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Hello, everybody. My name is Daniel Prince, and I'm the host of the Once Bitten podcast.

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This is a podcast focused on Bitcoin. It's my mission to interview as many people as I can

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around the different aspects of Bitcoin and help people understand exactly what Bitcoin could mean

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for them and for their families and for their future. I hope you enjoy the show. Thank you so

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much for listening. Hello everybody and welcome to this episode of the Once Bitten podcast.

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Joining me on today's show is SatsScholar is the name he goes by on Twitter and you can get over

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there and follow him straight away or X whatever you want to call it. I'm sure there are still many

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Twitter maxis out there that have not yet switched to calling it X but there you go.

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It's at SatsScholar.

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And well, you'll find out the reason why we connected and what we had to talk about here.

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But I do love doing these shows whereby you get exposed to perhaps people you've never heard of in the Bitcoin space.

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They're not that well known just from their tweets, maybe not even following them.

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So get over and follow and reach out and keep connecting.

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That's all we can do, especially after this year of craziness in Bitcoin.

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Keep connecting, keep learning, keep educating others as best you can.

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Stay humble, stack sat, self-custody your Bitcoin.

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That has to be the mantra.

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We have to assume that the people coming behind us don't know that yet.

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And we have to keep banging the table with that.

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It's the most important thing people can do is just get their Bitcoin and get control of their Bitcoin.

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Take control.

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Get your private keys.

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The best way to do that is head over to bitbox.swiss forward slash bitten.

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Get yourself a hardware device.

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You can use the code bitten.

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5% discount on the Bitbox O2 or the Bitbox Nova.

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Bitcoin only edition of the Bitbox.

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And yes, put that straight on top of your Christmas list.

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in case someone's going to run out and get you a late gift,

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or make it your New Year's resolution to self-custody your Bitcoin.

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You can set up dollar-cost averaging,

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which again, over time, is playing out to be the best strategy.

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You can get over to Relai, R-E-L-A-I.ch forward slash bits,

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and download the app today.

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In fact, the last episode is with the co-founder of Relai

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and the current CEO, that's Julian Linegar.

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so you can go back and listen to that and yeah you can download the app and the wallet is built

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in you're going to get your word so you have a loodial title learn that word a loodial title

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a-l-l-o-d-i-a-l and you own the bitcoin or to be more specific you are the only one that would

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ever be able to move that bitcoin again so keep the education ticking over as you move into 2026

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you can stack with different companies but you know depending because relay serve europe they're

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across europe so if you're not listening from that jurisdiction then find out who is the bitcoin only

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exchange or a bitcoin only app where you can start stacking your sats uh do it in the most

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private way you possibly can obviously peer-to-peer is the best way to do that and you can find your

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local bitcoiners that's easy now that's solved club orange used to be orange pill app pivoted

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the name to Club Orange almost 20,000 users active users daily that you can connect with

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the best thing to do is just hit the link in the show notes set yourself up an account

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buy a year's membership try it out for a year yes we have to support the builders here in Bitcoin

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and yes it is a paid app because if it was free then you would be the product

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there are no ads there is no tracking you can sign up with a burner email

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and you can start connecting with Bitcoiners

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and you can even load a NIM account.

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It doesn't have to be your account.

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It doesn't have to be your picture.

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However you want to work this, right?

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I'm happy to just join it as myself.

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So if you join Orange Pill App, hit me up in the DMs.

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You can play around with the wallet.

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You can GeoZap people.

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It's got a great feature now where you can do calls.

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So if you DM each other and you just want to grab hold of each other quickly, sort out a meetup, you can do a face call.

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You can do just a normal call.

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And you can zap each other on the face call as well, which is, you know, why not?

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You can just build things.

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So Club Orange, get over to it.

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If you want to start accepting Bitcoin for your goods and services, paywithflash.com have got you.

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That is also solved.

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Get over there.

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Support the guys.

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Use the tech.

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Play around with it.

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Give them feedback.

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and start invoicing, sending invoices out in Bitcoin to the people that you are interacting

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with. And that's a great way for you to start educating your clients about Bitcoin.

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What's left to say? Not much other than I wish everybody here a Merry Christmas at time of drop.

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We're getting very close. So, you know, enjoy some time with your family. I hope you have a great

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break, go into the new year. Like I said, full guns blazing, set up your dollar cost average if

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you haven't already, and please take control of your Bitcoin. You are the only one that should

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have the keys to that Bitcoin. With all that said, I hope you enjoy this episode with Sats Scholar.

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All right, we are recording. Sats Scholar, nice to meet you.

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Definitely nice to meet you, Daniel. How are you?

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Very well, thank you.

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Very well.

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Looking forward to this one.

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Lauren has just walked in to ask you the first question.

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So I will let her lead off.

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Hi.

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So I have a bit of a classic question today,

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but what is your favorite thing about Bitcoin?

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Ooh, that's a great question.

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My favorite thing about Bitcoin is the decentralized nature.

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to be completely clear. The fact that it's kind of everywhere and nowhere all at once, right? That

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it's this thing that you can kind of touch, right? If you have your hardware wallet, but you kind of

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can't. It's somewhere in Thailand. It's somewhere in Japan. It's somewhere in the United States.

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It's somewhere in the UK. It's all these places, but yet it's kind of nowhere at the same time.

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And how that is part of its strength, right? How that makes it so robust, that decentralized nature.

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that's absolutely my favorite part.

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And hopefully that will be its strength

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for many, many hundreds of years to come.

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Was that one of the main epiphany drops for you

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when you were on your rabbit hole journey?

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a little bit more decentralized.

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Like I would like to see more nodes

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and more miners. But just when I first saw the first map of the miner distribution network,

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I was just like, oh, okay, it's like that. Like, you know, it's something where, you know,

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I can't just, you know, attack this. I can't just, you know, do something here that affects it over

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there. I just can't do that. And then, you know, going down that decentralized nature of how people

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treat these nodes, which wound up to how I treat the nodes as well, right? About like storing

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in ferretty cages, hard drives with the blockchains up to certain block heights. You know,

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there's really, once I realized that, I was like, there's just no way to really kill this. I mean,

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you would have to have some sort of global catastrophic event in order to stop this.

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As long as society continues on its general trajectory, this will continue. So yeah,

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that was a major, it was a major epiphany. I put it up there in the top five.

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All right. Excellent. Lauren, any follow-up questions?

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I wasn't prepared for this.

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He literally walked in and was like, Lauren, we have a podcast.

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I'm like, ah!

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I don't think so. If you want to ask me a question, then you can.

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But if not, then that's good.

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Well, I want to throw that same question back to you.

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What was one of your big aha moments?

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What do you think is its biggest strength?

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Its biggest strength, I think, is the connection between people and how people are so just willing to help other people understand things about Bitcoin.

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And I feel like that's a very important thing because Bitcoin cannot grow without the people.

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Yeah, that's a great one. It really does bring out that, you know, ingrained altruistic nature of humans.

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I would have to agree with you.

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and that's a 14 year old picking up on that that's awesome that's awesome my daughter just turned 10

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um and i'm i'm completely bringing her down the rabbit hole with me i've been teaching her

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about hard money and everything so great job dad well it wasn't me it was no it no they ignored me

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fully ignore you like we listened but we didn't at the same time if you get what i mean so the

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great unlock the great unlock actually for for the rest of the family was to be around other

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bitcoiners was to take them to the meetups to take them to the conferences uh so all of a sudden

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it was real like it wasn't just me talking about some esoteric shit at dinner

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there was all of a sudden other kids out there there were other women out there other wives

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long wives uh there were other uh you know crazy men that would all sit around at these conferences uh but but the best thing is everybody would just be open and like lauren sat down to

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have an hour and a half conversation with 43 year old men at a conference about the deepest

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about the deepest most esoteric stuff uh you know and she includes these people as her friends now

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like roger 9000 is a perfect example uh yeah yeah the conversations you can get into

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and canute obviously we've got close with canute and his family um yeah you find yourself i love it

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i i'm at an event and i look across the room and one of the kids is in like this really deep

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conversation with another grown adult you know oh wow like you can't undo that yeah but now that's

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Now we go to like conferences.

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I'm like, oh, I know that person.

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So then you get like stops every like 10 minutes, which is lovely.

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But you get stopped every 10 minutes, like saying hi.

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And it's, yeah, it's really nice.

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That's kind of a similar story with what happened to my mother.

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You know, we own a family business here and we work together a lot.

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And I just have like usually a Bitcoin podcast playing in the background.

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So I never actually orange-pilled her.

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Just her just absorbing the information in the background.

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She orange-filled herself.

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And I started bringing her to the local meetups here.

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And it was just a similar thing.

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And so now she's a Bitcoiner.

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My stepfather is mining Bitcoin.

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I've got my daughter.

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It's amazing how it just kind of like seeps into people.

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Once that little bug is in, they're just like, oh.

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And then they can't get enough of it.

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It's a classic story.

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I was going to say planting the seed.

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so anyone listening get your get your wives girlfriends kids mothers aunties uncles whoever

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it is get them to the next meetup or a conference somehow but like obviously like don't force them

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that much because if you force too much then they want to resent it's it's like yeah but you can make

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a road trip of it you know a nice here in europe it's great you know hey who wants to come to prague

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for the weekend they're like yeah yeah sounds great so you mix in a little bit of family time

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oh and by the way we got this two-day conference thing going on so

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that's awesome yeah all right well thank you lauren yeah thank you for having me and thank

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you for answering my question yeah no problem all right thank you bye bye all right sat scholar um

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As we were saying just before we hit record, we kind of connected a few months back when the kind of not core debate.

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It was heating up then. It's gone, you know, nuclear now since the new proposal and everything else.

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But way back in the day when. It was much more meme warfare back in those days.

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and a lot of the memes were humorous, let's say,

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rather than purely toxic.

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that have now been wielded, which is really kind of sad to see.

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And I just gravitated towards some of the stuff

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that you were putting out there

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because you've kind of taken this stance

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that rather than kind of enter into the dunking ring,

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I'm going to do my best to put out threads

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that I believe are educational

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and people are going to get a lot from

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and be able to make more of an informed decision

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on which side of the fence they sit

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just by using the facts.

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And I really like that approach.

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Thank you.

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So I just wonder now, how active had you been up until that point of like this debate kind of starting to creep in and divide?

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Active like in the Nats crowd or just in Bitcoin in general?

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Just in Bitcoin in general, like the Twittersphere.

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And because like, you know, we all follow so many different people.

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I don't think I'd seen your account until that point.

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So I just wonder, you know, did something draw you in to make you more active?

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Were you lurking before?

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Were you busy ship posting and we were just kind of like two ships passing in a night?

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Well, I'll be honest.

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I started the account, mostly I was kind of pushed to do it.

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You know, I found, you know, because of the Orange Pill app, I found my first local meetup.

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And there's some pretty, you know, there's some developers that go to this meetup.

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And then there's some OGs that go there.

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and I'm not like, I'm not super technical,

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but I'm not un-technical, if that makes sense.

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And I would talk to the developers a lot

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and they would keep telling me like,

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you know, you should have a presence online.

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And so I made one and I was just starting off

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just, you know, posting Bitcoin facts,

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little bits about the history,

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kind of, you know, snippets of how, you know,

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Merkle trees work and things like that, right?

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Little educational things.

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I wasn't trying to be like a full-on educational individual,

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at least not at first.

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you know i i don't think i could rise up to the standards of say like you know um btc sessions

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or somebody like that um but i wanted to hit like different different things that people weren't quite

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talking about um and then um then everything kind of started getting crazy with um the op-term wars

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and i started speaking up like that and my account kind of blew up after that um and i was just trying

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to point out like from from and again it's all just my opinions whether i'm right or wrong whether

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people agree or not just from my opinion and my viewpoint what what was more of like a cypherpunk

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take on how these things were really working and what some of the the truth and and not lies but

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like just inaccuracies were and i like i said i put it in a couple threads they gained a ton of

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traction and um and then i kind of just you know i kind of started stepping back a little bit i i

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pushed a lot of people to run knots in the beginning um and then i put out enough information

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for people to just kind of choose, right?

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Like at the end of the day,

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the right to run whatever software you want to run

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is your right,

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whether it's Nots or Core or an older version

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or even Libitcoin,

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a separate implementation altogether, right?

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Or heck, compile your own from scratch and run it, right?

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As long as it's consensus valid.

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So my goal too is just to get more nodes out there.

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Like we were talking in the beginning of the conversation,

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And you look at the node map, look at like Central and Southern Africa, there's almost no nodes, right?

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Same thing for South America.

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So, you know, we have work to do as Bitcoiners who are trying to push this to get more people to run nodes and get the network more robust.

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And then a lot of this comes down to whether or not what we're seeing is like a governance issue, right?

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because if this is a thousand-year asset and a thousand-year chain,

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what does a thousand-year governance model look like?

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I'm not exactly sure, but I'm leaning towards

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acts and acts on GitHub is really not accurate.

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How do people in, let's say, Thailand or the Congo,

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how do they advocate for what they want to see on the chain?

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What gives a group of people living in New York City

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the right to dictate policy and consensus to a global asset?

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I'm not sure what the answer is,

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But I think what we're seeing right now is the first shakeups and the first pushbacks of what could be possibly a new governance system emerging.

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It's a weird time.

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You know, I empathize with newbies here, like class of 24 and 25 have walked into like a real shitstorm of stuff, not just with the upsized wars.

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and you know i have empathy here because i sat through the block size wars like had no

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fucking idea what was going on like no clue like but what these guys i was just literally lurking

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on twitter thinking who on earth am i supposed to be following on this one uh didn't understand

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any of the uh like the the acronyms or the parlance that was being used and everything

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was changing so quickly and then the battles got really very vicious uh yeah even worse than this

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oh yeah you know and if you're if you're a new bitcoiner uh if you've been around if you've not

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been through a cycle even uh you've got this going on um you might not even be running a node and

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And this could be like the word node could be new language to you.

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So you've got this going on.

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You've got the Bitcoin treasury companies springing up out of left field, all over the place, all over different countries with different strategies and different reasons.

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And, you know, that kind of harkens back to those around you compare it to the ICO craze, because then you had a new ICO every single day.

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Like, okay, what's this doing?

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And if you hadn't found that conviction, if you didn't know Bitcoin was the thing and you hadn't read, when did Parker publish Bitcoin, not blockchain?

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Because that was one of those clicking pieces of the puzzle for me.

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It's a worrying time because so many people are new and so many people don't know exactly what's going on.

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So having those threads that you were putting out there, I think, well, I hope a lot of like the newer people managed to kind of at least plug in that little bit of knowledge to help them gain the conviction that they're on the right path.

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And, you know, Bitcoin, we're going to have these arguments.

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In the end, it won't die because of this.

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Right.

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But yeah you know so well done Thank you is the message here Where do you think we headed now I kind of taken my eye off the ball a little bit

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We've been doing a bit of traveling.

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And to be honest, it was getting really exhausting.

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And here's another thing, right?

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A lot of it does go over your head, even if you've been in the space a long time.

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There's certain elements and technical arguments that you just can't engage with.

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uh and because like you don't have that that knowledge but and this is what the other side

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of the debate would say so you got one one side saying you guys aren't technical enough to

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understand we shouldn't bow to that because i think the the the answer there is oh should we

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just trust you bro which we all know isn't the correct right right yeah so it becomes like a

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almost a mission of teaching, right?

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Even from the other side,

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like that's something that, you know,

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I think core needs to figure out a lot of is,

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you know, they're saying, you know,

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you guys aren't technical enough

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or you guys just don't understand this.

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This is how we're going to do it.

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Well, then teach it.

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Like lay it all out piece by piece and explain it.

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And then if you do and people don't get it,

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just don't just say, well, you don't understand.

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No, explain it differently, right?

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Like different words for different people. People absorb information in different means.

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So you have to approach, you know, each student in a particular method. Right.

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You know, blanket ways of teaching don't work. So, you know, if you have a communication issue core, you know, think about that, work on that, figure it out.

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Now, they tried with that letter. Right. Which completely backfired on them.

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and that's, you know, neither here nor there.

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But the answer then is not to go silent and push, right?

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The answer then is to put out another letter,

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keep talking, keep the conversation moving,

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lay out all the pros and cons and put it all forward.

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And, you know, and not to mention there is other pros as well

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for having, you know, a second or even third or client.

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And then to your question of like, where are we right now?

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I did back out a little bit as well from the fight because I was exhausted.

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As I said, I own a small business and work just got overwhelming.

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And, you know, I got to focus on what feeds me, right?

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And, you know, I kind of backed out of a lot of the fight.

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And, you know, but I'm still looking at it.

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I'm still in a lot of DMs.

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And I think where we're going now is we're going to see, you know,

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a lot of other competing implementations.

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I know Samson Mal was working on one.

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When that's going to be out, I'm not sure.

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I know of another one that's being worked on.

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You know, blood has been drawn, so to speak, on core.

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And that's, you know, for better or worse, right?

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Because it's done.

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It's done now.

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So now, you know, the community has to move forward and figure that out.

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You know, what does that mean now?

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What does a network that, you know, previously never had multiple implementations now has

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multiple implementations?

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What does that look like?

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And what does that mean?

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What does that mean for ossification?

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What does it mean for soft forks?

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What does that mean for, you know, hard forks now?

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you know uh here's a con for multiple implementations let's say the quantum threat

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um is real and comes up tomorrow and we got to go with the bit let's say it's bit 360 right we

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gotta we gotta push that out it's got to be here now well now you have to not only coordinate core

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but knots and any potential third and third or fourth implementation so it makes emergency updates

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difficult um so you know pros and cons right so where are you where are we right now well

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they've got um it's technically it's you know community wise named bit 444 they're working on

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that uh i believe it's gone through its second rewrite and uh i think the maintainers are looking

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at it um there's of course a lot of pushback on that which you know that's to be expected

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and we're gonna have to see how that plays out and you know whether or not that gets uh any kind

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attraction i'm not sure to be honest with you um i think if it gets a little bit of traction in the

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pools um prisoner's dilemma might kick in and it might it might go through uh but whether or not

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it gets minor support is uh that's to be decided yeah and these things can take years um absolutely

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which is by design that's a feature not a bug

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mm-hmm i just wonder how how clear that is for some people because some of these bips have been

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around like for years and are still reiterated upon oh yeah um oh yeah there's there's a lot

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even controversial bips um like uh the drive change bips uh three uh three three hundred and

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301 i think are the numbers um that's been around for jeez i don't even know seven eight years now

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it's been rewritten, you know, BIPs can stay for a long time. And, you know, this type of software

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can stay as a BIP for a very long time. And again, yeah, that's a feature. And people, I would say to

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this that, you know, people who are worried and concerned, you know, that's okay. It's okay to be

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worried and concerned. I would say try not to be, right? Because these features of the decentralized

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network that we spoke about earlier, these are its strengths, right? You don't want this system

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to be able to have, you know, quick updates. You don't want it to be able to have even automatic

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updates or things that happen quickly, unless, of course, the entire community agrees overnight,

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like let's say the quantum threat, right? You want these things to move slowly with precision and

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thought and nuance um you want large discussions to go around it and and perhaps that was part of

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the problem with lifting the opera turn like maybe it didn't go through the length of discussion

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that the community wanted and uh and and now now here we are is this the result of moving something

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too fast you know possibly and actually it's just dawned on me are we are we guilty ourselves of uh

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not not explaining what BIP stands for for those people that are listening and might wonder

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we are yes look at and see you get caught up right you get caught up um BIP uh Bitcoin

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improvement um proposal uh that's what that's what BIP stands for and then they get numbered

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uh uh I forget who numbers them but um there's the maintainers number them accordingly with how

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they're released and they go through this you know kind of like a check and balance where

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they go through the mailing list and they get talked about uh about you know how the technicals

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and things like that and you know they often get rewritten multiple times um and it's all just part

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of the process and it's part of the process that we want and we want to maintain yeah 100 percent

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uh i'm i'm just trying to find out how many open bips there are at the moment um i wouldn't know

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would you have any question i don't know that might be i'm just being told notable notable

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open bips uh three two four focuses on encrypted peer-to-peer communication four four four is uh

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the latest one proposes a soft fork to limit non-financial data in transactions and bip one

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one eight so we're going all the way back to one eighteen uh lays the groundwork for future layer

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to flexibility so like you know this is how long these things can linger these ideas

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yeah they can linger a long time and again like like all of that is part of that governance model

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that i was talking about right like that's that that purposely done slow thing um because sometimes

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you know if somebody comes up with a bip right and maybe they're a little forward thinking right

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in how this BIP works.

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Like, for example, the encrypted communications, right?

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Maybe there's just no need for that right now.

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So, you know, they create the BIP,

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whoever that person was, they put it out there,

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it gets numbered, it gets discussed, right?

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And then if and when the need arises,

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we have it and we can merge the code.

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So all of that is another reason

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why you want these things to just kind of

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be able to be put out there in the ether, so to speak,

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where people can learn about them, read about them, and make decisions on them.

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So you said you've got a small business in fiat land.

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I'm always interested in people's journey to finding Bitcoin.

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What was life looking like for you pre-Bitcoin?

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So pre-Bitcoin, I got into Bitcoin.

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I first learned about Bitcoin in, it was around 2015 at a Freedom to Connect conference is when I first learned about it.

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But I didn't really, you know, know what it was at that point.

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So I didn't start like buying Bitcoin until sometime in 2016, 2017.

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That's when I started buying it.

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And again, I wasn't buying whole coin.

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I was buying a dollar, two dollars.

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but I was into hard money and you know financial systems since I was a child I was I was um I

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inherited my grandfather's silver collection when I was very young uh and it wasn't much it was you

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know a very small safe's worth you know a couple hundred dollars worth of silver but it was all

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American silver coins and you know I was able to you know track in my hands what what they were

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right you can see the debasement of the currency you can hold it you can actually physically hold

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the debasement of the currency in your hands. So I started learning about that very early on.

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And so my path was almost like fatalistic in a way. And when I started combining my knowledge of,

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you know, the government and, you know, my anti-government stances as, you know,

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like a libertarian and my understandings of, you know, the fiat system from when I was a child,

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that kind of clicked in

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like again late 2016

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early 2017

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when there was no like one thing right it was just like it was kind of like death by a thousand cuts if that makes sense it was just like a little bit a little bit a little bit a little bit and and then finally one day I was like this is it like like this this is it there there is nothing else

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this solves all the problems and I'm not sure if that answered your question because my journey was

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just so it was so fragmented on on the way there right it was not a a single point but prior to

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that I was um I didn't we didn't own the small business yet I was uh working in fiat land um

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I was actually uh working in aviation at the time and uh so I I I learned to see you know a lot of

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the the technical and what I did in the aviation was was pretty technical stuff right you know it

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It was all with the computer flight systems and things like that.

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And so taking that knowledge into the Bitcoin land was also just like a no-brainer.

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It all just kind of flowed for me.

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And then the small business grew out of, again, my libertarian ethos.

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Full disclosure, I don't work well for others.

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I often think that I can do the job better than the way my boss wants the job done.

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And one day I put my money where my mouth was. I started a small business with my mother and now it's been 12 years.

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So that's that's not aviation related anymore. No, it is not. I completely left the aviation field.

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Wow. So now running a small business, you must see like the importance.

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So and this is, you know, like I said earlier, we've got all of these Bitcoin treasury companies being announced.

436
00:32:50,238 --> 00:32:57,078
And I want people to understand the difference that I define, like what a pure Bitcoin treasury play company is,

437
00:32:57,078 --> 00:32:59,878
is a company that's just mining the fiat debt markets

438
00:32:59,878 --> 00:33:01,738
with financial engineering wizardry

439
00:33:01,738 --> 00:33:04,858
that is actually rather feeding the beast

440
00:33:04,858 --> 00:33:07,818
rather than starving it as they try and convince you.

441
00:33:08,138 --> 00:33:10,478
Because by engaging with it,

442
00:33:10,598 --> 00:33:13,418
you are vis-a-vis feeding it and making it stronger,

443
00:33:13,418 --> 00:33:17,418
almost validating the fiat system rather than draining it.

444
00:33:18,578 --> 00:33:22,918
Whereas if you're a small family business

445
00:33:22,918 --> 00:33:32,798
putting monthly profits from fiat into Bitcoin is starving the beast. That is the only way that

446
00:33:32,798 --> 00:33:38,818
you and your family will have that business still around in 15 to 25 years time. Because by design,

447
00:33:38,818 --> 00:33:46,318
the system, whether you get regulated out of business through different policy changes,

448
00:33:46,538 --> 00:33:52,078
whether you get monopolized out of business because the bigger fish just come along and

449
00:33:52,078 --> 00:33:57,038
gobble you all up because you're not able to protect yourselves because you you can't

450
00:33:58,138 --> 00:34:05,338
you can't you know uh your your purchasing power is devalued over time uh you you don't have the

451
00:34:05,338 --> 00:34:10,578
best access to the talent that you need because they're getting hired by yeah that the big guys

452
00:34:10,578 --> 00:34:17,258
out there that can well not only that you you're competing with uh in your case the u.s government

453
00:34:17,258 --> 00:34:20,718
for labor with the minimum wage requirements.

454
00:34:20,718 --> 00:34:23,538
So people get to sit at home for X amount,

455
00:34:23,798 --> 00:34:25,758
you know, rather than actually get out to work.

456
00:34:25,939 --> 00:34:27,118
It's a nightmare.

457
00:34:27,578 --> 00:34:29,998
And the only way you can protect yourself against that

458
00:34:29,998 --> 00:34:32,758
is by using monthly profits to buy Bitcoin

459
00:34:32,758 --> 00:34:35,058
to put on your family balance sheet,

460
00:34:35,078 --> 00:34:37,998
which makes you a Bitcoin treasury company in a sense.

461
00:34:39,298 --> 00:34:40,878
I couldn't agree more with everything you just said.

462
00:34:42,258 --> 00:34:43,898
Jeff Booth speaks about that a lot.

463
00:34:44,038 --> 00:34:46,118
You know, how anything you do

464
00:34:46,118 --> 00:34:50,658
where you participate in the old system just continues to strengthen it and and limp and have

465
00:34:50,658 --> 00:34:55,338
itself you know limp along you know when in reality we should be opting out of that system

466
00:34:55,338 --> 00:35:01,058
and that is what i do you know i i purchase bitcoin i have daily not daily buys but i have

467
00:35:01,058 --> 00:35:06,978
weekly buys i have monthly buys and anytime we get like a large job and there's a good chunk of

468
00:35:06,978 --> 00:35:15,158
profit left over uh if i don't have any um you know uh outstanding credit from that job um i just

469
00:35:15,158 --> 00:35:22,018
buy Bitcoin with it. And that's all I do. I don't mess around. I don't own any stocks. I don't own,

470
00:35:22,198 --> 00:35:27,959
you know, I don't have a 401k. I don't have a savings account. I just have Bitcoin. And I refuse.

471
00:35:27,959 --> 00:35:35,858
I refuse to take part in a system that I know is crumbling, a system that I know cannot sustain

472
00:35:35,858 --> 00:35:42,439
itself, right? You know, a system that's, you know, valuing itself in something that is continuously

473
00:35:42,439 --> 00:35:50,618
losing value. It's, you know, it's like people talk about this all the time,

474
00:35:50,698 --> 00:35:55,439
trying to build a house with a tape measure that constantly changes the measurements on it. You

475
00:35:55,439 --> 00:35:59,138
can't. It's impossible. And that's what the fiat system and that's what they're doing.

476
00:35:59,419 --> 00:36:05,638
So I completely agree with you. And that, you know, small businesses are so important to economies

477
00:36:05,638 --> 00:36:11,778
with how they operate. You know, I've been proud of what we've done. We've had full-time employees

478
00:36:11,778 --> 00:36:13,038
that have had benefits, right?

479
00:36:13,538 --> 00:36:18,558
So these people, they lived off of the income

480
00:36:18,558 --> 00:36:20,258
that my business generated, right?

481
00:36:20,298 --> 00:36:21,578
They paid their mortgage.

482
00:36:21,758 --> 00:36:22,778
They bought food.

483
00:36:22,959 --> 00:36:25,198
They went on vacations with my benefits.

484
00:36:25,398 --> 00:36:27,439
Like my company did that.

485
00:36:27,598 --> 00:36:28,538
And I'm not a big company.

486
00:36:28,758 --> 00:36:29,838
We're pretty small.

487
00:36:30,439 --> 00:36:32,758
And I'm proud to say that I've been able to do that

488
00:36:32,758 --> 00:36:34,678
for people and provide that for people.

489
00:36:34,678 --> 00:36:42,218
and, you know, keep not giving into the systems that exist,

490
00:36:42,338 --> 00:36:46,598
not giving into that system that steals wealth from individuals.

491
00:36:46,798 --> 00:36:48,838
I hate it. I can't stand it.

492
00:36:48,919 --> 00:36:50,919
I think it's just evil. That's what I do.

493
00:36:50,998 --> 00:36:52,439
I actually think it's evil.

494
00:36:53,698 --> 00:36:56,318
Yeah. So do I.

495
00:36:58,498 --> 00:37:00,138
People, you know, people will say,

496
00:37:00,138 --> 00:37:03,638
oh, well, you know, the path to hell is paved with good intentions

497
00:37:03,638 --> 00:37:07,618
and it's just one misaligned incentive after another

498
00:37:07,618 --> 00:37:09,178
and there's no great evil plan

499
00:37:09,178 --> 00:37:11,198
and there are no overlords and whatever else.

500
00:37:11,358 --> 00:37:13,398
I'm like, no, Paul Wahlberg knew what he was doing.

501
00:37:14,098 --> 00:37:16,578
He knew exactly what he was doing

502
00:37:16,578 --> 00:37:19,598
when he set this thing up in a secret meeting

503
00:37:19,598 --> 00:37:21,419
with six other guys.

504
00:37:22,518 --> 00:37:23,538
They knew what they,

505
00:37:24,138 --> 00:37:26,818
they 100% knew what they were trying to achieve.

506
00:37:27,618 --> 00:37:29,439
Oh yeah, these are not stupid people.

507
00:37:29,598 --> 00:37:30,198
I mean, that's another,

508
00:37:30,818 --> 00:37:32,598
a lot of people don't give enough credence

509
00:37:32,598 --> 00:37:34,278
and respect to those individuals, right?

510
00:37:34,558 --> 00:37:37,419
Like these are not stupid people that run these systems.

511
00:37:37,638 --> 00:37:38,878
They're highly intelligent.

512
00:37:39,318 --> 00:37:40,358
They know what they're doing.

513
00:37:40,538 --> 00:37:41,738
They understand the game.

514
00:37:41,818 --> 00:37:42,998
They understand the consequences.

515
00:37:43,419 --> 00:37:47,419
And they're very adept in providing, you know,

516
00:37:47,459 --> 00:37:49,419
solutions that benefit themselves and their friends.

517
00:37:49,678 --> 00:37:51,278
That's an absolute fact.

518
00:37:51,338 --> 00:37:52,658
To think that, you know, well, you know,

519
00:37:52,658 --> 00:37:54,698
we're just going to, you know, ascribe it to incompetence.

520
00:37:54,898 --> 00:37:56,018
I don't think so.

521
00:37:56,118 --> 00:37:57,598
I've never bought that and I never will.

522
00:37:58,818 --> 00:37:59,818
No, 100%.

523
00:37:59,818 --> 00:38:05,618
And I think we got to get back more to that line of thinking.

524
00:38:05,959 --> 00:38:10,738
I think we're losing that because people have been bedazzled

525
00:38:10,738 --> 00:38:16,818
by the corporate treasury structures that have proliferated

526
00:38:17,398 --> 00:38:18,998
over the last year or so.

527
00:38:19,878 --> 00:38:26,598
And I think we need deeper thought over this, dare I say,

528
00:38:26,598 --> 00:38:33,618
critical thinking or conspiratorial thoughts and get back to basics look at how this was how this

529
00:38:33,618 --> 00:38:39,538
whole system was fundamentally but what were the foundations of this whole system go back to that

530
00:38:39,538 --> 00:38:48,618
and yeah yeah it's thievery murder coercion uh like it's it's all of those things uh population

531
00:38:48,618 --> 00:38:56,378
control eugenics uh societal control um through the mechanism of controlling people with

532
00:38:56,378 --> 00:39:05,838
monetary policy because like you say these these people are so damn good at doing and they they

533
00:39:05,838 --> 00:39:11,618
they unfortunately have a very very low time preference you know that they'll have an idea

534
00:39:11,618 --> 00:39:18,818
10 to 15 years in advance and then start laying the plans and the narratives uh and and the

535
00:39:18,818 --> 00:39:25,398
policies to to be able to execute on those ideas when time comes and get the people the right people

536
00:39:25,398 --> 00:39:32,318
in place to help them execute that uh absolutely absolutely and you know it's a tale as old as time

537
00:39:32,318 --> 00:39:36,598
right i mean if you look back at all these you know whether they're you know full-on civilizations

538
00:39:36,598 --> 00:39:42,858
or countries it's the same playbook over and over again right it's it's not like this is new either

539
00:39:42,858 --> 00:39:48,498
you know uh it goes all the way back to rome some some people argue even back to like the ancient

540
00:39:48,498 --> 00:39:54,038
egypt you know like how did their systems work we don't have as much details but you know we do know

541
00:39:54,038 --> 00:40:00,439
Rome, you know, they debased their currencies and they did that very strategically in ways to,

542
00:40:00,618 --> 00:40:06,538
you know, keep funding their troops to keep the wars on and expand their empires. It's the same

543
00:40:06,538 --> 00:40:13,618
playbook over and over and over again. Yeah, I mean, the Bank of England was formed by the

544
00:40:13,618 --> 00:40:20,058
Dutch royal family who managed to usurp the then sitting king, get their own king involved and in

545
00:40:20,058 --> 00:40:26,858
power, William of Orange, to set up the Bank of England in order to then create the narrative on

546
00:40:26,858 --> 00:40:35,378
why they needed to go back to war with France. So it was a gold acquiring vehicle. The Bank of

547
00:40:35,378 --> 00:40:40,598
England was set up to do that, to issue loads of credit and whatever else, divide and conquer,

548
00:40:41,138 --> 00:40:46,538
just to grab the gold. And when you look at what's happening today with the amount of

549
00:40:46,538 --> 00:40:54,618
different ways now that are available for um those in power to to grab or to attract bitcoin

550
00:40:54,618 --> 00:41:01,198
or to attract fiat to be able to uh you know accrue bitcoin with that and whether that's

551
00:41:01,198 --> 00:41:05,878
an etf i think there are 11 over there in the states uh there's there's a smattering there's

552
00:41:05,878 --> 00:41:12,459
handfuls over here in the europe in europe um that's directly targeted at uh player pension

553
00:41:12,459 --> 00:41:19,338
money, basically. Bitcoin is pension money, like specifically trapped Bitcoin pension money,

554
00:41:19,558 --> 00:41:26,058
because retail don't care. Like grandpa who's sitting there with a diversified portfolio,

555
00:41:26,618 --> 00:41:32,318
you know, X amount bonds, X amount stocks, isn't pivoting to a Bitcoin fucking penny stock

556
00:41:32,318 --> 00:41:38,698
anytime soon. These are the stories we're told that all of this trapped capital and the bond market

557
00:41:38,698 --> 00:41:39,919
and whatever else.

558
00:41:39,944 --> 00:41:43,084
is going to come and it's just a matter of time.

559
00:41:46,544 --> 00:41:49,464
And then we have the loaning products

560
00:41:49,464 --> 00:41:52,044
that are being spun up as well

561
00:41:52,044 --> 00:41:57,644
that is attracting Bitcoin into honeypots

562
00:41:57,644 --> 00:41:58,624
from what I can tell.

563
00:41:58,644 --> 00:41:58,964
Oh, yes.

564
00:41:59,944 --> 00:42:02,204
And we already had a problem already with lava.

565
00:42:03,644 --> 00:42:04,164
Yeah.

566
00:42:05,044 --> 00:42:06,864
Again, it's a tale as old as time.

567
00:42:07,024 --> 00:42:08,964
I mean, you know, the Bitcoin honeypots,

568
00:42:08,964 --> 00:42:15,684
that goes all the way back to um mount cox right so it's a people people don't learn i mean and

569
00:42:15,684 --> 00:42:22,844
that's part of what i'm trying to do well i i as much as i can i guess is that that bit of education

570
00:42:22,844 --> 00:42:26,984
to try to get that out there right you know uh to understand like hey listen you know like

571
00:42:26,984 --> 00:42:34,304
there are options you know understand your risks here you know people people get caught up you know

572
00:42:34,304 --> 00:42:39,184
They call it the fiat mind virus, and it sure does wiggle into people's brains.

573
00:42:39,504 --> 00:42:46,944
And you might have all this Bitcoin, but then when you hear you can get a 4% loan and you've got, let's say, 10 Bitcoin, that's a lot of cash.

574
00:42:47,704 --> 00:42:51,444
And that's hard for some people to say no to.

575
00:42:51,664 --> 00:42:55,404
And then what happens? The system blows up. Something blows up, and it's just inevitable.

576
00:42:57,404 --> 00:43:01,384
I have to do better at educating about that if that's what I'm here to do.

577
00:43:01,384 --> 00:43:04,044
and all of us need to do better about that

578
00:43:04,044 --> 00:43:05,224
is try to tell people,

579
00:43:05,504 --> 00:43:06,984
get them to understand like,

580
00:43:07,384 --> 00:43:10,464
hey, the issues that we've had

581
00:43:10,464 --> 00:43:11,944
for hundreds of years,

582
00:43:12,964 --> 00:43:15,384
you're just adding to those issues.

583
00:43:16,124 --> 00:43:17,324
We want to stop those issues.

584
00:43:17,444 --> 00:43:19,704
We want to actually move towards a better world.

585
00:43:19,844 --> 00:43:21,144
We want to actually build

586
00:43:21,144 --> 00:43:23,304
a better world for our children.

587
00:43:24,024 --> 00:43:25,424
I don't want my daughter

588
00:43:25,424 --> 00:43:27,384
to have to go through

589
00:43:27,384 --> 00:43:29,764
back-to-back financial crises again.

590
00:43:29,764 --> 00:43:33,024
I don't want endless wars in the Middle East again.

591
00:43:33,324 --> 00:43:36,404
I want these things to actually come to an end.

592
00:43:36,824 --> 00:43:39,504
And I think Bitcoin is the solution to that.

593
00:43:39,964 --> 00:43:41,444
But it's a tool.

594
00:43:41,804 --> 00:43:46,924
And whether or not we use that tool or use it appropriately, it's still up in the air.

595
00:43:48,564 --> 00:43:52,884
So why were you naturally drawn towards the educational side of things?

596
00:43:53,024 --> 00:43:56,944
Was this something that you've ever taught before?

597
00:43:59,764 --> 00:44:05,404
I've taught martial arts a long time ago.

598
00:44:05,904 --> 00:44:06,704
There's that.

599
00:44:09,024 --> 00:44:12,064
But I don't know.

600
00:44:12,164 --> 00:44:13,244
I'm not sure if I can answer that.

601
00:44:14,124 --> 00:44:16,524
I've seemed to have answered questions for people.

602
00:44:16,964 --> 00:44:19,884
And people are just like, you know, you should talk more about this.

603
00:44:20,284 --> 00:44:25,024
And I'm much better with writing than I am with my spoken words.

604
00:44:25,844 --> 00:44:28,504
You know, when I write something down, I can read it back to myself

605
00:44:28,504 --> 00:44:35,104
and I can edit it. And people just gravitate towards that. And, you know, and it's not that

606
00:44:35,104 --> 00:44:41,584
I think I'm right with a lot of this stuff, right? I'm parsing what I think are right opinions. And

607
00:44:41,584 --> 00:44:48,924
then I'm parsing those together and putting them together for people. And I just, I just feel like

608
00:44:48,924 --> 00:44:53,284
it's something I need to do. I can't really explain it. Honestly, I can't really explain it.

609
00:44:53,344 --> 00:44:58,484
I just feel like I need to be out there, you know, shouting from the mountaintop, like, hey,

610
00:44:58,504 --> 00:45:05,444
listen, look at this, you know, um, cause if I don't, who does that's, it's, it's kind of hard

611
00:45:05,444 --> 00:45:09,464
for me to explain a calling. Maybe. I don't know. That's a, that's a great question, man. I don't

612
00:45:09,464 --> 00:45:16,244
know if I can answer it properly. Um, wow. Uh, yeah, it's just, there's just this, this, this

613
00:45:16,244 --> 00:45:24,904
urge in me to try to get these words out there and, you know, have people, you know, understand

614
00:45:24,904 --> 00:45:32,144
that the problems that they think they're seeing are not really those problems, right?

615
00:45:32,144 --> 00:45:34,184
That there's layers and there's things.

616
00:45:34,344 --> 00:45:36,904
I just had a conversation this morning actually about all this.

617
00:45:36,904 --> 00:45:42,164
And they were trying to blame, you know, political parties, this one or that one for spending

618
00:45:42,164 --> 00:45:42,884
and things like that.

619
00:45:43,324 --> 00:45:47,184
And I was trying to explain to them, like, that's not really what's happening, right?

620
00:45:47,224 --> 00:45:54,484
Like, the debt-based system requires the spending, you know, because I think we've just been

621
00:45:54,484 --> 00:45:59,464
lied to our whole lives, right? We've just been lied to about how all these systems really work.

622
00:45:59,544 --> 00:46:03,604
And again, going back to those people who are very intelligent, they know the truth. And that's why

623
00:46:03,604 --> 00:46:07,604
the system works so well for them. And why does it not work for other people? Because they're lying

624
00:46:07,604 --> 00:46:13,664
to us. Like they're lying. Because if they told you the truth, you would use the system to your

625
00:46:13,664 --> 00:46:20,344
advantage as well. And then that would disadvantage them. Like it's just, it's game theory. So I don't

626
00:46:20,344 --> 00:46:25,164
know if that answers your question that was a great question man um and and it's just yeah it's

627
00:46:25,164 --> 00:46:32,044
maybe it's destiny i have no idea it's a great question it's something that you know i've had a

628
00:46:32,044 --> 00:46:37,564
conversation with many authors about like nobody are you thinking about doing a book actually the

629
00:46:37,564 --> 00:46:43,344
next question i've been thinking about writing articles i've been thinking about um i have

630
00:46:43,344 --> 00:46:50,224
thought about doing like um not a book book but like a thesis um um like maybe turn it into a book

631
00:46:50,224 --> 00:46:57,064
uh but i have been really thinking about doing um articles about um deflationary um systems like

632
00:46:57,064 --> 00:47:03,544
people keep talking what you know why is the um system actually deflationary like what's actually

633
00:47:03,544 --> 00:47:09,524
happening right and there's i keep i keep posing this question you know what's it cost to flip a

634
00:47:09,524 --> 00:47:15,644
bit, right? Like at the end of the day, that's the final cost value for Bitcoin, right? Is when

635
00:47:15,644 --> 00:47:21,164
you're flipping these bits and there's, there's actual limits to like the, the wattage that goes

636
00:47:21,164 --> 00:47:26,684
into that, that, that, that has to happen. And when you break all these things down, like that's

637
00:47:26,684 --> 00:47:31,604
your finality of value, right? You know, so it's like, well, what's, what's, you know, when I send

638
00:47:31,604 --> 00:47:36,404
a thousand Bitcoin over there, you know, what's that value? What's the cost to flip a bit, right?

639
00:47:36,404 --> 00:47:39,684
And that goes down to all things digital, spitting up an AI.

640
00:47:39,964 --> 00:47:41,624
Why are altcoins garbage?

641
00:47:42,264 --> 00:47:43,584
Because what's it cost to flip a bit?

642
00:47:43,724 --> 00:47:46,164
It's almost nothing and it's going to continue to go to nothing.

643
00:47:46,684 --> 00:47:49,144
And then moving towards post-scarcity, right?

644
00:47:49,164 --> 00:47:53,104
I think Bitcoin is the only thing that can move us towards post-scarcity.

645
00:47:53,264 --> 00:47:55,424
That's the thesis that I want to write.

646
00:47:56,884 --> 00:47:59,124
And breaking it all down into steps.

647
00:48:00,244 --> 00:48:03,024
And now, there's no guarantee that we get to post-scarcity.

648
00:48:03,024 --> 00:48:07,024
We could totally move towards a cyberpunk dystopia.

649
00:48:07,024 --> 00:48:11,024
But we don't get post-scarcity without Bitcoin.

650
00:48:11,024 --> 00:48:13,024
You just don't.

651
00:48:13,024 --> 00:48:14,024
It's just not possible.

652
00:48:14,024 --> 00:48:27,149
So I have been thinking about expanding my writing at least to articles and theses maybe to books Books are you know with my business books are a lot and they take a lot of time and effort And I not sure I have the ability to do that

653
00:48:27,409 --> 00:48:30,309
But I would like to expand into articles.

654
00:48:31,189 --> 00:48:32,229
Articles would be great.

655
00:48:32,229 --> 00:48:37,969
You know, we have – there are obviously some great writers in the space,

656
00:48:38,049 --> 00:48:38,789
but never enough.

657
00:48:39,509 --> 00:48:42,949
And I don't know – I mean, it's different for everybody.

658
00:48:42,949 --> 00:48:48,849
you read a certain article at a certain time this is why i've been doing these uh like well i i meant

659
00:48:48,849 --> 00:48:54,389
to do daily posts but it turned out like that was not gonna happen so i'm just doing a post whenever

660
00:48:54,389 --> 00:49:03,829
i can as often as i can like the uh the i member posts uh and i'm just um referencing those articles

661
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:08,969
or those podcasts or those youtube videos or whatever it is whatever the content that helped

662
00:49:08,969 --> 00:49:15,149
me along my way and unlock me in my own certain way and content that people one have either

663
00:49:15,149 --> 00:49:20,869
forgotten about maybe they saw at the same time as i did or two have just not been exposed to

664
00:49:20,869 --> 00:49:28,249
because there was a load of like the proliferation of of the written word really started around

665
00:49:28,249 --> 00:49:35,509
2018 to 2021 2022 obviously the lock uh the lockdowns helped uh the back end of that that

666
00:49:35,509 --> 00:49:37,269
range of time there.

667
00:49:37,709 --> 00:49:39,489
But it really started exploding.

668
00:49:39,729 --> 00:49:42,049
And I'd love to see that happen again.

669
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:44,169
We need more articles.

670
00:49:44,329 --> 00:49:44,949
Yeah, for sure.

671
00:49:45,189 --> 00:49:46,449
So do it.

672
00:49:46,669 --> 00:49:47,689
It would be so cool.

673
00:49:48,149 --> 00:49:48,689
I'm going to try.

674
00:49:48,869 --> 00:49:49,969
And then I'm going to...

675
00:49:49,969 --> 00:49:51,689
I don't want to get paid for it either.

676
00:49:51,989 --> 00:49:54,069
I know a lot of people, they want to write articles and get money.

677
00:49:54,669 --> 00:49:55,529
I have business.

678
00:49:55,689 --> 00:49:56,269
It makes money.

679
00:49:56,569 --> 00:49:57,409
I have Bitcoin.

680
00:49:57,549 --> 00:49:58,149
I buy Bitcoin.

681
00:49:58,649 --> 00:50:00,729
I don't need to make money off of any of this.

682
00:50:00,729 --> 00:50:04,689
And that's another reason why I wanted to stay.

683
00:50:05,509 --> 00:50:11,209
pseudo anonymous because people would then well i'll pay for this or i'll do this nope you can't

684
00:50:11,209 --> 00:50:16,469
because you can't pay me if i if i don't give you my name you can't pay me right like i can give you

685
00:50:16,469 --> 00:50:20,509
a bitcoin address i guess and you could put put funds into that and that's fine because nobody

686
00:50:20,509 --> 00:50:27,749
knows that but um i would just do it for free like i just i don't i mean i i i don't i'm not

687
00:50:27,749 --> 00:50:32,849
on twitter to get monetized you know um if i ever make a nice youtube channel like i'm i'm not gonna

688
00:50:32,849 --> 00:50:37,769
get sponsors. I don't, I think that again, like that's almost like Fiat games, right? Like you're,

689
00:50:37,769 --> 00:50:46,529
you're, if my goal is to make money by getting words out there, then the money can

690
00:50:46,529 --> 00:50:52,389
affect that goal. If that makes sense. I don't, I don't want to do that. I want,

691
00:50:52,769 --> 00:50:58,589
I want my words to stay as, as pure to what they're supposed to be as possible. So I'm going

692
00:50:58,589 --> 00:51:04,709
to try i want to reach out to a couple of magazines um or or you know if i have to if i have to pay to

693
00:51:04,709 --> 00:51:13,749
up my um twitter to do the articles on twitter uh maybe i'll do that or start a blog um uh something

694
00:51:13,749 --> 00:51:18,069
something like that because i i don't know how to that was the other problem with the book that i

695
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:24,049
was thinking about um i don't know how to publish the book under a pseudonym you know because they're

696
00:51:24,049 --> 00:51:28,709
going to want to pay me which like i would i don't i don't care to get paid like so i don't i don't

697
00:51:28,709 --> 00:51:34,969
know how to do that unless i just self-publish and and just mail it out myself and just i don't

698
00:51:34,969 --> 00:51:38,709
know have like staples bind it or something like that i could do something like that yeah um but

699
00:51:38,709 --> 00:51:45,589
that might limit the audience but that's okay you know that's okay if it limits it um well i got one

700
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:52,209
for you it's solved you'll be happy to know uh and i've got a uh an interview with simon coming

701
00:51:52,209 --> 00:52:00,989
about it um it's called fanfares.io and it's a place where writers can go and publish their work

702
00:52:00,989 --> 00:52:04,689
over there obviously you could just do threads on Noster and people can zap you that's great

703
00:52:04,689 --> 00:52:10,689
no problem at all um but with fanfares which is Noster native as well uh you can actually just put

704
00:52:10,689 --> 00:52:16,009
the the articles up there for for purchase if people like you know the first page or so and

705
00:52:16,009 --> 00:52:21,629
then they can value for value send you some uh some sats to unlock the rest of the article

706
00:52:21,629 --> 00:52:28,509
uh simon's even done his own book he's written a book and he he did the audio so he can upload

707
00:52:28,509 --> 00:52:35,509
audio to that as well uh oh my god friend of uh a friend of ours um aj she's been inspired to

708
00:52:35,509 --> 00:52:41,349
write poetry and she didn't want to self-publish she didn't want to go down the the fiat route and

709
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:45,269
didn't want to do a substack or medium or anything like that was just going to put it out on nostr

710
00:52:45,269 --> 00:52:50,729
and hope some zaps came in but yeah she's going to go and even read that out on fanfares.io

711
00:52:50,729 --> 00:52:59,709
so that's um look no one's going to get showered with sats like that you know yeah the the idea

712
00:52:59,709 --> 00:53:07,289
that you can become rich by writing a book and creating a bestseller and that's all fiat stuff

713
00:53:07,289 --> 00:53:13,669
all of the bestsellers all of the bestsellers are pushed at you because absolutely because that

714
00:53:13,669 --> 00:53:21,829
novel or whatever it is well it fit the agenda or absolutely or it was um commissioned to be

715
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:27,309
written and uh fit the yeah and people gonna be well no that's not in the case with jk rowling

716
00:53:27,309 --> 00:53:34,329
it's like yeah go down that rabbit hole uh listen you look at all the great like some of the most

717
00:53:34,329 --> 00:53:40,009
greatest things that were ever written right they were was beowulf written for profit did did

718
00:53:40,009 --> 00:53:45,889
Socrates write his writings for profit? No, no. People felt they needed to put this information

719
00:53:45,889 --> 00:53:51,669
to the world. And then because the world valued the information, the information stood the test

720
00:53:51,669 --> 00:53:58,029
of time, right? Like that's what it's about, right? And that's that freedom of creativity.

721
00:53:58,609 --> 00:54:02,909
And when something is truly a work of art, you know, whether it's written word or not,

722
00:54:03,469 --> 00:54:08,809
it stands the test of time. And the, you know, fiat, you know, and not to say that a good work

723
00:54:08,809 --> 00:54:11,289
or it can't appear in the fiat world, it can.

724
00:54:12,609 --> 00:54:14,709
But like you're saying, the fiat world,

725
00:54:14,709 --> 00:54:19,949
it intentionally almost mystifies,

726
00:54:20,069 --> 00:54:23,429
it intentionally clouds what's really out there.

727
00:54:23,569 --> 00:54:25,489
I mean, go through a Barnes & Noble

728
00:54:25,489 --> 00:54:29,549
and look at all just the slop that's in there

729
00:54:29,549 --> 00:54:31,889
and try to find a gem.

730
00:54:32,009 --> 00:54:33,169
It's not easy anymore.

731
00:54:33,469 --> 00:54:34,389
It's not easy.

732
00:54:35,389 --> 00:54:36,029
No, it's not.

733
00:54:36,169 --> 00:54:38,349
It's just all pulp fiction.

734
00:54:38,809 --> 00:54:39,809
Yep.

735
00:54:39,809 --> 00:54:43,489
And it's really difficult to walk through those bookstores.

736
00:54:43,489 --> 00:54:47,509
Even when you go and look up at the, I love going into bookstores, asking the lady at the

737
00:54:47,509 --> 00:54:49,689
front desk, do you have any books about Bitcoin?

738
00:54:49,689 --> 00:54:52,809
Could you just search the word Bitcoin in your database for me?

739
00:54:52,809 --> 00:55:06,793
And like it either a flat no or it some crypto book and you like oh God we still so early This is just so bad Yeah I looking at this fanfare

740
00:55:06,913 --> 00:55:07,793
This is awesome, man.

741
00:55:07,893 --> 00:55:09,353
I'm going to have to check this out.

742
00:55:09,773 --> 00:55:13,133
And this is, see, like these type of things,

743
00:55:13,213 --> 00:55:16,133
like these decentralized things, this is the future.

744
00:55:16,933 --> 00:55:18,333
This is absolutely the future.

745
00:55:20,693 --> 00:55:24,713
That is, I mean, you know, people argue that,

746
00:55:24,713 --> 00:55:27,493
rightfully I would say

747
00:55:27,493 --> 00:55:29,653
that NOSTA is what the internet

748
00:55:29,653 --> 00:55:30,513
was supposed to be

749
00:55:30,513 --> 00:55:33,793
oh yeah for sure

750
00:55:33,793 --> 00:55:35,993
absolutely

751
00:55:35,993 --> 00:55:36,533
for sure

752
00:55:36,533 --> 00:55:39,873
the ability to just kind of

753
00:55:39,873 --> 00:55:41,633
create

754
00:55:41,633 --> 00:55:42,513
I don't know if you remember

755
00:55:42,513 --> 00:55:44,653
the old

756
00:55:44,653 --> 00:55:47,853
Usenet groups from back in the day

757
00:55:47,853 --> 00:55:49,613
NOSTA very much

758
00:55:49,613 --> 00:55:50,513
reminds me of those

759
00:55:50,513 --> 00:55:54,693
right well I hope that helps

760
00:55:54,693 --> 00:56:00,313
And I hope that inspires you and it gives you a platform to get something written and get it out there.

761
00:56:00,673 --> 00:56:06,853
It's interesting that you mentioned Orange Pill App at the beginning of the show here.

762
00:56:06,913 --> 00:56:16,053
I think maybe during your response to Lauren, just gone through the rebrand to Club Orange, which is a fun story.

763
00:56:16,173 --> 00:56:18,493
I sit on the advisory board there.

764
00:56:18,553 --> 00:56:23,693
Mateo started Club Orange three years ago, actually, almost to the day.

765
00:56:23,693 --> 00:56:31,833
and uh he reached out to a handful of people uh just to he he just wanted some people like

766
00:56:31,833 --> 00:56:37,613
as a sounding board like when i have these crazy ideas i need to check with you guys just to make

767
00:56:37,613 --> 00:56:43,173
sure it's not completely and utterly nuts and uh we would just meet on a zoom call once a month

768
00:56:43,173 --> 00:56:47,653
and uh you know this is all unpaid work you know it's just hanging out with bitcoiners

769
00:56:47,653 --> 00:56:52,993
and uh i'm pointing out some things that might be fun some things that would fail and whatever else

770
00:56:52,993 --> 00:56:56,113
So it's been a great journey along with him on that.

771
00:56:56,613 --> 00:57:00,493
But did that unlock you then with the local event?

772
00:57:01,533 --> 00:57:05,793
That's always nice to hear that there are some success stories out there.

773
00:57:06,473 --> 00:57:07,193
It did.

774
00:57:07,633 --> 00:57:14,433
I wouldn't even be on this podcast with you right now if it wasn't for Orange Pill or Club Orange.

775
00:57:15,193 --> 00:57:16,033
Absolutely, I wouldn't.

776
00:57:16,033 --> 00:57:21,693
Because at that point, I don't remember what year it was.

777
00:57:21,693 --> 00:57:25,793
It might have been 2020 or 2021, but I was completely orange pill, right?

778
00:57:25,833 --> 00:57:28,753
I was completely down the rabbit hole, obsessed.

779
00:57:28,753 --> 00:57:34,533
You know, I had my, you know, my nodes up and running, my hardware wallets, my seed signers.

780
00:57:34,653 --> 00:57:36,193
I mean, you name it, I had it going.

781
00:57:36,773 --> 00:57:39,653
And none of my friends were Bitcoiners.

782
00:57:39,933 --> 00:57:41,393
And I tried, I tried, I tried.

783
00:57:41,593 --> 00:57:42,553
They just didn't have it.

784
00:57:42,573 --> 00:57:46,353
I had one buddy who was buying it, but like he wasn't a Bitcoiner.

785
00:57:46,733 --> 00:57:49,633
And I was just like, I got to find some Bitcoiners.

786
00:57:49,633 --> 00:57:53,433
Like I need people that speak my language around me.

787
00:57:53,954 --> 00:57:59,113
And I don't remember how I found at the time the Orange Pill app.

788
00:57:59,193 --> 00:58:00,954
I can't remember how, but I found it.

789
00:58:01,954 --> 00:58:04,253
And, you know, I downloaded it, installed it.

790
00:58:04,454 --> 00:58:06,173
And sure enough, there was a local meetup.

791
00:58:06,893 --> 00:58:08,913
It was just, you know, two cities away from me.

792
00:58:09,773 --> 00:58:14,313
And, you know, I go there and it's a decently sized meetup.

793
00:58:14,353 --> 00:58:16,233
There's usually like five to ten people there.

794
00:58:16,313 --> 00:58:18,293
But I go there and there was only one person there.

795
00:58:18,293 --> 00:58:20,393
but it didn't matter right

796
00:58:20,393 --> 00:58:23,033
because you know that happened to be

797
00:58:23,033 --> 00:58:25,013
you know one of the Bitcoin developers that I know

798
00:58:25,013 --> 00:58:25,933
and

799
00:58:25,933 --> 00:58:28,913
him and I just hit it off

800
00:58:28,913 --> 00:58:30,153
we hit it off and

801
00:58:30,153 --> 00:58:33,033
you know and now I go to the meetup

802
00:58:33,033 --> 00:58:35,113
I go to the meetup constantly so I would

803
00:58:35,113 --> 00:58:37,013
not the Sat

804
00:58:37,013 --> 00:58:38,233
Scholar would not exist

805
00:58:38,233 --> 00:58:41,113
if the Orange Pill app wasn't real and I wouldn't

806
00:58:41,113 --> 00:58:42,733
have found these people that

807
00:58:42,733 --> 00:58:44,673
I consider them friends now

808
00:58:44,673 --> 00:58:47,193
one of them is he's become a good friend and I'm

809
00:58:47,193 --> 00:58:55,773
setting up Bitcoin miners in his house. I set up his node for him. We hang out. He's become a very

810
00:58:55,773 --> 00:59:01,213
good friend of mine. And it's all because of that. It's all because of the community that I was able

811
00:59:01,213 --> 00:59:06,734
to find because of the Orange Pill app. So none of this would have even ever been possible or ever

812
00:59:06,734 --> 00:59:12,653
have happened if this didn't exist. So I'm extremely grateful for it. That's so cool to hear.

813
00:59:12,653 --> 00:59:16,833
And like that, that was the whole premise of that's why he founded the company.

814
00:59:16,933 --> 00:59:19,133
I won't, you know, take words out of Matteo's mouth.

815
00:59:19,353 --> 00:59:21,113
People can go and listen to his story.

816
00:59:21,633 --> 00:59:26,213
But basically, yeah, a lonely dude sitting there, you know,

817
00:59:26,273 --> 00:59:29,333
wife wouldn't listen or entertain the conversation.

818
00:59:30,653 --> 00:59:32,633
Existing friends kind of like, you know,

819
00:59:33,173 --> 00:59:37,153
Homer Simpson backing into the bush when you turn up at the pub sort of thing.

820
00:59:37,153 --> 00:59:39,953
Like, you know, you want to hear about some Bitcoin stuff?

821
00:59:40,093 --> 00:59:41,753
Like, no. Oh God, he's back.

822
00:59:41,753 --> 00:59:53,373
uh so and taking like your your newfound online friends into in real life space uh it is yeah it

823
00:59:53,373 --> 00:59:59,113
it's changed our lives as well um and again you know testament to so the tools that have been built

824
00:59:59,113 --> 01:00:03,833
and to the people that run the meetups whoever you are around the world that's another thing

825
01:00:03,833 --> 01:00:09,613
people can do just lean in just run a meetup just like just start a meetup and and see who's out

826
01:00:09,613 --> 01:00:16,553
there because this is how these ideas spread um yeah it's uh well it's awesome that's that's great

827
01:00:16,553 --> 01:00:22,994
to hear and by the way i think two people have met on orange pill app and and married and that's

828
01:00:22,994 --> 01:00:32,093
awesome even there's even an orange pill app baby which is just uh you know so great so that is great

829
01:00:32,093 --> 01:00:39,213
that two bitcoiners out there found each other fell in love of building a family uh yeah and um

830
01:00:39,213 --> 01:00:47,013
you know uh want to kind of lean towards leaving on a positive note rather than um all this the

831
01:00:47,013 --> 01:00:53,373
screaming and yelling that's going on on the on the socials on the unsocials yeah right so i'm

832
01:00:53,373 --> 01:01:01,734
gonna end it with the usual question okay if you had one orange pill left to give to somebody who

833
01:01:01,734 --> 01:01:03,153
would you give it to and why?

834
01:01:05,433 --> 01:01:05,793
Hmm.

835
01:01:07,693 --> 01:01:08,713
Anybody in the world?

836
01:01:09,573 --> 01:01:10,933
Yeah, man. Anyone. Okay.

837
01:01:11,273 --> 01:01:11,673
Oh.

838
01:01:13,113 --> 01:01:13,553
Oh.

839
01:01:14,813 --> 01:01:15,693
Oh, that's a

840
01:01:15,693 --> 01:01:16,333
that's a

841
01:01:16,333 --> 01:01:18,653
tough one.

842
01:01:21,293 --> 01:01:23,573
I would give it to my best friend that I've

843
01:01:23,573 --> 01:01:25,513
known since middle

844
01:01:25,513 --> 01:01:25,833
school.

845
01:01:27,413 --> 01:01:29,513
He's the one that he buys Bitcoin,

846
01:01:29,653 --> 01:01:31,533
but he is not a Bitcoiner. And if

847
01:01:31,533 --> 01:01:51,678
If I had one left to give him so that he could see Bitcoin the way I see it the way that other Bitcoins see it so that he could see the world that we all trying to build together I would give it to him because I would love for him to see that world and see my vision and see the potential that Bitcoin brings

848
01:01:51,678 --> 01:01:57,518
So if I had one pill left in the world to give, I would give it to him.

849
01:01:58,178 --> 01:01:58,858
Love it.

850
01:01:59,298 --> 01:02:05,218
Well, thank you so much for coming on and stepping into the ring to do this.

851
01:02:05,218 --> 01:02:07,638
as, you know, just a

852
01:02:07,638 --> 01:02:10,078
playabout there, trying to make a difference in the world.

853
01:02:10,258 --> 01:02:12,158
It means a lot. I love doing these

854
01:02:12,158 --> 01:02:13,678
episodes and

855
01:02:13,678 --> 01:02:15,558
I can't look forward

856
01:02:15,558 --> 01:02:18,278
I am really looking forward

857
01:02:18,278 --> 01:02:20,198
to your first article

858
01:02:20,198 --> 01:02:22,258
and if that turns up

859
01:02:22,258 --> 01:02:24,238
on Fanfares, it's going to be awesome to see

860
01:02:24,238 --> 01:02:26,238
that as well because, you know, that's my

861
01:02:26,238 --> 01:02:27,778
job done then, just connecting

862
01:02:27,778 --> 01:02:28,958
two completely

863
01:02:28,958 --> 01:02:32,218
two complete strangers who are just trying

864
01:02:32,218 --> 01:02:34,078
to add value into the space and

865
01:02:34,078 --> 01:02:40,998
coming together and having that benefit dozens, scores, hundreds, thousands of other people down

866
01:02:40,998 --> 01:02:45,778
the line. Yeah, that's all we're here to do, right? Absolutely. And thank you for having me,

867
01:02:45,838 --> 01:02:51,598
man. This was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed it. And thanks for pushing me because I probably

868
01:02:51,598 --> 01:02:55,558
needed that little bit of push to write the articles. So I appreciate that. All right. Well,

869
01:02:55,678 --> 01:02:59,698
have a great afternoon. Thank you so much. You too, man. Thank you. I'll talk to you soon.

870
01:02:59,698 --> 01:03:08,038
thank you so much sad scholar thank you everybody for listening i hope you enjoyed that one i really

871
01:03:08,038 --> 01:03:15,838
love connecting with people that i i've never heard talk on a pod before uh been enjoying their

872
01:03:15,838 --> 01:03:21,818
their tweets and uh just reaching out and connecting that what like lauren's lauren's

873
01:03:21,818 --> 01:03:26,218
answer at the beginning of the show was everything you need to know right that this is what is

874
01:03:26,218 --> 01:03:32,478
happening we are building out like the social layer of bitcoin we are if bitcoin is nothing

875
01:03:32,478 --> 01:03:38,838
without us and knut's von holm uh has given many talks about this uh around the world the different

876
01:03:38,838 --> 01:03:47,798
conferences that he's been going to uh you know um you know you are your note right if if that

877
01:03:47,798 --> 01:03:55,378
makes sense if not go and listen to knut's show or go and find one of his talks in um the the

878
01:03:55,378 --> 01:04:02,398
interwebs uh it will be on the youtube channel on sure the bitcoin infinity show and um

879
01:04:02,398 --> 01:04:13,158
yeah we are all satoshi but well except one person uh without this ability to meet each other

880
01:04:13,158 --> 01:04:24,438
and start sharing our journeys start sharing our unique perspectives start joining each other to

881
01:04:24,438 --> 01:04:30,818
build out the next thing whether that is and that could be anything like completely anything

882
01:04:30,818 --> 01:04:38,118
so just case in point on Wednesday I met two bitcoiners that live within like a 45 mile

883
01:04:38,118 --> 01:04:45,198
radius of me I'd met one of them in real life before at the Bury St Edmunds event in the UK

884
01:04:45,198 --> 01:04:53,038
and he is designing a bitcoin card game and that's incredible he had a physical bitcoin

885
01:04:53,038 --> 01:04:58,658
card to give to me and the other guy that we were meeting because we were part of the early

886
01:04:58,658 --> 01:05:07,278
supporters club and all we had to do was give him permission to use our avatar or headshot from

887
01:05:07,278 --> 01:05:12,298
from our twitter profile because this is how he's building the game out it's an excellent game it's

888
01:05:12,298 --> 01:05:17,018
really fun and if you're if you're into that kind of stuff go on what go and look at it

889
01:05:17,018 --> 01:05:21,578
BTCG official is the Twitter handle there.

890
01:05:22,358 --> 01:05:24,018
But the point I'm trying to make here is,

891
01:05:24,958 --> 01:05:27,318
you know, we connected over Orange Collab,

892
01:05:27,398 --> 01:05:28,398
which is now Club Orange,

893
01:05:28,658 --> 01:05:30,938
which Sat Scholar did as well.

894
01:05:31,038 --> 01:05:33,038
That's how he found his local people.

895
01:05:33,038 --> 01:05:35,858
He was the Lonely Bitcoiner until that point.

896
01:05:36,198 --> 01:05:38,658
And he gets along to his local Bitcoin meetup

897
01:05:38,658 --> 01:05:39,938
and there's developers there.

898
01:05:40,498 --> 01:05:41,838
Like, you know, that's crazy.

899
01:05:42,378 --> 01:05:46,458
Who, you have no idea who is meeting in your town.

900
01:05:46,458 --> 01:05:50,078
And if they're not in your town, they'll be half an hour away, 45 minutes away.

901
01:05:50,158 --> 01:05:54,318
Believe me, there is someone close to you that is running a Bitcoin meetup.

902
01:05:54,658 --> 01:05:57,718
And when you get there and you meet the people, you might walk in and it's...

903
01:05:58,998 --> 01:06:00,318
I'm going to share a few stories.

904
01:06:00,798 --> 01:06:07,418
Our meetup recently in the southeast of the UK, a young lad shows up, 18 years of age.

905
01:06:07,478 --> 01:06:09,758
He's studying at the local university.

906
01:06:10,518 --> 01:06:15,518
And his father has written a Bitcoin book, which I'd not even heard of.

907
01:06:15,518 --> 01:06:17,738
And I've tried to read them all and interview all the authors.

908
01:06:18,138 --> 01:06:19,178
And this blew my mind.

909
01:06:19,638 --> 01:06:21,878
And he lives over on the west side of the country.

910
01:06:22,278 --> 01:06:24,158
So we've now connected.

911
01:06:24,758 --> 01:06:27,458
And of course, I'm halfway through the book.

912
01:06:27,638 --> 01:06:30,198
And I will get him on to go through it.

913
01:06:30,558 --> 01:06:32,278
The book is called Bitcoin Unchained.

914
01:06:32,618 --> 01:06:34,578
And it's written by Richard James.

915
01:06:34,678 --> 01:06:35,738
So go find him on Twitter.

916
01:06:36,478 --> 01:06:38,298
That's one anecdotal story.

917
01:06:38,858 --> 01:06:40,958
The meetup we had Wednesday night.

918
01:06:41,598 --> 01:06:43,298
The other guy that comes along.

919
01:06:43,298 --> 01:06:51,058
he brings a copy of my book which he he'd thrown out a tweet i'm trying to get the missus up to

920
01:06:51,058 --> 01:06:55,418
speed on homeschooling world schooling unschooling this kind of thing is there any good resources out

921
01:06:55,418 --> 01:07:00,938
there bitcoin lebowski tweets back and says get hold of choose life it was one of the best books

922
01:07:00,938 --> 01:07:06,758
that we read and it was kind of the the pushing point for my wife for us to leave the uk take our

923
01:07:06,758 --> 01:07:11,618
kids out of school and start a different life so he goes and buys the book he brings the story with

924
01:07:11,618 --> 01:07:17,998
him of how he got to learn about the book through another pleb and he was thrilled that I was there

925
01:07:17,998 --> 01:07:24,758
and able to sign the book for him and just three dudes three dudes sitting there and he's writing

926
01:07:24,758 --> 01:07:30,958
his own book now about bitcoin so there's me with the podcast there's the other guy who's building

927
01:07:30,958 --> 01:07:36,198
out the uh the card game and now there's this guy about to be a new bitcoin author

928
01:07:36,198 --> 01:07:44,978
each getting you know great vibes from each other and the support we need that's why it's

929
01:07:44,978 --> 01:07:50,778
so important to get out there so you know my question to you is is bitcoin ones and zeros

930
01:07:50,778 --> 01:08:00,358
or is it x's and y's think on that hit the link in the show notes get on club orange start meeting

931
01:08:00,358 --> 01:08:05,898
your people because it's only us that are going to push this thing forward and you will be

932
01:08:05,898 --> 01:08:13,238
astounded at the support and the level of expertise that you will attract to you

933
01:08:13,238 --> 01:08:17,618
that's the end of the show guys thank you so much for listening

934
01:08:17,618 --> 01:08:20,918
have a great christmas and i'll catch you on the next one