Hello, everybody. My name is Daniel Prince, and I'm the host of the Once Bitten podcast.
This is a podcast focused on Bitcoin. It's my mission to interview as many people as I can
around the different aspects of Bitcoin and help people understand exactly what Bitcoin could mean
for them and for their families and for their future. I hope you enjoy the show. Thank you so
much for listening. Hello everybody and welcome to this episode of the Once Bitten podcast.
Rejoining the show, fan favorite, big friend of the show, the thunder from down under,
we've got Daz. Daz back on the show. If you've not heard Daz before on any of the other podcasts
out there, you're clearly not getting your 40 hours per weekend. He's been on loads of shows.
He's the co-author of B is for Bitcoin alongside Seb Bunny.
He's been doing a great deal of work in the space with the initiative that's sprung up around the world actually of helping Bitcoiners navigate their way through the waters.
Whether that is help with setting up your cold storage, UTXO management, getting a node up and running, all the way down to like the most basic questions.
So he's been Bitcoin advisor for a long time.
You can reach out to Daz if you have any of those questions at any time.
He loves connecting with the plebs.
Great musician.
He's always at the events in and around Australia.
And just the last year, he took a sabbatical from his job.
His wife and Daz took the kids out of school.
and they've been unschooling, homeschooling, world schooling, van life all around Australia for the last year
and he wanted to come on and share the story because we know there are a bunch of Bitcoiners out there
that would love to do the same thing and they really connect and resonate with the stories when they hear them.
So here's a success story of how your average run-of-the-mill pleb,
and I mean that with all the love in my heart, Daz, and I know you know you know that.
his dad's he's going to tell you how they did it and the difference it's made to their lives
the difference it's made to their mindset as a family how it's affected their kids and all that
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mate we're recording straight in straight out straight up beautiful looking fella look at you
fuck it fuck it we'll do it live das we'll do it live how are you my brother very good mate so good
to see you been a long time yeah it's been too long i was trying to think today what's this for
me episode four i reckon four i think number four for daz back on the once bitten podcast
unfortunately i don't have my co-host with me but uh let's say the only reason i come on i know uh
she she's fired the question of me to relate to you so so don't worry but uh well i guess before
we before i ask that we need a little bit of need a little bit of context as to why we're catching
up so do you want to get all the listeners up to speed as to uh what your life's been like for the
last year absolutely well you are largely to blame my friend because a few little years ago i i read
the book i was trying to think of the book equivalent to an earworm right and i think it's
it's obviously a bookworm right so you read this little book i pick up this little manuscript called
choose life and i read it and then this little niggling thing has been in the back of my brain
going, I want that for me. I want that for me. So anybody just straight from the outset,
if you have not read this book, Choose Life by Mr. Daniel Prince, what are you doing with
your life? Go out and get it and read it. And I'm sure we'll dig right into the contents
of that and how it influenced. But yeah, it's been sitting on the back of my mind to go
and get a little slice of that for me and the family. So long story short, I guess we
packed up, rented the house out, got some tenants in and set sail in the caravan. So we've been
traveling around Australia in our caravan for the last seven and a half months. So the goal is we
pulled the kids out of school. We've been travel schooling them and yeah, been traveling this
bloody big country of ours. We've done 35,000 Ks, 150 caravan sites, and we've still only seen
the tiniest fraction of of this country but um we've done done about half a lap so we've we've
gone right down the east coast right along the southern coast over to tasmania went over to perth
over in western australia and we pretty much come back and did pretty uh a bit more of a country route
back through from coast to country and then um snow and all everything in between and now we're
just based ourselves out of the Sunshine Coast, which is an absolutely magical world for a few
months before we head home. All right, perfect. We will dig into all of those little trips and
adventures, but that lines me up nicely to ask Lauren's first question. And I lined her up and
said, remember, Daz, that you met in Madeira, you went on the big long walk together, you did the
Bitcoin walk and you and mommy were talking to him for a little while. She's like, yeah, yeah,
yeah. So, well, he read our book and then, you know, his wife and dad's decided to take the kids
out of school and go traveling. And they've been traveling and living in the caravan for the last,
however long. And I wanted to know what would be your first question. And she said straight away,
does he have any kids? I'm like, yes, two boys. She said, how do you, well, how's it changed them?
what do you think has happened to to the kids since uh well i'll just have to ask dads for you
so that that's at you my friend that's an unreal question i think it's well it's definitely been
eye-opening and it's definitely an experience i think they'll look back on years to come i think
in the moment they're not really aware they wouldn't be situationally aware of how it's
affected them but i can see already some some pretty dramatic changes just just in like allowing
them to explore what it is that they want to explore while giving them lots of opportunity
to go and look at new places and experience new things.
That's such a really great question.
I think like for the eldest boy, I can certainly say for the eldest boy, he loves school and
it's been good for him to come out of it and experience not going to school and travel
schooling.
And we've been fairly flexible with that.
And I'm sure we'll dig right into our sort of approach with all of that.
But for him it really resonated to him that he actually likes the structure He actually likes the school and he misses his friends He misses know he he 12 so he starting to get to that age where his friendship circle matters and he misses his
close knit mates and he misses his soccer programs and he misses some of that formal stuff that he
that he left behind but um so for him it's been really great for him to step away to realize that
home is home for him um which has been great and then for Fletch the the younger fella he's he's
nine so he's turned nine while we've been on the road and I think for him the opposite is true I
don't think we'll we'll definitely be questioning we haven't made any firm decisions on whether he'll
return to the school system when we get home so it's been chalk and cheese but it's been a really
really important step and an important journey and a lot of learnings for everybody for us to
just step back and go well what is it that resonates with them and how is it that they
actually like to learn and just gives us some options to explore when we when we do head home
mate i love to hear that because the fiat trap here is with what you're funneled into is first
of all first and foremost like uh get your head down get your grades get your certificates get
your diplomas get your job get the white picket fence have the 2.4 kids get the dog all of this
bullshit and then put your children into the best school that you can find right and that might even
mean moving house in some cases because people get you know they get drawn to this idea of keeping
up with the joneses and then it's like well if we can't afford the private school then we'll
absolutely have to have the best performing state public school that we can possibly find and you do
of that for the oldest but then you got the sunk cost fallacy of well we've done that for them
we've got to give all of our kids the same opportunities we can't put them somewhere else
now and like that is the complete opposite way to what we should be thinking about because
everyone is different and that includes your children and you but you guys stepping away
this was the big realization for us when we did it as well it's like oh shit especially when you
got twins you know like my god like you'd think they'd be similar but no they learn completely
differently totally differently so like the idea of putting them all in the same school to go
through the same program at the same speed just because their older siblings did it's nonsense
yeah i couldn't agree more with that because we've we've had some preconceived notions about
what education should be right and certainly even like pre pre bitcoiners which makes you just flip
everything on its head and make you question everything but you know we there's another
school in in cairns where we're from which we got we kept getting drawn back to it but we never put
the kids into it right and they had a very loose a much more loose approach to self-directed learning
which you know when we first went there I said this is absolutely crazy they should be at a desk
and made just made to sit down and you know wrote learning the way I had to do it you know but um
having this opportunity to explore well what is actually learning and and allowing the kids to
explore that themselves and then resonate with what actually triggers them I think that approach
again would be suited to Fletch but definitely not to Archie so you're absolutely true it's really
important i think as parents to just take a little moment to sit back and go well how does my kid like
to learn like what what because there's no point me putting fletch in that situation where he's
going to sit down on that piece of carpet listen to instruction after instruction he's smart as a
whip we went to japan last year and he was on duolingo learning japanese self-directed no one
told him he found the app himself he was sitting there working out and we went there and he worked
knew how to you know ask for water house ask for a bowl of rice you know pretty basic stuff but
he was interested in it and it's like that's amazing that's so great and we're so lucky that
we've got access to technology and stuff to to enable that now and it becomes a lot easier now
we've been reflecting on this a lot actually there's a lady I work with who homeschooled her
children but back in the day she had to do it by distance education which was still you have to
report in you have to spend eight hours via radio which would have been even harder i reckon but
like definitely this this in this day and age you can very much explore that the way that your child
resonates with and and also how that you want to go about approaching that like there's so many
resources um you know your book had had a heap of different resources um and and we can spend some
time exploring like how we navigated that with the curriculum and stuff but i think it was just like
you know so critical just to really as parents just to sit back and go well what is how does my
child like like to learn um and i think the real key takeaway for us was like as long as your kid
learns how to learn that's the real key underscoring thing because like we're all inquisitive people
like as as humans so we all love learning like you've just got to be able to afford the time
and the resources to go and explore what it is that resonates with you like there's a zero point
me learning aberdashery right so why do we why do we go and put our kids through school and make
them do stuff that doesn't resonate with them and i i get the argument that sometimes it's it's
important to give them a little bit of exposure because you don't know what you don't know
like you definitely want to be able to provide that opportunity for them to explore a lot of
different things but i mean that's so much easier there's no point if we know that the art doesn't
art doesn't tick the box for them.
Why are we making them do semesters and semesters and semesters of it?
Like just give them some exposure.
And if it's something that they like, they'll come across it themselves
or, you know, or they'll ask you, they say, hey,
I'm really interested in this and this and this.
I saw it on YouTube or I saw it on, you know, these different platforms.
So, you know, learning out alone is the key to life, right?
So I've got a question for you, very much similar to Lauren's, I suppose.
how's it changed you personally and more importantly I think people are going to want to know
you know how's it changed like the relationship with with your wife because these are big decisions
and you know I've been around families that have done this now for over 10 years and
there seems to be an overarching theme that one parent whether it be the wife or the husband
gets that bug first and just keeps like we should do this we should take the kids out we should go
and travel or we should just try you don't need to travel you let's just take the kids out for
three months and and see what happens because i feel something's wrong i don't like the way that
they're coming home and we don't get to see them we're not spending time as a family and uh what's
up with this depression or anxiety that's showing through what's the the behavioral kind of ticks
that have shown up this doesn't feel you know and you get this random information when you go along
to a parent's evening where the school is explaining the teacher is explaining or describing
a person you have no idea exists when they're your actual son or daughter you're like what the hell
like this this dissonance but it doesn't make any sense so one one parent might get that bug
and then it's, this can cause problems in a relationship.
It can.
So I was probably definitely the driver from it, right?
Coming from the Bitcoin lens and starting to question everything,
the school system and everything.
But luckily for me, my wife actually works in the school system.
So she sees it firsthand, the inefficiencies of those contact hours.
And again, like I think to a degree, we're grateful for that COVID experience,
even though it was horrible for most of humanity and we had to endure some pretty heinous government
totalitarian controls. But with it sort of that distraction, the good thing to take out of that
was the experience that we had with the homeschooling. We were forced to keep stay home with our kids
and then we all sort of switched on. I went, what? You're really telling me it takes an hour
to do all the curriculum? Why are they there for six, seven, eight, whatever the case may be,
whatever the school system you're in.
Why is it taking that long?
And, you know, Carissa, my wife, she's just like,
well, that's all the inefficiency.
School is just made up of so much line up, shut up, sit down, be quiet.
Here's the activity.
We've got to explain the activity for an hour.
Now you do the activity.
Then we've got to wait for the slowest person in the room to finish,
you know, then explain what you did.
So it's just so layered upon layer upon layer of like super inefficiencies.
And for me, like I'm an engineer, right?
I went through school, albeit as a bit of a rat bag in high school, but later on did adult learning, went back to uni, did the 20 hours of study a week while working full time, full indoctrinated into the system of this is learning.
And I come out of that basically very, very obnoxious with an ego saying, hey, if you don't have a piece of paper, I don't value your opinion.
so this whole thing has just totally flipped my traditional brain on its head to say well
no knowledge is is like i said then um learning how to learn is the knowledge if you learn how to
learn and you can apply yourself you can learn anything and a piece of paper is just you know
it doesn't account for experience it doesn't account for knowledge and it doesn't account
for application like i still think it plays a part like i certainly wouldn't be driving on a bridge
that, you know, the engineer didn't design, right?
There is some layer of need to have a governing body
for some of those qualifications.
But certainly like, you know, this whole notion of you must go to school
till year 12 and you must enroll in uni.
And it doesn't matter that you don't know what you want to do.
Here's an arts degree.
I think it's complete horseshit.
You know, if you want those skills, you can go and learn them.
Like you don't need the piece of paper.
and and you know when you start to understand a little bit deeper into that stack you you know that it basically just an opportunity for full indoctrination into you know what we starting to now realize is and not to get too political on this but you
start to see a lot of left, far left ideologies creeping into that whole system. Like I know
myself, like now thinking back and having conversations with trained engineers who've
spent years in the system, most of them are very far left leaning. I'm not even saying marginally
left-leaning it's far left-leaning and it's just when you when you look at the assignments and
everything you get from that that that whole like me looking back from my engineering degree
i can start to critically assess like how many times an agenda was woven into assessments
you know it was it was here's here's the subject matter like go and prove why it's true not
not not counteract it like do you know what i mean like it was woven in a lot in that ideology
And it's now just being able to sit back and go, well, maybe that's not the best.
And the other good thing about this was as we did enroll in the curriculum and I've been
able to like, just like, obviously there's a curriculum that the boys were doing to a
degree.
And we were a bit loose with that.
And we'll talk about that in a sec.
But I was appreciative of the fact that I could then interject and go, hey, don't take
that as gospel.
Critically think for yourself.
Yes, here's your assessment piece.
This is what you've been given to study.
but also just go at that with a questioning mindset.
Like this is not necessarily true.
If that makes sense.
So let's dig into that because a lot of people,
this is the thing where they, there are so many hurdles.
When people want to do this, there are so many hurdles you've got to clear
because you've got your monkey mind telling you in the background,
this is too risky.
We can't take the kids out of school.
you've got the social construct that's been built up around you screaming at you and it could be
your parents your aunties your uncles your nearest your dearest friends your neighbors
what are you doing you can't take them out of school they'll never get a job they'll never be
able to socialize you know all of this nonsense that that people throw at you when you start
sharing your big ideas with uh with people around you uh and then the the other one is well i'm not
who am I I'm not smart enough to teach my children I don't have a teaching degree I don't
you know I can't even remember like long division you know I can't teach them math I can't teach
them science and that self-doubt that crippling monkey mind of yours and then you start
procrastinating on it and it's just far easier just to you know what here's your packed lunch
there's your books lad on the bus see you later you know outsourcing that responsibility because
i'm sure you've many of us have been accused of being irresponsible parents when we do this with
our kids whereas the opposite is true because responsibility is purely on you now like 100
like this is self-sovereign stuff that we're talking about you are not outsourcing this
but what like people then get like but what's the structure how do you do like uh the nine to five
school day you know you i don't have time for all of that uh and because they're still stuck in their
own minds from their own you know they're they're projecting their own upbringing on to like a
situation that has nothing nothing you can compare to what you're about to do can't be compared to
what you've done in the past you go to a d-school d-program and uh so how did you guys manage that
and you know what what were the big epiphanies yeah well i think we're really lucky in this day
and age that there's so many different approaches so you know the the number one thing you can do
is just start researching for yourself and work out what resonates with you as a parent as to how
you're going to go about it so you know there's a whole heap of different methodologies whether you
have school of the air, you know, or you do unschooling, like there's both ends of that
spectrum when you go to approach this. Like for us, you know, as I said, I'm an engineer,
so I can't switch off my science brain. But what was important to us is that we, you know,
all we really cared about is the foundational stuff. So I think it's still important. And this
is, again, for me, not telling anybody how to live their lives and raise their children. But for me,
it was important for me that I maintained English and math because I think they are pretty
foundational to being able to learn how to learn. So that will set you up for success. You can't go
into year 10 algebra if that's what resonates with you, not having some of that basic fundamental
math in my humble opinion. And what was really, really instructive and I'm really grateful for
for us was like my eldest boy, Archer, he's quite a good student like in the traditional school
system, never had any issues, like certainly not straight A's, but never consistently learns,
consistently achieves A's and B's. And I actually found some pretty concerning holes in his math
game that I would never have known because you get your report card at the end of each term
and you look at it and say, you're doing great, mate. And then you go and sit down with the
teacher twice a year and they say, he's just wonderful. And so you don't really, as a parent,
you're disconnected from their learning journey.
You're just like putting full trust in their system that they're going and
ticking all the boxes and that they're going to come out with the education
they need. So like for us, it was great.
Cause I could sit down and go, Hey mate,
I just noticed that you didn't actually understand fully the relationship
between like fractions and decimals and percentages.
Like that was kind of not known to him.
And the other really alarming thing for me was that I don't know if it's just
his school or the Australian curriculum,
but they don't learn their times tables and that anymore.
So I'm like, well, that's a little bit concerning to me as well.
But so we enrolled in the curriculum.
That was how we decided to approach it.
Because like you said, we're looking at this going, huh, do we really want the responsibility
of going and resourcing and collecting all this data to go and build lesson plans and
all that sort of stuff?
So no, the answer to us was no.
And there was a, we're really lucky in Australia.
There's a really good company called UKA, E-U-K-A, that provide a curriculum based on
the Australian curriculum and they specialize in travel schooling. So very affordable too. It was,
I think, less than 500 Aussie dollars for both kids for the whole year's curriculum. And that
was all their activities that matches the Australian curriculum. But then it's up to you,
you're the parent, self-directed learning and education. It's up to us then to go and see,
well, what do you need to do out of that? So here's all these resources. And then we pretty
much like i said we focus mainly on english and math to make sure that they're getting that
foundational stuff right to set them up for success whatever they want to do in the future
but certainly everything else we were taking or leaving as we sort of saw fit like what have they
got down for science this week oh that's interesting maybe we could do that home experiment but
otherwise hey you know what we're going to go to the hobart science center and we spent you know
the full day in the science center and i've never seen my kids like i'm an electrician right so i'm
always like trying to push them into electricity you know it's interesting and they've always been
yeah it's not not cool dad not cool dad but we went to this science center where they had lots
of hands on you know generating electricity by hand and all that and they just loved it they
couldn't get enough of it so you know and they're the experiences you don't get as a parent when
you're up slaving away 60 hours a week at the job both mum and dad you're totally disconnected from
their learning and a report card and two hours sitting down with the teacher a year just doesn't
cut the mustard in terms of well what do they actually like what do they enjoy learning and how
do they like learning and how can i help them like in in terms of the school and you know when your
kids are sitting there achieving and ticking the boxes like you know like i said with archer like
we would never have known had we not had this opportunity to sit down and a lot of the learning
was self-directed so again wasn't hands-on for us we were like the resources were there but we
just sort of kept abreast of what are you learning now mate oh yeah okay oh you're struggling with
that well actually here's a way that i learned how to do it maybe you'd like to you know just try
that way and and just working through it with them and it's like it's just a powerful powerful
experience to be able to do that and i think like that connection is going to be so much stronger
moving forward as he does enter into high school um we we learned how to learn together like and
learn how to work through the problems together and now we've built a trust system where i know
dad knows this math stuff i know i can go and ask him and and we were able to because it was a little
bit frustrating at first like i'm like mate i can't believe you can't get you're not getting
this and then had to really switch this off and go okay well he hasn't learned it he hasn't learned
the way i learned it so i really needed to strip back remove my ego from everything um remove my
shock and awe really at discovering some of the the holes and just going well it's it's about
helping you i can be angry at the system i can be angry that you've missed all this but it's not
your fault like i can't obviously take it out on you but how do i help you now learn how do i help
you bridge those gaps and it's built a real sense of trust now that he knows he can come to dad
because you know dad knows this stuff yeah do you have a light in your car there or i do sorry yeah
it's um i'm not going to drain your leisure battery am i i am sitting in the car because the um
the caravan is a caravan park that we're staying in it's a little bit noisy so
right yeah can you see me again so yeah yeah that's better yeah loads to dig into there mate
um it's very interesting when you i remember this vividly uh when because it when when they're
trying to do something they're trying to learn something and they come to you because you know
you're the adult in the room it's like i can't work this out and you look at it and the first
thing you think is oh you know you're taken back to the classroom you you're your 11 year old self
again 12 year old self again and you're sitting there and you're like oh my god i can't remember
how to do this and the urge is um fear because you you don want to look as though you don understand and you want to be able to but getting over that was for me a huge thing uh i remember doing it with caitlin when she was
probably eight nine or ten i can't remember and we come up against some um it's either long
multiplication or division or fractions i can't remember but it's something i really needed to
freaking brush up on and it's like right okay well let's sit down and just try and solve this
together or order of operations whatever it was uh and then we found khan academy we watched a few
sal khan videos and then we found something else and we found some youtube stuff and we're just
working through it and then uh then i then you know it all suddenly i remembered and it clicked
and i showed her how to do it and she's no no i don't get it and you know you're right you're like
what we just spent 45 minutes like how do you not get it and you have to switch that off and realize
all right there's more than one way to get to the end of this equation and the way we just did
didn't resonate so we've got to go back and find a different way and that's that's when it all
suddenly started clicking for me especially with the twins even now today when they sit down and
do math like that they'll go off in completely different directions but get to the same answer
and you're like wow if there's 30 kids in a classroom they're taught one way
there is no other way you're not allowed the other way because that the way that the system works and
the way that the teacher's got to mark it all and the way that you've got to show you're working
it's got to be the way it's been taught and that's the way that you score the points and that's the
way that you get your grade and it makes a complete mockery of math really it's just ridiculous
uh but you're right um controlling your emotions realizing that you are now uh
that that building that trust because when they see you learning alongside them at the same time
it breaks down that kind of you're my teacher like uh stigma yeah that's right you become more
like a peer right you're like let's work through it together like i can't remember this it's been
20 years since I've done this or whatever the case may be.
So like working through it together, it's a powerful experience.
Like, you know, working through it and like, even when you flip the script,
right. And they said, no dad, it's this way. And you go, ah,
you just taught me something. Right. It's, it's, it's a powerful experience.
It's amazing. You can describe and you can understand, but you're like,
until you actually do it, like it's different. Right.
Yeah. It's, that's,
that's the beauty that you miss when you just farm them.
And like you said, it might be coming home with straight A's,
but what's been stolen?
It's really shocking.
So again,
questions that people listening might be thinking,
well,
yeah,
it sounds great,
Daz,
but you know,
I am the 60 hour a week guy and so is my wife and we just don't have the
time and we don't have the money and this is just a pipe dream.
So yeah,
nice rip guys,
but I'm going to stop it here and,
you know,
move on with life.
Yeah.
And I'm sure you were in that position as well at some stage.
Like, you know, when you first started looking into this,
that was probably the biggest question on most people's mind,
always, is money, is finances.
Yeah.
Well, number one, you've got to find Bitcoin, right?
So that's the overarching rule.
Because even like, admittedly, we didn't necessarily fund with Bitcoin.
And I'm happy to talk about my personal situation with this.
But I had, we have long service leave in Australia.
So it's kind of like, you know, you work somewhere for 10 years and you get quite a decent little chunk off.
And then I explored using that at half pay.
So, but I needed to have a buffer.
So if I didn't have Bitcoin in my life, it would, it would like, even going back five years, I'd never even would have thought that this is even, this would have been a complete pipe dream.
I would have thought, you know, I could probably do that for a stretch of maybe, you know, a month or two at most.
But having Bitcoin as your savings vehicle, right, gives you optionality.
Allowed me to sit back and pause and say, well, you know what?
We're starting to build a meaningful nest egg for our little family now.
Certainly not ready to walk away from fiat life completely, but it allows you to option.
It just gives you options to go and explore.
Well, maybe I can go and rent the house out.
So that's number one, right, is people think about how long am I going to go for?
If you're lucky enough to have a caravan and stuff like somewhere to domicile and like your book, you know, like using those sort of things like house swapping and doing that sort of thing.
If you can get income from your principal place of residence, if you've still got a house and a mortgage at home, that's number one.
It's like perfect.
That just takes care of itself.
So for us, that was the situation.
We rented that out for a full year.
And it was great in a way because it actually made us commit to a full year.
It's like, well, the house is gone.
So, you know, now do we do it for six months?
Probably not worth it, right?
Going for six months and renting the house out for six months.
So it's a full year.
That's a great, great stretch.
So how now are we going to navigate that in terms of you still got to eat, right?
You still got fiat bills.
The bills don't stop coming in.
um you know there's many different ways to to approach even what it is we're doing so we've
opted in for staying at caravan parks most of the time because we like the power the air conditioning
the heating we've needed the heating because um we've been freezing while we're doing our little
trip but um there's certainly some trade-offs you can make for going off grid free camping
all that sort of stuff and like number one is you got you got to hustle man so you know i um i
admittedly didn't have to do this as much but I've got the guitar the PA system in the caravan
because my my goal was to go and swap my time and energy for for to stay I'd go and do some gigs at
a caravan park and say hey let us stay for a couple of days and I'll do a gig on a Saturday
night like admittedly I didn't get to do that as much um there's a couple of reasons for that but
basically we tried not to book too much in advance you know just like fly off the skin of our pants
which meant when you're doing gigs around the place,
it does mean that you've got to plan ahead.
So we try not to do that,
which is the main reason why I didn't actually pick up too many gigs on the
road.
But like,
you've got to,
there's many ways to skin the cat.
If money is an issue and you don't have that nest egg and that buffer in the
bank account to go and fund your lifestyle while you're going around,
then,
you know,
you can,
you can pick up jobs everywhere.
Like you can go fruit picking.
You can,
you know,
if you're skilled,
like an electrician,
right.
you can go and do some, put your hand up and go skip ahead.
If you're going to be somewhere for a month,
you can go and go on the local Facebook groups and say, Hey,
I'm a skilled electrician.
Is there a contractor in here who needs a set of hands for a month?
You know, you can go and get a job at a pub, pouring beers.
You can be the dish pig in the back of the kitchen.
You can do it.
You've just got to be open-minded enough to go, well, okay, that's what,
that's what I, that's how I'm going to live.
That's how I'm going to fund my lifestyle.
Like it's such a barrier.
And again, like we're victims of the fiat mind trap, right?
It's like, you must have savings.
You must keep this income coming in at a certain level for the rest of your life.
You know, but if you're open-minded to it, there are ways that you can navigate that and make it work for you.
100%, mate.
And we did a little bit of, it's called woofing, or we found a place called, a site called HelpX.
I'm not sure if that's even around anymore.
But where we would, Claire and I would exchange our time in the morning for food and shelter.
And some places would be painting walls or other places would be milking cows, you know, staying on farms, doing, you know, just menial tasks, basically, but which farmers needed help with.
And then we, yeah, we had shelter, like perfectly good shelter and food.
And then we had all afternoon to go and explore the local area.
but what better way to explore the local area than with, you know,
the inside information from the locals, right? Yeah.
Don't go there because that's just like a tourist trap,
but you want to get off the beaten road and go here and go here and then go
to this. This is the best X, Y, Z in the area.
This is the best pub, cafe, restaurant, whatever. Yeah.
There's a hundred different ways you can do it. And people.
What a great experience too. Like you, you would never necessarily say, Hey,
I got the opportunity to milk cows in the morning.
Like if you weren't open-minded to going and doing it and like, Hey,
we need, we need food and we need board and we need shelter.
And maybe I'll just go and chip in. And like, there's such a,
like in Australia in particular,
such a skills shortage everywhere.
Like people are just screaming out for people who will work.
Like everyone's, you know,
this new generation you could argue is getting so entitled that, you know,
it's an issue everywhere you go. It's like, we just want,
we just want people who want to work.
so if you're open to anything that can bring a little bit of fear in just so you can you know
get the loaf of bread and and the fillet steak then you know you'll find it if you want to look
so we talk about time a lot in bitcoin das you you've turned your time upside down the last seven
months you you've spent as much time as you possibly could with your nearest and dearest
right your wife your two boys and you've been able to pick and choose where you go and spend
your time i'm sure you've locked in with uh some bitcoiners on the road may maybe even hit a few
meetups whatever else uh what's that like to be in the driver's seat of your time it's been a game
changer really and like i have admittedly returned to some fiat work right now right and it was a
only three weeks ago so went back to the fiat job albeit um flexible so we're still on the road still
living out of the caravan but I'm going back and doing just some four days a week just sort of
chipping away just to get again but that's how we've chosen to put a little bit of fiat back in
the bank account and then we'll we'll be reassessing but like it's it's really allowed me to step back
and go well that's what having time and that's why we bitcoin is to buy our time store our energy and
our time in something that's not going to be printed out of thin air and degraded and getting a little taste of that is like that's
now our lifestyle. So, you know, it's allowed us again to critically assess what life looks back,
looks like when we do go home, because it is the intent around mid-December, we're going to go
home. Won't be quite a full 12 months on the road. It'll be about 11 or 10 or 11. But we've been able
to sit back and go, right, well, this is now what it looks like for us. I don't need to work the 10
day fortnight. I'm going to work an eight day fortnight because I value the time more than I
value the fear. And again, I wouldn't have been able to do that without Bitcoin. Having,
again, being able to build a nest egg that I'm comfortable with,
knowing as well that that's going to continue to grow
at a pretty significant compound annual growth rate, right?
And that's the intent.
And also now looking at Carissa, like Carissa did work in the school system.
We'll probably retire her now.
Like she will be there for the kids now.
So probably, you know, again, navigating whether we're going to continue
to homeschool, Fletch, which we think we might,
at least for another six months or a year into the next year.
But, you know, having a taste of that lifestyle
of being able to do whatever you want
and spend time with your family,
that's what we want.
That's why we're here.
And most people, like we've been traveling around a lot
and there's a lot of retirees.
So caravanning is a very popular pastime in Australia
for young families and especially retirees.
And every single retiree you meet in these caravan parks
that you pull up next to and you're just having a drink
and having a chat in the afternoon,
every single one of them was like, wow,
I wish we were able to do that when we were able to do that
while your kids are that young.
Because now, and I don't want to certainly discourage
or talk to anyone in that retirement,
but now we're too old to enjoy it.
It was the general theme of, yeah, we're travelling around,
we're taking this van but we can't do that big hike anymore because our knees are buggered you
know we gave 65 years of our best years to fiat and we're now finally allowed the government's
allowing us to retire and get access to our savings um and we're too old to enjoy it so you
know every single one of them has looked at us and just said good on you you know it's been very
much the opposite experience to like oh oh that's a bit weird like pulling your kids out of school
like it's way more socially acceptable now when most people celebrate it it's it's an it's amazing
thing to experience and have a chat to those people and get that encouragement as you're going
along going yeah we are doing the best thing for our kids like you know and what i said to carissa
as well is like even if this puts us back a few years to retirement like i'm way rather bring that
time forward now where it matters when these kids are young and actually want to hang out with this
because i'm sure you're experiencing already but as they get teenagers dad's not cool anymore like
I don't want to be spending as much time.
So we're so grateful that we've been able to bring that forward.
And if it means I have to work an extra year or two,
I'll give the government my shitty years when I'm 65.
If it comes down to that, I don't think it will because, you know,
we Bitcoin and I think that retirement's a lot sooner than anyone
anticipates who's been holding it for a while.
That was one of the biggest epiphanies that happened to me when we,
we would have probably been a couple of months in and still not realizing
that we could have pushed it as far as we did i mean almost two and a half years in the end
that we were just like fully traveling uh and it suddenly like the epiphany dropped and it was so
hard it you know it was like hang on a second i've dedicated at that point i dedicated 18 years
in a desk job like uh to to somebody else and living in somebody else's dream and
And, you know, this might only be this project as it is, might be 10 to 15 years, i.e. bringing
up your children.
Call that a project, if you will.
It's like, you know, apply your fiat brain to it.
So, yeah, this is a project that's going to last 10 to 15.
We've got to get it done.
Got to do it right.
Got to deliver.
Like, you know, fuck me.
What's more important than that?
Like, you know, that's it.
Like, that's what we are here to do.
And how old will I be then?
50 55 i can walk back into a boardroom if i want you know i could get a job absolutely
i could do a 10 to 15 year project for someone else again if that like that's what needs to be
done but like it's i want this time and i still regret you know did the kids when we took them
out of school and started living differently more intentionally they were eight six and two three
year old twins so i caught the quarter twins like at the you know the bottom right but the the eight
years that caitlin had been found out to the um even the private schools or the state schools
and me tied to a desk and seeing her a day and a half at the weekend one or two nights a week
oh man i can never get that back like that's gone and that even today that rankles me uh and um
You know, I can't imagine like you, we had the same experience.
You'd meet the retirees and they'd just be sitting there having that like afternoon drinks or a perro, just watching the kids, watching us.
Like, you know, what are you doing here on a Wednesday at three in the afternoon?
Like, why aren't the kids at school?
And you get into a chat with them and they're like, oh, my God, you guys, just hold on to them as long as you can.
And it's because they don't even get to see their grandkids now.
Right.
the way society's set up we we've got mothers now giving over ownership of babies to daycare
weeks like as young as two or three months because they've got to get back to work
and then you've got mothers maybe they've managed to like get them to five but now you've got to
walk them to the school gates at the age of five and give them up at the gate and you know they're
gone for the next 15 years there's someone else's and you've got that age group you know
five to 20 locked in the classroom you've got the age group of 20 to 70 locked in a cubicle
and then you've got the age group of 70 to 85 locked in an old people's home or like wandering
around the high street with that's devoid of life none of the parks are alive because all the kids
are at school like it's it's a sad world out there and it it makes no sense but this is this is all by
design that this is the this is the darkest part of it all and it's up to us to to break that and
you to be able to stand up and say no this is my family this is these are my kids i get to decide
like homeschooling completely illegal in many countries in europe like wake up crazy wake up
There's a reason.
There's a reason they want your children.
It's wild.
Yeah, like, and no one sort of writes,
I'll give a plug to our mutual friend,
Seb Bunny, with that Hidden Cost of Money book
he's written because he's peeled back
all the layers of what's wrong with society
and it comes down to the money, right?
And like you say, it's by design to create a system
where you no longer respect the parent-child bond.
The child doesn't respect the parent.
They're building peer relationships
and relationships with people who don't care about them
to the level that the parents do, right?
So you drop your kid off.
You've worked.
You spent that six years getting that degree.
So by hook or by crook, I'm going back to my career, you know,
and we'll put the kids in school, and then they're in school,
and then they're in after school care and we'll pick them up and we're tired and we're cranky and
we just want to fix dinner get them to sport if we can and you're spending about what 40 minutes
of quality time with your children and you're too tired and cranky to care and that's the real
insidious thing like and when people step back and like critically assess what is my life like
am i actually spending quality time or are we just existing together you know and that's what
it comes down to and and that's where you know and that's not without its challenges certainly like
Because me personally, my journey these last few years is I have done the Fiat hustle,
tried to get as much income as I could.
I mean, we make sacrifices.
I worked away from home a lot.
I worked a lot of overtime.
But it meant that Carissa could stay home more and be there for the kids.
So it was a trade-off we were happy to make.
However, I missed a lot of that attachment.
They're very much stronger with their mum, closer to their mum than they are with their dad.
and again it's only from being able to step outside step back into that system and and be
able to assess that and it was it wasn't all sunshine and roses in this caravan like we're
in a tin can we've gone from dad works away quite a lot to the last couple years being home a fair
bit more we're still working away every now and then to like dad's here now 24 7 in this tin can
it was a bit of a shock to the system this is this i wanted to get to this point it written down here van life and because I wanted to dig into that because fuck man I know exactly what you talking about Like when we did it I pulled off the Band
I was Mr. Work, like from 6.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m.,
be gone two or three nights a week on corporate freaking events.
And, you know, all this bullshit, right?
To 24-7 dad.
But more importantly, 24-7 husband.
who's now who's now god forbid making parenting decisions on the fucking fly
just dropping bombs all over the place like uh that's me man that was me so you've got that in
close quarters like at least we were in a house like you know where i could uh man there were some
times there there was there was some tough tough times where i would just i'd have to leave i'd have
to go for a long long walk because i wasn't used to having the four kids around and i wasn't used
to them bickering and bickering and bickering about the most pointless of shit and i wasn't
used to like me turning around and start making a decision and then being faced that no that's not
how we do it what do you mean it's like what like whatever like just let them do no no no no like
that's not the routine so how are you managing that because it is it's definitely been an
adjustment because like you say like you know and i get the argument too like carissa would go say
to me like how dare you come in and disrupt the thing that i've been taking care of for the last
12 years you just come on in and and make all the decisions and i'm like respect my authority
you know it's like well no mate you're gonna have to take eat a bit of humble pie here and take a
bit of a back seat and it was, it was a bit confronting. You know, certainly the D word
was dropped and threatened quite a few times, whether they were tongue in cheek or half
serious, but you know, you've got to sit back and you go, righto, well, sometimes you are
a cranky asshole. So, you know, and again, like what you said, for me, it was the closed
quarters and the noise. Cause I think I'm fully on the spectrum and I think most early
because people with the Bitcoin are somewhat on the spectrum
and I am very prone to oversaturation of stimulus
and being in the tin can was definitely,
and the kids are the same.
And I think everyone's to a degree, right?
But definitely two boys get in their hypo cycle
where they're, and they're just having fun, man.
They're just kids.
They're carrying on, they're being noisy
and we're in a caravan park.
I'm like, she's going to wake the neighbours up
and we've got to respect everybody and rah, rah, rah.
and then they just get louder and louder and louder
and then dad just explodes.
So you've got to remove yourself from the situation.
And it's probably the most important thing
is you're still a human.
You're still a person with feelings and wants and needs
and your own thoughts and you need your own space.
Sometimes hard to achieve when you're driving for three hours,
setting up the caravan and getting it all going again
and three days later you're doing it again.
But like it's just important to respect everyone's space,
respect everyone's time.
and if you need that time out, just, okay, just go and have it.
And it's been a balance, but, I mean, when you weigh that up to,
it's a very small negative in a world full of positives
in terms of everything else we've been speaking about.
Like, you just, and again, you just got to suck it up, man, and go, okay,
maybe you are the cause here.
Maybe your input's not needed right now,
or maybe you've taken the wrong approach,
or maybe you have been cranky and eat some humble pie.
say the sorries, go and buy some ice creams and try and bribe your way back
into the good books, you know?
Yeah.
And again, it shows you how much the fiat system takes away from you
because like the family unit.
And again, yeah, huge respect to Seb and his book.
And I remember when we did a podcast together,
we dug into Gabor Marte's work
like Hold On To Your Kids
which I think is essential reading
for parents to understand
and actually shout out to Rob Brindad
mutual friend of ours as well
he's just dropped his new book called Glitch
and a lot of his work is centered around
trauma that you suffer as a child
and whether we know it or not
we are through our actions as parents are passing some traumatic experiences down to our kids like
taking them out of school for example like you know putting them in was traumatic enough like
that that's the pure trauma there but then taking them out and yanking them away from their friends
and whatever else that's a whole different set of trauma but then what what follows that with your
your year in van life and whatever else that will go with them for the rest of their life and
i'm not saying it's going to undo everything but and to your point you know in your own mind
you've got your own monkey mind and it's going to be playing havoc with you and uh you're
essentially two personalities right but then you've got to realize everybody else around you is
there's not there's not four of you living in that tin can there's eight right
and the dog and the dog
and it's about realizing you know who who's shown up that morning and uh we can be as
intentional and meditate and but still it's so difficult uh and uh if if nobody's read
the hidden cost of money by seb uh please do i was lucky enough humbled enough to be asked to
write the foreword for that and i loved reading it and uh yeah rob's new book is out glitch or
his other book is decentralized mind as well which uh which are great i've read decentralized
mind i didn't realize he brought a new one out so i'll be ordering that one for sure because
decentralized mind was another great book and he does he does great work he's a great thought
leader uh in and around you know digging into that that trauma that decentralized mind dug into a lot
of that like and i'm i'm definitely a product of that right and you can sit back and go well
a lot of what I express is a direct mirror image to how my father treated me right now I didn't
like it when I was a kid but I didn't realize the slipping into those those habits and I'm not saying
he was a bad dad he was a terrific dad but um was he perfect no no one is but it's sometimes
important to go well he never used to handle that situation as best as he possibly could and and
and I'm mirroring that like and I'm walking in his own shoes and and that's the other thing I
think like um for me i often reflect on i want my children to be better than me so how i'm showing
up right now they will carry with them and that affects me more probably than anything and and
being true to yourself going well you know i don't you know i can have anger issues i can be an angry
dad and i don't like it i don't like that side of me and i don't want them growing up being angry
dads you know so it's just important to be a little bit open to yourself and reflect on how
it is that you're showing up because it will impart on them it's inevitable yeah for sure mate and
that's what rob talks about you know running the operating system that's been passed down through
the generations and how do you break that how do you how do you that's why i love his new book
glitch i'm halfway through it it's like you know it's like the spinny beach ball of death you know
you get on the operating system you can't get past it's like how do you force quit that and uh
he's his analogy is perfect and and that's his work and that's what he does so does you might
have already experienced this kind of creeping back into the the fiat realm but uh how do you
think about when you go back you guys are going to be so different everything else is just the same
mate everyone else is just the same they're just tickety-boo you'll get back and you'll you know
reconnect with old friends and they'll they'll be in exactly the same place they were before
mate like they can't they'll see you guys in like oh shit years gone by that that that felt like
three weeks they'll be the same they'll think the same they'll be doing the same and you guys
are coming back completely different people with a completely different mindset having seen
so many different you know things and so many different ways in which each of you have grown
uh did you see did you feel that already going back into already so i'm gonna be in back at the
fiat job three weeks within the first day realizing nothing had changed like just i've been gone a
full eight months for that stage and looking around going there is absolutely nothing that's
changed here You know sure a lot happens but by the same token it like I could have left last week in terms of the work the conversations the know and it and it is hard to go back into that groove and pretend that you haven changed and not that
necessarily that you need to but um you know a lot of people are looking at how did you do that
how like you know those questions are starting to ask because everyone wants it
everyone looks around and observes it and goes wow that's such a great experience i want
that for me um and it's a great opportunity to start you know well you know you need to feather
your nest first from the from the get-go so you need to change your denominator you need to
need to change what you're valuing your life in um because it ain't fiat and fiat's not going to
get you there so um i think it's a great you know orange pilling moment for for people to
open that question up because again man this wouldn't have been possible if i wasn't a bitcoin
If I, you know, it wasn't a Bitcoin from a start and then wasn't then open to exploring, well, if the money's fucked, how has everything else been manipulated?
And I wouldn't have come across your book, certainly, and it wouldn't have, you know, it's all a journey, man.
It's all part of what I needed to go through to experience.
And coming back, it is going to be hard to try and assimilate back in.
But by the same token, we would have changed the degree in which we navigate all that ourselves, right?
So again, just mention that we probably won't get Carissa to go back to the fiat life.
She will probably stay outside that system for as long as we can affect that.
And that's just a conscious decision we've made.
Like beforehand, she's like, no, no, I need to work.
I need to contribute.
I need to do all this sort of stuff.
It's like, do you?
if we don't have to, you know, buy the $4.2 million mansion, you know,
or we don't have to buy the $3.2 million butter box,
like, because that's how ridiculously Australian property market's going at the moment.
Like, you know, do you really?
Like, what is more important to us?
It's like being there for the kids,
giving them all the experience that they can possibly get,
and we'll make some of those trade-offs.
And again, only possible now because we've been able to opt out of the system.
yes how do you feel because when the kids when the kids reconnect with their friends as well
you'll see i saw it uh it's tough for them as well um because they are just they they mature so much
being around you being around other adults being around kids of all ages right it doesn't matter
if they're older, they're younger, meeting strangers.
I mean, that's a huge, huge life lesson,
a huge life skill,
being able to talk to absolutely anyone of any age
and then being just exposed
to that one same age group again.
It's a very, very difficult adjustment to make.
So yeah, just word to the warning for those that are,
you know, again, it's not all a bed of roses, right?
Life isn't.
The future is unknown.
We're just trying to navigate these stormy waters, right,
best we can.
So, yeah, I mean, have we covered everything there?
I guess the only other thing I would say to the,
just to that notion is certainly a couple of different approaches
to the travel, right, is when we did the big lap,
we were on the go.
so I think the kids to a degree did miss out on some of the connections that you would make if
you were in somewhere for a month or two which um now we're starting to experience on the back end
of this because we're still traveling but now we've got a bit of a home base we're going to be
staying on the Sunshine Coast for about four months um and now we're starting to see more of
those connections because they're you know spending a longer period of time but when we were travel
travel travel it was basically three days kind of maximum any one spot and we were go go go go
so they missed out on developing some of those other relationships outside of because i remember
you fondly speaking about that notion of your kid and your kids are a testament to this right
meeting them in madera was amazing and they can hold a conversation with you and you think you're
speaking to another adult you do not think you're speaking to your typical you know teenage kid um
they hold conversation extremely well they're intelligent they are interested in what you have
to say they ask intelligent questions it was an amazing experience to go how come other kids aren't
like this you know like how come the you know the the other kids you meet friends of children are
your friends and stuff like that they're um you know head down in gaming machines and don't have
those those social skills and and just to that point too like people who worry about that social
aspect of that homeschooling i mean you know i don't like facebook but there are some phenomenal
facebook groups now because it's quite common um homeschooling unschooling um all these approaches
and and the really cool thing is that like in the sunshine coast where we are now um there's a lot
of these homeschool groups that get access to really cool things because it's cheap and it's
off season so right now it's school holidays right but next week all the kids go back to school
and then all of a sudden all of the activities that are normally chock-a-blocks on the weekends
like the indoor rock climbing and all that they actually do discounted rates for homeschooling
kids because it's a tuesday morning like there's no one else in doing the indoor rock climbing we
may as well let these 20 odd random kids come in and we'll charge them 10 bucks a head the other
cool thing here which i can't wait for the kids to experience is um one of these little dudes in
in Sunshine Coast runs his own fishing business.
So one of the homeschool things is he goes and he shows them
how to tie their hooks, bait their hooks, and my kids love fishing.
So, you know, we can't wait for this to return next week
because they're going to go straight there.
I think he charges, again, that $10.
He provides all the bait, fishing rod if you don't have one,
or a hand reel, and he goes and takes all these kids fishing.
I just think it's absolutely magic.
How old is that kid?
I think he's 12 or something like that.
I love it.
That's so cool.
And he's hustling, man.
And he's learning entrepreneurship.
He's learning profit loss.
Like, how much does my bait cost?
How much do I have to charge per head if I only have eight kids?
You know, he's working all this stuff out.
Like, I just think it's absolutely phenomenal.
And, like, he's going to be balling when he's an adult, man.
He's just going to be – he's going to get it, right?
Well, let's – hopefully we'll get him accepting Bitcoin as well, Daz.
I'm sure you're working on that.
I'll try and orange pill him for sure.
So have you managed to connect with any Bitcoiners whilst you've been on the road?
Is it going to be easier now you're in the Sunshine Coast,
plug into the local plebs?
Yeah, definitely.
I actually promised.
I've given the Bitcoin community a lot of time over the last couple of years.
So one of the things that I promised was to be a bit more present
and not be distracted by the conferences and all that sort of stuff,
which was nice.
And it was a nice break for me too.
And even having a break from listening to 40,000 podcasts a week,
you know, like it's been a nice break.
I have tried to, you know, because my wife,
I wouldn't call her a Bitcoiner.
She definitely likes what Bitcoin's done for us
and she appreciates what it's done, but she's not a Bitcoiner.
And I've tried, you know, across the Nullarbor Plain,
which is like three days worth of driving of nothingness.
I tried the sailor approach, the Jack Mallers approach.
I've tried just about every podcast there are to try and find the one that,
but I'm still, I haven't given up.
She hasn't really resonated with any one person yet.
But actually, Princey, I need to go back through your catalogue
and dig up some of those original chats with the homeschooling mobs.
But she loves it.
She loves the homeschooling.
She loves the lifestyle.
She does miss home.
She misses a mum.
so she misses the the the things that home affords but you know same with her she we're looking back
at this trip even now even the last you know eight months we've been on the road looking back with
already fond memories like what we did in March seems like a lifetime ago and we've packed so much
in and even now we're reflecting back going huh we'll go home in December but how long is it going
to last where's the next place we're going to go and um you know again like wouldn't be able to do
it if we didn't have the optionality that Bitcoin's provided us, right? To say, well, okay, maybe now
I can take three months off leave without pay. Does that, you know, obviously affects the bottom
line, but does it materially impact us or is that the way that we want to allocate our time and
resources right now to live in the moment now? And again, like you said, I'll go back to the
boardroom in 55, you know, and give them my time when I've got more time because the time now with
the kids is absolutely precious so i'd rather rather spend it now love it mate well let's wrap
it up uh i mean i've already asked you this question probably three times before but
if you had one last orange pill left to give to somebody who would you give it to and why
um yeah look i was actually thinking about this today and i was i was trying to think of um
of some good good examples that were topical but really like what really important i think for us in Australia right now is we do not have a decent politician who understands Bitcoin
I had some hope.
There was some freedom-loving,
freedom-focused politicians
that sort of stood up through that COVID.
And one who shall remain nameless
because he's not even worth the breath
is he's just too proud to get it right.
I would probably give it
to one of these freedom-loving politicians
because it's not like we need politicians for Bitcoin,
but it definitely helps if we have some sensibility
in people who are making the decisions around Money Printer.
If you've got any influence over that,
we need to really start integrating.
And the Australian Bitcoin industry body,
they do a great job of keep trying to put it on the political table,
but we still don't have the Senator Lummis in Australia
who's even curious about it.
Like we had a guy a few years ago,
was like crypto focus but he got co-opted by the crypto groups right and lost his lost his sort of
way we had some hope for him um but yeah there's no one who gets it man there's no one who who's
critically going because that's the that's the the pill you need right to start questioning
everything else like and half the time they get the they get the notion they get the idea that
hey there's some pretty insidious groups and organizations who are controlling for pretty
perverse incentives are in here maybe i should start looking at the money you know and i'm
surprised it hasn't happened yet but um if if i could orange pill somebody it'd be a couple of
those guys anyway excellent mate well thanks for coming back on and thanks for uh you know updating
us with uh with all your personal details and how you did it and why you did it and hopefully will
inspire some others uh you wrote your book as well be is for bitcoin you co-wrote that with seb
So we should plug that.
I'll put that link in the show notes.
Bitcoin Advisor, are you still doing that as well?
Yeah, absolutely.
I still don't work for Bitcoin Advisor.
So helping people with their inheritance planning
and collaborative custody approach to Bitcoin.
So if that worries you, keeps you up at night,
then yeah, by all means, reach out and we can have a chat
and see if it suits your approach to how you manage your Bitcoin.
So yeah, busy, getting busier and busier.
I think there's a lot of people encouraging to see,
like new people to Bitcoin, right?
It's a really good approach for somebody
who's not quite ready to do the full custody
and hold your keys and your world is your destiny.
So we're really starting to see some encouragement there
as well as the self-managed super fund space.
So in Australia, we're really lucky.
We can actually control how our forced savings are allocated
and we can hold it in self-custody.
So we're starting to see a lot of people
starting to wake up to the fact,
hey, do I really want this other organisation
dipping their hand into my four savings
and not allocating it to what resonates with me.
So that's a great way of, you know,
increasing your stack is through a self-managed super fund.
You can basically, you know,
instantly step change your complete stack size
by getting some allocation,
which is, yeah, it's really, really encouraging to see.
So if that interests you and you want to reach out,
by all means, appreciate it, love to have a chat.
Excellent.
Thanks for coming on, Daz.
Take care, mate.
Appreciate you, man.
Have a good evening.
Yeah, great to see you again.
you too buddy
So if this interview has piqued your interest, get over to the link in the show notes to my book.
It's called Choose Life.
It's on Consensus Network.
So bitcoinbook.shop forward slash bitten.
If you want to support a Bitcoin business, you can buy it via the Lightning Network with Bitcoin over there.
If not, it's available on Amazon.
So whatever is easiest for you.
Or come and find me at a conference.
I usually take a bunch and sign them and people can buy them and come and find me and I happily sign it.
So it's always great to meet people that...
Just this weekend in BitFest in Manchester, one of the artists came up to me and said that it was my book that unlocked...
He had wanted to take his kid out of school, him and his wife have an 11-year-old.
He was really desperate to get them out of the system.
because he's separated money from state,
wants to separate education from state,
health from state,
all the things, right?
As soon as you grok this,
you want to,
as soon as you grok one of these things,
like a homeschooler family
is going to find Bitcoin one day
because they've separated education from state.
So they're just on the journey.
And he said it was my book
that he gifted to his wife.
And once she read that,
everything changed.
And now their 11-year-old is out of school.
and they're having a great time that obviously there are challenges like that this is a step
shift and it doesn't happen overnight and you can't be too hard on yourself and you can't be
too hard on your kid either because if you pull them out especially 11 12 13 that kind of age
you've got to remember at that point they've been institutionalized for six seven eight years
it's a lot of undoing and there's a lot of you know retrospective kind of thinking and
deprogramming and debugging that has to go into that and don't forget you yourself probably went
through minimum 15 year stint in that indoctrination system and still today you carry
trauma from it and still today you carry trigger points from it and
programmed behaviors is probably the best way i can describe it i've got a podcast coming up soon
actually with rob brinded listen out for that one it's called glitch the title of his new book and
we go into all of this kind of stuff and he his book honestly just go and read it uh he also is
the author of mind decentralized and uh it's a look at his work into um working on people's the
way he analogizes it as working on people's operating systems and helping you figure out
why you think the way you think and why you behave the way you behave under certain stressors
and it all is linked back to trauma which is linked a lot to gabor mate's work and gabor mate
wrote a book called hold on to your kids which i've discussed actually with the co-author of
das's book here seb bunny so if you go back and listen to that interview with seb bunny
you'll get a feel for that uh it's it's deep stuff guys honestly and as a parent um
there's no way you can stop yourself putting your children in certain traumatic situations
but being aware of that is a huge step forward and if you can be just more present in their life
day to day that's just a huge step forward and taking them out of the indoctrination system
is the best way that you can do that obviously not everybody's in the same situation i know that
and in dazzy's cases and in many other people's cases you know if you've got that bitcoin safety
net then you you do start opening yourselves up to this optionality in life that you never thought
you might ever have and it's worth exploring like for sure it's worth exploring but reach out to
other families like i said and um go and chat with them at the conferences nathan day and his family
nathan day from vtc maps they did the same thing took the kids out of school went traveling for
Almost a solid two or three years in their great big overlander,
much like Daz has done in Australia here.
So all that said, I'm out of music.
Thank you so much, guys, for listening.
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