Hello, everybody. My name is Daniel Prince, and I'm the host of the Once Bitten podcast.
This is a podcast focused on Bitcoin. It's my mission to interview as many people as I can
around the different aspects of Bitcoin and help people understand exactly what Bitcoin
could mean for them and for their families and for their future. I hope you enjoy the show.
Thank you so much for listening.
very active over on Noster. So make sure you go follow Jake over on Noster. Talking about how he
has mismanaged, in his own words, a purchase, a large purchase in life and him being a Bitcoiner
and pretty much all in on Bitcoin, that has had some severe consequences. He didn't plan properly.
He takes us through this story and he hopes that by sharing this knowledge, it's going to save you
some time some money and some sleep perhaps in the long run so thank you for that jake we also
get into reincarnation exorcism and all kinds of other crazy shit which jake has had direct
experience with this isn't hearsay this is coming from the man himself so i hope you enjoy it and
reach out and follow Jake as you learn more about him. I'm going to do some shout outs from the
Boosterverse over on Fountain. Really enjoying the interaction over there. If you've not switched
your listening habits yet, please do. I love the shout outs when I hear them on other podcasts.
Max over at the Ungovernable Misfits, he's been doing this for a long time. Dave Bennett,
90-year business over on Bitcoin and does it every week. And it's a great way to give shout
out back to the plebs uh i'm gonna go back a few episodes here uh rano kuni he came on the show to
talk about bip 110 he has now written a 13 part essay on this current uh debate in bitcoin if you
want to get up to speed if you feel as though you're sitting on the fence or you haven't got
the time to delve into it this is definitely the podcast you want to head to if you prefer reading
just hit the link in that episode.
It takes you to his substack and the 13 episodes.
So we've got Code with 500 sats.
A group that wants to control something to protect the children
immediately raises my hackles.
We've got Anonymous with 1,000 sats.
Bip 110.
We've got Lumor with 1,000 sats.
A Bitcoin that can be governed by politicians passing laws
influencing public company minors is not interesting to me.
spammers will always find ways around any filters we build you can send a message by disallowing some
formats but it's probably not going to have a big and then he just trails off not sure what happened
there but you get the gist of that that's lumo with a thousand thank you harley with a thousand
ignored brushed over most important arguments against bit 110 op returns are prunable other
methods are more harmful question mark kyle with 1221 sats good episode for anyone wanting to go
deeper regarding common objections including the op return prunability argument i wrote up an
article here and he's got a great article and a link to his own work uh j sun bits with 5000 sats
thank you very much thanks for this one great episode clarkian 7777 sats great signal and
analysis here consider me subbed thank you Clarkian and then uh more recently Anuja she came on the
show to talk about traveling with your sats we got Shadrach with 939 inspirational thought-provoking
and delightfully entertaining another great rip we got William the French with 500 sats what a great
idea I was just about to write air btc bitcoin beach bitcoin isla bougier uh brilliant and
Paez with 121 sats and some, a stick of emojis there,
steak, salute, and mussels and mushrooms and a flower.
Thank you, Paez.
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Jake, how are you, mate?
Yeah, I'm really well and I love the immediate click record.
Yeah, otherwise we would have spent 10 minutes just catching up.
and all the exactly every time all the good juicy stuff gets lost so yeah here we fuck it we'll do
it live right that the how you doing mate like uh it's been a while since we caught up i believe
you are in a new place you've bought a place you've taken the the plunge you've been talking
about it on your your posts on Noster you've been talking about it on your your updates on your pod
it's been uh it's been quite a handful of years for you and the fam gosh yeah i mean i'm i'm open
to any direction you want to take the conversation um i i am i am learning a lot of things right now
and some of it's very very brutal like brutal i had a mentoring call recently and there's a
I mean, it's said as a Mike Tyson quote,
whether he said it, who knows, but it goes well,
which is like everyone thinks they're great
till they get punched in the face.
And I, in the last like six weeks,
like specific to Bitcoin and as a quote unquote investor,
it's been like a punch in the face
because it has exposed me for what I was,
which is deficient in areas
that I didn't think were a problem.
and so yes i bought a house and there was lots of reasons for doing that there was lots of thought
process into where and the kind of property that needed to be and i had this whole due diligence
process on you know things like mold emf all sorts of cool stuff yeah um but i didn't take
sufficient steps to guard against the drawdown in Bitcoin that was inevitable. And so I mistook
or I blended investment capital and operational capital in the same bucket. So over the last
four weeks, I'm not going to lie, I've had some of the most stressful times I can remember when
it's like, what the fuck's happening? And it's like freezing like a rabbit in headlights, like
and it's just yeah i'm very very well but i feel battered and bruised and
just stabling out and one of the big headaches i created for myself there's two main things that
happened one i committed to a renovation on the house that we purchased and i didn't put any money
aside whatsoever for it signed the contract in October thinking double double you know double
tops coming paid the finance paid the deposit so got out at a great time from those perspectives
but just had no cash reserves and and so suddenly this renovation which is the same I would spend
on give or take a year of living as a family I've got to come up with the cash over the next like
three months and it's like oh and so now you're selling just when you want to be buying and it's
like it's just brutal absolutely brutal um and on top of that i didn't have a cash reserve so you're
sitting there it's like bitcoin's this battery that you can just draw down from it whenever you
need it and that's true but in a in a price drawdown of 50 over what's been not even three
or four months everything's twice as expensive and it's like oh and you're hooked to this previous
previous price it's like well i used to get x many thousand aussie dollars and now i get this
many thousand aussie dollars and you wind yourself up in these tight loops of you fucked up and how
could you not seen it coming and yeah it's it's just a fascinating experience you're trying
something different it's new there are gonna be things you get wrong and right now I'm feeling
the pain and I'll leave it at that because you've you've been through this process probably many
times and it just oh you know I think I had I thought I had it all sorted and just then your pants get whipped off and you get smack on the ass You like you don know what you fucking doing
And your worst enemy is yourself.
So, yeah, interesting times.
How do you deal with that?
Like the self-loathing?
Because that's something everybody struggles with.
Great question.
So to be honest, AI.
like being brutal about the last like three weeks i i've been for example like about a week ago
four o'clock in the morning getting up like haven't drunk a beer for like three or four
weeks at this stage like just need a clear head what the fuck is going on how am i going to get
myself through this process how am i going to steady the ship and you know figure things out
and i just was like okay uh shout out to an austral friend of mine scott who's been on the podcast
he was like these are different AIs I use for different things you know you've got
imaging strategy coding it's like okay cool what are the strategy ones all right let's pick those
okay I need to make this much money on this date how and I sent the same thing to like four or five
different AI agents and I got different answers and I was able to curate different things I liked
from them and in particular chat gpt was just extraordinarily good at cutting through all the
bullshit and be like you're emotional and so when you feel this in your gut you're actually
experiencing this psychological impact of blah blah blah and it's been some of the best personal
development work i've ever done for 25 a month at the click of a button for any question that you
have and so the self-loathing is a very natural reaction to the situation that you're in and the
way to get through it you know first of all just breathe like nothing has materially changed just
a piece of paper that says your net wealth was x is now x like nothing's actually changed
um and so it's been a fascinating process because these are tools that they didn't exist before
now pinch of salt don't go and put your seed phrase in chat gpt obviously right you know
using generic numbers around strategic positions you find yourself in it's like okay renovation
cost x x has to be paid on y date you know what do you do and it's like okay well you need cash
flow forecasts you need this you need that would you like me to create this and just before you
know it you're actually getting into the actual nuts and bolts of the problem and that's been
that's been amazing absolutely amazing to to be able to lean on interesting mate that's the first
time i've ever heard anyone like talk about using ai in that way like you to to help almost um
a meditative process yeah and it's it's it's like um
oh what's the right way of saying it i could see it becoming extraordinarily addictive
because you're not like i'm not sure how it's programmed to talk to me
and again pinch of salt just be careful what you're dealing with like any tool
it's up to the user's discretion but that's where you know you've got four or five different options
right and they're all very you know small subscription fees and you send the same thing
to all of them and see what comes back and you again you're the curator of a set of tools
so i'm a better investor now than i was four weeks ago and my balance sheet from a financial
perspective is down but my intellectual capital is up and what will happen actually shout out to
ben gunn so you'll know this is as a podcaster i was sat there going oh my god what's going on
what's going on what's going on what do you know well you've got a phone book full of people that
you've met that they know what the fuck they're talking about and just talk to them and so i had
maybe i don't know five ten phone calls with people in in the space i've met over the years
that i thought might have an interesting angle on what i was trying to figure out and ben was like
ironically what you're going through right now big fuck up but you get it right it'll make you
more money in the future and it's true because all the things i'm picking up now are actually i was
optimizing for the wrong thing i was optimizing for the highest net wealth possible i was optimizing
for the most coins possible.
And I was under-allocated to stability,
to durability, to steadiness.
And so what will come out of it,
we'll have to wait and see.
But if, for example...
As Benny Gunn would say,
you were long vol.
We're all long vol.
I was long vol, yeah.
We're all long vol by holding Bitcoin.
But he would also say,
did your grandfather take risk?
Right.
And it's like, well, yeah, of course he fucking did.
So the, yeah, oh, wow.
Yeah, basically I was long only.
And the underbelly of that was more fragile than what I understood.
And it's only through the price drawdown that you, you know,
another phrase you might hear would be like, you know,
when the tide goes out, you can see who was swimming naked.
Now, I wasn't leveraged, importantly.
And I know lots of people that were.
There's a very important point, actually, because a lot of people listening to this may well have been leveraged too.
This is a different angle.
But basically, 13 months ago, my net wealth stat that I was calculating every week as I was doing my investing stuff was at the strongest it's ever been on paper.
and that was giving us a lifestyle we'd never had before and it was amazing all this flexibility
travel whatever 12 months later when i last ran the numbers it was 60 down and you're like holy
shit where's all that quote-unquote value gone and you suddenly realize like why hedge funds
are called hedge funds because they didn't just get 60 up and then draw back 60 they're actually
selling and buying other financial tools to ensure that they don't have that same soft underbelly
and you know there's a guy chris shout out to chris on nostor who shared with me as a as a long-term
bullion investor and i'm guessing he's probably a bit older than you i haven't spoken to him too
much but he used to keep 18 months of runway in the bank at all times when he had the busiest
period of his life with kids and wife and commitments i didn't have that now in hindsight
13 months ago i should have gone right 20 bang into strc or into my friend costa has this business
called minotaur trading and he's creating quite interesting yield using bitcoin futures
that's cash flow that would just sit there and equally like where's your cash reserves like
12 months 18 months get it in there so i didn't have any of that like it was like where's it gone
oh my god what's happened now i did buy a house and i did prepay the finance on it at a very
expensive rate because i'm in the eyes of the debt boys not an attractive man because i don't
have lots of income for them to then leverage against but either way it's like whoa that has
just literally really fucked me up and what you start to understand this is the self-loathing thing
is your self-worth was connected to a net worth and you were you were getting um what's the right
way of saying this i i would like and i do still this is still true investing is a game by which
you get paid for your decision making and that phrase sounds great when you're sitting on 5x
and then a year later when it's like oh that's not quite so cool
um and yeah well just the the q1 2026 bear market is handing out lessons to me like
crucial and it makes me stronger so it's just it's very hard to separate the emotion
from the facts and that's what this ai experience is very interesting for um
it's so yeah i mean we can start there what's great about this mate is that you're you're
willing to share it and you're putting yourself out there not only on this podcast but on your own
and with your own posts as well.
And I remember, I think it was back in November,
I put out just a post like we hadn't even had the huge drop down then.
But I knew a lot of people had been taking on these loans.
And I put something out on Nostra along the lines of,
if the inevitable happens and your Bitcoin gets swept
because you can't meet the margin calls
and there was a nasty dip overnight,
it could have been a flash crash,
are you going to be brave enough to talk about it, to warn others,
and learn out in the open?
Because especially if there's nefarious actors at play, right?
Like Celsius or Blockfire, we've all been there before.
And people, they clam up because they feel stupid,
for want of a better word.
And they don want to face that So it I think it a testament to your personality and for your willingness to share it all
Because these are hard things to share, right?
Nobody likes to own up when they're being wrong.
And this is the trick.
And I'd love for, you know, shout out to Rob Brindad.
His book Glitch is a great read.
and it'd be brilliant if you guys haven't connected already,
you definitely should.
Yeah, Rob and I have chatted a bunch of times.
I've done at least two podcasts with him
and I've read his first book, The Decentralized Mind.
I haven't yet read Glitch.
Yeah.
And I have done a couple of one-on-one sessions with him.
So I know exactly what you're talking about.
Yeah.
The monkey and the rabbit wheel or whatever.
Yeah.
The hamster wheel, sorry.
Exactly.
Yeah, it's tough times out there, man.
it's been a right old rough ride
not just price wise but within the community
the civil war in air quotes
that is still raging, been going on for three years
lots of uncertainty
but the reason I wanted to bring you on
from my voice note that I sent to you
because I heard you talking about
no it was your
post you'd listened
to one of my episodes with
Redtail Hawk and I know you guys have
connected as well
his episode that we did together
is being
published this week
yeah a few days so Red
and I spoke about education specifically
but yeah I was flying
sorry I've cut in
I was flying
just that it was
the most recent episode you did with him and you were talking about reincarnation and
the egyptians and the pyramids and the the lost civilization of mu and it was just like
what is this guy talking about and there i was in this like tube think about ben vermin and like
flat earth like speeding along with my daughter next to me just like what the hell and so my post
that's right so you've teed me up nicely would you like me to retell what the post was yeah yeah
um uh shout out to a lady called janine who my wife and i've done some work with and janine is
um oh that's so weird and i now realize that your voice note you're actually referencing
that story not the other story i started talking about there's two crazy stories right one of each
daughter we can go through both of them yes um so my eldest daughter her name is ruby so she's
five and a bit now and what janine told me was we were doing some past life work and janine has
done all sorts of interesting stuff in quote-unquote healing and energy work and
in a past life she saw that I have previously traveled to Australia so I'm English originally
and I now live in Australia Aussie wife life in Australia and I migrated as an adult to another
country and it's just so interesting because there was this this moment um there's uh
there's excellent wine in australia so i don't know how much aussie wine you've ever drunk over
the years but really underrated and it is essentially the european culture that migrated
over the last 200 years to australia and they even would bring the vines on ships and then
replant them in australia and there was a story of a german guy uh called henchke and he has a
the family have a farm and winery in south australia near adelaide in the barossa valley now
and my mother-in-law gifted me a bottle of their wine that is i mean it's going to be worth a couple
of grand probably for one bottle like it's some of the very best australia has to offer in terms of
a great red wine and i was in a wine shop and i saw this coffee table book and it was about the
henchke winery i was like oh cool i started reading it and just sometimes it's just so mad
what catches your attention why is this catching my attention why is this resonating and it's making
the hair in my skin go up right now anyway this guy was in north germany in a shitty fucking
village he had a wife and four kids and him and his brother are like this sucks it's like mid 1800s
and they moved to hamburg with the intention of migrating over to america and whilst they're there
they are involved in um some kind of religious community and there was a um a friar or a vicar
or something that actually got them passage to australia and as they're waiting for their tickets
in Hamburg one of his kids dies and on the ship on the way to Australia so if you think about this
you're north Germany you come down past Spain Portugal all the way underneath Africa and then
that massive stretch across to the south of Australia from Cape of Good Hope it would take
three months and on the trip to Australia his wife died and another child so this guy pitches
up in Adelaide in 18, I'm going to butcher this, but like roughly 1870. And him and his brother are
like, fuck, what do we do now? And they're from rural community in North Germany. So what ended
up happening is a lot of the German migrants moved up into South Australia and Barossa and started
farming. Anyway, I just, I was reading this book and I was just so enamored by this story of like
what a migrant used to have to go through to get to Australia and just love the story and so love
the winery and whatever um anyway Janine doing past life work it comes to her she's like you've
been to Australia before like what do you mean and in my previous life I was someone that traveled
to Australia lost a wife lost a child and was part of a community in Australia that um
there was a family of just women it was like three sisters or something and then all their children
and the youngest child was bullied by them and I I became a pastor myself so I took on a religious
role in in the community and I befriended the little girl anyway in Janine's view my eldest
daughter is that same soul and we've been reincarnated into this life to live the father
daughter role that we bonded over in that previous experience and just like what the fuck how is that
and so one of the reasons i think i love that story so much about the german migrant and his
brother and the ordeals that they took to get here was i'd done it before not on a plane but like
somehow and my wife died previously and it's like it's kind of where um
it's just so weird what catches your attention like why would that be such an interesting story
to me it's just a story right but i'm there like really feeling it because maybe you've done it
before and so there i am listening to red on this plane i'm like what a princey and red talking about
this this stuff is mental and what resonated a lot was this idea of control and if i wanted to
control someone it's much easier to do that from a place of fear i'm scared of dying is like a major
fear and this this reference to the romans and the roman centralized governance and the you know
the greatest empire to have ever been known to that point using the idea of the afterlife and
reincarnation just like squashing it like using propaganda using any way possible to be like
that's not real and red's obviously saying well hang on what were they doing in the in the in the
in the fucking pyramids hello so that was cool um would you like me to tell the second story of my
other daughter of like the freaky thing that happened or do you want to jump in there but
just just on that there's um so after i had that chat with red that was my noster post essentially
yes so that's what i was that's what i was referencing was that story of my daughter and
how we've known each other before yeah that's crazy and i you know red comes on and he starts
talking about reincarnation and uh the the sarcophagus and the um uh the pyramids being
basically what would you call them like uh sensory deprivation tanks is what we would call them now
and you know making the epsom uh salt bath water from the you know raw materials that were already
there and mixing them together and putting people in there and that was used as a way to communicate
with uh the the other realms uh and reincarnation we talked about uh chatting with the afterlife
and then that put me onto this book a new science of heaven uh by robert temple which is great you
would lap this up absolutely i put rob onto this book and he just i mean he ripped through it uh he
Wow, okay, that's going straight on the read list.
There a What it called Daniel A New Science of Heaven Okay Robert Temple And there a chapter in there about how this has been done
like scientifically done and proven and studies.
Obviously, you might have followed some of my...
Obviously, it's called Robert Temple.
Robert Temple, yeah.
Why would he have that surname and write a book about this kind of shit?
Yeah, I know.
It's all there for you.
Very convenient, yeah.
and yeah he was talking about how people have measured like literally weighed the scene and
weighed the body just as it crosses over you know that people have been bedside for deaths
goodness knows how many millions of times right and everyone's got a different story
some people might see a little light others people feel some other people feel something
but scientists have actually proven
that something does leave the body at that point
and it's measurable
in weight terms
so you'd love this chapter
and the rest of the book as well
so that's when someone dies
there's a measurable shift
in the weight of the physical body
really?
wow
yeah I mean I
I've only seen one dead body
in my life and that was my father's
when he died whatever it was
16 17 years ago now
and there
is there's just
absolutely no doubt
in my mind that there's nothing there
left does that make sense
yeah they're gone
and
what you just said immediately made me
think about that
there's a serene look
the body's there but there's nothing there
whoa
I'm obviously going to have to read that
I've got a few more for you as we scroll through this conversation
sure
your next story
can we start this one off with home birthing
because I think that's something else
that a lot of people are, well, a lot of the listeners,
I've had Katie to Russian come on before.
We did a 100th maximalist podcast
because she's doing this with her children.
And my wife, she saw something the other day.
I'm going to butcher the quote.
Something along the lines of birth should be natural
with medical intervention if needed,
not medical procedure with the result of a natural outcome at the very end.
We've had like everything.
It's just been flipped on its head.
You and your wife, Lauren, I think.
Lauren, yeah.
You were both births, home births?
So we've got three kids now.
Sorry.
They're five, three and one.
Yeah, we've been very busy.
Thankfully, they're all now asleep.
I was like, shit, I've got a podcast tonight.
I've got to try and get them in bed early.
It's just that chaos period from like half past four
till it can be like eight o'clock.
It's just crazy.
Crazy fun, though.
Yeah, and you'll look back on it.
Every day I get someone who's circa 60 come up to me
and say, at some stage, you will miss this.
One guy I remember in particular at the coffee shop recently,
one child was up a tree.
the other one was was was trying to like poke the dog in the face and the third one was like crying
on the floor or something i don't know but just it was madness and the guy's like one day you'll
miss this yeah okay and it helps you just ground a little bit because you do get so stressed you're
like all this stuff going on like whoa um so yeah so home birth okay so this is like i guess my
perspective as the male and um it all started because so we we emigrated from london my wife's
australian and i'm english we're in london before moved to melbourne when lozzy was maybe three or
four months pregnant and we got there 31st december 2019 and by march of 2020 the scandemic
had begun and it was a particularly difficult period in that we just didn't know what the hell
was going on and I was just as bad as anyone where you're like actually watching the news trying to
find out what the fuck was happening and it wasn't till quite a few months later that we
realized and Loz was well ahead of me on this in terms of like this is a scam this is so obviously
a fucking scam what is going on right now and without going down the whole covid rabbit hole
because that's a whole other podcast in itself but in australia they started bringing in all
these regulations around um hospital birth and for example they were saying that it was still
it was still earlier than all the covid jabs they hadn't quite developed them by this stage so it
It was like, it was all about, you know, COVID zero policies and stop the spread and, you know, wear your fucking mask and make sure you're two meters apart.
And, oh, by the way, the husband's not allowed to come to the birthing suite.
What do you fucking mean?
That's ridiculous.
And so, and then they changed it back to the can and they can't.
It's like, okay, all this uncertainty was hampering our process for trying to remain grounded and relaxed and bringing a baby into the world.
and as your first baby there's so many unknowns you just literally don't know what you're doing
and um eventually it's like what what would a home birth look like and quite quickly we were like
let's do it like this is obviously the better way of doing it because we know that we can start to
plan around it and we had a house in um in melbourne where we started arranging things and so we came
across this amazing community of private midwives that i mean for their day job they deliver babies
i was just so blown away by this it's such a a beautiful experience but also like high pressure
and intense and that's their job they get a call at three o'clock in the morning and they're up and
they go to someone's house and they deliver babies and the older lady that we were working with
she was like probably knocking 70 she thousands of births right and we did something called a
shared care where we paid a private midwife they would come to the house do all the checkups they
were booked in to deliver the babies the baby and we were also seeing an obstetrician who if
she hit the fan was essentially on call in a hospital 12 minute drive from the house and that
more traditional or conventional arrangement gave us the confidence in particular my wife
the confidence say i'm gonna have a crack at home first and i'm not fucking going there
um anyway and this is i guess the the one amusing story that came out of the actual
birth experience it started like friday night midnight three o'clock on saturday afternoon
baby's still not born and my wife's getting tired like really tired and you're like what the hell
is this i've been so relaxed and confident i'm gonna have a home birth no big deal and suddenly
i'm like oh my god people die in birth like what what happens now and i left the room
my one job was to pack the hospital bag and so i'm like running around the house panicking trying
to find like some food and some pajamas and some you know christmas lights and all the shit that i
was supposed to have done before that i hadn't done because i was so sure we're gonna have a home
birth and the main midwife left our bedroom to go and call the obstetrician and say look this isn't
going as planned the baby hasn't come the the woman is getting too tired we think we need to come in
and loz was left in the bedroom with the second midwife who'd been very much playing second fiddle
the whole day and i was then you know taking the dog out for a pee on the front at the front of the
house going like shit like people die in childbirth i haven't packed the bag like actually
freaking out and something shifted where she in her mind she's like i'm i'm not getting to a
hospital in this state you've got to be kidding me she's like butt naked hands against the wall
like trying to give birth this baby i can't get in a car and the second midwife she just connected
to on an energetic level way better than the first it's like she didn't trust the first lady
the masculine energy left the room the woman that she didn't trust left the room the second
lady took control and within 45 minutes this is how i remember it ruby was born boom in the
bedroom at home and so by five o'clock on a saturday afternoon you've got your baby in your
arms you're in your own house you've got your own bathroom placenta comes out and it was fucking
awesome like oh my god we just did a home birth we absolutely smashed it bring it on it's possible
and and when you start digging into the data like no one has a home birth like absolutely
fucking no one now there's more in the uk but australia is like basically no one and so birth
number two it's like well of course we're gonna do a home birth why wouldn't you you can control
your environment it's your own home you know you've got your baby you can feed it what you like
You can go and have a shower when you want.
You've got no random punter just cruising into your room doing what you want.
And on baby number two, we had come across a lady called Rhea Dempsey, who is an Australian nurse and midwife.
And she ran workshops around home birth.
And to touch on what you mentioned before, she talks very clearly about physiological birth.
That's how it's done.
The woman just gives birth.
like that needs to be the priority and there's a whole load of side effects that if you chop a
woman open and take a baby out it's it's like first of all the woman themselves has got a
a massive bit of healing to do like it's a full-on piece of surgery of cesarean it's not a casual
thing um but all of the uh there's natural bacterias that a child collects on the way out
of the womb when birth naturally so there's a whole ton of reasons why a physiological birth
is a better healthier process for both the woman and the baby then it's like the breastfeeding
process there's a whole load of stuff we can go down as rabbit holes but um the baby number two
we did ria's workshop and she took us through some of the numbers and it's just extraordinary
how few people have have home births but when you look at the risk of home birth even though it's a
small number of the total babies birthed the risks are actually in your favor i.e there's no
she called it the it was the cascade of interventions so when you enter a hospital
environment you do not control the space and the first thing they'll do is they'll offer you
painkillers so the gas and laws would openly says if i'd been in a hospital i would have
fucking had that shit straight away because you can but that numbs the female body and that's
actually counterproductive to giving birth and if you have like an epidural for example like it
it's that you can't feel anything so how do you how do you give birth and then you've got the
forceps and then you've got like you know there's all these different interventions that can be used
to like help you give birth but is it helping or is it just someone getting in the way of a natural
process and ria was totally fired up about this subject you can read her book she's a really
interesting lady but one of the reasons the c-sections happen is because even the hospital
is the room itself is an intervention yes the lights the the non-native emfs that you're around
you know it's really simple question daniel yeah if a bit if a cat wants to give birth what does it
do it goes hide somewhere doesn't it like under a bush it goes and sits under the fucking cupboard
and has six kittens we're mammals same shit but we go and put ourselves in these brightly lit
places with different people fiddling with your vagina like it is it's not a place where you chill
out and like just let go and having seen a woman give birth now three times it is a powerful process
but it only works if they fucking go for it how do you do that in an environment when you're
clamming up at just the moment when you need to be opening but the pain is extraordinary
but the natural birth the recovery is so fast you think about how how would a woman who's been
chopped open run in a forest from a tiger with a baby they can barely walk but a natural birth
within a day it's amazing how fast the body returns um so there's just there's lots we've
learned about about birthing through the process but to get to the story about my second daughter
cleo and the what i shared with you on the audio note and alfie was also born home birth a year
ago or so as well um did you get better by the way did you have the bag packed for uh number two
I had the bag.
I think I had, did I?
Maybe I didn't even bother.
I just knew we were going to do it.
What shook me up so much, though, was that whole, like, oh, my God.
It was only 15 hours into a labor that I suddenly had the, like,
what if this goes wrong question.
Like, mate, you probably should have thought about that before.
Okay, this gets really fruity.
So, okay, so my second daughter was born again in Melbourne, different house, different neighborhood, home birth.
And this one was much more straightforward as a process.
Different midwives, we decided to change midwives after the first experience that we had.
And instead of being born like under stress, like four o'clock in the afternoon, exhausted, it like it started pretty early in the morning.
and by i think she's born around one o'clock had basically a morning labor and the baby was born
and it wasn't to say that it wasn't hard absolutely it was but it just number one was
much more intense as a labor process um but about eight weeks into her life my wife says to me i i
can't i can't handle this i just i do not understand what's wrong with this baby and i was
guilty of being um perhaps not involved enough and also looking after the other child so i didn't
just see as much but essentially if she wasn't asleep or she wasn't feeding on the boob she was
hysterically crying crying and not like oh i'm upset like blood curdling screams and we just
couldn't settle this baby and suddenly you're going down all of all these different like you
I joked afterwards, like, as an entrepreneur, a brilliant place to sell shit is to stress newborn parents because you will buy anything.
Like, I've got to solve this problem.
And we were saying, for example, this chiropractor that we're friends with, he was helpful.
But we couldn't put the baby in a car seat because she would just scream and scream and scream.
So you couldn't drive anywhere.
So she was okay in a pram.
So we put her in the pram and take public transport to the chiropractor that took three times longer just to not have her scream.
It was that like psychologically jarring.
And we barely get any sleep overnight, right?
You sleep with it for a bit and maybe an hour later, wake up and scream again.
And so you're getting more and more depleted as as parents.
Like, you know, you're not sleeping enough and all of the smallest things become much harder to deal with.
And we ended up speaking with a lady, this kind of quite catch all thing of like, oh, the baby's got colic.
So maybe it's something to do with the mother's diet and the breast milk.
And so you're like cutting out every single fucking ingredient you can imagine.
And she was then teaching us about these different like movements we could use to like bounce the baby up and down on the shoulder and pat and all these different things you're trying to do.
And none of it fucking worked.
and it got to the stage where this woman's like you've got to shove something up its ass
and try and make it shit itself to you know it's like like you know you can get those um i can't
remember the right phrase for them but like um depositories essentially yeah depository yes yes
it really like intervention it's like it's an eight week old baby what do you what do you mean
that that can't be right and i was there ready to try and i was like no stop stop because i was just
so desperate to try and solve the problem and what work was the chiropractor doing kind of cranial
well the chiropractor was helping he actually the main help is he'd had four sons and he was just
like guys you're fucking wrecked so just give me the baby and he could just calm the baby down
and he showed us a couple of techniques for like helping to soothe it and stuff
which is actually far more parenting than it was chiropractic work and he was just checking her
over to see the skull and different you know skeletal stuff but um and he specializes in
babies as well him and his wife they're really brilliant guy called dr simon floriani he's got
some awesome stuff online with his wife jen as well um and yeah so what happened is on a i feel
like it was a friday i was with cleo and trying to put her to sleep during the daytime and i just
I got this really it's funny I've told this story today I've got some friends coming through town at
the moment I just got this really intense feeling it's like oh I need to I had her on my arm trying
to get this I need to hold her back she was here she's tiny right not even my length of my arm
and I just got this building sense of like oh I'm gonna say something and I started talking and I
started just saying the same thing over and over again which is you need to you need to leave you
need to leave now you need to leave and even now my my hair's going off my neck and something just
changed i got this huge rush of energy through my body like i was on fire and the baby just went
limp in my arm and just fell asleep and i put her in the car and i come next to her like lost you
never guess what just happened but i was i was like shouting at something i don't know it was
fucking spooky and that night we had the worst night of the fucking lot and one of the angles
that los had been researching was nutrition and one of the nutritionists she'd spoken to was a
born-again christian and was talking about the devil and you need to get closer to christ
and I wasn't ready for that at all at the time and that night Loz is like in the bed and I'm
trying to bounce this baby up and down she's shouting so just Jesus save us and I'm like I'm
not fucking saying that it doesn't fucking work and um anyway yeah just the the the feedback or
the reverb from what I'd done at the lunchtime sleep to then the nighttime was like I just made
that much worse what the hell is going on anyway one of our friends shout out to amanda she amazing acupuncturist She had done a retreat or had recently come into contact as a customer of a company a guy called Jason Parks
And Jason is an energy healer and spiritual mentor.
And I've subsequently got to know Jason really, really well.
He's been mentoring me the last year, but this is the first time we came across him.
So Sunday lunchtime, we take a phone call from this random dude.
And it's just a phone call, not a video call, nothing.
And we explain to him what we've been experiencing.
He's like, okay, let me see what I can find.
And he just, everything goes quiet.
And he just disappears into this meditation.
And he comes back and he's like, well, I can see the problem here is an elemental spirit.
I'm like, what?
It's like, yes, it's attached itself at birth to your daughter,
and it's like clamped onto her back.
She was always arching, like arching, like in pain.
And his explanation was like spirits are everywhere,
and you get different types.
And an elemental spirit in this instance was disturbed
about 60 meters underground when the property
that we were in at the time,
there was some construction work
and it wasn't evil or angry necessarily,
but just needed to be heard.
And Jason was able to placate the spirit.
And from that phone call onwards,
we had a newborn baby.
Yeah, I told you it was freaky.
And what was so extraordinary
about it was i physically experienced that and i cannot say it wasn't true
now his explanation for what was there was the elemental spirit like maybe you can question that
but i physically saw a child in blood curdling frustration relax and she just started improving
hugely and she's now three and a bit years old and you know this is a a crazy story you're like
what the fuck can like what is what is supernatural what is non-physical what the hell's going on out
there what do we not know and yeah i mean what a wild ride being a parent is so i was i'm a born
again pastor and my my eldest daughter and i have lived a previous life together and my second
daughter you know i learned about spirits for the first time like what the hell wild right mate so
yeah and i've got i've since got to know jason really well from that phone call and he he went
and trained with the shaolin monks in china very advanced martial artist and meditator and he comes
across all sorts of stuff and he does one-on-one consults and you can go to him with whatever
problems you have and he'll work through it but it really makes you think about like wisdom and
you know like what is a kung fu movie what's obviously a great film but like what were those
guys doing well they were they were able to perform at elite level in a way that no one else
could do why wisdom and they lived in temples what other shit do they know that we don't know
and there's knowledge out there that isn't online you can't find it right so yeah i mean
take it wherever you want but that was just yeah a couple of extraordinary experiences
that's amazing child number three everything just just plain sailing child number three boy
and thus far no no specific spiritual experience
mainly like broken leg broken toe you know other more practical things that have to be dealt with
general boy stuff i suppose yeah oh mate what i yeah
and that's five years of incredible experiences uh that um and the rabbit holes that you find
yourself in uh i know you've been sharing uh you've been down this rabbit hole as well
beauchamp or pasteur the um yeah terrain yeah terrain and germ yeah absolutely huge topic
why why did you go there what was the that was anything what pushed you in that direction
my wife 100 my wife so um we were driving through melbourne and she was like oh well you know this
is kind of along the lines of that stuff that they were talking about all those years ago
to do with germ theory versus terrain theory i was like oh yeah what was that and then you know
off you go um so some things just don't make sense i had a really interesting guy on my podcast
called dan ostermeyer which if you get the chance go have a listen dan's a uh an emergency doctor
in the states and he's just you know he's posting on noster which basically says it all right you
know he's asking all the all the great questions like you know what is health and what is medicine
and who are all these people organizing this stuff and when i was posting about this he
reacted to a bunch of things we had this fascinating conversation he's the person to
go and talk to to understand where this research currently is at but essentially the the the base
layer for virology is built on absolute bullshit and the the discussion goes all the way back to
the 1800s and a couple of french scientists in competition with each other trying to prove what
was true or not true and louis pasteur is the guy that actually came up with the idea of pasteurization
and it was commercial conflict versus sane sense and commercial one because hey they make money
and so the very foundation of germ theory versus terrain theory is that you don't catch a cold
cold you don't catch anything like if your terrain is healthy and as as what's the right
and your vitality level is as high as possible and you are a happy healthy person you're not
going to get sick and by terrain you're talking about like your immediate surrounds as well as
the body.
I'm talking more about
the state of your body.
Right.
So, and again,
this is just my read on this.
I'm no doctor or scientist.
I'm just someone trying to live
the happiest, healthy life.
And basically, it's very empowering
because it's actually down to the user,
down to the individual.
You make good dietary choices.
You make good lifestyle choices.
You work out all the time.
You're going to be totally fine.
and like you can walk past the sickest person in the world and you're not going to get it
but the the germ theory suggests that germs are moving around and you can be like you can catch
something off someone and so what dan was specifically looking into was some recent
research being done in france where they they basically they put they put these viruses
into a petri dish and the virus will make a cell react in a certain way and they basically don't
have a um uh what's the right way of saying it there is no when they do the testing they don't
have a test without anything in it and they also lower the temperature of it so it's like if you
just lower the temperature of a cell what happens to it well the same thing is what they're looking
at when the virus gets put in there so well hang on that means that the virus doesn't do that it's
just the degradation of the cell from the temperature what does that mean well that means
that basically every single virus that anyone's ever said that they've actually managed to
number one to um they call it isolating like covid19 has never been isolated no one's ever
actually got it in one place and be like yeah we've got it here and so again very high level
kind of like non-expert answer but the the ramification is very cool which is you know if
you if you feed your children the right food and you supplement their diet correctly the only time
they're going to get sick is when they're not at optimal health and so and we've had this problem
many times where you send your kids into group environment we're homeschooling but we still use
group environment um practices so you know they my daughter goes to something called the circus arts
they do like trapeze stuff or whatever we go to the bush school and they run around on the beach
and make campfires or they go to the farm and they you know pretend to be farmers or whatever
there's always other children around and you can't stop that that's real life and sometimes
they'll go for weeks and weeks and weeks and they'll be totally fine and then suddenly the
whole house is sick and i i often notice that it's actually more relative to my own stress levels
maybe like have we traveled somewhere it's quite a stressful process everyone's on high alert
your terrain might not be as relaxed and as
as relaxed and as strong as usual um so yeah it's it's a big old rabbit hole which
How many times you go into hospital, it's like,
oh wash your hands Okay why And they point to all of these different things in history where they say oh well that was the moment when everyone was able to like start washing their
hands and everyone got cleaner so okay well is that true a very recent example is uh we've had
problems with so okay the moment we are in Byron Bay really beautiful place on the east coast of
australia uh tropical climate so humidity levels get right up 60 70 percent 28 to 35 degrees
and there's mosquitoes everywhere and guess what they're itchy and the kids go and they itch their
ankles and suddenly you've got an infected mosquito bite and there is a bacterial infection
called impetigo or more commonly known as school sores that fucking loves it and so you can go
swim in a swimming pool you go hang out at a kids party or you go to bush school and one of the kids
might have school sores and before you know it like a bunch of them will pick it up why would one of my
children get it but the other two don't like serious question and that happened so in december
one of my kids had school sores all over her but the other two didn't have them and we were doing
this crazy thing like swapping all the towels out and not bathing them in the same place and making
ensure that they had full length clothes on the whole time so you couldn't touch them
you know because they scratch these infected bites and then they end up putting on their face and
they get them all over their face and whatever but it's like why wouldn't like you're telling
me if this thing travels why haven't the other two got it they're literally living in the same house
why haven't i got it so that very simple question shakes the entire thesis behind virology and if
you were to do that the entire vaccine business is bullshit which you know is the pharmaceutical
industry essentially and that's a whole nother rabbit hole of like how it's constructed and how
they have no like it just it's mental right it's completely wrapped up in modern government you
know recommended vaccine schedules you can't get into the kindergartens here they have a rule called
no jab no play that's one of the reasons we started doing homeschool was because if you
question any of their vaccinations for infants then you don't get public school funding okay
cool talk about a carrot versus a fuck-off stick you know it's like yep you're not getting any money
of us from the free kindergarten system that's set up which your tax dollars pay for because you
haven't done the medical stuff that we want you to do and the first thing that the government does
when these kids turn up check the vaccine records not are the parents married are they okay you know
are they sunburned like are they happy have they got some friends no no are you up to there on our
vaccine schedule um and that that's a whole nother thing of that what the hell like really what the
fuck is going on like why are there so many autistic kids why and i met i met an autistic
boy in a playground not long ago and the mum was like yeah his name is jack and he was he was walking
around with an ipad in the playground i was like why would a child have an ipad in the playground
and then i realized that he was sick and then i spoke with the mum and it's like yeah the day
after his mmr jack he came like that and they're then like bullied out of society this is the really
horrible thing is the the mutt they are all gaslit oh no no it can't be that it must be something
else what were you feeding them that day you know and that's actually something that really
can winds me up because it's just it's completely unnecessary to pump all these toxins into a
child's body for them to be quote-unquote healthy by the age of 12 it's insane mate and
you know before 2020 2021 i suppose before they started pushing all that stuff
we were just in normland over here you know all the kids that had that stuff touch wood
that um i don't know i just pray they all got saline solutions who knows like you know i'm
talking about like you can't go backwards you can't go backwards and you you think you're doing
the right thing at the time when you are gas lit as a parent and by the the trained um what's the
the pdp pediatrician who uh is just telling you like you know here's the schedule bring him back
like booking you in it's just absolute insanity and then when you learn about pastor and uh
and you learn about bachamp's opposing theory and opposing hypothesis and how he was basic
basically shut down and how Pasteur was lifted up by certain people and made the grandfather of
microbiology, which I think is what says on his, you know, even if it's a Wikipedia.
Is it?
Yeah, it's crazy.
I guess what resonates so much there though, Dan, is that it's that pattern recognition that you
start to pick up. This is what a good investor is, right? It's basically just, it's pattern
recognition. The next time my assets are 60% higher,
I'll know what to do because it's pattern recognition and not what I did last
time. Right. But, Oh, what a surprise.
250 years ago, is it even that long ago? 1880,
98, no 150 years ago,
commercial interests drove the outcome of this debate.
What a fucking surprise. Right. Sorry guys. No,
actually i want to just i want to steer clear of your recommended medication and i will stick to
taking the horse tranquilizer thanks very much cost nothing proves to work oh no you're now you know
you're going to kill everyone's grandma because you did that what are you talking about like
ivermectin it worked and it cost nothing right it's crazy mate there's uh another book you love
Murder by Injection, which was written by Eustace Mullins,
who was also the author of The Secrets of the Federal Reserve.
Yeah, I haven't read any of his books yet.
I need to get around to that.
Yeah, so Eustace goes through like the whole,
I mean, he'll go through,
he goes through so much deep research and gets the receipts.
That's the brilliant thing about his research.
And he was writing this all back in the 50s.
The Federal Reserve book,
obviously the uh the vaccination motorbike injection that came later uh but yeah the
the vaccination schedule i i can't even call them that anymore the jab schedules uh yeah it's can i
ask you do you think do you think that it is a concerted euthanasia process
is euthanasia the right word
is it actually a process
by which human beings
are being tricked into killing their children
for the greater good or however they might do it
or is it a
horrible set of incentives
that someone makes money and that's why
exists. I really
struggle with this whole idea of like they
do this stuff you know what I mean it's like
whoa who?
Tell me who
and explain to me why
but you know like
then there you are
on the plane and everyone's fucking
watching Netflix drivel and Red
and Daniel Prince are talking about reincarnation
in the fucking pharaohs
like I'm probably not the same
way as he's been right now
uh yes uh so to answer your question um always follow the money right and follow the incentives
and we know that commercial interests are hugely at play here in the big pharmaceuticals
uh and you can trace that all the way back to the flexner report and uh the rise of um
the uh the rockefeller medical kind of empire uh social engineering is at play
for sure eugenics is at play um is eugenics the word i meant not euthanasia right eugenics is the
active culling of the population essentially uh yeah basically it's population control
yeah wow and um the downstream that you never remember what book is i started reading and this
may even be one of the ones I see you
but then what we're dealing with
I think as well Jake are the
unintended consequences of these things
which you know
nobody knows look how they
dress this stuff up as well like SIDS
sudden infant
death syndrome like it's so
disgusting that gaslighting
is so absolutely
disgusting when people
I've got it here waiting to read I haven't
read it yet yeah where the fuck is this
book I'm thinking of
and they repackaged
they repackaged that recently
controlling the game
what is it sorry
Rockefeller controlling the game
I started reading it
and I just was so fucking depressed
very quickly it's like
you know third fourth generation
of you know the richest oil guy
in the world and they are setting up
all of these non-profits that
are helping dictate public policy
and you know like
the climate change
movement has come out of
an oil family for
generations I mean it's just like what the fuck
it was almost just too depressing
it's a bad one
I've read it
it includes everything
trilateral commission the council on
foreign relations all of
this you know the UN everything
all of this philanthropic
kind of charities that they set up It vile mate Like yeah It funny isn it though
It is kind of like a movie.
Like, if you were going to set up a front for something,
you'd call it something like the United Nations.
It's literally called that, you know?
I remember when I moved to Singapore, the Ministry of Manpower was one of the departments that they had.
And I always thought that was like a real dystopian name.
But that's what it actually is.
And the World Bank.
No, not the World Bank.
Actually, someone's printing press through which they force nations with stuff they want to take on large debt
with psychotic dictators that happily pilfer their own country
in exchange for a fat check.
The World Bank.
Like, it's laughable, isn't it, when you really start to think about it?
Sometimes one's so conditioned.
This is the school thing, right?
This is what school actually does, is you're so used to the good guy.
Oh, the United Nations, the good guys.
is it i mean this is kind of what bitcoin does isn't it you know you get
you get a bit more cantankerous and in some ways frustrated because it's like what
what's the point of all this and then it's actually do you know focus on what you can control
because that is just stuff that's just completely above your pay grade and it's just not even worth
wasting time about if some freak in the united nations wants to talk about killing people with
jabs go for it my kids won't be having them i'll be schooling them at home i'll be using
independent money and i'll do what the fuck i want cheers and other ones you could get too depressed
the way i kind of thought about it in the end mate because i i like you you know i was delving
into these topics and i want to you know i was sick and tired of being lied to i wanted to
understand more and the more you keep delving the darker it gets and uh i decided you know what
you can't play 4d chess in your head with a psychopath you have never met like you are
correct that is the absolute highway to hell so like you concentrate on your family concentrate on
money like real money bitcoin opting out of uh systems that you uh that are no longer serving you
or whether that's health.
In your case, you've done that with the home birth thing.
You made your decisions.
You're not going to use their toxic pharmaceuticals.
Same thing with education.
Opt out of that system.
That's the same thing with the money.
Opt out of the monetary system.
And live your life as best you can
and stay out of the firing line as much as you can.
It would actually be an interesting one
when you talked about you know the the darkness that started kind of creeping in as you were
looking at these things and searching for quote-unquote truth to um put that through a similar
ai process like what i just did around like oh my god price is just created i've got apex
commitments i've got lifestyle requirements i am not i'm i'm freaking out what do i do
it could you could do something very similar and do it to like four or five different ones and see
what comes back because it's probably going to give you similar advice to what we've already
discussed essentially like you're worrying about something you can't control if you're worried
about privacy i really like uh maple i don't know if you've ever come across maple but i had mark
on my podcast recently and he's it's a privacy focused ai so some of these ai models are open
source and therefore you can build products on top of that which protects the user data
so obviously we need to type this stuff into chat gbt like where's it going who's storing it yeah i
know exactly what you mean i was using rootster for a little while i wonder if rootster is still
around uh the idea being the idea being that you would pay a few sats to rootster and then that
you would ask it the question and then it would go out and collate the answers from different
sources and then bring it back to you but uh okay that's my high level and my my guess like
technologically is we'll see more stuff like that pop up and equally the cost of hosting your own ai
will fall because actually i don't want to be talking to sam altman no but that guy is like
off the radar sus like you know he's off the richter like that yeah what a fucking weirdo
and and zark like these guys like i just would never trust them ever and that's okay like you
can still use their tools just beware what you're doing um but what would be amazing is to have the
the computing infrastructure yourself so how quickly this will happen i don't know but
if you were to put 20 grand into some hardware you could probably build a pretty good ai of your own
i was chatting not long ago with a guy called mike hardcastle we come across mike on nostr
no no he's based in the uk actually um mike was talking about the different costing options for
building your own ai because obviously privacy is a big problem if you think about how easily
google have seeped into every part of your digital life they have your email they have your google
sheets they got your google docs and if you're on the free gmail package you just have to like spend
a few moments researching the small print and and your schedule clearly say calendar they've got your
calendar they know exactly where you are you're pointing um it wouldn't take it wouldn't take long
to fuck you up if they wanted to um all of this sensitive personal information is sitting on a
cloud that google owns and you happen to be leasing off them for a very small fee frankly
or for free but if it's free then we all know you're the user uh you're the you're the product
so if you're able to and this is a rabbit hole i haven't fully gone down but i would love to at
some point now i've bought a house i can make more long-term decisions because previously we
would basically all in on bitcoin which worked brilliantly in some areas but a very this is
another big big lesson that actually i really learned last year and i was trying to solve
but on the hierarchy of needs food and shelter at the very very very first level
and so when i started the process i had only one child a few years later i had three children
we had no fixed permanent address no real estate of our own we had bitcoin that done really well
like what is wealth it's just a number on a piece of paper in some ways if you don't have
real world assets that you can use then it became extremely stressful renting properties i packed up
17 times over three and a half years going from long-term rental into airbnb airbnb airbnb
trip for a bit airbnb airbnb airbnb long rental airbnb airbnb it was brutal um
where am i going with all this yeah i would love to set up one of those start nine servers and
like photographs contact lists hosted all yourself maybe have a couple of bitax miners
pumping away who knows but part of that hardware rig in your own house could be an llm that you run
and you feed with whatever you want to put in there and if i specifically think back to
kind of where this all started which is where my father died all the intellectual capital that he
had on the day he died disappeared with him except for what he was able to transfer to me
in the first 20 years of my life and his assets remained of which I inherited some and so I became
an investor and I've spent 15 years figuring out like how do you keep your stuff and I made a ton
of mistakes don't get me wrong by no means the finished product and this bear market's teaching
me a bunch more stuff that I thought that I you know had a better handle on and didn't
but if you could build a an AI that a family owns and that that information is yours you can put in
it what you want and all that information is it's kind of like campfire stories on steroids
if you think about how wisdom has been passed from generation to generation before
it's word of mouth and obviously when books were created that made a big difference in libraries
and the internet is again changing everything and then now now you have a financial advisor
mentor spiritual guru for 20 bucks a month in your pocket anywhere in the world any time that
you can pay for with independent money bitcoin it's crazy what's happened and it's actually when
you think about it through that lens like deflation is everywhere except for in the money
so hang on why the price is going up that doesn't make sense so in some ways what's going on right
now i think is like bitcoin has sniffed out a massive fucking problem and global markets are
about to get absolutely horrendous everyone's got their money wrapped up in the magnificent seven
and they're using it as a savings tool,
and no one's pumped any money up.
But they still owe shit loads of money and interest.
So at some point, the big print is coming,
to quote Larry Lepin,
at some point it's coming but it hasn't happened and i think we're in for a very very rocky like
two three four months where it's not just going to be bitcoin that's taking a dive it's going to
be a bunch of macro assets where everyone's like we don't know what's going on and it's because
we're all drunk we're drunk with this fake money no one knows what it does no one knows what it
means you can't price anything no one's got a clue what real value is just look at the houses that
get built they're dog turned they fall to pieces in a few years and so yeah i don't know how i've
got onto that rant but the the process of having an in-house an in-house ai would it have made
yeah it would have made my father's death easier from a practical perspective
because you've got this wisdom that you can just tap into
so yeah we'll see if that's where the world goes but i wouldn't be surprised if that's what
people start doing very interesting mate uh i want to bring it back to education because i know that's
a topic that really interests you obviously myself as well looking forward to that rip with uh with
red tail hawk that you guys are going to do i did that's what actually our first episode was uh was
about learning how you learn uh i was and again these things happen for a reason i was gifted this
book uh by my daughter because her she plays on a football team and the captain of her football team
her father wrote a book and they have that in common my daughter's father me wrote a book as
well and so uh she knew i'd love it um but again it's one of these dark dark it's called stiff
upper lip by alex oh yeah this is what he texted me about i haven't yet read it yeah okay it's
It's on my Kindle, ready to go.
The subtitle is Secrets, Crimes, and the Schooling of a Ruling Class.
So if anybody was in any doubt, even after the Epstein files,
if you're still in any doubt at all,
that our governments are run by psychopathic,
and they're groomed this way, by the way,
through the boarding school system, especially in the United Kingdom.
So I'm talking specifically about the UK.
I know boarding isn't so prevalent in perhaps Australia or America.
Yeah, I boarded from the age of 8 to 18, so I'm very, very familiar with that.
This book is going to blow you away, man.
Wow.
What school? I wonder if it was even mentioned in here.
So the school I went to from the age of 8 to 13 was called Sandroid, which is in Wiltshire.
and then 13 to 18 was a place called brianston which is in north dorset so alex himself went to
well ended up at eton but went to a prep school i can't remember what the name of the prep school
was but he basically gabo mate would you know tell you exactly the same here so would rob brindan
uh you know the minute you drop off a seven or eight year old boy or girl at a boarding school
you've created uh the trauma of separation trauma separation anxiety yep and then you walk as that
young man i mean i don't need to tell you you've actually done it into this institution that is
full of complete strangers and back in these days when he was going to the boarding schools in like
the 60s and 70s flagellation and corporal punishment was an absolute no like no problem at all
like getting the whip getting the cane but then he starts going into the darker stuff as well that
was happening um a lot of it uh was you know the boys would be you know cuddling up to each other
in bed purely because that's the only way that they could feel a cuddle an eight-year-old boy
not being near its mother uh is you know again you've got that trauma there uh and you've got a
lot of unsolved trauma in in the back of your mind but what happens is a lot of these guys
uh they get they get empathy brick beaten out of them completely and they'll be totally
unempathetic by the age by middle teens and then when they go on to become you know the scholars
of Eton or wherever else that they might go to.
That's where we get our judges from.
That's where we get our
presidents.
They don't know love.
Prime ministers.
I couldn't think.
That's where we get our politicians from.
You're like, wow, this is crazy when you see it.
And then you look at our past politicians here in the UK.
They've all been through this, right?
Churchill famously.
He's quoted in the book Johnson, Sunak, Cameron, Blair, Brown.
Wow.
It's very interesting.
It actually was really making me quite emotional listening to you talk about that.
and
being
eight years old
and being dropped by your parents
at place
and left there
is fucked up
and what's so crazy
is
it's only
now that I'm really thinking
about that
so it was interesting when I first moved
to Australia about six years ago now
I did a fair bit of work with a psychologist and the therapy took me to a place I never expected but
I I didn't think of myself as an anxious person but at that time and this is around COVID I was
definitely struggling with anxiety I was drinking too much to like I would drink for like three or
four days and I mean I don't mean like um drunk all day but like Thursday oh yeah I'm gonna have
drink on a Thursday and you know Saturday Sunday still drinking you know like in the afternoon or
whatever and I realized that I was fucking exhausted and the booze was masking the tiredness
and also the anxiety and one of the reasons that I was struggling with that was from the experience
of trying to always impress my family
because I thought that was the way
to get accepted back by them.
And it is a abandonment reverb
where as an eight-year-old,
what the fuck has just happened?
I must have done something wrong
to be kicked out of the family home.
where is my mum where is my dad and my wife and I spoke about this relatively recently
this is before mobile phones I was sent to as an eight-year-old would have been 1998
1996 I was sent to school and maybe once a week you'd be allowed into a phone box
to like call your home and even though they were a 20 minute drive away which is actually pretty
close some people like three hours away some people had parents work in the foreign office
they were like literally living the other side of the world um i would see them potentially at sport
games so like i used to play a lot of sport and one of the reasons i like playing sports because
i thought my parents would come and watch you want their attention like why why have i been kicked
out and it just it's fascinating suddenly in my 30s i was questioning like well hang on a second
was that actually a beneficial experience and of course the pushback is like what the fuck why do
you leave me here oh well it's for your for your best interest mate we're paying for it that's like
the best education you can get shut the fuck up aka your emotions don't matter
and that breeds a sense of well i'm fine i'm fine and then you throw into the mix well actually some
of the most i'm not going to swear too aggressively but some of the most savage little buckers are
young boys and i don't remember a time where i ever shared a bed with a boy from fear but i
I remember two Spanish boys came over, brothers.
They got sent to learn English and stuck at our school.
Poor, poor, poor guys.
I can't even remember their names now.
They would share a bed, the brothers,
because they were fucking petrified.
Like they didn't really speak English, right?
And they were just left in this place.
In terms of like the sexual connotations
of what you're talking about with British boarding school,
I never experienced anything myself that was,
and thankfully you know like boy pedophilia type stuff but there was rumors strong rumors of like
previous headmasters there was a common joke that you know you get called into this guy's room and
you get given the the red hot poker i mean it was like that's not funny but everyone apparently
thought it was like kind of funny coping mechanism um yeah well exactly you're coping yeah
so and you're right about that idea of like where
even to this day some of my best friends from boarding school from that period of my life but
we didn't have parents we had each other so you you had this extraordinarily strong bond and you
got through it and i i won't mention their names they'll never be listening to this but one of my
Aussie mates came to our wedding and my friend was opening up in a circle of maybe four guys about actually how difficult he found boarding school and he been doing some therapy work and
it was really helping and he finished his whole story and my other friend just turns around
fucking pussy it was like one of those classic stories where it's it's an amusing joke but like
jokes on the guy that made that shitty joke at the end because he doesn't feel anything
he cannot feel and that same guy we made jokes about the fact that he can't hug
you give him a hug and they give this like awkward pat thing like dude i'm your friend
you can hug me it's okay and these people go on to be business leaders government officials
I actually
was at the wedding of Churchill's
granddaughter in the basement of
the House of Parliament
one of my mates from uni married her
so I know
these kind of characters in that sense
and it was an amazing experience
being able to do that in black tie
in the fucking House of Parliament
how unbelievably cool is that
but at the same time
yeah what a system
it's for your own good boy
get back there
and what does that teach someone
and so Gabor Marte is a great
example of this where
it's
trauma
and that trauma you carry with
you for your life
and
the ramifications of that is people
make poor decisions, poor choices
yet they're
apparently leaders
so
well, didn't expect to go
there tonight no interesting when i was reading this book uh i know i'd heard you talk about or
we'd talked about on past um podcasts about uh your boarding school experience and uh i remember
there's a few other bitcoiners out there as well freddie knew actually um last time i was out uh
having dinner with him he mentioned this book he said oh there's a book out there i really need to
get my hands on and it just so happened to turn up in mine so another like a little bit of
synchronicity there as well you know yeah you know how these weird things happen um but yeah for
anybody that wants to delve into gabble marty's work around that it's called hold on to your kids
is the best book uh to to look at that and um especially those that are considering homeschooling
as well because that he delves into not just boarding school but any any school in general
and it's getting even public school now that's the other thing right the orwellian nature of
calling a private school a public school in the united kingdom right it's it that's just so weird
Yeah, it's a charity. And that's how they function. Yeah.
So even Marte would say just sending a kid to like a state school at the age of four or five, whatever it is, it's the same sense of traumatic separation at the school gate right there at that moment, because you can't explain to little Johnny.
They couldn't explain to little Jake. They might have told you for a year in advance. So come your eighth birthday, a few months after that, you're going to be going to like big boy school or whatever. And you're going to get you're going to live there with other friends. You're going to make great friends. Or maybe they didn't. But even if they did, you still can't as an eight year old.
you can't rationalize it you can't take that in until the day comes where you pull up on the
gravel and the door opens and oh yeah your bag's packed in the boot like this is it now son like
it's it's mad completely mad and the weird thing that renton talks about in the book is
most parents will redo it to their own children come the time yeah the pattern repeats
yeah it's like a shared trauma
you know I was fine so you'll be fine
exactly
really
yeah and to put into context as well
the decision making that one does now
and this is why I've always loved podcasting the most
is why do people do things
and learning from them for that
that makes sense and so right now i've got three children of my own what makes the most sense and
i never expected to live in australia i made this joke many times but australia to me was like
the wallabies who england could never be fosters who had an amusing beer advert but you know no
one ever drank it dudes with flip-flops on and board shorts in fulham in the middle of winter
and maybe a gap year student you didn't go there you've missed home and away and neighbors i know
oh yeah of course and that too and here i am married to an aussie living in australia
and got three aussie kids and you know you just never pick these things right but the um
i can't remember where i was going with that yeah yeah and so the idea that i'd be living
in Australia homeschooling my children is not what the system taught me that's for sure the
system was repeat you know get a job pay tax make sure you get enough money to send them back to the
same institution that you went to before if you manage to do that you're successful so okay
what are the benefits of it and you know we've already covered many of the angles like well
actually maybe they're not quite as good as what you thought but most important is this idea of of
love and and self-connection and self-worth and if you are separated from the family unit
in such like literally like severed left like i haven't been parroted for 30 years at this stage
you know um when my wife and i were looking into this specifically to our understanding and i think
would say this too the most important period of time in a child's life is the first seven years
and really the most important thing in those seven years is primary carer contact
so the more time that you as the parents can spend with your kids until the age of seven
the better very very simple so even people that you know i know in some case people do this by
choice in some places in some ways they do this because they feel they have to but leaving an 18
month old child at a nursery or daycare center and going to work for seven or eight hours
fuck that like are you mental what are you what the hell that's not normal
and even you know five-year-olds spending five days a week from eight o'clock in the morning
till three o'clock in the afternoon in uniform in a room without a parent like and it's been
interesting because even some people that we feel like we've met along the parenting journey that we
have similar feelings to or similar thought processes to they're just sending their kids
to the local government school and it's because it's easy you know and everyone does it and
that's okay that's their choice you know i'm not going to shame them or judge them for it so it's
absolutely up to them but what's the best choice for us and our decision has been homeschool
and in this instance what does that actually look like well they're five three and one i don't sit
down and coach them algebra like we might go to the beach we might go to the playground we might
go to the cafe and get a baby chino and a ham cheese toasty we might have an argument over the
ipad i might lose my shit at like 5 30 because i'm so fucking over it and i finally get them in bed
and i do a podcast you know it's it's not it's not rocket science um but yeah i mean things that
concern me about about the the state funded education today that are just really obvious
red flags it's like is it a boy or is it a girl and and this this subject of gender filtering into
government approved syllabus at younger and younger ages like but what what is that and
it's not that that subject is completely off the radar and should never be allowed it's more that
the day that you leave that child you have lost autonomy over what they see hear think do
and again i'm not into brainwashing anyone but actually i think this might have been a book you
mentioned before daniel uh and i i've read it now and it's just excellent uh peter gray free to learn
yes and i've actually if you want to go back i've had him on the podcast dig it out
but I might have done it was definitely you that was talking about it and let's be fair as well
moment in time huge inspiration for me like homeschooling is real Jake Daniel did it okay
cool you know we can do this so thank you for helping head down this rabbit hole um but his
points that resonated most was like you think about hunter gatherer tribe the the children have
more autonomy to do what the hell they want in that scenario than anything else all the children
play together regardless of age and they're all safe because they have common sense we have it all
we've all got it you don't need some i'm gonna say like something rude about overweight vegan
lefty looking after your child you know but that's like it's like that's what there's actually
something that robert kiyosaki gets right because he's actually getting more and more painful but
the the school teacher dad that he had that was like work your whole life save for retirement and go fucking nowhere is in charge of teaching your child how to be in the world like is that the kind of character you want and i i don want to bash on teachers because often
they're such beautifully minded people about their intention their intention is strong and good
but they're just wrapped up in this system of just pathetic pointlessness where it's like
you're actually a drain you're a complete drain of course you vote left because if you didn't you
wouldn't have a job okay try entrepreneurship no no you want to teach a business class
what go and start a business mate you know and and the internet changes everything right so
you do not need to go to oxbridge to get the best education in the world in fact and going back to
where this conversation started you can you can get chat gpt subscription for 20 bucks on a mobile
phone that will teach you more about the specific scenario you're in and give you an answer faster
than anything else has ever been possible for that thing for 20 bucks done and so the way that we
the way that we sell package and consume information has forever changed but the school system hasn't
so you want my child
five and a half years old
to wear a school uniform
sit in a room
be taught by someone
with zero vision
who's scared of doing anything
than what they currently do
because they'll lose their job
will happily line up
and get the jab
because they'll lose their job
and
I could actually get
everything they know
in 30 seconds
on a mobile phone
doesn't make sense
so think about so you know that that's why we're homeschooling essentially we think we can do it
better ourselves and i am extremely dubious about the the the kind of knock-on impacts
and the negative externalities of not having them in your home
it's think like a 45 year old school teacher has been at school for 40 years
yeah fuck depressing that that's the only system they know
maybe i shouldn't be so harsh like depressing it's you know it's their choice like they could
do what they like but look the true mentorship is such an amazing gift and something that
people should be able to share with the world but they're not able to share it in that system
that system is not set up for mentorship that system is set up for reading and following a
textbook to the t and putting that shoving that knowledge down you know the kids necks
and uh woe be tied that you go and check an ai to see if there is another opposing like biology
right the kids are doing gcsc biology they're not going to have heard of bachamp like that is not on
the table if they come home and look at their ai and like oh yeah what about vaccinations how is
that going in the 1850s 70s whenever it was and ai says oh well there was two opposing theories
huh okay well that's interesting you bring that up at school and no that's not on the test what
are you talking about we've got a couple of young lads come to our bitcoin meetup started their own
podcast so shout out to those boys uh orange pill order is the name of the podcast and they're both
studying economics at a level and they they tell us the funny stories we're like so do you ever
push back like all the time but like at the end the teacher just turns around and says
lads if you want to pass the exam just put down the shit i'm telling you to put down on the paper
that does that make sense certificate so then you've got to ask who creates the curriculum and
who has the monopoly over the certification process and that will take you all the way back
to the same names who set up the general education board in 1902 and funded in 1903 by a secret
meeting in 1902 to set up the general education board in the united states um yeah was held by
rockefeller and uh six of his goons and funded by rockefeller with one million dollars in 1903
to start the general education board and anybody can go to the wikipedia page page of the general
education board, read that history. It's right there for you. It's not hidden. And then follow
the incentives from there. So, right. Okay. We now get to set the curriculum. That's brilliant.
And let's give them a nice shiny piece of paper. If they only put down the answers that we want
them to put down from the research that we have gleaned from the people we're paying over here to
do the actual scientific research, but we'll keep what the actual research is telling us.
We'll cherry pick. We'll teach to the other side of that so we can create our medical health insurance and pharmaceutical empire on the other side.
And yes, now we're just crazy conspiracy theorists, but all you've got to do is follow the money and read the books.
It's all there.
And it is deeply concerning, so much of this history and the obvious conditioning.
and it's like that phrase
like
history's written by the victor
and when you really
think about what that means
you just got half the story
what's the other
half of the story
and when that compounds
so the British
royal family is a good example of this
like
it's the same crew
just different names
for a long, long, long time.
How?
You know, and we all get taught the kings and queens of England
as part of our history.
You know, that's one of the reasons there's a public holiday
in Australia called Australia Day.
It happened just recently, end of January.
And it's become more and more and more contentious
because for the Aboriginal community in Australia,
it's like well no it was not a good day when those dudes turned up like i'm not celebrating
invasion day and of course it's then got politicized and there's the woke lefties that
are jumping on the oh ethnic minority let's help them out because we're you know so useless
ourselves we've got to focus on someone else's problem to make ourselves feel better bullshit
that is insanely painful just let some blokes smash some smash some beers and pop some sausages
on a barbecue and just get on with it, right?
But the point being is like,
who writes the history books?
What's real?
And that still gets me.
You can't not question everything,
absolutely everything.
And in some ways, it's very difficult
because it's just so unsettling.
It's like, hang on, what?
What the hell's going on here?
But what, so let me ask you, Daniel, what is, well, two questions come to mind, but as frustrating as the education system is, like, what is education? And if I could kind of tee that up, to me, I'm thinking about, okay, well, right now, homeschooling makes sense. And I love this idea of self-directed learning.
So if I can create an environment at home, and again, this ties back into the financial journey just recently, I was working on the wrong metrics.
I was optimizing for how many Bitcoin I might have had and how much that was as a net asset.
But really, my job is as a provider and as a durability layer and a stability function and a calm base for this family unit to survive.
And so what's education for them?
It depends what they're interested in.
But what's helped me most in my life is the ability to do my own work.
You know, like a great example of this from a more academic perspective is I did economics, shitloads of it.
I did a business management degree.
I have a Bachelor of Arts in business management.
That had microeconomics, that had macroeconomics, that had maths and statistics.
i was a complete keynesian fucking idiot basically and you come across this thing called bitcoin you're
like hang on what's sound money wait hang on who's karl menger hang on who's lubbik von meises
hang on a second what the this actually makes sense hang on so economics is about human action
yeah oh that was me thinking it was all about i'm going to tweak the interest rate and that's
going to play around with demand and now everyone's going to have a bit more disposable income
and that's going to mess around with inflation but don't worry we can handle that because actually
we'll just play around with the money that doesn't make sense does not make what so three
80 year old dudes can set the price of money no that's dumb that's the cost of capital that dude's
more risky than this dude okay cool well his interest rates higher than this guy not one
blanket number for the whole market doesn't make sense so yeah wow okay this is the ranting's good
isn't it uh what does education mean though daniel you know so what is memorization important well
yes but maybe not as important as it used to be so if i was a lawyer right now i'd be shitting it
right if i was a any all the white collar professional services that all of the boarding
the school guys that I grew up with are now doing those jobs,
they're under the pump.
They've got to be, right?
The lawyers, the accountants, the architects,
like making big money doing all these apparently very important jobs
that now – I saw a stat recently.
It used to take six people six weeks to put together an IPO prospectus AI does that in now minutes 95 So what are you going to get paid for
You're still going to get paid for insight and wisdom.
And if you're the guy that gets paid for that,
you'll actually probably get paid even better
because you're now extremely efficient
and you don't need a team of people to do your IPO prospectus.
You can do it yourself and still sell the same thing.
but yeah where's education going like how do you provide for that in the future
obviously we make it up as we go along but i'm intrigued like where do you see it all going
yeah i like because some of your kids have ended up at school so yeah we may not plan but also of
course that's their choice so yeah we've had a mix but um when they were young like the self-directed
education I thought was really very very important and that's what I gleaned from Peter Gray reading
his work John Holt reading his work and Naomi Fisher as well you know reading her work and the
idea there basically being you know how do you quantify education at such a young age and but we
are programmed into believing little johnny should be reading xyz books by the age of four or five
you've got to be grade three by then you've got to be great otherwise you're being going to be
left behind and all this kind of stuff all of this pressure again on the parents right
sell the fear but the self-directed education method which isn't really a method this is the
natural way if you go back throughout human history yeah it's just normal it's normal like
oh look they're interested in picking up a pencil and like making scribbles on pieces of paper so
just get more paper more paper and more more pencils yeah it's that simple as a parent uh
or they're interested in picking up a musical instrument okay let's go buy a second hand guitar
or something and put that in the put that in their lap and it doesn't have to be a birthday present
it doesn't have to be a christmas present doesn't have to be this great big thing you've got to wait
for it's like no as the parent get in their way when you see an interest when you see a flicker
of light a spark they like climbing trees take them to the local climbing club or something you
know it might all be gone and done within three or four weeks that the interest might have moved on
but that's the fun thing because they might have learned what they needed to learn because okay
i'm done with that now on to the next thing whereas parents make the mistake of all right okay here's
the guitar uh we've booked you in for like a six-week course lessons we're going to take you
to a place they're going to teach you how to play it i didn't want to like a five-year-old might
just want to sit there play with her and then done weeks later and that is to them learn move on
next thing always changing always moving always learning always learning every second of every day
yeah i feel like that's that's the i i heard pete winn talk about this recently so shout out to pete
wasn't even that recently but the he did a podcast with gg that i tuned into and they were talking
about the speed of iteration when you've got technology to play with which is bitcoin ai and
NOSTA together and it was essentially the the speed of iteration for entrepreneurship is so fast
now and you've got to be trying new stuff every day because ultimately the computers are figuring
out how to do the stuff that you were doing last week and so if you want to continue to create a
margin in a world that is deflationary and backed by censorship resistant money censorship
resistant communication and ai then you need to have the ability to create faster than that system
to get paid and that's basically what you just described always learning and i don't think our
our school system does that like by design by design it absolutely shatters the desire to learn
the love of learning is gone within week one generally because as a five or six year old
even if you survive uh like a a half decent nurturing primary school by the time you're
11 and you get to that secondary stage like forget it man like you know you are absolutely
pounded with the nine to ten gcse's that you're expected to get you know c grades or above four
they don't even use letters anymore do they i don't know what they do uh so but then you've got
a geography class first thing in the morning then you move into science then you have a short break
then you move into english lit then you have another short break or some lunch or you eat some
like nutritionally dead food and then you finish off the day with like a double math or something
and then off you go home and you know rinse and repeat and by friday you're exhausted you're done
you resent books you don't want to be your social battery is completely drained you don't want to
see another adult because the adult in the room to you represents the teacher who holds the power
over you and um can make your life hell basically uh by by virtue of the the grade they're going to
give you next week which you completely read all weekend like we're doing this to kids man like
this is nonsense uh so ken robinson said um he was talking about adhd the rise of uh you know
he's like well don't be surprised if you ask an eight-year-old to do low-grade clerical work for
seven hours a day five days a week if they might fidget during the day you know and force them
into clothing that they would never choose to wear like it's insanity
yeah the the the the pharmaceutical angle is a really a really pretty horrible one isn't it
so well a small boy is designed just to run and run and run and run and you want him to sit
and sit and sit and sit it's no surprise he's going insane and then you want to dose him up
with whatever you know uh it's actually
what i hate the most when i see that happening is when parents are told that their child is a
problem and then the parent instead of being like huh maybe the system is the problem they're like
oh yeah it must be the child's fault because then it's not their fault and it's like oh recommend
me something to solve the problem are now they're taking ritalin you've you've hit it this isn't
you're kidding me right this is called the brain or blame dilemma
as coined by naomi fisher who was a child psychologist and she was a psychologist here
in the uk in the system and i've listened to a podcast episode you did with her for sure
so that might be where i just heard that actually thinking about it but like she's she nails it
because you know she had a two-year waiting list out of her door for parents basically begging for
diagnosis because the brain is um you know oh there's something wrong with your child's brain
so the blame is like oh it's not me on the parent it's like oh there's something so you get caught
exactly as you just uh described um but never question the system never question the terrain
that the child is in and surrounded by.
I wonder how could one see or expect a shift or a change at scale?
And speaking just from my very personal experience,
having three children at home between two of you full time is exhausting.
Oh, yeah.
And even having the time and space do it, that's very unusual.
If I hadn't bought Bitcoin at a good time, I'm 37 years old.
I should really be on a construction site from 7 in the morning until at least 3 p.m.
and out of the house all day, which would leave three small kids with one mother all day,
which would eventually break them too.
so homeschooling as an option has its hurdles there's no doubt about that and school
in some ways solves those problems when there's the need to work so if you've got both parents
working you can't homeschool now are they both working out of choice or out of necessity
i don't know everyone's situation is different but i wonder how it would be possible to homeschool
at scale more when work is a requirement you know your time is valuable and you get paid for your
time and that's what pays the bills so i don't know how that changes all too quickly
um obviously it's it requires a healthy appetite of like i got to do things differently and you
meet people all the time doing things differently so you can do it some people are lazy there's no
two ways about it some people are scared some people feel social pressure you know all those
different things add up as well but um that the physical hands-on nature of having children
with you all the time is in itself a challenge so i don't know how
how more people could do it in a sense like you know it's like oh wouldn't it be great if everyone
just homeschooled their kids sure but it's a full-time job you can't do anything else almost
so i don't know how that you know what i mean if we were to be like all
roasted into glasses and get the world you know taking responsibility for their own children i
don't i don't know how you actually solve some of those problems because
you know then the accountants wouldn't be
at work and then the lawyers wouldn't be at work and then the construction site would be empty and
it just doesn't work and that i guess is then the the division of labor and we're not in hunter
gatherer tribes any longer we live in mega cities with millions and millions of people all with like
ultra new skills that trade with each other all day long benefiting from the network effects
and the power law that is a city so again that's not going to reverse it's going to continue so i
I don't know how I see it playing out, I guess.
I love the question, what does the ultimate,
what does a 25-year-old look like?
Like, where are you trying to get to?
And I've not spent enough time, admittedly,
even really thinking about that, to be honest,
because I've been doing other stuff.
But, you know, that's the goal.
Like, what is a well-rounded 25-year-old?
Like, what are the most basic skills that they need to have
to thrive in their own lives?
obviously understanding money understanding physical health understanding food understanding
how to communicate understanding how to learn actually it's what red described learning as
learning is love that's how he described it in our pod that's about to come out
nice that really resonated with me so well you're like oh my god a school doesn't give you love
no so it's not learning so it's interesting you know what would a 25 year old look like and then
you listed all those attributes and if you look at a 25 year old today they meet almost none of them
you've got someone who doesn't understand money who is in debt already by virtue of going to the
university system you know they'll come out with uh tens of thousands of pounds if not hundreds of
thousands of dollars depending on you know where you live in the world uh in debt uh their love of
learning has was crushed as we talked about so that they might have managed to get themselves a
job and they'll be learning on the job as a necessity rather than a love.
And they'll generally just take the first thing that comes up.
It won't be something they studied. Yeah.
Just readdressing some of those things for a 25 year old would be incredible.
Like the debt burden, first of all, because, you know, that's the incentive.
That's the invisible hand, right. That is going to guide your decisions.
Yeah.
and Bitcoin is an answer, right?
You know, for our kids, for Bitcoin families,
I hope that, you know, when our young kids,
my oldest now is 20, so yours is five.
So, you know, when yours becomes 25,
having learned so much from you and your wife
and being around you both for so much of that journey
will carry them all in one significant manner
and hopefully learning about money as well
because you're a Bitcoiner.
You talk about money on the internet.
There's a brilliant kids book called Rhyming Bitcoin
that even Ruby says,
oh, dad, I know what your favorite book is.
I was like, what do you mean?
Rhyming Bitcoin.
I'm like, yeah, good one.
But 20 years from now is 2046.
So just to play a game for a second in terms of the timeline that we're on.
Now, I mean, well, it's now been over 10 years since I've owned Bitcoin.
December 2015 was when I first bought some.
And what an insane return.
I mean, it's just nuts, right?
but it was really 2020 that I went into overdrive of like what the hell is this thing I've owned it
for five years it's by far and away the best thing that I've owned from a performance perspective
you know you can't get a shower that's broken or a tenant that walks out you don't get some
snivelly money manager that tells you they're amazing and then you know hides the fact that
actually you're losing purchasing power every year this is incredible and you know if mr michael
saylor hadn't done what he did with microstrategy i might not have noticed but that was just something
i was like what do you mean he's put bitcoin on the balance sheet that's nuts how many accountants
would tell him that's not possible how many lawyers would tell him that's not possible
no mate stock listed company bitcoin cash reserve you better start looking at this thing much more
closely and that's what really kicked off the whole process
but I cannot
believe that we're in 2026
it's just going
so much slower than what I
thought would happen
the gradually then
suddenly meme
and Parker's writing is excellent
some of the very best but it still like it gradually there nothing sudden about it It going so slowly that like in 2046 there might still be central banks
And I thought they'd be dust, but there might be.
And they might have coded up to governments even more.
And that whole concept of CBDC is completely reasonable.
Makes sense for them.
if you want to pay us
which you'll have to because you'll owe us tax
and if you don't you're going to jail
or you get kicked out of the country
then you've got to pay us in this money
that we control
and
that makes a lot of sense to me
but my point being is when my eldest is 25
obviously the world will be
very different
and 2046 seems so far away
but maybe it won't be all that different
you know it's just so hard to know
isn't it
the big print like it has to happen it has to happen but we don't know when this is one of again
another massive lesson for me this this quarter is i don't ever want to be in a situation again
where i'm a forced seller that's what i have learned and so my liquidity management was poor
and so in an environment where you know the big prince coming but you don't know when
it's about being as stable and as durable and as tough to just long it out you got to be able to
hibernate until this thing blows up and at some point it will happen and that might be when my
daughter's 25 20 years from now but when she's that age of course she will be you know a sound
money advocate and will understand the importance of separating money from state and will live in a
very different world i don't see a future to be honest in which the average child will be
they'll be kind of coerced through an education system that then puts them in debt by the time
they're 21 for the rest of their life that doesn't make sense a horrible horrible handbrake on
productivity and happiness and all the incentives that screw that up more and more people will opt
out of it. Here in Australia, I know this is true. The university system here is so underwater
that do not make money and they cost a shitload. The government is propping them up with student
migrants that they are paying to move to Australia to fill the universities. Why do they want that?
new taxpayers
right
new debt owners
perfect let's keep this whole sham
going as long as possible
property buyers
labour
it's basically just a ton of Indian dudes
coming over doing engineering degrees
and being paid to go to parts of Australia
to sit in engineering departments
and apparently study
and it's just
you could only do that if you had a money
printer
you're paying people from other countries to come to your country to learn
and you know like that's not rational capital allocation
so i want to create a new mine and we're going to dig some coal we're going to sell it to china
great we need some miners okay cool we pay them for that because they're delivering value
an education system that's selling information that's already bankrupt can apparently afford
to ship in customers that are taking on debt to pay for it doesn't make sense so but then it helps
the greater good the system the system can carry on
yes dodgy it's uh yeah i was talking to a few months ago and then i'll tell you this little
anecdotal story then ask you the final question because we're going to yeah sure uh my wife just
called me as well which is always a good one a couple of months ago a uh a guy that handled rental
uh properties in the in london in the uk told me that um the student uh market because that's where
he was he was renting houses flats to students said the chinese market has fallen out of bed by 50
percent like what what are you saying like that is crazy so yep they're just not coming over to
the universities and that is brand new like that is this year so i'm waiting for those ripple effects
and if that just uh chinese i mean are they being replaced by other uh nations i don know but you know to your point the same thing going on in the universities here uh in the uk it doesn surprise me yeah uh you know there my 18 year old she about to finish
her a level she's not going to go to university none of the um we had our meets up the other day
and i think we had five 18 year olds there and i asked who's going to university not one hand went
up i'm like this is amazing you know you couldn't have imagined this like five to ten years ago
It would have been the rite of passage,
but that is definitely changing now.
Yeah.
It's going to be interesting.
But it doesn't make sense.
No, it doesn't make sense.
If you can,
all the information you need
is on a mobile phone for $20 a month.
Why would you go to university?
Yep.
All right, Jay.
So come on.
Okay, hit me with the final question
because I can hear the baby
and I know that two hours in
I should stop gassing away with you.
If you had one last orange pill
left to give to somebody,
Who would you give it to?
Of course you're going to ask me this.
I should just go with instinct, shouldn't I?
Probably my brother.
And in previous years, I would have probably gone more like world leader-y type answer.
but more and more and more
I get less vocal about advocacy
I'm just getting on with my life
and there are just some people I know
that would just benefit from it so much
and they just don't get it
they actively choose not to get it
they want it to fail
they want you to be wrong
because it helps their own bias.
And it's some of the most difficult thing.
So shout out to my younger bro, wherever he is.
We're actually not really on speaking terms at the moment,
which is a whole other story and it's never happened to us before.
But an orange pill would probably help.
Wonderful.
Well, thank you, mate, for coming on.
Thanks for everything you do as well in your own way.
Your podcast is great.
where can people come and find you and uh and interact what's the best way to reach out
uh great question so just head to my website jakewoodhouse.io and then you can find wherever
you like to consume stuff i like all of us going through this process it's it's evolved over the
years and currently i'm only posting on rss feeds and nostor i got just so fed up with
the censorship threat
I'm like
screw those guys
but
if you retreat to the
fringes of the internet
the amount of people
that spend time there
drastically reduces
so one fundamentally has to ask the question
why are you doing something
so
like all these things it's evolving
but yeah head to my website
you can find my email address send me an email if you want to reach out and get in touch then do and
yeah thank you for having me on daniel it's always great to have a conversation like this and
i just i just love the long form it's crucial but you can't hide
you know i think of all of those years stupid recent example but that's not to say that i'm a
massive trump fan or republican or anything but you got the guy talking to rogan for three hours
go and listen to it
you know
are these people completely mad
you can't act for three hours
you know
and yet the state funded
media outlet
wants to put on a two minute clip
that chops up
a two hour, do you know what I mean
it's acting
with actors
that
that's a whole other podcast probably
isn't it but no good time stanley thank you so much for having me on all right mate we'll go see
the uh the baby go see the wife and uh we'll catch up again soon take care thanks mate
thank you everybody for listening thank you jake for coming on thank you for sharing that story
about the house purchase and how you had um kind of misallocated there and uh feeling that pain
sending big love to you and the family and for everything that you do for bitcoin and bitcoin
with your own podcast and your own education. It's going a long way. I'm absolutely certain
of that And I hope people reach out and discuss with you what you talked about here today from home birth to managing a Bitcoin holding to a house purchase to a renovation job to exorcism to reincarnation
Like, we went all over the map on this one, guys.
All over the map.
You might have to go back and re-listen to a few of these parts.
Just because it was intense, some of that stuff.
like it's uh yeah i i didn't think i talked about some crazy stuff on podcasts before but i think
this is the first time exorcism has come into it uh so thanks jake like uh well very very interesting
and who knows that tiny part of this conversation might help someone out there listening either
right now or in five to ten years time from now and that's the power of having these conversations
and being so open and then being able to share them on an open decentralized platform like fountain
where you can go and listen and boost you can stream stats to the show and you can boost the
show or you can go find jake he's got his own podcast over there subscribe over there and listen
to his back catalog because he's got some incredible guests and he does a few shows where
he just goes through what he's learned and just lays it all out there. So yeah, go connect with
Jake and thank you so much as always for listening. I did those shout outs at the beginning. Thank you
to all of those guys that were boosting sats, sending messages, getting involved in the
conversation really uh really cool to see and uh share the conversation around with uh with anyone
you want uh this one is very approachable some of the stolen science series that i've done you know
we don't talk about bitcoin you know if you're if your friends are like oh yeah you know whatever i
don't need to listen to any of your bitcoin podcasts you're just that's crazy you guys are
all conspiracy theorists and not jobs and whatever else and blah blah blah there are some stuff the
the Stolen Science series.
I suppose they're conspiracy theories as well.
But how many conspiracy theories are left?
They all get improved.
Like, you know, the chemtrails,
the geoengineering,
the weather modification,
the weather warfare.
Do you honestly still believe
that's a load of old shit?
It's happening right above your heads right now.
There's an episode, Stolen Science 6,
with Peter Kirby going down that rabbit hole.
10 years of research.
I've just read a book as well
called Bitten by Christy Newby.
and that is an incredible expose about the Lyme disease biological weapon and warfare that the
American government waged on their own people all of that seems to be dropping right now but she wrote
this book back in 2019 so it's just another conspiracy theory that is now being you know
oh yeah actually guys yeah they were right like yeah move on now and here's some leaked information
for you which is already all in the book and you got someone like Robert Malone being peddled out
on CNN and CNBC and like he's the flapping head of Lyme disease now whereas this lady did the
disease after being completely crippled by it her and her husband for years she went down the rabbit
hole she uncovered all of this and she wrote the book the book is called bitten this is an
unofficial shill uh it was a Christmas present by my wife that I just read and like it just blew my
mind and now it's just weird that all of this stuff is dropping they choose when to when to
land this shit on you like if you if you go and google solar radiation modification any google
and then hit images look at the slides that this this is like it's insane insane and all of the
epstein files mean whatever like i don't even want to talk about the stuff that we're learning from
that and that's just the tip of the iceberg you'll never know the darkest shit i hope but it's is
it's worse than you could have ever ever have thought anyway i want to leave this on a high
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