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Matt Smith, welcome to the Thank God for Bitcoin podcast.

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My pleasure to be here, Jordan. Thanks for asking me to be on.

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All right. So for those who aren't familiar with who you are, why don't you introduce yourself?

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I'm 50 years old, you know, so it's like, where do you start?

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Well, I'll tell you now, I'm a serial entrepreneur, started a lot of businesses over the course of my life.

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the most recent one that people could see, I guess, is a business called Royalty Exchange,

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which is a marketplace for music royalties. Oh, no way. Yeah, I no longer run that business. I

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have one of my protégés as the CEO of it currently, but I still own the majority of it.

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But, you know, I live in Uruguay on a cattle ranch, and I do a podcast with the legendary

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Doug Casey, who's my personal hero and a good friend of mine. And I have two kids, one who's

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just turned 20, one who is about to turn 18. Scary. My daughter about to turn 18. And so my

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primary concerns are, my focus is just trying to make sure they launch well into the world.

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And, you know, which gets us to the book part. But yeah, I just, you know, I start businesses.

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If you leave me alone for too long, I'll end up starting something.

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That's kind of how it works.

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Love it.

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So, yeah, we are here to kind of get to meet you a little bit and get to know you a little bit.

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And then to kind of chat about this book, The Preparation.

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Nice big book.

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I love workbook-sized things.

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It's great.

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It had to be.

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We tried it in different formats.

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We just couldn't make it work.

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It'd be like 500 pages and hard to use.

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No, I absolutely love it.

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It's great.

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So we're going to chat about that a little bit.

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first of all, I just want to kind of hear your story. So you're a serial entrepreneur,

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you start businesses, you had this other business and now you're living on a cattle ranch.

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Are, are, is it a working ranch? Are you guys, you know, producing steer and stuff?

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Yeah. Yeah. We've, we've got, uh, um, like a little over 300 head of cattle and 150 of them

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are pregnant. And, you know, so we've got a bunch of babies. It's a calving season now. So we're

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right in the middle of it. Yeah. It's, um, yeah, it's, it's all regenerative, you know, so it's,

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we're trying to make it work and uh this is our you know we started in 2022 so you know this is

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what we're getting to full scale with the property we have at this point so finally we're getting

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really close to i will probably handle a little more but um yeah it's a it's an interesting

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business because i'm used to businesses that move really fast yeah you know where you iterate really

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quickly this is like a annual iteration yeah so it's like you know you get it you get a wallow in

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your mistakes for a year before you can really correct them but it's great it's beautiful we're

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surrounded by life you know with all the animals here and i mean it's a beautiful place and we love

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it very happy that's awesome and well i mean i want to chat a little bit about uruguay in a little

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bit but just kind of going back a little bit so the the music business how in the world did you get

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into the music business well it wasn't really yeah so i wasn't in the music business at all

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but i knew people that were in the music business and you know i learned one of one of my friends

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i was traveling with him in italy and um he's a producer and a manager and he managed some some

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big acts that you would know for sure okay and he was telling me that during the financial crisis

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that he was that basically these some artists were really needed access to capital and so

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were selling rights to their music.

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Wow.

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Essentially these royalty streams for prices that were unbelievable to me.

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You know, when I look at what was, what's available on the market, you know, where it

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could get that kind of a yield, I mean, it was nothing close to it.

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And so I thought that was, so that kind of piqued my interest at first.

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I'm like, well, how can I get some of those?

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Like, how does that work?

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And so that's, it started there really just trying to understand how you could, how these

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assets work.

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They're very esoteric and confusing.

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So it started there, and then I learned that there are kind of two groups that I really don't like.

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I really don't like people involved in music, the music business.

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I like artists.

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Yep.

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Okay?

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Do not like the people, the lawyers.

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Yeah.

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And I don't like finance people, generally.

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There are some exceptions to this.

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This is just demonstrating that you're a good human being, but continue.

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Both of these groups kind of have the same problem.

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They both view the world as a fixed pie.

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In order for them to win, you have to lose.

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Correct. Yep.

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And so I thought that if we could sort of disintermediate them,

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essentially making it so the artists could liquidate portions of their royalties

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as much as they wanted,

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you know,

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not necessarily have

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a whole catalog

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or all the rights

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where they have

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a lot more control over it

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and not have to go through

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these gatekeepers

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in the music business.

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And that you could make it

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so the general public

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essentially could buy these things.

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Then that felt like,

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it felt good to me,

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honestly.

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I just liked,

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I liked the idea of that,

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of, you know,

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of opposing those two groups

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that I generally don't

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get along well with.

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So that was really

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the reason for it.

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Yeah, so you kind of played intermediary between those two worlds.

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Exactly.

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And so we had to invent a lot of weird stuff, even the way to, because everyone thinks of music as totally unique.

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Yeah.

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Right?

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I mean, like, how do you value music?

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Yeah.

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Well, so we had to invent, like, the methodology for valuing it.

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And it's pretty simple.

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It's like just a financial analysis, looking at the length.

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You're using the Lindy effect, right?

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Yep.

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The longer something's around, the more likely it's going to be around.

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Sure.

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a big impact. So we, so, you know, a couple, a couple of key things like that we had to invent

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along the way to make it work, but yeah, the business is, you know, it's not like a gigantic

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blockbuster success, but it produces plenty of free cashflow and it's working. It's making

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customers happy. So we like it. That's wild, man. So basically when we first started this podcast,

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I was reaching out, I had a couple of bands in mind that I wanted to use one of their song,

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one or two of their songs for the intro music on the podcast. So I was like looking around and the

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one band, I found everything pretty easily, pretty straightforward. But this other band,

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they had had records with four or five different companies. And I spent literally a week or two

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trying to find and track down the rights to this one song. And I could not do it.

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I'm like, guys, I want to give you money. Like I really, I mean, I'm willing to pay,

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but I just couldn't figure it out because it's such a rat's nest.

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It is a rat's nest. It is a rat's nest. I mean, and it's weird because there's also,

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and we could go so deep in music royalties uh you know there's like there's two parts to it

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there's the sound recording that's the actual music you hear yep all right and then there's the

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the songwriter yeah portion yes so it's like it's like the publishing and there's one part of it and

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then the sound recording is the other yeah and you really need the permission of both and often

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different companies or different people involved in order to use it yeah it's horrible yeah there's

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I'll share this real quick.

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So we're going to chat about Bitcoin later.

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But there's a website that's called Wave Lake.

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Are you familiar with this?

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Have you heard of this?

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No.

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So basically, Wave Lake, it's trying to disintermediate the music world.

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And so what you can do, I can't see here, but what you can do, I guess I'll try this.

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You can upload music directly to here.

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On the back end, you can set up music splits.

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So if you've got your music people, your writing team, you can set up splits.

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and then as people, people can stream you Bitcoin in real time as you're listening.

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So, you know, for as long as you're listening to it, you can get paid out and you're getting

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paid in real time versus having to wait a month or two or three, whatever, for the music to clear.

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And so there's, it's cool to think about what could happen eventually.

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For independent artists, that stuff is great.

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Yes, exactly.

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But if they're tied up in the label network, I mean, no chance.

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I was just had this conversation with somebody the other day and he was asking all the same

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questions he's like so what would it look like for like taylor swift to bring her catalog and so we

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were like talking through what that would look like and in her case it actually probably would

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be easier because she owns her own catalog she does well yeah she owns a version of her catalog

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yeah exactly yeah yeah yeah exactly so but for others so that's what we were talking about i was

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like as a forward-facing thing it can actually be really interesting it would still it's that

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wouldn't necessarily provide the same benefit to people who've already have catalogs that are owned

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by other people and all that kind of stuff well that's fascinating i would love to do another call

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where we kind of talk about that and how you got interested in that.

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So, but in terms of this book, which again, guys, go get this book.

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It's a great copy.

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It's a really interesting book.

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You can get the hardcover copy for a hundred bucks, 99 bucks,

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which some people I've watched in the comments or in the reviews

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and people were like balking at that.

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I don't balk at that at all.

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As somebody who's published two books right behind me

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and then have a third kid's book on the way,

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Like the cost of publishing in America and doing things right is just going to be more than it is.

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And so it's just a way to kind of raise.

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Let me say about the $100 version.

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It's full color.

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And there was an attempt on my part to try and make it as beautiful as possible.

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So because, you know, I imagine like, you know, I'm a father and I want my son to read it.

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And luckily my son, if I say, hey, I think this is really important.

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he usually, you know, will like give it a, you know, a reasonable look. But like, it's,

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I know it's not that way with all parents. And so it's designed as a lure. Like when the young

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man holds a book, he will know he hasn't hold a book like that before. And he starts flipping

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through it. Maybe it just brings him into it a little bit. Maybe he just reads the preface,

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reads my son's story, you know, and then it starts to bring him in. So that was the reason for that.

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but of course it's offered on you know kindle for a lot cheaper and there's the paperback version but

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exactly yeah well and and again i think one of the you mentioned the scarcity mindset like one

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of the problems that you have with finance people and in the music world is like they can tend to

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look at this like uh you know just split everything down into money and how much can i how much value

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can i extract from these artists for my own benefit and one of the things that i've just

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been working on for reasons that we can get into later. But I've just been thinking, just looking

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at, rather than just looking at how much money can I make, looking at like what, how much value can I

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add? And so this book purports to be something that can replace a college education to basically

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help you be a productive, ethical, you know, just hardworking man out in the world. And if it lives

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up to that, then a hundred bucks is a joke of a price. And so based on, I mean, some of the reviews

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that you have, I actually found you out of nowhere. It was a, it was an ad on, on Twitter, uh, that

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featured a quote from Tom Woods, been a listener to Tom Woods and a Tom Woods appreciator for a

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very long time. And Tom Woods said something to the effect of the quote was, I have the degrees

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from all the places that people would want to get degrees from. And I would trade it all to do what

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they do in this, what they talk about doing in this book. And so that kind of floored me from

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coming from somebody like Tom Woods. But again, I think that just makes all the sense in the world.

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And so again, if there's a hardcover version, you want to invest in that. And this is how I

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kind of think about it, would be I bought the paperback version. And if this ends up being

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something, because I've got younger kids who are just reaching teenage years, if this is something

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that we end up doing and it ends up being a meaningful part of the life, I'll go get the

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hardback cover and come find you in Uruguay and come get you to sign it. And I'll be happy to do

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it. So, yeah. So, kind of tell me, I mean, you mentioned on the interview, I've watched a few

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different interviews with you, with people asking about the genesis of the book. But for those who

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haven't seen those, how did this thing come about? Yeah. Well, it's been a long time coming.

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Doug Casey, like I said, my personal hero and good friend of mine, probably 12 years ago,

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you know plus or minus one i was visiting him in aspen i lived in denver at the time and i'd go

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up during summer or he'd always be in the summer we'd spend some time together and we were driving

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to lunch one day and he said you know matt i've been wanting to write this book for a long time

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um called the renaissance man and uh you know i'm like okay well tell me more about it and you know

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doug can be very sometimes he could sometimes he can you know expand deeply and for a long time

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on a physical topic and other times it just is very vague and he said well you know the three

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most important verbs in virtually every language are be do and have and i want the book to be about

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that and i was like okay what do you mean and he said i'm not really sure and uh you know and i

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kind of ended there for that for that day but he'd bring it up every couple of years with me

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and say yeah i really want to do this book i really want to do this book and it took me a long

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time to figure out what he meant by be do have which i'll explain because it's very important

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and um but it really wasn't until my son was approaching 18 and i could see in him

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the anxiety he had about his future and what he was going to do and this was also in the

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era so like things were more screwy but um you know and also because i'm a college dropout you

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And I only, and as an entrepreneur, I didn't propagandize him with like, college is the key to success.

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Which maybe if I'd done that, he might have had less anxiety and he might have been, you know, at least.

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But so he, you know, he was decided on his own that he didn't want to go to college.

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He always kind of knew that, I guess.

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And so I could see in him this stress and this like almost fear about the future.

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and and so i felt an obligation to try and do what i could to fix that and that this book is really

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was done for him uh first and foremost uh it's it wouldn't be quite as well constructed if it

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were just for him uh it took a lot but i've heard it put the polish on it to make it so it could be

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published and useful for everybody but that's really the reason for it and let me get back to

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this be do have part because this is really important our society is completely oriented

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around half it's we think about our goals are oriented in having uh especially in a mass consumer

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culture we're surrounded by it constantly and i also discuss in the book like the psychology

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behind it the effect it has on all of us when you know humans tend to want what others want

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and um and so have dominates but what people don't understand is that have is a byproduct

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It's not a, you get it by doing.

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Yeah.

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And doing is the operative.

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Doing is the key.

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Action is what really matters.

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And especially when you're a young man and you have enormous amounts of energy.

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And you're like open to novelty in a way that you, as you get older, it starts to shut down, you know?

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Yeah.

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Which I've been trying to read Kindle and myself because of this book and because of seeing what my son has been doing along the way.

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So do is the operative.

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Do is where the power is.

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do is something that you can that you can that you can affect but the only thing that really

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matters is the bee the bee and no one no one ever asks a young man well what they do ask them is

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like what are you gonna do when you grow up from when you're little i'm sure with your kids it's

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like you know it's like it's like it's like what they can imagine it's a fireman or it's a astronaut

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or whatever right that's what it is stuff like that when they're young as they get older the

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questions get this question is the same but way more serious yeah and you're expected to have an

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answer like and basically what the question fundamentally is saying is who are you going

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to work for yeah like who's going so you can pay the bills you guys you can pay the rent and if you

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don't have a responsible answer to that uh then people look at you pretty poorly and the only

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responsible answer if you're uh well for 53 percent of americans apparently is to go to college

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And college is, in Doug's words, you know, he said this way back in the 80s.

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He went to Georgetown.

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I mean, he's a high, unlike me, he's a highly educated man.

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He thought it was a giant misallocation of his time and capital.

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And that's when it was cheap.

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And that was, and it was for a very prestigious university.

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So that's always been true, but it's also become much worse since then.

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And we can talk about the downside of college.

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But anyway, no, but no one ever asks, what kind of man do you want to become?

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What kind of man do you want to be?

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And this is very much something that drew me to this book is, and I'll just kind of give you a little of our background, where I'm coming from.

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So we're Christians.

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And so when we look, I look around, I look at the college atmosphere.

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I mean, we're recording this a week removed from the death of Charlie Kirk, murdered on a college campus because of just people who don't tolerate free speech, which is ostensibly one of the reasons why you go to college is to have your ideas challenged.

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And so obviously more and more of the college campus is becoming something that you can't even recognize, I would imagine, you know, in many ways.

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And so this has been something that's a very live issue for a lot of people in my orbit.

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But we're also, you know, I have five kids.

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I've got friends.

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Congratulations.

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And good for you.

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I'm proud of you.

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Yeah, thank you.

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So, well, if you can believe this.

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So the other three members who normally host this podcast today on Tuesdays, I have the least amount of kids of the four of us.

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Holy cow.

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The biggest one, he has eight kids.

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And then it's two of them who have six.

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And then I bring up the rear with five.

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Man, I love it.

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I'm a total.

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I only have two.

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I'm a pro natalist, man.

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I encourage people to have kids as much as possible.

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I wish I had more.

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I really do.

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And so, yeah, it's a lot, all of us who are on this pod, who are, you know, host this

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podcast, I mean, you are, you're very much a kindred spirit of ours.

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Just, I mean, they're, these are guys who are entrepreneurs.

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They've started businesses.

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They lived in multiple multiple countries or multiple places around the world starting businesses at the same time as they you know ministering in different capacities um training their kids

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You know, there, there's, uh, one of the guys, he's got a 19 year old and, uh, and, and I think

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the next one is either 17 or 18 years old. Both of them have been, you know, working on, yeah,

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one of them, they both have been, one of them has been a programmer since he was 11 years old.

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The other one's been, uh, you know, working on photography and videography for the last five

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years. And so very much, a lot of these ideas are just resonating with us a lot. But just for the

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sake of the audience, can you just unpack a little bit about Doug? I read the little,

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it looks like a handwritten page. It is handwritten. I hand wrote it in there.

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So the description of the three, the tri-part description of how to describe Doug Casey was

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incredible to me. I'll have to read it to remind myself, honestly. But Doug Casey is part Indiana

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jones part socrates part james bond and he's lived different chapters of his life like each of them

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yeah and this is absolutely true doug is the most interesting man in the world he's 79 now

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so you wouldn't get it if you'd see him today but this man has done he's been a competitive shooter

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he's been incredibly financially successful he's published lots of books i mean he's a he's a

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celebrity in a small world um you know uh those who know him really know him um i mean really know

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of him but he's just he's done he's been played professional polo i mean yeah he's got he's like

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he's you know what is it 57 jumps as a skydiver i mean he's you know scuba diving like he lived

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his life full of adventure sure yeah i mean i've gone with him to tiny countries to try and convince

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them to reform their governments you know because that's his personal hobby wow you know i mean

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yeah that's incredible so so how did you guys meet where where did this initiate well i so i

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was a fan of his i was a reader of his okay um he wrote a book just for the audience he wrote a book

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called crisis investing that became like a bestseller he's written a bunch of other books since

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then yeah it was and it was like on the bestseller list for you know half the year in like 1980 it

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was a huge huge bestseller um but uh let's see i so i was a reader of his newsletters in the in the

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2000s and and he accurately predicted the financial crisis i so i sold my business and um you know i

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did my my daughter was two weeks old at the time and this was 2007 it was october of 2007 and i'm

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thinking i'm a i'm a believer the financial crisis is coming and so i'm i think i tell my wife i'm

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like i think i gotta go to argentina and look at some property and i know it's not a good time

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yeah i understand yeah daughter two weeks old right i'll make it as fast as possible you know

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i'll be in and out in three days it's a long you know i'll spend more time in the air really than

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there but i just get i gotta see so while i was down there looking for and and buying an apartment

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um one day i i as i walk out of the hotel lobby toward the sidewalk for an evening walk i literally

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run into him as he's walking by on the sidewalk that's how i actually met him yeah that's incredible

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yeah we moved out yeah we moved down to buenos aires then um a couple months later and then

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you know i ended up and it turns out i bought an apartment that was like eight blocks away from his

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you know it's uh yeah i don't know i don't know how these things happen sometimes but uh

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serendipity i guess but um you know i've just been a real strong admirer of him because he's

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He's helped shape the way I saw the world, which that's one of the greatest gifts you can give somebody.

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It's like, no, no, let me show you the way the world works.

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Yeah.

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So that's how I met him.

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That's incredible.

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Man.

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So, I mean, yeah, I mentioned to you I've lived in Montevideo, Uruguay, and then we spent some time in Buenos Aires.

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I've been over there multiple times and actually saw U2 play in 2017 for their 30th anniversary of the Joshua Tree Tour.

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We really enjoyed that.

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Always spent a time there.

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But, man, they've gone through a whole lot of stuff.

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So I saw Doug mention – so he has – do you guys still have property in Argentina?

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He mentioned that he's at property in Argentina, in Uruguay, and then – I can't remember another one.

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I know he said somewhere stateside.

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Yeah, right.

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at the moment he's in Virginia.

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Virginia.

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So he has,

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he has a property there still now and he owns a lot in Argentina still.

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Yep.

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I mean,

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I mean like,

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uh,

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a lot,

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like one piece of property is like 50,000 hectares.

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Oh my gosh.

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So it's like that you get 2.2 times that to get acres.

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Yeah.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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So,

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so is he near,

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um,

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okay.

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So Joel Salatin is,

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plays a role in the book.

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Uh,

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Joel Salatin, friend of a friend.

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Do you know who John Moody is?

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The name sounds familiar.

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So John has spoken at a bunch of the conferences that Joel, he's a real close friend of Joel's.

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John's a good friend.

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We go semi-way back, probably about 15 years on the internet and stuff.

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And he's spoken at one of our conferences we did a couple years ago.

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So got that connection.

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So my eyes just lit up when I saw him in there.

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And then my family and my mom's side, their family farm is, I mean, I think within an hour of Joel's farm in Virginia.

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And so is Doug nearby there, him and Joel kicking around together or is it someplace further away?

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No, he's probably about an, like he's on the water.

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So he's probably about two hours away from there, hour and a half or so.

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But, you know, I will say I was lucky enough to have Joel here, host him for lunch here on our property.

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in Uruguay when he was down here for giving a speech.

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And, you know, I interacted with him a little bit, you know, online and stuff.

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Sure.

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But he's friends with Doug.

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He was a big fan of Doug's, actually.

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So when Doug showed up one day at his farm, you know, and Joel saw Doug there,

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he's like, Doug Casey, let me give you a tour, you know.

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So when I found out Joel was going to be down here, I'm like, yeah, come over for lunch.

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And, you know, Doug and he were here.

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And so I got him to get a little personal advice on the property and stuff.

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So I love it.

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Oh, that's incredible.

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So, yeah, I've also got a I've got a cousin who's in the in the cattle breeding world, more of the show cattle.

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But he, again, just real big fan.

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His grandfather is one of the most well-respected cattle breeders in that world.

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And so I've heard a little bit and discovered a little bit through him about, you know, cattle breeding and just what you can do in that world.

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So you and Doug meet, you guys start hanging out within this little window while you left your wife with a newborn in the United States.

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So what kind of came out of that first meeting?

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Was it something, hey, we're going to go become friends and write books together?

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Or was that a—

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No, not at all.

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In fact, I actually, you know, I'm never, like, I'm not impressed by stars.

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Sure.

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I've run into them, you know, people in film and whatever.

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Not impressed.

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Never.

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But when I met Doug, I actually made a total fool of myself.

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I really did.

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And because it was such a shock to me.

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It was the whole reason I was there.

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And so I think I came up to him and I said,

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Doug Casey, you're my hero.

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That's what I said.

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Okay.

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And of course, he's real cool.

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Yeah, exactly.

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you know and then as soon as you know and then i quickly gained some sense over what i did and i

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you know i'm you know i'm like oh i'm sorry you know i don't i'm not trying to accost you or

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anything you know but um but he was super polite and uh he was just walking back from dinner and

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uh you know and it was just nice to meet you and let it and then he left like that was it

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but then when i but then through other people well i said we moved on there two months later

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through other people, you know, people know people,

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ended up being connected with him again

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and meeting him various times, you know,

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while I was down there.

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And, you know, the first, I was with a group of people

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that were just hanging out with Doug one evening.

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There were probably four or five other people there.

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And Doug said, hey, you know, I got an invitation

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from the, you know, the president of Palau,

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which I didn't know what Palau was.

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As one does, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And he said, you know, anyone want to go with me?

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And, you know, I sold my business before that, right?

443
00:27:36,423 --> 00:27:39,183
So, financial crisis, you know, got out of the markets, all this shit.

444
00:27:39,483 --> 00:27:40,623
And I didn't have that much to do.

445
00:27:40,703 --> 00:27:43,823
So, I'm like, not even understanding what I'm signing up for.

446
00:27:43,883 --> 00:27:44,583
I'm like, oh, yeah.

447
00:27:44,743 --> 00:27:45,463
Oh, yeah, I'll go.

448
00:27:46,423 --> 00:27:48,723
So, you know, I get home and I'm Googling Palau.

449
00:27:48,943 --> 00:27:49,883
How do you spell that?

450
00:27:50,083 --> 00:27:52,883
You know, it's a South Pacific island, tiny little country.

451
00:27:52,883 --> 00:28:00,743
um anyway so so i ended up going with him a few times to palau um traveled with him a lot in

452
00:28:00,743 --> 00:28:06,703
different places actually over the years and basically i just i wanted to be around doug as

453
00:28:06,703 --> 00:28:11,663
much as i could so i was like any way i could provide any value to him in any way i tried to

454
00:28:11,663 --> 00:28:19,903
um if nothing else by you know being someone who is sincerely interested in learning from him i

455
00:28:19,903 --> 00:28:25,783
think that helped uh and then there was just this luck of proximity because we were so close in

456
00:28:25,783 --> 00:28:31,323
buenos aires eventually we moved back to the u.s and we're in denver colorado and turns out he

457
00:28:31,323 --> 00:28:37,303
spends his summers in aspen get out of here you know so you know just gave us lots of opportunity

458
00:28:37,303 --> 00:28:41,563
for us to spend time together and i would just any chance anytime if i ever got an invitation

459
00:28:41,563 --> 00:28:47,983
i said yes yeah you know and um yeah that's that's just then it's the number of years pile

460
00:28:47,983 --> 00:28:52,443
on with that kind of thing and yeah you know eventually uh you know i ran a company for a

461
00:28:52,443 --> 00:28:56,823
while the only job i've ever had was this uh newsletter publishing company a friend of my own

462
00:28:56,823 --> 00:29:00,643
he asked he got kind of big and he got a little out of control and he wanted some help

463
00:29:00,643 --> 00:29:05,343
just kind of burnt out so i ran that company for him for three and a half years and ended up buying

464
00:29:05,343 --> 00:29:13,903
doug's publishing company then and um anyway that was just uh yeah and i did lots of things with doug

465
00:29:13,903 --> 00:29:15,463
over the years, lots of different things,

466
00:29:15,583 --> 00:29:17,943
but nothing business-wise, really.

467
00:29:18,063 --> 00:29:19,343
We never did any business together,

468
00:29:19,443 --> 00:29:21,343
except, I mean, I was running a company

469
00:29:21,343 --> 00:29:22,763
that did buy his company, so you could say,

470
00:29:23,063 --> 00:29:24,443
technically we did then,

471
00:29:24,563 --> 00:29:26,203
but really the only thing we ever,

472
00:29:26,463 --> 00:29:28,823
was during COVID, we started this podcast

473
00:29:28,823 --> 00:29:30,483
that we do called Doug Casey's Take.

474
00:29:31,043 --> 00:29:33,023
And at that point, you know,

475
00:29:33,043 --> 00:29:34,943
the world was just messed up, right?

476
00:29:35,163 --> 00:29:37,563
And I was just, and I thought,

477
00:29:38,283 --> 00:29:40,783
we were kind of trapped at home anyway.

478
00:29:41,543 --> 00:29:42,483
So I'm like, Doug, how about

479
00:29:42,483 --> 00:29:45,163
the conversations that you and I have normally,

480
00:29:45,463 --> 00:29:46,763
why don't we just record them?

481
00:29:47,023 --> 00:29:47,223
Yeah.

482
00:29:47,403 --> 00:29:48,503
And just see how it goes.

483
00:29:48,803 --> 00:29:49,003
Yep.

484
00:29:49,143 --> 00:29:50,603
You know, give him something to do

485
00:29:50,603 --> 00:29:51,963
because he was kind of shut into,

486
00:29:52,123 --> 00:29:53,563
you know, from a social life.

487
00:29:53,743 --> 00:29:55,403
And that's,

488
00:29:55,563 --> 00:29:57,403
and so that was kind of the first business,

489
00:29:57,403 --> 00:29:58,503
which wasn't really a business.

490
00:29:58,823 --> 00:29:59,923
It isn't even a business now.

491
00:30:00,163 --> 00:30:02,423
Hard to say that we did.

492
00:30:02,523 --> 00:30:04,343
And then we ended up starting a newsletter after that

493
00:30:04,343 --> 00:30:07,823
because, you know, Doug's, you know,

494
00:30:07,823 --> 00:30:09,043
thinks that if we do anything,

495
00:30:09,123 --> 00:30:10,643
we should make money doing it.

496
00:30:10,643 --> 00:30:15,383
um you know he doesn't need the money and i don't need the money but so we started that and then

497
00:30:15,383 --> 00:30:21,643
um yeah i guess a couple other businesses since then but mostly what i've done is i've been i've

498
00:30:21,643 --> 00:30:26,663
been trying for the last three and a half years i would say in great part i've been trying really

499
00:30:26,663 --> 00:30:33,883
hard to help doug do the things that he really still wanted to do in his life because you know

500
00:30:33,883 --> 00:30:37,803
but didn't doesn't have the energy to do or doesn't have the inclination to do on his own

501
00:30:37,803 --> 00:30:41,683
because I just admire him so much and I'm just trying to help.

502
00:30:42,883 --> 00:30:43,663
I love it.

503
00:30:44,123 --> 00:30:47,063
Yeah, I mean, you talk in the book about mentorship

504
00:30:47,063 --> 00:30:50,923
and, I mean, it seems like really that's kind of what you found in him

505
00:30:50,923 --> 00:30:53,923
accidentally stumbling down on the street in Buenos Aires.

506
00:30:54,903 --> 00:30:59,483
Yeah, and I actually even considered him my mentor before I met him.

507
00:30:59,483 --> 00:30:59,683
Yeah.

508
00:30:59,823 --> 00:31:01,603
Because he changed the way I thought, you know?

509
00:31:01,603 --> 00:31:05,663
And a lot of people consider Doug a mentor of theirs, honestly.

510
00:31:06,143 --> 00:31:07,423
That's just the kind of guy he is.

511
00:31:07,423 --> 00:31:32,323
But, but yeah, but our relationship evolved into something different that I, that I described differently about mental relationships in the book, which is how mentorship relationships really in practice really do work effectively where it's a two way street, you know, it's not just me learning from Socrates, you know, uh, like it's, it's something where, you know, I, I, I'm additive, try to be additive.

512
00:31:32,903 --> 00:31:33,043
Yeah.

513
00:31:33,403 --> 00:31:35,083
And this is, man, it's such a great point.

514
00:31:35,183 --> 00:31:38,963
This is something that we, I've spoken about in relation to churches.

515
00:31:39,283 --> 00:31:44,123
So a lot of times you'll have churches where you'll have, it'll be a young person church,

516
00:31:44,523 --> 00:31:47,143
or it'll be like an older, or it'll be a family church.

517
00:31:47,143 --> 00:31:51,443
And it's pretty much almost exclusively families or pretty much exclusively young people.

518
00:31:51,703 --> 00:31:57,183
And really what you miss out on is the health and the, like really the beauty that comes

519
00:31:57,183 --> 00:32:00,103
when you have intergenerational groups of people.

520
00:32:00,103 --> 00:32:04,303
because you have this, you have the, you know, a lot of, in a lot of cases, you have the younger

521
00:32:04,303 --> 00:32:09,383
people who have all of this energy and all of this passion, but they don't have the wisdom

522
00:32:09,383 --> 00:32:14,183
of experience and they're just wisdom of the years, just through, even if you're just made

523
00:32:14,183 --> 00:32:18,663
horrible decisions, you can still learn from that. And then the middle-aged people or the families,

524
00:32:18,663 --> 00:32:23,923
they had passion. Now they have kids and they're sitting here like, man, is this how it's going to

525
00:32:23,923 --> 00:32:27,903
be forever? They're making it work. Exactly. They're making it work, but they can be sitting

526
00:32:27,903 --> 00:32:30,023
And they're like, is this how it's going to be forever?

527
00:32:30,283 --> 00:32:34,403
And so then to have older people who can help them see the light at the end of the tunnel

528
00:32:34,403 --> 00:32:35,583
is really vital.

529
00:32:36,043 --> 00:32:40,623
And then if you have older people, they have all of these, I mean, just all these stories,

530
00:32:40,703 --> 00:32:45,603
all these experiences that they can, you know, then share, they can share with the younger

531
00:32:45,603 --> 00:32:49,323
generations and they can encourage the families who are, you know, just like, Hey, this isn't

532
00:32:49,323 --> 00:32:50,043
going to last forever.

533
00:32:50,043 --> 00:32:54,223
You know, don't, don't despise these days because they go so quickly.

534
00:32:54,983 --> 00:32:56,463
So quickly, so quickly.

535
00:32:56,463 --> 00:33:02,303
And then they can be encouraged by the younger people, just by the energy that they have, which is kind of what you're describing.

536
00:33:02,443 --> 00:33:11,323
So it is such a beautiful thing, you know, the way that, you know, God's designed the world to work, where we all benefit from one another and doesn't leave room for us to despise each other.

537
00:33:11,863 --> 00:33:12,263
Right.

538
00:33:12,363 --> 00:33:14,183
You know, and that's what's happening now.

539
00:33:14,343 --> 00:33:14,543
Yeah.

540
00:33:14,783 --> 00:33:15,103
Right.

541
00:33:15,383 --> 00:33:18,143
This anti-boomer talk.

542
00:33:18,243 --> 00:33:18,423
Yes.

543
00:33:18,523 --> 00:33:19,623
And it goes the other way, too.

544
00:33:19,783 --> 00:33:20,003
Yep.

545
00:33:20,503 --> 00:33:22,923
With the boom, you know, and I'm like, I'm against all of it.

546
00:33:22,923 --> 00:33:23,063
Yeah.

547
00:33:23,063 --> 00:33:36,163
Because I've, and I think this is part of the way our institutions are structured to this point where we segregate you by age group and you're that way through your whole life.

548
00:33:36,523 --> 00:33:36,623
Yeah.

549
00:33:36,763 --> 00:33:44,123
You know, through college and then usually in your career track and you, you know, and people don't, you know, people are separated from their families.

550
00:33:44,123 --> 00:33:47,843
So even your grandparents, the relationships aren't as strong as they once were.

551
00:33:47,843 --> 00:33:53,443
and i think this is one of the biggest mistakes that is made in our in society today the value

552
00:33:53,443 --> 00:33:58,583
of intergenerational relationship relationships are so powerful like i'll give you one sad story

553
00:33:58,583 --> 00:34:05,883
so doug had um there was this men's group in aspen they would get together every week for lunch and

554
00:34:05,883 --> 00:34:12,663
these guys in aspen i mean these are like super successful guys oh but they're all old retired uh

555
00:34:12,663 --> 00:34:15,323
but they were like titans of their industry.

556
00:34:15,603 --> 00:34:15,883
You know what I mean?

557
00:34:15,903 --> 00:34:16,683
These guys were like,

558
00:34:16,963 --> 00:34:19,483
everybody was at their back end call

559
00:34:19,483 --> 00:34:20,123
because they like,

560
00:34:20,183 --> 00:34:22,223
these were guys with a lot of power.

561
00:34:22,423 --> 00:34:23,803
They still have a lot of money.

562
00:34:24,783 --> 00:34:27,103
And so I went to this,

563
00:34:28,243 --> 00:34:28,463
you know,

564
00:34:28,483 --> 00:34:31,283
and I called it the old man lunch with them

565
00:34:31,283 --> 00:34:33,063
because it was all old men.

566
00:34:33,423 --> 00:34:34,363
I mean, you know,

567
00:34:34,423 --> 00:34:35,463
much older than me.

568
00:34:35,543 --> 00:34:36,903
I was the youngest person there by far.

569
00:34:38,103 --> 00:34:38,483
And it was,

570
00:34:38,563 --> 00:34:38,983
I was like,

571
00:34:38,983 --> 00:34:42,423
and I was like,

572
00:34:42,663 --> 00:34:48,203
going there and because I was actually interested in these guys and their stories, and they had all

573
00:34:48,203 --> 00:34:52,083
had interesting stories and they all had to live extremely interesting lives and very successful

574
00:34:52,083 --> 00:34:57,663
lives. Um, I was like the, you know, a bar where there's, you know, there's all guys and one hot

575
00:34:57,663 --> 00:35:02,783
girl walks in. They all wanted just someone to listen to them. Their kids didn't even listen to

576
00:35:02,783 --> 00:35:06,063
them anymore. You know, they didn't want to hear their stories anymore. They wanted anything to do

577
00:35:06,063 --> 00:35:12,303
with them. And so these guys, and it was so sad actually to me, these, these mountains of wisdom

578
00:35:12,303 --> 00:35:15,603
We're basically separated from the youth.

579
00:35:16,223 --> 00:35:16,903
And what young people,

580
00:35:17,123 --> 00:35:19,183
so what I try and dispel primarily in that chapter

581
00:35:19,183 --> 00:35:20,563
is this intergenerational problem

582
00:35:20,563 --> 00:35:23,363
and let people know that like,

583
00:35:23,603 --> 00:35:28,403
it's the fastest way to succeed in life

584
00:35:28,403 --> 00:35:30,883
is actually through intergenerational relationships.

585
00:35:31,223 --> 00:35:35,523
Because not only, you're young, you have energy,

586
00:35:35,623 --> 00:35:36,743
you can be really intelligent,

587
00:35:37,403 --> 00:35:39,043
you can be really resourceful,

588
00:35:39,143 --> 00:35:41,603
but you don't even know where to point that energy.

589
00:35:41,603 --> 00:35:43,903
and they could be like,

590
00:35:43,983 --> 00:35:45,123
hey, you know, there's this thing,

591
00:35:45,403 --> 00:35:46,383
like this side project

592
00:35:46,383 --> 00:35:48,603
that I basically have thrown away

593
00:35:48,603 --> 00:35:50,603
because I just don't have time for it.

594
00:35:50,603 --> 00:35:52,763
But you might be interested in that.

595
00:35:53,363 --> 00:35:54,203
And you're like,

596
00:35:54,343 --> 00:35:56,723
and it could be a wild opportunity for you.

597
00:35:56,863 --> 00:35:57,003
Yeah.

598
00:35:57,163 --> 00:36:00,403
You know, or the introductions that they make.

599
00:36:00,563 --> 00:36:01,203
And I mean, there's,

600
00:36:01,683 --> 00:36:04,043
it's in the, and they want to.

601
00:36:04,343 --> 00:36:06,303
The older generation wants to help.

602
00:36:06,403 --> 00:36:08,823
Just like you might experience this yourself

603
00:36:08,823 --> 00:36:10,383
with younger generation now,

604
00:36:10,503 --> 00:36:11,223
where you're like,

605
00:36:11,223 --> 00:36:19,343
you see somebody who's like full of good faith and fire and energy and intelligent is going

606
00:36:19,343 --> 00:36:24,563
somewhere and you're like, how can I help? Yeah. How can I help? Yeah. You know, you want to,

607
00:36:24,643 --> 00:36:28,163
and people have been, people think that those people don't want them to win, but it's not true.

608
00:36:28,743 --> 00:36:32,463
Yeah. And this is something, I mean, again, it's, it's funny that we're, I wasn't anticipating

609
00:36:32,463 --> 00:36:36,543
talking about this, but that really is, I mean, I would attribute and would love to kind of hear

610
00:36:36,543 --> 00:36:40,763
what, where you would attribute that, that fault to you. Like what, what happened?

611
00:36:41,223 --> 00:36:43,983
What happened to where that started being, go ahead.

612
00:36:44,583 --> 00:36:44,983
School.

613
00:36:45,323 --> 00:36:45,663
School.

614
00:36:45,843 --> 00:36:47,523
School and work.

615
00:36:47,623 --> 00:36:48,823
I mean, it's mostly school though,

616
00:36:48,883 --> 00:36:51,283
because you are with your peers all the time.

617
00:36:51,463 --> 00:36:51,663
Yeah.

618
00:36:52,143 --> 00:36:55,683
And you meet a lot of young people today

619
00:36:55,683 --> 00:36:58,683
who are totally institutionalized through the school system.

620
00:36:59,743 --> 00:37:02,603
Like, you know, if their parents come over

621
00:37:02,603 --> 00:37:04,903
and the kids are with them

622
00:37:04,903 --> 00:37:07,743
and the kids don't even think

623
00:37:07,743 --> 00:37:09,083
that they're supposed to talk to the adults.

624
00:37:09,623 --> 00:37:11,203
They're like, oh, this is an adult thing.

625
00:37:11,223 --> 00:37:13,723
So I just sit there on my phone or whatever.

626
00:37:13,723 --> 00:37:16,543
You know, they don't even understand that,

627
00:37:16,543 --> 00:37:18,563
they think that the adults are for the adults.

628
00:37:18,563 --> 00:37:19,503
Yep.

629
00:37:19,503 --> 00:37:23,683
And it's because they've just been so isolated.

630
00:37:23,683 --> 00:37:24,723
Yep, yep.

631
00:37:24,723 --> 00:37:35,886
I think so much And of course there lots of other dynamics where you know this this idea that you uh you know in Latin America it very common for a young man uh to live with his

632
00:37:35,886 --> 00:37:42,126
parents until he gets married. Yep. About when he's 18 and out the door, it's like, why would

633
00:37:42,126 --> 00:37:47,646
you go and take on that extra expense and set up a whole nother household when, you know, you could

634
00:37:47,646 --> 00:37:52,446
be here, you know, and of course, you know, you have to balance and the, you know, the understanding

635
00:37:52,446 --> 00:37:55,206
that the, you know, it's no longer a kid.

636
00:37:55,286 --> 00:37:57,066
And so you have to constantly adjust

637
00:37:57,066 --> 00:37:59,226
your expectations of them in the household,

638
00:37:59,346 --> 00:38:01,146
you know, like giving them more freedom

639
00:38:01,146 --> 00:38:03,566
so that they can still be an adult living with you.

640
00:38:03,666 --> 00:38:06,546
But like that idea that 18 and out the door

641
00:38:06,546 --> 00:38:09,646
is this American idea, it's just insane.

642
00:38:09,886 --> 00:38:10,966
And that's what I grew up under.

643
00:38:11,306 --> 00:38:12,866
But I think it's just crazy.

644
00:38:13,686 --> 00:38:14,986
Yeah, no, it absolutely is crazy.

645
00:38:14,986 --> 00:38:16,546
And we've talked about this.

646
00:38:16,686 --> 00:38:19,586
One of the big reasons that's enabled it,

647
00:38:19,706 --> 00:38:22,086
I mean, we talk about the radical individualism

648
00:38:22,086 --> 00:38:23,926
that the United States is known for.

649
00:38:24,026 --> 00:38:26,306
And there's a healthy form of that to a degree.

650
00:38:26,846 --> 00:38:28,786
But I think another factor that contributes to it

651
00:38:28,786 --> 00:38:29,866
that doesn't get discussed a lot

652
00:38:29,866 --> 00:38:31,166
is the fact that the United States

653
00:38:31,166 --> 00:38:32,866
has held the reserve currency of the world

654
00:38:32,866 --> 00:38:35,886
for 75 years, whatever it is, however many years it is.

655
00:38:36,486 --> 00:38:39,166
And so this is something that it just gives you

656
00:38:39,166 --> 00:38:40,686
much more purchasing power

657
00:38:40,686 --> 00:38:44,726
and enables you to have the monetary freedom

658
00:38:44,726 --> 00:38:47,526
at a higher rate than many other places

659
00:38:47,526 --> 00:38:49,886
to be able to live out on your own

660
00:38:49,886 --> 00:38:55,406
and kind of not need your parents or not need to rely on extended family to the same degree

661
00:38:55,406 --> 00:39:01,906
as you would. Or again, the PSYOP that you're describing is more within the public school or,

662
00:39:01,906 --> 00:39:06,406
you know, if you're public schools or public universities, they're trying basically to

663
00:39:06,406 --> 00:39:12,406
just work to just independentize you from your families as much as possible just by,

664
00:39:13,066 --> 00:39:17,786
in a lot of harmful ways, I would say. And so like, this is one of these things where

665
00:39:17,786 --> 00:39:25,246
we're trained, yeah, exactly, to get rid of, to get out of, to get outside of our parents'

666
00:39:25,466 --> 00:39:28,666
constraints is kind of the way that it's looked at as soon as possible.

667
00:39:29,106 --> 00:39:35,866
It's considered a failure. The basic standard is that you should be financially independent

668
00:39:35,866 --> 00:39:42,746
from your parents, right? That that should be, and I agree, that's a great thing. There's

669
00:39:42,746 --> 00:39:47,526
nothing wrong with that. I mean, that's a healthy thing. But no other form of independence is

670
00:39:47,526 --> 00:39:53,126
considered by the way correct it's just that you can pay your rent yeah exactly you know so you get

671
00:39:53,126 --> 00:39:58,286
a job you start paying the government taxes they do yeah and you get your own rent yep you know

672
00:39:58,286 --> 00:40:04,786
it become a good consumer yep and it's it's a crazy ideal so i like i value uh independence in

673
00:40:04,786 --> 00:40:10,246
every other category higher with my children than financial independence yeah because that

674
00:40:10,246 --> 00:40:17,346
too that's that's a have it's a byproduct so the other forms of independence have a lot more to do

675
00:40:17,346 --> 00:40:24,546
with a being. Yeah. Yeah. And this really is, I mean, I just was so encouraged by that aspect of

676
00:40:24,546 --> 00:40:31,026
things, just focusing on being, because it is such a temptation, especially in where you have

677
00:40:31,026 --> 00:40:36,926
an atmosphere of heightened inflation and heightened currency devaluation, where you get

678
00:40:36,926 --> 00:40:42,426
on this hamster wheel, where you're just trying to make enough money to get by or trying to maintain

679
00:40:42,426 --> 00:40:47,226
your standard of life, monetarily speaking, or economically speaking. And so you get to this

680
00:40:47,226 --> 00:40:53,146
place where you don't like, because you're so busy trying to stay in that wheel that you lose out on,

681
00:40:53,326 --> 00:41:01,226
you lose the time to, or like you, you just fall into the choosing not to prioritize spending time

682
00:41:01,226 --> 00:41:05,126
with your neighbors or spending time with other people. Or, you know, it's, it's, it's one of

683
00:41:05,126 --> 00:41:08,526
these things where it is a choice, but then it's kind of not at the same time. It's, it's like this

684
00:41:08,526 --> 00:41:14,026
reinforcing, you know, hamster wheel that you get onto. Um, and I just think, again, just thinking

685
00:41:14,026 --> 00:41:18,566
about it and looking at the societal consequences over the course of decades, over the course of,

686
00:41:18,566 --> 00:41:25,666
you know, years, really the, the big winner, the big winner with all of these things is governments

687
00:41:25,666 --> 00:41:32,326
in government, you know, educational institutions and the big losers are the kids themselves,

688
00:41:32,326 --> 00:41:37,386
then their parents, like the family goes in there, they, they drop their kids off and then basically

689
00:41:37,386 --> 00:41:42,846
they get blown up because they give away all of this authority and authority to these governing

690
00:41:42,846 --> 00:41:48,926
structures and government educational institutions who don't have the same, um, they don't have the

691
00:41:48,926 --> 00:41:54,286
same, uh, incentive alignment for, for the good of the family. Like they have, they're trying to

692
00:41:54,286 --> 00:42:00,806
just exist. This institution is, and the kids are a means to that end. And so it is just the more

693
00:42:00,806 --> 00:42:06,006
that you think about it, you're like, why are we doing this again? The entire thing is screwed up.

694
00:42:06,006 --> 00:42:13,666
And this is why sending your kids to college today is much more than just a misallocation of time and capital.

695
00:42:13,866 --> 00:42:16,366
It's actually literally dangerous.

696
00:42:17,366 --> 00:42:26,846
I have a friend who told me, when I told him I was working on this book, he told me one of the scariest things I've ever heard.

697
00:42:26,946 --> 00:42:30,426
He said, I lost my daughters to the university.

698
00:42:30,746 --> 00:42:30,966
Yep.

699
00:42:31,466 --> 00:42:33,086
They will have nothing to do with him.

700
00:42:33,286 --> 00:42:33,506
Yep.

701
00:42:34,506 --> 00:42:34,686
Yep.

702
00:42:34,686 --> 00:42:37,466
And, you know, his son he still has.

703
00:42:37,526 --> 00:42:40,766
He says his son is still okay, but he lost his daughter.

704
00:42:40,886 --> 00:42:43,666
Sent him to the best colleges in the U.S.,

705
00:42:43,666 --> 00:42:45,566
and he lost his daughters to the university.

706
00:42:45,966 --> 00:42:46,146
Yep.

707
00:42:46,206 --> 00:42:47,846
I mean, how terrifying is that?

708
00:42:47,946 --> 00:42:48,866
I mean, that's unbelievable.

709
00:42:49,146 --> 00:42:49,686
It's horrifying.

710
00:42:49,846 --> 00:42:51,166
And then again, as we mentioned,

711
00:42:51,246 --> 00:42:53,666
we're talking a few days after Charlie Kirk was shot,

712
00:42:53,666 --> 00:42:56,486
and this, you know, kid, the guy who shot him,

713
00:42:56,646 --> 00:42:58,786
apparently, you know, grew up in, you know,

714
00:42:58,846 --> 00:43:00,726
a decent home at least, it seems like,

715
00:43:00,786 --> 00:43:02,286
based on a little bit of information.

716
00:43:03,046 --> 00:43:04,606
Mom and dad in the picture.

717
00:43:04,686 --> 00:43:09,726
and then goes off to university, is even only there for a year or something like that, but then

718
00:43:09,726 --> 00:43:15,506
meets people and apparently gets radicalized to do all these different things. And so just who

719
00:43:15,506 --> 00:43:22,486
you give your kids with and who you entrust your kids with to shape the way that they view the world

720
00:43:22,486 --> 00:43:27,806
and to shape then how they see themselves, this identity question. This is who you are.

721
00:43:27,806 --> 00:43:33,286
The being question is such a humongous thing. It's so, so big and so important.

722
00:43:33,286 --> 00:43:36,146
and the downstream consequences last for so long.

723
00:43:36,226 --> 00:43:38,086
Like that's the horrifying thing about it.

724
00:43:38,626 --> 00:43:38,926
Right.

725
00:43:39,046 --> 00:43:40,646
And the thing is, it's such an,

726
00:43:41,006 --> 00:43:44,426
it's a question we all want to answer for ourselves.

727
00:43:44,606 --> 00:43:45,766
Who are we exactly?

728
00:43:45,766 --> 00:43:49,586
And what makes us different from other people around us?

729
00:43:49,726 --> 00:43:53,106
What is something substantive, something meaningful?

730
00:43:53,426 --> 00:43:55,486
A young man wants something of meaning.

731
00:43:56,346 --> 00:43:58,386
And, you know, they want to be somebody.

732
00:43:58,386 --> 00:44:05,926
And so they recognize they need to do something meaningful in order to become something meaningful, you know?

733
00:44:06,406 --> 00:44:11,946
And so, but without this rootedness around being first, you get into a lot of trouble.

734
00:44:12,106 --> 00:44:17,466
And so the way we try and handle this in the book, it seems trivial at first when I describe it.

735
00:44:17,646 --> 00:44:19,626
But it's, let me explain.

736
00:44:19,786 --> 00:44:22,886
It's three, but we have them do, we have them draft their own personal code.

737
00:44:23,326 --> 00:44:24,486
Their own personal code.

738
00:44:24,706 --> 00:44:26,846
And there's three parts to it.

739
00:44:26,846 --> 00:44:31,466
The first part is essentially a set of rules that they set for themselves.

740
00:44:31,466 --> 00:44:34,086
Now, in general, I do not like rules.

741
00:44:34,386 --> 00:44:36,046
I don't like rules.

742
00:44:36,406 --> 00:44:44,486
However, the rules that I set for myself, I found to be incredibly powerful for myself.

743
00:44:44,846 --> 00:44:55,546
And essentially, so we asked them to do some introspection about looking at themselves and look for the things that when you do them, you feel small.

744
00:44:55,546 --> 00:45:03,606
like for instance if you you know if uh if you ask me to have dinner on friday and i and i wasn't

745
00:45:03,606 --> 00:45:09,386
up to it i just didn't feel like it i could i could say the little white lie i'm busy yeah

746
00:45:09,386 --> 00:45:15,046
right i like it's no great deception it's a little white lie but for me personally

747
00:45:15,046 --> 00:45:21,226
it makes me feel really crappy when i do that yeah you know it does and so so so it's one of

748
00:45:21,226 --> 00:45:26,406
my things like i'm just gonna tell the truth i'm and i'll say i'm not up to it this friday

749
00:45:26,406 --> 00:45:31,526
you know it's been a long week and so how about another time it's not and it's not harder to tell

750
00:45:31,526 --> 00:45:37,026
the truth but we are but but by by we we go otherwise we're going with the flow if we don't

751
00:45:37,026 --> 00:45:43,106
create these rules for ourselves we end up just mimicking the crowd or going the path of least

752
00:45:43,106 --> 00:45:47,386
resistance and so for a young person when they do this though when they if they if they pay attention

753
00:45:47,386 --> 00:45:51,186
to things that they do that when they do it makes them feel small or makes them feel a little bit

754
00:45:51,186 --> 00:45:56,646
shame and it will be things mostly that only they are aware of the rest of the world might not even

755
00:45:56,646 --> 00:46:01,746
know that these things have that effect on them but if they simply say i'm they write them down

756
00:46:01,746 --> 00:46:07,006
i'm not going to do these things anymore and again it may sound trivial but what this is this is the

757
00:46:07,006 --> 00:46:13,006
formation of the self yep this is the formation of the being this is them deciding what they are

758
00:46:13,006 --> 00:46:19,066
as opposed to going with the flow this is the beginning of masculinity which real masculinity

759
00:46:19,066 --> 00:46:22,126
is not all the manosphere nonsense.

760
00:46:22,446 --> 00:46:25,886
You know, it's the ability to say no.

761
00:46:26,386 --> 00:46:26,586
Yeah.

762
00:46:27,246 --> 00:46:28,266
No, I'm not going to do it.

763
00:46:28,666 --> 00:46:28,866
Yep.

764
00:46:29,066 --> 00:46:29,726
I'm not going to do it.

765
00:46:29,906 --> 00:46:30,326
That's it.

766
00:46:30,486 --> 00:46:31,726
I'm just draw a line in the sand.

767
00:46:32,066 --> 00:46:33,586
Like that meant that,

768
00:46:33,926 --> 00:46:35,766
and think about how different the world would be

769
00:46:35,766 --> 00:46:37,486
if men did that today.

770
00:46:37,706 --> 00:46:38,666
So are you familiar?

771
00:46:38,906 --> 00:46:41,446
I guess I want to kind of unpack that a little bit.

772
00:46:41,526 --> 00:46:43,106
So when you think about,

773
00:46:43,486 --> 00:46:45,386
obviously there's going to be rules,

774
00:46:45,466 --> 00:46:46,146
you're going to find these things.

775
00:46:46,146 --> 00:46:47,646
Is this something where,

776
00:46:47,646 --> 00:46:52,646
like you think that these rules are something that you kind of like that each individual person

777
00:46:52,646 --> 00:46:58,886
creates for themselves kind of like out of thin air or is it something that they kind of discover

778
00:46:58,886 --> 00:47:05,706
as being desirable so is it is it something that's like i created from a person or is it something

779
00:47:05,706 --> 00:47:09,786
that they go out into the world and find and then align themselves to because they see it out in the

780
00:47:09,786 --> 00:47:14,726
world no and i think the risk is seeing when they see things out in the world it does not make them

781
00:47:14,726 --> 00:47:18,886
I do think there's a, obviously having good role models is very important.

782
00:47:19,166 --> 00:47:21,226
Young men have really crappy role models.

783
00:47:21,826 --> 00:47:22,886
But that's something different.

784
00:47:23,146 --> 00:47:23,926
That's something different.

785
00:47:24,046 --> 00:47:26,626
I'd say that relates much more to the second part of this.

786
00:47:26,966 --> 00:47:28,446
This is an internal thing.

787
00:47:28,926 --> 00:47:32,286
It's recognizing when you do something, it makes you feel small.

788
00:47:32,826 --> 00:47:34,466
And just saying, I'm not going to do that anymore.

789
00:47:34,926 --> 00:47:35,706
I'm not going to do that.

790
00:47:36,346 --> 00:47:43,086
And, you know, and everyone has them, you know, and they could be things that, you know, really make them feel ashamed when they do it.

791
00:47:43,086 --> 00:47:46,966
And, you know, or it could just be a little thing that just makes them feel small.

792
00:47:47,586 --> 00:47:56,046
And I do think, you know, when you talk to your kids about these things and that you raise them well, like they might be more readily recognizing in themselves these things.

793
00:47:56,226 --> 00:47:56,386
Sure.

794
00:47:56,466 --> 00:48:02,886
But anyone who pays attention to themselves for even just a couple of days, just while I monitor, they'll see it.

795
00:48:02,886 --> 00:48:10,766
So, and I think these have to come internally because they are rules they must set for themselves.

796
00:48:10,866 --> 00:48:12,646
Because, again, this is the defining of the self.

797
00:48:12,646 --> 00:48:18,326
This is the place where they, you know, they're, for a lot of people, they will think like the little white lie is no big deal.

798
00:48:18,586 --> 00:48:20,406
There was zero harm caused.

799
00:48:20,526 --> 00:48:20,826
Yeah.

800
00:48:21,286 --> 00:48:22,466
You know, and it's no big deal.

801
00:48:22,646 --> 00:48:23,746
For me, for me, it hurts.

802
00:48:23,846 --> 00:48:24,766
So I don't do it.

803
00:48:24,846 --> 00:48:27,046
But I wouldn't expect that of anyone else necessarily.

804
00:48:27,246 --> 00:48:27,746
I understand.

805
00:48:28,146 --> 00:48:28,266
Yeah.

806
00:48:29,826 --> 00:48:31,046
Deception, I don't understand.

807
00:48:31,366 --> 00:48:33,346
Like real deception, you know, that's bad.

808
00:48:33,966 --> 00:48:36,426
But, but anyway, so that's step one.

809
00:48:36,426 --> 00:48:50,386
Now, step two is we share with them a set of virtues, ancient virtues, the virtues that basically were rediscovered in a period of time we call the Renaissance era, these ancient Greek and Roman virtues.

810
00:48:51,286 --> 00:48:57,626
And, you know, they have to do with things like courage, things like dignity, you know.

811
00:48:58,966 --> 00:49:00,126
There's a whole bunch of them.

812
00:49:00,146 --> 00:49:01,546
We list about 15 of them in there.

813
00:49:01,546 --> 00:49:05,786
And we ask them just read through those and if there are any of those that call to you.

814
00:49:05,786 --> 00:49:20,966
Sure. Just note them. Just whichever one stand out to you is like, that sounds cool. Like, I like that. I like, you know, I'd like to be courageous, you know, and I'd like to be disciplined and I like to, whichever one's, they'll appeal differently to different people.

815
00:49:21,166 --> 00:49:21,326
Yeah.

816
00:49:21,846 --> 00:49:33,286
But just pick the ones that appeal to you and write those down. And these are things unlike the rules. Rules are binary. You succeed or you fail, you know. But virtues are like a lifelong aspiration.

817
00:49:33,286 --> 00:49:33,946
Like muscles.

818
00:49:34,466 --> 00:49:34,986
Yes.

819
00:49:34,986 --> 00:49:37,026
Like muscles that you can strengthen over time.

820
00:49:37,126 --> 00:49:37,246
Yeah.

821
00:49:37,566 --> 00:49:38,986
I can always be more courageous.

822
00:49:39,286 --> 00:49:39,446
Yeah.

823
00:49:39,906 --> 00:49:45,246
You know, I could always, I could always, I could always conduct myself with more dignity.

824
00:49:45,726 --> 00:49:45,846
Yeah.

825
00:49:45,846 --> 00:49:50,086
You know, I, I could be a better, I could always be more hospitable, you know what I mean?

826
00:49:50,086 --> 00:49:53,486
Like this, so there's things to aspire to.

827
00:49:53,486 --> 00:50:03,746
And so now this person has, they're starting to, they're beginning to form this idea of the man they want to become.

828
00:50:04,026 --> 00:50:05,026
The man they want to become.

829
00:50:05,566 --> 00:50:19,086
And it's something that's good role models help, but they need something higher, like something beyond that even, you know, to make them like climb the ladder toward it, you know, just like to be drawn toward it.

830
00:50:19,466 --> 00:50:21,386
And so the third part finally is accomplishments.

831
00:50:21,746 --> 00:50:23,326
You know, do what you do.

832
00:50:23,486 --> 00:50:28,866
And this book is 80% what exactly to do.

833
00:50:29,246 --> 00:50:35,066
So, you know, we've been talking about a lot of different things this whole time, but almost the entire book is devoted to doing.

834
00:50:35,846 --> 00:50:44,146
And so, and for young people, if you're thinking about your typical American, for instance, they'll be looking at the world and saying, okay, my choice is I'm 18 years old.

835
00:50:44,146 --> 00:50:45,406
I can join the military.

836
00:50:45,726 --> 00:50:47,786
I can go to trade school or I can go to college,

837
00:50:47,786 --> 00:50:49,746
or I guess I can get a dead end job

838
00:50:49,746 --> 00:50:51,846
and maybe work my way up to, you know,

839
00:50:51,906 --> 00:50:54,326
shift manager at McDonald's, you know,

840
00:50:54,706 --> 00:50:55,946
nothing wrong with those things.

841
00:50:56,486 --> 00:50:57,906
But these are the choices.

842
00:50:58,126 --> 00:50:59,386
It's all, they don't know the world.

843
00:50:59,466 --> 00:51:00,946
They don't even have no idea what's possible.

844
00:51:01,386 --> 00:51:04,346
And so what we attempt to do is lay out a very specific,

845
00:51:04,726 --> 00:51:06,566
here's a totally different idea,

846
00:51:07,126 --> 00:51:09,926
exactly what to do over the same period

847
00:51:09,926 --> 00:51:11,646
that it would take you to get a college education.

848
00:51:11,646 --> 00:51:17,646
And along the way, you're going to have, you're going to experience a hero's journey, a true rite of passage.

849
00:51:17,946 --> 00:51:18,146
Yep.

850
00:51:18,406 --> 00:51:23,646
And you're going to get a better education academically than you would in college.

851
00:51:23,966 --> 00:51:24,146
Yeah.

852
00:51:24,306 --> 00:51:29,686
Because by the way, most of these things, MIT offers all their classes for free online.

853
00:51:29,866 --> 00:51:29,966
Yeah.

854
00:51:30,566 --> 00:51:33,046
I mean, there's a whole bunch of them that do.

855
00:51:33,146 --> 00:51:35,906
Yale has a whole bunch of them online that you can take for free.

856
00:51:36,266 --> 00:51:37,746
So these things are all available.

857
00:51:37,866 --> 00:51:39,986
And we tell them exactly which classes to take.

858
00:51:40,166 --> 00:51:40,366
Sure.

859
00:51:40,366 --> 00:51:42,026
And we tell them which books to read.

860
00:51:42,186 --> 00:51:45,506
And then there's, just like in college, you know, you have your core and you have electives.

861
00:51:45,866 --> 00:51:46,826
Take these for sure.

862
00:51:46,946 --> 00:51:51,166
And here's a whole bunch of others, like, that pursue your curiosity along the way.

863
00:51:51,766 --> 00:51:53,846
So, yeah, the book's mostly about doing.

864
00:51:53,986 --> 00:51:57,186
Because for a young man, that's where their power comes from.

865
00:51:57,946 --> 00:52:10,006
And they develop this set of accomplishments that my son, after two years, you know, he went from this child who was anxious and uncertain.

866
00:52:10,366 --> 00:52:19,686
uh no very little self-esteem probably yeah uh to uh in all ways but one i would say a man

867
00:52:19,686 --> 00:52:23,326
yeah i mean he doesn't have children yet yep that's like the final step i think

868
00:52:23,326 --> 00:52:29,306
but in other every other way he's a man now and his list of accomplishments are shocking

869
00:52:29,306 --> 00:52:35,146
i mean you've done what you sailed through the strait of magellan and i never you know uh you

870
00:52:35,146 --> 00:52:40,286
know you're a pilot you've uh you know you know how to fight um you know you know how to save a

871
00:52:40,286 --> 00:52:46,506
life uh it's he's done some really wild stuff over just the two years so far he still has two

872
00:52:46,506 --> 00:52:52,566
years left yep yeah and maybe i didn't explain this my son has been our beta tester for the book

873
00:52:52,566 --> 00:53:00,746
so we he's uh this wouldn't be possible without him simply because we had to problem solve along

874
00:53:00,746 --> 00:53:06,566
the way from both managing uh there were two main problems had to do with practicalities like how

875
00:53:06,566 --> 00:53:09,286
well, how and what and when and how to structure things.

876
00:53:09,566 --> 00:53:13,726
And then the other part was the psychology of it because you're swimming against the tide.

877
00:53:13,726 --> 00:53:15,926
You're doing something no one else is doing.

878
00:53:16,146 --> 00:53:20,506
And to most people, they'll be like, what are you, what is going on?

879
00:53:20,546 --> 00:53:20,686
Yep.

880
00:53:21,086 --> 00:53:21,806
You know?

881
00:53:22,086 --> 00:53:22,266
Yeah.

882
00:53:22,366 --> 00:53:30,906
No, and I just love the, I mean, just the element of just like looking at the world

883
00:53:30,906 --> 00:53:34,086
and just not being afraid.

884
00:53:34,086 --> 00:53:38,966
One of the most repeated commands, and I'll throw out the Bible, is do not be afraid.

885
00:53:39,106 --> 00:53:44,686
It's the thing that is most repeated because there are so many bad things that happen when you act out of fear.

886
00:53:45,526 --> 00:53:50,466
Either for yourself, you make dumb decisions, you do things you shouldn't do, you don't do things that you should do.

887
00:53:50,926 --> 00:53:51,886
It's one of these things.

888
00:53:54,226 --> 00:53:57,686
Basically, there's a number of places where people are commended for not being afraid.

889
00:53:58,486 --> 00:54:01,266
There's one, I believe it's Proverbs 31.

890
00:54:01,426 --> 00:54:03,266
It talks about a woman who basically isn't afraid.

891
00:54:03,266 --> 00:54:20,186
And so it says that she laughs at the future. And so when I was, you know, I've listened to some of these, you know, listen to some of the interviews and been reading the book, that, that phrase just keeps coming to mind. Like you, the goal is to, is to create a man, to mold and create a man who laughs at the future.

892
00:54:20,186 --> 00:54:34,406
And so who's somebody who's not afraid of, oh, we have a government uprising. Okay. I need to work with my hands. Okay. I need to fly a plane or a helicopter. Okay.

893
00:54:34,406 --> 00:54:44,066
Like just somebody who has, who's developed optionality through their skills and just with their mind in terms of how they see themselves, they see the world.

894
00:54:44,526 --> 00:54:59,186
I think that that's, it's just something that generally, I mean, again, I guess it's not required that it comes, but I think for a lot of men, we kind of, you kind of reach as you get older, you get into your, you know, late thirties, forties, you kind of get like a sense of confidence.

895
00:54:59,186 --> 00:55:05,486
And some of it comes through the ability, like having some savings or having skills through your career.

896
00:55:06,266 --> 00:55:26,006
I think for a lot of people, and again, it would be interesting to talk about the relationship of fathers and sons or the lack of relationship that we just described and how that's kind of delayed some of this happening to the degree and to the extent and to the degree at the same pace as maybe it's happened at different points in human history.

897
00:55:26,006 --> 00:55:32,606
um and so yeah but all that to be said i i just this is a converse set of conversations

898
00:55:32,606 --> 00:55:39,006
that i'm just so grateful that you guys are helping to exist um again there's i'm sure there's

899
00:55:39,006 --> 00:55:43,686
there's going to be lots of people who especially in this in that initial part the the being you're

900
00:55:43,686 --> 00:55:49,406
going to have the full gamut of of different opinions about hey should we do is socrates

901
00:55:49,406 --> 00:55:53,426
really the guy what about you know what about aristotle you know like what do i know it's like

902
00:55:53,426 --> 00:55:57,626
you're going to go back and forth. But by and large, I think the thing that people can take

903
00:55:57,626 --> 00:56:02,766
away, it's not that it doesn't matter because again, we should want to know and interact with

904
00:56:02,766 --> 00:56:08,126
and be sharpened by the ideas of the past that have stuck around until today. But I think at the

905
00:56:08,126 --> 00:56:20,988
end of the day anybody can basically identify hey this is who I am and this is how I know And this is the confidence that I have to rely on that going forward And then with that confidence can take the doing

906
00:56:20,988 --> 00:56:26,388
aspect of this and the different skills and can benefit from that, even if there's disagreements

907
00:56:26,388 --> 00:56:32,549
on that first part. So let's get into that. I would love to hear, kind of hear, so I just want

908
00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:38,908
to, for the sake of the audience, you've got, basically you kind of break this into 16 cycles.

909
00:56:38,908 --> 00:56:47,608
You take basically this whole program can take place that is designed to take place over a course of four years through 16 cycles, four cycles per year.

910
00:56:47,888 --> 00:56:49,249
Kind of unpack some of that for us.

911
00:56:49,269 --> 00:56:50,269
What does this look like?

912
00:56:51,008 --> 00:56:51,148
Yeah.

913
00:56:51,408 --> 00:56:54,108
So fundamentally, we're competing with college.

914
00:56:54,388 --> 00:56:55,408
It was the idea.

915
00:56:55,408 --> 00:57:11,148
Although I have to say, I have heard from many people of all ages, a lot of people that have finished college recently and realized it didn't go as they expected and go, you know, I'm going to do this.

916
00:57:11,988 --> 00:57:18,169
Or literally three people in their 70s have reached out to me and said, I'm doing this.

917
00:57:18,368 --> 00:57:19,128
Retired people.

918
00:57:19,388 --> 00:57:20,189
Like, I'm going to do that.

919
00:57:20,368 --> 00:57:22,529
Maybe I have a whole thing, but I'm going to do some of this.

920
00:57:22,828 --> 00:57:23,608
I'm going to do some of this stuff.

921
00:57:23,608 --> 00:57:28,049
my first instinct when i read this was like i want to go do this with my son

922
00:57:28,049 --> 00:57:34,648
yeah this sounds so awesome a lot of it yeah and you know that and that's one of the tough things

923
00:57:34,648 --> 00:57:39,029
a good friend of mine said the same thing and i'm like you got to be careful about that this is

924
00:57:39,029 --> 00:57:43,968
their hero's journey you can't be there they need it some of this they have to walk alone but there

925
00:57:43,968 --> 00:57:48,508
are some parts of it that maybe maybe possibly like the shelter institute you know you know uh

926
00:57:48,508 --> 00:57:52,988
learn design and build a home but i but you got to be careful with that but i do think um

927
00:57:52,988 --> 00:57:59,729
yeah these these are all things that i saw that i go i would want to do as a 50 year old man too

928
00:57:59,729 --> 00:58:04,908
you know these are skills that i wish that i had i've got some of them but i definitely don't have

929
00:58:04,908 --> 00:58:11,229
all of them and they're all things that are uh that are economic well the vast okay so let me

930
00:58:11,229 --> 00:58:18,488
get to the structure yeah there's a cycles 16 of them uh they the the key part of every cycle is

931
00:58:18,488 --> 00:58:19,809
what we call the anchor course.

932
00:58:20,229 --> 00:58:23,669
Now, the anchor course could be a couple of weeks long.

933
00:58:23,749 --> 00:58:25,209
It could be a couple of months long

934
00:58:25,209 --> 00:58:26,229
of that three-month period.

935
00:58:26,749 --> 00:58:28,309
It's the main event,

936
00:58:28,408 --> 00:58:30,289
the main thing that you're doing during that period,

937
00:58:30,408 --> 00:58:32,729
like getting your pilot's license, for instance,

938
00:58:32,848 --> 00:58:33,368
might be one,

939
00:58:33,368 --> 00:58:36,209
or getting your EMT certification is another.

940
00:58:37,588 --> 00:58:39,709
The sailing thing that Max did

941
00:58:39,709 --> 00:58:41,388
around the Falkland Islands

942
00:58:41,388 --> 00:58:42,769
and then through the Strait of Magellan,

943
00:58:42,948 --> 00:58:45,488
that was three weeks long of the three months.

944
00:58:45,488 --> 00:58:52,068
so you you basically pack that in first that first thing that's the main event and then you build up

945
00:58:52,068 --> 00:58:57,729
everything else you're doing around that you know all the other layers of a cycle and the other

946
00:58:57,729 --> 00:59:03,289
layers of the cycle are the academic portion you know which is online based we tell you which

947
00:59:03,289 --> 00:59:08,289
classes when you know and give you and show you some electives too there's some specific reading

948
00:59:08,289 --> 00:59:14,809
assignments and also and like my son read more than 50 books last year yeah you know so um

949
00:59:14,809 --> 00:59:20,088
um that's that's a lot i mean i didn't read 50 books until a year until i was like 35 i think

950
00:59:20,088 --> 00:59:25,309
you know when i it took me that long to get to that reading level but um but it was driven

951
00:59:25,309 --> 00:59:30,169
by a lot of it by his own curiosity you know because a lot of the there's a lot of room in

952
00:59:30,169 --> 00:59:34,408
there to fit in other stuff so he's studied other things just interested in and read several books

953
00:59:34,408 --> 00:59:40,088
multiple times because he's they've meant different things to him as he's going through all this so

954
00:59:40,088 --> 00:59:41,529
So reading is a big part of it.

955
00:59:41,529 --> 00:59:52,669
And then there's, we have, we have a whole list of activities, things that could be potentially an anchor course in and of themselves.

956
00:59:53,968 --> 00:59:58,568
But that we encourage people to devote a portion of their time to.

957
00:59:58,628 --> 01:00:01,729
And this is all broken down in the exact number of hours per week and all this stuff.

958
01:00:01,868 --> 01:00:02,928
And I can explain that in a second.

959
01:00:03,348 --> 01:00:07,189
But we encourage them to do, to get exposure to these different activities.

960
01:00:07,189 --> 01:00:18,928
And these activities range from learning a musical instrument to foreign language to playing chess to skydiving and scuba and all kinds of different things.

961
01:00:19,529 --> 01:00:19,608
Okay.

962
01:00:20,008 --> 01:00:24,368
But to set aside that separate time to do these things as part of it.

963
01:00:24,968 --> 01:00:27,329
Because, again, this makes an interesting man.

964
01:00:27,689 --> 01:00:34,769
One of the things that Tom Woods said is like this, the person who does this will be the most interesting man you know.

965
01:00:35,549 --> 01:00:37,169
You know, they will have done it.

966
01:00:37,189 --> 01:00:44,868
And Max is totally head and shoulders above his peers in that, no doubt about it, and in many other ways.

967
01:00:45,868 --> 01:00:46,769
Let me read this.

968
01:00:46,809 --> 01:00:49,568
I just want to read this one, just kind of to illustrate this point.

969
01:00:49,628 --> 01:00:50,508
This is on page 17.

970
01:00:51,108 --> 01:00:56,169
It says, you're referencing Robert Persig's book, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.

971
01:00:56,648 --> 01:01:02,689
And it says, in one vignette, we find a poor, uneducated, greasy-haired, but curious motorcycle mechanic

972
01:01:02,689 --> 01:01:06,888
who realizes that if he's going to torque a bolt properly,

973
01:01:07,128 --> 01:01:08,948
he should learn a bit about metallurgy

974
01:01:08,948 --> 01:01:10,488
and how aluminum relates to steel.

975
01:01:10,868 --> 01:01:12,169
That leads him to chemistry.

976
01:01:12,729 --> 01:01:14,309
An interest in that leads him to physics,

977
01:01:14,689 --> 01:01:16,809
which will lead him to astronomy and astrophysics,

978
01:01:17,189 --> 01:01:18,829
which leads him to philosophy,

979
01:01:19,128 --> 01:01:20,088
which takes him to ethics,

980
01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:21,628
which leads to ancient history,

981
01:01:22,008 --> 01:01:23,529
the modern history and English literature.

982
01:01:24,088 --> 01:01:26,108
And so I just absolutely love that.

983
01:01:26,169 --> 01:01:27,749
As somebody who's a philosophy major in college,

984
01:01:27,888 --> 01:01:29,789
I'm just like, this is what happens to me.

985
01:01:29,868 --> 01:01:31,388
I just, I'm like, oh man, this is super cool.

986
01:01:31,388 --> 01:01:37,088
And then you find yourself going down this rabbit hole of all these different interests that you never would have imagined you get into.

987
01:01:37,249 --> 01:01:39,368
And so I just absolutely love that.

988
01:01:39,848 --> 01:01:41,588
This is how we actually learn.

989
01:01:41,789 --> 01:01:41,948
Yeah.

990
01:01:42,289 --> 01:01:44,049
This is how learning actually occurs.

991
01:01:44,529 --> 01:01:48,948
Learning does not occur through the structured process that is offered in the classroom.

992
01:01:49,229 --> 01:01:50,269
We learn the game.

993
01:01:50,488 --> 01:01:53,189
The game is there are certain facts that have to be memorized.

994
01:01:53,829 --> 01:01:58,348
We don't really understand how we put them all together or how they relate to one another.

995
01:01:58,348 --> 01:02:04,769
but we memorize them and then we pass the test and then we move on to a new set of facts and over

996
01:02:04,769 --> 01:02:09,888
time hopefully you begin to piece things together and understand how they connect but like for me i

997
01:02:09,888 --> 01:02:21,068
could say at 30 years old uh my my understanding of history was so poor i couldn't like i these

998
01:02:21,068 --> 01:02:25,068
events i might know yeah this thing happened uh but i couldn't tell you what century it occurred

999
01:02:25,068 --> 01:02:29,229
I mean, I didn't have the connected tissue, the latticework to tie it together.

1000
01:02:29,709 --> 01:02:38,848
And so what we attempt to do with this is for every cycle, we try as much as possible to make it so that the academic stuff that one is doing relates.

1001
01:02:39,148 --> 01:02:48,289
So you're learning these abstract concepts you learned in college, but they relate to the thing, the anchor course, the thing you're actually doing in the real world at the same time.

1002
01:02:48,289 --> 01:02:55,508
Because when it connects, you know, these abstract principles make way more sense when you see them in practice.

1003
01:02:55,988 --> 01:03:03,368
Yeah. Okay. So I want to kind of just start, if you don't mind unpacking some of the different cycles.

1004
01:03:03,908 --> 01:03:16,488
So like what, and you guys mentioned that these don't have to be done in any certain order, but there might be an order that might make more sense in order to, because the goal is that this thing is self-funded as one of the goals.

1005
01:03:16,488 --> 01:03:25,068
So you basically said, you know, on average, now, again, we're going to have to adjust for inflation as this book is out for as it exists for more years.

1006
01:03:25,608 --> 01:03:26,169
More than a month.

1007
01:03:26,588 --> 01:03:27,388
Yeah, exactly.

1008
01:03:27,928 --> 01:03:33,868
So you mentioned right now, rough estimate college, at least 160 grand for a good college.

1009
01:03:33,928 --> 01:03:34,968
You're looking at 40 grand a year.

1010
01:03:35,408 --> 01:03:42,948
Your goal is basically for students to be able to walk away completing this whole four year program for about the cost of one year of school.

1011
01:03:43,729 --> 01:03:44,008
Yeah.

1012
01:03:44,269 --> 01:03:44,488
Yeah.

1013
01:03:44,488 --> 01:03:45,689
At a prestigious college.

1014
01:03:45,689 --> 01:03:49,508
So I'd say if you took, now, because there are two cycles in here that are expensive.

1015
01:03:49,789 --> 01:03:49,908
Yeah.

1016
01:03:49,908 --> 01:03:50,709
The private pilot one.

1017
01:03:50,928 --> 01:03:51,169
Private pilot.

1018
01:03:51,908 --> 01:03:55,809
No, I did find a, I did find a, I'd actually recently found an alternative to this where

1019
01:03:55,809 --> 01:04:01,549
you're doing a, where you can do it a lot cheaper because it's not, it's a different

1020
01:04:01,549 --> 01:04:04,648
aircraft rating, but you get all the same benefit from it.

1021
01:04:04,669 --> 01:04:05,568
You can do it in less time.

1022
01:04:05,669 --> 01:04:06,008
Cool.

1023
01:04:06,049 --> 01:04:09,588
Which, so we'll, in a future update, we'll add that one and it'll save a lot of money,

1024
01:04:09,628 --> 01:04:10,669
but that's an expensive one.

1025
01:04:10,908 --> 01:04:11,209
I mean.

1026
01:04:11,529 --> 01:04:12,709
So what does that cost?

1027
01:04:12,769 --> 01:04:14,108
What does the private pilot's license cost?

1028
01:04:14,108 --> 01:04:19,088
It depends on how many hours it actually takes you, but let's say $20,000 to $25,000.

1029
01:04:19,608 --> 01:04:19,868
Okay.

1030
01:04:20,229 --> 01:04:20,428
Okay.

1031
01:04:20,549 --> 01:04:21,769
So, it's an expensive one.

1032
01:04:22,008 --> 01:04:22,128
Yeah.

1033
01:04:22,148 --> 01:04:24,729
But you don't have to do, this is like you don't have to do.

1034
01:04:25,008 --> 01:04:25,229
Sure.

1035
01:04:25,508 --> 01:04:30,669
We also teach people how to make their own cycle, so you can build it on your own.

1036
01:04:30,888 --> 01:04:34,689
But the 16 we have, that's an expensive one, and then there's another expensive one called

1037
01:04:34,689 --> 01:04:39,549
Heavy Now, where basically you learn to operate all this crazy heavy machinery.

1038
01:04:39,689 --> 01:04:40,108
That's right.

1039
01:04:40,269 --> 01:04:40,428
Okay.

1040
01:04:40,428 --> 01:04:40,568
Okay.

1041
01:04:41,209 --> 01:04:45,148
Now, it's, you know, I think that's like 12 grand.

1042
01:04:45,408 --> 01:04:45,628
Okay.

1043
01:04:45,709 --> 01:04:47,008
So that's also an expensive one.

1044
01:04:47,789 --> 01:04:50,209
But you become certified to use this equipment.

1045
01:04:50,368 --> 01:04:53,229
I mean, it's an economically valuable thing.

1046
01:04:53,368 --> 01:04:54,749
And you can work from it.

1047
01:04:55,408 --> 01:04:57,948
So it does provide a lot of value.

1048
01:04:57,948 --> 01:04:58,628
And it's cool.

1049
01:04:59,568 --> 01:05:00,448
It's really cool.

1050
01:05:00,608 --> 01:05:03,988
I believe a man should be able to operate basically any vehicle or machine you get into.

1051
01:05:04,169 --> 01:05:06,008
You know, I mean, I think you ought to be able to.

1052
01:05:07,529 --> 01:05:09,789
At least it should be something you aspire to.

1053
01:05:09,908 --> 01:05:10,029
Yeah.

1054
01:05:10,029 --> 01:05:10,769
you know, to do that.

1055
01:05:11,669 --> 01:05:14,888
And so the first one is actually,

1056
01:05:15,108 --> 01:05:17,269
probably the easiest one for people to start with

1057
01:05:17,269 --> 01:05:19,448
is the one my son started with, which was EMT.

1058
01:05:20,269 --> 01:05:22,588
And I say that because it's not expensive.

1059
01:05:23,008 --> 01:05:25,908
It's, you know, maybe $1,200 to $2,000.

1060
01:05:26,388 --> 01:05:28,048
It can be done in as little as,

1061
01:05:28,648 --> 01:05:32,709
I mean, he did it and it actually took him,

1062
01:05:32,928 --> 01:05:33,529
this was the first,

1063
01:05:33,669 --> 01:05:34,829
we didn't have the cycle structure yet.

1064
01:05:34,829 --> 01:05:36,068
It took him four months to do it.

1065
01:05:36,148 --> 01:05:36,368
Okay.

1066
01:05:36,368 --> 01:05:39,148
Because he did this one where he did half a day,

1067
01:05:39,148 --> 01:05:40,108
twice a week.

1068
01:05:40,428 --> 01:05:40,648
Okay.

1069
01:05:40,729 --> 01:05:41,349
But you could do it

1070
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:41,568
more,

1071
01:05:41,628 --> 01:05:42,329
they had ones that were

1072
01:05:42,329 --> 01:05:43,608
more frequent than that.

1073
01:05:43,709 --> 01:05:43,849
Okay.

1074
01:05:43,849 --> 01:05:44,368
It was just half a day

1075
01:05:44,368 --> 01:05:44,928
twice a week.

1076
01:05:45,769 --> 01:05:47,088
And during the rest

1077
01:05:47,088 --> 01:05:47,529
of the time,

1078
01:05:47,588 --> 01:05:47,749
you know,

1079
01:05:47,809 --> 01:05:48,628
he like worked at

1080
01:05:48,628 --> 01:05:49,209
Office Depot

1081
01:05:49,209 --> 01:05:50,108
and delivered pizzas

1082
01:05:50,108 --> 01:05:51,628
and would play his guitar

1083
01:05:51,628 --> 01:05:53,148
and did Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu

1084
01:05:53,148 --> 01:05:54,608
and all the other stuff

1085
01:05:54,608 --> 01:05:55,169
at the same time.

1086
01:05:55,388 --> 01:05:55,548
Yeah.

1087
01:05:56,769 --> 01:05:58,148
But it's easy to pay

1088
01:05:58,148 --> 01:05:59,008
for something like that.

1089
01:05:59,289 --> 01:05:59,428
Yeah.

1090
01:05:59,428 --> 01:05:59,568
You know,

1091
01:05:59,749 --> 01:06:00,888
that's not a big deal.

1092
01:06:01,408 --> 01:06:02,588
And now,

1093
01:06:02,729 --> 01:06:03,488
what does an EMT

1094
01:06:03,488 --> 01:06:04,388
qualify you to do,

1095
01:06:04,468 --> 01:06:04,729
really?

1096
01:06:04,829 --> 01:06:05,349
For a job?

1097
01:06:05,508 --> 01:06:05,829
I mean,

1098
01:06:06,008 --> 01:06:07,108
it's not a great job.

1099
01:06:07,209 --> 01:06:08,209
You can work on an ambulance

1100
01:06:08,209 --> 01:06:10,108
is like a minimum wage.

1101
01:06:10,209 --> 01:06:11,128
It's not great income.

1102
01:06:11,689 --> 01:06:13,648
So, but it is a real skill.

1103
01:06:13,849 --> 01:06:14,008
Yeah.

1104
01:06:14,068 --> 01:06:15,529
Like having the ability

1105
01:06:15,529 --> 01:06:18,628
in, if you encounter

1106
01:06:18,628 --> 01:06:20,908
a terrible, unfortunate situation,

1107
01:06:21,269 --> 01:06:22,888
have somebody who knows

1108
01:06:22,888 --> 01:06:24,048
actually what to do.

1109
01:06:24,169 --> 01:06:24,309
Yeah.

1110
01:06:24,368 --> 01:06:26,029
Who knows how to assess the situation

1111
01:06:26,029 --> 01:06:27,428
and can leap into action.

1112
01:06:27,568 --> 01:06:28,849
I mean, what a gift that is.

1113
01:06:28,888 --> 01:06:29,269
That's incredible.

1114
01:06:29,269 --> 01:06:30,388
To give an 18-year-old

1115
01:06:30,388 --> 01:06:31,849
who basically otherwise,

1116
01:06:32,029 --> 01:06:33,108
they go, they come out of college

1117
01:06:33,108 --> 01:06:33,988
and they literally don't know

1118
01:06:33,988 --> 01:06:34,908
how to do anything yet.

1119
01:06:35,029 --> 01:06:35,289
Yeah.

1120
01:06:35,628 --> 01:06:35,849
Yep.

1121
01:06:36,088 --> 01:06:36,789
I mean, you know,

1122
01:06:36,809 --> 01:06:37,829
they know these ideas.

1123
01:06:38,209 --> 01:07:04,988
So in terms of EMT, I absolutely love this. This is the greatest. I have a buddy who kind of, he lives his life like this to maybe not the same heights, all the different cool things, but he's lived internationally. He's actually lived in Argentina. We worked together in Uruguay. He's a great guy. But what's the youngest you can be to get your EMT certification? Is it 17 or is it, what is that?

1124
01:07:04,988 --> 01:07:07,769
I don't know. He was 18 at the time.

1125
01:07:07,868 --> 01:07:08,048
Okay.

1126
01:07:08,249 --> 01:07:11,329
And I think he probably could have done it younger than that.

1127
01:07:11,368 --> 01:07:12,729
And I'm sure it varies by state.

1128
01:07:13,408 --> 01:07:19,468
And so with that one, how did you get, was it like a, was there a school that he went to or was there?

1129
01:07:19,508 --> 01:07:19,829
Yes.

1130
01:07:19,968 --> 01:07:20,789
Yeah. Okay. Gotcha.

1131
01:07:20,789 --> 01:07:26,008
Yeah. And this is the one where we don't tell them, the other ones, we tell them exactly where to go.

1132
01:07:26,189 --> 01:07:26,309
Okay.

1133
01:07:26,408 --> 01:07:27,928
The EMT one, it's very local.

1134
01:07:28,189 --> 01:07:28,349
Okay.

1135
01:07:28,568 --> 01:07:29,829
So you could still be at your parents' house.

1136
01:07:30,048 --> 01:07:31,448
There's one around you.

1137
01:07:31,448 --> 01:07:34,349
if you're in the U.S., there's one not far from Max.

1138
01:07:34,448 --> 01:07:36,709
There was one that was 15 minutes, you know,

1139
01:07:36,749 --> 01:07:38,148
from where he was staying at the time.

1140
01:07:39,209 --> 01:07:40,529
And so it was easy.

1141
01:07:40,888 --> 01:07:43,029
It was so easy for him to do.

1142
01:07:43,388 --> 01:07:44,568
Very low risk.

1143
01:07:44,729 --> 01:07:44,888
Love it.

1144
01:07:44,888 --> 01:07:47,948
You know, it's part-time, you know, like easy, easy.

1145
01:07:48,029 --> 01:07:50,789
So stepping into this for a guy who, you know,

1146
01:07:50,809 --> 01:07:53,209
had a lot of social anxiety, you know,

1147
01:07:53,249 --> 01:07:56,128
and it wasn't like sending him off to Thailand

1148
01:07:56,128 --> 01:07:58,769
to do Muay Thai for three months,

1149
01:07:58,769 --> 01:08:00,789
which he started, which he's doing in January.

1150
01:08:00,789 --> 01:08:07,908
yep um so that's an easy one to do and and and from there i think you could work during that time

1151
01:08:07,908 --> 01:08:12,729
as well i we encourage people to work as much as they can you're young you have energy like

1152
01:08:12,729 --> 01:08:18,068
earn some money and you realize i mean for the two months he worked at office depot he saved

1153
01:08:18,068 --> 01:08:24,168
like five thousand dollars yep that's enough to if you don't have obligations like if you don't

1154
01:08:24,168 --> 01:08:28,628
have rent to pay because you're staying with family and friends or yeah love it you're making

1155
01:08:28,628 --> 01:08:33,389
it work i mean there's it's that that can fuel the next thing 100 but it turns out for him what

1156
01:08:33,389 --> 01:08:38,289
actually happened is he got his emt certificate and because it was part one other part of the

1157
01:08:38,289 --> 01:08:43,068
cycles i did not mention is there's an accountability like a reflection piece of it where we ask people

1158
01:08:43,068 --> 01:08:50,409
to what for max i said just publish what you did this week every week just as a method to hold

1159
01:08:50,409 --> 01:08:55,048
yourself accountable you know and and he started publishing it on sub stack at first and no one's

1160
01:08:55,048 --> 01:08:58,568
paying attention didn't matter you know yeah but he's writing it down every week it's just a bullet

1161
01:08:58,568 --> 01:09:03,469
list at first you know and now they're these now he's actually become a good writer and it's writes

1162
01:09:03,469 --> 01:09:08,409
these long essays and they're really interesting and he's awesome she helps he teaches what he

1163
01:09:08,409 --> 01:09:16,229
learned you know that's right but but basically through that he got some subscribers one of them

1164
01:09:16,229 --> 01:09:22,329
happened to own a company where basically they worked with states western states in the u.s to

1165
01:09:22,329 --> 01:09:27,769
fight wildfires and they said you know this emt thing you know these jobs kind of suck yeah but

1166
01:09:27,769 --> 01:09:28,909
during the summers,

1167
01:09:29,528 --> 01:09:29,668
you know,

1168
01:09:29,668 --> 01:09:30,329
we work for,

1169
01:09:30,429 --> 01:09:30,548
you know,

1170
01:09:30,568 --> 01:09:31,748
you can work for us

1171
01:09:31,748 --> 01:09:32,269
for the summer

1172
01:09:32,269 --> 01:09:32,689
and I'll let you

1173
01:09:32,689 --> 01:09:33,369
get the certification

1174
01:09:33,369 --> 01:09:34,748
and when you do that,

1175
01:09:35,469 --> 01:09:36,909
you earn $600 a day.

1176
01:09:38,528 --> 01:09:39,028
Let's go.

1177
01:09:39,088 --> 01:09:39,309
You know?

1178
01:09:39,648 --> 01:09:40,588
And so that's what he did.

1179
01:09:40,909 --> 01:09:41,189
So,

1180
01:09:41,289 --> 01:09:41,948
and one of the cycles

1181
01:09:41,948 --> 01:09:42,648
is a work cycle

1182
01:09:42,648 --> 01:09:43,568
because at some point

1183
01:09:43,568 --> 01:09:44,068
along the way,

1184
01:09:44,108 --> 01:09:44,909
you're going to find something

1185
01:09:44,909 --> 01:09:45,269
and you go,

1186
01:09:45,648 --> 01:09:45,969
this is,

1187
01:09:46,108 --> 01:09:46,988
I want to pursue this

1188
01:09:46,988 --> 01:09:47,668
a little further

1189
01:09:47,668 --> 01:09:49,088
to see more of what,

1190
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:49,708
it's,

1191
01:09:50,068 --> 01:09:50,508
you don't want it

1192
01:09:50,508 --> 01:09:51,309
to be a forever thing,

1193
01:09:51,469 --> 01:09:52,429
but you want to go

1194
01:09:52,429 --> 01:09:53,508
a little deeper on a topic,

1195
01:09:53,628 --> 01:09:53,849
you know?

1196
01:09:53,869 --> 01:09:54,269
And so,

1197
01:09:54,668 --> 01:09:55,969
so he spent one summer

1198
01:09:55,969 --> 01:09:56,248
doing,

1199
01:09:56,369 --> 01:09:57,068
fighting wildfires

1200
01:09:57,068 --> 01:09:59,248
and he earned quite a bit of money doing it.

1201
01:09:59,289 --> 01:10:00,508
You have no expenses, you know,

1202
01:10:00,548 --> 01:10:02,269
all your food is paid for everything, all that.

1203
01:10:02,809 --> 01:10:05,349
And I mean, at that age, I was in the army

1204
01:10:05,349 --> 01:10:09,008
and I think that was my take-home pay for a month, I think.

1205
01:10:09,648 --> 01:10:12,429
So, you know, but that's inflation is a big part of it,

1206
01:10:12,429 --> 01:10:12,829
I understand.

1207
01:10:12,948 --> 01:10:15,108
But 600, there are people that he worked with there

1208
01:10:15,108 --> 01:10:18,229
on those fires that that's literally the only job they had.

1209
01:10:18,608 --> 01:10:19,488
They would do that in the summer

1210
01:10:19,488 --> 01:10:20,869
and the rest of the year, they wouldn't work.

1211
01:10:21,068 --> 01:10:22,068
Yeah, that's incredible.

1212
01:10:22,469 --> 01:10:22,548
Yeah.

1213
01:10:23,088 --> 01:10:26,088
Okay, so EMT, cycle number one.

1214
01:10:26,088 --> 01:10:32,248
cycle number two well you know kind of depends what you want to do but you know the the the we

1215
01:10:32,248 --> 01:10:40,088
like this this cowboy cycle we think is a good one um this is flying to uruguay to work with you

1216
01:10:40,088 --> 01:10:45,269
that's uh well no well though my my son owns actually a wrangler school which is not what

1217
01:10:45,269 --> 01:10:51,189
is in here um but uh but there's what we actually prescribe for people is there's there's this uh

1218
01:10:51,189 --> 01:10:54,608
cowboy academy essentially which you go to five days and they teach you all

1219
01:10:54,608 --> 01:11:00,849
mostly working with horses but a lot of stuff around a farm cowboy type stuff cool it's fun

1220
01:11:00,849 --> 01:11:07,548
yeah it's fun and then and then after that there's uh actually it's it's a horse and mule packing

1221
01:11:07,548 --> 01:11:12,608
and i know yep where basically you go and you do these you'll learn basically these guys take people

1222
01:11:12,608 --> 01:11:17,469
on these long hunting trips no right but you learn the school like how do you actually do it

1223
01:11:17,469 --> 01:11:21,229
working with the animals and all that and you're like out and roughing it and it's a little hard

1224
01:11:21,229 --> 01:11:26,008
for sure it's challenging so i say this is like a rite of passage which young men need and they

1225
01:11:26,008 --> 01:11:30,349
cannot get elsewhere i don't think no matter even if we try and manufacture it for our kids

1226
01:11:30,349 --> 01:11:35,488
which i did try and manufacture it can't get it like you can get it here yeah so so that's one

1227
01:11:35,488 --> 01:11:39,909
uh we would definitely recommend like uh trying to do something on a regenerative farm like

1228
01:11:39,909 --> 01:11:45,748
joel salad and we like your odds of getting in are low you should apply yeah because you'll learn a

1229
01:11:45,748 --> 01:11:49,668
lot but there are lots of other ones out there that are looking for looking for help they'll

1230
01:11:49,668 --> 01:11:50,929
They'll give you housing and food.

1231
01:11:51,429 --> 01:11:56,548
You know, you learn, like, where food comes from, how it really works, and you'll learn to work hard.

1232
01:11:56,948 --> 01:11:57,689
And it's a good skill.

1233
01:11:57,789 --> 01:12:01,628
For my son, because we have a ranch, we apprenticed him to our gaucho.

1234
01:12:02,088 --> 01:12:02,208
Yeah.

1235
01:12:02,208 --> 01:12:08,208
So, he was working for our gaucho, and, you know, he worked him pretty hard.

1236
01:12:08,269 --> 01:12:15,028
He learned how to shoe horses and, you know, use all the tractors and treat cattle and all that stuff and doing that.

1237
01:12:15,128 --> 01:12:16,409
So, that's what he did specifically.

1238
01:12:17,448 --> 01:12:19,088
You know, then there's the flying.

1239
01:12:19,088 --> 01:12:23,889
So the private pilot one, there's a welding cycle.

1240
01:12:24,168 --> 01:12:27,068
There's a great school in Canada where you can learn to weld.

1241
01:12:27,349 --> 01:12:32,128
Just a great skill to have actually in high demand and pays up extremely well.

1242
01:12:32,229 --> 01:12:34,748
If you take it far, you can make a lot of money doing that.

1243
01:12:35,269 --> 01:12:41,108
So most of these, most of them are designed to deliver real skills that have real economic value.

1244
01:12:41,769 --> 01:12:47,628
Which then as they compound, you get this like, Scott Adams has this concept called skill stacking.

1245
01:12:47,628 --> 01:12:53,189
You know, you add these weird things together and, you know, the value you can provide to the world is really unique.

1246
01:12:53,289 --> 01:12:53,588
It's awesome.

1247
01:12:53,608 --> 01:12:54,628
You combine these things together.

1248
01:12:55,289 --> 01:13:00,168
Another one is going to the Shelter Institute in Maine where you design and build a house in three weeks.

1249
01:13:00,309 --> 01:13:00,488
Yep.

1250
01:13:00,769 --> 01:13:05,068
Now, you only put up a temporary frame of a house, you know, in one week.

1251
01:13:05,148 --> 01:13:10,849
But the design part, the first two weeks are the really key parts because, you know, for most of us, it's a mystery.

1252
01:13:11,229 --> 01:13:12,369
We don't even understand how it works.

1253
01:13:12,429 --> 01:13:13,448
We don't understand any of it.

1254
01:13:13,448 --> 01:13:14,349
but,

1255
01:13:14,429 --> 01:13:17,628
but you really would have the ability to design and build your own home after

1256
01:13:17,628 --> 01:13:19,708
that three week course at the shelter Institute.

1257
01:13:19,948 --> 01:13:20,068
Wow.

1258
01:13:21,068 --> 01:13:22,748
So that's fantastic one.

1259
01:13:23,349 --> 01:13:23,908
You know,

1260
01:13:23,948 --> 01:13:24,309
the,

1261
01:13:24,309 --> 01:13:25,969
we incur the sailing one is,

1262
01:13:26,048 --> 01:13:27,668
has been by far for my son,

1263
01:13:27,729 --> 01:13:31,708
the most extreme adventure one that he's done.

1264
01:13:31,708 --> 01:13:34,289
He got terribly seasick a couple of times.

1265
01:13:35,349 --> 01:13:36,809
Sailing around the Falkland Islands.

1266
01:13:37,068 --> 01:13:39,088
It's known to be extremely rough.

1267
01:13:40,108 --> 01:13:43,429
And he was with one of the best high latitude captains in the world.

1268
01:13:43,448 --> 01:13:45,748
And so we recommend using the same people.

1269
01:13:46,568 --> 01:13:52,448
So with that one, did he have sailing experience before or was just totally, totally virgin, hops on a boat?

1270
01:13:52,988 --> 01:13:53,389
Zero.

1271
01:13:54,748 --> 01:14:02,588
And so this is, you just, you found a random guy or you found like friend of a friend connection to a captain who's like, hey, we can take somebody who knows nothing.

1272
01:14:02,889 --> 01:14:09,309
You know, this was recommended to me by a ex Navy SEAL who is a captain himself.

1273
01:14:09,568 --> 01:14:10,009
Let's go.

1274
01:14:10,009 --> 01:14:13,469
He said, Max should do this.

1275
01:14:15,269 --> 01:14:16,488
That's incredible, man.

1276
01:14:16,809 --> 01:14:16,988
Yeah.

1277
01:14:16,988 --> 01:14:19,668
Yeah, so there's a...

1278
01:14:19,668 --> 01:14:20,068
Yeah, go ahead.

1279
01:14:20,668 --> 01:14:21,789
No, I was going to say that's the one we recommend.

1280
01:14:21,849 --> 01:14:24,009
So that's what the one is in here that we recommend people do.

1281
01:14:24,068 --> 01:14:24,248
In the book.

1282
01:14:24,528 --> 01:14:24,668
Yeah.

1283
01:14:24,988 --> 01:14:28,648
Yeah, there's a school, a Christian school here locally,

1284
01:14:28,889 --> 01:14:31,929
and they do a bunch of things that are very similar to this.

1285
01:14:32,068 --> 01:14:33,369
So they have...

1286
01:14:33,369 --> 01:14:36,208
They do, I see, they do like normal, quote unquote, normal school.

1287
01:14:36,208 --> 01:14:38,829
They go half day, Monday through Thursday,

1288
01:14:38,829 --> 01:14:40,809
And then they have no school on Friday.

1289
01:14:40,809 --> 01:14:46,189
And on at least I think two Fridays a month, they do something as a school.

1290
01:14:46,408 --> 01:14:49,689
And so one of the things that they do every month is they go sailing.

1291
01:14:49,689 --> 01:14:51,009
So they have like a sailing club.

1292
01:14:51,009 --> 01:14:52,668
And so they're like instilling this.

1293
01:14:52,889 --> 01:14:56,148
Another day they're processing chickens.

1294
01:14:56,389 --> 01:14:59,889
So like they go and they get all these chickens and they teach you how to do all this stuff.

1295
01:14:59,931 --> 01:15:03,151
It's not a pleasant process, but it's a good experience.

1296
01:15:03,711 --> 01:15:04,031
Exactly.

1297
01:15:04,191 --> 01:15:04,851
Great thing to learn.

1298
01:15:04,931 --> 01:15:05,951
Very helpful thing to learn.

1299
01:15:06,171 --> 01:15:06,371
So, okay.

1300
01:15:06,651 --> 01:15:09,291
So, sailing, that's been the most, the one he's enjoyed the most.

1301
01:15:09,591 --> 01:15:10,991
Well, it's been the most intense.

1302
01:15:11,251 --> 01:15:17,031
It's been the ones where he, that was the first one he came back from and was different.

1303
01:15:17,771 --> 01:15:18,731
Oh, okay.

1304
01:15:19,331 --> 01:15:19,611
Okay.

1305
01:15:19,771 --> 01:15:20,751
It was just different.

1306
01:15:21,011 --> 01:15:21,191
Yeah.

1307
01:15:21,311 --> 01:15:22,551
I mean, it was at the ends of the earth.

1308
01:15:22,551 --> 01:15:24,471
It was, yeah.

1309
01:15:25,171 --> 01:15:29,051
Where it really, like, a profound change came, I think, from that one for him.

1310
01:15:29,931 --> 01:15:34,331
yeah like i've tried to identify the point where he went from boy to man and maybe it was that one

1311
01:15:34,331 --> 01:15:40,431
maybe it was after that um you know he did the private pilot one also yep um and so that's where

1312
01:15:40,431 --> 01:15:46,611
he is now at this point now okay well he's currently in the entrepreneurship cycle okay

1313
01:15:46,611 --> 01:15:52,751
okay so um in this the way the cycles are fundamentally structured it goes from like the

1314
01:15:52,751 --> 01:15:58,631
the like doing things real things you can really wrap your mind around get your hands on in the

1315
01:15:58,631 --> 01:16:04,211
real world, like very physically oriented, shaping the world around you first, and then

1316
01:16:04,211 --> 01:16:06,471
moves to more abstract things.

1317
01:16:07,611 --> 01:16:08,091
Okay.

1318
01:16:08,231 --> 01:16:10,951
So like entrepreneurship is fantastically abstract.

1319
01:16:11,331 --> 01:16:13,671
Like what problems do I need to solve?

1320
01:16:13,771 --> 01:16:18,791
Like what product would I offer a service and then figuring out who the customer is.

1321
01:16:18,831 --> 01:16:20,051
And I mean, there's a whole bunch of stuff.

1322
01:16:20,051 --> 01:16:32,711
And so in three months, setting up and at least securing the first customer and delivering a product, at least that is the basic benchmark.

1323
01:16:34,591 --> 01:16:37,811
Does it mean it's a business that they would continue on?

1324
01:16:38,771 --> 01:16:42,891
Maybe they fail completely at it and learn it.

1325
01:16:43,031 --> 01:16:46,451
I mean, I've failed a lot as an entrepreneur, so there's no problem with failure here.

1326
01:16:46,451 --> 01:16:50,831
But you'd know within three months whether or not the business ideas makes any sense anyway.

1327
01:16:51,831 --> 01:16:54,631
So his entrepreneurship cycle is now.

1328
01:16:54,791 --> 01:16:56,751
After that, he's going to Thailand.

1329
01:16:57,011 --> 01:17:01,851
He's going to study Muay Thai at one of the schools there for three months.

1330
01:17:02,351 --> 01:17:05,251
Well, it'll be for about two months of the cycle.

1331
01:17:05,351 --> 01:17:06,071
He'll be doing that.

1332
01:17:08,011 --> 01:17:08,631
Let's see.

1333
01:17:08,691 --> 01:17:09,511
What's after that?

1334
01:17:10,011 --> 01:17:12,391
I'm trying to recall off the top of my head.

1335
01:17:13,831 --> 01:17:15,091
There's one about programming.

1336
01:17:15,091 --> 01:17:17,791
It's more oriented around my son and just what he's been doing.

1337
01:17:17,911 --> 01:17:18,071
Yeah.

1338
01:17:18,731 --> 01:17:20,131
There's a programming course.

1339
01:17:21,091 --> 01:17:21,411
Yes.

1340
01:17:21,491 --> 01:17:23,611
So it gets into more abstract course.

1341
01:17:23,611 --> 01:17:24,851
So we call it Hacker.

1342
01:17:25,971 --> 01:17:31,111
Basically, I don't believe you hear people talking about vibe coding all the time now.

1343
01:17:31,291 --> 01:17:31,311
Yeah.

1344
01:17:32,711 --> 01:17:39,931
The truth is, is that with a set of tools that are out there now, we're just like we want people to be able to create things in the physical world.

1345
01:17:40,111 --> 01:17:40,451
We want them.

1346
01:17:40,711 --> 01:17:44,611
They need to be able to understand how the virtual creation process works.

1347
01:17:44,711 --> 01:17:44,931
Correct.

1348
01:17:45,091 --> 01:17:48,131
building products that, you know, because if you,

1349
01:17:48,371 --> 01:17:51,851
the thing is if you don't understand how the world works at all,

1350
01:17:51,951 --> 01:17:56,411
it always feels like you always feel intimidated by it. And you, you know,

1351
01:17:56,471 --> 01:17:59,191
you're the way you approach the world is different. So we, we,

1352
01:17:59,191 --> 01:18:00,831
we call it a hacker. It's not a hacker at all,

1353
01:18:00,891 --> 01:18:04,551
but it's being able to hack together a product or something to,

1354
01:18:04,711 --> 01:18:08,551
so we essentially we tell them where to go and what to do for that.

1355
01:18:09,411 --> 01:18:12,251
And then one of the, one of the coolest ones out there is, I think,

1356
01:18:12,251 --> 01:18:14,391
is there's these things called fab labs.

1357
01:18:15,091 --> 01:18:17,251
Have you ever heard of a Fab Lab before?

1358
01:18:17,411 --> 01:18:18,691
Is this like 3D printing stuff?

1359
01:18:20,111 --> 01:18:22,191
That's scratched the surface.

1360
01:18:22,431 --> 01:18:22,551
Okay.

1361
01:18:23,051 --> 01:18:26,671
So these all came out of MIT and they're all over the world now.

1362
01:18:26,831 --> 01:18:28,411
You can look it up at fablabs.org.

1363
01:18:28,551 --> 01:18:29,791
They're all over the place.

1364
01:18:30,111 --> 01:18:33,691
They all have to be open to the public for at least a portion of the time.

1365
01:18:33,971 --> 01:18:37,531
They all share all the information.

1366
01:18:37,771 --> 01:18:38,771
They're all connected together.

1367
01:18:38,771 --> 01:18:50,351
And essentially they have nine machines there that allow you to digitally create virtually any product you can imagine from circuit boards to furniture.

1368
01:18:51,611 --> 01:18:52,251
Okay.

1369
01:18:52,571 --> 01:18:54,071
With these nine machines.

1370
01:18:55,611 --> 01:18:56,751
That's super cool.

1371
01:18:57,171 --> 01:18:58,171
It's super cool.

1372
01:18:58,171 --> 01:19:00,591
And they are like, yeah.

1373
01:19:00,811 --> 01:19:07,551
So the idea is that they, now this is not, you cannot do like large scale manufacturing, but this is all bespoke.

1374
01:19:07,551 --> 01:19:13,531
it's all bespoke yeah so but you can create anything at these things and there's a lot huge

1375
01:19:13,531 --> 01:19:19,491
knowledge base you get a you get to leverage there and how it works and so we tell them

1376
01:19:19,491 --> 01:19:23,871
some courses to take along the way in doing it but a lot of time spent just in the fab lab and

1377
01:19:23,871 --> 01:19:29,971
all these are open like i said to the public some are open uh you know seven days a week to the

1378
01:19:29,971 --> 01:19:34,351
public in other words there might be only open two days a week to the public but essentially you can

1379
01:19:34,351 --> 01:19:38,991
go in there and you can, the idea is that you actually build, you figure out something you want

1380
01:19:38,991 --> 01:19:44,571
to make and you learn to use the nine machines there. And then you actually create that, create

1381
01:19:44,571 --> 01:19:48,911
your own product. And so the Fab Labs, when you say courses, so you're saying the Fab Labs themselves

1382
01:19:48,911 --> 01:19:54,151
offer courses for people who are interested to learn different things. No, there are, there are

1383
01:19:54,151 --> 01:19:59,711
courses, um, in the software that you use essentially the, like the CAD software, things

1384
01:19:59,711 --> 01:20:03,811
like that that you use to use the different machines. Got you. And it's all available for

1385
01:20:03,811 --> 01:20:08,271
free also yeah i mean but when you show up and you still have questions about it like you don't

1386
01:20:08,271 --> 01:20:11,711
understand people there are people that could help you actually these things are like connected to all

1387
01:20:11,711 --> 01:20:15,431
the other ones so if there's someone working in another fab lab somewhere else in a different part

1388
01:20:15,431 --> 01:20:19,391
of the world and you go hey i'm having problems with the machine how does it how do i make this

1389
01:20:19,391 --> 01:20:25,351
work like they're there they can help out so yeah so but the idea is yeah to be able to be able to

1390
01:20:25,351 --> 01:20:31,191
use these things because i mean you like i want a fab lab in my barn okay that's what i want that's

1391
01:20:31,191 --> 01:20:33,291
because then you can make anything you need.

1392
01:20:33,491 --> 01:20:33,731
Yep.

1393
01:20:34,531 --> 01:20:34,891
Anything.

1394
01:20:35,071 --> 01:20:35,511
It's incredible.

1395
01:20:35,751 --> 01:20:36,631
So, yeah.

1396
01:20:36,771 --> 01:20:38,471
So, I think that's all 16.

1397
01:20:38,911 --> 01:20:39,651
I think we've probably covered,

1398
01:20:39,691 --> 01:20:40,711
I don't think we've missed any.

1399
01:20:42,251 --> 01:20:42,911
Yeah, there was,

1400
01:20:43,031 --> 01:20:44,171
oh man, I can't remember what the one,

1401
01:20:44,171 --> 01:20:45,611
one of the latter ones.

1402
01:20:47,051 --> 01:20:48,231
Yeah, so you said,

1403
01:20:48,891 --> 01:20:50,351
your son's done about half.

1404
01:20:51,431 --> 01:20:52,471
He's pumped.

1405
01:20:53,231 --> 01:20:54,631
He's pumped about continuing on.

1406
01:20:54,811 --> 01:20:56,111
Are there any more that he's,

1407
01:20:56,251 --> 01:20:58,651
or any ones that he's kind of intimidated by at this point?

1408
01:20:58,731 --> 01:21:00,871
Like he's not looking forward to him as much or?

1409
01:21:01,191 --> 01:21:02,271
That's a good question.

1410
01:21:04,071 --> 01:21:07,291
And I will say there's a lot of them that he hasn't looked forward to.

1411
01:21:07,651 --> 01:21:07,851
Yeah.

1412
01:21:08,131 --> 01:21:08,491
You know?

1413
01:21:08,891 --> 01:21:13,371
Because all of them sound, you know, like the EMT for his first one.

1414
01:21:13,491 --> 01:21:13,711
Yeah.

1415
01:21:13,851 --> 01:21:18,311
He really, with that one, he was like, he had no interest.

1416
01:21:18,431 --> 01:21:18,691
Sure.

1417
01:21:18,811 --> 01:21:19,091
You know?

1418
01:21:19,091 --> 01:21:19,511
Sure, sure, sure.

1419
01:21:19,511 --> 01:21:23,171
Like, it's also, I mean, it's part of human nature.

1420
01:21:23,471 --> 01:21:27,411
Like, the less we know about something, the less interested we are in it.

1421
01:21:27,411 --> 01:21:27,671
Correct.

1422
01:21:27,971 --> 01:21:28,131
Yep.

1423
01:21:28,131 --> 01:21:31,631
You know, and then once you start to see it, you go, oh, actually, this is like, look at it like this.

1424
01:21:31,751 --> 01:21:33,471
Look how cool, you know, look what you can do with it.

1425
01:21:34,151 --> 01:21:43,051
And so, but he, you know, but he trusted me enough to basically just like, just go, just show up, just do your best and see how it goes.

1426
01:21:43,051 --> 01:21:46,951
And then actually, then he started to really build real confidence in doing that and return to real skill.

1427
01:21:47,491 --> 01:21:51,311
So, yeah, but I haven't asked him if there's any of them that he's really intimidated by.

1428
01:21:51,431 --> 01:21:53,571
I know he's really looking forward to the Muay Thai one.

1429
01:21:53,891 --> 01:21:54,111
Yeah.

1430
01:21:54,471 --> 01:21:54,651
Yeah.

1431
01:21:54,791 --> 01:21:57,451
You know, he's been doing Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu for a number of years?

1432
01:21:58,371 --> 01:22:00,771
Yeah, and well, throughout this period,

1433
01:22:00,811 --> 01:22:02,011
he did it a little bit before.

1434
01:22:02,251 --> 01:22:02,431
Okay.

1435
01:22:02,651 --> 01:22:04,231
When we were still in Denver, he did some.

1436
01:22:05,311 --> 01:22:07,431
And then he's done it throughout,

1437
01:22:07,551 --> 01:22:08,831
because in most places you go,

1438
01:22:09,011 --> 01:22:11,491
there's a gym around that you can go to.

1439
01:22:12,031 --> 01:22:13,591
And it's also a different community,

1440
01:22:13,671 --> 01:22:14,911
and they're very welcoming typically.

1441
01:22:15,351 --> 01:22:18,531
And so it's a good,

1442
01:22:19,291 --> 01:22:21,611
BJJ overall, I think, is like the best default,

1443
01:22:21,831 --> 01:22:23,191
just because the community is going to,

1444
01:22:23,211 --> 01:22:24,451
and there's enough of them around now,

1445
01:22:24,491 --> 01:22:25,251
it's popular enough.

1446
01:22:25,251 --> 01:22:27,711
But he's also done some kickboxing along the way.

1447
01:22:27,711 --> 01:22:31,131
But, you know, this is, this is,

1448
01:22:31,131 --> 01:22:32,751
this camp is much more intense.

1449
01:22:32,751 --> 01:22:34,991
Like, so it's, it's very serious.

1450
01:22:34,991 --> 01:22:36,171
So he's looking forward to that.

1451
01:22:36,171 --> 01:22:57,647
Cool I remember I vaguely remembering from one of the other interviews you said like one of the latter stages is kind of like you it doing that skill stacking like you stacking some of the things you learned So it like it like taking one of the skills that you learned in building a business off of that And then and then I can remember there were some you mentioned something about drones There was something where you thought

1452
01:22:57,647 --> 01:23:00,287
Well, that's what my son's business is actually that he's doing.

1453
01:23:00,687 --> 01:23:01,167
Okay, cool.

1454
01:23:01,527 --> 01:23:06,007
His entrepreneurship business is basically, he's trying to do precision drone agriculture.

1455
01:23:06,327 --> 01:23:06,587
Okay.

1456
01:23:07,387 --> 01:23:08,047
Oh, that's incredible.

1457
01:23:08,247 --> 01:23:08,387
Okay.

1458
01:23:09,067 --> 01:23:09,947
So, I don't know.

1459
01:23:10,207 --> 01:23:11,167
So, what does that look like?

1460
01:23:11,167 --> 01:23:12,967
Or is he, I don't know if this is like proprietary.

1461
01:23:13,247 --> 01:23:13,627
I don't want to.

1462
01:23:13,827 --> 01:23:14,067
No.

1463
01:23:14,507 --> 01:23:14,907
Okay.

1464
01:23:15,027 --> 01:23:15,447
No, it's not.

1465
01:23:15,547 --> 01:23:24,507
I mean, you know, basically you can use the drones to map the land and through this multi-spectral analysis.

1466
01:23:24,687 --> 01:23:24,887
Sure.

1467
01:23:24,887 --> 01:23:32,367
And it can tell you basically the amount of food essentially is in a certain area.

1468
01:23:32,547 --> 01:23:35,187
So like we have where we rotate our animals.

1469
01:23:35,627 --> 01:23:35,747
Okay.

1470
01:23:35,907 --> 01:23:40,567
There's a lot of, and so you can see exactly if we're overgrazing or undergrazing.

1471
01:23:40,647 --> 01:23:40,807
Yep.

1472
01:23:41,367 --> 01:23:43,087
You know, better that way.

1473
01:23:43,347 --> 01:23:43,467
Sure.

1474
01:23:43,487 --> 01:23:46,067
You could also see if there's nitrogen issues.

1475
01:23:46,367 --> 01:23:46,567
Okay.

1476
01:23:47,047 --> 01:23:51,327
So you can understand that basically the health of the pastures in general.

1477
01:23:51,327 --> 01:23:58,126
And a lot of times when, like, you really don't want, like, the Joel Salatin method, it's like you don't touch the land.

1478
01:23:58,547 --> 01:24:01,626
Sometimes you do need to do things.

1479
01:24:01,807 --> 01:24:01,907
Sure.

1480
01:24:01,907 --> 01:24:07,507
Like, for instance, around here, it's endemic around us for it to be very low in phosphorus.

1481
01:24:07,907 --> 01:24:08,087
Okay.

1482
01:24:08,227 --> 01:24:14,347
And so you need to, like, you need to put some phosphorus in the soil, you know, to get healthy growth.

1483
01:24:14,567 --> 01:24:14,707
Yep.

1484
01:24:14,787 --> 01:24:16,087
But it's not necessarily everywhere.

1485
01:24:16,567 --> 01:24:16,747
Yeah.

1486
01:24:16,747 --> 01:24:21,727
And so you can essentially map out exactly where to do it, where you might need to put some seeds.

1487
01:24:22,027 --> 01:24:22,367
Got you.

1488
01:24:22,867 --> 01:24:25,427
Also, and you just deliver specifically with the drones.

1489
01:24:25,607 --> 01:24:28,027
So you map first and then the drones go and they do it.

1490
01:24:28,107 --> 01:24:30,667
So if you don't have tractors, you can do it with the drones.

1491
01:24:31,027 --> 01:24:31,207
Yeah.

1492
01:24:31,327 --> 01:24:33,947
And the drones can do it just in targeted, just the right areas.

1493
01:24:34,187 --> 01:24:35,307
You don't waste seed.

1494
01:24:35,467 --> 01:24:38,087
You don't waste, you know, the fertilizer you might be using.

1495
01:24:38,987 --> 01:24:41,447
And yeah, it's a more effective way of doing it.

1496
01:24:41,547 --> 01:24:45,807
And a lower cost way of doing it for the farmers that are doing it otherwise than right now.

1497
01:24:46,747 --> 01:24:51,447
That's incredible. Yeah. So what are the, just real quick, one of the, basically we host two

1498
01:24:51,447 --> 01:24:56,067
versions of this podcast. One of them has, uh, that's me and one of my best friends and then

1499
01:24:56,067 --> 01:25:00,407
two guys who are real good friends of ours as well. And then on Thursdays we, it's me and my

1500
01:25:00,407 --> 01:25:04,907
real good friend and then two other guys. And so one of the other two guys owns a drone company.

1501
01:25:05,126 --> 01:25:09,167
And so there's part of me, I'm like, oh man, it'd be cool to connect, you know, him and Maxim. And

1502
01:25:09,167 --> 01:25:13,467
he's, he's like basically a proprietary drone software company, you know, people buy their

1503
01:25:13,467 --> 01:25:15,447
software and then use it with DJI drones.

1504
01:25:16,087 --> 01:25:19,607
So, yeah, it'd be super interesting to see what that could look like.

1505
01:25:20,307 --> 01:25:20,667
Yeah.

1506
01:25:20,907 --> 01:25:23,547
I mean, I'm learning as he's going.

1507
01:25:23,707 --> 01:25:25,467
Like, I've always had, like, camera drones.

1508
01:25:25,607 --> 01:25:29,927
I mean, I've got my – I don't know if you can see it in the camera,

1509
01:25:30,027 --> 01:25:30,947
but I've got a drone there.

1510
01:25:31,126 --> 01:25:31,847
I love drones.

1511
01:25:32,227 --> 01:25:32,727
You know, they're good.

1512
01:25:32,827 --> 01:25:33,247
They're useful.

1513
01:25:33,487 --> 01:25:36,727
But I didn't even realize that there were drones that, like,

1514
01:25:36,787 --> 01:25:37,747
did what these drones do.

1515
01:25:37,887 --> 01:25:38,067
Yeah.

1516
01:25:38,547 --> 01:25:42,747
You know, this giant drone that carries the seeds and fertilizer,

1517
01:25:42,747 --> 01:25:43,867
I mean, it's massive.

1518
01:25:44,207 --> 01:25:44,407
Yep.

1519
01:25:44,647 --> 01:25:45,747
And it's cool.

1520
01:25:45,927 --> 01:25:47,787
And the software, what you can do with the software is amazing.

1521
01:25:47,987 --> 01:25:52,687
And you add that AI element to it and the kind of predictive ability of it.

1522
01:25:52,907 --> 01:25:53,267
Exactly.

1523
01:25:53,847 --> 01:25:54,947
It gets interesting.

1524
01:25:55,187 --> 01:26:00,126
And so I think it could be, we live in the middle of an agricultural area here on our ranch in Uruguay.

1525
01:26:00,287 --> 01:26:06,267
So as far as businesses, if you're going to be here, and I want them to be here over Christmas and stuff.

1526
01:26:06,327 --> 01:26:07,807
So I was strongly encouraging.

1527
01:26:08,147 --> 01:26:08,327
Yeah.

1528
01:26:08,447 --> 01:26:09,667
You know, let's do something you could do here.

1529
01:26:09,667 --> 01:26:16,107
um and i'm still you know i i like my son being around even though he's got to do his thing

1530
01:26:16,107 --> 01:26:21,887
um but uh you know so this is what this is what he came up with for for what could be

1531
01:26:21,887 --> 01:26:27,087
it could work and i actually think it could be a gigantic business yeah actually yeah no it makes

1532
01:26:27,087 --> 01:26:30,927
a lot of sense to me so with this zone one of the things you you mentioned in one of these other

1533
01:26:30,927 --> 01:26:37,827
interviews was you said this is this plan is specifically for a guy like this is this is kind

1534
01:26:37,827 --> 01:26:41,347
of laid out with the guy in mind. I would love to hear kind of what's, what's your philosophy

1535
01:26:41,347 --> 01:26:47,507
and thinking on that front. And you've mentioned potentially doing this, creating a girl oriented

1536
01:26:47,507 --> 01:26:53,366
version of this. Would love to hear kind of your thoughts on that. Well, um, there's two parts.

1537
01:26:53,447 --> 01:26:59,527
I think a lot of the specific, uh, cycles are just as applicable to a woman as a man. I don't

1538
01:26:59,527 --> 01:27:04,667
think there's any difference in that whatsoever. Sure. Uh, there are a couple of, there are a few

1539
01:27:04,667 --> 01:27:10,827
changes i would make sure um that i think things would be just more more drive more curiosity

1540
01:27:10,827 --> 01:27:18,246
among a woman and i say so i'm right now my daughter is right now the same age exactly that

1541
01:27:18,246 --> 01:27:25,967
max was when he started yep so i have a i have a new problem right that i want to write it's great

1542
01:27:25,967 --> 01:27:32,967
or at least at least yeah be able to speak you know so to figure it out for her is just as

1543
01:27:32,967 --> 01:27:39,787
important to me as it was for max so the but it's really the first part of the book that i think is

1544
01:27:39,787 --> 01:27:47,866
most different yep that makes sense yep because we're we're we're calling like a man wants to

1545
01:27:47,866 --> 01:27:57,087
become something you know and and a woman like the the amazing thing about women is they are

1546
01:27:57,087 --> 01:27:58,267
they already are

1547
01:27:58,267 --> 01:27:59,246
something

1548
01:27:59,246 --> 01:28:00,787
you know

1549
01:28:00,787 --> 01:28:01,767
now

1550
01:28:01,767 --> 01:28:02,246
they

1551
01:28:02,246 --> 01:28:02,947
like

1552
01:28:02,947 --> 01:28:03,967
we

1553
01:28:03,967 --> 01:28:06,007
in its purest form

1554
01:28:06,007 --> 01:28:06,787
you could say that

1555
01:28:06,787 --> 01:28:08,167
we describe in here

1556
01:28:08,167 --> 01:28:09,047
how a young man

1557
01:28:09,047 --> 01:28:10,307
can become powerful

1558
01:28:10,307 --> 01:28:12,527
powerful in control

1559
01:28:12,527 --> 01:28:13,107
of themselves

1560
01:28:13,107 --> 01:28:13,987
and in their ability

1561
01:28:13,987 --> 01:28:14,827
to shape the world

1562
01:28:14,827 --> 01:28:16,387
now a woman

1563
01:28:16,387 --> 01:28:17,107
a young woman

1564
01:28:17,107 --> 01:28:17,827
has

1565
01:28:17,827 --> 01:28:19,507
just because

1566
01:28:19,507 --> 01:28:20,207
biologically

1567
01:28:20,207 --> 01:28:20,746
yep

1568
01:28:20,746 --> 01:28:22,167
an unreasonable

1569
01:28:22,167 --> 01:28:23,067
amount of power

1570
01:28:23,067 --> 01:28:23,447
yep

1571
01:28:23,447 --> 01:28:24,547
that is

1572
01:28:24,547 --> 01:28:26,107
dangerous to them

1573
01:28:26,107 --> 01:28:26,746
mm-hmm

1574
01:28:27,087 --> 01:28:37,967
in a way and so helping them exercise that power yep to its fullest potential you know and to to

1575
01:28:37,967 --> 01:28:44,947
where because like there isn't a hero's journey for for a woman yeah there there is not that same

1576
01:28:44,947 --> 01:28:51,327
it's that that same it doesn't work yeah it's it's a different fundamental drive yep that that

1577
01:28:51,327 --> 01:28:55,667
that a woman still goes through this experience to become a woman in full.

1578
01:28:55,987 --> 01:28:59,167
But it's not the same exactly.

1579
01:28:59,347 --> 01:29:07,087
So this book is written to talk to a young man in a way that a young man would get and say and connect with right away.

1580
01:29:07,087 --> 01:29:09,307
And that part has to be different for a woman.

1581
01:29:09,866 --> 01:29:09,927
Yeah.

1582
01:29:10,246 --> 01:29:14,467
And I just can't tell you how refreshing it is to hear this.

1583
01:29:14,467 --> 01:29:24,866
Because, again, this is one of these things where one of the heavily subsidized governmentally lies is that basically men and women are exactly the same in every possible way.

1584
01:29:25,387 --> 01:29:26,687
We don't need to change anything.

1585
01:29:26,807 --> 01:29:29,587
You don't need to even think about writing an alternate intro.

1586
01:29:30,187 --> 01:29:31,067
Matt, how dare you?

1587
01:29:31,126 --> 01:29:31,967
You sexist pig.

1588
01:29:32,587 --> 01:29:33,047
I got that.

1589
01:29:33,287 --> 01:29:34,366
I got someone's comments.

1590
01:29:34,567 --> 01:29:34,787
Definitely.

1591
01:29:35,707 --> 01:29:41,746
But, again, it's just like we have thousands of years of recorded human history.

1592
01:29:41,746 --> 01:29:46,847
and even just if you just again use your brain and think about just that even the physical

1593
01:29:46,847 --> 01:29:51,847
biological differences like there there are real differences that are designed to be complementary

1594
01:29:51,847 --> 01:29:56,987
and that are designed to foster human flourishing for you know throughout the throughout the ages

1595
01:29:56,987 --> 01:30:03,487
and so it doesn't do anybody any good to pretend in the name of political correctness that people

1596
01:30:03,487 --> 01:30:07,347
aren't that men and women are exactly the same they're just not you know and we've there's been

1597
01:30:07,347 --> 01:30:09,807
all kinds of studies that have borne this out.

1598
01:30:09,807 --> 01:30:13,027
When you give, I think it's in some of the Nordic countries,

1599
01:30:13,027 --> 01:30:15,687
that's one of Jordan Peterson's famous illustrations,

1600
01:30:15,687 --> 01:30:27,702
where he like you give maximum choice you let anybody do what they want and they just self to these different things you know in terms of the you know The choice is to be a caretaker caretaker roles and things like that

1601
01:30:27,782 --> 01:30:27,882
Yeah.

1602
01:30:28,002 --> 01:30:28,582
A hundred percent.

1603
01:30:28,782 --> 01:30:34,862
And so again, to act like we're going to, we're going to put 50% of women and 50% of men in every single thing.

1604
01:30:34,862 --> 01:30:35,982
And then we're all going to be happy.

1605
01:30:35,982 --> 01:30:37,962
It's like, no, that's not how, that's not how this works.

1606
01:30:37,962 --> 01:30:46,662
And so just even your project articulated, I feel like you're going to, especially from our audience, we have tons of people who, you know, see who are, who are going to appreciate that.

1607
01:30:46,662 --> 01:30:51,222
just appreciate what's called, I've got a buddy who has coined this term called,

1608
01:30:52,182 --> 01:30:54,502
he basically calls them reality respecters.

1609
01:30:55,322 --> 01:30:56,242
So people who-

1610
01:30:56,242 --> 01:30:58,022
Yeah, I'm going to have a total right reality respecter.

1611
01:30:58,182 --> 01:30:58,582
Exactly.

1612
01:30:58,842 --> 01:31:02,422
It's like, we're not out here trying to be reality revolutionaries, okay?

1613
01:31:02,422 --> 01:31:05,222
Where it's like, oh, we're going to go fix everything out in the world to make it the

1614
01:31:05,222 --> 01:31:06,102
way that we think it should be.

1615
01:31:06,362 --> 01:31:11,422
It's like more of a, we go out in the world, we're as scientists, like what do we observe?

1616
01:31:12,002 --> 01:31:13,462
And we observe these differences.

1617
01:31:13,462 --> 01:31:39,702
And so we want to respect reality. And we want to, again, not necessarily conform in the worst way, but we want to align ourselves much like a sail. A sail is designed to catch the wind. And so you want to position the boat in such a way that you can catch the wind that's there in order to then use that for, you know, your own purposes. And so, yeah, so I'm really fascinated. I'll be looking forward to hearing more about, you know, the female side of things and as somebody with boys and girls.

1618
01:31:39,702 --> 01:31:54,262
So, yeah, I, so I think the reason why it is boy oriented is because this was my best attempt to try and the information that I thought my son needed at that time.

1619
01:31:54,342 --> 01:31:55,082
Exactly. Yep.

1620
01:31:55,122 --> 01:32:01,162
And the direction he needed in order to become who he hoped to become, you know, that was it.

1621
01:32:01,162 --> 01:32:05,142
And with my, my, and so the version for my daughter will be the same.

1622
01:32:05,382 --> 01:32:07,642
And my daughter's a totally different human being.

1623
01:32:07,642 --> 01:32:15,482
I mean, she's like, you know, my daughter is like radiant, you know, my son was, is not radiant.

1624
01:32:15,802 --> 01:32:19,322
I don't know what, you know, they're different, they're totally different.

1625
01:32:19,382 --> 01:32:31,202
So I'm just dealing with reality because I'm only, I'm only concerned with the boy who is in his state of mind, his hopes, his dreams, his fears that he's dealing with at that particular age.

1626
01:32:31,662 --> 01:32:34,162
And his motivations are different.

1627
01:32:34,722 --> 01:32:35,162
Absolutely.

1628
01:32:35,162 --> 01:32:39,642
And this is something as well where, I mean, this book is written by you and Doug, right?

1629
01:32:39,662 --> 01:32:44,542
This is written by two career men who've been men for their entire lives.

1630
01:32:44,922 --> 01:32:52,862
And so some of this, another thing that I appreciate about this is really what's embodied in this book is just stewardship, right?

1631
01:32:53,282 --> 01:33:02,542
You guys are taking your experiences and you're trying to steward those experiences by passing them on and package them and thinking about and excluding and including.

1632
01:33:02,542 --> 01:33:05,722
and you're trying to do that in an effective way.

1633
01:33:06,302 --> 01:33:08,402
And again, just the project overall

1634
01:33:08,402 --> 01:33:10,302
is just something I'm just really encouraged by.

1635
01:33:10,302 --> 01:33:15,542
I find myself, yeah, I find myself just longing for,

1636
01:33:15,622 --> 01:33:16,522
in different aspects of my life,

1637
01:33:16,622 --> 01:33:19,622
longing for experience and longing for,

1638
01:33:19,722 --> 01:33:21,802
all right, oh man, I would love to talk to somebody

1639
01:33:21,802 --> 01:33:22,982
who's kind of walked through this process.

1640
01:33:23,102 --> 01:33:25,802
And I find that I have found them to varying degrees,

1641
01:33:26,322 --> 01:33:29,182
but I really do think there's a lot,

1642
01:33:29,262 --> 01:33:30,382
especially among younger guys,

1643
01:33:30,382 --> 01:33:36,382
there's a lot of frustration and they feel frustrated and hopeless because they've been

1644
01:33:36,382 --> 01:33:44,242
kind of, because there's been an absence of, of, uh, an absence of specific instruction on this

1645
01:33:44,242 --> 01:33:48,702
topic. They're just thinking it's totally normal just to be a lone wolf out there in the world,

1646
01:33:48,782 --> 01:33:54,282
trying to vibe code your life. And in reality, like this is just a totally abnormal situation

1647
01:33:54,282 --> 01:33:57,982
throughout time. You were just throughout all of human history. You have men who are leading on,

1648
01:33:57,982 --> 01:34:02,502
leaning on their fathers or leaning on other men, leaning on grandfathers or again, people in your

1649
01:34:02,502 --> 01:34:08,282
community. And, and now we just don't have that as much because of this heavily subsidized

1650
01:34:08,282 --> 01:34:12,682
institution of the university that's supposed to fix everything for you. As long as you surrender

1651
01:34:12,682 --> 01:34:18,442
your children and enough cat and enough coin. Uh, and so I think that this is, I, I just, I think

1652
01:34:18,442 --> 01:34:21,882
the way, when I look at the world right now, I'm like, this is this heavily subsidized experiment

1653
01:34:21,882 --> 01:34:27,662
that's doomed to fail. It's not sustainable in any, in any real way, it's going to fail. And so

1654
01:34:27,662 --> 01:34:34,022
where are the off ramps? I think this book is, is one of a great off ramps. It's, it's one that

1655
01:34:34,022 --> 01:34:38,922
you should take, you should chew up, you should question, you should, you know, yell at it. Just

1656
01:34:38,922 --> 01:34:42,682
be like, no, I disagree completely with this element of it, you know, but go out there, go to

1657
01:34:42,682 --> 01:34:48,102
town and, and really just do the work. Because I think in, in doing the work and thinking through

1658
01:34:48,102 --> 01:34:52,062
these things, you, the exactly what your goal, what you've talked about being your goal is going

1659
01:34:52,062 --> 01:34:56,682
to happen. You're going to find out things about yourself. You're going to discover things about,

1660
01:34:56,682 --> 01:35:00,042
about the world and all these things and you're going to be a better person for it coming out the

1661
01:35:00,042 --> 01:35:05,382
other end you'll be the you'll be the man you want to be yeah which is what matters yeah amen yeah i

1662
01:35:05,382 --> 01:35:13,942
think so and i mean you know for us like you know doug and i you know we this is what we would both

1663
01:35:13,942 --> 01:35:20,702
do yeah today if we could so that's that's the key for us it was like thinking about it knowing

1664
01:35:20,702 --> 01:35:25,202
what we know and what we've done what we're and and also knowing the way the world is today yeah

1665
01:35:25,202 --> 01:35:26,562
which is very different.

1666
01:35:26,782 --> 01:35:27,482
And I think, you know,

1667
01:35:27,522 --> 01:35:29,262
the college situation is way worse.

1668
01:35:29,422 --> 01:35:31,122
We talked about lots of reasons already,

1669
01:35:31,162 --> 01:35:32,882
but the whole other reason is the AI thing.

1670
01:35:33,662 --> 01:35:34,022
And they're,

1671
01:35:35,622 --> 01:35:36,742
do you know the biggest,

1672
01:35:36,862 --> 01:35:38,962
most common business or major in the U.S.

1673
01:35:38,982 --> 01:35:40,222
is business administration.

1674
01:35:40,802 --> 01:35:41,242
Really?

1675
01:35:41,342 --> 01:35:42,182
That's the most common major.

1676
01:35:42,762 --> 01:35:47,922
And that is the easiest one

1677
01:35:47,922 --> 01:35:49,562
to sort of scrub from existence

1678
01:35:49,562 --> 01:35:52,042
that I can imagine by AI.

1679
01:35:52,902 --> 01:35:53,342
Yeah.

1680
01:35:53,922 --> 01:35:54,422
You know,

1681
01:35:54,422 --> 01:35:59,662
it won't exist. And so these kids, these poor kids who are in college and are thinking they're

1682
01:35:59,662 --> 01:36:02,842
doing the right thing the entire time because they're doing what they've been told and they're

1683
01:36:02,842 --> 01:36:07,762
taking on debt are going to come out and they're going to have real, real job problems. And we're

1684
01:36:07,762 --> 01:36:13,202
already starting to see it. It's horrifying to think about. One of the things that, again,

1685
01:36:13,262 --> 01:36:15,982
the principle you articulate, it makes me think about. So there's this principle,

1686
01:36:16,262 --> 01:36:20,062
there's this passage in the Old Testament in the Bible. It's from 1 Chronicles 12.

1687
01:36:20,062 --> 01:36:25,402
it talks about these men it says from the tribe of Issachar there were 200 leaders of the tribe

1688
01:36:25,402 --> 01:36:31,542
with their relatives these were men of understanding who understood the times they understood what

1689
01:36:31,542 --> 01:36:36,642
Israel should do and so what you you have this description of this family this like crowd of

1690
01:36:36,642 --> 01:36:42,642
people who uniquely understood they looked around it wasn't just that they had general skill like

1691
01:36:42,642 --> 01:36:46,642
they had abilities but then they looked around and they knew they understood had a better

1692
01:36:46,642 --> 01:36:53,022
understanding of the broad time and what they're in. So the wisdom is this, it's skill combined

1693
01:36:53,022 --> 01:36:58,382
with timing. There's some people who've talked about the idea that being early is indistinguishable

1694
01:36:58,382 --> 01:37:02,422
from being wrong. And so it's one of these things where you have to have, you have to have wisdom

1695
01:37:02,422 --> 01:37:07,062
and you need to be able to apply it at the right time or else you can be, you can be doomed. If you

1696
01:37:07,062 --> 01:37:15,062
plant seeds in winter, it's going to be catastrophic. And so this idea seems really just right on key

1697
01:37:15,062 --> 01:37:20,822
to me, it seems very valuable just to be, you know, it's not enough to have vague general ideas

1698
01:37:20,822 --> 01:37:25,242
about what would be good. It's also like taking those ideas and then looking and figure out what

1699
01:37:25,242 --> 01:37:30,442
time is it? Is this a time, again, is this a time to store up seeds? You know, is this a time where

1700
01:37:30,442 --> 01:37:34,642
you're thinking about it as an investor, right? There's times where the best thing you could have

1701
01:37:34,642 --> 01:37:40,502
done in the years leading up to 2008 was maybe, you know, own homes and then sell once you start

1702
01:37:40,502 --> 01:37:44,602
to see things getting hot. So you've got capital on hand when everything crashes and then you can

1703
01:37:44,602 --> 01:37:48,802
come around and pick up the pieces for pennies on the dollar. Like it's, um, and so, yeah, I just,

1704
01:37:48,882 --> 01:37:54,442
I really appreciate your time and just your, your expertise and, uh, your experiences and would love

1705
01:37:54,442 --> 01:37:58,542
for this to be, uh, you know, the first of a number of conversations, whether they're on the

1706
01:37:58,542 --> 01:38:11,517
podcast or not So I going to find you and then I chase you down and be you know tell you my my hero you know see if we can make things happen So it been fun talking to you man It been really good So I really enjoyed the conversation I think it it been great

1707
01:38:11,517 --> 01:38:16,997
And yeah, the, um, the one last thing I'll say about the book is that, um, you know, we,

1708
01:38:17,737 --> 01:38:22,637
Doug and I, in our podcast, we basically just talk about problems all the time.

1709
01:38:22,637 --> 01:38:23,077
Yep.

1710
01:38:24,137 --> 01:38:29,737
And, you know, in our personal lives, we're always focused on solutions.

1711
01:38:30,017 --> 01:38:30,157
Yep.

1712
01:38:30,177 --> 01:38:32,397
I mean, that's why I live on a regenerative cattle ranch in Uruguay.

1713
01:38:32,697 --> 01:38:38,017
That's why, you know, there's a, but, but the thing is, is a lot of that doesn't translate well to others.

1714
01:38:38,017 --> 01:38:41,597
And so, you know, but focusing on problems will make you insane.

1715
01:38:42,897 --> 01:38:48,357
And the only answer to the problems that we face, I think, are radical personal responsibility.

1716
01:38:48,857 --> 01:38:49,477
That's it.

1717
01:38:49,477 --> 01:38:58,337
And so this is, we're trying to, for the most, for the people that will shape the future, we're trying to sort of pass that to them as much as we can.

1718
01:38:58,337 --> 01:39:25,057
Yeah. And you guys talk about this at the beginning. You say like this book isn't this book and this process isn't for everybody. You guys are trying to just put your hands up right off the bat and say, hey, we're not saying this is a one size fits all solution. But yeah, this it really is. We live in a world where it's easier than ever to just outsource any hard things or responsibility. You farm it out to the government. You farm it out to the state. You farm it out to, you know, to the school. You farm it out to other people.

1719
01:39:25,057 --> 01:39:30,297
I've had friends who've started businesses doing just things you can't even believe in making

1720
01:39:30,297 --> 01:39:34,857
ungodly amounts of money just because they're willing to do banal things that wealthy people

1721
01:39:34,857 --> 01:39:40,237
don't want to do. It's just crazy. Yeah, no doubt. And I mean, this is one of the great things about

1722
01:39:40,237 --> 01:39:45,557
our economy. I know we're going long, but one of the great things about our economy is through

1723
01:39:45,557 --> 01:39:52,977
specialization, it has created all kinds of abundance. Now, and I think it's healthy for,

1724
01:39:52,977 --> 01:39:55,317
it's really healthy in that way.

1725
01:39:55,577 --> 01:39:57,097
You know, and that specialization

1726
01:39:57,097 --> 01:39:58,577
does have a real powerful impact.

1727
01:39:58,937 --> 01:40:01,117
But I think it is really bad

1728
01:40:01,117 --> 01:40:01,777
for the individual.

1729
01:40:02,057 --> 01:40:02,977
Exactly. Agreed.

1730
01:40:03,497 --> 01:40:06,097
It really strips a person of their core

1731
01:40:06,097 --> 01:40:07,757
when, you know, when literally

1732
01:40:07,757 --> 01:40:10,317
you can operate as an economic unit

1733
01:40:10,317 --> 01:40:10,897
in the world

1734
01:40:10,897 --> 01:40:13,037
with no understanding

1735
01:40:13,037 --> 01:40:14,057
of the world around you.

1736
01:40:14,277 --> 01:40:15,817
Just the thing that you do

1737
01:40:15,817 --> 01:40:16,837
that generates the income

1738
01:40:16,837 --> 01:40:18,217
and then it's Uber Eats

1739
01:40:18,217 --> 01:40:19,837
and then it's, you know,

1740
01:40:20,017 --> 01:40:22,037
like Amazon shows up

1741
01:40:22,037 --> 01:40:28,417
and you're just a car that's basically it's like yes i mean and it's it's dehumanizing yeah

1742
01:40:28,417 --> 01:40:36,117
100 100 yeah yeah i do i do think that it's something that we're i mean then you factor

1743
01:40:36,117 --> 01:40:41,897
in the ai stuff and it's just even more like just the idea of elon musk saying oh we're gonna get

1744
01:40:41,897 --> 01:40:47,757
rid of work it's just like it's a faulty it's a totally insufficient understanding of what it

1745
01:40:47,757 --> 01:40:52,217
means to be human, that you would try to just get rid of work rather than, you know, looking at work

1746
01:40:52,217 --> 01:40:58,297
as, you know, this is something that was designed to be something that is part of our identity.

1747
01:40:58,297 --> 01:41:02,437
You know, it's not an all-encompassing thing where if you lose it, then you're crushed as a human.

1748
01:41:02,577 --> 01:41:06,557
But it is this very important way. And from a Christian standpoint, I look at this like,

1749
01:41:06,897 --> 01:41:10,537
you know, your work is one way that you are able to love and serve your neighbor. Like,

1750
01:41:10,557 --> 01:41:17,357
this is a big part of, you know, this is where I can take my skills, my time, my mind,

1751
01:41:17,357 --> 01:41:23,417
and I can fabric, you know, package that in a way that then allows me to, to actually provide

1752
01:41:23,417 --> 01:41:29,377
for your needs in a meaningful way and in a way that not just meets your, uh, you as a, as a meat

1753
01:41:29,377 --> 01:41:34,557
suit, uh, your physical needs, but can also, I can also present it to you in a way that demonstrates

1754
01:41:34,557 --> 01:41:40,477
that I care for you. Uh, and that I, I'm, I'm, I'm invested in your good. That's in a way that's

1755
01:41:40,477 --> 01:41:44,197
beyond just your physical good. It's also your mental and emotional. And so I think that it's

1756
01:41:44,197 --> 01:41:50,037
real easy to, it's real easy for businesses and for governments to focus on the things that they

1757
01:41:50,037 --> 01:41:55,297
can, uh, that they can, uh, denominate. They can like count up the countable things, countable

1758
01:41:55,297 --> 01:42:01,257
success, KPIs, they can do all these things. And yet I really, I think I agree with what you're

1759
01:42:01,257 --> 01:42:07,497
saying where there's a lot of, if we don't, if we're not careful, and I think we have failed,

1760
01:42:07,497 --> 01:42:11,137
We're like leaving the non-easily countable things.

1761
01:42:11,317 --> 01:42:15,057
We're not putting enough emphasis on how important they are.

1762
01:42:15,177 --> 01:42:17,597
We're not really understanding how important they really are.

1763
01:42:17,737 --> 01:42:26,797
And that's leading to some of the breakdowns of trust that result in things like we are seeing in the news in terms of politics and all these kind of things.

1764
01:42:27,257 --> 01:42:32,257
And I think it leads to also this loss of where people feel like nihilistic about life.

1765
01:42:32,257 --> 01:42:32,977
Yep, exactly.

1766
01:42:33,137 --> 01:42:35,437
Because they recognize I'm an economic unit.

1767
01:42:35,617 --> 01:42:35,777
Yep.

1768
01:42:35,777 --> 01:42:39,917
I work, I get money, but there, there is no fruit from my labor.

1769
01:42:40,117 --> 01:42:45,777
Exactly. Yep. Yep. And so it's, it's, yeah, it's terrible. And I, yeah, so there,

1770
01:42:46,297 --> 01:42:52,137
yeah, the work won't go away. Work, well, hopefully work is, produces fruit.

1771
01:42:52,517 --> 01:42:57,177
Yep. Amen. Man. Well, Hey, Matt, really appreciate you. Are you going to be,

1772
01:42:57,317 --> 01:43:00,297
I mean, some people come back and do conferences and stuff like that. Are you

1773
01:43:00,297 --> 01:43:03,017
going to be back in the States anytime in the future here?

1774
01:43:03,757 --> 01:43:10,017
You know, my only current trip I have planned is to Azerbaijan with Doug at the end of October.

1775
01:43:10,237 --> 01:43:10,557
Let's go.

1776
01:43:10,957 --> 01:43:11,057
Good.

1777
01:43:11,337 --> 01:43:12,517
And I don't know.

1778
01:43:12,637 --> 01:43:14,357
I think, yeah, I think we might do something.

1779
01:43:14,857 --> 01:43:17,137
We might, yeah, spend some.

1780
01:43:17,297 --> 01:43:20,697
Yeah, we don't have any plan to be in the U.S. anytime soon.

1781
01:43:20,897 --> 01:43:22,017
But that could change, you know.

1782
01:43:22,057 --> 01:43:22,677
We're flexible.

1783
01:43:22,817 --> 01:43:23,497
We'll see what happens.

1784
01:43:23,737 --> 01:43:24,357
Keep me in the loop.

1785
01:43:24,557 --> 01:43:25,557
Would love to hang out.

1786
01:43:25,657 --> 01:43:26,997
I'm trying to get down to Uruguay.

1787
01:43:26,997 --> 01:43:28,117
So there's a Bitcoin.

1788
01:43:28,257 --> 01:43:29,137
We didn't even talk about Bitcoin.

1789
01:43:29,557 --> 01:43:31,657
This is what a horrible Bitcoin podcast.

1790
01:43:31,757 --> 01:43:32,337
But no, it's been great.

1791
01:43:33,017 --> 01:43:36,097
But there's a Bitcoin conference in Buenos Aires every year.

1792
01:43:36,777 --> 01:43:40,897
I've been trying to get down to it for the last couple of years since we've been back here and just haven't been able to do it.

1793
01:43:40,977 --> 01:43:43,517
So maybe next year and we can hang out.

1794
01:43:43,737 --> 01:43:45,257
Well, if you do come down, let me know.

1795
01:43:45,837 --> 01:43:46,697
Would love to do it.

1796
01:43:46,817 --> 01:43:48,697
Well, hey, enjoy the Uruguayan beef for me.

1797
01:43:48,797 --> 01:43:51,197
For those of you who don't know, Uruguay is some of the best beef in the world.

1798
01:43:51,877 --> 01:43:52,957
It's just more cowl.

1799
01:43:52,957 --> 01:43:57,557
More beef consumed per capita in Uruguay than anywhere else in the world.

1800
01:43:58,057 --> 01:43:59,157
As it should be.

1801
01:43:59,637 --> 01:44:00,817
Matt, really appreciate you.

1802
01:44:00,937 --> 01:44:01,677
Actually, here, do this.

1803
01:44:01,677 --> 01:44:04,617
Tell people where they can find you in terms of website or Twitter.

1804
01:44:04,817 --> 01:44:05,937
You can put your Twitter handle or something.

1805
01:44:06,117 --> 01:44:06,337
Okay.

1806
01:44:06,477 --> 01:44:10,737
So first of all, for the preparation, you can go to thepreparation.com.

1807
01:44:11,577 --> 01:44:18,357
Essentially, this, we hope, will end up being kind of a hub for young people who are doing this.

1808
01:44:18,437 --> 01:44:21,597
Because we encourage people to post on Substack what they're doing.

1809
01:44:21,697 --> 01:44:24,977
And then we can connect them and feature them and all that there.

1810
01:44:25,097 --> 01:44:26,277
So thepreparation.com.

1811
01:44:26,637 --> 01:44:28,297
Obviously, the book's available on Amazon.

1812
01:44:28,597 --> 01:44:29,457
It's published through Amazon.

1813
01:44:29,617 --> 01:44:30,697
So it's the only place you can get it.

1814
01:44:31,677 --> 01:44:35,397
Unfortunately, I wish it weren't, but it's just the way it is.

1815
01:44:36,897 --> 01:44:37,677
And let's see.

1816
01:44:38,017 --> 01:44:41,777
The other thing is Doug Casey's take is where you can see me talk to Doug.

1817
01:44:42,837 --> 01:44:45,077
We usually do two podcasts a week, typically,

1818
01:44:45,557 --> 01:44:48,717
mostly for good karma and to entertain ourselves.

1819
01:44:49,097 --> 01:44:54,117
And when we do them less often, it's because we just don't feel entertained, honestly.

1820
01:44:54,437 --> 01:44:56,037
So there's that.

1821
01:44:56,117 --> 01:44:58,337
And then we have on the financial side of things,

1822
01:44:58,337 --> 01:45:01,297
we publish financial newsletter at crisisinvesting.com,

1823
01:45:01,297 --> 01:45:02,477
which is also on Substack.

1824
01:45:02,697 --> 01:45:04,037
And it's got a free letter

1825
01:45:04,037 --> 01:45:05,377
you can subscribe to if you want.

1826
01:45:06,737 --> 01:45:08,977
And on Twitter, it's Matt Fius.

1827
01:45:09,117 --> 01:45:11,457
M-A-T-T-P-H-E-U-S.

1828
01:45:11,837 --> 01:45:11,957
Okay.

1829
01:45:12,797 --> 01:45:14,057
Matt, really appreciate you.

1830
01:45:14,137 --> 01:45:15,577
And we'd love to have you back at some point.

1831
01:45:15,657 --> 01:45:16,637
Maybe we can get Doug on here

1832
01:45:16,637 --> 01:45:17,417
and chat with him too.

1833
01:45:17,497 --> 01:45:19,197
Here's some of his James Bond stories.

1834
01:45:19,317 --> 01:45:19,717
That'd be great.

1835
01:45:19,877 --> 01:45:20,117
Yeah.

1836
01:45:21,237 --> 01:45:22,417
The thing is, he's so humble.

1837
01:45:22,537 --> 01:45:22,977
He won't even,

1838
01:45:23,117 --> 01:45:24,557
he can't brag about himself.

1839
01:45:25,037 --> 01:45:25,577
He can't.

1840
01:45:25,997 --> 01:45:26,657
Well, that's great.

1841
01:45:26,797 --> 01:45:27,437
We'll appreciate that.

1842
01:45:28,057 --> 01:45:28,357
All right.

1843
01:45:28,397 --> 01:45:28,637
Awesome.

1844
01:45:29,037 --> 01:45:29,617
Thanks a lot, Jordan.

1845
01:45:29,617 --> 01:45:30,177
Appreciate it.

1846
01:45:31,297 --> 01:45:44,477
Thank you.