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Hello, everybody. My name is Daniel Prince, and I'm the host of the Once Bitten podcast.

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This is a podcast focused on Bitcoin. It's my mission to interview as many people as I can

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around the different aspects of Bitcoin and help people understand exactly what Bitcoin could mean

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for them and for their families and for their future. I hope you enjoy the show. Thank you so

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much for listening. Hello everybody and welcome to this episode of the Once Bitten podcast. Joining

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me today is John Cook, a dairy farmer doing his best to farm in the most practical, efficient,

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humane and delicious way possible with his herd of cows and the land on which he is rearing them.

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It was an absolute pleasure to meet John and many of his customers, actually, as we were standing by his shed, buying our milk, our raw honey, our farm eggs with Bitcoin.

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And it was an absolute thrill to turn up to the farm and see the shed and see the Bitcoin Accepted Here sticker.

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Mike, you know who you are. Well done.

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That is grassroots effort stuff.

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going to your local producers, your local farmers, shaking your rancher by the hand,

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explaining to them the importance of accepting sound money for their goods.

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And, you know, kudos to John. Hats off for being open to explore that.

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And accept it. They will come.

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Myself and another bitcoiner turned up.

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Both of us lived three hours away in Kent.

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we were in the area playing golf with some of the lads and we went across and we went and supported

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bought a crate of raw milk each and a bunch of beef and whatever you know he's selling just to

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And last shill, my good friend, Nanya Bidness, that's David Bennett. He is bringing you the

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couple of times. Meanwhile, here's John. All right, John, we're recording. It's great to have

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you on the show. A quick back picture for the listeners. You and I met, I was with a buddy of

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mine, a fellow Bitcoiner, Rick, you know who you are. And Mike introduced us to your farm. Mike,

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you know who you are. Thank you very much. Rick and I were over in your neck of the woods playing

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golf with a bunch of Bitcoiners. And he said, there's a guy 20 minutes from here that's accepting

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Bitcoin for raw milk, raw honey, farm eggs, amazing beef. And so we just had to jump in the car and

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come and find you. And that's how we got to meet you. And subsequently, I went on holiday with my

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family. We come and met you again. And we set this up. So we're going to get into all of that. But

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we were supposed to hit record 30 minutes ago. And you've got a nice little farmyard story for

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it might be nice for you it wasn't that nice for me it's a typical um daily occurrence here to be

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fair not always with the pigs but no i uh it was just coming out of the dairy and i saw a pig running

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up the road and my sister lives up the road and it would be worse fate worse than death if it got

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into her garden so i had to chase after that and it carried on running up the road and you know

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where I live so it was heading towards gardens so I might actually get in front of it and get it back

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which is not always an easy feat because they're pretty stupid they just want to run away from me

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all the time and so when I got back I went into the pen there should be three other pigs in there

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it was on his own so they were just one was walking around my mother's garden

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there was two on the top of the quarry just having a having a mooch and um so yeah it's

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very hard to herd pigs pigs don't herd very well no they don't and how old are these ones

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um they'd be about four months old now

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adolescent asshole children

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their life their life and trials and tribulations of being a farmer

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so well let's um before we get into like uh the all of the bitcoin stuff and um your journey and

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regenerative farming and all of that brilliant stuff which the listeners love learning about

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regenerative farming and beef and meat and you know real food real nutritious 100% amazing food

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uh what what was you I mean how did you get to this point because were you doing a different job

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way back when before you started farming what what was growing up like and what was kind of the uh

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the career path well now my career path wow okay so I grew up here this is my family farm

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um and I always loved to farm it was as a kid it was just the best playground ever and

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working as a kid wasn't a chore you know my dad didn't have to ask me to go and jump on a tractor

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to do something I was already doing it before he even asked so the um the whole farming thing is in

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my blood and I'm actually fourth generation well I say I'm fourth generation I'm probably a lot

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more than that because as far as we can take our ancestry back our my family has been in this area

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working on the land so fourth generation is the ones I can actually name much after that then

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it's probably I don't know I mean we're talking a long long time ago so I've always always farmed

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um I got to 17 and found that obviously um I had hormones so decided to go chasing another

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another kind of animal and did that for a few years worked in an office for two years

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for an agricultural merchant that was an education it made me realize I couldn't really work with

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people they don't like seem to don't seem to like the truth very much and I was very much

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you know if you're going to work for a company you work for the banner across the top of the

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name you're working for them and it seemed like other people had much more ideas about working

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for themselves within that in within that organization so i couldn't cope with that very

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well tended to upset quite a few people saying 19 at the time i'm like why why would why would

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these people not work for the company that's paying you i know side point lots of stories

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with that but i won't go into that it's boring um so there's that's 1993 decided i was

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unemployable so I needed to do stuff for myself and obviously I still had my dad all the time on

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the farm that was an ongoing daily occurrence I wasn't living here but I still came back every

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day it's like a big umbilical cord that gets too stretched and you can twang back into it

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um so I was then a dairy consultant for a while um I started a worm farm I was importing well I

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started farming the worms and I realized I couldn't I couldn't reduce enough what I was selling

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so then I started bringing them in from Holland on lorries um I suppose I was probably the second

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biggest in the country wow right okay that now that's very I mean is that niche it seems it

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sounds niche to me but it's obviously there is a big business for it um would I be niche it's not

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no there's just very few people doing it I suppose so um unfortunately I got embroiled into a little

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bit of a what you call it not as triangle what do they call that pyramid thing so it's very good

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really good ruse so the guy would set you up in worm farming he say i'll buy all your worms for

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two years so you got a guaranteed market for two years and then you on your own but it gives you time to get set up other markets but what i hadn realized the the genius of that is he was setting up other people effectively as your competition so at the end of two years you maybe made these customers as

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well as well as well as him buying your worms um so fishing shops for instance and composting

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composting was one of the other big markets and um so then a year after that somebody else is

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coming to the end of their contract and they've got all these worms and they can't sell them either

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so you're just on a downward spiral for the price and i was i wouldn't do it for nothing

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so i'd have customers you know fishing shops or angling shops come to me and say well i can buy

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two pounds a kilo cheaper from maybe down the road and I just said well at it go and go and do it then

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and then three months later because I was really um really careful how I packed my worms make sure

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they lived for the fishermen these other guys didn't know what they were doing and they'd come

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back in two months time so can we have worms now and I said well yeah they're the same if not more

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than last time well I was getting for two pounds cheaper I said well go back and get them for two

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cheaper than why are you even calling me so i found that the fishing industry the fishermen

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tended to be quite tight um i'm not sure that's fair but that was my impression certainly of the

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shops i know their businesses they want to get it cheaper but surely the quality of the product

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was what you know you've got a fishing match you want to make sure your products are live and

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vigorous and work so um i did that for about 10 years and i i had a few losses so

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when worms die they uh they're an enzyme and you tend to pack them quite closely together

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and the enzyme will kill the next one and you're just in a in a cascade of death

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and the smell is disgusting really how would you how would you pack them i mean how does one go

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around packing worms so you pack them in a in a in a in a medium but you can you can pack them

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quite quite close together what you gotta do is keep them cool so when i used to import them from

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holland they used to come in on in refrigerated lorries and then i had a big walk-in freezer here

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and you just well fridge sorry and then you just you just you just put them in and if they stayed

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you know about four degrees they didn't tend to rub against each other is when they started rubbing

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against each other they started to make heat which then killed them which then cascaded and

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i just couldn't get the price up enough to cover those losses as well i employed somebody as well

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and actually it was her that broke the camel's back she asked for a pay rise and i said it just

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isn't there to have so maybe we'll just call it a day so i i was effectively holding the business

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for her just a young young woman with a kid and my work worked really well for her because i was

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very relaxed about when she did the work and she could be here at midnight if she wanted to be

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and so she worked around school and her life and and when she asked me about it just like well i

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I can't do it.

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So we packed it up.

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And then I set up another business doing dog tags,

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which I haven't got any on show.

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So that was 2002, no, no, was that 2008?

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No, 2008 I set up that business.

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So we actually import tags from California.

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i don't know that's a that's a tiny little one we do but they sit on the they sit on the on the

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collars and don't fall off and the story behind that is i had um i've always got quite a few dogs

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as you know and one of them followed somebody into the village it was a german short air pointer

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absolutely stupid followed somebody into the village and they went to a pub and just left

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outside on the main road so it got picked up by a dog warden it got taken to um

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uh so we are we are north wiltshire we're very close to swindon and swindon is his own authority

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so from north wiltshire our dogs are taking about um

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20 miles 15 20 miles to a place called chippenham but when that's full they then go on to bath which

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is again another another another journey and our dog ended up in bath cats and dogs home

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um she had a microchip but the vets didn't know how to scan it there's two sorts of chips apparently

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when you hold two sorts of scanner when you hold the scanner and when you press and release and

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anyway they got it wrong so it ended up in in in bath i found out i was actually making i was

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actually bailing straw in a completely different direction um so i couldn't just leave and then my

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my sister used to play hockey with the dog warden so i got a hold of her name and her her telephone

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and I called her just as she was coming out of bath this was a Friday night and she said there's

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no way I'm going back into the into bath to get your dog sorry John I said that's okay so my my

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wife at the time went down picked up picked up the dog cost us 80 quid to get this dog out the dog

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had lost about 20% of his body weight I mean she was so neurotic German short hair point is a

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neurotic and I said we need to find a better way of tagging this dog and I found this guy in

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California who were doing these amazing tags I bought 10 for my dogs and a couple of a couple

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of my neighbors and then within about two weeks I'd had so many people say to me that's a really

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good idea can you get me one where'd you get them from where'd you get them from so I just sent him

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a message and said can I you know if you've got disputes over here he said no I don't do you want

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to do I said well yeah okay I'll do it so then I set up that business so um and that's still going

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to this day I need to update I don't have much time on it to be honest with you're too busy farming

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but I need to update that that website and get that all going but that we guarantee the dog tags

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the last of the life a lifetime so they're made from surgical grade stainless steel and they don't

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fall they don't they just you can't break them they don't fall off they they just sit there and

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I've you know I've got people I get lots of repeat people saying you know I still got the original

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tag I got for the dog 13 years ago and you know I just seems a bit mean but I keep putting it onto

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new dogs i can have another another one um and we had there's so many uses for them so we could

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sell them we were selling quite a lot to the army um so where they sit on the um well you saw that

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didn't you see it's like an open it's got like opens open ends can you see that yeah that's just

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a mini one um so on the top of the bergens they've got like any any webbing so we up to an up to we do

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up to an inch and so when you're chucking 30 40 60 bergens onto a hercules with all you they all

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look the same they are all the same so these guys are putting on the outside and they could just see

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what their squadron which squadron it was what number it was and they just made it really easy

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for them to distribute and then when they're in in any kind of active service you can just take

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them off and put them on the inside so it worked really really well for them um navy divers had a

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really interesting conversation with a navy diver bomb disposal or i don't know mine i can't remember

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what he says like doing mines and he wanted four i went why do you want why do you need four is

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that like you've got lots of different kit he said no so when i go when i go when we go diving we

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want to make sure all of our bits come back in the same bag if we hit a bomb or a mine like

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oh i'll give you a discount for that so they had like one of one on each arm and one on each wrist

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and um you can't really imagine and um so that that business as there's actually is actually um

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purely because the fact that i haven't spent much time with it is actually

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degraded a little bit the the back end of it is quite complicated with all their

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i don't know or you're with it but i keep trying to get my my website updated but there seems to

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be lots of technical issues whether why they can't do the back end of it i don't know i again

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i pull tits for a living i know bloody now i actually know what that is

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so um and then um my dad died 13 years ago so i took the farm over properly then and um

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i mean i was doing i was probably doing majority of the work anyway just because he was you know

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in his 70s and although i wasn't taking a wage from the farm i was living here i'd inherited my

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grandfather's house and and part of the land so i was i was in i was invested already and then

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years after that i went and started raw milk from the dairy now um i completely changed all of our

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farming techniques we we went from being a what we call a flying herd so you would buy dairy heifers

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two two and a half years old just calved just coming into milk so you and you milk them you

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get them pregnant at some point they calve again the calves would then go on to another farm somebody

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else's farm to to grow up so we were just a milking operation we didn't have any young stock

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or any beef we just had literally all we did was milk cows and we were quite how many would you

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have what would be the size of that operation how many we had about 60 cows then 60 cows right

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and um you know it was a profitable business with low relatively low input um relatively

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low output but it was profitable um they didn't sit well with me constant it was just like a

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you're going to sort of seem like beyond a bit of a treadmill and didn't seem to be

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it didn't seem although we weren't hard on the cows because we never chased yield um

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it was it still just felt wrong so we went from that system to what we call a cow calf system

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where the cows calve they keep the calves for well up to four months um and then we will wean

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or well it'll depend on that that calf i've got a cow at the moment that

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actually it's a cow we brought in which is very rare one of my friends just said i've got

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i've got a heifer that doesn't suit our system she'll suit your do you want to say she's lovely

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a little jersey heifer and she's got a calf but she doesn't seem to have integrated very well into

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the herd so i'll probably just put her back in the field with her calf and just leave it for a year

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and then she will hopefully get a bit more mentally stronger jerseys are normally quite

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mentally strong but this one's a bit of a weed and it gets bullied a lot which is and a heifer

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just so people know heifer is a female young female cow yeah it would be a young male bull

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is that correct yeah yeah so yeah so she actually has got a bullock yeah right a bullock so he's got

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no he's got no testicles i managed to take those off quite early on right okay a steer then if you

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want when when they're older he'd actually be called a sterk at the moment but i'm not going

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to get technical um so um we've we've we've completely changed our process so we don't

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so we keep the calves that stay on their mums for at least four months um i do have a few i have to

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send off because i just can't keep expanding the herd so a few go off um to somebody else's farm

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so um and the whole the whole story that we'll we'll go through is why some of the reasons i

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I've changed my farming techniques

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is because of my own journey.

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And that's probably,

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it probably better if I start with my journey So I got 46 fat um uh quite inflamed you can see it i got a picture i

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think i showed you my picture did i did i show you my fat picture no i didn't see that i'll send it

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to you see you on screen see how fat i was um and one of my customers is a like a holistic um

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i can't remember what they call themselves naturopath kind of they yeah he was a he was a

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a um personal coach like a gym coach fitness was his thing he'd get you fit

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and he realized that all of the things he was been and been taught of how to get

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you fit were it was just generic and it didn't actually have any kind of bespoke um

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meanings behind it so he was he was literally just doing the same thing you know you do half

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an hour on a treadmill you do half an hour and i don't know exactly what he did but that's the

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sort of thing and he realized that that wasn't working and so he started doing blood samples to

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find out where people where people's bodies work he said you can't do a program for somebody if

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they if you haven't got the whole all of the information you know they might be um

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pounding the streets for half an hour but the body's so inflamed all their body's going to say

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is right we need to protect ourselves so keep the weight on so he does these these tests to find out

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whether you've got imbalances and he'd been dropping the seed with me for a long time

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he he was telling me i was fat and inflamed without telling me i was flat and fat and inflamed

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whatever man um and i'll put a link to i'll give you a link to his website because he's he's he's

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changed my life and a lot of other people's lives a lot of my customers lives as well as in the same

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musician I was so he um did the blood test he did and my business partner Sarah and um so I was

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diabetic I had very low vitamin d which was a surprise because I'm outside all of the time

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but I had skin cancer 27 years ago so they tell you to hide from the sun cover everything up

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you know peaked cap and which actually I found out it was completely the opposite of what you

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should be doing anyway and i'll go through that too and then um i had very high ferritin now yes

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so that's the face i poured what the hell's ferritin what the hell is ferritin it's stored

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iron so you've got heme iron which you use for your daily daily and then your stored iron so i'm

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assuming that years ago we wouldn't have had access to it our ancestors and it depends where

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your ancestry comes from as to how how much you you actually need and i um my levels were in the

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600s um my research showed that it should be below 100 you've heard of iva cummings yes yes so he did

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it he's one of the guys he works for was high ferritin had a heart attack couldn't work out why

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and it was high ferritin high ferritin will harden your arteries but there's no magic pill

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so you don't hear about it you only hear about the magic pills statins and whatever else um

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so the only way to reduce your ferritin is to actually give blood you need to dilute your blood

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and anyway so i went to the doctor and i said look my levels are six six 78

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because i have skin cancer i can't go to the blood service so though my only option is to

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pay somebody to come out so i went there and i said to him you know can you refer me to i think

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You've got to be referred to gastronomy or something like that.

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And he said, we won't do anything until you get to a thousand.

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I'm like, yeah, but I don't want to be in your system.

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This is why I'm preempting.

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I don't want to be a statistic.

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I want to be keep away from it.

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And he wouldn't do it.

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And we had an argument.

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Basically, he said, no, we won't do anything until it gets to a thousand.

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And I said, well, that's just bloody ridiculous.

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So I subsequently found out that the medical profession is not there to make you well.

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It's there to just solve the symptoms.

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And, you know, when I worked that out, it made me realise that I just don't go to the doctors anymore unless I break something or cut something.

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It's, you know, they are not in they are not working to your interest.

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And to be fair, I don't even know that they're trained that way and they don't even realise what their symptoms soothing rather than trying to cure anybody.

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Well, a cured a cured customer as a patient. Yeah. Sorry. A cured patient as a customer lost.

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John D. Rockefeller.

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I want that. I want you to keep going in.

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That's a direct Rockefeller quote for those that are wondering.

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yeah so i um so i found somebody that could lose me some blood cost me 130 pounds a pint

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um and what we tend to do is when he comes here he wouldn't let me keep it that's the bad thing i

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was going to feed it to the pigs or something at least to get some use out of it um so when he

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comes here we then ian guy that i work with and a load of my customers or anybody he's got there

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on the program will come here and they would they have their bloods taken here so he'll take a pint

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of mine and then however many files he needs to for for Ian I think we did 13 people last time he

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was here um so then obviously I found out I had these things out of range and Ian basically said

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to me that I was because I was diabetic I needed to stop eating the sugar now I my sugar intake was

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incredible I gotta say it was pretty impressive so I could I would eat every two hours and I would

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get anxious if I didn't know where I was going to be in two hours time whether there's going to be

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food at that spot um because my sugar lows were so severe I'd actually have to sit down or lean

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against something and I didn't last very long 20-30 seconds but it was enough like a real if I was

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driving I'd have to stop because it's like whoa it was it really drain everything from you and he

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said to me you've got to stop spiking your insulin you keep spiking your insulin like you do your

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pancreas is just going to pack up and you're going to be diabetic and you're it's you don't

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want to be going down that road john so he suggested what i should be eating which was

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basically very very little sugar ketosis ketogenic diet so we did that for a few months and then i

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realized actually that was quite easy because i didn't feel hungry anymore because it was the

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sugar that was giving me the hunger pangs you know constantly up and down all day what so what

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were you eating like what were what were the sugary treats like you know before yeah oh well

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you've been to my shop we used to sell flapjack shortbread um uh we used to have a guy make these

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beautiful we call them tractor snacks and they were it was just basically a pure sugar bar you

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know so you always had one of those on you like i'd be milking i'd run over and get one you know

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the calling to me it's just like a i couldn't oh come to me yeah i couldn't resist it real sugar

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addict carb addict absolute carb addict you know white bread shortbread bloody crisps and anything

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i could stuff in my face that i thought was my mistake was i wasn't giving myself nutrition i

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was giving myself fuel and it wasn't good fuel it was just getting fuel to the next to the next

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meal so and that's where the sugar come you know you go in these sugar spikes i mean i would i've

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got some land just away from the farm and i would go and pick up on because i passed a shop on the

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way i would pick up three outers of um sorry an outer of three packets of maryland cookies

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because let's face it they are the most delicious thing in the planet um a six pack of knickknacks

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and two liters of fizzy drink and no matter how much time i spent on my my land away from the farm

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i only ever came back with empty packets because i just it was just a there's no off button for me

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you know i'm i'm john i'm a karma i'm a car carb addict and i can't do anything about it

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literally i couldn't i could not stop it's just an absolute so i need to remove it from myself so

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what i did i went carnivore and so i'm in a very lucky position that i was growing everything i was

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eating it was it was a really nice position to know just what's late today well i'm a bit more

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beef and i'll have a bit of pig and add eggs add milk the other milk does have um lactase lactose

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in it so that has a bit of sugar but um as it's in natural form i i allow myself that but what i

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found was i was never hungry i've gone from being hungry every two hours to being literally if i

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didn't eat in 36 hours it didn't matter my body I had enough left left fat and my body

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my body was satiated and obviously I do high quality protein and fat so that was even even

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better and it's one of the easiest things I've ever done how quickly did that weight fall away

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um six months I lost five stone five stone in kilos for American listeners so I think I was 113

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something like that

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in 6 months

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and it didn't hurt

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there was no pain

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and that was the thing that was

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was there a week of headaches

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getting away from the sugar

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2 months of headache

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that was the painful part of it

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but then when I knew

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that that's just my body

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trying to cleanse itself

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it's you know you live with a bit of pain when you know it's not gonna not gonna go on forever

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um but the pain the perceived pain that i thought i was going to get was be hunger

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hunger was one of my anxieties you know if i didn't have hunger then i was going to the sugar

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loads and i was going to be somebody just find me like expired on the floor without any sugar

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they'd have to pump some sugar into my veins you know that's that's that's how strong that feeling

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was so when i found out i just wasn't actually diagnosed as diabetic in air quotes or no yeah

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I was well into the

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so 42 is

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the limit, 42 for the

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and I was 49

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way in. And now

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are you considered non-diabetic?

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No, I'm not diabetic anymore

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I've brought my levels down. Amazing

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So you can reverse type 2 diabetes

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it's actually relatively easy

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Don't believe what they tell you

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don't be taking all those pills

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you don't need the bloody things

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same with statins statins that just i think it's one in 140 people it works for and even then it's

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just the biggest earner for the get to 15 these statins you know don't take them because they're

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just evil um as far as far as i'm concerned i'm not a doctor don't take my don't take my uh

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you know this is all for entertainment purposes um and so um i sorted out my diabetes uh my

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Ferritin was harder because it took me a while just because I was trying to get the NHS to help me with that process.

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So that took a bit more of a while to get down.

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And that's that's I'm still I'm still now taking taking blood regularly just to try and to get the levels down.

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So if you I don't know, do you get blood?

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No, I've never had any kind of blood tests or anything just to see.

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It's one of these things where I guess you do that probably too late.

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something happens and then you want to find out rather than you know i should be pre-empting this

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kind of stuff and go and do some blood work and see what see what's up yeah yeah well ian would

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probably be a perfect um uh interviewee for you as well he um he his knowledge is vast on this sort of stuff and you know we we of an age where things start to break or they all it all starts to show when

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you i mean i was 46 when i started my journey or everything that's compounded over the last 45 or

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so years right it's just a building block on top of building block right yeah i'm gonna have to

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chat with this chap of yours ian so i'll get your i'll get his details afterwards

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yeah he'd be very good he'd be very good for you now he's quite local to me and um

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so um like the vitamin d obviously i then had to supplement for vitamin d just like an emergency

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get my get my numbers up and so i started reading books on vitamin d that's how sad it got because

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when you start realizing everything you've been told is a lie about diets the whole inversion of

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the food pyramid you start like asking yourself well what so i so i read a book on vitamin d and

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it's it's a um i'll think of his name in a minute i'll share it with or i'll show you

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show you the book and he did experiments of going up to 100 000 i use a day actually it'll probably

395
00:36:18,955 --> 00:36:28,495
be quite easy for me to get that um as long as that doesn't sound off um and could you just pull

396
00:36:28,495 --> 00:36:35,075
your camera down a little bit john just like that that's it yeah uh vitamin d um the essential guide

397
00:36:35,075 --> 00:36:41,475
to vitamin d or no no it's our vitamin d it was the miraculous results of extremely high doses of

398
00:36:41,475 --> 00:36:51,815
vitamin d by jeff t bowles yeah that's a catchy title isn't it and you know he he he um the book

399
00:36:51,815 --> 00:36:57,455
just made me realize i mean it's silly isn't it how you always come back to basics where whichever

400
00:36:57,455 --> 00:37:03,095
way you go you can be as complicated as you like but actually we're just animals and we just need

401
00:37:03,095 --> 00:37:11,255
to be observed or respectful of where we come from so our our my ancestors i did a genetic

402
00:37:11,255 --> 00:37:17,735
test to find out whereabouts i was where my genes come from because that's going to be important

403
00:37:17,735 --> 00:37:21,755
too because if you're you know your genes are near to the equator then you're you're going to be

404
00:37:21,755 --> 00:37:29,095
probably able to cope with um sugar better than somebody in the northern hemisphere so my ancestors

405
00:37:29,095 --> 00:37:37,075
as i said before were here for generations so and sarah um her she's blonde hair blue eyes

406
00:37:37,075 --> 00:37:45,955
she's scandinavian i'm pointing north and um so we shouldn't have we shouldn't eat kiwi fruit

407
00:37:45,955 --> 00:37:58,755
bananas we would never have been subjected to that so insulin is there to put fat into your cells

408
00:37:58,755 --> 00:38:07,055
and the reason that we have well i'm assuming the reason we we evolved that way evolved even if

409
00:38:07,055 --> 00:38:13,055
evolution is real again i kind of start blowing my mind with all this yes stuff and all the rest of

410
00:38:13,055 --> 00:38:25,155
it but um so when we sugar insulin is putting fat into our cells and we are as a species supposed to

411
00:38:25,155 --> 00:38:30,135
fluctuate in weight so we would like this time of year you go out you eat your berries you eat your

412
00:38:30,135 --> 00:38:34,415
apples although apples that we would have had centuries ago wouldn't be like the apples we've

413
00:38:34,415 --> 00:38:41,415
got now they would have been less sweet um so all the berries and the easiest analogy is just to

414
00:38:41,415 --> 00:38:46,895
think you're a bear because bears get fat at the end of the thing and you see them sitting around

415
00:38:46,895 --> 00:38:54,055
with a great big bellies sad syndrome seasonal adjustment disorder is the process the bears go

416
00:38:54,055 --> 00:39:01,815
through so the vitamin d drops your body goes ah we're going to be having a lean period soon so you

417
00:39:01,815 --> 00:39:06,615
need to eat as much as you can and do as little as you can so i used to suffer with sad syndrome

418
00:39:06,615 --> 00:39:13,395
before and it's a vitamin d deficiency effectively so you all you want to do is just eat shit and get

419
00:39:13,395 --> 00:39:19,655
fat which um is your body's natural defense mechanism against a very lean period that's coming

420
00:39:19,655 --> 00:39:31,215
So, you know, where we are now, the only time I would have had access to carbohydrates through fruit, fructose, would have been for these few short months that we're in now.

421
00:39:31,375 --> 00:39:33,795
So end of summer, early autumn.

422
00:39:34,535 --> 00:39:38,575
And then we wouldn't have eaten any carbohydrates for the rest of the year.

423
00:39:38,655 --> 00:39:44,695
So we would have put on weight and we would have probably spent a lot of time foraging because it would have tasted good.

424
00:39:45,775 --> 00:39:48,235
And so it made me realize how we're just animals.

425
00:39:48,235 --> 00:39:56,055
so this whole five a day bollocks it's just a marketing term and i was i was as guilty as

426
00:39:56,055 --> 00:40:00,855
everybody else so you go into a supermarket and you're must have five of these and you're just a

427
00:40:00,855 --> 00:40:05,315
fucking zombie you're just sorry i'm sorry does you just we walk into the supermarkets and you just do

428
00:40:05,315 --> 00:40:11,495
what the marketeers tell you to do yep you don't need it it actually our requirement for

429
00:40:11,495 --> 00:40:18,595
carbohydrates actually is zero and it's zero because we don't ever have food shortages anymore

430
00:40:18,595 --> 00:40:23,295
you know our ancestors would have struggled to get through the winter unless they were very good

431
00:40:23,295 --> 00:40:30,575
hunters but they had that much fat that it kept them warm and it was fuel on board so i heard a

432
00:40:30,575 --> 00:40:37,555
professor professor tim noakes he's a south african guy he gave us talk he gave a talk to

433
00:40:37,555 --> 00:40:41,215
the South African beef producers association or something like that.

434
00:40:41,295 --> 00:40:43,295
And it was all about our ancestry and,

435
00:40:43,375 --> 00:40:46,575
or our ancestors and why beef was a really important part of the,

436
00:40:46,575 --> 00:40:47,315
part of the diet.

437
00:40:47,515 --> 00:40:48,635
So he's carnivore as well,

438
00:40:48,655 --> 00:40:48,995
by the way,

439
00:40:49,215 --> 00:40:51,135
he wasn't before he was very much carb.

440
00:40:52,715 --> 00:40:55,995
He used to give advice for like ultra,

441
00:40:56,255 --> 00:40:59,455
ultra athletes on carb loading and stuff.

442
00:40:59,455 --> 00:41:01,055
And then he realized he'd made a complete mistake.

443
00:41:01,875 --> 00:41:03,355
And he,

444
00:41:03,495 --> 00:41:03,775
he,

445
00:41:03,835 --> 00:41:07,235
he was the one that basically he put an analogy,

446
00:41:07,235 --> 00:41:11,635
it's like like a dual fuel car so you've got an electric car and you've got a petrol car

447
00:41:11,635 --> 00:41:18,935
sorry hybrid and so you you plug the battery in before you go off in the mornings you

448
00:41:18,935 --> 00:41:24,275
go and do i don't know 200 miles you look at your battery your your the battery's half

449
00:41:24,275 --> 00:41:31,175
empty or half full and then you get your meal deal so you plug your battery back in you have your

450
00:41:31,175 --> 00:41:36,555
your white bread sandwich your fizzy drink and your biscuit chocolate bar so the battery's full

451
00:41:36,555 --> 00:41:40,235
up again then you do whatever you got to do you drive home you get home you look at your battery

452
00:41:40,235 --> 00:41:45,355
oh it's half full so then you have your evening meal with your suite you never turn the petrol

453
00:41:45,355 --> 00:41:50,875
engine on and that's the bit that we carry around our bellies that we're constantly carrying on and

454
00:41:50,875 --> 00:41:55,295
getting fatter and fatter we never turn the engine on and until you turn the engine on you're never

455
00:41:55,295 --> 00:41:59,855
going to get rid of your fat you can go and treadmill as much as you like you might burn a few

456
00:41:59,855 --> 00:42:04,075
but until you actually your body actually starts using that fuel as it's supposed to be used

457
00:42:04,075 --> 00:42:08,435
which is our well how our ancestors would have used it when our ancestors would have been in

458
00:42:08,435 --> 00:42:13,795
ketosis for most of the year but apart from the bit they were eating the um the fruits and

459
00:42:13,795 --> 00:42:19,235
like i learned about fasting and how important fasting is because our ancestors didn't have

460
00:42:19,235 --> 00:42:24,595
cancer because their bodies naturally took all those cells out through autophagy so you go into

461
00:42:24,595 --> 00:42:30,755
you know 18 hours you start again into ketosis the more time you don't eat for and a lot of my

462
00:42:30,755 --> 00:42:36,595
customers don't eat for a week at a time um they um your body scavenges all of the dead cells and

463
00:42:36,595 --> 00:42:39,795
all the stuff is going well this isn't looking right so we'll eat that we'll use that as fuel

464
00:42:39,795 --> 00:42:44,915
so the body starts eating itself but it takes all of the crap out at the same time

465
00:42:44,915 --> 00:42:51,195
i don't hear that in any medical uh no there's no medical people saying you know you need to fast

466
00:42:51,195 --> 00:42:58,655
no they're saying eat three times a day and eat five lots of fruit and it's just bollocks breakfast

467
00:42:58,655 --> 00:43:00,715
is the most important meal of the day, John.

468
00:43:01,675 --> 00:43:04,135
I haven't eaten breakfast for years.

469
00:43:04,835 --> 00:43:06,435
It's such a psyop.

470
00:43:06,655 --> 00:43:08,635
And, you know, that breakfast, of course,

471
00:43:08,635 --> 00:43:12,375
is like a bowl of shitty fucking white water,

472
00:43:12,555 --> 00:43:14,175
let's call it, because it's not milk,

473
00:43:14,675 --> 00:43:19,175
over-dried, like, just crap cereals

474
00:43:19,175 --> 00:43:21,075
that have been sprayed with glyphosate

475
00:43:21,075 --> 00:43:23,335
and God knows what else, and monocropped.

476
00:43:24,475 --> 00:43:25,855
That is...

477
00:43:25,855 --> 00:43:27,735
Mate, don't get me going on the Weetabix

478
00:43:27,735 --> 00:43:33,275
and the advertising we were subjected to growing up thinking you know that's going to make you

479
00:43:33,275 --> 00:43:39,895
strong or the the porridge right the ready break and all this kind of stuff dust dust soaked in

480
00:43:39,895 --> 00:43:46,035
like pasteurized milk is going to set you up for the day but our mothers fell for it yeah

481
00:43:46,035 --> 00:43:50,215
yeah it's not their fault my mum used to be my mum used to meet me from school with a curly

482
00:43:50,215 --> 00:43:55,115
whirly and a mars bar yeah we'd be off our tits before we got back to the farm yeah and then we

483
00:43:55,115 --> 00:43:59,635
were hungry an hour later and like oh yeah come have your tea and then you know well yeah i'm

484
00:43:59,635 --> 00:44:03,815
that's the way but they didn't they didn't know so i don't i don't blame them for it because they

485
00:44:03,815 --> 00:44:08,135
were told you know across some point we're told to that smoking was healthy but actually now i

486
00:44:08,135 --> 00:44:11,535
found out that nicotine is actually really healthy for i know mate that's a rabbit hole

487
00:44:11,535 --> 00:44:17,175
which is the addictive shit they put in it which is the bad stuff and the filter you suck it through

488
00:44:17,175 --> 00:44:23,795
which is all chemical freaking wool and oh god god knows what like you know yeah so listen guys if

489
00:44:23,795 --> 00:44:29,215
you're gonna smoke please get organic tobacco roll your own or just the best quality cigar you

490
00:44:29,215 --> 00:44:34,555
can find and you you'll likely be fine yeah absolutely yes again we're not medical so we

491
00:44:34,555 --> 00:44:41,115
don't know that for a fact no certainly not so so this whole the whole journey with the uh with my

492
00:44:41,115 --> 00:44:46,375
body and then working out working out that i've been told a lie for so many years about what what

493
00:44:46,375 --> 00:44:50,315
is healthy what isn't healthy i mean what's really sad dan is i didn't even think i was fat

494
00:44:50,315 --> 00:44:55,795
all right i just thought i got to middle age you know i was 46 years old of course i was going to

495
00:44:55,795 --> 00:44:59,915
put on a bit of weight you know because that's what everybody does isn't it and you know when

496
00:44:59,915 --> 00:45:08,835
you realize that that doesn't have to be the case at all so then so that journey about a year after

497
00:45:08,835 --> 00:45:14,795
that journey i was looking at what i was doing with the cows and i just it just kind of maybe

498
00:45:14,795 --> 00:45:17,935
what we've been told about the cows is all alive as well then and i started looking and thinking

499
00:45:17,935 --> 00:45:23,215
about their diets and what their ancestral diets would have been and it's grass basically they just

500
00:45:23,215 --> 00:45:32,115
eat grass and i was putting all sorts of human waste from the human um processes you know um

501
00:45:32,115 --> 00:45:42,975
brewer's grains and and and cotton seed flax seed meal or or waste products that we were just

502
00:45:42,975 --> 00:45:49,115
disposing of through the cow and what about what like corn or rape does that make it in as well

503
00:45:49,115 --> 00:45:54,355
sometimes yeah yeah yeah rapeseed yeah yeah when they take like they put this is one of the psyops

504
00:45:54,355 --> 00:46:04,795
that like the um like the whole kind of okay they eat fucking grass that's it that's it but you you

505
00:46:04,795 --> 00:46:11,035
you hear people telling you oh this this field of crops is being grown for uh for cattle like maize

506
00:46:11,035 --> 00:46:15,955
for example you've been growing for cattle that that goes into animal feed or sugar beet and all

507
00:46:15,955 --> 00:46:21,755
this kind of stuff oh it goes into animal feed and you're like what that doesn't make any sense

508
00:46:21,755 --> 00:46:27,575
at all none no you're growing the rape and you're growing the corn for the high fructose corn syrup

509
00:46:27,575 --> 00:46:34,135
and for the the seed oils that are slowly killing everybody yeah and then you're gaslighting people

510
00:46:34,135 --> 00:46:39,955
into saying well it's all great because we take the corn and then we feed it to the cows and it's

511
00:46:39,955 --> 00:46:52,455
No, that doesn't make any sense at all. They should be stood on this pasture, eating the grass that's growing on it, not this monocrop that we are spending. You'll probably know more than me. How many tens?

512
00:46:52,473 --> 00:46:59,613
of thousands of gallons of diesel does it take to rake a field plow a field drill a field spray a

513
00:46:59,613 --> 00:47:04,273
field harvest a field then once the harvest is done you're only getting off the the corn then

514
00:47:04,273 --> 00:47:08,613
you've got to go and cut down everything else then you've got to bail the fucking thing then

515
00:47:08,613 --> 00:47:14,573
you've got to transport it somewhere else what we could have had 50 cows walking around feeding a

516
00:47:14,573 --> 00:47:23,093
village like absolutely it is it is actually quite quite bonkers when you start um just close that

517
00:47:23,093 --> 00:47:29,653
door it's making a noise thank you um when you when you start realizing the how ridiculous it all

518
00:47:29,653 --> 00:47:33,933
is then you start you you've got to start questioning the whole thing i mean i know some

519
00:47:33,933 --> 00:47:37,713
cereal farmers they're they're not even getting paid the cost of production for their stuff they

520
00:47:37,713 --> 00:47:43,173
do all that well you i don't know if you've seen clarkson's farm i have so i mean you know what's

521
00:47:43,173 --> 00:47:44,993
That first year he made 144 quid.

522
00:47:46,033 --> 00:47:47,173
For all of that work.

523
00:47:47,753 --> 00:47:48,673
With subsidies.

524
00:47:49,053 --> 00:47:50,353
With subsidies as well.

525
00:47:50,493 --> 00:47:50,773
With subsidies.

526
00:47:51,053 --> 00:47:51,393
Absolutely.

527
00:47:51,873 --> 00:47:52,393
This is the.

528
00:47:52,613 --> 00:47:53,613
Subsidies are divisive.

529
00:47:53,993 --> 00:47:54,293
Yes.

530
00:47:54,473 --> 00:47:56,233
I mean, you know, they came out in 1982.

531
00:47:56,573 --> 00:47:57,533
I remember when they came out.

532
00:47:57,573 --> 00:47:58,133
I was at college.

533
00:47:58,773 --> 00:47:58,953
And.

534
00:48:00,233 --> 00:48:02,833
Well, I remember my dad being quite unhappy about the whole thing.

535
00:48:03,553 --> 00:48:04,433
And he said.

536
00:48:06,093 --> 00:48:09,433
He said to me when it all happened, he said, they're just going to take it back.

537
00:48:09,833 --> 00:48:11,153
I didn't really understand what he meant.

538
00:48:11,153 --> 00:48:17,013
it meant about a penny and a half a litre to us put for the for the milk over the course of a year

539
00:48:17,013 --> 00:48:24,773
and he um he was dead right because about three or four months after we it may have been a bit

540
00:48:24,773 --> 00:48:31,873
longer six months after we had this subsidy the supermarket said to the dairy companies right

541
00:48:31,873 --> 00:48:36,573
we're dropping your price of penny and half a litre they literally took it straight back

542
00:48:36,573 --> 00:48:42,433
is money laundering it was just straightforward absolute outright money laundering the

543
00:48:42,433 --> 00:48:47,493
supermarkets in with the government said right we give all the farmers these money

544
00:48:47,493 --> 00:48:52,533
they'll be then the poor poor relative because we have to give them money to be able to produce food

545
00:48:52,533 --> 00:48:57,653
everyone's going to hate them so we can then divide people from the farmer because let's face it you

546
00:48:57,653 --> 00:49:02,473
hear a lot of people say well you do work for nothing yeah as farmer you get subsidies for

547
00:49:02,473 --> 00:49:06,433
doing nothing yep we don't want the bloody subsidies we don't want to pay for what we do

548
00:49:06,433 --> 00:49:15,133
and um and so they were sending money to brussels your money to brussels taking a bit of it sending

549
00:49:15,133 --> 00:49:18,733
it a bit of it back but then giving it like effectively straight back to the supermarket

550
00:49:18,733 --> 00:49:22,873
and then we've got to jump through all these bloody hoops to get it i mean i still take it

551
00:49:22,873 --> 00:49:27,653
i have no choice i have to take it i'll be bust otherwise i'm trying to work my way out of it

552
00:49:27,653 --> 00:49:35,113
um and it's it's so divisive because you you ask anybody oh yeah you never see a poor farmer

553
00:49:35,113 --> 00:49:40,673
that's what that's what people believe they believe all the farmers are rich it's just insane

554
00:49:40,673 --> 00:49:46,593
you're like what are you talking about i i i could show you i could take you to a whole raft

555
00:49:46,593 --> 00:49:50,793
of people around here who are not wealthy our problem is we're wealthy on paper

556
00:49:50,793 --> 00:49:55,753
but the only time you because you can realize that wealth is when you're not a farmer

557
00:49:55,753 --> 00:50:02,313
so i sell it all then i'm effectively it's like any any other person yes i've just got wealth

558
00:50:02,313 --> 00:50:08,293
but i'm not a farmer then this is my farmers here's the thing as well the most recent

559
00:50:08,293 --> 00:50:16,333
divisive thing is farmers are being trapped into taking money up front for like 99 year leases on

560
00:50:16,333 --> 00:50:22,513
acres of land to put in a solar farm in air quotes like they use the word farm after the

561
00:50:22,513 --> 00:50:28,633
word solo and it sounds great and all the normies think it's brilliant and now now and then then

562
00:50:28,633 --> 00:50:34,513
they get angry oh he he accepted how many hundreds of thousands of pounds straight up front oh he's

563
00:50:34,513 --> 00:50:38,373
got to be filthy rich and blah blah blah now he's wrecking house now he's wrecking our countryside

564
00:50:38,373 --> 00:50:46,773
so it's so easy to to dissociate uh the the general populace from the farmer and they have

565
00:50:46,773 --> 00:50:50,353
Like the mob rule is just so kind of like blinkered.

566
00:50:50,913 --> 00:50:52,793
They can't think for themselves.

567
00:50:52,913 --> 00:50:55,733
They're herd animals, right, to use a farming analogy.

568
00:50:56,253 --> 00:51:02,593
And when you see the psyops, I mean, I don't listen to mainstream news or radio.

569
00:51:03,013 --> 00:51:07,333
I had the misfortune of actually turning on in where somebody else was driving my track and they left the radio on.

570
00:51:07,413 --> 00:51:11,393
And as I got in there, it came on and it was a local radio.

571
00:51:11,653 --> 00:51:15,113
And this advert came on and it was from DEFRA.

572
00:51:16,773 --> 00:51:22,133
And the advert went something along the lines of, do you own land?

573
00:51:23,093 --> 00:51:26,513
We can plant trees. We'll give you £10,000 an acre.

574
00:51:28,753 --> 00:51:30,753
Contact us if you do.

575
00:51:30,753 --> 00:51:35,753
And I thought that's really odd because DEFRA knows every single farm.

576
00:51:35,853 --> 00:51:39,613
We've all got holding numbers. They know exactly who we are, where we are.

577
00:51:39,613 --> 00:51:46,933
they can mail us direct if they wanted to but they're putting an advert on mainstream media

578
00:51:46,933 --> 00:51:50,973
why are they doing that well i know exactly why they're doing that it's because you then think

579
00:51:50,973 --> 00:51:56,613
fucking farmers 10 000 pound an acre yeah wow they've really got it easy haven't they

580
00:51:56,613 --> 00:52:02,453
there was no reason to put that on on mainstream media on the mainstream advertising bit and for

581
00:52:02,453 --> 00:52:07,513
those listening for those listening defra stands for department for environment food and rural

582
00:52:07,513 --> 00:52:13,873
affairs so it is a government it's a government department so you've now got them they're paying

583
00:52:13,873 --> 00:52:20,153
for the ad space as well right so that they're using public money to pay for the ad space to put

584
00:52:20,153 --> 00:52:26,733
on the radio to psyop the people that have been taxed for that money in the first place into

585
00:52:26,733 --> 00:52:32,213
hating the people that are producing their food yep the like the psyops are endless and you know

586
00:52:32,213 --> 00:52:36,813
this isn't just happening in britain this is happening globally globally yeah it's global

587
00:52:36,813 --> 00:52:41,793
but it's a great way because the there's there's there's two things going on first of all you need

588
00:52:41,793 --> 00:52:47,333
to add a control to populace and by doing that you need to control the food but also farmers are

589
00:52:47,333 --> 00:52:52,413
really dangerous because we can produce our own food we make decisions every day hard decisions

590
00:52:52,413 --> 00:52:58,273
so we you know we'll make a decision on something very quickly if we if we if we have to we've nearly

591
00:52:58,273 --> 00:53:05,113
always got arms we can nearly always protect ourselves um and we're dangerous because if and

592
00:53:05,113 --> 00:53:11,353
that's that's why they're trying to reduce us but in numbers so and i think i may i may have said to

593
00:53:11,353 --> 00:53:15,893
you when you're here i'm not sure i had a guy come here and food security is one of my issues

594
00:53:15,893 --> 00:53:20,713
i had a guy come here once and i said well it was after um

595
00:53:20,713 --> 00:53:29,493
were you in the country when beast from the east was here 2018 no so we had a weather event february

596
00:53:29,493 --> 00:53:37,593
2018 we had a it was an easterly wind and it was we got down to minus 14 here i had when i was

597
00:53:37,593 --> 00:53:43,613
milking the parlour was freezing as i was milking so it's like the milk was freezing in the pipes

598
00:53:43,613 --> 00:53:47,353
i've never had anything like that that's just mental milk comes out at 40 degrees and it was

599
00:53:47,353 --> 00:53:56,253
freezing before it was getting up the pipes which was just mental and there was there was snow no

600
00:53:56,253 --> 00:54:01,493
there's no milk in our village so we put a shout out on social media to say we've got milk if you

601
00:54:01,493 --> 00:54:09,213
need milk um and people started coming and it was a great it was a great three days where we sold out

602
00:54:09,213 --> 00:54:13,873
of milk and that's when we still had a tanker coming tanker couldn't make it through so we said

603
00:54:13,873 --> 00:54:18,713
like tanker's not coming there's no milk we are licensed to sell raw milk if you want some milk

604
00:54:18,713 --> 00:54:22,993
and people were coming in their hordes they were having snowball fights on the way they were walking

605
00:54:22,993 --> 00:54:31,033
a couple of miles some of them it was a it was an outing and it was great and put us on the business

606
00:54:31,033 --> 00:54:40,333
map and afterwards um I said to Sarah my business partner I said that's really scared me she said

607
00:54:40,333 --> 00:54:45,453
why that's it's been a brilliant three days we're on the map you know lots of new customers I went

608
00:54:45,453 --> 00:54:51,953
what happens when these people have a proper weather event which means they can't get any

609
00:54:51,953 --> 00:54:58,593
food for two three four weeks i can remember times like in my child at 82 when we had snow

610
00:54:58,593 --> 00:55:04,493
drifts and we couldn't go to school for 10 days brilliant we had so much fun but our parents our

611
00:55:04,493 --> 00:55:10,933
grandparents our great-grandparents had enough food in their larder they didn't matter if they

612
00:55:10,933 --> 00:55:16,533
were out of three months you know and the irony is they build these houses with these massive

613
00:55:16,533 --> 00:55:22,353
kitchens but nowhere to store any fucking food no one knows how to cook and it's just that we've got

614
00:55:22,353 --> 00:55:26,953
this weird situation and i i said to i said so that's actually really scared me because if we

615
00:55:26,953 --> 00:55:33,493
if we get to a situation where after the two weeks when everybody's larders or all of their cupboards

616
00:55:33,493 --> 00:55:37,553
are bags all the tins have been used and all the stuff that they wouldn't normally eat bottom of

617
00:55:37,553 --> 00:55:43,073
the freezer's gone these people are going to start getting hungry and when they get hungry people

618
00:55:43,073 --> 00:55:48,873
hungry people do desperate things and i had a guy come and i said to him he had a wife and two kids

619
00:55:48,873 --> 00:55:52,813
he didn't have the kids with him he had he just him and his wife we got talking i said so

620
00:55:52,813 --> 00:55:58,833
if we have a instance where you can get the supermarkets completely bare i mean they'll be

621
00:55:58,833 --> 00:56:04,553
within six hours let's face it if something happens where are you going to go for your food

622
00:56:04,553 --> 00:56:09,873
when she says that these two kids haven't eaten for a week they're screaming because they're

623
00:56:09,873 --> 00:56:14,173
really hungry she's putting pressure on you to go and get food I said where are you going to go

624
00:56:14,173 --> 00:56:17,913
and he flippantly said well I'll come here and I said well piss off because I've got 80 people

625
00:56:17,913 --> 00:56:20,953
ahead of you that have been coming here for a few years they're going to get first dibs

626
00:56:20,953 --> 00:56:24,693
if there's anything left maybe but I wouldn't guarantee it because it's not going to be you

627
00:56:24,693 --> 00:56:29,693
it's going to be the 280 other thousand people that are very very close to me wanting it as well

628
00:56:29,693 --> 00:56:38,153
so I said where are you going to go and he went I don't know and I said that is your problem you

629
00:56:38,153 --> 00:56:42,513
you need to make sure you have somewhere you can go or you've got enough stores to cope with that

630
00:56:42,513 --> 00:56:48,573
he never came back never saw him again i think i scared him off too much but it made me realize

631
00:56:48,573 --> 00:56:54,533
like i said we got swindon right on our right on our doorstep and you know i've got towns all around

632
00:56:54,533 --> 00:57:00,553
and there's there's a couple of people doing milk but we wouldn't be able to produce we wouldn't be

633
00:57:00,553 --> 00:57:06,953
able to do half a percent of those people quarter of a percent of those people so i realized i was

634
00:57:06,953 --> 00:57:13,793
a target i was going to i was actually in quite a vulnerable position because when desperate men

635
00:57:13,793 --> 00:57:18,073
when that wife tells him he hasn't you don't come back without food you're going to be coming to me

636
00:57:18,073 --> 00:57:20,853
saying i want some milk i'm going to say piss off and he goes no that's not the right answer i'm

637
00:57:20,853 --> 00:57:26,533
going to get you can't give him that answer it has to be yes and i got 50 guys behind him saying

638
00:57:26,533 --> 00:57:30,013
well i want food just too and you've got food walking around on four legs out there you're

639
00:57:30,013 --> 00:57:32,793
gonna fucking kill it and i want to i want some of it and i'll take it back with me now

640
00:57:32,793 --> 00:57:39,273
and I realized you know it actually quite scared me because I realized that I was going to be put in

641
00:57:39,273 --> 00:57:45,193
in potentially into a you know we get martial law if that happens it'll happen like that look

642
00:57:45,193 --> 00:57:49,153
at bog rolls look what people are doing over bog rolls they're fighting in supermarkets over

643
00:57:49,153 --> 00:57:55,193
a an item that didn't even relate to the fake pandemic that they were saying you know you

644
00:57:55,193 --> 00:58:01,773
didn't get shit because you got covered it's just like why was why was that so that made me realize

645
00:58:01,773 --> 00:58:08,153
how disconnected these people are from reality and there are a lot of npcs walking around you

646
00:58:08,153 --> 00:58:12,693
know we saw it during covid they are the ones that are going to come and get you and i i watched

647
00:58:12,693 --> 00:58:22,933
louis ferroux do a a he did a story on the deep preppers in alabama i remember watching it and i

648
00:58:22,933 --> 00:58:26,293
feel guilty you know it must have been like 25 years ago 30 years ago something like that and i

649
00:58:26,293 --> 00:58:29,973
remember watching it thinking these blokes are off their fucking heads like you know they got

650
00:58:29,973 --> 00:58:42,045
enough food for three months or six months or three years whatever it was I mean there like a whole armory and and he said one thing which i remember and it was we ready for when the zombies come

651
00:58:42,045 --> 00:58:47,785
and it was it was projected like oh he's fucking mental he's thinking the undead are coming back

652
00:58:47,785 --> 00:58:53,285
they walk around us now daniel they are they are here they are the people with nothing behind their

653
00:58:53,285 --> 00:58:57,765
eyes the ones that wear the masks they are that they are the zombies are going to come and get us

654
00:58:57,765 --> 00:59:04,105
and I feel guilty for feeling the way I did about how I felt about the guy at the time because I

655
00:59:04,105 --> 00:59:09,805
laughed and I shouldn't have laughed because actually he was absolutely spot on and so I put

656
00:59:09,805 --> 00:59:16,965
things in place so you know I've got ex-army friends I've got people that have skills and

657
00:59:16,965 --> 00:59:26,005
we've mapped the place we have um we I put things in place that if that does happen

658
00:59:26,005 --> 00:59:32,985
this will not be a farm that's going to be invaded i'm not going to go into too many details but

659
00:59:32,985 --> 00:59:40,785
if you get hungry don't come here you probably won't make it home mate that is yeah very um

660
00:59:40,785 --> 00:59:48,605
very it's timely actually because i've just become friends with our local beef farmer and

661
00:59:48,605 --> 00:59:54,085
that's uh that's one thing that i think a lot of people listening to this podcast

662
00:59:54,085 --> 00:59:55,925
might have already done.

663
00:59:56,085 --> 01:00:00,145
I've had a guy come on the podcast called Texas Slim

664
01:00:00,145 --> 01:00:01,065
is what he calls himself.

665
01:00:01,145 --> 01:00:02,085
No, I heard one of this.

666
01:00:02,285 --> 01:00:03,705
I sent you the podcast.

667
01:00:03,825 --> 01:00:04,265
That's right.

668
01:00:04,625 --> 01:00:07,225
And he's been very, not influential,

669
01:00:07,345 --> 01:00:08,605
because he's not trying to influence it.

670
01:00:08,645 --> 01:00:10,325
He's like educational to people.

671
01:00:10,785 --> 01:00:12,165
Like, you know, ah, right.

672
01:00:12,325 --> 01:00:13,225
Okay, shit.

673
01:00:13,465 --> 01:00:16,265
Yeah, we, you know, stuff can happen.

674
01:00:16,265 --> 01:00:17,505
Stuff can get real.

675
01:00:18,005 --> 01:00:21,525
And it's about building those relationships close to you.

676
01:00:21,525 --> 01:00:28,045
His mantra is go and shake the rancher's hand and get to know him and get into the value for value.

677
01:00:28,325 --> 01:00:30,205
You know, you have something that you can offer.

678
01:00:30,325 --> 01:00:34,345
It's not just cash, but you have skills, you have knowledge.

679
01:00:34,545 --> 01:00:38,945
And in our case, we got talking about Bitcoin and why it's important to us.

680
01:00:38,945 --> 01:00:43,605
And we love learning from you about farming and raw milk and whatever else.

681
01:00:44,445 --> 01:00:49,225
But just to just to like put a final nail in the coffin of like the subsidies and whatever else.

682
01:00:49,225 --> 01:00:50,985
and you brought up Clarkson's farm,

683
01:00:51,505 --> 01:00:53,765
that we're now in this position in the UK

684
01:00:53,765 --> 01:00:55,945
where the government are paying farmers

685
01:00:55,945 --> 01:00:57,485
to plant wildflowers

686
01:00:57,485 --> 01:00:59,765
and have been for decades, as far as I'm aware.

687
01:01:00,345 --> 01:01:04,545
Like, it absolutely blows my mind

688
01:01:04,545 --> 01:01:08,405
that people think that's like a good idea of use of land.

689
01:01:08,865 --> 01:01:10,185
But then they fluff it up.

690
01:01:10,265 --> 01:01:12,545
Well, it's good for the bees and we need the bees

691
01:01:12,545 --> 01:01:14,185
and because of the bees.

692
01:01:14,565 --> 01:01:15,725
All right, okay, if we need the bees

693
01:01:15,725 --> 01:01:16,945
and we're going to protect the bees,

694
01:01:17,245 --> 01:01:18,645
why are you also paying farmers

695
01:01:18,645 --> 01:01:21,685
to put 5G fucking towers all over their land,

696
01:01:21,905 --> 01:01:25,565
which is frying the shit out of all of the insects around us.

697
01:01:25,905 --> 01:01:27,445
And people are blind to that.

698
01:01:27,565 --> 01:01:29,385
Or they just don't want to believe it.

699
01:01:29,445 --> 01:01:30,425
I don't know what it is.

700
01:01:30,785 --> 01:01:32,245
So it's a pain issue.

701
01:01:33,165 --> 01:01:33,885
There's no pain.

702
01:01:35,025 --> 01:01:37,705
The pain, they will only have an opinion when it affects them.

703
01:01:38,525 --> 01:01:39,565
Until it affects them.

704
01:01:39,565 --> 01:01:42,965
They go to the supermarket now and you've got this smorgasbord

705
01:01:42,965 --> 01:01:45,545
of every colour and the shelves are full.

706
01:01:45,545 --> 01:01:50,645
when those shelves don't have fruit on them they're going to go why isn't there fruit in here

707
01:01:50,645 --> 01:01:54,865
well because of the 5g towers and the spray and then the rest of it well how did you let that

708
01:01:54,865 --> 01:02:00,825
happen that's when they'll have an opinion on it and the farmers the farmers will get blamed again

709
01:02:00,825 --> 01:02:06,365
because it's the 5g towers that are turning up in the farmers fields do you do you know how much

710
01:02:06,365 --> 01:02:12,805
uh what what are they being offered to to to have one of these i don't 5g towers put up

711
01:02:12,805 --> 01:02:20,245
or a windmill or a solar farm is is there like in in recent cases actually my parents just managed

712
01:02:20,245 --> 01:02:26,385
to with their village battle against a battery energy storage storage system in one of these

713
01:02:26,385 --> 01:02:34,025
best systems there were going to be something like 10 to 20 container ship sized battery storage

714
01:02:34,025 --> 01:02:40,485
systems put on a field right next to a woodland and blah blah blah uh nowhere near a solar farm

715
01:02:40,485 --> 01:02:48,325
or a wind farm okay so what's what energy is it storing oh yeah don't worry about that guys like

716
01:02:48,325 --> 01:02:53,425
you know we'll build the power lines as well like you know oh right great yeah even more healthy

717
01:02:53,425 --> 01:02:59,945
stuff hanging over our heads luckily it got um shut down uh but they're going up all over the

718
01:02:59,945 --> 01:03:06,405
place and they're going to use these when people realize how harmful the 5g towers are the best

719
01:03:06,405 --> 01:03:11,705
systems the solar farms how useless the wind turbines are they're going to turn on the farmers

720
01:03:11,705 --> 01:03:16,445
because that's the easiest way for the government and these people that have been the lobbyists that

721
01:03:16,445 --> 01:03:21,485
have been pushing this green narrative bullshit are going to hide behind oh well yeah is that guy

722
01:03:21,485 --> 01:03:27,525
sold out for 100 000 pounds like go and talk to him or the farmers get educated quick enough

723
01:03:27,525 --> 01:03:33,985
they go out on a field with their tractor they tie a chain to the tower and they just pull it down

724
01:03:33,985 --> 01:03:41,085
yeah that'd be that'd be the ultimate ultimate but you know he says i've got something quite

725
01:03:41,085 --> 01:03:44,305
loose one of my neighbors is trying to put solar farm in and

726
01:03:44,305 --> 01:03:52,145
as a farmer i don't blame him he's in his early 70s

727
01:03:52,145 --> 01:03:58,165
what's he going to do with the land it doesn't have anybody there's no there's nobody coming

728
01:03:58,165 --> 01:04:06,245
through to take it on why wouldn't you take take it as a business trying to stay solvent

729
01:04:06,245 --> 01:04:15,185
is a really easy way out so they've made the conditions so difficult so at the moment like

730
01:04:15,185 --> 01:04:23,525
the whole inheritance tax issue for instance if you're a 20 year old son of a farmer you're looking

731
01:04:23,525 --> 01:04:32,365
at probably 40 years working minimum wage 70 to 8 hours a week you put you won't get a month

732
01:04:32,365 --> 01:04:39,285
off you won't get a pension and then when your dad dies potentially you got to pay three or

733
01:04:39,285 --> 01:04:44,145
four hundred thousand pounds just to continue what you were doing before why the fuck would

734
01:04:44,145 --> 01:04:48,525
anybody want to do that i mean they've made it they have made it so it's virtually impossible

735
01:04:48,525 --> 01:04:56,005
to get new people on the farm and i remember going to a careers evening

736
01:04:56,005 --> 01:05:05,445
um our local school because they wanted to have like a farmers involved as well and

737
01:05:05,445 --> 01:05:14,285
i can remember them actually saying to students so you're not very bright effectively have you

738
01:05:14,285 --> 01:05:20,445
thought about farming wow which is the complete opposite of what it should be you're really bright

739
01:05:20,445 --> 01:05:26,025
have you thought about farming they they they think that we just walk around with

740
01:05:26,025 --> 01:05:33,685
throwing off the mouth yeah chewing chewing straw sitting on a tractor they have no idea of how

741
01:05:33,685 --> 01:05:38,625
complicated or the processes or how we can actually improve things i mean the whole carbon thing is

742
01:05:38,625 --> 01:05:43,925
complete i mean that's just money again that's money laundering absolute bullshit to think that

743
01:05:43,925 --> 01:05:52,245
my few cows are polluting their bloody atmosphere it's just it's just it's just it's beyond

744
01:05:52,245 --> 01:05:57,605
that comes back to my point earlier about the amount of 10 000 tons of diesel that it takes

745
01:05:57,605 --> 01:06:02,385
to plow the fields and harvest and all that kind of stuff you can't compare that carbon output if

746
01:06:02,385 --> 01:06:07,245
you really do believe in all of this bullshit and you've gone vegan or vegetarian because you want

747
01:06:07,245 --> 01:06:15,085
to save the planet because it's the cows that are the problem like guys just do the math just stop

748
01:06:15,085 --> 01:06:22,305
and look you don't ask yourself is monoculture good or bad like one knee jerk like question yes

749
01:06:22,305 --> 01:06:28,845
no and then build from that and what does it take to to to grow these bloody things what what what

750
01:06:28,845 --> 01:06:37,065
it is quite scary that but it's because it's disconnect so like when my customers come to me

751
01:06:37,065 --> 01:06:39,905
I mean I sell my milk for £2.50 a litre

752
01:06:39,905 --> 01:06:42,205
Delicious milk it is as well

753
01:06:42,205 --> 01:06:43,645
listeners, I'd just like to point that out

754
01:06:43,645 --> 01:06:44,985
I agree with you

755
01:06:44,985 --> 01:06:47,265
but when my customers come

756
01:06:47,265 --> 01:06:49,625
they're not thinking it's £2.50 a litre

757
01:06:49,625 --> 01:06:51,405
because that's not

758
01:06:51,405 --> 01:06:52,785
where the value is

759
01:06:52,785 --> 01:06:54,485
the value is in the way I'm farming

760
01:06:54,485 --> 01:06:56,725
the way it can cure their

761
01:06:56,725 --> 01:06:58,885
sorry I can't say cure

762
01:06:58,885 --> 01:07:00,045
it's the wrong word to use

763
01:07:00,045 --> 01:07:02,085
how it can help their IBS

764
01:07:02,085 --> 01:07:04,005
their eczema, their asthma

765
01:07:04,005 --> 01:07:05,765
and I've got so many people coming here saying

766
01:07:05,765 --> 01:07:10,445
why aren't the doctors just saying because i've been through you know some of these some of these

767
01:07:10,445 --> 01:07:15,245
customers have been through every single drug that they've been allowed for for their skin you know

768
01:07:15,245 --> 01:07:20,225
the doctors have like five on a on a on a list right we prevent this one first because it pays

769
01:07:20,225 --> 01:07:24,345
us best this and and then they come out here and i have our milk for a month and then eczema goes

770
01:07:24,345 --> 01:07:28,405
away they go why aren't we told this first i'm not going to tell you that because they're not

771
01:07:28,405 --> 01:07:33,105
they're not interested in helping you they're just interested in selling their drugs that's what

772
01:07:33,105 --> 01:07:37,985
they i'm not saying and that's that's disingenuous they i'm sure the doctors are thinking they're

773
01:07:37,985 --> 01:07:44,385
helping but reality is they're not they're not getting to the root cause which is your gut health

774
01:07:44,385 --> 01:07:49,285
basically um so people when people come to me they're not buying i don't know myself i did a

775
01:07:49,285 --> 01:07:55,465
survey on our customers and i thought it was going to be that we you know we tried to farm

776
01:07:55,465 --> 01:08:00,765
regeneratively we don't use antibiotics we keep cows and cows together we're going to be at once

777
01:08:00,765 --> 01:08:04,985
a day everything is you know everything i do is about animal welfare because if you've got a very

778
01:08:04,985 --> 01:08:12,105
healthy animal the food she produces is inherently going to be safe safe and healthy too and so i did

779
01:08:12,105 --> 01:08:17,325
this survey on our customers and the arseholes are only coming because they're gut health you know so

780
01:08:17,325 --> 01:08:23,385
and i and so i spoke to a few i said oh so um obviously we're making you i said oh yeah no

781
01:08:23,385 --> 01:08:29,025
i said so what about the other bits in the um survey oh no that's just a bonus john and now

782
01:08:29,025 --> 01:08:34,145
we know that you're doing all that and you know we like talking to you and that's all the bonus so

783
01:08:34,145 --> 01:08:39,845
it made me realize that when they come here they're not just buying milk they're buying health

784
01:08:39,845 --> 01:08:45,705
they're buying inclusion so you know if you come to the farm you want to see the cows you want to

785
01:08:45,705 --> 01:08:52,125
see me I'm nearly always available I spend a lot of time talking to people and because that's my

786
01:08:52,125 --> 01:08:58,145
job I'm their I'm their health provider and going on from that which is a really interesting

787
01:08:58,145 --> 01:09:05,225
conversation I have with somebody I said because I've been thinking about it and my life and work

788
01:09:05,225 --> 01:09:10,745
life balance and all the rest of and I said so um if you put me into I want you to put me into a

789
01:09:10,745 --> 01:09:21,165
bracket for for like a work for for work so am I unskilled labour am I skilled labour am I a

790
01:09:21,165 --> 01:09:29,505
manager am i a senior so so from my point of view if you come to me with skin issues health issues

791
01:09:29,505 --> 01:09:38,925
i can probably help you heal so should i be paid a surgeon's wage because i can keep you at hospital

792
01:09:38,925 --> 01:09:45,805
i can your ibs i can and so i don't you know this one of my customers have they've not cured

793
01:09:45,805 --> 01:09:51,085
they're Crohn's but they've they don't get the symptoms of Crohn's like like they were getting

794
01:09:51,085 --> 01:09:57,685
um IBS is a huge one um eczema asthma you know I had one woman come out she was on the blue and

795
01:09:57,685 --> 01:10:03,585
the brown inhaler every single day and she said I was told I was going to be on these for the rest

796
01:10:03,585 --> 01:10:10,245
of my life she was in her mid-40s and within a week on our milk she didn't take any I said how

797
01:10:10,245 --> 01:10:12,445
How is that even possible?

798
01:10:12,445 --> 01:10:25,377
And I said because I released that in microbiome Your asthma is a histamine response Your eczema is a histamine response that what happened your gut is is is out of balance you need to reset that that your second brain

799
01:10:25,377 --> 01:10:28,877
it's telling your body when you break out in a thing that something's wrong there

800
01:10:28,877 --> 01:10:35,577
it's not just washing powder and atmospherics and stress your bloody your body your body is

801
01:10:35,577 --> 01:10:42,517
is actually out it's it's in dis-ease you know it makes you know the word the clues in the word

802
01:10:42,517 --> 01:10:48,697
isn't it so i realized that although i felt quite offended that people weren't coming to me because

803
01:10:48,697 --> 01:10:54,577
i was doing that when i found out what it was what it was doing the price of my my milk is

804
01:10:54,577 --> 01:11:01,177
actually irrelevant because they're buying into such a bigger package and i'm going back to where

805
01:11:01,177 --> 01:11:06,577
my my grandparents were farming they would have had a churn they would have gone up to the up the

806
01:11:06,577 --> 01:11:12,437
into the village and there's there's 13 farms when i was a kid 13 dairy farms when i was a kid

807
01:11:12,437 --> 01:11:20,297
there's just me now so those farmers would have taken their milk up into the village the housewife

808
01:11:20,297 --> 01:11:25,737
would have come out with her caught jug taking it out of the out of the thing she would have spoken

809
01:11:25,737 --> 01:11:33,217
to that farmer every single day hi mr jones how's it going i'm great how are you oh yep cows are

810
01:11:33,217 --> 01:11:39,717
milking well out of dead cow you know the weather's awful every single day the perceived value of that

811
01:11:39,717 --> 01:11:46,177
food increased because she had a daily update and you know she could tell from the tastes

812
01:11:46,177 --> 01:11:51,917
whether they were in different fields everything was was a was a it was a wholesome union a

813
01:11:51,917 --> 01:11:57,577
symbiotic relationship where you're when you drink that milk or you use that milk you had

814
01:11:57,577 --> 01:12:03,777
a real tangible visceral link to where it came from you go to a supermarket and buy it

815
01:12:03,777 --> 01:12:10,797
of the self it's just milk so i want it as cheap as i can make it why why do i have to pay two

816
01:12:10,797 --> 01:12:14,997
pound fifty a litre i mean i've had people say that's really expensive isn't it i said well then

817
01:12:14,997 --> 01:12:20,377
yeah that's fine but you're not my customer you just want shit to put on your shit cereals to

818
01:12:20,377 --> 01:12:27,037
make yourself inflamed well well i'm not going to be having that conversation with you no i had

819
01:12:27,037 --> 01:12:33,157
one guy come here i know him um there's a builder friend of mine and he said um i said well do you

820
01:12:33,157 --> 01:12:39,637
have some raw milk then he said oh no my wife's on the red top stuff because she's on a diet i said

821
01:12:39,637 --> 01:12:45,417
you do understand that fat doesn't make you fat it's the sugar that makes you fat is that do you

822
01:12:45,417 --> 01:12:48,957
understand that he's a wider no she just says i gotta have her so well you go back and tell her

823
01:12:48,957 --> 01:12:55,637
that the red top the skimmed milk has more sugar in it than the full fat milk so if she drinks more

824
01:12:55,637 --> 01:13:02,237
skimmed milk she'll get fatter than she would if she drank full fat milk you know and he said and

825
01:13:02,237 --> 01:13:04,237
And he said, he said, oh, it was quite expensive to John.

826
01:13:04,337 --> 01:13:06,777
I was paying, I was charging one pound 60 a litre at this point.

827
01:13:07,577 --> 01:13:08,797
He said, it's quite expensive though, isn't it?

828
01:13:08,857 --> 01:13:11,997
And I got talking, I knew exactly, I was leading him

829
01:13:11,997 --> 01:13:14,417
because he'd been to the club at the end of the road

830
01:13:14,417 --> 01:13:16,317
and got pissed two nights before.

831
01:13:16,657 --> 01:13:18,057
So he does it every single Thursday night.

832
01:13:19,277 --> 01:13:20,537
I said, oh, I don't drink.

833
01:13:20,597 --> 01:13:22,417
So I don't know what the price of beer is.

834
01:13:22,497 --> 01:13:26,517
And I said, so how much is a pint of beer now then, Brian?

835
01:13:26,817 --> 01:13:28,557
He said, he said what it was.

836
01:13:28,557 --> 01:13:32,217
I went, I said, that's seven pounds a litre.

837
01:13:32,237 --> 01:13:39,377
i said i'm one pound sixty liter how can you say my milk's expensive when you're buying

838
01:13:39,377 --> 01:13:46,717
seven pounds for piss yeah oh yeah but but it's a perceived value he gets enjoyment from that

839
01:13:46,717 --> 01:13:51,357
he's not thinking about nutrition nutrition and health is something the nhs does

840
01:13:51,357 --> 01:13:56,017
that's not my responsibility i don't need to be responsible if i get diabetes if i get

841
01:13:56,017 --> 01:14:03,537
high cholesterol whatever i just go to the nhs and they sort out and then i realized these people

842
01:14:03,537 --> 01:14:09,397
aren't interested in their health they're just interested in their entertainment and so whilst

843
01:14:09,397 --> 01:14:14,177
they're only interested in what they can get out of it and not seeing the bigger picture that their

844
01:14:14,177 --> 01:14:17,557
health is actually the most important thing and as soon as you lose it then you realize how

845
01:14:17,557 --> 01:14:22,997
important it is um so they are not my customer i can't have any dealings with these people because

846
01:14:22,997 --> 01:14:27,737
they they i say any dealings they're not going to ever be my customer because they don't see life

847
01:14:27,737 --> 01:14:32,117
in the way i see it and there's only people that come in for me for health you go my health is the

848
01:14:32,117 --> 01:14:38,457
most important thing to me ever it doesn't matter if my milk is five pounds a liter if i have to

849
01:14:38,457 --> 01:14:43,277
drink it stay healthy that's better than having a netflix subscription and going to the hospital

850
01:14:43,277 --> 01:14:50,777
so getting into that hole let's get into like the the whole raw versus uh pasteurized because

851
01:14:50,777 --> 01:14:54,457
And then you've got so there's kind of two ends of this, right?

852
01:14:54,457 --> 01:14:58,817
You've got the people that just tell you milk is the devil.

853
01:14:58,977 --> 01:15:01,817
What on earth are you doing drinking liquid from another animal's tit?

854
01:15:02,337 --> 01:15:06,617
And then at the other end, you've got like the raw milk advocates like yourself and many

855
01:15:06,617 --> 01:15:11,037
of the people probably listening to this to understand, like, the less you fuck with something,

856
01:15:11,097 --> 01:15:12,157
the better it's going to be.

857
01:15:13,017 --> 01:15:16,277
So and you let's go here first.

858
01:15:16,317 --> 01:15:18,077
You mentioned earlier that you have a license.

859
01:15:18,077 --> 01:15:24,717
So some people living in Australia or some parts of America or Canada might be thinking like, how the hell is he doing this?

860
01:15:24,717 --> 01:15:33,237
Because they've been told by their governing bodies that it is illegal or unlawful, whatever words you want to use.

861
01:15:34,297 --> 01:15:36,657
It's not unlawful. It's illegal.

862
01:15:37,117 --> 01:15:39,997
Yes. There's another. Let's stay out of that rabbit hole for now.

863
01:15:39,997 --> 01:15:49,277
let's just raw milk so we have louis pasteur um who has been elevated to the father of biology

864
01:15:49,277 --> 01:15:55,237
and whatever else and said on his deathbed that um beauchamp was correct because he was the guy

865
01:15:55,237 --> 01:15:59,197
that was kind of taking the opposite view to him when they were having these battles but pasteur was

866
01:15:59,197 --> 01:16:06,077
lifted up and all of his knowledge and air quotes was then used throughout the medical system in

867
01:16:06,077 --> 01:16:10,397
vaccines and all this kind of stuff and pasteurizing milk which is where the word

868
01:16:10,397 --> 01:16:18,277
pasteurize and pasteur comes from when did this creep into like uh were you a kid when this

869
01:16:18,277 --> 01:16:26,217
started happening or was it already being pasteurized so sadly pasteurization came in at a

870
01:16:26,217 --> 01:16:31,537
time when it was needed so industrial revolution people started moving into town to work in

871
01:16:31,537 --> 01:16:37,337
factories virtually impossible to get milk from the country in any kind of scale into into the

872
01:16:37,337 --> 01:16:44,037
towns they didn't have lorries in the same way obviously we do now or refrigeration so the milk

873
01:16:44,037 --> 01:16:48,737
was going sour before it even got into into into the into the town so they decided to take the cow

874
01:16:48,737 --> 01:16:55,197
into town logic good logic problem is there's no grass in town so they started feeding them waste

875
01:16:55,197 --> 01:17:00,457
from the bakeries and the breweries so they changed the ph of the cow's stomach which made

876
01:17:00,457 --> 01:17:05,837
them sick so the cows they were in big buildings they never saw the light of day so everything

877
01:17:05,837 --> 01:17:10,437
about what they were doing was completely wrong for the health of the cow so these cows were

878
01:17:10,437 --> 01:17:18,077
producing milk which was watery it was thin it was um it was the the milk was sick right if you

879
01:17:18,077 --> 01:17:23,737
like before it even came out of them so factory farming this is exactly what factory farming

880
01:17:23,737 --> 01:17:29,597
was right yeah pretty much yeah it was yeah you're absolutely right they yeah they took

881
01:17:29,597 --> 01:17:34,077
factories and then they made the cows into factories put them into factories so um the

882
01:17:34,077 --> 01:17:38,577
milk was killing people i mean it literally was killing people because it was just a harboring

883
01:17:38,577 --> 01:17:44,057
an absolute um the best thing you can ever get for bacteria to grow in

884
01:17:44,057 --> 01:17:50,837
now that almost sounds like an oxymoron because raw milk has a lot of bacteria in it but it's

885
01:17:50,837 --> 01:17:56,657
good bacteria and that's the difference so grass-fed cows and only grass-fed cows their

886
01:17:56,657 --> 01:18:03,197
milk is inherently safe so um there have been trials where you put salmonella into healthy

887
01:18:03,197 --> 01:18:10,757
raw milk and the healthy bacteria outperform the bad pathogens so e.coli salmonella can't survive

888
01:18:10,757 --> 01:18:18,277
in really healthy raw milk and when that's that's why a lot of the um countries that don't have

889
01:18:18,277 --> 01:18:24,517
refrigeration have sour milk because the lactic acid builds and all of their cows are basically fed

890
01:18:24,517 --> 01:18:32,297
grass in india i'm thinking the main main one um so they just put it in buckets let the skin form

891
01:18:32,297 --> 01:18:37,857
on the top and what's underneath is is it's safe because it's it's gone sour soured milk is actually

892
01:18:37,857 --> 01:18:43,817
really really safe raw milk as the more time goes on as it starts to sour actually becomes safer

893
01:18:43,817 --> 01:18:48,277
because it kills all the bacteria off but if it's if it's healthy in the first place you just you

894
01:18:48,277 --> 01:18:52,937
just don't get that it's a very bad competitor a lot of pathogens are very bad competitors

895
01:18:52,937 --> 01:18:59,077
listeria not so so but i mean and and um there's there's another one which is a nasty one but um

896
01:18:59,077 --> 01:19:06,257
if you if you have good practices in place good hygiene you know we've as a as an industry we know

897
01:19:06,257 --> 01:19:11,657
a lot more about pathogen transfer you know a lot but we have really good cleaning chemicals

898
01:19:11,657 --> 01:19:18,597
we understand biofilms biofilms used to be a real problem for me so biofilm is a um is a film that

899
01:19:18,597 --> 01:19:25,637
would would would um basically protect bacteria from chemicals and heat and then every now and

900
01:19:25,637 --> 01:19:30,077
then it would just release and so when we test regularly and every now and then you'd have like

901
01:19:30,077 --> 01:19:34,057
a spike and you go what the hell is that and it wasn't until we had the biofilm cleaners in

902
01:19:34,057 --> 01:19:40,757
um it's just basically a a well he's the guy that sells it sells it for cleaning um

903
01:19:40,757 --> 01:19:45,717
motorhome and caravan water systems because you get them in those as well

904
01:19:45,717 --> 01:19:55,077
and uh so it's been a revelation so we understand how to make milk very very very safe so going back

905
01:19:55,077 --> 01:20:02,377
to the the past year when the when in when he's when he first started coming to to the fore um he

906
01:20:02,377 --> 01:20:08,837
had a perfect environment to sell his sell his sell his process um i mean they even had to put

907
01:20:08,837 --> 01:20:14,317
chalk into the milk to make it look white and i think they put flour in it to thicken up because

908
01:20:14,317 --> 01:20:22,497
it's just like water so the what sadly as i say the process was actually right for that time

909
01:20:22,497 --> 01:20:30,717
in my opinion they had to fit it and it is and you've alluded to already it's never it's never

910
01:20:30,717 --> 01:20:36,157
the cow it's always the how the process if you're if you're stressing the system out whether it's

911
01:20:36,157 --> 01:20:40,997
land humans you know athletes when they break they break really badly because they are on the

912
01:20:40,997 --> 01:20:46,757
edge and their their edge of their performance which the same applies to cows as well if you've

913
01:20:46,757 --> 01:20:53,237
got a cow giving 10 000 liters 13 000 liters of milk a year on a very high starch diet so

914
01:20:53,237 --> 01:20:59,277
they've got they've got to be so careful with their diets managing them their diets are

915
01:20:59,277 --> 01:21:04,457
micromanaged you know with they're trying to balance it with bicarbonate soda so that they

916
01:21:04,457 --> 01:21:11,597
going to get ulcers it's a absolute nightmare trying to keep high yielding cows i mean there

917
01:21:11,597 --> 01:21:19,537
are may i will say the farm there aren't any bad farmers left in in regard of bad farmers

918
01:21:19,537 --> 01:21:26,697
so the farmers of today have got onto this treadmill they need to keep getting more cows

919
01:21:26,697 --> 01:21:31,977
the cows need to give more milk heaven has to be the government telling us tighten your belts

920
01:21:31,977 --> 01:21:36,677
get more efficient and we're still going to pay you the cost of production you're not going to get

921
01:21:36,677 --> 01:21:41,617
any more money for we're just going to make sure that we get as much for as little as we can so

922
01:21:41,617 --> 01:21:49,917
farmers are amazing they can make rye grass grow as ridiculous speeds if we get any rain um they

923
01:21:49,917 --> 01:21:55,697
can make cows have amazing amounts of milk you know and the cow's needs are pretty much met

924
01:21:55,697 --> 01:22:10,029
as in if you go into these yards they you know they the the floor is brilliant the feed is brilliantly managed the beds are comfortable but the cows are just zombies they are just working so hard

925
01:22:10,029 --> 01:22:15,269
they're zombies you don't get that character that you do with my my bastards when i'm causing

926
01:22:15,269 --> 01:22:21,789
trouble and getting out and stuff um so don't ever don't ever slate a modern farmer because

927
01:22:21,789 --> 01:22:28,169
he is only trying to just trying to stay in business and you know i one of the things that

928
01:22:28,169 --> 01:22:34,449
i get presentably often is though because i keep the cows and cows together that's much harder than

929
01:22:34,449 --> 01:22:41,329
taking that calf away at day one putting it into an individual pen making sure it's drinking five

930
01:22:41,329 --> 01:22:51,769
six liters a day for a week so it's healthy checking the temperature and then moving into a

931
01:22:51,769 --> 01:22:59,329
is micromanaged you couldn't get better care on a for a health purpose when my cows are sucking in

932
01:22:59,329 --> 01:23:04,209
from the from the cows i just have to assume that they're getting enough milk i'm letting nature

933
01:23:04,209 --> 01:23:10,489
take its course and you know we have deaths like they have deaths it's it's there's no there's no

934
01:23:10,489 --> 01:23:19,489
um what i'm trying to say is it's very easy to vilify the modern day commercial farmer but he's

935
01:23:19,489 --> 01:23:23,389
just trying to stay in business and he's been taught just like the doctors are taught to have

936
01:23:23,389 --> 01:23:28,949
pills like he's taught that this is the way that you farm and it's virtually impossible for that

937
01:23:28,949 --> 01:23:34,669
farmer to come back to what i'm doing i don't i can't see a guy with three four hundred cows going

938
01:23:34,669 --> 01:23:40,449
right we need to back off let's just have 50 supply the local area because he he would he'd

939
01:23:40,449 --> 01:23:46,289
have his his facilities would be set up so much so he would it just it wouldn't compute in his head

940
01:23:46,289 --> 01:23:52,689
you couldn't do it um and going on from that i don't see the current farmer as being the farmer

941
01:23:52,689 --> 01:23:58,469
of the future it'll be people like you that go christ there's no milk around here i'm just going

942
01:23:58,469 --> 01:24:02,769
to go and buy a couple acres land and you know i'm just going to get a cow and i'm going to do it

943
01:24:02,769 --> 01:24:06,969
myself and then somebody said well we'll have some of the excess milk so then you sell to them and

944
01:24:06,969 --> 01:24:10,929
then you realize that there's 10 other people wanting the milk so you buy another cow and then

945
01:24:10,929 --> 01:24:16,969
you buy another cow and you just you what we should be doing is expanding farmers to meet their

946
01:24:16,969 --> 01:24:24,849
local environment their local geographical areas requirements decentralizing that's logical

947
01:24:24,849 --> 01:24:34,809
food security and it's it's sad that we've come to we've got we've got so far away from from where

948
01:24:34,809 --> 01:24:41,269
where we where we were like 13 farms in this village now it's just me and what's really sad

949
01:24:41,269 --> 01:24:45,269
is i don't have very many very many local customers my customers travel because they

950
01:24:45,269 --> 01:24:50,009
understand the value of the food so going back to the whole pasteurization thing yeah it was fit for

951
01:24:50,009 --> 01:24:58,169
purpose and the difference between a guy so like i'm producing raw milk to be consumed they're

952
01:24:58,169 --> 01:25:03,909
producing raw milk to be to be processed and it is again a different process you couldn't just go to

953
01:25:03,909 --> 01:25:08,009
the farmland won't go try some of your raw milk because i want raw milk because they would they

954
01:25:08,009 --> 01:25:12,169
don't know what's in it because it doesn't matter what's in it in regard of pathogens and such like

955
01:25:12,169 --> 01:25:16,629
because it gets pasteurized anyway so it gets destroyed it doesn't really matter so their

956
01:25:16,629 --> 01:25:21,669
focus is more on yield rather than cleanliness and that again that sounds like i'm being

957
01:25:21,669 --> 01:25:25,289
disingenuous because they're not they are very clean but they're just not in the clean in the

958
01:25:25,289 --> 01:25:31,989
way that i'm clean in regard that my focus is on very much on on pathogen transfer whereas theirs

959
01:25:31,989 --> 01:25:37,509
is just on getting it into the into the tank and cooling as quick as they can so you know they get

960
01:25:37,509 --> 01:25:42,629
they get monitored as much as not as much as i do they get monitored in some of the same things i do

961
01:25:42,629 --> 01:25:48,469
but um their their their focus if you've got 300 cows is going to be a little bit different than

962
01:25:48,469 --> 01:25:54,169
if you've got 50 and again it's not their fault they're producing food for a different market

963
01:25:54,169 --> 01:25:58,729
altogether they are producing it to get off this off the off the shelf so um

964
01:25:58,729 --> 01:26:06,349
it would be very dangerous if a another farmer just said oh yeah i'm going to start selling

965
01:26:06,349 --> 01:26:12,229
raw milk and then just gave some raw milk and then made you ill because that one illness would

966
01:26:12,229 --> 01:26:20,249
be a headline and it'd be nationwide news whereas the chinese restaurant in your local town that

967
01:26:20,249 --> 01:26:25,229
made 30 people ill from Camp Hylobacter, it's not a headline because it's happening in every

968
01:26:25,229 --> 01:26:31,529
bloody town. And that's where the myth of raw milk is dangerous comes from. Because there's so

969
01:26:31,529 --> 01:26:38,289
few of us doing it that we get one headline, one person gets ill. And before you know it,

970
01:26:38,529 --> 01:26:43,329
you know, all of us are affected by it. So our standards have to be really high. We have to

971
01:26:43,329 --> 01:26:49,989
maintain that standard of keeping people because they are out to get us. They do not want us.

972
01:26:49,989 --> 01:26:52,449
they do not want us to be in existence.

973
01:26:53,289 --> 01:26:54,889
Because we're taking money away

974
01:26:54,889 --> 01:26:56,209
from the pharmaceutical companies.

975
01:26:57,589 --> 01:26:58,489
Absolutely, mate.

976
01:26:58,649 --> 01:26:59,549
And like you said,

977
01:26:59,669 --> 01:27:01,869
there used to be 13 farms around you,

978
01:27:02,029 --> 01:27:03,849
but this centralizing power,

979
01:27:04,009 --> 01:27:04,969
i.e. the government,

980
01:27:05,329 --> 01:27:08,109
which everybody has to be regulated by

981
01:27:08,109 --> 01:27:09,089
and licensed by,

982
01:27:09,509 --> 01:27:11,509
and like you mentioned DEFRA earlier,

983
01:27:11,569 --> 01:27:13,729
they know where everybody's acre of land is.

984
01:27:14,009 --> 01:27:15,529
They can just keep applying that pressure

985
01:27:15,529 --> 01:27:18,169
and just keep dwindling the amount of farmers

986
01:27:18,169 --> 01:27:21,369
because the more centralized you are, the easier it is to control.

987
01:27:22,009 --> 01:27:26,109
And they want ultimate control over the food system, basically,

988
01:27:26,249 --> 01:27:29,089
because how do you best control people?

989
01:27:29,189 --> 01:27:30,469
One, through the monetary system.

990
01:27:30,689 --> 01:27:32,129
Two, through the education system,

991
01:27:32,609 --> 01:27:34,929
a la the reason doctors give out all these pills

992
01:27:34,929 --> 01:27:37,329
because they've got the sunk cost fallacy of eight years

993
01:27:37,329 --> 01:27:40,649
of going through having smoke blowing up their asses,

994
01:27:40,709 --> 01:27:43,669
told that they're the most incredibly intelligent people in the world

995
01:27:43,669 --> 01:27:47,629
and they just glorified drug peddlers.

996
01:27:48,169 --> 01:27:49,649
and controlling the food.

997
01:27:50,029 --> 01:27:51,569
Now, if you do all of those three things,

998
01:27:51,689 --> 01:27:54,629
then it's no wonder we live in the world that we do today.

999
01:27:55,189 --> 01:27:58,469
So to that other far end of the scale,

1000
01:27:58,669 --> 01:28:02,869
we shouldn't be drinking liquid that comes from another animal.

1001
01:28:03,849 --> 01:28:06,629
I mean, to me, that just...

1002
01:28:08,269 --> 01:28:11,129
You have to think anthropologically again

1003
01:28:11,129 --> 01:28:12,969
and just go all the way back.

1004
01:28:12,969 --> 01:28:23,589
and we as our species have been drinking cow or goat milk about a thousand years my goodness me

1005
01:28:23,589 --> 01:28:27,789
like you know it's not just now it's like right guys that was a bad idea and you did all that

1006
01:28:27,789 --> 01:28:34,869
wrong like that's just where my mind falls but is there any actually you know better argument for

1007
01:28:34,869 --> 01:28:40,889
that like uh if you were to coming from their standpoint would you be able to is there any

1008
01:28:40,889 --> 01:28:45,649
any ounce of truth in what they're saying or or are they coming from you shouldn't be drinking

1009
01:28:45,649 --> 01:28:49,109
that because it's like the factory farmed milk that you were just talking about is there a

1010
01:28:49,109 --> 01:28:55,489
disconnect there perhaps or even but you'd think they would find the raw milk answer but the um

1011
01:28:55,489 --> 01:29:02,769
the veganism i i do understand i understand why some of you go vegan and i get a lot of

1012
01:29:02,769 --> 01:29:08,169
ex-vegan customers come here a lot of ex-vegan people come become my customers um

1013
01:29:08,169 --> 01:29:14,909
and i've got one recently she was just she's so gutted she's so gutted that she believed the shit

1014
01:29:14,909 --> 01:29:20,369
and she fed her kids that way and she's she's she's really struggling with guilt at the moment

1015
01:29:20,369 --> 01:29:28,049
wow but i understand how they get there because if you see any of the images that they get seen

1016
01:29:28,049 --> 01:29:38,109
uh get shown sorry in the um or get to see in the social media if you've had no experience of a farm

1017
01:29:38,109 --> 01:29:42,949
a real farm if you've not actually been onto a real farm you can believe whatever they whatever

1018
01:29:42,949 --> 01:29:49,229
they tell you and so i can't i can't watch that shit i just i mean i just cannot cope with it

1019
01:29:49,229 --> 01:29:57,369
it upsets me too much it astounds me that they want to keep watching it i don't understand that

1020
01:29:57,369 --> 01:30:02,429
almost seems like a little bit sick but that doesn't happen here but i understand why they

1021
01:30:02,429 --> 01:30:08,849
would then have a such a visceral response to seeing that because if you see that kind of abuse

1022
01:30:08,849 --> 01:30:15,309
you're going to go i don't want to be any part of that what happens after about three five years

1023
01:30:15,309 --> 01:30:19,389
their bodies start to crumble and they kind of go well we can't keep this up anymore because we need

1024
01:30:19,389 --> 01:30:23,209
to there's a few that can cope with it but the majority of people cannot cope with it

1025
01:30:23,209 --> 01:30:27,729
and then they start their bodies start to crumble they start to have things going wrong

1026
01:30:27,729 --> 01:30:32,709
that is nutritionally based they can't think their stomach stopped working you know the

1027
01:30:32,709 --> 01:30:37,229
females stopped menstruating and the kids stopped growing and and

1028
01:30:37,229 --> 01:30:45,549
it has to have one of my customers he actually cried on me twice

1029
01:30:45,549 --> 01:30:49,149
i said you need to get off the soy because he's making you a soy boy

1030
01:30:49,149 --> 01:30:57,309
i know i see him now i said don't cry don't cry chris don't cry um but he was so upset

1031
01:30:57,309 --> 01:31:04,589
that he'd again believed everything he'd been told so my take on it is ancestrally i've looked back

1032
01:31:04,589 --> 01:31:12,429
and i and i realized that we've it's uh the cows allowed us to domesticate them in for protection

1033
01:31:12,429 --> 01:31:22,009
and so we have had a symbiotic relationship yes we them which may be not so nice but we look after

1034
01:31:22,009 --> 01:31:28,949
them as well as we can for that period on on the planet now nature is pretty cruel and there's

1035
01:31:28,949 --> 01:31:33,849
so i don't i don't agree with sanctuaries i don't think cows should have sanctuaries because

1036
01:31:33,849 --> 01:31:41,609
although cows the modern day cow is not a natural animal by by any stretch of imagination if you

1037
01:31:41,609 --> 01:31:50,129
think bison obviously are natural if you watch their process as soon as they get ill or weak or

1038
01:31:50,129 --> 01:31:57,969
lame those they are food for the wolves the bears the hyenas whatever it may wherever it may be so

1039
01:31:57,969 --> 01:32:05,429
our brains are going that's really cruel but actually that's that's their process so if you

1040
01:32:05,429 --> 01:32:11,029
see a wildebeest getting taken down they just give up they chase they get taken down they just

1041
01:32:11,029 --> 01:32:16,749
give up they it's almost like their fate so they can't get away so they they allow it to happen so

1042
01:32:16,749 --> 01:32:23,609
animals in the wild don't get ill or don't have prolonged illness they don't have prolonged

1043
01:32:23,609 --> 01:32:28,929
lameness so when you start seeing these cows in sanctuaries that are arthritic

1044
01:32:28,929 --> 01:32:34,749
that is not a natural state for an animal to be in arthritic animals don't exist in the wild

1045
01:32:34,749 --> 01:32:39,829
and we try to go well we can help them but you're not helping them you're doing that for your own

1046
01:32:39,829 --> 01:32:44,469
purpose you're not doing that for the animal's sake now we get if i get any ill animal or animal

1047
01:32:44,469 --> 01:32:49,749
breaks his leg or something like that you know i'll assess and if we can't fix it then i have

1048
01:32:49,749 --> 01:32:56,329
no other choice it has to be you know taken care of and i have no qualms doing that you know i've

1049
01:32:56,329 --> 01:33:04,469
machinery to do it and if if it's if a case of if i see an animal in in in pain i'll do something

1050
01:33:04,469 --> 01:33:09,929
about it i'll either give her some painkillers or i'll give her a lead injection to make sure

1051
01:33:09,929 --> 01:33:15,749
that the pain goes away permanently it's one of those one of those one of those um things so i

1052
01:33:15,749 --> 01:33:20,609
don't i don't agree with sanctuaries at all so we i have a um and accidents must happen all the

1053
01:33:20,609 --> 01:33:26,449
time especially in a wet field or something like a a cow might break its leg foot yeah yeah i had a

1054
01:33:26,449 --> 01:33:30,849
cow break his leg not long ago right upside down in it i've got a south upside down in a ditch and

1055
01:33:30,849 --> 01:33:37,689
managed to break a leg so i just had to do it lovely lovely cow but that's my job i mean i'm

1056
01:33:37,689 --> 01:33:40,309
caretaker of those animals.

1057
01:33:40,309 --> 01:33:44,869
So I do understand vegans and I understand that we try to

1058
01:33:44,921 --> 01:33:51,781
put our feelings onto them i don't think they have the same feelings as we do in in so like a cow

1059
01:33:51,781 --> 01:33:58,481
is only interested in where her where her food is at that time or where the herd is they're not

1060
01:33:58,481 --> 01:34:03,441
thinking three years time i'm looking forward to seeing my my bullock grow up and like leave the

1061
01:34:03,441 --> 01:34:08,581
herd because that's not the way they think they are only thinking in the now there's only i think

1062
01:34:08,581 --> 01:34:15,641
there's only really humans that are able to map out a future if you like they are literally for

1063
01:34:15,641 --> 01:34:19,741
the now where's my next meal coming from where am I going to lay down where am I going to get food

1064
01:34:19,741 --> 01:34:25,721
from is there anybody watching me that I need to be scared of they're prey animals prey animals

1065
01:34:25,721 --> 01:34:32,241
only live in the now um and so I think I don't think we can we can put our feelings onto them

1066
01:34:32,241 --> 01:34:36,161
yes you know if they get separated from their youngsters yes they're going to cry because

1067
01:34:36,161 --> 01:34:41,801
that's a that's an unnatural situation and they they want to protect but all the other feelings

1068
01:34:41,801 --> 01:34:47,141
that we have aren't in the same they do have grief and i give my treat my cows homeopathically and i

1069
01:34:47,141 --> 01:34:52,321
always give them remedies if i have to remove a calf even if it's gently i also give them a remedy

1070
01:34:52,321 --> 01:35:02,401
just to help help that that process um so i don't know quite where i'm going to go next but basically

1071
01:35:02,401 --> 01:35:07,601
i understand where vegans come from i understand why they would feel like they do when they come

1072
01:35:07,601 --> 01:35:14,701
to me and they realize that my processes are as natural close to their narnia as i can get to

1073
01:35:14,701 --> 01:35:21,321
um they're they're far more far more invested in it and it's we're in a strange situation where

1074
01:35:21,321 --> 01:35:30,081
if you don't support me you're inadvertently supporting the the other so if you don't buy

1075
01:35:30,081 --> 01:35:33,541
from me and i fail and i go out of business then the only thing that's left is a commercial

1076
01:35:33,541 --> 01:35:41,021
if 50 vegans and i've actually i do have one vegan um that has listened to some of my talks

1077
01:35:41,021 --> 01:35:45,201
when i go around the country and she's been to two and she puts out i'm the vegan that supports

1078
01:35:45,201 --> 01:35:50,201
you she puts her hand up because she she understands she actually she was trying to

1079
01:35:50,201 --> 01:35:54,361
trip me up in the in the talks kind of asking me questions and trying to trip me up and i i gave her

1080
01:35:54,361 --> 01:35:59,681
the answers that she wasn't expecting and um then she went right okay well we need to support you

1081
01:35:59,681 --> 01:36:04,741
and that's absolutely the thing so if you're a vegan and you're anti every single farmer then

1082
01:36:04,741 --> 01:36:09,741
you're missing the point of what i'm trying to do i'm trying to get it back to be far more animal

1083
01:36:09,741 --> 01:36:17,641
based far more um welfare based you're not going to get vegans won't get what they want it's just

1084
01:36:17,641 --> 01:36:21,641
not going to happen there's too many meat eaters in in the country just it's not going to happen

1085
01:36:21,641 --> 01:36:29,381
we're too entrenched into that way of way of life to ever change back and you know we get ill if we

1086
01:36:29,381 --> 01:36:35,501
do so um the best thing to do is to support me support the farmer down the road that's trying

1087
01:36:35,501 --> 01:36:39,541
to do exactly what i'm trying to do even if you don't buy their bloody stuff go and give them a

1088
01:36:39,541 --> 01:36:44,041
tenner just to say well we really appreciate what you're doing and we want to support you and make

1089
01:36:44,041 --> 01:36:51,401
sure you're successful so that we can maybe dilute the commercial side of it um so it's an interesting

1090
01:36:51,401 --> 01:36:55,501
it is the whole i mean and i don't engage with vegans anymore if anyone get onto my social media

1091
01:36:55,501 --> 01:36:59,181
I just block them and I don't engage with them because there's,

1092
01:36:59,261 --> 01:37:03,961
you can't, well, I say you can't, if you get into a fight with stupid,

1093
01:37:04,061 --> 01:37:05,881
they're always going to win because they're much more stupid than you are.

1094
01:37:05,941 --> 01:37:07,701
So, you know, I don't know.

1095
01:37:07,721 --> 01:37:09,321
I'm not going to bring myself down to that level.

1096
01:37:09,501 --> 01:37:10,941
I'm doing what I believe is right.

1097
01:37:11,481 --> 01:37:13,581
And I'm nearly there.

1098
01:37:13,701 --> 01:37:14,861
So ask me another question.

1099
01:37:15,361 --> 01:37:16,381
Yeah, no problem.

1100
01:37:16,621 --> 01:37:17,761
I think we've covered it all off.

1101
01:37:17,801 --> 01:37:21,941
So I want to ask you now about, and big shout out to Mike.

1102
01:37:21,941 --> 01:37:26,501
how did he not convince you?

1103
01:37:26,641 --> 01:37:28,281
I suppose that's not the right word.

1104
01:37:28,281 --> 01:37:36,581
Or kind of persuade you gently over a period of time to even consider accepting Bitcoin.

1105
01:37:36,981 --> 01:37:38,361
He was actually here this morning.

1106
01:37:38,661 --> 01:37:39,161
Was he really?

1107
01:37:39,421 --> 01:37:39,621
Yeah.

1108
01:37:42,021 --> 01:37:47,061
I don't remember how long ago he started asking me if I should do it.

1109
01:37:47,061 --> 01:37:55,361
and it was more of a case of just not understanding really what the process was or or any of it and um

1110
01:37:55,361 --> 01:38:01,301
he's very helpful and said i'll set you up and he sent me all the links and so i joined the satoshi's

1111
01:38:01,301 --> 01:38:07,681
wallet whenever it was and wallet satoshi sorry yeah wallet satoshi yeah and um so he probably

1112
01:38:07,681 --> 01:38:12,581
put it in place and then he said it's a great community and we'll you know we all stick together

1113
01:38:12,581 --> 01:38:16,501
and that's proven to be absolutely the case.

1114
01:38:16,501 --> 01:38:19,981
You know, many people have sent donations,

1115
01:38:21,321 --> 01:38:22,301
two or four pounds.

1116
01:38:23,121 --> 01:38:24,821
It's like, wow, these people actually,

1117
01:38:25,161 --> 01:38:26,181
well, that's, you know,

1118
01:38:26,221 --> 01:38:28,141
thanks for being the first raw milk producer

1119
01:38:28,141 --> 01:38:30,821
accepting Bitcoin or just local

1120
01:38:30,821 --> 01:38:31,721
and we want to support you.

1121
01:38:31,801 --> 01:38:34,601
And I've had different Bitcoin customers come

1122
01:38:34,601 --> 01:38:35,681
and they say, we're a Bitcoiner

1123
01:38:35,681 --> 01:38:37,421
and, you know, we heard about you on Daniel

1124
01:38:37,421 --> 01:38:40,421
or Mike said or somebody else said.

1125
01:38:40,421 --> 01:38:47,681
and so yeah it's really it's an interesting interesting community let's put it that way

1126
01:38:47,681 --> 01:38:54,281
yeah we've had some good chats next to your shed with uh with other people that um i just met that

1127
01:38:54,281 --> 01:38:58,681
when we were there and i forgot to ask you lauren's first question she's not around actually

1128
01:38:58,681 --> 01:39:05,321
um her and samuel her her twin brother have just uh started a land management course john

1129
01:39:05,321 --> 01:39:08,861
with exposure to animals

1130
01:39:08,861 --> 01:39:10,821
all the way from insects

1131
01:39:10,821 --> 01:39:12,721
all the way up through to I think the largest

1132
01:39:12,721 --> 01:39:14,321
they have there on site

1133
01:39:14,321 --> 01:39:16,861
would be a goat or a sheep I can't remember

1134
01:39:16,861 --> 01:39:18,281
one of the two but

1135
01:39:18,281 --> 01:39:20,761
everything in between you know the bunnies

1136
01:39:20,761 --> 01:39:22,921
the guinea pigs and chickens

1137
01:39:22,921 --> 01:39:24,521
blah blah blah and

1138
01:39:24,521 --> 01:39:26,741
so they've started doing that but

1139
01:39:26,741 --> 01:39:28,301
she's a big cow fan

1140
01:39:28,301 --> 01:39:30,801
her favourite animal is

1141
01:39:30,801 --> 01:39:32,741
a cow she's got cow pictures she's got

1142
01:39:32,741 --> 01:39:34,421
cow slippers like she's a cow girl

1143
01:39:34,421 --> 01:39:41,081
and uh she wanted to know she's asked this from uh another farmer before but she wanted to know

1144
01:39:41,081 --> 01:39:56,071
is it true that cows have best friends within the herd yeah that so lovely The other guy said the same He a Norwegian guy does regenerative farming

1145
01:39:56,071 --> 01:39:58,911
and accepts Bitcoin for beef and whatever else.

1146
01:39:59,091 --> 01:40:00,371
And he said exactly the same thing.

1147
01:40:01,051 --> 01:40:01,211
Yeah.

1148
01:40:01,431 --> 01:40:04,391
No, they definitely have their friends and their enemies.

1149
01:40:05,631 --> 01:40:06,551
Yeah, of course.

1150
01:40:07,391 --> 01:40:07,551
Yeah.

1151
01:40:07,651 --> 01:40:08,031
Amazing.

1152
01:40:08,031 --> 01:40:20,591
Oh, yes. And we find that if you separate them for feeding purposes, let's say, you know, one cow's, you know, I've got the milking herd and then I've got the dry herd.

1153
01:40:21,291 --> 01:40:30,271
And dryers will go with the beef. And sometimes if you separate them, it may be like a gate that's separating them, but they will stand each other at the gate.

1154
01:40:30,271 --> 01:40:38,071
And I saw two yesterday that had come up, Jersey Girl and one of the Spoon.

1155
01:40:38,651 --> 01:40:40,471
So they were just either side of the gate.

1156
01:40:41,091 --> 01:40:43,351
Just like talking, I suppose.

1157
01:40:43,431 --> 01:40:44,831
I don't know what they were saying to each other.

1158
01:40:45,631 --> 01:40:48,511
And then I went off and fed one group and she had a spoonful of me out.

1159
01:40:48,611 --> 01:40:51,491
But yeah, no, they do have their relationships.

1160
01:40:52,291 --> 01:40:52,471
Excellent.

1161
01:40:53,091 --> 01:40:54,491
Well, so back to Bitcoin.

1162
01:40:55,111 --> 01:40:58,311
I'm sure we've explained this to you before, Rick and I, when we were there

1163
01:40:58,311 --> 01:40:59,971
and other Bitcoiners that have come along,

1164
01:41:00,311 --> 01:41:02,191
like, you know, it's important to us

1165
01:41:02,191 --> 01:41:04,531
that we can get access to real food.

1166
01:41:05,391 --> 01:41:08,891
And we want to, the best way for us to express that

1167
01:41:08,891 --> 01:41:13,951
and communicate the value is to use the best form of money

1168
01:41:13,951 --> 01:41:17,491
that humans have ever discovered or invented.

1169
01:41:17,771 --> 01:41:20,111
There's even, you know, did we discover it?

1170
01:41:20,131 --> 01:41:20,811
Did we invent it?

1171
01:41:21,011 --> 01:41:23,151
There's that whole rabbit hole to deal with.

1172
01:41:23,971 --> 01:41:25,691
But when, and this is,

1173
01:41:25,851 --> 01:41:28,171
I'm talking to my local farmer at the moment,

1174
01:41:28,311 --> 01:41:31,771
And he seems very keen, very interested to learn, just like you were.

1175
01:41:32,291 --> 01:41:40,091
And I think that the farming community is definitely geared up to understand this because value for value.

1176
01:41:40,631 --> 01:41:45,651
If I'm handing, I went and bought a great big top side of beef the other day from him.

1177
01:41:46,131 --> 01:41:50,931
And that was 60 pounds and 15 pounds a kilo.

1178
01:41:51,151 --> 01:41:52,011
So it was a big piece.

1179
01:41:52,071 --> 01:41:55,431
I was feeding 10, 11 people and I handed it to him.

1180
01:41:55,611 --> 01:41:57,371
And he's like, yeah, I'm not set up for Bitcoin yet.

1181
01:41:57,371 --> 01:41:58,851
I know, but we'll get you there.

1182
01:41:59,371 --> 01:42:05,191
Because right now I feel as I'm just giving you debt discharging instruments.

1183
01:42:06,211 --> 01:42:06,771
Right.

1184
01:42:07,431 --> 01:42:11,971
The time you've spent with that animal.

1185
01:42:12,831 --> 01:42:20,411
And for me, just to like flippantly throw three 20 pound notes across the table doesn't make me feel good.

1186
01:42:21,051 --> 01:42:23,431
I'm not upholding my end of the bargain here.

1187
01:42:23,611 --> 01:42:25,311
I am not giving you value.

1188
01:42:25,311 --> 01:42:27,251
What I'm taking from you is valuable.

1189
01:42:27,371 --> 01:42:34,011
and I'm giving you something that is going to be debased and degraded and worth less over time.

1190
01:42:34,251 --> 01:42:41,011
That is not a fair exchange. And this is what we Bitcoiners hope that when we when we have these

1191
01:42:41,011 --> 01:42:46,691
discussions and find people like yourself that are willing to take that risk in air quotes, right?

1192
01:42:46,891 --> 01:42:51,891
What's the risk? Like you might you might get a couple of extra hundred pounds a month and it's

1193
01:42:51,891 --> 01:42:57,331
going to be in Bitcoin and you'll look at it in two or three years time. You'll be like, oh,

1194
01:42:57,371 --> 01:43:03,411
shit well that's now worth x amount and you know these touch points will just keep coming and the

1195
01:43:03,411 --> 01:43:09,451
epiphanies will just keep dropping and then we can start decentralizing everything and you know

1196
01:43:09,451 --> 01:43:15,671
building these communities and uh we touched uh again on like the lawful versus legal thing i've

1197
01:43:15,671 --> 01:43:21,931
done a few podcasts on that already uh and i know you've been looking into that um maybe we'll do

1198
01:43:21,931 --> 01:43:28,071
that one another day i don't know but just quickly to quickly to to bounce a question off off of you

1199
01:43:28,071 --> 01:43:38,191
on that um the registration of um what what what is in the tack vector i think in in has been going

1200
01:43:38,191 --> 01:43:45,711
on all over europe are these mass coals of livestock uh bird flu for example or uh what's

1201
01:43:45,711 --> 01:43:55,091
the what's the cow one clarkson tweeted about this oh tb tb um has has he had to destroy some animals

1202
01:43:55,091 --> 01:44:09,651
or right how that's awful obviously um is is the way you farm it because you have to register your

1203
01:44:09,651 --> 01:44:15,811
animals right and if you register something then it's you give power away it's you've give power

1204
01:44:15,811 --> 01:44:20,511
away and it's now owned by the governing body and if they say you've got to kill all your cows

1205
01:44:20,511 --> 01:44:31,191
you've got to kill all your cows yep so i am looking into deregistering um everything if i can

1206
01:44:31,191 --> 01:44:41,631
my problem will be that i can't if i deregister a i'm going to be a target a huge target for the

1207
01:44:41,631 --> 01:44:46,891
government because they're going to want to shut that down as quick as they can um i need other

1208
01:44:46,891 --> 01:44:53,791
farmers to deal with because if i have calves to sell let's say and they don't have ear tags or

1209
01:44:53,791 --> 01:45:00,151
passports they can't go into the general market i can't take stuff to the abattoir because it has

1210
01:45:00,151 --> 01:45:06,791
to have passport and an ear tag um so as a livestock farmer i either need to get more land

1211
01:45:06,791 --> 01:45:12,091
so i can just grow everything i want build an abattoir and just cocoon myself from it

1212
01:45:12,091 --> 01:45:19,611
that would be the plan that would be the ultimate plan the problem is that takes a lot of money

1213
01:45:19,611 --> 01:45:28,691
and putting in a abattoir is going to be a few a few million before you even even start

1214
01:45:28,691 --> 01:45:30,551
you still there

1215
01:45:30,551 --> 01:45:32,751
yeah go ahead just lost my camera

1216
01:45:32,751 --> 01:45:33,271
no it's back

1217
01:45:33,271 --> 01:45:34,511
and

1218
01:45:34,511 --> 01:45:38,191
so I think

1219
01:45:38,191 --> 01:45:39,691
as I said to you earlier

1220
01:45:39,691 --> 01:45:42,771
the farmer of the future won't be the farmer of today

1221
01:45:42,771 --> 01:45:44,271
so

1222
01:45:44,271 --> 01:45:55,162
in my view it will be new entrants people like yourself saying right we want a couple of cows Where can we get a couple of unregistered cows

1223
01:45:56,942 --> 01:45:59,282
Well, I'll be that person and I can start you up.

1224
01:46:00,782 --> 01:46:02,262
Then you can stay unregistered.

1225
01:46:02,382 --> 01:46:07,422
And then maybe I can sell you a calf for beef or, you know, you can sell me calves back.

1226
01:46:07,502 --> 01:46:13,022
And before we know it, we're going to have a whole network of people that we can do outside of the registration.

1227
01:46:14,042 --> 01:46:15,022
This sounds awesome.

1228
01:46:15,022 --> 01:46:21,182
this this is the bitcoiners dream like to have the citadel like the small holding you know

1229
01:46:21,182 --> 01:46:27,322
anywhere between one to five acres some might want 100 whatever but like you know take it slow

1230
01:46:27,322 --> 01:46:32,642
yeah no absolutely take it slow because you know five acres you can make plenty of food on fact

1231
01:46:32,642 --> 01:46:37,062
you make plenty of food on one acre half an acre if you like vegetables and things it wouldn't work

1232
01:46:37,062 --> 01:46:44,482
for me but um you know ruminants ruminants probably you know a cow needs probably at least

1233
01:46:44,482 --> 01:46:57,302
two acres to be able to survive grass-wise one cow one cow yeah right yeah um i mean i've got

1234
01:46:57,302 --> 01:47:06,382
i've got 110 animals that varies from a week old to oh this one's about 14 at the moment um

1235
01:47:06,382 --> 01:47:16,422
and i farm 160 acres so i'm through quite a few mistakes not just mine

1236
01:47:16,422 --> 01:47:21,562
something else's as well the vet um i've got a lot more animals than i should have

1237
01:47:21,562 --> 01:47:29,242
um would that be roger no no no roger no roger is just um he's actually a friend he does a few

1238
01:47:29,242 --> 01:47:36,242
bits for me but he's not my sign if you like right we we we were supposed to have had a bull

1239
01:47:36,242 --> 01:47:48,062
vasectomized and he he clearly wasn't very fertile very fertile ball um so i've got a lot of um brown

1240
01:47:48,062 --> 01:47:54,962
babies on the floor i didn't want brown babies at market don't make very good money so i've kept

1241
01:47:54,962 --> 01:48:02,202
them to grow them to to be to be bigger steers what what do you mean brown babies uh so south

1242
01:48:02,202 --> 01:48:07,442
devon sorry the south breed that's the breed right i see breed yeah i say brown bear that's

1243
01:48:07,442 --> 01:48:14,602
the color basically the color of them right i've got you and um so i i i use artificial insemination

1244
01:48:14,602 --> 01:48:19,122
and he was like a tease teaseable so he was supposed to tell me when they were coming into

1245
01:48:19,122 --> 01:48:23,702
season or you know when when they ovulated when they were ready to be as soon as he served them

1246
01:48:23,702 --> 01:48:26,502
I know I had about 12 hours after that, 12 to 18 hours,

1247
01:48:27,102 --> 01:48:28,442
to artificially inseminate them.

1248
01:48:28,882 --> 01:48:35,402
Because obviously live semen is much more virile than frozen semen.

1249
01:48:35,802 --> 01:48:37,362
And when you put frozen semen in,

1250
01:48:37,402 --> 01:48:39,342
you're trying to meet the egg coming down the fallopian tube.

1251
01:48:39,422 --> 01:48:41,642
So you've got the advantage of it coming.

1252
01:48:41,782 --> 01:48:45,722
You're meeting it halfway, whereas his semen was having to go all the way up

1253
01:48:45,722 --> 01:48:47,442
to try and get it towards the top.

1254
01:48:47,562 --> 01:48:47,702
Anyway.

1255
01:48:49,602 --> 01:48:50,622
Well, that's interesting.

1256
01:48:50,622 --> 01:48:51,042
Right, right.

1257
01:48:51,042 --> 01:48:56,282
so it's it's in your interest to do the artificial insemination because you're going to have a much

1258
01:48:56,282 --> 01:49:07,502
better um result like no no you'd have be less less of a less less um less effective the uh the

1259
01:49:07,502 --> 01:49:13,842
the reason we use artificial insemination is because they will choose what the progeny is

1260
01:49:13,842 --> 01:49:21,862
going to be so if we've got a jersey a nice jersey cow we will serve her with a jersey sire i see yes

1261
01:49:21,862 --> 01:49:30,842
we can get sire but if we've got too many i don't want all of my cows to have the same calves so if

1262
01:49:30,842 --> 01:49:36,242
we've already got enough jersey progeny coming through then we'll we'll serve them to an angus

1263
01:49:36,242 --> 01:49:42,082
aberdeen angus and the aberdeen angus meat is just cross with jersey is just the best

1264
01:49:42,082 --> 01:49:50,962
so we're choosing cow to cow so like a young cow would have a far easier calving bull so you as they

1265
01:49:50,962 --> 01:49:58,522
the more tested they are the more data you get to how easy they are to calving so

1266
01:49:58,522 --> 01:50:05,322
our focus is on making sure that the cow is calved as easy as possible so we'll have easy

1267
01:50:05,322 --> 01:50:10,342
and then they they you've got a whole list i don't know how many things are 25 30 things on

1268
01:50:10,342 --> 01:50:17,522
the list of why you would choose the ball confirmation increase in milk um feet whether

1269
01:50:17,522 --> 01:50:22,582
they get good feet or not whether they um fat covering and all that sort of stuff depends on

1270
01:50:22,582 --> 01:50:28,662
what sort of ball they are so there's an index so they've they've narrowed it down to a a um

1271
01:50:28,662 --> 01:50:35,642
two basically two indicators so you can plus for i can't remember what it is like sarah does all

1272
01:50:35,642 --> 01:50:42,342
that i don't get involved in it because it bores me but um one's for like a a um a finished carcass

1273
01:50:42,342 --> 01:50:49,422
rating and then another one's for dairy rating so you can say oh yeah it's plus 360 whatever it

1274
01:50:49,422 --> 01:50:58,162
means or or minus if it's uh if you're going to go go backwards so um it's uh it allows us to

1275
01:50:58,162 --> 01:51:06,962
manipulate what animals we have on the farm and so like with the breeding stock if you if you um

1276
01:51:06,962 --> 01:51:15,802
sorry the productive milk producing side you want to have females obviously they do something called

1277
01:51:15,802 --> 01:51:22,902
sex semen now so they will literally sex the semen in the laboratories by hand i think they do

1278
01:51:22,902 --> 01:51:29,242
there must be a process by now but they were doing it by hand and i don't know how i have no idea how

1279
01:51:29,242 --> 01:51:33,902
so you would inject with sex semen so you'd be expecting to have a girl out of that so

1280
01:51:33,902 --> 01:51:41,582
jersey and brown swiss fleck v the um um you would you would expect them to be girls because

1281
01:51:41,582 --> 01:51:47,402
boy jerseys don't make very good carcasses because they're really they're really tiny

1282
01:51:47,402 --> 01:52:01,893
so you want to have a little bit of bulk on them they look like girls when they older basically Soy boys So they don have their genetics to get bulky in the same way that the beef animals do

1283
01:52:03,033 --> 01:52:04,513
Not that I explained that very well.

1284
01:52:04,673 --> 01:52:05,173
No, you did.

1285
01:52:05,173 --> 01:52:07,973
It makes a lot of sense.

1286
01:52:08,433 --> 01:52:19,053
And just another insight into the level of detail and whatever and work that goes in that we as outsiders just don't get to see.

1287
01:52:19,913 --> 01:52:24,813
which is why it's great that you were willing to come on the podcast and have this chat.

1288
01:52:24,953 --> 01:52:25,893
I really appreciate it.

1289
01:52:26,013 --> 01:52:34,873
And it's a testament to you and what you're trying to achieve as well by being open and listening to Mike

1290
01:52:34,873 --> 01:52:40,713
and being open to learn about Bitcoin and just play around with it and accept.

1291
01:52:40,713 --> 01:52:49,633
I'll put a link to the farm in the show notes with a QR code and your wallet of Satoshi address.

1292
01:52:49,633 --> 01:52:53,693
so people can send donations if they want to help support.

1293
01:52:54,413 --> 01:52:57,753
Are you at the point yet where you're delivering out?

1294
01:52:58,373 --> 01:53:01,293
Is it around the UK if people wanted to buy your product?

1295
01:53:01,773 --> 01:53:02,833
At the moment, no.

1296
01:53:03,113 --> 01:53:05,293
We've had a really rough winter, summer.

1297
01:53:05,453 --> 01:53:07,053
I'm sure you've all realised there's been no rain.

1298
01:53:07,393 --> 01:53:09,193
So we just haven't had the grass.

1299
01:53:09,333 --> 01:53:11,293
So the milk year has been pretty depressed.

1300
01:53:13,293 --> 01:53:15,813
And sadly, we've been using our winter forage

1301
01:53:15,813 --> 01:53:17,573
to get us through this period.

1302
01:53:17,573 --> 01:53:22,233
So at the moment, we're not quite sure how we're going to get through the winter.

1303
01:53:23,273 --> 01:53:25,293
We're probably going to have to lose quite a few animals.

1304
01:53:25,713 --> 01:53:27,313
And every farmer is in the same boat.

1305
01:53:28,613 --> 01:53:30,713
So at the moment, we haven't got enough to send out.

1306
01:53:31,513 --> 01:53:31,613
Right.

1307
01:53:32,093 --> 01:53:36,173
But we do have an online shop where you can buy milk and we can send it out at some point.

1308
01:53:36,253 --> 01:53:38,813
But it probably almost certainly won't be till the spring now.

1309
01:53:39,273 --> 01:53:39,633
Okay.

1310
01:53:40,233 --> 01:53:40,513
All right.

1311
01:53:40,653 --> 01:53:45,553
Well, it's sad because we'd like to obviously give as many people the opportunity.

1312
01:53:45,553 --> 01:53:53,513
well I've got some I've got some in the freezer so we're all good well John I'll let you go mate

1313
01:53:53,513 --> 01:53:58,913
I'm sure you've got pigs to go and uh double check haven't escaped again and uh all the rest

1314
01:53:58,913 --> 01:54:03,033
of it I know you've always got customers turning up and uh I appreciate you giving up your time

1315
01:54:03,033 --> 01:54:08,133
and everything that you're doing to to help people learn about how to get healthy and um

1316
01:54:08,133 --> 01:54:13,113
yeah and farming I think it's very very important appreciate appreciate everything you're doing

1317
01:54:13,113 --> 01:54:14,073
Thank you, Daniel.

1318
01:54:14,673 --> 01:54:15,873
Have a good afternoon, mate.

1319
01:54:16,053 --> 01:54:16,513
Thank you, sir.

1320
01:54:17,513 --> 01:54:18,633
Well, there you go, listeners.

1321
01:54:18,813 --> 01:54:20,473
Thank you, everybody, for tuning in.

1322
01:54:20,593 --> 01:54:22,573
Thank you, John, for coming on the show

1323
01:54:22,573 --> 01:54:24,693
and sharing all of your experience.

1324
01:54:25,173 --> 01:54:25,753
Worm farming.

1325
01:54:25,933 --> 01:54:29,453
I did not have worm farming on my bingo card

1326
01:54:29,453 --> 01:54:32,773
for learning about worm farming in 2025.

1327
01:54:33,893 --> 01:54:35,733
I love all these little rabbit holes,

1328
01:54:35,873 --> 01:54:36,793
these niche stories,

1329
01:54:36,973 --> 01:54:38,553
learning about other people's lives.

1330
01:54:38,673 --> 01:54:40,073
I'm sure many of you do too.

1331
01:54:40,193 --> 01:54:41,393
And what brings them to Bitcoin?

1332
01:54:41,553 --> 01:54:42,733
And in John's case,

1333
01:54:43,113 --> 01:54:43,833
His product.

1334
01:54:44,433 --> 01:54:48,873
Because his product is so damn good and people like us are going to value it,

1335
01:54:49,173 --> 01:54:54,733
we're going to want to exchange the best form of money humans have ever discovered for that.

1336
01:54:54,913 --> 01:54:56,233
Like that is the communication.

1337
01:54:57,353 --> 01:55:00,373
I've got a friend here now close to where I live.

1338
01:55:00,713 --> 01:55:02,493
I'm buying beef from him with cash.

1339
01:55:02,593 --> 01:55:05,013
That feels dirty to me because it's just cash.

1340
01:55:05,013 --> 01:55:09,793
I mean, yes, he's going to be able to use it, but it's not going to be storing value.

1341
01:55:09,913 --> 01:55:11,013
It's going to be debased.

1342
01:55:11,013 --> 01:55:14,873
It's going to be losing purchasing power the minute it hits his pocket.

1343
01:55:15,373 --> 01:55:17,933
And it's not a true, it's a debt discharging instrument.

1344
01:55:18,073 --> 01:55:23,053
It's not a true representation of everything that he's done,

1345
01:55:23,113 --> 01:55:26,933
all of that work, that time, that energy to rear the cattle,

1346
01:55:27,233 --> 01:55:29,413
to, in John's case, to make the milk.

1347
01:55:30,433 --> 01:55:35,213
And, you know, put his reputation on the line,

1348
01:55:35,353 --> 01:55:38,013
put his career on the line, everything on the line,

1349
01:55:38,013 --> 01:55:41,113
because don't forget, raw milk is bad for you, right guys?

1350
01:55:41,173 --> 01:55:42,953
You should be drinking the pasteurized stuff.

1351
01:55:44,173 --> 01:55:46,333
We touched on that rabbit hole in this discussion.

1352
01:55:47,033 --> 01:55:48,753
You know, you're pissing against the wind.

1353
01:55:49,333 --> 01:55:52,693
So it will be people like us

1354
01:55:52,693 --> 01:55:54,913
that are listening to this podcast

1355
01:55:54,913 --> 01:55:58,573
that can help people like John and your local farmer.

1356
01:55:58,693 --> 01:56:00,213
Go find them, go shake their hands,

1357
01:56:00,333 --> 01:56:01,313
start having a conversation,

1358
01:56:01,553 --> 01:56:04,553
ask if you can buy direct, start that thing rolling.

1359
01:56:04,553 --> 01:56:07,473
If you run a Bitcoin podcast, invite the farmer down.

1360
01:56:08,013 --> 01:56:09,933
Our local lad, he's coming along.

1361
01:56:10,053 --> 01:56:11,153
He's been to his first one.

1362
01:56:11,213 --> 01:56:11,793
He loved it.

1363
01:56:12,033 --> 01:56:14,253
He's going to come along to the next one as well.

1364
01:56:14,693 --> 01:56:17,193
And we've already got Bitcoiners buying beef off him.

1365
01:56:17,553 --> 01:56:18,493
So it's not just me.

1366
01:56:19,313 --> 01:56:20,353
This is how we start.

1367
01:56:20,453 --> 01:56:21,453
Get over to Orange Pill App.

1368
01:56:21,553 --> 01:56:22,473
Find your local people.

1369
01:56:22,773 --> 01:56:25,053
If you're not on Orange Pill App right now, you should be.

1370
01:56:25,173 --> 01:56:26,033
It's that simple.

1371
01:56:26,293 --> 01:56:30,293
18,000 Bitcoiners on the app waiting to connect with you.

1372
01:56:30,853 --> 01:56:34,453
And if you're traveling, it's a perfect tool to get up to speed.

1373
01:56:34,553 --> 01:56:36,053
What are the best things to do in the area?

1374
01:56:36,053 --> 01:56:42,553
get your personal tour guide if you want or get the get the find out where the uh the the local

1375
01:56:42,553 --> 01:56:47,853
places are that accept bitcoin the restaurants the bars the cafe whatever uh we have now the

1376
01:56:47,853 --> 01:56:54,553
wallet is fully up and running and functional it's great to use uh there's there's tap zap function

1377
01:56:54,553 --> 01:56:59,993
where if if you're dming with someone you know like you hit the like button on twitter and it's

1378
01:56:59,993 --> 01:57:05,133
just kind of a little acknowledgement that you've seen it you can do that now on the orange pill app

1379
01:57:05,133 --> 01:57:14,173
dms you just tap the message and instead of a like you send one sap it's so cool so they get the sap

1380
01:57:14,173 --> 01:57:20,973
and the acknowledgement that you've seen it and it's it's people are having so much fun with it

1381
01:57:20,973 --> 01:57:26,473
the geo zapping as well you can geo zap a whole city i geo zapped new york the other day

1382
01:57:26,473 --> 01:57:33,053
london i know i geo zapped uk to tell them about the conference that's coming up in berry st edmunds

1383
01:57:33,053 --> 01:57:36,073
I said at the beginning of the show, hit the link in the show notes.

1384
01:57:36,173 --> 01:57:37,353
Get along there this weekend.

1385
01:57:37,533 --> 01:57:38,513
That's going to be great fun.

1386
01:57:38,853 --> 01:57:40,353
And Manchester at the end of November.

1387
01:57:41,113 --> 01:57:42,413
That's enough for this week.

1388
01:57:42,553 --> 01:57:43,893
Make sure you're stacking your sats.

1389
01:57:44,333 --> 01:57:45,993
Thank you so much for listening, guys.

1390
01:57:46,173 --> 01:57:47,213
Look out on Fountain App.

1391
01:57:47,273 --> 01:57:48,553
You can get over there and subscribe,

1392
01:57:48,553 --> 01:57:50,873
and you won't have the intros and the outros.

1393
01:57:51,093 --> 01:57:54,833
You will just have the audio and early release on that as well.

1394
01:57:55,333 --> 01:57:56,253
Catch you on the next show.

1395
01:57:56,733 --> 01:57:57,273
Take it easy.