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Hello, everybody. My name is Daniel Prince, and I'm the host of the Once Bitten podcast.

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This is a podcast focused on Bitcoin. It's my mission to interview as many people as I can

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around the different aspects of Bitcoin and help people understand exactly what Bitcoin could mean

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for them and for their families and for their future. I hope you enjoy the show. Thank you so

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much for listening. Hello everybody and welcome to this episode of the Once Bitten podcast.

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Joining me today is Dion Wilson. You might be thinking, okay, that's great. Who's this guy?

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Well, he reached out to me via Orange Pill App because he'd been chatting with Mateo,

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the founder, and explaining to Mateo how Orange Pill App had completely changed his life,

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how he had gone from being the lonely bitcoiner, only guy on the street, to organizing meetups and

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having the most interesting and rewarding in real life experiences. Building relationships with

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people of a like mind. It's transformed everything that he does now and is really leaning into this

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space. So I wanted to bring him on and talk about that because as we move into this nonsensical

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kind of AI, algorithmic, awful. Your feed is just complete and utter total garbage,

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full of people trying to grab your attention. I've lost so many of the Bitcoin Twitter friends

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that I had, not lost, excuse me, but I don't see their tweets anymore. And then I realized

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for whatever reason, Twitter has, or X, call it whatever you will, has unfollowed them for me.

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It drives me insane.

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I was just spending the weekend with Nathan Day.

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We're very good friends.

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We've been friends for a long time.

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Nathan started BTC Map.

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And he said, oh, did you see my tweet?

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I'm like, no, let me see.

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And I flick it open and I'm not.

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It was unfollowed.

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It just, it's freaking so annoying.

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So, look, one, get over to Nostra if you're not doing that.

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But two, get on Orange Pill App and start meeting each other in real life.

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If there's something to be said for getting back out there in the real world.

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And this is what Orange Pill App is affording people this opportunity.

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There are over 17,000 people as of last count.

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Or we're nearing that number around the world.

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So if you're traveling a lot, just flick open the app.

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Find out who's in town.

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Find out if there are bars, restaurants or cafes.

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Merchants that you can go and spend your Bitcoin with.

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Find out if there's someone there that you can just go and grab a coffee with.

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You're plugged in.

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immediately so yeah don't leave this one uh just you know it's built by bitcoiners for bitcoiners

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it yes it's going to charge you four dollars a month or you can just buy a lifetime membership

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with sats it's it it's paid because you don't want to keep bumping up against algorithms you

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don't want your stuff being stolen uh excuse me you're you don't want to be sold to you don't

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want email addresses being stolen you don't want any of this crap so it's uh it's a paid app keeps

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to it the crypto bros away and the signal high so get over orange pill app uh if you want to start

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accepting bitcoin for your goods and services are you following the news over at pay with flash

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this is being built out right in front of your eyes if you're not paying attention you absolutely

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100 should be pierre corban and the team are doing great work over there so get over to paywithflash.com

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start accepting Bitcoin for your goods and services right now. Relay, R-E-L-A-I dot C-H

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forward slash Bitom is a place for you to go and start Stacking Sats across Europe. There are many

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other Bitcoin only apps around the world. So do your research if you're in Australia, New Zealand,

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Canada, America, Hungary, Belarus, Bolivia, Bulgaria, wherever. There will be a place,

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It's a Bitcoin way for you to start dollar cost averaging.

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So go find them.

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Across Europe, Relay, R-E-L-A-I dot C-H forward slash Bitten.

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Use the code Bitten and you can start stacking up to 1,000 Swiss or equivalent per day.

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For your info, Swan Bitcoin are in the US that do exactly the same thing.

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SwanBitcoin.com forward slash Bitten.

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Take control of your Bitcoin though.

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Bitbox O2, Bitcoin only edition.

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Very important.

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you get the keys to your Bitcoin.

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It's not, you know,

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you do not walk into a car dealership,

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buy the car and then leave the keys at the desk

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and walk out, right?

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So take the damn thing with you.

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You're in control of it.

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It's yours.

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Same with the Bitcoin.

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Get it off the exchanges.

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You need to have control over your Bitcoin.

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The Bitbox O2 will get, sorry,

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will give you, offer you a discount of 5%.

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If you use the code BITTON,

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hit the link in the show notes,

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It's bitfox.swiss forward slash bitten.

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Plebeian.market is a place for you to go and start buying goods and services again for sats.

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If you want to up your 40 hours per week podcast game, get over to bubble.bubbl.fm.

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You can curate all of the topics that you want to listen to in the Bitcoin space.

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And if you want to be right up to date with all of the news that you can use,

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your boy Dave Bennett, otherwise known as Nanya Bidness, has the show. It's the daily show that

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you need to listen to. Generally lasts about an hour. He goes through all of the up-to-date news

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releases and whatever else you need to know about Bitcoin. So get over to the Bitcoin and podcast.

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Follow, like, subscribe, leave him a review. I love Dave. He's been on the show a couple of times.

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Go back and listen to those episodes.

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Meanwhile, sit back and enjoy this one with Dion Wilson.

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All right, Dion, we're recording.

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We're brand new to each other.

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Mateo said we should hook up and record a podcast.

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And here we are on a Sunday.

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Happy Father's Day.

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Nice to meet you.

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Happy Father's Day, Dan.

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Nice to meet you as well.

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We are here.

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Yes, so I did another podcast.

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and I think Mateo liked what I had to say about the Orangefield app

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and he decided to reach out to me and introduce me to you.

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So I thought I'd reach out to you and here we are.

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Excellent.

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I got on my Bitcoin journey.

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I've been on it for a while now, probably like around 2017,

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just in trying to understand the system that we're living in,

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The current fiat system that engages all of our lives, that our entire lives are basically built upon, you know.

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So what I was doing as I'm a personal trainer and I was going out on my own and trying to start my own business in the personal training field.

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And I was just, you know, doing some research on what's the best way to go about it, you know, starting your own company.

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and you realize going down this rabbit hole how everything is designed.

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And the system is designed to support businesses and not employees.

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You find that out through taxes, tax breaks, and all types of loopholes and things.

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And coming from my first 15 years in the working field, I was an employee.

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So I had a basically completely different outlook on how to create value, how to excel in the fiat system.

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And when you decide to go on the other side as a business owner, it's a completely different outlook.

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And you realize there are more benefits. But then you realize somewhere along the way that, hey, you know what? This system is not quite fair in the way it's designed and the way it's set up. It's designed in a way that some benefit more than others.

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Some are able to access more of the broken money, the substitute money, as I like to call it, as I've gone down my Austrian economics journey.

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You realize that the substitute money is a broken system.

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And it benefits those who have found the best way to navigate their way through the system.

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So as I was learning and to better myself within this broken system, I came across Bitcoin.

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And at first, I didn't quite pay any attention. I just heard about it. I didn't even know there was a price involved, you know, so didn't really pay too much attention.

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But then it kept popping up on my feeds. I spent a lot of time on YouTube, just going down, you know, different channels, learning different things.

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And this Bitcoin kept popping up on the side, kept popping up on the side.

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So I just decided to, you know, what is Bitcoin? Let me find out exactly what this thing is and how does it work.

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and early on back then you know people were still using your you could still use your laptop your

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computer to mine bitcoin and um i found myself you know under first engaged in mining bitcoin

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like understanding how mining bitcoin worked and um once i kind of you know spent a little bit more

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time in it, I said, you know, oh, this thing may be something to it that can really give people

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their ability to take back control of their lives. And, you know, I started to understand it a little

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bit. Then I got sidetracked because along with the Bitcoin, you get introduced to the other shit

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coins. So lo and behold, I found, I thought I found value in all of these other tokens. And

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oh, well, this one is good for this. And oh, this is so wonderful. You know, they've coming up with

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this whole new idea about how we can, you know, build these digital assets. And they've all got

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these wonderful use cases. And this is going to be great for this. And this is going to be great

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for that. And I'm so glad that I was able to find some of these tokens, why they're really,

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you know, not worth much and I'm going to be rich. But then as I started to learn more,

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I realized, no, those aren't the answers, you know, and it was probably when I got a hold of

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Jason Lowery's soft war. That was a really enlightening light bulb moment for me.

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And that's when I said, well, this Bitcoin thing is bigger than I could ever really imagine.

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And I better really start paying attention.

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And then I started my rabbit hole journey.

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And then it's been nonstop since.

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So I am a personal trainer by day.

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And I am a freedom preservation fighter by all other times of the day And that is due to bitcoin i love it right so where to dig in personal training was that always the thing that you been doing ever since like you left college

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or whatever you actually no so we can go a little further i actually started personal training about

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11 years ago before i was a professional trainer i was involved in the arts i used to be a

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professional dancer but you're the first person that's asked me about that so yeah

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What kind of dance?

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I'm a ballet and modern.

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I was a concert dancer.

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I danced with a professional ballet company,

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professional modern dance theater company.

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Did a Broadway show.

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Which show?

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I was in the Lion King.

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No way.

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This is big time stuff.

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This is so weird because I had,

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I was at a Bitcoin meetup

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when was this about two months ago in London? No, more recent than that.

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Let's say. And it was hosted by AJ and she was,

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she was actually the, the orange pill app ambassador for London.

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Yes. I've talked to AJ quite a bit. Okay. Excellent. So you know each other, right?

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So she's, she's like, right,

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I've got this great venue and we're going to do a quiz.

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So she put together all of this quiz and we co-hosted it.

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We, we emceed and about 50 people showed up, I guess.

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It was a really good event.

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And one guy came up to me and he said, you might not remember this,

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but I emailed you about two years ago about the,

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what do they call it in London, the Royal Society of Ballet?

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Or like, is that how it's called?

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Would you even know?

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There is the London Royal Ballet.

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Maybe that's what he was talking about,

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but maybe that's like a community there.

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he dances

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he was telling me he's coming towards

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the end of his career

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he wants to move on

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he's very very

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close to orange pilling

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the royal ballet

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and getting them to accept

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tickets

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ticket sales in bitcoin

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and I remember

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yes I remember that email

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because I put you in touch with the Bridge to Bitcoin guys.

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He's like, exactly.

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They've been trying to help me.

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So all of this stuff goes on in the background,

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which people have no idea about.

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When we're tossing rocks at each other across Twitter,

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I'm running knots, I'm running core, whatever else.

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Real plebs are out there just trying to do the thing.

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And if you can imagine Orange Pilling,

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the Royal Society of Ballet of London, it's crazy.

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That would be magnificent if he could do that.

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I mean, I that has been my hope here to like try to get the Broadway community orange peeled, you know, because that it would be so great for artists.

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I mean, because, you know, as an artist, I mean, you know, a lot of the times your work is short term.

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You know, you're working, you might have a six month contract, a one year contract, a three month contract.

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So being able to save is a big part of how you can make a living as an artist.

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You can't, you know, if you can't afford to save and sustain yourself until that next gig comes along, until, you know, we're in season again to do our next, you know, set of shows, then it's very hard to make it as an artist.

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And this is part of the reason why some artists don't make it.

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It's not because they don't have the talent.

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It's because they are not in the economic position to just sustain themselves in that environment.

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let's lift the curtain on this if you excuse the pun you are obviously very I'm just going to take

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you through like an example you have a person who's very talented they've put in a lot of effort

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they've studied the arts they've been dancing since the age of six or whatever this is their

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love right their passion this is all they've ever wanted to do and they score that big gig it might

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be the Lion King it might be anything like you know on on Broadway what does that look like the

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next like six months of your life because you are like the contract must be absolutely bulletproof

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you can't not take a holiday you can't not turn up and you've probably got afternoon matinee and

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you've probably got the big show in the evening this must be exhausting it's very exhausting so

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um me personally I did the show for six years so for six years and I was in the touring cast which

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is much more brutal than being stationed down like in New York City. You're talking eight shows a week

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and you're only you have one day off a week. You get one sick day a month. And it's you're spending

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three, four hours, you know, showtime, two hours preparation time. So you're in the theater for

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five, six hours a day. And then, like you said, we have two show days on usually on the weekend.

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so you're pretty much in the theater for 10 hours a day.

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There's no windows in the theater,

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so you don't get to see daylight.

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You don't know when it's daylight, when it's nighttime.

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Yeah, it's a very brutal schedule.

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You're in it because you literally love what you do.

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Everybody on that stage, backstage, that's a part of that show.

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They're there because that's their passion

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because that's the only way you could put yourself in that type of environment because it is pretty

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brutal and it's even brutal as far as having a personal life and having family and kids you know

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it really it takes away from a lot of that it's a big sacrifice yeah and you're dealing with a lot

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of ego back there as well right oh you know and everybody's everybody's a star everybody's a diva

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you know everything so so yeah so imagine that on top of that you know i can't like the stress

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personalities yeah you got the stress you've got all of those personalities everyone's carrying on

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two or three personalities in their mind at the same time right you've got the lead up to curtains

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up you've got a packed house you've got yeah so who's making all the money here because it's not

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it's not the guys that are treading the boards it was obviously the production company it's it's

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It's the ones at the top, the ones that are putting on the show.

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So, you know, they're making all the money.

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But I will say that, you know, the theater world, well, there are different pay scales.

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Like I know the union, for example, in London, they're not as strong as the union here in New York.

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So, for example, if you're doing The Lion King, which is in the West End, they're not making as much as The Lion King in New York.

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And it's the exact same production.

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You know, so that's that, you know, those are the differences.

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Yeah, it can be.

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All right. Come on. Give us some horror stories.

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Everybody loves a horror story, right?

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You know, there's that night where everything goes wrong.

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What comes to mind?

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You say, you know what?

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This is live theater.

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This is the beauty of live theater.

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Every night there's something different.

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You know, it's never the same show twice.

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Even though it's the same script, it's never the same show.

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So that's the beauty of live theater.

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Yes, things go wrong all the time.

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You know, sometimes it may be noticeable to the audience.

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And sometimes maybe not.

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Usually we try to keep it not, you know, too dramatic.

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You know, nothing that maybe a handful of times, you know, there's been something that, you know, maybe we had to like really like pause the show.

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You know, some technical issues backstage.

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Maybe a curtain doesn't come down.

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Lights won't come on.

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Something like that.

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But that doesn't happen too often.

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But you have like costume malfunctions all the time.

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Somebody's costume breaks right before they go on stage.

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You know, actor misses the cue.

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You know, all kinds of things happen backstage.

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So, yeah.

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And with a show like The Lion King, such a big production,

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there's so much things happening backstage.

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If you're standing at the wrong place at the wrong time,

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something might fall on top of you.

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You might run into somebody.

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There's accidents.

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So, yeah, it can be a lot of different things.

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So I'm sure you auditioned for loads of a bunch of different shows

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and The Lion King was the one that said yes.

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Six years.

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That's the way it goes, right?

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Yeah.

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As an actor, yeah, you're going to probably get one yes

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for every 10 no's.

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That's the way it usually works.

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So when you hear that soundtrack now,

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do you just fall straight into character?

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No, when I hear the soundtrack now, like, oh, God.

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Turn it off.

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But I hear it all the time, you know.

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It's a circle of life.

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There you go.

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Yeah, I hear it all the time, so I'm kind of used to it, but yeah.

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All right, which one, which show do you wish you could have played in?

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What was the big miss for you?

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Whether past or present, you know, whatever's going.

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Well, let me think.

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when i was a kid um i uh i fell in love with the whiz that was probably one of the you know the

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shows that um probably like really you know got me curious about being in show business

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what's it called the whiz the whiz the wizard of oz and so there's the wizard of oz

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you have a couple of there's the wizard of oz and then there is the whiz basically it's a black

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version and a white version same show all right okay um one is for you know one the whiz the music

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was done by quincy jones so it's a little more jazzy um you know but pretty much uh just like

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an urban version of the classical wizard of ours uh pretty much the same show i've never i would

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have loved to have done either version of those shows so that was the thing that i what what what's

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your take on theater today do you have you seen it fiatized if if you get my meaning it are we

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looking at way more fiat shows it's timely actually because i caught up with andre and his wife andre

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from free madeira just a week and a half ago and they were visiting london and they were off to go

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and see phantom that night and phantom's been around since mid 80s i would get it's been around

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for a very long time.

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So, you know, this thing has got some staying power.

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Original cast, I think, was Michael Crawford, Sarah Brightman,

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in the West End at least.

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Why is that still going?

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Why haven't we now just, why hasn't that been eclipsed

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and we've moved on and, you know, we've got all of this new stuff

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coming through, these new composers, these new writers.

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What's your take on that?

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Great question.

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The standard When we had a world where we lived on a gold standard especially for the world of the arts

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low time preference.

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Artists, producers, creators, choreographers,

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writers seem to take more time

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to create more detailed

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quality work.

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Because they have a lower time preference.

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And they could take more time to appreciate their work, to delve into their work.

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But on a fiat standard, we have to increase time preference.

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Everything needs to be done within a certain amount of time frame, right?

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Time is money because the value is actually going down.

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You know, I used to think time was money in the sense that, yes, your time is your most valuable asset.

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But when we think about it on the fiat standard, time is money because the longer it takes, the less you're going to get because your value is going down as time passes.

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So the quality of work that we are producing in the last 50 years has changed.

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And this is why shows like Phantom of the Opera and Cats are surviving.

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Why do people still want to see these shows?

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Because they were done under a different set of standards.

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And you can see it all around, right?

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It's in the artwork.

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It's in the architecture, the things that we build, you know.

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so our our standards have decreased we don't appreciate quality the same anymore

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because our time preference has shortened everything needs to be done quick faster than

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the hairy so it is you know it has changed the quality in which we do everything and you notice

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it in the arts and i'm sure people have heard or even uttered the phrase come on chop chop time is

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money time is money let's go let's go exactly right everybody's on the clock um they're you

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know when you're talking about like these big productions they're all unionized right so

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everybody's a part of the union the actors are in the union the stagehands are in the union the

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wardrobe crews are in the union so everybody's got a timeline you know and if things got to be done

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in a certain time, if they're not done in a certain time, they don't get done.

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Because now we're, you know, we're, we're breaking some unions rule.

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One of these three unions in the orchestra has a union.

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So you've got four different unions taking place for one production and

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everybody's got their own set of standards.

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So there you go.

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So try and make all of that work and create something of quality that everyone

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can enjoy.

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you know are you familiar with the term the lindy effect yes right so there we go it comes from it

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comes from theater right uh it was a concept that originated from observations made by comedians

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by comedians at lindy's delicatessen in new york city right theory is um the longer a show has

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been running uh the longer it's likely to continue and this is classic and i would say

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the lion king has got that lindy effect certainly does it's still down you know so the most recent

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one i guess on the tip of people's minds would probably be hamilton that play and that just went

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stratospheric and all the all the teenagers were listening to all of the raps and everything else

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because and the critics were saying this is redefining theater and you know this is the next

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thing i did the jazz hands there look yeah there you go you did the fossey hands what are they

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called bob fossey hands bob fossey hands really yeah i wonder what the greg fossey hands would be

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uh what's your take or critique on on that production hamilton um that's a great production

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And I'll tell you why. People maybe not know the entire story about Lin-Manuel creating that show, but he started production on that show a very long time before it actually made it to Broadway.

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You know, it was a script that he rewrote and rewrote and performed it at the public theater.

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I mean, it was a true process. It was something that took time, that he had a low time preference, something that he could really engage in and create ideas and do something that hadn't been done on Broadway before to take a different approach.

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so that was that's a prime example of what you can do when you have a low time preference

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you know when you can actually take time to create something and now that is paying off for him he has

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created a classic and that's something that hasn't been done in a very long time on broadway

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you know 90 of the shows they don't last very long so you know but he was able to take his time

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and create a wonderful production and this is why it's going to be here it's been here and it's

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it's got the lindy effect as well yeah it's it's kind of weird as well that uh alexander hamilton

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and I'm reading here, he proposed the creation of a national bank known as the First Bank of the

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United States in 1791. He was doing this on behalf of the Rothschilds. So they were trying

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to create a central bank in the US. And Alexander Hamilton was their man.

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Right. Alexander Hamilton was their man. Yeah.

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Now, it's crazy, because that's not depicted in the in the stage show. It's not about that

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particular event but he is i mean he's uh depicted as a hero i suppose in the in the production and

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dies valiantly uh in a gun duel i can't remember with the who who's who's dueling over a lady um

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i can't i can't remember but yeah the people should dig into the history of of alexander

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Hamilton and his position in the structure of the fiat standard in which he was trying

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to usher that in on behalf of the banking dynasty families in Europe.

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Exactly.

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That he was sent there specifically to do that.

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Right.

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He was sent there specifically to do that.

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Yes.

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He was working for the money changers, as they called them back then, right?

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And, you know, there was a little rebuttal that came along with Hamilton about the fact that here, Alexander Hamilton's been put on this pedestal as this wonderful character and completely omitting all of these things that you're mentioning here.

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And the reason we can get away with that is because they've created this system that most people just don't understand or haven't taken the time to understand.

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You know, so this is why we can create a wonderful show about a man who really, if you think about what he was doing.

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I mean, it was, you know, detrimental to our society.

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And we found a way to completely forget that portion and talk about all the other wonderful things.

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But that's what we do as a society.

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You know, we do this all the time.

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we do it in so many ways with so many different subjects.

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We will completely, you know, just avoid.

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And we have a selective process of the things that we want to enlighten.

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Yeah. History is written by the winners, right?

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Right. Exactly. So there you go. I mean,

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so this is why history is so important and we need to really take the time to

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understand how things came to be, especially the money.

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the system that we live in. When I talk to people about Bitcoin, I never approach them

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about Bitcoin because I understand that's a whole conversation that's going to take a lot of time.

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The easiest way to approach them is just about the system you're currently in. Do you really

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understand what's happening to you right now? Like how you're working and all of your time is

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being devalued and taken away from you? Do you really understand that all your energy

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is just being depleted? I don't think you get it. I mean, because it's very hard for you to see,

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you know, the system hasn't changed. A dollar is still a dollar. So you think it's still worth the

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same, but that's not how it works, you know, and it's very hard. I don't know how we are going to

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eventually get there. I mean, I think that it's just going to happen in pieces and pieces, you

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know certain groups will get it sooner than other groups and then hopefully we'll get to that bitcoin

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standard sooner than later you know um we'll see how it goes but everyone has to understand that

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you are being devalued in this system you can see it in the art you see it in the architecture you

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see it in just your culture you see it and you see it in your family life you know we don't spend

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much time as we used to do as family. We don't cherish families as much as we did. And that's

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because the system has changed to the point where our value system has changed. It's hard to have

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good values on a fiat standard of living because if everything is being taken away from you,

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your time is being devalued and your energy is now being worth less then you have to spend more

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of that time producing value and less of that time appreciating the things that you've already

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produced which is your family your friends your environment this is a struggle so you you come to

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the end of your career and you've got to find you've got to pivot right you've got to figure

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something else out how else do you add value now and how are you going to build your family if if

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you're going to leave the arts if you're leaving dancing and performing behind was it an easy

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decision for you to was personal training just a natural fit for you or was this a lot of deep

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dark thinking going on?

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It was not an easy decision

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because as an artist,

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first of all,

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some artists will admit it,

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some don't.

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When the art is your passion,

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especially as a dancer,

440
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you don't want to leave that stage.

441
00:35:01,391 --> 00:35:02,451
I mean, that is,

442
00:35:02,571 --> 00:35:03,510
it's your drug,

443
00:35:04,091 --> 00:35:17,876
you know it your high And the last thing you want to do is let it go So first you have to come to terms with Father Time And that you know it you know all great things and times change and

444
00:35:17,876 --> 00:35:24,656
everything can't last forever. So then you have to figure out, all right, exactly, you know,

445
00:35:25,496 --> 00:35:30,996
how do I want to go about this? Do I want? So, you know, the normal thing to do is just find some

446
00:35:30,996 --> 00:35:37,016
way to tie yourself into the arts world, maybe as a teacher, as a producer, as a choreographer,

447
00:35:37,396 --> 00:35:42,736
being associated with some arts program that maybe you started with or you trained with at

448
00:35:42,736 --> 00:35:48,296
some point in your career. That's what most people do, teaching at a higher education institution.

449
00:35:49,676 --> 00:35:59,456
But I was trying to do a Lin-Manuel. I was trying to create another niche within the world of the

450
00:35:59,456 --> 00:36:08,456
arts. So as far as dancers, when dancers train, their training is primarily just whatever dance

451
00:36:08,456 --> 00:36:13,036
format they're doing. So if you're a ballet dancer, your training is just primarily ballet

452
00:36:13,036 --> 00:36:18,416
classes. If you're a modern dancer, you're taking ballet and modern class. So whatever that is.

453
00:36:19,156 --> 00:36:26,896
Unlike athletes, which I also attribute dancers to be, dancers don't do a lot of strength and

454
00:36:26,896 --> 00:36:34,856
conditioning outside of their, you know, training for their craft. So I knew this was an element that

455
00:36:34,856 --> 00:36:42,536
could be added to the dance world because dancers sustain the same type of injuries that you see in

456
00:36:42,536 --> 00:36:49,136
athletes, you know, ACL tears and ankle sprains and Achilles tendon tears, all the same injuries,

457
00:36:49,376 --> 00:36:55,976
you know, being worked on by the same orthopedic doctors. So why are we not doing some type of

458
00:36:55,976 --> 00:37:00,636
body strength and conditioning programs, just like basketball players, football players,

459
00:37:00,716 --> 00:37:01,656
rugby players, you know.

460
00:37:02,056 --> 00:37:13,296
So I have just been trying to create a niche of incorporating body and conditioning training

461
00:37:13,296 --> 00:37:14,076
for dancers.

462
00:37:14,716 --> 00:37:21,316
So I'm finding ways to, you know, do the calisthenics, to do, you know, the weightlifting,

463
00:37:21,776 --> 00:37:24,436
but in a way that would be more beneficial to dancers.

464
00:37:24,436 --> 00:37:32,496
Because the other thing is, you know, as a dancer, you want your physique to be long and lean as far as your muscle structures.

465
00:37:33,016 --> 00:37:34,836
You don't want big, bulky muscles.

466
00:37:35,516 --> 00:37:42,016
So when you do train, you can't exactly train the same way that you would as a football player or something.

467
00:37:42,596 --> 00:37:53,416
So I'm trying to create exercises and programs and ways for dancers to work out outside of their normal dance routines that works with strengthening and conditioning.

468
00:37:53,416 --> 00:37:58,356
me. And so that's what I've been doing. And that's what I've kind of found my niche as.

469
00:37:58,676 --> 00:38:03,876
And there's not a lot of trainers that I find in the training field that have my background.

470
00:38:05,016 --> 00:38:10,356
So this is what I've, you know, led me to work wanting to do something like this,

471
00:38:10,356 --> 00:38:15,256
and also wanted to, you know, stay physical. As a dancer, you know, I knew I was retiring from

472
00:38:15,256 --> 00:38:18,556
dance, but I still wanted to be physical. I knew I didn't want to sit down, you know,

473
00:38:18,556 --> 00:38:24,316
behind the desk all day um so this was something that i thought would be good for me and create

474
00:38:24,316 --> 00:38:31,976
a new space within my same room well how many how many of these uh dancers have you managed to

475
00:38:31,976 --> 00:38:36,576
orange pill on their way through oh you've got them head to head for an hour like you know

476
00:38:36,576 --> 00:38:44,656
do you uh are you slipping a slipping in the info not i slip it in yeah i try to

477
00:38:44,656 --> 00:38:54,756
engage them but man dancers artists you know are well see artists here's another thing about when

478
00:38:54,756 --> 00:39:03,576
you're at such a high level in your art you're you'll have a streamlined focus I mean you have

479
00:39:03,576 --> 00:39:10,156
blinders on to literally the rest of the world so not only do have they not taken to understand

480
00:39:10,156 --> 00:39:14,896
the fiat system. I mean, it's so many other, I mean, they don't even, they don't even engage in

481
00:39:14,896 --> 00:39:20,836
politics a lot, you know, some of them just in general, because they're just so focused on their

482
00:39:20,836 --> 00:39:28,296
craft. So trying to just pull their attention away from their craft to help them understand how they

483
00:39:28,296 --> 00:39:36,056
could benefit and create longevity within their craft. It's hard. I try to mention it though. I do

484
00:39:36,056 --> 00:39:44,236
try to bring it up um i try to get them to you know like pay me in bitcoin uh you know try to

485
00:39:44,236 --> 00:39:48,836
get them to see how the lightning network works you know show them show them a wallet show them

486
00:39:48,836 --> 00:39:53,176
an app make it you know make a transfer in stats you see how fast that transaction happened

487
00:39:53,176 --> 00:39:58,596
instantaneously you know but it's it's still all a mystery

488
00:39:58,596 --> 00:40:04,896
it's still all a mystery delivering touch points is all we can do right that that's uh

489
00:40:04,896 --> 00:40:09,276
Yes. Very, very important. We deliver the points and I'm going to stay at it.

490
00:40:09,276 --> 00:40:22,996
You know, you know, I'm not going to give up on them because eventually at some point they will come around because also what's happening in the arts world lately, especially here in America.

491
00:40:22,996 --> 00:40:31,016
there's been some financial issues within the smaller dance companies. Like we're noticing

492
00:40:31,016 --> 00:40:39,056
there's been a few smaller dance companies that have folded. There's been some that have, um,

493
00:40:39,056 --> 00:40:44,356
have had union negotiation problems with the dancers, like haven't been able to come to an

494
00:40:44,356 --> 00:40:52,576
agreement. Dancers have been going on strikes. So I'm noticing that, you know, within this fiat

495
00:40:52,576 --> 00:41:01,756
system, most of the dance companies are nonprofit. So they're receiving, you know, their entire

496
00:41:01,756 --> 00:41:12,476
structure is, you know, donation based. So when we have inflation, people are less likely to donate

497
00:41:12,476 --> 00:41:21,756
to contribute to charity, right? Because they have less to give. So as we reach higher and higher

498
00:41:21,756 --> 00:41:27,836
levels of inflation, the first people to feel it, the first industries that are going to feel it

499
00:41:27,836 --> 00:41:36,296
are these arts organizations that are nonprofit. And that's 90% of everyone involved in the dance

500
00:41:36,296 --> 00:41:43,096
industry and even the theater companies. So this is definitely becoming a problem.

501
00:41:43,636 --> 00:41:49,916
So they need to take the time to understand Bitcoin. Like if some of these arts organizations

502
00:41:49,916 --> 00:41:58,716
could allow themselves to create a Bitcoin reserve, they could preserve their organizations.

503
00:41:58,716 --> 00:42:01,496
They could create long-term wealth.

504
00:42:02,336 --> 00:42:09,076
You know, they could find a way to fund themselves and not need so much funding in order to sustain

505
00:42:09,076 --> 00:42:09,676
themselves.

506
00:42:10,316 --> 00:42:17,116
They really don't understand how beneficial Bitcoin is for their industry in particular.

507
00:42:18,376 --> 00:42:23,136
So I'm really, like I said, I'm not going to give up because they need to understand

508
00:42:23,136 --> 00:42:27,476
that Bitcoin is really, really, really, really, it's really for you guys.

509
00:42:27,476 --> 00:42:36,696
I mean, if there is a group of people, if there is an industry that needs Bitcoin the most, it is the world of the arts.

510
00:42:37,256 --> 00:42:45,336
Because of just how you're structured in the fiat system, you are going to be the first to feel the effects.

511
00:42:46,636 --> 00:42:49,176
Your revenue is generated by donations.

512
00:42:49,696 --> 00:42:54,476
You do create revenue through performances, but it's not enough to pay everyone.

513
00:42:54,656 --> 00:42:56,376
It's not enough to sustain the company.

514
00:42:56,376 --> 00:43:00,956
It's not enough to keep you in operation without the donation,

515
00:43:01,056 --> 00:43:03,616
without the donations, you have no organization.

516
00:43:04,456 --> 00:43:07,516
And ticket sales go down as well, right? Because, because of inflation,

517
00:43:07,756 --> 00:43:10,736
people need to, you know, restructure their lives.

518
00:43:10,736 --> 00:43:14,856
It's like the leisure stuff gets put aside because I need the basic,

519
00:43:14,956 --> 00:43:18,656
my basic needs are taking up more of my money than they were before.

520
00:43:18,656 --> 00:43:23,216
So you miss the show where you don't go to the football game or you don't go

521
00:43:23,216 --> 00:43:28,416
and hang out with some friends and go to the bar or the pub

522
00:43:28,416 --> 00:43:29,576
or the cafe or the restaurant.

523
00:43:30,576 --> 00:43:31,756
Yes, exactly, right.

524
00:43:32,096 --> 00:43:35,136
Because now you have to prioritize your needs.

525
00:43:35,636 --> 00:43:37,616
Because as humans, what do we have to do?

526
00:43:37,676 --> 00:43:42,156
We have to economize for our needs first and our wants second.

527
00:43:43,036 --> 00:43:49,176
So going to the theater is not essentially a need.

528
00:43:49,176 --> 00:44:03,256
You know, it gives us a great feeling emotionally, but it can't take away hunger, can't provide shelter, can't take care of your loved ones.

529
00:44:03,716 --> 00:44:05,516
So that comes second.

530
00:44:06,176 --> 00:44:18,976
And in a fiat standard, we're now seeing more and more people having to focus on their needs because they have less available to engage in their wants.

531
00:44:19,176 --> 00:44:28,696
you know, and we're going to just keep going until we see more and more people make a better choice.

532
00:44:29,076 --> 00:44:35,076
It's going to be up to us, the people that understand Bitcoin and understand that there's

533
00:44:35,076 --> 00:44:42,456
a better way to do it, to engage in Bitcoin, to use Bitcoin so that they can observe us in a better

534
00:44:42,456 --> 00:44:48,916
economy. So anybody listening that's tied up in the arts or, you know, have an interest here,

535
00:44:48,916 --> 00:44:54,316
they should definitely reach out to you and they can do that with orange pill app this is what this

536
00:44:54,316 --> 00:44:59,256
is why we were connected from orange pill app so let's get into that story what what what's what's

537
00:44:59,256 --> 00:45:04,216
brought you what's brought you here what got you chatting to mateo then getting in touch with me

538
00:45:04,216 --> 00:45:11,236
and how's orange pill app you know kind of helped you so i i i found orange pill app um through my

539
00:45:11,236 --> 00:45:18,836
rabbit hole journey and finding nostrum so somehow across my news feed i saw the orange pill app

540
00:45:18,836 --> 00:45:29,516
ad and um i was like whoa there is a social media platform specifically for bitcoiners and being able

541
00:45:29,516 --> 00:45:33,336
to like engage with bitcoiners i mean i thought it was the greatest thing in the world because

542
00:45:33,336 --> 00:45:41,976
at this point i had never met anybody that was a bitcoiner um since oh whoa how many years

543
00:45:41,976 --> 00:45:47,276
was that before like so you find bitcoin you start grokking it with the mining thing you put that

544
00:45:47,276 --> 00:45:58,896
side then you come back to it so so we're talking six seven years like so um yeah right so my closest

545
00:45:58,896 --> 00:46:05,176
connection to a bitcoiner is going on youtube and watching podcasts and or you know being on twitter

546
00:46:05,176 --> 00:46:09,456
or now i'm getting closer because i'm on nostril and i see there are more people that are actually

547
00:46:09,456 --> 00:46:15,316
in the bitcoin space but you know then you know seeing the orange pearl app i was like whoa there

548
00:46:15,316 --> 00:46:20,816
is an actual space where I can actually reach out to these people individually. And they're like in

549
00:46:20,816 --> 00:46:28,376
these group chats. And I just thought it was the greatest thing ever. And I got on there. And at

550
00:46:28,376 --> 00:46:34,316
the time, there wasn't a New York City group chat. So I started the New York City group chat.

551
00:46:34,896 --> 00:46:41,276
And that's when Mateo reached out to me. And I met Mateo. And then I found out he was looking for

552
00:46:41,276 --> 00:46:43,276
to help him grow the app.

553
00:46:43,276 --> 00:46:45,276
And I was like, hey, that's me.

554
00:46:45,276 --> 00:46:46,276
I'm all in.

555
00:46:46,276 --> 00:46:48,276
Like, you know, I love to do it.

556
00:46:49,276 --> 00:46:52,376
And since I've been in the past,

557
00:46:52,421 --> 00:46:54,661
I've been on the Orange Pill app a little over a year now.

558
00:46:55,561 --> 00:46:57,701
I have met so many Bitcoiners.

559
00:46:58,281 --> 00:46:59,681
Like I really am.

560
00:47:00,021 --> 00:47:00,541
In real life.

561
00:47:00,881 --> 00:47:01,761
In real life.

562
00:47:01,981 --> 00:47:07,921
Like I really feel like I'm now connected with my Bitcoin community here.

563
00:47:08,301 --> 00:47:11,261
Like, you know, and it's a growing community.

564
00:47:12,341 --> 00:47:14,881
You know, we're more engaged.

565
00:47:15,061 --> 00:47:16,361
We're having more events.

566
00:47:16,501 --> 00:47:17,921
There are events every week now.

567
00:47:18,041 --> 00:47:19,901
Like I'm hosting some of these events.

568
00:47:19,901 --> 00:47:23,381
And I know all the other people that are hosting the events.

569
00:47:24,021 --> 00:47:26,701
And this is all basically because of the Orange Peel app.

570
00:47:27,681 --> 00:47:31,141
And now we've got the zap features on there.

571
00:47:31,221 --> 00:47:33,281
And that just took it to a whole nother level.

572
00:47:33,461 --> 00:47:38,641
You know, being able to geo zap and zap people in New York and people that are 10 miles away from you.

573
00:47:38,781 --> 00:47:41,081
I mean, that was just an awesome feature being at it.

574
00:47:42,201 --> 00:47:45,281
And, you know, I use it every day now.

575
00:47:45,581 --> 00:47:49,081
It's, you know, it's like wake up, get on the Orange Peel app.

576
00:47:49,081 --> 00:47:58,721
You see who's around because I feel more connected with the Orange Pill app than like X or even Nosher.

577
00:47:59,081 --> 00:48:06,781
You know, the Orange Pill app are like people that are like I can actually reach out to like, you know, like I'm building like real friends.

578
00:48:07,081 --> 00:48:09,421
Like these are people that like I'm like, hey, how we doing?

579
00:48:10,661 --> 00:48:18,961
I've got a lightning channel with a friend on the Orange Pill app now, you know, like these are the kind of connections you can make with people on the Orange Pill.

580
00:48:18,961 --> 00:48:25,021
app that you probably even even if you would make these kind of connections on a platform like x for

581
00:48:25,021 --> 00:48:30,501
example you may be a little more hesitant right because there are a lot of bots out there there's

582
00:48:30,501 --> 00:48:36,161
a lot of spam out there with the orange pill app all right you're going to pay a small fee to sign

583
00:48:36,161 --> 00:48:41,941
up and that's because we want real bitcoiners we want people that are engaged in bitcoin and want

584
00:48:41,941 --> 00:48:48,141
to meet bitcoiners so that's nothing if you're a real bitcoiner you know you look at that as great

585
00:48:48,141 --> 00:48:54,481
this is an opportunity for me to not have to trust where I can just verify these people are real

586
00:48:54,481 --> 00:49:00,861
and they have real good intentions and it's it's it's in like you know it feels good it really

587
00:49:00,861 --> 00:49:04,941
feels good at this point you know like I really feel like I'm a part of a good community of people

588
00:49:04,941 --> 00:49:12,041
yeah I I loved the the GeoSAP uh when when Mateo was shilling uh the idea of the wallet

589
00:49:12,041 --> 00:49:18,661
I was like yeah I guess you know there's a ton of other wallets out there you know I've probably

590
00:49:18,661 --> 00:49:22,941
got them all on my thing you know what another wallet that's all I need right another wallet

591
00:49:22,941 --> 00:49:30,401
great uh but then when it was rolled out uh and ideas kept layering on top of it the first thing

592
00:49:30,401 --> 00:49:36,081
actually that was the most interesting because at that point I think there was just shy of 16,000

593
00:49:36,081 --> 00:49:42,521
members on there and he'd asked he'd asked so many of the members before you know have you ever

594
00:49:42,521 --> 00:49:48,561
made a lightning transaction just doing some kind of research like no no no no no then he sent out

595
00:49:48,561 --> 00:49:54,401
an email and you know collated all the data he was like goodness me there's like 80 of these answers

596
00:49:54,401 --> 00:50:01,101
and no never use the lightning network this is an app where the members are bitcoiners like this is

597
00:50:01,101 --> 00:50:07,801
crazy so right that point is like okay we have to build this app in the very least because this will

598
00:50:07,801 --> 00:50:14,681
be a touch point to the lightning network for all of these people and so sure enough built it and uh

599
00:50:14,681 --> 00:50:19,681
the geos app was great i actually geos app to new york i'm looking now when i was playing around

600
00:50:19,681 --> 00:50:27,881
with it 65 people were in new york on the 17th of march 2025 who got us geos app from me with a

601
00:50:27,881 --> 00:50:31,821
message saying good morning new york have an amazing week and thank you for all the support

602
00:50:31,821 --> 00:50:36,121
over the years if you haven't tuned in before please go check out the once bitten podcast

603
00:50:36,121 --> 00:50:43,401
on fountain app let's fucking go frenzy and then a link to my show nice that this is the power of it

604
00:50:43,401 --> 00:50:52,681
that you're reaching people in in such a way that you know are going to be touched to have received

605
00:50:52,681 --> 00:51:00,381
to the sats right with a nice message and then value for value might go and check out the show

606
00:51:00,381 --> 00:51:06,281
and get some extra value from the show and then send that on to somebody else uh so it's it's such

607
00:51:06,281 --> 00:51:13,461
a great such a great tool great fun a great idea i mean and yeah you can just zap people and you

608
00:51:13,461 --> 00:51:18,481
feel connected like you don't feel like it's like uh well someone's invading your space you're like

609
00:51:18,481 --> 00:51:23,461
no, what is this? I'm interested. This is an orange pill app person. Let me see what they're

610
00:51:23,461 --> 00:51:38,619
talking about I intrigued by everything that I learning from all the different people with you know different ways of thinking about Bitcoin and all the different apps you know people are putting out

611
00:51:38,619 --> 00:51:43,839
there. Since I've been on the Orange Pill app, I mean, I've seen, you know, people are writing

612
00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:52,199
books about Bitcoin and people are finding ways to transfer stats and there's a healthcare system

613
00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:53,919
that you can use for stats now.

614
00:51:54,479 --> 00:52:00,419
There is a BTC Airbnb that I found out

615
00:52:00,419 --> 00:52:01,719
through the Orangefield app.

616
00:52:02,139 --> 00:52:07,359
There is a way to figure out the value of your home.

617
00:52:07,499 --> 00:52:09,379
Is it worth it in terms of Bitcoin?

618
00:52:09,759 --> 00:52:11,939
I mean, it's just beautiful.

619
00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:12,739
It's just phenomenal.

620
00:52:12,899 --> 00:52:14,399
So many things that are happening

621
00:52:14,399 --> 00:52:17,399
and with all these people that are right there

622
00:52:17,399 --> 00:52:18,939
and you feel so connected to them.

623
00:52:18,939 --> 00:52:27,799
yeah and uh mateo's big hope was that you would take an online connection offline and actually go

624
00:52:27,799 --> 00:52:32,399
and meet in real life because that is where the magic happens and we we know that if you've been

625
00:52:32,399 --> 00:52:36,519
to a meetup or if you've been to a conference like you're a perfect example you've been around

626
00:52:36,519 --> 00:52:43,839
six seven years you've just been twitter guy or whatever uh watching the youtube channels or

627
00:52:43,839 --> 00:52:51,419
listening to the audios but and that that first time you meet another bitcoiner in the flesh where

628
00:52:51,419 --> 00:52:58,939
you are completely on the same level on with one point and that one point is the money is broken

629
00:52:58,939 --> 00:53:04,199
and this is the better money that's all you need everything else you can build up on top of that

630
00:53:04,199 --> 00:53:11,519
but that that gives you then the confidence to go forward and start building something it wasn't

631
00:53:11,519 --> 00:53:18,059
until i met real bitcoiners i started this podcast you know up until that point like you i'd just been

632
00:53:18,059 --> 00:53:25,779
lonely dude and then i met a couple of uh i met three bitcoiners in a short short time of about

633
00:53:25,779 --> 00:53:31,979
three weeks january 2020 and that gave me the confidence to go for it and start a podcast

634
00:53:31,979 --> 00:53:40,379
it changed everything like you said from one single point of of understanding there's a better

635
00:53:40,379 --> 00:53:49,739
system for us to value ourselves in. And any human that is alive, that has to economize,

636
00:53:49,839 --> 00:53:55,359
that has to survive, all want to value themselves in the best way possible.

637
00:53:56,059 --> 00:54:02,219
And the few of us that have figured it out, we found that as our connecting point.

638
00:54:02,779 --> 00:54:09,579
And we can just go and build value on top of value from there. Because now we are finding

639
00:54:09,579 --> 00:54:15,319
ourselves in a space where we don't have to worry about losing the value of our time.

640
00:54:15,979 --> 00:54:22,779
Now we can fully engage in the things that matter to us and not just doing things because we need

641
00:54:22,779 --> 00:54:28,399
to do these things to survive or get ahead. You know, that's another thing about the fiat work.

642
00:54:29,199 --> 00:54:35,479
Everyone is doing things that maybe they like, maybe they don't like, but they have to do these

643
00:54:35,479 --> 00:54:40,359
things because the system that they're in, this is the best way for them to create value.

644
00:54:41,159 --> 00:54:47,119
Well, in the Bitcoin system, you don't have to just choose the best way to create value. You can

645
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:55,239
choose the way that you want to create value, the way that best suits you. You have that

646
00:54:55,239 --> 00:55:02,519
opportunity to do that because your value is being preserved. And now that we have that orange

647
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:08,439
pill moment. We can connect. Like you said, I've met these people on the app and now I get to see

648
00:55:08,439 --> 00:55:15,019
these people face to face and we're doing coffee meetups. We're engaging and talking about building

649
00:55:15,019 --> 00:55:21,659
things in Bitcoin. I now have a Bitcoiner that I met on the orange pill app where he's trying to

650
00:55:21,659 --> 00:55:28,419
create a, you know, a way to orange pill, more merchants, you know, in our local area to get

651
00:55:28,419 --> 00:55:34,239
them onboarded to using bitcoin and he wants me to help him promote it you know i wouldn't be able

652
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:39,939
to do these type of things if i hadn't found these people at the orange fill app you know so it's

653
00:55:39,939 --> 00:55:48,359
great love it mate i love it well okay last question for you if you had one last orange

654
00:55:48,359 --> 00:55:52,419
pill left to give to somebody who would you give it to and what

655
00:55:52,419 --> 00:55:59,919
If I had one last orange for the gift to somebody, who would I give it to?

656
00:55:59,919 --> 00:56:01,719
That's a very good question.

657
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:17,556
I mean I hate I don want to sound biased but obviously you going to pick someone that you that that the closest to you Right Someone that you love you know So that would have to be that would have to be my mom

658
00:56:17,696 --> 00:56:21,056
Right. She's a part of that baby boomer population.

659
00:56:21,996 --> 00:56:26,576
And these are the people who are the furthest away from.

660
00:56:27,696 --> 00:56:33,556
A sound money system. Their entire lives have been trenched in the fiat system,

661
00:56:33,556 --> 00:56:41,916
And they're the ones that are going to have the hardest time accepting that there is a better way to store value.

662
00:56:43,016 --> 00:57:00,596
So if there was a way, you know, that for my mom and her entire generation to really understand, I know that this is what you've been taught and this is how you've lived your entire life.

663
00:57:00,596 --> 00:57:09,376
but there is a better way if you would just be willing to take the time to unlearn some things

664
00:57:09,376 --> 00:57:17,736
and learn some new things that is that is the hardest thing you can do is to orange peel someone

665
00:57:17,736 --> 00:57:23,456
who has been completely engaged to the system where they have benefited from the system they

666
00:57:23,456 --> 00:57:28,836
have profited from the system so try and tell them that there is a better way of doing what

667
00:57:28,836 --> 00:57:37,436
they already felt that they've succeeded in so that would be who i would love to orange feel you

668
00:57:37,436 --> 00:57:44,536
know love it so if if anybody listening wants to reach out dion what what's the best way to

669
00:57:44,536 --> 00:57:49,996
come and find you i would love for you to find me on the decentralized platform of nostra if you

670
00:57:49,996 --> 00:57:55,276
have not found your way there i am dion wilson on there you can find me at orange pill man on x

671
00:57:55,276 --> 00:58:02,976
or you can follow my fitness journey at body by dion on instagram so three great ways to find me

672
00:58:02,976 --> 00:58:08,236
and orange pill app on the orange pill app the orange pill app is my home base if you want to

673
00:58:08,236 --> 00:58:14,656
find me and really connect with me on a personal level come to the orange pill app yeah yeah

674
00:58:14,656 --> 00:58:18,936
excellent well thanks for coming on dion thanks for giving up some time today on

675
00:58:18,936 --> 00:58:21,676
on Father's Day all day.

676
00:58:21,856 --> 00:58:26,316
I hope you go and have a good afternoon now over in New York.

677
00:58:26,976 --> 00:58:28,676
Enjoy your Father's Day as well, Dan.

678
00:58:28,976 --> 00:58:29,676
I will do.

679
00:58:29,916 --> 00:58:31,336
The sun is still shining here.

680
00:58:31,456 --> 00:58:35,056
So hopefully we'll get a barbecue or might even break out the pizza oven

681
00:58:35,056 --> 00:58:37,396
and, you know, make some homemade pizza with the kids.

682
00:58:37,696 --> 00:58:40,436
So I appreciate you and everything you're doing.

683
00:58:40,436 --> 00:58:43,616
And yeah, hope to meet you.

684
00:58:43,836 --> 00:58:45,656
I might be in New York in October.

685
00:58:45,936 --> 00:58:47,096
So I will zap.

686
00:58:47,096 --> 00:58:52,676
I will geo zap New York if I'm coming and I'll come and see you guys down in pub key or wherever

687
00:58:52,676 --> 00:58:57,896
wherever you guys hang out absolutely we gotta do it all right thanks thanks again

688
00:58:57,896 --> 00:59:06,136
well there you go guys I hope that was an uplifting episode for your Sunday that's the

689
00:59:06,136 --> 00:59:14,796
day of release today Sunday the 3rd of August I will be releasing video version as well are you

690
00:59:14,796 --> 00:59:24,656
using fountain app hello hello are you a bitcoiner and listening to bitcoin part are you listening to

691
00:59:24,656 --> 00:59:35,816
your 40 hours per week on fucking spotify or worse youtube or more disgustingly apple pods or google

692
00:59:35,816 --> 00:59:44,336
pods these walled gardens these subscription hell holes fountain app has been built for you

693
00:59:44,336 --> 00:59:53,456
bitcoiners by bitcoiners nick gentle oscar mary they've been around for years now years and this

694
00:59:53,456 --> 01:00:01,096
podcast is now hosted by fountain i pay them by the way i'm not i i'm not paid to shill i pay them

695
01:00:01,096 --> 01:00:02,576
And I pay a subscription.

696
01:00:02,956 --> 01:00:07,036
I know I just shout on subscriptions, but this is a Bitcoiner company.

697
01:00:07,636 --> 01:00:09,496
So I have my wallet.

698
01:00:09,656 --> 01:00:12,316
It's all there, downloaded for me on Fountain.

699
01:00:12,616 --> 01:00:14,856
I receive sats.

700
01:00:15,156 --> 01:00:16,876
I stream sats.

701
01:00:17,216 --> 01:00:20,636
I've been listening to podcasts on Fountain app for God knows how long, years.

702
01:00:21,036 --> 01:00:25,756
The amount of sats I've streamed to listening to other Bitcoiners

703
01:00:25,756 --> 01:00:28,816
is just the best way for me to have that.

704
01:00:28,816 --> 01:00:34,616
If Guy Swan is reading me the latest article and I'm really enjoying it,

705
01:00:34,616 --> 01:00:38,956
and I wouldn't be streaming MSATs, I would feel shit.

706
01:00:38,956 --> 01:00:57,994
If David Bennett none of your business on his daily is reading me the news I can use and I listening on Apple or Google Pods and he getting nothing that bullshit I don know what else to say especially now especially look if you new to Bitcoin that fine but if

707
01:00:57,994 --> 01:01:05,754
you've been around Bitcoin for a cycle like fucking hell guys get over to fountain app seriously get

708
01:01:05,754 --> 01:01:12,074
some sats on that wallet and start moving these things around and yes you will even receive sats

709
01:01:12,074 --> 01:01:17,614
you will earn sats by listening to specific shows not all shows are enabled that way

710
01:01:17,614 --> 01:01:23,694
but that's just the way it works and this is how nick and oscar have put this thing together so

711
01:01:23,694 --> 01:01:30,114
follow fountain app on twitter at the very least or nostr and yes fountain app is nostr enabled as

712
01:01:30,114 --> 01:01:38,034
well so you can sign in with your nsec why isn't it not all right random thought of the day it's

713
01:01:38,034 --> 01:01:45,034
called an n pub and an n sec why isn't it called an n priv can someone explain that to me i don't

714
01:01:45,034 --> 01:01:52,614
know whatever i'll get the uh i'll get the nostril guys to explain anyway i lost my train of thought

715
01:01:52,614 --> 01:01:57,474
i was shilling none your business again right uh bitcoin and dave get over and listen to his show

716
01:01:57,474 --> 01:02:03,354
i've had him on the podcast twice david bennett or at none your business that's all you have to

717
01:02:03,354 --> 01:02:08,794
he's been around for so long if you if you're not following him you 100 should be he's released over

718
01:02:08,794 --> 01:02:15,554
1100 podcasts at this stage because he does an almost daily show he reads the news that you can

719
01:02:15,554 --> 01:02:23,334
use and he has the best riffs as well and the best rants he pulls his soapbox out at least once

720
01:02:23,334 --> 01:02:29,114
maybe twice per episode and it just gives you a different perspective to the uh to the news and

721
01:02:29,114 --> 01:02:35,134
of reports that he's using uh reading excuse me it's very much like uh at the end of guy swan's

722
01:02:35,134 --> 01:02:42,194
uh reads he gives you the guy's take i always enjoy those the most anyway that's um i'm cross

723
01:02:42,194 --> 01:02:46,614
shilling podcasts here because i love i love all my brothers that are out there ancestors that are

724
01:02:46,614 --> 01:02:52,274
out there doing um you know doing the hard yards putting in the work uh and putting this stuff out

725
01:02:52,274 --> 01:03:02,114
generally for free not everybody has i'm lucky i have a few sponsors i you know i have relay

726
01:03:02,114 --> 01:03:08,714
bitbox pay with flash they help me out it's brilliant thank you very much guys you know

727
01:03:08,714 --> 01:03:15,434
long-standing relationship with a lot of these people and um but there's nothing better than

728
01:03:15,434 --> 01:03:21,414
receiving like a boost or a message on fountain app or if you post something up on nostr and you

729
01:03:21,414 --> 01:03:27,934
can get some zaps this is what this is what we're here to do right i i can take the same tweet i can

730
01:03:27,934 --> 01:03:36,434
tweet on twitter and i can copy paste that and i can put it on nostr i might get 50 likes a couple

731
01:03:36,434 --> 01:03:41,554
of retweets some replies and some negative bullshit or you know be called an asshole on twitter

732
01:03:41,554 --> 01:03:53,034
and 7,000 views. On NOSTA, I might get 350 sats. I mean, what's better, right? And I might be told,

733
01:03:53,274 --> 01:03:57,154
you know, go listen to this or go listen to that because it's way friendlier over there

734
01:03:57,154 --> 01:04:03,274
and it's way better signal. So if you're not on NOSTA, you should be. Again, you know,

735
01:04:03,274 --> 01:04:09,794
I'm not shilling that for any reason other than I want to see this project succeed and as many of

736
01:04:09,794 --> 01:04:17,554
us move over there as we possibly can and support Bitcoin-based projects. Dave himself, he runs

737
01:04:17,554 --> 01:04:23,774
something called the Circle P, where he gets a bunch of vendors together that are selling their

738
01:04:23,774 --> 01:04:28,614
goods and services for Bitcoin. Over here, we have plebeian.market, as Chief Monkey has put that

739
01:04:28,614 --> 01:04:34,894
together. We need more, more marketplaces, more places where people can go and spend their sats.

740
01:04:34,894 --> 01:04:42,174
you know it's if it does not become a medium exchange we may as well just pack up and go home

741
01:04:42,174 --> 01:04:50,914
put our put our handcuffs on and just bend the need to ever exorbitantly higher taxes and less

742
01:04:50,914 --> 01:04:58,894
freedoms i mean what else are we going to do we need freedom money we have the freedom money we

743
01:04:58,894 --> 01:05:05,634
have the freedom tech if we are not using it then who will and we have to lead by example

744
01:05:05,634 --> 01:05:11,194
and i'm now definitely ranting and i will get off my soapbox i hope you guys enjoyed this one with

745
01:05:11,194 --> 01:05:15,974
dion please reach out to him if especially if you're going to be in new york find him on orange

746
01:05:15,974 --> 01:05:22,794
pill app send him some sats say thanks and get inspired meet people get over to orange pill app

747
01:05:22,794 --> 01:05:25,834
love you guys thank you for listening catch on the next show