Hello, everybody. My name is Daniel Prince, and I'm the host of the Once Bitten podcast.
This is a podcast focused on Bitcoin. It's my mission to interview as many people as I can
around the different aspects of Bitcoin and help people understand exactly what Bitcoin could mean
for them and for their families and for their future. I hope you enjoy the show. Thank you so
much for listening. Hello everybody and welcome to this episode of the Once Bitten podcast.
Joining me today is Dion Wilson. You might be thinking, okay, that's great. Who's this guy?
Well, he reached out to me via Orange Pill App because he'd been chatting with Mateo,
the founder, and explaining to Mateo how Orange Pill App had completely changed his life,
how he had gone from being the lonely bitcoiner, only guy on the street, to organizing meetups and
having the most interesting and rewarding in real life experiences. Building relationships with
people of a like mind. It's transformed everything that he does now and is really leaning into this
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that I had, not lost, excuse me, but I don't see their tweets anymore. And then I realized
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It drives me insane.
I was just spending the weekend with Nathan Day.
We're very good friends.
We've been friends for a long time.
Nathan started BTC Map.
And he said, oh, did you see my tweet?
I'm like, no, let me see.
And I flick it open and I'm not.
It was unfollowed.
It just, it's freaking so annoying.
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All right, Dion, we're recording.
We're brand new to each other.
Mateo said we should hook up and record a podcast.
And here we are on a Sunday.
Happy Father's Day.
Nice to meet you.
Happy Father's Day, Dan.
Nice to meet you as well.
We are here.
Yes, so I did another podcast.
and I think Mateo liked what I had to say about the Orangefield app
and he decided to reach out to me and introduce me to you.
So I thought I'd reach out to you and here we are.
Excellent.
I got on my Bitcoin journey.
I've been on it for a while now, probably like around 2017,
just in trying to understand the system that we're living in,
The current fiat system that engages all of our lives, that our entire lives are basically built upon, you know.
So what I was doing as I'm a personal trainer and I was going out on my own and trying to start my own business in the personal training field.
And I was just, you know, doing some research on what's the best way to go about it, you know, starting your own company.
and you realize going down this rabbit hole how everything is designed.
And the system is designed to support businesses and not employees.
You find that out through taxes, tax breaks, and all types of loopholes and things.
And coming from my first 15 years in the working field, I was an employee.
So I had a basically completely different outlook on how to create value, how to excel in the fiat system.
And when you decide to go on the other side as a business owner, it's a completely different outlook.
And you realize there are more benefits. But then you realize somewhere along the way that, hey, you know what? This system is not quite fair in the way it's designed and the way it's set up. It's designed in a way that some benefit more than others.
Some are able to access more of the broken money, the substitute money, as I like to call it, as I've gone down my Austrian economics journey.
You realize that the substitute money is a broken system.
And it benefits those who have found the best way to navigate their way through the system.
So as I was learning and to better myself within this broken system, I came across Bitcoin.
And at first, I didn't quite pay any attention. I just heard about it. I didn't even know there was a price involved, you know, so didn't really pay too much attention.
But then it kept popping up on my feeds. I spent a lot of time on YouTube, just going down, you know, different channels, learning different things.
And this Bitcoin kept popping up on the side, kept popping up on the side.
So I just decided to, you know, what is Bitcoin? Let me find out exactly what this thing is and how does it work.
and early on back then you know people were still using your you could still use your laptop your
computer to mine bitcoin and um i found myself you know under first engaged in mining bitcoin
like understanding how mining bitcoin worked and um once i kind of you know spent a little bit more
time in it, I said, you know, oh, this thing may be something to it that can really give people
their ability to take back control of their lives. And, you know, I started to understand it a little
bit. Then I got sidetracked because along with the Bitcoin, you get introduced to the other shit
coins. So lo and behold, I found, I thought I found value in all of these other tokens. And
oh, well, this one is good for this. And oh, this is so wonderful. You know, they've coming up with
this whole new idea about how we can, you know, build these digital assets. And they've all got
these wonderful use cases. And this is going to be great for this. And this is going to be great
for that. And I'm so glad that I was able to find some of these tokens, why they're really,
you know, not worth much and I'm going to be rich. But then as I started to learn more,
I realized, no, those aren't the answers, you know, and it was probably when I got a hold of
Jason Lowery's soft war. That was a really enlightening light bulb moment for me.
And that's when I said, well, this Bitcoin thing is bigger than I could ever really imagine.
And I better really start paying attention.
And then I started my rabbit hole journey.
And then it's been nonstop since.
So I am a personal trainer by day.
And I am a freedom preservation fighter by all other times of the day And that is due to bitcoin i love it right so where to dig in personal training was that always the thing that you been doing ever since like you left college
or whatever you actually no so we can go a little further i actually started personal training about
11 years ago before i was a professional trainer i was involved in the arts i used to be a
professional dancer but you're the first person that's asked me about that so yeah
What kind of dance?
I'm a ballet and modern.
I was a concert dancer.
I danced with a professional ballet company,
professional modern dance theater company.
Did a Broadway show.
Which show?
I was in the Lion King.
No way.
Yeah, yeah.
This is big time stuff.
This is so weird because I had,
I was at a Bitcoin meetup
when was this about two months ago in London? No, more recent than that.
Let's say. And it was hosted by AJ and she was,
she was actually the, the orange pill app ambassador for London.
Yes. I've talked to AJ quite a bit. Okay. Excellent. So you know each other, right?
So she's, she's like, right,
I've got this great venue and we're going to do a quiz.
So she put together all of this quiz and we co-hosted it.
We, we emceed and about 50 people showed up, I guess.
It was a really good event.
And one guy came up to me and he said, you might not remember this,
but I emailed you about two years ago about the,
what do they call it in London, the Royal Society of Ballet?
Or like, is that how it's called?
Would you even know?
There is the London Royal Ballet.
Right.
Maybe that's what he was talking about,
but maybe that's like a community there.
he dances
and he's coming towards
he was telling me he's coming towards
the end of his career
he wants to move on
but
he's very very
close to orange pilling
the royal ballet
and getting them to accept
tickets
ticket sales in bitcoin
and I remember
yes I remember that email
because I put you in touch with the Bridge to Bitcoin guys.
He's like, exactly.
They've been trying to help me.
So all of this stuff goes on in the background,
which people have no idea about.
When we're tossing rocks at each other across Twitter,
I'm running knots, I'm running core, whatever else.
Real plebs are out there just trying to do the thing.
And if you can imagine Orange Pilling,
the Royal Society of Ballet of London, it's crazy.
That would be magnificent if he could do that.
I mean, I that has been my hope here to like try to get the Broadway community orange peeled, you know, because that it would be so great for artists.
I mean, because, you know, as an artist, I mean, you know, a lot of the times your work is short term.
You know, you're working, you might have a six month contract, a one year contract, a three month contract.
So being able to save is a big part of how you can make a living as an artist.
You can't, you know, if you can't afford to save and sustain yourself until that next gig comes along, until, you know, we're in season again to do our next, you know, set of shows, then it's very hard to make it as an artist.
And this is part of the reason why some artists don't make it.
It's not because they don't have the talent.
It's because they are not in the economic position to just sustain themselves in that environment.
So, I mean.
let's lift the curtain on this if you excuse the pun you are obviously very I'm just going to take
you through like an example you have a person who's very talented they've put in a lot of effort
they've studied the arts they've been dancing since the age of six or whatever this is their
love right their passion this is all they've ever wanted to do and they score that big gig it might
be the Lion King it might be anything like you know on on Broadway what does that look like the
next like six months of your life because you are like the contract must be absolutely bulletproof
you can't not take a holiday you can't not turn up and you've probably got afternoon matinee and
you've probably got the big show in the evening this must be exhausting it's very exhausting so
um me personally I did the show for six years so for six years and I was in the touring cast which
is much more brutal than being stationed down like in New York City. You're talking eight shows a week
and you're only you have one day off a week. You get one sick day a month. And it's you're spending
three, four hours, you know, showtime, two hours preparation time. So you're in the theater for
five, six hours a day. And then, like you said, we have two show days on usually on the weekend.
so you're pretty much in the theater for 10 hours a day.
There's no windows in the theater,
so you don't get to see daylight.
You don't know when it's daylight, when it's nighttime.
Yeah, it's a very brutal schedule.
You're in it because you literally love what you do.
Everybody on that stage, backstage, that's a part of that show.
They're there because that's their passion
because that's the only way you could put yourself in that type of environment because it is pretty
brutal and it's even brutal as far as having a personal life and having family and kids you know
it really it takes away from a lot of that it's a big sacrifice yeah and you're dealing with a lot
of ego back there as well right oh you know and everybody's everybody's a star everybody's a diva
you know everything so so yeah so imagine that on top of that you know i can't like the stress
personalities yeah you got the stress you've got all of those personalities everyone's carrying on
two or three personalities in their mind at the same time right you've got the lead up to curtains
up you've got a packed house you've got yeah so who's making all the money here because it's not
it's not the guys that are treading the boards it was obviously the production company it's it's
It's the ones at the top, the ones that are putting on the show.
So, you know, they're making all the money.
But I will say that, you know, the theater world, well, there are different pay scales.
Like I know the union, for example, in London, they're not as strong as the union here in New York.
So, for example, if you're doing The Lion King, which is in the West End, they're not making as much as The Lion King in New York.
And it's the exact same production.
You know, so that's that, you know, those are the differences.
Yeah, it can be.
All right. Come on. Give us some horror stories.
Everybody loves a horror story, right?
You know, there's that night where everything goes wrong.
What comes to mind?
You say, you know what?
This is live theater.
This is the beauty of live theater.
Every night there's something different.
You know, it's never the same show twice.
Even though it's the same script, it's never the same show.
So that's the beauty of live theater.
Yes, things go wrong all the time.
You know, sometimes it may be noticeable to the audience.
And sometimes maybe not.
Usually we try to keep it not, you know, too dramatic.
You know, nothing that maybe a handful of times, you know, there's been something that, you know, maybe we had to like really like pause the show.
You know, some technical issues backstage.
Maybe a curtain doesn't come down.
Lights won't come on.
Something like that.
But that doesn't happen too often.
But you have like costume malfunctions all the time.
Somebody's costume breaks right before they go on stage.
You know, actor misses the cue.
You know, all kinds of things happen backstage.
So, yeah.
And with a show like The Lion King, such a big production,
there's so much things happening backstage.
If you're standing at the wrong place at the wrong time,
something might fall on top of you.
You might run into somebody.
There's accidents.
So, yeah, it can be a lot of different things.
So I'm sure you auditioned for loads of a bunch of different shows
and The Lion King was the one that said yes.
Six years.
That's the way it goes, right?
Yeah.
As an actor, yeah, you're going to probably get one yes
for every 10 no's.
That's the way it usually works.
So when you hear that soundtrack now,
do you just fall straight into character?
No, when I hear the soundtrack now, like, oh, God.
Turn it off.
But I hear it all the time, you know.
It's a circle of life.
There you go.
Yeah, I hear it all the time, so I'm kind of used to it, but yeah.
All right, which one, which show do you wish you could have played in?
What was the big miss for you?
Whether past or present, you know, whatever's going.
Well, let me think.
when i was a kid um i uh i fell in love with the whiz that was probably one of the you know the
shows that um probably like really you know got me curious about being in show business
what's it called the whiz the whiz the wizard of oz and so there's the wizard of oz
you have a couple of there's the wizard of oz and then there is the whiz basically it's a black
version and a white version same show all right okay um one is for you know one the whiz the music
was done by quincy jones so it's a little more jazzy um you know but pretty much uh just like
an urban version of the classical wizard of ours uh pretty much the same show i've never i would
have loved to have done either version of those shows so that was the thing that i what what what's
your take on theater today do you have you seen it fiatized if if you get my meaning it are we
looking at way more fiat shows it's timely actually because i caught up with andre and his wife andre
from free madeira just a week and a half ago and they were visiting london and they were off to go
and see phantom that night and phantom's been around since mid 80s i would get it's been around
for a very long time.
So, you know, this thing has got some staying power.
Original cast, I think, was Michael Crawford, Sarah Brightman,
in the West End at least.
Why is that still going?
Why haven't we now just, why hasn't that been eclipsed
and we've moved on and, you know, we've got all of this new stuff
coming through, these new composers, these new writers.
What's your take on that?
Great question.
The standard When we had a world where we lived on a gold standard especially for the world of the arts
low time preference.
Artists, producers, creators, choreographers,
writers seem to take more time
to create more detailed
quality work.
Because they have a lower time preference.
And they could take more time to appreciate their work, to delve into their work.
But on a fiat standard, we have to increase time preference.
Everything needs to be done within a certain amount of time frame, right?
Time is money because the value is actually going down.
You know, I used to think time was money in the sense that, yes, your time is your most valuable asset.
But when we think about it on the fiat standard, time is money because the longer it takes, the less you're going to get because your value is going down as time passes.
So the quality of work that we are producing in the last 50 years has changed.
And this is why shows like Phantom of the Opera and Cats are surviving.
Why do people still want to see these shows?
Because they were done under a different set of standards.
And you can see it all around, right?
It's in the artwork.
It's in the architecture, the things that we build, you know.
so our our standards have decreased we don't appreciate quality the same anymore
because our time preference has shortened everything needs to be done quick faster than
the hairy so it is you know it has changed the quality in which we do everything and you notice
it in the arts and i'm sure people have heard or even uttered the phrase come on chop chop time is
money time is money let's go let's go exactly right everybody's on the clock um they're you
know when you're talking about like these big productions they're all unionized right so
everybody's a part of the union the actors are in the union the stagehands are in the union the
wardrobe crews are in the union so everybody's got a timeline you know and if things got to be done
in a certain time, if they're not done in a certain time, they don't get done.
Because now we're, you know, we're, we're breaking some unions rule.
One of these three unions in the orchestra has a union.
So you've got four different unions taking place for one production and
everybody's got their own set of standards.
So there you go.
So try and make all of that work and create something of quality that everyone
can enjoy.
you know are you familiar with the term the lindy effect yes right so there we go it comes from it
comes from theater right uh it was a concept that originated from observations made by comedians
by comedians at lindy's delicatessen in new york city right theory is um the longer a show has
been running uh the longer it's likely to continue and this is classic and i would say
the lion king has got that lindy effect certainly does it's still down you know so the most recent
one i guess on the tip of people's minds would probably be hamilton that play and that just went
stratospheric and all the all the teenagers were listening to all of the raps and everything else
because and the critics were saying this is redefining theater and you know this is the next
thing i did the jazz hands there look yeah there you go you did the fossey hands what are they
called bob fossey hands bob fossey hands really yeah i wonder what the greg fossey hands would be
uh what's your take or critique on on that production hamilton um that's a great production
And I'll tell you why. People maybe not know the entire story about Lin-Manuel creating that show, but he started production on that show a very long time before it actually made it to Broadway.
You know, it was a script that he rewrote and rewrote and performed it at the public theater.
I mean, it was a true process. It was something that took time, that he had a low time preference, something that he could really engage in and create ideas and do something that hadn't been done on Broadway before to take a different approach.
so that was that's a prime example of what you can do when you have a low time preference
you know when you can actually take time to create something and now that is paying off for him he has
created a classic and that's something that hasn't been done in a very long time on broadway
you know 90 of the shows they don't last very long so you know but he was able to take his time
and create a wonderful production and this is why it's going to be here it's been here and it's
it's got the lindy effect as well yeah it's it's kind of weird as well that uh alexander hamilton
and I'm reading here, he proposed the creation of a national bank known as the First Bank of the
United States in 1791. He was doing this on behalf of the Rothschilds. So they were trying
to create a central bank in the US. And Alexander Hamilton was their man.
Right. Alexander Hamilton was their man. Yeah.
Now, it's crazy, because that's not depicted in the in the stage show. It's not about that
particular event but he is i mean he's uh depicted as a hero i suppose in the in the production and
dies valiantly uh in a gun duel i can't remember with the who who's who's dueling over a lady um
i can't i can't remember but yeah the people should dig into the history of of alexander
Hamilton and his position in the structure of the fiat standard in which he was trying
to usher that in on behalf of the banking dynasty families in Europe.
Exactly.
That he was sent there specifically to do that.
Right.
He was sent there specifically to do that.
Yes.
He was working for the money changers, as they called them back then, right?
And, you know, there was a little rebuttal that came along with Hamilton about the fact that here, Alexander Hamilton's been put on this pedestal as this wonderful character and completely omitting all of these things that you're mentioning here.
And the reason we can get away with that is because they've created this system that most people just don't understand or haven't taken the time to understand.
You know, so this is why we can create a wonderful show about a man who really, if you think about what he was doing.
I mean, it was, you know, detrimental to our society.
And we found a way to completely forget that portion and talk about all the other wonderful things.
But that's what we do as a society.
You know, we do this all the time.
we do it in so many ways with so many different subjects.
We will completely, you know, just avoid.
And we have a selective process of the things that we want to enlighten.
Yeah. History is written by the winners, right?
Right. Exactly. So there you go. I mean,
so this is why history is so important and we need to really take the time to
understand how things came to be, especially the money.
the system that we live in. When I talk to people about Bitcoin, I never approach them
about Bitcoin because I understand that's a whole conversation that's going to take a lot of time.
The easiest way to approach them is just about the system you're currently in. Do you really
understand what's happening to you right now? Like how you're working and all of your time is
being devalued and taken away from you? Do you really understand that all your energy
is just being depleted? I don't think you get it. I mean, because it's very hard for you to see,
you know, the system hasn't changed. A dollar is still a dollar. So you think it's still worth the
same, but that's not how it works, you know, and it's very hard. I don't know how we are going to
eventually get there. I mean, I think that it's just going to happen in pieces and pieces, you
know certain groups will get it sooner than other groups and then hopefully we'll get to that bitcoin
standard sooner than later you know um we'll see how it goes but everyone has to understand that
you are being devalued in this system you can see it in the art you see it in the architecture you
see it in just your culture you see it and you see it in your family life you know we don't spend
much time as we used to do as family. We don't cherish families as much as we did. And that's
because the system has changed to the point where our value system has changed. It's hard to have
good values on a fiat standard of living because if everything is being taken away from you,
your time is being devalued and your energy is now being worth less then you have to spend more
of that time producing value and less of that time appreciating the things that you've already
produced which is your family your friends your environment this is a struggle so you you come to
the end of your career and you've got to find you've got to pivot right you've got to figure
something else out how else do you add value now and how are you going to build your family if if
you're going to leave the arts if you're leaving dancing and performing behind was it an easy
decision for you to was personal training just a natural fit for you or was this a lot of deep
dark thinking going on?
It was not an easy decision
because as an artist,
first of all,
some artists will admit it,
some don't.
When the art is your passion,
especially as a dancer,
you don't want to leave that stage.
I mean, that is,
it's your drug,
you know it your high And the last thing you want to do is let it go So first you have to come to terms with Father Time And that you know it you know all great things and times change and
everything can't last forever. So then you have to figure out, all right, exactly, you know,
how do I want to go about this? Do I want? So, you know, the normal thing to do is just find some
way to tie yourself into the arts world, maybe as a teacher, as a producer, as a choreographer,
being associated with some arts program that maybe you started with or you trained with at
some point in your career. That's what most people do, teaching at a higher education institution.
But I was trying to do a Lin-Manuel. I was trying to create another niche within the world of the
arts. So as far as dancers, when dancers train, their training is primarily just whatever dance
format they're doing. So if you're a ballet dancer, your training is just primarily ballet
classes. If you're a modern dancer, you're taking ballet and modern class. So whatever that is.
Unlike athletes, which I also attribute dancers to be, dancers don't do a lot of strength and
conditioning outside of their, you know, training for their craft. So I knew this was an element that
could be added to the dance world because dancers sustain the same type of injuries that you see in
athletes, you know, ACL tears and ankle sprains and Achilles tendon tears, all the same injuries,
you know, being worked on by the same orthopedic doctors. So why are we not doing some type of
body strength and conditioning programs, just like basketball players, football players,
rugby players, you know.
So I have just been trying to create a niche of incorporating body and conditioning training
for dancers.
So I'm finding ways to, you know, do the calisthenics, to do, you know, the weightlifting,
but in a way that would be more beneficial to dancers.
Because the other thing is, you know, as a dancer, you want your physique to be long and lean as far as your muscle structures.
You don't want big, bulky muscles.
So when you do train, you can't exactly train the same way that you would as a football player or something.
So I'm trying to create exercises and programs and ways for dancers to work out outside of their normal dance routines that works with strengthening and conditioning.
me. And so that's what I've been doing. And that's what I've kind of found my niche as.
And there's not a lot of trainers that I find in the training field that have my background.
So this is what I've, you know, led me to work wanting to do something like this,
and also wanted to, you know, stay physical. As a dancer, you know, I knew I was retiring from
dance, but I still wanted to be physical. I knew I didn't want to sit down, you know,
behind the desk all day um so this was something that i thought would be good for me and create
a new space within my same room well how many how many of these uh dancers have you managed to
orange pill on their way through oh you've got them head to head for an hour like you know
do you uh are you slipping a slipping in the info not i slip it in yeah i try to
engage them but man dancers artists you know are well see artists here's another thing about when
you're at such a high level in your art you're you'll have a streamlined focus I mean you have
blinders on to literally the rest of the world so not only do have they not taken to understand
the fiat system. I mean, it's so many other, I mean, they don't even, they don't even engage in
politics a lot, you know, some of them just in general, because they're just so focused on their
craft. So trying to just pull their attention away from their craft to help them understand how they
could benefit and create longevity within their craft. It's hard. I try to mention it though. I do
try to bring it up um i try to get them to you know like pay me in bitcoin uh you know try to
get them to see how the lightning network works you know show them show them a wallet show them
an app make it you know make a transfer in stats you see how fast that transaction happened
instantaneously you know but it's it's still all a mystery
it's still all a mystery delivering touch points is all we can do right that that's uh
Yes. Very, very important. We deliver the points and I'm going to stay at it.
You know, you know, I'm not going to give up on them because eventually at some point they will come around because also what's happening in the arts world lately, especially here in America.
there's been some financial issues within the smaller dance companies. Like we're noticing
there's been a few smaller dance companies that have folded. There's been some that have, um,
have had union negotiation problems with the dancers, like haven't been able to come to an
agreement. Dancers have been going on strikes. So I'm noticing that, you know, within this fiat
system, most of the dance companies are nonprofit. So they're receiving, you know, their entire
structure is, you know, donation based. So when we have inflation, people are less likely to donate
to contribute to charity, right? Because they have less to give. So as we reach higher and higher
levels of inflation, the first people to feel it, the first industries that are going to feel it
are these arts organizations that are nonprofit. And that's 90% of everyone involved in the dance
industry and even the theater companies. So this is definitely becoming a problem.
So they need to take the time to understand Bitcoin. Like if some of these arts organizations
could allow themselves to create a Bitcoin reserve, they could preserve their organizations.
They could create long-term wealth.
You know, they could find a way to fund themselves and not need so much funding in order to sustain
themselves.
They really don't understand how beneficial Bitcoin is for their industry in particular.
So I'm really, like I said, I'm not going to give up because they need to understand
that Bitcoin is really, really, really, really, it's really for you guys.
I mean, if there is a group of people, if there is an industry that needs Bitcoin the most, it is the world of the arts.
Because of just how you're structured in the fiat system, you are going to be the first to feel the effects.
Your revenue is generated by donations.
You do create revenue through performances, but it's not enough to pay everyone.
It's not enough to sustain the company.
It's not enough to keep you in operation without the donation,
without the donations, you have no organization.
And ticket sales go down as well, right? Because, because of inflation,
people need to, you know, restructure their lives.
It's like the leisure stuff gets put aside because I need the basic,
my basic needs are taking up more of my money than they were before.
So you miss the show where you don't go to the football game or you don't go
and hang out with some friends and go to the bar or the pub
or the cafe or the restaurant.
Yes, exactly, right.
Because now you have to prioritize your needs.
Because as humans, what do we have to do?
We have to economize for our needs first and our wants second.
So going to the theater is not essentially a need.
You know, it gives us a great feeling emotionally, but it can't take away hunger, can't provide shelter, can't take care of your loved ones.
So that comes second.
And in a fiat standard, we're now seeing more and more people having to focus on their needs because they have less available to engage in their wants.
you know, and we're going to just keep going until we see more and more people make a better choice.
It's going to be up to us, the people that understand Bitcoin and understand that there's
a better way to do it, to engage in Bitcoin, to use Bitcoin so that they can observe us in a better
economy. So anybody listening that's tied up in the arts or, you know, have an interest here,
they should definitely reach out to you and they can do that with orange pill app this is what this
is why we were connected from orange pill app so let's get into that story what what what's what's
brought you what's brought you here what got you chatting to mateo then getting in touch with me
and how's orange pill app you know kind of helped you so i i i found orange pill app um through my
rabbit hole journey and finding nostrum so somehow across my news feed i saw the orange pill app
ad and um i was like whoa there is a social media platform specifically for bitcoiners and being able
to like engage with bitcoiners i mean i thought it was the greatest thing in the world because
at this point i had never met anybody that was a bitcoiner um since oh whoa how many years
was that before like so you find bitcoin you start grokking it with the mining thing you put that
side then you come back to it so so we're talking six seven years like so um yeah right so my closest
connection to a bitcoiner is going on youtube and watching podcasts and or you know being on twitter
or now i'm getting closer because i'm on nostril and i see there are more people that are actually
in the bitcoin space but you know then you know seeing the orange pearl app i was like whoa there
is an actual space where I can actually reach out to these people individually. And they're like in
these group chats. And I just thought it was the greatest thing ever. And I got on there. And at
the time, there wasn't a New York City group chat. So I started the New York City group chat.
And that's when Mateo reached out to me. And I met Mateo. And then I found out he was looking for
to help him grow the app.
And I was like, hey, that's me.
I'm all in.
Like, you know, I love to do it.
And since I've been in the past,
I've been on the Orange Pill app a little over a year now.
I have met so many Bitcoiners.
Like I really am.
In real life.
Like I really feel like I'm now connected with my Bitcoin community here.
Like, you know, and it's a growing community.
You know, we're more engaged.
We're having more events.
There are events every week now.
Like I'm hosting some of these events.
And I know all the other people that are hosting the events.
And this is all basically because of the Orange Peel app.
And now we've got the zap features on there.
And that just took it to a whole nother level.
You know, being able to geo zap and zap people in New York and people that are 10 miles away from you.
I mean, that was just an awesome feature being at it.
And, you know, I use it every day now.
It's, you know, it's like wake up, get on the Orange Peel app.
You see who's around because I feel more connected with the Orange Pill app than like X or even Nosher.
You know, the Orange Pill app are like people that are like I can actually reach out to like, you know, like I'm building like real friends.
Like these are people that like I'm like, hey, how we doing?
I've got a lightning channel with a friend on the Orange Pill app now, you know, like these are the kind of connections you can make with people on the Orange Pill.
app that you probably even even if you would make these kind of connections on a platform like x for
example you may be a little more hesitant right because there are a lot of bots out there there's
a lot of spam out there with the orange pill app all right you're going to pay a small fee to sign
up and that's because we want real bitcoiners we want people that are engaged in bitcoin and want
to meet bitcoiners so that's nothing if you're a real bitcoiner you know you look at that as great
this is an opportunity for me to not have to trust where I can just verify these people are real
and they have real good intentions and it's it's it's in like you know it feels good it really
feels good at this point you know like I really feel like I'm a part of a good community of people
yeah I I loved the the GeoSAP uh when when Mateo was shilling uh the idea of the wallet
I was like yeah I guess you know there's a ton of other wallets out there you know I've probably
got them all on my thing you know what another wallet that's all I need right another wallet
great uh but then when it was rolled out uh and ideas kept layering on top of it the first thing
actually that was the most interesting because at that point I think there was just shy of 16,000
members on there and he'd asked he'd asked so many of the members before you know have you ever
made a lightning transaction just doing some kind of research like no no no no no then he sent out
an email and you know collated all the data he was like goodness me there's like 80 of these answers
and no never use the lightning network this is an app where the members are bitcoiners like this is
crazy so right that point is like okay we have to build this app in the very least because this will
be a touch point to the lightning network for all of these people and so sure enough built it and uh
the geos app was great i actually geos app to new york i'm looking now when i was playing around
with it 65 people were in new york on the 17th of march 2025 who got us geos app from me with a
message saying good morning new york have an amazing week and thank you for all the support
over the years if you haven't tuned in before please go check out the once bitten podcast
on fountain app let's fucking go frenzy and then a link to my show nice that this is the power of it
that you're reaching people in in such a way that you know are going to be touched to have received
to the sats right with a nice message and then value for value might go and check out the show
and get some extra value from the show and then send that on to somebody else uh so it's it's such
a great such a great tool great fun a great idea i mean and yeah you can just zap people and you
feel connected like you don't feel like it's like uh well someone's invading your space you're like
no, what is this? I'm interested. This is an orange pill app person. Let me see what they're
talking about I intrigued by everything that I learning from all the different people with you know different ways of thinking about Bitcoin and all the different apps you know people are putting out
there. Since I've been on the Orange Pill app, I mean, I've seen, you know, people are writing
books about Bitcoin and people are finding ways to transfer stats and there's a healthcare system
that you can use for stats now.
There is a BTC Airbnb that I found out
through the Orangefield app.
There is a way to figure out the value of your home.
Is it worth it in terms of Bitcoin?
I mean, it's just beautiful.
It's just phenomenal.
So many things that are happening
and with all these people that are right there
and you feel so connected to them.
yeah and uh mateo's big hope was that you would take an online connection offline and actually go
and meet in real life because that is where the magic happens and we we know that if you've been
to a meetup or if you've been to a conference like you're a perfect example you've been around
six seven years you've just been twitter guy or whatever uh watching the youtube channels or
listening to the audios but and that that first time you meet another bitcoiner in the flesh where
you are completely on the same level on with one point and that one point is the money is broken
and this is the better money that's all you need everything else you can build up on top of that
but that that gives you then the confidence to go forward and start building something it wasn't
until i met real bitcoiners i started this podcast you know up until that point like you i'd just been
lonely dude and then i met a couple of uh i met three bitcoiners in a short short time of about
three weeks january 2020 and that gave me the confidence to go for it and start a podcast
it changed everything like you said from one single point of of understanding there's a better
system for us to value ourselves in. And any human that is alive, that has to economize,
that has to survive, all want to value themselves in the best way possible.
And the few of us that have figured it out, we found that as our connecting point.
And we can just go and build value on top of value from there. Because now we are finding
ourselves in a space where we don't have to worry about losing the value of our time.
Now we can fully engage in the things that matter to us and not just doing things because we need
to do these things to survive or get ahead. You know, that's another thing about the fiat work.
Everyone is doing things that maybe they like, maybe they don't like, but they have to do these
things because the system that they're in, this is the best way for them to create value.
Well, in the Bitcoin system, you don't have to just choose the best way to create value. You can
choose the way that you want to create value, the way that best suits you. You have that
opportunity to do that because your value is being preserved. And now that we have that orange
pill moment. We can connect. Like you said, I've met these people on the app and now I get to see
these people face to face and we're doing coffee meetups. We're engaging and talking about building
things in Bitcoin. I now have a Bitcoiner that I met on the orange pill app where he's trying to
create a, you know, a way to orange pill, more merchants, you know, in our local area to get
them onboarded to using bitcoin and he wants me to help him promote it you know i wouldn't be able
to do these type of things if i hadn't found these people at the orange fill app you know so it's
great love it mate i love it well okay last question for you if you had one last orange
pill left to give to somebody who would you give it to and what
If I had one last orange for the gift to somebody, who would I give it to?
That's a very good question.
I mean I hate I don want to sound biased but obviously you going to pick someone that you that that the closest to you Right Someone that you love you know So that would have to be that would have to be my mom
Right. She's a part of that baby boomer population.
And these are the people who are the furthest away from.
A sound money system. Their entire lives have been trenched in the fiat system,
And they're the ones that are going to have the hardest time accepting that there is a better way to store value.
So if there was a way, you know, that for my mom and her entire generation to really understand, I know that this is what you've been taught and this is how you've lived your entire life.
but there is a better way if you would just be willing to take the time to unlearn some things
and learn some new things that is that is the hardest thing you can do is to orange peel someone
who has been completely engaged to the system where they have benefited from the system they
have profited from the system so try and tell them that there is a better way of doing what
they already felt that they've succeeded in so that would be who i would love to orange feel you
know love it so if if anybody listening wants to reach out dion what what's the best way to
come and find you i would love for you to find me on the decentralized platform of nostra if you
have not found your way there i am dion wilson on there you can find me at orange pill man on x
or you can follow my fitness journey at body by dion on instagram so three great ways to find me
and orange pill app on the orange pill app the orange pill app is my home base if you want to
find me and really connect with me on a personal level come to the orange pill app yeah yeah
excellent well thanks for coming on dion thanks for giving up some time today on
on Father's Day all day.
I hope you go and have a good afternoon now over in New York.
Enjoy your Father's Day as well, Dan.
I will do.
The sun is still shining here.
So hopefully we'll get a barbecue or might even break out the pizza oven
and, you know, make some homemade pizza with the kids.
So I appreciate you and everything you're doing.
And yeah, hope to meet you.
I might be in New York in October.
So I will zap.
I will geo zap New York if I'm coming and I'll come and see you guys down in pub key or wherever
wherever you guys hang out absolutely we gotta do it all right thanks thanks again
well there you go guys I hope that was an uplifting episode for your Sunday that's the
day of release today Sunday the 3rd of August I will be releasing video version as well are you
using fountain app hello hello are you a bitcoiner and listening to bitcoin part are you listening to
your 40 hours per week on fucking spotify or worse youtube or more disgustingly apple pods or google
pods these walled gardens these subscription hell holes fountain app has been built for you
bitcoiners by bitcoiners nick gentle oscar mary they've been around for years now years and this
podcast is now hosted by fountain i pay them by the way i'm not i i'm not paid to shill i pay them
And I pay a subscription.
I know I just shout on subscriptions, but this is a Bitcoiner company.
So I have my wallet.
It's all there, downloaded for me on Fountain.
I receive sats.
I stream sats.
I've been listening to podcasts on Fountain app for God knows how long, years.
The amount of sats I've streamed to listening to other Bitcoiners
is just the best way for me to have that.
If Guy Swan is reading me the latest article and I'm really enjoying it,
and I wouldn't be streaming MSATs, I would feel shit.
If David Bennett none of your business on his daily is reading me the news I can use and I listening on Apple or Google Pods and he getting nothing that bullshit I don know what else to say especially now especially look if you new to Bitcoin that fine but if
you've been around Bitcoin for a cycle like fucking hell guys get over to fountain app seriously get
some sats on that wallet and start moving these things around and yes you will even receive sats
you will earn sats by listening to specific shows not all shows are enabled that way
but that's just the way it works and this is how nick and oscar have put this thing together so
follow fountain app on twitter at the very least or nostr and yes fountain app is nostr enabled as
well so you can sign in with your nsec why isn't it not all right random thought of the day it's
called an n pub and an n sec why isn't it called an n priv can someone explain that to me i don't
know whatever i'll get the uh i'll get the nostril guys to explain anyway i lost my train of thought
i was shilling none your business again right uh bitcoin and dave get over and listen to his show
i've had him on the podcast twice david bennett or at none your business that's all you have to
he's been around for so long if you if you're not following him you 100 should be he's released over
1100 podcasts at this stage because he does an almost daily show he reads the news that you can
use and he has the best riffs as well and the best rants he pulls his soapbox out at least once
maybe twice per episode and it just gives you a different perspective to the uh to the news and
of reports that he's using uh reading excuse me it's very much like uh at the end of guy swan's
uh reads he gives you the guy's take i always enjoy those the most anyway that's um i'm cross
shilling podcasts here because i love i love all my brothers that are out there ancestors that are
out there doing um you know doing the hard yards putting in the work uh and putting this stuff out
generally for free not everybody has i'm lucky i have a few sponsors i you know i have relay
bitbox pay with flash they help me out it's brilliant thank you very much guys you know
long-standing relationship with a lot of these people and um but there's nothing better than
receiving like a boost or a message on fountain app or if you post something up on nostr and you
can get some zaps this is what this is what we're here to do right i i can take the same tweet i can
tweet on twitter and i can copy paste that and i can put it on nostr i might get 50 likes a couple
of retweets some replies and some negative bullshit or you know be called an asshole on twitter
and 7,000 views. On NOSTA, I might get 350 sats. I mean, what's better, right? And I might be told,
you know, go listen to this or go listen to that because it's way friendlier over there
and it's way better signal. So if you're not on NOSTA, you should be. Again, you know,
I'm not shilling that for any reason other than I want to see this project succeed and as many of
us move over there as we possibly can and support Bitcoin-based projects. Dave himself, he runs
something called the Circle P, where he gets a bunch of vendors together that are selling their
goods and services for Bitcoin. Over here, we have plebeian.market, as Chief Monkey has put that
together. We need more, more marketplaces, more places where people can go and spend their sats.
you know it's if it does not become a medium exchange we may as well just pack up and go home
put our put our handcuffs on and just bend the need to ever exorbitantly higher taxes and less
freedoms i mean what else are we going to do we need freedom money we have the freedom money we
have the freedom tech if we are not using it then who will and we have to lead by example
and i'm now definitely ranting and i will get off my soapbox i hope you guys enjoyed this one with
dion please reach out to him if especially if you're going to be in new york find him on orange
pill app send him some sats say thanks and get inspired meet people get over to orange pill app
love you guys thank you for listening catch on the next show