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Hello, everybody. My name is Daniel Prince, and I'm the host of the Once Bitten podcast.

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This is a podcast focused on Bitcoin. It's my mission to interview as many people as I can

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around the different aspects of Bitcoin and help people understand exactly what Bitcoin

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could mean for them and for their families and for their future. I hope you enjoy the show.

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Thank you so much for listening.

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to this idea that we have all been bonded slaves since birth because we were registered by our

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parents in all caps names and we are nothing but corporation each of us conducting ourselves

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unknowingly under universal commercial code and legislations and statutes and acts and bills and

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rights none of this is law right none of it is law law as i've come to learn is natural law you

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know you don't kill people you don't steal people's things and you certainly don't uh harm people in

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any way uh and obviously there's a strong sense of property rights in natural law as well

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everything else that has been layered up on top of that is legal legal stuff um made by

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generally unelected bureaucrats sitting in ivory towers trying to validate their existence and this

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is the whole part of the system you know that's been built on top of this fiat monetary hellhole

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that we have all found ourselves born into kevin takes us all the way back all the way back to the

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early, early days of Ireland and how disputes were handled back in those days. And he teaches

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everything about this that you need to know. He travels around the world speaking at conferences.

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We need to get him at a Bitcoin conference. I met him at Bitcoin Ireland, but I'd love to see him

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more and doing more presentations about this kind of stuff. It's really excellent knowledge.

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and I hope you enjoy this one.

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The story he tells at the end about his courtroom drama,

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you might have heard of this before.

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You might have heard of people tell you

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that they knew a guy that went to court

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and as long as he didn't say his name,

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then he was kind of skirting around the officials there.

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Kevin had this exact experience many years ago

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and he takes us through the whole story.

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So I hope you enjoy this one.

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Please reach out to Kevin after the show.

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and should be part of your 40 hours per week listening toolkit meanwhile let's get on with

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this one with kevin thank you for listening i hope you enjoy it here we go all right we are recording

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kevin got you uh got you on the show we finally got it together after meeting you in ireland

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and a big shout out to val who introduced us uh pleasure to meet you again and been looking forward

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to this conversation so thanks for coming on you're welcome uh daniel and i'm very happy to be

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here and uh thank you to val as well because she just wouldn't have happened if she didn't connect

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the two of us at the Dublin Bitcoin conference.

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And the reason she did is because she knows that I've been falling down like the sovereign

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rabbit hole.

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And at that conference, Carl Deans gave a talk from the Sovereign Project where he was

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talking about the difference between maritime law and what you might call common law.

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I'm still a noob in this area.

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I've got my Black's Law Dictionary here, which I leave through of an evening just trying to

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look at the definitions of words.

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And yeah, right, enough teasers.

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This one's going to be a lot for people to take in, I think.

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But Lauren's going to fire off with the first question.

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What is real law?

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Okay.

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Well, if you look at the maxims, which are considered to be statements of fact,

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the legal maxims there is one that says contract makes the law so what that means how i interpret

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that is a man can only be bound to do that which he has agreed to do and all of the law is formed

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around agreements so in this state of nature we're completely free we're free to go where we want

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We're free to do what we want. We're even free to kill if we want to.

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Now, in order to have a civilized society, what we do is we agree to forego some of those baser instincts, those wild instincts,

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and to become more civilized in return for protection from the state,

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in return for, you know, to have a peaceful society.

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So this is even seen in how we pass legislation.

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So you have two houses.

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Typically, you have a biomarkerial system, which means two houses.

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and one of the houses puts forward a suggestion for a law.

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We call it a bill at this stage.

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And this, once they have debated the bill,

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it will be sent to the other house.

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So let's say that the House of Lords or the House of Commons

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puts forward a piece of legislation that will then be sent to the House of Lords

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and they would debate it there.

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And it's only when those two houses have an agreement

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that the contract is formed and we can call that.

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a valid law. Now, I studied jurisprudence when I was in university, which was a long time ago,

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and there's a number of different types of law. So, for example, the most,

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probably the most, the law that people are most familiar with is called natural law.

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now when i was studying jurisprudence i thought i was very much into the natural law i knew about

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it but the thing is with natural law as soon as you write it down it stops being natural law

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becomes positive law what does that mean it means it's posited by man and so these are that's that's

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The thing I'm talking about, I'm thinking about here are the likes of statutes and case law.

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It's now positive law.

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So it's positive law.

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And then you move on to this theory called legal realism, which is basically the law is whatever the judge decides it is on the day.

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now this is um this is a reason why i have kind of taken a back seat on the sovereign and

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sovereign topic because i would consider myself to be a bit more of a legal realist now so you

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can go into court and you can make all of these wonderful arguments but it's the judge that you

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need to persuade and we there's a famous quote that the judge decides the law based on what they

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had for breakfast and so if you're a good lawyer you know the judge because you might have worked

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with him before you know what buttons to press and what topics to avoid and you would advise your

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client accordingly so that's probably a longer answer than you were you were looking for um

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but that's that's that's what i think the law actually is i think it's

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there all these theories around it but they only theories it only what what law is is whatever the judge decides is the law on the day

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Which is a scary place to be, to be quite frank.

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Because you have no idea who you're going to come up against and you have no idea.

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Like you say, you know, that saying depends on what they had for breakfast.

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These are just human beings, right?

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You have no idea what's going on in their personal life, what's happened to them.

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that morning and what kind of mood they are in and whether or not they've seen uh that they might

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just have some kind of negative disposition towards your demeanor whatever it could be

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and they hold all of that power yep crazy yep all right well we're gonna we're gonna go through

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the whole history of how we ended up here kevin and you're gonna help us walk that walk us through

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that did you have any further questions no but thank you for answering mine you're welcome all

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right well don't forget that coffee thank you bye bye bye so let's your your background there you've

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already thrown in a few kind of um words here that i was just jotting down i think you said

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jurish prudence was that what you said yes it's another word for legal philosophy

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legal philosophy jurish prudence all right so let's take us back what got you why were you led

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down this path this is obviously something you chose to to do at university yeah that's a kind

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of a big question because okay let's go all the way back to i was getting my leaving certificate

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results which is the equivalent of a level or o level i'm not too sure whatever the last one is

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in in the uk and i got maybe a medium score you know i got 330 points which was kind of average

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you know and in Ireland you you can pick your course based on the amount of points that you get

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so there was a guy in my class who's who I shouldn't name but uh he got about 550 points

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and the maximum amount of points is 600 okay so just to be clear and I remember thinking to myself

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wow I actually said it to him you could do anything with that like what are you going to do

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and he kind of goes I'm going to study law and I remember thinking to myself I'd never be able to

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do that like that's beyond me you know what I mean and so I went to study computer multimedia

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design very far away from where I lived I ended up dropping out about two months after

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just because I wasn't enjoying it and it was too far to travel this sort of thing and I started to

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work i worked for three years in um call center and i i was doing the call quality so you know

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that thing was like these calls may be recorded for training and quality purposes i was the one

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that was listening to those calls um and i was getting itchy feet and i wanted to go traveling

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so when i was about 21 22 i went traveling to india by myself backpacking for three and a half

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months and that was a real like eye-opening experience because this was the first time I

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was completely alone where I didn't have to be a son or a boyfriend or a friend or you know I was

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just I was just completely there by myself and whatever I did was completely and entirely up to

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me and then you start to like lose these layers of ego and what you're left with is you right so I

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went to India with this notion that I was going to find myself and then on the last the last month

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or so I was sitting on the side of the Ganges in Rishikesh and I was like I was here all along

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because I'm me right so what are you looking for I'm me so I don't need to go searching for

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who I am because I'm always there you know and and that kind of reminds me of the Beatles song

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without going out of my door I I can know all things on earth without looking out my window

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I can know the ways of heaven the further one travels the less one knows the less one really

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knows it just like it just hit me that I was already there so I came home with this like new

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enlightenment and I had been reading a lot about self-realization while I was in India

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and you know practicing yoga and mantras and doing all of the ashrams and that sort of stuff

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and it was really cool it was a really eye-opening experience I met some wonderful

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people over there and like-minded people and so then I came back home to Ireland and I was always

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into I was always into conspiracies right what do I mean by that it's like 9-11 was an inside job

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the fiat currency is is is fractional reserve and usury you know that's that was like the initial

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kind of exposure that I had to understanding the world around me. And when I look back now,

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I was always looking for an answer and looking for something that I could grab onto and say,

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there's something more than what we can see with our five senses. Right. And so I started to read

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about the law. I started to, I first saw a documentary or like a presentation by John

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harris called it's an illusion of reality and i still remember the first night i watched it because

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i was in my friend's house around the corner and they were all my friends went into town but i

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ended up staying in my friend's house to watch this because i didn't feel well i didn't really

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want to go out um and i was watching it and i was like this definitely something to this like

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he was talking that was the very first time i heard about state bodies are registered

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corporations on Dun & Bradstreet.

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And then I went and I looked and I found that they are actually registered bodies on Dun & Bradstreet.

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And then that sent me on a rabbit hole.

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And I started to read as much law as I could.

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Things that come to mind are things like Creditors in Commerce by Winston Shrout.

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and so what I did was I actually got a job working in a call center for a bank

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and I didn't enjoy it because I knew it was around the time that the recession had started

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right it was like 2007 2008 that sort of era

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and because i knew how money actually worked we would have old ladies ringing into the

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to the call center saying very like feeble voices saying like i'm really sorry i don't like my my

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money is not is my money safe is this and that and i knew that the money was fake i knew that it was

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fake not that it's fake it's just like it doesn't have the sort of reality that would cause you to

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have an emotional reaction to it do you know what i mean and it's it started to weigh on my

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conscience like very heavily and um one day i came across this platform called ning.com and

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this is like a platform where you can build your own social media

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and you can have members, you can have a gallery, you can have forums, you can have places or videos.

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And it was very easy to set up.

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And I maybe I need to backtrack a little bit here.

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part of the reason why I decided to set up the website was because

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I had taken two trips of acid and it wasn't the first time I had done acid but this was the most

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profound experience I've ever had on psychedelics and to make a long story boring and I call it my

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night of a thousand epiphanies because all of that stuff i'd been reading about the law

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suddenly made sense it clicked in my brain it was like i got it and i and i got it in such a

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profound and fundamental way that i never really lost that and so for example one of the things

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that I realized was

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the stuff I was reading about in the law,

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which we now call sovereignty,

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is the exact same as what I was reading about in India

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about self-realization.

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Like, I had this profound realization

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that the reality that I was experiencing

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was fundamentally mine and mine alone.

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I can't share my reality with you or with anybody else.

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And so therefore, if I perceive problems,

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they are my problems and i must go and do something about that

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and this was a very it was a it was a whole night you know of a of a trip and uh the next day the

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next morning i got i didn't sleep actually i went down to the sitting room and i started to write my

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claim of right do you know what a claim of right is let's get into it please i i want people to

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understand what that is okay um maybe i'll come back to that in a few minutes okay um i started to

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plant vegetables in my garden that that same day you know and uh i just had this profound sense of

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knowing and purpose and uh i remember i was living with my girlfriend's family at the time

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and her mother came down and she was very religious this this this woman and i was sitting

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at the table and i was just kind of downloading information and talking and she was like you have

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the holy spirit in you i recognize it you know and i was like okay well if dr hoffman is the

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holy spirit perhaps i do have the holy spirit in me but then i just wanted to lay that context

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and so I wrote the claim of right which is basically

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you send a notice to certain people in the government to say

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you make your claim which is I am a free man living on the land of Ireland

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and you basically lay out your rights

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I claim I have the right to religious freedom, spiritual freedom

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I claim I have the right to possess any plant you know that sort of thing because I was uh yeah

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smoking weed at the time um and other stuff as well like it wasn't all that it was like I claim

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that that like legislation and statutes do not apply to me and you rebut the assumption that

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they do and maybe we can get into this in a bit more detail because uh what I realized was um

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there there a such thing in law called capitis diminutio which is how your name is displayed and it like status capitis means status right and it the diminution of status based on how your name is presented So if your name appears in all caps it not you It a

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corporate entity, which we call a person. Okay. And that's why legislation applies to persons,

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not to flesh and blood men

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and

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yeah it applies to persons not to flesh and blood men

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and there's another maxim in law which is a thing can only have authority over

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that which it creates and so since the government created the legal

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person that's how it has authority to put the

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acts and statutes onto you if you acquiesce and consent

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to that so the claim of right is basically a document where you're rebutting the assumption

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you're rebutting the connection the join there between you and the person and you say i the

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living man i'm standing on the land of ireland and here's the rights that i claim and you have

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30 days to rebut this in law and who would you send that to you would send it to the attorney

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general the t-shock the i was even sending them to um the secretary generals of the departments

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because civil service is very powerful in this country and secretary general is the is the main

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man and like so we had a secretary general that was over the department of the government and the

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department of the t-shock and so t-shocks come and go but he stays in the same position what's

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t-shock sorry oh t-shock sorry is a chieftain it's no it's a it's a it's what we call the prime

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minister okay wait a minute so you'd write it if you're british you'd write a letter to

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kia starmer directly yes yes i love this but in your case you'd probably write it to the queen or

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to uh sorry king charles so you'd you'd write you'd write this letter out would you did you

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handwrite it or did you type it up i typed it out and then i signed it on the right hand side

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not on the left hand side with what color pen um i would sign it with a blue pen or even a red pen

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it depends how serious it is because the red pen symbolizes blood right and that's why it's rude

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to write in red pen because it symbolizes blood and this yeah and that's mate this is like the

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education system how they completely program you into believing red ink is bad because all you see

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is the red ink of all the you know some yeah you might get the odd tick and but it's generally

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crosses and what you've done wrong and little notes and how you could be better and this is

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why you are always you you fear the red pen and the red pen is for the teacher it's not for you

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the red pen is the teacher the authority and so something as well um people might not be

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too aware of the the black ink that you're forced to sign these forms in in your all caps name the

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black ink is basically you know that depicts that's the color of the dead man at sea yeah

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well i think the reason why we don't use black ink is because it's difficult to um to tell an

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original from a copy a photocopy right so you right okay yeah that makes a lot of sense because

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you write this letter and then you want to send it off to 10 people let's say so then you take the

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blue pen or the red pen or purple purple is another option if you want it to be more regal i suppose

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but let's just say blue don't go too crazy and then you sign that off so it is

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autographed by a living man or woman because that is indisputable and then you send these off

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and you say and this is important you have 30 days to respond and what can you tell people why

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that's important because you have to give them a chance to rebut and what i would typically do

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well it was a long time ago now and i'm not i'm not in this world anymore and i would follow that

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off with another letter and offer them a chance to rebut and what you're what you're establishing

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here is the valid claim because you put things in it like silence is considered agreement,

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he who does not rebut is deemed to accept. There's other maxims you can put in it that kind of add

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the emphasis. And so I would write then with a follow-up letter and saying like, since you have

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not replied within 30 days, I'm now giving you another opportunity to rebut these and here's my

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claims and you have now 14 days and then the final notice is you could give them seven days

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if you wanted to be really good if you want to be really kind you can give them another seven days

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there's a good chance they won't respond because they don't want i don't this is me speculating

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now right it's like they don't want to lose any animals from the ranch and but i think most of the

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time they just don't understand what the document is saying it's not it's like um don't attribute

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to malice what you can attribute to ignorance right um so to go back to the story what i did

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after that trip i i remember standing in the kitchen making a cup of tea and i looked out

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the window and i was just thinking to myself i have to go out there i have to do something

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because if not me then who and if not me then why am i complaining about it

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you get me and just as i was thinking that i looked down at the the clock of the cooker

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the oven and it said 505 which i took as sos and it like it hit me so hard i was like i actually

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got onto the floor and i was like no way it was like a validation of all the stuff i've been

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thinking about you know now that night i had this is before i made the cup of tea and seeing the sos

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i was thinking like how can we how can i and my group of friends live outside of the state and i

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said well we can just get our own piece of land and then we will live contract you know we'll

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contract the law and we'll live by agreement and then i heard a voice in my head which said and it

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it shall be called Tir Naseer.

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And that's what it is.

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It shall be called Tir Naseer,

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which is Irish for land of the free.

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Tir Naseer.

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Ti, I, for the ore.

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Yeah.

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Na, N-A, that's of the,

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and seir, or sir,

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soar is freedom,

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land of the free.

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Right.

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So,

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a couple

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it was about

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the next week

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maybe or maybe

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a couple of days

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after that

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I was about to get

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ready to go to work

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and I just

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went on to

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ning.com

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and I just typed in

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Tyrannasir

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freemanireland.ning.com

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was the URL

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but the name of the website

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was Tyrannasir

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and it was wonderful

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I mean

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it couldn't have come

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at a better time

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like

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by the time

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I got home

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from work

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there was already

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like 10 or 15

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members

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had signed up to it

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and by the time I wrapped it up it was around 5000 and now it went for about five years or maybe

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maybe more um yeah around five years and then it was a wild adventure

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um it was probably one of the the most educational and the best times of my life

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and that okay so that led me then into looking into the brehon law

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and having an interest in law in general and then so let's just establish brehon breton

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how do you spell it what does it mean it's you spell it b-r-e-h-o-n and it was the law in ireland

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before we were colonised.

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Yeah.

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And it was never given up voluntarily.

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It was stamped out by oppressive penal laws.

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So I think that the Breton law, okay,

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Breton comes from the word Britiv, which is the Irish for judge.

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So it was like judge made law, okay?

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So how far are we going back?

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Let's go back in the Irish history.

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okay so it was stamped out in the early 17th century right so not that long ago

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in the scheme of things and it goes all the way all the way back before before time right

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pre-history it's prehistoric and i and i was just watching your talk actually the one you gave in

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prague back in 2016 and you touched on this and there's a few really interesting points that

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you mentioned that uh ireland was never invaded by rome they got to the uk

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all this will do stopped and didn't bother uh you know go and then they started pushing their like

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their civil laws onto onto those people whereas ireland remained free throughout that whole

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period so can you explain to people why it's important to understand the difference why

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why it's so important that rome didn't get to ireland and why there was such a different law

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there at the time well the honest answer is i don't know and there's a lot of speculation about

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why did rome not invade ireland and they also didn't invade scotland i should say

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that's why the hadrian's wall was built by roman roman soldiers or whatever and

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so i would be speculating if i was to say reasons and there's i've recently come across

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some very interesting theories that suggest that and the the irish christian church

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was, it rivaled the Roman Christian church.

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And there's a lot of discussion around this Catholics and Protestants

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thing in Northern Ireland, in Ireland in general.

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But the thing is, like, Protestantism didn't exist for around 400 years

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after the invasion.

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so you have to understand that these were two groups of catholic people at the time

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were rivaling with each other and what was so different about ireland and the uk which wasn't

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it didn't exist at the time but like england what we call england today and you have to say that it

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must have been a clash of legal systems and so the breton law was very different than the

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crown law of the UK or what we now call England or Britain.

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So this is, have you heard of the phrase beyond the pale?

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Beyond the pale.

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Yes, I have, but I can't, I don't know what it would even,

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I heard it but I don know what it would yeah go ahead I going to tell you what it means So the area that was initially colonised by Anglo not English and not British people but Anglo

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they had a lot of area in Leinster that was called the Pale.

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The Pale, because there was basically a fence separating that land

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from the outside Wild Irish.

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Okay.

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And so that fence was called the pale because it comes from the Latin word for palus, P-A-L-U-S, which incidentally comes from the Latin word for phallic, phallus, right?

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And you would imagine why, because it's a, yeah.

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Yeah.

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and then so everything outside that was beyond the pale it's like it's it's wild it's untrained

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it's it's this and that so i think that um and i should say that i was born in england right i was

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born in in london so this is not me like having a go at any english people and

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i think that there was a lot of racism directed towards irish and i i can i have a good reason

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why that was the way it was but um in in the 1300s um i think it was i don't know who was

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the king at the time in england he he issued the statutes uh statutes of kilkenny they're called

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And in it he said things like,

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a traitor to this crown.

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Hmm.

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So you have to really reflect on that a bit.

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These Anglo-Norman lords later became

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what we called Nisgallinanna Gaelfane,

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which means more Irish than the Irish themselves.

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So they were really subsumed

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into whatever the Irish had going on at the time.

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Now, why is that interesting?

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because arguably you would say that they had access to the king's law,

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the crown law,

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but they preferred to go to the Brehens for a resolution of their disputes.

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Why?

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Arguably because it was fairer.

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It was Edward III, I've just found out.

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In 1327, that was came in.

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Right, okay.

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so yeah this is the i suppose the the real beginning the creep of statism

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um yeah you could say that you could say that because the this is what was beautiful about the

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brechen law it was it was designed in such a way that it could be self-executing

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so you didn't require state intervention it just didn't didn't need it and the laws that were made

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the king was bound to those laws as well as the ordinary common man.

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And he would probably be held to a higher standard

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because of this thing called honour price,

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which was an additional metric

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that could be taken into account by the Bretons

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when deciding the appropriate amount of restitution.

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The other thing is there was no enforcement mechanism,

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i.e. there was no police force.

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or king's guard you know who could be called on to enforce the law and this this comes up

434
00:39:15,175 --> 00:39:20,675
in quite an interesting way when you look at the first copyright case that ever existed

435
00:39:20,675 --> 00:39:31,295
it was between uh two monks two saints saint finian and saint columb kill and it centered

436
00:39:31,295 --> 00:39:41,575
around the dispute of the copying of a manuscript. So St. Finian had a, I think it was the Psalter

437
00:39:41,575 --> 00:39:48,415
of Jerome, and St. Colm Kill got his hands on this and he just decided to copy it without

438
00:39:48,415 --> 00:39:54,775
asking for permission. Now, books in early Ireland, believe it or not, were very valuable.

439
00:39:54,775 --> 00:40:05,875
and the once the christianity came to ireland in 432 ad our people tended towards like a more

440
00:40:05,875 --> 00:40:10,555
peaceful existence obviously there were still skirmishes and obviously there were still like

441
00:40:10,555 --> 00:40:18,455
faction fighting and stuff like that and but overall there was a trend towards the written word

442
00:40:18,455 --> 00:40:24,835
so this was very important these these books were very important in early ireland

443
00:40:24,835 --> 00:40:35,455
and and have you ever heard the phrase to every cow it's calf every cow it's calf yeah no this is

444
00:40:35,455 --> 00:40:41,755
the case that it came out of and so what the brehens had to do is they had to find a rule

445
00:40:41,755 --> 00:40:48,335
from nature like find a principle that's evident in nature and apply it to the facts of the case

446
00:40:48,335 --> 00:40:56,475
and then tell that outcome in poetry in a form of a poem yeah so all of the judgments were given as

447
00:40:56,475 --> 00:41:03,375
a poetry um and that's interesting as well because when you go far enough back this what we call the

448
00:41:03,375 --> 00:41:10,695
brehon and the philly which is the poets they were all considered to be druids which is very far back

449
00:41:10,695 --> 00:41:16,775
in the uh in the historical record so you can imagine that there was these druids that were

450
00:41:16,775 --> 00:41:24,135
kind of high priests and lawgivers and poets and musicians and then as time went on they

451
00:41:24,135 --> 00:41:34,095
specialized into different fields and so come back to the case they they had a court case

452
00:41:34,095 --> 00:41:43,835
the the king um was the judge because that was typical for the time and then the judge said

453
00:41:43,835 --> 00:41:48,155
to every cow it's calf, to every book it's little book.

454
00:41:48,875 --> 00:41:52,255
Which means to every cow belongs it's calf

455
00:41:52,255 --> 00:41:54,615
and to every book belongs it's little book.

456
00:41:54,615 --> 00:42:01,855
Which meant that Finian, he was the rightful owner of the little book,

457
00:42:01,955 --> 00:42:04,875
which was the copy, the copy of the manuscript.

458
00:42:05,495 --> 00:42:09,415
And that's considered the first copyright case ever in the world.

459
00:42:09,535 --> 00:42:13,535
It was a couple of hundred years before the statutes of Queen Anne.

460
00:42:13,835 --> 00:42:17,895
so what happened

461
00:42:17,895 --> 00:42:21,555
well there was no police force to enforce the judgment

462
00:42:21,555 --> 00:42:24,815
so typically what happened was

463
00:42:24,815 --> 00:42:27,995
a judge, a Brehan

464
00:42:27,995 --> 00:42:32,655
would be so revered and his words would be considered sacred

465
00:42:32,655 --> 00:42:36,655
and that's why they spoke in the poetic effect

466
00:42:36,655 --> 00:42:41,135
just to give it that extra gravitas

467
00:42:41,135 --> 00:42:47,855
you know that the people would just follow it because it felt right it felt like the right

468
00:42:47,855 --> 00:42:52,835
thing to do and if you didn't follow it you'd be you'd be out you could risk being outcasted by

469
00:42:52,835 --> 00:42:59,835
your community and you'd lose the protection of the law that you had shunned so unfortunately

470
00:42:59,835 --> 00:43:05,295
there was no enforcement mechanism and this led to a great battle the battle of dual krivna

471
00:43:05,295 --> 00:43:10,455
i might be i might not be pronouncing that right but the battle of the book is another

472
00:43:10,455 --> 00:43:18,715
another way that you can describe this battle and column kill and finbar or finian he he um

473
00:43:18,715 --> 00:43:24,415
they both raised these massive armies well they weren't massive armies they were just like it was

474
00:43:24,415 --> 00:43:34,655
a battle um and because of the bloodshed there's a legend that says column kill put himself into

475
00:43:34,655 --> 00:43:42,155
exile to Iona and he never set foot on Ireland ever again now that must have been a big deal for

476
00:43:42,155 --> 00:43:48,875
him because he came from a noble family he came from a noble O'Neill clan I can't remember which

477
00:43:48,875 --> 00:43:55,355
which one in particular but um he went over to Iona and he founded a monastery there

478
00:43:55,355 --> 00:44:02,855
and that became the the temple of Iona the the the monastery of Iona but where is Iona

479
00:44:02,855 --> 00:44:10,735
it's off the coast of scotland okay so not too far you can probably still see ireland on a clear day

480
00:44:10,735 --> 00:44:16,575
you know um but far enough back then you know what i mean it was fair enough for them you know

481
00:44:16,575 --> 00:44:25,375
and so why am i telling you all this because i want to i want to introduce you and your audience

482
00:44:25,375 --> 00:44:32,895
to the concept of Breton Law, but also to bring in this idea of why was Rome against Ireland?

483
00:44:33,475 --> 00:44:36,675
Why did they feel threatened by Ireland?

484
00:44:36,675 --> 00:44:46,095
Now, a lot of people don't realise that King Henry II, I think, the guy who was king at the time of the invasion,

485
00:44:47,395 --> 00:44:54,755
he was sanctioned by the Pope, Pope Adrian, who was the first and only ever, what we would call today, English Pope.

486
00:44:55,375 --> 00:45:03,855
and when you read the papal bull laudabiliter it says it says things like uh okay so he gave

487
00:45:03,855 --> 00:45:10,275
the pope gave the king the title of lord of ireland not king of ireland just lord of ireland

488
00:45:10,275 --> 00:45:14,855
and that was like the representative of the vatican and this comes back to legal person and title

489
00:45:14,855 --> 00:45:22,235
see how it all like knits together that's a title that was granted to the king on behalf of the

490
00:45:22,235 --> 00:45:27,015
Vatican. Why? Because the Vatican wanted to do a couple of things. They wanted to collect a penny

491
00:45:27,015 --> 00:45:36,475
tax per household and they wanted to make sure that the Irish were following the Roman liturgy,

492
00:45:36,575 --> 00:45:43,395
the Roman catechism. They didn't like Ireland because it was almost as if they were saying

493
00:45:43,395 --> 00:45:49,595
everything so long as it's not Gaelic. So long as it's not Gaelic. And why were they saying that?

494
00:45:49,595 --> 00:45:56,955
because after the fall of Rome, all of the monarchies in Europe were getting the authority from the Pope.

495
00:45:58,015 --> 00:46:03,995
It was the bishops who put the crown on the head of the king or the queen, but not in Ireland.

496
00:46:04,775 --> 00:46:09,635
In Ireland, we had traditions that lasted for thousands and thousands of years,

497
00:46:09,775 --> 00:46:15,735
customs that went on as far as time can, as far as old as the hills or as old as the rocks, as they used to say.

498
00:46:15,735 --> 00:46:22,375
since time immemorial we had these customs where you could stand under a sacred tree called the

499
00:46:22,375 --> 00:46:30,175
billa or on your sacred rock or your your coronation mound okay and you'd perform the

500
00:46:30,175 --> 00:46:37,995
ritual of your people your tribe and you could become a king you'd be recognized as king among

501
00:46:37,995 --> 00:46:43,155
your people but they were calling it re or t-shock that's where the word comes from

502
00:46:43,155 --> 00:46:49,375
and that was a threat

503
00:46:49,375 --> 00:46:51,195
to the authority of the Vatican

504
00:46:51,195 --> 00:46:52,435
and

505
00:46:52,473 --> 00:46:54,473
Is this all clicking together, right?

506
00:46:54,893 --> 00:47:02,493
And so the Vatican was more interested in subduing the Gaelic people

507
00:47:02,493 --> 00:47:04,253
and the Gaelic customs.

508
00:47:05,253 --> 00:47:08,773
And this is why I mentioned about this Protestant and Catholic

509
00:47:08,773 --> 00:47:12,453
disagreement up in the north.

510
00:47:13,253 --> 00:47:15,433
The Troubles, as we like to call it euphemistically.

511
00:47:22,473 --> 00:47:24,513
the Pope,

512
00:47:26,073 --> 00:47:26,393
he,

513
00:47:27,293 --> 00:47:28,453
as time went on

514
00:47:28,453 --> 00:47:29,373
and you had this,

515
00:47:29,373 --> 00:47:30,373
this,

516
00:47:31,693 --> 00:47:32,373
like,

517
00:47:34,333 --> 00:47:35,493
Protestantism was made,

518
00:47:35,653 --> 00:47:35,733
right?

519
00:47:35,833 --> 00:47:37,033
King Henry VIII,

520
00:47:37,593 --> 00:47:41,053
he created the Anglican Church,

521
00:47:41,613 --> 00:47:43,013
Protestantism now exists,

522
00:47:43,553 --> 00:47:45,813
and so on and so forth.

523
00:47:46,333 --> 00:47:47,733
The Pope never condemned

524
00:47:47,733 --> 00:47:50,333
their actions in Ireland after that.

525
00:47:50,713 --> 00:47:51,393
Like the Vatican,

526
00:47:51,573 --> 00:47:52,213
I meant to say.

527
00:47:52,473 --> 00:47:54,733
never condemned their actions in Ireland,

528
00:47:54,853 --> 00:47:58,393
even when the Tudors came in and they were doing plantations.

529
00:47:59,393 --> 00:48:05,713
The Pope never explicitly disclaimed that.

530
00:48:07,373 --> 00:48:13,573
So that leads me to believe that the Pope and the English

531
00:48:13,573 --> 00:48:17,193
were kind of working in tandem with each other

532
00:48:17,193 --> 00:48:21,593
to suppress the Gaelic culture and the Gaelic identity.

533
00:48:21,593 --> 00:48:27,973
and that's why it's very sad when you see this like these two factions uh up the north are in

534
00:48:27,973 --> 00:48:35,293
ireland and probably in scotland as well that they're fighting for two empires that are not

535
00:48:35,293 --> 00:48:42,153
their own what do i mean by that the vatican and the crown neither of those empires belong to the

536
00:48:42,153 --> 00:48:48,353
people and they are the subjects of those two entities those two institutions and that's very

537
00:48:48,353 --> 00:48:55,353
sad for me because i want irish people to fight for gaelic ireland once again you know i want i

538
00:48:55,353 --> 00:49:01,373
would prefer if i would prefer if we would go back to our celtic church which was very different than

539
00:49:01,373 --> 00:49:08,433
the the catholic church right um but anyway i feel like i'm kind of going on it on a tangent here

540
00:49:08,433 --> 00:49:13,633
Well, it all leads, you know, all roads lead to Rome, I suppose.

541
00:49:13,873 --> 00:49:14,413
Rome, exactly.

542
00:49:16,333 --> 00:49:18,913
And so there's a lot.

543
00:49:19,313 --> 00:49:20,733
So there's two words here.

544
00:49:22,033 --> 00:49:28,913
Anarchy, which gets bandied around a lot in Bitcoin circles.

545
00:49:29,953 --> 00:49:32,133
What is anarchism?

546
00:49:32,873 --> 00:49:37,033
And I guess that leads also into like a spontaneous order

547
00:49:37,033 --> 00:49:42,753
because there's all of, again, there's a lot of talk in Bitcoin circles about building citadels,

548
00:49:42,873 --> 00:49:47,413
right? Like you wanted to do with your project, you know, Freedom of the Land,

549
00:49:47,913 --> 00:49:52,773
where people just want to congregate, like-minded people. It's very much like the idea of Galt's

550
00:49:52,773 --> 00:50:06,753
Gulch in Ayn Rand's book. Atlas Shrugged, I was blanking on the name. So, yeah. Is this,

551
00:50:07,033 --> 00:50:13,713
is this a possibility in your mind well let's start with how would you define anarchism because

552
00:50:13,713 --> 00:50:20,253
to a lot of people they hear the word and they just think oh my god you know no rules anyone can

553
00:50:20,253 --> 00:50:24,233
do whatever they like that would just be an absolute like you know nightmare that's that's

554
00:50:24,233 --> 00:50:32,213
what the uninitiated uninitiated nor we would just think in that i agree i mean i would say

555
00:50:32,213 --> 00:50:39,213
that anarchy does not mean no rules it means no rulers and that's a very different thing than

556
00:50:39,213 --> 00:50:46,213
saying there's no rules because we can contract what those rules are and that comes back to the

557
00:50:46,213 --> 00:50:51,733
first question that your daughter asked me what is real law law is whatever you said something

558
00:50:51,733 --> 00:50:58,493
really cool something like a man is bound to do only that to which he has agreed yeah a man is

559
00:50:58,493 --> 00:51:05,873
only bound to do that which he has agreed to do because contract in contract exactly yeah so so

560
00:51:05,873 --> 00:51:12,653
what we live under at the moment we have not contracted ourselves at all to do any other

561
00:51:12,653 --> 00:51:19,393
shit that we're forced to do like pay income tax pay council tax uh you know okay contracts can be

562
00:51:19,393 --> 00:51:27,533
expressed or implied and you can you can accept them through your implied performance so when you

563
00:51:27,533 --> 00:51:34,253
apply for a pps number or a national insurance number right that's you giving consent to be

564
00:51:34,253 --> 00:51:39,213
governed that's the trap that's been set that's the trap that's been set and we spring every

565
00:51:39,213 --> 00:51:45,593
single time we're filling out one of these documents right exactly and so um your your um

566
00:51:45,593 --> 00:51:51,713
what what do they call it your your self-assessment your your income tax self-assessment you you just

567
00:51:51,713 --> 00:51:57,633
sprung the trap that the minute you're at the minute ink touches paper uh you and you know we

568
00:51:57,633 --> 00:52:02,373
can get into like uh how a contract's supposed to look and all the boxes on the page and all the

569
00:52:02,373 --> 00:52:07,013
ticks and you've got to sign it in black and all this kind of stuff but that's you setting the trap

570
00:52:07,013 --> 00:52:15,073
and you are now ensnared yeah um so yeah a man can only be bound to do that which he has agreed

571
00:52:15,073 --> 00:52:23,673
to do but you can be presumed to agree based on your performance so when you are paying tax or

572
00:52:23,673 --> 00:52:30,553
when you are applying for a national insurance number or i i see it as a parallel to what happens

573
00:52:30,553 --> 00:52:37,133
in the church what do i mean by that the birth certificate is the baptism into the state you

574
00:52:37,133 --> 00:52:43,493
still there yeah yes birth certificate is the baptism into the state and the the nhs number

575
00:52:43,493 --> 00:52:51,493
the national insurance number sorry is is um equivalent of confirmation that's when your

576
00:52:51,493 --> 00:52:58,213
your parents are pledging you to the state or to the church when you're a baby and then when you're

577
00:52:58,213 --> 00:53:08,373
older when you're come of age you you reaffirm you reaffirm that commitment by saying hi i'm a happy

578
00:53:08,373 --> 00:53:13,173
citizen can i have a tax number please because i want to i want to give you the money back

579
00:53:13,173 --> 00:53:15,553
for half of my labour or whatever it is.

580
00:53:17,653 --> 00:53:24,953
So, you know, we do agree to be subject to the crown or the state

581
00:53:24,953 --> 00:53:27,653
in our actions throughout our life.

582
00:53:28,313 --> 00:53:34,353
And it's very hard to be a full free man, a full sovereign.

583
00:53:35,273 --> 00:53:38,033
Because the way I look at it is, okay,

584
00:53:38,033 --> 00:53:45,513
like when we are gay, when we are communicating with each other, it's like one king talking to

585
00:53:45,513 --> 00:53:51,033
another king, one sovereign addressing another sovereign, right? And so when we enter into a

586
00:53:51,033 --> 00:53:55,793
contract with each other, that's the equivalent of an international treaty between two states,

587
00:53:55,793 --> 00:54:03,693
right? Because there's four, this is this, you like this, there's four characteristics of a

588
00:54:03,693 --> 00:54:09,093
sovereign state in international law okay so they're talking about the state here okay like

589
00:54:09,093 --> 00:54:16,733
the big collective state but where did they get the idea for that i think they took that idea from

590
00:54:16,733 --> 00:54:22,973
natural law which is two men are in nature they approach each other they shook hands because they

591
00:54:22,973 --> 00:54:27,613
were afraid that they were going to stab you know that they they held on to each other's fighting

592
00:54:27,613 --> 00:54:33,173
hands and that and they held on to it while they while they spoke because it was keeping your hand

593
00:54:33,173 --> 00:54:40,593
away from the sword that's where the handshake actually comes from and and we're gonna agree

594
00:54:40,593 --> 00:54:46,973
that like this piece of land over here is mine and that piece of land over there is yours and we won't

595
00:54:46,973 --> 00:54:55,553
we won't encroach on each other's property right i don't think rights exist i think instincts exist

596
00:54:55,553 --> 00:55:03,153
and we all have an instinct to defend ourselves and to defend our family which includes the things

597
00:55:03,153 --> 00:55:10,653
that we own this is where the right to defend the right to defend your property even up until death

598
00:55:10,653 --> 00:55:16,793
actually comes from it doesn't come from rights because they don't exist show me a right you know

599
00:55:16,793 --> 00:55:22,873
it's just something that we collectively agree exists for the sake of uh for the sake of

600
00:55:22,873 --> 00:55:31,493
like peace you know they're interesting concepts but in nature they don't exist what we have is

601
00:55:31,493 --> 00:55:36,793
instinct and based on those instincts we build the law on top of these instincts that all human

602
00:55:36,793 --> 00:55:44,073
beings tend to have so um i forget what i was saying

603
00:55:44,073 --> 00:55:53,653
yeah what were we talking about uh and how did it come around you were talking about ah right yes um

604
00:55:53,653 --> 00:56:00,513
contract you've got two kings making a contract oh i got you yeah i got you yeah yeah so and that's

605
00:56:00,513 --> 00:56:06,933
That's where you would say contract makes the law because you can only be bound to do that which you have agreed to do.

606
00:56:07,053 --> 00:56:08,513
Now, enter the state.

607
00:56:08,913 --> 00:56:12,193
The state has placed an assumption that you are a person.

608
00:56:12,753 --> 00:56:18,813
And we accept that all the time when we go into court and they say, hello, Daniel Prince.

609
00:56:19,413 --> 00:56:20,893
And they're not talking about you.

610
00:56:21,433 --> 00:56:25,473
They have a summons on the desk, which is Daniel Prince in all capital letters.

611
00:56:26,233 --> 00:56:29,113
And they say, is Daniel Prince in the court today?

612
00:56:29,113 --> 00:56:36,113
is this entity is this person in the court today they'll never call you a man they'll never call

613
00:56:36,113 --> 00:56:41,613
you a woman they call you a person which if you you said you had the black's law dictionary there

614
00:56:41,613 --> 00:56:46,093
if you look up a person what does it say it says a corporate entity it says a person is a thing

615
00:56:46,093 --> 00:56:53,913
it's an object so coca-cola is a person of course because it's it's a it's a corporate entity um so

616
00:56:53,913 --> 00:57:02,133
then they will say do you understand the charges today mr prince but that doesn't mean do you

617
00:57:02,133 --> 00:57:08,693
comprehend it means do you stand under the charges do you stand under the charges so what the judge

618
00:57:08,693 --> 00:57:17,133
has to do is the judge has to get you to agree to be bound to the responsibilities and the

619
00:57:17,133 --> 00:57:19,553
the obligations of the person.

620
00:57:20,473 --> 00:57:21,513
And how do they do that?

621
00:57:21,693 --> 00:57:22,413
With language.

622
00:57:22,873 --> 00:57:25,833
They use language to trick us into consenting,

623
00:57:26,053 --> 00:57:27,853
to be a legal person,

624
00:57:27,973 --> 00:57:31,433
to be this entity.

625
00:57:32,073 --> 00:57:34,173
And that's the entity that they created.

626
00:57:34,573 --> 00:57:37,653
And therefore, you have to be bound,

627
00:57:37,793 --> 00:57:39,173
not you, the man,

628
00:57:39,353 --> 00:57:40,473
but the person is bound,

629
00:57:40,553 --> 00:57:42,653
but you accept responsibility for the person

630
00:57:42,653 --> 00:57:44,533
when you agree in court

631
00:57:44,533 --> 00:57:47,113
through your actions and through your words.

632
00:57:47,133 --> 00:57:53,233
that you will pay for the fine now why is that interesting because i've been in court uh plenty

633
00:57:53,233 --> 00:58:00,773
of times okay you've got you've got some you've got some previous there well maybe we can tell you

634
00:58:00,773 --> 00:58:06,333
that story you know uh later yeah but what did what tends to happen is right in the district court

635
00:58:06,333 --> 00:58:14,633
anyway is that the the the accused he says like the judge asked some questions and he says yes

636
00:58:14,633 --> 00:58:21,173
that's me and whatever they leave the room with the with the arresting officer they sign a piece

637
00:58:21,173 --> 00:58:28,073
of paper and then they come back in and they say the judge goes is that your signature and he says

638
00:58:28,073 --> 00:58:44,465
yes why do they do that I don know why do because they want to make sure they want to they want your consent every step of the way and you agree to everything when you in court

639
00:58:44,465 --> 00:58:48,525
well the uninitiated man would agree to everything

640
00:58:48,525 --> 00:58:51,865
because that's the way it's designed that's the way it's set up

641
00:58:51,865 --> 00:58:57,185
so right okay hang on i've got a lot of stuff to get

642
00:58:57,185 --> 00:59:03,685
when you were studying all of this would you go to courts and watch cases

643
00:59:03,685 --> 00:59:10,425
um occasionally yes because that's probably the best place for someone to start if they want to

644
00:59:10,425 --> 00:59:13,865
start learning this thing and seeing for themselves what's going on in the courtroom

645
00:59:13,865 --> 00:59:18,945
yeah as far as i'm aware i've never done it i think you can just turn up and sit in a gallery

646
00:59:18,945 --> 00:59:27,045
of most courts you can in most courts just not family court okay yeah fine so that

647
00:59:27,045 --> 00:59:30,845
could be a good place to start for those people that want to truly go down the rabbit hole and

648
00:59:30,845 --> 00:59:37,205
yeah to your point I've got Black's Law in front of me the 1970 it's a fifth edition I think it's

649
00:59:37,205 --> 00:59:43,245
1973 I can't remember it doesn't say on the front here but whatever in well Black's Law do you before

650
00:59:43,245 --> 00:59:48,045
I read out do you want to explain to people why Black's Law Dictionary is completely different to

651
00:59:48,045 --> 00:59:53,865
like your Oxford or your Merriam-Webster so it's a different language and this is how you interpret

652
00:59:53,865 --> 00:59:59,125
legalese which is the law the language of the law society and that that's just clicked with me

653
00:59:59,125 --> 01:00:05,165
actually you were talking about druids earlier uh the the brehons brehons am i saying yeah yeah

654
01:00:05,165 --> 01:00:13,645
yeah uh they they the the wise most likely men uh you know in those days you could have women as

655
01:00:13,645 --> 01:00:20,185
well but let's just say most of them are men yeah okay wise sages that um you know druid have a

656
01:00:20,185 --> 01:00:26,945
certain look right let's say they probably got long hair um so you can this if you juxtapose that

657
01:00:26,945 --> 01:00:31,025
to today you've got the guy sitting there in the wig or the lady sitting there in the white wig

658
01:00:31,025 --> 01:00:35,625
and then they would talk in poem back in those days because that would give them more gravitas

659
01:00:35,625 --> 01:00:41,805
whereas here they take they're talking legalese so it's the same shit just a different flavor

660
01:00:41,805 --> 01:00:46,585
and when they speak in legalese you're just wowed you're like oh wow they they're very

661
01:00:46,585 --> 01:00:52,925
they're very learned aren't they you're opening up so many doors in my mind i'm so excited to have

662
01:00:52,925 --> 01:00:57,425
this conversation okay come on let's go then like well do you want to do you want to uh read out what

663
01:00:57,425 --> 01:01:04,225
it says about oh yeah person um in black's law in general usage a human being and there's even like

664
01:01:04,225 --> 01:01:12,305
a question mark over what a human is right we could humanism okay go on yeah a human being

665
01:01:12,305 --> 01:01:20,265
um i.e natural person right it just says person again under its own definition though by so in

666
01:01:20,265 --> 01:01:27,365
general usage a human being though by statute term may include a firm labor organizations

667
01:01:27,365 --> 01:01:33,305
partnerships associations corporations legal representatives trustees trustees in bankruptcy

668
01:01:33,305 --> 01:01:39,385
or receivers national labor relations act number two blah blah blah and then it goes on bankruptcy

669
01:01:39,385 --> 01:01:46,525
at Bankruptcy Act Corporation. And then it defines everything that I've just said. So there you go,

670
01:01:46,585 --> 01:01:53,025
guys, you are literally a walking talking corporation, because at the time of your birth,

671
01:01:53,305 --> 01:01:57,565
your birth was registered by your parents, unbeknownst, so they didn't have full consent

672
01:01:57,565 --> 01:02:03,745
in what they were doing. And because your name was in all caps, and you were born in a foundling

673
01:02:03,745 --> 01:02:10,225
hospital that you were literally given up for adoption to the state by filling out that birth

674
01:02:10,225 --> 01:02:17,045
certificate and that's as dark as it gets really and what does human say human um i've tried looking

675
01:02:17,045 --> 01:02:24,645
up this before monster i think that's ballantyne's law dictionary that says that i don't think i've

676
01:02:24,645 --> 01:02:31,045
looked it up before in this particular one and i think it was just pretty normal but

677
01:02:31,045 --> 01:02:34,265
let me just double check

678
01:02:34,265 --> 01:02:35,605
so

679
01:02:35,605 --> 01:02:38,505
I don't know where to go now

680
01:02:38,505 --> 01:02:40,505
because you've opened up so many doors

681
01:02:40,505 --> 01:02:42,565
of avenues in my

682
01:02:42,565 --> 01:02:43,305
mind

683
01:02:43,305 --> 01:02:47,245
go where you see fit

684
01:02:47,245 --> 01:02:48,905
what was I saying about the druids

685
01:02:48,905 --> 01:02:50,465
and dressing up and wearing the wigs

686
01:02:50,465 --> 01:02:51,525
here's the thing right

687
01:02:51,525 --> 01:02:54,925
you were more accurate than you may have

688
01:02:54,925 --> 01:02:56,885
even realised because that's why we call them

689
01:02:56,885 --> 01:02:57,665
magistrates

690
01:02:57,665 --> 01:03:00,825
where does that come from magistrate

691
01:03:00,825 --> 01:03:02,505
Magi straight

692
01:03:02,505 --> 01:03:03,565
what's Magi?

693
01:03:04,025 --> 01:03:05,025
Magi is a magician

694
01:03:05,025 --> 01:03:11,945
when you get down to

695
01:03:11,945 --> 01:03:14,005
the grassroots of these words

696
01:03:14,005 --> 01:03:15,105
it's so interesting

697
01:03:15,105 --> 01:03:17,525
and the trickery that they've played

698
01:03:17,525 --> 01:03:19,305
they, who are they?

699
01:03:19,465 --> 01:03:20,245
well whatever

700
01:03:20,245 --> 01:03:21,145
that's a different

701
01:03:21,145 --> 01:03:24,885
go on, keep going down that

702
01:03:24,885 --> 01:03:27,125
so when you're getting called to court

703
01:03:27,125 --> 01:03:28,205
what do you get in the door?

704
01:03:28,205 --> 01:03:35,985
or a summons right is what uh i think most people would call it i would also call it that because

705
01:03:35,985 --> 01:03:46,145
that's what it is and uh back in the day back in the days of john d the astrologer and a cultist

706
01:03:46,145 --> 01:03:57,505
for um i think it was queen elizabeth the first john d john d d e yeah yeah okay he he was a he

707
01:03:57,505 --> 01:04:02,265
was a brilliant man he was the guy who coined the term he masterminded the british empire

708
01:04:02,265 --> 01:04:11,445
the naval empire he he um he masterminded the british empire he was he was like trying to um

709
01:04:11,445 --> 01:04:17,485
uh he was trying to do the find to find the philosopher's stone

710
01:04:17,485 --> 01:04:24,165
which is how do you turn base metals into gold i don't i just want to put my phone on mute here

711
01:04:24,165 --> 01:04:30,925
right so he was he was an alchemist he was he was an alchemist and he was a scientist and he was a

712
01:04:30,925 --> 01:04:37,745
natural philosopher all of these things kind of rolled into one and he had a friend called um

713
01:04:37,745 --> 01:04:39,285
what was it

714
01:04:39,285 --> 01:04:51,625
i can't remember his name but this friend was apparently very good at summoning spirits

715
01:04:51,625 --> 01:04:58,425
summoning demons well he thought they were angels but let's just say that they're they're

716
01:04:58,425 --> 01:05:04,685
of the angelic family which includes demons and you would never say john d was a madman

717
01:05:04,685 --> 01:05:12,645
because of his brilliance and he was writing these diaries and this is the way these spirits

718
01:05:12,645 --> 01:05:17,125
tend to work they they kind of lure you in with a little bit of this and a little bit of that

719
01:05:17,125 --> 01:05:24,045
and they were always going to get the knowledge but the thing is like the spirits they they they

720
01:05:24,045 --> 01:05:31,065
were very intent on corrupting these two these two men and they eventually said that you need

721
01:05:31,065 --> 01:05:37,725
to swap your wives which back then was was adultery and it was a ten commandment it was a mortal sin

722
01:05:37,725 --> 01:05:44,305
you know and as far as i know they did actually do that in the end but the reason i'm bringing up

723
01:05:44,305 --> 01:05:49,145
john d is because he had a lot of magical books and not just him like all of the alchemists at

724
01:05:49,145 --> 01:05:55,325
the time they they had they didn't separate the sciences yet this edward kelly that you were

725
01:05:55,325 --> 01:06:01,445
talking of edward kelly that that was okay yeah it says here uh john d met a young con man named

726
01:06:01,445 --> 01:06:09,345
edward kelly his life took a turn for the weird right okay okay well that's that's that website's

727
01:06:09,345 --> 01:06:15,285
opinion that he was a con man but okay right i don't know i don't think he was a con man i think

728
01:06:15,285 --> 01:06:22,105
if anything maybe john d was manipulating edward kelly you know um but anyway that's kind of not

729
01:06:22,105 --> 01:06:26,345
the point the point i wanted to make is in order to summon a spirit you need a couple of things

730
01:06:26,345 --> 01:06:33,105
you need a piece of paper with words written on it which is a magic spell you need to know the

731
01:06:33,105 --> 01:06:40,005
name of the demon and you need to have a magical symbol or a sigil in order to have power over it

732
01:06:40,005 --> 01:06:47,665
now go back to that summons that comes through the door right and think about the elements that

733
01:06:47,665 --> 01:06:53,625
that that you feel compelled luckily enough i've never had one and touch wood here i'm

734
01:06:53,625 --> 01:06:58,545
so i've not seen one but i can imagine what it looks like uh it will have a symbol on it

735
01:06:58,545 --> 01:07:05,345
right probably a magistrate's court or something like so a magic symbol on the envelope in fact

736
01:07:05,345 --> 01:07:11,405
i think i think it will have the symbol of the crown right um funnily enough i've been receiving

737
01:07:11,405 --> 01:07:16,465
these um as you can see the symbol here that that's the symbol that would be on the top of

738
01:07:16,465 --> 01:07:21,225
the letter yeah and look at that symbol just look at that symbol yeah tell me it's not magical

739
01:07:21,225 --> 01:07:28,025
of course it is you've got a unicorn on it you've got all kinds of random shit yeah uh you've got

740
01:07:28,025 --> 01:07:35,525
language you don't understand the unicorn is symbolic of scotland and it's that that that

741
01:07:35,525 --> 01:07:41,625
horn on the head is supposed to be the third eye but it's also chained by the neck so is it like

742
01:07:41,625 --> 01:07:47,465
suppressing this anyway i feel like i'm going on a tangent here the main point i wanted to say was

743
01:07:47,465 --> 01:07:54,345
it has a magical symbol in ireland would be the harp it has the book of instructions like the the

744
01:07:54,345 --> 01:07:56,065
the words that dispel

745
01:07:56,065 --> 01:07:58,145
and that has

746
01:07:58,145 --> 01:08:00,605
the name of the spirit who they're trying to summon

747
01:08:00,605 --> 01:08:01,305
and it's you

748
01:08:01,305 --> 01:08:04,465
and so you feel compelled

749
01:08:04,465 --> 01:08:05,985
when you open this letter you're like

750
01:08:05,985 --> 01:08:08,585
oh no I have to go to court

751
01:08:08,585 --> 01:08:09,965
but it's not really you

752
01:08:09,965 --> 01:08:12,565
it's not really you it's just a piece of paper

753
01:08:12,565 --> 01:08:14,525
with your person's name on it

754
01:08:14,525 --> 01:08:16,325
not even your person

755
01:08:16,325 --> 01:08:18,345
our person's name on it

756
01:08:18,345 --> 01:08:21,705
wild mate

757
01:08:21,705 --> 01:08:34,605
and so that's why that's why we call them magistrates because straight is a word for

758
01:08:34,605 --> 01:08:40,405
strategy it's a root word for strategy magical strategists and so you can imagine the two

759
01:08:40,405 --> 01:08:45,365
advocates the two lawyers who all three of them represent are members of the law society

760
01:08:45,365 --> 01:08:51,385
so they're all speaking legalese but what the lawyers are doing is they're it's like they're

761
01:08:51,385 --> 01:08:58,965
conjuring up spirits to go and fight each other so you you create this uh beast through the legal

762
01:08:58,965 --> 01:09:04,725
arguments you build it you build its attributes you build its like armor and everything and then

763
01:09:04,725 --> 01:09:10,025
the next lawyer comes in and goes i'm going to attack that weak point or this weak point and that

764
01:09:10,025 --> 01:09:15,025
weak point and this is why we say objection because you're throwing you're throwing a cube

765
01:09:15,025 --> 01:09:20,625
in front of the in front of the argument you know you're throwing a triangle or a cube an object in

766
01:09:20,625 --> 01:09:27,765
front of the argument that's being conjured objection you're you're putting up an object in front

767
01:09:27,765 --> 01:09:37,085
uh to shield um to shield that right okay to shield that beast that you have built and presented

768
01:09:37,085 --> 01:09:43,545
in the court man this is wild i'd never i'd never thought of it like this um it's never

769
01:09:43,545 --> 01:09:50,965
been presented to me in this way yeah you know i've gone down the maritime law rabbit hole and um

770
01:09:50,965 --> 01:09:56,845
and how so let's say you get to the court you're summoned to the court and you get to that court

771
01:09:56,845 --> 01:10:02,685
is it true that you you need to walk through a little gate to to take the the stand whatever

772
01:10:02,685 --> 01:10:05,785
they call it. In some courts, yes, it's true.

773
01:10:05,785 --> 01:10:13,165
Right. And the minute you do that, that is symbolic of you leaving the land and entering

774
01:10:13,165 --> 01:10:30,857
a ship in dry dock I don know I mean i heard this before obviously i heard this before but i don know where people get that idea from because it only if it depends on what you

775
01:10:30,857 --> 01:10:35,917
have done in the court before that point do you know what i mean it's not i don't think it really

776
01:10:35,917 --> 01:10:41,077
makes sense that you're leaving dry land and you're going into the into the ship in the dock

777
01:10:41,077 --> 01:10:48,997
perhaps that's true i don't know um but i've only had experience in the district court

778
01:10:48,997 --> 01:10:55,557
um i've been to other courts as well just to watch them like you know but i've only been

779
01:10:55,557 --> 01:11:03,957
in the district court um and i i know about the marathon i know a lot about maritime law how

780
01:11:03,957 --> 01:11:12,557
you know everything that's on water is considered a a commodity and so when you come through your

781
01:11:12,557 --> 01:11:19,357
mother's water to the dock who has this who signs the certificate of manifest because you've appeared

782
01:11:19,357 --> 01:11:27,437
and that's the birth certificate right um and then you have you have the the banks of the river

783
01:11:27,437 --> 01:11:34,077
and the currency flows between the banks and the latin word for a bench for a bank is bench

784
01:11:34,077 --> 01:11:41,817
right and the judge sits on the bench and rules from the bench which is the bank okay so i do i

785
01:11:41,817 --> 01:11:47,797
definitely think there's something to that whole uh i mean i know there's something to it but i just

786
01:11:47,797 --> 01:11:52,057
haven't been able to figure out exactly what and how it works and how you can make it work for you

787
01:11:52,057 --> 01:11:58,617
so i wouldn't i wouldn't feel comfortable risking that anymore but when i was younger i did you know

788
01:11:58,617 --> 01:12:06,257
i did feel comfortable to risk it right okay and then there's probably worth talking you mentioned

789
01:12:06,257 --> 01:12:14,717
something earlier the paper ball uh what is that okay so it's it's it's basically like um it's a

790
01:12:14,717 --> 01:12:23,237
spell right um because the grammarians i would consider and grammarians are the men who write

791
01:12:23,237 --> 01:12:29,857
right i would consider them to be the most powerful wizards of our time because what they put on paper

792
01:12:29,857 --> 01:12:35,957
becomes fact becomes law and so you were talking before about what's what's true law

793
01:12:35,957 --> 01:12:43,557
this would be considered positive law and this this this type of law and and it's it's kind of

794
01:12:43,557 --> 01:12:48,257
at the end of the day, force makes the law.

795
01:12:48,637 --> 01:12:50,237
Force is the thing that makes the rules.

796
01:12:51,557 --> 01:12:53,997
And the state is a monopoly of force.

797
01:12:55,057 --> 01:12:57,997
And the Vatican is a state.

798
01:12:57,997 --> 01:13:09,977
And so I would imagine that, I would suggest that the papal bull is a law that's written that applies to Catholics especially.

799
01:13:09,977 --> 01:13:19,097
but anybody who believes it or accepts it um it has has power so in that sense they are like magic

800
01:13:19,097 --> 01:13:23,077
spells because what is a spell but a collection of words that's where we get the word spellings

801
01:13:23,077 --> 01:13:30,017
from you know um a collection of words but if you can get if you can convince people that it's it

802
01:13:30,017 --> 01:13:34,777
actually has power it comes back to the summons like why do you go to court when you get a summons

803
01:13:34,777 --> 01:13:39,437
because you feel emotionally compelled to go and appear in court.

804
01:13:39,517 --> 01:13:43,317
And it says you must appear at this date and at this time.

805
01:13:43,437 --> 01:13:49,077
And then as if by magic, there you are on that date and on that time and in that location.

806
01:13:49,737 --> 01:13:52,517
So it's all about belief.

807
01:13:52,517 --> 01:14:02,657
And that led me to my master's degree, which is in politics, philosophy and economics.

808
01:14:02,657 --> 01:14:06,377
and I wrote my thesis on

809
01:14:06,377 --> 01:14:08,537
okay let me ask you this question

810
01:14:08,537 --> 01:14:12,777
what gives law its force

811
01:14:12,777 --> 01:14:15,397
money its value

812
01:14:15,397 --> 01:14:17,877
and government its authority

813
01:14:17,877 --> 01:14:21,917
belief

814
01:14:21,917 --> 01:14:23,017
exactly

815
01:14:23,017 --> 01:14:26,517
it's all in the mind

816
01:14:26,517 --> 01:14:30,897
we imagine all of this into existence

817
01:14:30,897 --> 01:14:39,637
so and that's not to say it's not real it is real but that's the power of our imagination

818
01:14:39,637 --> 01:14:50,277
even think of that i magi nation i magi nation imagination i am magician and i form a nation

819
01:14:50,277 --> 01:14:56,497
with my thoughts and so i wrote my thesis i was going to write it on

820
01:14:56,497 --> 01:15:05,217
I wanted to blow the lid off the whole system you know and talking about law government and money

821
01:15:05,217 --> 01:15:10,837
but I went to my president of my university to show him my proposal and he just kind of looked

822
01:15:10,837 --> 01:15:18,397
at it and goes this is a crazy proposal I was like I know like where else am I I was actually

823
01:15:18,397 --> 01:15:22,977
in a private university and it was a very small class and I was like where else am I going to get

824
01:15:22,977 --> 01:15:29,237
a chance to do this you know and so what i decided to do then was to just like focus on money as a

825
01:15:29,237 --> 01:15:37,477
belief system and i was uh talking about the origins of money how it started as uh holy medals

826
01:15:37,477 --> 01:15:44,537
like talismans and i even talked about the temple of moneta do you know moneta is a roman goddess

827
01:15:44,537 --> 01:15:49,577
who that was where we get the word mint from and money do you know moneta is where we get the word

828
01:15:49,577 --> 01:15:56,037
money from and it used to be back in the day that you would take some you know semi-precious metal

829
01:15:56,037 --> 01:16:03,037
to the to the temple and the priests would mark it and then that became more valuable why did it

830
01:16:03,037 --> 01:16:09,197
become more valuable so there's another interesting story there was a tribe i can't remember where it

831
01:16:09,197 --> 01:16:17,917
was but they they they valued whale whale teeth and there was a story that some english or i don't

832
01:16:17,917 --> 01:16:24,637
know some explorers came upon these tribes people on the beach and they had some gold coins that had

833
01:16:24,637 --> 01:16:28,977
washed up on the shore and they were throwing them into the water and skimming them off the surface

834
01:16:28,977 --> 01:16:34,497
because they didn't perceive that the gold coins had value because they knew that the whale's teeth

835
01:16:34,497 --> 01:16:43,457
had value and it's all about the psychology of um it this was this marked a leap forward in our

836
01:16:43,457 --> 01:16:49,997
consciousness where you could say a thing that isn't present can have a representation of a value

837
01:16:49,997 --> 01:16:57,877
a thing can have a representation of a value that isn't present so we are now trading in paper money

838
01:16:57,877 --> 01:17:03,757
right which isn't even backed by anything it used to be backed it used to be credit notes so in

839
01:17:03,757 --> 01:17:08,957
england you have a sterling 10 pound sterling you go into the to the bank and you get 10 pounds of

840
01:17:08,957 --> 01:17:12,877
sterling silver but you can't do that anymore you just get another 10 pound credit note

841
01:17:12,877 --> 01:17:21,177
and that's an interesting word as well credit it means belief it means belief so we have a

842
01:17:21,177 --> 01:17:26,477
credit system which is a belief system they're even telling us in their own language you know

843
01:17:26,477 --> 01:17:32,517
but it means belief where's that derived from it's derived from latin and it's also an irish

844
01:17:32,517 --> 01:17:39,937
cred of really it's derived from latin yeah if you look it up on etym online.com which is a website

845
01:17:39,937 --> 01:17:46,977
i use quite a bit what's it what's it called the website etym online so it's etym online

846
01:17:46,977 --> 01:17:54,277
short for etymology i guess yes.com okay and type in credit and you tell me what it says

847
01:17:54,277 --> 01:18:00,877
hang on uh let's do this right now etimonline.com

848
01:18:00,877 --> 01:18:10,017
that's it there don't know if you can see that i've got it now and i'm typing in credit

849
01:18:10,017 --> 01:18:19,897
oh look it has magic symbols on there hang on 1540s belief faith from french credit belief trust

850
01:18:19,897 --> 01:18:30,217
from italian credito from latin creditum a lone thing entrusted to another oh yeah yeah yeah

851
01:18:30,217 --> 01:18:41,417
um yeah so credit is belief and we have a belief system and that's that's what it is you know and

852
01:18:41,417 --> 01:18:47,157
there's no two ways there's no other way of looking at it and i feel like i i have a universal

853
01:18:47,157 --> 01:18:53,017
theory to explain all of reality and it comes down to belief and imagination because we've

854
01:18:53,017 --> 01:19:00,017
anything that's man-made was was conjured into existence through the mind so noah yuval harari

855
01:19:00,017 --> 01:19:05,177
who wrote the book sapiens he talks about it wasn't language that made us what we are it was

856
01:19:05,177 --> 01:19:11,337
the ability to believe in fictions it was the ability to say the great rain god in the sky

857
01:19:11,337 --> 01:19:18,017
needs to be propitiated and so we will all work together to propitiate this great rain god in the

858
01:19:18,017 --> 01:19:28,477
sky um so that's just an interesting um an interesting observation and um where was i

859
01:19:28,477 --> 01:19:32,877
going with that uh yeah i think you're going to tie it back into law and it will be in a belief

860
01:19:32,877 --> 01:19:43,917
system um oh yes so so yeah i spoke about uh the credit system and symbolic value and in the last

861
01:19:43,917 --> 01:19:53,917
chapter i wrote about bitcoin and how can bitcoin establish itself as a in the minds of the people

862
01:19:53,917 --> 01:20:01,677
real money and i said it should adopt the rituals and symbols of what has come before it

863
01:20:01,677 --> 01:20:05,337
So you know the way we have the B with the two lines going through it?

864
01:20:05,417 --> 01:20:06,537
That's a symbol for Bitcoin.

865
01:20:06,997 --> 01:20:08,717
But it's not a symbol on Bitcoin.

866
01:20:09,117 --> 01:20:11,017
It's just a symbol that represents Bitcoin.

867
01:20:12,077 --> 01:20:15,937
And so I think that the intangible nature of Bitcoin,

868
01:20:16,097 --> 01:20:17,797
that you can't see, feel, or touch it,

869
01:20:17,817 --> 01:20:19,997
you can't go and buy a loaf of bread with it, right?

870
01:20:22,577 --> 01:20:26,957
That could be addressed by following what has happened in the past.

871
01:20:26,957 --> 01:20:36,837
so this brings up an interesting point where people would be they push back and say let's

872
01:20:36,837 --> 01:20:41,337
just go back to a gold standard let's go back to barter but i think what you're trying to say is

873
01:20:41,337 --> 01:20:48,417
you don't go back and do the same thing over like you you learn from history and the way i see

874
01:20:48,417 --> 01:20:54,497
bitcoin now is like you know is an invention is it a discovery who knows right that's a separate

875
01:20:54,497 --> 01:21:03,117
thing but it's here now and more and more of us are believing it to be a much fairer form of money

876
01:21:03,117 --> 01:21:10,557
like the hardest soundest form of money we could possibly have stumbled across and we as a species

877
01:21:10,557 --> 01:21:17,357
are evolving it's not a revolution in my eyes it's an evolution we are we are evolving onto

878
01:21:17,357 --> 01:21:25,177
a newer, better form of money, which the implications of are huge.

879
01:21:26,637 --> 01:21:32,517
You know, if you can get the foundation right of money, because money touches absolutely

880
01:21:32,517 --> 01:21:37,637
50% of every transaction, as we know, that touches absolutely everything.

881
01:21:37,897 --> 01:21:43,657
And that will change and shape every system that is built upon it, including the legal

882
01:21:43,657 --> 01:21:49,217
system i won't use lawful the legal system including health including social security

883
01:21:49,217 --> 01:21:54,477
including all of this stuff uh but that doesn't happen very quickly um

884
01:21:54,477 --> 01:22:10,029
i know i was riffing on that is that how how did you come to find Bitcoin then Because here we are an hour and 20 minutes into a Bitcoin podcast

885
01:22:11,489 --> 01:22:15,769
That's interesting that you asked me that because I heard about Bitcoin years

886
01:22:15,769 --> 01:22:17,449
ago on that website,

887
01:22:17,809 --> 01:22:21,109
and I didn't even know what it was.

888
01:22:21,669 --> 01:22:21,949
I just,

889
01:22:22,449 --> 01:22:23,489
so you're going to,

890
01:22:23,569 --> 01:22:25,029
you're going to laugh when I tell you this,

891
01:22:25,029 --> 01:22:30,209
somebody put up a post saying like maybe we should buy this bitcoin it's only 20 cent

892
01:22:30,209 --> 01:22:38,709
and like i'm kicking myself that that post exists and i never bought it at 20 cent because even a

893
01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:43,969
10 are at 20 cents like even if about 10 euros worth of bitcoin at 20 cent that would be worth

894
01:22:43,969 --> 01:22:51,449
a lot of money now wouldn't it uh if you could hold it this long so and but how i was introduced

895
01:22:51,449 --> 01:22:56,929
used to this is what they said to me because we used to meet up every sunday somebody said to me

896
01:22:56,929 --> 01:23:01,849
do you know there's a second internet and it's has their own they'll have their own money on it

897
01:23:01,849 --> 01:23:07,269
i was like what do you know i just i just couldn't get my head around it i know now that they were

898
01:23:07,269 --> 01:23:12,269
talking about the dark now and i know that they were talking about bitcoin but how i came into it

899
01:23:12,269 --> 01:23:19,329
It was probably around, in about, when was it, 2016?

900
01:23:20,929 --> 01:23:23,529
We had a, no, it wasn't.

901
01:23:23,649 --> 01:23:24,809
It was 2015.

902
01:23:26,249 --> 01:23:26,609
Yes.

903
01:23:28,389 --> 01:23:30,329
We had a conference in Prague,

904
01:23:31,189 --> 01:23:34,749
and apparently Nipolis was hosting one of the events.

905
01:23:36,189 --> 01:23:39,189
I'm trying to think, do they have any exposure to it before that?

906
01:23:39,189 --> 01:23:45,309
I think that was the first one because you couldn't buy anything in the in the Paralini

907
01:23:45,309 --> 01:23:51,789
Polis except you pay with Bitcoin and they had an ATM there so they were showing us how to get

908
01:23:51,789 --> 01:23:56,269
the app on the phone I think it was actually there because I just had the mycelium app

909
01:23:56,269 --> 01:24:04,649
and and so that's when I first came aware of it and how to use it and how easy it was to use and

910
01:24:04,649 --> 01:24:11,769
so on and so forth now um the thing is i just removed that app off my phone yesterday actually

911
01:24:11,769 --> 01:24:18,029
but you can see how much that coffee would cost today in bitcoin it's like it's crazy

912
01:24:18,029 --> 01:24:24,769
because i think it was about like sub 500 or something at the time i'm not too sure actually

913
01:24:24,769 --> 01:24:30,189
what it was so did the mind virus kind of start setting into you then because obviously you'd been

914
01:24:30,189 --> 01:24:38,629
down the fiat currency rabbit hole you you knew everything about usury credit system uh the federal

915
01:24:38,629 --> 01:24:43,749
reserve the bank of england i'm sure the formation uh william of orange and all of this kind of stuff

916
01:24:43,749 --> 01:24:50,609
yeah um so when bitcoin presented itself was it like you know the night of a thousand epithelies

917
01:24:50,609 --> 01:24:55,569
again like that's kind of like how it all i remember i would wake up in the middle of night

918
01:24:55,569 --> 01:25:01,969
3am like laser eyes on i'm like oh my god that means this and this and this and this and this

919
01:25:01,969 --> 01:25:11,429
yeah um i don't know if i would describe it as the night of a thousand epiphanies

920
01:25:11,429 --> 01:25:16,969
it was kind of more gradual i think but i just got it from the start i just understood what it

921
01:25:16,969 --> 01:25:22,389
was and i understood what all the things that bitcoin could fix in the world you know and

922
01:25:22,389 --> 01:25:32,949
but I wasn't heavily invested in it at the time yeah yeah it's um I'll doff my cap towards John

923
01:25:32,949 --> 01:25:40,329
Ballas here I had him on the podcast I think back in 2020 and uh he said you know got this t-shirt

924
01:25:40,329 --> 01:25:46,729
on you see the blockchain here uh he said uh you know bitcoin is the existential heartbeat of truth

925
01:25:46,729 --> 01:25:54,289
and that just stuck with me and it will forever because it's like yeah like tick tock next block

926
01:25:54,289 --> 01:25:59,429
every 10 minutes there's just another block of pure truth in there there's nothing in there

927
01:25:59,429 --> 01:26:09,369
that has not happened and cannot be verified and cannot be uh reversed complete contrary

928
01:26:09,369 --> 01:26:15,569
to everything we've ever known with the financial system to which we've been subjected to

929
01:26:15,569 --> 01:26:17,569
yeah yeah

930
01:26:17,569 --> 01:26:21,069
um

931
01:26:21,069 --> 01:26:23,249
yeah and

932
01:26:23,249 --> 01:26:27,229
do we have time to talk about

933
01:26:27,229 --> 01:26:29,589
the time I was in court

934
01:26:29,589 --> 01:26:31,589
yes please absolutely

935
01:26:31,589 --> 01:26:32,889
so

936
01:26:32,889 --> 01:26:35,229
this was this happened

937
01:26:35,229 --> 01:26:37,509
so you were summoned how did it

938
01:26:37,509 --> 01:26:38,269
feel when you

939
01:26:38,269 --> 01:26:39,429
um

940
01:26:39,429 --> 01:26:43,149
so I was never in trouble with the law

941
01:26:43,149 --> 01:26:45,109
before Tir Nassir

942
01:26:45,109 --> 01:26:52,749
but then I was like I was kind of I feel like I attracted this trouble to myself you know

943
01:26:52,749 --> 01:27:00,709
and just because I was ready for it at the time and we were sitting on the grass in the park

944
01:27:00,709 --> 01:27:06,909
on the grass in the park that has wardens and stuff like that and the wardens came down and

945
01:27:06,909 --> 01:27:11,309
told us to get off the grass so I'm telling you this because we weren't smoking we weren't drinking

946
01:27:11,309 --> 01:27:14,569
we weren't causing a disturbance of the peace, let's say.

947
01:27:16,349 --> 01:27:20,849
And the wardens in Ireland, the park wardens,

948
01:27:20,949 --> 01:27:22,629
they kind of have a bit of a chip on their shoulder.

949
01:27:22,769 --> 01:27:25,489
I think they think they're the guardie, they're police, but they're not.

950
01:27:26,089 --> 01:27:28,289
And they said, get up or you'll know all about it.

951
01:27:29,069 --> 01:27:32,549
And I said to my friends, they said, get up or you'll know all about it.

952
01:27:32,549 --> 01:27:33,609
They were threatening us.

953
01:27:33,749 --> 01:27:34,409
Yeah, it was a threat.

954
01:27:34,629 --> 01:27:37,889
Direct threat from an anonymous bureaucrat in a uniform.

955
01:27:38,129 --> 01:27:39,129
Exactly, exactly.

956
01:27:39,129 --> 01:27:43,529
and so they rang the guards the police when i say the guards i mean the police

957
01:27:43,529 --> 01:27:49,289
and i turned to my friend and i said that's a threat man you need to ring the police as well

958
01:27:49,289 --> 01:27:54,749
and so he rang the police and then two two squad cars zoomed into the park

959
01:27:54,749 --> 01:28:04,589
and and this is all on youtube by the way right maybe i'll send you a clip after the video after

960
01:28:04,589 --> 01:28:13,329
um one thing led to another i was reefed off the ground i was i was the only one that was picked up

961
01:28:13,329 --> 01:28:18,129
even though there was a few other people there i was i was reefed off the ground i was put into the

962
01:28:18,129 --> 01:28:23,909
back of the squad car and i i had i already knew the guard of oath so i was sitting in the back of

963
01:28:23,909 --> 01:28:28,629
the car and i was like they were calling me names and all they were trying to make me feel like i

964
01:28:28,629 --> 01:28:36,249
was small and I was like I swear to uphold the duties of Angarda Shia Kana with integrity with

965
01:28:36,249 --> 01:28:41,809
due diligence for the law with impartiality you know and they just they just went quiet then after

966
01:28:41,809 --> 01:28:49,369
that and I think that the guy who arrested me like he was a younger guard and I think that he

967
01:28:49,369 --> 01:28:53,849
he realized very quickly that he had bitten off more than he could chew and

968
01:28:53,849 --> 01:29:05,589
so I was in I was in a cell they wanted my name and my address and I refused to give it to them

969
01:29:05,589 --> 01:29:10,529
and then they said well what's going to happen to me if I don't they then they put a bail bond in

970
01:29:10,529 --> 01:29:13,869
front of me and they said you need to sign this or we're not letting you I said what are you going

971
01:29:13,869 --> 01:29:18,069
to do if I don't sign it well you're going back into the cell and we're not going to let you out

972
01:29:18,069 --> 01:29:21,489
until Monday morning we're going to bring you to the court and you're going to say it to the judge

973
01:29:21,489 --> 01:29:27,189
and I was like okay I better sign it then because that's it that's a direct threat and I don't want

974
01:29:27,189 --> 01:29:33,029
to be threatened I don't want to be have all these bad things happening to me so this is really

975
01:29:33,029 --> 01:29:36,809
important just for your listeners if you find yourself in this situation you can ask the

976
01:29:36,809 --> 01:29:43,389
question what will happen to me if I don't sign this and invariably they're going to give you a

977
01:29:43,389 --> 01:29:49,209
threat okay and then what I did was okay I'm going to sign it and I started to write the words under

978
01:29:49,209 --> 01:29:51,729
duress where I was going to sign it.

979
01:29:52,489 --> 01:30:00,289
But the thing is, the bandguard, the female police woman, she took the pen off me and

980
01:30:00,289 --> 01:30:02,449
she put it down on the page like flat.

981
01:30:02,769 --> 01:30:04,089
No, you have to just write it.

982
01:30:04,129 --> 01:30:05,089
You have to just sign it.

983
01:30:05,169 --> 01:30:06,989
Just sign your name, sign your name.

984
01:30:07,869 --> 01:30:10,709
Even though you could see I kind of tried to write under duress.

985
01:30:11,489 --> 01:30:12,909
So I signed my name through it.

986
01:30:13,749 --> 01:30:16,669
And this picture is floating around on the Internet as well.

987
01:30:16,669 --> 01:30:19,469
How old were you at this stage?

988
01:30:19,529 --> 01:30:21,489
Had you already gone through your master's degree?

989
01:30:21,629 --> 01:30:21,789
No

990
01:30:21,789 --> 01:30:25,229
I hadn't even studied law

991
01:30:25,229 --> 01:30:26,869
Wow, okay

992
01:30:26,869 --> 01:30:28,869
But you still had this kind of knowledge

993
01:30:28,869 --> 01:30:29,409
Yeah

994
01:30:29,409 --> 01:30:32,549
From the night of a thousand epiphanies

995
01:30:32,549 --> 01:30:36,729
When I was going into court

996
01:30:36,729 --> 01:30:38,729
I didn't know any of this stuff worked

997
01:30:38,729 --> 01:30:41,249
I didn't know any of this stuff worked

998
01:30:41,249 --> 01:30:43,109
It was a gamble

999
01:30:46,109 --> 01:30:46,569
And

1000
01:30:46,669 --> 01:30:51,189
So I wrote under duress and that's going to be important later, but I wrote under duress and I signed it.

1001
01:30:52,089 --> 01:30:57,149
So as far as I'm concerned, I'm not bound by that contract anymore because I wrote under duress.

1002
01:30:57,149 --> 01:31:03,809
If I was to go to court and challenge it, I would see that it wouldn't be held up because I signed it under duress.

1003
01:31:03,889 --> 01:31:11,069
Anyway, I was in court then a couple of days later and I didn't sit down.

1004
01:31:11,869 --> 01:31:12,929
I just stood up.

1005
01:31:12,929 --> 01:31:15,469
because when you sit down and they say all rise

1006
01:31:15,469 --> 01:31:17,109
you stand up, you're giving consent

1007
01:31:17,109 --> 01:31:18,089
to your actions

1008
01:31:18,089 --> 01:31:21,869
you're acquiescing to the authority of the court

1009
01:31:21,869 --> 01:31:23,269
everything's a trick

1010
01:31:23,269 --> 01:31:24,129
I know

1011
01:31:24,129 --> 01:31:26,369
and that's why they do it

1012
01:31:26,369 --> 01:31:29,449
because ignorance of the law is no

1013
01:31:29,449 --> 01:31:30,889
excuse though, Daniel

1014
01:31:30,889 --> 01:31:33,429
you can't say I didn't know

1015
01:31:33,429 --> 01:31:35,169
because that's not an excuse

1016
01:31:35,169 --> 01:31:38,449
so they made that law up as well

1017
01:31:38,449 --> 01:31:41,109
well, they made that saying up

1018
01:31:41,109 --> 01:31:41,349
Yeah.

1019
01:31:41,869 --> 01:31:42,349
Right.

1020
01:31:42,609 --> 01:31:43,009
Okay.

1021
01:31:43,209 --> 01:31:45,709
So you go in, you don't sit down, so you just stand.

1022
01:31:46,409 --> 01:31:46,969
I just stand.

1023
01:31:47,029 --> 01:31:49,589
Now, I had three charges, and they were just,

1024
01:31:50,869 --> 01:31:52,729
it was like something that they could just make up.

1025
01:31:53,129 --> 01:31:57,829
It was something like using language that could occasion a breach of the peace,

1026
01:31:58,909 --> 01:32:03,409
refusing to move when you were instructed by a member of Angarda Shia Kana,

1027
01:32:04,129 --> 01:32:07,689
and failure to give name and address when requested.

1028
01:32:08,329 --> 01:32:08,849
That was it.

1029
01:32:09,209 --> 01:32:09,749
Just nonsense.

1030
01:32:09,749 --> 01:32:17,509
But the thing is, you can only ask for it. You can only the police only have the authority to demand your name and address when you've actually committed a crime.

1031
01:32:18,249 --> 01:32:22,409
And I don't believe I committed a crime that hasn't been proven yet to commit a crime.

1032
01:32:22,449 --> 01:32:25,549
There has to be a victim. Am I wrong there as well?

1033
01:32:25,749 --> 01:32:29,489
Well, the crime is actually against society as a whole.

1034
01:32:30,489 --> 01:32:33,049
So legislation is considered criminal law.

1035
01:32:34,969 --> 01:32:37,809
This is what I learned when I eventually went to university.

1036
01:32:37,809 --> 01:32:43,549
when people are saying natural law, positive law.

1037
01:32:43,809 --> 01:32:48,249
I mean, it's all criminal law and civil law.

1038
01:32:48,409 --> 01:32:50,309
It's all kind of like under the same umbrella.

1039
01:32:50,889 --> 01:32:54,109
But all statutes are considered criminal law

1040
01:32:54,109 --> 01:32:56,469
because they're against society as a whole.

1041
01:32:58,449 --> 01:33:00,749
Civil law is between two individuals.

1042
01:33:01,949 --> 01:33:05,709
So whenever the state is stepping in, it's a criminal matter.

1043
01:33:05,709 --> 01:33:11,449
what was I going to say

1044
01:33:11,449 --> 01:33:13,789
you just listed the charges

1045
01:33:13,789 --> 01:33:15,169
so you stood up in court

1046
01:33:15,169 --> 01:33:18,449
you've just been given those three nonsensical charges

1047
01:33:18,449 --> 01:33:20,009
well that didn't happen in court

1048
01:33:20,009 --> 01:33:21,209
but I knew what I was in for

1049
01:33:21,209 --> 01:33:23,289
and they called my name out

1050
01:33:23,289 --> 01:33:26,349
and I said are you talking to me

1051
01:33:26,349 --> 01:33:30,189
so I'm creating

1052
01:33:30,189 --> 01:33:31,609
the separation between

1053
01:33:31,609 --> 01:33:33,709
me the flesh and blood man

1054
01:33:33,709 --> 01:33:37,629
and the entity that they had on the table up there.

1055
01:33:37,989 --> 01:33:40,689
Did they use your full name or Mr. Flanagan?

1056
01:33:41,309 --> 01:33:42,949
Well, they did both, actually.

1057
01:33:43,309 --> 01:33:43,629
Right.

1058
01:33:44,369 --> 01:33:44,869
They...

1059
01:33:44,921 --> 01:33:49,941
Kevin Flanagan, John Garda, whatever his name was,

1060
01:33:49,941 --> 01:33:56,681
I won't say on the podcast, stepped forward.

1061
01:33:57,501 --> 01:33:59,281
And I said, are you talking to me?

1062
01:34:00,441 --> 01:34:02,041
So I'm not creating the join there.

1063
01:34:02,141 --> 01:34:03,921
If I just walked up without saying that,

1064
01:34:04,341 --> 01:34:08,781
they would assume that I was the entity that they were calling.

1065
01:34:09,341 --> 01:34:09,781
You with me?

1066
01:34:09,781 --> 01:34:17,861
so the judge the judge looked up at that point and said to the clerk there's always a bit of

1067
01:34:17,861 --> 01:34:24,501
drama in the district court right sit down sit down we'll call you later they said let's put

1068
01:34:24,501 --> 01:34:30,541
this back let's put this back so they called me a second time and i said are you talking to me

1069
01:34:30,541 --> 01:34:36,561
and then the guarda at the police officer not the arresting one but another one he looked he

1070
01:34:36,561 --> 01:34:40,501
He was standing in front of the judge and he looked at me and he goes, do you think you're Kevin Flanagan?

1071
01:34:44,301 --> 01:34:46,221
Do you think you're Kevin Flanagan?

1072
01:34:47,181 --> 01:34:50,981
And I said, allegedly, but the court may call me, address me as Kevin today.

1073
01:34:52,421 --> 01:34:55,481
And that was that this is like all words play.

1074
01:34:55,601 --> 01:34:56,701
It's all word play.

1075
01:34:56,741 --> 01:34:58,581
And I'm just avoiding the contract.

1076
01:34:58,921 --> 01:35:00,621
I'm not agreeing to anything.

1077
01:35:00,721 --> 01:35:02,481
I'm just asking them questions.

1078
01:35:02,481 --> 01:35:05,761
So if you just said yes, you'd have agreed at that point and you're trapped.

1079
01:35:05,981 --> 01:35:06,341
Oh, yeah.

1080
01:35:06,561 --> 01:35:09,241
well, we were being like implied.

1081
01:35:10,821 --> 01:35:12,821
The court would have been able to assume

1082
01:35:12,821 --> 01:35:15,061
that I was Kevin Flanagan because I said,

1083
01:35:15,161 --> 01:35:16,301
yeah, I think I'm Kevin Flanagan,

1084
01:35:16,421 --> 01:35:19,181
but I don't know what they're talking about,

1085
01:35:19,641 --> 01:35:21,341
what they're thinking of in their mind

1086
01:35:21,341 --> 01:35:22,101
when they ask me,

1087
01:35:22,181 --> 01:35:23,601
do you think you're Kevin Flanagan?

1088
01:35:23,681 --> 01:35:24,761
Because they're basically saying,

1089
01:35:25,061 --> 01:35:26,461
do you think you're this entity?

1090
01:35:27,001 --> 01:35:28,081
Are you this corporation?

1091
01:35:28,341 --> 01:35:30,041
Are you willing to accept liability

1092
01:35:30,041 --> 01:35:30,961
for this corporation?

1093
01:35:33,421 --> 01:35:35,981
So, oh yeah,

1094
01:35:35,981 --> 01:35:39,381
I should have said I had a big Bible under my arm and I had long hair at the

1095
01:35:39,381 --> 01:35:39,601
time.

1096
01:35:39,681 --> 01:35:42,441
So it was tied back in like a warrior style.

1097
01:35:42,641 --> 01:35:43,821
And I was wearing a suit,

1098
01:35:44,381 --> 01:35:44,721
you know,

1099
01:35:44,921 --> 01:35:45,341
I was like,

1100
01:35:45,401 --> 01:35:46,241
look the part.

1101
01:35:47,221 --> 01:35:49,161
And what was the significance of having the Bible?

1102
01:35:49,981 --> 01:35:50,301
Well,

1103
01:35:50,321 --> 01:35:50,961
that's the law.

1104
01:35:53,141 --> 01:35:53,961
That's the law.

1105
01:35:54,241 --> 01:35:56,281
Any particular Bible?

1106
01:35:56,701 --> 01:35:56,721
Like,

1107
01:35:56,721 --> 01:35:58,381
it was a church Bible.

1108
01:35:58,521 --> 01:35:59,101
I don't know.

1109
01:36:00,381 --> 01:36:00,741
Right.

1110
01:36:00,841 --> 01:36:01,081
Okay.

1111
01:36:01,541 --> 01:36:02,821
It was like a Catholic,

1112
01:36:02,941 --> 01:36:03,781
a Catholic Bible.

1113
01:36:03,921 --> 01:36:04,161
Okay.

1114
01:36:04,261 --> 01:36:04,421
Right.

1115
01:36:04,421 --> 01:36:08,121
but it was huge

1116
01:36:08,121 --> 01:36:08,941
and I got it off

1117
01:36:08,941 --> 01:36:10,901
my girlfriend's mother

1118
01:36:10,901 --> 01:36:12,041
who I told her was very religious

1119
01:36:12,041 --> 01:36:12,981
sorry

1120
01:36:12,981 --> 01:36:16,021
I was walking in with the Bible under my arm

1121
01:36:16,021 --> 01:36:17,641
and like just like

1122
01:36:17,641 --> 01:36:19,661
and then I walked up to the bench

1123
01:36:19,661 --> 01:36:22,121
when I eventually got up to the bench

1124
01:36:22,121 --> 01:36:24,461
it was the third time they called me up

1125
01:36:24,461 --> 01:36:28,361
I think it was the last case of the morning

1126
01:36:28,361 --> 01:36:29,581
something like that

1127
01:36:29,581 --> 01:36:32,641
and I eventually now I'm at the bench

1128
01:36:32,641 --> 01:36:33,481
and I said

1129
01:36:33,481 --> 01:36:39,541
they asked me to swear on the bible or something like that and i said i'm a man of god standing in

1130
01:36:39,541 --> 01:36:48,921
the kingdom of god and i request to address this court yeah and then one thing led to another

1131
01:36:48,921 --> 01:36:59,101
and the judge actually got up and left the court now at this time there was about the only people

1132
01:36:59,101 --> 01:37:06,401
were in the court were like 20 of my friends right from tierna syr and the clerk got up and walked in

1133
01:37:06,401 --> 01:37:11,601
to the back room and the guard is across from me and he's in the corner like this

1134
01:37:11,601 --> 01:37:16,941
he's in the corner like this and i was like john that was the arresting officer yeah yeah right

1135
01:37:16,941 --> 01:37:22,541
johnny all right there and he's like yeah yeah that was the best moment actually i love just

1136
01:37:22,541 --> 01:37:30,401
having that sort of like i'm the boss here right and people need to understand that like that you

1137
01:37:30,401 --> 01:37:35,441
know it is your court right it is your court well you're a sovereign and you're entering the court

1138
01:37:35,441 --> 01:37:42,121
of another sovereign right the judge represents the crown or you know they take silk which is

1139
01:37:42,121 --> 01:37:48,201
symbolic of taking the ground of the of the uh you know you don't hear that so barristers they

1140
01:37:48,201 --> 01:37:52,421
do a thing called deviling and when they're finished their deviling they take the silk which

1141
01:37:52,421 --> 01:37:58,161
is literally what they call the idea of like becoming a barrister deviling what was that

1142
01:37:58,161 --> 01:38:05,161
it's when you are um um in apprentice mode and you're following a senior barrister and they're

1143
01:38:05,161 --> 01:38:11,821
teaching you i know it's crazy called the deviling it's called deviling yeah i mean they don't even

1144
01:38:11,821 --> 01:38:19,001
hide it no it's it doesn't get much more satanic and ritualistic than and just on that note right

1145
01:38:19,001 --> 01:38:23,681
the the barristers wear these big black capes yeah these black robes and on the back pocket

1146
01:38:23,681 --> 01:38:30,161
on their shoulder they have a pocket that's where you used to put the money to see how much law you're

1147
01:38:30,161 --> 01:38:34,461
gonna get and they take it out and they'd look and then there was they would argue your case based

1148
01:38:34,461 --> 01:38:41,361
on how much money you put in their pocket so when we say like the the whole legal system is corrupt

1149
01:38:41,361 --> 01:38:49,121
we're right of course yeah of course and i mean you can go even further than that and just look

1150
01:38:49,121 --> 01:38:56,621
at the judges that are given the judgments to people who hurt children and they get very small

1151
01:38:56,621 --> 01:39:02,161
sentences whereas you say something wrong in england and you get a longer sentence than a

1152
01:39:02,161 --> 01:39:09,061
person who hurts a child so and and don't get me started on the fact that the current sitting

1153
01:39:09,061 --> 01:39:14,281
prime minister was head of child protection services as a lawyer overseeing the jimmy savile

1154
01:39:14,281 --> 01:39:20,041
case yeah of course i mean did you see the picture of him when he was a kid yeah several

1155
01:39:20,041 --> 01:39:29,421
yeah groomed yeah exactly so anyway we're kind of off the top yes get get back to so now you've

1156
01:39:29,421 --> 01:39:34,641
you've you're now looking at the the arresting officer who's realized some shit is about to go

1157
01:39:34,641 --> 01:39:36,521
very sideways and

1158
01:39:36,521 --> 01:39:39,061
I think he already

1159
01:39:39,061 --> 01:39:40,781
realised it because actually I didn't

1160
01:39:40,781 --> 01:39:42,721
say this to you but when I

1161
01:39:42,721 --> 01:39:44,841
came into the court I walked up to the guard

1162
01:39:44,841 --> 01:39:46,681
and he was sitting there with a female

1163
01:39:46,681 --> 01:39:48,841
guard rubbing his back telling him it's going to

1164
01:39:48,841 --> 01:39:50,661
be okay and I was like

1165
01:39:50,661 --> 01:39:52,561
John that's for you and I handed him my paperwork

1166
01:39:52,561 --> 01:39:54,921
which was my affidavit

1167
01:39:54,921 --> 01:39:55,321
you know

1168
01:39:55,321 --> 01:39:58,801
that's for you John and I don't

1169
01:39:58,801 --> 01:40:00,601
call him guard I don't call him

1170
01:40:00,601 --> 01:40:02,881
by his full name I just say John that's for you

1171
01:40:02,881 --> 01:40:10,241
because you are addressing him as a man exactly yeah a living man a living man exactly you are not

1172
01:40:10,241 --> 01:40:18,121
pc davies you are john no i mean he lost that he lost that respect when he arrested me without

1173
01:40:18,121 --> 01:40:23,021
cause like i don't see him as a guard anymore i see him just as a man and that he's going to be

1174
01:40:23,021 --> 01:40:32,041
held responsible as a man not as it not behind his badge so so i think that he already knew that it

1175
01:40:32,041 --> 01:40:39,601
was it was going to be bad because he i sent him the notices before i got to the court and anyway

1176
01:40:39,601 --> 01:40:44,801
the judge gets up and he leaves the bench the cop is across the way and i'm like you're right

1177
01:40:44,801 --> 01:40:49,421
there john and he's like yeah yeah yeah i'm fine and then there was a guard standing in front of

1178
01:40:49,421 --> 01:40:54,341
him and he was looking at me like i had two heads he's just like what the fuck are you you know

1179
01:40:54,341 --> 01:41:01,181
and then the clerk came back out and the clerk interestingly is a cleric it's a cleric that's

1180
01:41:01,181 --> 01:41:12,501
why we call it a clerk um and he says this court is now in camera so everybody except for the

1181
01:41:12,501 --> 01:41:19,101
interested parties needs to leave this court and i said is that an order or a request

1182
01:41:19,101 --> 01:41:26,201
and the clerk so in in camera let's just clear that up okay so in camera is a word that they use

1183
01:41:26,201 --> 01:41:32,761
for private like this court is only open to the interested party so family court would be in

1184
01:41:32,761 --> 01:41:43,301
camera is in camera one word but uh it's i n yeah it's two words in camera like like the camera you

1185
01:41:43,301 --> 01:41:48,881
take pictures with right okay never heard that all right okay yeah so they said this court is in

1186
01:41:48,881 --> 01:41:53,581
camera everybody needs to leave the court and i said is that an order or a request

1187
01:41:53,581 --> 01:41:58,841
and the clerk looked at me out of the corner of his eye because they never make eye contact with

1188
01:41:58,841 --> 01:42:04,281
you because you're a thing in their eyes right you're not a real human being and he looked at

1189
01:42:04,281 --> 01:42:09,541
me in the corner of his eye he goes it's a judge's order and i said oh there you go lads give him a

1190
01:42:09,541 --> 01:42:16,321
bill because whoever gives an order is liable to take a bill that's what you do in a restaurant

1191
01:42:16,321 --> 01:42:23,021
you give an order you get a bill upon performance so and this is in the bill of exchange act 1882

1192
01:42:23,021 --> 01:42:30,581
whoever gives an order is liable to accept the bill and i never said this to you before this word

1193
01:42:30,581 --> 01:42:36,901
of silence is agreement so one of my friends in the audience and in the crowd said and it is an

1194
01:42:36,901 --> 01:42:43,521
audience really it's a public gallery it's a it's a show and one of my friends said under the bill

1195
01:42:43,521 --> 01:42:48,381
of exchange act 1882 whoever gives an order is liable to take a bill and my other friend said

1196
01:42:48,381 --> 01:42:55,541
do you understand that oh and the court was silent so what did the judge have to do

1197
01:42:55,541 --> 01:43:02,521
the judge had to come back out where all the people still sitting there and and continue the case

1198
01:43:02,521 --> 01:43:11,941
why because he doesn't have any power except for what we give to him through his threats through

1199
01:43:11,941 --> 01:43:18,341
the gravitas through the force of his words for everything we do in court we agree to

1200
01:43:18,341 --> 01:43:33,941
how did it end well um there was there was there was two more court dates but how did this day end

1201
01:43:33,941 --> 01:43:40,981
right so it doesn't end there oh crap no you've got to go back i got to go back and so what i did

1202
01:43:40,981 --> 01:43:48,241
us it was like two weeks between this date and the next date i was held in contempt in this court

1203
01:43:48,241 --> 01:43:53,481
because i don't know i can't remember exactly what the reason was but if you oh no if you listen to

1204
01:43:53,481 --> 01:43:59,541
it he says if you interrupt me again mr flanagan i'm gonna hold you in contempt and i said don't

1205
01:43:59,541 --> 01:44:06,161
call me mr flanagan in the middle of what he was saying he goes very good contempt what happened

1206
01:44:06,161 --> 01:44:16,601
there you interrupted him and he made an offer of contract if you do x i will do y i did x and

1207
01:44:16,601 --> 01:44:22,681
you accepted the contract i accepted the contract by your actions yeah so in retrospect what would

1208
01:44:22,681 --> 01:44:30,701
you you wouldn't have said anything until you'd finished the sentence in retrospect i do i would

1209
01:44:30,701 --> 01:44:33,901
have done things a bit differently i would have understood that it's a court and you're supposed

1210
01:44:33,901 --> 01:44:34,641
to take turns.

1211
01:44:35,501 --> 01:44:36,201
Right, okay.

1212
01:44:36,261 --> 01:44:37,041
Like a tennis court.

1213
01:44:37,541 --> 01:44:39,421
So I've just found in camera

1214
01:44:39,421 --> 01:44:41,001
in Black's Law Dictionary here,

1215
01:44:41,241 --> 01:44:43,741
in chambers, in private,

1216
01:44:44,041 --> 01:44:45,981
a cause is said to be heard in camera

1217
01:44:45,981 --> 01:44:50,241
either when the hearing is had before the judge,

1218
01:44:50,381 --> 01:44:51,901
when the hearing is had before the judge

1219
01:44:51,901 --> 01:44:53,001
in his private chambers

1220
01:44:53,001 --> 01:44:54,901
or when all spectators are excluded

1221
01:44:54,901 --> 01:44:55,781
from the courtroom.

1222
01:44:57,021 --> 01:44:57,181
Man.

1223
01:44:58,341 --> 01:44:58,541
Yeah.

1224
01:44:59,121 --> 01:45:01,961
Because they didn't want the audience

1225
01:45:01,961 --> 01:45:07,761
to see us going off script absolutely just going off script because that's not what's supposed to

1226
01:45:07,761 --> 01:45:13,221
happen no that's everybody has their roles you have the defendant you have the plaintiff you

1227
01:45:13,221 --> 01:45:17,961
have the lawyers you have the judge you have the clerk you have the the transcriber and they all

1228
01:45:17,961 --> 01:45:22,961
have their set roles bread and circuses off the script they don't know how to deal with that

1229
01:45:22,961 --> 01:45:34,619
bread and circuses isn it it just in theater exactly and so but you can you can watch the theater up until like you can it like you know cut the transmission exactly exactly yes yes

1230
01:45:34,619 --> 01:45:40,659
and this this happened later in the day so i was held in contempt i was in there for about

1231
01:45:40,659 --> 01:45:47,419
an hour or maybe more and they took my shoelaces off they took my belt off they took my bible away

1232
01:45:47,419 --> 01:45:51,559
and so they were checking

1233
01:45:51,559 --> 01:45:53,219
every so often and I'd hear

1234
01:45:53,219 --> 01:45:54,459
so I sat in my cell

1235
01:45:54,459 --> 01:45:56,619
on this concrete bed

1236
01:45:56,619 --> 01:45:58,399
and I just meditated

1237
01:45:58,399 --> 01:46:00,619
and I was listening

1238
01:46:00,619 --> 01:46:03,079
you know and when I heard the hatch opening

1239
01:46:03,079 --> 01:46:04,859
in the door I just looked

1240
01:46:04,859 --> 01:46:08,279
I could see the eyes going

1241
01:46:08,279 --> 01:46:11,139
I'm locking it up again

1242
01:46:11,139 --> 01:46:13,059
you know I was just trying to get into their heads

1243
01:46:13,059 --> 01:46:14,879
because they're all probably thinking like

1244
01:46:14,879 --> 01:46:16,339
what is this guy?

1245
01:46:16,339 --> 01:46:21,879
like who is this guy how does he know what he knows and why is he why is he still this far into

1246
01:46:21,879 --> 01:46:26,639
it why hasn't the judge brought out the mental health act because they have the power to do that

1247
01:46:26,639 --> 01:46:33,139
but he didn't do it he didn't do it and so when i was going back into the court who was carrying me

1248
01:46:33,139 --> 01:46:37,119
in who was bringing me in but the arresting officer right and another officer as well

1249
01:46:37,119 --> 01:46:44,739
and they had i had the handcuffs on and uh i was like where's my bible i'm not going back into the

1250
01:46:44,739 --> 01:46:52,959
court without my bible and he was like please the arresting officer was like please don't make this

1251
01:46:52,959 --> 01:46:57,319
difficult for me like please let's go into the back into the court come on don't don't be making

1252
01:46:57,319 --> 01:47:02,519
a big deal and i just like i felt sorry for him i was like okay fine whatever and so i'm sitting

1253
01:47:02,519 --> 01:47:06,779
in the court and it was like it's like i was outside the principal's office you know in school

1254
01:47:06,779 --> 01:47:12,799
because i had my my shirt was open and the my tie was off and but in the back of the back of the

1255
01:47:12,799 --> 01:47:17,899
court there was a bunch of school kids taking notes with their teacher right they're there to

1256
01:47:17,899 --> 01:47:23,139
observe the court and i was called the very last case of the day the very very last case of the day

1257
01:47:23,139 --> 01:47:26,839
and so when my case was being called the sergeant went down and asked the teacher

1258
01:47:26,839 --> 01:47:33,419
to leave with the school kids wow yeah they didn't want the teacher to see or the school kids to see

1259
01:47:33,419 --> 01:47:42,659
how i was performing what i was doing and so the judge said you seem to be a relatively

1260
01:47:42,659 --> 01:47:46,859
intelligent young man Mr Flanagan but I would advise you to be very careful about what happens

1261
01:47:46,859 --> 01:47:54,279
next which I don't know what to make of that and he said in light of the difficulty that you've had

1262
01:47:54,279 --> 01:48:01,299
this morning they not not consenting the contempt and so on I'm prepared to remand your case for a

1263
01:48:01,299 --> 01:48:09,939
period of two weeks very good did you hear that he offered he made me an offer of contract and he

1264
01:48:09,939 --> 01:48:16,959
gave me some time to respond a couple a couple of milliseconds yeah and he went very good and he was

1265
01:48:16,959 --> 01:48:24,019
about to start writing on his paper now i should backtrack a bit he said you're here to enter a plea

1266
01:48:24,019 --> 01:48:29,839
guilty or not guilty and i said am i not presumed innocent right

1267
01:48:29,839 --> 01:48:37,259
and he's just like falling over his words no you're you have two pleas that are open to you

1268
01:48:37,259 --> 01:48:42,559
today and I'm not in a position to advise from the bench so guilty or not guilty and I said but

1269
01:48:42,559 --> 01:48:51,139
if I enter a plea have I entered into a contract he said I'm not in a position to give you advice

1270
01:48:51,139 --> 01:48:56,219
from the bench I would advise to get a lawyer and in light of the difficulty that you had earlier

1271
01:48:56,219 --> 01:49:01,699
today I'm going to remand your case for two weeks very good and I said I do not accept that he goes

1272
01:49:01,699 --> 01:49:02,599
He did not accept that.

1273
01:49:03,199 --> 01:49:05,719
And then I ripped out this magical spell.

1274
01:49:05,919 --> 01:49:14,879
I said, I waive the benefits and I release the court of its duty to perform as consideration.

1275
01:49:15,319 --> 01:49:18,719
And his face, he went like, oh, good move.

1276
01:49:20,399 --> 01:49:23,019
He didn't say good move, but I could see it in his eye.

1277
01:49:23,119 --> 01:49:26,819
He was just like, this guy, like, what the heck?

1278
01:49:27,039 --> 01:49:28,179
Who is this man?

1279
01:49:28,379 --> 01:49:29,839
And how does he know these things?

1280
01:49:29,839 --> 01:49:32,439
because let me break down what I just said there.

1281
01:49:33,279 --> 01:49:37,219
The courts exist to provide a service to the citizenry.

1282
01:49:38,179 --> 01:49:39,919
It's basically like going to confession.

1283
01:49:40,079 --> 01:49:40,899
You confess your sins.

1284
01:49:40,999 --> 01:49:41,799
They give you a penance.

1285
01:49:41,979 --> 01:49:42,739
You do your penance.

1286
01:49:44,939 --> 01:49:47,079
What I was saying is I waive the benefit.

1287
01:49:47,179 --> 01:49:48,079
I don't need your service,

1288
01:49:48,479 --> 01:49:50,379
but I'm going to offer you another contract.

1289
01:49:50,379 --> 01:49:51,799
And in that contract,

1290
01:49:51,919 --> 01:49:56,019
I'm releasing you of your duty to perform as consideration

1291
01:49:56,019 --> 01:49:58,999
because all contracts need to have consideration, right?

1292
01:49:59,839 --> 01:50:02,239
and it was just like a solid,

1293
01:50:02,719 --> 01:50:03,639
it was a solid,

1294
01:50:04,219 --> 01:50:08,799
it was a solid rejection of his offer

1295
01:50:08,799 --> 01:50:10,399
with a counteroffer.

1296
01:50:10,499 --> 01:50:11,659
With a counteroffer, exactly.

1297
01:50:11,799 --> 01:50:14,659
You are offering him a contract.

1298
01:50:14,899 --> 01:50:17,079
A way out of it, essentially a way out of it.

1299
01:50:17,379 --> 01:50:18,339
And he said,

1300
01:50:19,459 --> 01:50:21,779
I'm remanding your case for a period of two weeks,

1301
01:50:21,819 --> 01:50:22,859
your comment notwithstanding.

1302
01:50:23,619 --> 01:50:25,679
I didn't know what notwithstanding meant at the time.

1303
01:50:25,759 --> 01:50:27,179
Now I know it means anyway,

1304
01:50:27,259 --> 01:50:28,759
or in spite of what you just said.

1305
01:50:29,839 --> 01:50:34,899
And there's a concept in contract law called the last shot doctrine.

1306
01:50:34,899 --> 01:50:42,019
And this comes back to what we were saying before about magic, you know, that the two lawyers, they have their wands and they're conjuring their beasts.

1307
01:50:42,439 --> 01:50:45,499
It's the last shot that wins. Right.

1308
01:50:46,139 --> 01:50:49,979
And so he said, I'm reminding you're free to go for a period of two weeks.

1309
01:50:50,079 --> 01:50:53,699
And I was like, so I'm free to go. You're free to go for a period of two weeks.

1310
01:50:53,899 --> 01:50:58,039
I'm free to go. And he was like over the bench as I was walking out the door.

1311
01:50:58,039 --> 01:51:05,279
you're free to go for a period of two weeks so that was that and uh i was with all my friends

1312
01:51:05,279 --> 01:51:09,039
and we were walking around the front of the court and who walks out but the judge he walks past us

1313
01:51:09,039 --> 01:51:13,819
and that was that so what did i do next i wrote a letter to the judge because i'm like what am i

1314
01:51:13,819 --> 01:51:20,219
gonna do i can't not show up because i did uh were you getting any advice to how to handle this were

1315
01:51:20,219 --> 01:51:25,739
you just riffing all of this by yourself well no i had i had been learning it you know i had been

1316
01:51:25,739 --> 01:51:28,259
studying it and that

1317
01:51:28,259 --> 01:51:29,959
night of a thousand epiphanies

1318
01:51:29,959 --> 01:51:32,239
all clicked in my head. I just

1319
01:51:32,239 --> 01:51:34,399
knew, I suspected this

1320
01:51:34,399 --> 01:51:36,279
is the way the law worked and this day

1321
01:51:36,279 --> 01:51:38,359
I would say I learned more about law

1322
01:51:38,359 --> 01:51:40,399
in that day than I did in three

1323
01:51:40,399 --> 01:51:41,399
years of university.

1324
01:51:43,439 --> 01:51:44,359
I should say

1325
01:51:44,359 --> 01:51:46,279
as well there was a lawyer, when the judge

1326
01:51:46,279 --> 01:51:48,419
got up and left I actually walked out of the court

1327
01:51:48,419 --> 01:51:50,499
and the lawyer came up to me and says go back

1328
01:51:50,499 --> 01:51:52,059
in there, go back in there, that's a trap.

1329
01:51:53,859 --> 01:51:54,459
Which I

1330
01:51:54,459 --> 01:51:58,059
I don't know if it was or it wasn't, but that same lawyer was outside the court the second day.

1331
01:51:58,799 --> 01:52:00,879
Now, what happened in the meantime was I had two weeks.

1332
01:52:00,879 --> 01:52:08,319
So I sent them a judge to judge a letter saying, I've reconsidered your invitation to attend your place of business.

1333
01:52:08,939 --> 01:52:10,499
And I'd like to accept.

1334
01:52:10,679 --> 01:52:13,739
However, here's my fee schedule.

1335
01:52:14,919 --> 01:52:22,679
300 euro per hour if for just for attending and 3000 euro per hour if I'm incarcerated or otherwise detained.

1336
01:52:23,679 --> 01:52:24,279
Right.

1337
01:52:24,459 --> 01:52:31,719
So the lawyer was outside and he was talking to me and he's like, oh, I remember being young once and being ideological.

1338
01:52:32,259 --> 01:52:33,979
And, you know, and I was just kind of like.

1339
01:52:35,999 --> 01:52:38,399
You know, like don't patronize me, you know what I mean?

1340
01:52:39,239 --> 01:52:45,759
And I just said to him, well, I sent me I sent a judge my fee schedule and he went, very good, very good.

1341
01:52:46,719 --> 01:52:50,679
He didn't say you can't. He didn't say there's any laws precluding you from doing that.

1342
01:52:50,679 --> 01:52:55,699
I sent that judge my fee schedule and he knew what it was the lawyer knew what it was

1343
01:52:55,699 --> 01:53:02,799
and so that second time I was in the court and I was called out immediately so it wasn't I wasn't

1344
01:53:02,799 --> 01:53:12,059
even in there five five or ten minutes you know the clerk came out the judge came out and my name

1345
01:53:12,059 --> 01:53:17,819
was called before the judge even had his ass in the chair and I went up and I had I had a few

1346
01:53:17,819 --> 01:53:21,779
weeks to prepare now right i had like two weeks to prepare and i was doing all this spider chart

1347
01:53:21,779 --> 01:53:25,979
if they say this and they say that and what i wanted to do that time was get it into being

1348
01:53:25,979 --> 01:53:30,199
in camera because that would be a chance for me to look at the guard in the eye and go look can

1349
01:53:30,199 --> 01:53:35,239
we just shake on it and leave it at that though that would be a manly way to deal with it you know

1350
01:53:35,239 --> 01:53:41,219
um but the judge was having none of it he's like you're here to answer a plea and your plea is

1351
01:53:41,219 --> 01:53:44,959
guilty or not guilty and i was like but like how can i answer a plea if i don't know the facts of

1352
01:53:44,959 --> 01:53:49,939
the case like it was not okay we're manding your case for six weeks and i was out so it was very

1353
01:53:49,939 --> 01:53:55,139
quick i wrote the judge a letter and it's like afterwards it's like i'm gonna waive the

1354
01:53:55,139 --> 01:54:01,399
the appearance fee the 300 exactly exactly because sometimes you have to pick

1355
01:54:01,399 --> 01:54:06,519
your battles you know uh but they gave me six weeks then till the next case

1356
01:54:06,519 --> 01:54:09,619
which is three periods of two weeks which gives me three

1357
01:54:09,619 --> 01:54:19,819
to send three notices with two weeks of um a response so i sent the first notice saying look

1358
01:54:19,819 --> 01:54:24,919
this is what i claim has happened if anything i'm the victim here and but you have you have two weeks

1359
01:54:24,919 --> 01:54:29,659
to rebut this and i sent it to the cop and i sent it to the attorney general and all these like

1360
01:54:29,659 --> 01:54:34,439
important people and you're doing all of this registered mail as well i'm sure mail yeah okay

1361
01:54:34,439 --> 01:54:47,819
and so yeah and what was the notice notice of um i think it was uh just notice right which which

1362
01:54:47,819 --> 01:54:56,359
means like know this oh of course notice right okay know this you know take notice and so each

1363
01:54:56,359 --> 01:55:01,659
notice carries 14 days uh and if no response you can follow up again right okay that's exactly it

1364
01:55:01,659 --> 01:55:03,399
Yeah, so 14 days passed.

1365
01:55:03,919 --> 01:55:06,639
And then another 14 days, I said, I've given you a final chance.

1366
01:55:06,919 --> 01:55:10,659
And if you don't respond to this, this is what I am accepting is the truth.

1367
01:55:10,999 --> 01:55:14,099
And an unreborted affidavit stands as truth in commerce, in law.

1368
01:55:14,499 --> 01:55:17,579
And so here's what you're going to leave me with the understanding of.

1369
01:55:17,579 --> 01:55:20,019
I said, there is no crime.

1370
01:55:20,319 --> 01:55:21,539
There is no case to be called.

1371
01:55:21,759 --> 01:55:23,099
So you're going to instruct your judge.

1372
01:55:23,159 --> 01:55:26,479
You're going to instruct the cop not to call the case.

1373
01:55:26,839 --> 01:55:30,939
And I'm not going to be there on the date that you've given me to be in court.

1374
01:55:30,939 --> 01:55:34,359
I'm just not going to turn up because I've already established through my affidavits.

1375
01:55:34,699 --> 01:55:35,579
And what's an affidavit?

1376
01:55:35,659 --> 01:55:43,039
It's a written form of testimony, which is the equivalent of what you do in the box when you put your hand on the Bible and you say, here's what happened to me.

1377
01:55:43,359 --> 01:55:44,599
It's the equivalent of that.

1378
01:55:45,039 --> 01:55:48,519
And I said, I'm not going to be in the court at all.

1379
01:55:49,279 --> 01:55:50,339
And so I'm a man of my word.

1380
01:55:50,399 --> 01:55:51,299
So I didn't go to the court.

1381
01:55:51,339 --> 01:55:54,639
But I went to a bar down the road and I sent my friends in with my paperwork.

1382
01:55:55,279 --> 01:55:58,279
And they said that they tried to give it into the court.

1383
01:55:58,399 --> 01:55:59,719
My name was on the list on the door.

1384
01:55:59,719 --> 01:56:02,159
it was a different judge now

1385
01:56:02,159 --> 01:56:04,139
and the cop didn't show up either

1386
01:56:04,139 --> 01:56:06,799
they tried to give my paperwork into the court

1387
01:56:06,799 --> 01:56:08,059
and the file wasn't there

1388
01:56:08,059 --> 01:56:09,579
it wasn't even in the court

1389
01:56:09,579 --> 01:56:13,399
so after that they came and joined me in the pub

1390
01:56:13,399 --> 01:56:14,299
they were there for the whole day

1391
01:56:14,299 --> 01:56:15,659
they came at around half four

1392
01:56:15,659 --> 01:56:17,159
they joined me in the bar

1393
01:56:17,159 --> 01:56:20,239
and we had to celebrate three point

1394
01:56:20,239 --> 01:56:22,679
because it was like I had beaten the system

1395
01:56:22,679 --> 01:56:26,279
but that bail bond came to bite me in the ass

1396
01:56:26,279 --> 01:56:33,019
the bail bond came to bite me in the ass because it was sent to swords which was my local guarda

1397
01:56:33,019 --> 01:56:38,979
station at the time and i got a phone call one day from the warrant officer there and it's like

1398
01:56:38,979 --> 01:56:44,559
i have a bench warrant for your arrest and i was like hold on a second do you even know what you're

1399
01:56:44,559 --> 01:56:49,859
what you're dealing with here like have you are you are you fully are you under full understanding

1400
01:56:49,859 --> 01:56:54,939
of the fact of the case do you understand that you could be personally liable where's your office

1401
01:56:54,939 --> 01:56:56,319
I'm coming down to see you

1402
01:56:56,319 --> 01:56:58,899
he was like what

1403
01:56:58,899 --> 01:57:00,859
because he's usually chasing

1404
01:57:00,859 --> 01:57:02,799
people you know so

1405
01:57:02,799 --> 01:57:19,758
one thing led to another and look it was months and months went by and I lost I lost a bit of my fight Do you know what I mean I just kind of I just ended up submitting to the process

1406
01:57:20,518 --> 01:57:27,398
Even though I knew I didn't, even though I knew I was in the right, I just didn't have the energy to fight it anymore.

1407
01:57:28,538 --> 01:57:32,258
Because they wore me down, you know, and it was just me doing it by myself.

1408
01:57:32,258 --> 01:57:33,097
so

1409
01:57:33,097 --> 01:57:36,278
on the day after my birthday

1410
01:57:36,278 --> 01:57:37,818
the following year

1411
01:57:37,818 --> 01:57:38,578
so that was like

1412
01:57:38,578 --> 01:57:39,338
at the end of

1413
01:57:39,338 --> 01:57:40,578
I don't know what year it was

1414
01:57:40,578 --> 01:57:40,798
but

1415
01:57:40,798 --> 01:57:43,798
the day after my birthday

1416
01:57:43,798 --> 01:57:45,158
15th of August

1417
01:57:45,158 --> 01:57:47,278
very early in the morning

1418
01:57:47,278 --> 01:57:48,857
Mariah Van

1419
01:57:48,857 --> 01:57:50,238
and two squad cars

1420
01:57:50,238 --> 01:57:51,738
knocked at the door

1421
01:57:51,738 --> 01:57:52,838
and

1422
01:57:52,838 --> 01:57:54,278
my

1423
01:57:54,278 --> 01:57:55,838
girlfriend's mother

1424
01:57:55,838 --> 01:57:56,758
came into the room

1425
01:57:56,758 --> 01:57:58,078
she was also an Irish speaker

1426
01:57:58,078 --> 01:57:58,597
and she said

1427
01:57:58,597 --> 01:58:04,118
which means the police are at the door

1428
01:58:04,118 --> 01:58:07,178
and I just got up

1429
01:58:07,178 --> 01:58:07,898
and I just like

1430
01:58:07,898 --> 01:58:09,918
I just kind of surrendered

1431
01:58:09,918 --> 01:58:10,357
you know

1432
01:58:10,357 --> 01:58:11,678
I didn't even pick up my tobacco

1433
01:58:11,678 --> 01:58:12,578
when I was walking out

1434
01:58:12,578 --> 01:58:14,658
I used to smoke

1435
01:58:14,658 --> 01:58:16,178
heavily

1436
01:58:16,178 --> 01:58:17,278
and

1437
01:58:17,278 --> 01:58:20,398
I remember sitting in

1438
01:58:20,398 --> 01:58:21,977
Mount Joy prison cell

1439
01:58:21,977 --> 01:58:25,098
I was supposed to be there for three days

1440
01:58:25,098 --> 01:58:26,378
but I was only there for one day

1441
01:58:26,378 --> 01:58:27,638
because they don't have the facilities

1442
01:58:27,638 --> 01:58:29,798
or the beds or whatever, they're overcrowded.

1443
01:58:30,538 --> 01:58:32,418
And I remember sitting there thinking like,

1444
01:58:32,878 --> 01:58:35,258
we don't have a justice system.

1445
01:58:35,598 --> 01:58:38,558
We have a legal system and that's a very different thing.

1446
01:58:39,477 --> 01:58:41,357
And then from then on,

1447
01:58:41,658 --> 01:58:44,538
I was determined to learn about the legal system,

1448
01:58:45,578 --> 01:58:46,717
learn about the statutes,

1449
01:58:46,918 --> 01:58:49,438
learn about the Criminal Justice Act,

1450
01:58:49,438 --> 01:58:52,298
learn about the case law as well.

1451
01:58:52,438 --> 01:58:53,738
Because case law is common law.

1452
01:58:54,798 --> 01:58:56,318
Case law is common law.

1453
01:58:57,638 --> 01:59:02,698
Common law is the collected judgment of the judges,

1454
01:59:02,998 --> 01:59:04,598
which form precedent.

1455
01:59:04,798 --> 01:59:05,998
And that's what common law is.

1456
01:59:08,398 --> 01:59:11,477
So that's why in like all the TV dramas that you watch,

1457
01:59:11,578 --> 01:59:13,818
they will, you know, rattle off.

1458
01:59:13,918 --> 01:59:20,298
Oh, in case number 634, 1971, Richards versus Dawkins, blah, blah, blah.

1459
01:59:20,658 --> 01:59:21,138
Right.

1460
01:59:21,378 --> 01:59:21,678
Okay.

1461
01:59:22,038 --> 01:59:23,838
So that's why case law is studied.

1462
01:59:23,838 --> 01:59:24,398
That's common law.

1463
01:59:24,838 --> 01:59:25,058
Right.

1464
01:59:25,058 --> 01:59:25,398
Okay.

1465
01:59:25,398 --> 01:59:31,938
And so it was at that point where I decided, well, I think I was already in.

1466
01:59:32,758 --> 01:59:34,738
I think I'd already started my degree.

1467
01:59:36,278 --> 01:59:40,258
But I just remember thinking to myself, we don't have a justice system.

1468
01:59:40,558 --> 01:59:44,857
If we did have a justice system, I wouldn't be sitting in a jail cell right now.

1469
01:59:45,538 --> 01:59:49,678
And overcrowded one with other people that have done absolutely nothing wrong.

1470
01:59:49,678 --> 01:59:53,278
Exactly. There's three other lads in there.

1471
01:59:53,278 --> 02:00:00,357
and they were in for like drunken disorderly most of them and you know uh i wouldn't say they're

1472
02:00:00,357 --> 02:00:05,838
innocent but i was certainly innocent because i hadn't done anything wrong at least that's what i

1473
02:00:05,838 --> 02:00:10,138
thought and then i realized that we don't have a justice system we have a legal system and that's

1474
02:00:10,138 --> 02:00:17,118
a very different thing and so i determined to i was determined then to learn the legal the legalities

1475
02:00:17,118 --> 02:00:21,198
because I see now, I see the system like computer program

1476
02:00:21,198 --> 02:00:27,977
and the laws are the programs that generate all of the activities

1477
02:00:27,977 --> 02:00:29,958
that are happening in that system.

1478
02:00:31,198 --> 02:00:36,258
And for that reason, I wanted to learn how to hack the system.

1479
02:00:36,498 --> 02:00:37,458
How do you hack the system?

1480
02:00:37,518 --> 02:00:38,998
So I never wanted to be a solicitor.

1481
02:00:39,538 --> 02:00:42,118
That was never my dream or a barrister

1482
02:00:42,118 --> 02:00:46,678
because I knew what the industry, how it worked.

1483
02:00:47,118 --> 02:00:47,918
And I would...

1484
02:00:47,918 --> 02:00:48,477
And look at the word solicitor.

1485
02:00:49,118 --> 02:00:49,538
Yes.

1486
02:00:50,618 --> 02:00:52,778
They solicit business, right?

1487
02:00:53,578 --> 02:00:58,438
And the crime of solicitation is essentially prostitution.

1488
02:00:58,838 --> 02:00:59,038
Yep.

1489
02:00:59,758 --> 02:01:00,038
Yeah.

1490
02:01:00,538 --> 02:01:02,658
So, sorry, any solicitors that are listening,

1491
02:01:02,857 --> 02:01:05,178
but think about what you're doing.

1492
02:01:05,698 --> 02:01:08,038
Well, I used to say that attorneys and solicitors,

1493
02:01:08,038 --> 02:01:09,558
they're like lubricant,

1494
02:01:09,717 --> 02:01:12,038
because you're going to get fucked either way,

1495
02:01:12,118 --> 02:01:13,458
but they just make it a little bit easier.

1496
02:01:13,458 --> 02:01:24,598
so um that's the story of of my running with the court and so how do you have you figured out how

1497
02:01:24,598 --> 02:01:34,318
to hack it is this something i yeah if again you were ever to be picked up for whatever littering

1498
02:01:34,318 --> 02:01:41,138
loitering whatever charge they want to throw at somebody um yeah is that still happening in in

1499
02:01:41,138 --> 02:01:46,998
ireland is there still a lot of this kind of real low level grade nonsense people yeah i mean

1500
02:01:46,998 --> 02:01:56,378
it depends on like who you're talking about because i don't want to get into too much politics here

1501
02:01:56,378 --> 02:02:02,018
well just because like you know i'm sure you've seen what's going on in the uk at the moment

1502
02:02:02,018 --> 02:02:06,918
people i don't know whether it's actually happening or if it's you know social media

1503
02:02:06,918 --> 02:02:16,858
and mainstream media are used to amplify like the edge cases to make examples out of people.

1504
02:02:17,118 --> 02:02:23,798
Like there's this young lad called Montgomery Toms that was arrested recently for having a placard at a rally,

1505
02:02:24,338 --> 02:02:25,698
you know, freedom of speech laws.

1506
02:02:25,858 --> 02:02:30,438
But he was arrested because it could be construed as hateful speech or something.

1507
02:02:30,658 --> 02:02:31,138
Yeah.

1508
02:02:32,457 --> 02:02:34,078
It's a thought crime.

1509
02:02:34,078 --> 02:02:44,658
And it was a bit like the three pieces of legislation that were brought up against me that I was responding to using language that could occasion a breach of the peace.

1510
02:02:45,258 --> 02:02:47,798
But it didn't say you breached the peace.

1511
02:02:48,318 --> 02:02:50,838
It could be perceived that you would be.

1512
02:02:51,378 --> 02:02:53,378
It's minority reportship, right?

1513
02:02:53,538 --> 02:02:56,158
You know, trying to get ahead of the crime before it happens.

1514
02:02:56,158 --> 02:03:10,818
And in your case, it was, oh, he might say something that might disturb the peace and offend that lady 400 metres away with her child in the playground that possibly or might possibly not hear what he said, depending on the direction of the wind.

1515
02:03:10,918 --> 02:03:12,058
It's just complete nonsense.

1516
02:03:12,618 --> 02:03:12,778
Yeah.

1517
02:03:12,957 --> 02:03:25,258
But the thing is, this is what I said in my affidavit, that if any peace was disturbed, I was sitting in the park enjoying the sunshine with my friends when three big guys came over to me and said they threatened.

1518
02:03:25,258 --> 02:03:55,238
I felt I felt threatened by their presence and so they disturbed the peace if anything I'm the victim here you know so yeah what would I do now it depends on the circumstances I don't think I don't think I would ever get into trouble with this state ever again because I like to think I'm a bit more careful now and and I have a feeling that they have a couple of notes

1519
02:03:55,258 --> 02:03:57,178
on the system about me

1520
02:03:57,178 --> 02:04:02,098
I'd imagine so

1521
02:04:02,098 --> 02:04:04,398
yeah because I was picked up

1522
02:04:04,398 --> 02:04:06,078
in my friend's car

1523
02:04:06,078 --> 02:04:07,838
because she didn't have tax and insurance

1524
02:04:07,838 --> 02:04:09,258
a few months later

1525
02:04:09,258 --> 02:04:11,678
I don't know following October

1526
02:04:11,678 --> 02:04:12,598
or something like that

1527
02:04:12,598 --> 02:04:14,378
and

1528
02:04:14,378 --> 02:04:16,238
the

1529
02:04:16,238 --> 02:04:18,717
the detectives

1530
02:04:18,717 --> 02:04:21,618
were very interested in asking the girls

1531
02:04:21,618 --> 02:04:23,457
questions about me who am I

1532
02:04:23,457 --> 02:04:24,878
and

1533
02:04:24,878 --> 02:04:27,538
I was strip searched

1534
02:04:27,538 --> 02:04:29,538
and

1535
02:04:29,538 --> 02:04:31,418
I

1536
02:04:31,418 --> 02:04:34,918
think they did it just to kind of demoralise me

1537
02:04:34,918 --> 02:04:36,778
because they were putting on the gloves

1538
02:04:36,778 --> 02:04:38,438
and I don't know

1539
02:04:38,438 --> 02:04:40,838
I think one of the lads was enjoying it a little bit

1540
02:04:40,838 --> 02:04:42,838
too much because he had these big eyes

1541
02:04:42,838 --> 02:04:44,898
and I was like

1542
02:04:44,898 --> 02:04:46,518
don't shove your finger with me hole

1543
02:04:46,518 --> 02:04:50,698
but they didn't

1544
02:04:50,698 --> 02:04:51,477
they didn't do that

1545
02:04:51,477 --> 02:04:54,258
but I was just acting up a little bit

1546
02:04:54,258 --> 02:04:54,818
you know what I mean

1547
02:04:54,818 --> 02:04:57,838
they took my shoes off and I didn't have socks on

1548
02:04:57,838 --> 02:04:59,438
because I had been camping that weekend

1549
02:04:59,438 --> 02:05:00,658
and

1550
02:05:00,658 --> 02:05:03,878
they found 10 of seer cards in my

1551
02:05:03,878 --> 02:05:05,878
wallet and I said I don't

1552
02:05:05,878 --> 02:05:08,058
know anything about that somebody paid me to hand them out

1553
02:05:08,058 --> 02:05:11,838
but here's the thing when I was leaving

1554
02:05:11,838 --> 02:05:13,758
that state oh no the detective the

1555
02:05:13,758 --> 02:05:15,758
sergeant of the station opened

1556
02:05:15,758 --> 02:05:17,717
the door and goes you were in court

1557
02:05:17,717 --> 02:05:19,457
last September

1558
02:05:19,457 --> 02:05:21,358
and you failed to recognise the court

1559
02:05:21,358 --> 02:05:23,778
and I was like how does he know that

1560
02:05:23,778 --> 02:05:26,158
because I didn't give them anything at this stage.

1561
02:05:29,858 --> 02:05:31,398
Yeah, I don't know how we knew that,

1562
02:05:31,477 --> 02:05:33,838
but the detectives from Dalbrigan came down

1563
02:05:33,838 --> 02:05:35,977
and they opened the door and they looked at me

1564
02:05:35,977 --> 02:05:37,918
and they said, well, how come we don't know yet?

1565
02:05:37,977 --> 02:05:39,358
I said, because I don't get in trouble with the law.

1566
02:05:40,138 --> 02:05:44,138
You know, I don't typically get in trouble with the law.

1567
02:05:44,518 --> 02:05:45,358
So when I was leaving,

1568
02:05:45,697 --> 02:05:48,138
I also had these old pound banknotes,

1569
02:05:48,217 --> 02:05:49,058
which were leaflets,

1570
02:05:49,558 --> 02:05:52,438
and all the information on the back about,

1571
02:05:52,438 --> 02:05:53,058
I don't know

1572
02:05:53,058 --> 02:05:54,278
New World Order

1573
02:05:54,278 --> 02:05:55,138
and that sort of thing

1574
02:05:55,138 --> 02:05:56,678
but the banking system

1575
02:05:56,678 --> 02:05:57,798
is fraudulent

1576
02:05:57,798 --> 02:05:59,238
so I was

1577
02:05:59,238 --> 02:06:00,798
putting my stuff on

1578
02:06:00,798 --> 02:06:01,938
they were letting me go

1579
02:06:01,938 --> 02:06:03,078
and I was putting my stuff on

1580
02:06:03,078 --> 02:06:03,438
and

1581
02:06:03,438 --> 02:06:05,538
I was telling them

1582
02:06:05,538 --> 02:06:06,738
this was years ago

1583
02:06:06,738 --> 02:06:07,578
but I was saying to them

1584
02:06:07,578 --> 02:06:08,258
like you know

1585
02:06:08,258 --> 02:06:10,418
there's going to come a time

1586
02:06:10,418 --> 02:06:11,278
where you people

1587
02:06:11,278 --> 02:06:12,118
are going to have to make

1588
02:06:12,118 --> 02:06:12,578
a decision

1589
02:06:12,578 --> 02:06:13,738
which side you stand on

1590
02:06:13,738 --> 02:06:15,498
and

1591
02:06:15,498 --> 02:06:16,878
you can stand with the people

1592
02:06:16,878 --> 02:06:18,138
or you can stand with the government

1593
02:06:18,138 --> 02:06:20,018
who really don't care about you

1594
02:06:20,018 --> 02:06:21,457
I said

1595
02:06:21,457 --> 02:06:22,378
they're not even letting you go

1596
02:06:22,378 --> 02:06:26,418
on strike because there was a bit of a thing at the time the guards wanted to go on strike

1597
02:06:26,418 --> 02:06:33,678
and i said uh the guy one of the cops says there's three of them standing there and they're all like

1598
02:06:33,678 --> 02:06:40,358
they're all very interested in what i had to say um one cop said actually we're still having

1599
02:06:40,358 --> 02:06:47,078
gotten over the last revolution and i said exactly so you have to like think about that and then

1600
02:06:47,078 --> 02:06:51,638
i told him that he could hang on to the pound now

1601
02:06:51,638 --> 02:06:57,338
you can have all you can hang on to that i have plenty of them and then when when i was leaving

1602
02:06:57,338 --> 02:07:01,538
they were saying i will never forget you now we'll never forget you and i said no you're gonna

1603
02:07:01,538 --> 02:07:08,457
forget me you're gonna forget me and i'm walking you're gonna forget me um so i i think that they

1604
02:07:08,457 --> 02:07:15,318
definitely know who i am um now i haven't been in ireland for nine years nine out of the last 10

1605
02:07:15,318 --> 02:07:23,658
years um but i'm back now and uh there was another time when i was coming back from a rave in the

1606
02:07:23,658 --> 02:07:29,178
woods which i don't go to often but my mate is involved in that scene and he's also doing stuff

1607
02:07:29,178 --> 02:07:37,638
like this so he has he has previous as well um and so we were followed by a squad car because

1608
02:07:37,638 --> 02:07:41,738
the guards came in the next day the police came in the next day and shut down the party

1609
02:07:41,738 --> 02:07:43,818
and then everybody left

1610
02:07:43,818 --> 02:07:45,518
and as we were leaving

1611
02:07:45,518 --> 02:07:46,618
we may have said

1612
02:07:46,618 --> 02:07:47,477
oh there's a squad car

1613
02:07:47,477 --> 02:07:48,058
following us

1614
02:07:48,058 --> 02:07:48,898
and we were pulled over

1615
02:07:48,898 --> 02:07:49,918
now

1616
02:07:49,918 --> 02:07:51,158
I had a little

1617
02:07:51,158 --> 02:07:52,238
nod of hash

1618
02:07:52,238 --> 02:07:53,338
in my pocket

1619
02:07:53,338 --> 02:07:54,678
in a little lighter pocket

1620
02:07:54,678 --> 02:07:55,697
there in my jeans

1621
02:07:55,697 --> 02:07:58,058
squeegee hash

1622
02:07:58,058 --> 02:07:59,477
and

1623
02:07:59,477 --> 02:08:03,178
the band guard

1624
02:08:03,178 --> 02:08:04,298
there was a female guard

1625
02:08:04,298 --> 02:08:04,678
got out

1626
02:08:04,678 --> 02:08:06,138
and she wouldn't search us

1627
02:08:06,138 --> 02:08:07,078
probably because

1628
02:08:07,078 --> 02:08:07,758
we were two lads

1629
02:08:07,758 --> 02:08:08,658
but she called

1630
02:08:08,658 --> 02:08:09,738
the drug squad

1631
02:08:09,738 --> 02:08:11,618
down to search us

1632
02:08:11,618 --> 02:08:19,397
and this man searched me and he took out the piece of hash from my pocket and he looked at it

1633
02:08:19,397 --> 02:08:24,217
and goes what's that bit of chewing gum and he handed it back to me he handed it back to me

1634
02:08:24,217 --> 02:08:29,457
and then as we were as we were driving off as they were letting us go they were like so you're

1635
02:08:29,457 --> 02:08:34,318
happy enough lads with everything we've done like no you're no complaints and they were checking

1636
02:08:34,318 --> 02:08:40,397
with us where we where we satisfied with how they treated us which is very odd i find but i can only

1637
02:08:40,397 --> 02:08:45,278
imagine what it must have been like for them for the guards to to put both of our names into the

1638
02:08:45,278 --> 02:09:01,016
system and see the two of us who we probably don we probably wouldn have had much reason to be together we wouldn have been caught together in the past and they like oh gosh just these two lads and it probably no like don don don deal with these or deal

1639
02:09:01,016 --> 02:09:10,196
with them respectfully you know because because they probably know who we are yeah um so how would

1640
02:09:10,196 --> 02:09:15,156
I deal with it today I deal with it as a lawyer would and I tell I've often told people like you

1641
02:09:15,156 --> 02:09:19,636
have to pick your battles just pay the fine you know don't try and don't try and challenge the fine

1642
02:09:19,636 --> 02:09:25,136
and if you're asking me how to do it then you're not ready you should know in yourself

1643
02:09:25,136 --> 02:09:31,616
that you're sovereign and how would you handle yourself as a sovereign and now if it's really

1644
02:09:31,616 --> 02:09:37,516
serious like um like a high court case or something like that i might give them a little bit of advice

1645
02:09:37,516 --> 02:09:41,996
but I think for the most part

1646
02:09:41,996 --> 02:09:44,956
I would just, I deal with it as a lawyer would

1647
02:09:44,956 --> 02:09:48,656
which means I would try to find technicalities

1648
02:09:48,656 --> 02:09:50,516
on the law, the legislation

1649
02:09:50,516 --> 02:09:54,236
and counter legislation and so on

1650
02:09:54,236 --> 02:09:55,136
things like that

1651
02:09:55,136 --> 02:09:59,236
but thankfully I haven't had a lot of

1652
02:09:59,236 --> 02:10:02,236
run-ins with the cops lately

1653
02:10:02,236 --> 02:10:04,776
Yeah, well good mate

1654
02:10:04,776 --> 02:10:06,976
and I'm sure most people listening

1655
02:10:06,976 --> 02:10:12,636
wouldn't have it's just these weird edge cases that that might show up every now and then and

1656
02:10:12,636 --> 02:10:18,476
the big thing that is picking up steam in the uk at the moment um is like the council tax even

1657
02:10:18,476 --> 02:10:26,196
normies are picking up on because because i just see it going up and up and up and up and services

1658
02:10:26,196 --> 02:10:31,456
going down and down and down and the quality of the infrastructure going and so they're just like

1659
02:10:31,456 --> 02:10:37,776
wait a minute what am i paying for and i don't actually realize like you know the the depths of

1660
02:10:37,776 --> 02:10:47,316
the deception um so things are coming to a head uh i don't know where that ends and if we can start

1661
02:10:47,316 --> 02:10:54,336
you know abolishing these these overreaches um but certainly conversations like this podcasts

1662
02:10:54,336 --> 02:11:00,316
interviews what you do um on your your own channel do you want to tell people where they can

1663
02:11:00,316 --> 02:11:08,756
can find your channel and uh you know get more information yes um so the the channel that i'm

1664
02:11:08,756 --> 02:11:16,476
about to uh mention i don't talk about any of this stuff on that channel um i talk about breton law

1665
02:11:16,476 --> 02:11:20,756
which we didn't actually get into but that's okay maybe i'll come back another time and we can

1666
02:11:20,756 --> 02:11:27,436
explore the breton law yeah and so breton academy is my youtube channel my facebook page my x account

1667
02:11:27,436 --> 02:11:32,116
my instagram if you type breton academy into a search engine you're bound to find me that way

1668
02:11:32,116 --> 02:11:37,156
i guess if you want to go and look at my older videos you can go to tir nasir on youtube that's

1669
02:11:37,156 --> 02:11:44,376
t-i-r-n-a-s-a-o-r and there's a couple of good videos up there i would recommend if people want

1670
02:11:44,376 --> 02:11:49,496
to hear more about this magic and the law i would recommend looking for the video called

1671
02:11:49,496 --> 02:11:52,536
magic spells the state and you

1672
02:11:52,536 --> 02:11:58,616
yes because that's in two parts and it kind of

1673
02:11:58,616 --> 02:12:04,096
it's it's been there since about 11 years and the comments on it are amazing

1674
02:12:04,096 --> 02:12:11,816
um like the comments are very like my mind is blown i'll never look at this this system in the

1675
02:12:11,816 --> 02:12:19,476
same way again right it's that it's that level of a profound change i i would say um and that's

1676
02:12:19,476 --> 02:12:26,416
probably the video that i'm most proud of actually even though it was 11 years ago um where else can

1677
02:12:26,416 --> 02:12:32,016
you oh you can email me if you want that kev at breton academy.org visit my website breton academy.org

1678
02:12:32,016 --> 02:12:37,876
and i think that's it yeah so we just just to leave the listeners on a on a practice you know

1679
02:12:37,876 --> 02:12:45,496
with some practical notes um should they consider uh writing that that let those letters you know

1680
02:12:45,496 --> 02:12:50,116
the claim of facts of dominion whatever it's called i don't i'm not in a position to give

1681
02:12:50,116 --> 02:12:58,216
legal advice yeah no absolutely not uh just do your own research right that that's all it comes

1682
02:12:58,216 --> 02:13:06,376
down to because like um dipping in and out of this sovereign project kind of truther movement

1683
02:13:06,376 --> 02:13:13,196
uh for want of a better word i've met a lot of people over the last uh two weeks not a lot a

1684
02:13:13,196 --> 02:13:22,556
handful of people um quick plug there's there's a place just outside of uh swindon um a dairy

1685
02:13:22,556 --> 02:13:28,776
called dora's dairy anyone can go and look that up and you can order raw milk and grass-fed beef

1686
02:13:28,776 --> 02:13:36,176
from him and pay in bitcoin uh now he's not a bitcoiner per se but he's got bitcoiner customers

1687
02:13:36,176 --> 02:13:38,816
who have managed to convince him,

1688
02:13:39,156 --> 02:13:43,836
I just want to pay you in Bitcoin for my milk

1689
02:13:43,836 --> 02:13:45,996
and for my dairy products and for my beef

1690
02:13:45,996 --> 02:13:48,776
and for my raw honey and all this kind of stuff.

1691
02:13:49,016 --> 02:13:53,056
So we were staying there on holiday just close by

1692
02:13:53,056 --> 02:13:55,556
and we would go and stack it up with some supplies.

1693
02:13:56,036 --> 02:13:59,316
Great burgers, great milk, beautiful honey,

1694
02:14:00,516 --> 02:14:02,356
raw milk ice cream, all this kind of good stuff.

1695
02:14:02,536 --> 02:14:05,116
And I'd always get chatting to whoever was in the shed.

1696
02:14:06,176 --> 02:14:07,416
What brings you here?

1697
02:14:07,516 --> 02:14:08,216
Oh, the raw milk.

1698
02:14:08,336 --> 02:14:09,876
Oh, what do you need raw milk for?

1699
02:14:09,936 --> 02:14:13,156
I've got this health issue and I believe this and blah, blah, blah.

1700
02:14:13,276 --> 02:14:16,216
And you get a whole cast of different people.

1701
02:14:16,816 --> 02:14:16,956
Yeah.

1702
02:14:16,956 --> 02:14:26,956
And you get into the geoengineering and the chemtrails and, you know, the pasteurization of milk and all of it.

1703
02:14:27,076 --> 02:14:29,096
The Federal Reserve, the money.

1704
02:14:29,716 --> 02:14:32,316
And they would always stumble at Bitcoin.

1705
02:14:32,876 --> 02:14:33,736
Why are you here?

1706
02:14:33,796 --> 02:14:35,036
I'm like that sticker in the shed.

1707
02:14:35,036 --> 02:14:42,196
what bitcoin i'm like yeah i've come here to spend bitcoin to to show true value uh to express true

1708
02:14:42,196 --> 02:14:48,296
value to to john and his products i'm not going to use uh uh a debt instrument

1709
02:14:48,296 --> 02:14:56,956
that i i find that almost repulsive to be honest like you know to he he has raised these cows and

1710
02:14:56,956 --> 02:15:02,136
i'm going to come and give him a debt instrument to to express the value that no i'm going to give

1711
02:15:02,136 --> 02:15:08,556
him the hardest sound is money that's ever been discovered by man and how does that work so you'd

1712
02:15:08,556 --> 02:15:18,056
get into these conversations but i do find that um they people when they come when they bump up

1713
02:15:18,056 --> 02:15:21,676
against this and i'm probably guilty of it as well it's like just give me the template just give me

1714
02:15:21,676 --> 02:15:26,976
the template and i'll follow the template and then i will be you know i'll be able to do because we

1715
02:15:26,976 --> 02:15:33,076
are taught this way we're taught things are systematic that's the education system that's

1716
02:15:33,076 --> 02:15:38,956
what it does to you uh whereas it isn't and no case is ever going to be the same we've got people

1717
02:15:38,956 --> 02:15:43,856
listening to this conversation from all around the world from completely different ages uh with

1718
02:15:43,856 --> 02:15:48,216
completely different backgrounds and completely different futures ahead of them there is no

1719
02:15:48,216 --> 02:15:55,936
template for this stuff it's a hell of a lot of introspection deep research trying to get to the

1720
02:15:55,936 --> 02:16:00,616
bottom of it going uh you know there there are courses that there are youtube channels that

1721
02:16:00,616 --> 02:16:05,016
people can dig into but there are charlatans out there as well that are going to sell you a template

1722
02:16:05,016 --> 02:16:12,676
yeah and that's why i'm a bit reluctant to tell people like give people legal advice because i

1723
02:16:12,676 --> 02:16:19,096
don't think this this is something that um that you need to discover and understand on yourself

1724
02:16:19,096 --> 02:16:24,456
and you'll find your own way to do and that's the essence of sovereignty the essence of sovereignty

1725
02:16:24,456 --> 02:16:30,796
is not following in another man's footsteps but by carving your own path by walking your own by

1726
02:16:30,796 --> 02:16:39,416
making your own you're we're shit shoulders right yeah we're shoveling the shit um and and i i believe

1727
02:16:39,416 --> 02:16:49,336
that every man needs to find his own path through the shit yes uh kevin we will come back and do

1728
02:16:49,336 --> 02:16:52,576
do more conversations here because there is so much to talk about.

1729
02:16:52,756 --> 02:16:57,036
I mean, we, we didn't go down the deepest of rabbit holes of, you know,

1730
02:16:57,116 --> 02:17:03,196
fiat currency. We didn't even really touch on Rome.

1731
02:17:03,556 --> 02:17:08,476
And we didn't touch on London, DC, Vatican.

1732
02:17:08,996 --> 02:17:13,096
There's so much to be, you know, the great fire of 1666 and then

1733
02:17:13,096 --> 02:17:15,596
Sanctum and all of this kind of stuff.

1734
02:17:15,596 --> 02:17:23,536
yeah well i'll be happy to come back on anytime right love it and yeah we've smashed through a

1735
02:17:23,536 --> 02:17:28,176
two-hour mark so it's good good place to leave it i look forward to uh to chatting more on this

1736
02:17:28,176 --> 02:17:33,136
mate and uh yeah thanks for your time thanks for your work and uh yeah let's stay in touch and get

1737
02:17:33,136 --> 02:17:38,576
another day in the diary yeah thanks for having me on and i really enjoyed this conversation so

1738
02:17:38,576 --> 02:17:39,136
Thank you.

1739
02:17:39,716 --> 02:17:40,356
Cheers, mate.

1740
02:17:40,516 --> 02:17:40,856
Take care.

1741
02:17:43,176 --> 02:17:44,736
Well, there you go, guys.

1742
02:17:45,156 --> 02:17:46,756
Thank you, Kevin, for coming on.

1743
02:17:48,536 --> 02:17:52,396
Yeah, it's so deep, all this stuff.

1744
02:17:53,016 --> 02:17:55,876
When we say in the Bitcoin space, everything is a lie,

1745
02:17:57,416 --> 02:18:00,056
we're not far off.

1746
02:18:00,796 --> 02:18:04,496
Because if you've built this whole legal system,

1747
02:18:04,656 --> 02:18:06,516
and Runa Ostgaard talks about this as well.

1748
02:18:06,516 --> 02:18:08,656
he wrote the book Fraud Coin

1749
02:18:08,656 --> 02:18:10,776
if you've not read that you certainly should

1750
02:18:10,776 --> 02:18:13,436
a thousand years of inflation as a policy

1751
02:18:13,436 --> 02:18:15,656
when you've

1752
02:18:15,656 --> 02:18:16,556
if that

1753
02:18:16,556 --> 02:18:18,936
a medium of exchange

1754
02:18:18,936 --> 02:18:21,076
is the base layer

1755
02:18:21,076 --> 02:18:23,936
of human existence

1756
02:18:23,936 --> 02:18:27,016
of us

1757
02:18:27,016 --> 02:18:29,016
being able to

1758
02:18:29,016 --> 02:18:32,216
communicate value to each other

1759
02:18:32,216 --> 02:18:34,276
across space and time

1760
02:18:34,276 --> 02:18:36,496
and without that

1761
02:18:36,496 --> 02:18:39,056
we have nothing.

1762
02:18:39,136 --> 02:18:40,616
We have no guiding star.

1763
02:18:40,716 --> 02:18:41,556
We have no north star.

1764
02:18:41,676 --> 02:18:43,376
We are completely lost.

1765
02:18:43,496 --> 02:18:44,596
We think we're in control,

1766
02:18:45,076 --> 02:18:46,336
but we are not.

1767
02:18:46,516 --> 02:18:48,236
Everything is completely and utterly,

1768
02:18:48,436 --> 02:18:50,056
totally spinning out of control

1769
02:18:50,056 --> 02:18:52,876
every single second of every single day

1770
02:18:52,876 --> 02:18:56,496
because the money is...

1771
02:18:58,316 --> 02:19:00,796
It's not even broken, guys.

1772
02:19:00,876 --> 02:19:01,556
This is the thing.

1773
02:19:01,816 --> 02:19:02,556
It's not broken.

1774
02:19:03,136 --> 02:19:04,536
It's working as designed.

1775
02:19:04,536 --> 02:19:07,976
is working perfectly as they designed it to work.

1776
02:19:08,476 --> 02:19:15,096
And that is in order to extract as much energy from you as possible.

1777
02:19:16,596 --> 02:19:19,536
And that's the base layer.

1778
02:19:20,256 --> 02:19:25,396
Layer two, arguably, is all of the legal fiction stuff

1779
02:19:25,396 --> 02:19:26,816
that they've built on top of it

1780
02:19:26,816 --> 02:19:33,816
to make us believe that we're doing illegal things,

1781
02:19:34,816 --> 02:19:35,816
like sitting in a park.

1782
02:19:35,816 --> 02:19:39,816
Like Kevin's story, sat in a park and then he ends up in this

1783
02:19:39,816 --> 02:19:45,816
however many years long fight for freedom in a courtroom.

1784
02:19:47,816 --> 02:19:49,816
It's pure insanity.

1785
02:19:49,816 --> 02:19:53,816
So we all need our night of a thousand epiphanies, by the sound of it.

1786
02:19:53,816 --> 02:20:03,636
it. I think many of us listening to this have had that with fiat currency and realize why we need

1787
02:20:03,636 --> 02:20:09,096
Bitcoin and what Bitcoin is. And that's our own night of a thousand epiphanies, coming to that

1788
02:20:09,096 --> 02:20:14,796
realization, stacking and taking self-custody, using your bitbox, getting that set up, making

1789
02:20:14,796 --> 02:20:23,316
sure you are in complete and utter, total sovereign control. You have a loyal title over that Bitcoin

1790
02:20:23,316 --> 02:20:26,076
if you have the keys.

1791
02:20:27,256 --> 02:20:28,476
I think Kevin might agree with me

1792
02:20:28,476 --> 02:20:32,456
that it's possibly the only thing

1793
02:20:32,456 --> 02:20:36,116
that you could truly own, right now.

1794
02:20:36,116 --> 02:20:37,356
People think they own their cars,

1795
02:20:37,394 --> 02:20:39,394
You register your car with your...

1796
02:20:39,394 --> 02:20:46,394
Well, in the UK it'd be the DVLA, in France it's ANTS, in the US it's...

1797
02:20:46,394 --> 02:20:49,394
Who do you have like that...

1798
02:20:49,394 --> 02:20:51,394
Everybody complains about it all the time.

1799
02:20:51,394 --> 02:20:55,394
The driving agency, can't remember what it's called, but whatever.

1800
02:20:55,394 --> 02:20:57,394
You buy a car, you register it.

1801
02:20:57,394 --> 02:21:00,394
You buy a house, you register it with the land authority.

1802
02:21:00,394 --> 02:21:02,394
And then you end up paying taxes.

1803
02:21:02,394 --> 02:21:05,394
And it's just an absolute nightmare.

1804
02:21:05,394 --> 02:21:11,314
You literally don't own a thing unless you've got Bitcoin in cold storage.

1805
02:21:12,294 --> 02:21:14,954
And this is the new money.

1806
02:21:15,594 --> 02:21:17,454
This is how important Bitcoin is.

1807
02:21:17,914 --> 02:21:21,194
So if you've not had the thousand epiphanies, I hope that's at least one of them.

1808
02:21:22,054 --> 02:21:24,554
And yeah, thanks again, Kevin, for coming on the show.

1809
02:21:24,554 --> 02:21:30,214
Please, like I mentioned at the beginning of the show here, there's some show sponsors that make the show possible.

1810
02:21:30,454 --> 02:21:32,694
Been with the show for many years.

1811
02:21:32,694 --> 02:21:37,694
in some cases, in the cases of Relay, Swan, Bitbox,

1812
02:21:37,694 --> 02:21:40,694
thank you guys for being around for so long.

1813
02:21:40,694 --> 02:21:53,646
PayWithFlash good friend Pierre doing great work over there They a new one and they are offering you a new service plebeian chief monkey doing great work building out a marketplace for bitcoiners to

1814
02:21:53,646 --> 02:22:01,946
interact with bitcoiners and and spend sats uh fountain get oh if you've not listened to this

1815
02:22:01,946 --> 02:22:06,486
episode on fountain please switch your listening habits download the fountain app support the guys

1816
02:22:06,486 --> 02:22:11,326
over there nick is going to be talking about fountain at the beryl st edmunds conference so

1817
02:22:11,326 --> 02:22:17,686
get along if you can come and support and then bubble fm bubbl.fm is a place for you to go to

1818
02:22:17,686 --> 02:22:24,526
start going and curating your podcasts getting the most out of your 40 hours per week orange pill app

1819
02:22:24,526 --> 02:22:30,066
is the last shill uh if you're not on there come join us the 17 000 bitcoiners all around the world

1820
02:22:30,066 --> 02:22:36,826
waiting to connect and build out this parallel economy and this new way of living and taking

1821
02:22:36,826 --> 02:22:44,546
control and I hope this episode has brought you you know closer to thinking more about how you know

1822
02:22:44,546 --> 02:22:48,526
if we've got sovereign money but we need the sovereign mindset I think I'll leave it there

1823
02:22:48,526 --> 02:22:53,666
Kevin loved having you on thanks for staying in touch we will do a part two

1824
02:22:53,666 --> 02:22:56,026
and I'll catch all you guys on the next show