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Hello, everybody. My name is Daniel Prince, and I'm the host of the Once Bitten podcast.

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This is a podcast focused on Bitcoin. It's my mission to interview as many people as I can

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around the different aspects of Bitcoin and help people understand exactly what Bitcoin could mean

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for them and for their families and for their future. I hope you enjoy the show. Thank you so

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much for listening. Hello everybody and welcome to this episode of the Once Bitten podcast.

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Joining me today, Alexandra Navarro and Jeremy Almond from Paystand. Have you ever heard of

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Paystand? Likely you haven't, but you're about to and you're about to hear a great story of how

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the Bitcoin focused company was founded, why it was founded, Jeremy's backstory and their vision,

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not just for onboarding as many businesses as they possibly can onto Bitcoin without them even

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knowing, but also through their foundation, paystand.org, which is the most incredible

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foundation that you've probably not heard of either. They focus, really focus, laser-eyed focus

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on helping Bitcoin get into community circles and using it as a tool, as a medium of exchange,

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as a way to facilitate trade between people, to facilitate freedom,

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to facilitate all the things that we know Bitcoin is here to do.

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And this is the kind of great story that I want to try and help push

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because there's all of this noise around Bitcoin treasury companies at the moment,

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but here's a company using Bitcoin in a way that is so unique.

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And the thing is, it shouldn't be unique.

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It should be ubiquitous.

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This is the way that you should build companies.

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You should be able to stack Bitcoin onto your balance sheet to ensure that your company is going to be around for the next 20 to 30 years.

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And you can protect your employees and you can protect your goods, your services, your product.

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You can iterate on that.

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You can get better and better at what you're doing because you're escaping the fiat debasement.

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That is what this is all about.

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And this is what Paystand are trying to achieve.

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and with their fund, paystand.org,

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they're trying to get as much information and education

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into these economies as they possibly can.

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These groups of people all around the world,

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they are supporting so many great initiatives.

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Go check out the website.

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Favorite story from this particular episode is an indigenous tribe.

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Yeah, it blew me away. I love it.

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Before we get into this episode,

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please, please can you pay attention to some of the show supporters.

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And if you're listening to this ad free on Fountain because you've subscribed over there, I very much appreciate that.

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Value for value.

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I am really trying to help the Fountain guys push on to the next stage.

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If you're not listening on Fountain, you probably should be.

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In fact, you definitely should be because if not you, then who?

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Normies aren't going to go and listen to Fountain app.

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Only Bitcoiners are.

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This is where we've got to move from one system to another.

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Right, let's get into this one with Alexandra and Jeremy from Pace Down.

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All right, I think we're recording. It says we're recording.

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Yeah, this meeting is being recorded, so someone's recording.

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The red button's on.

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yeah exactly no it's it usually tells me this oh i think it's because the note-taking ai thing was

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anyway listen alexandra and jeremy welcome to the once bitten podcast thank you so much for

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for taking the time and for so much more which we'll get into but uh yeah it's great to have you

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on thank you daniel like being in your podcast is such an honor and being with your daughter

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is a double honor. Thank you. Daniel, it's always good to see each other kind of virtually. We've

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been in person, so this is kind of fun to be on the other side of the pond with both families.

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I think the first time we connected, you were asking me the questions. Is that right?

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That is true. That is true. So it feels only fair that the interrogation should go the other way.

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Exactly. Well, do you want to shill your podcast? Don't let that moment pass.

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No, no, no, no. We have like an anti-shilling rule on my side. So I'm just going to learn from the best.

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So always take notes from the best is what I've learned in business.

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So. All right, cool. Well, Lauren, over to you. You're the best in the business.

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First question. Thank you.

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What is pay sand? Or what does it do?

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Wait, I just thought we were talking about not shilling and we're going straight into shilling.

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Sorry, you like it. I like it. Go for it.

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Why do I have to do this?

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Yeah, so I guess Pace Dan for, you know, the Bitcoiners is kind of a quiet giant in the space.

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A little bit of context.

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We started the company really out of a genesis for me that was in 2009 during the financial crisis.

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And I was there at Occupy Wall Street when you saw sort of the corruption of banking.

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And I was part of an early crew that just wanted to see things better and different.

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And that's why I went down the Bitcoin rabbit hole.

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And a few years after that, what I found was there was this incredible ideology of Bitcoin and the incredible technology of Bitcoin, but the use case wasn't quite consistent or at scale.

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And so, you know, what we set up to do is kind of be the largest business use case of Bitcoin.

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And today we are the largest and fastest growing financial network for companies built on Bitcoin.

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So we use about a million businesses, operate on our platform to pay each other, send each other money and to ultimately make their company more efficient.

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So we create economic empowerment for them.

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And our belief is if you create economic empowerment for companies and the economy, you can also give back to the community.

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So Alex is involved in our foundation, which is PayStand.org.

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And that is a philanthropic effort.

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That's entire goal is to be able to help Bitcoin circular economies around the world grow so we can see the mission continue to spread.

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Yeah, excellent. So I've got a follow up question there, actually.

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And this has never dawned on me, but I'm not even sure Kaylin would know.

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And she's almost 20. So Occupy Wall Street, did you hear him say that?

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Yes. Do you know what that is?

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no ah okay so for the millennials well gen z that the tune into the big part the ones bitten

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podcast how would you explain to somebody that doesn't know what that was that that moment in

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time yeah so um it was this unique moment in time where i think people realized a how important banks

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are or money is to society and b when it goes really wrong how bad that is for society so in

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2008, a number of the largest banks in the U.S., but then really the world, they basically fell

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apart. And they fell apart for, let's call it a bit of a Ponzi scheme. The banks were over levered

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in these commercial loans that they were doing. And the net result was the biggest banks in the

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U.S. either failed or nearly failed, and the government had to come and bail them out. Now,

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what was the problem with that? That's really nice because the top rich people, the top 1%

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in Wall Street, they all got bailed out by taxpayers. And then, and this is part of my

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personal story, millions of people around the world, especially Americans, they were on the

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receiving end and they didn't get bailed out. Because if, say, the bank held a loan for your

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house and that bank failed, the bank actually repossessed your house. So in my case, my family,

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there was sort of a tragedy in the family and my father had passed away and they held a very small

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loan and they were kind of paycheck to paycheck. My parents were very meager growing up. They didn't

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go to high school or college. And their story was one of many people's stories, which is you grew

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your wealth in the American dream by buying a house. And so they did that. But unfortunately,

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they were on sort of the receiving end of this sort of calamity and they lost their house. So the

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bank, took the loan, kicked them out of their house after 20 years of paying the mortgage.

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kind of rich or wealthy people and the big corporations, but they left the rest of the

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people out on the streets. And so the kind of saying then was they bailed out Wall Street,

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but they did not bail out Main Street. And so Main Street revolted. And that revolt was what

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was called Occupy Wall Street So this was a you know kind of a historic moment So thousands and thousands of people in each city major city in the US and around the globe started protesting basically down with the banks So the kind of genesis of the mentality

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of Bitcoin really started there. So I was in New York and people were throwing rocks at the banks

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and rightly so, they were pretty upset. And the outcome of that was this idea that money is the

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root of our economic system. And if it lets us down or it's corrupt, that's totally unfair to

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people. And people started waking up. And this was right around the time that Bitcoin was created.

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And so you actually can look at the Genesis block. And there's a sort of subtle nod to it

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in the original inscription, because it was this notion that you needed money that is free

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and fair to have a thriving economy. So imagine. I don't know. Sorry,

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That was, that might've been like too philosophical.

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I'll show you some pictures afterwards

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that the younger generation know that that went down.

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And thanks for bringing that up and mentioning that.

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I've actually had other people on the podcast talk about it,

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but never mentioned it to Lauren.

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And I know Eric Kaysen, I think he was in Occupy,

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John Dennehy, who's out in El Salvador now with Mi Prima,

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another good another another guy that was down there protesting uh all right so alexandra we

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we should uh move across to you um did you have a specific question for alexandra oh it's not the

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person well i thought you can ask oh oh yeah uh hold on let me get all the words in order

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how is caitlin doing how is she doing full job oh my gosh this is such an inspirational question

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So Caitlin is doing great, bringing someone that is young to a group of interns that are younger.

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We have around 17 kids here.

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I mean, when I said kids are young college students that they don't know anything about Bitcoin, but they want to do great projects.

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so Caitlin came being that person in that group that knows about bitcoin that is ready to do the

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uh program to digital nest and I asked her she's been preparing everything the material what she's

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gonna do and one day I told Caitlin I need to go to this event over the hill and I do you want to

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join me she's like yes of course she's always smiling always great and I take care I'm totally

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informal when I open the uh the door of the event is 2,000 people 2,000 women that I'm going to be

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one of the emcees and I look at Caitlin I'm like what is this everybody is in galas and she hold

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my hand and she said I am not even a guest and I said just take Jeremy Almond's thing she's like

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okay I love it I'm gonna be Jeremy Almond I love this she interacted with everybody she

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shared me up thanks to uh her being with me I was able to feel secure to do my job and to

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find more people um that was kind of like a great moment and I have moment to see how the young

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generation is so self-confident so curious open to be themselves and I love that from her

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and the next week she's ready to go to do her first a program course at digital nest and i ask

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her are you ready and she's like oh i got it of course i got it and i'm like i'm gonna bring you

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there i'm gonna drive you there i'm gonna introduce you to everybody i want to make sure that you

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are fine and she's like i'm gonna take an over i'm totally fine so i said i insist and she's like

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okay Alex you are nice so we go there I introduce her to everybody everybody already know here

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everybody was expecting here and so far I hear that everything that she's been deploying there

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about Bitcoin that they were kind of like acceptable is being into a very success moment

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today we're gonna have more than 20 young people coming to our offices to have their certification

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their graduations about knowing what is bitcoin what is inflation inflation when money matters

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and everything was delivered by a young girl that is not even 20 who is an inspiration for me for

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the company and now for other people this is what can i tell you that caitlin is doing here

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amazing amazing can i can i brag about like caitlin's actually one of the cool things that

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she's just successfully done. So a little bit like rewind to my backstory. So my family kind of grew

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up. My mom came from her side of the family came from Mexico right before I was born. So she was an

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immigrant refugee. And then my dad was like a blue collar construction worker. So he never went to

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high school or college. He like swung a hammer. And so we grew up in a rough neighborhood, let's

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call it. And so like I personally got involved in tech because I got part of a sort of special

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program that gave me access to education. And then that access to education gave me access to

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technology and then kind of was my ticket out, so to speak. And so there's a really cool program

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that Caitlin's involved with that she's the liaison for called Digital Nest. And Digital Nest

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is like the program that helps kids that were like me.

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So they go into areas all over the U.S.

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and help kids that are generally like migrant,

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children of migrants who are first generation in the U.S.

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that are sort of the American dream,

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but they don't have access.

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that are your guys' age access to a computer,

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access to some technology training,

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and maybe a head start so they could go to college.

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So it's a little bit of me over again.

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So my heart is just, I love this program.

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But paystand.org, our entire goal is to drive financial inclusion through Bitcoin.

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And we've done so much work all over the world on helping communities like that use more Bitcoin.

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And an annoying thing to me a little bit is in America, that's not happening as much.

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It's happening in El Salvador. It's happening, you know, in Guatemala.

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It's happening in places in Africa. But I want it to happen in our backyard, too.

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And so we've been kind of slowly pushing to like, this is a great community that actually really should use the tools of, you know, the sort of powerful catalyst for financial change.

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and then the thing that is the economic empowerment for them to grow,

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it put together and it's really Caitlin who's the one that's connected the dots.

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So to me, that's really, really special that she's doing that.

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Yesterday, I have a call from United Way.

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You guys probably know about them.

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can we deliver this to other countries through us?

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and I was like absolutely let's do this so uh it's just to finish that it's great to see that

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is the young people who is doing the work and they believe easier and they are as I mentioned before

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very curious and open and having here as an inspiration not only for the nest but for our

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interns uh is really what we need we need more caitlin's right more young people that is moving

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this forward so very proud of having her here well thank you and just for context uh caitlin

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caitlin is lauren's big sister do we need more caitlins well right okay so that's just the

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point of view but uh yeah and and you know huge thank you to to you both for offering her this

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opportunity i can't remember where the the brainchild for all of this came from alexandra i

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think it was uh it was you that uh that reached out and um we talked about internships after

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seeing you in in oslo and and seeing you in madeira uh we saw the pair of you in oslo jeremy i don't

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think we met in madeira were you there i was busy surfing buddy but yes i was there

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but it was great to see in oslo at the uh the freedom forum even then it was just too short

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but uh when when alexandra told me about uh the projects that you were you were backing in uh in

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Madeira, the first thing I said, well, you know, I can hook you up with people across this side of

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the pond in Europe, because, you know, the economies, the growing Bitcoin economies,

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circular economies, they're tough to find sometimes. And I just tried to sit down and

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think of different people I could put your way. And I think I put you in touch with a few football

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projects. I know you're a big football fan, Alexandra,

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although the Lionesses are the champions of the world.

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So, yeah, well, thank you. Thank you for coming up with the idea and,

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you know, it's having her to spend this two months in her summer intern.

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I can't imagine the experience she's going to take back to her second year at

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university is going to be very interesting to see and the memories all the memories she's making

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yeah that's going to be because already in her so she's studying what is it political science and

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international relations and her first essay did she tell you this guys the title of her first essay

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you should ask her about this the title of her first essay that she was assigned

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week one at university was how is money created in the uk banking system

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what i didn't know that i mean and i you are inspiring me to tell you about uh micaela my

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daughter is 14 years old and her first essay at the school she said i wanted to write about

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uh why bitcoin do you remember the title of the essay yeah why bitcoin is the only crypto that

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matters uh basically everything else is a coin was kind of her essay and she was trying to she

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write it down and she showed it to us and i read it and i'm like this is really cool that was chat

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gpt and she's like no it was me and i'm like really and she mentioned in her reading a thing

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about what trump is doing what policy maker what is part of the constitution what is part of the

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the values, economic empowerment, what she learns in Madeira.

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And the teacher goes and is totally against that paper, right?

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Like again, destroyed her.

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Like, what are you doing?

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And she comes and is like well this is what I think And I want to sustain that And we were all super proud of her with that paper and i sent it to a woman in bitcoin in um las vegas and they said oh this

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is really cool and i'm like i'm very proud that more young women are able and she's just 14 years

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old right and she goes and uh they said can we have her as a speaker and i come back to her and

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she's like mommy I don't know if I'm going to be able to speak this is the first time that I'm

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speaking I'm like no you have to be proud we need more girls more women more young people that are

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able to go speak what they believe in so she went speak and many many many people came to me

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uh saying like thank you you guys are inspiring us to take this into middle schools you guys are

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inspiring us to take this into more young people so going back to to the story of her first paper

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there are many first papers that need to be sang right and it's with their voices with your voice

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like don't stop talking about what you believe right yeah yes totally so can you give us a little

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insight into some of the projects that you guys have found and helped in any way that you can.

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Obviously, funding is one big help, but there's more than one way to help a project. Any particular

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favorites? Firstly, how many projects? Do you even have that metric off the top of your head?

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Yeah, we have around 24 NGOs that we are supporting. I would like to talk about

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one of my favorite one that is

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Woman in Bitcoin and I would like

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Jeremy for you to talk about

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the indigence because the

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inspiration of that one down in Colombia

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is really cool and

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very quickly about Woman

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in Bitcoin that is How I Met You

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Daniel right it was through

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Claire I saw Claire

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in that branch

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she is so genuine and

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so authentic

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that really inspired me to talk to her.

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That was two years ago.

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And I was kind of like just starting to learn

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about why Bitcoin is not a cryptocurrency.

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Like learning, really.

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I was learning through the company, through Jeremy,

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but never with a group of women, right?

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And we are there and I talk to her

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and I talk to Christina

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and I talk to a couple of, to Rachel.

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And then I get together with Rachel

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and she mentions that she has her woman in bitcoin initiative and i ask her can i be part of that

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and slowly we become getting more woman together uh before any bitcoin conference to talk about

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what we believe it doesn't need to be the technical aspect the political aspect only or whatever is

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whatever we feel comfortable to talk about that and so far right now with the support of Claire

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Christina Rachel many other women of course in many countries we have so far supported around

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12 women in brunch events that sit together to talk to empower women to become more leaders

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and don't be afraid about using it, saving money, or just asking questions about that.

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This is one of my favorite programs so far and it's been successful.

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And every time that the Confederation of Women, we met together to say what is next

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and what is next is in El Salvador.

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We are all very excited to see how we bring different cultures together, right?

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Like Claire is in UK, Rachel is in Germany, I'm here.

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The other one is in Africa.

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And how can we all get together to uplift and empower more the economical empowerment

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and the financial inclusion that we are all looking forward.

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So that's one of my favorite ones.

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Yeah, that's amazing.

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And for your feedback in Prague this year, which is the brunch, I think,

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I believe that you helped fund for some coffees and pastries

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and to help secure the event and whatever else.

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75 women showed up.

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And that was during like the industry day of BTC Prague.

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the last year was organized by Rachel Gaia with Lake Femme Zorange.

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and um we met um Isabella in at breakfast Isabella Santos we saw her at breakfast and we're like

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Isabella are you going along to the ladies brunch thing today she's like what I didn't know there was

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one so oh yeah you have to go they've got like one of the the best spots in uh in Prague one of the

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best restaurants um secured so she went along and then I saw her four or five hours later at the

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event and she came up and she said she was at the event crying because the ladies on the stage

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were talking about motherhood and how you know bitcoin you know just perfectly connects with

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with motherhood and uh you know freeing uh the the wife to be a one a wife and to a mother if

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you've got financial freedom and the backing of Bitcoin, you can concentrate on being a family.

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You don't need both parents. It's not having the baby and giving it up a six-month-day of age to

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a carer so both parents can go back out just to survive in this inflationary fiat nightmare.

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And that's the kind of, so even as a hardcore Bitcoin, that touched her. So it's not like,

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yeah you're right they're going and just talking about bitcoin like geeky men do

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they talk about all the things which uh which is amazing uh so yeah jeremy what's um what's one of

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the projects then uh it was a columbia one is that the one you wanted to to talk about well i think

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there's a couple things that came like came to mind just now like um you know the the overused

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but like remains appropriate statement fix the money fix the world it's not just fix the money

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it it's what does the outcome become and it's a better world is why we believe in it so much and

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you know so i think you see that and what you guys are describing which is more holistic life

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and you know i think i don't know a lot of bitcoiners go through this journey where they

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get excited about it they think you know they see that it's this opportunity for transformation in

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the world and then they want to tell everybody about it and then i don't know if this happened

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to you, Daniel, but like at some point when you start telling everybody about it and not everybody

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listens, it's a little bit discouraging. And I don't know, I remember like maybe a decade ago or

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so there was like a point where I was just like, like, why don't people get this? And at least for

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me in that process, what I've learned over time is one of the ways that really, I think, creates

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like the catalyst for people to really go down the rabbit hole is they need to see it and use it

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and touch it. And so you can have these philosophical arguments, but until somebody

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sees it and uses it and touches it, it's hard for people to really like absorb it. And so one of the

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things I've kind of done over time, and it's in a way why we support all these circular economies,

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is oftentimes like I'll just run into people and I'll be like, look how easy it is to set up a

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non-custodial wallet in like 10 seconds. And then let me just send you some tiny amount, right?

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And then it creates curiosity. And so so I so me and other people tend to do this. And so anyways, we were sitting at this event that was not a Bitcoin event. It was kind of like a event for really social inclusion. And there was a bunch of like philanthropists there, kind of, you know, movie stars or whatever.

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And they invited these in this indigenous community that was from South America, kind of like picture Amazonians to the event, because the event was sort of about healing the planet and making sure you were good stewards.

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And I was we were sitting at lunch, Alex and I, and we were with a bunch of people.

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and I just noticed that they were all sitting alone. And I was like, I'm super curious. I want

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to go talk to these people. So we just walk over and we kind of move from who we were with. And

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we're like, let's go hang out with these folks. And we start just conversing with them. And,

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and I was like, you know, like, what brings you here? And they said, well, you know, our community

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is completely up in the mountains, super far away from kind of like what you would consider

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as normal society. And we kind of have everything we want. You know, it's been there for thousands

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of years. And I was like, oh, wow, that's so cool. And I said, well, why are you here then,

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you know, in the middle of a city talking with all these kind of rich people or whatever?

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And they go, well, you know, like, we need to check in every once in a while. The first one is

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like, if, you know, you guys do something in some development project that blows up our community,

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like, that's not good. So that's why we're here. So the kind of head of the community, I'm like,

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that makes sense. And I'm like, well, what else goes on? He goes, well, the other thing is like,

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we have this problem with your money. And I said, oh, I know a little bit about that. Tell me more

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about that. And he goes, well, he goes, your entire society runs on money. And I'm like,

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yeah, also deeper than you think. And he goes, and that's a problem for us. And I go, okay,

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what do you mean? He goes, well, we're like this barter society. We've been that way for thousands

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of years. And everything is quite good until we actually have to go and interact with you guys.

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Because like, you know, we have great medicine that's natural and blah, blah, blah. But like,

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you know, something really, really disastrous happens. We do need to like, you know, send people

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eight hours down the mountains to the hospital. And to do that, you know, we need to sort out,

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you know, transportation and hospital fees. And, you know, like we have no way to interact with you

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guys. And, and so I said, well, what do you guys do? And they said, well, you know, like literally,

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you know, every couple of months, we'll send people down to the cities and sell crafts and

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that sort of thing. And they can, you know, take that weird paper that you guys have, and we put

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it under the mattress, almost like insurance, the chiefs literally like they hold it all

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until something's required for these villages. It's quite wild. And then he says, but you know,

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this is like not good. And you know, like, we don't like how your society all runs on money

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and all this stuff. And I was like, wow, that's pretty interesting. So I started talking to them

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about Bitcoin and like, you know, these terms like, hey, it's pure money. It's like the barter

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system, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It was originally a peer to peer like exchange. And

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and I could see it's like eyes kind of start glazing back and go, okay, this isn't working.

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Strike out again. Don't go there.

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I was like, hey, do you guys have a phone?

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And he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The government gave us phones because they put like cell towers like in our jungles or whatever because they like high up And I said oh cool So I said OK like let me try something So I onboard them with the self wallet and he goes here and i just give him some bitcoin and i don think anything

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00:35:14,376 --> 00:35:19,155
of it and it's like one of you know a bunch of interactions i do and i go about you know my day

415
00:35:19,155 --> 00:35:26,655
and we leave and like a year later they start texting alex and they're like this stuff is so

416
00:35:26,655 --> 00:35:31,815
cool like blah blah blah how do we get more blah blah blah blah we're starting to use it and we

417
00:35:31,815 --> 00:35:37,315
were like what like we just left them to go back to their villages in the middle of you know the

418
00:35:37,315 --> 00:35:44,535
jungle or whatever um and so so they asked us they're like hey can can we get like a little bit

419
00:35:44,535 --> 00:35:51,155
of a crash course and so uh we we brought them to an event that sort of snowballed so we sent them

420
00:35:51,155 --> 00:35:57,335
um uh to peru so this was in the kind of andes near columbia and we started getting indigenous

421
00:35:57,335 --> 00:36:01,356
villagers that hadn't seen like seen each other they had historical roots but hadn't seen each

422
00:36:01,356 --> 00:36:07,196
other than thousands of years. They start bartering back and forth. Then all of the chief villagers

423
00:36:07,196 --> 00:36:12,495
start using it. And the next thing you know, there's like dozens and dozens of villages.

424
00:36:12,735 --> 00:36:17,356
And I was like, these are very like off the radar places. So I was like, well, how many people is

425
00:36:17,356 --> 00:36:21,696
this? And they're like, oh yeah, like hundreds and hundreds per village. And I started doing the math

426
00:36:21,696 --> 00:36:26,775
and I'm like, wait, you have thousands and thousands of people using this completely offline

427
00:36:26,775 --> 00:36:30,655
in your villages, like, non-connected to society?

428
00:36:30,755 --> 00:36:32,856
They're like, yeah, yeah, you sent us pure money,

429
00:36:32,956 --> 00:36:34,115
so we just figured it was easier.

430
00:36:34,635 --> 00:36:35,916
And it's just gone crazy.

431
00:36:38,196 --> 00:36:39,876
Pure money.

432
00:36:40,235 --> 00:36:41,275
Is it worth it?

433
00:36:41,275 --> 00:36:44,595
When we were, because we kind of do an interview to us

434
00:36:44,595 --> 00:36:48,655
to see if we are really genuine and we're working our values.

435
00:36:48,916 --> 00:36:51,175
I'm not sure what's happened to Alex's sound.

436
00:36:51,515 --> 00:36:53,436
You can't really hear Alex at the moment.

437
00:36:54,356 --> 00:36:55,396
Yeah, almost nothing.

438
00:36:55,396 --> 00:37:02,615
now yeah that's better yeah yeah okay better all right so they kind of do an interview in their

439
00:37:02,615 --> 00:37:08,775
language to to us but to me and they want to know what are our values what are the values of bitcoin

440
00:37:08,775 --> 00:37:16,635
and they said this is pure value pure they use it three times and their mammoth who is kind of

441
00:37:16,635 --> 00:37:25,376
like the chief the high priest look at them and said yes this is approved and now like in a couple

442
00:37:25,376 --> 00:37:31,856
of weeks my first bitcoin who we support is going to trust la perla another foundation

443
00:37:31,856 --> 00:37:43,075
and paystand.org to introduce bitcoin to another 70 community leaders so this is how powerful it is

444
00:37:43,075 --> 00:37:48,115
so wow yeah i think i think a couple cool shout outs because like how does the communities kind

445
00:37:48,115 --> 00:37:52,696
of work together like this all builds like we're all part of a movement so it happened the first

446
00:37:52,696 --> 00:37:56,475
time this happened, we went out there and I was like, whoa, this is like intense. Like it might be

447
00:37:56,475 --> 00:37:59,735
written in a history book. I don't want to screw this up. You know, they haven't literally used

448
00:37:59,735 --> 00:38:05,876
money in thousands of years. So we brought our friends like Mike Peterson from Bitcoin Beach

449
00:38:05,876 --> 00:38:12,835
and Vale from Motive, who works with a lot of like indigenous communities. So, you know, a little

450
00:38:12,835 --> 00:38:18,416
bit to like really help with the community leaders, like how does this get done in practice?

451
00:38:18,416 --> 00:38:32,055
So, you know, I think that's really cool because we're all part of, you know, something very special. And then I think the other thing that's really cool is, you know, My First Bitcoin is going out there, which we love, John, we're quite involved with what they do.

452
00:38:32,055 --> 00:38:43,295
And I think, you know, they're a very, very good case study on just, you know, their open source education is a lot of times the front lines for a lot of this grassroots efforts.

453
00:38:44,075 --> 00:38:50,215
You know, and so oftentimes right after your first orange peeling moment, you know, you go, well, now I need to learn about what this thing is.

454
00:38:50,215 --> 00:38:55,495
It's crazy. Jeremy just, you know, put me up on a self-custody wallet and the thing's working like now what?

455
00:38:55,495 --> 00:39:04,675
And so I think my first Bitcoin is like, you know, an incredible kind of tool for change for a lot of these like communities trying to figure out now what, how do we educate more people?

456
00:39:04,675 --> 00:39:18,456
Basically, it's a lot of inspiration. They were the first ones doing a great job on education for young people that is spreading their voice. And now many other countries are taking that and getting to different levels.

457
00:39:18,456 --> 00:39:44,595
Last week, we were talking to another organization that is taking the program from My First Bitcoin and their own research into the vertical of how to get Bitcoin education into tourism, young people, which means that they are not only teaching Bitcoin, which is great, but the blockchain, the why, the mean, all the aspects that are very cool in Bitcoin.

458
00:39:44,595 --> 00:39:52,416
But how can you, while you are working on a restaurant or while you are working on a hotel, can really use it in that vertical?

459
00:39:53,115 --> 00:39:59,195
And they are, this is a very good project also that is right now down in Colombia and is going to Peru.

460
00:39:59,876 --> 00:40:08,695
Working also with Motive to keep working more on how to use Bitcoin in a great vertical that is an economical empowerment,

461
00:40:08,695 --> 00:40:12,755
not only for the society, but also for the country, that is the tourism.

462
00:40:12,755 --> 00:40:19,335
so that is uh another great program and you know i want to mention something we're gonna go for

463
00:40:19,335 --> 00:40:23,615
there's like gano's probably got other things on his mind there's like 40 projects yeah but this

464
00:40:23,615 --> 00:40:30,936
one is cool one more one more come on i love the jungle i like i like this like listen we are in a

465
00:40:30,936 --> 00:40:36,416
corporate world right so this is a technology company blockchain is blah blah blah blah all

466
00:40:36,416 --> 00:40:42,476
that jeremy just explained that i love but it's sometimes difficult to let our employees our staff

467
00:40:42,476 --> 00:40:44,215
to know what we do.

468
00:40:44,356 --> 00:40:46,035
I mean, I have to be honest, Jeremy, right?

469
00:40:46,135 --> 00:40:46,896
Like, come on.

470
00:40:47,615 --> 00:40:51,035
So we started through the foundation

471
00:40:51,035 --> 00:40:53,055
to take our own staff

472
00:40:53,055 --> 00:40:55,575
to be volunteers of the foundation

473
00:40:55,575 --> 00:40:57,535
in the grassroots projects.

474
00:40:58,155 --> 00:40:58,916
And this year,

475
00:40:59,456 --> 00:41:01,235
we are taking them to El Salvador

476
00:41:01,235 --> 00:41:02,755
and to Peru

477
00:41:02,755 --> 00:41:04,896
where they need to do stuff

478
00:41:04,896 --> 00:41:06,495
that is really cool, right?

479
00:41:06,495 --> 00:41:08,635
They need to work directly with the indigents.

480
00:41:08,795 --> 00:41:09,936
They need to work with the woman.

481
00:41:10,075 --> 00:41:12,295
They need to pick up the garbage.

482
00:41:12,295 --> 00:41:15,835
They need to help the training on Bitcoin.

483
00:41:16,456 --> 00:41:33,535
And that is the best way to have really their hearts into our mission and to seem farther than the daily job that sometimes can be tedious, sometimes can be inspirational, sometimes can be too challenging back into what we are really doing here.

484
00:41:33,535 --> 00:41:39,476
and I'm saying this because that was Jeremy's vision probably a year and a half ago like how

485
00:41:39,476 --> 00:41:44,775
can we get our employees to believe and I contact you Daniel and I ask you what are your thoughts on

486
00:41:44,775 --> 00:41:51,396
that and you told me Alex do this do that and nowadays I would say Jeremy that like our

487
00:41:51,396 --> 00:41:59,075
our staff really believe in what we are doing and they are all connected and this year we have to

488
00:41:59,075 --> 00:42:05,595
have a waiting list of people because we couldn't get everybody down to peru and to el salvador to

489
00:42:05,595 --> 00:42:11,095
experience that so this is also a very good program right right are you listening michael

490
00:42:11,095 --> 00:42:16,295
sayler because i guarantee you nobody at microstrategy is well not nobody but very few

491
00:42:16,295 --> 00:42:21,215
people you know very few of his staff would be even orange pill or even really truly understand

492
00:42:21,215 --> 00:42:26,335
what bitcoin is and they'll just be sitting there doing their day-to-day jobs smiling and dialing

493
00:42:26,335 --> 00:42:29,356
trying to get more customers in on their, you know,

494
00:42:29,396 --> 00:42:32,535
the commercial software platform sales. Yeah.

495
00:42:33,335 --> 00:42:36,535
If you're, if you're a Bitcoin company owner,

496
00:42:36,896 --> 00:42:38,835
and I'm not talking about Bitcoin treasury companies,

497
00:42:38,835 --> 00:42:43,215
that's a whole crock of shit. But if you are, if you're a company,

498
00:42:43,456 --> 00:42:47,275
if you're a company that is, you know,

499
00:42:47,275 --> 00:42:54,315
looking after your employees and truly taking your fiduciary duty very,

500
00:42:54,315 --> 00:43:00,956
very seriously and stacking Bitcoin with a little bit of profit that you might be taking each month

501
00:43:00,956 --> 00:43:07,956
it is up to you then to educate your staff and big shout out to Ashley Giles over here in the UK

502
00:43:07,956 --> 00:43:13,795
who runs a consultancy business he's done that with his stuff and he keeps a spreadsheet up of

503
00:43:13,795 --> 00:43:22,416
of the what their pension fund might be worth versus if they'd have stacked

504
00:43:22,416 --> 00:43:26,376
X amount of Bitcoin each month with a little bit of their salary.

505
00:43:26,575 --> 00:43:30,535
So there needs to be more of that initiative for sure.

506
00:43:31,275 --> 00:43:33,735
Lauren, sorry, we've just been blabbering.

507
00:43:33,795 --> 00:43:34,775
Did you have any more questions?

508
00:43:35,495 --> 00:43:37,396
Yeah, the jungle story is great.

509
00:43:37,575 --> 00:43:39,095
Me and Lauren want to come to the jungle

510
00:43:39,095 --> 00:43:43,095
and come and meet some of the chieftains and have a chat.

511
00:43:43,835 --> 00:43:46,976
And I was wondering actually, because there's a bunch of Bitcoiners,

512
00:43:47,535 --> 00:43:51,615
almost, I'd say half the Bitcoiners I meet,

513
00:43:51,615 --> 00:43:56,436
They always ask me in kind of like hushed tones, have you ever done any plant-based medicines?

514
00:43:57,335 --> 00:44:01,995
Well, no, I haven't, but I'm interested to hear your thoughts on it.

515
00:44:02,155 --> 00:44:16,615
So there's probably a business here in some of these Amazonian tribes where they can earn some stats by inviting Bitcoiners in for some shamanic kind of retreat experience.

516
00:44:17,495 --> 00:44:17,815
I promise.

517
00:44:18,356 --> 00:44:20,515
Yeah, they're going to be the next steps.

518
00:44:20,515 --> 00:44:32,995
Yeah, as a financially regulated entity, what I will say is what you do with your Bitcoin in your own time is your own choices, which is I'm a believer in self-sovereignty, but I'm also publicly on record.

519
00:44:34,675 --> 00:44:38,595
Absolutely. Right. OK, so are you guys.

520
00:44:39,595 --> 00:44:48,115
So I'm now thinking more practically for people listening to this that might be interested in, you know, hooking up with Paystand and getting their business set up.

521
00:44:48,115 --> 00:44:53,755
how does it work? Could you lead us through an example, like existing clients, you don't have

522
00:44:53,755 --> 00:44:58,095
to use names, obviously, but existing clients, how does Paystand work for them? And how could

523
00:44:58,095 --> 00:45:04,235
somebody interact with Paystand if they were listening? Yeah, so Paystand is kind of like

524
00:45:04,235 --> 00:45:10,995
the practical bridge to let's call it normie companies. So normal companies need to operate

525
00:45:10,995 --> 00:45:14,936
to be able to pay bills and get their revenue, right? Like it's kind of the lifeblood of their

526
00:45:14,936 --> 00:45:22,835
business. And so we have kind of the practical tools for the finance teams to use basically

527
00:45:22,835 --> 00:45:28,956
their ability to pay things. So imagine if you have a corporate card. So most Bitcoiners know

528
00:45:28,956 --> 00:45:35,835
like a Gemini card or a Coinbase card, which you might use yourself to be able to pay stuff and

529
00:45:35,835 --> 00:45:40,815
stack sets. In PayStan's case, we have the only corporate card that does that. So the corporate

530
00:45:40,815 --> 00:45:46,795
card is, hey, in PayStan's case, we have 400 and something employees. They all need to be able to

531
00:45:46,795 --> 00:45:51,916
travel, to go to events, to be able to work with partners, to pay marketing. And so we give them a

532
00:45:51,916 --> 00:45:56,775
card to be able to do that. And then the card, what's unique about the card is you can pay your

533
00:45:56,775 --> 00:46:02,896
bills, you can pay your expenses, and then you stack sats. So the loyalty points are in sats.

534
00:46:03,396 --> 00:46:07,655
And then the other thing is when you pay somebody on our network, instead of going through Visa or

535
00:46:07,655 --> 00:46:11,835
MasterCard where it's really expensive and it costs the business money. We consider that a tax.

536
00:46:12,376 --> 00:46:17,856
It goes through our network, which runs on chain on the Bitcoin network. And so that means that the

537
00:46:17,856 --> 00:46:23,175
money moves instead of in five days, it'll move at the speed of light. Instead of it being really

538
00:46:23,175 --> 00:46:28,575
manual, it's super automated because Bitcoin is programmable money. And then it moves without cost.

539
00:46:28,995 --> 00:46:35,155
And that cost issue is a big thing because if you're a company and, you know, if you're a company

540
00:46:35,155 --> 00:46:38,815
and let's say you're a, I don't know, a $10 million company,

541
00:46:38,815 --> 00:46:43,315
you might be paying half a million dollars in fees

542
00:46:43,315 --> 00:46:45,856
to Visa or MasterCard or the banks

543
00:46:45,856 --> 00:46:47,315
just to operate your business.

544
00:46:47,315 --> 00:46:48,995
And that's like a tax.

545
00:46:48,995 --> 00:46:52,396
Like, so we wanna be able to put that money back to the

546
00:46:52,447 --> 00:46:57,007
business so they can hire more people because we believe using Bitcoin is actually valuable.

547
00:46:57,247 --> 00:46:59,467
It's not just storing it, but actually using it.

548
00:46:59,587 --> 00:47:05,887
And so if the company can save money and not pay Visa and MasterCard or the banks, everyone

549
00:47:05,887 --> 00:47:07,327
wins except for those guys.

550
00:47:07,327 --> 00:47:08,187
And we're fine with that.

551
00:47:08,507 --> 00:47:10,227
And so the company becomes more successful.

552
00:47:12,887 --> 00:47:19,067
What kind of could you give us an example of like what kind of sectors are using are using

553
00:47:19,067 --> 00:47:19,587
PayStan?

554
00:47:19,587 --> 00:47:49,567
Yeah, so we're like, we work across the world. So we have 1000 plus large enterprise clients to think about the public companies. We have about a million businesses that pay on the platform. So people say, no one uses Bitcoin, like in the real world. And we kind of laugh and say, actually, it's quite the opposite. Because when technology is magic, it kind of disappears. And so, you know, when you walk in your Uber, you just magically happens, and then you leave and you don't exchange money anymore. And that's how it works.

555
00:47:49,567 --> 00:47:55,487
with us. So, you know, millions of businesses will use that card to pay on us. Thousands of

556
00:47:55,487 --> 00:48:01,267
large companies will use it. Could be anything from a mining manufacturing company in the Bitcoin

557
00:48:01,267 --> 00:48:09,047
space to, you know, a public tech company to a global supply chain company that doesn't want to

558
00:48:09,047 --> 00:48:14,887
pay, you know, FX fees. So all of them will use us to be able to move their money really efficiently.

559
00:48:14,887 --> 00:48:23,227
We say we help real world companies solve real world problems with real world use cases of Bitcoin.

560
00:48:24,727 --> 00:48:30,907
How have the companies found you? Because this is a niche offering, right?

561
00:48:30,947 --> 00:48:40,907
It gives me hope that there's a lot more sleeper Bitcoiners in fiat companies out there that might bring this to the attention of their boardroom, for example.

562
00:48:40,907 --> 00:48:52,187
Yeah, I think one of the, I don't know if it was the right or wrong approach, but we started the company, I think, a lot earlier than maybe the current cohort of companies that people hear about.

563
00:48:53,107 --> 00:49:06,547
And because we really wanted to focus on being a use case and proving that money is not just a store of value, but a medium of exchange, for years and years, that was very complicated because of regulation.

564
00:49:06,547 --> 00:49:16,147
And so we took the approach, instead of talking to a company or a CFO about Bitcoin, they might not have been ready for that.

565
00:49:16,927 --> 00:49:22,287
So for many years, we stopped using the words in the first part of the conversation.

566
00:49:22,507 --> 00:49:25,047
Instead, we'd actually used the end result.

567
00:49:25,207 --> 00:49:31,547
We'd say, hey, wouldn't it be good if you could move money instantly at the speed of light because time is money?

568
00:49:31,547 --> 00:49:36,507
and wouldn't it be money good if you were able to get that money faster so you could run your

569
00:49:36,507 --> 00:49:41,567
business faster and wouldn't it be good if you could you know sort of lower all your costs and

570
00:49:41,567 --> 00:49:46,487
not pay all these unfair fees um you know wouldn't it be good if your money was sovereign and you

571
00:49:46,487 --> 00:49:51,567
owned it and there wasn't a middleman like so so we would use all of the words that a bitcoiner

572
00:49:51,567 --> 00:49:57,107
would use and and then we would just quietly kind of you know go would you would that be worth it

573
00:49:57,107 --> 00:50:02,307
you and they'd say, yeah, I totally want that. Screw Visa or screw the banks or screw the taxes.

574
00:50:02,307 --> 00:50:06,627
Right. So you start to get them really riled up. They just didn't know they were being orange

575
00:50:06,627 --> 00:50:12,147
pilled. So for years, we actually said all of the things that make Bitcoin so unique and special.

576
00:50:12,707 --> 00:50:17,827
We just didn't tell them the thing that was the scary word for them. And, you know, now today,

577
00:50:17,827 --> 00:50:24,307
you know, we're quite a big scaled company. And I think that that was our secret of success was

578
00:50:24,307 --> 00:50:29,247
talking about the value and how it would change and affect and improve their lives, you know,

579
00:50:29,307 --> 00:50:34,847
and eventually they become, you know, the ideologues we are too, but, you know, start

580
00:50:34,847 --> 00:50:37,487
with how it'll change their life and then they'll become curious.

581
00:50:38,007 --> 00:50:38,027
So.

582
00:50:39,047 --> 00:50:39,527
Excellent.

583
00:50:39,647 --> 00:50:46,767
So you've got, you've got a way to find businesses and to, you know, completely convince them.

584
00:50:46,767 --> 00:50:52,247
But then what, what, what about the project side of thing, things, Alexandra, how do you

585
00:50:52,247 --> 00:50:59,427
find the projects because they they don't come flooding right they obviously the the amazonian

586
00:50:59,427 --> 00:51:07,867
chieftains was uh was an outlier well that's a that's a great question because we travel

587
00:51:07,867 --> 00:51:16,327
a lot all the time and a just going with our phones which is something that i learned from

588
00:51:16,327 --> 00:51:24,267
Jeremy and saying, talking a little bit about, do you use Bitcoin? And then they say no. And we

589
00:51:24,267 --> 00:51:30,247
as we explain in a very easy way, why so easy to change money? I'm in the United States,

590
00:51:30,327 --> 00:51:36,047
you're in Costa Rica, and you are here, you're here. Do you want to try it? It sparks curiosity

591
00:51:36,047 --> 00:51:40,607
on them, right? And then they are like, but I have a business, but I have a community.

592
00:51:40,607 --> 00:51:46,967
A beautiful example of that is we were in a place called La Comuna 13 in Medellin.

593
00:51:47,067 --> 00:51:53,887
Medellin is this big place where all narcotrafficking, and for you, Lauren, was happening a long time ago, Pablo Escobar,

594
00:51:54,427 --> 00:51:58,187
like huge narcotrafficking problems were there, and I was there.

595
00:51:58,547 --> 00:52:00,667
I am from Colombia.

596
00:52:01,387 --> 00:52:08,067
So when I'm there, I take Jeremy to see the place La Comuna 13, which was a scary place, guys.

597
00:52:08,067 --> 00:52:14,707
like was full of gangs no one could go to that place and then my family said you have to go to

598
00:52:14,707 --> 00:52:21,447
la comuna trece and i'm like really and we go there and it's totally the most amazing place

599
00:52:21,447 --> 00:52:29,527
full of culture music art it's like it's like hilarious like being in france in a beautiful

600
00:52:29,527 --> 00:52:37,887
place full of coffees restaurant colors a joy etc etc and we walk there and i am in love for one

601
00:52:37,887 --> 00:52:44,867
jacket and I asked them do you guys get bitcoin and they're like so I am like let me explain to

602
00:52:44,867 --> 00:52:50,367
you very quickly this is it do you want to let me help you to open that they open their wallet

603
00:52:50,367 --> 00:52:57,507
we pay in bitcoin we got more things and then they uh whatsapp me and say like this is really cool

604
00:52:57,507 --> 00:53:04,807
how can we train all the small businesses here to use bitcoin because right now that place is full

605
00:53:04,807 --> 00:53:07,667
of tourists that are visiting because of course,

606
00:53:07,727 --> 00:53:10,447
Medellin is a hot place for the history

607
00:53:10,447 --> 00:53:12,947
with the narcotraffic thing right now

608
00:53:12,947 --> 00:53:15,607
in one of the best cities in the world

609
00:53:15,607 --> 00:53:18,487
in terms of technology, culture, et cetera, et cetera.

610
00:53:18,967 --> 00:53:21,567
And we are leading a new project.

611
00:53:22,087 --> 00:53:23,927
So we connect my first Bitcoin,

612
00:53:24,347 --> 00:53:26,987
we connect the NGO that we work with

613
00:53:26,987 --> 00:53:28,367
and then they can do the work.

614
00:53:28,887 --> 00:53:32,187
So it's amazing to see how you can be an ambassador

615
00:53:32,187 --> 00:53:34,567
and then the need is there.

616
00:53:34,567 --> 00:53:37,187
It's just everybody could be a Bitcoiner.

617
00:53:37,367 --> 00:53:39,547
Eventually, everybody is going to be a Bitcoiner.

618
00:53:39,707 --> 00:53:41,987
It's just that they just don't know, right?

619
00:53:42,487 --> 00:53:43,527
This is number one.

620
00:53:43,607 --> 00:53:46,367
And the number two thing is, I will say, the partnership, Jeremy.

621
00:53:46,707 --> 00:53:58,607
Yeah, and I think one of the things I would say with that on that is, you know, how does like my day job, I work in, you know, corporate America with big finance and that sort of thing.

622
00:53:58,847 --> 00:53:59,867
Like, where do these touch?

623
00:53:59,867 --> 00:54:10,887
I think it might be non-obvious that the Bitcoin community is quite a big tent, but it also like the adoption on each side actually helps each other.

624
00:54:11,687 --> 00:54:17,887
So, you know, most of my day job, you know, Alex gets to talk about all these beautiful stories that you guys could like hear for hours.

625
00:54:18,607 --> 00:54:24,287
But most of the time I'm like busy talking to bankers, to Wall Street people, to big corporations.

626
00:54:24,807 --> 00:54:29,347
And, you know, we're sitting literally in Silicon Valley right now, which is kind of the heart of our company.

627
00:54:29,347 --> 00:54:37,467
And even in the heart of technology, there is massive, even today, skepticism in Bitcoin.

628
00:54:37,627 --> 00:54:40,187
They might say, oh, stable coins or blockchain, but Bitcoin.

629
00:54:40,907 --> 00:54:48,587
And so one of the things I started doing over time was realize people needed to see that it was real.

630
00:54:49,127 --> 00:55:04,637
Number go up might spark curiosity for some people but a lot of people just really didn feel like there was a real use case So one of the things that we would do is you know we partner with on our normal company with companies

631
00:55:04,637 --> 00:55:10,677
like Oracle and Microsoft and Sage and Salesforce and kind of big companies like that. And that's

632
00:55:10,677 --> 00:55:15,937
oftentimes how we'll get, you know, customers. And, you know, we've been talking to folks like

633
00:55:15,937 --> 00:55:21,537
that. And I said, hey, you guys need to come and just see it. You're so skeptical, but let me take

634
00:55:21,537 --> 00:55:26,697
you to places where in the middle of nowhere, it's more advanced than Silicon Valley. And they would

635
00:55:26,697 --> 00:55:31,377
look at me like, are you crazy? And I'd say, no, no, no. Like you guys think that fintech is like a

636
00:55:31,377 --> 00:55:36,117
big thing, but actually you're just like a pretty UI on top of banks, you know, and they would get

637
00:55:36,117 --> 00:55:41,697
very offended by that. And I'd go, well, come see. And so I started doing kind of the opposite of the

638
00:55:41,697 --> 00:55:45,697
fellowship that she's talking about with our employees. I started doing like, I don't know

639
00:55:45,697 --> 00:55:50,317
what to describe it, like pilgrimages where I started bringing like CEOs down to these places,

640
00:55:50,317 --> 00:56:03,597
You know, CEOs of banks, board members, VCs, and they'd be very nervous, but, you know, we take them. So we did a trip somewhat recently where we took, you know, a bunch of VCs, a bunch of investors, CEOs down to El Zante.

641
00:56:03,597 --> 00:56:19,957
You know, and I think seeing you walk through and be able to immediately pay your taxes instantly, go to a small town where you can buy your pupusas, buy your chicken, like these things.

642
00:56:19,957 --> 00:56:25,457
And then we would do these cases where we'd like talk to the business owners that are small businesses like she just described.

643
00:56:25,977 --> 00:56:29,897
And they would go like, what are you doing when the volatility is so high?

644
00:56:30,037 --> 00:56:31,497
Like, how do you deal with that?

645
00:56:31,497 --> 00:56:37,177
and and the pupusaria lady would just be like yeah uh volatility but now i've been making pupusas

646
00:56:37,177 --> 00:56:42,877
like for five years with this and you know i own a pupusa empire so uh volatility on the way up

647
00:56:42,877 --> 00:56:47,797
has been fine with us i understand inflation and hedging more better than you do like you know so

648
00:56:47,797 --> 00:56:54,577
it's like a complete mind shift um and so you know those two communities you would be surprised at

649
00:56:54,577 --> 00:57:02,237
how much they build on each other that's awesome right lauren did you want to hang around or did

650
00:57:02,237 --> 00:57:08,677
you want to um i think i am going to skedaddle now but thank you for our sister's doing

651
00:57:08,677 --> 00:57:14,777
yeah exactly no i went yeah you asked about caitlin an hour and 15 minutes ago

652
00:57:14,777 --> 00:57:22,657
i'm glad i stayed for the stories but um i think i'm gonna get it now but yeah thank you

653
00:57:22,657 --> 00:57:26,597
thank you have a good day bye lauren i hope to see you here soon

654
00:57:26,597 --> 00:57:32,557
yes for sure that'd be great uh yeah we'll send sophia through

655
00:57:32,557 --> 00:57:38,057
next and then uh lauren and samuel they can come over when um when they're a little bit older

656
00:57:38,057 --> 00:57:43,357
and uh it'll be awesome keep making a tribe dan just keep you know

657
00:57:43,357 --> 00:57:50,897
this is this is danielan inspiration to us like seeing you and your family

658
00:57:50,897 --> 00:57:59,037
on events and all together and supporting the young and supporting kids this is something

659
00:57:59,037 --> 00:58:08,377
literally amazing I do remember that because you were my inspiration I got two of my three kids to

660
00:58:08,377 --> 00:58:17,617
down to El Salvador to one of our executive uh and volunteer programs and one of the uh people

661
00:58:17,617 --> 00:58:23,137
ask me why are you bringing your kids isn't that weird like you know like and they were like

662
00:58:23,137 --> 00:58:29,777
totally the opposite like it's an experience to them they get to live this together they are

663
00:58:29,777 --> 00:58:36,577
going to become ambassadors that was a long time ago and right now it's true like other other uh

664
00:58:36,577 --> 00:58:41,897
part of our stuff they are like hey i really really would love to bring my entire family to

665
00:58:41,897 --> 00:58:48,557
the next trip how can i do that this is incredible so what you guys do was is a real inspiration to

666
00:58:48,557 --> 00:58:54,377
to know that this is a family thing right yeah it totally is and thank you for saying that that's

667
00:58:54,377 --> 00:59:00,797
uh that's very humbling um it was a pretty lonely place to be for a family a bitcoin conference in

668
00:59:00,797 --> 00:59:06,897
the first couple that we went to but then people catch on and they're like well i'm gonna bring my

669
00:59:06,897 --> 00:59:12,357
wife and kids the next one and by by the time we got around to madeira that um that they did such

670
00:59:12,357 --> 00:59:17,357
a great job andre and the guys putting that together with the they even had a little kids tent

671
00:59:17,357 --> 00:59:23,337
uh where the kids were interviewing uh bitcoiners up on the stage they had jackomo zucco up on the

672
00:59:23,337 --> 00:59:28,977
stage answering questions and jack malas as well and uh it was just so great to see because

673
00:59:28,977 --> 00:59:35,357
uh and invariably with the younger kids the parents would have to be with the younger kids

674
00:59:35,357 --> 00:59:37,237
And the younger kids went, I want to be in that tent.

675
00:59:37,397 --> 00:59:38,817
What have got the games going on?

676
00:59:38,857 --> 00:59:40,497
They're all Bitcoin educational games.

677
00:59:40,497 --> 00:59:41,737
And then you've got these guys up.

678
00:59:41,857 --> 00:59:46,037
I remember parents telling me, like, I had to come in this tent because they wanted to come in this.

679
00:59:46,277 --> 00:59:47,417
The Jack of mine on stage.

680
00:59:47,917 --> 00:59:49,597
This is like, it's giving me goosebumps.

681
00:59:50,357 --> 00:59:51,357
This is amazing.

682
00:59:52,377 --> 00:59:55,797
And now you go to the conferences and there's way more families.

683
00:59:55,797 --> 01:00:04,197
We were just in Prague and there was a lot of families that turned up there and a lot of first timers as well that had never been to a Bitcoin meetup,

684
01:00:04,197 --> 01:00:06,177
had never been to a conference.

685
01:00:06,977 --> 01:00:08,157
So it's happening.

686
01:00:08,317 --> 01:00:09,497
It's grassroots stuff.

687
01:00:09,517 --> 01:00:10,637
And it's really great to see.

688
01:00:10,697 --> 01:00:13,357
And I just hope more conference organizers

689
01:00:13,357 --> 01:00:15,517
take a leaf out of Free Madeira's book

690
01:00:15,517 --> 01:00:17,977
and just give the kids a space.

691
01:00:18,417 --> 01:00:19,517
And when I say kids,

692
01:00:19,597 --> 01:00:21,557
anything from five to 20, whatever,

693
01:00:22,017 --> 01:00:22,917
give them a space,

694
01:00:23,537 --> 01:00:25,077
put the responsibility on them

695
01:00:25,077 --> 01:00:26,237
to curate a program,

696
01:00:26,737 --> 01:00:28,077
have them make the reach out,

697
01:00:28,177 --> 01:00:30,557
literally wait on the side of the stage

698
01:00:30,557 --> 01:00:32,557
and wait for one of the speakers to come off

699
01:00:32,557 --> 01:00:34,177
and just say, would you come to,

700
01:00:34,737 --> 01:00:36,517
they're going to say yes every time,

701
01:00:37,177 --> 01:00:39,357
every single time they're going to say yes.

702
01:00:39,357 --> 01:00:42,437
And it makes it such a special moment

703
01:00:42,437 --> 01:00:43,757
for all of the conferences.

704
01:00:44,277 --> 01:00:47,397
So to try and start wrapping it up, I guess,

705
01:00:47,657 --> 01:00:50,837
would be to ask you a practical question

706
01:00:50,837 --> 01:00:53,857
on the business side and on the foundation side.

707
01:00:54,217 --> 01:00:55,417
So we'll start with you, Alexandra.

708
01:00:55,557 --> 01:00:58,357
How can people apply if they've been listening,

709
01:00:58,557 --> 01:01:00,257
if they're running some kind of project

710
01:01:00,257 --> 01:01:01,917
or they've got something in mind

711
01:01:01,917 --> 01:01:06,477
to start a Bitcoin communal economy,

712
01:01:07,017 --> 01:01:08,537
how can they reach out and apply?

713
01:01:08,697 --> 01:01:12,437
Is there minimum requirements or is it just a phone call?

714
01:01:12,597 --> 01:01:13,537
Just talk us through it.

715
01:01:14,657 --> 01:01:16,457
Well, it's not that complicated.

716
01:01:16,637 --> 01:01:20,477
We just finished the second allocation for the year.

717
01:01:20,477 --> 01:01:24,997
So the next year round starts in November.

718
01:01:25,857 --> 01:01:29,637
So usually people just go by our website, paystand.org,

719
01:01:29,637 --> 01:01:33,737
and there is a forum there that has a couple of questions.

720
01:01:34,317 --> 01:01:35,837
If they want to reach out to me,

721
01:01:35,917 --> 01:01:39,937
I am always very happy with one of our team to talk to them,

722
01:01:40,017 --> 01:01:42,877
to explain to them why it's important, how we work.

723
01:01:43,417 --> 01:01:46,737
But in general, Alexandra at paystand.org is my email.

724
01:01:47,197 --> 01:01:49,797
But if you just go by paystand.org,

725
01:01:49,857 --> 01:01:53,037
they can see all that we are doing, who we are supporting.

726
01:01:53,037 --> 01:01:59,317
The grants have different average.

727
01:01:59,637 --> 01:02:02,937
depending on the NGO that is working with us.

728
01:02:03,377 --> 01:02:10,157
Something that is important is that some of the grants we do it in Bitcoin,

729
01:02:10,577 --> 01:02:13,497
but we are also, of course, open to do that in fiat.

730
01:02:13,497 --> 01:02:20,417
They need to be supporting circular economies, Bitcoin adoption in underrepresented communities.

731
01:02:21,017 --> 01:02:26,337
It doesn't matter if it's to women, to men, to kids, to small businesses,

732
01:02:26,337 --> 01:02:32,297
or through, you know, like the goal is the goal to advance and accelerate the use of Bitcoin

733
01:02:32,297 --> 01:02:36,897
and give more financial inclusion to underrepresented communities.

734
01:02:37,377 --> 01:02:38,877
And it's very easy after that.

735
01:02:38,877 --> 01:02:44,017
Our committee get together and depending on the budget,

736
01:02:44,457 --> 01:02:50,137
we guide the NGO to put a better scope of work or we help them.

737
01:02:50,737 --> 01:02:53,677
And we notice that some NGOs not only need the grants,

738
01:02:53,677 --> 01:03:08,507
which is of course amazing for them to receive some money but we support them also with different programs with the Women Brunch For example if they need some support to bring more women we support them with uh programs as mentors so if they need

739
01:03:08,507 --> 01:03:14,987
mentors we do that if they need internships that can come and work with our own team that's another

740
01:03:14,987 --> 01:03:22,187
thing that we do if they need a special consultant to work on their marketing so we are able to

741
01:03:22,187 --> 01:03:23,307
to support with that.

742
01:03:23,687 --> 01:03:27,387
So we want to make sure that this is a relationship of trust

743
01:03:27,387 --> 01:03:29,947
and we want to meet with their needs.

744
01:03:30,347 --> 01:03:32,287
It's not that we are imposing anything.

745
01:03:32,547 --> 01:03:34,407
It's that we want to meet with their needs.

746
01:03:34,787 --> 01:03:37,807
And when we understand their needs, it becomes more like a friendship.

747
01:03:38,007 --> 01:03:39,747
What do you need that we can support?

748
01:03:40,207 --> 01:03:41,507
What is the scope of work?

749
01:03:42,047 --> 01:03:46,907
And something that we ask in return is let's make sure that we have a conversation

750
01:03:46,907 --> 01:03:54,667
like a monthly, by week, by monthly, or maybe once every semester, a conversation, and send us

751
01:03:54,667 --> 01:04:01,907
reports that you are, that your outcomes are your vision. So tell us how was the outcome that you

752
01:04:01,907 --> 01:04:09,187
have with the grant that we sent. We do a max of three-year program because we want to make sure

753
01:04:09,187 --> 01:04:15,867
that the NGO keep growing itself and look for another allocation of sources, not only rely on us,

754
01:04:15,867 --> 01:04:18,327
but rely on the great work that they are doing.

755
01:04:18,807 --> 01:04:20,367
So it's easy, it's simple.

756
01:04:20,507 --> 01:04:22,367
We are super, super approachable

757
01:04:22,367 --> 01:04:27,627
and we hope to support more NGOs next year for sure.

758
01:04:28,527 --> 01:04:28,847
Amazing.

759
01:04:29,167 --> 01:04:31,587
And Jeremy, on the business side of things,

760
01:04:32,067 --> 01:04:35,287
for all of the Bitcoiners listening to this right now

761
01:04:35,287 --> 01:04:37,807
that are that Bitcoiner within the business

762
01:04:37,807 --> 01:04:41,647
and want, you know, they understand

763
01:04:41,647 --> 01:04:45,687
to save this business,

764
01:04:45,687 --> 01:04:54,767
Like we talked about, you know, like the fiduciary duty of looking after that business and making sure it's still going to be around in five to 15 to 25 years time.

765
01:04:54,847 --> 01:05:05,467
The only way that they are going to guarantee that is if there is Bitcoin getting stacked on that balance sheet or if they start cutting the costs, like you explained, by using Paystand.

766
01:05:05,467 --> 01:05:17,447
How can they effectively approach you guys to be able to use you guys and your stories and success stories to then take to the boardroom?

767
01:05:17,447 --> 01:05:26,567
Yeah. So simply go to paystand.com. And we have a family of companies that we support so we can

768
01:05:26,567 --> 01:05:32,407
route them to the right teams, whether it's our payables and AP and expense, the corporate card,

769
01:05:32,507 --> 01:05:38,887
or they want to use us to receive revenue or to do capital allocations or treasury. These are all

770
01:05:38,887 --> 01:05:45,707
services we support. So go to paystand.com. I'm also fairly easy to get a hold of. I'm on Twitter,

771
01:05:45,707 --> 01:05:53,387
X at Jeremy Almond. And then if you're, you know, if you're trying to slowly orange pill your boss,

772
01:05:53,907 --> 01:05:58,567
Daniel talked about at the beginning, I'd asked him for advice. I don't know, a year, two years

773
01:05:58,567 --> 01:06:04,307
ago, because I started doing a podcast that wasn't really aimed at Bitcoiners, but was actually aimed

774
01:06:04,307 --> 01:06:09,027
at kind of normie business people to start understanding the use cases in the language.

775
01:06:09,467 --> 01:06:14,527
And that's called Redefined. And you can go to YouTube to go to Redefined. And that's really

776
01:06:14,527 --> 01:06:21,167
like to see focused on business people, what are business use cases? Because oftentimes that's the

777
01:06:21,167 --> 01:06:26,607
first way they like understand it. Oh, I can save money. I can save FX fees. I can save, you know,

778
01:06:26,747 --> 01:06:31,867
I can be able to move my goods and services sooner. I can, you know, help my mining business

779
01:06:31,867 --> 01:06:37,327
operate cheaper, or I can access capital better, or I need to learn about treasury. Like all of

780
01:06:37,327 --> 01:06:41,867
these are kind of things that we'll focus on for the business audience. And so that's at Redefined

781
01:06:41,867 --> 01:06:44,487
on YouTube and Spotify and those sorts of places.

782
01:06:46,067 --> 01:06:50,667
But yeah, I think we at Paystand, maybe to wrap up,

783
01:06:51,267 --> 01:06:55,747
our view is even if you're not a customer of us,

784
01:06:56,167 --> 01:06:57,607
what we hope we can maybe,

785
01:06:58,047 --> 01:06:59,867
we did this for a long time quietly

786
01:06:59,867 --> 01:07:01,347
and maybe we're starting to talk about it

787
01:07:01,347 --> 01:07:02,347
a little bit more now,

788
01:07:03,167 --> 01:07:08,127
is show that there can be realignment of incentives

789
01:07:08,127 --> 01:07:10,827
for capital companies to then go back

790
01:07:10,827 --> 01:07:12,487
and give back to the community as well.

791
01:07:12,647 --> 01:07:14,147
And so if nothing else,

792
01:07:14,167 --> 01:07:16,547
we hope we can be a little bit of like a good neighbor

793
01:07:16,547 --> 01:07:18,067
in the area for too long.

794
01:07:18,467 --> 01:07:20,567
Companies, especially financial service companies,

795
01:07:20,767 --> 01:07:24,347
just they existed to amass wealth

796
01:07:24,347 --> 01:07:27,107
and sort of a winner take all game.

797
01:07:27,247 --> 01:07:29,067
And so what we wanted to show and prove

798
01:07:29,067 --> 01:07:31,367
was Bitcoin is about incentive alignment.

799
01:07:31,647 --> 01:07:34,307
It's about sort of creating more access.

800
01:07:34,727 --> 01:07:37,147
And so shouldn't the companies represent that too?

801
01:07:37,147 --> 01:07:47,747
And so we hope even if somebody is not a customer of ours, they can take this mentality back to their company, their job, their work, that their work has meaning and value.

802
01:07:48,027 --> 01:07:50,407
And then those who are blessed should be a blessing to others.

803
01:07:50,547 --> 01:07:55,947
And so hopefully other companies follow the model that we're doing with Paystand and paystand.org.

804
01:07:56,967 --> 01:07:58,827
Yeah, I hope so, too.

805
01:07:59,087 --> 01:08:00,227
So well done.

806
01:08:00,387 --> 01:08:01,187
Excellent work.

807
01:08:01,427 --> 01:08:03,127
Really enjoyed this conversation.

808
01:08:03,267 --> 01:08:03,967
Having you both on.

809
01:08:04,527 --> 01:08:06,307
But there's one final question for you to tackle.

810
01:08:07,147 --> 01:08:10,627
and you'll have to argue over who goes first.

811
01:08:11,207 --> 01:08:11,567
Okay.

812
01:08:11,787 --> 01:08:13,407
That's not hard for us to do that.

813
01:08:15,327 --> 01:08:15,807
Okay.

814
01:08:15,987 --> 01:08:19,127
So if you had one last orange pill left to give to somebody,

815
01:08:19,287 --> 01:08:20,827
who would you give it to and why?

816
01:08:22,667 --> 01:08:24,007
Oh, my gosh.

817
01:08:24,727 --> 01:08:25,167
Ouch.

818
01:08:25,247 --> 01:08:26,487
That was hard, Daniel.

819
01:08:26,747 --> 01:08:27,487
One last?

820
01:08:28,127 --> 01:08:28,587
One.

821
01:08:30,987 --> 01:08:33,287
And I can't reach out to anybody in the world?

822
01:08:33,707 --> 01:08:33,987
Mm-hmm.

823
01:08:33,987 --> 01:08:38,787
can i be super honest yep

824
01:08:38,787 --> 01:08:42,167
i

825
01:08:42,167 --> 01:08:54,867
i will go to the pope to the catholic pope and orange peel him there is so much

826
01:08:54,867 --> 01:08:59,027
that community that is changing,

827
01:08:59,487 --> 01:09:01,107
that has hope,

828
01:09:01,647 --> 01:09:05,027
that reach out to people in many different ways,

829
01:09:05,087 --> 01:09:06,687
from donations to power,

830
01:09:07,167 --> 01:09:10,767
to influence, to spiritual direction,

831
01:09:11,827 --> 01:09:15,827
that I would love to be able to reach out to him

832
01:09:15,827 --> 01:09:17,307
and say the same principles.

833
01:09:17,927 --> 01:09:19,947
It's just for financial inclusion

834
01:09:19,947 --> 01:09:22,767
and you have to be part of this.

835
01:09:23,287 --> 01:09:24,007
Love it.

836
01:09:24,007 --> 01:09:28,867
Well, next, the next pope that gets chosen, there might be orange smoke that comes out the top of the Vatican.

837
01:09:29,147 --> 01:09:31,727
I love it. I love it. I love it.

838
01:09:32,107 --> 01:09:35,027
Danny wanted me to argue, but like that's that's that's hard to beat.

839
01:09:35,107 --> 01:09:39,607
So, you know, I think what I would say is one of the most fundamental things to me is Bitcoin is hope.

840
01:09:39,607 --> 01:09:51,647
And so I think it's hard to argue with that answer because what I've seen is the people that drove the Bitcoin adoption the most were on the front lines,

841
01:09:51,647 --> 01:09:53,907
whether it's Michael Petersons of the world

842
01:09:53,907 --> 01:09:56,347
or other people that are kind of quiet about it

843
01:09:56,347 --> 01:09:58,947
because ultimately what they're doing is delivering hope.

844
01:09:59,827 --> 01:10:01,607
And that's the outcome Bitcoin brings.

845
01:10:01,987 --> 01:10:04,387
So whether it's the Pope or anybody else

846
01:10:04,387 --> 01:10:05,347
that's on the mission field

847
01:10:05,347 --> 01:10:07,707
that is sort of driving life change,

848
01:10:08,147 --> 01:10:10,527
I think Bitcoin is the tool to do that.

849
01:10:11,427 --> 01:10:14,807
And so orange smoke, it is.

850
01:10:15,227 --> 01:10:15,847
Yeah, love it.

851
01:10:15,847 --> 01:10:17,027
You know everybody.

852
01:10:17,827 --> 01:10:20,087
Yes, I don't know the Pope just yet.

853
01:10:20,087 --> 01:10:20,347
It happened.

854
01:10:21,647 --> 01:10:24,047
I like the ambition.

855
01:10:24,167 --> 01:10:26,207
He said, I don't know the Pope just yet.

856
01:10:26,307 --> 01:10:26,787
Just yet.

857
01:10:27,847 --> 01:10:29,467
Okay, so I know it's going to happen.

858
01:10:30,167 --> 01:10:33,587
Will you be at any events?

859
01:10:34,267 --> 01:10:36,947
Will people be able to run into you and see you in real life?

860
01:10:37,187 --> 01:10:38,927
Have you got anything coming up, anything planned?

861
01:10:39,087 --> 01:10:40,547
And then we'll end it there.

862
01:10:41,727 --> 01:10:43,487
Yeah, we have many events.

863
01:10:44,387 --> 01:10:48,407
The next one, we are going to be in Bitcoin Asia.

864
01:10:48,407 --> 01:10:54,507
is speaking oh my gosh we have like 10 speaking engagements but the one that is coming up to me

865
01:10:54,507 --> 01:11:00,047
right now is El Salvador we're going to be together there I hope that you are there too

866
01:11:00,047 --> 01:11:11,917
with us this year and a Tina I think is coming up as well we going to Argentina and being you are going to be speaking in november there those two are the ones that are coming up to my mind right now do

867
01:11:11,917 --> 01:11:16,417
you have any other one that you remember yeah there's a bunch but there is a bunch but let's

868
01:11:16,417 --> 01:11:23,117
stick with salvador in november it's a great invitation for everybody to be in el salvador

869
01:11:23,117 --> 01:11:30,057
in la cuna la mecca where so many underrepresented communities government education minister

870
01:11:30,057 --> 01:11:32,297
nonprofits, NGOs, great people

871
01:11:32,297 --> 01:11:34,637
is coming together to talk

872
01:11:34,637 --> 01:11:36,577
about Bitcoin and economic

873
01:11:36,577 --> 01:11:38,477
empowerment. And then

874
01:11:38,477 --> 01:11:40,477
Argentina, which is amazing, like

875
01:11:40,477 --> 01:11:42,597
one of the leaders on

876
01:11:42,597 --> 01:11:43,757
cryptocurrencies,

877
01:11:44,577 --> 01:11:46,117
Bitcoiners that are

878
01:11:46,117 --> 01:11:48,777
leading this in the first

879
01:11:48,777 --> 01:11:50,357
Bitcoin conference

880
01:11:50,357 --> 01:11:52,437
in November. So it's two great

881
01:11:52,437 --> 01:11:53,077
opportunities.

882
01:11:53,957 --> 01:11:56,297
Love it. Well, thank you both for coming on.

883
01:11:56,577 --> 01:11:58,217
And for anybody listening, yeah,

884
01:11:58,217 --> 01:12:05,977
Get over to paystand.org or paystand.com and get to know Jeremy and Alexandra a little bit better.

885
01:12:05,977 --> 01:12:14,157
And congratulations on everything that you've achieved on both the business side and on the philanthropic side of things.

886
01:12:14,357 --> 01:12:18,797
And thank you again for giving Caitlin the opportunity for this internship.

887
01:12:19,177 --> 01:12:24,037
It's been a pivotal moment, I'm sure, in her young adult life.

888
01:12:24,037 --> 01:12:34,817
Thank you, Daniel, for what you do, for spreading the voice, for helping so many people, communities, leaders, companies to get to know more the work about Bitcoin.

889
01:12:35,117 --> 01:12:37,637
You and your family are an inspiration to us.

890
01:12:38,397 --> 01:12:41,337
And having Kaylan has been such a delight.

891
01:12:41,997 --> 01:12:48,437
They often say you know somebody's kind of inner soul by how their kids turn out.

892
01:12:48,437 --> 01:12:58,657
And I would say, Daniel, we know each other a bit, but I have a pretty good sense on what your actual home life is and what your actual core values are because your daughter is incredible.

893
01:12:58,937 --> 01:13:00,437
So much love to you.

894
01:13:00,477 --> 01:13:01,517
Keep doing your mission, buddy.

895
01:13:01,597 --> 01:13:02,097
We appreciate you.

896
01:13:02,437 --> 01:13:03,437
Thank you very much.

897
01:13:03,537 --> 01:13:04,397
Appreciate you both.

898
01:13:04,477 --> 01:13:05,237
Very kind words.

899
01:13:05,397 --> 01:13:05,777
Thank you.

900
01:13:06,237 --> 01:13:06,677
Cheers.

901
01:13:07,017 --> 01:13:07,717
Thank you, Daniel.

902
01:13:09,617 --> 01:13:11,877
Well, thank you, everybody, for listening.

903
01:13:12,157 --> 01:13:16,517
And thank you again, Jeremy and Alexandra, for coming on and talking us through that.

904
01:13:16,517 --> 01:13:23,817
Like I said, if you want to get over and learn about more what the foundation is doing, it's paystand.org.

905
01:13:24,837 --> 01:13:27,057
They're helping so many different projects.

906
01:13:27,317 --> 01:13:28,317
I'll call a few out.

907
01:13:28,417 --> 01:13:31,397
Mi Prima Bitcoin, obviously one of the big ones.

908
01:13:31,497 --> 01:13:32,957
I'm sure people have heard of that.

909
01:13:33,457 --> 01:13:36,457
Led up by John Dennehy over in El Salvador.

910
01:13:37,157 --> 01:13:42,957
Doing the best that they can to educate as many young people as possible about Bitcoin.

911
01:13:43,637 --> 01:13:45,097
Hope House in El Zante.

912
01:13:45,097 --> 01:13:50,517
They are partnered with Largo Bitcoin Motive in Peru.

913
01:13:50,677 --> 01:13:53,337
I've had Richard on from that project before.

914
01:13:54,117 --> 01:13:54,757
Free Madeira.

915
01:13:55,197 --> 01:13:59,877
They're partnered with Free Madeira to help build out that circular economy over there as well.

916
01:14:01,177 --> 01:14:06,537
There's Sports Light, Digital Nest, Bitcoin School Argentina, Citadel of Hope.

917
01:14:06,937 --> 01:14:08,317
Stuff you've not heard of.

918
01:14:09,117 --> 01:14:10,677
It's so exciting.

919
01:14:10,677 --> 01:14:18,677
it's so rewarding and uplifting to hear these stories of all of the work that's going on in

920
01:14:18,677 --> 01:14:27,037
the background by people you might not have even knew existed and paystand jeremy correctly

921
01:14:27,037 --> 01:14:34,017
described it as a bit of a sleeping giant in the bitcoin space and if you are a sleeper bitcoiner

922
01:14:34,017 --> 01:14:40,537
in your company i hope you've listened to this and i hope you've got a lot of inspiration from it

923
01:14:40,537 --> 01:14:45,577
and you can reach out to paystand and you can reach out to these guys and see if there's any

924
01:14:45,577 --> 01:14:51,457
way that you can help your company in your boardroom get on board with the idea like we can

925
01:14:51,457 --> 01:14:57,617
use this company who are using the bitcoin rails behind the scenes on our behalf to save us a ton

926
01:14:57,617 --> 01:15:06,937
of money who wouldn't do that that's just a touch point that's a boardroom touch point about how

927
01:15:06,937 --> 01:15:15,597
Bitcoin can save your business money, give you a longer runway, make you more competitive, give you

928
01:15:15,597 --> 01:15:22,317
that edge, be able to then focus on different things like improving. Every company should exist

929
01:15:22,317 --> 01:15:28,377
just to figure out how do we improve our product, our service. That's all you should be able to do.

930
01:15:28,897 --> 01:15:34,017
But the thing is, you can't because you're putting out fires all of the time because of inflation and

931
01:15:34,017 --> 01:15:38,877
regulation policies and you're trying to hit this numbers quarter and this quarter's number excuse

932
01:15:38,877 --> 01:15:44,577
me and all of these fiat games that you get sucked into whereas if you are protecting yourself with

933
01:15:44,577 --> 01:15:51,617
a bitcoin standard in the background or in this case you're just using a company like paystand to

934
01:15:51,617 --> 01:15:58,277
save you money and have that initial touch point the the orange pill that the bitcoin mine virus

935
01:15:58,277 --> 01:16:07,057
we'll do the rest of the work but just introducing these ideas is of paramount importance and it used

936
01:16:07,057 --> 01:16:14,477
to be a career risk to come up with these ideas and present something like this in the boardroom

937
01:16:14,477 --> 01:16:21,017
or to your manager or whoever you just get laughed at and side-eyed not anymore no way

938
01:16:21,017 --> 01:16:27,797
people are hungry they want to know and especially if it's going to save them money like it's not

939
01:16:27,797 --> 01:16:32,697
not about right if we invest in bitcoin and uh it's going to go up and we're all going to be

940
01:16:32,697 --> 01:16:39,057
millionaires and we'll be able to you know buy our competitors out is that no no no no you just can

941
01:16:39,057 --> 01:16:44,677
protect your business and you will grow and you can grow you can concentrate on growing organically

942
01:16:44,677 --> 01:16:53,237
and what would the the fund side of the business the uh the paystand.org uh which uh my daughter

943
01:16:53,237 --> 01:16:58,937
was lucky enough to as you picked up there in the conversation to go across and see with her own eyes

944
01:16:58,937 --> 01:17:05,537
what's happening you know it's so tangible that that's when bitcoin becomes real when you see

945
01:17:05,537 --> 01:17:11,337
people using it as a medium of exchange and lifting them out of poverty and giving them the

946
01:17:11,337 --> 01:17:17,097
tools where they can concentrate on their work and they can commit more time to their families

947
01:17:17,097 --> 01:17:19,937
who could argue with that

948
01:17:19,937 --> 01:17:21,677
so

949
01:17:21,677 --> 01:17:23,157
for

950
01:17:23,157 --> 01:17:26,457
if you're still on the fence

951
01:17:26,457 --> 01:17:28,517
if you're still the quiet bitcoiner

952
01:17:28,517 --> 01:17:30,217
I hope this episode

953
01:17:30,217 --> 01:17:31,157
has helped you

954
01:17:31,157 --> 01:17:34,237
you've got troops on your side

955
01:17:34,237 --> 01:17:35,337
never doubt

956
01:17:35,337 --> 01:17:37,857
what you're going to bring to the table

957
01:17:37,857 --> 01:17:40,337
you might get side eyed and laughed at for a few weeks

958
01:17:40,337 --> 01:17:42,037
or a few months but in the end

959
01:17:42,037 --> 01:17:43,637
you will always be remembered

960
01:17:43,637 --> 01:17:46,117
and yeah

961
01:17:46,117 --> 01:17:50,597
take that with you that's the final message i hope everybody enjoyed the show please check out

962
01:17:50,597 --> 01:17:56,837
relay if you're looking to stack some sats across europe r-e-l-a-i.ch forward slash bitten

963
01:17:56,837 --> 01:18:04,057
please secure your bitcoin i cannot be more serious about this topic if you've not taken

964
01:18:04,057 --> 01:18:10,337
self-custody it's very simple you get to bitbox.swiss forward slash bitten you order the bitbox

965
01:18:10,337 --> 01:18:12,897
X02 or the Bitbox Nova.

966
01:18:13,457 --> 01:18:14,517
You type in the code BITTON.

967
01:18:14,837 --> 01:18:15,677
They ship it to you.

968
01:18:15,817 --> 01:18:18,537
You get 5% off and you start your self-custody journey.

969
01:18:18,957 --> 01:18:21,977
Get over to paywithflash.com if you want to start accepting Bitcoin.

970
01:18:22,777 --> 01:18:23,917
And Orange Pill App.

971
01:18:24,497 --> 01:18:26,937
Growing like a weed.

972
01:18:27,857 --> 01:18:29,897
18,000 Bitcoiners across the world.

973
01:18:30,017 --> 01:18:31,237
It's getting better and better.

974
01:18:31,557 --> 01:18:33,377
More and more updates are being pushed out.

975
01:18:33,817 --> 01:18:35,177
I've been a part of that team.

976
01:18:35,677 --> 01:18:36,317
Pushing it.

977
01:18:36,697 --> 01:18:38,657
Coming up with ideas for two years.

978
01:18:38,657 --> 01:18:39,817
Well done, Matteo.

979
01:18:39,817 --> 01:18:44,177
well done the team for everything that you've done to put this together it's been an absolute

980
01:18:44,177 --> 01:18:50,077
pleasure to watch you all grow and uh even if even if my ideas aren't always the best in the world

981
01:18:50,077 --> 01:18:56,997
Matteo uh I'm always there to uh to lend a hand so I'd love for you listeners to go and check out

982
01:18:56,997 --> 01:19:01,737
Orange Pill App come and find us on there and find your local Bitcoiners find your meetups

983
01:19:01,737 --> 01:19:07,137
build these circular economies start using Bitcoin as a medium exchange and that's all I

984
01:19:07,137 --> 01:19:08,717
got to say thank you very much for listening