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Oh, what a day. I'm sure it is in the fine mountains of Utah. Folks, we are live. Welcome

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back to episode 19 of To the Unknown Pod. My name is Jordan Bush. I'm the executive director of TGFP

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Media. We exist to help Christians understand and use Bitcoin for the glory of God and the good of

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people everywhere. Today, we are not joined by Oshawa from Portland, but we are joined by a

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couple of the finest Presbyterians I've ever had the pleasure of meeting. So I'll let them introduce

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themselves. I'm Tim Fox, Executive Director of the Magnolia Foundation. I'm a Presbyterian

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minister at Magnolia. We're trying to orange pill the church, help churches and Christian

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ministries understand Bitcoin and hold on to it and use it. And I am Jim McAndrew. I'm a

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deacon in the Presbyterian Church in America with Tim. And I am a software developer, technologist,

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investor, entrepreneur, and I do tech support at Magnalia. I think you need to shill. What's your

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day job? What's your other tech support job, Jim? I run a company that is software for drones,

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but not the military industrial complex. It's DroneLink.com. Go check out Jim. Go find out

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what he does. It's very fascinating. Uh, speaking of shilling, the first thing we're going to open

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up with is we have four days left, a mere four days. We're at 95% funded on our kid's book,

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the orange umbrella. We are thrilled to get this thing over the line. Two years of work,

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way too long. Uh, we wrote the whole thing without AI. We illustrated the whole thing without AI,

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uh, found a fine, um, just Jesus loving girl who, uh, who just is an incredible artist and did this

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whole thing. So we are 117 backers. We are just under $600 away from our goal. We are super anxious

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and excited to get that over the line. So if you want to be the one who brings us past the $12,500

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mark, that would be incredible. There's an abbreviated shill. We're going to stop the

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shilling right there because today we have something far more thrilling to talk about.

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And that is, man, did anybody else see this bonkers Peter Thiel, Ross Douthit interview?

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My words.

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I just could not believe it.

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For those of you who aren't aware, Peter Thiel, venture capitalist, one of the founders of PayPal, has money.

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One of the founders of Palantir, a number of other Lord of the Rings named businesses that are semi-dystopian.

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sat down for an interview with Ross Douthat, who's a New York Times contributor, famous Roman Catholic,

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really interesting guy. Go read his work. They sat down and had one of the most unhinged conversations

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that I've ever seen. So we're going to just kind of talk about that. And that's why,

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if you look at the title, again, you might be thinking to yourself, who in the world would not

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want the human race to continue, or who could have a doubt about whether or not they wanted the human

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race to continue well, my friends.

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Apparently Peter Thiel does.

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Let's take a look at this video.

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Let me share this.

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Here we go. You would prefer the human race

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to endure, right?

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You're hesitant.

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Yes? I don't know. I would...

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I would...

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There's so many

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questions. Shouldn't the human race

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survive?

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Yes.

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I also...

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would, I also would like us to radically solve these problems.

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And so, you know, it's always, I don't know, you know, yeah, transhumanism is this, you

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know, the ideal was this radical transformation where your human natural body gets transformed

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into an immortal body.

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and there's a critique of let's say the trans people in a sexual context or i don't know trans

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bestite is someone who changes their clothes and cross dresses and a transsexual is someone where

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you change your penis into a vagina and we can then debate how well those surgeries work but

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we want more transformation than that it's the critique is not that it's weird and unnatural

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It's so pathetically little.

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And we want more than cross-dressing or changing your sex organs.

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We want you to be able to change your heart and change your mind and change your whole body.

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And then Orthodox Christianity, by the way, the critique Orthodox Christianity has of this is these things don't go far enough.

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Like the transhumanism is just changing your body, but you also need to transform your soul.

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You need to transform your whole self.

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And so, um, right. But the other, wait, wait, wait, sorry. I, I generally agree with your,

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what I think is your belief that religion should be a friend to science and ideas of scientific

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progress. I think any idea of divine providence has to encompass the fact that we have progressed

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and achieved and, and done things that would have been unimaginable to our ancestors. But it still

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also seems like, yeah, the promise of Christianity in the end is you get the perfected body and the

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perfected soul through God's grace. And the person who tries to do it on their own with a bunch of

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machines is likely to end up as a dystopian character. All right. Let's just let this breathe

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a little bit. Okay. So again, they're sitting here talking about transhumanism. They're talking

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on what this looked like. And, and I mean, I'm sure you have just so many things that we could

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talk about, but I mean, what a wild, what a wild thing that Peter Thiel has to think of how he

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wants to answer the question, do you want the human race to survive? And then to kind of start

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talking about, yes, we do want to survive, but we want it to change in terms of, we want to move

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transcending the body then trying to ground that somehow theologically which we haven't even gotten

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to that that part yet but tim tim help us make help us make sense of this please right yeah i

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mean it's the under duress finally having to admit yes but then says yes but but but but but

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and then goes on to talk about some really freaky deaky stuff in terms yeah you know it sounds like

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he's basically saying well yes but only insofar as it is a preliminary stage to something

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better and something different.

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thing that's better.

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which is radically different than what he's talking about.

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I think he may profess to be a Christian in some form, but I mean, this idea is not, you know, totally unheard of that humans don't deserve to survive or that they're a cancer on the earth.

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I mean, in some ways, people really don't like the Christian doctrine of original sin, that humans are born fundamentally sinful and twisted and under God's judgment.

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But in some ways, with things like this, there's a sort of recognition of the fact that there is something gross about humans and there's something wrong.

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Most kind of contemporary people think that's really old-fashioned to think that.

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But then to turn around and say, well, we shouldn't continue existing, in some ways is a kind of implicit recognition of something like the Christian doctrine of original sin.

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that something's wrong with us.

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Something is deeply wrong with us.

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by that than what he's saying.

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it's like people pluck out the,

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okay, people are born into sin

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as if that was somehow the initial state.

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As if like, why would God then,

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like they just, people would object to like,

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why would God make a world where everyone's sinful?

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Like, and you're like, no, no, no.

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the first two chapters before that, where it's like, no, no, God didn't make a world where everyone

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got, this wasn't God's initial design in a real sense that we would, there would be a world of sin.

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And so it's just like, it's, I've, I've interacted with people who would, would raise that objection.

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And you're just like, but wait, you, you can't just cherry pick parts of the story and then just

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straw man them and beat them down. It's kind of like, no, you have to kind of see the full arc.

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just kind of cherry picking

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speaking in such a way that I

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to this but like what seemed to be are you

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are you like putting the carpet before the horse you're trying

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to like did you start with this

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presupposition this misunderstanding of

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of you know what

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the perfecting of human souls

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and perfecting of humanity what this

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process is going to look like and who's going to do it

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and that's why you're building these companies or are you trying to build these companies

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you know to because you think that that's going to help some i don't know i'm just super confused

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as far as like where what is it who is influencing he's really uh influenced by gerard um like renee

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gerard that's kind of there's you can find articles online about how um like he's talked about like

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the scapegoat and he's like talked about a number of these things he's he's a thoughtful guy he's

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actually i if i'm not mistaken he is a big funder of first things the the journal first things i

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could i could be wrong but for some reason i i really think he is um player and elon were both

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part of the paypal mafia yeah a lot of these ideas come from that small group of guys that were

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early 2000s in the bay area yeah elon has stated things like humanity is like a consciousness

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bootloader or an intelligence bootloader for the next iteration i don't i think what they kind of

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wave their hands and say it's not really about the physical form it's about consciousness and they

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don't really define what consciousness is but they just say it kind of takes one to know one

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and consciousness is a good thing and it would be horrible if you know we were the only light

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of consciousness in the universe and it got snuffed out which is part of the reason why

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elon is doing spacex is because he wants to get us off this planet so consciousness doesn't get

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snuffed out but the whole thing kind of falls apart right because it's like it can't really

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define what consciousness is or why it's special and how it can exist separate from an actual body

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that we've been given by a creator yeah yeah so peter he he definitely funds first things first

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things is like a very thoughtful uh christian uh journal of of articles there's a bunch of a bunch

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of good stuff in there um he's written he's written a number of things he's spoken about his faith uh

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he's practicing homosexual on top of that so it is this interesting uh just a real interesting

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kind of eclectic uh thinker and in person in in general i mean he was obviously been one of a large

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funder for conservative politics and conservative causes on to a certain degree but then also is

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working towards transhumanism which is i mean about as far from conservatism as you can imagine

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um let's unless any of you have have anything else let's finish watching this little uh this

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other little clip where things get even more wild uh likely to end up as a dystopian character

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Well, uh, it's, let's, let's articulate this.

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And you're going to have a heretical form of Christian, right?

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That says something else.

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I, I think the word nature does not occur once in the Old Testament.

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And so, uh, you know, if you, if you, you know, um, and there is, you know, there is

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a word in which, which the way I understand, you know, the,

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you know, the Judeo-Christian inspiration is, it is about transcending nature. It is about

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overcoming things. And, you know, and the closest thing you can say to nature is that people are

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fallen. And that's a natural thing in a Christian sense is that you're messed up. And that's true.

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But, you know, there's some ways that, you know, with God's help, you are supposed to transcend

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that and overcome that tim i'll let you take the first crack at that what are your thoughts

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um yeah i don't know i mean his weird dodge about the old testament doesn't use this word nature

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um i haven't dug into i was just starting to pull up my my bible software to start

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digging around on this i mean uh in some ways you know the greek language you know is quite

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different than the Hebrew language, and you shouldn't expect to see one-to-one. I was going

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to go back and look and see where and how this word pops up in the Greek translations of the

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Old Testament that you get a few decades before Jesus. But it's a weird dodge, because the New

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Testament certainly talks about it, and famously or infamously, Romans 1, Paul talking about

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homosexuality being against nature.

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And nature, biblically, not just being a way of describing the way things are,

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but also a way of describing what things are moving toward and what they should be.

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And in some ways, this raises the million-dollar question,

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what is our purpose?

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Is our purpose to endlessly upgrade ourselves by way of technology?

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And God just says, well, as long as you upgrade yourself somehow or evolve yourself somehow, that's all good.

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It is interesting that he says that we're naturally fallen.

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I mean, in some ways, that's true theologically, at least as we exist now and the world exists now.

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But sin is not proper to who we are.

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There's nothing essential to humanity about sinfulness.

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Jesus was not sinful, but he was the most human human who's ever lived.

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and one day,

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there will be,

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millions and billions

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and trillions of people

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who will not be sinful.

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redeem them from sin

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but they will still

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be human

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there is a funny thing.

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something about

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the future's not going

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to be like the past.

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I don't know what he's getting at

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reformed Protestant theology,

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there's an emphasis on

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the state of redemption

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not just being a return to the Garden of Eden,

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but a transcendence of it.

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That Adam and Eve,

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by rebelling against God,

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their upgrade, so to speak,

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to something that would have been much better

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oh yeah, heaven is just going to be like

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going back to the Garden of Eden.

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actually it's something better than what adam and you've had in the garden of eden and so there is

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a sense in which uh peter thiel is kind of onto something of hey we will move on to something

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greater but the million dollar question is how you do that and what exactly will it be is it just a

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matter of technological power and knowledge you know i think far more than knowledge or power

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although we'll certainly know more and i think we'll be a lot more powerful much more than those

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things. It's, it is about wisdom. It is about knowing God. It's about seeing God. It's about

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being with God far more than it is about our capabilities as a species, you know, supposedly

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evolving into something better. Yeah. There's a, there's a famous, a famous, like contemporary

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Christian music, a musician named Phil Wickham, and he's got a song where he, the, the chorus is

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basically like, I want it. It goes like, I want it like it was back then. I want to be in Eden.

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and it's this whole, it's like a really sappy song.

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But so the kernel of truth there is,

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I want to be with God.

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I want to have unbroken fellowship with God.

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Ooh, great.

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Like we're with you.

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Like that's great.

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At the same time, to your point,

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there's a number of theologians

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who basically are saying like God's prohibition,

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just like all of God's, most of God's prohibitions,

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the prohibition of taking the fruit

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was not a forever prohibition.

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It was a temporal prohibition.

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And once they passed the test, God's, you know, role, God's design for them and desire for them was that at some point they, when they reach maturity, they would take the fruit and they would, you know, join him.

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And there's a, you know, an understanding that that is something that will happen, you know, at the end, we will be with God in the garden, we'll have unbroken fellowship with him.

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And, but it is really interesting to try to, to think that that's something to be obtained by oneself rather than something that, rather than that being something that is attained for us by Jesus, which I think is what the, what Orthodox Christians, small Orthodox Christians would say.

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I mean in the Garden of Eden

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right after they sin

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he's like we gotta

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get them out of here

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so they can't

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take the tree of life

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it would be a horrible judgment

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like allowing us to die

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almost like a mercy

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transhumanism is

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at its core

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trying to get around this curse and around this limitation that God put on us we have a limited number of years They would couch it sort of in the language of

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oh, it would be so horrible if, you know,

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intelligence or consciousness got snuffed out.

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But really, they just want to live forever,

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and they want to do it on their own terms.

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And so it's at odds with Christianity.

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It's a religion, basically.

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If you don't believe in an afterlife,

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If most of these people are atheists, it sounds like Peter has some sort of belief in at least part of what the Bible says.

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But most of the people that are wrapped up in it are pretty staunch atheists or at least agnostic.

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And so they're turning to the transhumanism to be immortal.

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He said it himself.

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Is it Brian Johnson?

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Who's that creepy guy?

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Brian Green, maybe?

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Trying to live forever?

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Yeah, like sucking his son's blood.

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Like real weird stuff going on there.

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well I mean the pope of transcommunism is Ray Kurzweil you know he's the guy that's talking

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about the singularity all the time and that's where AI comes into things right because it's like

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essentially and this is why Elon's doing Neuralink is they kind of view AI as creating

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the next version of intelligence and it'll be godlike and the only way for us to

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continue on with it is to be able to merge with it somehow with our intelligence and

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I just don't see this at all.

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And that's how it's going to be.

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We're going to be humans.

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Jesus is a human still.

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He's got a real body sitting at the right hand of God the Father right now.

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So, yeah.

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Again, I really think that's an important thing here.

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I mean, as Christians, it's not that we don't see, you know, like it's not that there aren't issues or aren't problems that need to get dealt with.

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But, you know, God has ways and God has means.

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God has manner, he has ways of dealing with these things and he has a timeline.

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And so again, this is, this is somewhat, this is related to my, it's pretty clear that God

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doesn't want us to create our own immortality.

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That's the whole point of Jesus dying on the cross for us.

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Yeah, correct.

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And then, and then on top of that, like so much of this, again, we can just bring it

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back to like Bitcoin stuff.

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Like so much of this is only possible because you have effectively unlimited money that's

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created out of thin air to pursue all of these insane things. Like if you actually, if we actually

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had scarce money, you know, there wouldn't be just all of this money just to play with.

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You know, it's this coming at great sacrifice to future generations of, again, ironically,

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it's similar to the Brian Johnson thing, right? Like this is God intended parents to lay down

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their lives for children. And like the nature of sin in so many ways is basically forcing your

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children to die for you. Like this is one of the, one of the problems with abortion is a functional,

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You make your child die so that you can live whatever life you want.

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Brian Johnson literally is making his son give him his blood and platelets so that he can rejuvenate himself.

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It's a very spiritual thing that's happening, spiritual in a negative way.

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But yeah, these are religious actions.

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This is dogma.

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uh there's a whole eschatology that's built in here uh which like an understanding of how things

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are going to end uh in in pursuit of those things so yeah this is we're getting into into some wild

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space here okay well i have a question for you guys um so you know human progress in technology

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raises all kinds of ethical questions uh bovink he's a theologian that i like a lot he talks about

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how one thing that makes humans unique with relationship to angels on the one hand or

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animals on the other hand is that there is a sense in which humans develop and they progress

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while still remaining essentially human. In other ways, we are quite different than people who lived

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thousands of years ago, technologically, culturally, socially. In some ways, Boving talks about part of

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the human mandate from Eden onward is to endlessly kind of unfold God's

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creation and bring it into greater and greater conformity to him and increasing

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kind of,

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reflection of his image and his character.

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you know,

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you could take that in some really weird ways and go the Peter Thiel route of,

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you know,

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therefore,

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you know,

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just let it rip and,

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you know,

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any kind of progress is therefore fine.

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you know,

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sometimes I've heard people push back and they say,

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okay, so there's things Christians are not supposed to do, or humans are, it's off limits for them,

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and you shouldn't be playing God. You know, what about a pair of glasses? You know, you are

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improving your vision. You're fixing your eyes, so to speak, by means of technology.

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Are you refusing to submit to God as your eyes start to degrade if you get a pair of glasses?

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How would you guys help people navigate these questions of where's the line between playing God?

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You know, say, you know, we all kind of know there's probably a line somewhere of like, hey,

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you just need to let yourself die at some point ethically instead of endlessly doing whatever you

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can to extend your life but there's a lot of things that we do that probably too many of our

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ancestors would look like wow you guys are really playing god and you know like um you know we were

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just talking about somebody who's gone through this crazy bone marrow transplant this kind of

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resurrection like experience of having all of your bone marrow reboosted somehow but i don't know how

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do you guys help people navigate that in terms of what's playing god what's not um what does it

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look like to submit to god say especially around issues of the end of life uh you want to jump in

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or you want me to jump in before jim i i mean there's like kind of two categories in my mind

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one is sort of more of a relative idea of to what how much of your resources and how much

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of time and energy are you having to expend to sort of do this thing obviously we have technologies

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available to us today that are unimaginable even just 100 years ago they're just totally common

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place like we're just going to eat some penicillin or whatever and it'll knock out the

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bacteria inside of us or and we don't get an infection we don't die and it costs nothing so

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like i think that's fairly straightforward like yeah sure go ahead and do it but it's like if

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you're sitting on three million dollars of retirement savings or something and you're just

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going to burn the whole account down so you can live another six or 12 months it's probably not

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the best use of those resources for long-term generational kingdom-minded work um to get an

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extra six months and especially if you're like bedridden you have no quality of life i mean i

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I don't know, maybe there's like special circumstances, but to me it's, so it's like this

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continuum of something that costs next to nothing to it costs everything, right?

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Um, the needle has got to be somewhere in between.

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And then the second category of things is, is what you're doing, fundamentally changing

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the nature of what you are or sort of how you think or how your mental process works.

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I mean, even just the idea of like uploading your brain into a computer and then running

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it at 10,000 times speed, you know, it's like, so I, it's like, it's still me maybe

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somehow, even though I don't have a body, but now I'm able to live for 10,000 years

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in the same time that other people experience one year,

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like I think you sort of become,

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it dehumanizes you at that point.

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You can't really interact with other human beings anymore

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in any reasonable way.

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I mean, if you think about it,

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like if you're trying to record a podcast

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and you're this entity that runs its brain

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at 10,000 times faster than everybody else,

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like even just this string of sentences

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that I've been saying for the last two minutes

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would feel like two months to this thing.

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And it just doesn't,

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you've become fundamentally and categorically

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like something different, right?

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And I don't think that's what God intended for us to be.

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I do think there,

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when we get to the new heaven and the new earth

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and we get glorified bodies,

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we will feel more human than we've ever felt.

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And when we look back at what it was like to live

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as humans in this world

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and under sort of the reign of sin,

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it'll, we'll look back

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and just feel like, man,

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we were only like 1% humans.

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Like this is what it's really like

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to be a human, you know?

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And there'll be like

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some sort of vibrancy to it.

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It's like we were living in black and white

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and now we're living in color.

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I think C.S. Lewis has a lot of these

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analogies in his books.

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So I think if you're sort of like

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trying to turn the dials on that

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and change something

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with respect to like

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space and time

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and how fast you can run

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and how intelligent you are

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and things sort of become

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orders of magnitude different

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than where you're currently at,

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you have crossed some sort of line.

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Having said that,

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like if Elon comes out

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with the Geordi visors

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and I can see infrared spectrum

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or something like that,

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I don't know.

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I think that's pretty cool.

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I'm cool with that.

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Or restoring people's vision.

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Like that's pretty cool.

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Yeah, I think the thing where I would start, there's a couple ways that I would parse this. Tim, would this be considered casuistry or is that something slightly different?

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I don't know. It depends what kind of casuistry we're talking about. Sometimes it's fun and sometimes it's crazy.

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Yeah. So basically casuistry is basically trying to apply ethical principles, like trying to apply biblical principles to ethics as far as I'm understanding.

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And you're basically trying to like triangulate what is, what is okay to do in certain situations.

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The topic of ethics is like super fascinating to me.

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It has become fascinating in the past few years.

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Oliver O'Donovan, I don't know if you're familiar with any of his work.

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If you're watching at home and ethic interests you, go grab Oliver O'Donovan.

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He's written a ton of books.

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He's an Anglican guy, one of the most respected political philosophers today.

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uh and so i i think like one of the the first question that i would that i would ask is like

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uh am i sitting like in in trying to figure out should i pursue something so

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in in the case of um you know in the case of the person who's uh trying to who's got you know

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needs glasses or whatever how should i think about should we just should this person just

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be content with the with their lot in life god has given them this weakness uh should we just

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tell them to be content with that. I think there's reason to believe no. One of the reasons would be,

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I mean, for example, Luke was a physician. God heals, like God frequently heals people. He

457
00:29:50,804 --> 00:29:56,824
recognizes that in a sinful world, there's consequences to that, and yet God overcomes

458
00:29:56,824 --> 00:30:02,944
them. And one of the ways that we can be like God is by imitating him in these ways, by using

459
00:30:02,944 --> 00:30:09,144
things that are in his world and, you know, manipulating them, working them to be able

460
00:30:09,144 --> 00:30:09,624
to help people.

461
00:30:09,964 --> 00:30:14,764
I think that the big governing principle of this would be, again, so to say it negatively

462
00:30:14,764 --> 00:30:15,804
would be, am I sinning?

463
00:30:15,884 --> 00:30:19,484
To state it positively, it would be, am I loving God and am I loving my neighbor?

464
00:30:20,484 --> 00:30:27,344
Am I, is the way that I'm, both what and how I'm considering acting in alignment with the

465
00:30:27,344 --> 00:30:34,604
priorities and the ways that God has laid out that he wants people to act. So in the case of

466
00:30:34,604 --> 00:30:41,704
transhumanism, you're having to get, in order to do this, so much of this is based on so much debt.

467
00:30:41,824 --> 00:30:47,964
A lot of these guys are getting, they have all these stock and there's all this debt that's based

468
00:30:47,964 --> 00:30:53,344
in, they're enabled to do all these things because they're able to get so much debt and they have so

469
00:30:53,344 --> 00:30:58,504
much money that's built on debt. They leverage themselves. Elon's doing this. So the reality of

470
00:30:58,504 --> 00:31:04,344
this is that in order to get this kind of debt, you fundamentally have to steal. And so there's a

471
00:31:04,344 --> 00:31:08,644
large extent to this where I would say, well, a lot of this is just ruled out because the only

472
00:31:08,644 --> 00:31:12,904
way it's possible is because you're stealing. You shouldn't have the ability to do the things

473
00:31:12,904 --> 00:31:19,684
that you're considering because you don't have the resources to do them. So am I sinning? That'd

474
00:31:19,684 --> 00:31:23,004
be, that'd be one thing. The positive framing would be, am I loving God and am I loving my

475
00:31:23,004 --> 00:31:27,804
neighbor? So the question would be, why, why do you want to do what you're going to do? If you're,

476
00:31:27,904 --> 00:31:34,184
if you're considering, if you're trying to fight off death because you're for yourself to the

477
00:31:34,184 --> 00:31:38,864
example that Jim talked about, where you have 3 million bucks, you've got family, whatever you,

478
00:31:39,044 --> 00:31:42,004
you know, think that all things being equal, you're probably going to die within six months.

479
00:31:42,424 --> 00:31:47,804
You can either blow all that money to try to make some last ditch effort to survive, or you can,

480
00:31:47,804 --> 00:31:54,344
you know, die in six months and then leave that to them, leave that to, you know, gospel ministry,

481
00:31:54,504 --> 00:32:00,844
leave that to whatever. If the reason why you're pursuing whatever it is, is because of fear

482
00:32:00,844 --> 00:32:07,064
or because of trying to, you know, you're afraid of, you know, whatever, sinfully afraid,

483
00:32:07,144 --> 00:32:11,204
you're trying to avoid death, you're trying to, you know, whatever it is, that's actually

484
00:32:11,204 --> 00:32:16,704
an indication you shouldn't be doing it. I think that that'd be one thing. Now, on the other hand,

485
00:32:16,704 --> 00:32:25,164
But again, if you're sitting here and you're a physician and you see this person who's struggling, they can't see, and you're thinking, man, I want to love my neighbor.

486
00:32:25,904 --> 00:32:27,464
I want to care for this person.

487
00:32:27,604 --> 00:32:28,584
I have these resources.

488
00:32:28,744 --> 00:32:30,204
What can we figure out about the I?

489
00:32:30,504 --> 00:32:33,624
What can we figure out how to use the things that God has created?

490
00:32:33,764 --> 00:32:46,044
And just coming in with the presupposition that God intends us to take the things that he's made and transform them in ways that do honor and serve him and do honor and love our neighbor.

491
00:32:46,044 --> 00:33:06,784
I think like some of these presuppositions can actually lead you to basically want to and have the expectation and the presupposition that within the world, God has put things that are there to be transformed and can be used to be a blessing to people to alleviate suffering in a number of different ways.

492
00:33:09,084 --> 00:33:10,664
There's a comment in the chat.

493
00:33:11,644 --> 00:33:16,004
God doesn't want us to live long, healthy lives, but rather short lives with diseases.

494
00:33:16,044 --> 00:33:18,184
I don't think that's what we're saying.

495
00:33:18,424 --> 00:33:19,564
Tim, do you want to address that one?

496
00:33:20,904 --> 00:33:26,524
No, I think what we are saying is that God has,

497
00:33:27,064 --> 00:33:29,804
everything we do is ultimately under God's authority

498
00:33:29,804 --> 00:33:33,644
and that God has kind of delegated his responsibility to us,

499
00:33:33,904 --> 00:33:35,504
but there are strict limits.

500
00:33:36,944 --> 00:33:40,064
Tolkien, in his famous lecture on fairy tales,

501
00:33:40,224 --> 00:33:44,804
says basically the heart of the fairy tale is the ban, the prohibition.

502
00:33:44,804 --> 00:33:46,804
there are certain things that you must not do.

503
00:33:47,224 --> 00:33:52,204
And most fairy tales revolve around people crossing that line or bumping up against it somehow.

504
00:33:53,124 --> 00:33:55,424
And again, this is why we're talking about this.

505
00:33:55,564 --> 00:34:00,484
There is a wisdom, there's a lot of wisdom needed, but there's a lot of gray areas here.

506
00:34:00,604 --> 00:34:06,184
What is the line between the kind of improvement in life that God blesses and commands

507
00:34:06,184 --> 00:34:13,584
that Christians, of all people, should be deeply interested in improving life for their neighbors?

508
00:34:13,584 --> 00:34:21,884
That's what Jordan's talking about of how do I make things better for people in the same way that God does that for us and gives those things to us.

509
00:34:22,044 --> 00:34:31,004
But at the same time, there is a line somewhere where you can't try to become God by defeating death.

510
00:34:31,204 --> 00:34:34,724
Only God can defeat death ultimately, and all of us will die.

511
00:34:35,844 --> 00:34:37,144
There's no escape from death.

512
00:34:37,144 --> 00:34:52,064
And what we're concerned about with the Peter Thiel stuff is that I think technology and computers and AI and space travel and all these things can give us the illusion that we now have the ability to defeat things that humans have never defeated.

513
00:34:54,224 --> 00:35:06,384
But almost certainly this will lead to much worse outcomes and God will, if nothing else, pull a Tower of Babel and foil our plans and it'll be much worse than it was.

514
00:35:06,384 --> 00:35:15,864
I mean, there's a lot of this in Tolkien, there's a lot of this in C.S. Lewis, kind of human hubris, trying to fly really close to the sun, so to speak, leading to disaster.

515
00:35:16,444 --> 00:35:25,644
And I think there is an element of, especially around kind of end-of-life questions, there is an element of submitting to God and accepting what he has given you,

516
00:35:25,644 --> 00:35:32,624
and accepting that we are sinful and fallen, even if, as Christians, we are redeemed and forgiven.

517
00:35:32,624 --> 00:35:42,464
there is still a profound frailty to life and a weakness and death at the end of all of it

518
00:35:42,464 --> 00:35:48,504
as something that God, even as Christians, still calls us to submit ourselves to instead of endlessly fighting against it.

519
00:35:49,204 --> 00:35:55,024
But that doesn't mean death's a good thing, suffering's a good thing, we should all just be happy to suffer and die.

520
00:35:55,104 --> 00:35:55,704
No, of course not.

521
00:35:56,324 --> 00:36:00,664
Biblically, you lament suffering, you lament death, you hate death.

522
00:36:00,664 --> 00:36:05,584
Jesus wept, you know, bitterly at the tomb of his friend, Lazarus. Jesus was terrified in the

523
00:36:05,584 --> 00:36:11,064
Garden of Gethsemane to go to the cross. But ultimately with Jesus, you learn to say, you know,

524
00:36:11,104 --> 00:36:14,744
not my will, but yours be done. And death, like Martin Luther says, for the Christian, death

525
00:36:14,744 --> 00:36:19,064
becomes your friend because it's the gateway to paradise, even though it's still terrible and it's

526
00:36:19,064 --> 00:36:23,564
awful. And yeah, that's what I would, that's what I would answer, how I would answer Sopranos fan 11

527
00:36:23,564 --> 00:36:29,404
is like God, God wants to, you know, he, we, he will deliver us from suffering. He does not want

528
00:36:29,404 --> 00:36:35,504
suffering. And so for the Christian, death does, you know, it is a gracious thing where God allows

529
00:36:35,504 --> 00:36:40,364
suffering to end. And then we, you know, we enter into his presence and we get to be with him and

530
00:36:40,364 --> 00:36:44,844
are delivered from suffering. Another thing, further, maybe complicating this a little bit,

531
00:36:44,844 --> 00:36:56,164
is that God does, he does both seemingly design certain things. He designs things and permits

532
00:36:56,164 --> 00:37:02,704
things to be used in ways in suffering that maybe he wouldn't under normal circumstances.

533
00:37:02,704 --> 00:37:20,468
So one of the things obviously there tons of prohibitions against drunkenness in scripture This is clear We should not live in wanton drunkenness This is not good And yet in the Proverbs we basically hear that wine is for the suffering One of the benefits of drunkenness

534
00:37:20,468 --> 00:37:27,128
is that it can help somebody who's in desperate pain. It can help numb some of that pain for them.

535
00:37:27,508 --> 00:37:32,988
That's obviously a means to this larger end. That's a desire. The goal is to love your neighbor

536
00:37:32,988 --> 00:37:37,088
and help them face these last days

537
00:37:37,088 --> 00:37:39,068
and minimize their suffering.

538
00:37:40,148 --> 00:37:41,628
At the same time, this should not,

539
00:37:41,668 --> 00:37:42,728
and this is why we're Christians,

540
00:37:42,848 --> 00:37:45,328
we don't fight against pain medications

541
00:37:45,328 --> 00:37:46,668
or things like this.

542
00:37:47,248 --> 00:37:49,048
But I still think this is,

543
00:37:49,148 --> 00:37:50,648
it can be a slippery slope for people

544
00:37:50,648 --> 00:37:51,808
who are like, see, see,

545
00:37:52,168 --> 00:37:55,448
like here's this thing that's used in an illicit way

546
00:37:55,448 --> 00:37:57,508
and that's a justification for wanting to,

547
00:37:58,068 --> 00:38:00,268
for something, an analogy would be,

548
00:38:00,608 --> 00:38:02,288
that I think would be more clear

549
00:38:02,288 --> 00:38:07,748
to the average Christian would be the kind of thing that we're objecting to is basically the

550
00:38:07,748 --> 00:38:12,708
kind of thing that basically looks at, um, that looks at aborted babies and says, Hey, look,

551
00:38:12,768 --> 00:38:18,088
if we keep aborting all these babies, then we can have all of these stem cells, which we can do all

552
00:38:18,088 --> 00:38:22,868
kinds of really good things with. And so it's, it's the, it's a version of sinning that grace

553
00:38:22,868 --> 00:38:26,788
may abound. Like, look, we're going to, we're going to, you know, we're going to continue to

554
00:38:26,788 --> 00:38:32,108
abort babies. Uh, we're going to kill, killed small children, and then we're going to use their

555
00:38:32,108 --> 00:38:35,948
bodies for good. We're going to basically devote these and then people who are alive will be able

556
00:38:35,948 --> 00:38:42,628
to benefit from, uh, from their deaths. And, and that will give us a net benefit to humanity.

557
00:38:42,628 --> 00:38:49,788
And so it's worth doing like, that's the kind of, uh, illicit, you know, sinful, uh, ends justify

558
00:38:49,788 --> 00:38:55,708
the means thinking that I think we're, we're trying to get at. I'll just add, I've lived through

559
00:38:55,708 --> 00:38:57,788
many many years of debilitating

560
00:38:57,788 --> 00:38:59,768
chronic pain like to

561
00:38:59,768 --> 00:39:01,848
the point where you can hardly even roll over

562
00:39:01,848 --> 00:39:03,488
in bed without just being in agony

563
00:39:03,488 --> 00:39:04,448
and

564
00:39:04,448 --> 00:39:07,788
first of all those are

565
00:39:07,788 --> 00:39:09,928
some of the closest times I've ever felt

566
00:39:09,928 --> 00:39:11,168
to the Lord

567
00:39:11,168 --> 00:39:13,588
as sort of

568
00:39:13,588 --> 00:39:15,708
counterintuitive as that sounds

569
00:39:15,708 --> 00:39:17,728
and then the verses like

570
00:39:17,728 --> 00:39:19,568
in Colossians you know this light

571
00:39:19,568 --> 00:39:21,748
momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal

572
00:39:21,748 --> 00:39:23,828
weight of glory just becomes

573
00:39:23,828 --> 00:39:25,528
so vivid in that

574
00:39:25,708 --> 00:39:32,108
moment in that context because you just realize as humans living here and now it just feels like

575
00:39:32,108 --> 00:39:37,228
this is never going to end and this is all there is and our life is so long and the suffering is so

576
00:39:37,228 --> 00:39:44,268
unbearable um and then you just remind yourself these promises and the fact that we are going to

577
00:39:45,308 --> 00:39:51,548
you know jesus went to prepare a room for us in his father's house and for the vast majority

578
00:39:51,548 --> 00:39:58,728
of our existence as immortals. God created us as immortal. We are immortal. We will be in this

579
00:39:58,728 --> 00:40:05,988
glorified body. It's almost just even too hard to comprehend when you think about a trillion years

580
00:40:05,988 --> 00:40:12,568
in the future, having lived trillions of years, effectively, trying to think back to this time

581
00:40:12,568 --> 00:40:17,288
where we live 70, 80 years, maybe. It's just like this tiny little sliver of our existence.

582
00:40:17,288 --> 00:40:19,488
it's almost even hard to believe

583
00:40:19,488 --> 00:40:21,488
that we'll be able to remember it at all

584
00:40:21,488 --> 00:40:22,448
you know

585
00:40:22,448 --> 00:40:25,708
so I don't know I just take great comfort

586
00:40:25,708 --> 00:40:27,848
in that in those moments

587
00:40:27,848 --> 00:40:31,668
yeah we're destined

588
00:40:31,668 --> 00:40:33,428
we're destined for glory guys

589
00:40:33,428 --> 00:40:34,148
like this

590
00:40:34,148 --> 00:40:37,608
I love being alive

591
00:40:37,608 --> 00:40:39,468
and I love seeking after God's will

592
00:40:39,468 --> 00:40:41,448
for like what it is that we're supposed to be doing here

593
00:40:41,448 --> 00:40:42,888
now he has us here for a reason

594
00:40:42,888 --> 00:40:45,388
but this is transient

595
00:40:45,388 --> 00:40:48,708
In the words of Janet Yellen, this is transient, man.

596
00:40:52,008 --> 00:40:53,808
All right.

597
00:40:53,948 --> 00:40:57,888
We've got one more teal clip we have to show,

598
00:40:58,308 --> 00:40:59,788
and then we can move on.

599
00:40:59,988 --> 00:41:00,788
Let's see here.

600
00:41:00,988 --> 00:41:03,528
I believe it is this one,

601
00:41:04,488 --> 00:41:06,548
where Peter starts talking about the Antichrist.

602
00:41:07,048 --> 00:41:10,628
This is my very specific question for you, right?

603
00:41:11,768 --> 00:41:13,628
You're an investor in AI.

604
00:41:14,608 --> 00:41:20,048
You're, you know, you're deeply invested in Palantir, in military technology, in technologies

605
00:41:20,048 --> 00:41:24,168
of surveillance and technologies of warfare and so on, right?

606
00:41:24,408 --> 00:41:31,428
And it just seems to me that when you tell me a story about the Antichrist coming to

607
00:41:31,428 --> 00:41:37,268
power and using the fear of technological change to sort of impose order on the world,

608
00:41:37,268 --> 00:41:44,728
I feel like that Antichrist would maybe be using the tools that you were building, right?

609
00:41:44,828 --> 00:41:49,548
Like, wouldn't the Antichrist be like, great, you know, we're not going to have any more technological progress,

610
00:41:49,668 --> 00:41:53,228
but I really like what Palantir has done so far, right?

611
00:41:53,488 --> 00:41:55,108
Isn't that a concern?

612
00:41:55,268 --> 00:42:01,888
Wouldn't that be the, you know, the irony of history would be that the man publicly worrying about the Antichrist

613
00:42:01,888 --> 00:42:05,428
accidentally hastens his or her arrival?

614
00:42:05,768 --> 00:42:06,168
Yeah.

615
00:42:07,268 --> 00:42:11,108
there are all these different

616
00:42:11,108 --> 00:42:14,908
scenarios. I obviously don't think that that's what I'm doing.

617
00:42:15,568 --> 00:42:19,208
I mean, to be clear, I don't think that's what you're doing either.

618
00:42:19,368 --> 00:42:23,308
I'm interested in how you get to a world willing to

619
00:42:23,308 --> 00:42:26,368
submit to permanent authoritarian rule.

620
00:42:26,368 --> 00:42:27,348
Well, but

621
00:42:27,348 --> 00:42:34,268
again, there are these different gradations of

622
00:42:34,268 --> 00:42:35,888
this we can describe, but

623
00:42:37,268 --> 00:42:51,728
But is this so preposterous, what I've just told you, as a broad account of the stagnation that the entire world has submitted for 50 years to peace and safetyism?

624
00:42:51,868 --> 00:42:53,748
This is 1 Thessalonians 5.3.

625
00:42:53,808 --> 00:42:56,168
The slogan of the Antichrist is peace and safety.

626
00:42:56,568 --> 00:42:58,468
And we've submitted.

627
00:42:58,468 --> 00:43:07,988
this is yeah so yeah i can guarantee you that you were not expecting a uh a thessalonians

628
00:43:07,988 --> 00:43:13,928
reference but man peter just lives to leaves lives to please man he just sees loves throwing

629
00:43:13,928 --> 00:43:19,328
us theological cabinet please tim make sense of that for us well i mean i think

630
00:43:19,328 --> 00:43:27,088
yeah i think to his point there can be different flavors of peace and safety you know this is kind

631
00:43:27,088 --> 00:43:32,608
of like the 1984 account of the world versus the Brave New World account of the world of

632
00:43:32,608 --> 00:43:33,328
totalitarianism.

633
00:43:33,488 --> 00:43:41,288
There is a strong kind of outwardly very masculine brute force form of totalitarianism, you know,

634
00:43:41,328 --> 00:43:45,688
that comes with its own promise of peace and safety in 1984, Big Brother, you know, crushing

635
00:43:45,688 --> 00:43:46,868
your face forever and ever.

636
00:43:47,328 --> 00:43:55,108
Or there's this more kind of feminine maternal nurturing form of totalitarianism that comes

637
00:43:55,108 --> 00:43:58,388
through technological, you know, peace and safety.

638
00:43:58,568 --> 00:44:00,328
And, you know, we will kind of make sure

639
00:44:00,328 --> 00:44:01,228
everyone breeds correctly.

640
00:44:01,448 --> 00:44:04,148
And we all have our drugs and our sex

641
00:44:04,148 --> 00:44:05,068
and our entertainment.

642
00:44:05,728 --> 00:44:07,068
And, you know, in a lot of ways,

643
00:44:07,088 --> 00:44:09,088
our world looks a lot more like the latter,

644
00:44:09,468 --> 00:44:10,348
Brave New World, you know,

645
00:44:10,368 --> 00:44:11,388
it looks like a lot more likely,

646
00:44:11,528 --> 00:44:12,168
at least in the West,

647
00:44:12,228 --> 00:44:14,028
that people would be kind of allured

648
00:44:14,028 --> 00:44:17,608
by technological progress and ease and comfort.

649
00:44:19,228 --> 00:44:21,528
So, but I think they're both dangerous.

650
00:44:21,908 --> 00:44:23,128
I mean, there's all kinds of ways

651
00:44:23,128 --> 00:44:24,148
you can promise peace and safety

652
00:44:24,148 --> 00:44:27,268
through the strong man or through, you know, the nanny state.

653
00:44:27,928 --> 00:44:33,368
But they're both huge problems and dangers.

654
00:44:33,728 --> 00:44:36,228
And both of them, you know, to use the word antichrist,

655
00:44:36,308 --> 00:44:37,628
something that stands in the place of Christ,

656
00:44:38,088 --> 00:44:39,128
you know, only Christ can be Christ.

657
00:44:39,728 --> 00:44:42,728
And Jesus warns, he says, yeah, in the last days, watch out.

658
00:44:42,808 --> 00:44:44,948
A lot of guys are coming claiming I'm the Christ, I'm the Christ.

659
00:44:45,068 --> 00:44:47,328
And, you know, obviously that was happening a lot in the first century

660
00:44:47,328 --> 00:44:48,308
around the destruction of the temple.

661
00:44:48,388 --> 00:44:50,708
But there's an element of that, that there's all kinds of ways

662
00:44:50,708 --> 00:44:52,268
that people come promising to be the Messiah.

663
00:44:52,268 --> 00:44:53,628
Elon Musk says

664
00:44:53,628 --> 00:44:54,408
you know my way

665
00:44:54,408 --> 00:44:55,708
is the messianic way forward

666
00:44:55,708 --> 00:44:56,388
and

667
00:44:56,388 --> 00:44:57,648
Sam Altman says

668
00:44:57,648 --> 00:44:59,188
no my way is the messianic way forward

669
00:44:59,188 --> 00:44:59,908
and it's like

670
00:44:59,908 --> 00:45:01,308
I think as Christians

671
00:45:01,308 --> 00:45:02,008
we're called to be

672
00:45:02,008 --> 00:45:03,448
wary of all of it

673
00:45:03,448 --> 00:45:06,848
this is the classic

674
00:45:06,848 --> 00:45:07,608
technologist

675
00:45:07,608 --> 00:45:08,408
take

676
00:45:08,408 --> 00:45:09,508
they've got hammers

677
00:45:09,508 --> 00:45:10,428
and everything is a nail

678
00:45:10,428 --> 00:45:11,888
it's the same thing happens

679
00:45:11,888 --> 00:45:12,428
in Bitcoin

680
00:45:12,428 --> 00:45:14,408
Bitcoin is the ultimate hammer

681
00:45:14,408 --> 00:45:15,888
and all the world's problems

682
00:45:15,888 --> 00:45:16,328
are nails

683
00:45:16,328 --> 00:45:17,068
so

684
00:45:17,068 --> 00:45:18,268
it's no different

685
00:45:18,268 --> 00:45:20,208
are you guys familiar

686
00:45:20,208 --> 00:45:21,228
Slavoj Zizek

687
00:45:21,228 --> 00:45:21,388
and

688
00:45:22,268 --> 00:45:29,688
mm-hmm okay so he's like a philosopher he's a slovenly mess of a man uh but his last name is

689
00:45:29,688 --> 00:45:35,448
spelled z-i-z-e-k but one of the things he um one of the things he talks about is basically

690
00:45:35,448 --> 00:45:42,568
uh he just basically says something to the effect of listen we can learn us us atheists can learn a

691
00:45:42,568 --> 00:45:47,208
lot from the christians they do lots of they've done lots of good things and really cool things

692
00:45:47,208 --> 00:45:51,888
and we should imitate them and so uh yeah there's just this is one of the things where it's like and

693
00:45:51,888 --> 00:45:54,168
Now, again, Peter's not an avowed atheist.

694
00:45:55,088 --> 00:45:56,668
But I mean, just looking at,

695
00:45:57,428 --> 00:45:58,728
to look at the world

696
00:45:58,728 --> 00:46:02,208
and just to try to just look at Christianity

697
00:46:02,208 --> 00:46:02,668
and just say, all right,

698
00:46:02,668 --> 00:46:03,828
we're gonna pluck out these things.

699
00:46:04,228 --> 00:46:06,188
And then we're just gonna just try to copy paste them

700
00:46:06,188 --> 00:46:09,148
into our own conception of the world.

701
00:46:09,588 --> 00:46:12,328
Here, this actually, it's proof texting.

702
00:46:13,228 --> 00:46:15,208
It's like, we're gonna find this verse

703
00:46:15,208 --> 00:46:18,048
and then, ooh, this suits Palantir.

704
00:46:18,168 --> 00:46:19,508
This suits Palantir's purposes.

705
00:46:19,708 --> 00:46:20,708
Here, we can just quote this one.

706
00:46:20,708 --> 00:46:26,128
Uh, and I mean, just to, it's just wild to hear scripture being quoted.

707
00:46:26,368 --> 00:46:31,268
Uh, I mean, very, very weird, very, uh, odd days that we're in.

708
00:46:31,308 --> 00:46:32,788
You can, it's super interesting.

709
00:46:32,788 --> 00:46:37,468
The, the world in which we're living in, where people are trying to, trying to reconcile

710
00:46:37,468 --> 00:46:43,688
with their own brokenness, trying to reconcile with, uh, a world in flux and trying to figure

711
00:46:43,688 --> 00:46:45,548
out how to make sense and order it.

712
00:46:45,548 --> 00:46:52,328
and again, to some degree, recognizing that that is part of what God wants to do,

713
00:46:52,848 --> 00:46:58,708
but doing it with a hermeneutical approach that I think is horrifying.

714
00:46:59,168 --> 00:47:08,488
So hopefully we can get Peter some better theology and help him kind of make sense of Thessalonians better.

715
00:47:08,728 --> 00:47:10,068
Tim, have you ever preached through Thessalonians?

716
00:47:10,988 --> 00:47:12,028
I never had.

717
00:47:12,028 --> 00:47:16,708
to just all the weird eschatology stuff.

718
00:47:16,768 --> 00:47:17,568
It's like, I don't know.

719
00:47:17,608 --> 00:47:18,168
That's tricky.

720
00:47:18,688 --> 00:47:20,428
Tim, you're born for such a time of this.

721
00:47:20,548 --> 00:47:20,928
Let's go.

722
00:47:21,208 --> 00:47:23,228
We just need to start preaching through the Thessalonians.

723
00:47:23,488 --> 00:47:25,008
We actually do have a,

724
00:47:25,348 --> 00:47:26,828
we have actually shockingly

725
00:47:26,828 --> 00:47:29,068
a few different connections to Peter Thiel,

726
00:47:29,148 --> 00:47:29,988
if you can believe that.

727
00:47:30,408 --> 00:47:32,268
I know like three degrees,

728
00:47:32,508 --> 00:47:33,208
three different people

729
00:47:33,208 --> 00:47:36,468
who are literally friends of Peter Thiel.

730
00:47:36,468 --> 00:47:38,388
So it's potentially possible

731
00:47:38,388 --> 00:47:40,188
for us to actually get at them.

732
00:47:40,188 --> 00:47:42,528
So that might be something we should do maybe.

733
00:47:44,308 --> 00:47:46,508
Yeah, I was not expecting Antichrist talk either.

734
00:47:46,748 --> 00:47:48,228
That was wild.

735
00:47:49,848 --> 00:47:52,028
Anyhow, guys, wild things are happening.

736
00:47:52,228 --> 00:47:54,788
God opens up opportunities for us to talk about all kinds of stuff.

737
00:47:55,008 --> 00:47:56,268
Let's keep moving here.

738
00:47:56,968 --> 00:47:59,348
The next thing we have, Tim, this is one that you shared.

739
00:47:59,748 --> 00:48:01,848
Let me, it's a Presby cast.

740
00:48:02,088 --> 00:48:04,228
Who would have seen this one coming that you guys would share this?

741
00:48:06,488 --> 00:48:09,008
I'll let you tee this up.

742
00:48:10,188 --> 00:48:16,248
um okay presby cast i just thought this interesting this guy is a uh he's a ruling

743
00:48:16,248 --> 00:48:22,208
elder in the pca or some people call these guys lay elders um it's just made me think of a lot of

744
00:48:22,208 --> 00:48:27,108
people i know in kind of bitcoin world um he says uh a warning and encouragement for those returning

745
00:48:27,108 --> 00:48:31,568
to christianity in the last several years you know with a nod to some of these guys like peter

746
00:48:31,568 --> 00:48:36,488
teal or joe rogan or guys like that who are interested in christianity but or maybe missing

747
00:48:36,488 --> 00:48:37,228
what it's really about.

748
00:48:37,868 --> 00:48:38,428
It says,

749
00:48:38,488 --> 00:48:39,088
the normal trajectory

750
00:48:39,088 --> 00:48:39,668
for the faithful

751
00:48:39,668 --> 00:48:40,808
is to find a settled home

752
00:48:40,808 --> 00:48:41,668
in a local church.

753
00:48:42,308 --> 00:48:43,708
Finding online affinity groups,

754
00:48:43,828 --> 00:48:44,488
being based,

755
00:48:44,748 --> 00:48:45,148
or heavily,

756
00:48:45,388 --> 00:48:46,548
newly radical political

757
00:48:46,548 --> 00:48:47,208
social views

758
00:48:47,208 --> 00:48:48,168
is not enough.

759
00:48:48,668 --> 00:48:49,208
A new taste

760
00:48:49,208 --> 00:48:50,008
for singing psalms

761
00:48:50,008 --> 00:48:51,168
as opposed to praise jingles.

762
00:48:52,328 --> 00:48:53,468
Aversion to seed oils,

763
00:48:53,868 --> 00:48:54,568
becoming woke

764
00:48:54,568 --> 00:48:56,108
about Israel or race

765
00:48:56,108 --> 00:48:56,468
or whatever.

766
00:48:57,008 --> 00:48:57,608
None of these things

767
00:48:57,608 --> 00:48:58,348
are the fruit of the spirit.

768
00:48:59,368 --> 00:49:00,968
If your spiritual journey

769
00:49:00,968 --> 00:49:01,748
does not end

770
00:49:01,748 --> 00:49:02,708
in the sometimes boring

771
00:49:02,708 --> 00:49:03,968
or horrors,

772
00:49:04,768 --> 00:49:05,708
a borderline boomerish

773
00:49:05,708 --> 00:49:06,308
local church,

774
00:49:06,308 --> 00:49:07,468
you may still be on the wrong road.

775
00:49:08,368 --> 00:49:10,448
I just thought that there's a good amount of wisdom in that.

776
00:49:10,568 --> 00:49:13,568
And this is kind of one of my little hobby horses

777
00:49:13,568 --> 00:49:15,288
is trying to encourage Bitcoiners

778
00:49:15,288 --> 00:49:18,808
to just embrace the kind of normy boringness

779
00:49:18,808 --> 00:49:21,168
of being a Christian and of the local church

780
00:49:21,168 --> 00:49:23,188
for all the things that may frustrate you about the church

781
00:49:23,188 --> 00:49:24,828
and frustrate me about the church.

782
00:49:25,088 --> 00:49:26,488
Jesus loves the church and died for it.

783
00:49:26,848 --> 00:49:28,168
And local churches are wonderful.

784
00:49:28,788 --> 00:49:30,228
And we all like Bitcoiners.

785
00:49:30,288 --> 00:49:31,268
We like hanging out with Bitcoiners

786
00:49:31,268 --> 00:49:35,108
because it's hard when everyone thinks you're insane

787
00:49:35,108 --> 00:49:37,268
and people get excited to come across other Bitcoiners,

788
00:49:37,428 --> 00:49:41,028
but you should be deeply involved in a local church

789
00:49:41,028 --> 00:49:45,168
as frustrating as it may be because it's wonderful

790
00:49:45,168 --> 00:49:48,448
and God does so much for us through people

791
00:49:48,448 --> 00:49:50,828
who are different than you and have different perspectives

792
00:49:50,828 --> 00:49:52,988
and different experiences and different generations.

793
00:49:52,988 --> 00:49:54,668
It's just a beautiful, wonderful thing.

794
00:49:54,988 --> 00:49:55,928
So yeah, I don't know.

795
00:49:55,968 --> 00:49:56,988
I just like the way he said that.

796
00:49:57,488 --> 00:49:59,208
I think sometimes people can get a little too

797
00:49:59,208 --> 00:50:02,288
kind of fixated on certain aspects of Christianity,

798
00:50:02,408 --> 00:50:03,648
especially Christian ethics and,

799
00:50:03,648 --> 00:50:08,668
oh this thing about following jesus or this thing about god's laws it's so based and it's so cool

800
00:50:08,668 --> 00:50:15,288
and it's like okay yeah we should be excited about that but um yeah you know most of all you know do

801
00:50:15,288 --> 00:50:20,948
you love christ you know is he is he a priority in your life you know are you knowing him more and

802
00:50:20,948 --> 00:50:26,148
more and more and obviously a lot of that can be way overdone uh emotionally or kind of sentimentally

803
00:50:26,148 --> 00:50:30,788
in terms of you know this kind of jesus my boyfriend mega churchy stuff but like you know

804
00:50:30,788 --> 00:50:37,208
And you never, ever get beyond knowing Christ and drawing closer to him and delighting in him.

805
00:50:37,628 --> 00:50:39,908
As a Christian, this is the whole point.

806
00:50:39,988 --> 00:50:41,348
This is going to be the best thing about heaven.

807
00:50:41,668 --> 00:50:45,928
It's not that there's no fiat and no sin and that all your buddies will be there.

808
00:50:45,968 --> 00:50:47,588
But the best thing about heaven is that Christ is there.

809
00:50:48,508 --> 00:50:48,608
Yeah.

810
00:50:48,688 --> 00:50:51,308
And so, you know, reflecting that now in your life.

811
00:50:51,508 --> 00:50:55,068
And if the church is the body of Christ with all of its failures and its sins,

812
00:50:55,068 --> 00:50:58,748
then you should be deeply invested in the church and love the church.

813
00:50:58,748 --> 00:51:04,628
yeah you should definitely be going to church but then also the flip side is you don't have to be

814
00:51:04,628 --> 00:51:09,708
like some super christian missionary to uruguay or something you know to like

815
00:51:09,708 --> 00:51:17,588
to get into heaven yeah yeah yeah yeah i do i do think go ahead i was gonna say jim and i were

816
00:51:17,588 --> 00:51:22,028
recently talking about this famous uh diedrich bonhoeffer quote he is a famous uh lutheran

817
00:51:22,028 --> 00:51:27,008
pastor in the 30s uh resisted hitler tried to kill him in prison because of trying to

818
00:51:27,008 --> 00:51:31,848
involved in a plot to kill him um got executed right before the end of the war but he has this

819
00:51:31,848 --> 00:51:35,768
little book on christian community and you know bonhoeffer had some weird stuff theologically but

820
00:51:35,768 --> 00:51:41,408
you know one of his famous lines from this book on christian community is about how the person who

821
00:51:41,408 --> 00:51:46,948
loves their idea of community more than the community itself destroys the community and um

822
00:51:46,948 --> 00:51:52,508
i don't know it's not just a bitcoiner problem it's it's a you know a problem among all kinds of

823
00:51:52,508 --> 00:51:54,908
very zealous, motivated, idealistic people.

824
00:51:55,388 --> 00:51:57,728
But yeah, this idea of what you think the church should be

825
00:51:57,728 --> 00:51:59,408
or what Christian community should be,

826
00:51:59,468 --> 00:52:02,368
and you just kind of end up becoming just frustrated and jaded

827
00:52:02,368 --> 00:52:06,928
and just a complete pain in the rear end to everybody around you

828
00:52:06,928 --> 00:52:10,928
instead of just accepting your boring, normal, sinful community

829
00:52:10,928 --> 00:52:11,728
that God's given you.

830
00:52:12,388 --> 00:52:12,588
Yep.

831
00:52:12,808 --> 00:52:14,048
That book is Life Together.

832
00:52:14,508 --> 00:52:17,888
I remember reading that quote and it was just wild.

833
00:52:18,068 --> 00:52:19,448
It's just such a timely word.

834
00:52:19,448 --> 00:52:34,568
And I do think as well, I mean, the reality is, again, if you are a new Christian, you ought to think about, no matter how clearly you think you see things, you ought to think about yourself as a child.

835
00:52:34,568 --> 00:52:36,028
Like you're a child spiritually.

836
00:52:36,648 --> 00:52:41,588
And the reality is that children need older people.

837
00:52:42,408 --> 00:52:48,368
And so there's a real sense both that you, whether you recognize it or not, you need older people.

838
00:52:48,368 --> 00:52:50,488
You need people who've walked with the Lord for longer.

839
00:52:50,748 --> 00:52:55,128
God, there's tons of scriptures that talk about the wisdom of the age, the wisdom of

840
00:52:55,128 --> 00:52:56,788
the gray hair.

841
00:52:57,788 --> 00:53:01,608
There's tons of, you just need wisdom and experience.

842
00:53:02,108 --> 00:53:07,768
On top of that, those aged people and people who've walked with the Lord longer need you.

843
00:53:09,088 --> 00:53:11,068
Like they need, like God works.

844
00:53:11,168 --> 00:53:13,688
The way that he works is like we all can encourage each other.

845
00:53:13,688 --> 00:53:24,888
And so the fact like if you're some random Bitcoiner who found yourself becoming a Christian, like there are churches that need reminders that God just plucks people out of.

846
00:53:25,028 --> 00:53:26,068
God has normal ways.

847
00:53:26,148 --> 00:53:30,688
The normal way is, you know, you grow up as a kid and you hear the scriptures and you come to trust in Jesus and you grow up.

848
00:53:30,828 --> 00:53:32,848
And that's God's normative way.

849
00:53:32,948 --> 00:53:37,868
But God definitely works, still just saves people out of seemingly nowhere.

850
00:53:38,188 --> 00:53:43,148
And so like just the reminder of that and the encouragement that comes from, you know, your testimony.

851
00:53:43,148 --> 00:53:50,828
In the book of Revelation, it talks about basically the saints overcame by the blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony.

852
00:53:51,048 --> 00:53:52,788
This is a powerful thing.

853
00:53:53,868 --> 00:53:58,068
And so there's a real sense in which you need others and there's a sense in which others need you.

854
00:53:59,028 --> 00:54:02,428
And so you need to see God working in others.

855
00:54:02,508 --> 00:54:06,388
You need to have a sounding board for the struggles that you're having.

856
00:54:07,088 --> 00:54:09,388
These are all really, really important things.

857
00:54:09,388 --> 00:54:20,208
And just to mock or just don't think you need a church that doesn't seem as based as you wished it would be is just a huge error.

858
00:54:20,548 --> 00:54:22,188
So, yeah, good word.

859
00:54:22,428 --> 00:54:23,048
Appreciate that, Tim.

860
00:54:24,128 --> 00:54:26,588
Now, should we address the elephant in the room?

861
00:54:27,108 --> 00:54:30,128
I mean, Bitcoin is absolutely ripping right now.

862
00:54:30,928 --> 00:54:32,048
I'm not even paying attention.

863
00:54:32,788 --> 00:54:36,028
Yeah, we're almost to 1.6, 1.16.5 now.

864
00:54:36,728 --> 00:54:37,508
Oh, my gosh.

865
00:54:37,508 --> 00:54:48,288
so I'm looking at oh my gosh okay well um yeah I mean it's great I just I don't know somehow

866
00:54:48,288 --> 00:54:55,188
the lord is putting on my heart to just like get this off my chest right now please do not

867
00:54:55,188 --> 00:55:02,948
ape him with tons of leverage right now just please don't do it like don't don't do it like

868
00:55:02,948 --> 00:55:03,608
it's great.

869
00:55:03,908 --> 00:55:04,648
Bitcoin's going up.

870
00:55:04,708 --> 00:55:05,508
We all want it to go up,

871
00:55:05,568 --> 00:55:05,868
but like,

872
00:55:05,928 --> 00:55:06,888
just don't,

873
00:55:06,888 --> 00:55:07,468
don't do it.

874
00:55:08,268 --> 00:55:08,708
Yeah.

875
00:55:08,928 --> 00:55:09,068
Amen.

876
00:55:09,108 --> 00:55:09,888
Go touch grass,

877
00:55:10,028 --> 00:55:10,768
as the kids say.

878
00:55:11,588 --> 00:55:12,868
Go touch grass,

879
00:55:13,148 --> 00:55:14,228
eat some ribeyes,

880
00:55:14,728 --> 00:55:15,308
go to the lake.

881
00:55:15,528 --> 00:55:16,008
Don't smoke grass.

882
00:55:16,788 --> 00:55:17,148
All right.

883
00:55:17,488 --> 00:55:17,708
Now,

884
00:55:17,888 --> 00:55:18,008
again,

885
00:55:18,008 --> 00:55:19,108
you're in searing pain.

886
00:55:20,568 --> 00:55:22,648
In speaking to other timeless wisdom,

887
00:55:23,068 --> 00:55:25,768
let's check out a tweet from James Wood.

888
00:55:26,168 --> 00:55:26,448
It's,

889
00:55:26,448 --> 00:55:28,128
it's almost always a good,

890
00:55:28,168 --> 00:55:29,248
a good thing to do.

891
00:55:29,328 --> 00:55:30,528
Just go find a James Wood tweet.

892
00:55:31,008 --> 00:55:31,748
Most of the time,

893
00:55:31,748 --> 00:55:33,508
Talk about on your podcast with your bros.

894
00:55:33,568 --> 00:55:34,248
You need some tweets.

895
00:55:34,348 --> 00:55:35,488
Just go dig into James Wood.

896
00:55:35,688 --> 00:55:36,888
Just go dig into James Wood.

897
00:55:37,048 --> 00:55:38,608
You're probably going to find lots of Augustine.

898
00:55:38,768 --> 00:55:51,512
Speaking of people who go find wisdom from the ages James is a friend He again we keep finding ourselves surrounded with Presbyterians James let see what James has to say Tim this is yours I let you do it Go for it

899
00:55:53,732 --> 00:55:54,052
Okay.

900
00:55:54,352 --> 00:55:54,912
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

901
00:55:55,392 --> 00:55:56,532
Okay, so I just saw this.

902
00:55:56,632 --> 00:55:58,012
James Wood, I think he's writing a book right now

903
00:55:58,012 --> 00:55:58,952
on St. Augustine.

904
00:55:59,472 --> 00:56:02,452
And this is a fifth century bishop

905
00:56:02,452 --> 00:56:03,632
and pastor in North Africa.

906
00:56:04,732 --> 00:56:06,152
He had this quote.

907
00:56:06,892 --> 00:56:08,092
This one here you're showing us

908
00:56:08,092 --> 00:56:08,832
is a response to a guy.

909
00:56:08,892 --> 00:56:10,012
He had this quote where he basically says,

910
00:56:10,092 --> 00:56:10,932
hey, why does God allow

911
00:56:10,932 --> 00:56:13,712
for there to be good kingdoms and bad kingdoms in the world.

912
00:56:14,332 --> 00:56:17,932
You know, we all hope and pray for good, godly kingdoms

913
00:56:17,932 --> 00:56:19,672
submitted to Christ and doing his will.

914
00:56:20,052 --> 00:56:22,432
But, you know, most people for most of history

915
00:56:22,432 --> 00:56:24,932
have lived under very bad kings and kingdoms.

916
00:56:25,152 --> 00:56:27,532
And, you know, there's a lot of things

917
00:56:27,532 --> 00:56:29,192
about our political environment now

918
00:56:29,192 --> 00:56:32,072
that are terrible and regrettable and awful

919
00:56:32,072 --> 00:56:33,512
and cause all kinds of suffering for people.

920
00:56:34,512 --> 00:56:37,512
So James Wood put this quote from Augustine,

921
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why does God allow that?

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And he basically said, you know,

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He wants to continually train people not to yearn for these things in the sense of putting your ultimate hopes in them, that this is what life is all about. It's about ease and comfort and prosperity in this world.

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some guy replied to him and said

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00:56:56,272 --> 00:56:57,772
no that's dumb

926
00:56:57,772 --> 00:56:59,772
you know it's a good thing to want to have

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00:56:59,772 --> 00:57:01,892
godly good political

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00:57:01,892 --> 00:57:02,992
rule in this world

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00:57:02,992 --> 00:57:05,832
and James Wood

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basically

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wrote back and said no no no no

932
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of course no one's saying that that doesn't matter

933
00:57:11,432 --> 00:57:13,952
but we need to

934
00:57:13,952 --> 00:57:15,872
I thought this was

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00:57:15,872 --> 00:57:17,592
interesting in the middle of this page

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Augustine also recognizes how fragile

937
00:57:19,972 --> 00:57:21,992
and unstable these arrangements are at this time

938
00:57:21,992 --> 00:57:23,932
God raises up a Constantine

939
00:57:23,932 --> 00:57:26,352
and for the Anabaptists in the room,

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James Wood thinks that's a good thing.

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But he also raises up a Julian,

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Julian the apostate, Roman emperor.

943
00:57:36,092 --> 00:57:38,112
Augustine calls us to relate properly to these goods,

944
00:57:38,552 --> 00:57:39,472
real goods.

945
00:57:39,592 --> 00:57:40,892
It's a good thing to have a good king

946
00:57:40,892 --> 00:57:42,492
in a good political situation,

947
00:57:43,072 --> 00:57:44,252
but we need to, I thought this was good,

948
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we need to hold them somewhat loosely

949
00:57:45,632 --> 00:57:47,332
without losing our firm hope in the full

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00:57:47,332 --> 00:57:49,052
and permanent realization of our desires,

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00:57:49,192 --> 00:57:51,392
even political desires in the eschaton,

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00:57:51,592 --> 00:57:52,272
in the age to come,

953
00:57:52,452 --> 00:57:53,592
in the redemption of all things.

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which in some ways are partially experienced now in the church as kind of a foretaste of the new creation to come.

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So anyways, just another reminder to all of my Bitcoiner friends out there, whether you're a Christian or not,

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having things work out economically and socially and politically in this world is a good thing.

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We should try our best to aim for them, but ultimately they will disappoint us and they will be frustrated in all kinds of ways.

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And our ultimate hope is in the age to come.

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the eternal weight of glory beyond all compare. Yeah. I think it, again, looking at, looking at

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even sufferings, you know, Jim, you were talking about looking at sufferings as a gift and as

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something for you to steward, something that is pointing you somewhere. I think that's, it's also

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helpful to think about political situations in that way as well. Like if you, again, Paul talks

963
00:58:45,512 --> 00:58:50,652
about the apostle Paul talks about, like, if you, if you have your freedom, use it, like don't,

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00:58:50,652 --> 00:58:52,112
don't seek to be enslaved again.

965
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Like use your freedom to,

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00:58:53,952 --> 00:58:54,792
to serve the Lord.

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00:58:55,132 --> 00:58:55,532
Um,

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00:58:55,532 --> 00:58:56,272
and so it's not,

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00:58:56,312 --> 00:58:59,712
he's not basically asking you to love your slavery or love your,

970
00:58:59,712 --> 00:59:01,712
your bummer situation that you're in,

971
00:59:01,712 --> 00:59:03,452
but he just basically is advocating.

972
00:59:03,692 --> 00:59:04,112
Yeah.

973
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Yeah.

974
00:59:04,952 --> 00:59:06,432
If you're Bonhoeffer.

975
00:59:06,752 --> 00:59:07,232
Yes.

976
00:59:07,272 --> 00:59:08,252
Like if you're Bonhoeffer,

977
00:59:08,252 --> 00:59:09,172
you can kill Hitler.

978
00:59:11,172 --> 00:59:11,652
Right.

979
00:59:11,732 --> 00:59:13,292
So we're good with killing Hitler,

980
00:59:13,292 --> 00:59:13,592
right?

981
00:59:13,752 --> 00:59:13,932
And to,

982
00:59:13,932 --> 00:59:14,992
he couldn't,

983
00:59:15,172 --> 00:59:15,612
but yeah.

984
00:59:15,852 --> 00:59:16,872
And to escape suffering,

985
00:59:17,432 --> 00:59:18,572
suffering is not a good thing.

986
00:59:19,232 --> 00:59:19,512
Uh,

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00:59:19,512 --> 00:59:24,992
no Christian should say death is wonderful or suffering is great or wonderful. But at the same

988
00:59:24,992 --> 00:59:31,652
time, we also recognize that we live under God's wise, but often mysterious rule. And all of us

989
00:59:31,652 --> 00:59:37,772
can look back and you ask yourself, what were the times in my life when I drew closest to God,

990
00:59:38,112 --> 00:59:43,072
when I knew Christ the most? Well, probably if I had to guess 99 times out of 100, it wasn't the

991
00:59:43,072 --> 00:59:47,452
good times in your life. It was the bad times. It was the suffering. C.S. Lewis says somewhere,

992
00:59:47,452 --> 00:59:51,952
I think it's in his book on pain, that God whispers to us in our pleasures, but shouts to us in our pain.

993
00:59:52,772 --> 00:59:57,212
And we wish that wasn't the case, but it's what we need.

994
00:59:57,492 --> 01:00:01,052
You know, we're dense and we're slow and we wander.

995
01:00:01,752 --> 01:00:04,332
God uses our pain to draw us back to himself.

996
01:00:04,492 --> 01:00:10,772
It's like Solzhenitsyn, you know, in Gulag Archipelago talks about being in the Soviet prison system.

997
01:00:10,772 --> 01:00:13,092
learning to love his cell,

998
01:00:13,772 --> 01:00:15,172
learning to thank God for it

999
01:00:15,172 --> 01:00:16,352
because he realizes that

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01:00:16,352 --> 01:00:17,152
if he had never been put

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01:00:17,152 --> 01:00:18,532
into the concentration camps,

1002
01:00:18,952 --> 01:00:20,152
he would have, you know,

1003
01:00:20,172 --> 01:00:21,652
never become interested in God

1004
01:00:21,652 --> 01:00:23,352
and used to see the good of it.

1005
01:00:23,472 --> 01:00:24,652
But, you know, at the same time,

1006
01:00:24,992 --> 01:00:25,932
spends his entire life

1007
01:00:25,932 --> 01:00:27,292
talking about how horrible it is

1008
01:00:27,292 --> 01:00:28,532
and trying to get rid of it.

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01:00:29,272 --> 01:00:29,712
But, you know,

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01:00:29,712 --> 01:00:30,192
Shining light on it.

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01:00:30,192 --> 01:00:32,052
In history, how God uses suffering.

1012
01:00:32,432 --> 01:00:33,092
Suffering is not good,

1013
01:00:33,432 --> 01:00:34,252
but he uses it.

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01:00:35,092 --> 01:00:36,292
I've sometimes wondered, you know,

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01:00:36,912 --> 01:00:38,092
maybe one of the reasons

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01:00:38,092 --> 01:00:39,472
that modern Western,

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01:00:39,652 --> 01:00:40,272
especially Americans,

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01:00:40,272 --> 01:00:46,112
are so profoundly depressed and unhappy and anxious and isolated in spite of all of their

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01:00:46,112 --> 01:00:50,632
material affluence and financial affluence overall compared to the world and compared to history.

1020
01:00:51,112 --> 01:00:59,612
Maybe in some ways this is baked into the cake of God allowing us to suffer so that we don't forget

1021
01:00:59,612 --> 01:01:06,932
who he is and how much we need him. You can fix things materially and economically and financially.

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01:01:06,932 --> 01:01:29,632
I know we all think the financial system is terrible and it's awful and it is, but in a lot of ways, most people in history would be happy to trade with us for our physical and our financial comforts that we have. But even so, we're a lot more unhappy than almost anybody who's ever lived. And I wonder if part of that is God kind of needling us and reminding us that you have not arrived and you won't arrive on your own. You need me.

1023
01:01:29,632 --> 01:01:35,252
yeah i really appreciate james james so there's this whole big conversation we haven't we talked

1024
01:01:35,252 --> 01:01:39,272
about it like tangentially and it'd be fun to do this in in greater detail at some point but

1025
01:01:39,272 --> 01:01:44,472
just this whole track people trying to correct or you know reckon with what is the appropriate

1026
01:01:44,472 --> 01:01:50,352
role of christian thinking about you know nationalism thinking about uh you know their

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01:01:50,352 --> 01:01:56,992
their citizenship here on earth like what does this look like uh how much should we embrace it

1028
01:01:56,992 --> 01:01:58,812
and James has been a helpful voice.

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01:01:59,112 --> 01:02:01,092
Another voice, this was not planned,

1030
01:02:01,232 --> 01:02:03,852
but another voice has been Miles Smith.

1031
01:02:04,172 --> 01:02:05,732
I think they are friends.

1032
01:02:06,672 --> 01:02:08,792
And Miles had, he shared basically this

1033
01:02:08,792 --> 01:02:10,752
kind of on the other end of the spectrum.

1034
01:02:12,112 --> 01:02:13,712
He's quoting for a reading

1035
01:02:13,712 --> 01:02:16,172
from one of David Platt's new books,

1036
01:02:16,512 --> 01:02:22,112
apparently, that Miles was not too big a fan of.

1037
01:02:22,172 --> 01:02:24,212
So it says, this claim from David Platt,

1038
01:02:24,212 --> 01:02:25,792
so let's just read this.

1039
01:02:25,792 --> 01:02:27,032
We'll kind of just skip down.

1040
01:02:27,132 --> 01:02:28,092
It's the second to last paragraph.

1041
01:02:28,652 --> 01:02:30,972
David Platt's, my contention in this chapter is simple.

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01:02:31,652 --> 01:02:49,572
While many factors contribute to gospel poverty in jungles, villages, and megacities around the world, one of the primary reasons, if not the primary reason, that billions of people remain unreached by the gospel is that the global purpose of God has always faced resistance from the nationalistic people of God.

1043
01:02:51,632 --> 01:02:52,152
Yeah.

1044
01:02:52,152 --> 01:02:55,832
So then Miles is his pushback here.

1045
01:02:56,092 --> 01:03:05,672
This claim from David Platt that isolated tribes at all haven't heard the gospel because of nationalism is completely idiotic without regards to how one feels or defines or feels about nationalism.

1046
01:03:05,912 --> 01:03:09,292
The Royal Navy did much to Christianize Africa as missionary.

1047
01:03:09,932 --> 01:03:13,292
This is, I mean, we could go a whole bunch of, go ahead.

1048
01:03:14,192 --> 01:03:15,332
I just said, uh-oh.

1049
01:03:15,712 --> 01:03:16,032
Yeah.

1050
01:03:16,132 --> 01:03:16,692
That's a bad word.

1051
01:03:17,372 --> 01:03:18,892
Yeah, exactly.

1052
01:03:18,892 --> 01:03:19,192
Yeah.

1053
01:03:19,192 --> 01:03:23,472
Yeah. And I mean, you could, we, we, we're, we're going to be, TGP's going to be releasing something

1054
01:03:23,472 --> 01:03:27,732
that's tangentially related to this, but yeah, this is one of these things where

1055
01:03:27,732 --> 01:03:33,412
they're like, nationalism is the boogeyman. It's like, it's the boogeyman right now. Everyone,

1056
01:03:33,412 --> 01:03:38,672
it's just associated with, oh, you know, Hitler. That's the only, the only possible, you know,

1057
01:03:38,672 --> 01:03:42,852
thing that you can have. Globalism is great. We won't look at any of the negative things that come

1058
01:03:42,852 --> 01:03:47,672
with globalism, but we're just going to make nationalism. If you, if you have any kind of

1059
01:03:47,672 --> 01:03:52,532
uh, love for your country, uh, or if you think that it's anything other than a completely

1060
01:03:52,532 --> 01:03:59,332
adulterated bad thing, uh, you, you're, you're anti-Christian and this is just, just so ridiculous.

1061
01:03:59,332 --> 01:04:04,432
So, um, yeah, I don't know. This is, we could, we could talk a lot more. Jim, I don't know if

1062
01:04:04,432 --> 01:04:14,572
you have anything to, to add to this. Um, I, I mean, I, I can agree the Royal Navy did a lot to

1063
01:04:14,572 --> 01:04:21,692
help well yeah that was kind of like what we're saying before it's not to excuse or justify things

1064
01:04:21,692 --> 01:04:26,692
that were genuinely sinful or caused all kinds of suffering you know okay yeah there's a lot of

1065
01:04:26,692 --> 01:04:30,512
problems with imperialism and you can look back and it's easy to look back on your ancestors and

1066
01:04:30,512 --> 01:04:37,592
dump on them and talk about how horrible they are but it's like at minimum you can also say

1067
01:04:37,592 --> 01:04:43,812
god used these things yeah in history you know and then even more than that you could say actually

1068
01:04:43,812 --> 01:04:48,992
there was good things that they did and it wasn't all bad. And to learn to appreciate that and

1069
01:04:48,992 --> 01:04:53,072
recognize there's some nuance there and it's, it's not all a hundred percent good, a hundred

1070
01:04:53,072 --> 01:05:00,312
percent evil, but yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's like, I will say, you know, probably most of us

1071
01:05:00,312 --> 01:05:06,072
and most Christians, I mean, Jordan, you've been a missionary. I've been a missionary. Um, most of

1072
01:05:06,072 --> 01:05:10,732
us probably do need to care more about the lost and do need to care more throughout the nations.

1073
01:05:10,732 --> 01:05:33,652
And David Platt, I think, you know, is being very heavy handed with kind of laying, really laying on the guilt trip about how you're big, bad Americans, you don't do enough. But it's like, yeah, you know, there is a good reminder there of it's not just about us. And it's not just about like, well, I'm all good. So I don't know. I'm giving one and a half cheers to David Platt. We probably should care more about evangelism and reaching the lost.

1074
01:05:33,652 --> 01:05:40,832
But that's not what he's saying. He's saying that the primary reason is because people don't want to share the gospel.

1075
01:05:40,972 --> 01:05:41,452
That's totally crazy.

1076
01:05:41,732 --> 01:05:47,372
Is because they're like, oh, we love America too much. America is more important.

1077
01:05:48,472 --> 01:05:55,992
I think there's another quote that Bill Smith had posted where David Platt says in this new book, you know, if you're not willing to move your entire family to the Middle East.

1078
01:05:56,252 --> 01:05:56,832
Oh my God.

1079
01:05:56,832 --> 01:05:57,432
If you're not a real Christian.

1080
01:05:57,832 --> 01:05:58,392
Like what?

1081
01:05:58,712 --> 01:05:59,992
Okay, no, that's not true.

1082
01:05:59,992 --> 01:06:04,552
But Jesus does call a lot of us to do really hard things.

1083
01:06:05,052 --> 01:06:06,092
Arguably all of us.

1084
01:06:06,332 --> 01:06:09,612
You know, does it mean you have to go to Saudi Arabia to be a missionary?

1085
01:06:09,792 --> 01:06:09,932
No.

1086
01:06:10,292 --> 01:06:15,012
But I do think there is an element of like, yeah, following Jesus is hard and it's costly.

1087
01:06:15,732 --> 01:06:15,952
Yes.

1088
01:06:16,492 --> 01:06:18,372
We all, we 100% agree.

1089
01:06:18,632 --> 01:06:29,892
Like this is, but to attribute like nationalism, like what he's aiming at is Israel in the Old Testament when they, you know, or like in, you know, Jesus's time where they hated the Gentiles.

1090
01:06:29,892 --> 01:06:32,892
and they didn't want the gospel to go to them.

1091
01:06:33,312 --> 01:06:34,932
I wouldn't even say that they didn't want to

1092
01:06:34,932 --> 01:06:36,352
because it was the Pharisees.

1093
01:06:36,812 --> 01:06:39,452
And then some of the early church,

1094
01:06:39,612 --> 01:06:44,432
there was confusion over what does this look like?

1095
01:06:44,792 --> 01:06:46,872
What does the inclusion of the Gentiles look like?

1096
01:06:47,152 --> 01:06:52,172
But to even describe that as if they were somehow hostile,

1097
01:06:52,852 --> 01:06:55,112
I mean, Paul is going out and he's a missionary.

1098
01:06:55,312 --> 01:06:57,192
He's sending other people on missions trips.

1099
01:06:57,192 --> 01:07:05,092
like this this is an insane thing to say this is yeah i mean david platt come on guy we yeah

1100
01:07:05,092 --> 01:07:09,892
this is just not good all right um we can move on there from there miles thank you we will be

1101
01:07:09,892 --> 01:07:13,652
tagging you below maybe we can get some of these guys on on the show we can we can definitely

1102
01:07:13,652 --> 01:07:18,432
hopefully get james at some point um let's see where do we want to go from here we've got uh

1103
01:07:18,432 --> 01:07:23,572
you got caitlin long i say we leave that one uh let's let's look at a listen speaking of

1104
01:07:23,572 --> 01:07:28,412
nationalism let's look at a collapsing german uh ponzi pension system that's that's a great one

1105
01:07:28,412 --> 01:07:32,812
the uh the threads write themselves here uh let me see here

1106
01:07:32,812 --> 01:07:40,892
this is professor saint ong uh or onge onge something i don't know how to pronounce it

1107
01:07:40,892 --> 01:07:48,152
uh let's germany's pension ponzi is collapsing and america is not far behind the warning comes

1108
01:07:48,152 --> 01:07:50,272
from one Thomas Colby Zero Edge,

1109
01:07:50,352 --> 01:07:52,212
who notes that Germany's pension scheme

1110
01:07:52,212 --> 01:07:53,952
is already out of money.

1111
01:07:54,672 --> 01:07:56,112
It's staying only by annual

1112
01:07:56,112 --> 01:07:58,912
123 billion euro infusions

1113
01:07:58,912 --> 01:07:59,932
from the federal budget.

1114
01:08:00,232 --> 01:08:02,792
That's a quarter of Germany's federal budget.

1115
01:08:03,032 --> 01:08:03,932
So in U.S. terms,

1116
01:08:04,052 --> 01:08:05,512
it's like transferring an annual

1117
01:08:05,512 --> 01:08:07,252
trillion and a half

1118
01:08:07,252 --> 01:08:09,112
to Social Security's whole.

1119
01:08:09,672 --> 01:08:11,392
The problem is Germany has a so-called

1120
01:08:11,392 --> 01:08:13,612
pay-as-you-go pension system,

1121
01:08:14,152 --> 01:08:16,432
meaning they spent all the surpluses

1122
01:08:16,432 --> 01:08:17,492
in the first couple decades,

1123
01:08:17,492 --> 01:08:23,252
the buildup of the Ponzi. Then when it hits zero, they have to plug the hole from current taxes.

1124
01:08:23,832 --> 01:08:29,492
By the way, American Social Security works exactly the same way with our zero point set to hit in

1125
01:08:29,492 --> 01:08:34,672
about eight to ten years. But it's already hit in Germany for three reasons. A shrinking work

1126
01:08:34,672 --> 01:08:39,852
course, Germans aren't having babies, soaring government spending driven by low-income welfare

1127
01:08:39,852 --> 01:08:46,172
gobbling migrants, along with massive increases in military spending. And third, suicidal green

1128
01:08:46,172 --> 01:08:52,392
energy policies, destroying jobs and economic growth. That pays for it all. So Germany has just

1129
01:08:52,392 --> 01:08:58,452
46 million workers, but has 21 million pensioners. That's growing by about half a million a year.

1130
01:08:59,032 --> 01:09:04,592
In other words, there's just two workers for every retiree in Germany. As for spending,

1131
01:09:04,772 --> 01:09:10,252
migrant unemployment benefits alone cost about $200 billion a year in U.S. terms,

1132
01:09:10,812 --> 01:09:15,712
throw in remedial schooling, many of them can't read, free housing and free health care,

1133
01:09:15,712 --> 01:09:21,532
and that could double. On top, NATO members just pledged to triple military spending to

1134
01:09:21,532 --> 01:09:27,312
pacify Trump, which would cost Germany, again in US terms, hundreds of billions per year.

1135
01:09:27,732 --> 01:09:32,652
Meanwhile, the German economy has been limping at just 1.2% growth for a decade now,

1136
01:09:33,252 --> 01:09:37,912
thanks to massive overregulation and a government that takes half of GDP.

1137
01:09:38,692 --> 01:09:44,912
Industrial output is actually below what it was in 2013. It nosedived in 2020,

1138
01:09:44,912 --> 01:09:48,672
when Germany effectively banned fossil fuels and nuclear,

1139
01:09:49,332 --> 01:09:51,412
shutting down generation plants one by one.

1140
01:09:51,632 --> 01:09:55,992
So far, they have shuttered nearly 14% of power generation.

1141
01:09:56,532 --> 01:09:58,532
This has nearly tripled energy prices,

1142
01:09:58,532 --> 01:10:03,792
which destroyed productivity in energy-intensive manufacturing like steel and cars.

1143
01:10:03,992 --> 01:10:07,972
It's now 20% below where it was in 2019.

1144
01:10:08,672 --> 01:10:12,152
Manufacturing lost 120,000 jobs in the last year alone.

1145
01:10:12,152 --> 01:10:14,932
U.S. terms, that's like losing half a million.

1146
01:10:15,512 --> 01:10:20,712
That's all matters because Donald Trump is doing everything he can to lure German industry

1147
01:10:20,712 --> 01:10:25,732
to the U.S., along with their five and a half million jobs with lower red tape and taxes,

1148
01:10:25,952 --> 01:10:29,212
lower energy prices, and a big, beautiful tariff umbrella.

1149
01:10:29,772 --> 01:10:31,772
So what's next brought to you by I Trust Capital.

1150
01:10:32,072 --> 01:10:35,952
For now, Germany will keep popping up the Ponzi by hiking.

1151
01:10:36,172 --> 01:10:36,992
All right, there we go.

1152
01:10:36,992 --> 01:10:40,332
So Peter is outlying this problem.

1153
01:10:40,332 --> 01:10:44,532
He's basically saying, hey, some of this is of our own making, right?

1154
01:10:44,612 --> 01:10:50,132
Some of this, and this is where, again, there's people who just want to put this all in the hands of immigrants.

1155
01:10:50,252 --> 01:10:51,352
Oh, we have so many immigrants.

1156
01:10:52,732 --> 01:10:53,612
They're the problem.

1157
01:10:53,712 --> 01:10:54,492
That's the only problem.

1158
01:10:54,632 --> 01:10:57,152
We should just talk about immigrants all the time and be frustrated with them.

1159
01:10:57,992 --> 01:11:01,572
And kind of what he's saying is, yeah, but you haven't been having kids.

1160
01:11:01,972 --> 01:11:09,412
And so a lot of these populations, whether it's in the United States or around the globe, a lot of these places in Europe, they haven't been having kids.

1161
01:11:09,412 --> 01:11:24,352
And so they don't have people to, you know, replace and be, you know, tax, not even taxpayers, but just like to be working, to be contributing cogs of the wheel, basically, as far as they're concerned.

1162
01:11:25,072 --> 01:11:30,932
And so, yeah, this is a whole thing of like, you can choose your actions, but you don't get to choose your consequences.

1163
01:11:32,032 --> 01:11:32,632
And so-

1164
01:11:32,632 --> 01:11:37,272
In some ways, it's like a national level picture of what we were talking about earlier with kind of the Peter Thiel.

1165
01:11:37,272 --> 01:11:37,892
oh if we

1166
01:11:37,892 --> 01:11:38,712
you can therefore

1167
01:11:38,712 --> 01:11:39,532
you should

1168
01:11:39,532 --> 01:11:40,292
and we can just

1169
01:11:40,292 --> 01:11:41,252
kind of solve our way

1170
01:11:41,252 --> 01:11:41,912
out of all these problems

1171
01:11:41,912 --> 01:11:42,492
and it's like

1172
01:11:42,492 --> 01:11:43,852
you ultimately

1173
01:11:43,852 --> 01:11:44,792
hit reality

1174
01:11:44,792 --> 01:11:45,812
and you hit math

1175
01:11:45,812 --> 01:11:47,372
and you hit God

1176
01:11:47,372 --> 01:11:47,992
ultimately

1177
01:11:47,992 --> 01:11:48,512
and they

1178
01:11:48,512 --> 01:11:49,152
you know

1179
01:11:49,152 --> 01:11:50,032
all these things

1180
01:11:50,032 --> 01:11:50,452
are being done

1181
01:11:50,452 --> 01:11:51,212
with great intentions

1182
01:11:51,212 --> 01:11:52,352
you know

1183
01:11:52,352 --> 01:11:53,272
in the

1184
01:11:53,272 --> 01:11:54,092
kind of

1185
01:11:54,092 --> 01:11:55,512
Chesterton says somewhere

1186
01:11:55,512 --> 01:11:55,832
you know

1187
01:11:55,832 --> 01:11:57,132
the problem with the modern world

1188
01:11:57,132 --> 01:11:57,452
is that

1189
01:11:57,452 --> 01:11:58,412
the Christian virtues

1190
01:11:58,412 --> 01:11:59,132
have run mad

1191
01:11:59,132 --> 01:11:59,872
you know

1192
01:11:59,872 --> 01:12:01,012
we kind of

1193
01:12:01,012 --> 01:12:02,312
overemphasize some Christian virtues

1194
01:12:02,312 --> 01:12:03,292
at the expense of others

1195
01:12:03,292 --> 01:12:03,972
and

1196
01:12:03,972 --> 01:12:05,692
you end up destroying yourself

1197
01:12:05,692 --> 01:12:06,092
even though

1198
01:12:06,092 --> 01:12:06,692
you could look at it

1199
01:12:06,692 --> 01:12:06,892
and say

1200
01:12:06,892 --> 01:12:07,132
oh no

1201
01:12:07,132 --> 01:12:12,192
but we're all about compassion and empathy and we're going to help the poor and it's like you

1202
01:12:12,192 --> 01:12:16,412
know that that's a really sad thing is that ends up hurting the weakest and the poorest most of all

1203
01:12:16,412 --> 01:12:19,852
and you know this is why we're so excited about bitcoin and trying to help people especially you

1204
01:12:19,852 --> 01:12:24,352
know savers and people who are trying to save for the future because it's like yeah these people

1205
01:12:24,352 --> 01:12:28,952
probably get their pensions but it will be in printed worthless euros that they won't be able

1206
01:12:28,952 --> 01:12:29,592
to buy anything with.

1207
01:12:30,492 --> 01:12:30,592
Yeah.

1208
01:12:31,552 --> 01:12:34,172
Nothing stops this train.

1209
01:12:35,492 --> 01:12:36,372
And with that,

1210
01:12:36,532 --> 01:12:38,032
we will stop this pod.

1211
01:12:38,272 --> 01:12:40,092
We are grateful for you guys.

1212
01:12:40,292 --> 01:12:41,652
Thank you for taking part

1213
01:12:41,652 --> 01:12:42,752
in episode 19

1214
01:12:42,752 --> 01:12:43,832
of To the Unknown Pod.

1215
01:12:43,952 --> 01:12:44,652
We'll be back,

1216
01:12:44,772 --> 01:12:45,732
hopefully with Oshawa

1217
01:12:45,732 --> 01:12:46,492
and the Island Boys

1218
01:12:46,492 --> 01:12:47,392
on Tuesday.

1219
01:12:48,312 --> 01:12:49,872
Again, if you're listening to this

1220
01:12:49,872 --> 01:12:50,672
and you like what you're hearing

1221
01:12:50,672 --> 01:12:51,592
and you'd like to hear more

1222
01:12:51,592 --> 01:12:52,852
and you'd like to incentivize us

1223
01:12:52,852 --> 01:12:53,392
to do more,

1224
01:12:53,672 --> 01:12:54,792
one way that you can do that

1225
01:12:54,792 --> 01:12:57,332
is by going and leaving reviews

1226
01:12:57,332 --> 01:12:58,672
on Apple and Spotify.

1227
01:12:58,672 --> 01:13:01,732
Those are the two most influential podcast sites.

1228
01:13:01,932 --> 01:13:05,652
And then you can also like these live videos on YouTube.

1229
01:13:06,792 --> 01:13:08,252
We are grateful for you all.

1230
01:13:08,372 --> 01:13:11,672
If you're listening, Jordan needs to finish this Kickstarter campaign.

1231
01:13:12,232 --> 01:13:12,472
That's right.

1232
01:13:12,652 --> 01:13:12,992
Another $600.

1233
01:13:13,352 --> 01:13:14,212
Peter Thiel, come on.

1234
01:13:15,112 --> 01:13:15,872
Absolutely, yes.

1235
01:13:15,992 --> 01:13:19,232
Peter, actually, all you have to do is you can choose any of the tiers,

1236
01:13:19,512 --> 01:13:22,392
and then once you get to check out, you can actually choose to donate even more.

1237
01:13:22,492 --> 01:13:25,032
So just feel free to throw a few hundred million at that.

1238
01:13:25,592 --> 01:13:27,932
This will be a much better use than putting it towards Palantir.

1239
01:13:27,932 --> 01:13:29,592
Jim will be much happier

1240
01:13:29,592 --> 01:13:30,812
Jordan will get you

1241
01:13:30,812 --> 01:13:31,972
a custom inscription

1242
01:13:31,972 --> 01:13:33,172
on the Bitcoin blockchain

1243
01:13:33,172 --> 01:13:34,452
to sign your book

1244
01:13:34,452 --> 01:13:36,072
I would not

1245
01:13:36,072 --> 01:13:37,092
I would turn down

1246
01:13:37,092 --> 01:13:38,092
hundreds of millions of dollars

1247
01:13:38,092 --> 01:13:39,132
hundreds of millions of dollars

1248
01:13:39,132 --> 01:13:39,972
rather than put an inscription

1249
01:13:39,972 --> 01:13:40,612
on Bitcoin blockchain

1250
01:13:40,612 --> 01:13:42,252
that's a good question

1251
01:13:42,252 --> 01:13:43,632
we should talk about that next time

1252
01:13:43,632 --> 01:13:44,472
is it worth

1253
01:13:44,472 --> 01:13:44,932
would you

1254
01:13:44,932 --> 01:13:45,692
would you accept

1255
01:13:45,692 --> 01:13:46,572
a hundred million dollars

1256
01:13:46,572 --> 01:13:47,432
and do an inscription

1257
01:13:47,432 --> 01:13:48,412
this is

1258
01:13:48,412 --> 01:13:49,192
this is Satan

1259
01:13:49,192 --> 01:13:50,452
standing on top of the temple

1260
01:13:50,452 --> 01:13:51,492
telling Jesus to jump

1261
01:13:51,492 --> 01:13:51,812
you know

1262
01:13:51,812 --> 01:13:52,512
look at all the good

1263
01:13:52,512 --> 01:13:52,952
that'll come

1264
01:13:52,952 --> 01:13:53,852
I don't know if it's quite

1265
01:13:53,852 --> 01:13:54,372
on that level

1266
01:13:54,372 --> 01:13:55,852
man does not live

1267
01:13:55,852 --> 01:13:56,812
by inscriptions alone

1268
01:13:56,812 --> 01:13:57,312
for sure

1269
01:13:57,312 --> 01:13:59,732
anyhow we are

1270
01:13:59,732 --> 01:14:02,092
grateful for you guys Jim Tim thank you guys

1271
01:14:02,092 --> 01:14:04,192
go check out Magnolia Doubt Foundation

1272
01:14:04,192 --> 01:14:06,092
and see what

1273
01:14:06,092 --> 01:14:07,712
they're doing they're doing a lot of good work

1274
01:14:07,712 --> 01:14:10,092
we are grateful for you we'll see you in the next episode

1275
01:14:10,092 --> 01:14:11,412
of To The Unknown Pod