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Welcome to Local Bitcoiners, the podcast about Bitcoin meetups.

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In this episode, Reid and Rev chat with Corey, aka Boomer, from the Ottawa Bitcoin Meetup.

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Hey, all right. Back here, it's Rev, Rev Hodel, and this is the Local Bitcoiners podcast.

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Tonight we're talking with the organizer of the Ottawa meetup in Canada, Boomer.

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He's going by Corey as well.

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Claim to fame is that he was the Maxi Madness 2025 champion.

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Did the best at figuring out who was going to be the number one in the Maxi Madness.

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You've got that bracket correct.

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so we're going to talk with Corey tonight about what's going on at the Ottawa meetup

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and before that I want to talk a little bit about just this

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we're in a bear market okay sure the price is going down

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the last recording I was talking a little bit about

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at my South Bend meetup that I organized that oh we got bear market

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vibes there's only a few people that showed up well man oh man did that flip over on its head

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just a couple weeks later,

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I went to the Southwest Michigan meetup

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in Benton Harbor, Michigan.

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And this meetup was just phenomenal, man.

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It was out of control.

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We had a huge turnout.

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And this is one of those meetups

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where there's a really good example

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of the circular economy shining through.

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And so there was a bunch of people there.

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We did a MeshTastic workout or workshop.

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I had one of my Bitcoin mining space heaters on display

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so people could ask questions and learn about that.

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But in addition to that, I left that meetup with four pounds of coffee,

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two pounds of beet, two quarts of yogurt, a month's supply of collagen powder,

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sourdough bread, and four dozen eggs.

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You can't beat that shit.

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It was just unbelievable.

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And so this meetup really has raised my spirits

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and let me know that the people, the true believers in Bitcoin,

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the people who have conviction are coming out strong.

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And Reid, how was your meetup?

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Yeah, it's so funny that you say that, right?

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Because I also, January, we had some kind of bear market vibes.

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And then our February meetup, which was February 15th, was huge.

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We like doubled our normal or at least the previous turnout.

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We had like 15 people.

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Yeah, we had great vibes.

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I did a thing. I tried something new this time where I was I sent out a memo to everybody like a message like request like, hey, if you got any content that you want me to cover during the meetup, send me a message.

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Because all of our group, everybody's always silent on our group chats and stuff like that.

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And all of a sudden people started popping up and chattering and talking about topics.

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And so I did have to cover a couple of topics I wasn't super thrilled about.

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Like we had to I had to have a slide on Bitcoin Epstein connections, which was not have been on my normal meetup list.

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But whatever, you know, at least they got, you know, their, you know, fearless leaders sort of opinion about how little that actually matters.

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And, you know, we talked about, you know, even if there was like some connection that it really wouldn't matter for anything.

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So, yeah, we actually had we had great vibes.

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we talked about

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I threw in a bunch of bear market content

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we talked about

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Bitcoin obituaries

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which is always a fun thing

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we played a funny video about

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this guy always

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talking about how Bitcoin always crashes

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so you shouldn't buy it

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so it was fun times

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we had a great meetup

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so Corey Boomer

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how about you?

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how was your last meetup?

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what's up guys?

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glad to be here

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a big fan of your show already only two episodes in man and i'm i'm like like i told you guys before

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we started recording like you you guys are like already by far head and shoulders rookie of the

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year bitcoin podcast it's going to be tough to be you this is this is like lebron james in his rookie

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year you know like you just knew that something special that was happening that's that's where i

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feel like local bitcoiners podcast is so it's just such an honor to be here um yeah i'm the organizer

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are the Ottawa Bitcoin Meetup.

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Call it Capital Bitcoiners.

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We meet twice a month.

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So we meet on the first Wednesday of every month.

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And that is kind of targeted towards newcomers.

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It's called Bitcoin Basics.

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We advertise it all over the place as being a place.

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If you're curious about Bitcoin, come in and ask questions.

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Come and just hang out.

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Really inclusive to absolutely everybody.

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and then on the third Sunday of every month we have something called Bitcoin Builders

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and that's a little bit more focused on a lot of the guys who are developers because we do have a

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couple of developers in and around the city that I live in and a couple of guys they just kind of

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want to have a kind of like a mini bit devs type of thing where they just kind of talk about

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talk shop and then people that are just been in Bitcoin a little while and they don't necessarily

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want to learn anything about Bitcoin. They just want to talk to other guys about Bitcoin.

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So we don't, obviously the two meetups have kind of blended into each other a little bit.

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Once you come to one of the meetups, you kind of like it, you end up coming to the other one.

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And it's kind of hard to tell the difference. But as the organizer, I kind of keep myself to

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the newcomers. So like I'll say hi to the guys, you know, the same, just like your guys meet up,

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I'm sure there's probably eight to 10 guys that are your core members.

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you're probably going to get five of them every single time you have a meetup.

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might be a different five every time because everybody has family commitments or

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what have you, but you get five of the 10 show up.

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So those guys kind of just hang out and do their thing.

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And I kind of focus on the newcomers and try to answer some questions.

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So the last meetup we have was a, was a builder's one.

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And it was kind of small.

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Like we didn't have a huge turnout because it was just shit weather up here.

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Like it was just, it was pretty much like a snowstorm.

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So we only had five or six guys show up.

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And like Reid was saying, like it was right at the Epstein stuff.

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I think it was actually the 15th as well.

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I think it was the 15th or the 16th.

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Was that a Sunday?

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Was the 15th on a Sunday?

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Mine's a Sunday, yeah.

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That was the same day, same day, same day.

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So yeah, we kind of talked a little bit about the Epstein stuff and what have you.

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It's good.

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It's always good to see the guys.

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It's always good to talk Bitcoin.

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And it just gives our family and our coworkers and our girlfriends and our wives, gives them a break.

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Then we can go out and talk about Bitcoin instead of talking about it to them.

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Right. So especially after Valentine's Day, it's kind of nice.

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So we probably didn't talk about Bitcoin very much on Valentine's Day.

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Yeah, it's funny. Those numbers you just rattled off off the top of your head for like the core group and the in and out.

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Dude, that's like almost exactly like the meetup that we run too.

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And I do the same thing as you do.

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I end up spending most of the time with like the beginners explaining stuff.

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And a lot of our slides are geared towards the beginners.

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I always try to hit a couple topics that are like for people who are like a little bit more advanced.

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But yeah, we got a lot of beginners at mine.

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Yeah, I tend to get like a handful.

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I mean, it's hard.

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Bear market is bad.

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Like you don't get a whole lot of newcomers when the price is going down.

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And that's the same with everywhere.

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But when price is kind of popping, you can get four or five newcomers every single meetup.

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That's what I've found.

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Like I've been running our meetup now for almost four years.

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So twice a month, twice a month.

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And we haven't, I don't think I've missed.

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I mean, I missed a handful of them just because like family issues.

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Like my dad passed away a couple of years ago.

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So I missed a couple of meetups over that.

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But aside from that, like we have not missed rain or shine, sleet or snow.

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We've had meetups like twice, sometimes three times a month for the past four years.

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And it's the same thing.

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It's exactly the same pattern all the time.

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You get 80% of the core guys show up and then a handful of newcomers, depending on what's going on with price.

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You know, it's weird.

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I don't know what's going on in my area, but so at the first Thursday of the month, that's my meetup, the South Bend meetup.

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The second Thursday of the month, I go to the Chicago BitDevs meetup.

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And then the third Thursday is the Southwest Michigan meetup.

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And the BitDevs meetup is normally kind of, it's been pretty consistent, right?

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The same kind of people show up, not really too many new people, a handful of new people here and there.

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But this last one, man, was like everyone came out of the woodwork.

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I don't know.

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There was no chairs.

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There was not enough chairs.

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and people were standing.

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And I was like thinking, okay, so the price is down.

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Maybe the price being down doesn't make any sense

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and everyone's coming to the meetup

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to try and figure out what the hell,

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why is this going down?

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Is there something that I can't figure out

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that I should be concerned about here?

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And it's the meetups,

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like the Southwest Michigan meetup

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and the BitDevs meetup,

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obviously price is not really a premier point of discussion.

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We talk about technical things at the BitDevs

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and then more self-sovereignty type stuff at the Southwest Michigan meetup.

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But I don't know.

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I guess keep an eye out.

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I think that there might be a wave of enthusiasm coming towards these meetups

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just from the vibes that I've been getting from these last two that I went to.

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I've got the Elmhurst, Illinois meetup on Wednesday,

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so that would be tomorrow from the time that we're recording.

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So we'll see what the turnout's like there.

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One question I did have, though,

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So you say you've been doing two a month for four years for a long time.

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Did you start off with two?

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Or how did you initially start doing meetups and why?

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That's a great, absolutely great question.

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Absolutely fantastic question.

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The genesis of our meetups really starts with the trucker's convoy

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that happened here in Ottawa.

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That was really what started it.

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I was relatively early in my Bitcoin journey.

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Like I'm class of 2020, 2021.

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So that's kind of when I first started getting into it during the lockdowns, during COVID.

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And then when that literally just happened, you know, the whole trucker convoy and all that stuff, that's like 10 minutes up the road.

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Like that just happened literally right over there.

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And I actually got to meet quite a few Bitcoiners at the convoy.

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You know, shout out to all those guys.

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I'm not going to dox them, but, you know, I met, I met some people there that are going to be friends for life that they, that, you know, my brothers and my sisters.

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And so that really left an impression on me, like just, wow, like that there are, there is a need for community and there is a need for this.

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So that, that was in February of 2022.

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Yeah, February, January, February, 2022.

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to. And then in April, a couple of months later, Brad Mills, if you know Brad, a pretty popular

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Bitcoin, Bitcoiner up here in Canada, he happened to be in town for, for some event. So he just kind

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of made a, he just said, look, I'm going to be at this bar at this time. Any Bitcoiners want to come

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out and hang out, you know, come on and hang out. So like I went and, you know, maybe another 10,

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15 people went and they, at that, at that kind of meetup, kind of impromptu little meetup,

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he kind of took me aside afterward. And he said, you know, like, you got to get something started

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here. You got to, you got to do it regularly. Um, and I just kind of went with it from there.

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Um, the first couple of meetups that I held, I, I, I had just pieces of paper on every table.

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And I just told the people, it's like, what do you guys want? Like, what, what, what, what do you

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want to do you want to learn do you want you want to hang out um and we had like pretty crazy turnout

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right from the beginning like those first couple of meetups we're getting like 30 35 people

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right away because it was was definitely like we were talking about we were talking before we hit

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record like ottawa is not that far from montreal and montreal has probably i don't know maybe i

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I can't say the best, but it's up there of like the best Bitcoin scenes in the world.

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Like those Montreal meetups, they're pretty good, man.

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They're like 80, 100 people and they're hardcore Bitcoiners that go to those Montreal meetups.

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Like that's like bull Bitcoin, panties for Bitcoin.

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Those guys, those guys are no joke.

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So I think there were a lot of people that were living in and around the Ottawa area that were traveling to Montreal to go to their meetups.

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And that's where they were getting their fix.

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And then all of a sudden, there's this Ottawa one that pops up.

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And now the Ottawa one is, oh, an hour closer.

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So now they don't have to drive two and a half hours to go to a meetup.

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They just have to drive an hour.

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So I think I got a lot of those guys.

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So from the first couple of meetups, I asked for comments.

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I asked for anything, any feedback.

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What do you guys need?

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And it was pretty clear that there were two types of people coming.

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They were the Bitcoin, crypto, curious people.

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that just wanted to learn.

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And there were a bunch of guys like me

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who just wanted to be around other Bitcoiners.

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So I kind of, okay, well, let's do two a month then.

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So we do one for beginners

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and one for a little bit more advanced.

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And then in the summer, I also do like a Bitcoin walk.

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You got to have that guy on.

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Like wait until the summer.

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The guy, Enzo, Endo?

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I think his name is Endo.

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Endo or Enzo?

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I think he's in Scotland now

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where he started like the Bitcoin walks,

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where it's just like a kinetic Bitcoin meetup.

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You meet Saturday morning, nine o'clock in the morning,

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and just go for a walk.

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So I started doing, I only do those in the summer.

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So I, you know, and up here in Ottawa, trust me,

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summer doesn't last that long.

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So it's only a couple of months.

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So that's how I started.

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And it's just kind of been going ever since.

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yeah that's sick man yeah i props to you man for for holding two meetups a month for

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for all those years that's some serious dedication yeah we do some special events too like i i did

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like one or two bit devs kind of events because i got one guy i don't want to dox him but one of

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the guys that lives in town is uh working on the madeira project so uh he's he's like one of the

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one of the developers so after the his madeira project i kind of wanted him to to do like a

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legit kind of showcase like the technology that he's working on like he's a developer like an

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e-cash developer he got an open sats grant so he i wanted him to do that um we've had you know a

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couple of businesses a couple one one so far one business that want that got in touch with me

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and they want to accept bitcoin for payment so they said well why don't you do a meetup at our

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store. So we did like a special kind of little meetup at the store,

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you know, did a couple of lightning transactions, you know, that was kind of cool.

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And then we had like Peter McCormick in town to do a, he was in town doing a documentary about

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the Freedom Convoy. So I organized like a pub night for Peter that, that to this day, that was

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the best turnout I had for a Bitcoin meetup was when Peter McCormick was in town. We had like

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65, 70 people show up, I think.

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Yeah, there's something about, you know, it's funny, especially I mentioned before we started

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recording that I went to the Canadian Bitcoin conference. I think it was 2024. But we were,

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you know, I went up there with one of my buddies and we were saying, man, there's something about,

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you know, like the legit, the number of legit Bitcoin, Bitcoiners in Canada, especially like

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per capita? Like, oh man, like, I don't know what's in the water up there, but you guys got

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some serious Bitcoin or like Bitcoin heavyweights up in, up in Canada. What's great about up here

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is that every city has a completely different Bitcoin vibe. It's completely unique. Now you,

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you went to Montreal that, that is hardcore crypto, cypherpunk, old school freedom money,

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freedom tech type of vibe uh very different than toronto toronto it's that's ethereum

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i'm not saying that there aren't good bitcoiners in toronto because there are

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some of my friends but it's you go to a bitcoin meetup in toronto it's not the same as a bitcoin

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meetup in montreal uh vancouver has a fantastic scene as well like the vancouver scene is very

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like a circular economy a lot of people like the coin coin os guys the coin us guys are over there

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and julian figueroa and all those guys those guys are like they're legit they're no joke over there

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in vancouver uh calgary we got like ben perrin the btc sessions and his sats market um dave

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bradley and all those guys sly goomba there's some good bitcoiners up in calgary um but man

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And Ontario, man, it's rough.

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Like, I'm in Ontario.

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Ottawa, the Ottawa scene, Ottawa itself is just a strange place.

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It's a government town.

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Everybody's afraid of everything.

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Everybody's boring.

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There was no scene here until the convoy.

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And I think even now, like, people that come to our meetups

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and compare it to Montreal and Toronto, like, we're very much a little,

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we're more on the developer side.

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we're uh pretty much we're more privacy focused i know here i am using my real name and being

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extroverted and all that shit but i'm kind of the exception uh most of the guys at my meetup

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don't want to be doxxed um they're not walking around with bitcoin t-shirts uh but i i would say

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pound for pound ottawa some really smart dudes at our meetup uh we're very much bitcoin only

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but we're more on the developer side.

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Developer slash energy.

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There's a lot of home miners up here too.

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Like this town has like got a lot of hobby miners,

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me included.

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I hate to, it kind of sounds like I'm bragging,

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but like we're probably a more educated crew

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up here in Ottawa than a lot of cities.

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Like a lot of us are professionals

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in something kind of related to Bitcoin,

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but not really Bitcoin.

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like a lot of developer a lot of people that work in tech a lot of people that work in economics a

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lot of people that work in engineering um so that's kind of been our scene uh and i'm proud

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you know i'm proud to be a part of that scene for sure um i my goal what when i started the meetup

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was was kind of make ottawa the the place you go to learn bitcoin but uh you know i i think we've

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we're kind of we're a part of that we're definitely a part of that but uh reads right man like

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Canada's no joke up here, pound for pound for Bitcoin.

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Something, so I'm pretty interested in this idea of kind of keeping your pseudonym, pseudonym,

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your anonymous nature, right?

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But still being able to show up in person at the meetup.

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I think a lot of people who just participate in their, the Bitcoin culture online as a pseudonym

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are kind of worried about going to the meetup because now they going to be like doxing themselves to people that they don know right That they not part of the community yet So they basically what I getting at is

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like, how do you create or is there anything that you do to create an environment that gives people

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the confidence when they come to a meetup like this, that this information is like, what comes

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to the meetup stays at the meetup, you don't really have to worry about it. And then by doing

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so by participating, you're actually going to get more value out of your Bitcoin because

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of the network and the community and the culture that you're now a part of.

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Yes and no.

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I mean, one thing that I do a lot is to say no politics at our meetup.

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Like you don't like that.

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No shit coins and no politics.

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Those are basically the two rules.

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And we cheat a little bit on the no politics stuff and the no shit coin stuff.

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If every once in a while Tether comes up or we don't really talk about anything other than maybe Monero comes up once in a while.

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But aside from that, I'll shut down conversations if you're talking about anything other than, again, Tether, Monero, maybe.

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But the no politics stuff is serious.

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I'm sure Washington, D.C. is exactly the same.

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I'm sure you go to a Bitcoin meetup in Washington, D.C.

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or maybe not so much now with the Bitcoin Policy Institute.

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They're doing good work over there.

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They're kind of taking the stigma away.

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But, you know, you're in this town.

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When you're in a government town,

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your feds are everywhere, guys.

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Literally, they're all over the place.

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So I just, I don't pressure people to use their real names.

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We don't use name tags.

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There's a couple of guys.

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There's one guy in particular,

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and he's probably going to listen to this.

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I still don't know his real name.

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Like, I've known him for four years.

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I've seen him pretty much twice a month for four years, and I don't know the guy's birth name.

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I know him by his name.

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Now, are you pretty explicit about, like, no photos, no recording?

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Do you, like, have to say that?

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Is that just, like, a given understanding?

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It's happened once or twice where I had to say it.

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But the group that we have over here, they're very privacy-focused already.

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so I wouldn't be the one

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to have to say that

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we would all say that

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but it is something

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yeah

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I've been to other meetups

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in other cities

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where

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you know

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I personally don't mind

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people taking my picture

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I mean

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but I

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I wouldn't take anybody

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I wouldn't take a picture

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but

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but I've seen that

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even in the Montreal

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even in the Montreal meetups

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like that I go to

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relatively

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you know not

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100% of the time

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but I try to get out to

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at least

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half of them

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there's people taking pictures.

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We don't really,

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it's not really a thing

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up here in Ottawa.

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Yeah, one of the things,

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you know, it's funny.

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So OPSEC came up

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at our last episode too.

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And I think it's probably,

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I mean, I think it's fair

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to talk about it.

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It's probably like the one area

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of let's say like criticism

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that maybe we get,

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not necessarily directed at us,

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but for like reasons why,

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like let's say like

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hardcore Bitcoiners

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are like, no, I don't want to go to a meetup.

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It's like all related to like OPSEC.

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And I think that that's fair,

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but there's also like some pretty easy,

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like low lift stuff that you can do, right?

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Like, you know, when you're going to the meetup,

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like you don't, even if you use your first name,

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like you're not going in there with like

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your full first and last name, right?

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And if you're a Bitcoin meetup organizer,

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you know, you're not,

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it's not like you're doing it at your house or something.

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You know, you always try to make sure

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you're doing it in a public place and stuff like that.

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So certainly we've never had any issues with that at ours.

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And like ours is, I mean, a lot of meetups aren't huge anyways.

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So like ours is pretty small.

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I've never had to tell someone, hey, put your phone away,

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like you're taking a video or something like that.

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Like nobody's taking video at ours.

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So it hasn't been too big of an issue.

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But yeah, I mean, OPSEC is, it's a fair thing to bring up

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every now and again related to Bitcoin meetups.

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it's something to be aware of when you're organizing it and it's something i i try to be

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like something like a well-lit parking lot like you should try look out for that like if you're

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if you're organizing a meetup try to find something like you said it's it's in public and it's also

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you know a lot of these meetups are in the they're in the evening so that they end at you know nine

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10 o'clock at night uh have something where the parking lot is right outside the restaurant

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or the bar and it's very well lit.

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I think that kind of counts for it.

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It goes a long way.

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I just think the value, you know,

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that you get from going to the meetup

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and potentially, you know, revealing,

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like when you go to the meetup,

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you don't have to tell everyone like,

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hey, I'm so-and-so on Twitter or Noster or whatever.

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You can make up a completely different identity

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if you want and no one will ever know,

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you know, who you are.

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I feel like the meeting people in person, toxing yourself, this fear is like irrational.

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Like the benefit that you get from going to the meetups and participating in your local meetup culture gives you so much more than the risk that you take from someone finding out that you might have a stack of Bitcoin in cold storage.

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Right. And it's just people want to cooperate and work together more so than they want to extract and scam each other at these things.

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In my experience.

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Yeah, me too. Me too. But I do get it.

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I completely respect anybody who, you know, doesn't want to use their real name and doesn't really want to go get out there.

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I we have a couple of guys like this.

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We have a couple of guys that are like really shy and they take their upset very, very seriously.

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but and and you know they can come and they can hang out a little bit and if they come back if

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they come more than once and they get more and more comfortable and the next thing you know like

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you get you become friends with these guys and there's there's trust earned right but but i'm

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with you rev like at some point you got to put your name on it you got to put your face out there

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because that's at some point like what are we going to do sit around like on our computers

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all day on our, you know, on our like Linux machines running two or three different

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Mulvad VPNs at the same time.

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Like, what are you going to do?

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Like, you can't, can't live that way.

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Well, yeah, I don't put my face online, but if you want to see my face, you can go to

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all of these meetups that I'm telling you I'm going to all the time and you can meet

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me there.

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Exactly.

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And we're going to be great friends if you show up and meet me, you know, like this is

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going to be awesome.

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so you talked a little bit about um home mining and so is there like a pretty good mining home

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mining culture in the meetup there a lot of people running space heaters and stuff like that yeah

462
00:27:26,775 --> 00:27:32,675
yeah like a couple of the guys i went out for wings about a month ago like this was not not an

463
00:27:32,675 --> 00:27:37,935
organized bitcoin meetup but it basically was it was like one of my buddies who lives on the outside

464
00:27:37,935 --> 00:27:41,175
the outskirts of town and he doesn't like coming to the meetup because it's too far

465
00:27:41,775 --> 00:27:42,575
He's got to work.

466
00:27:42,655 --> 00:27:43,595
He's got kids and all that stuff.

467
00:27:44,155 --> 00:27:46,375
So he's just, come on out for wings.

468
00:27:46,615 --> 00:27:48,295
A couple of guys are coming.

469
00:27:49,235 --> 00:27:53,295
And there was five of us, five Bitcoiners going out for wings.

470
00:27:53,475 --> 00:27:55,355
And we just started talking about mining.

471
00:27:56,075 --> 00:28:01,495
And four of the five of us are heating their houses with Bitcoin miners.

472
00:28:03,235 --> 00:28:04,995
So that's pretty cool.

473
00:28:06,855 --> 00:28:10,655
It makes sense up here because electricity is cheap.

474
00:28:10,655 --> 00:28:12,095
and the climate is cold.

475
00:28:14,275 --> 00:28:18,755
So, like I run, like I have an S19 Slim with a low-key kit.

476
00:28:19,595 --> 00:28:22,475
So it's just like, it's not anything overly fancy.

477
00:28:22,615 --> 00:28:24,235
It's just 30 terahash.

478
00:28:24,355 --> 00:28:24,815
It's nothing.

479
00:28:26,095 --> 00:28:28,795
But I haven't turned my heat on all year.

480
00:28:30,115 --> 00:28:30,995
How many watts is that?

481
00:28:31,655 --> 00:28:33,955
About 700, 720.

482
00:28:34,395 --> 00:28:34,695
Nice.

483
00:28:35,195 --> 00:28:38,535
So, you know, it's not that much.

484
00:28:38,535 --> 00:28:39,955
It's not the same as like a bar fridge.

485
00:28:39,955 --> 00:28:42,375
How many watts does a bar fridge use?

486
00:28:42,455 --> 00:28:43,115
Like maybe 750?

487
00:28:44,755 --> 00:28:46,755
I think it's less than that, but still.

488
00:28:47,375 --> 00:28:50,115
It's certainly less than an electric space heater.

489
00:28:50,335 --> 00:28:51,075
Those are like 1,500.

490
00:28:51,755 --> 00:28:55,875
Yeah, so I'm only running 700 watts, 30 tera hash,

491
00:28:56,075 --> 00:28:57,635
but it heats my entire condo.

492
00:28:58,315 --> 00:29:01,875
I don't have a terribly big space, and it's open,

493
00:29:02,355 --> 00:29:03,595
but at the same time,

494
00:29:03,875 --> 00:29:07,335
and I only pay like $0.07 per kilowatt hour.

495
00:29:07,335 --> 00:29:16,955
so like i i haven't paid for heat i i'm i'm not i'm not making a ton of bitcoin off my 30 terahash

496
00:29:16,955 --> 00:29:23,695
but at the same time like i'm not paying anything for heat uh so i was uh i was moaning to i was

497
00:29:23,695 --> 00:29:29,015
moaning to rev uh before we started recording i think right before you jumped on that i had to

498
00:29:29,015 --> 00:29:35,035
so every winter for the last like four or five years i heat my basement with my i have an s9

499
00:29:35,035 --> 00:29:41,235
yeah and uh this was the year i just couldn't do it anymore our electricity prices in massachusetts

500
00:29:41,235 --> 00:29:48,415
were up around 34 cents a kilowatt hour it's literally insane oh yeah so i was bleeding money

501
00:29:48,415 --> 00:29:55,515
into this thing you know and making like you know it was i run it uh at like 950 watts um which for

502
00:29:55,515 --> 00:30:00,975
you know for the efficiency but yeah i'm pulling in like i don't even know like 150 sets a day

503
00:30:00,975 --> 00:30:06,875
you know it's like nothing no no there's a lot of a lot of guys and shout out to my friend dave

504
00:30:06,875 --> 00:30:12,495
like one of my one of my buddies up here my buddy dave he's he's kind of like uh are you guys you

505
00:30:12,495 --> 00:30:19,615
know 256 heat twan like 256 heat that they're like yeah he's in he's in the heat punks i i see

506
00:30:19,615 --> 00:30:27,095
a lot of he has really nice slick looking uh setups man yeah his stuff his his his are like the

507
00:30:27,095 --> 00:30:33,095
the Bentleys of home mining equipment. Like he is no joke. Like he's like, he's an artist. Like

508
00:30:33,095 --> 00:30:38,795
his, his machines are beautiful. So my buddy up here, Dave, Dave kind of had the, it's his part

509
00:30:38,795 --> 00:30:42,755
time gig. He, you know, he's kind of got this idea of like, he's going to start doing something

510
00:30:42,755 --> 00:30:48,175
like that. He has a 3d printer and he's, he's, I think he's an electrical engineer by education.

511
00:30:48,175 --> 00:30:54,135
And he knows his way around, you know, like a circuit board and he can take apart a miner.

512
00:30:54,135 --> 00:30:59,935
so he's been kind of doing it on the side just making little ones nothing fancy like what twan

513
00:30:59,935 --> 00:31:06,735
has like so he made me mine and sold it to me at cost so i only paid 500 for this thing so so dave

514
00:31:06,735 --> 00:31:11,555
dave like shout out to dave he makes these and he kind of sells them a couple of the guys have one

515
00:31:11,555 --> 00:31:18,335
uh you know other other of my friends i got i got friends who hook up miners up to their dryers

516
00:31:18,335 --> 00:31:25,455
so they've got two or three s9s that feed into their dryers uh i got another buddy of mine who

517
00:31:25,455 --> 00:31:30,935
kind of he doesn't live off grid but it's semi off grid like he's kind of out there in the

518
00:31:30,935 --> 00:31:39,515
countryside and so his heat is propane because there's no natural gas where he's at so he's

519
00:31:39,515 --> 00:31:47,035
kind of been slow and he's got a pretty big big house so he's he's slowly buying an s19 every year

520
00:31:47,035 --> 00:31:50,075
and hooking it straight into his house

521
00:31:50,075 --> 00:31:52,055
to kind of at least supplement the propane

522
00:31:52,055 --> 00:31:53,135
because propane is expensive.

523
00:31:55,075 --> 00:31:57,015
Well, in my situation, man,

524
00:31:57,555 --> 00:32:01,615
like, so I use Bitcoin mining to heat the homestead here.

525
00:32:02,615 --> 00:32:04,295
And I don't have propane.

526
00:32:04,375 --> 00:32:04,975
I've got wood.

527
00:32:05,155 --> 00:32:06,915
I've got this rocket mass heater that I built

528
00:32:06,915 --> 00:32:09,155
and I can burn wood to heat my place.

529
00:32:09,795 --> 00:32:14,135
But, you know, the wood takes a lot of work to process

530
00:32:14,135 --> 00:32:15,815
and I don't have a log splitter,

531
00:32:15,815 --> 00:32:18,895
So I split all that shit by hand and I stack it up.

532
00:32:19,215 --> 00:32:23,015
And so it's pretty valuable to me that wood.

533
00:32:23,695 --> 00:32:32,415
And if I can avoid, like, so the other thing is, like, in this guy's situation, if he's off grid and I don't know, maybe he's on solar power or something like that.

534
00:32:32,415 --> 00:32:37,295
and you want to have your propane or your wood

535
00:32:37,295 --> 00:32:40,195
be sort of the backup in case shit really hits the fan

536
00:32:40,195 --> 00:32:46,075
and use the Bitcoin mining stuff to save your backups.

537
00:32:46,655 --> 00:32:49,655
I'm basically using the Bitcoin miners so I've got wood

538
00:32:49,655 --> 00:32:52,055
in case my power goes out, my internet goes out

539
00:32:52,055 --> 00:32:53,835
and I can't use the miners to heat the house

540
00:32:53,835 --> 00:32:55,835
and now I've got this stockpile of wood

541
00:32:55,835 --> 00:32:57,355
or it gets really cold or whatever.

542
00:32:57,355 --> 00:33:06,215
and so I think like in addition to the sats that you get for in as like a rebate on your power

543
00:33:06,215 --> 00:33:12,295
usage right you also are participating in the network right like you're you're securing your

544
00:33:12,295 --> 00:33:18,175
own stack in in a way by owning and operating hash rate because if there's some funny business

545
00:33:18,175 --> 00:33:24,575
going on you can choose the pool that you that shares the values that you want to support and

546
00:33:24,575 --> 00:33:26,535
put your hash rate to work for you.

547
00:33:27,875 --> 00:33:29,915
And so there's a lot more to owning

548
00:33:29,915 --> 00:33:32,275
and operating hash rate than just getting the heat

549
00:33:32,275 --> 00:33:33,915
and just getting the sats.

550
00:33:34,735 --> 00:33:36,935
And so the other thing is like

551
00:33:36,935 --> 00:33:40,555
acquiring these Bitcoin miners is kind of sketchy, right?

552
00:33:40,715 --> 00:33:44,075
You could go on eBay and try and find a miner

553
00:33:44,075 --> 00:33:45,935
and half the time it's broken and shit.

554
00:33:46,315 --> 00:33:49,735
Or you can buy a full rig from like a mega miner

555
00:33:49,735 --> 00:33:52,695
or some place online, Altair Tech.

556
00:33:52,815 --> 00:33:54,255
They have a good reputation.

557
00:33:54,255 --> 00:33:57,315
You know, you're going to get a good piece of equipment, but it's fairly expensive.

558
00:33:57,315 --> 00:34:04,915
And then you still have to kind of do the modifications to make it work on the 110 volt or be able to use the set up your own 220 or whatever.

559
00:34:05,435 --> 00:34:12,075
But at the meetups, this is like a perfect opportunity for somebody who like this guy, they can make these single board miners.

560
00:34:12,315 --> 00:34:16,775
He can make the miners. He can distribute the hash rate, make it available to the local community.

561
00:34:16,835 --> 00:34:20,875
And now you get to own and operate some hash, support the circular economy.

562
00:34:20,875 --> 00:34:37,375
I think Bitcoin mining, like the Bitcoin miner, heat punk tinkerers, is a great opportunity for them to really get this hash rate truly distributed amongst the plebs, amongst the pioneers, and allow people to utilize it.

563
00:34:38,135 --> 00:34:43,615
And I will say that there is no better subculture in Bitcoin than the home mining guys.

564
00:34:44,695 --> 00:34:45,615
There are none.

565
00:34:45,995 --> 00:34:49,815
These guys are the guys that, like you say, they're tinkerers.

566
00:34:49,815 --> 00:34:56,435
they're incredibly helpful they always like we always want to talk about mining i've never met a

567
00:34:56,435 --> 00:35:02,895
guy who home mines who doesn't want to talk about his setup everybody always wants to talk about

568
00:35:02,895 --> 00:35:09,515
their setup everybody wants to just like compare notes and share pictures it's it's it's like like

569
00:35:09,515 --> 00:35:13,795
women and their dogs or their kids you know they're showing pictures to each other it's like

570
00:35:13,795 --> 00:35:15,795
oh, look, look, look at my kids, look at my dogs.

571
00:35:17,555 --> 00:35:20,055
Home miners are like that with their mining rigs.

572
00:35:20,555 --> 00:35:22,215
And they're super helpful.

573
00:35:23,195 --> 00:35:26,475
Like, I think one of you guys, maybe, maybe it was you, I don't remember.

574
00:35:26,575 --> 00:35:31,435
One of you guys yesterday messaged me and said that you heard me on the home mining podcast.

575
00:35:32,155 --> 00:35:34,835
It's like, yeah, because the home mining podcast,

576
00:35:34,835 --> 00:35:42,395
that's like the highest signal types of guys in the space,

577
00:35:42,395 --> 00:35:45,235
especially during a bear market, are the home mining guys.

578
00:35:45,915 --> 00:35:48,795
And there's so much to learn with having a miner.

579
00:35:49,475 --> 00:35:53,575
Like you learn so much about Bitcoin just by tinkering around with an S9.

580
00:35:54,475 --> 00:35:56,995
Or even like a bid axe.

581
00:35:57,075 --> 00:36:01,495
Like you can buy a $100 bid axe or $150 bid axe and just learn a ton.

582
00:36:02,375 --> 00:36:06,075
And go to your local meetups and talk about it.

583
00:36:06,815 --> 00:36:09,735
And everybody's got a different type of rig.

584
00:36:09,735 --> 00:36:13,515
Everybody's got a different nerd axe or bid axe or home mining.

585
00:36:13,755 --> 00:36:16,715
And we all love to fucking talk about our machines.

586
00:36:18,295 --> 00:36:21,075
Yeah, so you have the Bitcoin basics.

587
00:36:21,695 --> 00:36:24,155
I mentioned that I have a lot of beginners at mine.

588
00:36:24,575 --> 00:36:28,355
And I think you kind of nailed me there as a home miner.

589
00:36:28,775 --> 00:36:33,615
I think the very first educational meetup that I did was on home mining.

590
00:36:33,615 --> 00:36:39,535
and home mining has probably been the most persistent educational topic that I bring up

591
00:36:39,535 --> 00:36:44,915
at my meetups. So, you know, but it's great. It's honestly, it's a great education tool because

592
00:36:44,915 --> 00:36:50,375
even for people who don't even know what you're talking about, you can bring something in that's

593
00:36:50,375 --> 00:36:55,315
physical, right? Like so much of Bitcoin isn't physical, but when you can bring in a miner,

594
00:36:55,315 --> 00:37:00,975
like I brought in a broken S9. It's actually the one that's sitting behind me on the shelf here,

595
00:37:00,975 --> 00:37:02,655
but I just brought it with me.

596
00:37:02,975 --> 00:37:04,215
I pulled out the hash boards.

597
00:37:05,115 --> 00:37:06,795
You know, I'm showing people this is how it works.

598
00:37:06,955 --> 00:37:09,995
And these little chips here, these are the actual miners.

599
00:37:10,215 --> 00:37:10,615
You know what I mean?

600
00:37:10,655 --> 00:37:11,775
This is just a big thing.

601
00:37:11,875 --> 00:37:13,875
And here's the control board and here's how it works.

602
00:37:14,335 --> 00:37:17,315
And at a previous one, I had fired it up

603
00:37:17,315 --> 00:37:20,435
and I was showing them Brains OS and stuff like that.

604
00:37:20,555 --> 00:37:22,095
And we had a BitX workshop.

605
00:37:22,555 --> 00:37:25,775
So, you know, it's really a great education tool

606
00:37:25,775 --> 00:37:28,195
and it gets people like engaged and excited

607
00:37:28,195 --> 00:37:31,755
because you're not just talking about numbers on a screen finally.

608
00:37:32,375 --> 00:37:34,515
You know, you can bring in something and hand it around

609
00:37:34,515 --> 00:37:35,895
and people can put their hands on it.

610
00:37:35,995 --> 00:37:39,875
I think it's a great education tool for Bitcoin meetups.

611
00:37:41,155 --> 00:37:44,335
And there's just like a lot of misconceptions about,

612
00:37:45,395 --> 00:37:49,075
or maybe assumptions, like these miners are always loud

613
00:37:49,075 --> 00:37:50,755
and they always take up so much power.

614
00:37:51,335 --> 00:37:55,375
But we're moving into an era now where you can modify these miners

615
00:37:55,375 --> 00:37:58,155
and now there's even direct-to-market miners that are targeted

616
00:37:58,155 --> 00:38:00,295
at home mining that are quiet.

617
00:38:00,695 --> 00:38:02,995
They produce just the amount of heat that you need.

618
00:38:04,295 --> 00:38:07,355
And yeah, it's one of those things

619
00:38:07,355 --> 00:38:08,535
where when you show up with the miner,

620
00:38:08,795 --> 00:38:11,315
you can feel the heat coming out of it.

621
00:38:11,375 --> 00:38:12,675
You can see how quiet it can be.

622
00:38:12,775 --> 00:38:14,835
You can see that you can just plug it right into the wall.

623
00:38:15,515 --> 00:38:17,295
The Wi-Fi is connected right up.

624
00:38:17,355 --> 00:38:20,455
It's easy to a degree.

625
00:38:21,015 --> 00:38:22,395
And it's like a lot of people,

626
00:38:22,575 --> 00:38:24,615
they've started stacking.

627
00:38:25,035 --> 00:38:28,515
They've got, you know, now they've got their hardware wallet.

628
00:38:28,655 --> 00:38:29,715
They've got their node set up.

629
00:38:30,095 --> 00:38:31,415
And it's like, what's the next step?

630
00:38:31,495 --> 00:38:33,175
Now you got to own and operate some hash.

631
00:38:33,595 --> 00:38:35,635
And then beyond that, it's like, well, then you start,

632
00:38:35,875 --> 00:38:37,235
then you're already coming to the meetups.

633
00:38:38,035 --> 00:38:42,655
If there is a Bitcoin maximalism purity test or whatever,

634
00:38:42,975 --> 00:38:44,255
it's like you passed it, right?

635
00:38:44,595 --> 00:38:46,815
You got the hardware wallet, you run the node,

636
00:38:46,815 --> 00:38:50,415
you hash it home, and you're, you know, going to the meetup.

637
00:38:50,495 --> 00:38:53,895
I'd say you're doing a pretty good job of participating maximally

638
00:38:53,895 --> 00:38:55,915
and the Bitcoin community and culture.

639
00:38:56,615 --> 00:38:58,075
Yeah, and it depends, again,

640
00:38:58,175 --> 00:39:00,155
like what type of climate you're in.

641
00:39:00,515 --> 00:39:02,075
If you're in a tropical climate

642
00:39:02,075 --> 00:39:04,635
where electricity is really expensive,

643
00:39:05,055 --> 00:39:06,335
like in Hawaii or something,

644
00:39:06,975 --> 00:39:09,095
you're probably Bitcoin mining stuff,

645
00:39:09,215 --> 00:39:11,635
not as important.

646
00:39:12,175 --> 00:39:13,375
But you're in a place like,

647
00:39:13,555 --> 00:39:15,375
the locations that we're in,

648
00:39:15,375 --> 00:39:19,695
it's bloody cold up here in winter, right?

649
00:39:19,915 --> 00:39:22,595
So I know Reed's paying a ton of money on electricity,

650
00:39:22,595 --> 00:39:24,735
but like Michigan, what are the rates like in Michigan?

651
00:39:26,195 --> 00:39:32,115
Well, their average is about 18 to 20 cents, I'd say, for residential.

652
00:39:32,995 --> 00:39:40,155
I'm at 14 cents in the wintertime, and I can get down off peak below 10 cents in the summer.

653
00:39:41,415 --> 00:39:45,775
But, you know, a lot of people have, everyone's got a clothes dryer, right?

654
00:39:45,815 --> 00:39:47,615
And a lot of times their clothes dryer is electric.

655
00:39:48,115 --> 00:39:51,755
And so it's like if you have somebody in your community who has converted their clothes dryer,

656
00:39:51,755 --> 00:39:57,355
they're probably not going to go over to your house and do that conversion for you but like you

657
00:39:57,355 --> 00:40:01,395
said they're going to be happy to tell you everything they know about it and guide you

658
00:40:01,395 --> 00:40:07,415
and how to do it yourself and the same is true with hot water um i've developed some some techniques

659
00:40:07,415 --> 00:40:13,815
that are that make doing the the bitcoin mining hot water uh really accessible nobody in my local

660
00:40:13,815 --> 00:40:29,070
area has taken the leap we got one guy that working on a pool heater um which is an immersion set up right But once the mining is introduced into the culture and the community and people are discussing it now people are starting to try and find ways

661
00:40:29,070 --> 00:40:31,830
where they can, if they're not in an opportune climate

662
00:40:31,830 --> 00:40:32,330
or whatever.

663
00:40:32,650 --> 00:40:34,530
And obviously when the summertime comes around,

664
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:36,630
you want to find ways to keep hashing anyways.

665
00:40:36,770 --> 00:40:37,790
You've already got the equipment.

666
00:40:38,330 --> 00:40:39,450
Give me an excuse to keep,

667
00:40:39,590 --> 00:40:42,150
can I make a food dehydrator now

668
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:43,690
and go to the farmer's market,

669
00:40:43,810 --> 00:40:44,850
buy a bunch of extra tomatoes

670
00:40:44,850 --> 00:40:49,450
and make sun-dried tomatoes with my Bitcoin miner, basically, right?

671
00:40:49,570 --> 00:40:50,110
Or whatever.

672
00:40:51,230 --> 00:40:55,350
But yeah, there's a lot of...

673
00:40:55,350 --> 00:40:57,510
This information is hard to find.

674
00:40:58,570 --> 00:41:00,290
And it's hard to trust, too.

675
00:41:00,850 --> 00:41:03,350
When you go and you're searching on Twitter or Noster

676
00:41:03,350 --> 00:41:05,990
or on any of these weird group chats and stuff,

677
00:41:06,350 --> 00:41:09,110
when you have somebody that you can call and talk to

678
00:41:09,110 --> 00:41:11,130
and meet in person to guide you through,

679
00:41:11,810 --> 00:41:13,690
it makes it a lot more accessible.

680
00:41:13,690 --> 00:41:15,530
And this is how we strengthen the network.

681
00:41:15,530 --> 00:41:16,330
And share ideas.

682
00:41:17,090 --> 00:41:17,450
Yes.

683
00:41:17,690 --> 00:41:18,870
And just collaborate.

684
00:41:22,830 --> 00:41:25,990
And so also, I'm working.

685
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:33,930
I haven't perfected this yet, but I won a hackathon last summer for doing Bitcoin mining air conditioning.

686
00:41:33,930 --> 00:41:47,570
And so hopefully soon the home miners will be able to take their space heaters and convert them into, you know, getting some cool air from it as well in the summertime.

687
00:41:50,090 --> 00:41:50,990
That's interesting.

688
00:41:51,890 --> 00:41:52,810
That's wild.

689
00:41:53,550 --> 00:41:56,810
Are you using like, it's not inversion?

690
00:41:56,990 --> 00:41:57,870
What is it called?

691
00:41:58,110 --> 00:42:01,510
Like with the, not Freon gas, but something very similar to Freon.

692
00:42:01,510 --> 00:42:05,110
and the same way a heat pump works?

693
00:42:05,770 --> 00:42:06,890
Yes, you could do that,

694
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:09,450
but that's not very accessible to the average person, right?

695
00:42:09,490 --> 00:42:10,650
Because you need to create a vacuum

696
00:42:10,650 --> 00:42:13,930
and you need to work with some materials

697
00:42:13,930 --> 00:42:15,870
that are not necessarily easily accessible.

698
00:42:17,450 --> 00:42:19,930
But so the way that I'm doing it is I take,

699
00:42:20,450 --> 00:42:23,690
it's basically a supercharged evaporative cooler.

700
00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:25,990
And so I take the exhaust heat from the miner

701
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:29,150
and I blow it over a radiator

702
00:42:29,150 --> 00:42:33,850
that's lined with this clay that's super hydrophilic.

703
00:42:34,010 --> 00:42:35,830
It really loves to absorb water.

704
00:42:36,650 --> 00:42:39,790
And so when you got this hot air blowing past,

705
00:42:39,830 --> 00:42:41,130
it could be really humid outside.

706
00:42:41,350 --> 00:42:42,550
You could be in a humid climate,

707
00:42:42,990 --> 00:42:46,170
but because the heat from the miner is so hot,

708
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:49,210
there's a lot more room to absorb moisture in there.

709
00:42:50,050 --> 00:42:52,010
And so when you blow it over this clay on this radiator,

710
00:42:52,610 --> 00:42:56,790
you're forcing the clay to aggressively evaporate water off of it,

711
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:59,530
and which creates on the other side of the clay

712
00:42:59,530 --> 00:43:03,010
that's next to the radiator, a cooling effect, right?

713
00:43:03,070 --> 00:43:04,150
This evaporative cooling effect.

714
00:43:04,170 --> 00:43:04,650
That's genius, dude.

715
00:43:04,650 --> 00:43:06,170
And so I'm able to take the water

716
00:43:06,170 --> 00:43:08,910
that's going through that radiator and cool it down.

717
00:43:09,390 --> 00:43:10,950
And you don't necessarily have to get

718
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:12,150
to freezing temperatures, right?

719
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:15,730
If your water that's going through there is,

720
00:43:15,870 --> 00:43:17,490
let's say it's 80 degrees in your house

721
00:43:17,490 --> 00:43:19,230
and you want to get down to 75,

722
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:21,550
well, you can achieve that five degree temperature

723
00:43:21,550 --> 00:43:22,950
differential with this technique.

724
00:43:23,770 --> 00:43:26,770
And it's probably, if you compare it

725
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:33,010
to the energy efficiency of any of the other air conditioning techniques that you have.

726
00:43:33,090 --> 00:43:35,430
It's not going to be very energy efficient.

727
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:39,430
But if you've already got the miner and the hash is there from the wintertime,

728
00:43:39,850 --> 00:43:42,990
now you're able to continue hashing and supplement your AC.

729
00:43:46,590 --> 00:43:49,530
It's very much in the proof of concept stage.

730
00:43:50,070 --> 00:43:54,370
But soon I think people will be able to do this in a very accessible way.

731
00:43:54,490 --> 00:43:56,410
I ordered all the shit to do this on Amazon.

732
00:43:56,790 --> 00:44:00,390
You know, it's not like anything that you need to know anything special about.

733
00:44:01,730 --> 00:44:05,930
You know, I've been meaning to ask you, Rev, how the hell did you come up with that idea?

734
00:44:06,670 --> 00:44:08,790
Like, it's pretty smart, man.

735
00:44:09,550 --> 00:44:09,730
Yeah.

736
00:44:09,810 --> 00:44:14,570
Like, how did you like, did you know about this clay or had you seen like another application

737
00:44:14,570 --> 00:44:17,850
that was doing something similar or like, how the hell did you come up with that?

738
00:44:20,170 --> 00:44:21,890
I will attribute it to cannabis.

739
00:44:23,010 --> 00:44:26,730
I use cannabis to to help me solve problems.

740
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:56,770
I like I enjoy cannabis but a lot of times what cannabis does for me is it helps me to think outside the box and I sort of had reached the pin like okay I made the Bitcoin mining clothes dry I'm drying all my laundry with Bitcoin miners I made the Bitcoin mining hot water heater I'm heating my water with Bitcoin miners it's like I've done everything to use the heat what's what's left it's like I need to figure out how to make cold and this was kind of like the holy grail and so

741
00:44:56,790 --> 00:45:02,310
And I, you know, and this was right around when the AI stuff was starting to really become accessible.

742
00:45:03,250 --> 00:45:09,650
And so I just looked on YouTube a little bit, trying to find, and I ended up with what we first talked about,

743
00:45:09,650 --> 00:45:17,790
these complex methods of taking this like non, this mid-grade heat and using it to create cooling effects.

744
00:45:18,130 --> 00:45:26,590
And these like grocery stores, for example, will have, they'll take all of the heat from the coolers and everything.

745
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:33,030
and run it through a process that basically makes it help supplement the AC of the building.

746
00:45:34,770 --> 00:45:37,790
And I just was like, well, there's got to be a simpler way to do this.

747
00:45:37,790 --> 00:45:42,170
And so the swamp cooler technique was like, okay, if I could just,

748
00:45:42,310 --> 00:45:45,270
the biggest problem with the swamp coolers is that you have to have a dry climate.

749
00:45:45,710 --> 00:45:48,690
And I was like, well, the Bitcoin miner creates the dry climate.

750
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:53,810
How do I just create the perfect environment for the evaporation to take place?

751
00:45:54,350 --> 00:45:56,010
How much of the clay do you need though?

752
00:45:56,790 --> 00:46:08,110
Well, this is, that's the, that's the, really the question is like, I can take right now with one hash board, like a five gallon bucket of water from 80 degrees to 75 degrees.

753
00:46:08,270 --> 00:46:11,490
And so that might be enough to like cool your bathroom or something.

754
00:46:11,590 --> 00:46:11,990
Right.

755
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:19,450
And so like I said, so if you're running like 700 Watts just to cool your bathroom, that's a pretty expensive air conditioner.

756
00:46:21,170 --> 00:46:25,190
But this is at, once again, at a proof of concept stage where I haven't really insulated everything.

757
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:28,750
It's like super, there's energy leaking all over the system, right?

758
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:32,070
If I really tighten it up, I think it can get much better than that.

759
00:46:32,510 --> 00:46:34,310
This is why Bitcoiners are the best.

760
00:46:35,090 --> 00:46:36,950
Like shit like this, right?

761
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:38,390
Like it's not just genius.

762
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:39,770
It's also practical.

763
00:46:40,410 --> 00:46:41,170
It's tinkering.

764
00:46:41,250 --> 00:46:41,870
It's proof of work.

765
00:46:42,010 --> 00:46:43,030
Like this is proof of work.

766
00:46:43,230 --> 00:46:43,790
This is what proof of work is.

767
00:46:43,790 --> 00:46:44,450
It's low cost.

768
00:46:45,090 --> 00:46:45,290
Yeah.

769
00:46:45,590 --> 00:46:46,710
It's just problem solving.

770
00:46:46,850 --> 00:46:48,930
It's just engineering mindset all the time.

771
00:46:49,070 --> 00:46:50,670
Like what's the problem?

772
00:46:50,850 --> 00:46:51,630
How can we fix it?

773
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:53,050
How can we think outside the box?

774
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:57,030
So I do want to talk.

775
00:46:57,190 --> 00:47:02,570
You are like the Olympic gold medal winner of podcast listening.

776
00:47:03,310 --> 00:47:04,350
That's either me or Pies.

777
00:47:04,570 --> 00:47:07,190
And I think Pies is like missing in action right now.

778
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:10,230
So I guess like as long as Pies is missing in action, like I'm the champ.

779
00:47:11,070 --> 00:47:13,730
Well, and Pies is, you know, Pies boosts.

780
00:47:13,830 --> 00:47:15,050
He's a good booster, right?

781
00:47:15,090 --> 00:47:18,130
He's good at letting everyone know that he listens to podcasts.

782
00:47:18,250 --> 00:47:22,270
Maybe everyone doesn't know that you listen to a lot of podcasts.

783
00:47:22,270 --> 00:47:25,870
I think you have a situation where you can do 2x.

784
00:47:26,730 --> 00:47:27,990
1.75.

785
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:28,730
Okay.

786
00:47:28,930 --> 00:47:29,090
Yeah.

787
00:47:29,150 --> 00:47:29,330
Yeah.

788
00:47:29,370 --> 00:47:30,290
So almost 2x.

789
00:47:30,690 --> 00:47:30,890
Yeah.

790
00:47:31,150 --> 00:47:34,710
But man, I think that Bitcoin podcasts are like this.

791
00:47:35,570 --> 00:47:40,870
To me, this is one of the big reasons why I wanted to start a podcast and shout out to

792
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:46,750
Bugle Weekly, Bugle News for really pushing everybody to start a Bitcoin podcast.

793
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:51,570
But I get this feeling like those kinds of podcasts remind me.

794
00:47:51,570 --> 00:47:57,770
When I was living in Chicago, I was participating in this like underground DIY punk music scene.

795
00:47:58,010 --> 00:48:08,750
Right. And a lot of the way that you found out information about what was going on in this culture was everyone was making these little printout Xerox zines and handed the zines out.

796
00:48:08,750 --> 00:48:11,330
And you kind of collect these zines and you'd be looking forward.

797
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:14,150
You could go to the show and then get the zine from the person.

798
00:48:14,430 --> 00:48:15,250
And it was cool.

799
00:48:15,250 --> 00:48:20,990
and and bitcoin podcasting kind of like this podcast or whatever feels like that to me where

800
00:48:20,990 --> 00:48:26,590
we're uh we're just sharing this information for the the sake of like building the culture

801
00:48:26,590 --> 00:48:34,610
and um so i was curious like what are your like if you were to say like i know that you probably

802
00:48:34,610 --> 00:48:39,690
get a lot of entropy in all the podcasts that you do listen to but like what are some of the

803
00:48:39,690 --> 00:48:44,950
ones that you think are the are good ones for podcasts well you mentioned the bugle they were

804
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:46,570
my favorite podcasts of last year.

805
00:48:46,850 --> 00:48:47,490
They were the best.

806
00:48:48,370 --> 00:48:51,230
The Bugle was the best Bitcoin podcast of 2025.

807
00:48:52,510 --> 00:48:53,630
It's not my favorite.

808
00:48:53,850 --> 00:48:55,570
It's probably my second favorite, third favorite.

809
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:56,170
It's up there.

810
00:48:56,850 --> 00:48:59,950
I think The Path to Bitcoin is the best Bitcoin podcast

811
00:48:59,950 --> 00:49:01,610
out there right now.

812
00:49:02,450 --> 00:49:04,010
The Path to Bitcoin is this guy.

813
00:49:04,730 --> 00:49:06,170
I don't want to dox his name.

814
00:49:06,830 --> 00:49:10,490
He's just literally one guy who loves Bitcoin,

815
00:49:10,610 --> 00:49:11,610
loves thinking about Bitcoin.

816
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:13,990
He records whenever he feels like it.

817
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:18,610
Three of them can come out in a week, and then you don't hear from him for two or three months.

818
00:49:19,050 --> 00:49:23,450
And then he's got one a week for a month, and then he disappears for a while.

819
00:49:25,110 --> 00:49:26,530
He doesn't do it for the listens.

820
00:49:26,650 --> 00:49:27,690
He doesn't do it for the clicks.

821
00:49:28,270 --> 00:49:32,670
He literally, his podcast is literally just him organizing his own thoughts.

822
00:49:33,810 --> 00:49:40,470
And he's legitimately, I think, there's a lot of smart guys in Bitcoin.

823
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:42,630
You know, I'm talking to a couple of them right now.

824
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:44,470
but this guy's up there

825
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:45,650
the smartest of the smart

826
00:49:45,650 --> 00:49:46,870
so the path to Bitcoin

827
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:49,130
my favorite

828
00:49:49,130 --> 00:49:50,170
the bugle

829
00:49:50,170 --> 00:49:51,270
I'm wearing the rock paper

830
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:52,690
Bitcoin t-shirt right now

831
00:49:52,690 --> 00:49:53,670
those are my guys

832
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:55,950
like fundamentals and business cat

833
00:49:55,950 --> 00:49:56,410
they're

834
00:49:56,410 --> 00:49:58,430
like they've become

835
00:49:58,430 --> 00:49:59,830
two of the most important people

836
00:49:59,830 --> 00:50:00,470
in my life

837
00:50:00,470 --> 00:50:02,130
over the past few years

838
00:50:02,130 --> 00:50:02,610
like

839
00:50:02,610 --> 00:50:03,650
like

840
00:50:03,650 --> 00:50:05,470
incredibly close friends

841
00:50:05,470 --> 00:50:07,550
like I was having a bad day

842
00:50:07,550 --> 00:50:08,830
a couple weeks ago

843
00:50:08,830 --> 00:50:10,330
and I called fundamentals

844
00:50:10,330 --> 00:50:11,530
nine o'clock in the morning

845
00:50:11,530 --> 00:50:12,110
on a Monday

846
00:50:12,110 --> 00:50:14,490
and he talked to me for two hours.

847
00:50:15,570 --> 00:50:16,750
You know, like that's,

848
00:50:17,290 --> 00:50:18,450
and Rock Paper Bitcoin,

849
00:50:18,650 --> 00:50:19,930
I know you guys are listeners.

850
00:50:20,370 --> 00:50:21,070
Rock Paper Bitcoin,

851
00:50:21,330 --> 00:50:23,030
it's not even a Bitcoin podcast.

852
00:50:23,290 --> 00:50:25,590
It's just two guys who met through Bitcoin

853
00:50:25,590 --> 00:50:29,730
who record and sometimes talk about Bitcoin,

854
00:50:29,870 --> 00:50:30,790
but they more or less,

855
00:50:31,050 --> 00:50:32,810
Bitcoin was just how they met.

856
00:50:35,050 --> 00:50:38,550
I'm a big fan of the Canadian Bitcoiners podcast

857
00:50:38,550 --> 00:50:40,650
in a similar way.

858
00:50:40,650 --> 00:50:42,870
Joey and Len have become my friends.

859
00:50:44,130 --> 00:50:47,150
But I also think that it's important to get news.

860
00:50:47,570 --> 00:50:49,410
If you're listening to the Bitcoin podcast,

861
00:50:49,710 --> 00:50:52,270
get an idea of what's going on in the community,

862
00:50:52,490 --> 00:50:57,610
what's going on out there, regulations or whatever.

863
00:50:57,790 --> 00:51:00,510
You should listen to one news podcast a week.

864
00:51:01,550 --> 00:51:04,650
I know Rabbit Hole Recap is probably the most popular one.

865
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:07,850
That's the one, Marty and Odell, they're great.

866
00:51:07,850 --> 00:51:13,630
but but to me like joey and len are my guys so like i'll go to canadian bitcoin podcast

867
00:51:13,630 --> 00:51:20,570
um and then number five i think i'm at was that five four or five uh i think the bitcoin matrix

868
00:51:20,570 --> 00:51:27,910
with cedric youngerman is the best interview podcast right now there's a couple other ones

869
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:33,530
that are up there i think discovering bitcoin is really good um all time i think john ballas was

870
00:51:33,530 --> 00:51:34,030
the best.

871
00:51:34,930 --> 00:51:36,830
He was the best

872
00:51:36,830 --> 00:51:39,630
interviewer I found in the Bitcoin space.

873
00:51:40,250 --> 00:51:41,270
So shout out to John Vallas,

874
00:51:41,350 --> 00:51:42,670
wherever he is. I hope he's on a beach

875
00:51:42,670 --> 00:51:44,290
enjoying his life.

876
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:46,150
I do miss John Vallas.

877
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:49,450
Bitcoin Rapid

878
00:51:49,450 --> 00:51:51,110
Fire was prime.

879
00:51:51,530 --> 00:51:53,250
That's S-tier Bitcoin podcast

880
00:51:53,250 --> 00:51:55,390
stuff. I think discovering

881
00:51:55,390 --> 00:51:57,030
Bitcoin is kind of like the

882
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:59,210
closest thing that we have

883
00:51:59,210 --> 00:52:00,810
to John Vallas' old

884
00:52:00,810 --> 00:52:02,610
stuff. DJ's great.

885
00:52:03,530 --> 00:52:08,350
very philosophical that one i i know that one uh i don't listen to every single one but

886
00:52:08,350 --> 00:52:17,050
makes you think right yeah it's good it's good uh and i like the niche ones like i like you guys

887
00:52:17,050 --> 00:52:21,570
like you guys are only two episodes in i seriously guys i'm not blowing smoke up your ass you guys

888
00:52:21,570 --> 00:52:27,610
are already in that conversation two or three episodes in you guys are are in the top 10 for

889
00:52:27,610 --> 00:52:34,870
me right now um i also the whole mining podcast with my two sats also i put out there especially

890
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:41,670
bear market vibes like you want to listen to something very positive um i like i i'd like

891
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:50,550
what two sats does um you know paula at bitcoin edge if you're looking for like plebs you know

892
00:52:50,550 --> 00:52:56,770
the way that john ballast used to just have on just people you know like names that you've never

893
00:52:56,770 --> 00:53:02,150
heard just random ass people and they go on his show and you're like oh this is cool and you just

894
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:07,890
check this person out on twitter and they got 100 followers or something like i think what paula does

895
00:53:07,890 --> 00:53:15,850
at bitcoin edge is something similar she just she'll have anybody on and i think that's really

896
00:53:15,850 --> 00:53:21,310
really cool so what's that that probably gives you close to 10 podcasts right off the bat there

897
00:53:21,310 --> 00:53:23,930
There's too many, right, to list off.

898
00:53:24,110 --> 00:53:27,550
But what do you think, like, what's important about the podcast?

899
00:53:27,830 --> 00:53:30,230
Like, what do you think they do for Bitcoin?

900
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:32,910
Why do you listen to them?

901
00:53:33,310 --> 00:53:36,710
Well, I'm a learner, right?

902
00:53:36,730 --> 00:53:38,070
Like, I love to learn stuff.

903
00:53:38,290 --> 00:53:40,130
And I can read.

904
00:53:40,310 --> 00:53:41,430
I can read.

905
00:53:41,850 --> 00:53:44,090
But I don't love to read.

906
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:46,910
I'm more of an audio learner.

907
00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:54,610
so I prefer to just throw on the podcast and just listen so I can get information that way

908
00:53:54,610 --> 00:54:01,150
over the past few years it's honestly the the bitcoin podcasting space has become my social

909
00:54:01,150 --> 00:54:08,270
network where this you know I do have the meetups like the in-person meetups but that's twice a

910
00:54:08,270 --> 00:54:12,330
month and and obviously they're important to me like those guys are my friends and like

911
00:54:12,330 --> 00:54:18,330
they're family to me like that that's my my crew but uh you know like with business cat and with

912
00:54:18,330 --> 00:54:23,530
fundamentals and joey and len and rod and dick at the bugle like those guys are not just

913
00:54:23,530 --> 00:54:30,890
entertainment to me like i i literally message those guys all the time like like they're my

914
00:54:30,890 --> 00:54:36,370
friends i ask them questions they ask me questions i'm involved in their shit like i i right so it's

915
00:54:36,370 --> 00:54:43,110
become like the social layer for me. Now, somebody listening to this, that might sound a little crazy.

916
00:54:44,430 --> 00:54:50,070
And I get it. It would have sounded crazy to me if I, you know, six months into my Bitcoin journey,

917
00:54:50,270 --> 00:54:53,990
if I was listening to somebody and saying, it's like, oh, all my friends are Bitcoin podcasters.

918
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:57,990
Like, that's kind of nuts. But that's what it is for me.

919
00:55:00,470 --> 00:55:05,770
You know what I think it is that you're describing a little bit? It really makes me think of this

920
00:55:05,770 --> 00:55:08,690
because I've wrestled with this a little bit

921
00:55:08,690 --> 00:55:10,630
and talked with a few guys about this too

922
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:12,930
because I don't even know,

923
00:55:13,110 --> 00:55:14,850
hard to put a date on it.

924
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:18,850
Like 2020, 2021, like Bitcoin Twitter was just,

925
00:55:19,150 --> 00:55:20,790
dude, that was just like where it was at.

926
00:55:21,090 --> 00:55:24,650
Like that was like the Bitcoin social layer.

927
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:27,530
And you can blame it on Noster

928
00:55:27,530 --> 00:55:29,610
or you can blame it on Elon

929
00:55:29,610 --> 00:55:31,510
or whatever you want to blame it on,

930
00:55:31,610 --> 00:55:32,850
but it's just not the same.

931
00:55:33,550 --> 00:55:34,430
Like everyone agrees.

932
00:55:34,430 --> 00:55:56,050
Like Bitcoin Twitter is just not the same. And I wonder if it almost kind of sounds like what you're saying. And I think I almost kind of agree to some extent. Like I wonder if the social layer has just moved, you know, the barrier to entry now for podcasts like Rev and I starting this podcast, like this extremely low barrier to entry. Right.

933
00:55:56,050 --> 00:56:01,150
And it's like if you really want to have a voice, I could blast a note on X.

934
00:56:01,510 --> 00:56:02,790
I have like 100 followers.

935
00:56:03,250 --> 00:56:04,570
Nobody's going to ever hear that.

936
00:56:05,150 --> 00:56:18,410
It'd be way easier and better for me to be, hey, if I want to have a voice, I'll produce a one-hour show and talk in great detail about all the stuff that I really want to opine on.

937
00:56:18,410 --> 00:56:25,970
And that's like actually maybe a better mechanism for the social layer of Bitcoin.

938
00:56:26,050 --> 00:56:31,810
and it bridges the gap between the Noster crew and the Twitter crew

939
00:56:31,810 --> 00:56:34,030
because we all fucking listen to podcasts, right?

940
00:56:34,030 --> 00:56:41,310
And so I think that what the podcast scene in Bitcoin has become

941
00:56:41,310 --> 00:56:42,690
is kind of like the glue.

942
00:56:43,250 --> 00:56:47,090
It's kind of like the glue that Twitter used to be

943
00:56:47,090 --> 00:56:52,590
and maybe before that, I don't know, Reddit or the Bitcoin Talk forums.

944
00:56:52,590 --> 00:57:03,370
I wonder if we're slowly starting to migrate over into this sphere as opposed to just this text-based online chit-chat or whatever.

945
00:57:04,370 --> 00:57:07,430
And it's also becoming a little bit more niche.

946
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:09,830
You can find your tribe.

947
00:57:11,090 --> 00:57:17,890
When I first got into Bitcoin, 2020, 2021, there was a handful of podcasts out there.

948
00:57:18,730 --> 00:57:20,950
You could listen to what Bitcoin did.

949
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:27,290
and get the same, you know, 10 interviews over and over and over,

950
00:57:27,410 --> 00:57:28,430
those same 10 guests.

951
00:57:28,530 --> 00:57:33,150
And then those guests would go on, you know, Preston Pysh's podcast,

952
00:57:33,570 --> 00:57:36,950
and then they'd go on the Swan podcast at the time.

953
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:38,770
And it's just like, it's good.

954
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:40,970
Like, I got nothing against listening to Larry Lepard.

955
00:57:41,170 --> 00:57:44,250
Like, you know, I like listening to Larry Lepard every once in a while.

956
00:57:44,250 --> 00:57:47,750
But I don't need to listen to Larry Lepard three times a week.

957
00:57:48,510 --> 00:57:49,830
Say the same things.

958
00:57:49,830 --> 00:58:06,990
I just don't need that. But what you can happen now, and I'm going to agree with Rev, I think the Bugle really did this. I think they're the ones that really started it to do something completely outside the box, completely different of what was going on in the Bitcoin space.

959
00:58:06,990 --> 00:58:10,730
and it just had a bunch of people now started to be like,

960
00:58:10,770 --> 00:58:13,430
oh, we can do something different, right?

961
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:14,450
Like what you guys are doing

962
00:58:14,450 --> 00:58:17,870
and what Fundamentals and Business Cat are doing.

963
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:21,490
It's just different, right?

964
00:58:21,850 --> 00:58:23,090
There's a new podcast out.

965
00:58:23,130 --> 00:58:24,090
I haven't even listened to it yet.

966
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:27,390
It's like the Muslim Bitcoin podcast in English.

967
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:32,510
I'm not Muslim, but I think it's cool as shit

968
00:58:32,510 --> 00:58:35,210
that they're making that type of niche podcast

969
00:58:35,210 --> 00:58:36,890
and they're all over the fountain charts now.

970
00:58:36,890 --> 00:58:40,570
They're like three or four episodes in and they're like, all of their episodes are in the top 30.

971
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:42,450
So they must be doing something right.

972
00:58:43,250 --> 00:58:45,890
So you can kind of find your tribe within your tribe.

973
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:52,230
I mean, look, we're on a Bitcoin podcast about Bitcoin meetups.

974
00:58:53,870 --> 00:58:55,330
That's cool as shit, guys.

975
00:58:55,330 --> 00:59:03,370
Well, so the meetups, I think all this stuff is what I'm, I talk about this eight forms of capital all the time.

976
00:59:03,370 --> 00:59:08,890
And cultural capital is one of the things like you you get Bitcoin, right?

977
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:10,090
That's your financial capital.

978
00:59:10,430 --> 00:59:18,950
But in order to like maintain your conviction in Bitcoin, you need to be sure that like you're not just the only one in out there.

979
00:59:19,310 --> 00:59:19,470
Yes.

980
00:59:19,590 --> 00:59:26,070
You know, and so the meetups create this this true sense of local culture.

981
00:59:26,290 --> 00:59:26,650
Correct.

982
00:59:26,650 --> 00:59:33,090
Where you meet people and you know that there's other people in that you know in person that you can meet in and interact with.

983
00:59:33,370 --> 00:59:38,670
But the same thing happens in a digital form with the podcast, right?

984
00:59:38,690 --> 00:59:42,670
Like you start listening to these podcasts, you become friends with the podcasters.

985
00:59:42,830 --> 00:59:44,550
And then there's often group chats.

986
00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:46,370
And this is something that we didn't really talk about.

987
00:59:46,590 --> 00:59:51,610
If you have a group chat associated with your meetup, but you end up in these group chats

988
00:59:51,610 --> 00:59:56,310
and you start to build relationships and cultural capital around whatever that podcast is.

989
00:59:57,150 --> 01:00:02,330
And Reed, you made a great point in that this is a bridge that there's no, there's, there's

990
01:00:02,330 --> 01:00:09,390
no um no stir twitter whatever you're using the podcasts are ubiquitous right and so they're

991
01:00:09,390 --> 01:00:14,970
incredibly important in that regard for the propagation and and promotion of cultural capital

992
01:00:14,970 --> 01:00:22,770
across uh these niches of bitcoin and bitcoin obviously is a decentralizing force so it makes

993
01:00:22,770 --> 01:00:27,050
it only makes sense that it would start off uh five six seven years ago that there's only a

994
01:00:27,050 --> 01:00:40,065
handful of bitcoin podcasts and now there a thousand right and they on various different subjects about everything you can imagine Now the challenge with that is deciphering signal from the noise

995
01:00:42,065 --> 01:00:46,225
And as there's going to be more and more Bitcoin podcasts,

996
01:00:46,505 --> 01:00:47,905
there's going to be a lot of good ones

997
01:00:47,905 --> 01:00:49,425
and there's going to be a lot of bad ones.

998
01:00:50,645 --> 01:00:51,005
Right?

999
01:00:51,005 --> 01:00:56,745
And where I'm trying to do with my Twitter,

1000
01:00:56,745 --> 01:00:58,765
and I think you guys follow me on Twitter.

1001
01:00:58,905 --> 01:01:02,985
I try to pretty much only talk about Bitcoin podcasts

1002
01:01:02,985 --> 01:01:03,945
on my Twitter account.

1003
01:01:04,025 --> 01:01:06,405
And I try to just share one or two a day

1004
01:01:06,405 --> 01:01:09,185
where it's like, okay, this is one I really liked.

1005
01:01:09,265 --> 01:01:11,745
And I try to do it, this one was original

1006
01:01:11,745 --> 01:01:12,885
or this one was interesting

1007
01:01:12,885 --> 01:01:17,325
or, oh, this is like not your typical Jeff Booth interview.

1008
01:01:17,445 --> 01:01:18,565
This was something different.

1009
01:01:18,565 --> 01:01:21,865
Or, oh, this is an interview with someone

1010
01:01:21,865 --> 01:01:23,745
who in the finance world

1011
01:01:23,745 --> 01:01:25,625
who doesn't usually talk about Bitcoin,

1012
01:01:25,625 --> 01:01:31,665
But on his finance podcast, he just spent an hour and a half talking about Bitcoin and he kind of sounds like he's getting it.

1013
01:01:32,445 --> 01:01:37,625
So I'm trying to share those to kind of be like a filter a little bit.

1014
01:01:38,165 --> 01:01:39,905
And I mean, and I know I'm biased, right?

1015
01:01:39,905 --> 01:01:43,865
Because I'm going to like what I like and it might not be what other people like.

1016
01:01:44,325 --> 01:01:47,425
But at least I can attempt to do that a little bit.

1017
01:01:49,425 --> 01:01:50,885
Share some of the signal, right?

1018
01:01:51,205 --> 01:01:52,165
Share some of the signal.

1019
01:01:52,465 --> 01:01:54,485
I found some of the signal through the noise.

1020
01:01:54,485 --> 01:01:58,845
Yes, amplify what I think is signal.

1021
01:01:59,005 --> 01:02:03,085
And that's why I've shared both times your episodes.

1022
01:02:03,505 --> 01:02:07,845
I've made sure to share and I've made sure to on Noster and on Twitter

1023
01:02:07,845 --> 01:02:10,585
because I think people should be listening to this one.

1024
01:02:10,905 --> 01:02:16,145
I legitimately think that you guys, by the end of the year,

1025
01:02:16,245 --> 01:02:20,125
you're going to be in that tier with the best of the best.

1026
01:02:20,465 --> 01:02:23,505
You will be recognized that way because you are that good.

1027
01:02:23,505 --> 01:02:26,625
your last episode with the Jersey guys,

1028
01:02:27,745 --> 01:02:28,785
it was unbelievable.

1029
01:02:28,965 --> 01:02:29,905
That's your second episode.

1030
01:02:30,485 --> 01:02:31,365
Like it didn't make sense.

1031
01:02:32,285 --> 01:02:33,565
Like I remember listening to it,

1032
01:02:33,585 --> 01:02:34,725
I was in the bus on the way to work

1033
01:02:34,725 --> 01:02:36,045
and I'm like, how are these guys

1034
01:02:36,045 --> 01:02:36,905
on their second episode?

1035
01:02:38,025 --> 01:02:40,645
It sounded like you guys

1036
01:02:40,645 --> 01:02:41,625
have been doing it for years.

1037
01:02:42,525 --> 01:02:43,465
It was that good.

1038
01:02:44,345 --> 01:02:45,685
And it's super high signal.

1039
01:02:46,125 --> 01:02:48,485
And it was, as a meetup organizer,

1040
01:02:48,485 --> 01:02:50,165
like I was taking notes

1041
01:02:50,165 --> 01:02:53,405
because there were some really good information

1042
01:02:53,405 --> 01:03:00,585
in there uh that's got to get out there like and and and it will like you guys will because

1043
01:03:00,585 --> 01:03:06,165
it's good well that that's the point is like there's not enough cultural cap like there's

1044
01:03:06,165 --> 01:03:10,945
there's all these memes in bitcoin right not your keys not your coins these these kinds of things

1045
01:03:10,945 --> 01:03:18,405
are um little tidbits of cultural information to help people that are new to the culture to bitcoin

1046
01:03:18,405 --> 01:03:21,525
to get off on the right foot and to not make big mistakes.

1047
01:03:21,825 --> 01:03:23,365
We've made big, big mistakes.

1048
01:03:23,505 --> 01:03:24,545
Everyone's made big mistakes.

1049
01:03:24,545 --> 01:03:27,165
And we developed these nuggets of cultural capital

1050
01:03:27,165 --> 01:03:32,205
to help the Bitcoin succeed, new Bitcoiners succeed better.

1051
01:03:32,445 --> 01:03:36,185
But there's not a lot out there about Bitcoin meetups, right?

1052
01:03:36,225 --> 01:03:38,105
So that's why we thought it was incredibly important

1053
01:03:38,105 --> 01:03:41,105
to like help people learn how to start meetups,

1054
01:03:41,305 --> 01:03:44,185
learn the value of the meetups, what you can get out of them.

1055
01:03:44,185 --> 01:03:51,865
and like twitter is is a is a way of of it's it's a location right you develop culture

1056
01:03:51,865 --> 01:03:58,645
so money is a is a border of culture if you go to europe and you have dollars you need to get euros

1057
01:03:58,645 --> 01:04:04,045
in order to buy shit typically right so there is the money that people use as a border of culture

1058
01:04:04,045 --> 01:04:10,645
location is a border of culture right and so with this digital world like we've got these different

1059
01:04:10,645 --> 01:04:17,425
borders of culture. One border could be a group chat. Another border could be Noster. Another

1060
01:04:17,425 --> 01:04:24,025
border could be Twitter, right? But the whole idea is that these nuggets of cultural capital

1061
01:04:24,025 --> 01:04:31,265
need to propagate. And meetups are the best way to propagate cultural capital across your local

1062
01:04:31,265 --> 01:04:37,205
community. In the meet space. Yes. And this was like something that was missing, you know?

1063
01:04:37,205 --> 01:04:40,285
people need to realize the power in this

1064
01:04:40,285 --> 01:04:43,965
you can imagine if there's a meetup in every city

1065
01:04:43,965 --> 01:04:46,285
and the federal government

1066
01:04:46,285 --> 01:04:49,965
or the deep state or whatever decide they don't like Bitcoin

1067
01:04:49,965 --> 01:04:51,445
and they want to try and stamp it out

1068
01:04:51,445 --> 01:04:55,105
well good luck trying to stamp out a thousand different fires

1069
01:04:55,105 --> 01:04:58,125
in every state, in every province, in every place

1070
01:04:58,125 --> 01:05:00,865
all over the world, you can't do it

1071
01:05:00,865 --> 01:05:04,865
because everyone's going to be equipped with all this cultural capital

1072
01:05:04,865 --> 01:05:09,985
and the way to prevent, to harden the system against attack.

1073
01:05:10,625 --> 01:05:15,045
Yeah, especially if we're having these meetups

1074
01:05:15,045 --> 01:05:19,845
and we're incredibly good customers when we go there.

1075
01:05:19,965 --> 01:05:23,085
Like at my meetup, we go to, we switched around a little bit,

1076
01:05:23,145 --> 01:05:25,965
but we've been at the same restaurant now for about 18 months.

1077
01:05:26,745 --> 01:05:33,625
And the waitress fixes her shifts to make sure that she's there for us.

1078
01:05:33,625 --> 01:05:39,265
like we're her favorite customers she's got a wallet of satoshi we tip her in bitcoin

1079
01:05:39,265 --> 01:05:45,425
she loves it like she and and she like and she talks to the other servers about like yeah you

1080
01:05:45,425 --> 01:05:49,665
guys got to get on this too and she's been doing it for a year and a half and she's like stacked

1081
01:05:49,665 --> 01:05:55,445
a quarter million sats just from five ten bucks at a time you know people having a beer having a

1082
01:05:55,445 --> 01:06:00,565
pizza or whatever and her boyfriend she talks about her boyfriend all the time she's like say

1083
01:06:00,565 --> 01:06:02,585
yeah, my boyfriend's into the crypto stuff

1084
01:06:02,585 --> 01:06:04,805
and he's jealous that I'm getting all this Bitcoin

1085
01:06:04,805 --> 01:06:06,865
for serving you guys.

1086
01:06:07,445 --> 01:06:09,785
Well, what Rev just said there

1087
01:06:09,785 --> 01:06:12,145
about the government trying to clamp down

1088
01:06:12,145 --> 01:06:13,585
on the Bitcoin meetups.

1089
01:06:14,185 --> 01:06:15,905
Well, it wouldn't go very well

1090
01:06:15,905 --> 01:06:19,145
if they went to Big Rig and clamped down on us

1091
01:06:19,145 --> 01:06:21,385
because on a Wednesday night,

1092
01:06:21,865 --> 01:06:22,965
we're the best customer.

1093
01:06:23,705 --> 01:06:25,185
Because you know what I mean?

1094
01:06:25,305 --> 01:06:27,805
We tip well, we tip well, we tip in Bitcoin.

1095
01:06:28,325 --> 01:06:29,865
We don't cause any problems.

1096
01:06:30,565 --> 01:06:32,505
We're very nice to the staff.

1097
01:06:33,885 --> 01:06:36,065
If all the Bitcoin meetups do that,

1098
01:06:37,465 --> 01:06:41,665
talk about cultural currency, right?

1099
01:06:41,765 --> 01:06:46,545
You're spreading Bitcoin in a different way.

1100
01:06:48,225 --> 01:06:52,005
You're creating in the minds of people,

1101
01:06:52,145 --> 01:06:55,085
oh yeah, that Bitcoin group, they're super nice guys.

1102
01:06:55,645 --> 01:06:59,485
Maybe when the TV tells me that Bitcoin is for a bunch of criminals,

1103
01:06:59,485 --> 01:07:07,705
like, well, maybe it isn't. So I just want to say, um, I, especially going over your, uh,

1104
01:07:08,145 --> 01:07:15,005
elaborate and, uh, and, and very in-depth, uh, podcast listening career. Um, you know,

1105
01:07:15,025 --> 01:07:20,265
the praise you have for our podcast is, is amazing. Uh, I really appreciate it. And, uh,

1106
01:07:20,985 --> 01:07:25,625
probably this is the best possible segue that we can get, but, uh, why don't we,

1107
01:07:25,625 --> 01:07:39,105
So one of the things that we do, right, is when we get boosts for the show, especially if we get boosts from other Bitcoin meetup organizers who want to announce when their next meetups are or promote their meetup in some way.

1108
01:07:40,065 --> 01:07:42,845
We, you know, we like to make sure we give them some airtime.

1109
01:07:43,045 --> 01:07:47,385
So, Rev, you want to transition and start reading off some of the boosts from the last episode?

1110
01:07:48,485 --> 01:07:52,165
Yeah. And before we get into that, I got it pulled up here on my phone.

1111
01:07:52,165 --> 01:08:01,885
I just, I'm curious, Boomer, what, from this discussion, what do you think was the big takeaway?

1112
01:08:04,065 --> 01:08:07,705
What do you think was the most important thing that people needed to hear from this discussion?

1113
01:08:10,025 --> 01:08:14,565
I mean, with all your podcasts, the social layer is important.

1114
01:08:14,725 --> 01:08:16,405
The meat space is important.

1115
01:08:17,165 --> 01:08:21,965
Like, you have to go out there, like, what you said before,

1116
01:08:22,165 --> 01:08:24,545
right at the beginning of the show about your last meetup,

1117
01:08:24,725 --> 01:08:28,925
how you showed up with four bags of coffee and some tallow and some collagen

1118
01:08:28,925 --> 01:08:30,065
or whatever the hell you bought.

1119
01:08:30,525 --> 01:08:35,645
Like that is so freaking cool that you can go somewhere in meatspace

1120
01:08:35,645 --> 01:08:41,045
and meet Bitcoiners and participate in peer-to-peer exchange.

1121
01:08:41,885 --> 01:08:45,265
And aside from learning from each other and helping each other,

1122
01:08:45,565 --> 01:08:48,905
you're improving each other's lives by buying products

1123
01:08:48,905 --> 01:08:51,405
and paying with the soundest money man has ever created.

1124
01:08:52,165 --> 01:08:58,525
Right. Like that. That's just beautiful. So just keep going. Everybody's got to go to the meetups.

1125
01:08:58,525 --> 01:09:03,905
And one thing we read mentioned it about the conferences. Conferences are too intimidating.

1126
01:09:04,725 --> 01:09:09,485
They're great. I love going. I love going to the Canadian Bitcoin conference. It's amazing.

1127
01:09:10,105 --> 01:09:18,525
But it's a commitment. Right. Showing up to a local meetup on a Thursday night, on a Sunday night.

1128
01:09:18,525 --> 01:09:21,765
it's not a lot of work.

1129
01:09:22,665 --> 01:09:23,305
Just show up.

1130
01:09:26,965 --> 01:09:27,685
Well said.

1131
01:09:28,485 --> 01:09:29,545
All right. Excellent.

1132
01:09:30,505 --> 01:09:31,545
I agree.

1133
01:09:32,205 --> 01:09:33,565
The meetups are super important.

1134
01:09:34,685 --> 01:09:35,765
It's one of those things

1135
01:09:35,765 --> 01:09:37,685
just much like having a Bitcoin miner

1136
01:09:37,685 --> 01:09:38,625
put in front of your face

1137
01:09:38,625 --> 01:09:40,325
until you have the Bitcoin miner right there.

1138
01:09:40,805 --> 01:09:41,925
When you see it, you can feel it.

1139
01:09:42,005 --> 01:09:42,825
You don't really get it.

1140
01:09:43,125 --> 01:09:43,985
You got to experience it.

1141
01:09:44,105 --> 01:09:46,365
Not until you go to the meetup for the first time

1142
01:09:46,365 --> 01:09:47,385
do you really understand

1143
01:09:47,385 --> 01:09:48,825
how powerful this shit can be.

1144
01:09:49,765 --> 01:09:51,965
And so there's a lot of meetups happening

1145
01:09:51,965 --> 01:09:53,645
and we got some boosts

1146
01:09:53,645 --> 01:09:55,105
to let other people know

1147
01:09:55,105 --> 01:09:56,345
that these meetups exist.

1148
01:09:56,485 --> 01:09:58,985
And the first one is from Sean Summers.

1149
01:09:59,645 --> 01:10:01,505
He's got the Niagara Bitcoin meetup.

1150
01:10:02,565 --> 01:10:04,425
He's got a Canadian flag emoji in there,

1151
01:10:04,525 --> 01:10:06,585
so it must be Niagara, Canada.

1152
01:10:07,725 --> 01:10:10,965
And that's the third Wednesday of each month.

1153
01:10:11,425 --> 01:10:13,665
And if you want to find more information about that,

1154
01:10:13,665 --> 01:10:18,505
You can find them at NiagaraBTC on Twitter.

1155
01:10:19,625 --> 01:10:24,385
So third Wednesday of the month, Niagara Bitcoin meetup, NiagaraBTC on Twitter.

1156
01:10:24,665 --> 01:10:26,305
We got an anonymous boost.

1157
01:10:27,185 --> 01:10:32,625
This one is talking about the North Chicago Bitcoin meetup in Long Grove.

1158
01:10:33,185 --> 01:10:39,485
And they actually, so somebody else boosted last month or last episode about this meetup.

1159
01:10:39,745 --> 01:10:42,425
So somebody else is promoting it. It must be a good one.

1160
01:10:42,425 --> 01:10:44,785
North Chicago Bitcoin meetup in Long Grove.

1161
01:10:44,945 --> 01:10:50,705
It's the first Saturday of each month at Joni's Pizza, 1130 a.m. to 2 p.m.

1162
01:10:51,665 --> 01:10:54,765
I'm sure if you look on meetup.com or something,

1163
01:10:54,845 --> 01:10:56,765
you'll be able to find more information about that.

1164
01:10:57,585 --> 01:10:58,405
Lonely Pumpkins.

1165
01:10:58,525 --> 01:11:05,005
This is a business cat, Pennsylvania-related homie.

1166
01:11:06,185 --> 01:11:09,565
So he's digging the pod, and he started a new meetup

1167
01:11:09,565 --> 01:11:12,865
in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania area.

1168
01:11:14,105 --> 01:11:16,265
Bitcoin in the burg is what he's calling it.

1169
01:11:16,645 --> 01:11:17,145
That's my guy.

1170
01:11:17,145 --> 01:11:19,885
Coffee meetups every, you know Lonely Pumpkins?

1171
01:11:20,325 --> 01:11:22,065
Wasn't that Business Cat's?

1172
01:11:23,605 --> 01:11:26,225
Well, Lonely Pumpkins and I think Business Cat

1173
01:11:26,225 --> 01:11:27,925
were related in their,

1174
01:11:28,105 --> 01:11:29,665
I think maybe they started a meetup together.

1175
01:11:29,785 --> 01:11:31,065
I don't know the exact details,

1176
01:11:31,205 --> 01:11:34,065
but I know Lonely Pumpkins and Business Cat,

1177
01:11:34,285 --> 01:11:36,305
they know each other for sure.

1178
01:11:37,565 --> 01:11:39,345
And so Bitcoin in the burg,

1179
01:11:39,565 --> 01:11:42,485
It's a coffee meetup the fourth Sunday of each month.

1180
01:11:43,185 --> 01:11:50,485
And they're putting on a Bitcoin versus crypto educational session on Saturday, March 14th.

1181
01:11:50,485 --> 01:11:53,625
So that's coming up in a few weeks.

1182
01:11:54,105 --> 01:12:01,045
And you can find the details on Noster or Orange Pill app, or I guess it's called Club Orange these days.

1183
01:12:01,845 --> 01:12:04,285
Keep spreading the signal, Lonely Pumpkin says.

1184
01:12:04,365 --> 01:12:05,225
Thank you, Lonely Pumpkins.

1185
01:12:05,705 --> 01:12:08,125
And then to follow that up, we got Business Cat, right?

1186
01:12:08,125 --> 01:12:11,465
So here, you know, these two guys roll together apparently.

1187
01:12:12,105 --> 01:12:21,625
Business Cat has got the Central Pennsylvania Bitcoiners, which meets the third Thursday of each month in Enola for the Bitplubs.

1188
01:12:21,705 --> 01:12:22,745
He's calling it Bitplubs.

1189
01:12:23,685 --> 01:12:27,365
They discuss Bitcoin news and developments from the past months.

1190
01:12:27,945 --> 01:12:33,705
And you can find more information about that meetup on meetup.com or Club Orange.

1191
01:12:33,705 --> 01:12:39,285
and so that's all of the meetups

1192
01:12:39,285 --> 01:12:41,585
and then we've got some other boosts

1193
01:12:41,585 --> 01:12:45,365
Senate Mike BIP 110 says thanks for the info, keep it up

1194
01:12:45,365 --> 01:12:50,365
there's also Satlantis if you're trying to advertise and find events

1195
01:12:50,365 --> 01:12:58,905
and so Satlantis is one of those NOSTER based meetup or event things on NOSTER

1196
01:12:58,905 --> 01:13:03,345
where you can make an event on NOSTER, promote your event

1197
01:13:03,345 --> 01:13:07,405
and then it's interoperable with all the other meetup apps

1198
01:13:07,405 --> 01:13:08,685
or event apps on Noster.

1199
01:13:08,805 --> 01:13:09,465
So it's kind of cool.

1200
01:13:09,785 --> 01:13:12,385
I haven't used Satlantis myself or anything.

1201
01:13:12,605 --> 01:13:14,465
Have you guys messed around with Satlantis?

1202
01:13:15,045 --> 01:13:15,185
No.

1203
01:13:16,645 --> 01:13:17,345
Not yet.

1204
01:13:18,685 --> 01:13:20,305
Well, maybe it's worth checking out.

1205
01:13:20,685 --> 01:13:20,805
Yeah.

1206
01:13:21,725 --> 01:13:23,305
One of the cool things about Satlantis,

1207
01:13:23,985 --> 01:13:26,745
and it sort of makes it worth just trying it out,

1208
01:13:26,965 --> 01:13:29,245
is that if you post your meetup on Satlantis,

1209
01:13:29,245 --> 01:13:33,885
it's going to post on all the Noster Meetup compatible apps.

1210
01:13:34,665 --> 01:13:36,245
And more of them just keep coming out.

1211
01:13:36,525 --> 01:13:41,285
I think we talked about, what's the one that Derek Ross made?

1212
01:13:41,945 --> 01:13:43,485
Plectos or something like that?

1213
01:13:43,725 --> 01:13:44,285
Plectos, yep.

1214
01:13:44,685 --> 01:13:49,185
Yeah, you know, and just especially in this era of the vibe coding stuff,

1215
01:13:49,545 --> 01:13:52,005
you know, people are going to keep coming out with these apps.

1216
01:13:52,425 --> 01:13:56,005
And the coolest thing is that they're all just on the same protocol.

1217
01:13:56,645 --> 01:13:59,805
And so if you post on one, you're going to start showing up in all of them.

1218
01:13:59,985 --> 01:14:02,965
So I think if nothing else, it makes it worth it to just,

1219
01:14:03,105 --> 01:14:04,705
if you just start posting your meetup there,

1220
01:14:04,865 --> 01:14:08,765
then at least you're going to know that you're going to show up in all the Noster apps.

1221
01:14:09,885 --> 01:14:16,605
Yeah, and I do make Noster events for the meetups that I run on Plectos,

1222
01:14:16,645 --> 01:14:18,525
and I know that it shows up on Phloxster.

1223
01:14:18,525 --> 01:14:23,125
Like I said, I haven't tried out Satlantis yet, but I'm sure they'll be there too.

1224
01:14:23,125 --> 01:14:30,065
So anyone looking for meetups, you can try Satlantis to find a meetup on there or promote yours on there.

1225
01:14:30,125 --> 01:14:30,445
Why not?

1226
01:14:31,485 --> 01:14:33,045
We got an anonymous boost.

1227
01:14:34,185 --> 01:14:38,045
Just sharing some love, loving that we're amplifying the meetups.

1228
01:14:38,345 --> 01:14:39,205
Keep up the good work.

1229
01:14:40,265 --> 01:14:45,225
You know, attend your local meetup, and if you don't have one in your area, start one.

1230
01:14:45,325 --> 01:14:47,285
That's the meme here, you know.

1231
01:14:47,685 --> 01:14:51,765
Get out to your local meetup, and if there ain't one, if you can't find one, you got to start one.

1232
01:14:51,765 --> 01:14:55,165
And Shadrach, he's got some love too.

1233
01:14:55,965 --> 01:14:58,185
And Shadrach's got the A to B.

1234
01:14:59,005 --> 01:15:01,325
He's really trying to create this,

1235
01:15:02,745 --> 01:15:05,425
connect the meetups together with his service A to B

1236
01:15:05,425 --> 01:15:08,725
so we can take the beef and the lamb

1237
01:15:08,725 --> 01:15:10,365
and everything that's happening in Michigan

1238
01:15:10,365 --> 01:15:13,205
and move that to Indianapolis and move that to Chicago

1239
01:15:13,205 --> 01:15:17,225
and get these goods and services available to the meetups

1240
01:15:17,225 --> 01:15:20,265
that don't necessarily have the food and the stuff that everyone wants.

1241
01:15:20,265 --> 01:15:23,405
and so Shadrack's doing a great job with that.

1242
01:15:23,525 --> 01:15:24,165
Check out A to B.

1243
01:15:27,125 --> 01:15:29,165
Can't stop to pant

1244
01:15:29,165 --> 01:15:31,765
and he said he's interested in starting a meetup

1245
01:15:31,765 --> 01:15:33,905
so get going.

1246
01:15:34,925 --> 01:15:35,865
Can't stop to pant.

1247
01:15:36,085 --> 01:15:38,645
When you go to a meetup, let us know

1248
01:15:38,645 --> 01:15:40,165
and let us know how it went.

1249
01:15:41,045 --> 01:15:45,085
Wartime, once again, he boosted last week

1250
01:15:45,085 --> 01:15:46,785
or the last recording

1251
01:15:46,785 --> 01:15:51,765
And he's a big noster and meetup proponent.

1252
01:15:51,945 --> 01:15:53,685
So he's loving it as well.

1253
01:15:54,285 --> 01:15:57,185
And then finally, to finish it out, Boomer, you boosted.

1254
01:15:57,865 --> 01:15:58,505
Thank you, Boomer.

1255
01:15:59,225 --> 01:16:00,785
He says, another great rip, gents.

1256
01:16:01,405 --> 01:16:04,185
This fills a very important gap in the Bitcoin podcast space.

1257
01:16:04,305 --> 01:16:07,805
Already contender for 2026 Bitcoin podcast of the year.

1258
01:16:07,865 --> 01:16:10,405
I'll take that and I'll live up to it.

1259
01:16:10,425 --> 01:16:11,425
I'll try my best, Boomer.

1260
01:16:14,865 --> 01:16:15,605
All right.

1261
01:16:15,605 --> 01:16:18,385
So I think we're about getting ready to wrap here.

1262
01:16:18,665 --> 01:16:24,145
But I guess, Boomer, Corey, I want you to kind of give you a little bit of the last word.

1263
01:16:24,825 --> 01:16:29,725
You want to tell us where people can find you on the Internet if they're looking for you.

1264
01:16:30,145 --> 01:16:35,345
But more importantly, you know, about your next meetup and where they can find you at your next meetup.

1265
01:16:35,785 --> 01:16:39,905
Yeah, I guess meetup.com is where we're getting the most success with the people.

1266
01:16:40,025 --> 01:16:42,785
I got 500 people in my meetup.com group.

1267
01:16:42,785 --> 01:16:48,005
like we don't we don't have 500 people that show up at the meetups but like for whatever reason the

1268
01:16:48,005 --> 01:16:53,705
meetup the meetup.com group has really picked up traction for us so uh that's the easiest place to

1269
01:16:53,705 --> 01:17:00,485
do it also on the orange pill app club orange it's on there as well too um capital bitcoiners

1270
01:17:00,485 --> 01:17:07,705
on twitter is also uh you know we are on twitter as well uh i can be found on twitter on nostr

1271
01:17:07,705 --> 01:17:10,525
anywhere where the bugle is posting

1272
01:17:10,525 --> 01:17:12,685
you can probably find me I'm in the comments

1273
01:17:12,685 --> 01:17:13,925
wherever the bugle is at but

1274
01:17:13,925 --> 01:17:16,085
the ruler is broken is where I'm at

1275
01:17:16,085 --> 01:17:17,185
on Twitter

1276
01:17:17,185 --> 01:17:20,445
and guys you know thank you so much

1277
01:17:20,445 --> 01:17:22,185
for not just having me on

1278
01:17:22,185 --> 01:17:24,285
but for starting this

1279
01:17:24,285 --> 01:17:25,665
because like I said in that boost

1280
01:17:25,665 --> 01:17:28,705
this is important stuff that you guys are doing here

1281
01:17:28,705 --> 01:17:30,665
you guys are already pros

1282
01:17:30,665 --> 01:17:32,645
and I'm just

1283
01:17:32,645 --> 01:17:34,185
super excited to see

1284
01:17:34,185 --> 01:17:36,345
what you guys are going to be

1285
01:17:36,345 --> 01:17:37,185
in a year

1286
01:17:37,185 --> 01:17:40,805
and it's an honor to be on the third or the fourth episode

1287
01:17:40,805 --> 01:17:43,105
wherever this is going to end, wherever this comes out.

1288
01:17:44,105 --> 01:17:47,605
I'll be able to say I was one of the early guests on this show

1289
01:17:47,605 --> 01:17:52,565
when you guys are at the top of the PodConf ratings,

1290
01:17:52,565 --> 01:17:57,845
when you guys are all popular and shit at Bitcoin Las Vegas

1291
01:17:57,845 --> 01:17:59,865
and you guys are big whales and popular,

1292
01:17:59,985 --> 01:18:02,025
I can say, yeah, I was on one of their early shows.

1293
01:18:02,745 --> 01:18:03,265
So thank you.

1294
01:18:05,025 --> 01:18:07,065
Yeah, well, thank you again for coming on.

1295
01:18:07,185 --> 01:18:09,965
And again, I'm telling you, man, high praise.

1296
01:18:10,365 --> 01:18:10,845
High praise.

1297
01:18:10,985 --> 01:18:13,465
I know Rev and I, we really appreciate it.

1298
01:18:13,625 --> 01:18:18,705
And like Rev was saying before, you know, we will do our best to try to live up to it.

1299
01:18:19,025 --> 01:18:25,265
And hey, I mean, if it means that, you know, a couple, even just a couple new meetups get started, I'll take that.

1300
01:18:25,405 --> 01:18:27,065
Well, it sounds like one already did, right?

1301
01:18:27,265 --> 01:18:28,885
In that comment, didn't one guy?

1302
01:18:29,145 --> 01:18:31,465
It sounds like you got one guy motivated to do that.

1303
01:18:31,465 --> 01:18:35,765
Think about the butterfly effect, that one thing that you could have done.

1304
01:18:35,765 --> 01:18:45,885
Like that one guy now starts a meetup and somebody shows up at that meetup that was shit coining and he's going to go to this meetup.

1305
01:18:45,945 --> 01:18:49,085
He's going to meet this guy and now he's not going to shit coin anymore.

1306
01:18:50,085 --> 01:18:51,145
Save his family.

1307
01:18:51,545 --> 01:18:52,105
Save his legacy.

1308
01:18:53,005 --> 01:19:01,885
And then who knows how many other people they onboard to Bitcoin and maybe they start a Bitcoin podcast or a Bitcoin meetup or a Bitcoin company or whatever.

1309
01:19:02,065 --> 01:19:02,245
Right.

1310
01:19:03,465 --> 01:19:04,305
It's beautiful.

1311
01:19:04,305 --> 01:19:05,465
It's absolutely beautiful.

1312
01:19:05,765 --> 01:19:32,445
Well, yeah, man. And we all know that you can't actually save any time. You can save your Bitcoin, but you can't save time. You're always spending time. And tonight you spent your time with us and you showcased all the work that you're doing for Bitcoin. You're passionate about it. You're running two meetups a month and you're doing everything else, promoting the good podcast, keeping the cultural capital flowing.

1313
01:19:32,445 --> 01:19:36,145
and keep up that good work too, dude.

1314
01:19:36,545 --> 01:19:38,405
We're all doing something important here

1315
01:19:38,405 --> 01:19:40,005
and this is the whole point.

1316
01:19:40,105 --> 01:19:40,905
This is the DIY.

1317
01:19:41,305 --> 01:19:42,085
This is the underground.

1318
01:19:42,425 --> 01:19:44,565
This is the shit that everyone needs to hear.

1319
01:19:44,925 --> 01:19:47,385
We're not fucking talking about buying hardware wallets

1320
01:19:47,385 --> 01:19:48,565
or putting any ads out there.

1321
01:19:48,565 --> 01:19:51,085
We just want people to know that Bitcoin

1322
01:19:51,085 --> 01:19:52,825
is going to help your life improve

1323
01:19:52,825 --> 01:19:55,805
and participating deeper in the culture

1324
01:19:55,805 --> 01:19:59,065
is going to be beneficial to you and everybody else

1325
01:19:59,065 --> 01:20:02,905
and you're doing a great job of being an advocate for that.

1326
01:20:02,985 --> 01:20:03,585
So keep it up.

1327
01:20:04,145 --> 01:20:07,165
We all got a role to play and just find your role

1328
01:20:07,165 --> 01:20:08,685
and keep trying.

1329
01:20:10,505 --> 01:20:12,585
All right, guys, let's wrap it here.

1330
01:20:13,305 --> 01:20:14,705
We'll catch you guys later.

1331
01:20:15,185 --> 01:20:15,885
Thanks for coming on.

1332
01:20:16,265 --> 01:20:16,725
Thanks, guys.

1333
01:20:20,625 --> 01:20:21,505
Episode complete.

1334
01:20:21,965 --> 01:20:24,085
If you run a Bitcoin meetup and want to talk about it here,

1335
01:20:24,385 --> 01:20:24,765
reach out.

1336
01:20:25,265 --> 01:20:27,005
Check the show notes for contact info,

1337
01:20:27,005 --> 01:20:32,645
link to meetup organizer resources on github and more send us a boost of any size and advertise

1338
01:20:32,645 --> 01:20:38,045
your next meetup we'll read it out in the next episode and remember attend your local meetup or

1339
01:20:38,045 --> 01:20:42,025
start your own local bitcoiners are always just one meetup away