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Hello, everybody. My name is Daniel Prince, and I'm the host of the Once Bitten podcast.

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This is a podcast focused on Bitcoin. It's my mission to interview as many people as I can

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around the different aspects of Bitcoin and help people understand exactly what Bitcoin could mean

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for them and for their families and for their future. I hope you enjoy the show. Thank you so

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much for listening. Hello everybody and welcome to this episode of the Once Bitten podcast. Joining

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me today we have Aaron and Nat and we are going to talk about the new music economy, the new music

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nudge unit and Bitfest which is coming up just one week away in Manchester United Kingdom. Bitfest

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is going to be an incredible event. We've got three days to look forward to. Nostashire is

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going to be the first full day talking all things NOSTA and then days two and three are going to be

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talking all things Bitcoin. There's going to be an art exhibition. There's going to be a music

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event which we're going to talk about here with Aaron and Nat and there's some incredible speakers

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lined up flying in as well. So a big thanks to some of the speakers that are going to be there

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but obviously there's going to be a bunch of Britcoiners representing people over here and

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the Bitcoin economy in the United Kingdom which is it's going bananas it's getting stronger and

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stronger every day and it's initiatives like this that's just so great to see and a few shout outs

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unofficial well done Nathan Day and the team over at BTC Maps since Square have unlocked the uh the

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ability to pay with Bitcoin on their terminals and Cash App as well uh are integrating with

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BTC Maps when and where they can but we need the pleb army out there downloading the first of all

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download the app BTC Maps and then get along if you're able to spend Bitcoin at a merchant

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that's using a square terminal you just need to update the app verify the app they've got

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so many merchants coming online now and this is what we need to see Bitcoin become a medium of

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exchange this is what frees us from the fiat debt slavery hell into which we have all been trapped

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nathan's also been a an integral part of organizing bitfest so shout out to uh to nathan and the rest

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of the team get your tickets guys come and say hi i'm looking forward to it i'll be there i'll be

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bringing some books alongside some books gonna do a talk so yeah host some panels really uh really

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looking forward to this one next week hit the link in the show notes use the code bit and get a 10%

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discount and if you're listening to this from the other side of the world don't worry japan has you

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covered uh 23rd of november this one's kicking off i believe just double check everything link

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in the show notes use the code bit and get across to btc japan which is going to go down in tokyo

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in a week's time don't forget to stack your sets relay r-e-l-a-i dot c-h forward slash bit and

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is the place for you across Europe.

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They now have their Meeker license.

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They can now start advertising.

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You're going to see a lot more of Relay going forward.

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Swan Bitcoin, you can use those in the US.

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Bitbox is the place for you to start

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taking self-custody of your Bitcoin.

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Please start taking self-custody.

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If you're new to Bitcoin in the last 6 to 18 months,

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my goodness, you've walked into an absolute shitstorm.

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you've got bitcoin treasury companies muddying the waters of just stacks stacks ads and stay

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humble you've got loan products um there's something going down with lava recently i hope

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everybody's stack is safe and you also have uh all of the noise going on around um these arguments

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between um like the developers and whatever else so if you're trying to keep up with all of this

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it's hard it's tough it's difficult so first of all just stack but get your stack safe get on a

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hardware wallet bitbox02 or the bitbox nova are bitcoin only hardware wallets that you can use

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link is in the show notes bitbox.swiss forward slash bitten please do not leave this to chance

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get over to paywithflash.com if you're looking to start accepting bitcoin for your goods and

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services and orange pill app have changed their name to club orange so download the app club orange

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there's 19 000 bitcoiners waiting to connect with you around the world it's an incredible tool for

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when you're traveling but it's even better if you download the app and you find a couple of bitcoiners

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just one or two cities away from you this unlocks your life because you are no longer the lonely

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Bitcoiner. This was the whole plan of Club Orange in the first place was to take your

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Twitter friends in your DMs and bring them in real life online. Obviously, it's not going to

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be the exact ones that you're talking to, but you know what I mean. You can find your Bitcoiners,

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you can find the meetups, you can find the conferences. There's some great features on

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the app. You have the GeoZap. You can just zap whole cities, whole countries. You have

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the call. You can call

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directly within the app now with each other

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and you can even do a FaceTime

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style call, but every time you tap

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the screen, you zap one sap

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at the person you're on the phone to.

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It's freaking cool. So go check

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it out and thank you so much

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as always for listening.

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Please reach out to Aaron or Nat after

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this one and get your tickets for

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Manchester next week.

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Use the code BITTON. Get a 10%

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discount.

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all right we're recording lads good to have you on nat and uh and aaron uh looking forward to this

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one so nat um why don't we kick off with you i don't think you've been on the once bitten podcast

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uh i haven't um no we were supposed to do this like ages ago weren't we when you came down to

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coin scrum like uh so yeah getting around to doing it uh now so yeah yeah well good to good to have

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you on mate for those people that haven't heard of you before and what you've been doing in the

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bitcoin space all these years do you just want to get us up to speed uh yeah i mean a quick rundown

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is uh you know been a been around in the bitcoin space like just on a personal basis since around

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2015 um i call that the days that i first came outside so um yeah went out to coin scrum ventured

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out to try and buy myself some bitcoin and learn a bit more about the people in the uk or

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what what what uh communities there were in the uk um and that led on to two years later me kind of

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like uh going around uh onboarding i know now we call it merchant onboarding but at the time it was

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just really speaking to business owners and um trying to get them to accept bitcoin um and uh

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you know helping them to understand bitcoin so on and so forth that turned into doing a bit of a

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consultancy at the time obviously I was a more out into the wider crypto space not so much focused

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on just Bitcoin and then in 2021 as I started to see things really kind of going into what we

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call a big mess now I decided to focus on Bitcoin and just ways that you could

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ways that you could do interesting things with Bitcoin to bring in that crowd of people who were

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coming in and getting really confused by like nfts and you know blockchain promise of this and

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blockchain promise of that so it's like how do we uh get bitcoin to in uh kind of permeate those

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industries in a way that these people understand uh the importance of bitcoin itself um and that

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that obviously made me kind of like full bitcoin bitcoin only um you know so uh so yeah since then

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just uh started various worked with like various different layer twos um and uh you know doing more

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events obviously as well uh meetups and uh community stuff just focusing more on just how

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i can bring people in from the front line with that like you know doing the events and stuff

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that uh brought me around to um to running coin scrum with nick obviously for for two years two

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and a half years and um during that time i was talking to nick about like other other things you

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know that we could do to uh to kind of again get more more adoption on the table i have a lot of

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background in the music industry that people don't really know about so um so nick was suggesting

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that i should couple the things together which i'd been trying to do funnily enough since uh

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i first ever discovered bitcoin you know music royalties was like went off in my head i was in

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the studio at the time um and uh yeah it was one of the things i thought bitcoin could fix all the

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way back then so it's kind of like coming back around full circle for me uh in that sense and

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yeah just knowing that you know we are now able to use bitcoin as a creative and in creative ways

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then yeah it's like how do we how do we champion that and how do we continue to build on it right

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to to get the masses in so was music your your fiat career then is that the kind of not really

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not really i wouldn't say so it was part of my fiat career like at the time when when i discovered

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bitcoin i was actually working in telecoms so um so my kind of career has gone between creative

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and technical um so yeah i kind of have a bit of experience in in everything it was only the finance

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side of things that i didn't have experience in and i think that's what i've learned over time of

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my discovery with bitcoin you know it's learning more about how finance works and how money works

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and um you know like just literally how we can change that right so um you know i think the

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freedom of aspect of bitcoin as the creative is what you know really drove me to start learning

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more about it you know so um so yeah and then from there i had to i had to learn so much or unlearn

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so much about how i thought money worked to actually understand how it does so so yeah but it wasn it wasn it wasn like my main bread and butter basically you know i ran a studio i was a studio engineer i done lots of

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setups performer vocalists producer done a lot of different things in the music industry so yeah

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right cool all right well thanks for the background aaron you've been on a couple of times

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hairdresser extraordinaire and you know general bring bring the good banter whenever you're on

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and run your Essex Bitcoin meetup group and build businesses in your own in your own way in your own

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sector there and try I mean I know you've tried your best to try and hit Orange Pill as many

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salons and studios as you possibly could over the time but now you're mixing two things you're

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mixing your actual uh like daytime career and music your other love uh so do you want to explain

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to people in a nutshell uh what you guys want to come on and talk about today and what you've been

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doing with the new music nudge unit which is still a mouthful by the way thanks for creating such a

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long title you're so welcome um well yeah obviously you know the new music nudge unit

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it was kind of part inspired during covid you know um and during during the whole pandemic um

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i was aware that these rails were being built on top of bitcoin you know where podcasts could

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essentially be streamed bitcoin for content and you know um

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So during those couple of years where we had lots of time on our hand, I thought, you know, I'm going to try and front run this.

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I'm going to learn how it's going to work.

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So I did actually set up my own podcast with a good friend of mine.

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And it was talking about stuff that we knew, you know, it was called Salonomics.

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And it's still actually probably out there.

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And it was all about salon industry and, you know, how to kind of get through these times.

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And it was through that podcast, you know, I would always nod to Bitcoin.

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And I would always at the beginning of the show, you know, to call out what the Bitcoin price was.

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And like you said, building businesses, I built one called Go Salon, which was a retail platform which enabled people to get like affiliate commissions for selling products to their clients in the salon.

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But the product would be supplied by, you know, Amazon and other online businesses.

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and I would encourage hairdressers rather than to take their rewards in in fiat I would tell them

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to take their rewards in bitcoin you know I'll basically send them bitcoin over um and so yeah

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so aligning what you know and the industry you know and trying to have some kind of impact on

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um you know on on your fiat your fiat job but by bringing it into the 21st century and bringing it

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to a Bitcoin kind of standard.

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It's something I've been trying to do for quite a long time.

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You know, I've accepted Bitcoin for haircuts, you know,

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for a good five or six years.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Since kind of like lightning came out.

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And I know every time you come back to Essex, mate,

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you always pop in and I always cut your barnet

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and you always send me a few sats my way, which is always good.

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But, yeah, so obviously, you know, I'm passionate about both things.

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But music, I'm just a massive fan and I'm just really lucky to know a lot of really talented musicians.

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So the first one that I onboarded was a guy called Longy, who's a guy that I've known for like 20 years.

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And we actually set up the first ever Bitcoin powered live show, which happened in Westcliff this year.

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And people can watch that show. It's on YouTube.

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if you search for into the value verse you can see the whole three hour show we stream the whole

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thing uh live at the time it went out on podcasting 2.0 platforms and it went out on Nostra

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and it was the first one to ever ever happen and I haven't been on the show since we were promoting

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that show and the reason for me coming back on the show again with Nat as well is because we want

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to promote bit fest which technically will be the second ever bitcoin powered show which is part of

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um the music part of it nat asked me to get involved obviously after seeing the success

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with our show in uh in may this year um he asked me to get involved and bring some bands

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and yeah so we've got an after party which is happening in a legendary venue called factory

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251 which is the same one that featured in i think um 24 hour 24 hour party people which is

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all about Joy Division and the whole Manchester New Order music scene back in the late 70s, 80s.

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Famous Tony Wilson. It's a great movie. If you've not seen it, you should, because it really

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illustrates the whole Manchester thing. And obviously, when Nat was organising Bitfest,

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he was like, we're going to do this after party and stuff like that. And obviously, it's like

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a huge incentive for me to get the guys that I've onboarded or the musicians that I've got

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onboarded onto a Bitcoin kind of standard, if you like, or put into the value verse, it was a,

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you know, more great exposure for the normies, because what people need to realise is when you

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put on a live gig, 95% of the room is going to be normies. And it will be their first time they

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ever see Bitcoin used in a positive way. And that is that was one of the main things we got out of

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our show back in Westcliff was the fact that the tickets that we sold on the door only paid for the

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venue it only paid for the sound engineer and it only paid for the doorman so the three acts that

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everybody are there to come and see on a fiat standard get zero but because we live streamed

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it and it went out we raised about half a million sats on the night which at the time was about 400

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and all of those all of that bitcoin went straight to the artists which meant that they were finally

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getting paid for their work do you know what i mean so yeah basically that's why we're here today

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here to shield a bit fest and the after party and um and nat will tell you more about the the main

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show but i believe this is going to be like the first like proper bitcoin slash culture kind of

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event because we've we've all we've all seen the conferences and they're full of speakers talking

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about the macro this and the micro that and you know with sailors engineering anecdotes and and

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you know metaphors etc we want to bring kind of art and passion to the arena because we believe

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that that's the one thing that that gets kind of you know everyone's juices going and i've said

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from day one bitcoin is punk every single person that's in the bitcoin space that they've got that

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punk mentality and i'm i'm a guy which has hated authority from the day i was born or from the day

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i probably lost my mum do you know what i mean i've hated authority who are you to tell me and

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beautifully bitcoin that is the entire principle of bitcoin it's like voluntary we can you can do

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whatever you want without permission and in a way i hope that we can build this space certainly the

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music space so that we can decentralize music we can bring it away from the labels we can bring it

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away from the distributors and ultimately we can bring it away from needing needing walled gardens

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like your spotify's you know so we can decentralize music uh without permission and without needing

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permission and so that no one can stop us doing what we want to do with it so yeah

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right Nat let's back the ball over to you let's find out what this event is going to be all about

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who's going to be showing up what kind of acts do you have how do you see it going what's it been

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like putting this together what's the feedback from the artists well I mean first of all I just

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want to obviously carry on from what Aaron was saying there right like the whole Bitcoin is

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punk it's funny enough because me and i took about this all the time but i was on um uh was it

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bo joblinski's podcast the guardians of bitcoin podcast and i was saying in her show is that like

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i see this literally the same thing it's like you've got punk like especially for the uk right

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because let me just say first of all one of the key things about bitfest is that we wanted to make

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sure that we represented the people in the uk who are bitcoiners and are pushing things forward

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primarily right and that's why we've got so many uk-based speakers and everybody you know we've

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spoken to all the communities we've given all discount codes for every community you know so

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on and so forth because we it's it's exactly what aaron said the conference is like a conference

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but it's also culture right so we want the community to be involved we want it to be as

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layman's as possible and that's what i like about all three of us being on the call because we're

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all big believers in bringing it to the layman right so so i think um that's what i'll say out

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the gate um but with the what i was saying on bo's podcast was is that like in the uk we have

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punk culture we have sound system culture and those are the two things that have always driven

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the music scene forward and always made british artists stand out in the music industry and

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allowed them to build their own things independently right so um so for me this is kind of putting the

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two things together and that's why it was very important as well that both myself and aaron was

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because i have a sound system culture background aaron has a punk culture background so those two

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things coming together like in the same place it's like literally like f the authorities right

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like we're doing what we want to do right um you know and bitcoin enables that as aaron was saying

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right so so with the with the event itself um there's a few artists that i've been working with

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for like let's say the last year or so um in putting together funnily enough uh the fact that

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Aaron calls Aaron movement is New Music Nudge Unit or Aaron project right We been we kind of I don like to say we co it because it sounds like we doing something nefarious there but we were having a meeting one day and we were like

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hey, like, we really need something to really describe

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what we're doing that isn't us saying,

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hey, use Bitcoin with your music, right?

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Like, and we were like, well, this is kind of like

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not just new music ecosystem.

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This is like a new music economy.

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We're not like Spotify.

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We're not Apple.

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We're not trying to sell you something, right?

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Like, you know, I always say to people,

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Bitcoin doesn't sell you anything.

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Apart from freedom, that's it, right?

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Nobody ain't trying to market this to you, bro.

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Like, you know, I'm not going to get anything out of me

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spending three hours telling you how this works, right?

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So in the end of the day, right,

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like the thing is really just to like push

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all of those elements like together

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into like one thing, right?

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So we started calling it the new music economy.

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then I started writing articles about it and then I went and actually looked it up like I was

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like halfway through I think the first article and I was like maybe somebody's used this term before

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right like you know so I searched it up and it actually is a term that was coined in around I

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think 1997 around like the Pandora era and it was used to describe how artists and musicians are

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using technology um independently basically to create their own kind of uh you know let's say uh

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sales flow or distribution and stuff like that right so it is more recently even if you read

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the wiki article it will tell you it's like in more recent times it has become more about how

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artists interact directly with fans right um and that's because obviously streaming error is dying

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right like so so what's kind of like was a bonus for me was like oh wow like we're right on the

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money like like literally yeah right like we are right on the money like because the only thing that

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that that describes really is new music ecosystems people finding new ways to make money build new

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platforms so on and so forth when you change the underlying layer which what runs all of this is

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obviously on the fiat economy and fiat mindsets right when you change that you've got an actual

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new economy right so it is like what we would say is the true version of the new music economy

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and as i said with aaron calling his thing like new music nudge unit it's kind of all really

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like just it's like these ideas have just come out of the blue right and and it's the same like

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the other obviously i run 2140 art 2140 music but you also have 2140.wtf which is like mad monkey

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and anon and those guys right and we also met on a similar you know note whereas i had kind of

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thought hey if we want to bring culture into this we can't just say bitcoin on the tin it's got to

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be something that's bitcoin related that bitcoiners understand but that the average person kind of

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just sees it as yeah okay this is looks really cool right so you know i was running around with

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the 2140 art thing and then i bumped into anon who was like hey you know i had this thing called 2140

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so it was like you know everything like and we were all thinking about culture and like i said

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art and community and how all of these things all go together for us to just be able to get to the

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layman um so that's kind of the premise of the event right and that's how we we me and aaron have

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come together and that's also the guys mad monkey and they are involved in this as well um so it all

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came together off of that and then i just said okay look let's do the light let's take what aaron's

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doing which is the live streaming and the live uh music element of it i mean we were doing live

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music in our meetups as well but what we're more focused on is just building around education so

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we started building out like an education platform which i'm not going to talk too much about

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yet but um it will be uh the first beta will be ready soon so for educating these musicians

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and uh maybe there'll be some gamification in there where people can earn some sats as well

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for learning right um and then the guys at 2140 wtf they are obviously uh doing spreading out

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the culture by doing like real underground events right like nostos muster events and

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nosta london and everything else so it just all kind of comes together so the acts uh there tonight

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that on that night sorry will be uh some acts that we have from 2140 music will be some of the acts

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from and DJs from 2140.w2f and mad monkey will be at the premium slot on that um and then also we

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have uh Aaron uh along with Longy and Ainsley Costello also has joined the lineup as well right

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just coming over um and yeah yeah she's coming over um so so we've got Aaron with Fable with

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longy uh the green sands we've got myself with gold uh air clips acme beats and uh andy prince

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so we've got like hip-hop dancehall flavor thrown in there as well um yeah so yeah i don't you know

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what like i'm excited but i don't want to i don't want to give it all away right i think if people

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want to really discover what's happening right it's the new music economy after party and concert

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But it is part of BitFest, which is a three-day conference

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that is happening between the 21st and 23rd of November

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that covers everything from NOSTA through finance,

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Bitcoin culture, dev, workshops, kids' zone, gaming.

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in those three days.

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So, yeah, if you want to find out more,

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just go to bitfest.uk.

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That's what I can really say.

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yeah yeah and i shill it at the beginning of the show as well with a code bitten for a 10 discount

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so for those listening or if you're listening to the ad free version you missed that so this is it

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bitfest.co.uk forward slash bitten or use the code bitten at checkout and uh like nat said the codes

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have gone out across all the podcasts in the uk and uh all the content creators just to try and get

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as many people in the UK there as we possibly can, right?

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And learning from each other and taking this thing to the next level.

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And I know the guys from Prague are coming over,

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Martin and Matthias Kucha, who organized BTC Prague.

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They're going to be there.

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And they've got a big goal this year to get as many Britcoiners

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across to their event in Prague,

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because they see the value of what's going on here as well

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in the Bitcoin space over here.

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I think it's our time to shine.

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Definitely, definitely.

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And speaking to those guys, I know they want to, again,

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without saying too much, there's definitely a big push

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for the European organizers, the event organizers,

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to work together a lot more as well,

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so that we have a variety of Bitcoin activity happening

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in this side of the hemisphere, really, right?

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Because over in the US and South America,

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Bitcoin is a lot bigger than it is here.

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you know, and even in the EU.

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And I think in the EU, we are, you know,

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facing a lot more pushback, shall we say,

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from regulators against Bitcoin.

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So, yeah, definitely important.

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Aaron, last time we chatted and you had that event,

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I remember Wright said, Fred,

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that you managed to get hold of them

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or they answered a tweet or something.

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I can't remember exactly what went down,

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but we were both very excited in the DMs with each other.

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It's like, holy shit, imagine.

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Can you just give a backstory why you think that's such a big deal,

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what they managed to do with their music,

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and any other spoilers to see if, are they falling down the rabbit hole?

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Yeah, totally.

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Well, the thing is, we're harping back to, you know, the pandemic era,

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you know, which will be looked back on, you know, in decades to come.

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like you know what what the f you know what i mean um right said fred alongside alongside you know

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people like ian brown van morrison i think morrissey they were like one of literally only a

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handful of mainstream artists who actually spoke out about the actual you know tyranny that that

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we was all under at that period of time so they was already lending themselves on twitter and being

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very outspoken about the whole vaccine mask mandates, you know, and all of that.

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So it's just perseverance because over the years, over the last few years,

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since obviously the whole, the new music economy, the Bitcoin standard for musicians has kind of grown.

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I've found myself constantly like on Instagram and Twitter.

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Whenever I see anybody moaning about Spotify, you know, these mainstream artists saying that they're not any money from their music and stuff like this.

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I'm just like that kind of that one fish that's swimming against the grain and saying, no, honestly, this has been solved.

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Please, you know, hi, someone noticed me, someone noticed me.

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So after I was doing that with all my favourite bands, you know, from Baby Bird to Gomez, you know, a lot of these 90s bands,

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which obviously, you know, they've all had to kind of go into kind of working in the fiat land now

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because they're not getting any royalties from any of their music,

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even though they were probably the last generation to actually make money from selling physical CDs and stuff.

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So, yeah, so with Right Said Fred, I was really, fortunately, one of them saw my tweet and started, you know, responding to me.

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unfortunately nothing else has kind of really transpired out of that apart from they read my

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blog and they was interested in they want to see the they wanted to kind of learn a little bit more

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about it and and i think at the time because this space is developing like so fast because it's free

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and open source you've got people all over the world developing on top of it and you know for

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the normie for the normie musician i think there's so much mistrust in an industry where for 20 30

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they have essentially been extorted do you know what I mean So when anything new kind of comes along like this and it not even with the bitcoin thing it like even previously you know with snoop dog shilling nfts and and all

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of those kind of like rug pulls which a lot of artists have kind of gone through you know there's

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a certain element of skepticism about it and i think with doing these kind of gigs and like i

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say people having their first positive impression of bitcoin and how it's impacting like normal

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people and normal artists and has a potential to save music venues and pubs and this that and the

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other through through how it um uh through how it essentially um just gives people the strength to

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like kind of continue putting their their their time and energy into their passion which you know

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when not when you look at it it's like well they're not getting paid for it how can they can

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how can they continue to go through this this situation so unfortunately with rights they're

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Fred I've had nothing concrete back from them apart from they were looking into it and they

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needed to speak to their I don't know investors but I think I think with songs like I'm too sexy

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and things like that I'd never I think they were very independent like I don't think any of those

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songs were released under a label as such so I think they've always been very very clued up to

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the industry and I don't believe that they you know were extorted as much and you can imagine

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how much money they would have made from a song like I'm too sexy in the 90s do you know what I

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mean um they're probably still earning a fortune from it today um because of how they would have

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negotiated their own deal you know I don't think when they was taken on as artists they were like

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adults do you know what I mean they had their own businesses and stuff like that so they weren't

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necessarily open to be manipulated like like record companies would manipulate young artists

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by giving them a contract which says, oh, yeah, we own 99% of everything you do

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for the rest of time forever.

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So, yeah, so I was trying my hardest.

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And the thing is, I'm doing that on Instagram as well.

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Kate Nash, I saw Garbage, Shirley Manson.

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She was on Instagram the other week and someone clicked a video of her saying

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they was at a live show and they said, oh, we've got some bad news for everybody.

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unfortunately garbage uh after 30 years of coming and touring the states unfortunately

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this is now unsustainable for us we can't do it anymore so this would be the last time you see

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us in america so of course i'm straight on there in the comments google the value verse google v

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for v music google it with you know we can solve this you know but of course you're in a comment

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thread of over a thousand other comments do you know what i mean so it's very hard to get seen so

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So hopefully we can just bring a little bit more credibility to the space.

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And like I say, give normies that first impression,

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that first touch of Bitcoin in the real world by, you know,

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supporting artists, supporting musicians and things like that.

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So, yeah, I believe it's really important.

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And what I love about the whole BitFest thing is it's going to be something

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for everyone.

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So it's going to be something for the tech bros that are going to want the tech.

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It's going to be something for the art bros.

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It's going to be something who just want to want to be around Bitcoiners in real life.

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Do you know what I mean? And obviously the music as well is going to solidify that the whole weekend together.

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So we really hope it's just going to be the best Bitcoin conference, you know, that the UK has ever seen.

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Do you know what I mean? Because because we're open to just accommodating everybody, you know?

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Yeah, looking forward to seeing the art because they've got, James is going to be taking the Smash Toshi History of Bitcoin book up there to showcase that. And that'll be the first time it's ever going to be seen. And that's just a real nice nod to what's going on here in the UK, because that's a UK based project where he's, I mean, he commissioned artists from all over the world. I think it's 159 artists. I can't remember the exact number.

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and yeah I'm looking forward to actually having a real good look at that thing in its final form

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yeah I'm Too Sexy for My Stack would that be the next hit from Right Said Fred?

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Well it would be amazing wouldn't it if we could get a mainstream band over I mean obviously Radiohead

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kind of did something similar to this with their album in rainbows where back in 2007 i believe it

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was their album in rainbows they put up on their website and they said you can download this for

406
00:35:56,198 --> 00:36:01,578
free if you want or you can just give us whatever you want for it and i think they ended up making

407
00:36:01,578 --> 00:36:05,598
something like seven million pounds in that record which is the most they'd ever made from any of

408
00:36:05,598 --> 00:36:12,439
their records like put together at the time it would be amazing if tom york could just release

409
00:36:12,439 --> 00:36:19,338
a single put it out in the b4v space because like i say not only would we all be all over that

410
00:36:19,338 --> 00:36:26,898
the normies would be like oh no this is exclusively uploaded to rss do you know what i mean um you can

411
00:36:26,898 --> 00:36:32,898
only get it here it won't be on spotify i think that would that would give the whole industry a

412
00:36:32,898 --> 00:36:37,878
little bit and not only that not from the normies perspective but of course from right said fred and

413
00:36:37,878 --> 00:36:43,738
other artists would look at that and go oh hang on do you know what I mean there might be something

414
00:36:43,738 --> 00:36:49,518
bubbling away over here so that's my next goal I mean I'm looking after six acts already and I

415
00:36:49,518 --> 00:36:54,538
hope to like get a few more on and we was at the white paper night which Nat organized at Bricks

416
00:36:54,538 --> 00:36:59,618
London on Halloween last week and that was a really good night as well and I was talking to

417
00:36:59,618 --> 00:37:06,738
Air Clips and explaining to him you know using Wav Lake and how they can do it themselves and stuff

418
00:37:06,738 --> 00:37:11,398
like that and like i say i'm i'm busy getting a team together because i was there with um

419
00:37:11,398 --> 00:37:19,518
a producer friend of mine uh called simon um you i think you might have met yeah yeah peggy suz now

420
00:37:19,518 --> 00:37:24,818
he's got his own studio so i'm trying to put a team together and me and longy actually went over

421
00:37:24,818 --> 00:37:30,818
to his house last night and sat in his studio um and simon's like longy i really want to work with

422
00:37:30,818 --> 00:37:34,858
you and longy's like really impressed with his setup and all his equipment and his microphone

423
00:37:34,858 --> 00:37:39,538
collection and like because they're like proper nerds you know much how we talk about monetary

424
00:37:39,538 --> 00:37:46,358
policy and things like that and and the writings are the writings of satoshi then pair in the

425
00:37:46,358 --> 00:37:51,638
corner talking about freaking amps and speakers and microphones and all that's me as well

426
00:37:51,638 --> 00:37:59,919
so yeah so so i'm trying to put a team together so i can get longy in the studio so that we can

427
00:37:59,919 --> 00:38:05,658
start releasing records which has a split where Simon the producer is going to get a split Longy's

428
00:38:05,658 --> 00:38:10,718
getting a split uh you know I'll be getting a split because I guess I'll be acting as like

429
00:38:10,718 --> 00:38:17,419
distributor to help them publish it on online and stuff and promote it so yeah so we're we're trying

430
00:38:17,419 --> 00:38:21,959
to like say we've got the record producer I've got the artists now you know we've got the the

431
00:38:21,959 --> 00:38:27,898
venues on board as well they've seen how successful it is so yeah it'd be amazing if we could just

432
00:38:27,898 --> 00:38:35,498
build up this little uh ecosystem from a really kind of like small small beginnings which like i

433
00:38:35,498 --> 00:38:41,578
say was that was our gig in westcliffe and build it up into into an entire i don't want to say the

434
00:38:41,578 --> 00:38:47,838
word industry but as a as an entire movement i'd say it's more of a movement than an industry

435
00:38:47,838 --> 00:38:54,158
because the whole point of this industry is we want to we we don't want to be doing the fiat

436
00:38:54,158 --> 00:39:01,258
things we want to be pushing it forward so it's in everybody's interest um to to make the best

437
00:39:01,258 --> 00:39:07,939
art the best songs the best music possible you know and for them to be rewarded forever because

438
00:39:07,939 --> 00:39:12,478
this is what i always tell the artists you see when you start earning in bitcoin you're going

439
00:39:12,478 --> 00:39:18,858
to be earning forever yeah of course of course and that's you got some stuff to to add in there

440
00:39:18,858 --> 00:39:23,738
i can see you're itching to yeah like some of the stuff that like aaron was just saying as well like

441
00:39:23,738 --> 00:39:28,858
with the the different like because these these actors the the labels or the distributors they're

442
00:39:28,858 --> 00:39:34,718
not in necessarily inherently bad right like there are there are nefarious actors in everything right

443
00:39:34,718 --> 00:39:41,998
but uh the nefarious actors unfortunately run this whole entire industry right and and it's because

444
00:39:41,998 --> 00:39:46,158
and i think they can't see it right the other people that are trying to do good things because

445
00:39:46,158 --> 00:39:53,058
it's built on again that fiat mindset right so they can only look at it as we have to build some

446
00:39:53,058 --> 00:39:57,538
kind of fiat way because even with that i don't knock snoop dogg or any of the guys that were doing

447
00:39:57,538 --> 00:40:04,058
nfts because those guys were all trying a different way to be able to escape from what the fiat mindset

448
00:40:04,058 --> 00:40:10,618
has taught them yeah it's just that they haven't got this much of an understanding of bitcoin to

449
00:40:10,618 --> 00:40:17,818
know that bitcoin is that key change right so um because snoop dogg like literally like even

450
00:40:17,818 --> 00:40:24,198
recently right since the nft thing i think before the nft thing he took down all of death row's music

451
00:40:24,198 --> 00:40:28,838
because he took over death row records which was the record label that he came out on under took

452
00:40:28,838 --> 00:40:33,478
over death row records from a strong night took down all of the releases from spotify and everything

453
00:40:33,478 --> 00:40:38,838
made all of the platforms re-rate the amount that they were paying the licenses to all the artists

454
00:40:38,838 --> 00:40:43,598
gave all the licenses to the artists their rights back and then put it back up again do you understand

455
00:40:43,598 --> 00:40:47,258
that and he's only put it up selectively so if the artist says hey i don't want to use spotify

456
00:40:47,258 --> 00:40:53,778
then death row doesn't put it on spotify right so so again these people are all trying different

457
00:40:53,778 --> 00:40:59,338
things but they just haven't come across to the same realization that myself and aaron and

458
00:40:59,338 --> 00:41:06,818
bitcoiners have that bitcoin is that thing right so um you know uh the most recent thing and i

459
00:41:06,818 --> 00:41:11,298
literally just posted about it onto the 2140 art profile i don't know if you saw this aaron but

460
00:41:11,298 --> 00:41:14,038
again, and this is one of Snoop Dogg's people,

461
00:41:14,318 --> 00:41:16,078
RBX, rapper from

462
00:41:16,078 --> 00:41:17,939
Los Angeles, he just actually

463
00:41:17,939 --> 00:41:20,278
on the back of this whole Drake

464
00:41:20,278 --> 00:41:22,098
and Kendrick Lamar thing, where

465
00:41:22,098 --> 00:41:23,898
Drake has then tried to sue Spotify

466
00:41:23,898 --> 00:41:26,138
for saying that they pumped Kendrick

467
00:41:26,138 --> 00:41:27,598
Lamar's actual

468
00:41:27,598 --> 00:41:30,178
plays during this time that they were having

469
00:41:30,178 --> 00:41:31,238
this back and forth.

470
00:41:32,118 --> 00:41:34,258
He lost that case, but what

471
00:41:34,258 --> 00:41:36,338
RBX has done has taken

472
00:41:36,338 --> 00:41:38,398
all of the evidence from that case

473
00:41:38,398 --> 00:41:39,919
and more evidence

474
00:41:39,944 --> 00:41:47,324
to prove that Spotify themselves are bought in their own actual platforms to create artificial

475
00:41:47,324 --> 00:41:53,664
revenue. So you think to yourself, okay, but what's that got to do with Bitcoin? Again, it's not that

476
00:41:53,664 --> 00:41:59,004
it has to do with Bitcoin on the surface. It's that in the background, that artificial revenue

477
00:41:59,004 --> 00:42:02,844
generation couldn't happen if people were using Bitcoin to pay each other, right? Because they'd

478
00:42:02,844 --> 00:42:08,844
be wanting to audit these figures. They'd be like, hey, bro, like so-and-so has got this many plays

479
00:42:08,844 --> 00:42:14,504
over this guy like you know we can't see where that that's happened people would have the mindset

480
00:42:14,504 --> 00:42:19,604
to already audit this stuff as it's happening rather than looking at it like now where we are

481
00:42:19,604 --> 00:42:24,144
now where spotify have been doing this for like the best part i think rbx's lawsuit is like 10

482
00:42:24,144 --> 00:42:29,844
years or something and he's put in a class action lawsuit so any artist that's on spotify is open

483
00:42:29,844 --> 00:42:35,664
to now join this lawsuit against spotify for artificially inflating certain you know certain

484
00:42:35,664 --> 00:42:41,244
things for certain artists or certain labels so it's really really really interesting it's that

485
00:42:41,244 --> 00:42:47,304
interesting you know I actually made a um a kind of like uh what was I saying earlier on it was

486
00:42:47,304 --> 00:42:55,444
I was saying um I was saying you know like in a parallel universe right this this this whole kind

487
00:42:55,444 --> 00:43:01,424
of thing maybe it was a big thing this whole thing between Kendrick Lamar and Drake and Drake taking

488
00:43:01,424 --> 00:43:07,584
them to spotify spotify to call maybe it was just a big plan really in the beginning for them to all

489
00:43:07,584 --> 00:43:15,524
kind of get the record labels and spotify to expose themselves right yeah so um because that's how it

490
00:43:15,524 --> 00:43:19,564
looks now right if you go and read up about this article now what's happening and this is only

491
00:43:19,564 --> 00:43:25,604
literally the last 48 hours right this has happened so this lawsuit's come out so it's going to be

492
00:43:25,604 --> 00:43:30,604
very interesting to see what artists are going to do now what even spotify are going to do now

493
00:43:30,604 --> 00:43:35,204
because they're going to have to prove that they are not basically just

494
00:43:35,204 --> 00:43:39,724
fluffing their own numbers to create revenue for particular types of artists

495
00:43:39,724 --> 00:43:42,704
or labels that are invested already in their companies.

496
00:43:43,604 --> 00:43:43,684
Yeah.

497
00:43:44,004 --> 00:43:45,404
So don't,

498
00:43:45,404 --> 00:43:47,664
don't interrupt your enemies when they're making a mistake,

499
00:43:47,664 --> 00:43:48,624
I guess is the,

500
00:43:48,664 --> 00:43:49,484
that's it.

501
00:43:50,364 --> 00:43:51,004
That's it.

502
00:43:51,124 --> 00:43:55,584
Like all I know is that like a lot of the term new music economy is going to

503
00:43:55,584 --> 00:43:58,504
be searched for a hell of a lot within the next,

504
00:43:58,504 --> 00:44:03,644
you know year or so as these cases start to to all come down it's the same thing's happening with

505
00:44:03,644 --> 00:44:07,804
ai the ai music services you know they're all getting taken to court for like you know using

506
00:44:07,804 --> 00:44:14,104
people's uh music to create generate other ai music and so on and so forth so it's going to

507
00:44:14,104 --> 00:44:18,104
get really interesting all the artists are going to start saying what do we do and labels are going

508
00:44:18,104 --> 00:44:23,464
to want to protect themselves and the irony of uh this kind of v4v space is that you have

509
00:44:23,464 --> 00:44:29,424
you could still have room for labels and artist development and stuff but labels would have to

510
00:44:29,424 --> 00:44:35,564
focus on artist development because all investment would be artist-led yeah so yeah it kind of brings

511
00:44:35,564 --> 00:44:40,444
it back to what the music industry kind of is supposed to be you know somebody's got good talent

512
00:44:40,444 --> 00:44:44,524
you've got another guy over here that can manage and you've got a guy over here that can do a bit

513
00:44:44,524 --> 00:44:49,584
and you've got a guy over here that can do a bit of promotion and hey you know if you agree that

514
00:44:49,584 --> 00:44:54,364
you know to give us this split then you know uh we'll do all this stuff for you right and the

515
00:44:54,364 --> 00:45:00,144
artist can now say okay well this is the split that i'm prepared to give sorry sir right and here

516
00:45:00,144 --> 00:45:05,884
sign a um you know sign a htlc contract right like on lightning or whatever right that that the

517
00:45:05,884 --> 00:45:10,184
payment only gets unlocked when you've done this much promotional and then they're going to have

518
00:45:10,184 --> 00:45:16,244
to prove those those promotional figures right so yeah it's gonna it's gonna get really interested

519
00:45:16,244 --> 00:45:17,404
in the next 10 years, I think.

520
00:45:17,944 --> 00:45:20,344
So you guys have been right at the cutting edge of this

521
00:45:20,344 --> 00:45:21,444
over the last couple of years.

522
00:45:21,444 --> 00:45:23,744
And I've definitely seen a little bit of frustration

523
00:45:23,744 --> 00:45:26,644
from your side, Aaron.

524
00:45:27,964 --> 00:45:29,584
Do you feel as though,

525
00:45:30,544 --> 00:45:32,544
has it just been a case of being too early

526
00:45:32,544 --> 00:45:35,144
for this last 18 months, two years?

527
00:45:35,604 --> 00:45:37,544
Do you feel the tide turn?

528
00:45:37,924 --> 00:45:41,064
It sounds like it from what you've just explained there, Nat.

529
00:45:42,044 --> 00:45:43,804
Is it gradually then suddenly?

530
00:45:43,804 --> 00:45:51,084
yeah i think so like i say i think it's just awareness you know isn't it with with everything

531
00:45:51,084 --> 00:45:56,804
with bitcoin people have been sold this narrative that bitcoin is inherently bad you know so any any

532
00:45:56,804 --> 00:46:01,764
normie you speak to it doesn't matter what industry you're in um you know their first

533
00:46:01,764 --> 00:46:07,444
impression of bitcoin is what they've been told and i think the only way that we can change that

534
00:46:07,444 --> 00:46:12,744
is by actually sit for people to see it in real life so it is going to be a slow burn

535
00:46:12,744 --> 00:46:18,404
and we don't have like you know the marketing budgets of like these these major record record

536
00:46:18,404 --> 00:46:23,764
labels but i think at the end of the day you know we can just keep turning up and we can just kind

537
00:46:23,764 --> 00:46:30,004
of keep putting on gigs and i mean there's you know there's one thing that like everyone that

538
00:46:30,004 --> 00:46:34,224
gets into bitcoin they spend the first couple of years like enthralled by it and then they think

539
00:46:34,224 --> 00:46:35,904
how do I get a job in Bitcoin?

540
00:46:36,444 --> 00:46:38,064
If anyone listening to this right now,

541
00:46:38,164 --> 00:46:41,184
they can get a job in Bitcoin right now if they want,

542
00:46:41,504 --> 00:46:43,164
and I'll tell you exactly how to do it.

543
00:46:43,664 --> 00:46:46,304
So if you're into music and you like music,

544
00:46:47,364 --> 00:46:49,664
you can start your own music podcast,

545
00:46:49,864 --> 00:46:51,524
music radio show, if you like.

546
00:46:53,064 --> 00:46:55,724
Because every single artist that put their music

547
00:46:55,724 --> 00:46:57,224
into the V4V space,

548
00:46:57,884 --> 00:47:00,204
they're essentially putting their music up there for free

549
00:47:00,204 --> 00:47:05,764
with, you know, kind of attribution is kind of not necessary.

550
00:47:06,124 --> 00:47:09,084
However, you can create an entire radio show.

551
00:47:09,484 --> 00:47:14,384
And when we started, Adam Curry really kind of started this whole thing moving.

552
00:47:14,604 --> 00:47:17,084
There was about 15 shows coming out of America.

553
00:47:17,644 --> 00:47:20,404
And how the technology has kind of changed, you know,

554
00:47:20,444 --> 00:47:23,404
a lot of these guys were like normie guys that just love music

555
00:47:23,404 --> 00:47:25,084
that would just, you know, try and promote.

556
00:47:25,764 --> 00:47:28,704
Well, anyway, they're creating a radio show

557
00:47:28,704 --> 00:47:30,084
and they're getting a split of Bitcoin.

558
00:47:30,444 --> 00:47:33,724
So if you can make a radio show,

559
00:47:33,784 --> 00:47:35,724
and it probably takes about half a day to do,

560
00:47:36,244 --> 00:47:39,924
publish it, put it online, get on Twitter, promote it.

561
00:47:40,564 --> 00:47:42,784
You can make money in Bitcoin.

562
00:47:42,984 --> 00:47:43,564
Do you know what I mean?

563
00:47:43,664 --> 00:47:45,264
And you don't need any permission from that.

564
00:47:45,324 --> 00:47:46,864
You don't need any permission from the artist.

565
00:47:47,024 --> 00:47:49,304
You certainly don't need any permission from you or I.

566
00:47:49,844 --> 00:47:52,204
You can just get out there and you can start.

567
00:47:52,324 --> 00:47:55,264
So people ask, oh, I would love to get a job in Bitcoin.

568
00:47:55,264 --> 00:48:02,024
this is what I've done with onboarding the artists you know I take a split from their royalty because

569
00:48:02,024 --> 00:48:07,164
you know I'm I'm having to like kind of you know put put the work in proof of work and the artists

570
00:48:07,164 --> 00:48:10,804
have already got the proof of work because they've actually been the student they've recorded their

571
00:48:10,804 --> 00:48:16,764
tune so I would if anybody was actually interested in starting a radio show because I think there's

572
00:48:16,764 --> 00:48:24,224
only five or six now that are still going on two years later you know you can earn 10 10 20 quid

573
00:48:24,224 --> 00:48:26,244
per show in Bitcoin.

574
00:48:26,544 --> 00:48:28,104
I mean, it doesn't sound like a lot,

575
00:48:28,224 --> 00:48:30,104
but the fact that it compounds over time,

576
00:48:30,164 --> 00:48:32,424
that 10, 20 quid you earn in Bitcoin today.

577
00:48:32,864 --> 00:48:35,264
Like when I cut your hair at BTC Adventure

578
00:48:35,264 --> 00:48:36,624
a few years ago, Dan,

579
00:48:37,064 --> 00:48:40,004
I think I was cutting hair all day at that thing.

580
00:48:40,544 --> 00:48:42,884
I was doing a lot of kids' haircuts

581
00:48:42,884 --> 00:48:44,424
and I wasn't charging a load of money,

582
00:48:44,564 --> 00:48:45,664
but I was working all day.

583
00:48:45,744 --> 00:48:46,764
And I think at the time,

584
00:48:46,944 --> 00:48:49,764
I earned 300 quid in Bitcoin that particular day.

585
00:48:50,344 --> 00:48:54,184
Well, that Bitcoin's now worth something like 1,500 quid.

586
00:48:54,224 --> 00:48:54,764
Do you know what I mean?

587
00:48:54,844 --> 00:48:56,124
So I'm still getting paid.

588
00:48:56,144 --> 00:48:57,904
From Bitcoin Adventure, 100%.

589
00:48:57,904 --> 00:48:59,764
Yeah, I'm still getting paid.

590
00:48:59,824 --> 00:49:02,764
I'm still getting paid even though, do you know what I mean?

591
00:49:03,084 --> 00:49:03,924
It's crazy.

592
00:49:04,364 --> 00:49:05,764
So really, whenever you-

593
00:49:05,764 --> 00:49:09,084
Forgive me if I'm wrong, and maybe someone has already done this,

594
00:49:09,144 --> 00:49:10,524
but is there a podcast, to your point,

595
00:49:10,524 --> 00:49:12,644
is there a podcast out there whereby,

596
00:49:13,044 --> 00:49:16,884
and I think there are enough artists out there now

597
00:49:16,884 --> 00:49:19,284
that could warrant a whole show about this,

598
00:49:19,464 --> 00:49:21,964
where a person can start a podcast,

599
00:49:21,964 --> 00:49:28,144
they can bring on the one artist for that week go through some of their songs talk about the lyrics

600
00:49:28,144 --> 00:49:33,764
talk about the the rabbit hole journey talk about why you're switching now to value for value the

601
00:49:33,764 --> 00:49:40,244
difference it's made that's an hour and a half episode right there and how many how many active

602
00:49:40,244 --> 00:49:46,744
artists out there that you could build a show around that right now um when you say active you

603
00:49:46,744 --> 00:49:53,164
mean actual artists that have published their music in the space yeah i don't know i don't know

604
00:49:53,164 --> 00:50:00,664
the current numbers at the moment um i don't know if nat's nat's aware i literally i literally

605
00:50:00,664 --> 00:50:05,944
started that journey but i was doing the sovereign music podcast as part of coin scrub so i started

606
00:50:05,944 --> 00:50:12,464
doing that journey and then um it is very difficult though to be able to balance it with other things

607
00:50:12,464 --> 00:50:16,844
so if there's somebody that's dedicated to doing it though like you said like he's got literally

608
00:50:16,844 --> 00:50:23,984
the time like not like i did at the time right so but if um but yeah it's not i wouldn't say

609
00:50:23,984 --> 00:50:30,144
it's exactly missing right because adam does um uh boo scramble yeah there's mutton me the music

610
00:50:30,144 --> 00:50:35,024
who he's he supports quite uh he's the andy prince and and and acme stuff he's got really close to

611
00:50:35,024 --> 00:50:49,076
yeah quite a lot you know you got homegrown hits but what i saying is that they all they all in america you know yeah yeah yeah one for the uk would be amazing uh the americans yeah i was doing it but

612
00:50:49,076 --> 00:50:55,115
look i'm i'm there's a there's a room in in my place that i'm i'm repurposing for doing a bit

613
00:50:55,115 --> 00:51:01,196
of podcasting and streaming stuff right yeah so um so it's something that i might i might

614
00:51:01,196 --> 00:51:06,295
reintroduced but at the time i was going and renting studios to do it right so it's like

615
00:51:06,295 --> 00:51:15,475
you know right yeah yeah it's a bit of a loss leader 100 yeah you can literally you can literally

616
00:51:15,475 --> 00:51:21,355
do it from your own bedroom uh you just you know like a classic radio show you just introduce the

617
00:51:21,355 --> 00:51:27,415
act and you play the music and the technology is such that you you the the wallet switching

618
00:51:27,415 --> 00:51:32,896
happens underneath do you know what i mean there's tools such as musicsideproject.com

619
00:51:32,896 --> 00:51:39,275
sovereignfeeds.com there's all little tools but if you're on telegram and you've got any interest

620
00:51:39,275 --> 00:51:44,475
in wanting to start a music show i mean what would you what would you call the music you're

621
00:51:44,475 --> 00:51:50,016
mainly into is it dub is it hip-hop now i'm do you know i listen to everything like it doesn't

622
00:51:50,016 --> 00:51:55,215
matter if an artist walks in tomorrow and they do country and western and they want to do something

623
00:51:55,215 --> 00:51:59,256
then I'm going to onboard them and I'm going to explore their catalog and I'm going to sit there

624
00:51:59,256 --> 00:52:04,655
and give them the stage manager critical view on what they should be performing, right?

625
00:52:04,795 --> 00:52:07,415
Like I understand music genres, right?

626
00:52:07,516 --> 00:52:07,816
All different.

627
00:52:08,675 --> 00:52:13,875
But you can make an entire radio show using, you know, the genre that you love.

628
00:52:13,955 --> 00:52:14,615
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

629
00:52:15,316 --> 00:52:20,495
There's lots of, so if you want to do a punk, I know Lightning Thrashes, that is a heavy metal

630
00:52:20,495 --> 00:52:28,275
slash punk bitcoin music podcast that just plays you know fast heavy guitars and all of that

631
00:52:28,275 --> 00:52:36,955
you know so I would and the thing is there's a whole community on telegram as well v4v music

632
00:52:36,955 --> 00:52:43,235
just reach out to us on twitter and if you need help with the first steps what to do first there

633
00:52:43,235 --> 00:52:48,935
are so many willing volunteers that will take you under their wing and say no this is how I do it

634
00:52:48,935 --> 00:52:51,975
Follow this, do this, go to that site, create that.

635
00:52:52,175 --> 00:52:52,675
Do you know what I mean?

636
00:52:52,835 --> 00:53:06,696
So, like I say, if anybody had a spare day a week and they were passionate about their music and they want a Bitcoin passive Bitcoin income, because remember, these shows go out and once they're up, they're there forever.

637
00:53:06,696 --> 00:53:12,696
So anyone like discovering them and we'd like to think more people would be able to discover these in years.

638
00:53:12,696 --> 00:53:21,276
And now there's V4VMusic.com is one of the first music only players.

639
00:53:21,276 --> 00:53:34,835
So whereas with before we've had to ask people, you know, download Fountain, download Podverse, you know, download all these different podcasts, 2.0 apps, which have been like very much podcast based with music on the side.

640
00:53:34,835 --> 00:53:44,795
now developers are creating music specific players that you can download now uh v4vmusic.com

641
00:53:44,795 --> 00:53:50,095
is the first one i believe um that i'm like well i mean wavlake have their own one but the problem

642
00:53:50,095 --> 00:53:57,816
with wavlake is they're a bit of a wall gun they only play wavlake artists whereas v4vmusic plays

643
00:53:57,816 --> 00:54:05,256
everybody so so yeah anybody interested um reach out to me now we can put you in touch with the

644
00:54:05,256 --> 00:54:12,675
music shows um and they can give you a tldr how to do it uh you know create your own bitcoin

645
00:54:12,675 --> 00:54:20,375
bitcoin economy you know create your own bitcoin earning side hustle if you like what i did want

646
00:54:20,375 --> 00:54:26,095
to do um well because we were doing the twitter spaces for for quite a while i only stopped doing

647
00:54:26,095 --> 00:54:31,615
them over like the past month or two since we've been doing bitfest stuff but uh we had a regular

648
00:54:31,615 --> 00:54:37,655
twitter space that we were running and i wanted to move that over to fountain so it would it was

649
00:54:37,655 --> 00:54:43,075
i wanted to do it though i want to kind of still do it in that twitter space style though so that

650
00:54:43,075 --> 00:54:49,615
like we've got audience members and we can bring them up and um you know people can speak on stuff

651
00:54:49,615 --> 00:54:55,055
but i think the reason why i wanted to move it from twitter mainly is so that we could have the

652
00:54:55,055 --> 00:54:59,175
attribution to the artists and the artists you know we're playing their stuff basically from

653
00:54:59,175 --> 00:55:06,095
them having it you know on v4v and then people could tip the show um you know but but i think

654
00:55:06,095 --> 00:55:12,016
losing that twitter element to me is is is um where people can actually come in and new musicians

655
00:55:12,016 --> 00:55:15,935
can find the show and be like hey you know like this is really interesting what you guys are

656
00:55:15,935 --> 00:55:20,935
playing and you know where does it come from and then having interviews within that so i think like

657
00:55:20,935 --> 00:55:24,615
I think that would probably be a better way for me to put it.

658
00:55:25,095 --> 00:55:28,875
If I was going to do it, like not straight as just like a podcast.

659
00:55:29,016 --> 00:55:30,955
I don't think the podcast, as I said,

660
00:55:30,995 --> 00:55:33,756
it doesn't really work for me to do it as a podcast like that.

661
00:55:33,795 --> 00:55:35,415
I think it would be good to have that show,

662
00:55:35,896 --> 00:55:41,055
but I think people need a lot more interaction with this at this stage.

663
00:55:41,175 --> 00:55:43,995
And that's why we, you know, didn't go for a show the first time

664
00:55:43,995 --> 00:55:45,915
and said, hey, let's do Twitter spaces instead

665
00:55:45,915 --> 00:55:47,735
and let's just run Twitter spaces.

666
00:55:48,256 --> 00:55:49,756
And then we'd still be playing stuff, you know,

667
00:55:49,756 --> 00:55:53,435
like off of Wavelake or all from the V4V space,

668
00:55:53,435 --> 00:55:56,355
or I don't, this isn't really your flavor, Dan,

669
00:55:56,435 --> 00:55:58,955
but even like the guys that are making music with Ordinals,

670
00:55:59,055 --> 00:56:00,835
like we play their music as well, right?

671
00:56:00,975 --> 00:56:03,535
Like, and get everybody to listen to it.

672
00:56:03,656 --> 00:56:05,735
And that's something that, that's a whole other debate,

673
00:56:05,855 --> 00:56:08,435
like a whole other rabbit hole, because yeah,

674
00:56:08,555 --> 00:56:11,295
and I think, you know, you're going to have a good time at Bitfest

675
00:56:11,295 --> 00:56:13,215
because we put you on a nice panel for this.

676
00:56:15,016 --> 00:56:18,375
So, so yeah, so, and, and, and that, that's,

677
00:56:18,375 --> 00:56:21,615
that's another thing like that we haven't talked about throughout the whole show i know most of

678
00:56:21,615 --> 00:56:26,695
the listeners probably will be like no spam and all the rest of it but you know there is some really

679
00:56:26,695 --> 00:56:33,516
kind of interesting music stuff that has been inscribed within this that really changes a lot

680
00:56:33,516 --> 00:56:39,175
of stuff there as well right so um so i'm not gonna i'm not gonna knock those guys uh the

681
00:56:39,175 --> 00:56:44,435
ordinals guys have found a way to do music compression better than any other music platform

682
00:56:44,435 --> 00:56:47,335
or music company out there at the moment, right?

683
00:56:47,455 --> 00:56:49,896
So they have actually changed the game

684
00:56:49,896 --> 00:56:53,055
through their dealings with Bitcoin main chain, right?

685
00:56:53,136 --> 00:56:54,675
Like, you know, in the end of the day, right?

686
00:56:54,735 --> 00:56:56,016
And that wouldn't have changed

687
00:56:56,016 --> 00:56:58,335
had that not happened,

688
00:56:58,415 --> 00:57:00,095
had inscriptions not been a thing, you know?

689
00:57:00,276 --> 00:57:03,955
So, yeah, there's a lot that's changing

690
00:57:03,955 --> 00:57:04,915
on that side as well

691
00:57:04,915 --> 00:57:06,855
that is going to change the actual music game

692
00:57:06,855 --> 00:57:08,396
and make people start thinking,

693
00:57:08,555 --> 00:57:08,995
hey, you know,

694
00:57:09,195 --> 00:57:10,896
whether they are doing V4V stuff

695
00:57:10,896 --> 00:57:12,175
or they're doing, you know,

696
00:57:12,215 --> 00:57:12,995
messing around on the chain,

697
00:57:12,995 --> 00:57:19,595
they're gonna say hey well this is a way for me to be able to uh to use money right like in an

698
00:57:19,595 --> 00:57:25,575
interesting way um and that will have a great effect a great great effect on musicians man

699
00:57:25,575 --> 00:57:32,355
um yeah yeah as i was saying to nathan nathan the other day i was saying to nathan like because

700
00:57:32,355 --> 00:57:38,075
nathan i know nathan's pretty much anti-odinals as well right so and i said to nathan look at this

701
00:57:38,075 --> 00:57:45,875
nathan like midi and regex uh uh your controllers inscribed and he was like oh wow like that is

702
00:57:45,875 --> 00:57:51,355
kind of interesting right you know so so uh you know when you have things that are bytes and don't

703
00:57:51,355 --> 00:57:57,175
take up block space but allow people to do creative things totally different ballgame right like it's

704
00:57:57,175 --> 00:58:03,156
not it's not so much spam then right so um so yeah but we'll leave that debate for bit first yeah

705
00:58:03,156 --> 00:58:08,995
yeah that's that's another level that is yeah i just want to give a massive shout out to joe

706
00:58:08,995 --> 00:58:14,355
martin as well because he's really a pioneer in this space i mean he obviously performed with us

707
00:58:14,355 --> 00:58:19,835
at our first gig it's then only right to invite joe martin because he was like the first one

708
00:58:19,835 --> 00:58:24,875
through the wall really but he's currently over in nashville at the moment working with

709
00:58:24,875 --> 00:58:31,816
phantom power media jim costello all of these guys all bitcoin but ainsy costello's dad basically

710
00:58:31,816 --> 00:58:39,035
and he's over there he's managed to self-fund him traveling over there recording an album through

711
00:58:39,035 --> 00:58:47,175
geyser fund and joe was very early on in pretty much getting rid of instagram and stop him trying

712
00:58:47,175 --> 00:58:54,115
to tiptoe both you know both sides of the the line you know trying to do the spotify thing

713
00:58:54,115 --> 00:59:00,036
trying to do the instagram thing and trying to do as far as i know now he's fully embraced

714
00:59:00,036 --> 00:59:06,755
Nostra and obviously V4V Music and that's kind of where he does and not only that he's got enough

715
00:59:06,755 --> 00:59:11,556
fans around the world I mean on Nostra he's got 35,000 followers which is no mean feat

716
00:59:11,556 --> 00:59:18,715
and because he his music very you know Americana it's like storytelling it's country country and

717
00:59:18,715 --> 00:59:24,335
folk and all of that he's over in Nashville at the moment all because of Bitcoin recording his album

718
00:59:24,335 --> 00:59:28,875
doing gigs, meeting up with the communities over there.

719
00:59:29,215 --> 00:59:32,536
And if Bitcoin didn't exist, he wouldn't be.

720
00:59:32,536 --> 00:59:50,246
He be I don know working in some other Buddy Holly tribute band or whatever it was he had to do like before all of this So the opportunity that is there for any normie like me like you like Nat

721
00:59:50,306 --> 00:59:56,886
anyone out there listening that has an appetite to want to get into the space because they love music.

722
00:59:57,546 --> 01:00:04,626
I mean, we've just opened up a massive, a massive community of people because every town you go to in Southend where I live,

723
01:00:04,626 --> 01:00:13,426
the talent is vast the amount of musicians out there who are who you know think their time's

724
01:00:13,426 --> 01:00:19,306
gone or you know they're past it or they're not gigging anymore when i show them this

725
01:00:19,306 --> 01:00:25,166
straight away their passions back up they're incentivized they can't wait they're excited

726
01:00:25,166 --> 01:00:31,146
and just to see that kind of like that over the years you know the constant like bashing by

727
01:00:31,146 --> 01:00:37,466
Spotify not earning any money for their art and not getting any recognition for it not getting any

728
01:00:37,466 --> 01:00:43,087
dopamine from people buying their music or listening to their music or their views being

729
01:00:43,087 --> 01:00:49,587
stagnant on YouTube for their latest video their passion comes back and the fire gets reignited

730
01:00:49,587 --> 01:00:54,626
behind their eyes and when I see that I saw that last night when I was with Longy you know in the

731
01:00:54,626 --> 01:00:59,526
studio with Simon the fact that Simon's like yep free studio time you'll we all have my and Simon's

732
01:00:59,526 --> 01:01:03,386
someone that's worked in the industry for 30 years do you know what i mean used to work with people

733
01:01:03,386 --> 01:01:09,966
like trevor horn these like legendary producers and stuff and he's he's willing to give longy

734
01:01:09,966 --> 01:01:16,406
free studio time for a split of the song that they produce together i mean what's more equitable

735
01:01:16,406 --> 01:01:25,447
what's more fair you know i i i'm speechless do you know i mean seeing seeing these um

736
01:01:25,447 --> 01:01:29,426
seeing these opportunities like kind of work themselves out and like i say

737
01:01:29,426 --> 01:01:34,146
like i say with with these guys that are so passionate and they're so talented

738
01:01:34,146 --> 01:01:39,866
and then finally seeing hang on there is there's a way forward now do you know i mean because these

739
01:01:39,866 --> 01:01:45,046
people have been beaten over the head for decades you know when it comes to music and trying to get

740
01:01:45,046 --> 01:01:51,187
gigs and you imagine longy i know he'd have 500 gigs in one year um you know going to play all the

741
01:01:51,187 --> 01:01:57,146
pubs and this that and the other and it's like imagine a imagine a scenario where he could play

742
01:01:57,146 --> 01:02:02,166
10 gigs a year one a month but he comes away from those gigs you know a couple hundred quid up every

743
01:02:02,166 --> 01:02:07,126
single time he plays i just think i just think it's it's so it's so powerful it's so positive

744
01:02:07,126 --> 01:02:14,406
and um yeah i'm bullish we need to get the flight of the concords on involved mate that's such a

745
01:02:14,406 --> 01:02:19,947
great show you look a bit like murray actually now i think of it murray has to better manage it

746
01:02:19,947 --> 01:02:28,646
yeah no that is a great show i must admit i must admit but but like i say um yeah it's open to

747
01:02:28,646 --> 01:02:34,447
everyone so um yeah if you know about it and on that point for anybody listening around the world

748
01:02:34,447 --> 01:02:41,766
like you know this is free open source ideas like plug this into your own bitcoin conference or

749
01:02:41,766 --> 01:02:47,087
event or whatever you're running right yeah i'd love to see you into i'd like i'm sure they must

750
01:02:47,087 --> 01:02:52,386
have done this uh the sydney one bitcoin alive because you know i know daz over there loves his

751
01:02:52,386 --> 01:02:58,646
music and he's close to those guys but yeah this this has to become more of a staple obviously they

752
01:02:58,646 --> 01:03:05,046
had in free madeira uh excuse me in madeira at the conference over there they had uh they oh

753
01:03:05,046 --> 01:03:13,286
catsman i can't think of his uh the old catsman yes it was the uh the headlining app there because

754
01:03:13,286 --> 01:03:17,466
he orange-pilled himself after reading Jeff's book, The Price of Tomorrow.

755
01:03:18,266 --> 01:03:20,266
And Joe played there, obviously.

756
01:03:21,006 --> 01:03:23,766
Joe Martin. Yeah, that was a great event as well.

757
01:03:23,966 --> 01:03:27,306
So more of this is inevitable.

758
01:03:28,786 --> 01:03:30,286
Yeah, I hope so. I hope so.

759
01:03:30,366 --> 01:03:33,006
Because I think it will really, like I say,

760
01:03:33,187 --> 01:03:39,866
it will give the normies that first touch of Bitcoin fixing things.

761
01:03:39,866 --> 01:03:44,346
and it will hopefully bring down all the walls on their normie view that,

762
01:03:44,426 --> 01:03:47,666
you know, it's bad because, you know, the telly said it's bad

763
01:03:47,666 --> 01:03:49,087
or the newspaper said it's bad.

764
01:03:49,206 --> 01:03:50,886
So, of course, it's bad, you know.

765
01:03:50,926 --> 01:03:55,426
But when they actually go and see it working, it's magic for the first time ever.

766
01:03:55,426 --> 01:03:58,666
And, you know, their favourite artist or their favourite band or whatever

767
01:03:58,666 --> 01:04:01,806
comes out and says, oh, yeah, no, we can go and tour now

768
01:04:01,806 --> 01:04:05,906
and we actually have a revenue and we've got a viable economic model

769
01:04:05,906 --> 01:04:08,226
to go and record a new album,

770
01:04:08,646 --> 01:04:10,546
to go out and tour the new album.

771
01:04:10,886 --> 01:04:12,986
And that's all thanks to Bitcoin.

772
01:04:14,567 --> 01:04:15,406
Right, lads.

773
01:04:15,766 --> 01:04:17,386
Anything else you wanted to touch on

774
01:04:17,386 --> 01:04:19,646
before I ask you a final question?

775
01:04:21,766 --> 01:04:25,726
Just make sure if you can't get to Manchester,

776
01:04:25,726 --> 01:04:27,966
we will be live streaming the whole event.

777
01:04:28,146 --> 01:04:29,266
So if you're not on NOSTA

778
01:04:29,266 --> 01:04:30,806
and you don't know what NOSTA is,

779
01:04:30,926 --> 01:04:32,306
NOSTA obviously is the first

780
01:04:32,306 --> 01:04:35,786
decentralized social media there is.

781
01:04:35,906 --> 01:04:43,046
um NOSTA is fantastic because at the end of the day I'm on Twitter with 1200 followers I'm lucky

782
01:04:43,046 --> 01:04:48,847
to get a like I'm lucky for one person to see my post but whenever I post on NOSTA with my I don't

783
01:04:48,847 --> 01:04:53,626
know how many followers I've got I've got a couple hundred followers on NOSTA I get instant engagement

784
01:04:53,626 --> 01:05:00,386
people like it people boost it and people send me bitcoin you know for for the latest anti Ed

785
01:05:00,386 --> 01:05:05,486
Miliband meme that I've just put up do you know what I mean people will send me some such satoshis

786
01:05:05,486 --> 01:05:07,046
for it so if you're not on NOSTA

787
01:05:07,046 --> 01:05:09,506
I implore everyone listening that's not

788
01:05:09,506 --> 01:05:11,587
on NOSTA and you can get a NOSTA

789
01:05:11,587 --> 01:05:13,386
login by downloading Fountain

790
01:05:13,386 --> 01:05:15,786
app for example

791
01:05:15,786 --> 01:05:17,446
you know there's a lot of apps now that

792
01:05:17,446 --> 01:05:19,187
combine NOSTA that will give you logins

793
01:05:19,187 --> 01:05:21,106
I know because

794
01:05:21,106 --> 01:05:23,486
Obi was at your event and he gave

795
01:05:23,486 --> 01:05:25,406
me an eCash certificate

796
01:05:25,406 --> 01:05:27,166
and I opened up an eCash

797
01:05:27,166 --> 01:05:29,006
wallet and it's the first time I've

798
01:05:29,006 --> 01:05:31,346
got to get one from him as well he was like yeah I'm going to go and get these eCash

799
01:05:31,346 --> 01:05:33,346
and I totally forgot to get one before I left

800
01:05:33,347 --> 01:05:40,706
Yeah, yeah. It was a thousand sats on it, but it opened up an e-cash wallet and an e-cash for those that don't know.

801
01:05:40,827 --> 01:05:45,587
It's like it's a it's a it's another is it a type of layer to my doing that disservice?

802
01:05:45,986 --> 01:05:54,486
My knowledge, my knowledge when it comes to all that is like quite low, but it's a federated lightning kind of service, I believe.

803
01:05:55,006 --> 01:06:01,466
And the first thing that I noticed when I saw it was not only does it go down and does micro sats as well.

804
01:06:01,466 --> 01:06:10,626
So it even splits up a sat to do micro sats, which obviously is going to be important going forwards as Bitcoin price goes up.

805
01:06:10,726 --> 01:06:14,866
But also they will give you a NOSTA login as well.

806
01:06:15,266 --> 01:06:18,006
So that's the first thing I'd implore everyone to do.

807
01:06:18,107 --> 01:06:19,026
Go and get NOSTA.

808
01:06:19,206 --> 01:06:19,947
Go and reach out.

809
01:06:20,006 --> 01:06:20,926
Go and start posting.

810
01:06:21,146 --> 01:06:22,347
Go and introduce yourself.

811
01:06:22,506 --> 01:06:25,847
Go and follow me and Dan and Nat.

812
01:06:25,906 --> 01:06:26,726
We're all on now.

813
01:06:28,306 --> 01:06:29,466
Yeah, so that's the first thing.

814
01:06:29,466 --> 01:06:37,847
And then obviously ditch your Apple podcast player or your Spotify podcast player and download a fountain or a pod verse.

815
01:06:38,146 --> 01:06:43,166
Or there's loads of podcasts in 2.0 apps, which all have Bitcoin.

816
01:06:43,447 --> 01:06:44,786
It's all been built on top of Bitcoin.

817
01:06:45,126 --> 01:06:53,067
So really, this is about kind of building up the amount of people that are in the space and listening and taking part in it.

818
01:06:53,087 --> 01:06:58,726
Because at the end of the day, we're all participants and we all want this world to be better and to get better.

819
01:06:58,726 --> 01:07:00,906
and I believe this is the Trojan horse.

820
01:07:01,026 --> 01:07:03,626
Getting the music thing going is the Trojan horse,

821
01:07:03,686 --> 01:07:06,766
which I think will bring a lot more people into Bitcoin.

822
01:07:07,846 --> 01:07:08,886
Yeah, yeah, facts.

823
01:07:09,106 --> 01:07:12,046
I'm just going to say, in the new music economy,

824
01:07:12,206 --> 01:07:14,426
the artists are the industry and that's just it.

825
01:07:15,426 --> 01:07:16,827
As you said earlier, Aaron,

826
01:07:16,827 --> 01:07:21,226
we can't keep saying the industry, the industry, the industry.

827
01:07:21,346 --> 01:07:22,686
The artists are the industry.

828
01:07:22,906 --> 01:07:25,426
So it's just literally you are using Bitcoin.

829
01:07:25,426 --> 01:07:32,406
you have the ability to be any part of the industry that you would like to be yeah um and

830
01:07:32,406 --> 01:07:40,246
maybe that remuneration doesn't look like it adds up now but um you know depending on on how you use

831
01:07:40,246 --> 01:07:47,306
it and uh the fan base that you have maybe and the mechanisms that you're using um yeah that's a

832
01:07:47,306 --> 01:07:53,286
path towards a much brighter future for for artists where you can be in full control that's it

833
01:07:53,286 --> 01:07:54,746
perfect mate

834
01:07:54,746 --> 01:07:57,106
alright Nat and Aaron

835
01:07:57,106 --> 01:07:58,706
I know you've answered this a few times

836
01:07:58,706 --> 01:08:00,286
but Nat first time for you

837
01:08:00,286 --> 01:08:03,327
if you had one last orange pill left to give to somebody

838
01:08:03,327 --> 01:08:05,126
who would you give it to and why

839
01:08:05,126 --> 01:08:11,347
I had one last

840
01:08:11,347 --> 01:08:12,666
orange pill to give it to

841
01:08:12,666 --> 01:08:14,526
who would I give it to and why

842
01:08:14,526 --> 01:08:21,946
I'd give it to probably one of my kids

843
01:08:21,946 --> 01:08:22,827
to be honest

844
01:08:22,827 --> 01:08:26,526
if it had one last orange pill to give

845
01:08:26,526 --> 01:08:27,766
I'd give it to one of my kids

846
01:08:27,766 --> 01:08:30,466
so that way it doesn't matter what happens with me

847
01:08:30,466 --> 01:08:31,666
or their mum or whatever

848
01:08:31,666 --> 01:08:36,466
that they have the thing to carry on into the future with

849
01:08:36,466 --> 01:08:38,486
and that's it, yeah, definitely

850
01:08:38,486 --> 01:08:53,378
Nice The knowledge Yeah that is it That it Aaron you got another one yeah i got another one i would love to give it to radiohead yeah i think if radiohead came out or tom york specifically

851
01:08:53,378 --> 01:08:59,077
um they're ahead they've always been as musical creators they've always been ahead of their time

852
01:08:59,077 --> 01:09:03,998
they've always been massively influential over the rest of the people in the business

853
01:09:03,998 --> 01:09:09,678
so to speak uh i think if they was to come out and do something like they did with in rainbows

854
01:09:09,678 --> 01:09:14,978
even though the in rainbows thing didn't take off you know like not everyone could kind of come out

855
01:09:14,978 --> 01:09:21,518
and do it but i think if he could somehow is powerful enough to release a song under a pseudonym

856
01:09:21,518 --> 01:09:28,118
or something can then go out and talk about it i think a lot of artists immediately i mean right

857
01:09:28,118 --> 01:09:32,738
said fred they'll be straight back on the phone to me do you know what i mean uh the second someone

858
01:09:32,738 --> 01:09:35,058
like Tom York goes out and does it,

859
01:09:35,118 --> 01:09:38,818
I think that would be the best orange peel

860
01:09:38,818 --> 01:09:40,898
that I could give today.

861
01:09:41,918 --> 01:09:42,278
Excellent.

862
01:09:42,818 --> 01:09:44,678
Aaron's inflated the orange peel supply.

863
01:09:45,038 --> 01:09:45,698
He's had three of them.

864
01:09:46,518 --> 01:09:46,678
Yeah.

865
01:09:47,878 --> 01:09:48,698
I have, yeah.

866
01:09:51,038 --> 01:09:51,618
All right, lads.

867
01:09:51,618 --> 01:09:52,298
No, no, no.

868
01:09:52,358 --> 01:09:54,818
All you have to do is you take the orange peel

869
01:09:54,818 --> 01:09:56,198
and you crush it up into powder

870
01:09:56,198 --> 01:09:58,778
and you pop it in the people's drinks

871
01:09:58,778 --> 01:09:59,638
while they're not looking.

872
01:09:59,918 --> 01:10:00,138
That's easy.

873
01:10:01,538 --> 01:10:02,638
That's very ethical.

874
01:10:02,738 --> 01:10:10,098
appreciate you uh you're both coming on and everything that you're doing and i'm really

875
01:10:10,098 --> 01:10:14,118
looking forward to catching up with you and bit fest it's going to be a great event so if people

876
01:10:14,118 --> 01:10:18,738
do want to get there uh yeah use that code bits and hit that link in the show notes and get

877
01:10:18,738 --> 01:10:23,278
yourself a discount come say hi to nat and aaron and all the other guys that are going to be there

878
01:10:23,278 --> 01:10:28,138
it's um it's really shaping up this one uh when you go and look at the speaker list it's

879
01:10:28,138 --> 01:10:33,898
it's cool and it's great that this is happening on our soil so yeah congrats to everybody involved

880
01:10:33,898 --> 01:10:40,298
but uh that's it let's thanks for coming on appreciate your work you're welcome bitfest.uk

881
01:10:40,298 --> 01:10:48,198
for ticket info and for the whole speaker list and everything like that um i'm at btc essex or

882
01:10:48,198 --> 01:10:53,577
new music nudge unit on twitter but we're also all on nostr as well so you'll be able to find us

883
01:10:53,577 --> 01:10:57,278
hanging out there and living our best lives over on Mostar.

884
01:10:57,998 --> 01:11:00,698
And a quick little important note as well on top of that

885
01:11:00,698 --> 01:11:02,618
for the tickets for BitFest.

886
01:11:03,218 --> 01:11:06,158
If you've bought a ticket for BitFest, the main conference,

887
01:11:06,278 --> 01:11:09,978
or a one-day ticket, then you have the after party thrown in.

888
01:11:10,378 --> 01:11:13,058
But let's say maybe you're not around

889
01:11:13,058 --> 01:11:17,898
or you haven't really got the expense to spare for the other tickets,

890
01:11:18,258 --> 01:11:22,618
then you can buy a ticket to the new Music Economy concert on its own.

891
01:11:22,618 --> 01:11:26,098
and that ticket does include entry to two venues

892
01:11:26,098 --> 01:11:28,858
and two happy hours as well, right?

893
01:11:28,938 --> 01:11:30,178
Like with free drinks, right?

894
01:11:31,158 --> 01:11:34,098
And all of the revenue from those tickets,

895
01:11:34,198 --> 01:11:35,478
the ones that are for concert only,

896
01:11:35,598 --> 01:11:37,198
goes directly to the artists, right?

897
01:11:37,238 --> 01:11:39,938
There's no, we don't even take a cut or anything.

898
01:11:40,077 --> 01:11:40,678
There's nothing, right?

899
01:11:40,678 --> 01:11:41,638
It all goes straight to the artists.

900
01:11:42,638 --> 01:11:43,118
Excellent.

901
01:11:43,858 --> 01:11:44,218
Love it.

902
01:11:44,678 --> 01:11:45,577
Thanks for coming on, lads.

903
01:11:45,577 --> 01:11:46,398
Have a good one.

904
01:11:46,898 --> 01:11:47,558
Wicked, mate.

905
01:11:47,978 --> 01:11:48,958
All the best, everyone.

906
01:11:49,378 --> 01:11:49,718
See ya.

907
01:11:49,718 --> 01:11:59,638
well thank you again Aaron and thank you Nat for coming on and doing the doing what you're doing

908
01:11:59,638 --> 01:12:07,338
like this is the new music economy is such a great is it an idea no it's not an idea it's

909
01:12:07,338 --> 01:12:14,218
what it should be this is you know it's like just taking it back to the foundation of if you are a

910
01:12:14,218 --> 01:12:21,198
creator or a creative and it doesn't matter what that is it is music it's the written word it's uh

911
01:12:21,198 --> 01:12:28,118
the arts and the more broader sense of the word you know encompassing everything that you could

912
01:12:28,118 --> 01:12:36,618
put under that umbrella so captured so centralized uh used to push agendas

913
01:12:36,618 --> 01:12:47,378
you have figures that are elevated as deities gods goddesses that we're all supposed to you know

914
01:12:47,378 --> 01:12:57,218
praise and it's just it's really it's just a very very fiat weird way of well it's you know

915
01:12:57,218 --> 01:13:04,678
comes down to psychological and control and uh you know the psyops that portrayed through through

916
01:13:04,678 --> 01:13:13,118
music and through film and through the arts is yeah it has to stop and the only way we do stop it

917
01:13:13,118 --> 01:13:20,038
is with this thing called Bitcoin that you know if you everything it touches it turns it you know

918
01:13:20,038 --> 01:13:24,638
it doesn't turn everything on its head it just writes the ship fear has turned everything on

919
01:13:24,638 --> 01:13:28,958
its head this this fear nonsense world that we live in at the moment so when you're sitting

920
01:13:28,958 --> 01:13:33,138
around the table and with all your friends and family and you're the only bitcoiner and they

921
01:13:33,138 --> 01:13:39,558
think you're going insane you're actually going sane that's what's happening the inverse

922
01:13:39,558 --> 01:13:47,438
you see like this this whole clown world that we live in this upside down world that is because

923
01:13:47,438 --> 01:13:54,738
the foundation of everything is the fiat money that was designed this way right this didn't

924
01:13:54,738 --> 01:14:00,678
happen by accident please go and read the secrets of the federal reserve by Eustace Mullins or the

925
01:14:00,678 --> 01:14:08,478
Creature from Jekyll Island by Edward G. Griffin to find out how this system was designed. It was

926
01:14:08,478 --> 01:14:14,118
even designed further before that if you want to go and read the book Red Symphony there are three

927
01:14:14,118 --> 01:14:19,538
great touch points for you to start really delving into this and understanding. There's another book

928
01:14:19,538 --> 01:14:26,258
recently Neil Flesher came on the podcast and we went into his book which is called Modern Chains

929
01:14:26,258 --> 01:14:32,858
which talks about exactly this what you know these guys came on to talk about today like how

930
01:14:32,858 --> 01:14:39,938
you are chained to something because of the medium of exchange that we are forced into using

931
01:14:39,938 --> 01:14:47,577
a medium of exchange should be an emergent property and human beings will naturally trend

932
01:14:47,577 --> 01:14:54,738
towards and settle upon the best form of a medium of exchange that is in the marketplace and that

933
01:14:54,738 --> 01:15:02,978
is undoubtedly Bitcoin. That's why this is inevitable. We're going to go through bumps

934
01:15:02,978 --> 01:15:08,658
in the road. We're going to go through a lot of bullshit to deal with because people are going to

935
01:15:08,658 --> 01:15:14,018
come in. Bitcoin's always under attack in one way, shape or form. There's always a vector to attack

936
01:15:14,018 --> 01:15:22,098
it, but it will be the grass movements. It will be events like BitFest. It will be the new music

937
01:15:22,098 --> 01:15:30,858
economy it will be all the other brilliant projects that are going on that are generally

938
01:15:30,858 --> 01:15:39,058
started voluntarily by plebs for want of a better word pioneers as richard greaser

939
01:15:39,058 --> 01:15:45,258
when he came on the show to talk about this um he was pushing the idea of let's change the word

940
01:15:45,258 --> 01:15:50,597
plebs to pioneers because you know plebs has that connotation i know we use it tongue-in-cheek but

941
01:15:50,597 --> 01:15:53,137
god damn I'm rambling

942
01:15:53,137 --> 01:15:55,137
grassroots lads and lasses

943
01:15:55,137 --> 01:15:57,178
please come to Manchester

944
01:15:57,178 --> 01:15:59,077
come and meet these people

945
01:15:59,077 --> 01:16:00,398
that are building these things

946
01:16:00,398 --> 01:16:02,478
Nathan Day as I said at the beginning

947
01:16:02,478 --> 01:16:04,158
he's part of the organising team here

948
01:16:04,158 --> 01:16:06,777
BTC Maps is his little baby

949
01:16:06,777 --> 01:16:08,257
which is just exploding

950
01:16:08,257 --> 01:16:09,117
well done Nate

951
01:16:09,117 --> 01:16:12,018
and you can use the code BITN and get 10% discount

952
01:16:12,018 --> 01:16:13,958
and you can come along and you can

953
01:16:13,958 --> 01:16:15,577
meet as many

954
01:16:15,577 --> 01:16:17,678
Britcoiners as you can

955
01:16:17,678 --> 01:16:19,438
in the space of 3 days

956
01:16:19,438 --> 01:16:23,637
and leave inspired and leave with your own ideas

957
01:16:23,637 --> 01:16:26,117
and perhaps start building your own projects.

958
01:16:26,597 --> 01:16:27,797
Like I said at the beginning here,

959
01:16:28,797 --> 01:16:31,158
if you want to stack sats, relay, R-E-L-A-I,

960
01:16:31,257 --> 01:16:34,958
dot C-H, forward slash bitten is the place to do that across Europe.

961
01:16:35,097 --> 01:16:37,698
If you're in the US, thank you for tuning in from across the pond.

962
01:16:38,097 --> 01:16:39,297
Swan Bitcoin, got you.

963
01:16:39,557 --> 01:16:40,398
Link in the show notes.

964
01:16:41,238 --> 01:16:42,557
Self-custody of Bitcoin.

965
01:16:42,898 --> 01:16:44,137
This is very, very serious.

966
01:16:44,557 --> 01:16:48,438
Bitbox have got the Bitbox O2 or the Bitbox Nova.

967
01:16:48,438 --> 01:16:51,458
both Bitcoin only hardware wallets

968
01:16:51,458 --> 01:16:53,817
and they've been around for 10 years.

969
01:16:54,218 --> 01:16:55,018
They've got you covered.

970
01:16:55,178 --> 01:16:57,158
They've got great educational tools as well.

971
01:16:57,238 --> 01:16:59,398
So please just hit the link in the show notes

972
01:16:59,398 --> 01:17:00,857
and go and check it out for yourself.

973
01:17:01,037 --> 01:17:01,898
Go and verify.

974
01:17:02,557 --> 01:17:05,257
If you want to start spending your sats,

975
01:17:05,337 --> 01:17:06,857
you can get over to plebeian.market

976
01:17:06,857 --> 01:17:10,037
and Chief Monkey is going to be there at Manchester

977
01:17:10,037 --> 01:17:11,617
talking about what he's built there.

978
01:17:11,918 --> 01:17:13,698
Last I checked, I've said this a few times,

979
01:17:13,698 --> 01:17:16,877
there was a sailboat for sale on plebeian.market.

980
01:17:16,877 --> 01:17:18,757
so you can even buy a sailboat

981
01:17:18,757 --> 01:17:19,938
then have your boat in accident

982
01:17:19,938 --> 01:17:22,958
and pay with Flash

983
01:17:22,958 --> 01:17:24,218
paywithflash.com

984
01:17:24,218 --> 01:17:26,458
a great place for you

985
01:17:26,458 --> 01:17:28,998
just to go and start your journey

986
01:17:28,998 --> 01:17:31,077
into accepting Bitcoin

987
01:17:31,077 --> 01:17:32,658
for your goods and services

988
01:17:32,658 --> 01:17:33,317
and remember

989
01:17:33,317 --> 01:17:35,857
you should not accept Bitcoin

990
01:17:35,857 --> 01:17:37,718
for your goods and services

991
01:17:37,718 --> 01:17:39,257
you should demand it

992
01:17:39,257 --> 01:17:41,398
I'm going to leave it there

993
01:17:41,398 --> 01:17:42,698
thanks for listening guys

994
01:17:42,698 --> 01:17:43,518
catch you on the next show