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Hello, everybody. My name is Daniel Prince, and I'm the host of the Once Bitten podcast.

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This is a podcast focused on Bitcoin. It's my mission to interview as many people as I can

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around the different aspects of Bitcoin and help people understand exactly what Bitcoin could mean

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for them and for their families and for their future. I hope you enjoy the show. Thank you so

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much for listening. Hello everybody and welcome to this episode of the Once Bitten podcast.

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Rejoining the show, fan favorite, big friend of the show, the thunder from down under,

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we've got Daz. Daz back on the show. If you've not heard Daz before on any of the other podcasts

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out there, you're clearly not getting your 40 hours per weekend. He's been on loads of shows.

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He's the co-author of B is for Bitcoin alongside Seb Bunny.

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He's been doing a great deal of work in the space with the initiative that's sprung up around the world actually of helping Bitcoiners navigate their way through the waters.

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Whether that is help with setting up your cold storage, UTXO management, getting a node up and running, all the way down to like the most basic questions.

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So he's been Bitcoin advisor for a long time.

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You can reach out to Daz if you have any of those questions at any time.

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He loves connecting with the plebs.

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Great musician.

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He's always at the events in and around Australia.

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And just the last year, he took a sabbatical from his job.

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His wife and Daz took the kids out of school.

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and they've been unschooling, homeschooling, world schooling, van life all around Australia for the last year

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and he wanted to come on and share the story because we know there are a bunch of Bitcoiners out there

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that would love to do the same thing and they really connect and resonate with the stories when they hear them.

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So here's a success story of how your average run-of-the-mill pleb,

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and I mean that with all the love in my heart, Daz, and I know you know you know that.

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his dad's he's going to tell you how they did it and the difference it's made to their lives

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the difference it's made to their mindset as a family how it's affected their kids and all that

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talking of that passion please sit back and relax because here's das can you hear me

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mate we're recording straight in straight out straight up beautiful looking fella look at you

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fuck it fuck it we'll do it live das we'll do it live how are you my brother very good mate so good

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to see you been a long time yeah it's been too long i was trying to think today what's this for

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me episode four i reckon four i think number four for daz back on the once bitten podcast

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unfortunately i don't have my co-host with me but uh let's say the only reason i come on i know uh

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she she's fired the question of me to relate to you so so don't worry but uh well i guess before

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we before i ask that we need a little bit of need a little bit of context as to why we're catching

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up so do you want to get all the listeners up to speed as to uh what your life's been like for the

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last year absolutely well you are largely to blame my friend because a few little years ago i i read

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the book i was trying to think of the book equivalent to an earworm right and i think it's

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it's obviously a bookworm right so you read this little book i pick up this little manuscript called

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choose life and i read it and then this little niggling thing has been in the back of my brain

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going, I want that for me. I want that for me. So anybody just straight from the outset,

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if you have not read this book, Choose Life by Mr. Daniel Prince, what are you doing with

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your life? Go out and get it and read it. And I'm sure we'll dig right into the contents

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of that and how it influenced. But yeah, it's been sitting on the back of my mind to go

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and get a little slice of that for me and the family. So long story short, I guess we

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packed up, rented the house out, got some tenants in and set sail in the caravan. So we've been

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traveling around Australia in our caravan for the last seven and a half months. So the goal is we

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pulled the kids out of school. We've been travel schooling them and yeah, been traveling this

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bloody big country of ours. We've done 35,000 Ks, 150 caravan sites, and we've still only seen

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the tiniest fraction of of this country but um we've done done about half a lap so we've we've

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gone right down the east coast right along the southern coast over to tasmania went over to perth

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over in western australia and we pretty much come back and did pretty uh a bit more of a country route

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back through from coast to country and then um snow and all everything in between and now we're

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just based ourselves out of the Sunshine Coast, which is an absolutely magical world for a few

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months before we head home. All right, perfect. We will dig into all of those little trips and

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adventures, but that lines me up nicely to ask Lauren's first question. And I lined her up and

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said, remember, Daz, that you met in Madeira, you went on the big long walk together, you did the

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Bitcoin walk and you and mommy were talking to him for a little while. She's like, yeah, yeah,

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yeah. So, well, he read our book and then, you know, his wife and dad's decided to take the kids

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out of school and go traveling. And they've been traveling and living in the caravan for the last,

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however long. And I wanted to know what would be your first question. And she said straight away,

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does he have any kids? I'm like, yes, two boys. She said, how do you, well, how's it changed them?

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what do you think has happened to to the kids since uh well i'll just have to ask dads for you

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so that that's at you my friend that's an unreal question i think it's well it's definitely been

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eye-opening and it's definitely an experience i think they'll look back on years to come i think

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in the moment they're not really aware they wouldn't be situationally aware of how it's

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affected them but i can see already some some pretty dramatic changes just just in like allowing

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them to explore what it is that they want to explore while giving them lots of opportunity

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to go and look at new places and experience new things.

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That's such a really great question.

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I think like for the eldest boy, I can certainly say for the eldest boy, he loves school and

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it's been good for him to come out of it and experience not going to school and travel

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schooling.

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And we've been fairly flexible with that.

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And I'm sure we'll dig right into our sort of approach with all of that.

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But for him it really resonated to him that he actually likes the structure He actually likes the school and he misses his friends He misses know he he 12 so he starting to get to that age where his friendship circle matters and he misses his

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close knit mates and he misses his soccer programs and he misses some of that formal stuff that he

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that he left behind but um so for him it's been really great for him to step away to realize that

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home is home for him um which has been great and then for Fletch the the younger fella he's he's

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nine so he's turned nine while we've been on the road and I think for him the opposite is true I

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don't think we'll we'll definitely be questioning we haven't made any firm decisions on whether he'll

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return to the school system when we get home so it's been chalk and cheese but it's been a really

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really important step and an important journey and a lot of learnings for everybody for us to

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just step back and go well what is it that resonates with them and how is it that they

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actually like to learn and just gives us some options to explore when we when we do head home

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mate i love to hear that because the fiat trap here is with what you're funneled into is first

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of all first and foremost like uh get your head down get your grades get your certificates get

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your diplomas get your job get the white picket fence have the 2.4 kids get the dog all of this

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bullshit and then put your children into the best school that you can find right and that might even

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mean moving house in some cases because people get you know they get drawn to this idea of keeping

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up with the joneses and then it's like well if we can't afford the private school then we'll

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absolutely have to have the best performing state public school that we can possibly find and you do

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of that for the oldest but then you got the sunk cost fallacy of well we've done that for them

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we've got to give all of our kids the same opportunities we can't put them somewhere else

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now and like that is the complete opposite way to what we should be thinking about because

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everyone is different and that includes your children and you but you guys stepping away

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this was the big realization for us when we did it as well it's like oh shit especially when you

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got twins you know like my god like you'd think they'd be similar but no they learn completely

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differently totally differently so like the idea of putting them all in the same school to go

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through the same program at the same speed just because their older siblings did it's nonsense

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yeah i couldn't agree more with that because we've we've had some preconceived notions about

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what education should be right and certainly even like pre pre bitcoiners which makes you just flip

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everything on its head and make you question everything but you know we there's another

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school in in cairns where we're from which we got we kept getting drawn back to it but we never put

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the kids into it right and they had a very loose a much more loose approach to self-directed learning

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which you know when we first went there I said this is absolutely crazy they should be at a desk

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and made just made to sit down and you know wrote learning the way I had to do it you know but um

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having this opportunity to explore well what is actually learning and and allowing the kids to

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explore that themselves and then resonate with what actually triggers them I think that approach

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again would be suited to Fletch but definitely not to Archie so you're absolutely true it's really

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important i think as parents to just take a little moment to sit back and go well how does my kid like

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to learn like what what because there's no point me putting fletch in that situation where he's

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going to sit down on that piece of carpet listen to instruction after instruction he's smart as a

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whip we went to japan last year and he was on duolingo learning japanese self-directed no one

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told him he found the app himself he was sitting there working out and we went there and he worked

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knew how to you know ask for water house ask for a bowl of rice you know pretty basic stuff but

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he was interested in it and it's like that's amazing that's so great and we're so lucky that

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we've got access to technology and stuff to to enable that now and it becomes a lot easier now

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we've been reflecting on this a lot actually there's a lady I work with who homeschooled her

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children but back in the day she had to do it by distance education which was still you have to

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report in you have to spend eight hours via radio which would have been even harder i reckon but

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like definitely this this in this day and age you can very much explore that the way that your child

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resonates with and and also how that you want to go about approaching that like there's so many

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resources um you know your book had had a heap of different resources um and and we can spend some

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time exploring like how we navigated that with the curriculum and stuff but i think it was just like

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you know so critical just to really as parents just to sit back and go well what is how does my

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child like like to learn um and i think the real key takeaway for us was like as long as your kid

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learns how to learn that's the real key underscoring thing because like we're all inquisitive people

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like as as humans so we all love learning like you've just got to be able to afford the time

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and the resources to go and explore what it is that resonates with you like there's a zero point

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me learning aberdashery right so why do we why do we go and put our kids through school and make

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them do stuff that doesn't resonate with them and i i get the argument that sometimes it's it's

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important to give them a little bit of exposure because you don't know what you don't know

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like you definitely want to be able to provide that opportunity for them to explore a lot of

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different things but i mean that's so much easier there's no point if we know that the art doesn't

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art doesn't tick the box for them.

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Why are we making them do semesters and semesters and semesters of it?

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Like just give them some exposure.

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And if it's something that they like, they'll come across it themselves

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or, you know, or they'll ask you, they say, hey,

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I'm really interested in this and this and this.

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I saw it on YouTube or I saw it on, you know, these different platforms.

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So, you know, learning out alone is the key to life, right?

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So I've got a question for you, very much similar to Lauren's, I suppose.

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how's it changed you personally and more importantly I think people are going to want to know

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you know how's it changed like the relationship with with your wife because these are big decisions

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and you know I've been around families that have done this now for over 10 years and

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there seems to be an overarching theme that one parent whether it be the wife or the husband

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gets that bug first and just keeps like we should do this we should take the kids out we should go

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and travel or we should just try you don't need to travel you let's just take the kids out for

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three months and and see what happens because i feel something's wrong i don't like the way that

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they're coming home and we don't get to see them we're not spending time as a family and uh what's

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up with this depression or anxiety that's showing through what's the the behavioral kind of ticks

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that have shown up this doesn't feel you know and you get this random information when you go along

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to a parent's evening where the school is explaining the teacher is explaining or describing

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a person you have no idea exists when they're your actual son or daughter you're like what the hell

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like this this dissonance but it doesn't make any sense so one one parent might get that bug

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and then it's, this can cause problems in a relationship.

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It can.

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So I was probably definitely the driver from it, right?

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Coming from the Bitcoin lens and starting to question everything,

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the school system and everything.

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But luckily for me, my wife actually works in the school system.

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So she sees it firsthand, the inefficiencies of those contact hours.

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And again, like I think to a degree, we're grateful for that COVID experience,

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even though it was horrible for most of humanity and we had to endure some pretty heinous government

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totalitarian controls. But with it sort of that distraction, the good thing to take out of that

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was the experience that we had with the homeschooling. We were forced to keep stay home with our kids

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and then we all sort of switched on. I went, what? You're really telling me it takes an hour

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to do all the curriculum? Why are they there for six, seven, eight, whatever the case may be,

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whatever the school system you're in.

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Why is it taking that long?

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And, you know, Carissa, my wife, she's just like,

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well, that's all the inefficiency.

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School is just made up of so much line up, shut up, sit down, be quiet.

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Here's the activity.

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We've got to explain the activity for an hour.

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Now you do the activity.

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Then we've got to wait for the slowest person in the room to finish,

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you know, then explain what you did.

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So it's just so layered upon layer upon layer of like super inefficiencies.

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I went through school, albeit as a bit of a rat bag in high school, but later on did adult learning, went back to uni, did the 20 hours of study a week while working full time, full indoctrinated into the system of this is learning.

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And I come out of that basically very, very obnoxious with an ego saying, hey, if you don't have a piece of paper, I don't value your opinion.

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so this whole thing has just totally flipped my traditional brain on its head to say well

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no knowledge is is like i said then um learning how to learn is the knowledge if you learn how to

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learn and you can apply yourself you can learn anything and a piece of paper is just you know

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it doesn't account for experience it doesn't account for knowledge and it doesn't account

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for application like i still think it plays a part like i certainly wouldn't be driving on a bridge

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that, you know, the engineer didn't design, right?

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There is some layer of need to have a governing body

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for some of those qualifications.

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But certainly like, you know, this whole notion of you must go to school

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till year 12 and you must enroll in uni.

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Here's an arts degree.

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I think it's complete horseshit.

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You know, if you want those skills, you can go and learn them.

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Like you don't need the piece of paper.

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and and you know when you start to understand a little bit deeper into that stack you you know that it basically just an opportunity for full indoctrination into you know what we starting to now realize is and not to get too political on this but you

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start to see a lot of left, far left ideologies creeping into that whole system. Like I know

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myself, like now thinking back and having conversations with trained engineers who've

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spent years in the system, most of them are very far left leaning. I'm not even saying marginally

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left-leaning it's far left-leaning and it's just when you when you look at the assignments and

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everything you get from that that that whole like me looking back from my engineering degree

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i can start to critically assess like how many times an agenda was woven into assessments

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you know it was it was here's here's the subject matter like go and prove why it's true not

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not not counteract it like do you know what i mean like it was woven in a lot in that ideology

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And it's now just being able to sit back and go, well, maybe that's not the best.

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able to like, just like, obviously there's a curriculum that the boys were doing to a

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And we were a bit loose with that.

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And we'll talk about that in a sec.

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But I was appreciative of the fact that I could then interject and go, hey, don't take

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that as gospel.

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Critically think for yourself.

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Yes, here's your assessment piece.

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This is what you've been given to study.

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but also just go at that with a questioning mindset.

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Like this is not necessarily true.

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If that makes sense.

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So let's dig into that because a lot of people,

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this is the thing where they, there are so many hurdles.

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When people want to do this, there are so many hurdles you've got to clear

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because you've got your monkey mind telling you in the background,

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this is too risky.

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We can't take the kids out of school.

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you've got the social construct that's been built up around you screaming at you and it could be

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your parents your aunties your uncles your nearest your dearest friends your neighbors

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what are you doing you can't take them out of school they'll never get a job they'll never be

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able to socialize you know all of this nonsense that that people throw at you when you start

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sharing your big ideas with uh with people around you uh and then the the other one is well i'm not

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who am I I'm not smart enough to teach my children I don't have a teaching degree I don't

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you know I can't even remember like long division you know I can't teach them math I can't teach

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them science and that self-doubt that crippling monkey mind of yours and then you start

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procrastinating on it and it's just far easier just to you know what here's your packed lunch

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there's your books lad on the bus see you later you know outsourcing that responsibility because

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i'm sure you've many of us have been accused of being irresponsible parents when we do this with

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our kids whereas the opposite is true because responsibility is purely on you now like 100

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like this is self-sovereign stuff that we're talking about you are not outsourcing this

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but what like people then get like but what's the structure how do you do like uh the nine to five

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school day you know you i don't have time for all of that uh and because they're still stuck in their

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own minds from their own you know they're they're projecting their own upbringing on to like a

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situation that has nothing nothing you can compare to what you're about to do can't be compared to

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what you've done in the past you go to a d-school d-program and uh so how did you guys manage that

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and you know what what were the big epiphanies yeah well i think we're really lucky in this day

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and age that there's so many different approaches so you know the the number one thing you can do

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is just start researching for yourself and work out what resonates with you as a parent as to how

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you're going to go about it so you know there's a whole heap of different methodologies whether you

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have school of the air, you know, or you do unschooling, like there's both ends of that

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spectrum when you go to approach this. Like for us, you know, as I said, I'm an engineer,

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so I can't switch off my science brain. But what was important to us is that we, you know,

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all we really cared about is the foundational stuff. So I think it's still important. And this

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is, again, for me, not telling anybody how to live their lives and raise their children. But for me,

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it was important for me that I maintained English and math because I think they are pretty

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foundational to being able to learn how to learn. So that will set you up for success. You can't go

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into year 10 algebra if that's what resonates with you, not having some of that basic fundamental

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math in my humble opinion. And what was really, really instructive and I'm really grateful for

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for us was like my eldest boy, Archer, he's quite a good student like in the traditional school

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system, never had any issues, like certainly not straight A's, but never consistently learns,

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consistently achieves A's and B's. And I actually found some pretty concerning holes in his math

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game that I would never have known because you get your report card at the end of each term

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and you look at it and say, you're doing great, mate. And then you go and sit down with the

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teacher twice a year and they say, he's just wonderful. And so you don't really, as a parent,

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you're disconnected from their learning journey.

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You're just like putting full trust in their system that they're going and

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ticking all the boxes and that they're going to come out with the education

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they need. So like for us, it was great.

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Cause I could sit down and go, Hey mate,

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between like fractions and decimals and percentages.

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Like that was kind of not known to him.

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his school or the Australian curriculum,

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but they don't learn their times tables and that anymore.

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So I'm like, well, that's a little bit concerning to me as well.

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That was how we decided to approach it.

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Because like you said, we're looking at this going, huh, do we really want the responsibility

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of going and resourcing and collecting all this data to go and build lesson plans and

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all that sort of stuff?

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So no, the answer to us was no.

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And there was a, we're really lucky in Australia.

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There's a really good company called UKA, E-U-K-A, that provide a curriculum based on

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the Australian curriculum and they specialize in travel schooling. So very affordable too. It was,

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I think, less than 500 Aussie dollars for both kids for the whole year's curriculum. And that

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was all their activities that matches the Australian curriculum. But then it's up to you,

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you're the parent, self-directed learning and education. It's up to us then to go and see,

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well, what do you need to do out of that? So here's all these resources. And then we pretty

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much like i said we focus mainly on english and math to make sure that they're getting that

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foundational stuff right to set them up for success whatever they want to do in the future

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but certainly everything else we were taking or leaving as we sort of saw fit like what have they

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got down for science this week oh that's interesting maybe we could do that home experiment but

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otherwise hey you know what we're going to go to the hobart science center and we spent you know

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the full day in the science center and i've never seen my kids like i'm an electrician right so i'm

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always like trying to push them into electricity you know it's interesting and they've always been

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yeah it's not not cool dad not cool dad but we went to this science center where they had lots

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of hands on you know generating electricity by hand and all that and they just loved it they

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couldn't get enough of it so you know and they're the experiences you don't get as a parent when

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you're up slaving away 60 hours a week at the job both mum and dad you're totally disconnected from

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their learning and a report card and two hours sitting down with the teacher a year just doesn't

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cut the mustard in terms of well what do they actually like what do they enjoy learning and how

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do they like learning and how can i help them like in in terms of the school and you know when your

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kids are sitting there achieving and ticking the boxes like you know like i said with archer like

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we would never have known had we not had this opportunity to sit down and a lot of the learning

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was self-directed so again wasn't hands-on for us we were like the resources were there but we

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just sort of kept abreast of what are you learning now mate oh yeah okay oh you're struggling with

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that well actually here's a way that i learned how to do it maybe you'd like to you know just try

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that way and and just working through it with them and it's like it's just a powerful powerful

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experience to be able to do that and i think like that connection is going to be so much stronger

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moving forward as he does enter into high school um we we learned how to learn together like and

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learn how to work through the problems together and now we've built a trust system where i know

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dad knows this math stuff i know i can go and ask him and and we were able to because it was a little

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bit frustrating at first like i'm like mate i can't believe you can't get you're not getting

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this and then had to really switch this off and go okay well he hasn't learned it he hasn't learned

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the way i learned it so i really needed to strip back remove my ego from everything um remove my

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shock and awe really at discovering some of the the holes and just going well it's it's about

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helping you i can be angry at the system i can be angry that you've missed all this but it's not

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your fault like i can't obviously take it out on you but how do i help you now learn how do i help

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you bridge those gaps and it's built a real sense of trust now that he knows he can come to dad

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because you know dad knows this stuff yeah do you have a light in your car there or i do sorry yeah

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it's um i'm not going to drain your leisure battery am i i am sitting in the car because the um

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the caravan is a caravan park that we're staying in it's a little bit noisy so

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right yeah can you see me again so yeah yeah that's better yeah loads to dig into there mate

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um it's very interesting when you i remember this vividly uh when because it when when they're

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trying to do something they're trying to learn something and they come to you because you know

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you're the adult in the room it's like i can't work this out and you look at it and the first

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thing you think is oh you know you're taken back to the classroom you you're your 11 year old self

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again 12 year old self again and you're sitting there and you're like oh my god i can't remember

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how to do this and the urge is um fear because you you don want to look as though you don understand and you want to be able to but getting over that was for me a huge thing uh i remember doing it with caitlin when she was

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probably eight nine or ten i can't remember and we come up against some um it's either long

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multiplication or division or fractions i can't remember but it's something i really needed to

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freaking brush up on and it's like right okay well let's sit down and just try and solve this

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together or order of operations whatever it was uh and then we found khan academy we watched a few

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sal khan videos and then we found something else and we found some youtube stuff and we're just

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working through it and then uh then i then you know it all suddenly i remembered and it clicked

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and i showed her how to do it and she's no no i don't get it and you know you're right you're like

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what we just spent 45 minutes like how do you not get it and you have to switch that off and realize

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all right there's more than one way to get to the end of this equation and the way we just did

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didn't resonate so we've got to go back and find a different way and that's that's when it all

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suddenly started clicking for me especially with the twins even now today when they sit down and

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do math like that they'll go off in completely different directions but get to the same answer

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and you're like wow if there's 30 kids in a classroom they're taught one way

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there is no other way you're not allowed the other way because that the way that the system works and

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the way that the teacher's got to mark it all and the way that you've got to show you're working

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it's got to be the way it's been taught and that's the way that you score the points and that's the

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way that you get your grade and it makes a complete mockery of math really it's just ridiculous

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uh but you're right um controlling your emotions realizing that you are now uh

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that that building that trust because when they see you learning alongside them at the same time

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it breaks down that kind of you're my teacher like uh stigma yeah that's right you become more

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like a peer right you're like let's work through it together like i can't remember this it's been

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20 years since I've done this or whatever the case may be.

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So like working through it together, it's a powerful experience.

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Like, you know, working through it and like, even when you flip the script,

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right. And they said, no dad, it's this way. And you go, ah,

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you just taught me something. Right. It's, it's, it's a powerful experience.

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It's amazing. You can describe and you can understand, but you're like,

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until you actually do it, like it's different. Right.

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that's the beauty that you miss when you just farm them.

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And like you said, it might be coming home with straight A's,

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but what's been stolen?

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It's really shocking.

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questions that people listening might be thinking,

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yeah,

398
00:34:03,758 --> 00:34:04,378
it sounds great,

399
00:34:04,498 --> 00:34:04,698
Daz,

400
00:34:04,878 --> 00:34:06,218
but you know,

401
00:34:06,398 --> 00:34:10,818
I am the 60 hour a week guy and so is my wife and we just don't have the

402
00:34:10,818 --> 00:34:14,678
time and we don't have the money and this is just a pipe dream.

403
00:34:14,898 --> 00:34:15,959
So yeah,

404
00:34:16,018 --> 00:34:16,838
nice rip guys,

405
00:34:16,959 --> 00:34:18,518
but I'm going to stop it here and,

406
00:34:18,558 --> 00:34:19,198
you know,

407
00:34:19,198 --> 00:34:19,978
move on with life.

408
00:34:20,658 --> 00:34:21,098
Yeah.

409
00:34:21,098 --> 00:34:24,798
And I'm sure you were in that position as well at some stage.

410
00:34:25,198 --> 00:34:28,238
Like, you know, when you first started looking into this,

411
00:34:28,398 --> 00:34:33,098
that was probably the biggest question on most people's mind,

412
00:34:33,198 --> 00:34:34,959
always, is money, is finances.

413
00:34:35,758 --> 00:34:35,898
Yeah.

414
00:34:36,838 --> 00:34:39,398
Well, number one, you've got to find Bitcoin, right?

415
00:34:39,878 --> 00:34:42,718
So that's the overarching rule.

416
00:34:42,919 --> 00:34:47,038
Because even like, admittedly, we didn't necessarily fund with Bitcoin.

417
00:34:47,038 --> 00:34:49,998
And I'm happy to talk about my personal situation with this.

418
00:34:49,998 --> 00:34:53,258
But I had, we have long service leave in Australia.

419
00:34:53,578 --> 00:34:59,158
So it's kind of like, you know, you work somewhere for 10 years and you get quite a decent little chunk off.

420
00:35:00,098 --> 00:35:02,459
And then I explored using that at half pay.

421
00:35:03,278 --> 00:35:05,818
So, but I needed to have a buffer.

422
00:35:05,959 --> 00:35:15,838
So if I didn't have Bitcoin in my life, it would, it would like, even going back five years, I'd never even would have thought that this is even, this would have been a complete pipe dream.

423
00:35:15,838 --> 00:35:22,898
I would have thought, you know, I could probably do that for a stretch of maybe, you know, a month or two at most.

424
00:35:23,518 --> 00:35:29,558
But having Bitcoin as your savings vehicle, right, gives you optionality.

425
00:35:30,718 --> 00:35:33,258
Allowed me to sit back and pause and say, well, you know what?

426
00:35:33,278 --> 00:35:36,919
We're starting to build a meaningful nest egg for our little family now.

427
00:35:37,898 --> 00:35:43,798
Certainly not ready to walk away from fiat life completely, but it allows you to option.

428
00:35:43,798 --> 00:35:45,998
It just gives you options to go and explore.

429
00:35:46,178 --> 00:35:48,898
Well, maybe I can go and rent the house out.

430
00:35:48,959 --> 00:35:52,858
So that's number one, right, is people think about how long am I going to go for?

431
00:35:53,498 --> 00:36:02,478
If you're lucky enough to have a caravan and stuff like somewhere to domicile and like your book, you know, like using those sort of things like house swapping and doing that sort of thing.

432
00:36:02,558 --> 00:36:09,158
If you can get income from your principal place of residence, if you've still got a house and a mortgage at home, that's number one.

433
00:36:09,238 --> 00:36:09,898
It's like perfect.

434
00:36:10,058 --> 00:36:12,018
That just takes care of itself.

435
00:36:12,018 --> 00:36:13,919
So for us, that was the situation.

436
00:36:14,058 --> 00:36:15,459
We rented that out for a full year.

437
00:36:15,578 --> 00:36:18,959
And it was great in a way because it actually made us commit to a full year.

438
00:36:19,439 --> 00:36:20,798
It's like, well, the house is gone.

439
00:36:21,598 --> 00:36:24,678
So, you know, now do we do it for six months?

440
00:36:24,758 --> 00:36:25,838
Probably not worth it, right?

441
00:36:25,919 --> 00:36:27,959
Going for six months and renting the house out for six months.

442
00:36:28,038 --> 00:36:28,778
So it's a full year.

443
00:36:28,858 --> 00:36:30,178
That's a great, great stretch.

444
00:36:30,258 --> 00:36:34,118
So how now are we going to navigate that in terms of you still got to eat, right?

445
00:36:34,138 --> 00:36:35,058
You still got fiat bills.

446
00:36:35,178 --> 00:36:36,738
The bills don't stop coming in.

447
00:36:36,738 --> 00:36:42,919
um you know there's many different ways to to approach even what it is we're doing so we've

448
00:36:42,919 --> 00:36:47,558
opted in for staying at caravan parks most of the time because we like the power the air conditioning

449
00:36:47,558 --> 00:36:51,678
the heating we've needed the heating because um we've been freezing while we're doing our little

450
00:36:51,678 --> 00:36:55,618
trip but um there's certainly some trade-offs you can make for going off grid free camping

451
00:36:55,618 --> 00:37:01,138
all that sort of stuff and like number one is you got you got to hustle man so you know i um i

452
00:37:01,138 --> 00:37:07,419
admittedly didn't have to do this as much but I've got the guitar the PA system in the caravan

453
00:37:07,419 --> 00:37:14,919
because my my goal was to go and swap my time and energy for for to stay I'd go and do some gigs at

454
00:37:14,919 --> 00:37:19,658
a caravan park and say hey let us stay for a couple of days and I'll do a gig on a Saturday

455
00:37:19,658 --> 00:37:24,439
night like admittedly I didn't get to do that as much um there's a couple of reasons for that but

456
00:37:24,439 --> 00:37:28,898
basically we tried not to book too much in advance you know just like fly off the skin of our pants

457
00:37:28,898 --> 00:37:31,778
which meant when you're doing gigs around the place,

458
00:37:31,919 --> 00:37:34,398
it does mean that you've got to plan ahead.

459
00:37:34,538 --> 00:37:35,758
So we try not to do that,

460
00:37:35,798 --> 00:37:38,578
which is the main reason why I didn't actually pick up too many gigs on the

461
00:37:38,578 --> 00:37:38,758
road.

462
00:37:38,858 --> 00:37:39,258
But like,

463
00:37:39,338 --> 00:37:39,838
you've got to,

464
00:37:40,398 --> 00:37:42,078
there's many ways to skin the cat.

465
00:37:42,218 --> 00:37:45,678
If money is an issue and you don't have that nest egg and that buffer in the

466
00:37:45,678 --> 00:37:48,518
bank account to go and fund your lifestyle while you're going around,

467
00:37:49,118 --> 00:37:49,558
then,

468
00:37:49,818 --> 00:37:50,078
you know,

469
00:37:50,158 --> 00:37:50,558
you can,

470
00:37:50,598 --> 00:37:51,638
you can pick up jobs everywhere.

471
00:37:52,198 --> 00:37:53,439
Like you can go fruit picking.

472
00:37:53,798 --> 00:37:54,298
You can,

473
00:37:54,738 --> 00:37:54,998
you know,

474
00:37:55,058 --> 00:37:55,778
if you're skilled,

475
00:37:55,898 --> 00:37:56,718
like an electrician,

476
00:37:56,758 --> 00:37:56,998
right.

477
00:37:56,998 --> 00:38:00,959
you can go and do some, put your hand up and go skip ahead.

478
00:38:01,018 --> 00:38:02,278
If you're going to be somewhere for a month,

479
00:38:02,318 --> 00:38:05,358
you can go and go on the local Facebook groups and say, Hey,

480
00:38:05,358 --> 00:38:06,638
I'm a skilled electrician.

481
00:38:06,919 --> 00:38:10,118
Is there a contractor in here who needs a set of hands for a month?

482
00:38:11,038 --> 00:38:14,258
You know, you can go and get a job at a pub, pouring beers.

483
00:38:14,338 --> 00:38:16,258
You can be the dish pig in the back of the kitchen.

484
00:38:16,419 --> 00:38:17,939
You can do it.

485
00:38:18,218 --> 00:38:21,419
You've just got to be open-minded enough to go, well, okay, that's what,

486
00:38:21,578 --> 00:38:23,238
that's what I, that's how I'm going to live.

487
00:38:23,318 --> 00:38:24,478
That's how I'm going to fund my lifestyle.

488
00:38:24,478 --> 00:38:25,618
Like it's such a barrier.

489
00:38:25,618 --> 00:38:28,258
And again, like we're victims of the fiat mind trap, right?

490
00:38:28,298 --> 00:38:30,939
It's like, you must have savings.

491
00:38:30,998 --> 00:38:34,878
You must keep this income coming in at a certain level for the rest of your life.

492
00:38:34,878 --> 00:38:41,358
You know, but if you're open-minded to it, there are ways that you can navigate that and make it work for you.

493
00:38:42,598 --> 00:38:43,298
100%, mate.

494
00:38:43,478 --> 00:38:49,738
And we did a little bit of, it's called woofing, or we found a place called, a site called HelpX.

495
00:38:49,838 --> 00:38:51,298
I'm not sure if that's even around anymore.

496
00:38:51,298 --> 00:38:57,459
But where we would, Claire and I would exchange our time in the morning for food and shelter.

497
00:38:57,758 --> 00:39:09,138
And some places would be painting walls or other places would be milking cows, you know, staying on farms, doing, you know, just menial tasks, basically, but which farmers needed help with.

498
00:39:09,698 --> 00:39:16,738
And then we, yeah, we had shelter, like perfectly good shelter and food.

499
00:39:17,178 --> 00:39:19,959
And then we had all afternoon to go and explore the local area.

500
00:39:19,959 --> 00:39:24,018
but what better way to explore the local area than with, you know,

501
00:39:24,078 --> 00:39:26,978
the inside information from the locals, right? Yeah.

502
00:39:26,978 --> 00:39:29,478
Don't go there because that's just like a tourist trap,

503
00:39:29,538 --> 00:39:32,318
but you want to get off the beaten road and go here and go here and then go

504
00:39:32,318 --> 00:39:35,258
to this. This is the best X, Y, Z in the area.

505
00:39:35,419 --> 00:39:39,378
This is the best pub, cafe, restaurant, whatever. Yeah.

506
00:39:39,378 --> 00:39:41,798
There's a hundred different ways you can do it. And people.

507
00:39:42,218 --> 00:39:46,238
What a great experience too. Like you, you would never necessarily say, Hey,

508
00:39:46,479 --> 00:39:48,218
I got the opportunity to milk cows in the morning.

509
00:39:48,218 --> 00:39:51,518
Like if you weren't open-minded to going and doing it and like, Hey,

510
00:39:51,538 --> 00:39:54,038
we need, we need food and we need board and we need shelter.

511
00:39:54,038 --> 00:39:57,598
And maybe I'll just go and chip in. And like, there's such a,

512
00:39:57,638 --> 00:39:58,758
like in Australia in particular,

513
00:39:58,878 --> 00:40:00,398
such a skills shortage everywhere.

514
00:40:00,658 --> 00:40:03,378
Like people are just screaming out for people who will work.

515
00:40:03,698 --> 00:40:05,138
Like everyone's, you know,

516
00:40:05,479 --> 00:40:09,178
this new generation you could argue is getting so entitled that, you know,

517
00:40:09,198 --> 00:40:12,378
it's an issue everywhere you go. It's like, we just want,

518
00:40:12,738 --> 00:40:14,218
we just want people who want to work.

519
00:40:14,218 --> 00:40:19,898
so if you're open to anything that can bring a little bit of fear in just so you can you know

520
00:40:19,898 --> 00:40:25,178
get the loaf of bread and and the fillet steak then you know you'll find it if you want to look

521
00:40:25,178 --> 00:40:32,439
so we talk about time a lot in bitcoin das you you've turned your time upside down the last seven

522
00:40:32,439 --> 00:40:37,798
months you you've spent as much time as you possibly could with your nearest and dearest

523
00:40:37,798 --> 00:40:43,198
right your wife your two boys and you've been able to pick and choose where you go and spend

524
00:40:43,198 --> 00:40:48,898
your time i'm sure you've locked in with uh some bitcoiners on the road may maybe even hit a few

525
00:40:48,898 --> 00:40:58,258
meetups whatever else uh what's that like to be in the driver's seat of your time it's been a game

526
00:40:58,258 --> 00:41:04,138
changer really and like i have admittedly returned to some fiat work right now right and it was a

527
00:41:04,138 --> 00:41:10,758
only three weeks ago so went back to the fiat job albeit um flexible so we're still on the road still

528
00:41:10,758 --> 00:41:16,118
living out of the caravan but I'm going back and doing just some four days a week just sort of

529
00:41:16,118 --> 00:41:20,258
chipping away just to get again but that's how we've chosen to put a little bit of fiat back in

530
00:41:20,258 --> 00:41:27,498
the bank account and then we'll we'll be reassessing but like it's it's really allowed me to step back

531
00:41:27,498 --> 00:41:33,778
and go well that's what having time and that's why we bitcoin is to buy our time store our energy and

532
00:41:33,778 --> 00:41:39,919
our time in something that's not going to be printed out of thin air and degraded and getting a little taste of that is like that's

533
00:41:39,944 --> 00:41:44,784
now our lifestyle. So, you know, it's allowed us again to critically assess what life looks back,

534
00:41:45,124 --> 00:41:49,204
looks like when we do go home, because it is the intent around mid-December, we're going to go

535
00:41:49,204 --> 00:41:55,644
home. Won't be quite a full 12 months on the road. It'll be about 11 or 10 or 11. But we've been able

536
00:41:55,644 --> 00:41:59,504
to sit back and go, right, well, this is now what it looks like for us. I don't need to work the 10

537
00:41:59,504 --> 00:42:04,644
day fortnight. I'm going to work an eight day fortnight because I value the time more than I

538
00:42:04,644 --> 00:42:09,724
value the fear. And again, I wouldn't have been able to do that without Bitcoin. Having,

539
00:42:09,944 --> 00:42:14,524
again, being able to build a nest egg that I'm comfortable with,

540
00:42:14,624 --> 00:42:16,924
knowing as well that that's going to continue to grow

541
00:42:16,924 --> 00:42:19,744
at a pretty significant compound annual growth rate, right?

542
00:42:19,764 --> 00:42:20,964
And that's the intent.

543
00:42:21,324 --> 00:42:25,584
And also now looking at Carissa, like Carissa did work in the school system.

544
00:42:26,244 --> 00:42:27,704
We'll probably retire her now.

545
00:42:27,704 --> 00:42:30,084
Like she will be there for the kids now.

546
00:42:30,284 --> 00:42:34,204
So probably, you know, again, navigating whether we're going to continue

547
00:42:34,204 --> 00:42:36,144
to homeschool, Fletch, which we think we might,

548
00:42:36,144 --> 00:42:40,664
at least for another six months or a year into the next year.

549
00:42:41,624 --> 00:42:44,544
But, you know, having a taste of that lifestyle

550
00:42:44,544 --> 00:42:48,244
of being able to do whatever you want

551
00:42:48,244 --> 00:42:49,744
and spend time with your family,

552
00:42:49,904 --> 00:42:52,024
that's what we want.

553
00:42:52,644 --> 00:42:53,784
That's why we're here.

554
00:42:54,764 --> 00:42:57,624
And most people, like we've been traveling around a lot

555
00:42:57,624 --> 00:42:59,824
and there's a lot of retirees.

556
00:42:59,944 --> 00:43:02,864
So caravanning is a very popular pastime in Australia

557
00:43:02,864 --> 00:43:06,244
for young families and especially retirees.

558
00:43:06,484 --> 00:43:10,064
And every single retiree you meet in these caravan parks

559
00:43:10,064 --> 00:43:12,624
that you pull up next to and you're just having a drink

560
00:43:12,624 --> 00:43:14,224
and having a chat in the afternoon,

561
00:43:14,404 --> 00:43:16,704
every single one of them was like, wow,

562
00:43:16,944 --> 00:43:20,384
I wish we were able to do that when we were able to do that

563
00:43:20,384 --> 00:43:21,764
while your kids are that young.

564
00:43:22,144 --> 00:43:26,004
Because now, and I don't want to certainly discourage

565
00:43:26,004 --> 00:43:28,064
or talk to anyone in that retirement,

566
00:43:28,184 --> 00:43:29,544
but now we're too old to enjoy it.

567
00:43:29,544 --> 00:43:32,684
It was the general theme of, yeah, we're travelling around,

568
00:43:32,684 --> 00:43:37,264
we're taking this van but we can't do that big hike anymore because our knees are buggered you

569
00:43:37,264 --> 00:43:45,724
know we gave 65 years of our best years to fiat and we're now finally allowed the government's

570
00:43:45,724 --> 00:43:52,964
allowing us to retire and get access to our savings um and we're too old to enjoy it so you

571
00:43:52,964 --> 00:43:57,084
know every single one of them has looked at us and just said good on you you know it's been very

572
00:43:57,084 --> 00:44:02,424
much the opposite experience to like oh oh that's a bit weird like pulling your kids out of school

573
00:44:02,424 --> 00:44:07,644
like it's way more socially acceptable now when most people celebrate it it's it's an it's amazing

574
00:44:07,644 --> 00:44:11,664
thing to experience and have a chat to those people and get that encouragement as you're going

575
00:44:11,664 --> 00:44:16,664
along going yeah we are doing the best thing for our kids like you know and what i said to carissa

576
00:44:16,664 --> 00:44:23,344
as well is like even if this puts us back a few years to retirement like i'm way rather bring that

577
00:44:23,344 --> 00:44:27,484
time forward now where it matters when these kids are young and actually want to hang out with this

578
00:44:27,484 --> 00:44:32,064
because i'm sure you're experiencing already but as they get teenagers dad's not cool anymore like

579
00:44:32,064 --> 00:44:33,804
I don't want to be spending as much time.

580
00:44:34,164 --> 00:44:37,884
So we're so grateful that we've been able to bring that forward.

581
00:44:37,964 --> 00:44:39,924
And if it means I have to work an extra year or two,

582
00:44:40,764 --> 00:44:43,904
I'll give the government my shitty years when I'm 65.

583
00:44:44,224 --> 00:44:46,984
If it comes down to that, I don't think it will because, you know,

584
00:44:47,024 --> 00:44:51,124
we Bitcoin and I think that retirement's a lot sooner than anyone

585
00:44:51,124 --> 00:44:53,724
anticipates who's been holding it for a while.

586
00:44:54,324 --> 00:44:58,044
That was one of the biggest epiphanies that happened to me when we,

587
00:44:58,184 --> 00:45:01,524
we would have probably been a couple of months in and still not realizing

588
00:45:01,524 --> 00:45:06,524
that we could have pushed it as far as we did i mean almost two and a half years in the end

589
00:45:06,524 --> 00:45:12,824
that we were just like fully traveling uh and it suddenly like the epiphany dropped and it was so

590
00:45:12,824 --> 00:45:20,444
hard it you know it was like hang on a second i've dedicated at that point i dedicated 18 years

591
00:45:20,444 --> 00:45:27,704
in a desk job like uh to to somebody else and living in somebody else's dream and

592
00:45:27,704 --> 00:45:35,324
And, you know, this might only be this project as it is, might be 10 to 15 years, i.e. bringing

593
00:45:35,324 --> 00:45:36,144
up your children.

594
00:45:37,384 --> 00:45:38,904
Call that a project, if you will.

595
00:45:39,024 --> 00:45:41,324
It's like, you know, apply your fiat brain to it.

596
00:45:41,884 --> 00:45:44,144
So, yeah, this is a project that's going to last 10 to 15.

597
00:45:44,424 --> 00:45:45,164
We've got to get it done.

598
00:45:45,224 --> 00:45:45,944
Got to do it right.

599
00:45:46,044 --> 00:45:46,664
Got to deliver.

600
00:45:47,264 --> 00:45:48,444
Like, you know, fuck me.

601
00:45:48,544 --> 00:45:49,804
What's more important than that?

602
00:45:50,304 --> 00:45:51,784
Like, you know, that's it.

603
00:45:52,144 --> 00:45:53,764
Like, that's what we are here to do.

604
00:45:53,764 --> 00:45:56,824
And how old will I be then?

605
00:45:56,824 --> 00:46:03,805
50 55 i can walk back into a boardroom if i want you know i could get a job absolutely

606
00:46:03,805 --> 00:46:09,424
i could do a 10 to 15 year project for someone else again if that like that's what needs to be

607
00:46:09,424 --> 00:46:16,164
done but like it's i want this time and i still regret you know did the kids when we took them

608
00:46:16,164 --> 00:46:21,104
out of school and started living differently more intentionally they were eight six and two three

609
00:46:21,104 --> 00:46:27,564
year old twins so i caught the quarter twins like at the you know the bottom right but the the eight

610
00:46:27,564 --> 00:46:34,004
years that caitlin had been found out to the um even the private schools or the state schools

611
00:46:34,004 --> 00:46:41,084
and me tied to a desk and seeing her a day and a half at the weekend one or two nights a week

612
00:46:41,084 --> 00:46:50,864
oh man i can never get that back like that's gone and that even today that rankles me uh and um

613
00:46:51,104 --> 00:46:55,324
You know, I can't imagine like you, we had the same experience.

614
00:46:55,324 --> 00:47:03,064
You'd meet the retirees and they'd just be sitting there having that like afternoon drinks or a perro, just watching the kids, watching us.

615
00:47:03,364 --> 00:47:07,464
Like, you know, what are you doing here on a Wednesday at three in the afternoon?

616
00:47:07,464 --> 00:47:08,844
Like, why aren't the kids at school?

617
00:47:08,904 --> 00:47:15,124
And you get into a chat with them and they're like, oh, my God, you guys, just hold on to them as long as you can.

618
00:47:15,844 --> 00:47:19,464
And it's because they don't even get to see their grandkids now.

619
00:47:19,525 --> 00:47:19,724
Right.

620
00:47:19,724 --> 00:47:31,664
the way society's set up we we've got mothers now giving over ownership of babies to daycare

621
00:47:31,664 --> 00:47:36,564
weeks like as young as two or three months because they've got to get back to work

622
00:47:36,564 --> 00:47:43,364
and then you've got mothers maybe they've managed to like get them to five but now you've got to

623
00:47:43,364 --> 00:47:47,944
walk them to the school gates at the age of five and give them up at the gate and you know they're

624
00:47:47,944 --> 00:47:53,524
gone for the next 15 years there's someone else's and you've got that age group you know

625
00:47:53,524 --> 00:48:00,364
five to 20 locked in the classroom you've got the age group of 20 to 70 locked in a cubicle

626
00:48:00,364 --> 00:48:07,984
and then you've got the age group of 70 to 85 locked in an old people's home or like wandering

627
00:48:07,984 --> 00:48:16,744
around the high street with that's devoid of life none of the parks are alive because all the kids

628
00:48:16,744 --> 00:48:24,244
are at school like it's it's a sad world out there and it it makes no sense but this is this is all by

629
00:48:24,244 --> 00:48:31,164
design that this is the this is the darkest part of it all and it's up to us to to break that and

630
00:48:31,164 --> 00:48:38,704
you to be able to stand up and say no this is my family this is these are my kids i get to decide

631
00:48:38,704 --> 00:48:45,804
like homeschooling completely illegal in many countries in europe like wake up crazy wake up

632
00:48:45,804 --> 00:48:46,804
There's a reason.

633
00:48:47,124 --> 00:48:48,644
There's a reason they want your children.

634
00:48:49,784 --> 00:48:50,704
It's wild.

635
00:48:52,444 --> 00:48:54,524
Yeah, like, and no one sort of writes,

636
00:48:54,884 --> 00:48:57,644
I'll give a plug to our mutual friend,

637
00:48:57,724 --> 00:48:59,504
Seb Bunny, with that Hidden Cost of Money book

638
00:48:59,504 --> 00:49:02,364
he's written because he's peeled back

639
00:49:02,364 --> 00:49:04,724
all the layers of what's wrong with society

640
00:49:04,724 --> 00:49:06,604
and it comes down to the money, right?

641
00:49:06,984 --> 00:49:12,484
And like you say, it's by design to create a system

642
00:49:12,484 --> 00:49:17,944
where you no longer respect the parent-child bond.

643
00:49:18,204 --> 00:49:19,504
The child doesn't respect the parent.

644
00:49:19,824 --> 00:49:21,724
They're building peer relationships

645
00:49:21,724 --> 00:49:25,504
and relationships with people who don't care about them

646
00:49:25,504 --> 00:49:27,404
to the level that the parents do, right?

647
00:49:27,484 --> 00:49:29,004
So you drop your kid off.

648
00:49:29,784 --> 00:49:31,304
You've worked.

649
00:49:31,964 --> 00:49:34,524
You spent that six years getting that degree.

650
00:49:34,524 --> 00:49:37,464
So by hook or by crook, I'm going back to my career, you know,

651
00:49:37,864 --> 00:49:41,544
and we'll put the kids in school, and then they're in school,

652
00:49:41,544 --> 00:49:45,764
and then they're in after school care and we'll pick them up and we're tired and we're cranky and

653
00:49:45,764 --> 00:49:50,284
we just want to fix dinner get them to sport if we can and you're spending about what 40 minutes

654
00:49:50,284 --> 00:49:55,444
of quality time with your children and you're too tired and cranky to care and that's the real

655
00:49:55,444 --> 00:50:00,184
insidious thing like and when people step back and like critically assess what is my life like

656
00:50:00,184 --> 00:50:06,684
am i actually spending quality time or are we just existing together you know and that's what

657
00:50:06,684 --> 00:50:11,304
it comes down to and and that's where you know and that's not without its challenges certainly like

658
00:50:11,304 --> 00:50:16,144
Because me personally, my journey these last few years is I have done the Fiat hustle,

659
00:50:16,784 --> 00:50:18,304
tried to get as much income as I could.

660
00:50:18,644 --> 00:50:19,844
I mean, we make sacrifices.

661
00:50:19,844 --> 00:50:21,344
I worked away from home a lot.

662
00:50:21,404 --> 00:50:22,564
I worked a lot of overtime.

663
00:50:23,024 --> 00:50:27,024
But it meant that Carissa could stay home more and be there for the kids.

664
00:50:27,124 --> 00:50:29,004
So it was a trade-off we were happy to make.

665
00:50:29,384 --> 00:50:32,144
However, I missed a lot of that attachment.

666
00:50:32,744 --> 00:50:36,944
They're very much stronger with their mum, closer to their mum than they are with their dad.

667
00:50:36,944 --> 00:50:42,604
and again it's only from being able to step outside step back into that system and and be

668
00:50:42,604 --> 00:50:46,924
able to assess that and it was it wasn't all sunshine and roses in this caravan like we're

669
00:50:46,924 --> 00:50:51,084
in a tin can we've gone from dad works away quite a lot to the last couple years being home a fair

670
00:50:51,084 --> 00:50:58,024
bit more we're still working away every now and then to like dad's here now 24 7 in this tin can

671
00:50:58,024 --> 00:51:11,748
it was a bit of a shock to the system this is this i wanted to get to this point it written down here van life and because I wanted to dig into that because fuck man I know exactly what you talking about Like when we did it I pulled off the Band

672
00:51:11,968 --> 00:51:16,608
I was Mr. Work, like from 6.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m.,

673
00:51:16,608 --> 00:51:20,248
be gone two or three nights a week on corporate freaking events.

674
00:51:20,428 --> 00:51:22,968
And, you know, all this bullshit, right?

675
00:51:23,528 --> 00:51:24,648
To 24-7 dad.

676
00:51:25,028 --> 00:51:28,188
But more importantly, 24-7 husband.

677
00:51:28,188 --> 00:51:36,488
who's now who's now god forbid making parenting decisions on the fucking fly

678
00:51:36,488 --> 00:51:47,528
just dropping bombs all over the place like uh that's me man that was me so you've got that in

679
00:51:47,528 --> 00:51:55,248
close quarters like at least we were in a house like you know where i could uh man there were some

680
00:51:55,248 --> 00:52:01,908
times there there was there was some tough tough times where i would just i'd have to leave i'd have

681
00:52:01,908 --> 00:52:06,748
to go for a long long walk because i wasn't used to having the four kids around and i wasn't used

682
00:52:06,748 --> 00:52:13,528
to them bickering and bickering and bickering about the most pointless of shit and i wasn't

683
00:52:13,528 --> 00:52:17,628
used to like me turning around and start making a decision and then being faced that no that's not

684
00:52:17,628 --> 00:52:25,208
how we do it what do you mean it's like what like whatever like just let them do no no no no like

685
00:52:25,208 --> 00:52:32,328
that's not the routine so how are you managing that because it is it's definitely been an

686
00:52:32,328 --> 00:52:37,008
adjustment because like you say like you know and i get the argument too like carissa would go say

687
00:52:37,008 --> 00:52:42,308
to me like how dare you come in and disrupt the thing that i've been taking care of for the last

688
00:52:42,308 --> 00:52:48,168
12 years you just come on in and and make all the decisions and i'm like respect my authority

689
00:52:48,168 --> 00:52:53,528
you know it's like well no mate you're gonna have to take eat a bit of humble pie here and take a

690
00:52:53,528 --> 00:52:58,128
bit of a back seat and it was, it was a bit confronting. You know, certainly the D word

691
00:52:58,128 --> 00:53:02,348
was dropped and threatened quite a few times, whether they were tongue in cheek or half

692
00:53:02,348 --> 00:53:06,748
serious, but you know, you've got to sit back and you go, righto, well, sometimes you are

693
00:53:06,748 --> 00:53:13,288
a cranky asshole. So, you know, and again, like what you said, for me, it was the closed

694
00:53:13,288 --> 00:53:18,408
quarters and the noise. Cause I think I'm fully on the spectrum and I think most early

695
00:53:18,408 --> 00:53:22,128
because people with the Bitcoin are somewhat on the spectrum

696
00:53:22,128 --> 00:53:26,288
and I am very prone to oversaturation of stimulus

697
00:53:26,288 --> 00:53:28,588
and being in the tin can was definitely,

698
00:53:28,628 --> 00:53:29,528
and the kids are the same.

699
00:53:29,708 --> 00:53:31,948
And I think everyone's to a degree, right?

700
00:53:32,028 --> 00:53:36,668
But definitely two boys get in their hypo cycle

701
00:53:36,668 --> 00:53:38,808
where they're, and they're just having fun, man.

702
00:53:38,828 --> 00:53:39,488
They're just kids.

703
00:53:39,908 --> 00:53:41,768
They're carrying on, they're being noisy

704
00:53:41,768 --> 00:53:43,128
and we're in a caravan park.

705
00:53:43,208 --> 00:53:44,808
I'm like, she's going to wake the neighbours up

706
00:53:44,808 --> 00:53:47,628
and we've got to respect everybody and rah, rah, rah.

707
00:53:47,628 --> 00:53:49,588
and then they just get louder and louder and louder

708
00:53:49,588 --> 00:53:51,268
and then dad just explodes.

709
00:53:51,668 --> 00:53:53,868
So you've got to remove yourself from the situation.

710
00:53:54,248 --> 00:53:55,488
And it's probably the most important thing

711
00:53:55,488 --> 00:53:56,328
is you're still a human.

712
00:53:57,028 --> 00:54:00,448
You're still a person with feelings and wants and needs

713
00:54:00,448 --> 00:54:03,388
and your own thoughts and you need your own space.

714
00:54:04,148 --> 00:54:07,308
Sometimes hard to achieve when you're driving for three hours,

715
00:54:07,428 --> 00:54:10,928
setting up the caravan and getting it all going again

716
00:54:10,928 --> 00:54:12,748
and three days later you're doing it again.

717
00:54:12,868 --> 00:54:15,588
But like it's just important to respect everyone's space,

718
00:54:15,768 --> 00:54:16,688
respect everyone's time.

719
00:54:16,688 --> 00:54:19,648
and if you need that time out, just, okay, just go and have it.

720
00:54:20,268 --> 00:54:24,988
And it's been a balance, but, I mean, when you weigh that up to,

721
00:54:25,828 --> 00:54:29,388
it's a very small negative in a world full of positives

722
00:54:29,388 --> 00:54:31,728
in terms of everything else we've been speaking about.

723
00:54:31,948 --> 00:54:34,748
Like, you just, and again, you just got to suck it up, man, and go, okay,

724
00:54:35,348 --> 00:54:36,588
maybe you are the cause here.

725
00:54:38,028 --> 00:54:40,188
Maybe your input's not needed right now,

726
00:54:40,188 --> 00:54:42,428
or maybe you've taken the wrong approach,

727
00:54:42,428 --> 00:54:46,588
or maybe you have been cranky and eat some humble pie.

728
00:54:46,688 --> 00:54:50,648
say the sorries, go and buy some ice creams and try and bribe your way back

729
00:54:50,648 --> 00:54:51,848
into the good books, you know?

730
00:54:55,748 --> 00:54:56,228
Yeah.

731
00:54:59,248 --> 00:55:04,648
And again, it shows you how much the fiat system takes away from you

732
00:55:04,648 --> 00:55:08,128
because like the family unit.

733
00:55:08,488 --> 00:55:10,828
And again, yeah, huge respect to Seb and his book.

734
00:55:10,828 --> 00:55:14,848
And I remember when we did a podcast together,

735
00:55:14,848 --> 00:55:17,088
we dug into Gabor Marte's work

736
00:55:17,088 --> 00:55:18,248
like Hold On To Your Kids

737
00:55:18,248 --> 00:55:21,848
which I think is essential reading

738
00:55:21,848 --> 00:55:24,008
for parents to understand

739
00:55:24,008 --> 00:55:26,468
and actually shout out to Rob Brindad

740
00:55:26,468 --> 00:55:28,848
mutual friend of ours as well

741
00:55:28,848 --> 00:55:31,528
he's just dropped his new book called Glitch

742
00:55:31,528 --> 00:55:34,768
and a lot of his work is centered around

743
00:55:34,768 --> 00:55:38,828
trauma that you suffer as a child

744
00:55:38,828 --> 00:55:41,488
and whether we know it or not

745
00:55:41,488 --> 00:55:51,448
we are through our actions as parents are passing some traumatic experiences down to our kids like

746
00:55:51,448 --> 00:55:56,228
taking them out of school for example like you know putting them in was traumatic enough like

747
00:55:56,228 --> 00:56:00,968
that that's the pure trauma there but then taking them out and yanking them away from their friends

748
00:56:00,968 --> 00:56:06,888
and whatever else that's a whole different set of trauma but then what what follows that with your

749
00:56:06,888 --> 00:56:11,508
your year in van life and whatever else that will go with them for the rest of their life and

750
00:56:11,508 --> 00:56:19,488
i'm not saying it's going to undo everything but and to your point you know in your own mind

751
00:56:19,488 --> 00:56:25,488
you've got your own monkey mind and it's going to be playing havoc with you and uh you're

752
00:56:25,488 --> 00:56:30,068
essentially two personalities right but then you've got to realize everybody else around you is

753
00:56:30,068 --> 00:56:33,828
there's not there's not four of you living in that tin can there's eight right

754
00:56:33,828 --> 00:56:38,108
and the dog and the dog

755
00:56:38,108 --> 00:56:48,588
and it's about realizing you know who who's shown up that morning and uh we can be as

756
00:56:48,588 --> 00:56:56,088
intentional and meditate and but still it's so difficult uh and uh if if nobody's read

757
00:56:56,088 --> 00:57:03,768
the hidden cost of money by seb uh please do i was lucky enough humbled enough to be asked to

758
00:57:03,768 --> 00:57:08,848
write the foreword for that and i loved reading it and uh yeah rob's new book is out glitch or

759
00:57:08,848 --> 00:57:13,048
his other book is decentralized mind as well which uh which are great i've read decentralized

760
00:57:13,048 --> 00:57:17,208
mind i didn't realize he brought a new one out so i'll be ordering that one for sure because

761
00:57:17,208 --> 00:57:21,468
decentralized mind was another great book and he does he does great work he's a great thought

762
00:57:21,468 --> 00:57:27,388
leader uh in and around you know digging into that that trauma that decentralized mind dug into a lot

763
00:57:27,388 --> 00:57:31,788
of that like and i'm i'm definitely a product of that right and you can sit back and go well

764
00:57:31,788 --> 00:57:39,668
a lot of what I express is a direct mirror image to how my father treated me right now I didn't

765
00:57:39,668 --> 00:57:43,648
like it when I was a kid but I didn't realize the slipping into those those habits and I'm not saying

766
00:57:43,648 --> 00:57:49,928
he was a bad dad he was a terrific dad but um was he perfect no no one is but it's sometimes

767
00:57:49,928 --> 00:57:56,108
important to go well he never used to handle that situation as best as he possibly could and and

768
00:57:56,108 --> 00:58:01,008
and I'm mirroring that like and I'm walking in his own shoes and and that's the other thing I

769
00:58:01,008 --> 00:58:10,188
think like um for me i often reflect on i want my children to be better than me so how i'm showing

770
00:58:10,188 --> 00:58:16,668
up right now they will carry with them and that affects me more probably than anything and and

771
00:58:16,668 --> 00:58:23,248
being true to yourself going well you know i don't you know i can have anger issues i can be an angry

772
00:58:23,248 --> 00:58:29,068
dad and i don't like it i don't like that side of me and i don't want them growing up being angry

773
00:58:29,068 --> 00:58:34,608
dads you know so it's just important to be a little bit open to yourself and reflect on how

774
00:58:34,608 --> 00:58:40,048
it is that you're showing up because it will impart on them it's inevitable yeah for sure mate and

775
00:58:40,048 --> 00:58:43,948
that's what rob talks about you know running the operating system that's been passed down through

776
00:58:43,948 --> 00:58:49,588
the generations and how do you break that how do you how do you that's why i love his new book

777
00:58:49,588 --> 00:58:54,668
glitch i'm halfway through it it's like you know it's like the spinny beach ball of death you know

778
00:58:54,668 --> 00:59:00,628
you get on the operating system you can't get past it's like how do you force quit that and uh

779
00:59:00,628 --> 00:59:06,608
he's his analogy is perfect and and that's his work and that's what he does so does you might

780
00:59:06,608 --> 00:59:16,788
have already experienced this kind of creeping back into the the fiat realm but uh how do you

781
00:59:16,788 --> 00:59:24,608
think about when you go back you guys are going to be so different everything else is just the same

782
00:59:24,608 --> 00:59:31,228
mate everyone else is just the same they're just tickety-boo you'll get back and you'll you know

783
00:59:31,228 --> 00:59:36,368
reconnect with old friends and they'll they'll be in exactly the same place they were before

784
00:59:36,368 --> 00:59:41,508
mate like they can't they'll see you guys in like oh shit years gone by that that that felt like

785
00:59:41,508 --> 00:59:47,828
three weeks they'll be the same they'll think the same they'll be doing the same and you guys

786
00:59:47,828 --> 00:59:53,828
are coming back completely different people with a completely different mindset having seen

787
00:59:53,828 --> 00:59:59,948
so many different you know things and so many different ways in which each of you have grown

788
00:59:59,948 --> 01:00:06,408
uh did you see did you feel that already going back into already so i'm gonna be in back at the

789
01:00:06,408 --> 01:00:15,568
fiat job three weeks within the first day realizing nothing had changed like just i've been gone a

790
01:00:15,568 --> 01:00:22,728
full eight months for that stage and looking around going there is absolutely nothing that's

791
01:00:22,728 --> 01:00:41,332
changed here You know sure a lot happens but by the same token it like I could have left last week in terms of the work the conversations the know and it and it is hard to go back into that groove and pretend that you haven changed and not that

792
01:00:41,332 --> 01:00:47,432
necessarily that you need to but um you know a lot of people are looking at how did you do that

793
01:00:47,432 --> 01:00:53,312
how like you know those questions are starting to ask because everyone wants it

794
01:00:53,312 --> 01:00:58,652
everyone looks around and observes it and goes wow that's such a great experience i want

795
01:00:58,652 --> 01:01:04,032
that for me um and it's a great opportunity to start you know well you know you need to feather

796
01:01:04,032 --> 01:01:09,032
your nest first from the from the get-go so you need to change your denominator you need to

797
01:01:09,032 --> 01:01:15,132
need to change what you're valuing your life in um because it ain't fiat and fiat's not going to

798
01:01:15,132 --> 01:01:20,372
get you there so um i think it's a great you know orange pilling moment for for people to

799
01:01:20,372 --> 01:01:25,172
open that question up because again man this wouldn't have been possible if i wasn't a bitcoin

800
01:01:25,172 --> 01:01:35,292
If I, you know, it wasn't a Bitcoin from a start and then wasn't then open to exploring, well, if the money's fucked, how has everything else been manipulated?

801
01:01:35,712 --> 01:01:40,372
And I wouldn't have come across your book, certainly, and it wouldn't have, you know, it's all a journey, man.

802
01:01:40,412 --> 01:01:44,172
It's all part of what I needed to go through to experience.

803
01:01:45,012 --> 01:01:48,832
And coming back, it is going to be hard to try and assimilate back in.

804
01:01:48,832 --> 01:01:55,252
But by the same token, we would have changed the degree in which we navigate all that ourselves, right?

805
01:01:55,352 --> 01:01:59,732
So again, just mention that we probably won't get Carissa to go back to the fiat life.

806
01:02:00,052 --> 01:02:04,192
She will probably stay outside that system for as long as we can affect that.

807
01:02:04,312 --> 01:02:06,012
And that's just a conscious decision we've made.

808
01:02:06,152 --> 01:02:09,132
Like beforehand, she's like, no, no, I need to work.

809
01:02:09,192 --> 01:02:09,872
I need to contribute.

810
01:02:10,032 --> 01:02:11,392
I need to do all this sort of stuff.

811
01:02:11,452 --> 01:02:12,432
It's like, do you?

812
01:02:12,432 --> 01:02:19,092
if we don't have to, you know, buy the $4.2 million mansion, you know,

813
01:02:19,352 --> 01:02:22,592
or we don't have to buy the $3.2 million butter box,

814
01:02:22,712 --> 01:02:26,472
like, because that's how ridiculously Australian property market's going at the moment.

815
01:02:26,472 --> 01:02:27,852
Like, you know, do you really?

816
01:02:28,112 --> 01:02:29,752
Like, what is more important to us?

817
01:02:29,832 --> 01:02:31,432
It's like being there for the kids,

818
01:02:31,512 --> 01:02:34,192
giving them all the experience that they can possibly get,

819
01:02:34,332 --> 01:02:36,432
and we'll make some of those trade-offs.

820
01:02:36,612 --> 01:02:41,132
And again, only possible now because we've been able to opt out of the system.

821
01:02:42,432 --> 01:02:52,312
yes how do you feel because when the kids when the kids reconnect with their friends as well

822
01:02:52,312 --> 01:03:02,432
you'll see i saw it uh it's tough for them as well um because they are just they they mature so much

823
01:03:02,432 --> 01:03:07,812
being around you being around other adults being around kids of all ages right it doesn't matter

824
01:03:07,812 --> 01:03:10,732
if they're older, they're younger, meeting strangers.

825
01:03:11,352 --> 01:03:13,732
I mean, that's a huge, huge life lesson,

826
01:03:13,872 --> 01:03:14,652
a huge life skill,

827
01:03:14,732 --> 01:03:17,552
being able to talk to absolutely anyone of any age

828
01:03:17,552 --> 01:03:21,652
and then being just exposed

829
01:03:21,652 --> 01:03:23,432
to that one same age group again.

830
01:03:23,632 --> 01:03:26,732
It's a very, very difficult adjustment to make.

831
01:03:27,772 --> 01:03:30,952
So yeah, just word to the warning for those that are,

832
01:03:30,952 --> 01:03:34,932
you know, again, it's not all a bed of roses, right?

833
01:03:35,832 --> 01:03:36,912
Life isn't.

834
01:03:36,912 --> 01:03:39,732
The future is unknown.

835
01:03:40,152 --> 01:03:43,172
We're just trying to navigate these stormy waters, right,

836
01:03:43,232 --> 01:03:43,872
best we can.

837
01:03:44,952 --> 01:03:49,632
So, yeah, I mean, have we covered everything there?

838
01:03:51,172 --> 01:03:54,132
I guess the only other thing I would say to the,

839
01:03:55,032 --> 01:03:59,432
just to that notion is certainly a couple of different approaches

840
01:03:59,432 --> 01:04:02,352
to the travel, right, is when we did the big lap,

841
01:04:02,732 --> 01:04:03,692
we were on the go.

842
01:04:03,692 --> 01:04:09,192
so I think the kids to a degree did miss out on some of the connections that you would make if

843
01:04:09,192 --> 01:04:14,212
you were in somewhere for a month or two which um now we're starting to experience on the back end

844
01:04:14,212 --> 01:04:17,752
of this because we're still traveling but now we've got a bit of a home base we're going to be

845
01:04:17,752 --> 01:04:22,292
staying on the Sunshine Coast for about four months um and now we're starting to see more of

846
01:04:22,292 --> 01:04:26,592
those connections because they're you know spending a longer period of time but when we were travel

847
01:04:26,592 --> 01:04:31,832
travel travel it was basically three days kind of maximum any one spot and we were go go go go

848
01:04:31,832 --> 01:04:37,392
so they missed out on developing some of those other relationships outside of because i remember

849
01:04:37,392 --> 01:04:43,212
you fondly speaking about that notion of your kid and your kids are a testament to this right

850
01:04:43,212 --> 01:04:47,992
meeting them in madera was amazing and they can hold a conversation with you and you think you're

851
01:04:47,992 --> 01:04:54,312
speaking to another adult you do not think you're speaking to your typical you know teenage kid um

852
01:04:54,312 --> 01:04:59,392
they hold conversation extremely well they're intelligent they are interested in what you have

853
01:04:59,392 --> 01:05:04,732
to say they ask intelligent questions it was an amazing experience to go how come other kids aren't

854
01:05:04,732 --> 01:05:11,692
like this you know like how come the you know the the other kids you meet friends of children are

855
01:05:11,692 --> 01:05:18,172
your friends and stuff like that they're um you know head down in gaming machines and don't have

856
01:05:18,172 --> 01:05:23,332
those those social skills and and just to that point too like people who worry about that social

857
01:05:23,332 --> 01:05:29,792
aspect of that homeschooling i mean you know i don't like facebook but there are some phenomenal

858
01:05:29,792 --> 01:05:36,512
facebook groups now because it's quite common um homeschooling unschooling um all these approaches

859
01:05:36,512 --> 01:05:42,152
and and the really cool thing is that like in the sunshine coast where we are now um there's a lot

860
01:05:42,152 --> 01:05:46,652
of these homeschool groups that get access to really cool things because it's cheap and it's

861
01:05:46,652 --> 01:05:50,872
off season so right now it's school holidays right but next week all the kids go back to school

862
01:05:50,872 --> 01:05:55,492
and then all of a sudden all of the activities that are normally chock-a-blocks on the weekends

863
01:05:55,492 --> 01:05:59,672
like the indoor rock climbing and all that they actually do discounted rates for homeschooling

864
01:05:59,672 --> 01:06:04,392
kids because it's a tuesday morning like there's no one else in doing the indoor rock climbing we

865
01:06:04,392 --> 01:06:09,252
may as well let these 20 odd random kids come in and we'll charge them 10 bucks a head the other

866
01:06:09,252 --> 01:06:15,612
cool thing here which i can't wait for the kids to experience is um one of these little dudes in

867
01:06:15,612 --> 01:06:17,812
in Sunshine Coast runs his own fishing business.

868
01:06:18,492 --> 01:06:22,212
So one of the homeschool things is he goes and he shows them

869
01:06:22,212 --> 01:06:25,512
how to tie their hooks, bait their hooks, and my kids love fishing.

870
01:06:26,172 --> 01:06:30,092
So, you know, we can't wait for this to return next week

871
01:06:30,092 --> 01:06:31,372
because they're going to go straight there.

872
01:06:31,432 --> 01:06:32,772
I think he charges, again, that $10.

873
01:06:33,032 --> 01:06:36,292
He provides all the bait, fishing rod if you don't have one,

874
01:06:36,332 --> 01:06:39,432
or a hand reel, and he goes and takes all these kids fishing.

875
01:06:39,432 --> 01:06:40,952
I just think it's absolutely magic.

876
01:06:41,552 --> 01:06:42,952
How old is that kid?

877
01:06:43,352 --> 01:06:45,312
I think he's 12 or something like that.

878
01:06:45,312 --> 01:06:46,032
I love it.

879
01:06:46,332 --> 01:06:47,472
That's so cool.

880
01:06:47,832 --> 01:06:48,852
And he's hustling, man.

881
01:06:48,952 --> 01:06:50,932
And he's learning entrepreneurship.

882
01:06:51,252 --> 01:06:52,732
He's learning profit loss.

883
01:06:52,952 --> 01:06:54,332
Like, how much does my bait cost?

884
01:06:54,372 --> 01:06:56,792
How much do I have to charge per head if I only have eight kids?

885
01:06:56,912 --> 01:06:58,372
You know, he's working all this stuff out.

886
01:06:58,372 --> 01:07:01,132
Like, I just think it's absolutely phenomenal.

887
01:07:01,672 --> 01:07:04,972
And, like, he's going to be balling when he's an adult, man.

888
01:07:05,012 --> 01:07:07,632
He's just going to be – he's going to get it, right?

889
01:07:08,032 --> 01:07:11,852
Well, let's – hopefully we'll get him accepting Bitcoin as well, Daz.

890
01:07:11,912 --> 01:07:13,272
I'm sure you're working on that.

891
01:07:13,272 --> 01:07:17,412
I'll try and orange pill him for sure.

892
01:07:18,252 --> 01:07:22,672
So have you managed to connect with any Bitcoiners whilst you've been on the road?

893
01:07:22,752 --> 01:07:24,832
Is it going to be easier now you're in the Sunshine Coast,

894
01:07:25,172 --> 01:07:27,132
plug into the local plebs?

895
01:07:27,992 --> 01:07:28,472
Yeah, definitely.

896
01:07:28,472 --> 01:07:29,792
I actually promised.

897
01:07:30,072 --> 01:07:34,272
I've given the Bitcoin community a lot of time over the last couple of years.

898
01:07:34,452 --> 01:07:40,192
So one of the things that I promised was to be a bit more present

899
01:07:40,192 --> 01:07:43,572
and not be distracted by the conferences and all that sort of stuff,

900
01:07:43,632 --> 01:07:44,092
which was nice.

901
01:07:44,152 --> 01:07:45,572
And it was a nice break for me too.

902
01:07:46,112 --> 01:07:50,472
And even having a break from listening to 40,000 podcasts a week,

903
01:07:50,572 --> 01:07:52,452
you know, like it's been a nice break.

904
01:07:52,552 --> 01:07:54,872
I have tried to, you know, because my wife,

905
01:07:55,012 --> 01:07:56,272
I wouldn't call her a Bitcoiner.

906
01:07:56,372 --> 01:07:59,112
She definitely likes what Bitcoin's done for us

907
01:07:59,112 --> 01:08:02,352
and she appreciates what it's done, but she's not a Bitcoiner.

908
01:08:02,812 --> 01:08:05,532
And I've tried, you know, across the Nullarbor Plain,

909
01:08:05,612 --> 01:08:08,892
which is like three days worth of driving of nothingness.

910
01:08:08,892 --> 01:08:11,912
I tried the sailor approach, the Jack Mallers approach.

911
01:08:12,312 --> 01:08:16,712
I've tried just about every podcast there are to try and find the one that,

912
01:08:17,212 --> 01:08:18,472
but I'm still, I haven't given up.

913
01:08:18,812 --> 01:08:21,692
She hasn't really resonated with any one person yet.

914
01:08:21,932 --> 01:08:25,092
But actually, Princey, I need to go back through your catalogue

915
01:08:25,092 --> 01:08:29,452
and dig up some of those original chats with the homeschooling mobs.

916
01:08:30,752 --> 01:08:31,772
But she loves it.

917
01:08:31,852 --> 01:08:32,892
She loves the homeschooling.

918
01:08:32,952 --> 01:08:33,932
She loves the lifestyle.

919
01:08:34,132 --> 01:08:34,772
She does miss home.

920
01:08:34,992 --> 01:08:35,552
She misses a mum.

921
01:08:35,552 --> 01:08:42,012
so she misses the the the things that home affords but you know same with her she we're looking back

922
01:08:42,012 --> 01:08:46,572
at this trip even now even the last you know eight months we've been on the road looking back with

923
01:08:46,572 --> 01:08:52,152
already fond memories like what we did in March seems like a lifetime ago and we've packed so much

924
01:08:52,152 --> 01:08:58,252
in and even now we're reflecting back going huh we'll go home in December but how long is it going

925
01:08:58,252 --> 01:09:05,232
to last where's the next place we're going to go and um you know again like wouldn't be able to do

926
01:09:05,232 --> 01:09:10,412
it if we didn't have the optionality that Bitcoin's provided us, right? To say, well, okay, maybe now

927
01:09:10,412 --> 01:09:16,192
I can take three months off leave without pay. Does that, you know, obviously affects the bottom

928
01:09:16,192 --> 01:09:21,232
line, but does it materially impact us or is that the way that we want to allocate our time and

929
01:09:21,232 --> 01:09:25,752
resources right now to live in the moment now? And again, like you said, I'll go back to the

930
01:09:25,752 --> 01:09:32,452
boardroom in 55, you know, and give them my time when I've got more time because the time now with

931
01:09:32,452 --> 01:09:38,312
the kids is absolutely precious so i'd rather rather spend it now love it mate well let's wrap

932
01:09:38,312 --> 01:09:42,772
it up uh i mean i've already asked you this question probably three times before but

933
01:09:42,772 --> 01:09:47,972
if you had one last orange pill left to give to somebody who would you give it to and why

934
01:09:47,972 --> 01:09:54,772
um yeah look i was actually thinking about this today and i was i was trying to think of um

935
01:09:54,772 --> 01:10:05,696
of some good good examples that were topical but really like what really important i think for us in Australia right now is we do not have a decent politician who understands Bitcoin

936
01:10:06,355 --> 01:10:07,355
I had some hope.

937
01:10:07,436 --> 01:10:08,556
There was some freedom-loving,

938
01:10:08,755 --> 01:10:10,056
freedom-focused politicians

939
01:10:10,056 --> 01:10:11,875
that sort of stood up through that COVID.

940
01:10:13,096 --> 01:10:14,956
And one who shall remain nameless

941
01:10:14,956 --> 01:10:16,096
because he's not even worth the breath

942
01:10:16,096 --> 01:10:18,696
is he's just too proud to get it right.

943
01:10:20,176 --> 01:10:21,635
I would probably give it

944
01:10:21,635 --> 01:10:24,015
to one of these freedom-loving politicians

945
01:10:24,015 --> 01:10:26,436
because it's not like we need politicians for Bitcoin,

946
01:10:26,895 --> 01:10:29,995
but it definitely helps if we have some sensibility

947
01:10:29,995 --> 01:10:33,355
in people who are making the decisions around Money Printer.

948
01:10:34,176 --> 01:10:36,196
If you've got any influence over that,

949
01:10:36,275 --> 01:10:38,015
we need to really start integrating.

950
01:10:38,475 --> 01:10:40,475
And the Australian Bitcoin industry body,

951
01:10:40,536 --> 01:10:44,975
they do a great job of keep trying to put it on the political table,

952
01:10:44,975 --> 01:10:48,576
but we still don't have the Senator Lummis in Australia

953
01:10:48,576 --> 01:10:51,196
who's even curious about it.

954
01:10:51,296 --> 01:10:53,436
Like we had a guy a few years ago,

955
01:10:53,436 --> 01:10:58,836
was like crypto focus but he got co-opted by the crypto groups right and lost his lost his sort of

956
01:10:58,836 --> 01:11:04,655
way we had some hope for him um but yeah there's no one who gets it man there's no one who who's

957
01:11:04,655 --> 01:11:09,135
critically going because that's the that's the the pill you need right to start questioning

958
01:11:09,135 --> 01:11:13,836
everything else like and half the time they get the they get the notion they get the idea that

959
01:11:13,836 --> 01:11:19,615
hey there's some pretty insidious groups and organizations who are controlling for pretty

960
01:11:19,615 --> 01:11:24,316
perverse incentives are in here maybe i should start looking at the money you know and i'm

961
01:11:24,316 --> 01:11:29,796
surprised it hasn't happened yet but um if if i could orange pill somebody it'd be a couple of

962
01:11:29,796 --> 01:11:35,796
those guys anyway excellent mate well thanks for coming back on and thanks for uh you know updating

963
01:11:35,796 --> 01:11:41,875
us with uh with all your personal details and how you did it and why you did it and hopefully will

964
01:11:41,875 --> 01:11:47,235
inspire some others uh you wrote your book as well be is for bitcoin you co-wrote that with seb

965
01:11:47,235 --> 01:11:48,556
So we should plug that.

966
01:11:48,755 --> 01:11:50,495
I'll put that link in the show notes.

967
01:11:51,275 --> 01:11:53,936
Bitcoin Advisor, are you still doing that as well?

968
01:11:54,135 --> 01:11:54,916
Yeah, absolutely.

969
01:11:55,115 --> 01:11:56,316
I still don't work for Bitcoin Advisor.

970
01:11:56,475 --> 01:11:58,176
So helping people with their inheritance planning

971
01:11:58,176 --> 01:12:00,775
and collaborative custody approach to Bitcoin.

972
01:12:01,096 --> 01:12:04,316
So if that worries you, keeps you up at night,

973
01:12:04,436 --> 01:12:07,036
then yeah, by all means, reach out and we can have a chat

974
01:12:07,036 --> 01:12:10,356
and see if it suits your approach to how you manage your Bitcoin.

975
01:12:11,096 --> 01:12:13,416
So yeah, busy, getting busier and busier.

976
01:12:13,416 --> 01:12:16,735
I think there's a lot of people encouraging to see,

977
01:12:16,735 --> 01:12:17,956
like new people to Bitcoin, right?

978
01:12:17,975 --> 01:12:19,615
It's a really good approach for somebody

979
01:12:19,615 --> 01:12:21,995
who's not quite ready to do the full custody

980
01:12:21,995 --> 01:12:24,696
and hold your keys and your world is your destiny.

981
01:12:24,956 --> 01:12:28,556
So we're really starting to see some encouragement there

982
01:12:28,556 --> 01:12:31,155
as well as the self-managed super fund space.

983
01:12:31,275 --> 01:12:32,436
So in Australia, we're really lucky.

984
01:12:32,556 --> 01:12:36,895
We can actually control how our forced savings are allocated

985
01:12:36,895 --> 01:12:38,975
and we can hold it in self-custody.

986
01:12:39,336 --> 01:12:41,936
So we're starting to see a lot of people

987
01:12:41,936 --> 01:12:43,735
starting to wake up to the fact,

988
01:12:43,836 --> 01:12:45,856
hey, do I really want this other organisation

989
01:12:45,856 --> 01:12:48,456
dipping their hand into my four savings

990
01:12:48,456 --> 01:12:50,936
and not allocating it to what resonates with me.

991
01:12:51,056 --> 01:12:53,296
So that's a great way of, you know,

992
01:12:53,316 --> 01:12:55,975
increasing your stack is through a self-managed super fund.

993
01:12:56,255 --> 01:12:57,556
You can basically, you know,

994
01:12:58,316 --> 01:13:00,916
instantly step change your complete stack size

995
01:13:00,916 --> 01:13:02,436
by getting some allocation,

996
01:13:02,676 --> 01:13:04,596
which is, yeah, it's really, really encouraging to see.

997
01:13:04,856 --> 01:13:06,796
So if that interests you and you want to reach out,

998
01:13:06,916 --> 01:13:08,556
by all means, appreciate it, love to have a chat.

999
01:13:09,395 --> 01:13:09,755
Excellent.

1000
01:13:09,995 --> 01:13:10,956
Thanks for coming on, Daz.

1001
01:13:11,456 --> 01:13:12,215
Take care, mate.

1002
01:13:12,215 --> 01:13:12,596
Appreciate you, man.

1003
01:13:12,995 --> 01:13:13,775
Have a good evening.

1004
01:13:13,975 --> 01:13:15,076
Yeah, great to see you again.

1005
01:13:15,076 --> 01:13:16,135
you too buddy

1006
01:13:45,076 --> 01:13:52,875
So if this interview has piqued your interest, get over to the link in the show notes to my book.

1007
01:13:52,975 --> 01:13:54,076
It's called Choose Life.

1008
01:13:54,635 --> 01:13:56,176
It's on Consensus Network.

1009
01:13:56,456 --> 01:13:59,356
So bitcoinbook.shop forward slash bitten.

1010
01:13:59,655 --> 01:14:04,995
If you want to support a Bitcoin business, you can buy it via the Lightning Network with Bitcoin over there.

1011
01:14:05,456 --> 01:14:06,936
If not, it's available on Amazon.

1012
01:14:07,655 --> 01:14:10,735
So whatever is easiest for you.

1013
01:14:11,056 --> 01:14:12,356
Or come and find me at a conference.

1014
01:14:12,356 --> 01:14:19,936
I usually take a bunch and sign them and people can buy them and come and find me and I happily sign it.

1015
01:14:20,796 --> 01:14:24,356
So it's always great to meet people that...

1016
01:14:25,115 --> 01:14:35,356
Just this weekend in BitFest in Manchester, one of the artists came up to me and said that it was my book that unlocked...

1017
01:14:36,015 --> 01:14:40,036
He had wanted to take his kid out of school, him and his wife have an 11-year-old.

1018
01:14:40,036 --> 01:14:42,336
He was really desperate to get them out of the system.

1019
01:14:42,356 --> 01:14:44,536
because he's separated money from state,

1020
01:14:44,875 --> 01:14:46,775
wants to separate education from state,

1021
01:14:47,056 --> 01:14:47,956
health from state,

1022
01:14:48,056 --> 01:14:48,956
all the things, right?

1023
01:14:48,995 --> 01:14:50,056
As soon as you grok this,

1024
01:14:50,255 --> 01:14:50,816
you want to,

1025
01:14:51,336 --> 01:14:53,096
as soon as you grok one of these things,

1026
01:14:53,635 --> 01:14:55,176
like a homeschooler family

1027
01:14:55,176 --> 01:14:56,536
is going to find Bitcoin one day

1028
01:14:56,536 --> 01:14:58,576
because they've separated education from state.

1029
01:14:58,755 --> 01:15:00,196
So they're just on the journey.

1030
01:15:01,096 --> 01:15:02,856
And he said it was my book

1031
01:15:02,856 --> 01:15:05,456
that he gifted to his wife.

1032
01:15:05,456 --> 01:15:06,916
And once she read that,

1033
01:15:07,275 --> 01:15:09,196
everything changed.

1034
01:15:09,556 --> 01:15:11,755
And now their 11-year-old is out of school.

1035
01:15:12,356 --> 01:15:19,235
and they're having a great time that obviously there are challenges like that this is a step

1036
01:15:19,235 --> 01:15:24,956
shift and it doesn't happen overnight and you can't be too hard on yourself and you can't be

1037
01:15:24,956 --> 01:15:34,056
too hard on your kid either because if you pull them out especially 11 12 13 that kind of age

1038
01:15:34,056 --> 01:15:38,375
you've got to remember at that point they've been institutionalized for six seven eight years

1039
01:15:38,375 --> 01:15:47,135
it's a lot of undoing and there's a lot of you know retrospective kind of thinking and

1040
01:15:47,135 --> 01:15:53,175
deprogramming and debugging that has to go into that and don't forget you yourself probably went

1041
01:15:53,175 --> 01:16:02,155
through minimum 15 year stint in that indoctrination system and still today you carry

1042
01:16:02,155 --> 01:16:07,175
trauma from it and still today you carry trigger points from it and

1043
01:16:07,175 --> 01:16:15,775
programmed behaviors is probably the best way i can describe it i've got a podcast coming up soon

1044
01:16:15,775 --> 01:16:22,035
actually with rob brinded listen out for that one it's called glitch the title of his new book and

1045
01:16:22,035 --> 01:16:30,275
we go into all of this kind of stuff and he his book honestly just go and read it uh he also is

1046
01:16:30,275 --> 01:16:36,975
the author of mind decentralized and uh it's a look at his work into um working on people's the

1047
01:16:36,975 --> 01:16:43,416
way he analogizes it as working on people's operating systems and helping you figure out

1048
01:16:43,416 --> 01:16:48,715
why you think the way you think and why you behave the way you behave under certain stressors

1049
01:16:48,715 --> 01:16:56,636
and it all is linked back to trauma which is linked a lot to gabor mate's work and gabor mate

1050
01:16:56,636 --> 01:17:02,995
wrote a book called hold on to your kids which i've discussed actually with the co-author of

1051
01:17:02,995 --> 01:17:08,675
das's book here seb bunny so if you go back and listen to that interview with seb bunny

1052
01:17:08,675 --> 01:17:17,235
you'll get a feel for that uh it's it's deep stuff guys honestly and as a parent um

1053
01:17:17,235 --> 01:17:26,015
there's no way you can stop yourself putting your children in certain traumatic situations

1054
01:17:26,015 --> 01:17:33,575
but being aware of that is a huge step forward and if you can be just more present in their life

1055
01:17:33,575 --> 01:17:41,175
day to day that's just a huge step forward and taking them out of the indoctrination system

1056
01:17:41,175 --> 01:17:46,815
is the best way that you can do that obviously not everybody's in the same situation i know that

1057
01:17:46,815 --> 01:17:51,515
and in dazzy's cases and in many other people's cases you know if you've got that bitcoin safety

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net then you you do start opening yourselves up to this optionality in life that you never thought

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you might ever have and it's worth exploring like for sure it's worth exploring but reach out to

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other families like i said and um go and chat with them at the conferences nathan day and his family

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nathan day from vtc maps they did the same thing took the kids out of school went traveling for

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Almost a solid two or three years in their great big overlander,

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much like Daz has done in Australia here.

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So all that said, I'm out of music.

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Thank you so much, guys, for listening.

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go fund a project on geyser.fund just throw some sats at something that you think looks really cool

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and you want to help get off the ground and if you're for whatever reason worried about uh like

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With that said, thank you so much for listening. Thanks again, Daz. I'll catch you guys on the next show.