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Hello, everybody. My name is Daniel Prince, and I'm the host of the Once Bitten podcast.

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This is a podcast focused on Bitcoin. It's my mission to interview as many people as I can

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around the different aspects of Bitcoin and help people understand exactly what Bitcoin

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could mean for them and for their families and for their future. I hope you enjoy the show.

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Thank you so much for listening.

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very active over on Noster. So make sure you go follow Jake over on Noster. Talking about how he

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has mismanaged, in his own words, a purchase, a large purchase in life and him being a Bitcoiner

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and pretty much all in on Bitcoin, that has had some severe consequences. He didn't plan properly.

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He takes us through this story and he hopes that by sharing this knowledge, it's going to save you

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some time some money and some sleep perhaps in the long run so thank you for that jake we also

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get into reincarnation exorcism and all kinds of other crazy shit which jake has had direct

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experience with this isn't hearsay this is coming from the man himself so i hope you enjoy it and

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reach out and follow Jake as you learn more about him. I'm going to do some shout outs from the

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Boosterverse over on Fountain. Really enjoying the interaction over there. If you've not switched

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your listening habits yet, please do. I love the shout outs when I hear them on other podcasts.

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Max over at the Ungovernable Misfits, he's been doing this for a long time. Dave Bennett,

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90-year business over on Bitcoin and does it every week. And it's a great way to give shout

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out back to the plebs uh i'm gonna go back a few episodes here uh rano kuni he came on the show to

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talk about bip 110 he has now written a 13 part essay on this current uh debate in bitcoin if you

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want to get up to speed if you feel as though you're sitting on the fence or you haven't got

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the time to delve into it this is definitely the podcast you want to head to if you prefer reading

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just hit the link in that episode.

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It takes you to his substack and the 13 episodes.

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So we've got Code with 500 sats.

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A group that wants to control something to protect the children

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immediately raises my hackles.

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We've got Anonymous with 1,000 sats.

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Bip 110.

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We've got Lumor with 1,000 sats.

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A Bitcoin that can be governed by politicians passing laws

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influencing public company minors is not interesting to me.

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spammers will always find ways around any filters we build you can send a message by disallowing some

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formats but it's probably not going to have a big and then he just trails off not sure what happened

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there but you get the gist of that that's lumo with a thousand thank you harley with a thousand

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ignored brushed over most important arguments against bit 110 op returns are prunable other

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methods are more harmful question mark kyle with 1221 sats good episode for anyone wanting to go

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deeper regarding common objections including the op return prunability argument i wrote up an

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article here and he's got a great article and a link to his own work uh j sun bits with 5000 sats

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thank you very much thanks for this one great episode clarkian 7777 sats great signal and

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analysis here consider me subbed thank you Clarkian and then uh more recently Anuja she came on the

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show to talk about traveling with your sats we got Shadrach with 939 inspirational thought-provoking

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and delightfully entertaining another great rip we got William the French with 500 sats what a great

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idea I was just about to write air btc bitcoin beach bitcoin isla bougier uh brilliant and

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Paez with 121 sats and some, a stick of emojis there,

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steak, salute, and mussels and mushrooms and a flower.

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Thank you, Paez.

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Meanwhile, enjoy this episode with Jake.

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Jake, how are you, mate?

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Yeah, I'm really well and I love the immediate click record.

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Yeah, otherwise we would have spent 10 minutes just catching up.

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and all the exactly every time all the good juicy stuff gets lost so yeah here we fuck it we'll do

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it live right that the how you doing mate like uh it's been a while since we caught up i believe

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you are in a new place you've bought a place you've taken the the plunge you've been talking

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about it on your your posts on Noster you've been talking about it on your your updates on your pod

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it's been uh it's been quite a handful of years for you and the fam gosh yeah i mean i'm i'm open

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to any direction you want to take the conversation um i i am i am learning a lot of things right now

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and some of it's very very brutal like brutal i had a mentoring call recently and there's a

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I mean, it's said as a Mike Tyson quote,

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whether he said it, who knows, but it goes well,

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which is like everyone thinks they're great

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till they get punched in the face.

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And I, in the last like six weeks,

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like specific to Bitcoin and as a quote unquote investor,

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it's been like a punch in the face

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because it has exposed me for what I was,

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which is deficient in areas

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that I didn't think were a problem.

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and so yes i bought a house and there was lots of reasons for doing that there was lots of thought

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process into where and the kind of property that needed to be and i had this whole due diligence

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process on you know things like mold emf all sorts of cool stuff yeah um but i didn't take

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sufficient steps to guard against the drawdown in Bitcoin that was inevitable. And so I mistook

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or I blended investment capital and operational capital in the same bucket. So over the last

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four weeks, I'm not going to lie, I've had some of the most stressful times I can remember when

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it's like, what the fuck's happening? And it's like freezing like a rabbit in headlights, like

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and it's just yeah i'm very very well but i feel battered and bruised and

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just stabling out and one of the big headaches i created for myself there's two main things that

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happened one i committed to a renovation on the house that we purchased and i didn't put any money

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aside whatsoever for it signed the contract in October thinking double double you know double

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tops coming paid the finance paid the deposit so got out at a great time from those perspectives

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but just had no cash reserves and and so suddenly this renovation which is the same I would spend

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on give or take a year of living as a family I've got to come up with the cash over the next like

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three months and it's like oh and so now you're selling just when you want to be buying and it's

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like it's just brutal absolutely brutal um and on top of that i didn't have a cash reserve so you're

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sitting there it's like bitcoin's this battery that you can just draw down from it whenever you

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need it and that's true but in a in a price drawdown of 50 over what's been not even three

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or four months everything's twice as expensive and it's like oh and you're hooked to this previous

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previous price it's like well i used to get x many thousand aussie dollars and now i get this

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many thousand aussie dollars and you wind yourself up in these tight loops of you fucked up and how

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could you not seen it coming and yeah it's it's just a fascinating experience you're trying

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something different it's new there are gonna be things you get wrong and right now I'm feeling

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the pain and I'll leave it at that because you've you've been through this process probably many

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times and it just oh you know I think I had I thought I had it all sorted and just then your pants get whipped off and you get smack on the ass You like you don know what you fucking doing

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And your worst enemy is yourself.

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So, yeah, interesting times.

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How do you deal with that?

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Like the self-loathing?

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Because that's something everybody struggles with.

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Great question.

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So to be honest, AI.

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like being brutal about the last like three weeks i i've been for example like about a week ago

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four o'clock in the morning getting up like haven't drunk a beer for like three or four

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weeks at this stage like just need a clear head what the fuck is going on how am i going to get

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myself through this process how am i going to steady the ship and you know figure things out

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and i just was like okay uh shout out to an austral friend of mine scott who's been on the podcast

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he was like these are different AIs I use for different things you know you've got

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imaging strategy coding it's like okay cool what are the strategy ones all right let's pick those

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okay I need to make this much money on this date how and I sent the same thing to like four or five

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different AI agents and I got different answers and I was able to curate different things I liked

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from them and in particular chat gpt was just extraordinarily good at cutting through all the

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bullshit and be like you're emotional and so when you feel this in your gut you're actually

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experiencing this psychological impact of blah blah blah and it's been some of the best personal

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development work i've ever done for 25 a month at the click of a button for any question that you

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have and so the self-loathing is a very natural reaction to the situation that you're in and the

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way to get through it you know first of all just breathe like nothing has materially changed just

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a piece of paper that says your net wealth was x is now x like nothing's actually changed

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um and so it's been a fascinating process because these are tools that they didn't exist before

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now pinch of salt don't go and put your seed phrase in chat gpt obviously right you know

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using generic numbers around strategic positions you find yourself in it's like okay renovation

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cost x x has to be paid on y date you know what do you do and it's like okay well you need cash

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flow forecasts you need this you need that would you like me to create this and just before you

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know it you're actually getting into the actual nuts and bolts of the problem and that's been

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that's been amazing absolutely amazing to to be able to lean on interesting mate that's the first

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time i've ever heard anyone like talk about using ai in that way like you to to help almost um

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a meditative process yeah and it's it's it's like um

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oh what's the right way of saying it i could see it becoming extraordinarily addictive

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because you're not like i'm not sure how it's programmed to talk to me

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and again pinch of salt just be careful what you're dealing with like any tool

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it's up to the user's discretion but that's where you know you've got four or five different options

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right and they're all very you know small subscription fees and you send the same thing

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to all of them and see what comes back and you again you're the curator of a set of tools

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so i'm a better investor now than i was four weeks ago and my balance sheet from a financial

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perspective is down but my intellectual capital is up and what will happen actually shout out to

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ben gunn so you'll know this is as a podcaster i was sat there going oh my god what's going on

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what's going on what's going on what do you know well you've got a phone book full of people that

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you've met that they know what the fuck they're talking about and just talk to them and so i had

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maybe i don't know five ten phone calls with people in in the space i've met over the years

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that i thought might have an interesting angle on what i was trying to figure out and ben was like

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ironically what you're going through right now big fuck up but you get it right it'll make you

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more money in the future and it's true because all the things i'm picking up now are actually i was

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optimizing for the wrong thing i was optimizing for the highest net wealth possible i was optimizing

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for the most coins possible.

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And I was under-allocated to stability,

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to durability, to steadiness.

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And so what will come out of it,

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we'll have to wait and see.

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But if, for example...

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As Benny Gunn would say,

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you were long vol.

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We're all long vol.

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I was long vol, yeah.

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We're all long vol by holding Bitcoin.

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But he would also say,

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did your grandfather take risk?

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Right.

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And it's like, well, yeah, of course he fucking did.

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So the, yeah, oh, wow.

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Yeah, basically I was long only.

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And the underbelly of that was more fragile than what I understood.

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And it's only through the price drawdown that you, you know,

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another phrase you might hear would be like, you know,

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when the tide goes out, you can see who was swimming naked.

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Now, I wasn't leveraged, importantly.

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And I know lots of people that were.

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There's a very important point, actually, because a lot of people listening to this may well have been leveraged too.

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This is a different angle.

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But basically, 13 months ago, my net wealth stat that I was calculating every week as I was doing my investing stuff was at the strongest it's ever been on paper.

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and that was giving us a lifestyle we'd never had before and it was amazing all this flexibility

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travel whatever 12 months later when i last ran the numbers it was 60 down and you're like holy

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shit where's all that quote-unquote value gone and you suddenly realize like why hedge funds

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are called hedge funds because they didn't just get 60 up and then draw back 60 they're actually

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selling and buying other financial tools to ensure that they don't have that same soft underbelly

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and you know there's a guy chris shout out to chris on nostor who shared with me as a as a long-term

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bullion investor and i'm guessing he's probably a bit older than you i haven't spoken to him too

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much but he used to keep 18 months of runway in the bank at all times when he had the busiest

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period of his life with kids and wife and commitments i didn't have that now in hindsight

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13 months ago i should have gone right 20 bang into strc or into my friend costa has this business

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called minotaur trading and he's creating quite interesting yield using bitcoin futures

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that's cash flow that would just sit there and equally like where's your cash reserves like

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12 months 18 months get it in there so i didn't have any of that like it was like where's it gone

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oh my god what's happened now i did buy a house and i did prepay the finance on it at a very

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expensive rate because i'm in the eyes of the debt boys not an attractive man because i don't

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have lots of income for them to then leverage against but either way it's like whoa that has

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just literally really fucked me up and what you start to understand this is the self-loathing thing

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is your self-worth was connected to a net worth and you were you were getting um what's the right

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way of saying this i i would like and i do still this is still true investing is a game by which

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you get paid for your decision making and that phrase sounds great when you're sitting on 5x

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and then a year later when it's like oh that's not quite so cool

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um and yeah well just the the q1 2026 bear market is handing out lessons to me like

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crucial and it makes me stronger so it's just it's very hard to separate the emotion

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from the facts and that's what this ai experience is very interesting for um

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it's so yeah i mean we can start there what's great about this mate is that you're you're

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willing to share it and you're putting yourself out there not only on this podcast but on your own

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and with your own posts as well.

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And I remember, I think it was back in November,

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I put out just a post like we hadn't even had the huge drop down then.

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But I knew a lot of people had been taking on these loans.

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And I put something out on Nostra along the lines of,

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if the inevitable happens and your Bitcoin gets swept

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because you can't meet the margin calls

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and there was a nasty dip overnight,

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it could have been a flash crash,

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are you going to be brave enough to talk about it, to warn others,

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and learn out in the open?

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Because especially if there's nefarious actors at play, right?

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Like Celsius or Blockfire, we've all been there before.

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And people, they clam up because they feel stupid,

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for want of a better word.

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And they don want to face that So it I think it a testament to your personality and for your willingness to share it all

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Because these are hard things to share, right?

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Nobody likes to own up when they're being wrong.

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And this is the trick.

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And I'd love for, you know, shout out to Rob Brindad.

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His book Glitch is a great read.

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and it'd be brilliant if you guys haven't connected already,

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you definitely should.

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Yeah, Rob and I have chatted a bunch of times.

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I've done at least two podcasts with him

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and I've read his first book, The Decentralized Mind.

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I haven't yet read Glitch.

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Yeah.

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And I have done a couple of one-on-one sessions with him.

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So I know exactly what you're talking about.

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The monkey and the rabbit wheel or whatever.

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The hamster wheel, sorry.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, it's tough times out there, man.

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it's been a right old rough ride

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not just price wise but within the community

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the civil war in air quotes

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that is still raging, been going on for three years

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lots of uncertainty

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but the reason I wanted to bring you on

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from my voice note that I sent to you

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because I heard you talking about

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no it was your

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post you'd listened

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to one of my episodes with

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Redtail Hawk and I know you guys have

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connected as well

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his episode that we did together

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is being

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published this week

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yeah a few days so Red

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and I spoke about education specifically

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but yeah I was flying

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sorry I've cut in

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I was flying

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just that it was

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the most recent episode you did with him and you were talking about reincarnation and

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the egyptians and the pyramids and the the lost civilization of mu and it was just like

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what is this guy talking about and there i was in this like tube think about ben vermin and like

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flat earth like speeding along with my daughter next to me just like what the hell and so my post

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that's right so you've teed me up nicely would you like me to retell what the post was yeah yeah

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um uh shout out to a lady called janine who my wife and i've done some work with and janine is

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um oh that's so weird and i now realize that your voice note you're actually referencing

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that story not the other story i started talking about there's two crazy stories right one of each

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daughter we can go through both of them yes um so my eldest daughter her name is ruby so she's

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five and a bit now and what janine told me was we were doing some past life work and janine has

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done all sorts of interesting stuff in quote-unquote healing and energy work and

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in a past life she saw that I have previously traveled to Australia so I'm English originally

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and I now live in Australia Aussie wife life in Australia and I migrated as an adult to another

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country and it's just so interesting because there was this this moment um there's uh

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there's excellent wine in australia so i don't know how much aussie wine you've ever drunk over

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the years but really underrated and it is essentially the european culture that migrated

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over the last 200 years to australia and they even would bring the vines on ships and then

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replant them in australia and there was a story of a german guy uh called henchke and he has a

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the family have a farm and winery in south australia near adelaide in the barossa valley now

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and my mother-in-law gifted me a bottle of their wine that is i mean it's going to be worth a couple

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of grand probably for one bottle like it's some of the very best australia has to offer in terms of

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a great red wine and i was in a wine shop and i saw this coffee table book and it was about the

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henchke winery i was like oh cool i started reading it and just sometimes it's just so mad

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what catches your attention why is this catching my attention why is this resonating and it's making

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the hair in my skin go up right now anyway this guy was in north germany in a shitty fucking

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village he had a wife and four kids and him and his brother are like this sucks it's like mid 1800s

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and they moved to hamburg with the intention of migrating over to america and whilst they're there

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they are involved in um some kind of religious community and there was a um a friar or a vicar

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or something that actually got them passage to australia and as they're waiting for their tickets

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in Hamburg one of his kids dies and on the ship on the way to Australia so if you think about this

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you're north Germany you come down past Spain Portugal all the way underneath Africa and then

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that massive stretch across to the south of Australia from Cape of Good Hope it would take

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three months and on the trip to Australia his wife died and another child so this guy pitches

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up in Adelaide in 18, I'm going to butcher this, but like roughly 1870. And him and his brother are

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like, fuck, what do we do now? And they're from rural community in North Germany. So what ended

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up happening is a lot of the German migrants moved up into South Australia and Barossa and started

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farming. Anyway, I just, I was reading this book and I was just so enamored by this story of like

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what a migrant used to have to go through to get to Australia and just love the story and so love

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the winery and whatever um anyway Janine doing past life work it comes to her she's like you've

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been to Australia before like what do you mean and in my previous life I was someone that traveled

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to Australia lost a wife lost a child and was part of a community in Australia that um

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there was a family of just women it was like three sisters or something and then all their children

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and the youngest child was bullied by them and I I became a pastor myself so I took on a religious

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role in in the community and I befriended the little girl anyway in Janine's view my eldest

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daughter is that same soul and we've been reincarnated into this life to live the father

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daughter role that we bonded over in that previous experience and just like what the fuck how is that

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and so one of the reasons i think i love that story so much about the german migrant and his

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brother and the ordeals that they took to get here was i'd done it before not on a plane but like

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somehow and my wife died previously and it's like it's kind of where um

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it's just so weird what catches your attention like why would that be such an interesting story

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to me it's just a story right but i'm there like really feeling it because maybe you've done it

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before and so there i am listening to red on this plane i'm like what a princey and red talking about

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this this stuff is mental and what resonated a lot was this idea of control and if i wanted to

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control someone it's much easier to do that from a place of fear i'm scared of dying is like a major

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fear and this this reference to the romans and the roman centralized governance and the you know

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the greatest empire to have ever been known to that point using the idea of the afterlife and

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reincarnation just like squashing it like using propaganda using any way possible to be like

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that's not real and red's obviously saying well hang on what were they doing in the in the in the

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in the fucking pyramids hello so that was cool um would you like me to tell the second story of my

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other daughter of like the freaky thing that happened or do you want to jump in there but

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just just on that there's um so after i had that chat with red that was my noster post essentially

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yes so that's what i was that's what i was referencing was that story of my daughter and

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how we've known each other before yeah that's crazy and i you know red comes on and he starts

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talking about reincarnation and uh the the sarcophagus and the um uh the pyramids being

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basically what would you call them like uh sensory deprivation tanks is what we would call them now

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and you know making the epsom uh salt bath water from the you know raw materials that were already

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there and mixing them together and putting people in there and that was used as a way to communicate

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with uh the the other realms uh and reincarnation we talked about uh chatting with the afterlife

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and then that put me onto this book a new science of heaven uh by robert temple which is great you

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would lap this up absolutely i put rob onto this book and he just i mean he ripped through it uh he

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Wow, okay, that's going straight on the read list.

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There a What it called Daniel A New Science of Heaven Okay Robert Temple And there a chapter in there about how this has been done

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like scientifically done and proven and studies.

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Obviously, you might have followed some of my...

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Obviously, it's called Robert Temple.

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Robert Temple, yeah.

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Why would he have that surname and write a book about this kind of shit?

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Yeah, I know.

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It's all there for you.

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Very convenient, yeah.

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and yeah he was talking about how people have measured like literally weighed the scene and

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weighed the body just as it crosses over you know that people have been bedside for deaths

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goodness knows how many millions of times right and everyone's got a different story

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some people might see a little light others people feel some other people feel something

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but scientists have actually proven

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that something does leave the body at that point

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and it's measurable

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in weight terms

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so you'd love this chapter

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and the rest of the book as well

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so that's when someone dies

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there's a measurable shift

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in the weight of the physical body

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really?

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wow

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yeah I mean I

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I've only seen one dead body

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in my life and that was my father's

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when he died whatever it was

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16 17 years ago now

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and there

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is there's just

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absolutely no doubt

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in my mind that there's nothing there

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left does that make sense

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yeah they're gone

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and

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what you just said immediately made me

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think about that

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there's a serene look

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the body's there but there's nothing there

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whoa

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I'm obviously going to have to read that

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I've got a few more for you as we scroll through this conversation

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sure

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your next story

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can we start this one off with home birthing

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because I think that's something else

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that a lot of people are, well, a lot of the listeners,

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I've had Katie to Russian come on before.

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We did a 100th maximalist podcast

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because she's doing this with her children.

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And my wife, she saw something the other day.

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I'm going to butcher the quote.

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Something along the lines of birth should be natural

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with medical intervention if needed,

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not medical procedure with the result of a natural outcome at the very end.

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We've had like everything.

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It's just been flipped on its head.

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You and your wife, Lauren, I think.

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Lauren, yeah.

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You were both births, home births?

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So we've got three kids now.

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Sorry.

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They're five, three and one.

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Yeah, we've been very busy.

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Thankfully, they're all now asleep.

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I was like, shit, I've got a podcast tonight.

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I've got to try and get them in bed early.

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It's just that chaos period from like half past four

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till it can be like eight o'clock.

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It's just crazy.

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Crazy fun, though.

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Yeah, and you'll look back on it.

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Every day I get someone who's circa 60 come up to me

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and say, at some stage, you will miss this.

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One guy I remember in particular at the coffee shop recently,

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one child was up a tree.

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the other one was was was trying to like poke the dog in the face and the third one was like crying

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on the floor or something i don't know but just it was madness and the guy's like one day you'll

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miss this yeah okay and it helps you just ground a little bit because you do get so stressed you're

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like all this stuff going on like whoa um so yeah so home birth okay so this is like i guess my

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perspective as the male and um it all started because so we we emigrated from london my wife's

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australian and i'm english we're in london before moved to melbourne when lozzy was maybe three or

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four months pregnant and we got there 31st december 2019 and by march of 2020 the scandemic

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had begun and it was a particularly difficult period in that we just didn't know what the hell

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was going on and I was just as bad as anyone where you're like actually watching the news trying to

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find out what the fuck was happening and it wasn't till quite a few months later that we

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realized and Loz was well ahead of me on this in terms of like this is a scam this is so obviously

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a fucking scam what is going on right now and without going down the whole covid rabbit hole

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because that's a whole other podcast in itself but in australia they started bringing in all

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these regulations around um hospital birth and for example they were saying that it was still

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it was still earlier than all the covid jabs they hadn't quite developed them by this stage so it

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It was like, it was all about, you know, COVID zero policies and stop the spread and, you know, wear your fucking mask and make sure you're two meters apart.

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And, oh, by the way, the husband's not allowed to come to the birthing suite.

443
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What do you fucking mean?

444
00:36:53,698 --> 00:36:54,498
That's ridiculous.

445
00:36:55,398 --> 00:36:58,638
And so, and then they changed it back to the can and they can't.

446
00:36:58,638 --> 00:37:07,078
It's like, okay, all this uncertainty was hampering our process for trying to remain grounded and relaxed and bringing a baby into the world.

447
00:37:07,078 --> 00:37:13,438
and as your first baby there's so many unknowns you just literally don't know what you're doing

448
00:37:13,438 --> 00:37:21,498
and um eventually it's like what what would a home birth look like and quite quickly we were like

449
00:37:21,498 --> 00:37:25,518
let's do it like this is obviously the better way of doing it because we know that we can start to

450
00:37:25,518 --> 00:37:31,198
plan around it and we had a house in um in melbourne where we started arranging things and so we came

451
00:37:31,198 --> 00:37:39,358
across this amazing community of private midwives that i mean for their day job they deliver babies

452
00:37:39,358 --> 00:37:46,698
i was just so blown away by this it's such a a beautiful experience but also like high pressure

453
00:37:46,698 --> 00:37:54,478
and intense and that's their job they get a call at three o'clock in the morning and they're up and

454
00:37:54,478 --> 00:37:58,718
they go to someone's house and they deliver babies and the older lady that we were working with

455
00:37:58,718 --> 00:38:05,718
she was like probably knocking 70 she thousands of births right and we did something called a

456
00:38:05,718 --> 00:38:12,078
shared care where we paid a private midwife they would come to the house do all the checkups they

457
00:38:12,078 --> 00:38:19,378
were booked in to deliver the babies the baby and we were also seeing an obstetrician who if

458
00:38:19,378 --> 00:38:26,058
she hit the fan was essentially on call in a hospital 12 minute drive from the house and that

459
00:38:26,058 --> 00:38:32,598
more traditional or conventional arrangement gave us the confidence in particular my wife

460
00:38:32,598 --> 00:38:36,178
the confidence say i'm gonna have a crack at home first and i'm not fucking going there

461
00:38:36,178 --> 00:38:44,038
um anyway and this is i guess the the one amusing story that came out of the actual

462
00:38:44,038 --> 00:38:48,838
birth experience it started like friday night midnight three o'clock on saturday afternoon

463
00:38:48,838 --> 00:38:55,778
baby's still not born and my wife's getting tired like really tired and you're like what the hell

464
00:38:55,778 --> 00:39:01,558
is this i've been so relaxed and confident i'm gonna have a home birth no big deal and suddenly

465
00:39:01,558 --> 00:39:08,298
i'm like oh my god people die in birth like what what happens now and i left the room

466
00:39:08,298 --> 00:39:16,138
my one job was to pack the hospital bag and so i'm like running around the house panicking trying

467
00:39:16,138 --> 00:39:20,398
to find like some food and some pajamas and some you know christmas lights and all the shit that i

468
00:39:20,398 --> 00:39:24,038
was supposed to have done before that i hadn't done because i was so sure we're gonna have a home

469
00:39:24,038 --> 00:39:35,158
birth and the main midwife left our bedroom to go and call the obstetrician and say look this isn't

470
00:39:35,158 --> 00:39:41,118
going as planned the baby hasn't come the the woman is getting too tired we think we need to come in

471
00:39:41,118 --> 00:39:46,658
and loz was left in the bedroom with the second midwife who'd been very much playing second fiddle

472
00:39:46,658 --> 00:39:52,318
the whole day and i was then you know taking the dog out for a pee on the front at the front of the

473
00:39:52,318 --> 00:39:56,798
house going like shit like people die in childbirth i haven't packed the bag like actually

474
00:39:56,798 --> 00:40:03,798
freaking out and something shifted where she in her mind she's like i'm i'm not getting to a

475
00:40:03,798 --> 00:40:07,958
hospital in this state you've got to be kidding me she's like butt naked hands against the wall

476
00:40:07,958 --> 00:40:14,478
like trying to give birth this baby i can't get in a car and the second midwife she just connected

477
00:40:14,478 --> 00:40:19,618
to on an energetic level way better than the first it's like she didn't trust the first lady

478
00:40:19,618 --> 00:40:25,378
the masculine energy left the room the woman that she didn't trust left the room the second

479
00:40:25,378 --> 00:40:32,078
lady took control and within 45 minutes this is how i remember it ruby was born boom in the

480
00:40:32,078 --> 00:40:36,438
bedroom at home and so by five o'clock on a saturday afternoon you've got your baby in your

481
00:40:36,438 --> 00:40:43,698
arms you're in your own house you've got your own bathroom placenta comes out and it was fucking

482
00:40:43,698 --> 00:40:49,758
awesome like oh my god we just did a home birth we absolutely smashed it bring it on it's possible

483
00:40:49,758 --> 00:40:57,298
and and when you start digging into the data like no one has a home birth like absolutely

484
00:40:57,298 --> 00:41:03,618
fucking no one now there's more in the uk but australia is like basically no one and so birth

485
00:41:03,618 --> 00:41:07,618
number two it's like well of course we're gonna do a home birth why wouldn't you you can control

486
00:41:07,618 --> 00:41:11,898
your environment it's your own home you know you've got your baby you can feed it what you like

487
00:41:11,898 --> 00:41:13,238
You can go and have a shower when you want.

488
00:41:13,318 --> 00:41:16,458
You've got no random punter just cruising into your room doing what you want.

489
00:41:17,278 --> 00:41:26,238
And on baby number two, we had come across a lady called Rhea Dempsey, who is an Australian nurse and midwife.

490
00:41:26,938 --> 00:41:29,298
And she ran workshops around home birth.

491
00:41:30,078 --> 00:41:35,058
And to touch on what you mentioned before, she talks very clearly about physiological birth.

492
00:41:37,118 --> 00:41:38,238
That's how it's done.

493
00:41:38,758 --> 00:41:39,938
The woman just gives birth.

494
00:41:39,971 --> 00:41:47,231
like that needs to be the priority and there's a whole load of side effects that if you chop a

495
00:41:47,231 --> 00:41:53,531
woman open and take a baby out it's it's like first of all the woman themselves has got a

496
00:41:53,531 --> 00:41:59,391
a massive bit of healing to do like it's a full-on piece of surgery of cesarean it's not a casual

497
00:41:59,391 --> 00:42:07,431
thing um but all of the uh there's natural bacterias that a child collects on the way out

498
00:42:07,431 --> 00:42:12,431
of the womb when birth naturally so there's a whole ton of reasons why a physiological birth

499
00:42:12,431 --> 00:42:18,691
is a better healthier process for both the woman and the baby then it's like the breastfeeding

500
00:42:18,691 --> 00:42:24,611
process there's a whole load of stuff we can go down as rabbit holes but um the baby number two

501
00:42:24,611 --> 00:42:30,271
we did ria's workshop and she took us through some of the numbers and it's just extraordinary

502
00:42:30,271 --> 00:42:36,651
how few people have have home births but when you look at the risk of home birth even though it's a

503
00:42:36,651 --> 00:42:44,051
small number of the total babies birthed the risks are actually in your favor i.e there's no

504
00:42:44,051 --> 00:42:50,951
she called it the it was the cascade of interventions so when you enter a hospital

505
00:42:50,951 --> 00:42:58,611
environment you do not control the space and the first thing they'll do is they'll offer you

506
00:42:58,611 --> 00:43:04,571
painkillers so the gas and laws would openly says if i'd been in a hospital i would have

507
00:43:04,571 --> 00:43:13,231
fucking had that shit straight away because you can but that numbs the female body and that's

508
00:43:13,231 --> 00:43:19,931
actually counterproductive to giving birth and if you have like an epidural for example like it

509
00:43:19,931 --> 00:43:25,151
it's that you can't feel anything so how do you how do you give birth and then you've got the

510
00:43:25,151 --> 00:43:29,151
forceps and then you've got like you know there's all these different interventions that can be used

511
00:43:29,151 --> 00:43:35,451
to like help you give birth but is it helping or is it just someone getting in the way of a natural

512
00:43:35,451 --> 00:43:42,131
process and ria was totally fired up about this subject you can read her book she's a really

513
00:43:42,131 --> 00:43:48,731
interesting lady but one of the reasons the c-sections happen is because even the hospital

514
00:43:48,731 --> 00:43:56,651
is the room itself is an intervention yes the lights the the non-native emfs that you're around

515
00:43:56,651 --> 00:44:04,811
you know it's really simple question daniel yeah if a bit if a cat wants to give birth what does it

516
00:44:04,811 --> 00:44:10,251
do it goes hide somewhere doesn't it like under a bush it goes and sits under the fucking cupboard

517
00:44:10,251 --> 00:44:19,931
and has six kittens we're mammals same shit but we go and put ourselves in these brightly lit

518
00:44:19,931 --> 00:44:25,851
places with different people fiddling with your vagina like it is it's not a place where you chill

519
00:44:25,851 --> 00:44:34,691
out and like just let go and having seen a woman give birth now three times it is a powerful process

520
00:44:34,691 --> 00:44:41,891
but it only works if they fucking go for it how do you do that in an environment when you're

521
00:44:41,891 --> 00:44:47,311
clamming up at just the moment when you need to be opening but the pain is extraordinary

522
00:44:47,311 --> 00:44:57,171
but the natural birth the recovery is so fast you think about how how would a woman who's been

523
00:44:57,171 --> 00:45:09,411
chopped open run in a forest from a tiger with a baby they can barely walk but a natural birth

524
00:45:09,411 --> 00:45:17,551
within a day it's amazing how fast the body returns um so there's just there's lots we've

525
00:45:17,551 --> 00:45:23,971
learned about about birthing through the process but to get to the story about my second daughter

526
00:45:23,971 --> 00:45:31,091
cleo and the what i shared with you on the audio note and alfie was also born home birth a year

527
00:45:31,091 --> 00:45:36,831
ago or so as well um did you get better by the way did you have the bag packed for uh number two

528
00:45:36,831 --> 00:45:38,431
I had the bag.

529
00:45:38,631 --> 00:45:39,411
I think I had, did I?

530
00:45:39,871 --> 00:45:42,231
Maybe I didn't even bother.

531
00:45:42,591 --> 00:45:44,131
I just knew we were going to do it.

532
00:45:46,091 --> 00:45:50,031
What shook me up so much, though, was that whole, like, oh, my God.

533
00:45:50,211 --> 00:45:55,371
It was only 15 hours into a labor that I suddenly had the, like,

534
00:45:55,411 --> 00:45:56,871
what if this goes wrong question.

535
00:45:58,891 --> 00:46:01,391
Like, mate, you probably should have thought about that before.

536
00:46:03,131 --> 00:46:04,511
Okay, this gets really fruity.

537
00:46:04,511 --> 00:46:13,391
So, okay, so my second daughter was born again in Melbourne, different house, different neighborhood, home birth.

538
00:46:13,891 --> 00:46:18,751
And this one was much more straightforward as a process.

539
00:46:19,451 --> 00:46:24,571
Different midwives, we decided to change midwives after the first experience that we had.

540
00:46:25,211 --> 00:46:32,291
And instead of being born like under stress, like four o'clock in the afternoon, exhausted, it like it started pretty early in the morning.

541
00:46:32,291 --> 00:46:37,731
and by i think she's born around one o'clock had basically a morning labor and the baby was born

542
00:46:37,731 --> 00:46:42,731
and it wasn't to say that it wasn't hard absolutely it was but it just number one was

543
00:46:42,731 --> 00:46:50,011
much more intense as a labor process um but about eight weeks into her life my wife says to me i i

544
00:46:50,011 --> 00:46:56,091
can't i can't handle this i just i do not understand what's wrong with this baby and i was

545
00:46:56,091 --> 00:47:02,391
guilty of being um perhaps not involved enough and also looking after the other child so i didn't

546
00:47:02,391 --> 00:47:08,971
just see as much but essentially if she wasn't asleep or she wasn't feeding on the boob she was

547
00:47:08,971 --> 00:47:17,271
hysterically crying crying and not like oh i'm upset like blood curdling screams and we just

548
00:47:17,271 --> 00:47:23,271
couldn't settle this baby and suddenly you're going down all of all these different like you

549
00:47:23,271 --> 00:47:32,211
I joked afterwards, like, as an entrepreneur, a brilliant place to sell shit is to stress newborn parents because you will buy anything.

550
00:47:34,151 --> 00:47:35,811
Like, I've got to solve this problem.

551
00:47:35,911 --> 00:47:40,191
And we were saying, for example, this chiropractor that we're friends with, he was helpful.

552
00:47:40,751 --> 00:47:47,111
But we couldn't put the baby in a car seat because she would just scream and scream and scream.

553
00:47:47,531 --> 00:47:48,851
So you couldn't drive anywhere.

554
00:47:49,231 --> 00:47:51,631
So she was okay in a pram.

555
00:47:51,631 --> 00:47:58,551
So we put her in the pram and take public transport to the chiropractor that took three times longer just to not have her scream.

556
00:47:58,651 --> 00:48:01,851
It was that like psychologically jarring.

557
00:48:02,211 --> 00:48:04,591
And we barely get any sleep overnight, right?

558
00:48:04,631 --> 00:48:08,131
You sleep with it for a bit and maybe an hour later, wake up and scream again.

559
00:48:09,491 --> 00:48:14,851
And so you're getting more and more depleted as as parents.

560
00:48:14,851 --> 00:48:20,211
Like, you know, you're not sleeping enough and all of the smallest things become much harder to deal with.

561
00:48:21,631 --> 00:48:29,631
And we ended up speaking with a lady, this kind of quite catch all thing of like, oh, the baby's got colic.

562
00:48:30,091 --> 00:48:33,231
So maybe it's something to do with the mother's diet and the breast milk.

563
00:48:33,351 --> 00:48:36,531
And so you're like cutting out every single fucking ingredient you can imagine.

564
00:48:37,371 --> 00:48:45,911
And she was then teaching us about these different like movements we could use to like bounce the baby up and down on the shoulder and pat and all these different things you're trying to do.

565
00:48:47,131 --> 00:48:48,611
And none of it fucking worked.

566
00:48:48,611 --> 00:48:52,031
and it got to the stage where this woman's like you've got to shove something up its ass

567
00:48:52,031 --> 00:48:57,911
and try and make it shit itself to you know it's like like you know you can get those um i can't

568
00:48:57,911 --> 00:49:03,331
remember the right phrase for them but like um depositories essentially yeah depository yes yes

569
00:49:03,331 --> 00:49:07,631
it really like intervention it's like it's an eight week old baby what do you what do you mean

570
00:49:07,631 --> 00:49:14,671
that that can't be right and i was there ready to try and i was like no stop stop because i was just

571
00:49:14,671 --> 00:49:19,511
so desperate to try and solve the problem and what work was the chiropractor doing kind of cranial

572
00:49:19,511 --> 00:49:27,331
well the chiropractor was helping he actually the main help is he'd had four sons and he was just

573
00:49:27,331 --> 00:49:32,271
like guys you're fucking wrecked so just give me the baby and he could just calm the baby down

574
00:49:32,271 --> 00:49:36,851
and he showed us a couple of techniques for like helping to soothe it and stuff

575
00:49:36,851 --> 00:49:42,231
which is actually far more parenting than it was chiropractic work and he was just checking her

576
00:49:42,231 --> 00:49:47,631
over to see the skull and different you know skeletal stuff but um and he specializes in

577
00:49:47,631 --> 00:49:52,351
babies as well him and his wife they're really brilliant guy called dr simon floriani he's got

578
00:49:52,351 --> 00:50:01,871
some awesome stuff online with his wife jen as well um and yeah so what happened is on a i feel

579
00:50:01,871 --> 00:50:10,211
like it was a friday i was with cleo and trying to put her to sleep during the daytime and i just

580
00:50:10,211 --> 00:50:14,711
I got this really it's funny I've told this story today I've got some friends coming through town at

581
00:50:14,711 --> 00:50:20,111
the moment I just got this really intense feeling it's like oh I need to I had her on my arm trying

582
00:50:20,111 --> 00:50:24,611
to get this I need to hold her back she was here she's tiny right not even my length of my arm

583
00:50:24,611 --> 00:50:32,351
and I just got this building sense of like oh I'm gonna say something and I started talking and I

584
00:50:32,351 --> 00:50:37,331
started just saying the same thing over and over again which is you need to you need to leave you

585
00:50:37,331 --> 00:50:46,611
need to leave now you need to leave and even now my my hair's going off my neck and something just

586
00:50:46,611 --> 00:50:53,311
changed i got this huge rush of energy through my body like i was on fire and the baby just went

587
00:50:53,311 --> 00:51:00,251
limp in my arm and just fell asleep and i put her in the car and i come next to her like lost you

588
00:51:00,251 --> 00:51:06,591
never guess what just happened but i was i was like shouting at something i don't know it was

589
00:51:06,591 --> 00:51:17,171
fucking spooky and that night we had the worst night of the fucking lot and one of the angles

590
00:51:17,171 --> 00:51:21,931
that los had been researching was nutrition and one of the nutritionists she'd spoken to was a

591
00:51:21,931 --> 00:51:28,491
born-again christian and was talking about the devil and you need to get closer to christ

592
00:51:28,491 --> 00:51:37,731
and I wasn't ready for that at all at the time and that night Loz is like in the bed and I'm

593
00:51:37,731 --> 00:51:42,411
trying to bounce this baby up and down she's shouting so just Jesus save us and I'm like I'm

594
00:51:42,411 --> 00:51:52,231
not fucking saying that it doesn't fucking work and um anyway yeah just the the the feedback or

595
00:51:52,231 --> 00:51:56,951
the reverb from what I'd done at the lunchtime sleep to then the nighttime was like I just made

596
00:51:56,951 --> 00:52:13,723
that much worse what the hell is going on anyway one of our friends shout out to amanda she amazing acupuncturist She had done a retreat or had recently come into contact as a customer of a company a guy called Jason Parks

597
00:52:14,423 --> 00:52:19,683
And Jason is an energy healer and spiritual mentor.

598
00:52:20,863 --> 00:52:24,563
And I've subsequently got to know Jason really, really well.

599
00:52:24,643 --> 00:52:27,923
He's been mentoring me the last year, but this is the first time we came across him.

600
00:52:27,923 --> 00:52:31,723
So Sunday lunchtime, we take a phone call from this random dude.

601
00:52:32,523 --> 00:52:35,383
And it's just a phone call, not a video call, nothing.

602
00:52:35,943 --> 00:52:38,183
And we explain to him what we've been experiencing.

603
00:52:38,363 --> 00:52:40,223
He's like, okay, let me see what I can find.

604
00:52:40,443 --> 00:52:42,023
And he just, everything goes quiet.

605
00:52:42,183 --> 00:52:46,903
And he just disappears into this meditation.

606
00:52:48,163 --> 00:52:55,363
And he comes back and he's like, well, I can see the problem here is an elemental spirit.

607
00:52:56,203 --> 00:52:57,323
I'm like, what?

608
00:52:57,923 --> 00:53:02,083
It's like, yes, it's attached itself at birth to your daughter,

609
00:53:02,523 --> 00:53:06,443
and it's like clamped onto her back.

610
00:53:07,063 --> 00:53:09,903
She was always arching, like arching, like in pain.

611
00:53:10,823 --> 00:53:15,983
And his explanation was like spirits are everywhere,

612
00:53:16,123 --> 00:53:17,203
and you get different types.

613
00:53:17,203 --> 00:53:23,643
And an elemental spirit in this instance was disturbed

614
00:53:23,643 --> 00:53:27,063
about 60 meters underground when the property

615
00:53:27,063 --> 00:53:28,203
that we were in at the time,

616
00:53:29,063 --> 00:53:30,663
there was some construction work

617
00:53:30,663 --> 00:53:35,863
and it wasn't evil or angry necessarily,

618
00:53:36,203 --> 00:53:37,643
but just needed to be heard.

619
00:53:38,643 --> 00:53:42,283
And Jason was able to placate the spirit.

620
00:53:43,423 --> 00:53:46,403
And from that phone call onwards,

621
00:53:46,843 --> 00:53:49,003
we had a newborn baby.

622
00:53:51,843 --> 00:53:53,763
Yeah, I told you it was freaky.

623
00:53:54,443 --> 00:53:56,963
And what was so extraordinary

624
00:53:56,963 --> 00:54:06,703
about it was i physically experienced that and i cannot say it wasn't true

625
00:54:06,703 --> 00:54:13,963
now his explanation for what was there was the elemental spirit like maybe you can question that

626
00:54:13,963 --> 00:54:23,803
but i physically saw a child in blood curdling frustration relax and she just started improving

627
00:54:23,803 --> 00:54:30,183
hugely and she's now three and a bit years old and you know this is a a crazy story you're like

628
00:54:30,183 --> 00:54:39,923
what the fuck can like what is what is supernatural what is non-physical what the hell's going on out

629
00:54:39,923 --> 00:54:50,643
there what do we not know and yeah i mean what a wild ride being a parent is so i was i'm a born

630
00:54:50,643 --> 00:54:57,863
again pastor and my my eldest daughter and i have lived a previous life together and my second

631
00:54:57,863 --> 00:55:05,283
daughter you know i learned about spirits for the first time like what the hell wild right mate so

632
00:55:05,283 --> 00:55:10,783
yeah and i've got i've since got to know jason really well from that phone call and he he went

633
00:55:10,783 --> 00:55:18,423
and trained with the shaolin monks in china very advanced martial artist and meditator and he comes

634
00:55:18,423 --> 00:55:23,383
across all sorts of stuff and he does one-on-one consults and you can go to him with whatever

635
00:55:23,383 --> 00:55:29,603
problems you have and he'll work through it but it really makes you think about like wisdom and

636
00:55:29,603 --> 00:55:37,803
you know like what is a kung fu movie what's obviously a great film but like what were those

637
00:55:37,803 --> 00:55:43,783
guys doing well they were they were able to perform at elite level in a way that no one else

638
00:55:43,783 --> 00:55:51,883
could do why wisdom and they lived in temples what other shit do they know that we don't know

639
00:55:51,883 --> 00:56:01,963
and there's knowledge out there that isn't online you can't find it right so yeah i mean

640
00:56:01,963 --> 00:56:07,323
take it wherever you want but that was just yeah a couple of extraordinary experiences

641
00:56:07,323 --> 00:56:13,643
that's amazing child number three everything just just plain sailing child number three boy

642
00:56:13,643 --> 00:56:21,063
and thus far no no specific spiritual experience

643
00:56:21,063 --> 00:56:28,763
mainly like broken leg broken toe you know other more practical things that have to be dealt with

644
00:56:28,763 --> 00:56:36,023
general boy stuff i suppose yeah oh mate what i yeah

645
00:56:36,023 --> 00:56:45,523
and that's five years of incredible experiences uh that um and the rabbit holes that you find

646
00:56:45,523 --> 00:56:51,043
yourself in uh i know you've been sharing uh you've been down this rabbit hole as well

647
00:56:51,043 --> 00:56:58,323
beauchamp or pasteur the um yeah terrain yeah terrain and germ yeah absolutely huge topic

648
00:56:58,323 --> 00:57:06,983
why why did you go there what was the that was anything what pushed you in that direction

649
00:57:06,983 --> 00:57:17,443
my wife 100 my wife so um we were driving through melbourne and she was like oh well you know this

650
00:57:17,443 --> 00:57:20,323
is kind of along the lines of that stuff that they were talking about all those years ago

651
00:57:20,323 --> 00:57:26,143
to do with germ theory versus terrain theory i was like oh yeah what was that and then you know

652
00:57:26,143 --> 00:57:34,503
off you go um so some things just don't make sense i had a really interesting guy on my podcast

653
00:57:34,503 --> 00:57:40,143
called dan ostermeyer which if you get the chance go have a listen dan's a uh an emergency doctor

654
00:57:40,143 --> 00:57:44,623
in the states and he's just you know he's posting on noster which basically says it all right you

655
00:57:44,623 --> 00:57:48,623
know he's asking all the all the great questions like you know what is health and what is medicine

656
00:57:48,623 --> 00:57:54,543
and who are all these people organizing this stuff and when i was posting about this he

657
00:57:54,543 --> 00:57:58,863
reacted to a bunch of things we had this fascinating conversation he's the person to

658
00:57:58,863 --> 00:58:06,663
go and talk to to understand where this research currently is at but essentially the the the base

659
00:58:06,663 --> 00:58:17,503
layer for virology is built on absolute bullshit and the the discussion goes all the way back to

660
00:58:17,503 --> 00:58:23,903
the 1800s and a couple of french scientists in competition with each other trying to prove what

661
00:58:23,903 --> 00:58:28,503
was true or not true and louis pasteur is the guy that actually came up with the idea of pasteurization

662
00:58:28,503 --> 00:58:38,623
and it was commercial conflict versus sane sense and commercial one because hey they make money

663
00:58:38,623 --> 00:58:48,703
and so the very foundation of germ theory versus terrain theory is that you don't catch a cold

664
00:58:48,703 --> 00:58:58,103
cold you don't catch anything like if your terrain is healthy and as as what's the right

665
00:58:58,103 --> 00:59:04,763
and your vitality level is as high as possible and you are a happy healthy person you're not

666
00:59:04,763 --> 00:59:10,163
going to get sick and by terrain you're talking about like your immediate surrounds as well as

667
00:59:10,163 --> 00:59:12,143
the body.

668
00:59:12,443 --> 00:59:14,243
I'm talking more about

669
00:59:14,243 --> 00:59:15,963
the state of your body.

670
00:59:16,523 --> 00:59:16,663
Right.

671
00:59:17,783 --> 00:59:20,123
So, and again,

672
00:59:20,123 --> 00:59:21,643
this is just my read on this.

673
00:59:21,883 --> 00:59:23,223
I'm no doctor or scientist.

674
00:59:23,223 --> 00:59:24,803
I'm just someone trying to live

675
00:59:24,803 --> 00:59:26,083
the happiest, healthy life.

676
00:59:26,603 --> 00:59:28,523
And basically, it's very empowering

677
00:59:28,523 --> 00:59:31,943
because it's actually down to the user,

678
00:59:32,303 --> 00:59:32,983
down to the individual.

679
00:59:33,583 --> 00:59:35,083
You make good dietary choices.

680
00:59:35,083 --> 00:59:36,423
You make good lifestyle choices.

681
00:59:36,543 --> 00:59:37,643
You work out all the time.

682
00:59:37,923 --> 00:59:39,103
You're going to be totally fine.

683
00:59:39,103 --> 00:59:45,483
and like you can walk past the sickest person in the world and you're not going to get it

684
00:59:45,483 --> 00:59:53,423
but the the germ theory suggests that germs are moving around and you can be like you can catch

685
00:59:53,423 --> 00:59:58,743
something off someone and so what dan was specifically looking into was some recent

686
00:59:58,743 --> 01:00:06,523
research being done in france where they they basically they put they put these viruses

687
01:00:06,523 --> 01:00:18,523
into a petri dish and the virus will make a cell react in a certain way and they basically don't

688
01:00:18,523 --> 01:00:28,963
have a um uh what's the right way of saying it there is no when they do the testing they don't

689
01:00:28,963 --> 01:00:34,103
have a test without anything in it and they also lower the temperature of it so it's like if you

690
01:00:34,103 --> 01:00:37,823
just lower the temperature of a cell what happens to it well the same thing is what they're looking

691
01:00:37,823 --> 01:00:42,563
at when the virus gets put in there so well hang on that means that the virus doesn't do that it's

692
01:00:42,563 --> 01:00:46,883
just the degradation of the cell from the temperature what does that mean well that means

693
01:00:46,883 --> 01:00:50,543
that basically every single virus that anyone's ever said that they've actually managed to

694
01:00:50,543 --> 01:00:58,483
number one to um they call it isolating like covid19 has never been isolated no one's ever

695
01:00:58,483 --> 01:01:04,723
actually got it in one place and be like yeah we've got it here and so again very high level

696
01:01:04,723 --> 01:01:12,563
kind of like non-expert answer but the the ramification is very cool which is you know if

697
01:01:12,563 --> 01:01:18,303
you if you feed your children the right food and you supplement their diet correctly the only time

698
01:01:18,303 --> 01:01:23,983
they're going to get sick is when they're not at optimal health and so and we've had this problem

699
01:01:23,983 --> 01:01:29,543
many times where you send your kids into group environment we're homeschooling but we still use

700
01:01:29,543 --> 01:01:36,463
group environment um practices so you know they my daughter goes to something called the circus arts

701
01:01:36,463 --> 01:01:40,663
they do like trapeze stuff or whatever we go to the bush school and they run around on the beach

702
01:01:40,663 --> 01:01:44,763
and make campfires or they go to the farm and they you know pretend to be farmers or whatever

703
01:01:44,763 --> 01:01:52,543
there's always other children around and you can't stop that that's real life and sometimes

704
01:01:52,543 --> 01:01:55,663
they'll go for weeks and weeks and weeks and they'll be totally fine and then suddenly the

705
01:01:55,663 --> 01:02:02,603
whole house is sick and i i often notice that it's actually more relative to my own stress levels

706
01:02:02,603 --> 01:02:07,143
maybe like have we traveled somewhere it's quite a stressful process everyone's on high alert

707
01:02:07,143 --> 01:02:10,223
your terrain might not be as relaxed and as

708
01:02:10,223 --> 01:02:22,463
as relaxed and as strong as usual um so yeah it's it's a big old rabbit hole which

709
01:02:22,463 --> 01:02:24,863
How many times you go into hospital, it's like,

710
01:02:24,863 --> 01:02:34,996
oh wash your hands Okay why And they point to all of these different things in history where they say oh well that was the moment when everyone was able to like start washing their

711
01:02:34,996 --> 01:02:40,736
hands and everyone got cleaner so okay well is that true a very recent example is uh we've had

712
01:02:40,736 --> 01:02:47,376
problems with so okay the moment we are in Byron Bay really beautiful place on the east coast of

713
01:02:47,376 --> 01:02:55,576
australia uh tropical climate so humidity levels get right up 60 70 percent 28 to 35 degrees

714
01:02:55,576 --> 01:03:01,996
and there's mosquitoes everywhere and guess what they're itchy and the kids go and they itch their

715
01:03:01,996 --> 01:03:07,596
ankles and suddenly you've got an infected mosquito bite and there is a bacterial infection

716
01:03:07,596 --> 01:03:13,816
called impetigo or more commonly known as school sores that fucking loves it and so you can go

717
01:03:13,816 --> 01:03:17,856
swim in a swimming pool you go hang out at a kids party or you go to bush school and one of the kids

718
01:03:17,856 --> 01:03:25,236
might have school sores and before you know it like a bunch of them will pick it up why would one of my

719
01:03:25,236 --> 01:03:34,296
children get it but the other two don't like serious question and that happened so in december

720
01:03:34,296 --> 01:03:39,396
one of my kids had school sores all over her but the other two didn't have them and we were doing

721
01:03:39,396 --> 01:03:43,156
this crazy thing like swapping all the towels out and not bathing them in the same place and making

722
01:03:43,156 --> 01:03:46,676
ensure that they had full length clothes on the whole time so you couldn't touch them

723
01:03:46,676 --> 01:03:51,196
you know because they scratch these infected bites and then they end up putting on their face and

724
01:03:51,196 --> 01:03:56,256
they get them all over their face and whatever but it's like why wouldn't like you're telling

725
01:03:56,256 --> 01:04:01,236
me if this thing travels why haven't the other two got it they're literally living in the same house

726
01:04:01,236 --> 01:04:11,276
why haven't i got it so that very simple question shakes the entire thesis behind virology and if

727
01:04:11,276 --> 01:04:19,256
you were to do that the entire vaccine business is bullshit which you know is the pharmaceutical

728
01:04:19,256 --> 01:04:24,436
industry essentially and that's a whole nother rabbit hole of like how it's constructed and how

729
01:04:24,436 --> 01:04:31,656
they have no like it just it's mental right it's completely wrapped up in modern government you

730
01:04:31,656 --> 01:04:36,516
know recommended vaccine schedules you can't get into the kindergartens here they have a rule called

731
01:04:36,516 --> 01:04:40,656
no jab no play that's one of the reasons we started doing homeschool was because if you

732
01:04:40,656 --> 01:04:46,376
question any of their vaccinations for infants then you don't get public school funding okay

733
01:04:46,376 --> 01:04:52,776
cool talk about a carrot versus a fuck-off stick you know it's like yep you're not getting any money

734
01:04:52,776 --> 01:04:58,936
of us from the free kindergarten system that's set up which your tax dollars pay for because you

735
01:04:58,936 --> 01:05:03,516
haven't done the medical stuff that we want you to do and the first thing that the government does

736
01:05:03,516 --> 01:05:11,416
when these kids turn up check the vaccine records not are the parents married are they okay you know

737
01:05:11,416 --> 01:05:16,976
are they sunburned like are they happy have they got some friends no no are you up to there on our

738
01:05:16,976 --> 01:05:24,216
vaccine schedule um and that that's a whole nother thing of that what the hell like really what the

739
01:05:24,216 --> 01:05:30,776
fuck is going on like why are there so many autistic kids why and i met i met an autistic

740
01:05:30,776 --> 01:05:36,256
boy in a playground not long ago and the mum was like yeah his name is jack and he was he was walking

741
01:05:36,256 --> 01:05:41,076
around with an ipad in the playground i was like why would a child have an ipad in the playground

742
01:05:41,076 --> 01:05:46,376
and then i realized that he was sick and then i spoke with the mum and it's like yeah the day

743
01:05:46,376 --> 01:05:58,596
after his mmr jack he came like that and they're then like bullied out of society this is the really

744
01:05:58,596 --> 01:06:03,656
horrible thing is the the mutt they are all gaslit oh no no it can't be that it must be something

745
01:06:03,656 --> 01:06:10,176
else what were you feeding them that day you know and that's actually something that really

746
01:06:10,176 --> 01:06:17,456
can winds me up because it's just it's completely unnecessary to pump all these toxins into a

747
01:06:17,456 --> 01:06:26,276
child's body for them to be quote-unquote healthy by the age of 12 it's insane mate and

748
01:06:26,276 --> 01:06:33,076
you know before 2020 2021 i suppose before they started pushing all that stuff

749
01:06:33,076 --> 01:06:38,316
we were just in normland over here you know all the kids that had that stuff touch wood

750
01:06:38,316 --> 01:06:44,976
that um i don't know i just pray they all got saline solutions who knows like you know i'm

751
01:06:44,976 --> 01:06:50,296
talking about like you can't go backwards you can't go backwards and you you think you're doing

752
01:06:50,296 --> 01:06:58,116
the right thing at the time when you are gas lit as a parent and by the the trained um what's the

753
01:06:58,116 --> 01:07:05,416
the pdp pediatrician who uh is just telling you like you know here's the schedule bring him back

754
01:07:05,416 --> 01:07:11,556
like booking you in it's just absolute insanity and then when you learn about pastor and uh

755
01:07:11,556 --> 01:07:20,276
and you learn about bachamp's opposing theory and opposing hypothesis and how he was basic

756
01:07:20,276 --> 01:07:26,356
basically shut down and how Pasteur was lifted up by certain people and made the grandfather of

757
01:07:26,356 --> 01:07:31,656
microbiology, which I think is what says on his, you know, even if it's a Wikipedia.

758
01:07:32,056 --> 01:07:32,336
Is it?

759
01:07:32,616 --> 01:07:33,856
Yeah, it's crazy.

760
01:07:35,256 --> 01:07:40,096
I guess what resonates so much there though, Dan, is that it's that pattern recognition that you

761
01:07:40,096 --> 01:07:44,696
start to pick up. This is what a good investor is, right? It's basically just, it's pattern

762
01:07:44,696 --> 01:07:48,856
recognition. The next time my assets are 60% higher,

763
01:07:49,716 --> 01:07:53,816
I'll know what to do because it's pattern recognition and not what I did last

764
01:07:53,816 --> 01:07:58,116
time. Right. But, Oh, what a surprise.

765
01:07:58,516 --> 01:08:02,016
250 years ago, is it even that long ago? 1880,

766
01:08:02,116 --> 01:08:03,596
98, no 150 years ago,

767
01:08:04,536 --> 01:08:07,836
commercial interests drove the outcome of this debate.

768
01:08:08,756 --> 01:08:13,816
What a fucking surprise. Right. Sorry guys. No,

769
01:08:13,816 --> 01:08:18,796
actually i want to just i want to steer clear of your recommended medication and i will stick to

770
01:08:18,796 --> 01:08:26,816
taking the horse tranquilizer thanks very much cost nothing proves to work oh no you're now you know

771
01:08:26,816 --> 01:08:33,256
you're going to kill everyone's grandma because you did that what are you talking about like

772
01:08:33,256 --> 01:08:41,596
ivermectin it worked and it cost nothing right it's crazy mate there's uh another book you love

773
01:08:41,596 --> 01:08:45,856
Murder by Injection, which was written by Eustace Mullins,

774
01:08:46,176 --> 01:08:48,896
who was also the author of The Secrets of the Federal Reserve.

775
01:08:49,636 --> 01:08:51,196
Yeah, I haven't read any of his books yet.

776
01:08:51,296 --> 01:08:52,236
I need to get around to that.

777
01:08:52,616 --> 01:08:55,896
Yeah, so Eustace goes through like the whole,

778
01:08:56,456 --> 01:08:57,276
I mean, he'll go through,

779
01:08:57,556 --> 01:09:02,016
he goes through so much deep research and gets the receipts.

780
01:09:02,016 --> 01:09:04,816
That's the brilliant thing about his research.

781
01:09:05,276 --> 01:09:07,076
And he was writing this all back in the 50s.

782
01:09:08,076 --> 01:09:09,516
The Federal Reserve book,

783
01:09:09,516 --> 01:09:15,656
obviously the uh the vaccination motorbike injection that came later uh but yeah the

784
01:09:15,656 --> 01:09:24,096
the vaccination schedule i i can't even call them that anymore the jab schedules uh yeah it's can i

785
01:09:24,096 --> 01:09:30,576
ask you do you think do you think that it is a concerted euthanasia process

786
01:09:30,576 --> 01:09:34,836
is euthanasia the right word

787
01:09:34,836 --> 01:09:39,276
is it actually a process

788
01:09:39,276 --> 01:09:43,036
by which human beings

789
01:09:43,036 --> 01:09:45,336
are being tricked into killing their children

790
01:09:45,336 --> 01:09:49,416
for the greater good or however they might do it

791
01:09:49,416 --> 01:09:51,396
or is it a

792
01:09:51,396 --> 01:09:55,096
horrible set of incentives

793
01:09:55,096 --> 01:09:59,376
that someone makes money and that's why

794
01:09:59,376 --> 01:10:01,696
exists. I really

795
01:10:01,696 --> 01:10:03,276
struggle with this whole idea of like they

796
01:10:03,276 --> 01:10:05,156
do this stuff you know what I mean it's like

797
01:10:05,156 --> 01:10:06,776
whoa who?

798
01:10:07,716 --> 01:10:09,116
Tell me who

799
01:10:09,116 --> 01:10:10,556
and explain to me why

800
01:10:10,556 --> 01:10:12,736
but you know like

801
01:10:12,736 --> 01:10:15,116
then there you are

802
01:10:15,116 --> 01:10:16,916
on the plane and everyone's fucking

803
01:10:16,916 --> 01:10:19,116
watching Netflix drivel and Red

804
01:10:19,116 --> 01:10:21,416
and Daniel Prince are talking about reincarnation

805
01:10:21,416 --> 01:10:23,296
in the fucking pharaohs

806
01:10:23,296 --> 01:10:25,416
like I'm probably not the same

807
01:10:25,416 --> 01:10:27,416
way as he's been right now

808
01:10:27,416 --> 01:10:35,976
uh yes uh so to answer your question um always follow the money right and follow the incentives

809
01:10:35,976 --> 01:10:42,056
and we know that commercial interests are hugely at play here in the big pharmaceuticals

810
01:10:42,056 --> 01:10:48,416
uh and you can trace that all the way back to the flexner report and uh the rise of um

811
01:10:48,956 --> 01:10:57,336
the uh the rockefeller medical kind of empire uh social engineering is at play

812
01:10:57,336 --> 01:11:07,016
for sure eugenics is at play um is eugenics the word i meant not euthanasia right eugenics is the

813
01:11:07,016 --> 01:11:14,096
active culling of the population essentially uh yeah basically it's population control

814
01:11:14,096 --> 01:11:22,836
yeah wow and um the downstream that you never remember what book is i started reading and this

815
01:11:22,836 --> 01:11:24,856
may even be one of the ones I see you

816
01:11:24,856 --> 01:11:26,976
but then what we're dealing with

817
01:11:26,976 --> 01:11:28,836
I think as well Jake are the

818
01:11:28,836 --> 01:11:30,856
unintended consequences of these things

819
01:11:30,856 --> 01:11:32,776
which you know

820
01:11:32,776 --> 01:11:34,876
nobody knows look how they

821
01:11:34,876 --> 01:11:37,116
dress this stuff up as well like SIDS

822
01:11:37,116 --> 01:11:38,576
sudden infant

823
01:11:38,576 --> 01:11:40,716
death syndrome like it's so

824
01:11:40,716 --> 01:11:43,196
disgusting that gaslighting

825
01:11:43,196 --> 01:11:44,776
is so absolutely

826
01:11:44,776 --> 01:11:46,296
disgusting when people

827
01:11:46,296 --> 01:11:48,836
I've got it here waiting to read I haven't

828
01:11:48,836 --> 01:11:50,816
read it yet yeah where the fuck is this

829
01:11:50,816 --> 01:11:51,736
book I'm thinking of

830
01:11:51,736 --> 01:11:56,836
and they repackaged

831
01:11:56,836 --> 01:11:58,836
they repackaged that recently

832
01:11:58,836 --> 01:11:59,876
controlling the game

833
01:11:59,876 --> 01:12:01,256
what is it sorry

834
01:12:01,256 --> 01:12:03,756
Rockefeller controlling the game

835
01:12:03,756 --> 01:12:05,956
I started reading it

836
01:12:05,956 --> 01:12:08,196
and I just was so fucking depressed

837
01:12:08,196 --> 01:12:10,936
very quickly it's like

838
01:12:10,936 --> 01:12:13,096
you know third fourth generation

839
01:12:13,096 --> 01:12:14,816
of you know the richest oil guy

840
01:12:14,816 --> 01:12:16,876
in the world and they are setting up

841
01:12:16,876 --> 01:12:18,636
all of these non-profits that

842
01:12:18,636 --> 01:12:21,136
are helping dictate public policy

843
01:12:21,136 --> 01:12:22,896
and you know like

844
01:12:22,896 --> 01:12:24,676
the climate change

845
01:12:24,676 --> 01:12:27,056
movement has come out of

846
01:12:27,056 --> 01:12:28,996
an oil family for

847
01:12:28,996 --> 01:12:31,476
generations I mean it's just like what the fuck

848
01:12:31,476 --> 01:12:34,536
it was almost just too depressing

849
01:12:34,536 --> 01:12:37,376
it's a bad one

850
01:12:37,376 --> 01:12:38,116
I've read it

851
01:12:38,116 --> 01:12:41,436
it includes everything

852
01:12:41,436 --> 01:12:43,296
trilateral commission the council on

853
01:12:43,296 --> 01:12:45,316
foreign relations all of

854
01:12:45,316 --> 01:12:47,316
this you know the UN everything

855
01:12:47,316 --> 01:12:49,216
all of this philanthropic

856
01:12:49,216 --> 01:13:01,049
kind of charities that they set up It vile mate Like yeah It funny isn it though

857
01:13:01,109 --> 01:13:04,209
It is kind of like a movie.

858
01:13:05,049 --> 01:13:10,709
Like, if you were going to set up a front for something,

859
01:13:10,809 --> 01:13:13,549
you'd call it something like the United Nations.

860
01:13:15,289 --> 01:13:17,329
It's literally called that, you know?

861
01:13:17,329 --> 01:13:23,289
I remember when I moved to Singapore, the Ministry of Manpower was one of the departments that they had.

862
01:13:23,569 --> 01:13:27,629
And I always thought that was like a real dystopian name.

863
01:13:27,869 --> 01:13:30,129
But that's what it actually is.

864
01:13:30,849 --> 01:13:32,789
And the World Bank.

865
01:13:34,149 --> 01:13:36,149
No, not the World Bank.

866
01:13:36,609 --> 01:13:44,969
Actually, someone's printing press through which they force nations with stuff they want to take on large debt

867
01:13:44,969 --> 01:13:51,269
with psychotic dictators that happily pilfer their own country

868
01:13:51,269 --> 01:13:53,629
in exchange for a fat check.

869
01:13:55,369 --> 01:13:56,829
The World Bank.

870
01:13:58,389 --> 01:14:01,569
Like, it's laughable, isn't it, when you really start to think about it?

871
01:14:01,949 --> 01:14:03,369
Sometimes one's so conditioned.

872
01:14:04,069 --> 01:14:05,549
This is the school thing, right?

873
01:14:05,549 --> 01:14:11,849
This is what school actually does, is you're so used to the good guy.

874
01:14:12,989 --> 01:14:14,869
Oh, the United Nations, the good guys.

875
01:14:14,969 --> 01:14:20,309
is it i mean this is kind of what bitcoin does isn't it you know you get

876
01:14:20,309 --> 01:14:28,008
you get a bit more cantankerous and in some ways frustrated because it's like what

877
01:14:28,008 --> 01:14:33,369
what's the point of all this and then it's actually do you know focus on what you can control

878
01:14:33,369 --> 01:14:37,589
because that is just stuff that's just completely above your pay grade and it's just not even worth

879
01:14:37,589 --> 01:14:42,029
wasting time about if some freak in the united nations wants to talk about killing people with

880
01:14:42,029 --> 01:14:47,309
jabs go for it my kids won't be having them i'll be schooling them at home i'll be using

881
01:14:47,309 --> 01:14:54,289
independent money and i'll do what the fuck i want cheers and other ones you could get too depressed

882
01:14:54,289 --> 01:15:00,689
the way i kind of thought about it in the end mate because i i like you you know i was delving

883
01:15:00,689 --> 01:15:04,489
into these topics and i want to you know i was sick and tired of being lied to i wanted to

884
01:15:04,489 --> 01:15:10,629
understand more and the more you keep delving the darker it gets and uh i decided you know what

885
01:15:10,629 --> 01:15:18,309
you can't play 4d chess in your head with a psychopath you have never met like you are

886
01:15:18,309 --> 01:15:27,508
correct that is the absolute highway to hell so like you concentrate on your family concentrate on

887
01:15:27,508 --> 01:15:36,269
money like real money bitcoin opting out of uh systems that you uh that are no longer serving you

888
01:15:36,269 --> 01:15:38,729
or whether that's health.

889
01:15:38,969 --> 01:15:41,729
In your case, you've done that with the home birth thing.

890
01:15:42,169 --> 01:15:43,008
You made your decisions.

891
01:15:43,329 --> 01:15:46,809
You're not going to use their toxic pharmaceuticals.

892
01:15:46,989 --> 01:15:48,669
Same thing with education.

893
01:15:49,109 --> 01:15:50,289
Opt out of that system.

894
01:15:50,889 --> 01:15:51,968
That's the same thing with the money.

895
01:15:52,149 --> 01:15:53,488
Opt out of the monetary system.

896
01:15:54,309 --> 01:15:58,988
And live your life as best you can

897
01:15:58,988 --> 01:16:02,008
and stay out of the firing line as much as you can.

898
01:16:03,189 --> 01:16:05,389
It would actually be an interesting one

899
01:16:05,389 --> 01:16:12,029
when you talked about you know the the darkness that started kind of creeping in as you were

900
01:16:12,029 --> 01:16:20,949
looking at these things and searching for quote-unquote truth to um put that through a similar

901
01:16:20,949 --> 01:16:27,829
ai process like what i just did around like oh my god price is just created i've got apex

902
01:16:27,829 --> 01:16:36,689
commitments i've got lifestyle requirements i am not i'm i'm freaking out what do i do

903
01:16:36,689 --> 01:16:41,029
it could you could do something very similar and do it to like four or five different ones and see

904
01:16:41,029 --> 01:16:45,189
what comes back because it's probably going to give you similar advice to what we've already

905
01:16:45,189 --> 01:16:49,488
discussed essentially like you're worrying about something you can't control if you're worried

906
01:16:49,488 --> 01:16:55,549
about privacy i really like uh maple i don't know if you've ever come across maple but i had mark

907
01:16:55,549 --> 01:17:01,329
on my podcast recently and he's it's a privacy focused ai so some of these ai models are open

908
01:17:01,329 --> 01:17:07,029
source and therefore you can build products on top of that which protects the user data

909
01:17:07,029 --> 01:17:12,968
so obviously we need to type this stuff into chat gbt like where's it going who's storing it yeah i

910
01:17:12,968 --> 01:17:17,069
know exactly what you mean i was using rootster for a little while i wonder if rootster is still

911
01:17:17,069 --> 01:17:23,508
around uh the idea being the idea being that you would pay a few sats to rootster and then that

912
01:17:23,508 --> 01:17:28,869
you would ask it the question and then it would go out and collate the answers from different

913
01:17:28,869 --> 01:17:35,589
sources and then bring it back to you but uh okay that's my high level and my my guess like

914
01:17:35,589 --> 01:17:41,269
technologically is we'll see more stuff like that pop up and equally the cost of hosting your own ai

915
01:17:41,269 --> 01:17:49,149
will fall because actually i don't want to be talking to sam altman no but that guy is like

916
01:17:49,149 --> 01:17:56,889
off the radar sus like you know he's off the richter like that yeah what a fucking weirdo

917
01:17:56,889 --> 01:18:05,708
and and zark like these guys like i just would never trust them ever and that's okay like you

918
01:18:05,708 --> 01:18:12,869
can still use their tools just beware what you're doing um but what would be amazing is to have the

919
01:18:12,869 --> 01:18:19,508
the computing infrastructure yourself so how quickly this will happen i don't know but

920
01:18:19,508 --> 01:18:26,169
if you were to put 20 grand into some hardware you could probably build a pretty good ai of your own

921
01:18:26,169 --> 01:18:32,089
i was chatting not long ago with a guy called mike hardcastle we come across mike on nostr

922
01:18:32,089 --> 01:18:39,569
no no he's based in the uk actually um mike was talking about the different costing options for

923
01:18:39,569 --> 01:18:46,369
building your own ai because obviously privacy is a big problem if you think about how easily

924
01:18:46,369 --> 01:18:53,429
google have seeped into every part of your digital life they have your email they have your google

925
01:18:53,429 --> 01:19:00,909
sheets they got your google docs and if you're on the free gmail package you just have to like spend

926
01:19:00,909 --> 01:19:06,728
a few moments researching the small print and and your schedule clearly say calendar they've got your

927
01:19:06,728 --> 01:19:13,169
calendar they know exactly where you are you're pointing um it wouldn't take it wouldn't take long

928
01:19:13,169 --> 01:19:22,809
to fuck you up if they wanted to um all of this sensitive personal information is sitting on a

929
01:19:22,809 --> 01:19:29,809
cloud that google owns and you happen to be leasing off them for a very small fee frankly

930
01:19:29,809 --> 01:19:36,208
or for free but if it's free then we all know you're the user uh you're the you're the product

931
01:19:36,208 --> 01:19:42,728
so if you're able to and this is a rabbit hole i haven't fully gone down but i would love to at

932
01:19:42,728 --> 01:19:46,629
some point now i've bought a house i can make more long-term decisions because previously we

933
01:19:46,629 --> 01:19:53,809
would basically all in on bitcoin which worked brilliantly in some areas but a very this is

934
01:19:53,809 --> 01:19:57,988
another big big lesson that actually i really learned last year and i was trying to solve

935
01:19:57,988 --> 01:20:02,988
but on the hierarchy of needs food and shelter at the very very very first level

936
01:20:02,988 --> 01:20:09,289
and so when i started the process i had only one child a few years later i had three children

937
01:20:09,289 --> 01:20:15,849
we had no fixed permanent address no real estate of our own we had bitcoin that done really well

938
01:20:15,849 --> 01:20:21,029
like what is wealth it's just a number on a piece of paper in some ways if you don't have

939
01:20:21,029 --> 01:20:28,728
real world assets that you can use then it became extremely stressful renting properties i packed up

940
01:20:28,728 --> 01:20:35,309
17 times over three and a half years going from long-term rental into airbnb airbnb airbnb

941
01:20:35,309 --> 01:20:43,109
trip for a bit airbnb airbnb airbnb long rental airbnb airbnb it was brutal um

942
01:20:43,109 --> 01:20:51,748
where am i going with all this yeah i would love to set up one of those start nine servers and

943
01:20:51,748 --> 01:20:59,389
like photographs contact lists hosted all yourself maybe have a couple of bitax miners

944
01:20:59,389 --> 01:21:08,269
pumping away who knows but part of that hardware rig in your own house could be an llm that you run

945
01:21:08,269 --> 01:21:13,569
and you feed with whatever you want to put in there and if i specifically think back to

946
01:21:13,569 --> 01:21:19,909
kind of where this all started which is where my father died all the intellectual capital that he

947
01:21:19,909 --> 01:21:25,188
had on the day he died disappeared with him except for what he was able to transfer to me

948
01:21:25,188 --> 01:21:32,909
in the first 20 years of my life and his assets remained of which I inherited some and so I became

949
01:21:32,909 --> 01:21:39,988
an investor and I've spent 15 years figuring out like how do you keep your stuff and I made a ton

950
01:21:39,988 --> 01:21:46,649
of mistakes don't get me wrong by no means the finished product and this bear market's teaching

951
01:21:46,649 --> 01:21:50,168
me a bunch more stuff that I thought that I you know had a better handle on and didn't

952
01:21:50,168 --> 01:22:01,248
but if you could build a an AI that a family owns and that that information is yours you can put in

953
01:22:01,248 --> 01:22:08,809
it what you want and all that information is it's kind of like campfire stories on steroids

954
01:22:08,809 --> 01:22:13,769
if you think about how wisdom has been passed from generation to generation before

955
01:22:13,769 --> 01:22:20,269
it's word of mouth and obviously when books were created that made a big difference in libraries

956
01:22:20,269 --> 01:22:26,569
and the internet is again changing everything and then now now you have a financial advisor

957
01:22:26,569 --> 01:22:34,869
mentor spiritual guru for 20 bucks a month in your pocket anywhere in the world any time that

958
01:22:34,869 --> 01:22:41,889
you can pay for with independent money bitcoin it's crazy what's happened and it's actually when

959
01:22:41,889 --> 01:22:46,269
you think about it through that lens like deflation is everywhere except for in the money

960
01:22:46,269 --> 01:22:55,208
so hang on why the price is going up that doesn't make sense so in some ways what's going on right

961
01:22:55,208 --> 01:23:03,008
now i think is like bitcoin has sniffed out a massive fucking problem and global markets are

962
01:23:03,008 --> 01:23:08,529
about to get absolutely horrendous everyone's got their money wrapped up in the magnificent seven

963
01:23:08,529 --> 01:23:10,228
and they're using it as a savings tool,

964
01:23:10,688 --> 01:23:13,029
and no one's pumped any money up.

965
01:23:13,949 --> 01:23:16,188
But they still owe shit loads of money and interest.

966
01:23:16,708 --> 01:23:18,929
So at some point, the big print is coming,

967
01:23:19,149 --> 01:23:19,909
to quote Larry Lepin,

968
01:23:19,941 --> 01:23:25,601
at some point it's coming but it hasn't happened and i think we're in for a very very rocky like

969
01:23:25,601 --> 01:23:30,801
two three four months where it's not just going to be bitcoin that's taking a dive it's going to

970
01:23:30,801 --> 01:23:35,901
be a bunch of macro assets where everyone's like we don't know what's going on and it's because

971
01:23:35,901 --> 01:23:39,821
we're all drunk we're drunk with this fake money no one knows what it does no one knows what it

972
01:23:39,821 --> 01:23:44,381
means you can't price anything no one's got a clue what real value is just look at the houses that

973
01:23:44,381 --> 01:23:52,241
get built they're dog turned they fall to pieces in a few years and so yeah i don't know how i've

974
01:23:52,241 --> 01:24:00,261
got onto that rant but the the process of having an in-house an in-house ai would it have made

975
01:24:00,261 --> 01:24:04,501
yeah it would have made my father's death easier from a practical perspective

976
01:24:04,501 --> 01:24:07,361
because you've got this wisdom that you can just tap into

977
01:24:07,361 --> 01:24:14,321
so yeah we'll see if that's where the world goes but i wouldn't be surprised if that's what

978
01:24:14,321 --> 01:24:22,161
people start doing very interesting mate uh i want to bring it back to education because i know that's

979
01:24:22,161 --> 01:24:28,801
a topic that really interests you obviously myself as well looking forward to that rip with uh with

980
01:24:28,801 --> 01:24:33,641
red tail hawk that you guys are going to do i did that's what actually our first episode was uh was

981
01:24:33,641 --> 01:24:41,301
about learning how you learn uh i was and again these things happen for a reason i was gifted this

982
01:24:41,301 --> 01:24:47,681
book uh by my daughter because her she plays on a football team and the captain of her football team

983
01:24:47,681 --> 01:24:53,881
her father wrote a book and they have that in common my daughter's father me wrote a book as

984
01:24:53,881 --> 01:25:02,701
well and so uh she knew i'd love it um but again it's one of these dark dark it's called stiff

985
01:25:02,701 --> 01:25:09,121
upper lip by alex oh yeah this is what he texted me about i haven't yet read it yeah okay it's

986
01:25:09,121 --> 01:25:10,561
It's on my Kindle, ready to go.

987
01:25:11,061 --> 01:25:16,821
The subtitle is Secrets, Crimes, and the Schooling of a Ruling Class.

988
01:25:17,541 --> 01:25:21,621
So if anybody was in any doubt, even after the Epstein files,

989
01:25:21,621 --> 01:25:23,201
if you're still in any doubt at all,

990
01:25:23,501 --> 01:25:30,041
that our governments are run by psychopathic,

991
01:25:30,681 --> 01:25:32,861
and they're groomed this way, by the way,

992
01:25:33,081 --> 01:25:36,081
through the boarding school system, especially in the United Kingdom.

993
01:25:36,521 --> 01:25:38,141
So I'm talking specifically about the UK.

994
01:25:38,141 --> 01:25:43,521
I know boarding isn't so prevalent in perhaps Australia or America.

995
01:25:43,521 --> 01:25:47,921
Yeah, I boarded from the age of 8 to 18, so I'm very, very familiar with that.

996
01:25:48,021 --> 01:25:50,961
This book is going to blow you away, man.

997
01:25:51,681 --> 01:25:52,061
Wow.

998
01:25:52,661 --> 01:25:56,581
What school? I wonder if it was even mentioned in here.

999
01:25:58,281 --> 01:26:04,261
So the school I went to from the age of 8 to 13 was called Sandroid, which is in Wiltshire.

1000
01:26:04,261 --> 01:26:14,681
and then 13 to 18 was a place called brianston which is in north dorset so alex himself went to

1001
01:26:14,681 --> 01:26:18,541
well ended up at eton but went to a prep school i can't remember what the name of the prep school

1002
01:26:18,541 --> 01:26:23,341
was but he basically gabo mate would you know tell you exactly the same here so would rob brindan

1003
01:26:23,341 --> 01:26:31,041
uh you know the minute you drop off a seven or eight year old boy or girl at a boarding school

1004
01:26:31,041 --> 01:26:39,521
you've created uh the trauma of separation trauma separation anxiety yep and then you walk as that

1005
01:26:39,521 --> 01:26:44,241
young man i mean i don't need to tell you you've actually done it into this institution that is

1006
01:26:44,241 --> 01:26:50,281
full of complete strangers and back in these days when he was going to the boarding schools in like

1007
01:26:50,281 --> 01:26:57,881
the 60s and 70s flagellation and corporal punishment was an absolute no like no problem at all

1008
01:26:57,881 --> 01:27:03,061
like getting the whip getting the cane but then he starts going into the darker stuff as well that

1009
01:27:03,061 --> 01:27:10,541
was happening um a lot of it uh was you know the boys would be you know cuddling up to each other

1010
01:27:10,541 --> 01:27:16,521
in bed purely because that's the only way that they could feel a cuddle an eight-year-old boy

1011
01:27:16,521 --> 01:27:24,941
not being near its mother uh is you know again you've got that trauma there uh and you've got a

1012
01:27:24,941 --> 01:27:30,681
lot of unsolved trauma in in the back of your mind but what happens is a lot of these guys

1013
01:27:30,681 --> 01:27:39,001
uh they get they get empathy brick beaten out of them completely and they'll be totally

1014
01:27:39,001 --> 01:27:48,401
unempathetic by the age by middle teens and then when they go on to become you know the scholars

1015
01:27:48,401 --> 01:27:50,821
of Eton or wherever else that they might go to.

1016
01:27:52,461 --> 01:27:54,501
That's where we get our judges from.

1017
01:27:54,841 --> 01:27:56,141
That's where we get our

1018
01:27:56,141 --> 01:28:00,381
presidents.

1019
01:28:00,381 --> 01:28:01,201
They don't know love.

1020
01:28:01,541 --> 01:28:01,981
Prime ministers.

1021
01:28:02,161 --> 01:28:02,601
I couldn't think.

1022
01:28:03,001 --> 01:28:04,981
That's where we get our politicians from.

1023
01:28:06,281 --> 01:28:11,001
You're like, wow, this is crazy when you see it.

1024
01:28:11,001 --> 01:28:14,201
And then you look at our past politicians here in the UK.

1025
01:28:15,101 --> 01:28:16,301
They've all been through this, right?

1026
01:28:16,681 --> 01:28:18,161
Churchill famously.

1027
01:28:18,401 --> 01:28:26,621
He's quoted in the book Johnson, Sunak, Cameron, Blair, Brown.

1028
01:28:27,641 --> 01:28:28,061
Wow.

1029
01:28:29,161 --> 01:28:33,361
It's very interesting.

1030
01:28:33,921 --> 01:28:37,861
It actually was really making me quite emotional listening to you talk about that.

1031
01:28:37,861 --> 01:28:39,561
and

1032
01:28:39,561 --> 01:28:43,361
being

1033
01:28:43,361 --> 01:28:44,921
eight years old

1034
01:28:44,921 --> 01:28:47,881
and being dropped by your parents

1035
01:28:47,881 --> 01:28:49,561
at place

1036
01:28:49,561 --> 01:28:50,801
and left there

1037
01:28:50,801 --> 01:28:52,621
is fucked up

1038
01:28:52,621 --> 01:28:55,401
and what's so crazy

1039
01:28:55,401 --> 01:28:57,341
is

1040
01:28:57,341 --> 01:28:59,481
it's only

1041
01:28:59,481 --> 01:29:01,621
now that I'm really thinking

1042
01:29:01,621 --> 01:29:02,241
about that

1043
01:29:02,241 --> 01:29:05,541
so it was interesting when I first moved

1044
01:29:05,541 --> 01:29:07,521
to Australia about six years ago now

1045
01:29:07,521 --> 01:29:14,821
I did a fair bit of work with a psychologist and the therapy took me to a place I never expected but

1046
01:29:14,821 --> 01:29:21,781
I I didn't think of myself as an anxious person but at that time and this is around COVID I was

1047
01:29:21,781 --> 01:29:27,761
definitely struggling with anxiety I was drinking too much to like I would drink for like three or

1048
01:29:27,761 --> 01:29:35,521
four days and I mean I don't mean like um drunk all day but like Thursday oh yeah I'm gonna have

1049
01:29:35,521 --> 01:29:40,841
drink on a Thursday and you know Saturday Sunday still drinking you know like in the afternoon or

1050
01:29:40,841 --> 01:29:47,901
whatever and I realized that I was fucking exhausted and the booze was masking the tiredness

1051
01:29:47,901 --> 01:30:00,281
and also the anxiety and one of the reasons that I was struggling with that was from the experience

1052
01:30:00,281 --> 01:30:07,181
of trying to always impress my family

1053
01:30:07,181 --> 01:30:10,441
because I thought that was the way

1054
01:30:10,441 --> 01:30:13,001
to get accepted back by them.

1055
01:30:14,401 --> 01:30:18,781
And it is a abandonment reverb

1056
01:30:18,781 --> 01:30:21,661
where as an eight-year-old,

1057
01:30:22,361 --> 01:30:24,281
what the fuck has just happened?

1058
01:30:24,681 --> 01:30:26,541
I must have done something wrong

1059
01:30:26,541 --> 01:30:28,981
to be kicked out of the family home.

1060
01:30:28,981 --> 01:30:36,601
where is my mum where is my dad and my wife and I spoke about this relatively recently

1061
01:30:36,601 --> 01:30:42,581
this is before mobile phones I was sent to as an eight-year-old would have been 1998

1062
01:30:42,581 --> 01:30:51,881
1996 I was sent to school and maybe once a week you'd be allowed into a phone box

1063
01:30:51,881 --> 01:30:56,441
to like call your home and even though they were a 20 minute drive away which is actually pretty

1064
01:30:56,441 --> 01:31:01,581
close some people like three hours away some people had parents work in the foreign office

1065
01:31:01,581 --> 01:31:11,361
they were like literally living the other side of the world um i would see them potentially at sport

1066
01:31:11,361 --> 01:31:16,681
games so like i used to play a lot of sport and one of the reasons i like playing sports because

1067
01:31:16,681 --> 01:31:22,521
i thought my parents would come and watch you want their attention like why why have i been kicked

1068
01:31:22,521 --> 01:31:29,461
out and it just it's fascinating suddenly in my 30s i was questioning like well hang on a second

1069
01:31:29,461 --> 01:31:37,461
was that actually a beneficial experience and of course the pushback is like what the fuck why do

1070
01:31:37,461 --> 01:31:43,381
you leave me here oh well it's for your for your best interest mate we're paying for it that's like

1071
01:31:43,381 --> 01:31:50,281
the best education you can get shut the fuck up aka your emotions don't matter

1072
01:31:50,281 --> 01:32:00,881
and that breeds a sense of well i'm fine i'm fine and then you throw into the mix well actually some

1073
01:32:00,881 --> 01:32:06,641
of the most i'm not going to swear too aggressively but some of the most savage little buckers are

1074
01:32:06,641 --> 01:32:16,101
young boys and i don't remember a time where i ever shared a bed with a boy from fear but i

1075
01:32:16,101 --> 01:32:18,321
I remember two Spanish boys came over, brothers.

1076
01:32:19,121 --> 01:32:21,561
They got sent to learn English and stuck at our school.

1077
01:32:21,881 --> 01:32:23,021
Poor, poor, poor guys.

1078
01:32:23,161 --> 01:32:24,701
I can't even remember their names now.

1079
01:32:25,041 --> 01:32:27,421
They would share a bed, the brothers,

1080
01:32:27,741 --> 01:32:28,921
because they were fucking petrified.

1081
01:32:29,661 --> 01:32:31,861
Like they didn't really speak English, right?

1082
01:32:31,901 --> 01:32:33,121
And they were just left in this place.

1083
01:32:35,181 --> 01:32:37,721
In terms of like the sexual connotations

1084
01:32:37,721 --> 01:32:40,061
of what you're talking about with British boarding school,

1085
01:32:40,061 --> 01:32:43,821
I never experienced anything myself that was,

1086
01:32:43,821 --> 01:32:54,401
and thankfully you know like boy pedophilia type stuff but there was rumors strong rumors of like

1087
01:32:54,401 --> 01:32:59,921
previous headmasters there was a common joke that you know you get called into this guy's room and

1088
01:32:59,921 --> 01:33:07,341
you get given the the red hot poker i mean it was like that's not funny but everyone apparently

1089
01:33:07,341 --> 01:33:13,521
thought it was like kind of funny coping mechanism um yeah well exactly you're coping yeah

1090
01:33:13,521 --> 01:33:18,421
so and you're right about that idea of like where

1091
01:33:18,421 --> 01:33:27,201
even to this day some of my best friends from boarding school from that period of my life but

1092
01:33:27,201 --> 01:33:34,161
we didn't have parents we had each other so you you had this extraordinarily strong bond and you

1093
01:33:34,161 --> 01:33:39,921
got through it and i i won't mention their names they'll never be listening to this but one of my

1094
01:33:39,921 --> 01:33:53,614
Aussie mates came to our wedding and my friend was opening up in a circle of maybe four guys about actually how difficult he found boarding school and he been doing some therapy work and

1095
01:33:53,614 --> 01:33:57,794
it was really helping and he finished his whole story and my other friend just turns around

1096
01:33:57,794 --> 01:34:05,214
fucking pussy it was like one of those classic stories where it's it's an amusing joke but like

1097
01:34:05,214 --> 01:34:10,134
jokes on the guy that made that shitty joke at the end because he doesn't feel anything

1098
01:34:10,134 --> 01:34:17,694
he cannot feel and that same guy we made jokes about the fact that he can't hug

1099
01:34:17,694 --> 01:34:24,534
you give him a hug and they give this like awkward pat thing like dude i'm your friend

1100
01:34:24,534 --> 01:34:31,694
you can hug me it's okay and these people go on to be business leaders government officials

1101
01:34:31,694 --> 01:34:33,754
I actually

1102
01:34:33,754 --> 01:34:36,434
was at the wedding of Churchill's

1103
01:34:36,434 --> 01:34:38,514
granddaughter in the basement of

1104
01:34:38,514 --> 01:34:39,414
the House of Parliament

1105
01:34:39,414 --> 01:34:42,194
one of my mates from uni married her

1106
01:34:42,194 --> 01:34:44,254
so I know

1107
01:34:44,254 --> 01:34:46,134
these kind of characters in that sense

1108
01:34:46,134 --> 01:34:47,994
and it was an amazing experience

1109
01:34:47,994 --> 01:34:49,894
being able to do that in black tie

1110
01:34:49,894 --> 01:34:51,094
in the fucking House of Parliament

1111
01:34:51,094 --> 01:34:52,794
how unbelievably cool is that

1112
01:34:52,794 --> 01:34:54,634
but at the same time

1113
01:34:54,634 --> 01:34:56,774
yeah what a system

1114
01:34:56,774 --> 01:35:00,274
it's for your own good boy

1115
01:35:00,274 --> 01:35:01,494
get back there

1116
01:35:01,494 --> 01:35:03,714
and what does that teach someone

1117
01:35:03,714 --> 01:35:06,414
and so Gabor Marte is a great

1118
01:35:06,414 --> 01:35:07,654
example of this where

1119
01:35:07,654 --> 01:35:10,294
it's

1120
01:35:10,294 --> 01:35:10,834
trauma

1121
01:35:10,834 --> 01:35:14,334
and that trauma you carry with

1122
01:35:14,334 --> 01:35:15,934
you for your life

1123
01:35:15,934 --> 01:35:17,334
and

1124
01:35:17,334 --> 01:35:20,294
the ramifications of that is people

1125
01:35:20,294 --> 01:35:22,574
make poor decisions, poor choices

1126
01:35:22,574 --> 01:35:24,274
yet they're

1127
01:35:24,274 --> 01:35:25,114
apparently leaders

1128
01:35:25,114 --> 01:35:27,514
so

1129
01:35:27,514 --> 01:35:30,394
well, didn't expect to go

1130
01:35:30,394 --> 01:35:37,014
there tonight no interesting when i was reading this book uh i know i'd heard you talk about or

1131
01:35:37,014 --> 01:35:42,034
we'd talked about on past um podcasts about uh your boarding school experience and uh i remember

1132
01:35:42,034 --> 01:35:47,274
there's a few other bitcoiners out there as well freddie knew actually um last time i was out uh

1133
01:35:47,274 --> 01:35:50,954
having dinner with him he mentioned this book he said oh there's a book out there i really need to

1134
01:35:50,954 --> 01:35:54,934
get my hands on and it just so happened to turn up in mine so another like a little bit of

1135
01:35:54,934 --> 01:35:59,834
synchronicity there as well you know yeah you know how these weird things happen um but yeah for

1136
01:35:59,834 --> 01:36:04,754
anybody that wants to delve into gabble marty's work around that it's called hold on to your kids

1137
01:36:04,754 --> 01:36:11,154
is the best book uh to to look at that and um especially those that are considering homeschooling

1138
01:36:11,154 --> 01:36:16,654
as well because that he delves into not just boarding school but any any school in general

1139
01:36:16,654 --> 01:36:23,154
and it's getting even public school now that's the other thing right the orwellian nature of

1140
01:36:23,154 --> 01:36:28,294
calling a private school a public school in the united kingdom right it's it that's just so weird

1141
01:36:28,294 --> 01:36:32,054
Yeah, it's a charity. And that's how they function. Yeah.

1142
01:36:32,514 --> 01:36:47,994
So even Marte would say just sending a kid to like a state school at the age of four or five, whatever it is, it's the same sense of traumatic separation at the school gate right there at that moment, because you can't explain to little Johnny.

1143
01:36:47,994 --> 01:37:08,714
They couldn't explain to little Jake. They might have told you for a year in advance. So come your eighth birthday, a few months after that, you're going to be going to like big boy school or whatever. And you're going to get you're going to live there with other friends. You're going to make great friends. Or maybe they didn't. But even if they did, you still can't as an eight year old.

1144
01:37:08,714 --> 01:37:15,914
you can't rationalize it you can't take that in until the day comes where you pull up on the

1145
01:37:15,914 --> 01:37:22,854
gravel and the door opens and oh yeah your bag's packed in the boot like this is it now son like

1146
01:37:22,854 --> 01:37:29,374
it's it's mad completely mad and the weird thing that renton talks about in the book is

1147
01:37:29,374 --> 01:37:37,374
most parents will redo it to their own children come the time yeah the pattern repeats

1148
01:37:37,374 --> 01:37:41,894
yeah it's like a shared trauma

1149
01:37:41,894 --> 01:37:45,734
you know I was fine so you'll be fine

1150
01:37:45,734 --> 01:37:46,354
exactly

1151
01:37:46,354 --> 01:37:46,874
really

1152
01:37:46,874 --> 01:37:50,434
yeah and to put into context as well

1153
01:37:50,434 --> 01:37:55,634
the decision making that one does now

1154
01:37:55,634 --> 01:37:59,454
and this is why I've always loved podcasting the most

1155
01:37:59,454 --> 01:38:02,234
is why do people do things

1156
01:38:02,234 --> 01:38:07,214
and learning from them for that

1157
01:38:07,214 --> 01:38:15,534
that makes sense and so right now i've got three children of my own what makes the most sense and

1158
01:38:15,534 --> 01:38:22,194
i never expected to live in australia i made this joke many times but australia to me was like

1159
01:38:22,194 --> 01:38:28,034
the wallabies who england could never be fosters who had an amusing beer advert but you know no

1160
01:38:28,034 --> 01:38:33,334
one ever drank it dudes with flip-flops on and board shorts in fulham in the middle of winter

1161
01:38:33,334 --> 01:38:39,614
and maybe a gap year student you didn't go there you've missed home and away and neighbors i know

1162
01:38:39,614 --> 01:38:43,954
oh yeah of course and that too and here i am married to an aussie living in australia

1163
01:38:43,954 --> 01:38:51,874
and got three aussie kids and you know you just never pick these things right but the um

1164
01:38:51,874 --> 01:38:57,434
i can't remember where i was going with that yeah yeah and so the idea that i'd be living

1165
01:38:57,434 --> 01:39:03,894
in Australia homeschooling my children is not what the system taught me that's for sure the

1166
01:39:03,894 --> 01:39:11,134
system was repeat you know get a job pay tax make sure you get enough money to send them back to the

1167
01:39:11,134 --> 01:39:17,494
same institution that you went to before if you manage to do that you're successful so okay

1168
01:39:17,494 --> 01:39:25,194
what are the benefits of it and you know we've already covered many of the angles like well

1169
01:39:25,194 --> 01:39:30,954
actually maybe they're not quite as good as what you thought but most important is this idea of of

1170
01:39:30,954 --> 01:39:41,594
love and and self-connection and self-worth and if you are separated from the family unit

1171
01:39:41,594 --> 01:39:50,114
in such like literally like severed left like i haven't been parroted for 30 years at this stage

1172
01:39:50,114 --> 01:39:58,914
you know um when my wife and i were looking into this specifically to our understanding and i think

1173
01:39:58,914 --> 01:40:06,014
would say this too the most important period of time in a child's life is the first seven years

1174
01:40:06,014 --> 01:40:12,854
and really the most important thing in those seven years is primary carer contact

1175
01:40:12,854 --> 01:40:18,874
so the more time that you as the parents can spend with your kids until the age of seven

1176
01:40:18,874 --> 01:40:27,354
the better very very simple so even people that you know i know in some case people do this by

1177
01:40:27,354 --> 01:40:32,854
choice in some places in some ways they do this because they feel they have to but leaving an 18

1178
01:40:32,854 --> 01:40:37,854
month old child at a nursery or daycare center and going to work for seven or eight hours

1179
01:40:37,854 --> 01:40:44,934
fuck that like are you mental what are you what the hell that's not normal

1180
01:40:44,934 --> 01:40:51,534
and even you know five-year-olds spending five days a week from eight o'clock in the morning

1181
01:40:51,534 --> 01:40:59,094
till three o'clock in the afternoon in uniform in a room without a parent like and it's been

1182
01:40:59,094 --> 01:41:03,334
interesting because even some people that we feel like we've met along the parenting journey that we

1183
01:41:03,334 --> 01:41:10,774
have similar feelings to or similar thought processes to they're just sending their kids

1184
01:41:10,774 --> 01:41:18,614
to the local government school and it's because it's easy you know and everyone does it and

1185
01:41:18,614 --> 01:41:24,834
that's okay that's their choice you know i'm not going to shame them or judge them for it so it's

1186
01:41:24,834 --> 01:41:30,314
absolutely up to them but what's the best choice for us and our decision has been homeschool

1187
01:41:30,314 --> 01:41:35,114
and in this instance what does that actually look like well they're five three and one i don't sit

1188
01:41:35,114 --> 01:41:40,594
down and coach them algebra like we might go to the beach we might go to the playground we might

1189
01:41:40,594 --> 01:41:46,514
go to the cafe and get a baby chino and a ham cheese toasty we might have an argument over the

1190
01:41:46,514 --> 01:41:52,674
ipad i might lose my shit at like 5 30 because i'm so fucking over it and i finally get them in bed

1191
01:41:52,674 --> 01:42:02,494
and i do a podcast you know it's it's not it's not rocket science um but yeah i mean things that

1192
01:42:02,494 --> 01:42:10,034
concern me about about the the state funded education today that are just really obvious

1193
01:42:10,034 --> 01:42:17,114
red flags it's like is it a boy or is it a girl and and this this subject of gender filtering into

1194
01:42:17,114 --> 01:42:26,194
government approved syllabus at younger and younger ages like but what what is that and

1195
01:42:26,194 --> 01:42:33,534
it's not that that subject is completely off the radar and should never be allowed it's more that

1196
01:42:33,534 --> 01:42:41,874
the day that you leave that child you have lost autonomy over what they see hear think do

1197
01:42:41,874 --> 01:42:47,454
and again i'm not into brainwashing anyone but actually i think this might have been a book you

1198
01:42:47,454 --> 01:42:54,314
mentioned before daniel uh and i i've read it now and it's just excellent uh peter gray free to learn

1199
01:42:54,314 --> 01:42:59,814
yes and i've actually if you want to go back i've had him on the podcast dig it out

1200
01:42:59,814 --> 01:43:05,054
but I might have done it was definitely you that was talking about it and let's be fair as well

1201
01:43:05,054 --> 01:43:11,234
moment in time huge inspiration for me like homeschooling is real Jake Daniel did it okay

1202
01:43:11,234 --> 01:43:18,634
cool you know we can do this so thank you for helping head down this rabbit hole um but his

1203
01:43:18,634 --> 01:43:26,054
points that resonated most was like you think about hunter gatherer tribe the the children have

1204
01:43:26,054 --> 01:43:33,414
more autonomy to do what the hell they want in that scenario than anything else all the children

1205
01:43:33,414 --> 01:43:40,734
play together regardless of age and they're all safe because they have common sense we have it all

1206
01:43:40,734 --> 01:43:46,774
we've all got it you don't need some i'm gonna say like something rude about overweight vegan

1207
01:43:46,774 --> 01:43:51,894
lefty looking after your child you know but that's like it's like that's what there's actually

1208
01:43:51,894 --> 01:43:57,354
something that robert kiyosaki gets right because he's actually getting more and more painful but

1209
01:43:57,354 --> 01:44:18,307
the the school teacher dad that he had that was like work your whole life save for retirement and go fucking nowhere is in charge of teaching your child how to be in the world like is that the kind of character you want and i i don want to bash on teachers because often

1210
01:44:18,307 --> 01:44:25,307
they're such beautifully minded people about their intention their intention is strong and good

1211
01:44:25,307 --> 01:44:33,787
but they're just wrapped up in this system of just pathetic pointlessness where it's like

1212
01:44:33,787 --> 01:44:41,107
you're actually a drain you're a complete drain of course you vote left because if you didn't you

1213
01:44:41,107 --> 01:44:46,467
wouldn't have a job okay try entrepreneurship no no you want to teach a business class

1214
01:44:46,467 --> 01:44:53,927
what go and start a business mate you know and and the internet changes everything right so

1215
01:44:53,927 --> 01:45:01,307
you do not need to go to oxbridge to get the best education in the world in fact and going back to

1216
01:45:01,307 --> 01:45:07,947
where this conversation started you can you can get chat gpt subscription for 20 bucks on a mobile

1217
01:45:07,947 --> 01:45:14,087
phone that will teach you more about the specific scenario you're in and give you an answer faster

1218
01:45:14,087 --> 01:45:22,327
than anything else has ever been possible for that thing for 20 bucks done and so the way that we

1219
01:45:22,327 --> 01:45:29,227
the way that we sell package and consume information has forever changed but the school system hasn't

1220
01:45:29,227 --> 01:45:31,567
so you want my child

1221
01:45:31,567 --> 01:45:33,167
five and a half years old

1222
01:45:33,167 --> 01:45:34,547
to wear a school uniform

1223
01:45:34,547 --> 01:45:35,627
sit in a room

1224
01:45:35,627 --> 01:45:36,847
be taught by someone

1225
01:45:36,847 --> 01:45:37,827
with zero vision

1226
01:45:37,827 --> 01:45:41,187
who's scared of doing anything

1227
01:45:41,187 --> 01:45:42,087
than what they currently do

1228
01:45:42,087 --> 01:45:43,067
because they'll lose their job

1229
01:45:43,067 --> 01:45:45,087
will happily line up

1230
01:45:45,087 --> 01:45:45,847
and get the jab

1231
01:45:45,847 --> 01:45:46,967
because they'll lose their job

1232
01:45:46,967 --> 01:45:48,727
and

1233
01:45:48,727 --> 01:45:51,687
I could actually get

1234
01:45:51,687 --> 01:45:52,647
everything they know

1235
01:45:52,647 --> 01:45:53,547
in 30 seconds

1236
01:45:53,547 --> 01:45:54,267
on a mobile phone

1237
01:45:54,267 --> 01:45:57,487
doesn't make sense

1238
01:45:57,487 --> 01:46:03,447
so think about so you know that that's why we're homeschooling essentially we think we can do it

1239
01:46:03,447 --> 01:46:10,467
better ourselves and i am extremely dubious about the the the kind of knock-on impacts

1240
01:46:10,467 --> 01:46:13,287
and the negative externalities of not having them in your home

1241
01:46:13,287 --> 01:46:21,347
it's think like a 45 year old school teacher has been at school for 40 years

1242
01:46:21,347 --> 01:46:27,787
yeah fuck depressing that that's the only system they know

1243
01:46:27,787 --> 01:46:34,127
maybe i shouldn't be so harsh like depressing it's you know it's their choice like they could

1244
01:46:34,127 --> 01:46:41,907
do what they like but look the true mentorship is such an amazing gift and something that

1245
01:46:41,907 --> 01:46:47,467
people should be able to share with the world but they're not able to share it in that system

1246
01:46:47,467 --> 01:46:53,727
that system is not set up for mentorship that system is set up for reading and following a

1247
01:46:53,727 --> 01:46:59,307
textbook to the t and putting that shoving that knowledge down you know the kids necks

1248
01:46:59,307 --> 01:47:06,487
and uh woe be tied that you go and check an ai to see if there is another opposing like biology

1249
01:47:06,487 --> 01:47:11,887
right the kids are doing gcsc biology they're not going to have heard of bachamp like that is not on

1250
01:47:11,887 --> 01:47:16,667
the table if they come home and look at their ai and like oh yeah what about vaccinations how is

1251
01:47:16,667 --> 01:47:21,747
that going in the 1850s 70s whenever it was and ai says oh well there was two opposing theories

1252
01:47:21,747 --> 01:47:27,327
huh okay well that's interesting you bring that up at school and no that's not on the test what

1253
01:47:27,327 --> 01:47:31,447
are you talking about we've got a couple of young lads come to our bitcoin meetup started their own

1254
01:47:31,447 --> 01:47:38,867
podcast so shout out to those boys uh orange pill order is the name of the podcast and they're both

1255
01:47:38,867 --> 01:47:44,067
studying economics at a level and they they tell us the funny stories we're like so do you ever

1256
01:47:44,067 --> 01:47:49,967
push back like all the time but like at the end the teacher just turns around and says

1257
01:47:49,967 --> 01:47:57,067
lads if you want to pass the exam just put down the shit i'm telling you to put down on the paper

1258
01:47:57,067 --> 01:48:05,247
that does that make sense certificate so then you've got to ask who creates the curriculum and

1259
01:48:05,247 --> 01:48:11,087
who has the monopoly over the certification process and that will take you all the way back

1260
01:48:11,087 --> 01:48:19,027
to the same names who set up the general education board in 1902 and funded in 1903 by a secret

1261
01:48:19,027 --> 01:48:25,327
meeting in 1902 to set up the general education board in the united states um yeah was held by

1262
01:48:25,327 --> 01:48:32,267
rockefeller and uh six of his goons and funded by rockefeller with one million dollars in 1903

1263
01:48:32,267 --> 01:48:37,327
to start the general education board and anybody can go to the wikipedia page page of the general

1264
01:48:37,327 --> 01:48:43,067
education board, read that history. It's right there for you. It's not hidden. And then follow

1265
01:48:43,067 --> 01:48:47,827
the incentives from there. So, right. Okay. We now get to set the curriculum. That's brilliant.

1266
01:48:48,167 --> 01:48:54,467
And let's give them a nice shiny piece of paper. If they only put down the answers that we want

1267
01:48:54,467 --> 01:49:00,647
them to put down from the research that we have gleaned from the people we're paying over here to

1268
01:49:00,647 --> 01:49:05,567
do the actual scientific research, but we'll keep what the actual research is telling us.

1269
01:49:05,567 --> 01:49:18,387
We'll cherry pick. We'll teach to the other side of that so we can create our medical health insurance and pharmaceutical empire on the other side.

1270
01:49:18,747 --> 01:49:23,987
And yes, now we're just crazy conspiracy theorists, but all you've got to do is follow the money and read the books.

1271
01:49:24,467 --> 01:49:25,327
It's all there.

1272
01:49:26,547 --> 01:49:34,067
And it is deeply concerning, so much of this history and the obvious conditioning.

1273
01:49:34,067 --> 01:49:36,327
and it's like that phrase

1274
01:49:36,327 --> 01:49:36,647
like

1275
01:49:36,647 --> 01:49:40,707
history's written by the victor

1276
01:49:40,707 --> 01:49:44,467
and when you really

1277
01:49:44,467 --> 01:49:46,127
think about what that means

1278
01:49:46,127 --> 01:49:48,707
you just got half the story

1279
01:49:48,707 --> 01:49:50,567
what's the other

1280
01:49:50,567 --> 01:49:51,367
half of the story

1281
01:49:51,367 --> 01:49:54,047
and when that compounds

1282
01:49:54,047 --> 01:49:56,427
so the British

1283
01:49:56,427 --> 01:49:58,427
royal family is a good example of this

1284
01:49:58,427 --> 01:49:59,287
like

1285
01:49:59,287 --> 01:50:01,367
it's the same crew

1286
01:50:01,367 --> 01:50:03,367
just different names

1287
01:50:03,367 --> 01:50:07,067
for a long, long, long time.

1288
01:50:07,627 --> 01:50:08,127
How?

1289
01:50:09,887 --> 01:50:12,587
You know, and we all get taught the kings and queens of England

1290
01:50:12,587 --> 01:50:13,687
as part of our history.

1291
01:50:15,307 --> 01:50:18,967
You know, that's one of the reasons there's a public holiday

1292
01:50:18,967 --> 01:50:20,827
in Australia called Australia Day.

1293
01:50:21,047 --> 01:50:22,867
It happened just recently, end of January.

1294
01:50:23,287 --> 01:50:26,227
And it's become more and more and more contentious

1295
01:50:26,227 --> 01:50:31,587
because for the Aboriginal community in Australia,

1296
01:50:31,587 --> 01:50:37,307
it's like well no it was not a good day when those dudes turned up like i'm not celebrating

1297
01:50:37,307 --> 01:50:43,247
invasion day and of course it's then got politicized and there's the woke lefties that

1298
01:50:43,247 --> 01:50:47,227
are jumping on the oh ethnic minority let's help them out because we're you know so useless

1299
01:50:47,227 --> 01:50:50,647
ourselves we've got to focus on someone else's problem to make ourselves feel better bullshit

1300
01:50:50,647 --> 01:50:56,967
that is insanely painful just let some blokes smash some smash some beers and pop some sausages

1301
01:50:56,967 --> 01:50:59,047
on a barbecue and just get on with it, right?

1302
01:50:59,447 --> 01:51:02,067
But the point being is like,

1303
01:51:02,127 --> 01:51:03,547
who writes the history books?

1304
01:51:04,687 --> 01:51:05,647
What's real?

1305
01:51:07,047 --> 01:51:08,947
And that still gets me.

1306
01:51:11,447 --> 01:51:14,487
You can't not question everything,

1307
01:51:15,127 --> 01:51:16,207
absolutely everything.

1308
01:51:17,207 --> 01:51:19,327
And in some ways, it's very difficult

1309
01:51:19,327 --> 01:51:22,447
because it's just so unsettling.

1310
01:51:22,707 --> 01:51:24,287
It's like, hang on, what?

1311
01:51:24,707 --> 01:51:26,207
What the hell's going on here?

1312
01:51:26,967 --> 01:51:50,027
But what, so let me ask you, Daniel, what is, well, two questions come to mind, but as frustrating as the education system is, like, what is education? And if I could kind of tee that up, to me, I'm thinking about, okay, well, right now, homeschooling makes sense. And I love this idea of self-directed learning.

1313
01:51:50,027 --> 01:51:58,827
So if I can create an environment at home, and again, this ties back into the financial journey just recently, I was working on the wrong metrics.

1314
01:51:59,187 --> 01:52:03,947
I was optimizing for how many Bitcoin I might have had and how much that was as a net asset.

1315
01:52:03,947 --> 01:52:19,467
But really, my job is as a provider and as a durability layer and a stability function and a calm base for this family unit to survive.

1316
01:52:20,027 --> 01:52:23,007
And so what's education for them?

1317
01:52:23,247 --> 01:52:25,047
It depends what they're interested in.

1318
01:52:25,647 --> 01:52:30,207
But what's helped me most in my life is the ability to do my own work.

1319
01:52:31,827 --> 01:52:38,587
You know, like a great example of this from a more academic perspective is I did economics, shitloads of it.

1320
01:52:38,787 --> 01:52:40,207
I did a business management degree.

1321
01:52:41,047 --> 01:52:43,447
I have a Bachelor of Arts in business management.

1322
01:52:44,287 --> 01:52:48,347
That had microeconomics, that had macroeconomics, that had maths and statistics.

1323
01:52:48,347 --> 01:52:54,587
i was a complete keynesian fucking idiot basically and you come across this thing called bitcoin you're

1324
01:52:54,587 --> 01:53:00,907
like hang on what's sound money wait hang on who's karl menger hang on who's lubbik von meises

1325
01:53:00,907 --> 01:53:08,767
hang on a second what the this actually makes sense hang on so economics is about human action

1326
01:53:08,767 --> 01:53:15,627
yeah oh that was me thinking it was all about i'm going to tweak the interest rate and that's

1327
01:53:15,627 --> 01:53:19,187
going to play around with demand and now everyone's going to have a bit more disposable income

1328
01:53:19,187 --> 01:53:23,727
and that's going to mess around with inflation but don't worry we can handle that because actually

1329
01:53:23,727 --> 01:53:30,667
we'll just play around with the money that doesn't make sense does not make what so three

1330
01:53:30,667 --> 01:53:38,947
80 year old dudes can set the price of money no that's dumb that's the cost of capital that dude's

1331
01:53:38,947 --> 01:53:44,267
more risky than this dude okay cool well his interest rates higher than this guy not one

1332
01:53:44,267 --> 01:53:52,027
blanket number for the whole market doesn't make sense so yeah wow okay this is the ranting's good

1333
01:53:52,027 --> 01:54:00,767
isn't it uh what does education mean though daniel you know so what is memorization important well

1334
01:54:00,767 --> 01:54:06,807
yes but maybe not as important as it used to be so if i was a lawyer right now i'd be shitting it

1335
01:54:06,807 --> 01:54:13,167
right if i was a any all the white collar professional services that all of the boarding

1336
01:54:13,167 --> 01:54:16,367
the school guys that I grew up with are now doing those jobs,

1337
01:54:17,547 --> 01:54:19,347
they're under the pump.

1338
01:54:19,747 --> 01:54:20,547
They've got to be, right?

1339
01:54:20,887 --> 01:54:23,387
The lawyers, the accountants, the architects,

1340
01:54:24,087 --> 01:54:27,707
like making big money doing all these apparently very important jobs

1341
01:54:27,707 --> 01:54:29,887
that now – I saw a stat recently.

1342
01:54:30,587 --> 01:54:44,079
It used to take six people six weeks to put together an IPO prospectus AI does that in now minutes 95 So what are you going to get paid for

1343
01:54:44,179 --> 01:54:47,039
You're still going to get paid for insight and wisdom.

1344
01:54:47,599 --> 01:54:49,299
And if you're the guy that gets paid for that,

1345
01:54:49,339 --> 01:54:50,979
you'll actually probably get paid even better

1346
01:54:50,979 --> 01:54:53,119
because you're now extremely efficient

1347
01:54:53,119 --> 01:54:56,339
and you don't need a team of people to do your IPO prospectus.

1348
01:54:56,339 --> 01:54:59,259
You can do it yourself and still sell the same thing.

1349
01:54:59,919 --> 01:55:05,099
but yeah where's education going like how do you provide for that in the future

1350
01:55:05,099 --> 01:55:12,519
obviously we make it up as we go along but i'm intrigued like where do you see it all going

1351
01:55:12,519 --> 01:55:18,659
yeah i like because some of your kids have ended up at school so yeah we may not plan but also of

1352
01:55:18,659 --> 01:55:25,999
course that's their choice so yeah we've had a mix but um when they were young like the self-directed

1353
01:55:25,999 --> 01:55:32,559
education I thought was really very very important and that's what I gleaned from Peter Gray reading

1354
01:55:32,559 --> 01:55:40,899
his work John Holt reading his work and Naomi Fisher as well you know reading her work and the

1355
01:55:40,899 --> 01:55:48,299
idea there basically being you know how do you quantify education at such a young age and but we

1356
01:55:48,299 --> 01:55:56,059
are programmed into believing little johnny should be reading xyz books by the age of four or five

1357
01:55:56,059 --> 01:55:59,459
you've got to be grade three by then you've got to be great otherwise you're being going to be

1358
01:55:59,459 --> 01:56:03,139
left behind and all this kind of stuff all of this pressure again on the parents right

1359
01:56:03,139 --> 01:56:10,779
sell the fear but the self-directed education method which isn't really a method this is the

1360
01:56:10,779 --> 01:56:17,179
natural way if you go back throughout human history yeah it's just normal it's normal like

1361
01:56:17,179 --> 01:56:25,599
oh look they're interested in picking up a pencil and like making scribbles on pieces of paper so

1362
01:56:25,599 --> 01:56:31,519
just get more paper more paper and more more pencils yeah it's that simple as a parent uh

1363
01:56:31,519 --> 01:56:35,679
or they're interested in picking up a musical instrument okay let's go buy a second hand guitar

1364
01:56:35,679 --> 01:56:40,299
or something and put that in the put that in their lap and it doesn't have to be a birthday present

1365
01:56:40,299 --> 01:56:44,899
it doesn't have to be a christmas present doesn't have to be this great big thing you've got to wait

1366
01:56:44,899 --> 01:56:50,599
for it's like no as the parent get in their way when you see an interest when you see a flicker

1367
01:56:50,599 --> 01:56:55,919
of light a spark they like climbing trees take them to the local climbing club or something you

1368
01:56:55,919 --> 01:57:01,039
know it might all be gone and done within three or four weeks that the interest might have moved on

1369
01:57:01,039 --> 01:57:05,199
but that's the fun thing because they might have learned what they needed to learn because okay

1370
01:57:05,199 --> 01:57:10,679
i'm done with that now on to the next thing whereas parents make the mistake of all right okay here's

1371
01:57:10,679 --> 01:57:15,839
the guitar uh we've booked you in for like a six-week course lessons we're going to take you

1372
01:57:15,839 --> 01:57:21,059
to a place they're going to teach you how to play it i didn't want to like a five-year-old might

1373
01:57:21,059 --> 01:57:27,539
just want to sit there play with her and then done weeks later and that is to them learn move on

1374
01:57:27,539 --> 01:57:36,719
next thing always changing always moving always learning always learning every second of every day

1375
01:57:36,719 --> 01:57:45,019
yeah i feel like that's that's the i i heard pete winn talk about this recently so shout out to pete

1376
01:57:45,019 --> 01:57:53,539
wasn't even that recently but the he did a podcast with gg that i tuned into and they were talking

1377
01:57:53,539 --> 01:58:01,279
about the speed of iteration when you've got technology to play with which is bitcoin ai and

1378
01:58:01,279 --> 01:58:09,459
NOSTA together and it was essentially the the speed of iteration for entrepreneurship is so fast

1379
01:58:09,459 --> 01:58:16,299
now and you've got to be trying new stuff every day because ultimately the computers are figuring

1380
01:58:16,299 --> 01:58:20,979
out how to do the stuff that you were doing last week and so if you want to continue to create a

1381
01:58:20,979 --> 01:58:27,459
margin in a world that is deflationary and backed by censorship resistant money censorship

1382
01:58:27,459 --> 01:58:36,779
resistant communication and ai then you need to have the ability to create faster than that system

1383
01:58:36,779 --> 01:58:45,359
to get paid and that's basically what you just described always learning and i don't think our

1384
01:58:45,359 --> 01:58:52,119
our school system does that like by design by design it absolutely shatters the desire to learn

1385
01:58:52,119 --> 01:59:00,419
the love of learning is gone within week one generally because as a five or six year old

1386
01:59:00,419 --> 01:59:10,019
even if you survive uh like a a half decent nurturing primary school by the time you're

1387
01:59:10,019 --> 01:59:14,979
11 and you get to that secondary stage like forget it man like you know you are absolutely

1388
01:59:14,979 --> 01:59:20,879
pounded with the nine to ten gcse's that you're expected to get you know c grades or above four

1389
01:59:20,879 --> 01:59:27,259
they don't even use letters anymore do they i don't know what they do uh so but then you've got

1390
01:59:27,259 --> 01:59:32,739
a geography class first thing in the morning then you move into science then you have a short break

1391
01:59:32,739 --> 01:59:37,199
then you move into english lit then you have another short break or some lunch or you eat some

1392
01:59:37,199 --> 01:59:43,159
like nutritionally dead food and then you finish off the day with like a double math or something

1393
01:59:43,159 --> 01:59:49,259
and then off you go home and you know rinse and repeat and by friday you're exhausted you're done

1394
01:59:49,259 --> 01:59:54,779
you resent books you don't want to be your social battery is completely drained you don't want to

1395
01:59:54,779 --> 02:00:00,619
see another adult because the adult in the room to you represents the teacher who holds the power

1396
02:00:00,619 --> 02:00:08,799
over you and um can make your life hell basically uh by by virtue of the the grade they're going to

1397
02:00:08,799 --> 02:00:16,299
give you next week which you completely read all weekend like we're doing this to kids man like

1398
02:00:16,299 --> 02:00:24,479
this is nonsense uh so ken robinson said um he was talking about adhd the rise of uh you know

1399
02:00:24,479 --> 02:00:30,899
he's like well don't be surprised if you ask an eight-year-old to do low-grade clerical work for

1400
02:00:30,899 --> 02:00:36,619
seven hours a day five days a week if they might fidget during the day you know and force them

1401
02:00:36,619 --> 02:00:40,819
into clothing that they would never choose to wear like it's insanity

1402
02:00:40,819 --> 02:00:50,439
yeah the the the the pharmaceutical angle is a really a really pretty horrible one isn't it

1403
02:00:50,439 --> 02:00:58,819
so well a small boy is designed just to run and run and run and run and you want him to sit

1404
02:00:58,819 --> 02:01:06,619
and sit and sit and sit it's no surprise he's going insane and then you want to dose him up

1405
02:01:06,619 --> 02:01:10,479
with whatever you know uh it's actually

1406
02:01:10,479 --> 02:01:19,519
what i hate the most when i see that happening is when parents are told that their child is a

1407
02:01:19,519 --> 02:01:26,639
problem and then the parent instead of being like huh maybe the system is the problem they're like

1408
02:01:26,639 --> 02:01:30,859
oh yeah it must be the child's fault because then it's not their fault and it's like oh recommend

1409
02:01:30,859 --> 02:01:37,599
me something to solve the problem are now they're taking ritalin you've you've hit it this isn't

1410
02:01:37,599 --> 02:01:41,839
you're kidding me right this is called the brain or blame dilemma

1411
02:01:41,839 --> 02:01:49,059
as coined by naomi fisher who was a child psychologist and she was a psychologist here

1412
02:01:49,059 --> 02:01:53,939
in the uk in the system and i've listened to a podcast episode you did with her for sure

1413
02:01:53,939 --> 02:01:59,379
so that might be where i just heard that actually thinking about it but like she's she nails it

1414
02:01:59,379 --> 02:02:05,879
because you know she had a two-year waiting list out of her door for parents basically begging for

1415
02:02:05,879 --> 02:02:12,199
diagnosis because the brain is um you know oh there's something wrong with your child's brain

1416
02:02:12,199 --> 02:02:19,299
so the blame is like oh it's not me on the parent it's like oh there's something so you get caught

1417
02:02:19,299 --> 02:02:25,139
exactly as you just uh described um but never question the system never question the terrain

1418
02:02:25,139 --> 02:02:28,319
that the child is in and surrounded by.

1419
02:02:29,479 --> 02:02:38,759
I wonder how could one see or expect a shift or a change at scale?

1420
02:02:40,379 --> 02:02:43,939
And speaking just from my very personal experience,

1421
02:02:44,519 --> 02:02:49,739
having three children at home between two of you full time is exhausting.

1422
02:02:49,739 --> 02:02:51,119
Oh, yeah.

1423
02:02:51,119 --> 02:02:59,159
And even having the time and space do it, that's very unusual.

1424
02:02:59,659 --> 02:03:04,059
If I hadn't bought Bitcoin at a good time, I'm 37 years old.

1425
02:03:04,059 --> 02:03:08,739
I should really be on a construction site from 7 in the morning until at least 3 p.m.

1426
02:03:09,099 --> 02:03:14,419
and out of the house all day, which would leave three small kids with one mother all day,

1427
02:03:14,519 --> 02:03:16,799
which would eventually break them too.

1428
02:03:16,799 --> 02:03:24,079
so homeschooling as an option has its hurdles there's no doubt about that and school

1429
02:03:24,079 --> 02:03:30,639
in some ways solves those problems when there's the need to work so if you've got both parents

1430
02:03:30,639 --> 02:03:36,179
working you can't homeschool now are they both working out of choice or out of necessity

1431
02:03:36,179 --> 02:03:43,799
i don't know everyone's situation is different but i wonder how it would be possible to homeschool

1432
02:03:43,799 --> 02:03:54,019
at scale more when work is a requirement you know your time is valuable and you get paid for your

1433
02:03:54,019 --> 02:03:59,839
time and that's what pays the bills so i don't know how that changes all too quickly

1434
02:03:59,839 --> 02:04:09,459
um obviously it's it requires a healthy appetite of like i got to do things differently and you

1435
02:04:09,459 --> 02:04:15,219
meet people all the time doing things differently so you can do it some people are lazy there's no

1436
02:04:15,219 --> 02:04:20,039
two ways about it some people are scared some people feel social pressure you know all those

1437
02:04:20,039 --> 02:04:26,579
different things add up as well but um that the physical hands-on nature of having children

1438
02:04:26,579 --> 02:04:32,579
with you all the time is in itself a challenge so i don't know how

1439
02:04:32,579 --> 02:04:39,679
how more people could do it in a sense like you know it's like oh wouldn't it be great if everyone

1440
02:04:39,679 --> 02:04:45,679
just homeschooled their kids sure but it's a full-time job you can't do anything else almost

1441
02:04:45,679 --> 02:04:50,879
so i don't know how that you know what i mean if we were to be like all

1442
02:04:50,879 --> 02:04:55,319
roasted into glasses and get the world you know taking responsibility for their own children i

1443
02:04:55,319 --> 02:04:57,899
don't i don't know how you actually solve some of those problems because

1444
02:04:57,899 --> 02:04:59,879
you know then the accountants wouldn't be

1445
02:04:59,912 --> 02:05:03,892
at work and then the lawyers wouldn't be at work and then the construction site would be empty and

1446
02:05:03,892 --> 02:05:10,492
it just doesn't work and that i guess is then the the division of labor and we're not in hunter

1447
02:05:10,492 --> 02:05:16,712
gatherer tribes any longer we live in mega cities with millions and millions of people all with like

1448
02:05:16,712 --> 02:05:21,772
ultra new skills that trade with each other all day long benefiting from the network effects

1449
02:05:21,772 --> 02:05:28,572
and the power law that is a city so again that's not going to reverse it's going to continue so i

1450
02:05:28,572 --> 02:05:31,332
I don't know how I see it playing out, I guess.

1451
02:05:32,232 --> 02:05:34,272
I love the question, what does the ultimate,

1452
02:05:36,012 --> 02:05:37,692
what does a 25-year-old look like?

1453
02:05:38,512 --> 02:05:39,612
Like, where are you trying to get to?

1454
02:05:40,452 --> 02:05:42,792
And I've not spent enough time, admittedly,

1455
02:05:42,852 --> 02:05:44,652
even really thinking about that, to be honest,

1456
02:05:44,812 --> 02:05:47,452
because I've been doing other stuff.

1457
02:05:47,732 --> 02:05:49,732
But, you know, that's the goal.

1458
02:05:50,012 --> 02:05:52,272
Like, what is a well-rounded 25-year-old?

1459
02:05:52,272 --> 02:05:54,752
Like, what are the most basic skills that they need to have

1460
02:05:54,752 --> 02:05:56,272
to thrive in their own lives?

1461
02:05:56,272 --> 02:06:01,352
obviously understanding money understanding physical health understanding food understanding

1462
02:06:01,352 --> 02:06:07,052
how to communicate understanding how to learn actually it's what red described learning as

1463
02:06:07,052 --> 02:06:11,652
learning is love that's how he described it in our pod that's about to come out

1464
02:06:11,652 --> 02:06:17,992
nice that really resonated with me so well you're like oh my god a school doesn't give you love

1465
02:06:17,992 --> 02:06:25,112
no so it's not learning so it's interesting you know what would a 25 year old look like and then

1466
02:06:25,112 --> 02:06:29,432
you listed all those attributes and if you look at a 25 year old today they meet almost none of them

1467
02:06:29,432 --> 02:06:35,592
you've got someone who doesn't understand money who is in debt already by virtue of going to the

1468
02:06:35,592 --> 02:06:41,552
university system you know they'll come out with uh tens of thousands of pounds if not hundreds of

1469
02:06:41,552 --> 02:06:47,992
thousands of dollars depending on you know where you live in the world uh in debt uh their love of

1470
02:06:47,992 --> 02:06:53,432
learning has was crushed as we talked about so that they might have managed to get themselves a

1471
02:06:53,432 --> 02:06:57,832
job and they'll be learning on the job as a necessity rather than a love.

1472
02:06:57,832 --> 02:07:00,392
And they'll generally just take the first thing that comes up.

1473
02:07:00,912 --> 02:07:03,832
It won't be something they studied. Yeah.

1474
02:07:05,192 --> 02:07:12,112
Just readdressing some of those things for a 25 year old would be incredible.

1475
02:07:12,232 --> 02:07:18,072
Like the debt burden, first of all, because, you know, that's the incentive.

1476
02:07:18,172 --> 02:07:22,012
That's the invisible hand, right. That is going to guide your decisions.

1477
02:07:22,012 --> 02:07:22,452
Yeah.

1478
02:07:23,432 --> 02:07:26,572
and Bitcoin is an answer, right?

1479
02:07:26,712 --> 02:07:30,012
You know, for our kids, for Bitcoin families,

1480
02:07:30,752 --> 02:07:35,752
I hope that, you know, when our young kids,

1481
02:07:35,872 --> 02:07:39,732
my oldest now is 20, so yours is five.

1482
02:07:40,332 --> 02:07:44,512
So, you know, when yours becomes 25,

1483
02:07:46,972 --> 02:07:49,932
having learned so much from you and your wife

1484
02:07:49,932 --> 02:07:54,232
and being around you both for so much of that journey

1485
02:07:54,232 --> 02:08:00,472
will carry them all in one significant manner

1486
02:08:00,472 --> 02:08:02,952
and hopefully learning about money as well

1487
02:08:02,952 --> 02:08:04,792
because you're a Bitcoiner.

1488
02:08:05,112 --> 02:08:06,472
You talk about money on the internet.

1489
02:08:08,292 --> 02:08:11,432
There's a brilliant kids book called Rhyming Bitcoin

1490
02:08:11,432 --> 02:08:14,092
that even Ruby says,

1491
02:08:14,192 --> 02:08:15,692
oh, dad, I know what your favorite book is.

1492
02:08:15,772 --> 02:08:16,332
I was like, what do you mean?

1493
02:08:16,512 --> 02:08:17,212
Rhyming Bitcoin.

1494
02:08:17,712 --> 02:08:18,872
I'm like, yeah, good one.

1495
02:08:19,932 --> 02:08:22,632
But 20 years from now is 2046.

1496
02:08:23,492 --> 02:08:28,032
So just to play a game for a second in terms of the timeline that we're on.

1497
02:08:28,872 --> 02:08:32,852
Now, I mean, well, it's now been over 10 years since I've owned Bitcoin.

1498
02:08:33,752 --> 02:08:35,932
December 2015 was when I first bought some.

1499
02:08:37,392 --> 02:08:39,532
And what an insane return.

1500
02:08:39,892 --> 02:08:41,192
I mean, it's just nuts, right?

1501
02:08:41,192 --> 02:08:52,052
but it was really 2020 that I went into overdrive of like what the hell is this thing I've owned it

1502
02:08:52,052 --> 02:08:56,852
for five years it's by far and away the best thing that I've owned from a performance perspective

1503
02:08:56,852 --> 02:09:01,512
you know you can't get a shower that's broken or a tenant that walks out you don't get some

1504
02:09:01,512 --> 02:09:07,352
snivelly money manager that tells you they're amazing and then you know hides the fact that

1505
02:09:07,352 --> 02:09:14,272
actually you're losing purchasing power every year this is incredible and you know if mr michael

1506
02:09:14,272 --> 02:09:18,592
saylor hadn't done what he did with microstrategy i might not have noticed but that was just something

1507
02:09:18,592 --> 02:09:24,552
i was like what do you mean he's put bitcoin on the balance sheet that's nuts how many accountants

1508
02:09:24,552 --> 02:09:27,392
would tell him that's not possible how many lawyers would tell him that's not possible

1509
02:09:27,392 --> 02:09:34,572
no mate stock listed company bitcoin cash reserve you better start looking at this thing much more

1510
02:09:34,572 --> 02:09:36,712
closely and that's what really kicked off the whole process

1511
02:09:36,712 --> 02:09:38,652
but I cannot

1512
02:09:38,652 --> 02:09:40,592
believe that we're in 2026

1513
02:09:40,592 --> 02:09:42,512
it's just going

1514
02:09:42,512 --> 02:09:44,592
so much slower than what I

1515
02:09:44,592 --> 02:09:45,192
thought would happen

1516
02:09:45,192 --> 02:09:48,512
the gradually then

1517
02:09:48,512 --> 02:09:49,632
suddenly meme

1518
02:09:49,632 --> 02:09:51,932
and Parker's writing is excellent

1519
02:09:51,932 --> 02:10:06,651
some of the very best but it still like it gradually there nothing sudden about it It going so slowly that like in 2046 there might still be central banks

1520
02:10:07,931 --> 02:10:12,231
And I thought they'd be dust, but there might be.

1521
02:10:12,851 --> 02:10:15,211
And they might have coded up to governments even more.

1522
02:10:15,551 --> 02:10:18,731
And that whole concept of CBDC is completely reasonable.

1523
02:10:19,771 --> 02:10:20,931
Makes sense for them.

1524
02:10:20,931 --> 02:10:22,711
if you want to pay us

1525
02:10:22,711 --> 02:10:25,451
which you'll have to because you'll owe us tax

1526
02:10:25,451 --> 02:10:27,051
and if you don't you're going to jail

1527
02:10:27,051 --> 02:10:29,331
or you get kicked out of the country

1528
02:10:29,331 --> 02:10:31,611
then you've got to pay us in this money

1529
02:10:31,611 --> 02:10:32,251
that we control

1530
02:10:32,251 --> 02:10:33,851
and

1531
02:10:33,851 --> 02:10:36,811
that makes a lot of sense to me

1532
02:10:36,811 --> 02:10:39,591
but my point being is when my eldest is 25

1533
02:10:39,591 --> 02:10:41,511
obviously the world will be

1534
02:10:41,511 --> 02:10:42,131
very different

1535
02:10:42,131 --> 02:10:44,731
and 2046 seems so far away

1536
02:10:44,731 --> 02:10:46,311
but maybe it won't be all that different

1537
02:10:46,311 --> 02:10:49,371
you know it's just so hard to know

1538
02:10:49,371 --> 02:10:49,991
isn't it

1539
02:10:49,991 --> 02:10:58,631
the big print like it has to happen it has to happen but we don't know when this is one of again

1540
02:10:58,631 --> 02:11:06,051
another massive lesson for me this this quarter is i don't ever want to be in a situation again

1541
02:11:06,051 --> 02:11:14,011
where i'm a forced seller that's what i have learned and so my liquidity management was poor

1542
02:11:14,011 --> 02:11:20,771
and so in an environment where you know the big prince coming but you don't know when

1543
02:11:20,771 --> 02:11:30,831
it's about being as stable and as durable and as tough to just long it out you got to be able to

1544
02:11:30,831 --> 02:11:36,831
hibernate until this thing blows up and at some point it will happen and that might be when my

1545
02:11:36,831 --> 02:11:43,051
daughter's 25 20 years from now but when she's that age of course she will be you know a sound

1546
02:11:43,051 --> 02:11:47,911
money advocate and will understand the importance of separating money from state and will live in a

1547
02:11:47,911 --> 02:11:54,291
very different world i don't see a future to be honest in which the average child will be

1548
02:11:54,291 --> 02:11:58,811
they'll be kind of coerced through an education system that then puts them in debt by the time

1549
02:11:58,811 --> 02:12:05,451
they're 21 for the rest of their life that doesn't make sense a horrible horrible handbrake on

1550
02:12:05,451 --> 02:12:12,431
productivity and happiness and all the incentives that screw that up more and more people will opt

1551
02:12:12,431 --> 02:12:20,831
out of it. Here in Australia, I know this is true. The university system here is so underwater

1552
02:12:20,831 --> 02:12:29,771
that do not make money and they cost a shitload. The government is propping them up with student

1553
02:12:29,771 --> 02:12:37,291
migrants that they are paying to move to Australia to fill the universities. Why do they want that?

1554
02:12:37,291 --> 02:12:38,751
new taxpayers

1555
02:12:38,751 --> 02:12:40,351
right

1556
02:12:40,351 --> 02:12:42,291
new debt owners

1557
02:12:42,291 --> 02:12:45,331
perfect let's keep this whole sham

1558
02:12:45,331 --> 02:12:46,451
going as long as possible

1559
02:12:46,451 --> 02:12:48,911
property buyers

1560
02:12:48,911 --> 02:12:50,371
labour

1561
02:12:50,371 --> 02:12:52,931
it's basically just a ton of Indian dudes

1562
02:12:52,931 --> 02:12:54,891
coming over doing engineering degrees

1563
02:12:54,891 --> 02:12:57,411
and being paid to go to parts of Australia

1564
02:12:57,411 --> 02:12:59,631
to sit in engineering departments

1565
02:12:59,631 --> 02:13:01,711
and apparently study

1566
02:13:01,711 --> 02:13:03,611
and it's just

1567
02:13:03,611 --> 02:13:05,791
you could only do that if you had a money

1568
02:13:05,791 --> 02:13:06,191
printer

1569
02:13:06,191 --> 02:13:12,271
you're paying people from other countries to come to your country to learn

1570
02:13:12,271 --> 02:13:16,871
and you know like that's not rational capital allocation

1571
02:13:16,871 --> 02:13:22,711
so i want to create a new mine and we're going to dig some coal we're going to sell it to china

1572
02:13:22,711 --> 02:13:28,051
great we need some miners okay cool we pay them for that because they're delivering value

1573
02:13:28,051 --> 02:13:36,131
an education system that's selling information that's already bankrupt can apparently afford

1574
02:13:36,131 --> 02:13:47,331
to ship in customers that are taking on debt to pay for it doesn't make sense so but then it helps

1575
02:13:47,331 --> 02:13:52,611
the greater good the system the system can carry on

1576
02:13:53,411 --> 02:14:03,151
yes dodgy it's uh yeah i was talking to a few months ago and then i'll tell you this little

1577
02:14:03,151 --> 02:14:08,371
anecdotal story then ask you the final question because we're going to yeah sure uh my wife just

1578
02:14:08,371 --> 02:14:14,691
called me as well which is always a good one a couple of months ago a uh a guy that handled rental

1579
02:14:14,691 --> 02:14:24,911
uh properties in the in london in the uk told me that um the student uh market because that's where

1580
02:14:24,911 --> 02:14:32,391
he was he was renting houses flats to students said the chinese market has fallen out of bed by 50

1581
02:14:32,391 --> 02:14:40,291
percent like what what are you saying like that is crazy so yep they're just not coming over to

1582
02:14:40,291 --> 02:14:47,231
the universities and that is brand new like that is this year so i'm waiting for those ripple effects

1583
02:14:47,231 --> 02:15:07,351
and if that just uh chinese i mean are they being replaced by other uh nations i don know but you know to your point the same thing going on in the universities here uh in the uk it doesn surprise me yeah uh you know there my 18 year old she about to finish

1584
02:15:07,351 --> 02:15:13,671
her a level she's not going to go to university none of the um we had our meets up the other day

1585
02:15:13,671 --> 02:15:18,231
and i think we had five 18 year olds there and i asked who's going to university not one hand went

1586
02:15:18,231 --> 02:15:23,431
up i'm like this is amazing you know you couldn't have imagined this like five to ten years ago

1587
02:15:23,991 --> 02:15:25,651
It would have been the rite of passage,

1588
02:15:26,051 --> 02:15:27,651
but that is definitely changing now.

1589
02:15:28,251 --> 02:15:28,331
Yeah.

1590
02:15:28,551 --> 02:15:29,451
It's going to be interesting.

1591
02:15:29,471 --> 02:15:30,611
But it doesn't make sense.

1592
02:15:31,291 --> 02:15:32,051
No, it doesn't make sense.

1593
02:15:32,051 --> 02:15:32,491
If you can,

1594
02:15:32,691 --> 02:15:34,271
all the information you need

1595
02:15:34,271 --> 02:15:36,711
is on a mobile phone for $20 a month.

1596
02:15:37,571 --> 02:15:38,971
Why would you go to university?

1597
02:15:39,851 --> 02:15:40,011
Yep.

1598
02:15:42,071 --> 02:15:42,491
All right, Jay.

1599
02:15:42,491 --> 02:15:42,791
So come on.

1600
02:15:42,871 --> 02:15:44,071
Okay, hit me with the final question

1601
02:15:44,071 --> 02:15:45,991
because I can hear the baby

1602
02:15:45,991 --> 02:15:48,091
and I know that two hours in

1603
02:15:48,091 --> 02:15:50,971
I should stop gassing away with you.

1604
02:15:51,411 --> 02:15:52,751
If you had one last orange pill

1605
02:15:52,751 --> 02:15:53,751
left to give to somebody,

1606
02:15:53,991 --> 02:15:54,771
Who would you give it to?

1607
02:15:55,131 --> 02:15:56,811
Of course you're going to ask me this.

1608
02:16:00,291 --> 02:16:06,791
I should just go with instinct, shouldn't I?

1609
02:16:07,351 --> 02:16:08,471
Probably my brother.

1610
02:16:12,431 --> 02:16:21,611
And in previous years, I would have probably gone more like world leader-y type answer.

1611
02:16:21,611 --> 02:16:23,811
but more and more and more

1612
02:16:23,811 --> 02:16:26,951
I get less vocal about advocacy

1613
02:16:26,951 --> 02:16:29,931
I'm just getting on with my life

1614
02:16:29,931 --> 02:16:32,451
and there are just some people I know

1615
02:16:32,451 --> 02:16:36,451
that would just benefit from it so much

1616
02:16:36,451 --> 02:16:40,631
and they just don't get it

1617
02:16:40,631 --> 02:16:44,411
they actively choose not to get it

1618
02:16:44,411 --> 02:16:47,871
they want it to fail

1619
02:16:47,871 --> 02:16:49,631
they want you to be wrong

1620
02:16:49,631 --> 02:16:52,871
because it helps their own bias.

1621
02:16:53,771 --> 02:16:56,331
And it's some of the most difficult thing.

1622
02:16:57,191 --> 02:17:00,051
So shout out to my younger bro, wherever he is.

1623
02:17:00,291 --> 02:17:03,231
We're actually not really on speaking terms at the moment,

1624
02:17:03,311 --> 02:17:05,691
which is a whole other story and it's never happened to us before.

1625
02:17:06,351 --> 02:17:08,731
But an orange pill would probably help.

1626
02:17:10,351 --> 02:17:10,831
Wonderful.

1627
02:17:11,251 --> 02:17:12,911
Well, thank you, mate, for coming on.

1628
02:17:12,911 --> 02:17:16,091
Thanks for everything you do as well in your own way.

1629
02:17:16,451 --> 02:17:17,471
Your podcast is great.

1630
02:17:17,471 --> 02:17:21,231
where can people come and find you and uh and interact what's the best way to reach out

1631
02:17:21,231 --> 02:17:29,411
uh great question so just head to my website jakewoodhouse.io and then you can find wherever

1632
02:17:29,411 --> 02:17:35,731
you like to consume stuff i like all of us going through this process it's it's evolved over the

1633
02:17:35,731 --> 02:17:44,811
years and currently i'm only posting on rss feeds and nostor i got just so fed up with

1634
02:17:44,811 --> 02:17:46,951
the censorship threat

1635
02:17:46,951 --> 02:17:47,991
I'm like

1636
02:17:47,991 --> 02:17:50,471
screw those guys

1637
02:17:50,471 --> 02:17:51,631
but

1638
02:17:51,631 --> 02:17:55,191
if you retreat to the

1639
02:17:55,191 --> 02:17:56,651
fringes of the internet

1640
02:17:56,651 --> 02:17:59,511
the amount of people

1641
02:17:59,511 --> 02:18:00,731
that spend time there

1642
02:18:00,731 --> 02:18:02,811
drastically reduces

1643
02:18:02,811 --> 02:18:05,651
so one fundamentally has to ask the question

1644
02:18:05,651 --> 02:18:07,011
why are you doing something

1645
02:18:07,011 --> 02:18:08,391
so

1646
02:18:08,391 --> 02:18:10,591
like all these things it's evolving

1647
02:18:10,591 --> 02:18:12,931
but yeah head to my website

1648
02:18:12,931 --> 02:18:17,931
you can find my email address send me an email if you want to reach out and get in touch then do and

1649
02:18:17,931 --> 02:18:22,251
yeah thank you for having me on daniel it's always great to have a conversation like this and

1650
02:18:22,251 --> 02:18:28,071
i just i just love the long form it's crucial but you can't hide

1651
02:18:28,071 --> 02:18:35,691
you know i think of all of those years stupid recent example but that's not to say that i'm a

1652
02:18:35,691 --> 02:18:42,031
massive trump fan or republican or anything but you got the guy talking to rogan for three hours

1653
02:18:42,031 --> 02:18:44,291
go and listen to it

1654
02:18:44,291 --> 02:18:45,531
you know

1655
02:18:45,531 --> 02:18:47,591
are these people completely mad

1656
02:18:47,591 --> 02:18:50,231
you can't act for three hours

1657
02:18:50,231 --> 02:18:52,031
you know

1658
02:18:52,031 --> 02:18:54,791
and yet the state funded

1659
02:18:54,791 --> 02:18:56,651
media outlet

1660
02:18:56,651 --> 02:18:58,651
wants to put on a two minute clip

1661
02:18:58,651 --> 02:19:00,611
that chops up

1662
02:19:00,611 --> 02:19:01,791
a two hour, do you know what I mean

1663
02:19:01,791 --> 02:19:02,851
it's acting

1664
02:19:02,851 --> 02:19:06,351
with actors

1665
02:19:06,351 --> 02:19:07,271
that

1666
02:19:07,271 --> 02:19:10,371
that's a whole other podcast probably

1667
02:19:10,371 --> 02:19:15,091
isn't it but no good time stanley thank you so much for having me on all right mate we'll go see

1668
02:19:15,091 --> 02:19:20,771
the uh the baby go see the wife and uh we'll catch up again soon take care thanks mate

1669
02:19:20,771 --> 02:19:27,131
thank you everybody for listening thank you jake for coming on thank you for sharing that story

1670
02:19:27,131 --> 02:19:34,331
about the house purchase and how you had um kind of misallocated there and uh feeling that pain

1671
02:19:34,331 --> 02:19:40,271
sending big love to you and the family and for everything that you do for bitcoin and bitcoin

1672
02:19:40,271 --> 02:19:46,391
with your own podcast and your own education. It's going a long way. I'm absolutely certain

1673
02:19:46,391 --> 02:20:07,791
of that And I hope people reach out and discuss with you what you talked about here today from home birth to managing a Bitcoin holding to a house purchase to a renovation job to exorcism to reincarnation

1674
02:20:08,111 --> 02:20:11,731
Like, we went all over the map on this one, guys.

1675
02:20:12,011 --> 02:20:13,011
All over the map.

1676
02:20:13,091 --> 02:20:15,671
You might have to go back and re-listen to a few of these parts.

1677
02:20:16,271 --> 02:20:19,551
Just because it was intense, some of that stuff.

1678
02:20:19,551 --> 02:20:28,271
like it's uh yeah i i didn't think i talked about some crazy stuff on podcasts before but i think

1679
02:20:28,271 --> 02:20:35,971
this is the first time exorcism has come into it uh so thanks jake like uh well very very interesting

1680
02:20:35,971 --> 02:20:45,131
and who knows that tiny part of this conversation might help someone out there listening either

1681
02:20:45,131 --> 02:20:51,431
right now or in five to ten years time from now and that's the power of having these conversations

1682
02:20:51,431 --> 02:20:57,111
and being so open and then being able to share them on an open decentralized platform like fountain

1683
02:20:57,111 --> 02:21:04,611
where you can go and listen and boost you can stream stats to the show and you can boost the

1684
02:21:04,611 --> 02:21:11,831
show or you can go find jake he's got his own podcast over there subscribe over there and listen

1685
02:21:11,831 --> 02:21:18,691
to his back catalog because he's got some incredible guests and he does a few shows where

1686
02:21:18,691 --> 02:21:26,591
he just goes through what he's learned and just lays it all out there. So yeah, go connect with

1687
02:21:26,591 --> 02:21:32,791
Jake and thank you so much as always for listening. I did those shout outs at the beginning. Thank you

1688
02:21:32,791 --> 02:21:39,391
to all of those guys that were boosting sats, sending messages, getting involved in the

1689
02:21:39,391 --> 02:21:48,471
conversation really uh really cool to see and uh share the conversation around with uh with anyone

1690
02:21:48,471 --> 02:21:54,371
you want uh this one is very approachable some of the stolen science series that i've done you know

1691
02:21:54,371 --> 02:21:59,631
we don't talk about bitcoin you know if you're if your friends are like oh yeah you know whatever i

1692
02:21:59,631 --> 02:22:03,831
don't need to listen to any of your bitcoin podcasts you're just that's crazy you guys are

1693
02:22:03,831 --> 02:22:09,031
all conspiracy theorists and not jobs and whatever else and blah blah blah there are some stuff the

1694
02:22:09,031 --> 02:22:10,171
the Stolen Science series.

1695
02:22:10,651 --> 02:22:12,451
I suppose they're conspiracy theories as well.

1696
02:22:12,691 --> 02:22:14,431
But how many conspiracy theories are left?

1697
02:22:15,271 --> 02:22:16,711
They all get improved.

1698
02:22:17,151 --> 02:22:18,371
Like, you know, the chemtrails,

1699
02:22:18,631 --> 02:22:19,651
the geoengineering,

1700
02:22:20,031 --> 02:22:21,071
the weather modification,

1701
02:22:21,231 --> 02:22:21,991
the weather warfare.

1702
02:22:22,531 --> 02:22:24,371
Do you honestly still believe

1703
02:22:24,371 --> 02:22:25,551
that's a load of old shit?

1704
02:22:25,971 --> 02:22:27,651
It's happening right above your heads right now.

1705
02:22:27,891 --> 02:22:29,811
There's an episode, Stolen Science 6,

1706
02:22:30,231 --> 02:22:32,631
with Peter Kirby going down that rabbit hole.

1707
02:22:32,791 --> 02:22:34,011
10 years of research.

1708
02:22:34,391 --> 02:22:35,991
I've just read a book as well

1709
02:22:35,991 --> 02:22:38,451
called Bitten by Christy Newby.

1710
02:22:38,451 --> 02:22:47,211
and that is an incredible expose about the Lyme disease biological weapon and warfare that the

1711
02:22:47,211 --> 02:22:51,751
American government waged on their own people all of that seems to be dropping right now but she wrote

1712
02:22:51,751 --> 02:22:57,591
this book back in 2019 so it's just another conspiracy theory that is now being you know

1713
02:22:57,591 --> 02:23:02,991
oh yeah actually guys yeah they were right like yeah move on now and here's some leaked information

1714
02:23:02,991 --> 02:23:07,691
for you which is already all in the book and you got someone like Robert Malone being peddled out

1715
02:23:07,691 --> 02:23:14,411
on CNN and CNBC and like he's the flapping head of Lyme disease now whereas this lady did the

1716
02:23:14,411 --> 02:23:20,351
disease after being completely crippled by it her and her husband for years she went down the rabbit

1717
02:23:20,351 --> 02:23:25,711
hole she uncovered all of this and she wrote the book the book is called bitten this is an

1718
02:23:25,711 --> 02:23:31,511
unofficial shill uh it was a Christmas present by my wife that I just read and like it just blew my

1719
02:23:31,511 --> 02:23:37,031
mind and now it's just weird that all of this stuff is dropping they choose when to when to

1720
02:23:37,031 --> 02:23:44,311
land this shit on you like if you if you go and google solar radiation modification any google

1721
02:23:44,311 --> 02:23:53,351
and then hit images look at the slides that this this is like it's insane insane and all of the

1722
02:23:53,351 --> 02:23:57,551
epstein files mean whatever like i don't even want to talk about the stuff that we're learning from

1723
02:23:57,551 --> 02:24:03,211
that and that's just the tip of the iceberg you'll never know the darkest shit i hope but it's is

1724
02:24:03,211 --> 02:24:09,451
it's worse than you could have ever ever have thought anyway i want to leave this on a high

1725
02:24:09,451 --> 02:24:15,731
note please get out there and meet some bitcoiners in real life club orange has got you there's 19

1726
02:24:15,731 --> 02:24:20,231
and a half thousand members on that app and they're all bitcoiners and they're all happy to

1727
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meet up whether you're traveling through a new country you can head out for a coffee or a beer

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or get to a local event use the app find your people the link is in the show notes get to a

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conference, like I said, conference organizers in Prague and Helsinki and Ireland are offering you

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10% discount if you use the code BITTON. Please stack your sats, but more importantly,

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self-custody. Get yourself a hardware wallet. Do your own research. Bitbox.swiss forward slash

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BITTON will save you 5% on the Bitbox Nova or O2 Bitcoin only edition. Thank you so much for

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listening. I'll catch you guys on the next show.