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and we are live episode 23 of to the unknown pod it is we are glad to have you here my name is

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jordan bush i'm the executive director of tgfb media which exists to help christians understand

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and use bitcoin for the glory of god and the good of people everywhere today we are joined

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by a couple fine mountainous presby's who i will allow to introduce themselves now

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I'm Tim Fox

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Executive Director

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of the Magnolia Foundation

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working on Orange Pilling the Church

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and I'm Jim McAndrew

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at Magnolia with Tim

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I'm also an entrepreneur

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and run a

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little software company

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called DroneLink

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and we are here

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for episode 23

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can you believe it

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guys

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23 episodes

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we're missing Oshawa

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our Portland bound friend

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who knows what he's doing

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something along the lines

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of celebrating

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his daughter's birthday

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he's getting ice cream

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or something

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again

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And these guys who we're working with have way too good priorities.

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So we are here, though, to discuss boomers ruin everything.

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This is not a statement.

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This is a question.

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There's been a lot of activity, a lot of energy, a lot of hostility on the Twitter webs.

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I almost said en cuanto de, because my mind went to Spanish.

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as it relates to the boomers

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and their role in the economy being in the state that it's in

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and their role in politics being in the situation that it's in.

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So what we want to do is we kind of want to examine this claim.

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Is it really just so neat and clean

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that we can just blame everything wrong with the world on boomers?

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That certainly is a take.

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So we're going to start basically to kind of prime the pump on this discussion.

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We want to look at Charlie Kirk, not a friend of the program, would be open to being friends

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with Charlie should he be interested.

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Would love to have him on and chat about these things more.

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But he went on this other tiny little podcast called Tucker Carlson's Podcast.

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And he just talks about this little rant about the boomers.

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And he's calling them repulsive.

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So let's just watch the first 40 seconds or so of this and see what he has to say here.

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let me share this

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and here we go

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of course this takes way longer

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it's like this inherent contradiction

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we're super wealthy on one side

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like a powerhouse juggernaut

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and we are like an economic

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nightmare on the other side

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how did that happen?

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answer

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the wealth went to older people

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at the expense

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of the next generation

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that's for sure

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Every single economic growth decision of the last 30 years has been made.

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I am going to benefit.

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My baby boomer generation is going to benefit.

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And I don't care if it hurts young people.

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And I'm not anti-boomer.

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I get negative hate mail all the time because the boomers are super protective to their generation.

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As if I'm like attacking Presbyterians or something.

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They're repulsive.

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They've always been repulsive.

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And I grew up in a world.

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I was born in 1969.

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The baby boom ended in 1965.

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That's basically it.

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Well, let me just finish this.

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I want to hear it.

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I'm over 64.

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or whatever.

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It was just a post-war generation

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and in the mid-60s.

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I'm not a boomer.

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Thank heaven.

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My father was not a boomer.

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He was born in 1941.

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Totally different attitudes, right?

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He was born before the Second World War.

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We'll just stop there.

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That got elevated,

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or that,

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what's the phrase?

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That elevated quickly?

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Escalated, that's the word.

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Yeah, that escalated quickly.

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What do we think about this, guys?

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We'll let Tim,

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noted a giver of the measured takes.

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We'll let Tim give his opinion first here.

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Yeah, I mean,

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it's a simplistic diagnosis

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of a very serious problem.

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You know, it's the boomers.

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It's just because boomers got rich.

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And it's like, well, that's true,

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but there's a lot of boomers

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who did not benefit

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from the economic system

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that we've had,

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you know, the military political system

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we've had the last 50 years.

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There's a lot of boomers

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who suffered and are suffering

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under it who have overdosed on opioids or whatever, committed suicide. And it's like,

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I don't know, I'm a millennial and I like to bemoan my own generation. I mean, there's almost

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nothing more human than bemoaning how bad things are and how much better it used to be. And there's

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nothing really new about that. But yeah, I don't know. Sometimes it's like, well, as much as there's

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a lot of things I don't like about millennials, it's like, well, who raised them? All the boomers.

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Um, but also it's like the boomers didn't come out of nowhere. I mean, this isn't like, oh, you know, we, we went on the, the, uh, fiat standard in 1971. And before that, everything was wonderful and everything was great. Well, no, there was a lot of crazy stuff going on philosophically and culturally and politically and theologically way before that, you know, decades and decades, arguably centuries before that.

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And so, I don't know, it's easy to blame them. I get a little worried sometimes about kind of resentment and envy and kind of looking for other people to blame. But yeah, that's not to say there are a lot of issues and a lot of problems.

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um uh Aaron Wren recently has been talking in some of his newsletters about kind of boomer

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mentality and basically saying stop blinding so much about the boomers and how much cultural power

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they've had learn to be more like the boomers and one of the characteristics of the boomers is they

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didn't care uh what people before them thought they were willing to buck the trends and he's

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saying this about evangelical boomers and he had one the other day where he's talking about kind of

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evangelical complementarian theology about men and women and gender roles.

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You know, they explicitly said, John Piper and Wayne Grudem explicitly said in their

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book about complementarianism that we're rejecting traditional Christian patriarchy.

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We're doing something new and something different.

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And one of Aaron Wren's points, and this may go with what Charlie Kirk is saying, is he

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said, now when you come around and you criticize the boomers like they did to the generations

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before them, they get really uptight and really defensive and say, well, you can't

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criticize us.

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You know, this is just the way things are.

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And so Aaron Ryan is saying we need to be the same way towards the boomers that they were towards generations that came before them.

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But also, too, I think part of his point is don't be so stressed out and so resentful and try to blame everybody else.

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You can just do things.

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You can try new things.

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Go for it, Jim.

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I mean, my take is I don't think millennials or Gen Z or any other generation having been born at that same time frame would have been any different.

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So that doesn't make any sense just at face value.

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But then also as Bitcoiners, and again, I'm not saying fiat is the problem behind everything.

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Obviously, the real problem behind everything is our sin nature.

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But fiat just makes it that much easier for us to give ourselves over to our sin nature.

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and yeah, if the boomers are in charge of the big red button

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that lets them print and they're the asset owners,

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then of course they're going to be the biggest beneficiaries.

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And so to me, this is just classic

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blaming kind of the symptom as opposed to the disease.

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The disease is fiat.

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The symptom is like the class and generational warfare

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that fiat causes, right?

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And so they want us to blame each other.

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They want the generations to be mad at each other because it keeps us mad at each other instead of mad at the people that are pressing the red button.

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Who's they, Jim?

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Who is this they?

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It's the shadowy people behind the curtain that are causing the money printing to occur.

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The man, yeah.

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But having said all of that, this is just setting up the very next thing, okay?

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So what's interesting about millennials, and maybe it's a little bit more true of millennials than even Gen X because Gen X had enough of a foot kind of in the old world that they can't quite wrap their head around Bitcoin.

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But millennial is kind of in this Goldilocks zone where we are digital natives enough to be able to understand Bitcoin, but we're old enough to actually have a few assets to our names.

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And I'm not saying all millennials do. Yes, there's a lot of millennials that can't afford to buy a house and things like that. But there are certain millennials that understand Bitcoin and have enough money to put into it. And if Bitcoin ends up becoming the new monetary standard, that set of millennials is going to become fabulously wealthy. And the Gen Zers and below after them are going to look up to the millennials with the same level, if not more resentment than we currently look up to the boomers with.

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And so if you dish it, get ready to take it.

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I mean, there's so many scriptures we could quote, you know, again, this is one of the

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things that I wanted to bring up was just with the measure that you use to judge others,

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what God will use to judge you.

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Like this is, this is something that, you know, a principle that's, that's talked about.

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And again, yeah, I was thinking the exact same thing, Jim.

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Like there, there is absolutely no part of me that in any way thinks that if the, if the

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millennials were in the situation where they're presented with the choice to push the button and

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get bailed out, to push the button and get all the benefits of this, that they would do anything

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different. Because like real, really, if we're going to get down to the disease, the disease

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is a disease of me. It's a disease for short-term, you know, convenience to, you know, immediate

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convenience to you, everyone else be damned, everyone else's consequences be damned. And this

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is really an infantile way of looking at the world. Like this is, there are ways in which,

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you know, we're commended and commended to be like children. You know, Jesus says, unless you

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become like a child, you can't inherit the kingdom. So like there are ways in which we ought to aspire

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to child likeness, but this type of child likeness is not that. This type of, you know, again,

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like blaming everyone else for your problems, refusing to take responsibility, refusing to,

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if there's actually truth in some of the criticisms

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that are being levied against them.

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So I think that's one thing.

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The other thing that I would want to say,

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and again, maybe we can just kind of,

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maybe I'll just wait.

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I'll wait to bring that up.

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if you play the clip a little bit further,

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not that we have to,

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but Tucker kind of makes this assertion

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that the Boomers are uniquely selfish as a generation.

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here, right? Because it's a question of like what type of selfishness. I think the boomers grew up

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in this world where it was like 1960s mad men and everybody was targeting selling to the boomers

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because they were the biggest generation. So they had to, all the products and services had to be

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tailored towards that because that's where the whole population was. And so boomers kind of got

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this big ego about themselves and thought that everybody should be servicing them. And there is

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a type of selfishness to that. But I mean, look at our generation and below. We're sitting here

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posting TikToks and everybody wants to be TikTok famous and they're posting selfies of themselves.

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I mean, our generations are just as self-absorbed. It's just, we don't have the stuff to be self-absorbed

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with ourselves with. We do and we don't, right? Because again, you just referenced the fact that

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people are able to make livings literally just hanging out on the phone all day and like

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recording themselves doing banal tasks like that.

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You know, it really is.

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I mean, there is a truthfulness.

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There is a truthfulness to like the generational trust fund kid thing

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that, you know, is true of the boomers to a degree.

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Like that is true.

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I do want to raise, I think Mark Moss shared this tweet.

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Let me see if I can find it.

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Yeah, it was in response to the...

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I think this is again helpful to keep our, you know, pump the brakes here.

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Yeah, boomers had it easy.

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Can you make that a little bigger?

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Yeah, there you go.

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Boomers had it easy

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except for being drafted

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to the Vietnam Wars,

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of the civil rights movements,

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in the 70s,

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and globalization came online

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and took jobs.

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But they had it easy

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because, sure,

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money printing inflation

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pushed asset prices so high.

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And what do you think

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people continue...

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will continue to happen

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for the next 10 to 20 years

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when presumably the boomers

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are out of the way?

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a fair criticism

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and again, there are grievance merchants.

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for the sake of building up their YouTube channels

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or selling books

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or pumping their own personal brands,

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are going and are just shilling grievances,

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trying to convince people

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to rally around them as thought leaders or whatever.

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And so you ought to be suspicious.

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You ought to be suspicious

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when you hear somebody saying things that sounds good,

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that makes you feel good.

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you ought to be asking yourself, why, why are they,

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why are they doing this?

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You know, what do they have to gain from saying these things?

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It doesn't even mean that necessarily they're not true,

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but like, what do they have to gain by,

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by peddling what they're peddling?

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And so yeah this this type of thing again these guys are I would imagine two of the I mean based on what I know two of the better actors all things considered But still this is like catnip for a lot of people

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And, you know, calling them, whatever Tucker said, they're despicable.

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Like, I don't know, man.

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So for when my dad watches this, this takes for you, dad.

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I think, you know, having boomer parents, my parents were some of the most generous, selfless, Christ-fearing, God-honoring people that I know.

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So this one's for you, Dad.

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Well, amen.

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Like, I think that's a really, yeah, again, it's drawing, painting with a broad brush in this particular case, I feel like is specifically not helpful.

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The other issue, let's see how far are we in.

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Yeah, we're 15 minutes in, good.

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But the other, okay, so the other thing I think that this, the other topic that we could talk about in this context, and Tim, that I'd love to kind of get your perspective on specifically, because like one of the things that I'm thinking about here is just the relationship of like federal headship.

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Okay, this is a big, it's a big topic in like reform circles, you know, like people talk about this and it, but I really do think in this particular case, it's, it really is, it's germane.

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It's something that we ought to talk about because, yes, there is a sense in which the baby boomers have benefited.

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But at the end of the day, the levers that were pulled that made these policies happen.

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I mean, you're talking about a couple key levers that were enacted or a couple of policies that were passed that literally did the lion's share of the work.

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for producing the end result that we see here. So I'm thinking of the Federal Reserve Act in 1913,

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which is before the baby boomers. We can't quite pin that one on them. But when that thing goes

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down, you have a handful of people who are behind it saying, we want to do this. Then you have,

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obviously, the people who are in Congress or Senate, whatever, who actually vote on this

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thing and pass it. But so much of what we see is just baked into the cake that the ingredients were

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mixed back in 1913. And so at the end of the day, it's just like, what were they actually going to

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do? Like what were baby boomers actually going to do that was going to meaningfully change much of

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what's going on? I don't think there's really a ton, to be honest. Yeah. And it's, we were talking

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before we hit record about, you know, these couple of verses in Ezekiel 18, Jeremiah 31, where God is

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kind of chastising the Israelites as they have gone off into exile after many centuries of

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accumulated rebellion and disobedience against God. And God finally says, that's it. You're going

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into exile like I promised. And so at the time, you know, the Israelites are suffering for all

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kinds of things that their ancestors have done in many ways. And so they start saying this proverb,

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they say, well, the fathers have eaten sour grapes and the children's teeth are set on edge.

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They're all resentful towards what their fathers did wrong. And we have to suffer the consequences.

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and in both Jeremiah and Ezekiel, God says, hey, stop saying that. No one's allowed to say this

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anymore. He says, everyone's going to die for their own sins. This is how it works.

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And part of the point is that you children today suffering the exile who want to blame your

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ancestors for what's happening to you, you have plenty of sin to go around and you have no excuse

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to say, well, I'm innocent. I don't deserve any of this. On the other hand, there is a

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complimentary point that scripture makes about how humans are all in the same boat. We are in

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Adam's boat. And when Adam sinned, everybody sinned. And because Adam rebelled against God,

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we are all born sinful and we all suffer because of it. And a lot of people don't like that about

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Christianity. They don't like that about scripture. That's offensive to a lot of people.

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But it's like Chesterton said, this is one of the most obvious things of Christian theology

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out there, you read this in the newspaper every day, why are people so messed up from such a young

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age? Why do we all have this bent towards really terrible things? And so, yeah, there is this

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element of you suffer because of what your ancestors did, especially Adam. And God, there's

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elements of that too, and kind of, you know, say closer to our own day, God says in Deuteronomy,

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he punishes sin to the third and fourth generation. You know, does that mean that I'm

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being innocently punished because of what my great-grandparents did? No. It means that sin

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has lots of consequences that last for many generations, and we all know that, and we all

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see that in our own families and in our own family stories. You see these things percolate

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down through the generations and get repeated. But yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's...

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Bavik has this great part, he's a theologian I like a lot, where he's talking about this doctrine

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of original sin, that we inherit Adam's guilt, and he's talking about how, this is 100 years

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ago. He's saying, yeah, people don't like this. They get offended by this. And so he says,

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you know, we have no problem with inheriting good things from our ancestors and from our parents.

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He says, we don't care if they want to give us money. We don't care if we pick up their talents.

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We don't care if we have a house to live in. We have a great family. But when it comes to

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things like guilt and sin and suffering, we say, oh, you know, it's so unjust, so unrighteous. How

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dare they pass this on to me and bobbing says it's just as unrighteous and unjust for them to

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give you good things as to give you bad things and you have no right to complain about that stuff but

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happily take the good stuff and you know i'm sure a lot of millennials will be very happy to take

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lots of things from their boomer parents and inherit lots of money no um but you know have you

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have you earned that any more than you haven't earned the other stuff so i don't know i think

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you gotta be careful.

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It's a double-edged sword.

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It cuts both ways.

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Brings to mind Job 2.10,

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or Job's wife's,

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you know, Job endures

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the loss of all these things,

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loss of kids,

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loss of wealth,

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loss of animals,

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all this kind of stuff.

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And his wife basically tells him

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to curse God and die.

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And he says to her,

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you speak as one of the foolish women.

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Shall we accept good from God

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and not trouble?

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I think that's kind of

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what you're getting at.

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The other one that came to mind,

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the other verse is Ecclesiastes 7.10,

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where he basically says,

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do not say why were the old days better than these for it's not wise to ask such questions.

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And basically it's an oversimplification to act like, oh, you know, the past was so much better

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than the situation we find ourselves in now. And that was written thousands of years ago.

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The same temptation was faced by other people. And I think that's a big part of, I mean,

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there's a hundred senses in which that's true where, you know, there's another verse in the

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Old Testament where it talks about, God says, my people perish for lack of knowledge. I think,

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I mean, in the ones, on the one hand, modern people, whether they're boomers, millennial,

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whatever, like we have access to more information than anybody has ever had in the history of the

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world. And yet that proximity has not, you know, resulted in us actually being smarter or wiser

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people necessarily. We actually are very ignorant of the way that things have worked throughout time.

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you know just you know there's a hundred ways in which we don't see the world accurately we we we

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think that so many of these problems that we're facing like uh the the differences between

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generations like as if this is something novel as if this is something new uniquely where we're

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uniquely to be pitied uh in in uniquely in a position to lament our situation uh in a way that

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that other people weren't like it's just laughable it's it's genuinely ridiculous uh by any kind of

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historical measure to act like we're,

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we have a worst situation and we have the worst situation ever.

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It's bonkers.

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Just absolutely insane.

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Tim's coming back.

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He's just doing that dad thing.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if you guys saw the little hit a little ham.

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We can go to the next one though.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Let's keep going here.

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Let's see.

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This is Martin's scold.

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We'll see how scolding Martin is towards.

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Here we go.

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All right.

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So Eigenrobot has this to say,

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do boomers realize they're still mostly going to be alive

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when we soft default in like five to 15 years?

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Thinking about this a lot lately.

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What's their strategy here?

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Oh, shoot.

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Let's go back.

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Oh, no.

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Do not get whatever this card is.

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This is not an endorsement.

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This is not an endorsement.

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Not a paid ad.

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most don't have a plan, but the ones who realize it are dimly aware that A, their benefits mostly

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track inflation via cost of living, negotiated Medicare fees, et cetera. Inflation drives stock

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and real estate up. Jim. Yeah, exactly. That is the plan. The plan has been the same as it was

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for the last 50 years. They're just going to keep printing money and their asset prices are going to

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keep pumping so like we've been soft defaulting ever since at least 1971 but like you said all

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the way back to 1913 yeah so that that is the plan inflation is the plan yeah and continuing

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to hold scarce assets is the plan and even if those assets don't perform as well as something

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like bitcoin they're still going to perform better than the you know more and more uh debasing dollar

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So they're going to be the most.

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Yeah, I guess maybe the question here is when he says five to 15 years, is he saying this is the suddenly part of gradually then suddenly?

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Because other takes like Pierre Oshar will say that this is probably, I mean, he's famously kind of said when he first kind of learned about Bitcoin and got into it in 2013, he was like, oh, we're like, we're six months out.

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like hyper-Bitcoinization is like six months out.

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And now he's kind of like,

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no, it's probably more like six decades out, you know?

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Yeah, that is how it goes.

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Immunitizing the economic eschaton

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and destruction of the United States.

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Like that, if there's maybe people

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who don't understand that phrase.

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So immunitizing the eschaton is basically,

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you're saying, hey, the end of the world

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is happening in my time.

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Basically every generation.

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thinks that the end of the world is happening in their time at some point or another.

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You know, you have like World War II, they go through the Holocaust, like all these different

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things. They go through watching more people die in the span of five years than have ever died in

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history of humanity. And so they think that the end is the year. There was tons of fervor about

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that. And, you know, the same, a similar point could be made about Bitcoin in terms of just the

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more limited scope of the decline of the, you know, the global fiat monopolies all over the

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world. It seems like, man, you see their doom is sure. And so you're just, you're like, well,

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I mean, I get this right now. So surely everyone is going to wake up to this reality within the

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next six months or the next four years or 15 years, whatever it is. And in reality,

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it generally speaking takes a lot longer than that for these things to roll over just because

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of the sheer scale and a whole lot of the factors. I remember reading Rich Dad Poor Dad's

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prophecy book that was all about the boomers starting to retire in 2012. And so therefore,

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the massive amount of drawdown that was going to happen from them taking their retirement funds and

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living off of them was going to cause a massive crash. And it just hasn't happened. Right?

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Like they just, the Fed's not going to let it happen, essentially. They're just going to print

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money until the cows come home to prop everything up. Yeah. Yeah. And again, you don't have to sell

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all your stuff at once. You can just continue to take out, you know, like every month, just take

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out some and you know leave the vast majority of your you know your your dragon treasure hoard uh

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you know there in assets and you know stocks i just i think it's pretty clear that at this point

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given what happened in 2008 and what happened in covid and even just like minor things like

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trump's tariffs the tariff tantrum and then the flash crash in april and then it just comes right

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back in it's like we're we're in a new basically since 2008 we're in a new monetary order where

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it's like the fed just says we're just gonna go money printer burr on anything because you cannot

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let the prices deflate i mean this is jeff booth's whole deal which if you haven't watched his latest

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uh episode on what bitcoin did it's i mean it's not anything new if you've read his book and stuff

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like that, but it's basically just like we live in an inflationary economy. And if, if any deflation

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at all happens, the whole thing falls apart. And so they, and they know that and they, they won't

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let it happen. They'll just, you know, I, so I guess in defense of this original tweet, this is

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the soft default. Yeah. Yeah. There you, you can't taper a Ponzi to quote one of our own profits.

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This is one of these things you can't.

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They can't slow this thing down.

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To quote Lynn Alden, nothing stops this train.

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Another one of our profits.

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Yeah, this is just something that you can't.

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They can't.

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This is why, I mean, this affects interest policy.

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All these things that Trump wants to do,

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he looking at it from one standpoint Oh we gonna drop interest rates to 1 or 2 whatever it is It just like no that not going to fix everything There is no easy fix

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at this stage of the game.

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It's not going to happen.

459
00:26:51,943 --> 00:26:52,763
Well, yeah.

460
00:26:53,123 --> 00:26:53,783
And so it's like,

461
00:26:53,843 --> 00:26:55,343
somehow we're strange bedfellas

462
00:26:55,343 --> 00:26:56,263
with Jerome Powell now.

463
00:26:56,403 --> 00:26:56,623
It's like,

464
00:26:56,763 --> 00:26:59,103
I don't know what I'm rooting for anymore.

465
00:26:59,323 --> 00:26:59,583
It's like,

466
00:26:59,663 --> 00:27:01,443
I hate inflation.

467
00:27:01,663 --> 00:27:02,043
And so, yeah,

468
00:27:02,083 --> 00:27:02,343
it's like,

469
00:27:02,383 --> 00:27:03,703
I want the rates to stay high,

470
00:27:03,823 --> 00:27:04,883
but then I'm also a Bitcoiner,

471
00:27:05,023 --> 00:27:07,183
so I want the money printer to go burn.

472
00:27:07,183 --> 00:27:08,703
and I'm just like...

473
00:27:08,703 --> 00:27:08,883
Yeah.

474
00:27:09,363 --> 00:27:12,503
Yeah, that's the big short meme

475
00:27:12,503 --> 00:27:14,743
where it's like pumped

476
00:27:14,743 --> 00:27:16,483
that they locked in these shorts

477
00:27:16,483 --> 00:27:19,083
on these things on the housing market.

478
00:27:19,203 --> 00:27:21,683
They shorted like the A tranches

479
00:27:21,683 --> 00:27:22,583
and they're going to make

480
00:27:22,583 --> 00:27:23,743
even more money than anybody else.

481
00:27:24,343 --> 00:27:25,103
And like Brad Pitt,

482
00:27:25,683 --> 00:27:26,503
who's Ben Rickert,

483
00:27:26,623 --> 00:27:27,163
just basically said,

484
00:27:27,243 --> 00:27:28,043
they're like jumping around

485
00:27:28,043 --> 00:27:28,543
and he's like,

486
00:27:29,003 --> 00:27:30,223
stop, what is this?

487
00:27:30,343 --> 00:27:31,703
Like stop clapping

488
00:27:31,703 --> 00:27:32,943
or stop being happy

489
00:27:32,943 --> 00:27:33,623
or something like that.

490
00:27:34,023 --> 00:27:34,643
He's like, basically,

491
00:27:34,803 --> 00:27:36,003
if you're right,

492
00:27:36,003 --> 00:27:37,743
everyone suffers.

493
00:27:38,103 --> 00:27:40,363
Everybody else is going to be in an awful situation

494
00:27:40,363 --> 00:27:41,743
if you're right, which we think you're right.

495
00:27:42,563 --> 00:27:44,103
Stop celebrating,

496
00:27:44,203 --> 00:27:45,203
I think is what he says.

497
00:27:46,123 --> 00:27:47,943
And I just think, yeah, we're just in a situation

498
00:27:47,943 --> 00:27:48,503
where

499
00:27:48,503 --> 00:27:52,203
none of this stuff is going to be as

500
00:27:52,203 --> 00:27:56,323
due to the rate

501
00:27:56,323 --> 00:27:57,723
of inflation, all this kind of stuff. I'm just

502
00:27:57,723 --> 00:28:00,323
looking at this like, are people due to the speed,

503
00:28:00,763 --> 00:28:01,963
due to a hundred other things?

504
00:28:02,163 --> 00:28:03,783
There's part of me that really just thinks

505
00:28:03,783 --> 00:28:07,523
people, even like the strongest Bitcoiners are going to have to sell some of their Bitcoin sooner

506
00:28:07,523 --> 00:28:13,643
than they're thinking because of how bad things can get, uh, you know, pretty quickly with,

507
00:28:13,723 --> 00:28:20,663
with inflation, especially in like the last, the last few stages of it. Um, so, uh, let's see what

508
00:28:20,663 --> 00:28:25,283
else we have here. We've got the Kobe, the Kobe, Kobe EC letter. Let's see what they have to say.

509
00:28:25,283 --> 00:28:32,063
Let me share this here. Our next tweet. Boom. I'll let you read this one, Jim.

510
00:28:32,063 --> 00:28:37,963
make it a little bigger yeah jim got them old man eyes here we go all right this is uh

511
00:28:37,963 --> 00:28:46,223
more kind of m2 money supply porn uh u.s m2 money supply surged 4.5 percent year over year in june

512
00:28:46,223 --> 00:28:51,723
to a record 22 trillion this marks the 20th consecutive monthly increase so if you scroll

513
00:28:51,723 --> 00:28:58,703
down it just kind of shows uh what happened at the pandemic where you know we've got the money

514
00:28:58,703 --> 00:29:02,723
supply increasing kind of it looks like a linear rate and then there's an inflection point and it

515
00:29:02,723 --> 00:29:07,703
just almost goes straight up during covid tapers off a little bit kind of in 2022 and then it

516
00:29:07,703 --> 00:29:16,723
actually contracts during 24 25 interestingly bitcoin is still going up during that time frame

517
00:29:16,723 --> 00:29:24,043
and now the money supply is kind of going back up at a similar rate to what looks like was before

518
00:29:24,043 --> 00:29:31,223
the pandemic which was still also bad yeah so yeah uh and then there's a there's another tweet

519
00:29:31,223 --> 00:29:37,123
that i just that this is classic tweet the next one that i posted in the chat which is just the

520
00:29:37,123 --> 00:29:43,363
overlay of the bitcoin chart and m2 money supply yeah so it predicts we're supposed to be at 150

521
00:29:43,363 --> 00:29:49,603
right now yeah it is not a mystery i'm looking for the chat here tim's back i'll let him tell

522
00:29:49,603 --> 00:29:51,483
tell us why if he chooses to

523
00:29:51,483 --> 00:29:54,423
what he just had to go deal with.

524
00:29:54,823 --> 00:29:55,823
Speaking of

525
00:29:55,823 --> 00:29:58,003
apocalyptic happenings,

526
00:29:58,143 --> 00:29:58,883
I'm back.

527
00:30:00,023 --> 00:30:01,303
Are your hands clean?

528
00:30:01,783 --> 00:30:04,223
The children were eating sour grapes and the father's

529
00:30:04,223 --> 00:30:05,103
teeth were set on edge.

530
00:30:07,083 --> 00:30:08,323
My hands are not clean.

531
00:30:08,683 --> 00:30:10,203
And your Proverbs 31 wife

532
00:30:10,203 --> 00:30:11,183
is out busy.

533
00:30:12,983 --> 00:30:13,463
Yeah.

534
00:30:14,163 --> 00:30:14,763
She's great.

535
00:30:15,023 --> 00:30:16,663
Doing Proverbs 31 activities.

536
00:30:16,863 --> 00:30:17,323
Let's go.

537
00:30:17,543 --> 00:30:17,783
Based.

538
00:30:18,323 --> 00:30:19,323
Where is this?

539
00:30:19,323 --> 00:30:20,703
tweet you said Jim?

540
00:30:21,463 --> 00:30:23,563
It was next in the signal chat

541
00:30:23,563 --> 00:30:24,003
I think.

542
00:30:26,143 --> 00:30:27,383
It's a SimplyBitcoin.

543
00:30:28,283 --> 00:30:29,083
SimplyBitcoin.

544
00:30:29,223 --> 00:30:30,223
Let me see this one here.

545
00:30:30,763 --> 00:30:33,223
There's Vivek first and then

546
00:30:33,223 --> 00:30:34,723
SimplyBitcoin after that one.

547
00:30:35,023 --> 00:30:36,943
Here we go. We'll do Vivek first.

548
00:30:37,263 --> 00:30:38,303
Share this Devastate. Boom.

549
00:30:40,683 --> 00:30:42,943
People have probably been seeing this going around.

550
00:30:44,063 --> 00:30:45,223
Apparently Grok4

551
00:30:45,223 --> 00:30:46,743
Heavy, the best model out there,

552
00:30:46,843 --> 00:30:48,903
blah, blah, blah, says that

553
00:30:48,903 --> 00:30:54,103
we're supposed to hit $400,000 Bitcoin by November 2nd, 2025.

554
00:30:54,683 --> 00:30:59,343
And then if you pull up the Simply Bitcoin M2 BTC overlay chart.

555
00:31:00,143 --> 00:31:01,383
Do I have that one?

556
00:31:01,443 --> 00:31:01,883
Where's that one?

557
00:31:02,303 --> 00:31:03,283
It's right after this one.

558
00:31:04,183 --> 00:31:05,183
Did I miss it?

559
00:31:05,383 --> 00:31:06,083
Let's see here.

560
00:31:07,023 --> 00:31:08,863
This is horoscopes for Bitcoiners.

561
00:31:09,123 --> 00:31:09,543
Exactly.

562
00:31:10,363 --> 00:31:10,643
Yep.

563
00:31:11,103 --> 00:31:11,563
Here it is.

564
00:31:11,563 --> 00:31:12,603
It says, yep.

565
00:31:13,783 --> 00:31:14,583
Coming at you.

566
00:31:14,583 --> 00:31:25,323
give us a give us a uh preview jim here we go yep so classic just they they offset the chart by

567
00:31:25,323 --> 00:31:32,923
10 weeks or whatever it is um and it makes it look like 100 correlation and i guess this of

568
00:31:32,923 --> 00:31:40,683
course this thing is saying yes we zoom in there should be more like 160 165 by november grok is

569
00:31:40,683 --> 00:31:42,243
disagreeing. Grok is more bullish.

570
00:31:43,783 --> 00:31:44,183
Which,

571
00:31:44,803 --> 00:31:46,723
yeah, and this is one of these things where people are like,

572
00:31:46,783 --> 00:31:48,083
oh, this is why Bitcoin,

573
00:31:48,723 --> 00:31:50,583
it has nothing to do, Bitcoin's not actually

574
00:31:50,583 --> 00:31:52,623
growing, it's literally just monetary supply.

575
00:31:52,803 --> 00:31:54,583
And it's like, yeah, there's a sense in which

576
00:31:54,583 --> 00:31:55,963
a lot of it is monetary supply.

577
00:31:56,743 --> 00:31:58,703
But again, there still is real adoption

578
00:31:58,703 --> 00:31:59,923
going on as well

579
00:31:59,923 --> 00:32:02,823
that also will affect

580
00:32:02,823 --> 00:32:04,663
this, I think, more as time goes on,

581
00:32:04,683 --> 00:32:05,743
as more people get into it.

582
00:32:06,503 --> 00:32:08,683
My take on all this would be to

583
00:32:08,683 --> 00:32:10,303
just zoom out,

584
00:32:10,303 --> 00:32:11,843
stop staring at your screen.

585
00:32:12,943 --> 00:32:15,723
Any sort of short-term price prediction,

586
00:32:16,163 --> 00:32:19,043
even months or a year out or something,

587
00:32:19,203 --> 00:32:21,063
is just, nobody knows.

588
00:32:22,003 --> 00:32:24,743
But we do know that the broad context,

589
00:32:25,063 --> 00:32:26,163
based on what we were talking about

590
00:32:26,163 --> 00:32:27,123
on the previous topic,

591
00:32:27,303 --> 00:32:28,803
is that they're going to print.

592
00:32:28,963 --> 00:32:29,743
They have to print.

593
00:32:29,863 --> 00:32:30,943
They can't let it collapse.

594
00:32:31,203 --> 00:32:32,983
And so when you start talking about

595
00:32:32,983 --> 00:32:34,263
five and 10-year timeframes,

596
00:32:35,183 --> 00:32:36,323
we know it's going up.

597
00:32:36,723 --> 00:32:38,263
If you want to predict six months out,

598
00:32:38,663 --> 00:32:39,423
anybody's guess.

599
00:32:39,583 --> 00:32:40,023
Yeah.

600
00:32:40,303 --> 00:33:00,043
You could tell me anything. You could literally tell me Coinbase collapsed, Coinbase holding a disgusting percentage of the Bitcoin held by a lot of these treasury companies, including MicroStrategy and other guys. You could tell me that something happened to them and we went into a six-month absolute devastating bear market. Sure, I could believe it.

601
00:33:00,043 --> 00:33:02,383
you could tell me we had two Saudi birthdays.

602
00:33:02,763 --> 00:33:05,023
They all aped into a trillion dollars

603
00:33:05,023 --> 00:33:05,743
of the Bitcoin each.

604
00:33:05,783 --> 00:33:08,823
And now we're at a million dollar Bitcoin in a month.

605
00:33:08,883 --> 00:33:09,923
Like I'd believe any of it,

606
00:33:09,983 --> 00:33:11,503
just given the state that we're in

607
00:33:11,503 --> 00:33:12,963
and the incentives in play.

608
00:33:13,463 --> 00:33:15,503
Yeah, Jordan's the guy on the roller coaster

609
00:33:15,503 --> 00:33:17,583
that's looking back with a deadpan look

610
00:33:17,583 --> 00:33:19,583
as the roller coaster is just...

611
00:33:19,583 --> 00:33:20,503
That's right.

612
00:33:20,603 --> 00:33:23,023
I literally, so I mean, I tell people this

613
00:33:23,023 --> 00:33:23,763
and they don't believe me,

614
00:33:23,763 --> 00:33:24,903
but like, I'm trying to think,

615
00:33:25,003 --> 00:33:26,803
can you, I'm trying to think what you can see here.

616
00:33:26,883 --> 00:33:27,403
Stop sharing.

617
00:33:28,123 --> 00:33:28,983
Can you guys see,

618
00:33:28,983 --> 00:33:33,823
I don't know if you guys can see my, so I've got my, my Tron or my Block Tron over here,

619
00:33:33,823 --> 00:33:39,883
uh, courtesy of our friend of the program, uh, Chester, Chester Ney, uh, the, um, what's his

620
00:33:39,883 --> 00:33:44,243
name? Ginger Sherpa on Twitter. He basically has this thing. It's similar to like a block clock.

621
00:33:44,283 --> 00:33:48,883
It's great. But literally the only reason that I checked the Bitcoin price is when I walk into my

622
00:33:48,883 --> 00:33:52,323
office and see that there. Like I, I just, I literally don't look at the, don't look at the

623
00:33:52,323 --> 00:33:57,623
price. Uh, you know, we, we got other stuff here we're doing. And so, yeah, I just really encourage

624
00:33:57,623 --> 00:34:01,463
you like i mean if it's something where you just find yourself checking the price on take it off

625
00:34:01,463 --> 00:34:06,683
your phone like just you know it really is one of these things where i have never been served

626
00:34:06,683 --> 00:34:12,163
by by looking at the price it's only served to you know during there's been periods where i have

627
00:34:12,163 --> 00:34:16,863
looked at it more and it really just it just doesn't help doesn't help me focus on the things

628
00:34:16,863 --> 00:34:26,243
that i need to be focusing on so um oh are you still there tim i'm here yes he's there oh no

629
00:34:26,243 --> 00:34:26,903
did we lose Jim?

630
00:34:27,463 --> 00:34:27,923
I'm back.

631
00:34:28,343 --> 00:34:28,583
Okay.

632
00:34:29,643 --> 00:34:30,223
All right.

633
00:34:30,443 --> 00:34:32,463
Jeff was actually making this point

634
00:34:32,463 --> 00:34:33,743
and what Bitcoin did

635
00:34:33,743 --> 00:34:35,403
that he dropped was like,

636
00:34:35,903 --> 00:34:38,683
there's kind of three phases of,

637
00:34:39,923 --> 00:34:40,823
or people,

638
00:34:41,063 --> 00:34:42,243
there's like the no coiners,

639
00:34:42,683 --> 00:34:43,563
there's Bitcoiners,

640
00:34:43,643 --> 00:34:45,223
but they still check the price all the time.

641
00:34:45,443 --> 00:34:46,043
So they're like,

642
00:34:46,643 --> 00:34:47,863
they have this cognitive dissonance

643
00:34:47,863 --> 00:34:49,283
because they're living in both systems.

644
00:34:49,503 --> 00:34:50,863
And then there's the Bitcoiners

645
00:34:50,863 --> 00:34:52,783
that have sort of reached the escape velocity

646
00:34:52,783 --> 00:34:55,183
and they're using Bitcoin as a unit of account.

647
00:34:55,183 --> 00:34:58,463
and it's like once you kind of get to that level,

648
00:34:58,503 --> 00:35:00,943
you realize that the price doesn't mean anything.

649
00:35:01,183 --> 00:35:01,863
It doesn't matter.

650
00:35:02,043 --> 00:35:06,083
I mean, obviously, while the current system is still in place,

651
00:35:06,083 --> 00:35:07,063
if you want to buy a house

652
00:35:07,063 --> 00:35:08,463
or if you want to go do something with it,

653
00:35:08,743 --> 00:35:11,463
but generally the people that are checking the price all the time

654
00:35:11,463 --> 00:35:15,023
are people that are going to take some profits off the table,

655
00:35:15,023 --> 00:35:17,943
which obviously when you get to phase three doesn't really make sense

656
00:35:17,943 --> 00:35:20,203
because it's like, what are you going to take profits in?

657
00:35:21,003 --> 00:35:21,083
Yeah.

658
00:35:22,183 --> 00:35:25,003
Yeah, and that's, I mean, the other thing that affects that

659
00:35:25,003 --> 00:35:27,043
and a friend of the program, American Huddle,

660
00:35:27,083 --> 00:35:28,223
has also talked a lot about this,

661
00:35:28,363 --> 00:35:30,983
is you get to the point where,

662
00:35:31,983 --> 00:35:34,423
I mean, if you're like two cycles in,

663
00:35:34,483 --> 00:35:35,883
if you're more than one cycle in,

664
00:35:36,283 --> 00:35:38,043
the reality that you have bought,

665
00:35:38,203 --> 00:35:40,223
you have very likely bought more Bitcoin

666
00:35:40,223 --> 00:35:41,923
than you'll ever be able to buy in the future.

667
00:35:42,403 --> 00:35:44,223
Like you just get to the point where that's the reality.

668
00:35:44,403 --> 00:35:45,663
Like your initial buys,

669
00:35:46,003 --> 00:35:47,763
you'll never get anything close to them

670
00:35:47,763 --> 00:35:49,863
unless you found some crazy company

671
00:35:49,863 --> 00:35:51,923
that is growing exponentially.

672
00:35:51,923 --> 00:35:54,823
If you found the next NVIDIA or something like that,

673
00:35:54,823 --> 00:35:57,003
then sure, you might be able to do that

674
00:35:57,003 --> 00:35:58,103
or some other successful business.

675
00:35:58,243 --> 00:35:59,043
Like that's possible.

676
00:35:59,163 --> 00:36:00,543
But for the vast majority of people,

677
00:36:01,003 --> 00:36:03,383
after a cycle or definitely after two cycles,

678
00:36:03,503 --> 00:36:08,503
you're not gonna be getting a meaningful amount more Bitcoin.

679
00:36:08,883 --> 00:36:09,743
It's just not gonna happen.

680
00:36:09,963 --> 00:36:11,903
And so like that also plays into this effect as well.

681
00:36:12,463 --> 00:36:15,803
You know, there's like a moral danger there

682
00:36:15,803 --> 00:36:17,143
that I've noticed

683
00:36:17,143 --> 00:36:19,343
because when you do your initial buys,

684
00:36:19,723 --> 00:36:21,863
you're usually not as maxi as you will be.

685
00:36:22,083 --> 00:36:24,323
And so you're buying like smaller amounts

686
00:36:24,323 --> 00:36:29,883
And then by the time you become more maxi, it's like you want to buy more of the thing, but you can actually only afford to buy less.

687
00:36:30,343 --> 00:36:33,703
And so it's just like, yeah, it's not good for the soul.

688
00:36:34,223 --> 00:36:35,103
It is.

689
00:36:35,223 --> 00:36:38,103
I mean, it's this happens in a lot of ways, too.

690
00:36:38,163 --> 00:36:38,323
Right.

691
00:36:38,343 --> 00:36:39,563
You see older people.

692
00:36:39,843 --> 00:36:40,843
You can do this with time.

693
00:36:40,943 --> 00:36:43,523
Like if time is think about time as a currency.

694
00:36:43,703 --> 00:36:46,663
The people like when you're young, you just you just do whatever you want.

695
00:36:46,703 --> 00:36:47,243
You waste time.

696
00:36:47,283 --> 00:36:48,163
You do all kinds of stuff.

697
00:36:48,563 --> 00:36:50,943
And then when you get old, you get older.

698
00:36:51,103 --> 00:36:53,583
You just realize, oh, my gosh, where did the time go?

699
00:36:53,583 --> 00:36:55,043
I could have done these things.

700
00:36:55,123 --> 00:36:56,163
I could have done all this kind of stuff.

701
00:36:56,203 --> 00:36:58,083
And you just realize that, you know,

702
00:36:58,123 --> 00:37:00,903
you realize how, I mean, just how incredible

703
00:37:00,903 --> 00:37:03,223
and what an opportunity you had

704
00:37:03,223 --> 00:37:05,443
at different points of your life.

705
00:37:06,043 --> 00:37:08,643
And so, yeah, I think it is a sobering thing

706
00:37:08,643 --> 00:37:10,663
that ought to, you know, spur us on.

707
00:37:10,723 --> 00:37:11,663
You can think about with your kids,

708
00:37:11,743 --> 00:37:12,403
time with your kids.

709
00:37:14,403 --> 00:37:14,723
Yeah.

710
00:37:14,823 --> 00:37:16,363
I do want to shill Chester's product though.

711
00:37:16,423 --> 00:37:17,503
He's making more of them.

712
00:37:17,763 --> 00:37:18,843
And it is a really cool product.

713
00:37:18,923 --> 00:37:20,323
So you should go and support him.

714
00:37:20,383 --> 00:37:21,783
I think it's blocktron.io.

715
00:37:22,483 --> 00:37:22,903
That's what it is.

716
00:37:22,943 --> 00:37:23,463
Let's check it out.

717
00:37:23,463 --> 00:37:24,683
we'll pull it up here on the,

718
00:37:24,743 --> 00:37:25,023
uh,

719
00:37:25,023 --> 00:37:25,523
let's see.

720
00:37:25,823 --> 00:37:27,983
It's a kind of got an eighties vibe to it.

721
00:37:27,983 --> 00:37:28,963
It's pretty cool looking.

722
00:37:29,583 --> 00:37:29,823
Yeah.

723
00:37:29,823 --> 00:37:30,623
Let's try this.

724
00:37:30,923 --> 00:37:31,323
Boom.

725
00:37:32,323 --> 00:37:32,543
Yeah.

726
00:37:32,603 --> 00:37:32,843
So,

727
00:37:32,843 --> 00:37:33,123
uh,

728
00:37:33,123 --> 00:37:33,563
Jim,

729
00:37:33,743 --> 00:37:37,683
so Chester made like a founder's edition and Jim grabbed one of those.

730
00:37:37,723 --> 00:37:37,823
Jim,

731
00:37:37,823 --> 00:37:39,063
what number did you get of the,

732
00:37:39,063 --> 00:37:39,203
uh,

733
00:37:39,203 --> 00:37:39,943
the founder's edition?

734
00:37:41,043 --> 00:37:41,483
Uh,

735
00:37:41,603 --> 00:37:42,963
it's hard to remember.

736
00:37:43,663 --> 00:37:44,063
Um,

737
00:37:44,403 --> 00:37:47,103
I may have gotten number one.

738
00:37:48,783 --> 00:37:50,823
He was literally at the,

739
00:37:51,223 --> 00:37:53,203
thank God for Bitcoin barbecue over there,

740
00:37:53,203 --> 00:37:58,383
vibe coding it and i walked up and i was like what's what's going on he's explained the project

741
00:37:58,383 --> 00:38:03,563
to me and stuff and i was like oh can i buy one so i just got lucky he walked up and jess was like

742
00:38:03,563 --> 00:38:07,663
sure you can buy one and he's like what number do you want and he goes can i have number one

743
00:38:07,663 --> 00:38:13,343
and jess was like sure i think there was actually a zero so i wish i had gotten zero because i'm a

744
00:38:13,343 --> 00:38:19,683
computer science guy all computer science is zero based indexing but anyways uh that's actually

745
00:38:19,683 --> 00:38:23,403
ties in since we're talking about vibe coding if you want to bring up the my vibe code tweet

746
00:38:23,403 --> 00:38:28,583
oh yeah let me see that uh so yeah go check these out i don't think there's any available right now

747
00:38:28,583 --> 00:38:34,623
but there there will be he's he's making more yeah so so good to do that um i believe like the

748
00:38:34,623 --> 00:38:38,983
regular he's got i see this is the one that i wanted he's there's one in each of the pub key

749
00:38:38,983 --> 00:38:43,843
bars there's one in new york city that's that was the original one it's a bigger one and then

750
00:38:43,843 --> 00:38:47,803
they're gonna have one i think he made another one already for for the swamp key which is the

751
00:38:47,803 --> 00:38:49,583
the pub key bar in,

752
00:38:49,583 --> 00:38:51,283
in DC that's going to be opening soon.

753
00:38:51,583 --> 00:38:51,943
Uh,

754
00:38:51,943 --> 00:38:52,843
but go check those out.

755
00:38:53,063 --> 00:38:53,783
Keep your eyes peeled.

756
00:38:53,923 --> 00:38:54,983
Do you know when that's opening?

757
00:38:56,423 --> 00:38:56,783
It's,

758
00:38:56,883 --> 00:38:58,123
it's not super long.

759
00:38:58,183 --> 00:38:58,443
I don't,

760
00:38:58,503 --> 00:38:59,883
I maybe ended a year or something.

761
00:39:00,443 --> 00:39:01,883
I wonder if it's going to be before the conference.

762
00:39:01,883 --> 00:39:02,563
We should tell Ben.

763
00:39:02,883 --> 00:39:04,923
Also the videographer in me is dying.

764
00:39:05,343 --> 00:39:07,323
Jordan's head is cut off and Tim,

765
00:39:07,403 --> 00:39:08,663
you're off to the right.

766
00:39:10,323 --> 00:39:10,843
All right.

767
00:39:10,883 --> 00:39:11,383
Is that better?

768
00:39:11,483 --> 00:39:11,663
It's,

769
00:39:11,743 --> 00:39:12,923
it's helping my autism,

770
00:39:13,223 --> 00:39:14,383
but you guys were not,

771
00:39:14,763 --> 00:39:15,723
we need to be lined up.

772
00:39:16,263 --> 00:39:17,683
And this happened to me the other day to you.

773
00:39:17,803 --> 00:39:19,803
It's, we're just still, right?

774
00:39:22,503 --> 00:39:23,723
I'm going to go crazy.

775
00:39:25,143 --> 00:39:26,583
Your vibe coding tweet.

776
00:39:26,763 --> 00:39:30,583
Yeah, Jim, Jim, notorious hater of vibe coding.

777
00:39:31,483 --> 00:39:33,283
Jim, you gave it a whirl the other week.

778
00:39:33,943 --> 00:39:34,343
Yeah.

779
00:39:34,463 --> 00:39:36,483
And you tried to, what was it you actually tried to do?

780
00:39:37,923 --> 00:39:39,603
So I was trying to vibe code up.

781
00:39:39,863 --> 00:39:44,903
There's been a couple of big feature requests on our backlog for like years that I've never gone for.

782
00:39:44,903 --> 00:39:49,143
One of them was doing like terrain follow.

783
00:39:49,143 --> 00:39:54,103
So the drone actually measures its altitude above the ground with a barometric sensor.

784
00:39:54,103 --> 00:39:59,143
And so it only knows how high it is, but where it took off from.

785
00:39:59,143 --> 00:40:12,374
It not like it got a laser that points down and figures out its altitude So what you do is you get like a digital elevation model that has the relative altitudes of the ground above sea level And so what people want

786
00:40:12,374 --> 00:40:17,194
to do is they want to provide their own elevation models because the ones that we have by default

787
00:40:17,194 --> 00:40:24,374
aren't the most accurate in every single area. So I subscribed to Supergrok4 whatever blah blah blah

788
00:40:24,374 --> 00:40:26,474
and OpenAI codecs.

789
00:40:26,874 --> 00:40:29,134
And my goal was to just say,

790
00:40:29,414 --> 00:40:31,474
hey, I want to add

791
00:40:31,474 --> 00:40:33,814
digital elevation model file import

792
00:40:33,814 --> 00:40:34,634
for these formats.

793
00:40:34,834 --> 00:40:36,554
And I want you to just go update

794
00:40:36,554 --> 00:40:38,034
all the code that you need to update

795
00:40:38,034 --> 00:40:38,954
to make that happen

796
00:40:38,954 --> 00:40:40,454
and allow the user to like

797
00:40:40,454 --> 00:40:41,394
add and remove the file.

798
00:40:41,694 --> 00:40:42,434
And it was just like

799
00:40:42,434 --> 00:40:43,874
a super high level request.

800
00:40:44,694 --> 00:40:45,974
Don't tell us any information yet.

801
00:40:46,114 --> 00:40:46,914
Don't tell us how it went

802
00:40:46,914 --> 00:40:47,994
because we want to share the tweet.

803
00:40:48,454 --> 00:40:50,574
Jim, so here we are reporting back.

804
00:40:51,454 --> 00:40:52,494
How are things going

805
00:40:52,494 --> 00:40:55,134
with this thing here,

806
00:40:55,814 --> 00:40:57,494
with Jim's experiment.

807
00:40:57,674 --> 00:40:58,674
He shared a tweet about it.

808
00:40:58,754 --> 00:40:59,534
Let's get this.

809
00:41:00,614 --> 00:41:01,814
And here it is.

810
00:41:02,694 --> 00:41:05,294
Happy to report that both AIs were an epic failure.

811
00:41:05,474 --> 00:41:06,614
Humans are safe for now.

812
00:41:09,334 --> 00:41:11,814
Yeah, and then Cole says that.

813
00:41:11,814 --> 00:41:12,474
And then Cole, part of the program,

814
00:41:12,674 --> 00:41:13,654
Cole, shout out to Cole.

815
00:41:13,934 --> 00:41:15,914
One of the great upcoming tweeters

816
00:41:15,914 --> 00:41:18,434
of modern times,

817
00:41:19,014 --> 00:41:20,674
a poor workman blames his tools.

818
00:41:21,854 --> 00:41:22,374
Absolutely.

819
00:41:22,494 --> 00:41:28,754
fantastic what a tweet so i guess what he's saying is i'm not a great prompt engineer

820
00:41:28,754 --> 00:41:34,794
uh so touche i i i guess if i really wanted to lean into it was work though

821
00:41:34,794 --> 00:41:44,854
yeah well okay so here's here's like the measured take between those two so uh if i was willing to

822
00:41:44,854 --> 00:41:50,894
sit down and break the problem down further and use the ai as hey i want you to code this part of

823
00:41:50,894 --> 00:41:55,914
this feature or I coded this up can you check it for errors or hey can you just read this file

824
00:41:55,914 --> 00:42:02,514
format it probably would have gotten me 90% of the way there on some of those things and so yes

825
00:42:02,514 --> 00:42:08,194
I think that if you're a software engineer and you're not using AI you are selling yourself short

826
00:42:08,194 --> 00:42:14,854
and unfortunately there's sort of a prisoner's dilemma here right and so if you don't do it it's

827
00:42:14,854 --> 00:42:22,294
like the other person is going to do it. And so I think you do have to use AI in software

828
00:42:22,294 --> 00:42:28,414
engineering right now. But it's not to the point where it can do high level features that span

829
00:42:28,414 --> 00:42:34,474
multiple repositories on GitHub, and it can just figure out all the details. You kind of have to

830
00:42:34,474 --> 00:42:41,014
sit there and massage it. And so I think I probably would have had to spend like a week

831
00:42:41,014 --> 00:42:43,694
going back and forth and doing prompt engineering

832
00:42:43,694 --> 00:42:46,194
and copying the code and verifying it

833
00:42:46,194 --> 00:42:47,054
and all that kind of stuff.

834
00:42:47,274 --> 00:42:50,194
Whereas the feature on my own without AI

835
00:42:50,194 --> 00:42:51,654
probably would take a month.

836
00:42:52,034 --> 00:42:54,154
And so, yes, a week is better than a month,

837
00:42:54,294 --> 00:42:56,794
but a week is still a large amount of time

838
00:42:56,794 --> 00:42:57,634
that I don't have.

839
00:42:58,054 --> 00:43:01,154
So until it gets there, I'm not doing it.

840
00:43:01,934 --> 00:43:02,414
Yeah.

841
00:43:03,454 --> 00:43:05,454
So again, that has been,

842
00:43:05,574 --> 00:43:07,434
Jim complains about AI Corner.

843
00:43:07,674 --> 00:43:10,474
It's one of our favorite recurring segments

844
00:43:10,474 --> 00:43:11,134
of the podcast.

845
00:43:11,894 --> 00:43:12,614
Anybody else?

846
00:43:12,654 --> 00:43:13,074
I'm trying to think,

847
00:43:13,114 --> 00:43:14,674
do we have any other ones?

848
00:43:15,034 --> 00:43:16,754
Well, I was talking with Tim about this.

849
00:43:17,074 --> 00:43:18,254
Tim, I don't know if you want to chime in,

850
00:43:18,374 --> 00:43:23,054
but just this idea that my generation

851
00:43:23,054 --> 00:43:24,734
might be the last generation

852
00:43:24,734 --> 00:43:26,174
of actual software developers.

853
00:43:27,094 --> 00:43:30,054
Because again, we're like in this Goldilocks zone

854
00:43:30,054 --> 00:43:31,254
where I've got 20 years

855
00:43:31,254 --> 00:43:32,534
of software development experience.

856
00:43:32,974 --> 00:43:34,934
So I am best positioned to be able

857
00:43:34,934 --> 00:43:36,994
to take advantage of the tools as they are now.

858
00:43:37,174 --> 00:43:38,354
But then in the future,

859
00:43:38,534 --> 00:43:40,214
with kids that are like graduating,

860
00:43:40,474 --> 00:43:43,874
right now, they are AI natives.

861
00:43:44,354 --> 00:43:46,674
And so they never, like,

862
00:43:47,234 --> 00:43:48,754
they're never going to have the ability

863
00:43:48,754 --> 00:43:51,494
because you have to use AI to keep up, right?

864
00:43:51,554 --> 00:43:53,454
And so they're never going to have the ability

865
00:43:53,454 --> 00:43:55,574
to spend two decades learning a craft.

866
00:43:56,674 --> 00:43:59,934
And so, and 20 years from now,

867
00:44:00,074 --> 00:44:02,074
there's not going to be anybody like me

868
00:44:02,074 --> 00:44:03,174
that knows how to code.

869
00:44:03,694 --> 00:44:05,634
All they're going to know how to do is prompt engineer.

870
00:44:05,994 --> 00:44:07,114
Now, you can make the argument,

871
00:44:07,254 --> 00:44:09,374
it doesn't matter because by then the AI is going to be so good

872
00:44:09,374 --> 00:44:11,934
that like nobody's going to be prompt engineering anyways.

873
00:44:12,094 --> 00:44:14,594
They're just going to be having whims

874
00:44:14,594 --> 00:44:15,794
and saying, oh, I just,

875
00:44:16,014 --> 00:44:18,094
I want to have this app that does this thing.

876
00:44:18,134 --> 00:44:19,014
And like, that's enough.

877
00:44:19,014 --> 00:44:20,414
Like it could somehow figure it out.

878
00:44:20,534 --> 00:44:21,614
But I don't know.

879
00:44:21,694 --> 00:44:22,994
I think the jury's out on that one.

880
00:44:23,014 --> 00:44:24,314
And I think we're losing something.

881
00:44:24,434 --> 00:44:26,194
And it's not just in software development.

882
00:44:26,274 --> 00:44:27,394
I think it's across the board.

883
00:44:27,534 --> 00:44:28,634
And I think people are just,

884
00:44:28,814 --> 00:44:31,474
this whole idea of outsourcing your intelligence

885
00:44:31,474 --> 00:44:33,234
and all of your thoughts to the AI

886
00:44:33,234 --> 00:44:35,054
and just having it spoon feed you everything.

887
00:44:35,534 --> 00:44:36,894
Essentially, just think about like

888
00:44:36,894 --> 00:44:39,294
your YouTube suggested videos

889
00:44:39,294 --> 00:44:42,014
feed, but for everything in your life.

890
00:44:42,134 --> 00:44:42,454
Correct.

891
00:44:44,114 --> 00:44:46,694
There's a lot of people who are not going to have the, they're not going to want to deal

892
00:44:46,694 --> 00:44:47,934
with the friction of fighting it.

893
00:44:47,974 --> 00:44:51,614
So they're just going to go along with it and end up being, again, just there's so many,

894
00:44:51,654 --> 00:44:53,574
so many ways this can go bad.

895
00:44:54,034 --> 00:44:57,934
Let's check out our friend, Aubrey Strobel, who has a similar tweet that kind of brings

896
00:44:57,934 --> 00:44:58,514
us full circle.

897
00:44:59,394 --> 00:45:03,254
Aubrey Strobel, being a millennial is like taking the last copter out of man.

898
00:45:03,254 --> 00:45:10,614
so yeah this brings up jim's jim's point about uh you know there's going to be the potential for

899
00:45:10,614 --> 00:45:15,334
uh for a lot of you know generation alpha and these people coming behind to be just

900
00:45:15,334 --> 00:45:20,374
super frustrated with the world that uh you know that that was that's given to them and

901
00:45:20,374 --> 00:45:26,434
this could get exponentially worse if if that is the case uh so yeah be careful what you wish for

902
00:45:26,434 --> 00:45:30,474
uh millennials because you just might get it what do you think tim do you think

903
00:45:30,474 --> 00:45:32,474
AI people are just going to keep

904
00:45:32,474 --> 00:45:34,894
outsourcing more and more of their cognition to it

905
00:45:34,894 --> 00:45:36,594
or it's going to be a reverse trend like

906
00:45:36,594 --> 00:45:38,834
millennials don't let their kids have access to

907
00:45:38,834 --> 00:45:39,434
phones now

908
00:45:39,434 --> 00:45:42,774
it will probably

909
00:45:42,774 --> 00:45:43,654
be like

910
00:45:43,654 --> 00:45:46,734
however many years you know I'm just old

911
00:45:46,734 --> 00:45:48,814
enough to where smartphones were not really a thing

912
00:45:48,814 --> 00:45:50,614
when I was in high school or even in college

913
00:45:50,614 --> 00:45:52,354
they started coming out right after college

914
00:45:52,354 --> 00:45:54,754
and it's like I'm really thankful

915
00:45:54,754 --> 00:45:56,954
for that looking back you know I had a little stupid

916
00:45:56,954 --> 00:45:58,594
flip phone that was really hard to text on

917
00:45:58,594 --> 00:46:03,774
but you know i don't know it looks like what we've gone through 20 years of parents just handing

918
00:46:03,774 --> 00:46:08,814
their kids ipads and smartphones and you know all kinds of carnage everywhere because of it

919
00:46:08,814 --> 00:46:14,594
and maybe hopefully who knows i'm not sure you still see a lot of kids glued to ipads at restaurants

920
00:46:14,594 --> 00:46:19,254
maybe people are being smart now and they're like okay maybe this wasn't such a good idea and we

921
00:46:19,254 --> 00:46:24,554
should hold off and handing kids to smartphones social media so i don't know maybe we'll go

922
00:46:24,554 --> 00:46:27,674
through something like that where you get through a couple decades of people like yeah what's the

923
00:46:27,674 --> 00:46:32,254
big deal, no problem, and lots of damage done because of it, and people starting to say,

924
00:46:32,354 --> 00:46:37,134
wait a minute, maybe we should be careful about how much we hand this stuff over.

925
00:46:37,914 --> 00:46:41,234
I just read this tweet, Derek Thompson, I think he's a writer for The Atlantic.

926
00:46:41,974 --> 00:46:48,354
He was talking to some, replying to somebody who was talking about, you know, this huge

927
00:46:48,354 --> 00:46:51,374
problem now in college education, all of a sudden everybody's cheating like crazy.

928
00:46:52,274 --> 00:46:57,554
You can't assign term papers anymore because kids just go home and cheat and use chat,

929
00:46:57,554 --> 00:47:02,154
GPT to write their essays for him. But how do you learn anything if you don't go through all the

930
00:47:02,154 --> 00:47:07,934
trouble of doing research and studying and writing? And his reply was, writing is not a second thing

931
00:47:07,934 --> 00:47:13,694
that happens after thinking. The act of writing is an act of thinking. Writing is thinking. Anyone

932
00:47:13,694 --> 00:47:18,774
who outsources their writing to LLMs will find their screens full of words and their minds emptied

933
00:47:18,774 --> 00:47:25,714
of thought. That's a good little phrase there and terrifying to think about. I don't know,

934
00:47:25,714 --> 00:47:30,174
Maybe people have to learn the hard way why the liberal arts are called the liberal arts.

935
00:47:30,174 --> 00:47:37,134
You know, not liberal in the sense of, you know, I'm going to go learn about Adam Smith or Hillary Clinton or something like that.

936
00:47:37,214 --> 00:47:41,134
But liberal in the old, old, old sense of being a free person, not a slave.

937
00:47:41,454 --> 00:47:48,774
The liberal arts are what you study when you have the luxury and the time and the wealth to think and to slow down.

938
00:47:49,114 --> 00:47:54,794
And maybe we're going to be just turning ourselves more and more into slaves, if not actually mentally.

939
00:47:54,794 --> 00:47:58,714
we won't know how to think anymore we don't won't know how to understand anything we won't know how

940
00:47:58,714 --> 00:48:03,174
to tell stories we won't have stories to make sense of our lives and we will be no better than slaves

941
00:48:03,174 --> 00:48:11,094
i can definitely uh corroborate that when it comes to programming there's different levels

942
00:48:11,094 --> 00:48:17,334
of abstraction and you can like i can just be on an airplane for eight hours and dream up a feature

943
00:48:17,334 --> 00:48:20,954
or something and think about the high level architecture but until i got a keyboard in

944
00:48:20,954 --> 00:48:25,834
front of me can actually sling the code there's a different level of granularity and kind of detail

945
00:48:25,834 --> 00:48:30,674
that you can start fleshing out when you're actually typing at the keyboard and seeing the

946
00:48:30,674 --> 00:48:36,554
code come out in front of you um that just you can't there's no replacement you have to actually

947
00:48:36,554 --> 00:48:45,674
go through the pain of writing it i think you're muted jordan yes thank you for that it is one of

948
00:48:45,674 --> 00:48:50,154
these things where there is no shortcut. You, you have to die in order to like, you know,

949
00:48:50,154 --> 00:48:54,594
like death or life comes from death. Like this is, this is what happened. Like this so much of,

950
00:48:54,894 --> 00:49:01,714
I mean, there's a fantastic documentary about, uh, he's a farmer. It's like the lunatic farmer,

951
00:49:01,834 --> 00:49:05,774
Joel Salatin, where he just basically talks about the way that God has designed the world to work

952
00:49:05,774 --> 00:49:11,234
is things die. And then they basically turn into new, you know, they basically turn into compost

953
00:49:11,234 --> 00:49:14,134
that basically helps other things grow out of their death.

954
00:49:14,694 --> 00:49:18,674
And so this also applies with things like Jim is talking about.

955
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God has designed it to where we labor,

956
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we deny ourselves, we die to ourselves,

957
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and we set our minds or our bodies on a task

958
00:49:27,334 --> 00:49:29,774
and out of that death springs life.

959
00:49:30,134 --> 00:49:32,614
And so I think that, yeah, this is to act like

960
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and to think it would be desirable to escape thinking,

961
00:49:36,334 --> 00:49:38,234
to be freed from thinking

962
00:49:38,234 --> 00:49:45,074
is really just making yourself a slave to, you know, either wittingly and, you know,

963
00:49:45,114 --> 00:49:50,014
you know who your enslavers are or just unwittingly, you're just becoming a mindless,

964
00:49:50,214 --> 00:49:56,974
you know, a mindless drone. And this is, it brings up who's this, I believe it's GK Beal.

965
00:49:56,974 --> 00:50:02,354
Is it Tim who wrote, you are what you worship? And so you have, yeah. And so you've got this,

966
00:50:02,354 --> 00:50:09,034
I mean, I, I've had this, this, this realization of, you know, I'm on my phone and, you know,

967
00:50:09,054 --> 00:50:12,774
I'm working on something and one of the kids is calling me and I'm, and I'm just like calling

968
00:50:12,774 --> 00:50:17,694
or I'm like focused here. And then, uh, you know, basically they'll come over and like,

969
00:50:17,714 --> 00:50:20,454
they'll just basically, Hey dad, can you come, you know, do this thing? And I'm like, Oh yeah,

970
00:50:20,554 --> 00:50:25,834
sure. And so it's, it's literally like, it's so easy for us to become like these devices. Like

971
00:50:25,834 --> 00:50:30,974
it's easy for me to become like a phone or become like a computer where you're like, I it's, you

972
00:50:30,974 --> 00:50:35,894
can't hear. It's like when somebody comes up and touches your keys or pushes a button on you,

973
00:50:35,974 --> 00:50:40,654
then you activate and then you're able. And so it's just like how much more as we kind of,

974
00:50:40,974 --> 00:50:46,434
as these choices that we're making compound, it's just like, man, this can get to a really,

975
00:50:46,434 --> 00:50:52,534
really dystopian and even more unsustainable situation than the one that we're in.

976
00:50:53,354 --> 00:50:58,554
Again, the Lord is very kind though. We do have lots of examples of things getting to the point

977
00:50:58,554 --> 00:51:00,714
where they're, you know, unsustainable

978
00:51:00,714 --> 00:51:02,194
and the Lord just kind of pulls the plug.

979
00:51:02,294 --> 00:51:04,834
So we've got Tower of Babel-like moments,

980
00:51:04,894 --> 00:51:06,214
a number of them all throughout history.

981
00:51:06,414 --> 00:51:08,274
And so this, you know,

982
00:51:08,274 --> 00:51:10,094
is just comforting to think about

983
00:51:10,094 --> 00:51:11,354
that even in the worst case,

984
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God is still more committed to his own glory

985
00:51:15,114 --> 00:51:17,614
and our good than we'll ever be committed to anything.

986
00:51:17,614 --> 00:51:19,954
And so we can trust him to bring about

987
00:51:19,954 --> 00:51:24,034
the required happenings to get us where

988
00:51:24,034 --> 00:51:25,734
and a more sustainable path.

989
00:51:25,734 --> 00:51:31,314
well i guess that was such a compelling point that no one has anything else to say

990
00:51:31,314 --> 00:51:36,474
i'll give any of you guys any other tweets tim anything uh i know you had you guys you had

991
00:51:36,474 --> 00:51:43,034
family in town this week any other uh things that impacted you on your end i came across this quote

992
00:51:43,034 --> 00:51:50,774
uh again by wh out in uh 20th century poet um he said and this is related what we're just talking

993
00:51:50,774 --> 00:51:55,354
about he said what fascinates and terrifies us about the roman empire is not that it finally

994
00:51:55,354 --> 00:52:01,154
went smash, but that it managed to last for four centuries without creativity, warmth, or hope.

995
00:52:02,054 --> 00:52:09,394
I mean, kind of a depressing thought, but you can go a long time kind of just surviving as a society

996
00:52:09,394 --> 00:52:16,294
in a very dark kind of way without hope. And, you know, we hope and we pray that God brings light

997
00:52:16,294 --> 00:52:22,554
into our world, most of all through the gospel, but also, you know, through his kindness and his

998
00:52:22,554 --> 00:52:27,734
mercy through more general revelatory things like bitcoin through uh things turning around

999
00:52:27,734 --> 00:52:34,294
socially and politically and culturally so that people suffer less but yeah it's sobering to

1000
00:52:34,294 --> 00:52:40,034
remember that these things can go badly for a long time i don't i can't think of a better note to end

1001
00:52:40,034 --> 00:52:45,114
on than uh be out and pilling yourself uh this is put put down your orange pills you've probably

1002
00:52:45,114 --> 00:52:50,534
taken plenty if you're watching this and go out and pill yourself uh tim jim appreciate you guys

1003
00:52:50,534 --> 00:52:54,934
grateful for your continued contributions in the Bitcoin space, having all kinds of fantastic

1004
00:52:54,934 --> 00:53:00,434
conversations with all kinds of interesting people all over the place. We look forward to,

1005
00:53:00,694 --> 00:53:05,794
again, we're trying to figure out a timing, like a rhythm for you guys that works. Things are

1006
00:53:05,794 --> 00:53:10,454
getting tricky. So we'll figure that out. We'll report back and we'll see you on episode 24

1007
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this coming Tuesday of To The Unknown Pod.

1008
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