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Hello, everybody. My name is Daniel Prince, and I'm the host of the Once Bitten podcast.

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This is a podcast focused on Bitcoin. It's my mission to interview as many people as I can

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around the different aspects of Bitcoin and help people understand exactly what Bitcoin could mean

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for them and for their families and for their future. I hope you enjoy the show. Thank you so

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much for listening. Hello everybody and welcome to this episode of the Once Bitten podcast.

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A great episode lined up for you today. A perfect story of Bitcoin coming into the lives of two

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gentlemen and changing the way they think and changing absolutely everything about their

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careers well in the case of harry at least harry was in germany for many years in like the creative

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kind of media space uh born in stoke in england originally locked down back in england and then

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got across to mexico and ended up buying a coffee farm like you do in el salvador for bitcoin

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and Simon who fell down the coffee rabbit hole in Northern Ireland and just became absolutely

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obsessed with coffee the the whole process of coffee has his own roaster over there in Belfast

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and these two have come together to produce something to work together in the Bitcoin ethos

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to try and rescue or revivify a coffee farm in El Salvador

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in the best way that they possibly can.

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The interview takes place at the coffee farm.

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The lads were there and sat there right in front of the bushes,

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right up there in the jungle, and explaining the story.

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So I hope you like this one.

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I hope it inspires you as well.

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If you are at that point of trying to figure out what's your next step,

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maybe you've stacked for a cycle or two and you are ready for a life change i hope you find

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inspiration from this story reach out to myself or harry or simon i'll get you in touch with the

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guys uh if you're in or visiting belfast anytime soon go and visit simon the name of his coffee

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shop is root and branch coffee roasters and of course you can go and spend some sats there and

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support him as well. You can support Harry with La Cruz Coffee over on Geyser or even more fun if

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you're into your football. Harry is trying his best there to help the local football team. He's

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got the lads kitted out with the shirts and the boots and that's all happened via Geyser and

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donations from people around the world who are just trying to help those that they see engaging

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in worthy projects. So get over to Geyser and find Harry's project over there. Before we start,

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All right, we're recording. Harry and Simon, great to have you on the show.

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Hello. Thank you for having us.

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Yeah, good to be here. Thank you.

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Well, Lauren, what's your first question for the boy?

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Why did he start a coffee business?

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okay uh why did i start the business i well i finished my last uh project in the uk and it

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happened around the same time as me discovering bitcoin so i wanted to continue well i wanted to

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work in bitcoin and i vaguely decided similar to simon i think that i wanted to do something

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coffee related i was trying to make the two work uh because coffee as a business felt like something

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that i could incorporate bitcoin into quite well and coffee is also something i'm very passionate

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about um so i knew vaguely that i wanted to work in coffee but i didn't know really how to approach

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and that's when this opportunity came up to buy this farm and i thought what a good way to start

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so that's about it really for me how about you what got me into call i mean i've i'm a little

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bit older than harry i know it's hard to tell over the camera but i uh i uh my mom was a chef

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and she when when i was a kid we had a french press or a cafetiere which 40 years ago was largely

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unheard of nobody really knew what it was and she used to go out of her way to get these beans

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called Jamaica Blue Mountain coffee which I'm sure you've you've heard you certainly you've

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heard of it Daniel not nowadays you probably wouldn't cross the street in the world of

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specialty coffee but back then it was um it was desirable and reasonably hard to get

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so when I was at university in Aberdeen everybody used to come to descend on my apartment

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for uh for their coffee and I invariably just started making coffee for a lot of people so

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always had a bit of an interest in it drank it as a kid my nine-year-old and six-year-olds drink it

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amazingly knew the difference between a naturally processed and washed processed coffee

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and when i kind of looked into the coffee world i discovered that actually it's been pretty rapacious

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historically coffee farmers have done very poorly out of it because the person that really made the

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money was the person on the floor of the commodity exchange and frequently the somebody selling us

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chicken yeah the chicken salesman is coming past excuse the uh frequently the the cost of

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of production was higher than what it sold for so nobody was making any money out of it and uh

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and so root and branch the coffee company that i started was was really as the name would suggest

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we wanted to create root and branch change within an industry that was pretty significantly unjust

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and uh and and so that's that's it was a mix of wanting to know the chemistry about roasting coffee

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and then the commercial aspect of trying to create change in a in a fairly uh

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or ethically horrible industry business hope that answers your question it does thank you

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so just for the listeners uh chicken salesman uh did we've got a british and a scottish accent on

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the line here uh alfast northern irish oh damn it he tricked me by having me threw aberdeen in

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there i'm like okay i got that now but uh yeah right okay uh northern irish my apologies she's

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got salvadorian accent oh look little kid little kitten right okay so where are you guys because

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people are probably thinking what are they talking about chicken salesman we are in uzulutan

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El Salvador on my coffee farm

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and then we got guys selling

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chicken in the street down there

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coming around?

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running around the coffee farm?

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In fact, the first thing we did when Simon arrived

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was slaughter three chickens

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Yeah, it's three less now

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But a good meal nonetheless

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it was fantastic actually yeah it was a great day yeah we did a big cook out and uh it was a fun evening yeah so el salvador how on earth do you end up like so you said you harry you finished a project

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in the uk uh what was that project and how on earth did you end up finding that there was

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a coffee farm for sale in el salvador well the the project in it was in my hometown in stoke i'd

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been living in germany before that and i left uh just as the pandemic started um and went back to

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the uk to do a building project uh because i just wanted to i wanted to take the time to learn more

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practical skills because i've been working a lot in the creative industry and i'd kind of

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i felt a little bit like you know pathetic that i couldn't do xyz inside of a house uh especially

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given my dad's career is construction so it seemed like the great opportunity especially covid kind

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of played into our hands a little bit because we could both work together on this project so i did

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that for a few years but before that i was living in germany um so at the end of that project i was

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quite quite quite free you know i was quite open i could have gone i had nothing to tie me down at

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all i'd finished everything i'd sold up everything in germany i'd come back to stoke i never wanted

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to stay in stoke i just wanted really to be there for short term i started doing bitcoin meetups

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whilst i was there uh one because i was lonely two because i was obsessed with bitcoin so i started

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doing meetups uh so regularly regularly that it was basically once every every week at some point

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even though it was just two of us um and and through the meetup one of the guys one of the

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regular meetup attendees was working at a company called zebedee which is a bitcoin focused gaming

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company um christian working for him was a guy called prem so i don't know you know prem okay

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uh so it was it was prem who he all he knew maybe we'd spoken about it because he's coffee

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enthusiast as well he knew that i wanted to work in coffee because uh just after the project after

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after I sold the house, finished the project,

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I moved to Mexico to learn about coffee.

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I went to a coffee farm,

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did an intense course in coffee farming,

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did some barista training, some roastery training.

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And whilst I was there,

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I got a message from Prem saying,

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do you want to buy a coffee farm in El Salvador?

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That's all he said.

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He's a very direct, you know, Prem,

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he's a very direct kind of guy.

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And honestly, I saw the message and I thought,

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that sounds like a good idea.

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But I hadn't been to El Salvador.

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I didn't, obviously I'm a Bitcoinist, so you kind of want to get there, right?

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Because of what everyone says about it, Bitcoin country, X, Y, Z.

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And I was in Mexico, it's two hour flights away.

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I just thought, well, why not go and have a look?

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I was so free, I was so open.

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I mean, at least it was an excuse to go and visit El Salvador, right?

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That was my excuse to finally say, right, let's go there, see what it's all about, spend

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a bit of Bitcoin, and then probably don't buy the farm, because obviously you're not

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going to buy a coffee farm in El Salvador.

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I sent it to my dad.

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he was like showing it to all the guys i work with they say you'd be mad don't touch it with a

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barge pole um that's probably what inspired me to buy it in the end to be honest with you

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um but yeah i came and just fell in love with it i fell in love with the place and i saw a lot of

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opportunity here so i just went for it and now it's about two years down the line and now we have

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we have a little bit of infrastructure here it's a little bit more comfortable than it was when i

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first got here so yeah onwards in the woods so where simon where are you coming to the story here

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I had heard Harry on a podcast talking about it,

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and two of the great loves in my life are kind of,

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aside from my wife and kids, are Bitcoin and coffee.

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So it seemed like we had quite a lot in common from the get-go.

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So I just reached out to him and said,

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look, I have a coffee company, specialty coffee company in Northern Ireland,

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a roastery, we had cafes.

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You know, we just connected,

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and then Harry came over and hung out with me over at my place at the end of the summer.

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And we agreed that I would come out and spend a week or so here,

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just checking out what's going on and getting a bit of a tour around El Salvador

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from Harry and meeting some of his accomplices on this project.

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So that's kind of how that happened.

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And it's been a great few days.

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Arrived on Friday. I leave on Friday.

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It's been great to see the farm.

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it's even since harry was over at my house it's come on a lot so it's moving at pace and uh it's

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exciting you know i'm really i'm going to watch this space over the next few years to see how it

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just evolves and flourishes and develops as i've no doubt it will so is this the first time you've

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been out to the farm this is the first time i've been in el salvador never mind at the farm right

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so being obviously sourcing coffee in other countries but i haven't yet been to el salvador

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So, and again, it was, you know, being into Bitcoin, everybody's, I mean, even people that aren't into Bitcoin are talking about El Salvador. So it was sort of, I feel like it was imperative that I got out here to get boots on the ground as it were and see what actually is really going on because you see different perspectives and people that are a bit more into the politics and some of the sideshows associated with that.

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But one of the things I've really discovered here is people like Harry,

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they're less into the politics and more interested in just building

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and doing things, which is a far cry from back home

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because everybody, maybe unavoidably, is into politics at the minute

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because things are so bad out here.

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It's just optimism and hope and camaraderie.

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It's refreshing.

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Cool.

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Lauren, do you have any further questions before we carry on?

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Get geeky and stuff.

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Yeah, I have a question.

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I'm not sure if you do know, but you said you guys are really interested in coffee.

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So is there any health benefits behind coffee?

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I mean, it makes you work harder.

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That's good for your health.

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What about anything sort of?

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I mean, from a physiological perspective, Lauren, definitely.

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um it's known to be um anti-hypertensive um i mean it's got a lot of kind of positive side effects

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from drinking it so there's you know i used to it's anti-inflammatory it's anti-hypertensive it's

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uh you know but all things in moderation it's you know you drink too much of it then

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you can cause problems for yourself but uh i mean i work in it so i have to drink it a lot

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I can equally go away for a week and not drink it.

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So you just want to be careful with the doses, I suppose.

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Okay. Thank you.

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Thank you for your time.

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Thank you so much for answering my questions.

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Pleasure.

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Thank you.

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Yeah. Thank you, Lauren.

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Nice to meet you.

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Nice to meet you.

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So I guess we should get some origin stories out of the way,

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i.e. how you found Bitcoin, what it brought you to Bitcoin.

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What resources and what was resonating with you?

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Because I think these stories always resonate with a certain subset of listeners.

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They're like, what?

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Oh, my God.

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They were going through the same kind of stuff that I was going through.

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Harry, you said already that you were lonely.

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That's one of the biggest things that people talk about.

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Shout out for Club Orange at this point, because Club Orange has fixed being lonely.

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You can now join Club Orange and find Bitcoiners all over the world.

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There's almost 20,000 people there now that you can just directly DM and even voice message and even FaceTime style call now.

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So, you know, if you're not on board already, make sure you get on board and connect with people.

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Because, yeah, like you said, being lonely sucks.

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And if you're the only Bitcoiner in your town, what was it, Little Britain?

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You know, the only gay in the village, right?

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so how did you did you come across it then when when you were still in germany i mean how many

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like share whatever you're willing to share and uh what you the audience might be interested in

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in knowing well i was very dismissive actually at first i i discovered bitcoin

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quite a while ago uh never took the time to look into look deeply into it uh i think most people

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when they discover it, they don't immediately go into the weeds.

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And then living in Berlin, Germany, around – so Brexit happened in 2016.

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COVID happened 2020, 2019, 2020.

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In that period, Berlin changed a lot, and it became very techie.

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They went full on crypto, blockchain, you name it.

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Like the sort of the scammy end of the crypto spectrum, let's say.

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So a lot of the people I was working with,

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there's a lot of digital nomads,

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a lot of people working, building apps,

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a lot of people there working on blockchain technology.

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People kept talking about Ethereum.

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It was perhaps the most major city

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for that kind of stuff in Europe at the time, I think.

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So I was around it and people kept talking about it

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And I was really dismissive because I was there.

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I was working in the creative industry.

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So I was surrounded by artists, DJs, photographers, fashion designers, that kind of thing.

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So, you know, there's not much talk about hard money in that world, as you can imagine.

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And then the guys that were talking about it in the techie world, I was just like, you know, I'm just not interested.

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It sounds really boring to me.

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and then it really was during COVID,

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similarly with a lot of people,

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I had the time, I suppose,

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I had the time and it was just that moment

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where we had the spare time to do the research but also the money printers were going so fast that everyone had time to invest as well right so there was this sort of you know everyone just got obsessed

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with like where to invest like my friends were just talking about the next um what was it that

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was there was um before i discovered bitcoin there was um what's that stock that that went

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really high and there was like loads of shorts on it they made a film game stop yeah all of that

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caught my attention that was really exciting i thought uh because they were bankrupting hedge

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funds and i thought that was fantastic so it was kind of like looking at all of that and seeing all

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the energy and also like what a community can do right in in the face of the establishment let's say

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and through all of that you know i found bitcoin i found crypto that sort of quickly figured out

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that a lot of that is a scam and then settled on on bitcoin after doing a hell of a lot of research

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and then when i got to the point of understanding it and like loving it kind of being obsessed with

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it uh there was no one to talk to about it all my friends were definitely not interested in fact

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my best friend i remember i remind him about this all the time he said you'll never be able to buy

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a coffee with bitcoin well look where we are um so i started doing meetups in stoke on trends

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and it was great because people came not many people the first one we had about ace and then

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we sort of whittled it down so there was about three or four of us i was always doing it organizing

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it and usually there was two or three of us and it was weekly so uh from from that as you know

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the the big networking uh if you want to call it that in bitcoin happens real real fast because

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you're all on the same page at least in one regard and just by starting that meetup that

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it just sort of triggered a chain reaction which ultimately led to me having this opportunity

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and then well now yeah i feel i feel very well connected in the bitcoin world i've met a lot of

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great people in in different countries even um and yeah yeah that's that's that's basically how i

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got into this position and the meetups were were instrumental in that for sure.

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Simon?

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I mean pretty pretty much similar time to Harry I got involved in it I mean it had been

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pitched to me years before that but I was building a house that didn't have any excess

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money to put into whatever this newfangled idea was. I knew much to the pity but I

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I think I found myself in 2020 with a company where we had money on our balance sheet.

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And my background was genetic engineering.

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So I've been quite alive to what was going on during COVID and following that quite closely and not necessarily buying much of it.

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And it was after that I started thinking more deeply about finance and money.

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and hang on a second, if this much money is being printed,

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where are we going to be in a year or two years' time?

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I'd actually been in correspondence with our first minister at the time

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in Northern Ireland, Arlene Foster, her name is.

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And they were handing out these £100 cards to every household.

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So after writing to her about COVID and what I was seeing,

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which she was largely agreeing with until one weekend,

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she did a complete bold face and somebody leaned on her.

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I just said, look, I understand the motivation to give every household £100, but the inflationary

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effects of this will be significant. Of course, there was a whole section and it was posted on

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social media and it was a bit of a witch hunt for me because I was trying to deprive people of

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getting free money. But when you understand the mechanics of money and where this all leads to,

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so for me, it was a case of, well, I want to save and preserve my company. So I'm going to take some

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of the money that's on our balance sheet and put it into Bitcoin. And then continue to do that at

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quite a rapid pace, too rapid a pace for my accountant to be comfortable. And so we've been

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running the Bitcoin treasury play for five years. And then all the team, their pensions are all paid

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in Bitcoin. And we accept Bitcoin on our espresso bar and also with wholesale, but very few of our

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wholesale clients pay in it. So that's kind of my backstory in it. And then set up the NI Bitcoin

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meetups which initially we had about 50 people coming to that were you know pretty um very

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educational like we do an evening on the you know the bank of international settlements an evening

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on running node and stuff like i've since backed away from that but uh so that's kind of my backstory

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with it daniel right so did you buy the farm with bitcoin or with fiat bitcoin

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that's such a chad move

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oh okay so

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how who i mean this story like you know is so classic like prem just sends you a text yo do

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you want to buy a coffee farm in upsell you jump on a flight you're like yeah i do and

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like uh where do i send the bitcoin let me he just found he found me at the exact right moment

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in my life you know it was just one of those one of those fortuitous things because it

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I would have said no at any other point in my life, obviously.

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I just happened to be in Mexico, happened to be obviously a Bitcoiner, and happened to be looking to work in coffee.

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So it was just the perfect timing.

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And I had time as well.

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I just finished this project in the UK.

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I was learning Spanish.

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I was learning about coffee.

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But I was just sort of pottering about.

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And I really wanted to sink my teeth into a new project.

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Something big and adventurous I wanted.

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and that's what this provided for me.

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So paint us the picture.

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Like you turn up, you're in, I mean,

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so you obviously land into San Salvador.

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How far away is the coffee plantation?

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I mean, was it in a good state?

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How long has this been established?

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So it's next to Berlin,

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which is the foremost Bitcoin circle economy in El Salvador.

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and I think the world, one of, 160 merchants accept Bitcoin here.

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And that's just what's recorded.

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There's plenty of people that accept it.

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If you say, will you accept it, they'll get the app and they'll accept it.

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So you can just do everything with Bitcoin here.

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It's about three hours from San Salvador, a couple of hours from the airport.

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so that's not too bad but the roads are pretty hairy i mean you know you've got a you've got to

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be a courageous kind of driver and and and uh you're going to be quite brave on those roads

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getting from a to b it's yeah it's not like back home where you can just flick a podcast or an

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audiobook on and just chill out and use that as your downtime between work and home it's you're

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with like harry harry does a lot of driving i've noticed and you've got to be on it all the time so

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it's pretty pretty tiring it's tiring yeah it's it's what what i like to call active driving like

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you you have to be constantly checking you know because you've got bikes there's bikes everywhere

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a lot of people have bikes and they come in and out so you've got to always have your wits about

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you and if you ever want to get into the traffic no one will let you in until you really force your

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way in and a couple of weeks ago i tried it on a big lorry and he just crashed into me you know

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and i was just like i i because i got you see if you make eye contact and you put your hand up it's

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like that's your cue to go in and he was just like nope so i was like okay fine um when i got here

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basically it was an abandoned coffee farm so it used to be a coffee farm so there are coffee plants

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here from when it was productive but it had been abandoned by the time i came here for about

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10 years um and this this is sort of the third iteration of the farm i think it was it was a

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a productive farm back in the day i don't know let's talk 30 40 years ago something like that

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um and then it and then and then i think it changed hands or the owner left el salvador to

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live in the usa a lot of landowners here moved to the usa because of the violence because of the war

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the the civil war uh and then the gang involvement and then i think about 10 years ago from the usa

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he planted more plants and tried to manage it remotely and just it didn't work out so just

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abandoned it basically so there's no facilities no no infrastructure no roads uh very overgrown

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the coffee plants weren't producing because there's just so many weeds and vines and trees

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that were growing all over it there's no water source no electricity source obviously no internet

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it nothing so i just turned up and slept in my truck and just went from there then i got a tent

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well i had a hammock after that and then tent spent six months in a tent whilst i was building this

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which is guest houses but i'm going to be what i'm going to build another house and these will

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be my guest houses but right now i'm here in sort of interim period uh with my neighbor alias who's

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over there making a fire he was here when i bought it so we just kind of just kind of hang out now

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it's so classic how did you build it like you're just alone or you get some help in

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no there was thankfully so prem found when prem was here visiting he was living in an airbnb

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that was managed by miguel um who knows this area really well and by pam was talking about

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buying this coffee farm la cruz by the uh some in san francisco and miguel was like well i know

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this area really well.

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And he started to ask more questions

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and Prem found out that he'd just lost a job

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and his skillset is basically managing coffee farms So he was looking for work and we were looking for obviously someone to manage the coffee farm So straight away just got him involved

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And he's been around ever since.

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So at the beginning, everything was sort of going through Miguel.

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You know, I didn't have any contacts.

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I didn't know anybody in the whole country when I first came.

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So Miguel was very instrumental in helping to find work for us,

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helping to guide the project as well,

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because despite having done some, you know,

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having been to a briefly studying coffee agriculture,

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it's still obviously growing coffee.

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You're going to five, ten years, you're still not going to know everything.

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So I was leaning on him a lot for advice.

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And as I slowly got to know more people in the country,

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it's a very small country, so you can whiz about,

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you can get to know a lot of people.

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And I was traveling to farms constantly, meeting new people,

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trying to build up more knowledge asking for advice on this on that getting interesting thing

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as well about coffee growing is that like people who've been in the business for many years will

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give you contrasting advice you know there's many different ways to do it so i'm getting all this

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advice from different areas and just trying to find my own path you know and miguel was a big

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part of that um especially to begin with so yeah that's that's how it all got started really and

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And now, having started with, well, just me and then Miguel

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and the workers that Miguel brought here,

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and Elias, who's still here building a fire.

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Now we have two people living on the farm, working full-time.

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There's a builder here as well from Newcastle, also a Bitcoin.

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He's living in a tent that I used to live in.

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He's now also working here full-time.

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Simon's here.

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Simon's been also basically working here full time since he got here.

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So it's quite a lively place, you know, after a year of, well, yeah,

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kind of being kind of on my own here really.

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Now it's got a lot of energy to it.

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So what are the geeky, you know, Bitcoiners,

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we love getting down to the details of anything, growing coffee.

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where do you even begin

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it's not surely it can't just be as easy

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as right let's hack all these weeds back

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and just let the plants flourish

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and we'll be quids in

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well in year one yes

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that's literally all we did

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because there was no production

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because of the coverage

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of weeds

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so just

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taking all that down just allowed the coffee to produce

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so we got the coffee

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going forward it is very complex there's a lot to take into consideration because every farm

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is totally different and has totally different requirements so you can't just

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you have to become obviously intimately you have to become very you have to understand your farm

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very well and what you're dealing with so that involves obviously soil what is what what kind of

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soil do you have how does it need to be treated what nutrients are you lacking what you need to

431
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introduce how do you do that how organic do you want to be uh we're organic we're we're maintaining

432
00:34:30,459 --> 00:34:40,318
we're trying to maintain that status and you know the life cycle of a coffee plant as well

433
00:34:40,318 --> 00:34:44,538
you have to you have to keep replenishing it so every coffee farm has its own nursery

434
00:34:44,538 --> 00:34:50,439
where you grow from seed and that's a whole science in of itself you know how do you select

435
00:34:50,439 --> 00:34:57,698
your seeds then where do you plant what type of varietal there's different types of coffee plants

436
00:34:57,698 --> 00:35:02,998
some are more suited to higher altitudes some lower altitudes there's different qualities you've

437
00:35:02,998 --> 00:35:06,998
got to sort of find that sweet spot of quality but also that's not going to be too delicate

438
00:35:06,998 --> 00:35:13,398
um you know what's the water what's the water source how do you have water in the dry season

439
00:35:13,398 --> 00:35:18,298
basically here we've got two seasons it's dry and it's wet the wet season is very wet the dry season

440
00:35:18,298 --> 00:35:24,538
is very dry so there's not a shortage of water the water there's there's plenty of water and

441
00:35:24,538 --> 00:35:30,058
it's all locked in you know even after six months of no rain the place looks lush because it's just

442
00:35:30,058 --> 00:35:36,959
inside the plants it's everywhere but it doesn't there's no rainfall so you need to find a way a

443
00:35:36,959 --> 00:35:42,038
system of making sure that you can keep that water from the rainy season to last year all the way

444
00:35:42,038 --> 00:35:45,698
through the dry season that's something that i've not quite achieved yet but that's in process

445
00:35:45,698 --> 00:35:51,018
um what else yeah i mean there's like a million things and the more i learn it seems that more

446
00:35:51,018 --> 00:35:55,858
the more i have to learn and then the roasting process how to roast coffee you know that's a

447
00:35:55,858 --> 00:36:02,478
whole other world in itself as well uh which is not my bag that's simon's bag that kind of you

448
00:36:02,478 --> 00:36:07,278
know that's the that's the sort of division you know i sort of figure out all the point up until

449
00:36:07,278 --> 00:36:12,078
the green coffee and then you hand it over to the roaster to get it ready to consume essentially

450
00:36:12,078 --> 00:36:15,478
so what are you looking for simon in good green coffee

451
00:36:15,478 --> 00:36:20,398
I mean prior to answering that I suppose for

452
00:36:20,398 --> 00:36:24,638
the British viewers it might be easier

453
00:36:24,638 --> 00:36:26,298
to put it in the context of whiskey

454
00:36:26,298 --> 00:36:30,398
and I think where

455
00:36:30,398 --> 00:36:34,318
Harry has to be applauded for what he's done

456
00:36:34,318 --> 00:36:38,838
is this is you know there's plenty of people it seems to me come into El Salvador

457
00:36:38,838 --> 00:36:43,038
with ideas and they don't last very long because they can't get them to generate

458
00:36:43,038 --> 00:36:51,218
anything beyond you know theories in their heads and i've already come across that um whereas harry

459
00:36:51,218 --> 00:36:55,898
has taken something that's very physical and very tangible and it's it's going to take a while there's

460
00:36:55,898 --> 00:37:00,838
not there's not immediate cash flow with this it's a very long-term vision it's like you know if you

461
00:37:00,838 --> 00:37:05,658
start a distillery in in scotland unless you're secundar singh who owns the whiskey exchange and

462
00:37:05,658 --> 00:37:09,919
you can build it for 10 years and you have enough cash flow to just let it sit there until the liquid

463
00:37:09,919 --> 00:37:14,878
matures you're not going to make any profit and harry's not going to turn profit on this for

464
00:37:14,878 --> 00:37:20,178
for a while so it's just batting the hatches down dig the heels in and prepare it and deliver the

465
00:37:20,178 --> 00:37:26,878
best coffee that you can do over a period of time so it's a it's a it's a massive massive process

466
00:37:26,878 --> 00:37:34,578
um and he did inherit something that had basically it was derelict so um so it is it's it's pretty

467
00:37:34,578 --> 00:37:41,278
incredible what in terms of what i want out of it i think what we're both keen to do is the history

468
00:37:41,278 --> 00:37:46,118
of specialty coffee it was sort of in the uk you had a couple of kiwi guys who started a place

469
00:37:46,118 --> 00:37:50,898
called the espresso rooms in london and in the 90s they went out to origin because they too were

470
00:37:50,898 --> 00:37:58,738
somewhat discontented and dismayed at the fact that so many people in the in the world of coffee

471
00:37:58,738 --> 00:38:02,218
just couldn't even make a living.

472
00:38:02,939 --> 00:38:05,318
So they thought, let's bypass the exchanges altogether

473
00:38:05,318 --> 00:38:07,878
and the importers and exporters,

474
00:38:07,978 --> 00:38:10,258
and let's go direct to origin and pay farmers

475
00:38:10,258 --> 00:38:13,738
and promise to continue to pay them

476
00:38:13,738 --> 00:38:15,278
over a five or 10 year period,

477
00:38:15,338 --> 00:38:17,158
providing the coffee as of a particular standard

478
00:38:17,158 --> 00:38:20,018
on the basis that every year we come back,

479
00:38:20,218 --> 00:38:22,778
we want to see that money that we've paid you

480
00:38:22,778 --> 00:38:26,518
invested in better farm facilities,

481
00:38:26,778 --> 00:38:28,078
could be fermentation tanks,

482
00:38:28,078 --> 00:38:40,398
It could be parts of a mill. It could be a school for local kids because a lot of the laborers come up from the valleys to pick coffee during the harvest season and their kids are at a loss for something to do.

483
00:38:40,459 --> 00:38:47,798
So why not educate them while that's happening? And then that's a weight off the parents' mind and you're helping educate, you know, that particular region.

484
00:38:47,798 --> 00:39:02,258
So I think after that direct trade, that's called, specialty coffee has kind of got a little bit stuck and it's been more focused on aesthetics than it has about actually creating systemic change within the industry.

485
00:39:02,258 --> 00:39:09,459
I think because we're Bitcoiners, we'd like to try and pioneer a different approach to paying for it.

486
00:39:11,638 --> 00:39:17,778
Because as a roaster, I'm always converting out of pounds into dollars into Ethiopian bear or whatever the local currency is.

487
00:39:17,798 --> 00:39:20,398
a year ago paid an Ethiopian farmer in Burr.

488
00:39:21,058 --> 00:39:26,238
And over the weekend, the IMF debased the Ethiopian currency by 60%.

489
00:39:26,838 --> 00:39:31,939
You know, whereas if you can pay a farmer directly in Bitcoin,

490
00:39:32,459 --> 00:39:36,459
and that farmer like Harry is then able to use, for example,

491
00:39:36,518 --> 00:39:39,658
a facility like Lightning Bits, LM Bits,

492
00:39:39,658 --> 00:39:42,858
to then split the payments to all his farm workers who might have,

493
00:39:43,038 --> 00:39:46,038
all of a phone, like every coffee producing country,

494
00:39:46,038 --> 00:39:50,878
generally has better cellular access than we do in the UK.

495
00:39:51,618 --> 00:39:52,598
So everybody's got a phone.

496
00:39:52,959 --> 00:39:55,178
So to be able to use these sorts of facilities

497
00:39:55,178 --> 00:39:57,439
and bypass the fiat rails altogether

498
00:39:57,439 --> 00:40:02,238
would be the first time that I know of where this has happened.

499
00:40:03,378 --> 00:40:05,618
So it'd be a fun thing to explore.

500
00:40:07,419 --> 00:40:09,238
So when you...

501
00:40:09,238 --> 00:40:13,178
Let's get the kind of flow going here.

502
00:40:13,939 --> 00:40:15,038
The beans are grown.

503
00:40:16,038 --> 00:40:21,098
what do you do with um after harvest harry let you people come and help you out

504
00:40:21,098 --> 00:40:29,638
what happens to the beans after that well so we harvest we harvest the cherries it's like a red

505
00:40:29,638 --> 00:40:37,479
cherry um it's a bit blue you can't they're right here behind me right and then the there's a process

506
00:40:37,479 --> 00:40:45,979
of essentially uh removing the fruit from around the the bean that you know as coffee is inside

507
00:40:45,979 --> 00:40:53,278
the cherry and so the process of removing the fruit is what comes next and that what we're doing

508
00:40:53,278 --> 00:40:57,278
that here on the farm it takes a while it takes about a month after harvest and there's many

509
00:40:57,278 --> 00:41:01,378
different ways of doing it there's natural process where you just leave it in the sun and the sun

510
00:41:01,378 --> 00:41:09,018
just dries it and it ferments oh yeah so here right okay there you go this is the this is the

511
00:41:09,018 --> 00:41:14,798
this is a branch this is the cherry and that's what it's called a coffee berry cherry like

512
00:41:14,798 --> 00:41:22,718
yeah we call it cherry right they call it here which is like grape and then this is the this is

513
00:41:22,718 --> 00:41:29,678
the bean you can't really you see that up a little bit oh there you go yes yeah yeah so you got to get

514
00:41:29,678 --> 00:41:33,758
it and this also has like a what's it called parchment around it which needs to be removed as

515
00:41:33,758 --> 00:41:37,998
well and then you have the green cherry inside but it takes a while you've got to remove all the

516
00:41:37,998 --> 00:41:39,919
moisture there's also a lot of moisture inside

517
00:41:39,944 --> 00:41:44,504
you've got to get it down to about 10 11 moisture content and there's just many different ways of

518
00:41:44,504 --> 00:41:50,104
doing it and each of them creates a slightly different flavor that to a specialist um or an

519
00:41:50,104 --> 00:41:55,204
aficionado like those those sort of nuances of flavor is where where the interest lies in the

520
00:41:55,204 --> 00:42:01,004
in the industry probably um most people who drink coffee probably wouldn't notice that much

521
00:42:01,004 --> 00:42:05,684
difference probably i certainly wouldn't i'm definitely i think if it was pointed out to you

522
00:42:05,684 --> 00:42:10,804
you would if you did a cup in second like we did a few days ago yeah what you would you would notice

523
00:42:10,804 --> 00:42:15,724
like a bit more sweetness like if it's done naturally i'm the worst at wine taste wine

524
00:42:15,724 --> 00:42:20,524
tasting you know oh you can taste the uh the under notes of raspberry and i'm like

525
00:42:20,524 --> 00:42:29,664
anyway whatever so like you know if if you do natural process the fruit is left on the cherry

526
00:42:29,664 --> 00:42:37,584
for for several weeks and that imparts obviously a bit of a fruity flavor onto the

527
00:42:37,584 --> 00:42:42,004
onto the onto the bean a bit more a bit more a bit more sweet a bit more fruity

528
00:42:42,004 --> 00:42:48,344
um but anyway there's many different ways of doing it this is my the first harvest we did

529
00:42:48,344 --> 00:42:54,544
that was that started literally as i arrived the day after i landed here on the farm we started

530
00:42:54,544 --> 00:42:59,764
harvesting and obviously i didn't really have much or any experience so we did it in the most

531
00:42:59,764 --> 00:43:07,104
rudimentary way possible and that would have been the coffee that you tasted um now i have a team

532
00:43:07,104 --> 00:43:12,824
i have an expert that lives on the farm that we work very closely with he's only 25 years old but

533
00:43:12,824 --> 00:43:18,904
he's very precocious and we're experimenting a lot we're going to we're processing a lot on the farm

534
00:43:18,904 --> 00:43:27,124
but also there's a we're surrounded by it's a real um formerly rich coffee region um that lost

535
00:43:27,124 --> 00:43:31,884
its way let's say uh so there's a lot you can notice around there's a lot of remnants of sort

536
00:43:31,884 --> 00:43:38,784
of the the wealthy coffee coffee years so to speak so there's big processing plants uh not far from

537
00:43:38,784 --> 00:43:43,224
here quite a few so we're going to all of them trying different types of processing seeing how

538
00:43:43,224 --> 00:43:47,844
we can work with them uh building relationships seeing who we work with best seeing which processes

539
00:43:47,844 --> 00:43:52,744
work best tasting them all we're going to have probably off this one harvest about 100 different

540
00:43:52,744 --> 00:43:57,924
flavor profiles that we're going to go through and figure out which one works best and then

541
00:43:57,924 --> 00:44:05,864
eventually narrow it down um so yeah this year is essentially a year of experimentation for us

542
00:44:05,864 --> 00:44:12,064
all it's very exciting how many tons will you get how many tons how does it how much does it work

543
00:44:12,064 --> 00:44:14,044
car. 60 bags, 60 quintalis.

544
00:44:14,804 --> 00:44:15,604
How many tons is that?

545
00:44:15,904 --> 00:44:17,424
It's less than...

546
00:44:17,424 --> 00:44:19,424
So...

547
00:44:19,424 --> 00:44:20,344
Or kilos, whatever.

548
00:44:21,084 --> 00:44:21,764
100 pounds.

549
00:44:23,104 --> 00:44:23,844
What's a pint?

550
00:44:25,844 --> 00:44:27,004
Speak to me in metric.

551
00:44:27,324 --> 00:44:28,704
Two and a half kilos, isn't it?

552
00:44:28,904 --> 00:44:30,204
I wasn't a ton.

553
00:44:31,144 --> 00:44:32,984
Oh my God, we need Dominic Frisbee on here.

554
00:44:32,984 --> 00:44:34,684
He's the guru of

555
00:44:34,684 --> 00:44:35,904
metric and imperial.

556
00:44:36,804 --> 00:44:38,984
I mean, he's probably going to produce about...

557
00:44:38,984 --> 00:44:40,924
It's probably going to be about five tons, huh?

558
00:44:40,924 --> 00:44:42,884
let's just say yes

559
00:44:42,884 --> 00:44:43,804
about five times

560
00:44:43,804 --> 00:44:46,044
I mean

561
00:44:46,044 --> 00:44:47,724
it's

562
00:44:47,724 --> 00:44:51,104
how does that compare to the other farms

563
00:44:51,104 --> 00:44:53,064
around you? Are you very

564
00:44:53,064 --> 00:44:54,204
small in comparison?

565
00:44:55,424 --> 00:44:57,304
Well, yes

566
00:44:57,304 --> 00:44:58,684
because most farmers

567
00:44:58,684 --> 00:45:00,964
they'll have several

568
00:45:00,964 --> 00:45:02,404
farms or like yeah

569
00:45:02,404 --> 00:45:04,924
they're all sort of separate

570
00:45:04,924 --> 00:45:06,944
so I know say for example one

571
00:45:06,944 --> 00:45:09,004
other farmer that I know quite well

572
00:45:09,004 --> 00:45:14,424
around here uh he has a farm opposite me here where he also has farms dotted around and he'll

573
00:45:14,424 --> 00:45:23,184
harvest everything um not wanting to sell it to the speciality market so there's two basically two

574
00:45:23,184 --> 00:45:29,044
types of coffee in terms of quality commodity and speciality commodity is what most people do here

575
00:45:29,044 --> 00:45:34,444
and that means that you don't you don't have to mess about with like selecting the perfect cherry

576
00:45:34,444 --> 00:45:40,184
because on one branch this is not a good example but on one branch sometimes you'll find overripe

577
00:45:40,184 --> 00:45:46,624
well here's one that's overripe with perfectly ripe with underripe so for speciality the flavors

578
00:45:46,624 --> 00:45:50,664
will be very different if you pick them at the wrong time even within a few weeks you're going

579
00:45:50,664 --> 00:45:55,464
to miss out on the peak flavor so to be able to sort of sell to someone like simon you've got to

580
00:45:55,464 --> 00:46:00,204
be really careful you'll be very disciplined with the way that you harvest around here it's this

581
00:46:00,204 --> 00:46:06,524
this eastern part of the country is the poor half of the country the big wealthy uh coffee

582
00:46:06,524 --> 00:46:11,104
farms are in mostly in the west and they'll be doing more specialty here it's more commodity

583
00:46:11,104 --> 00:46:15,944
so the farmers they'll just like strip all of them all the leaves real quick get in your bag you get

584
00:46:15,944 --> 00:46:21,444
paid per pound so the workers are incentivized to work fast just strip the branches you want you

585
00:46:21,444 --> 00:46:24,724
don't at the end of the harvest you don't want to have any cherries left on the branch everything's

586
00:46:24,724 --> 00:46:30,344
probably better otherwise bugs will start uh living in them and then you have problems um so

587
00:46:30,344 --> 00:46:35,564
yeah the farms around me they'll be typically the harvesting for for commodity and they'll be doing

588
00:46:35,564 --> 00:46:42,484
it at scale to be able to uh you know turn a profit whereas i'm doing mostly speciality

589
00:46:42,484 --> 00:46:49,644
but also some commodity as well because every farm even the top farms will have all qualities

590
00:46:49,644 --> 00:46:55,104
you will still have poor quality coffee on the floor and you have to find a way of selling that

591
00:46:55,104 --> 00:46:59,264
as well so everything gets sold obviously speciality goes to specialty commodity goes

592
00:46:59,264 --> 00:47:06,884
you know to you know what like markets that don't require such a high quality of coffee which is

593
00:47:06,884 --> 00:47:13,624
majority of you can so i mean how how would the the lay person because you know in the town that

594
00:47:13,624 --> 00:47:19,264
we live there's a few micro roasteries that they would call themselves uh how would i know that

595
00:47:19,264 --> 00:47:23,784
they're not just shilling on commodity coffee as specialty coffee.

596
00:47:24,664 --> 00:47:26,464
Is there any way to know?

597
00:47:26,564 --> 00:47:27,404
Is this a problem?

598
00:47:28,924 --> 00:47:30,504
For the layman, not really.

599
00:47:30,624 --> 00:47:32,764
I mean, you can generally tell by the sort of equipment

600
00:47:32,764 --> 00:47:34,464
and the cleanliness of it on their bar

601
00:47:34,464 --> 00:47:36,164
and how they present themselves.

602
00:47:36,304 --> 00:47:40,604
Certainly don't go to what we call second wave coffee chains

603
00:47:40,604 --> 00:47:43,784
because they're typically using a lot of Robusta coffee,

604
00:47:43,784 --> 00:47:46,584
which is, you know, there's two main genetic species.

605
00:47:46,864 --> 00:47:48,364
There's a rapica and there's Robusta.

606
00:47:48,364 --> 00:47:51,124
Robusta is very highly caffeinated

607
00:47:51,124 --> 00:47:52,664
and grown at very low altitudes

608
00:47:52,664 --> 00:47:53,924
and it's very inexpensive

609
00:47:53,924 --> 00:47:57,084
Everywhere here, every high street is a Costa

610
00:47:57,084 --> 00:47:58,104
or a Niro

611
00:47:58,104 --> 00:48:01,064
They're all lining their blends with Robusta

612
00:48:01,064 --> 00:48:02,544
because it's cheap and they get more margin

613
00:48:02,544 --> 00:48:05,024
and when you roast it really dark, you just get that black

614
00:48:05,024 --> 00:48:06,924
coffee flavour off it, so most people

615
00:48:06,924 --> 00:48:08,884
don't really discern anything different

616
00:48:08,884 --> 00:48:10,164
So I would say to

617
00:48:10,164 --> 00:48:12,064
your viewers or listeners

618
00:48:12,064 --> 00:48:14,724
seek out your local specialty coffee shop

619
00:48:14,724 --> 00:48:16,864
and support that, I mean 70% of the world drinks

620
00:48:16,864 --> 00:48:17,604
commodity coffee

621
00:48:17,604 --> 00:48:23,144
people armors can't survive on it which is why a lot of kids growing up in places like this i mean

622
00:48:23,144 --> 00:48:30,364
you drive around and you see so many farms and the the the plants are just the coffee trees are

623
00:48:30,364 --> 00:48:36,084
just dense with fruit nobody's picking them because i mean we've met already met one person

624
00:48:36,084 --> 00:48:41,944
who's just not interested in taking over their family farm i mean the shrewd ones are going to

625
00:48:41,944 --> 00:48:47,944
university and they're doing biochemistry and then they're coming back to the farm and saying

626
00:48:47,944 --> 00:48:53,624
right folks we've watched you just like work yourselves practically to the bone for nothing

627
00:48:53,624 --> 00:48:58,164
we're going to take over the farm so you sit down and then they're going to do what Maurizio is

628
00:48:58,164 --> 00:49:03,584
doing with with Harry who's coming at it from a much more scientific point of view and playing

629
00:49:03,584 --> 00:49:09,904
with different processes and and really trying to elevate the quality of it so that people like me

630
00:49:09,904 --> 00:49:15,124
then pay more for it because the only way to survive but consequently it's making it quite an

631
00:49:15,124 --> 00:49:20,044
exciting industry but for for your local guys just find your local specialty coffee shop and support

632
00:49:20,044 --> 00:49:26,704
them and buy your coffee there because what harry didn't say is that for every cup of coffee of this

633
00:49:26,704 --> 00:49:34,084
caliber as it's becoming it's been through about 20 to 25 pairs of hands so when you think about

634
00:49:34,084 --> 00:49:36,044
that pipeline and that everybody

635
00:49:36,044 --> 00:49:38,184
along that pipeline has to be paid

636
00:49:38,184 --> 00:49:40,084
all of a sudden

637
00:49:40,084 --> 00:49:42,044
£3.50 or £3.75

638
00:49:42,044 --> 00:49:44,184
for a flat white isn't

639
00:49:44,184 --> 00:49:46,124
such a bad price. I mean

640
00:49:46,124 --> 00:49:48,004
it's too cheap. The espresso

641
00:49:48,004 --> 00:49:50,104
room guys in London that started it and set

642
00:49:50,104 --> 00:49:52,144
the reference point came

643
00:49:52,144 --> 00:49:54,244
in too cheap. It should have even back in the 90s

644
00:49:54,244 --> 00:49:56,144
should have been the price it is today

645
00:49:56,144 --> 00:49:57,744
and then we could have worked our way on.

646
00:49:59,604 --> 00:50:00,044
Wow.

647
00:50:01,044 --> 00:50:01,764
All right.

648
00:50:02,524 --> 00:50:02,964
So

649
00:50:04,084 --> 00:50:14,324
espresso are you an espresso maximalist or do you dabble with the uh the milk is that kind of uh

650
00:50:14,324 --> 00:50:20,824
not the thing to do depends on the time of day i i my favorite way to drink it is a

651
00:50:20,824 --> 00:50:28,544
it's a double espresso and but but if i've i've had a couple of those i might take like a macchiato

652
00:50:28,544 --> 00:50:34,944
or a flat white so i'm not i'm not uh fascist when it comes to putting milk in it yeah but i don't

653
00:50:34,944 --> 00:50:40,224
like a lot of milk because it's it's a bit like taking i've said to somebody yesterday i think

654
00:50:40,224 --> 00:50:46,744
it's a bit like taking like a 2000 and 2007 bordeaux and in eastern europe they put coke in

655
00:50:46,744 --> 00:50:51,124
in their red wine yeah you know why why would you why would you do that if you're work if you're

656
00:50:51,124 --> 00:50:58,244
drinking a you know a really nice washed ethiopian hunkute uh why would you put milk in it because

657
00:50:58,244 --> 00:51:03,384
you want to taste all of the characteristics that you know the jasmine and the bergamot and

658
00:51:03,384 --> 00:51:12,124
all the things that make that such a wonderful coffee harry uh probably less so uh because

659
00:51:12,124 --> 00:51:18,764
my my lifestyle here doesn't really allow for too much you know expectations regarding quality

660
00:51:18,764 --> 00:51:24,204
of anything really i just have this big i just turned it off now actually because it was overheating

661
00:51:24,204 --> 00:51:29,484
i've just got this big coffee maker there's a lot of people right very early on in this project

662
00:51:29,484 --> 00:51:33,964
especially when i was living by the tent people would come like the guy that delivers the water or

663
00:51:34,924 --> 00:51:42,444
the builders and then the staff here and then alias the my neighbor uh everybody wants a coffee

664
00:51:42,444 --> 00:51:48,364
you know so i have to i have to i have to provide for them so i just do a big filter canister of it

665
00:51:48,364 --> 00:51:53,964
and then just out yeah big batch yeah so that's what i've got used to and i like it you've not

666
00:51:53,964 --> 00:51:56,084
got the espresso machine hooked up.

667
00:51:56,084 --> 00:51:57,924
No, I have a roaster now.

668
00:51:57,924 --> 00:51:59,904
Since a few days, I have a roaster.

669
00:51:59,904 --> 00:52:10,451
So I looking forward to getting working on that I think when you project like this Daniel you got to get your ducks in a row in terms of equipment And so an espresso machine is quite far down the line

670
00:52:10,851 --> 00:52:13,211
Yesterday, Harry took delivery of a new sample roaster

671
00:52:13,211 --> 00:52:14,231
called the Bullet Roaster,

672
00:52:14,991 --> 00:52:17,871
which is going to be a big game changer

673
00:52:17,871 --> 00:52:22,271
in terms of them being able to roast small lots of coffee

674
00:52:22,271 --> 00:52:24,651
from the farm to taste what it might end up like

675
00:52:24,651 --> 00:52:27,051
and refine and tweak different things.

676
00:52:27,271 --> 00:52:29,271
And then probably they need a moisture meter,

677
00:52:29,271 --> 00:52:35,791
which is a thousand dollars and so a really fancy italian espresso machine is not the order of the

678
00:52:35,791 --> 00:52:43,511
day really is it not yet give it a couple of years and it all cycles and then you'll be flying uh so

679
00:52:43,511 --> 00:52:49,031
harvest wise what does that look like yeah you know they just literally strip the beans you don't

680
00:52:49,031 --> 00:52:54,551
prune back the plants the pruning comes after because as i said there's a rainy season and

681
00:52:54,551 --> 00:53:04,231
a dry season and the rainy season starts in about may and um that dictates the the the schedule of

682
00:53:04,231 --> 00:53:10,471
the farm so you finish uh the harvest probably in about february and it gives you a few months to

683
00:53:10,471 --> 00:53:17,031
start preparing for the rainy season because it's it rains so heavily you can't really do much in

684
00:53:17,031 --> 00:53:22,071
that period so the pruning will happen then we're gonna have to do a lot of pruning this year it's

685
00:53:22,071 --> 00:53:26,951
some old plants that just need to come down there's some plants that just need removing

686
00:53:26,951 --> 00:53:33,751
replacing and we have about 6 000 small plants in the nursery and they're all going to be planted

687
00:53:33,751 --> 00:53:38,311
as well just before the rainy season just before as well because obviously you need the you need the

688
00:53:38,311 --> 00:53:45,431
rain comes quite regularly usually at about the same time every day in the night time so you can

689
00:53:45,431 --> 00:53:51,751
usually get stuff done in the daytime and then deluge you know afternoon evening but the harvesting

690
00:53:51,751 --> 00:53:56,631
itself yeah like i said you're going to be picking most of the time one by one just the

691
00:53:56,631 --> 00:54:00,611
just the perfect cherries you know it's very labor intensive to get high quality coffee

692
00:54:00,611 --> 00:54:05,831
very hard work yeah so

693
00:54:05,831 --> 00:54:13,911
i we we obviously i swapped a book for a bag of coffee that's how i got my hands on some of your

694
00:54:13,911 --> 00:54:21,091
coffee how far away are you from getting it out can people buy from you yet in bitcoin what what's

695
00:54:21,091 --> 00:54:28,571
what's the kind of business model going forward next two to four years next two to four years

696
00:54:28,571 --> 00:54:39,351
well immediately um i have coffee for sale in el salvador um not yet from the recent current harvest

697
00:54:39,351 --> 00:54:49,771
for the uk and europe we're going to be talking probably when like may yeah may june time hopefully

698
00:54:49,771 --> 00:54:58,171
yeah and that'll be when the brand properly launches in europe in the uk so then and what's

699
00:54:58,171 --> 00:55:04,251
the brand name la cruz la cruz right i remember now yes i remember the label yeah

700
00:55:08,091 --> 00:55:14,811
and then that will be that will be then uh available to order online with bitcoin and bear in mind

701
00:55:14,811 --> 00:55:22,191
every aspect every part of the supply chain that could be denominating bitcoin has been

702
00:55:22,191 --> 00:55:28,251
all the way from the builders merchant that we were at this morning they accept bitcoin so i

703
00:55:28,251 --> 00:55:33,671
can buy my building materials with bitcoin my staff i pay with bitcoin and then my staff when

704
00:55:33,671 --> 00:55:38,051
they go and buy something they can buy something and if it's in bitcoin they just send me the bill

705
00:55:38,051 --> 00:55:42,531
and i'll pay it back so we have this great little system going here that's working really well

706
00:55:42,531 --> 00:55:46,991
and some of the folks they they're not even bitcoiners it's still not really bitcoiners

707
00:55:46,991 --> 00:55:50,991
but they're loving using it they don't really know and they don't they're not talking about

708
00:55:50,991 --> 00:55:54,731
like you know hard money or any of that sort of ideological stuff it's just like oh this is great

709
00:55:54,731 --> 00:56:00,471
this is really handy so i can just go and buy my food i can just go and do this um so that's a

710
00:56:00,471 --> 00:56:03,731
really exciting part of the project and you'll know when you buy the coffee over there that that's

711
00:56:03,731 --> 00:56:08,791
that bitcoin is going to go straight back into that circular economy and it's just going to keep

712
00:56:08,791 --> 00:56:13,331
sort of feeding itself going forward and that's you know that's one of the really exciting things

713
00:56:13,331 --> 00:56:18,711
about this project because that's that's that is new you know on an international level and what

714
00:56:18,711 --> 00:56:22,631
i've been doing also recently i work very closely with the local community there's a football club

715
00:56:22,631 --> 00:56:28,571
that i play with simon scored actually at the weekend his debut we just i just brought everybody

716
00:56:28,571 --> 00:56:32,971
down there was about four of us gringos there playing towering header at the far post simon

717
00:56:32,971 --> 00:56:37,571
was that the order of nobody was the target man i was just like trying to play off him

718
00:56:37,571 --> 00:56:43,871
um and they've got a young lads team and they really just don't have they don't have the

719
00:56:43,871 --> 00:56:47,451
equipment you know they'll have games cancelled at the last minute because the opposition's

720
00:56:48,211 --> 00:56:54,751
uh vehicle broke down and it's it's they need support so i've sponsored them i've got them

721
00:56:54,751 --> 00:57:02,071
strips i've got them boots and uh most of that has come from fundraising with the geyser platform

722
00:57:02,071 --> 00:57:10,171
and obviously all of that has been bitcoin uh so that this this sort of in like moving

723
00:57:10,171 --> 00:57:13,831
donating internationally because a lot of those donations came when i was back in the uk

724
00:57:13,831 --> 00:57:20,551
uh coming back to the farm going to the football club when i sell the coffee the sign was saying

725
00:57:20,551 --> 00:57:26,031
we're going to work with lm bits to to implement the split payments some of that can go to the

726
00:57:26,031 --> 00:57:30,031
football club as well some of that to the farm some of that to other parts of the supply chain

727
00:57:30,031 --> 00:57:36,051
so that for me is a really interesting part of this project and especially from the perspective

728
00:57:36,051 --> 00:57:40,511
obviously of a Bitcoiner probably the most interesting aspect for a Bitcoin I would say

729
00:57:40,511 --> 00:57:47,971
the coffee aspect is fascinating as well for me but for a Bitcoiner maybe that the payment rails

730
00:57:47,971 --> 00:57:52,711
is what would sort of catch their attention for sure and hopefully Josias is listening

731
00:57:52,711 --> 00:57:58,531
maybe you've met Josias Carbon he runs the Bitcoin Ballers in the UK at Bedford I met him

732
00:57:58,531 --> 00:58:01,151
Yeah, he'd love to hear that football story.

733
00:58:01,651 --> 00:58:03,871
I'd love to hear about that for sure, yeah.

734
00:58:04,031 --> 00:58:06,871
Yeah, he'd love to get involved and support in some way

735
00:58:06,871 --> 00:58:09,491
or perhaps even assemble a team and get them out there

736
00:58:09,491 --> 00:58:13,391
and have a friendly, international friendly against your local club.

737
00:58:13,911 --> 00:58:15,051
How good would that be? Yeah.

738
00:58:15,751 --> 00:58:16,691
That'd be amazing.

739
00:58:17,231 --> 00:58:17,951
How good would that be?

740
00:58:19,071 --> 00:58:22,891
So are you going to launch then to BTC Prague officially?

741
00:58:24,391 --> 00:58:27,031
Well, no, that's not decided at all.

742
00:58:27,291 --> 00:58:28,311
Well, that's in June.

743
00:58:28,311 --> 00:58:34,291
that's your timeline well you know who knows who knows possibly possibly it'll be around that time

744
00:58:34,291 --> 00:58:43,871
i know that much and obviously being british um uh well i've lived in germany but uk is going to be

745
00:58:43,871 --> 00:58:52,771
the focus to start with um but you know working with simon what that does as well is it opens up

746
00:58:52,771 --> 00:58:56,031
the European market because Belfast doesn't have the trade barriers.

747
00:58:56,611 --> 00:59:01,011
So we have the two markets and they're sort of, you know, available to us.

748
00:59:01,531 --> 00:59:05,651
There's a bit of, there's a, there's a, you know,

749
00:59:05,651 --> 00:59:09,531
we talked earlier about the sort of volumes that LaCruz is going to be able

750
00:59:09,531 --> 00:59:16,111
to commit to, which is not really enough to economically justify

751
00:59:16,111 --> 00:59:20,191
sending a container from here to us.

752
00:59:20,191 --> 00:59:27,231
so the hope would be to have it launched by june but what we'll probably try and do is consolidate

753
00:59:27,231 --> 00:59:32,891
a container so harry has a lot of contacts with other farmers here now and if if they're of a

754
00:59:32,891 --> 00:59:37,811
similar quality and a high enough quality then we'll look to pull in and some of them are bitcoiners

755
00:59:37,811 --> 00:59:42,631
as well down in santa anna there's a there's a norwegian guy's bought a coffee farm doesn't know

756
00:59:42,631 --> 00:59:48,011
anything about coffee bought it more for a site to build a house on but harry's potentially going

757
00:59:48,011 --> 00:59:52,831
be looking after his coffee so if we consolidate a container and get it afloat by sort of march

758
00:59:52,831 --> 00:59:59,611
april then there's no reason why why you know june couldn't be a target window that would be

759
00:59:59,611 --> 01:00:06,171
i tell you what i hope people are listening that are into uh especially shadrach who's building out

760
01:00:06,171 --> 01:00:13,691
the um like the the the pleb infrastructure for shipping uh the need originally came from all the

761
01:00:13,691 --> 01:00:19,611
artwork the the artists were finding it very very difficult to ship their art from conference to

762
01:00:19,611 --> 01:00:26,571
conference uh reliably and uh they were getting charged uh ridiculous fees at point of uh you

763
01:00:26,571 --> 01:00:32,171
know receivership hidden costs that they weren't expecting which was a real pain in the ass so

764
01:00:32,171 --> 01:00:37,091
yeah if you listen to shadr i'll send it across to him because um he's he's building out like the

765
01:00:37,091 --> 01:00:43,271
idea of this mesh to dell that uh there will be a service and he's building it that bitcoiners can

766
01:00:43,271 --> 01:00:51,831
lean into and he started with art and i know he's uh shipped other things uh i don't know exactly

767
01:00:51,831 --> 01:00:59,691
what for sure i think might be starting to ship wine as well soon and um yeah i'm sure i'd love

768
01:00:59,691 --> 01:01:04,711
to hear about what you guys are doing and if you then can lean into that bitcoin circle economy

769
01:01:04,711 --> 01:01:12,191
like the shipping area and bypass the usual customs headaches

770
01:01:12,191 --> 01:01:16,671
and whatever else and all of that cost and the insurance

771
01:01:16,671 --> 01:01:18,231
and everything that goes with it as well.

772
01:01:18,431 --> 01:01:23,911
Just shipping a container of coffee is not a simple thing, right?

773
01:01:24,031 --> 01:01:26,371
You've got many moving parts in that.

774
01:01:27,431 --> 01:01:29,150
Yeah, and if it doesn't leave the port on time

775
01:01:29,150 --> 01:01:30,751
and it's sitting in this kind of temperature,

776
01:01:30,751 --> 01:01:35,731
you know it has to be nine to twelve percent moisture content by the time it reaches our

777
01:01:35,731 --> 01:01:40,111
roastery in belfast too high moisture content you're going to get fungus on it it's not going

778
01:01:40,111 --> 01:01:45,491
to taste good too low you can't roast it so there's a lot of you know moving pieces

779
01:01:45,491 --> 01:01:51,771
that have to work just right for for the coffee to be in the right state for whenever it reaches

780
01:01:51,771 --> 01:01:56,671
reaches us so yeah and we're you know we're going to be working on all of that and uh

781
01:01:56,671 --> 01:02:02,351
so the idea is like the coffee is going to get to you and you're going to take over from that point

782
01:02:02,351 --> 01:02:07,171
uh with the roasting and yeah it's really you know it's collaborative in the sense that

783
01:02:07,171 --> 01:02:13,351
harry's looking after the origin side of things and uh producing them the coffee and then our job

784
01:02:13,351 --> 01:02:19,591
as roasters is really i mean ultimately i've always kind of preached that all the glory should

785
01:02:19,591 --> 01:02:36,577
go to farmers as roasters our job is simply to highlight what is already in the bean we can add anything or subtract we can subtract from it we can we can make a mess of roasting it but our job is just to elevate the the produce that the farmers created so

786
01:02:36,577 --> 01:02:44,377
um and that's what we'll we'll we'll attempt to do and and i think also we're realistic enough to

787
01:02:44,377 --> 01:02:52,377
say that this is not going to be you know a panama geisha which is a you know which is a very very

788
01:02:52,377 --> 01:03:00,377
very pedigree varietal that fetches hundreds of dollars per pound to the Chinese for example this

789
01:03:00,377 --> 01:03:06,237
is a work in progress and so I guess it would be a case of just inviting people to every year taste

790
01:03:06,237 --> 01:03:10,277
the new harvest and they will see that it's getting better and it's getting better and it's getting

791
01:03:10,277 --> 01:03:17,097
better and it's even though it's significantly better than the cups that I see on every bitcoin

792
01:03:17,097 --> 01:03:23,237
podcaster's desk which is generally dunkin donuts or starbucks or pratt or something like that i mean

793
01:03:23,237 --> 01:03:28,857
the bitcoin community particularly the influencers definitely need to educate they need to spend less

794
01:03:28,857 --> 01:03:38,917
time reading hayek and more time studying coffee love it uh yes um right okay so how would you make

795
01:03:38,917 --> 01:03:46,537
a mess of the roasting process so obviously you've got the beautiful roaster uh in in your premises

796
01:03:46,537 --> 01:03:52,837
there uh talk us through that process well it's like cooking it's like cooking meat

797
01:03:52,837 --> 01:04:01,977
it's uh which i know will resonate with your listeners uh it's uh you know anytime you cook

798
01:04:01,977 --> 01:04:07,277
food there's a process called caramelization that takes place so when you're roasting coffee

799
01:04:07,277 --> 01:04:12,337
generally there are three there are three phases to it that are kind of critical that you get right

800
01:04:12,337 --> 01:04:17,757
and the first phase is just what's called the drying phase so you're just you're just driving

801
01:04:17,757 --> 01:04:22,297
the water and the moisture out of the coffee to some degree so that's when it goes from green to

802
01:04:22,297 --> 01:04:27,577
to yellow and that might last five minutes so it's quite a long part of the process

803
01:04:27,577 --> 01:04:33,477
and then you kick into the next phase and where they start to go from yellow to brown which is

804
01:04:33,477 --> 01:04:43,997
called the maillard phase maillard is named after a french french uh scientist who um who really

805
01:04:43,997 --> 01:04:49,337
unlocked what was going on during the during the cooking process and uh where sugars are created

806
01:04:49,337 --> 01:04:55,117
and then it creates a cascade process where a new chemical compound is is kind of created out of what

807
01:04:55,117 --> 01:04:58,997
just happened which then reacts with another one and it's just like a snowball going down a hill

808
01:04:58,997 --> 01:05:04,097
so you've got to use telemetry different probes in the roaster at different parts of it to try

809
01:05:04,097 --> 01:05:10,677
and figure out how to manage that with airflow and with heat and then the last phase when you

810
01:05:10,677 --> 01:05:18,237
put a lot of heat into a coffee bean it's um it's endothermic so it absorbs all of the heat that you

811
01:05:18,237 --> 01:05:22,397
can throw at it and then it gets to a point where it can't contain it any longer and it explodes

812
01:05:22,397 --> 01:05:27,197
which is what we call first crack so you're kind of listening for first crack

813
01:05:27,197 --> 01:05:34,997
and it generally explodes out the little seam in the in the coffee bean and it's quite it's quite

814
01:05:34,997 --> 01:05:39,057
it's quite audible you can generally you can't hear it in our roaster because of how it's designed

815
01:05:39,057 --> 01:05:46,517
but you can see it on the chart on the telemetry and then after that is the is really the development

816
01:05:46,517 --> 01:05:51,477
phase where you figure out how much development you want to give the bean we roast really light

817
01:05:51,477 --> 01:05:53,757
because we buy the best quality green coffee in the world.

818
01:05:53,917 --> 01:05:58,057
So we want people to taste the intrinsic characteristics

819
01:05:58,057 --> 01:05:59,337
of that particular coffee.

820
01:05:59,797 --> 01:06:02,277
If you roast dark, then you could be drinking anything.

821
01:06:02,437 --> 01:06:03,697
It's not really our bag.

822
01:06:03,777 --> 01:06:06,397
So those are the three phases of coffee roasting.

823
01:06:07,197 --> 01:06:10,297
And you manipulate it either way.

824
01:06:10,577 --> 01:06:12,917
One thing that I've learned that your listeners might find interesting,

825
01:06:13,077 --> 01:06:15,337
especially because Bitcoin is typically quite health conscious.

826
01:06:15,537 --> 01:06:16,597
And as Simon pointed out,

827
01:06:17,097 --> 01:06:20,717
that doesn't translate to their coffee drinking habits at all, it seems.

828
01:06:20,717 --> 01:06:27,417
like I said all farms have all qualities you're going to have some which have insects have been

829
01:06:27,417 --> 01:06:32,357
living in it and it's going to have like a bitter flavor or there's going to be some that have too

830
01:06:32,357 --> 01:06:38,037
much sugar not enough sugar all kinds of issues still coffee you can still drink it the worst

831
01:06:38,037 --> 01:06:44,777
coffee we get from here I'll just have it in the morning get up have a coffee it's still so much

832
01:06:44,777 --> 01:06:51,937
better than like the typical coffee that i've had throughout my life in various cafes so it makes me

833
01:06:51,937 --> 01:06:58,377
wonder what the hell is going on with those coffees and you know i don't i don't know i don't know how

834
01:06:58,377 --> 01:07:03,377
the coffee can can be that bad but the the coffees that you generally drink from like starbucks and

835
01:07:03,377 --> 01:07:09,257
dunkin donuts we're gonna there's gonna be a lot of unhealthy things probably going in there and

836
01:07:09,257 --> 01:07:14,477
We're talking a lot of chemicals, probably damage to the local environment,

837
01:07:16,117 --> 01:07:21,877
all kinds of environmental impacts that I think the Bitcoiners

838
01:07:21,877 --> 01:07:24,317
would be keen to educate themselves on.

839
01:07:24,317 --> 01:07:29,537
So I think this is perhaps something which they should –

840
01:07:29,537 --> 01:07:32,317
oh, sorry, the cats just come on the screen –

841
01:07:32,317 --> 01:07:36,077
which they might want to – another rabbit hole potentially

842
01:07:36,077 --> 01:07:38,257
for the Bitcoiners to look at going down.

843
01:07:38,257 --> 01:07:42,117
there is coffee chain on Nostra. Do you see that?

844
01:07:42,617 --> 01:07:43,617
Possibly. Yeah. Yeah.

845
01:07:43,617 --> 01:07:46,577
There's a few coffee Nostra profiles that I'm in contact with.

846
01:07:46,657 --> 01:07:47,117
What's that one?

847
01:07:47,817 --> 01:07:51,977
There's just like the coffee chain is take a picture of your morning coffee,

848
01:07:52,117 --> 01:07:53,217
espresso, wherever you are.

849
01:07:53,217 --> 01:07:53,757
Oh, like a hashtag.

850
01:07:54,037 --> 01:07:57,097
Hashtag coffee chain. Yeah. Good morning. Hashtag coffee chain.

851
01:07:57,777 --> 01:08:00,897
And yeah. So there are some out there, but yeah.

852
01:08:01,097 --> 01:08:05,577
The other thing that really irks me with those big coffees that you'll see,

853
01:08:05,577 --> 01:08:13,697
just the plastic shitty waxy paper that is lining the cups so whenever we do go out for coffee you

854
01:08:13,697 --> 01:08:21,057
know i'll insist that i'm only going to drink coffee from uh a china cup and uh you want to

855
01:08:21,057 --> 01:08:28,137
see at least the cups being warmed on top of the machine as well you know like and i i'm no geek

856
01:08:28,137 --> 01:08:34,097
about this stuff but there are certain lines that i uh you know have drawn in the sand and and they

857
01:08:34,097 --> 01:08:39,957
are well find your local specialty coffee house and make sure that they're going to serve that to

858
01:08:39,957 --> 01:08:48,017
you in a china cup otherwise i'm not buying i'm not interested yeah yeah well if you've time daniel

859
01:08:48,017 --> 01:08:51,817
you should come over to our roastery in belfast because we use derrick wilson ceramics and he's

860
01:08:51,817 --> 01:08:56,597
the one of ireland's best ceramicists and so you'll get your you'll get your coffee out of

861
01:08:56,597 --> 01:09:01,477
a pretty pocket cup if you come over well let's shill uh where is your business so if anybody can

862
01:09:01,477 --> 01:09:09,477
get across and uh east belfast uh so root and branch coffee roasters we did have other cafes but

863
01:09:09,477 --> 01:09:13,737
wound those down during covid so we've just got the espresso bar at the roastery now but

864
01:09:13,737 --> 01:09:18,177
you know we get a fair amount of bitcoiners coming through which is which is always good

865
01:09:18,177 --> 01:09:24,997
so uh it's a beautiful location it's really worth a visit you're on uh you're on btc maps i hope

866
01:09:24,997 --> 01:09:30,597
uh yeah we are yeah excellent so if nathan's listening he'll be happy to hear that

867
01:09:30,597 --> 01:09:37,357
And you can list as well as a merchant on Club Orange and people can reach out and find you there.

868
01:09:38,017 --> 01:09:38,917
Yeah, because.

869
01:09:40,437 --> 01:09:45,217
2026, this has to be the year of, you know, spedding, right?

870
01:09:45,697 --> 01:09:53,357
That's let's get Bitcoin moving through, you know, people's hands so they can see how easy it is to interact with it.

871
01:09:53,477 --> 01:09:55,597
You know, 2025.

872
01:09:55,597 --> 01:09:57,377
That's what I really enjoy here, Daniel.

873
01:09:57,377 --> 01:10:04,497
sorry to interrupt is that it's very difficult to spend it at home yeah but here like everywhere

874
01:10:04,497 --> 01:10:11,137
and it's actually really it's like laughing with harry it's you know it's it's so counter the

875
01:10:11,137 --> 01:10:16,117
hodl mindset but actually it's more pleasurable spending it than it is even just accumulating it

876
01:10:16,117 --> 01:10:20,837
because uh you know you're you're making a difference in people's lives like a while ago

877
01:10:20,837 --> 01:10:27,817
I said to my there's a guy I was using as a PT who was a European champion kickboxer and I said

878
01:10:27,817 --> 01:10:31,997
to him look I'll buy 10 sessions from you on the condition that I pay you in Bitcoin this was this

879
01:10:31,997 --> 01:10:38,137
was three years ago um and I said in like a few years this will be the most expensive training

880
01:10:38,137 --> 01:10:46,037
session anyone's ever paid for from you and sure enough like it's it's like six x'd and uh and when

881
01:10:46,037 --> 01:10:51,297
you're doing that with local people here you just it's it feels good you know and we should be doing

882
01:10:51,297 --> 01:10:58,797
more of this back up yeah no more paper bitcoin no more it's only a store of value and let's you

883
01:10:58,797 --> 01:11:04,977
know just use it to issue stable coins on the back of it like let's just start using the fucking stuff

884
01:11:04,977 --> 01:11:11,657
and you know making it a medium of exchange because that's the only way that we we do move

885
01:11:11,657 --> 01:11:19,337
away from the fiat rails like it's and I don't believe in the the narrative of building the

886
01:11:19,337 --> 01:11:26,297
bridge between the fiat system and the bitcoin it's like no there's no bridge like we're over

887
01:11:26,297 --> 01:11:32,337
here doing our thing and this is a better thing and it's better for everybody involved and it's

888
01:11:32,337 --> 01:11:38,697
going to lift up your community and your society so yeah what you're doing is is amazing and

889
01:11:38,697 --> 01:11:43,497
And so had the guy that you bought the farm from,

890
01:11:44,357 --> 01:11:46,197
was he just down to accept Bitcoin?

891
01:11:46,317 --> 01:11:48,377
You had to have a conversation or he's like...

892
01:11:48,377 --> 01:11:51,397
No, it went through an intermediary.

893
01:11:51,597 --> 01:11:53,217
So he wasn't actually a Bitcoiner.

894
01:11:53,937 --> 01:11:56,457
He wasn't actually a Bitcoiner, but he's, yeah.

895
01:11:56,717 --> 01:11:57,577
But we made it happen.

896
01:11:57,977 --> 01:11:58,217
Right.

897
01:11:58,517 --> 01:11:59,577
Well, good for you.

898
01:12:00,197 --> 01:12:00,437
Yeah.

899
01:12:00,497 --> 01:12:02,497
Good for you because it's just too easy to say,

900
01:12:02,497 --> 01:12:05,057
yeah, okay, then yeah, we'll just settle in fiat.

901
01:12:05,057 --> 01:12:11,537
but that's one thing a lot of people in the uk are worried about right that they want to use

902
01:12:11,537 --> 01:12:17,157
the the proceeds to now buy a house and well it'd be a lot easier if you could just buy your house

903
01:12:17,157 --> 01:12:25,017
with bitcoin yeah well we're not there yet really in europe are we no we're near maybe one day

904
01:12:25,017 --> 01:12:31,097
yeah all right lads well we'll start winding it down but i always finish with the same question

905
01:12:31,097 --> 01:12:33,337
if you had one last orange pill

906
01:12:33,337 --> 01:12:35,677
to give to somebody who would you give it to

907
01:12:35,677 --> 01:12:36,417
and why

908
01:12:36,417 --> 01:12:39,557
who would I give the orange pill to

909
01:12:39,557 --> 01:12:41,137
and why

910
01:12:41,137 --> 01:12:43,237
I don't know what do you think Simon

911
01:12:43,237 --> 01:12:45,377
living

912
01:12:45,377 --> 01:12:47,357
person it would be someone

913
01:12:47,357 --> 01:12:49,477
as influential as possible I suppose

914
01:12:49,477 --> 01:13:02,743
yeah let just say Donald Trump just because he influential because he clearly not orange bill no or he just stacking as much as he can for himself

915
01:13:02,743 --> 01:13:10,143
who who would i who would i give it to i think um

916
01:13:10,143 --> 01:13:17,983
i mean i don't know it'd be great to see change in the uk like somebody that was influential in

917
01:13:17,983 --> 01:13:24,583
the UK that could actually lean on the powers that be to open it up and take it out of the hands of

918
01:13:24,583 --> 01:13:31,323
our absolutely awful regulators like the FCA and so I mean do you give it to Keir Starmer is he

919
01:13:31,323 --> 01:13:36,163
going to be in there long enough oh hi I go to the king like does he have any real power anyway

920
01:13:36,163 --> 01:13:40,723
because it's the civil service to give it to King Charles well if he carks it in a few weeks that

921
01:13:40,723 --> 01:13:46,923
was a waste of an orange pill maybe maybe better give it to William so I'm at a bit of a loss there

922
01:13:46,923 --> 01:13:52,023
yeah sorry can't be of any more help

923
01:13:52,023 --> 01:13:55,203
the next person that walks in your coffee shop how about that

924
01:13:55,203 --> 01:13:57,003
oh no they get it anyway Daniel

925
01:13:57,003 --> 01:14:01,603
so what's

926
01:14:01,603 --> 01:14:05,263
is there an ask here of the listeners are you guys looking for help in any way

927
01:14:05,263 --> 01:14:09,743
if somebody's listening and they've been inspired and has got a certain skill set

928
01:14:09,743 --> 01:14:12,343
that might be able to help you out

929
01:14:12,343 --> 01:14:14,563
what are you looking for

930
01:14:14,563 --> 01:14:15,563
I am

931
01:14:15,563 --> 01:14:17,903
I need a lot of help

932
01:14:17,903 --> 01:14:20,083
there's a lot of opportunities here

933
01:14:20,083 --> 01:14:22,903
anybody who's

934
01:14:22,903 --> 01:14:24,243
involved in coffee

935
01:14:24,243 --> 01:14:26,283
and is a Bitcoiner, reach out

936
01:14:26,283 --> 01:14:28,263
even if it's just

937
01:14:28,263 --> 01:14:29,383
for a chat

938
01:14:29,383 --> 01:14:34,503
help with regards to

939
01:14:34,503 --> 01:14:36,183
my Geyser fund

940
01:14:36,183 --> 01:14:37,403
for the Lads football team

941
01:14:37,403 --> 01:14:40,923
we've raised $1300 in 6 months

942
01:14:40,923 --> 01:14:42,523
we bought them football boots

943
01:14:42,523 --> 01:14:43,303
we bought them kit

944
01:14:43,303 --> 01:14:46,743
that's going to be a relationship that continues

945
01:14:46,743 --> 01:14:49,343
as long as this project continues

946
01:14:49,343 --> 01:14:52,803
and the next step is keeping the wild horses off the pitch

947
01:14:52,803 --> 01:14:54,603
so we need to build

948
01:14:54,603 --> 01:14:57,643
some fencing down there

949
01:14:57,643 --> 01:15:02,083
and it needs a lot of work so essentially any help with that would be fantastic

950
01:15:02,083 --> 01:15:04,083
we're just promoting it, that would be great

951
01:15:04,083 --> 01:15:07,543
well and Harry's being altruistic

952
01:15:07,543 --> 01:15:10,443
thereby because none of that

953
01:15:10,443 --> 01:15:13,283
directly affects him and that's the kind of

954
01:15:13,303 --> 01:15:18,903
integrity that he's got um apart from probably makes him feel better when he's helping all of

955
01:15:18,903 --> 01:15:26,803
these guys out um but i would say i mean i would say help what harry's doing his this morning

956
01:15:26,803 --> 01:15:31,963
mauricio who's his main coffee guy and i were around the town putting posters up trying to

957
01:15:31,963 --> 01:15:37,983
attract pickers to come and pick the coffee um and it's really difficult to get them so if somebody

958
01:15:37,983 --> 01:15:44,943
at home is 18 19 20 21 22 years of age or whatever age wants to come over and say right well next

959
01:15:45,903 --> 01:15:50,383
next february or next december to february i'm going to go and live in a tent like harry did and

960
01:15:50,383 --> 01:15:56,463
i'm just going to pick coffee every day or donate money to buy power tools because it's really

961
01:15:56,463 --> 01:16:00,943
difficult to run a farm without without power tools and all of this will just speed things up

962
01:16:00,943 --> 01:16:08,243
and and he is making a big difference in in people's lives here so you can rest easy knowing

963
01:16:08,243 --> 01:16:18,463
that every sat like harry and his team here are maxing it out so it's it's it's brilliant

964
01:16:18,463 --> 01:16:24,283
if you can visit visit but if you can't fling a few sats in the direction of the farm to just

965
01:16:24,283 --> 01:16:30,563
expedite things so harry if there's a bunch of guys out there want to come and experience it

966
01:16:30,563 --> 01:16:36,903
work away holiday um shield the idea where would they stay nearby and they could still have a bit

967
01:16:36,903 --> 01:16:41,243
of fun a few beers in the evening get out and coffee picking and helping the project during

968
01:16:41,243 --> 01:16:47,723
the day it's a it's it's it's good crack it was good crack from day one if i'm honest um

969
01:16:47,723 --> 01:16:55,563
especially especially alias you see him over there it's a bit blurry

970
01:16:55,563 --> 01:16:58,363
he is a constant source of entertainment

971
01:16:58,363 --> 01:17:00,243
honestly and he's there every day

972
01:17:00,243 --> 01:17:01,763
we have

973
01:17:01,763 --> 01:17:03,883
rudimentary accommodation

974
01:17:03,883 --> 01:17:05,963
Mauricio is, we call it the scorpion shed

975
01:17:05,963 --> 01:17:07,143
because we did find

976
01:17:07,143 --> 01:17:10,843
scorpions in there to start with

977
01:17:10,843 --> 01:17:12,003
but they now realise that

978
01:17:12,003 --> 01:17:13,023
they should stay away

979
01:17:13,023 --> 01:17:15,103
we've got the tents, we've got these two

980
01:17:15,103 --> 01:17:18,203
we're going to expand the on-site accommodation

981
01:17:18,203 --> 01:17:19,683
so that for the next harvest

982
01:17:19,683 --> 01:17:21,703
we can have people living here and just harvesting

983
01:17:21,703 --> 01:17:23,683
food

984
01:17:23,683 --> 01:17:24,563
we have

985
01:17:24,563 --> 01:17:26,603
it's

986
01:17:26,603 --> 01:17:28,443
yeah we've got

987
01:17:28,443 --> 01:17:30,763
Berlin just up the road, you can get everything you need

988
01:17:30,763 --> 01:17:32,483
there, it's a good

989
01:17:32,483 --> 01:17:34,203
experience. Are there any

990
01:17:34,203 --> 01:17:36,463
B&Bs in Berlin? Yeah there's

991
01:17:36,463 --> 01:17:37,243
all of that as well

992
01:17:37,243 --> 01:17:40,483
so people could literally like go and

993
01:17:40,483 --> 01:17:42,543
hang out in Berlin and then come

994
01:17:42,543 --> 01:17:44,483
during the day, help you out

995
01:17:44,483 --> 01:17:46,523
do the coffee picking, go back

996
01:17:46,523 --> 01:17:48,343
to the Airbnb. Absolutely

997
01:17:48,343 --> 01:17:49,703
that's also an option

998
01:17:49,703 --> 01:17:52,743
but essentially

999
01:17:52,743 --> 01:17:54,263
anyone who

1000
01:17:54,563 --> 01:17:58,023
like me is in Europe.

1001
01:17:58,223 --> 01:18:00,163
I know it's quite cold over there right now.

1002
01:18:00,323 --> 01:18:01,603
Here we've got beautiful weather.

1003
01:18:02,543 --> 01:18:05,523
Maybe next winter, even if you're not a coffee person,

1004
01:18:05,663 --> 01:18:06,683
even if you're not a big corner,

1005
01:18:07,043 --> 01:18:08,903
you might just want the experience

1006
01:18:08,903 --> 01:18:11,363
because you're going to learn Spanish here real quick

1007
01:18:11,363 --> 01:18:13,623
because most of the people that I'm working with here

1008
01:18:13,623 --> 01:18:14,463
don't speak any English.

1009
01:18:14,863 --> 01:18:16,923
So my Spanish, you know, my background is languages.

1010
01:18:17,083 --> 01:18:18,303
I've learned German at university.

1011
01:18:18,763 --> 01:18:20,083
I've learned Spanish so quickly

1012
01:18:20,083 --> 01:18:21,823
because I'm just having to use it all the time.

1013
01:18:22,403 --> 01:18:24,183
Constantly problem solving, you know.

1014
01:18:24,563 --> 01:18:30,723
um every day there's a new there's a new uh there's a new problem to solve it really sharpens

1015
01:18:30,723 --> 01:18:35,763
you it's really i've like i've grown in this last year more than i think i can i have in any other

1016
01:18:35,763 --> 01:18:41,603
year that i can remember in my life uh in in so many different ways and the opportunity is there

1017
01:18:41,603 --> 01:18:46,483
you know for other people too uh and beyond that as well people who want to do something similar

1018
01:18:46,483 --> 01:18:52,083
and take control of a project start their own project i can help you know specifically in

1019
01:18:52,083 --> 01:18:57,243
in El Salvador because here really is Bitcoin country. You can use it every day. You can pay

1020
01:18:57,243 --> 01:19:00,283
your staff with it. No one's going to laugh at you when you suggest if you can pay for something

1021
01:19:00,283 --> 01:19:04,523
in Bitcoin. Anywhere in the country. You go anywhere and you say, would you accept Bitcoin?

1022
01:19:04,723 --> 01:19:08,343
They know what you're talking about and they consider it. They don't just laugh in your face

1023
01:19:08,343 --> 01:19:12,463
like they would do in Europe. So anyone who's a Bitcoiner, for sure, you have to get out here

1024
01:19:12,463 --> 01:19:16,663
and see what opportunities might be there for you. And if not, just have a great time because

1025
01:19:16,663 --> 01:19:20,783
you've got beautiful weather. The surf's great down there at the beach. We're up in the mountains

1026
01:19:20,783 --> 01:19:25,583
now it's a nice temperature it's not too hot a bit further down you've got more tropical hot weather

1027
01:19:25,583 --> 01:19:30,523
um and it's a bit of a rough diamond you know it's just recently opened up so there's just a

1028
01:19:30,523 --> 01:19:35,843
lot of opportunity and i recommend people giving it a giving it some thought excellent so where can

1029
01:19:35,843 --> 01:19:41,183
people reach out to you both and then i'll point them your direction reach out to me i suppose your

1030
01:19:41,183 --> 01:19:49,143
audience is uh going to be an uh sort of on primal or not primal sorry on nosta or or x uh lacrus

1031
01:19:49,143 --> 01:19:55,903
coffee my account is lacruz boss uh also on instagram most of my content goes on instagram

1032
01:19:55,903 --> 01:20:01,683
i'm documenting it i'm doing a documentary as well the pilot is on instagram it's also on x

1033
01:20:01,683 --> 01:20:06,443
follow me there also youtube will be started soon for the continuation of that documentary

1034
01:20:06,443 --> 01:20:14,903
and my website lacruzcoffee.com and you can find me in any of those really excellent simon

1035
01:20:14,903 --> 01:20:25,663
uh root and branch dot coffee r-o-o-t-a-n-d-b-r-a-n-c-h um for anybody who wants to sign

1036
01:20:25,663 --> 01:20:31,963
up for a really good coffee subscription um and uh and i'm on x and nostra as well

1037
01:20:31,963 --> 01:20:38,023
cy johnston is my my handle on those um and then we have our own social medias with root and branch

1038
01:20:38,023 --> 01:20:43,583
i don't look after those but i'm sure people can find them excellent all right well i hope people

1039
01:20:43,583 --> 01:20:49,863
reach out and will we see you at any of the conferences around europe or are you sticking

1040
01:20:49,863 --> 01:20:55,463
to well you will i'm i'm i plan things late but you'll see me there some of them i don't know

1041
01:20:55,463 --> 01:21:00,843
which one yet we'll we'll we'll definitely do some some when the coffees when the collab comes out

1042
01:21:00,843 --> 01:21:05,143
we'll uh we'll we'll do we'll do i mean we may do something at the london coffee festival

1043
01:21:05,143 --> 01:21:11,203
as well you know not not exclusively just bitcoin stuff because you know they're preaching bitcoin

1044
01:21:11,203 --> 01:21:18,003
to bitcoiners is uh is not as fun as preaching bitcoin yeah interestingly here obviously i'm

1045
01:21:18,003 --> 01:21:21,363
traveling around a lot of country around the country a lot i'm meeting a lot of farmers

1046
01:21:22,243 --> 01:21:26,803
there's a lot of interest in bitcoin here from farmers you know and we're talking about people

1047
01:21:26,803 --> 01:21:33,683
with a lot of coffee that sell a lot of coffee all the time and always looking for new ways to get

1048
01:21:33,683 --> 01:21:39,123
new to access new markets to find new customers bitcoin is very interesting to people here

1049
01:21:39,123 --> 01:21:44,003
because they can see how it's used they can see how when they have it how they can spend it right

1050
01:21:44,003 --> 01:21:48,563
it's not just it's not it's not it's not something that's like abstract in the way that perhaps some

1051
01:21:48,563 --> 01:21:55,763
business owner in the uk might see it so um using it the way that we plan to use it and then showing

1052
01:21:55,763 --> 01:22:02,403
it to the the coffee world is a good opportunity to show to sort to sort of pioneer a new way of

1053
01:22:02,403 --> 01:22:10,383
of doing coffee that might appeal to somebody who doesn't care about uh inflation or the typical

1054
01:22:10,383 --> 01:22:15,523
thing that bitcoin might care about they might just care about transparency and we've got that

1055
01:22:15,523 --> 01:22:20,843
you know charities you want to give your money to to oxfam and let them you know pay how many other

1056
01:22:20,843 --> 01:22:24,343
people before it reaches the person you want it to reach or do you want to do a split payment where

1057
01:22:24,343 --> 01:22:30,023
you can see the wallet of my farmer and the football club receive it immediately it's verifiable and

1058
01:22:30,023 --> 01:22:35,403
it's transparent and i'm really hoping that people are going to see that and try and uh and come to

1059
01:22:35,403 --> 01:22:41,303
me and say look how do i do it i want in from a slightly different angle it's a sort of a different

1060
01:22:41,303 --> 01:22:47,563
orange pill you know that's how i see it i mean you're rug pulling the existing coffee chain

1061
01:22:47,563 --> 01:22:53,263
brilliant with this insofar as if it if it's the trader on the exchange it doesn't actually

1062
01:22:53,263 --> 01:22:59,863
contribute anything to the product itself but siphons a lot of the value off if it's the if

1063
01:22:59,863 --> 01:23:05,223
it's the currency trader because we're all moving in and out of fiat currencies to pay for this stuff

1064
01:23:06,343 --> 01:23:12,823
again what are they actually providing to the end product they're providing nothing so really the only

1065
01:23:12,823 --> 01:23:19,863
people that should be benefiting from this are the people that are handling the coffee so what this is doing is it's

1066
01:23:19,889 --> 01:23:24,849
it's disintermediating all the non-value providers to the supply chain,

1067
01:23:24,989 --> 01:23:26,209
which is significant.

1068
01:23:26,409 --> 01:23:30,629
So farmers and laborers and baristas are going to end up getting paid

1069
01:23:30,629 --> 01:23:34,809
significantly more via Bitcoin than they are through,

1070
01:23:34,809 --> 01:23:37,429
through Fiat, which is, you know,

1071
01:23:37,529 --> 01:23:41,749
which besides the fact that it tastes really good and much better should mean

1072
01:23:41,749 --> 01:23:43,909
that most of us just automatically go, well,

1073
01:23:44,229 --> 01:23:46,389
I'm not going to buy any other coffee from this point.

1074
01:23:46,529 --> 01:23:48,809
If I can buy a Bitcoin orientated coffee.

1075
01:23:48,809 --> 01:23:50,389
inevitable

1076
01:23:50,389 --> 01:23:53,629
fingers crossed

1077
01:23:53,629 --> 01:23:56,489
Simon would we be able to

1078
01:23:56,489 --> 01:23:58,129
tempt you south of the border to

1079
01:23:58,129 --> 01:24:00,089
Bitcoin Island in Dublin

1080
01:24:00,089 --> 01:24:02,429
I was down I did

1081
01:24:02,429 --> 01:24:04,189
something out of it a couple of years ago Daniel

1082
01:24:04,189 --> 01:24:06,589
and I haven't been back since

1083
01:24:06,589 --> 01:24:07,889
but if I'm free

1084
01:24:07,889 --> 01:24:08,989
sure I'll

1085
01:24:08,989 --> 01:24:12,469
Lawrence and Dinny they run

1086
01:24:12,469 --> 01:24:14,369
I think it'll be the fourth year and there's going to be a

1087
01:24:14,369 --> 01:24:16,429
three or four day event this year in Dublin

1088
01:24:16,429 --> 01:24:18,549
yeah yeah yeah

1089
01:24:18,549 --> 01:24:28,449
Yeah. Hook up with them and see if you can get down there and give a talk about what you're both trying to achieve here, because he would love to have that story on stage, I'm sure.

1090
01:24:28,789 --> 01:24:31,169
Yeah. Great. All right, Daniel. Thanks for the tip off.

1091
01:24:31,549 --> 01:24:33,649
No problem. Right, lads, I'll leave you to it.

1092
01:24:33,649 --> 01:24:40,289
I'm sure you've got some coffee to go and harvest and some cats and chickens to run after from what I've been watching.

1093
01:24:41,529 --> 01:24:43,569
So catch you later. Thanks for coming on.

1094
01:24:44,109 --> 01:24:46,589
Thanks, Daniel. Thanks, Daniel. See you. Nice to meet you.

1095
01:24:46,749 --> 01:24:47,949
Bye bye. See you guys.

1096
01:24:48,549 --> 01:24:55,289
well there you go thank you so much for listening thank you to harry and simon for coming on and

1097
01:24:55,289 --> 01:25:03,569
sharing your experiences absolutely inspiring uplifting i hope everybody's got a lot of

1098
01:25:03,569 --> 01:25:10,849
inspiration and value from this episode you can just do things you can just buy coffee farms for

1099
01:25:10,849 --> 01:25:40,177
bitcoin in other far countries that i mean that where we at right now and here is the proof And from there you can start thinking about building out completely new supply chains based around Bitcoin and sell your product in Belfast in a coffee shop that is accepting Bitcoin trying to stack Bitcoin onto the balance sheet trying to educate people about Bitcoin

1100
01:25:40,177 --> 01:25:48,157
The whole system that they're building around their shared love of coffee is incredible.

1101
01:25:48,977 --> 01:25:57,017
And I know for sure there's someone now listening to this episode and perhaps not this rant or ramble afterwards.

1102
01:25:57,357 --> 01:25:58,957
You might just turn it off at that point.

1103
01:25:58,957 --> 01:26:09,937
But something has been said here that's inspired you to start thinking about your own life and what you want to be doing over the next five to 20 years.

1104
01:26:10,177 --> 01:26:16,177
building something completely new this is the thing that bitcoin gives you it affords you to

1105
01:26:16,177 --> 01:26:25,297
become your true self it affords you to be able to start following your instincts and following your

1106
01:26:25,297 --> 01:26:33,857
interests and turning perhaps what is a a passionate hobby into a lifestyle into a business

1107
01:26:33,857 --> 01:26:41,477
you know that there are if you if you if you are thinking in this way and you've you might have the

1108
01:26:41,477 --> 01:26:48,017
means uh you you're probably at that point of making excuses in your own mind that you'll be

1109
01:26:48,017 --> 01:26:52,737
hitting some barriers uh you might still be trapped in a fiat job where you've got

1110
01:26:52,737 --> 01:26:59,437
restricted stock units or something hanging over your head believe me i know i've been there

1111
01:26:59,437 --> 01:27:03,597
I had to walk away from all of that and fear those demons.

1112
01:27:03,597 --> 01:27:05,517
This is why I wrote my book, Choose Life.

1113
01:27:05,697 --> 01:27:10,097
If you want to go and check that out, please head over to bitcoinbook.shop

1114
01:27:10,097 --> 01:27:25,264
and grab yourself a copy It available in English and Spanish And it about how my wife and I escaped the fiat lifestyle before we found Bitcoin It was after we escaped that I had the time and energy and interest and

1115
01:27:25,264 --> 01:27:32,384
need to find Bitcoin and that's how I found it. But I had to get myself out of those chains first

1116
01:27:32,384 --> 01:27:40,524
and thank goodness I did. But it's not easy. It's not easy. You have so many circumstances

1117
01:27:40,524 --> 01:27:46,764
surrounding you, your social construct, that career that you've painted yourself into a corner to,

1118
01:27:47,425 --> 01:27:54,204
and these commitments that you might have that honestly, once you take a closer look at your

1119
01:27:54,204 --> 01:28:02,604
fears, they start melting away once you start taking more of an active control and taking more

1120
01:28:02,604 --> 01:28:08,944
of the reins over your life and the trajectory of what you're trying to achieve. And Bitcoin

1121
01:28:08,944 --> 01:28:17,644
changes you it changes everybody it changes your ability to just do things and that is the magic of

1122
01:28:17,644 --> 01:28:25,604
it and that's what I love exploring on this podcast with these stories from just two perfectly normal

1123
01:28:25,604 --> 01:28:30,324
gents that were going around their business until Bitcoin come up and tapped them on the shoulder

1124
01:28:30,324 --> 01:28:36,245
and changed everything it will happen to you if you keep stacking but please take self-custody

1125
01:28:36,245 --> 01:28:42,324
like I said at the beginning, do not fall into the trap of being lazy there. There is nothing more

1126
01:28:42,324 --> 01:28:48,364
important than taking self-custody of your Bitcoin. You have to be the only one with the ability to

1127
01:28:48,364 --> 01:28:54,864
access and move that Bitcoin. And the only way you can do that is with a hardware wallet. So go and

1128
01:28:54,864 --> 01:29:02,264
do your own research. But if you want to trust me, Bitbox has been around for a long, long time,

1129
01:29:02,264 --> 01:29:09,224
a long time and you know they've they've done brilliant brilliant work in the space

1130
01:29:09,224 --> 01:29:26,972
educational work as well get over to the website bitbox forward slash bitten read through their blogs have a look at their offering look at the bitbox o2 all the bitbox nova they both bitcoin only and then just go for it just order

1131
01:29:26,972 --> 01:29:33,112
a bitbox and start playing around with it and set up your your self-custody

1132
01:29:33,112 --> 01:29:35,712
solution like i said at the beginning as well

1133
01:29:35,712 --> 01:29:40,412
Relay are there for you to stack sats, R-E-L-A-I dot C-H forward slash Bitten.

1134
01:29:40,992 --> 01:29:43,292
And you can start stacking sats with Relay today.

1135
01:29:43,292 --> 01:29:45,732
If you want to set your business up, they're there to help you.

1136
01:29:45,832 --> 01:29:48,612
If you need white glove service, they're there to help you.

1137
01:29:48,672 --> 01:29:49,612
There's a private team.

1138
01:29:50,132 --> 01:29:55,252
If you are high net worth individual or orange pilling, high net worth individuals, it's all there for you.

1139
01:29:55,472 --> 01:29:56,492
They have got you.

1140
01:29:57,372 --> 01:30:04,412
Paywithflash.com is the best place for you to go to start and accepting your Bitcoin for your goods and services.

1141
01:30:04,412 --> 01:30:11,812
i'm out of music last thing i'll say is club orange going from strength to strength almost

1142
01:30:11,812 --> 01:30:18,832
at 20 000 users that's bitcoiners around the world ready to connect with you and if you are

1143
01:30:18,832 --> 01:30:25,032
the lonely bitcoiner if you're the only bitcoiner in the village get on orange pill app i guarantee

1144
01:30:25,032 --> 01:30:31,672
you you're going to find someone within 15 to 50 miles of you that you can go and have a coffee with

1145
01:30:31,672 --> 01:30:38,712
and break out of the normie noise and go and have a one-to-one head-to-head conversation with

1146
01:30:38,712 --> 01:30:48,092
somebody that sees the world at least at least in one area money real money that sees the world the

1147
01:30:48,092 --> 01:30:54,672
same as you it's a life-changing and uh you've got to break out we were at our meetup last night

1148
01:30:54,672 --> 01:31:03,852
our local meetup there were 10 people five of them were aged 18 or below so it's just great to

1149
01:31:03,852 --> 01:31:08,532
see that the youngsters are coming out and getting involved as well anyway i've banged on far too much

1150
01:31:08,532 --> 01:31:12,452
thank you so much for listening hope you enjoyed the show catch you on the next one