Hello, everybody. My name is Daniel Prince, and I'm the host of the Once Bitten podcast.
This is a podcast focused on Bitcoin. It's my mission to interview as many people as I can
around the different aspects of Bitcoin and help people understand exactly what Bitcoin could mean
for them and for their families and for their future. I hope you enjoy the show. Thank you so
much for listening. Hello everybody and welcome to this episode of the Once Bitten podcast. Joining
me today we have Aaron and Nat and we are going to talk about the new music economy, the new music
nudge unit and Bitfest which is coming up just one week away in Manchester United Kingdom. Bitfest
is going to be an incredible event. We've got three days to look forward to. Nostashire is
going to be the first full day talking all things NOSTA and then days two and three are going to be
talking all things Bitcoin. There's going to be an art exhibition. There's going to be a music
event which we're going to talk about here with Aaron and Nat and there's some incredible speakers
lined up flying in as well. So a big thanks to some of the speakers that are going to be there
but obviously there's going to be a bunch of Britcoiners representing people over here and
the Bitcoin economy in the United Kingdom which is it's going bananas it's getting stronger and
stronger every day and it's initiatives like this that's just so great to see and a few shout outs
unofficial well done Nathan Day and the team over at BTC Maps since Square have unlocked the uh the
ability to pay with Bitcoin on their terminals and Cash App as well uh are integrating with
BTC Maps when and where they can but we need the pleb army out there downloading the first of all
download the app BTC Maps and then get along if you're able to spend Bitcoin at a merchant
that's using a square terminal you just need to update the app verify the app they've got
so many merchants coming online now and this is what we need to see Bitcoin become a medium of
exchange this is what frees us from the fiat debt slavery hell into which we have all been trapped
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all right we're recording lads good to have you on nat and uh and aaron uh looking forward to this
one so nat um why don't we kick off with you i don't think you've been on the once bitten podcast
uh i haven't um no we were supposed to do this like ages ago weren't we when you came down to
coin scrum like uh so yeah getting around to doing it uh now so yeah yeah well good to good to have
you on mate for those people that haven't heard of you before and what you've been doing in the
bitcoin space all these years do you just want to get us up to speed uh yeah i mean a quick rundown
is uh you know been a been around in the bitcoin space like just on a personal basis since around
2015 um i call that the days that i first came outside so um yeah went out to coin scrum ventured
out to try and buy myself some bitcoin and learn a bit more about the people in the uk or
what what what uh communities there were in the uk um and that led on to two years later me kind of
like uh going around uh onboarding i know now we call it merchant onboarding but at the time it was
just really speaking to business owners and um trying to get them to accept bitcoin um and uh
you know helping them to understand bitcoin so on and so forth that turned into doing a bit of a
consultancy at the time obviously I was a more out into the wider crypto space not so much focused
on just Bitcoin and then in 2021 as I started to see things really kind of going into what we
call a big mess now I decided to focus on Bitcoin and just ways that you could
ways that you could do interesting things with Bitcoin to bring in that crowd of people who were
coming in and getting really confused by like nfts and you know blockchain promise of this and
blockchain promise of that so it's like how do we uh get bitcoin to in uh kind of permeate those
industries in a way that these people understand uh the importance of bitcoin itself um and that
that obviously made me kind of like full bitcoin bitcoin only um you know so uh so yeah since then
just uh started various worked with like various different layer twos um and uh you know doing more
events obviously as well uh meetups and uh community stuff just focusing more on just how
i can bring people in from the front line with that like you know doing the events and stuff
that uh brought me around to um to running coin scrum with nick obviously for for two years two
and a half years and um during that time i was talking to nick about like other other things you
know that we could do to uh to kind of again get more more adoption on the table i have a lot of
background in the music industry that people don't really know about so um so nick was suggesting
that i should couple the things together which i'd been trying to do funnily enough since uh
i first ever discovered bitcoin you know music royalties was like went off in my head i was in
the studio at the time um and uh yeah it was one of the things i thought bitcoin could fix all the
way back then so it's kind of like coming back around full circle for me uh in that sense and
yeah just knowing that you know we are now able to use bitcoin as a creative and in creative ways
then yeah it's like how do we how do we champion that and how do we continue to build on it right
to to get the masses in so was music your your fiat career then is that the kind of not really
not really i wouldn't say so it was part of my fiat career like at the time when when i discovered
bitcoin i was actually working in telecoms so um so my kind of career has gone between creative
and technical um so yeah i kind of have a bit of experience in in everything it was only the finance
side of things that i didn't have experience in and i think that's what i've learned over time of
my discovery with bitcoin you know it's learning more about how finance works and how money works
and um you know like just literally how we can change that right so um you know i think the
freedom of aspect of bitcoin as the creative is what you know really drove me to start learning
more about it you know so um so yeah and then from there i had to i had to learn so much or unlearn
so much about how i thought money worked to actually understand how it does so so yeah but it wasn it wasn it wasn like my main bread and butter basically you know i ran a studio i was a studio engineer i done lots of
setups performer vocalists producer done a lot of different things in the music industry so yeah
right cool all right well thanks for the background aaron you've been on a couple of times
hairdresser extraordinaire and you know general bring bring the good banter whenever you're on
and run your Essex Bitcoin meetup group and build businesses in your own in your own way in your own
sector there and try I mean I know you've tried your best to try and hit Orange Pill as many
salons and studios as you possibly could over the time but now you're mixing two things you're
mixing your actual uh like daytime career and music your other love uh so do you want to explain
to people in a nutshell uh what you guys want to come on and talk about today and what you've been
doing with the new music nudge unit which is still a mouthful by the way thanks for creating such a
long title you're so welcome um well yeah obviously you know the new music nudge unit
it was kind of part inspired during covid you know um and during during the whole pandemic um
i was aware that these rails were being built on top of bitcoin you know where podcasts could
essentially be streamed bitcoin for content and you know um
So during those couple of years where we had lots of time on our hand, I thought, you know, I'm going to try and front run this.
I'm going to learn how it's going to work.
So I did actually set up my own podcast with a good friend of mine.
And it was talking about stuff that we knew, you know, it was called Salonomics.
And it's still actually probably out there.
And it was all about salon industry and, you know, how to kind of get through these times.
And it was through that podcast, you know, I would always nod to Bitcoin.
And I would always at the beginning of the show, you know, to call out what the Bitcoin price was.
And like you said, building businesses, I built one called Go Salon, which was a retail platform which enabled people to get like affiliate commissions for selling products to their clients in the salon.
But the product would be supplied by, you know, Amazon and other online businesses.
and I would encourage hairdressers rather than to take their rewards in in fiat I would tell them
to take their rewards in bitcoin you know I'll basically send them bitcoin over um and so yeah
so aligning what you know and the industry you know and trying to have some kind of impact on
um you know on on your fiat your fiat job but by bringing it into the 21st century and bringing it
to a Bitcoin kind of standard.
It's something I've been trying to do for quite a long time.
You know, I've accepted Bitcoin for haircuts, you know,
for a good five or six years.
Do you know what I mean?
Since kind of like lightning came out.
And I know every time you come back to Essex, mate,
you always pop in and I always cut your barnet
and you always send me a few sats my way, which is always good.
But, yeah, so obviously, you know, I'm passionate about both things.
But music, I'm just a massive fan and I'm just really lucky to know a lot of really talented musicians.
So the first one that I onboarded was a guy called Longy, who's a guy that I've known for like 20 years.
And we actually set up the first ever Bitcoin powered live show, which happened in Westcliff this year.
And people can watch that show. It's on YouTube.
if you search for into the value verse you can see the whole three hour show we stream the whole
thing uh live at the time it went out on podcasting 2.0 platforms and it went out on Nostra
and it was the first one to ever ever happen and I haven't been on the show since we were promoting
that show and the reason for me coming back on the show again with Nat as well is because we want
to promote bit fest which technically will be the second ever bitcoin powered show which is part of
um the music part of it nat asked me to get involved obviously after seeing the success
with our show in uh in may this year um he asked me to get involved and bring some bands
and yeah so we've got an after party which is happening in a legendary venue called factory
251 which is the same one that featured in i think um 24 hour 24 hour party people which is
all about Joy Division and the whole Manchester New Order music scene back in the late 70s, 80s.
Famous Tony Wilson. It's a great movie. If you've not seen it, you should, because it really
illustrates the whole Manchester thing. And obviously, when Nat was organising Bitfest,
he was like, we're going to do this after party and stuff like that. And obviously, it's like
a huge incentive for me to get the guys that I've onboarded or the musicians that I've got
onboarded onto a Bitcoin kind of standard, if you like, or put into the value verse, it was a,
you know, more great exposure for the normies, because what people need to realise is when you
put on a live gig, 95% of the room is going to be normies. And it will be their first time they
ever see Bitcoin used in a positive way. And that is that was one of the main things we got out of
our show back in Westcliff was the fact that the tickets that we sold on the door only paid for the
venue it only paid for the sound engineer and it only paid for the doorman so the three acts that
everybody are there to come and see on a fiat standard get zero but because we live streamed
it and it went out we raised about half a million sats on the night which at the time was about 400
and all of those all of that bitcoin went straight to the artists which meant that they were finally
getting paid for their work do you know what i mean so yeah basically that's why we're here today
here to shield a bit fest and the after party and um and nat will tell you more about the the main
show but i believe this is going to be like the first like proper bitcoin slash culture kind of
event because we've we've all we've all seen the conferences and they're full of speakers talking
about the macro this and the micro that and you know with sailors engineering anecdotes and and
you know metaphors etc we want to bring kind of art and passion to the arena because we believe
that that's the one thing that that gets kind of you know everyone's juices going and i've said
from day one bitcoin is punk every single person that's in the bitcoin space that they've got that
punk mentality and i'm i'm a guy which has hated authority from the day i was born or from the day
i probably lost my mum do you know what i mean i've hated authority who are you to tell me and
beautifully bitcoin that is the entire principle of bitcoin it's like voluntary we can you can do
whatever you want without permission and in a way i hope that we can build this space certainly the
music space so that we can decentralize music we can bring it away from the labels we can bring it
away from the distributors and ultimately we can bring it away from needing needing walled gardens
like your spotify's you know so we can decentralize music uh without permission and without needing
permission and so that no one can stop us doing what we want to do with it so yeah
right Nat let's back the ball over to you let's find out what this event is going to be all about
who's going to be showing up what kind of acts do you have how do you see it going what's it been
like putting this together what's the feedback from the artists well I mean first of all I just
want to obviously carry on from what Aaron was saying there right like the whole Bitcoin is
punk it's funny enough because me and i took about this all the time but i was on um uh was it
bo joblinski's podcast the guardians of bitcoin podcast and i was saying in her show is that like
i see this literally the same thing it's like you've got punk like especially for the uk right
because let me just say first of all one of the key things about bitfest is that we wanted to make
sure that we represented the people in the uk who are bitcoiners and are pushing things forward
primarily right and that's why we've got so many uk-based speakers and everybody you know we've
spoken to all the communities we've given all discount codes for every community you know so
on and so forth because we it's it's exactly what aaron said the conference is like a conference
but it's also culture right so we want the community to be involved we want it to be as
layman's as possible and that's what i like about all three of us being on the call because we're
all big believers in bringing it to the layman right so so i think um that's what i'll say out
the gate um but with the what i was saying on bo's podcast was is that like in the uk we have
punk culture we have sound system culture and those are the two things that have always driven
the music scene forward and always made british artists stand out in the music industry and
allowed them to build their own things independently right so um so for me this is kind of putting the
two things together and that's why it was very important as well that both myself and aaron was
because i have a sound system culture background aaron has a punk culture background so those two
things coming together like in the same place it's like literally like f the authorities right
like we're doing what we want to do right um you know and bitcoin enables that as aaron was saying
right so so with the with the event itself um there's a few artists that i've been working with
for like let's say the last year or so um in putting together funnily enough uh the fact that
Aaron calls Aaron movement is New Music Nudge Unit or Aaron project right We been we kind of I don like to say we co it because it sounds like we doing something nefarious there but we were having a meeting one day and we were like
hey, like, we really need something to really describe
what we're doing that isn't us saying,
hey, use Bitcoin with your music, right?
Like, and we were like, well, this is kind of like
not just new music ecosystem.
This is like a new music economy.
We're not like Spotify.
We're not Apple.
We're not trying to sell you something, right?
Like, you know, I always say to people,
Bitcoin doesn't sell you anything.
Apart from freedom, that's it, right?
Nobody ain't trying to market this to you, bro.
Like, you know, I'm not going to get anything out of me
spending three hours telling you how this works, right?
So in the end of the day, right,
like the thing is really just to like push
all of those elements like together
into like one thing, right?
So we started calling it the new music economy.
then I started writing articles about it and then I went and actually looked it up like I was
like halfway through I think the first article and I was like maybe somebody's used this term before
right like you know so I searched it up and it actually is a term that was coined in around I
think 1997 around like the Pandora era and it was used to describe how artists and musicians are
using technology um independently basically to create their own kind of uh you know let's say uh
sales flow or distribution and stuff like that right so it is more recently even if you read
the wiki article it will tell you it's like in more recent times it has become more about how
artists interact directly with fans right um and that's because obviously streaming error is dying
right like so so what's kind of like was a bonus for me was like oh wow like we're right on the
money like like literally yeah right like we are right on the money like because the only thing that
that that describes really is new music ecosystems people finding new ways to make money build new
platforms so on and so forth when you change the underlying layer which what runs all of this is
obviously on the fiat economy and fiat mindsets right when you change that you've got an actual
new economy right so it is like what we would say is the true version of the new music economy
and as i said with aaron calling his thing like new music nudge unit it's kind of all really
like just it's like these ideas have just come out of the blue right and and it's the same like
the other obviously i run 2140 art 2140 music but you also have 2140.wtf which is like mad monkey
and anon and those guys right and we also met on a similar you know note whereas i had kind of
thought hey if we want to bring culture into this we can't just say bitcoin on the tin it's got to
be something that's bitcoin related that bitcoiners understand but that the average person kind of
just sees it as yeah okay this is looks really cool right so you know i was running around with
the 2140 art thing and then i bumped into anon who was like hey you know i had this thing called 2140
so it was like you know everything like and we were all thinking about culture and like i said
art and community and how all of these things all go together for us to just be able to get to the
layman um so that's kind of the premise of the event right and that's how we we me and aaron have
come together and that's also the guys mad monkey and they are involved in this as well um so it all
came together off of that and then i just said okay look let's do the light let's take what aaron's
doing which is the live streaming and the live uh music element of it i mean we were doing live
music in our meetups as well but what we're more focused on is just building around education so
we started building out like an education platform which i'm not going to talk too much about
yet but um it will be uh the first beta will be ready soon so for educating these musicians
and uh maybe there'll be some gamification in there where people can earn some sats as well
for learning right um and then the guys at 2140 wtf they are obviously uh doing spreading out
the culture by doing like real underground events right like nostos muster events and
nosta london and everything else so it just all kind of comes together so the acts uh there tonight
that on that night sorry will be uh some acts that we have from 2140 music will be some of the acts
from and DJs from 2140.w2f and mad monkey will be at the premium slot on that um and then also we
have uh Aaron uh along with Longy and Ainsley Costello also has joined the lineup as well right
just coming over um and yeah yeah she's coming over um so so we've got Aaron with Fable with
longy uh the green sands we've got myself with gold uh air clips acme beats and uh andy prince
so we've got like hip-hop dancehall flavor thrown in there as well um yeah so yeah i don't you know
what like i'm excited but i don't want to i don't want to give it all away right i think if people
want to really discover what's happening right it's the new music economy after party and concert
But it is part of BitFest, which is a three-day conference
that is happening between the 21st and 23rd of November
that covers everything from NOSTA through finance,
Bitcoin culture, dev, workshops, kids' zone, gaming.
Yeah, so eight zones, five different events happening
in those three days.
So, yeah, if you want to find out more,
just go to bitfest.uk.
That's what I can really say.
yeah yeah and i shill it at the beginning of the show as well with a code bitten for a 10 discount
so for those listening or if you're listening to the ad free version you missed that so this is it
bitfest.co.uk forward slash bitten or use the code bitten at checkout and uh like nat said the codes
have gone out across all the podcasts in the uk and uh all the content creators just to try and get
as many people in the UK there as we possibly can, right?
And learning from each other and taking this thing to the next level.
And I know the guys from Prague are coming over,
Martin and Matthias Kucha, who organized BTC Prague.
They're going to be there.
And they've got a big goal this year to get as many Britcoiners
across to their event in Prague,
because they see the value of what's going on here as well
in the Bitcoin space over here.
I think it's our time to shine.
Definitely, definitely.
And speaking to those guys, I know they want to, again,
without saying too much, there's definitely a big push
for the European organizers, the event organizers,
to work together a lot more as well,
so that we have a variety of Bitcoin activity happening
in this side of the hemisphere, really, right?
Because over in the US and South America,
Bitcoin is a lot bigger than it is here.
you know, and even in the EU.
And I think in the EU, we are, you know,
facing a lot more pushback, shall we say,
from regulators against Bitcoin.
So, yeah, definitely important.
Aaron, last time we chatted and you had that event,
I remember Wright said, Fred,
that you managed to get hold of them
or they answered a tweet or something.
I can't remember exactly what went down,
but we were both very excited in the DMs with each other.
It's like, holy shit, imagine.
Can you just give a backstory why you think that's such a big deal,
what they managed to do with their music,
and any other spoilers to see if, are they falling down the rabbit hole?
Yeah, totally.
Well, the thing is, we're harping back to, you know, the pandemic era,
you know, which will be looked back on, you know, in decades to come.
like you know what what the f you know what i mean um right said fred alongside alongside you know
people like ian brown van morrison i think morrissey they were like one of literally only a
handful of mainstream artists who actually spoke out about the actual you know tyranny that that
we was all under at that period of time so they was already lending themselves on twitter and being
very outspoken about the whole vaccine mask mandates, you know, and all of that.
So it's just perseverance because over the years, over the last few years,
since obviously the whole, the new music economy, the Bitcoin standard for musicians has kind of grown.
I've found myself constantly like on Instagram and Twitter.
Whenever I see anybody moaning about Spotify, you know, these mainstream artists saying that they're not any money from their music and stuff like this.
I'm just like that kind of that one fish that's swimming against the grain and saying, no, honestly, this has been solved.
Please, you know, hi, someone noticed me, someone noticed me.
So after I was doing that with all my favourite bands, you know, from Baby Bird to Gomez, you know, a lot of these 90s bands,
which obviously, you know, they've all had to kind of go into kind of working in the fiat land now
because they're not getting any royalties from any of their music,
even though they were probably the last generation to actually make money from selling physical CDs and stuff.
So, yeah, so with Right Said Fred, I was really, fortunately, one of them saw my tweet and started, you know, responding to me.
unfortunately nothing else has kind of really transpired out of that apart from they read my
blog and they was interested in they want to see the they wanted to kind of learn a little bit more
about it and and i think at the time because this space is developing like so fast because it's free
and open source you've got people all over the world developing on top of it and you know for
the normie for the normie musician i think there's so much mistrust in an industry where for 20 30
they have essentially been extorted do you know what I mean So when anything new kind of comes along like this and it not even with the bitcoin thing it like even previously you know with snoop dog shilling nfts and and all
of those kind of like rug pulls which a lot of artists have kind of gone through you know there's
a certain element of skepticism about it and i think with doing these kind of gigs and like i
say people having their first positive impression of bitcoin and how it's impacting like normal
people and normal artists and has a potential to save music venues and pubs and this that and the
other through through how it um uh through how it essentially um just gives people the strength to
like kind of continue putting their their their time and energy into their passion which you know
when not when you look at it it's like well they're not getting paid for it how can they can
how can they continue to go through this this situation so unfortunately with rights they're
Fred I've had nothing concrete back from them apart from they were looking into it and they
needed to speak to their I don't know investors but I think I think with songs like I'm too sexy
and things like that I'd never I think they were very independent like I don't think any of those
songs were released under a label as such so I think they've always been very very clued up to
the industry and I don't believe that they you know were extorted as much and you can imagine
how much money they would have made from a song like I'm too sexy in the 90s do you know what I
mean um they're probably still earning a fortune from it today um because of how they would have
negotiated their own deal you know I don't think when they was taken on as artists they were like
adults do you know what I mean they had their own businesses and stuff like that so they weren't
necessarily open to be manipulated like like record companies would manipulate young artists
by giving them a contract which says, oh, yeah, we own 99% of everything you do
for the rest of time forever.
So, yeah, so I was trying my hardest.
And the thing is, I'm doing that on Instagram as well.
Kate Nash, I saw Garbage, Shirley Manson.
She was on Instagram the other week and someone clicked a video of her saying
they was at a live show and they said, oh, we've got some bad news for everybody.
unfortunately garbage uh after 30 years of coming and touring the states unfortunately
this is now unsustainable for us we can't do it anymore so this would be the last time you see
us in america so of course i'm straight on there in the comments google the value verse google v
for v music google it with you know we can solve this you know but of course you're in a comment
thread of over a thousand other comments do you know what i mean so it's very hard to get seen so
So hopefully we can just bring a little bit more credibility to the space.
And like I say, give normies that first impression,
that first touch of Bitcoin in the real world by, you know,
supporting artists, supporting musicians and things like that.
So, yeah, I believe it's really important.
And what I love about the whole BitFest thing is it's going to be something
for everyone.
So it's going to be something for the tech bros that are going to want the tech.
It's going to be something for the art bros.
It's going to be something who just want to want to be around Bitcoiners in real life.
Do you know what I mean? And obviously the music as well is going to solidify that the whole weekend together.
So we really hope it's just going to be the best Bitcoin conference, you know, that the UK has ever seen.
Do you know what I mean? Because because we're open to just accommodating everybody, you know?
Yeah, looking forward to seeing the art because they've got, James is going to be taking the Smash Toshi History of Bitcoin book up there to showcase that. And that'll be the first time it's ever going to be seen. And that's just a real nice nod to what's going on here in the UK, because that's a UK based project where he's, I mean, he commissioned artists from all over the world. I think it's 159 artists. I can't remember the exact number.
and yeah I'm looking forward to actually having a real good look at that thing in its final form
yeah I'm Too Sexy for My Stack would that be the next hit from Right Said Fred?
Well it would be amazing wouldn't it if we could get a mainstream band over I mean obviously Radiohead
kind of did something similar to this with their album in rainbows where back in 2007 i believe it
was their album in rainbows they put up on their website and they said you can download this for
free if you want or you can just give us whatever you want for it and i think they ended up making
something like seven million pounds in that record which is the most they'd ever made from any of
their records like put together at the time it would be amazing if tom york could just release
a single put it out in the b4v space because like i say not only would we all be all over that
the normies would be like oh no this is exclusively uploaded to rss do you know what i mean um you can
only get it here it won't be on spotify i think that would that would give the whole industry a
little bit and not only that not from the normies perspective but of course from right said fred and
other artists would look at that and go oh hang on do you know what I mean there might be something
bubbling away over here so that's my next goal I mean I'm looking after six acts already and I
hope to like get a few more on and we was at the white paper night which Nat organized at Bricks
London on Halloween last week and that was a really good night as well and I was talking to
Air Clips and explaining to him you know using Wav Lake and how they can do it themselves and stuff
like that and like i say i'm i'm busy getting a team together because i was there with um
a producer friend of mine uh called simon um you i think you might have met yeah yeah peggy suz now
he's got his own studio so i'm trying to put a team together and me and longy actually went over
to his house last night and sat in his studio um and simon's like longy i really want to work with
you and longy's like really impressed with his setup and all his equipment and his microphone
collection and like because they're like proper nerds you know much how we talk about monetary
policy and things like that and and the writings are the writings of satoshi then pair in the
corner talking about freaking amps and speakers and microphones and all that's me as well
so yeah so so i'm trying to put a team together so i can get longy in the studio so that we can
start releasing records which has a split where Simon the producer is going to get a split Longy's
getting a split uh you know I'll be getting a split because I guess I'll be acting as like
distributor to help them publish it on online and stuff and promote it so yeah so we're we're trying
to like say we've got the record producer I've got the artists now you know we've got the the
venues on board as well they've seen how successful it is so yeah it'd be amazing if we could just
build up this little uh ecosystem from a really kind of like small small beginnings which like i
say was that was our gig in westcliffe and build it up into into an entire i don't want to say the
word industry but as a as an entire movement i'd say it's more of a movement than an industry
because the whole point of this industry is we want to we we don't want to be doing the fiat
things we want to be pushing it forward so it's in everybody's interest um to to make the best
art the best songs the best music possible you know and for them to be rewarded forever because
this is what i always tell the artists you see when you start earning in bitcoin you're going
to be earning forever yeah of course of course and that's you got some stuff to to add in there
i can see you're itching to yeah like some of the stuff that like aaron was just saying as well like
with the the different like because these these actors the the labels or the distributors they're
not in necessarily inherently bad right like there are there are nefarious actors in everything right
but uh the nefarious actors unfortunately run this whole entire industry right and and it's because
and i think they can't see it right the other people that are trying to do good things because
it's built on again that fiat mindset right so they can only look at it as we have to build some
kind of fiat way because even with that i don't knock snoop dogg or any of the guys that were doing
nfts because those guys were all trying a different way to be able to escape from what the fiat mindset
has taught them yeah it's just that they haven't got this much of an understanding of bitcoin to
know that bitcoin is that key change right so um because snoop dogg like literally like even
recently right since the nft thing i think before the nft thing he took down all of death row's music
because he took over death row records which was the record label that he came out on under took
over death row records from a strong night took down all of the releases from spotify and everything
made all of the platforms re-rate the amount that they were paying the licenses to all the artists
gave all the licenses to the artists their rights back and then put it back up again do you understand
that and he's only put it up selectively so if the artist says hey i don't want to use spotify
then death row doesn't put it on spotify right so so again these people are all trying different
things but they just haven't come across to the same realization that myself and aaron and
bitcoiners have that bitcoin is that thing right so um you know uh the most recent thing and i
literally just posted about it onto the 2140 art profile i don't know if you saw this aaron but
again, and this is one of Snoop Dogg's people,
RBX, rapper from
Los Angeles, he just actually
on the back of this whole Drake
and Kendrick Lamar thing, where
Drake has then tried to sue Spotify
for saying that they pumped Kendrick
Lamar's actual
plays during this time that they were having
this back and forth.
He lost that case, but what
RBX has done has taken
all of the evidence from that case
and more evidence
to prove that Spotify themselves are bought in their own actual platforms to create artificial
revenue. So you think to yourself, okay, but what's that got to do with Bitcoin? Again, it's not that
it has to do with Bitcoin on the surface. It's that in the background, that artificial revenue
generation couldn't happen if people were using Bitcoin to pay each other, right? Because they'd
be wanting to audit these figures. They'd be like, hey, bro, like so-and-so has got this many plays
over this guy like you know we can't see where that that's happened people would have the mindset
to already audit this stuff as it's happening rather than looking at it like now where we are
now where spotify have been doing this for like the best part i think rbx's lawsuit is like 10
years or something and he's put in a class action lawsuit so any artist that's on spotify is open
to now join this lawsuit against spotify for artificially inflating certain you know certain
things for certain artists or certain labels so it's really really really interesting it's that
interesting you know I actually made a um a kind of like uh what was I saying earlier on it was
I was saying um I was saying you know like in a parallel universe right this this this whole kind
of thing maybe it was a big thing this whole thing between Kendrick Lamar and Drake and Drake taking
them to spotify spotify to call maybe it was just a big plan really in the beginning for them to all
kind of get the record labels and spotify to expose themselves right yeah so um because that's how it
looks now right if you go and read up about this article now what's happening and this is only
literally the last 48 hours right this has happened so this lawsuit's come out so it's going to be
very interesting to see what artists are going to do now what even spotify are going to do now
because they're going to have to prove that they are not basically just
fluffing their own numbers to create revenue for particular types of artists
or labels that are invested already in their companies.
Yeah.
So don't,
don't interrupt your enemies when they're making a mistake,
I guess is the,
that's it.
That's it.
Like all I know is that like a lot of the term new music economy is going to
be searched for a hell of a lot within the next,
you know year or so as these cases start to to all come down it's the same thing's happening with
ai the ai music services you know they're all getting taken to court for like you know using
people's uh music to create generate other ai music and so on and so forth so it's going to
get really interesting all the artists are going to start saying what do we do and labels are going
to want to protect themselves and the irony of uh this kind of v4v space is that you have
you could still have room for labels and artist development and stuff but labels would have to
focus on artist development because all investment would be artist-led yeah so yeah it kind of brings
it back to what the music industry kind of is supposed to be you know somebody's got good talent
you've got another guy over here that can manage and you've got a guy over here that can do a bit
and you've got a guy over here that can do a bit of promotion and hey you know if you agree that
you know to give us this split then you know uh we'll do all this stuff for you right and the
artist can now say okay well this is the split that i'm prepared to give sorry sir right and here
sign a um you know sign a htlc contract right like on lightning or whatever right that that the
payment only gets unlocked when you've done this much promotional and then they're going to have
to prove those those promotional figures right so yeah it's gonna it's gonna get really interested
in the next 10 years, I think.
So you guys have been right at the cutting edge of this
over the last couple of years.
And I've definitely seen a little bit of frustration
from your side, Aaron.
Do you feel as though,
has it just been a case of being too early
for this last 18 months, two years?
Do you feel the tide turn?
It sounds like it from what you've just explained there, Nat.
Is it gradually then suddenly?
yeah i think so like i say i think it's just awareness you know isn't it with with everything
with bitcoin people have been sold this narrative that bitcoin is inherently bad you know so any any
normie you speak to it doesn't matter what industry you're in um you know their first
impression of bitcoin is what they've been told and i think the only way that we can change that
is by actually sit for people to see it in real life so it is going to be a slow burn
and we don't have like you know the marketing budgets of like these these major record record
labels but i think at the end of the day you know we can just keep turning up and we can just kind
of keep putting on gigs and i mean there's you know there's one thing that like everyone that
gets into bitcoin they spend the first couple of years like enthralled by it and then they think
how do I get a job in Bitcoin?
If anyone listening to this right now,
they can get a job in Bitcoin right now if they want,
and I'll tell you exactly how to do it.
So if you're into music and you like music,
you can start your own music podcast,
music radio show, if you like.
Because every single artist that put their music
into the V4V space,
they're essentially putting their music up there for free
with, you know, kind of attribution is kind of not necessary.
However, you can create an entire radio show.
And when we started, Adam Curry really kind of started this whole thing moving.
There was about 15 shows coming out of America.
And how the technology has kind of changed, you know,
a lot of these guys were like normie guys that just love music
that would just, you know, try and promote.
Well, anyway, they're creating a radio show
and they're getting a split of Bitcoin.
So if you can make a radio show,
and it probably takes about half a day to do,
publish it, put it online, get on Twitter, promote it.
You can make money in Bitcoin.
Do you know what I mean?
And you don't need any permission from that.
You don't need any permission from the artist.
You certainly don't need any permission from you or I.
You can just get out there and you can start.
So people ask, oh, I would love to get a job in Bitcoin.
this is what I've done with onboarding the artists you know I take a split from their royalty because
you know I'm I'm having to like kind of you know put put the work in proof of work and the artists
have already got the proof of work because they've actually been the student they've recorded their
tune so I would if anybody was actually interested in starting a radio show because I think there's
only five or six now that are still going on two years later you know you can earn 10 10 20 quid
per show in Bitcoin.
I mean, it doesn't sound like a lot,
but the fact that it compounds over time,
that 10, 20 quid you earn in Bitcoin today.
Like when I cut your hair at BTC Adventure
a few years ago, Dan,
I think I was cutting hair all day at that thing.
I was doing a lot of kids' haircuts
and I wasn't charging a load of money,
but I was working all day.
And I think at the time,
I earned 300 quid in Bitcoin that particular day.
Well, that Bitcoin's now worth something like 1,500 quid.
Do you know what I mean?
So I'm still getting paid.
From Bitcoin Adventure, 100%.
Yeah, I'm still getting paid.
I'm still getting paid even though, do you know what I mean?
It's crazy.
So really, whenever you-
Forgive me if I'm wrong, and maybe someone has already done this,
but is there a podcast, to your point,
is there a podcast out there whereby,
and I think there are enough artists out there now
that could warrant a whole show about this,
where a person can start a podcast,
they can bring on the one artist for that week go through some of their songs talk about the lyrics
talk about the the rabbit hole journey talk about why you're switching now to value for value the
difference it's made that's an hour and a half episode right there and how many how many active
artists out there that you could build a show around that right now um when you say active you
mean actual artists that have published their music in the space yeah i don't know i don't know
the current numbers at the moment um i don't know if nat's nat's aware i literally i literally
started that journey but i was doing the sovereign music podcast as part of coin scrub so i started
doing that journey and then um it is very difficult though to be able to balance it with other things
so if there's somebody that's dedicated to doing it though like you said like he's got literally
the time like not like i did at the time right so but if um but yeah it's not i wouldn't say
it's exactly missing right because adam does um uh boo scramble yeah there's mutton me the music
who he's he supports quite uh he's the andy prince and and and acme stuff he's got really close to
yeah quite a lot you know you got homegrown hits but what i saying is that they all they all in america you know yeah yeah yeah one for the uk would be amazing uh the americans yeah i was doing it but
look i'm i'm there's a there's a room in in my place that i'm i'm repurposing for doing a bit
of podcasting and streaming stuff right yeah so um so it's something that i might i might
reintroduced but at the time i was going and renting studios to do it right so it's like
you know right yeah yeah it's a bit of a loss leader 100 yeah you can literally you can literally
do it from your own bedroom uh you just you know like a classic radio show you just introduce the
act and you play the music and the technology is such that you you the the wallet switching
happens underneath do you know what i mean there's tools such as musicsideproject.com
sovereignfeeds.com there's all little tools but if you're on telegram and you've got any interest
in wanting to start a music show i mean what would you what would you call the music you're
mainly into is it dub is it hip-hop now i'm do you know i listen to everything like it doesn't
matter if an artist walks in tomorrow and they do country and western and they want to do something
then I'm going to onboard them and I'm going to explore their catalog and I'm going to sit there
and give them the stage manager critical view on what they should be performing, right?
Like I understand music genres, right?
All different.
But you can make an entire radio show using, you know, the genre that you love.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
There's lots of, so if you want to do a punk, I know Lightning Thrashes, that is a heavy metal
slash punk bitcoin music podcast that just plays you know fast heavy guitars and all of that
you know so I would and the thing is there's a whole community on telegram as well v4v music
just reach out to us on twitter and if you need help with the first steps what to do first there
are so many willing volunteers that will take you under their wing and say no this is how I do it
Follow this, do this, go to that site, create that.
Do you know what I mean?
So, like I say, if anybody had a spare day a week and they were passionate about their music and they want a Bitcoin passive Bitcoin income, because remember, these shows go out and once they're up, they're there forever.
So anyone like discovering them and we'd like to think more people would be able to discover these in years.
And now there's V4VMusic.com is one of the first music only players.
So whereas with before we've had to ask people, you know, download Fountain, download Podverse, you know, download all these different podcasts, 2.0 apps, which have been like very much podcast based with music on the side.
now developers are creating music specific players that you can download now uh v4vmusic.com
is the first one i believe um that i'm like well i mean wavlake have their own one but the problem
with wavlake is they're a bit of a wall gun they only play wavlake artists whereas v4vmusic plays
everybody so so yeah anybody interested um reach out to me now we can put you in touch with the
music shows um and they can give you a tldr how to do it uh you know create your own bitcoin
bitcoin economy you know create your own bitcoin earning side hustle if you like what i did want
to do um well because we were doing the twitter spaces for for quite a while i only stopped doing
them over like the past month or two since we've been doing bitfest stuff but uh we had a regular
twitter space that we were running and i wanted to move that over to fountain so it would it was
i wanted to do it though i want to kind of still do it in that twitter space style though so that
like we've got audience members and we can bring them up and um you know people can speak on stuff
but i think the reason why i wanted to move it from twitter mainly is so that we could have the
attribution to the artists and the artists you know we're playing their stuff basically from
them having it you know on v4v and then people could tip the show um you know but but i think
losing that twitter element to me is is is um where people can actually come in and new musicians
can find the show and be like hey you know like this is really interesting what you guys are
playing and you know where does it come from and then having interviews within that so i think like
I think that would probably be a better way for me to put it.
If I was going to do it, like not straight as just like a podcast.
I don't think the podcast, as I said,
it doesn't really work for me to do it as a podcast like that.
I think it would be good to have that show,
but I think people need a lot more interaction with this at this stage.
And that's why we, you know, didn't go for a show the first time
and said, hey, let's do Twitter spaces instead
and let's just run Twitter spaces.
And then we'd still be playing stuff, you know,
like off of Wavelake or all from the V4V space,
or I don't, this isn't really your flavor, Dan,
but even like the guys that are making music with Ordinals,
like we play their music as well, right?
Like, and get everybody to listen to it.
And that's something that, that's a whole other debate,
like a whole other rabbit hole, because yeah,
and I think, you know, you're going to have a good time at Bitfest
because we put you on a nice panel for this.
So, so yeah, so, and, and, and that, that's,
that's another thing like that we haven't talked about throughout the whole show i know most of
the listeners probably will be like no spam and all the rest of it but you know there is some really
kind of interesting music stuff that has been inscribed within this that really changes a lot
of stuff there as well right so um so i'm not gonna i'm not gonna knock those guys uh the
ordinals guys have found a way to do music compression better than any other music platform
or music company out there at the moment, right?
So they have actually changed the game
through their dealings with Bitcoin main chain, right?
Like, you know, in the end of the day, right?
And that wouldn't have changed
had that not happened,
had inscriptions not been a thing, you know?
So, yeah, there's a lot that's changing
on that side as well
that is going to change the actual music game
and make people start thinking,
hey, you know,
whether they are doing V4V stuff
or they're doing, you know,
messing around on the chain,
they're gonna say hey well this is a way for me to be able to uh to use money right like in an
interesting way um and that will have a great effect a great great effect on musicians man
um yeah yeah as i was saying to nathan nathan the other day i was saying to nathan like because
nathan i know nathan's pretty much anti-odinals as well right so and i said to nathan look at this
nathan like midi and regex uh uh your controllers inscribed and he was like oh wow like that is
kind of interesting right you know so so uh you know when you have things that are bytes and don't
take up block space but allow people to do creative things totally different ballgame right like it's
not it's not so much spam then right so um so yeah but we'll leave that debate for bit first yeah
yeah that's that's another level that is yeah i just want to give a massive shout out to joe
martin as well because he's really a pioneer in this space i mean he obviously performed with us
at our first gig it's then only right to invite joe martin because he was like the first one
through the wall really but he's currently over in nashville at the moment working with
phantom power media jim costello all of these guys all bitcoin but ainsy costello's dad basically
and he's over there he's managed to self-fund him traveling over there recording an album through
geyser fund and joe was very early on in pretty much getting rid of instagram and stop him trying
to tiptoe both you know both sides of the the line you know trying to do the spotify thing
trying to do the instagram thing and trying to do as far as i know now he's fully embraced
Nostra and obviously V4V Music and that's kind of where he does and not only that he's got enough
fans around the world I mean on Nostra he's got 35,000 followers which is no mean feat
and because he his music very you know Americana it's like storytelling it's country country and
folk and all of that he's over in Nashville at the moment all because of Bitcoin recording his album
doing gigs, meeting up with the communities over there.
And if Bitcoin didn't exist, he wouldn't be.
He be I don know working in some other Buddy Holly tribute band or whatever it was he had to do like before all of this So the opportunity that is there for any normie like me like you like Nat
anyone out there listening that has an appetite to want to get into the space because they love music.
I mean, we've just opened up a massive, a massive community of people because every town you go to in Southend where I live,
the talent is vast the amount of musicians out there who are who you know think their time's
gone or you know they're past it or they're not gigging anymore when i show them this
straight away their passions back up they're incentivized they can't wait they're excited
and just to see that kind of like that over the years you know the constant like bashing by
Spotify not earning any money for their art and not getting any recognition for it not getting any
dopamine from people buying their music or listening to their music or their views being
stagnant on YouTube for their latest video their passion comes back and the fire gets reignited
behind their eyes and when I see that I saw that last night when I was with Longy you know in the
studio with Simon the fact that Simon's like yep free studio time you'll we all have my and Simon's
someone that's worked in the industry for 30 years do you know what i mean used to work with people
like trevor horn these like legendary producers and stuff and he's he's willing to give longy
free studio time for a split of the song that they produce together i mean what's more equitable
what's more fair you know i i i'm speechless do you know i mean seeing seeing these um
seeing these opportunities like kind of work themselves out and like i say
like i say with with these guys that are so passionate and they're so talented
and then finally seeing hang on there is there's a way forward now do you know i mean because these
people have been beaten over the head for decades you know when it comes to music and trying to get
gigs and you imagine longy i know he'd have 500 gigs in one year um you know going to play all the
pubs and this that and the other and it's like imagine a imagine a scenario where he could play
10 gigs a year one a month but he comes away from those gigs you know a couple hundred quid up every
single time he plays i just think i just think it's it's so it's so powerful it's so positive
and um yeah i'm bullish we need to get the flight of the concords on involved mate that's such a
great show you look a bit like murray actually now i think of it murray has to better manage it
yeah no that is a great show i must admit i must admit but but like i say um yeah it's open to
everyone so um yeah if you know about it and on that point for anybody listening around the world
like you know this is free open source ideas like plug this into your own bitcoin conference or
event or whatever you're running right yeah i'd love to see you into i'd like i'm sure they must
have done this uh the sydney one bitcoin alive because you know i know daz over there loves his
music and he's close to those guys but yeah this this has to become more of a staple obviously they
had in free madeira uh excuse me in madeira at the conference over there they had uh they oh
catsman i can't think of his uh the old catsman yes it was the uh the headlining app there because
he orange-pilled himself after reading Jeff's book, The Price of Tomorrow.
And Joe played there, obviously.
Joe Martin. Yeah, that was a great event as well.
So more of this is inevitable.
Yeah, I hope so. I hope so.
Because I think it will really, like I say,
it will give the normies that first touch of Bitcoin fixing things.
and it will hopefully bring down all the walls on their normie view that,
you know, it's bad because, you know, the telly said it's bad
or the newspaper said it's bad.
So, of course, it's bad, you know.
But when they actually go and see it working, it's magic for the first time ever.
And, you know, their favourite artist or their favourite band or whatever
comes out and says, oh, yeah, no, we can go and tour now
and we actually have a revenue and we've got a viable economic model
to go and record a new album,
to go out and tour the new album.
And that's all thanks to Bitcoin.
Right, lads.
Anything else you wanted to touch on
before I ask you a final question?
Just make sure if you can't get to Manchester,
we will be live streaming the whole event.
So if you're not on NOSTA
and you don't know what NOSTA is,
NOSTA obviously is the first
decentralized social media there is.
um NOSTA is fantastic because at the end of the day I'm on Twitter with 1200 followers I'm lucky
to get a like I'm lucky for one person to see my post but whenever I post on NOSTA with my I don't
know how many followers I've got I've got a couple hundred followers on NOSTA I get instant engagement
people like it people boost it and people send me bitcoin you know for for the latest anti Ed
Miliband meme that I've just put up do you know what I mean people will send me some such satoshis
for it so if you're not on NOSTA
I implore everyone listening that's not
on NOSTA and you can get a NOSTA
login by downloading Fountain
app for example
you know there's a lot of apps now that
combine NOSTA that will give you logins
I know because
Obi was at your event and he gave
me an eCash certificate
and I opened up an eCash
wallet and it's the first time I've
got to get one from him as well he was like yeah I'm going to go and get these eCash
and I totally forgot to get one before I left
Yeah, yeah. It was a thousand sats on it, but it opened up an e-cash wallet and an e-cash for those that don't know.
It's like it's a it's a it's another is it a type of layer to my doing that disservice?
My knowledge, my knowledge when it comes to all that is like quite low, but it's a federated lightning kind of service, I believe.
And the first thing that I noticed when I saw it was not only does it go down and does micro sats as well.
So it even splits up a sat to do micro sats, which obviously is going to be important going forwards as Bitcoin price goes up.
But also they will give you a NOSTA login as well.
So that's the first thing I'd implore everyone to do.
Go and get NOSTA.
Go and reach out.
Go and start posting.
Go and introduce yourself.
Go and follow me and Dan and Nat.
We're all on now.
Yeah, so that's the first thing.
And then obviously ditch your Apple podcast player or your Spotify podcast player and download a fountain or a pod verse.
Or there's loads of podcasts in 2.0 apps, which all have Bitcoin.
It's all been built on top of Bitcoin.
So really, this is about kind of building up the amount of people that are in the space and listening and taking part in it.
Because at the end of the day, we're all participants and we all want this world to be better and to get better.
and I believe this is the Trojan horse.
Getting the music thing going is the Trojan horse,
which I think will bring a lot more people into Bitcoin.
Yeah, yeah, facts.
I'm just going to say, in the new music economy,
the artists are the industry and that's just it.
As you said earlier, Aaron,
we can't keep saying the industry, the industry, the industry.
The artists are the industry.
So it's just literally you are using Bitcoin.
you have the ability to be any part of the industry that you would like to be yeah um and
maybe that remuneration doesn't look like it adds up now but um you know depending on on how you use
it and uh the fan base that you have maybe and the mechanisms that you're using um yeah that's a
path towards a much brighter future for for artists where you can be in full control that's it
perfect mate
alright Nat and Aaron
I know you've answered this a few times
but Nat first time for you
if you had one last orange pill left to give to somebody
who would you give it to and why
I had one last
orange pill to give it to
who would I give it to and why
I'd give it to probably one of my kids
to be honest
if it had one last orange pill to give
I'd give it to one of my kids
so that way it doesn't matter what happens with me
or their mum or whatever
that they have the thing to carry on into the future with
and that's it, yeah, definitely
Nice The knowledge Yeah that is it That it Aaron you got another one yeah i got another one i would love to give it to radiohead yeah i think if radiohead came out or tom york specifically
um they're ahead they've always been as musical creators they've always been ahead of their time
they've always been massively influential over the rest of the people in the business
so to speak uh i think if they was to come out and do something like they did with in rainbows
even though the in rainbows thing didn't take off you know like not everyone could kind of come out
and do it but i think if he could somehow is powerful enough to release a song under a pseudonym
or something can then go out and talk about it i think a lot of artists immediately i mean right
said fred they'll be straight back on the phone to me do you know what i mean uh the second someone
like Tom York goes out and does it,
I think that would be the best orange peel
that I could give today.
Excellent.
Aaron's inflated the orange peel supply.
He's had three of them.
Yeah.
I have, yeah.
All right, lads.
No, no, no.
All you have to do is you take the orange peel
and you crush it up into powder
and you pop it in the people's drinks
while they're not looking.
That's easy.
That's very ethical.
appreciate you uh you're both coming on and everything that you're doing and i'm really
looking forward to catching up with you and bit fest it's going to be a great event so if people
do want to get there uh yeah use that code bits and hit that link in the show notes and get
yourself a discount come say hi to nat and aaron and all the other guys that are going to be there
it's um it's really shaping up this one uh when you go and look at the speaker list it's
it's cool and it's great that this is happening on our soil so yeah congrats to everybody involved
but uh that's it let's thanks for coming on appreciate your work you're welcome bitfest.uk
for ticket info and for the whole speaker list and everything like that um i'm at btc essex or
new music nudge unit on twitter but we're also all on nostr as well so you'll be able to find us
hanging out there and living our best lives over on Mostar.
And a quick little important note as well on top of that
for the tickets for BitFest.
If you've bought a ticket for BitFest, the main conference,
or a one-day ticket, then you have the after party thrown in.
But let's say maybe you're not around
or you haven't really got the expense to spare for the other tickets,
then you can buy a ticket to the new Music Economy concert on its own.
and that ticket does include entry to two venues
and two happy hours as well, right?
Like with free drinks, right?
And all of the revenue from those tickets,
the ones that are for concert only,
goes directly to the artists, right?
There's no, we don't even take a cut or anything.
There's nothing, right?
It all goes straight to the artists.
Excellent.
Love it.
Thanks for coming on, lads.
Have a good one.
Wicked, mate.
All the best, everyone.
See ya.
well thank you again Aaron and thank you Nat for coming on and doing the doing what you're doing
like this is the new music economy is such a great is it an idea no it's not an idea it's
what it should be this is you know it's like just taking it back to the foundation of if you are a
creator or a creative and it doesn't matter what that is it is music it's the written word it's uh
the arts and the more broader sense of the word you know encompassing everything that you could
put under that umbrella so captured so centralized uh used to push agendas
you have figures that are elevated as deities gods goddesses that we're all supposed to you know
praise and it's just it's really it's just a very very fiat weird way of well it's you know
comes down to psychological and control and uh you know the psyops that portrayed through through
music and through film and through the arts is yeah it has to stop and the only way we do stop it
is with this thing called Bitcoin that you know if you everything it touches it turns it you know
it doesn't turn everything on its head it just writes the ship fear has turned everything on
its head this this fear nonsense world that we live in at the moment so when you're sitting
around the table and with all your friends and family and you're the only bitcoiner and they
think you're going insane you're actually going sane that's what's happening the inverse
you see like this this whole clown world that we live in this upside down world that is because
the foundation of everything is the fiat money that was designed this way right this didn't
happen by accident please go and read the secrets of the federal reserve by Eustace Mullins or the
Creature from Jekyll Island by Edward G. Griffin to find out how this system was designed. It was
even designed further before that if you want to go and read the book Red Symphony there are three
great touch points for you to start really delving into this and understanding. There's another book
recently Neil Flesher came on the podcast and we went into his book which is called Modern Chains
which talks about exactly this what you know these guys came on to talk about today like how
you are chained to something because of the medium of exchange that we are forced into using
a medium of exchange should be an emergent property and human beings will naturally trend
towards and settle upon the best form of a medium of exchange that is in the marketplace and that
is undoubtedly Bitcoin. That's why this is inevitable. We're going to go through bumps
in the road. We're going to go through a lot of bullshit to deal with because people are going to
come in. Bitcoin's always under attack in one way, shape or form. There's always a vector to attack
it, but it will be the grass movements. It will be events like BitFest. It will be the new music
economy it will be all the other brilliant projects that are going on that are generally
started voluntarily by plebs for want of a better word pioneers as richard greaser
when he came on the show to talk about this um he was pushing the idea of let's change the word
plebs to pioneers because you know plebs has that connotation i know we use it tongue-in-cheek but
god damn I'm rambling
grassroots lads and lasses
please come to Manchester
come and meet these people
that are building these things
Nathan Day as I said at the beginning
he's part of the organising team here
BTC Maps is his little baby
which is just exploding
well done Nate
and you can use the code BITN and get 10% discount
and you can come along and you can
meet as many
Britcoiners as you can
in the space of 3 days
and leave inspired and leave with your own ideas
and perhaps start building your own projects.
Like I said at the beginning here,
if you want to stack sats, relay, R-E-L-A-I,
dot C-H, forward slash bitten is the place to do that across Europe.
If you're in the US, thank you for tuning in from across the pond.
Swan Bitcoin, got you.
Link in the show notes.
Self-custody of Bitcoin.
This is very, very serious.
Bitbox have got the Bitbox O2 or the Bitbox Nova.
both Bitcoin only hardware wallets
and they've been around for 10 years.
They've got you covered.
They've got great educational tools as well.
So please just hit the link in the show notes
and go and check it out for yourself.
Go and verify.
If you want to start spending your sats,
you can get over to plebeian.market
and Chief Monkey is going to be there at Manchester
talking about what he's built there.
Last I checked, I've said this a few times,
there was a sailboat for sale on plebeian.market.
so you can even buy a sailboat
then have your boat in accident
and pay with Flash
paywithflash.com
a great place for you
just to go and start your journey
into accepting Bitcoin
for your goods and services
and remember
you should not accept Bitcoin
for your goods and services
you should demand it
I'm going to leave it there
thanks for listening guys
catch you on the next show