1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,840 Hello, everybody. My name is Daniel Prince, and I'm the host of the Once Bitten podcast. 2 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:17,560 This is a podcast focused on Bitcoin. It's my mission to interview as many people as I can 3 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:24,540 around the different aspects of Bitcoin and help people understand exactly what Bitcoin could mean 4 00:00:24,540 --> 00:00:29,560 for them and for their families and for their future. I hope you enjoy the show. Thank you so 5 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:36,460 much for listening. Hello everybody and welcome to this episode of the Once Bitten Podcast. 6 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:42,460 Apologies for the quality of the audio in the intro, don't worry, the full body of the intro 7 00:00:42,460 --> 00:00:49,740 is perfectly good. Quality audio, I am away from my professional recording equipment right now, 8 00:00:50,220 --> 00:00:58,640 so you know what they say, the show must go on. We've got Josh from Consensus 21 on this episode. 9 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:11,380 What is Consensus 21? You might ask. Well, it is going to be a physical location for education, but a different stance on education. 10 00:01:11,540 --> 00:01:20,200 I know a lot of you have followed me down like the unschooling or homeschooling or world schooling rabbit hole, especially if you've read my book, Choose Life. 11 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:26,120 that's an account of how my wife and I took our four kids out of conventional schooling 12 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:30,860 quit my career and went traveling with all the kids for about two and a half years when we home 13 00:01:30,860 --> 00:01:36,320 swapped our way around the world go grab yourself a copy it's been given great reviews and it has 14 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:41,680 changed many people's lives and I'm shocked I never shill it actually so there you go there's 15 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:48,320 a shill for my own book you can follow the link in the show notes and get a 10% discount if you 16 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:53,640 use the code BITTON at checkout on Consensus Network not just for that book but any other 17 00:01:53,640 --> 00:02:00,980 books on there that you purchase. Now Josh is part of a team that is setting up a really interesting 18 00:02:00,980 --> 00:02:10,060 I think school is the wrong word educational center where it's going to be centered around 19 00:02:10,060 --> 00:02:18,760 the ethos of Bitcoin and education the right way, following the instinct and the leads and 20 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:25,380 the interest of the children and then marrying that in with, of course, education around financial 21 00:02:25,380 --> 00:02:32,920 sovereignty, which is something we're sorely going to need as we move into this next parallel 22 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:38,660 world when we build everything again from scratch, but on a Bitcoin standard. 23 00:02:38,660 --> 00:02:52,600 This particular model is going to be based in Melbourne, Australia, but that doesn't mean that you, once you've listened to this and are inspired, can't go and then build out your own one wherever you live. 24 00:02:52,700 --> 00:02:57,240 Just reach out to Josh. The team are going to be there, ready to interact with you. 25 00:02:57,340 --> 00:03:05,880 I'm sure they're going to be more than happy to open source all of their knowledge on this to get as many of these up and running as we possibly can around the world. 26 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:35,860 I hope you enjoy the show. Before we get into it, please, I just want to give a shout out to the show sponsors here. Relay, R-E-L-A-I dot C-H forward slash Bitten. You can download the app if you're in Europe. Across Europe, you can start stacking sats with Relay. They've been around now for a long time. Been one, I think, maybe the second or third sponsor of the show way back in 2020. Julian and the team there have built a great product and a great team. So go check them out. 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Do not leave them on an exchange. Have you got out and met some 36 00:04:35,860 --> 00:04:41,480 Bitcoiners yet? You've got the Bitcoin Balkans conference coming up in Sophia. Link in the show 37 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:47,120 notes. Then you've got Manchester. That's BitFest in Manchester and Nostashire as well. And then in 38 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:54,440 Japan, Tokyo, BTC Japan. What an awesome event that's going to be. So use the code BITTON for 39 00:04:54,440 --> 00:05:00,560 all of these conferences. Get yourself out there and simply download Orange Pill App and find out 40 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:15,040 If there is somebody near to you that you can go and meet for a coffee or a beer and just break out of the Twitter sphere or the Nostra sphere, wherever you're spending your time not in real life, you need to get in real life Bitcoin friends. 41 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,840 So Orange Pill App is the place for you to go and do that. 42 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:28,320 PayWithFlash.com is the simplest way for you to go and set yourself up to start accepting Bitcoin for your goods and services. 43 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:34,020 I recently tweeted, you should not accept Bitcoin for your goods and services. 44 00:05:34,580 --> 00:05:35,900 You should demand it. 45 00:05:37,180 --> 00:05:38,100 Demand Bitcoin. 46 00:05:38,860 --> 00:05:40,540 This is going to make a huge change. 47 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,660 And go out and look at plebeian.market. 48 00:05:43,140 --> 00:05:46,220 You'll see, you'll see, there was a, it might still be for sale. 49 00:05:46,300 --> 00:05:49,140 There was a yacht for sale on plebeian.market for Bitcoin. 50 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,740 Anyway, I hope you enjoy this one with Josh. 51 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:57,480 Make sure to reach out after the show, because I'm sure many of you are going to be inspired by this one. 52 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,220 All right, Josh, we are recording. Nice to meet you. 53 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,960 Nice to meet you as well, Dan. Thanks for having me on. 54 00:06:04,420 --> 00:06:07,940 No problem. No problem at all. Glad to. Thanks for reaching out. 55 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,060 You guys, I'm looking forward to learning about what you're doing. 56 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,500 Obviously, big on education. 57 00:06:15,860 --> 00:06:21,420 And we've done a mix of unschooling, world schooling, homeschooling, state schooling. 58 00:06:21,420 --> 00:06:38,080 I think we've pretty much touched every base, private schooling, Montessori schooling in different countries as well, whether it be Singapore, Thailand, France, now England, traveling with the kids long term for two years. 59 00:06:39,100 --> 00:06:49,040 I was asked actually at a conference this weekend whether it was Bitcoin that helped me start thinking about decentralizing all the other things in our life. 60 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:54,820 we actually found uh unschooling and world schooling before we found bitcoin so we separated 61 00:06:54,820 --> 00:07:00,320 education from state before we separated money from state it was very very close but you know 62 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:06,680 we would yeah that that that side of things just pipped bitcoin to the post there so yeah i'd love 63 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:15,300 to learn about your your past so why is education is this is this your past history is this what 64 00:07:15,300 --> 00:07:21,820 you've been doing for uh you know your past career no no i mean it's something that you know 65 00:07:21,820 --> 00:07:28,980 obviously as i started having kids i have three young boys um nine seven and five and you know 66 00:07:28,980 --> 00:07:36,300 as i started looking into you know their schooling um you know you find bitcoin and you kind of go 67 00:07:36,300 --> 00:07:40,880 down that path and it's funny you mentioned that because as we've been as we've been doing this 68 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:45,100 and putting the school together and talking to more and more people about it it's actually 69 00:07:45,100 --> 00:07:52,200 shocking the amount of people we talk to about the school and as you get further and further in 70 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:59,020 the conversation you know bitcoin kind of comes up and they're you're just sitting there thinking 71 00:07:59,020 --> 00:08:05,340 like okay you are a bitcoiner you just don't own bitcoin yet you know it's like you're almost there 72 00:08:05,340 --> 00:08:10,900 you know so it's it's interesting when we've we've talked about you know this type of schooling 73 00:08:10,900 --> 00:08:15,740 and everyone and it feels like it's very and that's we'll we'll get into it further down in 74 00:08:15,740 --> 00:08:20,880 the podcast but you know it is interesting how many bitcoiners are out there that just haven't 75 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:28,120 crossed that final line but myself i i've always been in business and finance and you know i like 76 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:32,960 i mentioned earlier i've i just moved out to australia about four years ago from southern 77 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:43,180 California, was in business, real estate, finance. And as I started kind of my second half of my 78 00:08:43,180 --> 00:08:51,280 career out here, that's one thing I kept running into is where do I send my kids to school? 79 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:57,660 And I've always leaned towards homeschooling, but never really felt 80 00:08:57,660 --> 00:09:07,120 homeschooling was really the full answer. And even when I thought of homeschooling, 81 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,100 I thought, yeah, that could be good for us. But, you know, just like anything, you know, 82 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,640 when you get into Bitcoin, you just want to share it, right? You want to find other people that 83 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:20,120 think like you, you want to find a community. And that's, I think, what I started thinking 84 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:25,440 about with schooling is if we could build something like what and curate that environment for 85 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:31,940 kids at a young age, I mean, from five, six years old, all the way through 20, 21 years old, 86 00:09:32,100 --> 00:09:40,380 and their entire world in education revolves around the principles of Bitcoin. You know, 87 00:09:40,380 --> 00:09:46,280 what would that look like when they're 20, 21 going out into the world? And I think that's 88 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:50,980 really what we're looking at here is, you know, Kieran, you know, unfortunately can't make it 89 00:09:50,980 --> 00:09:56,540 tonight, but Kieran is an incredible educator in tech and the Bitcoin world's been around forever. 90 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:04,420 Had the first Bitcoin school out here in Melbourne about 10 years ago. So incredibly early, 91 00:10:04,580 --> 00:10:09,540 incredibly bright in that department. And as we started talking, we kept getting more and more 92 00:10:09,540 --> 00:10:16,020 excited about, you know, what could we build around just those principles and what could we build 93 00:10:16,020 --> 00:10:21,600 around where the world's going and where the future is going and, you know, what I specialize 94 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:28,540 in, what he specializes in, and just giving kids that opportunity to grow in an environment that 95 00:10:28,540 --> 00:10:35,520 isn't, you know, a world from 100 years ago that was built 100 years ago and has stayed stale and 96 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:40,580 antiquated. And, you know, you walk into a classroom now and you look and it just makes me 97 00:10:40,580 --> 00:10:46,140 anxious. You know, my boys go to a pretty good school, but I still go into that school and think, 98 00:10:46,140 --> 00:10:51,820 man, I can't wait till this till consensus 21 gets opened because you have that anxiety when 99 00:10:51,820 --> 00:10:57,340 you walk in and there's 800 kids around you and, you know, it's just chaos and thinking, 100 00:10:57,580 --> 00:11:06,020 is this how anyone learns in any other, in any other facet? You know, when you're older and, 101 00:11:06,020 --> 00:11:12,940 you know you're 25 26 27 years old and in your career and head down and just imagine there's 800 102 00:11:12,940 --> 00:11:18,120 900 people around you yelling and screaming and distracting you and just doesn't make sense right 103 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:23,780 no none of it makes sense and when you take a very close look at it and and how it was designed 104 00:11:23,780 --> 00:11:31,800 especially in the u.s uh because that that happened back in 1902 1903 the general education board was 105 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:36,660 formed in a secret meeting amongst seven guys. 106 00:11:36,660 --> 00:11:50,365 Does this sound like a familiar playbook to you Yeah right Seven dudes get together in a secret meeting and figure out how to build an education system and then flaunt it to the masses as you know it free and education is 107 00:11:50,365 --> 00:11:55,285 a human right and all of this kind of shit and then give themselves preordain them themselves 108 00:11:55,285 --> 00:12:02,885 the um the ability to you know certificate what you're learning right so you own the process and 109 00:12:02,885 --> 00:12:09,465 then you are you own the certification and so you can only get the certificate if you put down the 110 00:12:09,465 --> 00:12:15,085 shit that we force you to learn and get that right and if you come at me with any kind of different 111 00:12:15,085 --> 00:12:21,445 information then you're going to get marked down uh and that's the i mean and by the way yeah john 112 00:12:21,445 --> 00:12:26,865 d rockefeller funded the general education board with a million dollars back in 1903 so yeah for 113 00:12:26,865 --> 00:12:31,625 all of you conspiracy theorists out there yeah it's the same people running the same shit every 114 00:12:31,625 --> 00:12:38,945 single time uh now what what's interesting here and i'm sure a lot of listeners are going to 115 00:12:38,945 --> 00:12:46,305 resonate with this uh you you you you coming from from california that's a state where 116 00:12:46,305 --> 00:12:55,045 homeschooling i'm pretty sure is you know quite accepted it's uh it's not unusual uh for to find 117 00:12:55,045 --> 00:13:02,745 families out there homeschooling whereas across the world especially in Europe it's very very 118 00:13:02,745 --> 00:13:07,605 difficult and getting more difficult where we were living in France they were really starting 119 00:13:07,605 --> 00:13:14,245 to clamp down on it making it very difficult for you to exit for you to deregister and then they 120 00:13:14,245 --> 00:13:20,725 would send around social welfare to come and look and then you'd have to take kids once a year into 121 00:13:20,725 --> 00:13:27,765 what you just described so you'd have to take the kids in for a control yeah they don't they don't 122 00:13:27,765 --> 00:13:34,645 hide it and they would have to sit in front of five teachers a math teacher geography teacher 123 00:13:34,645 --> 00:13:40,965 history teacher language teacher and science teacher and be grilled by each teacher for about 124 00:13:40,965 --> 00:13:49,105 20 minutes each forced to ask questions and answer questions excuse me and be expected to like you 125 00:13:49,105 --> 00:13:54,465 know give the verbatim curriculum answer back so the idea of homeschooling in france was like yeah 126 00:13:54,465 --> 00:14:01,045 you can homeschool but you have to use our exact curriculum which is obviously anti right yeah 127 00:14:01,045 --> 00:14:09,325 and that's cool so yeah how do you and it sounds to me like you're on board with it that's not 128 00:14:09,325 --> 00:14:16,905 always the case from my experience over the last 10 years of doing this meeting families from all 129 00:14:16,905 --> 00:14:23,205 around the world it's usually one parent that gets the bug first and has to convince the other parent 130 00:14:23,205 --> 00:14:28,285 is very rarely are both parents like right fuck this let's homeschool kids out and on we go 131 00:14:28,285 --> 00:14:34,925 there's always always a bit of tension is that the case with you guys or and how have you handled that 132 00:14:34,925 --> 00:14:45,065 yeah um yeah definitely I mean my wife is um you know a little bit more hesitant um 133 00:14:45,065 --> 00:14:57,865 You know, but, you know, I'm the Bitcoiner in the family and she kind of lets me amuse myself with my, you know, flying off to meetings and, you know, Bitcoin, Bitcoin meetups. 134 00:14:57,865 --> 00:15:05,805 And but, you know, it's been good to us. So she's as long as it's been good to us, she's she comes around. 135 00:15:05,805 --> 00:15:12,545 And I've been in her ear now for about five years and, you know, feed in her articles and books. 136 00:15:12,545 --> 00:15:30,825 And I think it is a difficult thing because, you know, if you're not, if you haven't, if you haven't, you know, taken that orange pill, right, if you haven't, if you haven't really embraced and understood that the system is just screwing us left, right and center. 137 00:15:30,825 --> 00:15:37,445 if you haven't gone down that rabbit hole, it's really hard to go down the other rabbit holes, 138 00:15:37,545 --> 00:15:44,025 right? I mean, you can talk about nutrition and education and almost anything when it comes to 139 00:15:44,025 --> 00:15:50,565 what is actually right systematically in our world right now. And you can kind of see it 140 00:15:50,565 --> 00:15:54,165 blowing it up. So, I mean, you know, when you're a Bitcoiner and you've read books like, 141 00:15:54,165 --> 00:15:59,945 you know, you know, the fourth turning or sovereign individual or things like this, 142 00:15:59,945 --> 00:16:08,185 education is the most obvious next step, right? Probably the most important next step of we got 143 00:16:08,185 --> 00:16:16,165 to fix it. And in a Bitcoiners mind, someone in the fiat world can't fix education. A Bitcoiner 144 00:16:16,165 --> 00:16:21,245 needs to fix education, right? Because there's a lot of things wrong with it. And if you haven't 145 00:16:21,245 --> 00:16:25,805 gone down those rabbit holes of everything is wrong, well, how are you ever really going to 146 00:16:25,805 --> 00:16:32,925 come around and say, okay, yeah, let's completely do it different. And, you know, so yeah, without a 147 00:16:32,925 --> 00:16:36,725 doubt, me and my wife have gotten into conversations. And I'd probably say it's just been in the last 148 00:16:36,725 --> 00:16:44,285 like three months where she's fully been on board of like, okay. And we are lucky with our school, 149 00:16:44,285 --> 00:16:48,465 we have an incredible principal at the school. Honestly, if it wasn't for the principal, 150 00:16:48,725 --> 00:16:55,325 we know personally, the principal and the assistant principal, we, you know, we're on my wife is on 151 00:16:55,325 --> 00:17:05,385 the council and um it's a very um you say like right leaning school um like a lot of people 152 00:17:05,385 --> 00:17:10,725 there are bitcoiners without them owning bitcoin when it comes to that so we are lucky in that 153 00:17:10,725 --> 00:17:16,825 regard um but i would say that has been the hardest thing over the last two years is really 154 00:17:16,825 --> 00:17:23,605 fully getting her on board and luckily she has been and you know also we're in australia which 155 00:17:23,605 --> 00:17:28,945 this probably would shock a lot of people but australia i believe is the only country in the 156 00:17:28,945 --> 00:17:36,305 world that government funds private schools independent schools so um myself and kieran 157 00:17:36,305 --> 00:17:44,245 went a long time thinking what do we do here do we completely go like a homeschool co-op we spent 158 00:17:44,245 --> 00:17:49,605 almost a year figuring out how to do this privately funded accepting no government money 159 00:17:49,605 --> 00:17:56,945 and then we started touring a bunch of really really cool schools that are basically outside 160 00:17:56,945 --> 00:18:03,845 of the system but are government funded and it was pretty shocking when we visited them that 161 00:18:03,845 --> 00:18:09,985 yeah none of the you know crazy curriculum that's enforced in a lot of schools is being taught there 162 00:18:09,985 --> 00:18:14,605 so it kind of gave us an opening an idea of like well man we can really scale this thing in 163 00:18:14,605 --> 00:18:23,405 Australia pretty quickly if we can kind of use government funding. And oddly enough, when I've 164 00:18:23,405 --> 00:18:29,405 talked to a lot of people, even people that are in, you know, in some of the local city councils, 165 00:18:29,405 --> 00:18:35,545 and we talk about what we're doing, you know, I don't tell them everything quite yet. 166 00:18:36,405 --> 00:18:42,165 But, you know, when I talk about what we're teaching at the school, everyone is like, 167 00:18:42,165 --> 00:18:47,045 that's so needed right now yeah i mean yes obviously we need this like what can we do to 168 00:18:47,045 --> 00:18:53,445 help so it you know some people you have to leave some stuff out on um you know try to take the uber 169 00:18:53,445 --> 00:19:01,665 approach and get to the point of it's so it becomes so much of a demand from parents that 170 00:19:01,665 --> 00:19:08,825 by the time we do get to that point of wait a minute they're teaching austrian economics and 171 00:19:08,825 --> 00:19:13,965 Bitcoin and, you know, doing everything that we're doing in the school. We're just hoping it's going 172 00:19:13,965 --> 00:19:18,405 to be too late for them to really do anything about it, I guess you could say. That's very 173 00:19:18,405 --> 00:19:23,365 interesting to find out that the government is funding private schools and leaving them alone, 174 00:19:23,365 --> 00:19:30,945 because it's the opposite here. Like the, if you're a private school, you can get some kind 175 00:19:30,945 --> 00:19:35,465 of government funding. But as soon as that starts coming in, then you've got their governing bodies 176 00:19:35,465 --> 00:19:41,085 coming in and checking your school every year it's called Ofsted here in the UK I can't I can't 177 00:19:41,085 --> 00:19:45,885 talk for other countries but the way it works here now if you've got a completely self-funded school 178 00:19:45,885 --> 00:19:52,225 which we were using for the kids last year completely self-funded democratic kind of 179 00:19:52,225 --> 00:19:58,165 homeschool community school that would run three days a week and the reason it could only run three 180 00:19:58,165 --> 00:20:04,625 days a week is because they if they had any if they had a minute longer on the schedule that would 181 00:20:04,625 --> 00:20:12,365 put them into this band of, ah, right, now you need to apply to become like an official school, 182 00:20:12,485 --> 00:20:19,265 then you will be given the funding, and then you come under. But like that, it's a very, 183 00:20:19,345 --> 00:20:23,405 very fine line. And they obviously decided, no, we're staying completely private, it'll be funded 184 00:20:23,405 --> 00:20:29,725 by families. And that's the way to do it. So it's interesting to hear that you guys can still use 185 00:20:29,725 --> 00:20:38,045 those funds and essentially like duck under the radar do what you need to do teach what you want 186 00:20:38,045 --> 00:20:47,705 to teach you won't be governed at all like you won't have uh you will be um you know what can i 187 00:20:47,705 --> 00:20:52,805 actually say about this you you of course will be governed and so i mean there will be some curriculum 188 00:20:52,805 --> 00:20:59,705 that needs to be taught but there there are a lot of ways around that curriculum right so 189 00:20:59,705 --> 00:21:03,805 So that's one thing. What you just said was one thing that we were weighing heavily. 190 00:21:04,665 --> 00:21:12,865 We spent probably the first year developing this as a homeschooling co-op, completely private funded, being open two to three days a week. 191 00:21:13,525 --> 00:21:14,885 Exactly what you're explaining. 192 00:21:14,885 --> 00:21:21,165 and as we started visiting more and more of these democratic schools that were government funded 193 00:21:21,165 --> 00:21:29,745 it kind of opened our eyes a lot of like wow you're really not following a whole lot of what 194 00:21:29,745 --> 00:21:38,305 we view as the curriculum in these schools right so um you know it was it was a decision that we 195 00:21:38,305 --> 00:21:44,345 finally were like okay well if we can i mean if we can get government funding and scale a lot faster 196 00:21:44,345 --> 00:21:53,945 through this and a lot of what we're doing is really viewed positively in certain circles around 197 00:21:53,945 --> 00:22:02,325 here even politically that you know it's hard to like when you have a focus of um you know teaching 198 00:22:02,325 --> 00:22:08,125 what is coming down the pipe from a from a from a future standpoint it's going to be really hard 199 00:22:08,125 --> 00:22:14,525 to have anyone deny that of, you know, like AI and AI prompt engineering, entrepreneurship, 200 00:22:15,265 --> 00:22:22,385 you know, nutrition, finance, you know, a lot of that stuff that really isn't taught 201 00:22:22,385 --> 00:22:23,325 from a young age. 202 00:22:23,845 --> 00:22:28,905 You know, I already go and teach my nine and seven year old about Bitcoin and finance and 203 00:22:28,905 --> 00:22:29,345 investing. 204 00:22:29,745 --> 00:22:32,085 And, you know, like I'm sure a lot of Bitcoiners do. 205 00:22:32,085 --> 00:22:36,125 It's like they kind of catch on pretty quickly. 206 00:22:36,125 --> 00:22:40,045 if you have them one-on-one and able to explain things, right? 207 00:22:40,545 --> 00:22:41,245 So this is... 208 00:22:41,245 --> 00:22:42,625 And if they're into it, right? 209 00:22:42,625 --> 00:22:45,205 I think that's the biggest thing with this school 210 00:22:45,205 --> 00:22:48,645 and what me and Kieran are really focusing on 211 00:22:48,645 --> 00:22:51,085 is child-led learning, right? 212 00:22:51,205 --> 00:22:54,105 Like, I mean, the more books you read about, 213 00:22:54,285 --> 00:22:56,245 you know, even the Montessori, 214 00:22:56,525 --> 00:22:58,405 going down to Montessori type schools, 215 00:22:58,945 --> 00:23:00,785 is if kids are interested, 216 00:23:01,325 --> 00:23:03,685 they're going to become obsessed with learning. 217 00:23:04,105 --> 00:23:05,785 The problem is when you force them to learn something, 218 00:23:05,785 --> 00:23:08,445 they don't care about, it's like pushing a rope uphill. 219 00:23:08,445 --> 00:23:13,445 So yeah, it's a pretty exciting model that, 220 00:23:15,525 --> 00:23:19,045 I mean, we already have four or five different people 221 00:23:19,045 --> 00:23:30,930 looking to add a chapter as soon as we kind of get ours completely up and running So I think there a huge demand out there that once the supply is opened up 222 00:23:31,231 --> 00:23:34,131 I think we're going to see some pretty exciting things happen. 223 00:23:34,751 --> 00:23:37,371 So let's explain exactly what it's going to be. 224 00:23:37,451 --> 00:23:39,611 Is it going to be an ed tech platform 225 00:23:39,611 --> 00:23:42,391 or are you going to have in-person space? 226 00:23:42,650 --> 00:23:46,691 Just bring it from the ideation stage 227 00:23:46,691 --> 00:23:48,011 all the way to where you are now. 228 00:23:48,011 --> 00:24:02,451 Yeah. So the first what we're going to have is we're going to have kind of like the founding campus. Right. So the main campus will be here in Australia and it will be an in-person campus. 229 00:24:02,451 --> 00:24:09,071 Um, but really what it is, is it's, it's, it's kind of just like an open protocol. 230 00:24:09,071 --> 00:24:11,051 So we'll have an in-person campus. 231 00:24:11,511 --> 00:24:19,611 We'll have, you know, probably between 40 to 80 students and the ages will be eventually 232 00:24:19,611 --> 00:24:21,731 five to 21 years old. 233 00:24:21,811 --> 00:24:24,930 So we'll go through the entire system just at this campus. 234 00:24:24,930 --> 00:24:40,691 Um, what will happen then is as we grow and scale, you'll have the entire consensus 21 protocol that you can just actually implement into your, into your school or area. 235 00:24:41,111 --> 00:24:44,231 Um, so we have it all completely done online. 236 00:24:44,231 --> 00:24:48,331 You can actually go to consensus 21.school and, and take a look at it. 237 00:24:48,331 --> 00:25:06,691 And really what the focus is going to be is, I'd probably say the most interesting thing that we will look at is the entire range of what we believe is going to be taught over the next 40, 50 years. 238 00:25:07,231 --> 00:25:09,951 So our main focus is AI prompt engineering. 239 00:25:11,391 --> 00:25:13,831 We'll have a focus on entrepreneurship. 240 00:25:13,831 --> 00:25:20,111 will also have a focus on doing everything on Noster. 241 00:25:20,331 --> 00:25:22,170 So all the kids will own all their own data. 242 00:25:22,731 --> 00:25:25,791 They'll be the ones that will be planning their growth goals. 243 00:25:26,611 --> 00:25:29,831 They'll be the ones be implementing everything into their calendars. 244 00:25:31,271 --> 00:25:33,991 Everything will be owned by them. 245 00:25:34,551 --> 00:25:40,831 And what's really interesting is as their tuition comes in, 246 00:25:40,910 --> 00:25:42,871 we're going to put it into a time lock. 247 00:25:42,871 --> 00:25:58,051 So to six years old and say you're paying 20,000 in tuition, 15,000 in tuition, a portion of that will be put into held as Bitcoin in a time lock and be redistributed to them when they leave. 248 00:25:58,471 --> 00:26:06,170 If they have a business idea when they're 14 or 15 years old, it'll be released or at their graduation date, it'll be released to them. 249 00:26:06,170 --> 00:26:15,691 So really taking the debt away from school and actually starting out your path with, you know, a little nest egg. 250 00:26:17,631 --> 00:26:18,871 Very cool idea. 251 00:26:20,091 --> 00:26:27,291 It's almost like a high-tech Montessori with a huge emphasis on Bitcoin. 252 00:26:27,891 --> 00:26:31,471 I mean, the entire school is going to be run on a Bitcoin standard. 253 00:26:33,131 --> 00:26:35,651 You know, all the reserves will be held in Bitcoin. 254 00:26:36,170 --> 00:26:39,071 The time lock of the tuition will be held in Bitcoin. 255 00:26:41,811 --> 00:26:46,991 The one thing that we're doing is we are having a really an outside focus on it. 256 00:26:46,991 --> 00:26:58,891 So one full day will be out exploring nature, building stuff, team building activities, going to local businesses, you know, meeting with local entrepreneurs, 257 00:26:58,891 --> 00:27:19,611 trying to have a circular economy within the school of building and working within the local economy to eventually also have, what do you want to say, also have like apprenticeships and stuff like that. 258 00:27:19,611 --> 00:27:25,891 so it's really interesting because as we looked more and more into this you see a lot of these 259 00:27:25,891 --> 00:27:31,951 democratic schools that are out there that do a lot of these things but interesting enough no one's 260 00:27:31,951 --> 00:27:38,631 really put it all together in one school um you know you'll have like alpha schools in the u.s that 261 00:27:38,631 --> 00:27:46,131 they're doing some pretty amazing things but you know you got to be already rich to be going there 262 00:27:46,131 --> 00:27:49,611 Right. I mean, you've got to be paying 50, 60 thousand dollars a year to go there. 263 00:27:51,891 --> 00:27:58,151 And what we saw in Australia here that I think is really interesting when you have. 264 00:27:59,051 --> 00:28:11,971 Some of these schools that. Are for all intents and purposes, public and they have, you know, six to one student to teacher ratio that are doing incredible things. 265 00:28:11,971 --> 00:28:17,991 they're just not quite over the line when it comes to the finance side, financial literacy, 266 00:28:18,751 --> 00:28:27,011 Bitcoin, and really most importantly, I think, how they're teaching technology and AI. 267 00:28:27,871 --> 00:28:32,071 And, you know, it's a shame Kieran's not here because he really speaks to that side of things. 268 00:28:32,071 --> 00:28:40,191 He has entire curriculums in Minecraft for his school that he's at right now. That's, 269 00:28:40,191 --> 00:28:43,731 you know, amazing. I get my boys in on it and, you know, it's, it's addictive. 270 00:28:44,670 --> 00:28:51,631 But what you're able to teach when you embrace AI and technology and treat it as a tool instead of, 271 00:28:51,731 --> 00:28:56,371 you know, as a, as a crutch or, you know, as a negative thing to use in school, 272 00:28:57,151 --> 00:29:02,351 I think we all know where, where things are headed. It's just, are we actually providing 273 00:29:02,351 --> 00:29:07,591 that to our kids? And then another thing that we're really excited about is we do something 274 00:29:07,591 --> 00:29:09,351 called a SIPs protocol. 275 00:29:09,691 --> 00:29:11,351 So kind of like in Bitcoin, 276 00:29:11,611 --> 00:29:14,591 ours instead of a BIP, it's a SIP. 277 00:29:14,811 --> 00:29:18,631 So it's school improvement protocol and our proposal. 278 00:29:18,951 --> 00:29:22,851 And what we're doing is anything that a kid wants to be taught, 279 00:29:23,271 --> 00:29:27,611 if they want to be able to build a house or build a boat 280 00:29:27,611 --> 00:29:30,131 or have a sailing class or whatever it is, 281 00:29:30,711 --> 00:29:33,111 they put something together in a SIP. 282 00:29:33,411 --> 00:29:34,331 They present it. 283 00:29:34,331 --> 00:29:41,631 they have to present it to the to the to the school of why it would be a good idea and and 284 00:29:41,631 --> 00:29:49,391 then we have a council of six that either sign off on it yes or no and our whole premise at the 285 00:29:49,391 --> 00:29:56,430 school is we want to say yes to everything right but we also want to have to have the learner have 286 00:29:56,430 --> 00:30:00,771 the have the have the child be able to present something in a manner that's going to allow them 287 00:30:00,771 --> 00:30:08,011 to have their communication and presentation skills pretty locked in. 288 00:30:08,891 --> 00:30:12,571 So could you give us a little bit of background about Kieran then? 289 00:30:12,670 --> 00:30:15,911 Because obviously we know about you, but you guys must have come together. 290 00:30:16,371 --> 00:30:20,131 How did you meet and what's his background as well? 291 00:30:20,971 --> 00:30:26,751 Yeah, well, interesting enough, I'm building a co-working space in Melbourne 292 00:30:26,751 --> 00:30:32,871 and originally met with Kieran about trying to get that to be a Bitcoin co-working space. 293 00:30:33,571 --> 00:30:41,131 And so we started talking about that and then talked about just the issues in education. 294 00:30:41,411 --> 00:30:43,251 I have three boys and he's an educator. 295 00:30:45,651 --> 00:30:48,351 He started talking about ideas he had for school. 296 00:30:48,491 --> 00:30:52,731 I started talking about my ideas and we said, well, geez, let's just build it. 297 00:30:52,731 --> 00:31:00,231 Um, now he, he goes way back when it goes to, when it comes to Bitcoin education. So he, 298 00:31:00,631 --> 00:31:07,451 he had some pretty amazing school programs, um, around the Melbourne area. And I want to say it's 299 00:31:07,451 --> 00:31:18,951 like 10, maybe, maybe more 10, 11 years ago, um, where he started a, basically a Bitcoin school 300 00:31:18,951 --> 00:31:23,311 and within a school, within a public school, which was pretty amazing back then. But, you know, 301 00:31:23,391 --> 00:31:28,391 it was on no one's radar. So you could kind of do it without, you know, red flags being raised. 302 00:31:29,451 --> 00:31:35,691 So, I mean, he had people coming from all over the country and all over the world coming to look 303 00:31:35,691 --> 00:31:40,971 at this as far as what they were doing. I think the George Lucas Foundation did a thing on it. 304 00:31:41,291 --> 00:31:47,371 He had people from Singapore, like flying over and trying to get into the school 305 00:31:47,371 --> 00:31:53,071 because just what he was doing from a tech level wasn't seen anywhere. 306 00:31:53,831 --> 00:31:56,491 So everyone thought this was some high-end private school, 307 00:31:56,491 --> 00:32:00,851 and it was just Kieran going in and building this stuff from scratch 308 00:32:00,851 --> 00:32:03,171 and creating this demand. 309 00:32:05,351 --> 00:32:10,211 And what eventually happened is a principal leaves. 310 00:32:10,930 --> 00:32:14,131 You don't get the same ability to do what you want to do, 311 00:32:14,211 --> 00:32:16,711 and the new principal comes in and puts their stamp on it. 312 00:32:16,711 --> 00:32:31,231 And so Kieran left. And, you know, what happened during COVID with with, you know, what happened in schools caused him to really set back and think, OK, what am I really going to do here? 313 00:32:31,251 --> 00:32:43,091 Am I going to stay in the system? Am I going to keep doing and keep going from school to school to try to find principal that's going to let me do what what what I believe needs to be done or eventually build his own thing? 314 00:32:43,091 --> 00:32:50,411 And so that's what that's what he kind of came to decision on. Sorry, if you hear like three boys screaming in the background. 315 00:32:50,411 --> 00:33:00,031 All I hear is I hear. So, yeah, I mean, what he was what he was doing already. 316 00:33:00,811 --> 00:33:08,531 The great thing is what we're doing. He's he's been already doing and he's been doing it in public schools through a ton of resistance. 317 00:33:08,531 --> 00:33:19,631 So I think that's probably the most exciting part from us is it's not like, hey, let's try something new and see what happens. 318 00:33:19,631 --> 00:33:33,491 It's something that he's already done and put into practice, has had incredible results, has had kids incredibly engaged, has gotten incredible publicity from what he's done. 319 00:33:33,491 --> 00:33:43,371 And so it's a great thing that we're going to be able to now put it into its own actual entity and then scale and scale that. 320 00:33:45,631 --> 00:33:48,430 And, you know, a lot of that you can find. 321 00:33:48,671 --> 00:33:56,291 Again, you could go to consensus21.school and you can see he has uploaded almost all of School of Bitcoin stuff on there. 322 00:33:56,351 --> 00:33:59,711 So you can watch a lot of the videos already and kind of explore some of that stuff. 323 00:33:59,711 --> 00:34:04,951 kind of get an idea of what a normal, a normal day or normal week would look like at the school. 324 00:34:07,071 --> 00:34:12,891 So, I mean, just incredibly exciting event. The most important thing for me is why I want to get 325 00:34:12,891 --> 00:34:18,831 this up and running so quickly is because I want my kids, I want my kids there. You know, 326 00:34:18,831 --> 00:34:22,451 what Kieran's doing, what he's, what he's been teaching is, is, is pretty incredible. 327 00:34:24,210 --> 00:34:27,851 And, you know, it's a shame he's not here because how he speaks about it and how he, 328 00:34:27,851 --> 00:34:36,611 how he uh explains some very complicated things i mean when when we're talking about teaching kids 329 00:34:36,611 --> 00:34:41,030 how to set up a node and how to mine and doing all a lot of this stuff through minecraft like 330 00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:45,431 i mean i don't know how to do any of that stuff but kieran's able to explain it in such a way 331 00:34:45,431 --> 00:34:52,651 where it just seems like obvious and easy um so just an incredible incredible partner that i'm i'm 332 00:34:52,651 --> 00:35:15,436 I very lucky to have found and we right on the kind of edge of signing some physical space leases to kind of get that first year up and running And hopefully by January we be we be seeing students in on our campus 333 00:35:15,956 --> 00:35:19,436 And then that first year of, 334 00:35:19,436 --> 00:35:22,596 of fully operational will probably be 2027. 335 00:35:22,596 --> 00:35:28,296 And then we're looking from there kind of getting, 336 00:35:28,496 --> 00:35:32,956 getting the word out to more Bitcoiners of what the protocol is and how to 337 00:35:32,956 --> 00:35:33,576 implement it. 338 00:35:33,576 --> 00:35:36,516 if you want it into these different areas. 339 00:35:37,516 --> 00:35:39,796 We are looking at some other things 340 00:35:39,796 --> 00:35:42,296 that are a little bit down the line to have it more. 341 00:35:43,436 --> 00:35:45,636 If homeschoolers want to get into it 342 00:35:45,636 --> 00:35:46,876 or if you want to do something online, 343 00:35:47,016 --> 00:35:48,696 we've obviously looking into that. 344 00:35:49,016 --> 00:35:53,436 But we believe like curating that first initial group, 345 00:35:54,596 --> 00:35:57,156 having an incredible set of Bitcoiners 346 00:35:57,156 --> 00:35:58,976 that have five to nine-year-olds, 347 00:35:59,076 --> 00:36:01,336 five to 10-year-olds and building from there. 348 00:36:01,336 --> 00:36:06,916 you know that's really what gets us excited is is an actual physical space 349 00:36:06,916 --> 00:36:17,476 and kind of when we started talking to some some funding groups what excites them and what excites 350 00:36:17,476 --> 00:36:26,496 us are are two different things so I believe we both have a pretty big Bitcoin ethos that 351 00:36:26,496 --> 00:36:32,776 you know if we build something the right way eventually it's going to get to what it needs 352 00:36:32,776 --> 00:36:36,236 to get to and we don't want to cut any corners and we don't want to take any funding 353 00:36:36,236 --> 00:36:45,196 to do something that we don't believe is is the right path and I believe we have I think we have 354 00:36:45,196 --> 00:36:52,296 some time with this as well I mean there's a lot of urgency but I believe there's a lot of time as 355 00:36:52,296 --> 00:36:57,776 well as far as what we've seen out there that that people are doing and and we also don't view it as 356 00:36:57,776 --> 00:37:02,696 a competition we view it as like hey the more of this that can happen i mean we're completely open 357 00:37:02,696 --> 00:37:09,456 source so anyone that wants to fork off you know their school and do a consensus 21 at their at 358 00:37:09,456 --> 00:37:15,216 their location you know we're happy to help and grow it any way possible yeah i saw that on the 359 00:37:15,216 --> 00:37:22,636 website all of that is open source um people can just is is that the idea just to try and get one 360 00:37:22,636 --> 00:37:28,156 up and running proof of concept and just say hey guys a year later look at us we've got 10 students 361 00:37:28,156 --> 00:37:34,196 we've got the most incredible help we could have ever imagined uh because once bit once you open 362 00:37:34,196 --> 00:37:39,676 up to bitcoiners that they will bring their skill set in any way that they can uh you have people 363 00:37:39,676 --> 00:37:43,956 flying through just popping in for a day and just sharing their skills like that you know this kind 364 00:37:43,956 --> 00:37:51,556 of stuff and then you can inspire other bitcoiners around the world that have that this is the thing 365 00:37:51,556 --> 00:37:58,856 i see because yeah certain people are born to be teachers or mentors is probably a better word 366 00:37:58,856 --> 00:38:05,856 and those people those people they they get abused by the system they get sucked in by the system 367 00:38:05,856 --> 00:38:10,956 and then they are part of that system and they are told what they have to teach and when they have to 368 00:38:10,956 --> 00:38:16,616 teach it and how they have to teach it and from which book they have absolutely no control over 369 00:38:16,616 --> 00:38:22,876 the curriculum and no way that they can truly engage with with the students either because 370 00:38:22,876 --> 00:38:27,736 the students are all just part of the same fucking machine they just come in for that hour an hour and 371 00:38:27,736 --> 00:38:31,916 a half and they just want to look out the window and get out as soon as they quick as soon as they 372 00:38:31,916 --> 00:38:36,316 can because they've got other things on their minds they want to be riding their bike they want 373 00:38:36,316 --> 00:38:39,736 to be laying in the field or looking at the clouds they want to be playing football they want to be 374 00:38:39,736 --> 00:38:45,216 doing building stuff whatever it is right yeah right you have this huge disconnect you've got 375 00:38:45,216 --> 00:38:51,416 the you got the teachers that are there that want to connect with young people because that's the 376 00:38:51,416 --> 00:38:57,296 person they were born to be and you have the young people there that are just going through this mill 377 00:38:57,296 --> 00:39:03,096 this hellhole that they don't want to be there they're coerced to be there they have no idea 378 00:39:03,096 --> 00:39:08,256 why they've got to be there why they're learning the crap that they're being taught and he's just 379 00:39:08,256 --> 00:39:14,476 it doesn't work yeah yeah I mean everyone's miserable I mean that's that's the problems like 380 00:39:14,476 --> 00:39:19,496 you know we're doing it for the kids but everyone's miserable I mean there's some 381 00:39:19,496 --> 00:39:24,836 incredible teachers out there I mean incredible I mean I've met some teachers that I'm like 382 00:39:24,836 --> 00:39:32,196 please come to this I mean please like what can we do to get you I mean some people like you said 383 00:39:32,196 --> 00:39:47,876 Some people are just born with it. I mean, I, I don't know if I could do what some of these teachers do. I mean, I know I couldn't do what some of these teachers do. And I think, you know, as we've talked and Kieran's talked and, you know, I've talked with teachers, Kieran's talked with teachers. 384 00:39:47,876 --> 00:40:01,596 We presented at a few Bitcoin conferences and the amount of educators that have come up and said, if you need anything, I'm there, even if I can be there one day a week. 385 00:40:02,156 --> 00:40:05,476 Right. I mean, and that's and that's the problem. 386 00:40:05,616 --> 00:40:11,616 You have these people at these schools that it's usually not the teachers. 387 00:40:11,776 --> 00:40:13,996 It's not the teachers that are the problem. Right. 388 00:40:13,996 --> 00:40:19,696 You know, the teachers are, I mean, angels on earth for doing what they do. 389 00:40:19,816 --> 00:40:19,956 Right. 390 00:40:22,616 --> 00:40:26,996 But, yeah, you know, you get you get, you know, Kieran Kieran talks about it a lot. 391 00:40:27,056 --> 00:40:29,996 And I have a few close friends that are that are in the education space. 392 00:40:30,476 --> 00:40:32,716 Like, you know, we'll get we'll go to a conference. 393 00:40:32,996 --> 00:40:34,136 Everyone's all fired up. 394 00:40:34,436 --> 00:40:37,016 We'll go back Monday and nothing changes. 395 00:40:37,196 --> 00:40:42,416 Right. Like it's it's you know, it's a, you know, trying to turn a Titanic. 396 00:40:42,416 --> 00:40:44,216 They just can't do it. 397 00:40:44,696 --> 00:40:52,036 You know, so you go back, there's 800 students, you know, there's 30 people per or 30 students per teacher. 398 00:40:53,176 --> 00:40:57,336 You know, even if the teacher wants to do something different, you can't. 399 00:40:58,796 --> 00:41:09,176 So it is a shame when you go and you have all these people that went through to want to be educators, want to do something different, know the system's broken, know there's nothing they can do. 400 00:41:09,176 --> 00:41:11,656 And all they're really trying to do is just save one kid, right? 401 00:41:12,416 --> 00:41:16,916 just doing everything they can. If I can just get through to one person, you know, make it worth it. 402 00:41:17,036 --> 00:41:20,616 And you're sitting there the whole time just shaking your head. I'm like, what a shame that is, 403 00:41:20,616 --> 00:41:26,816 because every kid wants to learn. I mean, every kid wants to learn. Every kid loves to learn. 404 00:41:27,416 --> 00:41:33,736 But you got to allow them to actually learn something that they want to learn. You know, 405 00:41:33,736 --> 00:41:38,676 you can't sit there and have them do the time stables for six months and expect them to be 406 00:41:38,676 --> 00:41:44,196 excited about it. It's just not going to happen. But the amount of things that are available now 407 00:41:44,196 --> 00:41:50,976 to kids to be able to learn is mind-numbing. We were at this Bitcoin conference and 408 00:41:50,976 --> 00:41:55,616 my seven-year-old is absolutely obsessed with fishing in boats. I mean, 409 00:41:56,436 --> 00:42:03,456 if he could be a fisherman, he would be a fisherman. That's his dream. And he was like, 410 00:42:03,456 --> 00:42:08,136 hey, dad, how hard is it to make a boat? I'm like, well, I don't know. There's a lot that 411 00:42:08,136 --> 00:42:13,716 goes into making a boat. And we just went on one day. I'm like, well, let's see. And I just went on 412 00:42:13,716 --> 00:42:19,896 chat GPT at the time. And I said, Hey, I'm a seven year old kid. I love fishing. I love boats. 413 00:42:20,076 --> 00:42:26,076 I'm learning math right now. Can you just draw up a week long itinerary where one to two hours a day, 414 00:42:26,076 --> 00:42:32,816 I can learn math by building a boat. And I mean, this thing just in five seconds, 415 00:42:32,816 --> 00:42:40,056 drew up an incredible itinerary hour by hour, day by day for an entire week of what he can do 416 00:42:40,056 --> 00:42:45,276 to learn about buoyancy and learn about materials and learn about math and learn about how boats 417 00:42:45,276 --> 00:42:51,676 work. And it's like, he was ecstatic, you know, that whole week, that's all he was doing. 418 00:42:51,856 --> 00:42:57,716 Like this is, I mean, the amount of information we have out there that you could just take a kid 419 00:42:57,716 --> 00:43:04,756 and say, what do you love? And then you could make up anything around what the kid already 420 00:43:04,756 --> 00:43:13,736 loves to do to get him excited about learning. But in order to do that, you have to have that 421 00:43:13,736 --> 00:43:17,616 model that some schools out there, I mean, some of these independent schools, democratic schools 422 00:43:17,616 --> 00:43:22,956 have where it's like, okay, you need that time with the individual. You need to have the kids 423 00:43:22,956 --> 00:43:28,616 be able to set their own goals. You need to have them lead their learning journey, but 424 00:43:28,616 --> 00:43:35,076 public schools aren't set up for that. I mean, it's, I don't know if you've heard of IB schools. 425 00:43:36,776 --> 00:43:41,956 And that's where, that's where our kids go. They go to an IB school and some teachers just have 426 00:43:41,956 --> 00:43:47,236 that model locked down. They're so good. Like you go into their classroom and how they teach it. 427 00:43:47,236 --> 00:43:53,056 it's incredible but you know our principal we talked to her about it she knows what we're 428 00:43:53,056 --> 00:44:00,936 what we're trying to do and she's like that's the problem is you know some teachers can do it and 429 00:44:00,936 --> 00:44:05,756 some teachers can't do it and unfortunately you really don't know that until you hire them 430 00:44:05,756 --> 00:44:13,516 and she's like the problem is once you hire them in a public school you can't get rid of them so 431 00:44:13,516 --> 00:44:30,896 So, you know, what do you do? You have a teacher that can't teach your model and, you know, she's teaching 25 kids every year. So it's, so there's a lot of reasons why to go to a model like this. 432 00:44:30,896 --> 00:44:40,096 Um, I mean, for the learners and for the mentors and, you know, um, a lot of, a lot of that 433 00:44:40,096 --> 00:44:45,416 focus on, you know, really all you're trying to do is guide these, these children, right? 434 00:44:45,476 --> 00:44:49,756 You're, you're not sitting up in front of 25 kids and trying to get them to memorize 435 00:44:49,756 --> 00:44:50,176 anything. 436 00:44:50,176 --> 00:44:52,396 That's just not going to work. 437 00:44:52,516 --> 00:44:54,756 No, one's ever gonna know. 438 00:44:54,856 --> 00:44:57,176 I mean, I still can't believe we're doing that. 439 00:44:57,256 --> 00:44:57,936 I mean, my goodness. 440 00:44:57,976 --> 00:45:00,136 I mean, I remember when I went to school, I absolutely hated it. 441 00:45:00,136 --> 00:45:04,136 I didn't hand in homework just out of spite, you know, 442 00:45:04,336 --> 00:45:05,976 just because I didn't think I should have to. 443 00:45:07,676 --> 00:45:09,696 So I still can't believe we're in this model. 444 00:45:10,476 --> 00:45:12,836 And it's just so apparent that the model's dead. 445 00:45:13,016 --> 00:45:17,416 I mean, it's, I mean, I can't even see what we're seeing. 446 00:45:17,816 --> 00:45:22,076 The dark truth is that the model works exactly as it was designed to. 447 00:45:23,456 --> 00:45:24,536 It's not broken. 448 00:45:24,636 --> 00:45:25,856 It's not broken at all. 449 00:45:25,856 --> 00:45:27,436 It's working as designed. 450 00:45:27,436 --> 00:45:34,756 and look at there's a reason we have the society that we have today you know compliant head down 451 00:45:34,756 --> 00:45:43,856 anxious depressed can't get their head above water you know leave university in debt already 452 00:45:43,856 --> 00:45:49,176 then can't get in a job and end up doing something completely different that they ever studied for 453 00:45:49,176 --> 00:45:57,156 and just like this this this this hanging question what the hell was that 15 years of my life about 454 00:45:57,156 --> 00:46:05,596 from the age of five to 20 right forced to in in many countries forced to wear clothes you would 455 00:46:05,596 --> 00:46:13,336 never ever ever have decided to wear like a blazer and a tie and a pair of ill-fitting shoes and 456 00:46:13,336 --> 00:46:19,876 trousers like you know at the age of eight we're in a full suit and tie like i see them i see them 457 00:46:19,876 --> 00:46:28,516 walking around here in the UK uniform here is prevalent and it's shocking it's really 458 00:46:28,516 --> 00:46:38,316 really shocking to see um but then you are creating that that that behavior that you want 459 00:46:38,316 --> 00:46:43,276 as a governing body as the people that you know want to control you and need a compliant nation 460 00:46:43,276 --> 00:46:49,096 that's what's happening that's that's the whole dark secret to it so if this is again why I'm so 461 00:46:49,096 --> 00:46:52,376 surprised that you'd have access to government money. 462 00:46:52,421 --> 00:46:56,721 and to be able to use that to break that. 463 00:46:57,501 --> 00:47:01,581 So how many kids do you guys think you're going to start with? 464 00:47:01,681 --> 00:47:03,681 What's the first cohort going to look like? 465 00:47:04,121 --> 00:47:06,161 What's the fee? 466 00:47:07,661 --> 00:47:09,381 Let's get down to the brass tacks. 467 00:47:10,041 --> 00:47:13,141 So the first cohort is going to be between 30 and 40. 468 00:47:14,501 --> 00:47:18,761 We've already had quite a bit of interest from just local Bitcoin families 469 00:47:18,761 --> 00:47:24,861 and then those local Bitcoin families talking to their friends about the school. 470 00:47:25,821 --> 00:47:32,241 What the fee is going to be is going to be a little bit dependent on the government funding we get. 471 00:47:33,041 --> 00:47:36,261 So we're going to be as close to break even as we can be. 472 00:47:36,461 --> 00:47:41,021 But obviously, it's going to take a little bit of while to figure that out. 473 00:47:41,481 --> 00:47:46,901 But ideally, we're going to be between the $10,000 to $15,000 a year range. 474 00:47:46,901 --> 00:47:52,881 um and and that's aussie aussie dollars yeah aussie dollars yeah and how does that compare to 475 00:47:52,881 --> 00:47:57,361 like a private school tuition at the moment in australia how much are you paying to like go to 476 00:47:57,361 --> 00:48:08,521 probably about half to a third of private school huh okay yeah yeah um so we want to we want the 477 00:48:08,521 --> 00:48:15,381 accessibility of basically going to you know not much not much more than a public school but with 478 00:48:15,381 --> 00:48:21,221 a much higher private school education um what would the hours a week look like how are you going 479 00:48:21,221 --> 00:48:27,221 to structure that so monday monday in general is this going to be a day out that's going to be an 480 00:48:27,221 --> 00:48:31,861 exploration day that's going to be team building that's going to be that's what i talked about 481 00:48:31,861 --> 00:48:36,281 where we're going to go out obviously depending on age is going to depend on what we're doing but 482 00:48:36,281 --> 00:48:40,921 we live in a beautiful part of the world down here in the the mornington peninsula so we're 483 00:48:40,921 --> 00:48:48,041 just surrounded by nature and the ocean and and sailing and i mean anything you could imagine so 484 00:48:48,041 --> 00:48:53,261 there's limitless stuff you can do out and about but our whole our whole theory with that was 485 00:48:53,261 --> 00:48:57,381 you know if you could turn monday into the most exciting day of the week 486 00:48:57,381 --> 00:49:02,681 and kind of get the get the kids coming into school thinking oh man i can't wait for monday 487 00:49:02,681 --> 00:49:09,041 mondays are mondays are awesome um and i mean there's so much stuff to do i mean whether it's 488 00:49:09,041 --> 00:49:15,421 golfing or like I said going to the beach or you know there's there's truffle farms down here and 489 00:49:15,421 --> 00:49:20,401 I mean a ton of you know orchards and I mean there's this limitless stuff to do for kids 490 00:49:20,401 --> 00:49:27,381 so that will kind of be Monday and Tuesday morning you know the first part of the chunk of the day of 491 00:49:27,381 --> 00:49:32,741 Tuesday morning is is your goal setting is your goal setting time so it's basically an hour to 492 00:49:32,741 --> 00:49:40,721 two hours of of the um of the learners and the mentors kind of going back and forth and developing 493 00:49:40,721 --> 00:49:46,161 their goals for the week their learning goals for the week and implementing that themselves into 494 00:49:46,161 --> 00:49:50,941 you know a github like they're they're all gonna have set up with the github and know how to how to 495 00:49:50,941 --> 00:49:59,361 access that and master and all that stuff um and then what you're gonna have is really basically 496 00:49:59,361 --> 00:50:01,261 two-hour learning blocks every day. 497 00:50:01,801 --> 00:50:08,521 So you're going to have basically your like 11, maybe 10 to noon is going to be, or 9 498 00:50:08,521 --> 00:50:13,261 to 11 is going to be your block of learning. 499 00:50:14,441 --> 00:50:18,781 So they're going to be your key subject areas or what you put in your goals, your learning 500 00:50:18,781 --> 00:50:19,061 goals. 501 00:50:19,201 --> 00:50:21,221 That 9 to 11 block is really going to be for that. 502 00:50:21,921 --> 00:50:25,001 There will be flexibility throughout the day, but for the most part, that's it. 503 00:50:25,001 --> 00:50:32,621 and then we'll have a community lunch and that's just going to be everyone coming together parents 504 00:50:32,621 --> 00:50:36,361 are parents are invited to that if they want to come to lunch parents can come in come to lunch 505 00:50:36,361 --> 00:50:44,101 and you'll during that time you can also have presentations for you know breakthroughs and 506 00:50:44,101 --> 00:50:52,621 learning or anything that kids are excited to share and then after lunch is is really going to be 507 00:50:52,621 --> 00:50:59,881 optional activity time. So ideally we're going to have martial arts classes. 508 00:50:59,881 --> 00:51:01,941 We're going to have sports classes. We're going to have swim. 509 00:51:02,021 --> 00:51:04,881 Swimming's really huge out here. We're going to have swimming instructors. 510 00:51:06,141 --> 00:51:10,721 And that block of time from one to however late people are there, 511 00:51:10,841 --> 00:51:16,301 five, six o'clock is going to be ideally where you do all of your afterschool 512 00:51:16,301 --> 00:51:20,321 activities. There's going to be robotics you can do. 513 00:51:20,321 --> 00:51:26,761 There's going to be obviously coding and tech and whatever else you want to do outside of what your main learning is. 514 00:51:28,141 --> 00:51:29,701 There's going to be fitness classes. 515 00:51:30,021 --> 00:51:39,901 There's going to be, you know, we have an electrical engineer that's going to come in and teach like how to do that. 516 00:51:41,361 --> 00:51:47,141 So a lot of really cool what would normally be after school activities, but in the afternoon. 517 00:51:47,561 --> 00:51:48,381 And that's optional. 518 00:51:48,381 --> 00:51:56,861 So the great thing is, is you can, you can have your kids stay till one o'clock or 12 519 00:51:56,861 --> 00:51:58,661 o'clock or stay till five o'clock. 520 00:52:00,001 --> 00:52:02,781 Parents are welcomed anytime from lunch onward. 521 00:52:02,861 --> 00:52:06,461 If they want to stay, if they want to help, if they want to volunteer, they can. 522 00:52:08,881 --> 00:52:16,241 And what we're really trying to do is, you know, I have three kids and they're all different 523 00:52:16,241 --> 00:52:16,641 ages. 524 00:52:16,641 --> 00:52:27,181 I mean, it's basically 6.30 a.m. till 6.30 p.m. every day running around crazy trying to get some activities and the whole time. 525 00:52:27,481 --> 00:52:31,721 And there's homework and the whole time I'm thinking, like, what are they doing at school for eight hours? 526 00:52:31,921 --> 00:52:36,821 I don't understand what they could be doing there where they have to do homework after school. 527 00:52:36,821 --> 00:52:46,521 and I have I have some family members that are homeschooled and they're like we we're done in 528 00:52:46,521 --> 00:52:50,661 three hours like I don't know what they can do for that long but it's basically three hours and 529 00:52:50,661 --> 00:52:57,001 we're done so we're really trying to bring in a lot of that during the school hours you know if 530 00:52:57,001 --> 00:53:01,081 you if you want basketball we have basketball if you want tennis we have tennis if you have any of 531 00:53:01,081 --> 00:53:08,181 these activities, they're there for them. And so that's what's really cool on top of, you know, 532 00:53:08,201 --> 00:53:13,081 the AI prompt engineering that we're doing half our classes of every day, financial literacy 533 00:53:13,081 --> 00:53:18,021 courses that we're doing two to three times a week. You know, we're going to have running Bitcoin 534 00:53:18,021 --> 00:53:24,901 miners, Bitcoin nodes, teaching on that. So a lot of it is really flexible outside of that two-hour 535 00:53:24,901 --> 00:53:41,845 block The amount of the amount of things that will be available to the learners on campus is going to be pretty exciting And the really cool thing and you mentioned it before about Bitcoiners is the amount of stuff we already gotten donated 536 00:53:42,385 --> 00:53:47,565 I mean, Blockstream sent a bunch of Jade wallets for, for, for the first cohort of students. 537 00:53:48,865 --> 00:53:54,045 We've had a lot of technical tech equipment donated and sent to us. 538 00:53:55,065 --> 00:54:00,905 So, I mean, that's been pretty exciting of, of, like, we already are kind of set up from, 539 00:54:00,905 --> 00:54:05,505 from an equipment standpoint where my garage is full and Kieran's garage is 540 00:54:05,505 --> 00:54:07,665 full. And we're like, we have to get a campus. 541 00:54:07,665 --> 00:54:09,505 Cause we need to get this stuff out of here. 542 00:54:10,865 --> 00:54:13,665 But it's really cool how generous everyone's been in that regard. 543 00:54:13,665 --> 00:54:17,265 And, and also a lot of people, I think you mentioned it before. I mean, 544 00:54:17,265 --> 00:54:20,425 once the campus is up and you know, 545 00:54:20,425 --> 00:54:23,445 word is out and stuff like that is happening. 546 00:54:26,485 --> 00:54:30,025 Myself and Kieran have a lot of faith in like the Bitcoin community coming in 547 00:54:30,025 --> 00:54:32,265 and really supporting it and helping it. 548 00:54:32,465 --> 00:54:35,365 And we're both fairly certain it's going to fly. 549 00:54:35,565 --> 00:54:41,785 We've done two big presentations at some Bitcoin conferences out here. 550 00:54:42,085 --> 00:54:46,045 And I mean, everyone's been so generous of like, if you need anything, 551 00:54:46,205 --> 00:54:51,085 if you need carpentry, if you need electrician, if you need this, 552 00:54:51,085 --> 00:54:55,325 if you need that, if you need help building portables, 553 00:54:55,605 --> 00:54:58,885 like everyone's just been offering a ton of support. 554 00:54:58,885 --> 00:55:06,545 So that's really exciting as well. We've had a couple of people in Brisbane and Sydney saying, hey, as soon as you guys are up and running, you have this protocol. 555 00:55:06,685 --> 00:55:18,865 We'd love to bring it up there. And it's been incredibly exciting just hearing sometimes like it's not an easy thing trying to get a school up and running by any means. 556 00:55:18,865 --> 00:55:25,285 uh and sometimes when you just hear people talk about how excited they are for it it kind of 557 00:55:25,285 --> 00:55:30,385 you know re-energizes you quite a bit of of of getting this thing of getting this thing going 558 00:55:30,385 --> 00:55:38,845 and my five-year-old is what you'd call a uh he's a rambunctious little fella he's uh he's 559 00:55:38,845 --> 00:55:46,605 he's special he's he's uh you know he's he's he's testing our parents our patients as parents but 560 00:55:46,605 --> 00:55:51,845 in in the best of ways you know he's we always say like my god if this kid doesn't change the world 561 00:55:51,845 --> 00:55:58,485 um and i don't know how many times a week we talk about man like zane 562 00:55:58,485 --> 00:56:06,265 we need this for him like he cannot go into a normal school like the worst thing in the world 563 00:56:06,265 --> 00:56:13,465 that could happen is is is him being broken from from his wildness um because it's it's a gift 564 00:56:13,465 --> 00:56:18,725 and we already know what they're going to say um you know if he's forced to sit still for 565 00:56:18,725 --> 00:56:23,725 six seven eight hours a day i can tell you the diagnosis right now yeah right 566 00:56:23,725 --> 00:56:36,445 it's it's yeah yeah yeah so yeah yeah just full of i mean you know and we we actually did go to 567 00:56:36,445 --> 00:56:43,385 school where they have a lot of you know he calls them spicy kids and he's like it's actually quite 568 00:56:43,385 --> 00:56:48,625 amazing that parents will come to us and say this is our last hope like that we don't know what else 569 00:56:48,625 --> 00:56:56,845 to do and they come in and they thrive because they're obsessive kids if you give them what if 570 00:56:56,845 --> 00:57:02,625 you actually put something in front of them that they're interested in they'll do that thing for 571 00:57:02,625 --> 00:57:09,925 eight hours a day and become incredible at it but the most despicable thing of all of this is you 572 00:57:09,925 --> 00:57:18,465 we've had decades of being told that your child has learning problems in this situation whereas 573 00:57:18,465 --> 00:57:23,685 the opposite is true always no they don't have learning problems they love to learn the problem 574 00:57:23,685 --> 00:57:30,705 is you're not letting them you're telling them what you're teaching at them you're not letting 575 00:57:30,705 --> 00:57:37,465 them learn and it's something that's what and oh god like the whole industry that's been built up 576 00:57:37,465 --> 00:57:44,165 around um add adhd so ken robinson spoke about this i've had naomi campbell on the podcast she 577 00:57:44,165 --> 00:57:49,965 wrote a book called changing our minds and um she talked about this but so ken came up with the best 578 00:57:49,965 --> 00:57:56,545 one-liner it's like you know you can't give an eight-year-old low-grade clerical work to do for 579 00:57:56,545 --> 00:58:04,325 seven hours a day and not expect them to fidget and get bored this is yeah right this is we there's 580 00:58:04,325 --> 00:58:11,585 so much we need to undo and what you guys are doing and it sounds so cool and i'm sure people 581 00:58:11,585 --> 00:58:18,525 listening they all want to and again as soon as you lean into something into this i know community 582 00:58:18,525 --> 00:58:22,825 of people whatever you want to call it but by leaning in putting yourselves out there showing 583 00:58:22,825 --> 00:58:27,665 up at a conference saying i've got something to share can you put us on stage can we talk to these 584 00:58:27,665 --> 00:58:34,105 people about it uh you know that's that takes balls that takes guts but you you do it and you 585 00:58:34,105 --> 00:58:39,865 do it once and then everything changes everything changes and people know there's people that've 586 00:58:39,865 --> 00:58:44,925 started podcasts or written an article or written a book or done a youtube channel or something or 587 00:58:44,925 --> 00:58:50,705 just shown up at bitcoin meetup all of a sudden their life is on its head because just because 588 00:58:50,705 --> 00:58:57,165 they lent in and they get rewarded in so many different ways so many yeah and i'm really looking 589 00:58:57,165 --> 00:59:02,745 forward to people listening to this episode and then reaching out to you from all different parts 590 00:59:02,745 --> 00:59:09,865 of the world saying right like what do we need to do how can we replicate it um and then you'll 591 00:59:09,865 --> 00:59:15,225 start building a repository as well of all of their experience and that repository just grows 592 00:59:15,225 --> 00:59:24,925 stronger and stronger and there is no stopping this and i and i yeah i mean and i think you know 593 00:59:24,925 --> 00:59:28,585 why Bitcoin is so different. I mean, there's, there's some great schools out there that are 594 00:59:28,585 --> 00:59:37,105 doing some great stuff, but it's a close loop. It's a close system, right? Like if I went and said, 595 00:59:37,105 --> 00:59:43,565 Hey, I want to build this out here. You know, there'd be, there'd be some barriers to doing 596 00:59:43,565 --> 00:59:50,885 that. Right. Where we're like, we, we're not doing this for money, you know, where we're, 597 00:59:50,885 --> 00:59:58,465 we're doing it for, I mean, we are, you know, it's, it's, it's hard to convey that over, 598 00:59:58,465 --> 01:00:06,385 over a podcast, but myself and Kieran are pretty diehard, you know, Bitcoiners. 599 01:00:07,965 --> 01:00:13,325 I mean, Kieran is the longest standing Bitcoiner that I think I've ever met in my life. I mean, 600 01:00:13,325 --> 01:00:26,489 as far as when when he got into it he got into it from you know the technical side and and he has a I let him tell it but he has a very very humorous story about what he thought Bitcoin was 601 01:00:27,949 --> 01:00:34,789 Then when he found out what it really was, he talked about Bitcoin as UBI initially. 602 01:00:37,269 --> 01:00:39,409 It's just a very funny story. 603 01:00:39,489 --> 01:00:40,509 I'll let him tell it at a different time. 604 01:00:40,509 --> 01:00:55,749 But what we're really looking at is we have our excitement lies into what could happen from an educational standpoint on just letting this out into the world, right? 605 01:00:55,789 --> 01:01:00,609 Like if you said, hey, I want to do this in the UK, we're like, all right, absolutely. 606 01:01:00,729 --> 01:01:01,609 This is how you do it. 607 01:01:01,629 --> 01:01:09,009 If you want to fly over, you can come check out the campus, how we have everything implemented, you know, how everything works. 608 01:01:09,009 --> 01:01:15,269 if you need any help from the schedule heck any funding we get any private funding we get 609 01:01:15,269 --> 01:01:20,489 we would help not just to grow our campus but anyone else who wants to add another campus 610 01:01:20,489 --> 01:01:28,489 so we kind of view it as consensus 21 being ideally a platform that if we get funding that 611 01:01:28,489 --> 01:01:36,409 that exceeds what we need in our own campus and someone from the UK or the US or whoever calls 612 01:01:36,409 --> 01:01:41,289 and needs possibly some funding where they don't have government funding available to them. 613 01:01:41,849 --> 01:01:48,869 I mean, ideally, that's what we can do is help fund other schools as well and have it be seen that way as well. 614 01:01:50,149 --> 01:01:51,449 We just want it to grow. 615 01:01:52,009 --> 01:01:53,149 We want as many people. 616 01:01:53,669 --> 01:02:03,909 We both talk quite a bit of how difficult it can be to, you know, to orange pill someone. 617 01:02:03,909 --> 01:02:14,409 Like how many people in your life you've been in Bitcoin for, you know, about a decade, how many people you've talked to and how many you've actually arm pilled to pretty low conversion rate. 618 01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:21,009 And, you know, it becomes like, my God, what do I need to say or what do I need to do? 619 01:02:21,369 --> 01:02:28,989 And interestingly enough, I was I was hammering on our principal at my boys school about, you know, Bitcoin. 620 01:02:28,989 --> 01:02:31,789 And I'm like, well, just let me talk to him. 621 01:02:31,789 --> 01:02:37,469 like I'll come in and I talked to the grade fives. Um, it's like, okay, we're doing a financial 622 01:02:37,469 --> 01:02:42,929 literacy class, come in and talk to them. Like, well, let me, tell me, tell me what you're teaching 623 01:02:42,929 --> 01:02:49,229 them because I don't want to come in and, you know, blow their minds from, from what is probably 624 01:02:49,229 --> 01:02:53,949 being taught to them right now in a financial literacy class in a basically public, public 625 01:02:53,949 --> 01:03:01,049 education system. Um, but I went in and I was, I can't say I was shocked. I mean, I, I, I view kids 626 01:03:01,049 --> 01:03:08,349 is wiser than most adults, you know, when they're young enough where you can see just the, 627 01:03:09,169 --> 01:03:12,409 I mean, they just have that open mind on anything. 628 01:03:12,409 --> 01:03:16,689 And the questions they ask, I'm like, I've been in Bitcoin for almost a decade. 629 01:03:17,069 --> 01:03:21,809 And you guys ask better questions than most adults I've talked to when it comes to come 630 01:03:21,809 --> 01:03:22,549 to Bitcoin, right? 631 01:03:22,689 --> 01:03:30,249 So I think that opened our eyes to a lot to like, man, if we can get the kids, it sounds 632 01:03:30,249 --> 01:03:31,789 It's like, you know, a cult, right? 633 01:03:31,849 --> 01:03:38,209 But if we can get the kids, you know, that's, I think that's just what needs to happen. 634 01:03:38,209 --> 01:03:50,489 It's like, you know, you get the kids, you get them to understand what, I mean, even if they understand the premise of Austrian economics, for goodness sakes, you know, how much of a game changer that is. 635 01:03:50,589 --> 01:03:57,089 And if you can get them to at least save some in Bitcoin, and if you can at least get them to understand there's actually two sides. 636 01:03:57,089 --> 01:04:00,569 There's a whole other side that thinks the current system is completely insane. 637 01:04:01,409 --> 01:04:02,949 You know, I mean, no one even understands that. 638 01:04:02,989 --> 01:04:03,989 So they get out of college. 639 01:04:05,849 --> 01:04:07,669 They get into the real world like, well, what the heck? 640 01:04:07,809 --> 01:04:10,009 Like you said, what the heck was I just taught for the last 20 years? 641 01:04:10,089 --> 01:04:10,869 None of this is true. 642 01:04:12,409 --> 01:04:12,729 Right. 643 01:04:12,989 --> 01:04:14,409 You get out, you have your degree. 644 01:04:14,469 --> 01:04:16,029 I'm like, all right, I'm gonna go conquer the world. 645 01:04:16,069 --> 01:04:17,249 And like, no one wants to hire you. 646 01:04:17,329 --> 01:04:20,449 Like, well, wait, what did I, what did I just spend time learning? 647 01:04:20,789 --> 01:04:22,769 Why didn't I learn a trade for the last five years? 648 01:04:22,809 --> 01:04:25,729 I'd be making, you know, 100 grand a year and no debt. 649 01:04:27,089 --> 01:04:35,509 And so I think it's just the options, what we've seen in public education, like you're 650 01:04:35,509 --> 01:04:39,549 kind of brainwashed into thinking, OK, I'll just go out and I'll get a job and I'll work 651 01:04:39,549 --> 01:04:42,609 till I'm 70 and then I'll retire and then I'll start traveling. 652 01:04:42,789 --> 01:04:46,189 And you're thinking, who the hell wants to live that way? 653 01:04:46,249 --> 01:04:47,329 I don't understand it. 654 01:04:47,329 --> 01:04:51,769 But, you know, they say about Bitcoin being risky and some of this other stuff being risky. 655 01:04:51,769 --> 01:04:58,609 It's like risky to me is working until you're 70 years old and a job you hate to hopefully be able to travel when you're old. 656 01:04:58,709 --> 01:04:59,329 Like what? 657 01:05:00,229 --> 01:05:02,069 That makes no sense. 658 01:05:02,129 --> 01:05:09,549 And I think that's when you get to really the foundation of Bitcoin and you start saving in Bitcoin. 659 01:05:10,189 --> 01:05:13,769 And you're like, wait, this is how it's supposed to be, right? 660 01:05:13,849 --> 01:05:17,969 Like this is how you're actually supposed to live. 661 01:05:18,009 --> 01:05:19,709 You have Bitcoin, everything gets cheaper. 662 01:05:19,709 --> 01:05:28,049 and um you know it's funny i i've told kieran we've we've you know my views a little bit i'm 663 01:05:28,049 --> 01:05:33,049 spending bitcoin i've changed a little bit because i have boys that are growing up and 664 01:05:33,049 --> 01:05:37,509 their kids in the house and you want to you know you want to you want to take those trips and you 665 01:05:37,509 --> 01:05:43,269 want to you want to um you know put in the pools and you know you want to you want to do all the 666 01:05:43,269 --> 01:05:49,249 fun stuff now not when you know they're old and out of the house and i sat there and i was telling 667 01:05:49,249 --> 01:05:52,389 I was telling a buddy, I'm like, yeah, we put in a pool and it's awesome. 668 01:05:52,669 --> 01:05:54,469 And, you know, I didn't really want to spend any Bitcoin. 669 01:05:54,609 --> 01:05:57,729 I sat there and I'm like, it only cost me one Bitcoin. 670 01:05:58,229 --> 01:06:06,989 Like, that's insane to think it cost me one Bitcoin where eight years ago it would have cost me, what, 20 Bitcoin, right? 671 01:06:07,089 --> 01:06:18,229 Like, I mean, you just sit there like, man, one Bitcoin, that's, you hate to say it's not a lot because we all know what will eventually happen. 672 01:06:18,229 --> 01:06:23,729 But I've started viewing it a little bit differently of not what it's going to be 10 years from now. 673 01:06:23,849 --> 01:06:27,229 But like, you know, we did the hard work. 674 01:06:27,389 --> 01:06:28,209 We did the hard work. 675 01:06:28,289 --> 01:06:28,789 We saved. 676 01:06:28,889 --> 01:06:29,869 We did what we were supposed to do. 677 01:06:29,949 --> 01:06:34,649 And now you can actually live like it's the 50s again. 678 01:06:34,829 --> 01:06:37,029 Like that's your affordability, right? 679 01:06:37,549 --> 01:06:38,349 Like you're living. 680 01:06:38,829 --> 01:06:40,089 My wife doesn't work. 681 01:06:40,969 --> 01:06:42,029 She's home with the kids. 682 01:06:42,029 --> 01:06:48,509 I mean, Bitcoin's been incredibly great to us and to anyone that's been in it for any period of time 683 01:06:48,509 --> 01:06:54,149 that you just want everyone to have that. Like, that's how we are supposed to live. That's what, 684 01:06:54,149 --> 01:07:09,432 that how it that how the economy should be designed Like everyone can live this way if they just kind of take that final step and do it And the easiest way to do it is do it when they don know any better They five six seven eight years old nine years old 10 years old 685 01:07:09,432 --> 01:07:20,872 And from a very young age, they have a Bitcoin, you know, they'll have a Bitcoin stack waiting for them when they graduate instead of $100,000 of debt. 686 01:07:22,172 --> 01:07:22,992 For sure. 687 01:07:23,632 --> 01:07:25,972 Yeah, mate, it's awesome. 688 01:07:25,972 --> 01:07:30,592 I'm so glad that we got to do this and get you on and talk about it. 689 01:07:30,832 --> 01:07:36,952 So before I ask you the final question, where is consensus21.school, right? 690 01:07:37,032 --> 01:07:39,392 That's the best place for people to go and take a look? 691 01:07:39,632 --> 01:07:39,772 Yeah. 692 01:07:40,212 --> 01:07:40,412 Yeah. 693 01:07:41,192 --> 01:07:41,712 Excellent. 694 01:07:42,272 --> 01:07:42,672 All right. 695 01:07:42,732 --> 01:07:42,892 Yeah. 696 01:07:42,992 --> 01:07:46,172 And I'll put you in your Twitter handle. 697 01:07:46,612 --> 01:07:50,652 Do you have your own Twitter handle or just under the at consensus21? 698 01:07:51,572 --> 01:07:53,132 Yeah, at consensus21. 699 01:07:53,412 --> 01:07:53,592 Yeah. 700 01:07:53,872 --> 01:07:54,152 Right. 701 01:07:54,232 --> 01:07:54,572 Okay. 702 01:07:54,572 --> 01:07:54,972 Excellent. 703 01:07:54,972 --> 01:07:59,472 so that'll go in the show notes all right so final question if you had one last orange pill 704 01:07:59,472 --> 01:08:02,692 left to give to somebody who would you give it to and why 705 01:08:02,692 --> 01:08:16,872 um that's a good question um i would probably say if i had to give it to one person 706 01:08:16,872 --> 01:08:27,392 even though i mainly because i think this person might be the most important person 707 01:08:27,392 --> 01:08:34,592 in the history of mankind i'd probably say elon musk um for a lot of obvious reasons he has the 708 01:08:34,592 --> 01:08:41,892 biggest reach um the amount of orange pills he could give out is a lot more than any that i could 709 01:08:41,892 --> 01:08:51,772 ever give out. And I think we're in a time of the world where if you really, if you really 710 01:08:51,772 --> 01:08:59,492 believed and, and was orange pilled, I think it'd just be a cascading effect from there. 711 01:08:59,492 --> 01:09:08,212 I think most of at least half the world would be, would be saved. I guess you could say so, 712 01:09:08,212 --> 01:09:13,352 So I'll take away the obvious of my wife and my family and all that stuff. 713 01:09:13,352 --> 01:09:17,672 But I would have to say Elon would be the most impactful. 714 01:09:19,332 --> 01:09:19,772 Perfect. 715 01:09:20,152 --> 01:09:23,292 Well, like I say to most guests, there is no wrong answer. 716 01:09:23,852 --> 01:09:28,232 So it's just a fun little thought experiment at the end of the interview. 717 01:09:28,452 --> 01:09:30,432 So I appreciate you coming on, Josh. 718 01:09:30,492 --> 01:09:32,432 It's been great getting to know you. 719 01:09:32,532 --> 01:09:34,652 I'll get this one out in a week or two. 720 01:09:34,992 --> 01:09:37,812 And I hope that you're going to inspire people around the world to get in touch. 721 01:09:37,812 --> 01:09:42,032 and figure out how they can start doing what you guys are doing in Melbourne, 722 01:09:42,372 --> 01:09:44,092 in their little part of the world as well, 723 01:09:44,092 --> 01:09:49,372 and get the next generation up to speed as quickly as we can about Bitcoin, 724 01:09:49,712 --> 01:09:53,212 Austrian economics, AI, engineering, everything, 725 01:09:53,552 --> 01:09:58,032 everything that is not going on in the mainstream education system. 726 01:09:59,172 --> 01:10:00,892 Absolutely. Thanks a lot for having me on. 727 01:10:00,972 --> 01:10:03,492 We appreciate a lot of fun. Looking forward to do it again. 728 01:10:04,212 --> 01:10:06,072 No problem. Take care. Have a good night. 729 01:10:06,712 --> 01:10:07,412 All right. Thanks. You too. 730 01:10:07,812 --> 01:10:12,852 well there you go guys thank you so much for listening thanks again Josh for taking the time 731 01:10:12,852 --> 01:10:18,732 to come on and well thank you so much for everything that you are doing with your time 732 01:10:18,732 --> 01:10:26,552 with your passion and inspiration and expertise to to put this school together like I said at the 733 01:10:26,552 --> 01:10:32,832 beginning here I hope you've got inspired and you want to reach out to Josh and well go find them on 734 01:10:32,832 --> 01:10:37,812 Twitter, Consensus21, find out what they're doing. If you want to lean into the project, 735 01:10:37,952 --> 01:10:42,452 if you're actually based in Melbourne or close by, if you've got some skills that you can share, 736 01:10:42,552 --> 01:10:47,052 if you've got even like equipment, maybe you've got some old ASICs or some old Bitaxes, 737 01:10:47,152 --> 01:10:52,652 something laying around, or some old hardware wallets, you know, send them over. Like let's 738 01:10:52,652 --> 01:10:58,472 help these guys out as much as we possibly can, or books, whatever it is. Or if you've got time 739 01:10:58,472 --> 01:11:04,712 to give up where you can go and give some demonstrations or a talk or a you know a slideshow 740 01:11:04,712 --> 01:11:11,992 whatever whatever your skill set is uh and if you do feel inspired to lean into this you know you'll 741 01:11:11,992 --> 01:11:18,992 be paid back in so many different ways uh and this is what i love about the that as we build this out 742 01:11:18,992 --> 01:11:25,552 i mean go back and find brian de mint's book it's called parallel i was fortunate enough to be 743 01:11:25,552 --> 01:11:31,012 invited to write a chapter for that book and I wrote a chapter Brian asked me to write a chapter 744 01:11:31,012 --> 01:11:37,732 about the education system and how it was built and where we're headed and the direction it needs 745 01:11:37,732 --> 01:11:43,572 to take and everything that Josh just said here I think we'll all agree this sounds like a way 746 01:11:43,572 --> 01:11:51,552 better future for any of our kids I mean the fact that we still insist on dressing them up 747 01:11:51,552 --> 01:11:58,412 like in cosplay and sending them and by cosplay I mean school uniforms especially in the United 748 01:11:58,412 --> 01:12:01,532 Kingdom I don't know what it's like around the rest of the world but you look at the UK 749 01:12:01,532 --> 01:12:10,212 it's just insanity you've got an eight-year-old in a full suit tie blazer work shoes I mean what 750 01:12:10,212 --> 01:12:17,552 what it's just complete and utter it's child abuse there's no other word for it guys I mean 751 01:12:17,552 --> 01:12:25,072 let's just face fucking facts like it just does not make any sense and then to just go and lock 752 01:12:25,072 --> 01:12:31,172 them up five days a week eight hours a day doing low-grade clerical work and you you wonder why 753 01:12:31,172 --> 01:12:37,292 they fidget and look out the window i mean it's just fucking bananas so that's my little rant 754 01:12:37,292 --> 01:12:44,492 right in the middle of this outro uh so reach out to josh and the guys please uh and there's other 755 01:12:44,492 --> 01:12:49,912 there's other people building this kind of stuff as well you we have Deanna in El Salvador she's 756 01:12:49,912 --> 01:12:55,932 put something together there's there's a bunch of different people around the world all trying to 757 01:12:55,932 --> 01:13:02,592 figure out a better way a more holistic way to educate their kids you have the a place to be 758 01:13:02,592 --> 01:13:09,092 project in Madeira run by Sylvie and Rob Brindid they've attracted some some bitcoiners and some 759 01:13:09,092 --> 01:13:14,292 freedom lovers and you know people that just want the best for their kids and they they have it all 760 01:13:14,292 --> 01:13:19,412 there that the community has been built and talking of Madeira go back and listen to my latest episode 761 01:13:19,412 --> 01:13:26,952 with Andre Loja L-O-J-A because he talks about Basalto Fund that he set up there for free Madeira 762 01:13:26,952 --> 01:13:32,432 and you also have the Sovereign Engineering Cohort over there as well that's run by Gigi and Pablo 763 01:13:32,432 --> 01:13:37,652 so there's a lot going on there if you're interested in a move to Madeira or looking for 764 01:13:37,652 --> 01:13:43,172 that second passport basalto fund is the place for you go and learn about it i'm out of music 765 01:13:43,172 --> 01:13:46,152 thank you so much for listening i'll catch you guys on the next show