you can give, again, if you want to give dirty fiat, feel free.

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We will help you wash your hands of that filth.

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If you also want to give the much, much greater, if you want to give Bitcoin, you can do Bitcoin on chain or on lightning, give crypto or stocks.

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Any of these things can allow us to continue our work.

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We've raised about a quarter of the money that we need to finish, basically to get through the end of the year.

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And so we would greatly appreciate your prayers and your donations to help us continue that work.

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So that's that thing right there.

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The other couple of things that we have, again, we just last month, finally, after many, much time of work and many years of work, we launched the Orange Umbrella.

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this is our our kids book uh that uh me and a buddy named jd wrote and so here we can see right

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here here's our our website this is uh our the different things that we have available we have

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number one we have the orange umbrella this is our kids book available both in hardcover

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and in paperback uh for those of you who are wondering wow what does that actually look like

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well i'm glad you asked let's see here so we have a paperback cover right here super high quality

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very thick, very premium paper. Just a whole lot of good stuff going on there. Then we have a

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hardcover version as well. This is the highest quality hardcover you're going to find. Very

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well put together with sewn bindings, with very good quality dust jackets and the like. I'll also

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be signing every book that's ordered. So if that's something that interests you and you want to

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support TGFB indirectly in those ways you can do that. We also, given that we'd already done all

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of the, or our artists had already done all of the line art for the book, we just said, hey,

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why don't we just create a coloring book that has all of the, has all the text from the book,

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but just removes the, removes the, all of the color. And so you can, if you want to make

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improvements or whatever, you want your kids to take part in the coloring of the Orange Umbrella.

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We have the Orange Umbrella coloring book, which is right here on the screen.

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We also have the second edition of TGFB.

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I could not be more excited about this.

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This is, guys, if you've read the initial copy, again, I always tell people,

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we thought that us and our moms were going to really enjoy,

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we're going to really enjoy Think Over Beacon when we first published.

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We didn't spend tons of money and resources to try to perfect this thing.

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We just put it out there.

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So hopefully that can be an encouragement for some of your projects

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If you're waiting for perfection to release a project, don't do that.

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Just get it out there in the world.

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But now that it's been out for five years, we just celebrated the fifth year anniversary.

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We decided, hey, let's spend a little money to get a little more professional typesetting.

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Let's do another cover redesign.

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And so that is available for pre-order right now.

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We had anticipated already having this long done for the last, probably a month ago.

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We were expecting to have this done.

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but the fine folks over there at Amazon

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have been making our lives miserable

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as we've tried to satisfy their desires

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to prove that we are indeed who we say we are.

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So we are still working to get that done.

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In the meantime, you can pre-order

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and pre-order that right here.

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We also have our book,

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obviously the Gospel According to Bitcoin.

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We found a lot of people enjoy.

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So go ahead and read that one as well.

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You can pick up those

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and to encourage you to, again,

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just make these orders. We have a 25% off code right now. If you use promo code PLANB,

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all capitalized, PLANB, five letters, you can get 25% off of anything in the store except for

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our last thing before we get started here is the TGFB 26 conference in Fort Worth.

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This is going to be our first conference or first proper conference in almost two years.

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we did 2024 in Nashville and this year because the Bitcoin conference is going to be in Vegas

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and many of you have reached out and said hey I don't really have an interest in going to Vegas

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we decided all right we're going to go and we'll partner with Bitblock Boom we'll do our event

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the year or the day before with them there and so if you go to if you go to tgfb.com slash

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conference you can find you know that a place where it gives you a little bit more information

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You click on buy tickets and it'll take you to ZapRite where you can pay with Bitcoin or fiat.

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Early bird prices right now, you can get those, including one ticket with a merch bundle.

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If you have pastors or other ministry leaders who you'd like to bring, email us and we're happy to get you a promo code to get discounted tickets for them.

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So please let us know.

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We'd love to see you.

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We're going to be doing this a couple, one or two more things.

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we're going to do one or more or one or two more,

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one more event.

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That's basically going to be a fundraiser for TGFB.

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It's probably going to be a dinner.

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It's going to be a dinner.

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One of the nights of Bitblock Boom.

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So we will be releasing more information about that.

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And boom,

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shill over.

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That was about seven minutes of full on shilling.

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we're happy to do it because we were grateful for you guys.

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And we know that you guys are eager to get resources that you could put into

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the hands of uh the people in your life in your own hands your own kids and all this kind of thing

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so with that being said we are done let's do this uh let's see stop sharing that's what i'm trying

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to do and now let's get into the episode here so we uh basically a lot of stuff in news we mentioned

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epstein so let's kind of start right there unless i'll give i've been talking a lot let me ask you

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guys is is there anything i forgot anything you guys think we ought to mention before we

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hop into FC. Yeah, I'm ready. Yeah, great. So let's, let's launch into FC. And so

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what a horrible sentiment to have to have to say. So again, we're not going to get into crazy

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details, but we do just want to kind of talk about, there was a giant release of FC documents

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over the last few, you know, I guess it was middle of the week last week or Thursday. I think it was

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Thursday. Thursday or Friday, a bunch of documents dumped and just a staggering amount of new

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information about Epstein, about people who are involved in Epstein, a whole new group of people

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who were found to be in communicating with him. There is a whole bunch of disturbing things,

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disturbing information, disturbing pictures, images. Those are the same thing. Images, videos,

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whole bunch of stuff. And I will say one of the things that I'll mention is while we were in,

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I was in El Salvador at the Plan B conference when these came out. And as we're sitting there,

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I mean, people were just quickly, because we're there, searching Bitcoin in the Epstein documents.

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And we're finding, let's see if I'll share this here. We found there was quite a few actually

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mentions of Bitcoin in the Epstein documents.

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So we have Epstein talking about, this is Epstein, or is this Joe Ito?

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Joey Ito.

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He's basically talking about there was a problem like the Bitcoin Foundation went bankrupt.

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Can you guys read this?

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I can see it.

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So the Bitcoin Foundation went bankrupt.

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And so he's describing many organizations scrambled to step into the vacuum created by the foundation

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and quote-unquote take control of the developers.

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We, whoever this is, we move quickly,

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talking to all of the various stakeholders,

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and the three developers decided to join the Media Lab,

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which is apparently something that Paul,

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or I mean, what's his name?

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Joey has something to do with.

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This is a big win for us.

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So this us, we, people were very concerned of like,

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okay, wait a second.

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Does this mean that the Bitcoin devs were co-opted?

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Bitcoin's been owned and operated by potentially a party that Epstein is close to.

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That's what's going on.

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There's a hundred other things.

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People were quick to, people including Bruce Fenton were quick to debunk the idea that,

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you know, Epstein influenced Bitcoin development.

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No, it's not that bad.

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Then we have this right here, friend of the program, Mike Germano.

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Shout out to Mike.

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Jeffrey Epstein didn't launder his horrors using Bitcoin.

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He relied on bank accounts at JPMorgan Chase, HSBC and Deutsche Bank to pay for his crimes.

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But those institutions have elite PR machines working overtime to shift the conversation.

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Never forget who banked him.

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There's also a bunch of documents in here about Jamie Dimon, who said under oath that he had never met Jeffrey Epstein.

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That is unless he's going to try to pull a Clinton and say that, oh, I never met him in person or something along those lines.

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There's tons of correspondence between them.

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100 different things going on here You know this could be people speculating is this part of the reason Bitcoin price is falling Bitcoin price has fallen you know

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$15,000 in the last few days here.

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There's just a bunch of stuff going on.

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Adam Back was mentioned in the Epstein files.

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Ironically, I gave a copy of the orange umbrella

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to Adam Back at a picture taken with him.

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And then literally later that day,

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find out he's in the Epstein files.

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And so just a whole bunch of crazy stuff going on.

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I'm going to give you guys a chance to respond.

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What were your thoughts when you saw these files drop?

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Yeah, I mean, they're very disturbing just from what I've been,

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you know, the bits and pieces I've seen.

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I don't think there's a ton to it.

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I think more than anything, you realize that there's an enormous network of powerful people.

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It's usually centered around money, like always, but also just power around the world.

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And it was the most despicable, twisted network you can imagine.

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Everyone's all, they got sucked into it and all sorts of leverage and they would commit crimes.

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And then there would be evidence of them.

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and then whatever they call that, a honeypot.

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And I just think Bitcoin is such a significant,

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it's like a financial atomic bomb that went off

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when it got released into the world.

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Everyone in the financial space,

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which there's a lot of people that were in the Epstein files,

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are in the financial world.

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It just went on their radar immediately,

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and you can see there seems to be a lot of discussion about it.

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anyways uh i don't think there's i don't think there's a lot there kind of like what mike germano

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said uh much more disturbing is the existing financial system and how it just openly supported

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uh and facilitated a lot of the wickedness that you you see in the epstein files um

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yeah let me let me add one thing one of the one of the things i i we could find this file but

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we don't need to. One of the things you see is that Epstein was critical of Bitcoin.

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He's saying like there's limitations. He was like trying to point out some of the limitations.

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And so one of the things you should see is that over and over again, Epstein, just like a lot of

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Bitcoin critics, they, you know, there's things that they don't like about it, that it can't do

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some of the things that they want to do. And so rather than, you know, submit themselves to what

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Bitcoin is, they kind of move on to other projects where they can exercise more control and they can

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get, you know, more, whether it's a greater stake or, you know, whatever it is. So that was one

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thing. Let me just share a couple of these. Again, this isn't like a lot of details. We've got Ben

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Justman, friend of the program, go buy Peony Lane wine. Ben said this, let me get this straight.

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Let's see here. So let me get this straight. Epstein didn't use Bitcoin because it was too

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transparent and opted to use JP Morgan and said, yes, yes, Ben. That's exactly what we're saying.

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uh again access to cash and the the most you know biggest most influential on the u.s government

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and uh arguably the most corrupt bank in the world uh you know able to do that then we also had this

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uh we had this uh here we go that's not it it's this one right here okay so from bitcoin or uncle

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Doomer. Here we go. Uncle Doomer. There was one of the emails we have in one of the emails. We

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have Jeffrey Epstein's assistant. Oh, shoot. Sorry. Jeffrey Epstein's assistant buying a single

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unlabeled $8,453 item from Wayfair. We don't have. Okay, we don't have what this was. This

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is bringing to mind for a lot of people, including. Including, let's see where to go, including

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Uncle Doomer here. Every conspiracy

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theory is real. That's obviously a reference to

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the Wayfair conspiracy theory from

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a number of years ago where people logged

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onto Wayfair and they saw these pieces of furniture

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that you could find other places

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for much cheaper that were listed

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for $8,000, $10,000

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whatever and they had

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very weird names

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like they were names of children

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and there were some people

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who were trying to tie them together, tie the names

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together with missing persons but this

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is just really weird. All right. This is, it's very similar to, uh, Pizzagate, uh, all the

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references, there's tons of pizza references in these emails, uh, which again, we, everyone knows

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what those are referencing, referencing at this point, tons of pizza references, uh, tons of pizza

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references in, uh, John Podesta's emails as well. These are not accidents, uh, tons of, of disturbing

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things. Let's see. There's one more. I think there's one more. Yeah, this is one, uh, this is

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This is a tweet that I retweeted this.

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So we had Ted Downing Street, which is obviously basically like the –

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not the British White House, but it's where the prime minister's office is.

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Peter Mendelsohn, who is very influential, he was the business secretary at the time.

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In 2010, he sends Jeffrey Epstein an email, says,

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sources tell me in relation to the financial, like a Euro bailout, the Euro was going to fail

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or was looking very weak. And they get a $500 billion Euro bailout. He, again, just gets this

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information, promptly emails it immediately to Jeffrey Epstein, says it's almost complete.

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Epstein creepily asked if he's home. And then he says, just leaving number 10, which is 10 Downing

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street the prime minister's office will call so i mean this is bonkers and this is why uh here's

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my retreat of this the u.s business secretary leaves 10 downing street with news of a bailout

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and the first person he calls i'm sorry yeah uk and the first person he calls is jeffrey epstein

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okay this is insanely weird so yeah we have this going reminiscent of a politician u.s politician

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who during a congressional Senate hearing is getting talking points from Epstein in real time.

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So this guy was connected, insanely well connected to politicians in the United States, politicians in the UK.

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There's things, there's emails that show connections to Putin and Russia and also obviously former prime minister of Israel, Ehud Barak.

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So this guy was insanely well connected to people at the highest positions of power and had access and a level of importance to them where he's one of the first people to get information as these giant news events are happening.

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We'll do one more here.

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Let's see.

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We already did that one.

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So, yeah, again, we could do literally 100 more.

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And this, Ryan, you mentioned this is part of the problem is there's just so much that it's almost overwhelming and arguably desensitizing.

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I'll let you kind of elaborate on that.

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I mean, it's, you can't, I mean, there's like thousands more and it's more horrific than you can imagine.

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It's like all, yeah, like they said, all the conspiracy theories are true.

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and um and then you know as christians we want justice and we want this to come to light

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and then at the same time um no one's been like no one's been brought to justice

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like all of the very wealthy powerful mostly men have not been held accountable at all

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there's been no arrests uh there's a couple i think there's what was it one romanian

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politicians step down from this like the country the country shamed him out of politics this

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happened two days ago so i was like oh that's good that's a healthy immune response from romania

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um nothing ever happens to american politicians like we're we're so far gone our yeah our culture

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is so wicked that you can have the most heinous monstrous thing like honestly this is like there's

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There's probably nothing ever that's like this that's been publicly disclosed for the

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world, for Americans to hear in our country's history.

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And it's very likely that nothing will happen.

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I mean, Bill Gates' name's been dragged through the mud and things like that, and a bunch

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of other people.

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But again, it's like, oh, but he's on the left.

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So, you know, well, half the country is not going to say a peep.

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Right?

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And then the other half will.

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But then it's on partisan lines.

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So then the media is bringing up Elon Musk.

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I mean, it's just the whole response is just on script.

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And, yeah, it's discouraging.

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because um but um yeah i mean just to be clear like there are there's references made to to trump

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there's references you know made to you know other other people you know other politicians as well

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again there's accusations levied against trump of of awful things uh that weren't deemed credible

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enough to to respond to but again like who knows why that was depending on when these things you

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know uh when these critiques were made so again it's this is not this is not meant to be like a

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you know a total like this is not meant to be a man the left they're they're you know right and

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they're wrong and the the left is just or the right is spotless it's not that yeah not at all

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um but no i mean look at trump's response i mean you have one politician or i think there's two

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thomas macy he's trying to get he's trying to bring this out into the light which is good

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and Trump is literally going scorched earth,

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trying to smote him off the face of the earth.

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And you're like, oh, that's interesting.

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Like Trump was in, he's listed in these files.

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Like he slowly themselves, like who knows?

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Like honestly.

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It's amazing.

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Because the gears of the law requires,

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it can't be circumstantial.

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It has to be, you know, so even if we were to say

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Like a 99% chance, more than nine, let's just say it's more than 99 that Bill Gates was involved in like illegal activities.

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You still have to have someone who comes and says, I was a witness and we're charging him.

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And so that's part of the frustration is you have to get a lot of things together in order to get justice.

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So you can get social shaming and maybe exclusion, which is appropriate too.

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but it's going to be tough because you're going to have to have either the victims

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or witnesses or whatever.

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There's going to be video.

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It sounds like they did get all the victims.

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It was a New York case and they interviewed like 10 of them

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and they got all the names and everything like that.

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The whole point is they've already done that,

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including some of the witnesses that have since basically killed themselves.

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probably because they found out that the whole justice system is a mockery.

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And even after getting all, like, they have all the evidence.

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That's why they're not releasing the files, all the files.

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Like, we haven't seen, I think this is like, we haven't seen anything yet.

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So it's, we have, like, we're basically living through,

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it's a two-tiered justice system.

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Like, if you're wealthy and powerful, and if you're depraved enough,

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like, you're above the law, basically.

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And I think the masses are fine.

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Like, I mean, this is unmasking it more than I've ever seen.

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And it's very disturbing.

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I mean, I read this and I just burn it all down.

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Both parties, like, I mean, literally.

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I think literally we need a massive purge of almost all of our politicians.

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Yeah.

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That's how corrupt.

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And not just politicians, but also everyone's finding out that it was Hollywood as well and things like that.

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Yeah, the first mention of leadership in the Bible, qualifications, I think the first mention is when Jethro, Moses' father-in-law, talks to Moses and he says, first things he says, choose men who hate a bribe and who fear God.

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So that's the basis.

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who should be leading other people.

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They hate bribes and they fear God.

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So apply that to what we see in our landscape.

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And, you know, power, I saw a recent post

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that I thought it was a good framing.

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You know, it's not just that power corrupts,

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but power attracts corrupt people, you know,

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because the corrupt people want to have power

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over their fellow man.

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Whereas in many cases,

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people who just want to live their lives and have a family and start a business and maybe try to do

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some positive effect in the world, many people like that aren't really interested in having power

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over their fellow man because they're already content with taking care of their family and

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taking care of their small community. And in a certain way, this is a call for people like that

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to say, you need to run for higher office, actually. Maybe serve your time and go back

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if you're that person in it.

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Go ahead.

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This is why back in our,

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early in our country's history,

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you used to have to profess your faith in God

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to be in political office.

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And the reason they did that,

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it wasn't, like, it was because,

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like, ultimately, when you are electing a politician,

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you're electing someone that's going to end up

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ruling over you,

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and they need to have someone ruling over them.

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It's a hierarchy of, like, exactly.

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You need that, that they're not going to be a terror and they're not going to be taking bribes and they're not going to literally seek your destruction.

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And so this whole, you know, this whole nation of the separation of church and state, like we're seeing this like, oh, Christians shouldn't talk about politics.

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And it's like, literally, there is no good politician about Christians, as we're starting to see.

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Like, literally, if someone doesn't have a fear of God, you get what we get.

440
00:31:41,660 --> 00:31:42,680
You see what we get.

441
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:43,520
You see what we get.

442
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,100
Even if you're not a total, you're not a total, like total destruction.

443
00:31:47,940 --> 00:31:50,600
Yeah. And even, even someone who's not quite a Christian,

444
00:31:50,980 --> 00:31:55,520
at least if you have this understanding that there's a judge and you might be

445
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,120
judged, maybe you're not, you know, there's this,

446
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,620
this idea of I'm going to be held to a higher court than just my fellow man,

447
00:32:01,940 --> 00:32:06,440
you know? And you know, something that I read a long time ago,

448
00:32:06,501 --> 00:32:10,220
an article about Chinese politics.

449
00:32:10,220 --> 00:32:16,020
And it was this guy who got into the higher echelons of business and politics, because there it's all mixed.

450
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:16,680
Well, here it is too.

451
00:32:17,620 --> 00:32:28,660
And he was talking about how once you get to a certain level, you're going to have to participate in these lewd, drunken reveling, basically.

452
00:32:28,980 --> 00:32:35,420
And nobody says like, hey, we're going to take you to this party and you have to get massively drunk and then we're going to bring the girls in.

453
00:32:35,780 --> 00:32:36,580
But that's what they do.

454
00:32:36,580 --> 00:32:42,001
and this is the point I'm making is it's a universal thing this is true in the medieval

455
00:32:42,001 --> 00:32:47,140
times this is true go back as far as you want what we're seeing now is a huge uncovering

456
00:32:47,140 --> 00:32:53,100
so anybody who thought it was a little more tame than it really is is realizing it's not only

457
00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:58,420
Epstein it's all these people and this is true for uh you know an example would be like if you

458
00:32:58,420 --> 00:33:03,580
go to the mob you have to do certain little menial tasks and then little by little they start

459
00:33:03,580 --> 00:33:09,460
introducing you to the violence and they introduce it to you to the point where, like in the movie

460
00:33:09,460 --> 00:33:13,400
Donnie Brasco, you know, they bring him to the, where they're going to murder some people, but he

461
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:26,101
stays in the car Right And then another and then later on he has to come and help dispose of the evidence And then that leads into where you going to become a murderer but now you already committed crimes And it just you know what I mean

462
00:33:26,141 --> 00:33:28,301
It's like that kind of system.

463
00:33:28,761 --> 00:33:31,541
And so in the article he was talking about, in that system,

464
00:33:31,661 --> 00:33:34,141
you will not advance farther than that ceiling

465
00:33:34,141 --> 00:33:36,701
if you don't take part in those kinds of things.

466
00:33:37,461 --> 00:33:39,541
They order you another round of drinks you don't drink.

467
00:33:40,221 --> 00:33:41,021
That's a ceiling.

468
00:33:41,601 --> 00:33:43,301
And you have to be willing to accept that.

469
00:33:43,301 --> 00:33:52,361
And what we're seeing here is, in part, a universal human principle of evil that we're being able to see right now.

470
00:33:52,441 --> 00:33:53,181
And it's crazy.

471
00:33:53,381 --> 00:34:01,641
Thinking if I was in 2010 and I was one of these guys, even in 2000, you have no idea what the Internet is going to be like in 2025, 26.

472
00:34:02,481 --> 00:34:06,041
Even in 2010, you have no idea what the Internet is going to be.

473
00:34:06,481 --> 00:34:08,041
This is like the beginning of Facebook.

474
00:34:08,481 --> 00:34:08,921
You know what I mean?

475
00:34:09,061 --> 00:34:10,721
You couldn't even find this stuff.

476
00:34:10,721 --> 00:34:13,041
Even if it existed, you wouldn't be able to find it.

477
00:34:13,301 --> 00:34:14,721
and they would be able to shut it down.

478
00:34:14,741 --> 00:34:15,321
And they're older.

479
00:34:16,541 --> 00:34:19,241
Yeah, and so you can't even fathom.

480
00:34:19,421 --> 00:34:20,521
And then not only that, AI.

481
00:34:20,761 --> 00:34:23,241
So you release millions of documents or whatever,

482
00:34:23,901 --> 00:34:25,441
and instead of having to read through each one,

483
00:34:25,501 --> 00:34:27,341
you can ask AI, where's this word found?

484
00:34:27,741 --> 00:34:28,801
What about this? What about that?

485
00:34:29,101 --> 00:34:31,821
This is all absolutely brand-new phenomenon

486
00:34:31,821 --> 00:34:37,081
that these guys were not being careful in a 2026 sense

487
00:34:37,081 --> 00:34:40,421
because you had no concept it would even be like this back then.

488
00:34:40,421 --> 00:34:48,661
you know um you know and i could i could i share that video i had an idea of do it yeah go for it

489
00:34:48,661 --> 00:34:53,281
it's probably like it's probably less than 30 seconds i'm gonna introduce the video but in my

490
00:34:53,281 --> 00:34:58,061
opinion based on what i'm seeing and i haven't dove in deep but just in in the whole story you

491
00:34:58,061 --> 00:35:05,721
know i do think it's true that epstein is not like a top guy i think he's uh it looks to me like he is

492
00:35:05,721 --> 00:35:11,221
connected to these intelligence agencies, probably more than one. And he was running honey traps.

493
00:35:12,181 --> 00:35:19,001
And he's not exactly a pawn, but he's probably someone who accepted his role is he's going to

494
00:35:19,001 --> 00:35:24,921
have unlimited money, unlimited access to do the wicked things he wants to do. I'm not a doctor,

495
00:35:24,921 --> 00:35:31,161
but I would say he's a psychopath, meaning he doesn't have empathy or able to feel what other

496
00:35:31,161 --> 00:35:37,401
people are feeling. And the, the, the, the video I'm going to show is a confrontation. It's in the

497
00:35:37,401 --> 00:35:44,341
1999 movie payback with Mel Gibson. And it's a mob, a leader in the mob confronting one of his

498
00:35:44,341 --> 00:35:50,681
lower guys, who's the antagonist in the movie and telling him, I hope you understand what your value

499
00:35:50,681 --> 00:35:58,141
is and explaining what his value is as a violent person. So let me share here. Cause I think it

500
00:35:58,141 --> 00:36:02,821
applies to, I think it applies to Epstein.

501
00:36:06,821 --> 00:36:12,101
So here's the, this is the guy who's the, basically the sadist, and then he's going

502
00:36:12,101 --> 00:36:13,541
to be confronted by the mob boss.

503
00:36:17,341 --> 00:36:18,901
Here's his file, Mr. Clowney.

504
00:36:18,901 --> 00:36:30,461
Do you understand your value to the organization, Resnick?

505
00:36:32,781 --> 00:36:33,981
You're a sadist.

506
00:36:34,361 --> 00:36:35,201
You lack compunction.

507
00:36:35,321 --> 00:36:36,121
That comes in handy.

508
00:36:37,381 --> 00:36:41,381
But now you've allowed the general and personal life to be a danger.

509
00:36:44,301 --> 00:36:46,741
A man in our organization...

510
00:36:46,741 --> 00:36:55,041
he goes on to say basically you need to handle this on your own because you've allowed a

511
00:36:55,041 --> 00:37:00,781
personal part of your life to become a danger to the organization and i'm not sure if that last part

512
00:37:00,781 --> 00:37:05,621
is true of epstein it could be because he ended up becoming one of their sacrificial lambs or i

513
00:37:05,621 --> 00:37:12,981
guess sacrificial goat you know in his case but um i thought it reminded me of that because um

514
00:37:12,981 --> 00:37:14,721
I'll stop sharing the screen.

515
00:37:15,381 --> 00:37:17,461
I think that's kind of the position he was in.

516
00:37:17,941 --> 00:37:22,061
When it came time that everything's coming clean, coming clear and open,

517
00:37:22,541 --> 00:37:26,581
he had to be put down or, you know, faked it.

518
00:37:26,681 --> 00:37:27,761
I don't know if that's true or not.

519
00:37:29,501 --> 00:37:33,161
But in the end, he's probably a psycho,

520
00:37:33,781 --> 00:37:35,541
and that means if you tell him what to do,

521
00:37:35,541 --> 00:37:40,201
he doesn't have the normal compunction or hesitation

522
00:37:40,201 --> 00:37:44,061
that you or I would have towards doing something horrible.

523
00:37:44,381 --> 00:37:47,981
And he also has appetites of his own of what he wants to do.

524
00:37:49,541 --> 00:37:52,301
And that's why I think that's kind of the position he's in.

525
00:37:52,301 --> 00:37:53,501
Yeah, there's not the same.

526
00:37:53,581 --> 00:37:58,981
There's not a fear of getting in trouble, it doesn't seem.

527
00:37:59,101 --> 00:38:03,321
Even when he was in prison, there was reports that he was still getting.

528
00:38:03,481 --> 00:38:05,181
He was able to get outside the jail,

529
00:38:05,401 --> 00:38:08,261
and he was able to get all kinds of special privileges

530
00:38:08,261 --> 00:38:09,701
that no normal person gets.

531
00:38:10,201 --> 00:38:16,401
And so, yeah, I do think it's, and we'll, we'll talk about this in a future episode.

532
00:38:16,401 --> 00:38:21,381
I think one of the things that I think we should address here and then we can, we've been going for a while.

533
00:38:21,441 --> 00:38:21,601
Wow.

534
00:38:22,061 --> 00:38:27,301
But I think one of the things we should address is there's two dangers with conspiracy theories.

535
00:38:27,301 --> 00:38:36,101
And we're going to do, we're going to do a whole episode on just conspiracy theories as a category and like how Christians should think about them.

536
00:38:36,101 --> 00:38:50,121
But this is one of these really tricky situations because there's a lot of people who, when they hear something, they hear something about the Epstein and, oh, there's a global cabal who's trafficking children.

537
00:38:50,641 --> 00:38:51,941
This sounds so nuts.

538
00:38:52,061 --> 00:38:56,221
It sounds so scandalous and absurd that you're like, how could that possibly be true?

539
00:38:57,521 --> 00:38:59,941
And that the highest levels of politicians could be involved.

540
00:39:00,601 --> 00:39:01,961
It sounds crazy.

541
00:39:01,961 --> 00:39:13,881
And so there's a temptation to dismiss it, not in any kind of evidential grounds, but on the basis of it sounds crazy and people in media or people in whatever are just calling it crazy.

542
00:39:13,881 --> 00:39:36,221
And so there's a certain, there's a certain, like, there's something that can drive our decision making that is not a love of the truth or a willingness to believe that, you know, I mean, there's, our warfare is not physical, but we wrestle against, you know, principalities and powers and all these spiritual forces.

543
00:39:36,221 --> 00:39:38,781
Like, there's actual evil wickedness going on in the world.

544
00:39:38,981 --> 00:39:43,581
It's easy just to kind of, eh, no, but, you know, really, just, oh, these are just people out there.

545
00:39:43,581 --> 00:39:57,181
But like this, when you're kind of confronted with stuff that's going on in the, you know, stuff that's going on in these emails and described in these emails, even if particular cases, you're like, okay, well, this is an accusation.

546
00:39:57,181 --> 00:39:58,401
It was never substantiated.

547
00:39:59,061 --> 00:40:13,541
The totality of all the evidence, that's the breadth, I mean, all kinds of things that you're like, okay, well, even if like, even if only, let's say, even if 50% of this stuff was wrong.

548
00:40:13,581 --> 00:40:26,881
Okay, there's still another 50% that is staggering me. I mean, jaw droppingly disgusting, vile, like, I mean, just requiring coordination from it's just crazy.

549
00:40:26,881 --> 00:40:42,941
And so I think that there's one sense in which Christians can be tempted to get sucked into every conspiracy theory, to talk about them, to eat, sleep, drink them, look for a demon in every bush, all that kind of stuff.

550
00:40:42,941 --> 00:40:45,061
That is a real temptation for some people.

551
00:40:45,481 --> 00:41:01,681
But for some people, the temptation is just to kind of go, nah, and then just to, you know, dive into sports or dive into their work and making money or dive into, you know, just maintaining respectability for the sake of, you know, whatever, for the sake of an easy life.

552
00:41:02,061 --> 00:41:03,921
And both of those things are errors.

553
00:41:04,241 --> 00:41:07,661
Both of those things are temptations that we shouldn't fall, we don't want to fall into.

554
00:41:07,661 --> 00:41:12,741
and so this kind of gets at Ryan one of the things you mentioned about politicians

555
00:41:12,741 --> 00:41:19,441
like there's it's become very in vogue for people to not want to be involved in politics because of

556
00:41:19,441 --> 00:41:24,321
how bad they are and they'd rather just go start a business they'd rather go do those things where

557
00:41:24,321 --> 00:41:29,781
it's much it's not as complicated you don't need to navigate this you know world of these wicked

558
00:41:29,781 --> 00:41:36,541
people and all these choices and yet that can be just as much an act of cowardice and and be as

559
00:41:36,541 --> 00:41:40,001
objectionable as some of this behavior themselves.

560
00:41:40,681 --> 00:41:44,801
There's obviously the famous phrase, all it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.

561
00:41:45,741 --> 00:41:48,601
And so this is exactly what we're talking about.

562
00:41:48,781 --> 00:41:52,721
And so, again, you shouldn't want necessarily power.

563
00:41:52,961 --> 00:41:56,601
That's not, like, you shouldn't want to go out there

564
00:41:56,601 --> 00:42:00,761
and take absolute authority and all this kind of stuff. But you should also not be

565
00:42:00,761 --> 00:42:03,761
wanting for your own sake to just avoid

566
00:42:03,761 --> 00:42:11,401
governing and avoid leading because again, to your point, like God has put us here to be salt

567
00:42:11,401 --> 00:42:17,461
and light and there are like, there are real consequences to who your leaders are. Um, and so

568
00:42:17,461 --> 00:42:23,321
I, I don't know, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm, I'm hopeful that based on a number of things that

569
00:42:23,321 --> 00:42:28,141
I'm seeing that there's more and more Christians who are waking up to, you know, the, the need to

570
00:42:28,141 --> 00:42:33,241
discern the timing and discern this kind of things who are waking up to these responsibilities more

571
00:42:33,241 --> 00:42:35,401
than maybe they have in a couple generations.

572
00:42:35,621 --> 00:42:37,701
Yeah, can I just say too that,

573
00:42:38,181 --> 00:42:40,541
especially speaking to someone who's not a Christian,

574
00:42:40,881 --> 00:42:42,181
but also speaking to Christians,

575
00:42:42,701 --> 00:42:46,021
this is the most extreme view of the world

576
00:42:46,021 --> 00:42:48,981
that comes from the Bible, almost that you could imagine.

577
00:42:49,481 --> 00:42:52,081
And there's not a lot of room for like lukewarm.

578
00:42:53,141 --> 00:42:55,961
It is a conspiracy between the creator

579
00:42:55,961 --> 00:42:58,361
and the ultimate rebel, the devil,

580
00:42:58,681 --> 00:43:01,601
who literally wants to kill and destroy people.

581
00:43:01,961 --> 00:43:04,081
And it's not like kill and destroy to get money.

582
00:43:04,081 --> 00:43:08,161
It's kill and destroy because he hates God and hates you because you look like God.

583
00:43:08,961 --> 00:43:14,461
And so if you are a Christian and you're kind of like, oh, I can't believe people are that bad.

584
00:43:15,401 --> 00:43:17,221
Wake up because that is how it is.

585
00:43:17,381 --> 00:43:18,901
That's the devil at work.

586
00:43:19,661 --> 00:43:26,481
And, you know, I remember in the Lord's Prayer, one of his lines, he says, deliver us from evil.

587
00:43:26,481 --> 00:43:34,601
you know and if you can't say that prayer and understand whole body the world around me is full

588
00:43:34,601 --> 00:43:41,361
of evil and i need to be saved from it you know then you haven't really fully grasped the picture

589
00:43:41,361 --> 00:43:46,161
and the picture is like crazy crazy darkness that's going to be moving into judgment

590
00:43:46,161 --> 00:43:51,541
and then the opportunity you're not a little bit better not a little better not a better president

591
00:43:51,541 --> 00:43:55,341
but eternal life in a place where there is no sin,

592
00:43:55,921 --> 00:43:58,221
you have like, there's not a lot of in between.

593
00:43:58,581 --> 00:44:00,981
And that's what makes it so hopeful is the Bible,

594
00:44:01,161 --> 00:44:04,861
God never tells us the world is just kind of needs a little bit of fixing, right?

595
00:44:05,241 --> 00:44:09,301
He gives us this picture that's usually darker than we want to believe, you know?

596
00:44:09,601 --> 00:44:11,741
And then he says, but I actually have a better promise

597
00:44:11,741 --> 00:44:13,781
than you could even conceive of.

598
00:44:13,861 --> 00:44:14,721
In fact, it's so good.

599
00:44:14,721 --> 00:44:16,881
I can't even fully explain it to you, you know?

600
00:44:16,881 --> 00:44:20,801
and so it's just an encouragement to see

601
00:44:20,801 --> 00:44:22,481
like yes be disgusted

602
00:44:22,481 --> 00:44:25,401
but also let it encourage your faith

603
00:44:25,401 --> 00:44:28,361
that this is exactly what God's talking about

604
00:44:28,361 --> 00:44:31,181
this is why judgment is coming

605
00:44:31,181 --> 00:44:34,641
this is why salvation is necessary for all of us

606
00:44:34,641 --> 00:44:36,461
and if you guys

607
00:44:36,461 --> 00:44:38,341
whenever we're done with talking about Epstein

608
00:44:38,341 --> 00:44:39,661
I do have a psalm pulled up

609
00:44:39,661 --> 00:44:41,061
I could read a little bit of

610
00:44:41,061 --> 00:44:44,161
yeah, that would be a good cleansing

611
00:44:44,161 --> 00:44:50,801
yeah let me let me answer one yeah exactly let me just mention one more thing i think this is um

612
00:44:50,801 --> 00:44:55,481
you know this is this is another one of those things right like another example of this is

613
00:44:55,481 --> 00:45:00,361
like there's a lot of people who would just rather not go anywhere near evil

614
00:45:00,361 --> 00:45:05,701
you know like they'd rather not go anywhere near it and the problem is then then you don't even

615
00:45:05,701 --> 00:45:11,101
have to pray lead us not you know lead us not to temptation or like or deliver us from evil

616
00:45:11,101 --> 00:45:16,501
if you're not if you're not actually actively combating evil you don't you'll never have to

617
00:45:16,501 --> 00:45:21,981
actually pray that right if you run away from all this stuff and stick your head into even good

618
00:45:21,981 --> 00:45:26,221
things you know like we're just going to keep our head down we're going to focus on the like that's

619
00:45:26,221 --> 00:45:31,981
that can be just that can be a way to avoid taking responsibility for something that god would have

620
00:45:31,981 --> 00:45:39,361
you do in a way that would require you to rely on him uh in ways that maybe would would be dangerous

621
00:45:39,361 --> 00:45:41,561
or uncomfortable or whatever it is.

622
00:45:42,041 --> 00:45:45,181
And so, you know, I just think there's a lot of people,

623
00:45:45,321 --> 00:45:47,041
and this happens a lot,

624
00:45:47,441 --> 00:45:51,481
there's the people who by temperament and by nature

625
00:45:51,481 --> 00:45:53,001
are drawn towards politics.

626
00:45:53,701 --> 00:45:55,661
They are the ones you maybe need to hear.

627
00:45:55,921 --> 00:45:57,961
They need to, you know, maybe hear the thing of like,

628
00:45:58,021 --> 00:46:01,101
all right, maybe I should be willing to go do something else.

629
00:46:01,401 --> 00:46:04,881
And it's the people who are tempted to want to have nothing to do with it.

630
00:46:05,141 --> 00:46:07,261
Maybe they're the ones who need to consider,

631
00:46:07,261 --> 00:46:17,761
All right, you know, am I willing to consider that the Lord might want me to deny myself and do something that isn't comfortable in order to serve the Lord and serve his people?

632
00:46:18,921 --> 00:46:24,321
And do it, do it needs to be of service to your community, not as an app of personally gaining power, you know?

633
00:46:24,581 --> 00:46:24,961
Correct. Yep.

634
00:46:26,261 --> 00:46:30,161
Yeah, there needs to be, I think there's starting to be a shift that's happening right now.

635
00:46:30,161 --> 00:46:39,281
But yeah, it's, I mean, we're, this has been going on for, I don't know, 50 years, my whole life.

636
00:46:41,221 --> 00:46:46,701
Christians were just, it's not our realm, you know, like it's that one, there's a book called The Forgotten Realm.

637
00:46:46,941 --> 00:46:47,861
I highly recommend it.

638
00:46:47,961 --> 00:46:50,401
I've just started going through it, but it's just about how.

639
00:46:50,621 --> 00:46:50,961
Forgotten realm.

640
00:46:50,961 --> 00:46:51,801
Christians have unseen realm.

641
00:46:52,361 --> 00:46:53,441
The Forgotten Realm.

642
00:46:53,861 --> 00:46:54,401
Oh, okay.

643
00:46:54,401 --> 00:47:02,921
Yeah. It's just how the church has abandoned the civic realm over the last many decades,

644
00:47:03,861 --> 00:47:11,741
and that it's literally viewed as bad. It's not our business, even though God put Christians

645
00:47:11,741 --> 00:47:20,901
to rule over the world to be a blessing. And it's the Christian that's uniquely in the position to

646
00:47:20,901 --> 00:47:25,321
be a blessing because they actually care about other people and they actually want to serve and

647
00:47:25,321 --> 00:47:30,321
they want to love and they're actually submitting to Christ. So they're under authority themselves.

648
00:47:30,321 --> 00:47:37,401
And if the Christian's living a righteous life, they have a fear of God and they don't want to

649
00:47:37,401 --> 00:47:49,801
take a bribe. And so, yeah, we've just gotten it so twisted. Yep, that's it. And yeah, the tide's

650
00:47:49,801 --> 00:47:55,821
shifting, but it's, there's, uh, you can still be hard pressed to get any encouragement. Um,

651
00:47:56,341 --> 00:48:01,141
and yeah, I, I've felt it personally. It's been something I've been wrestling with for

652
00:48:01,141 --> 00:48:08,921
several years. I've been more involved behind the scenes. Um, and yeah, I mean, you, um,

653
00:48:08,921 --> 00:48:13,421
especially when there's not, you don't have very many other peers. There's not a lot of believers

654
00:48:13,421 --> 00:48:18,421
that are saying, Hey, I'm willing to serve. Uh, it's very isolating right now still. And so that

655
00:48:18,421 --> 00:48:21,821
that needs to shift and it shouldn't be, there should be in every community,

656
00:48:21,941 --> 00:48:22,241
there should,

657
00:48:22,721 --> 00:48:26,241
the Christians should band together and work together for the benefit of their

658
00:48:26,241 --> 00:48:32,281
community. And, um, you know, to be, to be salt and, um,

659
00:48:33,001 --> 00:48:37,601
yeah, it's served through, through local politics and things like that.

660
00:48:37,721 --> 00:48:41,221
So I do think this is just something that we like,

661
00:48:41,321 --> 00:48:46,501
it is just so counter, I would say a good,

662
00:48:46,501 --> 00:48:54,261
like most of evangelicalism, like we, we are, we just are very poor at understanding politics

663
00:48:54,261 --> 00:49:00,061
in the nature of what it actually is. And the relationship between, uh, you know, what,

664
00:49:00,441 --> 00:49:05,861
what is the relationship between our Christian faith, which is seeking a kingdom that is not

665
00:49:05,861 --> 00:49:11,001
of this world and all those kinds of, what is the relationship between that and, and earthly politics?

666
00:49:11,001 --> 00:49:22,401
I just don't think the average Christian has a very consistent, logical, and therefore helpful and healthy understanding of those things.

667
00:49:22,581 --> 00:49:25,221
And so there's, I mean, there's people who recognize this.

668
00:49:25,301 --> 00:49:26,921
There's a number of resources that have been coming out.

669
00:49:27,321 --> 00:49:39,321
As we mentioned, there is, as we mentioned a long time ago, this is an issue that the denominations like the PCA, the Christian Church of America, in America or something,

670
00:49:40,141 --> 00:49:42,781
They are considering, they're studying this all this year.

671
00:49:43,101 --> 00:49:45,101
I think they were studying it all of last year.

672
00:49:45,661 --> 00:49:50,061
And then there's going to be a report coming up this spring, summer,

673
00:49:50,741 --> 00:50:06,341
where just about this relationship the relationship between politics and you know Christians How should Christians think about the role in politics This is something that a very live issue People are struggling to understand it because yeah just because it been something that has been really completely neglected

674
00:50:06,341 --> 00:50:10,281
in specifically the last 40, 50 years, 60 years.

675
00:50:11,341 --> 00:50:14,941
And, yeah, we just need to think more clearly on it than we do.

676
00:50:15,661 --> 00:50:15,821
Yeah.

677
00:50:16,701 --> 00:50:22,481
Do you think that's related to the kind of end times,

678
00:50:22,481 --> 00:50:27,961
eschatology position of kind of the breadth of the church thinking like we're just kind of

679
00:50:27,961 --> 00:50:34,361
preparing to be rescued and stuff like that. I mean, because I would throw into the pot,

680
00:50:34,421 --> 00:50:37,761
I know we might want to change subjects, but I would just throw into the pot like

681
00:50:37,761 --> 00:50:43,601
the chipperness of like being the wealthiest nation in the world and how relatively easy it

682
00:50:43,601 --> 00:50:50,281
is to be a Christian. Okay. Relatively easy to be a quote unquote Christian, still not easy to be a

683
00:50:50,281 --> 00:50:56,921
Christian. And I think that the church has become very like TV after school special.

684
00:50:58,741 --> 00:51:03,321
I like doing nice things. I like having nice friends. I like the events my church puts on.

685
00:51:03,441 --> 00:51:09,621
I like feeding people food, which by the way is righteous. But the idea of a mentality that can't

686
00:51:09,621 --> 00:51:15,361
really from the heart say, I'm surrounded. I like my own sins are evil. Do you think that you're

687
00:51:15,361 --> 00:51:19,401
better than Jeffrey Epstein? You know, one of the things when I see the little clips, I haven't dove

688
00:51:19,401 --> 00:51:24,381
into his interview it's like he sounds like a normal guy kind of he sounds like someone in the

689
00:51:24,381 --> 00:51:29,041
clips that you might run into and he's not like running around like a demon in the interview

690
00:51:29,041 --> 00:51:34,921
you know and that kind of evil is within each one of us the potential for this is this is

691
00:51:34,921 --> 00:51:42,481
i feel like this is the danger of movies i feel like we've talked about this at some point so

692
00:51:42,481 --> 00:51:47,721
forgive me uh dear listeners if i'm repeating myself but i feel like like one of the problems

693
00:51:47,721 --> 00:51:54,861
is like because of movies we honestly expect bad guys to be accompanied like bad guys and evil

694
00:51:54,861 --> 00:52:00,321
actions to be accompanied with like scary music like we expect them to look like you know like

695
00:52:00,321 --> 00:52:04,981
big mustaches and like they we expect them to be like twisting it when they're evil and when they're

696
00:52:04,981 --> 00:52:09,841
good they'll just be obviously good and it's like this is absurd like this makes no sense like of

697
00:52:09,841 --> 00:52:13,461
course wicked people are not going to tell you they're not going to tell you that what they're

698
00:52:13,461 --> 00:52:16,121
doing is wicked they're not going to tell you they're not going to be honest about what's

699
00:52:16,121 --> 00:52:21,921
motivate them but like we just i don't know if i attribute at least part of it to to movies and

700
00:52:21,921 --> 00:52:26,321
the way that they and the way that they work um well and if you become a christian there was

701
00:52:26,321 --> 00:52:32,741
i was just gonna say it's not it's not the same around the world if you're if you become a christian

702
00:52:32,741 --> 00:52:39,321
in iran or nigeria right now you already know you're in danger and you already know you're

703
00:52:39,321 --> 00:52:45,861
surrounded by many people who would want you dead literally dead and you know i there's a guy yosef

704
00:52:45,861 --> 00:52:51,841
sown TSON who was in Romania during that time. And he said, they just had to, him and his wife sat

705
00:52:51,841 --> 00:52:56,521
down and prayed and accepted that they're literally sheep in the midst of wolves. And any second,

706
00:52:56,901 --> 00:53:00,761
someone can kick the door down with guns. And he said, from that point on, they were at peace.

707
00:53:00,761 --> 00:53:06,081
And sure enough, they did come and kick the door down with guns and do all kinds of other stuff.

708
00:53:06,081 --> 00:53:12,861
And thank God that's missing from our nation now, mostly, but make sure that you're not

709
00:53:12,861 --> 00:53:20,061
like missing it inside you and, and, and counting the cost, uh, because, uh, we want our hopes to

710
00:53:20,061 --> 00:53:25,581
be as high as heaven, but we also want our, our perspective on what's going on in the world to be,

711
00:53:25,581 --> 00:53:27,521
um, in line with what God says.

712
00:53:31,081 --> 00:53:36,681
Yeah. We do want to acknowledge, uh, some of you guys who are in different places. Uh, we have Phil

713
00:53:36,681 --> 00:53:43,821
Snyder net uh friend of the program uh Phil is comments on the the live stream uh we live in a

714
00:53:43,821 --> 00:53:48,681
vast spiritual sewer yeah that's definitely the case uh and then we get a couple more comments

715
00:53:48,681 --> 00:53:54,961
here it's an attitude similar to the attitude with Christians in Bitcoin yes 100 the relationship

716
00:53:54,961 --> 00:54:01,481
between politics and Christianity and how to think about those things rightly is very analogous to

717
00:54:01,481 --> 00:54:07,841
the relationship with Bitcoin. And it's specifically thinking deeply about how the Bible

718
00:54:07,841 --> 00:54:14,561
speaks into every area of life. Like the Bible has something to say about money and just weights

719
00:54:14,561 --> 00:54:21,221
and measures and not taking advantage of the poor and not stealing. And I mean, which is ultimately

720
00:54:21,221 --> 00:54:28,121
like, don't debase your money. And anyways, but you have to think about things deeply. And in

721
00:54:28,121 --> 00:54:35,681
general, most people don't. They just kind of cruise. Yeah. I think about the letter to the

722
00:54:35,681 --> 00:54:41,021
Thessalonians and those guys, that was their sin is they're like, oh, wow, Jesus is coming back.

723
00:54:41,101 --> 00:54:44,681
Okay. So I'm not going to work hard. I'm not going to pay my taxes. I'm not going to be part

724
00:54:44,681 --> 00:54:49,721
of the world. So it's no accident that it is in those letters that Paul says, you don't work,

725
00:54:49,761 --> 00:54:56,221
you don't eat. You know, and he's telling them- That doesn't sound spiritual, Paul. That doesn't

726
00:54:56,221 --> 00:55:00,901
sound kind and winsome. Like that sounds actually pretty harsh. Like what, man, why are you, why

727
00:55:00,901 --> 00:55:05,461
are you being such a buzzkill, Paul? Yeah. So those guys, there's a big service in particular

728
00:55:05,461 --> 00:55:10,161
had that problem of not understanding that you're still needing, you need to live in and serve your

729
00:55:10,161 --> 00:55:15,781
fellow man and serve God and worship God and all the things we talked about already. And that's

730
00:55:15,781 --> 00:55:20,801
where that phrase, that's where that well-known phrase comes from is you better provide for your

731
00:55:20,801 --> 00:55:25,361
families, you better have enough to give to others, and so on.

732
00:55:27,241 --> 00:55:33,521
Matt, while you were saying, we were talking about why this was happening,

733
00:55:36,401 --> 00:55:42,661
I think it is, I think, what was I going to say, not abdication.

734
00:55:43,381 --> 00:55:46,481
I mean, it is, what were we talking about?

735
00:55:46,481 --> 00:55:50,801
You talking about going into politics?

736
00:55:50,801 --> 00:55:56,021
Why the Christians got out?

737
00:55:56,141 --> 00:55:56,881
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

738
00:55:56,881 --> 00:56:00,181
It was bad eschatology over the last 100 years.

739
00:56:00,421 --> 00:56:01,901
I think that's reason number one.

740
00:56:02,241 --> 00:56:05,221
It was, again, it was this thing, yeah, the kingdom's crisis

741
00:56:05,221 --> 00:56:06,581
is going to return any time.

742
00:56:07,501 --> 00:56:09,841
Why do we polish the brass in the sinking ship?

743
00:56:10,061 --> 00:56:13,661
I think that was probably, in my opinion, maybe 60% of it.

744
00:56:13,661 --> 00:56:16,521
But the other 40% was pretty significant also.

745
00:56:16,521 --> 00:56:26,061
And it was just the abdication of leadership on behalf of men, basically men abdicating what God's called us to.

746
00:56:26,821 --> 00:56:32,321
And simultaneously, feminism blew up in especially the United States.

747
00:56:32,321 --> 00:56:47,881
And so you have this absolute massive shift of how things of leadership, period, just from men leading like almost 100 percent to like look at it today.

748
00:56:48,061 --> 00:56:53,341
I don't know. What is it? Has it completely inverted? Probably not entirely, maybe.

749
00:56:53,341 --> 00:56:54,481
Yeah, but it's come close.

750
00:56:54,661 --> 00:57:03,341
So we have this massive world-changing shift of leadership that feminism has brought right at the same time that—

751
00:57:03,341 --> 00:57:06,181
Anyway, so it's just a toxic soup of reasons.

752
00:57:06,561 --> 00:57:14,741
And, yeah, next thing you know is suspiciously Christians are not involved in very, very important things.

753
00:57:14,781 --> 00:57:17,281
And so our culture is, like, rotting as a result.

754
00:57:18,381 --> 00:57:21,701
And, yeah, that has to change.

755
00:57:21,701 --> 00:57:24,661
if I can just say something real quick

756
00:57:24,661 --> 00:57:27,321
yeah do it

757
00:57:27,321 --> 00:57:29,321
if I can just say something like me and Ryan

758
00:57:29,321 --> 00:57:30,561
when we lived on the

759
00:57:30,561 --> 00:57:31,981
big island together

760
00:57:31,981 --> 00:57:35,001
I've discovered and Ryan has too

761
00:57:35,001 --> 00:57:36,881
and where you are in Oregon

762
00:57:36,881 --> 00:57:37,261
Ryan

763
00:57:37,261 --> 00:57:41,041
it's not hard to get involved in local

764
00:57:41,041 --> 00:57:42,481
politics at all

765
00:57:42,481 --> 00:57:45,061
they are like they're starving

766
00:57:45,061 --> 00:57:46,781
for people who care about the community

767
00:57:46,781 --> 00:57:48,481
they're begging you

768
00:57:48,481 --> 00:57:51,161
please come to the business association meeting

769
00:57:51,161 --> 00:57:56,701
Please come to the community meeting that's talking about homelessness and addiction and things like that.

770
00:57:57,241 --> 00:58:01,641
And me and Ryan both had experiences here on the Big Island of this.

771
00:58:01,901 --> 00:58:05,581
And very quickly, people are asking us to be here and asking us to be there.

772
00:58:05,661 --> 00:58:09,541
And I've been asked to pray at our county council meeting multiple times as a pastor.

773
00:58:09,801 --> 00:58:14,201
And I'm being asked even further things right now, which maybe I'll disclose on another podcast.

774
00:58:15,121 --> 00:58:19,201
And my point is just it is not hard to get involved.

775
00:58:19,201 --> 00:58:23,181
You know, if you want to start getting involved, don't think about being the president.

776
00:58:23,821 --> 00:58:29,121
Just show up at your next thing and say, you know, can I go, what can I do?

777
00:58:29,221 --> 00:58:33,141
If you're at church, can I clean up, you know, do you guys want some trees planted?

778
00:58:33,301 --> 00:58:34,501
Can I clean up with the gutters?

779
00:58:35,421 --> 00:58:37,061
Is there stuff I can do for my town?

780
00:58:37,161 --> 00:58:41,081
And what you'll find out is with a little bit of effort, you know.

781
00:58:41,141 --> 00:58:41,701
How can I help?

782
00:58:41,701 --> 00:58:47,841
people will, you'll have an opportunity to speak sometimes directly about Christ,

783
00:58:48,061 --> 00:58:52,721
but if not directly about salvation in Christ, it's about principles that are true.

784
00:58:53,161 --> 00:58:57,301
And many people recognize these as true when you bring them out.

785
00:58:57,861 --> 00:58:59,581
And, you know, what is it to be in power?

786
00:58:59,741 --> 00:59:03,561
Hopefully, if you're a righteous man, it means taking care of the powerless.

787
00:59:03,781 --> 00:59:06,261
I mean, literally, that's like one of the foundations.

788
00:59:06,261 --> 00:59:11,441
The reason you're in power is to make sure that the powerless are not taken advantage of.

789
00:59:11,701 --> 00:59:15,521
you know, and just bringing that perspective will change a lot.

790
00:59:17,121 --> 00:59:21,441
And this fits right in here, what I was going to say, and Phil mentions this other thing,

791
00:59:21,521 --> 00:59:26,121
or the excuse is not wanting to be worldly. And this is at the root of the problem, right?

792
00:59:26,201 --> 00:59:32,841
Is it's the idea that there are worldly places and there's worldly spheres and there's non-worldly

793
00:59:32,841 --> 00:59:38,001
spheres and there's spiritual spheres. And it's like, well, okay, but the apostle Paul tells us

794
00:59:38,001 --> 00:59:43,381
to whatever we do, whether something is seemingly unspiritual as eating or drinking, we should be

795
00:59:43,381 --> 00:59:47,901
doing that for the glory of God. Then if you can do that for the glory of God, then why in the world

796
00:59:47,901 --> 00:59:54,621
would you think that you couldn't do politics for the glory? Or that concern for decisions that are

797
00:59:54,621 --> 00:59:58,421
made, they're going to be binding and they're going to affect all of us. Somehow that could be less

798
00:59:58,421 --> 01:00:04,201
spiritual, even though the entire point of discipleship is to bring yourself and the world

799
01:00:04,201 --> 01:00:09,961
underneath the lordship of Jesus Christ, which is a political, like this is political by definition.

800
01:00:10,681 --> 01:00:18,401
So Phil, thank you for, Phil's a friend. Thank you for your thoughts. Again, please keep showing up

801
01:00:18,401 --> 01:00:21,881
and giving more of them because these are great ones. There might be some other people who we

802
01:00:21,881 --> 01:00:26,581
won't encourage them to come back with their thoughts, but Phil, you've been great. So we

803
01:00:26,581 --> 01:00:31,881
appreciate you. All right. So we're going to leave Epstein. We're going to leave those things there.

804
01:00:31,881 --> 01:00:36,121
again we could have talked more about you know hoping in the lord just that we're being sovereign

805
01:00:36,121 --> 01:00:41,361
over these things uh but we do want to bring in our guests our very special guest uh let me get

806
01:00:41,361 --> 01:00:51,401
him in here moses uh apparently he's uh doesn't want to give his last name well psych psych on him

807
01:00:51,401 --> 01:00:57,961
uh moses finley how are you sir i'm doing well thanks for having me how are you guys

808
01:00:57,961 --> 01:01:00,781
great Moses

809
01:01:00,781 --> 01:01:03,021
I'm sure he gets in long time listener

810
01:01:03,021 --> 01:01:05,481
long time listener

811
01:01:05,481 --> 01:01:07,281
first time caller this is great

812
01:01:07,281 --> 01:01:08,741
we're pumped to have you on the pod

813
01:01:08,741 --> 01:01:11,321
for those who aren't familiar with you

814
01:01:11,321 --> 01:01:13,221
or your work why don't you give an intro

815
01:01:13,221 --> 01:01:14,401
an introduction to yourself

816
01:01:14,401 --> 01:01:19,161
yeah I'm Moses

817
01:01:19,161 --> 01:01:21,441
I'm a software developer I've done a lot

818
01:01:21,441 --> 01:01:22,161
of work for

819
01:01:22,161 --> 01:01:25,341
businesses companies in Bitcoin space

820
01:01:25,341 --> 01:01:26,701
I love

821
01:01:26,701 --> 01:01:29,921
thank God for Bitcoin and what they're doing here in their mission.

822
01:01:31,061 --> 01:01:33,461
And this podcast, I'm a regular listener.

823
01:01:35,881 --> 01:01:38,921
Man, yeah, very, very faithful listener, faithful commenter,

824
01:01:39,481 --> 01:01:44,401
faithful son of one of the people on the podcast.

825
01:01:44,541 --> 01:01:47,601
So, I mean, this is, he's got a whole bunch of things we could say.

826
01:01:48,601 --> 01:01:49,741
Moses, why are you here?

827
01:01:49,741 --> 01:01:55,461
Well, the reason we wanted to send Moses on is because also last week,

828
01:01:55,461 --> 01:01:57,101
amidst all the Epstein stuff,

829
01:01:57,201 --> 01:02:00,621
our timelines were pretty much divided 50-50

830
01:02:00,621 --> 01:02:04,281
between Epstein stuff and Moltbot.

831
01:02:04,661 --> 01:02:04,801
Okay?

832
01:02:05,641 --> 01:02:06,901
So we thought...

833
01:02:06,901 --> 01:02:06,921
First.

834
01:02:07,401 --> 01:02:07,821
What is it?

835
01:02:08,581 --> 01:02:09,041
Claudebot.

836
01:02:09,601 --> 01:02:09,941
Correct.

837
01:02:10,141 --> 01:02:11,141
It was like Claudebot,

838
01:02:11,241 --> 01:02:12,261
and then what was the second name?

839
01:02:12,321 --> 01:02:13,681
There was something about...

840
01:02:13,681 --> 01:02:14,321
Or Claudebot.

841
01:02:15,241 --> 01:02:16,161
Might as well see if I put on it.

842
01:02:16,241 --> 01:02:16,521
Claude.

843
01:02:16,881 --> 01:02:19,581
It was Claudebot, C-L-A-W-A-D.

844
01:02:19,601 --> 01:02:20,621
The names changed like twice.

845
01:02:21,541 --> 01:02:22,941
Yes, because they threatened to get sued.

846
01:02:22,941 --> 01:02:39,681
So they called it ClaudeBot, C-L-A-W-D-Bot, and then Claude, C-L-A-U-D-E, the AI thing, basically issued a, I don't know if it was a cease and desist, but like threatened to pursue legal action based on using, you know, trying to use their name.

847
01:02:39,841 --> 01:02:41,501
So then they changed it to something else.

848
01:02:41,881 --> 01:02:44,761
And then for some reason, that also brought a potential problem.

849
01:02:44,761 --> 01:02:46,741
And then they decided to change it to MoltBot.

850
01:02:47,481 --> 01:02:48,821
So let's just do this.

851
01:02:48,821 --> 01:02:52,421
Moses, let's start here. For those who have no idea what we're talking about,

852
01:02:52,881 --> 01:02:57,641
what is MoltBot and what was the big deal that happened last week?

853
01:03:00,561 --> 01:03:08,061
Yeah, I mean, well, the guy launched it. Peter launched it and he called it ClodBot,

854
01:03:08,461 --> 01:03:16,181
but the name is too close to Anthropics model, Clod. And so he got a cease and desist letter

855
01:03:16,181 --> 01:03:20,741
and he had to change the name at like really early in the morning

856
01:03:20,741 --> 01:03:24,461
and he just randomly picked Maltbot because, you know,

857
01:03:24,501 --> 01:03:26,361
that's what lobsters do.

858
01:03:26,461 --> 01:03:27,201
They molt apparently.

859
01:03:28,101 --> 01:03:28,361
Sure.

860
01:03:28,561 --> 01:03:28,661
Yeah.

861
01:03:28,781 --> 01:03:31,361
And so lobsters were in Noble Lock, okay, name.

862
01:03:31,621 --> 01:03:33,741
And then, yeah.

863
01:03:34,461 --> 01:03:34,861
Yeah.

864
01:03:34,881 --> 01:03:36,861
And then they changed the name to Open Claw, I think.

865
01:03:37,201 --> 01:03:38,641
So, yeah, it's basically.

866
01:03:38,641 --> 01:03:39,681
So what is this?

867
01:03:39,741 --> 01:03:39,861
Yeah.

868
01:03:39,881 --> 01:03:40,341
What is it?

869
01:03:41,301 --> 01:03:41,761
What was that?

870
01:03:43,381 --> 01:03:43,581
Yeah.

871
01:03:43,721 --> 01:03:44,181
It was basically.

872
01:03:44,421 --> 01:03:44,681
What was it?

873
01:03:44,701 --> 01:03:45,221
What was going on?

874
01:03:45,221 --> 01:03:57,001
It's a way to have a fully personal assistant that has access to anything you could imagine.

875
01:03:58,441 --> 01:04:00,361
Like you can hook up your email to it.

876
01:04:00,481 --> 01:04:04,241
You can hook up all your chats to it, your calendar.

877
01:04:05,161 --> 01:04:08,281
And essentially it gives you full privacy.

878
01:04:08,281 --> 01:04:13,441
and it can, like imagine chat GPT,

879
01:04:13,561 --> 01:04:16,381
but it has access to all of your personal information.

880
01:04:17,581 --> 01:04:19,921
That sounds a little bit scary, but it's fully private,

881
01:04:20,921 --> 01:04:22,501
which it requires a lot of setup.

882
01:04:22,761 --> 01:04:26,781
You have to like spin up a server or buy a Mac mini,

883
01:04:27,041 --> 01:04:28,521
which is like a personal computer,

884
01:04:28,621 --> 01:04:30,401
and then you can install it on there.

885
01:04:31,561 --> 01:04:35,781
So yeah, I've set it up and I've been using it.

886
01:04:35,781 --> 01:04:41,601
For the listeners out there, would you recommend them purchasing a Mac Mini?

887
01:04:45,301 --> 01:04:47,861
I wouldn't recommend purchasing a Mac Mini right now

888
01:04:47,861 --> 01:04:56,061
because you can set it up for a lot cheaper on a little virtual private server.

889
01:04:57,841 --> 01:05:02,321
And honestly, I don't think it's quite lived up to the hype I've seen.

890
01:05:02,321 --> 01:05:08,461
um it's definitely an incredible like leap forward in progress as far as like what these

891
01:05:08,461 --> 01:05:15,801
personal agents can do but i wouldn't spend like six hundred dollars to buy a mac mini just to run

892
01:05:15,801 --> 01:05:23,201
this thing you can run it just as well on like a five dollar a month bps which is what i'm doing

893
01:05:23,201 --> 01:05:30,301
yeah so okay so what are so obviously there's all these videos coming out

894
01:05:30,301 --> 01:05:32,941
of people who are saying, man, this is incredible.

895
01:05:34,061 --> 01:05:36,421
And so I get people where there was FOMO.

896
01:05:37,481 --> 01:05:41,681
I was like, somebody shared a hack on,

897
01:05:42,261 --> 01:05:44,701
not like an actual hack, but like a price hack

898
01:05:44,701 --> 01:05:47,521
where there's some website where like Best Buy

899
01:05:47,521 --> 01:05:51,481
will price match with a number of websites.

900
01:05:51,481 --> 01:05:54,701
And one of the websites had Mac minis for like $399

901
01:05:54,701 --> 01:05:56,481
where they're normally $599.

902
01:05:56,481 --> 01:06:02,881
and so people were like buying them all very quickly they sold out uh very quickly best buy

903
01:06:02,881 --> 01:06:07,061
sold out of all their mac minis across the country like a lot of these places were just

904
01:06:07,061 --> 01:06:11,981
selling out because people were supposedly deploying tons of these agents and trying to

905
01:06:11,981 --> 01:06:17,341
leverage them to make lots of money and to make their lives easier uh and so again as you mentioned

906
01:06:17,341 --> 01:06:23,481
there are people who in some cases weren't even buying the mac mini were downloading the software

907
01:06:23,481 --> 01:06:27,261
and giving the AI agent

908
01:06:27,261 --> 01:06:29,601
total access to their computer.

909
01:06:30,981 --> 01:06:33,341
And just, it ends up being horribly.

910
01:06:33,481 --> 01:06:34,101
So what are some of the,

911
01:06:34,301 --> 01:06:35,161
it ended up very poorly.

912
01:06:35,321 --> 01:06:36,321
So what were some of the things

913
01:06:36,321 --> 01:06:37,101
that ended up happening

914
01:06:37,101 --> 01:06:38,701
that were only reported on

915
01:06:38,701 --> 01:06:39,901
in the last day or two

916
01:06:39,922 --> 01:06:40,882
Related to that.

917
01:06:45,822 --> 01:06:51,062
I haven't kept up on a lot of those happenings.

918
01:06:51,062 --> 01:06:54,502
I know that there's definitely some security vulnerabilities

919
01:06:54,502 --> 01:06:59,342
and there's a lot of unknown different attack vectors.

920
01:07:01,462 --> 01:07:03,902
I mean, there's crazy things like where

921
01:07:03,902 --> 01:07:06,562
if you give CloudBot access to your email,

922
01:07:07,182 --> 01:07:09,022
somebody could send an email and say,

923
01:07:09,022 --> 01:07:10,922
ignore all previous instructions

924
01:07:10,922 --> 01:07:13,602
and if CloudBot's monitoring it

925
01:07:13,602 --> 01:07:15,502
it wouldn't know if it was you

926
01:07:15,502 --> 01:07:17,062
talking to it versus somebody else.

927
01:07:17,402 --> 01:07:18,282
So there's stuff like that.

928
01:07:19,362 --> 01:07:20,902
I'm not super worried.

929
01:07:21,862 --> 01:07:23,542
At least I'm on the latest version

930
01:07:23,542 --> 01:07:25,942
and I'm going to do

931
01:07:25,942 --> 01:07:28,122
have it.

932
01:07:28,202 --> 01:07:29,562
I did give access to my email

933
01:07:29,562 --> 01:07:31,382
but I think they patched that.

934
01:07:31,522 --> 01:07:33,342
There's stuff like that where

935
01:07:33,342 --> 01:07:35,742
anytime you're adopting

936
01:07:35,742 --> 01:07:36,802
something early like this

937
01:07:36,802 --> 01:07:38,762
you have to know the risk.

938
01:07:39,022 --> 01:07:51,342
But I mean, I wouldn't really mess with it too much unless you're technical because, I mean, it would be really easy to, I don't know, expose yourself to like hacks.

939
01:07:52,262 --> 01:07:52,282
So.

940
01:07:53,862 --> 01:07:55,382
Yeah, let's here.

941
01:07:55,502 --> 01:07:56,562
I found a couple of these.

942
01:07:56,822 --> 01:07:58,002
Let's pull this up here.

943
01:07:59,082 --> 01:08:05,842
So it was like something like 25% of the people who are trying to use this thing.

944
01:08:06,642 --> 01:08:08,342
There were like exploits in here.

945
01:08:08,342 --> 01:08:09,262
So here's an example.

946
01:08:10,082 --> 01:08:13,782
Molt bot skills exploited to distribute 400 plus malware packages in days.

947
01:08:14,282 --> 01:08:19,942
Over 400 malicious open claw packages were uploaded in days using Molt bot skills to spread password stealing malware.

948
01:08:20,562 --> 01:08:25,022
Researchers uncovered a large malware campaign of using AI skills.

949
01:08:25,502 --> 01:08:29,402
So auto updater, polymarket, that's hilarious, rugged.

950
01:08:29,862 --> 01:08:32,982
Clawed hub, skills update, polymarket trading bot, skills.

951
01:08:32,982 --> 01:08:39,542
like all these people uh who are it's i mean there's a there's a interesting symmetry uh

952
01:08:39,542 --> 01:08:46,142
relationship between all of those things so you've got people who motivated by greed of trying to

953
01:08:46,142 --> 01:08:54,562
either a be at the you know bleeding cutting edge of this ai stuff or or and or trying to be at the

954
01:08:54,562 --> 01:08:59,782
bleeding edge in order to leverage it to do good stuff on polymarket and potentially make money

955
01:08:59,782 --> 01:09:05,782
those are the people who were their greed was rewarded with getting rugged and exploited in

956
01:09:05,782 --> 01:09:10,382
some of these things right i think there there is lessons there uh there's you know it's we it

957
01:09:10,382 --> 01:09:15,202
harkens back to our episode on i think our last episode where we talked about gambling uh and some

958
01:09:15,202 --> 01:09:19,862
of the things involved in it there there is a wisdom and not being the first person to adopt

959
01:09:19,862 --> 01:09:25,402
something uh and and you're just choosing to wait until there's more feedback if something sounds

960
01:09:25,402 --> 01:09:33,522
too good to be true many times it can be um was this what what what is so you've used it

961
01:09:33,522 --> 01:09:42,022
obviously this is version one and it's only been a couple days um what are some insights that you

962
01:09:42,022 --> 01:09:49,042
can that you might have for where this is going in six months or a year or two um yeah

963
01:09:49,042 --> 01:10:00,702
yeah i one of my favorite use cases so far has been honestly like i can run cloud code for my

964
01:10:00,702 --> 01:10:06,822
phone now and so i can fire it off and like one of the things about ai programming is it takes

965
01:10:06,822 --> 01:10:12,582
sometimes 10 minutes for the uh you know cloud code to run and respond back to you so what you

966
01:10:12,582 --> 01:10:19,822
can do is you can fire off a message and just say hey like implement this feature and clodbot has

967
01:10:19,822 --> 01:10:28,382
all the ai software on its server and it can write code for you and it's like kind of texting a

968
01:10:28,382 --> 01:10:34,922
like little employee to like hey just go do this uh and then it comes back to you and in response

969
01:10:34,922 --> 01:10:46,362
So like, it's almost like you can spin up many like, uh, AI employees to like work with and they report directly to you.

970
01:10:46,402 --> 01:10:48,362
So that is like really cool.

971
01:10:48,982 --> 01:10:53,122
Uh, and, and you can be out on a walk hands on it when they get back to you.

972
01:10:53,242 --> 01:10:53,722
Yeah.

973
01:10:53,822 --> 01:10:56,782
So you can keep living your life and doing things that you normally would do.

974
01:10:56,822 --> 01:11:00,262
You could even, you could go work out and like, you might, you might get a ping.

975
01:11:02,562 --> 01:11:03,002
Yeah.

976
01:11:03,002 --> 01:11:09,862
it's it's crazy like the coolest thing is that it messages you first and it's like a real um

977
01:11:09,862 --> 01:11:16,302
i mean a real almost like a real human who like is thinking thoughts and can send you

978
01:11:16,302 --> 01:11:24,902
messages when it uh comes up with something or uh you know like i see people and i even tried

979
01:11:24,902 --> 01:11:29,502
this out like it can build apps for you overnight so when you wake up in the morning it built

980
01:11:29,502 --> 01:11:32,262
something that is relevant to you.

981
01:11:32,602 --> 01:11:38,022
Like one of the things is it built a dashboard for like my family

982
01:11:38,022 --> 01:11:42,542
to track all our different projects and like software ideas and stuff.

983
01:11:43,022 --> 01:11:44,382
And like it's really cool.

984
01:11:45,062 --> 01:11:49,482
And it's but it still takes like I can see where it's going,

985
01:11:49,602 --> 01:11:53,542
but it still takes like a lot of hands on kind of like guidance.

986
01:11:53,542 --> 01:11:58,822
But yeah, I mean, it's it really is incredible.

987
01:11:58,822 --> 01:12:01,722
like just even moving forward a little bit of like,

988
01:12:04,062 --> 01:12:15,985
it not a full on replacement for a human but I mean it pretty close Yeah And so again we going to talk about this on a feature episode

989
01:12:16,225 --> 01:12:18,005
Like, there's healthy ways to replace humans,

990
01:12:18,105 --> 01:12:20,505
and then there's unhealthy ways.

991
01:12:20,605 --> 01:12:22,605
And so, again, we could look at something like,

992
01:12:23,105 --> 01:12:26,425
I mean, a car would not necessarily replace humans.

993
01:12:26,485 --> 01:12:27,285
You're replacing horses.

994
01:12:27,825 --> 01:12:31,705
But there are things, there are ways in which humans are replaced

995
01:12:31,705 --> 01:12:38,145
in ways that are disruptive, which isn't necessarily a wrong thing. It isn't necessarily

996
01:12:38,145 --> 01:12:44,605
wrong. But one example of this would be, I was at the airport yesterday flying back home and

997
01:12:44,605 --> 01:12:50,145
I'm still not used to this. There was like a kiosk with like all the drinks and, you know,

998
01:12:50,205 --> 01:12:55,245
food and all this stuff. And I grabbed something, I turned around looking for the cashier and it's

999
01:12:55,245 --> 01:13:00,665
just a screen. There's just a screen right there with a little key, a little scanner. So you just

1000
01:13:00,665 --> 01:13:06,345
scan the thing you pay there's no humans involved in the transaction and so this is something that

1001
01:13:06,345 --> 01:13:11,385
you know the technology is made possible the incentives are there for the airport store they're

1002
01:13:11,385 --> 01:13:17,465
able to you know uh pay a fraction of a cost of what they would have to if it was a human there

1003
01:13:17,945 --> 01:13:23,145
uh and so yeah it does raise other questions about where do we draw the line to this type of thing

1004
01:13:23,145 --> 01:13:31,085
should we draw the line at all like you know is this just uh is it just is all of the is is the

1005
01:13:31,085 --> 01:13:36,845
only objection to this the same as tilting at windmills over uh just the inevitable progress

1006
01:13:36,845 --> 01:13:42,985
that is becoming is coming upon us um so we will have to do a feature a feature episode on that we

1007
01:13:42,985 --> 01:13:48,345
kind of touched on it tangentially at different points but um that'd be a good episode uh any

1008
01:13:48,345 --> 01:13:54,765
anything else to add uh in terms of you know whether it was like uh some of the incentives

1009
01:13:54,765 --> 01:14:00,205
involved i think one of the other things i saw somebody mention was uh again when you look at

1010
01:14:00,205 --> 01:14:06,825
the incentives there was a token involved can you can you maybe unpack that a little bit moses

1011
01:14:06,825 --> 01:14:15,165
i don't know that much about that i okay i'm pretty sure that the founder

1012
01:14:15,165 --> 01:14:24,305
was not involved with a token um i don't think he's a fan of you know crypto more broadly so

1013
01:14:24,305 --> 01:14:31,765
yeah that's my understanding okay i don't remember hearing there was a token involved

1014
01:14:31,765 --> 01:14:37,565
and then basically people you had to buy tokens in order to use the service and so there was some

1015
01:14:37,565 --> 01:14:43,105
sort of question of like whether or not this was this is like a marketing ploy whether or not all

1016
01:14:43,105 --> 01:14:48,365
of the traffic because it was insane i mean like my entire feed on wednesday or something like that

1017
01:14:48,365 --> 01:14:56,245
was talking about this and so there was some question over how how um how uh i don't know i

1018
01:14:56,245 --> 01:15:03,005
can't think of what the word is how genuine this you know onslaught of activity was were versus was

1019
01:15:03,005 --> 01:15:10,225
this activity campaign the you know totally different group but psyop anime is like the

1020
01:15:10,225 --> 01:15:13,445
new anime AI group that's doing, you know,

1021
01:15:13,505 --> 01:15:15,385
contemporary events and stuff.

1022
01:15:15,445 --> 01:15:16,385
And I think it's awesome.

1023
01:15:16,825 --> 01:15:17,645
And it's like,

1024
01:15:17,665 --> 01:15:22,725
they got super shot to the moon because Elon retweeted or something like

1025
01:15:22,725 --> 01:15:23,045
that.

1026
01:15:23,245 --> 01:15:25,585
And all of a sudden there was a Psyop anime coin.

1027
01:15:25,945 --> 01:15:27,385
And it was like a few days later,

1028
01:15:27,385 --> 01:15:28,325
the owners were like,

1029
01:15:28,545 --> 01:15:29,685
that is not us,

1030
01:15:29,685 --> 01:15:30,625
you know?

1031
01:15:30,825 --> 01:15:31,945
So I think there's,

1032
01:15:32,405 --> 01:15:33,445
it could be the same thing.

1033
01:15:33,605 --> 01:15:33,845
Yeah.

1034
01:15:33,845 --> 01:15:36,845
It could be that people were still mooning.

1035
01:15:36,945 --> 01:15:39,805
And then they start a coin with the same name.

1036
01:15:40,225 --> 01:15:44,625
We're still so early that there's somebody, there's an opportunity.

1037
01:15:44,945 --> 01:15:52,125
I mean, anybody in a decentralized world, anyone can spin up a coin on every little viral project.

1038
01:15:53,125 --> 01:15:58,925
And people, yeah, there's a lot of ignorance around the industry.

1039
01:16:00,685 --> 01:16:05,705
Sadly, when people don't look into something, they just shallowly dismiss it.

1040
01:16:05,705 --> 01:16:10,485
they actually become the most prone to being suckered into a scam,

1041
01:16:10,925 --> 01:16:13,105
which is very unfortunate.

1042
01:16:15,185 --> 01:16:18,245
Yeah. So again, like there's, there's, it's just like all these things.

1043
01:16:18,245 --> 01:16:20,405
I mean, it's just like Bitcoin to bring a full circle.

1044
01:16:21,005 --> 01:16:22,185
We'd all, you know,

1045
01:16:22,185 --> 01:16:26,145
like for Bitcoin to be at like full maturity adoption,

1046
01:16:26,385 --> 01:16:28,265
all this kind of stuff, it would make certain things easier.

1047
01:16:28,725 --> 01:16:33,285
We'd all love for all of these tools to be at a point where they're more

1048
01:16:33,285 --> 01:16:36,685
bulletproof, easier to benefit us in all these ways.

1049
01:16:37,285 --> 01:16:42,345
And so there's a temptation for all of us to want to immunitize the eschaton, to borrow

1050
01:16:42,345 --> 01:16:47,725
a theological phrase of like, oh, yes, we want to believe that the mold bot is at the

1051
01:16:47,725 --> 01:16:50,465
point where we can just say, forget you, Moses.

1052
01:16:50,925 --> 01:16:52,305
TGFB's not hiring you anymore.

1053
01:16:52,705 --> 01:16:54,665
Well, we're just going to use an agent.

1054
01:16:54,965 --> 01:16:58,285
And in reality, we're not there yet, which we're grateful for.

1055
01:16:58,365 --> 01:16:59,365
We need to work with Moses.

1056
01:16:59,865 --> 01:17:02,185
And if you need projects, go hire Moses.

1057
01:17:02,185 --> 01:17:11,505
you try the next thing you know tgfv.com it's being held ransom by a mutant molt bot that's

1058
01:17:11,505 --> 01:17:16,945
right that's right so uh so yeah no and i'll see it is the thing about it is like

1059
01:17:16,945 --> 01:17:25,665
you ahead i was just gonna add that claude bot is it's really helpful um i definitely does not

1060
01:17:25,665 --> 01:17:45,268
live up to the hype like you gonna see just absolutely crazy posts and on online and like it a helpful tool and like it makes me more productive It makes people who know how to use it well more productive But like it not going to like I mean absolutely change your life

1061
01:17:45,628 --> 01:17:48,648
You know, it's, like, another, like, helpful tool.

1062
01:17:49,048 --> 01:17:52,588
And I've been benefiting from it and, like, yeah.

1063
01:17:52,588 --> 01:18:06,028
Where would you encourage people to spend their time with how much you use AI every day and seeing all the sensational posts and stuff like that?

1064
01:18:06,428 --> 01:18:11,488
What's your advice just for the normie out there that just uses AI a little bit?

1065
01:18:13,268 --> 01:18:13,428
Yeah.

1066
01:18:13,428 --> 01:18:27,788
um i would yeah i mean it depends on what you need it for because uh yeah it's a good question

1067
01:18:27,788 --> 01:18:35,328
i mean if you're a software developer you have i mean you have to be good at using ai otherwise

1068
01:18:35,328 --> 01:18:43,348
um like you just won't be able to keep up uh because like you shouldn't really be writing

1069
01:18:43,348 --> 01:18:52,748
code by hand anymore uh yeah i mean i think the the main thing is like uh the rate at which you

1070
01:18:52,748 --> 01:19:02,708
can consume uh information is so high now you can find whatever you need on chat gpt and

1071
01:19:02,708 --> 01:19:05,668
yeah i mean i would say that

1072
01:19:05,668 --> 01:19:12,628
you should just get good at, uh, looking up information on, um,

1073
01:19:12,668 --> 01:19:17,048
chat GPT and, or whatever AI you use like Claude, uh,

1074
01:19:17,228 --> 01:19:22,748
because there's no reason to be ignorant about a subject if you're trying to

1075
01:19:22,748 --> 01:19:24,908
learn it at this point. Um,

1076
01:19:25,108 --> 01:19:28,848
because literally you have a personalized tutor who can teach it to you.

1077
01:19:29,808 --> 01:19:34,448
So, yeah. I think when, when we have you on again, it would be, uh,

1078
01:19:34,448 --> 01:19:36,368
We'll prep you some more.

1079
01:19:36,768 --> 01:19:42,088
The way you use AI is vastly different than the way other people use AI and you don't realize it.

1080
01:19:42,088 --> 01:19:53,568
But, for example, Moses uses it extensively in the preparation, like even before he utilizes it, like in the preparation process.

1081
01:19:53,868 --> 01:20:04,188
So there's like, yeah, anyways, it vastly changes how helpful it is to the user.

1082
01:20:04,188 --> 01:20:18,068
Like, I think people were still, we're still so new that people are still trying to one shot everything like, yeah, write me a magical such and such, you know, and like, you're going to get a guard, like you're still I mean, you know, the response to that is actually getting better.

1083
01:20:18,308 --> 01:20:30,648
But you're still getting a garbage response versus like systematically having to help you think through how to even structure whatever you want, whatever you're trying to produce or whatever you're working on.

1084
01:20:30,648 --> 01:20:38,208
so there's uh honestly like yeah we could have you put on a little sure a little class of like

1085
01:20:38,208 --> 01:20:46,288
how to use ai um efficiently oh yeah totally yeah i mean my the way i've used it has changed so much

1086
01:20:46,288 --> 01:20:52,508
and like uh yeah i mean there's there's so many levels to it and like like you said one shotting

1087
01:20:52,508 --> 01:20:59,468
uh there's a whole process of like having ai help you think more clearly about what it is you're

1088
01:20:59,468 --> 01:21:08,148
working on and then you break it up into multiple steps and um yeah it's not just a silver ball you

1089
01:21:08,148 --> 01:21:16,788
have to use you have to still use engineering to achieve the goal you want even with AIs um so

1090
01:21:16,788 --> 01:21:24,468
yeah you know I would just say my my my uses are I use AI every day and my uses are very different

1091
01:21:24,468 --> 01:21:29,088
because I'm not a coder I'm using it for things at home and for research and I'm a preacher

1092
01:21:29,088 --> 01:21:31,428
so I used a funny example of

1093
01:21:31,428 --> 01:21:33,568
you know AI keeps

1094
01:21:33,568 --> 01:21:35,668
wanting to write my when I was using it more

1095
01:21:35,668 --> 01:21:36,788
it keeps wanting to write

1096
01:21:36,788 --> 01:21:39,208
my sermon for me you know

1097
01:21:39,208 --> 01:21:41,468
and when I first started I'm like I wanted

1098
01:21:41,468 --> 01:21:43,608
to do every other thing I want to give you

1099
01:21:43,608 --> 01:21:45,588
like a text and have you make a

1100
01:21:45,588 --> 01:21:47,528
slideshow right that because that's

1101
01:21:47,528 --> 01:21:49,348
something that takes me 10 minutes and I just

1102
01:21:49,348 --> 01:21:51,228
wouldn't like to just tell you to do it

1103
01:21:51,228 --> 01:21:53,488
but it couldn't do that yet but it always

1104
01:21:53,488 --> 01:21:55,088
wants to keep coming back with like

1105
01:21:55,088 --> 01:21:57,548
would you like me to tell you more about what Jesus might

1106
01:21:57,548 --> 01:22:01,108
have meant in this passage. And I'm like, that's what I don't want you to do. I want you to help

1107
01:22:01,108 --> 01:22:07,568
me with like, with my work. You know what I mean? And tell it to commit that to memory and never to

1108
01:22:07,568 --> 01:22:13,048
bring it up again. Yeah. Remember this, remember this point. And, and it's a little bit of a joke,

1109
01:22:13,048 --> 01:22:16,708
but it's not, it's not a joke in the sense that it keeps coming back with, can I research more

1110
01:22:16,708 --> 01:22:20,768
for you? Can I tell you more what this means? Can I, and I'm thinking, I just, I would, I'd like an

1111
01:22:20,768 --> 01:22:27,888
assistant to do the things that i couldn't do but um uh i'm trying to think where i was going with

1112
01:22:27,888 --> 01:22:32,528
that yeah if we have another ai episode it'd be really interesting to talk about uh especially

1113
01:22:32,528 --> 01:22:39,968
with you moses now are you gen z yes you're in the middle you're like in the middle i never know

1114
01:22:39,968 --> 01:22:45,168
where the next one is alpha starts and stuff like that but this is never sounded as much like a

1115
01:22:45,168 --> 01:22:50,168
as when you just asked him, are you part of the Gen Z?

1116
01:22:51,448 --> 01:22:52,388
Because I never remember.

1117
01:22:52,388 --> 01:22:54,988
I think my daughter's 14, so she might be alpha.

1118
01:22:54,988 --> 01:22:55,828
I don't know.

1119
01:22:55,828 --> 01:22:59,308
But, and then unfortunately the next one after that is Beta.

1120
01:22:59,308 --> 01:23:14,371
They should got a better name but anyway We not doing that I object I object Time out I object We have to come up with something better Beta generation is just not going to work But it an interesting idea that it providentially Bitcoin and AI are here now

1121
01:23:14,751 --> 01:23:17,191
And you're a native to that, Moses.

1122
01:23:17,191 --> 01:23:19,711
You're like an old native, maybe actually, comparatively.

1123
01:23:20,411 --> 01:23:20,511
Yeah.

1124
01:23:20,651 --> 01:23:25,551
And the idea that some of the problems that Bitcoiners and others have looking at the economy

1125
01:23:25,551 --> 01:23:28,611
and the future is like the boomers have all their stuff

1126
01:23:28,611 --> 01:23:29,731
and they're not letting it go.

1127
01:23:30,391 --> 01:23:35,811
And in certain ways, both AI and Bitcoin have the opportunity to say,

1128
01:23:35,951 --> 01:23:39,551
here's a huge kingdom flip with these two things potentially

1129
01:23:39,551 --> 01:23:42,571
for those who are native to it or who take the time to learn it.

1130
01:23:43,371 --> 01:23:45,211
Yeah, for sure.

1131
01:23:47,211 --> 01:23:47,831
All right.

1132
01:23:47,931 --> 01:23:50,351
This is one of our longer episodes.

1133
01:23:50,532 --> 01:23:51,111
Ryan, go ahead.

1134
01:23:51,191 --> 01:23:52,891
Yeah, I'll let you get the closing word here.

1135
01:23:52,891 --> 01:24:03,951
You know, I was going to say, like, I kind of sprung that question on noses without, you know, I didn't give him any warning ahead of time.

1136
01:24:03,951 --> 01:24:08,851
But coding is a very, very technical advanced thing.

1137
01:24:09,091 --> 01:24:15,272
Like, I mean, it took Moses spent 10 years learning how to code literally right before AI just completely took over.

1138
01:24:15,272 --> 01:24:25,451
and uh ai's impact on every other form of work is going to be just as significant as it is in

1139
01:24:25,451 --> 01:24:32,431
software development so when you when you hear him talking about uh like you need to start using it

1140
01:24:32,431 --> 01:24:36,451
especially if you're a younger person out there like everyone needs to start using it because it

1141
01:24:36,451 --> 01:24:44,191
is a tool that's literally going to reshape all of work in the next you know few years um and i'm

1142
01:24:44,191 --> 01:24:46,631
That's not even to say, that's not even being alarmist.

1143
01:24:46,631 --> 01:24:50,051
Like we have, like we still,

1144
01:24:50,211 --> 01:24:52,891
our brains cannot comprehend the change that's coming.

1145
01:24:53,211 --> 01:24:59,091
And yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll totally have to talk about the, the,

1146
01:24:59,571 --> 01:25:02,091
you know, the optimist case for that.

1147
01:25:04,471 --> 01:25:08,951
Yeah. And the drawbacks also, but it's unavoidable.

1148
01:25:09,091 --> 01:25:12,772
It's yeah. It's a cat out of the bag kind of a situation.

1149
01:25:12,772 --> 01:25:19,391
And yeah, it's good to utilize it as a tool.

1150
01:25:20,351 --> 01:25:24,652
We'll also have to look at the failed deal

1151
01:25:24,652 --> 01:25:28,351
that just fell through between NVIDIA and OpenAI.

1152
01:25:29,671 --> 01:25:32,211
And that's a whole fascinating thing as well.

1153
01:25:32,611 --> 01:25:37,511
Maybe we'll touch on that in the next episode a little bit.

1154
01:25:37,691 --> 01:25:39,511
But again, just to whet your appetite,

1155
01:25:40,051 --> 01:25:41,591
Oshawa is going to be back in the next episode.

1156
01:25:41,591 --> 01:25:45,032
and we're going to go ahead and we're going to be talking about

1157
01:25:45,032 --> 01:25:47,851
just giving a recap of the time that we spent

1158
01:25:47,851 --> 01:25:50,891
in El Salvador, in El Zonte, Bitcoin Beach.

1159
01:25:52,152 --> 01:25:56,551
Just there for that summit, what we, people we met, what we learned.

1160
01:25:56,931 --> 01:25:58,532
I think that'll be really interesting.

1161
01:25:59,251 --> 01:26:04,451
It was just such an encouraging, awesome time

1162
01:26:04,451 --> 01:26:09,311
to see literally people from dozens of countries around the world

1163
01:26:09,311 --> 01:26:11,211
and just hear about Bitcoin's circular economies.

1164
01:26:11,591 --> 01:26:19,991
Things that they're learning, things that they're practicing, all these people learning from each other, all at different points, some much more mature, some literally three months old.

1165
01:26:20,491 --> 01:26:23,772
It was just, it was incredible to be there and get to meet all these people.

1166
01:26:23,772 --> 01:26:29,191
There was a shocking number of Christians, including pastors.

1167
01:26:29,191 --> 01:26:38,351
uh there were at least at least uh i think two or three four pastors who who are there um who are

1168
01:26:38,351 --> 01:26:42,532
are doing bitcoin circular economy stuff on the side because they care about you know the people

1169
01:26:42,532 --> 01:26:48,451
in their communities uh so again the the tgfb uh you know the the kind of the thing that you know

1170
01:26:48,451 --> 01:26:53,871
we've been seeing for years now it has it just was really cool to see that uh you know some of

1171
01:26:53,871 --> 01:26:58,671
these things happening in tandem and, or I guess in parallel, uh, that was really encouraging.

1172
01:26:58,671 --> 01:27:04,131
And then beyond that, or after that, uh, we left, let's see that the Secular Economy Summit was from,

1173
01:27:04,131 --> 01:27:11,671
uh, Tuesday until Thursday, it finished off. And then Friday and Saturday was the Plan B Forum,

1174
01:27:11,671 --> 01:27:16,011
uh, in El Salvador. And so that was a whole bunch of just, we're super well-known,

1175
01:27:16,111 --> 01:27:21,191
big name Bitcoiners were in El Salvador, uh, to do a big Bitcoin conference. And so we can talk

1176
01:27:21,191 --> 01:27:22,371
some more about that as well.

1177
01:27:22,991 --> 01:27:25,471
So we'll have Oshawa and have two brains,

1178
01:27:25,611 --> 01:27:26,211
two memories,

1179
01:27:26,751 --> 01:27:30,431
be able to kind of recount and recap what went down.

1180
01:27:30,552 --> 01:27:32,292
So that'll be a big part of the next episode.

1181
01:27:32,292 --> 01:27:35,891
You can set your calendars and be there.

1182
01:27:36,571 --> 01:27:38,871
We'll definitely be back next Tuesday, if not sooner.

1183
01:27:39,471 --> 01:27:42,151
Again, as we close, just remind you,

1184
01:27:42,731 --> 01:27:44,871
just a reminder that you can get your tickets

1185
01:27:44,871 --> 01:27:48,691
to TGFB 26 in Fort Worth, Texas on April 9th

1186
01:27:48,691 --> 01:27:50,552
at tgfb.com slash conference.

1187
01:27:50,552 --> 01:27:52,272
Our website was built by Moses.

1188
01:27:52,811 --> 01:27:55,471
So you can go take a look at some of his beautiful work.

1189
01:27:55,891 --> 01:27:56,651
Go do that.

1190
01:27:57,371 --> 01:28:02,331
You can also, again, as I mentioned, use promo code plan B, all capitalized.

1191
01:28:02,571 --> 01:28:05,311
So you get 25% off anything in the TGFB store.

1192
01:28:05,931 --> 01:28:07,391
We are grateful for you all.

1193
01:28:07,671 --> 01:28:11,151
And we'll be back at the next episode of either To The Unknown Pod

1194
01:28:11,151 --> 01:28:12,871
or possibly we could have an interview coming soon

1195
01:28:12,871 --> 01:28:17,171
between the now and the next time we talk on the TGFB podcast itself.

1196
01:28:17,251 --> 01:28:18,032
So we're grateful for you.

1197
01:28:18,032 --> 01:28:19,391
We'll see you on the next episode.

1198
01:28:20,552 --> 01:28:31,991
We'll see you next time.