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Welcome back to the Bitcoin Matrix podcast for the eighth time.
How are you?
Really?
Eighth time?
Yeah.
Wow.
Holy shit.
Six on your own, and then one we did the group chat, which started off great and then kind of spiraled down.
It went off the rails, didn't it?
It spiraled down.
Well, you know, I mean, four hodlers and then no coin, it really somehow was going to end up in a bit of a bloodbath.
I begged them before the show not to do the Bitcoin thing, right?
They did it.
They did it. They couldn't resist.
No, and they were all like dogs on a bone.
But I think, you know, I think also they were all excited to kind of throw their best pitch at you.
Well, I think that's right. I didn't take offense.
There's in your hodler community, and you and I have talked about this a lot,
and I don't think you and I have a problem at all.
But there's like the hodler community goes all the way from smart bastards like you and Marty
and guys like that, all the way down to goddamn Stepford wife cultists.
And as I've said, and you've quoted me many, many times,
it's going to cause people tremendous pain who don't know why they own it.
And I think...
I like the entire economy right now.
It feels so fucked up.
It really feels totally fucked up to me.
Yeah.
I mean, what would you think?
I mean, we're 10 months or almost 11 months into the year.
I don't think anyone would have guessed things would have went this way.
Not that we ever guess a year correctly in advance.
No.
I'm having the best year I've had since probably 1998 or something.
I got one word for you then.
Metals.
Well, that's what I own, right?
That's what I own, right?
So I'm a goadler.
And I don't like that, actually.
I go, I'm being teed up here or something, right?
I'd rather make a clean 10% a year every year.
That would be great, which is, by the way, way too much.
I mean, you shouldn't be able to make 10% even.
But Buffett said basically in a, you know, risk assets of equities,
you can't make more than 4% a year sustainably.
And what is gold up this year, like 60%, 70%?
Yeah, there's some funny business in the gold and precious metal market this afternoon.
Someone did one of those slam dunk things where all of a sudden the volume spikes and the price drops.
It's right after the Comix closed.
So you've got to get used to that.
Bitcoin's a little beat up right now, I notice.
But as you know and as I know, if dropping down 10% or 15% is too much for you, you should probably take up something like fishing.
It's not your world.
But gold being up the amount it is, not just in percentage terms, but market cap.
I mean, you're talking like...
Oh, it's huge.
Huge.
You're talking about $10 trillion probably.
And platinum is way up. And I played the platinum perfectly, although it's not sized perfectly.
But I've been watching platinum for years and it was flat.
It was flat to the point where I'm going, someone's holding platinum at 900 bucks, right?
I mean, it was flat, flat.
And the bullish case for platinum is fundamentals.
It's not a meme. It's not a momentum. It's not a technical analysis.
It's not some 200-day moving average.
It's the fact that there's very little platinum above ground.
We're in deficit production.
And we're just flat out going to run out if we don't up the production or stop the consumption, right?
And it's like two or three years, boom, gone.
And so you want to own platinum in South Africa's potentially failed state,
which will make the price of platinum go way up because it's 90% of the platinum production.
So if the Marxists get a hold of the platinum mines,
there's not going to be a lot of platinum coming out of them, right?
We know that drill.
and so I was watching and I asked a couple technical analysts
I said what in this plot which is flat would get your attention
and they gave me various price targets that they would consider
a wiggle that had outwiggled the channel that it was stuck in
and I formulated a plan and I probably hit the bid nine times this year
and starting right away which caught the very very beginning of the move
all the way up to the present, which is pretty much even.
And so I'm probably up, I don't know, 45% integrated over the nine purchases.
But I'm still not up.
I mean, I'm still not up to a big position.
I don't love, Rick Rule once said, got a hunch, buy a bunch.
Doesn't work very well.
You get hurt.
You suffer gambler's ruin pretty fast.
What do you think, I mean, has anyone, the non-gold bugs,
that are the macro people that you follow or talk to?
Are they looking at a 70% move in gold
and kind of saying that's more than interesting?
I mean...
Well, it could be telling us something, right?
I mean, there's information in it potentially.
It could even be something as ridiculous
as tether buying gold, right?
So, but it could be telling us
that there's a fundamental problem.
It really started its move when we weaponized the dollar against Putin,
and one could make the argument that, therefore, it is a fundamental-based move.
Anyone who tells you they know what price it ought to be is out of their mind,
they're a liar or they're delusional.
And you can make an argument like, well, if you denominated all the dollars in the world in gold,
gold would go to $49,000.
I'm okay with that argument.
I have trouble with the argument that says that it will do that, but you can do math.
I'm very tired of people who price other stuff in gold and say,
oh, it really hasn't gone up if you price it in gold.
And I go, well, I'm sorry, but gold may be a great store of value over the long term.
It's a volatile asset.
So I like to ask the question, if you're going to buy a house a year from now,
and you had half a million dollars,
you were going to pay cash,
but it wasn't going to be ready to buy
until a year from now,
and you didn't want to get humped,
what would you put it in?
It would be a CD, right?
It wouldn't be Bitcoin,
it wouldn't be gold,
it wouldn't be Nvidia,
because then you could wake up a year from now
and say, oh, fuck, I can't afford the house.
It would be a CD
because the price of what we buy
is still denominated in dollars.
When gold goes up 60% this year, my groceries didn't get 60% cheaper.
They didn't change.
They're constant.
They're drifting up because of the depreciation of the dollar, but they're predictable, right?
I mean, whereas in the price of gold, they've gotten unbelievably cheap, and that just doesn't make sense.
So I don't like that people would denominate things in gold and pretend that it has wisdom in it.
I don't buy the model at all.
Do you think there's a monetary regime change at hand here?
Yeah, potentially.
But during that change, price is not going to be a good indicator of anything but the fact that change is occurring, right?
That's interesting.
All right.
Well, you know, what about, you know, we're 10 months into Trump, and you just talked about, and I don't want to make this all about Trump, but it seems to be like every narrative goes through Trump here.
But recently, 50-year mortgage, 15-year car loan been floated.
Yeah, I hate it.
If someone posted something that finally caught, that really caught my attention, you know
that meme from the New World Order that says you'll own nothing, you'll be happy.
Someone showed a meme with a 50-year mortgage that says you'll own nothing and you'll be
happy.
That's when it really clicked.
I'd already figured out, you know, a 50-year mortgage, you're a renter.
You're not buying a house if you have a 50-year mortgage, you're a renter.
And you can make it a 100-year mortgage and it becomes officially you're a renter.
And then, except for you have responsibility of the house.
You can't say, well, fuck it, I'm moving next year when the lease is up, right?
You have the goddamn house.
And the 15-year car loan, you're going to buy a car that has a life expectancy of eight years on a 15-year loan?
That's insanity.
And so I got in an interview with a friend, and he said that rates have to go down to make housing more affordable.
And I go, no, the price of houses have to come down.
I want rates to go up.
I'm the only guy on Twitter who says rates should go up.
They're too low, in my opinion.
Yeah.
Well, and also, just because the Fed lowers the rate doesn't mean the mortgage rates go down.
That's right.
And in fact, that would be, I think the Fed's probably a little nervous that they'll do something,
and then the world will say, wait a minute, you're not in control of that anymore?
Right?
They don't want to make a move without, it's like a lawyer.
in a courtroom does want to ask a question that they don't know the answer to.
And so I think the Fed isn't going to try to save the system
until they know that what they do will appear to be saving it.
So they will save it after it's run out of fuel, right, after the burn.
The uncontrolled burn has turned into a controlled burn.
Then they'll show up and spray water on it and say,
we've put out the flames, we're heroes.
and you know these guys who say dropping rates is bullish are ignoring facts so if you look at the
fed funds rate you look at the the dot-com call drop in price you look at the you look at the the
0809 drop in price of equities the the top is nailed by the first rate cut that that that calls
the top. While they're lowering rates, equities were dropping like stones. And then the bottom
was called when the Fed stopped lowering rates. And so while the Fed is dropping rates, you're
probably in a swan dive. And then they say, you know, and they talk about how rising interest
rates is unbullished for gold. They go, have you forgotten the 1970s, right? The 1970s gold
sword and interest rates sword. And you go, oh, let me see if I got this right. Interest rates go up
when inflation becomes a risk. Gold goes up when inflation becomes a risk. Therefore, they ought to
correlate, right? That's a kind of goes without saying. What do you think of the notion or the
memes, the big print or, you know, nothing stops this train? I don't buy it. I think right now
nothing is stopping this train. I've been trying to rebrand it. And I don't know if it's original,
but I don't hear other people saying it yet,
but I'm still trying to rebrand it.
It's a complacency bubble.
So I don't think there's anyone in the market right now
who's euphoric.
They might be pushing their chips all in,
but this is not, you know, this is not 1929
where people thought that it was just nothing but blue skies, right?
We just invented electricity, planes, cars.
we are at a permanent plateau of prosperity as Fisher said right Or the nifty fifty where tech had really gone wild and the US was post rocking
The dot com bubble where the internet had been invented and we're going, holy shit,
this is just a whole new world.
Or even the real estate bubble where everyone's going, hey, we can all buy houses now.
We're living the American dream, right?
Now it's everyone's pissed off at their neighbor.
They think everything sucks, but they think the Fed's somehow going to protect them from
being 200% over historical average valuation.
200% easily demonstrably trivial illustration 200% over historical average valuation, which
I defined from 1880 to 1990.
18.8 and 1990, Case-Shiller PE averaged around 12, 13. It's now 40. If 110 years doesn't form a
baseline for you, I can't help you, right? You're demanding too much of it. We can go back to ancient
Rome and try to figure out a better baseline, but it's not going to work. We've had 30 or 40 years
of recency bias where it just keeps from 1980 to the present. The valuations, which shouldn't trend,
have compounded 4% a year, compounded 4% a year,
the valuations, something, the price divided by something
they ought to track have compounded 4% a year.
What happens when that reverses, right?
We've had this discussion before, I bet.
When that, what if it goes negative 4% a year
for the next 40 years, you go, that never happened?
Well, yeah, I think it will actually,
because there's never been an overvalued asset
that didn't find its way back to cheap.
Show me one, right?
And if you show me one that didn't go back to cheap and use a five-year window, no thank you.
I'm uninterested in your, I'm uninterested in the case you're trying to make.
How fast did, or how long did it take Amazon to come back when it crashed from like around $100 to $6 in like 2000?
And I ask that because is it possible AI, robotics, and Bitcoin bring some, usher in some sort of economic renaissance?
You know, is it a non-zero chance?
Like right now, I think the cap around AI is not going to return an ROI in the near future.
I don't even think they have all the power to plug in all the chips they're buying.
I think there's a lot of financial wizardry behind some of those deals.
but maybe this all you know maybe they go through their dot-com moment and amazon's come out of it
and other economic powerhouses that we don't see right now well amazon came out of getting getting
carpet bombed right that's what i'm saying so like things and by the way it was name name a company
that sells dot-com in its name that survived besides i mean amazon's not amazon.com anymore
which is Amazon.
Right.
Facebook's not the Facebook.
The dot coms got carpet bombed, right?
So what are the big ones?
Facebook came later.
eBay has done well.
Amazon has done well.
But then social media came out of that, online.
Right, right, right.
I don't doubt it.
But the NASDAQ went down to 83%.
So if you carpet bomb the markets
the way I believe they deserve to be carpet bombed,
then there will be companies
that will be transformational
that will, in retrospect,
look like they were brilliant things to buy.
There will be tons of companies
that will be the global crossings of the modern era.
And so bubbles serve a purpose, actually.
And that is a bubble will provide capital
to every imaginable harebrained idea,
and some of them will turn out to be profoundly important.
The problem is you can't have a bubble every 10 years.
That's just, you can't do creative destruction that fast without the destruction becoming more than the creative part.
So, bulldoze your house every five years and build a better one and tell me how that works out for you.
Right?
And it won't.
So every once in a great while when maybe there's this pent-up human creativity that's just waiting to be released,
then all of a sudden you flood the world with stupid capital,
and some thought influencers will come out and they'll change the world.
But it's inefficient, right?
But it at least gets them out there.
But it's not, you can't do it every 10 years.
You can't, you know, Blockbuster's gone.
That's okay.
It was creative destruction.
But, you know, there are fast food stores that are going to go.
But they were around for a while.
So what you have to do from each generation of tech is you've got to pay the bills before you bulldoze and get the next generation.
If every generation fails to pay the bills, you're just building up a debt.
And that hit me one day when one of my colleagues, we went through this 20-year period where we renovated labs in a building that was built in 1960.
and they were just overdue.
And so we would renovate them
and then hire a person, put them in it.
And so it was a kind of a staged program.
At one point, there was a discussion
of hiring someone, putting them in labs
that had been renovated six years earlier.
And they said, oh, we got to renovate them again.
I go, no, you can't renovate labs,
get six years and then renovate them again.
That's just terrible economics.
The generation has to,
you have to be able to depreciate the asset and get your money back.
And if not, it was a bad investment.
Makes sense to me.
I don't know.
Maybe not.
But, you know, so AI is a particularly bleak one, in my opinion.
I think it will be transformational.
You can already see things you can do with it that you go, oh, boy.
And I'm not talking about the AI.
I'm talking about the fact that you can search using a question rather than having to click links, right?
And I love the fact that I can search on Grok and it tells me where to start thinking.
So if I don't have a clue where to start, I'll ask something to Grok and then Grok will give me these paragraphs.
I go, okay, I got a follow up on these.
You can't take that as the answer.
I mean, Grok's full of crap.
But it's a great way to get a synopsis to get you started, to start fact checking.
And so it will be transformational, I think.
And some stuff's overdue.
Like, why couldn't 15 years ago, why couldn't doctors plug into a computer program the symptoms of the patient and get told what possible diseases exist?
Right.
With the various probabilities even, right?
Saying, look, here's your best bet.
A friend of mine just died a couple weeks ago.
He went to the ER.
They said he had a pinched nerve two days later, a massive heart attack.
I don't know the details, but I have got to figure someone fucked up pretty badly.
Because I'm guessing the pinched nerve is probably somewhere in his left shoulder.
Right?
And now it's possible they did all the tests and they showed negative.
And so they did what they were supposed to do.
And they said, okay.
And then somehow it got by him right now.
Okay.
But I'm guessing it was probably someone who didn't do their job right.
So where am I going with all this?
You can't do creative destruction nonstop.
You can't spend a fortune.
Now what's AI?
Well, AI is spending trillions of dollars.
on hardware that has the life expectancy of a banana, right?
And you fill a bunch of huge, there's an AI facility.
It was first quoted to me in a meeting I was at about a week and a half ago
by a well-known guy who got it wrong, but I'll give you the corrected version.
There's an AI facility in Louisiana that's 70 football fields.
The site is a square mile, and it's going to use more electricity than New Orleans, right?
Now, they're going to fill that 70 football fields with servers that won't be worth shit in four years, right?
They'll be as valuable as a Mac SE.
And are they going to spend another trillion and another trillion?
Or is software going to put them right out of business because all of a sudden we can do AI on your phone now?
You know, I mean, so it's got to be, AI is a wipeout coming.
You can see it coming.
There's criminality all over it.
There's, I'm not going to name names, but one of the most prominent guys himself looks like a sociopath.
He actually looks like an AI.
He's got the dead eyes of AI, which I think are the dead eyes of a sociopath.
and he's out there begging the government to fund AI
because we need to for national security.
And you got Jensen Huang out there saying China's going to win.
What's that?
Translation, Trump, give the U.S. more money to buy my chips, right?
I wouldn't trust Jensen Huang as far as I can throw him.
He's got a track record that tells me not to trust him, right?
And this kind of money, it's like the sports scandal, right?
Right?
And you go, why would these guys take money to throw a game when they're paid this much?
And I go, because some mobster will walk up and says, we're going to kneecap you.
They didn't do it for the money.
They didn't because some guy walked up and said, you're going to fucking die if you don't throw the game.
And I heard about eight months ago something about the Powerball.
Billion-dollar lotteries were rigged.
And I picked up very little on it, but I'm going, well, when you've got billions of dollars at stake,
you have to ask, is someone trying to rig it?
And you go, well, but, you know, they're audited.
And I go, yeah, by the same guys who audited all the goddamn banks in 08-09, right?
So some mobster comes up and says to the auditor, you know, by the way, we're going to kneecap your ass if you don't make sure that you let us rig it, right?
And then I read another article more recently about some Zorro trust that won one of the Powerballs.
And it turns out it was tied to Epstein.
And I'm going, okay, so we've got Mossad and CIA funding themselves by rigging Powerballs.
Now, if I were Joe Sixpack and I were buying Powerball tickets,
because I cannot, I have zero probability of getting out of the hole that I'm in.
But if I buy a Powerball ticket, the probability is no longer zero.
And then I find out it's still zero.
I'm going to be pretty mad.
Yeah, but what a great way to skim the money from the people.
Yeah, yeah.
Volunteer.
Not only do you print the money, and then you take it.
Then they take it.
Yeah.
And all of a sudden it makes total sense.
And I go, and again, the sports gambling makes total sense in retrospect.
I used to watch guys watch the NFL games.
I haven't watched a lot of sports because my wife doesn't want to.
And my free time is I can't just park in front of a TV.
And they were saying, you know, the NFL looks like professional wrestling now.
And I thought they were just pissed off because their team lost.
Now I'm not sure.
I used to be amazed at how good NFL referees were.
I'd watch the instant replay and I'd go, oh my God, his foot did touch the line.
I can't believe the referee saw that.
To me, the referees were God.
The instant replay showed that.
But I can't tell you for sure that that guy didn't intentionally step on the line.
I don't think Gasbell's the most rigged of all of them.
I mean, there's less players.
Yeah, air balls.
All you gotta do is throw some shitty air balls.
Miss a free throw.
Yeah, bonk it.
bonk the rim uh i mean they say uh you know they took jordan's dad to pay his gambling debts his
uh legal gambling debts that's the one of the conspiracy theories what happened they took that
they took jordan's dad michael jordan's dad they killed him to repay his illegal gambling debts
interesting and and that was also why he had to leave the mba for a couple years
you mean to go to baseball i mean kanye talks about this and you know they you know you have
the sacrifice so kanye's mom bill cosby's son well i was just about to mention bill cosby's son is
a tape you have to replay now and they say lebron sacrificed kobe well lebron lebron's got got dirt
all over him on the diddy story yeah yeah lebron lebron was up to his eyeballs and diddy but they
seem to have pushed the diddy story aside for them well so what did they convict him of prostitution
so so the diddy story is actually i think pretty simple to understand so diddy was doing all this
he was kind of a epstein for the hood right he was he was epstein for the uh the part of the
entertainment industry that they couldn't get to very easily you know the the rappers and the
Praise Hollywood elites, some of them.
And so he did the videotaping and all the blackmailing type of shit.
But then someone sued him.
And this lawsuit, I looked at the lawsuit casually.
I've got a link to it.
And it had some pretty grisly stuff in it.
And I think they said, holy shit, they had to arrest him to go in and do a raid on his house to get the tapes, to get it the hell away from the civil court.
So now the civil trial is based on he said she said Right And then they let him fend for himself for a little bit and then let him off with some light charges And he going to be out of jail in no time whatsoever
And it's like, it's better than us capping you, dude.
So shut up.
And by the way, whenever something bad happens, family members, all of a sudden,
they get charged with having child porn on their computer
because they don't need family members screaming about how innocent their loved one is either.
So Stephen Paddock, when he shot up Vegas, the whole thing was just totally farcically wrong.
His brother all of a sudden had kiddie porn on his computer.
And his brother, one time the press tried to hit him,
and I've never seen a guy try harder to say nothing than his brother.
He just, it was incoherent babbling, and it wasn't.
And the woman who supposedly went into Uvalde to get her kid,
she came out and babbled incoherently saying nothing.
There's just, and who is it that the brother, the brother of one of the Trump shooters.
The first Trump shooter is an interesting story because I do think he tried to hit him.
The second one, I don't think there was even an assassination involved.
I think the whole thing was a farce.
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I think the first one, you know, I'm inclined to believe the first one.
I think the guy boned it.
I think he was supposed to shoot Trump and then they were supposed to shoot him and then
clean up the mess, right?
I think the shot of Trump might have actually come from the building that the guy was laying on, not the guy.
Yeah, like from a window.
From a window.
There's so many possibilities.
And there's a lot of bullet analysis.
I think it's possible that none of it was supposed to hit Trump and that it was supposed to.
Well, if a bullet hit his ear, that's too close to be faked.
If a bullet hit his ear.
I don't know if a bullet hit his ear.
No, I don't.
If it didn't hit his ear, then we don't know.
But if a bullet hit his ear, then I'd say, no, it's not like it hit him in the arm, right?
Hitting him in the ear is pretty damn close.
But for all we know, Trump reached up and zipped himself with a razor blade to get the blood, right?
Yeah, or a pill pop or whatever.
Yeah, who knows, right?
The whole thing was so perfect.
Kind of the age of assassinations or at least viral ones.
And, you know, you had the UnitedHealthcare CEO.
We had the one, I think it was at Blackstone.
Yeah, so Manjoni looks like an MKUltra assassin to me.
He doesn't look in any way legit to me.
Right.
Normal. He doesn't look normal.
You know, I don't know.
It seems like, remember, we used to have serial killers.
And those kind of went away when we started getting mass killers like we have now.
All SSRI victims.
What did you make of the Charlie Kirk assassination?
Well, he did get killed, I think.
I think the people say he's not dead.
What are you going to do with the guy if he's not dead?
Epstein could be on an island somewhere with a facelift and drinking daiquiris.
But Charlie Kirk, you're not going to get it.
So Charlie Kirk did get whacked.
There are so many possible shooters that it's clear that whoever whacked him
set up a confusing set of theories intentionally.
There's all sorts of strange stuff all over this story.
the one thing I do not believe is the guy on the roof did it that that's been blown apart I think
what I link about the Charlie Kirk the Trump Butler thing and the 9-11 thing and 9-11 was in
the age of television but it seemed like there was sort of one clip or one angle sort of just fed to
the world instantaneously so sort of a very control I guess controlled is it just seems like
I don't know how to put my fingers on, but like a narrative, sort of produced in the moment live
or pre-produced or the whole, you know, and and somehow they prevent any other angles and clips
to get out, at least for years, especially with 9-11. Well, it took me. I mean, the second I saw
Building 7 go down, I said, oops, that's not right. That defies the laws of physics. I don't
give a damn what you say now. Building 7 was enough. But it turns out 9-11, there's thousands
of things that don't make sense, but there's three or four that just seem impossible. The two for me
are Building 7, which should never have collapsed. I don't think the tower should have. I think chaos
here, he says, that as the towers were collapsing, something would have made them go slightly
asymmetric, and then it would have been over. And then to do it twice, right? Who knows? I don't know
they did it yeah and the pentagon doesn't make sense but i i don't even think i don't think charlie
kirk was necessarily i just don't think what we saw was 100 real you don't think you don't think
he got hit in the neck in the blood yeah that all looked very not real to me really they didn't carry
him to an ambulance no no that no no once he's hit then everything's wrong i understand what you're
saying i i just i didn't i mean i could i can i didn't see blood trailing on the floor i saw a lot
of things that just look like anomalies to me well the problem is if he got hit in the spine
very strange um well his wife's a complete eyeball the videos with his children look strange like it
it reminds me of like john bonnet ramsey or like paul walker you know michael hastings the the
the amount of money behind the organization the amount of influence um the way he was flown home
on air force two uh like it doesn't seem like there's an autopsy doesn't seem like there's a
He went from being Charlie Kirk to Jesus Christ 2.0.
Yeah, like all of it.
At best, he was a podcaster or influencer in terms of like national renown.
So they were like going home in Air Force Two was very similar to like maybe JFK's assassination when they flew him.
You know, and it's like so they just didn't.
I don't want to offend anybody.
Maybe it is real.
And look, 9-11, I don't think is exactly how we saw it.
But I do think the buildings disappeared and people died.
So it's like.
Oh, I know.
that yeah people died i'm not saying there might not have been real bullets and real victims and
things of this nature uh but it just had like and the way they swept the crime scene away
both similar to butler similar to like took away the camera behind him and things like that the
camera all of it just didn't add up to me well also the mike mike mccoy video the mike berk
follower and it was just it was on my phone like instantaneously like so i think erica kirk looks
It's beyond comprehensible to me.
Mike McCoy, the Mike McCoy video is a terrible, terrible look for TPSA.
So if I had to lay out a theory, TPSA looks pretty guilty to me.
Israel looks pretty guilty to me.
They say, you know, Max Abrams, not Max the other one.
There's one who's a good guy.
Some guy's been harassing me saying, you know, show me evidence that Israel did it.
And I go, I don't have evidence that Israel did it.
All I know is that once you rule out a crazy shooter, you say, okay, now who are the possible shooters?
Israel's got to go right to the top of the list.
Right to the top, period.
QED.
Have to.
Because Charlie was fighting Israel.
And so, now, there are other candidates.
Maybe he was martyred.
maybe maybe the republican party said that's what i think it like whether he's alive or not
again i'm not trying to go down that rabbit hole too much but i i think he was martyred
i think it was and it was sort of well they certainly turned it into martyrdom immediately
yeah and i mean they even had a stadium booked like eight months yeah way too soon yeah way
It works.
And, you know, it.
Yeah.
So.
But watch Erica Kirk.
And I thought it was, to me, some of the symbolism there was literally he's wearing the freedom shirt.
And so to me, and he gets shot in the neck, you know, so it's like they killed freedom of speech that day.
Right.
And whether, you know, even if he's, again, it doesn't matter what happened to him, that the message is like inverted.
Well, they also flunked Health Care 101 when they threw him in the SUV.
They should have tried to stop any bleeding right there on the spot.
They didn't.
They just carried him away.
By the way, I'll put Ashley Babbitt on the list of people that make no sense.
I was going to write about Ashley Babbitt pretty thoroughly about how I thought that she didn't get shot,
but I didn't doubt she was dead by the time they got her out the door
because I think a needle in the ass would be enough to do that.
And I showed it to some very smart people, and they said,
I see what your point is.
I see the problems you're seeing in the tapes, but I'm not sure.
And so I kind of dialed it back and made some subtle statements
and provided a bunch of links and said, here, make up your own mind.
About three years later, Cheryl Atkinson,
who is a highly credible, one of my favorite journalists,
sat there with two federal agents watching the tape saying,
this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong.
So they finally got on the Ashley Babbitt story.
Three years later, and I'm exonerated.
I got exonerated on that one.
I mean, Charlie Kirk's father was an architect on Trump Tower.
Right.
Erica Kirk, her first pageant was a Trump pageant.
And what'd she do before that?
Well, right after that, she went to Romania.
and now before that she went through oh was it after yeah it was right after i don't think so
she was she was she was running a company in romania when she's 17. right and it was something
like romania's angels which is very close to tate's angels andrew tate well also that they had been
rumored to be trafficking children right right most of these not-for-profits seem to be and i
know i feel i yeah so so but you watch her she looks like a zombie i she really does look like
MKUltra to me. She looks like a product of MKUltra. You know, they rip your personality apart,
they repackage you. By the way, the Miss Arizona, she's competing against pros. She's
competing against hot chicks who for their entire lives have been training to win these pageants.
You don't just take a hot chick, put a bikini on her and have her win Miss Arizona.
Right.
By the way, you might be able to win Miss Alaska that way because your competitors might be grizzly bears and stuff, right?
Miss Arizona, you're competing against some real talent down there.
And you don't win those pageants as a rookie.
And I've talked to a pageant winner about that and said, am I correct on that assumption?
She said, absolutely.
These girls are trained their whole lives going to pageants to refine their shtick to win Miss Arizona, Miss USA.
Yeah, so I found it interesting. It brings up the notion that you got into, or even talking a lot about, is like signal versus noise. And it's really hard to kind of get to really figure anything out.
Well, I'm getting frustrated to the point where I'm at a serious fork in the road as to what to do about it.
Because this year, for example, you know I write a year in review.
I will not be writing a normal one this year, period.
If you look at my pinned tweet, you'll notice a fundamental change.
My pinned tweet is a 404 error.
I'm foreshadowing the problem.
And the problem is, if you were to write about the year 2025, it would be like 95% Trump, right?
It would have to be 95% Trump, the Trump against the world, the various players, but it would be 95% Trump.
He's man of the year again, right?
And I don't find so much of it believable.
I don't find it interesting.
I don't I'm I'm I'm still clinging to hope that he's playing 3D chess.
And what we're seeing is a guy who's battling dark forces.
And what we're seeing is the wins that he can get, not the wins that he wants.
Whereas I'm totally sympathetic to the view that he's all part of the problem.
It's all bullshit. And he's a liar.
And I think he's a bigger psyop than COVID.
I have no problem with that theory. You and I are not going to get in a fight over that theory.
So, and when I say hope, it's only because...
Do you think he makes it through the midterms? I don't know if he makes it through the end of the year.
You mean just because of his health? Because of his health?
I think that it's... First of all, I think that maybe they're not getting everything they want out of him.
Oh, I think they're getting everything they want.
I think they're getting some things. I think they want Vance.
And I think, I don't know if they want to wait for a vote.
But I think Trump is working just fine for them.
They're getting everything they want.
What are they not getting?
I don't think they're getting enough, probably more technological surveillance.
You know, Aaron Day?
Yeah yeah Aaron Day did a podcast with him yesterday He thinks they getting everything That one of the reasons I want to have him on the show You should have him on the show And he looks at AI very interesting I think too Well he was in the tech world before Amazon was invented right
I mean, he was ground zero in the tech world.
And he's got an interesting presentation where it's a combination of optimism about AI and where it could go and what it could do.
and has no trouble with the idea that it could be catastrophic
in some short, medium-term thing.
I look at Sam Altman and I go,
there's no way that guy's anything but trouble.
No chance.
I mean, that interview, I forget who it was with.
He said you're accusing me?
Yeah.
Yeah, it was Tucker.
It was like a Christopher Guest movie.
Right.
He said, it sounds like you're accusing me,
and Tucker said, oh, no, no, no,
I'm just blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
You know, it's about Sam's co-worker who had a suspicious suicide
that sounded more like a friend of the Clintons than anything.
And Sam says, ah, sounds like you're accusing me.
And Tucker says, oh, no, no, no, no.
And Tucker just said, I'm just asking about it.
And then he says, it sounds like you're accusing me.
And then Tucker did, oh, no, no, no.
And then he says, it sounds like you're accusing me, right?
And Sam was trying to tee up Tucker for a lawsuit or something.
I don't know what he was trying to do.
or warning him, don't go there.
Because, by the way,
it was like basically based on the evidence.
I mean, it appears that,
and their family feels that you were somewhat or highly involved.
It seemed like Tucker was like, well, I can understand why people might.
Tucker was saying someone whacked him.
Tucker was saying it looks like someone whacked him.
Okay.
Not like you're the someone?
No, I think he left that.
Tucker likes to leave things to the imagination of the listener.
So he did his 9-11 series, which to me wasn't a great series because he left too much to the imagination.
Okay, someone whacked him.
What do you think the odds were Sam Altman was involved with that someone or knew of him?
I'm not qualified, but if I had to guess.
No, no, no.
But if I had to say what I think Tucker believes, I'd say, yeah, he thinks he whacked him.
But he wasn't going to say it.
So that's insane.
Like, it's like talking to, like, you know, Saddam Hussein.
Like, it's like literally you're talking to a dictator, like someone who's had people killed.
Right.
If he whacked his co-worker, you're accusing a guy who whacked his co-worker of whacking his co-worker.
Seems like a problem, right?
On top of a trillion dollar business.
Right.
I mean, that is a lot of assassins with that money.
Yeah.
I mean, if people are going to cheat at Powerball.
I know.
Which is nothing compared to AI.
I mean, I also I mean, I think it's possible these Epstein files and emails and I'm not saying I mean, they seem to be coming out.
Seem to be later emails after Trump was elected.
But I mean, this this kind of thing could take Trump down in weeks.
Or it could just be teasing us.
Or it could be teasing us and be sort of like a steel dossier.
Like someone posted something today.
I saw again, I'm not paying attention because for some reason I no longer care because I don't think we're going to get a straight answer.
Yeah.
I think all these guys have been indicted who probably should go to prison for 20 years for treason.
Right?
Comey, Clapper, Brennan, these guys.
They're not going to go to prison.
No.
Right?
Here's what I think Trump's doing.
He's putting the bad guys on defense.
So they can spend the next three years, instead of being bad guys, playing defense.
I don't know.
No, if you've got your enemies playing defense, they can't play offense.
That's what they did to him for four years.
Right.
They made him play defense.
Isn't he going to play defense for the last two years?
I don't know.
I'm not sure he looks that far out.
But I didn't even, you might be right.
He could be totally kayfabe.
He could be just a psyop.
I think it's all kayfabe.
I think even this, even if he doesn't go down for the Epstein things,
I think it's kayfabe.
Either way.
I had a guy call me and tell me a ton of stuff that connected various
relatives of Candace Owens with Charlie Kirk, right?
So there's an obituary.
He sent me an obituary, for example, of a woman named Erica Kirk.
It's a little odd that Erica and Kirk show up in one person's name.
It's a woman and you go, and he says that is a relative of, I can't even remember.
So he told me all the shit over the phone for about an hour and a half.
I said, you have to make a diagram.
You have to make a graphical depiction showing these connectivities because it's not processable
by a phone call. You've got to make a diagram. Now, he's talking about not being able to trust
anyone. He sent it to someone who shall remain nameless, but a name we know. And then he realized
that he sent it potentially to the enemy, and he realized I shouldn't have sent it to that person.
And he was able to get through to that person. And that surprised me. And he said,
I got through because I sent enough information. I say, oh, tell me what you have, right?
And he said, there's no one I can trust.
I said, well, how do you know I'm not a psyop?
And he says, I don't.
He says, but you spend enough time doing other random shit that if you're a psyop, you're wasting a lot of your time.
So I'm saying, okay, that's pretty good reasoning.
Would you connect Melania to the Epstein thing?
I mean, I've heard rumors that.
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Well, yes, but not getting uncomfortable.
And that is to say that I think Epstein, one of the theories of Epstein out there is that it was less about blackmail and more about social lubrication.
And that is you bring in famous people who are pervs and you know that they like children and you know that they like teenage girls or whatever.
And so you provide that. And that's what Epstein was doing.
I think that's a watered-down version of what Epstein was doing, but I can't rule it out.
I think it was Mike Benz who said that.
Now, Mike Benz is a complicated person because he's encyclopedic on stuff that tells me he's deeply embedded in the system.
And where he got it, I don't know.
He says the right stuff.
And we are connected, and we've had a few brief digital chats and stuff.
And, you know, I can't criticize him, but he's deeply knowledgeable about this dark world.
And so I think it's possible that Epstein provided dates to powerful people with the hottest babes on the planet and they linked up.
So Melania coming through Epstein might just be that it was a date, an arranged date.
Sure. Yeah. I mean, how arranged is really one of the questions I would think.
But, you know, you go from sort of the social lubrication side to, I mean, Epstein was connected to MIT, Bill Gates.
Well, MIT has problems. Stanford has problems.
Labs on his compound, you know, doing medical experiments.
There are rumors. I mean, it seems.
I know. It's dark.
But then it's weird because his background is so strange where he's like, he's a dropout, a high school dropout.
I know this story. And then teaches at the prestigious all-girls school.
by what's his face's father
Donald
the attorney general's
son or father
who wrote the perverted
science fiction books
I mean it goes on and on
he ends up working at Morgan Stanley
for Ace
but no one knows who the fuck he is really
but then he's allegedly
super smart guy
hanging out with scientists
figuring out the future of the world with AI
crypto and transhumanism.
He was kind of a human router.
Ghislaine supposedly flies helicopters and submarines.
His job was to connect with extremely powerful people
and connect them with extremely powerful people.
And he was a human router.
I actually understand that a little bit.
I have a little bit of that gene in me.
So if I see a podcaster and I see someone
I think it was a good idea, I'll connect him.
Right.
It's kind of an instinct or something.
And maybe I should have been a talent scout or something.
And so he certainly did that.
He certainly was networking.
He was a professional networker.
And so I do think, though, that there's incredibly dark stuff under the surface.
I one time was on a Zoom call with an Army intel officer who's famous as hell named Tony Schaffer.
And he is unambiguously Army intelligence because they booted him and he's famous.
And I asked him, you know, the Clinton Foundation traffic children, he said, absolutely.
That's on a public podcast that has about 500 clicks total.
But he said, absolutely, yeah, sure.
Right.
Madonna and Oprah, it seems like they all have these.
Oprah always gets a finger pointed at her.
And it's complicated because she knows everybody.
So she's going to get a guilt by proximity.
But then all of a sudden there's pictures of her with a guy named Father of God.
Right.
There's pictures of Rosalind Carter with Reverend Jim Jones of Jonestown.
Other pictures of her with John Wayne Gacy, the guy with 33 bodies in his basement.
What the hell is Rosalind Carter doing hanging around with that?
It just, the world, and someone said to me, I can't remember, but someone I thought was kind of new this shit said that Carter was very much in the club.
The club being the guys in the know.
He wasn't some outsider peanut farmer that he was sold as.
I'm sure Vance is deep psyop.
I mean, that seems unambiguous almost, right?
Yeah, it's a magical fairy tale, the ride.
Yeah.
A lot of cool things.
The theology was to tee up the story, you know, the whole thing.
He was living in Ohio at that point.
So he was raised by hillbillies maybe, but he wasn't a hillbilly.
Went to Yale, I think, with Vivek.
Right.
Way too many connections.
All of a sudden he gets out of Yale Law School.
Tings out with Teal.
Schmidt and Teal and these guys.
This is a little too convenient for me.
Yeah.
But Obama's fucked up, right?
They're all fucked up.
The Clintons are fucked up.
So someone said it.
They said, you know, every four years we vote for president and we end up with John McCain.
What is it?
It means that no matter who you elect, you end up with John McCain.
You end up with some guy who's going to bomb the shit out of people.
And John McCain is a dark past.
John McCain, besides the fact that his POW story is obviously embellished up the kazoo,
but he also at one point was hot dogging in his jet and it caused an explosion and killed some like 94 sailors.
and that all got covered up.
And then his wife, Cindy,
was talking about how no one did anything about Epstein.
Well, she worked for an organization
that was supposed to fight for human rights
and bring dignity to life and stuff like that.
And I go, how about you, Cindy?
I've written about this
because Cindy is one of the many
who've attacked me this year.
And so fuck you, Cindy.
You know, you're going to eat my shorts.
What do you think in this new era of like,
you brought up Candace Owens
and Nick Fuentes.
How do you explain?
How would you put them in the spectrum?
How would you explain them?
Candace, there are people who are trying.
She's now being discredited with the greatest of effort imaginable.
So they're really trying to destroy any reputation of hers.
Could she herself be a psyop?
I can't rule it out
for once you hide around with Charlie
if the Charlie stories fucked up
then the Candace Owens stories
I was supposed to have dinner with Candace and Charlie one time
and the event got cancelled
because free speech is not allowed on a college
campus you know that sort of thing
Was that at Cornell?
Yeah, the student just raised so much hell
they say fuck it
Years ago
Like 10 years ago or 8?
Maybe 8
maybe five. It was before anyone who really knew who they were. And then they tried to take it off
campus and they got a venue and then all of a sudden the venue discovered that it was a
controversial thing. They said, fuck that, you're not coming here. And so they just canceled.
So in any case, it is almost as though nothing is as it appears to be, that everyone is
compromised. I hope like hell that someone like Ron Johnson isn't. He seems like a nice guy. He
seems to be addressing important problems. I'm a Thomas Massey fan until proven different.
He just got a new wife. Yeah, his wife died. Yeah, 16 months later.
I'm not going to tell a guy how to live that part of his life. If he was banging her the whole way, that's more of a problem. But I mean, it's not like
People in positions of power don't bag chicks, right?
If that's their biggest shortcoming, we probably have to suck that up and say, okay.
The guys who get into these positions are not normal.
That you can open up a newspaper and read horrible things about yourself and not be driven insane
is a sign that you're wired different than most of us.
What do you think of Steve Bannon?
and he seems to be in these emails again
and he seems to be a connective tissue
between Epstein and Trump.
I like Steve Bannon.
I was on a Zoom call with him actually too.
I was pissed.
I was on a Zoom call with him too.
I was pissed at the other Zoom callers
because they had a chance.
It was right before Trump's inauguration
and we have a chance of asking the guy who,
yeah, we have a chance of asking questions to Steve
about what he thinks is going to happen
when Trump takes the reins
and everyone on this fucking Zoom call
thinks it's their job to tell Steve
what their opinion is.
And I'm going,
just shut the fuck up and ask a good question.
You got Steve Bannon.
I recall with the Bitcoiners,
they were all great,
but like they were...
Yeah, I know, I know.
I'm going to ask you a question.
I mean,
And yeah, I mean, he just he did like 18 hours of interviews or something with Epstein that haven't been released.
But anyone ask him about Russiagate?
Did anyone ask Bannon about Russia?
No, but I'll tell you, you want to know about Russiagate by Jerome Corsi's book, Coup d'Etat.
Everything that Tulsi Gabbard's told us, plus a thousand times more, is in Jerome Corsi's book.
So Jerome Corsi, by the way, is in my Zoom group.
and he talks about occasionally, he gives a talk
but he's there and he's fun to talk to
he got deposed for 40 hours during Russiagate
because they were convinced that he was the connection to Assange
and so they threatened him with
you're going to go to prison for 20 years if you don't rat out Trump
and he chose not to rat out Trump
and during his Zoom call, just while I'm listening
I'm searching and there's CNN articles about Jerome Corsi being deposed and and you know will
he take the stand that sort of thing and he said no I'm not doing it and and then they let him go
they they didn't follow through with putting him in prison I don't doubt they'd throw you in prison
for 20 years just to be vindictive I don't doubt that you know if if they ever did that to me they'd
have to throw me in jail for the rest of my life because I promise you when I got out there'd be
hell to pay. Now, maybe I'd be a broken man, but I don't think so. I would, no, I have no idea.
I'd like to think, my fantasy is that if they put me in jail for 20 years, I got out,
I'd be a grizzled old man, but I'd find out who did it to me. I'd get even.
That's interesting. What do you think of Bongino and Patel?
Patel looks like a total loser to me. I think Bongino got suckered. I think Bongino went in
thinking he was going to have an effect.
I think he paid a very high price.
Patel, I think, is fucked up from head to toe at this point.
I've given up on Patel completely.
And the low point of the Epstein files,
it didn't start well when Bondi, who I think is an idiot,
and I'd written about her years back during,
I think it was Hurricane Katrina,
where I talked about stupid things she said during that.
But when she gave out the folders that had information that was pretty much at the level that I knew, right?
This was not critical information.
And somehow thought that was adequate.
And I'm going, you are in such an echo chamber, you don't realize that we all know that's bullshit?
And so they say, oh, they lied to me.
I go, no, they didn't lie to you.
You lied to us, right?
So then we don't get anything.
And some journalists, the low point, the second to lowest point was when Bongino and Patel said there's no evidence that he trafficked women.
I'm going, oh, come on.
But I think Bongino at that point was blinking SOS with his eyelids.
I think he was so out there trying to figure out how he got into this mess.
That's my hope.
my hope, because he sure talked like he was going to do it. And I thought he believed it.
I tend to believe he believed it. Patel, I read his book trying to understand Patel, and I said,
well, if he's not lying in his book, then he's a good appointment. I'm now fully convinced he's a
terrible appointment. Whether his wife is an Israeli spy is an interesting question, or his
girlfriend. The low point, however, is when a journalist asked Pam Bondi, what about the tapes?
Are we going to see those? And she said, they're just child porn. You're not going to get them.
And I go, did you hear what you just said? They're just child pornography.
You're not going to get them. And I go, that's exactly why we want. Blur out the kids,
blur out the body parts, show us the faces.
That's the demoralization campaign.
you're that's the demoralization campaign right they're child porn and you're not going to get
them right but it makes makes she's not makes me she makes me hope that she eat and die
right which i think is the desire they want 50 of the people to hate the other 50 of the people
no no we don't hate each other on that one we all hate them we hate them that person voted for the
a person I hate. No, I don't care
about who voted for what. We hate
that.
I hate Pam Bondi for saying that.
And by the way,
she's so stupid.
Here's what I think Trump could have done.
I think it's possible that they opened the
files and said, holy shit,
we can't release these.
Right? So if
by releasing the files,
Western democracies
would collapse all over the world.
Right?
is that worth releasing those files and you can make
Ron Johnson and Brett Weinstein debated this question
and Brett said we have to clean the system
we got to release things like that like on 9-11 and Ron Johnson
said are you sure it's worth it
now Ron Johnson wasn't saying that 9-11 was an inside job he's just saying
are you sure it's worth it and it's a valid question
because you say, well, you know, if we do this and, you know,
a million children will die, you go, would that be worth it?
And the answer is no, right?
So there are prices that are too high to pay.
I think it's also possible the Epstein files would have permeated
way more than just the hugely prominent guys.
It might have really dug deep into areas that you go,
oh, I didn't see that coming, you know, that sort of thing.
Yeah.
And because we don't know who's in them.
Talk about not seeing his.
You remember JFK Jr. on what on late night television?
He was in our Zoom group, by the way.
Who was?
I'm telling you, JFK Jr.
Oh, RFK Jr.
Sorry.
JFK Jr.
Yeah.
Did I tell you about the JFK Jr. tape?
Did I tell you that?
Did you go find it?
Yeah, of course.
And that was where Monica Lewinsky showed herself to be trafficked at nine years old.
Right.
He reads a poem that he published in George Magazine.
I mean, how do you get, you know, it begs so many questions.
And he seems so happy about it.
Well, happy, I'm not sure.
But don't forget he's a Kennedy.
He lived through countless traumas.
His aunt got lobotomized.
His father got killed.
His uncle got killed, right?
So if JFK Jr. wants to draw some blood, he gets to draw some blood.
And then, of course, he died.
Right when he's about to announce a run for the New York State Senate, which Hillary got instead.
Right?
If you had to bet your life savings, was Hillary behind JFK Jr. dying or not?
How would you bet?
Got him.
Put the chips all in.
The fact you're hesitating shows the problem
Well, I don't buy the official story on JFK Jr.
I don't know if it was Hillary
Well, then who killed him?
Or maybe he didn't die
I don't know
I think he died
JFK Jr., by the way, would have walked into the presidency
Yeah
He would have walked into the presidency
It would have been 90% of the vote
That guy could have gotten every vote
Let's start with this
50% of the population would have his baby, right?
I mean, the guy was a rock star in the looks category.
I'm not gay, but I'm not stupid.
And he was a moderate.
He was a Kennedy.
It was Camelot 2.0.
It was going to be trivial.
And then he dies.
I mean, it was beyond shocking.
I mean, very similar to his father.
and there's pilots who say that plane crash made no sense i'm not qualified to know to me it it's
very it's it's very it's similar to like kobe's helicopter crash and that there's just yeah that
one i've not paid enough attention why would lebron kill kobe i don't know why is there an
argument for why what's the what's the theory uh well i haven't gone down that rabbit hole the
the thread there well there are some notable uh very famous people who have lost people their
lives like kanye and his mom bill cosby and his son michael jordan his dad that and then i think
um so kobe looks strange to some people on some some angles and then somehow someone i didn't go
down the rabbit hole but linked lebron and kobe because i think helicopters are dangerous right
let's start with that some people say beyonce sacrificed when houston uh so there's like sort
of this like black magic, not in terms of African-American, but sort of like occultist
magic to climb and accrue power.
Well, I believe in the occult being active.
Right.
I've dug into this shit, and I believe that satanic cults and stuff are active.
And they are, to someone who is not slowly waded into the baby pool first, then into
the big pool later. If you've not made that trek systematically, if you read the shit that I
believe to be true, you would simply not buy it at all because it's so grisly, it's so awful,
it's such a wretched narrative that you say, that can't be true. That just can't be true.
I gotta read this poem.
Read it.
The poem is a nine-year-old Monica Lewinsky's creative writing piece,
which JFK Jr. published and brought on late night television in 1998.
The lyrics are,
I am a pizza.
I can be a delicious lunch, dinner, or breakfast if you're weird.
I have a great deal of toppings on me.
I am a round and flat piece of dough with lots of toppings.
I make your mouth water.
I'm very good to eat, but I'm fattening.
I am a mouth's best friend.
I make you say yum yum.
I am a pizza.
So if that's not Pizzagate, okay.
And that's in 1998.
And, well, JFK Jr. died soon thereafter, so if he was calling out Pizzagate, if that was the shot across the bow.
But here's the deal.
Let's say she was trafficked, right?
Now, I heard she got transferred to the Defense Department.
When do interns get transferred?
Right.
Right?
That's a funny term for an intern.
Usually you just say, get the fuck out.
This is the White House.
You're not welcome.
If that's true, we just rewrote a major chapter of history.
Monica Lewinsky is not some bimbo who Bill banged.
She was a trafficked, MKUltra trafficked woman with a job to do.
And as the trafficked women who've survived say, they're all trained to be assassins.
They are trained to do different.
You know, Kathy O'Brien, Juliet Engel, you know these names at all?
They're trafficked women who have survived.
Those are two of the more famous.
They're very tricky to listen to because to be brainwashed,
again, this is the dark part that if this is new to you,
it will simply not be imaginable.
But to be brainwashed, what they do is they take you and you're a real little kid.
And they destroy you.
They completely and utterly destroy you.
This is North Korea POW destroy you.
They turn you into a total schizophrenic.
You have multiple personalities.
They reassemble you.
And they do it through deprivation, through drugs, through torture, through torment.
I've even heard discussions that guys would dress up in satanic outfits while you're on acid
so that you have this experience and you see Satan and all this crap, right?
And then they reassemble you like they were training a working dog.
There's a video called Mind of a Dog.
And I watched that and I go this is what MKUltra was doing They were creating the equivalent of working dogs And the different dogs have different personalities They say oh this one should go with the veteran This one should go with the blind guy right And a lot of them flunk out you know And as Annika Lucas says
we're all trained to be assassins. Annika tells the story that one time she was with a bunch of
these kids and she complained of being hungry. And the guy leaves the room, walks back in,
brings a half-rotten corpse of a kid. She said it was, he could tell he's blonde hair, blue-eyed
sort of kid, but the corpse was rotten. I don't know if it's a blue-eyed, you wouldn't be able to
see that. And they had to eat it. They were all forced to eat it. She said no amount of salt or
pepper or whatever would allow you to eat a corpse without. And she was given a puppy.
And it was just, oh, a puppy. Then she had to kill it. Right? This is what they do. This is how they
destroy you, then they recreate you.
Juliet Engle, who is now fighting this cause, said that she actually got a medical degree.
You go, how would this person get a medical degree?
They train you.
You're an assassin.
You're going to be a doctor.
You're going to be whatever, right?
They create whatever they want.
And what she knew was she didn't have a shred of memory of her childhood, not a shred.
and then she started getting these little flashes with a lot of help and stuff she pieced together
sort of memories from her childhood now i asked her i was on a zoom call with those two i asked
her if she has a mechanism by which because memories are complicated so when you remember
something from your childhood you're remembering the memory it's you start remembering the memory
not the event itself.
And so one time I have a memory of something when I was two years old.
And what makes it memorable is that we moved from that house when I was two.
So a valid memory of that house is a valid memory when I was two.
And I asked my dad, I said, I have a memory of the house.
I remember being at a birthday party.
It was down the street in this direction telling him.
It was a red house.
It was a girl.
She had brown hair.
She was my age.
But that's all I remember.
He said, that would be correct.
He said, that sounds correct to me.
That describes one of our neighbors.
But otherwise, memories get vaguer and vaguer.
And you have some that you swear you remember that are not even true anymore.
So I asked her, do you have a mechanism to sort through memories and to sort of test their validity?
And she got defensive pretty quickly.
And so I backed away very quickly because you don't want to tell a victim you don't believe them.
Right. So I just immediately backed away.
But I talked to Nick Bryant, who's an expert at this shit.
He said their memories are terrible.
So if you were talking to one of these survivors and you are evaluating them based on the correctness of their memory,
you're making a huge mistake because their memories are pieced together from fragments.
and he says there are other indicators he uses.
He says, I've interviewed so many victims.
He says, I would say 98% of them,
he said, in my opinion, 98% of them were not lying.
So he wasn't running into fakes.
And the problem is, this gets back to when I look at,
so I'm on a podcast with Jim Kunstler,
might've been one of these three or four ways,
but Jim was the key guy and he has his own podcast.
But I'm on this podcast and Jim says, I interviewed a woman named Elizabeth Nixon last week.
And she was, I think she was head of Time Magazine's European division and Life Magazine's American division or vice versa.
But she was running these major divisions.
So she was not a lightweight.
And she starts talking about how she discovered that her mother was a victim of MKUltra.
And she quit her job and studied MKUltra for three years.
Nixon spelled N-I-C-K-S-O-N
and I apologize Elizabeth
if I state anything incorrectly
because this is from memory
and I've already answered
hey memories are sketchy
but so I went back and listened to the podcast
that Jim talked about from the week before
but he says she was put in an asylum in Canada
I said at McGill University right
and he goes how did you know that
I go, because that's where they all did it.
It was a guy named Ewan Cameron.
He ran the MKUltra program at McGill University at this asylum.
And they damaged just a fuck ton of people in this asylum.
And then she starts talking about, and I've been on this thread.
I've been chasing this thread.
And all of a sudden, out it comes.
She says, Kamala Harris has all the traits of an MKUltra victim.
I go bingo bingo now what I thought so I was a playful person who could really
sort of dart in and out of fun stories might have been split personalities might
have been split personalities she and as Nixon said she can't access her
intellect now if you look at her progression through up to the vice
presidency she started out as a call girl which is sex worker that's one of the
jobs right and then who are you supposed to get in with prominent people and she
got in with prominent people and she may have a district attorney or something
right with very little record of actually prosecuting any cases and and
weird photo with her and what Montel Jordan yeah she was a she was a she was
arm candy. Right. But there's also a picture where she's flat out looks like a streetwalker.
I gave a talk a couple weeks ago on this stuff. It's so odd. So I'm in an investment conference,
they gave me a workshop. And I said I was going to talk about child trafficking and geopolitics.
And the guy didn't veto it. So the workshop is something that occurs at night,
you get some subset of the meeting, they decide to either go have dinner and not go to any of them,
or they go to your talk.
6.15 in the evening.
45-minute slot.
I said, how many people am I going to get at this workshop?
And they said, 20, maybe as high as 40.
I got about 50 from that title.
I'd spoken at this meeting, so they knew it could light up.
I could light the room up if I want.
And I spoke for three hours, and no one left the room.
And what was stunning is there were at least a half a dozen people in the room who are contributing in consequential ways to the story.
So this story, these stories are getting out.
And I was stunned.
One of them is a guy, I was on his PhD committee.
He works at a major corporation and he knew so much.
I go, how'd you get into this?
He said, oh, years ago, years ago.
This is strange stuff.
You know, Macron's wife, holy moly is that story weird.
That story gets so weird, not only did she date him when she was 39 and he was 14,
which really ought to make them not valid, you know, first lady and president material, right?
That should kind of knock him out of the race.
You would think that would be a scandal and maybe you'd say, yeah, I'm not voting for that guy.
But she's a dude, probably.
Candace Owens is being sued. It'll be fascinating because all they have to do is do a DNA test.
If they do the DNA test, it will either support or refute the third theory, and that is that she also is his biological father.
That one I hadn't heard. But you could fake a DNA test.
I mean, there's a lot. We talked about him.
Well, if it's a case in court, I'm not sure you can fake it.
If the court's a legit court.
Well, you can fake anything, right?
Well, like one of the Franklin scandal victims who ended up at the Supreme Court,
Franklin scandal being one of these satanic cult things,
pedophile networks that Nick Bryant wrote about.
She ended up at the Supreme Court.
They put a judge who was not legally able to adjudicate a Supreme Court case,
and the prosecutor and the judge, they just totally fucked up the whole thing,
and she ended up losing, but it was rigged from head to toe, from head to toe.
Tell me those two, the prosecutor and the judge, shouldn't be thrown in prison for the rest of their lives, throw away the key.
They've corrupted a system that just, it's treason.
It's treason.
People get hung for treason.
Hang them.
Convict them in a court of law to the highest standards of our judicial system, and if found guilty, hang them.
Did you ever see the movie Conspiracy Theory with Mel Gibson and Julia Roberts?
Oh, yeah.
My wife used to call me Jerry.
I mean, but like they get into, you know, the fracturing the mind and not having the memories.
Wait, is that the one with where he's a nutty?
He's a psychotic guy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he's designed to kill the judge of the daughter that he loves.
But, you know, he's fighting, killing the judge because he loves the daughter.
Oh, that's a different one.
I think I've seen it, but I was thinking of the one where he.
With who's the other famous actor?
Well, this one's Mel Gibson and Julia Roberts.
It's pretty spot on from MKUltra, I think, or what I would think MKUltra is like.
I think Hollywood's job is to fictionalize reality.
So Hollywood, I'm watching a lot of pop culture now through my children.
And the amount of, because you don't have a lot of time to park myself in front of the TV and watch what I want to watch.
So you have, you know, my daughter likes, her favorite song now is from K-pop Demon Hunters, right?
Oh, Hollywood has a terrible problem.
Disney as a corporation has a terrible problem.
On the other side, the ice wall, tall people.
Boot up, praise Petey.
You know, when you listen to this.
Praise Petey is a cartoon, a Disney cartoon in which the girl, it's a cartoon,
inherits a satanic cult from her grandfather.
What?
And if you boot it up, you can find it.
You can see pictures of it.
If you're listening to this podcast, pause it.
boot up, search Praise Petey.
Right, and you see it in the Oscars and in the Olympics.
Monsters Incorporated, you see it everywhere.
The Olympics.
The 2012 Olympics in London.
Oh my God.
Satanic cult.
I don't know if you heard this one.
I mean, some people think the Statue of Liberty
is really a big statue of Lucifer.
You brought up the saneness before.
I've not heard that one.
You can go down this one.
I don't know what to do with the Mason story.
I'm bringing it all here, David.
I got another one for you that I don't think you've heard.
I'm talking about pizza.
And I'm going to go where I don't think you'd think I'd go.
As the story goes, you've heard of Bitcoin Pizza Day, I'm sure.
No.
You never heard of Bitcoin Pizza Day?
So Bitcoin Pizza Day has tremendous positive lore.
Right.
It's the day that this guy, Laszlo, he offered, he did the first economic or sort of monetary
transfer for Bitcoin.
He offered 10,000 Bitcoins.
This was like in 2010 for someone who would bring him a Papa John's pizza.
Well, that was the wasn't that the first transaction?
That was the first transaction.
So then, you know, you always see on the news Bitcoin Pizza Day.
He traded, you know, what would be a billion dollars.
Fifty billion. Fifty billion or something.
Fifty billion or a hundred billion or whatever it was.
Right. But, you know, a lot of people don't know that Laszlo went on to do this many times that year.
But let me let me go down the rabbit hole a little bit here.
This gets a little dark.
As the story goes, someone fulfilled Laszlo's order and took the 10,000 Bitcoins for two
pizzas, becoming the first transaction for Bitcoin with a major vendor.
But then Laszlo dressed one of his children in a green shirt that said, I love pizza,
and the other in a white shirt that read, I love Bitcoin, with both pizzas displayed
along with the code to verify the transaction.
If you've read the entirety of Laszlo's original post from 2010 and the creepy way he talks
about and describes pizza then you also know similar to sounds to the coded language founded
in hillary clinton and podest emails which were also from 2010 additionally 2010 2011 was the
beginning of wienergate featuring anthony wiener's laptop and the first mention ever of pizzagate by
no other than donald trump and then so here's a picture i don't know if you could see sort of
the family okay yeah i see it and then i'll read you the original and this was probably like on
some forum. This is the original. I'll pay 10,000 bitcoins for a couple of pizzas,
like maybe two large ones. So I have some leftover for the next day. I like having leftover pizza to
nibble on later. You can make the pizza yourself and bring it to my house or order it for me
from a delivery place. But what I'm aiming for is getting food delivered in exchange for bitcoins
where I don't have to order or prepare it myself. Kind of like ordering a breakfast platter
at a hotel or something.
They just bring you something to eat and you're happy.
I like things like onions, peppers, sausage, mushrooms,
tomatoes, pepperoni, et cetera.
Just standard stuff, no weird fish topping
or anything like that.
I also like regular cheese pizzas,
which may be cheaper to prepare or otherwise acquire.
If you're interested, please let me know
and we could talk, we could work out a deal.
I just thought that was kind of interesting.
Yeah there no smoking gun there No but you know there There was some weird stuff a little bit and then it just lacing in pizza with the history of Bitcoin The satanic crowd I believe so you have to
to understand the satanic crowd, you have to understand it as a religion. So once you accept
the idea that it's a religion, then you start thinking back at Aztec sacrifices and stuff,
you realize that as a religion, it can take you off some serious rails, right? And I think within
the satanic world, there is this sort of ethos that says you have to show the world,
you have to publicly display your commitment. And it's, I don't even want to do it because I don't
want someone to grab a still. I was on with a minister we talked about. I said, what's this
symbol? He says, I'm not doing it. And LeBron has done it seriously.
He does the whole enchilada.
With the beginning.
When I finally saw that after years being broken down and slowed down, I was like, whoa, that's interesting.
That's creepy weird.
And then there's the picture of LeBron in a dress that someone sent through an AI filter and said, this is not fake.
Right?
Wait, what time was that?
Someone sent it to an AI checker and it said, this is not fake.
No, it's like, yeah.
So LeBron in a dress is a pretty strange image.
I was going to check his arms against the pictures of him and ask, are those arms of LeBron's?
Because he's a pretty big guy.
And I thought the arms might look a little underdeveloped.
And so I was going to check that.
But I'm not going to write about this shit.
I thought I was going to.
I'm not going to write about it.
I've decided to just like.
It seems like the things that we, like climate change, we've, I think, sort of debunked that.
That story just changed, by the way.
That sort of just changed.
No, no, no.
Just changed a week ago.
Do you mean with like Bill Gates kind of saying it's not as bad?
Yeah.
Right.
So I'm saying that's been debunked or sort of like the air has been like.
Well, that got debunked long before Bill said it, but Bill saying it.
If you think he's just muttering.
Right, right.
It's sort of like it's now like it's getting, it's crossed the threshold where you can really
make a really great argument and people aren't going to, you can get some signal.
But do you know why Bill said that?
You know why Bill said that?
No.
Tell me.
in the way of AI.
Right, right, because they want to just use massive amounts of energy to power all the
data.
Right.
And all of a sudden they go, oh, fuck, we've got to get rid of the climate change.
It served its purpose.
And it goes from like trillions, trillions, right.
It goes from brutal oppression to sort of like normalized to, you know, now now it's
baked in enough that they get the vaccine was fucked up.
He admitted the COVID story was fucked up.
Right.
And then the geoengineering with the geo weather engineering, you got the prime document.
on Prime documentary now.
So it seems like the most interesting things
that were worth debating,
we've kind of crossed the chasm a bit.
And then all the new stuff,
there's just too much noise.
And nothing is, it's just so much
that nothing sticks anymore.
It's like, we go from like, right now,
there's nothing to be discussed
until another thing like Charlie Kirk.
It's almost like the news has to have
that much adrenaline and that much virality
to be a perfect discussion.
Well, did you watch,
just speaking of Charlie Kirk for a second,
did you watch the Mike McCoy video?
No, I didn't.
Okay, so you got to search Mike McCoy.
So Charlie Kirk had a right-hand man,
and there's videos of him that day with Mike McCoy,
and they're yucking it up,
and they're going to this thing,
and they got their iPhones running,
stuff like that.
Mike McCoy is standing probably 15 feet
by our perspective to the right of Charlie.
There's a curtain.
he's far enough back that you can't, you don't really know for sure if he can see Charlie,
but he's way back. And Candace showed this. Charlie gets shot. Mike McCoy takes his phone
and puts it to his ear in what was measured to be 834 microseconds, meaning he didn't dial anything
too fast. He went right to here. A little bit of a flinch. And he immediately, immediately turns
and walks behind the screen out of sight. Immediately. To the point that he's gone
when Charlie hits the floor. Now, this is his chief of staff. He didn't know what happened
based on what he could see. There's no chance he knew what. So search Mike McCoy video. You'll see
He could not have known what just happened.
And then because of all the different people with all the different videos,
you can watch Mike McCoy walking.
And he's walking in the most calm walk.
He's not running.
He's not acting panicky.
He walks and walks and walks.
He ends up about 100 yards past the van that they put Charlie into.
His father, Rob McCoy, is a minister.
You get the worst vibes from Rob McCoy.
You get real bad vibes from Rob McCoy.
And Rob McCoy starts defending Mikey McCoy real fast, saying, oh, I was picking on Mikey.
You know, he's a hero.
He was a real leader that day, a real trooper.
He had blood all over him.
We go, no, he didn't.
No chance.
They said right away he called Erica Kirk.
No, he didn't.
So what's going on there?
Well, I think Mike McCoy is the son of the serious player, Rob.
Mikey is in some position at TPUSA
in which he's just like a 22-year-old kid.
So he's not an important player in what was $150 million a year business
or something, right?
Mikey's going to have to disappear, I think,
because I think that video is just not going to go away.
Nothing about the Kirk assassination makes sense.
I think he's dead.
I disagree with the he's not dead theory.
but everything else falls apart completely.
The text messaging, you read all about that, right?
The text messages, they weren't dated.
They weren't that of a 22-year-old or whatever-year-old guy,
you know, the shooter.
He referred to the cop car as a squad car.
Was he watching Adam-12 reruns or something?
No one calls it a squad car, right?
There's no LOLs, there's no emojis,
there's no anything and he's talking to his love muffin who by the way is now missing
the love muffins missing the transgender love muffin right there's guys who rush to charlie's help
and you do a stop on them and they have a smirk on their face it's called duper smirk
when you dupe someone you can't help with smirk it's a tell yeah they just seem like a lot of that
Right. So there's a horrible story here that I don't know who's guilty of what, but it's
not what we were told. And they're gonna, and I think the father of the kid who supposedly
shot Charlie, who turned him in, I think the father, the kid went home, and said, what
the fuck happened? And the kid said, I didn't do anything. And the father realized that the
safest place for him is inside the police station. That if he's out on the
street, someone will say, oh yeah, he pulled a gun on us, we shot him and he's
dead now. The father was smart enough. The father was a cop, I think. Something like
that. The father knew he had to get him into custody ASAP because he died.
I'll throw another, I don't think Stevie Wonder, I mean they say he's legally
blind. I mean I think there's something, I don't think, and then Stephen Hawking I
I don't even think he's real.
I want to ask you if you're a scientist.
I have no idea.
He looked pretty gnarly.
He brought up the Satanist stuff and the occultist stuff.
Well, he would just speak gibberish, and then his translator would be like,
oh, he means this.
And he'd be like, no, Jesus.
Oh, you mean the fact that he was able to talk to the world while fucked up?
Well, yeah.
I mean, if you can't express yourself, generally speaking, it's like, I don't know.
It's just a little, you revisit it, and it just seems a little odd.
But you mentioned this of the Satanist stuff.
Do you think there's a possibility there's like shapeshifters or people who sort of?
I don't believe they're shapeshifters.
Right, right.
I believe there's people who think they're shapeshifters.
So there's a lot of people who claim to see shapeshifters.
I was on the phone with a famous podcaster who shall remain nameless.
He was one of the earliest financial podcasters.
Very early, probably back in 07 or something.
And we talked on the phone.
and as so often happens
with a long conversation,
the filters drop
and next thing you know,
he's talking about
sitting across the table
from some guy
with bright red almond eyes
and he's the epitome of evil
and he starts talking about
nine foot giants roaming the planet
and I'm playing along
but I'm thinking
this guy's out in his fucking mind.
Now,
that would be perfect,
perfectly consistent
with a person
who has been brainwashed,
who's been through the routine.
and there's a lot of guys who say
I know you're not going to believe me but I've seen
satanic people with bright red eyes
and I think
I do not believe there are people
with bright red eyes, I do not believe there are
9 foot shapeshifters
I believe there are people who have been
completely using
horrific methods convinced that there are
I don't believe there's aliens from
outer space, I don't believe we have alien
technology, I have friends
who are smart who think there is
But my understanding of the vast expanse of space is they're not going to get here, period.
And if they're technologically capable of getting here, they couldn't give a shit about bipedal monkeys who are retards.
Right?
They couldn't give a...
We're irrelevant.
We are the monkeys at the obelisk in the movie 2001 Space Oddity.
One theory I've heard is when we blew up nuclear bombs and split an atom, they were like, what the fuck are you guys doing?
That's 2001 A Space Oddity.
Right.
That's exactly the plot of that.
I think Hollywood's in charge of fictionalizing reality.
So there's something real.
And you go, okay, let's neutralize it by making a movie that then people anchor on as fiction.
So, Born Identity, pure MKUltra, head-to-toe MKUltra.
Born Identity is MKUltra.
And then you got Eyes Wide Shut, right?
Satanic cults.
It was filmed in a castle in Europe where the Rothschilds were supposedly doing this shit.
What are the odds of that, right?
The lead guy was Tom...
People think Kubrick did the, you know, he filmed the space land, you know, the moon land.
Well, Kubrick, after Eyes Wide Shut, died.
Right, well, during the post-production, and then Spielberg finishes it, and there's like a lot missing, probably.
33 minutes, they say.
They say, well, yeah, notice the 33.
I did notice the 33.
Patel said it took to find the killer of Charlie Kirk.
What did he say?
Say that again?
What did Patel say?
In the first press conference with Cash, he goes, you know, we found the killer in less than 36 hours.
So, you know, a day and a half.
That's my words.
He goes, we found the killer in less than 36 hours.
33 to be precise.
Oh, that's so goddamn funny.
And then he used the word Valhalla.
Then he used the word Valhalla.
which is strange and is well so people say well that's just that's a warrior and i go but it also
is a way of not referring to heaven right but it's also witness protection maybe well but it's a way
of not referring to heaven yeah i agree and if you could argue maybe that's because his religion he
doesn't want to refer to heaven of utah just happens to look a lot like charlie kirk in a
like just go back to that video with cash talking about the watch it it's phenomenal it's like a lot
people think it is charlie kirk you know the governor happens to look a lot like a ball charlie
kirk i think there's a ton of shit designed to make us look like complete idiots so i think we
have to be careful i think we have to be careful i totally agree um it's kind of fun to play around
with um it is oh yeah you know but there is to that extent you are seeing things though it's like
that you could then say and will make you sound and appear stupid but you you do we do see the
these anomalies and they look like glitches in AI.
How many world leaders look like they're married to dudes?
Like, so there were videos going around
of the Charlie Kirk thing that made like,
look like AI glitches in the video.
And I'm convinced that they, whoever pushed out the AI,
that they have better AI than they distribute
to the level we see and they don't have-
Oh, that's something I've been obsessing over.
We think we're seeing top of the AI.
No, we're 10 years behind.
I'm going, holy shit.
So I read about directed energy weapons
wrote about it last year or the year before, I can't remember which.
And I was reading RAND reports from 40 years ago, and the technology was spectacular.
The shit I was reading, and there's videos of Lyndon Johnson saying, you know, if we
control space, we control the world and shit like that.
And they had this cool tech to zap people from space.
It was real Star Wars stuff.
And you got to ask, what do we have 40 years later behind the paywall?
And the answer is it must be spectacular.
Do you think whoever controls the Internet controls the world?
Yes.
And in fact, I used to say for many years I've said the Internet is democracy's greatest hope and worst enemy.
I don't see the hope part anymore.
I don't either.
No, no, I've given up on the hope.
I think whoever controls the Internet will be an authoritarian And do you think the internet is already controlled oh totally right so it so someone like but it controlled it kind of
it could be a crowdsource control meaning there's all these different groups who are controlling
the narrative so in some sense it's like a self-assembled oligarchy which is what an NSA
guy told me so one day I thought of this guy by zoom I didn't know who he was he started talking
Hegelian philosophy and I thought he got off the rails and someone in the Zoom
group said, Steven, are you a professor of philosophy? Because we didn't all know
each other. He said, no, I trained as a lawyer but I was an NSA analyst for X
years. And I go, oh this plot just thickens spectacularly, right? So then at one
point we're chatting about something, it was during the COVID, the whole group is
Doctors for COVID Ethics was the Zoom group.
And someone, at one point I said to Stephen,
I said, we keep saying they, Stephen.
Who's the they?
And Stephen says, this is profound, actually.
He says, I don't like to name names
because then you'll stop thinking.
So if I say Bill Gates, then you'll say,
okay, now have the answer to what's for dinner
and you'll stop thinking.
I expanded that bit of advice and said,
never draw any conclusion.
that gets you to stop thinking.
Don't shut down the thinking.
Which means when someone says, oh, it's a uniparty,
you've just shut down your thinking.
You've thrown up your hands.
Oh, it's a conspiracy theory.
Oh, my God, have you stopped thinking.
I'm proud as hell that I'm a conspiracy theorist.
Men and women of wealth and power conspire.
To say the contrary is just stupidity.
They do it every day.
We're all conspiring.
Humans, what someone said, we learned language to lie to each other.
Right?
I just finished a book, Moral Animal, this year, and they talk about how self-delusion,
when you lie, you have tells, and we learn to read each other.
So if you're lying to me, I might not even consciously pick it up,
but I'll pick up the subconscious cues that you're giving me.
Self-delusion allows you to lie without showing the tells.
Does that help you build it?
Then you could beat a lie detector?
That helps you.
Well, that's right.
That's how you beat a lie detector.
Right.
You just delude yourself.
You delude yourself.
Right.
You believe it.
Yeah.
You believe it.
Well, there isn't sort of like Hebrew or Jewish sort of like Proverbs where it's like,
if you like say, you know, let's say you smoke cigarettes and you're like, I'm going to smoke
cigarettes.
I'm never going to smoke cigarettes.
If you believe it in that moment, even if you pick up a cigarette out of weakness the next day, you weren't necessarily lying.
You were trying to state your current truth.
And so you would believe it, and that's your delusion if some people say you're just deluded.
I thought you did a great job on Tucker.
I thought you did a fantastic job of, like, sort of distilling all your work into two hours.
Oh, it's wild.
Well, I set out to hit topics.
I did a little strategizing and said, okay, there's topics.
I know Tucker knows a lot about.
I am not getting away from this goddamn interview without hitting him.
Well, I thought you did a great job of covering each topic enough and covering a lot of topics.
I thought you hit them all.
Someone wrote on Twitter, I have so many thoughts after listening to David Kahn interviews with Tucker.
The first of which is that I'm profoundly honored this man files my little account on this app.
Tomorrow, this person will write us.
He did a long post on your thoughts on Bitcoin.
But he wrote, the thing that sticks with me is the idea that most sticks with me is the idea of information being flooded in the truth, being harder, if not impossible to find, which I absolutely agree with and believe is accelerating.
He's curious if you're familiar with the Smith-Munt Act and how its modernization sort of allowed for influence campaigns.
I don't know if I am or not.
So Obama, my familiarity with it is Obama sort of allowed or repealed the Smith-Munn Act, which said you could not propagandize the American people.
The three-letter agencies could not do that to us.
You could do that to the American people.
Yeah, that's comical.
Yeah.
And I'm going to look this up.
And he repealed it, I believe, is what happened.
And so now they're allowed to propagandize us, our own agencies.
Let me ask you this.
Do you think Obama's a front man pawn, or do you think he's a big swinging dick?
I think he was a Manchurian candidate.
Kind of like you were saying, like, raised for this MKUltra style.
But, like, I think when you sort of what I think of power is that if you rise to power, you go from, like, sort of being pawn to a player.
And if you become a big enough player and you calculate your gambles enough, you become a don.
Well, the question is, would a Manchurian candidate get to that stage?
So it's strange. You would say no, right? And I still think anyone we see in public is not the player.
I think they are puppets to some extent.
Players don't have Wikipedia pages.
Players don't have Wikipedia pages. You know, it's like John Gotti, I don't think was the head of, or Don Gotti, whatever his name was, the head of the mob.
I think he's the front person for the real power, so that the real power stays behind and doesn't go to jail.
So, or just doesn't, the real wealth, the hundred trillion or a hundred thousand quadrillion in offshore wealth is not known.
Even the Panama Papers do not name the real.
Pandora Paper, Panama Paper.
Pandora, whatever you want to call it.
Well, they're two different set of papers.
But I'm saying both then, both.
I don't think that they reveal everything.
I think it's another layer of the onion, maybe.
So Peter Dale Scott refers to this as a negative imprint.
And he talks about how once in a great while you get this little flash, this little, the window opens ever so briefly.
Like when Epstein killed himself.
Do you remember the press?
They didn't know what to do.
I got to read you this.
So the Smith-Munnth Act, formerly known as the U.S. Information and Educational Exchange Act of 1948,
is a U.S. federal law that originally authorized the U.S. government to conduct international information and cultural exchange programs.
And it goes on.
But so you get the idea that they so in 19 in 2013 the Smith month Modernization Act passed and that's part of the National Defense Authorization Act for fiscal year 2013 signed by Obama. Key changes lifted the ban on domestic access to U.S. government produced international media. So I.E. Voice of America content allowed U.S. citizens and media outlets to access and rebroadcast materials originally created for foreign audiences.
This, according to Grok, did not authorize the creation of propaganda targeting Americans.
So there's then some common misconceptions.
So the question is, did Obama sign off on the idea that you could lie their asses off to us?
Yeah, I think so.
And I think Obama did more to divide America with Trayvon Martin.
I didn't see it at the time.
I wasn't picking it up.
I was a supporter at the time, at least in the beginning.
I was very upset with the way he handled the remnants of the great financial crisis.
Very similar to, I'm not a Trump supporter, but very similar to I think how Trump supporters feel like he's reneged on a lot of campaign promises this far in.
I think Obama was the exact opposite of what he ran on.
He also bombed seven Muslim countries.
When you elect a liberal democrat
You're supposed to be getting a guy
Who's not going to bomb the shit out of everybody
Right, but liberal democrats
20, 30, 40, 50 years ago
Didn't, you know, sort of like
Keep government out of
Anti-war
Anti-government in your life
You know, it was very cool and progressive
In a lot of ways
Or, you know, the cool part of progressive
Certain libertarian flavor to it, right
Yeah, someone on Twitter wrote
Serial killers disappeared
at around the same time mass shooters showed up.
Few will understand the significance of this statement.
That's kind of interesting.
Wormhole there.
Well, I'm not, I am of the mind.
So if you read The Ultimate Evil,
which is, it's called Search for the Sons of Sam,
which you discover is that son of Sam, David Berkowitz,
who was killing women when I was in my first year of grad school.
So I was there, I was in Manhattan thinking,
wow, this is a wacky place.
It turns out there were multiple shooters, multiple killers, multiple eyewitnesses said that.
Once they got Berkowitz, who said that his dog, his lion, is talking to him and he's satanic, and they said, okay, we got the guy.
And then the killing stopped.
Berkowitz then reaches out to a guy named Mori Terry.
This is not in, I guess, no, this was the Mori Terry book.
Reaches out to Mori Terry, a journalist, and says, I want to talk to you.
And all of a sudden he's not as crazy as he sounded.
And he starts talking, again throwing hints, just throwing these little hints to Terry
about a network of satanic killers.
And Terry starts tracking them down and it turns out that Berkowitz knew about killings
that he should not have been able to know anything about, like in San Francisco and
in Minnesota and places like that.
And as Terry chases down leads, people are dying.
So they're dying as fast as he can get near them.
And it became pretty clear.
And so they actually reopened the Son of Sam case officially.
And then they said nothing here and they closed it back up again.
Right.
Now, every time there has been a network of satanic culture, a network of child trafficking or whatever, the feds shut it down.
Every last one of them, the Fed shut it down.
Right.
Yeah.
Now, the question I like to ask is, how many people, how many kids got smuggled over the border?
Trafficked.
A word used by CNN, Fox, you name it.
Trafficked children over the southern border.
Right, 350,000.
Where'd they go?
No one can tell me where they went.
There were NGOs that were warehousing these kids.
Where'd they go? Now you will occasionally see a couple hundred kids get
saved. I go a couple hundred out of 350,000 doesn't float my boat. Right?
That's not enough. You will occasionally see pictures of traffickers who look
like South American scumbags. We don't know anything about them. We don't get
their names. We just get this news report that says they caught a bunch of
traffickers. You never get the consumer. Now there's a guy named Ted Gunderson who
was shortlisted to run the FBI years ago.
Now, maybe that means he's a bad guy.
But he turned on the system and started outing all this stuff.
And in 1991-ish, 92-ish, somewhere in there,
he said that a blonde-haired, blue-eyed kid
brings $50,000 on the open market.
This is not a kid who's being bought by some person in a trailer park.
Sorry to those of you who live in trailer parks, but it turns out a lot of convicted sex offenders end up in trailer parks because that's the only place they can live.
These are people of wealth and power buying these kids.
I've written a lot about it.
I'm just not going to publish it.
But there are different categories.
There's slave trade.
There's sex trade.
There's organ trade.
There's the MKUltra guys.
There's a whole bunch of different things.
There's this thing called 50 Voices, a website.
There's a thing called the Survivor.
Nick Bryant has it.
I've got it, but I can't remember what it's called,
where they did a survey.
It's a very detailed survey asking,
what have you experienced as a survivor?
And it's like a hundred different things,
and then it gives the percentages of the survivors
that experience each of these different things,
like satanic ceremonies and drugs and sex trafficking and you name it,
you know, assassinations, things like that.
Like a hundred different categories of things.
And it's this Bible of what the hell has happened to survivors.
And so everyone admits that there's hundreds of thousands of kids.
The official stats globally are like anywhere from 1 to 10 million.
Yet no one ever, ever identifies the people in positions of power who are getting these kits, ever.
I mean, it goes even further, the medicalization and just monetization of everything.
So if you get like a C-section, which costs the people getting the C-section, the family, a lot of money, they sell everything on the other side.
all the you know well there's horrible videos abortion clinics selling those body parts right
and so we're even umbilical cords from just even oh yeah that's full deliveries so it's
that's profitable for the hospital on a net basis to and and it's still charging the customer
like a tremendous amount of money and it's all being understand all of it behind the scenes and
And it gets so much darker with what you're talking about.
So Oliver Sacks wrote a bunch of books.
Oliver is this famous psychologist or psychiatrist who got the weirdest cases.
I mean, truly weird cases.
He had seen several instances where some guy all of a sudden woke up one morning and
He's convinced his leg is not his leg anymore.
He just, and he tries to throw it out of bed, and it's not his, and he freaks out.
And no amount of convincing.
You say, well, okay, where's your leg then if it's not yours?
Where'd this come from?
How did it get attached to your body?
They can't, so their brain somehow short-circuited overnight.
They had some sort of event.
What the medical community never did was cut off the guy's goddamn leg.
But we've now got kids self-diagnosing gender dysphoria,
and we've got doctors cutting off their breasts and cutting off their dicks.
I believe those doctors should all lose their licenses.
I agree.
You know, when transgenderism first showed up in Northern Europe as a medical procedure,
the care with which they sent the person through psychological testing and training
and living the existence before they did anything irreversible was incredible.
And if you could pass through all those tests, then they'd say, okay,
you are a valid candidate for a transgender surgery. Okay.
But now you can actually start getting hormone injections, which are irreversible.
Read Abigail Schreier's book. I can't remember the title, but she's only got one, I think. Abigail Schreier.
Most of these kids are just confused
They're probably gay or lesbian or whatever
And they're at this period in their life where they're confused
And social pressures are ridiculous
And so they want to feel special
And what happens is when you say you're transgender
You get big hugs
Big hugs
Oh, you're special
Then what do they do?
They do the transition and they move on to the next victim
And it's inexcusable to me
I don't care how much they want to get their dicks cut off,
and I don't care how much they want to get their breasts taken off.
There might be an age where I say above that age you're on your own,
but it ain't 14, and those surgeons should never practice medicine again.
Yeah, I mean, it's going to be interesting how that kind of gets dealt with.
I don't know if there's going to be a lot of criminal blowback,
just the same way with maybe the pandemic and stuff.
there wasn't and i also think transgenderism is going away i think transgenderism is going away
but i don't know if anyone's going to jail no they won't no they won't yeah and it wouldn't be fair
to put them in jail given that they were within what were perceived to be the rules when they were
doing it i don't think they should ever practice medicine again but but but it's it's like um i got
shit from Tucker for Cornell, for universities being woke as shit.
And I said, you got to remember that a year ago, if we weren't woke, we got crucified.
So you had to have your rainbow banners and all your things because you got crucified.
So you can't replay that tape and say, oh, now we know that that was over the top and
therefore you guys are assholes.
No, universities were just kind of responding,
trying to stay out of harm's way.
And it doesn't help that we're 98.5% left wing,
you know, there's that.
But here's a question I like to ask people,
and I've asked a number of high ranking administrators.
So universities are now hated pretty seriously
because of the student debt problem and stuff like that,
the wokeness, and there's just a lot of-
And the price.
We needed fastballs past our chin.
But I can't tell you I have ever seen
a university administrator standing up and explaining what an endowment is, what an overhead
rate is on research.
I did on Tucker.
I made sure I got there, but the president of Harvard was on mainstream media for 10
minutes and he defended DEI.
They're looking at $9 billion being yanked from them because of DEI.
And instead of explaining why $9 billion flows to Harvard, and I can make the case, it's
not insane.
It's not insane.
He's talking about supporting DEI, which is why he was losing the $9 billion.
That guy is a moron.
And they just got rid of a president who is a complete moron, who shouldn't have had a
PhD, shouldn't have had a job at Harvard, shouldn't have been president of Harvard.
fraud, Claudine Gay, and somehow she got to be president of Harvard.
That is a kind of a rot that had to be cleaned out.
You really had to get in there and scrape that out like a pumpkin.
Yeah.
Have you ever heard of the 9-11 memorial teardrop?
No.
That we got gifted by Russia gave us this memorial?
It sits directly across from New York City in Bayonne, New Jersey, just the other side
of the Statue of Liberty.
We hear nothing about it.
This, some would say beautiful, 100-foot-tall monument was gifted to the people of the United States by the people of Russia in 2006.
In memory of all those who lost their lives on that fateful day, September 11, 2001, the breaking and the cracked facade forms the shape of the two towers.
The giant suspended teardrop signifies the tears of the entire world that day.
I'll show you a picture of it.
Okay.
It looks like a testicle to me.
Or maybe a vagina.
Yeah, there's that.
There's that.
One could argue we're a couple of pervs seeing that.
My wife would not see that.
I was going down the rabbit hole on this one.
Some would say it was an underhanded insult.
We weren't really friendly with Russia at the time, I don't believe.
That was during the second portion.
When I was six, I think we were okay.
It wasn't until 2012 that we really started to get into it with Putin.
We got a lot worse.
And it was our fault.
It was our fault.
The only time I think I really diverged from some of your thinking, maybe not the only
time, but you know, I wanted to bring up was when you got into Bitcoin with Tucker.
I just, I want to just note on one thing.
Yeah, I knew that would piss off the Bitcoiners.
That didn't piss me off. I didn't piss me off. Didn't piss me off. I love hearing other viewpoints.
I think, you know, I think Bitcoin's anti-fragile. If we couldn't take other people's viewpoints
and listen to their opinions and strongman them ourselves and come to our own conclusions that
might not agree, then, you know, we're pretty fragile and weak. So it's all good. But, you know,
I don't I think it's possible that I think it's highly likely Bitcoin is a deep state operation
to save the dollar.
I think that's,
so I don't think that takes away
from some of the positive qualities of Bitcoin
that some of us get as holders or hodlers.
But I don't-
Well, I think it's possible
the guys who have it now
at some point will be told,
it's been fun.
You've gotten rich.
Have a nice day.
Yeah, I think they want the coins in custody.
I don't think they want you to have self-custody
or they might outlaw that.
So the problem I have with a number of the hodlers
is that they changed their story quite fluidly.
So they go from a libertarian stance.
They can't touch us to Larry Fink's now my best buddy.
And I go, anything that Larry Fink's involved with,
you should not trust.
I agree with this year has been such a paradox of Bitcoin.
It's been like, of the state rolling out the red carpet
for Bitcoin, and I really think crypto.
But I think that they need crypto, stable coins,
They want them.
I think those are the rails of surveillance.
Oh, I don't doubt that at all.
And so I think Bitcoin has to appreciate in value to sustain the narrative that crypto is here to stay.
So I think if Bitcoin goes to zero, you don't really have.
You've demoralized the people who you want to believe.
Yeah.
So I think, OK, fine.
It's a bridge to crypto.
and then hopefully they neuter or turn Bitcoin into digital pet rock or digital gold, right?
Because gold hasn't really taken down the central bankers or fractional reserve banking.
We're no longer tethered to gold.
They don't have to tether to Bitcoin.
Speaking of tether, tether's doing shit that I think is very problematic.
I don't think tether's necessarily a white hat.
I don't at all.
I think they're controlling-
Tether's buying shit that I don't think they should be buying if you want to call it a stablecoin.
I'm not arguing with you.
I'm not here to defend Tether.
Yeah, I find it very interesting and odd that a lot of Bitcoiners are very Tether proponents.
I think early on, I think, you know, you needed stablecoins to access Bitcoin.
You don't or since they need, there were people who used stablecoins a lot more.
I don't think you need it now, but I do think the traditional Wall Street bankers are pushing everyone towards stablecoins.
Right.
And I think that will be what's in your checking account in the future.
I agree.
That's a central bank digital currency.
Yeah.
I think that's authoritarianism in the making right there.
Sure.
I agree.
Okay.
But that doesn't mean that I think Bitcoin is authoritarianism in the making.
No, I just –
I think it's like a freedom tool the way like a satellite or.
I think the freedom part is delusional.
Yeah.
I think there are, freedom tool doesn't mean absolute freedom.
You know, it incrementally improves your freedom.
No, no, no.
It's whatever freedom they want to give you, I think.
Well, they can still bring guns to you and put you in a box.
I get that.
Right.
Or they can say you can't.
What did I just say?
I heard the EU was capping a Bitcoin transaction you can do.
I just tried that the other day.
Yeah, I'm not sure.
Okay, but the point being is, I think the brilliant play,
here's a narrative that I have no idea if it's true or not,
but the NSA comes out and writes a paper on crypto,
and then you promote crypto,
and you crowdsource debugging the damn thing You crowdsource the exit ramps the on the enthusiasm the how do you trade it what are the defects in the thinking how do you do this
And for 20 years, the smartest guys in the goddamn world troubleshoot how to do this.
And then they say, thank you very much, we'll take it from here.
How do you not worry about that?
Well, take it from here in terms of, I mean, how do you decide?
Well, the transition from you being in control of your Bitcoin to them saying,
we'll take it from here. That transition is unknowable.
Yeah, I think they're going to tell you that it's nuclear-grade technology.
You shouldn't hold it as an individual. It's too valuable. It's too dangerous. It's a nation-state level.
Right. So the question will be, do the guys who have Bitcoin, when that transition occurs,
that's right, if you get to keep it and it maintains value, that would...
I don't know how much you're able to interact in a circular economy,
but you if you are able to keep it whether that's kyc bitcoin or non-ky or kyc free bitcoin
um and you might have to go off grid or whatever well there's are there several different kinds of
bitcoin well no there's not several different kinds of bitcoin but if you buy bitcoin on an
exchange they know you have it if you buy well okay cash they don't know you have it how do you
buy bitcoin with cash i don't even know how you do that meet someone in a cafe you oh okay but
They're trying to get rid of cash.
So that game's going to end.
There's other ways to buy it.
There's other ways to buy it without going through KYC procedures.
Right.
But once we're fully digital.
Right.
I get what you're saying.
I'm just, I'm saying you still, even if they can't debase it, they can't inflate it.
So you still get certain properties, right, that wouldn't go away if...
Isn't there some rule about how the Bitcoin community decides whether you could expand the number of Bitcoins?
isn't it? Tell me about that. Well, the way I would think about that is sort of the network
effective protocol. It's like you could change the rules of chess. That doesn't mean anyone's
going to play with you or acknowledge you as the winner of or be the best player in the world
because you beat everyone with your rules. Okay. The question is, why would...
Over here, no one's going to actually interact with you. No one's going to value it. There's
going to be no network security, no miners. Well, what's going to keep the authorities
when it really is.
I think there are going to be challenges.
I think that there will be institutions like BlackRock and Coinbase that say,
look, we have so much Bitcoin, we want to try to change the consensus rules.
We are now, the new Bitcoin is institutional Bitcoin.
And it will be confusing.
And there will be debates around what is the real Bitcoin,
who has the real Bitcoin, but like the longest chain.
So you don't think that these guys are smart enough to figure out how to debase it?
Well, I think you could look at affinity scams as a form of debasement, right?
Or anyone who's FTX who's not selling Bitcoin, but their customers think they're buying Bitcoin.
That's debasing in the sense that people thought they were allocating funds to Bitcoin,
and it didn't go into Bitcoin, and they don't have Bitcoin.
You can sell futures on Bitcoin, and you can use that.
Like, gold's been manipulated heavily.
So you're describing fractional reserve Bitcoin.
Fractional reserve Bitcoin.
But again, that doesn't affect your Bitcoin in self-custody.
And that might affect the exchange rate between if you were to sell your Bitcoin.
So this gets into – because I'm not a never sell your Bitcoin person in the sense that you should use Bitcoin as money.
So if you have a wedding coming up or a life event or any time you would use your savings or any money that you would normally have in your checking account, that's money.
Well, here's a problem.
I don't think they've enforced this, but my understanding is every time you use Bitcoin for anything, it is a taxable event.
And I don't think America is going to ever take that away because they're not going to treat it like money, right?
That's part of it.
They're not going to treat it like money.
They're not going to.
So it's an asset, not money.
It's an asset, not money.
In the legal and the tax sense.
Gold, by the way, is an asset, not money, too.
The guys who say gold is money are delusional.
It doesn't mean you can't go exchange gold or Bitcoin with another person,
peer-to-peer, and use it as money.
It doesn't mean that it's money.
Well, in theory, though, if you buy their car from them,
if you buy their car from them, in theory, that's a taxable event.
Right, but you'd have to do this sort of without letting them know.
Okay, so now you're sitting there.
Now you have to break the law to use Bitcoin.
Sure.
Okay.
I agree.
these are all limiting factors around it becoming used more frequently as money
right and and i do think that if they maintain the unit of account right just like with the petrodollar
just like before that with tying it to gold if you price everything in bit price everything in
dollars including bitcoin then the dollar lives on right absolutely you sell the debt and everything
is is is denominated in dollars still right so you need people to hold bitcoin in self-custody
and even think in bitcoin denominated terms because it's a better tool of the denominator
but that doesn't you can't for that's an emergent property though this is why gold bugs who talk
about denominating things in gold are delusional right but i mean you could do it for yourself
because you could say that's my unit of account when i trade with others right it doesn't mean
But the fact is, your groceries are going to be denominated in dollars.
Well, you could do the math.
It just makes the math very complicated to do.
You could see even people who live in Bitcoin, when they go to gamble online, they'll gamble in $20 denominated, even if they put Bitcoin on the website.
Right, but again, that's why I said if you're going to buy a house a year from now.
But I'm doing Bitcoin.
Well, but if you're thinking about it.
Let me point out.
A $20,000 house costs 400 Bitcoin.
Okay, let me point out the obvious thing, though.
Now let me point out the obvious.
You want to buy a house a year from now.
You put it in Bitcoin.
You don't know that you'll be able to buy that house a year from now.
Well, you have volatility, yes.
You have potential for high volatility.
Therefore.
But it's usually not positive over long periods of time.
It has been historically.
Yeah.
But I was more getting into not so much the bad or the speculation,
But sort of, you know, if the state is involved in any way, I don't think that negates the
sort of you can't debase it.
You can't inflate it away.
You have to work for it.
You have to either hash for it or buy it.
So you have to either work for it or inherit it.
Someone else has worked for it.
And you can still hopefully trade outside of the traditional economy, peer to peer.
So if some guy wants to sell you a house and says it's going to cost you four Bitcoin,
a year from now, then you denominated it in Bitcoin.
If someone says it's going to be $400,000,
if you park your wealth in Bitcoin,
you may buy that house a year from now with room to spare,
or you may not be able to buy it.
Oh, I hear what you're saying.
And therefore, if you're married and your wife says,
I want that fucking house, right?
I want that fucking house.
You fuck this up.
I'm divorcing your ass.
You're going to put it in the CV.
Bitcoin is, we all live this life.
Look, I mean, you'd live that life.
Everyone is trying to manage their wealth outside.
If they're lucky to build wealth outside of their vacation, enough to store.
It's like, what the hell am I going to do with this thing?
Because I can't keep it in dollars.
So we all have to figure out some sort of way to shepherd that value forward,
whether it's gold, metals, equities, real estate, bonds, CDs even.
The other thing, I think, a way to think about this is they talk about new ideas and science.
They take hold through the deaths of the guys who held the old ideas,
through the attrition of the old guard.
So it's quite possible that the boomers collectively, collectively,
are not going to ever sign off on Bitcoin.
and that as they die off, Bitcoin gets stronger.
Yeah.
I mean, there are boomers who like Bitcoin.
The last note I'll mention about Bitcoin
before I move on to the final question.
So Bitcoin has a certain property around time lock.
This is sort of a newer development.
So you could time lock the coins or sats.
It doesn't have to be whole coins.
So they cannot be moved for a period of time.
Right.
That's a unique form of defense.
unlike, say, what happens to Canadian truckers
and GoFundMe who had their funds taken
and it's very hard to access medical,
food without money.
What would Edward Bernays think about today?
Edward Bernays would have been the guy
who created the whole Bitcoin movement.
He would have been the brains behind it.
Edward Bernays went, Edward Bernays sold pianos by convincing people they needed music rooms in their house.
And once they built a music room, they needed a piano.
Edward Bernays sold cigarettes to women by convincing them that that showed they were fiercely independent.
And smoking was cool for women.
So Edward Bernays in his original book said, this is amazing actually, he said, politicians have not figured out the power of propaganda.
I'm going, whoa, they learn fast, Edward.
They didn't take them long.
Edward Bernays ended up working for the CIA.
And his nephew was the CEO of Netflix, the founder.
Oh, is that right?
I didn't know that.
And I think Edward Bernays might have been the nephew of Sigmund Freud or something.
there's some connection there yeah right yeah we are we are just a fountain of random trivia here
aren't we well i saved it all up for you dave you're the only one i'll get into this stuff with
generally yeah yeah you know well you want to chat have you chatted with aaron day we talked about
this i've been in dm'd with him i'm trying to get him he's agreed to come on the show
okay okay you guys would be a great compliment because he under i an ignoramus right Aaron and Aaron a fan of digital i mean he not going to fight you on that like i do i just going to go to my grave
probably not being a huh i've been tempted to buy some bitcoin so i can go out on twitter and say
now would you all shut the up they'll send it just i i know they will and then i'll say i have
bitcoin now shut the up but here's the deal that's i think that's one of the worst sales pitches for
bitcoin though it's like you're telling i think this is the most valuable thing in the world here
I'll send you some for free.
Yeah, Marty's promised to help me set up an account of stuff.
I get so frustrated when my passwords fuck up,
which we were talking about,
that the idea of having my net worth behind a password
is spooky as shit.
I hear you.
There's steps you could take.
I'm a Luddite.
I know, but I'm a Luddite.
I'm a Luddite.
I get pissed off when shit like that fails.
And the idea of that, I'm going, no, no, no.
I want to be able to walk into a bank and say, help me.
My account, I can't get through online.
Help me.
You know.
And that's why I'm worried about AI.
That's why I'm worried about AI.
My 84-year-old mother is like, hey, can I take self-custard?
I'm like, I don't know if that's such a great idea.
Yeah, you're 84.
I, by the way, as you get older, you should write out a document telling everyone where everything is.
I've written out a document that has account numbers and things like that.
Yeah, that's crucial.
And the other thing is, setting an estate is complicated.
You should consolidate the number of bank accounts and stuff down as you get older.
Because if you have $5 million with Fidelity, they will help your estate figure that out.
If you have $10,000 with some bank, they couldn't give a shit about you.
You're not worth it.
So all the medallion signatures, all the crap you have to do.
So as you get older, I'm selling a plot of land so my kids don't have to worry about it.
As you get older, consolidate it.
Now, I spread all over kingdom come in 06 because I saw 07, 08, 09 coming.
And so I threw accounts across all sorts of different institutions to stay under the 250K limit
and different kinds, credit unions, Fidelity,
Charles Schwab, Vanguard, you name it.
And it's created a mess.
That's why I love Bitcoin.
Which I've been slowly but surely working towards
consolidating back.
I should just all put it in Bitcoin and move on.
Yeah, one day.
One day.
Your ego will.
One day I'll do a podcast with someone
and on the podcast, we will set up my account
and it will go viral.
There's a timeline where you're a hardcore Bitcoiner.
As we go out, I'll roll out this.
So Abaddon, which is a Hebrew noun, means place of destruction.
That is literally spelled a bad Don, like Donald Trump, a bad Don.
Abaddon, place of destruction, literal meaning the perishing place or ruin.
Human Abaddon?
Yeah.
Isn't that coincidental?
Yeah, I think so.
And we're not.
And then Elon Musk, you know, they rolled out the XChat today.
So we were talking, I think, that before we started.
Yeah, I didn't like that at all.
That's, well, you know, it's coming.
So he just rolled out an entire new communication stack.
Now, do I have to do that once or every time I want to go to my messages?
Maybe every time you go on a different device.
Okay.
I don't know.
But this is now encrypted messages, audio, video.
Now it asked me to put it in again.
All right, this is what Elon said, though.
Money comes out soon.
Join us if you want to build cool products.
X will be the everything app.
It's coming.
Yeah, he wants to take PayPal and shit and everything rolling all together.
Yeah.
Elon is, the world needs occasional Elons because they really do change the world.
But he is not.
I don't think he's a front.
I don't think he runs any of these companies.
I don't think he's a genius.
I don't think he hangs out with any of these women.
No, I've never heard him say anything that indicates a high IQ.
There are certain people when they're talking, you're like, whoa, whoa, this person's smart.
This guy or girl, wow, this is all signal.
And I really think, I have a feeling, anytime I've seen him with snarky little answers and press clips,
little snippets, I think he's served those up.
Okay.
Well, I sure don't find Sam Altman impressive.
I have a hard enough time running a podcast that barely breaks even,
much less run six multinational corporations.
that all happen to be state funded and highly intertwined with the defense industry.
Yeah, I know. I know. It's awfully hard to argue that Elon's not a PSYOP.
That would be a tough case to make.
I think he's Teal's front man.
Oh, that's interesting. I hadn't thought of that.
Yeah, totally.
All right, Dave, this has been epic as usual.
Another two hours, two and a half hours in the books.
It's funny. I really do not want to write about this shit.
I've really decided I don't, but I seem to be more than happy to talk about it.
Writing about it in some sense is safer because you can think about what you're saying as opposed to blurting out bizarre shit.
But at the same time, writing it has a real sort of commitment, right?
For example, writing a blog is different than writing a book.
A book, there's just a much higher bar on things like fact-checking.
You read a blog, if you take that at face value, you're nuts.
But you consider yours a book.
I mean, the writing is fantastic.
The alliteration, the jokes, the callback.
Well, this year's not going to be any good.
By your description, this year's going to suck because it's going to be short.
I don't think it's going to be funny.
It's going to be titled, you know, 404 error because it's going to all of a sudden go, where'd it go?
I think one of the other errors.
And it's because, I don't know, your audience might not know this, but I'll say this.
Tucker Carlson's interview triggered the Zionists.
I've been getting the shit beat out of me, and I've thought hard about whether I want to get into all these debates with all these people online.
I now have 150,000 followers.
I'm now drawing fire.
I've got Victor Davis Hanson creating false narratives to bring me down a little bit because I'm affiliated with Tucker, and I'm going, I got 15 years left.
I figure round number gets me to 85.
Do I want to spend it doing this bullshit?
and I think what I should probably do is fucking go play golf.
Do you like golf?
I did.
I haven't played much of it.
About three years ago, I played seriously.
And then the next summer, spring, when I came out,
I'd lost everything I had recovered.
When I was a kid, I was a good golfer.
And then I tried to get it back, and I worked really hard,
and then it didn't stick, and I lost my drive, as they say.
But I should play golf.
Good for me, it's good for my health.
The lake I live on, are you a fisherman?
My dad was an avid fisherman and my son loves it.
So you know about it.
I know about it.
You saw about it.
My house hangs off a hundred foot cliff
looking west over Keogah Lake.
I can throw a rotten apple and hit the water from my house
a hundred feet in the air.
It's utopia, right?
Cayuga Lake holds the all-time New York State largemouth and smallmouth bass record broken
within the last four years.
And I'm not fishing it.
Explain that to me.
How is that?
And I said that on Tucker.
The bottom line is, what I didn't know is that going on Tucker was going to pull me into
World War III.
And you couldn't even see it yet because he has gone into World War III like using me
is the launch pad. Now actually before that he had Charlie Kirk, he had Dave Smith. But
since then, now my name is being used in the same sentence with Fuente. So there's this
one part where a head of a national Jewish society, I'm not anti-Semitic, I'm not anti-Israel,
but we're getting close to where Netanyahu, he can jump in a fucking leg. I think he's
a bad guy. I think you should vote him out of there. And Israel, the government's a problem.
And the slaughter's a problem. Now, the head of this Jewish society called me a Holocaust denier.
He put me with Fuentes. I'm not with Fuentes. I don't deserve to be with Fuentes. And so I posted
his quote. I've written this. I've written that. I'm going to write this. I'm going to defend myself.
And I've written about Victor Davis Hanson telling bullshit stories about me. He's a great historian
and he's making shit up and it's driving me nuts.
So I'm going at him.
But I got to the end and I said,
look, dude, I could call you a lying pig fucker,
which by the way, pig was carefully chosen.
And I said, but I can't
because I can't defend that entire statement.
And then I said, so what we could do
is we could sit down and have lunch together
and talk it out or,
And then I have this meme that looks like a Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer meme that says, go fuck yourself.
And then I'm going to go to conclusions.
And the conclusions are going to be a summary.
I believe it's going to be a summary of the institutions that could fall in this fourth turning.
which includes the U.S. dollar, fiat currency, NATO, WEF, Canada, Ukraine, Israel, you name it.
It's tons of stuff.
There's tons of institutions that could go down before this mess is over.
And then I'm signing off.
So it's going to be very abbreviated.
The other thing I noticed is my notes did not have funny stories in them.
I was not picking up funny stories.
Now, is that me?
And if so, that's a problem.
If it's not me, if it's the fact that Zero Hedge is not giving me the information it used to give me,
Twitter not giving me the information you used to give me because the signals being drowned out by propaganda I can write what I used to write because there so much crap
Yeah, all slop.
And I'm so frustrated. It's all slop.
And so it's not funny.
It's frustrating.
And you're hearing it in the tone of my voice.
and I was going to go to war against the Zionists,
not the Jews, not the good people,
but the rabid bastards like Mark Levin.
Mark Levin and Ted Cruz went at me like crazy.
They still use me as a talking point,
but at least they stopped using my name.
Mark Levin can eat shit and die.
I would cheer.
This would be dancing Israeli time, right?
And Ted Cruz, what a sack of shit.
I've thought that for so many years.
That's not because I butt hurt.
By the way, I'm on record saying Mark Levin is a piece of shit
prior to him jamming it up my ass.
So it's not because he butt hurt me that I'm mad at him.
He is what I refer to as a rabid bobcat in heat.
So as far as I'm concerned, as I put it,
I said if the guy wasn't supporting Israel, he'd be selling flaffles on the corner.
I'm just pissed at him.
I'm pissed at these guys.
I'm pissed at Israel for killing people.
It is not anti-Semitic to be pissed at genocides.
I'm pissed at George Bush for killing millions of people in the Middle East.
I'm pissed at NATO for the Ukraine war, which is all NATO's fault.
Putin said, don't do it, don't do it, don't do it, and we fucking did it,
and now there's a million dead Ukrainians because we wanted a war.
Inexcusable, inexcusable.
How many dead Yemenis are there because we gave the Saudi Arabia the bombs to drop on Yemen?
When did Yemen attack us?
When did Iran attack us?
When did Syria attack us?
Never.
They're not stupid enough to attack us, but we just make shit up and we bomb them.
Ron Paul was right.
This is blowback.
If I had my family killed, I'd strap a bomb on me and I'd go get somebody.
Right?
It's that simple.
That's why they do it.
And if people can't see this, and if every time I criticize Israel, you want to call me anti-Semite, you are the problem.
because every country I know lies their ass off every leadership I know lies their ass off
if I can't call them out you are the problem not you whoever's ripping me
did I get mad there yes I got mad there you get my blood is pumping now well you were the internet
for that day those few days it was all dave column it was all day common i didn't like it
well and i watched dave dave smith and and candace these guys just shake it right off
just shake it off and i go dave you're a no i do not want to spend my last 15 years fighting people
well they embrace it that's part of their it's they embrace that happens the bigger they get
You know who I find entertaining as fuck?
You want to watch entertaining?
Ian Carroll.
Ian.
I also think he's a prop.
I think he's...
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, but he's funny.
He was on, I think, Rogan.
You know, his dad is mentioned in one of the Manson books from the Valley.
Really?
Yeah.
His dad was a player in...
You mean Weird Scenes in the Canyon?
You know that book?
Yes.
His dad is mentioned on, like, page eight.
Of Weird Scenes in the Canyon?
Yeah, yeah.
So there's a clip when he's on Rogan and he's like, oh, someone's like, did you read that book?
He's like, oh, yeah, I know that book.
My dad's on page eight.
Oh, that's interesting.
His dad was an activist, I think.
Well, so the people haven't read Weird Scenes in the Canyon.
This is a book about how all the famous rock stars who were in Laurel Canyon were all deep state derived kids.
I think it still goes on.
We're not talking.
Well, Eddie Vedder shows up out of nowhere.
Not Eddie Vedder.
Crosby, Stills, Nash, Young.
I think Manson was writing all their music.
Manson.
Alluded to this.
And Frank Zappa, who ended up working for the BIS or somebody, right?
I mean, the whole thing's crazy.
Yeah.
And then what do I find out?
I find out that my wife lived in Laurel Canyon from 77 to 79.
So as I said on a podcast, I said,
so I'm sitting there wondering if I'm married to someone who's completely nuts.
and then I said, which is exactly
what my wife has been thinking.
I don't think my wife is a weird scene
from Laurel Canyon.
I think she was too late.
I think the shit had kind of died down.
As always, Dave, this has been tremendous.
I want to show you,
I took my son fishing this summer.
We went down to the Keys.
So you did go fishing.
So yeah, we go and I'm sitting there hoping,
I hope he hates this.
I hope he hates it.
Because my dad dragged me fishing
and I never wanted to go.
I think that's why I didn't fish as an adult.
I spent too many hours in a boat.
A little kid in a boat is claustrophobic.
Yeah, when you get on the boat, they tell you, first thing, there's no bathroom on the boat.
They tell you there's no rules.
The moment I put my feet up, the guy's yelling at me.
There's no rules, I told you, but you can't put your feet here.
They're yelling at you.
I was a high-energy kid, and just sitting in a boat for eight hours is just...
That's tough.
My son adores it.
So we went back a couple times.
Here's me catching a 720-pound bull shark.
I've only saltwater fished once.
That's all I do.
Where do you live again?
Where do you live?
We're in Florida now, but I grew up on Long Island in New York.
Where on Long Island?
Like by Jones Beach.
My grandmother was in Waynesket, which is near East Hampton.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, that's about an hour past me.
But that was before the Big Shot showed up.
So it was just potato fields.
Yeah, beautiful beaches and great fishing.
The Great South Bay, and then you can get out to the ocean.
My dad was a flounder and fluke fisherman.
He was known all over Long Island.
He never owned a boat because he never wanted all the work.
You know, he'd just go on the commercial boats.
But all the captains knew him.
Did you wear Fugazi for me?
Everything's fake these days, man.
I know.
Everything.
Everything with Bitcoin.
You have to enjoy that.
And I do enjoy watching the crazy, but it has gotten tougher.
It has gotten tougher.
It used to be.
And part of the reason is because you can't make sense of it now.
I used to think I could make sense of it.
Right.
You used to think you wouldn't get somewhere.
Yeah.
Man, have an aha moment.
At least about one thing.
I just got to buy some Bitcoin and go to Florida and fish.
Check out.
Yeah.
Come to Florida.
The fishing was epic.
We caught such a variety of fish down in the Keys.
It was wild.
So we went, the most memorable day of fishing in my life was the most memorable weekend.
We went two and a half days.
We were on the St. Lawrence.
We caught 247 bass between one and two and a half pounds.
Here's my back.
You caught.
Oh, wow.
Look at that.
Okay.
You're in a different category.
It was a.
Wow.
That's serious fishing.
Yeah, nice snapper.
Yeah.
That was great.
Do you use a guide or no?
So this was, yeah, we used a guide.
And he, you know, it was, you have a guide.
So he's got three different kinds of, like I grew up on Long Island, just bottom fishing.
We'd go for one kind of fish at once.
Right.
We'd go for like 19 different kinds of fish here, top, bottom, middle.
So you just never know what's on the hook.
Right.
I grew up where you hold the rod the whole time and you're checking.
This is more like rods are out.
You see what runs.
It's pandemonium.
By the time I got to the rod, he'd always be like,
you got here nine seconds too late.
We just lost the biggest fish ever.
Totally razzing me the whole time.
I was a shoreline caster.
We'd be in the boat and I would cast the shoreline.
My dad, interesting enough, we was on a lake with like 50 guides.
So it's a bass lake.
And it was largemouth.
Every once in a while, you'd pick up a smallmouth.
It would look weird.
It would seem out of place.
My dad had a depthfinder when no one else had one.
And the guides used to razz them.
Oh, yeah, that's it.
He's like with a depthfinder.
He found deepwater shoals that they didn't know about.
And he was pulling huge smallmouth off them that no one had ever fished.
They were in the middle of open water in this lake.
It's not a huge it's like a 38 mile length, but it's not unimaginably huge.
But he was bringing stringers of four pound smallmouth, which is a big smallmouth bass.
And and the guides also all bought depth funders and shit.
He was knocking it out of the park.
He was a legend by then.
Well, technology helps.
Dave, as always, has been so dope.
Have a great night, Dave.
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