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Joining me today from El Salvador is Chimbera back on the show. Great to have you back brother
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all right we're recording guys we got lexi and uh huaman otherwise known as uh chimbera
and I said Roman in the French style
it should be Roman, shouldn't it?
I gotta roll the R with my tongue.
Je m'appelle
Roman, Roman.
We're multilingual
here.
Before we started, Chimbera
we were talking about when you last came on the show
and that was
the 1st of July
2021.
Wow.
Four years ago.
A long time ago, I used to be young and pink.
Now I'm heavy and old.
Yeah, and a dad.
We're going to need three episodes to cover everything that's happened between then and now.
Absolutely.
And the price of Bitcoin, what do you think?
Can you guys guess what it was?
1st of July 2021
because I price stamp each episode
I think it was around 15k
any idea Lexi
2021
1st July
20
33,250 dollars
wow
yeah
I think it was just a year prior that Chimber was saying,
Lexi, you have to get onto this thing, Bitcoin.
You need to learn more about it.
I think it was $3,000 just a year prior or something, right?
Yeah.
Man, and here we are today.
What, like 110?
And the funny thing is people are complaining now, Daniel.
Like, Bitcoin is just 110, you know?
Yeah.
Absolutely.
I'm too late.
And the people that have been in Bitcoin say, oh, man, like, why did this Bitcoin go so slow?
You know, it's so funny.
Exactly.
All right.
So, Lauren, what are you going to you're going to lead off the question.
So in 2021.
So, yeah.
Last time when Chimbera answered your first question, you would have been, yeah, 10.
Yeah.
She's she's a little bit taller now, mate, as you.
Yeah.
As you will find out.
Are you coming to Prague or are you coming to Riga?
No, yeah, this year I will not be in Prague, but Mike will go to Riga this year.
Okay, cool.
Yeah, we have so many things here in El Sabo and some family trips that it's going to be hard to go to all the Bitcoin conference.
I'm guessing for you guys it's the same.
and but we're gonna be in lugano i hope i will see i will see you guys there okay cool and we still
we still need to come to el salvador i was gonna say el salvador's next on our list isn't it
the list just keeps getting jumbled just getting longer longer and more jumbled yeah yeah there's
no it's no one two three four it's just a big jumbled mess of a list no 100 i think is
you gotta put it in the in your in your list and put a date you know or put a price in bitcoin i
don't know if they can reach out to this price we all go to all savannah you know but when you you
have the uh not a party the conference in november is that right adopting yeah adopting bitcoin
and then in january there is going to be the plan b forum in el sabbador so two opportunities choose
november or january yeah lauren still wants the purposes
do you remember chimbera telling you about the juices
we we did have some bitcoin racing we went to go and support bitcoin racing in silverstone at the
end of the the season the season before last and they hired an el salvadoran um hapusa stand to come
and give out refreshments yeah because they have the el salvador flag on the top of their car
and the embassy there, they closely support the team.
And they come across to El Salvador and race.
They race on the track there because I know El Salvador,
they love over there, they love their motorsports.
Who knew until Bitcoin Racing started a team?
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Good, cool guys.
I always enjoy when I saw them.
Yeah.
Okay, Lauren, questions?
What do you wish to see in the next 10 years in El Salvador?
And that's to both of you.
Yeah.
Why don't you answer that first?
You can go first.
What I want to see in El Salvador in the next 10 years.
Well, I think we're already seeing a lot of things that we were wishing, you know,
that happened in the past.
We're seeing our country racing, shining in many ways, leading the way in many aspects.
And I see now our people the Salvadorian people feeling proud for the first time about our country and dreaming having hope having the freedom
And this is, of course, thanks to President Bukele, that is a great leader and doing an amazing job for putting El Salvador in the map.
And so for me, in the next 10 years, I will love to see our country or that our people will not have to leave our country to looking for better opportunities, you know.
And we're already seeing that. But I think in the next year, El Salvador will be that country where you will be able to find a good job. You will be able to start your company. You will be able to have success.
you know, success. And, and that is for us, one of the biggest, which and, and, and dream,
you know, that our people will have already had, but I think it's, it's, it's in the process to
just getting better and better and better. And yeah, we don't, people will want to move to El
Salvador, you know, and it's already happening, right? Like we're already seeing like a lot of
Salvadorians that born in the USA looking to get back or Salvadorians that move to abroad,
abroad to the United States in particular, to coming back, investing in real estate,
buying a house, having a plan for retirement. You know, it's so beautiful when you see
Salvadorians that had 20, 30 years that they left. And for the first time, they're like, wow, we were
thinking that we're going to retire soon in the United States and we want to get back, you know.
And so that is beautiful. And I think, I hope El Salvador in 10 years will be that country that
will provide all these opportunities and dreams and hope for us, but also for people around the
world that we wanted to come and live here you know and lexi before before you respond perhaps
for a little bit of context if you wouldn't mind uh filling in for the listeners how long you've
been there while you were attracted to el salvador uh your relationship with uh roman and um what
you yeah ultimately what you're hoping for for the next 10 years yeah i've been in el salvador for
almost six years now. I came originally in 2019, in August of 2019. And I came just for a surf trip,
a solo surf trip, just for three days originally. And I stayed at Palo Verde here.
And I fell in love with the country even in just those three days, like what I experienced of it,
like the people. I came back again for three weeks in December of 2020. And that's when I met
Roman on the beach. He approached me on the beach. I was reading a book about,
I don't know, manifestation and here this guy sits next to me on the beach. And anyway,
long story short, however many years later, we have our business together. So we run our
business together. And obviously, we're also partners. So we have a one and a half year old
son. So a lot has changed in the last six years, both in terms of where the country is, but also
for us, you know, in our personal lives. And I think to speak, you know, Chimbera talked about
what he hopes to see in the next 10 years with the country at large, which I would echo.
I would say personally, you know, as somebody who has a growing family here,
I would love to see more services, options for education, hospitals on the coast.
This would be something, you know, that I would really love to see because, you know, we have a
son for us. We're trying to figure out what we're going to do for his education. And I would just
I would love to have closer access to those things here.
So I think that that's coming.
I would love to see continued collaboration, connections.
You know, we have a lot of clients that are starting businesses here,
and I'm really excited to see those services grow.
And everything that will happen in the next 10 years,
I think we're already seeing the foundation set.
So that would be my take.
All right. Very cool.
And any follow-up questions, Lauren?
not that i can think of right now no don't think so no okay cool well you can hang around if you
want or you gotta shoot off um i think i might go outside it's really nice and sunny okay
you'll get some rays sorry well that was a very that was a very good question so thank you
yeah exactly since moving back to england it's nice to sit out in the sun when you get it yeah
yeah lauren and i'm already told you this at the first time but i'm gonna say it
you gotta come here i know that's what i've been asking he says yeah we'll go we'll go like
Yeah, but will we actually?
It's not like I don't want to, you know.
You know what will be cool for you?
You can come and do like an internship with us here at Bitcoin Beach
and helping with education, helping with the kids, teaching Bitcoin.
We're going to have a conversation with your dad about that.
Oh, amazing.
Later.
That sounds very cool.
Learn some Spanish, learn how to surf.
Yeah, exactly.
your summer camp could be here
can they ride horses along the beach
we can do everything you want
it's possible here
Chimbera will always find a way
I'll tell you that
okay cool
thanks for your question
thank you for answering
bye bye
thank you
alright guys
let's get into it
Let's figure out what it is.
You mentioned the business, Lexi.
Do you want to go into what it is you guys have started and why?
Because an entrepreneur, by definition, sees a problem and tries to solve it.
So what did you see and what have you put in place to solve and help?
Yeah, maybe I'll give an introduction to our company.
And Chimber, I think it would be great for you to speak to how and why we started the company and a little bit of your, you know, how that sort of piggybacked on your involvement with Bitcoin Beach.
So, yeah, our company is Good Life El Salvador.
We started it four or five years ago.
I kind of forget.
Everything feels a little bit like a blur.
But we're a real estate company.
You know, we are traditional brokers here.
But the real estate market in El Salvador is really unique, right?
It's very different than in the United States or Canada.
And so we've developed some specific products and services to help our clients specifically
get to know the market here, get familiar with El Salvador, and advise them in the best
way possible based on their real estate goals.
So we're really excited because we opened up an office in El Vente a couple of months
ago.
That's where I'm actually sitting right now.
And our company has been growing.
I think we really have created, we've created a great brand, but we've created a lot of really strong relationships.
Like a lot of our clients have become close friends.
A lot of our clients are Bitcoiners.
So I feel like we're more of a family than just a transactional real estate brokerage, which is really special and a unique place to be.
So, yeah, that's a little bit about, you know, our company.
And Chimber, maybe you can speak to why and how we started it.
Yeah.
Yeah. As you know, Daniel, I'm one of the co-founder of Bitcoin Beach. And when Bitcoin
become a legal tender here in El Salvador, a lot of people start approaching me, like
asking for help, you know, and I have been helping friends even when I was even 14, 15 years. I
I remember like surfer friends that used to come here and say like, hey, I might want to buy something.
Help me find something.
So I even back in the days, I helped friends to, you know, find properties.
And there were families, right?
Families that have been here for 20 years now.
so but what i what we see is that all this interesting in real estate but the real estate
market here in el sabado is it's not like quite developing like lexi explaining and a lot of
people were taking advantage of that as well you know trying to sell properties with overpricers
like creating this expectation on people that those properties could be a good investment
for that price, for that higher price, you know, because if you're new to a country that you don't
know and you just see that expectation, right, it's easier to take advantage of that. But then
there is the real price, you know? And so, and you know, as a Bitcoiner, we hate third parts.
That's the reality. And I see real estate companies as a third part. But the mindset of a Bitcoiner
allowed us to create like a unique business model that,
okay, if Bitcoiners doesn't matter or they don't care to pay,
but you got to add value to the equation.
You got to like, if I'm going to pay you,
what is the value that I'm receiving in return?
You know, value for value, right?
and so that's where we we start like consulting with the some of the first clients you know like
what you wanted what's your dream here in El Salvador how it looked like for you to investing
in real estate what's your budget and we're gonna see what is available in the market probably what
you probably what you expect what you want probably don't even exist here in El Salvador you know
But we're going to make sure that it's the closest one and the best opportunity that you can find for your budget and the location and base it on your expectation and your dream about El Salvador.
And that had been really interesting, you know, and really like accepted by many clients like now are friends.
So we're investing with them and a lot of the clients have been, you know, feeling like, OK, this is not just like or this is another thing that came to my mind now.
Like a lot of clients call us and say, oh, what can I buy now?
Tell me what can I buy I ready and we like no you need to come here first You need to come and see how El Salvador look like you know and where is the best place for you to be And that kind of like okay yeah
thank you. I was super excited to do it, but I think this is right. You know, kind of guiding
people, educating people about the real estate market here in El Salvador and creating that
value and that relationship long-term relationship that our clients were like okay these guys don't
don't just want to sell me everything but they want me understanding and that i feel safe
constable and that i understand what i'm doing in el sabato you know and that's that's where we
have been focused and so far is so good you know so it sounds like a classic story uh a little gold
rush appears and people move in to take advantage of those that are looking to to relocate or just
purely invest and speculate uh so you get the cowboys come out and start just throwing random
numbers in the air possibly even selling the property multiple times and then disappearing
once commission has taken are they the kind of horror stories that you guys were hearing
100 yeah you actually you call them coyotes coyotes okay right so that that was and and even
even some people and in buying properties that didn't have titles you know like that that they
they just base it on you know it's about trust right real estate is about trust and it's a
like bitcoin it's about trust and i in some in some ways we have been feeling like
with this responsible of exciting but also responsible like if someone want investing
money in our country we should treat them in the best way you know it's about honesty it's about
principles, it's about values,
you know, and
that responsible, that
dream, you know,
when we started the project and we will see
Bitcoiners from all over the world
wanting to move here, it's also like
we got to make sure that
they come here and that they're
happy and that they buy
at the price that they deserve,
you know what I mean? And that
is the value that we
I will say funding
is the foundation of
for a company you know yeah i i totally get it i mean shouldering the responsibility of
because if it were not for bitcoin beach if it were not for that project el zonte would still be
unknown nobody would uh there wouldn't be bitcoiners in particular flocking down there
and uh there wouldn't be a real estate boon and
with that obviously comes challenges because so you create something and then the knock-on effect
is this but that knock-on effect is being manipulated by outsiders that are trying to
come in and make money off the of the back of that success which that doesn't that's that just
feels really icky so you know i'm glad that you you saw those people were any were there any horror
stories, Lexi, that you remember in particular for, you know, people from the US or even Europe
that are coming looking to buy and they just got the bad advice and, you know, money was lost?
I think, you know, I wouldn't say that I can speak to specific horror stories in that sense,
but I would say we have, because of the nature of the market here, we've had had experiences that
we've had to do a lot of problem solving, like creative thinking outside of the box, you know,
like, okay, for example, we've had a client come to us and say, Oh, I got wrapped up in this piece
of property, even something that we weren't maybe involved in, in, in the beginning. And we've been
able to, in a few cases, help them sort that out, right? So, so I think we've been able to add a lot
of value in that sense. And that's been that has been something that's happened a few times. And
then, like I said, even with clients or properties that we've worked on, I always say real estate is
a bit of an adventure we can do everything in our power to control the situation but sometimes
there's things that that are out of our control that come along and so um so we've had uh we've
had some you know six month long processes or things like this but we're always usually able
to find a solution okay and what's um but i i no no i i know a friend of mine that he he he bought
the property and and he he bought the property he give the money to the person that's selling the
property and then he was cleaning the property one day putting the fan around the property
and a car just stopped in front of the property saying like what are you doing in my property
you know that was like uh and it's a little bit funny because for me it's a little bit funny
because the guy that bought the property was even like a lawyer you know like my friend was a lawyer
but he but he like he was acting as a client you know he's like okay if he if if the seller is i
I trust this person, you know? And it was a big battle.
Like he went in court. Finally, they, they, he,
he fixed the issues, you know, they, they, they, they, they,
they find a solution, but it was a really bad experience for him, you know?
And I, when I saw those things, I'm like, like,
I'm like, no, why this is need to happen? You know, like, this is just like, honest, you know,
like making sure that, um, we do the due diligence, making sure that all lawyers do their work,
making sure that when our clients give money to, to, to the seller, we make sure a hundred percent
that the property is ready to be transferred to the new owners, you know, and his parties
have been involved, you know, with in the last years. And now it's, it's better, I will say.
Yeah. Well, and I think, you know, back, Chimbera's had more experiences like that than I have,
because I've only been here for, you know, six years. But I would say as the prices go up in
real estate, you get, you know, sophisticated buyers, you have to level up, right? So now we
are seeing the market mature. It's still not the same as US Canada. We don't have an MLS. We don't
have a lot of the same regulations, but buyers demand more. They want to have a really strong
understanding of what they need to do for the due diligence process, these kinds of things.
I think we're actually seeing less of what Chimbera mentioned happening years ago. We're
seeing now other agencies that also have professionalism. I think there's healthy
competition here, which is good for everybody. We collaborate with other agencies and you're seeing
less of this kind of thing happened.
But it's also, Daniel, it's also happened that there are a lot of people that thinking,
oh, there is not an MLS, there is not regulation on real estate.
I just can go in and do it my own, in my own, you know.
And then these are those people that many times get caught on something like that, you
know, because they, they met with someone, you know, when those deals look super appealing,
super good, you know, it's always like something, it can be something behind, you know, and
that's why we ask our clients like, hey, the excitement is good, but we gotta make sure
like we do the proper diligence, let's make our lawyers work, let's get this extra step,
you know and just making sure and i i can i can i i remember one of four um one of our
clients in the beginning he he moved here he lived here but i remember we find this
beachfront property for him and he was super exciting he was like this is where i'm looking
i want to move i want to move forward today i'm like nah let's wait let's let let let us go to
go to the mayor office. I'm going to go next week with the lawyer. I'm going to make sure that this
is, and I remember I went and I attended the meeting and then I get, I understand that the
property have a lot of issues, you know, that they have been trying to solve and that the seller was
not telling us, you know, all of this. And then it was, it was quite a difficult deal, you know,
but that didn't see, it have many things in the back, problems, issues that you will be dealing with.
And that for someone that is moving here, I was like, you're moving to El Saber to have all these type of issues, headaches,
and you're in the position that you can decide to buy in another place.
I'm like, I don't think so.
You're here for this.
And I remember having this conversation with our client and telling him like, man, we're not buying this property.
Like, we're not going to buy it.
And he's like, why?
I want it.
I want to do it.
And he didn't understand because he was like, how much was the price?
But for us, it was like, it was more than $300,000.
like the price of the property for us was a good commission you know and he didn't understand that
why we were renouncing to getting our commission you know and finally we convinced him to not buy
the property and that also put us in a better you know relationship in a better like uh trust you
know and he had been buying and purchasing everything with us since since since there you
No, but I think I'll, oh, can I add something?
Please do.
I think one thing, so Chimber is talking about the, you know,
the legal issues and some other things behind properties that you can find
here.
But I also think it's about being really honest about simple things.
For example, here in El Salvador,
a lot of the beaches are rocky in the rainy season.
So you can come here in the,
in the high season and everything looks totally sandy and beautiful.
And if you weren't honest with your clients saying, okay, so this is what it looks like now,
you need to know in the rainy season that there are rocks on the beach. And
these are things that I think a lot of people would leave out just to get the sale.
So I think all of these, like even small things like that are really important. And that's why we
try and make sure that we have the full story about a property that our clients are super
aware of what they're purchasing, not just on the legal side of it, but also on the lifestyle side.
do you find most people want that beachfront is that still kind of what they're they're really
coming for like the the pie-eyed bitcoiner that's living somewhere else and is sick of their
government and they see what's going on and oh if i invest then maybe i get a passport or a visa i
can remember what whether that changed now uh maybe we can touch on that um and that why they just keen to to like dive both feet in without really giving it too much extra thought um i think that people are interested in beachfront still
definitely uh there's there's high demand but now we're seeing people diversify a bit more
throughout the country because there's so many beautiful parts of el salvador so we have a lot
of people that are interested in coffee farms or being at higher altitudes where you know it's a
definitely have families relocating entirely they're looking at san salvador because they
want to put their kids in school we have people interested in more of an ocean view where they're
outside of the the tourist you know development they want to be close enough but you know right
outside so there's people looking at a lot of different options now not just oceanfront but i
do think initially that was like that's always where the interest builds right especially right
on the surf. And what about, obviously, there's pushback. Joe did a good kind of updated video of
life in El Salvador because he's been going a lot of times. And I know he's close with you guys at
Bitcoin Beach. Joe Nakamoto, shout out, does great work. And part of that video was saying,
you know, the concern could be that the locals are, you know, not too happy that the prices are
being pushed up and it's out of reach of the locals.
How does that look actually on the ground?
Is that an actual problem?
And how is that being addressed or even spoken about locally?
That is a good question.
And actually, it's one of the things that everyone worry about it, right?
That is developments bring good and bad.
but that is the sad and exciting story everywhere, you know?
And El Salvador is not different from there.
But the thing is, even with all the negative that you could find,
this is the best time that locals ever had in history,
in the history of El Salvador, you know?
So in some ways, it's a good problem to have, right?
because with developed came more opportunities, you know.
And of course, it's easy to put things out of context, you know,
because you've got to understand the history also of where we come from
and where we are now.
For example, I grew up here in El Sonte,
and the locals the locals that born in El Sante that owns beachfront properties are zero
you know like all the the locals that owns property from the highway to the beach were like
three four five maybe three maybe and so the story of El Sante was that much of the locals
were caretakers for the properties, you know,
because all these properties were owned by families from San Salvador
that have their second house here on the beach,
and they used to come on the weekend,
and then during the week the local family live in a beautiful place
that they have a place to live, they don't pay electricity,
they don't pay water, and plus they have a salary
because for being the caretaker, you know.
And back in the days, that was a good job.
You know, my grandfather did that for 60 years.
You know, the thing that changed that my grandfather, he could buy properties if he wanted.
But he didn't think, you know, on one day El Sante will be El Sante.
And so he didn't buy property.
My parents was hard for them.
And now for us, we couldn't buy beachfront properties, but we couldn't buy maybe in the first line across to the highway, you know.
And many families that now own property here in El Sonte are those families that see, okay, the opportunity to buy properties here for the locals already passed.
It's not now, you know, where how people try to like saying like, oh, the new projects that are happening in El Santa are not built for locals.
Like we knew it, but we knew it from many, many, many years.
You know, the opportunity for the locals were across to the highway, you know, and many locals have properties there.
So one of the things that is happening is with the tourism and more business and more hotels and the families, for instance, sold their properties here.
And then you want to say, hey, I don't need a caretaker anymore because this is going to be a hotel.
This is going to be a restaurant.
This is going to be an Airbnb.
be, you know, and those families are the ones that have been, let's say, getting in the middle,
you know, it happened to me, right, it happened to many of our friends that that's, that's having
the reality, sad reality, and it's, but for many families that have been also like a wake-up call
and say like, wow, if I don't change now things,
my kids, my next generations will have to go more back and back and back, you know?
So what I'm trying to say, Daniel, is like,
yes, Develop have been increasing the price in land.
It's happening.
But also have been bringing like a lot of opportunities, you know?
now the locals can work in and make a salary that allows,
allowed us to live here. You know what I mean?
And this is huge, you know,
and many times we always say this,
that a lot of time that complain about what's happening here now are,
are, are usually expats that used to live here,
that they used to go to work to Canada, to USA for three, four months.
And then they used to come back here and living here, surfing every day, don't do nothing.
And the price were really cheap, you know.
And now that Del Sante is changing, that change, the prices of living, the house, the rent, for example, is a problem.
And they say, now I cannot just go and work in there three months and be here.
I'm like, well, because that was a perfect lifestyle for you, but not for the locals.
You know what it means.
And, but it's a mix, you know, it's, of course, we all wish that develop, when develop came
are more integrating with the, with the need also what the community need, you know, more,
more sustainable.
That's, I think that's the word, more sustainable.
and
yeah I think that's why
many organizations
many
projects trying to support
and empower the locals
to have those opportunities
you know is one of the reasons why we
in Bitcoin Beach we're teaching
English, we're teaching computer classes
we have a scholarship
for college, we have
courses, different courses
and different areas, kind of like preparing the locals for, you know,
having better opportunities and having the skills and knowledge
to be part of what's happening.
Yeah, very cool.
So let's walk through a scenario.
Somebody has been there before, a Bitcoiner, has been to El Zante before,
fallen in love with it, taken the family back,
now is truly considering, hmm, maybe I should part with a little bit of my Bitcoin and invest
in a property and perhaps explore living over there six to nine months of the year or full time.
What would that process kind of look like on your end? Would I go to the website first and start
looking at viewing properties or have a call? Just talk us through so everybody's completely
you up to date on on what this looks like do you want me to take this yeah yeah okay uh and then
you can add on so i i'm i'm big on process process so this is a good question for me um
yeah so basically we always have a a consultation call and the first thing i always ask and chimber
asks is what are your real estate goals are you looking to relocate your family like you said in
this case, that would be the case. Are you looking for a vacation property? You want to spend half the
year here? What are your real estate goals in your most ideal scenario? So that's the first thing that
we talk about on that consultation call. And then it's really important to understand, have you been
to El Salvador before or have you not? Because, and in this case, this person has been here,
but it's really important for them to visit the country. That has to be number one, whether it's
for fun, adventure, just getting, you know, touring the country, um, or looking at real
estate from the get go.
But it's important for people to come here and see what El Salvador has to offer.
So this is going to, I don't mean to this, I don't mean for this to be a pitch, but this
is truly what we, what we would prescribe to these clients would say, listen, we have,
we have two options.
We have something called a private discovery tour trip, and we have something called a
group discovery trip.
And we created these to really introduce people to the real estate market specifically.
So even if you've been to El Salvador before, we would really recommend this.
The group trips are five days, all inclusive.
We rent a house here in El Zante and we do four full days of a deep dive into real estate.
So workshops with a lawyer, architect, civil engineer, accountant.
we go and look at real estate opportunities broadly, right?
We go and see like, here's an ocean view property.
Here's a development that's happening.
Here's some of the best gated communities.
And we do that in the area of El Zante,
but we also do that in San Salvador.
So we give a really holistic view.
Now we also do this in a private capacity.
So if somebody were to say,
hey, group thing doesn't really work for me.
I need to come on my own schedule.
I want to come with my family.
then we've also created private itineraries and and in that case for example we can go look at
schools or we can add in some things that maybe aren't included in the group so if somebody comes
here they love El Salvador they go back they're really thinking about relocating their family here
that is 100% what I would recommend that sounds cool that just sounds like a great holiday yeah
just to come and hang with you guys.
People love it.
People love it, Daniel,
because everyone is
interesting to understand what's
happening here in El Salvador, you know?
And a lot of people that are interesting
are moving here or investing here, you know, they don't want to come and feel depression of,
oh, I'm going to lose the time of these guys, but I'm not ready to buy. I don't know when I'm going
to be ready, but I still want to understand if El Salvador is for me, you know? So that,
those five days, the discovering trips allowed people to come without depression. It's a mix of
real estate fund, deep into the culture of El Salvador, networking with people that have been
investing here already or moving here already, you know, and give people this knowledge, these
connections, you know, that most of the people when they're when they're leave after these five
days, they say, now I understand. Now I want investing, but now I know what is for me, you know,
and that is beautiful when you see people like living and saying like guys thank you this is
what i was looking for the first step to come and understanding like how the system works how
uh where is everything located or people that are even worried they can find american food here
you know what i mean so how the health care system is or like families like schools or
how the layout of the country is
or back into your question,
like everyone,
oh no, I want my dream beachfront property.
But when they come here and they see,
well, actually El Saber is really small
that I can be just 20 minutes away from El Sante
and pay one third
what I'm going to pay in El Sante maybe.
And I'm happy because it's more cooler.
It's more like quiet.
But don't think people understand here in the ground, you know.
And it's beautiful.
Many, I will say, what is the percentage, actually, of these people that came that have been buying actually after the discovering trip?
I would say a good amount.
But, you know, it's not like, but it's not our goal necessarily with that to sell people.
I mean, of course, we want people to buy with us.
But like that is just to introduce people to what's happening here.
and i noticed as well i've just been uh clicking around uh on the site whilst you're just um
explaining what what you do you also have land for sale so that's another interesting thing for
for somebody to consider if they just wanted to buy the land and then build uh from new uh
the property that they actually you know want yeah no there's there's that's why that's why
that's why we always ask like in your ideal world you know what would be your real estate goals here
is it having your you know building your dream home from scratch because we have a lot of
opportunities here a lot of people have been interested in the pre-construction developments
because this the the supply in El Salvador didn't really catch up with the demand and so you know a
lot of people coming from the U.S. or Canada I mean that's a majority of our clients they're looking
for something that's newer modern construction maybe not not an older style home that you would
find in El Salvador so those have been really popular but yeah if somebody wanted to purchase
land we have larger pieces of land smaller there's there's a lot of actually subdivisions
where people could buy like a smaller plot as part of a larger project and still build from
scratch so during the trip we also that's why we have an architect civil engineer so people can have
their questions answered in that regard like what really would go into buying and building
and the developments uh they look very much like a condominium style uh layout totally yeah and
you know there's there's different kind of styles here you know like depending on the developer
that's doing the project so i have my preferences of which ones i i like um i would say bamboo is a
great great example of of builders there are developers who are doing very cool projects here
um but yeah there's there's different options and what are the prices like that's obviously
going to be on the forefront of most people's minds how much uh bitcoin are they going to have
to part with and does that tie in with some kind of visa or passport opportunity what what's the
the latest on that so prices prices vary dramatically very dramatically depending on
where in El Salvador El Zante is probably the most expensive and here I would say an average
price among all of the projects so I'm talking pre-construction development purely um around
four thousand dollars per square meter that's about four hundred dollars a square foot roughly
um but in in other parts of the country you can find options for for less than that
so that that will give people an idea of the pricing um but yeah go ahead no but no but we
see we see apartments for people that just want to know the number how much it costs oh yeah
no we see even here in el santa apartments started at 215 000 250 300 350 up to
i don't know a 900 000 for for uh you know like three bedroom yeah
but the other thing is you know like where do you where in the world can you buy oceanfront
property like that you know even for that price so i think yeah i think you know the prices are
are high i guess in some people's mind but um you're getting something right directly in front
of the ocean too a lot of times yeah and the and the new construction projects have been appealing
to many people is one is because it's bitcoin beach daniel it's like uh for a lot of bitcoiners
that have been like, this is the grand zero, right?
Like this place will go down in history
as being the grand zero for Bitcoin, right?
But it's also, Alessante always have been special,
even before Bitcoin, you know,
having this unique town,
this like little surfing town
where it's a perfect mix between expats and locals,
you know, community by, right?
not parties, not discos, no bars. And those are filters that a lot of families have been having
and also dreaming to have a property here in El Sonte, you know. So when those projects,
the condominiums project came out, a lot of people were just, they already had the decision,
you know, that they will buy something here. And it's really, really appealing to many people
because they're like, they come to enjoy it because a lot of families, a lot of people
that are investing here, it's a plan B for them, right? They already know they're not going to be
here full time, but they want to have a plan B. They want to come, enjoy it, close the door
and leave, you know, and next day the apartments start renting and generating like income, rental
incomes, that, that change when you have a house and you need to, you know, having a caretaker,
maybe dealing with the pool, dealing with the garden, dealing with all the headaches that is
having a house, you know, but if you never have been having a house on the beach, you will experience
that maintenance here, I think everywhere, it's just like, it's okay because also like here is like,
I don't know, like having, like, this is one of the things that people that live here,
you can allow yourself to have help, you know, like a guard or a pool guy, a maining guy,
it's not going to cost like, it's not that expensive compared to Europe or United States and Canada,
you know so but still headaches you know so when people say no i'm going with the condo because
for me that that fit perfect you know yeah 100 so and and is there still a scheme in place where
people can get some kind of golden visa for the uh go ahead lex no i just as as far as i'm aware
there's nothing investment like for example if you invest in real estate you know you're able to get
this type of visa um but there is a freedom visa i think that's still an option right
adopting bitcoin yeah the adopting bitcoin program still in place uh basically you you buy the
Salvadorian passport for a million dollars and then for investment you can what much of the people
does is that they create a company and you know you don't have to buy a property with an entity
but a lot of people go through that when they want to like you know get residence opening bank
accounts but what we do for for everyone that will listen or what we tell our clients like
what we do is like if you have a specific question because there are different type of visas that you
can apply for investments right retirement like moving here as an as a being as an investor you
know or you buy the passport so there are different ways what we do is that we're connecting them with
one of the lawyers that we work and they go really deep into what is the best type of visa for them to apply because it different for everyone So back to the properties where do you guys find them
Obviously, you have to have a steady stream of properties coming through
to have on offer for when people are coming to you for your services.
Who's listing the properties with you or the land?
Well, okay, one thing I'll say is that we do have our own listings.
We do direct with the seller, but we really focus on the client.
So when I'm saying, you know, helping, helping clients understand what they're looking for,
a lot of people will come to us.
They might see a property on our website and say, I'm interested in that.
Right.
We get on a, we get on a phone call and ultimately we go back to, okay, maybe you're interested
in that, but actually you'd be open to other opportunities.
And, and then once they, they come here, visit and have a specific understanding of,
of really what they want. Like, for example, okay, I know that I want a house in this gated
community in San Salvador, we have a Rolodex basically of contacts that we that we would
get in touch with to make sure that we're finding the right property that fits their needs. So a lot
of times it works in that way. But then, you know, yeah, I mean, we've been building our contact list
and there knows knows everybody here. So that's, you know, now people will actually come to us and
say, hey, I want to list my property in San Diego Beach, like, and, you know, we'll work
with them to do that. If it's, if we think it's something that we can genuinely, so.
Yeah, many, many times we call hunting, we go hunting for properties, you know, for
knowing what the, what the clients want, you know, but, and that including properties that
are enough for sale they're not in the market you know but if we know what the clients want in in
that area and budget is we go knocking doors and trying to find what is the best opportunities that
we can find there for that specific client right and but like lexi say it took two years to kind
of create a network that it feels so good when someone just show up to your office and say guys
I watch you or I have been followed you and I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm interesting on selling my
property. Can you help me? It's like a big release, you know? But we also, you know, we, we work with
other agents. We have, there are some other great agents, not just us, you know? And so, and each
agent has their own network. So I'll give you an example. We had an agent call us with a, that had
a, some sellers they were representing directly. And they said, Hey, we were going to sell the
house this this came this happened so you know we're putting it back on the market but not not
publicly so could you guys you know if you guys have any clients that might be interested in this
let us know and and we might have a buyer for that house so i think you know that's also a another way
is just working with other agents here yeah perfect all right is there anything i've missed
with regards to you know property and uh in el salvador what's the what's the current feel
um excitement i think people are still super excited about what's happening here i i always
like i say this but i still am totally shocked kind of every time we do a bitcoin transaction
how simple it is buying real estate with bitcoin like especially if both parties want to just do
like a wallet to wallet transaction so that's really cool to see happen um but yeah i think
there's i think there's still a lot of progress to be made here but it's it's it's an exciting
market and it's still a great you know place to invest so can if somebody wants to buy like 100
they can buy in bitcoin like you would sit in the middle and make that transaction or if it's just
yeah literally buyer to seller as well even if the you know the best transactions with bitcoin
are the ones where the buyer where the buyer wants to use bitcoin and the seller wants to
receive bitcoin but in the case where most oftentimes if we have one party who doesn't
want to receive bitcoin it's usually or want to transact with bitcoin it's usually the seller
in which case we have partners that we work with to make the transaction happen so if a buyer wants
to pay with bitcoin we usually can always make that happen for them very cool very very cool
okay all right well i'll move on and i'll move on daniel this is this is just adding something
is that we, as a Bitcoiner,
we know that nothing is better than Bitcoin, right?
Nothing will beat Bitcoin, you know, long term.
But it's also like what we're seeing now is like,
for example, a client of us just purchased a hotel here
in Surcey City 1 in the cost.
And he found a great solution, you know?
He borrowed money against his Bitcoin, you know?
I know it's a risky thing to do, but also there is now an opportunity.
And what we're seeing more is Bitcoiners trying to find that way, that no one want to really sell Bitcoin.
And this is another thing that we have been stopping some of our clients when they say like,
hey, I want to buy real estate, but I will sell my Bitcoin. I'm like, don't do that. Just wait,
maybe wait, and you will be able to at least sell less Bitcoin in the next few years. If it's not a
need that you have now, don't sell it. But it's an auction. I just want to mention it here because
I'm seeing more and more of this, you know, like companies providing like some loans opportunities
for people and using Bitcoin as a collateral.
Yeah, times are changing.
That is for sure.
But like you said,
people have to go in eyes wide open into that
because if they're loaning their Bitcoin out
and then getting fiat and then they buy the property,
but then the Bitcoin price changes
and then they get liquidated on that
and then they're holding like a big debt to repay
and the property and lost the Bitcoin.
So it's, yeah, early days in these markets.
It's like...
Just lost you, Roman.
Do I still have you, Lexi?
Yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, we just lost him there.
He'll come back in.
I'm sure he'll come back, yeah.
No, but this is also why I was going to say one of the reasons that pre-construction projects have been also really interesting for Bitcoiners is because there's usually a construction timeline.
So you lock in a certain price of the condo, but usually 50% of the payment isn't due until the apartments are finished.
So, for example, one of the projects here that's going to be done in the next six months, a lot of Bitcoiners used Bitcoin.
and now the price of Bitcoin is much higher
than when they originally bought into the project.
So that's been like an advantage.
Sorry, Trevor, you cut off.
Are you there?
Yeah.
Can you hear me now?
Yeah.
Yeah, now I forget what I was saying.
We were talking about how early it is to loan against your Bitcoin
and Lexi was just saying some of the properties
like the condos, for example, they go in stages.
So that's another thing to consider for if you're buying like a two or three bedroom apartment in a condo, you put X down now and then X down at a certain completion level.
That's usually how it works, isn't it? And then the final payment might be in 18 months time from now.
So if you're timing that nicely, yeah, you're paying less and less Bitcoin over time.
If you're timing that the other way around, you're...
Yeah, that's true.
I know, 100%.
And what I was completing, it was that it's a big risk,
but I'm seeing more and more Bitcoiners open to that.
But my personal advice is like,
if you're doing that with all the Bitcoin that you have, don't do it.
But a lot of people that are doing that,
they're doing with a small percentage of what they have and they feel comfortable that they
if they need to put more Bitcoin, add more Bitcoin to the collateral, they will be able to do it,
you know. But it's interesting because I remember just like two years ago, two, three years ago,
I was not in on the table, you know. Bitcoiners will say, no, I'm not selling my Bitcoin. I'm not
lending to anyone but now it's kind of like opening to to that you know and it's also like
you know like having a house i think uh i think in both ways i think you don't need a house
like i respect that that's that mindset that people say why you're gonna own a house you can
always rent it you know and i'm i i like that idea but i also feel like for a lot of clients
of us saying like hey i understand bitcoin is is the best investment but i need a house for my
family i i want that secure that my kids will have a place that they can call home you know and and i
i understand both side right yeah and it different for everybody uh and everybody on on their own journey obviously But are you able to help help people find long rentals as well If somebody wants to just come and live there for a year or two
and do the real deep dive, you can find rentals as well.
Yeah, actually, and that's something that we told people.
Some people already know that they're real estate investors
and they just want to be part of what's happening here in El Salvador
and they don't need time to thinking about it, you know,
because they're seeing from an investing perspective
because the market is going to grow, right?
The market in the USA is already high.
I don't know how much higher it will go,
but the market of El Salvador is just like getting up and up, up.
So a lot of people just come here.
They don't need time.
They're like, no, I prefer to have money in a piece of real estate in El Salvador
that haven't sitting in the bank or having a piece of real estate in the USA right now.
But for a lot of clients, families, we advise that.
We say, guys, if you're looking to relocate here, if you're looking to come and see,
you don't need to buy immediately.
Come and leave like six months.
Come here for a year, you know?
And then when you're ready, we're going to find exactly what you want, you know?
And in that case, we help.
We help families. We have been helping families to find long-term rentals.
It's an auction.
Low-time preference real estate agents.
This is what we need.
Again, Bitcoin touches a sector and just turns the whole ethos of that sector on its head.
because usually it's just smash, smash, smash,
get the sellers through the door,
get the buyers through the door,
just get everything,
grease the wheels as much as you can,
get that sign sealed and delivered
and get my commission by the end of the month
because I've got to meet my KPIs.
That's a real estate agent's life.
That's the hamster wheel.
And it's just so, it suits no one.
That's lose, lose, lose.
The seller loses, the buyer loses,
and the real estate agent loses their soul.
like that's awful and you know we hear this before from us that i i i we hear this from clients like
but why you don't push us to buy i mean it's like because you gotta be you gotta understand what
you're doing you know but well you're gonna be my neighbors i'm gonna you're gonna be my new
friends you're gonna like you know why would i you know give you ill advice because you're
imagine ruining your integrity and your reputation on just like pushing a commission sales deal
through like you don't but i will say i will say daniel when there is a good opportunity
now that you're going to miss out on we will push it we'll push it like when we get a new
development we know it's going to sell and we call our clients and we say listen you need to
secure this now the prices will go up the the top floor units will go then listen to us then listen
We have everyone that have been purchased through us or have been in the real estate discovering trip.
They go to the, we have something that we call the Good Life Club that basically are all the investors, people that we put all together in a group that they can meet each other, that they can talk about their journeys, you know.
And it's so beautiful to see people having access and getting engaging in the communication, you know, or the people saying like, hey, guys, I'm doing this in El Salvador.
Okay, I'm doing this.
How can I help?
You know, it's so beautiful to see that.
And that's where a lot of the good opportunities that Lex is talking, it goes to them first because it's a relationship, you know.
It's like we don't need to convince our clients that are part of the Good Life Club.
They already know El Salvador is a great opportunity to invest in.
They already have a sense of what is a good price or what is not a good price.
That is one of the things that many times I say,
and this is one of the questions that I get very often, and people love my answer.
It's like when they see a listing, they come to me and say,
Chimbera, what do you think about the price?
I'm like I'm like I think it's too high I think it's too high but you gotta you gotta understanding
that if that is what you want if that is the property in the cliff that you want if that is
the view that you want no one is making more properties like that you know those are like
bitcoin so you gotta make sure that you understand that but in the end of the day
is your decision.
I cannot tell you it is a good price.
To me, many times I tell my clients,
I think it's a little bit higher than what it is.
Or I advise them, I always say,
what will be your offer?
And they tell me like, I don't know, for a hundred.
I'm like, let's start with 350 and see what they say.
And many times we make our clients save money
because the seller will accepting a lower offer, you know?
But that is something that you need to work in
with someone that you trust, you know?
And that is like, I always say,
that's why it's like Bitcoin, you know?
You've got to hang out with the people that you trust
and you don't need to see your back all the time, you know?
And you bridge the language barrier as well.
And that's always an off-putting thing
for people that can't speak Spanish or read Spanish,
You know, you've got to sign documents and this, that and the other thing.
So that's always good to know that you've got somebody on the ground that is local and and also mixed with an expatriate view as well with with yours, Lexi.
So, yeah, it's kind of the perfect dream team.
But I'll wrap it up and ask you the final question.
And if you had one last orange pill left to give to somebody, who would you give it to and why?
that's a that's a that's a hard question
um you want to go like i can answer it okay okay i feel like i can answer in this way because
i would can i take the pill and i would i would i would i would chop it up and i would get it
give it to everybody on my team yeah it's your pill right like okay okay okay because you know
i don't know if that's cheating but i would like i think that it for me i want everybody on my team
like we have a growing team at good life and i really want everybody to truly understand
why bitcoin is important and how it can empower them you know and so for example if if somebody
is more interested in learning about bitcoin or would want to receive their salary in bitcoin
you know like that's that's something that that we would be totally open to and i i think we try and
give opportunities for people to learn more about bitcoin but for me i would love like
the whole good life team to really be orange filled that would be my answer
we already did it to my to my families i would it would have been my family but yeah
perfect jimbera yeah for me uh daniel i'm
I will give to all the people that were working in the communities, in the Bitcoin circular economies, that they understand Bitcoin before.
You know, I like this. I like Dorsey. Jack Dorsey is one of my biggest, like, big, like, you know, Bitcoiners like that. I really like in the way that he thinks, you know, that he say that he would love to see that poor people understanding Bitcoin before, before all the governments, before all the billionaires and millionaires, institutions that were
we're seeing now getting into Bitcoin because every time it's going to be more harder and harder
to, I'm talking for the people that never had access to nothing, right? And those are the people
that we dedicate time to educate every day and trying to, you know, bring, giving them that pill
because it's unneeded because the harder thing is that sometimes they don't see that they need it
And that's when they needed the moss, you know, so I will need many pills, you know.
I just want to say we had a meeting with somebody who came into our office in Salvadorian looking to sell some properties with us.
And it was really cool because he shared his personal story and why, without getting into too many details, basically realizing that Bitcoin is his life insurance policy, like for his kids and his family and how, you know, he really wants to, he would prefer, oh, he's open to, I mean, I think he would prefer Bitcoin for payment for the properties that they want to sell.
And it came from such a genuine experience of why Bitcoin became his life insurance policy.
And you could just tell that he really understood it, believed in it, and wanted to pass it down
to his children And that was super cool to see you know because he also didn get into Bitcoin until maybe about a year ago he said So that something that clearly came through Bitcoin adoption here in El Salvador and all the grassroots efforts of Bitcoin Beach
So, you know, I love to see those stories and hear people talk about Bitcoin in that way.
Yeah, very cool. Well, it's excellent what you're doing.
Well done for setting this up and helping people.
uh what's the best way for them to reach out and connect if somebody listening wants to you know
further this and and perhaps get out and meet you guys so all of our contact information is on our
website you can find us on x good life sv um you can find us on whatsapp telegram but yeah all of
our contact information is on our website so that's the easiest way to probably find out how to get in
touch all right excellent any closing thoughts from either of you before we shut it down
i would love to see you and your family here yes soon
i know brother i know i know i i think daniel what's happening here in osaba is really unique
it's uh it's uh really inspiring and i think people should come and see it you know either if
you don't we're looking to move or relocate because we understand alzabar is not for everyone
it will not be for everyone but it's a place to see at least once you know to understanding how
exciting sometimes things is and how that energy that you feel when things are moving forward to
through a better future you know when people in the street smile when you're talking with people
and the conversations are like hey i'm building this what are you doing how we can collaborate
you know in the bitcoin meetups like you know people getting exciting people talking about
everything and not being scared that I'm going to say something and I'm going to offend someone.
Here, El Saber is the place that you can have tough conversations. And there is always a line
of respect, you know, but we can experience that freedom, you know, and that I think is
what a lot of people feel exciting when they come here and, and, and liberate and say like,
what a
what a release
you know
let me enjoy
the sun
let me enjoy
the food
and these
you know
that
I also
saw many people
that came here
without
any expectation
but
El Salvador
got them
and never left
you know
or started
coming back
more often
you know
so
make your
make
make you a favor
come to
experience this
you know
yes
for sure and then you'll never leave and then you'll never leave yeah exactly
and and i'm pretty sure mike will be really happy that you can um use his podcast studio because it's
amazing you will love it i i'm very jealous of his podcast studio i i've watched uh many
interviews and yeah he's got a beautiful setup yeah he's done uh he's done very well i'm just
still uh a pleb you know in my uh in my spare room no you're and you know i think he's gonna
retire soon so we're we're gonna be looking for someone to to take over the podcast he he already
mentioned it to me like be ready i'm like i don't know i don't know that you know like i i i love to
do the other things but i don't think so i'm a good interviewing podcaster you know but you could
do a great job well thank you very much so if people want to find you it's goodlifeelsalvador.com
that's the website and i'll put it in the book yep i'll put it in the show notes for everybody
thanks for everything you're doing you guys and thank you so much for coming on the show and
giving up your time and um yeah helping bitcoiners when uh when they're looking for help the most
uh and that is moving countries you do i mean we've done that many times and to have a soft
landing is so key and especially if you've got people that you trust on the other side looking
out for you so you've you've definitely created something that there's going to be more and more
of a need for as more people get attracted to to the area and um and to your company so well done
thanks so much for having us this was a really great conversation okay thank you guys take care
Well, I hope you enjoyed that one.
Guys, please reach out to Chimbera and Lexi.
If you are going across to El Salvador, just to go check it out, just for a holiday.
If you're going to go and get to one of the conferences, there's going to be two in November.
There's AdoptinBitcoin that's going to be going on, which we talked about at the beginning
here.
There's another one going on in Berlin, which is another town in El Salvador that is uber
Bitcoin friendly. You've got a couple of Bitcoiners over there doing some great things,
great initiatives. And then you got the other one in January. So you've got some choices.
And another thing that crossed my mind, for those of you that are listening,
that live in countries where Bitcoiners are moving to your area, Paraguay, for example,
that is another country that's seen a lot of Bitcoiners attracted to. Madeira,
here in Europe, which is a small Portuguese island.
Another place, Costa Rica, Guatemala has a big Bitcoin community.
Consider reaching out to Lexi and Chimbera and just picking their brains.
Like, what do we need to do to set up the same kind of thing that you've set up?
Get collaborating because there's something there for sure, 100%.
And it could even be maybe you live near Bitcoin Park in Tennessee.
And Bitcoin is going through there all the time.
Or Austin.
People are going to visit Austin all the time.
Bitcoin Commons.
Is there somebody there that is offering that soft landing?
Like, here you go.
I'm here.
I can tell you the best places to rent.
You can rent here, there, and everywhere.
Maybe some in Bitcoin.
These are the best restaurants.
These are the best places that you can go and spend your Bitcoin.
Support these local businesses.
Meetups, you name it.
It's so important.
It just ups your travel game so much.
And this is what I love about Orange Pill App.
And this is why I shill the hell out of Orange Pill App.
Yes, I have been part of the team there with Mateo from pretty much the very beginning.
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They get to where they're headed to.
They could even be on a family holiday.
I've done this myself.
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And I can just sneak you a message,
say, listen, I'm going to have two hours free this afternoon.
Do you want to go grab a coffee?
And I get my Bitcoin fix.
you you guys i know you're in the car listening to this with your family and you're all probably
smiling right now or getting side-eyed by the wife like this is the best way and then you you
find out so much about the local area and all of a sudden you come back with all the best restaurant
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families and it's just great to see so yeah get it get into the link in the show notes orange pill
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check it out paywithflash.com i said at the beginning these guys have made something very
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Just go back and look for it.
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Thank you everybody for listening.
Really appreciate it.
Look forward to the next one.
Take care, stack safe, stay away from those treasuries
and self-custody your Bitcoin.