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You've got the evil empire here threatening to kill you, murder you, throw you in jail,

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and stealing from you 24-7.

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And you've got one here that's restoring your purchasing power to you all day long.

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Which one would you pick?

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This is what happened to me.

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You know, my entire life got obliterated, and I had no choice.

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I didn't have time to worry about, you know, the government or, you know, somebody coming after me,

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because I had to worry what to eat in the next 30 minutes.

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If you're not in self-custody, you are part of the problem.

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Like if you want to see million dollar Bitcoin or whatever your number is, if you're not in self-custody, you can't verify that the Bitcoin is real.

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Everybody's life situation is getting visibly worse somewhere.

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If it's not the money, it's the online laws, it's the restriction on free speech, it's something.

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While I believe in the bright orange future on the other side of this, it's not going to be perfect, but it's just going to be significantly better.

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I think it has to get worse before people truly seek out what the solution might be.

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Think of Bitcoiners as the new Leonardo da Vinci's of the world, right?

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Like they're out there, they want to build, they want to contribute, they want to upgrade humanity to something, you know, really like incredible.

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Hey everyone, Michael here with the Bitcoin Wave podcast.

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Thank you for tuning in to episode 100.

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I really appreciate you being here today on the show.

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We have our very own Tony Yazbek. Tony is a founder of the Bitcoin Way, incredible guy.

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He has been a huge influence on my Bitcoin journey. And we talk about the Bitcoin Way.

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We talk about geopolitical tensions in the world, everything going on, the mess,

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why Bitcoin in proper self-custody fixes this, the ways you can protect yourself and take

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self-sovereignty over your life. You will love this one.

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Hey, everyone. Like I said in the intro, I've got Tony here. Tony,

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welcome to the 100th episode of the Bitcoin Way podcast.

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Hey, Michael. Pleasure to be here, man. I can't believe we're at number 100 already.

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It's only been five minutes since I took my first video call in this space. Unreal how quickly things move.

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I know. It's been amazing. It's been a fun ride, and no one better to have on for episode 100 than you.

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So we have a lot of ground we can cover here. I want to start, though. I think people are curious what's going on in Bitcoin.

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I actually sent you a link earlier today that, you know, a lot of the viewership of, you know, Bitcoin and crypto related videos are down.

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I think people have this sort of bearish sentiment at the moment because the price isn't doing what everyone wants it to do.

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And the Omega candles haven't come.

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At the same time, gold, silver, like these hard assets, historical hard assets are doing very well, reaching all time highs.

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What is your perception of what's going on?

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I know we don't talk a lot about Bitcoin's price, but that's what draws a lot of people in, obviously, the first time.

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What do you think is happening currently with Bitcoin?

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What's your general assessment?

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Man, there's a lot happening in the world in general, you know, like Bitcoin, you know, being included, obviously.

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But just overall, there's so much going on.

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Like where to start this conversation?

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What's become abundantly clear to, I guess, you know, a larger percentage of the population is that there is a problem.

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You know, like a lot of folks still can't define that problem other than, you know, their lives are becoming more miserable and things are becoming a lot more expensive and, you know, they can't make ends meet and what have you.

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But, you know, most of them still don't know what the root cause of this issue is.

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And, you know, of course, you know, we know it's the broken money.

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And what we're seeing in this space is people's, you know, instinctive reaction to anything that they think is going to be better than saving their money in a bank.

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Those I'm talking about those that are actually paying attention somewhat to what's going on in the world.

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So when you see like prices of gold and silver rip, it's because, you know, folks are buying them because they no longer believe in the dollar or the euro or any other fiat currency.

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But that's the only thing they understand because, you know, they've grown up, you know, with that fact, their parents have, you know, have also probably, you know, accumulated some of it, their grandparents and what have you.

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Bitcoin is still like a very distant conversation because most of these folks, at least those that have significant amount of wealth, you have to you have to understand that they are of a certain age group and most of them don't come from a tech world.

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so when you speak about you know ai or bitcoin in general like this is a foreign language almost

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to these folks and to try to convince them that this is actually money and that this is going to

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become the future of money the future reserve currency because of you know all the uh all the

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characteristics that you know we know very well it's a hard sell you know because you know not

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everybody's open-minded to begin with um certain people of a certain age group just don't want to

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listen. They don't want to learn. They know what they know. They're happy with it. As long as they

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live comfortably until the end of their days, they're not really going to bother with a new

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workout to prepare for the future. I personally think it's a bit selfish, especially if you've got

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a dependence that you love and care about. And not taking the time to understand where the world

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is headed, I think is doing them a major disservice. And so this is what I think is

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happening, but it's like too many things are going on at the same time. And people are just

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instinctively reacting to what they know until it stops working, which then they'll change gears

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into something else. And eventually, like I've always said, all roads will lead to Bitcoin because

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it's the only thing that'll make sense. And it's the only thing that people will be able to trust.

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I think that's what's so interesting to me is that people are rotating into,

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They see the world, the chaos, and they default back to the historical safe haven assets like gold and silver, precious metals.

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And it's fascinating that Bitcoin has been described as digital gold for so long in sort of the TradFi space.

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Obviously, we think that's an analogy that falls short of explaining what Bitcoin is.

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and you still have the same investors not digging in on what Bitcoin is and going straight back to

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gold because of geopolitical turmoil or what have you. And I think it just reemphasizes this notion

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that we are still so early, certainly in adoption. Absolutely. A number go up because the minute that

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this clicks in some meaningful way, and it's not just Larry Fink talking about it, but what we've

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been talking about for forever resonating with people in like the TradFi space on Wall Street in

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a really meaningful way I think we're just it's going to go crazy it's it's I guess on one hand

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I'm surprised and on the other hand I realize what a long journey this is for people to figure it out

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at times and certainly Main Street you know they're busy they're working two jobs just trying

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to make ends meet they're distracted by a million things my hope for 2026 is that more and more

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people turn off sports radio on their way to work in the morning and flip on the Bitcoin

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Way podcast or whatever resource it is to just begin learning.

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point is sort of sink or swim if you're going to figure out Bitcoin or not.

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to worry about, leaving them very little time to think and actually, you know, focus

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on what could possibly be a viable improvement to their life.

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Something so revolutionary like Bitcoin,

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people are going to, like you need to attract them to it, right?

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And everybody focuses on the lighthouse in their own way.

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whether that's through dabbling through ETFs,

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whether that's through having your bank account frozen and seized,

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it doesn't really matter.

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At some point, you know, like something is going to tilt your head

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in the direction of Bitcoin.

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And there's two ways to come to that direction, either through pain or through open-mindedness and listening and doing the work and trying to understand the root cause of your misery and where things are headed.

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And I think this is like a big ego challenge for a lot of folks.

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Most people don't want to listen.

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They believe the world is the way it is and that it'll never, ever change.

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And the biggest factor in all of this is the money.

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Like some people are genuinely convinced till the last breath that money has to be government issued.

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Otherwise, it's of no value or like it's like it's complete nonsense, which is mind blowing,

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considering that it's those same people that they believe in that are behind the cause of their lives being such,

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such miserable ones because the money has no value.

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It is not money.

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It's a system created by a pack of thieves to steal from you.

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And so many people to this day refuse to believe that,

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even though they can't afford anything and they struggle 24-7.

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And they still refuse to focus on what that is.

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but that is fundamentally, I think, the biggest hurdle to having more folks,

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more retail specifically, focus on something like Bitcoin. I think the fear has a big part to do

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with it. And I don't know what's going to break it. I think when the pain of your everyday life

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becomes bigger than the fear, then maybe folks will focus. I mean, this is what happened to me.

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My entire life got obliterated and I had no choice. I didn't have time to worry about the

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government or, you know, somebody coming after me because I had to worry what to eat in the next 30

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minutes. Right. And I think it's going to take perhaps something as extreme as this to sort of

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reprogram the brains into, you know, more folks to start thinking again.

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I completely agree with that because, and here's why I think when it comes to politics,

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what politicians are incredibly good at is this insidious, perpetual act of throwing a bone

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to attract members of the tribe to imagining that they're fighting for you, they're there for you.

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And it's not even exclusively politicians, it's people in power sort of generally. And I look at

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the strategic reserve that was just signed in an executive order, Trump freeing Ross, Elon,

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allowing free speech on X, all of these things that I think people intuitively cheer on when

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they're freedom fighters or they voted for a guy or what have you. But it's really nothing more than

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tribalism because at the same time, Elon's enabling free speech on X, people are getting

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locked up in the UK for social media posts. I mean, everything else is going wrong in the world.

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We've got like, I don't know, eight wars going on or eight proxy wars going on. And we're cheering

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on the fact that, you know, our guy did one thing good, you know, he took men out of women's sports.

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And it's like, congratulations. And they're going to keep on throwing those bones until the, to your

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point, until the pain has become so much that they can no longer ignore the fact that their life is

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actually worse and that those bones that they've been thrown do not solve their most pressing

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problems of providing for their family, feeding their kids, uh, enabling them, you know, a safe

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place to live. And that's the sad thing is that while I believe in the bright orange future on

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the other side of this, it's not going to be perfect, but it's just going to be significantly

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better. I think it has to get worse before people truly seek out in good faith what the solution

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might be. Yeah. And that's the thing, you know, like it's also accepting that you've been lied

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to your entire life. Like it's extremely hard, especially if you, you know, if you have a strong

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sense of patriotism and like in this specific case I'm referencing you know the American people

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because I know how patriotic a lot of Americans are and and rightfully so I mean I grew up in an

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American education so I can completely relate to this but like think of it this way when you try

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to explain something like Bitcoin to someone and they just flat out refuse to listen like I equate

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this to someone coming to tell me that my dad was a serial killer, right? Like even though the

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person telling me this has hard evidence to prove it, but because it's my dad, I will not listen,

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no matter how much proof he shows me, right? So I see this, there's some sort of like similarity

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between trying to convince someone that the dollar or any other fiat currency is not money,

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It's actually a tool to steal from you, extract your time and energy.

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It's almost as, you know, like there's a block between wanting to accept this because that would mean admitting that, holy shit, like nothing about your life is real, right?

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Like you've been a sucker since the day you were born and you just don't want to deal with that.

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And like you'll figure something out other than listening to the facts that this person is presenting you, right?

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So to me, like I sort of like make that analogy because it makes perfect sense.

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Like otherwise, why wouldn't anyone be convinced of it?

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Or at least take 10 minutes to look at the hard fact.

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It's not like somebody's just telling you, go buy this and then that's it.

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They're showing you the proof.

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They're explaining it to you.

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They're giving you the proof of work in their explanation.

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And they're showing you the results of the last 17 years.

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So it's not just like, you know, Mickey Mouse talk here.

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There's hard evidence, but if you have a mind block and you just refuse to listen because you don't want to accept like your dad is potentially a serial killer or your mom is something because they're your parents, right?

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Then nothing's going to happen until some external factor forces you to accept this.

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They just don't want to believe.

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But we're starting to see a change now.

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And I think the change is happening organically.

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Because if you want to simplify the situation as to, you know, why Bitcoin and not the dollar, for example.

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Look at the incentives.

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If the dollar was such a good product, why do you need such a big force to kill, murder, censor, steal, become dystopian, become tyrannical, you know, threaten you?

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extract from you all day long if it was such a good product?

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That's a good question.

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Like, why would you have to be so extreme in your evilness

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to force people to believe you

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if the product in and of itself was a good one?

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So if you just simplify it with that question,

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maybe more people will start to think.

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And then you have a product like Bitcoin,

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rules without rulers,

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There's no living soul behind it, right?

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It's powered by math, bounded by energy,

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protected by cryptography.

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There's no manipulation, provably, in that system.

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And it restores the value of your time and energy

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back to you and in your full control.

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So you've got the evil empire here

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threatening to kill you, murder you,

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throw you in jail, and stealing from you 24-7.

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And you've got one here that's restoring

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your purchasing power to you all day long.

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which one would you pick right it's not a hard choice right tony i think i think the sad thing

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is that people don't the average person has never had it framed to them that way and so to them it's

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it's they they can't even put their finger on why they're getting poorer they just think this is

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part of life or it's supply chain issues or it's russia and putin or it's like it's what they're

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they're watching Fox news or CNN and there's always someone excusing this system of slave of

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economic slavery that we have. And so their only frame of reference is it's someone's fault,

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but it's obviously not the people whose fault it is because we never point back to them.

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otherwise how could we have currency? Right. And so it's all of these, it's, you have people enter

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with all of these preconceived notions

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The only question they ask is,

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what is the latest flavor of excuse?

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Is it Putin?

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Is it COVID supply chain issues?

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Is it now Venezuela's fault?

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Is it illegal immigrants?

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And it's like, all of those things

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are problematic in their own way,

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but it's not the root cause.

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It's afraid to label people the right way.

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Like when you know someone is stealing from you, you call them a thief, right?

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When you see someone commit a crime, you call it out.

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But when it comes to the government, nobody says anything.

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So what does that tell you?

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Like, you know, you're a populace, you know, living in fear.

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Because you see what's happening, but you're too chicken to do something about it

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Or to, at the very least, call it out, right?

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And so if I was living on a farm

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and I saw the neighbor's dog come in

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and kill my sheep every morning,

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what would I do?

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What would you do?

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At some point, you'd shoot that dog, wouldn't you?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So when you see someone breaking in and stealing from you

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or murdering members of your family,

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what do you do?

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You just sit back and just let them do it?

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Because that's exactly what's happening when it comes to your money.

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People don't react because it's not the neighbor's dog and it's not a random thief.

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The real criminal comes behind the title of government and banks, which automatically paralyzes most people, even though the result is the same.

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yeah they steal from you they threaten you they do whatever they have to do in order to force you

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to use the worst possible fraud imaginable to human beings

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what i'm seeing is that more people understanding this and they are opting out peacefully you see

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Because before 2009, like what alternative did the world have?

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Not much, right?

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Power always belonged to whoever was the strongest one.

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And the strongest one was the one with the biggest guns, the most guns.

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And so strength through violence.

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That's how it worked.

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The money is controlled by those who are holding the most guns.

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So if you want to use their product, you have to follow their rules.

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Nobody's saying break the rules, but you have to follow these rules.

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And these rules are rigged.

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They're not in your best interest, no matter which way you look at it.

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They're rigged.

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So as of 2009, there came this thing, landed from nowhere.

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I also believe, you know, just to quote Simon Dixon, I also believe that Bitcoin could very well have been an intelligence product to begin with.

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And part of some like crazy dystopian, you know, idea or objective to come up with a form of currency, which was like slavery on maximum steroids.

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I very well believe that this could have been the initial beginnings of Bitcoin.

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But somewhere along the line, along the way, something went wrong.

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Someone in that team who was developing this product grew a conscience, said enough is enough, didn't like it, whatever.

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And then released the code into the wild, open source.

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The second this happened, history changed.

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You fast forward to today, we have Bitcoin.

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There no back doors anyone claiming this is complete rubbish It auditable visible the most transparent network ever known to mankind

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So as of 2009, there is an option

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not to play on that rigged chessboard anymore.

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There is a new form of money.

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And its main distinction is that it's not government-issued

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or central bank-issued.

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It's issued, again, by code, by math, by cryptography.

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And so you don't have to use that trade chessboard.

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You just have to understand how to use this new money and then move forward.

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And so for the past 16 and 17 years, this is what's been happening.

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And so there's still a mass number of people that don't understand this.

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But because of Bitcoin's finite supply, unfortunately for them, there's not much time for them to figure it out.

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right? Like that scarcity is limited to all of those paying attention today. Now, it's not to

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say that 8 billion people won't benefit from Bitcoin at some point. They definitely will.

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Just not in the same way as those buying, holding in self-custody will. That generational wealth

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that you keep hearing about, that is limited to those actually holding UTXOs, which makes this

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so incredibly powerful. And it's which is why the legacy system is absolutely petrified of Bitcoin.

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They absolutely hate it.

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but they can't attack it anymore

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because they tried in the last 17 years

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and they failed.

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And so they know from a tech perspective

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that's not going anywhere.

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So they attack it

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by trying to reshape the narrative.

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This is how I see the attacks

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and what's going on in the world.

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You know, the Bitcoin ETFs,

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the Bitcoin treasuries,

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you know, all that legacy garbage

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using Bitcoin as a wrapper.

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These are the attacks.

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Why?

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Because it's what the ignorant masses

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are used to. Okay, I have a good bank, I put my money in, they haven't screwed me yet. Now they're

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offering this thing called Bitcoin, which is supposedly, you know, the ticket to riches.

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Let me put my Bitcoin with them, not understanding that they still hold nothing and that at any given

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point in time, that money will be seized and removed from them completely. That's something

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most people still don't believe will happen. And I'm telling you, it's coming 100% because of the

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way things are decaying globally because the fiat ponzi is at its end it's it's the expiry date is

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here already it's not that it's coming it's here it's just that you have to see it decay across

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eight billion people right and so these this is why the tyranny and the dystopia is like at unheard

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levels because they know they don't have a large window of time before eight billion people

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understand that this is the exit.

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That's what's happening here.

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This is why digital IDs,

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central bank digital currencies,

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all these crazy dystopian ideas

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are being like fast-tracked.

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Almost like there's a sprint

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towards getting them out there

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because they're so petrified

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that at any given moment,

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more people understand

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that they don't need this

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and they just walk away.

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That's all that's required

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is for people to stop using the dollar

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or for enough people to stop using the dollar

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and it collapses, it becomes irrelevant.

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The dollar, the euro, the yen, whatever it is,

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all that worthless paper,

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when you have enough people that don't use it,

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there's nothing you can do with it anymore.

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It becomes like something you hear about

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in a history class at some point in the future, right?

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And so this is why I'm optimistic on the future

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because I see those network effects accelerating.

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And so if you ask me, am I worried about the future?

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I'll tell you no.

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So maybe if I could summarize your view on all of this,

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is that we need to see max pain for more people

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because the average person is not going to just wake up

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and be curious on their own.

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However, at the end of the tunnel is this light of,

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you know, 8 billion people benefiting from the existence of Bitcoin.

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The question then just becomes,

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who are the people who are already driven by pain?

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For example, folks like yourself, others in Lebanon,

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others in many places around the world,

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or those like myself who haven't been driven to Bitcoin by pain,

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but rather just curiosity.

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Those are the folks who are going to benefit disproportionately into the future.

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Everyone else is going to benefit sort of by virtue of the incentives that Bitcoin creates.

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What is what for you, Tony, is the most exciting development, either technical or trend, anything

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going on in Bitcoin that you're seeing at the moment?

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The network effects of Bitcoin are exploding.

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There's a lot of tools and advancements, you know, in the ecosystem that are coming.

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Self-custody has is already much simpler than it was, you know, 16 years ago.

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and with the new tools that are being developed and put out,

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this is going to get even more simple.

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I mean, I see it at one point becoming something

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as like a two-step process on a phone and it's done, right?

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But you have to have people understand

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and build enough confidence in themselves

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to know that now they have the option

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to become their own banks.

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This is fundamentally what it comes to.

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The tools are already here.

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Simplified tools, you've got experts,

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you know, like here at the Bitcoin,

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We train people how to do this very meticulously on a daily basis.

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But even that process is going to become much, much simpler in the not so distant future.

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There's many intelligent brains working on Bitcoin.

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I don't think any piece of technology has attracted so much intellect compared to what we see in the Bitcoin space.

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And so I'm bullish on that future.

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When the internet came about, they had two apps in the early days.

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one email, one browser, and now you've got like, you know, an infinite amount. Take this and apply

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it to Bitcoin. This is the stage that we're at now. We're still at that two app stage in the

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Bitcoin ecosystem. There's not many options, but there's like hordes coming and they're better,

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they're faster, they're simpler. You have many more countries now that are using Bitcoin as money.

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Like, I mean, they've been using it for a while now. It's not a novelty anymore.

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It's only, you know, like those bigger countries, those traditional first world countries that are

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still seemingly so far away from the reality of other parts of the world. This is why it seems

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like nobody's adopting Bitcoin. But that couldn't be further from the truth. Bitcoin as money is

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exploding. And I suspect that it's going to continue exploding as people's situation

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continues to deteriorate economically. So if I could elaborate on that concept,

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I think I'm just thinking about this now, so I'm probably going to undersell the point I'm trying to make.

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But imagine like you've got this economic darkness, a sphere of economic darkness.

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It's the fiat world. And in the middle is this little tiny glowing light of Bitcoin.

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And it's not just better money, but we're also beginning to see like the elements that make up a society grow.

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Bitcoin arc. We've got, you know, home water heaters and heating systems being developed that mine Bitcoin.

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We have, you know, people creating just cool gear, gadgets, apparel.

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We've got circular economies being built around critical infrastructure like food supplies with local farmers, local ranchers who are accepting Bitcoin.

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And it's not just people adopting Bitcoin as money, but actually building the necessary components of a culture that is growing.

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So it's like both and.

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Instead of banks, it's the opportunity for self-custody, right?

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And so all of the elements of the fiat system that you have that we rely on, like architecture and heating and plumbing and all of these things,

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it's like we're creating our own little Bitcoinized world of all these things, and it's growing and growing.

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and new innovation is happening in that space.

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Art, same thing.

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And my hope is that over the next five or 10 years,

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we just see that explode

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where you can literally live

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in a self-contained Bitcoin world if you want to.

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And over time, over a long enough time horizon,

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it just replaces and crowds out the darkness

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of the fiat system.

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So I don't know if I'm explaining that well,

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but I think maybe I'm just elaborating perhaps

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on sort of what you're describing here.

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No, you are.

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I mean, Bitcoiners really are a special breed of individuals.

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You know, they're people that have like an extremely strong love for humanity and freedom and, you know, the respect for values and integrity, family and all that stuff.

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They're what I would call like the builders.

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You know, like if you want to, you know, use an analogy to, you know, to pass people, like think of Bitcoiners as the new Leonardo da Vinci's of the world.

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Right.

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Like they're out there.

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They want to build.

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They want to contribute. They want to upgrade humanity to something, you know, really like incredible.

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And so at some point, these people, you know, are going to have the purchasing power to do this.

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And especially as we head towards, you know, a world with AI, which is going to become even more deflationary, there's going to be like I say this all the time.

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I am genuinely convinced we are headed into a split world.

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One of them is going to be deflationary,

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living that Elysium lifestyle.

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And another one is going to be stuck in hell.

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And of course, the world that's built on Elysium

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is going to be founded by sound money,

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incorruptible money,

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like a system of abundance, of wealth,

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of innovation, of love, of unity.

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And the other one is going to be stuck

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in one nightmare no one has seen before.

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You know, one of UBIs, one of central bank digital currencies, digital IDs, and just like a dystopian nightmare like you've never read before.

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And so I'm hopeful more people, you know, will start paying attention to this before they're either stuck or find themselves in a situation where their only exit is a violent one.

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Because who's going to trade their freedom and abundance for that other life?

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right but when enough people in that dark world see what others are doing in that nice world well

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they're going to want it right so how do you go from this to this when there's no ticket to buy

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yeah that's the world that worries me

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yeah it's going to be it's going to be interesting my hope tony is that that would be what you

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described seems highly plausible my hope is it's like an in-between period where eventually the

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world sort of those two worlds merge because people learn okay if i want to have a prosperous

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life i have to provide value i need to refine my skills i need to do something that people

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demand in the marketplace. And then people will part ways with their Bitcoin and spend it on that

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given service or skill set. The challenge right now is that, and I view myself, I think I have

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obviously marketable skills. I am probably far underskilled compared to what I should be

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in a hyper Bitcoinized world because I was raised in a fiat world and I was raised in

436
00:32:39,072 --> 00:32:45,292
fiat education camps. And, um, and so I think people really need to begin recognizing if you

437
00:32:45,292 --> 00:32:49,372
end up in that sort of trap of, you know, you're living in fiat while some of us are living the

438
00:32:49,372 --> 00:32:55,452
high life in a Bitcoin world, what can you do now to begin preparing to bring value to, to society,

439
00:32:55,452 --> 00:33:01,752
to the economy so that these, um, you know, the, the Bitcoiners who have benefited from being

440
00:33:01,752 --> 00:33:07,532
earlier will, will part ways with their sats because you're doing something useful. Um,

441
00:33:07,532 --> 00:33:24,292
Now, how long that takes, I mean, it could be a generation, you know, I mean, you don't flip a switch and suddenly have unique skills to bring to society when you've lived most of your life pushing papers and, you know, just following rules and, you know, checking the boxes on compliance requirements.

442
00:33:24,612 --> 00:33:26,492
But my hope is that it's coming.

443
00:33:27,092 --> 00:33:32,192
Tony, I want to get off this topic because I think something that a lot of people find interesting is the Bitcoin way.

444
00:33:32,192 --> 00:33:47,832
So the company of which you're a founder, our company, and it's been, I'll just say for myself, I've been, I'm coming up on two years with the team. I think I was the first full-time person besides the three founders, and it's been a wild and awesome ride.

445
00:33:48,672 --> 00:34:00,292
How have you found the Bitcoin way to evolve in the last couple of years, three years, since its inception as Bitcoin and the space around Bitcoin evolving?

446
00:34:00,292 --> 00:34:10,872
It's been an incredible journey, man. I mean, I still am a little bit in disbelief, you know, that we came so far in such, you know, a short period of time.

447
00:34:11,312 --> 00:34:17,712
The initial struggle with, you know, putting together the Bitcoin way is just knowing where to start. Right.

448
00:34:17,712 --> 00:34:31,612
I mean, I came from 25 years plus of IT and cybersecurity, and we wanted to push the education around all of this to as many folks as possible, as quickly as possible.

449
00:34:31,792 --> 00:34:36,772
But we needed to find a way to streamline it in a way that it made sense, right?

450
00:34:36,792 --> 00:34:42,432
To break it down into bite-sized pieces so that people don't get overwhelmed, that it's easy to understand and what have you.

451
00:34:43,072 --> 00:34:47,032
And so the initial struggle was into trying to formulate all of this.

452
00:34:47,032 --> 00:34:53,552
And I think we did a terrific job and fine-tuned it, you know, and we continue to fine-tune it like to this day.

453
00:34:53,552 --> 00:34:59,652
But this is an incredibly hard thing to do because I know most people don't come from the tech world.

454
00:34:59,792 --> 00:35:07,792
And so some of the simplest things like to me or someone who's just been living, you know, in that space forever are a big deal.

455
00:35:07,792 --> 00:35:18,532
And so there's an incredible amount of patience and way to translate that seeming complexity into something that's actually fun to do.

456
00:35:18,912 --> 00:35:26,572
Because when people find it fun, the confidence to carry on and push on grows along with it.

457
00:35:26,872 --> 00:35:30,572
And this is something that we've been very successful at doing.

458
00:35:31,052 --> 00:35:37,232
And I'm very proud to say that the whole process has been fine-tuned incredibly since day one.

459
00:35:37,232 --> 00:35:40,192
And we have a lot more coming.

460
00:35:40,432 --> 00:35:44,572
I mean, our vision for the journey to self-sovereignty continues to grow.

461
00:35:44,732 --> 00:35:56,072
I mean, we follow global events and news to see what's going on and how we can tailor our services to provide value to all the folks that contact us.

462
00:35:56,452 --> 00:35:59,252
Because now it's no longer about just the money.

463
00:35:59,572 --> 00:36:00,852
I mean, now you have the money.

464
00:36:01,012 --> 00:36:03,032
You've got you, the individual.

465
00:36:03,812 --> 00:36:05,632
There's your personal safety.

466
00:36:05,632 --> 00:36:09,992
There's, you know, the attacks on your digital data, which are increasing.

467
00:36:10,692 --> 00:36:13,372
So it's not all doom and gloom.

468
00:36:13,592 --> 00:36:17,752
There are many options that people can take to protect themselves, right?

469
00:36:17,892 --> 00:36:20,912
But they just need to be aware of what these options are.

470
00:36:21,032 --> 00:36:23,392
And these options are not going anywhere.

471
00:36:23,852 --> 00:36:30,172
In fact, I'm starting to see like an abundance of these options, specifically because the

472
00:36:30,172 --> 00:36:32,112
situation globally is getting worse.

473
00:36:32,112 --> 00:36:52,432
It's incentivizing those with the intellect to build, to actually build harder, build with mission, build with purpose, build that response to the legacy system that is on a relentless mission to destroy people's life in order for them to remain relevant.

474
00:36:52,432 --> 00:36:59,752
And so a lot of people are fearful of that world because at this point, there's two ways.

475
00:37:00,172 --> 00:37:06,252
You either do nothing and walk straight into a world of slavery, modern digital slavery.

476
00:37:06,612 --> 00:37:07,812
There's no other way to describe it.

477
00:37:08,332 --> 00:37:16,472
Or you do the work to go into a world where you're living on your own terms in a place that actually wants you,

478
00:37:16,472 --> 00:37:19,552
that actually welcomes your value and your contribution

479
00:37:19,552 --> 00:37:23,292
and you're surrounded by like-minded individuals.

480
00:37:24,072 --> 00:37:27,252
And so that dystopian world becomes something you read about,

481
00:37:27,372 --> 00:37:29,092
like you don't have to break your head over.

482
00:37:29,672 --> 00:37:32,552
And so these are really the two options that I see,

483
00:37:32,552 --> 00:37:34,512
at least in the short to midterm future.

484
00:37:34,872 --> 00:37:36,392
Down the line, I don't know what happens,

485
00:37:36,732 --> 00:37:38,452
but ultimately Bitcoin prevails

486
00:37:38,452 --> 00:37:40,272
because I've said it a million times,

487
00:37:40,672 --> 00:37:42,072
when you have neutral money,

488
00:37:43,092 --> 00:37:45,312
the attacks on it are going to accelerate.

489
00:37:45,312 --> 00:37:47,052
It's just the nature of the beast.

490
00:37:47,172 --> 00:37:48,272
Evil wants to live on.

491
00:37:48,592 --> 00:37:50,672
It's going to try to destroy the light.

492
00:37:51,172 --> 00:37:52,432
It won't be able to do it.

493
00:37:52,492 --> 00:37:52,952
Not anymore.

494
00:37:53,732 --> 00:38:01,272
And so once they're depleted of energy and ability to attack it, this thing, you know,

495
00:38:02,032 --> 00:38:03,472
takes over everything.

496
00:38:03,632 --> 00:38:05,072
Now, how long that takes, I have no idea.

497
00:38:05,592 --> 00:38:11,492
But those that are living in that future, as of this conversation, don't worry about

498
00:38:11,492 --> 00:38:18,372
that because they're already living that life. Bitcoiners who understand that it's money,

499
00:38:18,472 --> 00:38:23,332
it's not a speculation, don't complain about high prices as much anymore. Their lives are good.

500
00:38:23,732 --> 00:38:29,132
They're surrounded by like-minded individuals and they're providing value to each other. That's why

501
00:38:29,132 --> 00:38:35,012
you're seeing a boom in circular economies. Now, somebody living in a big city might not see it

502
00:38:35,012 --> 00:38:37,432
because everybody around them is doing nothing.

503
00:38:37,912 --> 00:38:41,772
But if you take yourself out of where you are now

504
00:38:41,772 --> 00:38:45,312
and put yourself somewhere else on this planet

505
00:38:45,312 --> 00:38:46,852
where this is growing,

506
00:38:47,772 --> 00:38:49,392
then everything changes for you.

507
00:38:49,452 --> 00:38:52,132
You're like, wow, why didn't anybody tell me?

508
00:38:52,672 --> 00:38:54,332
Well, no, people were trying to tell you.

509
00:38:54,332 --> 00:38:56,972
You just weren't receptive to that information.

510
00:38:57,672 --> 00:39:01,032
And so you have to almost experience it to believe it.

511
00:39:01,212 --> 00:39:03,552
And once you experience it, there's no going back.

512
00:39:03,552 --> 00:39:05,412
Like there's really no going back.

513
00:39:06,072 --> 00:39:08,132
In my case, Bitcoin saved my life.

514
00:39:08,212 --> 00:39:09,212
Everybody knows this now.

515
00:39:09,692 --> 00:39:13,592
And so if you were to tell me, go back to a fiat job,

516
00:39:13,872 --> 00:39:18,732
like I'd rather die before spending two seconds in a fiat job.

517
00:39:19,292 --> 00:39:20,252
Never going to do it.

518
00:39:20,772 --> 00:39:22,472
Because I understand what it is.

519
00:39:22,752 --> 00:39:24,492
I understand who's behind it.

520
00:39:24,812 --> 00:39:28,532
And if I were to invest my time and energy in that world,

521
00:39:29,112 --> 00:39:31,952
that says more about me, right?

522
00:39:31,952 --> 00:39:41,612
And so if you've got any form of self-respect and dignity, you would never spend 10 seconds in that world knowing that you have an option.

523
00:39:42,132 --> 00:39:46,032
Now, I understand it's not a given to just stop and shift over.

524
00:39:46,632 --> 00:39:47,652
It's a process.

525
00:39:48,532 --> 00:39:49,552
Nobody said it was easy.

526
00:39:50,012 --> 00:39:51,452
It's possible.

527
00:39:52,292 --> 00:39:55,172
And once you do the work, it gets easier.

528
00:39:55,712 --> 00:39:57,412
But you have to start somewhere.

529
00:39:57,772 --> 00:39:59,612
It's like you're completely out of shape.

530
00:39:59,992 --> 00:40:02,252
Somebody tells you, if you don't go to the gym, you're going to die.

531
00:40:03,052 --> 00:40:06,992
Some people would rather die because the thought of going to work out is like, ah, fuck, too much.

532
00:40:07,672 --> 00:40:11,052
But you have some people, they're like, okay, I know it's going to be tough.

533
00:40:11,052 --> 00:40:15,132
I know it's going to be shitty in the beginning because I'm so out of shape.

534
00:40:15,692 --> 00:40:20,412
But once, twice, you keep at it and then it gets easier and easier.

535
00:40:20,512 --> 00:40:22,452
And before you know it, then you're in shape.

536
00:40:22,552 --> 00:40:23,092
You look good.

537
00:40:23,152 --> 00:40:23,732
You feel good.

538
00:40:24,032 --> 00:40:24,672
Life's great.

539
00:40:25,652 --> 00:40:29,132
Economically, financially, Bitcoin does the same thing to your life.

540
00:40:29,612 --> 00:40:34,312
It may be hard at first, or at least hard in your head.

541
00:40:34,792 --> 00:40:45,332
But when you've got a shortcut, like experts, like at the Bitcoin Way, the team, to walk you through it, then most of these hurdles are eliminated for you.

542
00:40:45,612 --> 00:40:52,032
You're going from point A to point B in the shortest amount of time with an assurance that you cannot make a mistake.

543
00:40:52,432 --> 00:40:54,892
Because, of course, we've curated that process for you.

544
00:40:54,892 --> 00:41:07,832
And so once you get there and you build that muscle memory, then you no longer think of Bitcoin as an investment, which is still something a lot of people are doing, speculating to sell it for more dollars or euros or other worthless paper.

545
00:41:08,012 --> 00:41:11,152
That's not it. It's a savings that appreciates in value.

546
00:41:11,832 --> 00:41:14,692
Once that clicks, your life gets better.

547
00:41:16,592 --> 00:41:18,392
I couldn't agree with that more.

548
00:41:18,552 --> 00:41:23,012
One of the interesting things for me has been my journey with the Bitcoin way.

549
00:41:23,012 --> 00:41:28,152
So I think when I started I obviously I think you you probably would recognize this in the way that I talk

550
00:41:28,892 --> 00:41:30,892
Online to some degree certainly offline

551
00:41:31,712 --> 00:41:47,744
my beliefs and philosophy on on Bitcoin and life in many ways has changed It been interesting though to see The growth of the Bitcoin way because when I when I started I don think I had internalized the the desire

552
00:41:47,744 --> 00:41:52,404
for people to take self custody. I knew as a client of the Bitcoin way prior to joining the

553
00:41:52,404 --> 00:41:57,744
team that I wanted that for myself. And I think I always kind of had in the back of my mind is

554
00:41:57,744 --> 00:42:03,084
how long can this really go on? You know, I think there are people. Yeah, some people are going to

555
00:42:03,084 --> 00:42:07,704
take self-custody, but eventually, you know, is the market going to kind of dry up because people

556
00:42:07,704 --> 00:42:13,564
are just going to opt into banks? And what's been cool for me to see is any, any lingering doubt is,

557
00:42:13,664 --> 00:42:18,204
is, has been eradicated by the fact that our team is growing and we have more and more people who

558
00:42:18,204 --> 00:42:22,784
want to take self-custody. And then when I step back, I imagine there are, you know, seven or

559
00:42:22,784 --> 00:42:28,304
eight billion people in the world, even further down the road, some percentage of the, of that

560
00:42:28,304 --> 00:42:33,644
group is going to want to take self-custody, be self-sovereign. And so it's not exclusively

561
00:42:33,644 --> 00:42:38,224
Bitcoin self-custody. I think at some point that market does dry up and, you know, further out into

562
00:42:38,224 --> 00:42:42,704
the future, but because not everyone can own UTXOs and transact on the base layer and there will

563
00:42:42,704 --> 00:42:48,464
probably be other services that we eventually offer. But the cool thing about our business is

564
00:42:48,464 --> 00:42:53,324
it's not just, yes, it's Bitcoin focused and oriented, but it's really self-sovereignty driven.

565
00:42:53,324 --> 00:43:07,804
And so we have cybersecurity, privacy phones, plan Bs, and anyone who is trying to further their life and improve their life as it relates to their own personal freedom should come to the Bitcoin way for something.

566
00:43:08,424 --> 00:43:11,524
What has it felt like for you watching the team grow?

567
00:43:11,644 --> 00:43:16,204
And we're four times larger than when I started, I think.

568
00:43:16,204 --> 00:43:27,404
No, it's incredibly exciting. And for me, the growth of the team means that there's enough people in the world that are finally starting to pay attention to what matters.

569
00:43:27,804 --> 00:43:37,004
The value in our services is really upgrading people's lives, empowering them to regain full control over what they completely lost.

570
00:43:37,724 --> 00:43:42,484
I mean, when we train folks and we provide them guidance on all the options available to them,

571
00:43:43,964 --> 00:43:49,844
it's a massive upgrade to their current situation, be it financial, be it, you know, their digital privacy.

572
00:43:49,844 --> 00:43:54,284
And, you know, in many cases now, their jurisdiction, people are moving.

573
00:43:55,024 --> 00:44:01,044
It's when you first talk about, you know, plan B's, it's a big decision because, you know, you've got friends,

574
00:44:01,164 --> 00:44:03,564
families, your whole life, you know, has been in one place.

575
00:44:03,564 --> 00:44:11,124
And now all of a sudden, you know, the mere thought of going somewhere else where you know nobody is a very scary one.

576
00:44:11,883 --> 00:44:16,264
But, you know, that process is also something that we've simplified.

577
00:44:16,684 --> 00:44:18,124
We've broken it down.

578
00:44:18,383 --> 00:44:24,404
We go out of our way to help folks meet other folks in the same, you know, on the same journey as they are.

579
00:44:24,464 --> 00:44:30,104
So, you know, it completely removes these mind blocks.

580
00:44:30,104 --> 00:44:33,883
and as the situation locally becomes worse,

581
00:44:34,184 --> 00:44:35,284
depending where you are,

582
00:44:36,084 --> 00:44:38,364
then it no longer becomes a plan B.

583
00:44:38,644 --> 00:44:40,544
It almost like shifts to a plan A

584
00:44:40,544 --> 00:44:42,664
and you no longer just want one.

585
00:44:42,824 --> 00:44:45,484
Now you want like two, three, four, maybe five of them.

586
00:44:45,484 --> 00:44:47,464
We have clients with nine passports.

587
00:44:48,704 --> 00:44:49,144
Why?

588
00:44:49,604 --> 00:44:52,824
Because why not?

589
00:44:52,964 --> 00:44:54,404
It's so incredibly empowering

590
00:44:54,404 --> 00:44:56,504
that they don't trust anywhere anymore.

591
00:44:56,764 --> 00:44:58,084
So it's good to have options.

592
00:44:58,084 --> 00:45:04,304
If you're only stuck with one residency or one passport, you're literally at the mercy of that location.

593
00:45:04,944 --> 00:45:06,504
This day and age, you don't want that.

594
00:45:06,724 --> 00:45:10,864
You definitely want to have more options because you don't know what happens tomorrow, right?

595
00:45:10,944 --> 00:45:15,484
And you want to be in a position where you can be like a butterfly.

596
00:45:15,704 --> 00:45:18,504
Something breaks here, you get up and you leave and you go somewhere else.

597
00:45:18,844 --> 00:45:24,204
And as long as you control your money and you've got options in residencies or citizenships,

598
00:45:24,204 --> 00:45:29,244
you're a free, sovereign individual roaming the planet on your own terms.

599
00:45:29,804 --> 00:45:33,024
And there are always going to be places that want you.

600
00:45:33,544 --> 00:45:37,604
But again, the doom and gloom scenarios is not global.

601
00:45:38,264 --> 00:45:41,644
It seems global when you're only listening to the same news.

602
00:45:42,104 --> 00:45:46,104
But if you step out of that manipulated mainstream garbage

603
00:45:46,104 --> 00:45:49,064
and you listen to real stories of real people

604
00:45:49,064 --> 00:45:51,984
whose lives have improved significantly,

605
00:45:51,984 --> 00:45:57,724
then you realize that, you know, first of all, you understand that the world is a very large place

606
00:45:57,724 --> 00:46:03,524
and there are many people that are available to lend a helping hand

607
00:46:03,524 --> 00:46:09,624
and it will help you forget whatever doom and gloom scenarios you think you're stuck in.

608
00:46:09,984 --> 00:46:10,724
Nobody's stuck.

609
00:46:11,344 --> 00:46:17,104
And here at the Bitcoin Way, we go out of our way to really get you from point A to point B

610
00:46:17,104 --> 00:46:22,904
in as seamless and quick of a fashion as humanly possible.

611
00:46:23,084 --> 00:46:24,684
Like we do all the work in the back end

612
00:46:24,684 --> 00:46:26,084
so that you don't have to.

613
00:46:26,184 --> 00:46:28,624
You just have to show up, want to do it.

614
00:46:28,924 --> 00:46:29,484
That's it.

615
00:46:29,744 --> 00:46:30,804
We'll take care of the rest.

616
00:46:32,004 --> 00:46:32,164
Yeah.

617
00:46:32,644 --> 00:46:34,484
So if you'd like,

618
00:46:34,844 --> 00:46:37,084
would you like to tease the audience

619
00:46:37,084 --> 00:46:39,124
with anything that you anticipate in the coming year

620
00:46:39,124 --> 00:46:40,284
for the Bitcoin way?

621
00:46:41,284 --> 00:46:43,164
I feel like we're always working on something

622
00:46:43,164 --> 00:46:44,944
in the background that nobody knows about.

623
00:46:45,044 --> 00:46:46,044
And then we have a big launch.

624
00:46:46,044 --> 00:46:54,364
But what, I guess, what are you looking forward to this year and anything that you'd like to, you know, sort of plant in the minds of anyone listening?

625
00:46:54,824 --> 00:47:02,724
No, man. All I'll say is that I think 2026 is going to be an incredibly bullish year for Bitcoin and sovereignty in general.

626
00:47:03,144 --> 00:47:08,004
And we're going to be riding that wave. We're always exploring new opportunities.

627
00:47:08,004 --> 00:47:14,424
We're taking these opportunities and, you know, simplifying them so that more people can reach them.

628
00:47:14,424 --> 00:47:19,664
and we'll be announcing a few good surprises

629
00:47:19,664 --> 00:47:21,324
in the coming weeks and months.

630
00:47:21,584 --> 00:47:22,624
So stay tuned.

631
00:47:23,304 --> 00:47:24,624
The future is bullish.

632
00:47:25,184 --> 00:47:28,864
I am not negative on the future by any stretch.

633
00:47:29,484 --> 00:47:31,964
Again, Bitcoin is the game changer.

634
00:47:32,344 --> 00:47:33,644
It is not going anywhere.

635
00:47:34,024 --> 00:47:38,104
The fact that so few people understand this today

636
00:47:38,104 --> 00:47:39,264
is not a negative.

637
00:47:39,904 --> 00:47:40,804
It's a plus.

638
00:47:40,804 --> 00:47:43,624
It's a major plus for those who are

639
00:47:43,624 --> 00:47:48,084
because at some point the rest is going to FOMO in like seemingly overnight.

640
00:47:48,744 --> 00:47:51,244
But, you know, what that looks like, I have no idea, man.

641
00:47:51,344 --> 00:47:55,004
But if you want to start living in a future of abundance

642
00:47:55,004 --> 00:47:58,284
and, you know, deflationary economies,

643
00:47:58,684 --> 00:48:00,764
you can do this as of this second.

644
00:48:02,144 --> 00:48:04,084
Yeah, I think that's well said.

645
00:48:04,084 --> 00:48:06,704
So, okay, that's a note of optimism.

646
00:48:07,144 --> 00:48:10,704
Let's talk a little bit about what's wrong with the world.

647
00:48:10,704 --> 00:48:23,144
So I think part of what when I think about my journey the last two years working with you and what's radicalized me is, first of all, I mean, just having conversations with you, understanding more deeply what you know what happened in Lebanon for you.

648
00:48:24,224 --> 00:48:32,244
I've had the opportunity to I think I would say some of the most impactful people the last couple of years for me have been clients of the Bitcoin way who I've had on the podcast.

649
00:48:32,364 --> 00:48:40,084
I've sort of become friends with offline where they're sending me book recommendations and podcast recommendations and I'm digging in on in other areas.

650
00:48:40,084 --> 00:48:46,464
and then i watch all of the news that we talk about on our so this this podcast channel has

651
00:48:46,464 --> 00:48:50,324
a segment called bitcoin banter if anyone you know listening hasn't listened tuned into that

652
00:48:50,324 --> 00:48:55,484
it's it's fun it's sort of news-based we have have some good laughs make fun of uh clown world

653
00:48:55,484 --> 00:49:01,024
but i look at id laws in australia and never mind like you know folks like adam hudson who

654
00:49:01,024 --> 00:49:05,464
were good friends with who are from australia talking about like the insane taxation that

655
00:49:05,464 --> 00:49:11,364
happens there. Social media arrests in the UK. We've got surveillance tech being rolled out in

656
00:49:11,364 --> 00:49:19,484
the US, courtesy of Palantir and many others. Where do you see the world headed? And never

657
00:49:19,484 --> 00:49:26,984
mind Venezuela and Yemen and Palestine and Ukraine-Russia conflict and the prospects of

658
00:49:26,984 --> 00:49:32,724
Taiwan and China maybe having a skirmish. What do you anticipate happening? Because you've been

659
00:49:32,724 --> 00:49:38,364
calling out like some sort of a black swan event, internet outages or, you know, grid blackouts,

660
00:49:38,464 --> 00:49:45,264
other things. Do you think that 2026 is going to be the year where it goes from, you know,

661
00:49:45,264 --> 00:49:50,864
sort of this one-off kind of thing to like, we have this before and after event that everyone

662
00:49:50,864 --> 00:49:56,744
points to and says, this is where the world sort of changed, you know, and like the fourth turning

663
00:49:56,744 --> 00:50:01,564
became evident to everyone. That's a very interesting question, man. And I guess it's

664
00:50:01,564 --> 00:50:07,624
really depends on where you are. I think where things are getting bad, they're going to get,

665
00:50:07,624 --> 00:50:13,064
much, much, much, much worse. For example, like in countries like Australia, unfortunately,

666
00:50:13,364 --> 00:50:19,004
where almost every other week you hear of a horror story. What we're witnessing these days

667
00:50:19,004 --> 00:50:24,904
is the collapse of an empire. This is like history in the making. When you see an entire

668
00:50:24,904 --> 00:50:31,544
monetary system that's been around for over 100 years finally die, well, all this insanity,

669
00:50:31,564 --> 00:50:35,324
that you see around it, you know, is the result of it.

670
00:50:35,944 --> 00:50:38,484
The systems in power that have been, you know,

671
00:50:38,664 --> 00:50:41,624
benefiting from fake money, that worthless paper,

672
00:50:42,144 --> 00:50:43,744
these are parasitical systems.

673
00:50:44,064 --> 00:50:46,724
All they know is how to steal and extract.

674
00:50:47,604 --> 00:50:49,924
And so now that there's a real competitor

675
00:50:49,924 --> 00:50:51,764
that they can no longer stop,

676
00:50:52,124 --> 00:50:55,064
that is a viable option for 8 billion people,

677
00:50:55,504 --> 00:50:58,584
they are desperately trying to find ways

678
00:50:58,584 --> 00:51:01,244
to lock you into their world

679
00:51:01,244 --> 00:51:03,104
so that you cannot leave

680
00:51:03,104 --> 00:51:06,584
because they know as soon as you exit

681
00:51:06,584 --> 00:51:08,424
into a Bitcoin world,

682
00:51:08,604 --> 00:51:10,044
you are never coming back.

683
00:51:10,904 --> 00:51:12,964
And so again, that ties to what I said earlier.

684
00:51:13,464 --> 00:51:14,724
Look at the incentives.

685
00:51:15,644 --> 00:51:18,524
If their product was so good,

686
00:51:19,084 --> 00:51:22,424
why would you need to be the devil himself

687
00:51:22,424 --> 00:51:24,644
in order to force people to use it?

688
00:51:26,144 --> 00:51:30,324
It's because it's a shitty product.

689
00:51:31,064 --> 00:51:32,244
You're a bad person.

690
00:51:33,084 --> 00:51:36,364
And when people understand the truth about you,

691
00:51:36,724 --> 00:51:40,104
no rational human being will spend two seconds on you.

692
00:51:40,664 --> 00:51:41,244
That's why.

693
00:51:41,964 --> 00:51:44,764
And so you've got countries now that are, you know,

694
00:51:44,824 --> 00:51:49,784
quicker to, like more, they're losing control quickly,

695
00:51:49,784 --> 00:51:51,364
like quicker than other places.

696
00:51:51,984 --> 00:51:55,964
And so that's where you start hearing these insane stories more frequently.

697
00:51:56,724 --> 00:51:58,764
The bigger countries, you know,

698
00:51:58,764 --> 00:52:00,524
I guess they have a little bit more time.

699
00:52:00,704 --> 00:52:05,104
I don't think they're going to be escaping their fate.

700
00:52:05,824 --> 00:52:08,164
Fiat money, as far as I'm concerned, is dead.

701
00:52:08,224 --> 00:52:10,504
It's been dead since 2009.

702
00:52:10,824 --> 00:52:14,004
It's just like the world hasn't understood or realized that yet.

703
00:52:14,464 --> 00:52:20,264
But enough people have, and those who have, have walked away from that world.

704
00:52:20,864 --> 00:52:25,104
And so I expect things to get worse where things are bad already.

705
00:52:25,104 --> 00:52:30,964
And I expect things to get much better where things are moving in the right direction.

706
00:52:31,124 --> 00:52:35,504
Like you have countries now that have better tax incentives, that are embracing Bitcoin,

707
00:52:35,884 --> 00:52:40,384
that are welcoming people with, you know, with values and contributions that are not

708
00:52:40,384 --> 00:52:42,744
harassing them with all sorts of stupidities.

709
00:52:43,184 --> 00:52:47,844
These countries are going to boom in ways, you know, that are, you know, Renaissance-like.

710
00:52:48,504 --> 00:52:53,864
And so that's why I'm saying when we're headed towards that split world, the visual between

711
00:52:53,864 --> 00:52:59,844
dark and light is going to be like insane. And so those in the dark that are stuck there

712
00:52:59,844 --> 00:53:06,984
are going to desperately want to leave. But there's no ticket at that point. Or it's going to be an

713
00:53:06,984 --> 00:53:12,224
extremely expensive ticket because no one's going to trade something from here to go back here.

714
00:53:13,524 --> 00:53:19,764
And so what that transition looks like, this is what I don't know. But if I'm going to trust my

715
00:53:19,764 --> 00:53:26,564
gut instinct, it's definitely not good, which is why we're trying to push out as much education

716
00:53:26,564 --> 00:53:33,824
and messaging for folks to let them know that this delusion of, oh, it's not going to happen here,

717
00:53:33,864 --> 00:53:38,644
or it's unlikely to happen here, or it's too much work, that's going to be the biggest mistake,

718
00:53:38,644 --> 00:53:48,504
in my opinion, that people make. So I think that fear is the final tool in the toolbox for tyrants.

719
00:53:48,504 --> 00:53:53,124
and what we what we tend to see day to day.

720
00:53:53,124 --> 00:53:57,164
And I know I tend to speak from a U.S.-centric perspective because that's that's where I am.

721
00:53:57,184 --> 00:53:59,104
And it's sort of what I tend to see.

722
00:53:59,104 --> 00:54:05,244
But what we've what we've seen in the U.S., and I suspect it's similar in other places for so long,

723
00:54:05,244 --> 00:54:12,004
is the fear that Russia is, you know, the bad guy and they're going to do something or China is the bad guy and they're going to do something.

724
00:54:12,004 --> 00:54:24,484
And so they try to invoke fear in our lives by, you know, painting something as if they don't intervene, if they don't do something, if they don't take more power, if they don't surveil, something bad is going to happen.

725
00:54:24,864 --> 00:54:26,504
And I think most people latch on to that.

726
00:54:26,864 --> 00:54:30,724
I think Bitcoiners are sort of awakened to that general theme that plays out.

727
00:54:30,724 --> 00:54:43,584
What I what I don't fear this, but I what I suspect is likely is that when that stops working on enough of the population because people adopt Bitcoin, they recognize the lies for what they are.

728
00:54:44,724 --> 00:54:49,964
Then the fear is going to be more acutely targeted toward those people who have opted out.

729
00:54:50,104 --> 00:54:59,764
If you don't play ball in our system, if you don't turn in your Bitcoin, if you don't, you know, fill in the blank, we are coming after you.

730
00:54:59,764 --> 00:55:04,004
We're no longer trying to scare you with this, the boogeyman of Russia, the boogeyman of China.

731
00:55:04,664 --> 00:55:08,004
Like we are now we are the threat directly to you.

732
00:55:08,284 --> 00:55:19,904
And the question for me is what percentage of Bitcoiners are ready to hold the line and, you know, and face the potential repercussions of being a Bitcoiner fighting this fight.

733
00:55:20,284 --> 00:55:23,384
And, you know, I obviously hope it never turns violent.

734
00:55:23,384 --> 00:55:29,584
I mean, I've, you know, what I've opted for to this point is a peaceful revolution and just simply opting out of the system.

735
00:55:29,764 --> 00:55:50,444
But I could see as more and more governments wake up to the real threat of Bitcoin and the push towards sort of fiatizing Bitcoin and the push for using fear-mongering tactics that other countries are going to do something to us and our government becomes a threat.

736
00:55:50,824 --> 00:55:53,904
I just wonder what it's going to look like for the average Bitcoiner.

737
00:55:54,464 --> 00:55:57,624
Well, the governments have already woken up to the Bitcoin reality.

738
00:55:57,624 --> 00:56:00,544
In my opinion, there's no doubt about this.

739
00:56:00,624 --> 00:56:03,584
They know exactly what this is and they don't like it.

740
00:56:03,824 --> 00:56:06,624
Absolutely don't like it because they can't stop it.

741
00:56:07,464 --> 00:56:15,424
And what they want to prevent is from more people understanding that this exists because it renders them completely obsolete.

742
00:56:16,444 --> 00:56:23,184
So historically speaking, your freedom has always been protected through war.

743
00:56:23,184 --> 00:56:32,204
There was no other way to claim freedom other than having more good fight off bad and having the good win.

744
00:56:32,944 --> 00:56:42,864
Bitcoin, as far as I can recall, is the first time in humankind history that you have a peaceful way to revolt.

745
00:56:43,584 --> 00:56:45,544
You don't have to shoot anyone.

746
00:56:45,544 --> 00:56:57,224
You just stop using the other product and start using something that no one can corrupt or dictate or use against you in any way, shape or form.

747
00:56:57,884 --> 00:57:04,224
But it's so simple that it seems like mission impossible for so many people.

748
00:57:04,884 --> 00:57:08,484
And so the government attacks on Bitcoin have already started, man.

749
00:57:08,624 --> 00:57:13,284
Like this is the ETF, the treasuries, the stablecoin, the Genius Act.

750
00:57:13,284 --> 00:57:14,584
Like who's the genius?

751
00:57:14,584 --> 00:57:17,264
It's definitely not the population, right?

752
00:57:17,464 --> 00:57:22,724
The genius is for those behind that silly policy

753
00:57:22,724 --> 00:57:26,184
because what it's going to do is that it's going to push

754
00:57:26,184 --> 00:57:30,064
that rubbish onto the world,

755
00:57:30,364 --> 00:57:33,704
having normal people hold on to you as dead.

756
00:57:34,344 --> 00:57:35,984
And then when enough people are in it,

757
00:57:36,424 --> 00:57:39,344
then they flip the switch and then boom,

758
00:57:39,484 --> 00:57:42,144
there goes your digital slave chain

759
00:57:42,144 --> 00:57:46,184
and your life is essentially now literally owned

760
00:57:46,184 --> 00:57:49,544
by someone who has no good intentions towards you.

761
00:57:49,944 --> 00:57:52,864
Every breath you take needs to be permissioned at that point.

762
00:57:53,364 --> 00:57:57,024
That is the world, that is the price of doing nothing

763
00:57:57,024 --> 00:58:02,924
and not listening to folks who are trying to bring awareness

764
00:58:02,924 --> 00:58:06,864
about this reality and the fact that there is an option now

765
00:58:06,864 --> 00:58:09,544
that completely prevents it, right?

766
00:58:09,664 --> 00:58:11,504
Bitcoin in full self-custody.

767
00:58:11,504 --> 00:58:25,884
If you want to boycott tyranny, if you want to boycott governments, if you don't believe in central banks, if you want to put an end to them, then the only vote that matters is the one of your time, your energy and your money.

768
00:58:26,904 --> 00:58:31,344
Your ballot is as worthless as a soil piece of toilet paper.

769
00:58:32,204 --> 00:58:33,904
It doesn't matter who you vote for.

770
00:58:34,344 --> 00:58:39,544
Some people think it might because, you know, they get one little piece of candy given to them and that's it.

771
00:58:39,544 --> 00:58:42,564
they're all on the same side.

772
00:58:43,304 --> 00:58:44,684
One throws you one candy,

773
00:58:44,844 --> 00:58:46,484
the other one throws you another piece of candy,

774
00:58:46,604 --> 00:58:49,744
but ultimately they hold the whole jar, right?

775
00:58:49,744 --> 00:58:51,704
And they're just giving you these little nuggets

776
00:58:51,704 --> 00:58:54,844
to keep you quiet and calm.

777
00:58:56,104 --> 00:59:00,104
But I don't think this is going to last very long.

778
00:59:01,584 --> 00:59:05,084
Yeah, I obviously couldn't agree more with that

779
00:59:05,084 --> 00:59:07,004
because that's kind of what I've been trying to,

780
00:59:07,004 --> 00:59:25,504
I sometimes get into debates online and offline with people who are cheering on a particular policy or and I'm like, hey, listen, I agree with you in principle that that this policy is, you know, striving for something good.

781
00:59:25,504 --> 00:59:36,684
What I fear people fall into is complacency, that they they take that piece of candy and they're like, yeah, see, I knew my guy, you know, my my politician was going to come through on this.

782
00:59:36,684 --> 00:59:56,264
And then they completely like the tribalism is reinforced. And then they're completely blind to the fact that they're getting absolutely screwed in a million other ways and that their tax dollars are going to pay for foreign wars that they don't care about, that they're being, you know, coerced their value, their productive values being coercively extracted every day in the form of monetary inflation.

783
00:59:56,264 --> 00:59:58,904
and everything else is going wrong.

784
00:59:59,044 --> 01:00:00,884
But at least they got their little piece of candy.

785
01:00:01,004 --> 01:00:02,544
And that's what's so frustrating for me

786
01:00:02,544 --> 01:00:04,704
is I feel like I've woken up to that.

787
01:00:05,284 --> 01:00:08,404
Many Bitcoiners, I think, are still, in my view,

788
01:00:08,524 --> 01:00:10,384
cheering on the same evil politicians

789
01:00:10,384 --> 01:00:13,284
just because they threw them a bone and they freed Ross.

790
01:00:13,364 --> 01:00:15,424
And I'm like, I'm glad Ross is free as well.

791
01:00:16,084 --> 01:00:18,644
However, that does not negate the fact

792
01:00:18,644 --> 01:00:22,284
that 80, 90% of everything else that's been done

793
01:00:22,284 --> 01:00:24,964
over the last year has been utterly catastrophic

794
01:00:24,964 --> 01:00:26,584
for the lives of most people.

795
01:00:27,784 --> 01:00:30,664
You know, I mean, just imperialism,

796
01:00:30,904 --> 01:00:33,044
protectionist tariff policies,

797
01:00:33,324 --> 01:00:37,784
like everything else adds up to utter failure, I think.

798
01:00:37,984 --> 01:00:39,744
And, you know, I'm hopeful that we,

799
01:00:39,984 --> 01:00:41,284
more people begin to wake up to that.

800
01:00:41,284 --> 01:00:44,344
The thing is, man, as long as people believe

801
01:00:44,344 --> 01:00:46,964
that there is such a thing as decent government

802
01:00:46,964 --> 01:00:52,284
and fair laws, they'd be hard pressed to change

803
01:00:52,284 --> 01:00:55,164
until they're absolutely forced to,

804
01:00:55,264 --> 01:00:57,504
where your money literally can't buy you anything,

805
01:00:57,764 --> 01:01:00,044
and now you have to react somehow.

806
01:01:00,524 --> 01:01:02,044
Because there are no laws.

807
01:01:02,584 --> 01:01:04,044
There's never been any laws.

808
01:01:05,304 --> 01:01:07,524
Bitcoin cast a spotlight on this.

809
01:01:07,964 --> 01:01:11,524
It's all been one big club

810
01:01:11,524 --> 01:01:14,284
that regular people are not part of.

811
01:01:14,864 --> 01:01:16,344
And that big club, unfortunately,

812
01:01:16,844 --> 01:01:18,864
owns most of the guns.

813
01:01:19,464 --> 01:01:20,864
That's why they're in power.

814
01:01:21,084 --> 01:01:22,064
Not because they're good,

815
01:01:22,284 --> 01:01:27,284
It's because, you know, they threaten and kill and murder and, you know, cause all sorts of

816
01:01:27,284 --> 01:01:33,244
insanities around the world. That's the only reason. And so when they're no longer able to

817
01:01:33,244 --> 01:01:40,304
fund themselves, this comes to an end. And who can stop this? It's the people. You know, there's,

818
01:01:40,304 --> 01:01:46,564
it's just, it's a numbers game. There's 8 billion folks versus that small club, which currently,

819
01:01:46,564 --> 01:01:55,744
sadly controls the monetary system for 8 billion people. Up until again 2009, there is real money

820
01:01:55,744 --> 01:02:03,324
now that came out that they can't touch. So the only thing they can do is scare the living

821
01:02:03,324 --> 01:02:10,264
daylights out of you. So hopefully you don't touch that new money that they can't control because

822
01:02:10,264 --> 01:02:16,364
once they lose that, they lose control over you. And that in the head of a psychopath who believes

823
01:02:16,364 --> 01:02:20,064
they have the right to play God, is terrifying.

824
01:02:20,304 --> 01:02:22,244
It's like, oh, no, no, no, no, this cannot happen.

825
01:02:22,964 --> 01:02:36,076
Again they been living over a century extracting from you living for free at the expense of 8 billion people This came to an end in 2009 right

826
01:02:36,376 --> 01:02:42,115
And so when your only skill is to put out evil in this world,

827
01:02:42,615 --> 01:02:46,216
you have to eliminate that threat.

828
01:02:47,036 --> 01:02:49,756
But it's not going to happen.

829
01:02:50,736 --> 01:02:52,896
Open source code, peer-to-peer technology,

830
01:02:52,896 --> 01:02:55,316
Again, it's these ideas whose time has come.

831
01:02:55,936 --> 01:02:57,135
You cannot stop this.

832
01:02:57,655 --> 01:03:00,776
You just need enough people to wake up to that fact.

833
01:03:01,236 --> 01:03:02,216
And I think it's coming.

834
01:03:02,836 --> 01:03:06,536
I definitely think it's coming because we're starting to see it.

835
01:03:07,456 --> 01:03:11,036
One from our interactions with folks when we travel.

836
01:03:12,556 --> 01:03:20,536
There's just more buzz and attention because everybody's life situation is getting visibly worse somewhere.

837
01:03:20,536 --> 01:03:26,436
If it's not the money, it's the online laws, it's the restriction on free speech, it's something.

838
01:03:27,256 --> 01:03:32,216
And everybody has that line that if it gets crossed, they're like, that's enough.

839
01:03:32,696 --> 01:03:34,896
And then they push back, right?

840
01:03:35,155 --> 01:03:43,296
So all this decay that's happening globally, I see it as a good thing because it's going to push people to react.

841
01:03:43,296 --> 01:03:52,056
It's going to push developers to develop harder, to build tools, to take us to the point where you cannot stop this, whether you like it or not.

842
01:03:52,416 --> 01:03:53,456
There's no stopping this.

843
01:03:54,135 --> 01:03:57,996
So the more they attack privacy software, the better software comes out.

844
01:03:58,135 --> 01:04:04,356
The more they attack free speech, the better the tech comes to bypassing their stupidities, right?

845
01:04:04,635 --> 01:04:07,856
And so it's not just a one-way street here.

846
01:04:08,416 --> 01:04:10,896
There's two sides on this fight.

847
01:04:10,896 --> 01:04:17,476
people with brains and people who want to destroy those people with brains. It's a numbers game.

848
01:04:18,316 --> 01:04:23,155
And I think there's more people on the side of good than on the side of bad, which is why

849
01:04:23,155 --> 01:04:29,796
I remain very optimistic on the future. Okay, so I think you've made a compelling case for why

850
01:04:29,796 --> 01:04:35,316
Bitcoin is the opt-out. What I want to discuss a little bit is, so we have a handful of, as we've

851
01:04:35,316 --> 01:04:41,696
describe sort of self-sovereignty services of the Bitcoin way. And you're very intentional about

852
01:04:41,696 --> 01:04:46,576
how we approach these things. Like when we talk about self-custody, it's 100% self-custody.

853
01:04:46,896 --> 01:04:56,115
You hold the keys. You're not KYC, you know, on and on. Why? So I want to do this for sort of each

854
01:04:56,115 --> 01:05:01,016
of the services, not as an ad for the Bitcoin way, but for maybe people to understand why it is that

855
01:05:01,016 --> 01:05:07,856
we approach things the way we do. And we're so hardcore about this. So why, in your view, is 100%

856
01:05:07,856 --> 01:05:13,516
self-custody the only option? Because it's the only way you own your money. There is no dependence

857
01:05:13,516 --> 01:05:18,756
on any third parties. There's no permission to ask. There's no forms to fill. There is no

858
01:05:18,756 --> 01:05:23,655
asshole to call who's going to bother you with 100 million questions as to why you want to use

859
01:05:23,655 --> 01:05:27,175
your money. It's your money. It's your business. If you don't want to share it with anyone,

860
01:05:27,175 --> 01:05:28,196
You don't have to.

861
01:05:28,796 --> 01:05:34,036
But because it's a one-way street, Bitcoin forces you to assume personal responsibility.

862
01:05:34,276 --> 01:05:35,296
There's no refund center.

863
01:05:35,396 --> 01:05:37,496
Like if you screw up and make a mistake, the money's gone.

864
01:05:37,596 --> 01:05:39,476
That's a valid reality.

865
01:05:39,756 --> 01:05:41,776
And yeah, I understand why it petrifies folks.

866
01:05:42,296 --> 01:05:47,155
However, the steps to learning how to do this is not hard.

867
01:05:47,635 --> 01:05:49,155
You literally learn a few steps.

868
01:05:49,236 --> 01:05:51,596
You repeat them a few times to build that muscle memory.

869
01:05:51,996 --> 01:05:56,976
And then you'll be doing it as seamlessly as having a cup of coffee or driving your car.

870
01:05:56,976 --> 01:05:59,956
regardless of the amount of money that's involved,

871
01:06:00,036 --> 01:06:01,196
whether it's a dollar or a billion,

872
01:06:01,316 --> 01:06:02,996
the steps don't change, right?

873
01:06:03,356 --> 01:06:05,216
And so this is very exciting

874
01:06:05,216 --> 01:06:06,696
because for the first time,

875
01:06:06,896 --> 01:06:09,396
people can master these tools

876
01:06:09,396 --> 01:06:11,036
to give them that power,

877
01:06:11,496 --> 01:06:13,036
the control over their money.

878
01:06:13,516 --> 01:06:17,056
And these tools are getting simpler over time.

879
01:06:17,135 --> 01:06:18,236
They're getting more powerful,

880
01:06:18,236 --> 01:06:22,155
more features, more like a user-friendly.

881
01:06:22,796 --> 01:06:24,776
And the more that happens,

882
01:06:24,776 --> 01:06:27,776
the stronger people's confidence gets, right?

883
01:06:27,836 --> 01:06:29,936
Like somebody who's first starting in self-custody,

884
01:06:30,056 --> 01:06:30,655
they're a bit nervous

885
01:06:30,655 --> 01:06:32,336
because they've never seen it before.

886
01:06:32,776 --> 01:06:34,896
But we go through the process once, twice,

887
01:06:35,016 --> 01:06:35,776
three, four times,

888
01:06:35,816 --> 01:06:36,516
and then they're like,

889
01:06:37,276 --> 01:06:38,776
hey, this is not such a big deal

890
01:06:38,776 --> 01:06:39,476
at the end of the day.

891
01:06:39,776 --> 01:06:41,116
And these are all folks

892
01:06:41,116 --> 01:06:42,556
that have never touched a computer

893
01:06:42,556 --> 01:06:45,276
beyond its most basic functions.

894
01:06:45,876 --> 01:06:47,996
And 50s, 60s, well into their 80s,

895
01:06:47,996 --> 01:06:50,856
these are the folks that we deal with

896
01:06:50,856 --> 01:06:51,596
on a daily basis.

897
01:06:52,196 --> 01:06:53,916
Some of the most amazing human beings

898
01:06:53,916 --> 01:06:56,496
I've ever encountered, all of them fully sovereign.

899
01:06:57,796 --> 01:06:59,716
And so every single one of them,

900
01:07:00,256 --> 01:07:02,576
when we ask for feedback, they're like,

901
01:07:03,076 --> 01:07:08,236
wow, man, I didn't realize how incredibly uplifting

902
01:07:08,236 --> 01:07:12,536
and empowering that is knowing that I don't have to worry

903
01:07:12,536 --> 01:07:15,196
about a phone call anymore to use my money.

904
01:07:15,856 --> 01:07:17,316
Like how insane is that, right?

905
01:07:17,655 --> 01:07:19,496
And so you don't understand this

906
01:07:19,496 --> 01:07:22,376
until you've moved to the other side

907
01:07:22,376 --> 01:07:25,956
and you've left that dystopian nightmare behind.

908
01:07:26,135 --> 01:07:27,916
You've upgraded from a shitty product

909
01:07:27,916 --> 01:07:29,416
to a really good one.

910
01:07:30,016 --> 01:07:32,316
And so that's why self-custody matters.

911
01:07:32,655 --> 01:07:33,996
And it's so powerful

912
01:07:33,996 --> 01:07:37,056
that the hardware that you use

913
01:07:37,056 --> 01:07:39,216
in that process doesn't matter.

914
01:07:39,916 --> 01:07:41,056
That's something else

915
01:07:41,056 --> 01:07:42,335
that we make sure people understand.

916
01:07:42,616 --> 01:07:44,456
If your computer blows up,

917
01:07:44,596 --> 01:07:46,276
if your hardware wallet blows up,

918
01:07:46,316 --> 01:07:48,216
if your node stops working,

919
01:07:48,516 --> 01:07:50,436
if everything stops working,

920
01:07:51,076 --> 01:07:52,096
your money is safe.

921
01:07:52,376 --> 01:07:58,856
As long as you've got the moving parts, like your seed words and everything else that's involved in the construction of your wallet,

922
01:07:59,536 --> 01:08:04,376
everything can be rebuilt in under 30 minutes, no matter where you are on this planet.

923
01:08:04,696 --> 01:08:09,536
Even if we're using hardware that is different from what we initially started with.

924
01:08:09,835 --> 01:08:14,276
That is incredibly powerful and why it's also unstoppable.

925
01:08:15,216 --> 01:08:18,416
Right. So this is why self-custody is so important.

926
01:08:18,416 --> 01:08:24,295
And this is why we're so excited when we teach people about this, because I see their reactions.

927
01:08:24,835 --> 01:08:31,916
They're like, whoa, you know, that whoa is priceless because I know they get it now.

928
01:08:32,116 --> 01:08:39,416
They understand what all this talk and pushing and marketing was about is for that whoa moment

929
01:08:39,416 --> 01:08:41,196
when people finally click.

930
01:08:41,496 --> 01:08:43,935
And once it clicks, there's no going back.

931
01:08:44,275 --> 01:08:47,536
I've never met a Bitcoiner who stopped becoming a Bitcoiner.

932
01:08:47,536 --> 01:08:54,576
so not first of all i want to start heading us toward home here with a few of these questions

933
01:08:54,576 --> 01:08:59,716
but not to dilute anything you said that was fantastic but also just as a reminder to the

934
01:08:59,716 --> 01:09:04,435
number go up maxis out there who are pissed off about the current price or whatever if you're not

935
01:09:04,435 --> 01:09:09,096
in self-custody you are part of the problem like if you want to see million dollar bitcoin or

936
01:09:09,096 --> 01:09:13,696
whatever your number is if you're not in self-custody you can't verify that the bitcoin is

937
01:09:13,696 --> 01:09:18,216
real. If you're not in self custody, you don't have all of the sovereignty benefits that we

938
01:09:18,216 --> 01:09:22,315
describe when we talk about Bitcoin. So that's maybe something of an aside, but just a reminder

939
01:09:22,315 --> 01:09:27,216
to the people out there. So Tony, your background is in cybersecurity. So briefly, could you just

940
01:09:27,216 --> 01:09:33,676
talk a little bit about where cyber hygiene, I guess you could say, comes into play on the path

941
01:09:33,676 --> 01:09:39,576
towards self sovereignty and how effective really can a normal person be when it comes to, you know,

942
01:09:39,576 --> 01:09:42,815
opting out of the surveillance of big tech, of big brother, and so forth?

943
01:09:43,295 --> 01:09:44,176
Extremely effective.

944
01:09:44,395 --> 01:09:49,775
Most people can learn, you know, the very basics of cybersecurity very easily.

945
01:09:50,235 --> 01:09:52,136
It's not that people are stupid.

946
01:09:52,275 --> 01:09:54,096
It's because, you know, it's not their thing.

947
01:09:54,216 --> 01:09:54,895
It's not their background.

948
01:09:54,996 --> 01:09:55,735
It's not their specialty.

949
01:09:56,395 --> 01:10:00,456
And, you know, they've had other things to worry about, you know, during their careers

950
01:10:00,456 --> 01:10:02,536
that these things, you know, were not a priority.

951
01:10:02,876 --> 01:10:07,735
But now that they are in charge of their money, well, you know, there are certain things that

952
01:10:07,735 --> 01:10:11,815
you must learn in order to protect yourself from scams.

953
01:10:12,176 --> 01:10:17,235
And I suspect, you know, scams are going to be on the rise, especially these days, you

954
01:10:17,235 --> 01:10:23,956
know, with the existence of AI, the tools to whip up very elaborate phishing scams are

955
01:10:23,956 --> 01:10:24,795
easier than ever.

956
01:10:25,456 --> 01:10:32,216
And so as the value of Bitcoin continues to appreciate, I expect these attacks and these

957
01:10:32,216 --> 01:10:39,295
scams to increase along with it because it's easy money for those who want to take advantage of the

958
01:10:39,295 --> 01:10:45,315
ignorant, right? And so we need more people to become less ignorant so that they're able to,

959
01:10:45,315 --> 01:10:51,275
you know, at least like identify the most commonly seen ones. And of course, these are skills

960
01:10:51,275 --> 01:10:55,516
that continuously evolve. It's not like I said it and forget it. You know, it's something that you

961
01:10:55,516 --> 01:10:59,355
learn and then you fine tune and you learn something new. And we're always pushing out,

962
01:10:59,355 --> 01:11:04,916
education and information around this to everyone that we work with so that they become more adept

963
01:11:04,916 --> 01:11:11,036
at recognizing what's immediately noticeable as a phishing scam. So they don't inadvertently click

964
01:11:11,036 --> 01:11:14,516
on something and put in a seed phrase somewhere where they're not supposed to.

965
01:11:15,096 --> 01:11:20,795
And it's not just for Bitcoin. I mean, we push that education when it comes to protecting your

966
01:11:20,795 --> 01:11:26,596
digital privacy, which is why we push the Google privacy phones now so that that device that you're

967
01:11:26,596 --> 01:11:31,636
paying a thousand plus for no longer acts against you, right? Like it's no longer listening on you,

968
01:11:31,676 --> 01:11:37,275
it's no longer spying on you, it's no longer tracking you. You didn't spend $1,500 to have an

969
01:11:37,275 --> 01:11:42,456
enemy in your hand, right? But this is exactly the reality that we're living in now. And now again,

970
01:11:42,456 --> 01:11:47,516
there are options to opt out. But because it comes from the world of tech, most people have

971
01:11:47,516 --> 01:11:52,476
never heard of it, they don't even know these options exist. Our role here as educator is to

972
01:11:52,476 --> 01:11:57,235
bring awareness to all of this and to show you how to use them so that you don't have to spend

973
01:11:57,235 --> 01:12:03,976
months researching it, maybe getting it right. We will get it flawlessly accurate on the first go

974
01:12:03,976 --> 01:12:10,956
and train you how to use it so that your energy now is just spent on getting comfortable with that

975
01:12:10,956 --> 01:12:15,376
with that tech. And so you have this to protect your money, then you have this to protect your

976
01:12:15,376 --> 01:12:22,716
digital privacy already as an individual living in a digital world, you are way more, you know,

977
01:12:22,835 --> 01:12:29,775
equipped to navigate the insanity that is, you know, surrounding us on a weekly basis. And then,

978
01:12:29,876 --> 01:12:34,916
of course, the last piece of the puzzle is your jurisdictional sovereignty. If you're living in a

979
01:12:34,916 --> 01:12:41,376
country where your government is a complete nightmare to deal with, you're not stuck. Pack up,

980
01:12:41,376 --> 01:12:48,315
leave there are many options that want you believe me surround yourself by like-minded individuals

981
01:12:48,315 --> 01:12:55,315
your entire life whether you have kids or not upgrades almost as significantly as the value

982
01:12:55,315 --> 01:13:04,735
of your bitcoin held in self-custody i think you covered all of that very nicely so i one of my

983
01:13:04,735 --> 01:13:12,096
sort of passionate talking points these days, and yours as well, we get sick of the noise and

984
01:13:12,096 --> 01:13:20,435
we're trying to be the signal in a very crowded world of talking heads. I always fear that new

985
01:13:20,435 --> 01:13:24,516
Bitcoiners are going to come along and they think that being a Bitcoiner means you buy strategy

986
01:13:24,516 --> 01:13:33,156
stock or you use Coinbase to buy your coins and they're the custodian now the treasury

987
01:13:33,156 --> 01:13:40,735
Rico's trust, so it must be safe there. What would your, if you were to give some of your wisdom to

988
01:13:40,735 --> 01:13:45,395
a new Bitcoin or someone who's like tuning in for the first time, maybe some, a lot of what we've

989
01:13:45,395 --> 01:13:49,016
talked about up to this point has been over their heads. They're not there yet, but you're just

990
01:13:49,016 --> 01:13:54,036
talking to someone new. What advice would you give them to anyone just starting down the rabbit hole

991
01:13:54,036 --> 01:13:59,795
today? The basic thing that everyone should understand is that Bitcoin is money. It's nothing

992
01:13:59,795 --> 01:14:04,996
else other than sound money that no living soul can corrupt anymore. And you don't need anybody's

993
01:14:04,996 --> 01:14:10,216
permission to use it. Not a government, not a bank, no one. You just need to learn what it is, learn how

994
01:14:10,216 --> 01:14:15,716
to use it and treat it as money. It's not a speculation. You're not buying a stock and a

995
01:14:15,716 --> 01:14:21,235
share to sell it for more dollars or euros. Bitcoin is the money itself. And I hear a lot of the

996
01:14:21,235 --> 01:14:26,315
arguments, but I can't buy anything with it. I'm like, it depends where you are currently. Like,

997
01:14:26,315 --> 01:14:28,596
It's such a new concept, Bitcoin.

998
01:14:28,695 --> 01:14:37,795
It's only been around for 17 years that, you know, you cannot expect it to be as, you know, as everywhere, as something's been around for over 100 years.

999
01:14:38,216 --> 01:14:43,695
However, there are thousands more merchants accepting Bitcoin as money every single day.

1000
01:14:43,695 --> 01:14:53,136
I mean, in the U.S. alone, not that long ago, Square unlocked 4 million merchants to start accepting Bitcoin literally at a click of a button.

1001
01:14:53,136 --> 01:14:59,275
as we start seeing more of these of these events happen this is where you're going to start seeing

1002
01:14:59,275 --> 01:15:04,656
like that boom right but it depends also where you live there are places around the world where

1003
01:15:04,656 --> 01:15:10,216
there are circular economies you know like almost everywhere so those living on a bitcoin like on a

1004
01:15:10,216 --> 01:15:15,456
pure bitcoin standard they don't think about fiat i mean we live on a bitcoin standard and the amount

1005
01:15:15,456 --> 01:15:21,576
of fiat bills that we have to pay have gone down significantly since the last three and a half years

1006
01:15:21,576 --> 01:15:26,536
right? And the way we think about fiat is that if you have a bill to pay, just pay it

1007
01:15:26,536 --> 01:15:30,756
and then keep the rest in Bitcoin and just don't think about the fiat world anymore.

1008
01:15:31,216 --> 01:15:37,216
Move forward and try to find other people to complete your life with everything that you need

1009
01:15:37,216 --> 01:15:42,376
in Bitcoin. Whether it's a doctor, whether it's a mechanic, whether it's a whatever it is that

1010
01:15:42,376 --> 01:15:47,616
you need, there are Bitcoiners out there that will fill that gap for you. Whether it's local

1011
01:15:47,616 --> 01:15:53,756
or remote, they exist and hundreds and thousands of more of them are popping up every single day.

1012
01:15:54,076 --> 01:15:59,516
So we will get to the point where it's like down the street from you, everybody accepts Bitcoin.

1013
01:15:59,716 --> 01:16:04,775
But that's not going to happen overnight, at least not in the bigger cities. That's going to be a

1014
01:16:04,775 --> 01:16:10,775
slower process. But don't let that discourage you or keep you trapped into the bad habits

1015
01:16:10,775 --> 01:16:17,376
of thinking that you need to trust the custodian to protect your Bitcoin. You absolutely do not

1016
01:16:17,376 --> 01:16:24,076
need to trust anyone and should not trust anyone other than yourself when it comes to the world's

1017
01:16:24,076 --> 01:16:31,916
most scarcest asset, which is your Bitcoin in your 100% of custody, which is why we never recommend

1018
01:16:31,916 --> 01:16:38,016
folks speculate or take any unnecessary counterparty risk with their Bitcoin. I'm not a fan about

1019
01:16:38,016 --> 01:16:42,476
borrowing against your Bitcoin. I know people are like, yeah, but I need money. If you're going to

1020
01:16:42,476 --> 01:16:48,295
do it, first of all, make sure you read the fine print 17 times so you know exactly what you're

1021
01:16:48,295 --> 01:16:55,756
signing up for. And make sure you're really good at math. Because that world, even though the people

1022
01:16:55,756 --> 01:17:01,496
behind the project, maybe the best individuals, it's nothing against them personally. But they

1023
01:17:01,496 --> 01:17:09,256
are playing by rules that they do not control. And I always refer back to that recent example

1024
01:17:09,256 --> 01:17:11,376
where Bitcoin was at $126K

1025
01:17:11,376 --> 01:17:14,435
and then went down to about $102K in two hours.

1026
01:17:15,636 --> 01:17:17,576
Anybody leveraging Bitcoin,

1027
01:17:17,935 --> 01:17:19,256
borrowing against their Bitcoin

1028
01:17:19,256 --> 01:17:21,795
and didn't have backup collateral

1029
01:17:21,795 --> 01:17:24,556
because, you know, at such a big drop,

1030
01:17:25,016 --> 01:17:26,735
you have to provide to keep your loan,

1031
01:17:27,516 --> 01:17:28,695
they lost their Bitcoin.

1032
01:17:29,695 --> 01:17:32,156
How many people spoke about this publicly?

1033
01:17:33,156 --> 01:17:34,775
I didn't hear any stories.

1034
01:17:35,136 --> 01:17:38,435
Does that mean they didn't happen?

1035
01:17:38,916 --> 01:17:40,096
Absolutely, they happened.

1036
01:17:40,235 --> 01:17:41,716
And they will continue to happen.

1037
01:17:41,996 --> 01:17:44,616
Because again, that rigged chessboard,

1038
01:17:44,616 --> 01:17:50,795
these services are the carrots that the legacy system dangles to the masses

1039
01:17:50,795 --> 01:17:54,496
to take advantage of their ignorance, right?

1040
01:17:54,556 --> 01:17:59,956
Because people are accustomed to somebody else doing the heavy lifting for them.

1041
01:18:00,256 --> 01:18:04,935
And this is how they separate ignorant people from their Bitcoin.

1042
01:18:05,676 --> 01:18:07,775
You will see plenty more of these services.

1043
01:18:08,435 --> 01:18:12,775
Low fees, no taxes, incentives, blah, blah, blah.

1044
01:18:12,935 --> 01:18:14,315
Just put your Bitcoin with us.

1045
01:18:15,176 --> 01:18:17,355
They don't care about what they offer you.

1046
01:18:17,496 --> 01:18:21,795
They care about taking away your ability to self-custody.

1047
01:18:22,275 --> 01:18:24,355
Because that's what gives you power.

1048
01:18:24,716 --> 01:18:28,096
And the more people have that power, the less they do.

1049
01:18:28,876 --> 01:18:32,935
And they don't believe regular plebs are worthy of that power.

1050
01:18:32,935 --> 01:18:38,916
because you were put on this planet to be a slave to these delusional people

1051
01:18:38,916 --> 01:18:40,976
that believe they own the world, right?

1052
01:18:41,156 --> 01:18:44,835
And so if you don't want to be that sucker at the table,

1053
01:18:45,096 --> 01:18:48,176
then you need to learn the skills to protect yourself.

1054
01:18:48,275 --> 01:18:50,935
And once you do, it's game over, man.

1055
01:18:51,295 --> 01:18:52,815
The power comes back with you.

1056
01:18:52,976 --> 01:18:55,295
You take that knowledge, you pass it along to your kids.

1057
01:18:55,676 --> 01:18:57,676
Hopefully they pass it along to their kids.

1058
01:18:57,676 --> 01:19:00,596
And that ripple effect carries on forever.

1059
01:19:00,596 --> 01:19:10,775
And given enough time, everybody will be doing this because it's the only logical step for anyone with self-worth to apply.

1060
01:19:12,676 --> 01:19:13,536
Well said.

1061
01:19:13,775 --> 01:19:17,076
All righty, Tony, this brings us to the last question, the one I ask everyone.

1062
01:19:17,496 --> 01:19:20,036
What is an unpopular opinion that you have?

1063
01:19:20,096 --> 01:19:22,596
And you get bonus points if you piss off some Bitcoiners with it.

1064
01:19:23,616 --> 01:19:27,516
Anyone still trusting a third party with their money will lose it at some point.

1065
01:19:27,516 --> 01:19:34,376
yeah there's a lot that's an unpopular one i mean i guess for a lot of people listening to this show

1066
01:19:34,376 --> 01:19:40,476
hopefully we've we've resonated but i would say the average bitcoiner would say conspiracy theorist

1067
01:19:40,476 --> 01:19:47,176
you're crazy do you want to elaborate on on why you feel that way well because again it's all part

1068
01:19:47,176 --> 01:19:52,476
of that chessboard that is controlled by people with an infinite amount of resources that can

1069
01:19:52,476 --> 01:19:58,636
manipulate it at any given point in time and you have zero control over this. And so why put

1070
01:19:58,636 --> 01:20:05,735
yourself at negative odds when you don't have to? It's the path that's harder to take, I understand.

1071
01:20:06,036 --> 01:20:15,056
I mean, when I first got into Bitcoin, my odds of success were like a 0.0001. But I knew this was

1072
01:20:15,056 --> 01:20:22,256
the right path to take because if I didn't take it, I'd be right back where I was in the position

1073
01:20:22,256 --> 01:20:25,835
to get looked up again in the same way they did in 2019.

1074
01:20:25,835 --> 01:20:29,195
And that was not an option that I was willing to take anymore.

1075
01:20:29,676 --> 01:20:33,176
So it takes doing the work, the hard work initially,

1076
01:20:33,176 --> 01:20:36,895
but believe me, it gets very easy as time progresses.

1077
01:20:37,136 --> 01:20:39,235
The more confidence you build in yourself,

1078
01:20:39,355 --> 01:20:40,695
the more skills you learn,

1079
01:20:41,435 --> 01:20:45,576
the more dangerous you become in the eyes who hate you.

1080
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I think that is well said and a great place to wrap up.

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Tony, I can't believe we have just completed episode 100.

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Thank you so much for making time.

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Do you want to tell people where they can find you, learn more about the Bitcoin Way, anything else?

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Absolutely, guys.

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I'm always active on social media.

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On X, it's V4BTC.

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And of course, the Bitcoin Way underscore handle is the company's account.

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Reach out whenever you want.

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You know, like my DMs are always open at the Bitcoin Way.

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We offer a complimentary 30-minute call for anyone.

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There's no obligation.

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just call, say hi, ask questions, you know, just whatever it is that you're interested in, let us

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know. And if it's in our, you know, power to assist, you know, you can, you can be assured that we will

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go out of our way to do so. And hopefully we meet, you know, a lot more folks. I mean, part of, like,

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one of the most rewarding things in this journey for me is just the opportunity to meet folks in

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person. You know, like everybody that signs up for Plan B, for example, we meet you in person

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at that location.

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So it's been incredibly rewarding

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from a humane perspective, right?

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Like to build these new friendships

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with people that are aligned in so many ways

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that if it was not for Bitcoin,

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our paths would have never crossed.

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And I think this is something

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that a lot of people will find absolutely priceless

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and as like a serious upgrade

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to the qualities of their lives.

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Yeah, I couldn't agree anymore with that.

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But it's been like working, getting to work with this team for me personally has been such a blessing.

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And then you go to conferences and you meet a bunch of normal people like yourself who are just on the same journey, learning the same but different things.

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And it's it's so much fun. So, Tony, thank you for allowing me to be a part of this journey with you.

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Thank you for taking time to chat. I think this is incredibly going to be an incredibly valuable resource for people.

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So look forward to chatting with you again soon. But you take care, brother.

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Absolutely.

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Likewise, Michael.

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Talk soon, man.

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Cheers.

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And that's a wrap.

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Again, hope you enjoyed my conversation with Tony.

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I know I love talking with him every time, and I'm very fortunate to get to do that all

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throughout the week.

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But hope this was a good one for you to listen to.

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Of course, go follow him at B4BTC on Twitter, and you can do the same thing for The Bitcoin

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Way while you're there at TheBitcoinWay underscore.

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Also, if you need to take proper 100% self-custody of your Bitcoin, if you want to protect your

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devices, set up a privacy phone, or you want a plan B, go over to the bitcoinway.com slash podcast.

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You can schedule a free 30 minute consult with a member of our team. We'll walk you through all

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things that we do, how we help, why we do it the way we do it. Again, that is thebitcoinway.com

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slash podcast. Until next time, stay safe, stay sovereign, and remember the yield on Bitcoin is

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freedom.