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Hello, everybody. My name is Daniel Prince, and I'm the host of the Once Bitten podcast.

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This is a podcast focused on Bitcoin. It's my mission to interview as many people as I can

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around the different aspects of Bitcoin and help people understand exactly what Bitcoin could mean

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for them and for their families and for their future. I hope you enjoy the show. Thank you so

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much for listening. Hello everybody and welcome to this edition of the Once Bitten podcast.

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Joining me on this episode is Asa Noha, who is one of the co-founders, collaborators,

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editors-in-chief of the latest Bitcoin magazine. It is Bitcoin Art Magazine. And to quote one of

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his more recent tweets, physical fucking art. I think that was the words. And I'm here for it.

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It's incredible to see the amount of wonderful Bitcoin art and creativity that has crept into this space over the last decade or so.

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But now we're at this point where many of the artists that have been around are just getting more and more honed and attuned to their work and getting their message across.

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and we were in Manchester just recently at the Bitfest and there were a bunch of artists there.

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I bumped into Rebel Money. I'm a long fan of Rebel Money and his artwork and just him,

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a genuine person that he is. He's created this little figure, statue, if you like,

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which is absolutely cool and he's got this dream of it becoming like an 8 to 10 foot sculpture

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and full brass you know in in who knows where so he's looking for investors uh i've got the um

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the guys over at uh history of bitcoin.io are at the moment as we speak in dubai for the mina

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conference and they're showcasing the smash toshi book the history of bitcoin where they commissioned

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128 artists from all around the world to put into art specific 128 different touch points of bitcoin

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history it's an incredible book i was in new york at pub key and helping them launch that that was

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the first day of the auction that's being auctioned on scarce.city so you can get over to scarce.city

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and just look out for that particular project smash toshi and now you have the magazine which

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these guys have put together and like this this first edition is going to be a collector's edition

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if nothing else so get over to bitcoinartmagazine.com and get over to the shop and order something up

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because you can pre-order now this is going to be the genesis edition you've got a picture on the

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front there of a piece of work from fractal in crypt it looks absolutely beautiful uh it features

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There's artists such as Adam Kadmon, Alex Schaefer, Breckyvon Bitcoin, Chief Monkey, Marcus

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Connor, Maxey's Club.

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I'm just reading some out.

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So sorry to everybody else.

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Cipher's in there.

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He runs Ciphermonk House out of London in Bloomsbury.

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It's so cool.

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Please go and check it out.

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We've got to start supporting the artists.

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I know Roger 9000 recently has written a manifesto and his art obviously is music.

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You have the new music nudge group or the new music economy.

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We have Dion Wilson now just in New York at PubKey.

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He announced he's starting Bitcoin for the arts.

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So he's looking for donations, help.

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He's looking to put a board of advisors together to help collect those funds and allocate those funds to Bitcoin art,

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Bitcoin culture and this is really really great to see and we have more Bitcoin fiction books

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coming through as well. Avi Burra has released his next in line of his series it's called July 18.

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I'm a quarter of the way through it I'm loving it thoroughly loving it so this is this is happening

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guys. I was really really surprised by all of the artwork and yeah inspiring very very inspiring.

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Before we get into this one with Asanoja, please make sure you're stacking your Bitcoin.

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That will save you on commissions.

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Please take self-custody of your Bitcoin.

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Take that very, very seriously.

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Get a Bitbox.

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You can get to bitbox.swiss forward slash Bitten and you'll get 5% discount.

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But you will get the peace of mind that you own your Bitcoin.

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forward slash bitten if you want to start accepting bitcoin for your goods and services paywithflash.com

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Find your local Bitcoiners, start an event,

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start a meetup, get to an event, get to a conference.

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I just had a chat recently with Matteo Pellegrini.

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He's the founder of Club Orange,

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which used to be Orange Pill Up.

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I'll be releasing that episode in a few weeks.

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Lots of cool new features,

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but the main feature is 19,000 Bitcoiners

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around the world ready to connect with you.

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Thanks always for listening, guys.

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here is asanoa all right asanoa we are recording and i'm sure i've already mispronounced that name

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asanoa what did you say it was uh asanoa asanoa asanoa because it's japanese it from like it's

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a traditional japanese word you're explaining just then yeah it means hemp leaf in japanese

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and it's a very common pattern it's actually that pattern on the wall right there that is a hybrid

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my own hybrid variation of it but it's a it's a triangular tessellation and it's a very common

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pattern in japan found on kimonos or items of all kinds and it's been painted around statues

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of the buddha for over a thousand years okay so just a deep love of all things japan or all things

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hemp like what was the both um strangely enough i've never been to japan but when i was 16 years

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old i learned to roll sushi in a sushi bar in hawaii and i um i also grew a cannabis in the

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Pacific Northwest of the United States. And so I think it was a combination of both of those things.

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Strangely enough, I haven't smoked cannabis since I was 18 years old.

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Wow. Don't get high off your own supplies, they say. I am no longer in the cannabis or hemp

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industry, but I did spend a good enough amount of time in it and a good enough amount of time

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behind a sushi bar and I have a fascination with sacred geometry and geometric artwork and that was

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a big initial inspiration for me to start making artwork and I love the Asanoa pattern

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so it just kind of fit. All right yeah as I was explaining just before we hit record Lauren

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is not here unfortunately to ask me the first question but when she does come up against

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artists she always likes to to ask the question uh what what does art mean to you

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authenticity and

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creativity in your own unique way um it also means doing something

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purely for the sake of doing it and not necessarily to achieve some sort of

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end goal or reward at the end but just doing something because it feels good and because

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it you like it and you you like the way it looks and and and that I think um I became an artist

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later in in life I would say uh I've been making art for about six years intentionally but I think

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that I always was an artist or a creative and I'm a life uh lifelong I've been surfing since I was

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very young i've been surfing for most of my life and surfing is an art form to me and so it's been

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interesting in the last years creating art physical art professionally and kind of reflecting

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in and we made it about five minutes um but reflecting on what is art uh with with this

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magazine that i'm working on and have been putting together bitcoin art magazine and the question what

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his art has come up so uh i i don't know i don't know what art is to me yeah well so i'm trying to

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i'm trying to figure it out we are going to talk about the magazine because it's an awesome project

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that you guys have put together and uh it come out of left field for it come out of nowhere well

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you you showed up in my dms and asked me if i'd be uh willing to write a short article for the

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magazine, which was both humbling and frightening at the same time, because I couldn't figure out

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what would I have to offer like an art magazine just a 50 year old dude with a podcast that talks to plebs around the world No one would ever have like attached my name or podcast with Bitcoin art

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I feel a shared alignment in values and life perspective with you.

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and I also thought it would be nice to have I the the magazine has and the book has a I guess what

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you wrote is a forward of sorts um I also had Knut Svanholm write something or asked him to

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write something so I asked I asked a couple of different people that I felt uh held shared

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values and and um you were willing so you you're you're you're uh you and knut are the the openers

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of the genesis edition of bitcoin art magazine love it well and again actually i'm gonna i'm

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gonna drop it madex the madex manifesto is the first page of the magazine of course and then it's

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and then i believe it's knut and then you are the the two preceding the two following and then i

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think thereafter it's tomer stro lights uh it's i believe part five of the legendary treasure of

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satoshi nakamoto so it's it's a real strong opening and um yeah you're you're you're one

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of two forwards for the magazine yeah and i yeah very humbling and again you know canute wouldn't

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be particularly attached with the art world either i mean it's it's great to see that you

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Obviously, we're friends with a bunch of you guys.

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And Canute and Fractal have been friends for a long time because Fractal did the cover for Sovereignty,

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the original Sovereignty, which was one of his early books.

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So that's awesome.

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Toma, much more of a creative.

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In fact, we sat down last night as a family and re-watched Bitcoin as Generational Wealth.

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so that was a that was a four-year revisit with the family and it's just great to see the kids like

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huh you know they're four years older now and so many different sats are dropping in their minds

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and um yeah very very cool well let's let's talk about how we met because that was a fun little

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anecdotal story back in uh miami 2022 when uh i was walking around with with john vallas come back

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to us, John, we need your podcast back again. Come on. I know, I know he's busy writing a book,

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but I just miss tuning into John each week. Is that what he's working on right now? Yeah.

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Okay. I'm excited to see what he writes. I, you know, and maybe it, maybe it was,

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maybe it was that, that it's funny because I did not, I didn't think of it at the time,

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But when I asked you to write a piece for the magazine, maybe there was something subconsciously that remembered that meeting in Miami back in 22.

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So, yeah, that's kind of cool.

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I'm really happy that you reminded me of that just now.

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Yeah, it was definitely a surreal moment because there we were walking around.

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We were hanging together and he's like, I've got to go and buy a gift.

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I want a piece of artwork.

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and uh so we we headed off around the stalls and um approached you guys

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yeah i was that was my my uh debut into the bitcoin art world and and so i had a booth in

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the bazaar in the back of miami i had a couple paintings in the gallery uh dennis was and

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scare city guys they were dennis was kind enough to let me let me enter some art into the gallery

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and I got a booth in the back of the bazaar and set it all up.

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And I actually sold a bunch of art, which was really exciting,

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to a bunch of people that were new that I had never met

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in a field that I was still learning about fully.

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So you'd not fully grokked Bitcoin at that stage?

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I had at that stage.

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I had, yeah, I found out about Bitcoin in 2017.

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I was paid for some work I did on a hemp farm in Bitcoin.

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And I actually, you know, looking back, of course, I should not have sold it or spent it.

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But I think it's kind of based, I actually was like, oh, this is digital money.

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Okay, cool.

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Yeah, I'll take it as payment.

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And then I spent it like it was money.

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So I'm medium of exchange since day one. Like all of us, I should not have sold it.

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And then I was kind of in and out of Bitcoin. I didn't have the aha moment. I didn't grok it fully for three or four years until 2020, 2021.

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and um and then a friend of mine was like you should make some bitcoin art and you should also

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like learn a little bit more about bitcoin and i uh it was kind of making they told me hey look

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some like check out i think it was a sculpture by brecky actually like check it out this sculpture

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just sold for like fifteen thousand dollars like there's like this bitcoin art scene you should try

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and make some Bitcoin art. It was Kisa actually, who has been helping me edit the simplest Bitcoin

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book. She's the senior editor for, she wrote the simplest Bitcoin book and she's the senior editor

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for Bitcoin art magazine. And she's an old friend of mine. And she was the one who was, I kind of,

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back in 2017, her and I had kind of talked a bit about Bitcoin. And she was like, hey,

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you should check this out basically. And so I, I, I kind of got back on Twitter,

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got on Twitter more in depth and was like, Oh wow, this is really cool.

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Uh, and I, I don't know. I just suddenly had an aha.

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I just suddenly had the aha moment. Maybe it was, it was probably COVID,

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you know, going through that. I think a lot of people,

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it like really shook, shook things up and you realize, you know,

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I always knew things were not as they seem, but I realized, you know, it was,

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I felt force, in a sense, at my doorstep.

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I think a lot of people did.

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They felt there was the brunt of the establishment and the state coercing entire nations into terrible things, in my opinion.

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And that was a big wake-up call.

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So that probably played a big part in it.

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And I just dove headfirst back down into the rabbit hole and had that grokking moment, that aha moment, and started making Bitcoin art that year.

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And then I was at Miami 2022.

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So I went from not engaging with Bitcoin on a daily basis to engaging with Bitcoin and the Bitcoin space every single day.

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And I've done so ever since.

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So Valis and I rock up to the stand.

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What happens next?

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He, he, he, I think he asked me, I had some framed prints hanging on the wall behind me.

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And I believe he asked me, Hey, how much for that one? And I, I told him the price for the print

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was like a hundred bucks or something, $120. And, and I, and he said, okay, cool, I'll take it.

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And, and then I, so I went to, I think I went to roll up a print for him or to, or to sleeve up a

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print. And he's like, no, no, I want the one with the frame. And I was like, oh, it's just,

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that's my display frame and he was like well how much for the one with the i was like i was like i

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don't i don't want to sell it and he's like well how much do you want for it and i was like well i

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guess like you know like 100 bucks you know 150 bucks for with the frame like you know it's like

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250 bucks 300 bucks and he was like okay i'll take it and i was like i think i was like can you

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come and pick it up later because i don't want to i want to keep it as my display and i don't

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remember if i ended up giving it to him then or if he did come back for it later but uh the whole

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time you were nudging him and you were like you were like hey you got to tell him tell him what

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this is for and and i and i and i i like didn't catch it at first and then you were like hey come

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on you gotta you gotta tell him man and i was like what i was like what you gotta tell me what

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i was like who's this for i was like now you have to tell me i'm intrigued and so are you allowed to

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say who it was for yeah cool so you you uh i don't remember if it was you or if it was him that told

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me but but i think it might have been him he said that the art was going to the sailor compound

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yeah and uh so i was like that that was that was pretty pretty epic um that was a pretty epic

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moment right there and and definitely a big as an aspiring bitcoin artist a big win right there

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and then at my my first ever bitcoin conference and my first time selling my bitcoin artwork

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yeah it was a personal gift from john to michael because michael had extended the invitation for him

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to stay at his house.

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It's not a house.

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It's a great villa with many rooms.

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And him and his father were staying there

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at the invitation of Michael.

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So John was looking for something to express his gratitude

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for the hospitality.

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And I just, for me, it was like, man,

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you've got a young artist stood right here

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in front of you right now.

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I mean, I know artists,

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they don't really care where their art ends up going and it's in the world and that's where it

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needs to be you know very philosophical about this kind of stuff uh but i i know it just felt right

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that you should know and it might inspire you to uh keep on doing what you're doing or whatever

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else but uh that was that was a story and john did end up telling you and i think he did come

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back and get it later otherwise he would have been walking around with it so i think it worked

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out perfectly for everybody I think it yeah Yeah And you absolutely right And that was a huge inspiration So I I thank you very much I will I will always be grateful for you

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for having him tell me that day. I do have a question. Did it, do you know if sailor ever

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ended up hanging it up? That's something I've wondered a couple of times. I've been like,

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I wonder if it's there somewhere in a hallway or like, you know, I'm like, if it's hanging up

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anywhere if it's in a bathroom i'll be happy um but uh that would be that would be so cool

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i do not know but that that'll be really fun one day maybe you might just see like a picture or

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something or catch a glimpse you're like oh shit it's there yeah who knows yeah or i'm gonna someday

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maybe when he does one of his big events i'll ask um somebody who's who's there that i now

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made more friends in the space be like hey did you see my art anywhere while you were there you know

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he's supposedly there's a print there of mine um i think it was a set was it a set of prints it

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might have been a set it might have been the mask and the pill i think it was yeah no he wanted to

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he chose the mask and then i think as soon as you found out who it was for i think you rolled

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something else up uh and was like send this over to yeah yeah and uh sorry just to bring it full

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circle it was at that moment that uh kisa handed me a copy of her book uh and uh i was like well

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that's very kind of you thank you very much she's like yeah no i'd love for you to read it and uh

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you know thank you for everything that you're doing and whatever and i thought wow really

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appreciate it never heard of the book got into the book loved it i love all the numbering and

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all of the stories in there and uh of course she's been on the podcast as well so we've done that and

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it's great to see that but you guys are still working together on this uh art magazine as well

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yeah it's uh it's funny when when that happened i didn't know who you guys were but she did

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and so she was like hey like that's like john vallas and daniel prince like that's like like

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that's really cool and then when he was like oh this is going to the sailor compound you know

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it's funny and now that i think about it she must have been like oh my gosh this is like so much

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more amazing than i even fully understood at the time thereafter though it was a huge inspiration

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that was a very big inspiration that whole event was but but uh for me because i sold my paintings

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it went in auction for a price that i was happy with and i sold a good amount of art and that

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happened and there was a couple other incidents and i walked away from that feeling very inspired

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so i do really thank you for that i genuinely believe that contributed to my inspiration

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and stoke on continuing to make bitcoin art so that's amazing well done congratulations on uh

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on taking that leap and it's it's testament i've said it a hundred times if you just lean into this

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space with some humility and integrity like the most amazing things happen like you'll get paid

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back in ways that you could never ever have imagined yeah absolutely amen to that

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all right let's get on to actually i want to talk to you about your upbringing

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because we touched on that before we hit record.

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And I like to see what's going on now with young Bitcoin families

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that are choosing this path or considering this path.

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So can you just tell people how you were brought up

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and the kind of education that you had as a young man?

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I was a, I guess the conventional way of saying it would be

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I was a homeschool kid.

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But in all reality, I was more of a free school or a no school kid.

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So I think part of that was because I was an extremely spirited child.

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Definitely I am on the spectrum, as are most of us Bitcoiners to some degree.

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And I was very difficult as a child in certain ways.

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I was very kind and I was very sweet, empathetic.

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I think I was a very intelligent, extremely discerning, perceptive child and very communicative and linguistic from a very young age.

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But I had I had some serious angst and frustrations and was very hard to get me to do anything that I didn't want to do.

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and my parents were super cool old hippies and they they decided that they didn't want to

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you know force me to go to school if I didn't want to and I think that my mother realized that

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at a young age she she realized that they were gonna have to break me and break my soul

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truly to get me to sit at a desk for eight hours a day listening to some you know state

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indoctrination drivel from a teacher that hates their, you know, sadly underpaid job.

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And she just decided her, they just decided they weren't going to make me do it.

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So they were really cool and they would let me go to school. They would give me the opportunity.

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So I've been to almost every kind of school that there is as far as a public, private charter,

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Sudbury, Montessori, Waldorf. We moved around a lot, kind of nomadic family. And so I tried out

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a bunch of different kinds of school. And usually after like two or three months, I would just be

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like, I'm over it. And so they would just let me drop out and basically like run around and play

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and just do whatever I wanted. And if I had an interest in something, they would get me the

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resources that I needed to learn about it, whether that was books or movies or taking me somewhere.

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And, uh, yeah, it was, it was interesting. I was, I think I was seven or eight years old

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and we were six or seven. We were in a, we were actually living in the Pacific Northwest

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and, uh, we were outside of, I'm not going to say where, but we, I, I, they, they put me in

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this free school and it was like uh i think it was it was a sudbury school and and the kids they

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have all of the resources and the faculty like teachers there but none of there's no curriculum

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it's just make your own curriculum so if you're like i want to learn about animals or i want to

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learn about science you just tell one of the like teacher faculty people and they're like okay cool

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let's like make you a curriculum and,

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and get you books on science and we can get you movies on science and help you

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build your own curriculum.

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And there was a computer room there where they would play like Starcraft and

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like some computer games.

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like playing computer games.

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And one day I just told my mom, I was like, this isn't like healthy for me.

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I just like play computer games all day.

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which was interesting because they had like super cool stuff to do like outside and like access to

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whatever you wanted but uh yeah so the only full year of school i ever did was seventh grade

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which i did we were actually living in southern india and we lived there for three years

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in an international community and i did uh one year of school that was seventh grade and then i

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didn't do eighth grade and then i did a semester of ninth grade and then that was the last conventional

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schooling that I've done. So I've been to probably a total of about three years of real school in my

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life. Yeah, I would say I've been to, I tell people I've been to trade school because I started

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working at a relatively young age, 14 or 15. And so I've learned a lot on jobs. And yeah, I think

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I turned out all right. I don't know if it's for everybody, but I'm not a wildly successful

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financially successful individual but anything that I put my mind to I've done well with

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and I would contribute that to reading so I taught myself to read when I was seven

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or eight years old and my mother was reading me Harry Potter and she would read it to me before

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bed every night and she would you know read a couple chapters and then she would get tired and

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say okay I'm gonna go to bed after this chapter's over and I would it would get you know chapter

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would end and I would say one more chapter one more chapter and she was like no I'm tired you're

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like seven years old or eight years old you should like learn to read I'm gonna go to bed like there's

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the book read it if you want to like not not in a mean way just she was tired and so I was so

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determined to know what was happening in the story I sat there and forced myself to sound out

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Voldemort, you know, Hogwarts and so forth. And I could, I could sound out words at that point.

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So I had picked up in the bits of school I had been to here and there and some like homeschool

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groups and whatever odd stuff that I, you know, places where they tried to teach you things like

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reading. I could sound out words and I could probably recite the alphabet. You know, I was

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seven years old and I was very communicative and linguistically capable so I sat there and I

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taught myself to read Harry Potter essentially and then from that moment on I read everything

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I could get my hands on from fantasy novels and and medieval fantasy books I read all of

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the Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit and all of the rest of Harry Potter and then went into sci-fi

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like Isaac Asimov sci-fi and read coffee shop or airport bookstore murder thrillers

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and self-help books Deepak Chopra I mean I just I just kind of from the age of seven or eight

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till about 15 or 16 I just read anything that I could get my hands on probably read a couple

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thousand books and i think that that was that was very helpful this is such a this completely smashes down the worry of if you don go to school you never learn to read which is one of the great um myths of uh of homeschooling or

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unschooling or world schooling call it whatever you like uh yeah and i i see it in my own kids

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because lauren um they've started a at a local school here they're doing kind of a uh a blended

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curriculum with land management

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animal husbandry and that's mixed in with

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like state GCSEs

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that they called over here. They'd be the equivalent to SATs

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our kids and

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the kids that are now kind of

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been merged with, like the things

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she says, she's like, none of them have ever

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read any books. It's like really

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weird.

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They always ask me all the time, what would you do this

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weekend i just sat down and i read my books and have you read this one and they look at me like

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i've got two heads and what what happens in like that indoctrination scenario is and this is very

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well documented uh john holt has talked about this so ken robinson has talked about this peter

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gray has talked about this yabor mate as well about how the um you know you just destroy like

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like what your mother and father were afraid of like your soul being destroyed that's the purpose

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of it like you know you crush that love of learning that creativity that spark is just completely

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snuffed out and you you don't have the time to explore the things that you know are interesting

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to you and you had the incentive like we we know this is bitcoin as austrian economics like

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follow the incentives right the incentive for you was to get to the end of that next chapter and well

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fucking hell you better figure out how to read or and become self-sovereign yeah yeah

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it it's it's fascinating yeah that's that's really interesting that that that you say she

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says the other kids there don't read books no books to them you see at that age kids um

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associate books with textbooks and textbooks are the worst right the last thing you ever want to do

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So they associate books with sit down, get your pen and paper out, open the textbook.

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Like no one wants to do that ever.

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No, it's it's they I can.

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It makes a lot of sense.

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You start to associate books with something that you're forced to do by people that you don't like.

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And why would you ever do that for fun?

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And that's I mean, that alone is possibly more detrimental to kids than anything, because they say you should go to school so you can learn how to learn.

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But if you kill the joy of learning, then why would you ever want to learn anything?

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And so, I mean, it's, you know, many, most conventional schooling, I guess, is breaking

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their, breaking them, breaking their, breaking their spirit, breaking their creativity, and

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then actually instilling like a despise of learning in them, which then they go home

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and they don't want to learn anything anywhere, anywhere else in life.

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I mean, it's, yeah, it's, it's really tragic. And it's, it's interesting academically, like,

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I'm not the greatest at math, but beyond math that you use on a daily basis, why do I need to

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know any other math? If I wanted to go work at, if I wanted to go learn engineering or go work on

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rockets or something, I'm sure, sure as shit will learn the math that I need to know to do so.

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And if I can't, then I probably shouldn't be working on rockets anyways. So, but whenever,

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How does sacred geometry and math come in?

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Because you said at the beginning here,

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you have a big love of sacred geometry.

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Visual math.

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So I, you know, the sacred geometric artwork,

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it's visual.

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So you don't actually need to do any mathematical equations

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to create good sacred or sacred geometry

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or good geometric artwork.

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You know, it's very, very visual based.

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but but math's never been a problem like in any normal job i've never and i've worked all i've

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worked all kinds of regular jobs yeah what was what was normie fiat life before bitcoin artist

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i um i i have i mean i've worked like you know as a teenager all right i'll start at the very

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beginning. So I, the first paid work that I ever did beyond maybe like washing a friend's parents'

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car or some like odd chore they gave us some money for was in India. I had a friend whose

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mother was the caregiver for a, what's the word, a handicapped elderly man who he was actually,

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he was the first man he had been hit by a lorry in India and it took it removed his arm like his

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arm got ripped off he was I think on a motorbike or a bicycle he got hit by an Indian roads like

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bus or lorry ripped his arm off and they did the first arm reconstructive surgery in India

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on him and it was I don't maybe it was a combination of like how bad the accident was

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and the fact that it was like the first ever reconstructive arm surgery supposedly that's

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what i was told but it was like pretty gimpy i don't know if that's a pc to say or very nice to

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say but that's what it was uh but he was this total character he was this old american guy and

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he had these great stories but basically the job was to go over there in the morning a couple days

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a week and like help him get dressed and like uh clean himself up help him shower and shave and

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like basically like get dressed and ready for the day which is really interesting because i was like

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it was like 14 years old so i was basically like doing like caregiver work at the age of 14

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and my my friend's mom paid me and then my friend who was like my same age to go over there and help

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him out so that it was like five or seven days a week we each had like a couple days and it was

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like an hour or two of work and she like paid us all right for it and it was cool and he had like

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00:37:30,398 --> 00:37:36,998
these crazy stories of like smuggling hash way back in the day and like like but talk about like

408
00:37:36,998 --> 00:37:43,258
women and stuff and like women he had known and like he was it was it was it was pretty hilarious

409
00:37:43,258 --> 00:37:48,938
um he was uh definitely like an old pirate kind of guy but uh yeah we when we helped him like

410
00:37:48,938 --> 00:37:53,398
you know get dressed in the morning so that was actually the first paid job i ever had i then had

411
00:37:53,398 --> 00:38:01,818
a job where i helped build some like pagoda huts kind of palapas uh if you will like natural

412
00:38:01,818 --> 00:38:08,678
building materials and for like a one of the like eco nature kind of communities in the area

413
00:38:08,678 --> 00:38:19,858
and um then i've worked in and we had left india and we were living in hawaii and i worked at some

414
00:38:19,858 --> 00:38:26,438
like busing at a restaurant worked in a grocery store a little ice cream shop kind of run-of-the-mill

415
00:38:26,438 --> 00:38:33,498
odd jobs all of which i succeeded at very successfully i mean you don't you basically

416
00:38:33,498 --> 00:38:39,338
anybody can restock grocery shelves um and you know if you can't restock grocery shelves

417
00:38:39,338 --> 00:38:46,338
effectively then you probably have you know actual underlying conditions um i don't think

418
00:38:46,338 --> 00:38:52,478
school is going to help you restock grocery shelves or not uh and then i've done landscaping

419
00:38:52,478 --> 00:38:57,758
and construction and then i learned working with a good friend of mine solar design and installation

420
00:38:57,758 --> 00:39:04,158
shipping container fabrication ag plan implementation like large-scale irrigation

421
00:39:04,158 --> 00:39:11,238
small-scale irrigation plumbing general construction learned how to drive bobcats and skid steers and

422
00:39:11,238 --> 00:39:20,218
excavators uh dump trucks and just i would say general construction but with a pretty like broad

423
00:39:20,218 --> 00:39:28,818
focus and my friend's super cool and he he would call us sustainable solution technicians and so we

424
00:39:28,818 --> 00:39:35,838
would do like property management kind of stuff uh from you know installing fruit trees and

425
00:39:35,838 --> 00:39:44,398
irrigation like installing a 40 acre orchard for somebody to like building a additional wing of

426
00:39:44,398 --> 00:39:50,618
someone's house or a building a shed for someone like pretty much anything you name it kind of

427
00:39:50,618 --> 00:39:57,358
construction guy so i learned a lot from him and did well doing all of that kind of stuff so i would

428
00:39:57,358 --> 00:40:05,418
call it that that i would call a trade school time in my life and then i got i was busing at a

429
00:40:05,418 --> 00:40:12,298
restaurant also and i learned to roll sushi one of the chefs left and i somehow managed to get them

430
00:40:12,298 --> 00:40:19,138
to teach me to make sushi. So I was a sushi chef for a couple of years there. And I've worked in

431
00:40:19,138 --> 00:40:26,058
three different sushi bars, two in Hawaii, one in California. I did that successfully. You don't

432
00:40:26,058 --> 00:40:31,278
need to know, um, you know, a whole also kind of a hands-on trade school sort of thing, I guess.

433
00:40:31,738 --> 00:40:37,278
So more, more work that was with my hands and less like, you know, academic smarts kind of work,

434
00:40:37,278 --> 00:40:46,858
but cool interesting stuff and um what did i do then i i did a bunch of like interior design

435
00:40:46,858 --> 00:40:56,998
in southern california for a bit uh before covid i like a friend of mine that i had met at burning

436
00:40:56,998 --> 00:41:06,858
man of all places out by robot heart on the playa at like 4 a.m uh he was somehow ended up in la

437
00:41:06,858 --> 00:41:09,938
and was doing like design based work,

438
00:41:10,058 --> 00:41:12,058
like interior design kind of stuff.

439
00:41:12,178 --> 00:41:14,798
But he's also like a kind of crazy polymath kind of guy

440
00:41:14,798 --> 00:41:18,378
who could like draw like the schematics of a watch,

441
00:41:19,158 --> 00:41:22,998
like design a watch, like perfectly sketched out.

442
00:41:23,798 --> 00:41:24,978
And so he knows like, you know,

443
00:41:25,038 --> 00:41:28,158
AutoCAD and SketchUp and different rendering softwares.

444
00:41:28,158 --> 00:41:29,778
And then also like plays super sick music

445
00:41:29,778 --> 00:41:31,458
and then also can like paint a mural.

446
00:41:31,878 --> 00:41:34,058
So very like multifaceted kind of guy.

447
00:41:34,438 --> 00:41:36,318
And so I was working with him for a bit

448
00:41:36,318 --> 00:41:39,938
and we remodeled like a half a million dollar remodel

449
00:41:39,971 --> 00:41:45,811
the interior of a house in abbot kinney in venice and then we did some work for some startups like

450
00:41:45,811 --> 00:41:52,291
installing a fall wall in their office and uh getting custom neon signage made for them and

451
00:41:52,291 --> 00:41:58,051
then also like painting a mural for them and we did like a custom led entranceway installation at

452
00:41:58,051 --> 00:42:04,611
a dispensary up in oakland one time so cool design related stuff that was kind of getting a little

453
00:42:04,611 --> 00:42:11,271
more artsy uh which is kind of cool when i think about that there was a progression from doing

454
00:42:11,271 --> 00:42:17,731
crafts trades based work to doing more and more art based work to now being a full-time artist

455
00:42:17,731 --> 00:42:27,171
so yeah and then i did spend uh probably four or five years on farms growing hemp

456
00:42:27,171 --> 00:42:37,671
and everything that entails and uh yeah so but never along the way did anybody ever fire me

457
00:42:37,671 --> 00:42:42,431
or did i ever was i ever unable to complete a job and make a

458
00:42:42,431 --> 00:42:51,391
a fair paycheck for lack of having been to conventional schooling or not being able to

459
00:42:51,391 --> 00:42:56,031
do basic math you know so you learn a lot of basic math on hemp farms yeah

460
00:42:56,031 --> 00:43:06,231
yeah i bet you too all right so now with all of that like yeah varied and that's the beauty of it

461
00:43:06,231 --> 00:43:11,471
right because uh otherwise you come out of the box of the state education indoctrination system

462
00:43:11,471 --> 00:43:16,871
and straight into the next box whether that's university and then straight into the next box

463
00:43:16,871 --> 00:43:23,151
whether that's your chosen career or whatever you can get and then life just passes you by

464
00:43:23,151 --> 00:43:29,711
and 35 years later you're like what the hell just happened but um well all of that experience has

465
00:43:29,711 --> 00:43:35,991
brought you now to the bitcoin art magazine so let's talk about that like this is quite the

466
00:43:35,991 --> 00:43:44,711
undertaking uh there have been a few bitcoin magazines we've we've had obviously the the big

467
00:43:44,711 --> 00:43:53,931
one shitcoin magazine uh we had citadel 21 which was a great one that was uh yeah hodland north and

468
00:43:53,931 --> 00:44:00,891
uh and and uh and others over there and then you had 21ism which was uh an online zine which uh

469
00:44:00,891 --> 00:44:05,731
which was great then you had dim zyan the artist was doing his magazines with the uh the honey

470
00:44:05,731 --> 00:44:15,771
badger uh but it's hard work man like uh this is an undertaking so however you found why why did

471
00:44:15,771 --> 00:44:20,571
you choose to to do a bitcoin art magazine and and you know what have the challenges been and the

472
00:44:20,571 --> 00:44:31,151
successes i i i uh i didn't think it was going to be as hard as it has been let's make a magazine

473
00:44:31,151 --> 00:44:39,691
he said um i will say that not having gone to conventional school and having had parents that

474
00:44:39,691 --> 00:44:44,791
practiced positive reinforcement and a lot of non-violent communication as developed by

475
00:44:44,791 --> 00:44:50,631
marshall b rosenberg which if anybody isn't aware of and is listening to this you should definitely

476
00:44:50,631 --> 00:44:57,231
check out nvc non-violent communication by a guy named developed by a guy named marshall rosenberg

477
00:44:57,231 --> 00:45:00,111
which my mom started studying when I was nine years old.

478
00:45:01,191 --> 00:45:03,111
And, but a lot of positive reinforcement.

479
00:45:03,751 --> 00:45:09,411
And, and, and yeah, I think, I think, you know, it's interesting.

480
00:45:09,551 --> 00:45:13,251
I think ultimately having not gotten stuck in the whole grad,

481
00:45:13,451 --> 00:45:18,411
graduate school, college, university, kind of black hole of sorts,

482
00:45:18,411 --> 00:45:22,291
was probably in my benefit overall,

483
00:45:22,911 --> 00:45:27,211
unless I wanted to study or somebody wants to study something that you

484
00:45:27,211 --> 00:45:38,751
You obviously need to go to extensive grad school for such as like surgery or, you know, certain kinds of engineering, mechanical engineering.

485
00:45:39,651 --> 00:45:51,711
Or maybe, you know, if you want to pilot tanker ships, you should go to, you know, a school that teaches you how to drive a giant boat and so forth.

486
00:45:51,911 --> 00:45:55,331
But a lot of like most work you don't really need to, I don't think you need to go to school for.

487
00:45:55,331 --> 00:46:11,591
And I think that's allowed me, having been able to work many different kinds of jobs successfully, and has allowed me to get to try out a bunch of different stuff and to be able to do stuff that also, you know, maybe a lot of people wouldn't try to do because I believe that I could do it.

488
00:46:11,811 --> 00:46:13,771
So I decided I want to make a magazine.

489
00:46:14,771 --> 00:46:19,331
Now, a Bitcoin art magazine is something that's been talked about a lot, I believe.

490
00:46:19,331 --> 00:46:25,371
believe i've talked about it a good amount with a bunch of the other artists uh notably aladdin

491
00:46:25,371 --> 00:46:31,591
who i help out uh and serve as the art director for bitcoin trading cards shout out bitcoin trading

492
00:46:31,591 --> 00:46:38,831
cards but also rebel money who is a phenomenal bitcoin artist which if you don't know of rebel

493
00:46:38,831 --> 00:46:45,691
money rebel money art you should check out rebel money's work and him and i have become what i would

494
00:46:45,691 --> 00:46:52,731
consider friends over the last couple years. And in Nashville, Bitcoin Nashville, after the

495
00:46:52,731 --> 00:47:02,671
Bitcoin conference there in 2024, he and I, I have to give him credit, him and I believe it was MLO

496
00:47:02,671 --> 00:47:12,431
and Yonat Vox, also phenomenal Bitcoin artists, made a gallery catalog for their work that was

497
00:47:12,431 --> 00:47:17,491
featured in the gallery and they did it really nicely and i saw it and was very impressed and

498
00:47:17,491 --> 00:47:24,711
and so i started chattering on to rebel about like what about like a like another one of these but it

499
00:47:24,711 --> 00:47:30,311
has all the artists in the galleries work in it you know and what about a bitcoin art magazine you

500
00:47:30,311 --> 00:47:34,691
know and you know i'm pretty sure he was like yeah yeah you know like of course like we thought about

501
00:47:34,691 --> 00:47:39,291
this and you know i've talked to so and so about it or whatever and him and i went and got lunch

502
00:47:39,291 --> 00:47:42,811
together. We talked about it a bunch and we kind of made a loose plan that we were going to make a

503
00:47:42,811 --> 00:47:49,971
Bitcoin art magazine. And then we left the conference and life happened and him and I

504
00:47:49,971 --> 00:47:54,791
didn't talk about it at all. And then he started doing the Art of Freedom podcast with Flo Montoya,

505
00:47:55,011 --> 00:48:00,211
another phenomenal artist. Shout out. If you don't know Flo, check her out. And they were doing,

506
00:48:00,751 --> 00:48:06,251
or have been, had been running the Art of Freedom podcast on Twitter spaces for a while.

507
00:48:06,251 --> 00:48:11,511
he was kind of busy with that and then they like curated a gallery that's currently happening

508
00:48:11,511 --> 00:48:16,291
oh i think it might be ending by the time this podcast gets released but there was a gallery at

509
00:48:16,291 --> 00:48:23,991
the space in denver of artwork and uh it's going on auction very soon but they organized a really

510
00:48:23,991 --> 00:48:32,991
cool a collection of posters at nash uh at vegas that was in the gallery there but they were quite

511
00:48:32,991 --> 00:48:42,011
busy with stuff and I you know I saw I saw what they were doing and I was inspired honestly by it

512
00:48:42,011 --> 00:48:46,711
and I got fired up and was like I'm just gonna make the magazine and I'm just gonna do it and

513
00:48:46,711 --> 00:48:53,631
rebel was busy with art of freedom it seemed and so I I just just started hitting up the artists

514
00:48:53,631 --> 00:48:58,711
and was just I I think I put a post out on Twitter and said hey I'm gonna make a bitcoin art magazine

515
00:48:58,711 --> 00:49:03,911
who wants to be in it send me a dm and i got a bunch of people hit me up and then i reached out

516
00:49:03,911 --> 00:49:13,131
to a handful of some of the bigger names as well and i just had such a like there was such a like

517
00:49:13,131 --> 00:49:20,491
smooth and easy like flow in in into getting it set up and like such a great response from everybody

518
00:49:20,491 --> 00:49:25,311
that i was super confident i still am super confident now thanks to the wider community

519
00:49:25,311 --> 00:49:33,851
response that's been overwhelmingly positive and i made a submission form and got a bunch of

520
00:49:33,851 --> 00:49:37,531
artists to send me stuff and it was actually crazy within like two or three days i closed

521
00:49:37,531 --> 00:49:42,231
submissions because i had like so many people that were like i want to be in it i check this

522
00:49:42,231 --> 00:49:46,991
out i have this and i discovered a whole bunch of new artists that were making bitcoin related art

523
00:49:46,991 --> 00:49:51,531
and that was kind of the the inception of it and that was at the beginning of this year

524
00:49:51,531 --> 00:50:01,011
and then I started building the whole magazine in Adobe Illustrator which is as I knew but not

525
00:50:01,011 --> 00:50:05,491
where you build a magazine but I kind of just had the idea that's what I know how to use because I

526
00:50:05,491 --> 00:50:11,291
use that for some of my other art and for making Bitcoin trading cards and so I just was like I'm

527
00:50:11,291 --> 00:50:20,051
just started basically did the rough layouts in Adobe Illustrator and then I realized it needed

528
00:50:20,051 --> 00:50:23,071
to be an InDesign, Adobe InDesign.

529
00:50:23,071 --> 00:50:32,471
And so I had someone help me start transferring it

530
00:50:32,471 --> 00:50:33,971
over into InDesign.

531
00:50:34,751 --> 00:50:37,291
And her name's Emily, and she's the creator

532
00:50:37,291 --> 00:50:38,551
of Block Hunters Board Game.

533
00:50:39,091 --> 00:50:39,831
Shout out, Emily.

534
00:50:40,371 --> 00:50:42,571
She helped me move the whole thing into InDesign,

535
00:50:42,691 --> 00:50:44,671
and I kind of got my head wrapped around InDesign.

536
00:50:45,151 --> 00:50:49,551
And then, very exciting, I actually

537
00:50:49,551 --> 00:50:58,611
got Annabelle Baza, the former creative director and design director of Bitcoin Magazine, five-year

538
00:50:58,611 --> 00:51:06,191
tenor. So she hand-built the last 20 issues of Bitcoin Magazine. She's no longer working with

539
00:51:06,191 --> 00:51:13,991
Bitcoin Magazine as of right now, but she and her and I had become friends. There was an article I

540
00:51:13,991 --> 00:51:20,231
had in the halving edition of Bitcoin Magazine featuring my seed cipher art. And then her and I

541
00:51:20,231 --> 00:51:27,891
worked on a really amazing article and a cool project where the freedom issue of Bitcoin Magazine

542
00:51:27,891 --> 00:51:35,671
came with packs of Bitcoin trading cards. And so her and I had kind of just developed a friendship,

543
00:51:35,851 --> 00:51:42,371
working relationship, associate kind of thing over the last couple of years. And she was really

544
00:51:42,371 --> 00:51:45,211
excited about the Bitcoin art magazine and wanted to help me out.

545
00:51:45,371 --> 00:51:48,711
And so she's now helped me rebuild it for the third time,

546
00:51:48,911 --> 00:51:50,411
extremely professionally,

547
00:51:50,411 --> 00:51:53,171
and is helping me oversee the whole print and production.

548
00:51:54,171 --> 00:51:55,511
So that's been really amazing.

549
00:51:55,831 --> 00:51:56,851
Shout out to Annabelle.

550
00:51:57,211 --> 00:51:58,491
A lot of people don't know who she is,

551
00:51:58,551 --> 00:52:10,037
but she is an absolute design wizard or sorceress I don know But so yeah so it exciting It going to be really nice

552
00:52:10,177 --> 00:52:11,377
It's going to be really well done.

553
00:52:11,457 --> 00:52:14,757
I'm very confident of that in a big part

554
00:52:14,757 --> 00:52:15,977
to having Annabelle come in

555
00:52:15,977 --> 00:52:17,497
and help me really tie it all together.

556
00:52:18,417 --> 00:52:20,817
And when can people get their hands on it?

557
00:52:20,917 --> 00:52:23,317
What's the idea for that, dropping it?

558
00:52:24,177 --> 00:52:25,937
So you can pre-order it right now.

559
00:52:25,937 --> 00:52:28,977
You can go to bitcoinartmagazine.com and pre-order it.

560
00:52:28,977 --> 00:52:33,677
and the magazine is at the printers right now.

561
00:52:34,397 --> 00:52:38,457
So hopefully we start shipping in two to four weeks.

562
00:52:38,457 --> 00:52:41,777
We'll see how long it takes to actually get on my doorstep.

563
00:52:42,857 --> 00:52:44,757
But currently it's,

564
00:52:44,897 --> 00:52:49,457
I think this week should be going on the printing press

565
00:52:49,457 --> 00:52:51,557
and we're doing offset printing,

566
00:52:51,557 --> 00:52:54,777
which is really exciting as opposed to digital printing

567
00:52:54,777 --> 00:53:02,697
at a very well-established printmaker's shop up in Canada.

568
00:53:03,777 --> 00:53:07,537
And so we have four options.

569
00:53:07,817 --> 00:53:10,697
We have our base edition, unnumbered base magazine.

570
00:53:11,057 --> 00:53:12,357
We'll cap the supply.

571
00:53:12,497 --> 00:53:14,977
It'll still be super rare, so get your hands on a copy.

572
00:53:15,257 --> 00:53:17,017
It's only $33 plus shipping.

573
00:53:18,057 --> 00:53:22,677
And we'll buy a subscription for $84 plus shipping.

574
00:53:22,677 --> 00:53:27,257
and uh that that it's going to be really beautiful it's going to be really nice quality high quality

575
00:53:27,257 --> 00:53:34,657
uh but it will be it's unnumbered if i get some opportunity to print some more i want to

576
00:53:34,657 --> 00:53:42,057
distribute as many as i can i want to spread the artwork i would like to it's an archive in a in a

577
00:53:42,057 --> 00:53:48,617
sense it's an art journal and i would like to help spread the artists that are in it shout out to all

578
00:53:48,617 --> 00:53:53,597
of the artists that have helped make this possible that have made this possible and all of the amazing

579
00:53:53,597 --> 00:54:00,517
artwork that you create and continue to create please keep creating it uh the list is it's over

580
00:54:00,517 --> 00:54:05,057
30 artists so i'm not going to name everybody right now but fractal encrypts full node sculpture

581
00:54:05,057 --> 00:54:12,377
is featured on the cover and some of the big names in it are madex cypherpunk now alex schaefer

582
00:54:12,377 --> 00:54:22,657
marcus connor we have brekkie vaughn bitcoin with bitcoin apex um it's a it's a stand-up lineup we

583
00:54:22,657 --> 00:54:27,837
have ryer and zetra we've got a we've got a bunch of really amazing newer artists in it as well

584
00:54:27,837 --> 00:54:34,537
it's 36 art 36 artists i believe and uh so the base edition is unnumbered but we will cap the

585
00:54:34,537 --> 00:54:44,137
the print at some point here. So it'll still be pretty limited. And our first print is going to be

586
00:54:44,137 --> 00:54:49,157
like my goal is to distribute like 2000 copies. And if I can figure out how to distribute more,

587
00:54:49,317 --> 00:54:53,277
there's a lot of demand for it. And or I get some amazing opportunities, a couple of things that I'm

588
00:54:53,277 --> 00:54:58,677
working on up my sleeve, then maybe we'll print some more. But we will announce how many were

589
00:54:58,677 --> 00:55:04,757
printed once we're done printing it. The next tier up is a gold foil cover. And that's going to be,

590
00:55:04,837 --> 00:55:09,017
it's a parallel of the magazine. So it's all the same interior content, but the cover has got like

591
00:55:09,017 --> 00:55:17,017
fancy gold foiling and it's hand signed and numbered by yours truly. And there'll be 210 of

592
00:55:17,017 --> 00:55:23,117
those. And then there is a hardcover book that we're doing, and there will be 121 of the hardcover

593
00:55:23,117 --> 00:55:28,977
book and that's not a magazine it's called bitcoin art genesis edition so we're actually

594
00:55:28,977 --> 00:55:35,697
have created a bitcoin fine art book in tandem with the magazine now it features all of the same

595
00:55:35,697 --> 00:55:42,037
artwork and words from the artists and your forward is included and then but we've removed

596
00:55:42,037 --> 00:55:47,897
some of the more magazine content uh so like there's no advertisements in the book there's

597
00:55:47,897 --> 00:55:52,197
actually two books and there's a couple other things that we pulled out so we really went for

598
00:55:52,197 --> 00:55:53,877
like a fine art coffee table book.

599
00:55:53,957 --> 00:55:56,337
It's a Bitcoin art hardcover book,

600
00:55:56,377 --> 00:55:58,017
edition of 121.

601
00:55:58,277 --> 00:55:59,617
And then we have a patrons edition

602
00:55:59,617 --> 00:56:00,977
of the book.

603
00:56:01,057 --> 00:56:02,117
It's a hardcover book

604
00:56:02,117 --> 00:56:04,337
with gold foil on the cover,

605
00:56:04,597 --> 00:56:05,617
raised UV.

606
00:56:06,137 --> 00:56:07,017
We haven't dialed in

607
00:56:07,017 --> 00:56:08,257
all the effects just yet,

608
00:56:08,317 --> 00:56:09,237
but we're going to bling it out

609
00:56:09,237 --> 00:56:10,397
pretty, pretty nice

610
00:56:10,397 --> 00:56:12,437
and put it in a really fancy nesting box.

611
00:56:12,477 --> 00:56:14,137
And there'll only be 21 of those.

612
00:56:14,137 --> 00:56:16,057
And they're almost all sold out.

613
00:56:16,197 --> 00:56:18,137
There's only three left.

614
00:56:18,357 --> 00:56:21,757
There's one in fractal encrypts,

615
00:56:21,757 --> 00:56:27,457
Haudley Day Market. Shout out if this drops in time to go and pick something up from the

616
00:56:27,457 --> 00:56:33,617
Fractals Haudley Day Market. There's a Bitcoin white paper in it, which is pretty epic and some

617
00:56:33,617 --> 00:56:39,657
casatious coins. So some cool pieces of history are in that collection. And so I've got one of

618
00:56:39,657 --> 00:56:44,137
the patrons editions available there, and then I have two available on the website. And so

619
00:56:44,137 --> 00:56:51,557
it's been an overwhelming response from the community at large on pre-orders for this thing.

620
00:56:51,757 --> 00:56:56,297
Shout out to all of our patrons, big and small,

621
00:56:56,577 --> 00:56:59,317
and shout out to our advertisers or our sponsors,

622
00:56:59,637 --> 00:57:02,037
who are also patrons of the arts,

623
00:57:02,117 --> 00:57:04,297
because I could not do any of this without everybody

624
00:57:04,297 --> 00:57:09,797
who's put an ad in the magazine or pre-ordered a magazine or a book.

625
00:57:10,397 --> 00:57:12,437
So, sorry, that was a lot.

626
00:57:13,257 --> 00:57:14,957
You've done a great deal of work.

627
00:57:15,097 --> 00:57:16,957
So where should people go and look?

628
00:57:17,057 --> 00:57:19,217
Is it simply bitcoinartmagazine.com?

629
00:57:20,097 --> 00:57:21,697
It's bitcoinartmagazine.com.

630
00:57:21,757 --> 00:57:25,197
I knew it was meant to be when I looked up the domain and it was available.

631
00:57:25,997 --> 00:57:26,157
Wow.

632
00:57:26,437 --> 00:57:30,417
So bitcoinartmagazine.com is our website.

633
00:57:30,837 --> 00:57:35,677
And we also offer free digital copies of the simplest Bitcoin book ever written.

634
00:57:35,817 --> 00:57:38,777
You can also buy the simplest Bitcoin book ever written in our store.

635
00:57:39,257 --> 00:57:42,757
And we will be doing some limited edition fine art prints.

636
00:57:42,757 --> 00:57:47,697
Have a couple exciting little projects with a couple of the artists featured in the Genesis edition.

637
00:57:47,997 --> 00:57:51,357
So we will be offering a bit of art for sale through the website as well.

638
00:57:51,757 --> 00:58:05,417
But the feature attraction is the magazine or the book itself and all of the artist's art that's within it. So I'm envisioning this as an archive of sorts to archive this.

639
00:58:05,417 --> 00:58:11,697
you know what i feel like and many of us bitcoiners feel like is a monumental point

640
00:58:11,697 --> 00:58:21,577
in history as bitcoin adoption goes mainstream you know and there's going to be a loss of a lot

641
00:58:21,577 --> 00:58:28,677
of the cypherpunk culture there already is i know a lot of us all feel it and i hope that through

642
00:58:28,677 --> 00:58:36,477
bitcoin art we can hang on to the some of the remnants of you know what uh what what what it

643
00:58:36,477 --> 00:58:45,197
was like here pre wall street adoption yeah and continue forward we're gonna say when uh i guess

644
00:58:45,197 --> 00:58:52,497
the next magazine suit coin art magazine is that the idea yeah yeah it's interesting it's gonna be

645
00:58:52,497 --> 00:58:57,757
interesting what happens with this i have a lot of you mentioned citadel 21 earlier and so i have

646
00:58:57,757 --> 00:59:04,317
a lot of um it's bittersweet that huddle and not capped it at 21 editions but i have a lot of

647
00:59:04,317 --> 00:59:10,457
respect and understanding of why he did that you know yeah and it's it's that was an era in time

648
00:59:10,457 --> 00:59:18,057
that is it's never going to be the same anymore no it's uh i feel that too uh with all of this um

649
00:59:18,777 --> 00:59:26,257
uh the thing is right i worked on wall street uh well i was in singapore not on wall street but

650
00:59:26,257 --> 00:59:32,077
you know what i mean in financial markets uh i spent 18 years there so i know the uh wow i know

651
00:59:32,077 --> 00:59:40,157
i know the fuckery i worked in foreign exchange before yeah the fiat currency you know the the

652
00:59:40,157 --> 00:59:47,297
largest market in the world by orders of magnitude completely dwarfs equities and uh yeah it's sad

653
00:59:47,297 --> 00:59:53,057
it's sad what's going on uh it was inevitable but there was a moment in time there where

654
00:59:53,057 --> 00:59:58,477
obviously at the very very beginning it was a true cypherpunks and uh then you had like kind of

655
00:59:58,477 --> 01:00:07,537
like the the monetary reformists that were hanging on to it uh and now yeah you've got people like

656
01:00:07,537 --> 01:00:15,717
canter fitzgerald coming in and backing people to offer you loan products and it's it's it's a

657
01:00:15,717 --> 01:00:20,217
weird time it's a weird time and a lot of people are going to lose a lot of bitcoin over this this

658
01:00:20,217 --> 01:00:25,717
next 18 months to two years especially if they fall for these loan products uh it's um

659
01:00:25,717 --> 01:00:32,557
yeah i don't know what i don't know what to think about it all yeah well it must be really

660
01:00:32,557 --> 01:00:38,437
interesting i i didn't know that you that that's a long time you said 18 years in finance in trad

661
01:00:38,437 --> 01:00:45,597
fi yeah that's a long that's a lot of that's a that's a couple masters of of a craft you know

662
01:00:45,597 --> 01:00:57,257
right there. So that's, you know, that's, that's pushing 30,000 hours. So that, uh, yeah, what,

663
01:00:57,457 --> 01:01:03,057
what, what's your take on all of this? Oh, you know, I guess I, you know, like, like a Blackrock

664
01:01:03,057 --> 01:01:09,757
ETF. I don't, I'm a, I'm like a surfer, you know, hemp farm hippie kid. So I don't, I don't know

665
01:01:09,757 --> 01:01:15,577
anything about the perspective of someone who's has your perspective of that kind of experience.

666
01:01:15,597 --> 01:01:21,977
experience in trad fi like what is your take on on well i knew it was coming uh that's why i bought

667
01:01:21,977 --> 01:01:28,117
bitcoin in the first place because once i realized uh like oh shit because i'd spent my whole career

668
01:01:28,117 --> 01:01:33,837
seeing new financial wizardry markets you know i worked in derivatives right and foreign exchange

669
01:01:33,837 --> 01:01:40,077
options you know options didn't exist until like the mid 80s i think it was something like that and

670
01:01:40,077 --> 01:01:44,357
then you've just got derivative on top of derivative on top of derivative and then i saw

671
01:01:44,357 --> 01:01:51,717
like a long date derivatives come in so you now can do like an option with an expiry of 30 years

672
01:01:51,717 --> 01:02:00,037
and you're like what like thinking about it now like a 30-year expiry of an option uh of two fiat

673
01:02:00,037 --> 01:02:09,277
currency pairs if you'd have if you'd have done like a 10-year expiry of a dollar mark in 1995

674
01:02:09,277 --> 01:02:14,117
you wouldn't have seen expiry because the deutsch mark didn't exist anymore and nor did the french

675
01:02:14,117 --> 01:02:18,377
Frank and not in the Lira, you know, it's, but this is what Wall Street does.

676
01:02:18,377 --> 01:02:21,517
It just dreams up all of this random shit.

677
01:02:22,157 --> 01:02:37,583
So when I started really falling down the Bitcoin rabbit hole and it suddenly clicked to me it like wait a minute this isn coming from we didn even use the word tradfire right until like two years ago like this is this is a this is

678
01:02:37,583 --> 01:02:45,023
an investable asset that has not been designed by the incumbent you know monopolies over uh you know

679
01:02:45,023 --> 01:02:50,623
designing financial instruments i'm like holy fucking shit wait till they realize and that's

680
01:02:50,623 --> 01:02:55,403
that was like the click moment for me it's like i can invest into something before these guys even

681
01:02:55,403 --> 01:03:01,143
realize what it is now i didn't think it would take them as long as it did to to suddenly you

682
01:03:01,143 --> 01:03:08,723
know catch up to speed and they were very much still bashing it you know the the fud that we've

683
01:03:08,723 --> 01:03:13,383
had to listen to like people like jamie diamond and i'm sure he's speaking out of both of the both

684
01:03:13,383 --> 01:03:17,503
sides of his mouth um i'm sure they've been working on these kind of products in the background

685
01:03:17,503 --> 01:03:22,883
and at the same time going on to the World Economic Forum

686
01:03:22,883 --> 01:03:25,663
and saying, no, it's rubbish.

687
01:03:25,923 --> 01:03:28,123
It's Warren Buffett calling it rat poison

688
01:03:28,123 --> 01:03:29,083
and all this kind of stuff.

689
01:03:30,223 --> 01:03:31,443
So here we are.

690
01:03:31,563 --> 01:03:34,843
I knew it would come one day, and sadly, here it is.

691
01:03:34,843 --> 01:03:40,843
And what's even worse is Bitcoiners

692
01:03:41,523 --> 01:03:43,423
that have been around a couple of years

693
01:03:43,423 --> 01:03:46,943
that just haven't quite built up the conviction yet

694
01:03:46,943 --> 01:03:56,803
will sell some bitcoin to diversify um or they will loan their bitcoin to some of these loan

695
01:03:56,803 --> 01:04:05,643
products that are just popping up left right what do you what do you make of the are there any loan

696
01:04:05,643 --> 01:04:11,323
products out there that you that you think are like is there any loan bitcoin loan that that

697
01:04:11,323 --> 01:04:16,703
is there any way to do it that's safe is there anything out there that is being done in in a

698
01:04:16,703 --> 01:04:22,923
more higher i i mean there's no i don't know if there's anything such thing as like a ethical or

699
01:04:22,923 --> 01:04:28,923
a moral loan but like you know like 21 like jack mallard's stuff like are there any that you're

700
01:04:28,923 --> 01:04:35,563
like okay like what they're doing you know is like may you know make sense at least to for xyz

701
01:04:35,563 --> 01:04:42,323
reason to xyz people or something or would you say like don't ever loan against your bitcoin no

702
01:04:42,323 --> 01:04:48,263
matter what yeah i'd say that uh i'd say you know unchained probably have the longest track record

703
01:04:48,263 --> 01:04:52,963
but i'm not even sure that's available globally i think it might still only be available in the

704
01:04:52,963 --> 01:04:58,543
us i'm sorry unchained if i'm if i'm talking shit there uh but they've got the longest track record

705
01:04:58,543 --> 01:05:03,583
so if anyone's looking then then go and look there but otherwise you know what's to protect you from

706
01:05:03,583 --> 01:05:11,163
a flash crash uh nothing yeah nothing because yeah and this can happen and not only can it happen i

707
01:05:11,163 --> 01:05:14,083
I think it's actually being designed.

708
01:05:14,243 --> 01:05:15,563
I think traps are being set.

709
01:05:15,703 --> 01:05:17,183
I think honeypots are being set up.

710
01:05:17,323 --> 01:05:23,483
I think companies and influencers are being very well backed by Wall Street institutions

711
01:05:23,483 --> 01:05:28,003
to go out and attract Bitcoin as Bitcoin to their loan products.

712
01:05:28,483 --> 01:05:30,283
And it's an easy sell, right?

713
01:05:30,763 --> 01:05:33,023
You know, you never have to sell your Bitcoin.

714
01:05:33,423 --> 01:05:34,783
Go and buy the Lambo.

715
01:05:34,963 --> 01:05:37,123
Go and buy the penthouse apartment.

716
01:05:37,443 --> 01:05:38,263
Go take the holiday.

717
01:05:38,463 --> 01:05:39,463
Go do whatever it is.

718
01:05:39,523 --> 01:05:40,283
Go build your Citadel.

719
01:05:40,283 --> 01:05:43,343
and you can live the life you've been envisioning

720
01:05:43,343 --> 01:05:44,963
and you can have it right now.

721
01:05:45,063 --> 01:05:47,023
It's very easy to sell that narrative.

722
01:05:47,603 --> 01:05:49,183
But if Bitcoin, the price of Bitcoin,

723
01:05:49,563 --> 01:05:51,883
if there's a fat finger flash crash

724
01:05:51,883 --> 01:05:54,583
on a Sunday night when you're asleep

725
01:05:54,583 --> 01:05:57,943
and Bitcoin drops $25,000, $30,000

726
01:05:57,943 --> 01:05:59,683
for four or five seconds

727
01:05:59,683 --> 01:06:01,103
and then just recovers,

728
01:06:01,923 --> 01:06:03,043
you're stopped out, man.

729
01:06:03,083 --> 01:06:03,883
Your Bitcoin's gone.

730
01:06:04,543 --> 01:06:07,003
So unless there's an insurance policy against that,

731
01:06:07,063 --> 01:06:08,703
but I don't think anybody could offer that.

732
01:06:08,703 --> 01:06:14,623
and yeah wall street can do this very easily like they are the masters of this shit

733
01:06:14,623 --> 01:06:22,803
they they all of the financial crises that we've had in the past and will ever have in the future

734
01:06:22,803 --> 01:06:30,523
are engineered the the stories of how they happened are just that stories it's like yeah

735
01:06:30,523 --> 01:06:35,143
some dude in the tech department like he pressed ctrl f and like he wasn't supposed to and that

736
01:06:35,143 --> 01:06:37,683
It crashed the price because it cleared all the stops out and blah, blah, blah.

737
01:06:37,883 --> 01:06:39,043
But everything's okay now.

738
01:06:39,463 --> 01:06:43,903
Meanwhile, your Bitcoin's gone because that, you know, it's, and where does it go?

739
01:06:44,303 --> 01:06:47,283
It gets swept up by the custodians, right?

740
01:06:47,343 --> 01:06:48,843
The people that are giving the fiat.

741
01:06:49,063 --> 01:06:52,763
So the people that are offering you the loans don't have the fiat to give you.

742
01:06:52,843 --> 01:06:54,503
So they've got to get the fiat from someone else.

743
01:06:54,543 --> 01:06:55,883
So where does the fiat come from?

744
01:06:55,943 --> 01:07:01,383
If I give my Bitcoin to XYZ company in exchange for fiat currency,

745
01:07:01,383 --> 01:07:05,583
they don't have hundreds of millions of dollars of fiat to give out to all the people that are

746
01:07:05,583 --> 01:07:09,643
coming in and using their service. So they've got liquidity providers in the background.

747
01:07:10,063 --> 01:07:14,283
They will have their own set of agreements with those liquidity providers. And it could be two,

748
01:07:14,403 --> 01:07:19,323
three, four, five or six liquidity providers. And they could be banks. They could be banks or

749
01:07:19,323 --> 01:07:26,223
prime brokers that have direct relationships with the Federal Reserve. And they literally could be

750
01:07:26,223 --> 01:07:30,863
printing fiat in the background. So you're giving up a Lordy title of your Bitcoin.

751
01:07:31,383 --> 01:07:33,843
for freshly printed counterfeit money,

752
01:07:34,163 --> 01:07:36,323
which you are then being charged usury on.

753
01:07:37,183 --> 01:07:38,663
And I've seen just recently,

754
01:07:39,083 --> 01:07:40,443
there's a new company come out.

755
01:07:41,103 --> 01:07:43,303
They offered seven and a half percent.

756
01:07:43,503 --> 01:07:46,903
So they undercut strike by like 50%.

757
01:07:46,903 --> 01:07:50,403
And now they've already cut from seven and a half percent to 5%.

758
01:07:50,403 --> 01:07:52,583
So the race to zero is already on.

759
01:07:52,763 --> 01:07:54,983
And there's only like three or four companies out there.

760
01:07:54,983 --> 01:07:57,783
And they're just trying to get as much Bitcoin

761
01:07:57,783 --> 01:07:59,883
into this honeypot as they can.

762
01:07:59,883 --> 01:08:09,863
um that's that's what i see it's when you describe it it it sounds like in it's i picture this like

763
01:08:09,863 --> 01:08:19,703
it's like like truly like for one the most like sinister and just outright like evil fiat like

764
01:08:19,703 --> 01:08:28,963
system mechanics at play and then like there's like this battle almost that's like it has like

765
01:08:28,963 --> 01:08:36,783
feelings of like some sort of holy war in a in a in some ways strangely you know or not strangely

766
01:08:36,783 --> 01:08:43,123
but like they want they're coming for the bitcoin and they're gonna come for it and and that's the

767
01:08:43,123 --> 01:08:51,303
most on the positive side bullish news ever is that the fiat you know the fiat masters the

768
01:08:51,303 --> 01:08:57,823
collectors are coming for your bitcoin and they're gonna do everything they can to try and get it

769
01:08:57,823 --> 01:09:02,383
from our icy cold diamond hands.

770
01:09:02,883 --> 01:09:03,223
Exactly.

771
01:09:03,523 --> 01:09:05,603
With all the way you describe it,

772
01:09:05,703 --> 01:09:09,063
with the allure of the britches in the Lambo.

773
01:09:09,263 --> 01:09:09,923
And it's crazy.

774
01:09:10,103 --> 01:09:12,363
And it's crazy because it's not a new trick.

775
01:09:12,483 --> 01:09:14,183
That's the same old trick they've been using

776
01:09:14,183 --> 01:09:18,963
for all of the stuff all along the way.

777
01:09:19,103 --> 01:09:22,043
They're just repackaging it in a new,

778
01:09:22,123 --> 01:09:22,963
the same old, you said it,

779
01:09:23,023 --> 01:09:25,903
the same old trickery repackaged stuff.

780
01:09:25,903 --> 01:09:31,643
there's a reason there's a reason bitstein wrote everybody's a scammer you know people people need

781
01:09:31,643 --> 01:09:37,523
to go back and revisit that i think it was 2014 he released that article uh and uh yeah i mean this

782
01:09:37,523 --> 01:09:43,883
has been the message for as long as i can remember like people will want your bitcoin and uh now wall

783
01:09:43,883 --> 01:09:50,223
street want it and uh they have the best that they have the best they have the advantage right

784
01:09:50,223 --> 01:09:55,503
because they have the headlines they have all the products they have the fiat to coax you and they

785
01:09:55,503 --> 01:10:00,803
have the stories and have the expertise. So my message to people is just sit on your hands,

786
01:10:00,923 --> 01:10:06,583
cold storage of Bitcoin, stay humble, stack sats and let all this kind of pass over us. But

787
01:10:06,583 --> 01:10:14,023
we should get back to the magazine because there's one thing here that I think definitely needs to

788
01:10:14,023 --> 01:10:20,683
be discussed. And that is, and I've had conversations with Fractal about this before,

789
01:10:20,683 --> 01:10:29,663
You know, artists, Bitcoin artists, it's a tough gig out there being an artist in any field.

790
01:10:30,043 --> 01:10:33,723
Like you don't meet many very rich artists.

791
01:10:34,563 --> 01:10:40,983
But Bitcoin is so niche and a lot of Bitcoiners want to, they don't want to spend their Bitcoin.

792
01:10:41,643 --> 01:10:48,003
And we had this rise of the NFTs, right, two or three years ago.

793
01:10:48,003 --> 01:10:57,163
where did you when you were looking at that were you did you originally think hmm this is a way now

794
01:10:57,163 --> 01:11:03,523
that i can monetize my art uh to make it more available to more people uh what what kind of

795
01:11:03,523 --> 01:11:08,503
what what thought processes were you going through and and wherever you landed and will you be having

796
01:11:08,503 --> 01:11:13,483
nfts in the in the magazines in the books what what's your thoughts

797
01:11:13,483 --> 01:11:24,223
so i think it was it must have been 2020 or 2021 and i i went on openc and i made a i made an account

798
01:11:24,223 --> 01:11:33,103
and i i made a piece of digital art it was like a little geometric jemmy thing um i should go look

799
01:11:33,103 --> 01:11:38,263
if i can see if i can find it but i i i don't know what it was but for some reason i just that

800
01:11:38,263 --> 01:11:43,123
was as far as I made it. And, and I didn't, I don't think I, I don't, I don't think I've,

801
01:11:43,223 --> 01:11:50,363
I've never sold an NFT. I don't think. And I don't know, for some reason, I just didn't do it.

802
01:11:50,363 --> 01:11:57,443
And it was, you know, shortly thereafter that I had the real aha moment, you know, and truly

803
01:11:57,443 --> 01:12:07,203
grokked Bitcoin and Bitcoin maximalism and like what Bitcoin actually is beyond the face value,

804
01:12:07,203 --> 01:12:13,323
you know or technical you know things which is a big thing currently with a lot of the contentious

805
01:12:13,323 --> 01:12:18,083
controversy in the space between core and knots is i think there's a lot of people that they don't

806
01:12:18,083 --> 01:12:23,983
understand bitcoin and they call themselves bitcoiners and they're in bitcoin and you can

807
01:12:23,983 --> 01:12:29,303
they can argue that they're bitcoiners all day long you know until their faces are red because

808
01:12:29,303 --> 01:12:35,423
they truly believe they're bitcoiners and they really understand technically the technicalities

809
01:12:35,423 --> 01:12:40,523
of how Bitcoin works on a computer science level.

810
01:12:40,523 --> 01:12:47,043
And they don't understand what Bitcoin is still at the end of the day.

811
01:12:47,043 --> 01:13:03,309
Somewhere along the way there I feel like I understood what Bitcoin was as to how it relates And it I think a systems like a systems management kind of perspective really Like there Bitcoin the technology there Bitcoin

812
01:13:03,429 --> 01:13:08,049
the money, there's Bitcoin, the philosophy, and there's Bitcoin, the culture, and there's Bitcoin,

813
01:13:08,229 --> 01:13:14,349
the economic, you know, unicorn that it is. And there's, there's, there's Bitcoin is many

814
01:13:14,349 --> 01:13:18,629
different things and has a lot of different effects on different things. And if you can

815
01:13:18,629 --> 01:13:26,989
see from an extremely high level view truly and have experienced how Bitcoin changes you.

816
01:13:26,989 --> 01:13:35,249
And you can visualize in your mind or picture how a Bitcoin standard can create a better world

817
01:13:35,249 --> 01:13:45,249
in all areas of life and has the potential for countries to create healthy food for their

818
01:13:45,249 --> 01:13:49,789
citizens to eat or for countries of people to create healthy food for themselves to eat

819
01:13:49,789 --> 01:13:56,429
and so forth. You know, it's a really kind of big picture thing that gets way, way out there. And,

820
01:13:56,509 --> 01:14:03,509
and so somewhere along the way, I just, I kind of saw, I saw it and I, I,

821
01:14:04,909 --> 01:14:11,129
NFTs just aren't it, you know, and it's interesting. Did I lose you there?

822
01:14:11,129 --> 01:14:18,989
no go ahead it's interesting being an artist and wanting to make money obviously and seeing the

823
01:14:18,989 --> 01:14:23,889
hype and i mean i was there i could have i have never made an ordinal or an inscription

824
01:14:23,889 --> 01:14:32,929
but i was there and i could have minted a sub 1000 ordinal probably sub 10k definitely

825
01:14:32,929 --> 01:14:39,269
you know um and i never did and i never got on any of the shit coin hype so

826
01:14:39,269 --> 01:14:46,809
you know and thankfully because i think at the the i think at the end of the day

827
01:14:46,809 --> 01:14:52,269
it comes back to the very first question you asked and that's what is art or what is art to me

828
01:14:52,269 --> 01:15:03,369
and an nft is not art it's a cryptographic hash in a computer and it's a digital signature

829
01:15:03,369 --> 01:15:11,289
but it's not the art itself no matter how they try and package it up and scheme it kind of similar to

830
01:15:11,289 --> 01:15:19,069
the loans and trad fi you know and it's a whole it's become a whole industry and i think that

831
01:15:19,069 --> 01:15:29,049
maybe if nfts had have been done like not completely so scammy or so overrun by scams

832
01:15:29,049 --> 01:15:34,489
they would have some merit because at the end of the day you know i make a print of my art and i

833
01:15:34,489 --> 01:15:40,289
sign it and i sell that to someone and it's a piece of paper well what's wrong with someone who

834
01:15:40,289 --> 01:15:48,929
in good honest in good honesty and in full knowing of what they're buying wants to buy just a jpeg

835
01:15:48,929 --> 01:15:53,489
of my art with a cryptographic hash attached to it like in and of itself it's not that

836
01:15:53,489 --> 01:16:02,909
sinister personally i don't think um but with all of the deception in the nft space and all of the

837
01:16:02,909 --> 01:16:09,189
scams and the vc money and the and the proposition of it being a speculative investment a monetary

838
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:15,549
investment which is a complete terrible like it's like that's like just an outright lie and it's

839
01:16:15,549 --> 01:16:21,009
just bad advice to sell someone they should buy a fucking jpeg with it or without a cryptographic

840
01:16:21,009 --> 01:16:27,289
cash that's a signature proving some sort of provenance to it as a good investment is it's

841
01:16:27,289 --> 01:16:33,129
obviously a bad idea go look at the price of 99.99% of the nfc's out there that were marketed as such

842
01:16:33,129 --> 01:16:37,449
are they up right now no they're not are they ever going to be up no they're not so i mean

843
01:16:37,449 --> 01:16:44,889
you know um i think that it it begs the question what is art and i think that art is the actual

844
01:16:44,889 --> 01:16:53,509
artwork and so making bitcoin art magazine we will not be featuring nfts we may still trying to

845
01:16:53,509 --> 01:16:57,809
work it out because this is extremely strange waters that i'm in right now you should see some

846
01:16:57,809 --> 01:17:07,529
of the dms i get um we may feature some rare pepes or some rare pepe artwork and we're featuring

847
01:17:07,529 --> 01:17:15,989
some artists that have made um nfts you can't really it's pretty hard to put together bitcoin

848
01:17:15,989 --> 01:17:22,029
there's you know i think maybe five or six of us oh maybe there's about 10 or 20 of us

849
01:17:22,029 --> 01:17:28,149
who are bitcoin artists who currently haven't or don't make who are like anti-nfts

850
01:17:28,149 --> 01:17:34,269
um so i could probably get out like an issue of the magazine or maybe two that was

851
01:17:34,269 --> 01:17:39,889
you know so and people are free and sovereign to do what they want and i think everybody's

852
01:17:39,889 --> 01:17:43,129
on their own journey most of us were shit corners at one point so i i hope that

853
01:17:43,129 --> 01:17:49,249
doing featuring just the artwork only and mainly focusing on physical art it'll encourage some of

854
01:17:49,249 --> 01:17:55,689
the artists to maybe not fuck around with nfts um but whatever everybody's you know free market

855
01:17:55,689 --> 01:18:00,649
and and you're sovereign to do what you want and distribute your art how you want i hope you do it

856
01:18:00,649 --> 01:18:01,349
in an ethical way.

857
01:18:03,769 --> 01:18:04,349
Where was I?

858
01:18:04,369 --> 01:18:04,909
What was I saying, though?

859
01:18:04,989 --> 01:18:07,889
I was saying that what is art?

860
01:18:08,029 --> 01:18:09,769
And I think that, like, you know,

861
01:18:09,969 --> 01:18:13,729
currently we don't have any digital art in the magazine.

862
01:18:14,209 --> 01:18:16,829
We have art that's been made with digital tools

863
01:18:16,829 --> 01:18:17,949
or the help of digital tools.

864
01:18:18,349 --> 01:18:20,309
And I've been kind of going back and forth a lot.

865
01:18:20,389 --> 01:18:22,149
Am I going to do digital art at all?

866
01:18:22,549 --> 01:18:23,489
And I think I will.

867
01:18:23,529 --> 01:18:24,829
I think I will do some digital art.

868
01:18:24,909 --> 01:18:26,409
There's some amazing digital art out there

869
01:18:26,409 --> 01:18:27,429
that's high proof of work.

870
01:18:27,429 --> 01:18:28,689
But I'm not going to feature.

871
01:18:29,189 --> 01:18:30,489
The article is not going to be about

872
01:18:30,489 --> 01:18:37,589
how this is an ordinal or this is a nft it's going to be based on the merit of the artwork itself um

873
01:18:37,589 --> 01:18:46,589
if it's only method of if the only way the artwork was distributed was as an nft i'm not sure what

874
01:18:46,589 --> 01:18:50,449
to do with that because i don't know how i feel about that so i haven't really decided that yet

875
01:18:50,449 --> 01:18:58,009
but um i i basically my current stance is the nft is not art i'm not going to highlight the nft

876
01:18:58,009 --> 01:19:02,869
because frankly i don't think it's an entirely ethical way to distribute artwork

877
01:19:02,869 --> 01:19:10,189
in part not because any specific artist is a scammer but because the entire space is so riddled

878
01:19:10,189 --> 01:19:17,869
with scams um it's been tainted by fucking shitty people so yes and that sucks for you or whatever

879
01:19:17,869 --> 01:19:23,369
but whatever i'm not putting it in my magazine um but like if your art's really cool i maybe will

880
01:19:23,369 --> 01:19:29,029
show your artwork for the merit based on the merit of the art itself if you made a beautiful piece of

881
01:19:29,029 --> 01:19:36,489
work and um so you know i'm still trying to figure it all out and i'm not exactly sure but i definitely

882
01:19:36,489 --> 01:19:44,089
don't like nfts and i can say pretty strongly we're not going to be featuring nfts the only ones that

883
01:19:44,089 --> 01:19:51,429
might get a little bit of leeway would be og counterparty tokens such as rare pepes and that's

884
01:19:51,429 --> 01:19:55,829
because for one, they are a very big part of Bitcoin art

885
01:19:55,829 --> 01:19:57,489
in the sense of there was a lot of artists

886
01:19:57,489 --> 01:20:00,989
who are making artwork that was Bitcoin-related art,

887
01:20:01,289 --> 01:20:03,429
like it or not, think it's total trash,

888
01:20:03,529 --> 01:20:06,389
hate the green frogs, you know, or not.

889
01:20:06,489 --> 01:20:10,129
There was people that were making art with Bitcoin themes

890
01:20:10,129 --> 01:20:14,589
and a lot of it during the rare Pepe

891
01:20:14,589 --> 01:20:16,889
and fake rare, you know, beginnings.

892
01:20:16,889 --> 01:20:25,709
and I do think that there is you know there is some there is some there's there's definitely

893
01:20:25,709 --> 01:20:31,729
some you know merit to that and that art that was created I'm at a bit of a con uh confliction of

894
01:20:31,729 --> 01:20:37,709
how how to feature it but I also think that there was some innovation that was happening then where

895
01:20:37,709 --> 01:20:44,709
it was actually uh like it was good intentioned like I genuinely believe that like most of the

896
01:20:44,709 --> 01:20:47,429
people in the rare Pepe space were acting out a good intention.

897
01:20:47,549 --> 01:20:48,689
These were not people that were like,

898
01:20:48,749 --> 01:20:50,609
oh, we're going to get VCs to like pump this shit.

899
01:20:50,749 --> 01:20:51,549
And if you go look at it,

900
01:20:51,589 --> 01:20:53,969
like I've never heard of someone getting scammed

901
01:20:53,969 --> 01:20:57,089
or like losing their money to like rare Pepe's

902
01:20:57,089 --> 01:20:59,169
and at least in any significance

903
01:20:59,169 --> 01:21:03,509
or by anybody else's coercion or, you know,

904
01:21:03,789 --> 01:21:05,769
stories of riches or something.

905
01:21:05,869 --> 01:21:07,869
It's like a very niche kind of underground thing.

906
01:21:08,309 --> 01:21:10,709
And they were respecting the protocol's limits

907
01:21:10,709 --> 01:21:14,469
that were in place, which was an 80 byte operaturn limit.

908
01:21:14,709 --> 01:21:24,869
So counterparty tokens were done within parameters that the network at large, both on a consensus level and a relay policy level, had agreed upon.

909
01:21:25,249 --> 01:21:33,089
So, you know, I don't think that Rare Pepe's and that some of the OG counterparty projects are terrible.

910
01:21:33,809 --> 01:21:35,129
I love some of the art myself.

911
01:21:35,469 --> 01:21:36,669
I don't collect them.

912
01:21:37,909 --> 01:21:41,529
But, you know, and I learned how counterparty works.

913
01:21:41,529 --> 01:21:45,229
I've made a couple of counter-party tokens when I first started doing Bitcoin art.

914
01:21:46,009 --> 01:21:47,769
I don't make them anymore.

915
01:21:49,709 --> 01:21:56,929
So that's probably the one area where I think that there was real innovation to some degree

916
01:21:56,929 --> 01:21:57,769
that was happening.

917
01:21:58,409 --> 01:22:07,869
And now 2021 NFT mainstream craze, all the garbage, don't need to even name any of it.

918
01:22:07,869 --> 01:22:36,789
And then you have ordinals and inscriptions that is, in my opinion, was a roundabout hacked way of injecting arbitrary data into the Bitcoin main chain that was not respecting, that did not respect, or was finding workarounds, the limits that were in place to protect the network as a monetary network.

919
01:22:36,789 --> 01:22:43,949
and prevent it from being a general dick butt arbitrary data storage network

920
01:22:43,949 --> 01:22:51,329
for any Joe Schmo to scheme up any fantastical fiat-brained wizardry

921
01:22:51,329 --> 01:22:54,209
to try and get gullible fools to give them their Bitcoin.

922
01:22:55,269 --> 01:22:59,269
That's what ordinals and inscriptions, you know, unfortunately is.

923
01:22:59,409 --> 01:23:01,809
Now, everybody, every artist who makes ordinals or inscriptions,

924
01:23:02,129 --> 01:23:04,989
I think that actually a lot of them are really great and amazing people

925
01:23:04,989 --> 01:23:07,449
and they make beautiful art or they're doing really interesting stuff,

926
01:23:07,449 --> 01:23:11,169
generative art that's actually being created with data from the blockchain.

927
01:23:11,529 --> 01:23:13,669
So there's like a bunch of cool stuff that's happening,

928
01:23:13,669 --> 01:23:18,009
but like the way that it's being stored or distributed,

929
01:23:18,329 --> 01:23:19,889
like that art doesn't need to be.

930
01:23:19,915 --> 01:23:28,355
on Bitcoin. You can make generative art that's... You could take a plotter and you could take data

931
01:23:28,355 --> 01:23:35,195
from the Bitcoin blockchain and you could plot artwork onto paper that's created from the Bitcoin

932
01:23:35,195 --> 01:23:43,495
blockchain. MLO, shout out to MLO, actually does stuff like this. And you don't need to store your

933
01:23:43,495 --> 01:23:51,475
art on the blockchain and on everybody else's nodes and i think that bitcoin in and of itself

934
01:23:51,475 --> 01:23:56,515
is a work of art that satoshi created it's a work of mathematical and cryptographic artwork

935
01:23:56,515 --> 01:24:03,275
it's a fucking digital cathedral that he created for all of our betterment and the betterment of

936
01:24:03,275 --> 01:24:10,515
humanity and you don't walk into a cathedral and draw on the walls you don't walk into the

937
01:24:10,515 --> 01:24:18,015
sistine chapel and spray paint on the ceiling like that would just be rude so i i you know i

938
01:24:18,015 --> 01:24:25,315
kind of think it's rude to scrawl and graffiti you know or or even paint your masterpiece on

939
01:24:25,315 --> 01:24:31,575
somebody else's masterpiece like go out in the world and create your art inspired by bitcoin and

940
01:24:31,575 --> 01:24:36,315
create art about bitcoin and you don't need to create it on bitcoin and the only reason you're

941
01:24:36,315 --> 01:24:42,955
doing that is because of some sort of speculative financial temptation that it's going to be worth

942
01:24:42,955 --> 01:24:51,335
more because of it which you know like 99 of it's not so you know it's yeah yeah it's weird it's

943
01:24:51,335 --> 01:24:56,695
funny you bring it's funny you bring up the uh the cathedral analogy because just recently in the uk

944
01:24:56,695 --> 01:25:03,275
canterbury cathedral uh ran i don't know some kind of street art project or something whereby

945
01:25:03,275 --> 01:25:12,035
they were projecting like street graffiti all around the inside.

946
01:25:12,355 --> 01:25:13,895
The backlash was huge.

947
01:25:14,995 --> 01:25:15,875
I can imagine.

948
01:25:16,135 --> 01:25:16,835
I would hope so.

949
01:25:17,655 --> 01:25:20,015
It was, yeah, big time.

950
01:25:20,875 --> 01:25:23,335
Everybody on the socials were, you know,

951
01:25:23,355 --> 01:25:24,895
what the hell are you doing?

952
01:25:24,975 --> 01:25:27,295
This is just absolutely ridiculous, disrespectful.

953
01:25:28,295 --> 01:25:30,595
This building that's been around since,

954
01:25:30,595 --> 01:25:34,595
I think they started building it in the late 1100s.

955
01:25:34,895 --> 01:25:38,355
And yeah, it's nice to see that that did get some backlash

956
01:25:38,355 --> 01:25:41,215
just from the general populace, you know.

957
01:25:41,355 --> 01:25:45,895
But the way that you use that description there on Bitcoin is great.

958
01:25:46,595 --> 01:25:51,295
So, I mean, that leads us nicely into the current topic of the day,

959
01:25:51,295 --> 01:25:57,955
the opsize wars or op return wars or knots versus core.

960
01:25:57,955 --> 01:26:03,075
or what's going to be interesting is you're soon going to have version 29 against version 30 i

961
01:26:03,075 --> 01:26:10,915
think like that that i think the whole fight moves um in house perhaps uh it's uh and now we have

962
01:26:10,915 --> 01:26:19,615
bib 444 which is hot on the uh the latest uh piece of uh news coming out on the wire here uh

963
01:26:19,615 --> 01:26:28,255
it's yeah it's a it's a big mess right now and it and it's uh you know it's so we got bitcoin

964
01:26:28,255 --> 01:26:33,935
treasury companies over in one area of bitcoin we have the bitcoin loan products over in another

965
01:26:33,935 --> 01:26:42,075
area we have this huge debate it's an unsettling time right now in bitcoin and i think a lot of it

966
01:26:42,075 --> 01:26:46,875
is done purposefully to divide the communities.

967
01:26:48,615 --> 01:26:52,575
But I know where all this is headed.

968
01:26:53,235 --> 01:26:55,815
What's your worries?

969
01:26:55,955 --> 01:26:56,695
What's your concerns?

970
01:26:57,055 --> 01:26:58,915
Where do you see this playing out?

971
01:26:59,935 --> 01:27:01,395
It's definitely scary.

972
01:27:01,955 --> 01:27:03,835
It's very, very unsettling.

973
01:27:04,735 --> 01:27:05,395
It's interesting.

974
01:27:05,875 --> 01:27:09,075
I definitely agree that there's...

975
01:27:09,075 --> 01:27:18,295
i i mean i i can only imagine that there's definitely bad actors you know

976
01:27:18,295 --> 01:27:24,535
in bitcoin trying to cause strife rife and divide um

977
01:27:24,535 --> 01:27:33,655
and they're doing a really good job of it and i i think it'd be naive of us to to believe that

978
01:27:33,655 --> 01:27:42,015
they weren't let's yes you know yes uh the two like uh it's not as if the the three letter agencies

979
01:27:42,015 --> 01:27:46,615
aren't aware of bitcoin it's not as if like we've already said here wall street aren't aware of

980
01:27:46,615 --> 01:27:54,615
bitcoin like the the big interests uh political interests as well globally are aware of bitcoin

981
01:27:54,615 --> 01:28:01,435
and this is you know some people say oh you're too much of a conspiracy theorist and i'm like

982
01:28:01,435 --> 01:28:07,775
what the hell like when did we stop thinking conspiratorially as bitcoiners like this this

983
01:28:07,775 --> 01:28:16,655
is kind of like how i was forged as a like we had to always be thinking you know four or five

984
01:28:16,655 --> 01:28:24,815
steps ahead of the game and being critical and untrusting uh yeah of certain narratives uh and

985
01:28:24,815 --> 01:28:35,875
i don't know it yeah that that's i i uh i was a conspiracy theorist long before i was a bitcoiner

986
01:28:35,875 --> 01:28:41,775
you know and it's funny that that's actually a funny one because a lot of the things in

987
01:28:41,775 --> 01:28:48,695
bitcoin that are good and positive being like a hippie child like we always ate organic food

988
01:28:48,695 --> 01:29:10,395
And like, you know, exercise was always healthy and big pharma was always bad. And so when I say hippie, very libertarian, classic liberal hippies, you know, so a lot of the but I think and I think a lot of people were who found Bitcoin were that way.

989
01:29:10,395 --> 01:29:16,155
we were already conspiracy theorists that might have that was a big reason we got into bitcoin

990
01:29:16,155 --> 01:29:22,015
so where did that go i i will say that for all of the unsettlingness of stuff that's happening

991
01:29:22,015 --> 01:29:33,595
i um i definitely am pro knots and i think that there is i think that there is i don't think

992
01:29:33,595 --> 01:29:39,495
there's clearly some there's like i don't know exactly how much but there's a lot of money that

993
01:29:39,495 --> 01:29:47,095
core gets that's from shit coiners straight up and that's not a conspiracy theory that's just a

994
01:29:47,095 --> 01:29:52,535
fact so there's definitely interests that are being influenced no matter how much anybody says

995
01:29:52,535 --> 01:30:00,215
they're not being influenced by xyz funder when someone gives you money you are inclined to make

996
01:30:00,215 --> 01:30:05,195
them happy to get more money that's just basic incentive we don't need to explain that that's

997
01:30:05,195 --> 01:30:10,475
another fact. So what's going on with Core? They're getting a lot of money from shitcoiners.

998
01:30:10,475 --> 01:30:15,535
Is everything that's happening over there in alignment with Bitcoin being the most pure,

999
01:30:15,715 --> 01:30:23,475
sound, strong, powerful, honey badger, apex asset store of value and medium of exchange on the

1000
01:30:23,475 --> 01:30:37,115
planet or is there some fiat schematic mechanic kind of influence being exerted towards you know

1001
01:30:37,115 --> 01:30:44,215
the development of what what is bitcoin going to be because it is a amorphous soft you know

1002
01:30:44,215 --> 01:30:49,275
open source software that could change into anything the only thing keeping bitcoin what it is

1003
01:30:49,275 --> 01:30:56,935
is the users of Bitcoin, the node runners and consensus rules. And all of that is created and

1004
01:30:56,935 --> 01:31:06,575
influenced and decisions are made as a group think hive mind or body of individuals as culture.

1005
01:31:06,575 --> 01:31:12,635
So culturally, what are you in alignment with? If Ethereum people could have their way,

1006
01:31:12,755 --> 01:31:18,855
they would have had smart contracts of ETH proportions on Bitcoin probably years ago.

1007
01:31:18,855 --> 01:31:33,915
Yes, that's actually a fact because Vitalik left Bitcoin to make Ethereum because the people that were running Bitcoin Core at that point in time didn't want to let him do the stuff that he wanted to do on Bitcoin because they knew that it was bad for Bitcoin.

1008
01:31:34,695 --> 01:31:37,075
So what's going on? I don't know.

1009
01:31:37,075 --> 01:31:59,435
But BIT44 I not entirely sure I think that Luke is a crazy individual but he has always come through for Bitcoin And there is not one single time that I been able to find or anybody been able to tell me about where he didn have Bitcoin as a sound form of money best interest at heart

1010
01:32:02,235 --> 01:32:04,915
So I'm definitely personally in the knots camp.

1011
01:32:05,115 --> 01:32:07,335
Anybody who follows me on Twitter probably knows that.

1012
01:32:07,915 --> 01:32:10,095
I also don't know what's going on.

1013
01:32:10,175 --> 01:32:10,995
It's all very scary.

1014
01:32:10,995 --> 01:32:29,415
I don't know who's right. And I don't think anybody actually does. But one thing I can say is that thanks to the amazingness and wonder of Bitcoin, I think it's a good thing that we're in some ways, at least at this divide, because it only I think can make Bitcoin stronger.

1015
01:32:29,415 --> 01:32:33,635
and things like client diversification are probably a good thing,

1016
01:32:33,995 --> 01:32:40,355
especially when it's clients that are at absolute opposite sides of an impasse with each other.

1017
01:32:40,695 --> 01:32:46,795
Because I don't think that anybody's ever going to get all of the Bitcoin developers to agree on one single thing.

1018
01:32:46,795 --> 01:32:53,395
And therefore, I don't think they'll ever pay them all off or be able to threaten them all into killing Bitcoin.

1019
01:32:53,955 --> 01:32:59,175
So if you're a newcomer to Bitcoin and you're listening to this and you're seeing everything going on,

1020
01:32:59,415 --> 01:33:02,675
I think that we're going to be just fine.

1021
01:33:04,075 --> 01:33:04,295
Yeah.

1022
01:33:05,295 --> 01:33:10,575
Like you're right about the VC money that floods in to fund developers,

1023
01:33:10,575 --> 01:33:13,495
but you've also got political class money as well.

1024
01:33:13,495 --> 01:33:18,215
Now, without a doubt, because of what's happened in the US,

1025
01:33:18,395 --> 01:33:24,395
you know, the Trump administration coming in and deregulization of the space,

1026
01:33:24,575 --> 01:33:28,215
which opens and people will be like, oh, yeah, free markets.

1027
01:33:28,215 --> 01:33:35,015
and like yeah i'm totally down with free markets but don't don't conflate don't confuse free markets

1028
01:33:35,015 --> 01:33:41,935
without right scams like you know if the president of a country comes in and starts deregulating a

1029
01:33:41,935 --> 01:33:49,115
whole sector and starts making shit tons of money on the back of it for his own family i.e. launching

1030
01:33:49,115 --> 01:33:56,055
his own coin and then the day later launching his wife's coin like a scam a scam's a fucking scam

1031
01:33:56,055 --> 01:34:02,375
free markets or not like you can't hide behind the argument of free markets if it's an outright

1032
01:34:02,375 --> 01:34:12,155
scam and there's a shit ton of that going on and there is uh their interests lie in scooping up as

1033
01:34:12,155 --> 01:34:18,475
much money as they possibly can whilst they have the power there in the u.s they're not political

1034
01:34:18,475 --> 01:34:25,335
people never were like you know nor was reagan go back in the day the dude was a freaking actor

1035
01:34:25,335 --> 01:34:39,055
He didn't care if he was going to be red or blue, left or right. He just wanted it in the game. Same with the Trump administration. So there's definitely political class money flowing through these channels at the moment.

1036
01:34:39,055 --> 01:35:05,015
And whether that's being thrown at developers to do certain things, or whether that is being thrown through Bitcoin treasury companies to reverse IPO shell companies into Bitcoin treasury companies to use them as vehicles to wash money through to be able to attract people's pension money that they think they're unable to utilize.

1037
01:35:05,015 --> 01:35:08,135
at the same time telling the story

1038
01:35:08,135 --> 01:35:11,735
that all of the trapped capital in the bond market

1039
01:35:11,735 --> 01:35:13,915
is now going to suddenly pivot to penny stocks.

1040
01:35:14,035 --> 01:35:16,195
You're like, guys, no, they're not.

1041
01:35:16,795 --> 01:35:19,195
It's just that is not going to happen.

1042
01:35:19,755 --> 01:35:23,915
But your 401ks and your SIPS in the UK

1043
01:35:23,915 --> 01:35:25,915
is low-hanging fruit.

1044
01:35:27,135 --> 01:35:28,355
Low-hanging fruit.

1045
01:35:28,895 --> 01:35:34,175
And obviously that doesn't come into the op-return debate,

1046
01:35:34,175 --> 01:35:39,915
But like there's so much going on and it's just so confusing and it's moving very, very quickly.

1047
01:35:40,515 --> 01:35:48,815
And when I look back to when I was just completely when I was a lurker on Twitter during the block size wars, trying to figure out what the hell was going on.

1048
01:35:49,115 --> 01:35:50,915
It was a very unsettling time.

1049
01:35:51,295 --> 01:35:54,095
It's hard to build conviction in these times.

1050
01:35:54,715 --> 01:35:56,935
And so if you are new, you might only be two years in.

1051
01:35:58,695 --> 01:36:00,035
You've got a target on your back.

1052
01:36:00,035 --> 01:36:04,635
Your Bitcoin has a very big target on its back.

1053
01:36:04,995 --> 01:36:12,255
And the best thing you can do is just sit on it and cold storage and keep adding to that stack.

1054
01:36:14,035 --> 01:36:24,815
Reading, listening, watching the YouTube channels, whatever it is, getting to the meetups in your local area, getting to conferences, listening to the panels.

1055
01:36:25,115 --> 01:36:26,175
You can't get to the conference.

1056
01:36:26,315 --> 01:36:27,835
They're generally live streamed.

1057
01:36:27,835 --> 01:36:28,895
Getting into the spaces.

1058
01:36:28,895 --> 01:36:36,035
this is the time to triple down your effort for you know on your education i would say

1059
01:36:36,035 --> 01:36:42,515
yeah absolutely and you don't have to run knots but whatever you do don't run core v30

1060
01:36:42,515 --> 01:36:49,995
so right um interesting you know you kind of had mentioned that v29 versus v30 it's going to be

1061
01:36:49,995 --> 01:36:55,315
really interesting to see kind of what happens there and how this how this next bit unfolds

1062
01:36:55,315 --> 01:37:03,975
but yeah it's um it's it's it's definitely a turbulent time to be releasing a bitcoin art

1063
01:37:03,975 --> 01:37:12,035
magazine uh and and trying to maintain good relations with bitcoin artists in the space at

1064
01:37:12,035 --> 01:37:21,015
large and not wanting to um shoot my business project of a magazine production in the foot

1065
01:37:21,015 --> 01:37:26,415
it because like that that's a whole sub niche right like you said earlier there's there's

1066
01:37:26,415 --> 01:37:32,095
sub niches of bitcoin and some topic of bitcoin is going to resonate with you and pull you in

1067
01:37:32,095 --> 01:37:37,895
further so within your niche of artists does that does that debate come up a lot like are people

1068
01:37:37,895 --> 01:37:46,155
looking at it and do you feel like uh have you even seen a piece of artwork yet dedicated to

1069
01:37:46,155 --> 01:37:51,595
because there will be is there going to be a piece of artwork dedicated to like this this debate

1070
01:37:51,595 --> 01:38:00,615
so i made a uh actually a hand painted actually i have it right here i i'm not going to grab it i

1071
01:38:00,615 --> 01:38:07,655
i haven't sold it yet i have hand i did a laser cut wood and then hand painted uh it was the first

1072
01:38:07,655 --> 01:38:16,035
block that ocean mining mined when they upgraded to not the i forget what it was but where they

1073
01:38:16,035 --> 01:38:23,315
fixed the data carrier size bug and they filtered all but one inscription so i i've i may have made

1074
01:38:23,315 --> 01:38:31,295
the first piece of art about it um there's a um yeah no it's it's i have a spaces coming up

1075
01:38:31,295 --> 01:38:38,215
i think it's on the third where i'm going to be talking with some digital ordinal artist

1076
01:38:38,215 --> 01:38:45,275
nft people a bit about it because i was getting a little bit of um there was some complaints

1077
01:38:45,275 --> 01:38:54,715
uh lodged or uh what do you call it uh you know spoken a set on twitter and and there was a claim

1078
01:38:54,715 --> 01:39:02,275
that not supporters aren't willing to engage in like open discussion or something and then

1079
01:39:02,275 --> 01:39:09,215
something about how can a bitcoin art magazine just ignore a big part of bitcoin art you know

1080
01:39:09,215 --> 01:39:16,215
aka ordinals and inscriptions and nfts in general and so i'm gonna i'm gonna go you know i was like

1081
01:39:16,215 --> 01:39:23,615
let's have a space let's talk about this because i am totally open to open discussion and i you know

1082
01:39:23,615 --> 01:39:27,535
i'm happy to talk about it and i want to talk about it because i'm still trying to figure it

1083
01:39:27,535 --> 01:39:32,335
all out myself too you know and i'm just taking one step at a time doing what i feel is right

1084
01:39:32,335 --> 01:39:43,095
but um there's you know overall i i'm have a good relationship with most of the artists in the space

1085
01:39:43,095 --> 01:39:52,595
uh i think that i kind of walk the razor's edge and and toe my toe the line well well enough or

1086
01:39:52,595 --> 01:39:58,215
something i don't know i am i'm really i'm really nice to everybody um for the most part i mean i

1087
01:39:58,215 --> 01:40:00,075
get a yell a little bit on Twitter, but

1088
01:40:00,075 --> 01:40:02,215
overall, I'm a really nice

1089
01:40:02,215 --> 01:40:03,055
person. I'm nice to people.

1090
01:40:04,895 --> 01:40:05,295
I

1091
01:40:05,295 --> 01:40:07,475
follow

1092
01:40:07,475 --> 01:40:22,394
a bunch of people that make NFTs I don know It interesting It a little tough at times because on the one hand I very like hardcore monetary maximalist like you know and on the other hand

1093
01:40:22,414 --> 01:40:24,414
I'm like, well, I like, like,

1094
01:40:24,454 --> 01:40:26,294
that's like a really cool piece of art you made. And like,

1095
01:40:26,314 --> 01:40:28,914
that's actually like a cool art project. Like, Oh, like, yeah,

1096
01:40:28,914 --> 01:40:33,114
but I like don't agree that you like felt like you needed to store it on the

1097
01:40:33,114 --> 01:40:36,954
Bitcoin network. But you know, I also like, don't want to be mean to you.

1098
01:40:36,954 --> 01:41:00,434
So it's a little interesting at times. Overall, though, I have a pretty good relationship with everybody. I think I am more or less respected by at least the physical Bitcoin art community. And I haven't been around. I'm not the most OG by any means at all, but I've been around long enough that I've built good relationships with people.

1099
01:41:00,434 --> 01:41:07,894
and you know so we'll see we'll see how it all goes you know but um it's been interesting that's

1100
01:41:07,894 --> 01:41:14,014
for sure all right man well where can people what's going to be the best place for for them to

1101
01:41:14,014 --> 01:41:21,074
engage uh whether that's twitter or nosta and where will you be showcasing physical art next

1102
01:41:21,074 --> 01:41:25,654
so so people might be able to you know grab themselves a ticket and get along and meet you

1103
01:41:25,654 --> 01:41:49,214
So think what you will of Shitcoin Magazine and the Shitcoin Conference. They host the largest Bitcoin art gallery in the world. And shout out as much as I disagree with him to Tommy. He's put it, curates the world's probably largest, as far as that I know, of Bitcoin art museum in Nashville at Bitcoin Magazine headquarters.

1104
01:41:49,214 --> 01:41:56,814
So I'll probably be at the Bitcoin conference unless there's like some serious conflict of interest of me promoting Bitcoin art magazine there.

1105
01:41:56,894 --> 01:42:01,454
Then I probably won't go. But that's that's nearer to me.

1106
01:42:01,774 --> 01:42:07,234
I would really like to make it out to Riga. That's a dream of mine this year.

1107
01:42:07,814 --> 01:42:10,274
And BTC Prague, of course.

1108
01:42:10,954 --> 01:42:18,514
So if if if, you know, I can sell enough magazines, my goal is to do a bunch of the big conferences this year.

1109
01:42:18,514 --> 01:42:23,654
and display my own artwork as well as have magazines and books for sale

1110
01:42:23,654 --> 01:42:27,394
and promote all of the artists that are in the magazine and the book.

1111
01:42:28,674 --> 01:42:31,494
I don't have anything on the calendar as of right now.

1112
01:42:31,494 --> 01:42:36,514
So the best place to talk to me is going to be on Twitter or Noster.

1113
01:42:37,214 --> 01:42:40,354
You can find me on Twitter at Osanoa underscore gold.

1114
01:42:40,974 --> 01:42:45,674
And you can find me on Noster at primal.net slash Osanoa.

1115
01:42:45,674 --> 01:42:53,914
and you can find Bitcoin Art Magazine on Twitter at Bitcoin Art Mag and you can find Bitcoin Art

1116
01:42:53,914 --> 01:43:01,274
Magazine on Noster at primal.net slash Bitcoin Art Magazine and all those socials to the magazine

1117
01:43:01,274 --> 01:43:07,274
are linked at BitcoinArtMagazine.com and my own website is SovereignRemnant.com and so the best

1118
01:43:07,274 --> 01:43:12,814
place to talk to me about anything at all maybe you've made some art that you want featured in

1119
01:43:12,814 --> 01:43:19,214
the magazine maybe you want to commission a piece of art from me maybe you have a good friend or

1120
01:43:19,214 --> 01:43:24,634
family member that should read the simplest bitcoin book ever written because it's in my

1121
01:43:24,634 --> 01:43:30,494
opinion the best bitcoin primer material out there and you can get a free download of that from

1122
01:43:30,494 --> 01:43:38,234
bitcoinartmagazine.com it's a little education tab up in our menu and you can also order the

1123
01:43:38,234 --> 01:43:43,154
physical copy of that book from the website but you can come and yell at me on twitter or nostr

1124
01:43:43,154 --> 01:43:50,754
or dm me or comment on something if the dms are closed and i will like i monitor everything pretty

1125
01:43:50,754 --> 01:43:58,214
good so follow the bitcoin art mag twitter we post a constant broadcast every day of all the

1126
01:43:58,214 --> 01:44:05,334
art in bitcoin from the artists that are featured in our magazine excellent well done mate and yes

1127
01:44:05,334 --> 01:44:07,914
go grab the book and if anybody

1128
01:44:07,914 --> 01:44:09,874
wants to go back and listen to

1129
01:44:09,874 --> 01:44:12,014
that episode I did with Kisa it's a great

1130
01:44:12,014 --> 01:44:13,614
episode to listen to

1131
01:44:13,614 --> 01:44:15,654
yeah shout out

1132
01:44:15,654 --> 01:44:17,154
and well done

1133
01:44:17,154 --> 01:44:19,794
really looking forward to seeing this

1134
01:44:19,794 --> 01:44:21,434
in the wild and

1135
01:44:21,434 --> 01:44:23,814
fingers crossed for you that everything

1136
01:44:23,814 --> 01:44:25,834
goes smoothly from this point on with

1137
01:44:25,834 --> 01:44:27,894
the print and the distribution and everything

1138
01:44:27,894 --> 01:44:29,334
so it's

1139
01:44:29,334 --> 01:44:31,314
a great project

1140
01:44:31,314 --> 01:44:33,474
congratulations for

1141
01:44:33,474 --> 01:44:34,234
for stepping up.

1142
01:44:34,774 --> 01:44:35,454
Thank you.

1143
01:44:35,694 --> 01:44:38,314
Thank you for having me on and thank you for writing a piece for the

1144
01:44:38,314 --> 01:44:38,694
magazine.

1145
01:44:39,114 --> 01:44:39,594
So,

1146
01:44:39,854 --> 01:44:40,234
you know,

1147
01:44:40,314 --> 01:44:41,154
anybody listening,

1148
01:44:41,534 --> 01:44:45,454
make sure you read Daniel's piece of writing in the beginning of the

1149
01:44:45,454 --> 01:44:45,874
magazine.

1150
01:44:45,874 --> 01:44:46,814
So he wrote,

1151
01:44:46,934 --> 01:44:47,934
he wrote a really special,

1152
01:44:48,034 --> 01:44:53,334
really sweet piece just about the intersection of Bitcoin and art.

1153
01:44:53,914 --> 01:44:54,434
I,

1154
01:44:54,534 --> 01:44:58,134
I noticed you've got some nice art on the wall behind you there.

1155
01:44:58,374 --> 01:44:58,554
Apex.

1156
01:44:58,834 --> 01:45:00,094
So you've got,

1157
01:45:00,354 --> 01:45:00,834
you've got,

1158
01:45:00,994 --> 01:45:01,054
is,

1159
01:45:01,114 --> 01:45:02,434
is the top one also apex?

1160
01:45:02,434 --> 01:45:09,854
yeah they're both okay okay i i know the bottom piece well but i but i couldn't i didn't fully

1161
01:45:09,854 --> 01:45:12,774
recognize the top one that's one of his older pieces yeah

1162
01:45:12,774 --> 01:45:24,774
oh that's amazing yeah yeah that's a i feel like that's one a little one of his like little bit

1163
01:45:24,774 --> 01:45:34,434
older pieces that's super sick dude um yeah i love uh love apex and um i was lucky enough to have

1164
01:45:34,434 --> 01:45:41,214
met him in uh the princess hotel in plucking again in uh in germany where he just passed me um a few

1165
01:45:41,214 --> 01:45:47,554
prints and i was like wow this is amazing so i got them uh i got them all as you can see i've got

1166
01:45:47,554 --> 01:45:54,334
three i'm looking at another another one up here uh his mortality died one um with uh the cathedral

1167
01:45:54,334 --> 01:46:07,014
kind of uh yeah that one is that's so good honestly all of his his artwork is so freaking

1168
01:46:07,014 --> 01:46:14,034
good i i love yeah i i he if anybody doesn't know about bitcoin apex you got to go check out

1169
01:46:14,034 --> 01:46:23,114
bitcoin apex art um he's uh he's his story is crazy he worked at i think he worked it was like

1170
01:46:23,114 --> 01:46:28,694
a supermarket chain in germany for like 10 years like i was like or it was something it was something

1171
01:46:28,694 --> 01:46:32,554
crazy like that and he was like i guess like i don't know what he did there but like you know

1172
01:46:32,554 --> 01:46:37,694
like like at a supermarket i think like you know like check out shelving stuff like like facing

1173
01:46:37,694 --> 01:46:43,894
items on a shelf kind of stuff at least that's what i imagine and then he he he like sold some

1174
01:46:43,894 --> 01:46:48,734
i guess some bitcoin art and then told his boss i'm gonna quit to make bitcoin art full time and

1175
01:46:48,734 --> 01:46:49,694
Now that's what he does.

1176
01:46:50,234 --> 01:46:51,814
With a pencil.

1177
01:46:52,434 --> 01:46:53,174
With a pencil.

1178
01:46:53,374 --> 01:46:55,454
One of the most proof of work level

1179
01:46:55,454 --> 01:46:57,414
Bitcoin artists out there.

1180
01:46:58,274 --> 01:47:00,074
You recognize the t-shirt?

1181
01:47:00,194 --> 01:47:01,054
I wore this.

1182
01:47:01,874 --> 01:47:02,774
Of course.

1183
01:47:02,774 --> 01:47:03,354
Of course.

1184
01:47:03,514 --> 01:47:04,734
We got to plug Madex.

1185
01:47:04,934 --> 01:47:05,454
Absolutely.

1186
01:47:06,434 --> 01:47:09,954
This is Madex's t-shirt for BTC Prague this year.

1187
01:47:10,814 --> 01:47:12,534
Oh, that's so freaking cool.

1188
01:47:12,754 --> 01:47:13,694
I don't know if you can see.

1189
01:47:13,874 --> 01:47:14,074
Yeah.

1190
01:47:15,334 --> 01:47:16,474
Oh, that's awesome.

1191
01:47:16,474 --> 01:47:19,174
Be careful wearing that shirt, though.

1192
01:47:19,274 --> 01:47:21,594
Don't wear it too much.

1193
01:47:22,154 --> 01:47:26,594
That shirt might want to frame it and put it on the wall kind of shirt.

1194
01:47:27,154 --> 01:47:27,754
Yeah, exactly.

1195
01:47:28,414 --> 01:47:30,234
It's very cool.

1196
01:47:30,434 --> 01:47:38,034
This art stuff, we will look back in many years to come and think, damn, bye.

1197
01:47:38,734 --> 01:47:40,314
And I think that's what I wrote in the piece.

1198
01:47:40,314 --> 01:47:45,534
I really look forward to the future generations looking back at the artwork now.

1199
01:47:45,534 --> 01:47:50,554
like what was going on back then what was what were they thinking this is why i asked about like

1200
01:47:50,554 --> 01:47:56,934
any opera turn artwork which you've already made because this will be studied right uh and um yeah

1201
01:47:56,934 --> 01:47:59,954
it's uh i wonder if there's any block size art

1202
01:47:59,954 --> 01:48:12,694
it's it's uh it's uh it's interesting because i feel there's we don't have really i mean there's

1203
01:48:12,694 --> 01:48:19,354
a couple of Bitcoin musicians out there, like shout out to Roger 9000. And what's her name?

1204
01:48:19,674 --> 01:48:24,354
I feel so bad. I can't remember. It's on the tip of my tongue. But she's super sick,

1205
01:48:24,354 --> 01:48:28,094
rapping about Bitcoin and stuff. Rare Skrilla, who's featured in the Bitcoin Art Magazine

1206
01:48:28,094 --> 01:48:44,674
and a super OG Rare Pepe artist fake Rare Pepe artist He actually been making Bitcoin music And I think he made a Bitcoin album back in 2014 So he made some super OG Bitcoin music But I feel like the Bitcoin movement

1207
01:48:44,674 --> 01:48:47,354
doesn't have a whole lot of rock stars as far as music.

1208
01:48:47,694 --> 01:48:50,954
But it does have a bunch of super sick visual artists

1209
01:48:50,954 --> 01:48:53,954
that have made a lot of work about it.

1210
01:48:53,954 --> 01:48:55,294
So it'll be really fascinating someday

1211
01:48:55,294 --> 01:48:56,134
for people to look back.

1212
01:48:56,314 --> 01:48:57,494
And shout out Shawmarie.

1213
01:48:57,614 --> 01:49:02,534
I like your little Shawmarie plushie on the shelf there.

1214
01:49:02,534 --> 01:49:09,774
yeah so we we've actually got uh charlotte she she we we've got in the bitcoin art magazine a

1215
01:49:09,774 --> 01:49:16,194
drawing from charlotte so no way yeah we have a in the back we have kids on the block and we have

1216
01:49:16,194 --> 01:49:24,494
a drawing from charlotte from chamarie and then sassy nakamoto um who is uh cory swan's daughter

1217
01:49:24,494 --> 01:49:31,254
so i've got a drawing from uh charlotte and sassy nakamoto they're the kids on the block for the

1218
01:49:31,254 --> 01:49:37,134
genesis edition so if you're yeah if lauren ever makes some bitcoin art let me know and we'll

1219
01:49:37,134 --> 01:49:42,894
feature it in the in the magazine that's amazing her friend did her friend uh she she's making uh

1220
01:49:42,894 --> 01:49:48,254
some some hand-drawn art and she sold a piece for like 100 bucks i think i don't know whatever it

1221
01:49:48,254 --> 01:49:54,414
was uh i don't want to pull numbers but she sold a piece of artwork at a bitcoin meetup we had in

1222
01:49:54,414 --> 01:50:01,234
bristol which was the first time joe brian ever gave his uh his his presentation of what's the

1223
01:50:01,234 --> 01:50:08,714
problem uh and a little yeah uh so yeah there's so much so much cool stuff going on uh so we should

1224
01:50:08,714 --> 01:50:14,714
leave on a positive note and just know that bitcoiners are out there building and uh everything's

1225
01:50:14,714 --> 01:50:20,214
gonna be fine uh look forward to uh just hang on to your stack that's what we can do and look

1226
01:50:20,214 --> 01:50:29,554
forward to the next 10 years don't buy any art as an investment i'm working against myself you

1227
01:50:29,554 --> 01:50:33,134
You should definitely buy Bitcoin Art Magazine because it'll probably be worth a lot of money someday.

1228
01:50:33,414 --> 01:50:33,994
No, I'm just kidding.

1229
01:50:34,154 --> 01:50:36,674
You shouldn't buy anything other than Bitcoin as an investment.

1230
01:50:37,274 --> 01:50:42,134
And definitely don't take any loans against your Bitcoin.

1231
01:50:42,274 --> 01:50:47,114
I'm going to take it from you, man, and not do that.

1232
01:50:47,114 --> 01:50:52,214
Because I saw that one recently that was talking about sub 7% or something.

1233
01:50:52,374 --> 01:50:52,734
I don't know.

1234
01:50:52,774 --> 01:50:54,494
All the terms sounded real good.

1235
01:50:54,634 --> 01:50:55,654
I was like, huh.

1236
01:50:55,874 --> 01:50:57,854
I'm like, this is going to be a thing.

1237
01:50:58,074 --> 01:50:59,474
That would be pretty cool.

1238
01:50:59,554 --> 01:51:01,334
You never have to sell your Bitcoin.

1239
01:51:01,514 --> 01:51:02,874
You just borrow against it.

1240
01:51:03,254 --> 01:51:04,594
This was like a week ago.

1241
01:51:04,974 --> 01:51:14,834
So yeah, there's a lot of really great, ferocious and amazing honey badgers out there all over the world.

1242
01:51:15,234 --> 01:51:24,134
Core or knots or whatever, we're all here for making the world a better place.

1243
01:51:24,134 --> 01:51:28,174
Well, all the good Bitcoiners are and we're out here.

1244
01:51:29,554 --> 01:51:31,134
100% mate

1245
01:51:31,134 --> 01:51:35,014
I do believe in a bright glowing orange future

1246
01:51:35,014 --> 01:51:36,274
so

1247
01:51:36,274 --> 01:51:38,134
perfect place to leave it

1248
01:51:38,134 --> 01:51:39,114
well thanks for coming on

1249
01:51:39,114 --> 01:51:41,134
and I'll let you go get some sleep

1250
01:51:41,134 --> 01:51:41,814
it's very late

1251
01:51:41,814 --> 01:51:43,274
or very early where you are

1252
01:51:43,274 --> 01:51:44,654
I'll catch you later

1253
01:51:44,654 --> 01:51:46,574
thank you for having me on

1254
01:51:46,574 --> 01:51:47,574
you're welcome

1255
01:51:47,574 --> 01:51:50,234
well there you go guys

1256
01:51:50,234 --> 01:51:53,114
thank you Asenoha for coming on the show

1257
01:51:53,114 --> 01:51:55,754
if you want to follow along with their journey

1258
01:51:55,754 --> 01:51:58,374
just follow on X or Noster

1259
01:51:58,374 --> 01:51:59,454
you go find it

1260
01:51:59,454 --> 01:52:05,014
It'll be in the show notes as well at Bitcoin Art Mag on X or Twitter.

1261
01:52:05,014 --> 01:52:13,954
If you still insist on calling it Twitter, I do most of the time or get to the website, Bitcoin Art Magazine dot com.

1262
01:52:14,614 --> 01:52:17,814
Honestly, it is something of pure beauty.

1263
01:52:17,814 --> 01:52:24,174
And I'm really looking forward to seeing it and feeling it in the wild.

1264
01:52:25,054 --> 01:52:26,694
So reach out to us and know how.

1265
01:52:26,694 --> 01:52:31,714
Find out if they're going to be getting along to any of the conferences next year as well.

1266
01:52:32,274 --> 01:52:33,694
Whether you'll be able to get...

1267
01:52:34,234 --> 01:52:37,494
There's a whole different line of prints that you can get.

1268
01:52:37,914 --> 01:52:38,994
We touched on this.

1269
01:52:39,774 --> 01:52:44,534
If you want the Patrons edition Bitcoin art, hardcover book.

1270
01:52:44,654 --> 01:52:47,734
Limited edition of 21 copies only in hardcover.

1271
01:52:48,614 --> 01:52:50,314
You can have the part with $2,100.

1272
01:52:50,914 --> 01:52:53,834
Obviously, you can go ahead and pay in Bitcoin.

1273
01:52:53,834 --> 01:53:00,054
and it looks as though on the website at the moment there's only two in stock so 19 have already gone

1274
01:53:00,054 --> 01:53:08,594
you can get another hardcover one of 121 the gold foil cover limited edition of 210 so they're

1275
01:53:08,594 --> 01:53:13,654
covering a lot of bases and i know there's a lot of collectors out there that are going to find this

1276
01:53:13,654 --> 01:53:19,134
really really interesting and like i said at the beginning of the show i'm really finding

1277
01:53:19,134 --> 01:53:26,534
a lot of inspiration through all of the art and artists that are coming out and and whether that

1278
01:53:26,534 --> 01:53:36,674
is physical artwork or whether that is a dance or whether that is the written word or whether that's

1279
01:53:36,674 --> 01:53:45,854
going to be some kind of theatrical play who knows where this leads what bitcoin does once you start

1280
01:53:45,854 --> 01:53:54,574
stacking and once you keep on learning about it it starts rewiring you back to what you were meant

1281
01:53:54,574 --> 01:54:05,174
to be after entering this realm or world uh that's what it does it returns you to you because you can

1282
01:54:05,174 --> 01:54:13,874
start cutting through all of the shit all of the fiat lies all of the negative energy around just

1283
01:54:13,874 --> 01:54:24,114
using fiat currency because you know a uh a philosophical look at you know what is a medium

1284
01:54:24,114 --> 01:54:30,174
exchange it's a way for us to communicate value to each other we are using a medium exchange that

1285
01:54:30,174 --> 01:54:35,514
we're forced to use in the first place which is backed by nothing like in fact it's backed by debt

1286
01:54:35,514 --> 01:54:43,074
it's backed by less than nothing it's backed by minus billions of dollars think about that like

1287
01:54:43,074 --> 01:54:51,094
The negative, crappy frequency energy attached to that bullshit

1288
01:54:51,094 --> 01:54:54,274
is what we are using to buy our goods and services

1289
01:54:54,274 --> 01:54:58,874
from people out there in the economic realm that are trying their hardest

1290
01:54:58,874 --> 01:55:04,334
just to build a business, just to keep food on their table and shelter over their heads.

1291
01:55:05,334 --> 01:55:06,554
Bitcoin fixes this.

1292
01:55:07,094 --> 01:55:11,134
And then Bitcoin, once you start grokking Bitcoin and preserving your wealth in Bitcoin,

1293
01:55:11,134 --> 01:55:21,534
the rewiring begins so if you're new here that sounds a lot like mumbo jumbo woo woo shit and

1294
01:55:21,534 --> 01:55:27,114
you would never have caught me saying those words even five years ago most likely but it creeps up

1295
01:55:27,114 --> 01:55:34,794
on you it certainly does and when you got guys like Casanova putting their heart minds souls and

1296
01:55:34,794 --> 01:55:43,754
energies into the different pieces of art like you can't help but get inspired by that and listening

1297
01:55:43,754 --> 01:55:50,174
to the stories of the artists so that's a great shill for bitcoin art magazine thank you so much

1298
01:55:50,174 --> 01:55:55,194
for coming on and for everything that you are doing for bitcoin asanoa i look forward to catching

1299
01:55:55,194 --> 01:56:03,174
up with you again one time soon uh finally uh to leave it on a high note get out there meet your

1300
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1302
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meatspace. You will not ever regret doing that. Shout out to Relay. Thank you so much for your

1303
01:56:22,854 --> 01:56:30,334
continued support. Well done on gaining your Mika license in Europe. That's R-E-L-A-I.ch

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1305
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and they will help you get your pensions moved across into bitcoin in a sensible manner they

1306
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will help you get your businesses set up to accept bitcoin as well bitbox.swiss forward slash bitten

1307
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for your signing device take control of your bitcoin and get over to paywithflash.com to make

1308
01:56:56,414 --> 01:57:01,954
sure that you can get yourself set up to accept bitcoin for your goods and services that's that

1309
01:57:01,954 --> 01:57:04,914
thank you so much for listening guys and i'll catch you on the next show