1 00:00:02,059 --> 00:00:03,520 What's up everybody? 2 00:00:04,530 --> 00:00:05,880 What's up, what's up, what's up? 3 00:00:06,740 --> 00:00:07,200 Freedom Tech. 4 00:00:08,540 --> 00:00:10,340 Alright, I'm just checking here. 5 00:00:10,610 --> 00:00:12,020 Welcome everybody to Freedom Tech weekend. 6 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,540 Let's make sure that the stream is live. 7 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,320 Going to find my channel here. 8 00:00:20,139 --> 00:00:20,740 Okay. 9 00:00:22,580 --> 00:00:24,660 How Tor enables borderless browsing. 10 00:00:25,919 --> 00:00:27,740 Okay, we're live on YouTube. 11 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,540 We'll assume that X is working and that that stream are working. 12 00:00:32,419 --> 00:00:33,620 Okay, welcome everybody. 13 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:40,780 Today we are talking about the Tor network or the onion router, which is what Tor stands for. 14 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:48,580 So we will dive right in. I'm going to let people just have a few moments here to join as we start talking about it. 15 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:55,620 Maybe I'll pop over real quick and check to make sure that Zap.Stream is working. 16 00:00:58,920 --> 00:00:59,700 There we go. 17 00:01:00,340 --> 00:01:01,360 Let's see, zap.stream. 18 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,699 Because, you know, we love being there, too. 19 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:06,640 Looks like we're up and live. 20 00:01:07,260 --> 00:01:08,700 All right, we're working on zap.stream. 21 00:01:09,180 --> 00:01:10,220 Feel free to join the chat. 22 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,980 I'm going to keep the chat on zap.stream open as well on the side over here. 23 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,360 And then I've got the other chats for X and YouTube open. 24 00:01:18,420 --> 00:01:27,660 So if you are joining from any of those, x, YouTube, zap.stream, go ahead and chat and we'll see it. 25 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,760 Your chat messages will be part of the show. 26 00:01:30,900 --> 00:01:34,880 You will help direct and guide what we talk about and how this is. 27 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:35,580 I want this to be interactive. 28 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,700 I really enjoy interactive live streams. 29 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,880 I think that they make for much better content. 30 00:01:42,020 --> 00:02:02,900 And really, we are doing this as a community here to learn about Freedom Tech tools that we can use and explore every weekend so we can one by one decouple our lives from systems that are captured, permissioned, that are proprietary, closed, and really systems that own our data instead of us owning it ourselves. 31 00:02:04,060 --> 00:02:07,460 That's what we're doing here week in and week out at Freedom Tech Weekend. 32 00:02:08,399 --> 00:02:11,760 If you are new to Freedom Tech Weekend, we have a backlog of episodes. 33 00:02:11,940 --> 00:02:14,020 This is episode eight, so it's a fairly new show. 34 00:02:14,180 --> 00:02:17,960 We've been doing this for about two months now, although I've been podcasting about Freedom 35 00:02:18,140 --> 00:02:19,360 Tech for over two years. 36 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:25,900 I started a couple years ago, have taken some on and off breaks, but I've started up recently 37 00:02:26,100 --> 00:02:30,360 again doing this weekly format where it's actually a live stream coupled with archive 38 00:02:30,980 --> 00:02:32,960 so that people can go back and check out the old stuff. 39 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,600 And what we do is we pick one tool. 40 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,680 It can be an app, open source project, you know, some kind of freedom tech tool. 41 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,580 We show it off and play around with it here for 30 minutes. 42 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:49,320 We learn about the history of the project, maybe what security tradeoffs are being made, 43 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,440 privacy tradeoffs, and then we stick it in the archive. 44 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:59,060 And the hope is that you will hear something today that you can play around with during 45 00:02:59,100 --> 00:02:59,920 your free time this weekend. 46 00:03:01,060 --> 00:03:06,300 Okay, well welcome to all of our listeners. We've got six people joining here on the streams. 47 00:03:06,900 --> 00:03:12,220 Welcome. Again, jump in the live chat and comment away. Today we are learning about 48 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:17,360 Tor, the Onion Router, the Tor browser, the Tor network. It goes by many names 49 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:25,740 and many people have heard of this. Some have used it, some haven't. You might have heard of it 50 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,100 because it was used to describe criminal activity 51 00:03:29,530 --> 00:03:33,180 or nefarious things or unsavory behavior that happens. 52 00:03:33,940 --> 00:03:37,940 One of the places where Tor really became famous 53 00:03:38,010 --> 00:03:39,620 was on that show Mr. Robot. 54 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,540 That was, what was that, like 10 years ago or so? 55 00:03:43,100 --> 00:03:45,260 Mr. Robot was a really interesting, cool show. 56 00:03:45,860 --> 00:03:48,240 And in the very first episode, the very first scene, 57 00:03:48,870 --> 00:03:54,199 Tor is brought up as a way that he was able to catch this guy 58 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:58,540 who was exchanging really unsavory content online. 59 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,980 And he talked about an actual exploit that he did 60 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,060 in the Onion Router network. 61 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,060 So let's talk about what that is, Onion Router. 62 00:04:08,700 --> 00:04:10,180 Let's talk about what its uses are. 63 00:04:10,660 --> 00:04:12,460 It really is a tool for freedom. 64 00:04:12,980 --> 00:04:15,400 It is a tool for anyone, regular people. 65 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:16,959 It doesn't have to be criminals. 66 00:04:18,060 --> 00:04:20,299 It is a tool that allows people 67 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,900 to use the internet freely. 68 00:04:23,980 --> 00:04:30,400 effectively regardless of what jurisdiction you are in the firewalls that might be in place 69 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:36,140 imposed upon you by governments or organizations that are present and 70 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:44,340 yeah so yes there are tools that are very productive to get used by good people and 71 00:04:44,620 --> 00:04:52,099 people for bad purposes that's just the way life is and so let's examine this really powerful 72 00:04:52,100 --> 00:05:02,300 tool for the good uses that it can have rather than letting it be dragged through the mud by 73 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:08,680 some of the bad cases that you can think of. Okay, so let's jump in. I've got like a bit of a history 74 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:16,560 that I put together here on the Tor project and so we'll go through that. What I will do is I will 75 00:05:16,500 --> 00:05:20,720 share my screen and we'll kind of talk about the Tor project page as we talk 76 00:05:20,900 --> 00:05:36,360 about Tor itself. So let me get my screen share going over here. Bring up my home 77 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:41,060 server that I use. Alright I've got my background going and then I want to get 78 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:49,860 my camera looking good. And we're going to change this to be a nice little oval shape. 79 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,940 Get myself out of the way a little bit more. There we go. If you're listening on audio, 80 00:05:54,300 --> 00:05:59,680 that's totally fine. I love listening to audio archive podcasts. So welcome to my audio listeners. 81 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:05,900 What we have here on the screen is on the right side here, we've got the Tor project 82 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,780 and a web browser. This is the Orion web browser that we have covered on a previous episode here. 83 00:06:10,940 --> 00:06:12,360 So if you want to check that out, go ahead. 84 00:06:13,310 --> 00:06:17,420 And then on the left side, I've got Maple here, which is our end-to-end encrypted AI chat, 85 00:06:17,700 --> 00:06:22,500 similar to ChatGPT, but privately encrypted with your own private encryption key. 86 00:06:23,110 --> 00:06:26,540 So nobody but you knows what's going on with the LLM. 87 00:06:28,180 --> 00:06:32,120 And we use Maple throughout here to ask questions and get better understanding. 88 00:06:33,060 --> 00:06:33,120 Great. 89 00:06:33,590 --> 00:06:36,740 So this is the Tor project website. 90 00:06:37,060 --> 00:06:44,160 and just to give you a brief history of what you know what Tor is it it really 91 00:06:44,220 --> 00:06:47,240 started as a project in the 90s and it was started by the United States 92 00:06:47,380 --> 00:06:51,020 government the United States Naval Research Laboratory or NRL began 93 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,920 developing a system to protect online communications project was led by a few 94 00:06:56,100 --> 00:06:59,900 people I'm not even try to pronounce their names but you can look them up if 95 00:06:59,900 --> 00:07:02,719 you want to they made an initial prototype of the onion routing system 96 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:10,940 And in 2002, and really the early 2000s, the NRL released the source code of the system under an open source license. 97 00:07:11,130 --> 00:07:12,980 And that's when the Tor project was born. 98 00:07:13,870 --> 00:07:22,920 Now, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, EFF, had a lot of involvement early on and is still an advocate for the Tor network, from what I can tell. 99 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:29,820 An actual Tor project independent organization was set up in the early 2000s as well. 100 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:38,680 So there's a 501c3 nonprofit organization in the United States that works to maintain and develop and push forward the TOR project. 101 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:44,840 Today, it's maintained by developers, researchers, advocates really from around the world. 102 00:07:45,730 --> 00:07:48,700 So it's not just a United States-centric thing. 103 00:07:49,630 --> 00:07:52,440 It was born here, but there are people around the world supporting this now. 104 00:07:52,620 --> 00:08:09,000 It's funded by all sorts of organizations like in the United States, the National Science Foundation, the Knight Foundation, the Open Technology Fund, as well as thousands of others, the Mozilla Foundation, community volunteers who support it as well. 105 00:08:09,820 --> 00:08:17,180 They support it financially, but also they support it by contributing to the code base, testing things out, maintaining the Tor software. 106 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:27,560 And then one of the biggest parts of the community that maintains this whole project are the people who run the actual relays, run the actual software that power the network. 107 00:08:28,220 --> 00:08:29,460 And we'll get into that as well. 108 00:08:30,380 --> 00:08:42,180 Now, I do want to point out here that the United States government has had a huge part of giving birth to this project and the network and still has a role in it. 109 00:08:42,580 --> 00:08:58,180 How deep the role is, how much, it's not fully known, but there is a lot of strong evidence that the United States government is still funding a lot of this project moving forward, including DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. 110 00:08:58,940 --> 00:09:04,400 DARPA has had a significant role in the development of the TOR network. 111 00:09:05,620 --> 00:09:06,480 All right, so what is TOR? 112 00:09:06,660 --> 00:09:07,860 Let's say that you are here today. 113 00:09:08,570 --> 00:09:09,820 How many people do we have on the stream? 114 00:09:10,050 --> 00:09:11,540 And let's keep watching the chat as well. 115 00:09:12,380 --> 00:09:13,920 Okay, so you're here. 116 00:09:14,170 --> 00:09:17,340 We have, we got 13 people on the stream. 117 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:18,340 Welcome, everybody. 118 00:09:19,700 --> 00:09:22,920 If you've never heard of Tor or if someone's mentioned it and you thought, 119 00:09:23,150 --> 00:09:26,680 oh, that's that thing that bad people use to do bad things online, 120 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,320 I'm here to tell you that it's so much more than that. 121 00:09:29,700 --> 00:09:32,460 So what is Tor really and why is it so important? 122 00:09:32,810 --> 00:09:38,080 Well, it's a free open source software that helps you browse the Internet anonymously and securely. 123 00:09:38,940 --> 00:09:43,840 When you use the Tor browser, your internet traffic is routed through a network of volunteer-run servers, 124 00:09:44,460 --> 00:09:46,600 making it difficult for anyone to track your online activities. 125 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,160 This is especially important for many people. 126 00:09:49,560 --> 00:09:54,040 So yes, people can use it for bad things, but it's also useful for journalists, activists, 127 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,540 and other people who need to protect their online anonymity. 128 00:09:58,100 --> 00:10:04,360 I would posit that you, as an everyday person, someone who feels like privacy is a human right, 129 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:06,160 then Tor is for you. 130 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:07,800 Okay. 131 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:15,440 I'll just shorten it down to that. How does Tor work? Well, let's walk into that. Let's take a 132 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:20,480 closer look at the technology behind this Tor network. So when you send data, you do it, 133 00:10:21,260 --> 00:10:27,080 most people use it by downloading the Tor browser. So let me, I'm on the website here. 134 00:10:28,199 --> 00:10:32,579 Okay. So I'm on the website here. You come, you download the Tor browser. This is how most people 135 00:10:32,580 --> 00:10:38,620 get into the Tor network. And it's supported on all sorts of different platforms. Okay. 136 00:10:39,130 --> 00:10:47,000 All the major ones. Now you'll notice iOS is not present. There is an app for using 137 00:10:47,260 --> 00:10:56,120 Tor on iOS. It's partnered with some kind of Tor VPN. I've had mixed results over the 138 00:10:56,260 --> 00:11:02,080 years trying to use Tor on iOS. So that's one reason why it's not listed here officially. 139 00:11:03,140 --> 00:11:07,140 but you can look into that if you want to but you can get it for all these other major platforms 140 00:11:07,490 --> 00:11:11,460 and that's great so use accordingly how you want to 141 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:19,480 but the way that it works is you open up the tor browser or you have some software that knows how 142 00:11:19,510 --> 00:11:23,580 to talk to the tor network but let's just let's just say the rest of this as if you're using the 143 00:11:23,580 --> 00:11:31,299 tor browser just to make it easy so it it takes your communication and it encrypts it and wraps 144 00:11:31,300 --> 00:11:36,480 it in multiple layers of encryption. So it says, okay, I want to look up this website, right? I 145 00:11:36,580 --> 00:11:40,980 want to go to try maple.ai. It's just up on the screen here. So I'm going to use that as an 146 00:11:41,100 --> 00:11:46,900 example. I want to go to try maple.ai, right? So if I go to my browser and say try maple.ai, 147 00:11:48,100 --> 00:11:56,199 I'm just on a regular network, right? So I just get dumped into this website. Okay. But let's say 148 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:02,240 that I was using Tor. Well, instead of going straight to try maple.ai, which means that my 149 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:07,040 internet service provider knows that I'm going there because I'm using my internet and they see 150 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:14,620 that I want to go to that website and my privacy is not very secure. Well, Tor will take that and 151 00:12:14,940 --> 00:12:20,020 we'll wrap it in multiple layers of encryption. This is where the onion metaphor comes from. 152 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:26,040 And then it passes your packet around to lots of different computers around the world. 153 00:12:26,140 --> 00:12:36,340 and the way that that works is that each computer which is a relay or a node it knows the previous 154 00:12:36,680 --> 00:12:42,160 and the next hop that it needs to make on this path on this circuit it doesn't know the entire 155 00:12:42,500 --> 00:12:48,040 path it's only given the one previous and the next one and so it receives this packet from someone 156 00:12:48,180 --> 00:12:53,999 from a node and it removes one layer of encryption and then passes it on to the next one 157 00:12:54,620 --> 00:13:00,020 so the data is decrypted one layer at a time per relay and then the final relay is called the exit 158 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:05,520 node and that's where it sends the data to the final destination on the internet so i think this 159 00:13:05,620 --> 00:13:10,840 is important to kind of repeat the client at the beginning adds all these layers up front and then 160 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:17,780 each relay removes one layer of encryption so that only the exit node sees the payload and it sees it 161 00:13:17,780 --> 00:13:23,980 in plain text so in my example of going to try maple.ai the exit node would see that i wanted to 162 00:13:23,980 --> 00:13:29,760 now the exit node probably has no idea who I am because I'm obfuscated away through all these 163 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:35,560 different hops but it does see the address I'm going to now let's say that this was something 164 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,820 where I had a bunch of sensitive personal information in there the exit node would see 165 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,480 that and could potentially know about me so if you really want true full end-to-end encryption 166 00:13:44,900 --> 00:13:52,180 you will want to use HTTPS SSH or other end-to-end encrypted things so in this example using Maple 167 00:13:52,180 --> 00:13:57,060 Maple is already end-to-end encrypted, so I could use Maple safely on the network, 168 00:13:57,190 --> 00:14:01,300 and the exit node would not know what I'm talking about because it is end-to-end encrypted and keep it confidential. 169 00:14:02,780 --> 00:14:05,900 There are three node types on the Tor network. 170 00:14:06,590 --> 00:14:11,980 In fact, I want to, let's see, give me, in Maple here, we're going to pull up Maple, 171 00:14:12,140 --> 00:14:15,980 and I want to have it give me like a text network diagram of the Tor network. 172 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:23,160 Give me a brief text network diagram of the Tor network. 173 00:14:24,660 --> 00:14:26,000 Okay, let's see if this can do this. 174 00:14:26,260 --> 00:14:27,260 I'll be interested to see. 175 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:29,820 Kind of experimenting a little bit here. 176 00:14:30,500 --> 00:14:33,400 If you don't know, my name is Marks, so I didn't say that at the beginning, 177 00:14:33,590 --> 00:14:36,820 but it's me and a co-founder. 178 00:14:36,980 --> 00:14:41,820 We make Maple AI, which is your end-to-end encrypted private AI solution. 179 00:14:43,380 --> 00:14:45,320 So I use this every day, all day. 180 00:14:45,420 --> 00:14:49,920 All right, so here's the R network diagram. It starts with your device using a Tor client, 181 00:14:50,220 --> 00:14:54,000 typically a Tor browser, and it goes to an entry node, which is called a guard node, 182 00:14:54,820 --> 00:15:00,440 and that guard node encrypts all of your traffic. Well, the client encrypts traffic, right, but then 183 00:15:00,500 --> 00:15:06,480 passes it to the guard node, and then the guard node takes it, it passes it along to a middle 184 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:11,180 node, and there are n number of middle nodes, right? So it's going to pass around all these 185 00:15:11,180 --> 00:15:15,380 different middle nodes and each one will remove one layer of encryption and then 186 00:15:15,380 --> 00:15:19,740 the exit node which in fancy terminology is called egress node that is just where 187 00:15:19,740 --> 00:15:25,080 it leaves the network then it goes out and talks to the actual internet and it 188 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:31,280 gives you your thing and then it passes it back okay I want to know this is 189 00:15:31,340 --> 00:15:32,760 going off my screen here. 190 00:15:35,340 --> 00:15:37,320 Give me the security 191 00:15:40,100 --> 00:15:40,320 diagram 192 00:15:42,220 --> 00:15:42,960 in reverse 193 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:46,200 when the website 194 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:48,560 is coming back to the client. 195 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,340 So we saw how it gets to the website 196 00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:54,480 and gets to the internet. Well, how does it feed it back to you? 197 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:57,720 Because that's also important, right? 198 00:15:58,370 --> 00:15:59,200 So now we're going to go in reverse. 199 00:16:00,220 --> 00:16:04,900 It is passing the unencrypted response from the website back to the exit node. 200 00:16:05,730 --> 00:16:08,660 And then the exit node encrypts it, passes it to middle nodes, 201 00:16:10,180 --> 00:16:15,220 and then they encrypt it back and give it to your Tor client, 202 00:16:15,750 --> 00:16:17,280 which decrypts it and shows it to you. 203 00:16:19,199 --> 00:16:24,320 One quick thing to say is that this is AI, and AI sometimes gets things wrong, 204 00:16:24,490 --> 00:16:25,440 so verify this yourself. 205 00:16:26,220 --> 00:16:32,120 But this is a really basic network diagram of how the Tor Onion network works. 206 00:16:33,740 --> 00:16:33,940 Great. 207 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:34,900 Okay. 208 00:16:35,980 --> 00:16:37,400 Let's see what else I have here. 209 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,600 So that's kind of the rundown of how Tor works. 210 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:49,120 I want to just give a brief history of the project and show you roughly what it's like. 211 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:54,200 And then now we can go into and actually look at the project and download it and play around with it. 212 00:16:54,820 --> 00:16:56,280 So how many people we got? 213 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:57,060 We got 14 people. 214 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:57,860 Welcome again. 215 00:16:58,340 --> 00:16:59,340 The chats are open. 216 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:06,020 So if you want to hop in the chat on X, on YouTube, on zap.stream, which is our Noster 217 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,280 streaming service, feel free. 218 00:17:08,939 --> 00:17:09,140 Okay. 219 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:10,240 Oh, man. 220 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:11,439 I just got booted. 221 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:14,240 Okay. 222 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:15,819 There we go. 223 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:17,600 Okay. 224 00:17:17,660 --> 00:17:18,380 So we're back up and running. 225 00:17:20,059 --> 00:17:20,740 Excuse me. 226 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:22,280 So let's go over. 227 00:17:22,540 --> 00:17:24,699 This is obviously the project website, which I just showed you. 228 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:29,400 Now, it's important to me to show off the open source, the code that's available. 229 00:17:29,660 --> 00:17:33,280 So here, Tor runs its own GitLab instance. 230 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:34,880 It does not depend on GitHub. 231 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,800 There are repositories on GitHub that are unofficial, 232 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:44,780 and they try to mirror what's going on on the Tor GitLab site. 233 00:17:45,460 --> 00:17:47,720 But just know that if you want to go to the source, the true source, 234 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,320 it's on gitlab.torproject.org. 235 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:57,460 But very grateful for people who run mirrors and who have their own their own forks so that we can make sure that this 236 00:17:57,780 --> 00:17:59,400 important code never goes away 237 00:18:00,460 --> 00:18:01,820 Okay, so here it is 238 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:07,560 Almost 40,000 commits a bunch of branches. It is under the creative comments 239 00:18:08,620 --> 00:18:12,180 attribution share alike 4.0 international license 240 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,080 So before doing any work on this code 241 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:21,840 Make sure that you understand what that license is about and how it impacts you and the work that you want to do. 242 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,780 Okay, they have all sorts of stuff here on the website. 243 00:18:26,660 --> 00:18:32,099 They've got a whole community page where you can join the tour community and they got a lot of content here on 244 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:33,840 how to use it. 245 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:42,820 So if you want to support you can donate directly to it, right? They take all sorts of payments. 246 00:18:44,660 --> 00:18:47,620 Okay, great. I don't want to spend too much time on that 247 00:18:48,740 --> 00:18:54,920 But I really want to dive in there's one last cool thing that I'll bring up before we download and run it and that 248 00:18:54,990 --> 00:18:57,200 Is this project called L tour? 249 00:18:58,340 --> 00:19:01,400 L tour was given a grant from the open SATs 250 00:19:02,460 --> 00:19:07,040 project which is helping to fund development of this 251 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,820 Bitcoin lightning network 252 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,760 incentivize network for for running relay nodes 253 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:19,460 There's one problem with the Tor network that it has and it is it depends on people running nodes 254 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,740 To support the network and support all of this traffic if you've used Tor 255 00:19:23,770 --> 00:19:27,720 You know that sometimes it can be kind of slow and that is one by design 256 00:19:28,170 --> 00:19:30,699 but also because we need more people running nodes and 257 00:19:31,780 --> 00:19:33,260 There's just not as much bandwidth out there 258 00:19:34,120 --> 00:19:39,080 So if so this person is trying to solve this problem also read this real quick 259 00:19:39,060 --> 00:19:47,440 It says, L-Tor is a high bandwidth Tor network fork incentivized by the Bitcoin Lightning Network by enabling users to host relays and earn SATs. 260 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:49,900 SATs are small versions of Bitcoin. 261 00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:52,300 So earn Bitcoin for sharing bandwidth. 262 00:19:52,750 --> 00:19:57,500 L-Tor addresses existing limitations of the Tor network while supporting anonymous communication. 263 00:19:58,180 --> 00:20:05,600 The project enhances censorship resistance and facilitates private interactions for services like e-cash mints, Nostra relays, and Bitcoin node communication. 264 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:13,580 LTOR plans to expand the network's scale and capabilities by onboarding more relays globally and leveraging financial incentives to drive adoption. 265 00:20:14,370 --> 00:20:21,080 This effort will support greater bandwidth, reliability, and anonymity for users and aims to provide a sustainable model for future development. 266 00:20:21,730 --> 00:20:29,120 The project will continue refining its code base and exploring integrations that bring the vision of private decentralized communications closer to reality. 267 00:20:30,220 --> 00:20:33,380 The license is 3ClawsBSD. 268 00:20:33,820 --> 00:20:37,960 So if you want to learn more about this, you can go to opensats.org. 269 00:20:38,860 --> 00:20:43,000 And it's on their blog under the ninth wave of Bitcoin grants. 270 00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:45,440 So they do different waves of grants. 271 00:20:45,770 --> 00:20:47,140 And this was under the ninth wave. 272 00:20:47,330 --> 00:20:50,360 And it's called LTOR, E-L space T-O-R. 273 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,880 And they also have their code up on Bitbucket. 274 00:20:54,470 --> 00:21:00,660 So you can go to bitbucket.org slash LTOR dev and see the code there for what they're doing. 275 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,400 Okay, so let's go ahead and download the Tor browser. 276 00:21:06,260 --> 00:21:09,840 So I am on macOS with this server, so I'm just going to download it here. 277 00:21:12,180 --> 00:21:12,440 Okay. 278 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:15,280 Downloading. Yes, it is. 279 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,740 You can see our Bitwarden download from a previous episode. 280 00:21:19,050 --> 00:21:22,420 If you want to go back and learn about password managers and Freedom Tech for that, 281 00:21:23,150 --> 00:21:25,960 you can go back and watch the previous episode of password managers. 282 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:27,620 Okay. 283 00:21:28,750 --> 00:21:30,460 So we just drag Tor browser over here. 284 00:21:30,700 --> 00:21:31,380 I might already have one. 285 00:21:31,580 --> 00:21:32,000 Look at that. 286 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:32,300 I do. 287 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,180 We're just going to replace it because I don't know what version it is, 288 00:21:35,340 --> 00:21:36,700 and I don't want to deal with updating right now. 289 00:21:37,300 --> 00:21:37,580 Okay. 290 00:21:38,700 --> 00:21:42,900 So now let's go to Tor browser and open it up. 291 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,880 And it's going to ask, are you sure you want to open this? 292 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,420 It's from the scary internet. 293 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:50,780 Okay. 294 00:21:51,780 --> 00:21:52,760 So Tor is opened. 295 00:21:53,820 --> 00:21:56,380 Now the first thing it does is it just sits there, right, 296 00:21:57,260 --> 00:21:59,100 and is not connected to the Tor network. 297 00:21:59,260 --> 00:22:00,300 You can see that up on the top right. 298 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:01,840 This is important to pay attention to, right? 299 00:22:01,980 --> 00:22:05,220 I'm not currently safe, if you will. 300 00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:05,760 I'm not connected. 301 00:22:07,140 --> 00:22:09,080 I don't know why it's taking so long. 302 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:11,420 Come on, Tor. 303 00:22:13,020 --> 00:22:14,180 Tor, Tor, Tor, Tor. 304 00:22:16,020 --> 00:22:17,760 Let's quit it and come back. 305 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,160 Oh, application's not responding. 306 00:22:19,630 --> 00:22:19,740 Lovely. 307 00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:20,580 Okay. 308 00:22:22,060 --> 00:22:23,560 I'm not going to report you. 309 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:24,880 Let's try it again. 310 00:22:28,060 --> 00:22:28,500 Okay. 311 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:36,320 I'm getting a spinning wheel of death. I don't know why it's not working. I've 312 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:41,860 honestly never had this happen before where Tor just won't do anything. That's 313 00:22:41,900 --> 00:22:52,700 really funny. Well I'll have a backup option here. I'm gonna open up Tor on my 314 00:22:52,820 --> 00:22:58,540 main computer that I'm streaming from and we'll see if I can get it working 315 00:23:00,380 --> 00:23:02,180 Let me launch it on my main computer. 316 00:23:03,980 --> 00:23:09,180 Okay, it's working here, so I'm going to shift windows right now and we'll switch over there. 317 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:10,980 Always good to have backup options. 318 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:17,560 Replace screen sharing with Tor. 319 00:23:18,140 --> 00:23:20,360 We're going to lose our Maple AI. 320 00:23:20,660 --> 00:23:21,340 That's alright though. 321 00:23:21,580 --> 00:23:23,720 Okay, so now you're seeing my Tor browser. 322 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,500 Alright, so the first thing it does is ask if we want to connect to the Tor network. 323 00:23:28,260 --> 00:23:29,340 Now you can configure this connection. 324 00:23:29,570 --> 00:23:32,880 There are a lot of things you can add in here. 325 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:34,840 So you can add in your own bridges. 326 00:23:35,740 --> 00:23:41,240 And bridges are a special kind of node that are unlisted on the Tor network. 327 00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:44,420 And they allow you to get around firewalls. 328 00:23:44,450 --> 00:23:48,200 So if you live in a country that has a great firewall that blocks access to things, 329 00:23:49,050 --> 00:23:53,320 you can come in here and you can have a friend or find online somewhere 330 00:23:53,610 --> 00:23:55,920 somebody gives you a bridge that you can add. 331 00:23:57,050 --> 00:23:58,100 And so you can get to it. 332 00:23:58,180 --> 00:24:04,840 still. So this is great. We need more people running bridges. So a lot of other settings 333 00:24:04,940 --> 00:24:10,680 in here you can do, but let's just go back and connect the Tor. You can have it always connect 334 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:16,300 by default when you launch, but when you first install, it's not turned on. So let's go ahead 335 00:24:16,300 --> 00:24:20,940 and connect. So what it's doing now is this little bar here is progressing across, and it is 336 00:24:20,940 --> 00:24:29,720 connecting me to an entry relay, an entry node. Okay, here we are. We are now on the Tor network. 337 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:35,420 What is this onionized thing, right? Well, onionized means that I am going to run over 338 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,280 websites that are actually hosted on the Tor network. So that's a whole other layer to this 339 00:24:40,340 --> 00:24:46,760 onion. A whole other layer here is that you can have websites that are hosted directly on Tor. 340 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,880 So the exit relay is not going out to the plain text internet. 341 00:24:51,150 --> 00:24:52,700 It is just staying within the Tor network. 342 00:24:54,260 --> 00:25:01,120 There is a project that we will cover on a future episode called Start 9. 343 00:25:03,180 --> 00:25:04,560 Let me just search here for Start 9. 344 00:25:04,700 --> 00:25:06,660 So what's happening right now is I'm searching the internet. 345 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,480 Through the Tor network, you notice it's a little bit slower. 346 00:25:10,850 --> 00:25:16,800 But Start 9 is a server software operating system, 347 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,760 but they also make physical servers that you can buy with their software on it. 348 00:25:21,470 --> 00:25:26,080 But it is a system that allows you to run Freedom Tech apps, 349 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,620 Freedom Tech tools, and host your data yourself in your house 350 00:25:30,110 --> 00:25:31,620 or really in any location that you want to. 351 00:25:32,460 --> 00:25:37,300 But one of the main ways that Start9 has you connect to your own private server, 352 00:25:37,450 --> 00:25:40,560 right, opt out by running a private server, is that they go over the Tor network. 353 00:25:41,130 --> 00:25:44,340 And so they expose each of the apps on here. 354 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:50,620 So let's say that you're running Next Cloud, which is your own self-sovereign cloud to host your own documents and things. 355 00:25:50,900 --> 00:26:00,180 It will expose Next Cloud over your own personal Tor address, and then you'll connect to it that way. 356 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:05,280 They're actually working on other ways to not depend solely on the Tor network, but this is one way they'd be doing it. 357 00:26:05,460 --> 00:26:06,440 So hey, Onion available. 358 00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:07,380 So I click on that. 359 00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:12,420 Instead of using start9.com, it's now taking me to this Onion address for start9. 360 00:26:12,540 --> 00:26:13,000 So here we are. 361 00:26:13,100 --> 00:26:19,780 We're loading the Start9 website directly on the Tor network, which is pretty cool, right? 362 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:22,480 Let's see if Try Maple. 363 00:26:22,650 --> 00:26:24,840 I actually haven't tried this in a while. 364 00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:27,020 I did when we first launched, but let's try it. 365 00:26:27,460 --> 00:26:30,420 Let's see if Maple works on the Tor network. 366 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:31,040 It should. 367 00:26:31,410 --> 00:26:33,640 I mean, Tor should be able to load any website. 368 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:34,640 That's the whole point. 369 00:26:36,420 --> 00:26:37,020 Here we go. 370 00:26:37,820 --> 00:26:38,540 TryMaple.ai. 371 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:44,440 and here we are in light mode because this server that I'm running apparently is in light mode. 372 00:26:45,290 --> 00:26:52,300 All right. So yeah, you can have end-to-end encrypted AI, right, on the Tor network 373 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:58,940 through your Tor browser. Pretty sweet. Okay. I would love to get this where 374 00:26:59,350 --> 00:27:04,039 onion address is available and we can do that on the onion routed network. That would be pretty 375 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:04,060 Cool. 376 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,300 OK, so let's look at some of the other things we have here. 377 00:27:08,740 --> 00:27:10,600 We have the security thing. 378 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,080 So all browser and website features 379 00:27:13,180 --> 00:27:14,900 are enabled, security levels. 380 00:27:14,980 --> 00:27:15,860 We have security levels here. 381 00:27:15,860 --> 00:27:16,340 What does that mean? 382 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:17,780 Let's go to Settings and check that out. 383 00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:20,440 You can disable certain web features 384 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,160 that can be used to attack your security and anonymity. 385 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:24,680 So you have different levels here. 386 00:27:24,820 --> 00:27:26,880 We have standard, where all browser and website features 387 00:27:26,940 --> 00:27:27,300 are enabled. 388 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,300 We have safer, disables website features 389 00:27:29,380 --> 00:27:31,480 that are often dangerous, causing some sites to lose 390 00:27:31,620 --> 00:27:31,820 functionality. 391 00:27:32,660 --> 00:27:33,180 And then we have safest. 392 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,440 Only allows website features required for static sites 393 00:27:36,500 --> 00:27:37,180 and basic services. 394 00:27:37,500 --> 00:27:39,380 These changes affect images, media, and scripts. 395 00:27:39,820 --> 00:27:42,580 So these are different levels that you can set. 396 00:27:43,180 --> 00:27:45,020 And you can set it for all the websites you visit. 397 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,640 And then I think you can also do it per website, 398 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:48,940 but you'd have to verify that. 399 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,960 But this means that certain things like JavaScript, 400 00:27:52,260 --> 00:27:55,840 different cookies, other technology that 401 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,560 are deployed on the website that might be used to track you, 402 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,000 or could, in theory, be used to track you, 403 00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:08,260 If you need higher levels of privacy, you can set these to be stronger, 404 00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:12,620 but they are going to break some of the functionality on the websites that you visit. 405 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:19,500 If I click learn more, there's a whole page about this that walks into the security levels and what happens here. 406 00:28:19,660 --> 00:28:22,720 So it says on standard, everything's available. 407 00:28:22,900 --> 00:28:26,080 On safer, it disables things. 408 00:28:26,580 --> 00:28:26,780 Let's see. 409 00:28:26,980 --> 00:28:30,880 JavaScript is disabled on all non-HTTPS websites. 410 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,260 Some of the fonts and math symbols are disabled. 411 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,860 Audio and video are HTML5 media. 412 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:39,880 Must be clicked to play. 413 00:28:40,550 --> 00:28:43,160 So if you go to a website that has a video that's like playing in the background, 414 00:28:43,450 --> 00:28:47,420 some of these websites do that just like as a visual treatment for the website. 415 00:28:48,250 --> 00:28:51,620 Those videos will not play automatically, and you'll have to click to play them. 416 00:28:52,570 --> 00:28:57,360 And depending on the website, there might not be a way to expose that button to click to play it. 417 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,160 So yeah, some website functionality will stop working. 418 00:29:01,300 --> 00:29:07,200 and then the safest one says JavaScript is disabled by default on all websites. 419 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,860 Some fonts, icons, math symbols, and images are disabled. 420 00:29:11,620 --> 00:29:14,120 Audio and video, HTML5, are click-to-play. 421 00:29:14,980 --> 00:29:17,940 So that's your understanding of the different security levels that you can have. 422 00:29:19,580 --> 00:29:24,040 Now, what is this new identity thing next to the security icon? 423 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:30,460 This means that I can reconnect, basically, to the Tor network through a different node. 424 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,940 and for a new browser, for a new tab. 425 00:29:34,140 --> 00:29:36,020 So each tab I can have a different identity on 426 00:29:36,150 --> 00:29:38,880 so that I'm not even being tracked tab to tab, right? 427 00:29:39,460 --> 00:29:41,220 Because let's say that I have all these tabs open 428 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,400 and I'm going through the same path every time. 429 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:51,480 In theory, you could potentially start to craft who I am over time. 430 00:29:52,170 --> 00:29:53,860 All right, so now I want to reset my identity. 431 00:29:54,290 --> 00:29:55,600 I guess it's not. I thought it was per tab. 432 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:57,440 Interesting. 433 00:29:58,300 --> 00:29:59,500 I think there is a way to do it per tab. 434 00:29:59,980 --> 00:30:01,840 But, okay, so let's say that I was worried. 435 00:30:02,460 --> 00:30:05,440 I just got booted off the screen share because it relaunched. 436 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,920 So let me go back now to my screen share. 437 00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:10,500 Here we are. 438 00:30:11,020 --> 00:30:13,580 So here we are back in Tor, and I have a new identity. 439 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,400 So now I have reconnected to the Tor network through a different path completely. 440 00:30:18,980 --> 00:30:22,900 Tor is based off of Firefox, just so you know. 441 00:30:23,140 --> 00:30:27,100 So you go to that Tor browser, and it is based off the Firefox project. 442 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,300 They follow very closely with the Firefox release schedule, to my understanding. 443 00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:38,800 And so it's got the same update mechanism, but it goes through Tor rather than Firefox. 444 00:30:39,540 --> 00:30:43,260 So it'll check for updates, and then you install those updates when you want to. 445 00:30:44,419 --> 00:30:46,200 Okay, those are the basics of Tor. 446 00:30:46,380 --> 00:30:47,460 We have gone over on time. 447 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,720 Well, we're actually right at 30 minutes, so that's perfect. 448 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:51,300 Great. 449 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,060 We got up to 18 people watching. 450 00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:54,860 Welcome, everybody. 451 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:56,780 Thanks for tuning in. 452 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,320 We do have a few people here. 453 00:30:58,700 --> 00:30:58,980 What's up? 454 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,440 When 0.4.0. 455 00:31:04,419 --> 00:31:06,620 This person, Pseudo Carlos, is on a work phone call. 456 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,020 I'm trying to pay attention to the work phone call, but also this. 457 00:31:09,540 --> 00:31:10,920 I feel your pain. 458 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:11,860 Trust me. 459 00:31:12,340 --> 00:31:12,700 But that's right. 460 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,640 This is going to be archived on YouTube X as well as audio version on podcasts. 461 00:31:18,060 --> 00:31:21,720 You can search for Freedom Tech Weekend on your favorite podcast space. 462 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:23,840 So Pseudo Carlos, you'll be able to check it out. 463 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:29,200 When you say when 0.4.0, I assume that you are referring to Start 9. 464 00:31:30,700 --> 00:31:35,700 I would love to get the newest version of Start 9, 0.4. 465 00:31:38,540 --> 00:31:39,500 Let's look here. 466 00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:44,840 Yeah, because right now they're on 0.3.5. 467 00:31:45,370 --> 00:31:52,140 0.4 is when they start to offer more of the clear net stuff. 468 00:31:52,780 --> 00:31:56,820 ClearNet is basically the internet, so not having to depend on Tor. 469 00:31:57,460 --> 00:32:03,700 And it's going to open up Start9 to much more normal, friendly use cases for people 470 00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:08,180 who don't want to have their device fully connected to the Tor network all the time 471 00:32:08,540 --> 00:32:10,600 and only be accessible through the Tor network. 472 00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:12,560 So I don't know when. 473 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,600 They've been talking about 0.4 for a long time. 474 00:32:14,620 --> 00:32:21,060 I know that is very complicated because they are trying to build their software to be extremely robust and hardy 475 00:32:21,060 --> 00:32:26,180 so that I can get through any home router and set up port forwarding and all that stuff 476 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,880 perfectly for you. So yeah, 477 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:30,320 I 478 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,180 don't know when, but I'm looking forward to it because I run Start9 479 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:39,120 at home. I love it. I use it every day and I would love to use it more and onboard more friends and 480 00:32:39,180 --> 00:32:45,280 family to my Start9 server. But unfortunately right now, if you have Start9 and you have apps 481 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:52,000 on your iPhone that depend on Start9 server functionality, you have to get your phone 482 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:58,040 onto the Tor network through a VPN, and that means that you're constantly switching back 483 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:03,940 and forth, and it doesn't always stay connected. It's a bit of a difficult situation right 484 00:33:03,940 --> 00:33:09,900 now. The UX could be better, but I love the Start9 team. I've chatted with them on many 485 00:33:10,140 --> 00:33:13,940 occasions. I've met them in person on many occasions, and I love the work that they're 486 00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:23,380 doing. We've had some discussions about what we're doing with Maple AI and specifically with 487 00:33:23,740 --> 00:33:33,500 OpenSecret.Cloud. Let me pull these up real quick. So Maple depends on secure enclaves. It's built 488 00:33:33,530 --> 00:33:39,840 on top of OpenSecret, which is using secure enclaves to make a private key for you. And so 489 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:46,700 it is able to encrypt your traffic end to end. Start9 is taking a different approach. They are 490 00:33:46,860 --> 00:33:53,060 trying to buck the trend of cloud computing completely and bring all of your stuff home. 491 00:33:53,420 --> 00:33:59,100 And so you run your own server at home, which is typically a difficult thing, but they're trying 492 00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:06,520 to make it easy for people. So I just want the public to know here that I really like my Start9 493 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,600 software, but I also really love Maple and I love OpenSecret and what we can do here with 494 00:34:10,860 --> 00:34:15,240 secure enclaves. And I think that there's a place for both of them. Who knows long-term, 495 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:21,560 long-term would be really cool if we all had actual secure enclaves at home that we were 496 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:28,060 running ourselves. And so now we are marrying this self-sovereign computing with cryptographically 497 00:34:28,179 --> 00:34:34,020 verifiable code that is running so that I know that the code on my home server is the code that 498 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:39,159 I expect it to be. So when I'm away from home and I'm connecting, I know the entire supply chain 499 00:34:39,340 --> 00:34:42,740 and I know what I'm talking to. So I think that there's a future where both of these projects 500 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:48,280 potentially come together. We're talking way down the road when secure enclaves for home servers are 501 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:54,780 a thing, which would be really, really neat. Okay, great. Well, we are over on time. Thanks for 502 00:34:54,840 --> 00:35:00,220 tuning in to Freedom Tech Weekend and watching this episode about the TOR network, the Onion 503 00:35:00,220 --> 00:35:05,200 Routing Network. I would just encourage everybody to play around with this weekend. That's what we 504 00:35:05,260 --> 00:35:08,840 do here on Freedom Tech Weekend. We give you one tool you can explore this weekend when you have 505 00:35:08,980 --> 00:35:14,700 free time. So play around with Tor. Give it a shot. Would also love for you, if you want to 506 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:19,060 support the show, we don't have advertisers. 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