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Hello, everybody. My name is Daniel Prince, and I'm the host of the Once Bitten podcast.

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This is a podcast focused on Bitcoin. It's my mission to interview as many people as I can

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around the different aspects of Bitcoin and help people understand exactly what Bitcoin could mean

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for them and for their families and for their future. I hope you enjoy the show. Thank you so

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much for listening. Hello everybody and welcome to this episode of the Once Bitten podcast.

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Joining me today is Dr. Deanna Heikinen who is back on the show. Deanna came back, she came on

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to the Once Bitten podcast moons ago as you will find out in this podcast interview and since then

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she has been incredibly busy whilst living in El Salvador, writing and writing and writing

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and building projects. Her current project is called the Money Wisdom Project. And you can go

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visit that moneywisdomproject.org. Please listen to the show, reach out to Deanna afterwards if

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there's any way that you think that you'll be able to lean into what she's building and offer

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your skills and services in any way possible to help shape the education system and Deanna comes

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from a very long line of understanding how it's not broken right that the education is not the

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education system is not broken it is working perfectly as designed by the people that designed

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it to indoctrinate and propagandize children deanna is trying her best now as she moves into

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the next handful of years to change that in her home country of the united states but she's going

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to need our help and our support so if you've got any kind of skills in that arena or contacts

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and you are a Bitcoiner, maybe you're a sleeper Bitcoiner within the education system,

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Deanna needs your help. Please reach out because it's a very exciting project that she's putting

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together and I hope that you get some inspiration and value from listening to this episode. And then

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go and support her by buying the books that she's written. She's written a handful of kids books

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and they're so great uh brilliant books and she's got a long career in designing curriculums

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she is a lifelong career educator and she is fully orange-pilled completely down the rabbit hole

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and totally understands the power of bitcoin educating uh excuse me separating education

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from state and separating money from state it's like i'm here for it i am here for it so

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supported by buying the books she's written some educational books for adults as well

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and takes you down the long line history of money and getting you the great gifts to get you and

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your friends up to speed or your family that perhaps are still not entering into the rabbit

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hole. So thank you again, Deanna, for all of your hard work. I hope you guys enjoyed this episode.

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Enjoy this episode with Deanna.

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All right, Deanna, we're recording.

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Welcome back to the Once Bitten podcast.

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Thank you. It's nice being here. Nice to see you both again.

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so for those that didn't know and Deanna and I just took some time to scroll through and find it

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uh you first came on the show at block height 803 414 uh to put that into old money that was uh

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16th of August 2023 that you came on and you just uh when we recorded you were in the process of

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moving your family to El Salvador, where you've been since then. And the price then,

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do you remember the price of Bitcoin back? Oh, gosh, no, there's no I you know, I don't pay

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attention to price that much. I do. And I don't. So yeah, I don't I don't keep those thoughts in

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my head. I have other stuff in my head. So back in August of 2023, it was $29,914. The day that I

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released our recording. Well, look at that. We've done quite well then, right? Not too bad. I think

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we've outperformed every hedge fund manager that's ever lived. Yeah, at least by my research.

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Absolutely. Not just this year. So yeah, well, well done as well for everything that you achieved

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in that time, because I've just got a small stack of your books here. This isn't all you've written.

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You've been the busiest bee, it would seem, in Bitcoin.

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So here I've got Shelter Satoshi, which I'm working my way through.

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Loving it, by the way.

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Homeschooling I was drawn to first, which I'm sure you're not surprised to hear.

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So I've read through that one.

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And I've got four of your, what you would class as kids' educational books.

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We've got Satoshi's Secret, The Story of Bitcoin, The Story of Yapstones,

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the biggest money in the world,

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Cowry Shell's Little Money from the Sea,

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The Magic Beans, How the Mayor Used Cacao as Money.

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So, and you have many more.

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I have about 26 more in the works of children's books

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that I am going to be publishing

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over the next couple of months.

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Most of them have written.

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I just, I'm doing my own illustrations.

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and so to, you know, keep prices down and whatnot.

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and putting those together.

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for the youngest ages.

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for the kids like six to eight

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that are just starting to read

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in several different levels.

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for a little bit older.

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and these the first 10 titles will be repeated for each set I'm a classical educator and so

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start you know very simplistic and get a little more complex over time so that's in the works

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and hopefully um by April they'll all be available that's my goal my goodness me Deanna

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That is some work.

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And congratulations.

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It's a labor of love.

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I absolutely, I'm having a lot of fun.

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I think there's a big gap what's out there in materials for children that is age appropriate.

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I see a lot of Bitcoin books and I applaud the authors for trying to, you know, put something out there for children.

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But so many of them are so complex.

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and so the kids can't really understand them in a conceptual level that matches where they're at

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and some you know I'm a long-time educator I've built a lot of curriculum I've worked with students

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from seven years old six seven years old all the way up through college done a lot of curriculum

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design and so I something that's so important to me is to meet kids where they're at I see if you

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don't it's indoctrination and that is something I am completely against on such a strong moral

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foundation. Lauren, this might lead into your first question. Yeah. So my question is,

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what is the hardest thing about Bitcoin to explain to a child?

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I think the hardest thing is the concept of Bitcoin being money I think the concept of money and really like what it means to have a decentralized approach to money you can you can explain that to a six year old which is why I have these

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books, look, we use little shells for money. How cute is that? And then Oh, my goodness, these giant

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stones. Wow. You know, so that's all you need to do when they're really little, they don't need to

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understand Bitcoin is decentralized, and it's the only money you can't do that. Six year olds never

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going to understand that. It's an abstract principle. And you don't do that until maybe

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middle school age, which is like, you know, 13, 12, 13, 14, depending on the individual. And then

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definitely in high school, I'm American, so I go by my school years, but age why, you know, 14 to

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18, they can really start to fundamentally understand it. But before that, you just say,

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oh, yeah, here's another type of money. And isn't that cool? It lives on a computer. And that's all

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you have to do it's okay that they don't get it a lot of adults can't even get it for a while so

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why would you do that to a child i think it's actually abusive to their brains yes oh we could

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we could riff on that for for many hours i'll get off my soapbox now sorry lauren what what did i

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mean you've been asking questions on this podcast for almost six years since you were nine yeah

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what have been like the most memorable memorable moments for you when like that that the satoshi

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has dropped like oh i get that now because there's no way in the world you've been understanding

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concepts at nine years of age that you're understanding to today i

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and obviously I was nine and they said some complex words I obviously didn't understand

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and then we went on a podcast with them again and then I'm like ah that's what it means like

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It just happens more often than I think.

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It's like the words are in the back of my brain

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and they bring it back up.

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And I'm like, oh, no, I actually know what that means now.

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So it just happens without me realising.

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And that was, well, just a seed planted in my brain.

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And it just went to the back and just got brought back up.

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And do you find when you're having conversations

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with your friends about money that you will say something

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that comes out of your mouth that you're like,

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where on earth did that come from?

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well yeah but it's also because we have well we have a lot of dinner discussions about money and

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stuff so it's also um my own opinion but also i have to be realistic it is also probably the words

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that you have said to me before so yeah but they won't be the exact words i say only the ones that

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resonated with you will stay and sing but that sounds like education that's it right you so now

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these books for these little kids that are being read to them, it's planting a seed, right? This is

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the history of money. And I think in order to really understand Bitcoin, you need to understand

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money in its essence, because otherwise it's, you know, I grew up watching Sesame Street in the US

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on PBS. And there was this one of my favorite things was one of these things is not like the

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other. And they would have, you know, different pictures of things, and you'd have to see what one

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was different. And it's kind of that, right? That's what we do with little kids to teach

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them how to compare and contrast so we can really learn. Aristotle figured this out thousands of

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years ago. And so we have to compare in order to understand. And if we just ignore everything else

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and say, here's Bitcoin, and you don't compare it to anything, it doesn't stand out, it doesn't

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make a difference. And so by teaching kids this history of money, they're going to start seeing

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how things are different and how they're used differently. And as they, you know, start reading

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the more advanced books or they start learning a little bit more, then they're going to start

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seeing how things are, yo, that makes sense. You can't use shells for everything, right?

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I, you know, I can find cowrie shells on my beach. So, wow, I, you know, I just got money from the

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ocean. That's cool. You know, I didn't have to work for it other than just walk along the beach

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and, you know, and then barter. Well, I don't, I need to go, but I don't, they don't have anything

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I want. So you just plant these little things in very simplistic. And like you said, Lauren,

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is that you eventually you'll start processing them in the back of your mind, right? And then

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you start to understand and it's not even something that you're consciously doing. It just kind of

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pops out. You're like, whoa, that's kind of cool. I figured it out. And it's really exciting when

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that happens. So what's really interesting, for Shelves of Satoshi, I'm up to chapter, well,

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I've been reading through just to get back up to speed on what you've written here. And I think

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you co-wrote this with your husband, is that correct? Yeah, so I wrote it, and I'm an academic,

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and it was, you know, I thought it was great, but I guess dry. And he's a fiction writer. So he came

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through and storied it up. And, you know, I'm a historian. I have a master's in history,

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but I'm a classical historian. I had to teach myself a lot about the 20th century

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fiasco. And so he kind of came in and polished some things, added some things.

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love it and in chapter 11 where this is the chapter that you're talking about uh money being

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uh defined clearly yeah as a medium of exchange uh by aristotle uh originally and then by um

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adam smith uh as well like 13 centuries later whatever it is i can't do the math in my mind

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right now yeah and you've got the definitions in there as well from oxford miriam uh oxford

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dictionary and the miriam webster dictionary and just for fun i pulled out my black's law

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dictionary from 1979 i think this one nice 1979 fifth edition just to see what black's law

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dictionary has to say about money and the definition in this particular book dictionary

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money in usual and ordinary acceptation it means coins and paper currency used as a circulating

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medium of exchange so there you go boys and girls yeah not just a store of value

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not just a store value just letting you guys know yes yes and someday hopefully bitcoin um can be a

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unit of account, but that's going to be far off. If that happens, actually, I've been doing guest

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articles for Access Tribe on Substack. And I wrote one the other week about what happens if Bitcoin

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wins, what that actually, you know, just speculatively, what that would look like.

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And it's not, I mean, it's a great thing, but how to get the process of getting there is going to be

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extraordinarily painful. So, you know, slow and easy, I think is the way we're going to have to

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win this race otherwise it's going to implode so much of just how we live our lives

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so on the dark side of things there do you think then a CBDC is inevitable in the interim of that

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transition I think it's I think it's going to happen unfortunately um

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I don't see a way around it in a lot of places I mean we live in El Salvador right now we're on

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the U.S. dollar so if the U.S. goes to CBDC El Salvador goes to CBDC it's it's what it is right

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I hate the fact that that's probably what's going to happen but I don't see it and I mean I I hope

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I'm wrong. I hope someone in six months says, look, you were wrong. I'm like, hallelujah. Thank

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you. I'm so glad I was wrong. But I don't know. I mean, for Bitcoin to win, fiat has to go away.

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And I think people just don't understand that yet. They're using it as a store value,

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at least in the West. Now, in other regions, in Africa and Central America and South America,

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it is being used as a medium of exchange, right?

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But it's still coupled to fiat.

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That means that fiat has to have lost.

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And so what does that mean?

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That means financial institutions.

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That means the way everything operates,

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how we get our food, how we travel,

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self-having everything has to just completely it goes away um and it's a beautiful thing i think

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because you know the u.s dollar and the you know um the military and the wars and all of that being

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funded by fiat and you can look back and trace that back to the first central banking too um

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and so it's really a good thing if it happens and maybe it'll be quicker than I think I mean

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in the last couple weeks you know spot futures trading with Bitcoin you can now I mean that

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these are huge movements that I am seeing so maybe it will be faster than I think it seems

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like in the digital age as a historian you know you see things happen over time pretty slowly but

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The fall of the Roman Empire happened slowly, but then all at once.

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I don't know if you're familiar with, but there's a period of stasis where it's almost like things stay the same.

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Some subscribe to that idea but I think in monetary history we can also see that That really interesting Before we get geeky on anthropology and money and stuff I just want to ask Lauren if you had any further questions

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I have no further questions, but this is really interesting.

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Thank you for talking to me.

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It's nice seeing you again, Lauren.

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Thank you so much.

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Have a good podcast.

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so let's stick to that because um i've said in the past uh or i or i'm repeating someone most likely

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that uh we're not in a financial revolution we're in a financial evolution and and to me what that

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means is when you look at it anthropologically the thing that you know lifted our species out of

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well, basically we started forming societies and civilizations

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on top of the fact that we discovered that using a medium of exchange

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was the way that we could explode communication with each other.

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We could explode commerce with each other.

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Obviously, we weren't going global in that time.

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It would have felt like it going from tribe to tribe,

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from township to township.

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And then you could actually start building on the foundations of the fact that,

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wow, we've just found a way to communicate value

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across space and time with each other.

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And whether that's shells or feathers or bones or marbles

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or pieces of rock, it would have been different

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in each part of the world that you were at.

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We're there again with Bitcoin.

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That's what gives me the goosebumps every time.

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So geek out as much as you want on anthropological,

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kind of discovery of a medium exchange and what it truly means for our species and where you think

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we're at right now it's um well it's really i i have a again a master's in history and in

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anthropology so this is like i could geek out on this is your weird hours all right okay good so

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you know how humans um civilizations and in terms of um society like arrangement you go from really

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small band level people you know people living in really small bands that follow like probably the

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best hunter or the father and they're all usually you know related to each other in some way and then

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they it kind of advances to tribes where you have more people not everyone is related maybe you have

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a head man maybe you have a shaman maybe not and then you start getting into chiefdoms and you start

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having a little more sedentary maybe people are pastoralists following their herd animals

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maybe their horticulturalist having small gardens but still foraging and then you get into state

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level societies and when you get to state level societies you start seeing some you know more

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complex barter and chiefdoms but when you get to that state level society people are now sedentary

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you have specialists I am now a leather worker and I will trade for whatever I need the grain

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to feed my family etc and so with that state level society and sedentaryism that's when you get trade

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really across these distances. And we see that first in Mesopotamia. We see trade between

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Mesopotamia, which is now like in modern day Iraq, all the way over to India and the Indus

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River civilizations. So we see movement of things. And we can, you know, we call them artifacts,

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these cultural artifacts from these different civilizations. And that's what how trade works.

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And so and then the next big advancement would be shekels in Mesopotamia, coins, the first like

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really rudimentary banks because you could have your deposits there. And then after that, we get

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coins and then we get paper money and then central banking. And I agree with you. I think this is the

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next big thing is with this idea for the first time in human monetary history, decentralized

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currency. There's not, well, since we had, you know, early, early forms, but we don't have

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someone who is saying, okay, here's the value and here's how it's going to be. Because even with the

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flying money, those early banknotes in China, they got corrupted so easily with the deposit

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houses. I mean, everything seems to get corrupted over and over and over. And this is the first

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opportunity. So I think it's a massive evolutionary shift in monetary history where we're at right now

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with Bitcoin. And whether it's going to, there's kind of a race to educate people on how it's

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different from other digital currencies. So when I talk to Bitcoiners that won't even

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mention Ethereum or any of these other coins out there, I think it's a disservice because again,

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that comparative analysis, right? That's how we learn. We compare things. And if you don't

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make that distinction, if you just disregard and pretend they don't exist, I think we're doing a

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very big disservice to say why this is unique and different in this moment for the first time

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in state-level human history. It's like explaining the difference between a gold nugget and a pebble.

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right yeah if you disregard the pub pebbles oh yeah gold is cool yeah shiny yeah i like it but

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that's it right yeah yeah you have you have to address the elephant in the room so to speak i

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guess it's um that again in your book um you talk about uh what i love about it is the history and

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the anthropology obviously uh and um just coming back to this idea that uh like you said we have

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for the first time ever, we found a decentralized solution that with increasing digital finite

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scarcity, like it just blows your mind, right? You know, it's just absolutely, you know, what?

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And no wonder people can't just grog that straight away. Like that's a lot to take in.

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Like, you know, it's-

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Absolutely. It's not something we've heard of. It's not something familiar. It's not something

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we've seen in, like we read in a book in school that maybe it's just kind of this little memory

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back there. This is brand new. It's revolutionary. So how would Adam Smith have thought about this?

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Because you've got a little passage here in the book where he wrote about money in his book,

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An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations, which, by the way, I haven't read.

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I've read excerpts. It's really long, and it's a lot.

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I just want people to understand. I'm holding my hands up. I've not read that one.

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I've not even read Mises' Human Action.

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I've listened to like the first X amount of hours on Audible, but I've not got through the whole thing yet.

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So there's a passage in it where he states,

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The value of any commodity, therefore, to the person who possesses it and who means not to use or consume it himself,

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but to exchange it for other commodities, is equal to the quantity of labor which enables him to purchase or command.

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labor therefore is the real measure of the exchangeable value of all commodities so he's

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basically saying proof of work right in in a roundabout way in 1776 yeah it's it's remarkable

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right um i always tell people that when i'm talking about money as humans the only thing

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that we have is our time and energy labor right as he would have defined it and that is our value

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the next day I would expect for what I received in return money

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should be valued the same amount.

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It shouldn't go lower.

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And maybe it shouldn't go higher.

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And if it does, right,

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but I should be able to hold that amount of value to the next day

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and to the next day.

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And then I should be able to choose how I take that money.

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And if I want to put it somewhere where I think it might increase value and take that risk of my own accord, but not let someone take that away from me.

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And I think that's what Bitcoin does now.

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Okay, it's coupled to fiat.

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So that kills that argument.

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But in of itself, one Bitcoin I could have bought in 2011 is still one Bitcoin I would have today.

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So Aristotle has A is A, right?

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I think Bitcoin one is one.

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Now, if we couple it to fiat, but that's something that we have to do right now because I think we're in this intermediary period.

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We're figuring it out.

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But for Bitcoin to win, one Bitcoin is one Bitcoin.

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One Bitcoin will still be one Bitcoin tomorrow.

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Someone doesn't get to say, you know what, just kidding.

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Now you have 0.97 Bitcoin like they do to my U.S. dollar.

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And that is where Bitcoin comes in.

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That's why it's so important.

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And that's the message that we need to, for people to understand.

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Like, oh yeah, it goes down.

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Well, no, the dollar, you know, we're coupling it to that.

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And we have to right now.

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We have to, I'm planning on traveling to South America next year and I'm going to have to

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exchange currency again.

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And I, because I live in El Salvador and I'm American and I get, you know, I teach online

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and I get paid an American dollar.

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Like I haven't thought about changing currency in quite a while.

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I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm going to have to change currency.

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This is going to be so weird for me.

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But if I was on Bitcoin and if I go to, you know, travel to some of these circular economy

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areas, I can just pay with my Bitcoin.

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And I don't think about that.

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And that's really fun to think about, too.

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So this brings us full circle back to an anthropological kind of look at why Bitcoin.

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And this seems like when you hear people say it, it sounds so hyperbolic.

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But until you actually understand the nature of what is happening Bitcoin is inevitable because anthropologically our species will always move to the soundest form of money that is discoverable to them at any given time Yeah it true I mean you see China is a great example with the onset of paper money

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right? And when it was first introduced, you have these deposit houses, and it was very regional,

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and the money wasn't accepted across different regions of China. And then over time, a couple

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of them went out. So you had the money in the North and the money in the South. And then Kubla

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Khan came in and, you know, kind of centralized everything. And now it's all the same money in

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China. And so you see that they're going to try to want to, you know, we want to streamline,

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we want to make it easy for ourselves. We're lazy, right? We want to be, maybe lazy is a

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horrible thing to say. Maybe we're efficient. But we want to figure out a way to make it easier on

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ourselves in the long run. I think most people will strive to do that. I mean, look at technology

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that we have. We are trying to make our lives easier and easier. So we have more time for

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other things. And if we have to focus so much on our money, we don't have time for other things

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that we would really rather spend our time on. I've heard Kenneth Svonholm say this years and

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years ago everything we've ever invented was invented in order to save time absolutely and

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time and energy right it goes back to that i yeah you know what we still like dipping feathers in

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you know in ink like no i mean i have fountain pen fountain pens because i think they're cool

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and unique and i'm a historian and that's fun and i actually have a feather quill but yeah no if i'm

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going to write something i just grab a you know a clicker ballpoint yeah so everything everything

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ever invented everything trains airplanes are better than trains right um now we have uh maglev

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trains so they're even faster using magnets instead of you know the traditional rails it's just

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fascinating to see how technology keeps advancing i mean we went from the spear to the bow and arrow

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way back when and that was revolutionary because no longer did you have to get so close where you

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could spear but even between that we had an atlatl which was this little device you put on the end of

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the spear to make it go further and um to make you know the spear would go farther and it would go

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harder so you could not have to be so close it was more efficient then we did bow and arrow and then

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our arrows got better and smaller it's just you know then we put poison on them so we're always

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trying to be more and more efficient and save time and energy so we have more time and energy to do

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what i don't know but we you know scroll through cat videos who knows

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that damn technology trapping us in the algorithms uh yeah exactly uh right okay um

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to to leave history aside for for a moment i'm sure we'll come back to it uh as always with me

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sorry yeah that's fine yeah like we said before you uh you were entering a new phase of your life

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a couple of years ago when we first connected.

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So do you want to get everybody up to speed then

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as to what that has been like in the last few years?

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Because a lot of Bitcoiners that listen to the show,

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they're ready.

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They're dying to give up their fiat jobs.

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They're dying to take their families on a year-long travel.

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I've done a lot of podcasts about van life

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and this kind of thing.

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We've done it ourselves.

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My book, Choose Life, is about that.

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You guys have done it for the last two years.

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and you've got new adventures afoot.

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So yeah, get everybody up to speed

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as to what's been going on with you guys.

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And in 2023, my husband and I moved down here to El Salvador

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and me being Pollyanna optimist,

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I thought I was going to be able to open a school

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and that was my plan.

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If you listen to the old podcast, you'll see,

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oh wait, she's going to open a school.

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Yeah, no.

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So logistically, it was pretty impossible here

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for a lot of reasons.

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El Salvador is up and coming

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and I mean I used to do archaeology in Egypt so I am familiar with you know living in very

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remote rural areas and not having all the services we're used to and it's still that way here to be

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honest. I live on the beach which is a pretty remote area and it's hard to get you know you

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can't just go down to a strip mall and rent a space to open up a little school. I know somebody

417
00:35:38,838 --> 00:35:43,878
who's been in the country for a long time and wanted to open a school on the beach and has

418
00:35:43,878 --> 00:35:49,838
searched for a long time and still couldn't find the right location. So it's a thing and that's okay.

419
00:35:50,198 --> 00:35:58,618
So I kept my fiat job where I am an online writing teacher. And so I've been working remotely with

420
00:35:58,618 --> 00:36:03,358
families in the States and I do that part-time. Obviously I've been writing a couple books.

421
00:36:03,358 --> 00:36:19,439
So I've been doing that. I've worked with Bitcoin Beach, me, Premier Bitcoin a little bit, just kind of doing some education and consulting with them and kind of just living down here, sweating a lot at the beach.

422
00:36:19,439 --> 00:36:22,298
It's about, you know, it seems to be 90 degrees year round.

423
00:36:22,598 --> 00:36:25,098
So it's almost Christmas here and it's just hot.

424
00:36:25,658 --> 00:36:26,798
And yeah.

425
00:36:27,459 --> 00:36:35,858
And so we we've been here two and a half years and there's it's again, there's like a big

426
00:36:35,858 --> 00:36:36,419
transition.

427
00:36:36,419 --> 00:36:40,158
People that have been here for two to three years are starting to kind of move away.

428
00:36:40,758 --> 00:36:45,498
And we have new people always coming in Bitcoiners and particularly expat Bitcoiners.

429
00:36:46,058 --> 00:36:48,959
And so I'm in the wave that's kind of leaving.

430
00:36:48,959 --> 00:36:52,638
So a few of my really good friends and people I know have already left.

431
00:36:52,798 --> 00:36:56,198
Some more are planning on leaving for various reasons.

432
00:36:56,478 --> 00:37:00,038
We're on the U.S. dollar here and it's expensive, to be honest.

433
00:37:00,238 --> 00:37:01,898
People are not prepared for that when they come here.

434
00:37:01,998 --> 00:37:02,878
I wasn't.

435
00:37:03,118 --> 00:37:07,939
Like our electric bill and we have little like unit wall units.

436
00:37:08,558 --> 00:37:13,358
And I run the one in the office during the day and we run the one in the bedroom at night.

437
00:37:13,439 --> 00:37:16,018
And our electric bill is like 300 U.S. dollars.

438
00:37:16,638 --> 00:37:17,258
It's expensive.

439
00:37:17,258 --> 00:37:23,098
rents are i mean we could live for what we pay here we could live the same in the states

440
00:37:23,098 --> 00:37:29,638
okay so and i don't think people hear that and i'm at the beach and it's expensive here

441
00:37:29,638 --> 00:37:35,638
at the beach i live in a nice little you know community gated community a lot of expat bitcoiners

442
00:37:35,638 --> 00:37:42,978
are down here and so there's that um we don't always have what like our water will be turned

443
00:37:42,978 --> 00:37:48,959
off. Power can be out for several hours if there's like a car accident on the road and it knocks the

444
00:37:48,959 --> 00:37:53,959
lines out or if they're going to be doing maintenance. And so I know I sound like a

445
00:37:53,959 --> 00:37:58,758
bougie American and that's if you want to call me that, that's fine. But also we're paying a lot of

446
00:37:58,758 --> 00:38:05,358
money to be here. So there's that. And I am a woman of a certain age and I'm kind of just sick

447
00:38:05,358 --> 00:38:12,138
of the heat. I want seasons again. I want to feel cold. You know, for podcasts and teaching, I put a

448
00:38:12,138 --> 00:38:18,898
sweater on and but I turn the air down so I can do that so otherwise you know we're just kind of

449
00:38:18,898 --> 00:38:27,578
like living in you know tank tops and shorts and whatnot all the time which is okay but so I with

450
00:38:27,578 --> 00:38:34,158
writing the books and doing a lot of soul searching in the last few months I have started a non-profit

451
00:38:34,158 --> 00:38:41,258
and I'm in the midst of getting it all sorted it's called Money Wisdom Project and for a while

452
00:38:41,258 --> 00:38:46,598
what I saw as my white whale, if you'll pardon the literary reference,

453
00:38:46,998 --> 00:38:53,838
is the American education system and trying to infiltrate that to counteract the Marxist ideas

454
00:38:53,838 --> 00:39:00,098
that are prevalent by teaching the history of money. And again, it goes back to history,

455
00:39:00,318 --> 00:39:04,158
but I think in order to understand Bitcoin, you need to understand money in a really deep way.

456
00:39:04,798 --> 00:39:09,459
So I am starting Money Wisdom Project to offer free curriculum to schools.

457
00:39:09,459 --> 00:39:14,098
the same way that Black Lives Matter

458
00:39:14,098 --> 00:39:16,218
offered free curriculum to spread Marxism

459
00:39:16,218 --> 00:39:18,778
and racism,

460
00:39:19,218 --> 00:39:21,878
I'm going to try to teach kids

461
00:39:21,878 --> 00:39:23,798
just the history of money.

462
00:39:23,919 --> 00:39:25,578
And I will do it across levels.

463
00:39:25,978 --> 00:39:27,338
I'm doing it as a nonprofit.

464
00:39:28,378 --> 00:39:30,258
And because it's history of money,

465
00:39:30,258 --> 00:39:31,898
it falls under financial literacy,

466
00:39:31,898 --> 00:39:34,798
which is required by a lot of states now

467
00:39:34,798 --> 00:39:37,698
in the United States for education standards.

468
00:39:37,698 --> 00:39:42,758
I'll be tying it to standards right in the curriculum so it's like teachers just have to

469
00:39:42,758 --> 00:39:48,098
roll out of bed and teach this be facilitators not even teachers really for the curriculum one

470
00:39:48,098 --> 00:39:51,979
to four weeks so they can integrate it right into the middle of their school year whenever they want

471
00:39:51,979 --> 00:39:59,038
make it super easy for them to start getting these ideas in schools and I'm going to start

472
00:39:59,038 --> 00:40:05,318
with U.S. and Canada and then branch out do translations and just offer this free it'll be

473
00:40:05,318 --> 00:40:10,038
available for homeschool families. It'll be available for anybody who wants it. And then

474
00:40:10,038 --> 00:40:14,718
I'll be looking for grants and donations to help support the work and to spread the curriculum

475
00:40:14,718 --> 00:40:20,578
and these ideas of teaching about money in order to understand Bitcoin. So Bitcoin is a piece of it,

476
00:40:20,638 --> 00:40:27,118
but it's not Bitcoin education per se. It's money education, which I think is really where there's

477
00:40:27,118 --> 00:40:33,298
a huge gap. And it's not the financial literacy in the States and in a lot of places is, okay,

478
00:40:33,298 --> 00:40:38,419
here's how you operate in fiat. Here's how you balance your, you know, bank account or checkbook.

479
00:40:38,518 --> 00:40:43,698
We don't use checks, but how to balance your bank account. This is a 401k. This is how you invest in

480
00:40:43,698 --> 00:40:50,678
the TradFi system. And I won't touch that. This is just, these are all, this is money. And this is

481
00:40:50,678 --> 00:40:56,578
how it's evolved over time. People have invented and reinvented. And now we had this stuff we call

482
00:40:56,578 --> 00:41:00,979
fiat money, but now there's this new thing and it's digital currency. So let's look at CBDCs.

483
00:41:00,979 --> 00:41:05,858
What is that? Let's look at, you know, all these different coins and let's look at Bitcoin.

484
00:41:05,858 --> 00:41:10,979
And so take everything that's out there and just teach about the entire complexity of money.

485
00:41:11,979 --> 00:41:15,959
And in a level that the students can understand. Right.

486
00:41:16,038 --> 00:41:22,058
So in kindergarten, they're going to get little color books of calorie shells and they're going to learn that this is one's money.

487
00:41:22,439 --> 00:41:28,618
And then by high school, they're going to be assigned essays to defend one system of money against another and everything in between.

488
00:41:28,618 --> 00:41:39,919
very cool and a big yeah so and part of this is the books that i'm writing is to offer those free to circular economies

489
00:41:39,944 --> 00:41:43,944
and libraries around the world just to get the stuff out there.

490
00:41:44,824 --> 00:41:45,804
We need it.

491
00:41:45,804 --> 00:41:50,404
And there's a lady, Claire Chisholm,

492
00:41:50,544 --> 00:41:53,964
that's in the Loughlin School in Scotland,

493
00:41:54,824 --> 00:41:58,244
which is, to my knowledge, the first private school in the UK

494
00:41:58,244 --> 00:42:03,784
to be accepting Bitcoin for their fees.

495
00:42:04,164 --> 00:42:06,824
They've also got a Bitcoin donor program

496
00:42:06,824 --> 00:42:10,484
whereby scholarships are awarded

497
00:42:10,484 --> 00:42:13,684
after a certain amount of Bitcoin has been donated there.

498
00:42:13,704 --> 00:42:18,424
And she's working with Safer Dean to write like a curriculum,

499
00:42:18,624 --> 00:42:21,004
for want of a better word, based on the Bitcoin standard.

500
00:42:21,904 --> 00:42:23,664
So that's great to see.

501
00:42:23,664 --> 00:42:26,224
And what you're doing is great to see.

502
00:42:26,764 --> 00:42:30,184
What Meet Premier Bitcoin are doing is great to see.

503
00:42:30,844 --> 00:42:31,344
Absolutely.

504
00:42:31,924 --> 00:42:34,824
And I plan on working with my first Bitcoin.

505
00:42:34,824 --> 00:42:37,424
I know John, I know all the guys over there.

506
00:42:37,784 --> 00:42:41,124
And because it complements, they're teaching Bitcoin

507
00:42:41,124 --> 00:42:43,264
and I'm just teaching that there's this thing called

508
00:42:43,264 --> 00:42:44,084
and very minimal.

509
00:42:44,624 --> 00:42:45,844
And then that's the next step

510
00:42:45,844 --> 00:42:47,884
if people want to learn more is to take their curriculum.

511
00:42:49,264 --> 00:42:50,784
So it works really well

512
00:42:50,784 --> 00:42:52,544
with anybody doing Bitcoin curriculum

513
00:42:52,544 --> 00:42:53,884
because I drop off at Bitcoin

514
00:42:53,884 --> 00:42:54,844
and then they can pick up

515
00:42:54,844 --> 00:42:56,344
and get into the complexities of it.

516
00:42:56,924 --> 00:42:58,684
How deep down the rabbit hole

517
00:42:58,684 --> 00:43:01,664
of the history of central banking

518
00:43:01,664 --> 00:43:04,324
have you taken yourself?

519
00:43:04,824 --> 00:43:17,624
um so i mean i what i wrote in um shells satoshi introducing um you know the rikes bank and all of

520
00:43:17,624 --> 00:43:25,744
that and then talking about um when it you know britain started a central bank and the and i

521
00:43:25,744 --> 00:43:30,744
really focused more like on how it affected trade and the trade routes and things like that and how

522
00:43:30,744 --> 00:43:38,244
it enabled the East India company. I don't know if I know everything about it. I know it in those

523
00:43:38,244 --> 00:43:46,404
contexts. And then the Fed, you know, Jekyll Island, I, you know, read, read from Jekyll Island,

524
00:43:46,704 --> 00:43:52,644
you know, and I studied that as well. But I don't know a lot about each country, central bank,

525
00:43:52,644 --> 00:43:57,004
like I'm learning a little more. We're going to Argentina next year. So I'm very curious. So I'm

526
00:43:57,004 --> 00:44:02,684
reading quite up on kind of what's happened there um i know some of the history but i don't i wouldn't

527
00:44:02,684 --> 00:44:06,724
say i'm an expert by any means i couldn't write a book solely on that i'd have to do a lot of

528
00:44:06,724 --> 00:44:13,324
research right yeah which i'm sure you'll have fun delving into but the reason i ask is because

529
00:44:13,324 --> 00:44:22,604
i've heard on stage at a few bitcoin conferences recently um central bank's being celebrated and

530
00:44:22,604 --> 00:44:23,244
I'm like, what?

531
00:44:23,424 --> 00:44:24,824
Like, you know, what are you talking about?

532
00:44:24,824 --> 00:44:29,364
Like, you know, and referencing the formation of the Bank of England

533
00:44:29,364 --> 00:44:35,904
as a pivotal moment in that, in the great empire, you know,

534
00:44:36,324 --> 00:44:37,744
construction after that.

535
00:44:37,844 --> 00:44:39,024
And if they hadn't have done that.

536
00:44:39,104 --> 00:44:45,504
And I'm like, guys, it was formed in order to go to war.

537
00:44:46,084 --> 00:44:49,624
Like, you know, the Dutch royal family ousted the English royal family

538
00:44:49,624 --> 00:44:53,584
in order to go to war with France so they could end up making more money out.

539
00:44:53,684 --> 00:44:56,084
It's the same story over and over.

540
00:44:56,984 --> 00:45:01,044
Yeah, I wouldn't say it would be something to celebrate,

541
00:45:01,184 --> 00:45:06,044
but it was always about funding wars and about whether it should be funded privately

542
00:45:06,044 --> 00:45:08,324
or through the state, and they decided to do it through the state.

543
00:45:08,424 --> 00:45:11,304
I mean, that's how it was founded, and then Britain did the same thing,

544
00:45:11,964 --> 00:45:13,684
and then they controlled the trade routes,

545
00:45:13,724 --> 00:45:15,404
and then they fought to control the trade routes.

546
00:45:16,904 --> 00:45:17,384
Yeah.

547
00:45:17,384 --> 00:45:28,404
Yeah. It's also, so the 20th century, you've looked at that, obviously. Dare we call it the century of all out war?

548
00:45:29,844 --> 00:45:47,004
Yeah. It's disturbing in a lot of levels globally. I mean, as an American, you know, I kind of want to hide my head under the sand about it, you know, just out of shame from what the history of how America has this, you know,

549
00:45:47,004 --> 00:45:58,724
And then I actually did this really crazy dive in the petrodollar because I wanted to find the documentation of the arrangement between Saudi Arabia and the U.S.

550
00:45:58,904 --> 00:46:08,864
And I was going through archives and all of these, you know, website where you can pull up all this stuff and trying to I was going to do a freedom of information request also.

551
00:46:08,864 --> 00:46:12,364
but I can't I can find

552
00:46:12,364 --> 00:46:22,704
like some things alluding to it but there's not an actual agreement that exists that I could find

553
00:46:22,704 --> 00:46:29,924
and I think research is my superpower and so there was kind of a there were some meetings

554
00:46:29,924 --> 00:46:41,324
between the prince and various American people with, you know, secretary of state, vice president.

555
00:46:42,644 --> 00:46:50,444
But I couldn't find a formal agreement. It didn't exist. It's more kind of backroom handshakes.

556
00:46:51,104 --> 00:46:56,864
And this petrodollar has been this thing, right? And it was supposedly for 50 years. And on the

557
00:46:56,864 --> 00:47:01,664
50th anniversary that's where I went for like three weeks I scoured and scoured and scoured

558
00:47:01,664 --> 00:47:10,364
trying to find the official agreement which should be readily available in the American archives and

559
00:47:10,364 --> 00:47:17,184
it isn't but you can read meeting notes of things kind of alluding to this type of a thing but

560
00:47:17,184 --> 00:47:22,644
there's no formal agreement that I could find but it's this thing that's just kind of held this clout

561
00:47:22,644 --> 00:47:29,624
for so long. So that was fascinating to me. And I some point, maybe when I get back to the States,

562
00:47:29,624 --> 00:47:34,004
I'll do a freedom of information. I have a couple of things, requests I want to look for a couple.

563
00:47:34,744 --> 00:47:39,184
Hopefully they're not all redacted. But this is the kind of crazy stuff that I just is like fun

564
00:47:39,184 --> 00:47:43,724
for me. It's like a good Saturday night for me to go down and try to look through all the archives

565
00:47:43,724 --> 00:47:49,144
and stuff. When I was writing the book, I was in the, you know, the British archives looking at the

566
00:47:49,144 --> 00:47:56,044
central banking documents and found out that Australia was the first government that had a

567
00:47:56,044 --> 00:48:01,324
gold seizure even before the US did. Really fascinating stuff when you start looking at

568
00:48:01,324 --> 00:48:08,764
the archives and this history of money. One of my plans in the next year or so is to create a

569
00:48:08,764 --> 00:48:13,824
history of money source book with all of these primary source documents in one place if somebody's

570
00:48:13,824 --> 00:48:19,024
curious. I always say go back to the source. I see all this stuff on

571
00:48:19,024 --> 00:48:24,104
Twitter like ah and then like go to the source go to the source so I always will like link to the

572
00:48:24,104 --> 00:48:29,544
original source and like read this make your own opinion read this make your own I don't know I'm

573
00:48:29,544 --> 00:48:35,284
like the source guru I guess or something but I think it'd be really interesting to put out a

574
00:48:35,284 --> 00:48:39,384
source book so people who are curious about this stuff could just go and find out and make their

575
00:48:39,384 --> 00:48:44,964
own opinions and you know have their own talking points it's a big thing for me that's why I love

576
00:48:44,964 --> 00:48:47,564
The Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins.

577
00:48:48,144 --> 00:48:48,444
Yeah.

578
00:48:48,524 --> 00:48:52,244
Because the citations in that book, I mean, Griffin's book,

579
00:48:52,504 --> 00:48:54,864
The Creature from Jekyll Island is great as well.

580
00:48:55,284 --> 00:48:58,304
And, you know, written, I think he wrote that in the 90s.

581
00:48:58,304 --> 00:49:04,444
But Eustace was writing his book in the late 40s, I think, 48, 49 is when he started writing that.

582
00:49:05,184 --> 00:49:09,144
And he was studying at the Congressional Library.

583
00:49:09,644 --> 00:49:14,364
And he had the dude at the library checking his notes.

584
00:49:14,364 --> 00:49:25,644
And then he would take his notes that had already been checked to Ezra Pound, who was imprisoned for speaking his mind about World War I, who would then recheck his notes.

585
00:49:25,924 --> 00:49:28,904
And then he would go back, get them checked again, and then go back to the source.

586
00:49:28,904 --> 00:49:32,144
So that book is so foundational.

587
00:49:32,524 --> 00:49:42,064
And he has minutes from Congress meetings where the formation of the Federal Reserve was being discussed in Congress.

588
00:49:42,064 --> 00:49:52,624
And he has the minutes and he has the names of the people like Senator Lindbergh, I think, was one that was vehemently against what was going on.

589
00:49:52,884 --> 00:49:56,824
And you have all of this pushback and you see it and it's just so fascinating.

590
00:49:57,444 --> 00:50:10,904
It is. And even before that, if you look, you go back to the founding fathers and you read the debates in about whether or not to have a centralized currency.

591
00:50:10,904 --> 00:50:16,884
and you know Hamilton because of that stupid musical which is completely historically inaccurate

592
00:50:16,884 --> 00:50:22,324
it's unbelievable people like I'm so glad all right can we please rip to shreds Alexander

593
00:50:22,324 --> 00:50:27,624
Hamilton yes and I'm like who celebrates this oh yeah they're Marxists got it okay we're good

594
00:50:27,624 --> 00:50:33,244
I understand now why you're celebrating this guy yeah Hamilton is not a hero don't get me started

595
00:50:33,244 --> 00:50:38,704
please please can we talk about how he was an agent of the Rothschilds sent to set up a central

596
00:50:38,704 --> 00:50:44,504
bank in the united states yes and he he wants yeah and if you go i mean read the federalists

597
00:50:44,504 --> 00:50:51,044
and the anti-federalist papers fascinating history so cool just and there you know or go to the

598
00:50:51,044 --> 00:50:56,864
archives and read letters between you know jefferson and madison and washington talking

599
00:50:56,864 --> 00:51:02,544
about these topics you know i i focus on education and money that's what i'm really curious about

600
00:51:02,544 --> 00:51:08,244
and so to go back and you can even just search by a term and they've all been digitized so you can

601
00:51:08,244 --> 00:51:14,864
just read them and it's just amazing to see and Hamilton is the villain in this story

602
00:51:14,864 --> 00:51:25,284
yeah I don't know I've often thought about that musical and uh who I have a friend that will

603
00:51:25,284 --> 00:51:28,984
always sing it just to get under my skin I'm like I don't even know I know you're singing a song

604
00:51:28,984 --> 00:51:36,864
from it but I don't even know it uh it's it's so frustrating um one the music's just annoying

605
00:51:36,864 --> 00:51:45,344
but like two that the the like the the factual is just incorrect like that like so it's so

606
00:51:45,344 --> 00:51:51,624
inaccurate and it's just I mean my family came over um my relations all the way back to the

607
00:51:51,624 --> 00:51:55,304
Mayflower I'm I'm card-carrying member of the Daughters of the American Revolution

608
00:51:55,304 --> 00:52:12,851
I love history I very proud of you know my ancestors fought sorry I know you UK but fought for freedom And I hold that really close It actually why I left the States because I felt that we gotten so far away from the Constitution that I just couldn be there

609
00:52:12,851 --> 00:52:14,411
And I needed a little break.

610
00:52:15,351 --> 00:52:19,031
And I'm okay to go back now.

611
00:52:19,031 --> 00:52:32,631
I want to educate kids about money and freedom and sovereignty and try to empower them more than I hate the United States right now with what it's become.

612
00:52:33,211 --> 00:52:34,531
So that has won out.

613
00:52:34,611 --> 00:52:36,011
So it's been good for me being down here.

614
00:52:36,571 --> 00:52:36,971
For sure.

615
00:52:37,331 --> 00:52:44,831
You know, traveling, living abroad just gives you such a completely different outlook on life.

616
00:52:44,911 --> 00:52:47,311
And it gives you the room to think and breathe.

617
00:52:47,311 --> 00:52:50,271
look we were away from the UK for 25 years

618
00:52:50,271 --> 00:52:52,351
here we are back on the shores

619
00:52:52,351 --> 00:52:54,471
and enjoying it

620
00:52:54,471 --> 00:52:56,171
thus far and really enjoying

621
00:52:56,171 --> 00:52:58,011
reconnecting

622
00:52:58,011 --> 00:53:00,411
well connecting with the Bitcoin community

623
00:53:00,411 --> 00:53:02,751
here that are doing great work

624
00:53:02,751 --> 00:53:04,451
there's a lot of

625
00:53:04,451 --> 00:53:06,551
really great things happening

626
00:53:06,551 --> 00:53:08,111
and throughout Europe

627
00:53:08,111 --> 00:53:10,011
and it's great to see but now

628
00:53:10,011 --> 00:53:12,271
let's switch to homeschooling your book

629
00:53:12,271 --> 00:53:13,851
which

630
00:53:13,851 --> 00:53:16,391
yes a lovely read I must say

631
00:53:16,391 --> 00:53:23,891
gives me a lot more connection to you because now I know you as a little girl as well because

632
00:53:23,891 --> 00:53:31,171
you talk about that growing up and how your life has been shaped. What I really took away from it

633
00:53:31,171 --> 00:53:38,331
is like, here's a person that knows what she was born to do. And you're a mentor. And from the

634
00:53:38,331 --> 00:53:45,751
truest sense of the word, you're not a teacher. You are a mentor and a facilitator. You're someone

635
00:53:45,751 --> 00:53:49,551
with a passion for education and that is reflected in your work.

636
00:53:50,211 --> 00:53:56,451
So to have you go back, I suppose, to America and unleash that power

637
00:53:56,451 --> 00:54:01,411
and the way that you're going to do it with the nonprofit that you're setting up

638
00:54:01,411 --> 00:54:05,531
and hopefully people will reach out to you and enable you the best way

639
00:54:05,531 --> 00:54:09,651
that they see fit is going to be amazing.

640
00:54:10,351 --> 00:54:11,671
So well done to that.

641
00:54:11,671 --> 00:54:18,351
So for people that haven't read the book, it's called Own Schooling, Bitcoin Sovereignty and Education.

642
00:54:19,851 --> 00:54:21,851
You know, I love all this kind of stuff.

643
00:54:22,651 --> 00:54:31,951
And if you're going to separate money from state, it's inevitable that you're going to separate other things from state.

644
00:54:32,271 --> 00:54:40,991
And if you're a parent or about to start a family, you're sure as shit going to really think about separating education from state.

645
00:54:40,991 --> 00:54:44,371
So do you want to explain why that's important to you?

646
00:54:46,351 --> 00:54:50,771
I see it as outsourcing your children's minds.

647
00:54:51,411 --> 00:54:54,931
And I see that as even worse than outsourcing your money.

648
00:54:55,731 --> 00:54:56,771
These are your children.

649
00:54:57,031 --> 00:54:57,791
This is their mind.

650
00:54:57,951 --> 00:54:59,091
This is what we get, right?

651
00:54:59,391 --> 00:55:04,631
This is what makes us, this is what separates us from every other thing on the planet is our human brain.

652
00:55:04,631 --> 00:55:14,631
And if you're going to outsource that to people that you don't even know, that you don't know what they're going to think, what they're going to say, what they're going to do, I think it's really, really awful.

653
00:55:15,251 --> 00:55:19,711
Now, I know in some places, Germany, for example, you cannot homeschool.

654
00:55:20,571 --> 00:55:22,571
So I address that, right, in the book.

655
00:55:22,651 --> 00:55:24,351
I say, if you cannot, that's okay.

656
00:55:24,751 --> 00:55:25,671
You figure out.

657
00:55:25,811 --> 00:55:27,011
You become involved.

658
00:55:27,611 --> 00:55:31,991
And I tell my story in the first chapter because my mom, I see, is the first homeschooler.

659
00:55:32,291 --> 00:55:34,291
She was so involved in our education.

660
00:55:34,291 --> 00:55:37,911
I was publicly educated all the way up until I got my doctorate.

661
00:55:38,671 --> 00:55:40,291
And my doctorate was my first private school.

662
00:55:40,711 --> 00:55:44,911
But everything, university, everything before that, all public school.

663
00:55:45,351 --> 00:55:48,791
But I had a really good education because my mom did her due diligence.

664
00:55:49,631 --> 00:55:52,811
She went and did research and she found the best school district.

665
00:55:53,291 --> 00:55:54,811
I moved a lot as a kid.

666
00:55:55,431 --> 00:55:58,291
But she found, okay, we're going to live in this town because our schools are better.

667
00:55:58,331 --> 00:56:00,671
And we're going to go in this neighborhood because those schools are even better.

668
00:56:00,671 --> 00:56:06,411
and I'm going to meet your teacher and I'm going to be on the PTA and I'm going to be involved and

669
00:56:06,411 --> 00:56:09,351
I'm going to know what they're teaching you and we're going to talk about what they're teaching

670
00:56:09,351 --> 00:56:16,391
you and I'm going to ask you questions. I'm going to be involved and that's how she was and so if

671
00:56:16,391 --> 00:56:22,771
you have to send your child to school whether private or public for whatever reason then that's

672
00:56:22,771 --> 00:56:27,371
what you need to be. You need to be involved. You need to have first name basis with that teacher

673
00:56:27,371 --> 00:56:31,491
and you need to ensure that they're not teaching something.

674
00:56:31,611 --> 00:56:35,091
And if they are teaching something that goes against your values,

675
00:56:35,331 --> 00:56:39,391
then it is within your right to figure out a way to counteract that.

676
00:56:39,811 --> 00:56:42,331
Now, in the U.S., in some places,

677
00:56:42,931 --> 00:56:48,271
I had a friend of ours whose son was in a social studies class

678
00:56:48,271 --> 00:56:50,471
and they were teaching him things that she did not want him to know.

679
00:56:50,471 --> 00:56:54,171
So they pulled him out for that hour and he went to the library

680
00:56:54,171 --> 00:56:56,851
and I taught him social studies.

681
00:56:57,371 --> 00:57:02,791
so you could have like a one, you know, homeschooling by subject,

682
00:57:02,991 --> 00:57:05,871
and that's in the U S and every, you know, everything is,

683
00:57:05,991 --> 00:57:09,891
every place is different, but if you can't do that, then you learn,

684
00:57:09,991 --> 00:57:13,231
you figure out what they're learning and you deprogram them is what I say,

685
00:57:13,331 --> 00:57:14,811
you know, cause they're being programmed.

686
00:57:14,911 --> 00:57:19,491
It is indoctrination in a lot of cases because they are teaching advanced

687
00:57:19,491 --> 00:57:22,951
concepts to really little kids. I mean,

688
00:57:23,111 --> 00:57:26,191
even recycling is too advanced for a kindergarten and first grader.

689
00:57:26,191 --> 00:57:32,571
they're not going to understand that it's an abstract concept and they just you know they

690
00:57:32,571 --> 00:57:37,131
they're teaching these kids and they go home and they shame their parents it's awful it's not

691
00:57:37,131 --> 00:57:43,331
education education is to allow the mind to flourish and grow and be curious and that's

692
00:57:43,331 --> 00:57:48,251
being knocked out so whatever you have to do and I addressed the different types of schooling

693
00:57:48,251 --> 00:57:54,491
you're still going to own school you're going to own your child's schooling no matter what so that's

694
00:57:54,491 --> 00:57:59,511
why I came up with that term of own schooling is that you have to own the schooling of your family

695
00:57:59,511 --> 00:58:05,511
if you don't then you're just outsourcing their minds and I'm just going to be mean and say shame

696
00:58:05,511 --> 00:58:13,891
on you it's not okay so if you send them to school okay I get it and I was a staunch only homeschool

697
00:58:13,891 --> 00:58:18,991
for a long time and then living here I encountered a lot of expats and I would have you know families

698
00:58:18,991 --> 00:58:23,571
from Germany come over we're going to spend a month here but I go back to Germany my kid has

699
00:58:23,571 --> 00:58:28,691
to go to school, what do I do? I cannot homeschool, they'll take them away from me. So I started really

700
00:58:28,691 --> 00:58:33,291
thinking, and that's kind of what this book came out of as my experience here, and my years of

701
00:58:33,291 --> 00:58:38,511
working with homeschool families and being a teacher, and finding a balance and try to find a

702
00:58:38,511 --> 00:58:47,191
positive way to encourage families to do what they can, to keep their kids curious, to make sure that

703
00:58:47,191 --> 00:58:51,891
their values aren't being destroyed, to make sure they're not being indoctrinated. All of these things

704
00:58:51,891 --> 00:58:58,031
that I see in education, that's globally, not just in the US. One of the biggest realizations

705
00:58:58,031 --> 00:59:08,711
we've had since moving back to the UK, Lauren and her brother are twins. And they went to

706
00:59:08,711 --> 00:59:13,931
our nearest democratic school for the last year, which unfortunately had to close down,

707
00:59:14,011 --> 00:59:20,911
they lost the property they were in. But that attracted like 60, 65 families. There's a hunger

708
00:59:20,911 --> 00:59:25,651
for this stuff like you know and none of these other families were bitcoiners by the way you know

709
00:59:25,651 --> 00:59:31,691
they're just other freedom loving families or they just see the fact that you know that that system

710
00:59:31,691 --> 00:59:38,891
is just so crippling for their child and uh now they're doing a course nearby at the local college

711
00:59:38,891 --> 00:59:45,511
and it's a mixed gcse with like a land-based management course so that they do a lot of

712
00:59:45,511 --> 00:59:51,551
outside stuff and but still like we sit around the dinner table every night and discuss what's

713
00:59:51,551 --> 00:59:56,351
been said today in class uh whether that's from one of their peers or whether that's from one of

714
00:59:56,351 --> 01:00:01,751
their teachers uh or whether that's like uh some kind of new mandate that's coming in or whatever

715
01:00:01,751 --> 01:00:07,431
and um we always have these discussions and that's the point where you have to

716
01:00:07,431 --> 01:00:14,651
step in with the de-schooling de-programmed de-indoctrination if you see it you know

717
01:00:14,651 --> 01:00:22,771
I don't just throw a brick wall up against absolutely everything they come home and tell us, but like the important stuff is like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hang on.

718
01:00:22,951 --> 01:00:24,831
And how did that make you feel?

719
01:00:24,891 --> 01:00:26,151
What do you think about that?

720
01:00:26,191 --> 01:00:27,191
So you check that first.

721
01:00:27,791 --> 01:00:28,011
Right.

722
01:00:28,311 --> 01:00:28,631
Okay.

723
01:00:28,831 --> 01:00:29,071
Yeah.

724
01:00:29,611 --> 01:00:30,871
I've done my job, right?

725
01:00:31,131 --> 01:00:31,411
Yeah.

726
01:00:32,251 --> 01:00:33,150
Feel that way.

727
01:00:33,531 --> 01:00:41,391
But the biggest feedback they've given us, since they've made a few new friends, they might go over to their new friend's house and have dinner.

728
01:00:41,391 --> 01:00:45,251
They're like, wow, like they don't even have dinner with their parents.

729
01:00:45,571 --> 01:00:54,611
Like the food gets put on the table and then we just ran down from our bedroom, grabbed the food and then took it back upstairs and ate it in front of like a YouTube video.

730
01:00:54,731 --> 01:00:58,171
I'm like, what? Really? It's wild.

731
01:00:58,971 --> 01:01:04,051
It is. And families. Yeah. That's why, you know, and I'm old fashioned, I guess.

732
01:01:04,051 --> 01:01:11,311
I mean, I grew up in the 1970s. And so but we had we had we ate around the dinner table.

733
01:01:11,391 --> 01:01:20,271
and we had to ask to be excused and we weren't excused until the conversation you know it ended

734
01:01:20,271 --> 01:01:27,091
and um i i love to see a return to that i love that you're doing that with your family and you're

735
01:01:27,091 --> 01:01:31,631
talking about your day and everybody can share you know and you can even make it interesting and say

736
01:01:31,631 --> 01:01:36,691
okay everybody what's your win for the day what was your challenge and then you know conversation

737
01:01:36,691 --> 01:01:42,951
starters or you you know you write out on some index cards everybody writes down you know five

738
01:01:42,951 --> 01:01:47,391
conversation starters for the month or however many you would need and then you pull one out

739
01:01:47,391 --> 01:01:51,891
and then it starts if you know everybody's kind of like i don't want to talk a big thing this is

740
01:01:51,891 --> 01:02:00,171
devices right and moderating devices um i've talked i i talked to families i'm like okay

741
01:02:00,171 --> 01:02:04,911
you you set a time in the evening and everybody puts their device in the basket

742
01:02:04,911 --> 01:02:11,091
even the family the parents you don't take them to the bedroom and i mean it's just my husband and i

743
01:02:11,091 --> 01:02:17,271
and our rule is no phone in the bedroom and if one of us comes in with it we will call each other out

744
01:02:17,271 --> 01:02:23,891
which very rarely happens usually it's me i'm like no phone and i'm not nice about it

745
01:02:23,891 --> 01:02:34,937
i call the uh i call the kitchen an npz uh a no phone zone so when they and I like yeah And you teach and you also teaching them how to be you know

746
01:02:35,017 --> 01:02:36,457
habit formation boundaries.

747
01:02:36,617 --> 01:02:40,037
This is all executive functioning by just setting some boundaries with

748
01:02:40,037 --> 01:02:43,877
devices, not letting your kids go upstairs and eat dinner up there.

749
01:02:44,017 --> 01:02:44,357
No.

750
01:02:45,357 --> 01:02:46,537
Because what are they watching?

751
01:02:46,537 --> 01:02:49,697
And I'm not saying you have to be, you know, not trust your children,

752
01:02:49,697 --> 01:02:53,517
but there's a lot of really awful things out there.

753
01:02:53,517 --> 01:03:00,977
And I'm not even talking about anything that's sexualized, but just information that is available.

754
01:03:01,497 --> 01:03:09,317
And wrong, you know, things that you don't want them to know or to learn or to think is the right way to be or to live.

755
01:03:10,417 --> 01:03:16,717
And in the U.S., you know, there's been a lot of debate of whether parents have the right to teach their children.

756
01:03:16,817 --> 01:03:18,297
I'm like, are you kidding me right now?

757
01:03:18,297 --> 01:03:24,617
I mean you know there have been brawls at school board meetings literally going to fisticuffs right

758
01:03:24,617 --> 01:03:30,777
and who are these people and they're educators and it's abhorrent but you know I got my doctorate

759
01:03:30,777 --> 01:03:36,177
in education I know what they're doing in these teachers colleges I know those programs I went

760
01:03:36,177 --> 01:03:45,877
through it and it is awful everything is Marxism everything is you know anti-family anti you know

761
01:03:45,877 --> 01:03:51,397
we we know everything i'm like i didn't learn anything about teaching all i learned was um that

762
01:03:51,397 --> 01:03:56,877
it's all about skin color and gender and spreading marxism i was forced to use critical race theory

763
01:03:56,877 --> 01:04:02,877
for my doctorate dissertation and so i did intellectual diversity use critical race

764
01:04:02,877 --> 01:04:06,397
theory as my theory and pretty much gave them the middle finger to get my degree

765
01:04:06,397 --> 01:04:13,877
because there is no intellectual diversity this is right okay this is a great point to hammer home

766
01:04:13,877 --> 01:04:20,717
because again, people think it's hyperbolic to say that the education system is an indoctrination

767
01:04:20,717 --> 01:04:25,597
system. And just like, they look at you, yeah, okay, yeah, whatever, nice one. You're like,

768
01:04:25,657 --> 01:04:33,117
right, okay. I've seen it as a parent, because I've taken, the kids have done Montessori,

769
01:04:33,237 --> 01:04:39,737
homeschool, unschool, world school, private school, public school, state school, whatever,

770
01:04:39,737 --> 01:04:45,657
right the gambit and i've read the things you know i've i've read john taylor ghetto i've read

771
01:04:45,657 --> 01:04:50,957
john holt uh i've read uh all of pat farenga's work i've interviewed these people peter gray

772
01:04:50,957 --> 01:04:58,377
naomi fisher the people that have done the work before me uh and when you read um the underground

773
01:04:58,377 --> 01:05:04,797
history of the education system by john taylor ghetto i mean that's that's the one that's when

774
01:05:04,797 --> 01:05:10,477
it all clicks it yeah i i mean definitely it should be you know when you are at the hospital

775
01:05:10,477 --> 01:05:14,937
and you're you know delivering they should give you a copy of that book right yes

776
01:05:14,937 --> 01:05:27,917
it basically and he was an educator for 30 years and you know uh and then john realized what he'd

777
01:05:27,917 --> 01:05:33,877
been a part of and he dedicated the rest of his life uh he never said no to a speaking engagement

778
01:05:33,877 --> 01:05:42,437
because he wanted to get out the truth of what this machine had been created to do.

779
01:05:43,237 --> 01:05:45,657
It's true. I mean, I walked away from the system.

780
01:05:45,737 --> 01:05:49,357
I was teaching college in California at a community college, so a state school.

781
01:05:49,357 --> 01:05:55,277
I walked away from six figures and a cushy retirement in 2017.

782
01:05:56,297 --> 01:06:02,857
And, you know, it's been a struggle financially since then, but I have no regrets whatsoever.

783
01:06:02,857 --> 01:06:08,937
I am like, I can't sell my soul for this. I am not built that way. And I've been trying to fight

784
01:06:08,937 --> 01:06:14,057
encouraging families to homeschool, consulting free of charge, anybody who wants some help on,

785
01:06:14,157 --> 01:06:20,017
you know, where to find curriculum, what the laws are in their area. I just offer my time to help

786
01:06:20,017 --> 01:06:26,177
people make that transition or to have those conversations to encourage them because it's

787
01:06:26,177 --> 01:06:31,317
the best way to educate. And if you can't, okay, then this is Montessori, this is Waldorf,

788
01:06:31,317 --> 01:06:35,817
If this is you, if you do public school, then set your family up this way.

789
01:06:36,197 --> 01:06:37,817
Set those boundaries with devices.

790
01:06:38,457 --> 01:06:45,817
Don't give your kid a phone until, you know, don't just put them in front of the iPad when they're three years old because you can't.

791
01:06:46,997 --> 01:06:47,657
What did they do?

792
01:06:47,737 --> 01:06:55,897
Like my family, my mom, we didn't, we weren't, we had one hour of TV a day growing up after school.

793
01:06:55,997 --> 01:06:59,117
And then again, in the evening, like after dinner, we could watch like a show.

794
01:06:59,117 --> 01:07:06,697
but we we were outside playing um so there's just so many things you can do

795
01:07:06,697 --> 01:07:14,677
that what's um better than devices i think the darkest part here is the um you know the teachers

796
01:07:14,677 --> 01:07:22,237
uh they don't realize what they've been for want of a better word programmed to do

797
01:07:22,237 --> 01:07:28,037
it's true and it's the colleges right it's what's being taught at colleges

798
01:07:28,037 --> 01:07:33,977
and I encourage families I have a whole chapter of here about the college problem and own schooling

799
01:07:33,977 --> 01:07:40,277
what to do and if your kid wants to be a doctor or a lawyer or something that requires licensure

800
01:07:40,277 --> 01:07:49,737
then of course they have to go to college but you need to help them navigate that so they don't get

801
01:07:49,737 --> 01:07:56,697
pulled in and they don't get indoctrinated honestly well the problem being the people that

802
01:07:56,697 --> 01:08:01,997
dish out the certificates to become a lawyer or a doctor are the same people that own the drugs

803
01:08:01,997 --> 01:08:08,057
that they push and the justice that they give out. It's true, right? And so that's why I would

804
01:08:08,057 --> 01:08:14,537
actually encourage and show, pull up the stats that if you're a plumber, you're making over six

805
01:08:14,537 --> 01:08:24,717
figures in America. Go learn a trade. Go do Mike Rowe's works program. Do something. Unless you

806
01:08:24,717 --> 01:08:29,757
have this really strong pool that you want to help people in, you know, in the medical field,

807
01:08:29,757 --> 01:08:36,237
or you want to, you know, try to put some sort of justice. I walked away. I mean, I got my

808
01:08:36,237 --> 01:08:40,997
doctorate in education because I thought I could fix it from within. And then I realized I was

809
01:08:40,997 --> 01:08:44,557
starting to get ostracized. I was on state level committees. I was doing all of these things.

810
01:08:44,877 --> 01:08:48,197
And I started opening my mouth and I started getting a little ostracized

811
01:08:48,197 --> 01:08:53,257
on my campus Senate in different places. Right. And so I just realized, you know what,

812
01:08:53,257 --> 01:09:01,237
it's not possible to fight with from within so i left and started working trying to reach as many

813
01:09:01,237 --> 01:09:06,597
families as i could you know whoever wants to listen that's why i wrote this book it's just

814
01:09:06,597 --> 01:09:14,137
trying to help families and show that you know freedom it really takes two things money and

815
01:09:14,137 --> 01:09:21,637
education for you to be free you be a free thinker and own your time and energy those two things in

816
01:09:21,637 --> 01:09:27,717
order to be free and so that's kind of why i have that whole thing about money in there too because

817
01:09:27,717 --> 01:09:31,537
i don't think you can decouple that if you want to live a truly sovereign life

818
01:09:31,537 --> 01:09:40,257
well but yeah the teachers are coming out of colleges um and they're it's it's all programming

819
01:09:40,257 --> 01:09:47,977
it's marxism right i i taught history and so many textbooks are marxist lens now

820
01:09:47,977 --> 01:09:50,797
I taught primary sources

821
01:09:50,797 --> 01:09:52,697
I created my own readers

822
01:09:52,697 --> 01:09:55,257
because I wasn't going to use any of the crap

823
01:09:55,257 --> 01:09:56,437
that they publish now

824
01:09:56,437 --> 01:09:58,797
I tell homeschool families

825
01:09:58,797 --> 01:10:00,897
if you want to teach some interesting history

826
01:10:00,897 --> 01:10:02,757
get anything published before

827
01:10:02,757 --> 01:10:04,797
1930

828
01:10:04,797 --> 01:10:05,437
20

829
01:10:05,437 --> 01:10:08,317
and go to a used bookstore

830
01:10:08,317 --> 01:10:09,657
and find some old history books

831
01:10:09,657 --> 01:10:12,097
yeah you won't have the 20th century

832
01:10:12,097 --> 01:10:12,897
but that's okay

833
01:10:12,897 --> 01:10:14,337
you can fill it in with primary sources

834
01:10:14,337 --> 01:10:15,817
newspaper clippings, what not

835
01:10:15,817 --> 01:10:23,877
it's interesting uh i had a conversation i think two or three months ago with uh my 18 year old

836
01:10:23,877 --> 01:10:32,537
who's studying some a-levels and one of those is uh sociology and uh she was sorry she was set an

837
01:10:32,537 --> 01:10:41,097
essay to write something through a marxist lens or something and i just like what what and um i said

838
01:10:41,097 --> 01:10:44,797
How often does this discussion come up in class?

839
01:10:45,017 --> 01:10:48,417
Because obviously you're studying communism and Marx.

840
01:10:48,637 --> 01:10:54,337
And have you ever pointed out, have you ever asked your teacher, actually, why don't you do this?

841
01:10:54,337 --> 01:10:57,677
Ask your teacher to pull up the 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto.

842
01:10:58,157 --> 01:11:08,957
And let's see how many of you guys can tick off in a class under the regime that you currently live in the United Kingdom to see if you live in a capitalist, so-called capitalist, or a communist country.

843
01:11:09,177 --> 01:11:09,797
What do you think?

844
01:11:09,797 --> 01:11:16,597
well we'd be capitalist obviously i'm like okay open your phone let's start at number one

845
01:11:16,597 --> 01:11:24,957
tick tick tick tick number five by the way is the central bank um number 10 is free education system

846
01:11:24,957 --> 01:11:32,937
and i think number three is uh gradually increasing income tax but all the other stuff

847
01:11:32,937 --> 01:11:36,277
You just didn't describe the entire West, at least.

848
01:11:36,997 --> 01:11:37,157
Right.

849
01:11:37,837 --> 01:11:40,057
The other seven points are all there.

850
01:11:40,257 --> 01:11:41,557
I'm like, okay, now what do you think?

851
01:11:41,677 --> 01:11:46,097
She's like, do you think you could point this out to your teacher or not?

852
01:11:46,997 --> 01:11:47,937
I don't know.

853
01:11:48,197 --> 01:11:51,037
So I need to catch up with her to see if she's done that.

854
01:11:51,257 --> 01:11:51,557
Yeah.

855
01:11:52,117 --> 01:11:53,317
This is what's being taught.

856
01:11:53,357 --> 01:11:53,697
It's true, though.

857
01:11:54,037 --> 01:11:54,657
It is.

858
01:11:55,697 --> 01:12:01,557
When I was at the college, there was the sociology club president.

859
01:12:02,937 --> 01:12:07,237
gave one of the sociology instructors for her birthday a cake.

860
01:12:07,717 --> 01:12:09,577
And they had, you know, you can put pictures on cakes.

861
01:12:09,697 --> 01:12:11,177
It was Karl Marx's face.

862
01:12:11,317 --> 01:12:12,297
And they all celebrated.

863
01:12:12,497 --> 01:12:14,837
And the teacher posted it on Facebook and was like,

864
01:12:14,917 --> 01:12:16,837
look at my students gave me for my birthday.

865
01:12:17,277 --> 01:12:19,457
And I was like, oh my gosh.

866
01:12:20,817 --> 01:12:21,917
But yeah.

867
01:12:22,437 --> 01:12:26,337
And I'm still flabbergasted, right?

868
01:12:26,857 --> 01:12:29,757
And this was in like 20, probably 15.

869
01:12:30,557 --> 01:12:32,217
So, I mean, this is not anything new.

870
01:12:32,217 --> 01:12:32,977
What's happening?

871
01:12:33,757 --> 01:12:38,537
I was at a conference and I was talking about the system and in what,

872
01:12:38,617 --> 01:12:42,157
like 20, probably 13 or 14, maybe even 15.

873
01:12:42,777 --> 01:12:45,197
And people were coming up after me, you know,

874
01:12:45,217 --> 01:12:48,217
and I was talking about the prevalence of Marxism and what was really bad.

875
01:12:48,457 --> 01:13:00,803
And people came up and I was like is it really No you just I like no I not exaggerating This is truly what is happening in colleges And it has been for quite some time And we could trace it back There this Brazilian theorist Paulo Freire

876
01:13:00,943 --> 01:13:02,003
I don't know if you've heard of him.

877
01:13:03,103 --> 01:13:04,203
Pedagogy of the Oppressed.

878
01:13:04,903 --> 01:13:11,023
And he wrote this book and it spread like wildfire amongst educators.

879
01:13:11,023 --> 01:13:15,203
And basically the thesis is that we need to teach students to be activists.

880
01:13:15,403 --> 01:13:19,463
And that is what our goal is, is to teach them to be activists.

881
01:13:19,463 --> 01:13:26,123
and he's a complete Marxist. So Paulo Freire, Pedagogy of the Oppressed. And that was in,

882
01:13:26,163 --> 01:13:31,383
you know, the 80s, 90s. And that I think started really opening up the floodgates. But I mean,

883
01:13:31,443 --> 01:13:34,923
when I was getting my doctorate, my original dissertation that I wanted to write

884
01:13:34,923 --> 01:13:40,743
was on the history of education and how like the philosophical

885
01:13:40,743 --> 01:13:49,883
transition from, at least in the States, and how education was in the Constitution.

886
01:13:49,883 --> 01:13:57,823
So I did a really deep dive and understanding Dewey, all those Europeans that came over

887
01:13:57,823 --> 01:14:05,023
to Columbia that started the first teachers colleges, and, you know, the great books

888
01:14:05,023 --> 01:14:08,023
programs and these, you know, kind of this tension back and forth.

889
01:14:08,283 --> 01:14:09,703
It was fascinating.

890
01:14:09,703 --> 01:14:15,363
And so really, I mean, Dewey, who is celebrated, I mean, that's like celebrating Marx in education.

891
01:14:15,903 --> 01:14:18,863
You know, he's the Marxist, Karl Marx of education.

892
01:14:19,563 --> 01:14:26,763
And even before him, you have Horace Mann, who's also celebrated, but he's the one that brought the Prussian system over, which then spread.

893
01:14:27,803 --> 01:14:32,323
You know, so it's a militaristic system that our kids are being taught in to begin with.

894
01:14:32,323 --> 01:14:42,463
I love the part in Taylor Ghetto's book where he talks about Horace Mann's visit to Prussia in the 1890s, something like that.

895
01:14:42,963 --> 01:14:43,423
And his wife.

896
01:14:43,423 --> 01:14:45,563
I think it was like 1840s, 50s.

897
01:14:45,783 --> 01:14:45,803
Yeah.

898
01:14:46,103 --> 01:14:46,283
Yeah.

899
01:14:46,383 --> 01:14:46,943
So it was early.

900
01:14:47,143 --> 01:14:47,283
Yeah.

901
01:14:47,283 --> 01:14:59,643
His wife wrote a letter back and he references the letter to say something along the lines of, we so happen to have landed on the shores of Prussia during the Easter holiday break.

902
01:14:59,723 --> 01:15:04,063
We've not seen one teacher, let alone set foot into a school.

903
01:15:04,583 --> 01:15:08,023
And then he goes back and does the whole dog and pony show.

904
01:15:08,243 --> 01:15:09,623
This is how we need to do it.

905
01:15:09,803 --> 01:15:11,323
The whole thing's a sham.

906
01:15:12,003 --> 01:15:12,603
It is.

907
01:15:13,003 --> 01:15:14,323
It's just unbelievable.

908
01:15:14,323 --> 01:15:24,543
And then the General Education Board, the founding of the General Education Board in 1902, funded by no less than John D. Rockefeller with a million dollars after a secret meeting.

909
01:15:25,203 --> 01:15:28,063
You know, it's the Jekyll Island playbook all over again.

910
01:15:29,003 --> 01:15:29,963
I know.

911
01:15:29,963 --> 01:15:57,143
It's so frustrating when, so when you try and explain to people that it is an indoctrination machine, it is there to, for the state to separate families as well, you know, and that you said earlier about how certain people in America have been talking about how the children belong to the state and parents shouldn't be in charge of education.

912
01:15:57,143 --> 01:16:03,463
I can't remember her name it was the lady in uh who's head of Harvard was saying this um towards

913
01:16:03,463 --> 01:16:08,243
the end of COVID right in the middle of COVID uh when homeschooling was going on the rise

914
01:16:08,243 --> 01:16:13,983
and um you know basically to try and get kids back into the schools and like you people can go and

915
01:16:13,983 --> 01:16:19,203
find that clip like you'll find it Harvard you know homeschooling is bad or whatever I'm sure

916
01:16:19,203 --> 01:16:24,343
it'll come up you can't believe the words that come out of these people's heads it's unbelievable

917
01:16:24,343 --> 01:16:33,403
it's I just I'm easily shocked still to this day and I just am speechless and my husband's like

918
01:16:33,403 --> 01:16:38,503
you should expect this I'm like I know I can't I'm still too I don't know Pollyanna is the only

919
01:16:38,503 --> 01:16:42,683
way I know how to explain it which that reference is starting to get harder to explain to people but

920
01:16:42,683 --> 01:16:50,383
I just you know I'm hopeful and positive and try to be optimistic and people still completely shock

921
01:16:50,383 --> 01:16:56,283
me every day it seems like because what they're like how can you think like how can you actually

922
01:16:56,283 --> 01:17:05,023
believe what you're saying in terms of you know wanting you know if you haven't studied history

923
01:17:05,023 --> 01:17:10,943
then shame on you but if you're a marxist shame on you go study that history how many millions of

924
01:17:10,943 --> 01:17:19,063
people have been killed because of this ideology it's insane doesn't it doesn't and then the

925
01:17:19,063 --> 01:17:22,323
the historians that are Marxists, that's the worst part.

926
01:17:22,443 --> 01:17:25,723
Like you're worse than anybody. You should know better.

927
01:17:27,363 --> 01:17:31,043
Wow. Right. Okay. Let's, let's start winding it up.

928
01:17:31,963 --> 01:17:32,483
Sorry.

929
01:17:32,943 --> 01:17:35,103
I'm really looking forward to, you know,

930
01:17:35,163 --> 01:17:38,143
following your story over the next couple of years. And like, you know,

931
01:17:38,163 --> 01:17:40,623
like you said, like Jeff Booth has said many times,

932
01:17:40,623 --> 01:17:42,723
you can't fix a system from within the system.

933
01:17:42,723 --> 01:17:47,003
So you are now out of that system. You are a parallel system,

934
01:17:47,003 --> 01:17:52,703
Bitcoin ethos as well. So this is exactly what we need. More projects like that. Well done to

935
01:17:52,703 --> 01:17:58,183
yourself. And I hope people that have listened to this will, and have resonated with what you have

936
01:17:58,183 --> 01:18:03,923
to say, will reach out and find you. Best place to do that, I assume is on X. I'll put your X

937
01:18:03,923 --> 01:18:08,703
handle up on there and just drop me any other links that you want people to come and find you

938
01:18:08,703 --> 01:18:14,523
if there's a website. Yeah, absolutely. I'm actually not going to be doing as much on X.

939
01:18:14,523 --> 01:18:18,383
I've been doing a lot of writing on Substack

940
01:18:18,383 --> 01:18:21,683
and I enjoy the longer form writing

941
01:18:21,683 --> 01:18:24,743
and so I'm trying to educate people that way

942
01:18:24,743 --> 01:18:26,383
I still will be on X

943
01:18:26,383 --> 01:18:28,923
and Money Wisdom Project has an X account

944
01:18:28,923 --> 01:18:31,383
but a lot of the long form writing that I do

945
01:18:31,383 --> 01:18:33,363
I'm pushing over to Substack

946
01:18:33,363 --> 01:18:35,503
just because I'm verbose

947
01:18:35,503 --> 01:18:37,663
and X isn't really great for that

948
01:18:37,663 --> 01:18:41,283
No, moneywisdomproject.com?

949
01:18:42,383 --> 01:18:43,963
Yeah, no, .org

950
01:18:43,963 --> 01:18:51,083
dot org right okay that will go and then money wisdom proj p-r-o-j on twitter got it uh and

951
01:18:51,083 --> 01:18:57,463
finally if you had one last orange pill left to give to somebody who would you give it to and why

952
01:18:57,463 --> 01:19:05,243
this is going to be a little controversial i would give it to trump because he doesn't

953
01:19:05,243 --> 01:19:11,043
really understand bitcoin he doesn't at all because he has a lot of influence and there

954
01:19:11,043 --> 01:19:14,563
a lot of Bitcoiners who think he's a Bitcoiner so I'd actually try to make him a Bitcoiner.

955
01:19:15,283 --> 01:19:20,843
No he just see he's accounting everything in fiat. He wants to play as much Bitcoin as he possibly

956
01:19:20,843 --> 01:19:25,723
can or any of the other things as much as he can and then just exchange it all back to fiat as soon

957
01:19:25,723 --> 01:19:31,903
as he gets that opportunity. But you know he's not here for what we're here for like there's...

958
01:19:31,903 --> 01:19:37,763
No so that's what I would do to actually make him try to understand but I mean I don't think

959
01:19:37,763 --> 01:19:44,583
he's a great human being so maybe i just wasted my orange pill well think about it you can always

960
01:19:44,583 --> 01:19:52,443
change it send me a voice note all right so thank you so much for coming on really appreciate it and

961
01:19:52,443 --> 01:19:57,363
all the very best with your with your new adventures uh over the next uh few years

962
01:19:57,363 --> 01:20:04,203
thank you so much daniel it's nice seeing you again take care well there you go guys thank you

963
01:20:04,203 --> 01:20:10,223
so much for listening thank you Deanna for coming back on the show thank you for everything that you

964
01:20:10,223 --> 01:20:19,503
are doing to further the education about Bitcoin about money to the young people of today

965
01:20:19,503 --> 01:20:28,603
well actually to everybody because let's face it if you if you pick up if you go over to Deanna's

966
01:20:28,603 --> 01:20:32,863
website or Amazon or wherever reach out to her she will help you out in any way shape or form

967
01:20:32,863 --> 01:20:39,083
that she can and you want to get those kids books go back to the beginning where Deanna and I are

968
01:20:39,083 --> 01:20:49,463
talking with Lauren and she's sharing how she learned through a conversation uh if I go back

969
01:20:49,463 --> 01:20:55,243
to when she was nine that there weren't that many bitcoin books around for to read to kids

970
01:20:55,243 --> 01:20:59,243
um there was a bitcoin money book by the bitcoin rabbi I'm pretty sure that was around

971
01:20:59,243 --> 01:21:08,583
and then obviously Scott from Shamory and his wife they started with their project they had

972
01:21:08,583 --> 01:21:13,963
the card game first and then they had the kids books goodnight bitcoin but that's for very very

973
01:21:13,963 --> 01:21:18,583
little ones obviously we got the books because I love supporting the people that are doing all this

974
01:21:18,583 --> 01:21:28,403
kind of stuff and we read them and if you gift those books to your nephews your nieces they're

975
01:21:28,403 --> 01:21:32,383
going to want to look at the pictures and then they're going to want the book read to them and

976
01:21:32,383 --> 01:21:37,463
the only people that are going to be able to read the book are their parents or their grandparents

977
01:21:37,463 --> 01:21:46,703
or their aunties and uncles and this is the perfect way to get this education rolling and uh it's it's

978
01:21:46,703 --> 01:21:52,403
done in such a great way as well the books are great please go and check them out and support

979
01:21:52,403 --> 01:21:56,503
your fellow Bitcoiner that is out there trying to further education.

980
01:21:57,263 --> 01:21:58,203
Quick announcement.

981
01:21:58,783 --> 01:22:02,823
Recently, John Dennehy, who is the founder of Me Prima Bitcoin,

982
01:22:03,083 --> 01:22:05,183
invited me to join the board there.

983
01:22:05,703 --> 01:22:06,683
I was very humbled.

984
01:22:07,183 --> 01:22:08,363
He had me at hello.

985
01:22:08,863 --> 01:22:11,383
Of course, I would love to join that board of advisors

986
01:22:11,383 --> 01:22:17,823
just to help them network deeper into the Bitcoin world,

987
01:22:17,983 --> 01:22:19,863
get them exposed to more conferences.

988
01:22:19,863 --> 01:22:27,843
go over to me prima bitcoin and order yourself a copy or a couple of copies and uh start

989
01:22:27,843 --> 01:22:36,823
passing those around your school do whatever it takes to try and get this education into school

990
01:22:36,823 --> 01:22:42,863
there's a there's a lady up in scotland claire chisholm she's started accepting bitcoin at the

991
01:22:42,863 --> 01:22:48,063
private school that she is currently head mistress at and she's devising a course with

992
01:22:48,063 --> 01:22:52,683
the safer thing it's about austrian economics and money hit the history of money and bitcoin

993
01:22:52,683 --> 01:22:59,243
so this is happening right and it's gonna it's grassroots always don't wait for top-down order

994
01:22:59,243 --> 01:23:05,543
it is grassroots movements and it's podcasts like this that open up your minds and your ideas and

995
01:23:05,543 --> 01:23:10,423
hopefully gives you some inspiration so like i said at the beginning reach out to deanna uh i'll

996
01:23:10,423 --> 01:23:19,863
I'll put the link in the X hashtag in the, not hashtag, account in the show notes and

997
01:23:19,889 --> 01:23:25,749
project as well, the Money Wisdom Project. Meanwhile, thank you everybody for listening.

998
01:23:26,369 --> 01:23:30,389
I hope you enjoyed that one. Take care and I'll catch you on the next show.