Welcome back to episode 20. Episode 20, guys. Can you believe it? Episode 20 of To The Unknown
Pod. My name is Jordan Bush. I'm the executive director of TGFB Media, which exists to help
Christians understand and use Bitcoin for the glory of God and good of people everywhere.
I'm joined by Ryan and Matt. Ryan, introduce yourself and then Matt, you can follow.
Yeah, I'm Ryan Finley, tech entrepreneur, father of six. Yeah. Bitcoin triple maxi. Yeah, it's good to be here.
I'm Matt Purvis, still working on my maxi card, according to the strict rules of this podcast anyways. And also father of six, business owner and longtime pastor in Hawaii.
using what we like to call the right way. Yes, you're working on it. It's kidding. We'll get
you there. So yeah, we are here. So if you have stumbled in here somehow and you've wondered what
in the world is this supposed to be, we are Christians. We are dads. We are husbands. And so
when we spend time on Twitter, we don't just want to leave it there and then just have
quote unquote wasted that time. We want to redeem it. So what we do is we just basically use this
podcast as kind of like a debrief session from the most helpful things that we found on Twitter
things that might have to do with investing, might have to do with scripture, might have to do with
parenting, husbandry, any one of a number of things. And so we kind of bring them here and
then we just debrief with some of our good friends who are experts and have succeeded in
different fields. And so they bring expertise and then we kind of talk about those things.
So this week, we're here, we're missing Osh. It's become a reoccurring theme. We miss him.
Hopefully he'll be back next week.
Spending all this time with family and stuff.
Like, what's that all about?
My goodness.
Like, what?
I don't get it.
But hopefully he'll return.
But, you know, meanwhile, Bitcoin is just pumping the living daylights out right now.
I believe we've come down a little bit.
I think we're at like 117.
Bitcoin, Ryan, pumped up to $123,000.
And so, again, we just have a whole lot of stuff going on.
And we want to just kind of, again, this is not going to be a full-blown, we're not going to be singing the Pump It Up song.
We're not going to have that latently in the background.
But we are going to kind of talk about it a little bit.
Joe Consorti, friend of the program, shared this.
$1.3 billion in shorts were liquidated in less than 60 seconds a couple days ago.
Bitcoin skipped straight past $120K and went directly to $121,000.
US dollars. That is at 2.3 trillion market cap. Bitcoin is now officially larger than
amazon.com and is the world's fifth largest asset. This is insane, guys. Insane that Bitcoin
is at a bigger market cap than Amazon. It's probably down smaller than Amazon right now,
just because of this recent little dip here.
But holy cow, just absolutely nuts.
I'll let you guys kind of take it from there.
Anybody, I mean, what do you want to add to that?
Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
There's a proverb about give me not too much
and not too little.
And I'm just like, in my personal life,
I'm waiting for my ACH to clear so I can buy some more.
And I'm hoping God has a good plan for my life
because, you know, so for me, a little sideways action
is what I'm looking for.
Yeah, you know, it's true.
It could be dangerous.
We're happy that Ryan is being sanctified
even if his bank account coffers are not being filled.
If we see a pretty good dip,
everyone should know that at least one pastor
in Hawaii will be happy.
We'll blame him.
I like this.
I like having a faithfully praying for a dip.
I definitely like that we can have someone to blame.
That's good preparatory work there from our man in Oregon.
So, yeah, we got just a ton of stuff going on.
Now, again, there's probably a lot of people.
I mean, there's just tons of voices, right, in the Bitcoin space that we are grateful for.
Well-known folks who are friends of TGFB, friends of ours, Preston Pish.
You know, we've got Mark Moss.
We've got, I mean, Jeff Booth is an acquaintance.
You know, we are grateful for these guys.
somebody like Lynn Alden producing great content, just tons of friends of ours who are producing
tons of great content. And you're probably expecting to hear some of their names on this
program. There probably are some other names that you would never in a million years expect to see
on this program. And probably near the top of that list would be one, Udi Wertheimer.
Okay. Udi Wertheimer, he is of a number of famous things. He's just done a bunch of,
I can't remember what's the wizards, the taproot wizards, done a bunch of stuff. He's not like a
Bitcoin only guy. And yet he had this tweet yesterday that I meant to share and then it
didn't work called, this Bitcoin thesis will retire your bloodline. Okay. Now we don't need
to go read through this whole thing because it is long. But you should go find this. Go find Udi's,
his Twitter account. Here's basically what he says. Here's his thesis. He basically looks at
what happened with Dogecoin. And he basically says, I think that what happened with Dogecoin
is a harbinger of what's going to happen with Bitcoin, namely this. Early on, Dogecoin's a
complete joke. People were just, you know, thought it was hilarious. They accumulated massive
positions in these things. So quote unquote, doge whales, uh, had all, you know, gazillions of these
scam tokens. And then they had like this group of, um, you know, people, there was some interest.
And so the, the coin pumped, uh, they went up to like 10 X or something. And so then some of them,
some people sold some more people came in. And, uh, and so once this thing had pumped like 10 X,
They just were kind of, you're 100X, 20X, whatever.
You had a lot of these people who just basically said,
well, I mean, we've made a ton of money and then they sold.
And then there's a whole bunch of new people.
Elon starts tweeting about Doge.
A number of other people start tweeting about Doge.
Doge is one of like seven coins in 2022
or something that was on Robinhood.
And so then you had this whole nother wave of retail people
who just started buying Doge because it was,
the unit bias is real and they started,
They were able to buy gazillions of these things relative to the amount of Bitcoin that they were able to purchase, the amount of Ethereum and whatever you've got going on.
And so it ended up resulting in, I think, like a 200x or 2,000x, some insane thing.
And once it had pumped to these levels, you had a lot of these people who'd been holding since the beginning who were just like, this is insane.
They sold their entire positions, became super, super wealthy, you know, very quickly.
And they thought, boom, that's the end of it.
Well, the problem was that you now had all these new people who for them, it was the beginning.
And so they're holding lots of these things.
And so then it ended up being another huge pump up from there.
And so what Udi is talking about is the fact that something similar, he believes, is happening with Bitcoin,
which is you have a lot of these Bitcoin whales who've been holding since 2009, 2010, 2011, 12,
whatever it is, who have thousands of Bitcoin or tens of thousands of Bitcoin. And these people
have been unloading Bitcoin once we got to 100K and especially once we get to something like 120K.
For them, they're multi-billionaires. I mean, it's insane how much money they've got. And so
they're just in unload their position mode. Meanwhile, you have tons of, you know, Bitcoin,
these treasury companies, you have large companies like BlackRock, you have a whole bunch of just
normal businesses who are feeling the pressure, who are realizing that they're short Bitcoin,
and they are buying up like multiples of the daily issuance every day. They're just buying
up all the Bitcoin times, you know, times five, six of the daily issuance. There's so much demand
out there that it's not even funny. And so, so much of what's going on. So Udi is basically saying,
hey, we're watching the same thing happen in real time. People are thinking that, you know,
this is going to be the top. And he's just basically saying, no, I think that we're going
to cycle up. He's like, I think we're going to get to $450,000. And then if we get to then,
then you could see something similar happen where a new set of people start to sell off some of
their stuff. And you're going to have even more pressure from these massive institutions, massive
nations, and all of these things we're just going to be buying who have different time horizons and
who have basically effectively unlimited money to be able to buy this scarce asset. And so he's
just basically saying now is not the time for altcoins. Now is not the time for any of these
other things. They're all going to get left in the dust because the game right now is accumulate
Bitcoin. That is the game. It's always been the game, but now more than ever, it really is the
game. And so again, was not expecting Udi to be the voice of reason, but here we are. Udi,
he's not everything, even a broken clock is right twice a day. And Udi's been right about other
things in the past. So yeah, it shouldn't surprise me. It shouldn't surprise us completely, but I
just was really found this really compelling and uh yeah i think it's gonna get a lot crazier
before it gets less crazy yeah now it sounds like he's relating it in a way like it's gonna do the
same thing as doge overall go up and then pop well no yeah he's he's not saying i don't think
he's saying that he's just saying uh yeah i mean he i don't think he's saying that he's basically
saying hey this thing is gonna keep going up it's gonna be crazy um yeah again pardon we the our
Kids at home won't be able to read this, but basically we, which is good.
So he basically says Bitcoin is bigger than Dogecoin.
So maybe we don't see a 10X straight away.
But as I said before, I have a high degree of confidence that we'll see $400,000 by the
end of the year.
And this target might be too conservative, just given the nature of things that are going
on.
And then again, you might see a correction, like that's possible, but it's also very,
very possible that that correction like doesn't happen because by that point, as it gets to that
point, like there's a certain point at which like right now you still have the vast majority of
companies on the stock exchange, the vast majority of countries who have sovereign wealth funds and
all these things, they still don't own any big, they're still short. They're still, they still
don't have any positions. And, and for them, if you're talking about a nation, that's hundreds of
billions of dollars or tens of billions of dollars in the case of even these small countries,
you're still talking massive amounts of money that could pour in to buy Bitcoin. And again,
that doesn't even count the United States who has at least nominally said that they're going to start
accumulating Bitcoin, as far as we know, have not been buying Bitcoin. And so you're just really,
I mean, and they have, I mean, really have unlimited money that has more purchasing power
than anything else out there.
And so I just think things are going to get insane.
And yeah, I'm not at all convinced
that this is not a super cycle,
that we're going to see another correction.
I'm not at all convinced that that's the case.
Yeah, and you also have the financial advisors
that are finally capitulating.
I think one friend of ours said that,
I think we said this a few episodes ago,
But, you know, the career risk is going to be not recommending at least a small, you know, a small investment into Bitcoin to clients by the end of the summer or this fall versus it was the career risk the other way up until this point.
And that's significant because that's a huge percentage of the wealth, you know, in the United States.
Yeah.
And then you got, yeah, Wall Street short.
Most of Wall Street short.
all the pension funds
government
yeah
I agree
Elon short
once you start to wake up to the reality
once these guys
it takes time
these guys are all busy
all these governments are busy
the average politician in the United States
spends 50% of their time on the phone
trying to raise money
so they're spending half their time
trying just to raise money to be elected again.
And the other half of the time,
they're trying to get stuff done on Capitol Hill.
All of these businesses are trying to deal
with tariff realities.
They're trying to deal with just inflation realities.
They're sitting here trying to deal with all these things
and just day-to-day things.
And so it takes time for them to reconcile
with the need to spend the time and the resources
and the energy to understand Bitcoin,
much less to start allocating capital to it.
And so again, we're just now hitting this point
for, I mean, we're more than what, 2% of, you know,
we're more than 2% of companies and nations
are considering or actually accumulating Bitcoin.
We are just still, I mean, absurdly early.
Yeah, but again, at least the urgency is there
for a lot of these people.
I think they're starting to wake up
to how late it is for them.
I had a buddy of mine message me the other day
and we were talking a little bit about, you know,
at a certain point at a certain price point if you have you know and this is gonna be different
for everyone but it's like your age and also the amount of bitcoin you have at a certain point like
uh you're a little bit less price sensitive to like when you sell that because life is short
right yep and there's a lot of there's a lot of people that have been in i mean bitcoin's been
around for almost 16 years now um that means that a lot of the early bitcoiners have been in for a
long time yeah and at 116 120 000 that's a i mean that that is a a huge amount of wealth that yeah
i mean why not cash out a bunch of it and just live you know um yeah these people aren't going
to sell all their bitcoin but they'll sell a bunch and like yeah yeah so it's and and honestly
that's going to happen from here on out like you're there's going to be different waves of
Bitcoiners that are going to, you know, they'll, they'll cash in.
I saw one yesterday that was like 30,000, a $32,000 position that sold for like 9.2 billion
or something like that. And it was on the blockchain, you know, and, um, you know, not
again, I might lose my maxi card again, but I would probably do it too. Uh, some, some of it,
because if you're, if you're in that position, uh, I'm, I'm a believer, it's not going to get
hacked. It's not going to get, uh, what do you call this? That the quantum mechanic is not going
to get any of that stuff, but would I take my, um, my 10 generation money and bet all my 10
generations and bet all of it on it. No, I wouldn't do that. Cause I'm not even technical
enough to have a hundred percent certainty. So if I was in their shoes and I had everything,
and if there's a 1% chance, that's way too high. 1% is way too high. You know?
And again, that's the reality.
I mean, these guys, I mean, somebody yesterday sold 80,000 Bitcoin.
Like, I mean, that's absurd.
That means they definitely didn't just sell all their Bitcoin.
They probably just sold maybe maximum half.
Probably likely less than that.
And so you're just, I mean, it's absurd.
It's absurd.
So he just became a billionaire.
Congratulations.
You just became, what is that?
Is it 2 billion?
I can't remember what it is.
However many billion it is.
You just became a billionaire yesterday.
Now, again, you got a big tax bill.
you got a bunch of other stuff. But I mean, these guys have, it's absurd how much money,
and you absolutely should be taking some off the table to do things, like, especially if you're a
Christian, like you should be taking some off to live, you should be taking some off to, you know,
give to charities, give to, you know, we have a number of nonprofits represented, you know,
Christian Bitcoin nonprofits represented on this call. And so I just think it's one of these things
where the reality of the amount of money
and, yeah, taking some off the table to just, again,
not even lock in some gains, but it's just like, hey,
I have needs and can do a lot of good things right now with this money.
I know a family on Maui that has like 90 acres
right where Jaws Surflet is.
And, you know, if you get land like that and he's got multiple families living there and he's got his own family living there and if you raise some cows, you probably pay zero taxes.
And so as much as you want to hate on real estate, this is probably not the direction where our talk today is going.
But, yeah, you would diversify at some level, you know, in case space aliens come and like crack Bitcoin or something like that, you know.
Yeah. Again, it's about just diversifying.
uh i mean just yeah just take it i mean just the reality is yeah i mean if i had 10 000 bitcoin i
would be i would definitely be selling some right now because i mean i don't own a how i don't own
a home i don't know how like i'm just kind of like in in between things and so again and then
on top of that like there's if there's other things i mean money exists for a purpose money
exists to be used uh it doesn't always exist to just sit there and and be potential uh this this
limitless, you know, boundless potential of what you could do. You should be actively thinking
about, you know, what would it, you know, what can I do with this? You know, what should I be doing?
You know, you, you should be thinking through what it would take for you to,
what you would want to do with the amount of purchasing power, you know, that God entrusts
to you. You spark something in me that might relate to our other stuff too. And it's, it's,
as a Christian, as a husband, father, everything like that. I feel like there's in some,
parts of the Bitcoin world a kind of anxiety over like, this is the one chance in my lifetime.
There not going to be another chance This is the one chance to get a hold of something which will give me generational wealth And what I see that I would encourage people not to have is this idea like I can never build something that great I can never
earn any more money doing anything other than Bitcoin. If I miss this chance, that's it for me.
I'm just going to be a wage earner as the dollar dies. And I just want to encourage people,
buy Bitcoin and realize that if you have your life ahead of you, it's a life of
service and productivity and building and family and all these other things.
And to kind of strike that balance, you know, have the conviction, but your life is not,
this is not like your one chance to do something. You know, this is a, this is a once in a lifetime,
once in a multiple lifetime, maybe chance to catch onto something when it's at that 2% rate
you talked about Jordan, but, um, your life does not consist of what time you got on the train.
Yeah. I think, I think the best way, cause like on the one hand, yes, this is a once in a lifetime
opportunity. And at the same time, there's, there's something that's more important and like,
there's other things that are more important. And so it's the same thing of like, it's the same,
same idea of where Jesus says, let those who, um, let those who have husbands or wives live as though
they had no wives. It's like, there's this real sense in which we're supposed to, like, we're
supposed to be all in and yet, you know, have an open hand. Like, both of these things are true.
You're supposed to, you know, you're supposed to work and, you know, work under the Lord and work
hard and then also just work with the realization that you might die tomorrow. And so there's this
two sides of the coin that you really need in order to, you know, be living the way that God,
wants you to live. Life is complex and it's designed to be lived in reliance upon the Lord.
I think that's kind of what we're getting at is loving and serving your neighbor and loving and
serving God has to happen on two time horizons. It has to happen right now and it has to happen
with a view towards the future. That's what faithful stewardship looks like. Uh, and so,
uh, yeah, I, I think that, yeah, this is, it's going to get, it's going to get crazier and we
should be, you know, actively thinking about, uh, you know, what, what to do and what we're going to
do when, when, as it does continue to get crazier. Yeah. The other, the other side of this. Okay. So,
so Udi is basically saying, man, you know, all of these companies, all of these nations,
they're buying Bitcoin. These things are all just going nuts. And we need to be, you should be ready,
you should be buying Bitcoin. We have another, it's not a different perspective. I would say it's
along the same lines. This is from John Ratliff. I believe this is Ryan, you shared this. John
Ratliff says this, I would like to get bunk. What'd you think? I said my neighbor. He's like
about 20 minutes for me now. So I would like to debunk the myth that retail Bitcoin investors are
ever going to come back. I keep seeing people ask, when will retail wake up to this bull run,
Bitcoin bull run? They're missing the point. Retail isn't coming back. It's been priced out
at roughly $120,000 per coin. Owning a whole Bitcoin is beyond most budgets and the chance
to scoop one up at $10 is long gone. Retail demand was always fueled by stories of tiny
stakes turning into fortunes. That era is over. Even if Bitcoin hits a million dollars, that's
only 8x from here. So a $1 buy nets $8. Nice, but hardly life-changing. No wonder small investors
are chasing meme coins and alts, hoping to double in weeks instead of years. True retail adoption
won't come from spot exchanges. It will arrive when 401ks, IRAs, and index funds allocate to
Bitcoin. That shift is already underway. Corporations, hedge funds, and governments are
stacking sats main street will tag along through their plan sponsors for those uh for those of us
who got in early and held there will be more upside ahead but don't expect a flood of new
retail buyers on coinbase anytime soon guys what do you think you agree with ratliff you think he's
full of it what do you what are your thoughts yeah i mean it's it's kind of sad uh but there's
yeah there's a lot of truth to it uh i've seen some high net worth retail that has kind of been
on the sidelines watching this and has been you know has been told bitcoin is bad for
anywhere from five to seven years since it's been on people's radar a little bit more and i've had
i've had several individuals reach out to me to find out more like we're going to get coffee
things like that so um high net worth retail that is actively thinking about investments and
wrestling kind of like they're willing to put in the work because they view themselves as like
responsible investors they're not going like they're actually starting to come on board now
yeah um i think that's going to only increase especially as the financial advisors start
giving their blessing um but yeah i like the smaller smaller retail which is just your average
person it's it's really sad people are strapped i mean you can look at you know look at the credit
card balance um with the amount of credit card debt it's like all-time high right now people are
our cost of living is extremely expensive um inflation is still high still going up uh food's
super expensive wages haven't kept up with inflation at all they never do so normal people
are tapped out and like we were talking before we went on air uh those people aren't like
those people most people like us i would say the three of us too like we weren't trained to like
be super wise with our money when we were young and uh so sadly the people that need to be
investing the most aren't even thinking about it they're literally just trying to survive
let alone try to get ahead for tomorrow.
And it's really sad.
I mean, I've had so many conversations
where people just, you know,
it's not like despair, but it's just like,
yeah, it's not even in your consciousness.
And I've been there myself where it's like,
okay, maybe it's paycheck to paycheck,
but it's the idea like if my brakes go out on my car,
that's everything.
and I might be paying, I might pay for it on credit card for the repair. You know what I mean?
So in that case, like, okay, maybe I have a thousand bucks, but I'm not just going to
shove that into Bitcoin because, um, life happens. And so it's not even, um, it's kind of a, it's a
lack of vision in one sense, but it's not even your fault. It's like living day to day, week to
week is a whole mindset. And then if you hear people like us come in and there's levels, there's
multiple levels higher than, you know, our age and our, and our, I, I referred once to a mutual
friend of ours as like being in his investor arc part of his journey. Right. And I'm not in my
investor arc. I'm still in my working arc, but if you can get there, great for you, but it just
sounds like, uh, the teacher from, uh, peanuts, you know, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah.
Like, well, I can't, I can't invest. So good for you. You know what I mean? Yeah. Uh, I, I,
I like the quote that Wealth Squad Chris, I followed him for a number of years on X.
He says, make money, buy Bitcoin.
That's a real simple way of thinking about it, that even if you're late, even if you're
late five years from now, the idea is this is a revolution away from fiat, which is losing
whatever they say, what you guys would probably say like 8% on a decent year, 5%, 8%, whatever
it might be.
that's what you're losing so even if you're late late you should not have it in a checking account
you should not have it in a savings account you should have it in bitcoin so that's that maybe
that's part of the that's part of it to um you know to to get through your head is this is what
you should be saving and no matter when you get to it yeah and i would i would encourage some of
the conversations i've had with my kids because it's all of a sudden bitcoin's at 120 000 i'm like
okay what are my kids thinking about like their little brains are like well i can't obviously
they're like i can't how can they get 120 000 to to buy a bitcoin and i've just encouraged them like
look out 20 years bitcoin could be up 200x like legitimately 200x yep from here so just pick an
amount if it's a hundred dollars like times it by 200 and and like be are you willing to sacrifice
a short-term pleasure or like not do something or is there something you could sell like i would say
my just just start buying a little bit and and saving it for the future and it's gonna i mean
200x is significant yeah um and again pounds and it's like good behavior compounds we we we uh
rightfully rag on dave ramsey quite a bit but if you combined dave ramsey with accumulating bitcoin
yes if you accumulated like debt snowball and then put your you know like somebody needs to
we should do this like this is what we should do is like put together put together like you know
we shouldn't even talk about this but because i really think they're gonna get my blood pressure
is going up right now but yeah i wrote a blog post in 2013 did you really i wrote a blog post
explaining why i did not invest in bitcoin when it was 13 each and it was literally because of
Dave Ramsey and his debt snowball and that you were, and how you weren't supposed to do any
investing until all your debt was gone. And like, and then it blew up and went up to a thousand.
And then I went, I threw, went through my first several cycles of where, oh, I've just completely
missed it and blah, blah, blah. Uh, so all that to say, if you have a little bit of debt,
still buy some Bitcoin because it's a positive, it's a positive behavior to like, because all of
a sudden you're going to see the fruit of you've saved something and then it grew in value. And
then you can add more to it even while you're still paying off your debt. I can testify that
it's changed my behavior already because, and I'm trying to think what the term is, but people are
talking about for a business, this is what you have to beat now. There's a term for that.
The hurdle rate. Yeah. This is your new hurdle rate. So I'll give you an example in my life.
I have a skid steer that I have use of and I've thought to myself, maybe I'll make some money
using this too. And it belongs to another entity, but I've made an arrangement. And I was like,
I'll buy a trailer.
If I buy a trailer, put the word out there,
I can make a good hourly, spend time with my kids.
And I haven't bought a trailer, guys.
I haven't bought a trailer because I'm like,
you know, normal thinking,
let's say I get a trailer for $10,000.
Worst case scenario, I can sell it used for $8,000.
Give it a paint job.
Sell it used for $8,000 later.
Now, the hurdle rate is, wait, wait, wait, just a second.
$10,000 and shout out to Ryan's son's
slash Marty Bentz opportunity cost,
opportunity cost that shows you what everything costs in Bitcoin.
I'm not going to do it right now.
I'm waiting, even though I could make some income.
So having that hurdle rate in your mind,
especially in the next few years has changed my behavior.
And it's, it's continuing to make me think,
what investments am I going to make?
And even income wise,
what am I going to try to work on that's going to do better than if I just
tried to plow things into Bitcoin?
And, you know, on the topic of the Dave Ramsey, maybe I won't go into too much detail, but I personally took out a line of credit I had available a couple of days ago.
And I made myself a spreadsheet where I'm tracking every single day how much interest has accrued and every single purchase.
And it's automatically calculating for me based on the Bitcoin price, how it compares to the interest that I'm accruing on that specific loan.
Yep. So, uh, you know, that's, that's, I'll share it if anybody wants it, but it was something for
myself to go. I know every single day I'm, it's like $17 or something like that, that I'm paying
an interest. That's a lot. I'm going to do it for at least three months and see what the results are.
But, um, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm conscious. I'm aware I'm sober minded that I'm going to do it for
three months and that's like a $1,500 bet. Yeah. You know, just interest. And I'm going to assess
after that, I'm pretty sure I'll be, uh, happy. Yeah. Again, like that, that's the type of thing
where again, what the kind of what, what Dave Ramsey is basically saying is like Dave Ramsey's
like all my listeners are drug addicts. Right. And so it's like, so if you're a drug addict,
you shouldn't be like, you shouldn't take, you shouldn't be using any nicotine. You shouldn't
be using any kind of, or if like, if you're morbidly obese, you shouldn't be consuming
any donuts. Like this is like, it's just setting you on a path. And yet for like the average person,
like, okay, well, what if I'm not morbidly obese? What if I'm not a drug addict? Like, can I,
can I drink a, you know, can I drink a beer or can I, you know, have like a glass of wine? It's
like, yeah, you like, I mean, that's like, those are, those are defensible things. Like the question
is, do you, do you have self-control? And so if you have self-control, like you have to answer it,
you have to know yourself. If you have self-control, then like, okay, then yeah, some of these,
things, especially, again, this is, I'm speaking at both sides of my mouth a little bit because
like the scriptures, again, are super clear. Oh, no man, anything. Like that, that is,
that is a Bible verse. That is a, a one that we have love. Yeah, exactly. Oh, no man, anything
except to love one another. Exactly. And, and yet, like, again, this is something that we can,
we can talk about is again, even like biblically speaking, there are, there are,
and we could go through a tons of examples at some point. We just need to go over this one
piece that I wrote, but just basically, you know, you have something like you look at,
I mean, you just have things where the scriptures will say something, then it'll say the exact
opposite in other, or it'll give you an example of somebody living the exact opposite of what this,
you know, what this council says in one part of the Bible. And the reality is like context matters,
like it really does matter. And so I'm super sympathetic to, you know, to people. And I think
there's, I think there's wisdom in, in like looking at strategically, uh, you know, wise is
serpents action that basically looks at and understands the situation that we're in, that
literally all money is debt. Like all of our money is debt. And so trying to basically, and, and
understand that because it's debt, you're just a hundred percent being stolen from at all times.
Like any debt that's taken out is stealing purchasing power. And so like, I do think there
is like strategic, you know, there's a strategic warrant to, to be looking and thinking about that
and, and just, you know, taking that, taking that seriously of just like, Hey, you know,
this is one of these things where, you know, I should, should I, and as at least asking the
question, like, you know, should I be, it doesn't make, is it wise for me to strategically take out
some debt either from, you know, uh, yeah. And it just depends on what, what can you, whether it's
a, what's it, what's it called? Not a mortgage, but like where you take money out of your
home equity, like something like that. Like there's, there's strategic advantage, uh, taking,
you know, looking at the, the time that we're in looking at, you know, where Bitcoin's at.
And then, but again, not being, the other important thing is not being crazy, like being,
you know, taking, not taking the point, not having debt to the point where, oh, you're going to get
wrecked if Bitcoin doesn't absolutely act like a home run for the next two years or whatever.
and so again I think that's at least a conversation that you know people should should be having be
thinking about while still asking yourself and looking at your own situation and being honest
with yourself because I think a lot of people it's like the people who need to hear one thing
want to hear the other thing yeah they want they're like oh I want to you know do this
that's why that's why the Lord is the best teacher in the universe and beyond actually and
his way of teaching is
mimicked by
Yoda and any other
Bruce Lee and any other great teacher.
You have him say, on the one hand, there's
this. On the other hand,
there's this. And you're supposed to work
it out. And I would challenge anyone who
thinks the Bible is full of contradictions that
about 97% of what
you think are contradictions are just this type
of pedagogy, this type of teaching.
A lot of times it'll be Moses, like
one paragraph, next paragraph.
The Bible contradicts itself. No.
It's, uh, he's laying the field out for you to understand, you know?
Yep.
And, um, you don't, you don't need to say everything at all times.
That's right.
Like you can, you can say a true thing that is incomplete.
Like you don't like, and I had a tweet about this the other day.
I should have shared it, but it's basically like modern, this is, this is worthy of its
own episodes.
Like modern Christians, we feel like if we are not saying all of the truth at any given
time we're not telling the truth or we're being unfaithful or something. And it's just like,
guys, then Jesus is guilty. Like if that's the case, then Jesus is guilty because Jesus all the
time communicates in ways that are purposefully not as clear as he could be. You know, like he
does this a lot. And again, so much of Proverbs is it's timely wisdom and wisdom needs context.
needs a situation in order to be applied in. And so again, there's times where it's like,
oh, I'm in this situation. Okay, well then you need to hear this. So much of the way that Jesus
responds to people depends on what situation they're in. Jesus looks at the rich young ruler
and says to the rich young ruler, hey, sell everything and give to the poor. You only lack
one thing. What must you do to be pleasing? You only lack one thing and that's to sell everything
and give to the poor. And it says the man went away sorrowful because he was very rich. Jesus
doesn't look at anybody else or almost anybody else and say to them, hey, in order to be, in order
to, you know, enter into my kingdom, you have to sell everything. In fact, in fact, let me interrupt
you there. In fact, Judas says the same thing. Yeah. Judas says that she shouldn't have broken
the bottle of man on your feet because he should have sold it and gave all the money to the poor.
Exactly And Jesus Jesus rebukes communist Judas Correct Tells him actually the poor you will always have with you and you can always give to them So go ahead and give to them So talk about by the way I just have to throw in I just preached this two days ago Sunday
Jesus goes, this is Luke 12, right before the one you quoted.
He goes, don't fear God, don't fear man, because God can both kill you and throw you into hell.
Yeah.
Dramatic pause.
Yeah.
Very next, very, very, very next paragraph.
Don't fear.
God cares about you much more than any other of the sparrows.
He knows every sparrow.
He knows every hair on your head.
And you are of much more value to him than any of the sparrows, right?
He sees all.
And so imagine those are two paragraphs right next to each other.
Fear.
Fear God because he can throw you into hell.
Don't be disturbed, my friends.
God cares about you more than the sparrows.
Yeah.
That's the kind of teacher the Lord is.
Exactly.
And he's a teacher that requires you to think.
Like he's trying to draw, like God is trying to draw out of us.
He's trying to get us to get away from this animalistic, reflexive thinking.
This is not how God works.
Like he wants you.
He doesn't just, he wants to get at who you are.
He wants to transform who you are.
He's not content to just manipulate you into getting a certain outcome.
like he doesn't value just the outcomes no he values getting you in the in the process
like this is a really important thing so can i can i riff on that when it comes to the the
economy part you were talking about go for it so something comes to my mind you know
steel manning the bad system to steel man the system that we have the fiat system
i think the idea is we want to keep everyone productive we don't want money to sit we want
to keep it liquid. So if you have money and you're wealthy, you're investing it back in a business.
You're investing it in a bank so the bank can lend out to other people. You're investing in
the stock market. We don't want people sitting on money. We want people working hard and keeping the
stuff going. That's the best I can do to steel man it. But in order to affect that,
in order to motivate you, what they're doing is stealing your money all the time. So you have to
keep making more, more, more, more, and more and increasing so-called GDP. And the idea,
So that's the steel man for our system that ultimately is not godly, ultimately is taking what you've earned and redistributing it like Judas.
And by the way, about Judas, it said he didn't say this because he cared about the poor.
This is what John records.
He did so because he had his hand in the money bag and he helped himself to it whenever he wanted to.
And I can't think of anything better about modern politics than to what Judas, what John said about Judas.
having charge of the money bag, he helped himself to it whenever he wanted to. So he wanted to
redistribute it the way that he wanted. So now, sorry, I got back to the Bible a little, got back
to Judas, but that's the, that's the steel man for it. But, um, the reality is on a positive note,
I think, and you guys could push on me if you want. Um, imagine you're a VC, you know, like
venture capital in San Francisco, most of them fail. They already know that they know that you're
billionaire there, you're Peter Thiel or Naval or one of these guys. And, um, you know that it's
like, maybe it's 90%. I don't know the number. Someone knows. And you take, you take a round
of funding or you take a loan and the business fails. You don't owe a million dollars for seven
generations, all your kids and your grandkids and stuff, but that's how it was in the ancient world.
You know? And I remember, I know a Korean family locally who talked about moving here from,
from Korea. And it's like, that's still how it is in some other countries. You don't dip debt
because that debt doesn't go away. It goes to your kids. So some of the things, some of the
things in the Bible, um, uh, and by the way, in, in, at least in Israel, there was a time to recover
what you lost, right? It was a once every 49 years. And that has informed how the United States was
set up. So our country is based on, uh, rewarding risk takers and builders. And so if we understand
that it depends on your debt. Is your debt a partnership of some kind? Is your bank saying,
hey, we believe you're going to succeed, so here's $100,000 to start a business.
Look at the details. What is it that you've actually put on the line? Maybe it's a partnership,
and if you fail, it's like you both failed, and you both go back home and try again later.
Or maybe you did something that's going to hurt your generation. And that's the maturity and the
need to say, what am I actually doing here? Is this like an Old Testament Assyrian or Egyptian
loan that's in the old world, just going to follow you forever? Or you're going to become
an indentured servant. Your wife's going to become a slave in someone's house. That's the
kind of stuff that would happen back then. The founders of the USA made it so that's not how it
is now. So we need to all keep the same truths, but shift it into the place and time that we live.
there are still consequences today and some some people's wives do end up having to work
yeah and someone else's and those are all again those are all realities like that's that that's
all totally true and so again it really just comes down to you know looking at your different
situations and like looking at um yeah i just think that people are people are too quick and
again i think the the other big thing is was why are you doing what you're doing are you doing what
you're doing because you're afraid. Like this is frequently the most repeated command in scripture
hundreds of times is do not be afraid. People are warned or like, you know, just told, don't be
afraid because again, fear makes you do stupid things. It makes you clouds your thing. Correct.
Yes. You know, like they're, they're afraid of, I'm afraid that this is going to happen to me.
I'm afraid that this is going to happen to my, my family, or I'm afraid that. And so because I was
afraid I did something that I wouldn't do under normal circumstances. And so I stole or I did,
you know, whatever I took on too much debt or whatever it is. I think that, you know, you want
to, you want to be motivated. And so the question is, if it's not fear, well, then what is the thing
that ought to motivate you? And the scriptures have an answer for that, which is it, there's two
things that ought to motivate you positively. It's love for God and love for your neighbor.
And so again, that you, you ought to be thinking, okay, does this thing that I'm thinking about
doing, does it honor the Lord? Does it, does it love and serve my neighbor or does it prey upon
my neighbor? Uh, and so, and does it, and some of your neighbor can be your wife. It could be your
kids. It could be, you know, your grandkids. It could be, uh, you know, there's other people around
you. And, and so again, like there, there can be some complexity there. Like that, that's a reality.
And so like there, there, there is room within God's economy. God has room for our consciences.
You know, like there's the number of passages where it talks about, you know, it says talking
about parenting. It says, we all had fathers who disciplined us as it seemed good to them.
He's basically saying, listen, we all had parents who were just, and even if this isn't true in the
most complete sense, they were doing their best. And some of them, within these parents who were
doing their best, there might be some of those parents who did completely opposite things.
They were motivated by love for you and a love for the Lord and a desire to honor him and parent
you well. And they might've done things that were completely the opposite, polar opposite.
And yet, like, listen, that's, that's what it's like to live in the world. There's another verse
where it talks about, you know, do your best to, to try to discern what the will of the Lord is.
That means that you're not always going to, like what God's will is, is not always going to be
clear. It's not always, it could be, it could not always be clear because of some lack of
information on your part. It could be for, because of some weakness on your part. It could be for a
hundred different reasons. And so, yeah, like we, this is what we want to do. We want to surrender
these things. We want to bring them to the Lord and just ask him like, Lord, you know, please help
me to figure out what to do. Please, you know, bring to mind places in your, in your, in your
word. Help me to look online. If you're sitting there, you know, you're looking like we have tons
of resources available to us in terms of, you know, what does the scripture say about these
kinds of things? And so I think all of these are, you know, there's wisdom in all of these places.
I had a conversation like a couple of days ago with someone, another Christian about this. And
And I made the point, I don't think the Lord really wants us to know his eternal will almost ever, meaning for our life, not his eternal will in Christ and stuff.
And here's the paradigm I think would be helpful is what is the ultimate eternal goal?
And the eternal goal for us is that we're going to be like Christ himself.
And so the idea that I want to hear a message, and that's not what you said, Jordan.
I'm not putting that in your mouth.
I want to hear a message from God.
I want to have direction from God.
I want to have specific.
Do I go left?
Do I go right?
I do think God sometimes does that.
You know, in the New Testament, Paul is trying to go into Asia to preach and an angel stops
him or something happens.
I don't even know if it describes what happened.
He couldn't go into Asia.
Okay.
Well, that wasn't the thing for that time.
But the majority of the time it's saying we considered what would be best.
We made a decision.
We went here.
These brothers wrote a letter to us.
We decided to go visit them.
We decided to backtrack and go the way that we came.
And I think that in the positive paradigm for Christians today is he wants to make you more like Christ.
And that means making godly decisions based on what's going on with you.
To bolster my argument, I'll also say, you know, look at the parables.
He wants you to manage well.
He says that if you manage his resources, the talents well, then he's going to put you over cities as a governor, basically.
They call it a judge, but it's like a mayor, governor.
What in the world does that mean?
That is crazy.
That has something to do with the eternal state.
It's not about primarily receiving messages about, do I go to the left or do I go to the right?
It's about eliminating things that'd be unwise, unholy, foolish.
You eliminate all those things and then you try to make a good decision with prayer and say, Lord.
And that's very, very, very much important in my life now because I'm trying to make big changes.
Yep.
And I'm not, I'm praying for God to close and open doors, but ultimately I do think he wants me to try to think like his son and be like his son and not mainly look for that supernatural, you know, message per se.
I think a woman, he, go ahead, Ryan.
Yeah, go ahead.
No, I was just going to say, no, and it's, and yeah, I think God in his wisdom, he knows our frame and he didn't create us to be like a single point of failure.
I mean, ultimately we are responsible for all our decisions, but like for us men, for example, he's given us a wife.
So like when we, when we're on the top of a fence about to make a bad decision, like our wives save us often.
Right.
Yep.
And, but also sometimes even our kids.
Yep.
but also the elders and pastors at our churches and our friends, you know?
And so there's like back up, back up, back up, back up.
And like, ultimately we need to be walking in humility and yeah.
And use the people that God's put in our life.
Like, man, if there's like one word for anybody out there that's still wrestling
with any of the things that we're talking about, it's just like, dude,
stay humble, like, and be willing to learn from others.
uh yeah like seriously like it's it's one of those things that man it's pride kills but it also man
it also makes life so much more difficult yeah like we we miss out on so much of god's blessing
i'm not just talking financially like oh you need to humble yourself and learn about bitcoin but
it's like it's humble yourself and learn about like all the the areas of weaknesses in our lives
like we're so prone to not want to receive counsel and, uh, or receive words during sermons and,
or, uh, take things personally when we're reading the scriptures. Um,
What you just said would solve the, the, uh, debt issue too, because if you're going to do
something significant, you know, with taking on a project or debt and you haven't shared it with
someone who is, um, your brother, your, who, you know, would tell you what they think, you know,
yeah can't be a guest man uh if you haven't shared that and you haven't asked about that
and especially if you're younger or you know less um experienced in that kind of stuff then
then you probably should uh head over to uh Dave Ramsey's education and just stick with that
you know but if you're if you if you're going to be humble like what you said Ryan
and you know bring bring one two three friends whatever it might be and just say I'm gonna do
this. Guys, hit me back if you think I'm stupid. It's one of the best arguments for Bitcoin. It's
one of the things that I'm most grateful about with Bitcoin is because right now, up until Bitcoin
existed, and I guess you could say this to a degree about gold, but you've got people who are
like, listen, if I don't take out a humongous loan, I can't buy a house. If I don't take on
a lot of debt. I can't go to college. And so, and I won't be able to have this thing in the future.
And, and there's, there actually is a truthfulness to that, to a degree. And I think to deny that it
exists altogether is just not, it's just, you're fooling yourself. Like, so the fact that a, that
a culture or a nation or whatever embraces and like institutionalizes something that God tells
you not to, like you, you live in this upside down world where you actually are suffering
if you don't, if you don't do that.
And so the really cool thing about Bitcoin is you're buying Bitcoin and you're, you're,
you know, you're just taking the thing that you have and, and you just buy Bitcoin with
it.
And then the Bitcoin goes up in value.
And so the Bitcoin is like giving you, like you're getting the return from the Bitcoin
without having to take this illicit risk of, of assuming debt.
and I think it's like,
I just think about it all the time.
I'm like, God,
if the only reason you gave Bitcoin to the world
was so that I could get a return on investment
in a way that keeps my conscience clean,
I'll take it.
I'm so grateful for it
because like I,
that's one of the reasons,
like I don't,
again,
I don't think it's wrong for,
you know,
there's people,
I know tons of people
who have mortgages through banks
and like I don't think that,
again,
the Lord knows,
like I'm not trying to worry about it,
but like I would just,
I don't want to go into debt.
Like I would just,
I would just rather not have to do it. And, and like with Bitcoin, it's a way that you,
you know, it's a way that you can do it. At least, at least going that through like a traditional
route. Like if I think taken, I would, I'd be willing to like take loans from, you know,
family or something like that. Because again, this is a, this is a God ordained entity. This
is a God ordained thing where, you know, God has ordained, like a godly man leaves an inheritance
to his children's children. And part of that inheritance can be given before he's dead in
the form of a loan or in the form of whatever. Like, I think there's a God has ordained ways
for these things to happen. And, and again, I, I just thank God for Bitcoin that, you know,
Bitcoin is one of these things that allows you to get some of the benefits that God has intended,
uh, the, you know, intended the world to operate under, uh, which is scarce money is this thing
that God has ordained, uh, without having, so you can get, you can just, we're proving the
truthfulness and the reliability of things that God has said. I just love that. Give them, give
me that all day long. I'm super grateful for it. Dude, it's, amen. Thank God for Bitcoin. Like,
it's, uh, the, the system that our culture and our country has created is like a sleazy,
slimy carnival of games of like, and you're, and you're just like, dude, that, like, I just
remember growing up and I was like, uh, what was the purpose of education? None of my peers knew,
like no like we didn't know what the purpose of education was except for it was for to get into a
good college like why do you get good so you can get into a good college why do you get into a good
college oh because you can get a good job and it's just like it just felt so off and like it's like
really like that that's it and nobody even knew why and uh anyways and then you're like and then
And at the time, like, I knew like a hundredth of what I know now of like why everything was broken.
It's just, it's absolutely insane.
And I remember, I think it was like 2012, feeling so, so like overwhelmed.
And like, it was like despondent because I really started, my eyes had started, thanks to Ron Paul,
my eyes had been opened to how broken our government was, our money was, like the military industrial complex.
You're like, dude, these systems are so massive and we're still suffering under them today.
But there was no way to like, in a sense, there was, you could rebel and opt out, but it was like really, really difficult.
Like you had to, it was every person for themselves to like create, you know.
Yeah.
And like, you know what I mean?
Create.
Yeah.
Like you can, you can get, I mean, there was gold.
Like I'm sure we've got maybe one gold bug listening.
I'm like, yeah, you did have gold and like gold still gives you like inflation adjusted returns.
It just, it takes years for these gap ups to happen, but they do, you know, they do happen.
So like, again, it's not like you had no recourse.
And in fact, like that's part of the way that Gary North, I found out, funded his entire
thing was he started buying gold and then like he was buying it early seventies or something
and just made an absolute ton of money to the, to the effect that he was able just to
spend his life writing all these books.
He didn't ever, at least I don't know about ever, but I think for most of his, the latter
years of his life, he didn't have to work a normal job because he had invested in gold and gold has
gapped up and performed. So the idea was, so like, we're actually like, we're, I mean, in terms of
like, if you, if you are buying Bitcoin and you're Bitcoin, you have a decent amount of Bitcoin,
like it's something that could potentially, you know, free you up down the road to be able to do
things and serve, you know, people and communicate some of these, these ideas, you know, to people
around you. So, man, there's so much more we could say on that front and hopefully will at some point.
I do want to move into let see here who we got Okay So as we sit here and talk about hey listen thank God for Bitcoin We have plenty of people who you know what they can say thank God for Bitcoin They still don get Bitcoin They don understand the value proposition
And so they're still operating in the world as if Bitcoin didn't exist.
And that is not a fun thing to do.
So one of the tweets we have now, I will say this video does have a couple of inappropriate words.
so if you have kids in the room I just want to give you this five seconds four three two one to
turn this off you know just so your little kids don't hear it if you're hearing this in the podcast
we have a fantastic friend of mine named George thank you George who is going to be editing out
these words so that you you if you're listening to this after the fact you won't even know what
I'm talking about. So let's go ahead and play this and then we will hear what this millennial
has to say about the situation that she finds herself in. And I say this as a fellow millennial.
Here we go. Extremely high. So let me get this straight. There is an employment crisis,
a housing crisis, cost of living crisis, brink of war, a population crisis because no one's
having kids anymore. I wonder why. And yet we need to stop eating avocados and work a little bit
harder. I don't know anyone my age at this point isn't exploring some kind of side hustle or
investments. If you don't have an additional stream of income or investments and wealth
occurring somewhere, it is not possible anymore to even participate in society in the way that
we used to. Obviously, no one's having kids. No one can afford anything. Now in the UK,
once you start earning over 125,000 pounds a year, you make 29 pence. 29 pence on every pound
you make after that point. Less than one third on top of that you keep. And that's not including
costs and bills. That's just tax. You know, there's this whole thing of the Henry's, the high
earners, not rich yet groups of people, people that live in cities and are making like extremely
high salaries and in theory making a lot of money but basically have none because of how expensive
it is to live in the cities they're the only places you can get those kinds of salaries meanwhile
the billionaires are taking one pound one dollar salary so that they don't have to pay income tax
borrowing against the assets they already own because they bought up all the houses in this
country so we can't have them and then just being like you guys need to work harder what they're
also taking our jobs and giving them over to ai that is not smarter than a human yet
what is this generation supposed to do?
Like, I'm asking seriously,
what are we supposed to do?
Plus I can figure out 50 million different ways
to have side hustles.
There is no way to do this anymore.
Plus the fact that the UK especially
is wanting to tax us to the eyeballs on everything.
You can't even sell stuff online anymore.
Over a thousand pounds before you get taxed on it.
They want access to our bank account
so they can tax us on the interest over a certain rate.
for opting for lower salaries because eventually the tax outweighs it
and it's actually less lucrative to earn certain amounts of money.
Then you wonder why no one's having children.
I am one more person playing this on immigrants.
I'm going to lose my fucking mind.
Obviously enough wealth in the world because while most people are getting poorer,
we have the largest number of billionaires we've ever had.
my dad works with people who will spend 150 million dollars to ship their luxury car collections and
put them on show for fun let's let's pause this and go back a little bit there i just we should
have stopped this and then just kind of address them as they come because i forgot there's just
a lot here so for i mean we i'm going to give you guys obviously the floor here in a second to kind
of just what you know what would you say to this girl uh you know how would you think about this
the first thing that i would say is just i'm super sympathetic to this situation right like
Just super sympathetic. There's so much truth in what you're saying. The level of tax, the way that this works, how it affects the incentives.
I mean, again, taking lesser paying jobs because you know that if you were to take this higher paying job, you're going to pay more tax and then the net is going to be that you're not making as much.
It is so immoral and corrupt. It's not even funny. It's a deficient view of what government is. It's immoral from the word go.
Uh, I just am super sympathetic. And so I think, I think there's, there's a real sense in which,
yes, the problem is out there. Okay. It's out there with governments, it's out there in there,
in there, and that's true. And we need to figure out ways to solve that and fight that.
And that's something that actually needs to happen with real people. Like, boom, that's,
that's a hundred percent the case. Uh, and, and again, we, we need to do this, uh, at the same
time, like Bitcoin exists. Okay. This is another, another thing that you can do about this is you
just start saving in Bitcoin, uh, and, you know, opting out of the system, you know, choosing to
invest your, you know, your, your money in a different system that is outside of their control,
uh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's another thing. Uh, and then, I mean, again, this is not
going to do thing. I think these aren't to say that these are all equal in, in terms of level
of importance, but you know what? Those tattoos weren't cheap. Unless she's like a tattoo artist
and she's getting these for free. Like, I do think like there does come down to a level of
responsibility for, and like just taking an honest assessment of the expectations that we have,
you know, for our lives. Like, I don't think, again, I'm not trying to trivialize anything
that she's saying. I think that all of these things need to happen at the same time. And yeah,
I just think it's one of these things where there can be multiple things true at one time.
And then on top of this, yes, her thing where she's saying, what are we supposed to do?
How are we supposed to do this?
Unless we're doing multiple side hustles, unless we're doing one of these things.
I think that especially as a Christian, this is one of these things where you can just go,
you just take stock of the reality that you're in, where you just go, listen, Lord, you literally
every idea that anyone has ever had that's allowed them to make any kind of money has come from you.
And so, Lord, I'm sitting out here. I'm trying to figure out how do I operate in this world.
Please give me an idea. Even if I'm not going to be a millionaire, please give me an idea that
would help serve you and honor you and serve your people and I will provide for my needs.
And then just put your hand to the plow, work hard and go do it. I do think that's another
side of this. Like she's, she's saying, unless you're doing this as a gap, you'll then, yeah,
you need to price in doing that. You know, while, while you're also talking, creating incredibly
viral TikToks or whatever, you know, like this, that are, that are highlighting the, the illegitimacy
and, and immorality of the situation that you're in, you should also go out and be putting your
hand to the plow and working hard and doing these things. Because again, the Lord honors that he,
does honor working hard. And so I think there's a lot to be said here and a lot that we're not in
a situation where there is no hope. With the internet, with cell phones, we have more access
and ability to make money than people have ever had in a very real sense. And it is a matter of
just figuring it out and like working hard and, and again, confessing these problems that you're
having to people who are in your circle, like other people, again, she's got a dad who has a
friend who's moving however many millions, hundreds of millions of dollars for his car collection.
It's like, okay, well, what if we go and talk to him and just basically say, Hey,
here's the situation I'm in. Is there any way, is there any way that I can help serve your business
and make you money or whatever in the way that would, you know, allow me to earn this or something
approach or like a path to earning this that would allow me to do what I need to do. Like,
I think there's like, that's just one of these things, but I think there really are a lot of
people out there more than we're thinking who are in a different season of their life where they
actually are making a ton of money or they are, they have more wisdom and skills that can benefit
those, those of us who maybe are in a different season. I think there, there is a lot of paths
forward. And I get feeling, you know, blackpilled and, you know, hopeless. I, again, I get there
momentarily all the time, but at the same time, I think that, you know, there is a lot of,
there's a lot of, there is hope. First of all, God exists. There's also hope in, I mean,
Bitcoin exists. There's also hope in God made you to be a person to go out and exercise dominion
over the world and to like use these skills and abilities and strengths and all these things he's
given us he's done these things like we're not to be afraid of the world like this is not why god
created us and how he designed us to operate so uh i would i would just want to encourage this girl
too yeah and i'd also add that god didn't create this lady to bear this burden on her own oh what
What do you mean, Ryan?
I mean, so first of all, I mean, it should be her father should be bearing the majority of it.
And at the very least.
And then, I mean, she looks old enough to probably be married.
She's 30.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, yeah, I would just say her husband should be bearing that burden.
Yeah.
I mean, the world's a super tough place.
It's very broken.
Yeah, I completely agree with everything you're saying.
Um, yeah, I mean, I think we're, you know, I think we're going through a fourth turning.
I think things are really, really broken.
Uh, there's, I mean, I see it locally here.
Uh, inflation is continuing to go up.
It's outpacing wages.
So young people, like I would say everyone under the age of 55, 60, uh, are getting more
and more pinched.
every day, every week that goes by.
Life is getting more difficult.
And the money's broken.
So obviously, like, and most people don't understand that.
So they're just lashing out in despair.
Yeah, so it's going to create a lot of opportunities
for especially Bitcoiners who have spent
an almost irrational amount of time studying these things,
literally getting to the bottom of it.
Like what in the world is going on?
Why does everything seem so broken, especially when it comes to money?
And there's answers.
Like I think that's, but yeah.
And also, man, the older generation, again, they're not fixing the problems.
They're letting things fester.
And I mean, it's literally wrecking the younger generation.
And sadly, I mean, what's the average age of a member of the House and the Senate?
What's the average age of these politicians in our country?
What's the age of our president?
What is he, 81, 82?
Old.
Well, what was Biden?
Same thing.
These guys are like on their way to death.
Everything's broken.
They're not fixing anything for the younger generation.
So I just need, I know it's awkward to call out the older generation.
Like we're talking about our parents oftentimes, but it's broken and they're not even talking about it.
They're not talking about solutions because the way things are broken, they're not like the consequences aren't evenly distributed.
And I don't know.
I don't know what to say.
Like basically what we're living through is it's going to be a shameful legacy that's like in the history books in 100 years, when they're writing about this time,
they're going to say that the older generation did not care about these problems enough to even talk about them as we're going through them.
Because they weren't harmed as much as the younger generation.
And it's just like, it is the biggest, it's a huge bummer.
Because yeah, that is the consequence.
When life is so stinking difficult and people can barely pay their bills, they're not going to have four kids.
Like they weren't raised, like unless they were raised in a super godly home that they were to listen to, like, look, even if you're poor, trust the Lord.
Like that is the rarest situation because God does provide.
But everyone else is going to, you know, get stressed out about their, you know, their budget and they're not going to have any kids.
Yeah.
And that's what we're seeing.
So we're having population collapse.
And yeah, I don't know.
Like.
I'll jump in there and say, I'll try to bring a little light into it.
I was starting with a little darkness though.
um so if you're wondering if you should blame billionaires or the government um the final
answer is the government but it's in one sense they're the same entity in a sense but um but
it's the unholy combination of business and government that's actually the worst
uh it's an unholy creature created by the two who have their own purposes you know separately
So I think that the way that the Lord would look at the way society is set up is the magistrates' powers should be very specific. They should have the power of the sword, it even says in Romans 13. They essentially are someone holding a gun and they can put you in a cage or they can kill you or they can take away everything that you have. And what I just said isn't bad. That's actually what they're supposed to be able to do.
when it comes to what's the worst that a business billionaire can do is they can be greedy and trick
you into buying their stuff or and i'm i'm i'm keeping out like hiring a hitman to kill you or
something like that i'm just saying in general greed i'll take greed any day over someone
unrighteous with a gun to my head and that's and that's where the magistrate the government
ultimately in my view bears the responsibility for this as a small business person i could easily
pay $150,000 in payroll tax in a year and lose $50,000 that year in my business easily.
That's not even a question. So what we're giving is not based on what we actually took home.
It's based on they get theirs and maybe you don't get yours. And then did they use that wisely? Did
they use that for the purposes of what God thinks a magistrate should use them for? Protecting the
citizens, protecting the vulnerable, protecting the widow, the orphan, the alien, the legal alien.
Are they using what they take for those purposes? The answer is largely no. They're doing pet
projects with them. They love you and they have a wonderful plan for your life. But that's actually
supposed to be God. God loves you and has a wonderful plan for yourself, not the magistrate.
They're supposed to be saying, let's give you freedom to do what you're supposed to do,
what you want to do. So having said that, that's the sort of negative, but I want to say,
if you're wondering, yes, blame government, blame the people in power. And then secondly,
I have seen so many success stories too. And I remember a young man who Ryan would know,
15 years old i'm teaching him how to do carpentry we're working together
you know i can remember one particular time we're passing up plywood sheets i'm up on the rafters
and he's passing me plywood after plywood and finally i get to a point where i say okay
just just hang on for a bit i gotta nail these down right look down he's picking up trash
he wasn't waiting for me he's picking up trash he's cleaning up he's doing this thing he's
checking with me. Do you need anything else? Okay. He's gone on. He's probably 25 or something
like that now, maybe a little older. He's gone on to be building, he's building like luxury homes
on Kauai. Everywhere he goes, people are like, did you want work? Did you need any work? I ask
him myself, hey, for old time's sake, you want to come help me at my house? He has unlimited work
anywhere he goes he could land on the mainland he could go to canada he could
anywhere he shows up he has work he has land he built his mom a house when he was like 20
his mom lives in the house that he built he built himself a house behind that house
and that's one of several guys i know who are like that um and and so there is also like
with full respect to her position there's also a mindset where it's like take what you can like
look for opportunities to serve and i'll give one example from my life me and ryan used to work
together in a factory uh which was not easy by the way it was hot where we had full days where
it was literally just planing redwood and cedar which is cancer you know cancer causing by the
ways so the gas mask on we had the mask on the man i know i'm all day 90 humidity all hot you
know taking the mask off and like wiping the face down and splashing a little cold water on it you
know when you go to the bathroom and um i got married and praise god and on my honeymoon ryan
calls me before the boss to say hey matt um uh we both got laid off you know 2008 so 2008 crash
Now, even when we got laid off, our boss still tried to give me some work. I was shoveling manure, not exaggerating. I was at his ranch. He kept me on for a few more weeks, shoveling manure, taking down fencing, taking apart water catchment tanks.
You know, eventually he decided like there wasn't more work for him. So, so, um, I walked across the street from my house, which was about a house that was worth about $1,000. And I'm not joking. It was a 20 by 20 metal house that was like being inside of a Vietnamese torture, like a heat, you know, thing when you're during the day.
and I walk across the street because they're building and I have no building experience
except for factory and I said hey guys um I just shouted out you know hey guys I'm across the street
just got laid off if you ever need help with anything whatever it is just holler over I'd
love to work it looks like you guys are doing good but I'm available you know so a few weeks later
hey you want to come over here and pick up construction trash yes I'm 28 I wasn't 20 28
already.
And humble enough.
Stay humble.
So I go over there,
pick up the trash,
call me over the next day,
want to sand these beams, sand the beams.
You know, did a couple more things like that.
They said, hey, we're wrapping up.
I know another guy in the neighborhood.
10 bucks an hour.
Okay, 10.
10 bucks an hour, he's building a Bali house.
I know it's not much money.
I built the Bali house for 10 bucks an hour.
Yep.
Next thing you know, by the time that's coming clear,
someone else in the neighborhood,
hey, I'm building a house.
I think it was like 15.
Yep.
But guess what I learned?
50% raise, baby. Let's go.
50% raise. I learned how to build houses, electrical, plumbing, drywall, carpentry, roofing, photovoltaic.
And I got paid for it. That wasn't in school.
Next thing, I built my own house.
Yep.
Okay. So now that I own my own house, I had an opportunity to build a business and lose money for two or three years.
Yep.
So I could go on to where I'm at now.
Chew glass.
where i'm at now i could go on because i didn't have a mortgage i had no mortgage right yeah so
this is not the path this is not the path for everybody and that's not my point that's not my
point that that's what you have to do my point is there there's another way of looking at it which
is just like where can i serve where can i work yep and um i've seen it not it's not imaginary i've
seen it in many people's lives yep and so at the same time as someone like this this young lady is
having real things happen to her at the same time, guess what? No one can find good workers.
Yeah. Yeah. Ask any business. They can't find good workers. No one's going to pick up trash
when you say, just wait for me for a minute. I'm talking relatively speaking. So if you're the guy
that picks up trash when they told you just hang on, guess what they're going to say? They're going
to say to their circle of friends, hey, I know this guy. You need a pressure washing done. Okay.
yeah he'll help you hey guess what there was money in the house he didn't steal the money
you know um he hadn't he had opportunity he didn't do that he was honest he showed up he
wasn't drunk he wasn't high um he had his shoes on you know um now you've already now you're
already in the five percent yeah you know i mean the great dude the crazy i mean yeah it's like
it's like this can these things can be so straightforward when you're talking about other
people and then like not straightforward you're talking to yourself so like that's like i'm like
I need to hear this too. But like, I just think about the, these guys who literally just take a
lawnmower and go mow the worst lawn and they film themselves doing it. And then they just make,
they, I mean, these things get hundreds of thousands of like, it is staggering. The amount
of money that you can make just by just filming yourself doing menial labor. Like that, that's how
absurd the situation that we're in is in, is that you could, I mean, yeah, I just think, again, that,
that kind of work isn't going to be for everybody. But at the same time, like the other thing is
like, it doesn't have to be your eternal job. I think like, that's another thing is like,
they're like, we get this feeling like, Oh, I have to have this job forever. And it's like,
you really don't, you know, like you really don't like you can, I talk to people all the time who've
had like, Oh, I've had six jobs. You know, I've had six different jobs. There are people who
obviously have careers and that, that, that works. Um, and that's important. But again,
that's just not everybody's story and you can you know you can make things work even though even if
that's not your story you know yeah if you're literally if you're faithful and you work hard
like you will you'll never be without work and you can always you'll always naturally get better
work because if you're continuing to push yourself and you're always learning new skills um and yeah
you'll be in demand there's character before skills because if you have anyone can learn a
skill. The question is, are you going to show up when you said you did? Are you going to be honest
about money? And are you going to, um, are you going to not, you know, and that's the problem
too, with looking at wealthy people or business owners as some other class, right? In that case,
you're already looking at them like, um, with stink eye. You show up, you show up to work and
you got stink eye on, you know, and, um, and you could be saying, Hey, I could move those $150
million worth of stuff for only a hundred million dollars. Yeah. You know, and then, um, and that's
a slight exaggeration, but I'm just saying, uh, if your character is there, the skills can be taught.
And if your reputation is there, next level. Trust and reputation. Like this is, yeah, this is one of
these things where we, we live in a world that values the countable, like the, the things that
you can, you can, I can put down on a piece of paper, like, this is what I see, you know, and,
and we value those things. And yet at the end of the day, so much, so much of what moves the world
is reputation is trust is, you know, like I'll, I'll, yeah, like I'm going to sign this contract
with you, you know, I'm going to sign this agreement. I'm going to do a handshake agreement
for this thing with you because I trust you. And, and like, this is how, this is how the world
actually operates at like a lot of the biggest levels, like a lot of, I mean, like the whip
who's in politics, like he doesn't actually have, he doesn't actually have certain levels of
authority over these people. And yet again, he's got a reputation. He's got other, you know,
because of the life he's lived because of the people that he knows, you know, because of whatever
it is, like you actually, you know, you can have a lot more power, even if you don't have like the
title or something. And so I think that, you know, like, again, like Matt, like one of the things you,
you know you
we don't have to go
we need to do a whole
another episode
but like you know
you through a whole
random set of circumstances
met this dude
Naval
and so like you become friends like you could probably talk to him and like you know what is that worth There probably guys who are literally paying gazillions of dollars to try to get access to him And yet you know you just did it through paying no money and just hanging
out on, on a website. And it's just like, like that, that's the reality is like God, you know,
as, especially as a Christian, like God, God creates a world, God, God loves to shame like
in, and like bring to nothing the wicked. And so where you see a situation that looks dark
and that looks hopeless and it looks like this is so bad there's no way out of this like if you're
a christian you should be like oh wait this is exactly the type of situation that god like loves
to loves to like you know act into and provide for us and and to do these kind of things he loves to
do this kind of things he's been doing it for all of human history because things have been dark for
all of human history basically um and so yeah so i got a naval quote i got a naval quote for you
Let's go.
He told me, and I told my kids this, Naval said about me, you have a rich life.
Let's go.
You know?
Yeah.
And I have a side story, and this is true of Naval, and it's probably true of so many people that you think are greedy money grabbers, right?
My brother's in the tech industry, too, and he told me he knew somebody who's a programmer who's just like a genius, but he wasn't really recognized yet.
I can't remember. I probably wouldn't even name it if I could remember what he was working on.
And someone told Naval, hey, you need to pay attention to this guy. This guy's awesome. He's
doing awesome stuff. And he wrote him a quarter million dollar check. Boop.
Yep.
Okay. Sorry, Naval, if I spoiled that, you know, everyone else is going to ask you for a quarter
million dollars. But the point is that happens way more than you think.
Yep.
But you know who it doesn't happen to? Stink Eye.
Yep. Yep.
You can't go into it with Stink Eye.
100%.
And so in my short time, I wouldn't call myself friends, but I'd say I did get to stay at his house and I was encouraged by him and I was on his app.
And I heard him not only to me, but to others offer encouragement to an artist and say, wow, you're a full stack artist.
That became their bio, you know, at and of all full stack artists, you know.
So whether it's him or anyone else out there, it's like, is there an opportunity to somehow, by the way, when I was at his house, his fridge was broken.
guess what I did?
Fixed his fridge?
I fixed his fridge.
Let's go.
Yeah.
So,
and,
so anyway,
the point is like,
that wasn't because I thought I was going to get money.
That was just because like,
Hey,
I'm being hosted and this is something that,
you know,
you have skills make,
it makes me feel good.
And,
um,
skills that make me a nightmare for people like you.
I want to,
I want to say one more.
Oh,
good.
No,
that's it.
Go ahead.
Um,
I wanted to also say there's just back to what that lady was complaining about.
And Javier Malay, Argentina's president, I think he just introduced a law that their people are not going to be taxed up to $63,000 of income or something like that.
And like something else that people need to understand is that like taxes are they should be viewed as almost wicked, especially for the young.
The young are trying to start out in life.
And when they have such an enormous amount of their income taxed, it's very, very, very hard for them to get ahead.
It's very hard for them to save.
They're at their lowest earning potential, right?
They're just starting out.
yet they're taxed really high.
And that's not helpful.
And so our money's broken,
but then also our tax system's broken
and it's broken because of incentives.
The incentives are broken.
Our government is a giant bloated beast
that only, like, it only keeps growing.
Like the budgets never drop.
Anytime the government budgets get threatened,
everyone loses their mind.
And sadly, dude, I don't know what's going to change.
Like literally Elon, like we have nationwide protests over a few government workers being let go.
Like I don't know what to say.
Like the quality of everyone's life in communities is suffering because governments aren't able to do the work that they used to do because salaries are continuing to go up, benefits, all the things like that.
while the services that they offer keep dropping.
But how many people are actually asking the question,
like, why do we need so much government?
And at the end of the day, like, it's this, like,
I mean, I know this sounds harsh,
but government largely is just an enormous parasite
that just sucks.
And it's like a leech on the system
that sucks the life out of everyone.
When they decide to do everything,
they fail at the things they're actually supposed to be doing.
Exactly.
Like, hey, what do we want?
We want to be safe, and we don't want our parks overridden with drug addicts
killing themselves, overdosing on drugs, and crime to go unchecked.
Like, we're not complicated people.
But even beyond, like, what we want, like, this really is, like,
it's a crisis of authority, right?
Because, like, if the question is,
who sets the bounds of what the government is supposed to do?
And if the government is just left to their own devices or even left to the devices of again of just citizens who are ignorant and who are kept ignorant through their educational systems and all kinds of stuff
We're not actually learning about how you could affect governmental change and a lot of these kind of things.
If you just go along with letting the government write their own job description, well, then, of course, you're going to get bigger government.
That's what you're doing.
And so this is where I feel like Christians are in some ways uniquely positioned to basically say, hey, like the scripture, like thus sayeth the Lord, God created the world to work a certain way.
And so especially in terms of you have, insofar as you have voting power, Americans, like you need to know what the scriptures say about what the role of the government is and what the role of the government is not.
because if you don't know, then you're not going to vote accordingly. You're not going to act
accordingly. You're not going to do like, there's a hundred things where it's like, dude, we're half
the problem. You know, it's like, we're, you know what we're, we're setting the table by what we
care about, by what we desire. Uh, and there's things that we just care about more than, than
actually, you know, honoring what the Lord has said in terms of that, whereas individuals
supposed to operate in the governments or how governments are supposed to operate,
how, you know, a whole host of different things, like your demand, like supply and demand is
happening in your life. You just don't demand the things that you're supposed to demand.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And by the way, I want to, I think what you just said is really
precise there, Jordan. In a lot of sense, the culture and the government even operates on a,
I guess, a supply and demand, maybe that's not exactly the right way to say it.
Yeah. But, um, they do what they can get away with. That's the thing.
If the people demand that it's different, it will be. Now in history with kings and stuff,
what that looks like is cutting their heads off when it gets like really, really bad.
Hopefully, hopefully it doesn't go to that point. But if the people honestly demand that it's
different and, and you use the example of the whip, the whip not having a lot of quote unquote power,
I would throw the word in their influence. That's what Christians should be praying for
and desiring, not necessarily wealth, not necessarily power in the governmental sense,
but to be influential through ideas and the spreading of truth, you know, then some of us
will be, some of us will be gifted for those other things, called to those things. But I hope that
there's a grassroots movement, you know, in this country, and it has to do with like spreading
truth. And that truth ends up with people demanding that they actually have justice
and that the government does their job.
One of my first AI songs was called Pooping in the Trash Cans.
You can find it on my YouTube.
And it's a lament.
It's a lament.
My SoundCloud?
It's on my YouTube right now.
Shield the YouTube.
We'll allow it.
I'll allow it.
Shield the YouTube.
What's your YouTube channel?
Matt Purvis.
M-A-T-T-P-U-R-V-I-S.
You're about to go get dozens of more followers.
I have like seven videos.
Several dozen.
But it's about how my post office, you used to be able to go to the post office after work and hop in and get your mail.
And then all of a sudden it's locked up.
Oh, why is it locked up?
Because they're pooping in the trash cans.
Okay?
Now, that's what the song's about.
And I went on to say the sidewalks and the hedgerows.
It rhymes and stuff.
But the point is, why don't we just stop them from pooping in the trash cans so that the actual citizens can go get their mail?
Instead, you go, well, they're pooping in the trash cans.
What can we do?
And I'm using that as a little tiny piece of the culture to say, why are they overdosing
on fentanyl in the street?
So now the elderly, the young children, families, they can't walk down the street anymore.
It wasn't supposed to be that justice is letting people do whatever they want.
Oh, that's a whole other.
It was supposed to be, justice is supposed to be making it so that we can all play together
well and do business together well and walk in our cities and stuff.
we're and so um we're gonna do a whole episode i don't know if it's gonna be on this or if i'll
just do it independently or something or like when you grab somebody else but just uh about how the
understanding of freedom has changed over time and it is it is fascinating because that word again
this is like again you look at satan in genesis 3 he's he's playing with words did god actually say
does god actually you know this is the reality is like governments play with words too they change
the meaning of words. People changed the meaning of words to suit them.
They're not even, yeah, they're not even saying, did God actually say it? They're just like,
now it's, they don't even reference our constitution anymore because the constitution
was created on biblical values, completely inspired by scripture. And now it's being
ignored and they're trying to change it. And yet, yeah.
There's Mike Schellenberger in California. He made the point about, you know,
is it really like you could say well you took this least of these God wants you to love the
least of these and you took this addict and you locked him in a cage and you forced him to do
stuff against their will and and again that's a that's a flipping of it then Schellenberger talks
about what if your grandma was on dementia and she's walking down the middle lane of the road
and she doesn't know where she is and she doesn't know how to get home and nobody even knows who she
is. She just walked out of her door and she doesn't know where she is. And someone comes and
says, excuse me, do you want help? Do you need help? Who are you? Where are you from? Can we
help you This is not safe And she says oh no it okay I going home Do you just go oh problem solved Let move on Let just let her wander down the street until she gets hit by a bus And that kind of the point Now you would say please grab my grandma Yeah Well I pick her up
If she was on drugs, that's exactly what people would do.
And that's what Schellenberger is talking about.
He says that, and that's the same thing.
Do you love these people?
They're literally killing themselves.
Okay.
So justice is not saying everyone else has to fear
for their lives and, you know,
be stepping over human feces
and not getting their mail at the post office.
Instead, love those people by helping them get better
and by removing, again, this is opening up a giant can of worms.
We should do a whole episode on that.
We definitely will.
We will close today by looking at somebody in a different situation
who, again, a little bit younger.
So again, not trying to trivialize the situation that the other lady was in.
She's 30, according to the post.
This girl just graduated college, so she's probably 22.
too. She had this to say, Halston Isabella. We follow her on Twitter. I just graduated from USC.
I now have a bachelor's degree in business economics and a master's in marketing,
which took over 42 units of finance and economics courses. And still, none of those courses taught
me what I learned on my own. No class explained the truth of the broken system we live in. It was
brushed off. I found that through late nights and early mornings studying Bitcoin, questioning fiat,
and questioning everything I'd ever been taught about economics, realizing the financial world
is built on sinking sand.
I read Lynn Alden's book,
read the Bitcoin Standard,
Principles of Economics,
The Big Print by Larry Lepard,
Jack Mahler's podcast
helped me put words
to what I was feeling,
rage, urgency, hope, and purpose.
Hearing Adam O'Brien,
shout to Adam,
friend of the program,
Bitcoin Well,
talk about Bitcoin
as a way to protect
his kid's future,
made me realize
that I want that too.
Bitcoin gave me clarity,
it gave me hope.
Choosing Bitcoin
isn't about wealth,
it's about building something real
for my future family.
It's the hardest money there is,
one that comes
with strong conviction.
I'm making a decision now to become someone my future kids will be proud of and grateful for.
A decision to reject comfort, to choose discipline over dopamine.
I don't want to waste my 20s watching Love Island, mindlessly scrolling TikTok or watching football each week.
I want to understand the truth behind financial markets and why the system is built to keep us dependent.
I want to see through all the noise, stack stats, build conviction, become unshakable, and tell the story of sound money.
I'm not like the rest of my generation, and I'm okay with that.
I would again heartily uh you know recommend and encourage and you know uh affirm a lot of that
I still and I don't think that she would necessarily reject this given other things that we
can learn about her uh given her sash and other things but um but yeah even all this like knowledge
there's a limit to the value of knowledge is all I would say like you know knowledge we want to
learn things and I mean just meaning comes from devoting your life to people and and like just
serving your community, creating a family, serving your family.
You know, there's even just accumulating Bitcoin, having lots of Bitcoin and having lots of,
you know, things like there's a limit to the value of these things.
There's a limit to the happiness and satisfaction and joy that these things will give.
But they are a good part of a larger whole that will give your life meaning and, again,
result in you living a life that that serves those around you and is a net gain on society rather
than a drain yeah let let that take away you know earlier i talked about the anxiety that i think
some bitcoiners have let let that kind of take away some of that anxiety you have a life ahead
of you of service to fellow man and god yep and you can you can earn and you can save and you can
build and you should aspire to that and um so stack sats but don't do it in an anxious way like
this is my one chance 2025 is my one chance in my entire life um you know or whatever it might be
let that anxiety um find its proper place like what you said jordan yeah and and until until
bitcoin becomes like you know the global uh the global currency and it completely takes over
as long as fiat currencies are around in every country in the world,
people are going to be stolen from when they hold that fiat currency.
So buying Bitcoin just at the most basic level is just a way of taking what you've been given
and preserving it from being stolen.
It's just basic stewardship.
It's not complicated.
If you leave it in the fiat currency, it is going to be debased,
which is them stealing some of what you've earned.
it's like them breaking into your house and stealing a little bit of it um so putting in
bitcoin just simply preserves that and prevents it from being debased and stolen so amen anyhow we
are we are grateful for all of you if if again if you're fighting benefit from these one of the
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And we will be back with the Mountain Presby's on Thursday with another episode of To the
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And I might do at least one other episode this week.
We'll see.
And you can keep your eyes peeled for that.
We'll see you on the next episode of To the Unknown Pod.
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