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Nathan Spearing, welcome to Think Out for Bitcoin podcast.

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Great to be here.

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This has been somewhat of a long time coming.

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We've been trying to make this work and both been busy.

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And then, you know, on the kind of a last minute thing,

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I just threw out the possibility yesterday of hopping on today and you're like, let's do it.

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So great to have you here.

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Can you introduce yourself for those who aren't familiar with who you are and what you do?

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I'm Nathan Spearing.

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I am the oldest of seven children born and raised in northern Alabama.

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First generation homeschool family.

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We homeschool our children now, but then entered the Army.

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Not immediately after high school, I actually worked a congressional campaign and then joined the Army.

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Was in Ranger Battalion for a number of years.

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transitioned over to the Special Forces side of the house at Fort Bragg about midway through

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my 14, almost 14 year career. But I was at a seven year old son as my oldest kid and I was

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deployed and was kind of not feeling effective where I was and it was over Christmas. So it was

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a particular acute feeling of being absent and was just kind of that that that actual set me on

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the path to say i think i'm i don't think that the the the war is trending to uh more bureaucratic

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more political i had a good run my kids are growing up and i'm not present and so i'm gonna

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exit. And one of the kind of adages that the army uses at least, and is very typical of government

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methodology, I think is once you've done 10, you might as well stay in a meeting till 20 years

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because the greatest thing you could possibly ever achieve in life is a federal retirement at

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38 years old. And so I was doing kind of the math and realizing that I think time was a better asset

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to reallocate. And, and, and a lot of people just felt like I was crazy that, uh, I was at almost 14

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years, but the way I looked at it is my son was seven at the time that I kind of put the mark on

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the wall. Um, my son was seven and I didn't want to spend double his life again before I could get

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a pension. So I just, that was kind of the, the one metric that I, I focused in on. I could look

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at him and see him at seven and be like his entire life again before I can retire. And I think,

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and I think that, and he's only one of five kids. So I think it's time to get out and against kind

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of the, the way that the government methodology goes and get out.

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And then I actually found out my, about my, we, we, we were in the middle of closing on

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a house.

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It was a 8,300 square foot, uh, historic mansion that had 11 bathrooms and we had just cashed

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out, uh, some real estate to be able to do this transaction.

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So I had a decent amount of money, but we had, so we had just closed.

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We just put a, um, 110 grand down, I think on this house, got a great price on it.

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It was just really needed everything.

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And then the next day found out that if I didn't, that was like two or three days before

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getting out.

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Then the next day found out if I don't write a $40,000 check to the government, uh, which

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is a enlistment bonus that I only served part of and they were going to tax me on it.

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And so I knew I had to pay it back.

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I knew that the government was going to come for that money, but the actual, uh, added knowledge

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that if I didn't pay it back my last day that I would get taxed. And then I would have to basically

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go back and forth between government finance, the IRS and all this kind of stuff. And I was like,

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you know what? Um, that was about half of our cash on hand after the real estate deal.

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Yep. And so then I spent half of the remaining of that to buy a truck, uh, started a construction

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business and we moved into the house without air conditioning uh we had one working toilet of the

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11 bathrooms we had a kitchen sink working we had a shower on the other end of the house working my

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wife likes to joke that we had one sink one toilet and and one shower all in separate rooms

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in 8300 square feet and um no hvac at all because i had gone in and uh removed some of the stuff and

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started trying to update it and uh i guess the rest they say is history so it was uh began my

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school of hard knocks mba in entrepreneurship uh customer service construction uh yep got a

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little lawsuit and some contract law on the on the same same you know first year basically just

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all kinds of stuff happening uh and and looking down kind of always are we going to be able to pay

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the bills essentially because I didn't get a retirement and we kind of had already gone out

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on a limb with this massive historic renovation and in a lot of ways like just looking back on

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the hubris of like what were we thinking and and I just I I say all the time like it was

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it was harder than I ever thought it would be, but I am so glad I did it. And, and part of the

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reason I didn't really have a real well-formed plan, but part of the reason was I felt like I

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was young, uh, at the time that I got out. Um, I've almost been out nine years. I think I was

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about to turn 34 doing my math correct I'm um 33 um and so I was like I'm still young thank god I'm

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healthy I'm banged up but I'm I can still I still got some hustle as they say and uh I think I want

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to get the education when I'm younger and and and build something that I can actually pass to my

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kids uh because the federal retirement as good as it is it ends when you when you die and so

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it really you know business property things like that um i wanted to start i i didn't know exactly

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how i would do it and and really didn't have any kind of plan except for kind of i was like well

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i got this house i'll work on that i got 80 grand in the bank that's a relatively good salary if we

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just have to live off of that and then god in his province basically took my margin away

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and forced me to not be comfortable and to get after it it's like no you're not going to sit

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back spearing you're gonna they're gonna get on the gas right now or you're gonna go bankrupt uh

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and uh so yeah it's it's it's been it's been awesome and i think that as i kind of contemplate

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all of it and have conversations with people i the most what i want people to be able to do and

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surrounding content and these interviews is if you feel this tug that is the holy spirit

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telling you to do something and shake things up, do it now.

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Just go for it.

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Geronimo, amen.

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And make it happen.

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And the sooner you do it, the better.

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The sooner you start learning, the sooner you can start compounding

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whatever it is that you're trading in in that particular time.

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And that time is, you know, my good friend of mine passed away

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last December in a car accident about a month from retiring.

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And his kid spoke.

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He has survived by some incredible kids.

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His kid spoke at the funeral, and my kids were listening to it the other day.

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The time is the resource we spend never knowing the balance.

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And so, thankfully, I can look back and think, you know,

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I'm glad I spent my time, uh, the way that I did instead of staying in the government.

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And, you know, that being said, it's veterans day and I appreciate everybody that serves.

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And I'm, I'm super glad I have friends at the Pentagon.

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I have friends, you know, still in special operations and I'm, and that go to our church.

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And I'm, I'm just so grateful that they're continuing to fight the war, the way that

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God's called them to do it.

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but he called me out. Thank the Lord. And I'm, I'm glad I'm out and I'm glad I'm here.

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And, uh, and, and lots, uh, hopefully lots more to build and contribute, uh, with my kids and,

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and my wife, uh, going forward and, and tremendously thankful that I'm here as well.

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Man, incredible story. Uh, again, have, have lots more questions, but just on the,

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on the retirement front, did, did you happen to see, uh, I think the, the, the public version

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of Sean Ryan's interview with Matt Bissonette went live yesterday. Do you know who he is?

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Yeah, I am about, uh, I think almost two hours into that right now.

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Really? Uh, yeah. It's like three or four hours, isn't it?

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Yeah. It's a, I think it's a four hour one and I'm particularly interested, um, have friends.

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I don't know him personally but I have friends that know him and um a lot of the same community

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and a lot of overlap and uh particularly interested uh I the verdict is still out I think

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um about what I feel about there's there is this kind of stigma of of getting out and conducting

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yourself in podcasts and the internet in a certain way that is is is you know I think most of the

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time is viewed as profiting and, and, and self, you know, there's a lot of selfless service

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in the military. And then you, and then serving at higher levels, you kind of say, Hey, I'm gonna

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be quiet about a lot of that stuff because of national security and because of people I'm with

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or whatever. But then there's this other side that I, I, the one friend that I was texting,

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um, it has, has also been on Sean Ryan. I was texting him and, and I was saying, you know,

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there's, there's another side of this that's eternal and God writing a very

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specific story, uh, for me, for you, for all of us and, and, and, and using your

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past and your experiences to, uh, set captives free, um, you know, doing

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hostage rescue in the military, but also like the gospel is, is, is, uh, is

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hostage rescue.

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You know, that's it.

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That's my methodology about all these people that act insane is it's ultimately, that's an immortal soul held captive by sin.

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Um, and the end is death, you know, it's, it's, it's an internal, uh, judgment.

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And so, you know, there's, there's a tremendous opportunity to, uh, to use these platforms and to use, uh, our particular optics.

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Um, one of the things I feel like that the, the special operations and military service did to me is I, I, I, I do not fear death at all.

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Like, I mean, and I can say that with every ounce of my being.

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And that's one of the reasons why I was so tipped at the church during COVID.

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Because it showed that the American church wasn't ready to reckon with the finality of their, this body in the present form.

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and people that are supposed to be leaders were cowards.

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And I had already had to reckon with this.

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I was 22, and we had gotten into kind of firefights all day long,

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and we left.

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My squad was in an observation position,

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and we left some binoculars.

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when we withdrew back.

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And in my mind, I'm like,

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this is like $50 at sporting goods.

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This is not like we left a machine gun

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or any of that stuff.

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And my cartoon sergeant was like,

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go back and get them.

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There was people maneuvering.

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And I was like, this is ridiculous.

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And I kind of was like, all right,

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this is my authority.

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And he's just told me to go execute this thing.

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I think it's ridiculous, you know, but I also don't get to sit here as a specialist and tell

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this E seven I'm in Ranger Battalion. Hey, you know, I don't want to do this. That's ridiculous.

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So I just was like, I just sprinted, you know, out and, you know, told the guys, Hey, stay with me.

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And I just ran for it, grabbed them, ran back. And, you know, that kind of moment was, was,

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We actually had been in a lot of firefights that day, and it was probably more dangerous to use the vernacular of the unsaved and the person that doesn't know his immortality in Christ.

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But that was the first time I had to kind of deliberately go expose myself to danger.

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It was kind of the first firefight, first time, and I was like, okay, do I believe this or not?

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I'm going. And, and from that kind of that point on, um, you know, not it's, it's, it's execute,

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uh, no, no fear and, and, and not believe that I won't, won't be killed, but that I won't be

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killed earlier than it's supposed to happen. And, and the Stonewall Jackson quote about,

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uh, you know, his faith demanding that, or that he, he is as safe in his bed as he is on the

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battlefield and that every man should have that. Yeah. Uh, really should believe that. And, and so

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anyway, I guess that those kinds of things I want people to know, I, I deeply in my, my being want

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men specifically to live without fear, uh, because, uh, you know, as a Christian in the center of

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God's will in, in, in prayer and in subject, you know, making sure you're submitting to,

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to Christ and to the leaders of the church, you're invincible. And, and, but, but I had to learn

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that God was also going to provide for me financially. Cause that's the irony is, is I

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could face down grenades being thrown at me, but I was really like terrified of not being able to

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pay my mortgage and, you know, having to pay these invoices and having these clients sue me.

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I mean, I was in the courtroom having a physiological response, heart rate, you know,

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and all that, that I didn't ever have on the battlefield. And I was, but, but, but had to go

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through and be like, this is, this is the mission right now. And what do you want me to learn from

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this right now? And ultimately back to trust and faith that he is going to take care of me.

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and it will work out for my spiritual good no matter what.

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And it's a hard, I think that just that was my struggle,

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still is my struggle that God is going to provide for me financially.

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And I can go hang out in the special ops circle,

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but I guess that's why I'm trying to transfer that ability to say

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you know that your your your mindset uh informed by the word of god and and then even my own

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personal experience you know i i god said not yet so many times and i had no idea that i i was that

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close to dying and he said not yet the enemy had to drop on me or i i knew they were there somewhere

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and they, you know, they get to just spray out the door or whatever.

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And he said, not yet.

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And so if it happened these number of times it will continue He the same God My relationship with him is unchanged So anyway I mean I waxing eloquent

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I'm sorry.

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It's a habit.

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Nathan, this is awesome.

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And I'd love to explore more just like practical ways to build that courage.

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And particularly, like you make this connection with the trusting God for provision.

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and that real experience of fear, right?

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Whether you're being sued

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or you're not able to make your mortgage

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or this question of stepping out

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from the known into the unknown.

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So like there's a bunch of young guys in my church

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and a lot of them are young dads

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and they're wrestling with these questions of,

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okay, how do I, like, I want to have a larger family,

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but we're in the city, we're in an expensive place.

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How do I make that work?

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like home ownership is so difficult and like just a normal nine to five job like I crunch the

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numbers it doesn't seem to work and so I wonder for you and as I'm kind of I'm like the middle

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aged guy with I have eight kids oldest is 19 and so I'm a couple steps ahead of these young guys

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and I'm encouraging them hey structure your life and your business and your life decisions now

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so that you're set up to be able to have some freedom,

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to be present with your kids,

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to be able to have the financial flex,

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to have more kids.

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And I think of like the Charlie Kirk line

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of have more kids than you can afford, right?

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And even that decision takes courage,

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takes like some guts.

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But what advice do you have for these guys,

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either something you learned on the battlefield

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or just you've learned since then,

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to think about, okay, it's a real risk to move from,

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hey, I have a sustainable, safe nine to five,

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but it has this glass ceiling.

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Or I can step out and start with nothing.

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And it's like, it's me in the end zone, right?

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And it's like, if I make it, I make it.

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If I suck and I don't make it, that's all on me.

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Like, that's really hard.

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right so how do you help guys with with making that decision well i think um the military vignette

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that kind of jumps to my mind is you know there to get to the the most elite ranks in the military

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you have to be willing to do things other people won't and you have to stay the course

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excuse me sorry um and uh there's as as i went through my training you would see guys

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mentally quit before they physically quit um and that's that was the goal of you know the very

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first thing that was i would say was was difficult for me is you know you go to infantry training

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then you go to airborne school and then I got picked up to go to ranger indoctrination program

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which is called I think RASP now but it was just three weeks um of of them just trying to get you

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to quit and you know physical mostly physical is the the mechanism for that push-ups and screaming

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at you and we would have to say the ranger creed uh they'd get six of us up there and and we have

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to say one stanza of the creed and then they'd have the you know scary dude be right in your face

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trying to say it and everybody would forget a word or mess if one little mess up the whole class is

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running to the wood line and touching it running back and just just you know if the last half oh

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you're too slow do it again and just kind of just continually um and and people would would make an

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excuse or would would decide you know do i really want to be a ranger you know i'd do i could just

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go like I'm airborne's already more prestigious than just you know somebody they call them legs

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you know I'm at least I'm airborne I can go the 82nd would be okay and so and I and and and they

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quit um and and some of them maybe get a medical issue and and we I was talking about this with

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some guys last night they that were medics for a special forces selection they said if a guy comes

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in, just give him a medical discharge. Like let him go, uh, let him, let him have the piece of

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paper that he, he had got cause it's like saving face. So I got medically dropped, you know, I got

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hurt, you know, I would have been the most amazing soldier ever except for I got hurt, you know? And,

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and so I think that that is, you have to be willing to do things, uh, other people don't,

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won't do. And you have to be willing and acknowledge that it will take harder. And I was

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texting Jordan with about this a little bit before the episode, but I thought that because I, I

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excelled and got to the very top in special operations that, that I could just transfer that,

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uh, excellence and be at the same level in small business now, you know, and, and the reality is no,

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none of my clients cared that I was special ops, you know, and, and a lot of my clients are like,

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um, are you sure you're special ops? Cause you kind of suck at customer service right now,

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you know, like where's my freaking tile? Like in, in these things that realizing that,

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you know, in, in, uh, owning whatever you can. And I, I would say one of the things you said,

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you're a couple of years ahead, the way that a young man does this or any young person,

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the young woman as well, is realizing that the time they have right now is worth the least it

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will be worth as far as opportunity cost of that time. So the sooner, just like anything,

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there's the old adage of, hey, if you put a thousand dollars a month in when you're 18 and

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continue to 25, the math works the same way with spiritual formation, with business and education

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knowledge. The sooner that you get with the program and the sooner you start making investments,

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the yield will come earlier and in greater amounts. And so I think a lot of people today

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are wasting time. I'm wasting time. I'm still, I, and I, I don't like it when my wife points out

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how I'm wasting time, you know, she's right on my case. Like, Hey, you know, um, so I would,

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I would say, I'm hearing about this concept for the first time. This is crazy. Uh, you're talking

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about this. Let me know how to organize your life so that you, your wife doesn't have very awesome

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and pointed tidbits to help you do it better.

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And even realizing that there's people in your life,

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that is a blessing to have a wise woman.

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She isn't pointing these things out

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because she doesn't like me.

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She is in this with me.

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We have had conversations

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about what the vision for our family is.

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And she's looking at my actions saying,

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you got distracted, didn't you? We talked about this already. And so this young people have that

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too. And they should have that. If you don't have that, if you're not in a church, if you don't have

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older men, I have, I have probably at least five to 10 men that are way ahead of me and that are

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gracious enough to pretty much pick up the phone anytime that I call. And I think two things,

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they don't know what's going to come out of my mouth and they are actually excited to hear this

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because I'm a little bit crazy about, I'm honest about what I'm talking about. And then I'm also

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going to go and I'm going to listen and I'm going to take wisdom. I'm going to execute from it.

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So I've heard people say that like older men want to invest in younger people, not because we hate

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them, but because we've already walked this path already and we've looked back at how we did it

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And we screwed up. And so when you talk to an older man, you're a wise older man who's where

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you want to be. He's, he's literally, it's, there's nothing more glorious than having somebody

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learn the lesson from my pain and, and have them, it's having the wisdom and to apply it and having

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people come up to me and say, I quit my job and I started my own business. And now three people in

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my family are working for me and all, you know, like it's, there's the stories just happen.

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And so that, and you're also not going to, we talked about this via text. I equate it to land

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navigation. You kind of have an idea of, of where you're trying to get, but between where you are

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and there is kind of unknown. So you shoot an azimuth, you get on the compass, you start walking.

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Oh shoot. There's a Creek. Oh shoot. This is really hairy terrain. I'm going to go around this way

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or what these things like you got to start walking in this in one particular direction and and and so

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doing a really good any even older men like have you seen the book it's 168 hours i think is is a

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laura vanderkamp or something basically just her methodology is like you can't do everything in a

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day but you can do everything in a week if you write down um 40 hours working most average american

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works like 32 and lies to their employer that they actually worked 40. They took a 15 minute

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longer lunch break. So just say you're working 50, which is more than most people, sleeping eight

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hours, taking the Sabbath off 100% and devoting two hours to meals or hygiene. You almost have a,

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as a young person, you almost have a full-time job, still time that is. And when you start having

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kids, you don't have as much of that 38 hours or 42 hours, whatever the final math comes to.

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So how are you using that marginal time to, and, and, and I think, you know, Hermose, even though

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he's a heathen talks about this, like, uh, you know, invested in SM, SME 500, like education

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and the amount of knowledge that is in podcasts and accessible,

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but you have to not get into entertainment methodology,

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but I like recreation.

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You're recreating yourself.

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So what is it?

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And this podcast hopefully will be one of those things.

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It's going to foster a new way of looking at the world

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that causes you to spend your time in a way that is more profitable and profitable being glorifying

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God in the way that, I mean, ultimately every one of us is a unique individual and that begs that

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there's something that only I can do before God, not that he needs me, but that if he's created me,

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formed me in my mother's womb, I'm fearfully and wonderfully made for a specific purpose.

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and anytime I get distracted, anytime I tend to sloth or any of the other sins,

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I am squandering my ability to do the mission for his glory.

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And we just have to be very serious about this.

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And there can be this, there's two ditches, obviously.

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One ditch is I need to start a business when I'm nine

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and I need to be a millionaire by 12, you know,

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and being obsessed and letting money drive you that way.

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But then there's the other side is I got all the time to play,

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to game into the night, you know?

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I can confidently say that if you are gaming

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and you're older than 10 years old as a boy, as a man,

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you're making the wrong call right now.

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Like they, you're, you're, you're the reason why these video games get billions of dollars spent on them is how much of your time and energy is getting stolen from you.

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It's a good business to, in, in stealing education or time from young men and time from young people.

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It's billions of dollars.

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Be smarter than that.

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realize that's a psychological operation against your capacity to do things for God.

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You know, and I'm like, it's, I played Halo when I was growing up. We had Halo parties. We did

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things like that. Like, I think that there can be, but I mean, I, I, a few weeks ago, I bought

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two really old Xboxes on Facebook market plates. And I was like, it's gonna be fun to play with my

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kids we got rid of those suckers like like I watched what it did to my sons yeah in real time

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and I was like I I am gonna like take them in the backyard and shoot them with a shotgun

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you know it we we can't and in talking to my sons like this is you were put here to work

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and to cultivate. And in America, we put this magical, like when you're 18 and when you graduate,

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like that's when you should start acting like adult, but not yet. Like you can actually go

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into hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt and join a fraternity and drink. We'll give you four

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more years to do that. And they're stealing your prime years to grow, spiritually grow,

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physically grow like you should be lifting weights you should be in shape um and and all these kind

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of things are an investment in a type of of woman that's going to want to marry you you know i mean

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it it my my wife wanted nothing to do with me when i was a 16 year old homeschooler when i was

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an airborne ranger with valorous awards it was a different story you know and it wasn't even

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premeditated. It just, that's how it worked. She knew that I was going to protect her. She knew

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that I had strength and, and, and she didn't know what a pain, she didn't know I was going to move

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her into a mansion with no AC or heat for a year and a half. And then we haven't even talked about

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the fact that we were in a bus for almost three and a half years on land. Cause that's, I guess

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that's the other side of it is when you're, when you're a young dude, like you can live in a tent

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outside of, I don't buy in the city, maybe because just the land is such a premium.

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No, no, we're Portland. You can live in a tent on any street corner. No problem. You can buy

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the crappiest house and live in a tent in the front yard when you're single.

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If your wife's expecting your first kid, you're not doing that. And I did, I actually did.

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um my wife was pregnant with our second we bought our first fixer upper i paid 165 grand for this

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house and um you know 20 down uh used the re-enlistment bonus for that it was in a really

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good part of town and then i demoed the whole thing and my wife like started crying we were

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in apartment complex she was about to give birth she's like we uh we have a baby coming in like

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four months and this thing has just got trashed. Uh, and, uh, how are you going to get it back

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together for me to have a home birth here? You know, like it's, it's, uh, and, and having to

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work through that it's, it's easier to do it when you don't have, uh, that concern, but you can still

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do it if you have the right woman too. Like you, you can, uh, work together and grow together and,

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And what that, you know, essentially the return on that house, that first house that I bought was from a time perspective was not that much.

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Like every weekend, every night.

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But what it was is kind of like a savings account because I only paid materials and then I sold it and it tax free uh for for the amount that we got And but I got skill and I did it again

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And so I guess I, I just recently wrote a post on X about this.

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Like it doesn't have to be a house.

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It can be anything that your skill and your time can make it more valuable.

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And my brother has, has flipped four wheelers and side by sides, because that's a thing that a lot of people buy, uh, with discretionary income.

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And then when they can't pay the rent, they sell their bike.

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They sell the, you know, and a lot of times there's, there's not a bad, there's a battery that needs to get swapped.

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Like it's not, you don't have to be a mechanic.

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Just got to have some basic assessment of what you're doing.

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And so anything that has, you can add value to with your time.

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And when you're younger, it doesn't matter.

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Your time is worth nothing.

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You could be, you're living free probably with your parents.

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And so you literally just, there's no bottom for you.

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You're going to get a meal.

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You're going to get whatever.

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And then I think ultimately too, like even when you have a wife and kids, like there

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are a lot of restaurants that just put stuff in the dumpster.

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You're not going to go hungry.

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you know you might have to eat food out of the dumpster you know but like there's just not

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and i in you said you're in portland like look at all these people like they're fine in a tent

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they they're eating you know like in america right now the bottom is still above 90 of the world

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living condition wise you know and i mean i have had the conversations with my kids they're like

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dad are we rich and i'm like well when we take the dump trailer to the landfill you see whole

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cities there and families and communities with houses out of cardboard and scraping little bit

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of residue off of a can because that's the food that they like that there are nobody lives in

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landfills in america yeah um so we're richer than all these other countries because those are

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actually cities where people live and, and, and they stay alive and they're, I wouldn't say they're

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thriving at all, but that's, that's back to that fear of, of the bottom perceived bottom. And who

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cares what anybody thinks about you? Like why you're building this? Like that's, we're, we're

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about to be at this point with this farm and this compound that we're building. And my wife is,

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I was talking to my wife. I'm like, you know, that people are going to come in and be like,

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wow you know they don't know that you they're not going to in a few of a year or two people

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aren't going to know you lived in a bus for three and a half years to get this place you know or

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even we're living in it right now and there's I mean you just like no windows uh in this in my

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office right now like I'm gonna put the window in later I got the ones that are required for egress

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in bedrooms, but like, it's not finished. It's, it's, it's, but it's way better than a bus.

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That's the thing is I, I got my family to get their expectations for living conditions so low

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in a bus that a partially finished house feels like luxury, you know, it's all about perspective,

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I guess. Yeah. Yeah. There's, it makes me think of, there's a comedian who talked about, he's like,

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he's like, basically he's like the homeless are actually living like more healthy lives than a

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lot of us like they're getting sunshine all day long they're walking a lot it's like in many cases

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especially in america he's like these people were peak physique you know like that really is it's

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ridiculous but yeah i just it's so funny you say that because i just had this conversation with my

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kids yesterday in the van um the one of them was like said something about i can't remember it wasn't

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00:37:07,654 --> 00:37:10,674
about being poor but it was said they said something about something i'm like you about

406
00:37:10,674 --> 00:37:16,914
being hungry i was like you have never been hungry in your entire life like you i was like guys we

407
00:37:16,914 --> 00:37:21,574
You can tell me in 12 days, you can say you're hungry.

408
00:37:22,594 --> 00:37:24,614
You don't have to be two weeks, Beau.

409
00:37:25,334 --> 00:37:25,494
Yeah.

410
00:37:25,714 --> 00:37:35,234
And this is where I just think a lot of this just comes down to, like, the thing that you're talking about is, I mean, a lot of this is just, do you value the things that you have?

411
00:37:35,314 --> 00:37:36,694
Do you value where you are?

412
00:37:36,774 --> 00:37:37,994
Do you value your weakness?

413
00:37:37,994 --> 00:37:42,574
and I think there's like so many of us,

414
00:37:42,614 --> 00:37:45,494
there's so few of us appropriately value

415
00:37:45,494 --> 00:37:48,414
like the situations that we're in when we're in them.

416
00:37:48,494 --> 00:37:50,774
And so again, like with your, you're sitting there,

417
00:37:50,874 --> 00:37:51,994
you're tempted as an 18 year old,

418
00:37:52,014 --> 00:37:52,974
you're like, I have nothing.

419
00:37:53,334 --> 00:37:56,034
And it's like, yes, but you have time,

420
00:37:56,174 --> 00:37:57,394
you have a safety net.

421
00:37:57,554 --> 00:37:59,594
So like literally you could go do anything

422
00:37:59,594 --> 00:38:02,934
and you're still able to sleep at home in most cases

423
00:38:02,934 --> 00:38:06,314
or even, but just even starting this conversation younger.

424
00:38:06,314 --> 00:38:11,634
and so like the the the best i mean the the that ash and i know at least that i mean at least that i

425
00:38:11,634 --> 00:38:16,394
know the person who's the best at this is ryan who who uh who's one of the other hosts on this

426
00:38:16,394 --> 00:38:22,554
podcast like ryan had this conversation with his oldest at like 12 and then his youngest at like

427
00:38:22,554 --> 00:38:28,114
nine was there in parallel and so they started like nine years old like thinking about all right

428
00:38:28,114 --> 00:38:32,454
what what can i what can i do to make money and so there was one son starts as a photographer at

429
00:38:32,454 --> 00:38:37,054
age nine. His other son starts learning to program when he was nine. And so you're just looking at

430
00:38:37,054 --> 00:38:41,454
this and you're just like, why are we doing this again? Because like, this is just the most obvious

431
00:38:41,454 --> 00:38:47,394
thing. It's like, we do everything wrong. Like just parroting the culture, parroting, you know,

432
00:38:47,394 --> 00:38:53,314
what is normal because of movies and TV and, you know, different authorities telling us this is

433
00:38:53,314 --> 00:38:57,674
what you should do, which coincidentally gets us into lots of debt, which coincidentally then means

434
00:38:57,674 --> 00:39:02,154
we're relying on government and other, it's just like when you actually step back and look at these

435
00:39:02,154 --> 00:39:07,734
things, you're just forced to think like, is there some sort of grand conspiracy against us?

436
00:39:08,474 --> 00:39:12,234
Because you just look at this, you're like, we're not doing anything that makes sense.

437
00:39:12,894 --> 00:39:21,174
None of this makes sense if the goal was for us to, you know, be financially self-reliant and,

438
00:39:21,174 --> 00:39:27,574
you know, just able to have the time and just the minds to do things that are in the best

439
00:39:27,574 --> 00:39:32,194
interests of God and in the best interest of our own selves and other people as well.

440
00:39:33,294 --> 00:39:37,694
So what was kind of like for you, was this a lot of the set that you've been talking about,

441
00:39:37,754 --> 00:39:42,134
kind of this mindset, obviously growing in your faith helps these things. Was this something that

442
00:39:42,134 --> 00:39:46,214
being in the military helped with, like being in special forces, just the reality of like,

443
00:39:46,894 --> 00:39:52,134
I have the skills to kill anyone and to go anywhere, be dropped off anywhere in the middle

444
00:39:52,134 --> 00:39:57,014
of anywhere, and I can survive and thrive. Like, is that part of this? Or like, was there other

445
00:39:57,014 --> 00:40:03,054
things, uh, other people experiences that helped with that. Um, you know, like I would love to kind

446
00:40:03,054 --> 00:40:14,454
of, um, I think that I, I, I was able to fail at such a colossal level in the military. Um, and,

447
00:40:14,454 --> 00:40:21,574
and learn from it. Um, I mean, and honestly, I had to do pretty much everything twice. Um,

448
00:40:21,574 --> 00:40:26,394
And I can look back and I can see God's hand in that.

449
00:40:26,394 --> 00:40:32,894
And it was kind of about the time that I thought I was doing it of my own strength.

450
00:40:33,674 --> 00:40:37,794
And then God was gracious enough to say, take a lap, Spearing.

451
00:40:38,694 --> 00:40:44,114
You aren't going to be a special forces super soldier because you did this.

452
00:40:45,434 --> 00:40:48,874
And I had to do it again.

453
00:40:48,874 --> 00:40:52,234
and I was four months married, no kids.

454
00:40:52,554 --> 00:40:54,654
And it was consuming me.

455
00:40:54,714 --> 00:40:55,874
I was going out on the weekends.

456
00:40:56,014 --> 00:40:57,154
I was shooting all the time.

457
00:40:57,234 --> 00:40:59,774
I was trying to do the O course and PT

458
00:40:59,774 --> 00:41:02,234
and all this like physical training where I'm getting,

459
00:41:02,614 --> 00:41:04,474
it was my identity.

460
00:41:05,194 --> 00:41:07,654
And God knew if I give you this at 23,

461
00:41:08,074 --> 00:41:09,774
it's gonna take your soul.

462
00:41:10,374 --> 00:41:13,774
So I'm gonna send you back to Ranger Battalion

463
00:41:13,774 --> 00:41:14,774
for two more years.

464
00:41:14,774 --> 00:41:16,434
And then you're gonna have a kid.

465
00:41:16,554 --> 00:41:17,914
You're gonna have another one on the way.

466
00:41:17,914 --> 00:41:23,914
you're going to be a little bit more of a man of God before I give you this cool job.

467
00:41:24,654 --> 00:41:30,994
And it ultimately allowed me to even walk away from the coolest job in the military

468
00:41:30,994 --> 00:41:43,914
early and pay money back to do it. And that's God's grace to allow me to value. And even then,

469
00:41:43,914 --> 00:41:53,094
it was harder than I could have possibly imagined. And it's not going to be easy.

470
00:41:53,674 --> 00:42:00,454
And I think that's the side of it is that as a Christian, if you are doing what God has called

471
00:42:00,454 --> 00:42:08,774
you to do, it should not ever be easy, I don't think. If it's easy, you're not doing everything

472
00:42:08,774 --> 00:42:16,654
he's called you to do. You're maybe kind of going towards the American dream end of the ditch or

473
00:42:16,654 --> 00:42:25,454
side of the road here in that ditch. I do believe in his mercy, he gives us Sabbath rest. There is

474
00:42:25,454 --> 00:42:34,134
a rhythm of the week that God has instituted to be able to rest from your labors. You get to

475
00:42:34,134 --> 00:42:42,614
actually stop. I have a app on my phone that turns off, uh, my business line stuff. Like I don't,

476
00:42:42,674 --> 00:42:48,434
do not respond to business stuff. I don't, I, it blocks outlook, which is my work email.

477
00:42:48,614 --> 00:42:53,614
I don't, I don't touch it on Sunday. What is this app for the, for the people,

478
00:42:53,674 --> 00:42:58,934
for the folks at home who want a patron? Uh, Opal, I think Opal. Yeah. So you can,

479
00:42:58,934 --> 00:43:02,874
And I use, for my business, I have a Google Voice line.

480
00:43:03,094 --> 00:43:04,554
That's my business line.

481
00:43:04,554 --> 00:43:08,714
So that I don't want clients to have my personal cell phone number.

482
00:43:09,014 --> 00:43:09,414
Yeah, 100%.

483
00:43:09,414 --> 00:43:14,314
Because they don't understand what I'm trying to build after hours.

484
00:43:14,314 --> 00:43:16,254
And they want to ruin that.

485
00:43:16,774 --> 00:43:22,234
Not because they hate me, but because they're going to think about something.

486
00:43:22,534 --> 00:43:24,874
And so I don't touch it.

487
00:43:24,874 --> 00:43:32,554
Like I turn notifications off and I, I have it on most of the time because I got to make sure it's not a water leak or something like that.

488
00:43:32,554 --> 00:43:35,454
But I don't respond after hours.

489
00:43:35,894 --> 00:43:39,774
Um, if they said, send me something at 9 PM, I send them something at 5 AM.

490
00:43:39,774 --> 00:43:48,694
Uh, and when I get up and start doing some of that stuff sometimes, but the, the, that that's how I, I am.

491
00:43:48,874 --> 00:43:51,514
I feel like I'm, I have an addictive personality.

492
00:43:51,514 --> 00:44:03,174
Like that's, it kind of goes along with me being able to do these extreme high risk things is that I'm also susceptible to the stuff that these guys that make the phones engineer them to do.

493
00:44:03,214 --> 00:44:03,694
Yep.

494
00:44:03,694 --> 00:44:13,434
And so, uh, I'm a huge fan of James Clear's atomic habits and forming your environment to, to fit what you're trying to accomplish.

495
00:44:13,434 --> 00:44:23,874
And so, you know, if you're a young person, you know, like screen time is going to show you, immediately show you whether or not you're on track.

496
00:44:23,994 --> 00:44:24,994
Just pull it up.

497
00:44:25,154 --> 00:44:37,194
And if you can look at what Instagram or TikTok or whatever, how much you're on there and say, yeah, I was producing stuff for the kingdom of God for that 4.7 hours of social media usage or whatever.

498
00:44:37,194 --> 00:44:38,914
Like that is why you're broke.

499
00:44:39,014 --> 00:44:40,654
That is why you're not successful.

500
00:44:40,654 --> 00:44:54,734
All the people that are spiritually, monetarily, physically ahead of you have figured out how to allocate their time towards these ends where you have been entertained and distracted.

501
00:44:55,454 --> 00:45:03,534
So stop going to the Coliseum and being part of the mob in little ways.

502
00:45:05,334 --> 00:45:08,074
That's the other side of it, is this is compounding.

503
00:45:08,074 --> 00:45:12,194
God is gracious when you've sinned and you've made mistakes.

504
00:45:12,494 --> 00:45:13,154
Confess it.

505
00:45:13,694 --> 00:45:15,054
Talk to somebody about it.

506
00:45:15,334 --> 00:45:17,414
Okay, how do I make a little bit of an improvement?

507
00:45:17,934 --> 00:45:23,874
And 1% change, half a percent change, especially if you're married.

508
00:45:24,154 --> 00:45:28,314
Don't listen to this podcast and go tell your wife you're going to move into a bus tomorrow.

509
00:45:28,514 --> 00:45:30,534
Just incrementally get her there.

510
00:45:31,034 --> 00:45:35,254
You have to move her into a mansion with no heater AC for a year and a half before you do the bus.

511
00:45:35,254 --> 00:45:39,914
It's a playbook that it's got to be thought out or you do that to your wife.

512
00:45:39,914 --> 00:45:44,694
You say this like a man who's had men go to their wives as a result of hearing you talk before.

513
00:45:45,334 --> 00:45:46,914
We're moving into a...

514
00:45:46,914 --> 00:45:53,114
Yeah, I've walked fixer uppers with married couples and the husband's just like,

515
00:45:53,234 --> 00:45:54,474
yeah, it's going to be so amazing.

516
00:45:54,894 --> 00:45:59,094
He has like no idea how to do anything with tools or anything.

517
00:45:59,274 --> 00:46:00,874
And he's like, it's going to be amazing.

518
00:46:00,974 --> 00:46:02,894
We're going to turn in this and we saw this on HGV.

519
00:46:02,894 --> 00:46:09,394
and his wife's like, you know, she's just like got this look on her face of just terror. And,

520
00:46:09,394 --> 00:46:15,074
and I say, Hey man, like, I don't think God's calling you to buy this property. Like I think

521
00:46:15,074 --> 00:46:21,854
that we need to, and that's, that's the side of it is, is the risk doing calculated analysis of

522
00:46:21,854 --> 00:46:30,334
the risk here. You know, if I buy this four wheeler for $1,100 and can't sell it because I

523
00:46:30,334 --> 00:46:37,714
don't know like okay i lost 1100 but like like don't take on uh the that is part of the learning

524
00:46:37,714 --> 00:46:44,694
like all these things with bitcoin like you don't want to go cash in your whole charles schwab

525
00:46:44,694 --> 00:46:52,154
account and and use the wrong exchange and get eat up in fees and then it goes into like you can't

526
00:46:52,154 --> 00:46:56,234
transfer it to cold storage properly because you try to do it all at one whatever like all these

527
00:46:56,234 --> 00:47:05,034
you got to learn these things, little increments where the mistakes aren't your whole life savings,

528
00:47:05,034 --> 00:47:09,934
you know, and, but you have to do it. Like it's, you know, I've talked with like Rory Groves,

529
00:47:09,974 --> 00:47:15,674
like if you want to learn how to grow food, it's not, I'm going to get a bunch of seeds

530
00:47:15,674 --> 00:47:21,254
and keep them in the closet, you know? And then when the zombie apocalypse hits, I'm going to have a,

531
00:47:21,254 --> 00:47:28,394
uh, amazing garden. Like you got to start with a, uh, tomato plant in a pot on your front porch.

532
00:47:28,394 --> 00:47:33,314
And, and that's, I guess that's another side of the story is, is I'm feeling like,

533
00:47:33,314 --> 00:47:39,334
and my wife and I are talking about this. We, we went big, man. Like we, we, we kept going bigger

534
00:47:39,334 --> 00:47:45,674
and, and, you know, we, we can look back and we, it's, it's working out. It's fine. But we can also

535
00:47:45,674 --> 00:47:53,354
say like we honestly we had to just had to confess this in the last year or so we don't we're sorry

536
00:47:53,354 --> 00:48:01,654
lord for the lack of stewardship here you know i mean having you know tractors and skid steers and

537
00:48:01,654 --> 00:48:07,914
trailers and storage buildings and buses and and the mansion with people staying in it and vehicles

538
00:48:07,914 --> 00:48:15,314
and kids and church and it's like all these things that take time and and when you're not

539
00:48:15,314 --> 00:48:21,534
uh, watch and animals too. Like we, Oh, let's start a homestead. Why not? Like we got seven

540
00:48:21,534 --> 00:48:26,734
businesses. Let's do another one. And I think that's, you know, the other side of is, is don't

541
00:48:26,734 --> 00:48:34,114
be distracted and overextend yourself either. There's, there's an, and even I've done that.

542
00:48:34,114 --> 00:48:40,894
And I've had to, like, we, we got a milk cow and my wife was like, I am doing an hour and an hour

543
00:48:40,894 --> 00:48:45,574
of work for $32 gross product.

544
00:48:45,574 --> 00:48:45,934
Yeah.

545
00:48:45,934 --> 00:48:49,994
You know, and, and realize, but the same side of it is like, okay, we, we sold the

546
00:48:49,994 --> 00:48:52,534
cow, um, at a loss.

547
00:48:52,534 --> 00:48:55,134
We sold the milk machine basically for about what we pay.

548
00:48:55,134 --> 00:49:00,834
We lost shipping on the milk machine to somebody at church and they already had a couple cows.

549
00:49:00,834 --> 00:49:03,034
So they're at a little bit more economy of scale.

550
00:49:03,034 --> 00:49:05,754
I was going to say economies of scale are a real thing and they're a blessing.

551
00:49:05,754 --> 00:49:06,094
Yeah.

552
00:49:06,094 --> 00:49:06,594
Yeah.

553
00:49:06,594 --> 00:49:14,214
And so, but, but ultimately that is a very concrete lesson that I learned last year.

554
00:49:14,314 --> 00:49:19,794
You know, I actually should be remodeling houses and buying milk.

555
00:49:19,954 --> 00:49:20,494
Yeah.

556
00:49:20,554 --> 00:49:24,314
That's, I should not be milking and remodeling.

557
00:49:24,314 --> 00:49:31,534
And my remodels are suffering because I'm having to put fencing in for this cow and go get hay.

558
00:49:31,534 --> 00:49:42,214
And so there's all these things that like, it's still happening to me that it being really, really good at one or two things and focusing on that.

559
00:49:42,214 --> 00:49:48,854
And then just committing to that process of learning it, learning the business, learning the downsides.

560
00:49:48,854 --> 00:49:52,494
And, and, and it, you know, I'm at nine years of construction.

561
00:49:52,794 --> 00:50:05,441
This is about the point where I feel like I may not die in this business You know like it it taken so long to learn how to do it how to charge enough how to communicate

562
00:50:05,441 --> 00:50:09,021
And I'm still failing all the time.

563
00:50:09,021 --> 00:50:15,001
It's a lot to manage, but you want to, you want to have those lessons smaller when you

564
00:50:15,001 --> 00:50:19,801
have less kids and the more you have them now, the better equipped you're going to be

565
00:50:19,801 --> 00:50:22,021
later and the more money you're going to have.

566
00:50:22,021 --> 00:50:28,661
I mean, that's, I had no idea how I felt like an idiot paying what I paid for this land,

567
00:50:28,661 --> 00:50:35,561
but I don't anymore. I mean, it's only been two and a half years since I bought one track and like

568
00:50:35,561 --> 00:50:40,501
three years, but it's, it felt like so much, but my wife and I were like, you know what?

569
00:50:41,181 --> 00:50:46,461
No matter how much we pay today, there's going to be a family reunion in three generations.

570
00:50:46,461 --> 00:50:51,701
And they're going to say, can you believe what grandpa Nate got this track for? Like,

571
00:50:51,701 --> 00:50:57,261
It's just, that's just a thing that is gonna, um, and that's why we ended up in the bus for

572
00:50:57,261 --> 00:51:02,701
three and a half years instead of one and a half is cause we could buy more.

573
00:51:03,081 --> 00:51:06,101
And I told my wife, I'm like, I got 400 grand.

574
00:51:06,941 --> 00:51:11,421
Um, I could build you a house or I can buy a lot more land.

575
00:51:11,421 --> 00:51:17,661
And I don't know when I'm going to build you the house and, and, and, and make, and I,

576
00:51:17,741 --> 00:51:21,401
my wife was like, get, she literally just said, get the land, you know, that's forever.

577
00:51:21,701 --> 00:51:51,561
And I think she regretted it, uh, at like two or three months before we got into the house, you know, but, and that, that's what a friend of mine said. You don't dig up and doubt what you planted in faith. And I actually can look back on the last several years and say, we've invested this and we've swung for the fences, if you will, with a multi-generational vision, you know, and, uh, I wanted the reason I have 54 acres.

578
00:51:51,701 --> 00:51:55,321
is because I really want to build a house for every one of my kids.

579
00:51:55,581 --> 00:52:01,281
I want them to be able to live on this parcel if they want to.

580
00:52:01,381 --> 00:52:05,901
I don't want my kids to have to face that entry, buying a house.

581
00:52:06,021 --> 00:52:10,801
My goal is that they have a house and no debt on that house.

582
00:52:11,161 --> 00:52:13,061
You know, I don't know if I'm going to be able to pull it off.

583
00:52:13,261 --> 00:52:15,061
The younger kids might benefit from that one.

584
00:52:15,121 --> 00:52:16,041
The older one may not.

585
00:52:16,641 --> 00:52:19,381
But essentially, and I don't even believe,

586
00:52:19,381 --> 00:52:22,041
This is something that John Moody, we've talked about him.

587
00:52:22,361 --> 00:52:23,321
Shout out to John Moody.

588
00:52:23,841 --> 00:52:34,881
That's an Eastern mentality around wealth and that we're growing something as a family and that we're all working in this together.

589
00:52:35,161 --> 00:52:38,041
And the West doesn't understand this the same way.

590
00:52:38,361 --> 00:52:42,321
And I've heard so many Christian people be like, my kid's got to earn it.

591
00:52:42,401 --> 00:52:45,661
It's like, your kid is earning it right now.

592
00:52:45,661 --> 00:52:54,761
Like my kids are, this house, this entire house is set for hanging drywall, putting shingles on it and laying the block.

593
00:52:54,901 --> 00:52:56,181
My kids and I did.

594
00:52:56,921 --> 00:53:02,421
Like they built this house, which is essentially my wealth, but it's our family wealth.

595
00:53:02,541 --> 00:53:03,581
And we talked about it.

596
00:53:03,621 --> 00:53:05,381
Why did we lay it out this way?

597
00:53:05,461 --> 00:53:10,661
We laid it out this way so we could have a hundred people around the piano singing psalms.

598
00:53:10,661 --> 00:53:15,741
Psalms. We're creating a physical place for spiritually significant things to happen.

599
00:53:16,781 --> 00:53:23,621
Um, it's not, we didn't live in that bus to try to get this grand thing. Uh, we're trying to do

600
00:53:23,621 --> 00:53:29,101
something generationally beneficial and it's painful three and a half years. I've said it

601
00:53:29,101 --> 00:53:34,281
many times, three years in a bus is nothing to three generations. It's nothing, you know? And,

602
00:53:34,281 --> 00:53:39,121
and in the middle of it, I had to say to, so we had to say this to each other.

603
00:53:39,121 --> 00:53:46,781
this is our out west moment but guess what nobody's gonna scalp us in the middle of the night

604
00:53:46,781 --> 00:53:53,121
you know and that's literally what people did not very long ago they got in a covered wagon

605
00:53:53,121 --> 00:54:01,841
with with nine kids and one on the way and they went west to stake a claim you know and and and

606
00:54:01,841 --> 00:54:06,921
died and had i mean i we're talking about uh it's in theory they all died of dysentery on the

607
00:54:06,921 --> 00:54:07,941
Oregon Trail.

608
00:54:08,401 --> 00:54:10,741
They didn't even realize they were drinking

609
00:54:10,741 --> 00:54:12,321
fecal matter, you know?

610
00:54:12,361 --> 00:54:14,781
They don't understand water quality and all these things.

611
00:54:15,281 --> 00:54:17,221
That is not happening to you.

612
00:54:17,541 --> 00:54:19,141
Stop acting like that

613
00:54:19,141 --> 00:54:20,921
is what's happening here because

614
00:54:20,921 --> 00:54:22,701
you can't get your

615
00:54:22,701 --> 00:54:24,241
Netflix to stream

616
00:54:24,241 --> 00:54:26,281
quickly enough or whatever.

617
00:54:26,521 --> 00:54:28,941
It's buffering. This is ridiculous.

618
00:54:29,441 --> 00:54:30,241
What's going on with the internet?

619
00:54:30,661 --> 00:54:33,201
That's the kind of stuff that people...

620
00:54:33,201 --> 00:54:34,481
We're weak.

621
00:54:35,381 --> 00:54:36,741
And the church is...

622
00:54:36,921 --> 00:54:39,101
is just as guilty.

623
00:54:39,961 --> 00:54:41,621
Like, I mean, not just as guilty.

624
00:54:41,921 --> 00:54:44,421
We do, like, but even Christian education,

625
00:54:44,601 --> 00:54:47,201
I mock a lot of that.

626
00:54:47,401 --> 00:54:49,921
It's like, you guys are doing the same thing

627
00:54:49,921 --> 00:54:51,441
the government schools do.

628
00:54:51,961 --> 00:54:55,421
The same time that everybody gets dropped off

629
00:54:55,421 --> 00:54:58,521
and we think, because we sprinkle a little Jesus on top,

630
00:54:58,781 --> 00:55:00,201
it's Christian education.

631
00:55:00,201 --> 00:55:04,641
Like, what is the end that we're preparing these kids for?

632
00:55:04,801 --> 00:55:05,501
It's ridiculous.

633
00:55:05,501 --> 00:55:09,921
Like, and why are we letting that family in?

634
00:55:10,241 --> 00:55:14,641
You know, like they don't even believe like we believe.

635
00:55:14,841 --> 00:55:19,841
Like it's, and they're causing the problems, you know, like why are they even here?

636
00:55:20,401 --> 00:55:23,501
And, but that's also why homeschool.

637
00:55:23,801 --> 00:55:24,821
It's like, y'all do that.

638
00:55:25,061 --> 00:55:28,741
Y'all keep on doing your glorious, you know, whatever this is.

639
00:55:28,741 --> 00:55:33,061
We were just talking about this this morning because we were talking, we were reading through,

640
00:55:33,061 --> 00:55:38,541
reading 1 Corinthians 5 or 6, 10?

641
00:55:39,001 --> 00:55:39,541
Is it 10?

642
00:55:39,961 --> 00:55:42,021
Okay, 1 Corinthians 10, where he's talking about,

643
00:55:43,281 --> 00:55:44,241
oh, I think it's five.

644
00:55:44,541 --> 00:55:46,441
But it was like a little leaven leavens the whole lump.

645
00:55:46,641 --> 00:55:49,581
And so we were talking just about how that works.

646
00:55:49,801 --> 00:55:52,241
And it's just like, yeah, like God has made,

647
00:55:52,301 --> 00:55:54,541
so we talk a lot about the principle of sowing and reaping

648
00:55:54,541 --> 00:55:55,481
on this podcast.

649
00:55:55,481 --> 00:55:57,621
And so we just talk about how God,

650
00:55:57,721 --> 00:55:58,761
it's not just sowing and reaping,

651
00:55:58,801 --> 00:56:01,081
because that makes it sound like it's a one-to-one equation,

652
00:56:01,081 --> 00:56:04,861
but it's like, it's, it's sowing and then exponential reaping. Like you're going to get

653
00:56:04,861 --> 00:56:10,141
exponentially more of what you do today. And so God has designed this to be something that blesses

654
00:56:10,141 --> 00:56:15,521
us. And that again, motivates us because we see that this is a fixed and immutable thing that God

655
00:56:15,521 --> 00:56:20,021
has built into the world. The apostle Paul says that we can't, we can't deny that reality without

656
00:56:20,021 --> 00:56:24,581
mocking God. It's so obvious that this is how God has made the world to work. And yet there are so

657
00:56:24,581 --> 00:56:29,901
many things like you just described, whether it's education, whether it's spending, you know,

658
00:56:29,901 --> 00:56:34,241
tons of time watching movies and, you know, whatever it is, like where, you know, if you're

659
00:56:34,241 --> 00:56:40,781
sewing certain patterns, then you're going to get a predictable, a predictable outcome. Even if

660
00:56:40,781 --> 00:56:45,181
there's a variety, there's a variety of, of bad manifestations that could come from it, you know,

661
00:56:45,181 --> 00:56:51,821
it's going to be not good. And so again, I just think for, for a lot of us, we, we live in a world

662
00:56:51,821 --> 00:56:57,261
that is at odds with reality. We live in a world that's at odds with, that wants to just act like

663
00:56:57,261 --> 00:56:58,481
We can have our cake and eat it too.

664
00:56:58,881 --> 00:57:00,601
We don't like either or choices.

665
00:57:00,921 --> 00:57:02,261
We want to have everything.

666
00:57:03,301 --> 00:57:10,761
And I just think that, again, it's the people who are willing to come to grips with the fact that that's not how the world works.

667
00:57:10,801 --> 00:57:17,961
And it's not how God made the world to operate and who are willing to make tough choices and deny themselves.

668
00:57:18,481 --> 00:57:19,541
This is just part and parcel.

669
00:57:19,681 --> 00:57:21,261
This is just normal Christianity.

670
00:57:21,561 --> 00:57:22,461
Just deny yourself.

671
00:57:22,461 --> 00:57:24,981
I think that again they're going to

672
00:57:24,981 --> 00:57:27,021
continue to reap the benefits of that

673
00:57:27,021 --> 00:57:27,721
over time

674
00:57:27,721 --> 00:57:30,321
I mean how do you

675
00:57:30,321 --> 00:57:33,101
I'm trying to think in terms of people who are listening to this

676
00:57:33,101 --> 00:57:35,001
again because what we have is we have people

677
00:57:35,001 --> 00:57:36,961
we have a lot of people who

678
00:57:36,961 --> 00:57:38,881
again are new Christians

679
00:57:38,881 --> 00:57:40,921
who listen to these kind of things so it can be kind of

680
00:57:40,921 --> 00:57:42,521
discouraging because they can be looking at

681
00:57:42,521 --> 00:57:44,821
they can look at situations and they're like oh man

682
00:57:44,821 --> 00:57:46,801
I'm so far behind on this or

683
00:57:46,801 --> 00:57:48,981
man I've had my kids in public school

684
00:57:48,981 --> 00:57:50,981
or I've had my kids in these things

685
00:57:50,981 --> 00:57:53,441
and maybe that either went fine,

686
00:57:53,761 --> 00:57:54,761
so maybe they would push back

687
00:57:54,761 --> 00:57:55,381
or they would say,

688
00:57:55,721 --> 00:57:57,121
oh man, and it really didn't go well.

689
00:57:57,441 --> 00:57:58,521
How do you encourage people

690
00:57:58,521 --> 00:58:01,021
maybe who are a little bit farther down a road

691
00:58:01,021 --> 00:58:02,861
that they wish they weren't on?

692
00:58:04,161 --> 00:58:05,741
How would you encourage people

693
00:58:05,741 --> 00:58:07,341
who again are kind of just seeing

694
00:58:07,341 --> 00:58:08,541
some of these things for the first time?

695
00:58:09,581 --> 00:58:11,161
Yeah, I think that one of the things

696
00:58:11,161 --> 00:58:12,081
that I am feeling,

697
00:58:12,341 --> 00:58:16,881
even with that back to that overextending

698
00:58:16,881 --> 00:58:19,901
and feeling like I wasn't stewarding,

699
00:58:19,901 --> 00:58:38,481
Like clearly just seeing having animals die, not because we did anything overly negligent, but just like there is a real physical manifestation to the fact that a predator got in here or, you know, like we didn't supervise this or whatever.

700
00:58:38,481 --> 00:58:40,241
Like it's with the farm.

701
00:58:40,361 --> 00:58:41,601
There's just things that happen.

702
00:58:41,721 --> 00:58:42,121
Yeah.

703
00:58:42,141 --> 00:58:43,701
There's so much stuff happening.

704
00:58:43,701 --> 00:58:48,021
Like it, it is, um, I just, God is outside of time.

705
00:58:48,341 --> 00:58:49,041
You know?

706
00:58:49,041 --> 00:58:52,621
He did institute it, and it is ordered that way.

707
00:58:52,741 --> 00:59:00,001
And it's his joke on scarcity and supply and demand is combine everybody to time.

708
00:59:00,561 --> 00:59:09,421
And so that's literally how you can take his word, start reading it, and start in Proverbs, start in those things.

709
00:59:09,561 --> 00:59:15,321
And I think one of the things I've really been friends of mine, we've been talking about a lot, is prayer.

710
00:59:15,321 --> 00:59:18,321
and acknowledging that.

711
00:59:18,601 --> 00:59:21,021
I think in our current American culture,

712
00:59:21,221 --> 00:59:25,281
we emphasize a quiet time where you read the Bible,

713
00:59:26,061 --> 00:59:30,061
but we don't really talk about praying

714
00:59:30,061 --> 00:59:31,961
and how you pray

715
00:59:31,961 --> 00:59:36,881
and understanding that God is our Father.

716
00:59:37,581 --> 00:59:39,721
He is everything that,

717
00:59:40,041 --> 00:59:43,381
anything our earthly fathers did that was good,

718
00:59:43,521 --> 00:59:44,761
He's that infinite.

719
00:59:45,321 --> 00:59:50,321
And anything they did that was bad is of the father of lies, not God.

720
00:59:50,681 --> 00:59:51,701
He's perfect.

721
00:59:52,161 --> 00:59:52,781
He's eternal.

722
00:59:52,781 --> 00:59:56,381
And I think that you can see the pattern of scripture.

723
00:59:56,601 --> 01:00:02,001
He desires to bless those who fear him and keep his commandments.

724
01:00:02,761 --> 01:00:11,201
So just start doing that and realize that even though it feels like we're all confined to time,

725
01:00:11,201 --> 01:00:16,661
He's outside of that and is able to bless you as he sees fit.

726
01:00:17,261 --> 01:00:21,101
And so take that small amount of faithfulness right now,

727
01:00:21,541 --> 01:00:23,101
confess your sin quickly,

728
01:00:23,781 --> 01:00:26,741
get around people that point out your sin and realize,

729
01:00:26,841 --> 01:00:28,541
I mean, that's one of the hard things, I think,

730
01:00:28,701 --> 01:00:32,241
when your wife is pinpointing your sin,

731
01:00:33,181 --> 01:00:35,241
you can, as a man, can be like,

732
01:00:35,661 --> 01:00:38,981
she hates me or she's just not going to submit to my godly.

733
01:00:38,981 --> 01:00:47,721
Like if I'm sinning, she it's like she's actually helping me become a version that I'm supposed to be.

734
01:00:47,801 --> 01:00:49,121
She doesn't hate me.

735
01:00:49,221 --> 01:00:50,201
She hates this.

736
01:00:50,541 --> 01:00:52,201
What the sin is turning me into.

737
01:00:52,321 --> 01:01:03,681
And the same thing, like just realize like when you we read these, like you have to believe when you read the Bible that that is the best way to do things.

738
01:01:03,681 --> 01:01:06,881
And there's all these like read the Old Testament.

739
01:01:06,881 --> 01:01:12,761
Like they tried almost every single way, not God's way.

740
01:01:12,941 --> 01:01:15,401
But what did he still do?

741
01:01:15,861 --> 01:01:33,001
Like as soon as they confessed, as soon as they tore down their idols, as soon as a new judge came in for the Israelites and they cleansed themselves, there was blessing like immediately.

742
01:01:33,001 --> 01:01:41,201
like in in and so that's the side of it is is um you have to forsake sin you have to realize that

743
01:01:41,201 --> 01:01:49,381
that's killing you that that is um and in and and drive towards holiness and i in so and get around

744
01:01:49,381 --> 01:01:55,881
more people that are doing that and are willing to are are living that way um i've been forwarding

745
01:01:55,881 --> 01:02:00,041
a friend of mine forwarded to me i've been forwarded everybody jc ryle a call to prayer

746
01:02:00,041 --> 01:02:06,701
and it's like 27 pages on a PDF free available.

747
01:02:07,261 --> 01:02:09,521
And I just read through it this past weekend.

748
01:02:09,521 --> 01:02:14,341
I told my kids like this will be read before Sunday and it's testable.

749
01:02:15,341 --> 01:02:19,241
But realizing like we've been reading the Bible,

750
01:02:19,461 --> 01:02:22,381
we've been going through the catechism, we've been in church,

751
01:02:22,381 --> 01:02:29,981
but am I teaching my children to pray and to confess their sin to God

752
01:02:29,981 --> 01:02:38,781
every single day and then also pray, what am I supposed to do, God? I literally was

753
01:02:38,781 --> 01:02:49,301
in lament. I bought this land, God. We're still on the bus. I bought this land. We aren't in the

754
01:02:49,301 --> 01:02:56,101
house. It isn't finished. The mansion's got this. Somebody clogged the toilet or the basement

755
01:02:56,101 --> 01:03:01,461
flooded because of sump pump and like, what am I supposed to do? I can't even keep all this up.

756
01:03:01,801 --> 01:03:08,601
Like, and, and then there's just like, almost like, you're right. You can't like, you need me.

757
01:03:08,841 --> 01:03:14,321
Here's some blessing. And, and, and it's not a prosperity gospel at all because he could

758
01:03:14,321 --> 01:03:21,601
literally just want me to suffer the rest of my life, you know, but at the same time, I'm like,

759
01:03:21,601 --> 01:03:30,121
For me personally, I can look back to I am reaping what I sowed with sin.

760
01:03:30,881 --> 01:03:41,141
And going through the cardinal sin, sloth is not necessarily like you're just laying around drunk and whatever.

761
01:03:41,321 --> 01:03:46,041
It's doing something with your time that you're not supposed to be doing.

762
01:03:46,481 --> 01:03:47,801
And that's not fruitful.

763
01:03:47,801 --> 01:04:10,421
And so, I mean, I think that that's, my mother and father-in-law are first generation Christians and made mistakes, you know, but their daughter is amazing, the most amazing person on the workplace, the planet, and my wife, and that they just literally made in one generation, and they messed a lot of things up.

764
01:04:10,421 --> 01:04:14,561
But God is faithful in what they did.

765
01:04:15,041 --> 01:04:20,981
And I think that hopefully they can look at their grandkids and be like, this is a blessing.

766
01:04:21,421 --> 01:04:25,721
In one generation, you can change the course.

767
01:04:26,161 --> 01:04:35,821
And he desires to bless to a thousand generations for those who fear him and keep his commandments.

768
01:04:35,821 --> 01:04:37,841
And that's no other gods.

769
01:04:37,981 --> 01:04:39,781
Thou shall have no other gods before me.

770
01:04:39,781 --> 01:04:47,961
no other gods, you know? So what gods do you have that are taking his place? And, you know,

771
01:04:48,161 --> 01:04:53,121
and, and, and it can be, I don't know what it is for every one of these people listening, but

772
01:04:53,121 --> 01:04:58,301
you should, something probably just came to your mind right away. Tear it down, destroy it

773
01:04:58,301 --> 01:05:05,481
immediately. And, and, and do, and it's going to come back, do it again, you know, and, and,

774
01:05:05,481 --> 01:05:12,241
and be around people. That's the benefit of this. The church is where there's people that are

775
01:05:12,241 --> 01:05:16,021
serious. And if you're not, you're looking around and the people aren't tearing down idols in their

776
01:05:16,021 --> 01:05:22,061
life and serious about sin and confessing, then move to another church. Like that's the, who you

777
01:05:22,061 --> 01:05:29,081
marry is most important. Uh, after that, your church and your community around the church,

778
01:05:29,081 --> 01:05:34,621
you don't have it like, and there's, don't say, Oh, you know, the church is just a bunch of

779
01:05:34,621 --> 01:05:40,761
hypocrites dang straight bunch of hypocrites like look at all of god's people hypocrites sinners

780
01:05:40,761 --> 01:05:49,121
terrible like god you know um and and start a little bit and and just watch what he does like

781
01:05:49,121 --> 01:05:57,221
it's it's it will it will you may it may take you may have to reap a lot before it gets reversed

782
01:05:57,221 --> 01:06:02,621
but also god gets to decide that like he's gracious enough to be like no you don't have

783
01:06:02,621 --> 01:06:06,421
to reap anything now. Like you can best do. I don't, I don't know how he works it out, but he

784
01:06:06,421 --> 01:06:11,141
will. Yeah. And the, the accounting for that is, you know, the, the Lord also talks about, um,

785
01:06:11,301 --> 01:06:15,701
he will restore the years that the locusts have eaten. So there's been years that were lost because

786
01:06:15,701 --> 01:06:21,841
of, you know, entrenchment in sin or whatever. And he loves to restore. He, again, he's not bound

787
01:06:21,841 --> 01:06:29,201
by time. He does, he does have normal ways and stuff, but like we, we also forget that, uh,

788
01:06:29,201 --> 01:06:32,921
repentance is a certain type of sowing that produces a type of reaping.

789
01:06:33,241 --> 01:06:39,901
And so like, again, we, you don't want to get too overwhelmed by the, you know, the,

790
01:06:39,948 --> 01:06:44,988
whatever the sin you've fallen into, whatever it is, because you can just take, you can overlook

791
01:06:44,988 --> 01:06:56,048
how quickly and how much God as a good father loves to restore and just help, just bring us out of,

792
01:06:56,528 --> 01:07:01,668
just like any good father would want to bring his kid quickly and just elevate him and bring him

793
01:07:01,668 --> 01:07:06,288
back. We see this in the story, the parable of the prodigal, the two sons who were lost.

794
01:07:06,288 --> 01:07:11,708
like we see this and, and how the father, while the, while the youngest son who's returning from

795
01:07:11,708 --> 01:07:15,568
his, you know, wasteful living and all these kinds of things, he's trying to get his story

796
01:07:15,568 --> 01:07:19,908
out of how he's going to work for the father. The father just takes him as like, bring the best robe,

797
01:07:20,028 --> 01:07:24,668
like immediately wraps him up, you know, puts him in the best things, uh, even though he's,

798
01:07:24,788 --> 01:07:30,248
he's not worthy of any of it. And so this is what it looks like to, you know, to, to, um,

799
01:07:30,708 --> 01:07:34,128
you know, to be, this is the type of father that we have. And I think that one of the things,

800
01:07:34,128 --> 01:07:36,928
you're talking about prayer. The thing that one of the things that's convicting, right, is

801
01:07:36,928 --> 01:07:43,828
it's so easy to just to treat prayer as like a, as a transactional thing, or, you know, even if

802
01:07:43,828 --> 01:07:50,108
like it's, it's a good thing to pray before meals, you know, but it's so easy to just, all right,

803
01:07:50,108 --> 01:07:53,368
Lord, thank you so much for your love for us. Thank you for this food. We just ask that you'd

804
01:07:53,368 --> 01:07:59,868
bless our time. And so it's just, it's easy to treat coming before God as just this thing,

805
01:07:59,868 --> 01:08:04,028
as if the only thing that he's there for

806
01:08:04,028 --> 01:08:07,468
is for us to thank him for the things that we have.

807
01:08:07,568 --> 01:08:08,588
There are many things that we have,

808
01:08:08,728 --> 01:08:11,008
but it's just so easy to forget

809
01:08:11,008 --> 01:08:13,168
that he wants to have real communion with us.

810
01:08:13,888 --> 01:08:15,928
And again, he basically tells us all the time,

811
01:08:16,008 --> 01:08:17,168
you have not because you ask not.

812
01:08:17,548 --> 01:08:19,208
Like there's all kinds of things

813
01:08:19,208 --> 01:08:23,328
where I'm too busy trying to earn

814
01:08:23,328 --> 01:08:26,548
or too busy trying to do all these cool things

815
01:08:26,548 --> 01:08:29,008
to just stop and just ask the Lord

816
01:08:29,008 --> 01:08:34,068
to help me with them. And I just think I've seen, again, like you mentioned, I've seen

817
01:08:34,068 --> 01:08:39,908
a hundred million times. There's so many, so many times where the Lord, even though he tells us that

818
01:08:39,908 --> 01:08:46,788
he wants us to be like children and he wants us to rely on him like children, we often despise

819
01:08:46,788 --> 01:08:52,608
being children. And it's easy to despise being a little child who's dependent on their father.

820
01:08:52,788 --> 01:08:57,328
And so I think that a lot of these things are just great reminders. We need to be reminded of

821
01:08:57,328 --> 01:09:00,988
stuff that we know and have heard before. And so I think this has been a great example of that.

822
01:09:01,048 --> 01:09:04,928
Oshawa, do you have anything else you want to add? Yeah. Well, just as reflecting on,

823
01:09:04,928 --> 01:09:09,748
uh, Nathan, as you've been sharing a couple, uh, Proverbs that illustrate it well,

824
01:09:09,748 --> 01:09:16,468
uh, Proverbs 24, 27, prepare your work outside, get everything ready for yourself in the field.

825
01:09:16,708 --> 01:09:21,828
And after that, build your house. So for all you guys living in a bus, you got a proof text

826
01:09:21,828 --> 01:09:28,308
to share with your wife yeah oh i i've used that uh many times actually i'm like we're building the

827
01:09:28,308 --> 01:09:33,548
field babe you know like it's we're putting fence our cows are living nicer than us right now you

828
01:09:33,548 --> 01:09:39,268
know it's okay that's what we're supposed to do yeah and but i mean that so the the principle of

829
01:09:39,268 --> 01:09:44,848
like we need to plant this seed we need something that is going to have that exponential growth that

830
01:09:44,848 --> 01:09:52,688
will provide generationally. And for now we can like, we can give up some comforts, um, for that,

831
01:09:52,788 --> 01:09:59,608
that future generational harvest. And then another one is, uh, is Proverbs 14, four, where there are

832
01:09:59,608 --> 01:10:06,908
no ox in the manger is clean, but abundant crops comes by the strength of the ox. And, and just

833
01:10:06,908 --> 01:10:14,048
being willing to have, have a little bit of chaos in your life and, and to put in the work and to

834
01:10:14,048 --> 01:10:20,208
get out the shovel and shovel the manure because that's where abundance comes from.

835
01:10:21,208 --> 01:10:29,428
And I think of a recent stat going around Twitter about the pay discrepancy between men and women.

836
01:10:30,188 --> 01:10:33,168
And they made the point, it's not about male or female.

837
01:10:33,888 --> 01:10:36,968
It's married men and everyone else.

838
01:10:37,948 --> 01:10:38,648
Right?

839
01:10:38,648 --> 01:10:55,628
And statistically, if you ask, okay, the men who are married, you compare them to single men and women, married or single, and it's the dudes with an ox they have to clean up after and a wife they have to house that are getting it done.

840
01:10:55,628 --> 01:11:01,688
and that's something I think either single guys, younger guys, or even newly married guys that are

841
01:11:01,688 --> 01:11:09,288
making decisions about having kids, like you do have to take that step of faith. You have to

842
01:11:09,288 --> 01:11:14,048
fall on your knees in prayer, trust in God, and it grows our faith. Like we learn to pray

843
01:11:14,048 --> 01:11:21,368
when we don't have all that provision. And I just think men are designed for that. Like we're

844
01:11:21,368 --> 01:11:28,048
called to walk in these things and we, we short change it and short circuit God's design.

845
01:11:28,048 --> 01:11:35,228
Uh, and in the Bitcoin world, right. We, we, we talk about fiat and, and breaking the,

846
01:11:35,228 --> 01:11:40,968
the sowing and reaping and just having things easy and outsourcing things to the state.

847
01:11:41,568 --> 01:11:47,248
And, and it's like, well, no, if you actually, you do the hard work, you trust God, uh, that

848
01:11:47,248 --> 01:11:53,788
what he says is true and you actually do those things, there really is fruit and a harvest.

849
01:11:54,568 --> 01:12:01,368
And going back to kind of originally your answer to the question about like, how do you do this?

850
01:12:01,368 --> 01:12:06,048
And you said you got through your ranger training and all that because you got to be willing to do

851
01:12:06,048 --> 01:12:11,608
things that other people aren't willing to do. You got to deal with your own fears and the

852
01:12:11,608 --> 01:12:18,288
the psychology of it. Um, and I think like, that's where things like Bitcoin come in. That's where

853
01:12:18,288 --> 01:12:24,468
applying the Bible come in that like, you have all these guys that are working hard and there's,

854
01:12:24,468 --> 01:12:30,788
there's worldly men, there's the, the, uh, the Andrew Tates of the world. And, and there's like,

855
01:12:30,868 --> 01:12:38,108
there's, there's like a godless way to try to succeed at life. And, and you can cut corners

856
01:12:38,108 --> 01:12:44,208
in godless ways. And then there's like some really sweet biblical hacks that God gives us

857
01:12:44,208 --> 01:12:51,008
where, where we kind of get cutseys and, and can get in the, in the fast lane to fruitfulness.

858
01:12:52,008 --> 01:12:54,488
Um, so I don't know. It was easy.

859
01:12:54,488 --> 01:13:01,668
The thing too is, is as we continue to see our society fundamentally change,

860
01:13:01,668 --> 01:13:13,888
those of us that have had kids like it the the having a workforce like a human workforce that

861
01:13:13,888 --> 01:13:20,708
you also like to hang out with you know like i mean it's that's the coolest thing about building

862
01:13:20,708 --> 01:13:27,308
the house you know and we went to we have like a local like discipleship group for men and

863
01:13:27,308 --> 01:13:35,348
or young boys and girls and they did generators um for my the younger group and my son was like in

864
01:13:35,348 --> 01:13:40,048
the car and he was like i was able to raise my hand for every one of the things that they talked

865
01:13:40,048 --> 01:13:45,108
about for electrical they said did you see inside your meter box have you pulled a wire like because

866
01:13:45,108 --> 01:13:52,348
he had just like he was he's nine and i had him in the crawl space pulling wire from the panel

867
01:13:52,348 --> 01:13:57,508
like you know no electricity hooked up but it's like i pushed the wire down through the hole

868
01:13:57,508 --> 01:14:02,548
and i said i had a little a rod going down i'm like i'm pushing down through this hole and it

869
01:14:02,548 --> 01:14:07,448
needs to come up over here and we just did it looped it through and we wired and my electrician

870
01:14:07,448 --> 01:14:13,848
came and hooked everything up but he basically my sons and i pulled all the wire in the crawl space

871
01:14:13,848 --> 01:14:20,948
in the attic and we did it we did it so fast like we had walkie talkies and and i but i had to tell

872
01:14:20,948 --> 01:14:27,788
I'm like, you're going in the crawl space because you're tiny and daddy's elbows and

873
01:14:27,788 --> 01:14:30,588
knees hurt from army, you know?

874
01:14:30,868 --> 01:14:33,468
And you were, you were born for such a time as this.

875
01:14:33,848 --> 01:14:34,368
Yeah.

876
01:14:34,468 --> 01:14:40,608
And so I guess that's the real, like from the, from the, the provision side, if you

877
01:14:40,608 --> 01:14:49,328
can, can be my, my plumber, if there's like a sewage backup, he's like, smells like money,

878
01:14:49,408 --> 01:14:50,048
you know?

879
01:14:50,048 --> 01:14:58,028
I mean, if you can, if you can literally, um, you, you, you are in control of your thoughts

880
01:14:58,028 --> 01:15:05,188
about these things, you know, and that's from the physical standpoint, I would view like

881
01:15:05,188 --> 01:15:22,999
even at a cellular level like your muscle tissue being torn down so that it can be stronger And so like as I carrying this rucksack and every steps like I am getting one step closer to the finish line I am in in in so if you trying to make

882
01:15:22,999 --> 01:15:29,659
money, like what is the nastiest stuff that people don't want to do? Like in this comfort

883
01:15:29,659 --> 01:15:39,159
ridden society, I, for me, that's crawl spaces. I do, uh, structural repairs,

884
01:15:39,159 --> 01:15:46,139
on crawl spaces and not even really big ones just like oh like this we got termite damage

885
01:15:46,139 --> 01:15:53,779
but i have to disassemble stuff i have to pour piers and i have to put block in and it's like

886
01:15:53,779 --> 01:15:58,239
three or four different trades that are hard and i just i do all of it and my boys help me do it

887
01:15:58,239 --> 01:16:04,739
you know and we can get i mean i can get in and out and make five or six thousand dollars in a day

888
01:16:04,739 --> 01:16:12,819
you know like that the really good white collar jobs are not making that you know like and so

889
01:16:12,819 --> 01:16:20,259
that's the other side of it is is if you can and i i'm a huge fan of rory grove's durable trades

890
01:16:20,259 --> 01:16:30,379
um just looking at he did it just he's a computer guy but he just analyzed vocations what are the

891
01:16:30,379 --> 01:16:36,479
most like going back to the beginning of the time beginning of time before industrial revolution

892
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:45,439
what is still needed what's a job that is still here and and then i use i mean i still use ai i

893
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:51,599
still use software and things like that but it's to make it give me more time to be in the crawl

894
01:16:51,599 --> 01:16:58,339
space yeah and and i'm i'm not worried about ai getting in the crawl space anytime soon and doing

895
01:16:58,339 --> 01:17:04,839
this on an existing house and a pier and this, you know, there's a screw in the way and how do

896
01:17:04,839 --> 01:17:12,539
I pry on it? Like, there's just too many physically, um, manifested things that I, I've been doing

897
01:17:12,539 --> 01:17:17,339
this nine years. I'm like, Oh wow. I can't believe somebody did that. Like, how do I fix this? And,

898
01:17:17,339 --> 01:17:24,019
and it's, these are things that, that are, are durable and will exist. And then if you can use

899
01:17:24,019 --> 01:17:28,759
technology, like most of the blue collar guys don't have a clue about technology, you know?

900
01:17:28,759 --> 01:17:35,299
And so being able to kind of have skill in some of these different domains and pair them together,

901
01:17:35,299 --> 01:17:41,919
um, that's a skill that you can get without going to college that you can, I mean, that's,

902
01:17:42,079 --> 01:17:48,199
that's the other side of it is there's opportunities to just go and work and, and, and, and, and,

903
01:17:48,199 --> 01:17:51,259
and understand man's relationship with work.

904
01:17:51,319 --> 01:17:57,039
I know that the, um, the faith driven entrepreneur podcast, I think has

905
01:17:57,059 --> 01:17:58,759
talks about how it's a mercy.

906
01:17:58,759 --> 01:18:03,599
I heard an episode a while ago about it's a mercy that work is cursed because

907
01:18:03,599 --> 01:18:04,579
it drives us to God.

908
01:18:04,799 --> 01:18:08,719
Like, I mean, that's, that's like, you know, the Benedictine monastery.

909
01:18:09,099 --> 01:18:13,999
Like as soon as the monk got used to being in the crawl space, they had

910
01:18:13,999 --> 01:18:15,279
him go clean toilets.

911
01:18:15,279 --> 01:18:17,879
As soon as he got used to that, it's like, we, we got to keep

912
01:18:18,199 --> 01:18:25,439
the work nasty and sanctifying. And, and that's, that's also the reality is if you can,

913
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:32,079
the more of that nasty work that you can take upon yourself, the more you can organize people

914
01:18:32,079 --> 01:18:39,419
and software and stuff against that nastiness, then the more money you're going to have,

915
01:18:39,559 --> 01:18:44,279
you know? And I think that there's, I think there's tremendous opportunity in those blue

916
01:18:44,279 --> 01:18:50,939
collar for me personally that's why i look at as is you know blue collar or helping blue collar

917
01:18:50,939 --> 01:18:56,879
leverage software even if you're a nerd like these guys need my son is going through um

918
01:18:56,879 --> 01:19:05,039
an n8n you know uh thing to figure out how to get you know our crm optimized and you know it's still

919
01:19:05,039 --> 01:19:10,139
it still has to be a person i still want to interact with these potential customers but

920
01:19:10,139 --> 01:19:15,259
even leveraging some of these automations to say, look, this is going to actually help us,

921
01:19:15,259 --> 01:19:19,679
uh, get to your crawl space quicker and actually fix things for you sooner.

922
01:19:19,859 --> 01:19:25,199
If you can fill this out for us, you know, and, and there's just tremendous opportunity

923
01:19:25,199 --> 01:19:32,879
in the real, in the physical and, and, and with people. And the, that is the cheat code that,

924
01:19:32,879 --> 01:19:37,179
that, uh, the Bible gives us. I mean, you can't even make this stuff up.

925
01:19:37,179 --> 01:20:01,819
The enemy is self-destructing right now and, and churches are growing. Like it's, it's, it's so exciting for the, for what the future for our, I mean, I'm, I'm so excited about how our kids are having kids even like there's just going to be, they just, we, we have this labor force and this ability to create value that, that can't be quickly.

926
01:20:01,819 --> 01:20:07,479
that's the ultimate sowing and reaping is, is, you know, and God made it fun too. You know,

927
01:20:07,519 --> 01:20:13,739
like it, it, it's like, it's awesome. And, and you can't having a 16 year old and you have,

928
01:20:13,819 --> 01:20:20,559
you have a 19 year old. I mean, that's a lot of sowing into a young person. But then when you're

929
01:20:20,559 --> 01:20:25,439
seeing this happen, you're like, man, I, and even that just looking at it and be like a hundred

930
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:27,959
100%, that was either his mom or God.

931
01:20:28,419 --> 01:20:31,119
That was not me that did that at all.

932
01:20:33,419 --> 01:20:34,199
Well, praise the Lord.

933
01:20:35,219 --> 01:20:36,059
What's finished?

934
01:20:36,219 --> 01:20:38,319
We got, I think we've got about 10 minutes more

935
01:20:38,319 --> 01:20:39,879
based on what we gave you.

936
01:20:39,979 --> 01:20:41,719
We want to keep our word, especially the military guy.

937
01:20:42,239 --> 01:20:44,079
Astro told me he was going to be a few minutes late today.

938
01:20:44,099 --> 01:20:45,979
I was like, listen, we can't be late on the episode

939
01:20:45,979 --> 01:20:46,839
with the military guy.

940
01:20:46,919 --> 01:20:47,579
What in the world are we doing?

941
01:20:47,659 --> 01:20:49,719
Anybody that knows me, that's maybe the reason

942
01:20:49,719 --> 01:20:51,699
why I'm not in the military is I couldn't.

943
01:20:52,019 --> 01:20:54,799
One of the reasons I actually recycled Rip,

944
01:20:54,799 --> 01:20:59,359
I had to do the Ranger course again because I was 45 minutes late to formation.

945
01:20:59,759 --> 01:21:00,659
I guess that's...

946
01:21:00,659 --> 01:21:02,799
I've heard the time, showed up late.

947
01:21:03,299 --> 01:21:05,479
They're like, you're starting it all over again.

948
01:21:05,539 --> 01:21:07,859
I'm like, man, okay, here we go.

949
01:21:08,559 --> 01:21:10,719
Well, in that case, no worries.

950
01:21:11,059 --> 01:21:12,679
But in that case, we'll go for another half hour.

951
01:21:12,839 --> 01:21:13,519
No, I'm just kidding.

952
01:21:13,839 --> 01:21:15,159
So how did you...

953
01:21:15,159 --> 01:21:16,599
Tell me your Bitcoin story.

954
01:21:16,859 --> 01:21:18,219
So we kind of buried the lead here.

955
01:21:18,279 --> 01:21:22,519
You mentioned it one time, but you are a Bitcoiner and you're into...

956
01:21:22,519 --> 01:21:23,199
You have Bitcoin.

957
01:21:23,319 --> 01:21:24,659
Where did this come from?

958
01:21:24,799 --> 01:21:28,519
What, why, what was the, uh, value proposition for you initially?

959
01:21:28,799 --> 01:21:29,719
And how do you think about it today?

960
01:21:30,579 --> 01:21:30,859
Yeah.

961
01:21:30,859 --> 01:21:37,019
I, um, I have a friend back in, uh, Huntsville that I went back for like

962
01:21:37,019 --> 01:21:39,359
Christmas, I can't remember several years ago.

963
01:21:39,919 --> 01:21:42,399
And he has, I can't even remember the name of his podcast.

964
01:21:42,399 --> 01:21:47,339
He had like four or five episodes that he did with, um, a friend of his.

965
01:21:47,379 --> 01:21:53,019
And what clicked for me was they described it as, you know, real estate

966
01:21:53,019 --> 01:21:57,419
that you can divide up as small as you want and sell it.

967
01:21:57,419 --> 01:22:03,399
And so as a guy that had, I think I had, was on, I had the mansion at the time.

968
01:22:03,499 --> 01:22:05,399
I didn't have land or whatever.

969
01:22:05,779 --> 01:22:11,139
Um, but that it clicked for me then, you know, and I, I was like, okay.

970
01:22:11,259 --> 01:22:17,959
So, and I understand that, uh, I, basically if you accept that you're not going to get

971
01:22:17,959 --> 01:22:23,179
rich overnight like literally like we talked about in the proverbs like what uh wealth gain

972
01:22:23,179 --> 01:22:29,119
hastily will dwindle yeah but he who gathers little by little will increase yep so if you're

973
01:22:29,119 --> 01:22:37,919
okay with that like you just accept that i'm gonna gather little by little um and and you know it

974
01:22:37,919 --> 01:22:43,999
i think the first thing i did is i got you know my covid stimulus check 100 went to bitcoin

975
01:22:43,999 --> 01:22:50,539
let's go i was like i shouldn't be getting this money anyway this is this is ridiculous it's made

976
01:22:50,539 --> 01:22:57,419
up anyway the only way that i i ethically feel like i can use this is if i bought 100 in bitcoin

977
01:22:57,419 --> 01:23:05,419
you know um so i guess that's 2020 you know when i bought um for the first time and and i still um

978
01:23:05,419 --> 01:23:12,879
the way that i look at it i mean i'm i'm a big uh own bullets kind of guy yeah and a big

979
01:23:12,879 --> 01:23:18,699
can shorten the supply chain for your food kind of guy.

980
01:23:19,039 --> 01:23:24,399
And I'm a big, you can't, being a guy that has sat in a Humvee

981
01:23:24,399 --> 01:23:27,599
from two in the morning to four in the morning,

982
01:23:27,759 --> 01:23:29,659
had to get woke up for that shift for a week.

983
01:23:29,719 --> 01:23:32,939
I mean, my first deployment, we did three weeks at a time

984
01:23:32,939 --> 01:23:35,079
out of a Humvee with roll bars.

985
01:23:35,079 --> 01:23:40,399
And so understanding what it takes to be 40 people

986
01:23:40,399 --> 01:23:56,271
in a infantry Ranger infantry platoon out in the middle of nowhere in Afghanistan that you got to do to protect your fighting element from the enemy And how like sleep deprived you are if you going to try to do that you can do this by yourself so that the church

987
01:23:56,271 --> 01:24:02,891
has to be involved how i got to be with people that i know have a moral framework that they're

988
01:24:02,891 --> 01:24:09,551
not going to eat me you know like that like if it gets bad and so that's the other side of it is is

989
01:24:09,551 --> 01:24:16,531
I think, you know, we're in a, in the cycle of things, it's going to get harder, uh, in, in some

990
01:24:16,531 --> 01:24:22,351
ways there's going to be, you know, ultimately we're, we had the cheat manual and we were ordering

991
01:24:22,351 --> 01:24:30,331
our lives to be able to be resilient and much more. Um, but I, so my majority of my stuff has

992
01:24:30,331 --> 01:24:37,051
been a real estate play, but I also am like, I gotta own a chunk, as big a chunk as I possibly

993
01:24:37,051 --> 01:24:46,431
can of of this as a hedge in in a lot of ways and as a a you know understanding the principles of

994
01:24:46,431 --> 01:24:50,731
money you know i mean the last guy you had on was talking about how he has gold like it's like yeah

995
01:24:50,731 --> 01:24:56,971
but we we bitcoiners know why gold is not good you know there's a reason we don't use gold anymore

996
01:24:56,971 --> 01:25:03,011
yeah i i cross i've crossed borders i've gone through checkpoints i've been through

997
01:25:03,011 --> 01:25:09,891
um, you know, survival, evasion, resistance, escape, seer schools where, you know, you're

998
01:25:09,891 --> 01:25:17,231
getting shoved in the box and slapped around. And so like, I understand, um, I've seen, uh,

999
01:25:17,331 --> 01:25:21,951
I've traveled the middle East a lot. I've traveled North Africa. I, you know, it's like, I've seen,

1000
01:25:21,951 --> 01:25:29,511
um, how like a lot of this stuff plays out with my own eyes, the depravity of man when he is not

1001
01:25:29,511 --> 01:25:37,211
regulated by, um, something, you know, outside himself. And if that's good government ordered

1002
01:25:37,211 --> 01:25:42,951
appropriately, according to God's law, or even if it's just a dictator, you know, like, like man

1003
01:25:42,951 --> 01:25:50,391
need, man who is not good needs to be ruled over by something. And I want that to be Christians,

1004
01:25:50,391 --> 01:25:57,911
you know, a hundred percent. Um, so I, you know, I, I, I will, um, I just recently started trying

1005
01:25:57,911 --> 01:26:06,431
to basically buy at a regular basis. Like let's figure out what kind of, um, what is discretionary

1006
01:26:06,431 --> 01:26:13,471
and let's just gather little by little more in this vein. Um, but I also like, you know,

1007
01:26:13,491 --> 01:26:19,711
leading up to elections and things like that. Like I, I just, I want to be one of the most

1008
01:26:19,711 --> 01:26:25,971
dangerous dudes ever always. Um, and I want my kids to be, I mean, I mean, I literally,

1009
01:26:25,971 --> 01:26:41,871
This is not because when you see what's happening with Antifa and these different movements that are violent and hate our way of life, you need to be dangerous.

1010
01:26:41,871 --> 01:26:51,731
You know, so a lot of my, um, I, I will, I will offer a safe harbor to a lot of Bitcoiners that have more than me at our compound.

1011
01:26:51,731 --> 01:26:55,731
You know, like, uh, uh, we will, you will, we will let you in our gate.

1012
01:26:55,871 --> 01:27:00,331
We will be able to take payment in Bitcoin either when the power's down and, uh, we will let you in.

1013
01:27:00,591 --> 01:27:09,931
Um, so I think that that's, I, a hundred percent like back to, I mean, one of my friends talked about this, uh, about radios.

1014
01:27:09,931 --> 01:27:14,691
Like you can't just own a ham radio and be able to use it.

1015
01:27:14,771 --> 01:27:17,711
Like, Oh, I'll just fire up the radio and then I'll immediately be able to

1016
01:27:17,711 --> 01:27:20,851
communicate as my alternate source of communication, you know, or whatever.

1017
01:27:20,851 --> 01:27:22,571
Like you have to practice these things.

1018
01:27:22,571 --> 01:27:30,971
And so I would more characterize myself as, um, you know, practicing with it and

1019
01:27:30,971 --> 01:27:32,471
understanding how you do.

1020
01:27:32,571 --> 01:27:38,331
I mean, I, I set up today, like I actually was, I saw the post, um, from Jack Dorsey

1021
01:27:38,331 --> 01:27:41,251
about Square taking Bitcoin.

1022
01:27:42,291 --> 01:27:46,391
And I'm like, I don't trust that guy necessarily.

1023
01:27:47,531 --> 01:27:48,891
He's got some history,

1024
01:27:49,291 --> 01:27:53,611
but I need to start thinking through how to take,

1025
01:27:53,691 --> 01:27:54,711
I'm going to try to,

1026
01:27:55,231 --> 01:27:58,091
I'm pushing to try to take payment in Bitcoin

1027
01:27:58,091 --> 01:27:59,631
for construction services.

1028
01:27:59,851 --> 01:28:00,831
So I started setting up.

1029
01:28:02,451 --> 01:28:03,671
And even the guys say,

1030
01:28:03,671 --> 01:28:06,351
hey, just put a little Bitcoin thing on your website

1031
01:28:06,351 --> 01:28:11,871
and you might actually get some people that you like, they'd be like, done.

1032
01:28:11,991 --> 01:28:15,811
This is my contractor, you know, cause that's a, that's a, just like in COVID,

1033
01:28:15,931 --> 01:28:19,631
the people that weren't wearing masks, you're like, I know you're on my team, bro.

1034
01:28:19,631 --> 01:28:21,211
Like we are together.

1035
01:28:21,351 --> 01:28:26,171
There's just you and me in the grocery store or you and me in the web, in the, in the airport.

1036
01:28:26,531 --> 01:28:33,691
Um, my 16 year old actually got me on the no fly list, um, uh, during COVID, uh, because

1037
01:28:33,691 --> 01:28:40,731
as I talked to him about, um, uh, having an active resistance posture, if, if you're being,

1038
01:28:40,731 --> 01:28:46,631
um, and that's something that they kind of talk about in Seer school is like, you're, you're in

1039
01:28:46,631 --> 01:28:54,771
captivity and you have to kind of do these things to stay human, to stay in resistance to this,

1040
01:28:54,771 --> 01:28:59,711
this tyrannical situation that you're in. And, and you read these accounts of these prisoners.

1041
01:28:59,711 --> 01:29:02,391
So I like, Hey, look, they own the airplane.

1042
01:29:02,511 --> 01:29:07,691
They have the authority to say how we should conduct ourselves in the air.

1043
01:29:07,811 --> 01:29:10,331
I don't agree that they're caprich.

1044
01:29:10,411 --> 01:29:13,831
Like if all the airline just said, no, you know what?

1045
01:29:13,931 --> 01:29:14,491
Like, yeah.

1046
01:29:15,051 --> 01:29:16,651
Like, yeah, just, just it's.

1047
01:29:16,871 --> 01:29:20,951
We severely underestimate the amount of authority that in power that we actually have.

1048
01:29:21,051 --> 01:29:21,791
Like, yes.

1049
01:29:21,911 --> 01:29:26,771
And every time, and I would say, you know, when they say federal law and it's like, not a law.

1050
01:29:26,771 --> 01:29:34,151
like this did not go through both houses and get signed by the president like this this is this is

1051
01:29:34,151 --> 01:29:40,271
and so like talk to my son like hey we're trying to fly out to this conference across the country

1052
01:29:40,271 --> 01:29:48,191
it'd take us four days to get there and four days to get back so we're going to comply because

1053
01:29:48,191 --> 01:29:56,011
uh it's only four hour flight you know and so we're gonna have to but we're gonna resist we're

1054
01:29:56,011 --> 01:30:00,231
going to have a resistance posture. So it's like the way dad does it is he has this mask underneath

1055
01:30:00,231 --> 01:30:04,451
his nose and he makes them tell him, put it up. And then I take it back down and then I make him

1056
01:30:04,451 --> 01:30:11,931
tell me, put it back up, you know? And so that's my little micro fight against this tyranny. And he

1057
01:30:11,931 --> 01:30:16,011
was like, well, I'm going to try to do it the whole way out and the whole way back without wearing a

1058
01:30:16,011 --> 01:30:21,931
mask at all. And I think it was September. No, it was, it was May of 21. I'm pretty sure it was like,

1059
01:30:21,931 --> 01:30:28,591
it's still like going crazy and uh uh maybe march but so he was it was still when you could actively

1060
01:30:28,591 --> 01:30:36,451
eat so that dude drank probably a gallon of water and ate like five pounds of gummy bears on this

1061
01:30:36,451 --> 01:30:43,531
flight you know but we end up sitting behind the double mask person and uh anyway it was it was we

1062
01:30:43,531 --> 01:30:50,471
got reported and it got escalated to committee or whatever and so yeah my 12 year old basically his

1063
01:30:50,471 --> 01:30:57,131
resistance posture was so ineffective that dad got barred from flying uh so you're still in the

1064
01:30:57,131 --> 01:31:04,911
no fly list no i i it was you appealed it escalated to committee i had 96 hours to submit my statement

1065
01:31:04,911 --> 01:31:12,671
about how i would be a good um follower of oppression and tyranny and and they would review

1066
01:31:12,671 --> 01:31:18,831
it and let me fly again if they thought so so i it took like three weeks it was just one airline

1067
01:31:18,831 --> 01:31:25,891
um and so i mean i just booked another ticket but we were like basically halfway back and and stuck

1068
01:31:25,891 --> 01:31:30,031
at the airport and couldn't get on couldn't get on our next flight because we were oh my barred

1069
01:31:30,031 --> 01:31:36,251
because my son's such a tyrant like kids your kids uh he's such a rebel he's your kids do in

1070
01:31:36,251 --> 01:31:43,431
excess uh what you do in moderation it's 100 the truth for good and bad um but yeah i mean that's

1071
01:31:43,431 --> 01:31:56,471
Those are phenomenal education opportunities and, and thinking through and, and going through these things and understanding like, okay, this was a side effect of, you know, what happened.

1072
01:31:56,471 --> 01:32:08,231
This, this, we have to learn from these situations and, and grow and, and also realizing, you know, everybody doesn't think like this and all the, the things around that.

1073
01:32:08,231 --> 01:32:12,191
Um, it's either way, I think it's the most glorious time to be alive.

1074
01:32:12,691 --> 01:32:32,502
Uh I jacked about the future and um you know and and that the thing too is when you have this uh long view of history with God directing it we we probably wouldn be having this conversation if it wasn for COVID you know the things that are happening with

1075
01:32:32,502 --> 01:32:37,462
these different social media platforms and all these things, like they literally thought these,

1076
01:32:37,462 --> 01:32:48,742
these pale, uh, frail, power hungry people got in the room and hatched up this diabolical plan

1077
01:32:48,742 --> 01:32:57,402
to enslave humanity and we're the least uh susceptible to tyrants we've ever been a lot

1078
01:32:57,402 --> 01:33:04,482
of us are yeah a lot of people got a full os reboot you know and and are still there it's okay

1079
01:33:04,482 --> 01:33:09,222
like they're they're captives to sin and death we're gonna set them free um because we're we're

1080
01:33:09,222 --> 01:33:14,402
building beautiful things we have uh you know that's that's other side just trying to make

1081
01:33:14,402 --> 01:33:21,242
the gospel beautiful in its form. Like the four, the talking about our kids whistling harmonies,

1082
01:33:21,362 --> 01:33:27,502
you know, that's, that's understanding music, understanding good food, like all these things,

1083
01:33:27,502 --> 01:33:34,262
like we're, we have all these weapons that, that they cannot contend with. They literally have no

1084
01:33:34,262 --> 01:33:42,242
way to combat the goodness and the beauty and the truth that is in the gospel. And the more

1085
01:33:42,242 --> 01:33:47,302
pressure they put on us, coincidentally, the more people hear the gospel. Like it's just,

1086
01:33:47,742 --> 01:33:52,802
and they haven't figured it out. Like it's just, we grow when you try to persecute us.

1087
01:33:53,102 --> 01:33:57,622
Like I'm going to gospel even harder. Yeah. Yeah. After careful consideration,

1088
01:33:57,622 --> 01:34:03,702
I've decided to become worse. Anyhow, Oshawa, I'll give you the last word. Nathan,

1089
01:34:03,802 --> 01:34:07,742
thank you so much. Great for you. And this will not be the last time we need it. We need to have

1090
01:34:07,742 --> 01:34:14,282
you back and discuss some of those ham radio, other kinds of just techniques and things that

1091
01:34:14,282 --> 01:34:20,762
we can learn to be more effective and more resisting Bitcoiners. That'd be a great thing

1092
01:34:20,762 --> 01:34:25,042
to talk about. Can I plug one of the things? Dude, chill. Chill to your heart's content. Let's go.

1093
01:34:27,122 --> 01:34:31,702
There's been a lot of forms that I've been trying to do this, but the way I'm doing it currently,

1094
01:34:31,702 --> 01:34:38,742
if you just go to tacticalhousehold.com, I have a school community set up and it's a private

1095
01:34:38,742 --> 01:34:46,562
school community. So I'll just ask that you, you know, put what church you're going to or something

1096
01:34:46,562 --> 01:34:54,442
that's identifiable. It's not super closed or whatever for, I'm trying to kind of basically

1097
01:34:54,442 --> 01:35:01,582
have the three buckets that I talk about are build, defend, repeat. And so build is wealth,

1098
01:35:01,982 --> 01:35:09,902
your house, whatever, like ways that you do that. Defending is how do I have guns and what night

1099
01:35:09,902 --> 01:35:14,622
vision and what thermals and what, you know, whatever to actually physically defend, but then

1100
01:35:14,622 --> 01:35:19,242
also there's spiritual and all those things. And then the repeat is the multi-generational,

1101
01:35:19,242 --> 01:35:25,622
the education the vision um and and that's just kind of the framework and i really like it's just

1102
01:35:25,622 --> 01:35:32,822
it's a smaller group it's private it's not the same as on these platforms so i feel a little bit

1103
01:35:32,822 --> 01:35:39,242
more at liberty to share stuff and then i i'm probably gonna within that group i'm trying to

1104
01:35:39,242 --> 01:35:43,362
i kind of have been like how can i monetize these things and make you know basically kind of like

1105
01:35:43,362 --> 01:36:06,182
Nope. That's me just trying to, to buy the lie of making this online money. And I want people to have this, um, knowledge. I want the church. I want Christians to be able to be good with firearms, to be building wealth in honorable ways. For me, it's blue collar. Um, and it's all just going to be free.

1106
01:36:06,182 --> 01:36:12,802
and then we're going to try to do next year um we're going to try to do in-person smaller stuff

1107
01:36:12,802 --> 01:36:18,622
that will probably we're going to charge for but i'm i'm going to build a speaker deck that's like

1108
01:36:18,622 --> 01:36:23,022
how do you set up trusts and how do you you know but then we're going to shoot and we're going to

1109
01:36:23,022 --> 01:36:29,602
do like some of those tactical events um but in the meantime you know i got uploaded i have a basic

1110
01:36:29,602 --> 01:36:35,582
pistol course there that just talks about how to dry fire how to present the gun how to do a mag

1111
01:36:35,582 --> 01:36:42,702
this real basic um and i'm going to keep adding to that in that platform um as as i can

1112
01:36:42,702 --> 01:36:48,662
well that sounds awesome that sounds like something we might need to maybe uh add to a tgfb

1113
01:36:48,662 --> 01:36:53,282
conference uh that'd be a fun fun thing to do in addition to that so ashley i'll give you the last

1114
01:36:53,282 --> 01:36:58,922
way to do it well no i was just gonna i was gonna ask about bug out bags and and like your your

1115
01:36:58,922 --> 01:37:06,542
prepper list and and wrench attack uh responses i actually so i was in uh i was speaking at a

1116
01:37:06,542 --> 01:37:11,782
bitcoin conference in lugano and they had a pre-conference that was all about getting to

1117
01:37:11,782 --> 01:37:17,642
know your glock and and like five dollar wrench attack kind of defense it was it was like crazy

1118
01:37:17,642 --> 01:37:23,682
expensive uh and i'm like i can shoot my glock for free i don't need to pay you but but like

1119
01:37:23,682 --> 01:37:31,842
Honestly, that type of those conversations and that type of real training, real practice, and then real community.

1120
01:37:31,962 --> 01:37:32,642
So I love that.

1121
01:37:32,722 --> 01:37:35,322
Like I'll be checking out what you've put together.

1122
01:37:35,502 --> 01:37:41,802
And the only other thing I'll add is that the repeat, the multigenerational piece is intentional marriages.

1123
01:37:42,582 --> 01:37:46,522
And so like let's make these multigenerational family affairs.

1124
01:37:46,522 --> 01:37:49,482
We all like the family that shoots together, stays together.

1125
01:37:49,482 --> 01:37:55,182
And the community that marries together gets to multiply together.

1126
01:37:55,422 --> 01:37:57,682
So let's talk.

1127
01:37:58,382 --> 01:38:00,982
So we're looking for the, we're looking, he's, in other words,

1128
01:38:01,022 --> 01:38:04,262
he's looking for the arranged marriage component of the school course.

1129
01:38:04,442 --> 01:38:04,762
So please.

1130
01:38:05,202 --> 01:38:06,542
Gordon and I have been working on this for a while.

1131
01:38:06,622 --> 01:38:07,382
How do we do family?

1132
01:38:07,382 --> 01:38:14,302
So we're working on, we have 150 kids, 16 and under at our church.

1133
01:38:14,302 --> 01:38:17,242
and our Sundays are about 320 to 340.

1134
01:38:17,402 --> 01:38:20,302
So we're half kids, 16 and under.

1135
01:38:21,022 --> 01:38:22,542
And the future is bright.

1136
01:38:23,682 --> 01:38:25,322
The younger you get, actually,

1137
01:38:25,402 --> 01:38:27,822
I mean, there's just like a slew of four-year-olds.

1138
01:38:28,022 --> 01:38:31,682
Like the four-year-old dudes are going to be sitting pretty.

1139
01:38:33,302 --> 01:38:34,362
But yeah, 100%.

1140
01:38:34,362 --> 01:38:35,662
And just getting in, I mean,

1141
01:38:35,742 --> 01:38:39,402
I think that's the beauty of these conference scenes too

1142
01:38:39,402 --> 01:38:40,102
and traveling.

1143
01:38:40,282 --> 01:38:43,102
I always take kids with me.

1144
01:38:43,102 --> 01:38:47,122
my wife's an introvert she's like i actually like it when you travel i get to read more

1145
01:38:47,122 --> 01:38:53,202
and you know but i take kids along i've gotten her to come along to a couple and i think that's

1146
01:38:53,202 --> 01:38:59,402
that's going to be the goal too is get get people together because that's what you realize and and

1147
01:38:59,402 --> 01:39:04,202
bitcoiners i think i think have one of the best overlaps as far as when i start talking to them

1148
01:39:04,202 --> 01:39:11,042
like yeah i'm getting along with you like it's it's it's a great uh it's a great uh recognition

1149
01:39:11,042 --> 01:39:12,722
of being on the team.

1150
01:39:13,042 --> 01:39:16,802
But yeah, you got to be around people in person.

1151
01:39:18,382 --> 01:39:20,562
And that's the thing that all these...

1152
01:39:20,562 --> 01:39:22,662
So I think what I said at that event,

1153
01:39:22,982 --> 01:39:24,782
Trad Dad event that I guess you were at,

1154
01:39:25,062 --> 01:39:26,182
it didn't say hi to me,

1155
01:39:26,662 --> 01:39:29,762
but it's because you live in the city.

1156
01:39:30,322 --> 01:39:31,042
Yeah, he's right.

1157
01:39:32,502 --> 01:39:33,982
They aren't getting together.

1158
01:39:33,982 --> 01:39:35,282
They aren't all...

1159
01:39:35,282 --> 01:39:36,102
There's not 200.

1160
01:39:36,362 --> 01:39:39,122
There's not 320 of them in a room together,

1161
01:39:39,722 --> 01:39:40,782
breaking bread,

1162
01:39:41,042 --> 01:39:49,842
enjoying wine. Nobody's doing that because it's not scalable. It's not something that you can just

1163
01:39:49,842 --> 01:39:54,082
make happen out of thin air. And so I guess that's the goal is to make it

1164
01:39:54,682 --> 01:40:04,242
food that women in our church prepare. The dudes in our church, I don't have to teach any of the

1165
01:40:04,242 --> 01:40:09,962
tactical stuff. I can just be like, which weekends are you guys around? And the skill set's just

1166
01:40:09,962 --> 01:40:15,542
and sane. And so that's, I'm actually looking forward to it being an extension of our church

1167
01:40:15,542 --> 01:40:22,002
in some ways, um, a free market, uh, individual families working it out out of good teaching,

1168
01:40:22,002 --> 01:40:27,142
but, um, um, um, that's, I'm jacked about the future. It's, it's coming. It's going to be good.

1169
01:40:28,302 --> 01:40:31,862
Love it. Well, Hey man, thank you so much again, and we will have you back for sure.

1170
01:40:31,982 --> 01:40:35,702
And thank you to all of you at home who are listening, watching. If this has been helpful

1171
01:40:35,702 --> 01:40:41,642
for you. Like, subscribe, follow. Go find Nathan. His handle is right there below his name.

1172
01:40:42,102 --> 01:40:44,702
We will see you on the next episode of the TGFP podcast.