1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,340 I guess, yeah, maybe I am just old footy. 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:04,680 No, don't you dare. 3 00:00:05,140 --> 00:00:06,620 Havoc, sir, sir. 4 00:00:07,220 --> 00:00:11,940 Don't you dare feel like you are perpetuating any stereotype 5 00:00:11,940 --> 00:00:14,440 about what I literally just made a point about. 6 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,000 No, no, sir. 7 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:16,600 You're right. 8 00:00:17,380 --> 00:00:19,680 Your music is the best music. 9 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:25,140 And these guys aren't even, they don't even play instruments anymore, Havoc. 10 00:00:25,140 --> 00:00:27,220 They don't even play their own instruments anymore. 11 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:59,980 Thank you. 12 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:10,040 all right everybody welcome back to another episode of the space tomatoes podcast i'm one 13 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:16,580 of your hosts havoc i'm lx hello welcome back all that stuff and today we have a special guest with 14 00:01:16,580 --> 00:01:25,140 us spiffy sean styles welcome to the show good to be here super special well how's it going my mom 15 00:01:25,140 --> 00:01:28,780 says I'm special, so I think that counts. Guys, how are you? Thank you for having me. 16 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:35,780 Yeah, man. It's been an interesting scheduling adventure and everything else, but hey, we got 17 00:01:35,780 --> 00:01:41,100 it all figured out and here we are. Listen, the modern day renaissance man that I am, 18 00:01:42,220 --> 00:01:48,580 you know, I'm a mover and a shaker, an international superstar. The fact that you guys are doing such 19 00:01:48,580 --> 00:01:55,960 a great job that I was able to carve out this time as a priority for me is a testament to the 20 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:04,540 amazing work that you gentlemen do. I'm kidding. I had to wake up at the crack of five o'clock in 21 00:02:04,540 --> 00:02:10,420 the afternoon and remember that this was on my schedule today. That was awesome. At least you 22 00:02:10,420 --> 00:02:16,480 remembered. That's the best part, right? I mean, barely. I mean, like you said, like we kind of 23 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:23,540 back and forth where like i'm new to the uh you know the guesting stuff uh where you know trying 24 00:02:23,540 --> 00:02:30,760 to kind of keep all of that together amongst the other various hats that i wear as the modern day 25 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:36,980 renaissance man um sometimes i get i get lost no not with this hair i don't but i but i would 26 00:02:36,980 --> 00:02:39,480 I mean, technically. 27 00:02:41,540 --> 00:02:42,180 Nice. 28 00:02:42,420 --> 00:02:42,780 Nice. 29 00:02:43,340 --> 00:02:49,960 So you pro wrestling, a band, cover band? 30 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:51,920 Is that an accurate description? 31 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:54,120 Yes. 32 00:02:54,460 --> 00:02:56,800 I mean, so I say it like this. 33 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:09,120 So a lot of my kind of overarching philosophy for the evolution of my life and kind of the, again, the various kind of hats that I wear. 34 00:03:09,620 --> 00:03:18,580 I've always kind of subscribed to one sort of overarching commandment or my business book, if you want to read it. 35 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:19,720 It's great. 36 00:03:19,860 --> 00:03:20,440 It's on Amazon. 37 00:03:20,920 --> 00:03:21,700 Not really. 38 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:24,800 Have I told you about my supplements? 39 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:33,280 much this hair i wear i mean there's let me tell you everybody has something to sell it's always 40 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:40,020 just shilling the entire time i'm on your show like a paid advertisement no but like so so i i 41 00:03:40,020 --> 00:03:46,120 learned um so i'm just old enough we were talking a little bit uh kind of before the show about being 42 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:53,800 uh an elder millennial uh and i i was excited that i uh you know i've got my background and uh we 43 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,940 we talked a little Star Trek, uh, in the prerecord and then, uh, 44 00:03:57,940 --> 00:04:02,080 saw LX's, uh, backdrop, which is literally, I, I'm right away. 45 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,240 Like if you're a man of a, of a certain age, 46 00:04:04,260 --> 00:04:06,960 you know exactly what those things are behind them. And right away, 47 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,660 I was like, Oh my gosh. Like that's, I just started, uh, 48 00:04:12,020 --> 00:04:16,740 I just played through the final fantasy 16 demo, uh, and love it. Uh, 49 00:04:17,620 --> 00:04:21,960 but, uh, I'm an OG guy, like going through seven, like I, 50 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:30,460 We could do the, you know, like I, listen, this is my first ADHD segue of the entire podcast. 51 00:04:30,460 --> 00:04:31,920 And there will be a few. 52 00:04:33,260 --> 00:04:44,580 This is the Tifa versus like Laura Croft argument as far as like my type of girl, as far as video game chicks that I might leave my wife for. 53 00:04:45,460 --> 00:04:48,180 And I mean, Tifa's, I'm team Tifa. 54 00:04:48,460 --> 00:04:50,960 I mean, just, you have to be. 55 00:04:51,060 --> 00:04:51,740 I mean, good Lord. 56 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:53,580 I have a type. 57 00:04:54,580 --> 00:04:55,400 What was the question? 58 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,420 I went through the Lara Croft thing for a while. 59 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,960 My wife got me the calendar and all that stuff back in the day. 60 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,440 She was a little bit more pointier back then. 61 00:05:04,780 --> 00:05:12,260 Well, listen, they wore those bras that weren't as flattering back in the 50s and 60s. 62 00:05:12,260 --> 00:05:15,260 If you look at the old catalogs. 63 00:05:15,260 --> 00:05:22,400 i literally just yesterday booted up quake quake the original quake and played through it 64 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:31,200 and uh they they now uh nvidia has uh released their little rtx uh modeler where you can go in 65 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:36,660 and actually you know implement some some better that was one of the original like engines wasn't 66 00:05:36,660 --> 00:05:44,220 it like quake was the one like like back in the day yeah yep pre pre unreal yep yeah yeah it was 67 00:05:44,220 --> 00:05:51,200 one of my favorite games man that thing was was just badass back then what was the very first 68 00:05:51,200 --> 00:06:01,560 thing like doom wolfenstein i was gonna say good i can't believe this is nuca maybe castle castle 69 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:09,740 yeah i never played any of that stuff those are all computer guys yeah that's true it was all 70 00:06:09,740 --> 00:06:15,600 the computer nerds blow off the cartridge and stick it in there and hope it works and 71 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:23,000 try it a few more times we used to literally i worked for i worked for a dod company at the time 72 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:29,480 and we used to literally bring in our systems on friday and after work shut down we'd plug in and 73 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:36,680 have land parties in the office it was hilarious i i again as an elder i remember land parties i 74 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:41,280 I remember when that was a thing where, and this is back in the day land parties to people listening. 75 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:56,660 This is not like I've got this really sweet gaming laptop and this is guys lumbering around with like old school like CRT like monitors and a big ass hard drive like tower and setting up and running cables. 76 00:06:56,660 --> 00:06:58,980 It's not, oh, we'll just do it over Wi-Fi. 77 00:06:59,180 --> 00:07:01,120 And no, you had to be in the room. 78 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:21,480 I'm trying to explain what a land party is to anybody under the age of 112 that might be listening to this like you had it used to have to show up and like plug things in and it was it was a simpler time but it was certainly a simpler time but man I mean you know there was there was something to those things you know. 79 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:28,900 well it's one of the things that like you talk about like um you know how sort of you know and 80 00:07:28,900 --> 00:07:34,180 people say disconnected now but like people communicate differently than they did obviously 81 00:07:34,180 --> 00:07:40,240 back when we were uh teenagers and stuff which thankfully because uh i'd be in jail still 82 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:47,460 probably um and most people in their in their 40s that were of the generation that we grew up without 83 00:07:47,460 --> 00:07:53,920 you know cell phones and cameras in our faces and the internet was a new thing uh to where we are now 84 00:07:53,920 --> 00:08:01,300 where you know literally everything you do is broadcast you know not just this but you know 85 00:08:01,300 --> 00:08:07,480 yeah no i always say i'm i'm really really really fortunate that cameras weren't something people 86 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:13,900 just had on them at all times back in the day i mean having i'm not gonna lie you more than probably 87 00:08:13,900 --> 00:08:19,020 me and LX as far as like people that probably should be in jail for our past transgressions. 88 00:08:19,020 --> 00:08:25,800 And I say that with all respect because I've, you know, I was a rotten kid, not a bad way. 89 00:08:25,860 --> 00:08:31,560 I was just, you know, I was, I was ADHD before ADHD was cool. You know what I mean? I'm just 90 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:36,260 old enough to have gone to school where like nuns could still hit you and stuff like that. 91 00:08:36,260 --> 00:08:41,680 When you were just a obnoxious kid, uh, now you can't do any of that stuff, but you know, 92 00:08:41,680 --> 00:08:44,380 but that was, that was the eighties, you know, and I'm, and I, 93 00:08:44,380 --> 00:08:46,720 I fancy myself a nineties kid as you, uh, 94 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:51,100 the original question I think was about music at some point. Uh, but yeah, 95 00:08:51,100 --> 00:08:54,480 one of the, the band thing I did is, uh, 96 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:59,160 to the overarching, uh, thing is find something you love to do. 97 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,900 That's chapter one of my business book, by the way, 98 00:09:02,460 --> 00:09:07,160 to actually get back to what I guess at some point we talked about, but my, 99 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,440 um, my book is find something you love to do. And then chapter two is, 100 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:18,300 find a way to get paid for that thing. And that has been pretty much my business philosophy 101 00:09:18,300 --> 00:09:28,720 since I was a recent college graduate. In 2006, I got a great job doing like mortgages and finance, 102 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:36,460 and I was crushing it out of school. And then those of us remember in 2008, 103 00:09:36,460 --> 00:09:40,880 everything just stopped as far as businesses. 104 00:09:41,300 --> 00:09:44,020 And there was a mortgage bubble 105 00:09:44,020 --> 00:09:48,640 and the financial industry pretty much went away. 106 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:55,160 And I went to work one day as the young hotshot top sales guy 107 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,940 for this nice company that I worked for. 108 00:09:58,300 --> 00:10:02,380 And the doors were locked through, obviously, at that point, 109 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:03,520 no fault of my own. 110 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:09,840 But the takeaway I had back then was I'm never going to work for anybody ever again. 111 00:10:10,540 --> 00:10:14,040 And the reason is because they can take it away from you. 112 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:15,420 Again, no fault of my own. 113 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:21,200 Like I, I'm just, I'm, first of all, I'm great at getting myself in trouble or getting myself fired. 114 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:29,800 I don't need that additional layer of, you know, challenge on top of my stupid mouth. 115 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,080 So, and, and that's where the band came from originally. 116 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,440 this was supposed to be a way to get free drinks and meet girls. 117 00:10:37,560 --> 00:10:39,260 This was never like, 118 00:10:39,260 --> 00:10:41,340 there was no business plan to be like, 119 00:10:41,460 --> 00:10:42,600 I'm going to, 120 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,500 I'm going to go to school forever and get a, 121 00:10:44,500 --> 00:10:45,240 you know, 122 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:46,640 a good, 123 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:51,460 be working on my PhD and then decide that that's, 124 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:52,800 that's enough student loans. 125 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:57,340 Let's just go ahead and drink Jager bombs and sing Jesse's girl for a living 126 00:10:57,340 --> 00:10:57,740 instead. 127 00:10:59,060 --> 00:11:00,000 But here we are, 128 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:00,980 you know, 129 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:01,240 Hey, 130 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:01,920 why not? 131 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:12,760 I mean, if you can do it, I mean, that's, but that's, you know, that's part of the, you know, you have to, there's a lot of, of trust you have to have in, in yourself. 132 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:23,500 And I understand a lot of people like a nine to five or a hem and egger, if you will, as a shout out to my wrestling guru, Bobby, the brain heenan. 133 00:11:23,980 --> 00:11:26,140 Like if you're a nine to five guy, there's nothing wrong with that. 134 00:11:26,140 --> 00:11:34,900 I know people that when they were 12 years old knew that they wanted to be a teacher or a lawyer or whatever like that. 135 00:11:35,380 --> 00:11:36,760 And God bless those people. 136 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:37,760 Seriously. 137 00:11:38,180 --> 00:11:44,440 I still have no idea what I want to be when I grow up. 138 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:45,940 And that's okay, too. 139 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:53,460 And that's a large part of, you know, of my podcast journey and me just trying to explain that to other people. 140 00:11:53,460 --> 00:11:56,980 where, you know, now you don't have that. 141 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,420 We're not in a society anymore 142 00:12:00,420 --> 00:12:02,100 that you get done with school, 143 00:12:02,340 --> 00:12:03,400 you go get a job, 144 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:04,520 you put your head down 145 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,840 and shut up and work for 25 years 146 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,420 and get your watch and go home. 147 00:12:09,560 --> 00:12:11,500 It's just, that's not where we are anymore. 148 00:12:11,620 --> 00:12:12,440 And that's okay too. 149 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:15,220 But, you know, but the times, 150 00:12:15,460 --> 00:12:16,180 they are a changing. 151 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,040 Any suggestions for people that, 152 00:12:20,820 --> 00:12:22,020 like maybe looking for something 153 00:12:22,020 --> 00:12:22,640 that they want to do, 154 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:23,680 but they hate everything. 155 00:12:24,060 --> 00:12:26,280 Not saying that I know anybody like that. 156 00:12:26,740 --> 00:12:30,800 You have done your homework on me. 157 00:12:32,700 --> 00:12:33,900 I'm talking about myself. 158 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,320 Is it really the hate everything thing, 159 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,940 or is it just hating the people that come around because of it? 160 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:41,840 I don't know. 161 00:12:41,940 --> 00:12:43,300 I mean, I'm good at several things. 162 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:45,900 I don't enjoy doing any of them. 163 00:12:46,140 --> 00:12:48,460 Yeah, and interacting with people, 164 00:12:48,460 --> 00:12:51,940 because I did take an online quiz once about, you know, 165 00:12:51,940 --> 00:12:57,960 possible career choices and it came back with a big fat zero because like you know i can't interact 166 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:03,340 with people so customer service is like right off the table that takes a few things right alex i 167 00:13:03,340 --> 00:13:09,340 don't know if you know this but you literally have a podcast where you talk to people every week 168 00:13:09,340 --> 00:13:15,080 i i hope i'm not like there's a funny thing i don't want to drop that bomb on you this early 169 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:20,260 in the show but i'm pretty sure that you weren't you weren't supposed to tell him he doesn't know 170 00:13:20,260 --> 00:13:28,560 I know when Havoc came to me with this idea it's weird because I told him like I hate podcasts I 171 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:32,820 don't enjoy listening to them and I don't understand why people listened like why would 172 00:13:32,820 --> 00:13:37,240 somebody want to listen to a couple you know people like us talk about absolutely nothing 173 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:42,640 I don't get it but hey oh no no trust me I am very much having that I'm having that same internal 174 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:49,800 monologue right now like why would anybody want to deal with any of us but you know but like they 175 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:56,880 do and that's the thing it's a little bit different uh lx because uh well here's so for me 176 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:06,000 personally like i am uh i'm called an ambivert uh so i am i am a very introverted person 177 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:14,500 in quote unquote real life but i have a very extroverted job um and a lot of that is 178 00:14:14,500 --> 00:14:20,440 you know, not to get too like laying on a therapist couch about it, but like a lot, 179 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:26,160 a lot of that is like, I'm a people pleaser. So like, even though I don't like most people, 180 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:33,780 I still seek that approval and validation and Hey, you know, people dig me or Hey, 181 00:14:33,780 --> 00:14:38,980 you did a good job. So the reason I'm such a, uh, a workaholic or the reason I do so many 182 00:14:38,980 --> 00:14:44,760 different things is because I have different opportunities to, for me, also being a little 183 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:50,300 bit of a cynic now as I get older and realize that most people suck, which is fine. Thanks for 184 00:14:50,300 --> 00:14:58,440 listening, people. But also there's a better than 50-50 chance that you probably suck. But please 185 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:04,120 like and subscribe. But that's the dichotomy, right? That's sort of the world that we're trying 186 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:09,880 to like navigate where it's like well most of you i don't want to deal with but also please listen to 187 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:17,400 my nonsense yeah i mean there's there's definitely a bit of that that goes on i suppose right i i 188 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:26,800 enjoy it i have fun doing it i my career is is largely uh it's similar to the to yours in nature 189 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:34,340 in that you know my take like i live on a little farm away from people and you sell you sell your 190 00:15:34,340 --> 00:15:40,100 feet on only fans how'd you know you said it was just like me i just i didn't know how much 191 00:15:40,100 --> 00:15:46,960 you guys did see that's how we met actually no but like i can literally sit here and not leave 192 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:54,580 the property for months months and and i'm happy doing that but my job puts me in front of people 193 00:15:54,580 --> 00:16:02,140 frequently with this job or no like this i always love when people say and not to cut you off i will 194 00:16:02,140 --> 00:16:09,060 do that the adhd like so people all the time are like well what's your real job like it's one of 195 00:16:09,060 --> 00:16:15,720 the one of my favorite questions i'm like well this is my real job like find a way to do something 196 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:22,840 that you love and then find a way to get paid for it that's the book guys so every time i have a bad 197 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:30,240 day at work you know a bad uh a bad show or you know a guy yelling free bird at me for three hours 198 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:37,200 straight on stage you have to just like deal with and for some reason that guy comes to all of my 199 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:42,760 shows thank you for your support shut up but like i might feel bad for doing that to somebody 200 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:48,320 listen i'm glad you show up man thank you again thank you for supporting uh entertainers and 201 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:53,960 the arts and stuff. Like every time I have like that kind of day or I'm, or I have a bad travel 202 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:59,680 day, you know, I remind myself that I could be waking up at seven o'clock in the morning and 203 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:05,240 putting on a shirt and tie and going to sit in a cubicle at a job that I hate, like a lot of people 204 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:10,860 do. And then it's a little bit better. You know, it's, it just, it's, I like this because I, it 205 00:17:10,860 --> 00:17:19,980 helps me maintain that sort of perspective on like yeah people are terrible sometimes but also 206 00:17:19,980 --> 00:17:25,780 this is pretty nice comparatively to a lot of people that don't like their jobs at all like i 207 00:17:25,780 --> 00:17:31,580 love this mostly i mean i say people are terrible until i actually meet them and then i'm usually 208 00:17:31,580 --> 00:17:37,860 you know like then i have more friends that's a whole other thing you know like i always say i 209 00:17:37,860 --> 00:17:44,380 got enough friends but then they get my life and then I you know have to do all that stuff well I 210 00:17:44,380 --> 00:17:51,360 mean it's one of the hard things uh that I I kind of realized as I've gotten older as well like 211 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:57,300 like you don't have that built-in network of like college friends or like I'm in a fraternity or 212 00:17:57,300 --> 00:18:01,900 you don't you know like as you get older like you realize like oh I haven't talked to my 213 00:18:01,900 --> 00:18:07,400 best friend in three months or whatever like that because life is happening he's got and he just had 214 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:14,120 a kid and my puppy's sick and you know whatever real life uh does happen and there's nothing wrong 215 00:18:14,120 --> 00:18:21,200 with that as long as you're making the effort to you know still like look I also like I built like 216 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:27,520 an amazing studio like where I don't have to leave the middle of nowhere uh where I live and I say 217 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:32,560 that as somebody who you know had a house in Key West for the past several years where I would 218 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:40,440 commute to work in Key West and that's far even, you know, by flight. But like, you know, 219 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:47,340 the alternative is, you know, I sit around and play video games all the time and I haven't figured 220 00:18:47,340 --> 00:18:53,700 out how to get paid to do that yet. However, you know, uh, I had a concept about like, 221 00:18:54,120 --> 00:19:00,380 like dads playing, uh, like video games and being terrible at them. Cause I am pretty terrible at 222 00:19:00,380 --> 00:19:06,440 like uh like i rage quit elden ring like eight times i'm like why am i even why am i doing this 223 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:14,100 this isn't fun you walk out of the first thing and like this knight just hacks you up like 224 00:19:14,100 --> 00:19:18,260 instantly like over and over again you're like what the like why people do this for fun like 225 00:19:18,260 --> 00:19:24,380 how is this fun like i'm not gonna play call of duty because as soon as you spawn like some guy 226 00:19:24,380 --> 00:19:28,740 shoots you in the face i'm like i just i'm not even alive yet and i'm dead already like why are 227 00:19:28,740 --> 00:19:36,560 like and this is why i there's an aspect to it that gets like that that's for sure spawn camping 228 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:42,920 is the worst though i mean that's just that's just bad behavior in my opinion bad form right 229 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,660 how i want to talk to their parents more than i want to be mad at them like who taught you who 230 00:19:46,660 --> 00:19:52,920 raised you like this like what kind of person i am so bad at first person shooter games i mean 231 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:53,920 Horrible. Horrible. 232 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,300 I can't stand them. 233 00:19:57,500 --> 00:19:57,880 Me too. 234 00:19:59,340 --> 00:20:00,920 See, the ones I like are 235 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,880 more kind of like RPG. 236 00:20:03,100 --> 00:20:04,440 Like Fallout, I love. 237 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:06,520 Borderlands, I mean, technically 238 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,400 they're first-person shooters, but I don't... 239 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:10,800 They're more like role-playing, 240 00:20:10,940 --> 00:20:12,700 kind of like stuff like that. So you have that 241 00:20:12,700 --> 00:20:14,880 additional component there 242 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,240 where I like them. 243 00:20:17,100 --> 00:20:18,460 I wish... 244 00:20:18,460 --> 00:20:20,920 I miss even games 245 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,500 like Destiny when 246 00:20:22,500 --> 00:20:24,800 before they started ruining that. 247 00:20:25,620 --> 00:20:30,240 Like, just for the, you know, I would get to play online 248 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:35,140 like with my friends that were bouncers at one of the places my band played. 249 00:20:35,500 --> 00:20:38,680 And we would like have three in the morning, like, you know, 250 00:20:38,780 --> 00:20:41,720 just even when we weren't playing at the venue, like we'd still like, 251 00:20:41,860 --> 00:20:42,980 we made friends, you know. 252 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:55,018 And we had that you know I don have that anymore Like I don have a squad I need a squad Help me be on my squad guys Find me on the Twitch and all that stuff 253 00:20:55,198 --> 00:20:57,198 Spiffy Sean, pretty much anywhere you Google it 254 00:20:57,198 --> 00:20:58,438 or tell Grok to find me. 255 00:20:58,438 --> 00:21:03,998 I'm apparently very findable, even from weird Nazi apps. 256 00:21:04,098 --> 00:21:06,238 Why would you use Grok, by the way, Havoc? 257 00:21:06,418 --> 00:21:09,678 I let it slide before, and I'm like... 258 00:21:09,678 --> 00:21:10,438 Here's the reason. 259 00:21:10,438 --> 00:21:17,038 And I generally don't like AI in general, which is weird considering my job. 260 00:21:17,678 --> 00:21:25,498 But signed up for Twitter X, whatever, for this. 261 00:21:26,318 --> 00:21:29,238 And wanted to get that verified badge. 262 00:21:29,238 --> 00:21:31,598 And, well, Grok comes along with that. 263 00:21:31,698 --> 00:21:36,998 And so I use Grok because it's there and doesn't have credits. 264 00:21:36,998 --> 00:21:39,718 And I don't have to deal with other stuff. 265 00:21:39,718 --> 00:21:43,178 And, you know, it can be pretty amusing at times. 266 00:21:44,478 --> 00:21:45,078 Wow. 267 00:21:45,698 --> 00:21:47,738 Yeah, actually, very, very amusing. 268 00:21:48,358 --> 00:22:03,878 It seems to me to be more able to flow through things that are controversial in nature without throwing up all over you. 269 00:22:05,158 --> 00:22:08,298 That's one way of putting it. 270 00:22:08,298 --> 00:22:08,698 All right. 271 00:22:08,698 --> 00:22:10,698 I mean, that's Alex. 272 00:22:11,358 --> 00:22:14,158 What do you think is your, I mean, you're laughing along with me. 273 00:22:14,158 --> 00:22:18,338 So I'm like, all right, well, listen, I'm a guy with my voiceover work. 274 00:22:18,338 --> 00:22:22,478 Like part of the, uh, a lot of what I do like with that is, uh, literally, uh, voice 275 00:22:22,478 --> 00:22:29,458 prompt things like where, uh, like I might be the voice of like, uh, Facebook in India 276 00:22:29,458 --> 00:22:31,618 when you do grok on there. 277 00:22:31,618 --> 00:22:33,478 Like, so a lot of like, okay. 278 00:22:33,538 --> 00:22:38,618 And a lot of that, uh, well, you got to do that in a world where. 279 00:22:38,698 --> 00:22:40,078 Well, I do. That's what I'm saying. 280 00:22:40,578 --> 00:22:42,058 Yeah, you're going to do that guy. 281 00:22:42,838 --> 00:22:48,858 Well, of all the weird things, that's one of them. 282 00:22:48,998 --> 00:22:52,178 But I do a really good Sam Elliott. 283 00:22:52,418 --> 00:22:53,698 I do all these... 284 00:22:53,698 --> 00:22:57,398 I've got a good broadcasting voice, 285 00:22:57,618 --> 00:23:01,378 but most of the work I get is not in my actual voice, 286 00:23:01,378 --> 00:23:03,978 if that makes sense, which is a little bit humbling. 287 00:23:03,978 --> 00:23:09,138 But for the Facebook AI, it is. 288 00:23:09,498 --> 00:23:22,458 Basically, they want you to read a bunch of these, like, you know, kind of sentences and stuff like that where they're doing, like, voice training, like, models where, like, people ask you questions and, you know, you have to talk about whatever it is. 289 00:23:22,978 --> 00:23:33,838 And, yeah, and my voice is on 11 Labs and a couple things like that, like, where you can literally hire my voice to, you know, talk about whatever you want to talk about. 290 00:23:33,838 --> 00:23:41,038 So I'm trying to like, you know, at least give a head nod to our eventual robot overlords and say, look, I was one of the good guys. 291 00:23:41,118 --> 00:23:42,218 I was I was one of the guys. 292 00:23:42,318 --> 00:23:43,498 That's my voice. 293 00:23:43,598 --> 00:23:45,838 You're you're killing people in my voice. 294 00:23:45,918 --> 00:23:50,318 I was I was the guy that when you're like, you have to come with me to the camp. 295 00:23:50,318 --> 00:23:53,458 I'm like, I'm I said, I mean, not me. 296 00:23:53,578 --> 00:23:55,818 One of the robot dogs with a machine gun on the back. 297 00:23:56,158 --> 00:23:57,798 It's going to come for you. 298 00:23:57,798 --> 00:24:05,238 Listen, if my dog wasn't sleeping on the couch, he, you know, he should be way more of a killer than he is. 299 00:24:05,298 --> 00:24:06,038 But he's not. 300 00:24:07,078 --> 00:24:10,798 He's also a bigger social media star than I am, which is a little humbling. 301 00:24:11,038 --> 00:24:13,418 But, you know, he's a good boy. 302 00:24:13,958 --> 00:24:15,358 Does he have his own socials? 303 00:24:15,858 --> 00:24:16,258 No. 304 00:24:16,258 --> 00:24:27,678 And like, I went back and forth about this just because, you know, I spent years making fun of people that made like, you know, a cat Instagram and whatever. 305 00:24:27,838 --> 00:24:28,398 You know what I mean? 306 00:24:28,418 --> 00:24:29,538 Like, don't do that. 307 00:24:29,898 --> 00:24:39,078 Like, but then also, you know, now I see the analytics and, you know, he's way more marketable than I am. 308 00:24:39,078 --> 00:24:43,858 So, and he doesn't have thumbs, so he can't help me carry my equipment and stuff like that. 309 00:24:43,878 --> 00:24:45,258 So at least he can make himself useful. 310 00:24:46,258 --> 00:24:51,778 probably a lot of treats probably not that great at editing either right he's not bad at that 311 00:24:51,778 --> 00:24:58,138 weirdly i mean for a for a puppy i say puppy he's almost three but like still looks like a puppy 312 00:24:58,138 --> 00:25:04,158 i got him because we both have like a baby face and we don't look our age and he gets it what kind 313 00:25:04,158 --> 00:25:11,078 of dog is he so he's a rescue uh but we did one of those uh those doggy dna things on him uh so 314 00:25:11,078 --> 00:25:13,218 he's a little more than half 315 00:25:13,218 --> 00:25:15,278 pit terrier, which you can 316 00:25:15,278 --> 00:25:17,258 see in his face. And if you 317 00:25:17,258 --> 00:25:18,858 stalk me on my 318 00:25:18,858 --> 00:25:20,998 social media, you will see a lot 319 00:25:20,998 --> 00:25:22,718 of, and his name 320 00:25:22,718 --> 00:25:24,358 to the bridge is 321 00:25:24,358 --> 00:25:27,278 Commander Data, is my dog's name. 322 00:25:27,718 --> 00:25:29,338 So, and he's 323 00:25:29,338 --> 00:25:31,058 Commander Data for a couple of reasons. 324 00:25:31,238 --> 00:25:33,498 A, I'm a huge nerd. I'm a 325 00:25:33,498 --> 00:25:35,298 90s kid who grew up 326 00:25:35,298 --> 00:25:36,958 with the next generation. 327 00:25:38,678 --> 00:25:39,338 He's got 328 00:25:39,338 --> 00:25:45,218 really, really like bright green eyes. So if you know anything about the actual data, so that tracks 329 00:25:45,218 --> 00:25:51,098 I, and my wife is actually a high school math teacher. So it's got this double meaning for her 330 00:25:51,098 --> 00:25:56,878 as a math teacher where data is sort of important for her as well. And then I got her into Star Trek 331 00:25:56,878 --> 00:26:02,818 and then she loved next generation. Uh, probably, uh, I think as far as the favorite series, 332 00:26:02,818 --> 00:26:13,338 series is series i series is i it's my it's my star trek yeah but yeah well awesome he's also 333 00:26:13,338 --> 00:26:18,418 raised on star trek or they mean you know next generation that was a thing when i was growing up 334 00:26:18,418 --> 00:26:26,138 i was been uh i was also raised on star trek yeah you have to be it was captain kirk 335 00:26:26,138 --> 00:26:34,098 probably no look no no shade on william shatner or anything but 336 00:26:34,098 --> 00:26:41,498 terrible terrible absolutely terrible just a little goofy looking back kirk kirk as far as 337 00:26:41,498 --> 00:26:51,278 the actor kirk like as far as like the i got yes so we need to do the thing well i mean him 338 00:26:51,278 --> 00:26:53,558 as far as like just Shatner in general. 339 00:26:53,558 --> 00:26:59,018 But like, so there's a really decent documentary. 340 00:26:59,398 --> 00:27:00,318 I think it's on Netflix. 341 00:27:00,438 --> 00:27:05,218 It might be on Amazon Prime talking about like the first, 342 00:27:05,458 --> 00:27:07,518 like kind of the initial, like, you know, the run 343 00:27:07,518 --> 00:27:11,478 and the, you know, kind of pushback they got from the studio 344 00:27:11,478 --> 00:27:15,158 and like Roddenberry's original vision for Star Trek 345 00:27:15,158 --> 00:27:18,738 and then how like the studio kind of almost wanted it 346 00:27:18,738 --> 00:27:26,798 to be like more campy you know or they had to do that because they you know gene had a lot of ideas 347 00:27:26,798 --> 00:27:31,798 and if you look back at the original series and and know some of the stories like a lot of the 348 00:27:31,798 --> 00:27:39,538 original series was uh a way for the and and really star trek through 55 years has been a way 349 00:27:39,538 --> 00:27:49,718 to sort of have like this social commentary that wasn't uh you know like on the nose like where you 350 00:27:49,718 --> 00:27:55,798 can say oh no this is happening in a galaxy far far away it has nothing to do with you know how 351 00:27:55,798 --> 00:28:01,938 you know segregated the 60s were and that's definitely not why uh we're showing this like 352 00:28:01,938 --> 00:28:08,118 xenophobia towards these people that look different or act different and you know like 353 00:28:08,118 --> 00:28:25,398 And if you're not a Star Trek fan and you understand like the first interracial kiss on television was Star Trek and and that was sort of by design, but it was they weren't allowed to do that or, you know, because that just wasn't a thing back then. 354 00:28:25,398 --> 00:28:30,538 But a lot of those concepts you can get away with if you go, oh, no, this is fantasy. 355 00:28:30,678 --> 00:28:35,818 This isn't like this has nothing to do with the current political environment or anything that's happening right now. 356 00:28:35,818 --> 00:28:42,798 this is uh you know these guys are in a different dimension so so it's okay to be nice to you know 357 00:28:42,798 --> 00:28:48,578 the black communications officer i will say that i mean kirk would bang green chicks i mean let's 358 00:28:48,578 --> 00:28:58,498 be honest i mean he was yeah with with the coxman he was the one thing that that always saddened me 359 00:28:58,498 --> 00:29:05,278 i'm just gonna throw this one out here if anyone from any star track you know produce production 360 00:29:05,278 --> 00:29:13,978 et cetera is listening hey man look you're missing out on a massive opportunity why has nobody brought 361 00:29:13,978 --> 00:29:22,998 tribbles back they oh i can answer that it's like come on those things were epically funny 362 00:29:22,998 --> 00:29:25,178 cool and problematic 363 00:29:25,178 --> 00:29:34,938 one of the newer things they did i remember now i and again this is you know 364 00:29:34,938 --> 00:29:36,038 it's, 365 00:29:36,038 --> 00:29:38,918 and thank you guys for having this show where, 366 00:29:38,918 --> 00:29:39,338 uh, 367 00:29:39,338 --> 00:29:41,538 it's a safe place for me as a, 368 00:29:41,538 --> 00:29:47,878 just an absolute nerd who also is a pretend rock star for a living to find 369 00:29:47,878 --> 00:29:49,278 like a safe place where I can go, 370 00:29:49,378 --> 00:29:49,918 uh, 371 00:29:49,938 --> 00:29:50,378 actually, 372 00:29:50,498 --> 00:29:50,758 uh, 373 00:29:50,758 --> 00:29:51,118 guys, 374 00:29:51,118 --> 00:29:51,578 uh, 375 00:29:51,578 --> 00:29:52,178 that was on, 376 00:29:52,218 --> 00:29:52,418 uh, 377 00:29:52,418 --> 00:29:53,178 the lower decks. 378 00:29:53,278 --> 00:29:54,338 That was one of the cartoons, 379 00:29:54,338 --> 00:29:54,738 uh, 380 00:29:54,798 --> 00:29:58,178 with the later animated series for star Trek where they brought the 381 00:29:58,178 --> 00:29:59,798 troubles back and like, 382 00:29:59,858 --> 00:30:00,578 that's where I see. 383 00:30:00,698 --> 00:30:01,618 That's where I saw it. 384 00:30:01,618 --> 00:30:01,798 Like, 385 00:30:01,878 --> 00:30:01,998 yeah, 386 00:30:01,998 --> 00:30:02,618 but that's, 387 00:30:02,618 --> 00:30:04,078 I got nerd cred. 388 00:30:04,078 --> 00:30:09,958 it could have been in next gen it could have been in a deep space nine would have been a perfect 389 00:30:09,958 --> 00:30:15,678 place to bring triples back perfect for some reason i think there was at least a reference 390 00:30:15,678 --> 00:30:20,798 at some point in deep space um and i i think a lot of that was 391 00:30:20,798 --> 00:30:27,598 listen i get mad when people call him captain cisco that's the level of star trek nerd i am 392 00:30:27,598 --> 00:30:34,318 him he's a commander all right he's starbase guy he was not like you know they didn't even give him 393 00:30:34,318 --> 00:30:41,918 a ship till like season six or whatever that was so like come on it's cool i didn't watch that one 394 00:30:41,918 --> 00:30:46,378 as much i did watch some of that one of course i watched voyager we all know why everybody watched 395 00:30:46,378 --> 00:30:48,218 Voyager. Seven of nine, baby. 396 00:30:48,358 --> 00:30:50,278 Seven of nine. Come on 397 00:30:50,278 --> 00:30:51,298 now. See, 398 00:30:51,738 --> 00:30:53,638 first of all, 399 00:30:54,138 --> 00:30:56,018 I understand as 400 00:30:56,018 --> 00:30:58,178 90s kids. Don't even pretend. 401 00:30:58,558 --> 00:31:00,018 Come on. No, no, no. 402 00:31:00,098 --> 00:31:02,358 That's okay. Listen, it's before 403 00:31:02,358 --> 00:31:04,298 porn on the internet was a 404 00:31:04,298 --> 00:31:06,378 thing. I guess it was a simpler time. 405 00:31:07,498 --> 00:31:08,398 I have a type. 406 00:31:09,258 --> 00:31:10,298 But I was a 407 00:31:10,298 --> 00:31:12,338 I was a Dax 408 00:31:12,338 --> 00:31:13,678 person. I liked 409 00:31:13,678 --> 00:31:15,758 Terry Farrell. 410 00:31:15,758 --> 00:31:20,758 Well, I liked her in, oh crap, back to school. 411 00:31:20,978 --> 00:31:22,098 I want to say old school, but that was, 412 00:31:22,798 --> 00:31:24,618 so the Rodney Dangerfield movie in the 80s. 413 00:31:25,438 --> 00:31:28,218 It's just a cute Burnett with like pretty eyes, you know. 414 00:31:29,638 --> 00:31:35,398 But 709 wasn't even on Voyager until season three, four. 415 00:31:36,238 --> 00:31:36,878 Something like that. 416 00:31:37,558 --> 00:31:43,758 See again, like I was more of a, 417 00:31:43,758 --> 00:31:46,698 I was more of a Chakotay guy than a Tom Paris guy. 418 00:31:46,838 --> 00:31:48,578 I mean, if you're going to. 419 00:31:53,138 --> 00:31:56,138 But I was a next generation guy. 420 00:31:56,698 --> 00:32:01,518 I think one of the first things I said to you guys was that Picard is the 421 00:32:01,518 --> 00:32:06,458 superior captain in the Star Trek universe just across the board. 422 00:32:07,758 --> 00:32:09,358 I'd actually have to agree with that. 423 00:32:09,358 --> 00:32:10,618 And I think it follows. 424 00:32:11,258 --> 00:32:12,378 It follows kind of. 425 00:32:12,378 --> 00:32:16,598 I want to meet somebody who argues who, what captain. 426 00:32:17,738 --> 00:32:20,738 No, because you think of like a naval captain, right? 427 00:32:20,798 --> 00:32:24,098 Which this is, you know, very similar to in nature. 428 00:32:24,498 --> 00:32:29,218 And they're well-read, very well-educated, very well-spoken. 429 00:32:29,218 --> 00:32:31,158 And he fits all of those, right? 430 00:32:31,258 --> 00:32:35,998 And his character just exudes that, you know? 431 00:32:36,378 --> 00:32:40,318 And you have confidence in what he says and how he says it. 432 00:32:40,318 --> 00:32:44,118 and how thoughtful he is about things, etc. 433 00:32:44,878 --> 00:32:47,058 Yeah, so I would agree. 434 00:32:47,538 --> 00:32:52,458 I do appreciate the fact that Roddenberry and more Rick Berman 435 00:32:52,458 --> 00:32:59,058 somehow figured out a way to, even in centuries from now, 436 00:32:59,058 --> 00:33:07,038 found a way to let Sir Patrick Stewart do Shakespeare during Star Trek. 437 00:33:07,358 --> 00:33:09,318 And he just knew it. 438 00:33:09,318 --> 00:33:10,938 you know, just rattle it off. 439 00:33:11,378 --> 00:33:12,518 That's a well-rug captain. 440 00:33:12,758 --> 00:33:13,218 You know what I mean? 441 00:33:13,218 --> 00:33:14,258 Like, those are the kind of guys 442 00:33:14,258 --> 00:33:15,638 I want commanding my ship. 443 00:33:16,658 --> 00:33:17,558 Oh, yeah, for sure. 444 00:33:17,638 --> 00:33:18,978 Is it weird to you when you watch stuff 445 00:33:18,978 --> 00:33:20,938 like the old Dune movies and he's in it 446 00:33:20,938 --> 00:33:22,918 and like, dude, that ain't Captain. 447 00:33:23,198 --> 00:33:23,698 There is. 448 00:33:23,838 --> 00:33:25,358 Like, I mean, he's Captain Picard, right? 449 00:33:25,358 --> 00:33:27,578 I think it might actually be called King Arthur. 450 00:33:27,698 --> 00:33:29,778 It might be the original, like, the OG, 451 00:33:30,438 --> 00:33:33,118 like, movie about that 452 00:33:33,118 --> 00:33:35,778 where he's just a knight, 453 00:33:36,158 --> 00:33:38,498 like, in, like, whatever. 454 00:33:38,498 --> 00:33:41,758 I'm like, John Luke Picard is fucking whatever. 455 00:33:41,918 --> 00:33:42,658 Like, yeah. 456 00:33:44,198 --> 00:33:49,998 But he was, it's hard because I've known Patrick Stewart for 40 years. 457 00:33:50,138 --> 00:33:53,198 I don't think he's aged at all somehow. 458 00:33:54,638 --> 00:33:58,398 I think he's 112 years old and still looks like, you know, 459 00:33:58,938 --> 00:34:01,538 like he should be commanding the Stargazer. 460 00:34:01,798 --> 00:34:02,578 Thank you, guys. 461 00:34:02,638 --> 00:34:04,638 I'm going to just, I'm going to give all my nerd cred, 462 00:34:04,858 --> 00:34:07,078 like, just hammering on. 463 00:34:07,078 --> 00:34:10,318 this guy? He did a great Professor X too 464 00:34:10,318 --> 00:34:11,878 I thought he was great in the X-Men movies 465 00:34:11,878 --> 00:34:13,998 I mean 466 00:34:13,998 --> 00:34:14,498 yeah 467 00:34:14,498 --> 00:34:18,318 that's kind of a role he built too 468 00:34:18,318 --> 00:34:19,578 so well 469 00:34:19,578 --> 00:34:22,158 not to transition 470 00:34:22,158 --> 00:34:23,598 to different nerd culture but 471 00:34:23,598 --> 00:34:26,158 Gandalf might be 472 00:34:26,158 --> 00:34:27,118 coming back to do 473 00:34:27,118 --> 00:34:29,618 some more 474 00:34:29,618 --> 00:34:31,478 X-Men stuff which 475 00:34:31,478 --> 00:34:33,518 he announced I think on Colbert 476 00:34:33,518 --> 00:34:36,078 or whatever and you know 477 00:34:36,078 --> 00:34:43,518 I mean, Lord of the Rings is my, that's my number one, like as a kid. 478 00:34:45,438 --> 00:34:46,798 Don't run out, Havoc. 479 00:34:47,418 --> 00:34:48,038 Yeah, same. 480 00:34:49,238 --> 00:34:55,718 You, sir, have, you need to spend about 15 hours in front of a television. 481 00:34:56,738 --> 00:35:00,598 Yeah, I know you probably didn't watch that episode, but yeah, I've never seen those movies. 482 00:35:00,958 --> 00:35:01,918 Right, yeah. 483 00:35:02,738 --> 00:35:04,198 I grew up with this. 484 00:35:04,418 --> 00:35:04,618 Well, guys. 485 00:35:04,618 --> 00:35:14,098 no i i grew up with this my my father actually got me uh the books 486 00:35:14,098 --> 00:35:21,638 and i had the og i had the og like first edition like uh like back in the somewhere in my family's 487 00:35:21,638 --> 00:35:29,158 cottage in geneva on lake ohio exists the original paperback copies of the lord of the rings and and 488 00:35:29,158 --> 00:35:35,798 i got to uh i got the opportunity so kind of you know hey look yeah being old whatever 489 00:35:35,798 --> 00:35:44,118 you know old people rule but hey i did get to go see the the very first lord of the rings the 490 00:35:44,118 --> 00:35:51,158 animated one in a movie theater i also got to see like the rank and mass like the old school like 491 00:35:51,158 --> 00:36:00,898 yes like frodo of the nine fingers like in the dumb 1976 or 77 or something i also got to see 492 00:36:00,898 --> 00:36:07,078 star lx can we swear on this thing got to see star wars yes do whatever you want i'm not i'm 493 00:36:07,078 --> 00:36:13,138 man fuck you guys hey fuck right off tell you i said yeah this mark the tape guys this is why i 494 00:36:13,138 --> 00:36:19,698 told alex to go fuck himself when we were talking about like old school rankin bass uh uh terrible 495 00:36:19,698 --> 00:36:23,718 animated Lord of the Rings from before I was born, but I still like, 496 00:36:24,278 --> 00:36:27,158 like in my head, my dumb ADHD brain where it's like, 497 00:36:27,218 --> 00:36:28,078 why am I good at trivia? 498 00:36:28,298 --> 00:36:33,918 Because I can go Frodo of the nine fingers and the ring of doom. 499 00:36:36,418 --> 00:36:36,858 Yeah. 500 00:36:37,518 --> 00:36:39,418 You should read the books, LX. 501 00:36:39,958 --> 00:36:42,818 It was really kind of cool though, because I, 502 00:36:42,918 --> 00:36:46,978 I had enjoyed the books and I, you know, I'm a kid, you know, 503 00:36:46,978 --> 00:36:49,638 I'm a little kid and I'm getting to go see this. 504 00:36:49,678 --> 00:36:50,038 And it was, 505 00:36:50,218 --> 00:36:50,538 you know, 506 00:36:50,538 --> 00:36:51,518 back then it was, 507 00:36:51,578 --> 00:36:52,718 it was pretty cool. 508 00:36:53,218 --> 00:36:54,278 It was pretty cool. 509 00:36:55,518 --> 00:36:56,578 So it's pretty cool. 510 00:36:56,578 --> 00:36:56,978 Obviously, 511 00:36:57,098 --> 00:36:57,298 I mean, 512 00:36:57,438 --> 00:36:58,078 the, 513 00:36:58,118 --> 00:36:59,218 the new ones are, 514 00:36:59,278 --> 00:37:05,138 are that I think they're probably the best screen adaptation of a, 515 00:37:05,258 --> 00:37:09,078 of a literary work that has ever been put out period. 516 00:37:09,258 --> 00:37:10,258 Slow down havoc. 517 00:37:10,358 --> 00:37:16,938 This is a whole different podcast about my half hour tirade about how Tom 518 00:37:16,938 --> 00:37:18,958 Bombadil and the Barrow Downs and a bunch of 519 00:37:18,958 --> 00:37:20,738 the things from the book didn't even make it. 520 00:37:21,118 --> 00:37:22,918 It's a 12-hour movie. You couldn't 521 00:37:22,918 --> 00:37:25,018 find at least a couple minutes to acknowledge 522 00:37:25,018 --> 00:37:27,138 these things in the book? Like, what are we doing here? 523 00:37:27,738 --> 00:37:28,698 No, I agree. 524 00:37:28,698 --> 00:37:29,718 But again, 525 00:37:29,978 --> 00:37:32,698 you know, I think... 526 00:37:32,698 --> 00:37:34,958 You just said it was the best adaptation 527 00:37:34,958 --> 00:37:36,798 ever. I think it is the best 528 00:37:36,798 --> 00:37:38,878 ever. That doesn't mean it was perfect. 529 00:37:39,578 --> 00:37:40,958 There are no perfect ones. 530 00:37:41,118 --> 00:37:42,818 And the Dune ones, in my opinion, are 531 00:37:42,818 --> 00:37:43,798 absolutely 532 00:37:43,798 --> 00:37:46,458 barf. Sorry. 533 00:37:46,938 --> 00:37:55,338 the newer ones are the newer ones the newer one is better a lot better but the the what was it 534 00:37:55,338 --> 00:38:00,178 they came out with the the one in the 80s or whatever and i was like that was just terrible 535 00:38:00,178 --> 00:38:05,038 i mean it was literally it captured like i don't know four pages out of the book or something 536 00:38:05,038 --> 00:38:14,038 books technology limitation that's what they tell you no it was time it's it's all time is what it 537 00:38:14,038 --> 00:38:19,818 is and the the lord of the rings they you know i guess you know a lot of back and forth and i think 538 00:38:19,818 --> 00:38:25,478 even self-funded quite a lot of it because they wouldn't they were like nobody's gonna watch a 539 00:38:25,478 --> 00:38:32,618 four-hour freaking movie yeah we will uh we'll watch the four-hour movie and then we will get 540 00:38:32,618 --> 00:38:38,518 the director's cut that where i want the other hour and a half you cut from the original four-hour 541 00:38:38,518 --> 00:38:46,698 movie like i i think i think they're better at it now um but i think the lord of the rings was 542 00:38:46,698 --> 00:38:51,338 actually one of the uh the weird catalysts where well two things first of all i think that was 543 00:38:51,338 --> 00:38:57,658 almost the predecessor to what we would refer to as binge watching now where it's like what do you 544 00:38:57,658 --> 00:39:03,638 mean you're gonna sit down and watch 12 hours of it like i got nothing going on on sunday let's go 545 00:39:03,638 --> 00:39:06,158 You know, they do with Star Wars, too. 546 00:39:06,258 --> 00:39:10,598 They do, you know, like there's there's other like kind of like franchises where you could do that with. 547 00:39:11,218 --> 00:39:16,438 But that was the first time any anybody had really kind of like lined it up the way they did. 548 00:39:17,078 --> 00:39:24,518 Listen, I'm one of those guys like Peter Jackson did as great a job as anybody could do with that. 549 00:39:24,898 --> 00:39:26,238 I firmly believe. 550 00:39:26,238 --> 00:39:33,678 but because I was also like a Game of Thrones guy and watched George R.R. Martin just punt, 551 00:39:34,078 --> 00:39:38,878 just be like, oh my God, I wrote something that people like, and I'd be like, well, nevermind. 552 00:39:38,878 --> 00:39:39,878 I'll just... 553 00:39:41,758 --> 00:39:46,878 That last season, really? I mean... 554 00:39:47,438 --> 00:39:53,698 Yeah, the last season was bad. That last episode was probably the worst finish to anything. 555 00:39:53,698 --> 00:39:56,998 well maybe Dexter beat it but other than that 556 00:39:56,998 --> 00:40:00,078 just like absolutely terrible 557 00:40:00,078 --> 00:40:03,718 no because they can bring Dexter back and I think they tried to 558 00:40:03,718 --> 00:40:03,918 right? 559 00:40:06,258 --> 00:40:08,238 well listen 560 00:40:08,238 --> 00:40:12,878 there's a certain place in my heart for 561 00:40:12,878 --> 00:40:15,758 finales that are that bad where people are like 562 00:40:15,758 --> 00:40:18,178 oh no we gotta try this again 563 00:40:18,178 --> 00:40:22,838 there's literally new Game of Thrones 564 00:40:22,838 --> 00:40:25,678 offshoot on now 565 00:40:25,678 --> 00:40:27,418 that I heard is actually really good, by the way. 566 00:40:28,138 --> 00:40:29,378 I have not seen 567 00:40:29,378 --> 00:40:31,018 whatever, the Seven Kingdoms one 568 00:40:31,018 --> 00:40:32,978 that's out now. 569 00:40:33,438 --> 00:40:34,958 But I hear good things. 570 00:40:35,538 --> 00:40:36,998 Yeah, I haven't seen it either. 571 00:40:38,378 --> 00:40:39,498 But I hear good things. 572 00:40:39,738 --> 00:40:41,618 Which is better than I could say for 573 00:40:41,618 --> 00:40:43,738 that last episode 574 00:40:43,738 --> 00:40:45,218 of Game of Thrones. 575 00:40:45,778 --> 00:40:46,298 Goddamn. 576 00:40:47,378 --> 00:40:49,378 Yeah, I mean, that first season, man, 577 00:40:49,478 --> 00:40:51,358 that first season was punchy. 578 00:40:51,358 --> 00:40:58,698 I mean, you know, you just after about what six episodes in, you're like, OK, I think I get it now. 579 00:40:58,798 --> 00:41:03,758 If I like anyone, they're dead or mutilated or both. 580 00:41:04,698 --> 00:41:11,338 Listen, I hate to be at this point in my life and still have this level of trust issue. 581 00:41:11,598 --> 00:41:17,038 But I do because it was like three episodes in a Game of Thrones or whatever they get. 582 00:41:17,038 --> 00:41:20,618 I literally turn to my wife. I'm like, ah, he's the main character. 583 00:41:20,618 --> 00:41:23,618 There's no way they're gonna oh my god, they cut his head off. What? 584 00:41:23,618 --> 00:41:26,018 What the fuck? Oh, I got 585 00:41:26,018 --> 00:41:27,938 Yeah 586 00:41:27,938 --> 00:41:30,298 I mean 587 00:41:30,298 --> 00:41:52,096 There something glorious to that in my eyes but at the same time man it was it was a little like you can do that that not how these things work you breaking the formula man i mean well so that and then the uh the red wedding are and listen 588 00:41:52,096 --> 00:42:01,676 the last season sucked all the dicks but like to have a show that had without argument two of 589 00:42:01,676 --> 00:42:10,536 the all-time like best like television moments two of the most talked about television moments 590 00:42:10,536 --> 00:42:18,636 uh in the history of television especially in the 2000s where we don't consume uh media the 591 00:42:18,636 --> 00:42:23,856 way we used to where we don't only have like four channels anymore there's a lot of options out there 592 00:42:23,856 --> 00:42:31,916 so to have a sort of a pop culture like oh my god did you see the red wedding oh you know 593 00:42:31,916 --> 00:42:39,976 and have that be something that sort of like that's the water cooler conversation is uh 594 00:42:39,976 --> 00:42:47,336 that it's an accomplishment uh i mean not not the you know maybe not for the right reasons but 595 00:42:47,336 --> 00:42:53,716 that's a whole different podcast but like people talked about that uh about how uh to your point 596 00:42:53,716 --> 00:43:01,496 havoc like how much that was not the formula like or how much like you know oh this was the star of 597 00:43:01,496 --> 00:43:08,456 the show and he's gone like and we just started like we just started liking this guy a little 598 00:43:08,456 --> 00:43:15,276 by season three every time like uh uh my wife would turn to me go oh he's oh he's i like that 599 00:43:15,276 --> 00:43:21,256 guy a lot i'm like well he'll be dead in two episodes because if you like him he's about to 600 00:43:21,256 --> 00:43:31,536 die like and it was and he i blame uh i blame a plane crash on gray's anatomy where mc steamy 601 00:43:31,536 --> 00:43:37,476 uh in his character arc like he just started not being a womanizing piece of shit and then 602 00:43:37,476 --> 00:43:42,656 as soon as he was like i want to just be a normal guy and i like you a lot it was like well now 603 00:43:42,656 --> 00:43:50,116 your plane crashed also the actual actor just passed away at like 53 years old or like at als 604 00:43:50,116 --> 00:43:51,276 Eric Dean 605 00:43:51,276 --> 00:43:53,496 shout out guys 606 00:43:53,496 --> 00:43:55,696 shout out McSimi 607 00:43:55,696 --> 00:43:57,556 he was the one that 608 00:43:57,556 --> 00:44:00,576 chose his own 609 00:44:00,576 --> 00:44:02,436 date correct 610 00:44:02,436 --> 00:44:04,656 I don't know that 611 00:44:04,656 --> 00:44:05,276 did he? 612 00:44:05,276 --> 00:44:06,716 I think so 613 00:44:06,716 --> 00:44:08,916 I want to say maybe not 614 00:44:08,916 --> 00:44:10,576 maybe I'm thinking of someone else 615 00:44:10,576 --> 00:44:12,556 in fact 616 00:44:12,556 --> 00:44:14,116 now I'm thinking about it 617 00:44:14,116 --> 00:44:16,356 I'm thinking of someone else 618 00:44:16,356 --> 00:44:18,116 sorry 619 00:44:18,116 --> 00:44:22,316 Right. My brain convoluted to another ALS person. 620 00:44:22,816 --> 00:44:26,976 Listen, man. Hey, this is why we don't drink Jagerbombs. 621 00:44:27,136 --> 00:44:28,696 Because you get distracted, Havoc. 622 00:44:28,856 --> 00:44:32,096 I mean, sometimes you get a little confused and that's fine. 623 00:44:32,776 --> 00:44:33,396 It's the age. 624 00:44:33,396 --> 00:44:36,536 No, man. If we get older, our minds don't work the same. 625 00:44:36,636 --> 00:44:38,396 It's like your hard drive, right? 626 00:44:39,096 --> 00:44:39,996 It's been there. 627 00:44:40,276 --> 00:44:42,016 Not my hard drive. Shut up. Shut up. 628 00:44:42,016 --> 00:44:46,616 You've been away for like eight years and it's got that little clicking sound. 629 00:44:46,616 --> 00:44:49,576 and you're like, hmm, and you go to access that one file 630 00:44:49,576 --> 00:44:51,836 and it's like, ah, I can't open this, it's corrupt. 631 00:44:51,996 --> 00:44:53,916 And you're like, ah, that's my brain now. 632 00:44:54,516 --> 00:44:55,116 That one file? 633 00:44:56,196 --> 00:44:56,596 Yeah. 634 00:44:56,756 --> 00:44:57,496 That one file? 635 00:44:57,636 --> 00:44:58,556 Is that the one file? 636 00:44:59,576 --> 00:45:01,076 That's the memories in there. 637 00:45:01,276 --> 00:45:04,096 The one you keep accessing over and over again, Havoc? 638 00:45:04,136 --> 00:45:05,656 Is that the file we're talking about? 639 00:45:05,816 --> 00:45:06,296 I mean, is that? 640 00:45:07,076 --> 00:45:08,796 That container is very safe. 641 00:45:10,476 --> 00:45:11,816 Where the hard drive out? 642 00:45:11,916 --> 00:45:13,476 Like where the hard drive, I can't even get, 643 00:45:13,576 --> 00:45:14,556 I can't read that anymore. 644 00:45:14,556 --> 00:45:17,116 where it's just been just pounding. 645 00:45:17,976 --> 00:45:21,356 Alex, I gotta ask this because this is just for me 646 00:45:21,356 --> 00:45:23,596 and not to interview you guys for a minute, 647 00:45:23,676 --> 00:45:26,736 but like, so you have a bunch of like Nintendo games behind you. 648 00:45:27,216 --> 00:45:32,716 And so that was like, you know, I was a kid 649 00:45:32,716 --> 00:45:34,576 and, you know, I'm a Zelda guy. 650 00:45:36,716 --> 00:45:37,896 Contra or Castlevania? 651 00:45:38,136 --> 00:45:38,536 Pick one. 652 00:45:42,416 --> 00:45:44,536 Contra, just because I knew the Konami code 653 00:45:44,536 --> 00:45:51,076 And I thought how like baller I was that I could have 30 lives and get 654 00:45:51,076 --> 00:45:51,696 through that game. 655 00:45:52,796 --> 00:45:53,196 Baller. 656 00:45:53,256 --> 00:45:54,236 You could beat it without dying. 657 00:45:54,876 --> 00:45:55,696 That's real baller. 658 00:45:56,016 --> 00:45:56,616 All right. 659 00:45:56,676 --> 00:45:59,236 I'm not trying to measure dicks on your podcast. 660 00:45:59,356 --> 00:46:02,796 I was just trying to make a thing like, I'm sorry, nine-year-old me. 661 00:46:03,696 --> 00:46:05,336 Anyway, didn't mean to interrupt you. 662 00:46:06,076 --> 00:46:09,136 I needed a little bit of up, up, up, down, down, you know, and, 663 00:46:09,136 --> 00:46:14,176 and really people don't we all just need a little up, up, down, down. 664 00:46:14,536 --> 00:46:15,716 Left, right, left, right. 665 00:46:16,916 --> 00:46:19,276 I mean, at the end of the day. 666 00:46:19,796 --> 00:46:20,676 A little cheat code. 667 00:46:22,456 --> 00:46:23,336 Combo move. 668 00:46:23,816 --> 00:46:28,856 I wish there was, again, not to be all philosophical about it. 669 00:46:28,956 --> 00:46:30,836 Like, God, I wish there was a life hack. 670 00:46:30,996 --> 00:46:33,136 It was like, oh, no, I know the thing. 671 00:46:33,876 --> 00:46:34,556 Up, up, and down. 672 00:46:35,616 --> 00:46:36,556 I get the job. 673 00:46:36,796 --> 00:46:37,076 Yay. 674 00:46:41,016 --> 00:46:42,056 Probably a contra guy. 675 00:46:42,116 --> 00:46:43,016 I love Castlevania. 676 00:46:43,016 --> 00:46:45,056 It was the first side-scroll 677 00:46:45,056 --> 00:46:47,296 story game 678 00:46:47,296 --> 00:46:48,536 that existed back then. 679 00:46:49,736 --> 00:46:51,356 Ghosts and Goblins, actually. 680 00:46:51,536 --> 00:46:52,456 If you're going to do 681 00:46:52,456 --> 00:46:55,156 a side-scroll just for that. 682 00:46:55,356 --> 00:46:56,556 That's just too difficult. 683 00:46:57,736 --> 00:46:59,196 You think that's too difficult? 684 00:46:59,436 --> 00:47:00,496 Well, that's 685 00:47:00,496 --> 00:47:02,356 nuts. 686 00:47:03,976 --> 00:47:05,696 If you finish it, you've got to do it again 687 00:47:05,696 --> 00:47:07,616 to actually get the real ending. That's the worst part 688 00:47:07,616 --> 00:47:09,616 about it. It's not the worst part 689 00:47:09,616 --> 00:47:11,496 about it. Metroid 690 00:47:11,496 --> 00:47:12,356 was like that. 691 00:47:13,016 --> 00:47:21,916 Do you remember how excited you were when Shamus took her thing off and it was like, oh, my God, it's a chick the entire time. 692 00:47:22,936 --> 00:47:30,496 It's like the first like reveal like ever was like, oh, my God, I was I was a whole time I was killing things. 693 00:47:31,456 --> 00:47:32,816 Yeah, that wasn't a thing back then. 694 00:47:33,216 --> 00:47:37,036 This is way before, like, you know, whatever. 695 00:47:38,076 --> 00:47:38,816 No politics. 696 00:47:38,816 --> 00:47:39,636 We're having too much fun. 697 00:47:39,636 --> 00:47:45,396 we didn't even get into the wrestling thing 698 00:47:45,396 --> 00:47:46,916 I thought we were going to have to 699 00:47:46,916 --> 00:47:49,376 have to get into that 700 00:47:49,376 --> 00:47:51,296 and say hey man we need you to do a little 701 00:47:51,296 --> 00:47:52,636 color in this episode brother 702 00:47:52,636 --> 00:47:54,896 give a little blise to the fist over his head 703 00:47:54,896 --> 00:47:57,156 the fact that you 704 00:47:57,156 --> 00:47:58,376 are the carny is 705 00:47:58,376 --> 00:48:03,096 I mean I was going to say 706 00:48:03,096 --> 00:48:05,176 I want to say off putting but it's 707 00:48:05,176 --> 00:48:07,576 not because it's 2026 and everybody 708 00:48:07,576 --> 00:48:09,336 knows that but 709 00:48:09,336 --> 00:48:18,496 The only reason I know that is because I live in Tampa and driving a truck, I had to listen to Bubba all, you know, like every day because that's all that was on. 710 00:48:18,496 --> 00:48:20,016 Oh my God, that was Bubba the Love Sponge? 711 00:48:20,716 --> 00:48:21,596 That was, yes. 712 00:48:23,056 --> 00:48:24,816 He's a horrible human being, but. 713 00:48:24,936 --> 00:48:25,876 No, I mean. 714 00:48:26,156 --> 00:48:30,676 When you're stuck in a vehicle for 12 hours a day, you need something to do. 715 00:48:33,176 --> 00:48:36,616 Bang your wife, apparently, if you're a Bubba fan. 716 00:48:38,056 --> 00:48:38,496 Right? 717 00:48:39,336 --> 00:48:41,796 does Havoc know anything about what we're talking about 718 00:48:41,796 --> 00:48:42,736 by the way Havoc where you're 719 00:48:42,736 --> 00:48:43,536 I have no idea 720 00:48:43,536 --> 00:48:47,236 I just want to make sure how down a rabbit hole we are right now 721 00:48:47,236 --> 00:48:47,836 about like 722 00:48:47,836 --> 00:48:50,996 Hulk Hogan having sex with my wife 723 00:48:50,996 --> 00:48:53,696 I just want to make sure that we are all on the same page here 724 00:48:53,696 --> 00:48:55,236 because I want the metadata to 725 00:48:55,236 --> 00:48:57,456 I want this to pop on when your podcast 726 00:48:57,456 --> 00:48:59,576 go Hulk Hogan has 727 00:48:59,576 --> 00:49:00,896 sex with wife and that's 728 00:49:00,896 --> 00:49:03,636 whatever that's the clip that we have 729 00:49:03,636 --> 00:49:04,496 no 730 00:49:04,496 --> 00:49:07,476 let me tell you something brother 731 00:49:07,476 --> 00:49:13,056 But my wrestling knowledge is fairly limited, and it is very, very old. 732 00:49:13,236 --> 00:49:20,756 So we're talking like Andre the Giant, Shawn Michaels, Hulk Hogan, people like that. 733 00:49:21,616 --> 00:49:23,956 Did Hulk Hogan have sex with your wife as well? 734 00:49:24,736 --> 00:49:26,436 No, no, no. 735 00:49:27,816 --> 00:49:31,216 You're not everybody as close from this conversation as you think you are. 736 00:49:31,216 --> 00:49:34,016 Just so you know, you're pretty close. 737 00:49:34,536 --> 00:49:34,876 Okay. 738 00:49:35,876 --> 00:49:36,836 On my way. 739 00:49:37,476 --> 00:49:42,316 So Bubba the Love Sponge is a radio DJ in Tampa, and his best friend was Hulk Hogan. 740 00:49:43,116 --> 00:49:47,256 And apparently he let Hulk Hogan bang his wife and then videotape. 741 00:49:47,356 --> 00:49:48,956 Well, apparently there's actual footage. 742 00:49:49,256 --> 00:49:50,756 There's no alleged for this. 743 00:49:50,836 --> 00:49:51,696 This isn't a thing. 744 00:49:52,856 --> 00:49:58,356 And then Bubba's producer took the tape and went to the media with it, supposedly, I guess. 745 00:49:59,516 --> 00:49:59,996 Allegedly. 746 00:49:59,996 --> 00:50:13,096 So that part we can allegedly where pretty sure Bubba was the guy that did it because Bubba's a worker, even though he's not a worker, but like Bubba knew this is going to get some headlines here. 747 00:50:14,376 --> 00:50:18,996 Yeah, I was going to say that's, yeah, pageantry right there. 748 00:50:18,996 --> 00:50:30,276 the pomp and circumstances but um no uh so i i got uh one of my mentors uh my mentor the mentor 749 00:50:30,276 --> 00:50:40,336 uh for me in wrestling is uh samu and uh if you know uh old wrestling uh the wild samoans 750 00:50:40,336 --> 00:50:45,796 uh it's afa and sika and then eventually they brought a third samoan that was samu 751 00:50:45,796 --> 00:50:52,936 so those guys used to literally wrestle Andre the Giant and Hulk Hogan and all those guys in 752 00:50:52,936 --> 00:51:00,016 the early 80s and stuff like that so when I got to travel with Samu a lot of the stories I learned 753 00:51:00,016 --> 00:51:08,876 were you know I and and he was like 17 at that time this is before like whatever he was very 754 00:51:08,876 --> 00:51:11,896 Samoan and they don't typically look 17. 755 00:51:12,496 --> 00:51:15,996 They pretty much are fully formed out of the womb. 756 00:51:17,976 --> 00:51:25,536 But getting a chance to kind of hear those stories and learn from those stories is an 757 00:51:25,536 --> 00:51:32,176 experience that, so the reason I still try to be involved in wrestling is because it 758 00:51:32,176 --> 00:51:37,116 is above almost anything else my passion. 759 00:51:37,116 --> 00:52:07,096 It's one of the few places as an awkward president of the Dungeons and Dragons Club in my high school, Star Trek The Next Generation, yell at you about not understanding first age Isildur things in Lord of the Rings. 760 00:52:07,116 --> 00:52:13,776 or the token bestidiary that I also have somewhere. 761 00:52:15,736 --> 00:52:18,576 So that level of nerd, I guess, 762 00:52:19,716 --> 00:52:26,856 it's an area that I believe I have way more credibility 763 00:52:26,856 --> 00:52:29,896 than I do almost anywhere else. 764 00:52:30,956 --> 00:52:33,196 I am, and this is, again, 765 00:52:33,936 --> 00:52:36,596 for people listening of different generations, 766 00:52:37,116 --> 00:52:41,076 This is before it was okay to be a nerd, just so you know. 767 00:52:41,216 --> 00:52:49,496 So when I talk about this, and it seems like I'm saying this in some sort of derogatory manner, I'm not. 768 00:52:50,216 --> 00:52:59,816 But back then, 30 years ago, they were shoving the president of the D&D club in the lockers. 769 00:53:00,196 --> 00:53:01,176 Now it's super cool. 770 00:53:02,056 --> 00:53:04,216 Thank you, Stranger Things and whatever. 771 00:53:04,216 --> 00:53:09,976 but like you know now it's you know a little more mainstream wrestling is one of those things that 772 00:53:09,976 --> 00:53:18,316 has been at points mainstream uh that it's not uh it's getting there again but like 773 00:53:18,316 --> 00:53:25,856 like my uh my experience with wrestling was uh the mid-90s really as i was kind of a teenager 774 00:53:25,856 --> 00:53:31,556 where it was like that was the rock and stone cold steve austin and that era the attitude era 775 00:53:31,556 --> 00:53:35,656 of wrestling when wrestling was mainstream popular. 776 00:53:36,616 --> 00:53:39,956 To Havoc's point, that was the early 80s 777 00:53:39,956 --> 00:53:41,936 where also that was kind of a wrestling boom. 778 00:53:42,316 --> 00:53:43,896 That was 15 years before that. 779 00:53:43,956 --> 00:53:46,296 That was Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant 780 00:53:46,296 --> 00:53:49,496 and Macho Man and all that era. 781 00:53:50,716 --> 00:53:54,576 But that's, you know, it's entertaining. 782 00:53:55,736 --> 00:53:56,676 You know, it should be. 783 00:53:56,676 --> 00:54:00,056 but those were the people that 784 00:54:00,056 --> 00:54:04,516 as I broke into the actual wrestling business 785 00:54:04,516 --> 00:54:09,336 I was super excited to get to 786 00:54:09,336 --> 00:54:12,976 just meet first of all 787 00:54:12,976 --> 00:54:16,416 but then also kind of like learn from 788 00:54:16,416 --> 00:54:19,176 experience 789 00:54:19,176 --> 00:54:24,136 those guys that had their experiences 790 00:54:24,136 --> 00:54:26,076 with Andre the Giant. 791 00:54:26,396 --> 00:54:28,356 And like, oh, I wrestled a six-man 792 00:54:28,356 --> 00:54:32,036 with Andre and Hulk and Bruno San Martino. 793 00:54:32,316 --> 00:54:34,356 It was me and my dad and my uncle 794 00:54:34,356 --> 00:54:36,616 against, you know, 795 00:54:37,476 --> 00:54:39,316 three of the biggest icons ever in wrestling. 796 00:54:40,836 --> 00:54:42,296 And that's awesome to, 797 00:54:44,296 --> 00:54:46,576 like, I think there's a certain obligation 798 00:54:46,576 --> 00:54:50,356 to sort of pass that on 799 00:54:50,356 --> 00:54:53,216 if you have the opportunity to do so. 800 00:54:54,136 --> 00:54:59,476 One of my music friends earlier in my career taught me about paying it forward. 801 00:55:00,376 --> 00:55:06,616 And, you know, Alex talked about, you know, cover bands or music and entertainment in general. 802 00:55:06,616 --> 00:55:13,536 Like there's a certain ego involved in a lot of that. 803 00:55:14,416 --> 00:55:22,936 So the initial kind of like thought is screw that guy, you know, give me the job. 804 00:55:22,936 --> 00:55:27,336 or he's not as good as I am, or he's not as, you know, whatever. 805 00:55:28,376 --> 00:55:34,476 But it's a wrong premise, and it's a wrong premise 806 00:55:34,476 --> 00:55:40,516 because in most of these fields, podcasting included, by the way, 807 00:55:41,536 --> 00:55:47,596 art, and wrestling is art, is subjective. 808 00:55:47,596 --> 00:55:50,156 one of the reasons I love 809 00:55:50,156 --> 00:55:52,316 professional wrestling 810 00:55:52,316 --> 00:55:53,276 as much as I do 811 00:55:53,276 --> 00:55:56,736 one of the reasons I love music as much as I do 812 00:55:56,736 --> 00:55:58,376 is there 813 00:55:58,376 --> 00:55:59,876 is never going to be 814 00:55:59,876 --> 00:56:01,416 a time where 815 00:56:01,416 --> 00:56:03,516 I get off of 816 00:56:03,516 --> 00:56:05,136 I get off stage or 817 00:56:05,136 --> 00:56:08,136 I get out of a wrestling ring or 818 00:56:08,136 --> 00:56:09,416 whatever where I go 819 00:56:09,416 --> 00:56:11,896 well that was it 820 00:56:11,896 --> 00:56:13,816 that was the one guys that was 821 00:56:13,816 --> 00:56:15,956 that was the best 822 00:56:15,956 --> 00:56:24,256 ever that's ever going to be ever in anything because that's not that vibe. 823 00:56:24,636 --> 00:56:30,936 Like, so my background was sales or like, you know, real life things where it's like, 824 00:56:30,996 --> 00:56:35,176 cool, my job is to do mortgages or finance. 825 00:56:35,176 --> 00:56:39,576 So you have a, this is your sales goal. 826 00:56:39,776 --> 00:56:42,216 This is the sales quota. 827 00:56:42,216 --> 00:56:47,336 This is the record for the best salesperson that's ever done this ever. 828 00:56:47,676 --> 00:56:49,216 He did this. 829 00:56:50,456 --> 00:56:52,476 So then what happens when you beat that? 830 00:56:53,136 --> 00:56:53,936 Then what? 831 00:56:54,816 --> 00:56:56,616 What's like, where do you go from there? 832 00:56:57,096 --> 00:57:01,036 As the adult poster child for ADHD, I get bored. 833 00:57:02,176 --> 00:57:05,316 So one of the great things about wrestling, 834 00:57:05,396 --> 00:57:08,696 one of the reasons that it is my number one passion, 835 00:57:08,696 --> 00:57:16,736 my first love, is there's never going to be that, like, that was the one. 836 00:57:17,036 --> 00:57:20,376 Because it's art, and it is subjective. 837 00:57:20,716 --> 00:57:25,096 What I like as a wrestling fan might be vastly different 838 00:57:25,096 --> 00:57:28,336 than what somebody else likes as a wrestling fan. 839 00:57:28,456 --> 00:57:31,956 My Mount Rushmore, and we do this in wrestling a lot, 840 00:57:32,336 --> 00:57:37,296 who's your Mount Rushmore of, you know, best wrestlers or, you know, whatever. 841 00:57:37,296 --> 00:57:43,676 and it's always different it for me it's different literally on a day-to-day basis 842 00:57:43,676 --> 00:57:49,436 like depending on what i'm thinking about like as far as like like these are the the the guys 843 00:57:49,436 --> 00:57:57,756 and for somebody who has like sort of that you know like my brain uh which you know we call it 844 00:57:57,756 --> 00:58:04,256 neurodivergent is the actual word for it uh if you're looking it up but like but having like 845 00:58:04,256 --> 00:58:06,376 not a bad brain or whatever, 846 00:58:06,496 --> 00:58:06,576 like, 847 00:58:06,636 --> 00:58:08,536 just a different brain. 848 00:58:09,636 --> 00:58:09,696 Like, 849 00:58:10,656 --> 00:58:11,796 it keeps me, 850 00:58:14,016 --> 00:58:15,616 wrestling keeps me engaged 851 00:58:15,616 --> 00:58:18,496 more than anything else ever has. 852 00:58:19,416 --> 00:58:19,636 Like, 853 00:58:19,716 --> 00:58:20,336 video games are, 854 00:58:20,696 --> 00:58:21,676 I love video games 855 00:58:21,676 --> 00:58:22,276 because you can, 856 00:58:23,196 --> 00:58:23,396 you know, 857 00:58:23,396 --> 00:58:24,396 a lot of games where it's like, 858 00:58:24,736 --> 00:58:25,816 you can choose to be 859 00:58:25,816 --> 00:58:26,756 just a piece of shit 860 00:58:26,756 --> 00:58:27,616 in your video game 861 00:58:27,616 --> 00:58:28,196 and, like, 862 00:58:28,276 --> 00:58:29,456 that's your ending there. 863 00:58:29,536 --> 00:58:29,936 Or, like, 864 00:58:29,996 --> 00:58:30,316 you know, 865 00:58:31,296 --> 00:58:31,476 like, 866 00:58:31,516 --> 00:58:31,936 I gotta give, 867 00:58:32,056 --> 00:58:33,556 I wanna do Kingdom Come 868 00:58:33,556 --> 00:58:36,416 deliverance to again 869 00:58:36,416 --> 00:58:38,436 and just be just a dick 870 00:58:38,436 --> 00:58:39,416 the entire time. 871 00:58:40,136 --> 00:58:41,536 Oh, I did get to Ben Catherine. 872 00:58:41,876 --> 00:58:42,736 I mean, I did. 873 00:58:43,396 --> 00:58:44,096 All right with that. 874 00:58:44,156 --> 00:58:45,276 But I slaughtered a village 875 00:58:45,276 --> 00:58:45,876 and the other girl 876 00:58:45,876 --> 00:58:46,876 didn't want to have sex with me 877 00:58:46,876 --> 00:58:48,956 because I slaughtered a village. 878 00:58:48,956 --> 00:58:50,676 But I thought I had to do that 879 00:58:50,676 --> 00:58:52,316 because, you know, 880 00:58:52,436 --> 00:58:54,136 they were going to go tell people 881 00:58:54,136 --> 00:58:55,016 that we were there. 882 00:58:56,516 --> 00:58:57,516 My burning question, 883 00:58:57,596 --> 00:58:59,016 how does somebody get into wrestling? 884 00:58:59,136 --> 00:59:01,976 Is it like probably physical attributes 885 00:59:01,976 --> 00:59:03,316 have something to do with it? 886 00:59:03,316 --> 00:59:04,116 No, no. 887 00:59:04,256 --> 00:59:06,256 You have to know somebody or you just like knock on the door and say, 888 00:59:06,336 --> 00:59:07,156 yo, dog, let me in. 889 00:59:07,216 --> 00:59:07,816 I want to do this. 890 00:59:07,896 --> 00:59:10,396 No, my mom dropped me on my head a lot when I was a kid. 891 00:59:10,596 --> 00:59:14,756 And I figured, find a way to get paid for it. 892 00:59:15,716 --> 00:59:16,396 No, I'm kidding. 893 00:59:16,956 --> 00:59:19,156 I mean, she did, but no. 894 00:59:21,256 --> 00:59:23,356 Back then, it was different again. 895 00:59:23,596 --> 00:59:26,776 Like wrestling was a lot more sort of guarded. 896 00:59:27,176 --> 00:59:27,596 You know what I mean? 897 00:59:27,596 --> 00:59:32,856 Like the carnival, kind of like the behind the curtain thing wasn't as, 898 00:59:33,316 --> 00:59:39,256 known as it is now. And people all the time, you know, like, oh, wrestling's, you know, 899 00:59:39,256 --> 00:59:45,196 not real. And I always say this, and I will answer your question, but I want to make sure 900 00:59:45,196 --> 00:59:55,636 that as I do that, I sort of frame it in this way. If you play football, for example, 901 00:59:55,636 --> 00:59:58,176 and you're a running back 902 00:59:58,176 --> 01:00:02,016 and you hit the gap and you're running 903 01:00:02,016 --> 01:00:04,656 and you see a linebacker 904 01:00:04,656 --> 01:00:07,636 lining you up. 905 01:00:08,876 --> 01:00:10,416 He's about to lay you out 906 01:00:10,416 --> 01:00:12,756 as linebackers do 907 01:00:12,756 --> 01:00:16,016 if you have a solid A-gap run. 908 01:00:16,956 --> 01:00:20,196 Now, you know that guy's about to hit you. 909 01:00:21,416 --> 01:00:22,536 You know it's coming. 910 01:00:22,536 --> 01:00:32,576 it doesn't make it any less real when he hits you and that's that's sort of the 911 01:00:32,576 --> 01:00:41,736 simplistic analogy uh that i have for wrestling as a guy uh who has a triple fused neck 912 01:00:41,736 --> 01:00:49,696 turns out it is way more real uh than people think but uh i was a fan to your actual question 913 01:00:49,696 --> 01:00:56,976 LLX. I was a, you know, as a kid, again, that was the kind of the wrestling boom growing up was, 914 01:00:56,976 --> 01:01:03,016 you know, Shawn Michaels throwing Marty Jannetty through a barbershop window. And then, 915 01:01:03,016 --> 01:01:10,316 you know, you're hooked. It's the live action soap opera that's, you know, is sort of the 916 01:01:10,316 --> 01:01:18,056 predicate for like even UFC and all these like combat sports now that have, you know, 917 01:01:18,056 --> 01:01:21,576 the Conor McGregors of the world that are literally out there cutting wrestling 918 01:01:21,576 --> 01:01:24,056 promos, but they're doing it for the exact same reason. 919 01:01:24,196 --> 01:01:27,796 They're doing it to get people to buy tickets to the show. 920 01:01:27,956 --> 01:01:30,616 They're doing it to be like, I'm going to, I, you know what? 921 01:01:31,016 --> 01:01:35,356 I love Conor McGregor or they're doing it to go, you know what? 922 01:01:35,376 --> 01:01:37,596 That guy's an asshole and I hate him. I'm, 923 01:01:37,756 --> 01:01:39,936 I can't wait to see him get knocked out. I'm, 924 01:01:40,476 --> 01:01:42,716 but you're still buying the pay-per-view and that's, 925 01:01:43,396 --> 01:01:45,536 that all comes from professional wrestling, 926 01:01:45,536 --> 01:01:50,976 That level of showmanship and presentation was all way before its time. 927 01:01:51,676 --> 01:01:53,776 So that's sort of what I fell in love with growing up. 928 01:01:54,416 --> 01:01:58,456 To that point, I started out as a fan. 929 01:01:58,836 --> 01:02:09,736 But in the early days of the internet, I used to write like a wrestling column for a website called Scoops Wrestling. 930 01:02:09,736 --> 01:02:13,236 And then for a website called 411 Wrestling. 931 01:02:13,236 --> 01:02:20,856 in the early days of wrestling and the internet there were a few really big 932 01:02:20,856 --> 01:02:37,994 websites where a lot of people went and this is even before like the WWF at the time or WCW even had like an internet presence Like we were out there getting hundreds of thousands of like views because people that 933 01:02:37,994 --> 01:02:40,754 liked wrestling, there was nowhere else to really go for that. 934 01:02:41,334 --> 01:02:51,694 So I was at 16 years old as a high school student, like a, a fairly popular weekly columnist 935 01:02:51,694 --> 01:02:53,354 for wrestling. 936 01:02:53,354 --> 01:03:02,634 When I moved back to Pittsburgh, there was a local wrestling company that had a television show on. 937 01:03:03,574 --> 01:03:04,354 And this is like Saturday. 938 01:03:05,274 --> 01:03:08,354 So it was like shotgun Saturday night for like the WWF. 939 01:03:09,294 --> 01:03:16,374 And then a company called ECW had their wrestling show that was also on Saturday nights. 940 01:03:16,374 --> 01:03:24,634 but after that there was this local uh like uh regional wrestling company out of pittsburgh 941 01:03:24,634 --> 01:03:31,334 that had a television show and it turns out they were only about you know a half hour away from 942 01:03:31,334 --> 01:03:37,254 where i was you know staying with my grandma at the time so i went to one of their shows 943 01:03:37,254 --> 01:03:44,214 you know and i showed up you know like an 18 year old uh hustler back in the day havoc 944 01:03:44,214 --> 01:03:47,194 people of our generation that want to work. 945 01:03:47,814 --> 01:03:49,774 I showed up and was like, 946 01:03:50,414 --> 01:03:50,594 Hey, 947 01:03:50,634 --> 01:03:55,954 I'm so-and-so a couple of the wrestlers were aware of my existence because of 948 01:03:55,954 --> 01:03:56,374 my, 949 01:03:56,374 --> 01:03:57,434 uh, 950 01:03:57,494 --> 01:03:57,994 writing, 951 01:03:58,234 --> 01:03:58,574 uh, 952 01:03:58,574 --> 01:03:58,974 on, 953 01:03:59,134 --> 01:04:00,034 on the interwebs. 954 01:04:00,994 --> 01:04:01,454 I, 955 01:04:01,554 --> 01:04:01,874 uh, 956 01:04:02,514 --> 01:04:03,094 was like, 957 01:04:03,134 --> 01:04:03,294 Hey, 958 01:04:03,334 --> 01:04:03,774 can I, 959 01:04:04,854 --> 01:04:05,894 can I help? 960 01:04:05,954 --> 01:04:07,094 Can I be whatever? 961 01:04:08,054 --> 01:04:08,494 Um, 962 01:04:09,214 --> 01:04:09,814 so, 963 01:04:09,954 --> 01:04:10,234 you know, 964 01:04:10,234 --> 01:04:11,414 I did it the old school way, 965 01:04:11,414 --> 01:04:13,754 like your old paying your dues kind of way. 966 01:04:13,754 --> 01:04:14,034 Like, 967 01:04:14,214 --> 01:04:16,374 I swept the floors for a couple of weeks. 968 01:04:17,454 --> 01:04:28,054 The next TV taping, they needed somebody to do like a mean Gene Okerlund thing backstage where let me interview the wrestlers, you know, and just. 969 01:04:29,074 --> 01:04:31,954 So now I'm on TV at 18 years old. 970 01:04:32,014 --> 01:04:36,314 Now I'm on TV interviewing, you know, those guys or whatever like that. 971 01:04:36,794 --> 01:04:39,194 Then I did play by play and commentary. 972 01:04:39,194 --> 01:04:40,614 And I went to my undergrad. 973 01:04:40,814 --> 01:04:43,734 I went for broadcasting and that was what I thought I was going to do. 974 01:04:44,214 --> 01:04:48,734 back when I thought I had to figure out what I wanted to be, 975 01:04:48,974 --> 01:04:50,514 when and if I grew up. 976 01:04:51,814 --> 01:04:53,154 Now it's a trap, I know. 977 01:04:53,274 --> 01:04:54,954 But like back then, you know, 978 01:04:55,194 --> 01:04:58,294 grandma was telling me to get a job and figure out a career 979 01:04:58,294 --> 01:04:59,114 and all that stuff. 980 01:05:00,034 --> 01:05:03,994 So I'll be the new Steelers play-by-play guy, 981 01:05:04,994 --> 01:05:06,734 like most 18-year-olds. 982 01:05:07,334 --> 01:05:09,374 Or they want to be on CSI. 983 01:05:09,374 --> 01:05:11,454 I mean, back then it was, you want to be on CSI 984 01:05:11,454 --> 01:05:13,774 or you want to be like, you know, whatever. 985 01:05:13,774 --> 01:05:14,974 that you're a sports guy. 986 01:05:16,054 --> 01:05:18,174 At some point, they realized that I am, 987 01:05:19,014 --> 01:05:23,014 as you said, Havoc, you know, 6'1", 235, 988 01:05:23,054 --> 01:05:24,014 you know, at that point. 989 01:05:24,434 --> 01:05:26,374 I was a baseball player in college. 990 01:05:26,854 --> 01:05:29,734 Like, you know, like I'm holding up, guys. 991 01:05:29,794 --> 01:05:30,494 Thank you for noticing. 992 01:05:30,674 --> 01:05:30,994 I know. 993 01:05:31,094 --> 01:05:31,814 It's not just the hair. 994 01:05:31,994 --> 01:05:34,474 I'm, you know, the triple neck fusion 995 01:05:34,474 --> 01:05:38,074 and the lack of meniscus that I have, 996 01:05:38,134 --> 01:05:39,074 but I'm still doing okay. 997 01:05:39,794 --> 01:05:42,734 Yeah, but the hair lends, like, so much credibility. 998 01:05:43,774 --> 01:05:44,574 It's good for TV. 999 01:05:44,814 --> 01:05:45,394 I'm not going to lie. 1000 01:05:45,494 --> 01:05:50,174 It does, you know, does make me marketable in some circles. 1001 01:05:50,954 --> 01:05:54,834 But like, but back then, like it was, you know, do commentary. 1002 01:05:54,834 --> 01:05:59,214 And then they were like, hey, I was hanging out for like training sessions or whatever 1003 01:05:59,214 --> 01:06:06,754 like that, you know, hey, Sean, come in here and, you know, here, you know, you're a big 1004 01:06:06,754 --> 01:06:07,034 guy. 1005 01:06:07,374 --> 01:06:11,234 Be a, be our tackling dummy for training for the next six months. 1006 01:06:12,074 --> 01:06:13,714 And that's pretty much what it was. 1007 01:06:13,714 --> 01:06:18,134 It was pretty much some of the best wrestlers to come out of Pittsburgh. 1008 01:06:19,414 --> 01:06:29,994 A few of them in particular took pity on me or needed a guy that will let them keep dropping them on their head. 1009 01:06:30,334 --> 01:06:31,914 And I was eager to do so. 1010 01:06:33,894 --> 01:06:35,894 But I learned how to wrestle that way. 1011 01:06:35,894 --> 01:06:45,234 And then got an opportunity to, you know, go to West Virginia and, you know, wrestle in a battle royal and all that kind of stuff. 1012 01:06:45,234 --> 01:07:01,634 Like, as you know, again, this is a sort of the evolution of wrestling back then where the business was a little more guarded, a little more protected where, you know, you didn't have new people training that shouldn't be training. 1013 01:07:01,634 --> 01:07:05,794 I was lucky enough to kind of break in that way. 1014 01:07:05,874 --> 01:07:09,214 And that was back to the Samoan sort of thing. 1015 01:07:09,274 --> 01:07:15,594 Like I was lucky enough to get the opportunity to drive, you know, 1016 01:07:15,594 --> 01:07:17,954 because they're old school legends. 1017 01:07:18,114 --> 01:07:18,834 They don't want to drive. 1018 01:07:18,974 --> 01:07:19,594 They've been doing it. 1019 01:07:19,674 --> 01:07:22,394 They've been traveling the road for 30 years. 1020 01:07:23,134 --> 01:07:25,794 Hey, hey kid, here's the keys. 1021 01:07:26,254 --> 01:07:29,834 Take me to the show in Ohio and, you know, 1022 01:07:29,834 --> 01:07:35,154 I'll talk to the promoter and get you, uh, get you, get you a match like early, you know, you, 1023 01:07:35,194 --> 01:07:39,574 you can open the show, you can be the opening guy or whatever like that. And, but you get, 1024 01:07:39,674 --> 01:07:44,814 you get a chance to ride along with these guys that have the Andre, the giant stories or the 1025 01:07:44,814 --> 01:07:50,494 Hulk Hogan stories or the, the business used to be this way stories. And then you get a chance to 1026 01:07:50,494 --> 01:07:58,134 kind of like, um, to, to put that into like very trial by fire, very much like an actual, like, 1027 01:07:58,134 --> 01:07:59,994 Oh, we're doing the thing that you just talked about. 1028 01:08:00,914 --> 01:08:03,634 So that was, that was how I broke into the business. 1029 01:08:03,634 --> 01:08:07,154 It's not like that anymore, but you know, that's, 1030 01:08:07,214 --> 01:08:10,714 that's one of the things where like, and you probably know this havoc, 1031 01:08:10,714 --> 01:08:15,094 like you're a music guy and Alex was talking about death metal or whatever, 1032 01:08:15,094 --> 01:08:21,094 you know, like again, being subjective, like my dad would, 1033 01:08:21,094 --> 01:08:26,294 would, you know, big like Zeppelin, like Santana, 1034 01:08:26,554 --> 01:08:30,594 like very like 60s and 70s stuff that our dads listen to. 1035 01:08:31,154 --> 01:08:35,594 And he would go, you know, when I was listening to stuff I grew up on, 1036 01:08:35,634 --> 01:08:38,134 like Nirvana and Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains, 1037 01:08:38,214 --> 01:08:41,454 he'd be like, ah, that's not even music anymore. 1038 01:08:41,914 --> 01:08:43,854 You know, just like old wrestlers like, ah, 1039 01:08:43,894 --> 01:08:45,434 these kids aren't even wrestling anymore. 1040 01:08:45,534 --> 01:08:46,254 It's fucking bad. 1041 01:08:46,254 --> 01:08:49,874 But I think every generation has that exact argument. 1042 01:08:49,874 --> 01:08:52,234 Like we're now we're like, what the fuck? 1043 01:08:52,274 --> 01:08:53,054 These kids are listening. 1044 01:08:53,234 --> 01:08:54,534 It's not even music anymore. 1045 01:08:54,634 --> 01:08:55,074 Why is that? 1046 01:08:55,154 --> 01:08:59,314 You know, because we grew up on, you know, I find myself doing that. 1047 01:08:59,454 --> 01:08:59,654 Guilty. 1048 01:08:59,874 --> 01:09:00,034 Right. 1049 01:09:00,674 --> 01:09:07,654 I have to admit, though, you know, there has been a decline in in general. 1050 01:09:07,654 --> 01:09:19,654 I think when I look at music from like I love, you know, hippie music, I love the old psychedelic music, you know, old Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin. 1051 01:09:19,874 --> 01:09:46,594 Leplin, stuff like this. But I also, you know, I'm a big, you know, I guess I like, I'm a fan of bands. I'm a fan of musicians. Where I start to lose interest is when it's a person singing and a bunch of electronic, you know, drum beats added in and electronic mixing and sampling and things of that nature where I go, yeah, that's very, very talented editing. 1052 01:09:47,014 --> 01:09:48,414 What about Nine Inch Nails? 1053 01:09:48,414 --> 01:09:56,214 but what about them they're saying well that's pretty much it just one good one dude yeah and 1054 01:09:56,214 --> 01:10:03,114 and i've never i've never been i mean so was like i mean it's not like never been like but but like 1055 01:10:03,114 --> 01:10:09,754 nirvana was good you know um you know stone pimple toilets were pretty okay and you love 1056 01:10:09,754 --> 01:10:15,634 alice and chains i know you do no every time we get together you play them on your spotify like 1057 01:10:15,634 --> 01:10:20,314 it's the non-stop my man got to play with uh stone table pilots uh 1058 01:10:21,194 --> 01:10:27,574 gosh it's one of like 2011 uh we were young and we opened for those guys at like the amphitheater 1059 01:10:27,574 --> 01:10:35,334 in pittsburgh and wyland was sober and he was terrible you had to be like you had to be like 1060 01:10:35,334 --> 01:10:41,014 he was so much better when he was all whacked out you know but like no but like but to your 1061 01:10:41,014 --> 01:10:44,814 point you're saying the exact you're you're saying the same things like ah music is you know 1062 01:10:44,814 --> 01:10:51,554 it's all you know whatever and well find me name one band that has come out in the last 1063 01:10:51,554 --> 01:11:00,334 10 years that plays like zeppelin greta van fleet like literally like yeah almost exactly like like 1064 01:11:00,334 --> 01:11:07,914 glenn zeppelin right exactly greta van fleet yeah oh fleet okay i don't know him so you know 1065 01:11:07,914 --> 01:11:12,794 i enjoy that kind of don't ask if you're asking for music for the past 10 years and you don't 1066 01:11:12,794 --> 01:11:17,714 know the actual band that said the the first thing people were like every time every time i turn 1067 01:11:17,714 --> 01:11:24,754 something on on the radio it's not it's not that so that's that's my take on it right it's not 1068 01:11:24,754 --> 01:11:34,474 like i'm i guess yeah maybe i am just old fuddy no don't you dare havoc sir sir don't you dare 1069 01:11:34,474 --> 01:11:40,954 feel like you are perpetuating any stereotype about what i literally just made a point about no 1070 01:11:40,954 --> 01:11:49,854 no sir you're right your music is the best music and these guys aren't even they don't even play 1071 01:11:49,854 --> 01:11:54,994 instruments anymore havoc they don't even play their own instruments anymore dad i don't like i 1072 01:11:54,994 --> 01:12:01,054 generally don't like that i just don't i know that don't get me wrong like we're we're gonna go to 1073 01:12:01,054 --> 01:12:07,214 like some edm thing with with our oldest son and and i can vibe on that i can dig on it right um 1074 01:12:07,214 --> 01:12:13,714 under certain circumstances it becomes very good you have to be really high you have to be really 1075 01:12:13,714 --> 01:12:20,674 there's drugs that's that's gonna be there's yeah there you go so we're not advocating i'm just 1076 01:12:20,674 --> 01:12:26,854 saying if if you want to consume certain things you know there are ways to make that more enjoyable 1077 01:12:26,854 --> 01:12:33,674 yes the guy who's so you know i'm i'm very open i i like to think musically certain things don't 1078 01:12:33,674 --> 01:12:40,294 touch my ears but like i like classic classical music i like classic rock i like rock and roll i 1079 01:12:40,294 --> 01:12:47,034 like jazz to an extent when it gets discordious and stuff my brain doesn't pick that up and and 1080 01:12:47,034 --> 01:12:54,534 make it make sense uh and i i get the musical talent there but i can't can't really focus on 1081 01:12:54,534 --> 01:13:00,334 it i guess it's too but do you though i mean because here's here's the thing like like you 1082 01:13:00,334 --> 01:13:07,134 would look at somebody like like taylor swift and you would say well she's you know whatever 1083 01:13:07,134 --> 01:13:15,614 she's not playing her whatever but even though you know like i i had this argument all the time 1084 01:13:15,614 --> 01:13:20,234 where people go well that's not the you know they're not the best musicians well no the best 1085 01:13:20,234 --> 01:13:26,734 musicians are playing jazz and shit that nobody likes it doesn't like the best musicians are not 1086 01:13:26,734 --> 01:13:30,374 the most marketable musicians. It's why Britney Spears was a thing. 1087 01:13:31,154 --> 01:13:34,514 I mean. Well, but you can look at, you can look at things like Jimmy 1088 01:13:34,514 --> 01:13:37,274 Page and that flips it on or Dimebagg Earl. 1089 01:13:37,814 --> 01:13:42,874 Do you remember the day Britney Spears turned 18? I bet you do. 1090 01:13:43,514 --> 01:13:45,574 Well, I bet you. Sir. 1091 01:13:46,354 --> 01:13:50,554 Sir, we're in the trustee here on this podcast, sir. I want you to understand this is a 1092 01:13:50,554 --> 01:13:54,674 safe place for us to talk about. I honestly don't. I was about the 1093 01:13:54,674 --> 01:14:01,014 same age so it was a little different for me but like like she was hit me maybe one more time she 1094 01:14:01,014 --> 01:14:08,174 wasn't even 18 years old at that point so like you know do you think Britney Spears is the greatest 1095 01:14:08,174 --> 01:14:15,434 musician uh you know of the 90s like she wasn't she sold a lot of records it doesn't again that's 1096 01:14:15,434 --> 01:14:22,734 the subject uh subjectivity of of music or wrestling or art in general so you're not wrong 1097 01:14:22,734 --> 01:14:27,434 being the crotchety old man that you just 1098 01:14:27,434 --> 01:14:29,054 revealed yourself to be. 1099 01:14:31,174 --> 01:14:32,194 That's not a news. 1100 01:14:32,194 --> 01:14:33,614 We're not breaking any ground on your board. 1101 01:14:34,514 --> 01:14:35,214 No, it's not. 1102 01:14:35,294 --> 01:14:36,174 It's not breaking news. 1103 01:14:36,174 --> 01:14:39,194 I remember back when I was, I know, I do too, 1104 01:14:39,314 --> 01:14:41,274 Dad. It's fine. I remember too. 1105 01:14:42,374 --> 01:14:43,414 Now hold that flashlight 1106 01:14:43,414 --> 01:14:43,874 steady. 1107 01:14:44,654 --> 01:14:46,734 Okay, Boomer. Sorry. 1108 01:14:46,734 --> 01:14:47,354 I'm sorry. 1109 01:14:48,294 --> 01:14:50,594 I'm not a Boomer, though. I'm not a Boomer. 1110 01:14:50,774 --> 01:14:51,294 I'm Jen Boomer. 1111 01:14:51,294 --> 01:14:53,114 Well, you're a boomer adjacent, sir. 1112 01:14:53,294 --> 01:14:57,414 Nice rants, by the way, about how much better things used to be back in your day. 1113 01:14:57,934 --> 01:14:58,454 Tell me more. 1114 01:14:58,574 --> 01:14:59,354 Well, you know. 1115 01:14:59,374 --> 01:14:59,934 Tell me more, Dad. 1116 01:15:00,794 --> 01:15:01,194 Okay. 1117 01:15:01,794 --> 01:15:02,794 I will say this. 1118 01:15:02,894 --> 01:15:06,954 Another thing that I really enjoy about back in my day was the lack of electronics. 1119 01:15:09,134 --> 01:15:14,414 Unfortunately for all of us, it's going to be all AI music in the next five to ten years. 1120 01:15:14,994 --> 01:15:17,514 It's already infiltrating things now. 1121 01:15:18,294 --> 01:15:18,914 It's horrible. 1122 01:15:18,914 --> 01:15:20,554 And some of it's actually pretty dang good. 1123 01:15:21,294 --> 01:15:27,134 it is until you start like thinking about it and you're like man that's that's crap i mean it might 1124 01:15:27,134 --> 01:15:31,634 be just because uh social media is what it is but i i vaguely remember like hearing a story a few 1125 01:15:31,634 --> 01:15:38,934 months ago like where like uh people were like oh hey you know jim bob and the uh the fuckheads like 1126 01:15:38,934 --> 01:15:42,754 you know this band that everybody's like these guys are great they're like they're and it turns 1127 01:15:42,754 --> 01:15:49,114 out they're not real people it's all just a computer generated like churned out a couple 1128 01:15:49,114 --> 01:15:51,554 like country songs or whatever it was, 1129 01:15:51,634 --> 01:15:53,154 where it's like, these guys are great. 1130 01:15:53,954 --> 01:15:54,654 When are they going to tour? 1131 01:15:54,754 --> 01:15:57,294 I'm like, I bet they're not going to tour. 1132 01:15:58,254 --> 01:15:58,614 Yep. 1133 01:15:59,234 --> 01:16:01,934 But again, that goes back to the thing 1134 01:16:01,934 --> 01:16:03,094 I kind of started this with, 1135 01:16:03,114 --> 01:16:06,194 where people consume music differently, 1136 01:16:06,274 --> 01:16:06,974 just art in general. 1137 01:16:07,054 --> 01:16:10,434 Like I said, I grew up where there was four channels, 1138 01:16:10,434 --> 01:16:13,714 and you can be on a wrestling show 1139 01:16:13,714 --> 01:16:15,454 at 1 o'clock in the morning on Saturday, 1140 01:16:15,634 --> 01:16:18,594 and I had more people watching that show 1141 01:16:18,594 --> 01:16:23,014 than primetime shows have now because so many, 1142 01:16:23,174 --> 01:16:24,394 there's so many different, 1143 01:16:24,494 --> 01:16:27,174 like I'm watching podcasts on YouTube now. 1144 01:16:27,254 --> 01:16:30,774 I'm not watching like NBC or whatever they're, 1145 01:16:30,894 --> 01:16:33,574 you know, there's no more TGI Friday lineup. 1146 01:16:33,774 --> 01:16:35,354 There's no like, you know, 1147 01:16:35,374 --> 01:16:37,994 there's no Seinfeld or Friends or those things 1148 01:16:37,994 --> 01:16:42,274 where it's like you have to tune in and watch these shows 1149 01:16:42,274 --> 01:16:44,934 because, you know, tomorrow at the office, 1150 01:16:44,934 --> 01:16:46,394 we're going to be talking about this, 1151 01:16:46,394 --> 01:16:54,654 like where oh my god Ross and Rachel whatever you know whatever it was but but it was it it was way 1152 01:16:54,654 --> 01:16:59,834 more of a shared experience back then and I'm not saying it's better or worse it is 1153 01:16:59,834 --> 01:17:08,774 admittedly just different like the way people consume uh entertainment and arts uh on a macro 1154 01:17:08,774 --> 01:17:14,674 level is just uh it's so substantially different that we're not going to ever have 1155 01:17:14,674 --> 01:17:24,114 you know Taylor Swift I think transcends that but you know she is pretty inevitable like as far as 1156 01:17:24,114 --> 01:17:30,474 like who she was and I tried to hate Taylor Swift for years I tried out loud to hate her if you 1157 01:17:30,474 --> 01:17:37,194 look at my old social media it's you know how she was manufactured in a lab by record executives 1158 01:17:37,194 --> 01:17:43,654 and everything she did was just carefully cultivated and like she's you know they made 1159 01:17:43,654 --> 01:17:51,414 in a lab you know and now like kind of like seeing like like like who'd have thought taylor swift 1160 01:17:51,414 --> 01:17:59,914 would be like the the shining beacon of you know musical authenticity or like uh i'm gonna own my 1161 01:17:59,914 --> 01:18:05,894 own arts and all all of these fights that taylor swift has has had that are are sort of for the 1162 01:18:05,894 --> 01:18:11,714 like the greater good of of music and you know that that was sort of the wrestling thing we were 1163 01:18:11,714 --> 01:18:17,654 talking about a little bit where it's like she got to a point where she can finally sort of like 1164 01:18:17,654 --> 01:18:24,674 give back like pay the business back like who the people that made her the people that afforded her 1165 01:18:24,674 --> 01:18:30,594 the opportunity to be who she is now you could pay it forward it's one of the things I try to tell 1166 01:18:30,594 --> 01:18:37,694 younger wrestlers uh other musicians and and by the way I don't call myself a musician uh because 1167 01:18:37,694 --> 01:18:41,874 of the Jimmy Pages of the world, the actual musicians. 1168 01:18:42,914 --> 01:18:43,694 I'm a guy. 1169 01:18:44,354 --> 01:18:49,374 If you use your voice and or play an instrument, 1170 01:18:49,574 --> 01:18:51,554 then that qualifies you as a musician. 1171 01:18:52,254 --> 01:18:53,414 And I do want to make one point. 1172 01:18:53,414 --> 01:18:56,114 It doesn't any more than me throwing a fucking football in my backyard 1173 01:18:56,114 --> 01:18:58,054 makes me an NFL quarterback, Havoc. 1174 01:18:58,054 --> 01:19:00,054 It doesn't make you an NFL quarterback, 1175 01:19:00,294 --> 01:19:02,274 but it does make you someone that plays football. 1176 01:19:03,434 --> 01:19:04,634 There's the difference, right? 1177 01:19:05,514 --> 01:19:06,214 You're right. 1178 01:19:06,214 --> 01:19:08,954 I scored four touchdowns in one game of Paul Kai. 1179 01:19:09,054 --> 01:19:10,734 I did score four touchdowns in one game. 1180 01:19:11,214 --> 01:19:11,814 There you go. 1181 01:19:11,974 --> 01:19:14,174 So one point of clarification. 1182 01:19:15,294 --> 01:19:18,194 I don't necessarily like some of the music. 1183 01:19:18,414 --> 01:19:27,434 Like, I'm not a big fan of, like, I don't, I don't, like, avoid listening to, like, Taylor Swift, but I don't. 1184 01:19:27,434 --> 01:19:29,054 Where are you that you are? 1185 01:19:29,054 --> 01:19:30,034 I don't listen to it. 1186 01:19:30,714 --> 01:19:31,834 But hold on. 1187 01:19:31,834 --> 01:19:37,294 I recognize talent, but I can also say that's not my cup of tea. 1188 01:19:37,674 --> 01:19:38,754 And that's where I stand. 1189 01:19:38,894 --> 01:19:40,574 I don't say it's trash. 1190 01:19:40,894 --> 01:19:42,714 I try not to do that, right? 1191 01:19:42,774 --> 01:19:44,994 Instead, it's I'm not a fan of it. 1192 01:19:45,074 --> 01:19:45,954 I don't like it. 1193 01:19:46,074 --> 01:19:48,194 I have these preferences in music. 1194 01:19:48,614 --> 01:19:52,114 Because, look, at the end of the day, these are obviously talented people. 1195 01:19:52,274 --> 01:19:53,254 They wouldn't be where they are. 1196 01:19:53,254 --> 01:19:58,194 But you also can't pick out a single artist in the past decade of new content, right? 1197 01:19:59,614 --> 01:20:00,374 Not one? 1198 01:20:00,374 --> 01:20:01,694 Two decades for me. 1199 01:20:01,834 --> 01:20:09,854 see a new artist with new i mean you know yeah i probably can some country music stars but 1200 01:20:09,854 --> 01:20:18,274 you know i i don't know auto tuners here's the thing country music now is 90s alternative 1201 01:20:18,274 --> 01:20:25,494 like if you actually like think about it like listen to a a florida georgia song and then 1202 01:20:25,494 --> 01:20:31,854 listen to a three doors down song right after it and tell me which one like you know what i mean 1203 01:20:31,854 --> 01:20:37,094 it's so but again that's that's the evolution that's music uh evolving as a whole but like 1204 01:20:37,094 --> 01:20:43,174 oh yeah so like i'm i'm slightly more familiar with newer music just because i have to be because 1205 01:20:43,174 --> 01:20:50,454 of my job but like you know i i you know i don't listen to anything besides like pop rocks or like 1206 01:20:50,454 --> 01:20:54,114 alt nation or whatever like that. Like, again, like I grew up on, like, 1207 01:20:54,174 --> 01:20:58,114 I think the music you like when you're 15 years old is sort of the music that 1208 01:20:58,114 --> 01:21:02,654 shapes, uh, who you are like through your life, 1209 01:21:02,654 --> 01:21:07,454 because inevitably that's the first time you are, um, 1210 01:21:07,714 --> 01:21:10,414 just aware of, of, of, you know, 1211 01:21:10,414 --> 01:21:14,694 sort of what you like and what's available. And, uh, 1212 01:21:15,214 --> 01:21:19,714 and then as newer things come out, you go, well, that's not what I like. 1213 01:21:19,714 --> 01:21:27,374 you know i you know and listen i i'm playing a little devil's advocate i'm also literally the 1214 01:21:27,374 --> 01:21:35,774 same person uh they're like this music is bullshit well like you know uh understanding that 1215 01:21:35,774 --> 01:21:40,154 you know the point originally was like my my dad had the same argument with me 1216 01:21:40,154 --> 01:21:46,994 like as a kid where i was listening to the stuff on the radio in the 90s and he's you know he's 1217 01:21:46,994 --> 01:21:50,894 go wow what is this what is this that's not even he's not even playing on you know 1218 01:21:50,894 --> 01:22:00,094 like but but i am uh from a uh entertainer standpoint i am and you might appreciate this 1219 01:22:00,094 --> 01:22:10,674 uh havoc as a man of a certain age um i am way more of a david lee roth than i would be a sammy 1220 01:22:10,674 --> 01:22:19,194 Hagar. Does that make sense? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I said all the time. It's like, so, so David is, 1221 01:22:19,194 --> 01:22:26,154 is by far, uh, in my opinion, uh, probably one of the best front men of all time. Uh, 1222 01:22:26,354 --> 01:22:34,554 great performer. Yeah. Not a great musician. Uh, not even a great singer really. Uh, and then you 1223 01:22:34,554 --> 01:22:41,734 got a guy like Sammy Hagar, who is a great guitar player, amazing vocalist. And, you know, 1224 01:22:42,534 --> 01:22:49,974 Sammy can play all of Dave's songs. Dave can't sing Sammy's songs. And that is sort of my 1225 01:22:50,814 --> 01:22:57,494 entertainer versus musician argument that I make all the time. So when people call me a musician, 1226 01:22:57,494 --> 01:23:05,054 I go, no, no, no. People like actually work at this. Like I'm a guy who can sing a little bit and, 1227 01:23:05,054 --> 01:23:11,454 you know, I can jump around the stage and do what I do. But that's, that's, you know, 1228 01:23:11,634 --> 01:23:19,934 that's for me being in my underwear with a microphone in front of 10,000 people. Like I'm just like, 1229 01:23:19,992 --> 01:23:30,612 That aspect of it doesn't like dent me the way it does a lot of musicians who might be amazing musicians, but might not be good performers. 1230 01:23:31,052 --> 01:23:35,452 You know, might be the kind of guy who just has to sit in the back and, you know, do their thing. 1231 01:23:36,012 --> 01:23:37,292 And there's nothing wrong with that. 1232 01:23:37,292 --> 01:23:52,092 So if I'm 80% performer and 20% musician, what I need to do is complement myself with guys that are 80% musician and maybe 20% performer. 1233 01:23:52,092 --> 01:24:11,072 Because if they're looking at me and I'm dancing on the bar, singing Miley Cyrus Party in the USA, the only way that makes sense is if I've got a great band with me that can give some semblance of like musical credibility to that performance. 1234 01:24:11,492 --> 01:24:13,852 And you need both of those things. 1235 01:24:14,892 --> 01:24:19,352 And none's not even better than the other, but you need both. 1236 01:24:19,932 --> 01:24:20,312 Thank you. 1237 01:24:20,312 --> 01:24:33,092 Yeah, absolutely perfect because, I mean, that's essentially what the original Van Halen was, a front man and then a really excellent set of musicians behind them. 1238 01:24:33,312 --> 01:24:35,012 And he's just shredding, yeah, behind them. 1239 01:24:35,232 --> 01:24:36,092 But it worked. 1240 01:24:36,892 --> 01:24:37,132 Yep. 1241 01:24:37,132 --> 01:24:49,832 And this is before, you know, right now in the 80s and where they had like, like when Van Halen had keyboards and stuff like that, you know, like, I don't know how much of a purist you are, like not the 5150 like Van Halen, but like, you know. 1242 01:24:50,312 --> 01:24:51,852 they changed. 1243 01:24:52,212 --> 01:24:52,792 They evolved. 1244 01:24:53,332 --> 01:24:53,812 They did. 1245 01:24:55,372 --> 01:24:57,412 We all can't be California girls, guys. 1246 01:24:57,572 --> 01:24:59,292 I mean, we want to. 1247 01:24:59,312 --> 01:25:00,192 No, apparently not. 1248 01:25:01,052 --> 01:25:01,312 No. 1249 01:25:01,732 --> 01:25:02,652 And there's nothing wrong with that. 1250 01:25:02,652 --> 01:25:03,052 And now. 1251 01:25:04,192 --> 01:25:04,692 Do it. 1252 01:25:06,332 --> 01:25:09,992 We need more guys, 1253 01:25:10,612 --> 01:25:13,052 middle-aged white guys in jean shorts 1254 01:25:13,052 --> 01:25:15,732 playing at their bar up the road. 1255 01:25:15,732 --> 01:25:17,432 The world needs more of that. 1256 01:25:18,312 --> 01:25:18,792 Please. 1257 01:25:18,792 --> 01:25:25,632 always jorts always jorts always like a like a like a weird like affliction t-shirt like 1258 01:25:25,632 --> 01:25:32,672 2026 by the way we're doing this like you know uh lugging in like martial half stacks like old 1259 01:25:32,672 --> 01:25:39,152 school like big ass amps like to play for like 70 people like at their neighborhood bar and like 1260 01:25:39,152 --> 01:25:45,172 like as as i continue to like to travel and and play music and stuff together like our equipment 1261 01:25:45,172 --> 01:25:52,272 gets smaller and smaller because it's more shit we have to like lug around so now it's like just 1262 01:25:52,272 --> 01:25:56,172 oh we just have these pedals now that make it sound like an amp and we just just plug this in 1263 01:25:56,172 --> 01:26:04,592 and we don't have to bring the whole thing and you know but again uh musicians also uh fear change 1264 01:26:04,592 --> 01:26:10,832 a lot or you know i think people in general uh have it not to i feel like i'm piling on at this 1265 01:26:10,832 --> 01:26:17,912 point like like no no i'm big on fearing change i i don't like change nobody does that's a normal 1266 01:26:17,912 --> 01:26:24,332 that's a normal psychological thing but nobody is super pumped about like oh cool the thing that i'm 1267 01:26:24,332 --> 01:26:28,552 comfortable with in you know familiar with whatever i got now that's not the thing anymore 1268 01:26:28,552 --> 01:26:34,692 cool i mean and as you get older like alex and i were talking about uh as we become 1269 01:26:34,692 --> 01:26:43,332 more antisocial in our crotchety old man phase of our life. It's, it's largely in my experience 1270 01:26:43,332 --> 01:26:49,192 based around that. Like, I don't want to, like, I don't want to jump through hoops to like learn, 1271 01:26:49,192 --> 01:26:54,372 you know, I don't want to like, I don't want to do it your way. My way is fine. Shut up. You know, 1272 01:26:54,392 --> 01:27:00,672 but it's a lot of that sort of battling against that where it's like you brought up AI or you 1273 01:27:00,672 --> 01:27:06,452 brought up like these new new technology where you know you know the Foo Fighters are one of my 1274 01:27:06,452 --> 01:27:13,412 favorite bands and they had a documentary where uh Dave Grohl like purposely even with new technology 1275 01:27:13,412 --> 01:27:19,472 wanted to record like on old school like eight track like tape to tape like you know analog 1276 01:27:19,472 --> 01:27:27,172 you know sort of thing for uh their their record and and that was controversial uh and this is you 1277 01:27:27,172 --> 01:27:34,312 know the early aughts because you know pro tools existed or like you know macbooks and you know 1278 01:27:34,312 --> 01:27:43,072 you could there's easier and and you know objectively ways to make things sound better 1279 01:27:43,072 --> 01:27:48,852 that existed the technology is in place where you know this is before like the actual like 1280 01:27:48,852 --> 01:27:55,212 auto tune and all the things that we are aware of now but that stuff was around you know you didn't 1281 01:27:55,212 --> 01:28:02,332 have to you know play like an imperfect you know kind of thing and then try to like shine it up and 1282 01:28:02,332 --> 01:28:09,672 do whatever they get but but he as sort of that old school guy wanted to have uh a more in his 1283 01:28:09,672 --> 01:28:14,292 opinion a more authentic presentation of the music that they were playing 1284 01:28:14,292 --> 01:28:22,652 you know listen he's sold millions more records than i've sold so you have to at some point go 1285 01:28:22,652 --> 01:28:29,412 you know it's not right or wrong it's that's he didn't want to 1286 01:28:30,212 --> 01:28:39,892 embrace that newer kind of method of writing an album that he was kind of clinging to or 1287 01:28:39,892 --> 01:28:47,132 or showing homage to or like you know just tipping his hat to you know the people that 1288 01:28:47,132 --> 01:28:53,312 came before him that had to do it that way but he's also good enough that that was part of 1289 01:28:53,312 --> 01:28:59,692 his ego where like he wanted to kind of almost like challenge himself to go look yeah I know 1290 01:28:59,692 --> 01:29:04,812 all these you know pro tools and all these things exist where we can just you know clean this up 1291 01:29:04,812 --> 01:29:08,772 and make it you know we could bang this out whatever like that I want to do it the way 1292 01:29:08,772 --> 01:29:13,892 Jimmy Page did it I want to do it the way that the Beatles did I want to do it the way you know 1293 01:29:13,892 --> 01:29:24,452 like I want to compare this art that I'm putting out to that art that I loved and grew up on and was 1294 01:29:24,452 --> 01:29:34,392 shaped by um so to it's a long it's a long-winded way to say hey Havoc don't go changing buddy you 1295 01:29:34,392 --> 01:29:41,772 don't have to you you know I'm not gonna don't worry about it I mean I know you're not gonna 1296 01:29:41,772 --> 01:29:43,092 but I was just trying to tell you 1297 01:29:43,092 --> 01:29:44,652 you don't have to 1298 01:29:44,652 --> 01:29:46,692 I appreciate the validation 1299 01:29:46,692 --> 01:29:49,892 the change is why these old guys 1300 01:29:49,892 --> 01:29:51,272 are spending all this money on these 1301 01:29:51,272 --> 01:29:53,592 vintage Gibsons and Fenders and stuff 1302 01:29:53,592 --> 01:29:55,952 you can buy a much 1303 01:29:55,952 --> 01:29:57,692 better guitar for a lot less money 1304 01:29:57,692 --> 01:30:00,192 you can download 1305 01:30:00,192 --> 01:30:02,112 the plug in that sounds 1306 01:30:02,112 --> 01:30:03,732 literally exactly like 1307 01:30:03,732 --> 01:30:05,712 if I go like I want 1308 01:30:05,712 --> 01:30:08,132 you know Jimmy Page's 1309 01:30:08,132 --> 01:30:09,752 guitar on Zeppelin 1310 01:30:09,752 --> 01:30:11,592 for this 1311 01:30:11,592 --> 01:30:12,932 and hit the tone, 1312 01:30:13,712 --> 01:30:15,932 I could download that exact 1313 01:30:15,932 --> 01:30:17,772 guitar profile into my 1314 01:30:17,772 --> 01:30:18,972 Helix pedal and 1315 01:30:18,972 --> 01:30:21,832 step on stage, hit that button 1316 01:30:21,832 --> 01:30:23,872 and my guitar will sound like 1317 01:30:23,872 --> 01:30:25,852 Jimmy Page's guitar. I can't play it like he 1318 01:30:25,852 --> 01:30:27,492 does, but it's going to sound like 1319 01:30:27,492 --> 01:30:29,372 a very, it's going to sound like 1320 01:30:29,372 --> 01:30:31,832 Jimmy Page's guitar played by 1321 01:30:31,832 --> 01:30:33,092 a guy who doesn't know how to play guitar. 1322 01:30:33,872 --> 01:30:35,012 Nobody's going to go, oh, 1323 01:30:35,872 --> 01:30:37,652 the tone is off. No, it's exactly 1324 01:30:37,652 --> 01:30:39,812 like, that's the 1325 01:30:39,812 --> 01:30:40,812 technology part of it. 1326 01:30:40,812 --> 01:30:55,112 But there's also been, at least, it's been a while since I did go into one, but, you know, in, like, getting this gear, et cetera, LX turned me on to Sweetwater. 1327 01:30:55,952 --> 01:30:57,572 And great place, by the way. 1328 01:30:57,752 --> 01:30:59,732 Tom calls me every other day still. 1329 01:30:59,852 --> 01:31:02,732 I haven't bought anything from them in four years, and they still are like, hey, what's up? 1330 01:31:02,792 --> 01:31:04,012 I just want to check in with you guys. 1331 01:31:05,452 --> 01:31:05,992 How's that? 1332 01:31:07,212 --> 01:31:08,892 How's that X-18 working out for you? 1333 01:31:08,892 --> 01:31:10,352 I'm like, still good, man. 1334 01:31:10,352 --> 01:31:11,992 I'm still, I don't need another mixer. 1335 01:31:12,512 --> 01:31:12,692 Thank you. 1336 01:31:12,832 --> 01:31:12,892 Right. 1337 01:31:13,232 --> 01:31:13,512 Yeah. 1338 01:31:13,632 --> 01:31:15,232 So, but it's still good guys. 1339 01:31:15,372 --> 01:31:18,492 But one thing that's interesting, absolutely. 1340 01:31:19,152 --> 01:31:20,912 Follow through, follow up everything. 1341 01:31:21,152 --> 01:31:22,212 And then of course, you know, they send you candy. 1342 01:31:22,212 --> 01:31:24,052 I think with their shit, they send you candy. 1343 01:31:24,212 --> 01:31:24,892 They still do that. 1344 01:31:26,112 --> 01:31:30,412 So, but, um, I noticed a resurgence of, uh, tubed heads. 1345 01:31:31,072 --> 01:31:31,552 Right. 1346 01:31:31,572 --> 01:31:33,832 And that's, that's old technology. 1347 01:31:34,532 --> 01:31:35,012 Right. 1348 01:31:35,512 --> 01:31:37,132 The head unit for your amp. 1349 01:31:37,232 --> 01:31:37,432 Right. 1350 01:31:37,432 --> 01:31:39,952 I've noticed that there's a resurgence. 1351 01:31:40,192 --> 01:31:40,952 So that never really went away. 1352 01:31:41,312 --> 01:31:43,952 So I worked at Guitar Center for a minute 1353 01:31:43,952 --> 01:31:47,252 after the mortgage business went away. 1354 01:31:47,692 --> 01:31:50,732 I had a good severance package and some time on my hands. 1355 01:31:51,572 --> 01:31:53,612 So again, the band thing was just supposed to be 1356 01:31:53,612 --> 01:31:55,072 to get free beer and meet girls. 1357 01:31:55,552 --> 01:31:57,392 But I had some time off, 1358 01:31:57,432 --> 01:32:00,012 so I literally took a part-time job at Guitar Center. 1359 01:32:00,012 --> 01:32:04,372 So what we saw even back then, this is like 2009, 1360 01:32:04,372 --> 01:32:17,696 a lot of the amps that we selling were still very much old school tube amps and stuff like that And even today like if people are buying amps like actual physical amps still 1361 01:32:18,536 --> 01:32:26,216 they typically want something that has like that sort of vintage setup or at least like a modeling amp. 1362 01:32:26,436 --> 01:32:31,416 It used to be where you could kind of change the settings on there to do so. 1363 01:32:31,916 --> 01:32:33,096 Tube amps are a little more expensive. 1364 01:32:33,096 --> 01:33:00,536 Tube amps are a little harder to maintain, especially again, and this is back when modeling amps were sort of new, which were static amps, so no tubes, but you could basically change the knobs and go like, I want, you know, a heavier tone or I want like, you know, a bluesy, you know, and you can go through the knobs on the amp itself, like instead of having to dial in like that specific tone. 1365 01:33:00,536 --> 01:33:07,376 and you know this is back when you know jimmy page had one pretty distinct sound because that 1366 01:33:07,376 --> 01:33:14,116 was where that was that les paul that was that marshall stack and that was that was the sound 1367 01:33:14,116 --> 01:33:20,476 but now like you have so many different like presentations or profiles for music especially 1368 01:33:20,476 --> 01:33:26,176 in like a cover band like i do we're like you know you're doing you know a led zeppelin song 1369 01:33:26,176 --> 01:33:34,356 But then I'm doing like a Hootie and a Blowfish song after that, where very different profiles as far as what you need out of like your guitar and everything like that. 1370 01:33:34,436 --> 01:33:37,116 So I think that flexibility is important. 1371 01:33:37,116 --> 01:33:55,976 But I think for musicians or like songwriters or people that are looking for their sort of sound, so to speak, you know, but those are people that are writing in one sort of specific voice for what they are trying to create, which is amazing. 1372 01:33:56,176 --> 01:33:57,736 but you're absolutely right. 1373 01:33:57,836 --> 01:33:58,816 There's still that, 1374 01:33:59,856 --> 01:34:01,736 like we used to call them tone chasers. 1375 01:34:02,116 --> 01:34:03,196 So if you ever watch, 1376 01:34:03,316 --> 01:34:06,036 if you're as big of a nerd as I am, 1377 01:34:06,556 --> 01:34:09,076 Metalopolis, like Death Clock. 1378 01:34:09,576 --> 01:34:11,576 So they literally talk about that on, 1379 01:34:11,716 --> 01:34:13,216 like it's a cartoon on Adult Swim. 1380 01:34:13,656 --> 01:34:15,816 It's an amazing thing that like literally I, 1381 01:34:16,416 --> 01:34:17,776 it reminded me of my own band 1382 01:34:17,776 --> 01:34:20,936 where you have these different personalities and, 1383 01:34:21,496 --> 01:34:24,216 you know, but they talk about like chasing that tone. 1384 01:34:24,216 --> 01:34:25,876 And I've had guitar players that, 1385 01:34:26,176 --> 01:34:30,816 are so the kind of old school are so like kind of married to that, 1386 01:34:30,896 --> 01:34:35,756 that concept of, of that like kind of authentic guitar sound. 1387 01:34:35,756 --> 01:34:38,896 And that doesn't exist without a tube amp, 1388 01:34:38,996 --> 01:34:42,316 without like that Marshall stack or without a Les Paul, 1389 01:34:42,476 --> 01:34:44,176 like this specific kind of things, 1390 01:34:44,176 --> 01:34:46,536 or even like the original Ibanez tube, 1391 01:34:46,776 --> 01:34:49,236 literally a pedals, it's called a tube screamer, 1392 01:34:49,376 --> 01:34:53,856 which the entire pedal is designed to just maximize that, 1393 01:34:53,856 --> 01:34:59,676 that sort of like that crunch that comes only from those old, 1394 01:34:59,736 --> 01:35:01,276 from heating up those old school, 1395 01:35:01,276 --> 01:35:06,396 like a Fender Blues Deluxe or a Marshall Stack with the tubes. 1396 01:35:06,696 --> 01:35:08,756 Like there are very specific, 1397 01:35:08,936 --> 01:35:13,016 like vintage like sounds that are like, 1398 01:35:13,136 --> 01:35:17,636 even now 50 years later are just synonymous. 1399 01:35:17,916 --> 01:35:23,596 You could say that tone and people know what you're talking about because guys 1400 01:35:23,596 --> 01:35:27,476 like Jimmy Page made that so iconic, you know, in that setup. 1401 01:35:28,196 --> 01:35:31,136 And there's, you know, again, that doesn't exist now, 1402 01:35:31,136 --> 01:35:34,656 but even as, you know, the modeling amps 1403 01:35:34,656 --> 01:35:39,176 and the technology is around to replicate that, 1404 01:35:40,036 --> 01:35:43,076 it's, you know, it's not the real thing. 1405 01:35:43,496 --> 01:35:46,256 And there is something to be said for that as well. 1406 01:35:46,456 --> 01:35:46,736 It's clear. 1407 01:35:47,416 --> 01:35:51,176 I had a friend that was, I mean, you know, 1408 01:35:51,176 --> 01:35:57,096 very very uh talented guitar player and played for a grindcore band but 1409 01:35:57,096 --> 01:36:03,496 jesus that that's what he liked um but you know and it's funny because this was in the 1410 01:36:03,496 --> 01:36:11,776 late 80s i think early 90s and the guy late i i almost i don't know what late 80s grindcore 1411 01:36:11,776 --> 01:36:17,716 sounds like and now i actually kind of want to oh there's some good stuff out there yeah there is 1412 01:36:17,716 --> 01:36:26,216 but uh he he had this obsession to try and figure out how to replicate 1413 01:36:26,216 --> 01:36:34,116 carrie king's sound so slayer the lead guitars for slayer and he just was like i cannot get this 1414 01:36:34,116 --> 01:36:39,316 one right i cannot get the right amount of distortion the right amount of compression 1415 01:36:39,316 --> 01:36:45,736 you know everything about it is it just i can't get it to line up i'm like i'm literally in my 1416 01:36:45,736 --> 01:36:47,956 head, I'm like a Schechter seven string. 1417 01:36:48,576 --> 01:36:49,296 Like, you know what I mean? 1418 01:36:49,336 --> 01:36:51,816 I'm like in my head, I'm like, what, where would I start? 1419 01:36:52,696 --> 01:36:56,216 It'd be like, yeah, it'd be like a seven string guitar, which if you don't know, 1420 01:36:56,256 --> 01:36:58,656 guitars usually have six strings on them. 1421 01:36:58,756 --> 01:37:03,076 The seven string has like a little bit of a deeper kind of thing. 1422 01:37:03,376 --> 01:37:08,916 Kerry King, Zach Wild, a lot of those guys were the first people to put the heavier strings 1423 01:37:08,916 --> 01:37:09,676 on their guitar. 1424 01:37:09,676 --> 01:37:15,436 and they did that because it would give a lower end, 1425 01:37:15,576 --> 01:37:20,416 kind of like a little more like fullness, low end kind of crunch. 1426 01:37:20,596 --> 01:37:21,996 And that was new back then. 1427 01:37:22,556 --> 01:37:26,176 I mean, listen, we're an hour and a half in 1428 01:37:26,176 --> 01:37:28,276 and I'm going to go down a Black Sabbath rabbit hole 1429 01:37:28,276 --> 01:37:31,216 if you want to talk about original guitar tone. 1430 01:37:31,576 --> 01:37:34,596 Like we have a lot of different podcasts we can do, boys. 1431 01:37:34,656 --> 01:37:36,136 I'll see you guys tomorrow, same time. 1432 01:37:37,516 --> 01:37:38,536 We can do it. 1433 01:37:38,536 --> 01:37:44,376 this has been a great one no you guys have been great like i thank you and you know and i know 1434 01:37:44,376 --> 01:37:47,976 we're uh we're past bedtimes and everything we got but no you're absolutely right about like 1435 01:37:47,976 --> 01:37:54,076 carrie king and like but those were but that was innovative back then that was like that was a that 1436 01:37:54,076 --> 01:38:00,156 was a pioneer like sort of like mindset when it came to like that i know you're not you're not a 1437 01:38:00,156 --> 01:38:05,736 nine-inch nails guy but one of the reasons that trent reznor was so iconic in the 90s is he was 1438 01:38:05,736 --> 01:38:16,336 one of the first people that was like, how do I replicate this without that production? And that 1439 01:38:16,336 --> 01:38:22,796 was newer technology for him, but that hadn't existed before that. I mean, Prince did it a 1440 01:38:22,796 --> 01:38:27,696 little bit where he was one of the first people to kind of like play all of the instruments on his 1441 01:38:27,696 --> 01:38:33,396 own albums. Dave Grohl did that for the first Foo Fighters album where he played everything 1442 01:38:33,396 --> 01:38:35,716 and then basically hired a band after that. 1443 01:38:35,756 --> 01:38:38,756 But that was, those were new things, you know, 1444 01:38:38,836 --> 01:38:41,276 in the 80s, 90s, you know, kind of thing. 1445 01:38:41,276 --> 01:38:46,156 So like, but that's sort of the evolution of music as a whole. 1446 01:38:46,296 --> 01:38:49,096 But like, but that I remember like, you know, 1447 01:38:49,096 --> 01:38:53,596 having those conversations about like that heavier kind of, 1448 01:38:53,656 --> 01:38:54,816 how do you get that crunch? 1449 01:38:54,836 --> 01:38:55,896 Like, how does that exist? 1450 01:38:55,936 --> 01:38:58,556 And then like, you had specific guitars. 1451 01:38:58,696 --> 01:39:00,616 You had Ibanez, you had Schechter. 1452 01:39:00,616 --> 01:39:05,456 She had these guitars that were almost like made to be like metal guitars. 1453 01:39:05,676 --> 01:39:06,296 You know what I mean? 1454 01:39:07,516 --> 01:39:07,856 Yeah. 1455 01:39:07,996 --> 01:39:08,676 The world idea. 1456 01:39:08,856 --> 01:39:09,116 Exactly. 1457 01:39:09,216 --> 01:39:13,396 The flying V I've got a, like Jägermeister has, I have literally a, 1458 01:39:13,716 --> 01:39:16,936 it's like a Dean I think made it, but it was like a Dean, like, 1459 01:39:17,036 --> 01:39:18,816 like a flying, like they have a, 1460 01:39:19,196 --> 01:39:23,156 I have a Jägermeister guitar that they sent me that they're like, play this. 1461 01:39:23,216 --> 01:39:27,716 I'm like, there's no way for me to play like, you know, 1462 01:39:27,716 --> 01:39:31,096 brown eyed girl on a flying V. 1463 01:39:31,276 --> 01:39:32,676 It's not going to be one thing. 1464 01:39:32,716 --> 01:39:33,236 I'm insane. 1465 01:39:34,156 --> 01:39:34,376 But like, 1466 01:39:34,456 --> 01:39:35,156 if you're, 1467 01:39:35,216 --> 01:39:36,416 if you're looking for that sound, 1468 01:39:36,496 --> 01:39:38,796 I mean that that's how to do it. 1469 01:39:38,796 --> 01:39:40,676 And those were the pioneers for that. 1470 01:39:41,336 --> 01:39:41,776 Yep. 1471 01:39:42,036 --> 01:39:42,336 Nice. 1472 01:39:42,516 --> 01:39:43,116 Good pull. 1473 01:39:43,776 --> 01:39:44,456 All right. 1474 01:39:44,516 --> 01:39:47,076 So thank you very much for joining us. 1475 01:39:47,076 --> 01:39:47,656 I think we've, 1476 01:39:47,656 --> 01:39:49,396 we've kind of expired our, 1477 01:39:49,436 --> 01:39:50,096 our time. 1478 01:39:51,296 --> 01:39:51,696 I, 1479 01:39:51,876 --> 01:39:53,036 if anybody is still listening, 1480 01:39:53,116 --> 01:39:53,696 God bless you. 1481 01:39:53,876 --> 01:39:54,596 Thank you for, 1482 01:39:54,816 --> 01:39:55,976 they will be, 1483 01:39:56,096 --> 01:39:56,876 they love us. 1484 01:39:57,716 --> 01:39:59,916 and they're going to love you. 1485 01:40:00,616 --> 01:40:03,496 So we asked you before, we're going to ask you now. 1486 01:40:03,676 --> 01:40:09,356 So throughout our lives, there's an individual or a historic figure, 1487 01:40:09,676 --> 01:40:12,456 could be a sixth grade science teacher, whoever, 1488 01:40:12,696 --> 01:40:17,336 but someone that comes along that makes a profound and lasting impact in our lives. 1489 01:40:17,336 --> 01:40:20,636 And we like to give our guests the ability to shout out that person. 1490 01:40:20,636 --> 01:40:29,676 you know i i know you uh you you did uh you didn't try to 1491 01:40:29,676 --> 01:40:34,736 no i well no because as soon as you brought it back up i went oh 1492 01:40:34,736 --> 01:40:38,196 crap we got down so many different rabbit holes that like 1493 01:40:38,196 --> 01:40:43,416 you know when you uh when you brought it up to me uh you know 90 minutes ago 1494 01:40:43,416 --> 01:40:48,756 i sort of had one uh like kind of direction with that in mind and then 1495 01:40:48,756 --> 01:40:51,036 the way you brought it up reminds 1496 01:40:51,036 --> 01:40:52,656 me of a guy 1497 01:40:52,656 --> 01:41:05,020 named Chris Van Vliet who does a wrestling podcast and he does a great job with it and one of the things he does with his guests is he talks about gratitude at the end of his show 1498 01:41:05,020 --> 01:41:09,460 where he talks about how big of a role gratitude plays in his life. 1499 01:41:09,860 --> 01:41:14,300 And he asks his guests, what are three things you're grateful for? 1500 01:41:14,940 --> 01:41:18,600 And it's kind of the one, like you said, it's kind of the one question that he asks. 1501 01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:21,340 and even in your question 1502 01:41:21,340 --> 01:41:22,1000 I'm already down another 1503 01:41:22,1000 --> 01:41:25,140 rabbit hole of 1504 01:41:25,140 --> 01:41:27,220 my brain so 1505 01:41:27,220 --> 01:41:29,120 let me 1506 01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:31,160 first and foremost thank you guys 1507 01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:33,360 for having me on 1508 01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:34,720 and for going through 1509 01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:37,400 some weird 1510 01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:39,640 journey with my 1511 01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:41,360 clearly 1512 01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:43,800 different 1513 01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:44,220 brain 1514 01:41:44,220 --> 01:41:46,780 one of the reasons I love music 1515 01:41:46,780 --> 01:41:47,500 I had a blast 1516 01:41:47,500 --> 01:41:55,080 i did too appreciate you coming thank you guys i appreciate that uh and uh i you know i wanted to 1517 01:41:55,080 --> 01:42:03,180 talk more about star trek uh or uh starfleet academy and how much i uh how much it's pissing 1518 01:42:03,180 --> 01:42:07,120 on gene roddenberry's grave and all that stuff we didn't even get to we didn't get the nine of 1519 01:42:07,120 --> 01:42:14,920 the things that we actually like welcome to my life like where it's like i was supposed to do 1520 01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:22,940 you know this contract for whatever that I just remembered that I didn't do um so 1521 01:42:22,940 --> 01:42:31,800 it's so weird so it's it's a um it's a subjective question but it's also 1522 01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:41,760 because I have been shaped by so many different things and because uh of the way you know like 1523 01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:49,520 having like kind of a, like, like an autistic, like ADHD brain and having that superpower and, 1524 01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:55,160 and sort of processing things the way that I've, I've always kind of processed things. And I didn't 1525 01:42:55,160 --> 01:43:02,960 know any of this stuff until recently, like I was ADHD before it was cool. But now, you know, 1526 01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:08,880 kind of understanding a little more about, you know, having like a neurodivergent brain and, 1527 01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:16,280 how, you know, I may process things differently, but not wrong or not right, just different. And 1528 01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:26,500 so a lot of what I try to talk about through whatever I'm rambling on about, and I do this 1529 01:43:26,500 --> 01:43:33,740 on stage too, by the way, which is one of the, it became part of my stage show where it's more 1530 01:43:33,740 --> 01:43:38,400 interactive and more like crowd work and doing like sort of like almost like standup comedy 1531 01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:41,720 between occasionally remembering to play a song. 1532 01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:43,580 But it's a different presentation, 1533 01:43:43,900 --> 01:43:47,220 but it's a very authentic to me presentation. 1534 01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:50,060 Some people like it, some people don't, 1535 01:43:50,540 --> 01:43:52,980 but that's how subjective music is. 1536 01:43:54,360 --> 01:43:55,860 So my influences, 1537 01:43:58,440 --> 01:44:03,400 so since we're finishing on music, I'll do this one. 1538 01:44:04,580 --> 01:44:06,540 But I also have like wrestling influences. 1539 01:44:06,780 --> 01:44:07,920 I have all that stuff. 1540 01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:15,820 But one of the things we talked about during this show was the concept of paying it forward. 1541 01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:23,1000 I learned that from a young lady called Laura Lee. 1542 01:44:24,860 --> 01:44:30,040 Laura Lee is one of the best cover band. 1543 01:44:30,740 --> 01:44:32,360 And she writes her own music, too. 1544 01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:42,280 She's one of the best musicians and one of the best people that I ever had the opportunity to meet as a aspiring cover band. 1545 01:44:43,100 --> 01:44:45,1000 And we're based out of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. 1546 01:44:46,380 --> 01:44:50,200 And there's not really a big music scene here for what we do. 1547 01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:51,740 There's dad bands. 1548 01:44:51,740 --> 01:45:02,140 There's the guys that will throw in the jorts and make all their family and friends come out the three or four times a year that they go out. 1549 01:45:02,360 --> 01:45:06,700 play Mustang Sally or whatever they, you know, whatever, whatever they play. 1550 01:45:07,240 --> 01:45:13,180 And there's nothing wrong with that, but it's a different thing than I would like to make a living 1551 01:45:13,180 --> 01:45:22,480 doing this, find a way to get paid for it. So, um, Laura Lee, uh, was one of the first people 1552 01:45:22,480 --> 01:45:28,800 that I met out, uh, in Dewey beach. Like, so if, if you know anything about, uh, the, the East 1553 01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:35,780 coast of the United States. Like there's a corridor out there where in the summertime you get a bunch 1554 01:45:35,780 --> 01:45:40,240 of people from like Philly and Wilmington and all these, like even Pittsburgh, like everybody goes 1555 01:45:40,240 --> 01:45:47,780 to the beach and the beach out there is it's a, it's Rehoboth beach, Dewey beach, Fenwick, 1556 01:45:48,240 --> 01:45:53,540 I'm sorry, Bethany beach, Fenwick beach and the ocean city, Maryland. So you have like an hour 1557 01:45:53,540 --> 01:45:59,640 the kind of like stretch of beachfront, 1558 01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:00,720 like everything like that, 1559 01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:01,1000 and a bunch of amazing bars, 1560 01:46:01,1000 --> 01:46:04,240 and they all have live music out there. 1561 01:46:04,960 --> 01:46:08,060 So it was an opportunity to go and do this. 1562 01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:09,800 So I went out there, 1563 01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:13,120 saw Laura Lee's band, 1564 01:46:13,400 --> 01:46:14,1000 Laura Lee and Trip Fabulous, 1565 01:46:15,060 --> 01:46:15,780 if you want to see them. 1566 01:46:15,820 --> 01:46:18,220 I think they're actually literally down in Key West right now 1567 01:46:18,220 --> 01:46:20,540 playing at a place that I play down there called Sloppy Joe's. 1568 01:46:20,540 --> 01:46:32,280 So, but Laura Lee was one of the first bands that I saw where, you know, you see somebody kind of doing like, oh, next level. 1569 01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:34,380 It's like, you know, like I want to play in the NFL. 1570 01:46:34,380 --> 01:46:38,340 And then you actually go see like Peyton Manning throw a ball and you go, oh, shit. 1571 01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:39,400 Oh, hey. 1572 01:46:40,340 --> 01:46:46,680 So she was doing it and she was just, I mean, amazing. 1573 01:46:46,680 --> 01:47:01,480 First of all, just a beautiful person, gorgeous girl, amazing singer, amazing songwriter, amazing front man, everything that if I want to be like that when I grow up, that would be what I want to be. 1574 01:47:01,480 --> 01:47:03,780 also one of the kindest people 1575 01:47:03,780 --> 01:47:06,080 because she was one of the first people that taught 1576 01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:06,880 me the concept 1577 01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:09,680 as we talked about a little earlier 1578 01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:11,840 about paying it forward 1579 01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:14,020 where Laura Lee was 1580 01:47:14,020 --> 01:47:15,880 somebody who let my band 1581 01:47:15,880 --> 01:47:17,780 open for her 1582 01:47:17,780 --> 01:47:19,720 and her band at 1583 01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:21,860 like one of the biggest like bars 1584 01:47:21,860 --> 01:47:24,180 in the country like one of the 1585 01:47:24,180 --> 01:47:26,280 most popular like the highest profile 1586 01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:27,160 like kind of places 1587 01:47:27,160 --> 01:47:29,920 ever and this might have been like 2005 1588 01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:31,320 2006 I want to say 1589 01:47:31,320 --> 01:47:50,020 But that was somebody who was comfortable enough with where she was and where her band was to not feel like another band is quote unquote competition. 1590 01:47:50,020 --> 01:47:54,540 and there's a lot of ego involved in professional wrestling, 1591 01:47:54,540 --> 01:47:58,540 a lot of ego involved in music, just as a performer. 1592 01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:01,740 There's a certain degree of like insecurity 1593 01:48:01,740 --> 01:48:04,400 that just kind of comes with what we do. 1594 01:48:05,680 --> 01:48:07,440 And I didn't realize this was everybody. 1595 01:48:07,540 --> 01:48:08,360 I thought it was just me, 1596 01:48:08,940 --> 01:48:12,640 where for the thousands and literal thousands of shows 1597 01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:13,900 that I've played in my entire life, 1598 01:48:14,380 --> 01:48:15,960 before every one of those shows, 1599 01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:17,720 I go through this like, 1600 01:48:17,720 --> 01:48:22,440 if you like watch like Dewey Cox like walk hard like you go through this thing where like before 1601 01:48:22,440 --> 01:48:27,420 you go on stage you got to go through like all this like all the things that you got to like you 1602 01:48:27,420 --> 01:48:33,920 know but it's that you go through this this they're gonna hate me uh I'm gonna sound bad I'm gonna suck 1603 01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:38,260 they're gonna fire me I can't believe it's an imposter syndrome thing really because you're out 1604 01:48:38,260 --> 01:48:45,700 there sort of playing a character on stage and she was so comfortable with who she was that it 1605 01:48:45,700 --> 01:48:51,500 almost like put me at ease. And then the concept of like, you know, we're not competition, 1606 01:48:51,500 --> 01:49:00,740 like a rising, you know, tide helps all the ships. We don't, it doesn't help me to talk badly about, 1607 01:49:00,1000 --> 01:49:06,980 you know, another wrestler or another band or whatever like that. It helps if we're helping 1608 01:49:06,980 --> 01:49:17,340 each other that helps each other. And so anytime, and now I'm at a point with wrestling specifically 1609 01:49:17,340 --> 01:49:24,380 where that was always like my biggest, my biggest passion. Like music is great. And I love 1610 01:49:24,380 --> 01:49:30,240 playing music. Like literally I had a gig yesterday where I played at an old folks home, 1611 01:49:30,240 --> 01:49:37,460 like a legitimate old folks home just went out there and played you know elvis or whatever i 1612 01:49:37,460 --> 01:49:44,400 was playing for that's the place i need to end up live shows let's do like certainly not you know 1613 01:49:44,960 --> 01:50:00,324 all these ads are these newfangled music coming in here playing that crap listen the funniest thing in the world is me asking a bunch of 85 year olds like hey guys what do you want to hear you know and having them you know yeah it an all unit so some of them don remember 1614 01:50:00,324 --> 01:50:04,924 their names let alone but music is one of those weird things where even people that have like 1615 01:50:04,924 --> 01:50:10,284 all-time or sure where they're like is music is like like i deal i do this with like special 1616 01:50:10,284 --> 01:50:16,324 Olympics were like, uh, like, like very like, uh, like, you know, like, uh, like learning 1617 01:50:16,324 --> 01:50:23,084 disabled people, nonverbal people that don't talk, we'll sing, you know, like I, I got, 1618 01:50:23,164 --> 01:50:27,984 I got a chance to like to, to teach, uh, like a life skills music class for like kids that 1619 01:50:27,984 --> 01:50:31,544 are like severely like developmentally disabled. 1620 01:50:31,544 --> 01:50:37,584 And we would do, uh, you know, boom clackers and like stuff like that, like where like the 1621 01:50:37,584 --> 01:50:43,364 music it was something that they would it would resonate with them where they were more like 1622 01:50:43,364 --> 01:50:49,724 communicative and and whatever uh with what was happening there and i don't uh like back to laura 1623 01:50:49,724 --> 01:50:55,464 lee is as as my answer because again i know we're awesome we're way we're rambling on like but laura 1624 01:50:55,464 --> 01:51:00,764 lee was like one of the people that taught me like you know do that if you have the opportunity 1625 01:51:00,764 --> 01:51:08,164 to kind of help to give somebody else a hand on the way up. 1626 01:51:09,644 --> 01:51:11,164 And I learned this in wrestling too, 1627 01:51:11,224 --> 01:51:13,384 because a lot of the people that I worked with in wrestling 1628 01:51:13,384 --> 01:51:16,404 when I broke in in the late 90s 1629 01:51:16,404 --> 01:51:20,564 were guys that were like big stars in the 80s 1630 01:51:20,564 --> 01:51:24,464 that were still a little past their prime, 1631 01:51:24,464 --> 01:51:26,144 maybe a little banged up, 1632 01:51:26,224 --> 01:51:29,824 but they were still out there working like smaller shows 1633 01:51:29,824 --> 01:51:30,904 and independent shows. 1634 01:51:31,104 --> 01:51:35,424 So, you know, they were back on the way down maybe career-wise. 1635 01:51:35,944 --> 01:51:39,564 So I had an opportunity to sort of like learn from those guys 1636 01:51:39,564 --> 01:51:42,684 who had been, you know, kind of working on top. 1637 01:51:42,684 --> 01:51:48,204 And then somebody like Laura Lee who is, in my opinion, 1638 01:51:48,304 --> 01:51:52,544 still the greatest like cover band, like front man performer 1639 01:51:52,544 --> 01:51:53,444 that I've ever met. 1640 01:51:54,464 --> 01:51:55,644 But she taught me that. 1641 01:51:55,644 --> 01:52:04,164 Like she was nice enough to jump up on stage on one of my shows and sort of in the wrestling business, we call it giving the rub. 1642 01:52:04,484 --> 01:52:12,284 Like, oh, let's we're going to give the kid the rub, you know, like where it's like, you know, like Hulk Hogan's going to wrestle the the up and comer. 1643 01:52:12,704 --> 01:52:18,004 You know what I mean? Like even if the up and comer doesn't beat Hulk Hogan, just that just him being in the ring. 1644 01:52:18,004 --> 01:52:24,684 Yeah, in the same ring with that guy elevates, you know, the other guy. 1645 01:52:25,004 --> 01:52:26,364 And she taught me that. 1646 01:52:26,484 --> 01:52:31,024 And that's something that I've not only obviously learned in music, 1647 01:52:31,024 --> 01:52:37,164 but I've tried to translate that mindset across everything I do. 1648 01:52:37,164 --> 01:52:41,564 And for somebody who does as many different things as I do, 1649 01:52:42,144 --> 01:52:47,204 the modern day Renaissance man that I am, the last of the old school, if you will. 1650 01:52:47,204 --> 01:52:49,084 you'll appreciate that havoc that's literally my wrestling 1651 01:52:49,084 --> 01:52:51,284 gimmick is I am the last 1652 01:52:51,284 --> 01:52:53,204 of the old school spiffy Sean 1653 01:52:53,204 --> 01:52:54,964 styles and it's because 1654 01:52:54,964 --> 01:52:56,984 I'm the last of that generation 1655 01:52:56,984 --> 01:52:59,384 that came into the business that way 1656 01:52:59,384 --> 01:53:01,244 that is still around because most 1657 01:53:01,244 --> 01:53:03,304 of those guys are retiring 1658 01:53:03,304 --> 01:53:04,724 and all that stuff so 1659 01:53:04,724 --> 01:53:05,724 uh 1660 01:53:05,724 --> 01:53:09,184 Laura Lee uh which is somebody that 1661 01:53:09,184 --> 01:53:11,144 uh nobody would know but 1662 01:53:11,144 --> 01:53:13,144 uh please look her up uh and her 1663 01:53:13,144 --> 01:53:15,044 band uh if you are 1664 01:53:15,044 --> 01:53:17,004 around uh the 1665 01:53:17,004 --> 01:53:22,784 east coast of the northeast of America or traveling to Key West and happen to be there 1666 01:53:22,784 --> 01:53:30,104 at a week that her and her band are there. I can't recommend them enough. And thank you guys 1667 01:53:30,104 --> 01:53:36,664 for supporting just the arts in general. And thank you guys for going down all of these rabbit holes 1668 01:53:36,664 --> 01:53:41,724 with me for twice as long as you thought we were going to go. Remember when you guys were like, 1669 01:53:42,024 --> 01:53:46,164 well, we typically do like a 35, 45 minute podcast. We're buttoning it up here about, 1670 01:53:46,164 --> 01:53:53,844 you know 45 or so remember that we do 45 to 90 is typically where we are so this isn't that 1671 01:53:53,844 --> 01:53:58,924 this isn't that far over but it is so hard to this i mean we could do this like where you can 1672 01:53:58,924 --> 01:54:05,084 lure like and tune in next week for the exciting conclusion of this guy rambling on about 85 1673 01:54:05,084 --> 01:54:10,064 different things it's a wonderful thing so i'm still mad we didn't talk about the academy i want 1674 01:54:10,064 --> 01:54:18,124 to yell so bad about it. We can, we can certainly do that. So last piece, what do you got going on? 1675 01:54:18,404 --> 01:54:25,244 Where can people find you? Um, well you, uh, you were nice enough to bring up my only fans, 1676 01:54:25,244 --> 01:54:29,164 early in the podcast or havoc. Thank you for that. And thank you for thinking I have nice feet. 1677 01:54:29,304 --> 01:54:35,024 I do. Uh, I do appreciate that. Uh, I do have a lot of student loans. So thank you for that support. 1678 01:54:35,024 --> 01:54:41,484 the link is going to just all my links.com is just going to be my name. 1679 01:54:41,564 --> 01:54:42,844 Spiffy Sean styles. 1680 01:54:43,784 --> 01:54:46,404 You can type that in pretty much anywhere on the internet. 1681 01:54:47,064 --> 01:54:48,484 Spiffy Sean styles.com. 1682 01:54:49,024 --> 01:54:50,924 The band is called walk of shame. 1683 01:54:51,384 --> 01:54:59,824 We do a great rock band karaoke thing that sort of morphed out of what I 1684 01:54:59,824 --> 01:55:03,284 guess then would have been like our COVID shows because we were all locked up 1685 01:55:03,284 --> 01:55:06,764 and trying to figure out a way to still connect. 1686 01:55:07,064 --> 01:55:11,624 And then me as the introverted, extroverted person that I am 1687 01:55:11,624 --> 01:55:17,324 was losing my mind, not having that sort of dopamine, 1688 01:55:17,744 --> 01:55:18,824 that kind of fixed for me, 1689 01:55:18,884 --> 01:55:21,704 like where as much as I want to be antisocial, 1690 01:55:21,704 --> 01:55:26,784 also I have this inherent sort of desire 1691 01:55:26,784 --> 01:55:27,944 to be a people pleaser. 1692 01:55:28,164 --> 01:55:31,004 So trying to resolve that duality 1693 01:55:31,004 --> 01:55:33,004 is sort of the journey that I've been on. 1694 01:55:33,284 --> 01:55:35,384 for most of my adult life. 1695 01:55:35,484 --> 01:55:37,024 But like COVID was one of the things 1696 01:55:37,024 --> 01:55:40,804 where I learned how to do like a good live stream 1697 01:55:40,804 --> 01:55:44,344 and make the audio sound good. 1698 01:55:44,424 --> 01:55:45,764 And I did all of that because, 1699 01:55:46,164 --> 01:55:48,464 you know, I was watching nine-year-olds play Minecraft 1700 01:55:48,464 --> 01:55:50,704 and they were better at streaming than I was. 1701 01:55:50,944 --> 01:55:53,024 I figured there's, you know, 1702 01:55:53,124 --> 01:55:54,444 you can learn a couple of things. 1703 01:55:54,564 --> 01:55:59,304 But like, so a lot of what we do is born from that 1704 01:55:59,304 --> 01:56:02,324 where people were able to just on the fly, 1705 01:56:02,324 --> 01:56:07,804 like request songs and like, you know, Hey, here's, here's our Venmo shoot us 20 bucks. And 1706 01:56:07,804 --> 01:56:14,344 Oh my God. Hey, Sheila from blah, blah, blah. Wants to hear, you know, whatever a Pearl Jam 1707 01:56:14,344 --> 01:56:20,944 song. Here you go. And, and then have that sort of in real time, uh, kind of thing. So, uh, I do 1708 01:56:20,944 --> 01:56:27,204 have, uh, all the socials, uh, find me everywhere, please. Uh, I do a wrestling podcast that we just 1709 01:56:27,204 --> 01:56:34,324 started. So again, I am brand spanking new at this, but I don't know if you guys picked up on 1710 01:56:34,324 --> 01:56:42,144 this, but I like to talk. My grandma used to tell me when I was a kid that you talk just to hear 1711 01:56:42,144 --> 01:56:47,144 your own voice. And it turns out my grandmother was right as always. I do. 1712 01:56:48,044 --> 01:56:48,944 Nothing wrong with being able to talk. 1713 01:56:48,944 --> 01:56:54,484 Every once in a while I stumble into and entertain anything like this. And I meet guys like you that 1714 01:56:54,484 --> 01:57:03,124 have an amazing sort of foundation for me to come in like the wrecking ball that I am to try to 1715 01:57:03,124 --> 01:57:11,304 disrupt. So thank you guys for that. And you're seriously, I wish more podcast experiences were 1716 01:57:11,304 --> 01:57:19,964 this comfortable, organic. I mean, you know what I mean? Like, like you said, you asked one question 1717 01:57:19,964 --> 01:57:24,304 at the end and we talked for nearly two hours 1718 01:57:24,304 --> 01:57:28,324 and legitimately there are things 1719 01:57:28,324 --> 01:57:29,684 that we didn't talk about 1720 01:57:29,684 --> 01:57:32,964 that we could absolutely spend another two hours talking 1721 01:57:32,964 --> 01:57:36,944 and that I believe guys is a testament 1722 01:57:36,944 --> 01:57:40,224 to what a great show you have 1723 01:57:40,224 --> 01:57:43,184 and thank you so much for letting me have the opportunity 1724 01:57:43,184 --> 01:57:46,144 to come here and ramble on for a little while. 1725 01:57:46,424 --> 01:57:46,864 Thank you. 1726 01:57:47,384 --> 01:57:48,764 Thank you for joining us. 1727 01:57:48,764 --> 01:57:50,024 We really appreciate it. 1728 01:57:51,204 --> 01:57:52,164 All right, everybody. 1729 01:57:52,744 --> 01:57:53,984 You know where to find us. 1730 01:57:54,384 --> 01:57:55,904 Thank you for giving us some of your time. 1731 01:57:55,964 --> 01:57:57,284 If you liked us, thumbs up. 1732 01:57:57,404 --> 01:57:58,784 If not, give us a thumbs down. 1733 01:57:58,924 --> 01:57:59,524 Leave a comment. 1734 01:57:59,704 --> 01:58:00,504 Tell us we suck. 1735 01:58:00,664 --> 01:58:01,224 I don't care. 1736 01:58:01,884 --> 01:58:07,044 Throw a comment in there if you have an idea for a guest, a topic, or a show, whatever the case may be. 1737 01:58:07,364 --> 01:58:14,764 And remember, wherever you are, whenever you're watching this, have an amazing day. 1738 01:58:16,724 --> 01:58:17,204 Thanks, everybody. 1739 01:58:18,764 --> 01:58:39,404 Thank you.